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have you ever had that situation where a 35 y/o woman is apparently showing up on places where you show up, is trying to set herself up via common friends, is trying to chase you after an ONS? No. For me that is the stuff of dreams.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 07:32 AM
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Unfortunately 4 to 5 doesn't cut it in today's dating market. Even though it could be classed as average, most women want above average as a minimum.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 03:45 AM
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By how he acts when he's doing the approaching.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 03:39 AM
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It happens a lot. Have a look on the deadbedrooms sub for examples, although in fairness it happens to women too. A common scenario, apart from the husband getting fat, and not giving a shit, is when a woman meets a guy, likes him and gets along with him, but isn't physically attracted to him. She convinces herself that she will grow attracted to him. Sadly, this never happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 10:16 AM
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Then explain to me why there are so many ugly guys with hot gfs then There aren't. It's a very rare occurance.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 03:47 AM
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Plenty of good looking, young broke guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 01:18 AM
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No. The average to below average women will aim for the best looking men possible, and average to below average guys will struggle, with the level of struggle depending on where they fall on the looks scale.
/r/ExRedPill13/07/23 10:08 PM
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The only guys who like the chase, are the good looking ones, who have no trouble getting women. For men like me, who have no success in attracting women, any approach from a woman would be welcome and flattening.
/r/ExRedPill13/07/23 09:36 PM
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The top tier men will be seeing multiple women, not just one. It's called plate spinning. Sadly some of these women will accept this in order to have a top 20% man as a boyfriend.
/r/ExRedPill13/07/23 11:28 AM
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It's only creepy, approaching women in public, if the woman doesn't find the man attractive. If a woman asked me out, I wouldn't object at all. I might not think she's serious, or think it's a piss take, but that's a different issue.
/r/ExRedPill13/07/23 03:55 AM
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Bad experiences with previous relationships, maybe? If a guy acted differently in those relationships, and was treated badly, maybe redpill seems the obvious alternative way.
/r/ExRedPill06/07/23 01:28 AM
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Why would they care? Most women's real body count will be higher than most men's anyway.
/r/ExRedPill30/06/23 03:48 AM
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For example, on dating apps, every ethnicity of women responds and like more white men Only the good looking ones. Ugly white men are ignored just as much.
/r/ExRedPill27/06/23 03:50 AM
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Have to disagree about looks. The more I look around, and see the influence caused by technology and mainstream media, it's clear to see that good looks are the number one currency when it comes to determining a man's value.
/r/ExRedPill25/06/23 10:48 PM
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Jelqing is a thing, not necessarily incel related, that could be classed as male self improvement.
/r/ExRedPill25/06/23 11:52 AM
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True, and the likely outcome will be a dead bedroom due to this lack of attraction. Don't know what would be worse, a single incel or a partnered / married incel. In my opinion the latter would be worse. Have a look on the deadbedrooms sub for some of the horror stories, many of which due to a lack of attraction.
/r/ExRedPill25/06/23 08:06 AM
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A result of the internet era. As someone from pre-internet times, if you were involuntary celibate (incel) you kept quiet about it, for fear of humiliation, and you certainly wouldn't talk to anyone about it. The internet has given these people a voice in an era where mainstream media has normalised not only sex, but having many sex partners. The collective anger and frustration was always going to be a natural progression.
/r/ExRedPill25/06/23 01:01 AM
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he had a problem of "I'm too ugly even to talk to her". Such a common belief for not only incels, but men who struggle with dating full stop. The mainstream media fuels this belief by normalising sex for men, leaving those who don't experience this feeling like outliers. Add to this the shitshow that is modern day dating, both online and in real life, where looks are the most important, and primary focus. Inceldom is a by product of the internet era, and technological "advances".
/r/ExRedPill25/06/23 12:54 AM
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About a decade ago, I fell into the whole red pill self-improvement stuff: hit the gym, dress better, get a hair cut, improve your career, make more money, talk to more women. But I slowly realized that this advice was bullshit. A lot of guys fall for this bullshit. If you're doing it for fitness, then it's a good thing, however the constant trope of it makes you more attractive to women, is rubbish. The only way this works is if you've good facial attractiveness to begin with. Muscles enhance a…
/r/ExRedPill23/06/23 01:28 AM
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I read and watched a ton of PUA stuff (mostly British or Australian content) from 2013ish, but I had no success with it. Trouble I found back then was the community's steadfast denial that looks mattered, and that any man can get any woman. Clearly this was complete rubbish.
/r/ExRedPill22/06/23 12:45 AM
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I look for definitive indicators of interest like playing with their hair, long stares, certain types of smiles, restarting conversations that pause with me. The usual stuff men look for. If I don't get a definitive IOI of sexual attraction I will often bail out of the conversation to not waste time. Sadly, I very rarely ever get a definitive body language signal to move forward confidently and my insecurities get the best of me and I eject. I also find myself getting ruthlessly shit-tested. Lik…
/r/ExRedPill20/06/23 09:36 AM
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In my case because I've seen regularly how well attractive men are treated in life. They have large friendship circles, and no problem in attracting women, despite how badly they treat or use them.
/r/ExRedPill18/06/23 11:14 AM
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Red pill list. Author of Married Man Sex Life Primer.
/r/ExRedPill18/06/23 11:08 AM
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Athol Kay should be added to the list.
/r/ExRedPill18/06/23 06:04 AM
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Blackpill is basically the theory that good looks matter most of all when it comes to attracting women. Although I don't subscribe to the "there's no hope " mentality, if you're below average looking, it's going to be very difficult for a man to succeed in the dating world.
/r/ExRedPill18/06/23 05:59 AM
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A lack of interested women, and sex, led me to PUA and in turn on to redpill and blackpill. Although I was never fully immersed, out of the three I probably identified more with blackpill. Also out of the three, I reckon PUA is the biggest scam going.
/r/ExRedPill14/06/23 01:14 AM
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I think it's a generational problem. There's no doubt that men and women these days are actively encouraged to open up and talk about feelings and problems. I was born in the north of England, in the 70s, and can safely say that vulnerability, whether it be in dating, friendships, and even family, was not encouraged, seen as weakness and likely ridiculed. I think that's why I struggle with the concept of vulnerability. I tend to hide all my problems, put on a normal happy persona, and get on wit…
/r/ExRedPill12/06/23 12:18 AM
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I was referring to men who would like to indulge in hookups. Obviously not all men would like or want to experience hookups, but for those that do, I maintain that good looks are a requirement for success, but not a guarantee.
/r/ExRedPill09/06/23 11:38 AM
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Always downplayed on here, but men need good looks to be able to indulge in hookups. Just having confidence and good social skills just doesn't cut it.
/r/ExRedPill09/06/23 01:11 AM
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Further to this, what sort of places did you all meet these women? Online, bars and clubs, or other?
/r/ExRedPill07/06/23 10:01 PM
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What makes someone the right person? For sleeping with 50 to 200 women, good looks are vital. Yes, confidence and social skills are important, but not of much use without the looks component.
/r/ExRedPill07/06/23 09:59 PM
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Not for sleeping with a large number of women. That's where good looks matter so much. A sizeable number of below average looking men won't get anywhere near double digits.
/r/ExRedPill07/06/23 11:44 AM
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Being good looking is essential to experience this phenomenon. If I stayed alive until the next century, I'd still be massively short of 50.
/r/ExRedPill07/06/23 06:19 AM
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Would say most definitely for guys who are below average in looks. When they try to live their lives in accordance with red pill theory, and realise that it's all bs, it's inevitable that they'll see that their failings are as a result of their looks, and this will lead to blackpill.
/r/ExRedPill04/06/23 10:38 AM
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Red pill will go the same way as PUA. It will be proved that most of it's theories are false. On the other hand, I can forsee the rise of black pill thinking, and incel culture. A lot of those theories are hard to disprove, especially for men with a lack of success with women.
/r/ExRedPill18/05/23 09:57 PM
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And you can still love someone even with a dead bedroom, there are many couples that don’t have sex, it doesn’t make the relationship any less than. Try telling that to the higher libido partner, whose partner won't have sex with them due to a lack of physical attraction. Trust me, all it does is breed resentment and a sense of wasting the years. It doesn't end well.
/r/ExRedPill17/05/23 10:49 AM
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everyone has options. Not true. I'm a below average looking man, and I have zero options when it comes to women. It's literally a numbers game until someone says yes. it’s not impossible to love someone despite not liking their appearance. This is true, but it can be an issue when it comes to intimacy. A lack of physical attraction for a partner can,more often than not, result in a dead bedroom.
/r/ExRedPill17/05/23 09:15 AM
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Surely in a relationship, there has to be physical attraction to spark things off? Men who aren't very high on the attractiveness scale are going to struggle to meet an interested woman, regardless of getting into a relationship. Especially as most women have options.
/r/ExRedPill17/05/23 07:20 AM
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Disagree about looks not mattering in real life. Try going into a bar or club, and seeing what success you have with women, if you're not facially attractive. Same goes for cold approaches. The only time looks don't matter (as much) is in social circles.
/r/ExRedPill17/05/23 04:01 AM
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Looks are important in relationships. I'm not necessarily saying that you've got to be top tier either, just average or above is good enough. However below average to ugly and men will struggle big time. There is a level where you're just not attractive to the vast majority of women.
/r/ExRedPill14/05/23 04:34 AM
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Game is another scam concept created by the PUA industry, trying to convince men of all levels of attractiveness that carrying out routines will make them successful with women. In reality game is just flirting, and is only really successful for men that women typically find good looking enough. For guys who fall below this attractiveness level (who are the target demographic of the PUA industry), it's a complete waste of time and doesn't work.
/r/ExRedPill08/05/23 03:47 AM
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No. Like most books of the same subject matter, he skims over the importance of looks, and downplays how vital it is when attracting women. Looking your best goes without saying, but if you don't have good facial attractiveness, dating is going to be a struggle. Unfortunately authors like Manson, and of other similar books, always fail to acknowledge this. The fact that he's a good looking man probably has something to do with it.
/r/ExRedPill12/04/23 10:06 PM
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Very few therapists have experience or knowledge about redpill theory.
/r/ExRedPill30/03/23 09:02 PM
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Redpill or not, it's just a matter of being good looking enough. Always has been.
/r/ExRedPill30/03/23 08:58 PM
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To be fair, it doesn't take much to get banned from incelexit.
/r/ExRedPill27/03/23 12:16 AM
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A certain Dr. Who I initially read this thinking it was one of the actors that had played the Time Lord.
/r/ExRedPill23/03/23 09:05 PM
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Not everything, but it certainly does more than just helps. Looks, confidence, social skills in that order, with looks out in front by a country mile.
/r/ExRedPill19/03/23 09:19 AM
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C) be good looking.
/r/ExRedPill19/03/23 09:13 AM
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Lol. It doesn't end at 30. I'm well past that, and still not noticed.
/r/ExRedPill19/03/23 09:11 AM
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Dating classes aren't going to help ugly men at all, apart from being taught that life is going to be difficult in the dating scene, and not to expect much success. May be harsh, but at least they won't leave school with unrealistic expectations, or get suckered in by the PUA scam merchants.
/r/ExRedPill15/03/23 03:06 AM
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The solution is for guys to follow their subconscious thoughts on their looks and pursue their looksmatch. That's purely defined by the guy's face and not his muscles or frame or height... Another reason why the gym or being short/tall isn't that relevant. I fully agree with this, but the trouble is that whereas guys are willing / happy to be looksmatched, a lot of women aren't prepared to accept this. They either think they're more attractive than they are (probably due to the attention they ge…
/r/ExRedPill13/03/23 03:58 AM
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Yes you're right but is it always the person's fault? Or is it the media or internet? Curious what you think on that. I think it's a combination of the above, plus the enabling that friends and family give, especially in the case of women. You get the internet telling you that all you need is a nice haircut and to dress nice. Sure, those things help a little. But they don't literally make you good looking, at all. And of course, being told that "being nice" makes girls like you and you're someho…
/r/ExRedPill13/03/23 03:35 AM
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Trouble is many people, especially women, have trouble determining their own attractiveness level, and more often than not think they should be dating people that are actually out of their league. There is a lack of realism at times, when it comes to people choosing ideal partners.
/r/ExRedPill13/03/23 01:37 AM
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As far as #1 goes, good looks are important. It seems to be denied, or downplayed, but I've seen the evidence that it's factual.
/r/ExRedPill13/03/23 01:33 AM
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The world we're in doesn't encourage people to develop self-confidence, the exact opposite, in fact. In my experience, we're not encouraged to find out who we are and what makes us happy. Instead it's get a good job, get married, have kids ASAP, keep the boss happy and never question if any of that is right for you. This is exactly how my Mum raised me to be. I had both parents, but my Dad had little to do with my upbringing, in fact he was the boss that was never questioned. My Mum was a good p…
/r/ExRedPill13/03/23 01:19 AM
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Ugly is subjective. I've come across so many guys (girls) deemed physically unattractive in today's society who are with psychically attractive girls (guys). But who in today's society deems them unattractive? I think we have an idea of what is attractive and what isn't. The proof is in the comments you receive, and your success in the dating pool.
/r/ExRedPill12/03/23 05:31 AM
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How long before exblackpill becomes a thing?
/r/ExRedPill12/03/23 04:38 AM
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This should be massively upvoted. So much truth here. I firmly believe that not all incels are just aiming at the most attractive women. I believe that a large portion do look at women in their self assessed attractiveness range, and let's face it, not many incels go round thinking they're male model material. The fact is that women of all levels of attractiveness have options, and very high standards. Admittedly the options they have may not be the ones they'd prefer, but the choice is still th…
/r/ExRedPill11/03/23 06:56 AM
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I get where you're coming from. What would happen if the internet ended tomorrow? We'd have to go back to the old days when you met someone through face to face verbal communication. If it's done respectfully, I don't see a problem.
/r/ExRedPill06/03/23 02:53 AM
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I was banned from incelexit without being told what I'd done wrong, and having non existent rules quoted at me. It appears that the mods on that sub are a bit OTT when it comes to banning people. I think a temporary suspension to start with would be a fairer approach.
/r/ExRedPill05/03/23 02:55 AM
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I think it depends on what circles you move in. If your social circle was church based, there is a good chance you'd meet girls who regarded sex as a major investment in a relationship. If your social circle was bar and club based, the chances are you'd meet party girls into hookups and fwb. It's all about the environment.
/r/ExRedPill04/03/23 10:51 PM
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Books like these always miss one important and crucial element. To have any chance of this information working, a man needs to be good looking or above average. A man who is below average or ugly may as well save his money. Unfortunately the target readership is likely to fall in the second category, which is why these books fail to mention the importance of looks.
/r/ExRedPill04/03/23 11:00 AM
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How? I'm too ugly to seduce women, but I know a over hyped book when I see one. I just don't get why it's so revered.
/r/ExRedPill04/03/23 09:57 AM
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Models is a terrible book. It could have been half the length it is, due to all the waffle and filler in it. Manson bangs on about vulnerability, without clearly explaining what it is, in relation to meeting women. Also, very little actionable advice, and as usual with these books, completely downplays the importance that looks play.
/r/ExRedPill04/03/23 09:44 AM
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True, but I think men adapt better to settling than women do. The number of sexless marriages are an indicator of this. Although I accept that either sex can experience a lack of desire for their partner, it's mostly men that are the ones complaining of a lack of sex.
/r/ExRedPill04/03/23 02:41 AM
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80/20 rule. Maybe not those exact numbers, but I've seen evidence on many occasions. Also, women settling is another one.
/r/ExRedPill03/03/23 10:17 PM
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Nice thought, but will never happen Too many thirsty men, and the internet is the source of that thirst.
/r/ExRedPill01/03/23 09:13 AM
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To an extent yes. I've seen evidence of the 80/20 rule in play, but it's not set in stone.
/r/ExRedPill25/02/23 01:35 AM
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Ok, I also get regularly confused about the nice guy issue, especially as people say that I am a nice guy. In the current climate, I don't know whether that's a compliment or a criticism. Basically my outlook and philosophy is to treat people how I would wish to be treated myself. However, I find that I get pissed off if that behaviour isn't returned, but I don't show my displeasure, as I have a tendency to avoid rocking the boat, or creating conflict.
/r/ExRedPill20/02/23 09:04 PM
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No more Mr Nice Guy by Dr Robert Glover, although the Breaking Free exercises are tedious.
/r/ExRedPill18/02/23 06:13 AM
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PUA courses are the worst. The book, The Game has a lot to answer for. Gives false hope to lonely or unattractive men (or both) that it's possible to get with any woman, and lots of them. If it doesn't work, it's because you didn't do something right, or something needs calibrating. Another scam industry it that of life coaching. Unregulated, very expensive, and basically just tell you what you want to hear, but not how to get there.
/r/ExRedPill18/02/23 06:10 AM
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I'd avoid Models by Mark Manson. It's one of the most overrated books I've read. So much waffle and filler. It could have been half the length. Also very little actionable advice, and the huge push on vulnerability, without clearly explaining what it is, or how to display it. I'm always sceptical about dating advice books. The majority avoid discussing that good looks are a huge component in attracting women, or downplay or avoid the issue.
/r/ExRedPill18/02/23 05:59 AM
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There are married women that consider themselves femcels LOL. Although I agree with the rest of your post, this is actually a truth, and can also apply to men. If you're in a sexless marriage, and you want to avoid destroying the family by divorcing, or cheating, then the incel label is valid.
/r/ExRedPill16/02/23 06:14 AM
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Game is the biggest myth and scam going. It has conned lonely men into believing they have a chance with any woman out there, and if it doesn't work, it's because they didn't do the move right, or didn't have the correct posture. In the end women will like you because of personality and social skills and, most importantly, good looks. By all means get used to chatting with women, but it has nothing to do with negging or eye contact to question ratio.
/r/ExRedPill16/02/23 05:43 AM
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Thanks for that. I've read models, but I'm not a fan. It's full of waffle and filler, and could easily have been half the length. Also, there's not much actionable advice. Manson bangs on about vulnerability, without giving a clear definition about it.
/r/ExRedPill09/02/23 12:17 AM
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What's the difference between what you do, and PUA? Not having a go or anything, just curious. Personally I feel the PUA industry is partly responsible for the rise in incel culture, mainly due to the lies and false hope men were given.
/r/ExRedPill08/02/23 09:05 PM
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Perception of what? Our looks? I think we all have a reasonable idea of where we stand on the attractiveness scale.
/r/ExRedPill08/02/23 11:24 AM
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Actually in the pulling game ugly men were hardest to come onto, ironic to what you'd think You know why? Ugly men would more than likely think its for a pisstake or a bet. I speak from experience as an ugly man.
/r/ExRedPill08/02/23 06:58 AM
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Men don't respect you (edit relationship wise for coming onto them), I actually think this is rubbish. I reckon there's lots of men who would welcome a woman's approach. It would save all the guessing games, and playing it safe, especially for men who don't have much luck in dating. The only men who won't respect this are good looking men who have no trouble in attracting women to start with.
/r/ExRedPill08/02/23 06:22 AM
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Simple. It was a knock on effect from reading Married Man Sex Life Primer, by Athol Kay, and the toxic forum that accompanied it.
/r/ExRedPill07/02/23 08:05 PM
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Not so much the enjoyment of hot dogs, but the fact that some men have the ability, opportunity and capability of getting the hot dog. The hot dog might not be something we enjoy, but it would be good to be able to choose whether we want one or not.
/r/ExRedPill30/01/23 07:23 AM
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How did you manage to distance yourself, and where there and were there any relapses where you thought "maybe they're right"?
/r/ExRedPill30/01/23 02:59 AM
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It's the answer to everything in the RP world.
/r/ExRedPill29/01/23 09:54 AM
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“Men have to be 6 foot or above to date” “You have to be rich to date women” “Nice guys finish last” “Only looks matter” This type of thinking has been debunked correct? Yes apart from the last one. I'm not saying you have to be incredibly good looking. Reasonably average will suffice. It's when a man falls into the below average and ugly category that the problems start. In this case looks really do matter. It's going to be a lot harder to have success with women.
/r/ExRedPill23/01/23 02:56 AM
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If he's in a sexless or low sex marriage.
/r/ExRedPill02/01/23 01:26 PM
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Usually starts with a sexless or low sex marriage. There's books out there for married men in this position, that definitely have a subtle red pill edge to them.
/r/ExRedPill02/01/23 01:25 PM
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Was far more authentic than the old school tricksters. Who do you rate as the best?
/r/seduction15/01/22 03:56 AM
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This reminds me of Athol Kay, and his army of brainwashed clowns on the (now defunct) Married Man Sex Life forum.
/r/ExRedPill15/01/22 01:43 AM
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No, it would work both ways. The already confident and popular, good looking guys would lap it up, and kill it even more with girls. The ugly, social outcasts would just realise the futility of it all, and would just give up.
/r/seduction14/01/22 11:03 AM
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They do if they don't have the level of looks that attract women. If they have zero success, and are confirmed ugly, then surgery is very much an option that should be considered.
/r/seduction14/01/22 10:18 AM
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Exactly. They can preach about lifting untill they're blue in the face, but an ugly guy who lifts, just becomes an ugly guy with muscles.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 03:15 AM
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There are literally examples of where prostitution is legal and not frowned upon Where? I'm in Australia, where it's fully legal, yet I don't know any guy would freely admit they use sex workers, and I doubt I would too. There still is that opinion that you're inferior if you visit prostitutes, even here. If that stigma was somehow eradicated, far more men would use them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 01:51 AM
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A lot of it is stigma related. If using a sex worker was less shameful or not regarded as loser behaviour, and fully legalised throughout the world, I reckon far more men would use their services. Could also help men with a lot of problems they face today. Truth of the matter is women hate the concept of sex being widely accessible to men. It has little to do with morals.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 01:27 AM
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Luckily I managed to find and marry a good one. You hope. We all have secrets and vices. Some we prefer to keep to ourselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 01:21 AM
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Exactly. The concept of reproduction as being consensual, and part of a union, is relatively new in the history of human kind.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 11:41 PM
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Women going for the most attractive men, and being able to, is a post internet phenomenon. Women have understandably wanted the best looking men, but until their options and choices exploded, "thanks" to the internet, they had to settle for a far smaller pool of men. A 4/10 woman ending up with a 7/10 man was very rare before. The true effect of this won't be seen for a few generations, at which point average to below looking men will be almost certainly be sexless and forever alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 09:08 AM
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The original intentions were right and correct, but it just devolved into a platform for shaming men, sometimes because a woman was offended. There's a world of difference between Harvey Weinstein and a below average looking guy chatting up a woman in a bar, yet both made it to metoo.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 12:16 AM
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The majority of men would remain single and sexless if they were to only wait for those signals. Only the most attractive men get these. In fact, of all the women I've dated outside social circles, the initial interaction started with a cold approach without signals. The main issue is how men react when rejected. I'm well used to rejection, so handle it well.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 01:51 AM
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The same men will keep on winning; because they break the laws, rules and norms. And that is a panty-dropper. and that's the irony of all this. Women are attracted to bad boys, but don't want these guys to do the bad things.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 01:43 AM
1

Explain Reputations and lives ruined without proof. Women accusing a not so attractive guy, of pestering or harassing because he had the audacity to approach her.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 01:40 AM
1

From what I've been told about my dad's generation, dating was a lot like it used to be pre-internet. A lot of cold approaches in various places.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 12:49 AM
1

Because when these laws are implemented, it tends to be the easy targets that get punished, not the people it was set out to target. I have visions of it turning into another metoo farce.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 12:42 AM
1

How do you think our fathers and grandfathers met our mothers and grandmas? By waiting to be chosen, or any signals? I very much doubt it. More like they cold approached and made conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/21 11:22 PM
1

It's what is deemed as pestering. I've no problem with the stance against catcalling, or aggressively harassing women. What happens if I approach a woman in a respectful way, in a bar / mall/ store/ park/ wherever, and I graciously accept the inevitable rejection? Is the fact that she isn't attracted to me grounds to class it as pestering?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/21 11:19 PM
2

Because you end up grudgingly settling for someone to you’re not attracted to (something men would never suffer, You're kidding right? For the majority of men, it's a case of settling for what you can get, or else stay alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/21 11:27 AM
0

Similar to metoo when it became obvious that many women classed it as harassment because thet didn't find the man attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/21 11:18 AM
3

Not mad, but it's is a scenario that could easily happen. Go for the low lying fruit.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/21 06:20 AM
0

What you mentioned is important, and will contribute to increasing a man's chances of success, but the vital piece in the jigsaw is good facial attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/21 06:16 AM
4

Metoo stuffed things up for both sexes. The reasoning behind the movement was certainly justified, but it just descended into bitterness, and became a joke.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/21 05:02 AM
8

The majority of men don't receive any choosing signals. It seems that this majority continually have the odds stacked against them, in the dating world.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/21 04:59 AM
7

I can see the easy targets getting punished. The shy guy in a club, or elsewhere, builds up the nerve to ask a woman out, in a clumsy but respectful way. Unfortunately she's not attracted to him, and calls security on him. Poor guy gets punished, and placed on the sex offenders register. Meanwhile, the car full of guys shouting "get your tits out" to the lone woman walking down the street go unpunished do to a lack of proof or inability to catch them in the act. It's how it works in the UK. Look…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/21 03:16 AM
2

