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Fundamentals Independent-Bad218/r/seduction10/05/26 11:44 AM
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Fundamentals Independent-Bad218/r/seduction13/05/26 03:51 PM
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Fundamentals Independent-Bad218/r/seduction04/06/26 02:05 PM
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Fundamentals Independent-Bad218/r/seduction07/05/26 04:20 AM
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Fundamentals Independent-Bad218/r/seduction16/07/26 04:52 PM
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Fundamentals Independent-Bad218/r/seduction09/07/26 04:19 PM
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From your starting point… yes. That is the truth. I was similar to you and here are my early stats. Some people might have it easier but arguably those people already were getting some girls, and it was about maximising results. When starting from getting no girls to getting any girl… that is an entirely different discussion. Because answer it for yourself. You cannot make any conversation, but infield you will have to push past those 30 seconds. You will still freeze and be directionless, but y…
/r/seduction27/07/26 04:36 PM
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Here is a primer for you. But remember it is never words alone. You need to pass an (hers) attraction threshold for her to give you a chance to even talk to her. Then conversation can amplify your value and give the whole thing direction
/r/seduction27/07/26 04:16 PM
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Both work, albeit solo needs more practice and feels a bit unatural in nightgame. For Daygame, solo is your bread and butter. The thing with Wings, is that most of them will fall off fast and it will take a while to find a trustworthy guy. Women are invaluable as companions as they can give you pre-selection and social proof. However.... women never come for "free". To keep them going out with you, you need to make sure they are having a good time. So you need to provide (entertaining) value to …
/r/seduction26/07/26 01:59 PM
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Frame control (how to handle relationships and women) and charisma are two totally different things. What you need is the former, and you dont get there by changing or dumping down the later.
/r/seduction24/07/26 10:28 AM
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There are many more myths. But that is what this sub is for ;) However, keep in mind that the upper tier of women usually wont be up for a quick 2 hour lay. Usually will need a few dates, but still not as extreme as the one you refer to.
/r/seduction22/07/26 03:40 PM
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I dont understand your idea here. The whole of seduction is a “pattern interrupt” because the very act of an approach (even more for a direct one) is something far out of the ordinary. Flirting is by definition out of ordinary and so is “attraction”. Your question is akin to asking, “tell me your cold approach experience”
/r/seduction21/07/26 06:06 PM
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Yes. Priming priming priming. The a priori signal is business setting, not flirt
/r/seduction21/07/26 09:53 AM
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It is girl dependent, you cant force it. But it happens, and it happens more as you become better. Here is a guide, but the main idea is stripping the fluff of seduction into basic steps. If you get compliance you keep going.
/r/seduction20/07/26 03:40 PM
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You have most of it. Deep character change (ID in Jungian terms) is possible, however, most people won't really need to go that deep unless starting from a very bad point. Regardless, to become advanced at Game, at some point you will have to accept your ID, no matter what it is. Emotional thinking is much much stronger than the more (evolutionary) recent logical/verbal thinking.
/r/seduction19/07/26 06:13 PM
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First you need more approaches: 5 in the past few weeks are not enough to even get a date for the best of us. Your boyfriend rejections are just a statistical error at these numbers. Here is a guide for verbals, but your fundamental mistake here is your “social energy”. If you do direct game you need to have intent. Because otherwise you contradict yourself. Direct game is a delicate balance of push-pull after you raise the bar with the initial compliment. If you are just “social” then the compl…
/r/seduction19/07/26 11:41 AM
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Value is relative and context specific (or ie, in which group you are and what is your standing) - this is what you are alluding here. But this is true value in context, it is not “inflation”. If you truly fake your value you can get at most ONS out of it before the girl inevitably walks out.
/r/seduction16/07/26 06:04 PM
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You are thinking only in terms of nightgame and that skews your viewpoint. In nightgame (and specifically indirect game) you can create value out of thin air by managing and merging groups. But in other forms of game and specifically direct game, this is impossible. Hence, the value of this post. When the newbie goes out, does everything by the book and still gets blowout after blowout, try explain him what is wrong without this apparatus. Hence the value of this post.
