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CMVJustbeingme145/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 09:56 AM
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Isnt that down to personal preference? I know I'd rather have good sex every other day without having to go clubbing/picking up girls than having to invest time and energy and have meh to possibly great sex once a week
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/16 10:35 AM
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guys who are most successful with women How do you define "succesful with women"? If you go by "sleeps with different girl every week" then I think your argument is spot on. But if you go by "has attractive long term relationship and has sex every other day" then in my experience, the smart guys get that way better. Isn't the second one way more desirable?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/16 07:26 AM
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Stories like this happen all the time though Of course they do. Do you know how many couples there are in the USA alone? At least ten million. Even if this happened 1% of the time, you would still have 100.000 cases of it. And if in 10% of those cases the guy posts the story to the internet, you have 10.000 stories about it on the internet. Because something happens all the time doesn't mean a significant part of a population does it you know. Basic statistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 11:47 AM
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/r/tinfoilhatemporium
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/16 04:36 PM
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That's like saying "all people are capable of being overcome by emotional and shoving logic aside". Yes they are. But AWALT takes bad human traits (I haven't seen a positive AWALT, but please show me if they exist), exxagerates them and pretends they only, or mostly apply to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/16 07:47 PM
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But you asked for times where women have positive aspects assigned to them and men the negative aspects assigned and I gave you that too. Yes you gave me that. You gave me your opinion of one such example. But we're discussing TRP. I'd like to see it on TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/16 06:55 PM
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Why does it bother you that women are assigned negative aspects? You're moving the goalposts. First you stated that you didn't consider aspects attributed to women as negative (you said you think honor isn't a positive trait). Now you're admitting that TRP does in fact do it and trying to move the argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/16 06:43 PM
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Doesn't matter. I've also seen TRP posts arguing that women have no intergrity and men do. The point is that every time TRP compares men and women, they will attribute a trait universally accepted as positive to men and a trait universally accepted as negative to women. Or can you give me a counterexample?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/16 06:35 PM
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Honor is pretty much always defined as a positive trait (unless you're a Stark). It refers to honesty and the absence of manipulation. Pretty much everyone agrees that these are positive traits. I don't know how I can make this any clearer for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/16 06:29 PM
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Here we go again. Women are pathetic! But I dont think being pathetic is a bad thing so I said nothing bad about women!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/16 06:00 PM
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Now you're indeed repeating TRP mantra thus proving me right
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/16 05:49 PM
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According to TRP men have flaws that they can work their way out of, women have inherent flaws that they pretty much can't avoid. Statements like "men are honourable, women are not" (I literally read that on TRP) or "men have dicipline, women give up when it gets difficult" (also read that) are not really easily misinterpreted. They mean men get the positive traits, while women don't
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/16 03:39 PM
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Sure you are, but on TRP, almost every time men and women are compared in a post, women are given the flaws and men the positive traits. Pretty much without exception. The fact that TRP's can say "But I love women!" doesn't change that fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/16 03:30 PM
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They should stick to what they're suited for. And according to a lot of TRP posts, what they're suited for are things and traits that almost everyone would agree are bad, while TRP gives men the nice traits. (Men have honours, women don't/men have real love/men are logical, women aren't) etc etc. Maybe you feel different, but the overall opinion on TRP is pretty clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/16 03:22 PM
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I think you'd be surprised how many abusers start out real nice but get abusive later on. At least thats how a lot of stories from abuse victims go
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/16 10:46 AM
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Type dating advice in google -> hit search Refine by "dating advice men" if you're getting advice for women. This is not rocket science.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/16 04:04 PM
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Your sources for Red Pill things being true are more Redpill stuff and a heartiste blog? Really? But what about game? Let's take a few tips, and if you show me where mainstream advice tells me this, I'll quiet down... They don't tell you that because it's not true? Self depriciating humor can be very attractive if done right because it shows self confidence. This frame bullshit has been worded differently and less extreme (aka don't be a pushover) a million times in dating advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/16 03:41 PM
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I'm resentful towards women because I know they don't reciprocate the same level of physical attraction I have for them. Your resentful because you have lower standards than women. That might not make you a misogynist, but I do think it makes you misguided at the very least. Besides, when I see couples on the street, or in my circle of friends, or anywhere really, I don't see very attractive guys with average girls. In fact, what I see is that women don't care THAT much about looks, and personal…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/16 02:37 PM
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That physical attractiveness matters up to about 50%+ for all female attraction - if not more - and that women lie when they say otherwise to keep the peace. What, this is 100% true because TRP says so? And if people say it isn't they lie? That's one hell of a standard of proof. Still, I will admit, if your only goal is sleeping with as many women as possible, without regard for quality of the sex or relationship, these TRP things might be the thing for you. But what TRP ignores is that many men…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/16 02:29 PM
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Once again, you're acting like TRP is the only thing ever to tell you that physical attractivess and confidence matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/16 01:58 PM
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There will always be some men who misunderstand every social clue they've been given. But that's their fault, not societies fault. That's also why TRP is so ridiculous to most people: it presents information widely known, but acts like it's a revelation. (thats talking about the non sexist stuff btw). If TRP is the place where you have to learn that just being nice isn't good enough you have a major problem in reading any social cues or understanding context.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/16 08:26 PM
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You're right but you're forgetting that society also has a pretty big emphasis on looking good for both men and women. Fat people are often looked down upon and the beauty industry is enourmous. The idea that being attractive is good is pretty big in our society
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/16 08:22 PM
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You keep saying that, but I think that you're just wrong on that. Yes men are being told that they should be nice. No, men are not being told "being nice will get you sex". If a man still thinks that just being nice gets him sex, the problem is in his interpretation of what he's told and his inabilities to read any social context whatsoever. Of course exceptions exist, if you're brought up in a strictly religious environment and you're not allowed to view any media not approved by your parents, …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/16 08:01 PM
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Many, many men are told to open with "I'm nice". Well, I think we've had this discussion before, and I think we can safely say that in popular culture, the trend is not "men just say you're nice everything good will come to you". Of course some girls will tell you "you're nice, you'll find someone", but that is far from the same as telling men to open with "I'm nice" If you can, find me a piece of dating advice aimed at men that just says "Show her how nice you are, that's enough"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/16 07:24 PM
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"Toxic masculinity" is one of the most bullshit phases the social justice warriors have come up with Disagree, it's a valid concept. However, as you correctly state, we should also pay attention to the opposite: toxic femininity.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/16 07:18 PM
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Opening with "I'm nice" is like a car salesman opening with "This car has four wheels". Yes, that's a requirement, but it won't help to convince you to buy the car.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/16 07:15 PM
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Being above average can get you women just fine, unless you're severely lacking in social skills
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/16 07:07 PM
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Don't be so pessimistic, you don't have to look like brad pitt for succes. Bit if you're butt ugly you probably wont succeed, that's why I said most men. Life is unfair like that
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/16 03:40 AM
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Most men probably can, but only if you define "can" as "putting effort into self improvement first". Not as in "can go out right now and do it".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/16 09:59 AM
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That's an interesting comment and makes me wonder: how much of TRP "biotruths" are just learned behaviours and cultural norms?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/16 08:55 PM
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CAN have, not DO have. Believe it or not, but most men are perfectly content with having a LTR and being faithful in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/16 08:33 PM
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But it points to the fact only a small number of males are actively having casual sex or ONS. Well of course, never said otherwise. I think most college guys (and girls) have sex in a relationship context. And going from your links, it seems to be over half at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/16 06:02 PM
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Maybe it's different in the US, but doesn't seem to be the case here in Europe. It's not that there's a massive party culture, but most people (also in STEM studies) have had or have some sort of GF in their lives. Also that's just one small study at one uni, hardly conclusive evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/16 05:41 PM
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Don't worry too much about it and make sure to be safe. I'm sure he's intelligent enough to figure the rest out on his own or learn from his peers. Contrary to TRP belief it's not like 80% of college aged guys are lonely virgins.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/16 05:00 PM
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It's so simple, women like nice guys, but not because they are nice. In the same way, you would like a car that has four wheels, but not because it has four wheels.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/16 04:59 PM
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eehm, first you ask if I have a source and then your next quote proves exactly what I'm saying? Perhaps you read my statement wrong? Anyway, for the rest of your reply: If we think of the population as "married couples", It is flawed to think of the population as "married couples" only, because there are many differences between married couples that have an influence on divorce rate. If you want statistics on any marriage, it is indeed useful to generalize. If you want the chance of your marriag…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 11:00 PM
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I think, at least in the [marriage has X% chance of failure] argument, it's mostly RP that has a misunderstanding of statistics. Even if half of the marriages end in divorce, that doesn't mean that your marriage has 50% of ending in a divorce. They totally ignore that the vast majority of the marriages ending in divorce are lower educated people who marry very young or second marriages. If you're not doing those things (and you have total control over that) your succes rate is already way better…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 09:28 PM
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Incels also comment on women/men who do get sex all the time and often seem to know exactly how women/men who do get sex think and act and such.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 11:38 AM
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You don't understand. The other reasons aren't enough to break the relationship, but add no job and suddenly it's enough. In another example, a man may have no job and that goes fine and suddenly stop exercising and that is what gives enough reason to break up. OPs point is that the loss of a job is only fatal if it's the latest fuckup in a row of fuckups. Any fuckup in a row could be the last straw, it's not exclusive to "no job"
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 06:19 PM
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It never was about the job. The job is just the latest in a series of fuckups. Thats the point OP makes. It's not about losing the job, it's about making one too many fuckups. Sometimes losing your job and getting one too many fuckups happen at the same time and in that case, the job is the last straw.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 04:44 PM
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If the other fuck ups were not colossal enough to end things, why would the job be the last thing? Because together these fuckups are big enough. Imagine that you get 10 fuckup points per fuckup and you lose at 100. If the job is the tenth fuckup, you lose. If it's the first you don't lose (yet). So the job doesn't have to be the last thing, but it can be. If the job was the last straw she would have ignored a bunch of other red flags. Totally agree, but that's how people work, they've invested …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 03:07 PM
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Why is it sometimes the last straw? Because something always is the last. Your partner might tolerate you not participating in house keeping and not exercising anymore because she thought "well he needs the energy for the job" On the other hand just losing a job but still doing housekeeping and exercising might not be a big deal. You get what I'm saying? If losing your job is the latest disappointment after many others, it can be the last straw
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 06:54 AM
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Yeah did you? Nowhere does the OP state that losing a job is always the last straw. But the OP is discussing the stiuations where losing the job is the last straw
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 06:04 AM
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Nobody said its always the job though
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 03:14 AM
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Because something is always the last straw. Sometimes it's the job, sometimes sonething else. This thread is about when it's the job.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 04:02 PM
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There's more to a job than money. It brings respect, status and the appearance of having your shit together. I bet the last straw isn't "He's not getting me money anymore" but rather "He isn't even able to keep a job, why do I even try and respect him anymore?" (and this only applies when there's no other reason for her to respect him)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 02:47 PM
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Still, if you're at a party with 10 girls, and you're all treating them as averages, suppose you'll score 8/10 with all girls. Now, there are 10 other men at this party who don't treat girls as average and they all score 9/10 with one girl and 2/10 with the others. So all the girls go home with one of these men, and you're left out, even though you did way better on average. Of course this is way exxagerated, but the point is that playing on averages can make you lose out to guys who don't. You …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 04:51 PM
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If you base your strategies on averages, you're never gonna be the best offer to someone, instead you're an average offer for a lot of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 04:41 PM
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They are getting attention. They are getting a favour (sex). They are literally getting what they want in this scenario. How is that possible losing? If losing is not extracting maximal value out of every scenario (apart from the fact that most people don't actually want gifts in reward for sex), everyone is losing all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/16 02:17 PM
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What other things? A relationship? Who says she wants one? Did TRP tell you that?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/16 02:10 PM
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So who is gaining less value than they could here? The girl? She probably just wants some quick sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/16 02:05 PM
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This is still trading. The barber is trading his time and gets paid for that. In your scenario, both people are winning.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/16 02:04 PM
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No one is trading. No one is losing something. Both people only gain value, so no one is losing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/16 01:54 PM
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One woman = significant number of women?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/16 01:53 PM
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If I'm winning, she must be losing
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/16 01:22 PM
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Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. What's left out is that when a hot girls texts them "Come over I want to fuck you", they'd be on their way doing things the way she wants in a heartbeat. They act like having this happen is somehow them winning and the woman losing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/16 11:52 AM
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The kind that TRP think doesn't exist because these women aren't interested in TRP'ers
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/16 08:02 PM
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Correlation does not always imply causation. It is entirely plausible that traits like confidence and courage (which are attractive) are more found in people that are generally less nice, and that these traits cause the bigger number of partners. Another example: Americans are far more likely to die in car crashes than Ethiopians. Is that because Americans can drive much better? No, it's because much less Ethiopians have a car. Again, there is correlation, but not causation. Being an Ethiopian d…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 05:28 PM
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Why do you tell people that not-being-an-asshole is baseline, when it is a disadvantage? If your only metric of succes is the number of different sexual partners you have then it might be a disadvantage. If you want some quality sexual partners, now that's another story.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 05:20 PM
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Your reasoning depends upon the assumption that number of partners = quality of sex life. But if you're a violent junkie and you have sex with two meth addicted crackheads everyday, I wouldn't call that a good sex life. Sexual succes is not an objective measure. I think most people would rather have less sexual partners who are actually better. Besides, if I have sex every day for the rest of my life with only my girlfriend, this study would rate me very low because I have a low number of partne…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 05:17 PM
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What's the point anymore? To pretend that you're feeling "love" for a while? It isn't real, it's just hormones. So what's the point in doing anything you enjoy? It's not real, it's just an chemical reaction in your brain. This line of thought is bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/16 08:25 PM
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I know it's good advice because it works at least to some degree for pretty much everyone. "Finding interesting hobbies" and "exercise" is never bad advice. And I rarely give more specific advice because there often isn't enough information in the post. I can give more specific advice, and I've done that sometimes, but it just gets dismissed. your assumption that they don't know what they're talking about really is baseless. I don't mean to talk down to you (or other incels), but when millions o…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/16 10:55 AM
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No I don't know for sure. But it's the best advice I can give and giving up has never lead anyone to succes
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/16 09:47 AM
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yet women have all the same rights as men in addition to the exclusive rights to refusal of parenthood. Regardless of where you stand on the issue, I think we can both acknowlegde that feminists think that there are not always equal rights yet, and if there are, they are not equally applied. They may be wrong or right, but it's not like feminism already says "we have equal rights and everything is equal but we want more". Furthermore, I think we can also both admit that having equal rights doesn…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/16 08:13 AM
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Not if they fail to do it correctly. It's not easy. I find this such a cop out argument. Whenever TPR is critized, that person is not doing "real TRP". "Real theory says X or Y". Well guess what, that means we can't criticize most of feminism, because most of it is build on the academic definition of "achieving gender equality". But we do criticize feminism, because we look at what feminists do and say, not what their official theory says.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/16 07:50 AM
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some bastardized theory posts. Some? How about more than half the sub would be full of it? But when it's their behavior vs TRP then the fault is TRP's? Uhm, once they do TRP "Their behaviour" and "TRP" are the same thing. Suppose you have a math textbook to learn math. You can make perfect sense of it, so it works for you. But there's a group of people called The Math Pill (TMP), who believe that reading numbers is a bad strategy in life. They don't read numbers at all, don't understand them and…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/16 07:38 AM
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Base theory doesn't really matter imo, if the general air of the subreddit goes completely against it. An ideology is what it members make from it, not what it "officially" is in theory. I'm not saying that you aren't in an happy relationship, but that on TRP I see so many people (who presumably use TRP or they wouldn't be there) claim that no relationship is worth it, that I find the fault with their behaviour, not relationships in general. Hence TRP is what's stopping them from finding a worth…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/16 07:21 AM
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Sure there are some. But way more than that I see "no women is relationship material nowadays" and "don't bother with relationships" on TRP. The implication that most of the relationship related posts on TRP is that it's not worth it. That could be because it's really not worth it, or because using TRP leads to you not finding or keeping good relationships. I'm gonna lean towards the second one, since many men I know (including myself) are in a perfectly happy relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/16 07:04 AM
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If you're an expert of the stuff you're advising them to do, give them a timeline. Why? I can't guarantee something works after X amount of time. No one can. Only thing I can do is telling you what will almost surely make your chances with women better.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/16 07:03 AM
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If you want to get rid of your relationship that is, yes it works very well. Although if you believe relationships are inherently bad, getting out might as well be your goal I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/16 06:39 AM
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Because he seems to think that "being nice" will get him a woman. He's not laughed at because he's nice, but because he expects that being nice gets women to sleep/be with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/16 12:18 AM
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Op says that subs like /r/niceguys make fun of guys that cry and show their feelings and are "unmanly" in other ways. So lets have a look, shall we? https://www.reddit.com/r/niceguys/comments/4r27lj/guess_im_looking_in_the_wrong_place_rgonewild_ya/ Post 1, I don't see him being laughed at because he showed his feelings here, but rather because he gets offended the girl doesn't want him. https://www.reddit.com/r/niceguys/comments/4r3ekk/nice_guy_defends_auschwitz_selfie_girl/ Post 2, again, note …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/16 11:05 PM
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Uhm, /r/niceguys and /r/justneckbeardthings make fun of guys who are overly and ridiculously nice, so nice that it becomes creepy instead. Bonus if they drop the act and become angry after rejected. I've never seen a post on these two subs that made fun of a man just for crying.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/16 10:25 PM
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I really disagree. It's just that the advice I give hasn't worked for them so far, therefore they dismiss it. I can believe that it hasn't worked so far, but that doesn't mean it's always bad advice. Sometimes things take a while. Sometimes, you're lucky and it goes right the first time. The "I did this advice for a month and no results so it's crap" mindset is something I see quite often.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/16 10:22 PM
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so it stands to reason that you WANT to see those people as dishonest/dumb/lazy and WANT to laugh at them for it. That's the real reason. How do you get to that? When they dismiss any kind of advice that gets thrown their way, it is possible that they tried it all and it didn't work. And then the only advice I can give is "try again and again and again". There is no magic formula to finding a relationship/partner, but there is a hell of lot that can increase your chances, and many people on the …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/16 09:56 PM
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And if your ideology is built on that mindset, it's not weird to think that following that ideology would be bad for your relationship don't you think?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/16 07:09 PM
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I haven't seen many (if any) accounts of succesful relationships on TRP, so yeah that kinda says enough for me. A lot of us tried being good boyfriends with a nice feminist mindset. And TRP thinks the mistake is always "being nice" while a relationship can fail for thousands of reasons in or out of your control. Yet if a relationship fails, and you were being nice and feminist, that's always the reason TRP will give you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/16 05:19 PM
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In fact I don't. You've convinced me. They work part time jobs and take care of their children the rest of the time purely out of self interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/16 10:34 PM
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If they'd really be in it for themselves, they wouldn't have children, trust me. They cost more time than you get back, at least during the first ten years.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/16 10:30 PM
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And if you actually did your research, you'll find that most single mothers already work hard and pay most of the child related costs. Stop acting like single mothers are in it for themselves, because if you knew how much work raising a child is and how expensive it is, you'd change your tune (or you'd just outright deny it)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/16 10:12 PM
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No. The children of single mothers are entitled to having things paid for them. Because they are children. They can't pay for it themselves. You make it sound like the child itself doesn't actually need anything, but is a project of the mum who wants all the money to improve her child or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/16 10:08 PM
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When did I say prostitutes don't consent to sex? The entire point is that when people want sex, they almost always want sex where the other person actually wants them. They want romantic sex, not a breathing sex doll who will never think of them again after one night.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/16 09:50 PM
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And he has consented, by working in a restaurant. He is not obliged to work in a restaurant
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/16 09:24 PM
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No one is forced to make food for me. What the hell do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/16 08:51 PM
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It is a basic human need, but not one you can get without consent of another person, unlike the other examples you listed. And prostitutes don't count because for most people that's just not good enough. So what would you have the government do then?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/16 05:39 PM
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Indeed. But you are not entitled to satisfaction, ie the government doesn't have to do it for you. Besides, even where prostitutes are legal, people still compete for sex. People are generally not satisfied with a prostitute
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/16 05:31 PM
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Nah. Masturbation is already free, so if you want sexual release there you go. Just like you're entitled to food, but not entitled to have dinner with someone