The UK news channel I watched suggested it would also apply to bars and clubs. Supposedly this would mean that men have to be chosen, in future.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/21 03:05 AM
2

I agree with what you're saying, but some guys are simply invisible to women, no matter how well they present themselves. If you don't have the right level of facial attractiveness, women just won't notice you, and the signals won't be forthcoming.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 11:36 PM
1

As a result of pickiness, not because they're unable to find a willing partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 11:27 PM
2

Correct, but it doesn't create many opportunities.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 10:56 PM
3

The guys doing the cheating are those that have no trouble with women, i.e. the top tier men. Average men struggle to get in one relationship, let alone have the options or ability to cheat with another woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 08:22 AM
1

Depends where you live in the UK. Most videos and courses are based in London, due to the size, diversity, and advantage that you've a high chance of meeting a foreign girl. Outside London and it's a different story. Most women are guarded and suspicious of strangers, and tend to stick to their social circles. A few seasoned American PUA'S have made posts about how difficult / different it is picking up UK girls compared to those in the states.
/r/seduction02/12/21 01:52 AM
1

"Looks aren't important to women, women are attracted to a person with a kind lovable personality" I thought the whole concept of Blackpill was the opposite of this - that looks ARE important to women, and is more important than confidence and personality etc. Although I'm not blackpiiled, I do think that what they say is pretty accurate about looks.
/r/ExRedPill01/12/21 08:56 AM
1

nobody views you as negatively as yourself. From experience, I can assure you that this isn't true.
/r/ExRedPill01/12/21 08:50 AM
1

Same happens with UK daygamers in Poland or eastern European countries.
/r/ExRedPill01/12/21 08:46 AM
1

Attractive, and average/ below looking women have way more options than men of an equivalent looks rating. Why would they bother with an average or below looking man, when they have access and options of hotter guys?
/r/seduction22/11/21 12:12 AM
5

Very few. It's a case of taking what I can.
/r/seduction21/11/21 04:20 AM
2

That's a total different kettle of fish. The women who are "attacted" to these men are just gold diggers. Would they seriously be successful with women if it wasn't for the millions?
/r/seduction19/11/21 07:26 AM
1

Who's judging that they don't look good? You? Like I said, the litmus test for a man's attractiveness is his success with women. In what way do you not consider them good looking? I've seen a number of men who claim they have success despite not being good looking, yet when you see them, they're at least 7/10.
/r/seduction19/11/21 07:22 AM
-1

Doesn't matter of you're short, tall, bald or whatever...confidence shines. Confidence plays it's part, but if a guy is short, bald or ugly, no amount of confidence is going to give him regular (If any) success with women. You, yourself even admit that you're good looking. That is the main reason for your success.
/r/seduction19/11/21 04:30 AM
-5

No, but I am an ugly man.
/r/seduction19/11/21 03:59 AM
1

Depends on your location. Fat girls in Australia are in a minority. The amount you see hitting the footpath, in the hot fitness clothes, is very high.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/21 09:00 AM
0

When I see both in full effect, it's hard to see how they're bullshit.
/r/ExRedPill10/10/21 12:00 AM
1

Crazy how sex has become such a commodity to be shared left and right without 0 concern. It's not attractive for either gender, but I guess hey, to each their own. The blame for this lies in the media and entertainment industry. For years we have had the narrative that sex is as normal as eating or breathing, and is easy to have for all, when in reality it couldn't be further from the truth. The only people this narrative applies to are the vast majority of women, or the top tier men. For the ma…
/r/ExRedPill09/10/21 03:28 PM
0

Apart from maybe the party girls, I don't think women intentionally set out to sleep with As many different men as possible. I believe it's a combination of pickiness, high standards and bad choice of partners, by going after the best looking men available. These same men, knowing how much in demand they are, pull the same routines, and say the right things, until they get the pussy and leave. Unfortunately, instead of learning from this experience, the same women go for a similar partner with t…
/r/ExRedPill09/10/21 12:01 PM
0

Although I agree that unattractive men can be shitty partners, this behaviour is more common with the top tier guys, mostly because they are the ones that enjoy the most success with women, and therefore have far more opportunities to behave badly. Average and ugly men don't pump and dumping women, because they can't.
/r/ExRedPill09/10/21 11:47 AM
0

Ex, but there are still aspects of red pill theory that I see in existence, particularly when it comes to dating. The 80/20 rule, and looks matter most are two that I believe are the truth.
/r/ExRedPill09/10/21 11:41 AM
0

Then women should quit complaining that there's no good men around, when they choose a top tier guy, who pumps and dumps them, and then move on to the next hot guy, who does the same.
/r/ExRedPill09/10/21 09:24 AM
1

Women don't have to try as hard as you think to be attractive to men. In fact too hard can spoil their natural beauty. Also, what would be classed as an average / ugly looking in women's terms would still be appealing to a number of men. Guys don't necessarily date these women out of desperation or something is better than nothing. A lot of times it will be out of attraction. Men don't have this luxury. Confidence doesn't act as a substitute for a lack of facial attractiveness. It only helps to …
/r/ExRedPill09/10/21 07:37 AM
2

Good on you for hinting that you'd be open to an approach, but for the majority of average/ ugly guys, they will never experience this , especially from the hot girls. Hence they approach women within their league, in the hope of success, not because they've received any signal of interest. Unsurprisingly they're not going to blindly approach a hot girl, where their chances of success are practically zero. Don't be fooled in thinking that it's only 20s girls that prioritise the hot guys. I'm in …
/r/ExRedPill09/10/21 06:43 AM
2

In your opinion, what separates the pretty men from the common men? In my mind it would be one thing - facial attractiveness. Many average/ ugly men actually make an effort to look better by dressing well, hitting the gym, working on confidence etc, but it is sadly to no avail, as they are let down by one thing they have no control over - genetics.
/r/ExRedPill09/10/21 05:52 AM
2

Actually no. The majority of guys outside the top tier, are usually intimidated about approaching the really hot girls, even though it would be the stuff of their dreams. They tend to approach women in their league, as this is where they feel confidence of having success. Unfortunately women aren't interested in men in their league. Even the plain overweight chick still feels entitled, or has a chance with Mr top 20%, and will ignore guys who would likely treat her better.
/r/ExRedPill09/10/21 05:46 AM
2

but no way these guys are only 20% True it's not an exact science. There will be guys who are decent looking enough to stretch it to 30%, and will have a lot of success, but there will come a point where the remaining men will be invisible / ugly to women.
/r/ExRedPill09/10/21 04:27 AM
2

I believe both sexes like what's attractive but it's a supply and demand issue, women put so much emphasis on their looks because they are so heavily judged by it, now social media is flooded with attractive females but guys just don't care about it enough. I think this is totally wrong. Men of all ages are under more pressure than ever, to be the best looking, fittest, successful versions of themselves, especially when it comes to facial attractiveness, and is why many men are single. I believe…
/r/ExRedPill09/10/21 04:14 AM
5

The litmus test for a man's attractiveness is his amount of success he has with women, especially getting them into bed. The top 20% are those that have the most success and sex with women. Although status, confidence, personality, and other traits come into play, it's not surprising that the biggest advantage these guys possess is their good facial attractiveness. Although the 80/20 rule is often denounced on here, I've seen evidence on many occasion that back it up. Seen it in school field tri…
/r/ExRedPill09/10/21 04:01 AM
0

You can be unattractive and still find some success by cold approaching. Only in PUA videos. In the real world it doesn't happen. Cold approach success only happens to good looking men.
/r/ExRedPill08/10/21 11:24 PM
2

Agree. Total BS.
/r/ExRedPill08/10/21 11:20 PM
-6

I understand why women need to be picky, but I think they need to look at the criteria they use to make their choices. It seems that a woman chooses primarily on a man's facial attractiveness. Time after time I read or hear about women picking these hot guys, only to end up getting pumped and dumped, complain a while about there being no good men, then move on to the next good looking man, and so the cycle continues. The trouble here is they're picking the type of men that are most in demand (80…
/r/ExRedPill08/10/21 11:18 PM
3

I'd say yes. Definitely choosers in whether they agree to date or not, and whether sex will happen. Women today have more choice than ever.
/r/ExRedPill08/10/21 07:44 AM
1

This is a good point. I guess I was referring to the plethora of boy bands today, that use good looks as a selling point, sometimes more than talent. The bands / acts you mentioned were from an era where talent mattered more than appearance, although I disagree with some of your examples, whose lack of looks are more down to age than genetics. What your comment does highlight is the importance of status and money. A lot of the guys on that list would be incels in the real world.
/r/ExRedPill06/10/21 01:54 AM
2

TBH I came to the realisation that all the lifting, assertiveness, and whatever else RP preaches is worthless if you're not a good looking man to start with.
/r/ExRedPill05/10/21 11:56 PM
10

To become attractive to women. I feel that I was sold a lie.
/r/ExRedPill05/10/21 10:40 PM
3

The majority of successful bands have decent looking members. At times it's their looks that make them successful, rather than talent. One Direction are a prime example.
/r/ExRedPill05/10/21 02:41 AM
-11

Which is why most guys online have no success. You've got to be in the top 20% to do well.
/r/ExRedPill05/10/21 01:40 AM
-10

You need to be good looking to attract women.
/r/ExRedPill04/10/21 11:00 PM
-10

This is because the guys who are like this, are generally good looking narcissist types, who have no trouble getting women, and have no need to bother if they satisfy them. They'll just move on to the next one. Lucky guys.
/r/ExRedPill04/10/21 10:47 PM
-1

Good looks pure and simple. Good facial attractiveness in turn creates confidence and good social skills, as people in general are drawn to good looking men. Such guys are usually the most popular in all walks of life.
/r/seduction03/10/21 07:08 AM
1

Women generally don't date friends though, because they view them as just that - a friend I'm not saying they would date them, but the guy who is regarded as "the friend", would jump in straight away, should she become available.
/r/ExRedPill02/10/21 11:20 PM
-1

Yes which is why I know.
/r/ExRedPill02/10/21 03:07 PM
-3

Pretty much so. Women with husbands or boyfriends will generally have a guy orbiting somewhere, even if they're not aware of it, or dismiss him as being "just a friend". See what happens with these men, if the relationships of the women start to look a bit shaky.
/r/ExRedPill02/10/21 12:59 PM
0

Confidence is secondary to facial attractiveness by a long way, and it's importance is way overblown in dating advice.
/r/ExRedPill02/10/21 01:18 AM
1

No to both. Practically any woman will have someone interested in them the majority of the time, even if they're not actually aware of it. The only men who would be confident of cheating are those who women find attractive, i.e. the top tier men. The majority of men struggle enough to attract a woman to start with, let alone attract a woman to have an affair with.
/r/ExRedPill01/10/21 02:54 AM
1

Wrong. An ugly girl will always find someone who is interested in them. May not be a guy she's interested in, or attracted to, and it may be not be with the right intentions, but the ugly girl will still have options.
/r/ExRedPill30/09/21 10:40 PM
1

Not saying they will definitely cheat, but a plan B is usually there, if needed. The majority of men just don't have this access or options, which is why I'm always surprised as the results of these surveys.
/r/ExRedPill30/09/21 08:28 PM
-5

I don't know in what world you live in but I don't think a lot of women who don't classify casual sex as cheating outside of open relationships exist, it's a shitty excuse. I've worked in enough offices to see what women are capable of. "I had a big argument with my boyfriend, and I ended up sleeping with a random guy at the bars, because I was so angry with him." Then the other women deem this behaviour acceptable, by saying she was justified. Would be a different story if the boyfriend had don…
/r/ExRedPill30/09/21 02:43 AM
-13

Yet most women in long term relationships do not cheat Do not cheat, don't get caught, or do things that they don't consider cheating? For a number of women, casual sex on a girls night out, a holiday fling, or a one nighter on a business trip isn't classed as cheating.
/r/ExRedPill30/09/21 01:38 AM
-2

Yes, men do notice pretty women, and given half the chance would love to spend the night with them, but the majority of men don't have the inclination, confidence, ability or looks to make anything happen. Women in general, will at some point have choices and options of meeting someone better, either regularly or occasionally, depending on their environment.
/r/ExRedPill29/09/21 11:49 PM
1

I reckon a lot of guys head into red pill after discovering PUA. As most of these guys, who search for advice in meeting women/ getting laid, are sexually frustrated and unsuccessful, it's natural that their main focus in Red Pill is going to be sex and women.
/r/ExRedPill25/09/21 05:06 AM
0

True, but out of the two sexes, I believe that men are more willing to settle for a partner that doesn't meet their initial hopes and expectations, than women are.
/r/ExRedPill25/09/21 01:18 AM
-1

From experience, I find that some women are less inclined to settle for men that are on their level of attractiveness, and would sooner stay single and wait until a hotter man is available. What annoys me is when these women do this, then complain that there's no good men around.
/r/ExRedPill25/09/21 12:24 AM
8

Good post. In my opinion, the internet is the reason why dating has become what it is today. I started dating in pre-internet times, and it was far simpler then. Men and women just got on with meeting each other. Some men did a lot better than others, but it was just accepted that it was one of those things. There wasn't much resentment around this. Both men and women seemed to settle more for what was available. I think it all came down to one thing - a lack of information that could suggest yo…
/r/ExRedPill24/09/21 11:25 PM
1

Nothing wrong with girls fucking around. The problem that guys who struggle to get sex, is the imbalance of it all. For ALL women, sex can be had fairly easily, and with a choice of willing partner. For men, it's just the top 20% who can get sex with similar ease. The scarcity of willing girls to have sex with increases the lower a man falls down the looks scale, to the point where it's practically impossible.
/r/ExRedPill23/09/21 10:48 AM
0

Unfortunately facial attractiveness is the key to being good enough for women. All the confidence, fitness, grooming etc does help, bit only as an enhancement to good looks. As mentioned in other comments, you do see men of all types in relationships, but there's two things to consider here. Firstly is that in most couples you see, the man is more attractive than the woman. If the man is a 5 or 6/10, then the woman will be 4 or 5. At best, the couple will be looks matched, but the couples where …
/r/ExRedPill23/09/21 10:24 AM
2

It's face over muscles that women find attractive. A woman will always be drawn to a good looking face regardless of what anybody says.
/r/ExRedPill22/09/21 02:57 AM
2

A short guy with good facial attractiveness will have more success than a tall man with average to below looks. Admittedly it would be difficult to compete with a tall good looking man, but those guys are generally top tier anyway.
/r/ExRedPill18/09/21 11:34 PM
1

1) It depends on the level of being overweight. Admittedly being majorly obese is going to reduce your attractiveness, the further overweight you go. On the other hand, I've seen plenty of (not vastly) overweight men and women, who have a good baseline of facial attractiveness, which would be enhanced with weight loss, but still couldn't be described as being ugly even with the weight. 2) If you were to make a pie chart of what attracts women, facial attractiveness would make up around 60% of it…
/r/ExRedPill18/09/21 11:28 PM
1

Johnny Berba is good. Not only gives advice on meeting women, but regularly talks about the inner stuff.
/r/ExRedPill17/09/21 11:02 PM
2

I agree that casual sex has always existed, but technology has widened the pool and choices available to those lucky enough to be able to participate.
/r/ExRedPill16/09/21 08:37 PM
-2

I agree with your post. What it has also created is a divide in men, between the top percentage who can get casual sex with relative ease, and the rest who simply aren't good looking enough to participate, and only get sex through relationships. In turn this creates a bitterness and jealousy from the guys on the outer, not only towards the top tier men, but also women in general for the ease in which they can get casual sex, no matter what level of attractiveness they are.
/r/ExRedPill16/09/21 08:32 PM
1

There's no doubt losing weight will make you look better, but would only make you more attractive, if you were attractive to begin with. From experience, attractiveness starts in the face. I've read many times where being fat is wrongly correlated with ugliness. I've seen many people who, despite being at varying levels of overweight, have still had a good baseline of facial attractiveness.
/r/ExRedPill16/09/21 08:25 PM
2

Possibly, and could be a country thing too. I'm in Australia and rarely see the often mentioned assertion of ugly guys with more attractive partners. For me, in the vast majority of the couples I know or see, the man is more attractive than the woman.
/r/ExRedPill14/09/21 07:06 AM
1

From the sounds of it, this isn't going to end well. She is obviously addicted to the attention and validation that other men give her and, with it being a long distance relationship, she has ample opportunity to cheat. If it was me, I'd cut my losses and leave. No one needs this stress and drama in their lives.
/r/ExRedPill14/09/21 06:49 AM
0

Would only work if your partner had equal feelings of attraction.
/r/ExRedPill11/09/21 12:54 AM
1

A reduction would be good, especially for guys in my position who struggle to attract women. I think it would alleviate the scarcity mindset l have.
/r/ExRedPill11/09/21 12:51 AM
1

That amount would be a dream for HL partners on the deadbedroom sub.
/r/ExRedPill11/09/21 12:49 AM
3

If he says it, it must be true lol. The litmus test for a man's attractiveness is his success with women. It has little to do with game, confidence or any PUA mindtrick, it's in the main about whether that initial spark of attraction happens, which is with your level of facial attractiveness.
/r/seduction10/09/21 01:13 PM
1

They look at you, they make excuses to touch you and talk talk to you. They do this because you were facially attractive to begin with. The muscles and physique enhance your attractiveness. I know this because I'm on the other side of the coin as far as looks go.
/r/ExRedPill10/09/21 01:05 PM
1

About which bit exactly?
/r/seduction10/09/21 12:58 PM
15

My personal experience. I started going to the gym many years ago after advice I'd read in books and websites, saying that women will notice you, will show you more interest, be more open to approaches etc. Guess what? Although I was happy with my physical results, none of this actually happened. My view is that muscles or a good physique are things that enhance your attractiveness, not make you attractive. If you're good looking to begin with, you will see the benefits, whereas an ugly guy just…
/r/ExRedPill09/09/21 08:24 PM
3

Like a fish out of water, and that what's the point - she's well out of my league.
/r/seduction09/09/21 11:53 AM
15

7) have good facial attractiveness
/r/seduction09/09/21 07:09 AM
-1

If you've been told by random people that you're ugly, on a few occasions, is that confirmation of ugliness?
/r/ExRedPill08/09/21 02:57 AM
-1

How do you know? There's more to ugliness than being disfigured. There's such a thing as baseline attractiveness. Below that is when the problems start.
/r/ExRedPill08/09/21 02:53 AM
-1

Good looking whiny guys still get dates. The relationship might not last long, with the whining, but they still get them.
/r/ExRedPill08/09/21 02:50 AM
2

Only if you're good looking will she be rooting for you. If you're not, she'll be hoping you bugger off.
/r/seduction07/09/21 12:29 PM
2

Regardless of being fat or bald, it's all in the face. You can't be average looking and get lots of admiring looks from women. The litmus test for attractiveness is how much attention women give you, with the more you get, the better looking you are.
/r/seduction07/09/21 12:27 PM
2

True. Trouble is you only get the eye if you're good looking. Potentially you could be waiting forever if you don't approach regardless.
/r/seduction07/09/21 09:28 AM
1

It's not ONLY 20% that are having sex, it's that they are having the majority of sex, which makes more sense. Not saying that the other 80% aren't having sex, just no where near as much as the top 20% men. The amount the 80% get will vary, and will get less and less the lower they fall on the looks scale.
/r/ExRedPill07/09/21 03:02 AM
5

It's a difficult situation to be in. I was never fully immersed in Red Pill culture, but their were certain views that rang true, and even to this day, it's difficult to find evidence to disprove some of these views.
/r/ExRedPill05/09/21 12:38 PM
1

Looks matter first and foremost, no matter what anyone will try to say differently. If you were to make a pie chart of what attracts women, looks would make up at least 60%, followed by confidence and personality etc.
/r/ExRedPill05/09/21 10:35 AM
6

I thought incel meant involuntary celibate, i.e. a man who wants to have sex, but can't find a willing partner. I think over time it has developed into an easy term of insult, or something sinister.
/r/ExRedPill05/09/21 10:31 AM
1

Looks are the component that increases a man's chances, not game.
/r/ExRedPill21/08/21 02:58 AM
1

A lot of these daygame coaches claim that women find it unusual to have a random man approach them in this way, will means they'll be more receptive. The irony of this is that central London is that saturated with daygamers, that it's not unheard of for a woman to be approached three or four times while she's out. I expect this is similar in other daygame popular cities, i.e. NYC.
/r/ExRedPill20/08/21 04:50 AM
2

Most people have pretty good faces Not really, otherwise there wouldn't be average and below average looking guys. Whereas I don't subscribe to the incel jawline and facial dimension rubbish, there is a baseline of what is considered attractive. It's difficult to describe. Maybe women would be the best to ask. There are features that would determine whether a man is conventionally attractive or not.
/r/seduction19/08/21 10:38 AM
1

Being hot includes: Hygiene. Dressing with style, accessories, body hair, haircut and/or beard, tattoos and/or piercings if that’s your thing. Body language. Voice. You missed the most important part. Good facial attractiveness.
/r/seduction19/08/21 09:52 AM
3

If male attractiveness to women was a pie chart, looks would make up at least 60% of it, with the reminder being confidence, personality, social skills etc.
/r/seduction19/08/21 09:49 AM
4

Agree totally. I'd forgotten about porn.
/r/ExRedPill16/08/21 05:09 AM
1

Beggars can't be choosers sometimes.
/r/seduction15/08/21 03:05 PM
2

If a good looking man cold approaches, this is acceptable in a woman's eyes, and will be welcomed. The approaches that women don't want are from the majority of men that don't meet their minimum high standards of looks.
/r/seduction14/08/21 12:53 PM
1

Good luck, brother. Hope you find a way out.
/r/ExRedPill14/08/21 11:12 AM
4

This tends to happen on forums that deal with problems and issues. All you end up with is a collection of sufferers of the same problem, and instead of offering advice or support, a lot of times it devolves into a who has it worse competition.
/r/ExRedPill14/08/21 07:03 AM
-1

Because looks make up 60% of the attraction package and process. The whole "confidence and personality are more important" claim is a lie.
/r/ExRedPill14/08/21 04:54 AM
-1

Not good looking enough for today's standards, unfortunately. I agree though. If I was on his level of looks, I'd be happier than I am now.
/r/ExRedPill14/08/21 04:52 AM
2

I think it's getting to the point where being an incel is recognised as being a mental illness, and is given the help and recognition it obviously deserves. Imagine if BPD, autistic or other sufferers of mental illnesses were disregarded, shamed and stigmatised the same way incels are? The longer this condition goes unchecked, the more of these shootings are going to occur, and even more so as the dating sphere continues to get increasingly imbalanced.
/r/ExRedPill14/08/21 04:50 AM
2

Assuming you have an online dating account, how many messages (in total, not just from guys you consider attractive) do you roughly get in a week?
/r/ExRedPill12/08/21 09:26 AM
2

Johnny Berba used to be the best. Was good at developing inner stuff rather than gimmicks and models. Most are in London unfortunately, due to the size, population and various types of women you'll encounter, especially from overseas.
/r/seduction12/08/21 05:26 AM
3

No. This falls under the Red Pill myth category.
/r/ExRedPill12/08/21 04:54 AM
1

small amount of men should be able to sleep with all of the women who's only option should be the one guy that's banging 20 other chicks Isn't this the 80/20 rule in a nutshell, and isn't probably far from what is actually happening?
/r/ExRedPill12/08/21 04:52 AM
1

For anyone who's read it, and isn't good looking at all, did the advice actually work? More aimed at guys who aren't in USA.
/r/seduction10/08/21 04:51 AM
4

I tend to have a foot in both camps. I treat people the way I would wish to be treated myself, which I suppose would be nice. BUT I avoid rocking the boat, and confrontation in general, for the sake of keeping the peace, and my boundary setting is non existent. This is an area I've tried to work on, without seeing any success.
/r/seduction09/08/21 11:45 PM
1

It's the same as casual sex, fuck buddies, one night stands etc - it's all about facial attractiveness. As the whole interaction is based around sex, it's normal that a woman will only consider it with the best looking men she has a choice of.
/r/seduction09/08/21 09:22 PM
1

A siderant I dislike the notion of redpill people talking looks is the only things that matter, I had seen time and time again how guys who look below average had a girlfriend who is beautiful smart and sexy. People need to understand looks is important when it comes to dating but it's not everything. Plenty of other factors come to play. Have a good week Below average guys with beautiful girlfriends are as rare as unicorn shit. It's definitely not the norm. If anything, it's the other way round…
/r/ExRedPill09/08/21 02:01 AM
0

Not true. Most ugly guys end up alone or struggling to find someone. Ugly girls have more opportunities. In most couples I know or see, the man is more attractive than the woman.
/r/ExRedPill08/08/21 11:04 AM
1

My advice to men is date all of them: the sluts, the shy ones, the weird ones, the ice queens. But don't marry them. The thing that makes a slutty woman with borderline personality disorder attractive does not make her a good wife. When it comes time to settle down, find someone who isn't going to make your life a nightmare." The truth and difference is that the majority of men won't get the chance or opportunity to try all these different kinds of women. The sad outlook for most men is "attract…
/r/ExRedPill08/08/21 10:55 AM
1

Is it just me, or does anyone view a man hitting on your partner, when he knows full well that she's with you, as an act is disrespect?
/r/askTRP08/08/21 02:54 AM
9

ugly or average guys with good looking girls Which is as rare as unicorn shit.
/r/seduction08/08/21 01:08 AM
3

