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Your above rant needs to be directed at the red pill users that take everything Tomassi says as gospel. If I wasn’t thinking for myself, I wouldn’t agree with aspects of the red and black pill (I have a dark purple flair). What’s dangerous is having men at their lowest emotional point, reading a book that makes assertions about women as if it’s exclusive to their gender. Causing men to see women as having the same, universal agenda at different spectrums. I could literally write a book called ‘T…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/20 12:46 AM
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Doesn't change the fact that Tomassi is a blogger. Why read a book that doesn't necessarily have credibility (Yet to see if say, 'holding frame' has any sort of scientific backing).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/20 11:48 PM
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Yea I could see that
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 10:15 PM
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My thought is to let them try it and see if they like sports. If they don’t then I won’t force them to continue Edit: my issue was never having the opportunity to try
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 09:02 PM
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Frustrating hearing stories about children being socially stunted by their parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 07:21 PM
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Yea this post is spot on. While my parents aren’t terrible people at all, they had a very laidback parenting approach. As long as I got decent grades (B or higher in high school) they didn’t care what I did. This extended in to college as well. I am praised for being the easiest child of my 7 siblings. Do you want to know why? It’s because my parents just had to stick an Xbox in front of me and I was satisfied and I could sit in the same spot for 12+ hours a day. This laidback attitude is nice, …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 04:42 PM
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Mode* There are some interesting threads on r/askmen with men talking about how their view on women changed when they had daughters A lot of dudes will say they can’t date younger people because of the maturity/relatable gap. (See: someone my age trying to date a sophomore in high school). I think it’s like what we were talking yesterday about the younger man-older woman dynamic, it’s a purely sexual relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 03:00 PM
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Confused what you mean by overtly. As in men won’t talk about their feelings openly? Or emphasize with the other person?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 02:51 PM
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Cheating rates are roughly equal for both genders I’m pretty sure
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 02:48 PM
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I agree with this. It is entirely possible they don’t want to date them but he’s I don’t disagree
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 02:47 PM
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There’s that chart about all men preferring women that are 22. And while there’s definitely older men like that, there are definitely older men disgusted by that idea and see it the same as screwing their daughter Edit: No idea what the ratio is but if morals were removed then yea it probably skews farther for the former
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 02:45 PM
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Agree in the sense that you can look at Germany during the 30s and 40s. Disagree with men being the less empathetic gender, the greatest poets and musicians of all time have been male
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 02:43 PM
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This post is operating under the assumption that every man truly wants a relationship that isn’t shallow..that’s why there’s the meme of the guy gets rich and dumps his wife for a hot-young 20 something year old. The issue for the MGTOW men; it is because they’re basically at the bottom of the food chain (harsh, but it’s true on average), they have little to no sexual choice in terms of who they can select to wife up. More attractive men have more ability to be patient and vet for good personali…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 02:36 PM
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He’s married, but yea I can’t comment on his experiences
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/20 11:33 PM
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I’ve never heard of Taleb. What are his big arguing points against Peterson and Harris?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/20 07:36 PM
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I’ve Heard about this study proving left-leaning bias in academia. Thank you for linking!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/20 07:31 PM
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Proof that assertions made by Tomassi are wrong? The burden of proof is on the assertions made by Tomassi. He’s a blogger, he’s not even a credible leaning red piller like Jordan Peterson. Tomassi rolls with unprovable claims. “Oh all women have the potential to divorce rape their husbands and branch swing”. Ok..all men have the potential to beat their spouses up. AMALT. What’s being argued? I could gladly find cheating statistics that show both genders roughly on par Edit: https://www.jstor.org…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/20 07:23 PM
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I asked for peer-reviewed studies in the title. Anything with .com is not peer-reviewed
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/20 07:05 PM
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Thanks brother. We need more fact based arguments on this sub
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/20 06:49 PM
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Someone else on here did. I want to see more than the okCupid study
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/20 06:31 PM
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I’ve heard the arguments for left-leaning bias in academia (and there’s definitely truth to it). Any sources backing how bad it is? Edit: the same could be extended to the race-iq debate probably
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/20 06:22 PM
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Thank you!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/20 06:19 PM
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There is truth for sure. I believe in 80/20 for casual sex. And AF-BB happens (awalt though? Lmao). The people on this sub project and claim the entire population commits these type of strategies
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/20 05:57 PM
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Yea I agree. Women are loved conditionally for their beauty, it’s a two way street
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/20 05:56 PM
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Anecdotes don’t represent the majority of the population. I can say that all men are child molesters because I was sexually abused as a kid. There’s my point of view and reality. That doesn’t mean the same reality exists for the other 99% of children
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/20 05:53 PM
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I haven’t read the book so the points made from it I only know second hand from other readers The 80/20 rule which is that 80% of women chase 20% of the men. Women all have the potential to be hypergamous and branch swing when an objectively richer, hotter man comes along that is willing to commit Those are the two most notable points
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/20 05:52 PM
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[sorry, semi-long reply incoming] Yea I can tell you personally that it helps tremendously. I went from shy, 200 lbs, greasy hair -> extroverted, 150 lbs, fade hairstyle, shower before I leave the house. Despite this it only took me from a 3/10 -> 6/10. The reason being is that I’m 5’9, don’t have a square jaw and struggle to put on a noticeable amount of muscle (I’ve been working out since July of 2016). I could maybe peak at a 7/10 if I managed to get my body fat % below 8, but that takes so m…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/20 04:43 PM
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Yea I agree that attractiveness generally operates as positive, neutral (men think ‘game’ will turn this in to a positive), and then negative. Mark Manson talked about this in his book Models, and I agree with the general premise. The issue has to do with how high the bar is as a guy just to get a decent number of positive-openly attracted people. And unfortunately, lifting and losing weight does not necessarily move the needle as much as one would like if they don’t have at least a certain heig…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/20 02:04 PM
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r/BlackPillScience Sort by top all time
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/20 03:03 AM
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Depends how attractive the woman is. An above average woman is going to generally receive a lot of male attention. Male attention that includes men that are tall, work out, and have money. If muscles is all you bring to the table then you’re going to get picked over the other dudes.. Working out should be able to attract you someone in general, but it’s disingenuous to act like height and a masculine face does not widen your dating pool (hint, hint, it does). People date/marry in leagues general…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 01:09 PM
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LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 06:49 PM
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The only long-run advantage is if you’re asexual, not needy socially (anti-social or introverted is the right term?), and are willing to have no standards in terms of looks. The halo effect is actively working against you, so if you’re not intelligent that puts you at another disadvantage in the job market as well. As a general rule of thumb it’s better to be better looking in general because you receive more social opportunities via dating and getting invited to events. edit: worth noting that …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 06:23 PM
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Disagree, they don't want a simp but they want a pleasant dude that doesn't bend over backwards.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/20 08:04 PM
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Pretty much this, the subreddits don’t accurately reflect the general population. You’re looking at radicalized groups. It’s like being jaded by politics because everyone is either a die hard conservative or die hard liberal and if you disagree you’re a POS in some way. When like 40% of the US voters are considered independents
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/20 02:50 PM
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Yea you still need a decent face if you’re tall for STRs I agree. LTRs not as much. Pretty sure r/blackpillscience has a study showing that height only correlated for STR value not LTR (I think face factored in more for LTR preference, not 100% sure though)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 07:22 PM
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5th year wrapping up this May so 2015-2020. I agree that height overall matters more for STRs, but the ones that do well below 5’10 I know of have masculine faces to compensate for their height
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 07:14 PM
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My college experiences disagree (still in college)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 07:10 PM
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This extends in to college
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 07:10 PM
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I understand your sentiment, and agree that the men should not react angrily when you're honest. However what I have generally observed is that the anger is based around societal messaging such as men being sexually stimulated visually more than women. While it appears the anger is being taken out on you, keep in mind that at the root it is sadness, because the attractive qualities (height, masculine face) aren't really changeable. It is the sadness that these qualities can't be changed. And the…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/20 09:56 PM
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I agree with this. Women have more to risk with child-bearing when they’re too young and can’t support a kid or didn’t want one
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/20 09:53 PM
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Yea, this is spot on.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/20 05:31 PM
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Hit the nail on the head.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/20 05:29 PM
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Yea, this is very accurate but also applies to women as well. People need to be more blackpilled and socially aware of where they stand in terms of their sexual attraction. Social media has inflated everyone's expectations and standards is my thought for the rise of sexlessness in men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/20 05:20 PM
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Worth mentioning with UBI is that the amount of money received isn't supposed to be enough to live off of. Yang cites the poverty line at $12,800 while UBI pays $12,000 a year
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/20 01:49 AM
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Fair enough, can’t really argue against that if that’s how these rejected men acted
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 04:43 PM
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That kind of tone generates the bitterness that these incels have, and reinforces why guys hate having to be the gender that does the approaching when it has the potential to be met with hostility. Instead of “I don’t want to fuck you, ok?” which comes off as defensive/aggressive as if the incel in question tried to forcefully get in to your pants. They wouldn’t be as pissed with a statement such as “I’ll be honest, I’m not attracted to you. I’m sorry but I don’t feel the same way”. You get the …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 01:21 PM
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Because it’s our method for being affectionate. Incels wouldn’t be mad if masterbating solved their sexual frustrations.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 03:22 AM
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Men are also a resource at a macro level.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 08:10 PM
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🤙🏻
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/20 06:21 PM
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Bingo. You can’t just apply objectives to human interactions because there’s so much more nuance to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/20 06:18 PM
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Burn the fat off your face and there is
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/20 08:40 PM
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He’s the perfect response to a lot of feminism that became weaponized by society. This causes men to not understand their gender role because being confident = rapist/douchebag, but being a simp = loser. Peterson is doing a hell of a job highlighting that men have issues too, just like women do. And by ignoring men now because historically they’ve been the oppressors is only going to brew resentment and damage society. Society failed if I had to turn to the internet to understand my gender role
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/20 05:04 PM
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Damn. My issues happened only when I was trying to get homework taken care of. I would be way too stressed around test time to have any sort of drive. But yea Calc 2 and 3 were annoying because of this, and serial rejection put me in a depressive position as well that fortunately happened once I was done with my weed out courses. I am now legitimately concerned that if I was hitting that phase when school was at its hardest for me I would’ve been screwed. I now realize how important socializing …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/20 05:00 PM
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I agree with this as well. I would be dishonest if I didn’t admit I was hooked on video games from kindergarten-freshman year of college. But at the same time, if there was someone that could have basically told me that if I did XYZ, I could achieve ABC (work out, be sociable -> get the girl. Make self-improvement a social norm basically instead of the just going to college mantra everyone receives). I started realizing this stuff because I was finally sick of video games at this point. What has…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/20 04:32 PM
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This shouldn’t ignore working out and improving sexual attraction to increase the number of women that would lust for a dude if he took care of himself. Just wanted to point this out. Finances and personality are important for relationships, but it’s like society wants to emphasize doing well in the job interview, versus building the resume to being with (because honestly admitting that resumes matter in the sexual marketplace means you’re shallow, even though everyone is. The people willing to …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/20 04:23 PM