/r/seduction16/07/26 05:06 PM
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It means broadly provides entertainment, but… out of interest. When you see a piece of art and you walk closer to have a second look. That is the type of feeling you want to invoke. Voluntary interest. What you dont want to invoke is the pushy salesman or attention seeking clown effect
/r/seduction15/07/26 06:34 PM
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You need to add value on the discussion. Framing it like this (give me a value judgement) can even intimidate them if they are shy. With indirect openers you need it either: - funny observation (surroundings) - gossip of the week - something relevant to her If you want to go direct, then you can: - make it specifically about her (cold guess) - an observation on her In short, indirect means middle ground between you and her (ie neutral), but still lean into girl friendly chatter and on her turf o…
/r/seduction15/07/26 02:12 PM
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Yeap, totally agree
/r/seduction14/07/26 05:55 PM
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It took me about 400 approaches for the first lay. Then by about 800 i had two lays total and multiple near misses. Then i took a break, something clicked and everything averaged out between 1/30 to 1/50 (open to lay) when i returned. These stats from angloshere countries exclusively
/r/seduction14/07/26 05:54 PM
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The skillset is possible, but the learning curve is very very steep. So many people expect to just get good at this without failing and practice
/r/seduction14/07/26 11:12 AM
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A kiss by itself means nothing. Aside of sex all other “signals” and milestones can be hit or miss and heavily reliant on culture. Given this, I would probably rely less on kissing and limit it only to a quick one for acknowledgment of interest. Then focus on the bounceback to home. This one might help.
/r/seduction12/07/26 03:59 PM
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Your obsession is not about theory, it is about overcommitting to girls and interactions (emotionally, that is). Dont confuse the two. Theory is there to give pointers to people who need them. Then improvement is a personal responsibility.
/r/seduction11/07/26 07:03 PM
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Btw Korea itself is a living hell for pick up, and i dont think being Korean makes things better. Koreans are getting a boost of reputation from their entertainment industry. And this gets old real fast because you dont want to be a living embodiment of a stereotype. I can attest to you that Sydney is very much Game-able and a very good place to cold approach. Regardless, the goal of self improvement is to control the things you can. As long as you cannot become Korean yourself (again that is no…
/r/seduction11/07/26 07:02 PM
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Here is a reading list i can vouch Actually beyond a basic cold approach system, the juice is on scientific knowledge that is applicable irl
/r/seduction11/07/26 04:38 PM
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Only you can know the answer, as you are your body. I am just making a strong point why it might not be the case you are referring. I remember i had AA to 11 in the beginning. But i plowed on essentially on sheer force of will.
/r/seduction10/07/26 07:21 PM
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No you are taking this too far. Approach Anxiety is universal, has it roots on self esteem and more importantly… never goes away. If you want to give more complicated reasons for your AA, you should fully explain the above first. Or better put, it is highly unlikely that the cause for you specifically is anything different than every other guy on earth.
/r/seduction10/07/26 07:04 PM
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This is common in nightgame, but be a little careful here: - An indirect cockblock is normal and common - What you describe is over the top, so maybe it is something on your approach that causes it if too often (uncalibrated behaviour?) Now, standard advice is to engage the group and in the beginning focus on the obstacle (the cockblock) and only after you gain the groups trust you are allowed to hit on the girl you like. I would even go one step further and say that you should only barely and i…
/r/seduction10/07/26 07:01 PM
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It is exactly what is needed here, because people trying to approach 10s and get all rejections to show for it wont improve. It points where people should start and build upwards. Remember, without positive experiences, people will never build up true confidence no matter how much they lie to themselves
/r/seduction09/07/26 04:58 PM
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I agree in principle, but a manufactured 10 will get the same attention as a 10, so practically it makes no difference regardless of ethics. And whether she will entertain your pick up attempt comes to the laws of supply and demand (of attention), hence a practical matter
/r/seduction09/07/26 04:57 PM
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it is inaccurate, but it doesn't mean it is useless. While we might disagree whether a Lambo should exactly be worth 200k, we can both agree that it is a better thing than a seat punto. Unless you are willing to drive it to the ground like your Sweeney example, the system does its job approximately
/r/seduction09/07/26 04:51 PM
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I have mentioned this at the end of the post. This is only true when the value differential is massive, so don't overblow it. For the vast, vast majority of men a rejection is a rejection at face value
/r/seduction09/07/26 04:42 PM
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Women face issues in maintaining relationships (or reframe it as not needing one). However, this is a big topic that can't be summarized here. However, i disagree with your point, even mediocre women have sexual access that overeaches their "value" by a mile. Depending on how easy are fast they are willing to make things happen
/r/seduction09/07/26 04:40 PM
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your true value always gets revealed eventually, and by doing this at most you can get a ONS before the whole thing collapses on itself. There is a world of difference between being Brad Pitt and pretending to be Brad Pitt while you work as a garbage man.