Which is the same message that all the PUA coaches convey, along with authors of attraction / dating books. Every one I've read briefly touches on the looks issue, and tries to play it down, even the much lauded Models by Mark Manson. If they tried telling the truth, it would be like killing the goose that laid the golden egg.
/r/ExRedPill07/08/21 06:59 AM
1

Only from guys' experiences, mine included. It is difficult to attract women of any levels, if you are average and below looking. The further down the attractiveness scale you fall, the harder it becomes.
/r/ExRedPill07/08/21 06:45 AM
1

True, but like I say it's from my personal experiences of dating, or trying to date, and observations based on my location.
/r/ExRedPill07/08/21 02:28 AM
1

I think leagues are a bit of a general concept. Just that people tend to date and marry in their socioeconomic class, with someone around their level of looks. From experience, leagues definitely do exist, probably more so for men in relation to the the women they date. I also find that in the majority of couples I see or know, the man is more attractive than the woman.
/r/ExRedPill07/08/21 12:37 AM
1

Sadly a lot of what they say is true.
/r/ExRedPill07/08/21 12:34 AM
-1

I think blackpill offers the truth that many don't like to acknowledge, although it doesn't really offer any advice on improving, as basically it is what it is. Although I wouldn't call myself blackpiiled, there's a lot I agree with. Looks matter the most (more than ever). 80/20 rule - I've seen evidence of this a few times. Technology has given women the ultimate advantage in dating. Average and below looking men are going to struggle in relationships, and especially sex. Facial attractiveness …
/r/ExRedPill02/08/21 07:40 AM
1

I'd say you are a liar.
/r/seduction31/07/21 08:31 AM
1

I've seen evidence of the 80/20 rule on many occasions, when it comes to women finding men attractive, whether it be school, uni, workplace or social gatherings. Situations where there is an even number of men and women of varying levels of attractiveness, the majority of the women will be drawn to the most attractive percentage of the men there. It's not difficult or unrealistic to assume that the same applies to sex too.
/r/ExRedPill28/07/21 10:33 AM
1

Not virgins but guys whose sexual experiences are few and far between, and become more scarce the lower down the attractiveness scale they fall.
/r/ExRedPill28/07/21 12:40 AM
1

Not sure about the one night stands. I still think facial attractiveness is king. Women have endless options and choices for casual sex, especially on a night out. Only makes sense that they'll choose the best looking man available. Physical fitness will come into play, but in third place behind looks and confidence.
/r/ExRedPill30/06/21 10:59 PM
6

This 100%. Lifting weights is massively overplayed in RP thinking. The only men that increase their attractiveness by hitting the gym, are those that were good looking to start with. For the remaining men, by all means hit the gym, but do it for the right reasons, and not some false hope that it will make you attractive to women. It won't. I'd be interested to know how many men in gyms are there because they want to get fit, or there because they read some bullshit on the internet.
/r/ExRedPill29/06/21 11:42 PM
5

It's all in the face. It's as simple as that. You can have all the confidence, intelligence, niceness etc that you want, but if you're looking at what makes a man attractive, it's good looks that are cause and effect.
/r/ExRedPill29/06/21 12:11 PM
-4

Calvin Harris isn't an ugly guy, which reinforces my point. He looks better now with muscles, because the muscles enhance his attractiveness. Doesn't work with ugly men because there's nothing to enhance.
/r/ExRedPill27/06/21 09:15 PM
-2

Men have more work to do because of the 80/20 rule. They're competing with the top 20% of men for the chance of success with women. Some women put a lot of work in to attract men, but once again it's aimed at attracting the top 20%. In reality though, nearly all women will have an abundance of options with minimal effort.
/r/ExRedPill27/06/21 09:10 PM
1

Exactly. This is advice that a mum would give her son.
/r/ExRedPill27/06/21 08:38 PM
-3

Wrong. It's looks that get your foot in the door, and causes that initial spark of attraction. Not saying that success is guaranteed, or that you're home and dry if you have good looks, but women are more forgiving of the flaws in the personality of a good looking man, than one who's average or below. It's far easier to attract women through looks than it is through personality. Also, the importance of muscles only really comes into play if a man is attractive. An ugly guy who hits the gym becom…
/r/ExRedPill27/06/21 08:35 PM
-4

You are obviously a good looking man, to have had that much success from cold approach. Women generally welcome approaches in public settings from attractive men. If an average or below looking man tries the same, it's regarded as creepy and borderline sexual harassment.
/r/ExRedPill27/06/21 12:45 AM
1

Dating as a single mom is very hard. Dating as an ugly woman is very hard. This is wrong. They might not be the guys they actually want, but women of all levels have plenty of options.
/r/seduction24/06/21 02:41 PM
0

Be good looking, and in the top 20%
/r/seduction24/06/21 02:37 PM
2

I have a good profile. It's not that which lets me down.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/21 05:16 AM
23

Women won't read the profile, if the looks aren't there to start with. Even with shitty photos, it's possible to tell if a man is good looking or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/21 03:57 AM
1

They're not. In most couples I know or see, the man is more attractive than the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/21 03:53 AM
1

There will be war eventually. War is the equivalent of a reset button for the human race.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/21 08:31 AM
0

Sexual attraction in a relationship is the difference between a good sex life and a deadbedroom. For men looking for casual sex, they can get by without sexual attraction. Not so for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 01:09 PM
0

I've seen the 80/20 rule played out on more than one occasion. Online dating is proof of this.
/r/ExRedPill18/06/21 12:56 PM
4

A lot of relationships, where the woman settled, usually end up as deadbedroom relationships, mainly due to the woman not being physically and sexually attracted like she was when she was with the top tier men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 12:42 PM
2

Lots of ugly or otherwise average people having loads of sex. Maybe true, but not lots, and the number is declining. This is mainly due to the times we live in. Women have more choices and options than ever, and don't want or need ugly and average.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/21 03:00 AM
6

Muscles only enhance a man's attractiveness if he's good looking to start with. An ugly guy who hits the gym becomes an ugly man with muscles. It's facial attractiveness over a good physique all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 02:29 AM
10

Obviously not, it’s due to most zoomer males being so complacent jerking off browsing Reddit and playing video games their whole lives to even care about getting laid The guys doing this aren't doing it because they haven't any interest in meeting women, they're doing it because meeting any intersted women is too difficult these days. Rightly or wrongly, they're just taking the easy way out.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 01:39 AM
4

So now women are going out more than men Yet bars and clubs still remain a sausage fest.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 02:23 AM
0

Personally I think prostitutes or escorts are your best bet. Ok there's risk involved, legally, but I'd imagine that the cops have bigger fish to fry, especially if it's done discretely.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 02:20 AM
2

You don’t have to be handsome to get laid, you just have to find a woman who thinks you are? In principle, this is very true, but the trouble is the lower a man falls in the looks scale, the less chances there are of finding a woman who thinks he's handsome. I don't believe that it's impossible for an ugly guy to get laid, but I do believe it's extremely difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 03:01 AM
3

Your worth is not defined by the amount of sexual partners you have. It's easy to say if you regularly have sex, or find it easy to get. For those of us who struggle to have sex, it's like an outsider looking in. Probably wouldn't be as bad if sex wasn't so normalised by the media.
/r/ExRedPill09/06/21 10:05 AM
3

The numbers could actually be far worse and skewed, given that women play down the number of sex partners they have, and men tend to exaggerate theirs.
/r/ExRedPill09/06/21 07:38 AM
3

3/10 at best. Face, with particular reference to asymmetrical eyes and weird shaped jaw. Been told I look like ex British footballer, turned pundit, Steve Claridge. Don't know anyone who looks like me, but I imagine so.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 02:54 AM
4

Most men realistically aren't chasing the top tier women, they just want A woman, but even those of equal or lower attractiveness are difficult to get.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 11:44 PM
1

Only the most delusional ones think that this is a possibility. I think in the main, and especially in the modern dating climate, most ugly guys are realistic as to the type of woman they have a chance with.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 08:31 PM
1

Ugly guys going for ugly women. Isn't this a case of looksmatch? I see plenty of comments saying how men should aim for their realistic level, so what's the problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 02:50 PM
4

Especially those who were dating in pre-internet times, and now see the possibilities and what they've missed out on.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 08:34 AM
3

Why do you think it stops at 50? While men's dicks still work, there'll always be the desire for pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 08:10 AM
–

Ask yourself, would a good looking guy be hindered by bad fitting clothes and goofy shoes? Absolutely not, same as good fitting clothes, decent haircut on an ugly man won't make him good looking. It's all in the face.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 11:45 PM
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For guys, the same principle applies for the self-reported penis size studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 09:31 PM
8

I've had too many regrets, and feelings of resentment, anger and frustration to say I've had or have a happy life. I'm not suicidal by any means, but if life is a game of golf, I'm glad I'm on the back nine. I'm at an age where I can't see any potential for a truly happy life, even if I were to improve my arse off.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 12:00 AM
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A lot of deadbedrooms are the result of one partner having never been attracted to the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 11:36 PM
6

Self-reported though. How many of these are sexless men too embarrassed to admit the truth?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 11:21 PM
18

Probably because the less attractive women aren't attracted to them. A lot of women in this bracket would sooner stay single, and hope they meet a good looking man, than settle for someone they have more chance with.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 11:18 PM
1

insecure / timid / supplicating guys don’t get laid They do if they're good looking enough. Maybe not as often as equivalent looking guys with confidence, but there'll be women who show interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/21 10:05 AM
4

I disagree. A lot of it comes down to your upbringing prior to kinder and school. I certainly don't recall any red pill thoughts back then. Wasn't until Google became a thing that I discovered red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/21 04:27 AM
2

Not just the missing out, but the anger, sadness, regret and frustration that goes with it. For me, and after growing up in pre-internet times, it's also wishing that I knew then what I know now, at an age where it could have made a lot of difference.
/r/ExRedPill03/06/21 11:06 PM
2

Exactly. I trust men far less than I trust women, especially when the potential for sex is involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/21 02:55 AM
3

You'd need to somehow ban or artificially restrict dating apps, social media and suchlike. The best idea anyone has had in ages.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/21 02:44 AM
1

Thanks for that. There was one more I thought of - how do they generally open the approach? Is it a standard script, some cheesy pick up line, a compliment, or something situational?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/21 12:53 AM
2

I find this fascinating and curious, as I'm of a similar age, but don't have the balls to approach women in public. How old are the guys approaching you? How often does it happen? Is it obvious they're hitting on you, or is it sometimes just conversation? What sort of places are you approached? Streets, shopping centres, supermarkets, and is it in a big city? Have you ever been attracted or tempted by any of the guys approaching?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 11:41 PM
1

If women aren't into you from the start, it's game over. The seduction process only starts if she likes the way you look, and you have a foot in the door.
/r/ExRedPill30/05/21 07:52 AM
1

Did being his friend, especially at parties, help your dating / sex life in any way, or were you practically invisible in the girls' eyes?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/21 06:22 AM
-7

Metoo went the same way, and so will BLM / Antifa.
/r/ExRedPill29/05/21 10:37 AM
3

Confidence is bred in childhood and adolescence, and is a result of good looks, popularity and how well you're treated by others or family. All of these are interlinked, and without one (especially good looks) it's difficult to have the others. If by the time you reach adulthood, and you haven't been able to develop confidence, it is extremely difficult to change things. The often mentioned fake it till you make it is bullshit, and rarely works. Women can see fake confidence from a mile away.
/r/ExRedPill28/05/21 02:14 AM
2

I think there definitely needs to be restrictions on getting access. Too many minors are easily able to access of porn levels, and it has becoming noticeable in relationships they have. For many kids, their sex education comes from pornhub.
/r/ExRedPill27/05/21 09:04 PM
0

For a fair few women they supply all these hoops that need to be jumped through, whist all they do is simply show up. The worst is the looks standard, where a 3 or 4 won't consider any guy less than a 7. In their defence though, I partly blame higher tier guys giving these women interest, and at the same time inflating their entitlement.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 10:43 AM
4

Probably more common than you think. When men from pre-internet days, and who had limited access to pussy, suddenly read information that they've never had before, relating to attracting women and so on, it's going to make a difference.
/r/ExRedPill27/05/21 02:47 AM
2

NSW were also looking at making begging and nagging for sex an offence too. The prisons would be full of married men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 12:41 AM
1

I think it depends on a man's sexual past, or lack of. A guy from pre-internet days, who generally struggled with women, or whose only experience was in a couple of very LTR, will see all the information about being successful with women (red pill theory, PUA etc), and try to make up for lost time, or missed opportunities and regrets.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 12:34 AM
1

A bona fide method to teach nice guys to become bad boys, would rake in $millions. Would have to be actionable methods, and not just words and filler.
/r/ExRedPill26/05/21 02:59 AM
8

But as a man, if you want that 7-9 chick, you genuilely need to have your life together, look the part, probably be 6ft+ for most of them And meet a laundry list of requirments that these girls have... For the majority of men, going after these women is a pointless and frustrating exercise, and their time would be best served by going for women they have a realistic chance with.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/21 10:30 PM
1

You could also say the same to British and Aussie men too. Where do you suggest they go to find these adoring women? Asia or eastern Europe?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/21 12:44 AM
-2

Everything I see in every day life is the total opposite to what you said. Maybe a location thing I don't know. Where I am the man is nearly always the most attractive in a couple, and ugly / obese guys struggle to get anything.
/r/ExRedPill24/05/21 02:53 AM
5

Muscles only enhance a man's attractiveness if he's good looking to start with. They won't make an average to below looking man any more attractive. They'll just become average to below looking men with muscles.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 01:22 AM
-3

Looks only get your foot in the door. Yes, but that's the most important part, if a man is going to have success. If she doesn't find him initially attractive, the door stays shut regardless.
/r/ExRedPill23/05/21 11:47 PM
-10

The only reality is that looks matter the most, when trying to attract a woman.
/r/ExRedPill23/05/21 10:48 PM
1

I had a partner who had a lot higher SMV. Never again. Sounds a great situation to be in, but the cons outweighed the pros.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/21 11:23 AM
4

If staying married is a yardstick for success, how many partners in these "successful " marriages are actually happy?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/21 02:31 PM
3

American PUA's have also had problems in the UK, especially with British girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 11:14 AM
1

Australia and UK have the same issues as USA. Rest of Europe, mostly the same too.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 11:12 AM
1

There's many examples where it doesn't become an issue until after marriage. Bait and switch is the term, I believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 12:20 PM
1

What if the partner has no intention of having more sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 09:44 AM
3

Agree. Attractive is the key word here.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 11:44 PM
2

I fall at the first hurdle.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 11:43 PM
3

Trouble is that sex is portrayed in the media as something that is important, good, and something that is relatively easily available to "normal" people. Unfortunately there's a section of society (of which the majority are men), who struggle to have sex and have experiences opposite to what the media tell us. Consequently, it's not just an obsession with having sex, but the desire for guys to feel normal, instead of outliers.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 02:57 AM
4

This is generally reserved for the top tier men. For all others, it's generally the men doing the initiating, as the sexual attraction is not as strong in these relationships. The strength of how sexually attracted a woman is in a relationship, is indicated in the quantity and quality of the sex, and how enthusiastic the woman is. I'm convinced this is the root cause of the problems in the deadbedrooms sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 08:18 AM
3

Then the individuals who entered that relationship made a mistake on both sides-- the LL person made the mistake of marrying someone who they aren't compatible with and the HL person made the same mistake. If your reply is going to be "women are LL more on average" then i will agree and say most people shouldn't marry, only people with matching libidos. It's not uncommon for LL partners to adopt a HL persona during the dating process, only to return to their normal state, once the HL partner has…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 08:10 AM
1

To be honest, there's a lot of stuff I know about now, I hadn't heard of pre-internet. PUA, daygame, cold approaches, red pill and everything else. Was everything that fuelled the metoo bullshit as prevalent before the internet, or did all this new knowledge, and access to information that wasn't as freely available, open a Pandora's box?
/r/ExRedPill16/05/21 06:40 AM
1

Scrap the internet and start again from the beginning. Get back to basics. Online dating, social media and unrestricted access to porn is when it started going downhill.
/r/ExRedPill16/05/21 02:01 AM
2

Looks are far more important than height any day. A good looking shorter guy will have more success than the ugly tall man.
/r/ExRedPill16/05/21 01:58 AM
4

I've heard some of them claim looks don't matter, As soon as they say this, you know they can't be taken seriously.
/r/ExRedPill16/05/21 01:51 AM
9

Having seen a few therapists, I'm dubious as to the intention of some of those. I've had the impression that some are willing to keep on seeing you, even if they're unsure about how to treat the issue you're suffering with. Not saying therapy can't be useful, but a lot of it is hit and miss.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 12:04 AM
3

I'm guessing they're all good looking?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/21 08:46 AM
2

Overplayed how?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/21 08:42 AM
5

Interesting view. A reply I had in here, months ago, said the opposite- if I lived in the city, instead of the suburbs, I'd find it easier to get laid due to more opportunities.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/21 07:30 AM
2

Not at all. It will only help if you're good looking to start with.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/21 07:18 AM
4

If you want something serious, look for casual. If you want something casual, look for casual. Whatever you do, just go for casual Trouble is, for guys outside the top tier, casual isn't really an option, or is at best a rarity. For many guys, a relationship is usually the only way they can be with a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/21 02:52 AM
2

Very few women find me attractive, therefore I have limited options. Casual sex or one night stands have never been available to me. Everything said about the 80/20 rule I find to be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/21 11:37 PM
-1

There are red pill therapists out there. Not many, but they exist.
/r/ExRedPill12/05/21 09:35 AM
1

Have a look on the deadbedrooms sub. It's littered with loads of examples of this situation. Resentment from the high libido partner in the relationship, who isn't getting much sex because the other half isn't attracted to them, or the unattractive partner who feels obliged to have sex with someone they don't really want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/21 11:30 PM
1

This thinking creates the huge chance of the relationship ending up sexless. I see this played out so many times, and just usually ends in resentment. You need that physical / sexual attraction to have a better chance of success.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/21 10:01 PM
2

I stand by what I said. Even the guy in example 3 would struggle. His niceness, albeit genuine, would be perceived as fake by some women, or just as an act of politeness. Either way, his actions would do little to spark any sexual attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/21 12:51 PM
2

Would being in a sexless relationship constitute a form of abuse, providing it wasn't a result of health reasons? Personally, I think sexlessness is a justified reason to cheat, especially if attempts to rectify the situation have proved unsuccessful.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/21 12:17 PM
2

Leagues exist when it comes to attracting partners. Unfortunately a lot of people (women especially) refuse to accept their league, and try to date out of it. This then brings a number of problems.
/r/ExRedPill10/05/21 08:48 AM
3

because they are shameless when it comes to push boundaries, they say edgy jokes, they hint at sex every time they open their mouths and are confortable getting physicall with girls and they can do this because they don't give a fuck basically. This is the polar opposite of what I'm like. I wish I could adopt or learn these traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/21 02:58 AM
4

I see women every day with really plain men, and I'm like yeah, this guy obviously isn't rich or handsome but he's still good enough. Where I am, it's the opposite. In the majority of couples I see or know, the man is more attractive than the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/21 02:54 AM
3

But these guys still don't get laid, and are invisible to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/21 02:49 AM
8

I reckon that figure is a bit high, especially where I'm from.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/21 02:44 AM
1

Glasgow? Hardly the safest city to live.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 11:45 PM
12

Can't speak for men everywhere, but where I am men seem to be making improvements to themselves, by going to the gym, and presenting and dressing better. It's more noticeable than a decade or so ago. On that basis, I'd say that standards have risen to the point that the average man can't keep up or hope to reach.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 11:41 PM
1

Or guys who will lower their standards to what is achievable.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 10:16 PM
22

As kids these days seem to be taught that everyone's a winner, and there are no losers, I doubt very much they'll be taught that looks matter. Anything that suggests inequality is very much forbidden, hence the lack of resilience in today's children.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 10:15 PM
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To be fair to our parents, looks weren't set to such high standards as they are today. They basically dated people who lived in the area, socialised with or worked with. The choice wasn't there like it is today.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 10:11 PM
1

Go on the deadbedrooms sub and ask this question. The HL guys there would ask where they could find these women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/21 10:15 PM
4

Sounds like a good looking beta guy who got lucky.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/21 09:28 AM
19

To me Going to a bar and getting drinks/appetizers, vibing with the chick and then she letting you smash anytime you want>>>>paying 400 dollars every time to have sex. Good advice, but for a lot of men, this sort of thing isn't possible. Picking up random women in bars is only for the higher tier guys. As for the rest of what you say, prostitution can be the cost effective option. The man stuck in a deadbedroom relationship would probably find this to be the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/21 09:43 PM
3

settled for, untill better option comes around? Sounds like how women act too.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/21 11:54 AM
0

Do you get interest from guys who are far higher on the scale?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/21 07:36 AM
70

True. You never know how these scenarios are going to play out. May all end well, but on the flip side you could end up being killed, or unintentionally killing the other guy. Would the woman you've stepped in to protect, visit you in prison? Very much doubt it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/21 07:26 AM
2

Not the Chads. Was thinking of those in the next tier down. The 6 and 7's. Decent enough looking guys, but without the confidence to go for women on their level.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/21 07:20 AM
4

Good looking guys punching below their weight on dating apps, in the hope of a safer option with less chance of rejection, haven't helped matters. The result is these low tier women thinking that they're entitled to these good looking guys, and seriously thinking that they've a chance of a relationship with them. Things will continue to get worse for the majority of single men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/21 07:10 AM
1

Not hate, but it's been the bane of most of my life. The resentment, frustration, rejection and frequent disappointment that I've regularly experienced, not to mention the failed attempt of improving myself to attract women, has regularly caused me to question whether it's all worth it and wish I could just live without it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/21 04:33 AM
0

Agree. I tend to leave the "o" out of the word "count".
/r/ExRedPill05/05/21 03:00 AM
1

My philosophy is to treat people how I would wish to be treated myself. Unfortunately it gets me taken for granted, and taken advantage of.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/21 11:44 PM
2

This is where bad boys become attractive. Everything they do is the opposite of boring, no matter how reckless or risk averse they are, and which is why woman of all levels of upbringing and intelligence fall for them. Despite complaining about bad boy's behaviour, women are constantly attracted to the excitement it brings.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/21 11:03 PM
1

You can improve to the best possible version of yourself, but if you don't have the minimum facial attractiveness, you'll remain invisible to the majority of women.
/r/ExRedPill04/05/21 02:48 AM
10

I reckon those in bracket 3 and 4 will get approached the most. A lot of guys doing cold approaches, tend not to have the confidence to go for the really hot women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/21 01:55 AM
1

Tinder / other apps, bars and clubs, social circle, workplace or schools.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/21 01:47 AM
7

Reckon the majority will be daygamers, especially if she's in a big city.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/21 01:44 AM
-1

Depends on location. If it's a city that is daygame based e.g. London and New York, then it will happen more than in other areas. Can't confirm how true this is, but a friend told me that a reasonably attractive woman can be approached by daygamers three or four times if she's wandering around the tourist areas of London. I think the #metoo bullshit, and the risk of being accused of sexual harassment has put a number of guys off, but the whole cold approach in public is still a thing. As far as …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/21 11:44 PM
1

True, but I meant access to sex on a regular basis. Many men struggle to get into relationships, let alone casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/21 10:29 PM
6

But apart from prostitution, sex isn't available to every man.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/21 10:51 AM
-3

i really really would like to ask these people in real life if they know there's men in the dating scene who just want to pump and dump, men who likes to spinning plates, men who only wanna use women only for sex, woman who got taken advantadge by men ??? These are the top 20% guys that are able to do this. Men outside this top tier struggle in comparison, with the struggle getting greater, the lower down the attractiveness scale they fall.
/r/ExRedPill02/05/21 10:43 AM
3

Take fame and money away, and ugly guys can get ONS with absolutely no one. Ugly girls may not get the top tier men, but will be able to find a man who is of a higher attractiveness level to sleep with.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/21 08:12 AM
5

Ugly women can't get one night stands? Yeah right.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/21 06:46 AM
1

I don't buy it. Ugly women have a far greater chance of getting into a relationship than ugly men do. Admittedly a lot of guys do use them for an easy fuck, however there's still guys out there who will find them attractive enough for a relationship, whether it be men of equal looks, or higher. Unfortunately women of that level of attractiveness still feel entitled to attractive men, and feel insulted at the type of guys that are interested in them. FWIW there's hardly any women I come across th…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/21 06:44 AM
5

Men aiming for women lower than their level of attractiveness, because they think it will reduce their chances of rejection. This happens a lot and has created difficulties for guys at the lower end of the attractiveness scale. Men should have minimum standards, which should be women of at least equal attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/21 12:40 AM
2

The difference I found is that it wasn't as difficult to meet women. The choice wasn't there for women, like today. Sure they got chatted up by men in bars etc, but that was about it. The average to below looking girl getting approached or interest from the hot guys just didn't happen. The only time it did was at the end of the night, in the club, from guys looking for a desperation fuck. Was not perfect, and by no means easy, but the hoops and hurdles that the majority of guys today have to ove…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/21 12:24 PM
1

Worse in what way? I'm from a similar era and don't think things were as bad as they are today.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/21 06:37 AM
1