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It was a mystery because of a lot of the naive-ambiguous messages men received growing up. It’s pathetic that I had to discover and read PUA/Redpill/Blackpill/Bluepill/FDS to even figure out the root issue of my dating woes, instead of society being taboo about the sexual marketplace
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/20 04:21 PM
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Yea it’s scary how accurate this is. I’ve been agitated at how my sex drive has impeded my ability to study in school, and the impeding feeling is only extrapolating if you struggle to find sex with the opposite gender (STR and/or LTR).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/20 04:18 PM
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Pretty much this. All you have to do is gain social experiences and have social awareness -> you’re not 100% Blue pilled anymore lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/20 11:53 PM
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Like I said earlier in the comment chain, it’s that guys underestimated how much jawline/height determined how sexually attractive you were. Being spoon fed messages such as “just be confident”, I was told throughout public school that women only cared about confidence. You’re downplaying social programming. It’s similar to religion - if you’re told growing up constantly that XYZ happened or will happen to you, you’ll believe it because you don’t know any better.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/20 01:17 PM
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People were told growing up that men are pigs and visually stimulated. Told to go to college and get a good job (be a provider) then everything would work itself out. What society failed to say was that not every man is a pig and women are just as visually stimulated w/o status present.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 11:52 PM
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There’s a balance fortunately because of monogamy being introduced in to society, and the importance of a two-parent household for child development. That’s why the chad-harems the incels push is bullshit. The 80/20 rule only applies roughly to casual sex. I think society should become much more aware of the significance of looks so everyone will have the urge to improve themselves (and this trend has definitely become apparent so the action is there). Because dead bedrooms and people that bitte…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 11:43 PM
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I agree that in general height isn’t a death sentence for the average person as long as you’re above 5’6. But the shorter someone is, the more masculine one’s face needs to be to compensate (there’s a point of no return for face as well, being tall with an unattractive face hardly helps). Controlling for the same face in the hypothetical person you mentioned, I agree that the shorter guy with style will win out. But if the person is decently more facially attractive then that will beat out style…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 11:07 PM
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The issue has more to do with coming to the realization that jawline and height matter much more for sexual success as a guy than what a lot of us initially thought. We knew that Brad Pitt was obviously going to do better than Danny DeVito. There’s an 80-20 rule for sexual attraction - 80% of it is your face/height/status, the other 20% is grooming and style that reflects socioeconomic status & fitting the familiarity niche that would attract people through similar styles/tastes (hipster/punk/Gr…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 09:50 PM
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This^ I dislike the binary attitude men/women here claim they have when it comes to looks. The “looks threshold” isn’t a binary thing it works on a spectrum/gradient as you said. The better looking you are, you don’t need to make as much money/have status. However, there is a point of no improvement if you are unattractive enough which is why people believe it’s binary. What adds to the complication is some care about looks less than say, status than others.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 05:10 PM
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I resonate with this post a lot. That’s why you just have to power through and be honest. Warren Buffet said it best when he said honesty is the only viable way of maintaining connections in the long run. Even if honesty pisses someone off they at least know you’re a reliable communicator
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 03:59 AM
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Right, it’s basically the agitation that society is stacked against men. A lot of pro-feminism rhetoric that won’t acknowledge that 4% of women are lying about who the father really is. Meanwhile society will gaslight rape and acknowledge scummy male sexual tactics. I wholeheartedly agree with what you’re saying. I just feel that there’s a lot more good than bad (clearly there is since 96% aren’t pulling this bullshit) The redpill is good to read about, because it keeps everything nuanced and ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/20 12:31 AM
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Right. 4% is large enough to acknowledge. But a lot of Reddit users gaslight this fact and act like the 4% is actually 40% or 80%. Not sure what else to say other than this happens but it’s still a minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/20 12:13 AM
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Not all women are the same though. People such as my mother/sister value intimacy. I don’t disagree it’s a head scratcher to ban paternity testing but it’s hard to comment without widespread data pre-ban. Listing the 1 in 30 study shows it’s only 3% of women doing this. So it’s not even close to a majority. It’s fine to acknowledge that shit like AF/BB happens, but it’s not the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/20 12:02 AM
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It’s hard for me to comment, because as an American I don’t know Western European social dynamics at all. Another purple leaning user mentioned to me how one of the Nordic countries has like a 70% single mother rate. And honestly it makes sense considering men don’t need to be providers anymore. I simply would’ve thought that women would prefer companionship/intimacy instead of raising kids on their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 11:53 PM
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Yea. I can’t disagree with these points. Unfortunately this is what happens when the government subsidizes selfish/bad decisions
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 11:47 PM
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Interesting, wow
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 11:42 PM
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Source for the illegal paternity tests in France. At least the fact that most men are raising kids that aren’t theirs. Was that proven by paternity tests right before they made it illegal?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 11:16 PM
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You have a point with women being contradictory in what they say versus what they do. I can agree that isn’t actually toxic masculinity. My example is fundamentally different than what you’re talking about since I’m talking about guy on guy stuff but yea I agree. The second point has more to do with the general tone. The red pill is toned in a sense that it doesn’t acknowledge how men are just as scummy to women. Saying women are hypergamous yet ignoring the fact that men mainly select women on …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 11:00 PM
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Toxic masculinity is a thing. Toxic masculinity is anything that guys claim is unattractive to women, when in actuality women couldn’t give a shit. An example is any mixed drink with sugar being called a “girly drink”. Also a lot of the TRP behaviors are over exaggerations that are done to help de-program dudes from being simps. You don’t need to be an asshole to be attractive, you just don’t have to bend over backwards and chase. Literally be good looking and fit in socially and there is a woma…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 10:39 PM
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Yea the unfortunate truth is that there will always be people smarter, funnier, or prettier than us. Some people will always be dumber, stale, and uglier than us as well. It’s just a matter of where we fall on the social pyramid (psychologists call it the dominance hierarchy). What’s irritating is having people tell you that personality is all that matters, and then watching more attractive men/women live in a completely different reality based off of how they are treated. I’m not trying to soun…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 10:35 PM
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It’s a negative feedback loop that reinforces itself. If you’re always bullied & at the bottom of the social totem pole then you’re going to end up an anxious, meek mess because you aren’t receiving positive reinforcement. It’s like a parent that only critiques their child, the child will just mentally check out when it comes to going to the parent for advice because they know they will only be hit with negativity. What the anti-bullying campaigns in school get wrong in a sense, is that if peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 04:50 PM
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Honestly, yea lol. I think the cuckoldry is just a mental gymnastic-ego preservation that keeps the man in question from wanting to end his life. It’s like, “if I can’t get sex what can I do about it???” -> and cuckholdry reflects the whole man that wasn’t chosen by a woman and was passed up for another dude, but fetishizes cuckoldry by turning that rejecting negative in to a positive. I don’t really know, but that’s my take
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 03:52 PM
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I agree. And the harsh reality for the male gender is that because 1 man can get 10 women pregnant...and 10 men can’t get 1 woman pregnant. This generally turns men into having to compete against each other. I know women do compete over men as well for their commitment. Keeping the population high/sustainable is important so we need childbirths to hover around 2 on average. Women having child-bearing capabilities biologically gives them inherent value in society. While men need to build their va…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 03:47 PM
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I agree. But looks is important for sexual attraction, because there is a difference between emotional & sexual attraction. The reason the friendzone hurts guys so much is because of this emotional-sexual attraction disparity where the man in question is emotionally attractive but not sexually. So while I agree that you need to be likable, if you don’t have sexual appeal then you’ll be hit with classic lines such as - “you’ll find someone some day”, “there’s a great person out there for you”, “I…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 03:37 PM
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This is no different than the women that enjoy rape fantasies, people have their weird niches/fetishes. It doesn’t mean they want to act it out in actuality. The porn use by men is pretty interesting, because it can be both a cause and an effect for the man in question’s unattractiveness. There are some men that are outright lazy and afraid to leave the house that are content with porn and masterbation. But there are other men that did the whole self-improvement between the gym & philosophy/pers…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 03:28 PM
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Fully agree, as a male it fucked me up as well because a lot of feminism-messaging I received in the early 2000s made it seem like women were perfect angels that could do no wrong. Swallowing the red-pill is really just accepting that women are just as human as men are, and have imperfections to them. I can't speak from the female imperative, but as a guy it's upsetting to see that even in 2020 there are still sentiments that men are oppressing women despite the fact that anecdotally I have noti…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 07:21 AM
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Thank you, this post should honestly be guilded. ​ Reading these replies has such an anti-male bias it's laughable. How can men be expected to improve when they can't change their height/jaw-line? I've been becoming a lot more blackpilled in the past year after going out a lot more often irl. I'm starting to realize that purplepill only has a place for relationships. In terms of raw sexual attraction (which women need before dating a man, and the men are deemed undateable hence the "where have a…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 07:08 AM
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surprised your username hasn't changed to reluctantly_black/maroon. ​ Anyway, yea it's amazing how people still deny the blackpill when all they have to do is spend a few nights going to various bars and watching it play out lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 07:06 AM
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Anecdotally I agree. The issue is that the factors that make men sexually attractive are literally non-changeable factors such as height and jaw-line (face). Grooming, dressing, showering, and personality are largely irrelevant factors to sexual attraction (they only have to be decent, nothing above average). The only factor that can largely sway sexual attraction for men is their status. But yea there is certainly an 80/20 rule to what makes men sexually attractive. Good looks and status make u…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 07:01 AM
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Are you arguing that since women on average are not visually stimulated by most men that they tend to turn to more tangible aspects such as social status and personality as a cope for being attractive to men?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 06:51 AM
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I agree with the fact that the friendzone is un-escapable. I think the truth is that the reason the friendzone is detrimental to men, is because the women are emotionally attracted; but they aren't sexually attracted. That blows the man's ego, because there is nothing he can do to change his height/jaw-line, it's a hurt to him because it's basically destiny in a way in terms of his genetic cap of who he can sexually attract (assuming he isn't fat and is in decent shape). I was told that personal…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 06:48 AM
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Lmao Edit: name checks out LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 06:10 PM
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You linked to the video of a blogger instead of a peer-reviewed journal. Just because Tomassi has legitimate points about society turning men into simps doesn’t mean he has the credentials to explain science
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 05:59 PM
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Quality comments as usual Joe🤙🏻
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 05:52 PM
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In my personal experience, the AF-BB dynamic tends to be more blackpilled, where looks are all that matter in college. And then money (status) has more weight when people are looking for potential marriage prospects, hence the “settling” term that gets thrown around here. I don’t think guys are guilty of this either though by dating the “hot-crazy chick”
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 05:50 PM
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This study hasn’t been reproducible
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 05:43 PM
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Yea I agree. I think the AF/BB strategy is over exaggerated on this subreddit, but your comment is similar to what my mom said to me recently and it seems to reaffirm that AF/BB is practiced by a significant number of people. I’m 22 and graduate this May to give you an idea of where I’m at in life. Personality matters for maintaining a relationship, but it will not get you in one. I learned brutally last summer that it does not factor in to sexual attraction at all (different from dating, emotio…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 12:32 AM
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They want someone interesting & fun that they’re sexually attracted to. And it’s not just one person that this behavior towards has come from. Although yea I did used to get oneitis. I can go out with my more attractive male friends and see how they are treated compared to me. It’s the looks that are the difference maker. Edit: it does depend how attractive the girl in question is. But personality is largely irrelevant from my experiences, as long as you aren’t awkward you’re fine
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 11:37 PM
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Already did that and was met with disgust/rejection
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 11:32 PM
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Disagree, an above average personality with an average look will get you serially-friendzoned
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 10:46 PM
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Growing up in the early 2000s I received the looks don’t matter trope personally, and now trying to play catch up at 22 haha
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 06:54 PM
