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17	Women did not develop compassion/empathy for men in general because it serves no evolutionary purpose I have found a lot of men have a view of history that paints women as users of men that don’t contribute beyond having babies. The facts are that with hunters and gatherers, gathering (tubers, berries, leaves) provided the staple diet and that was mostly done by women. And women also hunted. Look at many a third world country today and you’ll see women working the fields, going to get water from the river and contributing at least as much as the men to the wellbeing of their communities. But no,…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/26 12:04 AM
–	Women dislike weak and shy guys more than violent misogynists and I'll die on that hill I agree with this take. Charming, manipulative, audacious people often get dates, have friends and do well in business. They are good at getting what they want from people and many people fall for it. It’s not that they’re more attractive because of those traits, it’s that they’re more pushy, flattering and convincing - and of course more people fall for that than they do for a more quiet, shy, “weak” guy who doesn’t go for what he wants and stays in the background. Women don’t “dislike” that bu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/26 10:29 AM
4	If you don’t care about personality, you’ll attract people who also don’t care about personality. A lot of women don’t put their looks above their personality - but many of the most thirst-trapping, social media-centric women do. These are the women many men are most physically attracted to and the ones that end up on those manosphere podcasts or street interviews spouting on about only wanting rich men, tall men, etc. Lots and lots and lots of women are going about their lives getting educated, working, having hobbies, socialising with friends and family and not putting a lot of time, money…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/06/26 11:30 PM
5	There will never be a solution to mens issues because 🔵BP society effectively sees intersexual dynamics as a zero sum game (where accommodating one side means taking away from the other) What experiences am I talking about?	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/06/26 05:50 AM
14	There will never be a solution to mens issues because 🔵BP society effectively sees intersexual dynamics as a zero sum game (where accommodating one side means taking away from the other) One major way to do this is to have more female experiences, stories and opinions in the mainstream culture. I don’t mean social media, I mean movies, tv, music, art, literature and history. Encouraging young males to pay attention to and value things that are from the female perspective. Girls grow up surrounded by “male nature” - so much mainstream culture is male-centric stories, history, music, film, gaming, etc - so much comes from the male point of view. We hear a lot about male experience…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/06/26 03:14 AM
–	What do women know about men that men don't know about themselves? I’m not sure men are more selfish. I do think, on average, they’re less considerate than women and that can seem like selfishness. Women could stand to be less considerate and men more so - I think a lot of relationships would benefit from that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/06/26 12:31 AM
–	What do women know about men that men don't know about themselves? I don’t know about you, but I think the military hierarchy is pretty different from a workplace one. Most bosses (mostly male) I’ve worked for have been overall pretty collaborative. I don’t have to call them sir and they will listen if I have a different idea or approach, but of course I know the final say is up to them - whereas the military seems less collaborative (I have no direct experience with it though). I don’t feel like I have to “submit” to my boss. The military to me seems quite a b…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/06/26 12:29 AM
2	Women don't really view men as human beings in romantic contexts https://www.brandeis.edu/writing-program/write-now/2021-2022/azevedo-ligia/index.html There are a few research papers and also polls online that show the majority of men prefer that women shave their legs, armpits and pubic hair.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/05/26 01:56 AM
1	Q4W: Why do doctors and medical staff take women’s ailments less seriously? Baseless conjecture? Lol. This is objective fact.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/05/26 10:55 PM
8	If there was a button flipping the dating dynamics for Men and Woman would you press it? The only way to absolutely guarantee you can’t get pregnant is to never have penetrative sex with a man who could get you pregnant - or you have a hysterectomy or be post-menopausal. I know a woman who got pregnant after having her tubes tied. Condoms can fail. IUDs and oral contraceptives can fail. Even vasectomies have a failure rate. So, it’s not really 100% in your control to not get pregnant unless you are abstaining from sex or are infertile. And unless you are infertile, you could be rape…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/05/26 11:18 PM
6	Women have more bodily autonomy than men. I agree. If there has to be a draft, women should be included. I personally don’t think fighting in wars should be forced on anyone though.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/03/26 08:10 PM
16	Women have more bodily autonomy than men. These days? Yes. Most women are just as capable as men of shooting guns, piloting drones and aiming missiles and crewing a submarine. Let’s not act like hand to hand combat and brute strength are required often in modern warfare.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/03/26 05:36 AM
4	Are We Treating Male Psychology as a Problem to Be Fixed? What women are you around? Where I live many women mow lawns - I see it every week where I am at several houses on my street. Repairing appliances? A lot of men do the same as women these days and call an electrician to do that, take it back to the store they got it from or throw it away and buy a new one. Most of the men I know don’t fix cars and are not the ones exclusively taking out the trash or putting gas in the car or any other stereotypical male task. Flipping or moving a mattress? Somet…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/02/26 07:07 AM
9	If women want to see certain changes in men, they should reward the men who embody that ideal Men tend to die earlier than women, so more women than men “die alone” if the opposite of that is dying with a partner by their side. Men get that more often than not.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/26 03:03 AM
7	Claiming "Sex isn't the only thing men care about" only works when men show they have other priorities. Sex is not the glue. Intimacy is. Genuine love is. There are people who would die for each other and go through hell to be there for each other who have not had sex in many years. It doesn’t mean they are “just roommates” - it doesn’t mean they should break up. Sex is important, but it is not the glue - or at least it should not be the only type of glue holding your relationship together.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/12/25 03:58 AM
5	Society actively mitigates biological disadvantages for women, but systemically entrenches them for men. It is not equivalent.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/10/25 09:41 AM
1	A relationship between a man and a woman cannot be equal. The woman holds all the power Brutal logic right there!	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/08/25 11:22 PM
9	Men's strong impersonal attraction to women is more than just wanting sex. It’s quite common. Thankfully.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/25 11:08 PM
12	Men's strong impersonal attraction to women is more than just wanting sex. You’re an anomaly if you have no drive at all to protect or help those more vulnerable. Most people have some sense of altruism. You are not more intelligent than others, you lack empathy and kindness. That’s not something to feel superior about.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/25 11:07 PM
2	CMV: Being attracted to women is misogyny Putting pets and ChatGPT in the same category is bizarre. Pets are living beings that very much have individual personalities. The only people who can find a personality in ChatGPT are gullible and probably mentally ill. If you can’t find a personality in a dog or cat then you probably have very little empathy…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/25 07:04 PM
–	Misandry creates MORE misogynists. I don’t believe it is true of feminism as a whole, but there are certainly many immature women that blame everything on men and genuinely think men are inferior to women. They are wrong.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/25 09:30 AM
–	Misandry creates MORE misogynists. That’s not how it works. Pointing out the facts about violence is not saying women are superior to men overall. Any more than pointing out that men are physically stronger than women is saying men are superior to women overall. You respond to specific discrimination by lobbying against it and championing your demographic and causes. You seek to inspire empathy and find a common ground. Being hateful is not going to win anyone over - but it makes angry, immature people feel better themselves. And…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/25 06:30 AM
–	Misandry creates MORE misogynists. Please point me to mainstream feminist sources that “rabidly advocate” that women are superior to men? If someone slaps you, of course you don’t need to stand there and take it. Defending yourself is distinct from retaliation. You’re making a false equivalence.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/25 05:47 AM
–	Misandry creates MORE misogynists. Men have a choice. What I observe in most men around the manosphere is a very genuine belief that men are superior to women. Certainly there is a strong belief that men are more logical and less swayed by emotions. If this is true, then “well, she did it first, I have to get back at her!” is no excuse for an increase in misogyny amongst men. Retaliation is inherently emotionally immature. Two wrongs don’t make a right, after all.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/25 01:36 AM
14	Therapy is harmful and doesn't actually help women. Men should not go to therapy. There are many reasons people switch therapists - among them is certainly because they don’t like something they said. But there’s also other reasons because we’re all individuals and therapists can have different approaches, specialties and “vibes”. In that post in particular this is my take: Being told to “just do it” when it’s something you are clearly struggling to do despite knowing you should and need to is unhelpful. With ADHD these sorts of functions are precisely what is harder to contr…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/25 11:10 AM
18	Therapy is harmful and doesn't actually help women. Men should not go to therapy. Therapy is hard - if you are actually trying. I have never “enjoyed” therapy - but sure, sometimes it feels good to have someone to talk to who is not part of your life otherwise. A good therapist encourages you to view yourself more objectively and that is seldom a bad thing. The hard work comes when you do realise some truths about yourself that you don’t like and want to change - and then go about changing them. If you go to therapy just to be flattered and validated, you are failing at thera…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/25 08:02 AM
21	Therapy is harmful and doesn't actually help women. Men should not go to therapy. Exactly. This is the age old “just pull yourself up by your bootstraps” mentality that tells people - especially men - that their problems all centre around being weak-willed sissies. “Just lift bro - just be disciplined and it will solve any depression, anxiety or made-up nonsense like ADHD and OCD!” “Therapy is for losers and women” Etc, etc. Therapy is hard and a good therapist should be helping you examine yourself and come up with your own motivation to change and see things differently. It…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/25 07:33 AM
10	Men simply want virgin women because of security and feeling of being special. I certainly think this is true for some men. Wanting a woman to feel pain while you break the hymen and see blood goes beyond just wanting to feel special and sure of paternity. There are men who absolutely fetishise the act of “taking virginity” and would feel cheated if she doesn’t cry and bleed - despite most women actually not bleeding the first time. There’s a power and degradation aspect to it for sure.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/25 07:20 AM
2	Why do you think women are less attracted to men than men are to women ? Yeah I know, ridiculous isn’t it?	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/07/25 10:38 PM
2	Why do you think women are less attracted to men than men are to women ? Exactly. Doesn’t mean lesbians aren’t attracted to women. It just means female sexuality is not exactly the same as male sexuality.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/07/25 09:17 PM
1	Why do you think women are less attracted to men than men are to women ? Well, there are also downsides inherent to being born a female that you could say make it the “wrong” sex. Like the fact that you are generally more vulnerable physically than males, can get pregnant and sex (and reproductive health overall) is more complex. Being seen as the “weaker” sex has its disadvantages socially too. I like men. I don’t go around consciously fearful of all men or assuming all men are creeps. Most men are good people. Doesn’t mean I am not aware of the potential downsides …	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/06/25 07:37 AM
1	Why do you think women are less attracted to men than men are to women ? I disagree. You’re being too black and white about it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/06/25 07:09 AM
1	Why do you think women are less attracted to men than men are to women ? Yeah I can. Because it’s not an absolute. Women are not into men with the same ardor and frequency as men are into women, because it’s fundamentally not starting from the same place. But women are still sexually and romantically into men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/06/25 07:04 AM
2	Women are dependent upon strange men for their safety, security, and comfort You’re misinformed and clearly biased against women. Do some research outside the manosphere misogynist echo chambers and you might be surprised that women do more than you think and don’t just have all the cushy jobs. Absolute rubbish misinformation fed to you by people who get views and likes for inciting disrespect and hatred of women. The level of disrespect and distaste for all women you men have is incredibly sad.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/25 09:59 PM
7	Women are dependent upon strange men for their safety, security, and comfort Men have had the game rigged in their favour with their boys club mentality and literally barring women from being able to get an education or train to do these jobs until quite recently. Plenty of men have hired their less qualified male friends and family members over qualified women (and men) I’m sure. The hostile work environment for women in male dominated jobs coupled with many men’s documented attitude that “women just aren’t capable of the thought processing or physical prowess to do thi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/25 12:35 PM
15	Women are dependent upon strange men for their safety, security, and comfort It’s hilarious to me how blinkered some of you men are if you think women don’t play a part in all those things - especially in third world countries. Women labour hard to bring water to their families, grow and process food, make fabrics for clothing and shelter. Women in poor countries do a shit tonne more physical work than most western men ever do. Often with babies strapped to their back and another on the way. And then they go home and cook for their family, keep things clean, look after e…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/25 10:11 AM
17	Women are dependent upon strange men for their safety, security, and comfort Sure. But women also play a role in maintaining society by raising and educating children, being nurses and caregivers for the sick and elderly and generally being cleaners, hospitality workers, shop assistants, etc. You can also argue that had women not had the burden of reproduction and the massive distraction and energy drain that is raising children and keeping the household throughout history, that women may well have done more inventing and creating of infrastructure and technology. Men ha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/25 09:54 AM
12	Why do you think women are less attracted to men than men are to women ? You have explained the discrepancy. Sex for men is virtually without risk and almost guaranteed pleasure, validation and social points. You get to be inside a person who is not a physical threat to you, is showing you a high degree of trust and favour (because women are pickier her picking you likely means something positive), is capable of giving you a genetic heir with no cost to yourself and because you are penetrating and stimulated pretty perfectly to facilitate orgasm, you are almost guara…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/06/25 09:11 PM
7	"Men care about penis size more than women do!" - that's bullshit. This is the right attitude.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/06/25 08:38 PM
2	When mothers murder their own children, they are charged less seriously than other forms of homicide. This is because women are babied by society. There is no such thing as mental illness? There most certainly is. And most clinicians can agree on many of them. Just because they aren’t always easily defined and they often have overlaps doesn’t mean they don’t exist. Not being “tangible” is also inaccurate - there is evidence of consistencies in structural brain abnormalities between people diagnosed with schizophrenia, for one. We have very little research into many mental illnesses and disorders like postpartum depression and psychosis are…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/05/25 07:35 AM
1	When mothers murder their own children, they are charged less seriously than other forms of homicide. This is because women are babied by society. What you have just written is easily disproven with many statistics encompassing women in many countries and over long passages of time. Women are not privileged over men. Not now and certainly not historically. And many women have been hurt by men. But no, of course, women are in fact the oppressors and of course, it’s women (not men like yourself) that have victim complexes. I suppose you think the stats on how many women have been the victim of sexual assault, violence or harassment by men ar…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/05/25 02:49 AM
2	When mothers murder their own children, they are charged less seriously than other forms of homicide. This is because women are babied by society. We had a woman in my country sentenced to 18 years in prison recently for killing her 3 children. Her mental illness was taken into account. Another case I read about had a woman given an “indefinite hospital order” for killing her 5 month old baby while suffering postpartum psychosis. Another woman was released after serving 31 years for killing her baby and she claimed it was postpartum psychosis - it didn’t reduce her sentence. Women do not routinely get off lightly after killing their childr…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/05/25 01:42 AM
1	When mothers murder their own children, they are charged less seriously than other forms of homicide. This is because women are babied by society. If it’s a genuine mental illness - a psychosis - then it’s not an “excuse”. They still will be locked up for a long time in a treatment facility and have to live with the extreme guilt of what they did when they are no longer out of their mind.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/25 09:13 PM
22	When mothers murder their own children, they are charged less seriously than other forms of homicide. This is because women are babied by society. Men don’t get post partum psychosis. If there is an identifiable acute mental illness that can be taken into account for a man who murdered his wife, then it will be. And he will be guilty of manslaughter not murder.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/25 10:17 AM
3	It's not misogyny just because you don't relate to the complaint Stereotypes are quite frequently based on shaky ground. There are plenty of examples of stereotypes that are based on prejudice and skewed perceptions - not on the truth. OverandunderX outlined a couple in her comment. Even my dad (a true blue Boomer) will admit that he has sexist knee-jerk attitudes towards women pilots and drivers that when he thinks about it, don’t actually equate with reality and come from outdated “stereotypes”. I think there are likely quite a few stereotypes you think are…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/04/25 10:46 PM
1	More women than men watch violent, misogynistic porn. What's the reason? Fantasies are not always scenarios we actually want to play out. The reality of actually being raped is not what any woman is really thinking of. There are women who will act it out with a trusted man in a role play kink situation. But few women actually want a guy they know to spontaneously decide she might like to be held down and forced into sexual acts. Now, a friendzoned guy? First off, the friendzone is not a woman’s doing. If you ask a girl out or you tell her you have feelings for her an…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/04/25 12:44 AM
0	More women than men watch violent, misogynistic porn. What's the reason? Most women don’t only have rape fantasies. I have fantasies of being more dominant and direct as well. I’m just describing a typical “rape fantasy” and its underpinnings. It’s a combo of stereotypical female sexuality being more passive and also conditioning that some of us women have about it being negative and badly received by men if we are direct and demanding - especially when it comes to sex. And the shame around women desiring and enjoying sex that is still reinforced in some places. It’s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/04/25 12:34 AM
-1	More women than men watch violent, misogynistic porn. What's the reason? I’d like to know exactly what these “rape fantasies” entail. If it’s anything like the ones I have or the ones I have read most women describe it is more accurately “ravishment” than “rape”. It may fit the legal definition of rape, but it’s not fantasising about some stranger jumping out of the bushes and raping us with a knife to the throat, it’s fantasising about a man we already know and find attractive being dominant and doing all the things we want to do but are too repressed to ask for. It…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/04/25 08:36 PM
–	There is a certain behaviour ("damselling") in public that I see exclusively done by women. What is the real reason why those women are doing this? This is a very good analysis. There is no Machiavellian or malicious intent behind these actions - it is simply how many women have been conditioned to operate. And some women don’t actually like how men are also conditioned to be helpful (or sometimes to simply take over completely) at any sign of a woman struggling with something - sometimes we want to do things ourselves but men insist on doing them for us. It can lead to some awkward and frustrating situations.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/04/25 05:03 PM
0	Female virgins are equally as unattractive as male virgins past a certain age. I agree with you. Anyone who has the attitude of “past a certain age, a virgin is universally unattractive” is rigid and judgemental. Which, coincidentally, I find to be an unattractive personality trait. People are individuals, there can be all kinds of reasons someone has not been sexually active. Being socially awkward can stem from not only being on the spectrum or having mental health problems, but also an upbringing that was isolated and lacked socialisation. OP may as well say that anyone…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/04/25 11:27 PM
1	What's your cutoff for sharing a high value man? A small proportion of women share “high value” (still don’t really know what that means) men, most don’t nor do we want to unless we have to in order to survive. A man with multiple wives (or multiple “plates” or side chicks or whatever) is extremely unattractive to me - doesn’t matter if he’s a billionaire that looks like Henry Cavill. It just isn’t an appealing situation at all. I don’t care if he buys me a house and pays all my bills, I’m not a sex worker and that’s what I’d be for someone li…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/03/25 08:49 AM
2	What's your cutoff for sharing a high value man? I was about to type something similar, but your answers sums it up very well	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/03/25 08:36 AM
6	Madonna whore complex is the equivalent to alpha fucks beta bucks These so-called “Beta” men get a wife, usually kids and the social clout of being a “family man”. These are all benefits in the long run (as long as you don’t have a horrible wife, which is less common than the internet would have you believe). Most men don’t treat their wives like “prized horses” anymore than she treats him that way - most marriages are roughly equal in their love and support for each other. Being a “Madonna” often comes with expectations and pressures for behaviour that are li…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/03/25 06:16 PM
1	Would men be happier if they were asexual? True	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/25 01:40 AM
4	Would men be happier if they were asexual? I slept well on the one I was taking thankfully. And had dreams like vivid superhero movies - kind of miss that! But it was hard to pee, I was hypersensitive to cold, could barely eat more than a few bites without feeling like I was full to bursting and the anorgasmia was so uncomfortable. Yeah, those drugs are no joke.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/03/25 07:36 AM
1	Would men be happier if they were asexual? They definitely do. It’s only recently that women have been included in drug trials. Kind of insane considering the differences in not only hormones, but metabolism and body composition. Lots of drugs probably have different (or simply more/less severe) side effects in men vs women and should be dosed differently.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/03/25 03:31 AM
2	Would men be happier if they were asexual? You’re very welcome.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/03/25 12:22 AM
2	Would men be happier if they were asexual? Yes. But there were withdrawals for a month or so which were not pleasant.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/03/25 11:32 PM
4	Would men be happier if they were asexual? It was pretty horrible. Orgasms can be tricky for women now and then at the best of times, but, yeah, it was incredibly frustrating (and kind of painful). The antidepressant did some good for me, but in hindsight, the side effects were not worth it. They are powerful medications and we don’t really know fully how they work. Definitely proceed with caution if you do need to take one. They can be so helpful, but it comes with downsides for sure.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/03/25 11:22 PM
14	Would men be happier if they were asexual? From experience, it’s not always libido that drops, its ability to orgasm. I still felt desire and got horny, but having an orgasm was extremely difficult. Which was very frustrating! So, I wouldn’t count on an antidepressant making you “asexual” or even truly reducing your libido.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/03/25 11:10 PM
10	Would men be happier if they were asexual? That’s a judgmental viewpoint. Some people truly are happiest on their own. It doesn’t make someone a social failure not to want a spouse and kids.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/03/25 11:02 PM
8	Women live life on easy mode. Yes. I am going to deny that. Abundant social and romantic life with ZERO effort? So, no effort into elevating your appearance (hair, make up, clothes, hair removal, dieting and exercise), no effort on making and maintaining social bonds (active listening to friends and family, making mental notes of everyones likes, dislikes, life events or putting thought into activities) no effort into selecting a man to date and weighing up safety vs putting yourself out there, no effort into balancing your …	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/25 03:09 AM
7	Women live life on easy mode. The majority of the world - and even of those cities - do not live like this. You are talking about the privilege of a certain type of wealthy, beautiful young woman who is willing and able to make the connections and use the right people to get advantages. Few women do this. It’s like you are drawing all these conclusions from social media “influencers”, models and high end escorts. A tiny percentage of women. It would be like relating the experiences of male celebrities and saying their privil…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/25 02:48 AM
3	Male loneliness, gender equality, and positive masculinity are connected. Ok, so we are looking more at alone time and sexlessness as measures of loneliness as compared to what I was referencing which is self reported loneliness. I can agree then that young men have more alone time and less sexual access than young women. I have also seen studies where women don’t link sex to happiness at the same rates men do. I don’t have time to find all the links right now. Ultimately, I think men and women (and simply individuals regardless of gender) define loneliness a bit diff…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/03/25 10:15 PM
0	Male loneliness, gender equality, and positive masculinity are connected. Google it. It’s that simple. Where there is a difference between the sexes reporting loneliness, some have women reporting slightly more, others have women reporting slightly less. Basically, there is a loneliness epidemic for both sexes and there is not meaningful data to suggest that one gender is suffering much more from it than the other. And yet we hear it gendered as a “male” loneliness epidemic - where is the evidence that it affects men so disproportionately more that it deserves that mo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/03/25 09:39 PM
1	Everything being men's fault may be somewhat true, but THAT might not be men's fault. Examples of what you mean please?	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/03/25 01:08 PM
–	How would you feel if your partner put himself in danger to defend another woman? Me too. Standing up for people in a vulnerable position is always something to be proud of. I try to do it myself as well. I’d be worried sick about him being hurt, but I’d still be proud of him for trying to help someone in need.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/25 05:43 AM
–	It's perfectly valid for inexperienced men to feel insecure about their sexual performance while dating a much more experienced women, as society constantly puts the burden of good sex on men. If I’m turned on and with the right stimulation, I absolutely can in 2-3 minutes. But not every time - I think it’s perhaps more inconsistent for women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/02/25 07:51 AM
3	I’ll Answer the “Why Don’t Men Read Our Profiles?” Question. This is my opinion about biology - society may or may not agree with me…I think dating is harder (certainly in terms of getting dates in the first place) for men in the modern world and anyone who can’t see that is being obtuse. Are women predisposed to box men into masculine behavioural standards? I would say yes to a degree - but men also are predisposed to do the same to women. It’s a function of sexual dimorphism, I guess? And I also don’t think that most women having some care for a man’s c…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/02/25 07:02 AM
3	I’ll Answer the “Why Don’t Men Read Our Profiles?” Question. You’re right that a lot of modern women will deny the biological aspects. It’s something I fell into for a time as a teenager - I didn’t want to believe I was truly fundamentally different from a male in many ways. But I am - hormones and genetics are powerful. And many women also put more store by contraceptives and their own financial independence now and so don’t perhaps consciously look for “provider status” when choosing a man to date. But I think this factors into things for women on a spe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/02/25 02:08 AM
5	I’ll Answer the “Why Don’t Men Read Our Profiles?” Question. I don’t think it’s fair to frame it as “gold digging” but it is clearly also common for a woman to value men’s usefulness as providers and protectors when looking for “a mate”. For women, up until relatively recently, sex has meant a high chance of ending up pregnant. That’s a very big deal - it’s a big burden, it’s a health risk and it’s a long term situation. Being up for having sex with a man just because he’s physically attractive with no other qualifiers doesn’t make much sense on a “lizard…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/02/25 12:36 AM
5	Q4Men: choose a life: bad boy with 5 baby mamas or mild mannered virgin Do you think you understand how terrible some situations are for women? Many people struggle to empathise with experiences and perspectives that are different to their own. I would be surprised if the average man was any better at it than the average woman.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/25 12:55 AM
2	Why do fat women who don't exercise try to date fit men? By this logic you are saying that a man can be attracted to a fat woman despite her weight then, right? Because he’s not attracted to her weight itself, but to her as an overall person who happens to be overweight - but this isn’t a negative for him. But then you say this isn’t possible and the only men who date fat women are loser men with no options? That doesn’t make sense. Let’s say you have a spouse that you really love. You get along, have great sex, have the same goals and overall it’s ju…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/25 12:37 AM
9	Why do fat women who don't exercise try to date fit men? I knew a couple like this. The husband was special forces and the wife was also army but a large lady (big frame plus overweight) - they were a great pair and had a couple of kids together. She was such a bubbly, fun person and was quite active, despite not being anywhere near his level of fitness obviously. I presume he liked her. I’m sure he could have got with a slim woman if he’d wanted with his physique and social standing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/25 12:07 AM
10	Question to the women here who have lots of matches on dating apps but haven't been in or don't care much to be in a relationship: How do you reconcile having so many options, and wanting to date, but yet finding all or 95% of men not good enough? This can be true - but certainly not all women will try to contort into that pretty, strappy pair of heels that are too small. Human beings make mistakes, can sometimes try to make something work despite signs it probably won’t and we also change our minds sometimes. Fact is, online dating is a challenging way to choose someone. Just like buying online. You can know “your fit” and think it will work, but then when you meet (or try) in person, it’s just not right. And you can pass up good fits be…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/02/25 11:37 PM
3	Why is Pregnancy Talked About Like It Should Be A Punishment for Women Who Had Sex? That woman is a moron. Abortion has costs, risks and side effects far beyond condoms or other contraceptives. Not to mention the STI risks from not using condoms. I’m pro choice, but what she’s doing is just stupid.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/01/25 03:55 PM
1	Straight men and women generally cannot be friends. I don’t disagree that from some men’s perspective, being friends with a woman platonically is hard. But I think many women can be friends with a man for their part. I could hug a man for a minute and it not be at all sexual on my part - just about conveying affection and care. But, yeah, some men probably start to think of it sexually. Does that mean it is “rightful” to interpret it that way? Not imo. Is there some law of nature where a hug for more than a certain amount of time between two peop…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/25 03:32 AM
1	Women Don’t Like Dating Apps for Only One Reason I think some women care about that the most, sure. But I don’t think it can be generalised to “women only pick guys who they know have lots of options”. I just don’t think most women care about that much at all - but it is a fact that commonly desirable traits are going to be seen as desirable by a larger number of women…Just as we can predict which women a large number of men will find most desirable - doesn’t mean men desire her primarily because they know other men desire her too, she simply …	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/25 05:09 AM
1	Women Don’t Like Dating Apps for Only One Reason You are wrong about this. The majority of women primarily care about a man being desirable as a partner to them individually. This may align with what other women want, but that is not what drives women to find a man desirable to begin with. Women are not thinking “Will my friends want him too? Will every woman we meet as a couple be jealous?” A great number of women date men and desire men that their friends don’t “get” - would that be so common if most women only wanted men who everyone else o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/25 03:34 AM
9	I feel that TRP is a little hypocritical for obsessing over female weight but at the same time acting like women are shallow monsters for rejecting the boring guy No, not arbitrary - but it depends how fat we’re talking. A bit of a belly and overall chubbiness? Not a sign of poor health, low fertility or dangerous bad habits. But that will be deemed unattractive to a lot of men. You can have quite a range of weight before you get into unhealthy territory. Many people also have a bad diet and don’t exercise, but overall don’t eat many calories and so they look lean - but they are not very healthy and don’t have good habits to live with or pass onto kids. B…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 12:39 AM
12	I feel that TRP is a little hypocritical for obsessing over female weight but at the same time acting like women are shallow monsters for rejecting the boring guy There are many personal failures in human beings - most are just not as visible as failing to attain and maintain a healthy weight. Many people have unhealthy coping mechanisms that negatively impact others but are more hidden. Most men don’t like fat women because they don’t visually arouse them like slim women do. It’s not men caring about how good a person she is, whether she can look after the kids or be a good life partner. It’s 99% about physical attraction. Many fat people are able to be …	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 12:08 AM
8	Q4W: Do you want a submissive man, or do you want to submit to your man? Black and white thinking at its finest. Why does this need to be defined in such a binary way? It’s subjective. Based on what you think the “big decisions” are and who is more likely to have the biggest say in making them. If someone has an idea and the other partner goes along with it because they don’t have a strong opinion and trust their partner - does that mean they submitted to them? I wouldn’t frame it that way. But you might. Again - it’s subjective what constitutes dominant and submissi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/25 10:06 PM
–	How can a man not feel worse when he realizes that his girlfriend/wife behaves more restrictedly and less passionately with him than with her past partners? The most important thing is that he is good to me by my definition. That he shows his love for me in ways that I appreciate and value. If he clearly doesn’t put the effort or thought into our relationship that he used to with a previous woman, then I won’t feel like he loves or cares for me and it will be over. If he explains to me that he regrets what he did for his previous gf - that he felt pressured and stressed by her demands and that he realises he was going overboard trying to please her …	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/25 07:49 PM
6	Do you actually think life would be easier if you were a man in this age ? All women go through menstruation, most will go through childbirth and all will go through menopause and the very real problems it brings. The comparison you draw with men is not inherent to all men nor something no women have to deal with. Women can’t escape biology and the reproductive burden and cycle - it is not a choice. It isn’t a fair comparison. Most women would say that being free of those biological burdens (as well as having the increased size and strength of a man) would make our liv…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/25 12:02 AM
2	Not all women are "like that", but many are. No. The worst AWALT is that women are incapable of love and empathy towards men and are inherently irresponsible and childish. I have those repeated plenty of times. That paints women as less than men in multiple ways.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/01/25 06:27 PM
47	Men of all ages prefer women between 18-30 simply because it is their physical prime, absolutely nothing to do with manipulation or power dynamics He literally called older women “an inferior product”.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/12/24 01:00 AM
–	Is The Denial That Misandry Exists The Worst Misandry? Nothing you said goes beyond your anecdotal experience. And it isn’t misogyny you’re referencing either with examples of women being bullies to other women or making office politics more contentious. That’s just the plain fact that some people are assholes - I’d be amazed if you could actually find evidence that women are more likely to be bullies and bad workmates than men. I work in a male dominated workspace. I have known men who have been cruel to other men, have been bullies and have also b…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/24 03:37 AM
–	Is The Denial That Misandry Exists The Worst Misandry? I’m open to recognising that women might perpetuate it more than I think, but not more than men, is what I meant to say.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/24 12:26 AM
–	Is The Denial That Misandry Exists The Worst Misandry? Yep, me too. The opposite is more obvious to me, but I’m open to changing my mind if he points something out that I am truly oblivious to.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/24 12:23 AM
–	Is The Denial That Misandry Exists The Worst Misandry? I’m oblivious and don’t go outside much - can you give examples of women perpetuating most misogyny and misandry? Edit for autocorrect fail	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/24 12:16 AM
–	If you feel women are boring, unappealing, and have wrong opinions, then just be happy single. “Men do be crazy” too - so what? Does that justify misandry?	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/12/24 09:55 PM
–	If you feel women are boring, unappealing, and have wrong opinions, then just be happy single. The sad truth is that genuine misogyny is alive and well among a strong minority of men. They have a bias against women’s thoughts and opinions and truly don’t see women as having anywhere near the same capacity for insight, rational thought or honesty as men. They basically see women as intellectually immature and inferior and so they cannot allow themselves to listen to what a woman has to say. Sort of like how most people perceive the opinions of a 13 year old.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/12/24 06:01 PM
–	If you feel women are boring, unappealing, and have wrong opinions, then just be happy single. It’s not that black and white.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/12/24 05:45 PM
2	Why does therapy fail men on a large scale and what alternatives are there? That does sound scary. I’m curious, what is the difference between a narcissist and a psychopath? You say he was so good at conning people and had no empathy - and from what little I know, psychopaths are described the same way. So I was just wondering what distinguishes the two?	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/11/24 05:45 PM
2	Common misconception: The fourth wave of feminism didn't descend into men-hating. Feminism was a men-hating movement from the beginning. It is oppression when it happens. Men in Ukraine and Russia being forced to fight are oppressed. Men in the US who could conceivably be drafted if it came down to it? I’m not sure I can call that current oppression of men. But it is something I oppose and do not want to see reintroduced. Attributing it to women and feminism is what I was originally framing it with as the other commenter was saying women and feminism are oppressing men. Of course women are part of society and therefore play a par…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/11/24 09:22 AM
5	Common misconception: The fourth wave of feminism didn't descend into men-hating. Feminism was a men-hating movement from the beginning. You used the word oppressive to describe feminism for men, not me. You compare it to the patriarchy and its effects on women - yet you have not given examples of how feminism has had those kinds of impacts on men. I think men and women should be working together for the betterment of all and seeking to have empathy for one another. I don’t want men to suffer oppression nor do I dismiss or have no care for men’s struggles. I just don’t see how it is the fault of women or feminism or the major res…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/11/24 07:23 AM
5	Common misconception: The fourth wave of feminism didn't descend into men-hating. Feminism was a men-hating movement from the beginning. I excluded draft because it was not invented by feminism or women. You can’t put the onus on women for it. Personally, I think both sexes should be drafted or there should be no draft. Is it oppression that men may be drafted in some countries? I’m not sure it quite fits the definition of oppression, but I could be wrong on that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/11/24 07:11 AM
3	Common misconception: The fourth wave of feminism didn't descend into men-hating. Feminism was a men-hating movement from the beginning. I would really like some concrete examples of how men are oppressed by women? Not just examples of certain areas here and there where women have been given advantages under certain circumstances or have an easier time getting sex - but actual, systemic oppression of all men based entirely on their sex, through all socio-economic classes. Not bad words from some women online, or mainstream media portraying men in sitcoms as idiots or even incarceration rates, custody battles or mental health help…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/11/24 04:08 AM
22	Men shouldn't expect to have positive relationships with women if they can't express basic empathy for them Just look at medical circles. Women are not taken as seriously as men and are more often dismissed as “hysterical”, “sensitive”, “attention-seeking”. It happens outside of medical settings too, but it is well documented in that area. I also know quite a few men who say “I would never vote for a woman, no matter what party”. And my own dad was self aware enough the other day to hear about a plane crash, learn the captain was female and check himself for immediately thinking it was somehow her fau…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/11/24 07:18 AM
8	There are rational reasons for working class men to dislike female empowerment; Women irrespective of their living conditions or ideology will always be hypergamous. There is no egalitarian utopia at the end of the female empowerment rainbow, just more male disposability My parents were like and that was in the 80s/90s. Dad was the stay at home parent for my whole childhood. They’ve been married for 50 years!	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/11/24 11:48 PM
4	The Type of Women Normally Chased by Men That’s true. Some people in general have an unfriendly, closed off vibe even when they don’t intend to. Not wanting to approach someone who looks like they might bite your head off is understandable. Men who approach can also give off an unfriendly vibe, despite actually initiating conversation - some people just have a harder time being socially appealing I guess. I’m only adding that some girls are ok with being approached, despite what many vocal women will say - not all women want men to onl…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/24 02:56 AM
5	The Type of Women Normally Chased by Men Some women want to be approached - perhaps especially women who are more traditional and introverted. Just as some men disagree with some prevailing men’s views, some women disagree with prevailing women’s views. The idea that all women will feel threatened and call a guy a creep for politely approaching them is way overblown.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/24 12:16 AM
2	q4a: is sex a need? Can’t say that I can relate to your thinking at all, as harming others is something I avoid as much as I can and I literally can’t imagine gaining any happiness from it. I appreciate you explaining it to me though. I hope you always have what you want to maintain happiness and find society worthwhile so that no one gets hurt.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/11/24 05:39 PM
2	q4a: is sex a need? This isn’t really related to the post, but I have to ask: why would you take “as many as I can with me before I go”? What does that achieve or fulfil in you? I understand how not having sex can make someone unhappy. How it could lead to so much unhappiness, someone may see no point in being alive anymore and expedite their departure from the world. But why take other people out too?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/11/24 01:58 AM
5	Women generally don't want us men to try to be friends with them, so it's up to us to act accordingly and listen to them. Sorry to hear that. You’ve had a rough time with women. Unfortunately quite a few people suck and some people come across more of them, while some are more fortunate and find good people more often than not. Life isn’t fair. I hope you will have better luck in future in meeting better women. We are certainly not all like that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/10/24 12:54 AM
6	Women generally don't want us men to try to be friends with them, so it's up to us to act accordingly and listen to them. Can you outline what women should looking for to tell the difference clearly?	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/10/24 12:45 AM
9	Women generally don't want us men to try to be friends with them, so it's up to us to act accordingly and listen to them. What?! First off, friends should actually care about you - don’t put up with someone who expects you to be their shoulder to cry on but then gives you a cold shoulder when you need to cry on theirs. Some people are simply selfish and bad friends, sounds like she was that way. It also doesn’t sound like she saw you as just a friend if she didn’t want you dating other women. Hope she’s an ex-friend.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/10/24 12:39 AM
4	How would you react if your son was accused of SA, and he denied it? It’s so dependent on the circumstances it’s tough to answer. If I’m close to my son and believe him to be a good person, I know what he gets up to and who he hangs out with and there have never been any red flags in his behaviour or attitude towards women and sex before, then I will need more than a woman’s accusation to convince me he’s guilty. I don’t think false accusations are at all common, but I won’t judge my son as guilty until there is strong reason to doubt him. He is my son after all.…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/10/24 01:59 AM
–	What do women feel about the wives of famous athletes who exhibit narcissistic and attention seeking behavior? I admit I am judgemental sometimes about such people. I morally disagree with extreme vanity and attention-seeking - which means I don’t have a great opinion of anyone who posts lots of photos of themselves or who’s life seems to revolve around garnering social approval and pretty points. I think even less of people who use their children to gain even more social clout and attention. However, not everyone who shares aspects of their family and personal lives is guilty of this - it’s a case by ca…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 07:04 AM
1	Women who are against and mad at paternity test. Just....why? It’s a tricky thing. Women go through an awful lot with pregnancy and birth - and usually see it as something they are not only doing for themselves, but doing for the man. Giving him a child. It’s a big deal in a relationship. Now, if you’re a woman who knows she is not a cheater, has no behaviours in her past that would cause him concern for her loyalty, knows the relationship is close and loving and has never before heard the man express paranoia or distrust - then him wanting a paternity tes…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/24 07:27 PM
7	Women who are against and mad at paternity test. Just....why? For me, timing matters. Even if a man asks after the birth it’s not a cut and dry “leave him” - but it would hurt me and it would make me want counselling because it’s just a big deal to suddenly feel so insecure in the relationship and in my trustworthiness. It signals a deeper problem in his mental state and I don’t want to be completely callous about it, but I still think it’s understandable for a woman to feel like she’s being accused of something she has to prove her innocence over. If a wo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/24 07:58 AM
1	Women who are against and mad at paternity test. Just....why? If he’s sure, then what is his reason? Has he always known he wanted a paternity test if he ever had kids? If so, why wait until the baby is born to let the mother of his baby know that is what he expects for his personal reassurance? It just doesn’t make much sense to spring it on a woman you supposedly love and have complete faith in that you need proof the baby she has carried for 9 months and birthed is yours and not another dude’s she was secretly sleeping with…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/24 07:31 AM
2	Most Women are too trendy to trust their dating advice, so asking them is pointless I don’t disagree with you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/09/24 10:34 AM
2	Most Women are too trendy to trust their dating advice, so asking them is pointless Do you agree that men are just as likely to be competitive with other men and care about how their partner is perceived by other men? Because, I see that men are frequently very conscious of how the girl they date makes them look in front of other men. I don’t see women making any more out of it than men do.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/09/24 12:07 AM
22	The case of Gisèle Pelicot has me wondering, what percentage of guys would rape if they thought they could totally get away with it? She was unconscious. Even if some of the guys believed she was in on it as a fetish, they should have asked for some proof of that (to meet her awake beforehand, even see a recorded message of her saying this is what she wanted - though that is not really consent in the moment either) - not just take the husbands word and have no problem when presented with an unconscious woman and then going on to pleasure themselves with her body. Undoubtedly some will argue they thought it was consensual, but…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/09/24 03:12 AM
1	Men, what negative dating/relationship experiences have you personally had with women? This is the nuanced take that often gets trampled by binary thinking around here. It doesn’t stem from malice, women are certainly conditioned (and probably also through some instinct also) to be non-confrontational and somewhat vague about their wants and needs. It needs to change for the good of relationships as they are built on open communication. Women need to be better at recognising what they really want when it comes to men, relationships and sex and communicating that in a healthy, resp…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/24 06:01 PM
8	CMV: Airlines allowing women to avoid sitting next to males is a step in the right direction It just seems like a big shift for a pretty rare occurrence. I can see it being attractive to some women, especially in India where assaults are more common. I just don’t want to see more segregation in the world, we have enough division and distrust.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/08/24 04:22 AM
9	CMV: Airlines allowing women to avoid sitting next to males is a step in the right direction I’ve had a few uncomfortable encounters with men trying to chat me up on planes and other transport when l’ve traveled alone (most have actually been men from that part of the world, sorry to say). Some men can’t take a hint and will keep talking and asking personal questions, but I’ve never felt unsafe, just a bit annoyed. Sometimes it’s just an older man who is a bit lonely or is a nervous flier. As long as they’re respectful, I try to be a decent person and be polite. I don’t want to see it b…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/08/24 03:50 AM
5	All things considered the best suggestion for men in USA dating wise is to be sociopathic Sex is fun with the right partner - but it is demonstrably more risky for women and also women generally have lower sex drives, so it’s not exactly the same as it is for men. Also, providing an heir is not just having sex - it’s gestation, childbirth and breastfeeding. All of which come with risks and long term changes to a woman’s body. Making it out to be just an expected thing so it doesn’t count as providing something or as a condition for being loved and provided for by a man doesn’t add up…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/08/24 03:33 AM
4	All things considered the best suggestion for men in USA dating wise is to be sociopathic True. Thanks for reminding me of that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/08/24 02:09 AM
6	All things considered the best suggestion for men in USA dating wise is to be sociopathic Sex is a condition. And providing children takes a whole lot of risk, pain and work on the mother’s part. Traditional men didn’t love a woman who sat on her ass all day doing nothing. Through most of human history women have provided for their families also - foraging, harvesting, making clothes and food, working for wealthier families, in factories, etc, etc. It’s so incredibly ignorant, disrespectful and sexist to dismiss all the work women have done and continue to do for the good of men and …	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/08/24 01:45 AM
4	All things considered the best suggestion for men in USA dating wise is to be sociopathic It’s not true at all. Tell me exactly how women are loved unconditionally. Or dogs?	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/08/24 01:36 AM
4	All things considered the best suggestion for men in USA dating wise is to be sociopathic I’ve always thought this is a narrow-minded, bitter take. It’s fundamentally untrue, but it gets repeated online like some kind of profound message. Dogs are treated like shit by many, many people - they are not loved unconditionally. They generally have to be aesthetically pleasing, obedient and/or fulfil some other purpose for someone (guarding/intimidation, farm work, hunting, etc) - they are not loved for simply existing. And neither are women. Women need to be pleasing to look at and be aro…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/08/24 01:36 AM
5	Why do we men have to lie about loving the way she is? You really think most people just decide to eat too much and get lazy in isolation? You don’t think stress, depression/anxiety, the habits of those around them, underlying health issues (not uncommon to start with an injury and struggle to get exercise momentum back) play a role? Instead, they considerably change their eating habits and stop exercising just because - and they were previously slim and fit? No, I don’t think it’s that simple. There are many studies outlining how getting fat is oft…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/08/24 10:16 AM
11	Why do we men have to lie about loving the way she is? Weight gain usually has causes beyond someone just choosing one day to stop moving and eat more. Especially if they used to be lean and active. It’s not cancer, sure, but it is a health problem that isn’t as simple as laziness and gluttony. If someone gaining weight and becoming less physically attractive to you means you can no longer love them, then other problems that could negatively alter a person’s physical appearance are just as much of a problem, right? You’re saying physical attraction …	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/08/24 04:03 AM
–	Child support should be completely optional Can you explain how a woman is not accountable for her actions in this scenario? Whatever the outcome, the woman pays once she gets pregnant - whether she terminates, gives birth and adopts the baby out or keeps the baby. She doesn’t get out of any responsibility in any of those outcomes. They all come at a physical and financial cost to her.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/08/24 07:16 AM
