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He just wasn't her type. It's all good. Nothing you can do. The girl in this thread above even said that she'd have jumped in and reciprocated them questions IF she was interested/he was her type
/r/seduction11/02/20 09:14 AM
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I’m quiet/introverted, and if a guy I was interested in was trying to start a convo with me like that, I’d JUMP on it and reciprocate. I think the issue is that this sub wants to believe that you can MAKE her interested (I guess that's the idea of 'game'. Even if you are not her physical type/thus she isn't interested, you can make her interested) Not that i believe in it either, but that's where they're coming from
/r/seduction11/02/20 09:12 AM
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in terms of what to say. If using mysterymethod, it's Hi, I've only got 2 minutes as I have to get back to my friend, but who lies more, men or women? Her: blababla I was just talking to my friend about it and blablabla. Oh, you have a C shaped smile. There's C and U. people with U-shaped smiles are perceived as unfriendly. And people with C-shaped smiles were perceived as friendly Her: bla bla bla Nice nails. Are they real? Her: no Shame. Me and you wouldn't get along. We'd always fight and i'd…
/r/seduction11/02/20 08:56 AM
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most 'coaches' couldn't get laid in a brothel
/r/seduction21/01/20 10:13 AM
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Not sure, tbh I've found that a huge percentage of lines and theories that i've read about in PUA books really don't 'work' in the real world, tbh. I almost feel like each one of us needs to be our own 'guru', as what 'works' seems to depend on things like your location, how handsome you are, the girls particular personality etc etc
/r/seduction17/01/20 02:56 PM
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Ahhh...lol, yeah, i've been there. Doesn't work out great in general. They'll all want him! haha
/r/seduction17/01/20 02:22 PM
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lol, what did the comment say? I missed it!
/r/seduction17/01/20 11:14 AM
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God dammit, but I thought that PUA culture in UK is fairly mainstream, more so than in most other countries? Outside of London (which is just full of tourists) UK girls are very unapproachable, tbh. Have you ever watched the UK daygamers do uncut infield sessions? It's basically UK girls ignoring and rejecting them/looking creeped out and awkward, and iit's only the foreign girls engaging them lol There's been a fair few threads about it on seddit. i'll see if I can find some Probably not a very…
/r/seduction17/01/20 11:03 AM
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Thx
/r/seduction17/01/20 08:21 AM
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lol, why?
/r/seduction17/01/20 08:20 AM
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yep, almost certainly (I also saw her later on with her actual BF)
/r/seduction17/01/20 08:20 AM
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He is! I'm FAR from chad lmao. How did you come to that conclusion?!
/r/seduction17/01/20 08:20 AM
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I don't think seddit is really a fan of 'game', tbh. More just 'be yourself' type stuff
/r/seduction30/12/19 12:38 PM
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In Todd's mind he's trying to 'win frame' etc. He doesn't understand that they are simply not into him, and there's nothing he can do about it to change their minds no matter how many game principles he thinks he's running He's just a guy harassing and creeping out girls in a park lol. PUA is so funny, man. These dudes delude themselves into thinking they are doing anything other than banging the occasional girl who simply wants to bang him! He was certainly never gonna turn that set, and he pro…
/r/seduction14/12/19 04:24 PM
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I think you can usually tell if a girl likes you or not from across the room, tbh.
/r/seduction06/12/19 09:43 AM
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I know what you mean. Like, if she thought you were her type, she'd likely smile back or whatver. There's a chance she's just shy though, but still thinks you're hot? probably slim odds in persuing her, but still worth the risk just in case, i'd say
/r/seduction06/12/19 09:42 AM
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IN my experience, a neg (especially about her fashion) will just lead too a hard rejection if she isn't physically attracted to you (in which case it will 'work', but then so would anything else if she thinks you're hot) What are your personal negs. Cold reads. DHV facts. Cold reads? Show your examples in case they're different I read tonnes of FR's where people do cold reads and negs and all that stuff, and she simply doesn't give a shit and rejects him because he just isn't her type. (she's no…
/r/seduction05/12/19 08:06 PM
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If you’re into short blondes and a hot tall red head comes youre going to deny that? Lol If she's hot i'd bang them both. Same as girls. By 'type' I don't just man one physical trait. But we know when a girl is good looking. And that's who we wanna bang. Exactly the same for girls. Trust me. I work with a shit load of them and see how they behave every single day. You can't 'force attraction' in a girl with game, and your routines and negs and shit. It's cringey too even think that might be the …
/r/seduction05/12/19 06:46 PM
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Does it really matter either way? Routtines or 'natural', if you're not her type, you ain't gonna get her naked lol
/r/seduction05/12/19 06:38 PM
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I wasn't being thirsty! haha. This is a sub about hitting on girls, though! lmao - I have no idea how his comment got upvoted. It shows the state of this sub nowadays. Thirsty for hitting on a girl on a fucking PAU sub!! Legit made me giggle. If you want game advice, look elsewhere is my pro tip
/r/seduction27/11/19 02:47 PM
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I do know what you mean, but I sometimes think that stuff is more in your head than anything else. What country are you in? If the US (most people here are) then it would have been 100% appropriate/fine, tbh. Lots of people OPEN by saying hi (their opener) and then asking for her name in the US
/r/seduction11/10/19 03:12 PM
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exactly. The point of the opener is just to open the convo and it sounds like that was achieved. Once that topic is kind of worn out, you'd need to transition into the next topic IN old school game, after the opinon opener you'd start going into some routines - however, personally, it seems UK girls find that stuff cheesy as fuck and makes you look like a wannabe 'pickup artist' (especially after an opinion opener) so i'd just start asking them normal guy questions 'name, age etc'
/r/seduction11/10/19 02:57 PM
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i'd imagine so. Have a proper look. If you still can't find anything message me as there's a chance I have it somewhere on my old laptop lol
/r/seduction11/10/19 12:10 PM
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He's full of shit lol
/r/seduction11/10/19 10:19 AM
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This girl needs her vids taken down!! Look at this sexual assault!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IVpjSUnt7w
/r/seduction11/10/19 08:27 AM
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happy for you" - You must have had excellent 'game' because you banged her! :)
/r/seduction11/10/19 07:47 AM
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But the thing is, you dont have to take anyones word for it. Try it yourself. Do'nt worry, i've certainly done that! haha Anyway, I think after all these years and especially reading a tonne of interesting posts yesterday (about that girl who cried sexual assault because some guy opened her and touched her arm) i've kind of got my answer. I think it's largely the fact that i'm trying game techniques designed for US girls, on UK girls. UK girls don't give a shit if you come across as confident. I…
/r/seduction11/10/19 07:45 AM
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I think when people crow about 'looks don't matter, girls don't care about looks!'' they're quoting from PUA material 10-15 years back. Who knows, maybe that WAS more the case 10-15 years ago, but shit has changed and we need to update this shit because we are now just telling people PURE lies lol
/r/seduction11/10/19 07:42 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5u5EqL_umQ
/r/seduction10/10/19 08:59 PM
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I don't understand why we keep getting these RSD threads. This is old news. They left 'pickup' ages ago. The Forum shut down about 4 months ago lol. That was the start. They've been deleting vids and stuff slowly since then, and made it fairly clear they were going all 'tony robbins'/self help/wooo wooo stuff I could understand if these threads were about how lots of UK PUA channels are being deleted from youtube recently (because of the BBC program I imagine) - but these RSD threads!? They left…
/r/seduction10/10/19 08:35 PM
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i've seen maybe 800 infields and don't think i've ever seen someone bang a 'no girl' lol. Only strong yes girls (they basically wanted to bang him after he opened) and a few 'maybe girls'
/r/seduction08/10/19 03:05 PM
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Game works. The technical stuff has amazing application on does absolutely work. what's your favourite technical/applicable 'game' stuff? all the infields look good to guys who are inexperienced while guys who are very experienced look at all the infields and see a dancing monkey and an unattracted girl. Yes. I tend to see either a guy doing the dancing monkey thing, trying to implement everything he's 'learnt' (negs, teases, cold reads) whilst the girl is simply unnattracted, waiting for him to…
/r/seduction08/10/19 03:03 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/degrx5/dont_take_seduction_seriously/f2va46b/
/r/seduction08/10/19 11:43 AM
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I think with the exception of a few, most people realise this nowadays. There was a time when the community was super brainwashed and thought you could 'game' your way into a girls pants with your DHV stories and routines etc (or by being centered and happy with lots of hobbies if you're from the other school of thought lol) - but most now know that looks come first. She needs to be physically attracted. (if she's not, nothing will work). Women are the same as us in that sense. (much to my chagr…
/r/seduction08/10/19 11:38 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/dc3psd/how_are_you_guys_doing_with_the_cold_approaches/f2a2uzx/ '' If they (5 hot teens) are all single then I will fuck 3 of them that day and 2 later for sure tho.''
/r/seduction08/10/19 10:22 AM
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the living at home and being underemployed (what to you do?) are kind of irrelevant. You can lie to girls about them things! I've slept with girls who thought I was a marketing professional when I just load lorries lol Short - can't fix Fat - fix it! - start running 32? - only an issue if you want to bang hot teenagers. (I think we all do deep down!!) But some of them have daddy issues, so find them girls Aspergers - can't change it, but you can kind of fake it to some extent
/r/seduction08/10/19 10:00 AM
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Guys are more socially anxious than ever, and girls are more 'picky' than ever when it comes to looks due to celebrity amounts of validation they receive. They all want to bang Chris Hemsworth or they might settle for his look-a-like lol Game doesn't work on these girls as the are as looks obsessed as us dudes are! haha
/r/seduction02/10/19 07:14 PM
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yeah, as the other dude said, no book (our pua course) is worth that kinda money So we're clear, are you talking about this? https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/20458485-the-mystery-method---revelation-8-dvd-13-audio-cd or just the revelation pdf?? And even though it says it's 'new' I don't think it's that new at all. Maybe 10 years old? Is that what you want?
/r/seduction02/10/19 06:27 PM
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And you don’t need money OR looks to raise social value I think that's true, but the problem is that there's more too it than value or social value if you're looking to get laid, as, lets be honest, most of us are In my experience, you can be feeling super good about yourself, even bringing a great vibe and making her laugh and everything and giving her lots of 'feels', but her sexual/physical attraction is required if it's to actually go anywhere and as much as I hate to say it, everything i've…
/r/seduction02/10/19 06:01 PM
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Nice FR! Shows that it's mainly about 'attraction' and that is the part that is basically out of your control (you're either her type or you aren't). You can 'run game', but if she's not into you, you'll never get her in bed. (physical attraction is a pre-requisite ) 4th girl thought you were hot so you'd have been able to bang her if you weren't cock blocked Good stuff, though! I can tell from that FR that you will get laid at this!!