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/16 05:20 PM
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Where I live prostitution is legal, but it doesnt stop people from complaining. People want sex with someone who also wants them. A prostitute is just fancy masturbation in that regard
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/16 05:04 PM
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Because out of these things, sex is the only thing that requires the consent of another person
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/16 04:52 PM
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I'm not saying the advice is always good (although its decent at least mist of the time). I was answering the "why doesn't BP offer their advice to FA guys instead of laughing at them?" that the user above me asked. And it's because any BP advice just gets dismissed immediately.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/16 01:52 PM
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Keep up that strawman there.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/16 01:50 PM
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We'll try to help if we can, but if a guy is already posting at TRP, he probably won't listen anyway. Besides, you'll just get banned on TRP if you comment with BP advice anyway, so besides just laughing at the ridiculousness of it all, what can we do?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/16 12:30 PM
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Have you been to those subs? Especially on truecels and foreverunwanted, OP never listens to good advice. Why try to help if you'll be dismissed with "lol normie you don't know what you're talking about women only like natural born chads" every time?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/16 12:28 PM
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Expecting someone not to be rude is just normal across all genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/16 12:08 PM
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Venting frustrations =/= DAE all women are sluts for not giving me sex
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/16 11:42 AM
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Wanting sex is a natural need, expecting sex is entitlement
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/16 11:41 AM
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It's you, not the women, trust me.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/16 09:14 PM
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Nah, there is definitely a "but, as opposed to women, we men are capable of honour/logic/teamwork/empathy" mindset on TRP. Often enough quite literally said like that
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/16 12:27 AM
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I'm not sure how it's healthy for the kids to be in the full custody of someone who works all the time instead of, you know, having time to take care of them
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/16 12:18 AM
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Do you even understand what a comparison is? The point is that breaking the law while drunk is still breaking the law. Being very drunk is a mistake. As soon as you break the law, your mistake becomes a criminal action. It's that simple. And having sex with someone who is too drunk to consent is a crime.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 01:29 PM
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Always back to someone is a criminal, never acknowledging that both people made mistakes and also not acknowledging the woman's part in it Yes, both people make mistakes. But making a mistake is not the same as committing a crime. Drunk driving isn't a "mistake", not even if your friends who are drunk too are telling you to just get in the car and drive.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 01:24 PM
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Women systematically get away with crimes easily, especially sex-related crimes, even against children. Agreed. But does that mean we shouldn't have an outrage when a guy gets away lightly? No. It means we should have an outrage too if a women gets away lightly. That doesn't happen too much now, and I believe we do need that if we're gonna see progress on that issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 01:19 PM
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He's a fucking idiot for getting in that spot in the first place, and probably deserved a punishment one way or another. It's not only about what he did, it's about the consequences on the victim too. Yeah, it was 20 minutes. If I accidentally shoot someone while drunk that would be 10 seconds of stupid mistakes. But it still massively impacted someones life, and Brock (in this case) is responsible for that. He did something he knows (or should know) is wrong and he should take some responsibili…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 01:17 PM
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This reads like TRP fanfiction of what they think a woman thinks. It hits all the right TRP notes with such accuracy and doesn't deviate an inch from that, that it's hard to believe this
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 09:50 AM
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Yeah its weird and you'd be right to assume she wants sex. But if she says no, you bugger off, no matter what you assumed. No is a pretty clear signal imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 12:59 PM
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Either you're trolling or you don't understand what words mean
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 09:40 PM
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Yes it can. Concrete means clearly defined. No is just that. The fact that it can switch to yes doesn't change that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 09:31 PM
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Sure, you should back off. My SO says no sometimes, I back off, minutes later it's a yes and she comes to me See that's fine. She says no, and you back off. If she wants it anyway, she comes back. You didn't ignore the no, and she changed her mind. Perfectly fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 09:23 PM
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Yes it is. And if she says no but really wants it anyway? You just bugger off and if she really wanted it, she'll come back. I don't see any reason why you should ignore a no at any time.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 09:18 PM
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"I'm not taking a bath with you" sounds a lot like "I'm definitely here for sex and we're just negotiating on the location." That might be so in 90% of the cases, but in the 10% like this where for whatever reason (she's insecure, naive or whatever) in might not be so. That's why if she says no, you bugger off. Do you want to take the 10% chance of being a rapist/assaulter? I know I don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 09:17 PM
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Yeah she did a stupid thing, but he did an illegal thing. Both can exist together.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 09:14 PM
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I don't think guys have some concrete idea of what boundaries actually exist Oh here's a hint for you. If she says no, like she did in OP's story, just back off. You're not gonna get a more concrete boundary.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 09:13 PM
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He doesn't deserve life, but what really angers me is that he doesn't show regret. None at all. He didn't admit he did something wrong (and all evidence points toward that he did). I don't think he's gonna learn from this mistake at all, or the only lesson he'll take away is "stupid women can't trust them always ruining lives". Hell, his father complained that the life of his sun was now ruined. Excuse me, his son did that to himself. Not an ounce of empathy for the life of the girl that was sev…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 09:09 PM
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He only did it once. He was drunk. He didn't have sex with her. He had no previous criminal history. All of these are reasons for leniency. But even it that were a legit reason (and I think it isn't), it's not the reason the judge gave. The judge did it because he "had a bright future ahead of him". So if a poor black kid did this he would have gotten six years? According to the judged logic he would.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 09:06 PM
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Serious question, aren't their always some people screaming when things don't go their way? No matter how irrational? I ask because I live in a European country thats far more leftist than the USA, but the feminist boogeyman I hear so much about is just that here, a boogeyman. I've practically never hear feminists say all that shit they supposedly say with a straight face
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 02:33 PM
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I'll go by them step by step, because I don't think the things you say are as bad as you think they are. Behavioural differences being social constructs For a part, this is certainly the case. There is heaps of research on this and while researchers argue over the extent to which this is true, no doubt this is at least partly true. The wage gap When factoring out parttime work and work choice, there still remains a (small) gap, and mostly in the higher paying sectors. It's not a matter of life o…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 06:40 AM
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I don't agree that mainstream feminism is all theories and lies. What part do you think is?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 05:48 AM
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by redressing the overwhelming, lopsided and insidious propaganda that promotes women as superior moral beings in mainstream Western culture. I think you are overestimating this effect a bit and that the manosphere is way overreacting. Stopping the "women don't hurt a fly" is one thing, circlejerking about how "women are evil check this out" is another. This will also facilitate alternative voices being heard that do not assume feminist theory is correct or even on the right path No, it assures …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 03:09 AM
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I can't remember exactly, but I've done some psychology classes and based on MRI scans they showed that women are simply more prone to depression. But honestly, it is some time ago so I don't remember the details.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 02:55 AM
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Which is good. On TRP I see a lot of "you can never really trust a woman so watch out in relationships". I think that if you truly believe that, you'll never get a thrustworthy woman in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 02:01 AM
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So, without all the wall of text, you trust her not to cheat on you?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 01:43 AM
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she is the product of an exceptionally bad upbringing. Getting black-out drunk at a frat party. Meh, if you read her letter, she basically admits that she overestimated the amount of alcohol she could drink. Stupid mistake, but to call that a really bad upbringing?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 12:46 AM
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My problem is when advantages are taken from a man in order to provide more to women. An example is child support that is not proportional to the amount required to raise a child. Alimony. Although there are definitely problems with child support (based on your current income with not regard to future changes), these laws aren't really gendered. Especially alimony. It's just that if you hold on to traditional gender roles, and you make all the money, you're gonna pay alimony. If it's the other w…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 11:34 PM
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Hm I suppose that could work. Downside is that the kids would be switching classes every time. But I guess it could work.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 10:44 PM
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If something needs to be done now it's do or die. Better to get something done than not get it done because you're waiting for stability that might never happen. Sure, but that is still a disadvantage for the woman, because she has to scrape the money. That was the original argument, that the man can walk away without consequence.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 10:35 PM
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Suppose those 99 students follow 3 courses, math, english and biology. Each take an hour. There are three teachers. So, you divide the students into groups of 33. The teachers can spend one hour on each subject and in three hours all classes have had all subjects. But now on to your system. There are now 9 classes. There is a class for people who are not good, average and good in biology. Same with english and math. Each class has on average 11 students. So in an hour, you could only teach 33 st…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 10:34 PM
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There would be the same amount of teachers on the payroll and no extra classrooms made. How would that work? Teachers teach three classes at the same time? They use their three heads to talk to three groups of kids at once?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 10:19 PM
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Getting into even more credit card debt is a great decision for poor people. Totally will not come back for them later.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 10:18 PM
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If someone's good at math but bad at writing or vice versa, they could be put into an advanced math class and a remedial writing class at the same time and so on. But we don't have the resources for that. You'd need to teach three classes on every subject (easy, medium, advanced). I mean it's a cool idea, but is it attainable? For the record, old people cost the healthcare system the most because of the diseases they have. Healthy old people wouldn't cost much healthcare money. Of course. But ol…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 10:09 PM
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Just normal I suppose.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 09:26 PM
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Google "self improvement" for starters. https://www.reddit.com/r/selfimprovement is a good one I found. https://www.reddit.com/r/men Or here if you want to talk about being a man I guess. I TRP was a you described, I would have no problem with it. But it isn't. It's somewhat like you describe with a shitload of "lol look at those inferior women" mixed in.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 08:22 PM
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And yet this verifiable fact is not enough to make AWALT useless. If you believe that your girlfriend has the potential to jump on Chad every chance she gets, you'll have a much harder time getting a girl who doesn't, because she's probably with a guy who does trust her.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 08:12 PM
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Then what are they trying to say? If they're trying to say "be the best version of yourself and don't worship other people for being women", you can get that in so many other places.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 08:05 PM
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"The problem comes when TRP thinks the best way to go about that problem is to create problems for women too." I guess I should have said "The problem comes when TRP thinks the best way to go about that problem is to do the same thing and try to create problems for women too
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 07:58 PM
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I think someone with high empathy would be able to recognize that two women doing shitty things to you is in no way indicative of women as a group.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 07:50 PM
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They don't actually create problems because they don't have any worthwhile power. That's pretty much the only difference between them and Radfems (apart from the two sides being on the opposide sides of the spectrum). They think the same, use the same tactics etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 07:49 PM
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Well, guess we see in ten years then!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 07:48 PM
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Agree with the first part, it's not unique. Disagree with the second part, it's not necessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 07:47 PM
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Hate men, or concerned with women's issues? Both, and they should get rid of the first. When did I say that feminist blogs somehow don't do this?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 07:36 PM
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And you're doing the same right? I enjoy debating on here, so that's time well spent according to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 07:35 PM
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Principle is the same. Anyway, this is not just on the company imo, but in the entire US mindset. I like the swedish model. The father and the mother get a combined parental leave of like one year that they can divide among each other, but at least 25% has to taken by the father or the mother. But apart from that, isn't that pretty much privilege? That men get jobs easier because the company knows they can't carry children?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 07:31 PM
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And they're not winning if you do the same stuff back? What exactly are they winning anyway? In ten years, if they've won, how will the world be different?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 07:17 PM
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Does that mean all media is only out to point out how evil men are instead of being concerned with women's issues? I'm not talking about the media, I'm talking about the manosphere. If you want to talk about mensrights, talk about that, don't talk about how women do evil thing X. Talk about what happens to men, not what happens to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 07:16 PM
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Like I said, TRP is too small to actually create problems, but their way of thinking certainly has the potential to create problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 07:15 PM
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Allright. By the way, there have been many court examples where women where severely disadvantaged, and also the judge mentioned your reddit name and said you were wrong. No I'm not doing your homework. These cases exist and you can find them yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 07:15 PM
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Depends on the case and circumstances, but yes it can be in my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 07:13 PM
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I don't agree with the tactics Radfems use either. They should be more reasonable too. But on this sub, there are no radfems and I'm not talking to them. If there were, I'd be making the point that they should try and be more reasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 07:12 PM
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Two drunk people go into an alleyway to fool around. Except she didn't fool around. He did. She was barely conscious during the entire thing. He was conscious enough to run away and leave her in an alley when other people came and conscious enough to remember the entire thing. If I hit you when we are both drunk, is it both our faults?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 07:11 PM
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Quoting another comment from me: Well they don't literally create them all by themselves, they are too small for that, but their ideas support creating problems for women. All these revenge fantasies against women? Stopping all support for single moms? All these posts insisting that women who sleep around have low value? Insisting that women have less dicipline and are irrational and therefore they should not be in leadership positions? Saying "never trust a women they are egoistical beyond beli…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 07:09 PM
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Are you a waiter or a fucking barista. No I'm not, and what's with the condescending tone? You have a ton of life experience being both a woman, a man, working all kinds of jobs and living in all social classes? I think not friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 06:56 PM
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She should only if she produces the same quality and time of work as men. Also she pretty much has to promise to never go on maternity leave as most of the time and energy invested in her will pretty much go to waste. In that case, companies should have the right to ask about your lifestyle, so they can conclude how many sick days you're likely to take. But (thankfully) they don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 06:55 PM
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Ah yes, you see right through me. I'm studying economics and I'm working to support my education, but thanks for playing!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 06:53 PM
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Well, I guess we're living in different places then. As a man, I've never felt getting fucked because a woman was favored over me. And nor have I seen it happen around me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 06:44 PM
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We also dont need to be afraid of wild animals anymore but i bet it still scares you when you are walking at night and hear something bark or growl close to you. I'm not afraid of wild animals in my daily lives, but when I hear a growl, there's a good chance there is one near me, and that would actually be a good time to be worried. Even in highly egalitarian countries the genders pick different lines of work, sometimes even more than poor countries. And it's okay if genders pick their own lines…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 06:42 PM
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You're advocating for one side to gaurantee a loss in the name of "the moral high ground." Loss in what? We're not at war. And if we were, one side has to start using reasonable tactics sometime, or both sides lose.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 06:39 PM
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See what? I have eyes too. You think most people are extremists? Or am I missing your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 06:38 PM
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Yeah, and I'm sure that every time a woman doesn't get a ticket there's a woman who is not promoted in favor of a less capable man. The entire point of this thread is to show that both genders have their privileges and that both sides don't recognize their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 06:36 PM
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No, I'm making assumptions about real life in general, not how you behave. Unless you live in RP-town that's in a constant state of war with SJW ville two miles ahead, you'll find that most people aren't extremist on either side.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 06:27 PM
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We don't have hunting parties and we don't live in caves anymore. That's irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 06:24 PM
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Other than you're assumption that I somehow side with extreme feminism (which isn't true really), would that make me wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 06:23 PM
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Well I mean there's the whole you must be nice to women, they deserve special treatment because vagina thing How much of a thing is that really in modern society? I mean in a lot of places it is a thing, but in these same places "women should stay at home and clean the house" is probably also a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 06:22 PM
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What are you even on about?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 06:18 PM
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I dont have empathy for people who make the wrong choices and then complain. I dont have empathy for shortsighted people. So doing what you like but some arbitrary gender roles working against you is now a wrong choice?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 06:18 PM
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I'm gonna go ahead and say middle class white bitches are still the most privileged group on the planet, yup. If we're gonna go by your logic, middle class white men are even more privileged, since they aren't homeless either, but they can climb the ladder better. But let's not go by your logic, since you're strawmanning anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 06:07 PM
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No. You started by saying you've "seen cases". Then you said they weren't as infrequent as I think they are. But you've linked nothing. If I'm right and they are very infrequent, I couldn't prove it, because if the cases don't exist, I can't find them anyway. The burden of proof is on you, and I'm waiting.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 06:06 PM
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Maybe try getting off the internet, you'll find that most people in real life are quite reasonable too.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 05:58 PM
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I'm always a big fan of "your freedom stops where someone elses begins". Of course this open to many interpretations, on where exactly a freedom begins, but if you would summarize my stance in one sentence, that'd be it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 05:56 PM
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I'm really interested to know where these communities where people from the clinics are telling community members who got an abortion, because those clinic workers should be going to jail. Or people see you entering the clinic, or they ask you where you've been on a certain day and you're bad at lying. It's inconceivable to think of situations where you could be find out? But you know what? Condoms are cheap as free, easy to use, and Plan Bs are the same. Abortions are a last resort. I don't dis…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 05:38 PM
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But you don't have two choices, you have a lot more. Why be an extremist when you can be reasonable?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 05:35 PM
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She didn't, that's why it was rape. But she didn't do anything, he fingered her, so he did the raping. She didn't touch him, or try to pleasure him, she just lay there half-uncouscious. If you're drunk, you're still responsible for crimes you commit you know. And engaging in sexual stuff with a person who isn't consenting is a crime. At the very best case scenario for him (his story in court, which no doubt went through multiple lawyers), she mumbled a vague "yes" and nothing else when he asked …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 05:26 PM
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Yeah, they were both drunk. He led her to a back alley, undressed her, and started fingering her and grinding her. He ran and left her there naked after some dudes asked what he was doing I believe. But the fact that he was drunk doesn't excuse his actions. He should have gotten six years instead of six months if you ask me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 05:08 PM
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So where on the internet are they? If you show them to me, I'd be happy to read them and change my views. But two cases over five years is not something I would call a consistent example.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 05:07 PM
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was like $400. That's a medical abortion, plan bs are cheap as fuck. You know that a lot of Americans don't even have 2000 dollars on the bank for emergencies? Add to that that most unwanted pregnancies are in the poorer part of the population and I think you can see why 400 is a lot. Those darned privacy acts and their nondisclosure rules sure do contribute to this, don't they? There are still a lot of communities in America where abortion is pretty taboo. Yeah technically you could go ahead an…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 05:06 PM
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Why is that? If a single ruling always sets legal precedent, there'd be a whole lot of other stupid arguments you could make.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 04:47 PM
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Depends on how they frame it. If they're like male SJWs, I would say the same thing counts for them. They're not better than their male counterparts. However, if they're like "I recognize the privileges of both genders, but I believe right now these problems that men face should have priority", I have no problems with that, just like I have no problems with the reverse. This post is mostly about how people who scream the hardest that the other gender has so much privilege, often refuse to recogn…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 04:46 PM
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So feminism did a bad thing, therefore you can also do that? It just makes you equally pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 04:38 PM
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Yeah, I can't understand it. I would much rather do a relatively cheap wedding, and spend that money on fun stuff to do together later in the relationship that I would also enjoy doing on my own or with friends , like traveling and seeing the world.
/r/TheRedPill07/06/16 04:36 PM
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I did. Disgusting case all around. Ugh.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 04:31 PM
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Huh weird, I found this. http://www.costofwedding.com/ Well, your point still stands I suppose
/r/TheRedPill07/06/16 04:25 PM
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What's your point? I'm not saying the problem you mention doesn't exist. I'm saying that if the manosphere was truly about mensrights, they'd frame it as a problem for men, not a thing that evil women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 04:13 PM
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European countries are banning paternity tests. They are not. In you're referring to France, you can ask for one at the judge and he'll almost always give it you. Spermjacking is 100% legal. The act itself is legal. Making a man pay for it? It might have happened once or twice, but what hasn't happened once or twice? Man wants to keep the baby, woman doesn't, rip baby. Man wants to abort, woman doesn't. Open your wallet wide for 18 years. Kid is born and if the father can even be located, maybe …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 04:12 PM
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I can agree that feminism sometimes goes too far. However, I also think that on this corner of the internet, the extreme feminism (every man is a rapist omg he eye raped me) is way overrepresented. It will get more clicks, so it's featured more often. I don't think the actual group of extreme feminists is that much bigger than TRP. Most girls I know agree with feminism as in equality, and they are mostly very reasonable people. It's a subject for another post, but I think a lot of the manosphere…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 03:23 PM
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According to google, the average cost of a wedding is 26000 dollars, but the vast majority of people spend less than 10000 dollars on their wedding. No doubt the average is brought up by rich people spending millions on their weddings. So while still a lot of money, your post seems a bit misinformed to me.