2	CMV: women aren't empathetic caring individuals Yes. If I liked him, was attracted to him and we connected, I wouldn’t dismiss him because of that. I’m a late bloomer myself with ADHD and a weird upbringing creating a lot of social anxiety and avoidance issues. If I was a totally neurotypical woman with a more typical life story I would understand finding it off putting though. A lot of “normal” men wouldn’t date an older virgin woman either - because “there must be something wrong with her”. There are men who don’t want virgin women past a c…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/24 12:52 AM
3	CMV: women aren't empathetic caring individuals Sure. I personally don’t.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/24 12:26 AM
3	CMV: women aren't empathetic caring individuals Empathy can actually discourage a person from advising someone else to lie. People don’t normally want to be lied to, so you are empathising with the recipient of the lie when someone asks you if they should lie to get what they want.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/24 10:11 PM
2	While it can be annoying for women to be expected to shave their legs, I think it's preferable to the complete lack of uniformity of body hair grooming standards for men You want women to band together and decide once and for all that body hair is attractive - or unattractive - on men? Come on. It doesn’t work like that. I personally think the only body hair on men that can be a bit “much” is lots of back hair. Otherwise, I don’t care - it’s up to him and I don’t really find it integral to his attractiveness. Some women will disagree with me. I think that’s a good thing - to have varying opinions and preferences…but some men seem to want a cookie-cutter template…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/24 09:22 PM
45	Relationships are not worth if sex rarely happen There have been studies showing that women tend to desire sex less when they are stressed, whereas men are more likely to see sex as a way to relieve stress. This kind of makes sense as sex can lead to pregnancy for women, which may be less desirable when she’s stressed. So, you are saying that if a woman is really attracted to a man, then she should view sex as stress relief, like a man does - when it really doesn’t work that way for a lot of women. His attractiveness to her has nothing to do w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/24 12:56 AM
5	Women often confuse drama for passion and that's why they get bored of stability You’re twisting the most commonplace reasons women feel men have withdrawn or are apathetic and bringing in less common ones like he doesn’t change jobs or move often enough. I have barely ever heard a woman complain about that - “he’s had a stable job for 5 years, what a bore!” Or “we’ve lived in this same house for 6 years and he doesn’t want to move - what’s wrong with him?!” Those are not common complaints from women. You know what is common? “He used to dance with me impromptu, he wrote me …	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/08/24 01:50 AM
5	Why are male celebrities so succesful when it comes to attracting young women with a massive age gap? I don’t think all women (or younger men) in age gap relationships are being taken advantage of. It depends on so many things. But I am confident in saying that every 14 year old in a relationship with a grown adult is being taken advantage of. No matter how start struck they are. How physically attractive they find the person. How impressed they are by their money or fame or whatever. The older person is taking advantage full stop in that case. Attractiveness has many facets. Looks, personality,…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/24 03:19 AM
5	Why are male celebrities so succesful when it comes to attracting young women with a massive age gap? No it’s not. We acknowledge that sometimes people who are victimised have not made the best choices - but that ultimately doesn’t matter because the actual responsibility for hurting someone lies with the perpetrator. You could be called stupid for walking alone somewhere with a high crime rate and flashing cash and then being robbed - but the police will still arrest the person who robbed you because we expect decent people not to take other people’s money just because they can. You can be both…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/24 02:52 AM
3	Why are male celebrities so succesful when it comes to attracting young women with a massive age gap? Your question is not simple. When you are 14 you are extremely impressionable and cannot be considered as capable of reasoned consent as an adult. So, Priscilla may well have not been “forced” to marry Elvis - as in, he didn’t bind and gag her and drag her to the altar with a knife to her throat - but he insinuated himself into her life before she was able to think critically for herself about the ramifications of marriage. He manipulated her because he knew she was impressionable and naive and …	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/24 02:46 AM
4	Why are male celebrities so succesful when it comes to attracting young women with a massive age gap? They are victims of their own shallowness AND also victims of being taken advantage of by someone who knows full well that they can use their status to get what they want. You can be a victim of someone’s immoral actions while also contributing to your own victimhood by being dumb/gullible or shallow. The person with more power is usually given more blame because they are being wilfully manipulative when they know the other person will have a harder time saying no. We tend to view a celebrity as…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/24 02:05 AM
9	Attending a rap concert was a humbling experience as an average guy. Most women you see in day to day life would not touch the misogynistic rapper and want to be his 9th baby mama. Most women are not groupies ready to give a rock star a BJ backstage while he doesn’t know her name. Fact is, there are gold diggers of both sexes out there who will do Madonna or a rapper in the hope of getting money and social status out of it. That doesn’t mean all women or all men would.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/08/24 08:25 PM
–	A lot of society does not appreciate motherhood until no one wants to do it. Most women do not say that men are literally useless. Those bitter hags on The View don’t speak for most women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/24 11:35 PM
1	Most of the "AWALT" generalizations made (especially by red pillers) on this are sub false, because they are only true about a tiny bubble of always online Americans, not the general population of people around the world. Sure, I think there are quite a few autistic folks around here who take things too literally. But what I am arguing is that using the term “all” is really not necessary when saying “women are like that” would do? And maybe you haven’t seen it, but I have certainly debated with men here who will say it literally does mean all.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/24 11:40 PM
2	Most of the "AWALT" generalizations made (especially by red pillers) on this are sub false, because they are only true about a tiny bubble of always online Americans, not the general population of people around the world. Ok, thanks for explaining. Thing is, less than 50% of first marriages end in divorce (it’s 43%) and women do not “take half your money”. Unless you married a woman who earned nothing while you were married and had no assets of her own (which is surely quite unusual in this day and age), then you are splitting up assets and money that belong to both of you that you agreed to share when you got married. Also, divorce being initiated by the woman does not mean she unilaterally is to blame for the d…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/24 08:11 PM
1	Most of the "AWALT" generalizations made (especially by red pillers) on this are sub false, because they are only true about a tiny bubble of always online Americans, not the general population of people around the world. So it’s logical for women to say ALL men are rapists? Or ALL men are cheaters? Or ALL men are harassers? Or ALL men have violent tempers? Or ALL men are inconsiderate and will take me for granted? Because we can’t know he doesn’t until we have lived a life without being subjected to any of those things? We can’t say “some men cheat” until we have lived in a relationship or marriage until its conclusion and he didn’t cheat? Is that what you’re saying? I don’t get it. Virtually every woman has bee…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/24 07:36 PM
3	Most of the "AWALT" generalizations made (especially by red pillers) on this are sub false, because they are only true about a tiny bubble of always online Americans, not the general population of people around the world. Yeah, that’s another classic tactic in confirmation bias. I’ve heard arguments here that amount to “only RP/my take on female nature can be right because you can’t ever trust women to be honest, they’re always virtue signalling and they don’t even know what they want. But I/we know who they really are and what they really want and what is best for them”. It’s a tale as old as time of a vocal, controlling minority of men thinking they are superior and justifying their misogyny by dressing it up a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/24 07:24 PM
1	Most of the "AWALT" generalizations made (especially by red pillers) on this are sub false, because they are only true about a tiny bubble of always online Americans, not the general population of people around the world. Women have not made up a framework of very negative male traits and called it AMALT - but I know what you mean. I was only pushing back on the idea that it’s never meant to be “so common that those who are not like that are a rare outlier” - a lot of RPers will say it is essentially all women and they will double down on that. Why have an acronym with ALL in it if it’s meant to be taken as a soft generalisation? It just makes RP look irrational. Drop the All and just say “women are like that” an…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/24 07:14 PM
6	Most of the "AWALT" generalizations made (especially by red pillers) on this are sub false, because they are only true about a tiny bubble of always online Americans, not the general population of people around the world. I have had conversations here where it is reiterated that it truly is ALL women and if somehow a woman doesn’t fit, she is a snowflake unicorn anomaly. How many percent do you think is meant by AWALT?	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/24 06:43 PM
1	Telling men not to treat women as sexual objects and to stop watching porn is just word salad and does not provide any real benefit to men Sure. That goes without saying. People want to be liked and will sometimes allow themselves to be taken advantage of in the hopes of being wanted and approved of. That’s insecurity and people pleasing for you. Men do it too. It’s unhealthy and it’s very common to have trouble with boundaries - especially perhaps for women who are quite often socialised to be pleasing and submissive (there is also a natural tendency for this I think). Ultimately they are responsible for their actions, but it’s al…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/24 07:34 AM
5	Telling men not to treat women as sexual objects and to stop watching porn is just word salad and does not provide any real benefit to men Not in the least. Immoral people are degenerate and I avoid them if I can. Doesn’t mean I don’t understand how they can be successful in the world. I hate that they are, don’t mistake me.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/24 04:41 AM
2	Which are you picking: my turn, I've tried making it interesting! No way to Michael, sorry. I just wouldn’t be attracted to someone who can’t talk about anything more complex than the weather. Even if he looked like Jensen Ackles, it would be a hard pass. James is appealing because he is really into me, we can have complex discussions, share interests and he’s very physically attractive. But how does “extremely possessive and jealous manifest”? I don’t want to be worried that he’s going to flip out because he thinks I looked at a guy a second too long or he wa…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/24 03:26 AM
3	Telling men not to treat women as sexual objects and to stop watching porn is just word salad and does not provide any real benefit to men An ugly fat woman has more power in dating than a multimillionaire male celeb? Can you explain your reasoning?	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/24 02:18 AM
6	Telling men not to treat women as sexual objects and to stop watching porn is just word salad and does not provide any real benefit to men I think a lot of women are not into being degraded, not sure why you think the majority of women do? A lot of women are insecure and people pleasing and will do what they think a man really wants even if they don’t like it. It’s stupid and wrong and there are plenty of women I’m sure who do these performances saying they want to be choked and spat on and called a whore and the guy is not into it and thinks it must be what she really likes so he goes along with it…and they both don’t really enjoy…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/24 02:15 AM
9	Telling men not to treat women as sexual objects and to stop watching porn is just word salad and does not provide any real benefit to men Sure it does. Lacking respect for people gets people lots of things. If you’re audacious, pushy, demanding and DGAF how people are hurt by giving you what you want you will often gain material things, superficial clout and sex more easily than people who go the respectable route. Men who are ok being manipulative, coercive, unscrupulous and demanding will manage to get more sex than men who are respectful, discerning and collaborative. It’s the same with many things sadly in life. Gold diggers a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/24 02:07 AM
7	Why are woman so infatuated with wade wilson? How exactly are all men held accountable for the minority of men that commit sexual assault? Most people would agree that it’s ridiculous to say “all men are rapists” or “because some men rape, this means something dark about male nature that is present in all men”. When men here bring up hybristophilia, they are trying to say that it’s in women’s nature to be sexually attracted to psychopaths and violent men. Women don’t look at the men around them and think “he’s a rapist just waiting for his …	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/24 07:57 PM
16	Why are woman so infatuated with wade wilson? I know very little about this case, but this is nothing new - a small subset of women are infatuated with and write to men convicted of high profile violent crimes. It’s been termed hybristophilia and is a sexual mental disorder, or paraphilia. It really doesn’t say much about women in general that some women develop disorders and delusions. Any woman who thinks a man who murders women for fun is “misunderstood” or “just needs to be loved” “he wouldn’t hurt me - I can fix him” has a few screws l…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/24 11:25 AM
–	Gay men love men more than women do Most of the celebrity guys you see women crushing on got on our radar through a character they played that we found sexy, then their public persona through interviews and the like so that combined with looks, we develop a sexual attraction. You don’t get women “flicking the bean” to a catalogue male model in his underwear with no backstory to who he is, how he sounds, the way he interacts with others...The same goes for men in real life. It’s not just “you’re hot, let’s get it on” - looks matter…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/24 11:55 PM
17	Why do women not seem to have empathy towards sexual needs of men? I have empathy for lonely men who lack affection and connection with others. I empathise with anyone who desires an intimate relationship and cannot get one. Sex is a part of that, but just a part. When men centre everything on the act of sex, yes, I admit it’s hard for me to empathise with that. You are saying that you have a need that is dependent on a woman’s body. What do you expect women to do if we do truly empathise? Empathy is not going to create a higher libido - nor is guilt or pity. M…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/24 11:07 AM
1	If women wanted marriage and commitment only I agree with everything you said. Women are not angels or perfect at picking partners. I don’t actually see anyone going against that - we know women make mistakes, some are attracted to traits that have a dark side and hope it won’t be dark towards them, some have saviour complexes…we acknowledge that women are human and humans are not all that smart when it comes to sex a lot of the time. I try not to generalise men and women, I know many people online do - men and women are equally guilty of …	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/24 08:34 PM
10	If women wanted marriage and commitment only Those women were sick in the head and don’t represent your average woman. Does what negative things a small minority of men do represent the average man?	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/24 07:30 AM
1	The hatred of single moms comes from jealousy. You may be right. I just think it’s far more complex than shaming people. It works for some, as we both acknowledge, but not for everyone. And we won’t solve obesity by making even more fun of fat people and telling them they are ugly and unhealthy. That’s already commonplace - aside from the small “fat acceptance” movement, very few fat people are happy with their weight and there are a lot of tropes and jokes that make fun of them. Most will try to lose weight at various times and will succeed…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/24 09:35 AM
3	The hatred of single moms comes from jealousy. I would say that shaming is minimally effective at actually solving these sorts of problems (obesity, children out of wedlock), it is perhaps somewhat effective at preventing them to begin with. Shame is not what keeps most slim people slim - a lack of shame is not what makes most people gain weight. We live in a society that makes it clear that being slim is preferred - we also grow up viewing a family with a mum, dad and kids as preferable to a single parent. Nothing is quite that simple thoug…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/24 06:56 AM
1	When it comes age gap relationships, what is considered too big of a age gap? They’re uncommon, but they exist. My uncle married a woman 10 years older when he was in his late 20s. They are still happily married almost 40 years later. I know another couple where the woman is 9 years older. Most couples I know, the man is older by 1-4 years, but some were born in the same year. I actually don’t know any where the man is significantly older.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/24 08:46 AM
2	People tend to misunderstand female body positivity on this sub. Wow - that’s really toxic to call you fat when you were obviously very fit! It might help some people lose weight or not gain it, but it makes it worse for many people too. The fact that obesity is on the rise despite virtually all mainstream beauty standards around the world centring on being ideal weight or often somewhat underweight goes to show that it doesn’t really help to make people feel like they’re ugly because of their weight. If anyone is actually becoming obese because they feel enc…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/24 03:11 AM
16	People tend to misunderstand female body positivity on this sub. Beauty culture in those countries is incredibly toxic. Not saying the West is any better, but shaming people and having extremely unrealistic beauty standards is not positive, even if it means their obesity rates are lower. But still obesity rates are rapidly climbing in Asia too - shaming truly doesn’t work to motivate most people, there is plenty of data to support that. There is more to obesity than that, it’s very complex.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/24 02:32 AM
1	CMV: women with delusional standards due to sexual attention from appealing men are the functional equivalent of men who fall for strippers who just want their money I mean, it makes some sense. Older women are considered less desirable by all ages of men than young women - men tend to care about looks and youth above all else. Desirable traits in men tend to be less geared towards looks and more towards confidence, competency, resources and social standing. Young men tend to be lacking in those areas compared to older men when women are looking for relationships - a 18-24 year old guy often seems immature compared to a 25-35 guy. It’s more nuanced than that…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/24 10:07 PM
1	CMV: women with delusional standards due to sexual attention from appealing men are the functional equivalent of men who fall for strippers who just want their money Perhaps.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/24 09:49 PM
1	CMV: women with delusional standards due to sexual attention from appealing men are the functional equivalent of men who fall for strippers who just want their money What you’re saying makes sense. If it’s true, what does it matter if some women have this “inflated” sense of their SMV? I think those women, like most desirable women, will eventually find someone to have a long term relationship and kids with. I don’t think it ruins them for life or relationships to have had “flings with Chad” - but I still think not that many women do, so it really isn’t of any major cultural significance.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/24 09:27 PM
2	CMV: women with delusional standards due to sexual attention from appealing men are the functional equivalent of men who fall for strippers who just want their money How many women are getting with men objectively well out of their league? And how many “points” above qualifies as such? If a woman is a 6 and has sex with a man who is a 7, is that enough? Or does he have to be a rare 8+? How are we rating the men? Facially? Height? Build? Money? Social status? It’s all so subjective. Do squarely average women and men not factor at all into your reasoning - i.e. most people on the planet? You’re only talking about above average people… Women in general do not h…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/24 08:54 PM
0	What are the ideal traits of a partner Many men care about hair and will say that they don’t prefer short hair on women, for example - ideally. I’ve seen many men express a preference for certain hair colours, I doubt it very often means it’s a dealbreaker if he meets a woman he likes but her hair is not his favourite colour or length…My dad has criticised my mother’s hair more times than I can count - he thinks it’s too frizzy and “untidy”. Just because her hair isn’t his ideal, doesn’t mean it ruined his attraction to her or means …	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/07/24 03:57 AM
6	Male sexlessness should be taken about as seriously as the orgasm gap. Openness and treating a woman like an individual is most important, regardless of experience level. There’s nothing inherent with being a virgin or inexperienced that means a man will be a poor sexual partner.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/24 06:57 PM
5	Male sexlessness should be taken about as seriously as the orgasm gap. I didn’t say it would make a man an expert - but it would at least show him where it was. And there’s porn with women receiving oral and having clitoral stimulation. A virgin man is not in the dark completely and if the woman he’s with communicates, then it won’t take long to learn what she individually likes. But I know it can be common for women to lack the confidence and communication skills to convey what she likes - and some women don’t even know…so, yeah, it’s not simple. But it’s also mor…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/24 06:52 AM
10	Male sexlessness should be taken about as seriously as the orgasm gap. I think you’re exaggerating a bit here, but I get your basic point. There is pressure on men to perform and being a virgin man, especially at an older age is even more fraught with pressures and hurdles. I don’t know how to collectively make it easier and I think shaming or avoiding inexperienced men is stupid. I also don’t think that most men truly don’t care and don’t try to give pleasure. There are women with their own hangups about communication around sex that don’t help matters either. We …	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/24 06:46 AM
5	Male sexlessness should be taken about as seriously as the orgasm gap. I can? But why doesn’t he care? Why doesn’t he want to make sure I enjoy our mutual experience through his contributions? Why should a woman put herself at risk of pregnancy for a man who doesn’t even have enough care in him for another person to rub her clit or give her oral? A man can just jerk himself off while a woman sits on his face, I guess? Why does he need a woman to stimulate his penis? Unless the sex you’re having is solely for making a baby, a man’s orgasm isn’t necessary - it’s a pu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/24 06:36 AM
21	Male sexlessness should be taken about as seriously as the orgasm gap. A man doesn’t necessarily need experience to make a woman orgasm. What he needs is to care and show interest in the pleasure of the women he is engaging in a supposedly pleasurable activity with. Why wouldn’t he want it to feel good for her too? Why does he expect her to bring him to orgasm with her body, but if she doesn’t orgasm from what does it for him, then it’s “too bad for her, I got minel? A virgin man has very likely these days seen porn, knows about the clit and its (approximate) locat…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/24 05:09 AM
1	What exactly is the "blue pill" solution to solving a deadbedroom? Women often have a lower libido when they’re unhappy, stressed and not having a good rapport with their partner. Men think it’s all about physical attraction and superficial charm because that’s what is most likely going to cause them to go off sex - that they are no longer as physically attracted to the woman. Men are also more likely to see sex as a comforting thing when they are stressed and even if they’re angry or emotionally distant from a woman, they probably still want sex with her becau…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/24 10:41 PM
–	Without enforced monogamy, civilization will not last. As I said, it’s up to you how you filter women. I am only pointing out that many women will have a guy or two they were into (even if it didn’t “go all the way”) that was a bad choice and they have readjusted their preferences as a result. This means they haven’t been “consistent” like you want. And sure, there are good girls raised in good families that have always been very serious about who they date and sleep with and have maintained a consistent standard for a man since they were teens. I w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/24 10:19 PM
–	Without enforced monogamy, civilization will not last. That’s your right. But you are blanketing any woman who had a casual encounter when she was drunk and horny with a “hot guy” as being somehow forever unable to genuinely desire and be in love with any man you deem lesser - and that is more in your imagination than anything. What you think of as “better” might not be better in her eyes at all - but you think you can make that judgement even though you weren’t involved in whatever she had with the guy at all? That’s for her to judge, not you. Cons…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/24 06:24 PM
8	Without enforced monogamy, civilization will not last. I’m talking about what OP is proposing - “enforced monogamy”. The only way to do it is to take women’s rights away and heavily push people back into a traditional way of marriage and gender roles. Because that genie is not going back in the bottle by desire from the woman’s side now that so much has changed for women. Women don’t want to be forced to marry the first man they meet (or their parents choice for them or whatever) and have kids young and be forced to stay married for life while the m…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/24 06:17 AM
10	Without enforced monogamy, civilization will not last. I’m not convinced that the decline in birth rates is as catastrophic as some say. We will likely find ways to adapt. It’s a more certain catastrophe if we take rights away from women now and force them to marry and have children against their will, if you ask me. I don’t think the only choices are: civilisation collapses (entirely because of women) OR force marriage and pregnancy onto women like they’re breeding bitches…I have more faith in humanity than that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/24 03:55 AM
5	Q4W: If you're part of the 70% of women who never orgasmed from PIV, are you okay dying without ever experiencing it? Is this PIV alone with no clitoral stimulation at all? Like not even the guy’s pubic bone rubbing the clit? Just straight thrusting?	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/24 02:00 AM
8	Without enforced monogamy, civilization will not last. 43% of first marriages end in divorce - so a little over half of marriages do last. It’s still a commitment when you are legally combining your lives to such a degree - I’m not sure how you can argue otherwise. It may not be as strong of a commitment compared to the past… And do you have anything to back up your “reasons” for women initiating most divorces? Those aren’t the reasons I’d first think of, but they are the sort of vague, biased reasons I’d expect a Red Pill type to list as if they ar…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/24 01:57 AM
8	Without enforced monogamy, civilization will not last. Men do the exact same thing if they can. Many men fantasise about sleeping with hot women and then one day they’ll “settle down” and take life more seriously with a woman they find attractive and are compatible with. Women are human beings first and foremost. Many human beings are a bit impulsive and selfish when they’re young and have the freedom to live that way. Especially if their culture glamourises it for both sexes as ours does. This is not a uniquely female dichotomy. It’s not “fair” to …	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/24 01:49 AM
18	Without enforced monogamy, civilization will not last. This is so typical of the attitude of many Red Pillers. Women are to blame for literally everything. And they don’t contribute to any of the good achievements of mankind - that’s all men’s doing, right? Women get no credit for being supportive and encouraging and literally doing good work themselves. But the bad stuff? “Women supported those bad men and their policies, single mothers are bad parents, women pick bad men, men want sex so they’ll be bad people to get it because of testosterone so w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/24 01:15 AM
4	If men are more wary of men than they are of women, then women are definitely justified in being more wary of men than women Absolutely!	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 04:49 AM
1	Women‘s opinions lock men in a mental prison So, women need to decide when they’re a teenager how they wish to appear to men forever more, right? Because men around here don’t seem to give women second chances or allow them to be human and make mistakes when they’re young, dumb and horny. You do anything in your past that puts you in the wrong category, you’re tainted forever. There are many, many married men that pay for porn, onlyfans, follow IG influencers, salivate over figures that don’t exist in nature by way of anime and game charac…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 04:48 AM
1	Women‘s opinions lock men in a mental prison I would give the example of a large number of men giving lots of attention and spending money on overtly sexual, promiscuous-seeming women while often also saying these women are “not wife material” or are less respectable women for their look/behaviour. On one hand you have men validating women for doing what excites men and what men seem to want (for women to be visually sexually appealing and sexually available) but on the other hand women are often shamed for this and told they “look better …	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 02:09 AM
–	Once you reach a certain level of attractiveness is there any incentive in working ? We have very paradoxical messaging these days: “be yourself, love yourself, we’re all beautiful individuals worthy of respect” coupled with “you gotta get yours, it’s not your problem if they’re not up to speed, you need to look out for no.1”. We seem to have forgotten “be the better man” or “treat others as you would like to be treated”. It’s a shameful, degenerate mess and I shouldn’t really be surprised anymore by the new and “clever” ways people are “entrepreneurs and business owners” throug…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/24 09:45 AM
–	Once you reach a certain level of attractiveness is there any incentive in working ? I had to look up Findom - and wow, talk about zero self respect. The women “doms” are awful people. Men with no self esteem and probably mental health issues and predatory, abusive women - what a combo. It’s very sad. Any woman who takes advantage of men like that is unethical.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/24 08:56 AM
1	Q4M: What would you change about this woman's personality in order to date her? As I said - fair enough. I also think that woman is too heavy for most people to consider her attractive. Just out of curiosity would this be sexually repulsive to you? She’s clearly overweight, but not obese. Heavier than ideal and much heavier than standard models and celebs, but I think she’s the more common overweight where I live and I don’t think she looks bad personally.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/07/24 08:44 PM
1	Q4M: What would you change about this woman's personality in order to date her? So even if this woman’s personality was just the right fit for you and she was 100% onboard with anything sexual that you wanted to do, as often as you wanted to do it and gave great BJs or whatever, you still could not be sexually satisfied by her because of her weight? That’s interesting. I feel like if I knew a man was going to be great for me in every way but he was simply not great to look at, I think I’d start to view his looks more positively because of all the other great stuff about him…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/07/24 08:10 PM
2	There is nothing “creepy” or “predatory” about 30-40 year old men wanting to date or sleep with 20-25 year olds, it isn’t men’s fault women don’t age well Lol, men at best age a few years behind women - not a decade. Girls at 14 will often look more “grown up” than their male peers, but by 16-17 most boys get taller, fill out and look the same age as the girls. Most men and women look at their objective physical prime before 30 (I can’t think of one hot guy who truly looked less attractive in their mid-late 20s than they did in their mid or late 30s), some will age more slowly (or simply their beauty isn’t really reduced by the signs of aging) tha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/07/24 03:57 AM
5	It's honestly ridiculous how much easier dating is for the average woman these days “Life” encompasses the day to day - not just the extremes. We can throw the worst things that can happen to each sex back and forth. There are advantages and disadvantages to both sexes. Some are completely biological. Some are societal - with roots in the biological. Saying that “women live life on easy mode” is blinkered and lacking empathy. I could say the same of men because some of their advantages make aspects of life irrefutably easier from both an objective and subjective viewpoint. Fact…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/24 09:35 AM
2	It's honestly ridiculous how much easier dating is for the average woman these days Saying “women live life on easy mode” is easily one of the most irrational and self-centred things I’ve heard repeated in this space.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/24 07:40 AM
1	Besides looks, what trait are you MOST attracted to in a woman? I’m not sure I’d call that innocence, but I get what you mean. I like that quality in others as well - being jaded is never a very attractive trait. Maintaining a kind of joyful curiosity and appreciation for life is important. It’s also sadly not all that common in either sex.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/24 11:28 PM
2	Besides looks, what trait are you MOST attracted to in a man? Sincerity. A man who is genuine and follows his heart is very attractive to me.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/24 07:39 PM
4	Besides looks, what trait are you MOST attracted to in a woman? Can you elaborate on innocence? What traits or behaviours exhibit innocence in a woman? Is it an outlook that makes someone innocent - or a lack of experience? And can a woman still seem innocent and youthful to you when she is 30 or 40 or 50? Like if you were to commit to her long term, maybe have a family with her, etc? Does she have any chance to remain attractive to you when she is no longer youthful in appearance and has more experience in life?	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/24 07:28 PM
5	Women seem to have a "threshold of unlove" for maleness. It seems to me to be framing women as morally inferior when you claim that men love women in some purer and deeper way. Do you think men love women like women love children? Or simply that women only have love for children and men only have love for women? Love for children is quite distinct from love for an unrelated adult. Love for children is usually quite unconditional. I don’t think men love women in that way. I think men love the “concept” of women and they desire women - but more akin to …	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/24 04:59 AM
8	Women seem to have a "threshold of unlove" for maleness. Angels are all male in the Bible. Angels historically are often depicted as young men and are not muscular. God - or the leader of the Gods - is a man in basically all religions. The depiction of women in a religious sense or as a personification of a concept - as in Liberty - is seldom going to be sexual or even about being attractive. Male Gods are not always depicted as strong and handsome either. Beauty standards have also varied a lot over time - what you think of as a less attractive femal…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/24 03:09 AM
12	Women seem to have a "threshold of unlove" for maleness. Men depict other men positively plenty. Men are depicted as morally superior to women (all organised religions put men above women in this regard), as warriors and protectors, as intellectuals and artists, as builders and creators - and as literally God and Angels…If I was being ungenerous I’d say that men depict women positively in a very narrow kind of way - when they conform to a man’s standards and expectations of her gender and as possessions or objects to be coveted. Sometimes as mothers o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/24 01:34 AM
3	What’s your definition of the pills and why did you choose yours You wrote this far more succinctly than I could. I agree.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/06/24 11:56 PM
11	A woman listening to Red Pill influencers and taking their advice to heart is a sure way to attract abusers and narcissists Thank you. So many men on here dismiss these truths about how common it was (is still in some societies) for women to be mistreated AND the men to continue to see themselves as protectors and providers for “ungrateful” women. They just have such rose-tinted glasses for what they see as a charmed life for a woman “in the past”. It has been common in history to view women as inferior and that was always going to open many women up to being abused - by men simply not seeing women as fully people an…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/06/24 04:07 PM
2	Does our media actually reflect our tastes or should we be offended by how the other sex is portrayed? Tell me about it. I particularly hate the all female cast remakes of popular male-centric movies. Women have their own stories to tell and yet we’re shoehorning women into male roles and calling it “empowerment”? It’s insulting. And lazy. And a clear money-grab disguised as some kind of righteous “rebalancing”.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/06/24 11:05 PM
1	Does our media actually reflect our tastes or should we be offended by how the other sex is portrayed? It’s very interesting that both men and women look at their characterisations in fiction and don’t see enough nuance or variability. Men have done most of the writing for popular fiction - tv sitcoms, cartoons, action movies, games, popular romcoms…mostly written by men. The ones I can think of that are written by women are not any less “charitable” towards men than men are towards men. It’s usually all the same stereotypes regurgitated over and over regardless of the gender of the writer. Truly…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/06/24 09:13 PM
1	How would the world look if women ruled it? Can you link to those studies? Googling studies myself I find ones saying that women are more generous and empathetic than men on average. I mean, none of these studies are absolute and I’m open to changing my mind - but when I look at the world around me and the men and women I know, anecdotally women seem to be more empathetic and generous than men usually.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/24 09:26 PM
1	How would the world look if women ruled it? To have a balance of traits and cooperation just seems logical to me. One sex or one set of traits dominating everything just won’t be very good in the long run - not just for the individuals who are being marginalised, but overall for the species. There are studies showing that women are more altruistic and generous than men. Doesn’t mean it’s set in stone or isn’t largely socialised into the behaviour of men and women though.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/24 05:53 AM
2	How would the world look if women ruled it? It’s just not simple. I don’t think women are necessarily more moral, but I think there is evidence that women are generally more altruistic and less physically violent. There are pros and cons to that when it comes to running a government or society. There is an immorality to inaction and complacency as well, which I think women are more prone to…Ultimately, in my view, it’s not ideal to have either sex be the most dominant - we need cooperation and a balance of traits.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/24 05:17 AM
2	How would the world look if women ruled it? I think men and women have different approaches to things. Figuring out the morality of that is complex and not really my point.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/24 04:19 AM
1	How would the world look if women ruled it? I thought Gorillas essentially have a polygamous harem structure? So, the females don’t mate with any male other than the Silverback leader of the group? It’s quite different to monogamous pairings - such as in some birds. I have heard that about the “scoop” penis and that is interesting. It seems with how complex humans are, we likely have had long term societies in various parts of the world across time with very different mating structures from one another. There is no one “right” way to do i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/24 01:17 AM
-1	How would the world look if women ruled it? Fascinating. I’ll have to read up on that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/24 01:12 AM
2	How would the world look if women ruled it? When I look it up it seems to say that yes, these things happen and male bonobos are more aggressive than they used to think (and they tend to aim their aggression at other males, whereas male chimps are more likely to be aggressive to females) but they are largely peaceful and that cannibalism is very rare. In fact if you google “do bonobos kill each other” it says that there are no reports of this happening. Though they have been observed hunting and killing chimps on occasion. I mean, clearly…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/06/24 11:11 PM
2	How would the world look if women ruled it? A woman doctor in my country recently spearheaded groundbreaking genetic research in Motor Neurone Disease. Female Nobel Proze winners such as Donna Strickland, Elizabeth Blackburn, Carol Greider and more made discoveries and contributions that are important to our scientific progress and understanding. Here’s a page with some details and citations if you’re interested. Wikipedia also has a long list of female innovators and inventors that I knew very little about.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/06/24 11:00 PM
2	How would the world look if women ruled it? There are many women who have made breakthroughs in science in recent years - and also quite a few from before women were commonly in the field. What exactly are you looking for? Major technological breakthroughs by women? Inventions by women? Women being lead medical researchers or head engineers or architects? There are women who have made achievements in all these areas. Not many, but they do exist. And with more and more women training and working in these areas, I expect we will see more wo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/06/24 10:43 PM
1	How would the world look if women ruled it? You don’t think that some of this lack of interest stems from having to take a backseat to men and to put so much more energy and focus into raising children? With women having more freedom now to choose a life beyond an almost endless cycle of pregnancy, child birth, breastfeeding, etc you do have many more women interested in formerly male-dominated fields. Not as many, but certainly a growing number. I think we can plainly see that many women are not hardwired to want to be barefoot and pregn…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/06/24 10:15 PM
2	How would the world look if women ruled it? Patriarchal animal societies also push out sexually mature males and have a dominant male that gets basically all the females. Males have to compete for dominant status or they have to placate the dominant male and keep submissive so they are not seen as a threat (Gorillas, Chimps). Or they go off and form their own groups of bachelors (like with Lions). Because males of many species have a tendency to get violent and kill the babies of females that they haven’t mated with, of course males are s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/06/24 08:41 PM
3	How would the world look if women ruled it? Do you really think women are incapable of problem-solving in the absence of men - or if men had lower status? I don’t think we’d be in the same technological state as we are now if women were always in power, but I think we would definitely have evolved beyond mud huts and campfires. Women are not stupid or incapable of ingenuity.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/06/24 08:25 PM
8	How would the world look if women ruled it? I wonder how much of this is the women sort of “overcompensating” for not being men? In those times, women were raised to see themselves as inferior to men in most aspects of life - particularly in leadership and courage. I can see them being particularly brutal in order to prove their worth as leaders when women were generally seen as completely unsuited to such a role. If those women had been raised in a more matriarchal or egalitarian society I wonder if it would have made a difference? It’s …	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/06/24 08:21 PM
0	Spouse First or Parent First Children come first. Doesn’t mean that you can neglect your relationship or your spouse - but decisions need to be made with the wellbeing of the kids at the forefront. Sometimes that means you don’t get as much time together or get to prioritise each other the way you did before kids. I think it’s important for couples to still have time for just the two of them - kids are with a babysitter, etc. But if your relationship can’t weather the focus being on your kids a lot, then you shouldn’t have …	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/06/24 05:55 AM
–	How much prevelant is the belief system in rp that "women are not built to love men they can only love children, they only test men". Do you all personally believe it? If you don’t have kids, then sure, your partner comes first. If you do, kids should always take precedence if it comes down to it. Doesn’t mean you can neglect your partner, but they shouldn’t come before children overall. As you have ASPD, I’m not sure you can really speak to how men in general define love. I believe I have read your take before on what defines unconditional love. I don’t agree with it so we don’t need to rehash that. I think we have to agree to disagree.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/06/24 04:15 AM
–	How much prevelant is the belief system in rp that "women are not built to love men they can only love children, they only test men". Do you all personally believe it? But how can you put both children and a spouse first in the priority list? Good mothers would put children above men in this list. Good fathers would also put children above women in this list. Therefore it is a different kind of love, isn’t it? So anything less than a mother’s unconditional love for a child is not recognised as love by men? Can you outline how a woman would show a man she loves him in the way he wants to be loved? What sort of behaviours would she need to exhibit? And would you…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/06/24 03:17 AM
–	How much prevelant is the belief system in rp that "women are not built to love men they can only love children, they only test men". Do you all personally believe it? So do you believe there is only one type of love? Or that men want to be loved only the same way a woman loves her child? How do men love women?	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/06/24 02:39 AM
6	How much prevelant is the belief system in rp that "women are not built to love men they can only love children, they only test men". Do you all personally believe it? This was probably the most shocking claim I heard when I first discovered “manosphere” spaces. It’s almost dehumanising to look at half the human population and declare that they are incapable of genuinely loving men. Some also say that women are incapable of empathising with men. Along with the common RedPill AWALT claims that women are more emotional, more solipsistic, more dishonest, less capable of self-reflection and less loyal than men - it adds up to misogyny plain and simple. It’s seeing…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/06/24 01:14 AM
3	Elon Musk and Talulah Riley: a case study on female hypergamy That is not true.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/06/24 11:31 PM
18	Elon Musk and Talulah Riley: a case study on female hypergamy This doesn’t prove that all women would do the same as Talulah - any more than Musk divorcing his first wife of the same age as him after she’d had his children and then chasing a much younger woman is proof that all men would trade a loyal wife in for a younger model if given the chance. Or do you agree that most men are that disloyal? Women who value men for their money and social status above all else exist. Women who value men for their looks first and foremost exist. You get men here compla…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/06/24 06:41 AM
64	Elon Musk and Talulah Riley: a case study on female hypergamy This doesn’t prove that all women would do the same as Talulah - any more than Musk divorcing his first wife of the same age as him after she’d had his children and then chasing a much younger woman is proof that all men would trade a loyal wife in for a younger model if given the chance. Or do you agree that most men are that disloyal? Women who value men for their money and social status above all else exist. Women who value men for their looks first and foremost exist. You get men here compla…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/06/24 06:41 AM
8	Ladies with high standards, no judgement, what are your standards and how do you justify them? You know someone who complains about a man being 6’2”? What does she say, lol? Ridiculous.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/24 04:41 AM
7	Desexualization and Insecurity Sex subreddits about guys who have certain attributes are likely mostly populated by gay men. Women are more into celeb men, fictional characters or erotic fanfiction or fantasy cosplay and the like - “contextual” sexualisation of men, not purely based on physical attributes. It’s simply different and expecting like for like is unrealistic. At least, that’s my read on things.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/24 03:40 AM
7	Desexualization and Insecurity Are there any subreddits mostly run and populated by women who celebrate or fetishise certain body types in men? Women look at this differently to men. You can’t say that because there aren’t so many women with the corresponding niche body part/type fetishes as men that women are wholly unattracted to men who are short or have small penises, etc, etc. It’s not the same thing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/24 03:33 AM
6	The phrase "every man pays" makes as much sense as "every woman pays". I’ve had men cry on my shoulder and tell me their life story. I have supported men through things and not expected anything in return - I just wanted to help and I cared. Thinking all women hate men and have no empathy for men is completely warped and demonstrably false. Same as believing women don’t enjoy sex at all. Believe it or not, women also experience having people not be there for them or dismiss them when they open up. I know I have. There are fewer truly good, supportive people than th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/24 01:44 AM
2	Long term relationships fail a cost/benefit analysis for men outside the top 20% Your comment and your desires in a partner are perfectly reasonable. No one expects anyone to magically be able to feel attraction towards someone they find physically unappealing and with a lifestyle and interests that are incompatible.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/24 12:12 PM
16	Long term relationships fail a cost/benefit analysis for men outside the top 20% I do know many women who can talk in depth about things far deeper than TikTok challenges. How old are you? I even chat to my boss’s 15 year old daughter about interesting topics and ideas - it’s hard for me to believe you know very few adult women who can. She’s a pretty typical teenage girl who can be dramatic, shallow and silly but even she can talk about things much more interesting than TikTok and trends. Of course, I can also think of men who only have a narrow range of interests and will …	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/24 06:23 AM
25	Long term relationships fail a cost/benefit analysis for men outside the top 20% That’s very sad. I think you must be deeply incurious yourself if you have only met women whose sole value ends with her physical score out of 10.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/24 04:51 AM
9	Long term relationships fail a cost/benefit analysis for men outside the top 20% So simply being fat makes them beneath their husbands? No other qualities can make them worthy? What makes the men so much better than them? Why do they stay with women they see as so far beneath them?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/24 04:46 AM
16	Long term relationships fail a cost/benefit analysis for men outside the top 20% If a woman is a 4/10 physically by your estimation is that enough to put her “beneath you in every way” if you’re a 5/10? And does simply dating a man who is a point or two above make a woman entitled? Or what other behaviours make you call a woman entitled?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/24 04:40 AM
–	Bojack Memes: Misogyny and Fatphobia or a Reflection of Desperate Male Experience? Of course women don’t like it. For many women, sex is not only more hit-and-miss when it comes to pleasure, but it’s also much more risky than it is for men. Finding out that a man is just interested in nutting in you but finds the idea of being seen with you shameful and that he doesn’t like your company beyond sex, is humiliating and deeply hurtful. He’s essentially valuing you as good enough to carry his genetic lineage, but not good enough to invest more than his semen in. Women also grew up…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/24 02:01 AM
5	Women enjoy sex, but is it ever mentally "fulfilling" to them? Yeah, I mean - clearly if you know one or both is not actually “fertile”, that consideration isn’t really there. I guess for some people the deeper part of our consciousness which has these concerns is harder to quiet than for others. There are women who don’t worry much at all about getting pregnant and it seems to impact their choices with sex very little. There are others who will lifelong (well after they can no longer get pregnant) be cautious and have a more pragmatic approach to sex becau…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/05/24 07:21 PM
28	Women enjoy sex, but is it ever mentally "fulfilling" to them? One way to look at it is that sex is a potential “beginning” for women in the “lizard brain” sense. You could get pregnant, it could be the start of an enormous chapter and responsibility in your life. Many women also hope the man they had it with is someone she will have a future with too. For men, it could be seen as an “ending” - sex is something you feel driven to seek and have, it takes a woman choosing you and then you get to the climax and that is all achieved. If she gets pregnant, the l…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/05/24 06:51 PM
–	If Society “Doesn’t Hold Women Responsible”, What SHOULD Society Be Doing to Them? Neither do I. How you can do that to your own baby is beyond me, but people get all sorts of ridiculous notions about fitting in - or the religious stuff behind it. It should be illegal and that’s that, imo. If you need it for medical reasons, fine, but culturally circumcision should not be normalised.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/05/24 11:45 PM
–	If Society “Doesn’t Hold Women Responsible”, What SHOULD Society Be Doing to Them? I’ve heard men say they want their son’s penises mutilated to match their own and so they don’t get made fun of. There are still men and women (and medical professionals) who defend it as being more hygienic. It’s not all on women. It’s a sick indoctrination that is thankfully on its way out in many places, but it needs to be pushed back on even more.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/05/24 08:26 PM
–	If Society “Doesn’t Hold Women Responsible”, What SHOULD Society Be Doing to Them? Yeah. Female soldiers may not be as versatile as male soldiers - but they can definitely perform many roles as well as men. There were Soviet female snipers who were very effective in the second world war. Women can fly planes as well as men, shoot as well as men…If we’re talking hand to hand combat or having to carry heavy weights over long distances, women are definitely at a disadvantage, but they can be utilised in other roles. It’s not like we’re fighting medieval battles with broad swords …	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/05/24 08:13 PM
1	Women. In the following either/or scenarios, which women would you advise a man to choose? That’s really up to him and his preferences. If he wants kids, then a woman who barely has any free time due to being the breadwinner is probably not the best choice. If not and she’s truly happy to pay the bills, fine. 2 & 4. Personality, sexual compatibility and being an overall supportive and engaging partner will always trump looks. What does it matter if she is objectively a 4 or 5 if they have good sex and she has a personality he really likes? If a rating of her looks matters that much, t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/05/24 10:41 PM
1	TRP will not solve your problems Well, I basically agree with you there. I don’t think being promiscuous is a great indicator of a relationship-minded person. Virgin is a bit much though in this day and age unless the woman is religious. Putting effort into the relationship is a no-brainer and men need to be less accepting of lazy, selfish women. What are “activities relating to promiscuous women”?	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/05/24 07:52 AM
2	TRP will not solve your problems What is “petite” to you? Petite to me describes a particular body type that some women have, but just as many don’t - even when they’re in a healthy weight range. The reality today is that most men and women are not skinny. And I would describe even fewer women as petite. If that’s what you see as a “decent” woman, then yes, they are not so common. Mentally healthy? Does that exclude neurodivergence or only psychiatric illness? Again - a lot of people have recognised disorders today, with self a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/05/24 07:48 AM
1	TRP will not solve your problems Just like I don’t know whether you’re a piece of shit, you don’t know whether I’m the sort of person to jump to that conclusion - so let’s give each other the benefit of the doubt. Your definition of decent seems reasonable. I’m not convinced that the majority of women are generally rejecting decent men in favour of men who are out of their league - but, it’s possible. It’s also possible that what you call decent and “at your level” isn’t as reasonable as you think. Men and women value and prior…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/05/24 07:36 AM
3	TRP will not solve your problems Can you describe a “decent” woman in your book? I’m just interested in what traits put a woman in that category.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/05/24 03:06 AM
0	Men, on dating apps, should to be more open to women not seen as conventionally attractive. Not really. Average looking women are not “hot” or beautiful women. They have unremarkable faces but are not what you’d call “ugly”. I see women like that all the time. Dunham and Schumer are older now, but they were never ugly. They were just plain girls and a bit chubby, as many women are today. Can you link a picture of a celeb you think is truly average looking?	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/05/24 11:39 PM