/r/seduction25/09/19 01:35 PM
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It doesn't create arousal Actually, that's exactly what they can do lol. (Same as how you wanna bang hot girls without ever speaking to them) I'M not saying looks are EVERYTHING, but to downplay them is ludicrous. She won't want to sleep with you if she isn't physically attracted to you, no matter how many DHV stories or negs or whatever you throw at her
/r/seduction23/09/19 02:13 PM
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Agree
/r/seduction23/09/19 12:58 PM
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yep, I agree. In my experience, 'game' is really more about not 'losing' girls who are into us as opposed to somehow MAKING them into us. I've certainly had good looking friends who girls will open and flirt with, who go on to fuck it up and lose the girl due too a complete lack of 'game'.
/r/seduction23/09/19 12:58 PM
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yeah, taking nothing away from the OP, but it really is always about the girl rather than you imo. I wrote an FR a while ago where I opened a girl with a question about whether she was on a works night out and had good eye contact etc. She basically told me to go away. Everyone on seddit was like ''Ok, so what have you learnt? Don't ask a girl that as an opener for one!'' etc. Well, I went out on Saturday, and instinctively asked another girl the same opener (only realised after i'd asked that I…
/r/seduction23/09/19 10:58 AM
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The politeness you receive in a day approach is kind of forgot in a bar . it like a yes or no , with the first few sentences lol, agreed. In a bar, I know within less than a few seconds whether it's worth trying to carry on talking to her or not lol.
/r/seduction22/09/19 02:41 PM
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I think it's more the feeling of a harsh rejection as opposed too a 'fear' of women? It's kind of hard to explain. You can feel so down on yourself and fall into a kind of depression when you get some 'harsh' rejections, such as can be fairly common from hot young girls in bars, particularly in parts of Europe! (''Ewwww...no. You're ugly. Go away!'' kind of thing lol) You kind of don't want too approach because you don't want to feel like shit for a week lol. Sometimes People would rather just n…
/r/seduction22/09/19 02:32 PM
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And as we were drunk I found out she hooked up with at least 2 other guys in the meantime That sort of thing can sting a bit at first, but once you realise and accept it, it kind of helps in that it makes you realise that hooking up with girls isn't some big deal. If she thinks you're hot, it's easy to hook up. These girls aren't Disney princesses. They're the same as us. They see something visually stimulating, they want it I sort of learnt this when I was still in school and most of my friends…
/r/seduction21/09/19 12:21 PM
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This debate will NEVER be settled lol But the answer is (from cold approach especially) they matter a shit tonne!! If you are NOT her physical type, like...at all (she thinks you're a bit ugly) then 'game' won't do shit. (and some girls, especially the very young, hot ones, can be picky as FUCK!) You can get her emotions going. Tease her. Make her laugh. Make her sad. DHV. neg her bla bla bla, she still won't want to sleep with you. She won't be sexually attracted. That's just the the stuff that…
/r/seduction12/09/19 09:49 PM
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I actually found it less cringey than most FR's I read tbh lol
/r/seduction11/09/19 09:14 PM
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Obviously. I mean, if she thinks you're short and have a big nose and she likes ttall guys with model faces, no amount of game (negging, teasing whatever) is gonna do shit lol. Don't tihnk many would disagree with you, though. Mark Manson is the poster boy here, and he basically says teh same thing
/r/seduction11/09/19 07:15 PM
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You just weren't her physical type. Move on to the next one. Also, all seems a bit contrived. We have moved on since 2006. Open direct and be clear in your intent
/r/seduction20/08/19 03:25 PM
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Any other long term seddit readers completely baffled to see a post advocating myserymethod is so heavily upvoted?!! lol (seddit famously hates mystery and is instead reccommends mark manson which is like the polar opposite! haha)
/r/seduction12/08/19 06:20 PM
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Of course. Game isn't some sort of magic lol. It comes AFTER physical attraction. Good eye contact, body language etc will help when she thinks you're handsome, but won't help if you're NOT her physical type at all. Same as you. Personality matters only after you've decided she's pretty
/r/seduction01/08/19 04:19 PM
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you're talking about shotgun approach on girls who think you are hot (which I agree is easy IF you are her physical type), whereas I think the OP is talking about actual 'game'
/r/askTRP30/07/19 11:50 AM
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It only looks odd in your own head. Walking up too a young girl and saying 'Hi, I'm James'' IS weird tbh! haha. It's fine for US people. Not Brits. Makes you stand out in a weird way
/r/askTRP30/07/19 11:49 AM
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Long time no meet
/r/seduction28/07/19 09:17 PM
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The British thing is sort of an issue, but the "chavs" (is that the word?) Indeed it is. Council Housed And Violent! ;) (c.h.a.v) don't seem to have problems hooking up with each other. Absolutely true. Not from cold approach, though. They all tend to know each other having all grown up on the same estate. Mixing in the same circles. Never moving out of the area. All from the same broken homes. Frustrating actually, as some chav girls are super hot where I live, but they are super hostile to any…
/r/seduction28/07/19 07:30 PM
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Call her out on it Calling her out at this point may not be the best option At least this way he can cover all his bases! :)
/r/seduction22/07/19 04:55 PM
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Good looking guys just need to run 'don't fuck up' game. Basically, don't be super autistic But at the same time, having amazing 'game' won't help if she's not attracted to you
/r/seduction20/07/19 02:15 PM
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https://imgur.com/a/7lLFoih
/r/seduction20/07/19 02:04 PM
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Could be that his approach angle is a couple of degrees off. OP, try the opener ''Hey girl. I saw you, and I thought you looked nice''. Maybe that opener could get you a much much higher hit rate.
/r/seduction19/07/19 07:26 PM
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It sounds like he's already using push-pull etc. Disqualifying a girl won't make her chase you unless she's attracted to you btw. There's no magic techniques to MAKE a girl want you, i'm afraid. It's a numbers game to find the 'yes girls' as Mark Manson says
/r/seduction19/07/19 01:50 PM
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If it makes you feel better, basically every PUA theory and technique etc is completely contradicted by the next PUA, so in essence there are no rules, and so nothing to learn! (you can go direct, go indirect, ask questions after open, don't ask questions but make assumptions after open, show clear intent, don't show clear intent and be 'aloof', etc etc etc) Just approach tonnes, and escalate (touch, verbally etc) on girls who you can tell are into you (they'll ask you questions, give you strong…
/r/seduction01/07/19 09:43 AM
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thanks. Yes, this reads close to what I already do, tbh, although would still like to compare notes, lol I'm also short, and NOT that handsome, unfortunately. ALthough since beginning cold approach, i've slept with a few girls, 1 or 2 of whom were very very attractive! (although i put this more down to luck/them having odd taste in aesthetics as opposed to some sort of manipulative PUA skill on my part!) ''make some comment on something physical about her,'' I tend to talk about her fashion or h…
/r/askTRP30/06/19 01:22 PM
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If you get rejected you can step out of the situations and know exactly what you did wrong you'd likely never actually know. I mean, most likely, you simply werent' her type/she wasn't physically attracted, and that's why she rejected you. But the 'PUA' might assume it was the angle he approached at or that his hands moved around too much in set etc lol. Then maybe in the next set he'll approach at a 'better' angle, and he'll get the number and put his success down to the 'tweak', but the real r…
/r/seduction06/06/19 07:16 AM
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You ease into it (like a gimp suit) Had no idea what you were talking about until the gimp suit analogy. I can relate now.
/r/seduction12/05/19 02:57 PM
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Don't game with handsome friends! lol I tend to do my best work solo. My wing is like male model material and it's pointless hitting on girls when he's around lol. No matter what he does girls will just move on to him.
/r/seduction12/05/19 11:28 AM
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Depends who you talk too! PS - RSD forums aren't just 'pretty slow'. They've now GONE! They are no more! RSD have gone 'self help' now. Tony Robbins, motivational speaker type stuff. It's the new thing. Maybe they figure it's easier to convince some 4/10 guy to be 'happy' with meditation and positive self talk and diet etc, than it is to try to get him LAID with an 8!! lol It seems like the general belief in 'game' is at an all time low. Simple as that. Even on the few remaining PUA forums nobod…
/r/seduction11/05/19 09:45 AM
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I think you can change her mind if you're not her type but you're gonna have to do really well at seducing her, like playing with a golf handicap. I personally don't agree with that, but it's all good, lol. I actually pulled last night! First 2 sets gave me NOTHING. I think I wasn't their type at all and nothing I done gamewize done a damn thing. They just had zero interest in me. I think I could have had all the best PUA's in the world telling me what to say through and ear-piece and the result…
/r/seduction21/04/19 08:26 AM
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I'm not hot objectively but she thought I was, many other girls don't share that opinion Yep. Important point. I'll be honest. Even though I believe in 'game' to some extent, I think looks is SUPER important when it comes to cold approach. I honestly think the industry is full of shit when it talks about looks not mattering and you can use 'game' to make her sexually attracted to you instead, lol. her thinking you are handsome is basically a pre-requisiste. …
/r/seduction21/04/19 08:14 AM
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It's not especially height. Height is just a factor of 'looks'. She needs to think you are 'good looking', basically (and depending on her preferences, height could be an important factor in this) Biggest slayer in my group is a short ass (Maybe 5ft 7?) but he's handsome as hell, and so girls literally throw themselves at him like he's famous lol. He could get away with awful 'game' and still score at will
/r/seduction20/04/19 01:12 PM
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Yeah, you're right. I just find anything that isn't an outright cold approach in a bar hard. 2 times i've felt i'd messed up recently. first one was I met 2 strangers in a bar.r Girl and a guy. I thought they were a couple but I later found out they weren't. We all chatted and had fun and in the end, the guy actually asked for my number (lol) as he liked my company and said we could all hang out. They both added me on facebook the next day. I met them out in town again one night a week later and…
/r/seduction20/04/19 12:09 PM
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That might be a big IF, lol.
/r/seduction20/04/19 11:02 AM
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I kind of agree, but I also find that without any kind of 'set up' at all, it makes it much more potentially weird for the girl. Like, imagine talking about your plans for the weekend and then just starting to get very touchy feely, or going for the kiss or something. Like, seemingly out of nowhere. More likely to get a really embarrassing, unrecoverable rejection or just look a bit odd, lol Better to baby step it by talking about certain sexual subjects and flirting and stuff. Kind of test the …
/r/seduction20/04/19 10:59 AM
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It can feel a bit lose/lose, tbh. Advice here all seems to be to basically not show intent and just have fun and hope that she's into you and basically makes it happen herself. But in previous, similar threads, I can think of many where the guy maybe liked a girl he saw from time to time at work or maybe was in a position similar to the OP here, and he was asking how to 'make the move' and people were all like ''Dude, you should have been direct with her straight away. You are now probably in th…
/r/seduction20/04/19 09:56 AM
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What are your current ones?
