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I consider myself a feminist, but the word has lost all meaning. Just because I support equality does not mean I automatically want men to fail or women to be superior. Honestly, almost not worth discussing with anyone because the terms have lost all meaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 05:00 AM
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This is the kind of conversation where the abstract isn’t helpful. Actual examples are needed to determine what is a “lived experience” vs “fucked up shit”
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:56 PM
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I just commented that those just sound like bad mothers lol. It kind of seems like common sense for both the father and mother to put their children first and above anyone else
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 03:53 PM
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I would argue it’s not about being in a top percentage of men. Women who prioritize anyone over their children aren’t good mothers
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 03:52 PM
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It depends on what you value. Personally, I’m glad I’m with someone who is both smart and good looking. I don’t think I would enjoy being with someone who wasn’t intelligent Also, intelligence predicts a lot of life outcomes like length of life, income, etc. there’s more to life than just dating
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 03:05 PM
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Well, yes. When I’m attracted to my husband it doesn’t come from a place of “your ability to do arithmetic is so instantaneous” but “your face is hot”. But having a sharp mind is a prerequisite for me, although not for everyone. To each their own. My point is, the logical conclusion of making your decisions about whether to pursue someone on looks alone means that you’re fine with eventually having dumb children.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 06:04 AM
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Do you want children?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 05:45 AM
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Money doesn’t equate attraction
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 05:33 AM
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I don’t have a dog in this fight. I have a husband and he likes me for whatever reasons he likes me. But I have to ask - when men insist they don’t care about a women’s career and they’d be fine with a cashier from Wendy’s (a widespread argument, although maybe not yours) as long as she is hot - the implication is they don’t care if their partner is dumb. If their children are dumb. Do they realize they’re implying that most men don’t care if they have smart children? They’re fine with dumb kids…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 05:28 AM
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May or may not be quid pro quo sexual harassment
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 07:15 AM
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Yeah, for some reason my spidey senses are tingling. I don’t think he’s entirely real. Sort of a “my girlfriend lives in Canada”
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 12:53 AM
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Based on the study, 8% of respondents self-reported that they had been falsely accused of some form of abuse. Men reported this at higher rates than women (11% vs 6%). Many accusations were reported to occur during custody disputes (27%). So what we can conclude: many adults believe they were falsely accused, and men report this more often than women (although this study provides no police reports to provide more objective support for the claims, it’s ultimately self report). 20 million is a cra…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 06:01 AM
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Can you provide some sources for your well documented evidence?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 06:47 PM
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How does the data you referenced show women are more likely to shame over circumcision? That’s not what the linked study shows, it makes no gender comparison
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 06:37 PM
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By majority, you mean 51%. If you want change, you need to identify the cause. This is a societal issue, not women driven
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 06:32 PM
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I mean, it’s well known in the psychology literature that they’re two distinct constructs. Nowhere in the article you yourself linked does it say otherwise? And did you read the different definitions and items I shared? They’re quite distinct
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 09:15 PM
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I know…which is why I know people have conducted studies differentiating agreeableness from emotional intelligence. They’re related but distinct. Have you looked at the actual measures? They’re conceptually distinct and also measured differently. Example Agreeableness items: “Is helpful and unselfish with others.” “Is generally trusting.” “Is considerate and kind to almost everyone.” “Likes to cooperate with others Example EI items: “I know when to speak about my personal problems to others.” “I…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 08:40 PM
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Disagree. It’s not just blindly agreeing with people. What I see as “emotionally intelligent” people are people who don’t obliviously make insensitive comments to other, can immediately tell if someone isn’t feeling well/is upset, asks insightful questions when discussing emotional topics, and is also aware of their own emotions. I’ve seen a large range in both women and men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 05:35 PM
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Both genders prefer looks first
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 05:32 PM
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Are you familiar with the concept of bots?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 08:10 AM
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Just because you’re presenting some cherry picked data, let’s balance it out https://news.brown.edu/articles/2014/02/filicide Among offenders, while fathers were about equally likely to kill an infant, they were more likely to be the alleged murderer of children older than a year, especially when the children were adults (fathers were the offenders in 78.3 percent of those cases). Overall, fathers were the accused murderer 57.4 percent of the time. And for the more severe forms of violence - Acc…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 01:35 AM
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And men aren’t?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 01:24 AM
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Equating antidepressant usage to unhappiness is backwards. If anything, it means people are actually more likely to seek out the help they need to feel better. This is the same line of thinking that leads people to ask “what are you depressed about?,” assuming depression just means you’re really sad about something. That’s generally not what depression is. And chronic depression (just generally being depressed for no reason due to chemical issues) isn’t the only reason people go on antidepressan…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 12:42 AM
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Raising kids on minimum wage sounds miserable
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 07:03 AM
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https://abcnews.go.com/US/13-year-rape-victim-baby-amid-confusion-states/story?id=108351812 https://www.vice.com/en/article/a-year-without-roe-here-are-the-stories-of-people-denied-abortions/?utm_source=chatgpt.com
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 11:09 PM
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So I missed the mention of rape above. A lot of discussions seemed to miss the fact that you can’t have abortions in all states so a lot of this is a moot point. That aside, apparently Louisiana and Idaho make no exceptions for rape or incest. But in the majority of states they do allow exceptions, thankfully
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 10:25 PM
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Not in a lot of places in the US
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 08:34 AM
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Ad hominem
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 06:58 AM
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Women already do reward men with significant accomplishments. If you want a transactional relationship, nothing’s stopping you from getting a sugar baby
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 02:43 AM
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Yeah. And that’s true now too, but not working out the way you’ve claimed
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 08:50 PM
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As the economy is getting worse, people just stop having children or delay having children. People move in with family. They wouldn’t strategically decide to lower their expectations because they’re worried about retirement. A lot of people already don’t really have a good shot at retirement. It might make women even more selective, filtering out men who don’t make above a certain threshold. This just wouldn’t work the way you think it would. Short of taking away their rights, women aren’t going…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 04:23 PM
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So over the age of 65? Because that’s the demographic you’d be hurting
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 04:14 PM
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This wouldn’t make the type of woman you’re likely imagining more available to date. It would mostly impact the disabled, elderly, veterans, and children
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 04:09 PM
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Reread your response. Maybe you meant to respond to someone else
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 06:52 PM
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You keep everyone at arm’s length except your significant other? And make a point of publicly declaring to your friends they’re not relationship material?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 06:06 PM
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You have to be attracted to people to be their friend? Does this apply to same sex friendships too?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 01:53 AM
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Because people post fake stories to farm engagement or for their own amusement or whatever. You can safely assume the majority of stories on Reddit are fake
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 01:13 AM
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Except there are (the Mosuo, the Minangkabau). Also going to point out women didn’t really have the choice of being “more dominant” when society was being structured due to lesser physical strength
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 11:18 PM
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lol “common sense.” You’re kind of proving OP’s point. The idea is so culturally engrained you can’t even step back for a second to critically analyze it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 10:43 PM
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Can you provide sources?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 12:02 AM
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That’s how it starts
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 04:30 PM
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It does radicalize people, which leads to cases like Elliot Rodger
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 06:59 AM
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Women experience the same thing. No idea about the relative intensity, but I’m always surprised when people seem to think only men experience this phenomenon https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/0092623X.2024.2346165
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 07:39 PM
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That’s not a valid source, it’s anecdotal.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 07:33 PM
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And the average difference, for the studies that find it - evidence is mixed - is very small. And you’re ignoring the implications of the distributions, if the variability hypothesis is true
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 08:24 PM
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That’s not what actual empirical evidence says. Intelligence researchers still debate it. What I think you’re trying to say is that the average woman is dumber than the average man, but there’s no evidence for that. There is some evidence that there’s more variability in male IQ. There are more men at the top of the curve and the bottom for certain tests (although not all - men tend to do better at mathematic tests, women at verbal tests), but that doesn’t mean there aren’t any women at the bott…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 08:14 PM
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You have a stunted, uninformed view of gender-based intelligence differences. Speak for yourself, S0yslut.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 07:15 PM
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I don’t know that that’s true. It’s more like people within a certain socioeconomic status associate with people in the same socioeconomic status. Some of the highest paying jobs demand far less hours and attention than lower paying jobs (which can be physically taxing and also demand a lot of hours)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 12:19 AM
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It’s the difference between absolute numbers (frequencies) and percentages
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 12:13 AM
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Reciprocal violence is half of domestic violence. The other half is non reciprocal so you’re missing the full story
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 12:10 AM
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The higher life expectancy argument is dumb. It’s not society causing it, it’s due to biological factors and personal choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 08:44 PM
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That would be harassment
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 05:03 AM
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In what situations would she not want it? That sounds more like harassment than objectification
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 04:50 AM
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What’s the context though? Is it some random guy on the bus? Her boyfriend? And how is the looking at with sexual desire being expressed? Context matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 04:00 AM
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Do you have specific examples of this? I think you’re missing some nuance
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 07:22 AM
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What parts of “male sexuality” are feminism and purity culture calling degrading?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 04:23 AM
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And they shouldn’t be expected to
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 12:59 AM
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Benevolent sexism is things like holding the door, “ladies first,” etc. it’s not “trade offs in equality, rights, and freedoms, being controlled by a man.” And you’re not getting a straight answer on final devision making because it’s almost never black and white like that in real life. Whoever cares more about the issue gets to make the decision in my relationship or it’s a compromise.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 09:37 PM
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No, in research benevolent sexism is presented as bad for women (because they’re infantilized) and men (because they’re unnecessarily putting women first, which does accrue women some benefits even if the overall sentiment is condescending). Not as only disadvantageous for women
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 09:37 PM
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If you’re making some sort of point, yes, provide a source. But whatever point you’re making seems irrelevant to my original complaint: some random book isn’t a good supporting source.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 07:34 AM
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No statistics were provided
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 07:03 AM
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You just made up arguments to respond to rather than addressing what I said. Just link a study.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 06:58 AM
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N = 1, and sensationalist enough to be published at that
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 06:37 AM
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We’re just going in circles. No matter whose “fault” it is, society has to pay for it
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 02:18 AM
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It’s naive to think that’s what would happen. There would just be worse outcomes for the disabled, impoverished, and the children born to those circumstances. Not a magical shaming culture that would fix all of the problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 11:07 PM
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It’s not about the individual. Having children that grow into productive members of society ultimately benefits everyone more than uneducated impoverished children growing into uneducated impoverished adults
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 06:20 PM
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Fuck them kids, I guess
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 05:26 PM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 07:01 AM
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Not all women have looks to fall back on. Consider ugly and elderly women, which likely comprise the majority of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 06:57 AM
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Relative privation fallacy
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 06:53 AM
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What do you think patriarchy means?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 06:52 AM
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Because fathers usually end up with custody after advocating/fighting for it and are presumably more invested in the kid(s). Mothers are the default parent and not all are equipped. If we only saw the outcomes of children raised by mothers that similarly actively fought for custody/were invested and not assigned by default,I imagine we’d see similar outcomes And two parent households do better for obvious reasons
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 06:46 AM
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I get the impression women are expected to perform more so people then think it’s more pleasurable for them
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 06:00 AM
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False equivalence. The equivalent would be if he did certain sexual acts with his exs but doesn’t with his current partner. The equivalent for your example would be if the woman put in more work planning dates, surprises, cooking, etc for a previous partner
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 08:17 PM
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Why, exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 08:15 PM
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With peace and love, that’s not an equivalent comparison. An equivalent comparison would be that he used to do specific sexual acts but now doesn’t want to do them. The parallel to your example would be if a woman planned over the top dates and bought amazing gifts for her ex but didn’t for her current partner
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 07:54 PM
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It sounds like you’re talking about pokemon
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 03:21 AM
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“Case study”
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 01:26 AM
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Technically everyone is a potential predator
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 01:20 AM
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This has nothing to do with the Democratic Party. Going for vibes, not policies
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 06:26 AM
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Seems unlikely
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 05:53 AM
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You misunderstood the stats. 70% of what? 90% of what? Think about it and it will come to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 06:58 AM
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Financial literacy isn’t great. However, if the average person gets something like cancer, they’re not going to be able to afford it regardless of whether they’ve wasted money on stupid shit. The average cost is around 150k. That’s a broad estimate and it obviously depends on the type of cancer and how advanced it is, but it’s completely unsurprising to anyone in the us
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 05:50 PM
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non sequitur You missed the point
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 01:28 AM
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So women are harmless with guns? Maybe men aim slightly better or whatever but you don’t need to be an expert marksman to shoot someone in the chest
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 01:13 AM
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Nah, your argument doesn’t hold up because we have weapons now
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 11:43 PM
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They’re obvious grifters
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 01:06 AM
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Are you a bot lol? Women can use guns just like men. And if it’s the strongest men (spoiler: it’s not) who are in power in society…well that’s not very good for weak or old men either.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 08:58 PM
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Yeah, I hope so too. But I’m fairly confident most of it is fake. Mostly rage bait or ai prompts.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 04:06 PM
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This was true before the gun was invented. How are rights enforced in the USA? Not with raw physical strength. Officers are armed. Also, if you try to claim benefits and gratitude for a role you have never served in (e.g., working a dangerous job, working as an officer) that’s stolen valor. Give credit where credit is due, including to the women working these roles. Yes, there are fewer of them, but they can serve in these roles just as men can serve in more stereotypically feminine roles (e.g.,…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 04:02 PM
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Do you mean AITA? It’s all fake
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 03:45 PM
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It’s not that they don’t give a shit about men. It’s that they do give a shit about kids, including boys who will become men. Someone has to pay, and as a taxpayer I’d rather it be the two who made the child than me
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 03:43 PM
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I’m going to say something you won’t agree with. The horrible things being discussed are not all due to patriarchy, but patriarchy is the term used to describe the system of rigid gender roles people have historically ascribed to. If that term’s too loaded for you, let’s just call it rigid gender expectations: men are the head of the family (e.g., they make decisions, we get our fathers’ names), but being the head means men must also be soldiers and protectors while women are weak and must be pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 02:29 AM
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What you’re describing is the other side of the coin. Let’s not pretend the misandry you described and the misogyny the poster you’re responding to described aren’t part of the same system. It shouldn’t be a competition
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 05:43 PM
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Can you give a source on the numbers being equal until the 70s? That just runs counter to what I’ve read, but I’m definitely open to evidence I’ve overlooked
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 05:51 PM
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70% only applies to non reciprocally violent relationships, which is roughly half of domestic violence: Almost 24% of all relationships had some violence, and half (49.7%) of those were reciprocally violent. In nonreciprocally violent relationships, women were the perpetrators in more than 70% of the cases But yes, physical abuse is a threat to both genders
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 03:37 PM
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Another variant is when dad went out for milk and never came back
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 03:35 PM
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It seems to me Vance was mostly chosen based on his demographic appeal and then policy only insomuch as it aligned with Trump’s. He wrote a book called the “hillbilly elegy,” clearly he’s appealing to a certain group. Do you have any more concrete examples of how he was chosen more based on policy than Harris?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 06:12 PM
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Disagree. For VP, Walz was chosen to appeal to a certain demographic as were Harris and Vance (who is supposed to help with blue collar workers). Harris was chosen to run for president so they didn’t lose Biden’s campaign funds.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 04:02 PM
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How do you think Tim Walz was chosen? Politicians are often chosen based on the demographic they appeal to and votes they can capture. It only comes up when the candidate isn’t white or male though
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 03:26 PM
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People call anyone who isn’t white a “DEI hire”
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 03:23 PM
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All the chores? If you’re both working, you both need to do chores. The hypothetical you mentioned is extremely uncommon. One partner can do more if they work less, but making one person responsible for everything is a recipe for resentment Edit: okay, you actually addressed it below. I think it works best when things are evenly balanced
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 04:03 AM
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TikTok street interviews and AITA posts are painfully fake rage bait
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 03:53 AM
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Neither agreeing nor disagreeing but do the statistics you’re referencing show who is rejecting who? I’ve mostly seen stats that show a difference but not the why of it
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 03:25 AM
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I said most, not all
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 04:15 PM
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It doesn’t have “no scientific value.” They need to read papers from the opposing side - really all papers in this area - to come to a conclusion. But all scientific papers generally have inherent scientific value
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 08:55 AM
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You’re fighting ghosts. Most women accept porn and even watch it themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 08:51 AM
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I have no argument for or against porn. But this argument doesn’t work. These are countries with vastly different values than western countries, porn or no. You would need to compare against a similar western country - with western values - and no porn to serve as an equivalent no porn comparison
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 08:47 AM
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You’re right, they hate you and you should destroy them in response. Burn their life to the ground /s people say that so you don’t ruin your life and go school schooler on the person who rejected you instead of turning your life around
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 08:35 AM
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Same. I wonder if social class is related
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 08:29 AM
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What is basic human decency if not calling 911? You’re applying some other standard to women then saying the equivalent for men is calling 911 lol which is the bare minimum for every person
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 12:11 AM
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Nah, don’t believe you
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 11:51 PM
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Not equivalent to calling or not calling 911.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 11:51 PM
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It is to me. It’s breaking the psychological contract of living in a society
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 11:50 PM
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The vast majority of women would call 911
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 05:49 PM
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I also don’t expect people to shit in the streets in the US. Some things are just baked into living in a society. Maybe there’s no law against not calling 911, but society won’t want you in it if you adopt this deeply brain dead take
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 05:49 PM
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You realize alimony isn’t decided by gender, right? It’s decided by wage. I agree alimony shouldn’t be given in almost all cases, especially if people can support themselves. But if someone - male or female - has given their life and job up to support their partner in their success and raise children, with no life skills as a result, then maybe alimony should be considered. But that’s not really a scenario that happens now that more women are in the workforce
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 02:37 PM
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Actually, more older men are obese than older women, with the exception of those aged 60 and older (and the discrepancy is smaller there): Among men, the prevalence of obesity was 40.3% among those aged 20–39, 46.4% among those aged 40–59, and 42.2% among those aged 60 and over. Among women, the prevalence of obesity was 39.7% among those aged 20–39, 43.3% among those aged 40–59, and 43.3% among those aged 60 and over. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db360-h.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 02:34 PM
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And about 10% of couples pay alimony.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 02:19 PM
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How are they not contributing to society? They presumably pay taxes and work jobs that have some contribution to society.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 12:00 AM
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Less income is generally associated with less education and less access to resources which is associated with being less likely to use birth control responsibly.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 11:47 PM
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I wasn’t claiming anything about a free market. I’m pointing out you can’t claim women owe men because some industries are more male dominated. Rather, men and women owe the people working in those industries. Most men do not work that type of job. It’s stolen valor to claim credit for it if you don’t have that type of job
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 03:38 PM
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You’re not talking about men. You’re talking about a specific working class. Men owe them as well, not just women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 05:56 AM
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One thing happens consistently, one is a hypothetical scenario that likely will never occur.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 12:10 AM
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In the Boys, Homelander is portrayed as wanting validation not because of his strength but because he was raised in a lab with minimal affection
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 09:09 PM
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I doubt any widespread group of men would ever be competent enough to cause "serious harm" to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 08:09 AM
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Not for everyone. At will employment is common
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 09:21 PM
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I don’t believe the survey counts the time the washing machine spends running as time towards hours of housework, rather just the time spent loading and unloading
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 09:07 PM
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If you have a relationship like this, you will be resented.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 09:04 PM
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OP, don’t leave us hanging. What did the guys do specifically that made the women lose interest?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 02:18 AM
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Nope, you just don’t understand stats or how to read scientific reports
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 11:51 PM
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Copied from another time I corrected someone: Are you claiming the CDC data in fact shows that lesbians are more violent than other demographics? Most bisexual and heterosexual women (89.5% and 98.7%, respectively) reported having only male perpetrators of intimate partner violence. Two-thirds of lesbian women (67.4%) reported having only female perpetrators of intimate partner violence. If you read the full report, most victims do not have multiple perpetrators either If we removed the percenta…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 11:50 PM
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lol. It shows, objectively, bisexual women experience the most violence and it’s perpetrated by men. Copied from another time I corrected someone: Are you claiming the CDC data in fact shows that lesbians are more violent than other demographics? Most bisexual and heterosexual women (89.5% and 98.7%, respectively) reported having only male perpetrators of intimate partner violence. Two-thirds of lesbian women (67.4%) reported having only female perpetrators of intimate partner violence. If you r…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 11:50 PM
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Popular misinterpretation takes root and persists. I’ve been debunking the misinterpretation of CDC data/lesbians are more violent myth for years and it never stops popping up.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 04:48 AM
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It’s giving: I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 11:44 PM
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That’s not what I’ve seen.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 01:22 AM
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I can imagine it with reversed genders lol it’s not that deep or scandalous. Lady was rude, but they just wanted to get through the interaction without making it a whole thing, dealt with it after.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 08:16 PM
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It probably was fine, but it sounds like she felt bad
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 07:46 PM
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You’re nitpicking. This is such a weird disconnect and understanding of social interactions.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 07:01 PM
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So punish the kids
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 06:53 PM
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No, this is a common misinterpretation of a CDC study
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 04:56 AM
1

One of those adjectives is doing more work than the others: charming people get laid the most, regardless of whether they’re uncaring or caring, lying or honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/24 06:10 AM
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You sound charming.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 04:27 AM
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His insecurity could very well be something that turns you of. He could be needy and clingy. He could be insecure about your past and his place in your life relative to it. He could cry over chewbaka being blown up or the vending machine running out of his favourite snack One of these things is not like the others.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 04:23 AM
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So you’re just a misogynist. Stale and boring
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 04:02 PM
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But have you seriously engaged with the thought? You find the majority of men around you more attractive than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 08:09 AM