2	Polls results from UCSB students (from yik yak) How does that translate to “people have families because they lack education”? People have more kids in poorer and less educated areas, that’s a fact.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/05/24 05:35 PM
2	Polls results from UCSB students (from yik yak) I said “unsure” about kids - which is what the poll also says the majority of these young women are. Most women know that having kids is hard. Many young women are “on the fence” rather than certain they want children. I don’t see what is hard to understand about that. A lot will be sure they want kids later on when they have found a partner and have some financial security. Most college kids are not focused on starting a family yet.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/05/24 05:30 PM
1	Polls results from UCSB students (from yik yak) Not what I said, but you seem determined to twist things to match your worldview…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/05/24 08:31 AM
5	Polls results from UCSB students (from yik yak) No matter how you look at it, pregnancy and birth is hard on women. There is no “easy” about it. Complications from it are massively underreported in many parts of the world. Even in the West, complications are often not talked openly about. In religious and poor communities, birth rates are higher because of social conditioning and lack of education and limited/no access to birth control. When women have better education and less economic and religious pressures, they choose to have less childr…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/05/24 08:28 AM
3	Polls results from UCSB students (from yik yak) How can you put all the blame on feminism for women not wanting kids? Having kids is objectively extremely hard on women and is also financially burdensome. We know more about that in this day and age than ever before. It’s not surprising that a lot of young women are unsure about having kids.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/05/24 08:19 AM
2	Men, on dating apps, should to be more open to women not seen as conventionally attractive. Lena Dunham and Amy Shumer are not bottom 20% women? They’re average looking.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/05/24 07:24 AM
3	If a woman has the right to an outing to pregnancy, a man should have access to that same outing with no problems. It’s not fair to put the onus on women for birth control. If you have access to better forms of birth control for your side of the equation but you refuse to do it and say “that’s for women to take that shit” then you are removing a layer of protection against pregnancy. It’s not fair biologically and it can’t be made symmetrical by saying men should just be able to walk away consequence-free if they have sex with a woman and she gets pregnant. Women have to shoulder the consequences no matter w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/24 11:19 PM
4	If a woman has the right to an outing to pregnancy, a man should have access to that same outing with no problems. Where is the equality there? You won’t do more to prevent your side of getting a woman pregnant but you think women lack accountability and men’s options are too limited? Both men and women are responsible for preventing pregnancy if they don’t want a baby. Only women can do anything meaningful about it once they have become pregnant - whether that’s an abortion, birth and then adoption or raising the baby herself - she takes all responsibility and risk for the outcome of the pregnancy. That isn…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/24 06:51 PM
6	About dating younger women I did read all of that…but I have to say, you sound very…unusual in the way you analyse things. You also seem to hold a dim view of women. I’m glad I don’t look at life in the same way. I appreciate you taking the time to explain your reasoning, but I don’t agree.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/24 05:15 AM
7	About dating younger women 15?! That is way too young. Peak fertility in women is late teens to late 20s, btw - not mid teens. Also, pregnancy and birth complications are higher in adolescents than in women over 20. It is clearly not in a girls best interest to be having babies in their mid teens. You are still physically growing and developing at 15 - not to mention how much psychological maturity takes place beyond that point too. Historically the age gap in marriage has been around 7 years - not 15 and beyond. Grown me…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/24 02:45 AM
2	Women's shame related to masturbation I agree. To add to that, we also need use of filters and photoshop to be explicitly stated. And even cosmetic procedures should be made plain. So many people have warped beauty standards because they actually believe the celebrities and influencers they see as the most beautiful naturally look like that. It’s extremely damaging.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/24 10:43 PM
–	Q4W: Would you marry a male that checks all of your boxes except one - "has great chemistry"? I mean that culturally we push tolerance of people’s gender diversity and sexual orientation. We don’t want people to be judgemental of people’s individuality and preferences - but at the same time, people are actually very intolerant of views and behaviours outsides of what they consider morally “right” or inoffensive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/24 10:40 PM
–	Q4W: Would you marry a male that checks all of your boxes except one - "has great chemistry"? Yeah. It’s weird how we push tolerance today but individually we’re actually less tolerant than we used to be I think.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/24 10:04 PM
2	At what age would you not have a problem with a woman dating a man 20 years older than her? Bad time to answer this question as I just watched a video about a 49 year old murdering his 26 year old wife…it seems to me that it’s inherently a less stable relationship when the man has such an age gap with a much younger (and almost always much more physically attractive) woman. Jealousy over her being around attractive men her own age, feelings of inadequacy as your physical appearance dwindles much faster, feeling superior and entitled to more control over her choices because you are like…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/24 09:46 PM
2	Women's shame related to masturbation Yeah. Everything gets mixed up with sex even when it shouldn’t be. There is a shame attached to being open about just the natural biological processes of genitalia. It’s a failure in education and has roots in puritanism. Like educating children about their bodies and what to expect as they go through puberty is going to turn them into sexual deviants or something… Girls feel embarrassed about natural discharge and periods and don’t truly know the anatomy and function of their own reproductive o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/24 09:07 PM
–	Q4W: Would you marry a male that checks all of your boxes except one - "has great chemistry"? My parents have been married for 50 years. They certainly have had ups and downs and there are things they dislike about each other. But at their core, they get along well and can talk about anything and care deeply about each other. Facets of that initial attraction and chemistry may have faded and sure, familiarity inevitably breeds some modicum of contempt - but if you love someone and you actually make an effort to stick around when things aren’t so rosy, you will have a long-lived relations…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/24 08:58 PM
0	Q4W: Would you marry a male that checks all of your boxes except one - "has great chemistry"? It doesn’t if you actually like each other’s company. I’m not talking about lust or newness - but actually enjoying the personality and behaviour of the person and just feeling good in their presence.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/24 02:36 PM
4	Women's shame related to masturbation That’s true. I remember boys being mocked for getting perfectly natural erections and thinking that was unfair. It may have been more talked about, but not always positively. Thanks for your question and considerate responses in this thread.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/24 07:56 AM
8	Q4W: Would you marry a male that checks all of your boxes except one - "has great chemistry"? Chemistry is paramount - box ticking not so much. Attraction and love are not a rational list of attributes. You can be the perfect man on paper, but if I don’t feel good in your company and like we can talk with ease and share comfortable silences…it just doesn’t matter how many boxes are ticked. Why would I commit to someone I don’t feel good with? A highly visually attractive man with a good job and clout can leave a woman cold if there’s no chemistry - because it isn’t all about those things…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/24 07:20 AM
4	Women's shame related to masturbation I guess I was fortunate that I sort of accidentally discovered how to masturbate when I was like 12…But I can see how a girl might not know what to do or even to think of trying anything in that way. It really was just a random thing that made me realise something felt good - but I had no idea what a clitoris was then, nor would I for a while after. Many girls don’t get educated about their own anatomy properly. I got my period at 11 and it was a shock - my mother had vaguely outlined that it ha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/24 07:09 AM
1	The trad-con and manosphere assertion of femininity being inferior is why many women turned away from femininity I agree and would add that emotions can also be important in decision making as we are an emotional species. It can be detrimental in some spheres where emotion creates bias and is generally irrelevant to the process - but it can be vital in other spheres. Like most things, it is not black and white.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/05/24 12:00 AM
3	The trad-con and manosphere assertion of femininity being inferior is why many women turned away from femininity Can you expand on femininity being inferior? See, to me, both masculinity and femininity are necessary for the survival and wellbeing of humanity. So one cannot be truly superior to the other - they are symbiotic and complementary. Framing one as superior is unnecessary but it is something that many strive to do, to the detriment of all.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/24 11:57 PM
5	Social media hasn't just raised standards through access, it's also exposed us to the awful realities of male and female behavior Women have always worked, unless they were wealthy. There were many women working once the Industrial Revolution got going - in factories and workhouses. Both men and women worked in the “working classes” to save each other and their families from starvation. Women could not live alone - generally they would be shamed by society if they were single past a certain age and they didn’t have the legal rights in many places to be independent of a man (father or husband or even brother or uncle). It w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/24 07:03 PM
–	The View has declared men useless on mainstream television I’m not in the States, so perhaps I am missing how powerful The View is. What they said about men being useless is disgusting and when I watched a clip of it on YouTube I felt appalled that this was accepted. They should be forced to apologise. Most of the comments seemed to feel the same as me. I don’t know exactly how many women agree with them, but I do know it shouldn’t be on mainstream tv.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/05/24 09:15 PM
–	The View has declared men useless on mainstream television I’m sorry, I wasn’t thinking about academia. It’s not a space I’m involved in but I can see from your words that you feel marginalised and silenced by the strong feminist narrative and that shouldn’t be the case. I can imagine that there is little room for certain open discussions because of the accepted narrative that is hyper-sensitive to any criticism of feminism. That should not be happening in academic or scientific spaces where debate should be encouraged, no matter how uncomfortable. I gu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/05/24 09:00 PM
–	The View has declared men useless on mainstream television Educate me on this. My understanding was the rape laws (such as those in the UK) have always defined rape as penetration - and because women cannot penetrate men in the same way, that is why men are excluded from the definition. I disagree with that, for what it’s worth. But was it feminists who forced that definition? Where have feminists forced rape laws to change to exclude male victims?	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/05/24 08:19 PM
-2	The View has declared men useless on mainstream television I think people believe men can be victims - but that it isn’t exactly symmetrical when you compare Tate and that type of ideology/culture with the more acceptable feminist narrative that can be too accepting of anti-male stereotypes and rhetoric. The historical and present manifestations of misogyny are stark and women fear it because it’s happened and is happening still in large parts of the world. The anti-male narrative seems weak and impotent by comparison, but deceptively so. It’s easy to o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/05/24 08:01 AM
-1	The View has declared men useless on mainstream television Tate is worse and the men who staunchly defend him. Not men in general.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/05/24 07:47 AM
5	The View has declared men useless on mainstream television I agree that shitting on men has become too widely accepted. I think it’s erroneously tolerated because people believe it’s harmless. Perhaps it is in the sense that it’s not like women are going to cause men bodily harm or change laws to take away men’s rights - but, like you say, it alienates and radicalises young men who feel maligned and silenced. I just wish people had more genuine empathy for one another. The women on The View are bitter and vapid. We need less of that type of person. And …	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/05/24 07:46 AM
2	You wander through forest alone and you stumble upon a lone guy, would you rather the guy is 20yo or 40yo? I’ve traveled alone a bit and come across men in the woods or in some quiet place where I thought I was alone. We said hi and went our separate ways. I’ve met a couple of pesky guys on public transport and one or two who actively followed me and made me feel unsafe (when I was a young teen though). But, most men are good natured and mean no harm, I know that. That being said, it’s slightly more worrying to meet a lone man than a lone woman when alone myself, but not truly in a “this is how it en…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/05/24 04:29 AM
6	The View has declared men useless on mainstream television I hate The View. I disagree vehemently with women calling men useless or laughing at men having their dicks cut off. Even if it’s not the point of the whole show and those comments are often poor attempts at jokes or offhand remarks. The fact that they are not taken seriously is not ok - they should be made to apologise for those comments. But Tate is far worse to me and the fact that his platform is not mainstream does not make it any less truly influential.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/05/24 04:14 AM
6	The View has declared men useless on mainstream television I completely agree. The way the women on The View talk should not be acceptable - it’s horrible and doesn’t align with genuine feminism. Putting down men was never what it was supposed to be about. At “best” it’s juvenile and bullying, at worst it’s actively damaging to men’s psyches (especially young men). But Tate is on another level. He has 9.1 million followers on X alone (The View averages 2.5 million viewers a season) and his Youtube channel racked up 450 million views in 2 years and had 6…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/05/24 03:58 AM
9	The View has declared men useless on mainstream television Looking up viewer numbers: The View averaged 2.5 million. Tate has 9.1 million on X alone. I would argue that Tate has far more influence on young men than The View has on young women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/05/24 03:38 AM
–	What's your dating hot take? Something you believe from your own dating experiences that this sub would typically disagree with? I would add it also applies to women who actively post regular sexy selfies and videos on social media and talk about their dating lives and what kind of men they deserve and all that. A certain kind of person does all of that - generally a superficial, playing the field type who is harder to please and more entitled than most. Just like the hardcore, vocal red pill and manosphere guys are a certain type. A lot of what is said online negatively about dating and the opposite sex is coloured by th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/05/24 02:36 AM
1	On average women paid $499.96 for a date and men paid $861.29 in 2019. I was asking more about this thread as it pertains to what women/men are saying goes into “paid for” dates over the year. Are women here or in that study saying that their hair, makeup, clothes are part of what they have said they pay for dates? Like part of that $499.96 number? Or is that exclusively paying for food, drink, etc on the actual date? It may be a cost associated with beauty standards, but you can’t associate it with dating expenses. Women who do that are to be avoided. They’re imma…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/05/24 09:39 PM
1	On average women paid $499.96 for a date and men paid $861.29 in 2019. I haven’t read through all the comments - are women really saying that make up and clothes count as date costs?	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/05/24 09:59 AM
4	Women are more suitable as corporate slaves. Of course not. And that’s not what I said. I personally prefer men who aren’t trying to climb the corporate ladder or describe themselves as an “entrepreneur” or “driven to succeed” - they’re often tiresome, stressed and difficult people to be around. But it’s also best if they’re not on welfare because they don’t want to work and are content to live as low effort as possible so they can game all day…There’s an in between - and that’s where most men (and women) are. There are also women on welfa…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/05/24 07:09 AM
6	Women are more suitable as corporate slaves. Men may like to live without decorations, throw pillows or scented candles and may care less about the quality of appliances and the fabric of the curtains - but there would still be many who would want their expensive gaming rigs and to buy the latest game releases, their comic/anime/gaming collectibles and on trend sneakers. There’d still be lots of men spending money on outdoor hobbies/sports or on cars or on going to sporting events and concerts. They’d still be spending money on subscriptio…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/05/24 04:57 AM
31	Women are more suitable as corporate slaves. That doesn’t back up your point that men only value money insofar as it can get them pussy. Supplemental activities also require money. Lots of men spend a lot on tech, gaming, sneakers, cars, collectibles, etc, etc. Are you saying these things don’t require a “corporate slave” income? Or that men only have an interest in these things because it might lead to pussy? You’re making men sound one dimensional and pathetic, which I don’t believe they are at all. Lots of men enjoy the perks of discret…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/05/24 01:09 AM
8	On average women paid $499.96 for a date and men paid $861.29 in 2019. No. Women shouldn’t claim make up is part of their date costs either. Just like men’s clothes and fitness and skincare are both for himself and to look more attractive. The only “date costs” are transport to and from the date, food, drink and any entry tickets or whatever related to the date. What you choose to spend on style and grooming is entirely up to you and not a direct expense for the date.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/05/24 12:55 AM
3	On average women paid $499.96 for a date and men paid $861.29 in 2019. Why can’t it be both? Women want to look presentable - to everyone not just men, but men factor in if you’re dating men - but they also enjoy the process of make up and how it makes them feel. It’s not only for men, but is it really common to insist looking good to others has nothing to do with it?	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/05/24 10:10 PM
2	Women of PPD - Are you okay using statistics to discuss your points concerning dangerous men? No. I’ve read several articles about studies that talk about men and women’s decision making styles. Nothing suggests women are less reliable or correct decision makers than men. You can’t separate emotions in human decision making - we’re not robots, our emotions always factor in on some level. And men are just as emotional as women. When talking about voting, what we most need are voters who think to the future, not just their short-term self interest and their biases. I personally see conserv…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/05/24 09:10 PM
6	Women of PPD - Are you okay using statistics to discuss your points concerning dangerous men? Oh, it’s the “men are not as emotional as women and behave more responsibly and vote more rationally” hogwash.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/05/24 12:12 PM
2	Women of PPD - Are you okay using statistics to discuss your points concerning dangerous men? What are the other reasons?	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/05/24 11:56 AM
–	"The average man is attracted to the average women, but the average women isn't attracted to the average man." According to this over 60% of men are fathers today. I would argue that historically it probably varied quite a lot and for many disparate reasons - only one of which is female selectiveness. But, it’s a complex question and hard to find data about.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/05/24 09:03 AM
–	"The average man is attracted to the average women, but the average women isn't attracted to the average man." Ok. Is that out of all males born or men reaching old age and not having kids? More males died in infancy and in young adulthood (war, accidents, etc) I believe historically - so there would be less men surviving to reproduce than women. And part of that - at least historically - is the forced harems, raping and pillaging that the most powerful men often perpetrated? It’s not as simple as women only choosing some men - it’s also some men cutting out other men by essentially hoarding women. Men t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/05/24 07:46 AM
1	Covert Narcissism and the Red Pill Man AWALT and the negative traits it says are inherent in all women. Of course, it’s mainly the “anger phase” that has the most outlandish misogyny but there still seem to be Red Pill men who believe women are broadly speaking: dumb, irrational, disloyal gold diggers who cannot empathise with men and are the “most responsible teenagers in the house”. They believe men are superior, let’s put it that way.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/05/24 07:27 AM
2	Covert Narcissism and the Red Pill Man Defining women generally as “dumb gold diggers” is not a fact, it’s a prejudiced opinion based in contempt and ignorance. You’re only proving her point. It’s hateful to define a whole demographic of people in a negative way. And yes, women who define men as, “sex obsessed man babies” would also be hateful and genuine misandrists. But, few women actually do that with any seriousness - yet Red Pill men are genuinely defining all women in their sidebar/manifesto/AWALT definition in a negative, beli…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/05/24 07:06 AM
–	"The average man is attracted to the average women, but the average women isn't attracted to the average man." Can you link to something that says most men in history died sexless? That doesn’t sound right to me, but I could be wrong.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/05/24 06:22 AM
1	Who hurt you?? Ok. I agree that men and women are different - in general - but being equal doesn’t mean being symmetrical. Equality should be about giving men and women equal opportunities and baseline respect for their individuality - i.e. not pigeonholing all women or all men into certain roles and behaviours and refusing to accept those that fall further along the spectrum. You can still do that, but respect the sexual dimorphism that is inherent (physical strength and size differences, reproductive burden …	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/05/24 08:36 AM
1	Who hurt you?? Can you expand on what makes you believe egalitarianism “destroys everything it touches”?	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/05/24 08:14 AM
4	It's important for BOTH genders to have their feelings of inferiority/disadvantage validated. I’d be curious to see the research, as most that I’ve read places women as generally more empathetic, less selfish and more altruistic than men on average. Base politeness and easy small talk is shallow, altruism, generosity and being able to put yourself in others shoes is not shallow. Women are probably a bit better at these things than men on average - it seems to be backed up by researchers and it’s also my anecdotal experience. Of course, that’s not set in stone and it does not mean that th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/04/24 08:31 PM
5	It's important for BOTH genders to have their feelings of inferiority/disadvantage validated. It is well supported by research. I am sorry it has not been your personal experience. Here are some links: Empathy Altruism Reading people	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/04/24 08:21 PM
11	It's important for BOTH genders to have their feelings of inferiority/disadvantage validated. Women tend to be naturally better at listening, empathy and reading others. These are advantages in building social relationships that are very important. Women have stronger immune systems and other biological strengths that allow women to live longer and have more endurance than men - it’s not just that men are more likely to die in accidents or have higher stress that shortens their lives. That’s just a few things off the top of my head that aren’t about babies or “manipulating men”.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/04/24 04:23 PM
3	Why is misogyny increasing on social media? Thanks for linking that. He’s spot on. He seems very balanced and I’ll be looking for more from him.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/04/24 07:14 AM
9	Can we finally end the objectification nonsense? Can't we think critically? But sex is not a transaction? Or, it shouldn’t be in regular dating and relationships. We don’t call it a transaction to have a fun time with our friends, do we? Even though there is some give and take. Unless one person is doing something for someone else that they wouldn’t otherwise be doing (like a mechanic servicing a strangers vehicle and using external resources to do it) it’s usually just an interaction with no need to compensate the other. Your perspective on this is really alien to me.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/04/24 09:23 AM
10	Can we finally end the objectification nonsense? Can't we think critically? And she’s paying with her time and effort to be with you and have sex with you? How are you paying more in this scenario? Why isn’t it a mutually beneficial activity? And how is getting pregnant all “on her”?	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/04/24 09:05 AM
17	Can we finally end the objectification nonsense? Can't we think critically? Sex is not a service though. It’s not the same as an oil change in a car. A woman could get pregnant. There are nuances in motivation, emotion and circumstances. You’re talking about human beings having a mutual experience, not paying for a service. Unless you are procuring a blow job from a sex worker, I really just can’t see it as the same thing. We’ll have to agree to disagree.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/04/24 06:46 AM
22	Can we finally end the objectification nonsense? Can't we think critically? Sex is not a “service” a woman “provides”. It is not the same thing - unless she’s a sex worker.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/04/24 06:06 AM
24	Can we finally end the objectification nonsense? Can't we think critically? Women out in the world, living their day to day lives are not the same as a doctor in their work hours or a mechanic in his shop offering their services for a fee. It is not a good comparison. They are not reduced to their utility - they advertise their specific services, have customer/patient agreements and are protected by labor laws, etc. Now, if you were approaching them out of hours and/or trying to get their services for a payment they don’t agree to, then it would be similar perhaps. Redu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/04/24 04:30 AM
38	Can we finally end the objectification nonsense? Can't we think critically? You’re comparing approaching women for sex to going to a mechanic for an oil change for your car? Do you see how that is not the same thing - at all? If you were comparing it to going to a sex worker you’d be closer to the mark… Objectification is not simply wanting to have casual sex with women and finding the female body sexually desirable. It’s reducing women’s value to her looks and sexual utility alone. It’s disregarding her opinions, personality and desires and overwriting them with your o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/04/24 03:37 AM
–	Can someone explain why women are seen as the romantic gender ? Maybe the dichotomy of men has something to do with women usually deeply desiring romantic gestures? Men can be very blunt/detached about sex and their sexual desires can be very objectifying - they can want several women at once and not want to spend time in their company unless it’s sexual. They can wholly focus on body parts and care little about the woman’s personality. But they can also be very emotional and loving about sex with the “right woman” and want it to be monogamous and bonded and…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/04/24 10:39 PM
–	The emergence of men who hate women on social media: why do men do this? I don’t watch reality tv, I’m a bit too judgemental and admittedly elitist for it. There’s a lot of things I don’t like about modern expressions of “femininity” and I disagree with a lot of what it feels like women are expected to be, feel and present in modern life. But I also think much of this is true for men as well - culture seems to be influencing people into being materialistic, individualistic and shallow. I’ll say it again, it’s disgusting for those women to have laughed at the man bein…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/04/24 08:09 AM
–	The emergence of men who hate women on social media: why do men do this? Your hostility is uncalled for. You are assuming I have some agenda - I don’t. I am trying to understand in what ways and through which avenues misandry is acceptable and commonplace. I said that might be fair about The View but I don’t know enough about it. As you say, as it is a network show, it would be considered mainstream so that is fair enough. I don’t know specifics of how much misandrist content there is on it. And no, I can’t think of a mainstream talk show or something similar that is…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/04/24 07:56 AM
–	The emergence of men who hate women on social media: why do men do this? Yeah - sadly, you’re not wrong. Shallow values are promoted today - but not just in women, it has to be said. It’s absolutely disgusting that a man being mutilated was joked about - that should be called out for how callous it is. It is true that those sorts of “jokes” aimed at men are more culturally acceptable - they shouldn’t be.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/04/24 06:09 AM
–	The emergence of men who hate women on social media: why do men do this? I don’t know that much about it except that what I have seen seems kind of unhinged - and that seems to be quite a popular opinion if the hosts of The View. I’m not sure what the ratings are like, but they may be a bit low to call it truly mainstream. But, yeah, that might be fair if they get away with being really misandrist, I guess?	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/04/24 05:31 AM
–	The emergence of men who hate women on social media: why do men do this? In my experience, “you go girl” is often uttered in response to women having ambition, drive and courage to do what they want. It often isn’t in response to any behaviour towards/about men - but rather encouraging a woman to do her own thing and not be too concerned with the opinions of others. It may also be about a woman deciding to break up with a man who is not treating her right (according to the women’s views) or voicing what her boundaries are. In bad ways, it can be said to a woman who i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/04/24 05:23 AM
–	The emergence of men who hate women on social media: why do men do this? Sure, there are some shitty behaviours that some women will reply “you go girl” to - I just don’t really see a lot of pointed misandry out there in the mainstream being celebrated so I was looking for examples.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/04/24 03:39 AM
–	The emergence of men who hate women on social media: why do men do this? I’m curious because I am very likely blinkered about this - but can you give some examples of celebrated misandry in mainstream culture? How is “you go girl” misandrist?	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/04/24 03:21 AM
5	Do you think men hit the wall when women became educated and financially independent? Is that a serious question? Do you only want casual sex with women? No relationship or children and long term commitment? If so, this is a major reason why many women distrust men’s motivations towards them, we get the messaging plenty from childhood that beauty is our only value in men’s eyes. That sex is all men care about and who we are as people is largely irrelevant. So, if beauty is all that matters to men, it is a shaky foundation for love and relationships - especially now that we don’t …	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/04/24 08:39 PM
–	Why does society only entertain the idea of choice when it's comes to women?? It literally cannot be made symmetrical - women have responsibilities, burdens and advantages that men cannot share in because of biology. There is no making it totally fair and equal. Men have advantages over women that can’t be evened out entirely either. Life isn’t fair, news at 11.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/04/24 07:41 PM
2	To what extent have women been oppressed in history? Of course they did (and many still do - especially in some cultures), as some are wont to do when told they are inherently superior to others and what they say should go without question. Thankfully today a lot of men and women have broken free of that conditioning and recognise that women have the ability - and the right - to make their own decisions. It’s still sadly prevalent in many parts of the world to view women more like property than autonomous human beings…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/04/24 06:05 PM
9	To what extent have women been oppressed in history? Exactly. Power often corrupts and it leads to abuses - doesn’t mean all those that have power over others are abusive, but they still have that power and those that don’t are in a more vulnerable and “oppressed” position. AFAIK saying “women were oppressed” was never intended to mean that men had it easy historically and were personally and maliciously holding women down for their own gain…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/04/24 07:49 AM
3	Do you consider makeup, shapewear and image filters as false advertising? Depends on just how much it improves your appearance…I mean, with your comparison of a guy taking a girl out in a very expensive car and suit and it turns out he has neither and is just taking you for a cheap burger you are sort of saying a woman can go from average to a supermodel with her makeup/shapewear. That isn’t possible. Wearing a bra makes my boobs look perkier than they are - is that false advertising? Should I go braless to show men the “real me”? My legs and armpits are naturally hai…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/04/24 05:23 AM
0	It's a good idea for men to get practice girlfriends I’m sorry for your pain, I really am. Believe it or not I do know what it’s like to feel alone, emotionally at a total loss and just done with it all. It’s a deeply dark place to be and I hope you will find some light to guide you in a better direction, as cliche as that may sound.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/04/24 12:01 AM
2	It's a good idea for men to get practice girlfriends Failed relationships may be “practice” technically in the end, but that is not the original intent. Intentions matter. A person with the intention to use someone who they see as not really good enough for them as a stepping stone for someone better is immoral. Do you not feel outrage when you hear about women using well-intentioned men for free meals or to do other things for them under the pretence of actually desiring to date him? I do. Those women are scumbags too. But, what is being suggeste…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/24 11:35 PM
4	It's a good idea for men to get practice girlfriends Where does the responsibility to not be a piece of shit trying to take advantage of someone come in? Is the victim of other types of deception by a person without agency? Don’t we condemn people all the time who seek to scam and manipulate others for their own ends? Do we tell their victims that they can just “walk away” and it’s essentially their problem? No, we rightfully call the perpetrators of those crimes and manipulations pieces of shit and socially try to ostracise them. Yes, women can l…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/24 09:24 PM
8	It's a good idea for men to get practice girlfriends Well, not all women agree with each other - and not being able to tolerate a woman talking about right and wrong because you tar all women with the same brush is ridiculous. And men say they are not as emotional as women?! So because some women think this way you think it’s ok to manipulate and lie to an innocent woman? That’s despicable. If you really believe women are morally inferior, be the bigger person then and do the right thing. Don’t sink to the low level you put women on, that’s pathet…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/24 06:50 PM
14	It's a good idea for men to get practice girlfriends There is something wrong with it if you are deliberately misleading and manipulating an innocent person who you are “practicing on”. It’s sadistic. Men who think it’s ok are scumbags, plain and simple.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/24 06:24 PM
3	Everything you use is invented and built by men is a faulty argument. Stop using it Come on. There is no comparison between the risk, effort and pain women put into creating life and the pleasurable, seconds-long ejaculation men put into it (obviously many fathers put a lot in once the baby is born, but that’s not what we’re talking about). Men’s “baby batter” costs them nothing and is fun to emit - yet women have to deal with periods for ~40 years and also grow a little human (adorable as they might be) parasite inside them that can potentially kill them, will cause them disco…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/03/24 11:19 PM
1	Thought experiment on direct/indirect communication styles in women. Yeah - I guess it’s just a bit too passive for me, though I do “get it”. For a man who really hates indirect communication - as some of the guys here do - I would say it’s a red flag if a woman routinely “asks” in this way because it will annoy the shit out of him!	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/03/24 01:52 AM
1	Thought experiment on direct/indirect communication styles in women. It isn’t communication - it’s pure, childish entitlement to behave the way you lay out RP sees “girls just wanna have fun” It’s ridiculous to expect someone to read your mind. I will put a spin on your anecdote about your mom though. Although it would be more direct to ask “I’d just love it if you got me a coffee” it is also not that vague to say “time for my coffee” and perhaps expect someone to say “oh, would you like me to get you one?” That is where my mind would go - especially for my mothe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/03/24 01:48 AM
1	Thought experiment on direct/indirect communication styles in women. The ideal in this scenario is this: whoever gets up and goes to the kitchen takes any plates/empty cups with them and asks if anyone wants anything. This is what I do, and I appreciate that consideration from others. But most commonly - the second one. The first is a red flag - too indirect and comes off like a test. I mean - if you want a drink, just ask? Saying “I’m thirsty” and expecting a drink to be brought to you is childish and rude. Is it common for women to do that? I haven’t heard of i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/03/24 11:34 PM
1	Both sides are right, if you look at things from their perspective it makes logical sense, What would you say about a guy who says he doesn’t care about breast size but his girlfriend is busty? Does that mean he was lying, or that her breast size is just a facet of her attractiveness to him? Height is certainly a potentially attractive feature in men, but I don’t believe it’s as black and white as you’re implying. You can fully believe that height is not something that matters much to you in a partner and yet find someone who you like and they just happen to be taller than average. It…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/03/24 07:05 AM
2	A thought experiment for men You can’t help if that’s the way you feel. As long as you weren’t cruel to her, you tried and it just didn’t work out. Your intentions were not to use and discard - which is where it’s really horrible. My view is that if you really don’t like someone enough to give them the best side of you, you should move on ASAP. Stringing someone along because they’re useful to you for now, but you don’t see a future with them (that they are clearly anticipating) is despicable.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/03/24 10:45 PM
1	A thought experiment for men Yeah. It’s definitely a difference between male and female brains. To me physical attraction is somewhat malleable. Ok, I’m not going to be going anywhere with a man I really find hard to look at, but if he’s not unattractive and we have great chemistry, then I would still want sex and then if that’s great well his actual physical attractiveness will increase somehow (as long as it’s not completely nonexistent to begin with). It’s just a different thing. It’s like a man who is physically very at…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/03/24 06:50 PM
3	A thought experiment for men This is so odd to me. How can you think a woman is great and you have great sex, but you don’t find her attractive? I literally can’t imagine that. I mean, you absolutely are not in the wrong if you just felt there was something major missing - but, was it being seen with her that bothered you? Or even just sitting across the table from her your great sex and chemistry otherwise just couldn’t overcome that looking at her was hard? That must really suck.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/03/24 07:25 AM
1	Why do many women seem to take pleasure in rejecting certain men? So a lot of women “butcher” men when they reject them? I genuinely don’t believe that’s true.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/03/24 05:50 PM
0	Why do many women seem to take pleasure in rejecting certain men? That is only true for mean spirited women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/03/24 07:18 AM
19	The reason men "have such low standards" is because they assume that any woman they get with to change to fit the mold of their ideal life. Unfortunately I think this is true for too many men. You will hear men talk about women as if all the traditional home making stuff is not only innate, but also something women enjoy so that it doesn’t count as “work”. But men have to go out and toil and sacrifice so that women get to fulfil their hearts desires of running the household, having kids and keeping up with the family and neighbourhood gossip. It’s like they are thinking: “This makes women happy and we men are so good and generous to…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/02/24 07:11 AM
2	Is it reasonable to expect monogamy True! Saying you think so and so is hot Is quite different to telling your partner how you often fantasise about sex with that celeb and detailing it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/02/24 01:51 PM
1	Relationships are not 50/50 Exactly my perspective. Well said.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/02/24 07:21 AM
10	Is it reasonable to expect monogamy Her telling you about her sex dreams with her co worker is not normal and is very disrespectful towards you and your relationship. I don’t care too much personally about celeb crushes or porn, but people you both know IRL is a red flag. Most people may have fantasies about sleeping with others now and then, but there’s a big difference between imagining sleeping with a celeb or a character and wanting to sleep with someone you literally interact with every day. Unless you are polyamorous, monoga…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/02/24 06:31 AM
0	Why do women cause dead bedrooms but get upset when their husbands cheat? No. It’s not the same thing. Sex is not an object like food that you can withhold or give to someone. It’s wrong to unilaterally stop all sex and not make efforts to restore your sex life. But it’s not the same level of disrespect and betrayal as cheating. You can’t just switch your libido back on in most cases - it’s not a straightforward choice. Deciding to cheat is - and going out to find someone to cheat with, planning how you’re going to hide it and risking bringing STDs back to your partne…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/02/24 11:12 PM
1	Why do women cause dead bedrooms but get upset when their husbands cheat? After he says he will if things don’t change? After efforts have been made or she blankly shoots him down and says “I don’t care”? Sure, maybe she can’t say she didn’t see it coming. But she’s lost track of the lack of intimacy and he hasn’t said anything and seems his normal self but he just goes off and cheats? Yeah, she can see she didn’t see it coming. Either way, he could handle it a lot better. Call her out, don’t let it go, work on how to improve things - or leave. Don’t cheat.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/24 01:29 PM
2	Why do women cause dead bedrooms but get upset when their husbands cheat? In my country - I’m not sure about the US - 50/50 is the default. This means there is not supposed to be bias about who is the primary caregiver. If a man feels he should have more than 50% custody, he needs to prove it or get the mother to sign off. It’s no different for mothers. Do most people - with good reason - believe that mothers are generally the more involved parent? Yes. It doesn’t come from some pro-female bias - much of the time, mothers are more involved in childcare. But it doesn’t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/24 01:22 PM
3	Why do women cause dead bedrooms but get upset when their husbands cheat? 50/50 custody is the default. Most men don’t fight for more than this because they don’t need or want it. Most parents work out custody schedules between themselves. It is talked about in this context because a lot of men here who are saying men get shafted in a divorce will say things like “he loses his house and his kids and has to start from scratch” like they mean she just gets full custody, all his money and the house by default. It’s not reality. If men don’t get as much custody of their k…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/24 10:06 AM
3	Why do women cause dead bedrooms but get upset when their husbands cheat? So what is your advice for men in this situation? If divorce is not an option, then what? How is trying to help your partner recover a healthy relationship with you and sex terrible advice for men in a dead bedroom? Men do not always get the short end of the stick in a divorce. The law in most places says a 50/50 division of assets and child custody. Don’t like that? Don’t marry. I’m sorry for people who end up in a marriage that is unsatisfactory for them - but cheating is not the solution and …	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/24 09:27 AM
–	CMV: "Nice first, Asshole later" fallacy does not explain why women are attracted to bad boys/assholes. Can you give specifics about what “being an asshole” entails? I’m not attracted to men I would call “jerks” so I’m interested what “asshole” behaviours you exhibit that are attractive to all types of girls.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/24 01:16 AM
5	Why do women cause dead bedrooms but get upset when their husbands cheat? A lot of people agree with you - marriage is on the decline. I think way too many people get married who really aren’t ready to make that commitment and do not take it seriously anyway.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/24 01:11 AM
10	Why do women cause dead bedrooms but get upset when their husbands cheat? How? Because I think cheating is terrible?	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/24 12:20 AM
10	Why do women cause dead bedrooms but get upset when their husbands cheat? Divorce does not automatically ruin a man. In my country, it’s all 50/50 and most people divorce without trying to clean each other out - if that’s being “ruined” to you, don’t get married. I don’t think it’s fair for someone to decide they are asexual when they previously had a good enough libido to make for a satisfying partner - but I doubt that is what commonly happens in dead bedrooms. There are a myriad of reasons for a failing libido - if you care about each other, you try to work it out …	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/24 12:19 AM
22	Why do women cause dead bedrooms but get upset when their husbands cheat? Because cheating is never justified. Full stop. It’s cowardly, deeply disrespectful and just plain immoral. You’re not satisfied with your marriage? Communicate that, tell your spouse something needs to change and show improvement or you sadly can’t continue the relationship. Give them time to work on it. No one is going to go from “I’m not in the mood, my libido is toast” to “I’m so hot for you - let’s do it now and every day from now on!” because you gave an ultimatum. Would a man actually wan…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/24 10:22 PM
26	Why do women cause dead bedrooms but get upset when their husbands cheat? Cheating is cowardly and immoral. Even if you don’t care about being an immoral asshole, being found out means all the downsides of a divorce, plus destroying your reputation with your kids and mutual friends and family. I’ve seen it with my uncle - his relationship with his kids was never the same and everyone in the family looks at him differently too. Trying to make it work and then if your spouse won’t make the effort as well, simply asking for a divorce is 1000% better in every way than che…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/24 09:47 PM
2	When men call women “illogical,” do they genuinely believe she is literally not following a rationale? It certainly isn’t clear cut. There are times where women do seem to be dismissed as “emotional” (and therefore holistically less worthy of being taken seriously) because of the (not unfounded) stereotype of women being more prone to crying or anxiety. But men’s stereotypical propensity to being hot-tempered is not seemingly associated so strongly with being taken less seriously. Even though it’s also rooted in being emotional and not stepping back to think rationally. At least, that seems somew…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/02/24 11:13 PM
2	When men call women “illogical,” do they genuinely believe she is literally not following a rationale? That could be the case. Almost anything (especially something subjective like attraction and relationships) can be labeled as irrational or crazy if you don’t understand why they are doing it or think they are making the wrong choice. It’s more that it’s become such an easy slight against women to say “that’s illogical” that it’s also kind of lost its meaning.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/02/24 10:38 PM
3	When men call women “illogical,” do they genuinely believe she is literally not following a rationale? Do women really regularly dump otherwise well-matched men they are attracted to because of one pet peeve? I don’t think that’s a common behaviour at all. More likely they are not really that into him and the annoying little habit is just another little mark against him. Attraction is not logical for men or women. Someone can tick the right boxes on the surface and still leave you cold somehow. You can’t reverse that lack of attraction with “logic”.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/02/24 09:56 PM
–	CMV: Women want a man that they feel like “could” cheat on them, but wouldn’t actually do it. I disagree with the premise personally. I’m sure it gets some women going to feel like they have to compete - but I wouldn’t generalise that the majority of women need that feeling. But what stuck out to me in your post is that you told her “I’m not talking to any other girls because I don’t feel I have any options around here”. To me, this could be construed as: “if I was lucky enough to get more female attention close by, I wouldn’t bother with you”. That isn’t a very nice thought - to be a “y…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/02/24 12:25 AM
4	Ultimately it doesn’t matter how much you have over a woman, she will probably still reject you or not reciprocate No problem - I get it. We’re conditioned to expect too much of that BS around here!	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/02/24 09:31 PM
–	FEMTOW vs MGTOW..and the Decentering from men movement. Andrew Tate isn’t MGTOW though. Andrew Tate is an immoral grifter preying on women and even more so on men who are struggling socially snd romantically - and he is blatantly misogynistic and abusive. He thinks women belong to men and can be used to make money for them, women are the ultimate status symbol, women should not be pilots, women are “miserable stupid bitches” if they don’t want children, cheating on women is just “exercise” and shouldn’t be frowned upon…He thinks a lot about women and…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/02/24 09:29 PM
3	Ultimately it doesn’t matter how much you have over a woman, she will probably still reject you or not reciprocate Maybe you misunderstood me or I didn’t explain myself well. I’m saying that those men are clearly wrong if they think men are so static and are not influenced by other men or current beauty standards but women are easily influenced and don’t know what they want until society tells them what to want…I’ve simply had discussions with men who make out like men’s desires in a woman are unchanging and they don’t care what other men think, but women are sheep who will just go along with what others tel…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/02/24 09:08 PM
4	Ultimately it doesn’t matter how much you have over a woman, she will probably still reject you or not reciprocate Yes - exactly. Men are influenced by the social beauty standards just as much as women are. There are men online who will deny this and say that what men are attracted to is just static and age-old but women are so fickle and are influenced much more by what other women want. It’s attempting to make men out to be these independent thinkers who are always true to themselves while women are sheep who strive to fit in and don’t have minds of their own.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/02/24 09:01 PM
9	Ultimately it doesn’t matter how much you have over a woman, she will probably still reject you or not reciprocate I’ve had discussions with men online that amount to this: “men have always wanted exactly the same type of women - just a natural, healthy young woman - they are not influenced by trends or the opinions of other men like women are”. Yeah right…The arrogance and lack of self awareness is strong - and they project that onto women again and again and again.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/02/24 07:36 PM
1	Why do for a stranger what you don't want to do for your partner? We’re talking about different things, I think. I absolutely believe a man should expect - and that a man deserves - desire and enthusiasm from a woman who enters into a sexual relationship with him. But this is not connected to her sexual past and demanding that she ensure she performs the same acts or does things in the same way as she did previously is not a reasonable expectation. If you are pushing or guilting a woman to do the same things she no longer wants to do, then you are ensuring she…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/02/24 05:50 PM
1	Why do for a stranger what you don't want to do for your partner? This is what I’ve never understood about this argument of “you must give me exactly what you gave a past sex partner, or you are showing you don’t really love/desire/respect me”. How about the more glaring “tell” in all this - that as a man, you put your own ego and your sexual desires above caring about the comfort and emotional wellbeing of a woman you supposedly love? You actually are okay coercing her into performing sex acts she’s said she doesn’t like and doesn’t want to do? It’s massively…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/02/24 09:15 AM
–	I feel like people underestimate womens physical strength. I mean - on the one hand, yes, women are probably seen as being weaker than we are. I’ve certainly known people to be surprised when I can put a new bottle on a water cooler or lift another relatively heavy item…but at the same time, men are - on average - much stronger than women (like 90% stronger in the upper body) and that is seemingly surprising to some people. Your average woman is also 4-5 inches shorter than your average man, which makes a difference too in functional strength… In an att…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/02/24 06:01 AM
0	Quietness is not a feminine trait. Condescending much? Google the research for yourself - it does not support your conclusion that “women talk a lot more”. Are you “self aware” enough to examine your own bias?	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/02/24 03:23 AM
5	Quietness is not a feminine trait. Haha. Well, we are all very much individuals!	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/02/24 07:38 AM
17	Quietness is not a feminine trait. Literally this. Quite a few studies have actually shown men talk more than women, but anecdotally I’d say it has little to do with gender. Some people are talkative, some aren’t.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/02/24 01:21 AM
12	Why do you think Western Birth Rates are so low? Great comment. This is all spot on.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/02/24 06:52 PM
2	The number of people who refuse to acknowledge that men are way hornier than women is a perfect example of why blue pillers can not be trusted to have an honest discussion This is pretty accurate, tbh.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/02/24 01:02 AM
6	Is it wrong to "settle" because you can't get what you really want? I can accept settling and not being someone’s first choice or being with someone who is not my first choice - but the word “tolerate” is too strong for what anyone should be ok with meaning to someone else, if that makes sense? Why would they even be with you to begin with if they just find you “tolerable”? They are using you for something. Is that really better than nothing? Perhaps because I’m a woman, the implication is that a man would tolerate me because he gets access to my pussy - and the…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/02/24 06:38 PM
22	Is it wrong to "settle" because you can't get what you really want? But she’s talking about how much she hates the idea of being settled for to provide sex, babies and housekeeping and not being “enough” as a person to actually be wanted and cherished by a man. She is saying that although men may be dating overweight and obese women - how many of them are doing so out of desperation and because it’s better than nothing and they are just tolerating the women so that they get laid? That isn’t delusional so much as it is overly pessimistic. I personally don’t belie…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/02/24 09:03 AM
37	Is it wrong to "settle" because you can't get what you really want? It’s hard for me to wrap my head around being happy about being “tolerated”. I’d rather be alone than be “tolerated”. I could accept not being someone’s ideal or dream girl, of course. But to just be merely tolerated sounds terrible - I want a man to at least care about me and enjoy sharing my company. You don’t really feel that way about someone you just “tolerate”. There’d be an undertone of resentment and lack of genuine affection tainting everything that you’d surely be aware of sooner or la…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/02/24 08:36 AM
20	Is it wrong to "settle" because you can't get what you really want? Can you highlight how the comment showcases female delusion? I don’t see how it’s delusional myself, but I’m interested in why it seems that way.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/02/24 08:21 AM
