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Wrong. You’re just referencing different claims now rather than acknowledging and engaging with the ones which you now know are logically inconsistent
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 07:53 PM
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>No, what needs to happen is that instead of women getting all of their needs met from the government, they need to get it from the man they marry instead, and the mans assests have to be protected in a no fault divorce situation in order to make marriage a good safe deal for men as well. >This way women and men will pair up more often again and bring back the birthrates to stable numbers as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 07:36 PM
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I’m just repeating what you said lol and you’re unable to reconcile the logical inconsistency. And now you’re just making things up with no evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 07:10 PM
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You claimed people are no longer having children because of women receiving government assistance, yet most women receiving government assistance have children.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 06:52 PM
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Women receive more government assistance because they’re caring for children. Which contradicts your idea that the falling birth rate is due to government assistance. The government assistance exists precisely because there are children
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 05:39 PM
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Still haven’t provided a single study…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 09:09 PM
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You keep saying “men are more capable” is a proven fact, but none of the evidence you’re giving actually supports that claim. Yes, men on average work more paid hours and overtime, and men take more dangerous jobs. Men also have greater strength. None of that demonstrates that men are innately better at most jobs. That would require providing evidence that men systematically outperform women across most occupations. You haven’t provided that evidence. And “men dominate STEM” doesn’t establish it…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 08:31 PM
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The idea that men are more capable and therefore that’s why they earn more isn’t supported by evidence. Obviously, men are stronger than women, but jobs that rely on strength don’t tend to be the highest paid. The types of jobs pursued, historical trends, etc all have an impact, but if we look at performance within jobs across gender, there’s no evidence men are inherently better: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0149206310374774? You claiming otherwise seems like more of a personal desi…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 07:24 PM
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Harder jobs aren’t necessarily associated with more money. And people aren’t always earning more because of “superior abilities”. There’s a lot that goes into it. For instance, there are some cushy jobs which are way easier and overpaid compared to some lower paying physically challenging blue collar jobs. And the idea that if one person is earning more in a relationship, the other person has to “repay” them in some way is…something. It would be near impossible to have a healthy relationship wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 05:39 PM
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Men do earn more on average so it makes sense if they’re paying more costs. But generally both people work and contribute to finances these days, it’s not the man providing everything, and alimony isn’t really a thing anymore. Or are you talking about child support? I see things split evenly among most people in my circle, but most of the women I know have high paying jobs so that’s probably why. I also don’t know what you mean by women not wanting an equal say
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 04:41 PM
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Many couples like the latter do exist, in my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 04:12 PM
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The rhetoric from both sides can be pretty nasty. I don’t think one side is more to blame.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 02:37 PM
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As you say, no group can claim credit for upholding society. Likewise, you can’t claim we don’t need a group either. Sure, individually, no one needs a boyfriend or girlfriend, but societally you need both genders
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 01:47 PM
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I’m assuming you don’t mean it’s true that men can collectively claim credit for upholding society (even when they make no related contributions) but the idea that “men uphold society” is true. Women were constrained in how they could contribute in previous years, but contributed regardless. Healthcare, labor, raising future generations. And now there are female dominated jobs like teaching and healthcare. And the conclusion doesn’t follow. Society is too interdependent. It’s like saying farmers…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 12:56 AM
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My point is that when it’s a man who doesn’t even work in those industries claims women survive off the work of men (as though all men, collectively, are upholding society) it feels as though they’re claiming some sort of credit (and sometimes, they explicitly do, using language like “we built society, etc”) just for being a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 10:36 PM
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I was mostly thinking of men in the US who claim things like women shouldn’t be able to vote because they haven’t registered for the draft and treat it as though it’s a life disrupting event. I do think the draft should be abolished or women should also be required to register and can agree there may be some level of anxiety tied to it. But what I’m getting is that if you haven’t actually served, you can’t act as though registering for the draft is at all comparable
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 10:22 PM
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It always seems like men making these arguments are never the ones doing this type of labor intensive work. Men who are loudest about the draft have also often never served. Stolen valor, in my opinion
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 08:44 PM
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From what I can tell, they're controlling for the baseline difference in life expectancy between men and women rather than treating the difference as inequality. Statistically, that makes sense. It’s addressing whether a country deviates from the baseline, not about whether men and women have the same life expectancies. Otherwise, every country would be identified as unequal because women tend to live longer on average. We can take steps to help address the difference in lifespan (like encouragi…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 04:03 PM
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Why? Wage isn’t biological. Lifespan is, in contrast, somewhat inherently biologically influenced, a fact you refuse to engage with. In fact, you’ve refused to engage with or present any evidence for your own claims.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 05:57 AM
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These factors contribute, but are not the driving forces as concluded by researchers. I’ve been using data to inform my understanding: https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/why-men-often-die-earlier-than-women-201602199137 https://www.who.int/news/item/04-04-2019-uneven-access-to-health-services-drives-life-expectancy-gaps-who? Wealthier countries not currently engaged in war still have women living longer on average. And homelessness is such a small part of the population, that it doesn’t really …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 11:51 PM
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Because they’re not the primary reason driving the disparity. It’s biological factors, which are compounded by higher risk taking behavior tendencies, less of a tendency to seek medical care as compared to women, etc. homelessness and war are certainly more associated with male mortality than female mortality, but ultimately it’s a biological difference driving the gap. This effect is even observed in other species like birds. We can do things to address it, but it’s a similar claim to claiming …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 09:37 PM
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Can you explain more clearly what you’re trying to say? Are you saying by leaving this out they’re creating a biased index? That doesn’t make sense. We both agree basic biological differences have nothing to do with equity or equality
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 08:42 PM
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I do agree it is a basic biological difference. It’s not “oppression” that men are bigger than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 07:59 PM
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That’s not evidence lol
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 07:37 PM
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Women live longer because of basic biological reasons, such as having more beneficial protective hormones. It’s not “oppression”.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 07:36 PM
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I consider myself a feminist, but the word has lost all meaning. Just because I support equality does not mean I automatically want men to fail or women to be superior. Honestly, almost not worth discussing with anyone because the terms have lost all meaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 05:00 AM
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I consider myself a feminist, but the word has lost all meaning. Just because I support equality does not mean I automatically want men to fail or women to be superior. Honestly, almost not worth discussing with anyone encase the terms have lost all meaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 05:00 AM
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This is the kind of conversation where the abstract isn’t helpful. Actual examples are needed to determine what is a “lived experience” vs “fucked up shit”
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:56 PM
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And you think you’re not affected by the “nasty figures” in office?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 06:20 AM
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That does not seem to reflect reality at all. What about men who get together for whisky tasting? COD? Magic the gathering? All of these things exist. Your insistence men only bond over work makes me think you have limited experience socializing
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 06:18 AM
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You love penises
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 04:47 AM
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I just commented that those just sound like bad mothers lol. It kind of seems like common sense for both the father and mother to put their children first and above anyone else
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 03:53 PM
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I would argue it’s not about being in a top percentage of men. Women who prioritize anyone over their children aren’t good mothers
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 03:52 PM
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This is a good example of men obsessing over and romanticizing penises more than women
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 03:44 PM
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I was just about to comment that. Scenario 2 sounds like a fantasy, “craving” something with only one person. If you like a sexual act, you like it. If you don’t, you don’t. Maybe one partner is better than another at it, but that seems like something time and practice would take care of if you like the person
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 03:41 PM
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What’s the “reckoning”? Donald trump?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 11:17 PM
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It’s almost like the gender and identity wars are a distraction from the .001 percent fucking everyone else over
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 10:27 PM
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Yes, less intelligent people do generally have more children and those children typically have worse outcomes (lower educational attainment, lower income, worse health) than children with more intelligent parents. But it’s not that black and white. More intelligent people are also having children, as are average people. My ultimate point is: when men clam they don’t care about anything but looks, the implication is they don’t care if their children are dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 04:07 PM
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It depends on what you value. Personally, I’m glad I’m with someone who is both smart and good looking. I don’t think I would enjoy being with someone who wasn’t intelligent Also, intelligence predicts a lot of life outcomes like length of life, income, etc. there’s more to life than just dating
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 03:05 PM
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Well, yes. When I’m attracted to my husband it doesn’t come from a place of “your ability to do arithmetic is so instantaneous” but “your face is hot”. But having a sharp mind is a prerequisite for me, although not for everyone. To each their own. My point is, the logical conclusion of making your decisions about whether to pursue someone on looks alone means that you’re fine with eventually having dumb children.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 06:04 AM
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Do you want children?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 05:45 AM
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Money doesn’t equate attraction
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 05:33 AM
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I don’t have a dog in this fight. I have a husband and he likes me for whatever reasons he likes me. But I have to ask - when men insist they don’t care about a women’s career and they’d be fine with a cashier from Wendy’s (a widespread argument, although maybe not yours) as long as she is hot - the implication is they don’t care if their partner is dumb. If their children are dumb. Do they realize they’re implying that most men don’t care if they have smart children? They’re fine with dumb kids…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 05:28 AM
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May or may not be quid pro quo sexual harassment
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 07:15 AM
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Yeah, for some reason my spidey senses are tingling. I don’t think he’s entirely real. Sort of a “my girlfriend lives in Canada”
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 12:53 AM
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Based on the study, 8% of respondents self-reported that they had been falsely accused of some form of abuse. Men reported this at higher rates than women (11% vs 6%). Many accusations were reported to occur during custody disputes (27%). So what we can conclude: many adults believe they were falsely accused, and men report this more often than women (although this study provides no police reports to provide more objective support for the claims, it’s ultimately self report). 20 million is a cra…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 06:01 AM
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Can you provide some sources for your well documented evidence?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 06:47 PM
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How does the data you referenced show women are more likely to shame over circumcision? That’s not what the linked study shows, it makes no gender comparison
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 06:37 PM
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By majority, you mean 51%. If you want change, you need to identify the cause. This is a societal issue, not women driven
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 06:32 PM
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I mean, it’s well known in the psychology literature that they’re two distinct constructs. Nowhere in the article you yourself linked does it say otherwise? And did you read the different definitions and items I shared? They’re quite distinct
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 09:15 PM
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I know…which is why I know people have conducted studies differentiating agreeableness from emotional intelligence. They’re related but distinct. Have you looked at the actual measures? They’re conceptually distinct and also measured differently. Example Agreeableness items: “Is helpful and unselfish with others.” “Is generally trusting.” “Is considerate and kind to almost everyone.” “Likes to cooperate with others Example EI items: “I know when to speak about my personal problems to others.” “I…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 08:40 PM
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Disagree. It’s not just blindly agreeing with people. What I see as “emotionally intelligent” people are people who don’t obliviously make insensitive comments to other, can immediately tell if someone isn’t feeling well/is upset, asks insightful questions when discussing emotional topics, and is also aware of their own emotions. I’ve seen a large range in both women and men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 05:35 PM
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Both genders prefer looks first
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 05:32 PM
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Are you familiar with the concept of bots?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 08:10 AM
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Bold claim when you come with zero sources of your own and emotionally driven ad hominems. Woman commit more infanticide, yes. I would assume due to post partum psychosis. Men commit more filicide. As it shows in my source and is a robust finding across studies
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 05:08 PM
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Just because you’re presenting some cherry picked data, let’s balance it out https://news.brown.edu/articles/2014/02/filicide Among offenders, while fathers were about equally likely to kill an infant, they were more likely to be the alleged murderer of children older than a year, especially when the children were adults (fathers were the offenders in 78.3 percent of those cases). Overall, fathers were the accused murderer 57.4 percent of the time. And for the more severe forms of violence - Acc…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 01:35 AM
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And men aren’t?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 01:24 AM
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So your argument is essentially anyone who makes less and contributes less money in taxes owes something to the rest of society (the rich). If I pay more in taxes than you - does that entitle me to something from you?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 01:05 AM
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Equating antidepressant usage to unhappiness is backwards. If anything, it means people are actually more likely to seek out the help they need to feel better. This is the same line of thinking that leads people to ask “what are you depressed about?,” assuming depression just means you’re really sad about something. That’s generally not what depression is. And chronic depression (just generally being depressed for no reason due to chemical issues) isn’t the only reason people go on antidepressan…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 12:42 AM
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Raising kids on minimum wage sounds miserable
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 07:03 AM
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Occam’s Razor isn’t “pick the explanation you personally prefer.” It’s the explanation that requires the fewest unsupported assumptions. The assumption that children only fail to report abuse when it’s done by people they know is not supported by evidence and it contradicts the actual research available to us. There’s a wide body of evidence showing victims of sexual abuse, under different circumstances, are reluctant to report.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 02:45 AM
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And your response is inconsistent with research regarding how victims of rape and abuse actually behave
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 02:34 AM
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Actually, if you know anything about the behavior of people who have experienced sexual trauma, it’s not uncommon for them not to disclose. And it doesn’t even sound like she willingly disclosed, her mother took her to the hospital because she became sick, vomiting frequently, and that was how they found out This report has a fairly comprehensive literature review on why or why not children victims of abuse choose to disclose: https://www.d2l.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/Child-Sexual-Abuse-Dis…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 02:23 AM
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And you’ve so very logically concluded they lie how?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 01:43 AM
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Thank you, I will. Also, interesting you called 13 year olds “women” in your previous comment
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 12:53 AM
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Claim I responded to: There is not a single state that doesn’t allow for abortion when a woman is raped. You are lying through your teeth.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 12:45 AM
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I never said it was systemic. In fact, this isn’t even what I was arguing originally. I was just pointing out abortion isn’t even legal in all of the US so a lot of the discussion in this thread is moot. But yeah, some women have been raped - children even - and have been forced to carry it to term.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 12:14 AM
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You’re not even engaging with my argument logically.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 11:36 PM
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I never said it was systemic. In fact, this isn’t even what I was arguing originally. I was just pointing out abortion isn’t even legal in all of the US so a lot of the discussion in this thread is moot. But yeah, some women have been raped - children even - and have been forced to carry it to term. Even a few cases is too many. Your complete lack of empathy and responses tell me you’re not worth engaging with further. You seem miserable. Go for a walk and have a juice or something
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 11:33 PM
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https://abcnews.go.com/US/13-year-rape-victim-baby-amid-confusion-states/story?id=108351812 https://www.vice.com/en/article/a-year-without-roe-here-are-the-stories-of-people-denied-abortions/?utm_source=chatgpt.com
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 11:09 PM
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So I missed the mention of rape above. A lot of discussions seemed to miss the fact that you can’t have abortions in all states so a lot of this is a moot point. That aside, apparently Louisiana and Idaho make no exceptions for rape or incest. But in the majority of states they do allow exceptions, thankfully
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 10:25 PM
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Not in a lot of places in the US
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 08:34 AM
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Ad hominem
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 06:58 AM
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But you said women consider 50% of men unattractive because of their height. That’s what I was referring to. People exaggerate on here how difficult it is for men to be considered attractive or get a partner. It’s difficult for many men, sure, but this self-defeating “50%” of men are filtered out by default isn’t true or helpful
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 09:01 PM
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You’re just making up numbers so it’s hard to take this discussion seriously
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 07:39 PM
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Not a cope, same is true for men. Especially if we’re viewing plastic surgery as a viable option for most people. Go to the gym and surgically fix whatever’s “wrong” with your face, boom, women. In all seriousness, i think both genders place an equivalent amount of weight on attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 05:46 PM
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I don’t know about that. Men want skinny women with pretty faces.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 04:13 PM
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So? Men also primarily only focus on attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 03:54 AM
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Women already do reward men with significant accomplishments. If you want a transactional relationship, nothing’s stopping you from getting a sugar baby
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 02:43 AM
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Yeah. And that’s true now too, but not working out the way you’ve claimed
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 08:50 PM
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As the economy is getting worse, people just stop having children or delay having children. People move in with family. They wouldn’t strategically decide to lower their expectations because they’re worried about retirement. A lot of people already don’t really have a good shot at retirement. It might make women even more selective, filtering out men who don’t make above a certain threshold. This just wouldn’t work the way you think it would. Short of taking away their rights, women aren’t going…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 04:23 PM
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So over the age of 65? Because that’s the demographic you’d be hurting
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 04:14 PM
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This wouldn’t make the type of woman you’re likely imagining more available to date. It would mostly impact the disabled, elderly, veterans, and children
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 04:09 PM
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Reread your response. Maybe you meant to respond to someone else
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 06:52 PM
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You keep everyone at arm’s length except your significant other? And make a point of publicly declaring to your friends they’re not relationship material?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 06:06 PM
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You have to be attracted to people to be their friend? Does this apply to same sex friendships too?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 01:53 AM
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No, they didn’t convert to patriarchal societies. They’re still matrilineal. And I already addressed why I personally think there are fewer matriarchal societies than patriarchal, and it’s not innate leadership capacity
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 03:46 PM
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Because people post fake stories to farm engagement or for their own amusement or whatever. You can safely assume the majority of stories on Reddit are fake
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 01:13 AM
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They’re not extinct. The two I listed still exist
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 11:51 PM
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Except there are (the Mosuo, the Minangkabau). Also going to point out women didn’t really have the choice of being “more dominant” when society was being structured due to lesser physical strength
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 11:18 PM
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lol “common sense.” You’re kind of proving OP’s point. The idea is so culturally engrained you can’t even step back for a second to critically analyze it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 10:43 PM
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Can you provide sources?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 12:02 AM
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That’s how it starts
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 04:30 PM
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It does radicalize people, which leads to cases like Elliot Rodger
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 06:59 AM
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Women experience the same thing. No idea about the relative intensity, but I’m always surprised when people seem to think only men experience this phenomenon https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/0092623X.2024.2346165
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 07:39 PM
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That’s not a valid source, it’s anecdotal.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 07:33 PM
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Do you know what the “evidence is mixed” means? You have to view the full wealth of data available, not just the studies that support your claim. It’s also a small difference and you’re still ignoring the idea of frequencies Let’s just pretend for a second your claim that men are noticeably and demonstrably smarter than women is true. That still doesn’t mean you’re any smarter than the average woman. If the variability hypothesis is true, the reality is the average man is just as likely to be an…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 08:46 PM
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It’s obvious you’re a troll, but at least be a well informed one. There’s always a bit of irony about the kind of person who tries to make this argument
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 08:34 PM
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And the average difference, for the studies that find it - evidence is mixed - is very small. And you’re ignoring the implications of the distributions, if the variability hypothesis is true
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 08:24 PM
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That’s not what actual empirical evidence says. Intelligence researchers still debate it. What I think you’re trying to say is that the average woman is dumber than the average man, but there’s no evidence for that. There is some evidence that there’s more variability in male IQ. There are more men at the top of the curve and the bottom for certain tests (although not all - men tend to do better at mathematic tests, women at verbal tests), but that doesn’t mean there aren’t any women at the bott…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 08:14 PM
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You have a stunted, uninformed view of gender-based intelligence differences. Speak for yourself, S0yslut.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 07:15 PM
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I don’t know that that’s true. It’s more like people within a certain socioeconomic status associate with people in the same socioeconomic status. Some of the highest paying jobs demand far less hours and attention than lower paying jobs (which can be physically taxing and also demand a lot of hours)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 12:19 AM
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It’s the difference between absolute numbers (frequencies) and percentages
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 12:13 AM
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Reciprocal violence is half of domestic violence. The other half is non reciprocal so you’re missing the full story
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 12:10 AM
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None of the studies you posted support your premise. Anecdotally, I completely disagree. The best sexual partners are ones who can make you orgasm.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 03:37 AM
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The higher life expectancy argument is dumb. It’s not society causing it, it’s due to biological factors and personal choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 08:44 PM
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No, it’s not an assumption that it’s a net negative for them. The name itself includes the word “benevolent.” And it’s specifically about sexism women experience, men experience their own forms of sexism and issues related to the opposite side of the spectrum in terms of gender expectations. Both sides of the same coin. It’s like asking why doesn’t breast cancer awareness talk about prostrate cancer awareness - because although both important, they’re different topics
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 10:49 PM
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Has it happened to you? I can see it happening in high school, but it seems like something that goes away in your 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 01:11 AM
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Generally, no they’re not
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 11:01 PM
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I don’t think so. It depends on how it happens. Maybe some women do, but I think most women are flattered if someone they’re not interested in expresses interest. Same for men. But there’s a difference between a polite approach vs. catcalling, the latter of which falls into objectification territory. It’s not black or white. But honestly, a lot of your complaint seems to be that women don’t always reciprocate sexual interest
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 04:42 PM
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Do people commonly call that objectification? Just sounds like disinterest or rejection. What is she supposed to do instead?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 04:18 PM
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What real world circumstances would it not be harassment? What does “looking with sexual desire” mean? Staring at some random women’s tits on the subway?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 05:58 AM
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So harassing women is male sexuality? I don’t agree with that
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 05:07 AM
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That would be harassment
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 05:03 AM
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In what situations would she not want it? That sounds more like harassment than objectification
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 04:50 AM
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What’s the context though? Is it some random guy on the bus? Her boyfriend? And how is the looking at with sexual desire being expressed? Context matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 04:00 AM
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Do you have specific examples of this? I think you’re missing some nuance
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 07:22 AM
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What parts of “male sexuality” are feminism and purity culture calling degrading?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 04:23 AM
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You’re free to interpret it however you wish. But it’s not an assumption that infantilizing women has negative outcomes for them. For instance, imagine giving women less challenging work assignments than men because you’re protecting them - and then they don’t get the same experience and fail to advance at the same rate. I seem to remember some research along those lines.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 06:00 AM
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And they shouldn’t be expected to
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 12:59 AM
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Benevolent sexism is things like holding the door, “ladies first,” etc. it’s not “trade offs in equality, rights, and freedoms, being controlled by a man.” And you’re not getting a straight answer on final devision making because it’s almost never black and white like that in real life. Whoever cares more about the issue gets to make the decision in my relationship or it’s a compromise.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 09:37 PM
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No, in research benevolent sexism is presented as bad for women (because they’re infantilized) and men (because they’re unnecessarily putting women first, which does accrue women some benefits even if the overall sentiment is condescending). Not as only disadvantageous for women
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 09:37 PM
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They can, though. It’s difficult and not without error, but I’m always prioritizing facts and evidence over feelings
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 03:44 PM
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If you’re making some sort of point, yes, provide a source. But whatever point you’re making seems irrelevant to my original complaint: some random book isn’t a good supporting source.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 07:34 AM