/r/seduction09/07/26 04:35 PM
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That is true for most texting strategies, for many reasons, primarily because frame control is easier in person. I would even go as far as to ask for the date within the first 2 texts. If you have an abundance of matches ask it from the get go (text 1). Because lets be honest, the noise in dating apps is so large that it is better to coinflip a date request early on than try to build anything meaningful pre-date. What do you have to text her for her to pay attention to you and not to the other 1…
/r/seduction09/07/26 03:21 PM
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Here is the inner game broken down. But the reality of things is that you must plow on for your first 100-200 approaches. Then you can slowly engage with what is called “Game”. Note that this is universal for everyone. Cold approaching is not “natural” human behaviour and perfect confidence also is not universal trait (probably non existant). And after you get over the hurdle of being present in the approach you have to engage with attraction and escalation. It is a harsh learning curve but well…
/r/seduction08/07/26 07:00 PM
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The book is decently good, but the main innovation is the breakdown of seduction into: Attraction Comfort Seduction You can skip the canned lines and some 2004 specific aspects, but the underlying structure is universal.
/r/seduction07/07/26 06:21 PM
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Striking up a “conversation” with a girl has nothing to do with striking up a conversation for fun. Especially if you direct Game (but even if you dont) the entire interaction revolves around her mate value to you and your mate value to her. She wont stick around because she likes the topic. She will stick around because she wants to flirt. What you are describing are textbook cases of approach anxiety, and rationalizations of it. I refer to a sample guide.
/r/seduction07/07/26 06:19 PM
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Because you a species homo sapiens and gossip/reputation etc. matter. You will get girls based on your value primarily and a bad name can tank it to zero. I am not telling you that you should care, dont care at all if you are in a big metropolis and engaging in cold approaches. But your statement is not universal and for all forms of game
/r/seduction06/07/26 04:44 PM
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I have done exactly this in a large metropolis in Europe. It went pretty well as far as learning goes. Here are the stats for reference If it is over a month you cannot camp a place without drawing attention/making a name. Just pick a daygame route and practice like that.
/r/seduction06/07/26 04:39 PM
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No, you should be mindful. This rule applies to cold approaches and as long as you are not doing enough to burn out the place: do 100 approaches in NY and that is a drop in the ocean, do 100 approaches in a little village and you are the talk of the town. In regards to social forms of Game, where you develop a tribe, you should be doubly concious of making things overt as it can blow up in your face. Actually the advice of top players is to let girls come to you in such settings
/r/seduction06/07/26 04:37 PM
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No, the rules are always the same: the fast the sex happens the more in your favour is the situation. Sustaining the relationship is all about frame control and not about how it started. Girls operate by feel on the moment mostly, so also forget "building something up".
/r/seduction06/07/26 01:35 PM
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It is serotonin crash. It is natural and unavoidable. You will get it even more as the other guy succeeds. Try these wing rules in general. If you cannot avoid, at least play around it.
/r/seduction06/07/26 05:12 AM
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Ai ? Regardless most of this advice is misdirected pick any PUA model and you sidestep all of this
/r/seduction04/07/26 02:07 PM
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Yes and no, frame push is a better term in this situation because it moves the interaction into flirting. And the last part is important not the words. You can do push-pull for many different other reasons and other ways
/r/seduction03/07/26 02:18 PM
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Depends on your type of Game. It matters in nightgame (where everything is about status), less so in social game (where you get status by organising) and doesnt matter at all in daygame (which screens for non-status). Play your cards right and you can even turn social game into profit (for example high class party organiser)
/r/seduction02/07/26 08:54 PM
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Nothing. Female attraction is only partially physical. Not to say there wont be girl who will have sex just based on looks. But to strongly say that if you dont have perfect physique, then your situation is highly playable by just being presentable and well groomed.
/r/seduction02/07/26 08:25 PM
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The premise is wrong here. If you are approaching a stranger (in any setting), the load of conversation weight is on you. Hence, questions are bad, because they pass responsibility to the one answering the question. Regardless, on absence of everything, the 3 easiest topics are: where she is from, what she does for work/study, and what she is doing now. Remember to keep it girl friendly.