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I unironically just encouraged the OP to sit with the thought he may find men more compelling and attractive for a reason. Sometimes it’s simple misogyny, but sometimes there’s a real reason someone feels resentment towards the opposite gender - if someone has been repeatedly encouraged to date the opposite gender, but subconsciously isn’t attracted, they may start resenting them
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 08:08 AM
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I think you just find men more compelling (and possibly more attractive) than women. I’m not being facetious. Just sit with the thought for a bit and see how you feel
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 08:04 AM
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I’m sure you’ve experienced that, and it sucks, and I don’t like the attitude that suggests you need an education to be successful. That’s not what I’m saying. But I say you’re projecting because it seemed like you’re somehow attributing it to the stats. The stats don’t say people without a degree are all poor but they say, on average, the more education you have, the more money you make. Then, again, how would you categorize things? I’d hazard a guess you’re on the more lucrative side in the no…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 05:17 PM
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How would you create the categories then? I’m just using the BLS stats, and they’ve likely lumped it by degree because it’s the most intuitive way to categorize people. And it supports what I said: generally, the more educated you are, the more money you make (with exceptions, obviously). So if you conclude more educated people are generally better paid, you’re factually correct. I think you’re projecting your beliefs onto what I’m saying. I don’t see someone in work boots and a hard hat and thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 04:58 PM
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I didn’t mean you’re likely to make over 100k with a master’s degree. But you’re more likely to than if you only have a high school degree. Also, I’m sure there are exceptions, but generally, the more educated you are, the more money you make. Saying you’re more likely to be successful if you don’t get a degree is misleading. I think, in either case, whether you get a degree or not, you need to have a plan. https://www.bls.gov/careeroutlook/2021/data-on-display/education-pays.htm#:~:text=For%20e…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 04:44 PM
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Statistically, there is a strong correlation between education and income, accounting for age. It sounds obvious when I say it as follows: you’re more likely to make six figures when you have a graduate degree than if you only have a high school diploma. That being said, I’m not discounting that going to trade school is also a choice to get a lucrative career.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 04:27 PM
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Well, they were right about people misunderstanding the CDC data. That is a common misinterpretation I see brought up all the time
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 04:35 PM
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Why is your explanation the best explanation? We’re discussing the Duluth model because you’re claiming it invalidates the CDC study. It clearly shows that lesbians experience the least IPV
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 09:53 PM
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You clearly haven’t read the CDC data. They ask both men and women their experience with domestic violence. They don’t define it as something men do to women lol. That is comically uninformed
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 09:28 PM
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Can you explain how the existence of the Duluth model invalidates the CDC study?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 09:18 PM
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Which is less violence than heterosexual or bisexual women experience from men
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 07:23 PM
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It’s inconclusive but you can somehow conclude it shows women are more violent? Read the report. Most bisexual and heterosexual women (89.5% and 98.7%, respectively) reported having only male perpetrators of intimate partner violence. Two-thirds of lesbian women (67.4%) reported having only female perpetrators of intimate partner violence. If you read the full report, most victims do not have multiple perpetrators either If we removed the percentage of lesbians experiencing IPV that was perpetra…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 05:39 PM
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So we’re on the same page. People use the CDC study to prove lesbians are the most violent in romantic relationships, but don’t realize that this study includes male perpetrated violence within the lesbian category, muddying the waters. Lesbians actually experience the least violence (if we focus exclusively on female perpetrators), with bisexual women experiencing the most violence
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 05:27 PM
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No, 34% did not report having a man and woman. Read the data.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 05:25 PM
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You’re blatantly misunderstanding the stats lol. 43% of lesbian women reported iPV, 67% of them had exclusively female perpetrators. You ignored the data so there’s no use talking with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 04:22 PM
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See pg 26 (as numbered, 32 in the pdf): https://stacks.cdc.gov/view/cdc/12362/cdc_12362_DS1.pdf?download-document-submit=Download
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 03:55 PM
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lol, you’re missing the point. It’s misleading, yes, but the lesbians responding in the study also reported having male perpetrators, suggesting perhaps they tried dating men before coming out. Read the report: https://stacks.cdc.gov/view/cdc/12362/cdc_12362_DS1.pdf?download-document-submit=Download That’s the whole point. People misunderstand the study and its results because their use of lesbian is misleading
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 03:54 PM
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https://stacks.cdc.gov/view/cdc/12362/cdc_12362_DS1.pdf?download-document-submit=Download Because I’ve read the full CDC report
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 03:53 PM
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Are you claiming the CDC data in fact shows that lesbians are more violent than other demographics? Most bisexual and heterosexual women (89.5% and 98.7%, respectively) reported having only male perpetrators of intimate partner violence. Two-thirds of lesbian women (67.4%) reported having only female perpetrators of intimate partner violence. If you read the full report, most victims do not have multiple perpetrators either If we removed the percentage of lesbians experiencing IPV that was perpe…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 03:51 PM
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They’re right that people are incorrect in using the CDC data to argue “lesbians commit more violence against their partners than heterosexual men” or even “lesbians experience more violence than other women” (bisexual women experience the most violence, men are the most common perpetrators of IPV against women)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 08:06 AM
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Nope. Duluth model has nothing to do with the CDC data referenced
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 08:01 AM
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That’s the whole problem. People hear the word “lesbian” and immediately assume all violence reported in that category is perpetuated by other women (not without reason) but they’re wrong. Specially when it comes to the CDC data. That’s their point.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 08:00 AM
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No, they’re just refuting a common misconception of CDC data. People hear the word “lesbian” and immediately assume all violence reported in that category is perpetuated by other women (not without reason) but they’re wrong. That’s their point
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 07:57 AM
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Most people only reported having 1 abusive partner
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 07:56 AM
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The majority of people reporting abuse in this study only had 1 abusive partner
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 07:55 AM
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If you look at the data, the majority of people reported having only 1 abusive partner
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 07:54 AM
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If you look at the data, most people reported only having 1 abusive partner
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 07:52 AM
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If you see an average couple and they’re complimenting each other, are you going to intervene and tell them to stop because they’re both ugly? Let people live
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 05:51 PM
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Yes. It exists. But it’s a small minority of our culture. And the more you engage with the content, the more the algorithm feeds you targeted content, reinforcing the idea everyone holds the same view. When its a small minority of people
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 05:18 AM
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TikTok and the view as sources? If you think that reflects the viewpoints of most people, I’m not sure it’s worth continuing the conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 05:00 AM
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So are incel forums. Should I lump all men into the same category as incels?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 04:58 AM
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I don’t know what Lipstickalley is, but FDS is full of extremists. I feel like it’s the women equivalent of incels
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 04:45 AM
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I’d say after 25 it’s less morally questionable because the frontal cortex has at least finished developing.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 03:18 AM
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Depends on the ages.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 02:13 AM
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The same reason it’s not okay for older women to take advantage of younger men. The older person is at fault
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 07:15 PM
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Lol. I can’t tell if you’re trolling. If not, I hope you grow out of these illogical and emotion driven beliefs
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 05:18 AM
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You don’t understand what “oppression” means. As I said, that isn’t a commentary on the quality of life. Men had more agency. Also, you thinking not being able to reproduce is one of the worst things that can happen is very telling of a naive worldview
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 05:12 AM
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You’re creating your own argument to respond to. Most people aren’t claiming “all men oppressed women,” but that society oppressed women. Which is true. Most people understand that doesn’t inherently suggest all men lived a privileged life. But they generally had more rights than women. If you feel defensive about objective historical facts, you need to engage in some self reflection and ask yourself why
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 04:30 AM
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You’re rewriting history to feel better about yourself and shit on women
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 03:27 AM
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Yeah, that’s concerning. But I doubt the same people who think it’s admirable behavior are the ones who complain about age gap relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 03:19 PM
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I didn’t say anything about it not being older women. I said it is mostly women complaining about age gap relationships, but for both genders. Did you even read my reply? Though, I’ve also heard younger women complain about age gap relationships. I can link you TikToks and Reddit posts, though that’s just as good a source as comments on an article. Saying “you’re just jealous” to people who disagree just seems like an ad hominem so you don’t have to engage with their points
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 01:16 PM
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I don’t follow them, but stan behavior is generally toxic. How old are the men they’ve dated?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 01:13 PM
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People romanticize the past
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 05:23 AM
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No, the people who I’ve heard complain about age gaps don’t exclusively focus on older men - younger women. Women seem to be the loudest voices (rightfully) denouncing relationships between older women and younger men they groomed (e.g., Aaron-Taylor Johnson and his wife). Also, why does this topic come up so regularly? Hasn’t it been exhausted?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 05:21 AM
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A small gun kills just as easily as a large gun. I also don’t live in a war torn or third world country so it doesn’t apply to me. If you do, you have different expectations. But it’s a moot point for first world citizens like Americans. And men and women work in construction and on farms. There’s more men in these fields, sure, but women can and do also work in these fields. Do you work in construction or on a farm?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 06:27 PM
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Agree to disagree
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 02:49 PM
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They’re not hunting and building shelters. And weapons make it neutral ground.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 02:49 PM
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Not for hundreds of years
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 02:31 AM
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That will be a nice option for some people, but most men don’t want to be single fathers
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 02:30 AM
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I think you could say the same thing to men. Having a second salary can make a big difference
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 01:50 AM
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You will never be in a scenario with intruders
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 05:14 AM
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I went with a logical reason since that poster doesn’t seem the type to care about morality but yes, that would be my personal top reason
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 02:08 AM
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lol if only
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 04:43 AM
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Population collapse, for one.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 02:07 AM
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Wealth redistribution…by more evenly redistributing wealth among already wealthy children of wealthy parents? The wealthy have already made it clear they’re very good at maintaining generational wealth without sharing with the common people. This would just widen the gap between the poor and the rich.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 01:24 PM
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That’s not an equivalent comparison. In one case, you’re forcing a medical procedure on someone. In the second, you’re oppressing an entire class of people. I also wouldn’t think it’s fair for stronger men to be legally allowed to take away the freedom of weaker men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 01:22 PM
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It’s just the biological reality of the situation. Biology isn’t fair. If men were the ones carrying the pregnancy, it would be their choice. But that’s not the reality, so they have to be practical about who they have sex with and if they’re using protection. But both parents are ultimately responsible for the child (or should be)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 04:45 AM
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So only the rich should be allowed to procreate
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 11:03 PM
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So let the kids die?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 11:02 PM
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And women often serve as the primary custodial parent and pay for the child. Both people consented to sex, both people should contribute to raising the child and paying
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 10:47 PM
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You’re arguing men shouldn’t have to raise their children, unless I misunderstood? Both parents made the baby, they should pay for it. Otherwise everyone else (taxpayers, including you and me) are footing the bill. Better for the children if both parents are involved too. I want a better society, not a worse one. Do you think women should also be absolved of responsibility in the case of single fathers?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 08:05 PM
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The problem with the CDC study is it doesn’t acquire data from the man’s perspective. I know couples who mutually decided to be lax with birth control because they knew they were okay with/eventually wanted children. It of course may be the case that some women were doing this without the men’s consent - but we simply don’t have the data to conclude one way or the other. It certainly doesn’t suggest most single mothers resulted from trying to baby trap men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 08:04 PM
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That’s a special case. I’m sure it happens, but implying it explains the majority of single mother households?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 06:46 PM
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So men shouldn’t be accountable but women should? I don’t think this should be a hot take, but both parents should be accountable for paying for and raising their children. This goes for single fathers too - mothers in those situations should pay and chip in It’s also better for the child’s welfare
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 06:40 PM
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All of aita is fake. One of the key tells in this one is the phrase “blowing up my phone.” It’s a space for trolls, AI enthusiasts, and aspiring creative writers. It’s like believing in horoscopes
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 02:58 AM
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What are different gender learning styles?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 02:53 AM
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But cute girls in video games cured my depression
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 02:51 AM
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Do you have a link to the actual study? Anyone can fabricate a chart and throw it online
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 07:08 PM
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You missed the point where I noted it’s essentially been the last couple of minutes within human history, if we think of human history as 24 hours long, women have been encouraged to pursue careers. They’re still the primary caregivers too. It’s going to take time. If a man claims women are inferior to men, he’s a misogynist. If a woman claims men are inferior to women, she’s a misandrist.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 04:07 PM
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You don’t think the fact that men have been the ones actively encouraged to pursue such things and, basically for a second in the grand scheme of human history, women have been just now having the same opportunities has an effect? Men outearn women because women are more likely to forgo job opportunities for the sake of raising children. You’re free to continue spouting this as proof women are inferior to men, but it makes you a misogynist
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 03:46 PM
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More men are noble prize winners and millionaires because women haven’t been in the workforce nearly as long as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 06:15 AM
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Stolen valor
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 06:10 AM
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This is a case of stolen valor. You don’t work a physically taxing job
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 06:09 AM
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I think that’s fair. But I don’t think the OP is arguing for sex with all of the energy focused on her, just mutually enjoyable sex. The reality is PIV sex is generally more satisfying for men than women
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 05:57 AM
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It’s scientifically proven
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 05:35 AM
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It’s just a biological reality that men orgasm more easily than women. If you’re a heterosexual man and want your partner to orgasm, it takes more work. PIV alone doesn’t normally do it for women. If thats not your cup of tea, that’s fine, but it does make you a selfish lover
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 05:34 AM
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My point is that 90% of men on dating apps aren’t in relationships already and actively looking to cheat. It’s also not very common for women to want and pursue dating someone who is taken. It’s not a common phenomenon
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 07:38 PM
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Yeah. Sorry, but someone has to pay. It’s either the government (all of us) or the biological father (and custodial parent, the mother in this scenario), and I’m going to vote for the people who very likely could have prevented the existence of that child with adequate birth control
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 08:11 AM
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People have already mentioned that statistics show people marry within their SES and class. Relatedly, a strong predictor of a child’s success is their mother’s education level. I think people should be free to desire what they want, but I’m always baffled by people who say they don’t care if their future spouse is educated or has a career, just that they’re agreeable and attractive. Maybe they aren’t equating those characteristics with intelligence, but the data shows there is a strong correlat…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 07:29 AM
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You say the vast majority of men aren’t tricking women but also claim 50% of men women match with are married. This is a very unkind view of men. Do you have a source to back up this statistic or is this based on anecdotal evidence?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 07:23 AM
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You can date whoever you want. You should have whatever preferences you want as well. But this reads to me like someone who has been very hurt and is lashing out at women who had nothing to do with that hurt. This could backfire when you meet a woman who isn’t approaching it from a jaded perspective. If she is genuine and just looking for her match without playing games, this bitter outlook isn’t good for her or you. You’ll lose her before you really have the chance to keep her
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 07:19 AM
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Yeah…someone’s seeking fetish material
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 07:31 AM
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Actually, no, that’s not true. Fertility doesn’t begin decreasing until after 35 and even then, it’s minimal decreases until 40. This almost seems like weird propaganda to get older couples to become more lenient with birth control. Dangerous
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 07:06 AM
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Minimal is a key word. It wouldn’t be an entire inch larger, for example, but maybe (unlikely) .1 larger or smaller. But unlikely unless they did a bad job getting a random, diverse sample
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/24 02:36 AM
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I’m a woman so I don’t care about the average penis size. I do care about statistics. Assuming the data is collected in a randomized way reflecting a diverse set of participants, you can generalize to the broader population. It’s why insurance companies and public health companies, among others, make meaningful decisions based on statistics and spend a large sum of money on people to provide this data to them. You may not believe in it, but it’s the closest thing we have to objective fact and is…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/24 02:34 AM
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Yes. Maybe minimal deviations, but it won’t change very much
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/24 02:07 AM
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With all due respect, you really don’t know what you’re talking about. You didn’t even address what I said, just dismissed it and went right back to “stats bad.” Your actual criticisms aren’t even grounded in the most rudimentary understanding of stats.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/24 02:05 AM
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And jumping in one more time to say that a representative sample will also tell us what variability is present in the broader population (you need only examine the SD and variance)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 07:45 PM
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Just jumping in to say that any published data has been tested to ensure assumptions are met. You don’t move forward with analysis otherwise. Instead, if the data doesn’t meet assumptions, you choose a more appropriate statistical analysis (e.g., you find an appropriate non parametric analysis for non normal data). This is stats 101
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 07:43 PM
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Are you really arguing revenge porn should be legal?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/24 06:08 AM
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Often these videos are edited to only include the most engagement driving behavior - ragebait, in other words. Terrible, terrible source
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/24 06:00 AM
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Are you arguing the custodial parent (in your argument - the woman, because more often than not, she is the primary care giver and custodial parent) doesn’t pay for the child? The custodial parent almost always pays more.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 08:00 AM
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The government doesn’t care how the secondary parent feels about it, they just need the child paid for, so if you contributed to its existence, you pay.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 07:57 AM
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Looking at it pragmatically, from the government’s perspective, if there is a child in need, the parents will be made to pay, not the tax payers. It’s not that hard to prevent an unwanted pregnancy, and given that it results from a man’s orgasm, shouldn’t he be extra careful not to orgasm in an unprotected fashion unless he wants a baby? On a semi related note, how do you feel about the fact a lot of states have made abortion illegal?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 07:51 AM
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Having lots of interactions and relationships isn’t mutually exclusive with understanding and consuming research
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 11:18 PM
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What’s your point? Women shouldn’t vote because they make bad decisions?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 11:17 PM
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Because someone has to pay for the baby, and the government doesn’t want to
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 11:03 PM
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Somehow, I doubt you work in this type of environment and you just made this scenario up. No one has business meetings at strip clubs except for maybe petty criminals.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 11:01 PM
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But the CDC data doesn’t use “misandrist definitions.” Can you point out specifically how it does so? And how should the data be revised? Perhaps the estimates aren’t perfect, as all data will have biases, but that doesn’t mean you completely throw it out. My main point is that the evidence is clear that lesbians don’t have more violence than heterosexual relationships and the conclusion that it does is based on a widespread misinterpretation of the CDC data, as explained throughout this thread
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 06:46 PM
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But your argument is essentially that all data is biased, allowing you to conclude what you wish to believe and ignoring the actual evidence. Why look at the evidence at all then, if you’ll dismiss whatever doesn’t agree with your worldview because of “societal bias”? There is bias in all data, yes, but the evidence is overwhelmingly clear: there isn’t more violence in lesbian relationships relative to heterosexual relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 04:35 PM
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They explained why you misinterpreted the data and your response is to say well the data doesn’t matter anyways..
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 06:06 AM
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Lesbians certainly experience DV, but not as much as heterosexual and bisexual women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 06:03 AM
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Thank you. It’s so annoying how widespread this misinterpretation of the data is.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 05:55 AM
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I feel like this is one of those questions that science is better suited to answer
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 05:15 AM
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It would be helpful if you defined your idea of femininity
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 12:45 AM
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I’m not surprised the FDS mindset transcends time. I still think the FDS community is rare and equivalent to the incel community, although I would guess the incel community is larger
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 05:35 AM
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Agree to disagree
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 03:00 AM
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Now you’re just nitpicking and looking for an argument. I said “most” people because there will inevitably be someone chiming in arguing that no, it’s quite easy for them to stay fit and everyone else is just lazy. I think it takes hard work, personally, but not everyone does
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 02:45 AM
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Can you give an example of feminists gaining clout out of it? I can think of several well recognized “red pill” or “manosphere” figures but no counterpart feminists
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 02:20 AM
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FDS is not “many women.” They’re the female equivalent of incels
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 02:09 AM
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My point was that someone saying that they like someone looking somewhat fit doesn’t mean they’re envisioning someone like Chris Hemsworth in Thor (like the first comment he linked). It’s also two random people on Reddit (and one from FDS of all places), not really indicative of a broader trend
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 02:08 AM
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What does this mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 01:51 AM
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Well, that’s frustrating. Being fit takes work for most people. But it’s one random person
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 01:49 AM
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I’m not sure what conclusion I’m supposed to draw from that, because I still don’t know what she means by “quite fit.” Also, two cherry picked Reddit comments do not a trend make. I’m also having trouble the older comments so I may be missing some context
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 01:07 AM
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Not really. She said she doesn’t prefer a body builder physique, but someone “somewhat fit.” We have no idea what that means to her without a picture or definition. I doubt she’s referring to Chris Hemsworth’s physique in Thor
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 01:04 AM
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I’m not saying most women wouldn’t find him attractive (although it’s debatable if most married women would sleep with him). I’m saying most women don’t expect men to look like that or think it’s easy to achieve
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 01:02 AM
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Women who can support themselves don’t need to get married and rely on a husband anymore, something that wasn’t generally an option a few generations ago. As a result, women are pickier and less concerned with relationships now that their survival doesn’t depend on having one
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 12:58 AM
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FDS is extremist though
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 12:54 AM
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This and rage bait drive a lot of engagement
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 10:56 PM
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The things you listed just sound like a matter of compatibility rather than love. You can show your appreciation and care without doing things you don’t want to. Having preconceived ideas of what “acts of service” are without communicating it ahead of time can spell disaster. And it should never be one sided.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/24 03:03 AM
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You want your partner to love you like a mom?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/24 02:55 AM
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I think they’re being overly critical because no one has done for them what you do for your partner. So they’ll keep looking for something to pick at. Kind of like a case of sour grapes.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/24 02:55 AM
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How is that related to the question at all? You’re again missing the basic premise of: you make a point, you support it with actual evidence. I’m done responding
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:35 AM
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You remind me of my dad, stubbornly clinging to a point even when reality is staring him in the face. He’s a narcissist.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:19 AM
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Do you have more information on the feminists shutting them down?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:09 AM
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Because it’s fucking obvious? We have finite resources
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:05 AM
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Because people make claims without adequately providing sources on here all the time. Do you not understand that’s my issue with most of the stuff posted here? Yet you disdain actually providing or requesting evidence…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:03 AM
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Because OP made a point, I engaged with the point. He made the claim so providing evidence is his responsibility. That’s how debating works. Something you continue to struggle with
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:02 AM
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What does police enforcing rights have to do with the idea of men giving women rights? If women are also part of the police force?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:00 AM
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I asserted nothing. Actually read my comments. So eager to request evidence, so reluctant to provide any yourself. My original comment was a request for an updated citation
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 05:57 AM
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You said “how do women” implying all women. Most women don’t enforce their rights physically. And police aren’t just men. You’re actually detracting from your own point of view
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 05:55 AM
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Do you have a citation?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 05:52 AM
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But no one enforces their rights physically now. Moot point
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 05:50 AM
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Spoken like someone who has no idea how scientific evidence works and favors the anecdotal over actual evidence…..