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Haha
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 10:42 PM
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It’s basically acknowledging that looks matter, and personality/intelligence does not. So people that are good looking are being labeled with a “good genes privilege” aka the usage of the term Chad. Before it was a cope that he’s good looking..but at least he’s stupid! Now it’s just, well...he’s good looking
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 10:25 PM
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I will say that the usage of the name chad (the connotation) has definitely shifted recently. Chad used to refer to a good looking dude that was stupid, basically a stereotypically sports jock. I’ve noticed that since 2018 (and this may be biased on my end, it was around the time I started swallowing the various pills), Chad has been used to describe a dude that is just good looking, smart or stupid. And this isn’t just this subreddit, I’ve seen it echoed irl and on twitter with various memes (v…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 10:21 PM
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The statistic about 28% of men between 18-30 not having sex within a year is pretty damn depressing. I think men will just become more vocal about how looks do matter, hence the self-improvement type of movement (MGTOW except people work to improve), I don’t think any sort of anarchy will occur
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 09:46 PM
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True. I’m glad I learned this before graduating college
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 08:56 PM
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I think acknowledging genetic potential alone is fairly blackpilled tbh. The truth is that it really is hopeless if you’re a guy that’s under 5’6, and have sexually unattractive facial features between a receding chin and unattractive eye area (I’m not saying this is me, it’s not), fortunately these people are not that common and it honestly tends to be a strawman argument that blackpillers make. Women with butterfaces, oily skin, acne, dry-looking hair suffer from the blackpill arguments as wel…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 08:55 PM
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Couldn’t agree more
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 08:11 PM
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Amazing how blackpilled this thread is
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 07:56 PM
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I can assure you it’s a lot worse when you see the more attractive ones in your family having absolutely 0 issues going from one relationship to another. And it’s awful because blue pill programming will say that there’s something wrong with you (personality specifically). There’s a Robin William’s quote about the only thing worse than loneliness is being around people that make you feel lonely...he was so right and it makes me wonder what he was going through before he committed suicide! I just…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 07:50 PM
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I wish I could’ve learned this before turning 22 ;/
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 07:43 PM
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Yes, it’s the same thing
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 07:55 PM
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AMOG only happens because of the “male best friend” being overly protective. The AMOG’er generally has status or an already established relation with the woman in question
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 06:11 PM
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The market will always correct and find a way though. I dislike this whole sky is falling attitude as most people do end up in relationships at the end of the day, even if for economic reasons it’s taking longer for the men to build their value
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 07:11 AM
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And bingo was his name-o Curious to see how gen z raises their children assuming 80/20 is actually true to an extent and a lot of men are sexually frustrated
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 06:46 AM
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Yea - and where the blue pill is right is that you should be trying to climb the socioeconomic ladder because you’ll have better dating prospects. It’s just that the blue pill does not acknowledge other aspects such as social capital/status and lifting/looks that are important for sexual attraction to get into a relationship to begin with
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 06:30 AM
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Because for purely sexual reasons women will only fuck the hottest guys for validation/reinforcement that they’re attractive, since the rationalization is that they must be attractive themself if a top tier dude is willing to have sex with them. Fucking average men is not going to be validating because they’re nothing special sexually, and if anything comes across as a negative due to “slutting it up” which society shames. The difference is that the slut shaming is worth it to risk a gain in val…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 06:25 AM
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If the black woman in question comes from an affluent family then she’s more likely to be a committer than white trash. There are more consequences for divorcing at higher social classes as people tend to care more about their reputation. But yea at the lower classes there isn’t as many repercussions
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 06:15 AM
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I agree but I do think a lot of the infidelity is more of a lower class phenomenon, and the black community is poorer on average. As you climb the socioeconomic ladder, divorce rates fall drastically. The red pill is more about understanding that people can be shitty when facing various conditions such as financial stress
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 06:09 AM
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If 5/10 is average, then my rating is roughly 5-5.5/10. Some more style and hair grooming w/ makeup I could see you pushing around 6-7.5 potentially which would put you in the slightly above average threshold. You do have a great body which makes for a good foundation in terms of hotness. You definitely aren’t ugly like that other dude commenting said, but I wouldn’t notice you if I walked past you in public personally (granted, the blonde sorority girl is more my type so it may be a style misma…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 06:01 AM
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Your posts are always so phenomenal. I would love to see more people actually debate the hyper-masculinity subject area in terms of women feeling jaded “men are pigs” type of sentiment An eye opening thought is when Chris Rock commented on the 50% divorce rate saying that he wonders how many people %-wise are just tolerating their relationships. I do think 7% is too pessimistic, although I do think a cap of 25-30% is reasonable
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 03:09 AM
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Becky, not Stacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 02:57 AM
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Guild worthy, people that give the whole you have to love yourself type of advice have generally been successful romantically and exhibit bias
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 04:19 PM
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This is an exaggeration, there’s a decent amount of 5’6-5’7 dudes that have been able to have serial relationships. I’m 5’9 and have been able to have casual sex. Below 5’6 is when you’re really in trouble. Between 5’6-5’7 height works against you somewhat. 5’8-5’9 is when height is a neutral feature. 5’10-5’11 helps with 6’0 being a decent sexual prospect - barring a terrible body type and ugly face Face (Jawline) > Height >= Racial preference > Personality/Game ^ is roughly the sexual priority…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 05:50 AM
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The red pill came first in the sense that generally high value men were the only ones aware. Think about the English King that made his own religion because Catholicism told him he couldn’t divorce. He wasn’t a true believer but knew how to play the game socially. I’d say religion technically disintegrated before feminism when considering church vs. state became a legitimate divide, but the blue pill narrative was that you should be religious because society wants you to conform and fit in. I wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 05:26 AM
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This aligns with my hypothesis that religion was a necessity to transition from tribalism type of communities into full blown societies when agriculture was discovered as a means of maintaining societies and preventing them from falling apart. Naturally people are impatient and will simply be in it for themselves, they won’t patiently wait to “grasp the big picture” but if you force ideologies in to the mix, then it’s forcing the people to be patient, or in prisoner’s dilemma “stay silent” Assum…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 05:20 AM
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I think your underlying idea mirrors my reply. It’s seen as more valuable but the attraction level is the same
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 04:54 AM
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Nah Katy, men are pushed in a bluepilled manner to be a nice guy. It isn’t until we get to the end of HS/in college assuming we’re fairly social do we start realizing that the nice guy message does not hold up. It leaves men confused and that’s how you end up with a bunch of angry men on the black/red pill subreddits because some of the information will explain a lot of social situations we were in that we didn’t really understand because of all of the blue pill social programming we received gr…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 04:45 AM
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Hahhahaha this would actually make for a good thread topic
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 04:41 AM
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Yea I agree with this. I got in to a debate with one user recently about how come emotional attraction can amplify sexual attraction. My conclusion was mainly that the person already passed the looks-threshold but became more valuable because it was a person that was clearly willing to stick around
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 04:39 AM
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Yea I agree with this, dudes shouldn't be a doormat but it's ridiculous to not be capable of compromising if their partner is willing to compromise.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/20 04:16 AM
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I would only call it manipulation if it’s being done insincerely. If you legitimately enjoy push/pull & teasing I wouldn’t call it manipulative as much as it is having fun. There’s a saying about how a key is valuable if it can unlock many locks (high value guy/player), versus a lock that works on multiple keys (low value girls/whores). The SMP is a brutal place when guys potentially at the top can take all of the fun from the others. Religion and society pressuring monogamy are institutions we …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/20 06:08 PM
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I gave up as well in the sense that I just don’t chase anymore. That energy is better spent building friends/hobbies/money. Mark Manson said in his book models that some people will always hate you, some will always like you, and most will be indifferent. PUA fixates on turning the indifferent people in to liking you, while Manson advocates trying to build yourself up so more people just always like you on average. I think that’s the best route to go. If you count game as having fun as I said in…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/20 04:52 PM
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Yea that’s very true. Being sexually attracted to status never really clicked for me, it would make more sense if it was basically a flex on others from the woman’s end. What made me disillusioned was that I lost around 50 pounds and went from a 3 -> 5.5/10. Again, this is where I’m blackpilled because I’m a 5’8, weak-jawed white dude (my eye area is the only notable attractive feature for me) that’s been working out for the last 3 years and I haven’t been able to really move the needle anymore …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/20 02:52 PM
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It’s not as much lying as it is dishonesty. Female sexual attraction to men was heavily downplayed growing up in the early 2000s. We knew men were attracted to big tits and a fat ass, but girls were attracted to “confidence”. The reality is girls are attracted to square jawed faces and height, but this couldn’t ever be admitted for the sake of society calling a girl that’s honest as being shallow. At least society believed the trope that men were pigs so it was socially acceptable for guys to vo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/20 05:24 AM
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My thought is that the focus should be losing weight and burning fat. I’ve always felt that having a lower body fat % is going to up your looks more than building muscle will. You don’t want to be a string-bean/twig, but you also don’t really need that much muscle either
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/20 05:16 AM
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You both are so spot on. As someone that got a 5.5/10 on r/truerateme I’ve had basically the exact sentiment you guys described. I just wonder what would happen to society if every guy was red/black-pilled in this regard. Sometimes I feel that the blue pill messaging is a necessary evil that keeps the wheels spinning in society, idk. If most men were aware of the SMP, I just wonder how many would start dropping out and just not really participate in society, because “the juice isn’t worth the sq…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/20 05:12 AM
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The one general idea the red pill gets right is that love is based on superficial qualities (looks and status). Ironically terpers bash women for being “shallow”, even though guys are no different by having sex with women they aren’t visually repulsed by. I’m contemplating making a long-winded thread about how women and men are more alike than they are different
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 09:30 PM
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They were either as physically attractive as you or better looking then most likely. I have only seen ugly men with attractive women if the guy had above average status or money. They always have to bring something to the table. Same with how guys will only sleep with women if they’re at least decent looking
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 09:03 PM
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I was thinking of college (I’m 22) when I was typing my opinion out but high school counts as well. I agree, the whole “women like douchebags” trope is completely wrong and misleading for guys to follow. You should be nice (niceness is a bare minimum expectation everyone should have as a standard). What guys get wrong is that they should be nice/compromising (not a doormat) and should be building value as well to make themselves sexually attractive (looks/status, decent money for a family). And …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 08:57 PM
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Fair enough. The point I was making was that some people are trashed in social circles, or aren’t well respected. Some instances it’s because there’s nostalgia with childhood friends (they don’t break things off because the friend isn’t a total liability), other cases it’s because people like using the dude as a punching bag (although those types of people aren’t usually in the immediate circle, it’s more like they’re just a friend of one of their friends in the immediate circle).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 08:36 PM
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That’s because they had status. When they say female sexual attraction is multi-faceted unlike men only caring about looks, it’s because women are attracted to a man’s status as well. I would be willing to bet money that the men you both slept with are well respected by your friends in the shared social circle. But personality can help build status so technically personality does men get laid. Edit: meant to add that it’s worth noting that the looks threshold works on a spectrum. 5/10 men aren’t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 08:32 PM
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I agree for relationship prospects. In terms of casual sex personality won’t get you anywhere
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 07:40 PM
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My mom re-married a dude that already had kids, and she didn’t divorce rape my biological dad if you’re implying my mom is the single mother stereotype. Ironically semi-dread made my mom leave my dad.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 05:40 AM
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More like find a woman like my mother (although I definitely respect the hell out of my stepdad)
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 05:37 AM
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Yea I got lucky being around a stable marriage(?)