/r/seduction02/07/26 07:34 PM
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this is not a neg. Tbf the concept is vastly misunderstood. But long story sort, even if you want to neg, save it for the really high quality girls (8 or 9+), it backfires hard for the others
/r/seduction02/07/26 07:27 PM
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in my experience the best ones are literally "say what you see". Tanning "Hello, you look really cute, but madam, you are too red" Or after she comes out of the see "... but madam, you are wet" If she has big glasses: " your glasses too big" It is not science, it is just "frame" push
/r/seduction02/07/26 06:07 PM
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You dont need funny/witty/ or what have you openers. These are just to break the ice. You just need the girl to take you seriously and then everything is an opener. The standard tactic is compliment/tease, which essentially enforces a strong frame (to take you seriously), but that is that
/r/seduction02/07/26 04:54 PM
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You dont need expert looks for Game, so you are most likely good. I wouldnt dress in suite for a daygame approach, but for everything else it is fine. Analysis paralysis is a symptom of not confidence/not used to the process. Practice more and it will go away. But when you freeze say something, anything, so you have a data point for the future. Saying nothing and ejecting is precisely the wrong move
/r/seduction02/07/26 04:29 AM
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eye contact is an IOI, but it is not end all be all. As all other IOIs, if you open girls from eye contact you will just increase your odds here and your odds there and that will make a difference in the long term. You don't have to make a special opener. If you really want you can make an accusation opener "you cannot stare me like that without saying hi", but that is over the top to me
/r/seduction01/07/26 05:59 PM
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based on me, you learn from successes, because you cannot fake confidence and inner worth to your unconcious. Sadly, until you hit a string of sucesses, you will need to trust a system and be prepared to failed a lot. Advice on fashion, gym etc are good, then pick a pick up system with your prefered type of game and go trial and error
/r/seduction01/07/26 04:57 PM
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Yes, there is. Game has a purpose, i.e. get laid. Social skills are a tool, a tool with no purpose has no meaning. It is asking if swordfighting and being a ninja are the same. When we are talking about Game, the way you will implement said social skills and the opportunities that you will have will be different than the skills you will need in a business meeting for example. Also how fast you are planning to go with the seduction will even require different use of the skillset. We can go on and…
/r/seduction01/07/26 04:46 PM
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as long as you show intent, then any rejection is just that a rejection. The only question you should ask is whether you tried to escalate or not. This is not a vibe issue or dominance issue
/r/seduction30/06/26 09:18 PM
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A few things, you ideolize relationships. Here is a neurochemical primer on what happens. Now, you never force a relationship. It is true the girl bonds with you (usually post sex, when bodies are touching and you both release oxytocin). And it is also true that the guy holds more power in relationships. But... you still cant force them, she needs to be on board. It doesnt matter how fast sex happens, or how you got to sex, it only matters if you guys keep going on dates. Treat the dates not dif…
/r/seduction30/06/26 07:42 PM
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well, I am not a psychologist, but I found that the biggest and truest boost in confidence and social skills came from successes. This was the moment when the brain was registering: "this works now, I can really do it". All the talks and mantras was just beating around the bush otherwise. The existential questions of fixing your long term psychology are mostly irrelevant to the immediate issues of acquiring girls (beating AA, escalating, being fun, taking rejection on the chin, etc.). The existe…
/r/seduction27/06/26 07:39 PM
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Here are mine. About 1/30-50 open to close is about right (over large samples). This tracks with what other top daygamers are reporting, but it is internet, so take everything with a grain of salt
/r/seduction27/06/26 07:29 PM
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At your 30s you are actually at you SMP peak. But I won’t sugar coat it, you will need a lot of inner game work. Pick up a relevant reading list (for example here) and then work from there. Krauser famously started at 34. Many daygamers also made it on that age. Finally, therapy wont help you… probably at all. When it comes to girls and relationships they are useless. Especially, no point discussing the adversity and inner friction of the journey with them. Better route is to stop therapy while …
/r/seduction27/06/26 06:09 AM
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If he crosses a social line you can call him out. Otherwise, include him in the group and let others absorb him. But if you are meant to do this right you shouldnt stay on convos for more than 2-3 mins at a time.
/r/seduction26/06/26 04:31 AM
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You make friends with men and women follow later. Woman friends are utilitarian. As long she has “fun” hanging out with you she will be your friend. If she gets bored no more.
/r/seduction26/06/26 04:29 AM
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I would recommend you to take inspiration from nightgame guides or systems. Fundamentally, they don't differ that much barring structure. The best thing you can do in those events, however, is to make friends. Then move the friends to your own event and treat it as a social circle game variant. The shields will be down, you will gain massive social capital (regardless of lay or not), and you won't have to engage in the dog eat dog environment of the speed dating.
/r/seduction25/06/26 06:09 PM
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You dont “warm up”: what you call shut down is textbook approach anxiety. With friction it will become manageable. The usual advice is that for your first 200 sets focus on just that, not freezing. Game has a steep learning curve. We all had those moments in the beginning
/r/seduction24/06/26 08:06 PM
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I will be realistic with you, but those first 5 minutes of seduction are more important than the rest combined. You can open with anything as long as it is value positive and showcases intent (here is a breakdown). Alternatively giving the compliment + tease is ok and the bread and butter of direct game. But bare in mind it is not the compliment that matters here. Then you need to carry the conversation yourself. Because you are initiating the open. Eventually the girl will warm up and from then…
/r/seduction24/06/26 07:44 PM
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You are correct, that this is doubly true in nightgame. But the underlying principle is “attraction is like vapor”. By itself it wont mean much whether it is night, day, alcohol or not. Actually the best alternative to number in nightgame is to randevouz in the same club, i.e. “i hang out a lot here, lets meet again”. If stars align and you meet her again there, then it is super on.