For the blind hope that he's securing the love and loyalty of a woman, and a regular good sex life. This applies to an average or below looking man who manages to get into a relationship with a woman who's out of his league.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/21 02:17 AM
1

And women who appear to be normal, rational and intelligent, and who have careers.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/21 02:14 AM
1

Women in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/21 11:04 PM
1

men are full of shit when it comes to the subject of how many they slept it, i don't believe any guy who says he is a player because i've found out later so many were lying. A lot of truth here. Any research that is based on self reported stats has to be viewed with scepticism, especially relating to sex. Men will exaggerate their numbers to avoid looking like a failure. Women will downplay their numbers to avoid looking like a slut,
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/21 10:23 PM
7

They don't bed many women, they bed a few on an occasional basis, and more often than not it's "getting lucky". Should also be mentioned that average men tend to go for relationships rather than casual sex, as the former is usually the easier option for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/21 10:03 AM
3

Tall, ugly men are more successful than short, good looking men?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/21 05:22 AM
1

Dating down and up is nearly all about looks. In the majority of couples I see or know, it would seem that women date up, or at worst equal. Rarely do they date down. For the men in these couples, dating down is the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/21 02:51 AM
2

Ugly men are worse off than short men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/21 02:45 AM
1

Which explains how I am, then.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/21 11:46 PM
3

Face first and foremost. Everything else is a distant second / third etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 11:46 PM
1

Still need good looks to get a relationship. It wouldn't change anything. The top tier men would still hold all the cards.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 11:45 PM
2

No different in Australia or UK.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 10:28 PM
1

Hit on girls? Yes. Good looks? No.
/r/seduction26/04/21 08:27 PM
1

Without good looks "game" is nothing.
/r/seduction26/04/21 12:07 PM
1

Over 700 is the rule of thumb.
/r/seduction26/04/21 06:41 AM
2

I'm not saying that a woman will always go for a better looking man, providing she is with a guy who she is attracted to in the first place. I'm always sceptical when I read comments that say "I wasn't attracted to him at the start, but I grew to love him over time, blah blah etc", or something like that. To me that's the recipe for a doomed relationship, especially when it comes to intimacy.
/r/ExRedPill26/04/21 12:14 AM
2

They are for creating attraction, which is critical in relationships. Some say that attraction can be built through personality over time, but that runs a big risk of just settling and eventual resentment. Too many deadbedroom situations are a result of there never being any real attraction in the first place. For casual sex and FWB etc, looks are essential.
/r/ExRedPill25/04/21 11:40 PM
1

Why? What has been said that isn't the truth?
/r/ExRedPill25/04/21 11:21 PM
-5

It's because looks matter and they are everything.
/r/ExRedPill25/04/21 10:00 PM
8

Crock of shit.
/r/seduction25/04/21 12:34 PM
1

For most guys they will say the same, but deep down they're just going for the girls. Yours is a difficult mindset to truly achieve.
/r/seduction25/04/21 12:33 PM
1

Wouldn't work in the UK.
/r/seduction25/04/21 12:30 PM
1

I meant as a fix for men to end their lack of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 12:07 AM
1

A number of women aren't keen on that idea of a fix.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/21 11:30 PM
1

This is wrong. It's all about genetics. Admittedly a good looking guy is going to improve his looks if he loses weight, but his baseline good looks will be there regardless. On the other hand, an ugly guy isn't going to become attractive whether he loses weight or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/21 11:22 PM
3

Lukaszewski and his co-authors created a photo database of shirtless or tanktop-wearing male college students, all from the University of California at Santa Barbara. The men’s heads were digitally obscured. Do the same survey and show the faces. My theory is that good looking and good physique = golden, but I reckon good looking skinny or slightly overweight will trump ugly and good physique nearly always. Looks are way more important than a good physique.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/21 04:28 AM
1

It never ceases to amaze me that the higher libido people think that the lower libido people (or even their own partner) think that sex is being withheld from them out of spite or some sort of game. As if actually not wanting sex is impossible. I have a lot of sympathy for the HL people in deadbedroom relationships, whether it be a man or woman. Some of the stories are tragic, with some reporting years between sex. Unless there's medical or other reasons (new children etc) these HL partners are …
/r/ExRedPill23/04/21 11:16 PM
-1

Hardly fair having a dig or poking fun at guys who obviously have problems in finding a partner to be intimate with. Strikes me that it's similar to a rich person poking fun at a homeless person, or an able bodied person mocking someone who's disabled.
/r/ExRedPill23/04/21 03:47 PM
1

Average and below looking guys struggle to date one woman, never mind multiple.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/21 01:35 PM
1

With all these comments about height, does the modern woman go on a date with a tape measure in her bag, just to make sure he is 5'10, and not 5'9 or lower?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/21 02:28 AM
0

For men outside the top tier, a relationship could be the only way of having sex. Guys in this bracket can't do down the casual sex or FWB route.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/21 02:22 AM
1

There's more stigma attached to being unattractive, these days, especially for men. Everything seems to be focused on good looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/21 02:17 AM
3

When Gillette jumped on the toxic masculinity bandwagon, it highlighted the misconceptions. By all means call out sexist and violent behaviour, but including talking to women in public?
/r/ExRedPill23/04/21 12:11 AM
0

If men want sex they can do one night stands,do friends with benefits, or pay hookers. Unless you're a good looking guy, only the last one is an option. The first two are out of reach for average to below looking men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 11:07 PM
1

1) No 2) Yes because looking back it was an indicator that the majority of women aren't attracted to me, and that I'd have dating troubles throughout my life. 3) Late 40s 4) M
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 09:24 PM
5

Those in deadbedroom marriages/ relationships should be allowed to, however this should also apply to women in similar situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 08:22 PM
2

The fact that you have dated multiple women is proof alone that you are actually good looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 08:19 PM
1

Admittedly he toned it down with his later stuff, but Married Man Sex Life Primer was total RP.
/r/ExRedPill22/04/21 08:13 PM
1

Women only need to go to those lengths if they are competing for Chad. They can do do the basic stuff, with less effort and expense, and still get plenty of male attention, albeit not from Chad. Men outside the top tier have to present themselves as the best version in the hope of attracting the women who don't have to make much of an effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 02:52 AM
1

Both sides are to blame. Guys giving attention to girls way lower than their level in the hope of an easy lay, thus creating a false entitlement for the type of guy they think they deserve. Girls for over inflating their actual attractiveness level, and disregarding guys in their league because they think that Chad is the type of guy they should be with, and when they can't, they just stay single.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 01:24 AM
4

Back then: Looks mattered but were less important and not as high as today's standards. I'd have no chance today if I was aiming for the type of girl I was dating back then. It was possible to attract women through confidence and personality. Also, there was little choice, so basically you dated in your area with the women you met in day to day life. People were more sociable. Conversations could be had on the street, on public transport, shops etc without the metoo rubbish or being labelled a c…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 12:22 AM
2

No choice. The women that a majority of men are attracted to, don't find them attractive, so men have no option but to aim lower and settle. Hence the number of couples where the man is more attractive than the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 11:43 PM
8

Far higher these days. The minimum standards in all areas have risen considerably, especially looks. As someone who was dating in pre-internet / OLD / social media times, the differences and increased difficulty in meeting women are very noticeable, and not in a better way for the majority of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 10:37 PM
12

Even the most resilient guy will likely struggle with rejection after rejection.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 02:45 AM
2

No stats. I can only go by the couples I know, and that I see in every day life.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 02:41 AM
12

The problem is that men are prepared to date down, whereas women tend to date up. This is why in the majority of couples, the man is more attractive than the woman. For guys who are average or below looking, this is where the problem area is.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 12:45 AM
3

They are, but so are a sizeable number of Aussie men. The women I see usually have better looking partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 02:45 AM
2

In the suburbs of one of the big Australian cities.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 02:33 AM
5

The majority of guys in relationships are more attractive than their partners. That's what I see where I live.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 01:29 AM
2

and they all looked at me like I was shit or whatever. Yep. This sounds about right for entitled girls.
/r/seduction19/04/21 12:51 AM
1

Yes, but I know my limitations. I reasonably know my level of attractiveness, based on the type of women I've been successful with. Therefore I don't go after the 7's and above. Women, now more than ever, have this skewed perception of the type of men they feel entitled to. Too many average or below looking women just want the top 20% guys and won't settle for less. Men are partly to blame for this, especially through OLD. Guys aiming well below their level of attractiveness, for a safer bet and…
/r/ExRedPill18/04/21 10:46 PM
1

Athol Kay
/r/ExRedPill18/04/21 02:21 AM
2

Go to a club on a weekend, or just use OLD. A woman will get as much sex therapy as she needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 12:01 AM
1

Hated school, so it definitely wasn't for the education. In the latter stages I would have liked a dating/sex life, but I didn't have one.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 02:38 AM
2

This is the situation that many deadbedroom guys are in. A wife that has no intention of having sex, but no way is the husband allowed to watch porn, as it's classed as "cheating ".
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 11:44 PM
1

I heard about this study before . It's bullshit. See what happens when you show the men's faces. The results would change definitely. Looks are more desirable than muscles any day. A good looking skinny or slightly overweight guy will get more female interest than an average or below looking man with a great physique. Muscles only enhance a man's attractiveness, not creates it.
/r/ExRedPill12/04/21 08:36 PM
14

Another reason is the increasing number of older men stuck in deadbedroom marriages. Rather than risk getting asset raped in the divorce court, either by ending the marriage or having an affair, they take the minimum risk by paying for their sex fix.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 02:15 AM
3

Self reported data. There will be a percentage of women and men that will lie about their numbers, with women under reporting and men exaggerating their sexual activity. My guessing is there's far more sexless men out there, and far less sexless women than the stats will tell you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 04:42 AM
3

As low as it takes until I start seeing results. It's unfortunate the way it is for below average looking guys in the modern dating world.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 11:27 PM
1

Now I’m in my forties This explains a lot. You're from an era where OLD and social media either didn't exist or were in their infancy. Back then although looks were still important, today's high standards didn't exist, and it was still possible to have success with women even if you weren't top tier. Whether you would have had similar success if you were actively looking to meet women in this era is debatable.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 08:38 AM
1

TRP will tell you to lift weights.
/r/ExRedPill10/04/21 01:19 AM
2

How can an average to below looking man get unshakable confidence?
/r/ExRedPill10/04/21 12:51 AM
4

Women would be more forgiving to the unconfident and insecure part than they would be to a non attractive guy with similar issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 12:35 AM
2

Relationships yes. Casual sex or one night stands, never. What about you?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 12:32 AM
4

Facial attractiveness in a man is worth far more than a good physique. If you have both, you're golden.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 04:14 PM
4

Very rarely. It's usually the other way round.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 04:12 PM
1

I'm in Australia, and it's becoming more common to get in shape. Gyms are big business here.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 04:11 PM
4

This is also what causes my unattractiveness. From experience, good facial attractiveness, in a man, is the number one component when the subject of looks is discussed / debated.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 12:21 PM
6

So for someone (like me) who is unattractive to start with, everything else is going to be futile or make little difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 09:03 AM
23

Attractiveness creates success, which generates confidence. This sentence alone sums up why attractive men are so successful with women, and why the opposite is the case for unattractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 04:46 AM
8

What was the "secret"?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 04:42 AM
38

The ugly female vegetables still want the attractive male version. Not saying that men don't want the hottest women, but they're more realistic as to what is actually achievable, and are more willing to stay within their league, or lower.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 04:36 AM
26

It's all down to looks. Those men that are blessed with good looks get to enjoy casual sex. Those that aren't, don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 04:32 AM
2

Unlucky = bottom tier.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 04:29 AM
11

So which are the guys who are getting ghosted before a date? The bottom tier guys? I'm guessing the guys in this bracket never get a break in the dating world, no matter what age group of women they're trying to meet.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 11:15 PM
1

Or desperate and very doubtful that he will get much access to sex, if he loses this woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 07:18 AM
1

No. Most below average women end up with average or above men. Below average looking guys either get lucky or stay single. Women date up, not down.
/r/ExRedPill07/04/21 03:00 AM
4

How does Guy#2 look compared to Guy#1? Better or worse?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 02:52 AM
8

Which is why I use my right hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/21 03:08 AM
1

Probably the best advice a struggling guy could get. There is a lot of truth in this.
/r/ExRedPill02/04/21 10:15 PM
2

On rare occasions, and the scarcity of sex is dependent on how low down the attractiveness scale these guys fall. There's no doubt that the top tier men are enjoying the pick and quantity of sex partners, and the women that are attracted to them would sooner stay single than lower themselves to sleeping with an average looking guy or lower.
/r/ExRedPill02/04/21 12:32 PM
1

What OP is saying is correct, and it's a result of online dating, and men of higher attractiveness swiping and messaging any reasonable looking women on the app. As a result, these lower scale women actually think that these top tier guys are genuinely interested in them, and have built up an entitlement where they feel they deserve a top tier man, and anything else won't do. In turn this has pushed the minimum levels of attractiveness to ridiculous highs.
/r/ExRedPill02/04/21 12:24 PM
1

Meeting people (women in particular) in person is what I recommend. A bit difficult in covid era, and cold approach is turning into a big no no, unless you happen to be a top 20% man.
/r/ExRedPill02/04/21 12:12 PM
3

The men who women want don't need to cold approach. They either get strong IOI's or the women approach them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 09:05 AM
1

saying they want to cum on our feet" That reminds me. I need to change my daygame opener.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 01:52 AM
1

Only if the guys are good looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 01:46 AM
1

Time to move on. She's definitely not a keeper. Been in this situation before. It doesn't end well.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/21 08:26 PM
2

I get what you're saying, but average guys with muscles lose out to good looking men without muscles. Looks beat fitness any day. Maybe my location, but I think 95% is a bit on the high side. Here in Australia gyms are big business. There's many to choose from, they're well attended, and it's a predominantly male clientele. Seeing a guy with a good physique is not as rare here as it sounds like in other countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/21 10:59 AM
2

A good physique only enhances the attractiveness of guys with good facial attractiveness to start with. For the rest, they just become average / ugly guys with muscles.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 10:42 PM
0

No specific time, but I realised after so many rejections from girls who were by no means the hottest, that I was at the lower end of the looks scale.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 10:38 PM
1

Looks first, by a country mile. Personality follows in a distant second.
/r/ExRedPill27/03/21 09:45 PM
1

For women's requirements of men, it should be 555 instead of 666.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/21 11:38 PM
1

Prostitution isn't free though.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/21 11:10 AM
4

The less attractive girls want attractive guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/21 02:15 AM
2

Disagree. Even after 30, there's a lot of men who still struggle to attract women. Also women after 30, although slightly less pickier and slightly fewer options than in their 20s , still have the very high standards they had back then.
/r/ExRedPill25/03/21 07:30 PM
0

I'd like to see the stats for men over 30 too. The difficulty in finding sexual partners transgresses across the ages. Even mature women who supposedly have hit the wall (BS in my opinion) are picky, have many options, and have ridiculously high standards.
/r/ExRedPill25/03/21 05:40 AM
2

For me it's not never, but isn't a regular occurance either. Very much occasionally.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/21 02:09 PM
0

This article is utter garbage.
/r/ExRedPill23/03/21 10:51 AM
1

In the suburbs of a big Australian city.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/21 10:29 AM
0

I basically never saw a guy with a less attractive woman than him. I find that strange, as the majority of couples I see or know, the man is more attractive than the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/21 02:56 AM
2

There are cities around the world that have either brought it, or looking to bring in laws that would make cold approaching in the street a form of harassment.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/21 01:45 AM
4

Exactly what I said. Go outside and get a girlfriend please. Easier said than done. If it was that simple, a section of guys might not have the need to pay for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/21 01:54 AM
1

The thing is, she was murdered by a guy who was known to her, not a random guy on the streets. Same happened in Australia after a couple of women were murdered. There was the expected backlash against men allegedly harassing women on the streets. Punishing the majority of men who are actually doing the approaching out of desperation, or for the right reasons, isn't going to stop the tiny percentage of psychos, who will rape and murder regardless of any sanctions.
/r/seduction21/03/21 11:18 AM
4

TBH I don't buy into the height thing, although I know a lot of men do. What I do believe though is that looks matter first and foremost.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/21 11:06 AM
42

From my experience, the men I know get girlfriends, get fuckbuddies, get threesomes Obviously you know a lot of top tier men. For the majority of men I know (myself included) it's totally the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/21 10:59 AM
2

It would depend on the sex within the relationship. If it was good and on a regular basis, then no. If she was low libido, and sex was a rarity, or even worse a dead bedroom, then I'd have to give a lot of consideration to the idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/21 03:06 AM
7

These are things that can enhance your attractiveness, not make a guy good looking. For ugly guys this is papering over the cracks.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/21 11:00 AM
12

Being good looking? That's something you have genetically, not something you can focus on becoming, unless plastic surgery is a serious consideration.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/21 04:15 AM
8

For women casual sex means she's hot enough. Or that she's just willing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/21 04:13 AM
22

Men lower their standards, women don't or rarely lower them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/21 04:09 AM
1

Would definitely improve my life. One partner that desires me and wants / enjoys sex with me, without any ulterior motive, would suffice.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/21 02:15 AM
1

For chin implants maybe. If you need to have jaw realignment, it's about the price of a new car.
/r/ExRedPill19/03/21 06:08 AM
1

There is a percent women that will only date handsome men. A large percentage.
/r/ExRedPill19/03/21 01:30 AM
2

Legalised prostitution seems to work well and appears to be well regulated. There's the odd story of an illegal brothel which pops up, but in the main everything works well.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/21 01:26 AM
1

When was it legalised in the UK?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/21 01:17 AM
1

For the guys who can rarely get sex, do you blame them?
/r/ExRedPill18/03/21 11:55 AM
3

Not saying the gym can't alter your face shape, but it only really helps if you have baseline good looks. It can't turn ugly into good looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/21 09:56 AM
3

Looks will get ladies interested This bit is key. Without interest there's nothing. I accept that there's other factors in play that can determine whether or not that interest goes any further, but looks are the main component.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/21 05:41 AM
72

I think the dislike is from men who can't get casual sex. It creates an imbalance and a feeling of inequality/ inferiority, and also fuels doubt when it comes to sex and commitment in a potential LTR. If I had a similar number count to a woman, it probably wouldn't bother me, but I know that the chances of that happening are pretty slim.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/21 03:34 AM
2

But it's looks that matter the most.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/21 03:26 AM
0

All thanks to technological "advances".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/21 03:24 AM
20

Hit the gym, got a decent physique, started dressing better, and worked on my social skills. Made no difference whatsoever. It's all in the face. If that doesn't meet a certain standard, guys are stuffed.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/21 01:48 AM
1

Maybe for the newbies, but the long timers must be pretty shredded by now.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 07:28 PM
10

Don't get me wrong I'm sure TheRedPill attracts its' fair share of tubs o lard It's to be hoped not, considering the answer to nearly everything on TRP is to lift weights.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 10:35 AM
3

I agree they are envious of Chad, but only of his capabilities and success with women. You'd find that the majority of guys who currently get nothing, would be happy with one woman who finds them attractive and desires them. The thought of spinning plates to these guys would be about as possible as riding a unicorn with Santa Claus.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 03:42 AM
1

Marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 03:36 AM
3

Only a select low percentage are capable of spinning plates, and they're the ones who have no trouble with women. The majority of the remaining men wouldn't have a hope in hell of plate spinning.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 03:34 AM
5

If it's that bad, then leave him. Divorce laws are more favourable towards the woman anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 09:53 PM
0

If she's willing to get pumped and dumped, she will have access to guys a lot hotter than her. As a sidenote, in most couples I know or see, the man is more attractive than the woman, albeit not by a wide margin, but it's still there.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 09:50 PM
2

Or are incapable of finding women who will have casual sex with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 09:42 PM
1

Will be proof if the woman is looking for a bad boy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 11:08 AM
1

Add Australia to UK / USA/ Canada. Technology has without doubt affected dating, but even before then there were naturals and guys who struggled with women. The explosion in theory came about when the PUA industry more or less said that any guy could get any girl. Suddenly the guys who struggled thought they could become players, when in reality it's natural selection that their lot is a handful of partners over a lifetime.
/r/seduction16/03/21 02:00 AM
8

No. It's the other way round.
/r/seduction16/03/21 01:44 AM
1

I think one area that AWALT doesn't apply is geographical location. Cultural differences can have an effect, even in western countries. I've read a number of stories of American guys who were successful with women in the states, but were blown out by British girls when they tried the same shit over there.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 01:24 AM
2

If there's opportunity to improve your chances, and assuming you've reached the best version of yourself, in your home country, then why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 01:14 AM
3

looks do matter more Thing is, these four words are the crux of the main difficulty that the majority of men face in modern dating. This more than money, confidence, personality etc. Not saying looks didn't used to be important, but not to the extent they are today, and certainly not to the minimum standards expected.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/21 03:24 AM
7

I think most men would love the option, opportunity and ability to be a fuckboy, or considered desirable enough to be one. Whether they would actually want to be one is debatable.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/21 03:05 AM
2

Really think men of a certain standard are just wanting sympathy or feel they are entitled to have females attention .... Not sympathy or entitlement, but anger, frustration and helplessness that something which was achievable and easier in the past has become something of difficulty and scarcity, and "thanks" to technology. Guys outside the top tier have no real control in being successful in the dating sphere.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/21 03:01 AM
2

It's not the boy liking girl, and vice versa that's the problem, it's how they meet that's changed dramatically. Before OLD, the places to meet were limited to school / uni / workplace, bars and clubs, and social circle. As such, women only had a limited number of potential admirers. Now they're inundated with attention on apps, from guys way above their level that would have been in the past. Consequently women's expectations and minimum standards of male attractiveness has risen considerably, …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/21 02:04 AM
1

Maybe they fall in the top 20% of men that women find attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/21 01:55 AM
-1

Men have to be decent human beings who have their shit at least somewhat together to get the girl?! But even that isn't enough these days. The minimum is to add good looking into the mix.
/r/ExRedPill14/03/21 07:52 PM
9

I don't think most men want to be Bad Boys, but they would love to have the effect on women that Bad Boys create. I'd even say that a sizeable number of men wouldn't necessarily want a large number of women, but they would like to know they have the option to, if needed. A case of wanting to be able to have what the bad boys can get.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/21 07:46 PM
0

Looks matter first and foremost when attracting women, but not to the extent that black pill will tell you. It's unfortunately the way it is, and has heightened minimum standards and expectations since the advent of online dating and social media.
/r/ExRedPill14/03/21 10:00 AM
1

The ugly good men also wish they were Chad, as do any men that aren't Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/21 03:54 AM
2

The bad boys also tend to be genetically blessed, and have rock solid confidence and self belief, with looks being the most important factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/21 03:42 AM
4

No. They get married, buy a house and have a couple of kids. Until they get bored with married life, and start fantasizing (and sometimes acting on it) about being with the bad guy that used to give her the tingles.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/21 03:38 AM
1

i don’t think a single dude here would say “all” women Agree. That's more TRP speak.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/21 01:24 AM
3

Plastic surgery is only beneficial for already attractive people who want to enhance their appearance by fixing some minor flaws Exactly. I think people think that it is some miracle cure that can turn ugly people into a hot version. It's just not the case. It may produce slight improvements, but that's about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/21 07:58 PM
3

It's plausible. I've had dating troubles, and don't know how to flirt either.
/r/ExRedPill08/03/21 09:10 AM
0

The 80/20 rule. Opened my eyes to a lot that I didn't see before.
/r/ExRedPill05/03/21 02:23 AM
8

Gyms don't help with height or facial attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/21 07:11 PM
6

I imagine that looks will still matter in the gay community Still the same struggles in finding a partner, I reckon.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/21 01:37 AM
1

Yes women care about looks, but not as much as you think they do. PUA nonsense. Of course they do. Probably more so in this day and age with the attention they get from online dating.
/r/seduction04/03/21 01:19 AM
1

Looks first and foremost. It's what you need to be noticed. Everything else is just stuff that either increases or decreases that initial attraction.
/r/seduction04/03/21 01:14 AM
1

You mention porn, but what about erotic fiction for women? Due to the huge popularity of this genre (50 shades etc), is it reasonable for men to assume that women do actually want to have sex similar to that described in the books, not to mention that the main man seems to be a Chad type character?
/r/ExRedPill03/03/21 09:52 PM
6

TBH I think that these lesser attractive women don't, at the time, consider that they will be pumped and dumped by the hotter men, and live in hope that it will be a longer term thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/21 08:38 PM
10

For some guys it's just beyond their control and teaching won't benefit them much, especially if they're crucially lacking in the looks department.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/21 07:22 PM
1

I think it depends on the person's situation, and the most likely candidate would be the single man, especially one that struggles with dating. Even if it's not done intentionally, l reckon subconsciously, this guy will do things on the off chance of meeting women. I say this from personal experience. I'm not sure the same applies to single women, and I reckon the man who is in a happy relationship, or is regularly successful with women, does things mostly for himself, which ironically, is proba…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 08:06 PM
-3

I agree, apart from looks, unless plastic surgery is an affordable option, but even then there's no guarantee of a successful outcome.
/r/ExRedPill28/02/21 11:07 PM
1

I would go further and say there's differences between living in outer suburbs of a city to that of living in the inner suburbs and the city itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 10:45 PM
-7