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 05:50 AM
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Should I be flattered you’re reading all my boring ass comments? What you’re saying makes no sense in the context of modern society. Not even sure what point you’re making
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 05:36 AM
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I’d like to see a more recent citation on gender differences in response to therapy. I imagine therapy practices have changed quite a bit since 1979
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 07:51 PM
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Can you link a source?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 05:29 PM
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I’m just curious. Do you think this also applies to women?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 07:09 AM
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Do you mind sharing the original sources for these claims?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 07:07 AM
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What is the point?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 04:23 PM
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I’d also argue most amateur porn is made by men for men, but I’m not an expert on amateur porn so I may be wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 04:22 PM
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It just sounds to me like you don’t understand female sexuality and why women wouldn’t enjoy straight porn where they’re treated like an object. It concerns me that you think straight porn should be a reflection of what women want. Do you understand how different porn is from reality? That most women are faking enjoying the crazy, uncomfortable scenarios often depicted in mainstream porn? I’ll agree women are more likely to admit or experience attraction to the same sex than men, but women watch…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 04:21 PM
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What’s the question? Theoretically, any group could decide to take away the rights of others. As others have pointed out, a truly dedicated widespread group of women could do some serious harm to men. But this idea sounds like an implicit threat of violence or, for the truly depraved, wishful thinking. “If men weren’t choosing to be nice, we’d strip you of your rights.” Do you want a thank you?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 05:07 AM
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Oh, I understand why. I definitely agree women consume less porn than men. I was just answering OP’s point about why straight women might prefer lesbian porn
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 11:37 PM
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Do you really need me to spell out why a woman is more likely to orgasm from the scenarios generally depicted in lesbian porn than from the scenarios generally depicted in straight porn? Also, as others have mentioned, I’m not sure amateur porn was in its own category in the survey you referenced. I’m assuming it was divided into larger categories (e.g., is it lesbian amateur porn?) and overshadowed/outnumbered by the non amateur porn in those categories. Also, I’m assuming the majority of amate…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 10:24 PM
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I guess it depends on the type of amateur porn. But if you’re looking at porn as a whole, the majority of heterosexual porn is very focused on the man, and lesbian porn obviously isn’t. That again comes down to the methodology of the study op referenced. They likely didn’t even consider amateur porn or, if they did, again divvied it up into larger categories where it’s overshadowed/possibly outnumbered by mainstream porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 09:33 PM
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Idk, but my point is this kind of thing depends on the methodology. We’d need to see all the categories considered to conclude. But I would also argue amateur porn is largely made for men and still a predominantly focuses on their pleasure
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 09:19 PM
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Is hetero amateur porn even a category in the analysis OP was referencing or would it just fall under hetero sex in general? Because I’d assume it’d be overshadowed by the amount of non amateur porn
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 09:16 PM
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Most porn is made for straight men, with an emphasis on the angles that look best and fantasies catered to men. There isn’t much focus on things women like, and women fake their pleasure. In contrast, lesbian porn generally has more of a focus on things women find pleasurable
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 07:12 PM
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Hard to believe without any source
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 04:30 AM
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I couldn’t find anything about this anywhere. There’s things to criticize feminists for, but they support male birth control. That’s not the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 04:14 AM
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Banning birth control isn’t an extreme suggestion?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 03:48 AM
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If we had a population explosion, we’d have bigger concerns
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 03:41 AM
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there's been cases of feminists trying to shut down the trials like old school vasagel Do you have a source on this? I find it hard to believe
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 03:40 AM
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Well, fortunately, most people don’t agree with you. Especially in this economy
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 03:35 AM
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People chose less sex or more children, with an average of 4.5 - 7 children per family. There was also a higher mortality for babies then, keeping the number of children lower than it would otherwise be.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 03:33 AM
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I’m not sure you’ve thought this through. Do you realize if you get in a relationship in this scenario, the only time you have sex will be when you’re trying to have children? Are you up for having 6 - 10 children or swearing off sex until she hits menopause? Maybe you want a Duggers style family (19 kids because they don’t believe in birth control), but most people don’t. Assuming women aren’t also outlawed from working, I think they’d choose more often not to be in relationships or to marry so…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 03:26 AM
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That’s quite a different sentiment than what he said. He was focused on attractiveness, not behavior
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 04:44 PM
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What social media? You said Reddit initially. I think this behavior only occurs in the deepest, darkest holes of delusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 06:10 AM
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Maybe reality has a misandrist bias
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 04:34 AM
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I think people being outraged at men not “finding all women to be goddesses and beautiful at all sizes” comes up more as a hypothetical scenario here than anywhere else as a real situation on Reddit. Although maybe there’s some niche subreddits I don’t know about. I think most people agree you don’t have to date anyone you don’t want to, but should also try to be polite (e.g., avoid statements like “I don’t date below average men/women”) when rejecting someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 04:32 AM
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I think we’re talking about two different things, then. OP mentioned women wanting to “ensure their safety,” which I took more literally. But my point stands: it makes sense for both men and women to be somewhat wary when meeting a stranger for the first time. The idea that doing so filters out “good men” doesn’t really make sense to me. Unless OP is talking about extreme cases where a woman does something like demand a background check and is generally very rude. But then wouldn’t that be an ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 09:43 PM
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I feel like you’re just saying shit without any basis in reality. A woman screaming and throwing things isn’t seen as “spicy,” she’s rightfully seen as a psychopath.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 08:29 PM
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Are you saying men generally fit into two categories: Patrick Bateman types (psychopaths) or non-psychopaths? Is your argument that men who meet a woman’s high standards are more likely to be predators than men who do not meet her standards? I’m just helping you refine your ideas
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 07:42 PM
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If I’m understanding you correctly, you think men who, on a surface level, resemble Patrick Bateman are psychopaths and the actual predators women should avoid. I’m assuming you’re thinking of high earning, organized men who take care of themselves. And men somewhat unlike this archetype are actually the “good men” women should be more open to. The problem with this idea is that the most important piece of evidence relies on these men actually being like Patrick Bateman, psychopaths. You have no…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 07:30 PM
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But you’re more likely to encounter a real predator than Patrick Bateman, who isn’t real
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 07:20 PM
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Well, I’m thinking of serial killers because some of the scenarios being discussed (walking in public, meeting up with strangers from dating apps in public) could very well involve dangerous people. Obviously, serial killers are rare. But being guarded to protect against the infinitesimal chance you are meeting up with someone with bad intentions makes sense to me, for both genders. Also, when I think of the word “predator” I think of serial killers, thieves, rapists, etc. what did you mean by “…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 07:13 PM
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Patrick Bateman is fictional. At least use real predators as examples
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 06:28 PM
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They can be conscious and analytical about it. Some are, some aren’t. There’s a wide variation in how predators (serial killers, rapists, men and women alike) operate. I can think of at least one serial killer that targeted victims who were more naive and willing to engage with strangers (Ted Bundy asking strangers for help). Someone avoiding eye contact, ignoring you vs someone accidentally making eye contact and reflexively smiling (most likely in American culture, but hopefully it illustrates…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 06:26 PM
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Why not look up data on this?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 08:50 PM
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At least they linked some research. I don’t have a belief one way or the other, and am legitimately curious to see what the science says, not anecdotes. Do you have any sources?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 08:30 PM
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For some men, the idea of having sex easily (no matter if the sex on offer isn’t good) trumps everything else. And, let’s just call a spade a spade, that is because they’ve never had sex (or haven’t had it consistently). They can’t imagine a world where sex is mundane or a meaningless commodity. But that’s the reality: anyone who has had sex long enough to understand it will tell you money has a vastly more important impact on quality of life. It’s downright naive to think otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 07:11 AM
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Not everyone’s ambition is centered around having sex. I imagine those men at Harvard are likely too busy to socialize and have loftier ambitions than sex, like a good paying career.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/24 05:52 PM
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I don’t think it’s hard. Of course women can do this. But how is it productive to the conversation? How does knowing a stranger’s perceived faults prove anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 06:17 PM
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Well, I appreciate you’re willing to do what you’re asking. But the two later “Ls” seem like more a reflection of the women, rather than actual personal failings.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 06:15 PM
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You first
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 05:16 PM
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No, most women can readily offer up things they don’t like about themselves, mentally and physically. But it seems like you just want the person you’re responding to to list out all their faults for your enjoyment. Seems almost like some kind of weird humiliation fetish
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 04:58 PM
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This is a strange response. Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 04:40 PM
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No, the point is most couples do not have large age gaps.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 07:35 PM
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This is disingenuous. 5 years is not the type of age gap people complain about.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 04:17 PM
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So that’s why people aren’t satisfied with the answers being given? They want the fantasy, not the reality
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 05:10 AM
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As long as it’s an equivalent expectation, I don’t see anything wrong with it. Or even if it’s a more “traditional” relationship where the woman is expected to be sexy and cook while the man works, not personally for me, but if it’s two consenting adults, nothing wrong with that. But when I think of relationship “responsibilities,” a lot more comes to mind than keeping the attraction going. Turns out the mundane, unsexy mechanical shit required to keep two lives functional is often just as much …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 05:03 AM
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So it’s what you specifically want
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 03:12 AM
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What do you think a “real” answer would be? I can tell you from my experience the above description fits most of the couples I know
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 03:10 AM
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Just going to share something relevant. It’s possible to clone your dog or cat now, but one thing that is now widely known about this process is even though the clone will look nearly identical to the original animal and have the same health issues, the personalities are usually quite distinct. The clone will not behave the same as the original, and this is attributed to being raised in a different environment. My point in sharing this information is to stress the importance of nurture in shapin…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 09:47 PM
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The video games with unattractive female characters or female characters with facial hair are not trying to socially engineer men into wanting ugly women lol. It’s about trying to sell products or transition to hyper realistic, finely detailed graphics (in the case of the infamous peach fuzz in Horizon Forbidden West, which had a negative response I don’t think the developers were expecting).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 07:53 PM
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Nah, it’s like one of those places - niche online chat forums
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 01:16 AM
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Then I misunderstood, think the person you were responding to may have as well
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 05:38 PM
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Some women can orgasm from PIV alone, but they are the minority
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 05:20 AM
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You’ve cherry picked studies. Here’s one explaining why some studies (a minority of studies, including the one you referenced) suggest women orgasm at a higher prevalence from PIV alone (it’s the way the questions are worded and interpreted). https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-017-1102-6 if you look at all the evidence, the consensus is most women cannot achieve orgasm unless the clitoris is stimulated in some way. Not wanting to believe this is to your detriment, if you care about…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 01:17 AM
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So? Not all parents breastfeed. And that’s such a tiny, small aspect of raising a child, who isn’t even ready to leave the home until 18 years, that it hardly bears mentioning
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 06:48 PM
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Have you? You don’t need to have personally experienced something to understand the science behind something. I don’t need to experience gangrene to know how it happens
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 05:58 PM
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Men don’t have as many opportunities to parent as women, maybe, but that doesn’t mean they’re any more or less innately equipped to raise children
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 09:35 AM
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I was disagreeing with the claim the man not having sex is the “least satisfied person in this equation.”
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 08:33 AM
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this is comically uninformed
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 08:31 AM
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It’s like when someone says they have depression and the response is, “what are you depressed about?”
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 08:28 AM
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I noticed you didn’t bother to actually provide proof, but the person you’re replying to actually did, proving you wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 08:25 AM
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Are you saying men aren’t as capable of being good parents as women are?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 07:53 AM
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I don’t think you understand how truly dissatisfying sex can be for women. “Mediocre sex” doesn’t necessarily mean no orgasm, sometimes it means pain
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 07:50 AM
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But men behave that way too. It’s not a gendered thing. It’s not an epidemic exclusive to men, it’s something everyone experiences at times. Unnecessarily turning it into a competition just breeds hate and, ironically, takes away empathy. You have to feel empathy to receive it
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 09:57 PM
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lol how? How would you prove you had empathy for men or women? This is reading more and more like a troll post
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 09:55 PM
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This is laughably untrue. But you’re not going to receive empathy by telling people you have no empathy for them
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 06:23 PM
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Yeah, that does happen too. But what I’ve seen is men become disgusted by a woman they find unattractive posting social media, not interacting with them directly. Women can be very cruel when a man they don’t find attractive approaches them.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 06:19 PM
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Where have you seen women lack empathy? In what situations? Real life?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 06:17 PM
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Because you’re consuming media targeted to support your viewpoint. I’ve seen nothing to suggest that women would not be okay with supporting men who have experienced sexual harassment. Have you tried visiting local support groups?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 08:53 AM
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I’m a woman, and I can only assume you’re asking to discredit or dismiss me. It’s really gross you’re trying to get people to recount their sexual harassment for you just to judge them and ask why you should care. You have a startling lack of empathy and are doing nothing to further your cause
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 08:52 AM
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People who have experienced sexual harassment, abuse, violence, etc should help each other. Not try to compete for who has it worse… they should be offering advice, names of helpful services, and anything else that can help
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 08:44 AM
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I have had my ass squeezed by a stranger at a bar and worse done to me by “friends” in situations they could pretend away as accident (although other people also noticed so I know I’m not crazy). In my experience, no one reacts in a meaningful way in these situations aside from awkwardly saying things like “wait, what just happened?” “What did he say?” “Are you ok?” And then all carries on as normal. Why do you want anecdotes of sexual harassment from strangers? What is this doing for you? Do yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 08:29 AM
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Of course men are vulnerable to abuse, and it’s shit society doesn’t recognize it as readily as they do women complaining of abuse. However, the answer isn’t to take on women as adversaries, which is what MRAs thrive on. Focus on getting help for yourself rather than burning down some imaginary bogeyman
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 08:10 AM
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It’s like some men are personally offended when women don’t do everything in their power to be as attractive as possible for their sake.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 06:43 AM
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This is just world syndrome influencing your expectations. The weird quiet ones are just as prone to become abusive as the normies ones. That is, it’s hard to identify people who will become abusive
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 07:21 AM
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The first sources don’t compare violence among same sex to heterosexual relationships so they don’t support your claim. And “same” is not the same as “higher” so your own source disproves your claim. The second isn’t the actual study, but a press outlet’s interpretation with various quotes, nor do they specify whether it’s lesbians with the highest rate of violence. Can you link to the actual study?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/23 05:00 PM
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This actually isn’t true, it’s a misunderstanding of CDC data. But post a source if you have it
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/23 06:28 AM
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You said: so 1/3 was still male violence even in lesbian relationships Incorrect. 1/3 had experienced at least ONE male perpetrator. Lesbians also have the highest rate of reocurring IPV, and have had at least 1 male partner in the past. Lesbians don’t have the highest rate of reoccurring IPV, bisexual women do
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 04:43 AM
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Bisexual women experience the most violence, based on your source. And you’ve provided no evidence, just speculation.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 04:23 AM
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Can you quote the portion that proves “the majority of the 1/3 that have had 1 assailant also have female assailants” because I’m not seeing it
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 03:26 AM
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In the study you quoted, the perpetrators include women and men. That is, the women identifying as lesbians still reported having male partners that were the source of some of the reported violence
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 05:01 PM
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This just isn’t true. The women in porn have been augmented. They’ve just been augmented in a way that appeals to most male viewers, which isn’t an overly muscular physique with a 6 pack but fit, huge fake breasts, nose job, ass implants or injections, etc. Sometimes labiaplasty.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 09:00 AM
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It’s a biological difference, in this case. https://digitalcommons.chapman.edu/psychology_articles/74/ Men orgasm much more easily. It’s almost a given. Women have a harder time, physiologically, orgasming. This isn’t a societal thing, it’s objectively biological. A man being angry and stressed about their partner not carrying their weight around the house (although it should still be addressed, obviously) will almost always still orgasm. But that’s not the case for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 09:56 PM
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I’d argue reading is just as, if not more so, beneficial as sports, but to each their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 04:28 AM
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As I said, most people don’t have meaningful hobbies. But I think it’s true of men as well
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 04:27 AM
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Oh look, it’s another version of the unsubstantiated myth that women don’t have meaningful hobbies. For every Instagram scrolling, reality TV binging woman, there is a man spending all his free time playing video games and watching sports. No shame for video games, sports, reality tv, Instagram, or whatever you’re into, but let’s not pretend that most people, regardless of gender, have meaningful, “respectable” hobbies. But if you have a source to support your claim related to gender differences…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 01:57 AM
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I had to back and read the whole stupid article to find this: Many took to the internet to express sympathy for the mother-of-two and unconfirmed internet rumors suggested she had killed herself across the weekend because of the public shaming Because she killed herself. Kind of missing some context. Would probably see the same with a man in this situation. Someone kills themself after public shaming, there’s generally sympathy. I can only you’re baiting
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 03:31 AM
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Where did it say that?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 09:31 PM
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I don’t think anyone has a “docile nature” except babies lol. Men are stereotyped as more aggressive because they commit more crime and murder, but perhaps that is only because of opportunity and disproportionate strength. I can believe women may be just as aggressive as men under certain circumstances, but if you’re trying to imply they’re innately more aggressive, I don’t buy it. And for physical abuse, it seemed like men were more often perpetrators for the elderly from your source. I don’t k…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 05:58 PM
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Oh sorry, I got it backwards. But my point is, women commit 70% of non-reciprocal violence, which is half of all IPV. What’s the breakdown for reciprocal violence, which comprises the other half?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 05:51 PM
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There were like 2 sympathetic comments and it’s from Facebook of all places, where people post the most unhinged things… you can find just as much unhinged rhetoric from the opposing side on Facebook if you look (e.g., the classic women should be in the kitchen)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 05:42 AM
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Who said this was empowerment?? They’re out of their minds.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 03:16 AM
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I suppose we could eliminate anyone from both groups with psychosis (not just neonatal) then. I don’t know how many cases would be explained by people experiencing general, not neonatal, psychosis. I mentioned it because it’s a specific event that explains the behavior. Yes, I think I’ve heard that before, that the genders express aggression differently and women use more social forms (although I have no specific studies in mind, this is just from memory). It just tends to have more extreme outc…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 02:00 AM
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That does show evidence for more women killing infants, but I assume the higher rates for women at certain age groups is associated with being around children more (at that age) or neonatal psychosis. If there was a study controlling for amount of time spent with children, that would align with your suggestion. Or you could look at who murders animal/pets and the elderly more (where I think both genders likely spend equal time/have equal opportunities) to see if it aligns with your idea. I perso…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 01:32 AM
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Do you have a source for children under 8 being killed more often by mothers? https://news.brown.edu/articles/2014/02/filicide The relevant text: “Among offenders, while fathers were about equally likely to kill an infant, they were more likely to be the alleged murderer of children older than a year, especially when the children were adults (fathers were the offenders in 78.3 percent of those cases). Overall, fathers were the accused murderer 57.4 percent of the time.”