/r/TheRedPill07/06/16 03:15 PM
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It isn't. The point is that TRP'ers are quick to point out that men have it bad in case X, but refuse to acknowlegde that women have it bad in case Y. The other example I gave, about sex, is the other way around. I think not worrying about safety or pregnancy during sex is still hell of lot more privilege than getting it easier. Or the fact that men are generally safer from harm in interaction with women than the other way around (yes, men get murdered more, but most of these cases are criminals…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 03:04 PM
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Read the thread, I listed some examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 02:42 PM
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Yeah pretty much. Case in point: that rich kid that got six months for rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 02:42 PM
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Well they don't literally create them all by themselves, they are too small for that, but their ideas support creating problems for women. All these revenge fantasies against women? Stopping all support for single moms? All these posts insisting that women who sleep around have low value? Insisting that women have less dicipline and are irrational and therefore they should not be in leadership positions? Saying "never trust a women they are egoistical beyond belief (men are not btw)"? All that s…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 02:41 PM
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From my perspective, we have been pushing past the point of actual equality or opportunity for a decade or so now, I don't know. I totally agree that women have it easier in a lot of cases. But then again, there are also a lot of cases where men have it much easier. You can work on your own side without putting the other side down. RadFems are guilty of this, but it comes nowhere near the circlejerk that exists in the manosphere. So many posts in the manosphere aren't structured like a problem m…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 02:34 PM
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I'd run a very smooth public school system free of bullying and also according to people's needs and abilities. But how? This would considerably reduce the cost of medical coverage in America because it causes things like cancer, diabetes, hypothyroid, and more. It probably wouldn't because old people cost the most. Just like smokers are actually good for total healthcare costs because they die younger. Also, do you believe the cure for cancer is being hidden away? Why do you think that?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 02:29 PM
1

How would you have it then? Total anarchy?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 02:19 PM
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How many snotty little girls posed all cutesy like on social media with their Male Tears mugs? Or posted some crap like #killallmen? Very few I think. For one, the only time I've seen girls do either of those things, it was on /r/tumblrinaction or a similar sub. Have you seen it in real life? And those girls have so much more social acceptance supporting their garbage behavior. Do they? Last I remember the woman who tweeted "kill all men" literally went to court, almost lost her job over it and …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 02:08 PM
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I recommend that you remember (1) we took away mens' spaces, almost entirely, I agree that men have problems too in todays world. The problem comes when TRP thinks the best way to go about that problem is to create problems for women too. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. So much on TRP is just revenge fantasies.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 01:36 PM
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Solid Liberal for me As to OP: I'm skeptical of the government's abilities So am I, but I am even more skeptical of the alternative (what's that even? Companies running the country? A random set of people that rotates?).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 10:34 AM
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The roaring 20's under cooliage is a prime example. I dunno man, the economy totally collapsed in the 20s too and it took a democrat, government intervention and a world war to fix things.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 09:37 PM
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And are there also cases where the obvious ruling happened, AKA he is not in any way anything else than the biological father and has no duties? Because if the courts ruled that, I doubt you would even have heard of the case. legal precedents for kinds of actions that are considered 'appropriate' and 'justifiable' by our current standards of socially and legally acceptable circumstances. Does it? Whenever such a things happens as you described (aka a ridiculous court ruling), there's outrage all…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 09:30 PM
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On the one hand I think he's a bit too harsh. On the other hand, he does have a point. If a lot of people (he refers to people as in multiple) think you're creepy, there's a good chance you are, but just don't know it. You can have the best intentions but still come off as creepy without knowing it. Creepy isn't an objective thing. It's subjective. That makes it hard to judge.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 08:52 PM
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Maybe that's happened once or twice. I very much doubt that is something that happens more than once in a blue moon
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 08:40 PM
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I don't think they'd be a very large reduction. Poor single mothers are often young and don't plan ahead a lot. And there's the cases were the father left later, which is a lot more common I think
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 07:12 PM
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So show it. When did it come up? I'm curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 03:25 PM
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it is definitely not the majority. You think a majority of people don't know that being fit helps? You think they don't know that being confident helps? I would disagree with that. Just because they know it helps doesn't mean they DO it. Either they don't need to or they don't want to put in the effort. To improve yourself to the best of your abilities is one of the main things I took away from TRP, That is everywhere really. It is a very good way to live, but I would not attribute this to TRP, …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 02:59 PM
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I can understand where the rage is coming from. That doesn't justify it though. All this "this woman wronged me, so fuck them all and let them suffer" makes you a bad person. Period. And besides, I keep hearing this custody thing, but the few times I've heard actual family lawyers talk about it on reddit, they said that in the vast majority of cases, if the fathers ask for custody, they get (part of) it. They just don't ask most of the time. So, I'm a bit sceptical about all the "she cut herself…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 02:43 PM
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That's the thing. What you consider RP, I don't consider RP at all. That's just quite mainstream. Not the only mainstream advice, but definitely mainstream. It's like saying that someone is Christian if they believe everyone needs to treated with respect, that you should not cheat and that you should love your neighbor. These things are part of the Christian ideology, but they do not make you Christian. Red Pill has a very distinct ideology, but the be fit confident and not a doormat part is not…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 02:35 PM
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TRP judges women for being women. "Women are [negative trait] X, Men are [positive trait] Y". BP judged TRP'ers for being TRP'ers. There is a very big difference. You don't choose to be a women. You choose to be a TRP'er. Therefore, that says hell of a lot more about you. TRP is a very specific small niche group, women are not. In the same vein, you won't get an objection from me if you generalize Tumblr SJW's. They are a small niche group with a very specific ideology. You can generalize those …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 02:29 PM
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And I am. And I do offer alternatives. But when you say you're BP, people will point at the sub and keep saying that you have no alternative to offer.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 02:24 PM
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Yeah, that's my point. I don't think the situation now is that bad (I mean it's not like a woman will sneak up to you on the street and steal your sperm). You decide to have sex, you face the possible consequences. No these consequences are not equal for women and men. Because they're physically different. Fact. BUT, if we were to get a financial abortion, I think the idea isn't THAT bad, but ONLY if we make sure that the children get the support they need anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 01:39 PM
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You're 100% right. What I meant (and I could have said that way better), was that what bothers me most about this, is that people is like "yeah that'll teach the women for children they can't have!". But in my view, taking any support for single mothers away hurts the mothers, but is even worse for their children. So the person that gets hurt most is the one who had no say in being born. But all these manosphere types seem more into for revenge so to speak. "Men have to pay child support! Let wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 01:32 PM
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If he's naturally TRP, then he doesn't need to learn any of this. He can go about his day and be successful with women. Are you saying that guys who are naturally succesful with women are already RP? What do you consider RP? The idea of being fit and confident and not worshipping women?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 01:23 PM
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They don't need to, but they do have one. I could have worded it better in the OP, but I can't change the title alas. But the point is that "Whenever BP makes fun of an RP post they never say what they think should be done", kind of argument is a bit stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 01:22 PM
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Yes, the child doesn't need to be raised by their biological mother to have its needs met. Where else? My mom works with troubled youths and believe me, she works a lot with single parents. Sometimes, the situations get so bad that the child needs to go somewhere else, because it can't stay at home. Sometimes family is available. A lot of the times it isn't. So then the child is placed either in foster homes, or a temporary home for children like that. And you know what? Both systems are almost …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 01:08 PM
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Why don't women actually face consequences for birthing children they can't take care of? It wouldn't be as worse if the women actually faced the consequences of birthing a child they can't take care of. But the one who faces the most consequences will be the child, the only one who truly had nothing to with being born.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 01:04 PM
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I'm all for financial abortions, on the condition that the state provides for the mother and the child. But most people that are for financial abortions are against such a thing. I can't understand it. Regardless of the stupidity from the mother, you are punishing the child that way. And because a child from a single parent, who probably has to work a lot to make ends meet has a much higher chance to commit crimes, you (and the rest of society) pay in the end anyway. And, I get the feeling that …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 01:02 PM
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Well, the title is in reaction the "But BP offers nothing of their own hurdur!" arguments I get into here sometimes. BP is a satire sub, they don't need an explanation of their own. That doesn't mean they don't HAVE an explanation. Ask for it and you shall receive. It's more the "what don't you get about BP being mostly about just making fun of RP". People act like because an alternative explanantion is not right in your face on BP, it's members have no alternative.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 12:44 PM
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is your goal to make fun of people and argue with them, wasting both your time and theirs? Well making fun of stupid people can be funny, so I wouldn't consider that wasted time. or is your goal to help others see the world from a better perspective leading to a more productive and happy life? If I could. But I doubt RP is willing to listen to non-RP advice, so what's the point? But I wouldn't laugh at a guy who says "Hey, girls keep rejecting me and I feel shit and angry about it, can you help …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 12:32 PM
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You don't mock people who propose the earth is flat, then when asked what shape you think the earth is, you respond with "dunno lol, I don't need to explain it". And when you ask a BP'er what you should do to get succes in the dating game, you don't get the answer "dunno lol I don't need to explain it". Problem is, all the people that whine that BP offers nothing have never asked.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 12:30 PM
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you can't just tell me i'm wrong and then not offer me a solution. it tells me that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, because if you did you'd at least have something to add on top of saying hurr you're wrong. Why's that? I can't just make fun of the flat earth society without providing all kinds of scientific evidence that the earth is in fact round? I can't make fun of the westboro church without making an essay on why gays should be treated the same as other people? I'm talki…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 11:11 AM
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Hm didn't know that. Fair point
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 10:04 AM
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Giving a woman a 3$-present because she only had sex with you once every 4 months isn't redpill behavior, it's being passive-aggressive. I don't know. Lot's of times these guys will mention some kind of multi step plan they're following that comes straight out of the pill sphere. Besides, MRP is literally built on passive aggresiveness. All the "If you don't like how she's acting just go away for the evening and do something for yourself" is literally passive aggresiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 09:08 AM
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I counted on the frontpage. 20 threads (out of 25) are just linking to a TRP thread or MGTOW or some other manosphere related thing and are just us BP'ers circlejerking how laughably stupid that is. Could that classify as outrage porn? Maybe, but then again, in most of the comment sections, there is more amusement at the stupidity of the threads we link than actual outrage. But the outrage is there yeah, but I think the funny stuff is also there, and there's more of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 09:06 AM
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I've also noticed threads that amounted to asking "is it wrong if I wished those guy would die?" I've seen that thread yeah. But as I can remember, (can't find it with the search engine), it wasn't that much upvoted and people didn't agree to OP in the comments. But I'll agree with you that there are people on TBP who have an unhealthy obsession and who let the fact that TRP exists intrude way too much in their personal lives. Personally, my favourite part of TBP are all the satire field reports…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 08:50 AM
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You like that strawman?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 08:46 AM
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to refute your asinine claim that this basically didn't exist at TBP. I never said that. Of course it exists at TBP. TBP is a sub where people can post, of course there will be some posts of almost anything. He argued that TBP was essentially outrage porn, which most of it really isn't
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 08:45 AM
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When did TBP doxx?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 07:35 AM
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Here at PPD though it helps to think about what could be better if you want to show a different perspective. Here at PPD I think that usually happens though. There's plenty of shit throwing on both sides without offering an alternative, but if asked for it, I think most users have their alternative of choice ready.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 07:19 AM
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People on TBP not only want to dox red pillers but they have a strong desire for red pillers to fail. Of course. I also have a strong desire for members of the Westboro Baptist Church to fail. I don't want them to think their worldview is right, because it isn't. TBP doesn't need to offer anything as long as it is neutral or DGAF when it comes to TRP, but many members are not like that If it were neutral, it wouldn't make fun of TRP the way it does. To make fun of all the weirdness and lack of s…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 07:18 AM
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Which is a terrible argument in my opinion. It's like giving people chainsaws when they could fix their problem with a little handsaw. Yes, the chainsaw may fix your problems. But good chance it'll hurt those around you too. In essence, the chainsaw works. But it's a complete overkill and goes way further than the original goal.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 06:35 AM
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I see a lot of posts on RP talking about women fucking men over. A typical scenario, (...) Divorces him. He loses half his assets in addition to paying her alimony. This is I believe, a realistic scenario. It could be. But equally realistic is the marriage where the woman is unhappy, and maybe abused but can't leave because she has no real income or financial indepence and doesn't have any career whatsoever to support her or her kids. Yeah she could divorce and maybe she's gonna get some alimony…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 06:32 AM
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The original person responds with "You have a better idea?" You know, if you ask /r/tbp "You have a better idea", you're gonna get an answer. They criticize without offering an alternative because it's not the purpose of the sub. That doesn't mean the members don't have an alternative, it's because most of the threads are for laughing. It's like complaining that threads in /r/niceguys don't talk about an alternative strategy for these guys. That's because that's not what the sub is for. That doe…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 06:19 AM
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The other way around actually. Most self improvement advice TRP gives (aka TRP truths) is just mainstream advice (aka BP advice). You ever heard BP arguing against being fit, being confident and not being a doormat? I don't think so.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 06:16 AM
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I'm saying that if he can't show where it came from then he made up the quotes. That's not a weird argument is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 06:15 AM
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This is anecdotal and deals with your personal experience rather than societal trends. Furthermore, we have no idea what your definitions of "average" or "decent-looking" are. This same criticism applies to the entire Red Pill, so what makes RP more meaningful than my experiences? Because you happen to agree with it?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 06:14 AM
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It's not just advice though. They fail to provide a coherent worldview that can stand up to TRP. The sub doesn't provide a coherent worldview, but the users can. Just ask them. But there's already other places that provide a coherent worldview that /r/tbp agrees with. Just visit /r/relationships , /r/sex , /r/dating or whatever. Why should /r/tbp just repeat that? They're just here for the jokes and the occasional serious post. If you are looking for a coherent worldview in the sense "People tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 06:13 AM
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The comparison to tumblr isn't useful, because the tumblr mentality Is so clearly false people are beyond the point of having to argue against it. It's just there to be made fun of. That's why it is useful. To most people, TRP is so obviously false that people are beyond the point of arguing against it. Pretty much the same thing. If you'd post RP stuff on Tumblrinaction, it'll get upvoted too (I've done it before). and yeah, blue pill does indeed have to offer an alternative if it expects to be…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 06:11 AM
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The first two are insults aimed at someone who literally came to the sub and started insulting first. Third one is obviously a joke. Fourth one and fifth are a rant against this whole "she must be a virgin thing". Especially the fifth one just calls out hypocrisy. So maybe the fourth one could be hate speech. That's one comment sitting at a grand total of +10 karma. Submitted 4 months ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 06:07 AM
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These three comments are not no (although I think the hatches comments is a poor attempt at humor). But you picked these three specific posts for a reason. Look at the rest of the frontpage. Mostly satire still. There is the occasional serious stuff, but that's not most of it. There is outrage on TBP, but TBP is not about outrage.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/16 09:30 PM
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Allright I had a look. Does my dollar go towards hatchets to chop these fuckers' heads in with? If so, hang on, let me get my checkbook..... Comment placed very recently and not upvoted. What does thay say about TBP? Oh right, very little. I got halfway thru and had to stop. I'm not easily triggered but I am sitting here sobbing in anger and sadness. My chest hurts now and I have this uncontrollable rage and need to beat that stupid piece of shit with a baseball bat. I really fucking hate people…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/16 09:20 PM
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BP really needs to offer an alternative or else they are part of the problem. Honestly, I think if you ask, they will either get you advice, or point you to places where they think you can get good advice. Has anyone who says it doesn't offer advice ever bothered asking them?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/16 09:14 PM
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No not at all. But I asked for some links so I can where they came from. I you can't do that, I'm going to have to assume you did make them up.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/16 09:09 PM
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I could have worded it better I suppose
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/16 09:04 PM
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You keep repeating that, but you can't seem to provide any links at all to support that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/16 09:04 PM
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So tell me, what situation do you need advice in, and I'll show you a mainstream (so BP), easy to find piece of advice on the internet for it. when confronted with the reality of women's highly selective nature they just blow it off Or perhaps they blow it off because you start with the premise that women are already highly selective. It's like saying "I asked Atheists which god they believed in and they blew me off. They have no valuable opinion to offer". You're starting with a premise that yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/16 09:04 PM
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Those people are probably wrong, but that has nothing to do with your original post. It's important to remember that /r/thebluepill and "the BP view" are totally different, and if you're trying to defend /r/thebluepill as anything more than a joke, people are going to call you out on that. That's the thing. I don't really defend TBP as much more than a joke (although they do have a serious post with serious opinions every now and then). It's (some) people here that group 'the BP view' and the su…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/16 09:00 PM
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Links for all of them? "I got halfway thru and had to stop. I'm not easily triggered but I am sitting here sobbing in anger and sadness. My chest hurts now and I have this uncontrollable rage and need to beat that stupid piece of shit with a baseball bat. I really fucking hate people. " This one for example. You didn't provide context, but I very much doubt the "stupid piece of shit" is an RP'er making a post about how women are illogical. I bet you that the "stupid piece of shit" is probably a …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/16 08:58 PM
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but most of it is simply SJW hatemongering and nasty, depressing, overly negative drivel. Where is this hatemongering drivel on TBP? Care to link some examples? Because honestly (and I mean really honestly) unless our definitions of hatemongering are different, I can't really think of much. Just like TRP, TBP is not what is says it is (a satire sub). I get the same depressed, negative feeling from reading both subs. Yeah, that's true. It's still mostly satire and jokes (most posts link to RP wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/16 08:53 PM
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You said it yourself - /r/thebluepill is a joke sub. It shouldn't be taken seriously and it shouldn't be seen as anything more. Yeah, but it's important to make the distinction that the sub is a joke, but being BP here on this debate sub is not a joke (ie you have no actual alternative). Too often I defend the not RP view (so the BP view) and people just respond with "well the BP sub is shit therefore you are".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/16 08:46 PM
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Is this in reference to something, or more general? I'm seeing it more often lately. Certainly not everybody, but whenever I criticize the RP sub, the response is "Well it's like the BP sub offers an alternative!".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/16 08:44 PM
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"blue pill" does not necessarily refer to the subreddit I understand that, but often this critique is labeled at the sub "why does /r/TBP not offer an alternative, all they want to do is hate!". And it's factually incorrect that mainstream media (the other "blue pill") does not offer advice. You may or may not agree, but it does offer it. when you come to a debate an issue, you can't expect to win by saying "all your ideas suck, but I've got nothing better. And there is a part of the problem. Wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/16 08:25 PM
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I wonder what you would think if someone was calling for reddit to ban the gays or other politically trendy groups? I would think they're shitheads. But it is still reddits right to host whatever content they want. You'll see that some christian websites won't allow discussion about gays too. I don't agree with that, but it is their right and does in no way infringe upon free speech.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/16 07:32 PM
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First define misogyny, Women are not logical. Women have no value beyond sex. Women are inherently bad at X, Y or Z. Women deserve to raped. Etc. Now, can you find me an example of a BP post attacking men that don't misogeny or sexism first?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/16 07:31 PM
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Oh so someone wallowing in their misery and blaming/insulting/hating women is an excuse to dehumanise them and treat them with mockery and hate? Of course. You make it sound like they can't help it that they turn that misery into sexism and misogeny. Point me to a BP post that actually makes fun of someone who is miserable, but who does not blame women or talks down to women or anything of the sort. I think you'll be hard pressed to find an example.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/16 05:16 PM
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TBP wants to get the politically incorrect subs shut down and silenced. Which has little to do with free speech. Anyone has the right to petition for a place on the internet to be free of things they don't like. I've never seen anyone on BP suggest that RP should be outlawed, because that would actually be an attack on free speech.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/16 04:57 PM
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Pretty much, only RP claims to be serious about it
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/16 03:12 PM
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Yes. Not a majority, but there's men who like tomboy-ish girls and no doubt girls who like "softer" men. Of course they exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/16 01:05 PM
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Hiding being "shit and giggles" is at least admitting that their criticisms can't be taken seriously. Not really. The "shits and giggles" part isn't serious indeed. But if a group just laughed at the flat earth society for example, does that mean they're wrong for not offering a solid alternative? Or does that group simply know that the solid alternative is already widely available and just wants to have some fun with idiots?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/16 01:05 PM
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You are not talking about the sub TBP right? Because that's just a sub for shits and giggles. I'm talking about BP as in "mainstream culture", like TRP uses it
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/16 10:56 AM
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It explains a lot if you're willing to look for it. What do you think isn't explained at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/16 05:57 AM
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Some do I'm sure. Which is why you're not doomed as a non-masculine man
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/16 03:24 AM
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Sometimes they do. But because BP isn''t perfect doesn't mean RP is right
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/16 03:23 AM
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If you're so mentally ill that you go on a murder spree, that is probably why you can't get laid. That's all I have to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/16 09:56 PM
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I feel that in an attempt to make Red Pill more legitimate, RP'ers include very common sense things as RP truths like "be attractive and fit" and "don't be a doormat". They then paint everyone who is not RP as not believing in those things, making them seem very stupid. In reality, most people have no problem understanding those things. Then again, I don't think you could consider those things RP truths either.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/16 07:02 PM
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Masculine traits are one of the things that make you more attractive yes. What are you getting at? Who denies that except tumblr crazies?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/16 04:13 PM
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Of course they are. Just like men like feminine features. RP's mistake is thinking in absolutes, ie "if you're not masculine, forget it", which is just wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/16 10:56 AM
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Red Pill explanation? Nobody denies that a masculine voice can be attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/16 10:55 AM
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I find the act of sex disturbing. Then don't do it I also have no interest in relationships So no problems there too Why are you trying to get things you don't care about? Just do whatever makes you happy