/r/seduction20/04/19 07:38 AM
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I've only EVER had one night stands. I can't even imagine going on a date!
/r/seduction19/04/19 10:14 PM
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Never got a daygame lay. Got a fair few nightgame lays, though
/r/seduction19/04/19 10:07 PM
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In classic PUA theory, the correct response is to agree and amplify, or reframe. So either, ''Yeah, it's tiny. It's like a wet baby carrot! It's a bit like sitting on a tic-tac. You wouldn't like it'' or ''Stop thinking about my dick, you pervert!! Man, you can't get me off your brain, can you! I'm gonna get a restraining order on you...''
/r/seduction19/04/19 09:51 PM
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I'm fucking middle aged, many if not most 18-year-olds think I'm too old now. That's the hardest pill to swallow, I find. Fact is, a large portion of teens won't consider an 'older' dude. But when I feel down about missing out on the hottest girls (who, lets be honest, are generally teenagers!) I remind myself that I did 'kind of try' even when I was young. Like you, I didn't ever really 'approach' like I do now, but I honestly very much doubt i'd have been some super slayer if I had have, as I …
/r/seduction19/04/19 06:48 PM
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I know, I know, lol. Super expensive. I've consulted a few though
/r/seduction19/04/19 06:32 PM
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Already do. Body is good. It's more about being handsome/face
/r/seduction19/04/19 05:23 PM
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I'm not good looking, but I have been 'cat-called' once in my life from memory by a girl (also in a car) whilst I was walking. Would be amazing to be handsome to the point that it happens lots, and girls open you in bars etc. (Happens to my good looking friend. Super jealous lol. Can't fail to get laid when a girl thinks you're hot). Rest of us gotta play 'numbers game' and keep opening girls until one thinks we're hot!
/r/seduction19/04/19 04:37 PM
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Lets imagine you are in a bar. We'll forget about social proof for now. You don't have a hareem of hot girls all over you to make girls curious or 5 wingmen singing your praises. You are on your own. Maybe with one new wingman. You spot a hot girl. She's an 8.5. You are a 5. You can't rely on your looks to attract her. She's already glanced at you and she isn't interested and doesn't give you a second thought. But you want her. GO!!! Talk about the kinds of things you will say at each stage of t…
/r/seduction19/04/19 12:31 PM
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lmao. I've seen it about 500 times personally, over the years. Along with the other 3 recurring posts he makes! haha
/r/seduction19/04/19 11:22 AM
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Well, more power to you. I've never read or heard about anyone before who can bang anyone they want so that's quite amazing. But you could literally be the richest man on the planet with that amazing skill, tbh. Monestize it. I'd just get in my car right now and find out where the nearest teen model convention is, and bang all of the girls there using my superpower/mind control skills. Would be epic. I'd also track down my favourite hot celebs and bang them quickly lol
/r/seduction19/04/19 09:28 AM
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lol, you're saying that you can bang any girl you want and can always convince a girl to have sex with you. You should most definitely start a thread here explaining that if that's what you're saying. Makes you the best PUA in the world by far!! You should be beyond famous! (unless you really ARE ridiculously handsome or like, only approach fatties, or are a white guy in Asia or something!) You should go and bang all of the victoria secret models and film the infeilds. You'd be a billionnaire!"!…
/r/seduction19/04/19 07:22 AM
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but nobody (except possibly very handsome celebs like Zak Efron) can bang basically any girl they want too. Mystery and other 'top' PUA's seem to get rejected a fair bit. I tend to think that they only pull the girls who are already into them. They just don't realise this though, lol
/r/seduction19/04/19 12:29 AM
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It's true that when it comes to hooking up, it's all about mainly looks, and also status, but here's the thing. How can we as men be angry? We are exactly the same!!!! We only wanna bang super hot, young girls with pretty faces and nice bodies. It's hypocritical to hate them for being the same as us lol
/r/seduction18/04/19 10:39 PM
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I understand what you're saying. I just disagree. I've been at this for a while now. I've gamed with many people. I've read all the books and watched all the vids and made lots of approaches. I don't think there's really any 'skill' too it, at all. You're either her type or you aren't. She knows within about 2 seconds. And you can't change that with all teh negs, cold reads, humour, DHV stories, good eye contact and body language in the world. I do agree though that if you have like, amazingly b…
/r/seduction18/04/19 09:39 PM
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cool. Thanks for providing an example. yeah, I already do that sort of thing.
/r/seduction18/04/19 08:36 PM
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A horrible night out when no girls liked them. Surely that means they are trying/practicing?
/r/seduction18/04/19 06:16 PM
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but also having techniques built within that helps you intuitively spike emotions and escalate effectively examples?
/r/seduction18/04/19 04:55 PM
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there's a program in teh UK called 'first dates' where they film real first dates, and on one of them, the dude got fucking plastered before his date. Was pretty funny
/r/seduction18/04/19 04:23 PM
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you've been posting this same question here every week for about 4 years lol. Makes me lol
/r/seduction18/04/19 04:21 PM
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lol
/r/seduction18/04/19 04:20 PM
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yeah, I mean maybe i've not explained myself brilliantly. I don't think that being brave will get you girls who aren't at all into you. But then the point is that I think that NOTHING you do/say will do that. Even if you had the top 5 PUA's in the world telling you what to say/do. If she doesn't like the way you look, then it's game over I just think that with being bold you may surprise yourself with the results and you'll bang girls who you would have thought weren't into if you'd never had es…
/r/seduction18/04/19 03:09 PM
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I can get some college girls. I slept with 2 college girls last week in Hungary! Just not the ones who aren't attracted to me physically (i'm not their type). Hope that clears it up
/r/seduction18/04/19 02:49 PM
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Yeah. But I see that as 'low inhibition' as opposed to 'skill', I guess.
/r/seduction18/04/19 02:02 PM
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Seddit is very 'correct and proper' and so you won't get the advice you want here (people will tell you never to lie about anything etc) but personally, I lie about various things in every single set, and it can help me get laid. For a job, just choose something that you can pass of as real and that is mildly interesting! For example, I pretend to teach music in lots of sets at the moment! But I actually can play a few instruments and can carry the lie. And it's more interesting than saying you …
/r/seduction18/04/19 01:26 PM
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do you not understand that not every country has the same rules??? In the UK, she could be even younger than 17, and you could be 120, and it would still be fine
/r/seduction18/04/19 12:49 PM
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wow. I guess i'm the odd one out! I'm older than you and banged girls younger than that recently!!! Age of consent is 16 here with no 'age gap' laws. End of the day, if it's legal,go for it, is my advice
/r/seduction18/04/19 09:59 AM
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define 'skill'. I'm yet to see anyone 'convince' a girl to be sexually attracted to them if she wasn't remotely interested initially (insta rejection after opening for example) I think everything i've ever read in PUA literature is stuff that most normal guys (including me) were already aware of
/r/seduction18/04/19 09:40 AM
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What's your method on British girls? I feel like if I just be nice, compliment, with a couple jokes thrown in I'm really no different than 80% of the people who talk to her on that night thus will inevitably lose on looks Yeah, it's a bit rough. As I say, personally I think looks are basically everything, HOWEVER, that doesn't mean you need to look like a male model. I've learnt that some girls really do seem to have quite varied taste and some guys who you might think are a bit weird looking or…
/r/seduction03/03/19 11:47 AM
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yes. I feel like pulling girls in the day time is also all about looks, tbh
/r/seduction03/03/19 10:09 AM
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I know what you are saying, but I think when it's a matter of you 'doing something wrong' it's usually something BIG that most people wouldn't be doing anyway, such as saying something extremely odd to the girl, or giving off VERY strange eye contact and body langauge etc. But in the real world, most people can come across as confident and say 'hi' too a girl, but some girls are simply gonna tell you to 'go away' more or less straight away (especially night game somewhere like London) because yo…
/r/seduction02/03/19 05:54 PM
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For starters, pulling girls from bars is all about looks Isn't this always the case?
/r/seduction02/03/19 03:58 PM
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With the right moves - any guy, any girl, any time. what does this mean? Are you saying that 'with the right moves' a 90 year old homeless dude can bang any 18 year old 10/10 cheerleader? I think 'figuring out what went wrong' is basically an impossible task due to the almost unlimited number of variables. Most likely, you just weren't her type
/r/seduction02/03/19 03:44 PM
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The 'don't ask questions' is probably one of the pieces of 'game' advice that done the most harm to me, personally. It's kinda ridiculous. Have you seen any of JulienRSD's infields? All he DOES is ask questions. Obviously, ideally it's best mix it up with statements and assumptions as you don't want to just shotgun questions at her, but thinking ''I can't ask any questions'' is about the most harmful 'pua wisdom' i've ever read. Look at the interactions that your 'natural' friends have with girl…
/r/seduction02/03/19 02:37 PM
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It's all a numbers game. Just keep going until one of them likes you. It's VERY rare that a rejection or a girl not being interested in you is your fault or that you could have somehow said some magic lines and then 'boom!' she wants to bang you.
/r/seduction02/03/19 01:01 PM
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I guess. I'm not hating. When I was a virgin i'd read lay reports and stuff with jealousy and think guys with apparent 1000+ lay counts like jmulv were so cool. And now that i've been gaming for a while and got some notches, I kind of find most of the industry a bit cringey and I'm honestly not remotely jealous of someone like jmulv (not that I believe his count anyway! I hear he uses hookers) I think the issue I have is that I don't really see it as a skill game as such. (I used too. Not so muc…
/r/seduction02/03/19 10:00 AM
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cool. But that's because you were her physical type
/r/seduction02/03/19 09:19 AM
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Yeah. I'm not certain i'd say hot girls are more likely to be nicer, but I would say that they aren't more likely to be meaner! In other words, on average, it's pretty similar, and so for that reason alone, yes, you may aswell approach the absolute wordies! Although, be aware that if you ain't handsome/her type, it's certainly gonna be a rejection, and the slightly less attractive girls probably won't be quite so picky. If you're a 7, a 6 will probably be instantly into you and make it easy to b…
/r/seduction01/03/19 07:26 PM
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Why do people keep blogs and stuff about this stuff lol. I have a really good looking friend who has banged like 400+ very hot girls and he doesn't have a blog! I should get him to start one to put other 'pua's' to shame lol
/r/seduction01/03/19 05:53 PM
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Probably turns out they've both got Dungeons full up with the hottest Jailbait girls you can imagine! :) Most very powerful people seem to end up in the papers being exposed for sexual stuff lol. And if they're very powerful, it's usually only after they die that the stories get released (Jimmy Saville etc!) But I guess there are also some nerdy types that just aren't really especially interested in hot girls and don't have the same desires to bang the hottest girls imaginable every night. When …
/r/seduction01/03/19 05:27 PM
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No. girls in fairness. Dunno, maybe the dude was gay? Does sound a bit weird I suppose. Maybe the dude was in a serious relationship and not looking to bang the girl who he knows is hot and single and would like this handsome guy
/r/seduction01/03/19 11:28 AM
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If it's legal who cares? I'm nearly 30 and got with a 17/18 year old recently. 16 is legal here, btw ps - My brother is 39 and very seriously (now living with) dating a 20 year old. It's all good.