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 11:03 PM
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This is a nice example of why more people should be skeptical when someone references “anecdotal evidence” to support claims
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 10:56 PM
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I agree men are victims more than society acknowledges. However, a correction/clarification: women commit more IPV in relationships that are reciprocally violent. Reciprocally violent relationships comprise half of all IPV. I have not seen anyone provide the breakdown for non reciprocal violence (which is the other 50%). I know it wasn’t the focus of the study the 70% figure was established in
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 09:40 PM
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More so for men, but likely less so for young boys. It’s not the young children normally reporting, but their parents connecting the dots and reporting. This will obviously change results. Unless you have proof for this specific claim?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 09:10 PM
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Why? What’s the evidence one type of abuse is reported more than the other?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 09:06 PM
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And you think other sexual abuse (e.g., the inverse, older men abusing young girls) is reported less rarely?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 06:20 PM
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Look up the actual survey items when debating the study’s meaning. Sexual entitlement was measured with the following items: If a partner were to ignore my sexual needs and desires, I’d feel hurt It would bother me if a sexual partner neglected my sexual needs and desires I would expect a sexual partner to be responsive to my sexual needs and feelings 17. I think it is important for a sexual partner to consider my sexual pleasure
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:12 AM
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Women’s entitlement was (ETA, since apparently it needs to be specified: significantly) greater at T1 only (not at T2, the second time point) meaning women have greater sexual entitlement under certain conditions, not always.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:02 AM
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Got it, thank you
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 07:18 PM
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I could be missing something, but I’m specifically wondering about differences in sentencing. Is there information about that in there I’m missing?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 06:25 PM
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Right. People, regardless of gender, aren’t very good at selling themselves. Loyalty is the bare minimum from a man or woman. They’re not wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 07:14 AM
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No idea. I have no idea the percentage of women who feel the effects of their boyfriends making an effort, either. Not sure where you’re going with this. Are you saying women make less effort than men in relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 04:08 AM
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Depends on the relationship. But making effort looks the same for both genders, in my opinion. Making time for the other person, doing kind things - could be cooking, could be buying something nice (but doesn’t have to involve money), planning a special date, etc. it’s not really a gendered thing
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 04:01 AM
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That sounds like men’s answers too though
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 03:51 AM
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I don’t disbelieve you (on its face, it makes sense), but do you mind providing a source? I see this claim a lot but haven’t seen the supporting studies yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 12:39 AM
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How do you spot the gold digging mindset? What does it look like?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 07:24 PM
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Believing in fresh and fit is like believing in Santa
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 03:54 PM
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Both women and men can absolutely make themselves look bad. You’re creating a false argument that’s easier to respond to than what I said
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 06:02 AM
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But toxic women are also cheaters, meaning they also bang 1000s of chadly men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 11:38 PM
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Fresh and Fit pre select their guests. There are no genuine conversations, no uncontrolled environments. Don’t be surprised the guests reinforce the narrative when they handpick them and have editing power (assuming these are edited).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 09:57 PM
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“Feminists” aren’t complaining about stay at home women doing more house chores. Working women are complaining about doing more house chores than their husband despite working similar hours
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 09:52 PM
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Solipsism/projection (is his proof)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 09:40 PM
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This seems relevant: http://gynodiversity.com/uploads/Classification_of_the_anatomical_variation_in_female_external_genitalia.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 12:59 AM
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To my knowledge, yes. I’m sure I could find some stats on vag shapes that might be helpful lol. Wouldn’t be the weirdest stat I’ve pulled up on here My point in bringing it up is just to point out that saying one particular shape is “common” can sort of sound like one shape is “normal” and another is not. So-called “Barbie” vulva are also normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 12:54 AM
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Just based on conversations I’ve read on places like Reddit or had with friends and my own body. Short (small or short? Don’t know the appropriate term) labia don’t seem that uncommon
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 12:49 AM
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Do the majority of women have larger/longer labia? I agree that women with larger labia shouldn’t be shamed, and larger labia are common, but how do you know it’s the most common? Many women have short/small labia too. I wouldn’t say it’s uncommon.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 12:37 AM
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Right. But Reddit doesn’t do well with nuance
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 09:12 PM
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Not sure how that relates to what I said at all. I made no comment on the content of what you said, just the strangeness of calling something “ironic” as though it’s been posted by the same person when it’s literally different people
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 04:09 PM
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Still ironic. The difference between most and all is usually lost on most people
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 04:07 PM
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How is it ironic if it’s literally different people posting? Are you so lost in the sauce you can’t recognize there isn’t one giant female hive man?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 07:27 AM
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This rhetoric is troubling. Did you know most non reciprocal violence is perpetrated by women? Is it the fault of the men who have experienced such violence for picking such women?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 07:25 AM
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Ah, here you are speaking on behalf of all men after complaining about women speaking on behalf of all women. Ironic. Neither gender is a monolith.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 07:22 AM
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I have always disagreed with the idea of a “wall” and that dating gets harder for the average woman and easier for the average man after a certain age. However, it does occur to me now that, for both sexes, if you’re single in your thirties (and not dating significantly younger people) you’ll have a smaller pool available to you. Many people pair off in their 20s
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 11:17 PM
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Sluts are women that will sleep with anyone except you
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 03:57 AM
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If you’re set on a diamond and want to save some money, lab grown is likely the best choice. Glass won’t last as long as diamond
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 06:50 AM
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I don’t think it’s a gender specific thought process. It’s a result of the just world fallacy
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 06:38 AM
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People contain multitudes
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 08:54 PM
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Thank you. This misinterpretation is so prevalent at this point
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 02:48 AM
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For whatever reason, this common misinterpretation of the CDC study really grinds my gears. You didn’t post the full stat: The CDC also stated that 43.8% of lesbian women reported experiencing physical violence, stalking, or rape by their partners. The study notes that, out of those 43.8%, two thirds (67.4%) reported exclusively female perpetrators
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 02:48 AM
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There’s actually not. The “multiple studies” you think you know are likely from posts like the OP misinterpreting the data
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 03:03 AM
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People here don’t care for science. If it doesn’t support their view, there’s a reason to dismiss it. If it does, it’s infallible. People here want their views confirmed, not challenged. Although to be fair that’s everyone, unless they’re involved in research. And even then, they’re not always immune to the same biases
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 07:14 AM
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Is it wrong to translate this as wahhhhhh?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 07:13 AM
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I was coming to comment this too. Not that this speaks to broader “real life” experiences, but a few predatory age gap relationships with older women - younger men exist in Hollywood and I’ve randomly stumbled across threads on Reddit where the people berating the predatory older woman seem to be other women. Maybe it’s not that older women care more about older man - younger women relationships, but they just care more about age gap relationships in general? Possibly because they’re more likely…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 01:41 AM
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This sounds like you’re saying people have no control over themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 05:30 AM
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Well, it’s not analogous to men complaining on Reddit because it’s two different generations. A better comparison would be tik tok or something
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 09:09 PM
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I was under the impression most younger generations don’t watch day time TV
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 06:25 PM
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The majority do not have solely joint accounts according to this: https://www.bankrate.com/banking/reasons-for-married-couples-to-consider-separate-bank-accounts/
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 06:23 PM
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Do you have a source? Most couples I know have a mix of separate and joint accounts.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 05:48 PM
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What do you mean by daytime talk?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 05:45 PM
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This isn’t a fair mindset. It should be about hours worked, not pay brought home. Split chores based on the times you have or be ready for resentment to (rightfully) brew
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 04:04 PM
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Depends on how they react. It very well could mean they’re not a good person and would not make a good partner
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 03:49 PM
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I agree with that. Unless someone has a study to contradict me, I don’t think attractiveness and tendency to mistreat your partner are related. But I don’t think people pick attractive people because they think all men are an asshole so why not pick the hot asshole. I think they pick attractive people because they’re attractive. Both men and women prefer attractive partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 03:49 PM
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No, that’s not what I’m implying or what I’ve said. You’re suggesting unattractive people are less likely to be toxic than attractive people which just isn’t true. It doesn’t mean attractive or unattractive men are both inherently toxic, it means picking an unattractive “boring” man doesn’t mean you’re more likely to end up with a more reliable, less toxic person. This is true for both genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 03:24 PM
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Right, but there’s a difference between being upset but coping in a healthy way vs. reacting in an unhealthy way and blaming and vilifying everyone else
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 03:22 PM
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Are you implying I said any of those things? I didn’t. You’re responding to a different argument you’ve constructed yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 02:24 PM
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No, I don’t think that’s true. Not everyone here is single, of course. And I’m sure men in relationships have empathy for single men. My response wasn’t a personal attack. I’ve seen some fairly toxic people on here, and selecting a “nice”, reliable partner (not sure those are what you meant by “right traits”) would exclude the loudest and most bitter of them
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 02:23 PM
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There seems to be this idea that “boring” nice guys who are average or below average in looks will be nicer, better partners. But I don’t think that’s true. People, women and men, who have been looked over for much of their life may deal with it in a healthy manner. But they may also become unhinged and toxic (as we see from some of the very posters who frequent this sub)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 04:08 AM
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Why do you assume the “boring” nice and unattractive people of the world are less likely to be toxic and mistreat their partners?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 04:05 AM
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What are the “right traits”? My hunch is even if women selected on the “right traits” it wouldn’t lead to the men complaining about not being selected being selected
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 04:00 AM
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I agree communication could definitely be part of the issue (and often is), and it’s incumbent on the unhappy person to speak up to resolve their unhappiness. If their partner doesn’t want to work through it, then there’s a problem. Generally blaming someone isn’t a great way to fix something. But it does depend on the specific situation as well
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 11:49 PM
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Yeah, I guess it would be helpful to be more specific. I was thinking women with vaginismus or who need lube or have a low sex drive - issues that can be fixed with steps the woman herself would likely need to take (e.g., maybe she’s on anti depressants suppressing her libido and needs to adjust them) - are the equivalent of men who have issues sustaining an erection.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 11:11 PM
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If we’re talking about vaginismus, as has been discussed elsewhere in the thread, it’s a medical issue that typically requires some kind of intervention (seeking outside help). It’s recognized as very much a personal condition and seems implausible anyone would blame a partner for it. Or are you talking about a different issue?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 10:24 PM
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I don’t think anyone has ever said painful intercourse is because of a lack of attraction. It’s because of a lack of care. And it would be shitty to make someone feel bad for struggling with something like that, but painful intercourse doesn’t equate to struggling to get an erection. It’s probably more accurate to equate a woman that has issues becoming aroused (maybe even vaginismus) and fails to go forward with intercourse at all with having a hard time getting an erection. Painful intercourse…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 08:29 PM
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Thank you for providing studies!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 02:23 AM
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I’m not here to defend the study. But has anyone here read it? They may have addressed this very issue. Actually, does anyone know the name of it?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 02:22 AM
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I’m not ignoring anything. Of course women were the primary perpetrators of violence in the cases of heterosexual men who experienced violence, just as men were the primary perpetrators of violence in the cases of heterosexual women who experienced violence: In contrast, 35% of heterosexual women reported having been victim of intimate partner violence, with 98.7% of them reporting male perpetrators exclusively Remember, I’m talking specifically about lesbian women and a specific misunderstood s…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 07:15 PM
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Sure, here’s a comment I’ve posted before explaining: Just because I often see this statistic misinterpreted and used as proof women are inherently more likely to perpetrate domestic violence, I’ll add that the perpetrator of violence in each of these cases isn’t necessarily the gender the reporting person is sexually attracted to. From the CDC/the Wikipedia on same sex intimate partner violence: The CDC also stated that 43.8% of lesbian women reported experiencing physical violence, stalking, o…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 06:30 PM
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How do you know male vs female orgasms are so different? Studies show both genders describe them similarly and the same parts of the brain activate. Women do generally have longer lasting orgasms though Edited to add links: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00289562 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/hbm.20733
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 06:17 PM
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The idea that lesbian women have the highest rate of domestic violence is actually incorrect. It’s the result of people misinterpreting a CDC study. They didn’t provide enough detail about the gender of the perpetrators to draw the conclusion lesbians perpetuate more violence
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 06:07 PM
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Thought what? I didn’t actively save any of the comments/threads I was thinking of, and the specific comment I had in mind was deleted. But here’s one thread: https://reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/pnWBLOUuNY This isn’t the best example, but I can link you the next one I come across if you want?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 04:23 PM
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Chances of becoming sterile, rather than chances of becoming pregnant. Pregnancy is more likely. Use birth control if you don’t want children
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 04:08 AM
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You don’t believe me?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 01:10 AM
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The one that immediately comes to mind was deleted. But I know I’ve seen it more than a handful of times
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 01:06 AM
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Congratulations! Hope you’re all doing well
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 01:02 AM
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I’ve read at least a few comments or threads implying, if not outright stating, it’s borderline impossible for women in their 30s to have children. I don’t think it’s necessarily a common belief, but I’ve seen it enough to start to wonder how widespread it is
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 12:59 AM
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It does, but the point I’m trying to make is “drop sharply” doesn’t mean impossible. In fact, it’s still more likely, than less likely, a pregnancy will occur over a period of time (as some people will interpret it)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 12:57 AM
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This is exactly the type of rhetoric I was thinking of. It’s a great way to encourage people to become unintentional parents
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 12:20 AM
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Yeah, reality would easily disprove this idea and I agree it’s likely a scare tactic. I’ve just read one too many posts/comments in the past week or so outright saying or alluding to the idea it’s very difficult, if not impossible, for a woman to become pregnant in her 30s. I’m starting to wonder if some people actually believe it
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 11:27 PM
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You would think so. I think it’s mostly people in their late teens/early 20s who genuinely believe this
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 11:23 PM
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I haven’t seen as much of that, at least not on PPD. I usually see discussion of male fertility brought up in reply to discussion of female fertility.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 11:16 PM
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It definitely does start to decline. That’s true. I made this comment thinking of people who take it to extremes
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 11:15 PM
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There’s this rhetoric in redpill spaces that women can’t become pregnant in their 30s/it’s borderline impossible. Whatever the motivation, it’s dangerous. If you don’t worry about birth control because of this belief, you’re more likely to have a child than not.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 11:08 PM
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Well, that’s disappointing. It has gone to more opinion pieces.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 05:13 PM
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Why has Scientific America “fallen from glory”? Is it because they’ve published posts by experts that cast doubt on your worldview? Related: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/four-fallacies/
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 03:24 PM
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A sample size of 2 won’t let you run any meaningful analyses. Too low power. It tells you nothing
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 05:37 AM
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What about a kid with each sexual partner Nick Cannon style?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 05:31 AM
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Be more specific
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 05:52 PM
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I don’t follow your argument. I never said anyone was “special,” but accurately pointed out that perceiving people as “cum rags” is indicative of a psychological problem. A special psychological problem, if you will. The language is intentionally dehumanizing and inflammatory. You could use the word “promiscuous,” but “cum rag” suggests a strong emotional (hate) response. No one would argue you need to date certain women. But seething with hatred (as your initial comment and reply indicate) indi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 05:52 PM
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Seeing people as “cum rags” indicates some deep underlying issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 02:21 PM
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What is “hard work”?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 06:00 AM
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Is this something you’ve actually experienced? I don’t know any women like this. Reads like old stereotype projections
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 05:54 AM
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If you have friends expecting you to pay for things or move heavy shit for them…they’re not your friends. This sub has a hard-on for the idea of women as thieving, value extracting succubus, but it’s not reality. Socially well adjusted people expect the following from friends and nothing else: good company, probably some common interests, someone to talk with, and someone to do things with. That’s it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 01:09 AM
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How often are you getting jumped on the street lol?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 05:05 AM
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“Completely provided for” You’ve also misread the article
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 03:25 AM
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Because most of them are speaking from the perspective of children being involved, which makes a massive difference in terms of workload
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 06:20 AM
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So you want to be a distant, absent father?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 06:07 AM
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It’s not about the name coming from someone of a specific gender, it’s about the name you’ve had the longest.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 03:22 AM
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I pay a cleaning service to clean my house twice a month. Does that mean I’m not independent? The idea that paying for a service - such as a mechanic - reflects a lack of independence doesn’t make sense to me
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 10:29 PM
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Grindr works too
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 10:08 PM
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Cool, but let’s not pretend they actively enforce the draft either. An MRA group should take the draft on
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 05:06 AM
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It’s not why feminism was created. Also, let’s resume this discussion when the draft is activated (it won’t be)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 04:56 AM
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Probably because we haven’t had an active draft in decades. If they activated it, I guarantee feminists and all other relevant organizations would take a much higher interest in it. But as of now, it’s not the most salient issue
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 04:26 AM
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Feminism wants to disband the military draft
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 03:12 AM
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Most people date others with a similar SES. Men generally make more money than women so it’s not surprising their SES “counterparts” make a bit less money. Although yes, there are also women seeking sugar daddies. But in general, I don’t think people issue surveys before dating to make sure their boyfriend makes more than them
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 04:45 PM
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Story as old as when women didn’t have their own money.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 05:47 AM
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A lot of these suggestions seem reasonable and, in my opinion, aren’t inconsistent with more leftist thinking. I don’t think society pathologizes sex or men for finding women attractive. If that attraction tips into unwanted harassment, however... I do agree a lot of women are unnecessarily harsh and cruel about height. I also agree no one should have to date someone they find unattractive, whether it’s height or obesity that’s the main barrier. No one should be made to feel bad for physical tra…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 01:41 AM
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No, when people criticize the patriarchy they aren’t criticizing men or masculinity. They’re criticizing the current system, current gender role expectations. If that’s what you think it means, you aren’t informed enough to accurately talk about it. At least understand what the other side is saying before trying to critique it
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 12:53 AM
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BOTH MEN AND WOMEN to compromise and balance their biological desires, not just men. How do you think this could be achieved?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 12:37 AM
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Apparently, according to certain posters on PPD, you can tell: 1. Whether a man is sexually active simply by interacting with him for a brief period of time 2. Whether a woman has a high body count by how “vacant” her stare is Some truly astonishing magical thinking
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 12:28 AM
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At its most basic element, you’re questioning whether people care more about money than their children. That’s simply not true, unless the person has something deeply wrong with them. Putting children above everything else is perhaps the strongest biological directive
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 12:32 AM
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Most people marry into similar socioeconomic statuses and ages. All that aside, everyone should have a backup plan in case a relationship doesn’t work out for one reason or another. Nobody should ever be fully reliant on someone else/totally without an option of that person disappears
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 12:30 AM
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It’s a false equivalence. Consent can be revoked at any time during sex for men. That’s the correct equivalent to consent can be revoked at any time for women. Men and women are also both free to break up at any point, but labeling it as “consent” just seems like a silly way to throw disdain at the idea of someone stopping sex by revoking their consent
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 12:24 AM
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Truerateme was specifically created to lower self esteem
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 11:53 PM
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It sounds like you’re working on self improvement, which is great. But don’t hurt yourself trying to make yourself more desirable. Most of the time, it’s more to appease an inner ideal than it would change the mind of any actual person. And I wouldn’t try to dissuade someone from their goals. Just don’t let online spaces infect your perspective. Chads are more of an internet myth than a reality
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 05:28 AM
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I wouldn’t try and dissuade you from going abroad. More power to you. But the motivation seems to stem from a deep insecurity that will inevitably manifest in other aspects of life, perhaps even the romantic area despite having a virgin wife. That type of insecurity will haunt your every step. Some people claim you can gauge the amount of sex partners or the amount of sex someone is having from a single interaction, but I contend insecurity is far more evident. Seek therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 05:06 AM
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Because people have different motives when responding to forums than to online surveys.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 04:52 PM
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I see a lot of men argue men don’t care about their partner’s education or job more than I see women trying to argue men should care about education or job. But, in reality, people tend to date others with the same job/in the same social class Also your argument about genders and majors seems based on stereotypes rather than facts: https://inside.collegefactual.com/stories/the-most-popular-majors-for-women-men
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 04:47 PM
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Different premise. Are these guys responding to anonymous self report surveys or do you mean people posting on Reddit? No one will interact with or respond to an anonymous survey response.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 04:32 PM
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Telemarketers have your number and usually your name, and you have to interact with them. Online surveys require no interaction and typically collect no identifying information. Different premises
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 04:30 PM
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Telemarketing is completely separate from research based surveys….