–	Women, self-reflection, and accountability And you don’t think people who routinely behave this way are shitty people? Some women are like this - some men are too. I know men who have exhibited all of these behaviours and lacked introspection and accountability for them. People who recognise their issues, truly think them through and work to resolve or improve them are uncommon. I’m not convinced it is gendered - what leads you to believe it is? Aside from the messed up women you’ve dated, what makes you believe this is an issue with a l…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/02/24 09:19 AM
1	The idea women are loved unconditionally Why do you say that?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/02/24 06:25 AM
1	The idea women are loved unconditionally Yes, I know the reasons. I think it just shows that this assertion that women have inherently more value than males to human beings is incorrect. It changes based on economic conditions and social conventions. If it was some kind of absolute, instinctive truth, then I don’t believe son preference could be so universal. Even in countries that never actively killed female babies, it was extremely common to hope mostly for sons and be disappointed with only daughters, for example. Why would this be…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/01/24 05:55 PM
4	Why is it normalized for women to be irritable and thus yell at their partners when before they menstruate or are pregnant? Speaking as a woman who has always struggled with severe PMS, it can be exceptionally hard to control the emotional impacts. But there is no excuse for being a dick and not apologising for it. I have always tried to reign in my irritability when it hits, because I know it is being caused by hormones - but sometimes it just can’t be fully contained and I can be cranky (not shouting or throwing things or anything that extreme - just snappy and less agreeable than usual). I always apologise for thi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/01/24 05:28 PM
7	Why is it normalized for women to be irritable and thus yell at their partners when before they menstruate or are pregnant? We celebrate dominant and assertive men everywhere - business, sports, media, etc etc. Men have many role models with assertiveness and positive “dominance”. We do accept that this is often part of being a man - just as we accept that a certain emotionality before periods is often a part of being a woman.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/01/24 05:18 PM
8	The idea women are loved unconditionally This isn’t the case in Western countries where there is a still a son preference. Or in China where there is not a dowry system…when only one child was allowed, most wanted boys, not girls. If girls supposedly are more inherently valuable than boys, this doesn’t make much sense. The fact is that girls may have inherent value that trumps boys in some circumstances, but not in others. Ultimately, there is a pragmatic assessment of value - you have to be more useful than burdensome. And this goes f…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/01/24 03:56 PM
21	The idea women are loved unconditionally What is interesting to me is that you have places where women seem to intrinsically have less value - sex-selective abortion or infanticide virtually always seems to be against girls, not boys, for example. There is also a well-documented preference in many places for sons over daughters - even in Western countries there seems to be a slight preference for sons when people are asked which gender they want their baby to be. Men especially have a stronger preference for sons, but women also have a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/01/24 07:04 AM
1	If your job skills were hopeless, would you rather be a sex worker or a housewife? I have a problem with things being very transactional - there has to be mutual affection and respect. With sex work, that would be impossible - it is completely transactional. Being a housewife may be in some ways, but it doesn’t have to be. For some, the up front transactional nature of sex work makes cold, hard sense - I guess I’m too much of a romantic for that. And sex is an extremely intimate act to me - I don’t want money or work coming into that. So if the husband was like “well, I’m payi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/01/24 11:56 PM
30	What do you think is the cause for this to happen? Yep - and the actual truth will be somewhere in between the two sides. Both will be exaggerating their side of things and making themselves look better. You can have two people who think they are doing it all and being a giving partner, while the other thinks they’re not doing enough and are ungrateful. As usual, the real problem is a lack of communication and genuine care and empathy for each other. The most successful and happy relationships are built on communicating both the good and bad and…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/01/24 03:43 AM
1	Men and women are not equal and will never be equal Men and women are equal, but not symmetrical, is how I see it. It’s like a balancing scales - you can have entirely different substances in each basket, but they can actually be equal in weight.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/01/24 06:22 AM
–	Current dating attitudes. No. I’m a human being with eyes who can see that it’s not only 14.5% (the percentage of men who are over 6ft) of men who get dates, get hookups and get married and have kids…It simply isn’t true that men are completely excluded from dating if they’re under 6ft or that they are judged for genetic traits and nothing else.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/24 04:13 PM
–	Current dating attitudes. That simply isn’t true.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/24 06:34 AM
3	Current dating attitudes. Men are not only judged on their genetic traits.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/24 12:26 AM
1	Women tell men how to be attractive not sexually attractive and men struggle because of it All good	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/24 05:43 PM
1	Women tell men how to be attractive not sexually attractive and men struggle because of it I didn’t say he wasn’t on steroids in season 1 - I said he has overdone it on season 2.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/24 05:00 PM
1	Women tell men how to be attractive not sexually attractive and men struggle because of it I didn’t say he wasn’t huge in season 1 - I said he looks too big now and is hitting the gear too hard. I totally believe he wasn’t natural last season - I just think he looks way over the top now. Yes, I admit, I’ve likely been naive about what a man can look like natural. Famously muscular celebrity men and athletes have obviously been lying about being on steroids for decades. Just like a huge amount of men (and women) are naive about the amount of plastic surgery, heavy makeup and app filter…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/24 09:01 AM
2	Do men even like women anymore? I’m sorry that’s the messaging that is aimed at you. If that is your experience, then I can’t really refute it - but it’s not universally true. Men, by and large, are wonderful and I truly appreciate many men and many traits that I associate with being a man. I do not agree with hateful speech about men or broad strokes that paint men negatively - just as I don’t agree with that about women. There are loud voices on both sides of that that are wrong and I don’t begrudge those that are very affec…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/24 06:45 AM
2	Do men even like women anymore? When I think “raise my voice” I am thinking just getting a bit louder through agitation - not screaming or yelling. Is that also prohibited - to just speak a little louder and more urgently because you’re trying to get a point across to someone? My parents seldom raised their voices - but it happened from time to time. I seldom raise my voice, but have done now and then. It just seems a but unreasonable in my experience to have no tolerance for it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/24 06:36 AM
2	Do men even like women anymore? Men do not receive shame and disrespect everywhere. Look around you - men are still largely the leaders of companies, countries and institutions. Men are hugely celebrated in business, science, arts and sports all over the place. There is some messaging in popular media and social media pushing women to the forefront and highlighting negative aspects of male behaviour - but you’re overly sensitive if you think this is the most powerful messaging out there. It is not. There are huge numbers of vi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/24 05:49 AM
3	Do men even like women anymore? You expect a woman who volunteers AND never raises her voice in an argument? If she does ever raise her voice, you would just cut her off completely? So you’re expecting an angel, I guess, lol! Or maybe a robot? Who doesn’t raise their voice with emotion now and then? And men say women have impossible standards…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/24 04:00 AM
6	Do men even like women anymore? This is a poor take. Men also did and do a lot of terrible things in the world - do you feel it’s justified for all men to be blamed? Do you think the things that many women do are not contributing anything to society in any meaningful way? Do you not realise that women haven’t had the same opportunities to do things in the same way men have done? Because women have been birthing and largely responsible for caring for kids and the sick and elderly through much of human history? Is that not a mea…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/24 03:54 AM
1	Women tell men how to be attractive not sexually attractive and men struggle because of it Yeah, first season he was attractive - though honestly a bit too “Hollywood bulk” for my usual taste. But this season he looks 10+ years older and like he’s permanently sunburned and swollen. I appreciate it takes a lot of work to be so bulky and he would be under a lot of pressure to be huge, but he just doesn’t look healthy or very good any more.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/24 03:34 AM
1	Women tell men how to be attractive not sexually attractive and men struggle because of it Some women. Men are going more nuts for that build, as far as I can tell. I’m have heard lots of conversations between women throughout my life about what physiques we generally lust after - few have mentioned swollen, red, veiny bulky ones as their ideal. But a lot of men praise them to high heavens… And Ritchson looked actually quick and powerful in the first season (Reacher is supposed to be big, but fast and athletic) - even if he’s a little bit “small” compared to the book Reacher. But now …	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/24 12:57 AM
1	Women tell men how to be attractive not sexually attractive and men struggle because of it He was on them 10 years ago? How do you know that?	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/24 12:45 AM
0	Women tell men how to be attractive not sexually attractive and men struggle because of it Sure - most men who get that big are not “all natural”. Especially when they’re over 35. They are obsessed with getting big because it’s their job or their hobby or whatever. Other men are generally far more impressed and into the ultra-muscular look than women are though. Alan Ritchson would have done even better with women 10 years ago when he was simply tall, broad and lean and very likely not on roids and not in the gym for hours a day. He’ll do well with women sure as he is now - but no bet…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/24 11:20 PM
4	Women tell men how to be attractive not sexually attractive and men struggle because of it A good example of “gone too far” that I can think of recently is the guy who plays Reacher - Alan Ritchson. First season he was pretty ideal as a “masculine Alpha male” - tall, muscular but not “musclebound”. He looked like he had some speed and athleticism as well as raw power. This season he appears to have hit the roids and gym way too hard and looks swollen, stiff and frankly, like he won’t live to an old age unless he hydrates more and uses less gear. Most women appreciate guys with muscles…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/24 11:04 PM
3	Ladies (non-exclusively), what are your thoughts on population collapse? And it would seem that to some men, talking about these negatives is tantamount to being a “brainwashed feminist anti-Natalist….	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/24 12:03 AM
6	Ladies (non-exclusively), what are your thoughts on population collapse? It’s not anti-Natalist any more than women talking about their positive experiences and the upsides of pregnancy and parenthood is “pro-Natalist”. Feminism is not discouraging women from having children - that sounds like you’re swallowing some other brand of propaganda, tbh… People are more informed than ever about the pros and cons - for a long time women were discouraged from being at all negative about the experience of pregnancy, childbirth and breastfeeding, it was a “toxic positivity” sit…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/24 06:14 AM
16	Ladies (non-exclusively), what are your thoughts on population collapse? I’m 39 and “middle class” and all my friends and cousins who decided to have kids, had them only once they were well established financially and personally and/or had the backing of parents who could help them out with getting a house so they were no longer renting. They also all have either a SAHP or they have retired parents who can be free childcare while they continue to work. If you need to pay for day care these days, you need to have a very good income! Because of all that, several didn’t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/24 05:48 AM
–	Why is it so hard for taken women to ignore other men who show interest in her? Yeah - I’m old. Perhaps I’m way out of the loop on this. Just strikes me as odd an emoji left below an IG post can hold such weight, lol.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/24 04:59 PM
1	Why is it so hard for taken women to ignore other men who show interest in her? People leave emojis on photos all the time and don’t expect an interaction. Just like you might leave a short comment of agreement or support on reddit and not expect an interaction?	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/24 05:08 PM
3	Why push for a relationship, marriage and even kids when you are fundamentally unable to trust your partner? I’m talking as an individual. Yes, there are cases of men finding out their wife has betrayed them and they are just awful. But that doesn’t comfort me, the individual woman who has never given a man any reason to doubt me, when he just needs to check that I’m not one of those terrible women. As an individual it is very hard not to take that personally, despite the knowledge that some men have had their faith broken. It’s a very difficult matter for sure and I don’t have an easy answer to allay …	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/24 06:24 AM
4	Why push for a relationship, marriage and even kids when you are fundamentally unable to trust your partner? If he was reasonable about it and picked his moment and we had a good relationship, I would hear him out and try not to see it as an accusation. But, honestly, the trouble is that when you have been with someone for a long time and they can’t take your word for something vital, it is hurtful and it makes you wonder if they just simply don’t trust you. If you had “a break” at some point or some indication of infidelity or coldness from the woman, then it’s more understandable. If you had a close …	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/24 12:41 AM
4	Why is it so hard for taken women to ignore other men who show interest in her? Haha - I hadn’t thought of that but you’re totally right. To some guys, we can’t be supportive or appreciative to men without it being “micro-cheating” or flirting. But we also get told we are not complimenting men enough and are ignoring men and not being friendly - but then our innocent compliments or friendliness can be so easily construed as romantic or sexual…No win, as you say.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/24 12:32 AM
2	Why is it so hard for taken women to ignore other men who show interest in her? Well, I would wager that it’s not flirting in the minds of most women unless it’s actually frequent in a text chain interaction. Just leaving it as a comment on an Instagram photo means nothing if there is no follow up interaction.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/24 05:22 PM
3	Is it biologically easier for guys to lower their standards compared to women? Depends on where you live and who you marry and how wealthy you are. In my country, alimony is exceptionally rare. The cost of divorce should surely not be all on the man? Many divorces are also settled quite amicably and require minimal legal fees. If I was a wealthy man in a place with alimony, I would be careful not to marry a woman who does not have her own money or income and wants to be a SAHM without a prenup. But for the vast majority of men around the world, divorce will not take 75% of…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/24 09:17 AM
7	Why push for a relationship, marriage and even kids when you are fundamentally unable to trust your partner? That is terribly, terribly sad. What a despicable bitch that woman is. RIP Charlie.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/24 06:22 AM
7	Why push for a relationship, marriage and even kids when you are fundamentally unable to trust your partner? I am so sorry for those men - and I totally understand your paranoia considering you’ve known 3 men who were victims of paternity fraud. Here’s how I see it: if you and I were dating and you told me of these experiences and that if I were to get pregnant you’d want a paternity test for your own peace of mind, I would be totally ok with that. You’ve been close to the trauma it has caused, so I wouldn’t be offended that it weighed on you not to know with 100% certainty. But I’d want to know you fe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/24 05:46 AM
0	Is it biologically easier for guys to lower their standards compared to women? I’d argue that birthing and raising children is a contribution to society in the long run.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/24 05:20 AM
1	Is it biologically easier for guys to lower their standards compared to women? Since when did 50% move up to 75%?	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/24 05:19 AM
9	Debate: free romantic love has failed No, it’s definitely not purely physical. That doesn’t mean looks don’t matter, but there is a lot to be said for simply finding someone you like being close to. This can encompass what they talk about, what their interests are, their smell, their voice, the way they look at you and touch you. It’s not about “excitement” it’s more about just liking their company and also having a “vibe” with them. I know that sounds wishy-washy - but it’s because there isn’t a list of things that all women will a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/24 04:14 AM
12	Debate: free romantic love has failed I think that in order for women to really want sex, they need to be genuinely attracted to their partner and excited by sex with him. Women don’t seem to get horny in the same sort of way men do - where virtually any sexual contact will do with a person that is of the desired sex. It makes sense - by their biology, men are in an active role in sex and can be basically satisfied by a warm hole that doesn’t move or reciprocate (not that most men are truly satisfied by that - but they can make it w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/24 04:01 AM
1	Should paternity tests be mandatory? If a child turns out not to be the offspring of the father tested, then how do you find the real father if the mother doesn’t know/doesn’t indicate who it might be? Will we have a database of all men to test against? That will go down well! When it comes down to it, it’s primarily about wanting certainty that the man’s child is biologically theirs. That is fine, get the test, but don’t act like this is for anyone’s benefit but your own and you don’t want to openly accuse the mother of your child…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/24 01:50 AM
1	Why is it so hard for taken women to ignore other men who show interest in her? I would wager few women think they are expressing lust by using that emoji. But if it’s a hard no in your mind, you need to tell a woman you’re dating not to use it for guys they don’t know very well because it signals lust in your opinion. If she continues to use it regardless, then that is a problem. But if she doesn’t know that’s how you see it, then I don’t think it’s fair to call it micro-cheating.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/24 11:39 PM
15	Why is it so hard for taken women to ignore other men who show interest in her? I might use this emoji if my male cousin posted a gym selfie. It doesn’t mean “I find you sexy” it means “looking good!” It’s just encouragement or a quick “wow” sort of reaction - not lust or anything, imo.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/24 09:13 PM
–	The more you meet women, the more you realize they're all the same It’s absolutely despicable how some men are capitalising on this all by basing their podcasts and social media on the “gender war” and the struggles many men have with dating. They are pitting men against women and profiting off it while turning a lot of guys into blatant misogynists who think they are just “being real”. It’s sad and it’s dangerous. And of course, there are plenty of women out there who are selfish, vapid bitches that fit the stereotypes perfectly - and often feature on manosphe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/01/24 06:23 PM
–	The more you meet women, the more you realize they're all the same Yes. They like to say “men are demonised for everything and women are seen as angels” while at the same time blaming women for everything that is wrong with the world. It’s blatant bias but many of them think they are so logical and “realist” when it’s the same emotionally driven bias that plagues us all from time to time. We all have a hard time accepting we might be the problem.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/01/24 06:02 PM
–	The more you meet women, the more you realize they're all the same Men here often complain that women view ugly or socially “low value” men as invisible and how shallow and cruel that is - but then if you point out that many women over a certain age or women who are not conventionally attractive don’t do these things they’ll say “well, they don’t count - I’m talking about young, conventionally attractive women that guys want to date”. Oh right - so ugly and socially “low value” women don’t count? You’re just considering and talking about a certain demographic o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/01/24 05:48 PM
–	The more you meet women, the more you realize they're all the same Very true. Your philosophy sounds good. Special people are special for a reason - they’re not the “basic guy or girl” and are far less common. If you’re someone who is irritated or bored by the “basic guy or girl” then you need to be more discerning and patient and not engage with someone until you know you want to be around them. I feel like some men are visually attracted to a very cookie-cutter look but want those girls to be “not like the other girls” - but girls who conform best to that app…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/01/24 05:37 PM
–	The more you meet women, the more you realize they're all the same Exactly what I was going to comment. You could be a woman complaining about all the men she meets being the same and many would agree with you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/01/24 05:29 PM
–	The more you meet women, the more you realize they're all the same We are uncommon, but we exist! Tool is my favourite band by far.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/01/24 05:22 PM
–	What do women think of men who have cosmetic surgery done? I think sadly that many today are being conditioned by media to have unrealistic expectations for how they should look and how others should look. Many celebrities and influencers have had cosmetic procedures and surgeries but deny it when asked. So many people who follow all that feel insecure and like they’re ugly, when they’re totally normal and the celebs would have all the same “flaws” if they hadn’t spent thousands on procedures. I think it’s despicable for these celebs not to be open abou…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/23 05:31 PM
25	Is there truly a large subset of men who are financially stable, emotionally stable, honest, intentional, make the best of their physical appearance (grooming/etc), have interesting hobbies etc that struggle attract their equal? And women often find men’s interests “aggressively boring” too. It’s a sad fact of our dimorphism both biologically and socially. Going in - for either gender - with the expectation that the other will be boring and only their tits, or money or whatever, will make them tolerable is an immense mistake. But it’s one many make. Women have perhaps lost a lot of the art of drawing a man out of himself to engage with her. We’ve all lost a lot of that with the reliance on online dating and short texts,…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/23 05:07 PM
11	Is there truly a large subset of men who are financially stable, emotionally stable, honest, intentional, make the best of their physical appearance (grooming/etc), have interesting hobbies etc that struggle attract their equal? It can feel like a man is talking at you rather than trying to engage with you. That doesn’t make men boring, but it can make them hard work to have a conversation with and it can come across as a lack of interest in learning anything more about you and only caring about your tits…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/23 04:55 PM
3	This entire sub is based on one thing and one thing alone. 90% of men have to put in work to get laid and 90% of women don’t need to do anything other than show up. Oh yes of course. Take off your blinkers and come back to me when you look around the real world (not the online one and not just the middle class up in the West). If you truly look around and consider the negatives of being a woman all over the world and conclude that women just have life infinitely easier, then you are deeply biased.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/23 03:00 PM
5	This entire sub is based on one thing and one thing alone. 90% of men have to put in work to get laid and 90% of women don’t need to do anything other than show up. I hope you just mean women have it easier getting sex - because women most certainly do not have everything in life “infinitely easier”.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/23 01:00 AM
3	The more you understand women, the less you'll fall in love them. You’re right and it’s sad. I’m not sure what needs to change. It’s not all because women are picky or online dating has ruined it - there is a deeper social isolation and anxiety developing that is making it all worse.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/12/23 12:33 AM
3	The more you understand women, the less you'll fall in love them. No one is forcing men to do anything. It’s still a choice to go after women you don’t actually like much as people and find only bearably attractive. You can opt out just as many women do when their conditions aren’t met. It would be better for the world if men stopped thirsting after, impregnating and financially supporting women who are not good people, let alone good mothers - based only on them being pretty, having a pussy and being pleasant (the latter is totally dropped if the first two co…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/12/23 11:54 PM
2	The more you understand women, the less you'll fall in love them. I said men have conditions, as a counter to the common assertion than men love women unconditionally and women just have to exist and they’ll be showered with love and caring by men. I agree that men tend to have fewer conditions than women though. Which makes sense to me because women have more vulnerabilities when it comes to sex and relationships with men. Still, men should be pickier than they are, if you ask me.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/12/23 11:04 PM
8	The more you understand women, the less you'll fall in love them. Perhaps under those conditions, sure. But pleasure aside, women have to worry about pregnancy and the contraceptives most women use commonly have side effects that are not to be sniffed at. Sex has risks for women that don’t exist for men is what I’m getting at.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/12/23 09:44 PM
16	The more you understand women, the less you'll fall in love them. What women want from men in a relationship isn’t one sided either. But often it’s framed as women demand things and have conditions for loving men but men love women unconditionally. This is false. Sex is not one-sided - but you’re being disingenuous if you think it is completely equal between men and women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/12/23 07:05 PM
1	Why do women hate the "what do you bring to the table?" How do you demonstrate it on the first date or before that to attract a man to dating initially?	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/12/23 04:48 PM
18	Why do women hate the "what do you bring to the table?" Yeah - it would be fine to ask someone who is acting entitled and tactless. But it would also be the last time I saw them as a date. Transactional mindsets are a big turn off for me.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/12/23 03:28 AM
20	One sided open relationships I agree with you. “High value” women are not okay with the disrespect inherent in being cheated on/being in a one-sided open marriage. If a man wants to have multiple women at once, he better not expect any of them to be loyal, good, supportive partners in return. If you want to be a leader of your family (like a truly “high value” man supposedly should), you lead by example. Fucking around with other women when you have a good, loving, loyal wife raising your children is a terrible example to s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/12/23 02:33 AM
15	Why do women hate the "what do you bring to the table?" Those are all traits that can be demonstrated as you get to know someone. It’s hard to show that up front, isn’t it? And a woman could have all those things, but be overweight and then it doesn’t matter anyway right? So men know what they want from a woman and then decide whether the women they want to date have the right traits, or enough of the right traits, to continue forward. It’s ultimately up to you to decide what you want. And it’s also up to women to decide what they want in men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/12/23 12:07 AM
75	Why do women hate the "what do you bring to the table?" What I “hate” about this question is two main things: 1) I would never ask a man this - like ever. It’s rude, reductionist and transactional and I just don’t think that’s a positive approach. 2) Whenever it is asked around here, most of what women list in answer is refuted just as you did with “well, I don’t care about that - I don’t need those things from a woman. So, what else you got?” It’s like some kind of juvenile guessing game. What do you want from women? What matters to you in a partner…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/12/23 11:32 PM
–	If muscles dont matter for women why are strippers/exotic dancers muscular Do women frequent male strip clubs solo? Or just on a normal weekend with a couple of pals? I doubt it. It’s a group thing some girl groups do for bachelorette parties or big birthdays and they egg each other on and get really drunk. It’s funny and embarrassing and like a silly night out which is a bit naughty. It’s not really frowned upon at all. And most women aren’t going to seek it out ever again unless it’s another group event they get roped into. But you definitely get men who go on their …	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/12/23 09:28 PM
–	If muscles dont matter for women why are strippers/exotic dancers muscular Some men interpret women saying “looks aren’t everything” as “looks don’t matter”. That’s not on women when men can’t see the obvious difference in those statements.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/12/23 09:15 PM
1	Is women's sexuality more self-centered than men's? Another way to see it is that the men are so desirable and doing all the right things and the women are usually doing whatever the guy really wants - he chooses the position, she gives him extended (and often choking) oral, and the climax on her face and seeing her enjoy that. That all centres on the woman sort of finding him so desirable she lets him do whatever he wants, she loves it and then she wants to be marked by him. Men seem to me to be getting off on the fantasy that a woman wants him …	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/12/23 01:27 AM
2	Is it the norm for woman to feel threatened by men in social settins in the US? A lot of women don’t report SA or harassment - so you’re not going to be hearing about it like a literal murder or suspicious disappearance that is being investigated. Violent stranger rapes are rare and those are typically the ones that get investigated and reported on in the media - not the countless women who have had a guy keep going when they said no or stop, or the men who harass/pressure and manipulate within their relationship to get sex, or the women who have had their butt slapped or g…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/12/23 01:42 AM
4	Why men will judge your personality and character based on how you dress and act and why it makes complete rational sense to do so when choosing a 'wifey material' woman. It is uncommon for women outside those social circles to be strongly attracted to thugs and criminals. It certainly happens, but using those exceptions to prove that “women” are interested in thugs and criminals is illogical.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/12/23 11:38 PM
9	Why men will judge your personality and character based on how you dress and act and why it makes complete rational sense to do so when choosing a 'wifey material' woman. The women who are sending love letters to serial killers are mentally ill and don’t represent your average woman any more than pedophiles represent your average man.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/12/23 11:37 PM
9	CMV: women who get offended by toilet humour are not wife material No	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/12/23 05:49 AM
34	CMV: women who get offended by toilet humour are not wife material Umm, ok? If that’s a dealbreaker for you, that’s fine. Men who make those sorts of comments and jokes frequently aren’t marriage material to me - I just don’t really find toilet humour funny and find it impolite when people loudly belch or fart like it’s something they’re proud of. I don’t need to hear about your bowel movements unless there’s a problem you’re worried about. We all have these bodily functions and I’m not a saying we need to be ashamed, but if it’s a performative part of your per…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/12/23 05:25 AM
2	What do men want from women in a relationship? Can you define submission? Or what behaviours in a woman you would call submissive? I often find men define it rather differently than women in these discussions.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/12/23 06:57 AM
3	What do women think of men who have cosmetic surgery done? As I’m not really a fan of plastic surgery for women either, it would be a potential negative for me in a man. But it really is dependent on the man and what I think of him otherwise. It’s not an immediate red flag - though if it looks really weird or is extreme (like images I’ve seen of some men with jaw implants and pec implants, etc - or the leg lengthening surgery) then it would be a turn off. It’s just not a compatible mindset with me to spend huge amounts of money to drastically alter your…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/12/23 03:14 AM
2	Why are beauty pageants seen as a big deal for nations? And well showing of gorgeous women in general in events unrelated to pageantry like international diplomatic negotiations and catering food services to foreign soldiers stations and other big national stuff? Yes - a dog show is the perfect analogy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/23 10:21 AM
6	Would you allow your husband to sleep with other women? It’s not for me, simple as that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/23 09:23 AM
7	Would you allow your husband to sleep with other women? No. I would only be ok with him sleeping with other women in this scenario if I was incapable of, or completely disinterested, in having sex with him. In which case I probably wouldn’t truly be in love with him - I’d see it as a transactional relationship that I’m not fully invested in. A transactional relationship feels demeaning and lonely to me. There is no way he can guarantee no other women get pregnant unless he gets a vasectomy or is sterile or only has sex with infertile women. Or someho…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/23 06:45 AM
1	Mandatory Paternity Test protect children's mental health [repost under new flair] I’m only arguing that a man cheating has emotional impacts on children - you are suggesting that finding out paternity fraud has an impact (which obviously it has a devastating impact), but a father cheating doesn’t have it’s own distinct impact. I disagree.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/23 06:28 AM
8	Mandatory Paternity Test protect children's mental health [repost under new flair] Anecdotal personal story time: My uncle cheated on his first wife. She forgave him and gave him a second chance, but told him if he did it again, it was instant divorce. My cousins were very young at the time and they were spared any upheaval then as the family unit stayed together and my uncle stayed faithful. But, a few years later he cheated again - having an ongoing love affair with a younger woman at work who eventually wanted more and threatened to tell his wife if he didn’t make plans to …	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/23 02:57 AM
5	Are most women demisexual? You said in your first comment that self proclaimed “demi” women (also most women according to you) will sleep with a hot guy but are only truly “demi” for average guys who have to jump through hoops to get starfish sex. But now you’re saying the majority of women need to get to know someone before wanting to fuck them - and that a lot of men are this way too? Which is it then? Is “demisexuality” or what it sort of describes the default? Or will most drop that for someone hot enough? Because you…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/23 07:49 AM
4	Are most women demisexual? I disagree. This is how women describe their sexuality quite commonly and quite a lot of men do too. It’s not a myth, there is no one archetypal male “master key” that can gain access to every female “lock” (nor is it true in reverse). “Chad” being like a Ken Doll in different outfits is the freaking internet trend, if anything!	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/23 07:05 AM
10	Are most women demisexual? This perfectly describes how I feel as a woman. I can see that someone is “attractive” without actually automatically wanting to have sex with them - I need more context than their pure appearance to really find them sexually attractive. I feel like this is common, but we are usually told that men are not like this and women are all like this. Which is major BS.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/23 07:02 AM
2	What made you join the red pill? I’m sorry that happened to you. I wish most people could actually be appreciative of someone who wants to please and be of service rather than using them up and spitting them out. It’s such a cruel and selfish approach. Sadly women also get told that this is what being a “good girl” entails and many women are used as well. People like to praise the morality of self sacrifice and duty to others and how much of a “sweetheart” you are, but often such people are not there for you when you need them …	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/23 01:05 AM
3	Do wommen even truly like men at all? Lol, you never can tell in this place! Some guys here would definitely say that all women are prostitutes.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/12/23 04:51 PM
5	Do wommen even truly like men at all? All our moms had sex for money? All women ever were raped? What are you on about?!	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/12/23 04:19 PM
3	Q4W: How would you react if you discovered a man you liked wore a toupee, shoe lifts, etc? Oh, ok. I thought you were associating “loose” and “tight” with something you can pick up on when she shows up for the date. Fair enough to not continue to see someone you aren’t sexually compatible with.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/12/23 12:15 AM
1	Q4W: How would you react if you discovered a man you liked wore a toupee, shoe lifts, etc? As a woman who doesn’t wear makeup or use a padded bra I would find a man who feels he needs to make these enhancements to his appearance likely to be incompatible with me. I like it most when other people (yes - other women included) are “natural” but still well groomed with some pride in their appearance. Wear clothes that flatter you, take care of your skin and hair but a lot of time and effort spent on looks just doesn’t appeal much to me. That being said, the more men who do these things, t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/12/23 12:13 AM
12	Q4W: How would you react if you discovered a man you liked wore a toupee, shoe lifts, etc? How do you know if a woman is “looser” when she shows up? It’s not something you can know without having sex with her…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/23 11:40 PM
4	CMV: The widely accepted misandrist rhetoric when it comes to dating needs to stop I personally don’t go around saying all men are rapists and I don’t believe most women think or say that either. I feel like you’re perhaps taking too much notice of certain online echo chambers where women might make these concrete negative assumptions about men - in real life, women are not so closed off and paranoid. But, clearly we would be stupid not to exercise some caution around men and be aware of the potential risks. I can understand that for men who are obviously well intentioned that…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/23 06:34 PM
7	CMV: The widely accepted misandrist rhetoric when it comes to dating needs to stop I agree. But how do women exercise their caution and explain it without making “men” out to be predators? Or perhaps a better question: how are women currently treating men like monsters? What needs to change?	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/23 09:35 AM
12	CMV: The widely accepted misandrist rhetoric when it comes to dating needs to stop OP said that pound for pound men are a brick wall compared to women. This is saying, to my mind, that no matter what men are bigger and stronger and are a potential threat whatever their size. Ergo, size isn’t a factor in this - men are simply a potential threat to women, big or small, and that isn’t sexist it’s just reality. Women can’t select against it because there are so few men who just physically aren’t capable of being a threat. Does that make sense?	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/23 08:09 AM
7	CMV: The widely accepted misandrist rhetoric when it comes to dating needs to stop What has a man’s appearance of strength got to do with a woman worrying for her physical safety? If women were to only date men they could take in a fight the dating pool would be extremely limited. Men are nearly always larger and stronger than women - it is a trait of being male and heterosexual women are attracted to males. It follows that men exhibiting masculine size and strength are attractive to women (just as heterosexual men tend to be attracted to attributes that typify female bodies).	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/23 07:55 AM
1	CMV: there should be divorce insurance It should be worked out between the parents like most divorce settlements and custody arrangements are. You talk like adults about what you think is fair. This is not a one size fits all type of thing. I’ve heard both fathers and mothers getting screwed by child support (paying too much or not getting any money at all from the other parent). But I have also heard of people who have worked it out fairly and amicably and they’re fine with it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/23 10:20 PM
3	CMV: there should be divorce insurance Here’s one for the USA. And one for Spain. Spain works out at about 8% of divorces where alimony is applicable. It really is not common at all.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/23 08:44 PM
3	CMV: there should be divorce insurance You’re misreading the stats. 97% of alimony receivers are women yes - but less than 10% of divorces have alimony arrangements. In my country, it’s even less than 10% - it’s very rare for women to be awarded spousal maintenance after the marriage ends. You have to be rich and the ex wife has to be unable to support herself because she has been out of the job market long enough that she can’t reasonably start earning immediately. Spousal maintenance where I am usually has a set duration whereby sh…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/23 04:49 PM
2	CMV: there should be divorce insurance Alimony (or spousal maintenance) is extremely rare in my country - and from what I’ve read, it’s very uncommon in the States as well. Child support is not set unreasonably high in most cases though I do think some more transparency on its use would be fair. If you’re looking at celebrities and other extremely wealthy individuals it definitely looks exorbitant for child support and alimony - but that’s not the reality for most people.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/23 02:14 AM
2	60% of Millennial women are already nearly infertile. And 80% of childless women regret not having kids. Is this why more women are crying on TikTok than ever before? Borderline psychopathic is a bit hyperbolic don’t you think? Do you think women shouldn’t talk about these very common realities of women having healthy pregnancies and babies when they’re older? Would you advocate for women being shamed for getting pregnant over 35? Telling women “if you haven’t had a baby by 35, then you should give up - you missed your chance”? No one is telling women they should wait until they are 35. It is clearly preferable from a physical health profile to have children …	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/12/23 06:24 AM
6	No, men are not "creating single moms" “They probably wanted to use the child to manipulate the man to stay”. Your sexist bias and inability to empathise with women is showing big time here. Edit to ask: why do you think this? Do you have sources?	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/12/23 07:04 PM
2	60% of Millennial women are already nearly infertile. And 80% of childless women regret not having kids. Is this why more women are crying on TikTok than ever before? I think perhaps I’ve spent too much time around the men here and their basically daily posts with “young women are the only women that count” sort of thinking. A lot seem to idealise youth and I just know in my gut it’s not all because of biology telling them under 24 year olds are more fertile….There’s a tradcon desire to be a guide, protector and initiator into adulthood for a sweet young woman. It’s old fashioned and clearly not welcome by most women these days who don’t relish being condesce…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/12/23 06:24 AM
2	60% of Millennial women are already nearly infertile. And 80% of childless women regret not having kids. Is this why more women are crying on TikTok than ever before? You’re all good. It is indeed ludicrous that we don’t educate people better. Even coming from a country with “proper” sex education (not abstinence based) we really didn’t learn enough about reproduction. And vasectomies not being mandated coverage vs tubal ligation is really stupid. It further places the burden of reproduction on women while making it harder for men to control their say in being a father or not. Dumb all round.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/12/23 06:11 AM
1	60% of Millennial women are already nearly infertile. And 80% of childless women regret not having kids. Is this why more women are crying on TikTok than ever before? Yeah, it sucks. Not all women find the man they want to raise a family with - if they want to do that at all - before they are at an “advanced maternal age”. Should that mean that women have to settle for the guy they’re with at 25, even if he doesn’t want to have a family or he’s unstable and a bad partner? Men here fault women all the time for “settling” and not really loving a guy as more than a “beta buxx” - if you tell women their clock runs out at 30 or 35, isn’t there just going to be mor…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/12/23 02:18 AM
3	60% of Millennial women are already nearly infertile. And 80% of childless women regret not having kids. Is this why more women are crying on TikTok than ever before? Yeah, it’s awful. My mother had a miscarriage before having me, but it wasn’t age related. And you don’t have to tell women it’s not a video game. They’re the ones taking the most risk. I don’t think women should be encouraged to wait until they’re 35 to have their first baby, but that isn’t what is happening. Women are being encouraged to not have babies as teens and/or without any preparation or safety net (look at how many men online complain about tax payers funding single mothers and their …	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/12/23 02:04 AM
3	60% of Millennial women are already nearly infertile. And 80% of childless women regret not having kids. Is this why more women are crying on TikTok than ever before? I wonder how many women over 35 don’t have a partner yet though? I have two friends who’ve had babies in their late 30s. One has been with her husband for 20 years, but they just weren’t set up for having kids until she was in her mid 30s. She also worried about the state of the world and whether having a baby was the right thing to do. She has PCOS and she had to have IVF (would have had to most likely when she was younger too). The other didn’t meet her husband until she was 35 and they decide…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/12/23 01:27 AM
7	60% of Millennial women are already nearly infertile. And 80% of childless women regret not having kids. Is this why more women are crying on TikTok than ever before? It’s not a huge decline though. The vast majority will get pregnant and it will be fine. The way some here are talking you’d think it falls off a cliff and women just shouldn’t bother taking the risk.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/12/23 01:10 AM
4	60% of Millennial women are already nearly infertile. And 80% of childless women regret not having kids. Is this why more women are crying on TikTok than ever before? Fertility matters with attraction for sure, I just don’t think it’s the whole story for why men are most interested in very young women. As demonstrated, women up to 35 have roughly similar fertility rates and risks - but men seem most attracted to women under 24. That isn’t associated with vastly better fertility - but it is associated with the naiveté and inexperience of youth and generally being at your youthful prettiest. A lot of men are into “jailbait” and idealise virgins or sweet, innoce…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/12/23 01:07 AM
2	Man gets caught looking at a woman in public, gets his face posted on TikTok with thousands now labeling him a "creep" I think the opposite. Empathy cannot be conditional. It is a state of being able to put yourself in another’s shoes and see things from their perspective. For me, it is largely out of my control - I have to try to turn it off because it hurts me a lot to feel so involved and affected by others. It’s a large part of what keeps me coming back here - I want to connect, bridge divides and just try to understand. If I let what a lot of men put out there dictate whether I felt empathy or not I would l…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/12/23 12:51 AM
7	60% of Millennial women are already nearly infertile. And 80% of childless women regret not having kids. Is this why more women are crying on TikTok than ever before? Yes. And paternal age is almost never mentioned in any of these threads. I have to wonder if a lot of these guys were trying to get stable, settle down and start a family at 25 with women in that age range? I doubt it. They’re probably also just getting more in the right place in life to feel able to start a family and just like women, this isn’t happening until an older age now. It has its pros and cons for sure.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/12/23 12:35 AM
7	60% of Millennial women are already nearly infertile. And 80% of childless women regret not having kids. Is this why more women are crying on TikTok than ever before? Under 40 the approximate risk of miscarriage is under 25%, rising to 33% by 44 and 60% at 44+ There is no “incredibly steep decline” for fertility at 35. 82% of women aged 35-40 will get pregnant within a year of trying. It is 92% at 19-26. And 86% at 30-34. That is not an “incredibly steep decline”.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/12/23 12:29 AM
9	60% of Millennial women are already nearly infertile. And 80% of childless women regret not having kids. Is this why more women are crying on TikTok than ever before? It is not “tremendously harder”. 82% of women ages 35-39 will get pregnant within one year of trying according to this article and over 90% will succeed within two years. Is it absolutely the ideal pinnacle of your fertility and health to have a baby after 35? No. But it is not a “cut off” either - it’s just where the risks increase a bit for complications, but still not hugely. It’s where doctors want to keep a bit of a closer eye on you. The vast majority of women who give birth over 35 will h…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/12/23 12:21 AM
7	60% of Millennial women are already nearly infertile. And 80% of childless women regret not having kids. Is this why more women are crying on TikTok than ever before? I honestly don’t think men’s attraction to very young women is all to do with breeding/fertility. It is mixed up with men wanting to “get in there first” and idealising innocence and chastity in women and younger generally means a better chance you will not be preceded by someone else. A lot of men see themselves as protectors and guides for women - this is easier and more “needed” when the woman is younger and less “worldly”. And, of course, youth is prettier - all smooth taut skin and youthful…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/12/23 12:10 AM
13	60% of Millennial women are already nearly infertile. And 80% of childless women regret not having kids. Is this why more women are crying on TikTok than ever before? Thank you for writing this up. Good info that honestly not enough people (women included) know.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/12/23 11:45 PM
1	Man gets caught looking at a woman in public, gets his face posted on TikTok with thousands now labeling him a "creep" Because it’s not conditional?	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/12/23 10:59 PM
3	Man gets caught looking at a woman in public, gets his face posted on TikTok with thousands now labeling him a "creep" I guess you’re not wrong sadly. Perhaps I need to rethink my stance. As you say, as long as it’s blatant it’s good to see it called out.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/12/23 07:01 PM
–	Most women don't even like men like that. Stop wasting your time. This is a fair observation. Women do want sex and relationships with men, but if it doesn’t happen we generally can appease ourselves with other things. I don’t think women are as obsessive as men on average about anything, but even less so about “men” as a sort of overarching concept. Have you seen the Louis C K bit about “pussy”? That to men it’s like an element of the universe and isn’t really related to an individual woman. Women don’t think like that about “cock” as a concept. There are dee…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/12/23 06:57 PM
6	Man gets caught looking at a woman in public, gets his face posted on TikTok with thousands now labeling him a "creep" As I said, I just don’t like the trend of filming people to reprimand or poke fun at (particularly the latter) online. But I get it. And you’re right, men who stare and leer only do it when the woman appears to be without a man - which shows awareness of what is socially considered right or wrong.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/12/23 06:22 PM
4	Man gets caught looking at a woman in public, gets his face posted on TikTok with thousands now labeling him a "creep" If you want to be juvenile and play tit for tat, sure. Or you could think for yourself and have empathy despite your (erroneous) belief women don’t ever empathise with men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/12/23 06:12 PM
9	Man gets caught looking at a woman in public, gets his face posted on TikTok with thousands now labeling him a "creep" While I don’t agree with filming people to shame them online (and unfortunately this is done far too often today in many contexts) - I feel like this is something many men simply don’t empathise with women about. Most women have experienced much older men being inappropriate around them from a young age (like preteen age). Staring, touching hair or brushing against us unnecessarily, following us, making comments about our bodies…being the definition of “creepy”. For a lot of women that stuff kin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/12/23 05:13 PM
3	Would you be ok with your wife asking for a paternity test? A sane response.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/12/23 07:32 AM
5	What icks/turn off do you have for men? bad hygiene - especially if he doesn’t brush and floss regularly doesn’t like or see the “point” in having pets lacks empathy and laughs at other people’s misfortune is into watching gore and torture videos is more emotional about his favourite sports team than anything else in his life is on an extreme diet like carnivore or keto a neat freak or overly perfectionistic bitter and pessimistic most of the time quick to anger/overly sensitive calls himself “blunt” but is actually just abrasive and …	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/12/23 10:21 PM
0	There’s no reason not to get a paternity test unless there is some n fact doubt She’s not just some statistical woman - she’s supposedly your life partner. She deserves some respect and care for the bond you share. Do you think a woman should be testing herself regularly for new STDs just in case her husband is sleeping around? Do you think she should be hiring a private investigator periodically to see if she can catch him cheating? Asking to go through his phone? Afterall, 20-30% of married men cheat. You don’t think an innocent man would resent being accused of infidelit…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/11/23 06:46 PM
2	There’s no reason not to get a paternity test unless there is some n fact doubt True. As I’ve said - if it’s medically and socially normalised for paternity to be confirmed, then it takes all of the accusation out of it. Or talking about it ahead of time as something you need. But expecting women to be just fine with having to prove they were not pregnant by another man is asking a lot.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/11/23 06:35 PM
1	There’s no reason not to get a paternity test unless there is some n fact doubt That isn’t true. Having to prove your innocence only comes after a suspicion of guilt. No one is ok with being accused of something they didn’t do and most would resent being forced to prove their innocence - especially to someone they have a close relationship with.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/11/23 06:25 PM
5	There’s no reason not to get a paternity test unless there is some n fact doubt Then it comes down to individual choice, as I said. The man has to make a choice which is the greater risk: that he may raise a child that is not his, or that he may forever alienate and undermine the bond he has with the woman he loves. It’s tricky and I understand the concern some men have about this. Ideally, it will become a medical norm and perhaps a norm for child support claims. If it’s something “official” it won’t be so personal. Expecting most women who have had children with a man to …	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/11/23 08:37 AM
2	Why do older people seem to give younger men more credit compared to younger women, in dating? Definitely physically weaker. I’d like to know your reasoning for women being mentally weaker.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/11/23 06:06 AM
2	There’s no reason not to get a paternity test unless there is some n fact doubt No, you should not be fine doing that. It’s not ok to commit paternity fraud and it’s not ok for men to be betrayed in such a terrible way. But do you see how it’s also not reasonable to expect a long term partner to not feel completely taken aback by a paternity test being necessary to prove she’s not a lying sack of shit? I’m obviously seeing this from a woman’s perspective. From the get go with a man there is a certain amount of trust needed - a leap of faith to be taken. Sex carries more ris…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/11/23 04:49 AM
6	There’s no reason not to get a paternity test unless there is some n fact doubt In that scenario, yes you would. Short term girlfriend or hookup? On again off again? Past infidelity? History of deception? No, not an asshole. Perfectly reasonable suspicion. Is there any scenario where you wouldn’t need a paternity test and would trust a woman?	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/11/23 12:36 AM