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 05:35 AM
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It’s not a fairy tale. My mom and stepdad are living proof of a fairy tale textbook happy marriage. It just happens to be that they like putting in the work (not getting fat, compromising, etc) and reap even more benefits because of the results that come from the work. That’s why the blue pill is on point with compatibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 01:37 AM
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The thought boggling your mind just goes to show how powerful social programming and mob mentalities are as a whole. The issue is that society makes out love to be this mysterious thing/process, so people just ride that notion until otherwise (getting rejected and wanting a partner or being burned by a partner when their needs aren’t met). I think a good parallel example is religion. Concepts in the Bible such as heaven and hell don’t make any sense logically when you think of scientific concept…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 12:02 AM
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I like this take honestly, and it shows how healthy your relationship is since you’re clearly giving effort
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/19 10:35 PM
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Agreed. There’s a reason both sides exist
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/19 10:31 PM
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I agree with this. People take rejection differently
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/19 10:31 PM
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Yea I dislike the 1950s housewife vibe TRP gives off
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/19 10:30 PM
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Please post more often, this is the kind of quality content I come to this sub for
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/19 10:25 PM
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Your point is true but OP’s is as well. FDS and Redpill bring to light the fact that for someone to be wanted in a relationship they need to have value to the other person (looks, money, status). Humans are utility maximizers, they make decisions based on what they “think” will maximize their happiness. I consider both sides radical, but they are right that love is created through superficial aspects (looks, money, status) no matter how people try to twist it. The people that have been burned, w…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/19 10:22 PM
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Men/peasants/slaves were conscripted into armies against their will to fight. Everyone that was in the lower class/standing in the dominance hierarchy has been repressed. If you’ve read up on feminism you would know during the early stages (50s-70s) feminism only cared about middle/upper class white women. If you were a black or poor woman feminism didn’t care about you (yea, women can be crappy to each other). Using your logic - People have been racist for most of human history, doesn’t mean al…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/19 08:37 PM
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Love the over generalization without evidence, it’s just as bad as the misogynist red pillers making blanket statements about every woman. Shows that women and men are a lot more alike personality wise than the FDS/RPers will ever admit.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/19 08:09 PM
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Try to lose weight first and see if you can burn off fat on your face to get your jaw to show more. If that doesn’t help then try to build your status by making more friends which gives you a larger potential dating pool. Keep in mind that 40% of marriages start through mutual friends, and another 20% was through college. You may have to lower your standards looks-wise if you’re still struggling. And I know this is a tough one to swallow. I had to swallow it too, it put me through the anger phas…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/19 03:20 PM
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Most have the luxury if they’re 5’7+, decent face (eye area or jaw), work out, and have the patience to build a respectable career. There’s a reason the saying no relationship > bad relationship exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/19 02:21 PM
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I see relationships as a means for raising your children in a healthy environment. A child needs a mom & dad to understand gender dynamics If you don’t want kids then there probably is no point in a relationship unless you want access to constant sex with a partner
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/19 04:27 AM
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Yea this is the most pinnacle point for us since getting that first job somewhat dictates our career. Honestly if a job has a good long term outlook (in terms of promotion potential and job security, prioritize that over starting salary) then I say move if you can reasonably afford to.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/19 10:49 PM
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Feel you on that. As long as you attract the people that are attracted to you then that’s all that matters. Good luck to you too dude🤙🏻 Edit: it’s not just women that should be filtering, guys need to as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/19 10:26 PM
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Same age as you, subscribe to the same mentality, and ended up in the same situation as you experience wise. The two hook ups I’ve had in my life left me depressed because the type of women weren’t ones I’d LTR. My mom says my pickiness is a good thing, but I’ll definitely say it’s taxing trying to sift through quality people that are not only single, but in to you as well (the rejection from who I perceive as quality has definitely added to that depressed feeling). I will say that inexperience …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/19 05:59 PM
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Be yourself is the advice every mom gives their son. Looking back at it, it makes sense because mannerisms don’t really affect sexual attraction that much so you may as well be yourself. Women not caring as much about looks was something I generally heard, I can’t remember specific people saying it. Doesn’t help that we had movies and tv shows where the awkward guy got the hot girl
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 03:28 PM
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The “be yourself” and “women care less about looks than men do” messages me and other people received growing up in the early 2000s.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 03:08 PM
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Just to add to your point, I’ve seen a lot of people that grew up in the 70s-80s say that they used to date people out of boredom because there wasn’t much else to do. It would make sense with your point about people having access to so many activities today. Interestingly enough though I’ve heard people that were in their 20s in the 1990s say that the dating scene hasn’t really seemed to change even with social media and OLD now. When you consider that the pick up artist movement started around…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 01:03 PM
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I don’t think it’s as much less horniness as it is a willingness to risk rejection. Porn has definitely led to less approaching because it’s an ok alternative for these men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 01:50 AM
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Honestly this post sums up why I ended up switching my flair from purple to [dark] purple. While I’m not entirely in the blackpill camp that it’s game over if you’re not 6+ feet with a perfect jaw, I will definitely say that looks matter way more than society leads you to believe. I hate knowing that someone is only in to me purely because of how I look. It really puts into perspective why the divorce rate is high. If people valued compatibility more then it wouldn’t be over 30%. The bluepill na…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 01:40 AM
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I agree. The hard truth is realizing how love manifests through materialistic qualities
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 01:22 AM
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The OP is arguing that everyone here has the wrong attitude about debating. He’s saying everyone is so close minded there isn’t any substantive debate because it’s people just screaming the same talking points with sarcastic replies sprinkled in. And he’s not wrong about that, although there are some rational users on here fortunately. As blue pill’s legitimacy, I’ll gladly disprove one red pill aspect for you right now and that’s AWALT. My mom divorced my dad, and split child support/time with …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/19 04:24 PM
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I agree with this. I want to add too that the red pill should be used by either gender as a way of acknowledging that marriage isn’t some lovey-dovey happy ending, and people get screwed over if they weren’t careful in their vetting and decision making. What’s annoying is the culty misogyny that comes of it where people are screaming “AWALT!”, even though the same subset of men could/would do the same horrible things if they had the power/capacity to. FDS is no different having an AMALT type of …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/19 02:55 PM
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Yes, you’re reinforcing the OP’s point that picking a specific pill and arguing against the other is just narrow minded “us vs them” beliefs. There’s a reason both pills exist. The world is a little more nuanced than just being “alpha” or “beta”.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/19 02:52 PM
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That was my initial interpretation
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 01:13 AM
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A lot of these ‘incels’ would truly flourish if they groomed themselves and participated in outside activities. People are just either lazy to improve their situation or have unrealistic standards hence the sky is falling attitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 02:16 AM
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Looks (and status) matter purely for sex strictly yea, and naturally gives people more relationship advantage/value because of it which is what the blackpill gets right. Women simply want men that add value to their life, which means they want men that overall have higher societal value than them (hence women date up, men date down/across). Looks/status wise, 5-6/10 women are sexually attracted to 6/10 men (subjective in the sense that some women value height more, jawline more, eye-area more, c…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 12:17 AM
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Because the men are attractive enough to pass a looks-threshold for a relationship, they’re average because looks don’t affect them negatively. 80/20 only applies to casual sex and OLD. Edit: Also as a 5’9, weak jawline male I’ve been able to have casual sex. So I am able to fall asleep
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 11:43 PM
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If you’re below average it is. Anyone that’s 5/10 or higher can be successful it’s simply more of an uphill battle.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 11:34 PM
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The blackpill is downplayed by society, but it is far from the end all be all, unless you are that severely unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 11:24 PM
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Wow, this is pretty spot on
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 11:16 PM
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Unintellectual*
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/19 01:59 PM
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A society as in a complete make up of various cultures. What’re you arguing. The society you live in is the reason you’re on Reddit posting on PPD interacting with people like me
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/19 01:30 AM
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That’s not the point of my example. The point is that we live in a society where vastly different cultures interact with each other and have an impact.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/19 01:29 AM
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The majority of those who voted* fixed the technicality.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/19 01:19 AM
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Multiple cultures that still interact with each other albeit indirectly. ​ The majority of the US population is pissed Trump won, but he won because demographics in the US (blue collar workers) were unhappy with current conditions, as an example. If you're son/daughter was killed by Elliot Rodgers, odds are you would become more sensitive to the male sexlessness issue (mental health situation technically, men committing suicide in your family due to sexlessness would be a better example actually…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/19 01:15 AM
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The system referring to society in his comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/19 12:54 AM
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Yea the statistics do make everything discouraging
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/19 11:55 AM
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Uhhh 20% is huge from a proportion standpoint. If you take 50 million marriages in the US and 18 million end in divorce (35% divorce rate let’s say). Of those 18 mil divorces, 12.6 mil are initiated by the wife (5.4 mil by the husband in contrast). To reach the 70:30 ratio of divorce initiation There’s an underlying issue in regards to gender dynamics why the wife has been unsatisfied significantly more. If the ratio was maybe 40:60 at the worst then I would agree it’s not a big difference
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/19 09:08 PM
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“Social science doesn’t tell us anything meaningful about the world” What about the the psychologist, sociologist, and behavioral economists who have made a lot of contributions and are hired by corporate America to bolster their sales? The evidence also compounds seeing that only 30% of divorces are initiated by men https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-new-resilience/201508/women-initiate-divorce-much-more-men-heres-why%3famp These studies are pretty eye-opening when…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/19 08:13 PM
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I agree with all of this. Just curious, what % of the men/women your age that you’ve known for a longtime stayed attractive by staying fit?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/19 01:55 AM
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Guild-worthy comment
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/19 01:50 AM
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Underrated show
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/19 08:01 PM
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This is how you get unproductive conversation