/r/seduction01/03/19 11:25 AM
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He's probably handsome as hell or something. My handsome friend has had people give out their female friends numbers and stuff to him.
/r/seduction01/03/19 11:24 AM
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This would probably be a good post if this was a mysterymethod forum, but most people here consider him to be full of shit (in fairness, some of his infields are amongst the worst i've ever seen!) Most of this sub subscribe more to the Mark manson style of game, and so compliments and showing intent etc are very much encouraged, so I doubt you'll get much love with your idea here tbh lol. Having said that, I don't really subscribe to either camp. I think it's largely irrelevant. If she's into yo…
/r/seduction28/02/19 10:23 PM
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tonnes of hot girls are only interested in some athlete or male model or something and if you ain't her type, nothing you say will get her to 'hook'. I think i've tried it all lol. I meet lots of these types of girls in high end London clubs etc. It's like they're celebrities in their mind (I guess they kind of are!). You can tease, cold read, tell DHV stories, call them out, laugh at their behaviour, neg etc etc, doesn't matter. If you are not a girls physical type, nothing you say or do will s…
/r/seduction28/02/19 07:20 PM
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I just got out of work with my mind distorted because of watching this one guy pulling the new women in a matter of minutes as if like if he's been doing his entire life What happened exactly? It's probably just that she thought he was good looking. Don't get too hung up on 'game' tbh.
/r/seduction28/02/19 02:05 PM
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I can actually relate to some extent. I used to be in a big social circle and I was probably one of the more popular guys. My brother was a fairly well known gangster and it kind of gave me a social 'edge' in a way! But I was chill and funny and people liked me. One or 2 of the girls in my social group liked me. But the problem was that it was all kind of a lie. People assumed I was a 'bad boy' and that i'd been having sex since I was like 13 like my brothers had and stuff but that was far from …
/r/seduction28/02/19 10:56 AM
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One of Todd's go to lines "you're cute but might be trouble" is taken the wrong way a lot whenever I use it. Yep. Again, I think it's largely a UK thing and that all PUA advice is US specific. A push/pull line will tend to get a very different reaction on a UK girls Vs a US girl. I note for example that when I open how JUlien does with heavy breaking rapport tonality (albeit with a smile on my face) the girls will be combative and even more hostile and just walk away, whereas the USU girls see i…
/r/seduction28/02/19 08:38 AM
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One can only game a girl who wants to be gamed. If you aren't her type or if she is in a happy relationship and not someone who talks to strangers on nights out, nothing in terms of 'game' will 'work' tbh
/r/seduction27/02/19 01:41 PM
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lol, yeah, French are about the only others I know of who have it as rough as Brits! I actually got a brutal rejection by a French girl last weekend who literally snapped at me and then shoved her palm in my face and then agressively told me to go away before storming off, and all I done was smile and say ''Hi!'' lol. Reminded me of when Ned Flanders in the Simpsons gets a similar reaction from a French guy and he says ''A rude French person!!? Well, I never!!''. lol, so it's obviously something…
/r/seduction27/02/19 12:36 PM
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Americans are the luckiest guys on earth in terms of cold approach. Girls are like trained to be polite and talk back and converse when a stranger talks to them. I have better luck with American girls than any other nationality in terms of cold approach, and so do most people I know IN terms of Europe, I find that, other than Brits, French and Italians can be pretty rough. However, Polish and Hungarian and probably lots more i'm missing out are much more receptive to cold approach and talking to…
/r/seduction27/02/19 12:21 PM
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Ha. I KNEW you'd be in England the second you said about girls not talking back/contributing in the convo! Girls rarely talk back over here. Don't worry about it. Numbers game. A girl who thinks you are super hot probably WILL talk back, but the others won't No matter how much 'game' you run or hoe many feels you give them I had a few sets last night where I teased, made cold reads, asked questions, made statements. I could have had the best PUA in my ear telling me what to say and it wouldn't h…
/r/seduction27/02/19 11:59 AM
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Interesting post. I've read basically every book on game that's out there, and I found that I basically didn't learn anything that I wasn't already aware of. It strikes me that 'game' is simply the ability to be able to constantly come up with non-awkward conversation! Basically being social and good at talking. And then, assuming she thinks you're decent looking, and she' single and available, things can happen. I'm with you in that it's hard for me. Especially here in the UK where we don't tal…
/r/askTRP26/02/19 08:32 AM
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I think there’s something off with your approach. 7 lays out of 1200 approaches isn’t the best ratio It's actually a fair bit better than a lot of my friends who aren't blessed with good looks, as far as 'cold approach' goes! Most of them haven't got laid from their cold approach attempts in years and years. Problem is that there is an importat pre-requisite in terms of being physically attractive in HER opinion that must be met before you can have a chance at showing your charisma/confidence (g…
/r/seduction05/10/18 08:59 AM
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It's a skill in a sense - i.e If she is into you and thinks you are her physical type, then with game (i.e not being at all awkward and coming across as confident) you should be able to lead it to sex. And without game (coming across as awkward and lacking in confidence) then you might mess it up despite her thinking you are handsome. Problem is that most of the time when someone is rejected, it's not because they lacked 'skill'. They could learn every line in the book, but if he isn't her type,…
/r/seduction17/09/18 05:26 PM
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can you comment on my FR? https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/93qdop/fr_full_fr_of_saturday_night/ maybe you can offer advice since you are maybe a game expert
/r/seduction01/08/18 08:26 PM
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yeah, I can sort of tell from just reading that that stuff would get a weird reaction here. Like, even opinion opener usually seem suspicious to girls. Not sure if it's because they are more switched on that US girls and deep-down they KNOW it's a chat up line, or just because talking too a stranger like that just isn't the 'done thing' here. Also things like the best friends test. It reminds me of when Tyler made a vid talking about how he stopped using canned game as he became the 'best frined…
/r/seduction01/08/18 08:06 PM
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I just mean physically I AM kind of ugly. It's not a limiting belief. The same as me not being as good at dunking as Michael Jordan isn't a limiting belief. it's just the way it is. But i've been told I come across as 'confident' a few times so I don't feel as though my delivery as that bad. It's just more that 'attraction material' DOESN'T seem to make girls attracted to you. Like we've been sold a bit of a lie? Girls seem to be much more like guys. They are ATTRACTED to what they think of as '…
/r/seduction01/08/18 04:42 PM
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I wouldn't say cringe, no, but i'm on the ugly side so it's always a 'sorry, you're not my type'' kind of thing so I don't think direct is best suited to me.
/r/seduction01/08/18 03:58 PM
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how do you define game out of interest? I'm guessing just body language and stuff?
/r/seduction01/08/18 03:57 PM
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this is for those who believe in 'game' - not just like being good looking or whatever. We need to 'attract' her with game if we aren't good looking basically. That's where material and 'concepts' such as push-pull etc all come from
/r/seduction01/08/18 03:29 PM
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It doesn't take anything to sleep with 1 in 200 girls. I can go out and just ask girls to come back to my place and sleep with 1 in 200 Unless you were model good looking, any girl that would agree to that would be hideous. Would rather masterbate lol I don't think of game as a skill, tbh. My good looking friends could outgame Tyler so easily, and they are just 'normal' (no palm reading and stuff.)
/r/seduction20/07/18 04:56 PM
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lana
/r/seduction20/07/18 04:35 PM
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Come on if it really were that simple this sub wouldn't exist. If we were all able to just go out and have a relatively successful sex life, this sub would be useless. Sure there'd be some communities about the masterworkings of the whole thing but as a whole? We'd be pretty set and we'd be able to focus on our life. I agree.
/r/seduction20/07/18 04:07 PM
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Good looking but most importantly, filming drunk teenage girls on 6th street whilst he's got a camera pointing at him!! That's HUGE! Girls know he's youtube famous (masive status there in todays world amongst young girls), plus girls will make out with anyone when a camera is stuck in their face (another trick used by some PUA's to get infield such as that Australian dude 'bradicus'). This is not 'game' on any level lol YOU could get 50 makeouts per night if you had a handsome face and a few peo…
/r/seduction20/07/18 03:30 PM
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The dudes with a 300+ slay count are the guys with 'game' (as long as the girls are decent and the dude isn't a male model)
/r/seduction20/07/18 01:49 PM
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You'll never know. I know people who think they are a 'master PUA' when in fact they are just very good looking lol. (girls open THEM, escalate on THEM and do all of the 'game' for them.) Or they only bang Foreign girls who are travelling and 'have their guard down' and are literally looking to banged whilst they are away from their friends and family back home and so won't feel like a slut etc (lots of youtube PUA's exploit this trick). Lots easier. Maybe if you are a 5/10 lookswise and you don…
/r/seduction20/07/18 01:25 PM
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I don't have a link but I have some old PDF files on my PC aswell as a few of his programs. He's a very intelligent dude and is very interesting to read. I know from my own experience that he knows what he's talking about. (I don't always feel that with pickup dudes) ''model I work with is: Initial Hook Connection / Screen Qualification attraction / Close I have put the attraction near the end for a few reasons: -Less shit testing in the connection process. -Attraction is more effective after yo…
/r/seduction19/07/18 12:01 PM
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Agreed (mostly). There is a massive social different between lots of Europe (UK in particular) and teh US Not sure that MM is the foundation of game, though. SO many elements of the M3 model seem to have been somewhat debunked. Even the very 'core' (attraction, comfort, seduce) is disputed by Vin Di Carlo and a few others
/r/seduction19/07/18 11:40 AM
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I've never known someone be successful (getting laid with hot girls from cold approach) using mysterymethod. It just makes you look like an odd ball in my experience. At best you're the 'fun' guy making baloon animals in the corner. Just talk like a normal person. Hey, what's your name kind of thing. it's not as if some magic trick is gonna wanna make her bang you! Or any of the methods in fact. (DHV stories, negs etc) None of it works as advertised. Mystery was actually a magician,/illusionist.…
/r/seduction19/07/18 11:33 AM
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Making more money doesn't stop someone getting rejected at the open for not being their physical type lol
/r/seduction08/07/18 11:09 PM
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I doubt it was anything do do with that. More likely she just wasn't physically attracted to him
/r/seduction08/07/18 07:03 PM
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disagree. Unless you are SERIOUSLY weird, then if you are very good looking it's super hard to fuck it up. Plus you can just get girls to meet you in a hotel room on tinder without even saying a word to them lol
/r/seduction08/07/18 04:03 PM
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Girls just watch programs like 'love Island' in the UK and unless you look like one of the guys in that (6ft 3, kick ass jawline and face, ripped to sheds etc) than cold approach is always gonna be super rough
/r/seduction08/07/18 03:39 PM
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Only slightly unfortunately. Hit the gym and dress nice. Get a tan. although if truth be known, I still almost never get approached despite them things, and my friend could wear piss stained sweatpants and he'd still probably have hot girls throwing themselves at him lol
/r/seduction06/07/18 10:00 PM
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You need to be very good looking. I've been approached maybe 4 times in my entire life. My wing get's approached about 4 times per night. Girls literally walking to him and making conversation, or outright telling him he's hot etc. No game required!! haha. Be handsome.