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No statistics were provided
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 07:03 AM
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You just made up arguments to respond to rather than addressing what I said. Just link a study.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 06:58 AM
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N = 1, and sensationalist enough to be published at that
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 06:37 AM
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We’re just going in circles. No matter whose “fault” it is, society has to pay for it
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 02:18 AM
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It’s naive to think that’s what would happen. There would just be worse outcomes for the disabled, impoverished, and the children born to those circumstances. Not a magical shaming culture that would fix all of the problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 11:07 PM
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It’s not about the individual. Having children that grow into productive members of society ultimately benefits everyone more than uneducated impoverished children growing into uneducated impoverished adults
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 06:20 PM
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Fuck them kids, I guess
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 05:26 PM
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Women’s health is less understood and there’s evidence that it’s taken less seriously, as one minor example https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/women-and-pain-disparities-in-experience-and-treatment-2017100912562
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 07:06 AM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 07:01 AM
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Not all women have looks to fall back on. Consider ugly and elderly women, which likely comprise the majority of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 06:57 AM
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Relative privation fallacy
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 06:53 AM
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What do you think patriarchy means?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 06:52 AM
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Because fathers usually end up with custody after advocating/fighting for it and are presumably more invested in the kid(s). Mothers are the default parent and not all are equipped. If we only saw the outcomes of children raised by mothers that similarly actively fought for custody/were invested and not assigned by default,I imagine we’d see similar outcomes And two parent households do better for obvious reasons
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 06:46 AM
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It’s just the pendulum swinging the other way
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 06:02 AM
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I get the impression women are expected to perform more so people then think it’s more pleasurable for them
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 06:00 AM
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So you don’t think it’s a false equivalent?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 10:19 PM
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We’re having arguments surrounding hypotheticals so false equivalencies should be avoided
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 10:13 PM
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False equivalence. The equivalent would be if he did certain sexual acts with his exs but doesn’t with his current partner. The equivalent for your example would be if the woman put in more work planning dates, surprises, cooking, etc for a previous partner
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 08:17 PM
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Why, exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 08:15 PM
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With peace and love, that’s not an equivalent comparison. An equivalent comparison would be that he used to do specific sexual acts but now doesn’t want to do them. The parallel to your example would be if a woman planned over the top dates and bought amazing gifts for her ex but didn’t for her current partner
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 07:54 PM
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It sounds like you’re talking about pokemon
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 03:21 AM
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It’s not “probably won’t happen.” It’s “it hasn’t happened” to you, while the other thing is happening to people now. A better comparison would be some medical procedure or treatment that is happening to men now
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 08:34 PM
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Then pick a better example. Women are getting pregnant and giving birth right now. The draft hasn’t been enacted in over 50 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 05:44 PM
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Stolen valor
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 04:50 PM
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Are you not in America? Sorry for assuming
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 06:29 AM
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Please do. I want to be drafted so people who have and never will be drafted quit bitching about hypotheticals. If you’ve never served, it’s stolen valor
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 04:40 AM
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Because putting the burden on one parent will inevitably bounce back to the taxpayer, Especially in this economy
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 04:39 AM
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Being forced to work 80 weeks to support both myself and a baby is highly traumatic Your child support is based off of your current situation. It doesn’t make you work more hours. Also, you can’t speak to what’s more traumatic (working or having a baby), only people who have done both can Someone has to pay for the babies, and it’s not going to be me as a taxpayer. Both mom and dad should
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 04:30 AM
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“Case study”
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 01:26 AM
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Technically everyone is a potential predator
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 01:20 AM
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I’m not the person you were arguing with.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 06:47 AM
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This has nothing to do with the Democratic Party. Going for vibes, not policies
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 06:26 AM
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What about fat men? Do they go to the AI fat camps too?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 06:22 AM
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Men have higher rates of obesity actually
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 06:21 AM
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It’s legal for teens to baby sit and mow lawns now. There are exemptions
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 06:15 AM
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Seems unlikely
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 05:53 AM
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You misunderstood the stats. 70% of what? 90% of what? Think about it and it will come to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 06:58 AM
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Financial literacy isn’t great. However, if the average person gets something like cancer, they’re not going to be able to afford it regardless of whether they’ve wasted money on stupid shit. The average cost is around 150k. That’s a broad estimate and it obviously depends on the type of cancer and how advanced it is, but it’s completely unsurprising to anyone in the us
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 05:50 PM
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Actually no, it’s literally the clitoris
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 08:12 PM
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non sequitur You missed the point
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 01:28 AM
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So women are harmless with guns? Maybe men aim slightly better or whatever but you don’t need to be an expert marksman to shoot someone in the chest
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 01:13 AM
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Nah, your argument doesn’t hold up because we have weapons now
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 11:43 PM
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They’re obvious grifters
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 01:06 AM
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Are you a bot lol? Women can use guns just like men. And if it’s the strongest men (spoiler: it’s not) who are in power in society…well that’s not very good for weak or old men either.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 08:58 PM
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Patriarchy = common man, feminism = common woman. Seems straightforward to me
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 08:57 PM
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Yeah, I hope so too. But I’m fairly confident most of it is fake. Mostly rage bait or ai prompts.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 04:06 PM
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This was true before the gun was invented. How are rights enforced in the USA? Not with raw physical strength. Officers are armed. Also, if you try to claim benefits and gratitude for a role you have never served in (e.g., working a dangerous job, working as an officer) that’s stolen valor. Give credit where credit is due, including to the women working these roles. Yes, there are fewer of them, but they can serve in these roles just as men can serve in more stereotypically feminine roles (e.g.,…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 04:02 PM
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Feminism is also abstract. Who are feminists? Any left leaning woman, by Reddit’s standards
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 03:47 PM
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Do you mean AITA? It’s all fake
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 03:45 PM
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It’s not that they don’t give a shit about men. It’s that they do give a shit about kids, including boys who will become men. Someone has to pay, and as a taxpayer I’d rather it be the two who made the child than me
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 03:43 PM
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I’m going to say something you won’t agree with. The horrible things being discussed are not all due to patriarchy, but patriarchy is the term used to describe the system of rigid gender roles people have historically ascribed to. If that term’s too loaded for you, let’s just call it rigid gender expectations: men are the head of the family (e.g., they make decisions, we get our fathers’ names), but being the head means men must also be soldiers and protectors while women are weak and must be pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 02:29 AM
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What you’re describing is the other side of the coin. Let’s not pretend the misandry you described and the misogyny the poster you’re responding to described aren’t part of the same system. It shouldn’t be a competition
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 05:43 PM
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Not sure if you meant to respond to me with this? Most people in PNW aren’t extremists, contrary to popular belief.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 05:26 PM
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No, but I know someone from the PNW who lives there now. And from what I’ve heard people there also self identify as communists lol. People are strange. That’s not a common attitude, even if a few fringe people in the most left leaning circles endorse it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 01:32 PM
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You’re not arguing against a real stance or person. Most women probably understand why men wouldn’t want to date an escort or OF girl unless they worked in those fields themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 04:29 AM
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Can you give a source on the numbers being equal until the 70s? That just runs counter to what I’ve read, but I’m definitely open to evidence I’ve overlooked
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 05:51 PM
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I can’t speak for all women, but I’ve literally never called a woman a slut and I’ve never heard any of my female friends do it either. I don’t give a fuck if women or men want to sleep around. I will think of a woman as a pick me if she’s being shitty to her female friends/prioritizes male attention though. Are your female friends calling women sluts? Where are you getting this?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 03:42 PM
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70% only applies to non reciprocally violent relationships, which is roughly half of domestic violence: Almost 24% of all relationships had some violence, and half (49.7%) of those were reciprocally violent. In nonreciprocally violent relationships, women were the perpetrators in more than 70% of the cases But yes, physical abuse is a threat to both genders
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 03:37 PM
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Another variant is when dad went out for milk and never came back
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 03:35 PM
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I don’t know research on DEI hires. Can you link to the stats you’re referencing? And my point is that is how most VP picks are made, but people only use that language with her because she’s black and a woman. Pence was another “DEI” pick but we don’t see any language around him of that nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 11:49 PM
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Yes, thats what DEI means, but when most people say something like “literally a DEI vice president lol” particularly in conservative spheres, they’re 100% implying she’s not qualified. If that’s not what you meant, okay, but she was also chosen on the basis of other factors just like Vance was. If they could pick any black female to sit in for VP only for their gender and race they wouldn’t have bothered choosing someone with certain stances or qualities.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 11:41 PM
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So Vance is allowed to appeal on the basis of income, state, marriage status, and religion but Harris is only allowed to appeal on the basis of race and gender? Why? She was chosen, in part, because of her gender and race, but also because of other factors like her debate skills, experience in government, being from California, and having strong opinions on police reform. Saying someone is a “DEI” pick implies that they were only chosen because of their race and not their qualifications. It stro…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 11:30 PM
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Demographic appeal means chosen for race, gender, etc. What do you think “demographic” means? And you still haven’t concretely explained what makes Vance more chosen for policy and Harris more chosen for her demographic characteristics
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 11:06 PM
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It seems to me Vance was mostly chosen based on his demographic appeal and then policy only insomuch as it aligned with Trump’s. He wrote a book called the “hillbilly elegy,” clearly he’s appealing to a certain group. Do you have any more concrete examples of how he was chosen more based on policy than Harris?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 06:12 PM
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Disagree. For VP, Walz was chosen to appeal to a certain demographic as were Harris and Vance (who is supposed to help with blue collar workers). Harris was chosen to run for president so they didn’t lose Biden’s campaign funds.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 04:02 PM
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How do you think Tim Walz was chosen? Politicians are often chosen based on the demographic they appeal to and votes they can capture. It only comes up when the candidate isn’t white or male though
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 03:26 PM
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People call anyone who isn’t white a “DEI hire”
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 03:23 PM
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All the chores? If you’re both working, you both need to do chores. The hypothetical you mentioned is extremely uncommon. One partner can do more if they work less, but making one person responsible for everything is a recipe for resentment Edit: okay, you actually addressed it below. I think it works best when things are evenly balanced
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 04:03 AM
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TikTok street interviews and AITA posts are painfully fake rage bait
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 03:53 AM
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Neither agreeing nor disagreeing but do the statistics you’re referencing show who is rejecting who? I’ve mostly seen stats that show a difference but not the why of it
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 03:25 AM
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🤡
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 10:05 PM
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Deflection
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 04:41 PM
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Lawsuits are a matter of public record fyi
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 04:40 PM
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hypocritical That makes you hypocritical too. You’re not allowed to care about any issue except fast fashion, according to you, or you’re a hypocrite. Have you argued on PPD about issues other than fast fashion and human exploitation? Do you live in a society? Hypocrite!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 05:45 AM
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I’m not going to engage further with an illogical troll.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 05:42 AM
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If you refuse to honestly engage with a viewpoint opposite of your own in good faith, there’s no point continuing this conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 04:58 AM
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“Logical rebuttals” = emotional fueled deflections, ad hominems, and refusals to engage with the point
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 04:38 AM
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I’m not attacking porn as an activism move lol. Just responding to a debate topic and watching you try your hardest to deflect in response
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 03:19 AM
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Delusion does not equal trafficked, physically hurt, and forced to perform in porn. Again, because you need specifics, I’m not saying we should ban porn and all porn is exploitative. But some of it definitely is https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-55333403 So again, porn objectively has more potential to exploit and hurt people than erotic fiction
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 11:27 PM
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Making some (incorrect) assumptions about me here.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 11:16 PM
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I don’t think most porn is exploitative. But you’re delusional if you think there’s less potential for exploitation in porn than erotic fiction. No need to be so defensive and emotional. I’ll leave you to your white knighting for porn
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 11:16 PM
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You’re deflecting, bringing an outside topic to a thread specifically focused on one thing. No need to be so upset about it
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 10:59 PM
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I said most, not all
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 04:15 PM
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I’m not arguing to ban porn. And yes, fast fashion is terrible. You can care about multiple issues at once
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 02:01 PM
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It doesn’t have “no scientific value.” They need to read papers from the opposing side - really all papers in this area - to come to a conclusion. But all scientific papers generally have inherent scientific value
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 08:55 AM
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This isn’t a way to get a one up on men. This is a very real concern that shitty romance novels simply don’t have. Im not saying most porn is unethically produced, but I am saying it’s hard to tell
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 08:54 AM
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You’re fighting ghosts. Most women accept porn and even watch it themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 08:51 AM
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I understand the spirit of your comment, and have no real desire to defend shitty porn novels, but one industry is more likely to have trafficked, unwilling participants than others. But we’d have to visit the proposed reason for banning porn to really discuss this accurately
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 08:49 AM
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I have no argument for or against porn. But this argument doesn’t work. These are countries with vastly different values than western countries, porn or no. You would need to compare against a similar western country - with western values - and no porn to serve as an equivalent no porn comparison
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 08:47 AM
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You’re right, they hate you and you should destroy them in response. Burn their life to the ground /s people say that so you don’t ruin your life and go school schooler on the person who rejected you instead of turning your life around
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 08:35 AM
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Same. I wonder if social class is related
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 08:29 AM
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What is basic human decency if not calling 911? You’re applying some other standard to women then saying the equivalent for men is calling 911 lol which is the bare minimum for every person
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 12:11 AM
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Nah, don’t believe you
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 11:51 PM
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Not equivalent to calling or not calling 911.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 11:51 PM
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It is to me. It’s breaking the psychological contract of living in a society
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 11:50 PM
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The vast majority of women would call 911
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 05:49 PM
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I also don’t expect people to shit in the streets in the US. Some things are just baked into living in a society. Maybe there’s no law against not calling 911, but society won’t want you in it if you adopt this deeply brain dead take
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 05:49 PM
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Alimony is a shrinking number of cases. It should be decided on a case by case basis. Are you paying your ex alimony?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 04:41 AM
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Can you send me the actual CDC link? If anything, it sounds like obesity rates are similar enough that studies produce inconsistent findings. Also, it’s better to google “obesity rates by gender and age” rather than a leading view, as that leads to cherry picked studies
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 02:43 PM
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You realize alimony isn’t decided by gender, right? It’s decided by wage. I agree alimony shouldn’t be given in almost all cases, especially if people can support themselves. But if someone - male or female - has given their life and job up to support their partner in their success and raise children, with no life skills as a result, then maybe alimony should be considered. But that’s not really a scenario that happens now that more women are in the workforce
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 02:37 PM
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Actually, more older men are obese than older women, with the exception of those aged 60 and older (and the discrepancy is smaller there): Among men, the prevalence of obesity was 40.3% among those aged 20–39, 46.4% among those aged 40–59, and 42.2% among those aged 60 and over. Among women, the prevalence of obesity was 39.7% among those aged 20–39, 43.3% among those aged 40–59, and 43.3% among those aged 60 and over. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db360-h.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 02:34 PM
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And about 10% of couples pay alimony.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 02:19 PM
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How are they not contributing to society? They presumably pay taxes and work jobs that have some contribution to society.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 12:00 AM
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Less income is generally associated with less education and less access to resources which is associated with being less likely to use birth control responsibly.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 11:47 PM
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You can’t see how the claim “women owe productivity to society” is related to the number of women working and paying taxes vs the number staying home - the most common idea of productivity. Nor can you see how it relates to the number of adults having children even though that’s what your idea of productivity entails
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:11 AM
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We did… Women owes productivity to society and society owes sexual and marital opportunities to men. The vast majority of men and women are working in these essential things. Men more for “things” and women more for “humans”. It doesn’t matter anyway, being productive isn’t just working and paying taxes, it’s also being available on the sexual and marital market, and making + raising kids. But the equivalent of a childfree woman is a man who doesn’t work. These are all things you can verify with…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 08:35 PM
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The percentage of people staying home vs working isn’t pseudoscientific. And it’s not hypocritical to ask for evidence to support something you claimed
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 03:40 AM
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It’s a debate though, and that’s common practice. But there’s no real need to continue as we’ll likely never see eye to eye or have a productive conversation
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 03:22 AM
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You make the claim, the burden of proof is on you
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 02:23 AM
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Show me the stats. And lol bullshit. So many men want families and lots of men don’t
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 01:05 AM
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Nope. Some men who don’t work watch after the kids at home. Childfree working men are equivalent to childfree working women. Nonworking women are equivalent to nonworking men. SAHM are equivalent to SAHD. I could also argue people who make more money contribute more to taxes and those taxes in turn support poor parents who are raising children so…take that to its logical conclusion
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 12:47 AM
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Then that same logic applies to child free men
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 12:36 AM
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Yet women owe society for productivity…even though they contribute to its productivity?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 12:29 AM
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That wasn’t an explanation. I can say we owe society’s productivity to all working adults, which makes more sense. Women constitute a significant amount of the workforce, and of those who don’t work, most raise children. It doesn’t directly contribute to tax money, but it is necessary for society to function
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 11:45 PM
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You didn’t respond to what I wrote, but that’s fine. Explain how women owe productivity to society and society owes sexual and marital opportunities to men. And that doesn’t make sense to me at all - the equivalent of a child free woman is a child free man. The equivalent of a woman who doesn’t work is a man who doesn’t work. Explain how it’s otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 11:00 PM
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I wasn’t claiming anything about a free market. I’m pointing out you can’t claim women owe men because some industries are more male dominated. Rather, men and women owe the people working in those industries. Most men do not work that type of job. It’s stolen valor to claim credit for it if you don’t have that type of job
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 03:38 PM
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You’re not talking about men. You’re talking about a specific working class. Men owe them as well, not just women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 05:56 AM
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One thing happens consistently, one is a hypothetical scenario that likely will never occur.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 12:10 AM
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In the Boys, Homelander is portrayed as wanting validation not because of his strength but because he was raised in a lab with minimal affection
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 09:09 PM
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I doubt any widespread group of men would ever be competent enough to cause "serious harm" to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 08:09 AM
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Not for everyone. At will employment is common
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 09:21 PM
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I don’t believe the survey counts the time the washing machine spends running as time towards hours of housework, rather just the time spent loading and unloading
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 09:07 PM
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If you have a relationship like this, you will be resented.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 09:04 PM
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OP, don’t leave us hanging. What did the guys do specifically that made the women lose interest?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 02:18 AM
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Nope, you just don’t understand stats or how to read scientific reports
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 11:51 PM
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Copied from another time I corrected someone: Are you claiming the CDC data in fact shows that lesbians are more violent than other demographics? Most bisexual and heterosexual women (89.5% and 98.7%, respectively) reported having only male perpetrators of intimate partner violence. Two-thirds of lesbian women (67.4%) reported having only female perpetrators of intimate partner violence. If you read the full report, most victims do not have multiple perpetrators either If we removed the percenta…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 11:50 PM
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lol. It shows, objectively, bisexual women experience the most violence and it’s perpetrated by men. Copied from another time I corrected someone: Are you claiming the CDC data in fact shows that lesbians are more violent than other demographics? Most bisexual and heterosexual women (89.5% and 98.7%, respectively) reported having only male perpetrators of intimate partner violence. Two-thirds of lesbian women (67.4%) reported having only female perpetrators of intimate partner violence. If you r…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 11:50 PM
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Popular misinterpretation takes root and persists. I’ve been debunking the misinterpretation of CDC data/lesbians are more violent myth for years and it never stops popping up.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 04:48 AM
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It’s giving: I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 11:44 PM
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Yes, it does? Unless you’re just arguing some orgasms are better than others
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 05:20 AM
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That’s not what I’ve seen.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 01:22 AM
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It’s a weak argument that most people would care. You obviously do, but not everyone shares your opinion. I think it’s silly, but you’re allowed to be upset over whatever you choose. Agree to disagree
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 09:07 PM
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Maybe, but it would be petty. I wouldn’t care. I imagine most wouldn’t unless they’re 12
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 08:34 PM
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I can imagine it with reversed genders lol it’s not that deep or scandalous. Lady was rude, but they just wanted to get through the interaction without making it a whole thing, dealt with it after.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 08:16 PM
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It probably was fine, but it sounds like she felt bad
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 07:46 PM
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You’re nitpicking. This is such a weird disconnect and understanding of social interactions.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 07:01 PM
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So punish the kids
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 06:53 PM
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No, this is a common misinterpretation of a CDC study
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 04:56 AM
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One of those adjectives is doing more work than the others: charming people get laid the most, regardless of whether they’re uncaring or caring, lying or honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/24 06:10 AM
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My rebuttal is the same: the human fist is no longer the biggest weapon. Your reasoning puts us back in the Stone Age and ignores societal, technological, legal, and cultural advancements. Women very well could create their own Leviathan now because raw physical power is no longer a prerequisite for power. And it’s not even for women’s advantage, though they benefit. It’s because the average man would not do well if all power and decision making went to the strongest. What would you say the mode…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 11:59 PM
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I imagine men are better paid because they generate more money, which makes sense to me. I’m not arguing for “equality” in the sense that everything is 100% equal no matter the context. It’s like saying women need to have prostate exams. Obviously, there are areas where it makes no sense for “equality” but makes more sense to focus on “equity.” What I am interested in engaging with is your idea that physical power = superiority in society and women are only “allowed” equality because men are bei…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 11:10 PM
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Because physical strength has nothing to do with equality. As I’ve been saying from my first comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 10:56 PM
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I don’t agree that equality has anything to do with raw physical strength or the following: I agree men physically outperform women. But what does that have to do with equality? It means that sexual equality is not a fundamental and ultimately relies on men's benevolence to accept a Hobbesian Leviathan that enforces it. As a matter of realpolitik the Leviathan's social contract must appease men since if they revolt women cannot defend the Leviathan against an alternative patriarchal Leviathan. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 10:50 PM
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Look at you dodging and weaving and bringing up new arguments because you can’t logically support your initial claims.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 10:47 PM