11	There’s no reason not to get a paternity test unless there is some n fact doubt It’s not ridiculous though. If you really don’t trust a woman you’ve been happily in a loving relationship with for years, even when she has done nothing to arouse any suspicion, you are being unreasonable. She is not just some random person who might be hiding something, she is supposedly your life partner - something’s gone wrong if you can’t trust her more than most people in your life. If you engage in planning to have a baby with a woman, tell her that getting a paternity test is very impor…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/11/23 11:52 PM
36	There’s no reason not to get a paternity test unless there is some n fact doubt I’d be ok with it being just part of a routine genetic health screening panel. I’d also be ok if early in the relationship he had brought up paternity testing for the benefits you outlined and I have a heads up this is an expectation of his. Fair enough. If I was just out of another relationship and got pregnant with a new man, then it’s a good idea to confirm paternity. I think paternity should be confirmed in cases of pregnancies in casual sexual relationships and a woman is being unreasonable…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/11/23 10:15 PM
–	Does the Madonna complex cause relationships to get ruined? This is so true.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/11/23 06:59 AM
2	Sex Toys You sound like a giver - which is awesome. But plenty of men aren’t, from what I’ve heard. We’ve had posts around here with men saying that women are lazy and wrong for expecting men to “do all the work” in bed and get them off. There are men who don’t like giving oral and probably don’t like fingering either. I would have thought those men would love a woman taking care of her own pleasure any way she chooses, so long as he still gets his… But, I really think it’s poor form for a woman to pull …	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/11/23 01:46 AM
2	Sex Toys How is it splitting hairs? We were discussing OPs false equivalent scenario of a woman playing with man’s balls while he uses a pocket pussy to get off - which is not the same as a woman using a clitoral vibrator while having penetrative sex. The man is still having sex the same as usual, the woman is just stimulating herself with a vibe instead of his or her fingers. If a man uses a pocket pussy, he is removing her entirely from any pleasure she might be getting from penetrative sex. It’s quite…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/11/23 11:56 PM
0	I'm a man and I'll say it. Women overall have it harder than men, ESPECIALLY in dating. Yeah - I think for all the men here who claim men are more empathetic to women than the reverse - many cannot empathise at all with the female reproductive cycle and its lifelong effects. It is usually completely dismissed as a major difficulty women deal with in life.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/11/23 05:29 PM
1	I'm a man and I'll say it. Women overall have it harder than men, ESPECIALLY in dating. So you are envious of women’s weakness and vulnerability? You think that is what makes a life easier - that you need help from others? Few people would frame that as a massive advantage in life.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/11/23 05:21 PM
0	Sex Toys We were talking about OPs scenario and the female equivalent where a woman completely replaces a man during sex with a toy - not just a vibe for her clit. I can imagine there are plenty of women who have become desensitised by clitoral vibrators. That sucks, but it doesn’t remove the man entirely like a pocket pussy does.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/11/23 05:00 PM
7	I'm a man and I'll say it. Women overall have it harder than men, ESPECIALLY in dating. I’m not going to elaborate in detail because you’re clearly majorly biased if you can’t even think of one area of life that is harder for women. I’ll give you a glaringly obvious major one: menstruation/reproduction and its associated effects on the female body (and mind). Being smaller and weaker physically is part of that. If you can’t see the ways life is easier when you’re physically stronger and larger and you don’t have to have periods every month for 35+ years (and then go through menopau…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/11/23 09:14 AM
3	I'm a man and I'll say it. Women overall have it harder than men, ESPECIALLY in dating. It’s ludicrous to say women have it easier in every aspect of life. Complete delusion.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/11/23 08:08 AM
17	Sex Toys You’ve had a woman stop sex before you orgasmed, get a dildo to replace your penis entirely and proceed to get off while telling you how to make it better for her? More than once? Wow.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/11/23 02:32 AM
28	Sex Toys I mean - how many women literally have sex for the first time with a man, stop him after a time, end any contact with his penis, pull out a dildo and clit vibrator and instruct him to touch her in ways that will help get her off? This doesn’t actually happen, does it? What you might be referring to is women using a clitoral vibrator during penetration to help get her off - but I’d say many women don’t do that even, especially the first time they have sex with a new man. And the man is still gett…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/11/23 12:35 AM
0	4 things I feel men should always remember. Exactly.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/11/23 11:19 PM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread Well said.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/11/23 10:08 AM
4	most women don't deserve chivalry from men Perhaps that’s true. But what do you think about the traditional view of women as essentially beneath their husband and he could have sex with her without her consent or physically hit or otherwise punish her for talking back or some other transgression? This was - and still is in some places - commonplace even when the woman is chaste, modest and submissive and the man considered a gentleman who exhibits the behaviours in your list? Women have been mistreated and disrespected in rather large nu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/11/23 07:56 AM
1	The whole women want to use their 20s to concentrate on their careers seems like an excuse? I basically agree with you, I think - I’m not sure I followed all that you wrote, but I think I get the gist. I idealise people being free to make their choices, but I also know that many are simply being influenced and are not following their hearts - or they are being self indulgent as a means to escape the very harsh and individualistic world we live in. I’m an idealist and a believer in the good in people. I like to believe that we can truly do the right thing and not just act selfishly - bu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/11/23 07:41 AM
6	most women don't deserve chivalry from men This isn’t even true. How women dress has nothing to do with being sexually assaulted. Women can be modestly dressed and a man may still choose to ignore her consent. She could be in a relationship with him and he ignores it. Marital rape is very much a thing and used to be quite commonplace. You could be an upstanding, modestly dressed lady who had given your husband children, a clean house and a hot meal every night and he still might ignore your consent and protests and force himself on you a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/11/23 05:39 AM
2	The whole women want to use their 20s to concentrate on their careers seems like an excuse? I think it’s like a lot of things. People find it hard to fully accept a differing perspective and tend to view it just from their own and their own experiences. Some people are naturally very explorative and need to “know what’s out there” in order to make decisions for what they want in life. It can be hard for those people especially to imagine being ok with “missing out” on casual sex and partying. There are also lots of people who had bad experiences when they were young with volatile or ab…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/11/23 03:44 AM
1	The whole women want to use their 20s to concentrate on their careers seems like an excuse? Lots of women do have relationships and get married and have kids in their 20s. It may be less common than it used to be, but it’s certainly not the case that all women in their 20s are partying and travelling and rejecting commitment. Most just want the choice and to not be shamed for whatever makes them happiest. Perhaps though it’s become too common to push the narrative that “your 20s is for fun and casual sex” - because it’s also wrong to shame people who are not enthused by that and see th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/11/23 01:54 AM
1	Where are the impartial women? You might be right more recently. I’ve been around here a long time and I think it used to be worse.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/11/23 07:22 AM
2	Where are the impartial women? No, the problem is that the criticisms here are often so sweeping about women (and literally AWALT - so you can’t pushback or argue that there are plenty of exceptions) and often truly paint women like complete scumbags who are beneath men. It’s hard not to get defensive when there is so little room for good will and open discussion.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/11/23 04:33 AM
2	Where are the impartial women? I think I’m in this category and sometimes I’m clearly a glutton for punishment with how I’ve been picked apart and bashed for actually engaging in good faith and with good will. But I sometimes genuinely seem to learn something or a guy actually responds like he has learned something - so it kind of makes it worth it. Kind of!	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/11/23 04:28 AM
5	Where are the impartial women? Agreeableness and avoiding conflict has its strengths - it isn’t hypocritical or dishonest to try to see both sides and make compromises in order to keep the peace.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/11/23 04:22 AM
3	The “men should be able to cheat” argument… Cheating is never justifiable in my book. If you are unsatisfied and unhappy enough to go behind your partners back and be intimate with another person, then you should communicate with your partner and if they are unwillig to work with you to improve things, you should end the relationship. Cheating is deeply unloving and deeply disrespectful. I personally do not believe you can actually love someone and do that to them. Sexual satisfaction is one aspect of a healthy and happy relationship. Yes…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/11/23 01:37 AM
1	Who is more successful in dating - the "Pick Me" girl? Or the S.I.M.P.? Well, I agreed with the post I replied to - my reasoning is the same. Men tend to be less picky about a woman’s character to begin with - if she’s physically attractive, they will date her. If her personality is off-putting (as a pick me will turn out to be), they will date her just to have sex but not want a relationship. Both the pick me and the simp will likely get used by the opposite sex but not find a loving relationship.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/11/23 05:38 PM
0	Who is more successful in dating - the "Pick Me" girl? Or the S.I.M.P.? The pick me would have an easier time dating.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/11/23 11:09 AM
2	The reality is that women do not bring desired traits to the table Ok. I didn’t know anything about her and watched a couple minutes of one of her vlogs. She seems a bit over the top to me with lots of makeup and over-sharing - but that’s TikTok influencers for you. Not my flavour of positive femininity, but she seems pretty sweet. And I’m sorry about her son, that’s heartbreaking.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/11/23 06:41 AM
1	The reality is that women do not bring desired traits to the table Are you saying she’s appealing?	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/11/23 06:23 AM
1	Who is more successful in dating - the "Pick Me" girl? Or the S.I.M.P.? That’s my take as well.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/11/23 04:39 AM
3	The reality is that women do not bring desired traits to the table I hope you realise that is a bit of a caricature of a woman. Rather like a woman expecting a monosyllabic, take-charge macho man who is into cars and woodwork. Do you think masculinity is always expressed the same way in men? Expecting a “feminine” woman to behave as the other poster laid out (as a collection of traits that are identified as feminine) is asking too much - not many women will express/have all of those traits. Just like not many men will express all the traditionally masculine tra…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/11/23 04:26 AM
5	The reality is that women do not bring desired traits to the table Well that’s good to discuss what you both want. I’m presuming you haven’t met many women who meet these female standards though, right? Are you asking them if they want to be stay at home mothers? What are you laying out as your preferences? And what do you want to hear back from a woman?	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/11/23 01:53 AM
1	The reality is that women do not bring desired traits to the table Well, yes, probably. I was just trying to find out how a woman shows this is what she “brings to the table”. We tend to like men to show on the first few dates that they might be a good partner by finding him charismatic, finding out about his job and education, what his hobbies and interests are, if he has a sense of humour we gel with, etc, etc. But how does a woman demonstrate her “wifey” abilities on a first date?! What does that actually look like? Is it a turn off to have a job and hobbies…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/11/23 01:49 AM
3	The reality is that women do not bring desired traits to the table How does a woman demonstrate to you early on in dating (when you are both showing what you “bring to the table”) that she is ok with childcare, can be nurturing, can be sweet and gentle and play the so-called “female role”? What behaviours do you look for? Or what ones show you she doesn’t have those traits?	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/11/23 01:42 AM
4	Dear women of PPD, what do you think - is this place suitable for constructive discussion? What posts can be reduced to that?	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/11/23 01:36 AM
9	The reality is that women do not bring desired traits to the table Can you elaborate on what you mean by “feminine traits”? What do you want women to bring to the table? What are the “desired traits”? Give us a list. If it doesn’t matter to you that she has an education, a way to support herself, hobbies and interests - then is it her looks that matter most? The way she dresses? Her n count? Her desire to please? If you want to raise a family, choosing a partner that has an education, can work, has hobbies and interests is pretty reasonable? It will be benefici…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/11/23 12:37 AM
1	Women are as creepy as men. Society just prefers to overlook their behavior. I think it seems worse because the male objectification is visually represented more often - comparing that to written fiction is perhaps a bit skewed? Idk. I roll my eyes at a lot of objectification of both women and men when it’s blatant - but I guess seeing images of women with teeny waists, huge boobs and big butts in skimpy clothing playing the damsel in distress or the prize to more complex playable male characters hits a bit different compared to reading a fanfic. But if men find fanficti…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/11/23 11:15 PM
5	Women are as creepy as men. Society just prefers to overlook their behavior. Sure, it’s being called out by some and has been for a while (but it has gained momentum more recently with calls for diversity and more realistic female bodies and clothing )- but it’s still extremely prevalent in many forms of male-generated media. I don’t even care that much that there are sexualised women in for-male media - that’s a given. But if fanfiction is being called out as creepy (which is sexualising male characters) then video games aren’t any better. I guess we have different defi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/11/23 10:28 PM
1	Women are as creepy as men. Society just prefers to overlook their behavior. It is extremely obvious and well documented that over-sexualisation of female characters in video games has been prevalent for years. It is changing and obviously not all games do it - but it’s only pretty recently started to be called out.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/11/23 06:04 PM
2	Women are as creepy as men. Society just prefers to overlook their behavior. I shouldn’t have put deepfakes up there with fanfiction - it’s clearly not as prevalent. The better comparison was the mainstream creepiness in male-produced media like gaming, movies, tv, anime, etc.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/11/23 01:50 PM
2	Women are as creepy as men. Society just prefers to overlook their behavior. No need to get all passive-aggressively sexist about it. I may have put the deepfakes in the wrong order of prevalence in my comment - that’s my bad. What I should have compared fanfiction to is the prevalence of creepiness in extremely common male-generated media like video games, anime, books, movies, tv, etc.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/11/23 01:48 PM
12	Women are as creepy as men. Society just prefers to overlook their behavior. The impact is worse for deepfakes, even if they’re not extremely prevalent. Fanfiction can be problematic and it should be discussed more - though there are already plenty of fanfic writers and consumers on the likes of tumblr that denounce what they call “real person fanfic” and restrict their writing to characters only. More of it needs to be called out for being creepy (thirst tweets are definitely creepy), but it is not any worse than many forms of male-produced fiction and media - which you…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/11/23 08:42 AM
33	Women are as creepy as men. Society just prefers to overlook their behavior. I have experienced creepy women - as a woman myself. It’s certainly possible for women to come across as creepy. Mostly it’s to do with ignoring social norms (the women I experienced it with stared me up and down, made weird comments, stood too close, just came off as “too intense” etc). I’ve also experienced far more interactions with creepy men - being stared at, weird comments, but escalating to touching me, following me, getting angry if rejected, touching themselves in front of me, etc. As …	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/11/23 05:52 AM
2	Below average men consider themselves average, which is the root of many problems in dating Most men do not date down on looks.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/11/23 04:34 AM
11	A lot of women are selecting guys for social points, and men here seem to not understand how this works. Plenty of men do that like to show off a woman to their guys (and everyone else). Where did the sayings “trophy wife” or “arm candy” come from if many men don’t like showing off women to others? I have heard many guys say “I don’t want my bros to see me with an ugly/fat chick because they’ll think less of me”. That’s caring about how other men perceive the quality of the women you pull. Fact is, some men and women are very into how others view them - it’s a big factor in choosing a partner. I be…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/11/23 03:33 AM
0	Men pursue “fake” women the most Many men clearly value fake and extremely “glammed-up” women sure. But also clearly many don’t. The women in porn or the Instagram “thots” are obviously titillating to men, but most men don’t only want women who look like that. Those sorts of women are prevalent online and seem to get a very large amount of male attention and men throwing money at them and praising their beauty and sexiness. These women are playing up their sex appeal to the max and a lot of men just respond to that without thin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/11/23 07:26 PM
2	Why does the media not say rape or statutory rape when boys are raped by women? The stoprape sub is very small. Do the larger sexual assault focused subs agree with her? That would hold more weight and would be concerning. It seems to me that most mainstream feminists do not belittle or make fun of male rape victims or make excuses for female perpetrators.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/11/23 03:51 AM
4	Why does the media not say rape or statutory rape when boys are raped by women? I’d never heard of her. If you google her name and askfeminists on reddit you will get several posts with the majority of the commenters disagreeing with her. I don’t deny some women hold these terrible opinions about women raping men, but you seem to be suggesting this is more common amongst women and women make fun of male rape victims “all the time”. That is simply not true.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/11/23 03:42 AM
5	Why does the media not say rape or statutory rape when boys are raped by women? Come on. Men didn’t advocate to stop sexual harassment, they didn’t drive #metoo, they didn’t push back against the laws that made it ok to rape your wife…women had to draw attention to all this themselves, highlight what was wrong with commonly held attitudes towards victim blaming women for their assaults, etc, etc. Men need to lead the way here and stand up for the double standards that diminish the seriousness of female-on-male rape, assault and also domestic abuse. You can’t expect women to…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/11/23 01:00 AM
0	Why does the media not say rape or statutory rape when boys are raped by women? It is not the truth. Point me to a mainstream feminist (not radfem) group/sub who says that male rape victims are to blame? Comedians like Bill Maher and Joe Rogan often paint these boys as “lucky” for their assaults. Whenever posts come up about it in online forums, there will be dozens of replies from men saying the woman is hot and they would have been thrilled if it had happened to them. I seriously doubt you’d find more women making light of it than men. It is sadly quite mainstream to dimi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/11/23 12:54 AM
11	Are/Have female breadwinners (been) willing to do the OUTSIDE the house work? In my country, it’s very common for women to mow lawns and do other yard work. In my cul-de-sac of about 13 houses, about 1/3 seem to be the women doing the lawn mowing and gardening, a few hire a service to come in and do it and the rest the man does it. One neighbour switched for a while because the husband had a brain aneurysm… But, sure, more men often are the ones who do it if they are able bodied and the woman does more of the indoor tasks. I know several men who really enjoy collecting an…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/11/23 06:36 AM
3	One of the biggest red flags for guys to look for in women is if they are against paternity testing. By being against it they out themselves as selfish at best or cheaters and manipulators at worse. From the perspective of an objective truth, you are right, testing to detect a disease is no different to testing to determine paternity. A woman being pregnant is risky. We are taking on that risk not just for ourselves, but for the man we want to have the baby with. We have no guarantee he won’t get cold feet and leave, or that he doesn’t have another woman on the side he could get pregnant, or that he isn’t sleeping around picking up STIs he could pass to us…We have to have faith in him - eve…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/11/23 01:07 AM
2	I don't want to judge but do we now have proof of girls' poor choices? Exactly! I don’t know much about him, but if he’s candid about his issues and he is working on them - I don’t really think that’s an automatic “red flag - run girl!” I question his taste in women more, tbh! It takes a lot of strength to fight your demons and be open about it. Labelling any one with issues as a “bad guy/girl” is very one dimensional. Not saying it’s not a potential complication or risk - but it’s not black and white. Wishing you the best for your recovery - and well done for taki…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/11/23 12:49 AM
3	I don't want to judge but do we now have proof of girls' poor choices? Some women have a saviour complex for men who are “troubled”. Combine Pete Davidson’s candid mental health issues and drug use with his celeb status and you have a man that more than a few women will think she sees through to his heart of gold and she can “fix” with her love and support. Plenty of men also have this complex.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/11/23 11:13 PM
2	One of the biggest red flags for guys to look for in women is if they are against paternity testing. By being against it they out themselves as selfish at best or cheaters and manipulators at worse. We clearly see this in very different ways. It is not simply the objective testing of your “presumed” child - it directly implies mistrust in your partners very character. This can’t just be removed because you think it’s plainly objective and should have no impact on feelings. We’re human beings, not computers or collections of cells. Routine screening for prostate cancer is not emotional and casts no moral shade on anyone. Only if a problem is shown, is it then emotional. Paternity testing cas…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/11/23 07:19 PM
4	One of the biggest red flags for guys to look for in women is if they are against paternity testing. By being against it they out themselves as selfish at best or cheaters and manipulators at worse. I will bite. Prostate cancer screening is looking for a cancer or abnormality that comes from mutating cells within your body. A paternity test is looking for a match between the DNA of a baby and a man who is presumed to be the father. The difference is that prostate cancer is an unthinking, internal bodily mutation that may occur without reason or warning and has a genetic component. It is also part of routine screening for men over a certain age - though the age varies depending on whether th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/11/23 06:09 PM
1	Domestic Violence All I can really say to this is that you are being too pessimistic. You can hate AskFeminists all you like (and it’s understandable at times) - but there are discussions there that will show you that some men’s issues are being taken seriously and sympathetically. It may not be enough, but it isn’t wall-to-wall “man-hating”. What are the laws that discriminate against male victims? I didn’t say you need to trust anyone. I just think you need to be less pessimistic and see the little glimmers of …	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/11/23 06:42 PM
8	Do men realize that the “loose pussy” is the kind that most women have? I have read of men having the opposite experience - not with the age, but with skinnier vs heavier women. I also read a comment from an OBGYN that heavier women often need smaller speculums for exams because there is a “compression of tissues”. But this is all anecdotal. The fact is, your weight probably doesn’t have much to do with the “tightness” of your vagina - vaginas vary in size regardless of the size of someone’s body, same as penises. Age, yes - vaginas can lose some elasticity and stre…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/11/23 09:52 AM
4	Domestic Violence Can you explain why you think it is getting worse? Why is it all the fault of feminism? You don’t think there is a major role being played by male attitudes to this as well? It’s all at the feet of women and feminism that men are not taken seriously? I find that hard to see myself. Where is the evidence it’s improving, you ask? For one thing, years ago domestic violence was 100% considered to mean male-on-female violence. Today it is not - it is explicitly talked about as a non-gendered issue (e…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/11/23 01:49 AM
4	Domestic Violence It sounds like you have had a traumatic experience with this personally and I’m sorry you’ve been through that. But I think it is making you somewhat biased here. If you look at it historically, you should find some hope because until relatively recently women also were met with stigma and blame if they came forward about sexual assault or domestic violence. It may look like everyone supports women victims now (which is not 100% true, but certainly far better than it was) but we had generations …	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/11/23 12:01 AM
3	Why modern women complain that men only pursue them for sex when they refuse to provide anything else? You say women offer nothing but sex, people give answers for what women do offer, but according to you these don’t count because men offer those too. You are literally saying that all women offer is sex/their bodies because that is all you want and are willing to “count” from women. I don’t really know what it is women are supposed to do about this. What women are you dating that don’t show you any kindness and warmth? Why would you try to date someone who seems cold, aloof and hostile? Is that …	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/11/23 02:32 AM
10	CMV: People who beg/demand for empathy typically don’t have empathy for others. That isn’t the case for many around here. Most of the women here, it seems to me, do attempt to empathise and engage in good faith and don’t just dismiss all the male posters and commenters as assholes who have no right to complain. But many of the men here couch their (often legitimate) concerns and grievances with sweeping, negative generalisations about women that are clearly going to be taken as hurtful and antagonistic. It’s very hard to have meaningful discussions with people who shit on y…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/11/23 11:54 PM
4	Women genuinely have to do nothing to attract men. The double standard is ridiculous. Do you think most women are born wealthy or are Instagram models or something? Or 1950s housewives? Most women cannot get a man to fund their entire lives for them even if that is what they wanted. They don’t have a choice to not work or pay bills - they have to, just like most men. Can more women than men have that life? Yes. Can most women? No, I don’t believe so. Then you have the fact that a lot of women don’t want that kind of life. They want to work and have some independence. Even if a ri…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/11/23 10:22 PM
1	CMV: Personal responsibility seems to go out the window as soon as a man is expected to vet women. The stakes are pretty high if the man you have a family with and rely on is spending time and resources on another woman - even worse if he’s doing it with a whole other family. And the stakes aren’t really what this is all about - it’s the undertone of mistrust, whether it’s a big deal or a smaller one. Getting checked for new STDs regularly when you are in a monogamous relationship seems a little paranoid. But, fair enough, if you have no problem with the insinuations if a partner started aski…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/11/23 09:52 PM
3	CMV: Personal responsibility seems to go out the window as soon as a man is expected to vet women. When it gets to the point where it’s technologically and economically viable to have a default paternity test as part of standard pregnancy screening, I will support it. Until then, it’s a very tricky thing if you want proof a baby is yours but you want to continue the relationship. You are questioning her character in a more intimate way than wanting proof of funds for a car loan. Sex and relationships are distinct from business arrangements - there are different expectations and a much higher …	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/11/23 06:51 PM
5	Dear Women, Do you think all men care about is sex? No, I don’t think that. But you’d be forgiven for sometimes thinking that when A LOT of men talk about women as if sex is the only reason they want anything to do with us. I have read many comments on this sub about women only being good for sex and men only getting into relationships with women because it’s the only way to get regular sex. The way some men here complain about how awful women are (AWALT) it seems like they don’t actually like women as people, but put up with us because they’re h…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/11/23 06:32 PM
3	CMV: Personal responsibility seems to go out the window as soon as a man is expected to vet women. Innocent until proven guilty is generally the way we operate in society. But you also don’t accuse and investigate people for a heinous act without some reason to suspect them. (Sure, there are false accusations that get investigated - and the accusers are rightly seen as pieces of shit). If a man wants a paternity test from a partner (not a one night stand or a recently commenced relationship - it’s not unreasonable to want a paternity test in that case) he is going the guilty until proven inno…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/11/23 06:03 PM
1	CMV: Personal responsibility seems to go out the window as soon as a man is expected to vet women. You’re right. It is not the same for men and women when it comes to knowing a child is theirs. Men can’t naturally have the same certainty. Personally, I wouldn’t really have a problem with genetic tests (including paternity) being standard during pregnancy/after birth if it was safe and cheap. Hopefully in the future these tests will be incredibly simple and cheap so that it is no different from a covid test or something. A lot of people already do genetic tests to screen for inheritable diseas…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/11/23 06:02 PM
3	CMV: Personal responsibility seems to go out the window as soon as a man is expected to vet women. I think it’s very subjective. Sure, if I’ve been exclusive with a man less than a few months and get pregnant, I wouldn’t be so offended by him asking for a paternity test. But if we had been together for years that’s a different story.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/11/23 05:28 PM
1	Would you say that men or women have more or less privileges or specifically different privileges? I think most women realise there are privileges of being capable of pregnancy - but also it (and the biology that comes with it) has disadvantages as well. It’s like most things - not cut and dry. Edit: Meant to add the same goes for not being seen as a threat. It has pros - and cons.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/11/23 08:08 AM
1	Many women want to be loved, but they don't want to love. Yes they would. Most feminists are not man-haters. They’d see there is truth to this to be found in some men - or in the worst of men’s tendencies - but they wouldn’t just accept that it’s telling the truth about men in general.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/23 09:43 AM
2	Many women want to be loved, but they don't want to love. Huh. I hadn’t really thought of it that way…Food for thought. Thanks for drawing my attention to it. The modern world has truly thrown a massive spanner in the works.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/23 07:35 AM
7	Many women want to be loved, but they don't want to love. But it’s not the truth…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/23 07:27 AM
3	Many women want to be loved, but they don't want to love. Certainly a lot to think about. I commend you for your objectivity. Yes, she does seem to be describing a female pathology picking from the basest of female drives and traits - much like radfems tend to do when looking at men. It’s an extreme view - but not completely removed from the worst in reality. I’m also worried about how connection will be maintained between men and women going forward. There is clearly a longing and need for one another but it’s becoming increasingly divorced from what …	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/23 06:48 AM
11	Many women want to be loved, but they don't want to love. Wow. She’s like a real misogynist. What a hostile view of women she has. I’d be willing to bet she’s a narcissist and/or psychopath. Massive lack of empathy and emotional insight. I bet many RedPillers think she speaks the highest truths that all women secretly know but keep hidden so as to manipulate men to the most Machiavellian degree.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/23 06:24 AM
1	The demonization and disrespect of men may be an even bigger issue than dating apps and social media Of course women had to work - how can you possibly believe they didn’t? In Patriarchal societies past and present, many women work - in factories, in fields, in markets and all kinds of businesses. Not to mention their unpaid work too. It sounds like you think women have always been 50s housewives or members of the upper class with servants (many of whom were working women, btw). Most of what you’re writing is deeply clouded by your bias. Men and women have been partners in many meaningful ways …	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/23 06:03 AM
1	The demonization and disrespect of men may be an even bigger issue than dating apps and social media Ok. While I think many men are protective and good natured towards women and may well oppress from a place of “sparing women the shit reality of working” - framing all the things that many men (past and present) have done under Patriarchal society as altruistic is extremely generous (if not downright delusional). Then of course there is the FACT that for most of human history, women have worked to help support themselves and their families and not had it safe and easy - plus had the equally shit…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/23 02:04 AM
2	The demonization and disrespect of men may be an even bigger issue than dating apps and social media You are painting all feminists with the same broad strokes. Not all feminists are bigots who shame or dismiss or see anti-woman conspiracies in male victims of abuse wanting equal support. Even if we go with bigoted feminists being predominant - If women could reason with men who had very clearly bigoted ideas about women, then why can’t men “negotiate” with bigoted feminists? Have some faith in people.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/11/23 09:28 AM
2	The demonization and disrespect of men may be an even bigger issue than dating apps and social media Then don’t give up. Be the better people and keep campaigning with logic and an appeal to compassion. Keep reaching out to women online like on this forum with reasoned discussions that don’t revolve around blaming and shaming and painting all women as immature, Chad-chasing parasites. There’s more and more discourse around masculinity and the ways in which boys and men are struggling in modern society. Positive change is possible - but it is harmed for sure when too much vitriol is associated w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/11/23 08:02 AM
5	The demonization and disrespect of men may be an even bigger issue than dating apps and social media You’re probably right that women now are less pleasant and more demanding towards men than women of previous generations. I would argue that many men today have deficiencies when compared to men of the past - but plus sides also. A lot has changed with traditional gender dynamics - it’s far less simple than it used to be and it has disadvantaged young men compared to their fathers and grandfathers when it comes to getting a girl. But it had to happen - women need to have choices. I can look at t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/11/23 07:55 AM
5	The demonization and disrespect of men may be an even bigger issue than dating apps and social media Most women do not feel it’s perfectly ok to expect a man to provide everything for them - certainly not in my country. I’m not denying many do, but it’s clearly not the case that society in general expects men to provide and places no expectations on women. I’m sorry you have too many ungrateful people using you. And the woman on Facebook is a delusional parasite that most women would also make fun of. I know men who are treated this way by women - though the women themselves do work and contrib…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/11/23 06:46 AM
7	The demonization and disrespect of men may be an even bigger issue than dating apps and social media You’re making a lot of unfair and biased assumptions of my character and intentions. Thanks for proving my point about many men being hostile in this sphere and it being the wrong way to engage productively.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/11/23 05:40 AM
4	The demonization and disrespect of men may be an even bigger issue than dating apps and social media Thankfully most men listened and had more of a conscience than that. We have to push back against the anti-man rhetoric that has pervaded some feminist spaces and hope those women come to the realisation they are going too far.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/11/23 04:27 AM
18	The demonization and disrespect of men may be an even bigger issue than dating apps and social media This is very true. When the women’s rights movement started, they were not vitriolic toward men - they made their case and appealed to influential men and to men in their family and community on the basis of both logic and compassion. They campaigned doggedly, but they were not trying to lift themselves up by tearing men down. Sadly, there is now a very vocal contingent in feminism - online and in the media - that does tear men down. That isn’t ok and we shouldn’t be accepting it. But…a lot of m…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/11/23 11:57 PM
6	Once a woman stops being attracted to her husband, and the bedroom is dead, there is no reviving it. You are being wilfully obtuse if that’s your response to my comment. I didn’t read the book, but it doesn’t seem to claim it is based on science, just as your post doesn’t. But they’re on the same level - opinions and philosophising based on anecdotes and personal experience. Dismissing that book simply because it “came off the shelf of Barnes and Noble” but expecting us to take your argument more seriously makes no sense. And you asked the other commenter to word her own response rather than ci…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/11/23 01:57 AM
16	Once a woman stops being attracted to her husband, and the bedroom is dead, there is no reviving it. I don’t understand your premise that “women are hypersexual when young”? How do you explain the studies that women are often at their “sexual peak” in their 30s?	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/11/23 12:16 AM
11	Once a woman stops being attracted to her husband, and the bedroom is dead, there is no reviving it. How is her “pop science crap” any different from your anecdotal “pop science crap”? They’re both opinions, not facts. Anyway, I haven’t read that book - but I have my own take. Women clearly have a different sexuality to men. It’s not as simple as “lost attraction can never be regained”. It won’t be the same as the early days of the relationship - sexual frequency and enthusiasm naturally will drop off at least a little over time. But it depends on why the sexual desire has reduced. Is it just s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/11/23 12:07 AM
1	CMV „As a Man you should never be emotional/weak infront off you‘re Girl“ is one of the most brutal reality’s that a Man has to accept. Yeah - you’re right. I wasn’t being particularly nuanced about it. Of course we all have to “tweak” ourselves to fit in with others and be worthy to attain their love - and keep it. But there has to be a limit. If you, as a man, believe you cannot cry at your friends funeral because your wife will see you as less of a man and never be able to respect you or desire you again - or you have to accept her being a bully about it because “female nature - they can’t help it” that’s a massive difference…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/23 02:17 AM
1	CMV „As a Man you should never be emotional/weak infront off you‘re Girl“ is one of the most brutal reality’s that a Man has to accept. I do tell women they are being awful if I hear them treating a man this way. It’s rather like women in abusive and/or toxic relationships - it’s seldom as simple as “you should just leave” but it’s also not just up to others to step in and call a man out. It takes both standing up for yourself and having people outside the relationship call out bad behaviours. And yes, women need to call out and shun other women who bully their male partners or up and leave at the first sign of human weakness. B…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/23 01:07 AM
3	The negative reactions to this man having the mildest, basic standards is proof that women is proof that men are not supposed to have standards at all and should just be happy to have any woman interested in them. A lot would complain if she said tall. Men complain all the time about how superficial and unfair it is for women to want tall men. Just the same as women complain when men say they want young, hot women. Most people don’t like it when people have clearly superficial standards - it gives a lot the ick to be so crass about it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/11/23 06:44 PM
3	The negative reactions to this man having the mildest, basic standards is proof that women is proof that men are not supposed to have standards at all and should just be happy to have any woman interested in them. Exactly. Men here trying to spin it like their fantasies and standards are so fair and altruistic and about truly loving the woman for the goodness and authenticity of her heart and soul while women are all after the most superficial traits imaginable - no! We all fantasise about being our weird little selves with our flaws and positives loved equally and without us having to jump through hoops of beauty and social standards to be with someone we adore. Men are not better than women and women ar…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/11/23 06:40 PM
3	The negative reactions to this man having the mildest, basic standards is proof that women is proof that men are not supposed to have standards at all and should just be happy to have any woman interested in them. Being entitled is being entitled - whether you can afford it or not, it’s not a positive trait.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/11/23 06:28 PM
3	The negative reactions to this man having the mildest, basic standards is proof that women is proof that men are not supposed to have standards at all and should just be happy to have any woman interested in them. That’s how I see it too.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/11/23 06:24 PM
9	The negative reactions to this man having the mildest, basic standards is proof that women is proof that men are not supposed to have standards at all and should just be happy to have any woman interested in them. Lol - yes! Men here judge women’s worthiness for having standards all the time. And then you have many guys who would say it wouldn’t matter if she was the female version of Mr Beast with a business empire and lots of followers - men only care if she’s beautiful and low-n anyway…but then that is just innate and easy so it doesn’t really count in the same way a man’s status does. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t as a woman. Let men set your standards for you - they known best!	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/11/23 05:57 PM
3	There is no reason prostitution should be illegal at this point. This is a terrible way to look at sex and relationships - not to mention painting all women as incapable of actually loving and desiring a man holistically.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/11/23 05:52 AM
3	There is no reason prostitution should be illegal at this point. Come on. We all know sex is distinct from working in an office or on a construction site.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/11/23 05:50 AM
1	There is no reason prostitution should be illegal at this point. I’m sort of with you on that. I think a lot of casual sex is had because of alcohol and other drugs lowering inhibitions. And to get validation. And because horny…attraction is not always what underpins it. Though it also isn’t transactional in the same way sex work is.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/11/23 05:44 AM
3	CMV „As a Man you should never be emotional/weak infront off you‘re Girl“ is one of the most brutal reality’s that a Man has to accept. I can kind of understand that. Women are usually less physical and less likely to test their strength play fighting and such as kids. One aspect is also that women feel frightened by the very large difference in upper body strength when compared to men - that is a reason why women might cling to any notion that it’s not such a big discrepancy. When we grow up with movies and comics and stories that seem to celebrate strength and violence, women feel excluded from that when they are made aware of…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/11/23 10:11 PM
7	CMV „As a Man you should never be emotional/weak infront off you‘re Girl“ is one of the most brutal reality’s that a Man has to accept. No “purpose” - but you should be able to find comfort in the people who love you during such a difficult time.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/11/23 12:46 AM
17	CMV „As a Man you should never be emotional/weak infront off you‘re Girl“ is one of the most brutal reality’s that a Man has to accept. Those women need to be named and shamed. It’s appalling.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/11/23 12:39 AM
21	CMV „As a Man you should never be emotional/weak infront off you‘re Girl“ is one of the most brutal reality’s that a Man has to accept. What is weak about crying over your friends death?	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/11/23 12:13 AM
–	If men are supposedly violent, rapist sociopaths by nature, women are manipulative and deceptive by nature The vast majority of women don’t assert this about male nature or that all men are “violent, rapist, sociopaths.” Being cautious around strangers is just common sense. It isn’t because women believe all men are about to rape or abuse them if they get the opportunity - it’s that some men could and you can’t reasonably determine this with a stranger, so you keep your guard up a bit due to the serious consequences of being wrong. Asking men to be aware of the fact that women may be fearful of them …	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/11/23 10:17 PM
1	Approaching = always creepy? Depends on who says it. This is a great comment.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/11/23 05:22 PM
7	We raised a generation of progressive men and traditional women. I think you might be going a bit extreme here about the average woman.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/10/23 12:28 AM
5	We raised a generation of progressive men and traditional women. I disagree. And it’s bad for all involved for someone to settle for a partner they are not attracted to. “Lowering standards” is a road to unhappiness and someone being used for their resources or for sex. There won’t be mutual love and respect. Better to be single than that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/10/23 12:10 AM
9	We raised a generation of progressive men and traditional women. I’m not going to argue that no women are like this (I know a couple with this sort if dynamic and I feel bad for the husband) - but your example is certainly not the norm either. And men also want progressive when it suits them, and traditional when it suits them too, as far as I can tell?	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/10/23 12:08 AM
2	We raised a generation of progressive men and traditional women. Men are almost always taller, more athletic and behave in a more dominant way than women. Men desire women who are feminine, women desire men who are masculine. It isn’t surprising nor demanding for this to be the case. But there is a spectrum - plenty of women sexually desire men who are not particularly tall, athletic or dominant. But if you’re an unusually small man who tends to be meek? Yes, you’re going to struggle much more than the average man. Big women who are domineering or “butch” are…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/10/23 12:03 AM
7	We raised a generation of progressive men and traditional women. You’re wrong. It is not a male only issue. Male dominated? Yes. But not male only.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/10/23 11:55 PM
4	CMV: As a society there's almost nothing we can do to help lonely men For sure, men are more likely to see other men as either winners or losers and nothing in between. The loudest “pull yourself up by the bootstraps” types tend to be men - which is why more men are right leaning/individualist and anti-collectivist/socialist than women. Women are less likely to be “all or nothing” types.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/10/23 11:00 PM
21	CMV: As a society there's almost nothing we can do to help lonely men Yes. As much as we idealise, life is not a meritocracy and it certainly is not egalitarian. Some people lose out no matter how good they are or how hard they try - other factors don’t line up. For others, it’s the opposite - they get good fortune without much effort or good intent. It’s horrible - but it’s life. There is a massive lack of empathy in society for those who are less fortunate and don’t fit in with the mainstream - people don’t like to feel bad or be reminded that they may have got …	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/10/23 06:25 PM
14	CMV: As a society there's almost nothing we can do to help lonely men Can you elaborate?	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/10/23 06:12 PM
1	Improving adult education is the secret to convincing young women to pair up with young men and have families That may hurt society sure - but having kids later is not really a bad idea for most people in light of the realities of modern society.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/10/23 05:26 AM
2	Improving adult education is the secret to convincing young women to pair up with young men and have families Clearly we are maturing later in today’s culture - arguably because more complexity is thrown at us than it ever was before. 100 years ago, most young women were raised with the knowledge that they would get married and have kids before they were 25. There were not really other choices. The man they married would likely be a boy they grew up with or a son of their father’s colleagues or friends that the family set her up with. He would be the breadwinner and she would be tasked with keeping the …	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/10/23 12:42 AM
5	Why do (some) men believe women cheating is “worse”? Lol - this is not true. A lot of men cheat after getting the lusties for a co-worker (or subordinate) or creating a dating profile or going to a hooker. All these things are pre-meditated. Men do not just fall into pussy by accident in the spur of the moment. Unless they’re high profile guys with women literally throwing themselves at them and they just can’t resist the woman grinding in his lap, most men have to put initiative and forethought into getting laid.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/10/23 02:15 AM
3	Why do (some) men believe women cheating is “worse”? A man who cheats could get another woman pregnant and be on the hook for child support - taking away from his investment in his wife and their children. He could also get an STD and his wife would be none the wiser about getting checked because why would she think anything new will come up if they’re faithful? Both those things are pretty consequential.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/10/23 02:10 AM
3	Improving adult education is the secret to convincing young women to pair up with young men and have families This is my main argument against the idea that women “should” have children young. Some people might be mature enough emotionally and intellectually to be great parents at that age - but most of us aren’t. It’s not just having a young body and youthful energy that makes a good parent…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/10/23 01:33 AM
1	What's the deal with women and height preferences? I think the height filters on dating apps suck and actually should probably be banned. Many women can’t even tell anyway and just want this magical 6’0” because that’s the popular thing floating around. Well below average height guys (I would say under 5’7”) undoubtedly have a harder time - our society is shallow and height has long been a significant beauty and status standard in men. Men also get impressed by tall men, and women do like impressive men, that’s always been true! But do a large n…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/10/23 11:47 PM
1	What's the deal with women and height preferences? Breast size cannot be changed except with extreme measures. Height can be changed with extreme measures too. Weight - sure, it can be changed - but not on a dime. How about age? Many men jerk it to porn of women much younger than their wives and also make it clear that young is hot - so what to older wives make of that? My point is that preferences do not necessarily mean that the love or desire is not genuine if your partner doesn’t meet those preferences.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/10/23 09:57 PM
3	What's the deal with women and height preferences? I’m not “defending women” I’m drawing a comparison as a response to that comment about shorter men knowing their wives prefer taller men. It’s a way of trying to empathise, not dismiss.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/10/23 06:26 PM
7	What's the deal with women and height preferences? Did you notice I’m replying in a chain in which making such a comparison is relevant? Thanks for your input.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/10/23 06:18 PM
1	Are men more romantic? Sure. I have thought about this a lot before as a big point of conflict between men and women in relationships. Women tend to be lower libido than men, but often in the beginning of the relationship, will be more sexually excited by the new man and more up for high sexual frequency. This is in part because of the newness and excitement, but also in part because women know sex is a major way to get into a man’s good books. As the relationship gets more secure and comfortable, she returns more to …	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/10/23 06:17 PM
1	CMV: Using a man to be a penpal/surrogate is just as bad as using a woman for sex If you think that talking with someone over text for a while is an equal level of risk and vulnerability to literally having them inside your body, then I don’t know what to say.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/10/23 05:53 PM
7	What's the deal with women and height preferences? Yes, I know. I’m simply making a comparison.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/10/23 05:44 PM
13	What's the deal with women and height preferences? You can’t change your boob size (without implants, a reduction or perhaps extreme weight changes). And weight is not that easy to change - if a woman is overweight when she meets her husband and he seems into her anyway, but she knows his crushes are normally thin, it’s reasonable (by this logic) for her to feel insecure that her husband prefers thinner women but still chose her.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/10/23 05:43 PM
24	What's the deal with women and height preferences? And how many fat women know their husbands prefer thin women? Or women with small boobs who know their husband’s ex or his favourite “stroke inspiration” as a teen were women with big boobs? As the other commenter said, preferences are not requirements. You can have some idealised preference and then meet someone who is attractive and right for you but doesn’t conform to that idealised preference - and you don’t care because it doesn’t matter like you thought it did. Height is such a celebrated …	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/10/23 05:07 PM
1	Are men more romantic? So many of the comments here are so depressing. Why do you men like women at all? You make women sound like absolute heartless assholes who are incapable of love and just exist to take from a man until he has nothing left. While men are all good-hearted, pure romantics that shower the ungrateful females with love and affection. It makes no sense.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/10/23 02:23 AM
3	Are men more romantic? Bingo! How often do women complain that men don’t seem to really pay attention or notice things about them? Or that he needs to be told when to help or what to say to be supportive, rather than just knowing because he should know them well enough by now? All the time! Or that men only give them things or get romantic when they want something or are apologising for something. Yet men often complain that women are interfering, clingy and want to talk too much. A lot of men seem to act like they wa…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/10/23 02:18 AM
13	Mario Batali was found not guilty and wants to resume his career. He’s getting a lot of backlash. How do you feel about men being found not guilty from sex allegations and still not being allowed to move on from it? I agree that it is not fair for innocent people to have their names dragged through the mud (especially people who are in the public eye to begin with) over claims that have been found to not have sufficient evidence for conviction. Also, settling is not meant to be an admission of guilt as much as a way to try to handle the situation without the lengthy, complex and costly trial process. There also needs to be a road to redemption for men who have admitted fault and sincerely apologised - their…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/10/23 03:48 AM