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/19 07:54 PM
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Yea. r/Askmen actually had a big thread yesterday on that, and the men reported a more intense attraction to their SO when the chemistry was there. My argument is that emotional and sexual attraction are completely separate. If you’re an 8/10 looks wise, and you develop a connection with someone that’s a 1-6/10 odds are that person is ending up friend-zoned (controlling for their social status). You need a personality to maintain a relationship, but it won’t get you in one (without factoring in …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/19 04:13 PM
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People are more inclined to stay in their lane if multiple people [reasonably] call them out
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/19 07:24 AM
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I meant to get around to replying to this but never did. Connections make people more attractive in terms of friendships/relationships, but does not affect sexual attraction. Relationship value works on a spectrum, and people make efficient decisions based on what they see in terms of boyfriend/girlfriend material Connections are going to weigh in more when comparing a looks-wise 6/10 person to a looks-wise 7/10 person. The 6/10 is going to potentially be deemed higher value to that respective p…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/19 02:59 AM
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You should always defend people (women AND men) if the defending is justifiable i.e the harrassers are out of control. Saying something along the lines of " r/relationships favor women because they communicate better than men" is a mentality you should never get caught up in thinking. Overgeneralizing anything is a lazy attempt at conjuring up arguments. It's always the rejected men/women that bash the opposite sex the most in an overgeneralized manner ("all men are pigs" & "all women are whores…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/19 02:46 AM
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Yea I 100% agree with you. What I said earlier was technically incorrect. What I meant to say was that personality can only hurt or is neutral towards sexual attraction, it can’t help it imo. Personality can improve your logistics by having better/more friendships which give you more opportunities to meet more people though.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/19 01:04 AM
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Pretty much this is my experience as well. And was where it became cemented in me that personality is irrelevant when it comes to sexual attraction. Period. Where guys get sexual attraction wrong is they believe they have an insane amount of control over it since our gender is problem-solving oriented. But the reality is outside of having low-body fat & showing social competence during a conversation there isn’t much else that can be improved - barring cosmetic surgery. Status is the only thing …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/19 06:44 PM
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The only thing though is that looks cap out at a certain point without cosmetic surgery.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/19 06:41 PM
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Some people have tried to improve and it didn’t change their dilemma at all - that is why the blackpill became a thing after the redpill
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/19 06:34 PM
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/r/BlackPillScience22/10/19 01:22 AM
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Let’s say that 40/60 at the very least has legitimacy. 60% of women wanting 40% of the men means there’s still a shortage of men to go around. I think the unfortunate reality for a lot of these men is that they have to be settled for, or a lot of women just end up never marrying. If you go on r/dataisneautiful and search Tinder, it exemplifies 80/20 from just a pure physicist attention standpoint
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 06:46 PM
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Again, how much you improve your looks depends on your genetic potential. Improvement is not the same for everyone. If you’re 6’0+, can put on muscle naturally (not everyone can deadlift 300+ pounds no matter how hard they work barring steroids), not balding just not groomed, and having a faster metabolism leading to naturally being lean. You’re going to go way farther than the guy that is short, balding, naturally skinny-fat, and struggles to put on muscle. Someone may not be deficient in all o…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 02:44 PM
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Nah I would’ve put /s
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 02:26 PM
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I agree with everything you said except genetic potential meaning very little. Intelligence and good looks generate a lot more opportunity for people. It will put you in higher demand in the dating market. Being attractive to a subset of women generally comes down to physical attractiveness. Barring some outliers, most couples that get together are within 2 points using the 1-10 attractiveness scale. While it is true that people from similar backgrounds pair up (EDM/rave, religious, redneck type…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/19 10:29 PM
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I can get on board with this trend kind of. I don’t think the needle has moved much historically with men trying to become above average. I don’t think social media or the internet in general has changed the motivation level in people (if anything, it has a negative consequence of being a distraction. Hence my point about frequent lurkers here living largely uninteresting lives). But everyone has different genetic potential, which is why even if everyone busted their butt off, they still can’t g…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/19 09:28 PM
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As someone lurking in this sub for 2 years, u/skratt is spot on about the fact that if you’re on this sub constantly, you’re [likely] living an uninteresting/unproductive life. I am definitely guilty of this. I’m only 22, so my experiences can only be drawn from college. The 80/20 rule is definitely legitimate for casual sex. Which is scary as a male, because any male not in that 20% (that has red pill awareness, because anyone that is blue pilled will disagree with this assessment) is probably …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/19 08:45 PM
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Your posts are always top notch
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/19 06:01 AM
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I agree, the only difference I see is marriages are happier on average if the man is confident and not a doormat
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/19 04:26 PM
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What I’m saying is that you can’t punch above your attraction level. Especially when every guy starts exhibiting the same behavioral patterns. I agree most people end up in LTRs - if every man practiced RP then 5/10 men & women would pair up, 8/10 men & women would pair up etc. With the exception of money throwing off the numbers slightly. The biggest change is that marriages would be overall happier (I don’t believe in dread game, but do believe women want confident hubbies).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/19 02:35 PM
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Not everyone can be at the top, hence why I said there would be a higher level of blackpill’ed selection playing out. Edit: wealth is the only red pill competition people could fight over Second edit: looks and appearance can only change you as much as your genetic potential. I lost 50 pounds after high school and dressed better. I went from ugly to average
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/19 02:06 PM
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If every man applied RP concepts, then the blackpill would take hold. Because the only separating difference between people would be how good looking they are and how much money they earn.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/19 02:08 AM
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5’9. Height isn’t a negative factor as long as you’re over 5’7. I know 5’7 guys that do well for themselves such as my married brother (unsurprisingly they have more masculine faces haha). Being over 6’0 would definitely help though, but I’m not insecure about my height since it doesn’t largely affect me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/19 06:11 PM
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I feel that in my case I got shafted because of my social-ecosystem. I’m the least attractive between my two older brothers & female cousins (I did r/truerateme a while back and got 5.5/10 & textbook definition of decent looking on my post). So my bros are around the 6-7/10 range while my female cousins are 8-9/10 range to give an idea. Both never really struggled in the dating scene because they inherently had value-conveying red pill qualities & great personalities through confidence/comedy wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/19 09:17 PM
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The last paragraph hits home with me big time.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/19 10:14 PM
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The truth is that no one person wants to be manipulated, we would be upset if we saw women were trying to employ tactics to seduce us (in a disingenuous manner).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 09:28 PM
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I see what you’re saying. The best case would be to try to sit on 5 - you get interest & act on it, with the behavioral mindset that “it’s not a big deal”’(you can act on it & care less about rejection). It’s a matter of who’s able to walk away first
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 05:45 AM
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I am too dude, I’m only 21. I have the benefit of two older brothers (one more red pill, the other more blue pill). I’ve had the opportunity to watch their mistakes and be weary of making the same. Which is why I’ve never sucked myself in to any LTR yet. People our age generally lean more red pill in general, because they want to have fun. Unfortunately I never had a father figure that could teach me dominance & assertiveness, which is something I’ve struggled & been working on. I was blue pill’…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 07:07 PM
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Short term varies (several months to several years). The point I’m making is that being full on red pill (without any form of comfort, which would be purple) won’t allow you to maintain relationships & ultimately a marriage if the woman is high value enough that she knows she can find a guy just as confident that can provide comfort as well. You may ask what my opinion on r/marriedredpill is since I don’t believe redpill makes for marriage material (entirely). If anything the husbands are purple…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 06:12 PM
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Your situation is similar to mine (and most men that swallow the red pill). You were providing too much comfort & not enough value. So you’ve seen improvements in that regard by bringing value to the table. The issue is that it’ll only bring short term success. Too much value will backfire & drive people away. You need a healthy balance of both (there’s a reason both sides/pills exist)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 05:46 PM
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The reason I consider myself purple is because blue & red pill behaviors are attractive to different women. Ultimately every person is different. You don’t want to be a doormat (extreme blue pill), but you don’t want to live a life where you don’t value the bonds you build with the opposite gender (extreme red pill). I’m purple - yet believe (know) AWALT, branch swinging do exist. So where is the line drawn?: Red pill: Women are shitty and are hypergamous. Purple pill: People are shitty and are …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 05:55 PM
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All good haha
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/18 04:33 PM
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I said they can be. You can be logical intelligent, and have a shitty personality (easily jealous, selfish, insert any negative emotional trait).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/18 04:27 PM
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My brother’s 2nd girlfriend was an introverted/smart UMC class woman. She ended up being manipulative, which she learned from her mother. But my brother left her because she was so clingy (an example of this is she got mad that he took an Instagram picture with our own sister in their bathing suits). However, when the relationship was just about over - she had met some guy downtown at one of the bars (we think she did this as more of a shit test to gauge how jealous my brother would be). She als…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/18 02:19 PM
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expressed bullshit exactly opposite of the canon. (E.g. women can be “alpha.”) Uhhhh there are dominant women out there bro
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/18 02:40 AM
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Assuming all of the factors mentioned in the OP stand: Lies about anything (small or big) unless there’s genuinely a legitimate reason behind it. Doesn’t want kids If the majority of her family is crazy/weird (it’s one thing if dad is out of the picture. It’s another if both of her parents & extended family will be a bad influence on my children).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/18 09:31 PM
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Todd V backup channel: https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCyGenL5JGetq3I5-cNMAW3A There’s also a video that has an hour of his infield footage: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AbSU2zM5wnI
/r/seduction05/07/18 09:21 PM
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I agree with most of this, however having the inner game knowledge of knowing how to efficiently screen for logistics & place yourself in the right demographic where you’re going to see the most success in terms of compatibility with large groups of people will help.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/18 01:00 AM
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Already explained why - the people that are going to give you the time of day that will respond to OP’s relationship remark will respond to the sibling remark as well. And you’re less likely to get a negative reaction because it’s better to steer clear from sexual as an opener
/r/seduction30/06/18 02:11 PM
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Instead of going sexual as an opener, asking them if they’re related (brother-sister, Cousins) will garner the same results, and if you get negative feedback (“we’re boyfriend-girlfriend fuck off”) it’ll be a lot softer as you didn’t ask a relationship based question. If they respond positively where it’s yes or no (“nah lol we’re dating”, or “yes! How can you tell??”) you can easily follow up with being able to sense their chemistry or how similar they look & push from there.