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Which has nothing to do with physical strength lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 10:39 PM
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Well, the idea that men can and will rise up because of modern women usually comes from incels. You were discussing a similar hypothetical.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 10:32 PM
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I wasn’t making the argument that society can be built without men’s buy in. I’ve been focused on discussing the idea you brought up as proof of men’s superiority - let’s call it what it is - a hypothetical incel revolt. I don’t buy that a) there’s enough men in modern society who would buy into the idea of rising up and taking away women’s rights to make it feasible or b) if there was some sort of extremist group or movement, they would be able to overcome the government. It’s a fantasy. Your i…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 10:26 PM
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You’ve made an argument that’s easier to address than my actual argument. Society doesn’t work because women and cripples have access to guns. But society also doesn’t work because all of men are being benevolent and holding back from rising up and taking away women’s rights. You’re a misogynist whose beliefs are fueled by emotion rather than logic. Stale and boring. Women aren’t inferior because physical strength doesn’t mean anything in this society. Go whine some more about how inferior and t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 04:04 PM
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You can extend this argument not just to women, but to all of the physically weak (elderly men and women, children, weaker men) as well. The strong - mostly men, but certainly not all men, not even most men - would be at the top of the hierarchy, in your hypothetical. Claiming it would mostly affect women is an oversimplification. And it’s silly to pretend raw physical strength is equivalent to power in this day and age. That ceased being a factor when the gun was introduced. To argue men would …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 04:16 AM
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I agree men physically outperform women. But what does that have to do with equality?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 02:55 AM
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This was in response to a comment about equality in society. So you were the one bringing up performance in regard to equality - I agree men will outperform women on most physical tasks, but how does that relate to equality? That’s where your argument falls apart
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 02:37 AM
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Women can't win in direct competition with men so they pout and scream to create their own leagues of losers. Here you are asserting that it should be obvious that women do not want to be treated as second class citizens when the opposite is the truth. Women go to great lengths to avoid seeing the truth. Women want to be treated as equals knowing full well they are losers. From this, I assumed you were equating strength to usefulness/purpose. Men, on average, are stronger than women, yes. But th…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 02:32 AM
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My understanding is that your argument suggests raw strength is the defining quality of humanity’s usefulness and purpose?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 02:15 AM
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Not necessarily. Some men would perform worse than female athletes so it’s not a binary. Also, you’re implying that human equality should stem from physical strength: “women want to be treated as equals knowing full well they are losers.” It seems you’re arguing that they’re losers because they’re weaker. But if we apply that to all of humanity… a bunch of men drop to the bottom as well, not just women. And can you explain the pigeonhole principle in the context of your argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 01:51 AM
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I’m following your argument to its logical end
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 01:30 AM
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So with your logic, the sick, young, elderly, all but the strongest of women, and short men are all inferior “losers”. A bit reductionist, but at least you’re consistent
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 01:17 AM
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Do you agree that tall men are superior to short men? They’re generally stronger
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 12:22 AM
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You sound charming.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 04:27 AM
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His insecurity could very well be something that turns you of. He could be needy and clingy. He could be insecure about your past and his place in your life relative to it. He could cry over chewbaka being blown up or the vending machine running out of his favourite snack One of these things is not like the others.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 04:23 AM
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Weak. Doesn’t make sense in the context of what I said
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 04:24 AM
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Self fulfilling prophecy. You hate women and, whether you recognize it or not, visibly exude disgust and therefore women have no motivation or desire to appear anything but disappointed in your presence
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 07:21 PM
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When they’re not around you
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 05:51 PM
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Well, at least you know they’d be disappointed.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 04:38 PM
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You think they’d agree they’re ungrateful and support the view that women are generally ungrateful?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 04:31 PM
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I’m sure they’d be so proud you think they’re subhuman and don’t contribute to society’s infrastructure or functioning
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 04:25 PM
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And what do you think of your views?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 04:22 PM
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Not really. Do you have contact with your mom? Or any female relatives? If so, what’s your relationship like?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 04:13 PM
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So you’re just a misogynist. Stale and boring
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 04:02 PM
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But have you seriously engaged with the thought? You find the majority of men around you more attractive than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 08:09 AM
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I unironically just encouraged the OP to sit with the thought he may find men more compelling and attractive for a reason. Sometimes it’s simple misogyny, but sometimes there’s a real reason someone feels resentment towards the opposite gender - if someone has been repeatedly encouraged to date the opposite gender, but subconsciously isn’t attracted, they may start resenting them
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 08:08 AM
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I think you just find men more compelling (and possibly more attractive) than women. I’m not being facetious. Just sit with the thought for a bit and see how you feel
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 08:04 AM
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But we’ve been talking about how the data compares different levels of education and you claimed it’s “based on an average hourly across 40 hours.” I assumed it was based on median weekly raw earnings, which takes into account hourly rates, bonuses, etc. And homemakers and retirees also often have degrees so that effect would not be exclusive to the category of people without degrees. I think the issue you’re experiencing is that the average doesn’t represent your experience. But that’s because …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 07:54 PM
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Can you link to the specific BLS source you’re referencing so I can verify your claims? While I appreciate the specific detail you’re providing here, you’re assuming industries captured in the higher education categories don’t have similar considerations that would change the results.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 07:20 PM
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What do you mean by “jobs” and “careers”? And fine, maybe that comparison doesn’t work, but my overall point stands: you want exceptions made for one category, but aren’t making equivalent exceptions for the other categories. And what do you mean it excludes compensation exclusive to trade unions? Can you also point out where you found the explanation for the average hourly rate across 40 hours? Also, yes, a lot of BLS estimates don’t perfectly line up, because of moderating factors. For instanc…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 06:45 PM
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It’s not flawed, it’s at a population level, which means it’s not going to focus exclusively on people at higher levels or at the highest level in their career. You realize this applies to the other categories too, right? It includes people who just graduated and are early in their career (which is roughly equivalent to what you describe as people in the learning phase). If you want to make equivalent comparisons, consider what that means for each category.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 06:29 PM
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Yes, getting a degree doesn’t automatically translate into a living wage. But, based on the data, I’m still going to argue you’re more likely to make a living wage with a degree than without one. And it’s fair to conclude that more education generally means a higher income. And I’m sure you can find how things vary as a function of hours worked, etc if you feel like digging through BLS data. That may already be taken into account in how they compare median weekly hours. But the core effect doesn…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 05:59 PM
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I’m sure you’ve experienced that, and it sucks, and I don’t like the attitude that suggests you need an education to be successful. That’s not what I’m saying. But I say you’re projecting because it seemed like you’re somehow attributing it to the stats. The stats don’t say people without a degree are all poor but they say, on average, the more education you have, the more money you make. Then, again, how would you categorize things? I’d hazard a guess you’re on the more lucrative side in the no…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 05:17 PM
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How would you create the categories then? I’m just using the BLS stats, and they’ve likely lumped it by degree because it’s the most intuitive way to categorize people. And it supports what I said: generally, the more educated you are, the more money you make (with exceptions, obviously). So if you conclude more educated people are generally better paid, you’re factually correct. I think you’re projecting your beliefs onto what I’m saying. I don’t see someone in work boots and a hard hat and thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 04:58 PM
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I didn’t mean you’re likely to make over 100k with a master’s degree. But you’re more likely to than if you only have a high school degree. Also, I’m sure there are exceptions, but generally, the more educated you are, the more money you make. Saying you’re more likely to be successful if you don’t get a degree is misleading. I think, in either case, whether you get a degree or not, you need to have a plan. https://www.bls.gov/careeroutlook/2021/data-on-display/education-pays.htm#:~:text=For%20e…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 04:44 PM
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Statistically, there is a strong correlation between education and income, accounting for age. It sounds obvious when I say it as follows: you’re more likely to make six figures when you have a graduate degree than if you only have a high school diploma. That being said, I’m not discounting that going to trade school is also a choice to get a lucrative career.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 04:27 PM
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Well, they were right about people misunderstanding the CDC data. That is a common misinterpretation I see brought up all the time
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 04:35 PM
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Not very clearly
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 05:49 AM
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Is your point to discredit self report research?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 04:18 AM
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Well, it does show bisexual women experience the most violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 03:27 AM
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Evidence of the opposite? Not sure what you’re referring to.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 02:05 AM
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Most people misunderstand the CDC data and argue it proves lesbians are the most violent demographic, when actually it only provides evidence for the opposite. Bisexual women experience the most violence. I assumed you were bringing up the Duluth model in relation to that somehow, since that was OP’s main point. What disparities are you referring to?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 01:56 AM
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Under the section entitled Violence by an Intimate Partner: The lifetime prevalence of rape, physical violence, and/or stalking by an intimate partner was: For women: -Lesbian – 43.8% -Bisexual – 61.1% -Heterosexual – 35.0 Under the section entitled Sex of Perpetrator of Intimate Partner Violence: Most bisexual and heterosexual women (89.5% and 98.7%, respectively) reported having only male perpetrators of intimate partner violence. Two-thirds of lesbian women (67.4%) reported having only female…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 01:37 AM
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The report does say that. Read the IPV violence rates then the perpetrator gender in the executive summary. I can quote directly if you’d like, but it’s there.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 12:41 AM
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People use the CDC study to claim Lesbians perpetuated violence is the highest, but actually bisexual women experience the most. They also fail to account for gender of the perpetrator, mistakenly believing lesbians only report violence inflicted by other women. 43% of lesbians report having experienced IPV. Of that 43%, 67% reported exclusively female partners. Ultimately, we can conclude 28% of lesbians experienced IPV perpetuated by women, 34% of heterosexual women experienced IPV perpetuated…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 11:05 PM
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Except for the portions I noted, which indicate lesbian women experience the least IPV and bisexual women the most (even if you leave gender perpetrator out entirely)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 10:59 PM
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I’m not massaging the stats, literally just reporting what the data said. 43% of lesbians report having experienced IPV. Of that 43%, 67% reported exclusively female partners. Ultimately, we can conclude 28% of lesbians experienced IPV perpetuated by women, 34% of heterosexual women experienced IPV perpetuated by men, and %54 of bisexual women experienced IPV perpetuated by men. It’s right there in the report, even if you pretend otherwise. Anyone with a basic understanding of stats can see I’ve…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 10:21 PM
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And yet, if you read that same report, the majority of lesbians report having only 1 abusive partner. We don’t know the exact breakdown, but it makes your hypothetical more unlikely. Either way, it is clear you cannot use the CDC data to claim lesbians perpetuate the most IPV
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 10:17 PM
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Why is your explanation the best explanation? We’re discussing the Duluth model because you’re claiming it invalidates the CDC study. It clearly shows that lesbians experience the least IPV
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 09:53 PM
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I explained it above
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 09:52 PM
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You clearly haven’t read the CDC data. They ask both men and women their experience with domestic violence. They don’t define it as something men do to women lol. That is comically uninformed
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 09:28 PM
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Can you explain how the existence of the Duluth model invalidates the CDC study?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 09:18 PM
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No, I’m just reporting what is directly reported by the CDC. ~28% of lesbians experience violence perpetrated by women ~34% of heterosexual women experience violence perpetrated by men ~38% of bisexual women experience violence perpetrated by men
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 09:16 PM
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lol. It’s fine that you don’t understand the data, but there’s no point in me continuing to discuss it with you
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 08:14 PM
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We can move past you misunderstanding the statistics re: 67 vs 43. You can’t conclude the CDC’s numbers have zero credibility because men underreport violence. Men underreport violence to authorities…but in anonymous research studies? Do you know how the CDC collected data? I agree men are likely to underreport relative to women. You can say perhaps the results would look different if you magically found a way to fix the underreporting, but to say the results would go in the opposite direction i…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 08:10 PM
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Which is less violence than heterosexual or bisexual women experience from men
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 07:23 PM
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The CDC data isn’t accurate? You’re a conspiracy theorist.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 07:22 PM
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It’s inconclusive but you can somehow conclude it shows women are more violent? Read the report. Most bisexual and heterosexual women (89.5% and 98.7%, respectively) reported having only male perpetrators of intimate partner violence. Two-thirds of lesbian women (67.4%) reported having only female perpetrators of intimate partner violence. If you read the full report, most victims do not have multiple perpetrators either If we removed the percentage of lesbians experiencing IPV that was perpetra…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 05:39 PM
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My mistakes? And those are what, exactly? I explained yours, but you can’t bother engaging with the data. I wouldn’t be surprised if violence is underreported by men, but it doesn’t change the fact you’ve misunderstood the CDC data set, specifically what 67% of 43% means
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 05:38 PM
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So we’re on the same page. People use the CDC study to prove lesbians are the most violent in romantic relationships, but don’t realize that this study includes male perpetrated violence within the lesbian category, muddying the waters. Lesbians actually experience the least violence (if we focus exclusively on female perpetrators), with bisexual women experiencing the most violence
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 05:27 PM
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No, 34% did not report having a man and woman. Read the data.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 05:25 PM
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Do you not understand the mistake you just made in regard to the 43 vs 67%? It’s not propaganda, I’m literally citing the CDC data which people erroneously use to claim lesbians are the most violence demographic. Read the report. Is that propaganda too?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 04:27 PM
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You’re blatantly misunderstanding the stats lol. 43% of lesbian women reported iPV, 67% of them had exclusively female perpetrators. You ignored the data so there’s no use talking with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 04:22 PM
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See pg 26 (as numbered, 32 in the pdf): https://stacks.cdc.gov/view/cdc/12362/cdc_12362_DS1.pdf?download-document-submit=Download
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 03:55 PM
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lol, you’re missing the point. It’s misleading, yes, but the lesbians responding in the study also reported having male perpetrators, suggesting perhaps they tried dating men before coming out. Read the report: https://stacks.cdc.gov/view/cdc/12362/cdc_12362_DS1.pdf?download-document-submit=Download That’s the whole point. People misunderstand the study and its results because their use of lesbian is misleading
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 03:54 PM
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https://stacks.cdc.gov/view/cdc/12362/cdc_12362_DS1.pdf?download-document-submit=Download Because I’ve read the full CDC report
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 03:53 PM
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Are you claiming the CDC data in fact shows that lesbians are more violent than other demographics? Most bisexual and heterosexual women (89.5% and 98.7%, respectively) reported having only male perpetrators of intimate partner violence. Two-thirds of lesbian women (67.4%) reported having only female perpetrators of intimate partner violence. If you read the full report, most victims do not have multiple perpetrators either If we removed the percentage of lesbians experiencing IPV that was perpe…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 03:51 PM
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They’re right that people are incorrect in using the CDC data to argue “lesbians commit more violence against their partners than heterosexual men” or even “lesbians experience more violence than other women” (bisexual women experience the most violence, men are the most common perpetrators of IPV against women)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 08:06 AM
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Nope. Duluth model has nothing to do with the CDC data referenced
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 08:01 AM
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That’s the whole problem. People hear the word “lesbian” and immediately assume all violence reported in that category is perpetuated by other women (not without reason) but they’re wrong. Specially when it comes to the CDC data. That’s their point.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 08:00 AM
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No, they’re just refuting a common misconception of CDC data. People hear the word “lesbian” and immediately assume all violence reported in that category is perpetuated by other women (not without reason) but they’re wrong. That’s their point
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 07:57 AM
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Most people only reported having 1 abusive partner
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 07:56 AM
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The majority of people reporting abuse in this study only had 1 abusive partner
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 07:55 AM
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If you look at the data, the majority of people reported having only 1 abusive partner
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 07:54 AM
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If you look at the data, most people reported only having 1 abusive partner
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 07:52 AM
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If you see an average couple and they’re complimenting each other, are you going to intervene and tell them to stop because they’re both ugly? Let people live
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 05:51 PM
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I agree with you there. Women calling men useless is toxic. I suppose my main point was most women don’t hold that view. But I agree we should call it out when encountered.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 10:42 PM
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You’re putting words in my mouth. Of course you can call it out. You can protest. But getting mainstream society and official institutions to intervene will usually only happen in extreme cases. I guess I should ask what your goal is? How should we deal with women who want men to fund their (usually expensive) lifestyle?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 09:42 PM
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I think most men learn to just avoid these women. A bunch of assholes with backwards views exist in the world, but we learn to avoid them until they do something that crosses a line (e.g., mass shooting) then we try and target the underlying ideology/remove forums where they gather
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 02:17 PM
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I’m sure people like her exist. But they’re not the majority, just as incels aren’t. Unless you have a peer reviewed study proving otherwise, let’s agree to disagree
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 05:36 AM
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Because she’s so outrageous. That’s why her video is being shared. It generates outage. It’s rage bait
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 05:31 AM
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Yes. It exists. But it’s a small minority of our culture. And the more you engage with the content, the more the algorithm feeds you targeted content, reinforcing the idea everyone holds the same view. When its a small minority of people
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 05:18 AM
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TikTok and the view as sources? If you think that reflects the viewpoints of most people, I’m not sure it’s worth continuing the conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 05:00 AM
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So are incel forums. Should I lump all men into the same category as incels?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 04:58 AM
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I don’t know what Lipstickalley is, but FDS is full of extremists. I feel like it’s the women equivalent of incels
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 04:45 AM
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I’d say after 25 it’s less morally questionable because the frontal cortex has at least finished developing.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 03:18 AM
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Depends on the ages.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 02:13 AM
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2)”Studies” cater to women and otherwise left wing ideology. This is a conspiracy theory on par with the flat earth theory
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 12:05 AM
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Both sexes are emotional. It just manifests in different ways. Anger is also an emotion
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 12:01 AM
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The same reason it’s not okay for older women to take advantage of younger men. The older person is at fault
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 07:15 PM
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This may help clear a few things up: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_rights
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 05:38 AM
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Lol. I can’t tell if you’re trolling. If not, I hope you grow out of these illogical and emotion driven beliefs
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 05:18 AM
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You don’t understand what “oppression” means. As I said, that isn’t a commentary on the quality of life. Men had more agency. Also, you thinking not being able to reproduce is one of the worst things that can happen is very telling of a naive worldview
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 05:12 AM
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You’re creating your own argument to respond to. Most people aren’t claiming “all men oppressed women,” but that society oppressed women. Which is true. Most people understand that doesn’t inherently suggest all men lived a privileged life. But they generally had more rights than women. If you feel defensive about objective historical facts, you need to engage in some self reflection and ask yourself why
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 04:30 AM
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You’re rewriting history to feel better about yourself and shit on women
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 03:27 AM
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Quit projecting so hard
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 03:17 AM
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Yeah, that’s concerning. But I doubt the same people who think it’s admirable behavior are the ones who complain about age gap relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 03:19 PM
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I didn’t say anything about it not being older women. I said it is mostly women complaining about age gap relationships, but for both genders. Did you even read my reply? Though, I’ve also heard younger women complain about age gap relationships. I can link you TikToks and Reddit posts, though that’s just as good a source as comments on an article. Saying “you’re just jealous” to people who disagree just seems like an ad hominem so you don’t have to engage with their points
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 01:16 PM
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I don’t follow them, but stan behavior is generally toxic. How old are the men they’ve dated?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 01:13 PM
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People romanticize the past
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 05:23 AM
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No, the people who I’ve heard complain about age gaps don’t exclusively focus on older men - younger women. Women seem to be the loudest voices (rightfully) denouncing relationships between older women and younger men they groomed (e.g., Aaron-Taylor Johnson and his wife). Also, why does this topic come up so regularly? Hasn’t it been exhausted?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 05:21 AM
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Absolutely no rebuttals and ignoring my points while making a blatantly misogynist response “women are no good except for incubators”? You’re arguing in bad faith, I’m not continuing this argument
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 03:25 PM
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For war. And I don’t understand your point. You claim women need men because the majority of people who work construction and on a farm are men? By that logic, women should also always fear men because the majorly of people who kill are men. Do you see the problem with an entire class of people taking credit for the work or responsibility for the actions of a small subset of that group? If you don’t work in these industries, you don’t get to claim some sort of credit for it. That’s called stolen…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 10:31 PM
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A small gun kills just as easily as a large gun. I also don’t live in a war torn or third world country so it doesn’t apply to me. If you do, you have different expectations. But it’s a moot point for first world citizens like Americans. And men and women work in construction and on farms. There’s more men in these fields, sure, but women can and do also work in these fields. Do you work in construction or on a farm?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 06:27 PM
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Agree to disagree
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 02:49 PM
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They’re not hunting and building shelters. And weapons make it neutral ground.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 02:49 PM
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Not for hundreds of years
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 02:31 AM
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That will be a nice option for some people, but most men don’t want to be single fathers
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 02:30 AM
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I think you could say the same thing to men. Having a second salary can make a big difference
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 01:50 AM
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You will never be in a scenario with intruders
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 05:14 AM
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I went with a logical reason since that poster doesn’t seem the type to care about morality but yes, that would be my personal top reason
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 02:08 AM
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lol if only
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 04:43 AM
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Population collapse, for one.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 02:07 AM
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Wealth redistribution…by more evenly redistributing wealth among already wealthy children of wealthy parents? The wealthy have already made it clear they’re very good at maintaining generational wealth without sharing with the common people. This would just widen the gap between the poor and the rich.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 01:24 PM
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Ah, so you would want more single mothers and men lying about birth control?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 01:22 PM
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That’s not an equivalent comparison. In one case, you’re forcing a medical procedure on someone. In the second, you’re oppressing an entire class of people. I also wouldn’t think it’s fair for stronger men to be legally allowed to take away the freedom of weaker men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 01:22 PM
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Just pointing out what seems like a serious flaw with the pro choice scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 04:48 AM
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It’s just the biological reality of the situation. Biology isn’t fair. If men were the ones carrying the pregnancy, it would be their choice. But that’s not the reality, so they have to be practical about who they have sex with and if they’re using protection. But both parents are ultimately responsible for the child (or should be)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 04:45 AM
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Exactly. It is mutual. Which is why both people should pay for the child. But saying one party has zero responsibility means that party isn’t going to take birth control seriously
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 03:16 AM
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Sorry, I meant to say in pro choice jurisdictions - if the man has zero accountability from the start, there’s no incentive to use birth control. Some people are already bad at using protection, even knowing they’re taking a risk. There are some men who would be lying their way to unprotected sex knowing they wouldn’t have to deal with the consequences. There’d likely be a lot more single mothers with this approach
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 02:23 AM
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So only the rich should be allowed to procreate
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 11:03 PM
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So let the kids die?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 11:02 PM
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And women often serve as the primary custodial parent and pay for the child. Both people consented to sex, both people should contribute to raising the child and paying
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 10:47 PM
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One problem with this approach is there would be no incentive for men to use birth control under this policy in pro-life states.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 10:46 PM
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You’re arguing men shouldn’t have to raise their children, unless I misunderstood? Both parents made the baby, they should pay for it. Otherwise everyone else (taxpayers, including you and me) are footing the bill. Better for the children if both parents are involved too. I want a better society, not a worse one. Do you think women should also be absolved of responsibility in the case of single fathers?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 08:05 PM