9	CMV: Using a man to be a penpal/surrogate is just as bad as using a woman for sex My issue with comparing sex to this kind of platonic, distance relationship is that sex is a much more intimate and risky thing for a woman than giving unrequited attention is for a man. Also, sex, once it’s been had can’t be withdrawn, whereas a man can withdraw his penpal-ness and have lost at most some hours of his time and a chance he thought he had at a deeper love, but in which he had not yet truly invested or consummated. A woman could get pregnant from sex, or get an STD…The stakes are u…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/10/23 02:21 AM
14	CMV: Using a man to be a penpal/surrogate is just as bad as using a woman for sex Doesn’t this depend on the motivations behind the penpal relationship? If both people are just interested in the same subjects and are not communicating with a view to a real life relationship? It should be discussed at some point - but one person is not necessarily leading someone else on or using them. It depends what the motivations are behind it. Men shouldn’t be feigning platonic interest if they want a romantic relationship. Communicate clearly and cut your losses if she’s not reciprocatin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/10/23 01:10 AM
10	CMV: Using a man to be a penpal/surrogate is just as bad as using a woman for sex How is it one sided? Does the man have no say in where the conversation goes? Or just ending communication if he isn’t getting what he wants from the interaction?	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/10/23 12:48 AM
1	Misandry and Misogyny fuel each other Ok. I’m going to try to reply thoroughly, but I’m probably not going to get to all your points. Other consequences, which are more relevant to this discussion, are the single-minded intent to create a "perfect" society in which those atrocities can never happen again. That means harshly stamping out anything that is deemed harmful or could insult or offend anyone, especially those belonging to said harmed groups. I think I follow you here. And I agree. There is an attempt to get reparations for …	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/10/23 02:12 AM
–	men need to stop projecting and understand/accept that women’s sexuality will never be the same as theirs You absolutely did say that - your words were exactly: “The only reason Henry Cavill is considered attractive is because of his height”. Re-read your comment. You are a champion at twisting things up. Where did I say only 6ft + men were attractive? I’m using the metric you are - that tall = attractive to women because you said if Cavill was shorter, he’d struggle.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/10/23 06:29 PM
2	JDBF (Just Don’t Be Fat) I agree. I have lost 20kg in the past and not gained it all back. I’m currently working on losing more again. We all have to figure out what works for us and accept that it’s not going to be easy. For me, framing it as a slow process with healthy changes to my diet and gradually increasing activity is much better than “I must lose x amount by January”. But for some that goal setting is the key.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/10/23 05:23 PM
–	men need to stop projecting and understand/accept that women’s sexuality will never be the same as theirs Seriously, this is insane. Have you seen Henry Cavill’s face? Heard his voice and seen his mannerisms? He’s an attractive man, celeb or not. If he was 5’8” and working an average job but still had everything else, he’d still get dates. Yes, women often crush on celebs because of their characters - which is part of my original point that looks in isolation (including height) is not what gets women hot and bothered. And yes I think Oscar Isaac, Zac Efron, Daniel Radcliffe, James McAvoy, Tom Hollan…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/10/23 05:13 PM
6	JDBF (Just Don’t Be Fat) Yep. It’s like drugs and alcohol - many addicts got started self-medicating depression, anxiety or trauma. Food is another way to do it that is far more socially acceptable and with the huge portions and cheapness of junk food - it’s not surprising it is a very common problem. Of course, it’s not all about mental health (especially in childhood obesity where parents have screwed it up for the kids from the get go), but I’m sure a lot of fat people had issues with their mental health before they …	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/10/23 06:39 AM
7	JDBF (Just Don’t Be Fat) If it were very easy, a lot less people would struggle with their weight. It’s a complex thing, as simple as CICO actually is - getting to the point where you can do that and stick with it long term is far from simple.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/10/23 06:32 AM
1	Misandry and Misogyny fuel each other I looked up the Jordan Peele tv episode and from what I can tell, it’s not meant to be taken literally? It’s exaggerating rape culture and toxic masculinity and the problems we still have with victim blaming and excusing some men’s bad behaviours as “boys will be boys”. How is that hating men or portraying men as evil? They were meant to be monsters in the show, from what I can tell? It’s literally a Twilight Zone remake. Yes. There’s been a rise in anti-male rhetoric - specifically anti “toxic …	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/10/23 01:51 AM
2	Men, do you think bro-comedies gave you unrealistic expectations about women and sex? Really? How did 50 Shades change women’s consciousness significantly? What a wild claim.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/10/23 12:34 AM
1	men need to stop projecting and understand/accept that women’s sexuality will never be the same as theirs Come on! He’s above average height (still not the magical 6’0”) and you think this is what makes him so attractive? I do think women would like him if he was shorter. There are lots of women that don’t find him attractive at all too. If height was what pushed it over the edge, wouldn’t all women be into him? There are many who prefer his buddy Oscar Isaac - who is 5’7”. There are plenty of women who crush on James McAvoy - he’s 5’7. Or Daniel Radcliffe - 5’5”. Zac Efron was the hunk du jour for …	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/10/23 10:59 PM
2	Misandry and Misogyny fuel each other It’s conjecture because it’s an opinion formed on incomplete information. We are both drawing from our own experiences, not objective facts. I do think it’s gotten worse and I don’t like it. But I don’t think it’s as extreme as you do. I have also been closely observing the “gender wars” for many years (at least 7 as I remember discovering PurplePillDebate in 2016 - but had been thinking about it a lot before that too). Coming from the female side I am sure I pay more attention to the negatives …	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/10/23 01:55 AM
2	Misandry and Misogyny fuel each other So what is the answer then? Oppress women again so that they must rely on marrying a man early in life and cannot live independently? Does one sex have to suffer and be held down to keep the peace? Surely we can do better than that. I don’t think everything is hunky-dory - I do think many things have become more polarised and more intolerant in recent years - gender only being one flavour of that. I suppose I have faith that it will even out eventually. A lot has changed in the last half century…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/10/23 01:36 AM
7	Q4Women: If you had the chance to be reborn as a man, would you do it? Come on. Periods are worse than any purely natural biological health effect men have. You have no idea what it’s like to have to deal with all that every month for 30+ years of your life. It’s a huge disadvantage for women - especially those with worse periods than normal.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/10/23 11:02 PM
1	men need to stop projecting and understand/accept that women’s sexuality will never be the same as theirs I’ve seen comments from women liking shorter guys and small penises. It’s not unheard of. Women don’t tend to fetishise and make porn and subreddits about men’s bodies, so it is far less obvious than men’s preferences, but there are certainly women out there who do not idealise the “Chad” type.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/10/23 10:07 PM
3	Misandry and Misogyny fuel each other This is all conjecture. Your opinion is no more valid than mine. I do not see the hatred you do often enough to conclude that women who identify as feminists would abandon the defence of their son if he was accused of anything without strong evidence just so she stays in the “sisterhood”. That’s a pretty extreme stance to take and is a very dim view of women. Yes, there are extreme feminists who have little empathy for men. Yes, this seems to be on the rise and comments that body shame or even w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/10/23 10:05 PM
3	Misandry and Misogyny fuel each other You’re not really making a strong case here. Askfeminists often has comments that are harsh on men, yes. I don’t visit that often, but I’ve also seen comments that are kinder to men and I have seldom seen blatant dehumanising or hateful comments towards all men (the Patriarchy is separate from gender and that is hated there). I don’t see evidence that all feminists hate men or dehumanise men. But there is absolutely more of those kind of comments sprinkled about than there used to be, and it nee…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/10/23 09:38 PM
5	Misandry and Misogyny fuel each other I hate how some feminists have decided that “turnabout is fair play” and instead of taking the higher ground and trying to truly be empathetic and fair, they think it is ok to ridicule and demonise men. But this is common is people who have been marginalised and oppressed. There are many examples of it from race to religion. It doesn’t make it ok, but it’s sadly predictable. Misogyny towards women has historically (and still currently in many parts) caused a lot of suffering to women. This is no…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/10/23 07:01 PM
7	Misandry and Misogyny fuel each other This is not true. There may be some radfems with this much hatred for men, but general feminists do not feel this way. Men are not dehumanized by the mainstream. Women do not hate their sons or hate the idea of birthing sons. Where are you getting this from? Sadly, sex-selective abortion is not that uncommon in several countries (chiefly China and India). Same with sex-specific infanticide. And it’s not boys who are aborted and killed, but girls. Girls are seen as less important to the family li…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/10/23 06:49 PM
–	General rise in mens resentment towards women? I think there is too much negativity aimed at men in many spaces today - but it is hyperbole to say feminists (and by extension most women) “say all men are predators who only care about fucking, raping and oppressing women.”	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/10/23 08:10 AM
1	men need to stop projecting and understand/accept that women’s sexuality will never be the same as theirs Where did I deny women care about looks? It feels very much like you are twisting things that are pretty straightforward. Saying women seem to be less strongly influenced/aroused/attracted by a man’s looks in comparison to men is not the same as denying women care at all. In this context of being “visual” we are talking about male and female sexual attraction to each other. Being “more visual” implies attaching greater value to how a potential sexual partner looks. Their looks being more central…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/10/23 01:29 AM
0	men need to stop projecting and understand/accept that women’s sexuality will never be the same as theirs I disagree. “Women are not as visual as men” does not imply that appearance plays no role - that’s a binary way of thinking that doesn’t make sense here. I can’t keep explaining this - I’m clearly doing a bad job or we just view it all very differently. Agree to disagree.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/10/23 01:08 AM
0	men need to stop projecting and understand/accept that women’s sexuality will never be the same as theirs This binary thinking is wild to me. Less ≠ not at all. In comparison to men, I believe women are not as focussed on/motivated by a man’s looks as men are by a woman’s looks. I’ve already explained my reasoning. I’m tired of repeating myself and it seems I’m not being successful in explaining my point of view. So, let’s agree to disagree.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/10/23 01:06 AM
3	men need to stop projecting and understand/accept that women’s sexuality will never be the same as theirs Perhaps I’m simply interpreting this differently - but to me, saying someone’s attraction is visual, implies that purely visual cues are arousing (i.e. body parts in isolation) rather than visual cues being a part of what makes someone arousing. Men here often say that how women look matters more than anything - that they can have sex with women they don’t like as people and even don’t find holistically attractive, as long as they can focus on some sexual part that is attractive enough to get th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/10/23 09:29 PM
1	men need to stop projecting and understand/accept that women’s sexuality will never be the same as theirs Where have I said that women are NOT visual? I said women are LESS visual than men. Female celeb crushes seldom come down to just looks - it usually has a lot to do with “vibe” and finding a character that actor plays sexy. So many young women crush on Pedro Pascal - who is in his late 40s and clearly not at his visual peak anymore, but many still find him very hot because of his character and the characters he plays AS WELL AS his looks. Women do not get all hot and bothered looking at physical…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/10/23 09:17 PM
-1	men need to stop projecting and understand/accept that women’s sexuality will never be the same as theirs Ok? It’s not fair - men are not “more fair” they’re different. Fairness has little to do with sex and love. I googled what you said and there seem to be no really recent studies? They date back to 2014 or earlier. I suspect things have changed a bit. But overall, interracial dating is far less common than in-group dating. There are stats about Black women having a hard time, alongside Black and Asian men. Asian women are favoured by all men, except Asian men. Black women were the most likely to …	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/10/23 08:55 PM
1	men need to stop projecting and understand/accept that women’s sexuality will never be the same as theirs Many men also won’t date women of certain races. Women are not more racist than men, imo. Men also make many disparaging comments about women’s body parts that don’t meet their ideals (sagginess, large labia, flat butt, etc). You are pretty biased if you can’t see that there are plenty of assholes in both sexes that body shame. I just outlined my interpretation of “women are less visual”. I still don’t personally see that women are more superficial than men, but I can accept if that’s how others…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/10/23 05:56 PM
8	men need to stop projecting and understand/accept that women’s sexuality will never be the same as theirs A lot of men who have the true Madonna/Whore mindset will treat the wife (Madonna) like she’s a less sexual being than the girlfriends/hookups (whore) and will be more easily disgusted or disappointed in her if she strays from his strict ideals of how a Madonna should behave. Also, men tend to lavish plenty of in-the-moment affection, attention and gifts on “whores” and end up taking their “Madonna” for granted as a wife and mother. It’s a classic trope that men who view their wife like a Madonn…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/10/23 05:28 PM
14	men need to stop projecting and understand/accept that women’s sexuality will never be the same as theirs When I think “men are more visual” I’m thinking that men can often see a photo of boobs or ass with no context of the rest of the woman and it can still get them sexually aroused. Women are not visually turned on in the same way as men. Just seeing a tall man or a photo of abs or a guys butt won’t get most women wet. Interested, yes - but not actually aroused and ready for sex. Height requirements are just as shallow - but they don’t lead directly to arousal the way a woman’s visual appearance d…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/10/23 05:09 PM
1	Why is asking for a paternity test a relationship ender? Sure - I appreciate that a man’s past experiences may make him less trusting. He should be upfront about that history and the trust issues it could cause. Knowing that he feels that way would really help a woman not feel like she’s being unfairly judged as a cheater for behaviours he finds suspect, but are completely innocent. Of course women cheat and also commit paternity fraud sometimes - it’s not unreasonable for a man to be aware of this small risk. But it’s so dependent on timelines and in…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/10/23 12:08 AM
3	Why is asking for a paternity test a relationship ender? If I have never given a man a reason to question my fidelity and he hasn’t been the type to show that sort of insecurity in it for the entirety of our relationship, then of course it’s offensive if he questions it if I get pregnant. Especially when it comes to having a baby - that is a much deeper sign of a lack of trust in me than being concerned my male friend might be more than that. Having a baby is a huge deal - a man who thinks I might lie about that clearly doesn’t have much faith in me o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/10/23 08:45 PM
1	A thought about male empowerment vs female empowerment. This is the case with a lot around here. There are some posts or tiktoks from some women slagging off men and saying they bring nothing to the table and short men are losers? “See, this is how ALL modern women see men, they’re entitled, manipulative narcissists who are incapable of love and empathy towards men”. Hundreds of posts past and present on the internet about women only being good for sex, whole societies with the view that women are property and lesser than men - and do women say “I re…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/10/23 07:25 AM
0	A thought about male empowerment vs female empowerment. You haven’t heard all the male love songs about being horny and lusting after a woman’s body? Sure, it may be less socially acceptable today than ever - but there are many objectifying love songs about women that aren’t about cherishing her and starting a family…I’m sorry to say that a lot of female artists are reactionary and just about putting a female spin on a male-centric view that came first. “Oh, so many songs from male artists are about lust and looks? I’m going to do the same right back…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/10/23 07:16 AM
11	Women don't save money because they expect the man to take care of them According to a few cursory stats I’ve seen, this is not the case. As far as I can tell, it’s more expensive to be a woman. From biological needs like menstrual products and special attire (bras), to socially conditioned and often professionally mandated levels of make up and personal grooming. Yes, many women could be seen to overspend on some things - but men out-spend women on things too (alcohol, cars, gaming/entertainment/tech).	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/10/23 07:06 AM
1	What is the main reason men are single 2023 As you are a single dad, what is wrong with dating a single mom or women just out of relationships? They’re in the same boat as you most likely.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/10/23 11:59 PM
1	Have you ever seen an all around "low-quality" man in a relationship? If so, why do you think she is with him? Well - it’s successful and happy on his end I guess…very sad.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/10/23 12:16 AM
2	Have you ever seen an all around "low-quality" man in a relationship? If so, why do you think she is with him? Horrible. This is why I think it seldom works to make such major commitments at a very young age (say under 21). Especially true for age gaps. The older person isn’t always predatory, but the younger person is almost always naive and unaware of what they actually want in life and how to make sure they’re not getting taken advantage of. I’m sorry for your friend and I hope she somehow manages to see the light one day and kick that pos out of her life.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/10/23 11:50 PM
1	18 to 24-year-old individuals who reported no sexual activity in the past year increased among men (but not among women) Geez…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/10/23 04:44 PM
2	What is your absolute ideal man and why? I agree. I could list out all these ideal traits but I would very likely cast out many of those for a man that I just clicked with. You can’t idealise or quantify some aspects of a person’s identity that might get you going - or turn you off. A man could fit my physical “ideal” to a T but then not be genuinely attractive to me because of some other trait that just means we’re not on the same wavelength. It really isn’t helpful to write out a list of ideal traits that just might not actually matt…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/10/23 06:29 AM
3	18 to 24-year-old individuals who reported no sexual activity in the past year increased among men (but not among women) Yeah - it was pretty freakish. She has one kid who is 29 and the youngest one just turned 14- they embraced their “miracle baby” but it was clearly very hard. There are always going to be some unlucky people who are part of that tiny failure rate. The thread you linked is interesting - shows how women differ in their opinions on it. It’s a personal thing. For some women it’s just almost instinctual to be very careful about sex - for others, they will take the risk with casual sex and basic birth…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/10/23 03:10 AM
2	18 to 24-year-old individuals who reported no sexual activity in the past year increased among men (but not among women) Sorry - I am being pedantic! Yes, it’s as close to foolproof as you can reasonably get - it’s just not entirely foolproof. The failure rate is less than 1% - it is 1.85% for tubal ligation, according to the stats I could quickly find. Condoms have a higher failure rate of 12% for “typical use” and the Pill has about a 9% failure rate. Those are the most common forms of contraception - so they are not really that foolproof with general, human-error-prone use. I know a woman who had bad endometrio…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/10/23 01:00 AM
1	18 to 24-year-old individuals who reported no sexual activity in the past year increased among men (but not among women) Vasectomies are not foolproof. Just like tubal ligation is not in women. It is still possible to get pregnant if it fails (I know people it has happened to) - so I was listing the ways in which you truly have foolproof contraception. You have to be truly sterile - hence castration and hysterectomy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/10/23 11:38 PM
6	Dating for men is a race to the bottom I agree. We need to stop all the simping. It’s detrimental to men and women. How we get men to stop though, I don’t know.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/10/23 11:30 PM
12	Dating for men is a race to the bottom How do you change that?	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/10/23 10:25 PM
3	18 to 24-year-old individuals who reported no sexual activity in the past year increased among men (but not among women) Sure, it is attenuated today - but it is still a deep-seated factor in a woman’s sexual psyche. Some women are more influenced by it than others - but it does play a role. There is no foolproof contraception, btw - all forms of birth control (short of hysterectomy or castration) have a failure rate. STI’s can also be passed on unless you also use some barrier protection with oral sex too. Vaccination against HPV is important. Sex carries some risk and this risk is objectively greater for women, …	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/10/23 08:18 PM
11	18 to 24-year-old individuals who reported no sexual activity in the past year increased among men (but not among women) This is true. And it’s an unfortunate consequence of biological drives and social pressures that men are far more horny for the female body than the other way around. Men needing actual physical access to penetrate a woman’s body automatically means that he is restricted by the woman’s bodily autonomy. Women are burdened by reproductive and other tangible, physical risks when having sex with men in a way men are not with women. This all ties into the problem that if men need physical access to w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/10/23 05:23 PM
7	Women don’t want men to have success in dating It’s definitely hard for me to believe that there aren’t women out there that you’d find even desperation won’t allow you to truly desire. It’s sad that being in possession of a vagina is maybe the only standard you have. You deserve more than that - and I hope you find someone.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/10/23 02:17 AM
16	Women don’t want men to have success in dating Are you saying you find ALL women desirable? That there aren’t women who are attractive to so few men as to be considered generally undesirable? I haven’t heard that claim before.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/10/23 01:06 AM
13	CMV : Older women (30+ so called cougars) chase young college aged boys more than 30+ men chasing college aged girls 25-30 being middle aged is absolutely ludicrous. Your perspective is extremely shallow.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/10/23 05:45 AM
3	Why do people choose their spouses based on physical attraction rather than love? This is my thinking too. If you’re largely superficial, be prepared for it to apply to yourself as well and for it to hurt you in the long run.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/10/23 02:00 AM
2	Can't even blame em. You have no idea what you’re talking about if you think it’s that simple and carefree to terminate pregnancy. Even the morning after pill can have some seriously unpleasant side effects and many women don’t find out they’re pregnant until past the point a pill will fix it (has to be less than 10 weeks). Not to mention many women have emotional distress about the decision to get an abortion and don’t make it lightly. It’s not some throwaway process for a lot of women. Saying pregnancy is scarier …	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/10/23 12:33 AM
2	Why are so many men not willing to properly move on from women? (Serious question) It makes ne very sad to hear men say that they can’t see any point in living if they can’t find sex and relationships with women. There is another thread here with men saying they will kill themselves once their parents are dead and they’ll have nothing else to live for. It’s just heartbreaking. I wish there was some way to link up the lonely people of this world and create some love between them - but that’s not really a solution, is it? Genuine love and desire won’t just manifest because peopl…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/10/23 11:04 PM
3	Why are so many men not willing to properly move on from women? (Serious question) I agree with you. And I feel for you - and with you - on this. Some people are not bothered by being single and childless for life - they enjoy it. Others are bothered, but can accept this fate and cope with the periodic pangs of misery. Then still others are consumed with the pain of it and are angry at society for being so unfair… I am very accepting - I’ve struggled to be decisive and assertive in my life. Changing is far easier said than done. I am getting to the point where kids will not be…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/10/23 07:15 PM
5	Why are so many men not willing to properly move on from women? (Serious question) Yeah - that sounds about right. Men do like to fix things and look at the big picture, women are more likely to make the most of whatever situation we have and just try to keep things ticking over and harmonious. You kind of need both these approaches to have a good society - and we are out of whack on different levels for sure. Going back to traditionalism has it’s charm, but women wanted out of it for a reason - it wasn’t always so good and doesn’t suit all men and women. Equality sounds ideal…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/10/23 07:03 AM
21	Why are so many men not willing to properly move on from women? (Serious question) This isn’t true. Being a spinster is pitied and ridiculed - like the stereotype of “a dozen cats” that always gets spread around as you just did. Or thinking we might be witches or weirdos or assuming we have ludicrous standards that we feel entitled to and no man has met them. Do you think that’s a positive “leave her be” kind of thing to make those jokes and assumptions? Single men are usually called bachelors (there is zero negative connotation to that word) and are spoken of with envy by man…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/10/23 06:43 AM
5	Why are so many men not willing to properly move on from women? (Serious question) I’m sorry. That sounds horrible. I have moments feeling like that - a sense of loss that I don’t have anyone. I suppose I haven’t given up all hope and in the meantime I find fulfilment and connection in my family and job and hobbies. It’s not ideal, but I can still find some joy and belonging there. Everyone is different and deals with things in different ways - and needs things in differing ways and with differing priorities too. I wish it were less painful and lonely for those who are struggl…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/10/23 06:29 AM
7	Why are so many men not willing to properly move on from women? (Serious question) It’s actually not that I couldn’t find anyone to meet my standards - and I have not closed off the possibility in my life of ever finding someone. I had a very weird upbringing and lived in a place that stifled any connection with peers of either sex for many years. I was basically not socialised like a normal teen and it has left me with lots of anxiety and very introverted and disinterested in socialising. There are undoubtedly many men who would meet my standards, but I don’t prioritise meeti…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/10/23 06:17 AM
24	Why are so many men not willing to properly move on from women? (Serious question) I agree that OP is lacking compassion - but I also get her point. I’m a woman who for several reasons has not got anywhere with men. I don’t feel resentful about it - it’s really more me and my circumstances than anything else. I see men fawn over women who I see as awful and that’s disappointing - but I’m not bitter about it the way many men in the “manosphere” are about women. I’m not going to paint all men with a single brush because of the examples I see of men choosing badly or superficiall…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/10/23 04:11 AM
5	Women are actively repelled by genuinely kind men no matter how attractive they are, and rather consistently go for toxic men who mistreat them. This entire issue has been hijacked and obfuscated by them fabricating this bullshit “nice guy” narrative. I appreciate you articulating this - and you did it well. I agree that too many people are dismissive of men’s struggles and quick to lump romantically struggling men into a kind of pile of sexist, rage-fueled incels, gross unkempt basement dwellers and “NiceGuys” without genuine reasons to feel frustrated and misunderstood. Unfortunately this treatment is not only true of men in this sphere - it is common all over when faced with people who aren’t conforming and performing as expected. Being an…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/10/23 03:58 AM
5	Women are actively repelled by genuinely kind men no matter how attractive they are, and rather consistently go for toxic men who mistreat them. This entire issue has been hijacked and obfuscated by them fabricating this bullshit “nice guy” narrative. You do sound like a genuinely nice person - coming from a woman who sees things and behaves in the same way you described. Just because genuine assholes get women, doesn’t mean that genuine nice guys don’t. There are probably men who are more nice and altruistic than you who get laid also. There is no magical formula on the niceness spectrum that will guarantee all women will be attracted or guarantee to repel all of them. It is just one factor of many that goes into attraction and choosing a pa…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/10/23 12:31 AM
3	The Kanye West situation proves that women will get together with known abusers and narcissists if they're high value enough No, there is no magic formula - Kanye West getting women does not prove anything. There are women who will go for all kinds of guys if the guy is appealing to them on the level that matters to them. Kanye West will also be rejected by lots of women too - but we don’t publicly see that. Just because he can pull some women does not prove he’s attractive to the majority of women. Do you expect asshole guys to just never get women? You think women collectively will shun all asshole men because they’…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/10/23 06:14 PM
–	Men also care about height Why do you prefer women who are taller than you? There are tall women out there who are extremely insecure about their height and also women who like shorter men. I know they’re rare, but don’t say it won’t happen for sure.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/23 11:18 PM
2	The body-shaming of short men on social media has reached epidemic proportions, yet there seems to be no mainstream discourse about it. Why? Sadly it is happening too much - though I think “epidemic proportions” is perhaps a bit of an exaggeration. In certain spheres, yes, but not in the mainstream. I grew up hearing and seeing many similar jokes, memes and sayings by guys that ridicule women for not looking conventionally attractive and pointing out their flaws. Two wrongs don’t make a right and it’s appalling how acceptable it seems to be to make jokes about men’s height (I also hate the whole “small dick energy” thing as well) - b…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/23 12:14 AM
4	I am convinced that many women treat men like kings to entice them into marriage and then expect them to be different after marriage and kids I think this is very true. Women put a lot of care into people they care about and in many different ways - and other women tend to reciprocate. But men do it differently and this can be very frustrating for women who end up feeling like they aren’t really thought of by the man enough and are being taken for granted. As you say, not really men’s fault for simply not noticing these things or valuing them - often they seem to think “this is just what makes her happy, fussing over people”. But it s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/10/23 06:21 PM
–	Why does this sub look at men willing to date single moms so negatively? Deep insecurity mixed with narcissistic tendencies is my guess. They want to be in charge and be respected by everyone, but they don’t behave in ways that actually inspire this in others. There are plenty of truly “alpha” men who have step-kids and they DGAF what true losers like these guys think it says about them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/10/23 07:41 PM
–	Why does this sub look at men willing to date single moms so negatively? They see selfless or altruistic acts by a man as him losing out on the transaction they view all relationships as. The man should always be “winning” in the tally they keep. Some women also think in this ultra-transactional way. I think it’s a sad way to view the world.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/10/23 06:41 PM
–	Why does this sub look at men willing to date single moms so negatively? Yes. Same goes for dismissing rapport and chemistry and saying all that matters is looks. It’s basically “this is how I see people: two-dimensional collections of stereotypical traits and superficial attractiveness”. It is devoid of emotion and the perfect vehicle for disillusionment and bitterness.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/10/23 10:37 AM
1	Is the 80/20 rule real? I don’t eat meat, so it just doesn’t fit well with my personal preferences.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/10/23 08:28 AM
2	Is the 80/20 rule real? Agreed. The apps are horrible - and they manipulate and exploit the users (men especially).	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/10/23 08:25 AM
2	Is the 80/20 rule real? I haven’t tried to go for “Chad”?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/10/23 07:50 AM
2	Is the 80/20 rule real? That’s a shame for everyone then. I don’t pretend to know the ins and outs of all women and their dating preferences. Some women are definitely delusional - and it’s a growing problem thanks to the skewed and superficial nature of OLD - but not ALL women are.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/10/23 07:13 AM
4	Is the 80/20 rule real? I’m overweight - but not obese. Have been told I’m pretty quite a lot in my life - so I don’t believe I’m conventionally ugly. Why? I thought according to this sub, even if I was an ugly “landwhale”, I’d be all over “Chad” and delusional enough to believe I’m his looksmatch…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/10/23 05:59 AM
1	Is the 80/20 rule real? No, I mean I didn’t even engage with them - they looked “off” to me or simply incompatible, even if objectively handsome. I’ve talked to handsome men (in completely neutral contexts) and felt no attraction to them because of the way they talk, or how they spoke about someone else, or the things they were interested in. On apps or instagram I’ve seen photos of men and thought “yeah, he’s good looking - but he looks arrogant, too jacked, his bio says he’s into hunting or says no fat chicks…” etc e…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/10/23 03:45 AM
5	Is the 80/20 rule real? I have discounted handsome men because I didn’t like their “vibe” for lack of a better word. Lots of women do. The “top 20% of men” is a subjective concept - so all women are not going for the same “top guys”.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/10/23 03:38 AM
7	Is the 80/20 rule real? Haha - it’s happened! I’ve seen it creep up from the already ludicrous 80% and get more and more exaggerated - I knew one day someone would say “no, it’s 100% of women that go for the top 20% of men”! Lol.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/10/23 03:32 AM
4	This video proves what a lot of guys complain about is real. And there are thousands of videos and posts online of men saying that women are inferior, that they are only good for sex, that they need to be put in their place…There are whole nations full of men who oppress women and treat them like property and let men off for violence and rape against women “because she asked for it/dishonoured her family”. Are women supposed to believe those millions of men represent the true feelings of all men, or is it more likely that those men are a product of their …	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/10/23 01:52 AM
1	Why does this sub look at men willing to date single moms so negatively? No one is forcing you to date single moms or finance their offspring. It’s the judgement that any man who does fall in love with a single mom and loves her kids and chooses to be a father to them is somehow a loser and she is just after his money. That’s a dismal and selfish perspective. You have every right not to do it yourself if you find it distasteful, but don’t begrudge other people who might find their life’s joy and love in that situation.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/10/23 01:43 AM
5	Why does this sub look at men willing to date single moms so negatively? Maybe if custody was automatically 50/50 by default, both parties would be burdened with childcare and have equal opportunity in the dating market. Parents settle 91% of child custody disputes without the need for a judge - so men seem to be agreeing with their exes how to split custody the majority of the time. Many states (I’m not actually from there, but we tend to talk about the US here) aim for 50/50 custody. I understand our society still largely favours giving mothers more custody and tha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/10/23 01:40 AM
11	Why does this sub look at men willing to date single moms so negatively? Men don’t actually seem to like women as people, according to RP - except that somehow at the same time they are the only sex who is capable of unconditional love and women just have to be attractive and agreeable to them in order to be worthy of this pure love. Except if they don’t meet a bunch of different conditions, of course, then those women are trash that only lame men would fall for…It’s a load of contradictory BS.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/09/23 10:11 PM
2	Why does this sub look at men willing to date single moms so negatively? What a dismal, selfish perspective.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/09/23 10:08 PM
9	Why does this sub look at men willing to date single moms so negatively? A lot of single fathers seem to hold single mothers in great disdain as well (as the person you’re replying to pointed out) - so, no, it’s not a natural subset of men for those women to date. Everyone prefers people who don’t have a lot of baggage - kids are a lot of baggage, whether you’re a single mother or a single father. It puts off plenty of childless singles. Maybe the men in RP need to start telling single fathers that their natural match is a single mother - I bet that will go down real…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/09/23 10:07 PM
1	Women do get rejected by men Ok, good. I have heard men blame women for the friend zone quite often around here. Claiming that women are deliberately stringing along men, knowing full well he wants a relationship, so they can get labour and resources out of him. If it’s on women for being “fuck zoned” then it’s also on men for being “friend zoned”.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/09/23 08:59 PM
1	Women do get rejected by men Do you blame men entirely for being in the friend zone?	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/09/23 06:02 PM
–	Why is redpill mostly full of men? Ok, I know all that. Where did I argue that men find obesity attractive - or that it’s healthy? I was arguing more against the idea that “skinny” is biologically most attractive - the type of skinny we consider appealing in the West today. A lot of people in tribal communities are not skinny either - the women are not obese, but many will have more jiggle to them than the women we consider a lean ideal in the West. That’s what I was saying - being a little bit “fat” is normal and healthy. Being …	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/09/23 12:01 AM
–	Why is redpill mostly full of men? There have been many cultures over the centuries that have idealised heavier bodies on women. Not obese, but not skinny either. There are “primitive” tribes today that have a heavier female beauty standard. It’s perfectly natural - actually being what we today would describe as athletic and thin is not really what a healthy, childbearing woman has typically looked like over time in many cultures. 90% of historic art depicting women that I can recall does not depict women with toned, flat tummies…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/23 11:12 PM
2	Why are sex workers seen as exploitative? I did say some men might think this way - not all men, not by a long shot. Personally, no, I don’t see OF or sex work in general as empowering. I think the majority of women who get into sex work have issues (mental health, addiction, trauma, etc) and only a minority are truly empowered women who are doing it from a healthy mindset to pay their way through college or with a view to starting a business. What concerns me is the 18 year olds doing it. When I was 18 I had major self esteem problems …	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/23 08:03 PM
5	Why are sex workers seen as exploitative? I think this is from men who have a really “complicated” relationship with sexuality. They are very drawn to overtly sexual displays from women but at the same time quite repulsed by the idea that she isn’t saving it for just one man - ideally him. The only way to reconcile supporting sex work with this purely monogamous “virtuous” ideal of female sexuality is that she is being forced or coerced into it and it’s not a free choice. It’s sick when you look at it that way - that the men who maybe f…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/23 12:22 AM
1	Red Pillers: What do you actually consider to be sufficient evidence of r*pe and SA? Did having your motorcycle stolen violate your bodily autonomy? Did it lead to people questioning whether what you were wearing meant you were asking for it? Or that you should have known not to park it in that spot - what did you expect was going to happen? Was the person who stole it an acquaintance or even lover or someone known in your social group that people could defend and say “don’t ruin their life over this!” - and it makes you question if it was really such a big deal to have your bik…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/09/23 11:25 PM
8	Red Pillers: What do you actually consider to be sufficient evidence of r*pe and SA? Where is your evidence that false accusations are more common than actual sexual assault?	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/09/23 08:09 AM
15	CMV : There’s nothing wrong at all with modern dating. Women are just attracted to less men. This is such a strange argument to me. Men need women too and have always done. It’s like men forget all the ways in which women have worked for their family and community over the years. The average woman being a housewife with all the modern amenities to make housework easier is a 1950s anomaly. Most women have played a vital role in society over the millennia - not just sat back and been given everything by men. Look at the last hunter gatherer societies left today - the men go off and hunt f…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/09/23 07:04 PM
1	"Insecure" and "Controlling" are the new buzzwords used to shame men's standards and gaslight them into believing normal boundaries are toxic. CMV. It’s not expressly to get laid/find a partner is what I’m saying. Yes, it’s for male (and female) attention, no doubt. But they’re not doing it just to hook a man and be done with it. It’s like men showing off their muscles in tight shirts, walking around shirtless or wearing “wife beaters” (don’t you love that nickname?!) - a lot will do it to stand out and get female attention and male admiration - but they seldom stop doing it once they find a partner. I bet those guys would argue that it has…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/09/23 09:23 PM
1	The idea that man whose 30 looks "visibly older" than guys in their early 20's to women is a myth Everyone has different dominant facial muscles - some do get lines earlier than others because of how expressive their faces are. I’m 39 and don’t have any on my forehead because it doesn’t move much anyway. Is he fat? I couldn’t tell that. He’s definitely an older looking 22 - but he doesn’t look as old as the 30 year olds to me. It’s all kind of subjective though.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/09/23 09:17 PM
1	The idea that man whose 30 looks "visibly older" than guys in their early 20's to women is a myth Ok, I mostly agree - a lot of people on reddit exaggerate and are cruel about anyone who doesn’t look perfect. But I don’t think I fit that with my comments…The man looks good - he just doesn’t look 22 and he looks older than 30 to me. Doesn’t mean he’s ugly or old looking. I just think in this thought experiment of an early 20’s woman meeting guys in a club and not pegging that man as an older guy compared to guys her age. I believe they would know be was not 22 - I think most men in their earl…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/09/23 09:11 PM
1	The idea that man whose 30 looks "visibly older" than guys in their early 20's to women is a myth Hmm…the 22 year old has pretty smooth and healthy skin and he only has those forehead wrinkles because he’s actively raising his forehead in the photo. He looks younger than the 30 year old in the comment above and the original post for sure to me. Though I would say neither of the 30 year old men look under 30 and could pass for 35+ easily. But I do see people looking older than their years from a glance - especially men with facial hair (ages you usually) or receding hair and women with certai…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/09/23 10:27 AM
1	The idea that man whose 30 looks "visibly older" than guys in their early 20's to women is a myth I don’t. Not very many 22 year olds look like that 30 year old I seem to be triggering some people over. They exist, but they’re not common. If that guy was hanging out with 22 year old women, I guarantee most of those women would know he was 30+ and not their own age.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/09/23 09:28 AM
1	"Insecure" and "Controlling" are the new buzzwords used to shame men's standards and gaslight them into believing normal boundaries are toxic. CMV. Yep	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/09/23 07:59 AM
0	The idea that man whose 30 looks "visibly older" than guys in their early 20's to women is a myth You have strong convictions about this. I’m just staring my opinion. The perception of someone’s age can be quite subjective - and it certainly varies a lot. I don’t pretend to be an expert.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/09/23 07:14 AM
0	The idea that man whose 30 looks "visibly older" than guys in their early 20's to women is a myth I’m not exaggerating and I didn’t say his wrinkles are bad - but he does look older than 30 to me. Some people look older than their real age, some spot on, some younger… If someone told me he was my age (39), I wouldn’t bat an eye and I’d think he was doing well, he’s a good looking man. But If someone said he was 22, I would think they’re lying or he’s looking a bit dehydrated for that young. That was the whole point of this post - OP is saying this man and his other example of a 30 year old c…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/09/23 04:26 AM
7	"Insecure" and "Controlling" are the new buzzwords used to shame men's standards and gaslight them into believing normal boundaries are toxic. CMV. When I say they do it for themselves I don’t mean they do it entirely for internal reasons - I mean they don’t do it mainly to get sex or a relationship. If they did, then when they get those things they’d stop wanting to feel validated by looking good to others. Having positive attention from others feels nice - not all women garner and foster it through their looks, but the ones who do are not just doing it as a means to an end. I understand men being uncomfortable with the woman they’re with …	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/09/23 04:02 AM
7	"Insecure" and "Controlling" are the new buzzwords used to shame men's standards and gaslight them into believing normal boundaries are toxic. CMV. Why do some men seem to think that a woman who parties a lot, dresses scantily and posts thirst traps is going to drop all that behaviour for him? This just shows how they think women do all this for men and not for themselves. Women who like to show their bodies and like to party are doing it because it makes them feel good - not because it gets them laid. Once they have a regular guy they will not simply stop those behaviours. That was never the main point of them in the first place. If you ar…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/09/23 01:56 AM
6	Am I wrong in saying that if a person has a requirement or preference that he wants a virgin partner but he himself is not a virgin that is not hypocritical? It depends why a partner’s virginity matters to you if you yourself are not one. If you see virginity as morally important and having sex before marriage/commitment as a black mark in some way on a woman’s character - then it would seem that you are going against your own moral principles by having had sex without commitment before. It seems then to be a “rules for thee but not for me” type of deal. Which is hypocritical. If you just prefer the idea of a virgin partner but don’t ascribe any part…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/09/23 01:11 AM
0	The idea that man whose 30 looks "visibly older" than guys in their early 20's to women is a myth I want to put some good moisturiser on that guy and those crows feet will improve!	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/09/23 10:46 PM
14	The idea that man whose 30 looks "visibly older" than guys in their early 20's to women is a myth That 30 year old looks 30+ for sure. Crows feet and forehead wrinkles. Few 22 year olds have those. I’m a 39 year old woman and have significantly less than that guy - I would have said he was late 30s….	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/09/23 10:21 PM
1	The idea that man whose 30 looks "visibly older" than guys in their early 20's to women is a myth Generally, I think a lot of people who take care of their skin and don’t spend a lot of time in the sun look “young” still at 30. I don’t think a 30 year old man looks much older than your typical mid twenties guy. Your photos though seem to show a 22 year old that looks a bit older than typical (I would have pegged him at late 20s at least) - the 30 year old looks like he could be mid-late 20’s to early 30s to me. But it’s extremely subjective. Genetics/bone structure, overall health, facial ha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/09/23 10:15 PM
–	We're going full circle, conservative sexual morality will become the norm again for heterosexuals I would actually agree with this. But I honestly think highly promiscuous men make for bad long term partners too. It depends so much on personality - people who are happy to sleep around a lot are not likely to be fulfilled with a more reserved life with just one person. I’m sure there are exceptions, but if you’re a “one on one” type yourself who takes a relationship very seriously, you should stay away from people who have made it a habit to be promiscuous.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/09/23 01:26 AM
1	CMV: Red pill views of family law (divorce, custody, child support) have little to no basis in reality Ahh, but men’s hobbies and interests are far more meaningful and worth the money, don’t you know?! It’s frivolous women who are responsible for all the evils of materialism and capitalism that plague our world! A man wouldn’t drive a Lambo or buy expensive trainers or live in a flashy condo if it weren’t for women - he’d live in a little garden shed with his gaming rig and a beer fridge if he had his way! And women’s unrealistic beauty standards? They bring it all on themselves - a man would be …	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/09/23 01:22 AM
11	CMV: Red pill views of family law (divorce, custody, child support) have little to no basis in reality The narrative here would say that it’s women’s fault men are more in debt because apparently men are so happy to finance whatever makes the woman happy while he would be fine living like a Spartan. Forget all the big trucks and “boys toys” many men finance - somehow that will be to attract women or “hold frame” so it is yet again, the fault of women. It often boils down to being the woman’s fault no matter what we’re discussing… I agree that I personally see no evidence that either men or women …	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/23 07:41 PM
1	We're going full circle, conservative sexual morality will become the norm again for heterosexuals Crazy!	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/23 06:56 AM
5	We're going full circle, conservative sexual morality will become the norm again for heterosexuals I can see how that is worse than basic promiscuity. It’s like you’re being seen as a placeholder while she looks for “the one” and you’re not good enough - whereas if she just wants to hang out and have sex and be casual, you can protect your feelings more and not take it so personally if she moves on.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/23 06:55 AM
5	We're going full circle, conservative sexual morality will become the norm again for heterosexuals Ah, yeah - too many women will fall for a hot guy who has the moves, even if he’s a douche… No offense, but the legal field and that echelon in general probably has an over-representation of fuckbois/party girls that are interested in sleeping around. It takes a certain personality type to sleep with the boss that is known for sleeping around (or be the boss that is known for it), or travel with a view to having casual sex. Hell, having casual sex at all is not “average”, but some people are ver…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/23 03:12 AM
5	We're going full circle, conservative sexual morality will become the norm again for heterosexuals It’s not the norm for women to go on “dick riding tours” for 2 years. Or to be on phone calls to co-workers telling them they’re just about to have sex with some guy in a hotel room. Being that promiscuous and that candid about it with co workers is unusual in most circles. The woman saying she’d sleep with her boss even though she doesn’t like him? Less unusual perhaps. Is he charming and good looking? I know women who are aware their taste in men is kind of toxic but they are making an effort …	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/23 10:43 PM
7	We're going full circle, conservative sexual morality will become the norm again for heterosexuals Wow - your co workers sound wild! And if I was a guy, I’d steer clear!	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/23 07:40 PM
5	We're going full circle, conservative sexual morality will become the norm again for heterosexuals I’m a woman and I think the women who can be truly promiscuous with no baggage (before or after) are rare. But what exactly is promiscuous? The definitions seem to vary widely.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/23 07:38 PM
1	Why men are (rightfully) bitter. Not as singularly as men do, no.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/09/23 07:43 PM
–	Should men be expected to intervene when random women are in trouble? No. If you’re a good person this is not what makes or breaks your decision to help someone in need. Unless that specific person has wronged you, why would you let their gender or any other denomination stop you from being kind? Painting a whole group of people as unworthy of your help because you personally haven’t received anything from them is a terrible perspective.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/23 07:51 PM
–	Should men be expected to intervene when random women are in trouble? Agreed.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/23 07:44 PM
–	Should men be expected to intervene when random women are in trouble? Completely agree.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/23 07:43 PM
–	Should men be expected to intervene when random women are in trouble? Not everything needs to be a transaction. I’ve helped people and got nothing in return before. People have helped me and got nothing in return. I’m not talking life or death - just little things. If the only motivation you have to help anyone else is if you will get something back, then you’re a selfish person lacking empathy and kindness. The world has too many people like that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/23 07:41 PM
2	Why men are (rightfully) bitter. I’m sorry that has happened to you. It has happened to me too. Some people will dump their problems on you, lap up the comfort you bring by listening with compassion and then promptly disappear when you need to open up and want reciprocal empathy. This is sadly very common - in men and women. I’ve always been a person people feel comfortable opening up to - even strangers I’ve met on a train or something will tell me their troubles - that’s actually a beautiful thing and something I really like …	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/23 07:38 PM
2	Why men are (rightfully) bitter. This is sadly true. I think women have “value” as sexual objects and breeders right out of the box in a way that men don’t - but this is ripe for abuse and disregard for her individuality. In my reply to that question, I said these “roles” men and women are born into have pros and cons. Many men here simply see it as better to be a woman because you are desired in some way - but they don’t acknowledge all the conditions placed on this and how your value is tied to your looks and not the substanc…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/09/23 07:09 PM
2	Why men are (rightfully) bitter. Can you elaborate please? I’m giving my side of things. You’re welcome to disagree and argue your side. I’m always open to changing my view.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/09/23 06:43 PM
1	So I see men here say women having male friends in a red flag, but also that women are unreasonably mean to single men. How are women supposed to navigate this? Do you see how horrible this is from a woman’s perspective?	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/09/23 07:08 AM
6	Why men are (rightfully) bitter. You’re welcome.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/09/23 06:23 AM
8	Why men are (rightfully) bitter. This is one of those biological things, I’m afraid. Women are more in demand than men due to bearing the primary burden of reproduction and only being able to have one child at a time. Eggs are “expensive” sperm are “cheap” is the saying - this kind of plays out in other aspects of life as well. In a generalised sense: women are “useful” as they are - men are “useful” if they make themselves useful. Hope that makes sense. It has it’s pros and cons either way.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/09/23 06:20 AM