/r/seduction06/07/18 09:50 PM
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I'm thinking about going to hostels in Eastern Europe to see how much easier it is to bang girls who are travelling, with their inhibitions much lower than usual and basically look for 'adventure'. I hope it's as easy as people tell me.
/r/seduction06/07/18 04:49 PM
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It's not as much of a 'skill' as the industry would have you believe. You can't force her to be attracted to you using 'game'. Do you really think a neg here and a cold read there is gonna make her wanna bang? It's largely a matter of her being 'into you' the second she lays eyes on you, and then NOT FUCKING IT UP by being super needy or failing every shit test etc etc. RSDJulien says he 'still gets rejected all the time' which suggests that it IS a numbers game of sorts. The girls he gets are o…
/r/seduction05/07/18 09:17 PM
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And only the most cunning, ruthless and cold hearted (=assholes) get the prize of being with a beautiful women. Are you talking about old school game like negs? If it makes you feel better, they've never worked in my experience lol
/r/seduction05/07/18 12:08 AM
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oh, OK. The way you worded you initial post made it sound like you were saying you recommended a different opener, but I think I know what you're saying now.
/r/seduction04/07/18 04:12 PM
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Openers don’t matter but like you said, 'hi, how are you'' will only work if you are in the top 20% of looks.
/r/seduction04/07/18 03:53 PM
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RSD often open with an observation/comment based on what the girl is wearing or doing etc to be fair. I personally have a better hook rate with that than opinion openers, but then that could be based on the country one lives in
/r/seduction04/07/18 12:12 PM
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Must admit I was a bit surprised to see his initial reply upvoted! This place is turning into lookism lol
/r/seduction04/07/18 12:08 PM
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In honesty I haven't tried LOADS of opinion openers so i've maybe not given them a fair run, but i've maybe done like 40 of them, and I feel like they give me the worst results personally. My last one was actually last weekend (as I said before, it was kind of the straw that broke teh camels back lol). I FTC and was like ''Do you think kissing is cheating?''. And she slowly repeated it back to me in a sort of sarcastic way. I 'rooted' the opener anda told her about how me and my friend were talk…
/r/seduction04/07/18 10:54 AM
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then I'm already showing a lot of interest and it becomes and up hill I think it comes down to this. One part of the community is worried about showing interest, and for the other part of the community, that IS what 'game' is and it's absolutely the last thing you want to hide. I guess the most important thing to remember is that there doesn't appear to be a 'right way' or a 'wrong way' since im sure we both know that there are wildly successful PUA's who methods are at polar opposites, and mayb…
/r/seduction04/07/18 09:58 AM
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any recommendation openers (and intial followup) for guys who aren't really good looking? I tend to get worst reactions with super INDIRECT mysterymethod style stuff AND super direct Mark Manson style stuff. For me, it seems that 'in the middle' is the sweetspot where i'll use an observational opener whilst also trying to subcommunicate intent; But a lot of the time, nothing come to mind
/r/seduction04/07/18 07:42 AM
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I've actually grown to hate them too! I really wanted to like them as I like the concept, but in practice they just always seemed to get me off on the wrong footing in some way. Also, at least here in the UK, girls really aren't interested in chatting to some random dude about these things? So often I got a confused look and somewhat muted reaction from her as if she either wondered why I was asking HER out of everyone all, or she just looked at me like she knew this was my attempt to pick her u…
/r/seduction04/07/18 07:40 AM
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I think the problem with the whole 'dark side'/manipulation side of game is that it just doesn't work!! It's marketing. If it worked, every guy would be studying this stuff and getting laid with 10's every night using their secret manipulative lines etc. Morals wouldn't even come into it if it actually worked! I promise lol (If it was discovered that there was a secret handshake that made girls want to have sex with you, every guy who knew about it would use it. They couldn't help themselves whe…
/r/seduction18/05/18 03:59 PM
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In general, I like to reply to that sort of comment with : ''It's OK, I don't judge'' (got it from JulienRSD and always kind of liked it). Although I would obviously not use that sort of response if Ii felt like she really WAS super down on herself and low in confidence, but most girls are just fishing for compliments which is why Juliens line works One time, some girl I was seeing was talking about one of her pretty friends and she said ''Do you wish I looked like her??'' and I said ''Of course…
/r/seduction17/05/18 09:10 PM
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Do you mean ''what is going to work'' FOR YOU? I mean, I could go out and make 10,000 approaches, and conclude that indirect is far superior. But then someone else could come back and say ''Nope, I also done the 10,000 approaches thing. Direct is actually the way to go'' Or maybe they have the same disagreement about whether you should be playful and touchy, vs serious and aloof or whatever. I suppose that could be why there ARE such contradicting opinions by apparent experts who have already pr…
/r/seduction17/05/18 08:53 PM
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Hell no! Can't imagine going solo in the UK! (Extreme social circle scene). I was with 3 friends, but they aren't really interested in getting rejected all night, lol My persistence was good, but I don't feel as though I done 'good' with the girl who liked me, or 'bad' with the girls who didn't. I feel like it's 100% out of my control which isn't a nice feeling tbh
/r/seduction16/05/18 08:27 PM
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On this occasion, it was more 'raw' and it didn't really lead too a story. However, that was kind of intentional. I've noticed that for some reason, 'stories' don't seem to be welcome by girls I've just opened! I seem to be more likely to 'hook' if I go straight into teasing them for their answer instead of being like ''Because my friend Dave who I went to school with met this girl and bla bla bla''. The 'story' element maybe comes across as too 'over familiar' to UK girls? I actually saw a rece…
/r/seduction16/05/18 08:20 PM
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Next time, you should try some indirect openers and see if you get more positive/enthusiastic reactions. Are opinion openers and observational openers (such as I used in some of them sets) not 'indirect'? cheers
/r/seduction16/05/18 08:17 PM
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true. it's nothing like the US which is why lots of game advice doesn't seem relevant in the UK. My only tips is LOTS of statements of empathy ("I know this is super weird!! I'm not crazy or anything. I know you're freaking out lol" kind of thing. Almost necessary with nightgame too in fact! If you just open a girl and are like 'Hey! What's up' even with good sub communications, she'll still look at you like ''Who the fuck are you? What do you want?!!'' kind of thing lol)
/r/seduction15/05/18 05:10 PM
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We have these discussions all the time. Brit guy comes on saying UK girls are impossible to open. Americans come back and say they must just be doing something wrong lol. (but yes, UK girls are basically just about social circle and think it's weird to be opened by a random stranger lol)
/r/seduction15/05/18 04:55 PM
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Seddit101 : It doesn't matter what you say, it's how you say it ;)
/r/seduction09/05/18 10:39 PM
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unless again they are my absolute dream man and their looks surpass their creepy vibes Yeah,as you say, you honestly need to be handsome as hell, like Ryan Goslin or a young Tom Welling to bang girls from cold approaching in the daytime otherwise it's 'creepy'.
/r/seduction09/05/18 09:29 PM
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You pretty much nailed it though, with your first sentence. That's about all you need I think that's probably true (one can get laid from just being a fun, happy dude), but at the same time, I just feel as though that doesn't really qualify as 'game' and it certainly doesn't' qualify as 'seduction'. I feel as though that sounds more like 'numbers game' and that a genuine seduction expert / casanova type dude, would be like 90% likely to be able to get 'that hot girl who works at the library', an…
/r/seduction09/05/18 05:53 PM
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I sort of feel like most 'game' in general isn't really 'seduction'. Most infields seem to be a decent looking guy who the girl is already somewhat attracted too the second they make eye contact. From there on, he is basically 'normal' (in fact, lots of people now say 'game' is the skill of 'Remaining to being normal when talking too a hot girl''). He will of course escalate, and then he has sex. When I show an infield to someone who's never heard of game, he's baffled as to why it's supposed to…
/r/seduction09/05/18 05:46 PM
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Tyler was going to the same places 100s of puas were going using the exact same routine lol true. I guess that on a wider scale, he realised the potential issues of relying on canned game and routines etc. ts important to make everything seem natural when you are doing any kind of routine. Absolutely. I think part of my problem was that i'm just a very different person to mystery and lots of the PUA dudes, and almost everything they used made me feel super weird since it sounded bad to my ears, …
/r/seduction09/05/18 05:13 PM
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i've actually read it a long time ago. For me personally, it didn't work. Girls would tend to think you were a bit of a performer and everything seemed a bit cheesy, but I think it could depend on where you live. I'm in Europe. I think it could work better with American girls. UK girls are like ''Oh my God, is this your pickup strategy!!?'' and it was always awkward. Worst part for me in fact, was the reaction from friends! lol They'd find it super weird when i'd keep trying best friends tests a…
/r/seduction09/05/18 02:32 PM
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This is why someone as ugly looking as "mathew mc connaghey" You've made me feel awful if you think he's ugly!! I'm never gonna show you a pic of me!! haha.