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The problem with the CDC study is it doesn’t acquire data from the man’s perspective. I know couples who mutually decided to be lax with birth control because they knew they were okay with/eventually wanted children. It of course may be the case that some women were doing this without the men’s consent - but we simply don’t have the data to conclude one way or the other. It certainly doesn’t suggest most single mothers resulted from trying to baby trap men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 08:04 PM
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That’s a special case. I’m sure it happens, but implying it explains the majority of single mother households?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 06:46 PM
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So men shouldn’t be accountable but women should? I don’t think this should be a hot take, but both parents should be accountable for paying for and raising their children. This goes for single fathers too - mothers in those situations should pay and chip in It’s also better for the child’s welfare
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 06:40 PM
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All of aita is fake. One of the key tells in this one is the phrase “blowing up my phone.” It’s a space for trolls, AI enthusiasts, and aspiring creative writers. It’s like believing in horoscopes
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 02:58 AM
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What are different gender learning styles?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 02:53 AM
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But cute girls in video games cured my depression
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 02:51 AM
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Do you have a link to the actual study? Anyone can fabricate a chart and throw it online
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 07:08 PM
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I said points you think are easy to address, not that you ever adequately addressed them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 07:41 PM
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Agree to disagree. We never would have come this far if women didn’t spend most centuries raising children. Also love how you don’t engage with all of my points, just ones you find easy to address. Not really worth my effort responding further with someone engaging in bad faith
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 06:21 PM
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Nope, your first mistake is assuming making more money means superiority. As I’ve noted multiple times, there will be discrepancies between incomes due to the previous generation of women being encouraged to work and all generations disproportionately taking time off for childcare. But even so, the younger generation is catching up and even out-earning men. Does that make them superior, since according to you making more money = superiority?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 05:09 PM
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You missed the point where I noted it’s essentially been the last couple of minutes within human history, if we think of human history as 24 hours long, women have been encouraged to pursue careers. They’re still the primary caregivers too. It’s going to take time. If a man claims women are inferior to men, he’s a misogynist. If a woman claims men are inferior to women, she’s a misandrist.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 04:07 PM
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You don’t think the fact that men have been the ones actively encouraged to pursue such things and, basically for a second in the grand scheme of human history, women have been just now having the same opportunities has an effect? Men outearn women because women are more likely to forgo job opportunities for the sake of raising children. You’re free to continue spouting this as proof women are inferior to men, but it makes you a misogynist
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 03:46 PM
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Can you share your source? I don’t disbelieve you, just haven’t heard this before
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 06:28 AM
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More men are noble prize winners and millionaires because women haven’t been in the workforce nearly as long as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 06:15 AM
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Stolen valor
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 06:10 AM
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This is a case of stolen valor. You don’t work a physically taxing job
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 06:09 AM
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I think that’s fair. But I don’t think the OP is arguing for sex with all of the energy focused on her, just mutually enjoyable sex. The reality is PIV sex is generally more satisfying for men than women
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 05:57 AM
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It’s scientifically proven
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 05:35 AM
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It’s just a biological reality that men orgasm more easily than women. If you’re a heterosexual man and want your partner to orgasm, it takes more work. PIV alone doesn’t normally do it for women. If thats not your cup of tea, that’s fine, but it does make you a selfish lover
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 05:34 AM
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My point is that 90% of men on dating apps aren’t in relationships already and actively looking to cheat. It’s also not very common for women to want and pursue dating someone who is taken. It’s not a common phenomenon
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 07:38 PM
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Yeah. Sorry, but someone has to pay. It’s either the government (all of us) or the biological father (and custodial parent, the mother in this scenario), and I’m going to vote for the people who very likely could have prevented the existence of that child with adequate birth control
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 08:11 AM
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Do you want children?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 07:46 AM
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People have already mentioned that statistics show people marry within their SES and class. Relatedly, a strong predictor of a child’s success is their mother’s education level. I think people should be free to desire what they want, but I’m always baffled by people who say they don’t care if their future spouse is educated or has a career, just that they’re agreeable and attractive. Maybe they aren’t equating those characteristics with intelligence, but the data shows there is a strong correlat…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 07:29 AM
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You say the vast majority of men aren’t tricking women but also claim 50% of men women match with are married. This is a very unkind view of men. Do you have a source to back up this statistic or is this based on anecdotal evidence?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 07:23 AM
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You can date whoever you want. You should have whatever preferences you want as well. But this reads to me like someone who has been very hurt and is lashing out at women who had nothing to do with that hurt. This could backfire when you meet a woman who isn’t approaching it from a jaded perspective. If she is genuine and just looking for her match without playing games, this bitter outlook isn’t good for her or you. You’ll lose her before you really have the chance to keep her
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 07:19 AM
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No, it’s not misdirection. You implied women can no longer have children after their early 30s. But actually, it’s more likely they’ll have children, rather than not, if they’re actively trying (until 40). It’s objective fact and dangerous to pretend otherwise, as it gives people the false impression they can quit using birth control in their 30s. Don’t do that unless you want a baby https://academic.oup.com/humrep/article/19/7/1548/2356634
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 05:14 PM
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It has no bearing on my life, it’s just a weird misconception I’ve seen floating around. https://journals.lww.com/greenjournal/abstract/2004/01000/increased_infertility_with_age_in_men_and_women.10.aspx http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8503726.stm
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 02:47 PM
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Yeah…someone’s seeking fetish material
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 07:31 AM
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Actually, no, that’s not true. Fertility doesn’t begin decreasing until after 35 and even then, it’s minimal decreases until 40. This almost seems like weird propaganda to get older couples to become more lenient with birth control. Dangerous
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 07:06 AM
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I’m not sure why you’re so upset and snarky about this. Yes, it’s an estimate, but it’s a highly precise estimate with a low margin of error. As I’ve stated again and again, this does depend on collecting quality data and having a representative sample. I don’t think it’s worth arguing with you further
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/24 06:16 PM
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Agree to disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/24 02:57 PM
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What would you accept as proof? A detailed lecture on probability and previous examples where the results of a smaller sample accurately predicted the results of a larger sample? Data from all American men? I can’t provide that. My understanding of statistics is enough proof for me, but your understanding isn’t enough for you. And that’s fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/24 02:49 PM
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Okay, I just love that this is specifically about penis size lol. It just makes it feel so much more absurd. And yes, I would believe it. I don’t look at stats as a gotcha but they do tell us what’s real and what’s not, in my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/24 02:47 PM
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Yes, they can. If you understand probability. Is the reason you’re attacking statistics because you dislike the conclusion?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/24 04:20 AM
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I didn’t evaluate the original study, you’re right, so I can’t tell you how I’d evaluate the methods. Adding up multiple studies, rather than one large study, isn’t ideal. That being said, stats are still hard facts. Agree to disagree
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/24 03:17 AM
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Minimal is a key word. It wouldn’t be an entire inch larger, for example, but maybe (unlikely) .1 larger or smaller. But unlikely unless they did a bad job getting a random, diverse sample
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/24 02:36 AM
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I’m a woman so I don’t care about the average penis size. I do care about statistics. Assuming the data is collected in a randomized way reflecting a diverse set of participants, you can generalize to the broader population. It’s why insurance companies and public health companies, among others, make meaningful decisions based on statistics and spend a large sum of money on people to provide this data to them. You may not believe in it, but it’s the closest thing we have to objective fact and is…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/24 02:34 AM
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Yes. Maybe minimal deviations, but it won’t change very much
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/24 02:07 AM
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With all due respect, you really don’t know what you’re talking about. You didn’t even address what I said, just dismissed it and went right back to “stats bad.” Your actual criticisms aren’t even grounded in the most rudimentary understanding of stats.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/24 02:05 AM
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With all due respect, I think you’re misunderstanding the meaning and use of an average. It would take a lot of typing to explain why averages shouldn’t and aren’t used to say things like: “the average height of women is 5’4 so most women are 5’4.” Or: “the average couple has 2.5 children so it’s likely most couples have 2.5 children”. That’s not how you’re supposed to use or interpret an average and is a misconception. You need to also look at context: range and variance, then you have enough i…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 08:00 PM
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And jumping in one more time to say that a representative sample will also tell us what variability is present in the broader population (you need only examine the SD and variance)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 07:45 PM
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Just jumping in to say that any published data has been tested to ensure assumptions are met. You don’t move forward with analysis otherwise. Instead, if the data doesn’t meet assumptions, you choose a more appropriate statistical analysis (e.g., you find an appropriate non parametric analysis for non normal data). This is stats 101
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 07:43 PM
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Are you really arguing revenge porn should be legal?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/24 06:08 AM
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AITA is fake rage bait and bot posts. Comments can be messed up though
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/24 06:03 AM
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Often these videos are edited to only include the most engagement driving behavior - ragebait, in other words. Terrible, terrible source
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/24 06:00 AM
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Are you arguing the custodial parent (in your argument - the woman, because more often than not, she is the primary care giver and custodial parent) doesn’t pay for the child? The custodial parent almost always pays more.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 08:00 AM
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The government doesn’t care how the secondary parent feels about it, they just need the child paid for, so if you contributed to its existence, you pay.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 07:57 AM
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Looking at it pragmatically, from the government’s perspective, if there is a child in need, the parents will be made to pay, not the tax payers. It’s not that hard to prevent an unwanted pregnancy, and given that it results from a man’s orgasm, shouldn’t he be extra careful not to orgasm in an unprotected fashion unless he wants a baby? On a semi related note, how do you feel about the fact a lot of states have made abortion illegal?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 07:51 AM
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Having lots of interactions and relationships isn’t mutually exclusive with understanding and consuming research
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 11:18 PM
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What’s your point? Women shouldn’t vote because they make bad decisions?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 11:17 PM
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Because someone has to pay for the baby, and the government doesn’t want to
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 11:03 PM
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Somehow, I doubt you work in this type of environment and you just made this scenario up. No one has business meetings at strip clubs except for maybe petty criminals.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 11:01 PM
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With all due respect, you’re still not explaining how the study is flawed. You’ve yet to discuss survey questions, which is what I would expect someone to point to as evidence of bias, not the existence of a model. The CDC wasn’t even testing hypotheses, it’s more like census data. I have a feeling you aren’t even familiar with the methodology of the CDC study and are just writing it off without even reviewing it because you dislike its conclusions.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 12:05 AM
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First of all it is a survey study conducted in 2010 after ~40 years of proliferating the Duluth model throughout academics, public policy, and media. If you think such a profoundly warped understanding of IPV didn't impact survey results then I don't know what world you live in but it isn't realistic. But they didn’t use the Duluth model to inform their approach. Can you explain more specially how the existence of the Duluth model impacted their results? Next, the NISVS 2010 never mentioned atte…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 10:07 PM
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But the CDC data doesn’t use “misandrist definitions.” Can you point out specifically how it does so? And how should the data be revised? Perhaps the estimates aren’t perfect, as all data will have biases, but that doesn’t mean you completely throw it out. My main point is that the evidence is clear that lesbians don’t have more violence than heterosexual relationships and the conclusion that it does is based on a widespread misinterpretation of the CDC data, as explained throughout this thread
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 06:46 PM
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But your argument is essentially that all data is biased, allowing you to conclude what you wish to believe and ignoring the actual evidence. Why look at the evidence at all then, if you’ll dismiss whatever doesn’t agree with your worldview because of “societal bias”? There is bias in all data, yes, but the evidence is overwhelmingly clear: there isn’t more violence in lesbian relationships relative to heterosexual relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 04:35 PM
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They explained why you misinterpreted the data and your response is to say well the data doesn’t matter anyways..
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 06:06 AM
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Lesbians certainly experience DV, but not as much as heterosexual and bisexual women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 06:03 AM
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Thank you. It’s so annoying how widespread this misinterpretation of the data is.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 05:55 AM
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I feel like this is one of those questions that science is better suited to answer
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 05:15 AM
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It would be helpful if you defined your idea of femininity
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 12:45 AM
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I’m not surprised the FDS mindset transcends time. I still think the FDS community is rare and equivalent to the incel community, although I would guess the incel community is larger
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 05:35 AM
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Agree to disagree
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 03:00 AM
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Now you’re just nitpicking and looking for an argument. I said “most” people because there will inevitably be someone chiming in arguing that no, it’s quite easy for them to stay fit and everyone else is just lazy. I think it takes hard work, personally, but not everyone does
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 02:45 AM
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Can you give an example of feminists gaining clout out of it? I can think of several well recognized “red pill” or “manosphere” figures but no counterpart feminists
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 02:20 AM
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Rage bait does drive engagement
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 02:17 AM
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FDS is not “many women.” They’re the female equivalent of incels
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 02:09 AM
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My point was that someone saying that they like someone looking somewhat fit doesn’t mean they’re envisioning someone like Chris Hemsworth in Thor (like the first comment he linked). It’s also two random people on Reddit (and one from FDS of all places), not really indicative of a broader trend
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 02:08 AM
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What does this mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 01:51 AM
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Well, that’s frustrating. Being fit takes work for most people. But it’s one random person
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 01:49 AM
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I’m not sure what conclusion I’m supposed to draw from that, because I still don’t know what she means by “quite fit.” Also, two cherry picked Reddit comments do not a trend make. I’m also having trouble the older comments so I may be missing some context
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 01:07 AM
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Not really. She said she doesn’t prefer a body builder physique, but someone “somewhat fit.” We have no idea what that means to her without a picture or definition. I doubt she’s referring to Chris Hemsworth’s physique in Thor
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 01:04 AM
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I’m not saying most women wouldn’t find him attractive (although it’s debatable if most married women would sleep with him). I’m saying most women don’t expect men to look like that or think it’s easy to achieve
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 01:02 AM
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Women who can support themselves don’t need to get married and rely on a husband anymore, something that wasn’t generally an option a few generations ago. As a result, women are pickier and less concerned with relationships now that their survival doesn’t depend on having one
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 12:58 AM
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FDS is extremist though
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 12:54 AM
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This and rage bait drive a lot of engagement
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 10:56 PM
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The things you listed just sound like a matter of compatibility rather than love. You can show your appreciation and care without doing things you don’t want to. Having preconceived ideas of what “acts of service” are without communicating it ahead of time can spell disaster. And it should never be one sided.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/24 03:03 AM
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You want your partner to love you like a mom?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/24 02:55 AM
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I think they’re being overly critical because no one has done for them what you do for your partner. So they’ll keep looking for something to pick at. Kind of like a case of sour grapes.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/24 02:55 AM
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I’ll provide my sources when you actually provide a page number or passage that supports your claim
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 07:10 AM
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I’ll provide my sources when you actually provide a page number or passage that supports your claim
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 07:09 AM
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I’ll provide my sources when you actually provide a page number or passage that supports your claim
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 07:09 AM
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You made the first claim. We’ve already talked about this. You make a claim, you support it with evidence. That’s how it works. That’s where we still are
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 07:05 AM
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You haven’t provided a source yet
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 07:05 AM
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You haven’t provided a source to contradict yet. Go ahead. I’m waiting
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 07:04 AM
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After you refused to prove a page number or chapter…. Just citing an entire body of work
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 07:03 AM
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Why can’t you provide a specific page or passage to support your claim????
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 07:03 AM
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Can’t believe you refuse to actually support your claim. So stubborn. So wrong. You really think you can get away with lying and just dropping a name without actually reading any of his work. But no one believes you
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 07:01 AM
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I only agreed to read it because you refused to provide specific information from the source, hoping simply mentioning it would be enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 07:00 AM
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I didn’t agree to read it until after being refused page numbers or a chapter over and over and over again. Because you don’t know the work and it doesn’t support your claims
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:59 AM
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I probably will need it because it doesn’t exist. But we’ll see
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:57 AM
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If you won’t support your claim, the whole thing that sparked this conversation, because you thought you could get away with throwing a name out without actually having read any of his work, I refuse to respond further
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:57 AM
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You haven’t read any of the work of Buss
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:56 AM
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Still no proof from you. Provide a page number or chapter
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:55 AM
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And you keep deflecting. Still no proof from you. Can’t provide a page number…it’s obvious to anyone reading why you can’t
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:55 AM
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Quote a passage or provide a page number
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:54 AM
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Quote a passage or provide a page number
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:54 AM
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lol you absolutely will not. I’ve fought tooth and nail to get a straight answer but you can’t give it because it doesn’t exist. If it does: Give me the specific page number or chapter you’re referencing in your post. Tell me exactly where your point is supported within the work of David Buss
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:50 AM
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Give me the specific page number or chapter you’re referencing in your post. Tell me exactly where your point is supported within the work of David Buss
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:49 AM
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Give me the specific page number or chapter you’re referencing in your post. Tell me exactly where your point is supported within the work of David Buss
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:47 AM
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Give me the specific page number or chapter you’re referencing in your post. Tell me exactly where your point is supported within the work of David Buss
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:47 AM
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Give me the specific page number or chapter you’re referencing in your post. Tell me exactly where your point is supported within the work of David Buss
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:47 AM
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Give me the specific page number or chapter you’re referring to in your post
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:46 AM
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My source: world history. It’s just as specific as your source has been
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:43 AM
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Pull out method isn’t fully effective. Get basic sex education. Jesus. I’m going to bed now
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:42 AM
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No, I wanted sources because OP made the claim. Let me tell you again: if you make a claim, you must support it with evidence. Done responding to this thread as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:40 AM
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Can you support your claim police would decide to ally with men to take rights away from women? This is another dumb conversation, im also done with it
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:38 AM
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And you provided no pg number…no actual citation. Just words from your head. I’m done engaging with you
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:37 AM
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How is that related to the question at all? You’re again missing the basic premise of: you make a point, you support it with actual evidence. I’m done responding
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:35 AM
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I didn’t make the claim, he did. He has provided no compelling evidence “big feminism” is actually influencing research. It’s on him to provide evidence. Once it’s been established, then I can engage more critically. But it’s literally just thoughts from his head.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:34 AM
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No birth control = more babies = more population. Are you really arguing the opposite?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:33 AM
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I didn’t cite a mysterious source and then refuse to provide a pg number or chapter.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:32 AM
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Do you want me to explain why anecdotal evidence is meaningless (stats 101)?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:31 AM
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Because people make wild claims all the time without evidence on here. I felt compelled to respond in this case because my brother is going through a nasty divorce (actually not too far away from what red pill says will happen to all men who experience divorce), and therapy has actually helped him a lot. He learned a lot of good techniques for coparenting, and he’s actually already dating again less than a year after the divorce. I’d never say anyone needs to go to therapy if they’re opposed. Bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:30 AM
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Meanwhile, your arguments are purely in the land of conjecture. Your theory is police give us our rights and police could take over if they stopped protecting our rights. That would apply to everyone not in the police, though. Why would they decide to align along gender lines and not along occupation? Why should they care about the average man not in the force with them?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:27 AM
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To read what? Meanwhile, you can’t even properly talk about a book you’ve supposedly “read”
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:22 AM
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You remind me of my dad, stubbornly clinging to a point even when reality is staring him in the face. He’s a narcissist.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:19 AM
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Oh we’re still going. Because I work in research, and I can guarantee he doesn’t. That’s not how it works. Talk to anyone who works in research or academia.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:17 AM
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lol now you’ve disengaged with reality. We have historical trends as evidence…something I pointed to earlier.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:15 AM
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I think it’s had mixed effects, but is necessary. Taking it away would be disastrous. And you care so much, it’s painfully obvious. Or you wouldn’t be combing through my boring comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:15 AM
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You’ve lost me. What did I say was “wrong,” my obsessive friend?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:14 AM
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That’s not how it works. The person making the claim provides the evidence. I don’t care about therapy one way or another.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:13 AM
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It’s not worth my time talking to you. You’re not very smart
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:12 AM
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Did I say “wrong”? I said “silly.” Already explained why. Why are you so obsessed with me? I’m tired of talking to you. I’m out
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:11 AM
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Do you have more information on the feminists shutting them down?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:09 AM
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Because he claimed there’s “big feminism” influencing research - my point is reality maybe aligns with what he perceives as “feminism” and it’s not people shitting on men, whatever he finds as unfavorable is just reality
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:07 AM
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Because it’s fucking obvious? We have finite resources
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:05 AM
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Christ on a cracker, man. Im tired of talking to you. I just want people to actually engage with real evidence before making points.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:05 AM
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Because people make claims without adequately providing sources on here all the time. Do you not understand that’s my issue with most of the stuff posted here? Yet you disdain actually providing or requesting evidence…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:03 AM
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Because OP made a point, I engaged with the point. He made the claim so providing evidence is his responsibility. That’s how debating works. Something you continue to struggle with
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:02 AM
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What does police enforcing rights have to do with the idea of men giving women rights? If women are also part of the police force?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:00 AM
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I mean, it’s one guy. But yeah, we will see what my interpretation of his work is and what he says, if he responds.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 05:59 AM
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I asserted nothing. Actually read my comments. So eager to request evidence, so reluctant to provide any yourself. My original comment was a request for an updated citation
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 05:57 AM
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Where did I say that? And that’s not how it works.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 05:56 AM
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You said “how do women” implying all women. Most women don’t enforce their rights physically. And police aren’t just men. You’re actually detracting from your own point of view
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 05:55 AM
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I’ll be back once it’s done.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 05:54 AM
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Do you have a citation?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 05:52 AM
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You’re too lazy to cite an actual source. But I’ll read the book and email the author. Let’s see if he agrees with your interpretation of his work
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 05:51 AM
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But no one enforces their rights physically now. Moot point
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 05:50 AM
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Spoken like someone who has no idea how scientific evidence works and favors the anecdotal over actual evidence…..