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/16 12:02 AM
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The law won't throw you in prison for drinking a beer and having sex
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 10:20 PM
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I'm not talking about getting rid of drunk sex, I'm using people being so drunk that they can't enthusiastically consent as an example of why affirmative consent could be good.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 10:01 PM
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Yes, but what does that have to do with my point?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 09:45 PM
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I don't understand what you mean? Having sex while drunk is fine. Having sex with someone who is so drunk that they obviously don't know what they're doing and they DO NOT say "yes" enthusiastically is not. What does that have to do with 12 hours?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 08:23 PM
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When they can't say yes enthusiastically of course. That's the entire point, right? If your conscious enough to enthusiastically consent, I really don't think there is a problem, and I don't think most judges will think so.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 07:36 PM
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I'm talking nearly blacked out drunk obviously
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 03:34 PM
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Then we're just back to a he said/she said situation It's almost always a he said/she said situation. Affermative consent is, in my view, not meant to weed out actual rapists, but people who take advantage of other drunk or otherwise not entirely conscious people. It also prevents people from being scared into sexual acts (she didn't say no, so it's not rape!). I really don't understand the hysteria about this. Just ask "is this okay with you?" and if get an enthusiastic yes, continue on. If not…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 03:18 PM
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Tumblrinaction makes it to the frontpage often enough. If anything, the reverse situation is more accepted by reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 01:38 AM
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Dude calm down, I'm not saying that progressive is always better. But the very word progressive implies change and conservative does not. If you look at each election which side wants the most change, it's almost always the progressives. Even Trumps rethoric "Make America Great Again" is based on restoring things to how they were.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/16 02:52 PM
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Just because the USA has been progressive for awhile doesn't mean that progressiveness isn't about change anymore. It's a simple fact. Change in gun laws is a progressive point. Reverting abortion law to the way it was (overturning Roe vs Wade) is a conservative point. Most of the conservative points are about repealing progressive points.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/16 02:37 PM
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What does that mean? I'm just saying that progressive ideologies generally want change and that conservatives generally seek to keep the status quo or revert things to how they were. Is that not true in the US?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/16 02:07 PM
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Hows that? The most progressive candidate (Sanders) is also the one wanting policies that deviate the most from what's been done before in the USA. Like his policies or not, but he does want to change things to ways that havent been done before.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/16 01:57 PM
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Regardless of the merit of conservative vs liberal ideologies, conservative ideologies are aimed at not changing things, or changing things to how they used to be. That's the safe option, so I think it's no surprise it's the most attractive to the lower intelligence group. Change is hard (and I'm not saying the liberals in the USA is the right change btw) to accept and requires more critical thinking, simple really.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/16 11:48 AM
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There are many many stupid, immature and naive adults out there. There are, but adults are responsible for their own actions, and children are not. We have to draw a line somewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/16 07:54 PM
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it proves such relationships cannot work, but hang on, most relationships fail, are you not being hypocritical, by pretending this only happens with a big age gap? Most relationships fail, but we do draw a line where the law protects someone and where they are totally responsible for themselves. That line must be somewhere, and in most western countries, I think it's a 18. I never said 16 year old guys were any better by the way (And I used to be one, I could know)
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/16 07:30 PM
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I do however reject the idea that a 16 year old and a 24 year old are always badly matched and think you should mind your own business in that scenario. There's arguments to be made for that, and I believe healthy relationships with an age difference that big can exist, but a 16 year old kid isn't an adult. There are a lot of things 16 year olds can't do, because we don't consider them to be responsible enough to do it. Buying alcohol for example. These laws exist to protect 16 year olds against…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/16 07:11 PM
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Well in that case aren't women clearly superior because men die more in stupid causes? Or for that matter, men are weaker because they suicide more. Clearly a sign that they can't handle the world. I'll say it again, you can argue for the superiority of everyone if you cherrypick the right criteria.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/16 12:14 PM
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Why would it be? Fighting skills aren't really necessary in western civilization anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/16 12:03 PM
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For example the orchestra thing. I have no problem believing that men are physically stronger. But a lot of these claims are at least somewhat disputed in the academic world, or in the sources for these claims there is important context, such as research to social environments and their effects. If OP doesn't provide that, we cannot see the context of these sources and thus see how right OP is. It's like a movie poster that says "Best movie since Citizen Kane!", but if you read the review, the e…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/16 11:27 AM
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Now your measure of superiority is who would win a fight?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/16 11:23 AM
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Why? Why is being taller a measure of superiority? If we get to pick our own measures of superiority (and actually OP did that already), you can make the case for every gender/race that they're superior.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/16 10:49 AM
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Time is so precious that you had the time to make this post, but not to spend 60 seconds to find sources?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/16 10:02 AM
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You pose a statement, you provide proof. That's kinda how debating works. If it's easy to find, it should be trivial for you to add it to the OP
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/16 09:57 AM
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First: sources please Second: are asian people superior to white people? By your standards, they probably are. Would you agree with that too?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/16 09:52 AM
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"Easier" is a very subjective term, so you'd be hard pressed to get an accurate objective answer. There's plenty of arguments for both sides to prove that the other side has it "harder". Really no point in discussing this, except more oppression olympics.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/16 09:50 AM
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Says who? You?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/16 10:03 PM
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All the rape hoaxes? You mean the ~10 cases that keep popping up here?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/16 09:44 PM
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Citation needed
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/16 09:21 PM
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It happens, but I'm not sure if you can speak of an epedemic. You have to understand that outrageous stuff gets clicks on the internet, while normal stuff doesn't. Even if only one in thousand divorces have lying about domestic abuse and great injustice that comes with it, it's these cases that you're gonna read about on the internet. It's easy to be fooled and think "that's the third of that I've read this month, must be an epedimic!". But really it's most likely not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/16 09:07 PM
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The act of pandering itself maybe not. But not all pandering is equal. For some pandering, you don't have to twist facts that much to say what your audience wants to hear. That's not as bad as making everything up, or just as worse, just saying "I'll solve it" without saying how.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/16 10:53 AM
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So what is it then? a person who caters to or profits from the weaknesses or vices of others. Says google. So literally, telling persons what they want to hear
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/16 10:45 AM
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Well if you pander to a group that thinks 2+2=3, or if you pander to a group that thinks 2+2=4, you're pandering in both cases. But only in one case are you actually saying correct things.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/16 10:15 AM
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I believe X, and if you dont, you can refute it. Here is a well known example of X, which I have used to demonstrate my point and allow common ground for discussion, since you are likely also aware of this example of X. So, for clarity, X here refers to that women like to be abused. And Rihanna is an example of that. Sure. But that doesn't prove X in any way. "Americans believe in scientology and Tom Cruise in an example of that". That statement is right, but what's not right is that many Americ…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 11:53 PM
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You know, that's intellectual dishonesty. "If you don't understand why I'm right, I don't want to take the time to school you". You literally said "The US can genuiely threaten every country on the planet except China and Russia" (and you implied that they can use that to get what they want). If you think that the US can simply force all those countries to do whatever the US wants, you're in for a nasty surprise. You know what happens if the US tries to force their hands by only thinking of them…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 11:51 PM
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Says the guy who first assumes I have no experience and when I say I do, I'm suddenly full of myself. Since the US can genuinely threaten every country on the planet except china and russia, With what? Do this or we'll invade you? That's not a realistic threat to most countries. The US knows full well they can't keep invading countries at will, lest they face enourmous backlash not only from the rest of the world, but from their own people.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 11:45 PM
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So please, enlighten me, what was the other guys point? I'm listening
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 11:44 PM
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Yeah, and my degree has parts of it on negotiation and communication theory. What do you want to know?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 11:35 PM
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Absolutely not. Please explain how Rihanna being stupid proves that women like being abused?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 11:33 PM
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And I would love to see evidence that you're right. America does have a lot of power, but not "do what I say or else" power
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 11:32 PM
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No. They said something about how women love it when an "alpha" abuses them and rihanna is somehow proof of that. Rihanna is one women, she's proof of nothing
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 11:29 PM
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I think you're seriously overestimating the power of America
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 11:25 PM
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I don't know. Rihanna is now the baseline for how all women act?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 11:09 PM
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They can't literally force America's hand, but from what I've read (I googled just now) there's a fair number of deals that America profits from going on with Saudi Arabia. So, they do have at least some economic power over America.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 11:06 PM
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That doesn't make a lick of sense
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 11:04 PM
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Women complaining about men treating them shittily are often vague and don't seem to have the same amount of emotional damage from it; You've never heard of abused women talking about their experiences? Their stories are no less worse than their male counterparts.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 10:54 PM
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Why all this discussing on incels, and who can and cannot be it, and who must have it worse on here lately? What's the point? Some people don't get sex while they want to. That sucks. No, that fact doesn't make it so that problems of other people don't count.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 10:47 PM
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And how much leverage does Trump have? America is no longer the undisputed strongest anymore. The East is coming up fast.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 10:46 PM
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Its ok to compromise and he does, That's not what I get from what he says. I don't think the USA (or any country) should be a doormat so to speak, but compromising is a good thing in my eyes, especially since in the end, we all live on the same planet, and the decisions country A makes will have effects on country B, whether they like that or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 10:44 PM
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On the one hand you have a point. Of course other leaders have to work with America because they're big and relatively powerful. On the other hand, being an asshole who only thinks of himself will get you trade penalties too. That's what Putin got and that's what Trump may get (although not on a scale anywhere near Putin, since I don't suppose Trump will start random wars to annex countries into America.)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 10:38 PM
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Hillary changes her opinion just to pander to those to whom she is speaking. She does. But if both candidates are pandering, I'm picking the one who's pandering goes a little closer to reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 10:28 PM
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If you never sacrifice your own interests, how can you expect anyone to do business with you? Surprise, doing business is about compromising too.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 10:27 PM
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He's not liked but neither was GW Bush. Well Bush was not a good president now was he?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 10:26 PM
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No one is an expert in all areas. In my view, smart people critically evaluate what's in front of them and pick something to disagree with based on that. I can see people disagreeing on things and I can both think that they're smart people. But Trump just goes against things that are to me very common sense. Maybe it's that I'm very small minded, but going against like 90% of scientists probably means you're wrong. Doesn't have to be, but most likely does. And his constant changing of opinions, …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 09:51 PM
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Yes it does. I mean, in your case no one is ever better than someone else, because aren't pretty much all our viewpoints us agreeing with someone else? However, climate change is not really an opinion thing. It's a fact thing and Trump is denying it. No doubt denying is good for his business, but not for the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 09:42 PM
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yah ah
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 09:33 PM
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Yah
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 09:30 PM
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Well, Trump isn't looking to get into business with China eh. For every deal Putin gets, he alienates other countries. I don't think that's a sustainable strategy at all. International politics isn't about being liked it's about leverage like all business. And maybe Trumps going to find out that he doesn't have as much leverage as he thinks he has, and then he's got nothing with his tough guy attitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 09:30 PM
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we're discussing who has a better understanding of science. And from what I'm seeing, Trump doesn't exactly have a good understanding of science. He has a good understanding of what people want to hear (WE'RE GOING TO KEEP WINNING). How he's going to do that is not something that he needs facts for or anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 09:25 PM
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Trump is businessman he will probably do the best for your country because business men don't get successful by taking losing deals. Well he's not exactly liked outside of America. The british prime minister for example has said that he doesn't like Trump. I don't see how being disliked (and laughed at) in many countries gets you better deals. Look at Putin. Does he get good business deals? No, what he got was a trade embargo against Russia. That's what tough guy behaviour gets you on the intern…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 09:22 PM
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Even then, Bernie studied political science and Hillary studied Law, none of these things give them climate science credentials. No but they don't have to be. As long as they listen to their advisors, who I hope are experts, It's fine with me. It seems that Trump does not listen to experts at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 09:19 PM
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Yeah, but it's pretty much a scientific fact that we humans are helping climate change along pretty rapidly.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 09:18 PM
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So why are we pretending two people who are equally clueless about the state of affairs Who are these two people? One is Trump and the other one is? I think Hillary/Bernie know a bit more than the average environmentalist. But if you show me where they wrong, I'll be glad to learn. Still, if two persons are wrong about climate change, I'll still take the one who believes it exists over the one who doesn't. Because at least he's gonna try and do something about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 09:03 PM
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Why do you feel people who are less intelligent are more likely to support Trump that Hillary/Bernie? For starters, Trump literally goes against facts. One of the worst ones is that he denies climate change. Climate change is a scientific fact. I really can't take someone who denies that seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 08:56 PM
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On a related note, The_Donald is hilarious right now. Yesterday they were like Go Trump debate Bernie. Masterful plan! Show em! Now they're like Smart move for stepping out, what does he have to gain? Masterful move by Trump! Whatever Trump does, even if he literally has to change his mind because he acted too tough without the balls to back it up, they'll spin it like absolutely masterful. I think Trump could go out in the street and scream that he hates America, and The_Donald would suck his d…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 08:54 PM
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If you don't see that everything in that BP thread is talking about the guys who participate in the thread linked, I don't think highly of your reading comprehension. Seriously, it is pretty clear that "Those disgusting losers" refers to the people IN THAT THREAD. And you can disagree or agree that they are losers, but it is nowhere implied that suddenly BP means "every unattractive guys is a disgusting loser".
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 08:45 PM
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What kind of freedom are conservatives trying to curtail The freedom for gay people to marriage for example. The freedom to smoke some weed in your own house. It's mostly the conservatives that go against all this. There are of course many liberals and they don't all think the same, but I think that the general mindset of liberalism is "do what you want, as long as others aren't bothered by what you do". And of course you can interpret "bothered" in very different ways, but the SJW's that reddit…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 06:44 PM
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Then they are talking about a group of people who think it's okay to say "I think rape should be legal". Nowhere does TBP here talk about the group "unattractive people" like you claim they do. The only reason they hate on these guys is because these guys said hateful stuff first. And TBP keeps their posts aimed at the people who actually say these things, not "every unattractive guy", or "every man"
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 06:39 PM
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Yes. "These people" and "other pathetic losers" literally refers to the people in that link who think rape should be legal. What do you not understand about that?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 06:20 PM
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That's literally not what they say. Words have meanings you know. You can't just point at someone saying something and then claim they said another thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 06:03 PM
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Yes. They're literally talking about people who think rape should be legal. I think people who think rape should be legal are disgusting too. Is that hate now?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 05:43 PM
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Because TBP seems to be okay with extreme views in women but not extreme views in men. Why do you think that? Care to give a few quotes or links? Because you saying so doesn't make it so. TBP doesn't on focus on extreme feminism because that's not what they do. You can go to tumblrinaction for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 05:26 PM
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Can you point out some hate that's on the TBP sub right now? I'm curious as to what you think is hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 05:24 PM
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rampant divorce, single moms, dysfunctional homes, kids, relationships, swaths of "incel" men, etc.. Is this a new thing or is it that in the 1950s divorce was much more taboo and you didn't let others know if you're unhappy in your marriage? Because I think it's the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 03:28 PM
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Why wouldnt men want to be better than other men and score hot chicks? It's not even about other men, it's about TRP men trying to feel superior to women. How many post are there on TRP where it's just a circlejerk that goes: Women don't have [positive trait like discipline]!!! But men do! This is biological! We men are biologically superior!! And then the comments go Yeah I knew a girl that procrastinated once, so you must be totally right So much of TRP is just a circlejerk about how men are i…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/16 02:22 PM
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We shame them for the harm they can do to others. We essentially shame them because they do it first. How are women who sleep around harming or shaming anyone?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 12:15 PM
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I think sexists are a lot more common than members of the flat earth society
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 07:26 PM
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Which is fine. But theres still plenty of stories of traditional male jobs being pretty uninviting to women and that's always because of the job itself. I don't care how many women are in engineering. But I do think that a woman who chooses to do so should be treated the same as a man who does. And unless I'm hearing all lies that isn't always the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 07:21 PM
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Or perhaps these scholarships are given out to combat existing discrimination?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 06:50 PM
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So they DO exist!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 05:55 PM
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And also great catalysts for adopting a confirmation bias
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 05:54 PM
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No, you get some sources that we all can read and also sources that are actually about the point you're arguiing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 05:39 PM
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But these are fringe groups without significant numbers or significant influence. Their likelihood of discriminating is a fair point against them, but I'm not sure how relevant it is within a societal context. It shows that there are people who hold these views and that the argument "lol the way economy works people are hired 100% on merit and societal pressure doesn't exist" is very flawed.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 05:36 PM
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Well in that case that's a pretty shitty bus driver, allowing his passengers to vomit all over the place.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 05:34 PM
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Why are they so silent when it comes to blue collar jobs? I don't know. If it were up to me they'd talk about it more. From what I've heard, being a women and going into construction for example isn't always fun. I've heard multiple stories of women not being taken seriously at all due to an attitude of "why would a woman know this better than me lol". So yeah, they could talk about that more. Then again, this also has to do with that society views blue collar jobs as more unfavourable. Feminism…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 04:21 PM
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Eehm, that article is about personality differences, not occupational ones. Also, I can only read the abstract since the rest of the article is behind a paywall.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 04:17 PM
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Sweden has far more male engineers. .. In fact, the more feminist a society becomes, the BIGGER the gap becomes in STEM fields. Got sources for that? Because I couldn't find any. Just saying something doesn't make it true.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 04:05 PM
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I don't believe American women are significantly less privileged. But I also don't believe they are significantly more privileged. when they very clearly hold most of the buying power in a capitalist society. This is objectively false. Men hold the leadership roles, the vast majority of them. They objectively have more power. You can debate whether or not they do things that benefit women, but they do make the decisions. On a personal level, men tend to make more (whatever the cause) so basic ec…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 04:01 PM
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Also plumbing, electricians, mechanics, etc are mostly men. But you don't stop and question why that is. Your answer is "It must 100% be the personal choice of women!", and you won't accept any other answer. While that certainly plays a part imo, societal expactations and gender roles also play a big part in that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 03:56 PM
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You know in most marriage the man works while the woman does grocery shopping and the housework. So she's technically spending money he makes I guess, but in reality they're both contributing to their marriage, it just happens that he does the part you get paid for.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 03:55 PM
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everyone who ascribes to the red pill, was traumatized at some point in their life by a failed relationship. That, or they're just very young and impressionable. If you're 15-18 years old, reading something on the internet that goes "Society is against you, but here's how you can stand up and get a dream life!" is very attractive. You want to believe and that bias then leads you to actually believe it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 03:53 PM
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Most women can't compete in real production based fields through merit based standardized exams or the rigor of the subject. So now you are doing the exact same thing again. You repeat a pre-conceived notion that fulfills itself if enough people believe it. Apart from heavy-lifting jobs, what can't women do? People in STEM fields generally don't go around lifting bars and building houses themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 03:47 PM
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Let me ask you a counter question: a lot of TRP/MGTOW/manosphere says this If a women goes into stem, we'll treat her just the same as men if she's good enough. We'll hire her if she is equally good, no sexism from us At the same time they say this Remember AWALT. Women are inherently prone to being ruled by emotions and are irrational. They don't have the dicipline men do. Don't take chances with them! While they claim to evaluate women on personal merit, their actions don't match that. So, whi…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 03:42 PM
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It depends. I have little sympathy for SJW's on tumblr, and I think they're usually oversensitive idiots. But when I look at /r/mensrights , (and they're not even as hurdur women did this so unfair as MGTOW or TRP), there's more women bashing than actual mensrights imo. The top post right now is "Jennifer Lawrence said something hypocritical!!!". In the comments half of the posters call all white women privileged and unaware of it, while the other half calls them out on that (and rightly so). Ot…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 03:17 PM
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Yes so it's not the same. It's not about the end result (girls interested in him), it's about the actions he does or does not take (ie flirting or not flirting)
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/16 09:06 PM
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That does not amount to the same thing at all. They can think that without him flirting with them
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/16 08:45 PM
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people are considerably more stressed and anxious and depressed than ever before. Yes, but we've also seen decreases in poverty, so maybe it evens out? It's dangerous to parse happiness by reading internet forums, since they self select for people who want to complain.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/16 04:35 PM