/r/seduction09/05/18 02:08 PM
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All of those guys u named are still using Mysteries math I'm not sure that they are, tbh. I mean Tyler himself said ''Generally speaking I try to avoid all things that are used in The Pickup Artist or The Game (referring to false time constraints, opinion openers etc)'' I mean, if you watch most RSD infields, it's just like a normal dude talking too a hot girl most of the time. ''Hey, who are you? I'm Julien. How old are you? What do you do?! bla bla bla'' It's why I guess 'game' is quite a conf…
/r/seduction09/05/18 01:27 PM
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but wouldn't he look a bit odd if he started using palm reading and opinion openers and braggy DHV stories on a girl who he sees in class? Mysterymethod is largely considered antiquated and cringey from what I gather nowadays? It's all 'natural game' now like RSD and such. Basically approaching girls and being 'normal' so no routines/palm reading etc
/r/seduction09/05/18 12:44 PM
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thanks. I'll definitely try to practice making statements about whatever is it that I see around me and stuff, even if it makes me sound autistic. (''so, what do you think about this bar stool?!'' kind of thing) At least now I have an IDEA of what to say so thanks for that And yes, I agree that Max is handsome as fuck. I've always said that. Some of the pulls in 'the natural' are literally girls pouncing on him and opening him lol. And Julien is fairly good looking plus very tall. I've always kn…
/r/seduction07/05/18 09:06 PM
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I don't think Julien got her number :( The line was something like 'pretend it's Christmas morning' - I used the exact line on a girl who was ignoring me after watching that infield before leaving the house lol
/r/seduction07/05/18 08:07 PM
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I meant mainly Julien (I have all 3 of his 'products' and he actually teaches to open and then ask name, age, who are you with, etc) but also Max in lots of his infields, too. (his are often like ''Hi, I'm Max!! / Who are you? / How old are you? / Are you a waitress??'') So, make statements instead of ask questions. About anything in particular? Is there no kind of 'pattern' at all that you tend to follow? Any recent examples from your own approaches?
/r/seduction07/05/18 07:36 PM
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women have sex with friends All I read here is that it's impossible to get out of the friendzone.
/r/seduction07/05/18 06:27 PM
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examples of better questions please? I'm just doing what I see in RSD infields tbh. They always ask name/age/job etc after opening. What do you say and talk about after you open? (please give examples so that I can use them tomorrow night) PS - Reminds me of this thread lol: https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/8he9sk/making_it_interesting_after_the_open/
/r/seduction07/05/18 06:16 PM
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Obviously i'd rather the latter, but getting girls to hook is not seemingly anything i have control over. As seddit says, they are either into you or they aren't. I stay in each set until I feel like I haven't got a shot or until they leave, so I don't see how approaching less is the answer?
/r/seduction07/05/18 02:12 PM
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2000 seems a little high lol Weird. It's only like 20 girls per night that i'm out, and half of them 20 approaches are dancefloor approaches which are typically 2 second interactions, so it's not hard lol I only go out like 2 nights per week. I imagine some guys make 30+appraoches and go out at least 3 days/nights per week, so would be a lot more than mine
/r/seduction07/05/18 02:05 PM
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Over the course of a whole year!? Is it really that much? And you mean like uglier girls? Or older? Personally, i'd rather get the girls I actually want or just go completely without to be honest. If you mean waiting for girls who are looking at me, smiling from across the room etc, well that never happens unfortunately
/r/seduction07/05/18 01:57 PM
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Roughly, yes. over the whole year. out twice per week and making maybe 20 approches per night (including dancefloor approaches) 52 weeks in a year?
/r/seduction07/05/18 01:07 PM
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lol, i've seen this question asked over 40 (FORTY) times, I shit you not!
/r/seduction06/05/18 08:59 PM
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Yeah, it's an interesting one. I love this sub but I don't think even the mods believe in 'seduction' in the original sense of the word which is frustrating for guys like you who want to dig deeper I guess I realised within about 6 months that there were pieces missing. I understood that 'hitting on girls' isn't really seduction. And that there isn't much of a corellation between 'having a good, successful life' etc and getting girls. I know lots of 'successful' people are are basically 'incel' …
/r/seduction06/05/18 12:20 PM
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3 times?!! Haha. I've seen this post about 40 times and i'm NOT even joking. Literally 40 odd times. I can't be the only one. I bet the Mods have seen it even more!!
/r/seduction06/05/18 10:05 AM
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Mark isn't really about 'seduction' though, is he? Imagine using Marks 'methods' on your hot babysitter. What do you do? Just tell her she's hot. Be vulnerable and direct. But I don't see how that's 'seduction'. It's not SEDUCING her, is it? She'll likely say 'no thanks, not interested' and then you're done. There was no 'seduction' taking place For game to be game, I feel as though there needs to be things that you do and say that make her fall for you, and I don't see Mark doing any of that. I…
/r/seduction06/05/18 08:41 AM
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what's a 'good' opener? And what do you transition into after the opener in night game? (what things do you say/ask/talk about etc) I almost NEVER reach the hook point or have interactions that last longer than a minute or so.
/r/seduction05/05/18 02:05 PM
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I find there to be a huge difference although it seems that lots of people refuse to believe it ''women are the same everywhere, bro!'' kind of thing. And yes, I think most people here are from the US I only really have experience of the US and the UK having spent time in both countries. US is so so SO much easier to get the girl to talk back and ask questions etc (the hook point) compared to the UK And it's not even just cold approach. You notice it evrywhere. strangers chatting and making smal…
/r/seduction05/05/18 01:46 PM
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Happens to me lots too. It's odd
/r/seduction05/05/18 12:15 PM
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Unless you've got some amazing high status job, I don't think girls care whether you have a job or not in terms of just hooking up (which I gather is what he's looking for) Plus he can always lie! I've actually read quite a few times from PUA's that they never got laid more than when they were unemployed in fact, lol (could be to do with having time to approach more though) I don't equate 'having a life' with work personally. I'm sure we'd all quit our jobs if we could!!
/r/seduction04/05/18 11:27 AM
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this lol
/r/seduction04/05/18 10:03 AM
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Is this groundhog day?
/r/seduction04/05/18 09:55 AM
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Yeah, some nights I give up after 2 rejections, but some nights when I feel brave, I can get rejected like 30 times lol. Just never seem to find the 'yes' girls, unfortunately! Gotta try to bump up my numbers!! cheers
/r/seduction03/05/18 04:47 PM
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Let me know if you find the secret!! :) You post FR's here? And you do nightgame or daygame?
/r/seduction03/05/18 08:54 AM
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This is what confuses me when people say 'Just lean game, bro!!'' as if there is something that actually takes 'learning' lol. Like, everyone here is saying BoomHauer is running good game here, but this can be 'learnt' by a 6 year old in about 12 seconds lol.
/r/seduction03/05/18 08:32 AM
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Dudes who are intermediate don’t get blown out 15 times a night. lol, of course they do! Obviously if you are really good looking then you won't, but if none of the girls are into your looks at all, then no amount of 'game' is gonna change their mind and make then wanna bang you
/r/seduction29/04/18 07:51 PM
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I was about to post a VERY similar thread to this! With me, sometimes i'll think of openers, or i'll see one in an infield, and i'll write it down with the intention of using it. Then I have like 30 of them swimming around in my head and it's like information overload where, in the moment, I actually fail to remember ANY of them THEN what happens is, I open with what NATURALLY comes to my brain in the moment which is always just like ''Hey, what's up?!'' kind of thing (which gets me a confused l…
/r/seduction27/04/18 03:19 PM
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sounds like you're good at getting laid, though. In for tips!! (you better not be yet another handsome dude, or i'm gonna slit my wrists!! :))
/r/seduction27/04/18 10:26 AM
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agreed! I noticed this myself. It's like the mysterymodel needs to be adapted for UK girls. Some of the routines and openers etc that he uses to open a girl make you look autistic over here, HOWEVER, use them after the hook, and they really can help create some value But then the problem is actually opening and hooking girls in the first place in bars!! It can be so tough.
/r/seduction26/04/18 03:36 PM
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basically mysterymethod. (false time constraint, opinion opener, don't show interest in them for fear of giving power away etc) Thing is, over the years, so many PUA's have realised that there's a million ways to skin a cat. None of his rules are necessary at all, seemingly. i personally find it a bit awkward to open with a false time constraint and then go into an opinion opener. Maybe it's kind of a cultural thing. I'm in England. Everything about that feels a bit weird to me, personally. I ha…
/r/seduction26/04/18 03:23 PM
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Apparently this is how Tusk opens in bars and clubs and it works for him (although he's a very handsome guy, so kinda makes sense) For me personally, It's been a bad opener. ''Thanks but no thanks'' kind of reply I feel as though opening so direct is more suited to daygame due to the shock factor and that it shows more confidence in the day time (although it will still only 'work' if she thinks you are hot) In bars, going so direct kind of might come across as cheesy, and pickupy, and can get he…
/r/seduction26/04/18 08:19 AM
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hot body/hot face, i'd imagine. Same as every dude in the world lol
/r/seduction25/04/18 09:49 PM
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What sort of things does that mean saying? i.e - With that in mind, how do I open and transition? Ask her what she has going for herself other than her looks on the open maybe?
/r/seduction25/04/18 08:49 PM
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how can someone be 'good at game', though? I mean, if you read seddit, the advice is always ''what you say doesn't matter. Get a good lifestyle going with lots of hobbies and a job you love and let the girls will all want you'' kind of thing. Based on that, it's hard to think of game as a 'skill' if you see what I mean. And then if you add in the fact that those who like to discuss 'outer game' disagree on every single element, Again, the conclusion being that there are no rules ; thus no such t…
/r/seduction25/04/18 08:15 PM
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do the words really not matter at all? When people post FR's here, everyone always comments about how they asked boring questions and bored the girl or whatever as a way to explain their failure. ''Never ask a girl what she does!'' ''Don't ask her her name, or her plans for the night!!'' etc. So being 'confident' and 'charming' is all in my body language and stuff? I tend to just say 'hi', ask them stuff about themselves or make comments on what I notice about them or what they are wearing or wh…
/r/seduction25/04/18 11:01 AM
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to be fair, he could post a picture of quasimodo and people would say ''No, you're fine! It's your confidence''. lol Seddit is kinda blue pilled to the extreme when it comes to this stuff
/r/seduction25/04/18 09:04 AM
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easy!!? in for tips, lol. I get rejected by like 20 hot young girls per night and i'm nearly as old as the OP! What do you say to them? They seem to all hook up with handsome dudes their own age who they know from social circle every single time.