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 05:50 AM
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You can’t reference even one…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 05:48 AM
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And you can’t even reference a specific chapter, showing how unfamiliar you are with the book.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 05:47 AM
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And when I have and I still find no support for your ideas?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 05:42 AM
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Should I be flattered you’re reading all my boring ass comments? What you’re saying makes no sense in the context of modern society. Not even sure what point you’re making
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 05:36 AM
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Ad hominem. I actually now have access to a pdf version of the book. I searched for the word responsibility, accountability, blame, and tribe but still nothing related to your point… am I missing something?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 05:28 AM
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Deflection. No evidence. You’re lying
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 05:23 AM
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Im just asking for one quote or pg number to prove your claim actually aligns with what he said, but you can’t do it. Because it doesn’t exist
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 05:22 AM
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Deflection. Still no proper citation. You’d fail
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 05:16 AM
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But you made a one sentence point that you should be able to support with a passage from the book…. Again bringing me back to the point that if it’s too difficult to find evidence from your source, you’ve misinterpreted it. Getting you to actually provide your source and rationale is like pulling teeth. You’re illogical, unfamiliar with how to properly cite evidence, and relying on feelings rather than evidence. You’re either a troll or deeply in denial of how ignorant you are. I can’t continue …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 04:50 AM
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I never said I dislike excerpts? You’re expecting everyone else to go read the same book (or books) before they can engage with your argument. It’s pretty standard knowledge for debating and research - you need to clearly and specifically cite your claims. The fact you can’t tells me you’ve likely misinterpreted his work
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 02:50 AM
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You can’t make a claim and then put the onus on everyone else to do your work and support it for you. You have no credibility. I don’t even care about the idea, I’m opposing this because it’s a pet peeve when people read an abstract or a popular press article’s interpretation of scientific work without even opening the actual study or work. And then wildly misinterpret it to make all kinds of dubious claims
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 02:34 AM
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If there’s so many passages related to this idea, it should be easy to share one that supports your claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 02:18 AM
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Actually, if you make a specific claim, there absolutely should be a clear and rational explanation from the author of the theory explaining that claim. That’s what good theory is. Good theory isn’t mystical read between the lines and draw your own conclusions. It’s clear and specific. David Buss would agree with me. What you’re telling me, instead, is you’ve formed your own conclusions based on your interpretation of his work, which I very much doubt you’ve even read. When you make a claim, you…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 02:15 AM
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Cool, we finally got to the point. Now quote a passage from Buss that supports your claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 02:06 AM
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You’re not explaining your claim or theory. I’m not making any claims, I’m just trying to understand your claims so I can verify it matches with the work of Buss. But you won’t tell me, likely because you know that’s not what David Buss claims…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 02:02 AM
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Are you claiming most women most of the time avoid taking blame and responsibility, while men are more likely to take blame and responsibility and this is David Buss’ theory?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 02:00 AM
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So it is women don’t take responsibility for their actions? Women don’t take responsibility or accountability for their own actions nor do they like it it in general - it has the same meaning. Men PREFER taking responsibility and accountability for things - if it gets us something. Women DON’T prefer this. Can you cite a specific page where his book actually says this? Because I think you’ve misinterpreted it
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 01:55 AM
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What is the theory? I genuinely want to know what you’re claiming because it’s getting lost in a lot of conjecture.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 01:53 AM
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What a large straw man, and completely irrelevant to my question. You’re saying David Buss claims women don’t take responsibility or accountability for their actions? Do you honestly think he’d agree with your interpretation of his work? Also, if you’re at all familiar with the field beyond his work, you’d know a major criticism of evo psych is it cannot be empirically tested - it’s a theory based on interpreting current behavior and genes, but there are a potentially infinite number of alternat…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 01:42 AM
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What exactly are you claiming this source says?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 07:59 PM
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I’d like to see a more recent citation on gender differences in response to therapy. I imagine therapy practices have changed quite a bit since 1979
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 07:51 PM
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Can you link a source?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 05:29 PM
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I’m just curious. Do you think this also applies to women?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 07:09 AM
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Do you mind sharing the original sources for these claims?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 07:07 AM
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What is the point?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 04:23 PM
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I’d also argue most amateur porn is made by men for men, but I’m not an expert on amateur porn so I may be wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 04:22 PM
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It just sounds to me like you don’t understand female sexuality and why women wouldn’t enjoy straight porn where they’re treated like an object. It concerns me that you think straight porn should be a reflection of what women want. Do you understand how different porn is from reality? That most women are faking enjoying the crazy, uncomfortable scenarios often depicted in mainstream porn? I’ll agree women are more likely to admit or experience attraction to the same sex than men, but women watch…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 04:21 PM
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What’s the question? Theoretically, any group could decide to take away the rights of others. As others have pointed out, a truly dedicated widespread group of women could do some serious harm to men. But this idea sounds like an implicit threat of violence or, for the truly depraved, wishful thinking. “If men weren’t choosing to be nice, we’d strip you of your rights.” Do you want a thank you?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 05:07 AM
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Oh, I understand why. I definitely agree women consume less porn than men. I was just answering OP’s point about why straight women might prefer lesbian porn
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 11:37 PM
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Do you really need me to spell out why a woman is more likely to orgasm from the scenarios generally depicted in lesbian porn than from the scenarios generally depicted in straight porn? Also, as others have mentioned, I’m not sure amateur porn was in its own category in the survey you referenced. I’m assuming it was divided into larger categories (e.g., is it lesbian amateur porn?) and overshadowed/outnumbered by the non amateur porn in those categories. Also, I’m assuming the majority of amate…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 10:24 PM
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I guess it depends on the type of amateur porn. But if you’re looking at porn as a whole, the majority of heterosexual porn is very focused on the man, and lesbian porn obviously isn’t. That again comes down to the methodology of the study op referenced. They likely didn’t even consider amateur porn or, if they did, again divvied it up into larger categories where it’s overshadowed/possibly outnumbered by mainstream porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 09:33 PM
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Idk, but my point is this kind of thing depends on the methodology. We’d need to see all the categories considered to conclude. But I would also argue amateur porn is largely made for men and still a predominantly focuses on their pleasure
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 09:19 PM
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Is hetero amateur porn even a category in the analysis OP was referencing or would it just fall under hetero sex in general? Because I’d assume it’d be overshadowed by the amount of non amateur porn
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 09:16 PM
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Most porn is made for straight men, with an emphasis on the angles that look best and fantasies catered to men. There isn’t much focus on things women like, and women fake their pleasure. In contrast, lesbian porn generally has more of a focus on things women find pleasurable
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 07:12 PM
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Hard to believe without any source
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 04:30 AM
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And what have you concluded?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 04:15 AM
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I couldn’t find anything about this anywhere. There’s things to criticize feminists for, but they support male birth control. That’s not the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 04:14 AM
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Then what are you suggesting?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 03:54 AM
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Banning birth control isn’t an extreme suggestion?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 03:48 AM
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If we had a population explosion, we’d have bigger concerns
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 03:41 AM
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there's been cases of feminists trying to shut down the trials like old school vasagel Do you have a source on this? I find it hard to believe
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 03:40 AM
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Well, fortunately, most people don’t agree with you. Especially in this economy
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 03:35 AM
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People chose less sex or more children, with an average of 4.5 - 7 children per family. There was also a higher mortality for babies then, keeping the number of children lower than it would otherwise be.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 03:33 AM
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I’m not sure you’ve thought this through. Do you realize if you get in a relationship in this scenario, the only time you have sex will be when you’re trying to have children? Are you up for having 6 - 10 children or swearing off sex until she hits menopause? Maybe you want a Duggers style family (19 kids because they don’t believe in birth control), but most people don’t. Assuming women aren’t also outlawed from working, I think they’d choose more often not to be in relationships or to marry so…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 03:26 AM
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That’s quite a different sentiment than what he said. He was focused on attractiveness, not behavior
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 04:44 PM
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What social media? You said Reddit initially. I think this behavior only occurs in the deepest, darkest holes of delusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 06:10 AM
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Maybe reality has a misandrist bias
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 04:34 AM
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I think people being outraged at men not “finding all women to be goddesses and beautiful at all sizes” comes up more as a hypothetical scenario here than anywhere else as a real situation on Reddit. Although maybe there’s some niche subreddits I don’t know about. I think most people agree you don’t have to date anyone you don’t want to, but should also try to be polite (e.g., avoid statements like “I don’t date below average men/women”) when rejecting someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 04:32 AM
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You’re resorting to ad hominem because you didn’t have a good argument and even now can’t explain or defend it. It’s okay, I think I’ve proven my point and I have to return some video tapes now.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 04:43 PM
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I think we’re talking about two different things, then. OP mentioned women wanting to “ensure their safety,” which I took more literally. But my point stands: it makes sense for both men and women to be somewhat wary when meeting a stranger for the first time. The idea that doing so filters out “good men” doesn’t really make sense to me. Unless OP is talking about extreme cases where a woman does something like demand a background check and is generally very rude. But then wouldn’t that be an ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 09:43 PM
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I’m just repeating your logic back to you. If it’s funny, maybe you should rethink some of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 08:35 PM
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I feel like you’re just saying shit without any basis in reality. A woman screaming and throwing things isn’t seen as “spicy,” she’s rightfully seen as a psychopath.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 08:29 PM
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Are you saying men generally fit into two categories: Patrick Bateman types (psychopaths) or non-psychopaths? Is your argument that men who meet a woman’s high standards are more likely to be predators than men who do not meet her standards? I’m just helping you refine your ideas
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 07:42 PM
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If I’m understanding you correctly, you think men who, on a surface level, resemble Patrick Bateman are psychopaths and the actual predators women should avoid. I’m assuming you’re thinking of high earning, organized men who take care of themselves. And men somewhat unlike this archetype are actually the “good men” women should be more open to. The problem with this idea is that the most important piece of evidence relies on these men actually being like Patrick Bateman, psychopaths. You have no…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 07:30 PM
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But you’re more likely to encounter a real predator than Patrick Bateman, who isn’t real
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 07:20 PM
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Well, I’m thinking of serial killers because some of the scenarios being discussed (walking in public, meeting up with strangers from dating apps in public) could very well involve dangerous people. Obviously, serial killers are rare. But being guarded to protect against the infinitesimal chance you are meeting up with someone with bad intentions makes sense to me, for both genders. Also, when I think of the word “predator” I think of serial killers, thieves, rapists, etc. what did you mean by “…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 07:13 PM
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Patrick Bateman is fictional. At least use real predators as examples
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 06:28 PM
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They can be conscious and analytical about it. Some are, some aren’t. There’s a wide variation in how predators (serial killers, rapists, men and women alike) operate. I can think of at least one serial killer that targeted victims who were more naive and willing to engage with strangers (Ted Bundy asking strangers for help). Someone avoiding eye contact, ignoring you vs someone accidentally making eye contact and reflexively smiling (most likely in American culture, but hopefully it illustrates…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 06:26 PM
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Why not look up data on this?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 08:50 PM
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At least they linked some research. I don’t have a belief one way or the other, and am legitimately curious to see what the science says, not anecdotes. Do you have any sources?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 08:30 PM
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For some men, the idea of having sex easily (no matter if the sex on offer isn’t good) trumps everything else. And, let’s just call a spade a spade, that is because they’ve never had sex (or haven’t had it consistently). They can’t imagine a world where sex is mundane or a meaningless commodity. But that’s the reality: anyone who has had sex long enough to understand it will tell you money has a vastly more important impact on quality of life. It’s downright naive to think otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 07:11 AM
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Not everyone’s ambition is centered around having sex. I imagine those men at Harvard are likely too busy to socialize and have loftier ambitions than sex, like a good paying career.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/24 05:52 PM
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No, I have many flaws. But I don’t feel like baring my soul to strangers with malicious intention. I provided a few surface level, but I guess that’s not enough. Should I say I don’t make enough money and I was vulnerable once, like OP did? Does that count?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 04:31 AM
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No, they weren’t. Being vulnerable one time and not having a lot of money aren’t personal failings. Self reflect and you’ll find you have plenty of real personality flaws, just as everyone does
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 11:25 PM
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I literally did start by saying I’m impatient in my comment lmao. I view it as sitting around vs getting something done, because this is coming from my perspective. But it comes across as impatient and as though I’m rushing to other people. Which is why I started by saying I’m impatient. You didn’t list a personality trait, so it’s kind of ridiculous you’re gatekeeping what are acceptable personality trait flaws.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 11:58 PM
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Most people don’t think impatience is a good thing, but okay. What’s your personality flaws?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 11:50 PM
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Did you see OP’s example? He listed faults of women, not anything about himself. I chose this particular trait because it’s the thing that likely irritates my husband the most. He likes to sit and think about something for a week or so before making a decision, I just want to rush and get it over with. Somewhere in between is probably the best approach. And you only listed physical flaws for yourself, by the way. No personality faults.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 11:42 PM
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Nah, you’ve just been consuming too much targeted content. If it proves any kind of point, I know I’m not a 10. Personally, I can be impatient. I like to get things done, and get irritated if things take too long or someone wants to sit around thinking about it for weeks before making a decision. Since OP talked about his smile, I’ll talk about a flaw in mine. My top lip is too thin and is out of proportion with my larger lower lip. It all but vanishes when I smile.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 09:13 PM
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To be fair, two of OP’s three “faults” are really not his faults, but those of the people who rejected him. This type of thread just seems like a way to expose women’s insecurities either for some humiliation kink or as a way to determine common insecurities with which to taunt women
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 07:31 PM
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Not really. I’m very aware of my own faults but why would I share them with a stranger? If a stranger came up to me in public demanding I list all my faults, the answer would be the same. It all comes down to context
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 07:07 PM
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I don’t think it’s hard. Of course women can do this. But how is it productive to the conversation? How does knowing a stranger’s perceived faults prove anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 06:17 PM
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Well, I appreciate you’re willing to do what you’re asking. But the two later “Ls” seem like more a reflection of the women, rather than actual personal failings.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 06:15 PM
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You first
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 05:16 PM
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No, most women can readily offer up things they don’t like about themselves, mentally and physically. But it seems like you just want the person you’re responding to to list out all their faults for your enjoyment. Seems almost like some kind of weird humiliation fetish
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 04:58 PM
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This is a strange response. Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 04:40 PM
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You’re resorting to ad hominem because several people pointed out you made a bad point.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 08:02 PM
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There’s no point talking with you if you’re going to be disingenuous. A 5 year age gap is not comparable to a 10 year age gap
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 07:58 PM
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You lost me. You said a 5 year age gap proved some point you made. I took that to mean you were arguing most women actually are okay with age gaps because they date men 5 years older than them (although I think the most common age gap is actually like 2-3 years). I was pointing out when people complain about age gaps they don’t mean 5 years, it’s usually more around the 8-10 mark people start having opinions.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 07:43 PM
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No, the point is most couples do not have large age gaps.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 07:35 PM
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Having a baby is one way to form a lifelong bond
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 07:17 PM
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This is disingenuous. 5 years is not the type of age gap people complain about.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 04:17 PM
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I think people are responding with what they personally see as most important
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 05:14 AM
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So that’s why people aren’t satisfied with the answers being given? They want the fantasy, not the reality
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 05:10 AM
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As long as it’s an equivalent expectation, I don’t see anything wrong with it. Or even if it’s a more “traditional” relationship where the woman is expected to be sexy and cook while the man works, not personally for me, but if it’s two consenting adults, nothing wrong with that. But when I think of relationship “responsibilities,” a lot more comes to mind than keeping the attraction going. Turns out the mundane, unsexy mechanical shit required to keep two lives functional is often just as much …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 05:03 AM
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So it’s what you specifically want
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 03:12 AM
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What do you think a “real” answer would be? I can tell you from my experience the above description fits most of the couples I know
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 03:10 AM
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Just going to share something relevant. It’s possible to clone your dog or cat now, but one thing that is now widely known about this process is even though the clone will look nearly identical to the original animal and have the same health issues, the personalities are usually quite distinct. The clone will not behave the same as the original, and this is attributed to being raised in a different environment. My point in sharing this information is to stress the importance of nurture in shapin…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 09:47 PM
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The video games with unattractive female characters or female characters with facial hair are not trying to socially engineer men into wanting ugly women lol. It’s about trying to sell products or transition to hyper realistic, finely detailed graphics (in the case of the infamous peach fuzz in Horizon Forbidden West, which had a negative response I don’t think the developers were expecting).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 07:53 PM
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Nah, it’s like one of those places - niche online chat forums
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 01:16 AM
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Then I misunderstood, think the person you were responding to may have as well
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 05:38 PM
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Some women can orgasm from PIV alone, but they are the minority
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 05:20 AM
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You’ve cherry picked studies. Here’s one explaining why some studies (a minority of studies, including the one you referenced) suggest women orgasm at a higher prevalence from PIV alone (it’s the way the questions are worded and interpreted). https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-017-1102-6 if you look at all the evidence, the consensus is most women cannot achieve orgasm unless the clitoris is stimulated in some way. Not wanting to believe this is to your detriment, if you care about…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 01:17 AM
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Do you have access to the full paper? Or just the abstract?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 01:02 AM
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So? Not all parents breastfeed. And that’s such a tiny, small aspect of raising a child, who isn’t even ready to leave the home until 18 years, that it hardly bears mentioning
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 06:48 PM
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Have you? You don’t need to have personally experienced something to understand the science behind something. I don’t need to experience gangrene to know how it happens
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 05:58 PM
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Men don’t have as many opportunities to parent as women, maybe, but that doesn’t mean they’re any more or less innately equipped to raise children
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 09:35 AM
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So are you just not going to back up your claim?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 09:19 AM
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Not AITA. That shit is so fake
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 08:34 AM
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I was disagreeing with the claim the man not having sex is the “least satisfied person in this equation.”
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 08:33 AM
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this is comically uninformed
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 08:31 AM
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It’s like when someone says they have depression and the response is, “what are you depressed about?”