/r/seduction30/06/18 04:31 AM
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Phenomenal post
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 09:32 AM
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Giving a range since people place more value on certain attributes more than others: SMV = 5.5-7.5 (r/truerateme said I was a roughly between 5.5-7.0. 5’8 height being what mainly holds me back). RMV = 8.0-9.5 (harder to gauge due to inexperience. But I’m great at rapport building) I’d date/marry an SMV minimum of 7.0. And an RMV minimum of 9.0
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/18 02:00 AM
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I agree optimism is attractive. And I definitely believe there’s a correlation between optimism & physical hotness. My question is how strong the correlation is
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 03:20 PM
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While I agree that Women generally are looking for fun for the most part in their teens & early 20s. There are those that do settle early.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 02:10 PM
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The question asks how physically attractive you are, optimism is emotionally attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/18 05:27 PM
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I like how there’s a question about rating your looks & how optimistic/pessimistic you are. Interesting to see if people that say they’re optimistic tend rate themselves higher looks wise
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/18 05:09 PM
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It seems that your post is asking people whether or not it’s ok for the woman in the marriage to be the provider. And if it’s weird to be childless at 35. Look, you shouldn’t get too caught up in gender roles, at the end of the day - if your current hubby is worth providing for (he’s a great listener, great personality, interesting, also being hot is a bonus😉) then more power to you. My mom left the upper class lifestyle when she divorced my dad, and remarried someone in the upper-lower class. S…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/18 08:27 PM
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Since happiness is what we strive for, I’ll take the happy beta route as long as I’m not screwed in the end (happiness lasts until I die).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/18 02:37 PM
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That’s awesome that you weren’t treated lower than by leaving your job! Unfortunately it wasn’t like that with my mom’s marriage to my dad when she stopped working after the 2nd kid (I was the 3rd & last). When she ultimately divorced him when I was 3, he told her along the lines that her lack of status would not keep her 3 sons in her life as we got older. 18 years later he was wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/18 02:53 AM
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You were appealed more so to his RMV than you were his SMV. RMV = emotional appeal. SMV = sexual appeal. Great chemistry, and he’s ambitious? You were attracted to him emotionally. Of course that doesn’t mean he’s unattractive. Looks generate interest, personality wins the interest over. SMV is a culmination of physical attraction (tall, fit, masculine face), personality (good at hitting sexual triggers by flirting & teasing), and status (other women are chasing after him because they’re sexuall…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/18 03:34 PM
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Social skills takes practice like any skill. But being flirty with everyone makes you congruent & takes away the predatory vibe. I don’t like the philosophy of hitting on people you’re not attracted to (less attractive girls) as practice though. Getting rejected by people you’re attracted to should motivate you to improve as a person
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/18 04:26 AM
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The thing though is that platonic = boring, so if someone is only going to converse platonically it means they’re just along for the ride as in, not really that interested talking but they’re just doing it to appease you. It feels like I’m talking to a brick wall when I give off a positive-energetic-friendly vibe, only to get neutral-low energy responses (you can laugh and whatnot without being flirty😉). As for your 2nd point about filtering out guys, that’s why guys should be persistent until t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 02:30 PM
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Thank you for you reply, it was really informative. I never understood why a guy didn't see how what you callrd hot/cold behavior meant we wanted to be friendly but he should tone it down. In my case I felt that I couldn't really flirt because I was only getting logical & platonic responses so I was only agressive in the sense that I was persistently trying to chat, which again I should've cued in on but didn't. Sub-communicating that the guy should tone it down means that she still has interest…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 01:42 AM
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I’d prefer a direct “I’m not interested”. Had a case in my math class this year where I pursued someone, she just went along with the conversation for the most part when I’d talk after class (she kept it logical and platonic which was the first lack of interest indicator I didn’t pick up on), she never went out of her way to talk to me, it was me doing the chasing the entire time (too naive to pick up on this lack of interest as well haha). What agitated me was that this led to hot/cold behavior…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 12:56 AM
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There are two scenarios that could take place, and nothing good comes from either: Guy meets girl, he’s pushing for sex but she resists because she wants to get to know him better. Guy pretends to be a good listener, and builds rapport only with the intent of winning her trust. They do the deed, he ghosts afterwards as he doesn’t want ‘emotional baggage’. He then brags to his buddies, pulling up her instagram/Facebook, and brags about how “it only took 4 weeks to get her to sleep with me”. The g…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 01:58 PM
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It’s not okay to lie to women to get sex unless it’s a ONS & you’ll never see her again + the lie won’t hurt her or anyone else in some manner (like claiming you don’t have an STD when you do). As for hiding your intentions it depends on how you define it: In the PUA industry they’re now advocating being direct from the get go “hey I think you’re cute and I’d be kicking myself if I didn’t come over and talk to you”. That’s unusual & unattractive behavior, period. Because it’s putting pussy on a …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 03:46 AM
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Turning 21 in a few weeks and it’s easy once the momentum gets rolling (just transferred from a commuter school to university). But yea it’s pretty tough initially
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 04:07 PM
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I'm very new to redpill and bluepill in their entirety. But I would enterpret severe redpill as a mysogynist. While blue pill is a severe feminist (feminism by definition is egalitarianism though, but the connotation is that it's women being treated better than men in society). So I recind my comment, egalitarian is basically the definition of purple pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 01:56 AM
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My mindset aligns with yours (If Women AWALT, then therefore men AMALT). I'd say that makes you a purple pill though, egalitarian is more of a blue pill concept.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 09:57 PM
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I'm familiar with Todd V. I've watched most of his youtube stuff and saw his "winner game" course, I was considering that maybe the problem was with direct game. I also considered: "Well, there's this subreddit full of people that praise direct game Keep in mind the kind of people that lurk on this sub haven't had the success with women that they've wanted...which is why they're here. The ones that have succeeded with direct game are only seducing women that would have reciprocated regardless (t…
/r/seduction08/05/18 12:08 AM
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I’ve approached almost 60 times at my University, many were 2 - 6 people. Most were uncomfortable on the open or exchanging numbers. I’ve never gotten a date. I don’t even try to talk to them when I see them, I don’t know how to make them trust me. Think about it from their perspective, a random guy is approaching them out of the blue. Empathy was useless When I see they’re uncomfortable I try to be empathetic and acknowledge that what I’m doing is random/forward. Because the fact of the matter …
/r/seduction07/05/18 05:39 PM
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21M here, your post is spot on imo. I hung around a nerdy crowd in high school that fall in to your group of shy/introverted guys that didn't change who they were post-high school. Meanwhile I fell in to the 2nd group, realizing I was unsatisfied with my social life in general (not even just women, but the fact that I lost commonality with my high school circle, so men as well). Which is why I got in to pickup after my first 2 years of college. Then there are the naturals such as my brother, and…
/r/seduction07/05/18 02:47 PM
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M20, I have seen when I've flirted that the women will suddenly act very dainty. But the daintiness becomes so sudden that it feels unwarranted. Imo the reason they've done this is to gauge how attracted I really was towards them (to see whether I'll escalate even more). Because I've gotten that unwarranted/manipulative dainty vibe I tend to pull back. Funny enough it seems to appear true, because the daintiness goes away as I pull back. I've had a case where my co-worker that knew I was in to h…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 01:32 AM
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I’m flirty/friendly with just about everyone. I don’t “put pussy on a pedestal”, buy things or give unwarranted compliments as a means of emotional bribery. It’s really more or less that I’m not going to escalate on people I’m not physically attracted to
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/18 01:52 PM
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20M here: I went from (guy on left) https://imgur.com/av5boaM to (50 pounds lighter) https://imgur.com/uhElnL8 I lost my weight shortly after turning 19. I've had two girls in particular show strong IoIs (indicator of interest), but I wasn't physically attracted to them. I've noticed more glances my way for sure, and more positive social reciprocation in general. A crazy thing I noticed is that people are willing to hold a door open for me longer, than they did when I was fat. With that said, it…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/18 06:29 PM
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I would say do both. Boys and Girls are basically two sides of the same coin. Despite fundamental differences between likes & dislikes, and behavior (think masculine/feminine). Boys and Girls still want attention, and to be loved. With that said for baby steps' sake it's going to be more useful by primarily socializing with guys. The reason being is that they'll generally reciprocate more (with women there's always the underlying principle of seduction/sex).
/r/seduction27/04/18 09:00 PM
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It's Schrödinger's cat until we can find out what's actually the case. Why are you responding to calls that we go in with a clean slate and no assumptions, by apparently arguing that we should go in with assumptions? Schrödinger's pussy huehuehue. Anyway, what I'm saying is that the odds aren't in one's favor, but it doesn't hurt to try regardless. If you have the option of spinning a wheel that gives a 1/100 chance of winning money, with slight reprucussions (briefly damaged ego due to rejectio…
/r/seduction25/04/18 03:41 PM
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This is kind of turning into one of those glass half-empty, glass half-full sort of situations. Whatever the odds are, the best mindset is to get our asses in there and find out what the reality is. The thing though is that the probability/likelihood is the reality (that's a good reason as to why always assume attraction is such a powerful frame, to succeed with the on paper-unlikely instances). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socioeconomic_mobility_in_the_United_States#Intragenerational_mobility …
/r/seduction25/04/18 01:39 AM
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No one was talking about "opportunities," or whether or not they "help" at all or not. It says that they don't matter overly much. Looked up the definition of overly to make sure we're on the same page. It depends on the demographic you're appealing to. As a general rule of thumb, you're correct that money & looks is not excessively necessary for every woman. However, women with higher socioeconomic standing are more likely to emotionally appeal to men with higher socioeconomic standing, because…
/r/seduction24/04/18 04:39 PM
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You’re spot on. To add to that too, if you want a relationship that’s genuine, in which the value is placed more so on emotion (personality compatibility), too much money can hurt you there as well as you attract more gold diggers as well. All you need to do is make enough to support a family, that’s good enough for being a provider (depending on the girl’s social class though, you need to make more to be in a provider frame for higher socioeconomic aka “higher maintenance” Women).
/r/seduction24/04/18 01:26 AM
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I disagree with Paradigm shift #2, and #9. Looks and money will generally give you more opportunities whether it's rushing greek life in college, or her giving you more chances if you act in an unattractive manner. It's not the sole decider, but they do help (it also contradicts the Paradigm about converting from lover to provider to an extent, if you think about it. You need money to be a provider lol). 9 is simply inner game, framed in a positive way to help people embrace rejection. The true …
/r/seduction23/04/18 06:39 PM
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The only thing that I personally needed after Tao of Badass was being better at push/pull as I give too much attention to everyone (guys & girls in general). Corey Wayne’s 3% man helped me with that tremendously. His touch body language seminar (watched it on YouTube) improved my interactions with people dramatically.
/r/seduction21/04/18 01:21 PM
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Great insight! Tao of Badass was phenomenal for me, Josh’s content really taught me outer game & helped me rationalize my inner game.
/r/seduction20/04/18 09:18 PM
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Unfortunately a lot of people lack emotional intelligence, and put too much emphasis on physical attraction imo. My mom & stepdad both divorced my dad & stepdad’s ex wife after being in 15 years of their respective marriages before they found each other. The emphasis I’ve learned from the lives they lived is being able to find compatibility while learning how to behave in an attractive manner (that doesn’t betray who you are or who you want to be).
/r/seduction17/04/18 06:02 PM
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The point of game is to tailor to your style, the beauty of humanity is that everyone has different personalities & everyone has their likes & dislikes, meaning that different things are attractive to people. Tailoring to your style is figuring out how to become the best version of yourself. With that said, everyone has different tastes in attraction, but there are still general principles that are applicable to the majority of the population. Being that direct verbally will work...but only on p…
/r/seduction17/04/18 12:30 PM
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Todd Vandehey disagrees... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQGBDNdlU3I Being that direct only works if you're on the same level of physical attraction. Even if your tone & confident body language is on point, you still have to rely on the other person to reciprocate. A lot of people are going to be caught off guard by this, because it's not a common thing people do. Being indirect verbally, and direct with body language is more effective, because it creates more mystery as one can only make assu…
/r/seduction17/04/18 02:07 AM
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Jack Manley TV? lol
/r/seduction10/04/18 09:42 PM
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Hobbies in the context of this sub Reddit are usually in the form of going out, and not playing video games Going outside of the house is the only way you’re going to meet & seduce people. they are done in the context of self Improvement and never out right enjoyment. Except the beauty is that it may be something someone comes to actually like doing and cements it as an emotional belief as something they enjoy doing. If you want to attract people that you’re attracted to...then you have to bring…
/r/seduction22/03/18 03:02 AM
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He did one over in Philly back in January...I was so tempted to go. If he does one in DC I’m pulling the trigger on tickets
/r/seduction22/03/18 02:38 AM
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Disagree with the last bullet point heavily because the person may find that he likes a new hobby he’s trying out. It’s not a good life experience in general. With that said I do agree that inner game tends to be over-emphasized, it’s like modern RSD with the woo-woo feel good advice that isn’t practical.