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 03:54 AM
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Of course no survey is without measurement error. But pretending you can completely discard the results because “everyone lies” is its own form of ignorance. And the author of this post has provided multiple supporting sources, providing additional support.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 03:53 AM
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Cope
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 03:37 AM
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Not much lying on anonymous surveys. People just use that idea to discredit information that doesn’t align with their worldviews
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 03:29 AM
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We’re talking about the Jonah hill situation?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 12:52 AM
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Sounds like the slippery slope fallacy. Most people agree telling your partner what to wear is controlling. Most people also agree sleeping with someone else is cheating Also what is this “gynocentric” nonsense claim?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 11:33 PM
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Women need men to replicate too. You’re ignoring your own logic (or at least not even considering how it applies to the other gender) when it suits you
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 07:21 AM
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And you say men don’t need women for their survival at all? So why do men date and want to be in committed relationships with women?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 06:54 AM
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It’s cockblocking to talk about abuse?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 07:35 AM
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Yeah, I was using it as an example of things people used to think (and still do, in some cases) are “common sense” but are objectively false
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 07:02 PM
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Not sure I follow. Are you saying the earth is flat?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 05:52 PM
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I mean this in the nicest way possible: seek therapy. If you hate 50% of people you have to interact with on a daily basis, you’re going to have a bad time
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 04:53 AM
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I wasn’t specifically thinking of STEM, but other stereotypically male jobs: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/20/upshot/as-women-take-over-a-male-dominated-field-the-pay-drops.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare I don’t know why fewer women want to work in STEM. Is your conclusion that they’re dumber?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 01:59 AM
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It’s diverging less over time, though. And promoting feminism doesn’t equate to more or less women working in certain fields. Most working peoples’ moms were of a generation corresponding to the gender stereotyped roles I mentioned. We aren’t enough generations out for the impact to completely go away. There may be some innate preference involved, but I wouldn’t chalk it up to laziness “women bad men good”
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 01:50 AM
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Fair point. I was just using it as an example of ideas that have been touted as “common sense” but are actually objectively wrong. I’m sure there’s better examples
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 12:10 AM
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Tests designed to assess intelligence: aptitude tests, ability tests (e.g., SAT). They’re not a perfect indicator of intelligence, but they’re the best we have in terms of predicting performance on the job. This isn’t some shit I’m pulling out of thin air, this is a well supported, long studied science. I’m happy to pull up citations if you care to see them. Income and job type aren’t as directly related to intelligence. There’s too many moderating factors that would need to be controlled for. B…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 11:36 PM
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Going to copy a reply I wrote elsewhere: There’s definitely an element of conditioning. We tend to mimic the parental figures in our lives or examples we see in media. Women weren’t even really in the workforce until relatively recently, and the jobs they initially had were seen as more suitable for women (e.g., secretaries). If you only see men doing a certain type of job, fewer women will pursue it. This is slowly changing over time, and there may even be a preference element, but it’s not an …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 11:22 PM
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Several different cultures believed in a flat earth, although certainly not all. But it’s in no way a myth
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 11:21 PM
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By saying women “underperform” relative to men you mean there are less women in STEM? And you’re using the pay gap to indicate performance? Earned income definitely isn’t an indicator of performance - more women are likely to take time off due to raising children. I’m not saying women are paid less due to being women, but there are systemic issues that lead them to being paid less (childcare issues). It’s not an indicator of performance
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 11:18 PM
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What’s the conclusion? Women are innately lazier than men?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 11:04 PM
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Men outperform women in what way?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 11:03 PM
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There’s definitely an element of conditioning. We tend to mimic the parental figures in our lives or examples we see in media. Women weren’t even really in the workforce until relatively recently, and the jobs they initially had were seen as more suitable for women (e.g., secretaries). If you only see men doing a certain type of job, fewer women will pursue it. This is slowly changing over time, and there may even be a preference element, but it’s not an indicator of intelligence.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 08:36 PM
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“Common sense.” Like the earth being flat
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 08:31 PM
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More men do physically demanding jobs that require hard labor but not as much intelligence. The “dirty” jobs of society, some would say. Does that mean men are stupider than women? Also, you ignored my point about being conditioned to pursue certain jobs and nursing and teaching being bad examples of mentally unchallenging jobs
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 08:28 PM
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Because they’re innately stupider? No, because both genders have been socially conditioned to pursue specific types of jobs. Also, you’re delusional and uninformed if you think nursing and teaching are “intellectually” lazy. More men work physically, less mentally, demanding jobs. Does that make them stupider than women?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 08:20 PM
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What are “lazier” careers?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 08:11 PM
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Do you have proof half of all rape allegations are false?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 06:16 PM
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Thank you! I was surprised how many people were willing to accept this as as equivalent scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 07:02 PM
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We’re in the age of long term dating strategies
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 03:55 AM
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You really can’t see the difference between fearing for someone’s life vs fearing your partner interacting with someone hot/getting hit on?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 09:41 PM
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So we’re just arguing semantics. Fine, I’ll agree that asking your partner to change anything is controlling (putting aside that this word is commonly only used to describe morally reprehensible behavior…which is maybe what we ultimately disagree on: what is morally reprehensible behavior?). I think asking someone to change something because you’re insecure is bad behavior and asking someone to change something because you’re afraid for their life is valid. That’s why I didn’t think your analogy…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 09:22 PM
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I don’t see insecurity as a legitimate reason for wanting someone to change their job though. Especially if they knew all of it going in. I think that’s where we agree to disagree
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 09:15 PM
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I disagree. I don’t think it’s controlling to tell your partner you don’t want them to re enlist because you fear for their life or you can no longer handle raising kids alone or whatever the reason for the sudden change of heart is. If you bring a valid concern forward and discuss it, that’s not controlling. But telling your partner point blank you can’t do this or that - because it threatens your ego - is controlling. I suppose it comes down to delivery as well. But if you want your partner to…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 09:13 PM
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How is your point about trucking being dangerous related to what we’re talking about? I understand most people in the military don’t actively see war, but you specifically said “asking them not to go back to war” which painted an extreme picture. You were the one implying the danger, intentionally or not. Why doesn’t it make sense? Yes, people have an issue because of the insecurity. Which is why I was using an example created by the same underlying insecurity instead of more valid reasons - lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 09:02 PM
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I agree to a certain extent, except going to war endangers your life. Kind of more extreme than posting a bikini pic. A better analogy would be an actress dating a professional surfer and then asking him not to post shirtless pics or pics with female surfers.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 08:49 PM
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Nah, if he just politely broke up with her and moved on we wouldn’t be having this conversation
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 08:31 PM
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Then why do high earning men marry high earning women? People generally marry other people in the same socioeconomic situation/salary range
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 06:47 AM
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You’re projecting your own desires and thoughts onto other people. Not everyone is you
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 06:47 AM
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This is all very interesting. Would you please share the sources?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 04:26 AM
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If you do elevate your thoughts and their portrayal here to a second grade level, that would make it easier for everyone else to comprehend them
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 03:45 AM
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This is unrelated. It doesn’t align with the idea studies on sex and leadership - and publishing results that are sometimes negative and sometimes positive to both genders - are “taboo.” Research on sex and leadership is an entire sub field of research. Look up studies in the Journal of Applied Psychology and Leadership Quarterly
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 12:52 AM
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It’s actually not at all taboo to do studies on gender and leadership, even if studies show men in a positive light or women in a negative light.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 11:42 PM
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True. I had a hard time understanding exactly what he was trying to say, but yes, arguing that being a stay at home parent is “less stressful” is silly
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 11:41 PM
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Okay, conspiracy theorist. Throw away any scientific evidence that doesn’t fit your worldview. But that’s not how science and publishing works
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 11:13 PM
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So no, you don’t have a source.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 11:11 PM
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Do you have a source to support the claim overworked women take out their stress on their partners more than overworked men? Or is this just “personal experience”?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 09:44 PM
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Men can comfort their children too. If you think being a good father boils down to making a lot of money and having a high status job, you are very uninformed.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 09:43 PM
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I was asking for a study including SES as a control. You made the initial claim so you should provide the evidence. Although, it’s interesting you keep focusing on single motherhood - you’ve also made the assumption it’s the lack of a father, rather than 2 stable parents, specifically that’s the problem. Would a child in a similar single father family do better? Do you have a source comparing both types of family structures?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 01:55 AM
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Would love to see some stats instead of unfounded speculations
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 11:35 PM
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Children of single mothers get a bad rap, but it’s mostly due to poverty. Show me a study that controls for financial resources and I’m confident children of single mother - with adequate resources - turn out fine. Especially if they were motivated to have the child in the first place, not grudgingly doing their best when faced with no other choice
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 05:13 AM
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Fuck them kids
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 01:28 AM
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By feminist, do you just mean politically left leaning women?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 01:27 AM
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I’m not necessarily disagreeing with your general point, but poultry and cows are surprisingly intelligent. At least, smarter than I thought before finding out more about them
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 01:21 AM
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Caprese
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 06:32 PM
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Yes, SSRIs cause withdrawal. You’re supposed to taper off carefully. So do a lot of medications. And other things, like coffee. Not sure what that has to do with anything? Not everyone needs an SSRI, but some people absolutely do. And I never said happy people seek anti depressants. Just that people taking antidepressants likely no longer have depression. And it’s silly to try and use this - however many people take anti depressants - as some kind of proof modern society is inherently unhappy. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 11:57 PM
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I think you missed my point. I wouldn’t say it’s a marker for happiness, but I was pointing out the irony of implying people taking anti depressants imply a depressed country…because doesn’t it imply the opposite? Just breaking down the logic. Also, you’re uneducated about SSRIs.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 04:25 PM
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Lol sure. Do you also believe in a flat earth?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 07:53 AM
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I’m not arguing the West is perfect and amazing. But I also wouldn’t argue that taking antidepressants indicates some major country level crisis. On the contrary, doesn’t it imply a good amount of the population is actually happy? Because they’re medicated?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 07:43 AM
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Therapy and antidepressant use rising isn’t necessarily because people are more depressed. It doesn’t make the point you think it does. Doctors are more willing to prescribe and they’ve become more accepted in mainstream society, hence a higher use. Also, a lot of antidepressants didn’t even exist a decade or so ago
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 07:31 AM
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It’s kind of funny you consume porn yet resent the people who produce it
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 04:06 PM
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Yeah, the data isn’t very convincing
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 03:33 PM
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Why do you care if people charge money for selling porn? Is apple or a software company making money off of you better?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 05:27 AM
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Studies on online dating should include other social media platforms, but the ones reported here are generally just stats reported from one app by the app itself
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 05:21 AM
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This is just a projection of your current situation
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 04:45 AM
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Linking to another Reddit comment isn’t a source
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 04:43 AM
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Objectively, yes, having higher level degrees leads to more success, by which I mean money. It’s a well-established relationship. The higher the level of education, the more money you are likely to make and the better life outcomes you have. This is supported by the Bureau of Labor Statistics. And no, many of these couples I mentioned have children. As I said, having stable, well paying careers and children isn’t mutually exclusive. In recent times, the majority of couples with children both wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 05:52 PM
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Yes, having higher degrees does correlate with ambition. By ambition, I mean wanting to have a stable, well paying career and making it happen. It doesn’t necessarily have to be a PhD. If you’re pursuing a degree for the sake of the degree, not the job, that’s not what I’m talking about. Although at the PhD level that’s unlikely to happen - you generally aren’t going to be accepted to the program unless you have a clear idea of what you plan to do with the degree. Although it varies by field, ob…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 05:27 PM
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Disagree with one, because it runs counter to what I’ve heard and seen in my personal experience. People with ambition prefer others with the same amount of ambition or drive, in my experience. They want people with similar life experiences so they can relate better. But to each their own
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 04:01 PM
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And you have what evidence to support this? This runs counter to marriage statistics. And, anecdotally, I have a PhD and work with PhDs. None of my colleagues are marrying cashiers. Not a slight against cashiers, it just doesn’t happen. People overwhelmingly marry people in the same class, with the same level of education as themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 07:29 AM
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Most people marry people with the same level of education/in the same class
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 07:14 AM
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Marriage being affected by education levels is not the same thing and does not support the idea that people pursue education specifically for something related to marriage
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 07:12 AM
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Could you share a source? Curious how many woman, relative to men, have degrees now
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 06:58 AM
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Aren’t most older women in relationships though? Meaning most women warning younger women are in relationships? So what exactly are they jealous of?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 06:54 AM
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A lot of the “anecdotes” sound like rage bait to me
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 06:45 AM
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What do you mean by “opposite of a rising trend”? The data show the trend is that fewer men are the sole breadwinner in marriages. Also: Depends on what you define as leisure time on top of women being pretty inefficient while doing chores. What’s your proof for this?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 05:55 PM
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No, they weren’t allowed to. You’re deliberately missing the point, doing mental gymnastics to avoid a very objective, obvious reality to embrace emotion driven reasoning.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 05:49 PM
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Here’s a discussion of a fun study I found suggesting men and women are both equally “visually” aroused: https://www.mindbodygreen.com/articles/men-not-more-visual-or-easily-aroused-than-women-research-shows Do with this what you will
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 04:51 PM
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Even if that is true, women still didn’t have the ability to contribute or work in the same manner as men until very recently in human history.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 04:50 PM
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And yet, they typically do. People overwhelmingly marry people from similar classes/social backgrounds as themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 04:45 PM
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I’ve had the opposite experience, primarily female workplaces have been much more productive and less drama ridden
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 05:28 AM
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I don’t know the actual logic behind it, but maybe because there’s a higher likelihood of one of the male subs of those natures (think a male equivalent of TwoX) producing a mass shooter?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 09:47 PM
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I have a difficult time believing the quoted portions are things women actually said
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 01:12 AM
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The person posting this hates the person they’re pretending to be
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 06:12 AM
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Fair, but my point is “scam” isn’t really the word I would use in this context
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 06:33 AM
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I don’t know about empowerment, but they’re making fortunes. Who is scamming who?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 01:53 AM
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I wonder if it ruined dating or just made dynamics that were less visible before more obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 05:59 AM
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It’s not unconditional, but it’s not entirely transactional either.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 05:33 PM
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Women are more likely to leave. How does that factor into this idea?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 05:31 PM
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It’s always people with no formal training or understanding using it to support outlandish, unsupported claims. Relevant: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/four-fallacies/
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 06:01 AM
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And dark triad traits doesn’t mean full blown sociopathy, which is something else people misunderstand
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 03:42 PM
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What is this point about newborns being exclusively killed by mothers lol? That women are evil or innately bad mothers? Does men being more likely to kill their partners mean anything for the average man? No. And it’s actually a myth: https://news.brown.edu/articles/2014/02/filicide Among offenders, while fathers were about equally likely to kill an infant, they were more likely to be the alleged murderer of children older than a year, especially when the children were adults (fathers were the o…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 03:42 PM
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If the father wants the child and the mother doesn’t, she can absolutely be held accountable for child support
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 06:34 AM
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Well, you’re making the assumption people are only together to reproduce, which reflects a misunderstanding of the average human experience. My point was, if people are literally only together to have children, why would so many people bother when you can easily adopt? Also, your argument rests on the assumption people want to be single parents
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 06:33 AM
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You can already reproduce without another person. Adoption. And there’s a very obvious reason why women didn’t build societies to the same extent men did, not some innate difference in ability.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 03:23 AM
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In what way are men held accountable for having sex and women are not?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 03:21 AM
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That’s not an answer
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 10:46 PM
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If you know people like this, cut them out of your life. And women are being held less accountable for their actions than ever before? In what way?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 10:30 PM
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I don’t know that most people would “teehee” at those incidents. Not in 2023. No one in my social circle, women or man, would.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 08:42 PM
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That 70% figure is only true for non reciprocally violent relationships which comprise half of violent relationships overall. The other half are considered reciprocally violent relationships, and I don’t know what the breakdown is there because the authors didn’t report that. I don’t disagree that men are more often victims than society would have you believe, but by your own sources, there isn’t a consensus that women are more often perpetrators of domestic abuse (source 2 and 4 say the opposit…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 08:20 PM
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It adds context
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 03:26 PM
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Yes, there’s definitely a lot of underpaid overworked jobs in America
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 03:56 AM
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You’re in for a surprise
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 02:57 AM
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Do you have kids?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 02:21 AM
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It doesn’t make sense to allocate chores based on amount of money earned. It should be based on hours worked/availability. If you have a cushy sub 40 hour job but your partner is working 60 hour weeks earning less, it would be really shitty and unfair to expect them to do more around the house
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 02:01 AM
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In Norway, the country one of those links cover, men were also negative. Women were more expensive because they were likely to work part time, presumably to care for kids, and received more benefits related to kids. So fuck them kids, I guess
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 10:57 PM
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Lower is not negative. It’s, in part, because they live longer. So people who don’t live as long and make more money should have special privileges?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 02:57 PM
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Or you’re just projecting your own beliefs and desires on the world and interpreting everything through that lens. Unless you have data, I’m not inclined to think that’s the most rationale explanation
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 04:33 AM
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Source? Putting the truth of that claim aside, let’s follow that logic to its natural conclusion: people who pay more in taxes (the wealthy) deserve special privileges.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 03:26 AM
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Not true. Most people marry people that make similar money.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 03:11 AM
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So for the first situation, it would be a risk to wait. For the second situation, it could be a weed out mechanism for incompatible partners. I’m not really for or against casual sex/hook ups but just following this thread to its logical end
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 07:58 PM
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Is it a “risk” if it weeds out the men who were going to leave eventually anyways?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 05:43 AM
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You are paying a premium for a name, but it's fine if that name is actually providing something that is better or different, as oppose to just providing nothing new of value except for the name. Cars can have more comfort, more manoeuvrability, watches can have different or more delicate internal mechanisms. A bag is a bag is a bag, and the Louis Vuitton name doesn't really make the bag any better at holding stuff, and doesn't make it really significantly better-looking than other designer bags.…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 06:53 PM
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And a lot of cars are a marketing gimmick too. The Tesla, in my humble opinion, is very overpriced. In general, you are paying a premium for a name. You’re also arguing watches and cars and suits have more practical value. Why? A bag holds shit. A car gets you from point A to point B. A watch does nothing but tell the time and look nice, when we have smartphones for that. If we want to talk about practicality, there’s never a reason to justify buying an expensive luxury car when you can buy a us…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 06:05 PM
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It’s the same principle for watches and suits. Maybe you could make an argument for cars, but the value depreciates a lot faster than it does for bags. You really can’t justify this
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 05:00 PM
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Anecdotes from a clearly biased source. Also, what’s your definition of rich?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 07:58 PM
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You’re just projecting your own beliefs and rationalizing away facts that don’t align with your worldview. It’s telling that you think someone being smart means they won’t agree with you. Wonder why that is…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 07:47 PM
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Then I misinterpreted what you were saying. I’m sure there are some people who want others to be jailed regardless of the evidence. Regardless, Tate was jailed because there was enough evidence to conclude he was a danger. Investigations like this can take months or over a year
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 07:11 PM
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Sure, they are. But does being a beautiful “trophy” wife automatically imply being dumb? Some of the most successful men, who have the most options, are married to beautiful and successful women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 06:58 PM
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Intelligence isn’t important to some people because they’re not very intelligent. Like attracts like
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 06:16 PM
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I didn’t say that’s why he was arrested. It just seems like an indicator of guilt - such that it wouldn’t be surprising that there is evidence. Point being, there was enough evidence to begin an initial investigation and declare him too dangerous to be released. You’re free to believe Tate, but he wasn’t arrested because he’s unpopular
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 06:13 PM
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That’s what Tate’s team has been saying. But the reality is it takes time to build a case. Only time will tell. But you can’t arrest someone simply because they’re unpopular. There was enough initial evidence (in addition to Tate outright saying he moved to Romania because the rape laws are more lenient…) to take him into custody
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 04:48 PM
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Luxury cars, watches, and suits absolutely do not have more practical value than bags lol. They’re all frivolous
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 02:39 AM
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You’re saying they have no evidence on Tate?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 02:34 AM
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Stuff other men do. Stuff you’re personally bad at.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 04:09 PM
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Nah. Projection.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 03:22 PM
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It’s not a counter argument, it’s an observation. And “men don’t view women as smart” is classic projection. It would be more accurate for you to say “I don’t view women as smart.”