/r/seduction23/06/26 09:59 PM
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I like the approach to this regarding social trust. In general cold approach is “win-win” scenarios with strangers. Some cultures accomodate this, some only work via “friend of friend”. So Anglosphere and periphery are better culturally prepared for cold approaches over Mediterranean, middle east or India for example. Now into city specifics, the common advice is over 1 million but if you travel then this doesnt matter because you wont be there for long. Shopping streets are the gold standard. T…
/r/seduction23/06/26 09:17 PM
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Either you didnt make her invest, or made the interaction “real” beyond the attraction. Or, she was interested in the moment but unavailable in general (for life reasons)
/r/seduction23/06/26 06:54 PM
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In general inner game is summarized here. Others do get it right when they say it doesnt matter, but miss your POV imo. If you improve your “value” (looks, money,status) you might get more looks, but this can translate to only marginal success. What you really need is confidence that the whole thing works without an IOI before hand. For that point, and as in most stuff with inner game, is best learned from success. So it will be a roll of the dice until advice becomes tangible and real.
/r/seduction23/06/26 06:53 PM
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It also helps with the maintenance later on. Endless texting during the day gets tiring. But one 10min phone call/day is much more manageable
/r/seduction22/06/26 06:06 PM
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In person is always better. You actually control the frame with non-verbals than verbals. You also miss a tone of information via texting (for example emotions reading). All in all, when you meet her, there will be less distractions, you will be there for a purpose, and you can show your Game more effectively. It is not even a question, texting is just a vehicle to the date.
/r/seduction22/06/26 05:44 PM
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Frame and shit tests are not magical things, essentially they are measurements of power. Here it is explained well. When people say "hold frame" usually aims to showcase exactly this: that you are beyond what she is doing. But this only works when she was bluffing on your "power" measurement. Sometimes it is fine to respond at face value. However... the way you describe this, it is probably you who needs to chill out. I.e., take things less seriously, which comes with practice and exposure.
/r/seduction22/06/26 04:09 PM
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If you have a good set, with attraction and more importantly investment, the girl will be more active at texting you. If you had a shaky set, usually you cannot do enough work via texting to carry itself forward. So if your approach is good, statistically your texting game will be easier, compared to lets say giving a compliment and asking for a number straight up. This is good, because it also makes the whole thing more predictable. A good set, you can expect her to follow up later.
/r/seduction21/06/26 06:08 AM
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As long as you are not weird, you can hold your ground on these. If they take action, for example ask you to leave, you might have veto power and contest that (with management or the law). From his perspective he just didn't knew what he was supposed to be doing, and currently just write it off. Better to have him a friend (the security) more than anything. Once you get better at this, you will see clearly that the girl was weird, and your inner game will be strong enough to totally dismiss this…
/r/seduction20/06/26 06:16 PM
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Texting, for real, it is one of the areas that people tend to mess up pretty bad. It is not hard for the girls to steer the conversation to endless topics (for attention), while never coming out for a date. Keeping it minimal sounds simple, but is counter-intuitive
/r/seduction20/06/26 04:12 PM
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Here is a full guide for you. But to sum it up: Goal is to set up the date, so avoid long platitudes or dry convos. If she replies, ask her out. In person you have much more control of the interaction and can influence the outcome better. Play on momentum: initiate texting a few hour after you get the number so the interaction is fresh. Keep a mix of attraction (fun stuff) and logistics. Don’t go into rapport too much and dont do sexual spikes before meeting in person . 4. But… always remember, …
/r/seduction20/06/26 04:44 AM
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Yes. Self knowledge comes after experience, hence you need friction with girls to improve. You cant just sideline this part and expect to improve just from building value. For example, take a look what goes behind frame control and handling relationships. How is it possible to develop this by “focusing on yourself” People are using that to mimic “aloofness” and “outcome independence”, but I agree with you, it mostly wont make people improve by themselves.
/r/seduction17/06/26 08:23 PM
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Haha, this is both blatant chatgpt and actually ineffective. Even if you wrote part of it yourself, you have multiple points of what is called demonstration of lower value in your examples which make them miss the point. As a community we have better and faster escalation methods. Your timings are way too off, to the point if the guy waits that long it is actually detrimental.