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And that is the case? You'd be happy with any partner and you think women won't do with anything but the best?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/16 04:20 PM
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They make good points (also about general happiness). Still, I think average happiness did rise over the past 50 years (http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11205-015-1128-x). I also think the percentage of people in a happy relationship isn't really lower than 50 years ago. There might have been more people in relationships then, but that was because it was the social norm then to get married quickly. Getting out of an unhappy relationship was way harder. The "in the 1950's women loved men…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/16 04:17 PM
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It's very rare to find the absolute perfect partner. It was rare then and it's rare now. If you won't do for anything but perfect you're always gonna have an hard time
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/16 04:01 PM
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Obviously people aren't the same as paintings. The idea is having multiple options and making a choice. Yeah, but if the only experiment done on that was with paintings, than it's valid to ask if it will apply to human interaction. The point is that they are satisfied that they made the correct decision based on the options that were presented to them. But did people feel more satisfied 50 years ago because they had less choice? I tried googling again, but the only found that the number of marri…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/16 02:40 PM
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Eh, let's not bullshit here. 90% if your online profile is pictures. The other 10% is nonsense. Yeah that's a good point, but what I did hear was that the pictures weren't even that well taken, so that might be something. Even if you are a less attractive man, you might get a response Well I don't think it's a novel idea that men care more about looks than women do in general. Not that women don't care about looks, but also about status etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/16 02:36 PM
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No, the study showed that women rated men much more harshly (ie only the top 20% of men were attractive), but messaged to men they deemed less attractive too. Men rated a way higher percentage of women attractive, but messaged only the women they found attractive, so in the end, it kinda evened out. Also, that OKcupid study can easily be critized. They only went with pictures for example, that may or may not have been well taken, while on most dating sites you can also work with your description…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/16 02:24 PM
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Back in ye olde days when you only had two dozen potential partners because you lived in a small village, there wasn't a lot to choose from, so when the hottest 20% were off the market (which would be 5 people), being average was good enough. Online dating hasn't helped here. And when there were 4 more guys than girls in your age group you'd be shit out of luck. Now you can connect to other girls much easier. Despite what you may believe (it's probably that OKcupid study), women messaged way mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/16 02:12 PM
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I don't think it's unrealistic to extrapolate this same phenomenon to relationships. I don't know, because relationship are something almost everyone wants on some level, ie it is an internal desire. To extrapolate the choice for a painting on relationships seems wonky at best. I can just as easily imagine that because there was less choice, people settled more and were unhappier for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/16 02:03 PM
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There are many studies that indicate the more choices people feel they have the less happy they are with their particular choice. Citation on how it applies to dating? Throw in an insatiable hypergamy drive Also citation needed I tried googling for happiness in a relationship now vs then, but couldn't really find anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/16 01:42 PM
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Way easier of course. 50 years ago there was simply way less connectivity. Now you have a much much larger pool of possible partners, thus a much greater chance you'll find someone compatible.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/16 01:32 PM
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Yeah that's true. It's a bit weird advice
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 03:45 PM
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You yourself just characterized an entire group based on a handful of posts. There's a difference between generalizing TRP and generalizing a gender. You choose to be a TRP'er. You choose to align yourself with that philosophy. That says a hell of a lot about you. You could make similar generalizations about certain groups on tumblr and I'd agree with you in a heartbeat.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 03:29 PM
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the philosophy and teachings hold up in practice, and these in my opinion can only be truly confirmed to yourself by experiencing them firsthand. Yeah, I can agree to that (although I think that most of the things from TRP that hold up aren't unique or invented by TRP, so I really wouldn't give TRP credits for those)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 03:23 PM
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Not always. Some people have different priorities and two months isn't that long, especially if both are virgins. It's nowhere near as long as year, or even until marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 12:44 PM
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I really don't care what RP has to say about men. Do you think that an equal number of women accept blame? With the opposite I didn't mean "men don't accept blame", I meant "women who DO accept blame" Hypothesis: If you grow up being deprived of agency you will have a harder time accepting blame for your action. Feminists say that women are deprived of agency. TRP says they know tons of women who don't accept blame... Now you're picking a very specific part of feminist theory to support TRP theo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 12:35 PM
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The problem is that there are pretty much an equal number of examples of the opposite, but TRP'ers dismiss that as exceptions or lies. Furthermore they don't use the same standards for judging men. If I came up with 1000 examples of men not being as smart as women, that wouldn't prove anything to the average TRP'er. If I came up with 1000 women being not as smart as men, that would be evidence that men are smarter to TRP. It's the double standard that this post is about, taking a small fraction …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 11:36 AM
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A gereralization only has to broadly apply in most cases to be correct. Thats what generalizations are. Although TRP is still wrong in making their generalizations because they base it on a pre-confirmed sample, that is not the point of this post. The point of this post is that TRP will use flaws a woman has to generalize ALL women, aka I saw twenty women do this last month, so we can say that women do this. TRP is highly selective in picking their examples and will ignore any anecdotes that go …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 10:48 AM
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They can be fixed through other means, but most of the attempts at fixing it right now come from feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 10:34 AM
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Because there's a lot of posts like "CMV: feminism is completely useless" on here. And if you say "No, because this and this still needs attention", you're gonna get some reactions like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 10:12 AM
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I think it's true, TRP falls into this trap. Ironically so does TBP. :) Or any other ideological group, liberals, conservatives, religious groups, atheists etc. It's human nature. There is a very large difference between generalizing women and generalizing TRP'ers. Two in fact: TRP'ers are a relatively small group, not even a fraction of the number of women, and more importantly: TRP is an opt-in philosophy with rather narrow views. You don't opt in in being a woman, but you do opt in in being a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 10:09 AM
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Yes but these are generalizations that are subsets of the male group and the implication is that a man can move between these groups to a degree. While if a women shifts blame, the lesson is "women are incapable of empathy"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 01:51 AM
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Imo I think all generalizations are acceptable because as an individual most people in the world are not going to fuck with you on any level. Ah but that is the point of this post. RP doesn't generalize men the same way they do with women. A weak man is a weak man. A weak woman means all women are weak. This line of reasoning is found in their posts near constantly.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 01:43 AM
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Reactionary or not, it's hard to take them even remotely seriously when they critizise a movement for its logical fallacies and proceed to use the same fallacies even harder themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 01:38 AM
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That is not even the problem I am talking about now (although it is something TRP has big problems with). The point here is that they classify male flaws as individual, while female flaws are representative of the whole gender. You pick either both or none (even though picking both is still stupid, but at least you're consistent)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 01:35 AM
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That too, but the point of this post is that when a TRP'er encounters a weak man he's like: that man is weak. Don't be that man." When he encouters a weak woman it's like: "woman are weak, learn from this"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 01:27 AM
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Women being taken less seriously professionally is simply the aggregate reputation of women on the job. Assuming that's true, that means that women who are more competent than men aren't believed to be more competent ie they are not judged on individual merit. So feminism has a point in adressing this.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/16 09:33 PM
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Women are still taken less seriously in many professional environments. Abortions should be way more accessible. That's a couple
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/16 09:02 PM
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Very well, where did I not debate? Please show me
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/16 08:50 PM
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You don't but apparently a lot of people here do
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/16 08:36 PM
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Yeah fuck me for trying to get better debate on a debate sub right?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/16 06:41 PM
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The point is exactly as stated in the OP. I feel that if you say "You know sometimes women have it bad too", you're getting reactions like I described. The inverse happens too, but much less often, because on this sub debates is between moderates and the extreme right. Leftists don't even come here really, so their points (MRM is bullshit, men have no problems) are never up for debate, pretty much everyone here already agrees that men have legitimate problems too.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/16 06:37 PM
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You realize you're doing the exact same thing now (not accepting nuances)? Just because that woman is a feminist means that all feminists are like her?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/16 06:35 PM
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Horseshoe theory. Extremes on both sides are nuts. And extremes are always the most visible to the other side.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/16 06:29 PM
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That's true too and I mentioned that in OP
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/16 06:17 PM
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Hey you (or the OP of the top comment) said "TRP doesn't literally say All women are like that". It's fact that TRP says that. I'm not even debating whether or not they mean that or they mean it to be taken literally, but they do say those exact words. Quite often. And yes, if you treat all women like loaded guns you shouldn't complain if people do the same to men. I think both are wrong, but that's just me eh
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/16 05:37 PM
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And how often do girl get higher marks for the same work then?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/16 04:20 PM
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Well, you guys You guys? Why is it on this forum that if you concede that feminism has some good points that you're suddenly opposed to mensrights and you don't recognize that men have problems too?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/16 02:14 PM
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Wow, wow, because I think X is bad, I must automatically think Y is good! You really put me in my place there.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/16 01:42 PM
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Or you tell me what is a greater concern: systemic discrimination of boys in education, or boys getting the highest paid jobs against equally qualified girls anyway? The knife cuts both sides.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/16 01:12 PM
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So if this orchestra thing justifies feminism it seems actual discrimination against men justifies a much larger men's movement. It absolutely does. My problem with a lot of the men's rights groups (MGTOW being absolutely horrible) is that they focus more on hating whenever a woman does something than actual focus on mens rights. Now, to be fair, a lot of feminists do this as well, so they could use the same criticism. What you're describing is actually benevolent misandry and is really discrimi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/16 01:10 PM
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So you're conceding that in reality it doesn't happen or at least can't be proven? No, I'm not. I am conceding that it doesn't happen on such a ridiculous scale as in my example. But it was just that, an example to prove a point. Stuff like this happens on smaller scales against both genders. Citation needed http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/puar.12310/abstract http://amr.aom.org/content/21/2/402.short https://www.researchgate.net/publication/272400520_Performance_effects_of_top_managem…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/16 12:50 PM
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A better example would be like if women got longer sentences than men for the same crimes or faced over bias from overwhelmingly male teachers such that girls got worse grades for the same work. Very snarky, but yes systemic discrimination without legal discrimination exists against men too, I have no problem agreeing with that. In the same vein that girls will get better grades for the same work, man will be better judged in negotiations and conversations, even if both actors used the exact sam…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/16 12:38 PM
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Ah yes, that is literally totally what I said and you're not missing the point at all. But to continue on your rethoric, I suppose you agree that in a divorce women should get 100% custody, since men are more likely to work and have less time for the children? I mean we're not gonna look at individual cases, we just look at the large trend that men tend to work more. AMALT right?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/16 12:10 PM
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Somehow you need protection from someone thinking that women, as a rule are more irrational than men? If you believe women are more irrational and you are in a position of power (hiring people for example) it's possible that you let that bias your decision and that you'll hire a less qualified man over a more qualified woman, because you believe that the woman will be less rational in the workplace. If you use AWALT in situations like that, you're gonna create unfair and discriminating situation…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/16 11:58 AM
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This is called a strawman. My argument was that you could never prove it. Hypothetical situations in which you can read someone's mind are irrelevant. That's beside the point. You claimed that systemic discrimination cannot exist if there's no legal discrimination. I showed you that it CAN exist. Whether or not you prove it in my example is not relevant, because in theory it CAN exist. They are there to run a business. The racial or gender composition is irrelevant. They are not in fact. I'm stu…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/16 11:54 AM
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Correlation does not equal causation. You can never prove conclusively it is discrimination because of other factors in business and economics. The way I described it (employer making salary offerings based on gender without looking at individual merit) is literally an example of gender discrimination. I'm sorry buddy but words have meanings. I just gave you an example of how systemic discrimination can exist without legal discrimination and this is it. If you're going to argue against a diction…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/16 09:47 AM
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That is not systemic. That is individual. Wrong. It is individual if you look at individual cases, but if 80% of employers do this, the discrimination becomes systemic (ie in the system). https://www.eeoc.gov/eeoc/systemic/ This describes systemic discrimination as a pattern, so that's what I meant. When enough individuals do something, it becomes a pattern. EVEN IF I concede that your example happens across all women ever, if they accept that and don't negotiate for more money or line up their …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/16 11:15 PM
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So you concede that there is no systemic discrimination Even systemic discrimination can exist without legal discrimination. For example: if women and men are equal by law, but every employer only offers a woman half the salary he offers a man, there is systematic discrimination against women. But since every employer has the right to offer lower salaries, the discrimination is not legal discrimination. Now this example is not happening, at least not this extreme, but you get the point. False eq…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/16 10:48 PM
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Discrimination can exist whitout legal discrimination. Or do you think that from the 1970 onwards no blacks were ever discriminated against ever?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/16 10:39 PM
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When I look around me in the real world I usually think "nah, it's fine, we are equal and it works out". But then I see TRP and lots of people that genuiely believe women are less capable of rational thinking and I'm reading that these people are sometimes in positions of power and I think "maybe feminism isn't so bad after all".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/16 10:37 PM
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at type of emotional attachment is impossible to maintain long-term without constant, significant effort. Yes, but in my experience the effort is a very good investment and it pays itself back and more. Of course you'll have to be selective who you'll pour your effort in, but if you do that, there's a good chance your effort is rewarded.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/16 10:32 PM
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Do you know what "literally" means? It doesn't matter if they literally mean it, they do literally say it though. Words have meanings, such is life.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/16 10:31 PM
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Gene editing is also that way -->
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/16 08:00 PM
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Therapy is that way fella -->
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/16 07:45 PM
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They say AWALT (All women are like that). That is literally what they say. No going around that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/16 03:04 PM
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And then she finds out she's more invested and you deliberately avoided getting invested and she divorces you. And according to TRP that's still her fault
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/16 09:01 AM
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about girls just saying yes to sex because they are afraid to say no. Which is usually coercion or threats. However, this doesn't mean that if you accidentally coerce a girl (you're very big and socially obnoxious) you're thrown in prison. Only a few percent of accusations actually result in a conviction for the rapists, and those are the easy to prove cases. Consent doesn't have a technical legal standard, but the burden of proof is not "She said that she actually didn't want to say yes so that…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/16 09:30 PM
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This will not work at all. So we sign the contract, we go home and have sex. We agree on sex again next week, so we don't cancel the contract. The next day I want sex so I try it anyway, but she says no, I proceed to forcefully do it anyway. That's not rape now?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/16 09:28 PM
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TRP doesn't say it's literally all women either. Well do they literally say that. All women are like that. Whether or not that's meant to be taken literally is another thing, but they do literally say it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/16 09:26 PM
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In the context of having power this makes sense I'm not so sure. If you don't invest emotionally in a relationship, you can walk away easily, but so can your partner. Do you really have more power in that situation?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/16 11:28 PM
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Yes. I've seen multiple post saying "If you feel like you would be sad if a relationship ended, walk away right now". In my view, TRP is so afraid of getting hurt and wants to prevent it by any means. But in doing that, they also prevent themselves from being really happy, because they'll never get emotionally attached. For me and for most people I would think, emotional attachment is pretty important for happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/16 10:58 PM
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I do believe you. But that also means TRP isn't true for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/16 10:26 PM
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What wasn't the question. I know you're not Atlas, but Atlas claimed that TRP was true for her. And I said what TRP says about women and asked if that was true. If marriage is hard or not isn't really an answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/16 02:06 PM
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As an old women how is TRP true to you? Do you find emotions overriding your decisionmaking capability all the time? Do you manipulate people for selfish gain all the time? Would you leave your man the moment a better man is in sight?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/16 01:37 PM
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Fitness has little to do with TRP
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/16 01:25 PM
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That's a cheap way to say "I don't know what to say"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/16 08:39 AM
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No. But they don't want your "interesting personality" and you don't get theirs as a result. If you make sex your first priority, you'll find that the people you attract do the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/16 08:38 AM
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And a few comments ago the problem was the topics (only netflix and gossip). What's really the problem. Right now you sound like an edgy teenager who thinks he's too smart for this world
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/16 08:17 AM
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Yeah, they just use you as a plate probably
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/16 08:15 AM
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And what would actual conversations be? I don't like to discuss stuff like politics or science when I'm going out, doesn't mean I'm devoidvof personality. Moreover, I don't don't really talk about my interest with people I don't find interesting to talk to. If you barely meet any girls that say anything interesting to you, perhaps you are the problem
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/16 06:05 AM
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Acting like RP attracts people that confirm RP
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/16 03:40 AM
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Maybe you should try talking to smarter girls then. If netflix and gossip are their only things you're talking to thw wrong girls or doing something wrong so they don't tell you more or you're extremely unlucky.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/16 03:23 AM
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Majority of women are devoid of personality (Imo I have high standards) That's just objectively wrong dude. Maybe you don't see it, but it's certainly there. If you want a women who will talk to you about your specific interests only you're gonna have a hard time. But that doesn't mean they're devoid of personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/16 09:35 PM
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I care about more then sex but you have to be worth it and most women aren't In your view maybe. What makes a women worth it? I know plenty women I would consider "worth it" (altough some are not my type or have different interests so we wouldn't have a good click I guess)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/16 09:20 PM
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I think from the viewpoint of TRP, who are obsessed with sex and seemingly don't care about forming an emotional connection or doing stuff other than sex with a woman, there is a wall, since they don't want women over the age of 25 or something. But from the viewpoint of a woman there are luckily more than enough men who care about more than simply getting some sex (or realize you can just buy a fleshlight and save yourself the trouble if that's all you want) and want an connection, a bond with …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/16 09:00 PM
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So being in a happy relationship where I'm happy with the amount of sex makes me alpha regardless?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/16 08:27 PM
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This sounds like some TRP fanfiction to be honest
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 07:43 PM
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I tried it the Blue way. It doesn't work. It doesn't work for you . That's okay. But not the it wouldn't work for anyone stuff that you keep saying all the time
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 06:49 PM
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Or you think you know. You don't seem to engage in much critical thought regarding your beliefs
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 06:42 PM
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And how is it that your observations are somehow correct while all the other must be outliers? What makes your observations not the outliers? What's to say you don't have this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 06:31 PM
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How is it that you seem to know everything about what and how other people find each other attractive much better than they do?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 04:49 PM
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Surprise surprise, most people are not smoking hot and don't have smoking hot partner. But they do find each other very attractive. This might be a shock for RP, but attraction can develop too along with emotional connections. "Sexual Attraction" and "Emotional Attraction" are not isolated concepts, they're linked to each other and influence each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 03:49 PM
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Never said that
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 02:47 PM
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http://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/are_married_people_happier And this study shows married people are happier on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 01:35 PM
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How else can this be confirmed besides "field reports" and speaking with men who have been divorced. It cannot. As much as RP would like it to, you cannot catagorize all human behaviour. I mean I understand why they want it. It offers certainty and security. But it doesn't always work that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 01:30 PM
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Lot's of RP's offer observations. But they're often wrong because they're viewed through the RP mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 01:30 PM
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Ah yes, it always comes down to observation. So why do you deny all the observations that don't agree with your perspective?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 01:23 PM
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but it is a decided minority among married people. And that is based on?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 01:16 PM
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It happens I'm sure. But you pretend that the opposite (attractive married couples with healthy sex lives) is somehow an extreme rarity and this anecdote would prove that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 01:04 PM
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Don't conflate having problems with being RedPill ok? Why? Many RP'ers even here say that people who don't have problems in their relationships don't come to RP and that RP is so angry because they've had problems in relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 12:44 PM
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At least r/sex is supposed to be neutral and large enough to represent general population No. People who don't have problems in their sex life generally don't make topics because why would they. People who do not find that behaviour common, why would they say that in a comment? Reddit is a self-reinforcing circlejerk, if you posted it the other way around (She wants to have more sex with me than her bad boy ex) I'm sure you would get people confirming that too. I mean I'm not denying that his ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 12:39 PM
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Yes and on other subs lot's of people confirm that there's no such trend, upvotes and all included You can find evidence if anything on the internet if you look in the right place
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 12:32 PM
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we're not researchers. And neither are you. The difference between you and me is that you claim there's a common trend and I claim there's not. The burden of proof that at least say 60% of people act like this is on you and one anecdote doesn't do that. Saying "we're not researchers" is a copout. If you're not, then don't make claims like "this is common across society I know because I've seen two examples".