Good job, confidence, social skills, personality, self belief, but most of all good looks. Basically a guy that ticks all the boxes for what women want.
/r/ExRedPill28/02/21 10:40 PM
-1

Those in the top 15-20%.
/r/ExRedPill28/02/21 10:34 PM
-7

Only for the top tier men. Most of the time, women get to choose who's turn it is.
/r/ExRedPill28/02/21 08:35 PM
13

Two nuggets stand out for me. "Looks don't matter to women." Experience has taught me that this is one of the biggest dating lies perpetrated. "Just be yourself. " Being myself is probably a major factor in my lack of dating success.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 07:54 PM
3

Or he could be rich.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 05:16 AM
2

I don't buy it. All these "ugly" guys getting laid all the time are only ugly in the opinion of those making the statements, and not factually ugly. The litmus test for knowing actual ugliness is lack of sex, lack of female attraction / interest, and constant rejection from approaches that are made.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/21 07:43 PM
2

A) bullying and bereavement B) substance misuse and bereavement C) yes D) yes unable to connect with others. No supportive group. E) definitely F) again, definitely G) no. More my own failings and lack of attractiveness H) yes
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/21 06:46 AM
5

As someone of an age where social media and OLD didn't exist, when I started dating, it is a huge net negative. The only people who benefit (and in the majority of cases, only for sex) are the best looking guys and the majority of women. The biggest losers are guys outside the top tier bracket, and women looking for relationships. The whole concept of OLD has pushed the minimum standards that men need to achieve, to ridiculous levels, and is constantly getting higher. I'm convinced that myself a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/21 01:42 AM
9

Go ask them. They'll tell you to lift weights. It's their answer to everything.
/r/ExRedPill24/02/21 01:40 AM
4

A lack of sex, a lack of public and general display of affection, and generally being taken for granted.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/21 10:39 PM
7

The majority of women, across varying levels of attractiveness, are rarely without dating options, to the extent that they can afford to be picky. Women have various problems, but not being desirable or found attractive isn't one of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/21 06:35 PM
30

I'm in the same boat. Very few women have found me attractive, and I've rarely felt desired. I've tried all kinds of self improvement to try to get to that level, but with little success. I'm envious of the guys that have the looks required to attract women with minimum effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/21 07:29 AM
1

Definitely yes. It would be like living the life I've always wanted, and never had.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/21 03:10 AM
2

From what I've seen, it seems to be a state of helplessness. That they've reached the realisation that the problem that's holding them back is something that can't be fixed, without huge costs, and no guarantee of success. I can understand, and relate to their frustration, but I'm not part of it. I dread to think what the next stage is after black pill.
/r/ExRedPill22/02/21 07:24 PM
1

Fair enough, but I'm only going by what I see in my immediate area with couples I know, or random couples I see. Small cross section, I know, but it's a regular occurance where I live.
/r/ExRedPill21/02/21 07:26 PM
1

Add Athol Kay to this list.
/r/ExRedPill21/02/21 06:42 PM
1

Which exercises target this? I've been going to the gym for a few years, and although I've seen improvement to my physique, sadly my face hasn't changed at all. Your looks are more determined by genetics and bone structure than muscle mass.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 06:39 PM
1

Round my way, how l described is definitely the case.
/r/ExRedPill21/02/21 06:33 PM
0

How? Facial genetics are all based on bone structure. How does lifting at the gym change that? Is there a specific type of exercise that targets the face? I've been at the gym for a fair few years, and although I've seen changes in my general physique, my face is still unfortunately the same as when I started.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 08:19 AM
0

Lifting weights only helps with neck down. It does nothing for facial attractiveness. It only helps men become more attractive if they're good looking to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 05:57 AM
-5

I disagree. In the majority of couples I see or know, the man is more attractive than the woman.
/r/ExRedPill21/02/21 02:44 AM
1

No definitely not.
/r/ExRedPill21/02/21 12:15 AM
0

Instead of asking yourself why attractive women go for attractive guys, ask yourself if you'd consider dating a woman who you feel is on the 'level' of attractiveness, Thing is that the majority of men outside the top 20% are prepared to date women on their level of attractiveness, and lower, but these women are looking at, and getting attention from guys who are on a higher level of attractiveness. Social media and online dating has exaggerated this behaviour. The guys who really suffer from a …
/r/ExRedPill20/02/21 10:59 PM
0

Bad boys tend to be good looking too.
/r/ExRedPill19/02/21 05:05 AM
0

I will go so far as to say that I am a Bad Boy hater. Bad Boys are for the most part useless for anything but sex and causing trouble, and I view women who fall for Bad Boys and their slimy approaches and anti-social behavior, as being weak and just as useless. If I liked a woman and did some checking and found a Bad Boy in her past -- I had no desire to even touch her, much less date her, or God forbid enter a relationship with her. I was gone. Agree with what you're saying, but from experience…
/r/ExRedPill18/02/21 07:26 PM
1

Too many distractions and temptations that we have now, that weren't around for previous generations. I reckon that has contributed not only to sexless marriages, but also the rising divorce rates.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 10:45 PM
16

25 to 30 years ago, using a dating agency / lonely hearts columns were seen as the ultimate in desperation, and loserness, for a man to meet women. Now it's an integral part of dating culture. Reckon using sex robots would go the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/21 09:30 PM
0

I don't know it.
/r/ExRedPill16/02/21 08:11 AM
1

Thing is 1-3 women, although they exist, they still get attention from guys who are a lot higher on the scale, even outside of tinder, so they have no real need to pursue guys of equal or slightly higher attractiveness. Have a look around, the next time you're out. In the vast majority of couples I see or know, the man is more attractive than the woman. Men are always prepared to date down until they reach a level where they get results. For guys already at the lower end of the scale, this means…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/21 08:09 AM
1

If you have baseline good looks, women will see past your "flaws" and will make exceptions. This is where you obviously fall. I've seen this many times, which is why the advice for non-good looking guys to hit the gym, or dress well ends up fruitless.
/r/ExRedPill15/02/21 08:17 PM
1

Absolute BS. Girl that is 3 or 4 maybe, but definitely not a man on that level.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/21 08:38 AM
0

Visit a prostitute, and get it out of the way. Then you can meet girls, without the need to lie, or have the weight of being a virgin on your shoulders.
/r/ExRedPill15/02/21 07:03 AM
0

Life coaching falls under this category too, yet it's far more socially acceptable to hire a life coach.
/r/ExRedPill13/02/21 10:45 PM
-1

Did I say every woman?
/r/ExRedPill13/02/21 12:13 AM
1

Not talking about the bullshit square jaw and dimensions that some subs go on about, but just regular features that are proportionate and easy on the eye. Find a cross section of regular guys who do well with women, find it easy to attract them, and get interest from them, and that's the baseline. The amount of interest you get from women is the only litmus test you need to determine your attractiveness.
/r/ExRedPill13/02/21 12:10 AM
0

They're usually blessed with good facial attractiveness too.
/r/ExRedPill13/02/21 12:01 AM
-1

Wrong. Women well beyond school age are attracted to bad boys. I'm sure the women who went crazy over the hot mug shot Meeks guy weren't high schoolers. Also look at the amount of attention convicted criminals get in jail.
/r/ExRedPill12/02/21 11:59 PM
1

I disagree. You need a baseline level of good looks to be able to be considered attractive to women. Ugliness / unattractiveness does exist, and is more common than you say. An unattractive man can do the right things by hitting the gym, dressing well and generally looking after himself, but ultimately it's just papering over the cracks. On the other side of the coin, I have a good friend who is unkempt, dresses in band tshirts and track pants, has a beer gut going on, but what he does have is b…
/r/ExRedPill12/02/21 11:52 PM
0

Wouldn't make any difference. All that will happen is that the top tier men would get asked out by the majority of women. Those outside the top tier would get very little interest, with chances of success reducing the further down the scale they fall.
/r/ExRedPill10/02/21 01:53 AM
0

Athol Kay and his dreadful books led me into red pill. Luckily I didn't get fully immersed.
/r/ExRedPill08/02/21 09:39 PM
-2

It's also bad for below average and ugly guys. Gives them false hope and sends them further into despair and hopelessness.
/r/ExRedPill08/02/21 09:35 PM
0

It would be great if I experienced this.
/r/ExRedPill28/01/21 08:01 PM
1

It's a technique used in London daygame. If you go past a woman you find attractive, you run in her direction, in an arc, until you're in front of her, where you can stop her and deliver your opener. The only downside would be that if she's running, you might have to sprint fast in order to get in front of her.
/r/seduction28/01/21 05:26 AM
-4

Since the rise of online dating and social media, it has become more difficult for ugly men to get laid or have a relationship. For ugly women, it's the opposite. Before online dating, and social media, it was a lot easier for ugly men in general. Women didn't have the abundance of interested men, like they have today, and were more accepting of a man's lack of facial attractiveness.
/r/ExRedPill28/01/21 03:00 AM
1

That's because you're obviously a good looking man. We don't all have that advantage.
/r/ExRedPill28/01/21 01:45 AM
1

If you have good looks to start with, gym and grooming etc will enhance your attractiveness. If you're ugly, you'll be just an ugly guy with muscles and who dresses well. I'm not saying ugly guys can't pull, but their options and opportunities are very restricted and sporadic.
/r/seduction27/01/21 12:27 PM
1

Do the Tom Torero front stop, and ask her opinion on something.
/r/seduction27/01/21 11:33 AM
1

It's an overrated book. It could be half the length it is, and Manson skims over the importance of looks, like many others who write these books.
/r/seduction27/01/21 09:43 AM
1

It's a good idea, but there wouldn't be much difference across the board. The men who have no trouble getting women already, would be the ones that the majority of women would likely pursue.
/r/ExRedPill25/01/21 11:09 PM
3

That's definitely a factor, but also the lack of women in general, that ugly guys have access to, plays a very big part. The majority of ugly guys would happily take any woman, top tier or not.
/r/ExRedPill25/01/21 01:41 PM
2

The majority of guys can get laid, I agree with that. The main issues are the ease and frequency in these guys being successful, the main factor being looks. This ranges from the top tier men, who basically have no problem sleeping with women and moving on to the next one, down to the ugly guy who gets lucky on rare occasions, and when the stars and planets align. Naturally, the ugly guy gets jealous of how easy the top tier man has it, and resents the women that sleep with him.
/r/ExRedPill24/01/21 07:44 AM
1

It's not necessarily assholes, but more the bad boy type, i.e. those that like to break rules and laws, and manage to charm many women, before using them and moving on to the next one. These guys are brimming with confidence and good looks. Guys who aren't like this (like me), tend to resent their success, and resent the women for falling for these guys. If I could become a bad boy, I would in a heartbeat.
/r/ExRedPill24/01/21 02:10 AM
0

I consider myself nice, in that I treat people as I would wish to be treated myself. Unfortunately I've found that all this philosophy does is make both men and women take advantage, say what they like to me, and generally treat me with disrespect. This nature of mine has also resulted in a lack of dating success through my life. The more I experience, the more I think that treating people with respect has been counter productive for me, and that if I had bad boy traits, my experience would have…
/r/ExRedPill22/01/21 09:04 PM
2

From experience even intelligent women, with no issues, fall for the bad boy types, however it seems to be in their early dating years that they go through this phase, before settling for a sensible type. Obviously some women go for bad boy after bad boy, but for others it seems to be something they get out of their system. For younger nice guys, this is a nightmare.
/r/ExRedPill22/01/21 01:15 AM
0

White knighting at it's finest.
/r/ExRedPill20/01/21 01:09 PM
5

Actors, rock stars, celebs can get away with being ugly as their fame is the highest form of status. Would an ugly CEO have as much success with women? I very much doubt it. For guys outside the top echelon of status (fame) it's still looks that matter most to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/21 10:01 AM
1

For a lot of single men, simply getting a girlfriend is very much difficult.
/r/ExRedPill07/01/21 09:22 AM
1

Everything is better. I get more attention from men than I did twenty years ago, This part is what I've been saying all along, about how the wall for women is overused bullshit. Admittedly some women will let themselves go, but for those that look after themselves, the options are nearly as strong as women in their younger years, and from a varied age group of men. The so called advantage that men are supposed to have in their later years doesn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 10:07 PM
0

Manson is in the same bracket as Corey Wayne.
/r/ExRedPill28/12/20 09:56 PM
2

Agree with this. Women are against anything that threatens their control over the distribution of sex. This includes prostitution, porn, sexbots, PUA.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 09:26 AM
2

It's not that simple. Showers and haircuts are the bare minimum. Besides, I've seen scruffy and unkempt good looking men do well with women..
/r/ExRedPill28/12/20 12:57 AM
1

Women only want to be approached by the hot guys, not by guys that don't meet their standards. These approaches are unwanted, and are deemed to be creepy.
/r/ExRedPill27/12/20 08:49 PM
3

Personal Development, Communication Skills & Attraction. So what exactly did you do to work and improve these areas? Also, who were your mentors? Some sort of coach or was it a friend or relative?
/r/ExRedPill26/12/20 11:57 PM
1

I despise online dating, but I don't think banning it would make one ounce of difference. The damage has already been done. All it has done has raised women's expectations and minimum standards to a ridiculous level, and created the unprecedented scenario of average to below looking women getting interest and access to the type of guy they would have had no chance with in pre-internet days, and gives them a false reality that this is what they're entitled to. Of course, thirsty men lowering thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/20 03:38 AM
1

Depends on the context. Grief is definitely ok, and so it should be. Trouble is many younger men are too quick to shed tears, and sometimes for the most trivial reasons.
/r/ExRedPill23/12/20 09:29 AM
1

The chances are that women of a lower quality than yourself are looking for guys of higher quality than you are. Even if you aim for the bottom tier girls, it's likely that she won't consider a below average looking guy to be good enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 10:46 PM
1

I can't get to the moon, unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 10:38 PM
1

Count your blessings that you're obviously lucky and attractive enough to consider indulging in a slut phase. For those of us less genetically fortunate, having a slut phase is not possible or an option, and is only something we can dream of, whether we wanted to partake or not.
/r/ExRedPill17/12/20 10:57 AM
6

Talent doesn't beat ugliness at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 08:47 AM
2

No shit, Sherlock. I wondered why I never had success with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 08:44 AM
2

Maybe not replace, but could certainly make a big impact, as they become more lifelike and affordable. The more difficult it becomes for non top tier men to have success with women, the more the likelihood that guys will turn to robots. Easier and less drama.
/r/ExRedPill15/12/20 10:24 PM
0

Please find a real GF (you can totally do it! there are already lots of good suggestions here for you). Or, if you're SUPER desperate and need sex asap, maybe find a FWB for now. For the majority of guys that frequent these subreddits, this advice is the stuff of dreams. If it was only that simple.
/r/ExRedPill15/12/20 10:30 AM
-1

Agree with that. Once you've got the weight of the first time off your shoulders, it should help with other areas of your life. A prostitute is the quickest and easiest option.
/r/ExRedPill15/12/20 09:11 AM
1

Something I've noticed, though, is that I sometimes end up dating men from my social circle that I would have passed on if I came across their OLD profile because of something I consider a deal-breaker. It might be his religion, his education, his age, his kids... His level of facial attractiveness too?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 10:37 PM
4

Exactly. Make an online dating account, and see how much attention you get. I'm confident that it will be more than you can keep up with. That's where the trouble lies.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 07:31 AM
3

Maybe not, but they still have far more options than their male equivalent.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 07:24 AM
1

Don't you use online dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 07:21 AM
6

Yes it's true, and it's a result of online dating and social media. What can be done about it? Apart from shutting down the internet, nothing at all. Things will get worse for average to ugly men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 07:18 AM
2

I reckon evolution will weed out all ugly and non- good looking men eventually. May take thousands of years, but will happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 04:14 AM
4

I'm not saying that ugly guys never get to have sex. They could pay for it if that desperate, but as far as opportunities, willing partners and certainly frequency go, it's another world completely compared to the small section of guys who have no trouble at all in getting laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 03:05 AM
2

No, you definitely need looks if you're going to find it easy getting women into bed. The lower down the looks scale you fall, the harder it becomes, until you reach ugly level where it's a rarity and is really a case of getting lucky.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 02:56 AM
2

Getting women isn't the crux of the inherent issue. Women have never been easier to bed. Providing you're a top tier guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 02:38 AM
6

Rubbish. Another myth in this sub. Getting ripped doesn't make your face attractive, in fact it makes little difference. An ugly guy with game still cannot compete with a good looking man with no game. It's PUA bullshit.
/r/seduction14/12/20 02:34 AM
5

Still got to have good facial attractiveness, regardless of what improvements you make.
/r/seduction14/12/20 01:57 AM
2

I spend a decent amount of time in both countries, mostly Aus.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 01:48 AM
2

Not just in America. Same thing applies in UK and Australia.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 01:37 AM
25

Which is still more of a return than the ugly guys get.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/20 11:57 PM
4

All this works if you have good facial attractiveness to back it up. Without it, it's just improvement to make yourself better. Won't have any effect on your dating life.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/20 07:37 PM
2

Disgustingly easy if you're a good looking man, then the degrees of easiness lower at the varying levels of attractiveness, until when you get to ugly man level, it's actually disgustingly hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/20 08:31 AM
-2

There are definitely couples with attractive women dating not so attractive guys, From personal experience, and what I've seen, in the majority of couples I see or know, it's the other way round.
/r/ExRedPill11/12/20 09:12 AM
1

Which is a common thread in books like these. Would be refreshing if an author had the courage to write truthfully about looks.
/r/ExRedPill11/12/20 09:09 AM
0

It's no different to information you can get for free on various websites. Be the best version of yourself, be honest with women and don't use manipulative tricks, but he manages to spread it out for over 300 pages. Unsurprisingly, he downplays the importance of looks, which is to be expected, considering Manson is a good looking man.
/r/ExRedPill11/12/20 03:08 AM
0

Don't bother with Models. It's full of fluff and filler, and offers very little in the way of actionable advice. The way so many people go on about it, you'd think it was the bible.
/r/ExRedPill10/12/20 09:42 PM
1

The constant worrying and mistrust. Worrying about the other guy, and if he's enough in bed. Also trusting as to what she says about his abilities is true.
/r/ExRedPill09/12/20 06:10 AM
0

If it is true, dump her while you have the chance. It won't end well if you don't.
/r/ExRedPill09/12/20 03:59 AM
2

He's probably worried about being rejected if he asks you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 03:14 AM
0

Never had women approach me, and if I did, I'd assume it was some kind of pisstake. For it to work effectively, guys would have to get used to the idea that the woman is being genuine. It's a chicken and egg scenario. The woman would be rejected, purely because the guy assumed she was talking the piss, so the woman would stop approaching men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 03:12 AM
10

The whole premise around metoo was fully vindicated, and accepted. Trouble is, like many of these movements that become fashionable, it devolved into stupidity and contradiction, and the public grew tired, along with sympathy from men. BLM will go the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/20 10:44 PM
11

Trouble is the metoo garbage hasn't helped, especially with ugly, socially awkward or inexperienced men. A lot of guys these days have been conditioned to believe that trying to meet women in public settings is too risky, and can have a potentially bad outcome. As such, the only method these guys can see, is just the online option.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/20 09:43 PM
12

As above, but replace tall with looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/20 09:38 PM
1

It would be good to be able to have the choice. Unfortunately I don't have looks that gives me that opportunity.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/20 06:33 AM
1

Wrong. The vast majority of women have the advantage of being able to choose whether they slut it up and partake in hookup culture. The vast majority of men don't have this luxury. I doubt women "fall" for hookup. A fair few are willing participants for whatever reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/20 06:27 AM
8

Partly because they're not attractive enough for hookup culture. You think if they had the looks or ability to hookup, they'd pass up the opportunity?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/20 01:14 AM
2

Agree. Leagues definitely do exist.
/r/seduction02/12/20 10:26 AM
1

I reckon he's a lot better looking than you're making him out to be. Average men don't get lucky with over a hundred women.
/r/seduction02/12/20 10:25 AM
3

Only top tier attractive men.
/r/seduction30/11/20 11:04 AM
1

It's taking over in all generations.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/20 11:29 PM
0

A teacher friend told me a story about a school camp where there were 15 girls and 15 boys, all of varying levels of attractiveness. All of the girls gravitated or gave most of the attention to the two best looking boys in the group. I think there is a lot of truth in the 80/20 rule, especially when it comes to dating.
/r/ExRedPill29/11/20 12:02 PM
2

How many of these women actually got married to the man they were hoping for? My prediction is that a lot of them chose to settle.
/r/ExRedPill29/11/20 11:45 AM
2

I was referring to dating specific sites. I agree that the other methods can be useful in meeting people in a social circle type environment, but I think looks still matter a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/20 10:27 PM
7

You're obviously a good looking man. Those without looks get jack shit from OLD.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/20 05:41 AM
10

For below average looking guys, these are dark times we're living in. For good looking men, and the vast majority of women, it's a glorious era.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/20 05:32 AM
0

No not really. I am ugly, so I have a pretty good idea what constitutes a good looking man. I can also ascertain what level of attractiveness a woman is. That is why.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/20 01:02 AM
1

Maybe not to the level of handsome and unattractive, but in most couples I know or see, the man is more attractive than the woman. Admittedly in a lot of couples, there's not much in it, but the man has the edge.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/20 08:57 PM
3

One of the big cities in Australia. My observations have been in the suburbs, rather than in the city.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/20 08:52 PM
17

No, in fact it's the opposite. In couples I know, and couples I've seen in public, I'd say in the majority, the man is more attractive than the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/20 11:04 AM
5

More like the other way round.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/20 01:26 AM
1

Part of the problem is technology. Not tinder, but the ability for men to search answers for anything they want, and I imagine that questions relating to attracting women must be up there with the most asked. Consequently this has given false hope and misinformation to many men who would have struggled with women anyway, whether it be through the scam PUA industry, videos, courses, books etc. These men are naturally angry when all this new information they devour doesn't actually work, or makes …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/20 12:19 AM
1

So what areas of personality are considered attractive, or should be worked on? The whole personality thing is a broad area.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/20 08:27 AM
1

Hit the nail on the head with this comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 12:39 PM
1

Maybe, but I'm not.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 11:28 AM
3

Seems like the only winner here is "Chad", which the average man can totally become if he puts in the effort. No. Unless you're good looking, putting in the effort isn't going to turn you into Chad. Granted, there will be improvements, but the best case scenario is a second rate Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 05:23 AM
1

Wrong. In the majority of couples I see or know, the man is more attractive than the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 03:09 AM
1

The only real option for improvement, for ugly guys, is plastic surgery.
/r/seduction15/10/20 07:56 AM
0

It's a chicken and egg situation. If women don't find you attractive, you won't think of yourself as attractive, and so on.
/r/seduction15/10/20 01:56 AM
4

If you have the good mindset, you can attract people no matter how ugly you are. This is so wrong. For ugly guys, the ability to attract women is practically zero.
/r/seduction15/10/20 01:53 AM
7

Plain and simple. Get jacked, get a good haircut, whiten your teeth, get a tan, get better clothes. Even doing that won't increase your chances that much, if you're below average looking. You run the risk of becoming a try hard ugly guy. I've seen a few before, and it can look ridiculous.
/r/seduction15/10/20 01:50 AM
1

Not saying you're home and dry, just because of your looks, but facial attractiveness makes women more forgiving of mistakes than if you were lower down the scale.
/r/ExRedPill11/10/20 03:27 AM
9

The wall is a myth. Women of all shapes and sizes can still have options well into their 40s and beyond. Admittedly not as many as in their younger years. This is mostly to do with the desperation of men in the modern dating world. To say that women are desperate to settle down at this point is wrong.
/r/ExRedPill11/10/20 03:24 AM
1

Your success was down to your looks.
/r/ExRedPill11/10/20 03:16 AM
1

It's your looks that are attracting them. The rest means very little.
/r/ExRedPill11/10/20 03:14 AM
1

Agree totally, and the numbers you have to approach increase, the lower you are on the facial attractiveness scale.
/r/ExRedPill11/10/20 03:13 AM
5

Or maybe he does it to be able to meet a woman, and be noticed. For most men, unless you're in the top 20%, you're invisible and disregarded by the majority of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 02:11 AM
5

The metoo movement didn't help things. Suddenly innocent cold approach was labelled as sexual harassment. Funnily enough not if the girl was attracted to you. Some cities around the world have either made, or are in the process of making, approaching women in public illegal.
/r/seduction10/10/20 02:04 AM
1

Hooking up for casual sex, from a male point of view, is really just for the good looking and top tier ones. For the remainder, it's scarce and the scarcity increases as the level of attractiveness gets lower. For the majority of men, hooking up is something that they'd like to experience, but in reality it really is just a case of getting lucky.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 06:44 AM
3

I lay the blame squarely at the door of the internet. In pre-internet days, although incels existed, there was no information or collective voice that there is today. Men who struggled with women begrudgingly accepted their lot. In fact most guys in this situation probably socialised with guys on a similar level. No one knew about game, red pill, PUA, SMV and so on. Most guys knew someone who was good with women, but it was just accepted that naturals existed. Then the internet came. Over time, …
/r/ExRedPill09/10/20 05:06 AM
1

Counselling for self esteem is a waste of time, and rarely sees any results or improvement.
/r/ExRedPill06/10/20 10:45 PM
1