68	Why men are (rightfully) bitter. I’m a regular commenter here and I genuinely try to empathise and be reasonable - and I have often been told I’m lying and incapable of empathising with men because all women are incapable of it. I try to see the lonely men behind the anger and misogynistic attitudes and engage with them to give them some sense they are being listened to and someone cares…but to have that thrown in your face with essentially a “fuck you for being a woman and pretending to care” it’s sometimes hard to keep feelin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/09/23 08:21 PM
2	Most women are invisible to straight men just like how most men are also invisible to women Ok, if that’s your experience, perhaps I’m wrong. But I don’t see true male harassment as a genuine expression of desire - certainly not any kind of desire I welcome.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/09/23 11:14 PM
0	Most women are invisible to straight men just like how most men are also invisible to women I’ve certainly heard about women who aren’t conventionally attractive being catcalled. It seems to have more to do with being visibly female and perhaps wearing clothes that clearly reveal this, than being hot. Catcalling is not the worst form of harassment, but I think it is usually more motivated by wanting to make a woman feel uncomfortable and get a reaction than genuinely expressing interest in her.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/09/23 10:48 PM
6	Most women are invisible to straight men just like how most men are also invisible to women Men who harass women are doing it more for a power trip than out of genuine attraction. Women don’t see that kind of male attention as flattering or indicative of the man’s genuine interest - it generally boils down to some old man leering at them when they were 12 or some guys catcalling them on the street or a guy brushing himself against them “accidentally”. That’s not a sign those men like you and are interested in you - it’s a sign they get off on making you uncomfortable.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/09/23 10:29 PM
2	Q4All: Has anything you have read or discussed here actually changed your mind? If so, what was it? Fair enough.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/09/23 06:48 PM
2	If you could choose between the most handsome men, how many of them would you choose for sex? Haha - true, reality on the one hand, fantasy on the other…yeah, having all my idealised men on one island all desiring me is very far fetched. But so is the idea of 50 men all being peaceful about not getting any while some do… Yeah, I think I would indulge in some casual sex, as I said in my first sentence - then I would most likely be monogamous or perhaps there’d be 2 I might bond with, I really don’t know. The idea of just sex with several men I am very attracted to is appealing - but so is…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/09/23 06:47 PM
4	Q4All: Has anything you have read or discussed here actually changed your mind? If so, what was it? Listening ≠ taking to heart. You might learn something even from people you think don’t have anything to teach you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/09/23 06:20 PM
4	If you could choose between the most handsome men, how many of them would you choose for sex? If many of the men were my favourite celebs or characters, then I might have sex with a few! But I think I would end up bonding with just one over the others. No matter how attractive they are on the surface (looks, superficial persona) I would not like them all equally once I get to know them and I’m pretty much a one-on-one type or person with true intimacy. I’d end up wanting to be with just one man I would guess. It’s possible a sort of polyandry could also develop with a couple of men if I …	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/09/23 06:15 PM
1	Are the Red Pill statistics true when it comes to mens struggles? I’m talking about how a lot of posts here are describing how women see it, as if they believe they are putting themselves in a woman’s shoes (empathising). They’re not. Whether it serves men or not to empathise is not my point - but they present themselves as if they know a woman’s perspective and put words in our mouths, which is pretty disrespectful. Btw, the 80/20 thing is not real. If you’re not in the top 20% you are not invisible to women - that simply isn’t true.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/09/23 12:56 AM
2	Are the Red Pill statistics true when it comes to mens struggles? Perhaps that’s the reason, sure.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/09/23 12:36 AM
3	Are the Red Pill statistics true when it comes to mens struggles? Many men here have very black and white thinking and like to put people in boxes and categories - all neatly tied up. This is their interpretation of the behaviours and motivations of others from projection of how they would behave and what their motivations are if they were in that position. They are not empathising with women or seeing it as a woman does - they are seeing it as a man. They put women into categories themselves (based entirely on looks, youth and perceived promiscuity) and they …	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/09/23 06:56 PM
10	Most men would be resentful and disgusted by their partners if they were given a written or visual history of their past sexual experiences. CMV. Humans don’t appear to be hard wired to have one mate for life. Because of this, it makes no sense that we should be deeply troubled with our partner’s previous sexual experiences nor should it diminish our ability to form bonds. If someone is very promiscuous I would say they are less likely to be satisfied by lifelong monogamy, but having a few exes is not going to make most people unable to form bonds in the future.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/09/23 08:00 AM
1	Why is it socially acceptable for women to artificially enhance their beauty but not men? I’m not going to deny that men getting plastic surgery - especially limb lengthening - is a turn off to a lot of women. One of the hallmarks of an attractive man for many women is that he is confident and comfortable in his own skin and has a dgaf attitude to what other people think. It’s not the same for women where a man will often place her looks above all else and if she got there through plastic surgery it doesn’t turn him off her character so much to know she’s been insecure about her appe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/09/23 10:06 PM
3	Why is it socially acceptable for women to artificially enhance their beauty but not men? What are these newer techniques? It sounds like something that is always going to be painful and take a lot to recover from (as someone who has had my ulnar bones shortened due to impaction).	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/09/23 09:40 PM
1	Dating today is difficult because we prioritize Physical/Sexual Attraction (rightfully so) I’m not excluding looks - obviously some baseline needs to be there where someone is attractive enough to not be a complete damp squib - but I don’t believe their needs to be “lust at first sight”. I don’t think men need to be as much of a “Chad” as they think in order to be sexually attractive - but sure, there need to be physical traits a woman finds attractive. I just think men can absolutely build a woman’s lust for him through traits separate to looks, whereas women basically can’t. Hence m…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/09/23 02:49 AM
1	Dating today is difficult because we prioritize Physical/Sexual Attraction (rightfully so) I’m someone who genuinely believes that someone’s personality can enhance their looks - just as their personality can take away from their looks. I also believe that it is common for women to be reactive in their sexuality - how a man makes us feel with the combo of his looks and behaviours matters more than how simply looking at him makes us feel (which is more how men work - imagining doing things to a hot woman’s body). This all culminates in women definitely being capable of true sexual attr…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/09/23 01:37 AM
5	Dating today is difficult because we prioritize Physical/Sexual Attraction (rightfully so) Honestly, I do not believe women factoring in looks and not caring about them exclusively is more shallow. It depends how you look at it. On one hand you can see it as demanding more overall (if you believe women have a very high baseline for a man’s looks - which I don’t believe most women do) - on the other, you can see it as assessing someone more holistically than being swayed only by their looks. The way I see it, as a woman, at least men have other factors they can work on if their looks a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/09/23 10:53 PM
1	Why are men telling women to look past potential partners looks? Women, at least partially, spend more because we both have needs men don’t (period products, bras) and because of social norms and standards for women (make up, hair styling, fashion, jewellery, etc). I’m not saying there aren’t plenty of women out there who spend frivolously on other things, but there’s a lot of stuff women either truly need or are socially conditioned to “need” that could make up a lot of the difference between men and women’s spending. But yeah, men are still likely to earn m…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/09/23 08:16 PM
5	Women aren't attracted to confidence, they hate confidence in men they don't find attractive Yeah, I think it’s like many things - not strongly gendered. As you say, men and women both can tear others down for misplaced confidence. Lots of men seethe when fat or conventionally unattractive women seem to be confident and believe they can land a more attractive/“high value” man. There are complaints along those lines almost every day around here. Women can be the same with men and ridicule conventionally unattractive guys who think they can get with more attractive women. Cutting down peo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/09/23 07:55 AM
1	Most men simply want women at or even slightly below their level of attractiveness, or just one who isn’t overweight. Most women feel entitled to men way more attractive than them and meet a whole laundry list of criteria. The whole “neckbeard wants supermodel” narrative is fictional projection. Ideals and fantasies are not the reality for 99% of us and nor do we need them to be in order to be happy. Yes, it can hurt our egos to be confronted with the fact that we’re not ideal (as a woman perhaps we’re not thin-curvy and pretty or we’re older, as a man perhaps they’re not tall and athletic or they’re very quiet/shy) - it’s easy to be discouraged by this when we see so much evidence that we’re not the ideal we see online and in the media. Saying that essentially all women can only be att…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/09/23 08:45 PM
17	Women are completely delusional when it comes to their physical appearance, yet they constantly suggest men are the ones overrating themselves Beauty is subjective. Your assessment of Ryan Gosling as a “hard 10” is completely your opinion - but many would disagree with you. Gosling is good looking, but he’s not a 10. I hate these scales, but to me he’s a 7 or so…I wouldn’t say Emma Stone is a bad match for him in terms of looks… As for the point of your post - a woman not responding positively to a come on doesn’t make her entitled or delusional. Some women don’t like slick, cocky come ons no matter how good looking a guy is. And of co…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/09/23 09:21 AM
1	Why do men find it attractive when women have no body hair? If you’re down there sucking on pubic hair, you’re missing the point! Lol. But I get it - a full on bush is a bit much. But surely some hair is not bothersome?	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/09/23 07:07 AM
0	Is the birth decline really only women's fault? I agree. Good comment.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/09/23 01:54 AM
2	Where do you think this new push to call men pedos for being attracted to 18-24 year olds is coming from? Interesting. It’s really dumb and dangerous how one headline-grabbing misinterpreted study comes out once and everyone clings to it and repeats it over and over for years…It seems to happen with lots of things unfortunately.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/09/23 12:52 AM
11	This is very anecdotal, but as a man, i miss the attention, do others also? Exactly. Women generally don’t lust after men the way men lust after women (and gay men lust after men). If you want lots of sexual attention, comments and compliments about your looks then you need to market yourself to men and be exhibitionist about it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/09/23 06:43 PM
4	Where do you think this new push to call men pedos for being attracted to 18-24 year olds is coming from? Yep…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/09/23 07:13 AM
14	Where do you think this new push to call men pedos for being attracted to 18-24 year olds is coming from? I get where some of the incongruity comes from as a woman. We have some dichotomous experiences with men and male sexuality that can be confusing - and also mixed messages from society about female competency and naiveté, etc. But obviously it makes little sense to say a young woman is self-aware and responsible enough at 18 to sell her body to men for sex, which will impact her in the long term, but not to choose to marry a man and have kids around the same age that will also affect her long te…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/09/23 07:13 AM
7	Where do you think this new push to call men pedos for being attracted to 18-24 year olds is coming from? I certainly think experience makes a major difference to the “power balance”. Not just in intimate relationships, but relationships and social interactions in general. We tend to get less naive and more sure of our own boundaries as we interact with more people on different levels. A homeschooled only child is likely going to be at a disadvantage compared to a person with 4 siblings who went through the standard school system. There are some very worldly, street smart 20 year olds, and some naiv…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/09/23 06:39 AM
143	Where do you think this new push to call men pedos for being attracted to 18-24 year olds is coming from? Although I think it’s uncommon for men to be called pedo’s for this with any seriousness, I have noticed more and more people saying that anyone under 25 has not fully developed intellectually and emotionally and therefore they are vulnerable to being pressured or manipulated by older people. I recently saw this on a reddit thread about Joe Jonas and Sophie Turner seemingly heading for divorce and people saying “she was too young to have kids and he must have pressured her to marry so he could l…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/09/23 03:41 AM
3	considering what constitutes an "average” This is your subjective opinion - not math. Many men would say Ana de Armas is a lot hotter than that first woman - others would say Margot Robbie is hotter than both… By Hollywood standards, Margot Robbie may well be average - by normal woman standards, she is clearly above average. And defined/strong jawlines are not immediately unattractive on women, just as weaker ones are not on men. It’s the whole face that matters - not one feature.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/09/23 11:46 PM
2	Does the red pill/ Tate advice actually work? Andrew Tate is so obviously a grifter who uses both men and women to enrich himself. He’s nothing but a despicable pimp with no morals. The group chats with his “war room” show him and his operation as run-of-the-mill groomers and abusers who seek to emotionally manipulate, isolate and dominate women. They even advocate for women to be branded with the man’s name. And they have made millions selling these lies to impressionable, lonely, frustrated young men - they just use and poison everyone. I…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/08/23 07:43 PM
1	Which gender double standards and hypocrisies do you think are justified… and which are genuinely a result of cultural sexism and need to change? You clearly didn’t read my comment. I said it is clearly wrong for women to hit men and it should be taken as seriously. I simply said it is understandable why we are more concerned by men hitting women because of the greater potential for serious damage.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/08/23 12:53 AM
2	Many men only want women for sex and validation, because that is the only thing they cannot get on their own Men also get the benefit of male labour which pays for services provided by taxes, right? So, we all benefit from male labour - not just women. I understand that you believe women don’t benefit men directly unless they’re sleeping with them - and that through the labour force, men contribute more to women than women do to men. It’s a way of viewing the world that is only going to cause you to feel slighted and used. If you had a wife or girlfriend who gave you the “benefits” women can give a man…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/08/23 12:47 AM
1	Many men only want women for sex and validation, because that is the only thing they cannot get on their own Don’t be that guy with your “women can do their spreadsheet jobs” comment. It’s such blatant sexism making out like all women just have it so easy while the collective “men” are all out breaking their backs to support them. A large amount of men do “spreadsheet jobs” too - are they included in your condescending narrative as being beneficiaries of the morally superior men who work in physically hard and dangerous jobs? Women do a lot to contribute to society and do a lot of jobs many men wouldn’…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/08/23 02:09 AM
7	Has it been depressing to read about women's inner thoughts on this subreddit? Can you give some examples of what depresses you about women’s inner thoughts as they are expressed on this sub? I can sympathise - but from the opposite direction. When I first discovered this sub and read a lot of the posts and comments from men, I felt quite depressed. There are some extremists here of both sexes who have a lot of rage or simply lack basic compassion for others - they are the sort of people I hope to steer clear of in life. But also, some of it has simply echoed mainstream st…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/08/23 07:49 AM
3	Women altering their appearance in profile pictures is just as manipulative as men who say/do anything for sex 12% is for typical use which is not perfect - just as humans are not perfect. Odds are most people will use them incorrectly from time to time. Perfect use failure rate is about 2-3%.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/08/23 01:32 AM
6	Women altering their appearance in profile pictures is just as manipulative as men who say/do anything for sex The failure rate of condoms is around 12%. A major reason most sexually active women are on some form of birth control and tolerate all those potential side effects is that relying 100% on condoms is a bit risky for preventing pregnancy. If I was a guy, I would be nervous having sex with women I don’t know with just a condom to prevent pregnancy on my end…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/08/23 01:17 AM
1	Do you think men's fashion really matters in attraction? Looking like you take some care over what clothes you wear is always a plus. I’ve seen 30 year old guys who are good looking just ruin it by wearing clothes that hang off them or have stains or holes - unless you’re painting a fence or doing some other dirty work, you shouldn’t be out of the house in such clothes if you want to be taken seriously. You don’t have to have a fashion model look, but you need to look like you have grown out of teenage boy pants magically staying on basically under yo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/08/23 08:12 PM
11	I don't buy that romantic literature "means nothing" about people's preferences Our fantasies surely have something to say about our desires in reality - but only insofar as underlying themes, I would say, not explicit details. Many women read romantic fiction - from Jane Austen through to erotic fanfiction. There’s quite a wide range. Themes I see commonly have more to do with a man being magnetic and sexy, self-assured and passionate and having a singular desire for the woman than they do with wealth or him being a violent bad boy or bully. Male-centric fiction tells it’s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/08/23 07:12 AM
–	Do you guys honestly not understand where Redpilled and Blackpilled people are coming from? Yes, I understand where they are coming from. But Blackpill especially just takes it to such an extreme that it’s clearly irrational - even leaving out all the raging at women. RedPill is not as extreme, but it’s still absolutist in too many ways with AWALT, etc. Clearly, being well below average in looks and/or having serious issues with social skills are very harmful to your dating chances. This goes for women as well, though it manifests differently and more men don’t care so much if sex is a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/08/23 06:48 AM
1	Which gender double standards and hypocrisies do you think are justified… and which are genuinely a result of cultural sexism and need to change? The world is absolutely not a meritocracy, for sure. I’m only pointing out an angle where women might feel they deserve comparable pay to men in athletics/sports. How much someone is paid is ultimately dependent on how much money they make for their employer and how wealthy that employer is oftentimes - for better or worse. It’s often not about pure skill or hard work. It’s idealistic to believe people should be paid based on how much time and effort they put in - or even how important they are …	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/08/23 11:24 PM
2	Which gender double standards and hypocrisies do you think are justified… and which are genuinely a result of cultural sexism and need to change? Haha. I used to be more into them - I just don’t pay a lot of attention anymore. Yeah - gymnastics is a great example. I totally agree.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/08/23 09:23 PM
1	Where do above average but not hot men fall in terms of dating? I guess it depends on your definition of love. To me, love between spouses/partners is not just about sexual attraction where the diminishment or loss of that means the love is gone - it is about seeing a person as very special and important to you. You think about them very often, you want to make them happy and spend lots of time together - they are the first person you think of to tell good news to, or seek comfort in when something bad happens. If something bad happens to them you feel a gre…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/08/23 09:21 PM
4	Where do above average but not hot men fall in terms of dating? Where are all these men admitting this? I have a deep dislike of such people. I knew a woman who told me she didn’t love her husband - I knew for sure he truly loved her and he put a lot of effort into caring for her. That’s really awful to me - to dedicate yourself to someone believing the love is reciprocal, all the while the other person is embittered that they couldn’t get someone “better” and see you as “the scraps they could get” Those people need to grow up and face the world alone rather…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/08/23 07:52 PM
3	Which gender double standards and hypocrisies do you think are justified… and which are genuinely a result of cultural sexism and need to change? Diving in football drives me insane - it’s so off-putting! I do think women’s sports appear to be getting higher quality than when I tried watching them like a decade ago. And some sports are definitely more “sensitive” to the difference in speed and strength than others so they are usually less exciting to watch. I don’t usually find women’s tennis as good to watch as men’s, but football doesn’t seem that vastly different and I’ve watched some women’s rugby and that can be just as brutal, lol!	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/08/23 07:35 PM
1	Which gender double standards and hypocrisies do you think are justified… and which are genuinely a result of cultural sexism and need to change? Yeah - and this is exactly why I’m on the fence about it. I admittedly don’t watch a lot of sports and when I do, I tend to pay more attention to the men’s sports because they are often more what I’m used to watching growing up and are often the “big games” that just get more build up and attention. But I also wonder if I just have some bias and that I should give women’s sports a better go. I think pure sports fans can appreciate both men’s and women’s sports - my boss, for example, is a pretty…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/08/23 07:12 PM
8	Which gender double standards and hypocrisies do you think are justified… and which are genuinely a result of cultural sexism and need to change? I suppose one way to look at the sports/athletics thing is about effort rather than the end result? Women athletes are putting in as much work, time and training to hone their skills and bodies for competition, but they are simply biologically not as physically strong and fast as men so they will never compete on the same level in most sports. That doesn’t negate the level of effort and skill though - so the argument might be why should they be paid drastically less? I’m a bit on the fence about…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/08/23 06:18 PM
1	Q4Men: For Men Who Think Most Dating Advice is "Unhelpful", What Would You Prefer? This is true in almost every superficial aspect in life - the assholes seem to be “winning”. Being audacious, demanding and pushy will allow you to walk over quite a lot of people to get what you want - a lot of people give in to avoid conflict or they see a meal ticket in you when you are a seemingly emotionless go getter. But you will also not have many people genuinely like you or feel loyal to you and if you ever show an ounce of weakness, no one will give way to you anymore and you’ll be on…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/08/23 01:58 AM
2	Q4Men: For Men Who Think Most Dating Advice is "Unhelpful", What Would You Prefer? I agree with this and it’s what I try to do. It can be very hard though because the way many men in the manosphere vent is truly hateful and full of rage against women. It’s hard to feel understanding and want to be of comfort and a source of positivity for someone when they say you literally aren’t capable of love or empathy towards men because you’re a woman. And often your words of encouragement and attempts to answer questions are thrown back in your face because you must be lying or virtue …	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/08/23 01:37 AM
1	Too many women want a father, not a husband. I can see why some women think this way - particularly if they’re conventionally very attractive. Many men are pretty obvious in their willingness to give the world for the chance to touch certain women - they put highly attractive young women on pedestals like goddesses. Women grow up being aware of how female beauty is highly prized and some men will devote themselves in every way to make that beautiful woman happy and make sure she doesn’t have to work or pay her own way. Reverse genders and …	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/08/23 06:52 PM
1	Too many women want a father, not a husband. That’s true. Just as it’s true the average man now is not as traditionally masculine as he was in 1960 (fit, able to provide for his wife and kids, capable of fixing cars and building things). Times have changed. The average person now is fatter, less physically skilled in many respects (men not as “handy” women not as capable of handcrafts) and less duty bound to be a wife/husband and parent. If you’re looking for a traditionally attractive person, both sexes are not as desirable as they were 5…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/08/23 06:36 PM
1	Does the ages of men on TV, in the media, or in politics affect peoples preferences in dating and relationships? Yeah, it’s not truly an age gap that anyone pays attention to. When I hear “age gap” I think 5+ years difference at the very least.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/08/23 08:47 AM
6	Would it be a dealbreaker to you if a man lied about his height by saying he is shorter than he is? Nothing. No one can force you to enjoy the company of others. I highly doubt there are no women who share any interests in common with you that you can enjoy together - but it’s possible there are few. Women also don’t want to be around men who make no effort to engage with them and find ways to connect other than sexually. A lot of people will put effort into taking an interest in what a person they like is into - but if you don’t see the point in doing that, then I guess it would mean you real…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/08/23 09:40 AM
7	Would it be a dealbreaker to you if a man lied about his height by saying he is shorter than he is? Because it isn’t really any different? Women can offer all those things I listed - depending on the individual woman, more or less. Specifics like being a good cook, or being particularly empathetic or cooperative or being adventurous or great with children are more individual - but come under companionship and support. Some are things I individually offer besides sex - but not all women do, and I don’t offer some things another woman might. But does it matter what women offer if men don’t want …	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/08/23 09:29 AM
11	Would it be a dealbreaker to you if a man lied about his height by saying he is shorter than he is? First, let me ask - what do you believe women should/used to/can offer besides sex? What would matter to you? I’ll list what people might have to offer, besides sex, in a relationship: Companionship - this can entail many things, but most would define it as having things in common to talk about and do together, being loyal and supporting each other through life’s ups and downs, achieving mutual goals, helping each other to feel less alone and having someone to confide in and who supports you in …	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/08/23 08:26 AM
10	Would it be a dealbreaker to you if a man lied about his height by saying he is shorter than he is? Yep. Women generally like men who are easygoing to be around and seem to be genuinely interested in hanging out and not just zeroing in on sex. It’s sad for the men who feel this way that they’re stuck being sexually attracted to people they don’t actually like being around.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/08/23 08:04 AM
12	Would it be a dealbreaker to you if a man lied about his height by saying he is shorter than he is? Just as I feared. You are brainwashed for seriously believing modern women only have sex to offer. You are also brainwashed if you think men in the past generally thought differently. This is a major grievance for women down the ages - that men do not admire or appreciate us for anything but our sexual utility and have a much higher opinion of their fellow men as people than they do women. Your beliefs are simply age-old misogyny - nothing original. And not some intellectual, reasoned reaction t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/08/23 08:01 AM
33	Would it be a dealbreaker to you if a man lied about his height by saying he is shorter than he is? It has to be the saddest thing I’ve learnt from the “manosphere” - that a lot of men just plain don’t like women or enjoy women’s company - they just want to “hit and quit it”. Do you subscribe to the RedPill belief that men love women more purely than women love men? And that women use men more than men use women? Because the whole “truth” that men don’t actually like women, they just want to use us for our sexual utility flies in the face of that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/08/23 03:02 AM
3	The best option for men who aren't top tier for casual sex are late 30's to early 40's women Women are seldom basing their attraction to a guy purely on his appearance. Also, a lot of men look better after 25 because some don’t fully lose their baby fat and/or gangly limbs until then. A lot of young guys look “too young” for women over 35 or so to seriously consider as sexual partners. Of course, there are older women into young guys - but it’s not as common for women to stick with “younger is hotter” as they age as men tend to do (like men citing 18-24 as the hottest for women even whe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/08/23 01:36 AM
12	Q4W : Why is a guy being short not unattractive but a guy being insecure about being short unattractive? Minor insecurity in and of itself is not unattractive - it’s a very normal thing to have insecurities. But complaining a lot about it and needing frequent reassurance is tiresome and makes it seem like you won’t ever learn to accept what is making you feel insecure. When a lot of your personality seems caught up in your insecurities, it makes you come across as kind of a downer and no one really finds that an attractive vibe, right? Super insecure women are not widely accepted either - a lot of …	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/23 07:13 AM
14	Why do you think so many women are sexually attracted to K-pop male stars ? Prince was also popular with women back in the day - he was a petite black man who came off quite effeminate but was very much straight. Confidence, originality, charisma…so much more important than physical stature.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/23 03:18 AM
3	It's not fair that a small percentage of men get to affect women's views on all men You can lay some blame on men also for the notion that male sexuality is dangerous and deviant. Men tend to tell the women they care about to be careful around strange men - fathers usually warn their daughters that “a lot of boys only want one thing” and are protective of their daughters and want to know who they are dating. It doesn’t come just from women being paranoid about bad stories happening far away from them. Not to mention a lot of young girls get harassed very early by much older men…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/23 06:18 AM
9	Study : Women’s self-rated attraction to male faces does not correspond with physiological arousal If you can’t grasp it, then you have to simply accept it. A lot of women don’t really understand how a man can want to sleep with a woman just after glancing at her - even to the point of genuinely disliking her as a person/not enjoying her company at all, but still being sexually into her. To many women, this makes little sense and we can’t imagine sleeping with a man we don’t like or find fun to hang out with - even if he’s an ideal physical specimen. So many men accuse women of lying or virtu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/23 01:42 AM
-1	Why do we always hear about "unrealistic female beauty standards" when male beauty standards are far more unrealistic? It’s not seen as too much effort - but it is an effort and can be a big effort depending on how hairy you are naturally and whether you have sensitive skin, etc. The expectation for women to have petty uniformly smooth, soft skin is pretty strong from men. This is not a natural state for human skin in most places, so maintaining that is not easy. Men being dismissive of women’s efforts is to be expected - women also downplay men’s efforts. I just get tired of the narrative around here that women…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/23 05:10 PM
0	Why do we always hear about "unrealistic female beauty standards" when male beauty standards are far more unrealistic? I disagree.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/23 04:50 PM
–	Women are far worse at articulating what they find attractive than men You’re right - it’s not just a failure from men’s side when they don’t understand what women mean. I am aware women can be ineffective communicators with men and expect them to “mind read” the way a fellow woman might. There is definitely room for improvement. As for women not talking about specific physical things about men they are attracted to…Idk, I have heard and read online women talking about men’s body parts as attractive, but usually with men they already holistically find attractive. L…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/23 03:45 AM
–	The problem isn't high standards for men, its high entry standards. Come on, that’s not true at all.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/23 01:30 AM
1	Why do we always hear about "unrealistic female beauty standards" when male beauty standards are far more unrealistic? I disagree but I don’t think there’s any arguing with you, your mind is made up.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/23 11:29 PM
4	Why do we always hear about "unrealistic female beauty standards" when male beauty standards are far more unrealistic? Sure - it’s extreme, but men are also talking as if they have to be the perfect “Chad” to be considered attractive. Many men and women want to be as close to the beauty standard as they can be ideally because they feel pressure to be better than average and to be widely considered desirable. A lot of people of course don’t expect this in a partner and are attracted despite “flaws” like body hair, less than ideal body shape, less than ideal height or facial symmetry, etc. It’s very dismissive to …	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/23 10:43 PM
20	Why do we always hear about "unrealistic female beauty standards" when male beauty standards are far more unrealistic? You’ve never seen body hair on a woman because women do all sorts to get rid of it. Most women go to waxing salons or get laser hair removal or use epilators or the like to rid their bodies of unwanted hair. So many have thicker hairs in their butt crack, pubic area and onto the thighs and also on the backs of their thighs. Many have a whisker or two they have to pluck from their face and nipples - we also have toe hair to worry about. I know women who have dark hair and are from more “hirsute” …	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/23 09:31 PM
–	Women are far worse at articulating what they find attractive than men Women often tell men what they’re attracted to but men take it as nebulous or bullshit because they don’t actually accept that women’s attraction works a bit differently than theirs. Women almost always speak of a more holistic narrative when talking about attractive men: “I love to see his arm when he puts it on the back of my seat when he’s reversing” or as Gravel Roads says, women will talk about how a tall man makes them feel encompassed and maybe more feminine. Women do specifically like me…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/23 09:07 PM
16	Why do so many women expect us to understand women during their mood swings when they have their periods? Aren’t they admitting upfront that they are more emotional due to their biology? Women are human. We have challenges with our hormones and health - as do men. Men often talk about the powerful effect testosterone has on them - the horniness, aggression, etc. Clearly, men are emotional also partly because of their hormones and some men are better at controlling the impact their emotions have than others. Same with women. Also, if you’re in bad pain, you tend to be a bit less calm and collected - periods can be very painful for a lot of women. Not all women experience mood swi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/23 06:22 AM
12	Why do so many women expect us to understand women during their mood swings when they have their periods? Aren’t they admitting upfront that they are more emotional due to their biology? Exactly. Thank you!	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/23 05:48 AM
5	Women shouldn’t be demonized for doing sex work but they should understand why guys are jealous and bitter about it. Most female sex workers do not make a lot of money. Whether they’re working online, in person or a combo - it’s only a small percentage that get rich and many don’t make enough to really compare to a “normal” job. To think that your average woman could make a lucrative career selling her body for a few easy hours of work a week is misguided to say the least. Many sex workers in the world are not exactly thriving financially, physically, socially or psychologically - so being envious or bitter ab…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/23 02:49 AM
3	What percentage of men can date/sleep with conventionally hot or head-turning women ? Ms Pui Yi says on a podcast that she’s had lip fillers and eye and nose thread lifts. I’m guessing she may have implants also. There are photos of her from earlier where her breasts look quite a bit smaller than they are now.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/08/23 10:17 PM
2	How common is it for women to date and/or marry men they have no attraction to or affection towards simply because it's "the norm" or because they love the idea of being in a relationship moreso than actually being in a relationship? Uncommon, but still too common. Most people marry someone they feel attracted to and feel affection towards - but they sometimes do this too young, or without really thinking through what they really want and expect from the marriage. I feel like women focused just on the ceremony of getting married are a special breed - it certainly seems rare in my country to hear of stereotypical “bridezillas”. I have two anecdotes of people marrying when they weren’t really in love and it was more “the thing…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/08/23 09:36 PM
6	What percentage of men can date/sleep with conventionally hot or head-turning women ? They are absolutely edited. Probably has had cosmetic surgery too.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/08/23 09:05 PM
5	A lot of women are awfully entitled to male company and friendship Sounds like you don’t have a good opinion of women. And yeah, it makes sense that having a friendship with someone you don’t actually like or admire as a person would lack any benefit to you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/23 11:13 PM
2	A lot of women are awfully entitled to male company and friendship I think it’s somewhat understandable - but I also understand a man’s perspective on this too. If you’re friendly with someone at work and you always thought it was just platonic - having lunch together and chatting about work-related things or light conversations about life in general, etc - and then they stop all of that because they found out you’re not romantically available, it’s going to hurt a bit. Women tend to see men by default as neutral - just other people they interact with, unless i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/23 06:58 PM
4	A lot of women are awfully entitled to male company and friendship What makes a good friend in your book? I’m just curious as to why you believe women very rarely make good platonic friends for men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/23 06:26 PM
4	Why Men Are Resentful of The Way Women's Sexuality (Often) Works “Women” can’t stop pretending to be “equal” to men, because women are not a monolith. A lot of women would disagree with me and say that for them, sex is a totally equal exchange and my viewpoint is old fashioned. I therefore don’t speak for all women - and what some women perceive as “equality” is going to differ. To me, equality ≠ symmetry. You can be equal, but different. Like a scale - put two different materials in each side, they may weigh the same but that doesn’t change that they may be …	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/08/23 07:03 AM
2	So how exactly do men "deceive" women into sex? No, I didn’t say that at all. You have twisted it to suit your narrative. Women enjoy sex when it is enjoyable sex - that just happens to be less simple than it is for men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/08/23 05:37 PM
7	So how exactly do men "deceive" women into sex? Telling her she’s special and you really enjoy her company and have a lot in common with her. Sending her messages saying you miss her and can’t wait to see her again. Saying you are not looking for a casual relationship and you’d love to have kids one day. Telling her she’s beautiful and sexy and you can’t wait to have sex with her…. All of this heavily implies you both find her sexually attractive AND really vibe with her as a person and you are looking for someone to build a future with. So w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/08/23 08:56 AM
2	So how exactly do men "deceive" women into sex? I hate this attitude.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/08/23 08:36 AM
6	So how exactly do men "deceive" women into sex? Sigh. Biology is why sex is different for men and women. Women risk a lot more with sex than men do and have less guarantee it will be enjoyable and end in a climax. Especially casual sex. It’s not hard to figure out why it’s a bigger deal for women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/08/23 08:31 AM
14	Why Men Are Resentful of The Way Women's Sexuality (Often) Works No, it’s not. If you’re unattractive to men for relationships and only “good for sex” then as a woman, you are in a bad and vulnerable position. It’s a negative you’d be better off without. Sex is not an equal exchange between men and women - women take on more risk on many levels, while it’s all upsides for a guy if he has sex. Of course women want to feel special. Do you like feeling like a number? Like you’re interchangeable with any other man? Humans want to feel special. To ourselves, we ar…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/08/23 07:48 AM
9	Why Men Are Resentful of The Way Women's Sexuality (Often) Works Yes. And it’s why men feel validated by female sexual attention - it’s usually more genuinely complimentary and marks a man out from the crowd. Women seldom have sex with men they genuinely aren’t attracted to. Male sexual attention can be complimentary and special - but it can also be just a sign a guy wants to get his dick wet and any hole will do and you are a “oh well, struck out with the hotties, I guess you’ll have to do”. I have heard and read talk like that about conventionally unattract…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/08/23 07:08 AM
6	Why Men Are Resentful of The Way Women's Sexuality (Often) Works That’s sad on all fronts really.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/08/23 02:56 AM
15	Why Men Are Resentful of The Way Women's Sexuality (Often) Works Well that’s bad as well. I think you should only have sex with people you actually like and wouldn’t feel ashamed being connected to - it’s weird that even has to be said, lol.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/08/23 01:29 AM
21	Why Men Are Resentful of The Way Women's Sexuality (Often) Works And that’s how you get women who feel objectified and pumped and dumped. It’s a horrible thing to have someone think you’re good enough to nut in but they actually think you’re ugly and they don’t want to embarrass themselves being seen with you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/08/23 01:00 AM
1	Being anti red pill will make you resentful of women This is a fantastic response!	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/08/23 01:59 AM
2	Men certainly don't need to be more in touch with their emotions Do you think men are able to empathise with women? A lot of people struggle to empathise with others. Perhaps it is true that it’s more difficult to empathise with the opposite sex - especially on issues that have a strong gender difference. But suggesting that women especially aren’t able to empathise with men and this may mean female therapists are actually harming men’s mental health is a bold claim. Any decent therapist should tailor their approach based on the individual - women don’t all r…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/23 11:09 AM
2	Would you consider dating a man with a working class / blue collar job ? It’s ludicrous to say that she’s begging for a miserable life because his body will give out and he won’t be able to have good sex…I agree that there are jobs that are too stressful and physically damaging to be good for a person’s health and that in turn strains the relationship - but it’s not fair to tell someone they basically should not have married someone because their job will make them bad at sex eventually, which is how I interpret the comment I replied to. It makes so many assumptions …	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/23 06:55 AM
1	Women how much does a man need to make to be your partner? I don’t really care. Who he is and whether we’re compatible with each other matters more.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/23 03:11 AM
2	Women how much does a man need to make to be your partner? You’re above average looking for sure. No one sane would call you a 3 or 4. You’re probably a 5 on your worst day and a 7 if you were groomed a little neater and smartly dressed (or dressed the way any one particular woman rating you likes a man to dress).	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/23 03:08 AM
5	Would you consider dating a man with a working class / blue collar job ? What a ludicrous judgement to make.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/23 12:03 AM
2	“Having It All”, perceptions during LTRs, and relationships failing. Yep - this is my experience too. My friend is very “Type A” and planned and saved so she could be in a good place to afford to have a kid and keep a good work/life balance. She got with her husband at 19 and planned to have a child since her mid 20s - even though she knew her PCOS would potentially make it difficult to conceive. She needed to get her Masters, buy a house and do the small amount of travel she wanted to do before they tried to get pregnant. By the time that was all achieved she wa…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/08/23 07:14 AM
1	Q4W: how many DMs do you get from random fellas? Maybe a few a year that aren’t scammers? I very rarely post photos of myself, but there is one easily seen on my Facebook. I barely use social media now outside of Reddit, but even when I was more active, there are only two or three men that I can think of over the years that actually made any sexual overtures. Mostly just follows but no message - or just general friendly responses to posts or stories.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/08/23 06:43 AM
0	Do you think in 2023 we are living in a Patriarchy, a Matriarchy or a completely gender neutral society? Ok…Women have some advantages for sure, and I disagree with some of the ways in which women’s issues are used to demonise men - but a lot of what you said is hyperbole and/or biased. Men are being left behind in some ways today and that needs to be taken seriously - but I genuinely don’t see women having more power overall.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/08/23 06:34 AM
0	Do you think in 2023 we are living in a Patriarchy, a Matriarchy or a completely gender neutral society? I’d genuinely like to know in what specific ways the average woman has “a lot more power” than the average man?	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/08/23 05:03 AM
5	Women dislike passport bros because they have no equivalent option themselves I have Italian family and their kids didn’t move out until they were getting married and having their own kids. It’s just the norm there - not some sign of emotional immaturity. So, I would think a lot of women wouldn’t care about it once they understand the culture.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/23 09:22 PM
–	What is a 'high value woman'? I have 10 years on you and I disagree. It’s also subjective which men women find to be “high value”. We don’t all value the same things thankfully - and that’s a human trait, not a gendered one.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/23 07:00 AM
–	What is a 'high value woman'? What has lead you to that conclusion?	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/23 04:30 AM
–	What is a 'high value woman'? So you’re saying that women will all agree on what makes a man “high value” but men won’t agree on what makes a woman “high value”?	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/23 12:58 AM
0	Do you think marriage will die out completely once Women start out earning Men on average? This idea that most women marry - and divorce - with the intent to take financial and material advantage of a man is a horrible, and frankly sexist, perspective. Studies have shown that more women than men are worse off financially after a divorce and women are less likely to remarry - if marriage was such a reliable and easy swindle for women and such a raw deal for men, why do more men remarry than women? You’d think women would leap at the chance to do it again if it was such a good way to en…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/08/23 08:02 PM
2	Question for Women - Is it true that you find the majority of Men unnatractive? I just don’t understand why there has to be an “inferior/superior” measurement when it comes to libido? It is not a competitive measure between men and women. What makes it “inferior” for women to have a less urgent and preoccupying sex drive compared to men? It’s arguable whether it is advantageous to have a higher libido - therefore I can’t call it superior. It is definitely a stronger sex drive, so that is accurate - but doesn’t translate to superiority the same way having stronger muscles do…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/07/23 09:50 PM
2	Question for Women - Is it true that you find the majority of Men unnatractive? It’s not a competition though. Women get defensive because men will say things like “women’s libidos are inferior” and expand that to “women are the problem” and get upset with women for “being picky/difficult/demanding”. Being different does not necessarily mean inferior. Women’s sex drives are what they are for biological reasons - it wouldn’t make sense for women to be as indiscriminately horny as men. With the downsides of men’s high libidos, one could argue men’s are inferior…The truth is t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/07/23 06:15 PM
4	Question for Women - Is it true that you find the majority of Men unnatractive? Those people are wrong - or simply outliers. It’s very obvious most women do not have the same urgency in their sex drive as men. Most women want sex frequently and enjoy (good) sex - but it’s clearly less common for women to be as relentlessly horny as regularly and reliably as most men. Heterosexual sex culture would look more like homosexual sex culture if women had the same libidos as men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/07/23 05:54 PM
58	Question for Women - Is it true that you find the majority of Men unnatractive? This is where men and women are generally very different. Most women don’t look at men and think about whether they’d have sex with them - i.e. whether they are attractive. Men are just neutral people in the world unless they do something that changes that. It’s why most women don’t approach men - it’s not how women’s sexuality usually works. We’re not as driven to find sexual partners as men are. It is what it is and I understand it’s frustratingly different from how men’s sexuality usually wor…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/23 08:05 PM
5	Asking your partner not to dress provocately in a serious relationship is not toxic. I did mention strappy heels in the second paragraph actually. As part of the fashion trends women feel peer pressure to conform to - as well as perhaps just feeling nice to be taller and have a nicer shape to your legs. Do men not understand how it can feel good to change how you look for the better with your clothes and shoes? I see lots of men wearing clothes that show off muscles or just help them look sharper and stylish. Do they only do that to attract women? Not to fit in with their friend…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/23 06:26 AM
9	Asking your partner not to dress provocately in a serious relationship is not toxic. How is it gaslighting? How women dress does not necessarily revolve around attracting men - doesn’t mean it has nothing to do with it though. Trends in women’s fashion are surely influenced by highlighting attractive areas of the body - but women follow those trends for reasons other than explicitly attracting men. Believing that a woman should change her style of dress once she is in a relationship shows the man assumes she only dresses that way in order to attract men… Self esteem often has so…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/23 04:21 AM
30	Asking your partner not to dress provocately in a serious relationship is not toxic. This is really the only advice that makes sense. If you are attracted to and pursue relationships with women you believe are dressing provocatively and are then offended by them continuing to dress that way when you “have them” you are being unreasonable. Lots of women dress modestly - you can date them and never run into this problem. It’s a classic example of someone who believes women’s attire/look revolves entirely around attracting men, therefore once she has a man, she should stop looking …	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/23 11:52 PM
1	Why is the 80/20 rule offensive? You’re welcome :) I do actually try to genuinely engage here and appreciate when that’s appreciated! I think women are sensitive to being negatively generalised by men because, honestly, negative stereotypes about women have been used in concrete ways against women since forever. When men start to talk like all women are status-seeking, disingenuous users, women worry some men will actually take that very seriously (as some men are prone to doing) and use it to justify their misogyny and even vi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/23 09:07 PM
1	Why is the 80/20 rule offensive? A study did come out saying men tended to message the most attractive women - the same OkCupid study as the 80/20 findings. It showed ⅔ of men messaged the top ⅓ of women. OkCupid studies also showed men preferred women around 20 years old, even when they were in their 40s. Are men offended by this? Probably not - but I’m sure some men disagree with it and don’t like being labelled as incapable of being truly attracted to their 40 year old wife because supposedly he prefers 20 year olds for life…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/23 06:49 PM
2	Do you think status has a big affect on attraction? Well - I personally don’t see it as being attracted to the superficial “status” but rather what it is that has given a man that “status”. Charm, creativity, passion, intelligence, diligence, altruism, attitude, perspective…these are what might be the driving force behind a man having “status” and those are what actually makes him attractive to me potentially. There are certainly women who don’t care about the reasons and are into the effects which they can use to increase their own social status…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/23 06:57 AM
6	Why is the 80/20 rule offensive? I don’t understand why the guys here always disregard how varied women’s celebrity crushes are. The 80/20 rule is all about appearance - at least, the study it’s based on was all about appearance - yet when we can clearly show that many women’s crushes (even from the same woman) vary in their looks a lot, we are told “it doesn’t count - those men are high status and rich”. They are contradicting themselves because many will say that looks are virtually everything to women - but then say that sta…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/23 06:39 AM
11	Why is the 80/20 rule offensive? It’s offensive to not be believed and instead assumed to be a leech who is pretending to love and be attracted to your partner in order to use him for resources or social clout. How is that not an offensive assessment of someone’s character? And if you believe the 80/20 rule, you are basically saying that most women who are not with a man who is in this mythical top 20% are liars and leeches…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/23 06:26 AM
2	Modern men offer nothing to relationships The standards for men’s body hair are far more variable and less strict. I’ve only seen widespread dislike from women for lots of back hair or totally uncontrolled pubic hair. Men aren’t almost universally condemned as disgusting for having just normal body hair on their legs, chest, arms and pubic area - women often are. We see men in the media with all types of body hair levels and seldom does anyone really care that much, even if they might have a preference for shaved vs hairy - yet a Hollyw…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/23 05:40 PM
1	Women hate being treated as a resource that is handed out for good behavior. Because women have to mitigate more risks when it comes to sex. It is what it is.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/23 07:48 AM
3	Modern men offer nothing to relationships You are following a cultural trend by saying body hair is gross on women. It’s entirely natural and has nothing to do with hygiene - it’s down to aesthetic and perhaps sensory preference. Most women will let their hair go a bit much at some point in a relationship - if that’s genuinely disgusting to a man, then that’s a problem. Shaming women for a natural state is pretty awful - and a great example of the beauty standards women are expected to adhere to or else they can be called unhygienic and…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/23 07:07 AM
–	Current Obesity statistics USA and Worldwide You’re twisting my words. I said that men who travel to Asia specifically to find thin women are equivalent to gold diggers. I never said men simply having a preference for thin women are equivalent to gold diggers. Being a “passport bro” means deliberately moving to another country and setting yourself up there with the main goal of finding women to sleep with and/or marry. A man who just moved to Asia for his job and then incidentally met and married a local woman is not a “passport bro”. Gold…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/23 12:16 AM