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 12:25 PM
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AF is a factual thing that occurs frequently. AF only marries TOP women but fucks many others. That is the problem for the VAST MAJORITY of women as they AGE OUT. And you base this on your feelings? Or on self selected field reports that wouldn't have been written if they didn't confirm this?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 12:18 PM
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Now you're just saying random stuff that you believe to be true because it fits your narrative
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 11:59 AM
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I already explained it: She was more sexually attracted to her ex. Yes that happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 11:57 AM
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You know there are plenty hot guys who are willing to enter a loving committed relationship right?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 11:57 AM
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She appears to be using the new guy for resources despite not being really attracted to him sexually like the alpha. Correct. No doubt these people exist. She was probably more sexually attracted to her ex. But that happens with some people. You claim it's a trend in society. This doesn't prove no more than a post (or 100 posts) from guys who claim they've seen god prove the existence of god.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 11:55 AM
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So you clearly don't understand it
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 11:50 AM
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She gets to fuck the hot dude in her prime years and throws the financial costs on the beta dude when her SMV has collapsed. Great strategy actually except for the beta. Because you know she can marry a hot dude and marry that guy and have a happy relationship with him. These guys also exist. I mean I don't deny that people settle. That happens. But to extrapolate from a few observations that women will go all out for their bad boys and be boring as fuck in their marriages? That's a stretch. A r…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 11:48 AM
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She was more compatible with her past partner. That happens to some people. That or she's incredibly stupid and misguided and believes that by not doing "bad" stuff she'll have a better relationship. You misunderstand BP. We don't deny that there are women who fuck bad boys and then continue to have starfish sex with a boring man. But we do deny that that's a large trend in society.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 11:46 AM
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For some women probably. I wouldn't say they are very smart then. For most women? I don't think so. This is just wishful thinking on your part.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 11:44 AM
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Do you understand self-selection? Do you know why everyone on RP confirms AWALT? Because people who do not believe in AWALT don't post on RP. Do you know why everyone on RP claims LTR are generally not worth it? Because people who do think they are worth it don't come to RP. It's like going to a church, finding out that 95% of people there believe in God and then making the statement that 95% of the population of the USA must believe in God.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 11:42 AM
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I highly doubt any level of evidence Any level of evidence yes. A few posts in a forum where only people with problems in their sex life post no.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 11:37 AM
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Red Pill literally posts something like this FROM A FEMALE almost every day. Like I said, even 100 every day is literally a drop in the bucket. If you go looking for anything, literally anything that supports your position, you can find something on the internet. Probably at least one new story every day. Do you believe in God? I can show you at least ten new stories on the internet every day of people who claim they encountered him. That should be proof enough right?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 11:36 AM
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There are MANY other posts of the same nature on the relationship blogs. Of course there are. There are also MANY more people on the internet NOT posting these things. Also, why are the most upvoted posts stating this is COMMON among women? This is coming from BLUE PILL men who can't explain it but mention it as common! Because nobody's gonna say in the comments "in my experience this isn't common", because it isn't helpful to a discussion in any way. This is all very much self selected and you …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 11:33 AM
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constant theme Wanna hear the secret of the internet? There millions of people on the internet. Wanna hear the secret of advice subs like /r/sex or /r/relationships? If you don't have problems you don't post there. So not only do you have a sample size of one (out of the millions of people on reddit), your sample size comes from a place where the post are already selected on having problems in their sexlife.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 11:25 AM
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Well if you look at RP/Anti-PC ways of thinking and presenting/interpreting arguments, they certainly DO behave like the crazy feminists
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 01:55 AM
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They simply don't have the power or the numbers to do that. The results of SJW's and TRP'ers are not the same. Their lines of thinking (and the deep flawes that come with them) are.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 01:47 AM
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Whatever floats her boat. I literally don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 12:33 AM
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And it being an age old halmark justifies it or makes it not hypocritical and irrational?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 11:28 PM
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You see an enemy using a powerful weapon, you don't ban your own troops from using it. What the anti-PC crowd does is seeing the enemy use a powerful weapon, claim pathetic/intellectually dishonest/unreasonable that weapon is and then use it for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 11:07 PM
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When feminists talk about "white men" they're really talking about the top 1% of wealth-holders. Not when they talk about "men are potential abusers/rapists/bad people"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 11:05 PM
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As far as I know both men and women can be loyal or disloyal, they can be pieces of shit or great people. TRP consists of men and they like to think they're better than women so they claim men are more loyal. If TRP consisted of women, they probably would have said that women are more loyal.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 08:00 PM
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I said that having power doesn't matter to the method of thinking the groups use. That was my argument. And that's true. Both can have the same flawed methods of thinking, but one group can have more power and their flawed thinking methods can have different consequences. Doesn't mean that the other group is right.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 07:56 PM
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While I admit that was a mistake and not what should have happened, two things: The feminist who reported this and made a scene out of it also got fired for that This is an article from 2013. Pretty old and one example can just be an overreaction and a mistake from the people involved. Not indicative of any trend whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 07:54 PM
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So where is that guy exactly? Or does he only exist in the TRP narrative?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 07:50 PM
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Wow, you came up with Stalin, I didn't. As far as I'm aware, SJW's may be morons and they may be protesting, but they're not killing or physically hurting men
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 07:50 PM
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The Angry Left is far angrier and more willing to punch below the belt than the Angry Right. How so? How does the angry left punch below the belt in ways that the angry right doesn't?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 07:13 PM
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Depends. A while ago there was a guy who said some racist things on facebook (multiple times) and his facebook was linked to his workplace. His boss decided to fire him, and here on reddit there was an outcry about free speech. But his boss simply decided that people who say things that are so far from company values are not people he wants to employ and I think that is his right.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 07:11 PM
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Ha, I admit the title could have been better. Still, methods just refers to their way of thinking, presenting arguments and interpreting arguments. I hope I've made it clear enough in the post itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 06:59 PM
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People who complain about political correctness are usually primarily concerned with freedom of speech But they often confuse freedom of speech with "no consequences for speech", which is another fault in their thinking. You getting fired, disliked or mocked if you say stuff is not a violation of freedom of speech. The other people are just exercising their freedom to react to your speech.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 06:58 PM
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They aren't [demonstrating] So how did he demonstrate that their methods of thinking are different? Because these groups hold different amounts of power? Because they believe different stuff? That isn't disproving that their methods of thinking are the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 06:49 PM
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No I'm not. I'm saying that both the RP (or alt-right) and SJW's are having the same lines of thinking and the same flaws in it, and that they accuse each other of having those flaws while not seeing they do exactly the same. You can argue that, because that's what I'm saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 06:27 PM
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Somewhere between 2 and 9 probably
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 06:23 PM
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They aren't, because they don't have that power. If they had, they would probably do it. It still doesn't matter to my argument. Are you even listening to what I'm saying?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 06:23 PM
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Its an enormous fundamental difference you are just handwaving away. Also the alt right has exactly zero power, doesnt protest, there are no alt right people in power in the universities, Hollywood or goverment Doesn't matter. I argue that their methods of thinking are the same and that the flaws in their methods are the same and that their biases are the same. That's the argument. What you are basically saying is sjws and alt right are all humans and operate like human groups Sort of, except th…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 06:19 PM
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Like exactly what I said. The believe different things, but they think in the same way. Same biases, same errors in reading arguments etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 06:14 PM
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It's (4.32334/2x*0.5y )/(X-Y)+1, where X is your number of alpha points and Y is the number of friends you have. But seriously, you cannot really quantify SMV is such an absolute way as OP is asking
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 06:12 PM
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That's not in a relationship though and not really relevant to this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 05:32 PM
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say things like "guys are such assholes." Difference between saying it once and saying it over and over again and making the impression you truly believe it. The first is shitty but acceptable imo, and the second is just shitty or worse. But nobody gives a shit, because it's OK for girls to express those types of emotions. A man who does the same thing will get a feminazi brigade down his throat (as evidenced by the existence of the TBP sub). Oh come on, you know the opposite of TRP, namely tumb…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 05:11 PM
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I mean I don't really agree with the PC crowd either. You're basically spot on. The alt-right does EXACTLY the same things as the PC crowd and these two groups don't realize they do the same thing they accuse the other of doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 04:56 PM
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I combed my hair just now and yesterday, I tried to dress myself well. I bask in RP truths.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 04:45 PM
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So why exactly does TRP think if she says "You're only using me for sex" smirking/making a joke is the right response?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 03:58 PM
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There's a difference? What is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 03:02 PM
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Meh, sounds like you spent too much time on tumblr and listening to rage/clickbait extremists. Most feminists don't hate white men at all, but they do recognize that if you're white and a man you're having an advantage in some areas. And that's not wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 01:23 PM
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The way I see it there's two sides to RP shit tests: There's the unreasonable kind, where she demands every ounce of your attention everytime and will make unreasonable requests. In this case I'm like why are you even dating this girl? Then there's the kind "Hey I don't feel like you really value me besides sex" to which they will smirk/ignore/make a joke whatever. This may work if your partner is insecure, but people who aren't will gtfo if that happens a few times. So, with your RP tactics you…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 01:06 PM
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that is so concerned with not offending certain groups of people that it will blatantly lie about things and/or censor opposing discourse to achieve this goal. Ironically, the opposing movement (at least on /r/TheDonald , where they claim to be anti-PC) does exactly the same. Their post titles are sometimes complete lies, or words twisted so out of context that the entire original meaning is gone. Other times they'll invent or ignore facts to further their agenda (for example, in Sweden rape has…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 10:08 AM
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TRP exaggerates to make a point. Shocking. No one's ever done that before. While even if you dumb down most of the statements because TRP exaggerates, they're still often wildly inaccurate, another counterargument is that TRP is likely to attract men who take stuff literally. Look no further than this sub. There's a number of guys who say "Society told me to just be nice and it didn't work!" They took that literally, so they'll probably gonna take TRP literally. And the type of guys that doesn't…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 10:04 AM
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Feminists claim they want men to be more emotional, but then when they actually do, they accuse them of misogyny, ridicule them, and try to get them fired from their jobs. Well, when they say "more emotional" I don't suppose they mean "show how much you don't respect/dislike/hate women" or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 09:59 AM
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TRP tactics, not basic stuff that almost everyone knows but TRP pretends only they know
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 09:56 AM
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It's working out fine for me thank you
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 09:19 AM
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The girls TRP wants most for relationships aren't attracted to TRP tactics
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 11:52 PM
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The bad stuff, the stuff that makes her see him as a man that she can't push around. And what's that? Ignoring her when she needs you? Or flirting with other girls? Or going away when stuff doesn't go her way? Or refusing to any chores for her? Because that's how I often see TRP'ers do it. Maybe I'm wrong, but I look at how many of these guys apply it and this is what I see (and keep in mind that because these guys submit their reports, it'll be in the most positive light possible for them).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 06:55 PM
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To be honest you do have a point. Then again, if the advice on TRP was "if you have a dead bedroom, start exercising, put on muscle, lift some, take care of your hygiene etc" I don't think anyone would have problems with it. It's the bad stuff that comes with it that people have problems with.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 06:40 PM
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Or you talk it out, have a good resolution and have good sex later that evening. Because you know, that is very possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 06:17 PM
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lol okay I'll just dump every girl whenever she gets bitchy ever, totally makes sense Ah I thought you meant treating badly as in "all the time". Still, if she's treating you badly and you go "active dread" (which I assume is flirting with other girls or something?), you're setting a bad standard for the relationship imo, and you're running the risk of making her insecure and drive her to cheating (He flirted with other women again last week, I might as well cheat before he does it). A better so…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 06:16 PM
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But think about the genuinely strong guys you've known. How many of them do badly with women? Most of them do fine. But so do most of the guys that are "fit" instead of "strong". And again, the strong guys that are also assholes attract girls I would not want to attract. The strong guys that are cool and charismatic attract about the same girls that the fit and charismatic guys do. So on balance, lifting would probably help a lot of guys, Yer, lifting isn't a bad thing, I never said that. But I …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 06:13 PM
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I've read it once, and most of the posts are simply marriages beyond saving, and by applying RP the posters just quicken the inevitable. If your wife isn't into sex very much and you are, you're probably just incompatible and if sex is very important to you, you'll have to make a choice: leave or put up with less sex. I've also read some guys who followed TRP advice on deadbedrooms and managed to get some sex, but it seemed mostly because the wife was afraid he was gonna leave otherwise. Is that…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 06:11 PM
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what blue pill dating advice will tell me that if a girl starts treating me badly Blue Pill would say that if a girl is treating you badly, she's not worth your time and you shouldn't even bother. And why would you? Neither is physical aggression Of course not, because you know most people don't like physically aggressive people
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 05:57 PM
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Nah, there's guys who do average in these and have some moderate succes and they could do good in these and have much better succes. My point is that for a guy who's average in everything, raising these things to good will help him way more than muscles.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 05:55 PM
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So why isn't it good advice for men? If I'm in a relationship where I can't talk about problems, I'm out. That just having standards imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 04:29 PM
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A man, why?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 04:20 PM
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I guess you're right that lifting is good for you (although that isn't that new to me), but I think TRP in general (not you, you gave a very solid explanation) vastly overestimates how important it is for your attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 04:20 PM
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But if you are going to try to look as attractive as possible as a man, building muscle is the #1 most important thing after losing excess fat. I'd disagree, based on what I'm seeing around me. Most important thing is losing fat, as you say. But after that? Good hygiene, dressing well, clean shaven (or a well kept beard), a good haircut are in my experience way more important. Why do I think that? The guys that end up with the attractive girls almost always have these attributes (although the gu…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 04:17 PM
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You're exactly right. Basically what I'm saying is there's good stuff on TRP, but that stuff is found in a lot of places without the bad stuff. And if you only do the good stuff, why TRP? Why do you need it then?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 01:52 PM
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Yeah being fit will make you sexually attractive, who knew
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 01:50 PM
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Hold up never said action wasn't needed. However, action can result from communication too.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 01:49 PM
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And "just any sport" doesn't necessarily get you fit. Not if any sport includes chess no. But seriously playing and training any sport where you actually exercise will do the job just as well. Or just seriously doing cardio (while also eating well) will also get fit and desirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 01:34 PM
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And before you say that a great communicator will communicate the incompatibility, let me stop you. That is a completely different trait which is all too rare in humans, self awareness. Disagree. If you are a great communicator, you should be able to communicate whatever is important to you and thus find out if you're incompatible. That's what a great communicator is to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 01:33 PM
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I'm talking about the advice a lot of men got pre-internet So these pre internet men go to the internet, and they pick TRP. Why? The advice they need is in other places that are easier to find than TRP, but also on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 01:31 PM
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Where she is nagging and complaining at you. When she's doing this, his best bet is to simply absent himself for a good long while. If you're in relationship where she nags and you ignore her as a response, you're (in my opinion) not in a good relationship. The solution? Talk about it. If it doesn't work, get out. Where the man is going through a difficult time emotionally. Opening up about his negative feelings is the LAST thing he should be doing. Again, disagree. If I'm in a relationship wher…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 01:30 PM
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So next question, why do you need to get big instead of fit?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 01:27 PM
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Really you continue citing your anecdotal experience for whatever is mainstream. I look on the internet use a mainstream search engine and the advice you claim is mainstream is nowhere to be found
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 01:26 PM
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No but it is now. And TRP is also now. So what's TRP relevance now? If you go on the internet for dating advice I find it hard to believe you'll stumble on TRP before the sites I linked.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 01:12 PM
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I think you hit a very good point. What I find there's a specific lack of empathy in the Foreveralone types of places that goes as such: I perceive that my problems would be solved if I could get laid. Hey, you can get laid women! Why dare you still complain about your problems priviliged women! They just fail to see that the problems of other people may not be solved by doing what they want to do, and measure how much problems a person has only by their own metrics. It shows a fundamental lack …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 12:50 PM
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Why if lifting better than playing a sport exactly? Both get you fit and shows persistence, which in itself is an attractive trait (provided you don't half ass your exercises, but that goes for lifting too)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 12:44 PM
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Well that's the point. If the good parts of TRP aren't TRP at all, they shouldn't be used to legitimize TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 12:43 PM
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I've heard claims that equated physicall fitness with negative character traits or outright called them ugly far more often than the inverse. So please show me where in the mainstream it says that being fit is ugly. Really, because I haven't seen that. What I DO hear is that women think men with bodies like Schwarzenegger aren't that attractive. Did you for example ever read the suggestion that communication is not the golden bullet for every relationship problem? When I see relationship advice,…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 12:43 PM
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And I explained why I think it's important to realize this and I gave arguments and reports of my search. If you agree, why still use TRP? If you don't agree, why?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 12:02 PM
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Or, also realistic Terp guy gets dumped. He completely overanalyzes the situation, but in reality, it turns out that his GF felt they didn't share the same hobbies enough and that they simply didn't have the connection she wanted. The relationship was never gonna work.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 10:00 AM
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Well actually TRP does want something from its members, namely they want their members to pick up on the anti-leftist ideals.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/16 10:01 AM
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When TRP'er says it, it means "practically everyone". When questioned on it, it means "an amount greater than half". It means whatever it needs to mean at that moment for TRP .
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/16 05:38 PM
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The thing is that there are simply way more interesting male roles available than female roles. Out of the 20 highest grossing movies ever, 18 have a male lead. Then there's Frozen and Titanic can be debated. Still there is a lot more opportunity for men to get interesting roles in hollywood
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/16 03:12 PM
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You think gone girl is an "accurate representation of women"? For real?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/16 03:09 PM
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The point is that men are cast as eye candy and/or interesting roles, whereas with women it's almost always partly eye candy. Now I don't mind seeing a beautiful women onscreen, but I can see why people have a problem with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/16 03:02 PM
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But they are not mostly eye candy (at least in recent installments).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/16 07:32 AM
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That's a flawed argument. If the market only produced what most people think people want, we wouldn't have innovation or inventions whatsoever. People want movies. They'll see movies regardless of sjw agenda or not and they'll see movies too if there are women in non-eye candy roles (star wars broke all kind of records)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/16 11:34 PM
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It shows more that women are typecast as the eye candy and such and that most interesting roles that aren't pure eye go to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/16 11:29 PM
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Whereas the Donald is full of pseudo-intellectual conservatives?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/16 09:01 AM
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There's certainly a (large) overlap between racists/sexists and anti pc people. But have you seen /r/shitredditsays ? EVERY joke that targets a stereotype that's not a straight white nontranssexual male is horrible. Not wanting to sleep with a women because she has a dick makes you transphobic. Literally suggesting that maybe thing X isn't entirely due to sexism us horrible. Suggesting that women sometimes do have the benefit makes you horrible. It's these folks and there notion of "PC" that's g…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/16 09:26 PM
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What's to discuss? In the land of the blind, One-eye is king
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/16 09:19 PM
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All things aren't equal. If you are older than 25 and not marrying a drug addict, the chance of failure isn't 50% anymore
/r/MGTOW04/05/16 02:50 PM
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And pretending your marriage has a 50% chance to fail because thats what marriages do is also blatantly false
/r/MGTOW04/05/16 02:30 PM
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That divorce rate is a flat statistic, but you can control many factors that moderate that percentage. If you wait with marriage, it is your first marriage and you and your partner are highly educated, the rate is much much lower. When you enter a marriage, you have a lot of influence on how high the chance for divorce is.
/r/MGTOW04/05/16 02:10 PM
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Parts that work (and also happen to be in pretty much every mainstream advice) Be confident Don't obsess over one girl Be fit (although TRP takes it a bit too far with their extreme focus on lifting) Dress well Look your best In general be the best person you can be That's all sound advice, but it's not RP advice. This advice is everywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/16 11:57 AM
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Well, maybe not "neckbeard losers", but it's undeniable that RP is very appealing to autistic people. It offers certainty in social situations, and handy guides on what to do in different situations. Removing the uncertainty from social situations is exactly what autistic people are looking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/16 10:36 AM
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Toxic masculinity, or at least a big part if it, is when guys are shamed due to not conforming to certain manly standards. Crying, doing therapy and things like that are still shamed and I would say that's a result of toxic masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 10:15 PM
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Good point. If close family is available, that's fine with me
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 06:19 PM
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The best interests of the child can be met with third party care. My mother works with troubled youths and they will avoid placing children in third party care whenever possible for two reasons There is already a shortage of money and places in third party care Unless the parent are actively abusive, third party care is NOT better for the development of the child, especially young children In my opinion, giving a child the best care and development opportunities is more important than jailing a …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 06:18 PM
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His dad is not his biological dad remember. Do you think his real dad will even want him? Is having the biological dad footing the bill not exactly the same as punishing men for children they never wanted?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 06:01 PM
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If the child support fraud is the only thing wrong, I certainly believe the child can get better care from that parent than hopping between foster homes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 05:53 PM
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Exactly. But what are you gonna garnish if she makes minimum wage? The food for her and her child. I agree there should be punishment, but I also think we should put the interest of the child first
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 05:44 PM
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The part that gets them sex isn't the problem (usually). Self improvement is good (although you can find that advice anywhere). It's the hate and irrational "men are better and this anecdote proves it" type of posts
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 04:17 PM
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Taking their kids away from them can be better for society. But I think taking kids away from a single parent where there are no other problems but a minor crime is worse for the kids than it is good for society/the victim (the man). But why not do civil service? There must alternative punishments that allow the parent to take care of the child while being punished?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 03:46 PM
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That in a situation where the harms for society is greater than the need for individual justice we should re-evaluate. That doesn't mean robbing banks goes without consequence. That doesn't even mean lying about paternity should go without consequence. It does mean that with less severe crimes (and robbing a bank is a pretty severe crime in my book) we could look at alternative punishment or postpone punishment until the child is self sufficient. Either that OR the state takes care of the child.…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 03:01 PM
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You've proved the point. If you think mainstream advice means literally what you're saying it means, you're taking things way too literal. Mainstream advice says "don't change yourself", not "don't improve yourself".