Depends on your level of facial attractiveness to begin with. I've been lifting a while, and have a good physique, yet I'm invisible to women. I'm also not good looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/20 01:22 AM
1

Lifting only helps raise your attractiveness if you're good looking to start with. If you're ugly, you just become an ugly guy with muscles.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/20 01:17 AM
3

I feel jealous of girls who can just sleep with whoever they want with no effort, then get a bf whenever they want. This line sums up the advantages women have in dating, and even more so today. The feelings you describe aren't necessarily a by product of TRP. They're the feelings that the majority of men have when it comes to the shit show that is modern day dating.
/r/ExRedPill05/10/20 01:46 AM
4

I'm no woman (or gay neither) but if I were, id fuck a guy with nice body but not so attractive face vs nice to ok face but little chubby and hairy(unless his face is deformed like a missing eye or a really bad burn mark, then yea that ain't happening). So the first guy just needs work below the neck. From experience I find that it's the opposite. Women prefer good looks whether the guy is fit or not. It doesn't take a huge amount of work to make a good looking fat man more attractive. An ugly g…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 03:53 AM
3

Exactly. The amount of money spent by an ugly guy in a relationship, for a minimal amount of sex, far outweighs the amount used to pay for sex from a prostitute, as and when required.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 03:38 AM
3

No it doesn't get any better for the average to below looking man. If you have good looks, your chances of success will improve dramatically. It's basically the same scenario for men at any age.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 03:22 AM
1

I reckon it's down to good facial attractiveness. Good looks go together with confidence. It's not common to see a confident man who is average or below looking.
/r/seduction03/10/20 07:54 AM
1

Which again is proof as ioi's only tend to be experienced by good looking men.
/r/seduction01/10/20 11:08 PM
1

Your level of facial attractiveness can be measured by your success with cold approach.
/r/seduction01/10/20 08:23 PM
1

Be one of the top tier men. Looks especially. No guarantees they'll do the approaching, but some will. Even if they don't, you'll have no trouble attracting them.
/r/ExRedPill01/10/20 12:35 PM
1

Johnny Berba is good. Deals a lot with the social anxiety side of things.
/r/seduction01/10/20 09:56 AM
2

You're obviously a good looking man.
/r/seduction01/10/20 09:52 AM
1

TRP are obsessed with lifting weights too.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 09:10 AM
2

sex is just more accesible than ever. For the top tier men it is. For those average and below, it's a rarity and a special occasion.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 02:57 AM
2

Rubbish. I'm in Australia and find that blokes generally look after themselves, even after 30. The gyms (when open) are always busy with a predominantly male clientele. I'm in my mid 40's, in good shape, but not blessed with facial attractiveness. I'm invisible to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 11:42 PM
-1

This was a good thread. Shame it got deleted. Everything here is pretty much accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 10:56 AM
1

So many? I wish. Maybe for the top tier men.
/r/seduction29/09/20 08:23 AM
1

They know their preference in the type of man they find attractive in a phone , otherwise sites like tinder wouldn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 04:08 AM
2

About the only good thing I've really got going for me, is reasonably good facial features and facial bone structure, but even that is nullified to some extent, when you're overweight, because people store fat on their face, and it takes away the "chiseled" look that women seem to love. This part is the key. Even though being overweight doesn't help, having good facial attractiveness is the base for attracting women, which is why guys in your situation get good results, and even more so if you w…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 02:57 AM
4

Social circle is where looks matter the least, whereas with dating apps, looks are essential. I think cold approach needs to be split into random situations (street, supermarket etc) and bar / nightclub. The importance of looks varies here, with bars being essential to have good facial attractiveness.
/r/seduction28/09/20 08:37 PM
22

If not they can be merciless.
/r/seduction26/09/20 02:31 AM
1

In cold approach it's looks first and everything else follows. You could be a shit hot conversationalist, but for a lot of women if you don't meet the minimum standards of attractiveness, she won't give you the time or opportunity to demonstrate your skills.
/r/seduction26/09/20 02:29 AM
1

Personality can trump ugly, and a lot of other factors Only really in social circle or work situations, where you've already built up a rapport with the girl over time. I agree that in those scenarios you can get away with a lack of good looks, but in online or simple cold approach with a stranger, it's looks that matter most, and what creates that all important first impression.
/r/seduction26/09/20 02:23 AM
1

Which are the legit ones? It's hard to tell the difference sometimes.
/r/ExRedPill25/09/20 11:35 PM
1

They may want to, but for the majority of men it's not achievable and just wishful thinking.
/r/ExRedPill25/09/20 11:39 AM
2

Most social circles are quite closed off to strangers in the UK, and will be even worse in COVID times. Try a meetup group, when they start running again. You'll find a lot of people there are i the same situation as you.
/r/seduction25/09/20 03:37 AM
3

Agree with all apart from the first bit. Dating can be difficult, especially if you don't meet the minimum standards of attractiveness that is required these days.
/r/ExRedPill24/09/20 09:18 PM
15

All game has achieved is massively complicating something that is out of your control, and is just a result of your looks and confidence. It's made millionaires out of con artists and fleeced poor unsuspecting men who were never going to succeed in the dating market anyway.
/r/ExRedPill24/09/20 09:25 AM
11

Looks matter the most. It's what sparks the attraction. Without them it's an uphill battle, no matter your confidence and personality.
/r/seduction24/09/20 09:18 AM
1

Looks matter far more than fitness. An overweight good looking man will have more success than a fit ugly guy.
/r/ExRedPill23/09/20 09:50 AM
1

I see the opposite.
/r/ExRedPill21/09/20 07:54 AM
1

In most couples I know or see, the man is more attractive than the woman. Might just be my location.
/r/ExRedPill21/09/20 07:53 AM
1

Muscles won't make up for a lack of facial attractiveness either.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 07:41 AM
5

Muscles only help if you're good looking to start with to start with, and then it enhances your attractiveness. An ugly guy who hits the gym becomes an ugly guy with muscles, and remains invisible.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 11:41 PM
2

They count for a good 70% when it comes to attracting women.
/r/seduction20/09/20 11:35 PM
20

Maybe it's my location, but in the majority of couples I see in public, and know personally, the man is more attractive than the woman. I put this down to women wanting to date up, and men willing to settle for lower.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 09:57 PM
7

And no you don’t have to be 8+ on the looks scale to casually date. Maybe not to date, but for casual sex looks are essential. Women have a huge amount of men willing to fuck them, and nothing more. It's natural they choose the best looking men available.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 09:20 PM
6

Definitely. I've read it and listened to it, and I just don't see what the fuss is about. Full of filler and could be half the length it is.
/r/seduction20/09/20 08:34 PM
1

Any girl above 5. Think about it, if she's constantly hit on by guys way better looking than me, eventually she'll realise the level of man she's able to attract. It's in women's nature to want the best option.
/r/seduction20/09/20 02:41 PM
0

Unfortunately that is the reality of modern day dating. The best looking top tier men are always going to get the pick of the majority of women. Those of us outside this level have to scrap it out for the remaining few. It won't change or get better anytime soon.
/r/seduction20/09/20 02:28 AM
0

if you get really fit .. clothing that fits you well ...and get your money up , you can get a really attractive girl no matter who you are if that is what you want . Unless you have good looks to start with, this is wrong.
/r/seduction20/09/20 02:25 AM
0

All it would achieve is that the top tier men would be approached by the majority of women, and the women would just ignore the rest of the men. A bit like it is now.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 02:03 AM
3

I once battered a bloke that did this.
/r/seduction20/09/20 12:44 AM
3

Depends if you're with a girl who's out of your league. If so, then it's a big problem when it comes to other guys. They will tell that she's above your level and will see it as a good chance or opportunity to pick her up. Although we'd all like to think she won't react, she chose you etc, but being hit on by multiple better looking men will affect her hypergamic nature. I speak from experience.
/r/seduction20/09/20 12:40 AM
-1

Rubbish. Look at the response "hot mug-shot guy" got a few years ago. The comments from women on the internet were unreal. Last I heard, he had a modelling contract and was living with an English billionaire's daughter. Crime and looking good certainly paid off for him.
/r/ExRedPill19/09/20 11:23 PM
2

You've got the height, which is good, but don't be fooled into thinking that hitting the gym is a game changer. Too many guys here fall for that lie. Having muscles will help if you're good looking to start with, but will have very little effect on someone not blessed with facial attractiveness.
/r/seduction19/09/20 10:22 AM
4

Bars and clubs are the best bet, but good looks are essential. Only the top tier men do will in this environment.
/r/seduction19/09/20 09:44 AM
3

It creeps most girls out. Only the good looking guys can get away with it. For everyone else, it will probably lead to a humiliating rejection.
/r/seduction19/09/20 09:42 AM
2

If you actually managed to get a yes. For some men it's a mythical event.
/r/seduction19/09/20 09:38 AM
3

Depends. If you're constantly getting no's, they will morph into one big NO.
/r/seduction19/09/20 09:36 AM
1

It's a diluted version of TRP. Leans more towards red pill, rather than blue, but definitely not as extreme. Some pretty accurate threads, on the purple pill sub.
/r/ExRedPill19/09/20 02:03 AM
2

Even after a certain age, women still have lots of options and choices. It's not game over for them, that is commonly thought on here.
/r/seduction18/09/20 11:39 PM
1

I'm not superficial at all, in fact I'm probably the opposite. Although I'm naturally attracted to the hot girls, I know I've absolutely no chance with them. Therefore I aim for girls who I consider on my level, and yes I still find them attractive, but even with girls I think are my level, I have very little success. Girls of all levels of attractiveness want the top tier men, and aren't prepared to settle for less.
/r/seduction18/09/20 12:00 PM
1

Australia??? You've got to be joking! Women there are as superficial as UK and USA girls. I'm sorry, but in Aus looks matter just as much as anywhere else. I'll accept that Aussie girls are easier to talk to, and not as stuck up as those in the UK, but they'll still go for the best looking guys in terms of dating. It doesn't help that there are a huge number of good looking Aussie men either. Makes success even harder.
/r/seduction18/09/20 10:25 AM
0

Straight girls may like men, but they also have a huge amount to choose from, so naturally will go for the best looking first. I'm not saying that good looks give you guaranteed success, but they give you a huge advantage. I'm not sure where this mythical country is, that gives below average looking guys a decent chance of success.
/r/seduction18/09/20 10:05 AM
1

You're in a minority if you're an attractive woman who dates ugly guys. This type of thing is a rarity, not the norm.
/r/seduction18/09/20 09:49 AM
1

This is utter rubbish. You can improve your fitness, grooming, personality, confidence etc, and it may make you a bit more attractive, but not in the same way that good looks give that initial spark. That is all in the genetics, and the only way to change that is plastic surgery.
/r/seduction18/09/20 02:19 AM
1

Before the word "men" you forgot to include the words "good looking".
/r/seduction18/09/20 02:03 AM
1

Being yourself doesn't work, and is amongst the worst piece of advice. The smile, laugh and chat only works if you're in the top 15%.
/r/seduction17/09/20 11:11 PM
1

Easy for you to say.
/r/seduction17/09/20 09:01 PM
3

Another charlatan who claims that looks don't matter, and that any man can get any woman. No different to the countless other PUA coaches out there.
/r/ExRedPill17/09/20 02:50 AM
1

Nothing to do with red pill. It's just crap.
/r/ExRedPill16/09/20 11:21 AM
1

I'm surprised no one has recommended the dreadful Models yet, as the only book you should read.
/r/seduction16/09/20 09:25 AM
0

It's full of filler, could have been half the length it is, and doesn't offer any actionable advice.
/r/ExRedPill16/09/20 09:21 AM
-1

Leave Models alone. It's a dreadful book and will just cause you to overthink things, especially the neediness part.
/r/ExRedPill16/09/20 03:45 AM
0

You will make millions if you can figure that out.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 03:39 AM
1

All categories: never.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 02:45 AM
2

It will never happen.
/r/ExRedPill16/09/20 02:44 AM
1

I don't subscribe to blackpill views and philosophies, but good looks really are the key to success with women, especially in the first stages. Getting by with confidence and personality just doesn't cut it anymore.
/r/ExRedPill15/09/20 01:16 PM
1

5'5", average looking, regular social status dudes who can get laid easily This is actually a rarity and not something commonplace.
/r/ExRedPill15/09/20 01:10 PM
2

My heart bleeds. It must be so difficult to be able to have lots of sex with random women, and have life experiences that those of us who aren't attractive to women will rarely experience.
/r/ExRedPill15/09/20 01:04 PM
0

Models is vastly overrated, and a waste of time.
/r/ExRedPill14/09/20 02:58 AM
1

Assuming for one minute that the standard of men has dropped, what was the era that saw the start of the decline?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/20 02:56 AM
7

This is very true. What is described in OP only happens to good looking men. For those of us not genetically blessed, it never happens, or if it does it's an act of friendliness, not attraction.
/r/seduction12/09/20 11:44 PM
4

Only plastic surgery can stop ugliness. Anything else is papering over the cracks.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/20 11:28 PM
6

They may have a desire for men, but the men they do desire are a rarity, and they're not prepared to settle. Also the criteria for making it into the desirable bracket is constantly getting harder. Admittedly masculinity has taken a battering in today's society, but I don't think simply strengthening men would be enough to make them desired.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/20 05:04 AM
1

Pre-covid were there many doing daygame, and what were the results like?
/r/seduction12/09/20 01:27 AM
1

What's daygame like there?
/r/seduction11/09/20 11:57 PM
2

The men who have sex with attractive women either, have had years of learning experience or are just lucky enough to come along a woman who happens to be easy to get You'll find that the majority are naturals and / or top tier guys. Average men with little to no experience or LUCK with women shouldn't waste their time with trying to meet and have sex with women for reasons I mentioned before. And if a average men wants to be with women they should just hire prostitutes and if it's not legal then…
/r/seduction11/09/20 09:18 AM
-5

Maybe not as much in the past, but online dating and social media have changed all that. Now, good looks are essential. Women know they can attract guys that they wouldn't have had a chance with, pre-internet. If your mate has plenty of success with women, I doubt he's a 5 or 6.
/r/seduction11/09/20 08:43 AM
1

I'm not saying don't hit the gym, as obviously fitness is beneficial. I'm saying don't hit the gym with the expectation of becoming attractive to women, because unless you're good looking to start with, it won't have any effect. It will enhance a good looking man's attractiveness, but an ugly guy will just become an ugly guy with muscles. Similar happened to me. I fell for the lie, and hit the gym expecting women to notice me. Despite the good results physically, I'm still invisible to women.
/r/seduction11/09/20 03:44 AM
-5

Start working out (if you don’t already), you’ll get more attention as you get fitter. This advice should be taken with a pinch of salt. Attention from getting fit only happens if you have good looks to start with.
/r/seduction11/09/20 02:24 AM
16

Women are attracted to what you look like, and then who you are. If you don't have one, you can't have the other.
/r/seduction10/09/20 11:13 PM
1

It's looks first and foremost, so plastic surgery is the only realistic option.
/r/seduction10/09/20 07:37 AM
1

I'd agree with what you say about looks in the pre-internet days, but not now. Online dating and social media has conditioned women to judge men initially on looks alone. Do you think that women see an average looking man , but decide to check his profile just in case? They don't. If your looks don't meet the required standard, you're invisible. As for weight, I regularly go to the gym, and am in good shape, but my lack of facial attractiveness means no interest from women. My good friend, howev…
/r/seduction10/09/20 06:52 AM
1

For the 20%, there's one trait that's essential - looks. If you don't have that, you won't be breaking into the top tier, no matter what other good things you have going on.
/r/seduction10/09/20 06:13 AM
-7

Definitely looks. If you made a pie chart of what attracts women, at least half would be facial attractiveness, followed by the other traits.
/r/ExRedPill10/09/20 02:50 AM
2

Might be 3 billion men in the world, but only 20% of those are what women really desire. The rest of us have to try to magically make things happen. Technology hasn't helped things either.
/r/seduction10/09/20 02:46 AM
1

This 74% will include the top tier guys, above average guys, average guys, married men, ltr men, those who visit sex workers, those who get lucky, liars. The 26% who don't get sex will in the main be the bottom tier men who are single.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 08:37 AM
1

The men in this percentile are obviously not the bottom tier ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 07:46 AM
1

Possibly skewed, but I have no evidence to prove otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 06:57 AM
1

No. I'm basing my judgement on comments received and my lack of success with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 06:12 AM
1

Do you consider yourself average, above, or below? Definitely below. I reckon I'm a 3/10.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 04:57 AM
1

How many is multiple? Every guy has a different number in his head, and then for those guys, that number can be very different in theory rather than in practice- ie. thinks he wants to bang 100 chicks and realises he’s happy with 10. And are you talking about men of what age? Because libido decreases as we age. All these factors make this statement too simplistic. I think the number varies in a guy's situation. The guy who rarely gets laid just wants sex full stop. The nightclub player wants a d…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 04:17 AM
1

Most men don’t want or need multiple women though. I agree with the need part, but I reckon most men would love to have the opportunity to sleep with multiple women in their lifetime. I think the average number of sexual partners for a man is seven. I'd say that is on the high side and is probably skewed by the number of women the top tier men sleep with. Those that bang an average chick frequently are doing so in relationship, or if a good looking guy a FWB situation. For the majority of guys w…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 03:50 AM
1

Most men aren't successful in terms of having sex with multiple women. Only the top tier men are capable of that. For the other 80%, sex is either in a relationship or on rare occasions.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 03:24 AM
-2

Being done for harassment, having your gym membership cancelled, being known as the gym creep. I've seen it happen. Also in the metoo era, they'll always side with the woman.
/r/seduction09/09/20 12:02 AM
2

Other reasons to add to the mix are prostitution and guys who got lucky. Of the 74% of the men, there's a good chance that some of them only had one sexual encounter in the whole year.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 10:22 PM
1

I think you should go to a new gym. Word will get around unfortunately, and you don't want any repercussions.
/r/seduction08/09/20 10:27 AM
-1

Some fair points here.
/r/seduction08/09/20 10:25 AM
19

If an average women has 500 likes, it is only logical that she would select the top 20 men from those likes. This is why the Redpill exists (to be in those top 20) Even if you adopt a RP lifestyle, it won't necessarily put you in the top 20%. If you made a pie chart of what makes a top tier guy, at least half would be facial attractiveness. If you don't have that, you won't be in the top 20%, no matter what other traits you possess.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 12:32 AM
1

Only for the top tier men. Those not blessed with facial attractiveness usually have to wait a bit longer.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 12:24 AM
1

If you're doing well online, you've got to be good looking. It's 100% looks orientated.
/r/seduction07/09/20 08:37 PM
0

Lifting is overrated when it comes to attracting women. Only has any effect if you're good looking to start with.
/r/seduction06/09/20 11:53 AM
1

More options waiting in the wings. Never any danger that she'll be without someone to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 08:22 AM
-2

From experience, going for girls out of your league doesn't go well. That's why leagues exist. Better to go for girls in your own level of attractiveness, or lower. It's mostly girls that manage to date up.
/r/seduction06/09/20 07:45 AM
1

Visit a few prostitutes to get used to talking sexually with women. Will also help you to relax and stop overthinking things.
/r/seduction06/09/20 07:14 AM
3

I don't disagree with this, but the fact is he's already been noticed. Most guys who aren't blessed with looks don't get the chance to show their wonderful personalities, as they're generally rejected straight away. Also, for the record, being ripped has no bearing on whether you're good looking or not.
/r/seduction05/09/20 11:29 PM
1

Maybe with a women who's a work colleague, or who you know from a social circle, but not from online or a cold approach.
/r/seduction05/09/20 11:17 PM
1

Not initially. Good looks gets you noticed and gives you the opportunity to show your authenticity. Without looks you're practically invisible.
/r/seduction05/09/20 11:14 PM
13

I'm guessing you have good looks, which forms the basis for success with women.
/r/seduction05/09/20 02:56 PM
2

They only don't like it if they don't find the guy attractive. If he's a top tier guy, then it's a different reaction altogether.
/r/seduction04/09/20 09:01 AM
1

This book is so overrated on here. I read and listened to it, and fail to see why people rate it the way they do. It's full of waffle and filler, and could be half the length it is. Basically become the best version of yourself, be vulnerable (although the concept of vulnerability is poorly explained judging by the number of posts on here about it), and build a good life. Then what? He doesn't say. Also he wrongly claims that looks aren't important. That's the snakeoil PUA salesman coming out in…
/r/seduction03/09/20 11:15 AM
1

Unfortunately good looks are a prerequisite for the majority of women, so without them you're really going to struggle.
/r/seduction03/09/20 02:41 AM
7

PUA rubbish.
/r/seduction02/09/20 02:15 PM
-3

You're obviously a good looking man. Count your blessings. Some of us wish we'd have the life you've got, so quit complaining.
/r/ExRedPill01/09/20 11:42 PM
1

Hitting the gym may make you physically attractive, but does nothing if you're not facially attractive, which is where it matters. It will enhance the attractiveness of a good looking man, but an ugly guy who hits the gym becomes an ugly guy with muscles. This misinformation gets trotted out with great regularity.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/20 10:26 AM
1

Women are pickier than they used to be, and have far more choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/20 02:48 AM
31

Nothing will change much. The top tier men will get more sex than ever, women of all levels of attractiveness will be more eager to get with them, whilst continuing to shun the men that don't meet their standards, and all the other men will either get lucky or get nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/20 02:44 AM
5

Good to be in a position where you're good looking enough to choose who you want to sleep with. For most men, beggars can't be choosers.
/r/seduction01/09/20 02:36 AM
0

This is mostly true. Women will go out of their way to be with a top tier man. The level of your attractiveness is linked to how much success you have with women. Too many times I read posts from guys claiming they're average or below looking, yet have success with women. It's simply not true. Too many like to cling to the myth that looks aren't critical, and that confidence can compensated for a lack of facial attractiveness.
/r/seduction31/08/20 11:38 AM
-4

Women only check out the top 15% guys anyway. The amount of times you get checked out is an indicator of your level of attractiveness.
/r/seduction30/08/20 02:05 PM
2

Every post there seems like to have one answer "read the sidebar" That, or "lift".
/r/ExRedPill30/08/20 03:53 AM
-1

Game is rubbish. All it boils down to is good facial attractiveness, then followed by confidence. Have those two areas sorted, and you will have no trouble in attracting women. For average looking men with confidence, you will have to approach a lot of women to see any success, and probably not with the type of women that the good looking men get. For ugly men, even with confidence, it's a massive uphill battle, and "getting lucky" is to be taken literally. Success with women will be a rarity. T…
/r/ExRedPill29/08/20 10:36 AM
0

Most western women are the same.
/r/seduction29/08/20 12:54 AM
4

Dating Essentials for Men
/r/seduction28/08/20 01:40 AM
1

Leave Models alone, it's overrated. Robert Glover's other book is pretty good.
/r/seduction27/08/20 11:14 PM
2

Having your shit together only really works in social circle or work situations, where you can build attraction with less emphasis on looks. In online dating, good looks are essential and are just about as important in a bar / club setting. Without looks, your other attributes will never be seen because the interest or initial attraction won't be there.
/r/seduction27/08/20 10:32 AM
4

Or find a summary to save you the time spent going through the fluff. Even then you won't know how proceed.
/r/seduction27/08/20 07:24 AM
1

I doubt you were hideous or disgusting to start with, if you get comments like those. Sounds like you were just in need of improving your grooming habits, and congrats, it seems to have worked. Genetically ugly men remain invisible no matter what surface improvements they make.
/r/ExRedPill26/08/20 11:42 PM
1

These will improve your appearance slightly, but won't stop you from being ugly. Ugliness is down to genetics and features. The improvements you mentioned are just aspects of grooming.
/r/ExRedPill26/08/20 10:05 PM
2

Apart from cosmetic surgery, how can an ugly man stop being ugly?
/r/ExRedPill26/08/20 09:21 PM
1

I thought bars were open in the UK. You're right about it being socially unacceptable to cold approach women, especially if you're not in London.
/r/seduction26/08/20 02:41 PM
1

Yes it's easier for women to get both sex and relationships, the main reason being that the majority of men are prepared to settle for whatever woman they are capable of being successful with. It's not that women find it hard to get a relationship, it's that they struggle to find a man they think is good enough to have a relationship with.
/r/ExRedPill26/08/20 07:46 AM
3

It's essential you are good looking to start with. If not, casual sex is a highly unlikely option.
/r/seduction26/08/20 12:52 AM
0

It's a vastly overrated book that's full of fluff and theory, but with no actionable advice or a guide of how to make things happen.
/r/seduction24/08/20 11:43 AM
0

Every so often there's a witch hunt against PUA, and this must be the latest one. A combination of women outraged that they've been "had", and men feigning outrage, while secretly wishing they had the balls to do the same.
/r/seduction24/08/20 07:18 AM
1

The proof is in your success. Guys that aren't good looking don't get same day lays. Women have so much choice that they don't need to settle for a guy who isn't good looking, despite how horny she is.
/r/seduction23/08/20 09:27 PM
4

Only good looking men can get away with a lack of perfection. Those not blessed with facial attractiveness have to make sure their confidence and personality etc are on point, otherwise forget it.
/r/seduction23/08/20 09:51 AM
1

If girls did approach, it would only be toward the top 15-20%. Every other guy would be where they are now.
/r/seduction23/08/20 09:43 AM
-1