/r/seduction15/06/26 04:05 PM
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The issue doesnt start at escalation. Escalation is just the reward at the end. The issue is about communication patterns. Your conversation needs to primarily focus on emotions and relationships, then you can build up from there. When you get a hint she likes you, then and only then you can attempt to escalate.
/r/seduction14/06/26 04:55 AM
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The theory piece you are missing is in regards to social vs sexual hook points, i.e., when she likes to talk to you vs when she likes, likes you. Sometimes you immediatly hit sexual hook point based on value, looks and pure luck. But even then you need to understand yourself where you are. The much more common situation is a transition from social hook point -> display value -> sexual hookpoint. Of course hitting sexual hookpoint doesn't mean straight to bed. There is still an escalation ladder …
/r/seduction13/06/26 08:08 PM
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Let’s see this from two sides, one is the mechanics of acquiring girls and one is from your own inner world and satisfaction. As far as mechanics go, every strategy engages with screening and filtering. The first is an active process, while the second is a set it and forget it passive process. In dating apps for example ypur profile is a filter. The girl who swipe left, you will never know of them. When cold approaching you are engaging in both. The filter is lower than the dating apps (as the o…
/r/seduction11/06/26 08:48 PM
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For that job you might as well pay your friend to push you into sets. Coaches can work, but set expectations for yourself first, a high level overview is provided here. Just remember, that at the end of the day, seduction is a lonely road and it is you who has to do the inner work one way or another.
/r/seduction11/06/26 06:44 PM
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Not really. Seduction is real for the simple reason you can always lose a set. Read here for what seduction is, and here for the development stages. The fact that you “can’t win them all” doesn’t deny skill and artistry. Especially dont discount that quality, terms of relationship and speed of seduction vastly improve in your favour with skill.
/r/seduction10/06/26 10:28 AM
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He wants a deconstruction of the concept. Because otherwise you end up with all sorts of bad conclusions (like advertising virginhood). There are clearly 2 concepts mixed up here.
/r/seduction09/06/26 05:38 PM
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Not quite. There is the concept of authenticity, essentially presenting the real you, it matters to girls because otherwise you create incongruency. Imagine a prime minister behaving like a drunkard for example, it just doesn't match. Incogruency creates negative feelings in the unconcious (mainly of distrust) which the girl rationalizes as "i don't like that guy". For women it is emotions first and then logic trickles down from there. But all I am getting at is that by accepting your ineptitude…
/r/seduction09/06/26 05:35 PM
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Evolution doesnt work in a few hundred years, you need to look over the homo sapiens species.
/r/seduction08/06/26 06:56 AM
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A google search can easily answer this. Some studies have the figure even lower.
/r/seduction08/06/26 04:26 AM
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Here is a guide for it. Your main mistake is that thinking it is some kind of magic. It usually is about the girl being open to you and her being swept by the emotions of the date. Similarly to how a movie is a collection of different scenes lasting a few minutes each, but the collective feel each scene gives is much larger. You feel like you “know” characters just from 1 or 2 scenes. So fast escalation is about: Showing value Escalating Making it seem like a flow due to emotional variation and …
/r/seduction07/06/26 08:10 PM
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sperm is cheap, eggs are expensive. 40% of the men reproduced compared to 80% of women in Homo Sapiens history. This should answer your questions. It is not a moral question, it is an evolutionary one
/r/seduction07/06/26 06:20 PM
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Few things to disentangle. In clubs direct approaches can be more hit or miss, as every action signals to the entire club. From her perspective being receptive to you might cut off attention from other men. Clubs feed of primarily on status, so you need to practice making large groups and ensuring everyone is having fun. These dynamics are explained well here, for example. Now in terms of direct approaches in general. It is a gambit, there is a technical correct way to do it (smile, presence, co…
/r/seduction07/06/26 04:49 PM
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Haha, while i agree with you in practice, neuroscience is just there as a very good guide.
/r/seduction06/06/26 05:10 PM
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It is not only “cold approach”, it is all the neurochemicals balancing you out from access to various types of relationships. Specifically, without sex the mail brain becomes stressed similar to when it is on survival mode.
/r/seduction06/06/26 02:21 PM
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I think you are too hard on yourself. Here is a guide for you. In short what you are alluding to is escalation. Escalation works on when you have value in the eyes of the girl. And… most of the time, the girl wont show hints about it. So it is trial and error. You have to risk rejection until you develop the calibration for it. But everything start with being concious on when making a move.