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 08:28 AM
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I noticed you didn’t bother to actually provide proof, but the person you’re replying to actually did, proving you wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 08:25 AM
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Are you saying men aren’t as capable of being good parents as women are?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 07:53 AM
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I don’t think you understand how truly dissatisfying sex can be for women. “Mediocre sex” doesn’t necessarily mean no orgasm, sometimes it means pain
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 07:50 AM
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So you’re fine with people misinterpreting the truth as long as it fits your agenda.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 09:59 AM
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You created a whole thread about our conversation, disingenuously representing what I said to circle jerk in hatred over “pro circumcision feminists.” What a waste of time. There’s no use reasoning with you
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 09:55 AM
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I think it’s fair to say society doesn’t as readily recognize men as victims of sexual harassment as compared to women, but I think it’s been slowly improving in that regard
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 05:26 AM
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That’s not evidence, it’s anecdotes. Women are also sexually harassed and abused, even killed by partners. Both men and women have gender specific problems. I would suggest you don’t present it as “women bad, women don’t care” but instead: here are some issues men face that I care about and want to help with, here’s why it matters. You don’t need to make grand, sweeping claims about men actually being the majority victims of abuse and therefore women should receive no empathy. Just focus on the …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 02:55 AM
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That’s not true, but even if it wasn’t, going around asking “why should I have empathy for women?? What have you ever done to show empathy for men or boys?? Wait…why aren’t you responding positively to my approach, why don’t you have empathy for my cause?” Is never going to work. It’s too competitive and hostile, framing something as mutually exclusive (having empathy for both men’s and women’s rights) when it really isn’t. A look at your profile tells me you just don’t like women. Good luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 06:16 PM
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What have you done to defend women’s rights? Why should I have empathy for men like you when you have none for women like me?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 08:12 AM
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I mean, that’s basically what happened? Not in so many words, but I called it genital mutilation, she was offended, we drifted apart after that. Sorry I didn’t get into a physical fight over it. I handled it the way I handle all conflicts if that nature, it’s unreasonable to expect people to suddenly behave in a heroic manner when leaving their friend of over 2 decades. You have ridiculously high standards and can’t even do the bare minimum.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 01:34 AM
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If you couldn’t do anything about it, yeah? What else are you supposed to do? Fight for the death? At least in your case you could try and warn the police or the victim. It’s an unrealistic scenario and tells me you don’t know how to function in society. And basically, you expect people to fight to the death for issues you deem important while asking why you should even care for other issues. You’re unhinged and are making it more difficult for men to receive help for their issues. Seek therapy
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 01:21 AM
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Not in a dramatic scorch the earth way, but we did slowly drift apart. I notice you’re made no attempt to answer any of my criticisms
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 12:06 AM
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Actually, your post here is doing more harm than good. That aside, what were you emailing couples about?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/24 08:31 AM
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I didn’t dodge it, it got lost in the deluge. No, she didn’t listen to me. Are you going to hold that against me? Because, if so, that tells me a lot about how naive you are, especially as it pertains to things that you personally deem worth notice. And the problem is most people underestimate how much work a child is so there’s no way to know whether your spouse will hold up their end or not when faced with something no one could anticipate
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/24 08:29 AM
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Yes. How have you advocated for men and boys in your life?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/24 03:26 AM
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You seem to judge everyone as a misandrist by default, just like a woman judging every man as a misogynist by default. Toxic. So if a man marries a woman who seems sweet but then changes and beats him, it’s his fault? Shitty logic. It’s never someone’s fault for “not picking better” especially as people change over time. It’s the fault of the person in the wrong, always. For men and women. And that’s the problem: it’s not either or. You can disagree with multiple things at once. You don’t to be …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/24 03:25 AM
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How did you do that?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/24 01:15 AM
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Yes. My friend and I (both women) described it as genital mutilation to our other friend, when it came out she was circumcising her son (because her husband was worried women wouldn’t like it if he didn’t/he would be made fun of in “locker room” situations [just ick all around- it’s only America where circumcision is the norm]). I’m not saying men are the sole reason boys are circumcised, but I am saying it is clearly not a case of women abusing boys but just a general men’s issue. I think most …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/24 01:14 AM
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I was looking for examples of what you meant before responding. Can you answer my questions?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/24 01:01 AM
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You’ve given some examples (not all specific to women hurting men by the way - the only people I personally know who circumcised their son did so because the husband insisted; this is a men’s issue but not a women hurting men issue) but that doesn’t prove “men are nicer to women.” I can think of just as many gendered examples of men treating women like shit. Men have specific issues, but so do women. Both genders have issues. But claiming men have it worse is no way to get taken seriously, espec…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/24 12:19 AM
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Have you ever advocated for men’s rights? How? Have you ever stood up for a man/boy who was being mistreated by a woman/girl? How?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/24 12:11 AM
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But men behave that way too. It’s not a gendered thing. It’s not an epidemic exclusive to men, it’s something everyone experiences at times. Unnecessarily turning it into a competition just breeds hate and, ironically, takes away empathy. You have to feel empathy to receive it
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 09:57 PM
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lol how? How would you prove you had empathy for men or women? This is reading more and more like a troll post
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 09:55 PM
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This is laughably untrue. But you’re not going to receive empathy by telling people you have no empathy for them
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 06:23 PM
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Yeah, that does happen too. But what I’ve seen is men become disgusted by a woman they find unattractive posting social media, not interacting with them directly. Women can be very cruel when a man they don’t find attractive approaches them.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 06:19 PM
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Where have you seen women lack empathy? In what situations? Real life?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 06:17 PM
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Because you’re consuming media targeted to support your viewpoint. I’ve seen nothing to suggest that women would not be okay with supporting men who have experienced sexual harassment. Have you tried visiting local support groups?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 08:53 AM
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I’m a woman, and I can only assume you’re asking to discredit or dismiss me. It’s really gross you’re trying to get people to recount their sexual harassment for you just to judge them and ask why you should care. You have a startling lack of empathy and are doing nothing to further your cause
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 08:52 AM
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People who have experienced sexual harassment, abuse, violence, etc should help each other. Not try to compete for who has it worse… they should be offering advice, names of helpful services, and anything else that can help
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 08:44 AM
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I have had my ass squeezed by a stranger at a bar and worse done to me by “friends” in situations they could pretend away as accident (although other people also noticed so I know I’m not crazy). In my experience, no one reacts in a meaningful way in these situations aside from awkwardly saying things like “wait, what just happened?” “What did he say?” “Are you ok?” And then all carries on as normal. Why do you want anecdotes of sexual harassment from strangers? What is this doing for you? Do yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 08:29 AM
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Of course men are vulnerable to abuse, and it’s shit society doesn’t recognize it as readily as they do women complaining of abuse. However, the answer isn’t to take on women as adversaries, which is what MRAs thrive on. Focus on getting help for yourself rather than burning down some imaginary bogeyman
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 08:10 AM
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It’s like some men are personally offended when women don’t do everything in their power to be as attractive as possible for their sake.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 06:43 AM
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This is just world syndrome influencing your expectations. The weird quiet ones are just as prone to become abusive as the normies ones. That is, it’s hard to identify people who will become abusive
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 07:21 AM
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The first sources don’t compare violence among same sex to heterosexual relationships so they don’t support your claim. And “same” is not the same as “higher” so your own source disproves your claim. The second isn’t the actual study, but a press outlet’s interpretation with various quotes, nor do they specify whether it’s lesbians with the highest rate of violence. Can you link to the actual study?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/23 05:00 PM
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This actually isn’t true, it’s a misunderstanding of CDC data. But post a source if you have it
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/23 06:28 AM
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What pg? I don’t see it
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 05:08 AM
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No, the CDC data absolutely does not show lesbians have the highest reoccurring violence. Bisexual women do
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 04:53 AM
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You said: so 1/3 was still male violence even in lesbian relationships Incorrect. 1/3 had experienced at least ONE male perpetrator. Lesbians also have the highest rate of reocurring IPV, and have had at least 1 male partner in the past. Lesbians don’t have the highest rate of reoccurring IPV, bisexual women do
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 04:43 AM
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Bisexual women experience the most violence, based on your source. And you’ve provided no evidence, just speculation.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 04:23 AM
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Can you quote the portion that proves “the majority of the 1/3 that have had 1 assailant also have female assailants” because I’m not seeing it
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 03:26 AM
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In the study you quoted, the perpetrators include women and men. That is, the women identifying as lesbians still reported having male partners that were the source of some of the reported violence
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 05:01 PM
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This just isn’t true. The women in porn have been augmented. They’ve just been augmented in a way that appeals to most male viewers, which isn’t an overly muscular physique with a 6 pack but fit, huge fake breasts, nose job, ass implants or injections, etc. Sometimes labiaplasty.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 09:00 AM
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Most women don’t come from PIV. Those who do aren’t coming from the size…they’re coming from their clitoris being stimulated indirectly. Which is about the motion/angle, not the size. You don’t understand female sexuality
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 09:58 PM
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It’s a biological difference, in this case. https://digitalcommons.chapman.edu/psychology_articles/74/ Men orgasm much more easily. It’s almost a given. Women have a harder time, physiologically, orgasming. This isn’t a societal thing, it’s objectively biological. A man being angry and stressed about their partner not carrying their weight around the house (although it should still be addressed, obviously) will almost always still orgasm. But that’s not the case for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 09:56 PM
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You’re just out here baiting
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 06:19 PM
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If it’s not clear, the microchimerism results from the babies/pregnancy. Or some recent research suggests it can stem from their mother’s history of pregnancy: There was a tendency that girls were more likely to test positive for male microchimerism if their mothers previously had received transfusion, had given birth to a son or had had a spontaneous abortion. Furthermore, the oldest girls were more likely to test positive for male microchimerism. However, less than half of microchimerism posit…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 06:18 PM
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So you don’t even know what her husband looks like and just jumped to conclusions
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 06:01 PM
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I’d argue reading is just as, if not more so, beneficial as sports, but to each their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 04:28 AM
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As I said, most people don’t have meaningful hobbies. But I think it’s true of men as well
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 04:27 AM
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Oh look, it’s another version of the unsubstantiated myth that women don’t have meaningful hobbies. For every Instagram scrolling, reality TV binging woman, there is a man spending all his free time playing video games and watching sports. No shame for video games, sports, reality tv, Instagram, or whatever you’re into, but let’s not pretend that most people, regardless of gender, have meaningful, “respectable” hobbies. But if you have a source to support your claim related to gender differences…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 01:57 AM
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I had to back and read the whole stupid article to find this: Many took to the internet to express sympathy for the mother-of-two and unconfirmed internet rumors suggested she had killed herself across the weekend because of the public shaming Because she killed herself. Kind of missing some context. Would probably see the same with a man in this situation. Someone kills themself after public shaming, there’s generally sympathy. I can only you’re baiting
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 03:31 AM
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Where did it say that?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 09:31 PM
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Women can also be prone to violence, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 09:31 PM
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I don’t think anyone has a “docile nature” except babies lol. Men are stereotyped as more aggressive because they commit more crime and murder, but perhaps that is only because of opportunity and disproportionate strength. I can believe women may be just as aggressive as men under certain circumstances, but if you’re trying to imply they’re innately more aggressive, I don’t buy it. And for physical abuse, it seemed like men were more often perpetrators for the elderly from your source. I don’t k…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 05:58 PM
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Oh sorry, I got it backwards. But my point is, women commit 70% of non-reciprocal violence, which is half of all IPV. What’s the breakdown for reciprocal violence, which comprises the other half?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 05:51 PM
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There were like 2 sympathetic comments and it’s from Facebook of all places, where people post the most unhinged things… you can find just as much unhinged rhetoric from the opposing side on Facebook if you look (e.g., the classic women should be in the kitchen)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 05:42 AM
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Who said this was empowerment?? They’re out of their minds.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 03:16 AM
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I suppose we could eliminate anyone from both groups with psychosis (not just neonatal) then. I don’t know how many cases would be explained by people experiencing general, not neonatal, psychosis. I mentioned it because it’s a specific event that explains the behavior. Yes, I think I’ve heard that before, that the genders express aggression differently and women use more social forms (although I have no specific studies in mind, this is just from memory). It just tends to have more extreme outc…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 02:00 AM
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That does show evidence for more women killing infants, but I assume the higher rates for women at certain age groups is associated with being around children more (at that age) or neonatal psychosis. If there was a study controlling for amount of time spent with children, that would align with your suggestion. Or you could look at who murders animal/pets and the elderly more (where I think both genders likely spend equal time/have equal opportunities) to see if it aligns with your idea. I perso…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 01:32 AM
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Yes, I asked for evidence. And by evidence, meaning a peer reviewed study.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 12:00 AM
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You misread what I wrote. I was asking for a source, you didn’t give one that directly addressed your claim (related to underreporting). And I didn’t say equal underreporting…I said most evidence says girls report more sexual abuse than boys but with some evidence for underreporting (for boys) we can maybe claim actual abuse equal-although there’s no real evidence/we need more studies But the new source you provided is better and does directly address the claim of underwriting - although I would…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 11:53 PM
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Do you have a source for children under 8 being killed more often by mothers? https://news.brown.edu/articles/2014/02/filicide The relevant text: “Among offenders, while fathers were about equally likely to kill an infant, they were more likely to be the alleged murderer of children older than a year, especially when the children were adults (fathers were the offenders in 78.3 percent of those cases). Overall, fathers were the accused murderer 57.4 percent of the time.”
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 11:03 PM
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This is a nice example of why more people should be skeptical when someone references “anecdotal evidence” to support claims
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 10:56 PM
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Most of your sources address violence and underreporting of child abuse and violence in general. The first does say boys are less likely to speak up, but doesn’t provide a source. The second discusses two cases, but doesn’t present any sort of comparison by gender. It’s more of a case study. The third discusses a study so I went directly to the actual study: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1054139X1930062X They did find boys reported higher levels of abuse across various categ…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 10:38 PM
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I agree men are victims more than society acknowledges. However, a correction/clarification: women commit more IPV in relationships that are reciprocally violent. Reciprocally violent relationships comprise half of all IPV. I have not seen anyone provide the breakdown for non reciprocal violence (which is the other 50%). I know it wasn’t the focus of the study the 70% figure was established in
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 09:40 PM
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There’s also stories from young women about being taken advantage of. I have a very hard time buying most parents would overlook abuse of their children, regardless of gender. Do you have any evidence to back up these claims or is this all just conjecture based on your worldview?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 09:36 PM
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More so for men, but likely less so for young boys. It’s not the young children normally reporting, but their parents connecting the dots and reporting. This will obviously change results. Unless you have proof for this specific claim?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 09:10 PM
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Why? What’s the evidence one type of abuse is reported more than the other?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 09:06 PM
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And you think other sexual abuse (e.g., the inverse, older men abusing young girls) is reported less rarely?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 06:20 PM
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I never said anything about oppression. You’re creating a new argument to respond to. My point is the wealthy fund society, not men. Being a man doesn’t allow someone to claim they fund society unless they are also wealthy. It’s not a gender thing. It’s a class thing. But sure, let’s talk about “oppression”. Women weren’t allowed to work until relatively recently across the entirety of human history. So they have some catching up to do, which is happening slowly. We now have more women in the wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 06:19 PM
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Class differences are just as salient as gender. The wealthy fund our society, not men as a class. And give me a source for this self sufficient/tax net positive. You’re leaving out some very important (obvious) context.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 06:52 AM
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People making 2 million+ pay significantly more in taxes so you should bow down to them for funding the society you live in and benefit from.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 01:55 AM
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To be fair, I feel like a lot of posts (particularly on AITA, but relationships too) are fake
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 09:25 PM
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So if I pay more in taxes than you does that mean you owe me something? Part of my taxes go towards services you benefit from, after all
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 08:31 PM
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Out here fighting for your life
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 06:44 PM
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Lions also sometimes eat their own cubs. We’re not lions
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 06:08 PM
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Lol okay, OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:55 PM
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It’s not an “opinion,” it’s how research works
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:51 PM
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Okay, but as a psych major you should understand why the survey measure matters. Researchers do look at the definitions provided to understand constructs, but when there’s any confusion and when getting down to the most detailed understanding possible, they always look at the items. Because that’s what the data is gathered with. The data isn’t gathered with the researcher’s definition, it’s gathered with the items and rhe participants’ understanding of them. “entitled to pleasure from a male bod…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:48 PM
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The more egregious the misunderstanding, the more satisfaction I feel in correcting it. Do you understand why the survey measure itself is important?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:36 PM
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Too much spare time and the joy of correcting people who misunderstand research to support their worldviews. He didn’t even bother to look at the survey measure itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:28 PM
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I think you’re in the minority with your view (or you’re OP), but you’re entitled to your opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:15 PM
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I don’t think so. Just stubborn and bad with nuance
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:04 PM
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And he learned nothing
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 04:45 PM
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Why don’t we talk about the meaning of entitlement? And the survey items used?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 07:08 AM
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I never lied, it’s right there in the table. In conclusion, once more, the authors state: ”Also, at the beginning of the study, young women reported more sense of entitlement than young men, and older participants reported more entitlement relative to younger participants. However, we found no evidence that the average pattern of increase in entitlement differed between young men and women or differed between groups differentiated by their sexual behavior histories. When all of these findings ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 06:49 AM
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I’m not going to explain why you’re wrong yet again. Go to bed
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 06:45 AM
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And you misunderstood me again. I knew it was from the study, but I pointed out you left out information. Then added that information. Hence why I said it’s funny how meaning changes when you add context. You didn’t understand me. Let’s not forget you’re ignoring the actual survey items to make this have an entirely different premise
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 06:36 AM
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You’re again misunderstanding the authors and me. I’ve been saying the same thing over and over. I’ve been consistent and factually interpreting the results without an agenda. The effect was only significant at one time point, which aligns with the authors saying gender differences may go away with time. You’ve been spinning in circles trying to make it mean something it doesn’t. No use arguing with you about it anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 06:31 AM
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It’s funny how meaning changes when you leave out information: ”This also suggests that young people may start to converge on a similar level of entitlement resulting in less difference by gender and age over time.” This is what I’ve been saying this whole time, from my first comment
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 06:25 AM
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No, because even if all the gender effects were significant the actual survey items don’t ask respondents anything close to whether they feel “entitled to bodies.”
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 06:21 AM
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This is a different analysis. I’m glad you’ve learned what * means, but it’s not what we’ve been discussing. The difference still wasn’t significant at T2.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 06:10 AM
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We were discussing the table you yourself referenced (and misunderstood). It’s not goal posting if we’re discussing the exact same point we’ve been discussing from my first comment. The authors themselves concluded: T1 age was associated with a greater sense of entitlement to sexual partner pleasure at T1, but age was not significantly associated with T2 entitlement or efficacy. The same pattern of correlations was found when examined separately for young men and young women Meaning gender wasn’…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 06:05 AM
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They had an effect at T1 so yes, they can claim a significant effect. But it’s not significant at t2 which is what I’ve been saying this whole time. Might even want to consider why they mention time in the bit you quoted, hmm?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:45 AM
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https://hbr.org/2016/02/a-refresher-on-statistical-significance Although “refresher” is optimistic in this case
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:43 AM
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Do you understand now?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:38 AM
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To me and the authors and anyone with a basic understanding of statistics
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:37 AM
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The difference wasn’t significant at T2, as indicated by the non-significant t-value. It’s in table 1.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:30 AM
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Did you look at the table you mentioned in your previous comment? Do you understand p-values? Do you understand the meaning of * in the table?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:22 AM
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You’re misinterpreting their meaning. Even if you weren’t, the data are based on those items.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:21 AM
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It wasn’t significant at T2
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:15 AM
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Look up the actual survey items when debating the study’s meaning. Sexual entitlement was measured with the following items: If a partner were to ignore my sexual needs and desires, I’d feel hurt It would bother me if a sexual partner neglected my sexual needs and desires I would expect a sexual partner to be responsive to my sexual needs and feelings 17. I think it is important for a sexual partner to consider my sexual pleasure
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:12 AM
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Women’s entitlement was (ETA, since apparently it needs to be specified: significantly) greater at T1 only (not at T2, the second time point) meaning women have greater sexual entitlement under certain conditions, not always.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:02 AM
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Any evidence for this or is it just your feelings? Men are just as motivated to fake data/publish “interesting” findings to get tenure and other benefits. Motivation doesn’t stem from gender dynamics, it stems from pursuing raises and prestige. And if I had to hazard a guess as to who is most interested in pursuing prestige….