/r/seduction25/04/18 08:49 AM
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Are you getting good results from this? :)
/r/seduction24/04/18 05:41 PM
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he doesn't pull one of them actually :( (though I wish he did lol) I have that product. He pulls a random girl who had been checking him out the whole time at a different part of the bar
/r/seduction24/04/18 07:37 AM
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How did those "great lines" work for you? ;) lol, well in that case, as has been said to me in this thread, literally nothing could have turned that particular girl since she wasn't at all into me. I know you might think it's phony, but i'm sure Julien uses that method for a reason, and it's 'worked' for him and been field tested to death PS - regarding 'looks', I tend to think you'r born with them or you aren't. Things like facial aaesthetics are the most important and can't be changed
/r/seduction24/04/18 07:28 AM
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thanks for feedback, although like I said, they were Juliens lines, and he's supposed to be one of the best in the world, so I think it was likely very good game as opposed to terrible game lol And yeah, I agree being very good looking would be a game changer, although seddit is very much against discussing 'looks' etc as they say it's irrelevant, so I won't touch that out of respect for the forum. cheers
/r/seduction24/04/18 07:12 AM
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so what do you ask/say when you first open girls in bars? What 'non boring' stuff? cheers
/r/seduction23/04/18 09:11 PM
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with a few teases or light banter/throwing questions her way do you make the teases up on the spot? What are they about? Or are they canned? And just the regular questions? I feel like I need to be saying more interesting things to not bore them, but not sure what A girl that is into you will make it EASY for you. True, but sometimes you see a girl who is your physical 'ideal' that ISN'T' into you, and then think ''Well, I've read game books. I should be able to MAKE her into me, dammit!!''
/r/seduction23/04/18 09:07 PM
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thanks for the replies
/r/seduction23/04/18 11:56 AM
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lol
/r/seduction23/04/18 08:42 AM
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2 boxes in 2 hours? You like to use a fresh condom for each stroke? I like your style! In fairness, if I was rich, i'd wear a brand new pair of socks each day...
/r/seduction23/04/18 08:40 AM
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I never know. Sometimes girls are bumping me and stuff continuously, and I think ''Hmm...maybe that's an IOI?'' and so I try to open her or dance with her or whatever, and she just looks at me like a homeless dude and turns her back to me lol. So I guess the answer is 'sometimes' but that it can't be relied upon
/r/seduction22/04/18 10:40 PM
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Ah those 2 minute hour long convos. lol. Yeah, they're rough. I had an almost IDENTICAL experience as this one, but with 2 GORGEOUS Russian girls recently. Like pulling teeth. Not talking back. Just looking around the bar or almost looking 'through you' hoping that you'll go away soon so that they can talk too a handsome dude! lol
/r/seduction22/04/18 06:25 PM
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I asked her some questions about herself
/r/seduction22/04/18 01:51 PM
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Some would argue Mansons direct model is basically 'hitting on girls' instead of 'running game'. You're making her say 'yes' or 'no' straight away which won't tend to work well if you don't look like Ryan Goslin But then, the more I read, the more I see that every PUA disagrees with each other on every possible element of game to the point that it's almost not worth worrying about it, as if various coaches are doing everything DRASTICALLY different too each other and still getting amazing succes…
/r/seduction21/04/18 04:15 PM
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still feel “abnormal” compared to people I see who never had to learn pick up and seem to be naturally good. Have them guys really banged more girls than you? Find that hard to believe. The national average is like 6 girls apparently lol. You're surely 'better' than them now, no? (despite you having to learn and them being naturals) most of my game had been just direct Are you very good looking to have been so successful from direct game out of interest? (that's the general thought with direct g…
/r/seduction20/04/18 10:37 PM
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Then her HB9 brunette friend sat beside me and started making out with me Some super hot girl just came up to you and started making out with you? Did she literally just pounce on you? If this is a true story, i'm guessing you are hella handsome!
/r/seduction20/04/18 08:37 PM
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5 lays from approaching 100 girls sounds like God-level game tbh! Pretty sure Tom Torerro made a video about stats, and I don't think his stats were as good as that!!
/r/seduction20/04/18 08:19 PM
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Agreed! Obviously!! haha. I always smell delightful (in fact, i'm a bit oF a cologne addict and have an awesome collection of top fragrances) and dress well (in terms of what's fashionable where I live)
/r/seduction20/04/18 07:58 PM
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Yeah, to be honest, I lie in most of my sets anyway lol. I pulled a girl last year who I KNOW only goes for guys with fancy jobs (which I don't have) and so I lied and told her I was an executive at Nestle! haha. I ended up banging her and I know for a fact that if i'd have told her the truth, i'd never have got her. But half of the battle was already won in that instance since she was one of the rare girls who thought I was good looking! (odd looking Piccasso face over here!! haha). I've never …
/r/seduction20/04/18 07:50 PM
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Do you not think that in terms of bait, a handsome face is the main thing? I mean, take having an amazing life with a mansion and a Ferrari and sky-diving hobbies etc - she wouldn't know that from just looking at you. Or, to look at it from another angle, one could just lie about them things if his goal is a one night stand with a stunner? And then there's the handsome dudes who've never had a job going out with models and stuff lol. I always wonder how that happens tbh
/r/seduction20/04/18 07:22 PM
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I tend to believe more in the Mark Manson idea. She's either into you or she's not, and there's not much you can do about it. She typically decides before you've even said 'hi' in my experience
/r/seduction20/04/18 07:04 PM
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At least you're able to get them in the first place if they are 'dumping' you. So you kind of make them your girlfriends? (albeit briefly) That should at least give hope to the guys who think you need a rockstar lifestyle to just get laid for a one night stand lol
/r/seduction20/04/18 06:49 PM
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yeah, I was only playing. 'Problem' is the wrong word, but it's naturally frustrating when every super stunning hot girl you approach isn't into you, lol. Life goes on, I guess
/r/seduction20/04/18 06:33 PM
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problem is when them girls don't wanna bang you back! haha
/r/seduction20/04/18 05:38 PM
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The dream when I discovered 'game' like 2 years ago was to be able to have a good shot at any stunning girl I see! Certainy NOT turned out like that unfortunately! Game isn't the black magic/jedi mind trick that they'd have you believe! lol Fun trying at times, though
/r/seduction20/04/18 03:25 PM
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I hear JMULV uses hookers to get his 'lay count' but what evs. Who really knows anything about all these PUA's
/r/seduction20/04/18 03:23 PM
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My pet peeve is that the people who say 'what you say doesn't matter' are the same people who tell people in their Field Reports where they 'went wrong' with things like ''No, you never compliment a girl!'', ''No, Don't ask a girl if she wants to go too a different bar, Tell her!'', ''No! talking about sex so early into a date will creep her out!'' , ''No, you never ask a girl her name/age etc that early into a conversation'' etc etc. None of that should matter if 'what you say doesn't matter'
/r/seduction19/04/18 10:29 PM
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thanks - I just find the whole direct/indirect thing really interesting, so I'm always asking apparently knowledgeable people their thoughts. I'm a bit obsessed! Both sides are fairly dogmatic and as a relative newbie (although not a total newbie) it's kind of frustrating to read a huge post about why direct game is vastly superior, coming away feeling like our head is clearer, and then reading a post from an indirect guy who also writes with utter conviction! lol Most of the 'experts' on seddit…
/r/seduction19/04/18 09:22 PM
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It's nice to see some concrete advice instead of the usual "be confident, approach, what you say isn't important, etc." lol, so true. Couldn't put it better myself. I've seen RSD students kill it when they have Tyler in their ear telling them what to say, and when they are 'on their own' they bomb. What you say CERTAINLY matters! I mean, would there even need to be books and courses if what you said didn't matter? lol. passing shit tests, using push pull, teasing and basically every other aspect…
/r/seduction19/04/18 08:43 PM
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What do you think about the whole ''bla bla, i'm just kidding I thought you were cute'' (indirect--direct) thing out of interest? (from what I gather you're a mysterymethod dude where this would be considered very bad game)
/r/seduction19/04/18 08:40 PM
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What 'one little thing' are you referring too? I think you're saying the lack of fear on the approach due to exposure therapy? It isn't clear to me. Congratz either way, although I don't think it's as simple as that for lots of guys lol. If you aren't her type physically or whatever, not matter how calm and relaxed you are, you won't be getting her in bed
/r/seduction18/04/18 10:48 PM
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thanks.
/r/seduction18/04/18 10:00 PM
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So you basically run mysterymethod type game? I know that Julien says to open the girl you want as opposed to the group, like MM. Everyone has different advice, it seems. If they are somewhat engaged in the conversation and the girl I want isn't like stranded on the outskirts, then my instincts are certainly to open the group though, personally. I always feel a bit false using opinion openers adn trying to force in a DHV story etc, and I know that lots of modern game looks down and laughs at tha…
/r/seduction18/04/18 09:59 PM
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If you matched with a 10, then you're handsome as hell. You'll be fine!
/r/seduction18/04/18 06:55 PM
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Assuming this is real, I think it's simply a matter of girls basically NEVER approach guys to hit on them (especially in the street), and as a result, the guys simply thinks that you are maybe trying to sell him something at best, or like a pick-pocket him or something! It's too far out of their reality. It just seems suspicious to them. If you did this in a bar though, I imagine your success rate would SHOOT up since it doesn't seem 'quite' as weird since it's a 'social setting' but I mean, eve…
/r/seduction18/04/18 06:41 PM
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Me too! You kind of get used to it. Numb to rejection is the goal I'm about 14 months in, and it's rejection, rejecton, rejection, lol Just gotta find them 'yes girls'!!
/r/seduction11/04/18 04:26 PM
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cliff notes? Is he just paying girls for sex and using actresses? Or did he really cold approach and bang some hot teen vrgins with his 'game' from cold approach?
/r/seduction11/04/18 08:05 AM
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is it best to 'call them out' in some way if they are doing that classic thing of giving you the shortest replies possible, looking bored or giving you the body language that makes you think they want you to leave? I'm yet to find a solution to this very common reaction with girls at night in UK bars.
/r/seduction10/04/18 11:31 PM
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what does your open and teh first 2-3 minutes tend to look like, out of interest?
/r/seduction04/04/18 12:24 PM
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Good looks give you instant heavy attraction, tbh. Lots of my handsome friends pull regularly with absolutely zero 'game'
/r/seduction04/04/18 09:11 AM
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34 and I tend to only go for teenagers, and i've had some success the last year or 2.
/r/seduction04/04/18 09:03 AM
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I've tried this pick-up line as a opener and it worked like a magic! 9 out 10 responded well Are we supposed to guess what the line is?
/r/seduction03/04/18 03:03 PM
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what city? And how old are you?
/r/seduction02/04/18 09:59 PM
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quite interesting actually, but I tend to find that the sorts of girls who are going out on like, a Tuesday or a Sunday, often seem to be the sorts of girls who are more open to being picked up.