Obviously a good looking man.
/r/seduction23/08/20 09:39 AM
1

I think most men will meet their partner through social circle, or similar avenues, in which case a lack of facial attractiveness can be overcome with other attraction building traits. However, for the guys looking to be successful with many women, either through online or cold approach, looks are paramount.
/r/seduction23/08/20 09:32 AM
2

Lifting is vastly overrated. It's ok for personal development, but doing it because it will supposedly make you attractive to women, is a lie. If you're good looking to start with, it will enhance your attractiveness, but if you're not blessed with facial attractiveness, it won't make an ounce of difference.
/r/seduction23/08/20 07:35 AM
4

This sounds about right.
/r/seduction23/08/20 07:26 AM
1

Another popular myth is that looks don't matter, or that confidence and personality are more important than looks.
/r/seduction23/08/20 07:22 AM
1

This 100%
/r/ExRedPill23/08/20 05:20 AM
5

Lifting is overrated when it comes to increasing your attractiveness to women. Only enhances your attractiveness if you're good looking to start with. Just do it for fitness purposes, and nothing more.
/r/ExRedPill23/08/20 05:16 AM
1

Looks are more important than confidence, any day of the week. Good looks means you can get away with deficiencies in other areas, such as confidence and personality. A good looking man with minimal confidence beats a rock solid confident and average looking guy, any time.
/r/ExRedPill19/08/20 11:42 PM
1

What would you consider to be bad compared to masculine. I reckon there's certain traits that could overlap.
/r/seduction15/08/20 07:32 AM
0

Everthing you mentioned gets you walked over, disrespected, taken advantage of, and gets you nowhere with women.
/r/seduction13/08/20 10:52 AM
6

Women have that many options on apps, they can pick and choose from the best looking men available. Add to the fact that even lesser attractive women are getting attention from the type of guy that would have been unheard of, pre-internet days, they feel entitled to a top tier guy. The threshold of what is considered an attractive man, is very high these days.
/r/seduction13/08/20 12:10 AM
8

Sadly the only people that do well in today's dating scene are women and good looking men. For the rest of guys it's competing for the lucky chance of meeting a woman willing to give you the opportunity, with the chances becoming more remote, the less good looking you are. Unfortunately this will continue for the foreseeable future, and will probably get harder.
/r/seduction12/08/20 11:40 PM
1

I have hobbies I'm passionate about. I have friends, I regularly go to the gym, I groom and dress well. Hasn't made a bit of difference to my minimalist dating life.
/r/seduction12/08/20 10:21 PM
2

Confidence only comes into play once the woman is attracted and wants to get to know you, which is through good looks. Without those she will neither find out or want to know how confident you are. Ugly men have always had huge difficulty getting sex. The ones who say different are either not ugly at all, or are not as ugly as they think.
/r/ExRedPill12/08/20 01:11 PM
-6

Seriously, how many guys are successful with women because they have hobbies, friends, lifestyle? More to do with looks followed by confidence. The other stuff is useful, but only on a personal basis. If you're doing this thinking it will help attracting women, you're wasting your time. Models is vastly overrated on here.
/r/seduction12/08/20 01:02 PM
3

Even the bottom rung have minimum standards and choices. By no means easy.
/r/ExRedPill12/08/20 10:22 AM
0

Rubbish. For the attractive men in the world, sex may be easy to get. For ugly guys it's a rarity or even impossible. Hate how sex is normalised in the media and in general. Apart from women and good looking men, it's far from being a normal regular occurance.
/r/ExRedPill12/08/20 02:48 AM
1

Yes, it's a huge advantage and gives you a good chance of the approach going further. A lack of looks will make things a whole lot harder, and you'll have to approach a lot more women before you get any small success.
/r/seduction11/08/20 10:24 AM
9

they secretly love all the attention they get from guys they find at least remotely attractive This is the key part here. Sadly the threshold for being considered attractive is high and is constantly increasing.
/r/seduction10/08/20 11:46 PM
6

Only good looks will help you to achieve this. Admittedly you also need confidence and personality, but it's definitely facial attractiveness first and foremost.
/r/ExRedPill10/08/20 11:37 PM
2

This man speaks the truth. Despite all the bullshit that's said about women being the same anywhere in the world, it really is a different ball game in the UK. Look at UK in fields. Nearly all are filmed in London, where there's as much chance of meeting an overseas girl than a British girl, and most successes shown are with girls from overseas. Probably why they never film infields in other British cities.
/r/seduction10/08/20 12:29 PM
1

Smiling only works if you have good looks to start with. Most women would label a smiling ugly guy as being creepy.
/r/seduction10/08/20 12:16 PM
2

It's the face. I've had comments from people over the years, which more or less confirms that it's true. My track record in attracting women has been pretty poor too.
/r/ExRedPill09/08/20 11:43 PM
6

Totally wrong. Women just have to turn up and wait to be approached, then decide whether to accept or reject. Hardly equal.
/r/seduction09/08/20 12:56 PM
6

This has been a problem for me, especially being an ugly guy. Not surprising, most random men I see are far better looking than me, and makes me realise how difficult it is to attract women when I'm up against these guys.
/r/ExRedPill09/08/20 06:24 AM
4

In face to face situations maybe, but online it's looks that determine whether it goes further or not.
/r/ExRedPill09/08/20 04:33 AM
2

Only for the genetically blessed.
/r/ExRedPill09/08/20 12:55 AM
0

Yes, but a lot rests on good looks essentially, followed by confidence, personality etc, especially if you're using online dating or cold approach in bars / clubs. Alternatively you can use hobbies or social circles, where good looks aren't as important, but will probably more geared toward building attraction for a relationship, rather than hook ups or casual sex.
/r/ExRedPill09/08/20 12:54 AM
2

Not all women are like that, admittedly, but there are a lot of truths and familiarities here.
/r/ExRedPill08/08/20 02:32 AM
-1

Made no difference at all. I fell for the lie that is hit the gym, and women will start noticing you. The results from getting a good physique only help if you're good looking to start with. Muscles enhance your initial attractiveness, not make you attractive.
/r/seduction08/08/20 01:21 AM
4

Women care about looks, just the same as men do, however I think this requirement has increased since the advent of online dating, where judgement of a potential partner is based on a photo. Ugly guys (or not as ugly as you think) having the ability to attract multiple partners is an extreme rarity. The vast majority struggle to attract women of any level of attractiveness, and have very few options.
/r/ExRedPill06/08/20 11:58 PM
1

Australia. In most couples I know, or randomly see, the man is more attractive than the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 11:27 AM
2

3% man. Models is vastly overrated. Lots of fluff with no real plan or instruction of how to put what Manson says into practice.
/r/seduction03/08/20 03:23 AM
1

I look at the couples I know, and those I see in public. Very few has the woman as the hotter of the two. FYI I'm in Australia. May be different in your country.
/r/ExRedPill02/08/20 11:38 PM
1

He is not ugly. But he ain't pretty. So by that statement, it sounds like he's average. There's a world of difference between ugly and average.
/r/ExRedPill02/08/20 08:45 AM
1

Rubbish. It's not the case where I'm from. In the majority of couples I see, the man is more attractive than the woman. The often mentioned ugly guy with hot girl is very much a rarity.
/r/ExRedPill02/08/20 08:02 AM
2

You obviously have good looks to start with, and chances are women noticed you to start with, but you never noticed. The gains you've made in the gym have enhanced your attractiveness, and you've gained confidence from finally seeing that women are noticing you. In a nutshell, you were good looking anyway.
/r/seduction02/08/20 06:03 AM
0

If an ugly guy has hopes of landing a top tier woman, then I admire his ambition, but realistically it isn't going to happen, and he'd be better looking towards women in his own level of attractiveness. Sadly, women in his level of attractiveness have designs on attractive men, and would sooner go without than settle for an ugly guy. Then they complain about being single and there being no good men around. In the meantime, ugly guy remains single and loveless, even if he sets his sights on women…
/r/ExRedPill02/08/20 05:51 AM
1

More often than not, and certainly in my case, ugly refers to bad facial attractiveness and genetics.
/r/ExRedPill02/08/20 05:42 AM
1

You can't compare alleged ugly celebrities with a bog standard ugly guy in the street. It's their fame, status and money which makes them "attractive". Without it they'd experience the same issues as everyday ugly guys.
/r/ExRedPill02/08/20 04:09 AM
2

I doubt very much you're as ugly if you say you are. Truly ugly men have minimal sexual experiences, if any. I've seen plenty of guys who claim to be ugly, yet when you see them they're average at worst, and more often than not, good looking.
/r/ExRedPill02/08/20 02:22 AM
-7

Not where I'm from. The often mentioned counter argument of hot women with an ugly man is a rarity in my experience.
/r/ExRedPill02/08/20 02:18 AM
0

I think with the advent of the internet and online dating, dating options have become far worse for ugly men. Before then, it was difficult for ugly men, but far from being as difficult as it is today. The choices and attention that women of all levels of attractiveness get on these sites, and from men who are more attractive than they are, means that ugly men have heaps of competition, with a bigger advantage, and have a lot less options than in previous times.
/r/ExRedPill02/08/20 12:05 AM
1

It's face first and foremost.
/r/ExRedPill01/08/20 11:42 PM
-29

If you look around at the majority of couples, you'll notice that the man is more attractive than the woman. Woman even in the lower levels of attractiveness have more dating options than men.
/r/ExRedPill01/08/20 11:40 PM
1

Maybe not for LTR, but as a short term thing it sparks excitement and makes knickers wet.
/r/seduction01/08/20 07:29 AM
4

If I waited for ioi's, I wouldn't have ever approached a woman. The only guys that mostly get them are the good looking ones.
/r/seduction01/08/20 06:54 AM
0

What these guys have is confidence, personality, narcissism and, most importantly, looks. Forget your hobbies, muscles, self improvement etc. If you possess these four traits you are golden with women.
/r/seduction01/08/20 06:50 AM
9

Bullshit. I chew gum on a daily basis, and have done for years, and not for this reason. It has had no effect on how my jaw looks, in fact my jawline is one of the areas I dislike most. This is snake oil.
/r/seduction01/08/20 12:30 AM
4

Only to a certain point. Improvements to fitness, hobbies, confidence, dress sense have the potential to increase your attractiveness, but the primary component is your looks. Facial attractiveness is what creates the spark.
/r/ExRedPill31/07/20 02:18 AM
2

True. On the other hand, it would be good to be considered attractive enough that women would want to pass me around or have a turn. Not in my lifetime.
/r/ExRedPill30/07/20 11:03 PM
1

Tinder and clubs, providing you are a good looking man. Casual sex is nigh on impossible if you're not genetically blessed.
/r/ExRedPill30/07/20 10:37 PM
2

All women aren't like that, but at the same time you dodged a bullet. Sounds like she enjoys the attention and drama. Suitable for one night, or a fuck buddy, but definitely not relationship material. Choose better next time. They're not all bad.
/r/ExRedPill28/07/20 02:54 AM
1

Sounds like the message from the infamous gillette ad.
/r/seduction24/07/20 11:33 PM
2

Is the real problem that guys in general don't approach you, or that guys you find attractive don't approach you?
/r/ExRedPill23/07/20 03:24 AM
2

Even in the pub you can get the look of "who the fuck are you?" Really tends to be social circle game in the UK.
/r/seduction22/07/20 11:43 PM
2

Wrong. Even seasoned American PUA"s have said how difficult it is, and totally different to approaching girls in the states.
/r/seduction22/07/20 11:41 PM
7

Good looks. Anything else comes after this.
/r/seduction18/07/20 03:11 PM
1

Need to accept that your looks determine a lot of the outcome. Doesn't matter what books you've read, if you don't meet the minimum standards required, it's not going to happen. Agree with the experience part. Need to get out there to determine the level of girl that you've got a realistic chance of attracting, instead of someone out of your league.
/r/seduction18/07/20 09:38 AM
2

Yes, I agree with that part, but the concept of using PUA tactics just to get women is far from easy. Look at the stats of most PUA's. They're terrible considering the amount of approaches made.
/r/ExRedPill17/07/20 07:59 AM
2

It's far from easy.
/r/ExRedPill16/07/20 11:14 PM
2

A contributing factor is how dating and meeting women has changed due to technology, and unless you're a good looking man, it's not for the better. This has given rise to a lot of desperate, single men, who are prepared to take any advice or help, to try to get them on the dating ladder and meet the high standards required to succeed with women.
/r/ExRedPill16/07/20 11:12 PM
3

My guess is that you have good looks. Even if you are nerdy or don't particularly dress well, good looks give you a huge advantage overall.
/r/seduction16/07/20 10:00 AM
1

Reckon there's something in it. In the majority of couples I see, the man is more attractive than woman. A sign of the minimum standards of attractiveness that women are prepared to accept.
/r/ExRedPill16/07/20 07:35 AM
2

I'm not sure, but I wish I had the looks to be able to find out.
/r/seduction12/07/20 12:52 AM
2

No. It's like the often used point in the looks debate about the ugly looking guy with the hot looking partner. It happens, but it's an extreme rarity.
/r/seduction12/07/20 12:49 AM
2

Out of interest, what age women do you tend to approach, and what sort of reaction do you get when rejected? How do you normally approach? Being of older years, I'm intrigued and find what you're saying inspiring. Shows that it's not game over after a certain age.
/r/seduction10/07/20 02:21 AM
5

I've never understood the love for Models. Found it overrated. Lots of interesting theories and advice, but nothing in the way of putting it into practice.
/r/seduction09/07/20 10:48 AM
1

Take him outside and batter him.
/r/seduction08/07/20 11:43 PM
5

Which is exactly where I want to be. It's a long and difficult process!
/r/seduction05/07/20 01:17 AM
1

Maybe, but the ugliness is a big contributing factor.
/r/seduction02/07/20 12:19 PM
1

Because you had decent looks to start with. The muscles just enhanced your attractiveness. If these guys were below average looking, the muscles would have little effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 02:24 PM
2

I've struggled to believe the rare occasion when a girl is supposed to be interested in me. Still you should go for it, but I've dated a girl that was out of my league, and the amount of shit I had to deal with, from better looking men was unreal. Be warned.
/r/seduction14/06/20 10:41 AM
1

Even in real life, you see pretty girls with ugly men fairly often, but rarely the reverse. This is rubbish. Of all the couples I know, the man is the more attractive of the two, in the majority of them. Likewise, when I'm observing couples in general, the same applies to a lot of them. Rather than it being a rarity, it's actually the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/20 07:48 AM
2

Unfortunately FB and FWB are similar to one night stands in that it's guys on the higher scale of facial attractiveness that are able to get them. For the majority out of this area, this is practically impossible to achieve.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/20 08:01 AM
1

there's a good study floating around that shows men (generally not always of course) evaluate themselves a "point or two out of 10" higher than they actually are, which wouldn't surprise me at all. If that's the case I must be bottom of the barrel.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/20 03:50 AM
1

If you were to make a pie chart of what attracts women, at least 50% of it would be looks. The rest would be made up of other traits such as confidence, personality, fitness etc, in varying percentages. No matter what you may read or hear, it's facial attractiveness that sparks the initial attraction. The other traits are just attraction builders.
/r/ExRedPill10/06/20 06:37 AM
1

Don't fall for the lie, like I did, that hitting the gym will make you more attractive to women. All the muscles do is enhance what level your facial attractiveness is to start with. If you're good looking, you'll reap the benefits. If, like me, you're below average, you'll just be an ugly guy with muscles. As many have already said here, hit the gym for just yourself, not for some fairytale told by liars.
/r/seduction31/05/20 04:29 PM
0

Possible, for guys on that level, but difficult. If a woman is going to have casual sex, or fwb situation, she's going to have plenty of offers and options to choose from, even if she's on the average to below level. Naturally she's going to choose the best looking men available. For guys on the average to below level, it's highly unlikely and really would be a case of "getting lucky".
/r/ExRedPill30/05/20 07:56 AM
1

Tell me how I'm wrong.
/r/seduction17/05/20 08:35 AM
6

No. It'll will be the same as before, except everyone will be hornier. The accessibility and difficulty will stay the same.
/r/seduction17/05/20 12:59 AM
1

It's looks that get your foot in the door, when it comes to attraction, and your personality determines whether it stays there or not. Obviously a lack of personality will be forgiven depending on how attractive you are. Another factor to consider is setting. Getting success in a cold approach, with just personality, will be nigh on impossible, with looks being the key here. On the other hand, in a social circle (friends / work colleagues) there is a good chance that personality can build attrac…
/r/seduction14/05/20 06:48 AM
2

Being ugly is one of the worst traits a man can have. It puts you on the lowest level when it comes to how you're treated by others, or your very limited options (if any) when it comes to love. Trust me it doesn't change or get better as you get older. Also, don't fall for the advice that getting fit in the gym, or improving your dress sense / haircut will magically make you attractive, like I did. It only works or adds to your attractiveness if you're facially attractive to start with.
/r/ExRedPill13/05/20 07:54 AM
3

Looks, Money, Status.
/r/seduction31/03/20 08:16 AM
6

This is an often perpetrated myth. You might have a chance if you have LMS, but for the vast majority, it's not going to happen.
/r/seduction31/03/20 01:56 AM
2

But the level of attractiveness does come into play, right? Even if they're respectful and non abusive.
/r/seduction29/03/20 02:52 AM
1

, I know a bunch of ugly dudes who are happily married to average/good looking women. How are their marriages? From experience, relationships between ugly guys and attractive women usually tanks, especially in the bedroom, when eventually she realises she could do better, and he knows he's constantly under threat from better looking men.
/r/ExRedPill29/03/20 01:22 AM
2

You forgot the purple pill.
/r/ExRedPill12/02/20 07:23 PM
1

In my opinion, everything changed with technology, and the rising popularity of online dating. Suddenly everything became more visual, especially for women. Sadly, the only people who have benefited from this "advancement" are women in general, and good looking men.
/r/ExRedPill07/02/20 02:31 AM
1

The reason I've emphasised facial attractiveness is because for a number of years I've been working on my physique, my confidence, my dress and grooming, and my social skills. None of these has made one bit of difference as to women finding me attractive, despite what the books and internet tell you. The only thing that hasn't changed is my face. I'm not suggesting that looks is the only thing that matters. Personality, confidence and other traits come into play, but these are attraction builder…
/r/ExRedPill07/02/20 01:14 AM
0

In malls that I visit, in most of the couples that I see, it's the man that is the better looking of the two.
/r/ExRedPill06/02/20 10:18 PM
2

I should point out that I'm not some bitter incel. I do manage to get dates with women, albeit not as frequent as a guy with good facial attractiveness. Nearly all of the women I meet are either through social circle or meetup groups, where I am able to attract women over a few interactions and meetings. For someone of my level of attractiveness, random approaches, meeting women in bars and clubs, and online dating are just not an option. In these areas it's looks all the way, and areas where wo…
/r/ExRedPill06/02/20 10:14 PM
-1

Making friends, whether it be male or female, isn't really a problem when it comes to attractiveness. When you want to meet someone because you're attracted them, and are looking to date and ultimately sleep with them, your own level of attractiveness is crucial to this becoming a reality.
/r/ExRedPill06/02/20 07:05 PM
-3

Only problem there is that men are more likely and willing to date lower than their equivalent in attractiveness. Therefore if you see a woman who's roughly on a par in looks, there's a good chance she gets attention from men who are better looking than you are. So, if you're at the lower end of the attractiveness scale, you don't have many options or choice.
/r/ExRedPill06/02/20 01:43 AM
3

“getting laid is easy, trying to get laid is hard”. No. Both are as equally difficult.
/r/ExRedPill27/01/20 10:36 PM
1

I know couples where sexual attraction never existed, and any attraction there was, was based on comfort providing. I can't speak for OP, but the men in these relationships were constantly frustrated at the lack of sex.
/r/ExRedPill16/01/20 05:53 AM
3

Acceptance is a word that jumps out at me here, and is something I'm going to therapy for. My ultimate goal is to be able to look in the mirror without judging how I look in a negative manner and to stop comparing how I look to other men. Basically I want to be able to live my life being comfortable with how I look and accepting of my level of attractiveness, whatever that may be.
/r/ExRedPill16/01/20 05:49 AM
2

Symmetry is very important, and sometimes underplayed when it comes to determining a person's facial attractiveness.
/r/ExRedPill16/01/20 01:46 AM
2

Mate, I can fully sympathise. Red pill has also left me feeling that I'm not sexually attractive to women. I have put a lot of work in, to improve myself generally, such as getting physically fit, dressing and grooming well, improving my posture and self confidence. Although I don't regret these improvements, they haven't made any difference in how women perceive me. I am no more attractive to them now than I was before. All I can put it down to is my lack of facial attractiveness and symmetry. …
/r/ExRedPill16/01/20 12:03 AM
6

I read it and wish I hadn't. For starters the bloke uses 10 words when one would do. Secondly, all it did was give me the view of that unless you're a top 20% male, any relationship you have is doomed, and is just a matter of time before she cheats or moves on. Also doesn't give any solution to avoid this happening. A very toxic book, and one I'd tell people to avoid.
/r/ExRedPill11/01/20 04:25 AM
1

So wrong. When i go out, the majority of couples I see, the man is the more attractive than the woman. It's very rare that I see a below average guy with an attractive woman. Also, I don't set my sights on women that are out of my league, in fact it's the opposite. The problem is that the girls on my level or lower are getting attention from guys who are far better looking than me. It's getting to the stage where guys of a certain level of attractiveness have very few options in the dating world…
/r/ExRedPill07/01/20 08:15 PM
1

Not fucked, but a big disadvantage, especially in this era of online dating where women are bombarded with messages and attention from men with good facial attractiveness.
/r/ExRedPill05/01/20 11:30 PM
1

What do you class as "conventional" attractiveness? I've seen men of all shapes, sizes and heights in relationships or have success with women, but have one thing in common. They have good facial structure or attractiveness. From experience, women subconsciously know as soon as they meet a man, if they will sleep with him at any point. This is regardless of how good a man's personality is.
/r/ExRedPill05/01/20 10:51 PM
1

So what I’m asking is what is the solution for men that aren’t attractive? I have empathy for them because every guy I talked to wants female companionship (girlfriend not just fucking many women). Im not exactly a exredpill because I haven’t fully went in depth with it because it’s all smoke and mirrors to me so far As an unattractive guy, it's the answer I've been searching for years, and without success, and despite many improvements I've implemented along the way, the solution doesn’t get an…
/r/ExRedPill05/01/20 10:32 AM
6

The often mentioned 80/20 principal in effect here, and on tinder.
/r/ExRedPill30/12/19 10:42 PM
1

If you're 27 and you've had three sexual partners, that's not actually bad going. I know guys (me included ) who had worse stats at that age. Use that knowledge as a reinforcement that if you've done it before, you can do it again.
/r/ExRedPill29/12/19 08:47 PM
3

I'm assuming great = good looking. That's the problem. Women do want us to succeed, as long as we're the minimum standard of attractiveness. If we fall below that standard, they're hoping and praying that we don't approach them and have to reject us.
/r/seduction25/11/19 05:49 AM
2

Exactly. Well done to him, but this is just an example of a rare occurance, and certainly not the norm. A bit like in a looks matter debate, where someone points out that you see many ugly guys with hot girls. Truth of the matter is that it does happen, but again is not commonly seen.
/r/ExRedPill12/11/19 10:42 PM
1

I wonder if I would have more options living in a bigger city - maybe one of the Northern ones. Don’t be fooled by the so-called northern hospitality. People are as guarded and suspicious as any other part of the UK, girls especially. I think there is a reason that none of the coaches do their infields outside of London, and a lack of tourists /overseas girls is probably it.
/r/seduction30/10/19 05:53 AM
1

Wrong. Women are looks orientated, without doubt, however I think the abundance of interest from men online has added fuel to the importance of looks than in pre-internet days.
/r/TheRedPill08/03/19 10:52 AM
1

Lifting is overrated when it comes to raising attractiveness. An average to below average looking guy will still have the same level of facial attractiveness even after getting bigger in the gym. By all means, promote the gym for it's benefits of getting a good physique, but not for increasing your attractiveness to women.
/r/TheRedPill08/03/19 10:45 AM
1

You know why? Because an average-to-ugly face is passable if you're fit and strong. The biggest lie that's constantly spouted.
/r/TheRedPill08/03/19 08:02 AM
2

No. Tyler is used a lot when examples are given of less than good looking PUA's. At worst he is average. If I was at his level of attractiveness, I probably wouldn't complain.
/r/seduction03/10/18 09:11 AM
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By all means, work out and get a good physique, but don't over play the benefits. Unless you're good looking to start with, getting a good physique isn't going to make you attractive to women. However if you are good looking it will enhance and possibly increase your attractiveness. Although working out has without doubt, many benefits, it's not the magic pill for attracting women, that is often suggested on this and other subs.
/r/seduction01/10/18 09:08 AM
3

No. It's good facial attractiveness that gets you noticed with women, and spark the initial attraction. Physique and the other traits are what builds the attraction, not create it. Personally I have seen no difference in how women react around me from before I started going to the gym, to how I am now. Despite all my physical improvements, my facial looks stay the same.
/r/seduction30/09/18 09:15 PM
2

Hitting the gym and getting lean only helps if you have good looks to start with. It isn't going to make a below average looking guy an attractive one. Will just create a fit / lean below average looking guy. I'm a big believer in getting fit, but it's a common misconception on here, that hitting the gym will make you good looking.
/r/seduction30/09/18 06:16 AM
0