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 12:42 AM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 10:59 PM
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Disagree. I think it’s a fallacy. Something being difficult doesn’t mean it’s inherently respectable, admirable, and good. Something being easy doesn’t mean it’s inherently without value and bad. It’s just a way people justify societal gender roles they’ve internalized
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 05:49 PM
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I was about to make the same comment…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 05:39 PM
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We like ‘em broke and dumb round here
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 07:51 AM
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Dunning Kruger effect in the wild
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 07:46 AM
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The latter claim is not true. You’re ignoring scientific evidence
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 08:17 PM
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Everyone’s love is conditional
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 08:09 PM
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Maybe? I feel as though it’s become more extreme over time. Or maybe I’ve become more intolerant
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 05:18 PM
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Over the last year, it seems as though this sub has moved closer and closer to another men’s rights sub
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 07:58 AM
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“If I exclude men with the highest n count from the average, women have the highest n count.” Data manipulation
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 07:50 AM
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Possibly. Being beautiful and rich doesn’t make all your problems go away. People are very good at adapting - to negative and positive circumstances - and find new problems (the phrase mo money, mo problems is an example). What you’re describing is the what is beautiful is good effect/bias
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 07:13 AM
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That’s because people don’t understand why anecdotal evidence is misleading and likely haven’t taken a research methods or statistics course before
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 06:15 AM
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There’s data from the CDC which gathered data from health agencies. But I’m sure whatever Fox News rabbit hole you get your data from is more accurate. Are you also a flat earther?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 06:00 AM
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Are you saying it’s a huge conspiracy? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_termination_of_pregnancy
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 05:30 AM
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Abortions at or after 21 weeks represent 1% of abortions
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 05:09 AM
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Premium incel fanfiction
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 01:38 AM
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And it likely goes both ways
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 01:13 AM
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But you can’t immediately throw away the results of a study you don’t agree with without seeing if the authors took the appropriate steps to overcome those limitations. Going for sample size seems like a knee jerk reaction when someone doesn’t agree
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 01:08 AM
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Well, at least be honest your views are coming from an emotional place rather than presenting them as logical “statistical truths”
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 01:00 AM
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I wasn’t using too much power as a criticism though. I was mentioning it because a lot of people don’t understand that, they just default to criticizing the sample size as too small without understanding that’s something researchers often devote a lot of attention to deciding on beforehand. And you don’t believe in self reported studies at all? Why even reference them them? There’s some things (like sexual behavior) that can literally only be studied with self report and there’s an entire litera…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 12:58 AM
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And you can actually examine whether non response bias and sampling bias are a problem with different statistical methods. Do we know that the authors didn’t do these things or are you assuming?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 12:26 AM
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That’s not true. Power is determined by the type of effect you expect to find and type of analysis. A small sample size can have the perfect amount of power (.8) if it aligns with the type of analysis and size of the expected effect size. You can actually have too big of a sample/too much power and find an effect when there isn’t one. All this to say, it’s not usually a great criticism.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 12:25 AM
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That’s just a bunch of anecdotal stereotyping. You obviously don’t like women
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 12:23 AM
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Having a small sample size doesn’t inherently mean less reliability. Do you know what a power analysis is?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 12:10 AM
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People spend more time on here worrying about the possibility of being shamed than they do actually interacting with any women
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 12:09 AM
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What’s the actual statistical truth source? And doesn’t that go both ways? Less money, people need another person’s income to survive.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 12:08 AM
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Okay, that is very unfortunate. But I’m wondering how often that happens? I do think that shouldn’t be a requirement, but I’d also argue it’s not common enough to use as an attack on child care payment requirements. Kind of like arguing women shouldn’t get married because their husband might kill them
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 05:22 PM
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Source? That’s not happening very frequently.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 04:02 PM
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I also don’t understand this mentality. Do you not care about your children’s quality of life? And the idea that the children aren’t related to you is pretty damn ridiculous/something that can easily be verified
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 04:39 PM
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Oh yeah, easy jobs like nursing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 04:37 PM
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Citation needed
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 04:36 PM
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I don’t think you expressed your point clearly then.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 04:19 AM
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It sounded like you were basically saying it’s a feat for men not to destroy items or hit women when they’re feeling strong emotions, like that’s what comes naturally, and they should be commended for not behaving violently. Like it’s a great accomplishment
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 04:08 AM
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You have a low view of men if you think it’s a struggle not to hit doors when expressing emotion. You’re implying men are animals who can’t control themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 03:09 AM
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Here’s one school of thought: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/201101/women-are-more-beautiful-men
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 06:47 AM
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No, they put down down women instead
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 01:57 AM
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No, but I only know one divorced couple with kids. They decided on joint custody together, no conflict I think your question also points out your emphasis on anecdotes (which are not useful) versus actual data
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 03:04 PM
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Most custody is decided without lawyer intervention
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 03:03 PM
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Right. So it’s all biased speculation. For instance, I could speculate most men readily agree to giving full custody to the mother because it’s easier for them, but without the data, there’s no proof
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 05:45 AM
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It doesn’t explain the vast majority of custody arrangements. It’s likely an outlier. Unless you have a source?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 04:50 AM
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I’m assuming those places are banned because they move into radicalization territory that breeds Elliot Rodger types
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 04:27 AM
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Too far gone in what way?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 04:23 AM
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N = 1 A sample size of one/anecdotal evidence is not credible
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 04:19 AM
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That’s not how reciprocal violence is defined. It’s not exclusive to one gender imitating violence. But please share your sources for who initiates violence more in reciprocally violent relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 05:22 PM
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The review doesn’t cite 100 studies saying lesbian violence is more pervasive than heterosexual violence. It cites articles about lesbian violence in general. I haven’t pulled the Messinger article yet, but go ahead and show me the relevant pieces if you’ve already read it
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 05:20 PM
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From the CDC/the Wikipedia on same sex intimate partner violence: The CDC also stated that 43.8% of lesbian women reported experiencing physical violence, stalking, or rape by their partners. The study notes that, out of those 43.8%, two thirds (67.4%) reported exclusively female perpetrators. The other third reported at least one perpetrator being male, however the study made no distinction between victims who experienced violence from male perpetrators only and those who reported both male and…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 06:07 AM
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They mention lesbian and gay couples,not just lesbian couples. And I haven’t tracked down the Messinger (2011) article, but if it’s the same approach as used by the intimate partner violence survey that is frequently misinterpreted, gay/lesbian/bisexual straight individuals reported being victims of male and female violence, regardless of their sexual orientation. That is, lesbian women reported being victimized by both men and women, and if you look at the perpetrator break down, it’s not prima…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 06:02 AM
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I think looking at 49% as a reflection of which fathers are asking for custody isn’t really accurate - the father may instead want the child to be with the mother’s parents, his parents, or just hate the mother. I’m not sure what the other options to that survey were. The only way to know for certain would be to have actual figures directly tied to who is asking for custody and who is not Also, why are you just assuming joint custody isn’t worked out amongst the parents to reflect their desires?…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 05:24 AM
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Am I missing a particular portion or source that compares the proportion of violence in lesbian relationships to same sex male or heterosexual relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 04:32 AM
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I guess what I’m asking isn’t the % of men given custody. But the % of men that ask for custody and are then denied
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 04:30 AM
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That 70% figure is only true for non reciprocally violent relationships which comprise half of violent relationships overall. The other half are considered reciprocally violent relationships, and I don’t know what the breakdown is there because the authors didn’t report that
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 04:28 AM
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Do most men request custody, though?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 04:08 AM
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The lesbian couple violence myth is based on a misinterpreted National Intimate Partner and Violence survey. But if you have a source, share it
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 04:04 AM
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I also would like to see a source
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 06:49 PM
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I don’t think you understand how society works or you’re a troll
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 08:44 AM
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You haven’t proven the poor kids are also the obese kids being discussed.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 08:40 AM
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So you admire men who pursue fatherhood and subsequently abandon their children. And want them to be absolved of any responsibility whatsoever. Kind of sounds like your real argument is for men to have no responsibility for pregnancies and children - regardless of whether they use protection, in fact even when they actively pursue fatherhood, knowing they’ll be absent fathers
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 08:32 AM
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Porn would have you believe this, but it’s not true
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 12:53 AM
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But we’re not there yet. That’s a hypothetical situation to avoid addressing the realities of the current situation. People currently do trust videos
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 08:02 PM
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Women couldn’t have bank accounts in their name until the 1960s
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 01:21 AM
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We’re just going to ignore actual obesity statistics in favor of anecdotal evidence, then?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 04:06 AM
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And you see some men here putting forth arguments that essentially amount to a plea for enforced monogamy. Maybe these two groups should date each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 04:04 AM
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What countries are you thinking of? I focused on the education part because that part was the most insane to me. You think having a dumber population would lead to more women settling? I don’t know what would happen long term, but short term, things would get very, very ugly. One impact of removing all of those social programs would be increased homelessness. Increased crime. Lots of elderly people who depend on Medicaid suddenly without care. And you don’t think men would be affected? Men also …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 02:12 AM
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How the hell would taking away free education address this? How is having a stupider population beneficial for anyone? Is it a “if I’m not getting laid, we should burn the whole world down” kind of mentality?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 12:26 AM
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Women focus on personality because I think they subconsciously see attractiveness as a “necessary but not sufficient” condition
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/23 08:18 PM
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I’ll concede that it depends on the context. But you’re allowed to like what you like. They’re allowed to complain. Same for both genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 06:35 PM
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So it’s not “just any feminist” (what do you even mean by feminist? Female oriented?) subreddits, it’s a few fairly niche ones. I’m assuming the more mainstream female oriented subs complain about slut shaming in the way I deceived
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 05:01 AM
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Thank you, I retract my statement married women are happier. What’s interesting is that happiness looks fairly similar across all groups, kids vs no kids included: https://twitter.com/graykimbrough/status/1134845684526583813/photo/1
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 05:56 PM
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Source? I don’t know exactly what she said that was incorrect, but the actual science supports the idea single women are happier: https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/may/25/women-happier-without-children-or-a-spouse-happiness-expert That’s just one article (obviously not a scientific journal article, but reporting on it). There are many more
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 02:54 PM
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But not the science you so wish to dismiss but likely have no credible background with which to even begin to understand or critique, because it strikes a nerve.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 02:45 PM
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It sort of is. It’s tied to miscarriages, genetic defects, harder time conceiving
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 02:43 PM
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You’re missing the point. We’re talking about male fertility here, not female fertility. Both men and women become less fertile over time
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 02:41 PM
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Another : https://reproductivehealthwellness.com/sperm-donor-requirements/ “Younger adults always have a better chance at conception and the same goes for sperm. Most sperm banks prefer ages 18 to 35”
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 06:25 AM
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That doesn’t discredit the research. Also, 45? That’s not a universal number. I just googled and picked a result at random and it’s 39. They explain the science: https://www.phoenixspermbank.com/blog/age-limits-and-other-sperm-donor-qualifications/
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 06:22 AM
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Just because the findings make you uncomfortable doesn’t make it “bad science.” Unless you have actual scientific critiques of this well established body of evidence?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 04:29 AM
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There’s more men than women on dating sites (probably especially so in 2006, when this was conducted) so it makes sense they’d have an easier time finding men of certain heights (even heights well out of the average range) than women
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 04:25 AM
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Okay, can you explain how that relates to the idea women “need” men?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 02:37 AM
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So, if I’m understanding you correctly, your argument is that women need men because of the benefits they derive from divorce? Let me clarify your stance before I pull out data
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 01:08 AM
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What are you even talking about? You’re making up your own arguments and responding to them, rather than anything I’ve actually said. Are you even reading what I’ve written?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 01:06 AM
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You’re having a different conversation with yourself based on an emotional reaction you’re having. Never said anything related to that, just focusing on your original comment. Try and stay on topic
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 05:48 PM
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I don’t think many people approach marriage with such a mercenary mindset, and women end up making less money after divorces. In this economy, unless you marry a Bezos, it is not a golden ticket to a better life. But agree to disagree
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 05:47 PM
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Okay, but none of that relates to the idea that women “need” men. Can you explain how it does or how it relates to the original argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 05:45 PM
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I disagree. I just did a quick search and found this: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352250X21001299 Women make less money after divorce and often take on more childcare responsibilities than before. Few people are walking away with a huge payout in this economy. The man doesn’t fare well in this scenario, but divorce isn’t a golden ticket to an easy life. I expect the reason for divorce is generally more relational than mercenary (incompatibility over time)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/23 05:54 PM
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If it can offer companionship, that means it’s been programmed to have some sort of personality, which could be made to emulate anyone’s preferences. And not only would it offer companionship. If it’s that advanced I’m assuming it could also offer domestic help. All this to say, I think both genders would be affected by this type of phenomenon. It wouldn’t solely be men
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/23 05:50 AM
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We’re assuming the sex bot offers no companionship, right? That it can’t emulate human relationships? I don’t think that will assuage a member of either gender that wants actual companionship. But what we’re already seeing is that women are content being single, anyways, and men that are into realistic replacements that only offer sex (e.g., real dolls) are already off the market, single. It might take more men off the market, sure. But I don’t think it would completely remove men from the datin…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/23 10:24 PM
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I disagree. If it’s just about sex, women would probably also use them to a fair extent. Just look at the popularity of vibrators. Women aren’t getting off with vibrators because of a certain impression it’s made on them
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/23 09:04 PM
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I never said they didn’t. Both genders benefit from the other, societally. Our society would collapse without either. But to claim that one gender “needs” the other (which I took to mean “needs” a relationship to function) is just not true
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/23 08:59 PM
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You didn’t address any of my points. If women “needed” men, they wouldn’t divorce, period. Now that women are in the workforce and can support themselves, we’re seeing many women choosing to remain single and happily doing so. I also don’t think men “need” women either.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/23 08:58 PM
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Uh, what? You are having an entirely different conversation. I never said that. No one’s life was “easy.” But you made the claim women went to finishing school because they have no other goals (or something like that? It was deleted) and I pointed out that no, that’s not why they were in finishing school. I wasn’t casting a value judgment on men’s lot in life at that time lol. I was just saying women didn’t really have any other options besides marrying, and wealthy women were sent to finishing …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/23 08:56 PM
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Still no numbers. Also, women weren’t really in the workforce until fairly recently in human history. Yes, there are more men Nobel laureates, etc, but to claim women are incapable/there are no women sitting at that 1% point is to announce your ignorance and misunderstanding of the intelligence curve
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/23 08:52 PM
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What do you mean by “active suppression”? And I’m not following the last paragraph. It’s too general. What kind of benefits do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/23 05:58 PM
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Since you apparently know the numbers, quantify it for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/23 05:57 PM
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The comment I responded to was saying that, which is why I responded. I was stating facts disproving the idea women disproportionally need men. And I meant projection for wanting casual sex. My comment about projection wasn’t related to divorce. You seem to be having a different conversation than the one I’m having
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/23 05:56 PM
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That reflects a misunderstanding of the hypothesis and data. You find fewer women at the very top and very bottom of the curve, but first, you don’t need to be in the top 1% to be incredibly gifted. And you’ll still find women in the very bottom and top of the curve, anyways. Just fewer of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/23 04:37 PM
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I think you may be projecting. I don’t think most women want casual sex. And okay, let’s pretend that’s true. Still disproves the idea women “need” men for relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/23 04:32 PM
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Maybe that explains some of the discrepancy, but it still doesn’t really prove women “need” men. Not all single women are voluntarily single, either
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/23 04:31 PM
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I was disappointed there wasn’t an actual sub for that
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/23 08:24 AM
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Because women weren’t allowed to work and were expected to do nothing but marry, have babies, and be useful to their husbands and kids, probably
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/23 08:02 AM
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If women need men, why are they more often reported as being happy when single? Why do they initiate divorces more often? And the only time I hear the idea about women being threatened by artificial wombs and sex robots is in these conversations where the ideas are clearly (for the moment, anyways) hypothetical, often not posted by women themselves. If sex robots were a thing, I’d wager a guess both genders would be equally affected. And you can already have a baby without a partner (e.g., pay f…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/23 07:59 AM
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Why would they lie on an anonymous survey? What’s the motivation? Also, here’s some evidence to suggest anonymous online surveys lead to more truthful responses as compared to paper and pencil surveys: https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.3758/s13428-014-0533-4.pdf?pdf=button When people suggest others are lying on anonymous surveys, I wonder if they’ve ever taken an anonymous survey. You don’t provide any identifying information
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/23 02:14 AM
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“People lie on anonymous surveys” is a great way to disregard any evidence that might contradict your worldview. No, they generally don’t. Not enough to completely negate the findings
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 05:48 AM
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Well yeah lol. Most studies aren’t going to get that weirdly specific. But it’s a pretty good proxy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 05:07 PM
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That’s an easy way to disregard any scientific evidence that doesn’t fit your worldview.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 06:47 AM
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Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 06:45 AM
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I’m not saying anyone should lose half their salary. But I’m encouraging you not to argue your point based on outliers
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 08:24 AM
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Those laws weren’t made with the super rich in mind. The super rich are an anomaly, for better or worse
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 06:41 AM
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You lost me at “society runs on male investment.” This is a comforting lie you tell yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 06:05 AM
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I didn’t move the goalpost. I don’t see this kind of thing on my FB or in my social circle, which is why I made my response. Maybe you need a new social circle. Or maybe you’re deliberately seeking it out?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 10:22 PM
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Nope
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 03:28 AM
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I disagree that women hate when men ask for feedback. I also feel like women would be more likely to blame themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 02:49 AM
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I agree to a certain extent. But we can’t pretend there aren’t men who aren’t willing to take feedback. It just always strikes me as funny when I see a lot of discourse around not having easy access to sex when there’s also a lot of data pointing to an orgasm gap. Whatever the reason for the gap, I think the two may be related
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 02:33 AM
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Orgasms? Maybe women would want sex more if more men made an effort to ensure they enjoyed it
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 02:25 AM
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Maybe limit your exposure and delete FB friends you disagree with.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 02:07 AM
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Ah, I misunderstood the intent of your last paragraph
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 07:31 AM
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True, my mistake
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 07:20 AM
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Are you asking for justification for taking away women’s rights?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 07:17 AM
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This argument applies to older men too
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 07:15 AM
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Where is this boogeyman high N woman begging for men to date her? I don’t see her outside of hypothetical discussions
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 07:14 AM
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Who will fight to defend you?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 03:28 AM
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Here you go: https://news.brown.edu/articles/2014/02/filicide The relevant text: “Among offenders, while fathers were about equally likely to kill an infant, they were more likely to be the alleged murderer of children older than a year, especially when the children were adults (fathers were the offenders in 78.3 percent of those cases). Overall, fathers were the accused murderer 57.4 percent of the time.” It’s a robust finding in studies examining filicide.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 04:47 PM
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I’m also seconding that you misunderstood the domestic violence survey. If you look at the gender of the offender, men are usually the ones initiating violence against lesbians (a lot of lesbians apparently date men before they come out). When reading that survey, people mistakenly assume gender of the offender was only that of the sex the victim identifies as being interested in, but that wasn’t the case
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 08:12 AM
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This actually isn’t true. Men kill their children more than women, although it’s nearly an even split. I can share a source if you want
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 08:04 AM
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How is buzzfeed an example of feminism?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/23 06:23 AM
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I think you’re oversimplifying the argument. I’m not a feminist crusader, but I think the point isn’t that there’s some mean man holding women back. But women end up staying home with kids more than men, taking on more domestic responsibilities (even when working the same hours, although it is changing), and doing more childcare. That ends up leading to less success at work. That’s the more reasonable argument I’ve heard
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/23 06:21 AM
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How do you define “ultra successful”?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 11:53 PM
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What a tragedy
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 09:28 PM
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Even if not fuck you money, it’s enough to live comfortably. But it still sounds like the good days are behind you and you’ve embraced scape goating to cope. Best of luck coming to terms with life and leaving the bitterness behind in the new year. It’s not too late.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 08:15 PM
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And how’s that working out for you? Plenty of happy, healthy relationships and life success?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 06:34 PM
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Jesus, man. You can’t assume every single older woman is alone because they hate men. Learn not to take your bitterness out on external targets and you’ll have a much better life
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 12:27 AM
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I think this is related to the Madonna/whore complex
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 06:36 AM
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And “everyone knows” isn’t evidence. I did provide a study (even though you were the one who made the claim based on anecdote alone), but keep believing what makes you feel good.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 10:46 PM
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It also took me about one minute to find this: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/09589236.2017.1411789
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 03:29 PM
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You made the claim, it’s on you to provide the source. And yes, I’ve seen men behave this way. Which is why I asked for a source. But I can’t say I’m surprised you don’t have one
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 03:27 PM
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Do you have a source for that? Or is it just based on personal experience?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 06:28 AM
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This has gone beyond what we were originally discussing. But I do wonder - why the focus on intelligent women reproducing? Shouldn’t you be encouraging more intelligent men to reproduce as well? And encourage less intelligent men - and there are more extremely unintelligent men than extremely unintelligent women - not to reproduce as well? Just curious about the focus on women as opposed to men. We’re also getting dangerously close to discussing eugenics
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 03:45 AM
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Thanks for sharing that. I don’t know much about the pay gap and need to do some more reading, as I’ve heard mixed claims. But one of the claims I’ve heard is that it has been debunked, as you mention here
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 03:12 AM
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I was saying we generally have some sort of selection system for jobs (e.g., people have to have certain degrees, skills, experience) so if there is a difference in pay within a certain job category, it’s probably not due to a difference in intelligence among workers. The implication is that intelligence is probably fairly consistent within job type. That’s not the only thing that makes an efficient society, but I may have misunderstood you. I thought you were arguing we currently have people in…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 03:03 AM
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There is a sex difference. I agree with you on that. But I disagree that it means more men should be in power, we have an inefficient society (because, again, I think we have selection systems in place that generally stop people from getting positions they aren’t qualified for), and that it explains the pay gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 11:24 PM
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To start, I’d like to see studies of pay gap before speculating on anything. I’d be shocked if they didn’t control for hours worked. The data are sort of meaningless without relevant controls. Second, I’m not just talking about outliers. There are more men at both the top and bottom of the distribution. One headline summarized it as men are both smarter and dumber. How does that chunk of men at the bottom affect the relative quantity of men in the middle and at the top? I think there are more wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 11:10 PM
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I skipped your points because you switched to an entirely different topic. People are hired for jobs based on intelligence, among other factors - but they go through a selection process. They aren’t hired at random. So I assume most people have met a threshold intelligence level for the jobs they have. Pay should be based on performance and it generally is. Or is your argument that a pay gap exists because women are not as smart as men? I don’t know the pay gap research, but I assume they contro…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 10:04 PM
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I think you’re jumping to an entirely different topic. Intelligence doesn’t necessarily mean better job performance, although it’s a start. Conscientiousness, motivation, and experience are important factors, among countless others. I don’t think this ties in well to the pay gap discussion. Not to mention there may actually be more intelligent women across the board, with more men up at the furthest tail end of the intelligence distribution (e.g., among geniuses, you’ll find more men; among aver…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 09:29 PM
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I believe you’ve made a simple conclusion from a complex science. My understanding was the difference was mostly negligible, not enough to justify restructuring society. It’s not as if the most intelligent people are in power either
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 07:49 PM
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If you haven’t read through the Wikipedia article, that’s probably a good place to start. From the broader literature, it seem results may vary based on the intelligence test used. From Wikipedia, it also seems as though women may score higher on verbal ability components and men on mathematical components. Men seem to have more variability in the high and low end of the scale.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 04:00 PM
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Got it, thank you
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 09:48 PM
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They may also complain women are emotional and childish, without accounting for the fact most teenagers are more emotional and childish than grown ass adults….