/r/seduction22/03/18 01:40 AM
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I saw that - hope he has a seminar some time on the east coast
/r/seduction22/03/18 01:36 AM
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For the most part, gaming at the gym is a big no-no due to risk. If you make it blatantly obvious you're trying to get your dick wet while working out you'll build a reputation as the guy that tries to pick up girls - it's going to be a closed community particularly if you go at a certain time/day of the week. You can not approach directly. Your attitude when it comes to the gym, should be to build friends & approach indirectly. Examples of approaching indirectly: -The gym is adding turf and/or …
/r/seduction21/03/18 01:30 AM
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Right - because my mom, stepsister, and cousins who all have thousands of Instagram followers (except my mom obviously) have endless bodycounts even though all of them were/are at the top of the food chain in high school & college. /s The more vaginas you talk to, the more you learn that every girl is different. There isn’t a magic-universal formula to get in to every girl’s pants, because each one has various likes/dislikes, turn ons/offs. Kind of like, you know those humans that have a sausage…
/r/seduction19/03/18 01:57 AM
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Both felt they were being underpaid, they did not approve of the managing of the company, and did not like the company's overall direction (RSD is very politically correct, woo woo inner game now). Therefore, they both wanted to start their own company. RSD would not let Todd make his own seduction company (RSD tried to patent seduction teaching). As Todd & RSD had their falling out, RSD did shitty things such as taking control of a paypal account that's linked to Todd's Social Security, and tak…
/r/seduction17/03/18 05:57 PM
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This is laughable, there are people out there that are like that yes. However, don't generalize the entire population
/r/seduction17/03/18 05:51 PM
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Me: bummer.. Others have already mentioned this but yea, that is not something you'd want to text as it conveys negativity (keep texting to strictly positive vibes to avoid misinterpretations). It's not a big deal, just wait a few days (right before you know she may be logistically available), and hit her up then. She's already met you in person so she has an initial idea of who you are. For future reference if someone tells you they can't meet up (whether it's a girlfriend/woman or a friend/man…
/r/seduction17/03/18 05:05 PM
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If that's the case then you still converse on a friendly level "how's your day", "what've you been up to lately", crack jokes. But indicate with your body language your intent. You'd be surprised how many men/women are "friends" then get in to something once both are logistically available. It's almost like a romantic waitlist if anything, lol.
/r/seduction17/03/18 04:52 PM
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Yea I found out about RSD in September right after he quit. Their content didn’t do it for me, but everyone kept hyping Todd up...I can see why his stuff is phenomenal (especially since he’s not forced shove RSD’s agenda down everyone’s throat).
/r/seduction06/03/18 12:51 PM
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The "you're cute and I would be kicking myself if I didn't come talk to you" canned opener is awful. Todd Vandehey breaks down why that is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQGBDNdlU3I The issue is you're giving all of your power away, there's no build up or interest/excitement. I recommend checking Todd's videos out in general, they'll point you in the right direction.
/r/seduction05/03/18 08:38 PM
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Todd Vandehey has great outer & inner game advice. Best PUA out there imo, he breaks everything down to a technical level. His relationship manifesto video was truly eye-opening. His other 2 manifesto videos are solid as well + his 10 minute videos are great. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCo9XJennsRNhyPbXCq6e8aw Tao of Badass (Audiobook), is a great outer game book. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsP810OOWKM&list=PLZ8d9ubLHFQiwSQDNFbqaFQ7BgBihHHVD
/r/seduction05/03/18 08:31 PM
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Because his content is phenomenal. Relationship manifesto alone taught me more than anything RSD ever did
/r/seduction02/03/18 11:34 AM
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Did y’all watch Todd’s texting video today?? Mind blowing, he’s amazing
/r/seduction02/03/18 03:58 AM
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The biggest thing really is to maximize your social potential by figuring out your style. There are various ways for us to reach the same goal, the differing personalities, and people that positively reciprocate towards you is why figuring out your strengths/style is crucial! It’s not as much the words themselves (they do matter but not as much surprisingly in terms of seeking reciprocation) as much as it is how they come out through confidence/intent (body language as well). Funny enough in the…
/r/seduction24/02/18 12:56 AM
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Bingo, couldn’t have said it better. Particularly the wallpaper analogy because truth be told you’re not thinking long term with that mentality
/r/seduction22/02/18 01:23 PM
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It’s such a shame that the social perception on game is that it is strictly manipulative. Because it naturally does improve other areas of your life (if living a proactive lifestyle is what one has always wanted to live but didn’t know how to go about it). Understanding how we operate socially & emotionally is so crucial, because it is impossible to succeed in life without interacting with others. I agree with the notion of your comment of wanting someone that will come along for the ride, it’s …
/r/seduction22/02/18 01:28 AM
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I disagree with the 4th point, but I see what you're trying to say. Instead, you should approach while you're building up your inner game. Outer game improves inner game, just as inner game improves outer game (as you outlined in this post). Outer game helps with inner game because it naturally makes you feel more confident, by learning push-pull/banter/flirting you feel more accustomed to conversing in general. You can learn about how cars work, but you have to get down and actually work on the…
/r/seduction21/02/18 11:46 PM
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It's not a big deal if you own it confidently. "Nah I've never had sex". If you answer in an insecure manner (eyes down, quietly/nervously) you're more likely to get a negative/dramatic reaction, because if you're treating it like a big deal then that might propel her to treat it like a big deal. I get why those that are older are likely to be less confident, but if you own it confidently, and she asks why then tell her honestly, you know the reason after all. "I was shy for a long time, I had a…
/r/seduction01/02/18 04:41 PM
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The only thing you could argue that #metoo has affected is that Pick Up's social stigma has gotten worse than it already is (in the manipulative sense). With that said, being too sexual or over-escalating has always been not only frowned upon, but a turn off for most people. This only affects celebrities, not the average man.
/r/seduction01/02/18 04:33 PM
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It helps for sure but it isn't necessary, at most it's a green flag for her aka an indicator.
/r/seduction30/01/18 07:44 PM
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There’s a time & place for approaching. Mark Manson was spot on when he said that friendships & relationships are all conditional. There’s always going to be a level of friction with everybody you meet (with the cashier chick it’s that she’s at work & busy, not having time to talk).
/r/seduction20/01/18 10:52 PM
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I don’t know, I’m not a big fan of FB messenger. In that case I’d rather just get their phone #. Snapchat has a lighter-friendlier vibe to it where people can see what you do in day to day life.
/r/seduction20/01/18 06:34 PM
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Big thing I’ve learned with Tinder is for the most part you have to pump out responses in a brief period of time (1-10 mins) because of all the matches people get, you have to keep the attention on you. If the person isn’t consistently responding fast (it’s usually a no go). I go for snapchats close to immediately as well & that also tells you quickly if there is some interest, instead of beating around the bush (probably about 5 messages later tops, depending on how flaky the person is. I may s…
/r/seduction20/01/18 06:15 PM
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Short answer: yes. She doesn’t know you & you don’t know her. Both of you have to be warmed up with each other socially to an extent (unless you have male model-level looks and she’s that overwhelmed with attraction for you physically). Make small talk initially. Ask her how her work shift is, make a joke that has context to both of you (maybe the coffee machine makes a funny noise, compare it to something ridiculous). If you’re a regular at the place she works at, try making a comment/joke abou…
/r/seduction20/01/18 05:02 PM
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Listened to it as an audiobook around May of last year. Basically it’s a book talking about how various social figures we’re able to seduce various people in various times in history using various methods. Some of the people Greene dissects that were seducers & their methods include JFK, Bill Clinton, and Cleopatra. Because the book is written in a more ambiguous manner, it’s not a practical read for trying to learn outer game. There was nothing in Art of Seduction that I applied in the real wor…
/r/seduction20/01/18 04:51 PM
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Canned openers are stupid unless the girl has nothing in her bio to go off of or says she likes cheesy pick up lines. You’ll have more success coming up with something witty that’s written in her bio. On my best Tinder lay, the girl’s bio said “I’m sorry but I’d choose Channing Tatum over you” My opener was “Change your bio. You’d do a double take on Channing Tatum if you met me😏”. It had a positive-flirty response, brief convo, got her Snapchat & the rest is history. Cheesy pick up lines are ok…
/r/seduction20/01/18 04:44 PM
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The biggest pointer is that if you have an agenda (in this case it’s trying to seduce one particular person in the group, then make your rounds), do not let your agenda leak directly/indirectly to the other members of the group. Indirect examples of this is overly flirting (borderline sexually aggressive), and making out in front of other people in the group. Directly is trying to get someone in the group to wing you & help set you up with one of the girls in the group (unless it’s someone that …
/r/seduction20/01/18 07:22 AM
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It’s generally more advanced/attractive to go the indirect route in interactions, because it has a less needy vibe (you can be confident directly but you put your cards on the table too early. And going direct is basically a shotgun method of asking constantly “do you like me” until someone sticks). With that said, going direct is better more so in an environment that’s going to have higher than average energy, and sexuality in the atmosphere in general (bars/clubs). There’s a time & place for p…
/r/seduction20/01/18 06:54 AM
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While this is true, unfortunately a lot of times the poster does not give enough logistics to turn it in to an advanced conversation (potential IoIs, the social context).
/r/seduction19/01/18 07:09 PM
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Game is like a pile of ant. They build strength while working together and weak while working alone. Lmao yes thats a weird way to put it. But it is what it is. I feel like that applies more so specifically to validation/social proof (although it does help with game). You need social skills/intelligence to an extent just to build friendships alone, and it is possible to game alone aka no wings (example is classroom setting, or any setting where no one knows each other). Of course I've never unde…
/r/seduction19/01/18 06:30 PM
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What are you looking for/consider as intermediate advice? Socializing works mainly off of momentum (think trying to move a wheel) by getting someone off their feet, pointed in the right direction. From what I've gathered, most people here want to use this sub to get at least a ONS or girlfriend & move on (could be wrong it's just a hunch). Once people have at least gotten a rough idea of what works for them they roll with it. Only thing I can think of that tends to be trickier is figuring out so…
/r/seduction19/01/18 05:35 PM
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She's not putting you anywhere that you're not already She's right about this. There's a difference between falling in to and putting you in the friendzone. She's saying that the way the friendzone works is that people fall in to it naturally by not generating sexual tension/comfort, instead they're only generating emotional tension/comfort aka a friend. While she believes that the idea of the friendzone is that women put men in it after they're being nice & expect to be rewarded for sex (as oth…
/r/seduction15/01/18 09:20 PM
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I should’ve clarified, assuming you’re still screwing the friend. It’s a bad idea to make both girls FWBs. It could be fucking the FWB once, it could be a handful of times after, once she gets the jealousy fuck out of her system (and you’re still with the friend) she may get irrational & dislike you because you’re not exclusively FWB with her.