Even so, I'd be very surprised if you don't receive any attention from men. Not casting aspersions on your level of attractiveness, but women of all levels get attention from men all the time. I admit though, you'd get more opportunities in a big city.
/r/seduction28/09/18 04:43 AM
2

So you never get approached or notice men checking you out?
/r/seduction28/09/18 03:35 AM
1

Yes I suppose with law of averages, you'll eventually find a girl who'll be into your look. Even in the UK! Out of interest, roughly how many approaches have you made to get your 7 successes? Also was it daygame or nightgame or both?
/r/seduction22/09/18 05:01 PM
1

Hey, I'm not saying it's easy, and most of the time women will look at me as if I've got 2 heads for having the audacity to approach them, but compared to the looksfest that is nightgame, I get more success with daygame. I should also point out that I tend to be based outside of London.
/r/seduction22/09/18 12:31 PM
1

Fairly ugly facially I don't doubt your success with women, and hats off to you, but I think you're downplaying your looks somewhat, especially living in the UK, where looks are more important than in other countries.
/r/seduction22/09/18 12:22 PM
1

Mostly Australia, but spend some time in UK too.
/r/seduction22/09/18 12:01 PM
1

Your experience is totally different to mine. I find that nightgame is nearly all looks orientated, and that girls will make it pretty obvious if you meet the standard of looks required. Unfortunately, if you don't reach that standard, your chances will be very limited. With daygame, although I won't dispute that looks still matter, but due to the environment where cold approaching is not the norm, the competition isn't there, like in nightgame, and as such, a guy with average to below attractiv…
/r/seduction22/09/18 06:49 AM
3

Great link. Gives me hope for the future. Good to see older guys doing daygame and getting results.
/r/seduction18/09/18 06:44 AM
6

Interesting read, but it's bloody long winded. For simple folk, like me, it can be difficult at times.
/r/seduction14/09/18 11:02 PM
1

Sylvester Stallone is not a below average looking guy by any stretch of the imagination. If he is, then I'm fucked. Muscles are looks as in terms of physical attractiveness, I don't dispute that, however they have little or no effect on your facial attractiveness, which is what women notice first.
/r/seduction14/09/18 03:29 AM
1

Women are more attracted to muscles, confidence, and emotional stability I disagree. All muscles do if you are below average looking, is create a ripped ugly guy. I fell for the lie about lifting increasing your attractiveness, and although it increases your physical attractiveness, if you dont have the looks to start with, it makes little difference. More and more I see evidence that it's looks that play a huge part in attracting women, not the other mentioned traits.
/r/seduction14/09/18 02:34 AM
2

There is a popular story in the psychological community about a middle-aged virgin that decided he was going to commit suicide. But before he did, he decided to spend a few grand on cocaine and hookers, so he would "go out with a bang!". Turns out after few weeks of doing blow and banging a different hot girl every day, he wasn't depressed anymore and decided against taking his own life. This is actually a pretty heartwarming story. Maybe a better alternative to being on anti depressants for yea…
/r/seduction13/09/18 11:13 PM
2

The problem with tinder is the vast attention that women of all levels of attractiveness get from men who, in the past, would have hardly looked at them. This is turn creates the situation where only the most attractive guys see any success.
/r/seduction13/09/18 11:06 PM
2

Add be good looking to that list.
/r/seduction13/09/18 10:50 PM
1

Wouldn't say I've had plenty. More like some action. To be honest, being a below average guy, I have to play to my strengths, which is being good socially. Therefore, most of my success has come in social events, by building attraction over a few interactions rather than cold approach. Thankfully, technology has had little impact in this area, however as far as online dating goes, the advantages lie with attractive guys and women of all levels of attractiveness.
/r/seduction13/09/18 09:41 AM
1

If there’s one thing that actually getting girls taught me is that the difficulty level of doing so is way overblown. You need to try but it shouldn’t be a herculean task. The difficulty is not overblown, and gets higher the less attractive you are. The amount of hoops an average man has to jump through, to see any success with women is ridiculous, and getting worse, thanks to unrealistic expectations of women.
/r/seduction12/09/18 06:17 AM
1

If anything, technology has had the opposite effect. Women of all levels of attractiveness have to put in little effort due to extraordinary levels of attention, only the best looking men get the opportunities, and the average to below looking guys are left in the wilderness.
/r/seduction12/09/18 06:10 AM
1

Legal in Australia, but still the same attitudes as in countries where it's illegal.
/r/seduction12/09/18 06:06 AM
2

But they do matter. There's tons of evidence to support this. Clothing, physique, grooming etc are things that enhance your attractiveness, if you have it to begin with. What they don't do is make an unattractive guy good looking.
/r/seduction10/09/18 12:56 AM
1

Without doubt having good facial attractiveness gives you a huge advantage when meeting women. Not saying it's a guarantee of success, as it's very much possible for good looking guys to fuck up their interactions. Having said that, it's easier for a lesser looking guy to stuff up, as the good looking guy will be given more opportunities. Ultimately it's whether your looks meet the minimum standard of the girl in question. The cultural aspect is also important when it comes to the importance of …
/r/seduction09/09/18 09:23 PM
2

The importance of looks isn't an under-estimation, it's plain to see. In most circumstances, when meeting women, the facially attractive guy will have a huge advantage over lesser attractive ones, no matter how good their physique is, how much money they have, how humorous or good at telling stories etc. I'm not saying good looks is a guarantee of success, but it's harder to fuck up, in interactions with women, and they'll let you fuck up more than the lesser attractive guy.
/r/seduction09/09/18 11:14 AM
2

Things that make men attractive - Smelling good (invest in good cologne), hygiene (be clean), good haircuts, a nice physique sculpted in the gym, financial success etc Facial attractiveness is far more important to women than the above traits. These are things that enhance attractiveness, not create it.
/r/seduction08/09/18 12:22 PM
1

Maybe not obsess, but looks are a huge factor when women make a choice. Online dating and bars or clubs are prime examples of this. Deny it all you want, but that's how it is. The other things you mention come into play AFTER the woman is attracted.
/r/seduction05/09/18 10:38 PM
6

No we don't really care about your looks as long as you aren't the Hunchback of Notre Dame Rubbish. The threshold for male attractiveness has never been higher.
/r/seduction05/09/18 08:34 PM
7

I know I need to get over it but it's so frustrating lol. Good looking people are just playing on a whole different level that 'game' can't come close to competing with! (I have a better body by the way, but his face is like tonnes more handsome) This part alone sums up the difference and advantages between having good looks and game. Also shows how facial attractiveness trumps a good physique.
/r/seduction04/09/18 08:56 PM
8

If there's ever a post which perfectly captures the problems of game in the UK, outside of London, it's this one. Everything said here is 100% correct.
/r/seduction30/08/18 08:25 PM
1

What are the 20?
/r/seduction30/08/18 02:50 AM
1

Mate, I fully sympathise with you. I used to have similar dreams, but the truth of the matter is that guys like us are never going to be womanizers. I'm not saying that we can't attract women, but the section of women that find us attractive is way smaller than for good looking guys. My advice would be to become the best version of yourself, but at the same time be realistic as to what to expect regarding success with women. Also, don't be drawn in to the false promises that you'll come across. …
/r/seduction25/08/18 09:58 AM
0

I went from "fat and ugly" to "attractive and handsome" Not possible. You can be fat and get fit, which will increase your physical attractiveness, however it won't make you ugly into handsome. By getting fit, your facial attractiveness will improve, but you need to have good genetics to begin with.
/r/seduction23/08/18 03:27 AM
4

It works both ways on here. Guys that claim they're attractive , but have no luck with women. I'm guessing they're not as good looking as they think. Alternatively, you get guys claiming they're unattractive , yet they give examples of the success they've had with women. Wouldn't mind betting they're a lot better looking than they make themselves out to be. Ultimately, the true test of someone's level of attractiveness is how much attention or interest they get from women. The more you get, the …
/r/seduction23/08/18 02:38 AM
2

Neither seem to be needed. Even better is that looks aren't a prerequisite either, unlike nightgame, online or daygame. Make sure you go with the event in mind, not with the sole intention of meeting a woman. Also, make sure you get to know everyone there, guys and women you're not attracted to, not just the hot girls. As I said previously, everyone in the group will sense if you're there to pick up.
/r/seduction20/08/18 06:20 AM
2

Stick to hikes and hobby like meetups This 100%. In fact, depending on the event, many times I've found the male to female ratio to be in favour of the male.
/r/seduction19/08/18 09:19 PM
1

And guys who start attending dance classes.
/r/seduction19/08/18 03:15 PM
2

No just rsvp to events online, and just show up.
/r/seduction19/08/18 03:14 PM
29

Meetup groups have been a revelation for me. Have been able to attract women, over a few events, through personality. Only advice I'll give is that you have a genuine interest in the event you're attending. The women can smell a mile off if a guy is there just looking to pickup. Really obvious to everyone there.
/r/seduction19/08/18 12:20 PM
1

I find that good looks allows a guy to make more fuck ups during the initial interaction. An average to below guy would get blown out instantly, if he made the same fuck ups, but girls are a lot more forgiving to guys with good looks.
/r/seduction19/08/18 03:42 AM
2

You have the most important trait sorted - your looks. Get the other stuff sorted out, such as confidence and personality, and you will start seeing better results. Ultimately you are starting with a huge advantage that some of us could only wish for.
/r/seduction18/08/18 11:19 PM
2

Mid 30s here and less than that.
/r/seduction18/08/18 11:14 PM
1

I mainly use Tinder or I meet girls through common friends. I don’t see myself as very attractive. I’m probably somewhere around average in looks If you're pulling girls from Tinder, you're not average.
/r/seduction18/08/18 07:34 AM
1

Unless you look like a fucking troll you’ve literally just established value, class, and a bit of mystery. All things women are willing to overlook conventional physical attraction for. Rubbish. These things will enhance your attractiveness if the woman finds you attractive to begin with. If she doesn't then your value, class or mystery will go unnoticed. If you demonstrate that you're wealthy, that could admittedly have an effect.
/r/seduction16/08/18 05:32 AM
1

That was my point, there aren't many and certainly not ugly. James Tusk is a very good looking guy. Before the usual examples come in, I don't consider the likes of Tyler or Yad as ugly.
/r/seduction16/08/18 03:39 AM
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I literally said this is a good technique for people who ARENT conventionally attractive. You’re building an interest through how you carry yourself and manufacturing an organic opening. If anything, something like this would only happen to Don Draper or other good looking guys, NOT someone who isn't attractive to women. Assuming you're in the States, maybe it's a cultural thing. Can vouch that this scenario wouldn't happen to an unattractive guy in a UK or Australian bar.
/r/seduction16/08/18 03:35 AM
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This can be hard to believe at first, but imagine you were stranded on a desert island with a woman. Let’s say this woman is physically unattractive to you – on your personal scale, she’s a 5 out of 10. Normally, you wouldn’t sleep with this girl, she’s just not attractive enough. However, now that you’re stranded on a desert island with her, she’s getting more attractive by the day. It might take a few days, it might take a few months (or only a few minutes), but eventually, you’d fuck her. It’…
/r/seduction15/08/18 11:40 PM
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Yes do. If you're below average looking, you'll just have to make a lot more approaches before you find a woman that finds you appealing. Would avoid bars and clubs to be honest. Women there are expecting to be approached and are a lot more pickier, due to the choice they have from the better looking guys that you're competing against.
/r/seduction15/08/18 09:39 PM
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Leagues do exist. The time spent whilst dating the hottest gf I had wasn't particularly easy, not her but the attitude of other guys when we were out. You could tell with their actions and attitude that they clearly thought there was a huge disparity between me and my gf's attractiveness levels. To be fair they were right. Since then I've dated women who were not as hot, and the reactions from other guys clearly isn't the same. It is possible for someone to be out of your league.
/r/seduction15/08/18 09:30 PM
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So many youtube PUA's are very handsome now. It's a good way to make a career as a PUA if you are above average in looks (because you can just claim it's 'game' and charge people £500 for a session and do 3 a day (1.5k per day!)) If they believed what they taught, they' all wear super realistic latex ugly masks lol When the likes of James Tusk makes a video saying that looks don't matter, I tend to wonder how would he know. He's not the only one either.
/r/seduction15/08/18 09:15 PM
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As often said, looks get your foot in the door, especially with cold approaches. I think the only scenario where a girl can become attracted to you, after there was no initial attraction, is in social circles, where time spent in interactions can result in the girl being attracted by your personality rather than looks. Other than that its a numbers game, with more cold approaches needed to be made to find a girl who finds you attractive and especially if you're average to below in looks.
/r/seduction15/08/18 11:50 AM
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Getting laid is not nearly as hard anymore. And There is not nearly as much interest in getting laid when most people who want it can get casual sex easily. Agree with what you said apart from the above. Easier for who? Women of all levels of attractiveness, definitely, and for good looking guys too. For average and below looking guys, online has made it harder to get laid. The threshold of attractiveness is a lot higher now, with women being pickier because they can be.
/r/seduction14/08/18 12:16 AM
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The importance of looks varies in different situations and settings. From experience, I reckon it's as follows : Online 100%. Your looks is the first thing she'll see, and compare yourself to other guys. Then you'll get the opportunity to shine with your kick ass profile. An awesome profile and average to below looks will get you nowhere, unfortunately. Bars/Clubs 90%. You're up against other good looking guys looking to pick up, so looks also feature heavily here. Confidence also comes into pla…
/r/seduction13/08/18 09:40 PM
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Maybe because ugly guys were trying these tricks and methods, and getting nowhere. That's how I came to realise it was a lie.
/r/seduction13/08/18 08:35 PM
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Probably because girls got wise to all the methods, opinion openers etc that guys were using en masse after reading The Game. Similar thing being experinced in London, with daygame, thanks to guys approaching girls one after the other, with the same opener and stop. Also some of the myths that were peddled in the past have proved to be bullshit, with looks not being important being the main one.
/r/seduction13/08/18 10:38 AM
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From experience, what you consider the problem with social circle game, is what I see as the trouble with nightgame. Competing against the best looking guys in the venue. Most of the time, the women won't give you a chance and will shoot you down staight away, if you don’t meet the minimum standard of looks. I find that in the meetups I've attended, the women there can sense who's there just to pick up. If you attend a few times, and build rapport, it's easier to attract women regardless of your…
/r/seduction11/08/18 12:55 PM
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You have to work within your capabilities. Forget bars / clubs or online dating. They're geared to good looking guys only. Daygame is also difficult, but not impossible. Stick to social circle game. Meetup is great for meeting women and are able to build attraction with personality , over looks, over a few interactions.
/r/seduction11/08/18 12:33 PM
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What sort of concert was it and what did you use as an opener?
/r/seduction11/08/18 12:12 PM
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Plenty of ugly guys do great with women. I know more than a few Plenty? Doubt that very much, and if they do, I'm guessing it's through social circles where guys without good looks can create attraction over time. For nightgame and online, it's nigh on impossible for ugly guys to have success with women, and still difficult in daygame. I'm assuming that like many here, you're from the States? If so, maybe it's a cultural thing and looks are less important. In UK and Australia it is a rarity to h…
/r/seduction11/08/18 12:10 PM
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Depending on how ingrained your low confidence and self esteem is, therapy might be a good idea.
/r/seduction11/08/18 10:27 AM
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Yes, its good to read what it's like for guys who get IOI's. Also for me they're mythical events that hope will see one day.
/r/seduction11/08/18 02:33 AM
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Not sure on your age, but a lot of bars and clubs have student nights during the week. By Thursday night, you'll notice that places are busier in general.
/r/seduction10/08/18 02:26 AM
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I tend to watch the UK infields rather than the USA ones, as it's more relevant to my background and culture. I know London is a big city, but it seems that the place must be awash with PUA's and bootcamps. I've read elsewhere that on Oxford Street, on a weekend, girls literally go from daygamer to daygamer. Blows out of the water the often mentioned statement that you're doing something that 95% of guys never do or that it's unusual for women to be approached in the street.
/r/seduction06/08/18 11:47 PM
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Been saying the same for ages. I reckon it would prove to be a lot more difficult approaching local UK girls than the tourists or overseas girls in London.
/r/seduction06/08/18 09:51 PM
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There already are videos of ugly guys and fat guys picking up girls. Where? When I search for "ugly guys pickup girls " the results are of guys who are at worst, average.
/r/seduction06/08/18 09:38 PM
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I find that the standards women have developed from online dating are also bleeding into real life situations. Definitely for ONS and nightgame, it's looks that matter most. If you don’t meet the threshold, you're stuffed and that goes for the below average women too who, thanks to online dating, believe that they're entitled and have a chance with the hottest guys in the club. In daygame it's not as bad, but I find that women are becoming less approachable unless you have a certain level of fac…
/r/seduction06/08/18 12:15 PM
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Everything you said was right, however I wonder how many start going to the gym for the sole purpose of getting a good physique and becoming attractive to women? There are lots of posts and threads that practically assure that attracting women will be the end result, and is the reason I started going. However, I developed a desire to get as fit as possible for myself and to continue doing so. Personally I don't believe that getting fit will make you attractive. It will increase your attractivene…
/r/seduction06/08/18 07:52 AM
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Agree. Many of those in the gym are chasing a dream that isn't really realistic and will probably not have the expected result. I fell for it too. Not that I'm not happy with getting a good physique, but the hopes I had as a result of it never materialised.
/r/seduction06/08/18 03:50 AM
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Good video. Makes a lot of points that are truths, but many choose to deny. Also noticed that it seems to be UK based, where the importance of facial attractiveness is more prevalent than other parts of the world.
/r/seduction06/08/18 03:13 AM
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This is the type of guy I'd love to see do an infield video on youtube, providing he's as average to below as you say. To see this confidence and how guys that aren't good looking interact, and have an effect on women, would be worth seeing.
/r/seduction05/08/18 09:20 PM
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If you can make any girl you fuck squirt or have orgasmic seizures when you fuck her, would you feel like you're bothering her? Would you even care about your looks if you knew that she will have a way more amazing experience with you than some good looking dude? Also, the whole "Its such an advantage to be checked out" and "I might be bothering her" ideas are newbie thoughts. The thing is, without the advantage of good looks, the chances of giving women those experiences are slim to start with.…
/r/seduction03/08/18 05:15 AM
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The thing is you can have good looks and be able to improve your personality. You can't have a good personality and be able to make yourself good looking. It you have the looks to start with, you have the ideal base to work from.
/r/seduction02/08/18 11:09 PM
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Physical or more importantly, facial attractiveness, is a huge advantage and necessity for attracting woman. It sparks that all important initial attraction. However there is still work to do and in your case, it's your conversational skills that are causing you problems. Get that area sorted and you will be golden. At this stage though, take comfort knowing that you have the most important area of attracting women sorted out.
/r/seduction02/08/18 09:08 PM
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Not at all. I'm im my 30's, and I have had success. If you have good looks and confidence, you will do fine with girls of all ages. Not saying it's easy, and you will probably see more rejection than success, but it's not impossible.
/r/seduction02/08/18 12:15 PM
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Yes it's possible, but your successes will be limited to girls of a certain level. Highly unlikely you'll get with the 8's and upwards, and you're going to have to approach heaps more women than a good looking guy before you get any initial interest.
/r/seduction01/08/18 09:16 PM
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YouTube is full of them. Real life is full of them. Where? Especially on youtube. Don’t give me the likes of Tyler or Yad. They're not ugly. Average at worst.
/r/seduction01/08/18 09:13 PM
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Even ugly men have plenty of ladies ready to jump their bones The occasional one, maybe. Plenty? Definitely not. Any man with plenty of options isn't an ugly man. Although your figures make it sound like there's a large number of women who might find you attractive, in a vast country like USA, it's not large at all. Add in the variables of being in the right place at the right time, and your chances of meeting these women are very slim.
/r/seduction01/08/18 09:00 AM
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Originally from UK and agree with this observation about looks being key there. These days I'm between UK and Australia a lot, and same goes for Aussie girls too.
/r/seduction01/08/18 01:17 AM
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All he has going for him is that he looks like the older brother in Prison break. He's just naturally super built with a really handsome, chiseled face and extremely unusual eyes. This bit sums up perfectly the reason he enjoys the success he does, despite his shortcomings in other areas. Guys with good looks can get away with so much more in terms of failings or fuck ups along the way, with women.
/r/seduction31/07/18 11:46 PM
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Not one bit. You have to have the mindset of improving for yourself, not for the purpose of getting a girl. Its an easy trap to fall into and just ends up with seeking validation or approval from girls, and when none is forthcoming, you can end up feeling like you've not improved at all. Source - my own experience.
/r/seduction31/07/18 07:32 AM
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Your "ugly " friends should do an infield video for youtube. They'd kill it. There's plenty of guys who don't have looks, but could take inspiration from your friends, instead of the usual pretty boy PUA'S. Don’t mention the likes of Tyler or Yad as examples. They're average looking at worst.
/r/seduction30/07/18 09:01 AM
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Looks don't matter is one of the biggest myths in the PUA industry. These ugly guys that pull hot girls regularly, simply because they act like they're handsome don't exist. Either that or they're not as ugly as you make them out to be. Women know straight away if you're good looking or not, despite how you act or perceive yourself.
/r/seduction30/07/18 04:36 AM
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I don't have many successes, but that's down to how I look, not my mentality.
/r/seduction30/07/18 02:50 AM
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If you can't get girls with your friends then you cant get girls without them either. Wrong. When I'm not with my friends, girls have no one to compare me against. All my successes have come without my friends.
/r/seduction30/07/18 02:41 AM
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What kind of prick stops going out with his friends to pick up girls because they are better looking anyways? Admittedly that's drastic action, but it's no fun going out and constantly getting rejected, while your better looking friends get regular success. I know, I've been there. After a while it gets tedious and takes the fun out of a night out.
/r/seduction30/07/18 12:31 AM
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I doubt that you're ugly. Being successful with women alone is proof of this. Are you going by your self perception, or has someone actually told you?
/r/seduction29/07/18 11:59 AM
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For nightgame and online, my lack of facial attractiveness rules me out of any success. Both from my experience are reliant on looks. In daygame, my success is rare, but at least I have had some. Still a mountain of rejections to get to the successes. My best results come in social circle or meetup, where lack of looks can be overcome by building attraction over a few interactions, rather than the woman having to make an instant judgement as is the case with daygame and especially nightgame.
/r/seduction29/07/18 08:15 AM
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I’m currently in Oxford right now This bit alone says a lot about why you're struggling with cold approach. It's been well documented on here about how guarded both men and women are, in the UK, when it comes to interacting with strangers, especially women. In London it might be a bit easier, due to the number of non British people there, and to an extent Oxford too, but in the regional cities and towns, it's a waste of time.
/r/seduction28/07/18 05:09 AM
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I feel like The whole 'looks don't matter' thing is almost on the way out to be honest. They been peddling this lie since the mysterymethod days, but people seem to have waken up on the whole nowadays I think it's a case of tailoring your realistic ability to have success with women to your level of attractiveness. For instance, nightgame and online is a complete waste of time for me. It's looks all the time that get results, despite whatever you're told on here. Daygame is still difficult, but …
/r/seduction27/07/18 01:42 PM
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That’s a defeatist attitude, work on yourself: hit the gym, practice good grooming and style. If your game is good enough it doesn’t matter what you look like. None of the above has much of an effect if you don't have the facial attractiveness to begin with. Not saying don't make these improvements, but don't expect it to be a miracle cure for increasing interest from women.
/r/seduction27/07/18 09:47 AM
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Possibly, but it's having a knock on effect on real life dating. From my experience, the threshold for men meeting womens' standards, especially in terms of attractiveness, has never been higher. I have no doubt that this can be attributed to the attention that lesser attractive women get on dating sites.
/r/seduction27/07/18 09:42 AM
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I'm using the well mentioned Ok Cupid survey as a reference. From the top of my head, I think the results showed that women rated 20% of men's pics to be attractive, with the rest as ugly. On that basis, it's reasonable to say that women would be aiming for an attractive man, not an ugly one.
/r/seduction27/07/18 09:05 AM
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That's the thing. I reckon the majority of women would aim for the top 20% , even if it was subconsciously. Only when they realise that the 20% are unattainable, would they then aim lower. It's called settling.
/r/seduction27/07/18 08:24 AM
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If we're talking female models, then no. In fact most guys probably wouldn't have the courage to do that and would aim lower. Look at online dating as proof. Put two profiles of guys up there, one hot and one average. See who gets the most interest. Alternatively, women of all types get interest from men. Same would happen if women were empowered enough to ask men out.
/r/seduction27/07/18 08:02 AM
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If women did start asking men out, it would be pretty much guaranteed that it would just be the top 20% of men that would be asked. Nothing would change for the rest of us.
/r/seduction27/07/18 05:47 AM
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I agree. Feels like I missed out when younger, and a bit cheated.
/r/seduction27/07/18 05:19 AM
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A lot of some and most here. Would be interesting to see a percentage of womens' preferences.
/r/seduction27/07/18 05:14 AM
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Random slut comes up to my car and asks me if I'm looking for a girl. Why would a stranger do this? A working girl looking for business maybe? Did this happen in a dodgy area?
/r/seduction27/07/18 05:10 AM
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