–	Current Obesity statistics USA and Worldwide What weight are we talking here? Are you thinking about genuinely fat women, or just slightly heavier women? Having a BMI just into the overweight range is arguably not “unhealthy” by any real world definition. There is a large spectrum of healthy weight and how it looks on women - yet men tend to favour a specific body type and size when they talk about slim and attractive women - especially if they’re into Asian women (who tend to have smaller frames than women from most other races and need a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/23 07:06 PM
6	Current Obesity statistics USA and Worldwide Come on - we all know it’s not about health. There are things that one could argue make a wealthier man a better partner than a lower income man and it makes sense women value that. But most of us know that genuine gold diggers are usually just wanting a man to bankroll their luxurious lifestyles and they don’t care about his true self so much. Most passport bros dgaf about a woman’s health - they care about her being young, inexperienced and pretty - and being impressed by him in ways women fro…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/23 11:42 PM
6	Do you agree that male sexual desire often gives women a significant amount of power and control over men? Not all women feel comfortable using that sort of “power” over men - and not all men respond positively to it. It is a double-edged sword. Having that sort of “value” (in quotes because it’s debatable how much you are truly valued when you are looked at as an object of lust) to men can be an advantage - but also results in many unwanted behaviours towards women and stereotypes about us. It can be dangerous for women to be seen as using their sexuality to control men or garner favours or money - …	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/23 10:08 PM
5	Current Obesity statistics USA and Worldwide Women don’t really care about this - the general sentiment is those men are better off and so are the women who don’t have to deal with them, especially if they are the types to openly voice how ugly and awful women in their own country are. Men who go to those lengths simply to have a bigger dating pool of thin (and more traditionally feminine) women are the male equivalent of gold diggers who mold their whole life around locking down a rich guy. Most people don’t have a lot of respect for them…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/23 09:10 PM
1	Do you think the lonely men online actually just want sex? That’s true sadly.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/23 06:04 PM
2	What are your thoughts on MrBeast ? Does he show that ordinary men can greatly increase their attractiveness? Yes, I’m a woman. MrBeast is tall enough for the vast majority of women to find it impressive. He is universally “a tall man”. Facial hair looks good on some men - not on all. It looks fine on MrBeast. Most average men are flabbier than him these days - his body shape is pretty decent. I don’t think physical attraction is the be all and end all - especially for men. Even without social clout and money, he’d do ok with women. But he’d still need to have some charisma and confidence.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/23 03:24 AM
–	Question for Women : Would you accept that your Man has Sex with other women (you would be his only Girlfriend/Wife) if he would be MR Perfect? A. Even my biggest celeb crush (your guy is a bit vague for me to imagine - plus calling other women “dumb hoes” is a turn off) couldn’t make me accept this. You know why? I know I wouldn’t respect him or myself if I did. I couldn’t help but feel marginalised, insecure and not good enough for him - I wouldn’t feel truly loved. If I’m supposedly his one and only - and I presumably make him happy and we have great sex, etc, why is he “banging dumb hoes”? I also can’t imagine falling in love with s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/23 03:13 AM
3	What are your thoughts on MrBeast ? Does he show that ordinary men can greatly increase their attractiveness? I have literally never heard of MrBeast but I just watched one his videos on YouTube. Some observations: he’s tall, isn’t fat or skinny, his face is fine (nothing remarkable either way), he’s confident, clearly has ambition, charisma and a work ethic - add to that he’s financially successful, has social clout and connections, gives to charity…So what is so surprising about a man like that being attractive to attractive women?	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/23 02:37 AM
7	Do you think the lonely men online actually just want sex? How many women are genuinely saying they hate men, hate sex and want an asexual world? That’s a rare viewpoint for sure. I have seen more than a few male commenters here saying that sex is all women bring to the table for men. That women are boring to talk to, emotionally and financially demanding, incapable of genuinely loving a man or feeling empathy for men…in short, that women are not good companions or friends, so sex is really all they want from women. Now, I think men like that should vis…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/23 03:53 AM
9	Do you think the lonely men online actually just want sex? I mean - if a guy put/saw it that way, sure, that’s bad. In my view, the true equivalent to what most women are doing when they want to take it slower than they did in the past would be a man regretting that he spent money on an ex who was ungrateful and gold-digging and just not worth it and now he wants to avoid making that mistake again and not be lavish with a new girl up front. The first reason is shallow and unfair (my ex was hotter - therefore they got more from me because they were worth…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/23 02:31 AM
4	Should a man be required to support an ex-wife for the rest of his life? It’s completely unfair and bizarre that this is a thing in a modern society. I can only see it being “fair” in very specific circumstances (spousal abuse that prevented the dependent from working and has emotionally scarred them for life or something - I actually know a woman in the UK this happened to, but her alimony is still extremely conditional and not lifelong). If any alimony is to be paid, it should only be until the dependent party gets on their own feet financially - and that should ha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/07/23 12:36 AM
7	Should a man be required to support an ex-wife for the rest of his life? In my country, the few people who get granted alimony, only get it for a certain time period while they work towards financially supporting themselves (retraining or getting back into the work force) and they have to meet certain conditions to be entitled to it at all. The vast majority are not entitled to it and it is never life-long. I think that’s fair.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/07/23 12:27 AM
14	The RP obsession with older women's looks is anti-traditional and shallow Unfortunately my anecdotal experiences back this up. My dad and his friends (in their 70s) always comment on how women look as if it is the number 1 most important thing. If they don’t look as good as they think they should for their age and status in life, those women are criticised and it’s said to “be a shame” if a woman has gained a bit of weight (not talking obesity - even just the natural thickening of the waist or sagging of breasts with age and babies is bemoaned). There is definitely a …	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/23 06:47 AM
1	Do women confuse their socioeconomic status with their SMV? Ok - specifically talking about being high value to men and not high value in general? It surprises me that many women think their salaries will literally make them more romantically appealing to men - but there are a lot of delusional people out there…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/07/23 09:59 AM
6	Do women confuse their socioeconomic status with their SMV? Where do women say/indicate that they believe their salary makes them more attractive to men? Almost all the women I know and observe understand that how they look and perhaps how appealing their personality traits and interests are (a lot of men like women who are good company) matters most - not that men will find them more attractive because of their job/education level. I’ve just never seen or heard women genuinely believe they will be more sexually appealing to men because of their salary…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/07/23 02:22 AM
1	Are socioeconomic standards part of the reason why older women get pissed at age gap relationships? Yes - I agree. I kind of made a hasty reply because I hadn’t seen that point made before, but I should have added exactly what you said. It’s a concern that a man may be like this - the same way you may have a concern a woman is only after a man’s money if she exhibits certain behaviours - that they’re only in it for something shallow and don’t actually care about the person. I believe most men and women are not that shallow, but there are plenty who are and there are signs that just make you lo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/23 05:02 PM
2	Are socioeconomic standards part of the reason why older women get pissed at age gap relationships? Your last point is a good one - and not one I’ve read from anyone here before. Men having - and demonstrating - such a strong preference for youth in women makes it seem like he’s inevitably going to lose attraction simply because you age. It seems shallow and transactional and not about the love and soulmate angle we are usually told drives romance.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/23 09:20 AM
12	Men who envy women dont appreciate what they have Yes. A LOT of women are told that very bad pain is normal and unless you are having issues with fertility or severe anemia, feeling so terrible is just how it is for many. I do know women who have mild period pain, but most will describe it as painful enough that it does interfere with their day to day activities, they just soldier on. I don’t think most women have disabling levels of pain, but certainly most have it bad enough that they want to ideally lay low for a couple of days and need to t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/23 05:15 AM
11	Do older woman really think older men date younger woman cause they are easier? Sometimes that’s true. And sometimes those older women realise they were naive and not treated right by the older man when they were young. And they don’t like to see other women fall into the same trap. They don’t pretend their past didn’t happen, they regret their lack of awareness that some of those men are not well-intentioned.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/23 03:44 PM
6	What is exactly emotional labour which women do? I can’t know overall. I just “know” from myself and my observations within my family and also what other people tell me…I’m not claiming it’s the absolute truth - it’s just anecdotal. But there are studies showing that women seem to be better listeners, which would lend some credence to my experience/testimony. Again though, it’s not set in stone, studies can be misleading. I assume you haven’t had romantic relationships with men, just as I haven’t with women - so we only truly know one side of …	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/23 08:12 AM
3	What is exactly emotional labour which women do? Interesting, can’t argue if your experience differs from mine.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/23 07:59 AM
7	What is exactly emotional labour which women do? No of course being stoic and confident doesn’t magically appear. It’s a gender expectation that is clearly taken for granted - hence men not being accepted and supported when expressing “weak” emotions. I’m not saying men are 100% appreciated and women are not - I was simply expanding on the ways women’s work and roles might seem vague and how men’s, in general, are viewed as more concrete. I’m not an absolutist. There are studies about women being better listeners than men and it has certainly …	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/23 07:45 AM
26	What is exactly emotional labour which women do? A lot of things that women traditionally do are somewhat vague (and arbitrary - depending on what you value most). Being an active listener, being attentive and anticipating needs, being sensitive to the feelings of others, organising a family’s social and familial connections, prioritising comfort and comforting/pleasing aesthetics, being especially nurturing and prioritising others needs. These are all things I particularly associate with women (but obviously not all women - and many men are l…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/23 01:36 AM
8	What is wrong with "free sex"? I love how men say abortion is a simple solution. No it’s not. Not in the least. Even if it’s readily available where you live - even if it’s free - it’s not simple.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/06/23 08:14 AM
10	CMV : Men assume a woman to be attractive, and are more forgiving of negative traits. Women assume men to be unattractive and try and find the cracks between all the positive traits I genuinely didn’t realise men were “told” women are superior and better and are always fair and never shallow. I actually feel like I was “told” men are superior and more responsible and logical people and women need them more than the other way round… Do you think it’s possible that men want to see women as these semi-Angelic beings because their attraction gives them rose-tinted glasses? They want to believe the girl they find so pretty and want to give the world to at first sight is worthy o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/06/23 07:48 AM
8	What exactly is a traumatized woman? How about women who were verifiably raped or abused? Can you explain the quotation marks? Women who haven’t been married by age 30 are traumatised? How does that make sense? How about women who are divorced at 30? I feel like you should actually just define what a non “traumatised” woman is?	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/06/23 03:03 AM
3	What exactly is a traumatized woman? It entirely depends on the man and what his positive traits are. It is wonderful to help heal someone you care about. As long as I’m not being abused and I feel he’s worth the occasional rockiness, his past trauma is not an obstacle or something I’m “paying” for.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/06/23 02:59 AM
9	What exactly is a traumatized woman? You sound like a good person. Hope you find a woman who is worthy and appreciates you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/06/23 02:53 AM
3	Describe the "modern man" It always has been defined that way in patriarchal cultures, it seems to me. I know growing up I felt like in order to be considered a strong, interesting and independent person I should have more masculine traits - being feminine always seemed to be looked down on and portrayed as boring, weak and inconsequential. Just look at many RP stereotypes and sayings about women…They see women as inferior, no doubt about it. They don’t count kindness or compassion or any of those “feminine” things - the…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/06/23 02:29 AM
1	Theories on why so many guys here insist not to factor in personality in the topic of dating. I could say the same to you…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/06/23 09:16 PM
5	CMV : Women underestimate the sheer effort and time towards looking like a big muscular gym bro, which is why they say they don’t like gym/muscular guys I agree! I’m not saying people shouldn’t get some exercise and pay some attention to their diet. More that in order to get the really desirable physiques for men and women is above and beyond that for most people. To have a hot “gym bod” is a lifestyle not everyone wants to follow. But, yeah, we need to encourage people to be less sedentary and to cook their own meals more often. There’s a big difference between being a little soft and being obese.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/06/23 07:40 PM
8	CMV : Women underestimate the sheer effort and time towards looking like a big muscular gym bro, which is why they say they don’t like gym/muscular guys Not everyone wants that lifestyle. The world would be a boring place if we all prioritised the same things. But sure, everyone could workout for an hour or so most days, plan their meals and make it a priority to have a very fit and lean physique. But you could say the same thing about virtually anything - you could learn a language, learn to code, volunteer and make a difference in your community, etc, etc. Not everyone thinks it’s that important to be at their peak physical condition. I know p…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/06/23 07:30 PM
1	Theories on why so many guys here insist not to factor in personality in the topic of dating. Yes people care - not everyone cares, but many do. I don’t see how you can separate some of those traits from personality. But perhaps you define personality differently to me. Masculinity has lots of manifestations - it isn’t purely about aggression or dominance or height…Just like most things, there’s a combination of nature and nurture and also the values of the culture you’re in.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/06/23 07:18 PM
1	Theories on why so many guys here insist not to factor in personality in the topic of dating. There is also a study showing that men too rated women with higher Dark Triad traits as more attractive - suggesting that perhaps people with those traits are better at making themselves attractive overall…There are studies correlating many things with attractiveness, but as everyone likes to say “correlation does not imply causation”. Some women are definitely into criminal men and bad men (and more women than men certainly have a paraphiliac interest in criminals - known as hybristophilia), bu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/06/23 09:48 AM
1	Theories on why so many guys here insist not to factor in personality in the topic of dating. How do you know that?	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/06/23 08:37 AM
1	Theories on why so many guys here insist not to factor in personality in the topic of dating. All those things can be part of personality and how it manifests. You can have a masculine social status that is connected to your morals and kindness. Same with competence, extroversion and dominance - they are not necessarily separate from being a good person and demonstrating that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/06/23 08:32 AM
1	Theories on why so many guys here insist not to factor in personality in the topic of dating. Are you seriously saying that murderers and rapists have an easier time with women than men who are not murderers and rapists?	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/06/23 08:27 AM
3	Men are showing emotional maturity and skill by leaving friendships with women after expressing unrequited sexual interest No one said you should be.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/06/23 01:00 AM
6	Men are showing emotional maturity and skill by leaving friendships with women after expressing unrequited sexual interest If you don’t value what a friend brings to the table, then, yeah, don’t be friends with them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/06/23 08:39 PM
8	Men are showing emotional maturity and skill by leaving friendships with women after expressing unrequited sexual interest It’s all about intentions. If you genuinely made friends with no view to sex but feelings of romantic love (because, basically, being true friends + lust = romantic love) develop that are unrequited, I get it being too painful and awkward to continue the friendship. It has fundamentally changed for you both once those feelings are known and not reciprocated. But the way you phrase it as being “I’m not getting what I want” is a bit suspect. You just unilaterally made sex the highest value in this…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/06/23 06:39 PM
7	Men are showing emotional maturity and skill by leaving friendships with women after expressing unrequited sexual interest I see women help their friends all the time (and, sure, I’ve seen women use men too. I’ve seen men use women as well…). If you have female “friends” that just use you and are never giving anything back or are not there when you need them - then yeah, they’re not friends and you should ghost them like they deserve. It’s not okay to use people - men shouldn’t put up with that treatment from women. The fact that many do, going by these sorts of stereotypes, is sad. The women who do it need to grow …	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/06/23 06:02 PM
4	Female women, would you forgive if your significant other cheated on you? I can’t imagine the relationship ever being the same again after a betrayal like that. That’s the problem - the lying and going behind my back, not so much the physical act of sex with someone else. If he was so dissatisfied or so tempted he should talk to me, tell me he’s at his wits end and can’t resist the temptation to have sex with someone else - that would hurt, but it’s something I can try to help with or rectify if I’m pushing him away. And if we can’t rectify it, then we go our separate…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/06/23 04:10 AM
–	When women say that older men are repulsive, what do they mean? There is a lot that has gotten out of whack. Men like you - and women also - need to speak up when men are marginalised for their problems or women are pardoned unfairly for bad behaviour. Ultimately, you are right - everyone is an individual. Some men are asexual and some women are promiscuous, etc, etc. Generally speaking though, I think males and females (using biological sex and not gender purposefully here) are “equal but not symmetrical” - our hormones play a role in our behaviour and char…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/06/23 12:06 AM
2	Men and Women define casual sex differently, leading to total misunderstanding of each other I, personally, think a “relationship” is a monogamous romantic connection between two people. Yes, some people have open relationships or poly ones - but they’re rare. Typically a relationship is seeing the same person frequently for an extended period of time and not seeing anyone else at the same time. But I’m old and old fashioned. Dating to me may mean something very different than it does to your average 21 year old. This all could just be semantics. Dating to me implies “courtship” with a …	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/06/23 11:48 PM
–	When women say that older men are repulsive, what do they mean? That men want it more than women. That men are more horny and feel more lucky to have had sex than women. That society high fives men for their “sexual conquests” and will often see a young man having sex with an older woman as a positive thing, not a negative. The reverse is true for women. Women are often seen as morally better when they’re virginal, damaged by the amount of men they’ve had sex with and as sexually passive and therefore more often victims of men’s sexual aggression. A lot of i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/06/23 09:18 PM
1	Men and Women define casual sex differently, leading to total misunderstanding of each other Dating is a very well-known prelude to finding a relationship. Humans have been courting and dating since forever with a view to partnering off, not just sex. Hence, the default implication when dating, is not casual sex. If a guy approaches me in a store and asks me for coffee I don’t think he wants a hookup - I think he’s interested in getting to know me and perhaps a relationship developing. A hookup is more through the apps or at a party or something (not that it’s ever been of interest to m…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/06/23 09:05 PM
1	Men and Women define casual sex differently, leading to total misunderstanding of each other This has always struck me (a woman) as bizarre. Oral sex is very intimate and is definitely sex. Is the logic: as long as it can’t get you pregnant it doesn’t count as sex?	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/06/23 08:30 PM
0	Men and Women define casual sex differently, leading to total misunderstanding of each other Yep.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/06/23 08:23 PM
4	Men and Women define casual sex differently, leading to total misunderstanding of each other Casual sex is not the default - it’s the non-normal - so it should be discussed initially if you’re not actually dating when you approach women and are instead looking for hookups.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/06/23 08:21 PM
–	When women say that older men are repulsive, what do they mean? It’s not hypocritical when you consider the very different attitudes (generally speaking) towards sex between men and women - and how society views it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/06/23 08:02 PM
–	When women say that older men are repulsive, what do they mean? When women say older men are repulsive they are usually talking about men in their 30s and up trying to get with women under 21. Not just casually conversing with younger women. Or men in their 40s and 50s exclusively dating/looking to date women young enough to be their daughters. When you’re 20 and a guy who could be your dad or uncle is leering at you and your friends they seem like pervy old men. Most women experienced this from puberty from several older men (not uncommonly actual uncles or…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/06/23 07:58 PM
0	Even if Female Nature is true, there's no benefit being mad at it and we must accept it for what it is Well this is true - and it shows that women don’t just want to be dominated. That is one fantasy, but not the only one - and it will matter more to some women than to others. The idea that it’s “female nature” to want to be dominated “utterly and completely” by a man is a big exaggeration. And 50 Shades is not a good example of what that would look like anyway.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/06/23 11:23 PM
1	Even if Female Nature is true, there's no benefit being mad at it and we must accept it for what it is Not really. At it’s core, it’s a plain rom-com where a handsome “prince” woos an impressionable young woman. The BDSM part is very light and is literally only in the bedroom - he is not dominating her at all times. And she actually ends up “taming” and changing him a lot and healing his trauma - to where he’s really more wrapped around her little finger than she is around his in the end. It’s hardly a story of a woman being totally dominated mind, body and soul by a man.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/06/23 08:24 PM
1	Even if Female Nature is true, there's no benefit being mad at it and we must accept it for what it is 50 Shades is not a good example of a man dominating a woman.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/06/23 06:57 PM
1	Most boys and girls were mostly raised by women who conditioned them to worship women. That is what I would have thought…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/06/23 08:21 AM
7	Even if Female Nature is true, there's no benefit being mad at it and we must accept it for what it is Women want to be dominated utterly and completely by a man? Can you describe what this looks like, because my gut reaction is that sounds horrible - but perhaps you have a different definition of what that is like day to day than I do?	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/06/23 05:45 AM
14	Question for women: Would you submit to a rich man? I wouldn’t allow anyone to humiliate and disrespect me and treat me like I’m inferior - even if he was extraordinarily wealthy, handsome and high status. I am kind of obedient by nature - this doesn’t mean I tolerate being scolded like a naughty child or treated like a slave. If someone disrespects my good will and efforts to please, they won’t be benefitting from them for long. Your uncle sounds like an ungrateful, infantile, sadistic bully. Not someone deserving of respect. Don’t kid yourself …	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/06/23 04:39 AM
1	Men are more superficial about weight than women I totally agree that fat men (like the one in your photo) can be strong and useful at work. And also they can be attractive. But I think the same goes for fat women and you haven’t really explained why you believe that isn’t so?	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/23 06:40 AM
4	Men are more superficial about weight than women What does that mean?	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/23 05:25 AM
1	Men are more superficial about weight than women Oh - you’re talking fit, muscular but also fat guys, not flabby fat guys? My bad. Yeah - guys who are fit and large framed but also have a bit of a gut can definitely be attractive (and useful, for what that’s worth). But I think you’re reaching to say your average fat guy has advantages over a healthy weight guy in the eyes of women…I wasn’t aware we were comparing fat and skinny, I thought it was more fat vs healthy bmi weight range. A fat girl might actually carry it in the “right” places ove…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/23 05:24 AM
2	Men are more superficial about weight than women Yes they do. You must be seriously biased to not notice all the nasty language men have to describe fat women, that women seldom use themselves.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/23 05:05 AM
7	Men are more superficial about weight than women There are many articles supporting the notion that weight loss is harder for women - and that it’s easier for women to gain weight too.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/23 05:02 AM
8	Men are more superficial about weight than women What good is a fat woman? What does this even mean - that fat men are useful, but fat women are not? Unless we’re talking extreme morbid obesity, most fat men and women are “useful”. Or is this in the misogynistic sense that women are only really useful to men if they are physically attractive? What kind of viewpoint is that? Fat women still work, last I checked. And fat women still have babies too - which is a “use” surely?	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/23 05:00 AM
-1	Women largely objectify themselves for validation and profit and pretend it's empowering. I’m not saying all prostitutes through the years and in all cultures were indentured, trafficked or lacked autonomy - but that was very common, from what I’ve read. And it still is common, unfortunately. I just don’t think it’s true to say that women have always had the same sexual freedom as they do now.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/23 01:46 AM
4	Women largely objectify themselves for validation and profit and pretend it's empowering. Do you realise a lot of prostitutes, even today but especially historically, have pimps that take all their money? Watch “Soft White Underbelly” on YouTube and his interviews with pimps and street walking prostitutes. A lot of those women are beaten, raped, turned onto drugs and treated like slaves to make money for a pimp. Prostitution has always been a profitable business for the brothel owners and pimps - not so much for the prostitutes themselves. It’s like being an indentured worker - you a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/23 12:26 AM
8	What are the exact qualities that passport bros believe southeastern Asian (and elsewhere) women have that western women don't? Vasectomy ≠ castration. That woman is clearly specifically calling out the idea that women should be barred from getting abortions no matter the circumstances. It’s answering one extreme view (that all women should be forced to give birth if they get pregnant, no matter how it came about) with another (that all men should be prevented from impregnating women by having a vasectomy). It’s clearly hyperbole. And no one is saying all men should be castrated.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/23 12:03 AM
1	Do you think stay at home parents should earn a salary? Best answer.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/06/23 09:50 PM
1	Men and women are disgusted by each other's sexuality on a base level Yeah you might be right. I think perhaps male sex workers would probably get mostly very ugly or old or obese women as clients. Perhaps also women who have strong social anxiety. These women likely can’t get a man they find attractive as a FWB or hookup. I know male sex workers (for women) already exist, but in small numbers.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/06/23 08:03 PM
1	Men and women are disgusted by each other's sexuality on a base level Well, I guess it would be like through reviews/testimonials like female escorts have? And if it was a legalised service with standards and rules, etc, I suppose a male sex worker who wasn’t good at his job wouldn’t continue for long. Idk. I don’t imagine it’s ever going to become a widespread behaviour in women to see male sex workers, but I can see that for the minority of women that just want a good sexual experience with no strings, it has it’s advantages over picking up a random guy in a bar…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/06/23 07:08 PM
1	Men and women are disgusted by each other's sexuality on a base level I think it would be interesting to see how women thought about it if it was more available. A movie like “Good Luck to You, Leo Grande” is an example of how women might view a male sex worker and the advantages it has to see one. A woman may be able to go on an app or to her local bar and find a man who is dtf immediately, but clearly there are risks and downsides involved that wouldn’t be there with a “professional”. A male sex worker would presumably make it a point to give a woman a good expe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/06/23 04:40 AM
3	CMV: I think women on these subreddit are more likely to get men to have negative perception of women than redpill community That’s very kind. I wish you well too u/NoTea4448	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/23 05:54 PM
5	CMV: I think women on these subreddit are more likely to get men to have negative perception of women than redpill community I agree.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/23 07:15 AM
13	CMV: I think women on these subreddit are more likely to get men to have negative perception of women than redpill community Yeah, it’s not ok - but it’s also not something you can completely avoid. And as I believe in freedom of speech, I don’t want to see voices I disagree with disappear - I just wish they would think it through more and endeavour to express their thoughts with more consideration. Empathy is sadly lacking in so many people. And they should be called out more if they are truly being sexist and hateful, of course. Ultimately though, you have to try to remove yourself from proximity to people that trul…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/23 07:00 AM
68	CMV: I think women on these subreddit are more likely to get men to have negative perception of women than redpill community I can sympathise. When I first stumbled upon this subreddit and the wider “manosphere” I was deeply troubled and hurt by what a lot of men said about women. I honestly thought that kind of sexism was not as common and the way some men talked about women was/is so deeply scornful and like they think women are an inferior species. I’ve had some good interactions with the men here, but I’ve had far more that have left me feeling like men are pretty terrible if they all think like that (and some men…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/23 05:35 AM
2	Phrases like, "A real man..." or "Yes, but the right man..." It seems spiteful to call things someone you love cares about “goofy shit” and say it has nothing to do with loving them. I’m not going to feel very loved by a man not caring about and belittling what matters to me. Malevolent might be too strong of a word - but it’s definitely hurtful.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/23 12:56 AM
1	Phrases like, "A real man..." or "Yes, but the right man..." Most men who love a woman do care about those things to some degree. No one is suggesting a man is necessarily deeply interested or invested in what his woman does or what her skills are - but to say they “don’t give a shit” and then be dismissive and nasty about what matters to someone you supposedly love is some malevolent thinking.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/23 12:35 AM
3	Women over value how much their career and education is attractive to men I don’t think women are typically under the illusion that their careers make them more attractive? Women want it to matter more because women want their personalities and achievements to matter at least as much as something more transient like their age and looks. And to many men looking for a life partner, it does matter what she does for work and what her achievements are - because they are consequential if you’re going to share your life, and particularly if you’re going to raise children, wi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/06/23 07:25 PM
-1	CMV: Men here don't understand that the age gap discourse is not mainly about the age gap itself, it is about men fetishizing women fresh out of high school I disagree.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/06/23 10:22 AM
–	If women leaving jobless men is okay because no money, men leaving sick wives is ok because no sex. Either both are ok, or neither are ok That makes no sense	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/06/23 12:51 AM
–	If women leaving jobless men is okay because no money, men leaving sick wives is ok because no sex. Either both are ok, or neither are ok What about the majority of men who are not aggressive, “Alpha”, lone wolf types who also need a civilised society? Saying civilised society is a “favour” for women is fundamentally illogical. It really amuses me how men like you seem to think it’s a valid threat to hold over women - that men are only civilised as a sacrifice of their true brutish nature to appease pussy. What a sad indictment of men if that’s what you think. And that women alone should be grateful for this - do you think most me…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/23 11:45 PM
1	Men on this sub greatly exaggerate women's hypergamy. Being single and childless at 30 or over is not a big concern. 50% of women at 40-45 would be a more concerning stat.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/23 01:43 AM
1	Men on this sub greatly exaggerate women's hypergamy. Yep.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/23 01:41 AM
6	Q4M - How many average women have you had serious crushes on? Thanks for calling attention to this. It frustrates me no end to see the hypocrisy among many guys here who say average guys are invisible and will never be viscerally desired by women, but then they feel the exact way about average women. They want hot women, but they will settle for plain Janes because they still want to get laid and have sexual validation and romance - but women seemingly settling for their own reasons is the worst thing imaginable. I’ve also heard men here say that men “sett…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/23 09:28 PM
1	Men can't determine whether a woman is " post wall" or even overweight/obese While I may not completely agree with your politics (though I’m not American and consider myself a centrist mostly) I understand what you’re saying. I sympathise with the anger at the contrast between being a dedicated and very hard worker and being a criminal or chronic moocher off the welfare system. It’s a kick in the teeth to see people scamming the system or living happily while contributing next to nothing. I think this is caused by many social and systemic failures - which are very hard t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/23 05:34 AM
4	Men can't determine whether a woman is " post wall" or even overweight/obese I do see that in young men - the tendency to knock others down who they don’t believe should be feeling confident about themselves. In my country, we call over-confident or show-off type people “tall Poppies’ (like they’re trying to overshadow others) and we often want to take those people down a peg or two. I think sometimes though it is hard to discern whether someone is truly being over confident or simply has a healthy self esteem and confidence. Too often I’ve seen people get knocked down w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/23 11:16 PM
16	Men can't determine whether a woman is " post wall" or even overweight/obese I’m a woman (and a “plus size” one at that). Yumi Nu is definitely overweight - just google her photos, it’s not mysterious. We can be honest about people being fat without being mean about it. I wouldn’t trust the weight stats online - they could be from when she started out and was considered perhaps too “big” for “straight size” modeling and not big enough for plus size. It’s a toxic industry and there are several plus sized models who have said they deliberately gained weight to get into plu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/23 09:10 PM
1	Q4W : Why would you be attracted to a physically unattractive man? Firstly, I wouldn’t find a man physically attractive if he was physically unattractive to me. But, luckily, we all have slightly different ideas of what attractive looks like and a man I might find attractive, might be considered unattractive by others. Hence some women will say “I’m not really into traditionally attractive men” - meaning they perhaps don’t find the classic clean cut White man handsome type (Henry Cavill, vintage George Clooney, etc) that appealing. It doesn’t mean they like men…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/05/23 07:21 PM
1	Women love one night stands as much as men do Well that’s given me lots of in depth reading! Thanks very much.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/05/23 09:16 AM
3	Women love one night stands as much as men do I wouldn’t say we’re slaves to our biology necessarily, but it is greatly influential. I think women are often wary of theories of biological determinism because it has been - and can be - used to make out like women are weaker both mentally and physically and should therefore be subject to the more “strong and stoic” male. Obviously a lot of men don’t see it that way, but I can understand why it gets some women’s backs up to suggest they go into a kind of mini “heat” and are not fully in ration…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/23 11:22 PM
2	Women love one night stands as much as men do Interesting observations. There is actually research into women smelling different during ovulation - and exhibiting different behaviour. I’m not sure why I got downvoted for asking you your opinion, lol.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/23 10:43 PM
-2	Women love one night stands as much as men do This is really fascinating. Do you find that you can “smell” when women are ovulating too? Does birth control affect all this? It’s an interesting topic to me - how birth control affects women’s sexuality.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/23 08:04 PM
4	Women are valued for what they are, Men are valued for what they provide Yep.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/23 01:13 AM
10	Women are valued for what they are, Men are valued for what they provide That doesn’t make sense. They still believed a boy had more value than a girl - else they would have had girls instead. Being seen as having more potential is being seen as valuable, is it not?	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/23 01:11 AM
3	It is not unfair that more should be expected of Men. Yes, still exaggerating. Women do not “require” men to have ultra-muscular and lean gym bodies or high paying jobs that require long hours. You can find evidence of women liking those bodies or the whole “6in 6ft 6 figures” thing - but you’ll also find plenty of evidence of women not liking or requiring those things. I could look at what some men say online and what many men tend to idealise with women’s looks in porn, celebs and gaming and say that men “require” women to have hourglass figures …	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/23 01:09 AM
3	It is not unfair that more should be expected of Men. You’re exaggerating majorly here.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/05/23 09:42 PM
23	CMV: The most obvious reason why modern dating is broken is because women have too many options because of the internet. I think this is pretty much spot on. Men now are experiencing what women have always experienced - being judged by beauty standards and appearance. And it creates a lot of anxiety because it leaves you few options - unlike being held to standards of resourcefulness, strength of will, charm, etc as men used to be. When it’s all about looks and that first flush of visceral attraction, you have a lot of competition and few avenues to really stand out unless you were born blessed with good looks and…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/05/23 07:32 PM
5	I don’t think men on here have a single clue about how women interpret attention from the opposite sex Can you give an example of how a woman can be special? Is it just being particularly beautiful or is there some behaviour, achievement or personality trait that you think would make a woman “more than fuck meat”?	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/05/23 06:21 PM
5	I don’t think men on here have a single clue about how women interpret attention from the opposite sex Men absolutely do care. This is why sexual validation is so important to men’s self esteem and self worth. A woman choosing you to have sex with automatically singles you out as special - because women are not as indiscriminate as men when it comes to picking a sexual partner. If she picked you, you’re special compared to the other guys around. From a lizard brain standpoint, a woman picking you for sex means you have a chance to pass on your genes - that’s special. If a man picks a woman, he mi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/05/23 06:19 PM
-2	Study show that straight women are disproportionaly more likely to search porn with violence against women and where they are being raped abused and endure physical violence, than straight men do. You are disappointing. I responded to your comment because we had a good open conversation once before. But you seem to be very extreme and stuck in your ways. I had the energy last time to try to read between your confrontational and acerbic words to get to a place where we could find some mutual understanding and empathy. But I don’t have the energy this time. I’m not team “believe all women” but I’m certainly not team “never believe women” - which perhaps you’ve decided works best for you. I …	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/05/23 11:53 PM
6	Study show that straight women are disproportionaly more likely to search porn with violence against women and where they are being raped abused and endure physical violence, than straight men do. Do you have stats or some evidence that violent porn has basically only existed since women started (in relatively small numbers compared to men) watching porn on Tube sites? I absolutely acknowledge that women seem to be largely into BDSM type porn - but I find it hard to believe it is 100% driven by women. I agree though that it’s wrong of feminists to blame it all on men and deny that many women are into rough sex and porn. I can understand women being outraged (and some radical feminists pig…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/05/23 11:40 PM
3	Study show that straight women are disproportionaly more likely to search porn with violence against women and where they are being raped abused and endure physical violence, than straight men do. Men not believing women about anything because of some very human inconsistencies and lack of transparency of deep desires and feelings (that are associated with genuine violence and shame) is a massive problem. It’s like men can’t grasp that it’s natural to be a bit inconsistent and unaware of your subconscious, private desires vs your conscious, “public” ones. Especially when they get correlated to something as deeply abhorrent and terrifying as rape and too many men seem to start wondering: “…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/05/23 07:07 PM
4	Study show that straight women are disproportionaly more likely to search porn with violence against women and where they are being raped abused and endure physical violence, than straight men do. There is a big difference between your own imagination and strong visual representations of violence that are forced on you if you’re watching tv, movies or games. A lot of women prefer written erotica over visual porn - I guess women like to imagine things over unalterable visuals from someone else’s desires?	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/05/23 06:47 PM
10	Study show that straight women are disproportionaly more likely to search porn with violence against women and where they are being raped abused and endure physical violence, than straight men do. I highly doubt women, who are still quite a small proportion of porn consumers, are responsible for creating the market for violent porn. That wouldn’t make sense from a supply and demand standpoint. Clearly many women are feeding and expanding it now though.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/05/23 06:31 PM
3	Are women actually attracted to toxic men? This really is the crux of it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/05/23 06:06 PM
18	Isn't this red pill thinking? Girls will choose attractive jocks over quiet nerds, even if they are equally misogynistic. Exactly this. It’s not hard to work out why a woman would prefer an attractive jerk over an unattractive jerk if those were her choices…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/05/23 03:44 AM
–	What would happen if (X) gender disappeared? Of course it wasn’t the majority of women or as many as men - but it was a lot That’s the US - in Russia it was a lot more. We were talking about when women had to step into these roles for the war effort - not today. Today, I’d hardly call the female dominated jobs that you could say “men actively avoid” like caring for the sick and elderly clean or easy jobs. But sure, many jobs in infrastructure are largely done by men as are most of the jobs considered dirty or dangerous. Men are awesome and…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/05/23 09:11 AM
–	What would happen if (X) gender disappeared? Women took on the roles men had to leave to go and fight. They worked in factories, in transportation, on farms, as mechanics and pilots, etc. This continued after the war was over as many countries rebuilt without a large chunk of their young men who had been killed.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/05/23 08:44 AM
–	What would happen if (X) gender disappeared? It makes me really sad to read such opinions of women from men who are supposedly trying to think openly and deeply. You talk as if women are selfish, petty, lazy, inferior beings that would be lost in a dream world without the altruistic guidance of wise, hard working, forward thinking men. I feel like you’ve had a very biased education about the contributions and capabilities of women to society throughout history if that’s what your picture of women boils down to.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/05/23 08:33 AM
–	What would happen if (X) gender disappeared? Women did more than work in offices - you should educate yourself.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/05/23 08:23 AM
1	Why does it seem that blue collar and “average Joe” men have an easier time with female romantic partnership than money making STEM or forum guys? That’s not my intention. I wasn’t implying that STEM guys are more likely to be sexist - just that if they are, it seems they are more likely to go down the rabbit hole into more extreme sexist groups online and take it more seriously in their research (like “nerds” tend to do more than non-nerds about anything).	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/05/23 01:06 AM
1	Why does it seem that blue collar and “average Joe” men have an easier time with female romantic partnership than money making STEM or forum guys? Yes exactly. There is a major difference between just having a half-hearted (and sometimes sexist) moan about the opposite sex - and actually spending hours deeply thinking, researching and seeking out echo chambers to support your ideas that the opposite sex all have the same deeper nature that you dislike and distrust.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/05/23 11:34 PM
2	Why does it seem that blue collar and “average Joe” men have an easier time with female romantic partnership than money making STEM or forum guys? Yep. It’s the almost scientific/academic approach (that then becomes cult-like) that makes TRP and the like so skeevy to women. Guys shooting the shit, even if it’s kind of sexist, just seems light-hearted by comparison.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/05/23 05:10 AM
3	Why does it seem that blue collar and “average Joe” men have an easier time with female romantic partnership than money making STEM or forum guys? There’s always qualifiers where people with certain desirable attributes get away with things those without would not…Men are the same with women they find hot - they will tolerate shit from them that they wouldn’t from a less attractive woman. No one said it was fair.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/05/23 11:30 PM
7	Why does it seem that blue collar and “average Joe” men have an easier time with female romantic partnership than money making STEM or forum guys? I think it depends how that sexism manifests. In general, women don’t like men who seem to be philosophising and also plotting their sexism. Guys online will typically form groups where they complain to each other about how all women are the same, they form theories and strategies on how to manipulate women and they make up memes that are designed to hurt and humiliate women. Blue collar guys tend to express their sexism differently. They might have sexist notions on traditional gender roles and…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/05/23 07:50 PM
7	Question 4 Women with Pets, is a man not being an animal lover a dealbreaker? Yes, it’s a dealbreaker. Pets have always been an important part of my life. I work with animals also. There’s no man on earth that could convince me he is high value if he doesn’t like pets. You can’t “easily replace” a beloved pet. They’re individual beings, not devices. I disagree that “dark triad” men are irresistible to all women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/05/23 05:16 AM
1	Men being required to ask women out overvalues women Sounds like he’s masculine looking, takes good photos and lives in a non-US country where perhaps women are more likely to take some initiative. Probably Australia or New Zealand if he was big into rugby. Women like rugby players in this part of the world!	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/05/23 11:36 PM
7	CMV : “Looks don’t matter” is not a common theme in culture. It’s the opposite. Yeah. A lot of the “guy gets his dream girl” movies I saw growing up had very average or below average guys getting hot girls to fall for them by way of their altruistic and/or heroic deeds. The “girl gets her dream guy” movies generally seemed to entail a so-called “average” girl getting a makeover and becoming the hottest girl around and then the guy fell for her. The message to girls was almost invariably: “girls have to be hot to be loved” - while for guys it was more like “guys have to prov…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/05/23 11:28 PM
24	Most women aren't on dating apps. So how are they getting relationships or having sex? Nothing creepy about a guy initiating a conversation about some mutual activity you’re involved in. If I was walking alone in the park and some guy just came up to me, it might be creepy. If we are both walking our dogs, it’s not weird to stop and say hi to each other while the dogs do the same…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/05/23 07:48 PM
4	AI girlfriends will allow men to fully be themselves and thus will radically change their standards for women Most average looking women do not get 100+ men simping and offering companionship over one image with a bit of their butt or cleavage showing, do they? I’m older, maybe I’m just that out of touch… There’s no denying your average woman can easily find a man to sleep with if she makes it obvious she’s up for it - but I’d argue this does not make her feel less lonely or give her companionship. More opportunities perhaps - but more risks along with that also. Perhaps women are just ungrateful, but I…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/05/23 08:31 AM
8	AI girlfriends will allow men to fully be themselves and thus will radically change their standards for women Oh how cleverly condescending! If you read what I said, I totally agree that women have more options. But they don’t equate to women having “100+ men on call” to make them less lonely, as Spyro’s comment suggests. So I don’t see that I’m moving any goalposts.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/05/23 02:54 AM
9	AI girlfriends will allow men to fully be themselves and thus will radically change their standards for women Sex does not equal companionship and affection. Women certainly have an easier time accessing sex, which gives more opportunities to find affection and companionship, but also comes with risks that men don’t deal with. I’m not sure your average woman can just get 100 guys interested with a modicum of effort - but she can certainly get more than your average man can get women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/05/23 01:43 AM
6	AI girlfriends will allow men to fully be themselves and thus will radically change their standards for women Why do so many men here think that most women are that in demand? You are clearly not looking at the life of a totally average woman if you think most women have 100+ men on call to give them affection and companionship.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/05/23 12:32 AM
8	CMV The main reason why Dating today is f*cked for Men is not because of feminism/equality. 90% of the damage comes from Online Dating. Spot on.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/05/23 06:06 PM
4	CMV Eastern Europe Women care way less about looks then women in the west. Go to the Ladyboners sub to get an inkling of what attractive men look like. It varies quite a lot from woman to woman - but almost all women like a “masculine shape”, healthy body weight (with some caring more about muscles or height than others) - and with a handsome face. Not too different from what a baseline attractive woman ideally has for men - “feminine shape”, healthy body weight (with men having different preferences for the size and shape of certain body parts) and a pretty face.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/05/23 01:52 AM
–	What are some things you cant understand about the opposite gender? If anything is proof that looks don’t matter as much to women as they do to men, it’s this.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/05/23 07:57 AM
–	Women Cannot Detect a Red Pilled Man If He Knows What He's Doing Exactly.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/05/23 04:31 AM
8	Women Cannot Detect a Red Pilled Man If He Knows What He's Doing I don’t believe you can boil all men’s desires down to your list or that there is an equivalent for all women’s desires. It seems to me that human sexual attraction isn’t that simplistic and framing it that way does more harm than good. I don’t think it’s fair or accurate to say “women” lie to save face and “men” are open and prioritise things the same as you. But, if it works for you, go ahead. I really wish you didn’t need to be dishonest and manipulative about it though. And yes - of course m…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/05/23 12:28 AM
10	Women Cannot Detect a Red Pilled Man If He Knows What He's Doing So women having the sexuality they have is “refusing to give men the playbook”? It seems clear to me that women (on average) are simply not as horny and are more multi-faceted in what attracts them and it therefore seems like it’s being withheld or deliberately obfuscated. I think many women don’t know what they want in the opposite sex as clearly as men do (because men have an excellent benefit to risk ratio when it comes to sex with women - the opposite is true for women).	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/23 11:24 PM
17	Women Cannot Detect a Red Pilled Man If He Knows What He's Doing That is shameful behaviour if you manipulate your way around a woman’s vetting because you want something from her that you know she won’t give if she sees the real you. And the arrogance of believing you have “their playbook figured out” - I hope you meet a woman who surprises you, and not in a good way. Do you think most women have men’s playbook figured out? There’s a lot of manipulative women also that use up men and spit them out…And it’s wonderful when they meet a man that calls them out o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/23 10:17 PM
1	Do you care about morals when choosing a partner? Personally, yes, morals matter a lot. I go completely cold when I see someone be rude to others, be a bully or be unkind to animals. In a potential romantic partner, it’s a sure fire way to completely turn me off, no matter how attractive I think they are in other ways - it’s just so disappointing and makes me look down on them. Nothing sexy about that. Respect is a big part of attraction to me - and I don’t respect bullies, narcissists or grifters. But, I see women who don’t care about it - esp…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/23 12:27 AM
8	What is your unpopular opinion regarding your own gender that could make others call you a gender traitor? I agree with this one. Online dating is damaging to almost everyone and the part of feminism that encourages women to be sexually permissive for “empowerment” has done more harm than good for most women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/05/23 10:31 PM
6	Most online discussion revolved around 'average' people. What should those with disabilities that are not average do? They are often dismissed as an afterthought. In the year 2020 approximately 1 in 36 children were born autistic. Spot on.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/23 08:51 AM