/r/seduction03/06/26 08:34 PM
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Appreciated you enjoying the ideas over there. To drive the point home i will give you a commercial analogy: “The majority of the products in Amazon lose money. However, the ones that become best sellers overcompensate for the other loses.” Similarly, in seduction the majority of the girls wont have sex with you. But the ones who will… does not mean they were your average run of the mill sets. They were exceptional sets that happen to like you and your game was analogously on point. Hence, seduc…
/r/seduction02/06/26 06:36 PM
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I disagree with this. There are many benefits on investing on results as for example explained here. The fact that you should make girls not a life priority is good (and nearly mandatory) for other reasons. The reality of seduction is that it is sisyphian. I am personally more inclined to believe that result A does NOT correlate with result B once you have master the basics and dont shoot yourself on the foot with bad inner game (as in your examples). It is on you to brush off bad reactions and …
/r/seduction02/06/26 06:09 PM
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If your looks are that “bad” which honestly should be a really outlier case. Then there are social forms of game (social circle, indirect nightgame) that aim to build value from social capital, in a sense being the soul of the party (or even better the organiser and the soul). This doesnt mean being a one man show, it means mixing well with people and connecting/running sets and especially handling men. Lead men and women will follow. Regardless, the situation is playable.
/r/seduction30/05/26 07:28 PM
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First things first, if you are to do this right, each type of relationship needs to aim at a specific goal. You cannot just expect a casual hook up and a relationship to have same requirements and outcomes. The second thing to understand is that girls will go casual, if you something to bring to the table, i.e. they get the tingles. Casual means charismatic value or in plain english sexworthiness. The bar is actually higher than a relationship. The speed is faster but the pre-requisite of value …
/r/seduction30/05/26 07:11 PM
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Here is the current literature on your topic. Its not that you have to dumb it down, but it has to serve a purpose. Women naturally respond to topics about emotions and relationships. As you diverge from that style of communication to her eyes it feels you are speaking Martian. She will understand you, but it will be the equivalent of you trying to watch a soap opera, it is just boring. Now if you want to be intellectual, you can. But it has to communicate a strong sense of reality and direction…
/r/seduction30/05/26 06:11 AM
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The thing with nightgame (and social circle game) is that you dont play for the date as you do in daygame. You are playing for the lay at the end of the night. The environment is not set up to accommodate anything else. Because at the end of the day… why try to take it to IG instead of proceeding right then and there. But to do the latter you need to handle her friend group. Hence all the complexity comes in. Usually, this type of game revolves around making sure everyone is having fun. Then jus…
/r/seduction26/05/26 03:50 PM
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There are 3 types of Game + apps: Daygame: meet girls during the day in spontaneous settings that are not otherwise designed for people to mingle. Pros: highest flexibility and freedom, Cons: hard to master. Resources: here Nightgame: Bars/clubs: here the social aspect cannot be underplayed. Nightgame is about playing the entire club in order to gain status and then the girl. Wings are useful. Pros: once mastered can yield really high dividends, Cons: you have to deal with loud environments and …
/r/seduction26/05/26 03:06 PM
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Ok, a few things wrong here. As a man you are at your SMV peak (refer here for an SMP breakdown). However... as a man your value is not only looks, it is status, knowledge, competence, leadership etc. By using dating apps, you are doubling down on looks. Then... of course, you are at a disadvantage over younger buffed guys. But you are underselling yourself by quite a margin like that. It is just wrong marking device that you are using. If you don't want to cold approach just do social game or s…
/r/seduction25/05/26 05:37 PM
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In terms of daygame this guy is quite good. He needs some effort to be understood, but the point is on making things graspable, and hence not magical or loose, so they can be acted upon.
/r/seduction25/05/26 08:12 AM
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First, at 35 you are at you SMV peak as a man, so don’t lose hope. There are opportunities out there. As far as anxiety goes, that is an inner game issue. The source of it is explained here quite well. But the way to get over it is with being accustomed to the process. Everyone is bad when they start and have to grind the first months. But it gets better, it gets really better!
/r/seduction24/05/26 06:06 PM
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Because without the emotional lows you cannot have the emotional highs. You can only feel true “outcome independence” when you dont care about the girl. Just from definition
/r/seduction24/05/26 01:49 PM
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I was once into the red light district in an Asian country. And 80% of the prostitutes flat out rejected me without even looking me twice. No joke. This is how far looks personally take me. Compare it with cold approach and you get this.