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 07:26 AM
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I know there is more variability in male intelligence, but thought it evened out such that there weren’t differences in intelligence based on sex (on average). Did you have a source in mind when you mentioned men are slightly more intelligent than women?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 07:25 AM
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Like I said, women are more likely to kill their kids for one age group but, overall, men are more likely to kill their children (“Overall, fathers were the accused murderer 57.4 percent of the time”). It’s a pretty consistent finding. I can share additional sources
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 07:33 AM
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Here you go: https://news.brown.edu/articles/2014/02/filicide
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 07:23 AM
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Actually, men are more likely to kill their children in general but women are more likely for like one specific age range. But overall, men are killing more of their kids. I can find the source if you want
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 07:12 AM
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This was conducted in Kenya. Am I wrong in pointing out most people here probably aren’t living in Kenya and cultural norms there are probably quite different? Also, that line doesn’t mean what you think it does. From the full article: These results suggest that either women are underreporting nonmarital partners or men are overreporting them, or both. We must draw our own conclusions. They don’t have the data to explain the discrepancy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 07:05 AM
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What stats are those?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 06:52 AM
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Women aren’t a monolith
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 06:33 AM
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It was used as an example of something that doesn’t “personally affect” men. But it’s a bad example because it quite obviously can have a huge impact on men for what seem like obvious reasons. Men advocating for abortion rights aren’t necessarily doing so just to support women with no personal, vested interest in the topic. A better example of a women’s issue that only affects women would be something like advocating for better care for breast cancer or something (no idea if that’s something nee…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 10:24 PM
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If it affects men, it’s not just a women’s issue. This was my original point
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 09:56 PM
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I assumed you were implying that. I’m sorry. I’m glad you agree that they’re different.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 03:53 PM
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There’s no point in talking with you then, if you can’t see how removing the option of having an abortion affects men
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 09:38 PM
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Are you being deliberately obtuse? You’re ignoring situations where men and women decide together. Where the man is in agreement. You’re taking that away from those men
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 08:02 PM
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Again I’ll reiterate: you’re saying no choice is better than the possibility of a choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 07:39 PM
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But having no option for abortion impacts men. It’s not always a woman going against a man’s wishes on the matter. I would actually assume most people decide together. Taking away an option for an abortion affects both the father and the mother. It’s like saying no choice at all is better than the possibility of choice
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 06:37 PM
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And I’ve seen men defending other abusers. Without actual evidence, this is just anecdote and personal bias
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 04:10 PM
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No, there’s a huge difference between actively, knowingly coercing someone and the potential for it existing. If you can’t tell the difference, respectfully, you probably need social skills training. Or you’re being deliberately obtuse because you don’t want to admit the truth
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 04:04 PM
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How are abortions just a women’s issue? Men are responsible for their children in some way or another (e.g., childcare payments) due to government intervention.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 09:47 AM
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You can’t walk to CVS and buy maternity care, but you can for a paternity test.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 09:36 AM
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And how has this approach been working out for you? 10/10 success and happiness with women?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 09:17 AM
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That seems to be a point you’re missing. Manipulating is bad. Holding things over people’s head is bad. Having the capacity to manipulate and hold things over people’s head isn’t the same as actively doing it. Intent matters
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 09:12 AM
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And, in that unlikely scenario, how do you think things would turn out for the average man? Not well
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 09:09 AM
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Not fat men too?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 05:41 AM
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A lot of people here would not exist if female and/or male selection was optimized.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 05:39 AM
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That’s not what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 05:47 AM
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With all due respect, kind of sounds like you’re talking about society rather than women
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 05:35 AM
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Women aren’t shooting up daycares either. Or is your complaint that women make babies that go to daycares? Because, if so, I have some news for you…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 05:24 AM
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At least they’re not shooting up massage parlors or night clubs
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 05:05 AM
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This sounds like a gender reversed Chad/beta bucks scenario
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/22 04:06 AM
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If you want to judge an entire gender by the actions of a few unhinged people….how do you think that’s going to end for your gender?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/22 03:49 AM
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No, I wouldn’t pick up my husband’s phone and he wouldn’t pick up mine. But if I did, I wouldn’t assume he was cheating/up to something if it was a woman on the other end. I assume those couples were already having issues
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/22 03:47 AM
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What’s your relationship with your mom like?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/22 02:56 AM
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Sometimes my dog just wants to sit in my lap and stare into my eyes for long periods of time. I’ve heard it’s a dog’s equivalent of giving a hug
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/22 02:53 AM
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Nah. People that are generally clean are generally clean. If you’re a clean person, you don’t stop being clean because someone criticized the way you cleaned one time before.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/22 02:51 AM
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You’re right, preference doesn’t mean something is morally right, but I never said it did. Something feeling inherently good to you for whatever reason also doesn’t mean it’s morally right. Best of luck out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 09:32 PM
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Look, you’re performing some astonishing mental gymnastics to justify your preferences as some kind of universal truth. You’re entitled to your preferences, but clearly, as reflected by objective data, they’re not everyone’s. I think most people prefer to actually like the person they’re spending most of their time with. Let’s agree to disagree. But I wonder - are you dating someone right now? I’m sensing you may be on the younger side. But, if not, are they in your preferred age range? If you’r…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 08:21 PM
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Yes, I can equate male and female fertility. Both have negative effects. An older paternal age is associated with more miscarriages, higher potential for schizophrenia, etc. I’m not saying it’s likely, but ignoring it while being concerned about the effects of fertility, and only focusing on one side of the equation, is ignorant and dangerous. I’m equating it because I’m using your criteria to determine what is “natural.” If we’re looking at what pairings produce the healthiest children, it’s th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 05:58 PM
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Do you know men’s sperm quality begins to decline too? The “healthiest” (I use this term loosely, because the majority of babies born to people in their early thirties are fine) babies would be born to younger men and women. Looking purely at fertility, mid 20s men and women should be together. Or a young woman with an older man or a young man with an older woman. That doesn’t make it “natural.” And most people don’t want 4 children. But to each their own, of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 03:17 PM
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An actual study? Prepare to be ignored
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 06:42 AM
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Why are people “naturally” supposed to date at the ages you mentioned? They seem pretty arbitrary. And why do you think the average age gap in relationships is only something like 2-3 years?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 06:36 AM
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I don’t think the two are related though. You’re picking another issue to dismiss this one. The people circumcising their kids aren’t necessarily feminists or the same women complaining about men not caring about women’s pleasure. They’re usually American and religious. You’re making a connection where there isn’t one to dismiss the topic altogether Circumcision is an important topic too, but that’s not what this thread was made for. Why don’t you create a thread to talk about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 03:45 PM
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Why can’t we point out the issues with both? Caring about both isn’t mutually exclusive
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 07:18 AM
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I’d really like to see some sort of objective analysis of both. Obviously, both push their own narrative
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 01:34 AM
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Without some kind of objective source, I’m finding it hard to believe that. People likely just see the show catering to their views as more reliable.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 12:05 AM
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That’s fairer than I was expecting. I feel like CNN and Fox are basically the same
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 11:54 PM
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How do you feel about FOX news?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 10:53 PM
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I buy gifts and do favors for my friends because they do the same in return, not because I want to have sex with them
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 06:15 AM
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It’s pretty ironic you’re saying “facts don’t care about you’re feelings” when much of your argument is emotion based. I have, and it doesn’t support what you’re saying. Which is why I disagreed in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 05:08 AM
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Now that is an emotional response if I’ve ever seen one. You’ve lost the plot.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 01:50 AM
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And what you’ve stated are your feelings rather than fact. We’re both just sharing anecdotes. Unless there’s actual data, it’s just feelings and opinions. And I doubt someone has collected data on something like this lol, although I’d love to be wrong. Just because you’re in a relationship doesn’t mean you suddenly have no free time. In short, I think here’s where we fundamentally disagree: you think it’s hating on young women, I think it’s directing compassion at them. Agree to disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 12:54 AM
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The idea that the people speaking out are single women runs counter to my experience, is what I’ve been trying to say. In my experience, they’re generally women who are in relationships/in a more established place in life and are passing on cautionary tales of bad experiences they’ve had.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 05:41 AM
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That doesn’t make sense if they’re in a relationship. And the men specifically interested in younger women clearly have a type and probably aren’t in their targeted demographic, in any case
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 05:03 AM
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From what I’ve seen, if they experienced it themselves it’s usually presented as a cautionary tale. And if they’re in a relationship, jealousy doesn’t really work as a logical explanation. But if the reason you’re clinging to this explanation is because it makes you feel good, there’s no point arguing and I won’t try to take it away from you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 04:46 AM
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This is just an ad hominem. Responses to this specific issue (from both genders, whoever was the younger partner in the scenario) are generally rooted in experience, whether personal or knowing someone who did not have a good experience. You’re free to have your preferences, of course. In my experience, the people that are the most vocal aren’t even single. It’s not about trying to shame someone into wanting someone else, more of a cautionary tale
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 05:33 PM
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It’s an age issue, not a gender issue. If the genders were reversed in this scenario, the woman would be predatory
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 07:54 AM
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To some small degree, maybe. But to the extent they’re practically different species? Not very rational. And there’s so much variation between one person to the next
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 11:55 PM
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You may be right. I just wanted to point out that assuming women you find attractive behave differently (whether negatively or positively) than other women is not an accurate or helpful way to approach things. It’s a bit like putting them on a pedestal. At the end of the day, they’re just people
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 10:35 PM
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It just helps them sleep at night. Alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 10:32 PM
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No, they turn to dust and float away in the wind
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 10:26 PM
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I could be wrong, but this seems like it could be projection? I don’t think women care about feminine men one way or another, unless they’re attracted to them (there are definitely some women who are).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 10:24 PM
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Assuming hot women aren’t “normal” or behave differently from “regular” women may be what is preventing some of you from being successful.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 06:27 AM
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Maybe there’s a slight relationship, but it’s not 1:1. Will you share your sources? Edited to add: okay you link a study below, but it literally says “small” relationship in the abstract…that doesn’t support what you’re saying
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 06:15 AM
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Very interesting! Do you have a source?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 03:31 AM
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If you’ve had a hard time with women your whole life, you’re not magically going to be better with them after a certain age. The sooner you figure it out, the better.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 06:54 AM
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Is this satire?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 06:50 AM
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Women did die in childbirth before modern medicine improved. Women still die in childbirth, although it’s not common. It’s not propaganda, it’s just a gritty reality GRRM worked into his story for dramatic effect. It would be propaganda to deny that this was in fact a reality of the time period this show is taking place.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 06:07 AM
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Births today are mostly safe, but game of thrones/house of the dragon takes place in a different era
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 05:43 AM
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What did he get wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 05:31 AM
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Fair enough. I’d recommend reflecting on why these things upset you so much and how that, in turn, influences your interactions with women. There’s some bitterness I suspect carries over into your interactions with women in the real world that may harm your chances of success.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 05:50 PM
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Are there certain opinions that you find particularly upsetting?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 07:38 AM
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Why do you want to trigger women? If you’re having trouble dating, it probably has a lot to do with whatever the motivation for wanting to trigger women is
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 07:24 AM
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“The two don’t match much.” Sounds like you just made that up…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 07:21 AM
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I edited my post above to clarify further. Yes, those South Korean men should receive benefits. It’s not fair. But American men shouldn’t unless they actually serve. Just being drafted is not the same as having to serve. American men and South Korean men are in different situations
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 09:56 PM
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That’s not at all what I said. I said people who served should receive benefits, but people who haven’t served shouldn’t. The South Korean men you mentioned, therefore, should receive benefits. But if you haven’t served, you don’t deserve benefits. It doesn’t make the draft fair. That should be abolished or women should also be drafted. But it’s also not fair to people who have served to demand benefits when you haven’t served. To clarify further, I was thinking of American men when I responded.…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 09:52 PM
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Are you saying you want benefits even if you haven’t served? That’s an affront to people who have served
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 09:23 PM
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This isn’t a gender issue. Sharing messages is different than sharing pornographic images of someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 05:35 AM
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You think the men who keep society afloat are all single? You think only 50% of the population keeps society functioning? I think we’ll just have to agree to disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/22 04:56 AM
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Look at the data, most men are in relationships. Of those that aren’t, half are not interested in relationships: https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2020/08/20/a-profile-of-single-americans/ With all due respect, it sounds like wishful thinking on your end
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/22 01:45 AM
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Most adult men end up in relationships. The ones who want society to burn down are in the minority and are free to walk away. No one is forcing them to remain in and/or contribute to society. They can buy a van and start an off the grid life
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 08:50 PM
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Hypothesis: projection
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 07:18 PM
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This reads like copypasta
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 07:27 AM
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Ever heard of the Madonna/whore complex?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 05:34 PM
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These types of phrases (emotional labor) are generally misused. I believe they were introduced to describe emotional regulation in service jobs, such as being pleasant to customers. People now use them to refer to domestic responsibilities. It may not be hard, but it’s annoying if people aren’t doing their fair share or want their significant other to clean up after that (with obvious exceptions, like stay at home parents doing more domestic work)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 05:51 AM
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This doesn’t at all jive with my personal experience. I work in a white collar job and men have trouble regulating their emotions, particularly when it comes to anger. Screaming, tearing things from walls, throwing small things. And they still have their jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 04:17 AM
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It’s just people speaking from their personal experience. I think people try to paint it as jealousy because it ruffles their feathers somehow
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 04:07 AM
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Clearly every man with kids has been baby trapped
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 03:40 AM
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Now that you can orgasm from sex, are you content to go back to sex without orgasms? I think it’s different if you’ve never had an orgasm during sex or are just starting to have sex with someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 03:49 PM
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To each their own
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 03:41 PM
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Hard disagree that sex without an orgasm can be amazing for women
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 07:01 AM
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I’m sure the DSM isn’t perfect. I don’t know much about it. But advocating to throw out an entire body of research because some of it is flawed is a poor approach. Some research does replicate.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/22 01:29 AM
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It doesn’t rely on psychological research for clinical drug trials. I maintain that they’re two separate fields and you initially implied they’re same field
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/22 10:24 PM
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I would have to do a literature review to respond to this. But for now I will note that of course it relies on self-report data to some degree-it’s like complaining sexual activity is all based on self-report. There are some things you cannot measure without self-report. But it’s often coupled with observer data in a way the psychological research that fails to replicate isn’t. I’ve been noting that psychology is the field primarily afflicted with the relocation crisis. But that doesn’t mean you…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/22 02:58 PM
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Did you read any of these articles? One was a commentary and the other was an editorial. Maybe there’s some replication issues with some aspects of psychiatry, but what led me to comment was your assumption that there is a replication crisis related to studies done on medication. There are entirely different standards governing that type of research as compared to self-report psychological studies
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/22 04:08 AM
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Psychiatry does not have a replication crisis. You’ve confused it with psychology
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/22 03:37 AM
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Psychiatry is related to psychology, but psychiatry’s standards of research are far more closely aligned with medical research. The fact you equated psychology and psychiatry tells me you don’t know much about either field. And did you even read the article you linked? I did, but I’m guessing you didn’t based on its contents
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 10:40 PM
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Psychology isn’t psychiatry
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 01:46 AM
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Did you look into whether the replication crisis applies to psychiatry in particular?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 12:27 AM
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A lot of their rationale is used to justify personal preferences (e.g., it’s natural and good for a man to sleep with multiple women, it’s unnatural and bad for a woman to sleep with multiple men; one-sided monogamy is natural) but it breaks down if you try to logically understand it. If you have certain preferences, that’s fine. I just don’t like when TRP tries to justify their preferences using a poor understanding of evolutionary psychology and mental gymnastics.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 04:17 PM
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They’re two separate categories of women
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 04:54 AM
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I’m going to have to watch the interview before I can answer that. It’s why I asked you
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 02:34 AM
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I don’t know. You tell me. I’m assuming it’s a leading question. And I’m assuming the answer isn’t “because it uplifts men.” I’m assuming it’s a bit more nuanced than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 02:00 AM
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Then what’s the most common criticism? Actually, the most common criticism isn’t even relevant to our discussion. It’s just whether or not the criticism is for “uplifting men” And asking why someone’s audience is predominantly men is not at all the same as “criticizing him for uplifting men”
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 01:46 AM
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I don’t know. I didn’t see any criticism of him like that, although I’m not saying it doesn’t exist. Most of the criticism I saw was about how he leads people to certain conclusions - mostly geared toward supporting the status quo - without explicitly saying them. Most of the criticism I’m familiar with is summarized in this video: https://youtu.be/hSNWkRw53Jo If you have a source or article exemplifying the type of criticism you’re referring to, please share it
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 12:03 AM
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Saying Jordan Peterson was criticized for uplifting men is oversimplifying and disingenuous
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/22 11:41 PM
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I don’t know that much about them, but from what I’ve seen they basically just say “men and women are DiFFeRenT” in 50 different variations and try to use this premise to justify their preferences. If you want one sided monogamy and manage to find someone who is into that, fine. But don’t pretend there’s some kind of evolutional basis to justify it
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/22 03:03 PM
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I disagree with the premise men in particular would be bad if given the chance. I think most people will behave poorly if certain conditions are met. But in the case of this rebuttal, women had no choice. It wasn’t “willing”
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/22 02:58 PM
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Those aren’t friends, they’re just shitty people
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/22 02:50 PM
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I’d say the same if the genders were reversed. There’s a difference between “setting boundaries” and being so insecure contact with the opposite sex is immediate grounds for suspicion
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/22 05:50 AM
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Andrew Tate, fresh and fit, etc are grifters.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/22 05:22 AM
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An “alpha” in this scenario sounds like a 12 year old boy. Only children think a man and woman being friends is automatically sexual
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/22 04:11 AM
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Are you claiming “alpha” men don’t let women they’re dating have platonic friendships with men? That sounds extremely insecure
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/22 03:06 AM
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This may have already been said, but the women saying that they are attuned to signs of misogyny are not necessarily the same ones dating abusers. Women aren’t a monolith
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/22 03:03 AM
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“Women and men respond differently to people they find attractive” WHat?!!?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/22 03:01 AM
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For men who complain about not being able to find “interesting women” - what would you consider interesting? What sorts of hobbies are worthy or interesting?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 04:42 PM
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What are men’s interests?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 04:37 PM
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I was thinking more of a choice of homeless shelters and life on the streets rather than death. But you’re right that being homeless often can be a death sentence
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 06:46 PM
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I’m genuinely curious. Would you agree to be in a sexual relationship with a man if it meant not being homeless?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 06:10 PM
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The third study is misrepresented here. There was no effect of intelligence on attractiveness. From the abstract of the third study: In the current study, we examined whether women's patterns of sexual interests across the cycle are similarly moderated by partners' facial masculinity, facial attractiveness, and intelligence. Results revealed predicted effects of male partners’ facial masculinity but none for partners’ intelligence.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 05:46 PM
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But it wasn’t significant
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 05:17 PM
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It wasn’t negatively associated. It had no effect at all. But let me know if I’ve missed something
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 05:07 PM
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This discussion has gone beyond what we were originally talking about. Agree to disagree and to each their own
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 11:29 PM
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I’m going to point out that women open-minded enough to be porn stars might have different viewpoints than the rest of the population. And we’ve been talking about anecdotes, but anecdotes aren’t good for describing bigger trends. And I don’t think there’s anything wrong with wanting to have a sugar baby relationship or not wanting any kind of “conventional” relationship. I just think some men are going to be very let down if they put all their hope for achieving a sexual/romantic relationship i…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 11:10 PM
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Asking for pictures doesn’t prove anything. They’re going to want to try to get the best deal possible. Doesn’t mean every single sugar baby is genuinely attracted to the man paying her. I’m not saying it’s like prostitution, but is it like a “regular” relationship where two people get together because of mutual attraction? No. And most women don’t seek out being sugar babies. Those are rare cases. I’m not saying money doesn’t make someone more attractive or factor into attraction. But as far as…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 10:56 PM
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I’m pretty sure the inverse does exist, although not as often. I’ve seen, and listed, some examples. It is a rare situation. But so is any kind of big age gap in a relationship. And a harem type relationship is so rare that I don’t even know where to start on that one. And I’m not sure what it proves. I’ve already explained why I think women are more likely to seek out a wealthy partner than men and it’s not genuine sexual attraction. And sugar babies exist, but it still supports my point: they’…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 10:29 PM