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 12:15 AM
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Got it, thank you
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 07:18 PM
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lol. Not what psychological safety means
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 06:59 PM
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I could be missing something, but I’m specifically wondering about differences in sentencing. Is there information about that in there I’m missing?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 06:25 PM
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Right. People, regardless of gender, aren’t very good at selling themselves. Loyalty is the bare minimum from a man or woman. They’re not wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 07:14 AM
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No idea. I have no idea the percentage of women who feel the effects of their boyfriends making an effort, either. Not sure where you’re going with this. Are you saying women make less effort than men in relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 04:08 AM
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Depends on the relationship. But making effort looks the same for both genders, in my opinion. Making time for the other person, doing kind things - could be cooking, could be buying something nice (but doesn’t have to involve money), planning a special date, etc. it’s not really a gendered thing
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 04:01 AM
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No, as long as you don’t make her feel bad about herself/advertise your preferences to her, which would be insensitive
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 03:55 AM
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That sounds like men’s answers too though
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 03:51 AM
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I don’t disbelieve you (on its face, it makes sense), but do you mind providing a source? I see this claim a lot but haven’t seen the supporting studies yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 12:39 AM
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I think it’s only fair if the husband is willing to do some sort of painful genital procedure as well. Maybe a few decorative stitches?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 10:05 PM
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Good, the hospital sounds necessary. Let them take care of you and find something interesting to occupy your time. Like a lively PPD debate or book
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 05:49 AM
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Take care of yourself. Rest as much as you can. Drink a lot of fluids.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 04:38 AM
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You’re right, this idea of step fathers as “beta” is something I’ve only seen online. It’s a disconnected take. I also think, in addition to being older men or divorcees, single or coparenting divorced dads are also more likely to date single moms given they’ll understand each other better. Young guys on here don’t really need to think about single moms so much. You don’t have to date anyone you don’t want to
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 08:50 PM
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Exactly! I know a lot of people who really love a stepparent or stepparents who really love their step kids. It’s not cool when people try to diminish those relationships when they can make a lasting impact on both the children and step parent
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 08:43 PM
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I’m not saying people need to date single parents at all. But don’t shame people who are and call them “beta”
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 08:42 PM
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When people talk about step men being beta, they miss the societal implications. Think of the positive impact they can have on young men, who are currently struggling. But no, fuck them kids seems like the mentality around here
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 07:30 PM
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How do you spot the gold digging mindset? What does it look like?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 07:24 PM
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Believing in fresh and fit is like believing in Santa
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 03:54 PM
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Both women and men can absolutely make themselves look bad. You’re creating a false argument that’s easier to respond to than what I said
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 06:02 AM
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“Statistically” sure, share some sources
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 12:20 AM
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But toxic women are also cheaters, meaning they also bang 1000s of chadly men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 11:38 PM
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Fresh and Fit pre select their guests. There are no genuine conversations, no uncontrolled environments. Don’t be surprised the guests reinforce the narrative when they handpick them and have editing power (assuming these are edited).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 09:57 PM
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“Feminists” aren’t complaining about stay at home women doing more house chores. Working women are complaining about doing more house chores than their husband despite working similar hours
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 09:52 PM
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Solipsism/projection (is his proof)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 09:40 PM
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This seems relevant: http://gynodiversity.com/uploads/Classification_of_the_anatomical_variation_in_female_external_genitalia.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 12:59 AM
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To my knowledge, yes. I’m sure I could find some stats on vag shapes that might be helpful lol. Wouldn’t be the weirdest stat I’ve pulled up on here My point in bringing it up is just to point out that saying one particular shape is “common” can sort of sound like one shape is “normal” and another is not. So-called “Barbie” vulva are also normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 12:54 AM
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Just based on conversations I’ve read on places like Reddit or had with friends and my own body. Short (small or short? Don’t know the appropriate term) labia don’t seem that uncommon
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 12:49 AM
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Do the majority of women have larger/longer labia? I agree that women with larger labia shouldn’t be shamed, and larger labia are common, but how do you know it’s the most common? Many women have short/small labia too. I wouldn’t say it’s uncommon.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 12:37 AM
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Right. But Reddit doesn’t do well with nuance
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 09:12 PM
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Not sure how that relates to what I said at all. I made no comment on the content of what you said, just the strangeness of calling something “ironic” as though it’s been posted by the same person when it’s literally different people
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 04:09 PM
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Still ironic. The difference between most and all is usually lost on most people
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 04:07 PM
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How is it ironic if it’s literally different people posting? Are you so lost in the sauce you can’t recognize there isn’t one giant female hive man?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 07:27 AM
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This rhetoric is troubling. Did you know most non reciprocal violence is perpetrated by women? Is it the fault of the men who have experienced such violence for picking such women?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 07:25 AM
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Ah, here you are speaking on behalf of all men after complaining about women speaking on behalf of all women. Ironic. Neither gender is a monolith.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 07:22 AM
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Indirectly, it does. It examines the rate of violence experienced, and the sex of the perpetrator, by gender. In other words, the CDC survey had women and men report the amount of IPV they experienced as well as report the sex of the perpetrators. See pg. 7 of this PDF (the executive summary) for more information: https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/nisvs_sofindings.pdf I can’t speak to “all other data” but this other CDC survey indicates most men experience female perpetrated violence an…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 01:01 AM
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It’s probably been said, but the sex would suck. Bad sex for men is often just “mediocre” sex that still led to an orgasm. Bad sex for women is painful sex without even a hope of orgasm, possibly even tearing and bleeding. So some men have a hard idea understanding why sex isn’t any sort of prize for women a lot of times
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 06:43 AM
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I have always disagreed with the idea of a “wall” and that dating gets harder for the average woman and easier for the average man after a certain age. However, it does occur to me now that, for both sexes, if you’re single in your thirties (and not dating significantly younger people) you’ll have a smaller pool available to you. Many people pair off in their 20s
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 11:17 PM
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Sluts are women that will sleep with anyone except you
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 03:57 AM
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If you’re set on a diamond and want to save some money, lab grown is likely the best choice. Glass won’t last as long as diamond
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 06:50 AM
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I don’t think it’s a gender specific thought process. It’s a result of the just world fallacy
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 06:38 AM
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People contain multitudes
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 08:54 PM
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That’s half of all violence, and perhaps there’s a reason one gender would be more of a perpetrator in one type of violence and not the other. But the data doesn’t provide enough context to make conclusions here. The CDC data discussion revolves around sexual orientation. I can think of one theory why lesbian women would have mostly male aggressors. Maybe they became less interested in men (e.g., maybe they initially identified as straight or bisexual) because they were more likely to have exper…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 05:22 PM
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Right. But, to expand, I believe the CDC study focuses specifically on partner initiated violence. So that 70% figure wouldn’t apply. It could also be sample differences, in addition to how the questions are worded, which is why you can’t try and combine findings from two different studies. If the findings from the studies don’t reconcile, you need replication
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 03:48 PM
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Non reciprocal violence is one form of violence, not all violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 05:55 AM
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Thank you. This misinterpretation is so prevalent at this point
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 02:48 AM
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For whatever reason, this common misinterpretation of the CDC study really grinds my gears. You didn’t post the full stat: The CDC also stated that 43.8% of lesbian women reported experiencing physical violence, stalking, or rape by their partners. The study notes that, out of those 43.8%, two thirds (67.4%) reported exclusively female perpetrators
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 02:48 AM
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It’s definitely good practice to invest about half or so of any landfall, if possible. Travel is also worth it, in my opinion
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 04:19 AM
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Sounds nice. Rates are out of control, but hopefully the trend will begin reversing soon.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 03:22 AM
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What kind of house do you want? Hopefully, the mortgage interest rates will begin dropping some time soon
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 03:17 AM
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I think cosmetic surgery can be a wise investment
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 03:09 AM
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Another wise choice. Jaw surgery can make a huge difference for people
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 03:07 AM
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Wise choice
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 03:07 AM
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There’s actually not. The “multiple studies” you think you know are likely from posts like the OP misinterpreting the data
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 03:03 AM
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If you had 50k to burn, what would you purchase? When I’ve been drinking, cloning my dog seems like the obvious choice (but I wouldn’t do that for ethical reasons). I just really love my dog
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 03:02 AM
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No. Are you projecting?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 08:22 AM
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People here don’t care for science. If it doesn’t support their view, there’s a reason to dismiss it. If it does, it’s infallible. People here want their views confirmed, not challenged. Although to be fair that’s everyone, unless they’re involved in research. And even then, they’re not always immune to the same biases
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 07:14 AM
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Is it wrong to translate this as wahhhhhh?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 07:13 AM
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This list and the perception it represents privilege is pathetic. There’s no other word for it. If exchange hugs and compliments for power and money any day
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 06:55 AM
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A bit late, but what is the “data on feminism”?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 06:52 AM
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No. You can reproduce without making your partner your whole identity. You realize making your partner your whole purpose is a new concept, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 06:51 AM
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I was coming to comment this too. Not that this speaks to broader “real life” experiences, but a few predatory age gap relationships with older women - younger men exist in Hollywood and I’ve randomly stumbled across threads on Reddit where the people berating the predatory older woman seem to be other women. Maybe it’s not that older women care more about older man - younger women relationships, but they just care more about age gap relationships in general? Possibly because they’re more likely…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 01:41 AM
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This sounds like you’re saying people have no control over themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 05:30 AM
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https://news.brown.edu/articles/2014/02/filicide The relevant text: “Among offenders, while fathers were about equally likely to kill an infant, they were more likely to be the alleged murderer of children older than a year, especially when the children were adults (fathers were the offenders in 78.3 percent of those cases). Overall, fathers were the accused murderer 57.4 percent of the time.”
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 03:00 PM
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Well, I ask because men are actually more likely to kill children than women. It’s a common misconception
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 12:33 AM
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Do you mean abortion?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 11:40 PM
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Well, it’s not analogous to men complaining on Reddit because it’s two different generations. A better comparison would be tik tok or something
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 09:09 PM
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I was under the impression most younger generations don’t watch day time TV
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 06:25 PM
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The majority do not have solely joint accounts according to this: https://www.bankrate.com/banking/reasons-for-married-couples-to-consider-separate-bank-accounts/
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 06:23 PM
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Do you have a source? Most couples I know have a mix of separate and joint accounts.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 05:48 PM
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What do you mean by daytime talk?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 05:45 PM
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This isn’t a fair mindset. It should be about hours worked, not pay brought home. Split chores based on the times you have or be ready for resentment to (rightfully) brew
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 04:04 PM
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That’s a critique of gender roles. Not blaming all the problems of society on something. How do men experience catharsis differently? Is this conclusion based on science? I also think it’s a projection of your understanding of current society to conclude masculine expectations started to protect men from women. The phrase “man up” originally came from football. You don’t have to speculate, there’s historians and researchers who have studied these phenomena.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 02:30 AM
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Who is blaming the overarching faults of society on patriarchy? That’s a straw man.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 01:58 AM
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Patriarchy didn’t create electricity and cars and roads and modern medicine. That’s like saying communism is good because it gave us the anthrax vaccine. Inventions were created during certain periods of rule/societal organizations, not because of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 01:31 AM
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Sometimes even if the man cares and is doing his best, the women can have something like vaginismus making it painful. It’s just an unfortunate biological reality. Men are more likely to physically enjoy sex. It’s not necessarily someone’s fault. But it’s a luxury to consider sex mediocre if the orgasm wasn’t 10/10 when having an orgasm at all can be novel for many
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 04:40 AM
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If having a lackluster orgasm constitutes mediocre sex for you, many would be envious. For many women, simply not having painful intercourse is mediocre sex
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 02:15 AM
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Depends on how they react. It very well could mean they’re not a good person and would not make a good partner
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 03:49 PM
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I agree with that. Unless someone has a study to contradict me, I don’t think attractiveness and tendency to mistreat your partner are related. But I don’t think people pick attractive people because they think all men are an asshole so why not pick the hot asshole. I think they pick attractive people because they’re attractive. Both men and women prefer attractive partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 03:49 PM
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No, that’s not what I’m implying or what I’ve said. You’re suggesting unattractive people are less likely to be toxic than attractive people which just isn’t true. It doesn’t mean attractive or unattractive men are both inherently toxic, it means picking an unattractive “boring” man doesn’t mean you’re more likely to end up with a more reliable, less toxic person. This is true for both genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 03:24 PM
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Right, but there’s a difference between being upset but coping in a healthy way vs. reacting in an unhealthy way and blaming and vilifying everyone else
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 03:22 PM
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Are you implying I said any of those things? I didn’t. You’re responding to a different argument you’ve constructed yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 02:24 PM
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No, I don’t think that’s true. Not everyone here is single, of course. And I’m sure men in relationships have empathy for single men. My response wasn’t a personal attack. I’ve seen some fairly toxic people on here, and selecting a “nice”, reliable partner (not sure those are what you meant by “right traits”) would exclude the loudest and most bitter of them
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 02:23 PM
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There seems to be this idea that “boring” nice guys who are average or below average in looks will be nicer, better partners. But I don’t think that’s true. People, women and men, who have been looked over for much of their life may deal with it in a healthy manner. But they may also become unhinged and toxic (as we see from some of the very posters who frequent this sub)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 04:08 AM
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Why do you assume the “boring” nice and unattractive people of the world are less likely to be toxic and mistreat their partners?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 04:05 AM
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What are the “right traits”? My hunch is even if women selected on the “right traits” it wouldn’t lead to the men complaining about not being selected being selected
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 04:00 AM
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I agree communication could definitely be part of the issue (and often is), and it’s incumbent on the unhappy person to speak up to resolve their unhappiness. If their partner doesn’t want to work through it, then there’s a problem. Generally blaming someone isn’t a great way to fix something. But it does depend on the specific situation as well
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 11:49 PM
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Yeah, I guess it would be helpful to be more specific. I was thinking women with vaginismus or who need lube or have a low sex drive - issues that can be fixed with steps the woman herself would likely need to take (e.g., maybe she’s on anti depressants suppressing her libido and needs to adjust them) - are the equivalent of men who have issues sustaining an erection.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 11:11 PM
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If we’re talking about vaginismus, as has been discussed elsewhere in the thread, it’s a medical issue that typically requires some kind of intervention (seeking outside help). It’s recognized as very much a personal condition and seems implausible anyone would blame a partner for it. Or are you talking about a different issue?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 10:24 PM
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I don’t think anyone has ever said painful intercourse is because of a lack of attraction. It’s because of a lack of care. And it would be shitty to make someone feel bad for struggling with something like that, but painful intercourse doesn’t equate to struggling to get an erection. It’s probably more accurate to equate a woman that has issues becoming aroused (maybe even vaginismus) and fails to go forward with intercourse at all with having a hard time getting an erection. Painful intercourse…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 08:29 PM
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Thank you for providing studies!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 02:23 AM
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I’m not here to defend the study. But has anyone here read it? They may have addressed this very issue. Actually, does anyone know the name of it?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 02:22 AM
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I’m sorry. I assumed you meant this January. I hope things are better for you now and your kid is doing well
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 12:34 AM
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In sum: you ignored my explanation of the CDC data, then began to say it wasn’t a good source once I explained why it doesn’t indicate lesbian perpetuated violence is the highest. You linked two web sites rather than scientific articles, none of which conclude there is a significant difference in violence between lesbian and heterosexual relationships. In fact, you disagreed with your own source on this point! And, I’ll add, never even linked to the original source, which is problematic in itsel…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 04:35 PM
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Ahhhhh you admit it’s not a meta analysis!!! If you can’t even admit or recognize whether something is a certain technique or published in a reputable journal, you have no credibility! Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 06:13 AM
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Do you understand no one in the academic community or any training at all would ever recognize that article as a published meta analysis?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 06:10 AM
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Meta analysis does not mean qualitatively summarize. It means quantitatively summarize. But alright. You will remain willfully ignorant
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 06:02 AM
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You won’t listen to me, but I thought you might listen to chat gpt. Honestly, it really irritates me when I know someone is objectively wrong but they just don’t want to listen to me. I thought you might listen to chat gpt: This appears to be a passage discussing the prevalence, characteristics, and challenges of lesbian partner violence. It's not a meta-analysis itself but seems to be summarizing findings from various studies on the topic. If you have any questions or need more information abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 05:49 AM
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No
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 05:43 AM
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Do you use chat gpt and do you trust it?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 05:35 AM
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Nope. It’s not published. And it’s not a meta analysis. You are confidently incorrect.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 05:03 AM
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It’s only been one day. Universities can require peer review, if they run some sort of journal (the Harvard Business Review). This is not that. It’s a “fact sheet” posted on a website, aka an unpublished, unpeer reviewed literature review. The unpublished literature review references percentages from other studies, but it does not combine them or synthesize them in anyway. Hence no meta analysis. And if it was a meta analysis, they would need to tell us how it was conducted (what statistical tec…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 04:51 AM
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I can’t tell if you’re trolling or you’re just actually like this. Either way, it’s entertaining. Want to direct me to the part where the meta analysis takes place?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 04:44 AM
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It’s not published in a scientific journal. Anyone referencing a “published” paper would understand that. You know why? Because journals require peer review, posting on a web site (university or no) does not. What journal is it published in? And want to direct me to exactly where the meta analysis takes place?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 04:39 AM
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I’m glad you understand now and are mature enough to recognize you were wrong and learned something. I’m grateful I could help you learn.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 04:33 AM
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Your source isn’t a meta analysis because this is your source, an unpublished literature review: How common is lesbian partner violence? About 17-45% of lesbians report having been the victim of a least one act of physical violence perpetrated by a lesbian partner (1,5,6,13). Types of physical abuse named by more than 10% of participants in one study included: Disrupting other�s eating or sleeping habits Pushing or shoving, driving recklessly to punish, and slapping, kicking, hitting, or biting …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 04:31 AM
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Ohhh. So you did understand my point about the CDC data. You “disproving” it was posting a link to a “meta analysis,” I’m assuming. I’m glad you at least eventually understood what I was saying about the CDC data - which does not show lesbians perpetrate more domestic violence than other groups - and taking into account the gender of the perpetrator.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 04:27 AM
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Just for fun… Reporting percentages from other studies isn’t meta-analyzing them. You actually have to combine the raw data in some way. Here’s an example: https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2019.03087 Notice how it has a methods and results section?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 04:14 AM
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Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 04:08 AM
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How did you disprove my argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 04:06 AM
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A meta-analysis is a statistical analysis that combines the results of multiple scientific studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 04:06 AM
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And yes, I was reposting my original comment to explain my argument and then your own argument “disproving it” to you!! How dense can you be
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 04:00 AM
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Oh my god. You think a literature review is a meta analysis. No. You posted a domestic lesbian violence fact sheet. A meta analysis would be published in scientific journal and uses a statistical technique to combine quantitate data together. A literature review is not a meta analysis. Jesus. Alright, you’re either too ignorant to recognize your ignorance, a bot, or a troll. I’m out
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 03:58 AM
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I think I proved you wrong so now you’re just lying. The first link isn’t a meta lol. And you haven’t disproved anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 03:50 AM
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You made the claim this statement: Sex of Perpetrator of Intimate Partner Violence • Most bisexual and heterosexual women (89.5% and 98.7%, respectively) reported having only male perpetrators of intimate partner violence. Two-thirds of lesbian women (67.4%) reported having only female perpetrators of intimate partner violence. Only referred to instances of IPV perpetrated by a SINGLE man. I’m pointing out no, it refers to situations that could include one or multiple perpetrators. You’re making…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 03:43 AM
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Look at Figure 1. They’ve divided the different sexual orientations into whether they had 1, 2, or 3 or more partners that perpetuated sexual violence other than rape. Now read the executive summary. If the executive summary was only referring to “1” male partner, the numbers should correspond to the numbers reported in Figure 1. We’d expect to see a much lower number for bisexual women. But we don’t. For instance, only 32.3% bisexual women report having 1 male partner that perpetrated sexual vi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 01:43 AM
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So you’re interpreting it to mean something it doesn’t explicitly say. What if I told you looking at figure 1 indicates that they must be using “only men (possibly plural, could be one),” “only women (possibly plural, could be one),” or “men and women” or else the number breakdown in figure 1 doesn’t make sense? And are you just not providing it because you don’t think it will help you?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 01:28 AM
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Are you referring to this? Sex of Perpetrator of Intimate Partner Violence • Most bisexual and heterosexual women (89.5% and 98.7%, respectively) reported having only male perpetrators of intimate partner violence. Two-thirds of lesbian women (67.4%) reported having only female perpetrators of intimate partner violence. • The majority of bisexual men (78.5%) and most heterosexual men (99.5%) reported having only female perpetrators of intimate partner violence. Most gay men (90.7%) reported havi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 01:17 AM
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It’s not bad faith, you’re just misunderstanding my source. I hope you’re referencing this one? https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/nisvs_sofindings.pdf And to be clear, I’m referring to the executive summary where they note “…report having only male perpetrators.” Nowhere does it say “SINGLE male perpetrator.” If you have that info, tell me where it is. And I’m asking for specific sources because otherwise I’ll have to go digging through the entire reference list of the websites you link…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 12:42 AM
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You haven’t even looked at figure 1. I’ve already explained it’s not SINGLE gender/1 person- it’s perpetrated by ONLY men or women. Quit lying about what the source says. And you’ve provided no sources. I’m waiting for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 12:23 AM
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Huh? You’ve misunderstood my point. My whole point has been people assume lesbians perpetrate more violence against other lesbians than men perpetrate against heterosexual or bisexual women. But actually, bisexual women experience the most violence by men. And we cannot conclude lesbians experience more lesbian perpetrated violence than heterosexual women experience men perpetrated violence. It’s not that hard to understand. I’ve even used numbers for you. We do not know the remaining gender bre…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 12:13 AM
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I never made a claim about lesbians experiencing more male than female perpetrators. I said we don’t know the remaining genders of the perpetrators so we can’t assume. It’s like 100 pages. Provide me a direct quote so I can explain how it relates to the specific figures we’re discussing. And yes, you can use meta analysis…when the sourced studies have the same methodology. If the linked studies don’t even describe the gender of the perpetrators, unless we know for certain it’s specifically about…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 11:47 PM
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It doesn’t mean ONLY one man or woman. It means ONLY men or women have been perpetrators of violence in the incidents of IPV reported. The categories are only men (which can men you experienced multiple instances of violence, all at the hands of different men) only women, and men and women. I’m not sure where you’re getting the “3 partners” number from. The fact you’re disagreeing with your own source and now dismissing the CDC when I’ve made my point is convenient. A lot of your sources provide…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 11:02 PM
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They don’t tell us the remaining breakdown of IPV violence experienced by lesbians (a) only perpetrated by male partners and (b) violence perpetrated by male and female partners. We’re working with what we have. In sum, you can’t conclude lesbians experience more IPV perpetrated by other lesbians than heterosexual women experience perpetrated by men or bisexual women experience perpetrated by other men. because the data does not show that. Unless you have data from the CDC breaking down the rema…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 10:10 PM
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But if we removed the percentage of lesbians experiencing IPV that was perpetrated by men, the number (43.8%) would drop. That figure includes only male perpetrators, only female perpetrators, and instances of women and male perpetrators. The same is true for the bisexual and heterosexual categories. If we removed only male perpetrators of violence, the rate of IPV for bisexual and heterosexual women would plummet. But if we removed only women perpetrators, it would remain fairly similar. The CD…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 09:27 PM
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I’m pointing out there are multiple types of violence. If we look across all of them (the CDC classifies them as rape, sexual violence other than rape, intimate partner violence, stalking, and physical violence), lesbians experience the most violence in only one scenario (intimate partner violence). And in the case of IPV: 43.8% lesbian - 67.4% reported only female perpetrators of violence: do you understand the remaining categories would be only men OR men and women (but we do not have that dat…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 09:01 PM
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“About as common can mean a lot of things” it certainly doesn’t mean that lesbians experience more violence..