/r/seduction24/05/26 01:47 PM
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Here is a breakdown of the reality of dating 9/10s. While 10/10s dont really exist. However bare in mind that the only way to approximate objective rating for girls is in terms of how much status you receive from strangers just for carrying them around. A 9/10 is a girls where everyone checks you out. A 10/10 probably gives you more fame than a mayor
/r/seduction18/05/26 03:16 PM
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Here is a full texting guide for you. The thing to understand is that all communication might be smokes and mirrors until a date is set up. Hence, text “escalation” is not recommended as it can lead the girl to get cold feet later. Now as to setting up a date it boils down to confirm interest then manage logistics. So at the basis of things any system cannot be too complicated before hitting diminishing returns.
/r/seduction17/05/26 07:41 AM
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Here is your answer. You greatly misunderstand that most of pickup systems screen for interest. And hence, the blowout rate is by design. But regardless, at the beginning everyone has it rough. It took me 419 approaches to get a lay in daygame
/r/seduction17/05/26 06:13 AM
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The club is a social environment, so things need to be a little bit more covert than other forms of dating. For example read this lay report The girls will give you signals and generally make it obvious. If you want to redline, then you need to get her out of her friend group. For example cigarette break, go to the bar for a drink, etc. Then be upfront and tell her “I want to kiss you”. But club game is played indirectly. You build value and then rip the rewards when time comes. With the bare mi…
/r/seduction16/05/26 04:39 AM
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It is outdated. Or at least non-necessary. The point here is to give people options by pointing what matters and why
/r/seduction13/05/26 04:15 PM
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No one is advocating to become like customer service, but there is a learning curve and the journey will be mechanical in the beginning. That is just how social skills are, they need to be developed. Later on, all players advocate for natural game. Here a psychological breakdown of the journey and you will see why such and such behaviour arises.
/r/seduction12/05/26 04:07 PM
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There was some theory about stages of learning: Unconscious incompetence Conscious incompetence Conscious competence Unconscious competence Hence the “fake it” is until conscious behaviour becomes first competent and second ingrained so it is unconscious
/r/seduction12/05/26 11:11 AM
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The thing is that you shouldn't try to change the situation, the situation "just is" for all it matters practicaly. If you try to change her mind, you might win, but lose the relationship. This is not a question of boundaries or anything, just how the dynamics of courtship work. If you want to keep it casual though, it is at the sweet spot
/r/seduction11/05/26 04:17 PM
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I would sway you away from “coach” theory and more into science in terms of reading signals from girls For example here is a deconstruction of Emotional Reading based on Ekman. That is as scientific as it gets. Beyond that there are various body language books around.
/r/seduction10/05/26 05:14 PM
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That is not the point at all
/r/seduction10/05/26 02:16 PM
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Well said, the model is used to introspect after the fact. I experienced this -> probably that is why.
/r/seduction10/05/26 02:15 PM
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Its not the final decision that we are discussing about, its about whether she is or not open to flirt with you in general. Some are just No girls and there is nothing to do about it
/r/seduction10/05/26 02:14 PM
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Yeap, well said
/r/seduction10/05/26 02:13 PM
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The general structure is fun conversation for the first few minutes and then more down to earth conversation for the remainder. Essentially this is to cover attraction and comfort parts of seduction. Now, as to what to say when in set, just use "girl talk", i.e., talk based on emotions and relationships
/r/seduction06/05/26 03:58 AM
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Deconstruction of seduction into: Volume Value Inner Game Logistics Technique from the "Deep Structure of Game". It just makes everything much more manageable and graspable.
/r/seduction05/05/26 03:15 PM
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What you listed as "downside" is actually in your favour. You just need to be discreet about everything and let the rumors work in your favour. It is actually a feature of social game (that girls indirectly know you are a ladies man)
/r/seduction05/05/26 03:52 AM
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In reality personality is highly malleable, supported both from psychology and neuroscience. You win the right to be yourself only after you are competent with success (and that is for yourself, not a strategic decision). Now for your specifics, to me you read like an extrovert. Any form of social circle game where you organise events and parties takes advantage of exactly what you are describing. Of course, you will have to learn to be subtle and indirect (to maintain social balance). But the b…
/r/seduction04/05/26 07:07 PM
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The root comes from the person itself, so AI won't reveal it either. It is about the strength of the signal, AI can be hit or miss, while infield data are accurate 100%
/r/seduction04/05/26 01:48 PM
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this won't be nearly half as effective. But my bigger objection is that the same issues will be revealed infield, just from the act of approaching, so why is there need for AI ?
/r/seduction04/05/26 01:27 PM
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Yes, that is too little. Attraction is like vapour, so she might like you and then forget it one hour later. In the community we call it investment, that means sharing about yourself and getting to know her. In general, here is a good resource.
/r/seduction04/05/26 01:17 PM
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