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Like I said, I’m not an expert on Hefner’s sex life and it’s really beside the point. And if you’re saying that a lot of the women having sex with him hated it, that actually aligns with my view: plenty of people will do a lot more for a cushy life style, but there’s likely not a lot of actual attraction involved in these cases. And if you’re just going to disregard what they’ve said because it doesn’t align with your world viewpoint, then there’s no point arguing at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 10:08 PM
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How can you can be sure every older man in a relationship with a younger woman is having sex? This is not a great argument. And, actually, I remember one of the women that lived at the playboy mansion told the media that when he was older a lot of the “sex” with Heffner was them sitting around him in a circle while he masturbated. Although I don’t claim to be an expert on Heffner and his relationships lol Anyways, I think it comes down to this, although correct me if I’m wrong: you believe women…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 09:33 PM
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The examples I referenced, similar to the Hugh Hefner example, definitely involved sex. Were they actually attracted to their partners in any of these cases? Probably not. But some people will do a lot worse for a cushy lifestyle. Sometimes people are genuinely attracted to others in age gap relationships. But I maintain that it’s rare and the chance of actual attraction goes down the more of an age gap and the more money is involved
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 09:19 PM
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Then by your logic, you can’t speak for men with no resources. And there are examples of men with few resources partnering with wealthy women (there’s this trashy TV show called 90 day fiancé where plenty of poor men get into relationships with wealthy, generally older women for what appears to be only monetary reasons) or even wealthy men (I’m thinking of one of the husbands of the tiger king, who was straight).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 08:44 PM
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Right, my point was young women aren’t going to be attracted to 70 year old men just because they weren’t around in the stone ages. Although I may be misrepresenting your argument - I don’t know that you were necessarily arguing that young women will be attracted to 70 year old men. And I personally think the inverse never existed because, for most of history, women didn’t have the resources men had. Women couldn’t even open bank accounts in their own name until relatively recently. Their first …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 08:13 PM
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And old men take much longer to have children, so why would women’s attraction not be affected by this if all of our attraction is mostly tied to fertility, including the most minute indicators? And I could just as easily argue that people are more likely to have an aversion or indifference to something that didn’t exist in the stone ages (especially when we all universally display the same signs of aging, especially prevalent in 70 year olds) than to be attracted to it
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 07:09 PM
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Your argument is that humans are highly attuned to qualities that indicate fertility because, presumably, it is a significant indicator of whether or not they would produce a healthy baby. The decline in male fertility, much like female fertility - to a certain point, is small but significant over time. The same argument for why a 23 year old woman is more attractive than a 30 year old woman would hold when comparing a 40 year old man to a 23 year old man. Is the 30 year old woman significantly …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 06:57 PM
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Men produce viable sperm throughout their life, but the chances of birth defects begins to increase after about age 35. And it may be “viable” in the sense that older men can eventually procreate, but if you look at the research it takes men at an older age significantly longer (as in, potentially years unless you have medical intervention) and miscarriages become more common. Sperm banks have an age cap for a reason
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 06:22 PM
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Men’s fertility also declines
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 06:08 PM
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Why would one gender be biologically trained to look for signs of aging but not the other? Genuinely curious about the logic here
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 04:49 PM
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Well, they said if a man wanted a large family, which is what I was specifically responding to. I was pointing out that the man would also need to consider his fertility in that scenario. It wouldn’t just be a function of his wife’s fertility.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 03:49 PM
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What in particular is my straw man argument? What argument did I say the original poster was making that is incorrect? When it comes down to it, I was most concerned about getting a source for one of the claims
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 11:11 PM
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Let’s acknowledge that male fertility also declines in mid to late 30s
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 05:43 PM
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There’s links to studies about attractiveness, income, etc but I don’t see anything for the particular claim about emotional necessity. Or am I overlooking a study? I’m not being dishonest. I think it’s fair to ask for a source for a specific claim you’ve put forward
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 04:57 PM
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After I brought it up you acknowledged it. But you didn’t bring it up in your original post which is why I mentioned it: if you’re going to argue it affects one gender’s attraction…why wouldn’t it affect the other? And the notion that something intuitive automatically equals truth is a sign that you don’t have critical evidence. People used to think dancing made it rain. You’re trying to ask me for sources because you clearly have none of your own. That tells me you did no research but are inste…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 09:06 AM
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Those are statistical rarities. What you’re not seeing are all the miscarriages and years and years of trying that got them to an eventual baby. Most women aren’t going to want that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 08:21 AM
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But male fertility does indeed decline. And while older men may be able to father children, the women who carry them often suffer more miscarriages and are more likely to birth children suffering impairments of some sort: https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2018/10/older-fathers-associated-with-increased-birth-risks.html Your post seems to pretend that men’s fertility doesn’t decline. There’s a reason there’s an age cap for sperm donors. If we acknowledge the truth that fertility declines for…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 08:09 AM
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Men’s fertility declines too. So if you apply that same logic… Also - the “women need an emotional connection for sex” stereotype - any sources for that? Seems more like a cultural myth to me, possibly inspired by the same cultural context and forces OP mentioned
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 05:32 AM
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Here’s some results from a more recent CDC survey: https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/nisvs/nisvsReportonSexualViolence.pdf From briefly reviewing, it does seem they are now categorizing made to penetrate as equivalent to rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 03:36 AM
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Higher earners also contribute more to the community than lower earners. Should we penalize people who make less money?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 09:47 PM
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Yeah, true. There’s plenty of rage bait or, alternatively, schaudenfreude for everyone here and it keeps us all coming back
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 06:19 AM
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You’re basically advocating throwing out the baby with the bath water. Self report research - which isn’t restricted to “social science” by the way, or the way most people think of it - is actually incredibly useful and can indirectly generate a lot of money. But let’s agree to disagree on that. I have to ask though: what makes the scenario the original Twitter poster discussed any different from self report data? There are studies conducted with the same set up published in real scientific jour…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 04:37 AM
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I’m surprised you’re so dismissive of peer reviewed research if you’ve conducted and published any research yourself. But yet anecdotes and Twitter posts are legitimate…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 04:18 AM
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Yeah, I should probably get off Reddit. It’s very frustrating
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 03:43 AM
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But it contradicts their anecdotes so it must be funded propaganda…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 03:42 AM
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A Twitter post isn’t data. It’s some random person who may or may not be pulling things out of thin air. And the way you’re talking about “studies” and “research” makes me think you’re probably not someone who actually works in research. What kind of things do you think would “upset the apple cart”? Sounds like you have some conspiracy theories you’d like to share
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 03:41 AM
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It seems like rage bait to me. And I’m not discounting your experiences, but they’re anecdotes. You need scientific evidence and sources for these types of claims
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 08:51 AM
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So a lie that brings you comfort or rage bait
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 07:28 AM
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You are my grandma on Facebook if she had any self-awareness
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 07:17 AM
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You’re quick to believe something with no tangible proof. Did the poster share any evidence?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 07:08 AM
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I’ve seen the idea that divorce will inevitably lead to financial ruin for men. Does anyone have some data on this? It’s a fear I don’t see much outside of certain internet spaces
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 12:41 AM
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Of course earning power depends on the degree gained, cost of the degree, and university attended. But, generally, a college degree (even one considered less valuable) is associated with a higher salary than no college degree. As far as people getting notoriously low paying degrees associated with expensive tuitions - yeah, you really shouldn’t mindlessly spend a ridiculous amount of money on a degree if you don’t have a specific plan for what you want to do with it and how to get there. I haven…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 12:32 AM
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At this point, the term “feminism” has been used so broadly and to describe so many different belief systems it’s lost a lot of meaning. I’m not sure what people mean when they refer to it. What kind of different life outcomes do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 10:01 PM
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People with degrees generally make more money than those without and end up with less debt. The Bureau of Labor Statistics bears this out. You don’t have to have a degree to be successful and you don’t have to like educated people, but making claims that college degrees lead to less monetary success just isn’t factual
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 09:46 PM
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Some people get tax benefits.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 09:39 PM
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Also, what do you believe are “indoctrinated” beliefs?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 09:30 PM
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You’re entitled to your worldview.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 05:31 PM
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Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 05:30 PM
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When you led with “reality is sexist,” I was expecting more extreme views
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 12:18 PM
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Like what? Anything specific in mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 12:07 PM
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Still dodging the point. Really is nothing left for us to discuss.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 11:32 AM
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I’m curious. What do you mean by “sexism”?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 11:31 AM
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No, you just never directly responded to my point about the abstract idea of “protection” meaning nothing in 2022
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 11:25 AM
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Are you trying to argue that the only role and purpose of men is to fight bloody battles? You’re losing me. I’m just going to say that plenty of men can live fulfilling, happy lives without being forced to sacrifice their lives for a country or an elite class and leave it at that I’m also going to add you keep selectively responding to certain statements I’ve made and not others. That’s a pretty good sign you’re not willing to critically examine your own arguments and are pivoting to new points …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 11:15 AM
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If it’s a “problem” then why bring it up as some sort of selling point? And the fact you think the only role of men is protection is misguided and a little sad
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 11:07 AM
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And that speaks to my point… it might have meant something when there were real dangers that someone could actually do something about. But that’s not the society we live in any more. So there is no real “protection” to offer in a concrete way like there could have been many years ago. I think you’re trying to argue about traditional gender roles, but that’s not even what I’m talking about. Even if you agree with the basic idea everyone is happier with traditional gender roles - what happens whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 10:54 AM
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Nice ad hominem. And no actual rebuttal to my point. If this idea of “protection” was rooted in anything concrete or realistic, it might mean something. But basically it boils down to a worthless sentiment and nothing more
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 10:48 AM
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Yeah, not a good selling point for a traditional life style. I think the only fair thing to offer in exchange for some abstract idea of “protection” is something equally abstract. Feminine mystique? A wish and a prayer?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 10:45 AM
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Robber and murder are extremely unlikely scenarios. “Protection” from homelessness and starvation will realistically fall - and instinctively so - on anyone threatened by it. “Protection” doesn’t really mean much in 2022 unless you have a law degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 10:41 AM
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I legitimately thought this thread was copypasta. I think it’s time for me to quit browsing here
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 10:33 AM
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Has there ever been a scenario where a man was in a situation where he could’ve rescued a woman from a situation like this, with great risk to himself, and chose not to and was publicly shamed? Serious question. This seems like some sort of fantasy scenario. No reasonable person, man or woman, should expect another person to put their lives at risk for them in any given situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 10:26 AM
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Protect from what?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 10:12 AM
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You can’t lump single women who are mothers by choice (who tend to be well educated and relatively wealthy) in with low income women who unexpectedly have children. If you look at relevant data, children from the first category appear to do much better than those from the latter category. I only looked at a few studies but, in any case, you have to consider context
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 02:52 AM
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I’m glad you read the study. There are definitely some spicy findings
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 04:07 AM
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I don’t think most studies pose that question, although correct me and provide examples if I’m wrong. The study referenced above had participants rate their romantic partners for “quality” and then assessed their sexual risk taking behaviors.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 05:50 PM
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What does “feminist” even mean at this point? Half the time I just see people using it to refer to women in general
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 03:32 AM
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There are a few accepted definitions most SES researchers use. One of the most objective indicators is income
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 06:00 AM
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Same for men in their 30s too. People need to be careful
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 12:12 AM
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What kind of herbal remedies are you particularly interested in? There’s some data available
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 03:04 PM
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What interesting studies have been squashed or not funded?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 03:03 PM
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That’s a convenient way to dismiss anything that doesn’t fit your worldview.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 03:52 PM
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You’re speaking based on personal opinion rather than referencing empirical evidence/objective metrics https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12187-020-09782-0 https://www.pewtrusts.org/about/news-room/press-releases-and-statements/2015/07/23/parental-income-has-outsized-influence-on-childrens-economic-future
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 12:07 AM
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Having two six figure salaries and spending time with loved ones isn’t mutually exclusive. In fact, many people with (generally) lower paying blue collar jobs work longer hours and have less time for their families. You’re creating a false dichotomy. What does it inhibit? You can’t deny that money opens doors. It also increases the quality of life for children.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 11:13 PM
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Dual income allows for a very sweet life. What’s better than a six figure salary? Two six figure salaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 09:20 PM
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That’s a bit cynical, but we’re all entitled to our views. I think they’re protesting on behalf of the women (and affected men) I mentioned in my response or in response to the wider implications, rather than on behalf of themselves. Most people can still care about something even if it doesn’t personally affect them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 04:11 PM
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Who is grifting? People complaining about roe v wade being overturned?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 03:59 PM
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What do you mean by gifting?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 03:41 PM
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But the reality is that child care is expensive. If you can pay someone less than the cost of daycare, for example, to watch your kid, you’re saving money (assuming they’re not losing a career to do so)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 05:44 AM
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Divorced?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 05:39 AM
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I wanted to point out that, from what I hear, daycare is expensive. Not sure this applies, but if you’re paying someone to take care of children on a full time basis less than what you would pay for daycare (and if we wanted to be totally accurate, daycare and a nanny or night nurse, if they’re watching the kids day and night), that’s a steal.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 05:29 AM
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The people most affected by roe v. wade will be the people who can least afford children. Not sure if this is where you were going with this, but the people that can afford IVF probably aren’t interested in adoption unless IVF doesn’t work out, which isn’t common
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 04:39 AM
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Science or, more accurately, researchers’ current approach to it, isn’t perfect. But don’t throw out the baby with the bath water. It’s the closest thing we have to objective truth
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 04:36 AM
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I addressed the thread title. If you want to discuss the number of people who “settled” in relationships, I’d want to see data before making any assumptions
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 12:14 AM
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And my response to that is we need data, otherwise we’re just making assumptions based on our own biases. And I should add that by Reddit I was mostly thinking of PPD - it’s a hard sell that the experiences of users on PPD represent the experiences of most people
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 10:11 PM
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Re read the thread title.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 09:59 PM
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I don’t think it misses the point. I think it is the point. It’s been said elsewhere in this thread, but Reddit is a small percentage of people and their experiences don’t represent the entire human experience. Most people are doing fine, romantically. I’m sure data exists about how many people are satisfied in their relationships. But I’m not interested in hunting it down. In any case, I do have sympathy for people struggling - I know it’s hard. But I don’t see how convincing yourself that bein…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 09:56 PM
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No games. Just referencing data. I was specifically responding to OP’s point that most men aren’t getting laid and aren’t in relationships (untrue). If you’re defining romantic success differently, then we are talking about something different. And, at this point, I’m not sure how you’re defining it
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 09:43 PM
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I don’t know. I was specifically focusing on OP’s claim that the statement “most men are getting laid and in relationships” is false. We’re talking about something else now. Do you have any related data?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 09:41 PM
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I was specifically talking about the amount of men that are in romantic relationships, not frequency of sex. Some of the men identifying as single in the survey may be having crazy amounts of sex. If you want to discuss frequency of sex as the focus, I’d have to look up a separate study about that. We can’t make assumptions beyond what the survey I linked directly addressed
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 09:35 PM
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This is moving away from my point. If you’re identifying as in a relationship, you have succeeded romantically in some way. I could make related arguments about the group identifying as single, but it’s beyond the point
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 09:31 PM
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31% of men are single. Of those, 50% are not looking to date. So ~15% of adult men are looking for relationships. Is that where your 15% came from? I don’t know what a “healthy” number is. I never made a point about health or what should or shouldn’t be or cast a value judgment. I just made an observation that most men do not struggle romantically. I also agreed it sounds challenging to date in current times.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 06:36 PM
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I don’t think that’s a good comparison. With very few exceptions, I think most people should be employed in some capacity. But as far as dating, some people want to be single. And, anyways, my main point is that most men are romantically successful.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 06:15 PM
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Ah. That’s unfortunate. Complaining on PPD isn’t going to help.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 06:12 PM
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That’s fair, 51% of men from ages 18 - 29 are single. But I still think it’s a bit disingenuous to say “most” men struggle romantically. A lot do. But half don’t appear to struggle and of the remaining half, some may be single by choice. That being said, you are right, it does appear that many men - although I wouldn’t say most - in this age range struggle romantically.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 05:48 PM
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It provides objective evidence to contradict your anecdotal point that most people aren’t romantically successful. Most people are romantically successful. And if you want to claim that the majority of these people are settling so they “don’t count”, I’ll want to see evidence (studies, data) of some sort.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 05:17 PM
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Most adult men, at least in the USA, are not single: https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2020/08/20/a-profile-of-single-americans/ But I can agree that dating seems hard for a number of reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 04:10 PM
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I have a theory that men that are especially vocal about not being attracted to degrees, careers, earning potential, etc. are men that are insecure about their own achievements and/or career. Not factoring it into attraction and viewing it neutrally is one thing. But clear disdain makes me think there is some insecurity at play.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 07:49 PM
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No, some also make roughly the same
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/22 06:57 PM
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My point is that SAHMs or wives that don’t work (or contribute) aren’t that common.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/22 10:50 PM
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I’m curious about the stats on this. I’ve heard that in most households typically both partners have to work (and contribute) due to rising costs.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/22 10:34 PM
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It’s kind of sad. It’s okay to be cautious, but I’ve seen some extreme bitterness and bias that will make it difficult, if not impossible, to establish a healthy, normal relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/22 03:43 PM
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With all due respect, that’s not at all what I said. I mentioned an age/looks disparity (the norm with sugar babies) and a sugar baby relationship. Not everyone that makes less money than him is a gold digger or wants to be a sugar baby. He’s an extreme. He doesn’t need another millionaire, just someone financially stable
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/22 03:56 AM
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If a man is marrying a sugar baby or someone of an extremely unequal financial status with a significant age/looks disparity - I think in those cases they’re much more focused on what they’re currently getting out of him than what they may be able to get down the line. But that’s a very small percentage of relationships. Most people marry someone somewhat financially equal to them. But would a gold digger still marry a rich man without the existence of alimony/child support? Absolutely, I think …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/22 03:46 AM
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Actually, bisexual women in straight relationships report the most abuse. This is from your source, if you go to a more detailed version
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/22 03:35 AM
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Feel free to disagree with me, but I highly doubt the vast majority of people who get married go into it thinking about how much money they could make off of the other one if they divorced.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/22 03:33 AM
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I’d recommend looking up some articles on Google Scholar to verify anything you hear on tik tok
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/22 03:30 AM
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It seems some people here really enjoy discussing extreme hypothetical scenarios that are fairly uncommon, sometimes (often?) experiences they haven’t had themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/22 12:08 AM
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You said young children. Which is incorrect. And I could ask the same of you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 03:41 PM
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Yeah, if you said babies you’d be right. But it’s incorrect if you make that statement about children in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 02:17 AM
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And yet, you didn’t fact check first
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 01:30 AM
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The discussion of murder of children caught my eye.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 01:24 AM
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I don’t disagree. I don’t think they’re worse, on average, either. I also just have a thing about people making unsubstantiated claims
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 12:45 AM
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They mention the age of the accused, not the age of the victims, in that article. But if you go to the actual scholarly article you can see women are more likely to kill babies under the age of 12 months, but fathers kill more for every other age range (including 1 - 4 year olds, which I interpret as young kids).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 11:56 PM
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“More males than females were accused nationwide, a difference that appears to be increasing.” - from your source. Am I missing something?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 11:41 PM
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You made the claim. The burden of proof is on you. In any case, one of the first results on Google Scholar is this piece which notes roughly half of the killing of children is committed by fathers: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/j.1556-4029.2008.00964.x?casa_token=AjbKa5Lcn6sAAAAA:sO6fDrcGp71fCz4EBqicfYAv2Dhurh0b9Ly6ZRg1JZXlzA1nfg94CvJZl7V0w25QdKIYl1qWWzknIA And another one that provides a similar figure (57% of fathers): https://news.brown.edu/articles/2014/02/filicide Maybe yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 09:27 PM
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No, but I would like a source now that you mention it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 08:43 PM
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I don’t know how you came to that conclusion based on what I wrote. My point has to do with statistical probability and percentages vs frequencies. It’s misleading to say moms kill young kids more often than dads if you’re only looking at frequencies. Kind of like saying airline pilots are more likely to die in aviation accidents and coming to the conclusion that they’re unlucky rather than acknowledging they fly more more often. Not a perfect analogy but hopefully it helps you understand my poi…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 05:35 PM
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It’s not a man’s fault but your statement may be misleading. Women are far more likely to have custody of children/be around children than men. If you look at percentages instead of frequencies, it may be a different story.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 04:44 AM
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What are the stats on divorce and respective costs?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/22 02:04 PM
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Fair enough. In our personal situation, we save ~5k a year in taxes so it’s worthwhile to us (aside from the other reasons that people can fairly dismiss as also being associated with long-term relationships) for that reason alone. Otherwise, yeah, everything else is cultural. To each their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/22 04:30 AM
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The main benefit I was thinking of was financial. My spouse and I saved a significant amount of money in taxes this year because we filed jointly. I suppose most of the other benefits I’m thinking of could be found with long-term relationships and are also financial (e.g., dual income) or things that could be found with friends (e.g., someone to take care of you when you’re extremely ill). But marriage provides a sort of concrete, hard guaranteed answer to those things. A long-term relationship …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/22 12:23 AM
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