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 02:58 PM
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Uhm certainly individuals in the manosphere subs have said that yes. Not you maybe but you know these guys exist
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 02:56 PM
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No that's not what I said at all. If you're gonna pretend I said things that I didn't there's no point in discussing
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 02:31 PM
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They will but better they follow mainstream advice instead of RP then
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 01:56 PM
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The fundamental problem for me is that RP'ers here complain "mainstream advice is not meant to be taken literal but some men don't know that so for them there's TRP" and say "TRP is not literal you should know that" in the same breath
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 01:42 PM
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Well it's certainly not far from that in places of the manosphere. I don't think the percentage of retards is higher in feminism than in the manosphere/TRP
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 01:38 PM
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Allright I'll give you Christianity. Some good stuff there: take care of the poor, love thy neighbor etc. But it comes with bad stuff like homophobia and the like. That better?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 01:37 PM
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So why can we judge feminism on their retards, but not TRP?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 01:24 PM
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I simply use the most extreme example available to make sure everyone here can get my meaning. Do you want some other examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 01:22 PM
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That isn't good for society and I'm not a proponent of that either
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 01:21 PM
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But on the other side RPers will tell you "it's a heuristic don't take it literal". But the very folk that RP attracts does take it literal
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 01:20 PM
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very important if you want a "false" rape accusation yes
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 12:03 PM
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The fact that RP is working shouldn't indicate the nature of how bad it is, And it doesn't. The fact that it's working proves that it has some good parts. Like the parts that you describe in your post. However, these things aren't really RP. They're common sense for 90% of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 12:03 PM
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There are a lot of other situations where sending a single mom to jail would also "not be a good idea", Well, maybe we should re-evaluate those situations too then
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 12:02 PM
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Meh, I do think it's a good reason. Let her go because she's a mother? At least where I live, all those circumstances would be considered in applying her punishment and it would at any rate be much lower than what a the murderer of her children would have got. I propose that instead of a lower punishment, we go for a delayed punishment. Besides, who says paternity frauds aren't an ongoing threat to society? I see the risk they pose for society as lower than the risk for societal loss if you take…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 11:58 AM
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Thing is that most people who are drawn to the red pill don't have a knack for nuance and reading comprehension. If they had, mainstream advice would have taught them what they needed to know.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 11:55 AM
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If nazism is so horrible, why did Germany get a major boost in their economy when the Nazi party got to power? Oh right, it's because there are also good principles in toxic ideologies. Thing is, you can find those good principles elsewhere, without the bad stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 11:54 AM
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Please react to the rest of my comment first, because I provided context. Because if she doesn't have any money, what can you possibly do expect letting it slide? I explained why I think that jail and stuff is better to wait with, and also that if she has excess money, paying it back is all good. But you cannot extract money from someone who doesn't have it. Normally, you'd go to jail then, but I explained why I think that's not always a good idea. Can you react to that?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 11:52 AM
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Would you also say "she can never pay that back, so it's better to let it slide"? I didn't say that. I said "she probably can't pay it back". And I think that is the truth. And what are you gonna do if she can't? Where are you going to get the money from? Please, give me one good reason why being a mother should be some all-purpose protection from the law Allright. As long as your crime is not cause to believe you're an ongoing threat to society, I think it is in the best interest of society as …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 11:48 AM
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I did get it. I'm saying that we should consider societies best interest. Perhaps find appopriate punishment and do stuff like jailing after the child turns 18? In this fraud case, it assumes that when you jail the mother, the child is without parents. That comes with a (significant) cost to society. Either society pays by taking care of the child, or society pays by not taking care of the child, which will almost certainly set the child on a criminal path. I'm all for justice, but I believe we …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 11:34 AM
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RIP everyone on TRP
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 10:25 AM
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Marriage fixed. Fixed in the sense that nobody ever does it again yes. Well, whatever works I guess
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 10:17 AM
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Make it illegal (as long as it is intentional) is a good idea, but how do you go about it in practise? Make her pay back child support over X number of years? I don't think the average single mom that gets child support can afford that, not in a million years. Sent her to prison? Who's gonna take care of the child? The state? Making it illegal and making the woman pay it all back is good from the perspective of justice. But is it feasible? What's the impact on society? These are important questi…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 10:16 AM
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What about the kids being born to drug addicts? To (female) hobos? In the third world? Well, there is a difference. In your examples, the parents literally CANNOT take care of the child adequately (or don't have the resources to do so). In the example of paternity fraud there is a good possibility that the mother IS actually capable of caring for the child. If you lock up the mother that may be justice, but is it good for society? What's gonna happen with the child? These are questions you need …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 10:13 AM
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Here's the thing. I have no problem with removing the bs packaging from it (although, most people know a packaging when they see it and they know going to the gym helps). It's the amount of irrational hate and vitriol that's found on TRP. If only there was a TRP that's solely focused on being more confident and improving yourself and none of the "oldest teenager in the house" and "women are inherently less [positive quality X] and more [Negative quality X]". And as a side note, the people I've k…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 10:01 AM
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Yes, but if you meet the minimum standard, having traits like being dependable can raise your sexual attractiveness. But yes, you need a minimum standard to be allowed to play. Once you have it, working on other things (humor charisma etc) becomes way more effective in my experience. And that minimum standard is not that high.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 11:53 PM
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Therefore, a woman's sexual interests, take a prominent role in the dating/relationship market. Of course. Don't man's sexual interests take a prominent role too? A man that is valued for his commitment specifically is not valued much at all for his sexual attractiveness. But you can be valued for both you know. Besides, you may believe that or not, but most women would rather commit to a guy they find sexually attractive. In my experience, being in a committed relationship (aside from all it's …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 11:17 PM
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I meant dependable, hehe. It's late and english isn't the first language
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 11:06 PM
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Uhm being dependent and a "rock" is literally the opposite of clingy bro EDIT: meant dependable, sorry!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 11:05 PM
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That's not what OP said though, and also not what I believe. Strategies that pursue commitment do not increase sexual attractiveness. Depends, there's certainly an overlap going on here. For instance, being seen as a dependable rock may increase both desire for commitment and sex with the ladies.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 10:58 PM
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Well, looks to me that the guys who want dating advice the most (the FA types on reddit in any case) are fine with commitment and would rather have a stable relationship over a one night stand. Explain to me why commitment is not a good strategy for men by the way? In a relationship, you get way more sex than outside of one I presume.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 09:52 PM
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Well a girl is this case since I'm a man, but no I would not cheat a hot girl that's not my girlfriend. I value loyalty.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 09:34 PM
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Are relationships worth anything? To me they are. A stable relationship is worth way more than a quick fuck with a stranger
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 09:22 PM
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A prostitute also wants you for a reason: your money.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 09:13 PM
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Ah that's two out of two wrong. No matter, we can't all be right buddy
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 09:12 PM
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They do indeed. And really the good stuff on TRP is quite mainstream, no matter how much TRP likes to say it's not
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 05:47 PM
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I think it's more a complete inability to read social cues and/or crippling anxiety for most FA guys. I remember a particular thread on reddit of this guy on FA. A girl talked to him and said "come find me and talk to me again sometime". Afterwards, he went on a dating website and saw her profile, confirming she was single. So what did OP do? Talk to her again? Yes, but HE MESSAGED ON THE GODDAMN DATING SITE INSTEAD OF TALKING TO HER IRL. He was so anxious and unsure of himself that he blew it w…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 01:34 PM
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I don't I'm a man. The way we work if there's vagina we can get off. Doesn't work that way for women. A man who doesn't know what he's doing/only focuses on himself isn't gonna get most women off.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 10:51 AM
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And there's the problem. The kind of people that take advice too literal and thus come to TRP are likely to take that literal too.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 10:46 AM
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So what is the non rp bullshit? That being fit and confident helps? That's not really rp
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 08:22 AM
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And so do you
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 08:20 AM
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Yes but they then use that fact to complain women must have it easier, because they can do what TRP actually wants to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 06:14 AM
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Say some women really wanted to suck every finger on your right hand. You'd have no problem getting your right hand sucked off if you'd really want to. But besides that, women want nothing to do with you. That make you feel very wanted? Probably not because every guy has a right hand. Women don't want you, they want your right hand and yours happened to be the easiest tonight. Would that make you feel very wanted?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 06:12 AM
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You don't have to be interested in what they have to say. But I do expect you to be smart enough to see that TRP is not the universal truth
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 06:09 AM
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Just persons like most men. They're not more or less responsible than men, don't make more or less rash decisions based on emotion and don't cheat more. You know, just normal
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 06:07 AM
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No I'm not shaming. I even said you were right. I also said why I think getting some sex doesn't mean you're suddenly less unwanted than FA types
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 02:56 AM
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Yes they can get easier sex. It's probably not as good for them as it is for a men to take any sex they can get (takes a lot more to get a woman off). That what you want to hear? Because the real issue of many foreveralone types is feeling unwanted, and a guy wanting you only because your vagina feels better than his hand, how does that make you feel wanted again?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 02:36 AM
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I know what the RP lens is and I've tried it. For some things it's right. Exercise and confidence help. But I found that on many other places on the internet before TRP. But the behaviours and patterns TRP describe? It took some serious ignoring of many non-TRP situations to even start to see something that's sort of a trend. And that's not how it works. Some girls are exactly how TRP describes them. Most aren't. It's just confirmation bias, the RP lens magnifies examples of RP and looks over th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 02:31 AM
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How many has the average 20 year old trp'er? Besides there's many people way more experienced then me on reddit who think exactly the same. Are they all outliers too? Look RP has it's little truths. But it's seriously flawed because of how confirmation bias and a self selecting community work. That's where the massive errors come in.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 02:16 AM
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Maybe. Still there's much other stuff on TRP that just goes completely against what I see in the world and in my relationship that it's very hard to take it seriously
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 09:01 PM
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You didn't pick up on my sarcasm three comments ago?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 08:48 PM
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Oh really? What a great counterpoint.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 08:47 PM
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Which is also literally what I said
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 08:40 PM
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Literally google. Just type whatever you want to know
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 08:39 PM
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Not too many big decisions as of yet (we don't live together, but mostly we spend the nights at her place or mine), but she helps me keeping my finances organized and I help her if she needs to write or present some stuff for example. We each have our own money still, but we do have a shared bank account for stuff that needs it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 08:39 PM
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What's that got to do with it? I was talking about RP worldview and stuff. I'm not denying that some advice on TRP is very good for guys that don't get it. But you can get that elsewhere too.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 08:36 PM
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That is also exactly what I said
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 08:34 PM
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Would you say they are not a relatively small group then?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 08:34 PM
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Hm, when I look at my highschool year, there were like 40 guys and 2 of them had never had a gf or sex by age 20. That's just my experience but I don't think there are that much male virgins
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 08:33 PM
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Well it's a feeling I guess. Sometimes she decides stuff and sometimes I do. Whenever it comes to money and numbers she's way better than me so she does that. Other things are more my thing. She helps me out with my finances I help her out with other things. Feels equal enough to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 08:14 PM
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Yes that's totally what I said
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 08:03 PM
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Yes I do, but if it's just about sex drive, why is a guy going to prostitute "not a fair answer"?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 07:54 PM
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Not liking carrots would be equal to not liking sex. Not really. A man can sleep with any women and just hammer away and it'll feel good for him and he'll most likely get off. A woman not so much. So if she sleeps with guys who just use her for sex, what is she getting out of it? Are you against the idea of casual sex altogether? Of course not. I'm trying to explain to you why having sex with someone who just wants to hammer your vagina because it feels slightly better than masturbating is not v…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 07:50 PM
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But you comparing a womans ability to get sex vs a mans is like comparing apples to oranges. It's like telling a person who doesn't like carrots "You live on a carrot farm, you have all the carrots in the world! Why aren't you happy!". Having a one night stand with a guy who only wants you as a living fleshlight, how is that any better than sleeping with a girl who just wants you money?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 07:41 PM
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What would qualify as TRP under the hood? In my relationship, I like to tease my girlfriend and I'm not doing stuff for her all the time. And I exercise to keep fit. Is that very TRP under the hood? Because for decisions, we both have an equal say in it and there's really no "dread game" as RP would describe it. Nor do I or she do that where you ignore "shit tests" or whatever. So what is "very TRP under the hood"?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 07:39 PM
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I don't think there's that many of them, it's just that because of the internet, they can all come together in one place. And for all the guys that can get some sex, pretty much the largest difference between 10 and 100 is lower standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 07:37 PM
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If 100 women want to fuck you, you're doing something right. If you go out thrice a week, ask 10 women a night and take anything you can get, having sex 100 times really isn't that impressive. All you need is the balls to talk to the women and low enough standards. I wouldn't call that doing something right.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 07:33 PM
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My main problem with TRP is that they blatantly ignore the massive amounts of people who literally say "I have had sex a fair number of times and I am in a happy relationship and my experiences are nothing like TRP". Somehow TRP anecdotes are proof of the "real world" while all those other people (a larger group than TRP by the way) are all outliers. Sure there are people that confirm to TRP worldview. But there's also a very large number of people that don't. And that's what TRP does not unders…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 07:31 PM
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So? Both of the times you're sleeping with a person who only wants you for sex. Can you imagine how that doesn't solve loneliness?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 07:19 PM
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Any man can pay a prostitute to sleep with. That doesn't count you say? They must feel wanted? Well do you think women who men want nothing to do with expect to have a one night stand (so basically making them a breathing fleshlight) feel wanted? I don't think so. Either gender can be lonely, which is the true problem of many Forveralone guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 07:03 PM
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You've never been a part of the hiring process, have you? I have in fact and I can tell you that from what I've learned there I believe resumes and application letters should be judged on what is on them. So bad writing? Shows low professionalism, throw it out. But you happen to know that that person sleeps around? Keep that to yourself. You want to know why it's bad? Because you are not judging people on their merits anymore, we are judging people on what we think their merits are. Suppose you'…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/16 08:30 PM
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You exclude potentially shitty candidates that are shitty for a good reason. You personal beliefs about them are not a good reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/16 08:16 PM
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Just about every slut I've ever known has some sort of mental disorder And the partying women who sleep around that I know generally do fine. So it's your experience vs mine. Let's agree that either both are valid or none are. Either way, your argument that all women who sleep around are poorly diciplined doesn't hold.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/16 07:41 PM
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women who frequently partake in casual sex tend to have poor discipline and impulse control, an inability to delay gratification, a tendency to buck social norms, That's your hamster speaking. Some women who sleep around are like this, but, just like men who sleep around, a lot are actually responsible enough to keep their partying to friday nights! Sounds incredible huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/16 07:33 PM
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I expect a good and professional boss to be able to reserve personal judgment and be able to judge people on their abilities and fit in the team if they are hiring. Doesn't mean you have to hire drug addicts, but if you don't hire someone because they support another sports team, or slept around, you're a pretty shitty boss (that's not acting in the best interest of the company either).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/16 07:21 PM
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Not being friends with somebody I judge poorly, and advising others to do the same and the reasons behind my judgment is essentially "shaming" that person. It's not really. As soon as you act on your judgement you're shaming. Now telling your friends is really not that bad and I don't think that's harmful or bad shaming, but disliking someone for whatever reason (a reason that's not directly tied to job performance obviously) and using your influence to not get that person hired is pretty pathet…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/16 07:12 PM
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Everybody judges. Not everybody shames. You can judge without shaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/16 06:59 PM
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I mean you have the right to shame and judge people. Doesn't mean you aren't a pathetic person for doing so. SJW's have the right to throw a hissyfit over anything. Doesn't mean they aren't pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/16 06:51 PM
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Who benefits the most from a marriage? The partner with the lowest income. If you make significantly more than your partner, getting married may not be a good idea for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/16 06:23 PM
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Dread is only one example. But it's an example that directly works against the goal of getting a loyal woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/16 02:05 PM
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I'm a man and I've never had much problem getting attention from women and I don't do all that macho TRP stuff. That's why I have problems believing TRP. It's not like every women on the street turns around to look at me, but it's also not like none of them like me.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/16 01:37 AM
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2.Discussing techniques such as "dread game" to keep a woman as loyal as possible. Let's take this as an example. I believe that women who value loyalty in themselves (ie are inherently loyal) also value it in a partner. And employing Dread Game is quite the opposite of appearing loyal, so women who are truly loyal will stay away from you. What do you get instead? Someone who's only loyal because she's afraid of the consequences. If someone better comes along, she's gone, because she better be g…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/16 12:56 AM
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No. You took one sentence from my comment. You can see the entire comments in the post, and there are multiple examples of them too.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 09:13 PM
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Yes I know TRP'ers have a warped view. Luckily, they're a small group and they're mostly on the internet instead of having sex. Why worry so much about them?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 09:01 PM
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When I try to do my own things by my own research and strategies, I come out on top. So just keep doing that? Nobody's forcing you to date a TRP'er
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 08:59 PM
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But marriage isn't always a poor choice, so a high value man can get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 08:56 PM
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You're making false comparisons. Marriage is not as bad as you believe it is. Period. Maybe if you're a rich man marrying a poor meth addict. But then it's your fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 08:45 PM
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Yes, and why would that be bad? In the context of the individual comments, it's clear enough what they're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 08:41 PM
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6/10 did not mention AWALT or frame
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 08:35 PM
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TRP creates the problems that they complain about. The women TRP wants most for LTR's are mostly not attracted to TRP --> "Feminism ruined women!". TRP says you should never marry a woman who makes more than you --> "Women always get more alimony!" You get the idea. TRP makes their own problems, then blames it on women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 08:33 PM
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Back up a minute. When did I say "without regard for consequence"? You expect us to just believe you when you say "marriage is a bad choice for men whatsoever"?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 07:59 PM
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Can be. If that's what makes him happy and it has no influence on his functioning I don't see why it's impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 07:54 PM
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I meant the other way around obviously
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 07:38 PM
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Depends. A bit of weed sometimes? Yes. Harddrugs? No. But of course, marriage isn't bad for you like harddrugs are, no matter how much you would like to believe that. If you find a partner who makes about the same, what do you have to lose?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 07:06 PM
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Yes and for many men, happiness is having a committed partner. And in our culture marriage still holds a lot of symbolic value for commitment. So yes there men who would happily marry. And they can be high or low value (and that's not even looking at the fact that the value of a man is highly subjective)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 06:58 PM
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Bullshit. A high value man does whatever makes him happy. And for some, that's marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 06:53 PM
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Well for one if she says "just be nice" and walks away, she's not interested in giving you advice. If she says "Well me and my girlfriends always think that men with humor are very attractive" you might wanna listen and ask for more specific stuff. And then she might say "I love it when men are able to genuiely laugh at themselves if they do something stupid and make a joke with it". That's not bad advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 06:40 PM
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Then you're talking to the wrong women or you're asking the wrong things bud
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 04:55 PM
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I totally agree that man can give great dating advice. You're probably better off with a succesful man for advice than with a women, PROVIDED, that man is like you. If you're a slim funny guy, the ripped macho cannot offer you much good advice because your styles differ so much. However, you shouldn't discount the experiences of women. It's entirely possible that a lot of succesful men do stuff that is attractive uncinsciously, and they won't tell you that because they don't know they do it. Get…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 03:43 PM
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What you'te missing is that Brady might have different strengths than you and different areas of expertise. The best way to train/play for Brady might not not be the best way for you. Just like in the dating world people have different strengths and relying on just one man or one woman for advice is a stupid move.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 03:34 PM
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That's a lot better. Still you should get both of their advices, they may each know something useful that the other doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 03:23 PM
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I don't agree with the article but let them say whatever. You assume that the reverse would get banned? Or just that it would draw critique? Because this one draws critique too.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 08:54 AM
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Male bashing But so is female "bashing". Like "ugh women tssk". People here aren't very sensisitive to word in my experience
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 08:38 AM
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Both are important. I also conveniently gave you an example of both happening right now. Can you read?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 07:55 AM
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They don't (mostly) directly kill people. But they hurt people. I would consider a family that turns their back on their son because he's gay as hurt too. And why do they do that? Perhaps because the local priest implored them to do so. But you want more extreme examples? How about the ISIS branch of muslims? I'm sure many of the ISIS Imams have never physically hurt anyone. But their words attract new recruits and encourage people to commit extreme atrocities.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 07:39 AM
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Allright, how about some of the hardcore Christians? A lot of these guys (priests? Bishops?) preach stuff and claim stuff that other people use to hurt people. The words didn't hurt. The blind belief did, And it's entirely impossible that words create beliefs? GASP.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 07:32 AM
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Did you even fucking read what I said. I just gave the most extreme example I could think of so that you'd have no trouble understanding the concept. You literally asked "How can words cause damage". There you have it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 07:27 AM
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The context of the rest of my comment is important yeah. That's why in the post I gave you, you can see the entire comments. Convenient huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 07:05 AM
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Let me give an example. My first gf broke up with me after some time. I didn't like that at the time. Thinking back on it, she liked very much different things than I did (for example, she really liked watching sports on TV while I didn't). Could I have pretended to like these things too and saved the relationship? Maybe. SHOULD I have done that? I don't think I would be very happy with that. That's self reflecting too, and I'm not laying any blame at myself or her. It just didn't turn out to wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 07:04 AM
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My reaction to another comment: When words push people to action. Most extreme example ever? Hitler. He didn't kill much (any?) people himself, in fact it was just his "words". Now of course I'm not comparing TRP to Hitler, I'm just giving the most extreme example I can think of why words can cause harm.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 07:01 AM