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 08:32 PM
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Your first source says: Violence appears to be about as common among lesbian couples as among heterosexual couples Am I missing something about stating it’s higher?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 08:24 PM
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I took out the percentages because I was jumbling genders trying to explain. It’s lifetime prevalence. Do you know what means? Are you saying in most other cases of intimate partner violence it’s likely 2 than more perpetrators were involved? Il You recognize IPV is one form of violence? Why are you disregarding rape and severe physical violence, where heterosexual women and bisexual women score higher?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 08:23 PM
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What other data???? You haven’t linked any that definitively states lesbians experience more violence, and one of the best sources we have (CDC national intimate partner violence), I’ve linked. I have edited my posts to be clearer/add info, but I don’t remember removing anything about that. But if you want to talk about it… I have an updated CDC study about it
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 08:15 PM
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The study linked directly above doesn’t separate out by sexual orientation, so they’re just concluding across all groups of women (across all sexualities) that the majority of perpetrators are male. And you say fewer women are lesbians so raw frequencies aren’t helpful, which fair enough, but I’ve also linked to the CDC study which breaks down rates of violence by sexual orientation. Which again shows lesbians aren’t abusing other lesbians at the highest rates.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 08:11 PM
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Since you won’t read the pertinent bits, I’ve copied them here: Most bisexual and heterosexual women (98.3% and 99.1%, respectively) who experienced rape in their lifetime reported having only male perpetrators. Estimates for sex of perpetrator of rape for other groups (lesbian women, gay and bisexual men) were based upon numbers too small to calculate a reliable estimate and, therefore, are not reportable. The majority of lesbian, bisexual, and heterosexual women (85.2%, 87.5%, and 94.7%, respe…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 08:07 PM
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Your first source says: Violence appears to be about as common among lesbian couples as among heterosexual couples Am I missing something about stating it’s higher? And, sorry, where is my claim about rates of violence against heterosexual men vs heterosexual women? If you want to dive into it, we can, but I’m mostly trying to address your claim lesbian women experience and perpetrate the most violence
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 08:02 PM
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You ignored the sex of the perpetrators in those instances, which was my whole point…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 07:48 PM
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Also you ignored the sex of the perpetrators in those instances, which was my whole point…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 07:48 PM
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Here’s one that goes into more detail about number and sex of perpetrators: https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/nisvs_report2010-a.pdf It specifically says: Across all types of violence, the majority of female victims reported that their perpetrators were male That categorically disproves the idea lesbian women are the most violence/experiencing the most violence at the hands of women
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 07:44 PM
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I’m very familiar with the study and I’ve had this conversation many times. Please read the executive summary. You’re the one not understanding it. Also, please re read my response, I’ve since added responses to your sources.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 07:38 PM
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I’m not ignoring anything. Of course women were the primary perpetrators of violence in the cases of heterosexual men who experienced violence, just as men were the primary perpetrators of violence in the cases of heterosexual women who experienced violence: In contrast, 35% of heterosexual women reported having been victim of intimate partner violence, with 98.7% of them reporting male perpetrators exclusively Remember, I’m talking specifically about lesbian women and a specific misunderstood s…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 07:15 PM
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Sure, here’s a comment I’ve posted before explaining: Just because I often see this statistic misinterpreted and used as proof women are inherently more likely to perpetrate domestic violence, I’ll add that the perpetrator of violence in each of these cases isn’t necessarily the gender the reporting person is sexually attracted to. From the CDC/the Wikipedia on same sex intimate partner violence: The CDC also stated that 43.8% of lesbian women reported experiencing physical violence, stalking, o…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 06:30 PM
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How do you know male vs female orgasms are so different? Studies show both genders describe them similarly and the same parts of the brain activate. Women do generally have longer lasting orgasms though Edited to add links: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00289562 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/hbm.20733
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 06:17 PM
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The idea that lesbian women have the highest rate of domestic violence is actually incorrect. It’s the result of people misinterpreting a CDC study. They didn’t provide enough detail about the gender of the perpetrators to draw the conclusion lesbians perpetuate more violence
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 06:07 PM
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People take it to extremes for every ideology. But fair enough
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 04:52 PM
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I know you’re not a mod. You wanted examples so I linked one. I’m not saying people shouldn’t be allowed to say things like in the post I linked. The whole point of this forum is to debate, not to be an echo chamber. The point of my last comment was it’s a common enough sentiment I’m sure I’ll come across more. And like I said, it wasn’t the best example. I agree that people who want a lot of children should get started well before their mid 30s. But I’ve also seen people take it too far, spread…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 04:34 PM
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Thought what? I didn’t actively save any of the comments/threads I was thinking of, and the specific comment I had in mind was deleted. But here’s one thread: https://reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/pnWBLOUuNY This isn’t the best example, but I can link you the next one I come across if you want?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 04:23 PM
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Chances of becoming sterile, rather than chances of becoming pregnant. Pregnancy is more likely. Use birth control if you don’t want children
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 04:08 AM
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You don’t believe me?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 01:10 AM
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The one that immediately comes to mind was deleted. But I know I’ve seen it more than a handful of times
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 01:06 AM
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Congratulations! Hope you’re all doing well
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 01:02 AM
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I’ve read at least a few comments or threads implying, if not outright stating, it’s borderline impossible for women in their 30s to have children. I don’t think it’s necessarily a common belief, but I’ve seen it enough to start to wonder how widespread it is
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 12:59 AM
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It does, but the point I’m trying to make is “drop sharply” doesn’t mean impossible. In fact, it’s still more likely, than less likely, a pregnancy will occur over a period of time (as some people will interpret it)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 12:57 AM
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This is exactly the type of rhetoric I was thinking of. It’s a great way to encourage people to become unintentional parents
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 12:20 AM
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Yeah, reality would easily disprove this idea and I agree it’s likely a scare tactic. I’ve just read one too many posts/comments in the past week or so outright saying or alluding to the idea it’s very difficult, if not impossible, for a woman to become pregnant in her 30s. I’m starting to wonder if some people actually believe it
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 11:27 PM
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You would think so. I think it’s mostly people in their late teens/early 20s who genuinely believe this
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 11:23 PM
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I haven’t seen as much of that, at least not on PPD. I usually see discussion of male fertility brought up in reply to discussion of female fertility.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 11:16 PM
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It definitely does start to decline. That’s true. I made this comment thinking of people who take it to extremes
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 11:15 PM
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There’s this rhetoric in redpill spaces that women can’t become pregnant in their 30s/it’s borderline impossible. Whatever the motivation, it’s dangerous. If you don’t worry about birth control because of this belief, you’re more likely to have a child than not.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 11:08 PM
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It’s to support the child, not the women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 06:06 AM
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This will never happen. The government doesn’t care how you feel, it’s decided someone has to pay for that child. And the government will do anything in its power to avoid paying. As such, it will be who made child.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 06:03 AM
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I am genuinely curious- in what way does the left discriminate against straight white men?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 06:12 AM
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Well, that’s disappointing. It has gone to more opinion pieces.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 05:13 PM
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It’s based on a study of wolves in captivity
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 04:59 PM
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One male equivalent of astrology is the alpha/beta dating dynamic views
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 03:28 PM
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Why has Scientific America “fallen from glory”? Is it because they’ve published posts by experts that cast doubt on your worldview? Related: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/four-fallacies/
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 03:24 PM
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Ah, you said 2 examples so I assumed. But you’re saying everyone you know. But you’re assuming they’ve told you everything, and 2/50 is an anomaly. Respectfully, it’s an anecdote
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 01:18 PM
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A sample size of 2 won’t let you run any meaningful analyses. Too low power. It tells you nothing
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 05:37 AM
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What about a kid with each sexual partner Nick Cannon style?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 05:31 AM
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Again. What makes "people" so special they can't be categorized appropriately? There is no perception, there only "is." I have no involvement in the choices of a nut bucket You were talking about a “nut bucket” which I took to mean promiscuous women based on your earlier comments, but that’s not what you meant? And it wasn’t a lie, I genuinely couldn’t find a comment of mine using the word incel because I don’t commonly use it. Apologies for overlooking one instance of its use (160 days ago). Bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 11:09 PM
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Okay so apparently I’ve said it once but that hardly constitutes “riddled with use.” You’ll notice I used it in the context of calling a story fake, rather than telling a wide swath of men they’re incels
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 10:57 PM
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I’ve never used the word incel
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 07:10 PM
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It’s funny you’re using the word “” around people, basically implying certain women are sub human. It’s also silly to pretend having a lot of sex with different people and having a “great mind” are mutually exclusive. I don’t think neck beard video game types are inferior. To each their own. You’re assuming. Also, I’m 99% sure I’ve never used the word incel. Again assuming.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 06:57 PM
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Be more specific
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 05:52 PM
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I don’t follow your argument. I never said anyone was “special,” but accurately pointed out that perceiving people as “cum rags” is indicative of a psychological problem. A special psychological problem, if you will. The language is intentionally dehumanizing and inflammatory. You could use the word “promiscuous,” but “cum rag” suggests a strong emotional (hate) response. No one would argue you need to date certain women. But seething with hatred (as your initial comment and reply indicate) indi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 05:52 PM
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Seeing people as “cum rags” indicates some deep underlying issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 02:21 PM
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Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 02:15 PM
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Is this a real thing? Like is there a study on this or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 06:03 AM
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What is “hard work”?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 06:00 AM
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Is this something you’ve actually experienced? I don’t know any women like this. Reads like old stereotype projections
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 05:54 AM
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I guess it would be helpful if you clarified what types of clothes you had in mind
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 04:51 AM
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Did you ever consider general society treats people better when they’re dressed well? Do you show up to an interview well dressed?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 04:46 AM
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If you have friends expecting you to pay for things or move heavy shit for them…they’re not your friends. This sub has a hard-on for the idea of women as thieving, value extracting succubus, but it’s not reality. Socially well adjusted people expect the following from friends and nothing else: good company, probably some common interests, someone to talk with, and someone to do things with. That’s it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 01:09 AM
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Both
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 06:59 PM
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I can’t speak for everyone, but the men in my life don’t expect other men to protect them or to protect other men. The original post is a bit divorced from reality, in my opinion, but then most on this sub aren’t socially well adjusted. Most people have friends because they’re fun to talk with, have similar interests, and like to do things together. They should both offer the other emotional support (e.g., chances to vent), otherwise why bother. Not because they want them to move heavy things fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 06:00 PM
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Science says so.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 05:54 PM
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That’s a wild prerequisite for friendship. Are you only friend with very athletic, muscular men who regularly box?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 02:21 PM
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You’re objectively wrong. It increases life span, to start
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 02:20 PM
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So people can do well without emotional and social support? The answer is decidedly no.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 05:07 AM
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How often are you getting jumped on the street lol?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 05:05 AM
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“Completely provided for” You’ve also misread the article
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 03:25 AM
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Because most of them are speaking from the perspective of children being involved, which makes a massive difference in terms of workload
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 06:20 AM
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So you want to be a distant, absent father?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 06:07 AM
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Now you’ve just gone off the rails lol
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 07:33 PM
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I think comparing North Korea and feminism is a stretch. One is a country, one is a movement with a dozen different branches with varying views. I don’t even know if they have an official organization or anything like that
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 06:52 PM
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It’s not about the name coming from someone of a specific gender, it’s about the name you’ve had the longest.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 03:22 AM
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I pay a cleaning service to clean my house twice a month. Does that mean I’m not independent? The idea that paying for a service - such as a mechanic - reflects a lack of independence doesn’t make sense to me
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 10:29 PM
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Grindr works too
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 10:08 PM
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Well, as I understand it, their stance is it should be disbanded
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 05:15 AM
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Cool, but let’s not pretend they actively enforce the draft either. An MRA group should take the draft on
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 05:06 AM
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It’s not why feminism was created. Also, let’s resume this discussion when the draft is activated (it won’t be)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 04:56 AM
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Probably because we haven’t had an active draft in decades. If they activated it, I guarantee feminists and all other relevant organizations would take a much higher interest in it. But as of now, it’s not the most salient issue
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 04:26 AM
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Feminism wants to disband the military draft
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 03:12 AM
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Most people date others with a similar SES. Men generally make more money than women so it’s not surprising their SES “counterparts” make a bit less money. Although yes, there are also women seeking sugar daddies. But in general, I don’t think people issue surveys before dating to make sure their boyfriend makes more than them
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 04:45 PM
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Story as old as when women didn’t have their own money.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 05:47 AM
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California is less of a shithole than Texas
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 05:45 AM
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A lot of these suggestions seem reasonable and, in my opinion, aren’t inconsistent with more leftist thinking. I don’t think society pathologizes sex or men for finding women attractive. If that attraction tips into unwanted harassment, however... I do agree a lot of women are unnecessarily harsh and cruel about height. I also agree no one should have to date someone they find unattractive, whether it’s height or obesity that’s the main barrier. No one should be made to feel bad for physical tra…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 01:41 AM
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A lot of these suggestions seem reasonable and, in my opinion, aren’t inconsistent with more leftist thinking. I don’t think society pathologizes sex or men for finding women attractive. If that attraction tips into unwanted harassment, however... I do agree a lot of women are unnecessarily harsh and cruel about height. I also agree no one should have to date someone they find unattractive, whether it’s height or obesity that’s the main barrier. No one should be made to feel bad for physical tra…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 01:40 AM
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No, when people criticize the patriarchy they aren’t criticizing men or masculinity. They’re criticizing the current system, current gender role expectations. If that’s what you think it means, you aren’t informed enough to accurately talk about it. At least understand what the other side is saying before trying to critique it
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 12:53 AM
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BOTH MEN AND WOMEN to compromise and balance their biological desires, not just men. How do you think this could be achieved?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 12:37 AM
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Apparently, according to certain posters on PPD, you can tell: 1. Whether a man is sexually active simply by interacting with him for a brief period of time 2. Whether a woman has a high body count by how “vacant” her stare is Some truly astonishing magical thinking
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 12:28 AM
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At its most basic element, you’re questioning whether people care more about money than their children. That’s simply not true, unless the person has something deeply wrong with them. Putting children above everything else is perhaps the strongest biological directive
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 12:32 AM
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Most people marry into similar socioeconomic statuses and ages. All that aside, everyone should have a backup plan in case a relationship doesn’t work out for one reason or another. Nobody should ever be fully reliant on someone else/totally without an option of that person disappears
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 12:30 AM
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It’s a false equivalence. Consent can be revoked at any time during sex for men. That’s the correct equivalent to consent can be revoked at any time for women. Men and women are also both free to break up at any point, but labeling it as “consent” just seems like a silly way to throw disdain at the idea of someone stopping sex by revoking their consent
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 12:24 AM
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Truerateme was specifically created to lower self esteem
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 11:53 PM
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It sounds like you’re working on self improvement, which is great. But don’t hurt yourself trying to make yourself more desirable. Most of the time, it’s more to appease an inner ideal than it would change the mind of any actual person. And I wouldn’t try to dissuade someone from their goals. Just don’t let online spaces infect your perspective. Chads are more of an internet myth than a reality
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 05:28 AM
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I wouldn’t try and dissuade you from going abroad. More power to you. But the motivation seems to stem from a deep insecurity that will inevitably manifest in other aspects of life, perhaps even the romantic area despite having a virgin wife. That type of insecurity will haunt your every step. Some people claim you can gauge the amount of sex partners or the amount of sex someone is having from a single interaction, but I contend insecurity is far more evident. Seek therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 05:06 AM
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Most people pursue soft sciences and liberal arts degrees. There are more men pursuing engineering and CS than women, but they’re in the minority among men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 09:44 PM
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So it’s not a research survey? Can you send me a link to what you’re talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 09:38 PM
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Because people have different motives when responding to forums than to online surveys.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 04:52 PM
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I see a lot of men argue men don’t care about their partner’s education or job more than I see women trying to argue men should care about education or job. But, in reality, people tend to date others with the same job/in the same social class Also your argument about genders and majors seems based on stereotypes rather than facts: https://inside.collegefactual.com/stories/the-most-popular-majors-for-women-men
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 04:47 PM
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Different premise. Are these guys responding to anonymous self report surveys or do you mean people posting on Reddit? No one will interact with or respond to an anonymous survey response.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 04:32 PM
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Telemarketers have your number and usually your name, and you have to interact with them. Online surveys require no interaction and typically collect no identifying information. Different premises
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 04:30 PM
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Telemarketing is completely separate from research based surveys….
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 03:54 AM
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Of course no survey is without measurement error. But pretending you can completely discard the results because “everyone lies” is its own form of ignorance. And the author of this post has provided multiple supporting sources, providing additional support.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 03:53 AM
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Cope
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 03:37 AM
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Not much lying on anonymous surveys. People just use that idea to discredit information that doesn’t align with their worldviews
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 03:29 AM
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Not in my social circle.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 04:25 PM
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Maybe mundane was the wrong word. It’s important, but people tend to romanticize and overstate its importance when they aren’t having it. All that aside, I still doubt you can magically tell whether people are sexually active or not from a cold read
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 02:44 PM
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That’s a bit of a leap from what I said. I can get a feel for someone’s views and personality, but not whether they’re sexually actively unless they mention something related. Sex doesn’t do something magical to change your demeanor. It’s a rather mundane part of life
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 02:38 PM
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Not in mainstream society. Kind of exclusive to PPD
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 01:55 PM
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How do you do that? Sounds like magical thinking
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 12:45 AM
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With all due respect, seems like some projection here.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 12:44 AM
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We’re talking about the Jonah hill situation?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 12:52 AM
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Sounds like the slippery slope fallacy. Most people agree telling your partner what to wear is controlling. Most people also agree sleeping with someone else is cheating Also what is this “gynocentric” nonsense claim?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 11:33 PM
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This may be common knowledge, but apparently it was founded by incels during the beginning of the incel movement with the specific purpose of lowering women’s self-esteem
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 03:57 PM
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You said women needed men because of biology and their “primitive” minds without elaboration
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 03:43 PM
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You never explained how women need romantic male partners to survive, just threw out the word biology and called it a day. I don’t think either gender needs the other, just pointing out the argument I left the first comment about doesn’t hold. Being in a romantic relationship doesn’t prove someone needs their partner
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 07:24 AM
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Women need men to replicate too. You’re ignoring your own logic (or at least not even considering how it applies to the other gender) when it suits you
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 07:21 AM
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And you say men don’t need women for their survival at all? So why do men date and want to be in committed relationships with women?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 06:54 AM
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Agree to disagree. Done going in circles with you when there’s clearly no point
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 05:52 AM
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Disagree. It takes two people to make a child. If you have sex, it’s a risk. We can keep going in circles if you want, but it’s going to keep ending in agree to disagree
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 01:22 AM
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It’s not “escaping responsibility”, it’s just absurd to pretend most pregnancies aren’t planned
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 04:51 PM
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It’s cockblocking to talk about abuse?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 07:35 AM
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The majority of children are born to couples in a committed relationship, at least in the US. It’s generally a choice made by two people. Just because women have the freedom to decide doesn’t mean they’re ignoring their partner in every scenario and just seems like you projecting dislike of women onto your interpretation of reality
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 02:37 AM
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Yeah, I was using it as an example of things people used to think (and still do, in some cases) are “common sense” but are objectively false
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 07:02 PM
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Not sure I follow. Are you saying the earth is flat?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 05:52 PM
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Not really. Agree to disagree. You’re angry at a biological fact
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 05:51 PM
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But that’s not how it works in reality. Couples decide to have children together. The women quits birth control. It sounds like you’re angry at an inevitable biological fact and interpreting reality in an illogical way because of it
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 08:09 AM
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Most people can’t afford to have a stay at home parent. Should only the top 1% be allowed to reproduce? It’s also disingenuous to frame having children as solely a women’s issue. It ignores the majority of people that have children - couples who decided they want to have children
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 05:09 AM
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I mean this in the nicest way possible: seek therapy. If you hate 50% of people you have to interact with on a daily basis, you’re going to have a bad time
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 04:53 AM
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You conveniently ignored the rest of my argument. And it’s not a consequence for women alone. They’re not having the children alone. It’s a consequence for the fathers and children themselves. Women don’t have children in a vacuum. If we adopt your attitude, very few people would have children. We have to take steps to encourage people to have children - including not punishing them for taking time off to have said children and giving adequate parental leave for both parents - or we’ll have a cr…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 04:48 AM
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Nobody should have children if they don’t want to. But we shouldn’t demonize and punish people who do want to have them. If we want the species to continue, we need to be reasonable about people taking time to care for children. On that same note, I think men should also be given adequate parental leave and time off for child care. Not sure I understand what else you’re trying to say
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 04:35 AM
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There’s more men at the top most tier of intelligence and at the bottom most tier of intelligence, but you won’t see many of these men in your day to day life. Men have a higher variance of intelligence, but if you look at the average it’s about the same for both genders. And I’ll admit I didn’t read every word you wrote, but I think I got the gist of your argument. I’d point out women almost always take off more time for child care related reasons. If they don’t, there’s no children. Someone ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 03:05 AM
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Okay, sorry about that. I assumed it was implied and I was wrong. I appreciate that. It’s a meta analysis in a well respected journal. If you click on the PDF button, you should be able to read it. If you want more, do a Google Scholar search. There’s not a widely known gender difference in performance. We would likely know about it if there was. There is a well known difference regarding how different ethic groups response to intelligence tests (sometimes called the “diversity-validity” dilemma…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 02:24 AM
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No, but we have access to intelligence test data which is a better indicator of intelligence. We also have a lot of studies including gender and performance and there’s never been a trend of women underperforming relative to men when other factors are controlled for. Here’s one such study: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0149206310374774?casa_token=umAbQIgc7B8AAAAA:3rxJYLErrAvG-D1B1_w6qPBAoCcDF-Duc1YH0K4lc9MUQfDaX-StIlE8UZcpIfR3kTQbhLL2XYuM
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 02:05 AM
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I wasn’t specifically thinking of STEM, but other stereotypically male jobs: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/20/upshot/as-women-take-over-a-male-dominated-field-the-pay-drops.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare I don’t know why fewer women want to work in STEM. Is your conclusion that they’re dumber?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 01:59 AM
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It’s diverging less over time, though. And promoting feminism doesn’t equate to more or less women working in certain fields. Most working peoples’ moms were of a generation corresponding to the gender stereotyped roles I mentioned. We aren’t enough generations out for the impact to completely go away. There may be some innate preference involved, but I wouldn’t chalk it up to laziness “women bad men good”
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 01:50 AM
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Are you saying salary is a good measure of performance? Performance doesn’t explain the gender pay gap, though. There’s so many factors that do. Child care is the big one. Actual performance evaluation data is a better measure of performance than salary. People can be amazing at their jobs but take a lot of time off and never catch up to their peers in terms of salary because of it
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 01:46 AM
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But you’re pointing to existing trends and explaining it with evo psych. My point is you didn’t first explain how men don’t care as much as women what others think before pointing to evo psych. You first need to provide evidence of a current trend.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 01:42 AM
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But you’re not even interpreting evolutionary psychology correctly or even pulling from dominant arguments in the field. And you were the one saying being mentally strong = not caring what people think which is why we were talking about it
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 01:23 AM
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That doesn’t make your argument men outperform women because they’re paid more and choose certain degrees more valid. That being said, is the argument women are dumber than men and this is proven because they don’t want to work in STEM? I said this elsewhere, but I’ll copy it here because it applies: There’s definitely an element of conditioning. We tend to mimic the parental figures in our lives or examples we see in media. Women weren’t even really in the workforce until relatively recently, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 01:21 AM
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What point can’t be addressed? An initial argument can be bad or good, that doesn’t mean the counter argument is free from criticism
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 12:30 AM
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Evolutionary psychology is often misinterpreted. Evo psych works the way I described, not the way you tried to use it. You can try to explain why people are the way they are today because of past things, but you can’t point to past things and then assume people are a certain way today. Does that make sense? And the whole point was about men being mentally stronger, which you said was proven because they don’t care what people think. So do you agree it’s not a good indicator of being mentally str…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 12:27 AM
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I was responding to the discussion as it evolved. This is a good way to shut down discussion and not respond to any of my points
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 12:21 AM
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Saying people did something a long time ago so it proves people today are a certain way doesn’t in fact prove people today are a certain way. People did a lot of things a long time ago that have no relevance or bearing on how people are today. You can try to create post hoc explanations for why people are the way they are today, but you can’t say people did x a long time ago so therefore they must be y in this day and age as a logical argument. Where is the proof that women today care more what …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 12:18 AM
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