/r/seduction02/04/18 12:52 PM
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Probably opening and reaching the 'social hook point'. It's just seems next too impossible with a HUGE percentage of hot young girls if you don't fit their physical preference So many instant rejections at worst, or at best, girls who are trying their hardest to give you NOTHING to work with in the hope that you'll leave them alone to get on with their night lol
/r/seduction01/04/18 08:04 PM
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Looks play a massive role, but if you can just keep going, try to have fun with it and not let it get you down when a girl just rudely dismisses you (not easy, I know!) you'll very likely get some results at some point. I get almost ZERO tinder matches. Like none. Maybe once per month if i'm lucky. So i'm obviously on the ugly side, but I HAVE hooked up with 1 or 2 girls from cold approach who are so far out of my league (looks wise) it's not even funny. I actually try to constantly remind mysel…
/r/seduction01/04/18 01:56 PM
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I 'm going to predict that you'll get numbers maybe even dates, and then bomb them when you meet them in real life. Not necessarily, tbh! I'm going back a few years, but my mate was crap with tinder and girls, and he gave his account to another friend who was always getting laid, and because this guys text game was good and he was able chat girls up well on text and also able to screen DTF girls, he was able to basically arrange 'sex dates' for my friend so that it was impossible for him to mess…
/r/seduction31/03/18 10:14 AM
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I just used lines from julien verbatim lol. What lines lol? And why use lines if what you say doesn't matter and it's just about being 'in state' or whatever?
/r/seduction30/03/18 02:11 PM
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that is certainly my instincts too, although I KEEP hearing things about how people are getting laid with random hotties on facebook and instagram after messaging them, and I can't for the life of me work out how they do it, lol I tried a few times after I kept hearing stories like this, but unsurprisingly got ignored every time! Maybe it's just another one of those things that only works for very handsome guys. I dunno
/r/seduction29/03/18 12:46 PM
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I've been in a dry spell since Sunday... LOL! Don't know why you got voted down. That was funny :)
/r/seduction29/03/18 11:20 AM
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I get bored super easy, even if she's hot. There's something magical about new pussy!
/r/seduction29/03/18 10:12 AM
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2 lucky cold approach SNL's so far that both happened early in the year, but just constant rejection since then. Hoping to get another lay before the end of the year. Fingers crossed!! Not worth comparing yourself to other people though ; Some guys will be getting laid every night with different girls, but if you saw them, it'd probably be obvious why, lol. It's gonna be a different struggle for different people based largely on your looks and your location Ugly looking dude living in a small to…
/r/seduction29/03/18 10:07 AM
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Ok, I was basically being a dick, because that seems to always be the annoying seddit reply for when people are asking for what to say in various situations with girls (''Bro! What you say doesn't matter, it's how you say it!!!'') Sounds like typical girly shit. Kind of a shit test. She wants you to fawn over her. IN fact, that's what she THINKS she wants (she'd get bored quick if you gave it to her!) What she actually wants (and doesn't know it) is emotional spikes and drama which you kind of g…
/r/seduction28/03/18 08:55 PM
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What you say doesn't matter - Seddit101
/r/seduction28/03/18 04:11 PM
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So true. I know so many unemployed people who live in their mums basement and really do NOT have their shit figured out who are often getting laid with cute girls. I also know 'successful' people who have good jobs and all that jazz who can't get laid for shit! (my own brother for one!) We need to speak about this¬¬ lol Why does this seems to be the case so often if all of this 'inner game/get your life on track' stuff is so important?!!!
/r/seduction28/03/18 08:04 AM
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lol, I know, right!! I swear genetics are amazing. I'm fairly slim, but i'm well aware that if I eat much more than like 1400 calories, i'm playing with fire. Tehcnically according to various online calculators, I should be eating like 1900 calories to 'maintain' , but if I done that, I would look like John Candy in a matter of months! haaa My nephew actually has a rippling 6-pack and he must eat about 2500+ calories per day, mainly in the form of nutella on toast and pizza!! His mum is similar.…
/r/seduction28/03/18 07:46 AM
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he has the much bigger advantage of being tall and handsome lol
/r/seduction27/03/18 10:11 PM
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every PUA seems to use the same lines again and again. I think 'what you say' is actually pretty much all that matters!
/r/seduction27/03/18 10:05 PM
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lol, this is me. Whenever I pull, I WISH that I was wearing a microphone so that I know exactly what I said and how I made it happen!
/r/seduction27/03/18 10:04 PM
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age Joe depending on luck. The "routine" are really really important (as long as you are confident). ABC is another important thing 5/10? You kidding. I've seen Juan get numbers from some teen stunners!!
/r/seduction27/03/18 10:03 PM
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You're POINT NUMBER ONE is not one that I disagree with, but it's something that a large part of the industry disagree with. Especially old school gamers Many would say that the whole POINT of game is to MAKE her attracted to you! You are saying that she needs to think you are good looking before you have a shot with her. Again, not something i disagree with, but i'd like to see more discussion on this u/WIA20XX u/TheXXL u/GameAndGains u/plowdezong
/r/seduction27/03/18 09:31 PM
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I have something slightly similar in that, in the VERY rare event where a hot girl expresses interest in me BEFORE I have shown any first, I tend to get very aloof! I become boring, don't know what to talk about etc etc I think in my case it's a form of compensating as I feel unworthy and like I need to "compensate" by acting TOO aloof in a way that's unnatural I can literally feel myself getting super detached and withdrawn. Definitely some sort of inner game issue. Doesn't seem to happen when …
/r/seduction27/03/18 10:32 AM
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I guess. Although to be honest I still struggle lots depending on the vibe/how into me the girl seems, and i've made about 800 approaches
/r/seduction27/03/18 09:13 AM
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It's not as though i'm some sort of stud, but I think I banged 12 girls last year all from cold approach, and i've nevr gotten CLOSE to getting a meetup from online, and basically get about 1 match per 2 months on tinder using up all my swipes each day! So yes lol Basically, i'm assuming it means that i'm a bit ugly but not HIDEOUS, I guess. So online is dead for me, but in person I can ocassionally just about meet her benchmark of 'just about fuckable' and then if I can 'charm' her from then, I…
/r/seduction27/03/18 08:40 AM
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touching girls is easy, but touching their ass/stomach/upper thigh etc (something sexual) is hard for most. LIke, you're in a bar and you make a funny joke and touch her arm = easy You're now talking about how your friend is from Spain and you try to 'move up' the ladder and touch her ass mid sentence = possibly awkward lol But it's ALL easy if they are throwing mazzive IOI's because then you know you can just 'go for it' and likely won't completely freak her out. But yeah, some girls hate being…
/r/seduction27/03/18 08:35 AM
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lol, is this real life?
/r/seduction26/03/18 08:08 PM
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Assuming i'm understanding you right, I agree that it can seem super hard to do it in a smooth way. Like, 'incidental touch' etc is all fine. Like starting with a high 5 or whatever, and then Touching her on the arm to make a point etc. Fine. (however, I actually got kino rejected for brushing a girls arm to emphasise a point for the 1st time in my life last night, but that's another story!) But the problem is that there is always gonna be a massive 'jump' as soon as you touch her somewhere that…
/r/seduction26/03/18 07:50 PM
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I think it's partly semantics. People like Tyler and Max and Julien of RSD claim to use 'natural game' but anyone who's seen their products and all of their infields will have heard the same same lines, routines etc again and again. So it's still 'canned' in a way. They say the same things at certain points or to certain things the girls says because they know from experience that it's likely to get a good reaction. To be honest, if I didn't have such a shit memory, I think my game would be load…
/r/seduction25/03/18 07:13 PM
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it is true that I have good facial features That's much more important than anything else like height etc to be honest in my experience when it comes to girls wanting you. My biggest slayer friend is only about your height but he has legit male model good looks and gets laid at the click of a finger lol keep it up
/r/seduction23/03/18 07:05 PM
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Some pickup coaches will say this is exactly what you should be doing, and some will say that it's the absolute epitome of 'bad game' That's the pickup industry for ya! I guess the answer is to experiment with different stuff and see what works for you personally
/r/seduction23/03/18 05:04 PM
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in for tips on getting girls in the first place! (Although it sounds like it's just a matter of being good looking in your case, given your tinder success so nothing that you can actually help someone with lol) Maybe meet girls in a different place would increase your chances of finding an actual relationship?
/r/seduction23/03/18 08:33 AM
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I wonder who's got the best game out of him and Russell Brand? I think Brand because I have heard from reliable sources that even when he was a broke junkie, he got a hell of a lot of ass. Like, even when he was basically homeless, he was banging some hot surgeon who let him live in her house (shows you don't need money and a job!) and it only ended because he started cheating on her. I remember his co-host (matt morgan) talking about how he used to get Russell to game girls for him over the pho…
/r/seduction22/03/18 08:00 PM
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gay porn only, dude!
/r/seduction22/03/18 04:34 PM
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I spend so long thinking about this stuff (showing intent/kino etc), and about prior interactions where I either fucked up, or I succeeded in getting laid, and try to think about 'why' it went good or bad. (i'm talking about interactions where I'm pretty certain I have attraction) There's always 4 or 5 interactions from nights out that either went well or didn't, that are basically always in my mind! I can't find peace until I can relive the interactions in my head, knowing exactly how I should …
/r/seduction22/03/18 03:52 PM
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I'm decent looking, 6'4 In night clubs I normally have several girls approach me, which often leads to a ONS without us saying 2 sentences to eachother, and this sometimes leads to a regular fuck buddy situation. This makes me RAGE!! I'm very jealous. Nothing like this has ever happened to me in 30 years lol
/r/seduction22/03/18 12:12 PM
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Since it sounds like you're into mysterymethod/old school game do you personally tend to not show 'intent' - or at least you don't tell her you want her or that she's hot etc. Even after she's shown her attraction? I have a few 'natural' friends who tend to open indirectly, but I often hear them say flirty/forward things to girls such as ''bla bla bla, but maybe i'm only saying that because i'm trying to get in your pants''(blatantly showing their hand?) OR ''I was just totally checking you out'…
/r/seduction21/03/18 11:49 PM
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Never mind Mark Manson as i've never seen him approach, but what about James Tusk and Aaron from EvolutionDaily and so many other PUA's who are super direct though? I'm not really sure there are even 'rules' about this stuff, and it seems to be more a matter of 'what works for YOU'. Lots of people seem to make direct work. Some people are SUPER direct - I'm talking about PUA's who use 'shock and awe' game. I'm assuming you've heard of it. Why does THAT work so well for some people? And for the r…
/r/seduction21/03/18 11:06 PM
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