/r/seduction15/01/18 12:27 AM
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it’ll either really hurt her, or she’ll want to fuck again It’s more like she wants to fuck you again because she’s hurt (jealous). If this scenario happens imo as tempting as it is I wouldn’t go back to her, because it’s only going to amplify the problem (she was done with you once, coming back because of jealousy will leave her even more done with you the 2nd time around). And that’s where the whole mouthing off to your mutuals how scummy/manipulative you are (in her eyes) comes in to play whe…
/r/seduction14/01/18 11:41 PM
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Great post, biggest thing I’ve taken away from game is that you maximize your potential by tailoring to your style (the canned lines/banter that sounds like something you would say, putting yourself in a place you fit in at aka demographics). I got ripped apart on this subreddit for saying I wouldn’t day game in the city (because I have university for that and it’s not my type of setting). There are generic, attractive principles we all follow (banter, push-pull, etc aka outer game), but you hav…
/r/seduction14/01/18 07:50 PM
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Honestly it doesn’t matter what the FWB thinks, it boils down to what YOU & her friend want. The risk you run is the FWB bad mouthing you to the rest of the social circle you share with her, saying you’re manipulative/scummy. It’s your call really, if you’re willing to chance burning a bridge with her then so be it. Hell maybe the FWB doesn’t care at all (a lot more likely she gets jealous & wants to start fucking you again if it’s the hot friend you’re fucking). Tl;DR go for it if you don’t min…
/r/seduction13/01/18 11:45 PM
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Drunk hook ups happen, best attitude is to treat it as a positive/fun experience, it sets the tone & at the very least makes her feel more comfortable (if you treat it as awkward there’s no comfort & if she acts awkward that’s on her). People like to be around someone that’s fun
/r/seduction11/01/18 07:12 PM
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It's anxiety which is natural (20 here, I get the same feeling, sometimes even just from sending a text). I've gotten a lot better with containing the anxiety over the past 2 years. The best attitude to have is to look at the big picture - whatever happens, happens. It's not an end of the world type of situation, you're probably anxious because you're fearing that if you screw up the attraction/face any sort of rejection it'll hurt your pride/ego (that's what I deduced for myself personally). I …
/r/seduction11/01/18 04:42 PM
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What I appreciate about Models is that it does a good job in terms of giving you a healthy mindset (commonly referred to as inner game in PUA). Get to know people (in this case chicks) because you want to, because you’re curious in meeting new people. If the goal/intent is strictly lays then it’s going to show (unless you’re a good actor, and in that case you’re manipulative and you’ll be left with unfulfilling relationships with others as Manson described in Models. Neil Strauss also felt the s…
/r/seduction08/01/18 10:43 PM
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For me it’s not as much the approach anxiety (admittedly I prefer night>day game) as it is setting myself in the right environment (I go to UMD and there’s more success for me there because it’s people my age range). Day gaming in Baltimore is safe if you hang around the Canton area (there are probably other decent areas in Bmore. I live 30 mins outside Baltimore so I don’t know it that well).
/r/seduction08/01/18 10:30 PM
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Thank the heavens it got enough of a reaction for people to reply (and massive downvotes to a positive-neutral toned comment)
/r/seduction08/01/18 08:06 PM
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I have university for that. I’m not cold approach day gaming in the streets of Baltimore @ 20 Years old...
/r/seduction08/01/18 06:05 PM
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Not going to bars & I don’t do day game
/r/seduction08/01/18 05:56 PM
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Haha I’d love to wing but I don’t turn 21 until May
/r/seduction08/01/18 04:29 PM
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I wouldn’t bother with Mystery Method. If you want a good outer game book I recommend checking Tao of Badass out. Models is great for teaching how to develop quality relationships in your life, by being a better person (inner game). Tao of Badass is good for simplifying the process of attraction itself. It teaches how/when to banter, push/pulling body language as an example. It’s to make you a more attractive individual externally (outer game). Other than reading those two, the rest of your deve…
/r/seduction04/01/18 05:58 PM
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I think it’s a great idea for bringing the seddit community together. The only thing is that people are on here with differing goals in mind (Outer game - External results. Inner game - Internal results). So it’s important to establish the end goal (whether inner/outer or both).
/r/seduction04/01/18 02:51 AM
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I find my line of thinking in the same boat as you admittedly. Although there’s nothing wrong with wanting to achieve a higher level of attraction. Partaking in a hobby solely for gaming is never a good idea though, because eventually your intentions will show. Ex: joining salsa with only the intent of hooking up with dancers. Instead a better mindset is you want to become a better dancer/more fun & meet women in the process. Tl;dr sexual motivation is human, but have other reasons to why you’re…
/r/seduction04/01/18 02:43 AM
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When it comes to looks mattering, people get too caught up in the raw DNA aspect. How you present yourself (effort in hairstyle, clothing style, quality hygiene, being active) plays a bigger role in looks mattering. It’s an indicator of taking care of yourself, and boosts one’s attraction physically/internally for you.
/r/seduction03/01/18 06:09 AM
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I’ve read the game, no mr nice guy, 48 laws of attraction, tao of badass, and models. Models & Tao are the only two I recommend reading. The others I personally didn’t resonate with. Models is a great inner game book, because it gives the best in depth explanation of building bonds with others. Emphasizing quality over quantity relationships with significant others. Tao of badass does a good job at giving an overview of the attraction process. The book is useful for learning how to be attractive…
/r/seduction03/01/18 04:59 AM
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Tao of Badass is what got me in to pick up. It’s not as good as Models, but it does a good job explaining the general structure of how people build relationships with each other. It’s a seduction heavier book that pushes pick up/banter lines, not so much inner game
/r/seduction02/01/18 09:52 PM
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Based off your reply, I have a feeling you’re too caught up in image so that’s why I wrote the essay-response below: Don’t worry about perception. When you worry about perception you start emotionally investing in others more so than yourself -> insecurities stand out more -> less willing to put yourself out there in fear of having a tainted image = you can’t fully be who you are/live to your potential happiness. I used to obsess over perception because everyone in my family is popular and I liv…
/r/seduction30/12/17 09:57 AM
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I recommend joining a frat only if you’re willing to spend the money on it. You have better access to sorority girls through formals/mutual friends. + more access to parties = more/better opportunities. I’d say you’re at a disadvantage only in the sense that you’re not maximizing your social potential in college. However you don’t need to join Greek life to get laid. Join clubs, make conversation with class mates, go to bars, etc.
/r/seduction30/12/17 07:45 AM
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this ^ the DC sub-section is dead
/r/seduction26/12/17 07:24 PM
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I'm interested, but looking to expand my social circle more so than strictly looking for lays
/r/seduction26/12/17 07:24 PM
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As u/commonfable put it. The purpose of this subreddit is to help people become the best version of themselves. Of course there are people that give/take manipulative advice, but understand that this subreddit isn’t about manipulating (despite society thinking so).
/r/seduction26/12/17 07:08 PM
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I understand where you're coming from, because I made the same transformation (I have better pics on my phone, this was the best I have on my PC): Me in 2013 - https://imgur.com/av5boaM Me in 2017 - https://imgur.com/uhElnL8 I lost 40 pounds between April - August of 2016. But weight loss is not the only contributing factor - I wore "dad clothes" throughout high school (the 2013 pic kind of shows it) & changed that in summer of '16 the end of my freshman year in college. Notice too my change in …
/r/seduction17/12/17 12:55 AM
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AKA presentation. Again, Appearance > Winning the DNA lottery.
/r/seduction17/12/17 12:24 AM
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Just like personality, looks is one of a multitude of factors absolutely. However, it's more so about presentation/personality than the looks themselves. My brother said it best: looks generate attention, personality hooks them in. Unless you're born with severe genetic deficiencies - dressing well, getting a nice haircut, having great hygiene generates attention because it's an indicator of self respect which [can] go along with confidence. Appearance > winning the DNA lottery. As for why peopl…
/r/seduction17/12/17 12:19 AM
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I recommend the restaurant industry. You'll make more money than people in retail. If you serve you'll also be a lot more socially warmed up as well because you're constantly talking to customers - which helps making conversation when in the mood. You can also find interesting topics within conversations you had with your customers (something interesting they said, a weird quirk they have) as fuel for talking to people.
/r/seduction07/12/17 07:38 PM
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Damn, this is extremely motivational. Cheers brother
/r/seduction06/12/17 08:34 PM
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Hi Todd! I discovered pickup back in early September by finding RSD Tyler's youtube content (i've heard of you but never seen any of your content), I then found this subreddit & have read Models by Mark Manson. To give a little background about myself, i've always been an extroverted-introvert (shy around people that I don't really connect with, but extremely open/chatty towards those that I do). One of the biggest issues I had growing up (and still do to an extent) is basically introducing myse…
/r/seduction06/12/17 08:05 PM
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I resonated more so with Mark because his ideology is about figuring out & knowing yourself. It makes you more authentic & exemplifies quality over quantity (even though Mark covers how to increase quantity). Instead of "I'm doing/acting like x because it worked for him" that's not always true (see the pee in the butt example from Models).
/r/seduction02/12/17 04:16 PM
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I'm in a fortunate situation rn so i'm not working while at school this semester giving me time to browse on here lol. Not gonna lie though having down time does kind of suck unless you take advantage of it by trying to learn new things (pick up is still fairly new I didn't start browsing this subreddit actually until this september). But yea at this point it's really a waiting game of waiting until your free time opens up. Patience always wins out
/r/seduction27/11/17 12:12 AM
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Best advice I can give (as a 20M full time college student) is focus on your success (making money, maintaining a decent GPA). When summer/winter break rolls around, then go ahead and try to improve inner game whether it's browsing this subreddit, reading self improvement books, and applying what is taught/expressed.
/r/seduction26/11/17 11:36 PM
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It was the book that introduced me in to the concept of of pick up. The issue with it is that the topics are mainly generalized, and doesn't delve too deep in to specifics. And when Pellicer does try to reinforce and explain concepts through real world examples, he uses some of the worst analogies (looking at you, grocery store). The main thing I took away from it was the process, or the flow chart. Introduction -> Rapport -> Seduction -> Release. While I liked how Pellicer emphasizes qualifying…
/r/seduction26/11/17 11:27 PM
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Fair enough, but I had to not only obtain the information from somewhere, but have it told to me in a convincing manner (you may have heard the same concepts from another author/seducer but that person likely learned elsewhere just like Tyler). I never would have heard of Eckhart Tolle if it weren't for Tyler, hell I wouldn't be on this subreddit if it weren't for him, he peaked my curiosity in PUA. I disagree with some on here about his lack of public speaking. He excels at delivering with an e…
/r/seduction09/11/17 03:14 AM
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I've never read the game (will definitely check it out once I read Models). I personally enjoy Tyler's content overall, I started watching his videos 2 months ago (he's the only form of pick up I follow, never read any self help books, watched the other RSD instructors, etc). There are definitely wishy-washy business moves he pushes that I disagree with such as looks not mattering (if he said they mattered then no one would go to his seminars), ironically too he's contradicted himself saying loo…
/r/seduction09/11/17 01:26 AM
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