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SOOOOOOOOOOO FRIGGIN STUPID to say guns kill people. I didn't say that? I literally said that stupid people with guns kill people and that we cannot only sell guns to smart people. So rather no guns than both stupid and smart people having guns.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 07:00 AM
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When words push people to action. Most extreme example ever? Hitler. He didn't kill much (any?) people himself, in fact it was just his "words". Now of course I'm not comparing TRP to Hitler, I'm just giving the most extreme example I can think of why words can cause harm.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 06:59 AM
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I was quoting TRP as you can see if you had taken a screenshot of the comment. Just like entire comments were actually screenshotted for that post as you can also see.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 10:44 PM
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No, these comments alone say enough. What do you expect the context to be? "I was just kidding lol"? So if I post a thread on /r/baseball filled with the most vile, disgusting ideas you can imagine, and that thread promptly gets downvoted to oblivion, you think it's reasonable to bring that thread up when discussing what /r/baseball is about? If there were more of these threads and comments on the sub and the mods did nothing to ban them, I'd start to scratch my head at the very least.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 10:28 PM
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On the other hand, the USA is a country where people's base and primal needs and urges take center stage over any considerations for the common welfare of the nation as a whole. I thought USA was way more patriotic than Europe?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 10:25 PM
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They should (or could, I'm not saying they definitely should) remove it because they perceive it as harmful to other persons. If companies should only do whatever makes them the most money, it wouldn't be a very nice world.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 10:15 PM
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Link? And why would those posts be relevant if they're downvoted? Because those posts are still here on reddit and discussed. If I was the owner of Reddit I'd rather not have discussion on that on my forum. And there's already a nice collection on TBP, so I don't have to search those posts again: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheBluePill/comments/1pj33b/hey_trp_trolls_before_you_whine_that_we_are_just/
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 10:14 PM
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Or, you stop pretending to be any kind of open or fair. I'm not saying that Reddit is always open and fair. I'm just saying that I agree with the rule and I think it should be applied to anyone. Just because one trespasser got off free doesn't mean every tresspasser should.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 10:12 PM
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Fair enough. But like I said earlier, if we could only get responsible people guns, I would be for it in a heartbeat. But we can't and the victims are more than the lives saved. So we opt against it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 10:05 PM
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Because the admins like SRS. I don't like SRS but the admins do and they keep protecting it. Yes that's hypocritical. But just because they ignore a good rule on one occasion doesn't mean that rule isn't good and shouldn't be applied on other occasions.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 10:04 PM
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I don't feel like you should punish victimless crimes, So is a forum that contains posts that encourage some tactics that edge on rape always victimless?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 10:02 PM
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And I just explained why I think you can easily make a good argument why reddit should remove it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 10:01 PM
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Yeah but I trust in myself and my own abilities. I'd rather have some chance than no chance. I don't think you have more chance with a gun, because your opponent will also have a gun. It's just an escalation of violence on both sides. Who's to say someone with bipolar shouldn't be able to defend themselves if they live in a bad neighborhood where people keep breaking into the house? You should be ideally. But you are right that the government can't discriminate too much, so the solution is not t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 10:00 PM
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I lol at the suggestion that doxxing is a thing only dastardly TRPers would do. Do you even gamergate? Do you even twitter/tumblr slacktivism? What? I know SRS'ers doxx too. When did I suggest only TRP did it? I was just talking about if TRP got banned, that would probably be the reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 09:57 PM
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It's the only way you'll have a chance if severely outnumbered. What? Severely outnumbered? If a group of men is coming to you with the intent to harm you, they'll have guns too, because you know, they're legal and easy to get. I will fully agree with you by the way that if only every responsible person could get a gun it would be great. But we can't do that. And I'm really not comfortable with the idea that unstable guys/girls who start to see red from time to time can reach for their gun inste…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 09:53 PM
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It's the blue pillers who want to limit free speech BY whining to Conde Nast. Whining to what? I've never seen a BP'er anywhere claim that they think discussing TRP stuff should be illegal. I've seen Tumblr type SJW's claim it, but they are delusional and even most of BP would agree with you on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 09:49 PM
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Should martial arts, knives, and guns also be illegal? Guns for sure. In fact they are where I live and 90% of the people here wouldn't have it any different. Knives are a different story because they kill way less easy than a gun and they're also pretty vital for a lot of other stuff. Besides, I never said TRP discussion should be illegal. I said that Reddit has every right not to want it on their site and I agree with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 09:43 PM
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What we also realize is that places like this advertise themselves, whether officially or unofficially, as open platforms, I've never seen Reddit advertise themselves (or suggest so) as a place where anyone can discuss any content no matter how harmful for other people. And even so, I don't think TRP is on any banlist yet, although there are a bunch of TRP'ers who go around doxxing people (I've had some "threats" myself) so if TRP is banned, that would probably be the cause.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 09:41 PM
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For one thing Americans claim feminists ruin everything they touch, as does leftism. We in Europe are significantly more leftist and feminist than the USA, but we mostly don't have all the negative side effects they say they have (false rape accusations, men not respected etc). So I don't know if it's really like that in the USA, but certainly not in Europe. Also, again I don't know how this works in the USA, but generally, especially around college, being an obnoxious macho that's totally rippe…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 09:33 PM
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I think it's not about offending, but about potentially harmful content. You and I may agree or not, but you can argue the point that TRP is harmful to the people that apply it and the people that it's used on. There are certainly questionable posts that edge on encouraging rape for example, upvoted or not. I can certainly see the point of not wanting to give these posts a platform on reddit. Free speech does not mean that Reddit has to allow everything you want to say, and I think that's a good…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 09:28 PM
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Which is to say, if he got cheated on and divorced, its at least partially his fault. I don't like this reasoning. It makes you paranoid of all your future relationships and makes you look for faults in yourself or faults you could have seen in your partner where they may not have been any. This is what creates false red flags and such. Sometimes, everything seems good, and you're not doing anything "wrong" per se, but your partner cheats anyways. It happens, and I think it's counterproductive t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 09:24 PM
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because I know how often "beta behavior" causes failure. And what is this beta behaviour? Is it behaving like a "doormat"? Because you can get the advice not to do that on other places. Is it not being confident? Idem. Or is it being considerate and caring? Because TRP seems to group these traits under undesirable beta traits too sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 09:21 PM
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I don't know for sure. There's probably things he could have done better, or that he could change about himself. But how do you know for sure that after 1 bad breakup, it was his "beta behaviour" that caused it? Don't mistake my words for "never improve yourself". But TRP seems to think that every breakup can be reduced to a math equation where if the breakup happened, there must have a been a clear cause, like too many behaviour X from the man or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 06:34 PM
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Secondly..things like this are happening way too often for them to be individual coincidences, not when men are coming together in droves telling the same stories. That's a lot of confirmation bias. Of course men are coming in droves to TRP. Do you know how many men have acces to the internet vs how many men share stories like you say on the internet? Very very few. Lets take my stepdad for example, he didn't have much trouble getting dates, he sure as hell wasn't a pushover, wasn't afraid to fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 06:32 PM
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but something happened (usually a bad breakup or divorce) that led them to seek out answers And why can't the answer be "you had bad luck and picked a person that turned out the be shitty, but you didn't do much wrong"? Why does TRP somehow know that the beta behaviour (not doormat behaviour according to you) caused the failure? Because they want to believe that?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 06:03 PM
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He's saying he represents women's advice for men in a broad and general way. Which still would be the wrong way to look at it. The correct comparison would be to ask Brady and one opponent of Brady who played against him. Both hold information that can be useful. Brady might have genetically very good leg muscles, so his advice for being a good player might be focused on running. If your strenth is in a different part of your body, that might not be useful advice for you. In that case, the advic…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 06:01 PM
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what many guys over at TRP want is to NOT BE A BETA. Guess what. You can learn not to be a socially awkward doormat at many places that are not TRP (literally a google search away). The best part? These places come without the steaming pile of pseudoscience, hate and overgeneralizations that is TRP!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 05:50 PM
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Only if you're trying to play against/date THAT SPECIFIC PERSON. That's why, if you read my original comment on this topic, I advice asking both. On one hand, the man might have a combination of factors that make him attractive and he might not exactly know what it is. You'd ask women for that. On the other hand, one specific woman does not talk for every woman. However, OP's example is a false comparison, because the media guy is literally in no way the equivalent of the woman here, because he,…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 05:38 PM
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But asking advice from someone who often has the game played against her IS a good idea. You're acting like women are somehow not a part of the dating game.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 05:33 PM
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Don't talk down to me. The media guy has literally zero influence on how good a player you are. But how good you are in offense has everything to do with how you handle the opponents defense. And you could ask the defense player what makes a good offensive player and he'd give you a good indication.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 04:59 PM
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So Bayless has nothing to do with how good a player Brady is. But a woman has a lot to do with how good a man can get her
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 04:15 PM
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No but really, the relationship between Brady and the media guy is nothing like the relationship between a man and a woman. For your analogy to work, the player should want to have the most media attention possible. In that case, it does make sense to ask the media guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 03:20 PM
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First off, your analogy doesn't make a lick of sense. I'm really trying to rack my brain why the media-outsider is suddenly the woman. Why is the opponent not the women? Or anyone else? For a better analogy, would you rather ask the buyer or the seller? I think the answer is "sometimes one, sometimes the other". Companies bring stuff on the market all the time that buyers don't really want, they misread buyers intentions and the product fails. Happens a lot. On the other hand, Apple is famous fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 12:56 PM
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Here's the thing. If you claim "All X are Y" or "99% of the time X does Y", you're not very believable if you don't provide some statistical evidence. If you claim "not all X are Y because I know a lot of X that are Z" you don't need statistical proof because you're not trying to claim that (almost) all X are Z, you're only disproving that all X are Y.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 12:48 PM
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Less people were reproducing mostly because a lot of people died before they could reproduce, or because they did reproduce but their children died.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/16 06:12 PM
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On the side that's unhappy. Simple as that. I didn't say there's no unhappy marriages
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/16 03:43 PM
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Marriage = happines divorce = unhappines In general it's true. Of course the aim of at least one person in the divorce in to become happier because of the divorce so you have a point there. Still I believe married people are generally happier. But it might also be that people in a stable relationship are happier and most just happen to be married. So marriage is not the cause but the effect of happiness
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/16 03:18 PM
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Yes but is marriage still the most stable model if people only marry to support a family? Are we looking at the right cause and effect?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/16 03:15 PM
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Yeah, I think the real challenge is creating better education/less poverty in the USA. I think these things will help prevent a lot of unwanted children/divorce drama
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/16 03:12 PM
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Meh, last I read, both men and women are significantly worse off financially after a divorce
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/16 03:08 PM
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And that's fine. I'm not saying anyone has to marry. I'm simply commenting on the misconception that average divorce rate equals the chance that your marriage will fail. You can influence the factors that moderate divorce chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/16 03:07 PM
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I mean I don't disagree with that. My point is simply that because the divorce rate is [high] that your marriage has an equally high chance to fail. You can work on a lot of the moderating effects, even if you're not college educated
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/16 03:03 PM
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Allright replace 70% with 50%. My argument stands
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/16 03:01 PM
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I think that the women who call for the end of toxic masculinity are generally not the same women who are attracted to violent men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/16 02:54 PM
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I was just giving an example. Point is that even if you aren't college educated, you have a lot of influence in deciding who and when you'll marry. The 70% is often regarded as absolute fact here aka "if i marry there's a 70% chance it'll fail". You can lower that number massively by simply being somewhat smart about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/16 02:52 PM
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Excellent well argued point
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/16 02:41 PM
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One of the things I never like about "why get married divorce rate is 70%" is that if you're a college educated personwho's marrying at age 30, the divorce rate is nowhere near that. It's a lot of the people that impulsively marry very young that fail and you can keep yourself out of that group very easily. It's a fundamental misunderstanding of statistics that because the average marriage fails 70% of the time, that number will apply to your marriage. Of course you'll have no guarantees. But I'…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/16 02:31 PM
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For all the things I dislike about TRP at least they know everyone can improve themselves. That's what I hate about all these "incel communities": "Have you tried self improvement?" "YOU DON'T KNOW ME IT WOULD NEVER WORK" or "YES FOR A MONTH AND I DIDN'T GET LAID SO IT DOESN'T WORK!!!". Their mindset of "we're doomed whatever we do" is the easy way out, because that way they have to take zero responsibility for their situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/16 06:09 PM
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No it's not pathetic. BP warns against it because most loners crave intimacy and paid sex doesn't do the trick for most of them
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/16 08:30 AM
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matters to this specific woman FTFY
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/16 08:23 AM
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Those in a relationship might. Single guys? Maybe 5% of them. Getting laid twice a week means: Spending time looking for opportunities at least 2 times a week, probably more Having either godly social skills or pretty low standards to succeed twice every week
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/16 07:36 AM
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Along with /r/thedonald , where they have at least 20 shitposts a day mocking SJW's and their echochambers, while they are the biggest echochamber of all.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/16 09:05 PM
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Why should I This is a debate sub. You made a claim, it's up to you to support that
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/16 04:54 PM
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How about you show me some of this "RP science" then And it's not so much that TRP is mostly lying, but their worldview is heavily influenced by confirmation bias. Want to see people like TRP? Go see the SJW's on tumblr. They use the same way if thinking
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/16 04:38 PM
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It worked because a lot of what trp advocates is attractive in general, A lot is indeed. Being fit, dressing well and actually having the nerve to talk to girls will no doubt increase your succes by 10000% if you didn't do these things first. But there's more to TRP. Take this recent comment for example: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/4fobqh/boyfriend_of_feminist_bangs_her_like_chad_wants/d2aj6qk While there's a bit of truth in there (good sex helps in making a good relationship) t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/16 04:14 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/43fe39/are_all_women_really_like_that_based_on_science/ AWALT disproved aka you attract what you are. And another one: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/43fg5s/does_your_girlfriend_really_wants_to_cheat_on_you/
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/16 03:12 PM
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Then break it out, i've yet to see bp do so in most cases. Okay. What do you want to know?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/16 02:44 PM
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the whole concept of the unicorn(whcih means different things to different people) is that everyone's human and a person with all the traits of a uniocrn is rare - like a unicorn. If this was how TRP used it I'd have no problem with it. Instead, they use it as an "that women you're in a happy relationship with? She's a cheating whore, you best start cheating before she does". in many cases there is the science to back it up And there is an equal amount of science and research that disproves TRP …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/16 02:31 PM
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...So no proof? Well what else do you expect me to give? If my observations don't count as proof, we can throw all TRP theory out of the window too, since it's all based on observations. True, but at the same time it's undoubtedly an outlier if true. Why? Why aren't TRP the outliers? Because you believe TRP and don't believe me? people that tick all the boxes are rare. Perfect people don't exist. Good people do.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/16 02:01 PM
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I'm sorry, what are your trying to say? I don't think I'm entirely following. Sure there are women who will invest in a relationship if you don't. The point of this OP is that the women you (or I in any case) want, the women that TRP says don't exist, will not commit if you don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/16 01:56 PM
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They're only unicorns because TRP calls them that. My proof is that I see the type of women TRP says don't exist all around me. It's an observation, no different from TRP observations.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/16 01:42 PM
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The one I described. Hoping for one isn't a waste of time because there are more than enough. It's just that hoping for one while using TRP is a waste of time
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/16 01:21 PM
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And I've seen enough women that TRP would say don't exist to know that somehow TRP is missing something
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/16 01:15 PM
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Not necessarily damaged, but TRP attracts women like themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/16 01:08 PM
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Hey, this sounds interesting, maybe you could write a longer post on it and post it here.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/16 04:40 PM
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And I've also put out my point without the word. Even if I got the definition of unicorn wrong I hope you can understand the point as I specifically worded it for you a few comments upwards without the word unicorn
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/16 02:20 PM
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Well, when I take a look at /r/foreveralone, what I see is guys who really want a girlfriend, not 20 ONS, although they'd be happy with both, they'd rather have the former. So in that regard, TRP will not get them much closer to their goal. What I'd recommend for them to do? A simple google search: "How to talk to girls" http://www.wikihow.com/Talk-to-a-Girl Yes, I think it's cringy, but most guys here ask for a step-by-step guide and this is it. "How to look your best men" http://www.wikihow.co…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/16 10:18 AM
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Askmen article I agree that it's not the best advice, as long as you interpret it as "Just be Yourself is the ONLY thing you need", and you could see it that way since the author leaves that vague. Anyway, he's getting called out in the (only?) comment on his article. In fact, if I google "Just be Yourself" the articles saying that it's bad are higher ranked than the actual JBY articles. Doesn't that mean that mainstream knowledge knows that it's not that good advice? And that askreddit post is …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/16 10:14 AM
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Socially awkward and not having anything interested going for you. The whole sentence is important
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/16 08:21 AM
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Finding a successful relationship using blue pill sexual strategy is luck. Why is that? You know BP doesn't say "just stand on the street and wait for her to come by". Go on, ask on /r/relationships that you have trouble getting a relationship (or google dating advice or anything). Pretty much all the top links will have a hell of a lot more advice than simply "be yourself". It's myth that BP says just that. They do say, but in the context of "don't try to be someone else" ie "don't pretend you …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 09:38 PM
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Yeah, I can absolutely agree that your upbringing matters a lot. Yes that's luck. Not being autistic is also luck I guess. But in that way, you could attribute everything in life to luck. You failed your driving test? Unlucky, because you weren't born with good driving potential. Didn't study for a test and failed it? Unlucky because your parents never taught you that studying is important. At a certain point, you need to take some responsibility for yourself. You CAN improve yourself. In that s…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 09:26 PM
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Yeah, you're literally saying that finding a good LTR in a non-rp way is pure luck. Dating is usually a part (the introductory one) of a relationship, so I assumed that's pretty much the same thing. Anyway, you think BP strategy is just fiddling your thumbs and hope you falll into a good relationship sometime?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 09:20 PM
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reworded the concepts of dread game You mean flirting with other women on the purpose of making your LTR insecure? I don't see that there. abundance mentality Which is fine, but not in the way RP sees it. They use it as a way to say "never get really invested in a relationship, always keep plenty options". Well guess what, if you don't get invested, neither will she. keeping frame There's keeping frame and there's never apologizing and walking away when your partner wants to talk to you (yes I'v…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 09:17 PM
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I have no problem with her going out every once in a while with girlfriends. I go out with friends sometime too. But I do it to be with my friends, not for the partying itself, which is not really my thing. But yeah I trust her and she trusts me. Works out pretty well for us. If she suddenly starts sleeping over at a friend every night of the week I'd be suspicious, but that would be so wildly out of character that I can't imagine it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 09:10 PM
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Yes, your entire thread is based upon men gambling and you then saying that succesfull non-rp relationships are found through sheer luck. That's literally what you said.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 09:07 PM
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What kind? The unconditional kind? How are you so sure? Depends on what you mean with unconditional. Unconditional in the way that if he turned out to be a drug dealer she'd stay with him? I don't think so. Unconditional in the way that she wouldn't care if he cried every now and then, or if he lost his job due to reorganizations? Yeah. And I'm not 100% sure, I base it upon what I see them do. Don't we all? "You don't have an egalitarian marriage but instead it's "captain/first officer" and you …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 09:06 PM
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Exactly. And I consider them real because I see them and interact with them. Not because I've heard of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 09:01 PM
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Why do you think dating is just luck? You have a large amount of control over how you look, act and treat people.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 07:00 PM
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Not US. Yes. And no our friends are mostly like us. Like to make/listen to music, play videogames and boardgames and watch movies. I've never really been into the whole partying thing and neither has she or our friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 06:58 PM
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I stated my point without the word unicorn right? You can agree or disagree with that and debate if you disagree
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 06:56 PM
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Defend it like a horsecorn then. Pretend I said horsecorn. I'll repeat the main point for you "The qualities that RP says women don't have are actually in a lot of women. But these women would never date an RPer". You can debate that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 06:45 PM
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Which is why I put it between parentheses. Read the TL:DR for the main point "you attract what you are"
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 06:38 PM
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I define unicorn with terms that RP would say a girl never is ie trustworthy, loves you instead of the validation she gets from you and doesn't think of you as less attractive if you cry sometimes
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 06:35 PM
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No not decades of experience. But how many RP'ers have decades of experience? Add to that that people who are married for decades without problems don't come to RP and I don't see how RP is more reliable than my experiences. And this post isn't about omegas or whatever, it's about the kind of girl that RP says doesn't exist does exist. But she's not attracted by RP.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 06:29 PM
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Yes. But the point is that if you want your unicorn, the club might not be the best place to look. But for your argument: it's based on luck if you meet the X% of unicorns, but being RP will ensure that even if you meet them, you're not gonna get them
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 06:19 PM
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I know what I say is anecdotal. But pretty much everything RP says, and they talk a lot about girls in their 20s, isn't wht I see around me. I'm not retarded and I can make observations too. I said it in another post, but pretty much every BP guy I know who has a girlfriend (and quite a lot of them do), has a gf that would be a "unicorn" by RP standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 06:14 PM
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But it's not based on luck whether you keep them after meeting them
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 06:10 PM
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Sure, but doesn't that confirm that once you've build attraction (in whatever way) you don't need to act RP to keep a good relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 06:05 PM
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These are Not the RP things I'm talking about Arguably not even RP things since that can be found everywhere. I'm talking about the "women will only love your status/validation so act accordingly" kind of advice that TRP gives
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 06:03 PM
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I see it all around me too. When my dad got sick and needed care all the time my mom stuck around unconditionally until he died after six years. My stepdad is pretty BP and yet I see the kond of love RP says doesn't exist between him and my mom. And around my own age I see couples that don't do RP stuff at all and have happy LTR's. If you'd describe the gf's of all these guys, RP would call them unicorns. But I see them quite a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 06:01 PM
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If course not, but in my experience there are plenty girls around 20 who do not have most of the negative AWALT traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 05:06 PM
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Correct. But rather a good chance (non trp) at a winning ticket than a very low chance (trp) right?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 04:56 PM
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21, about the age where TRP claims every girl is firmly on the carousel and exhibits all the AWALT traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 04:49 PM
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The entire point is that winning lottery tickets are nowhere near as rare as TRP thinks. It's just that trying to buy winning tickets at the wrong lottery will never get you one.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 04:48 PM
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Bit more than two years and still going just as well as in the beginning (actually things keep getting better).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 04:38 PM
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Well, why wouldn't I believe someone who practises law in France? Unless he was lying and I don't see why he was.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/16 08:14 PM
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Don't remember, I read someone saying this in another discussion about this in Askreddit sometime ago. Assuming he wasn't lying, he was talking about practicing law in France, so I'm willing to believe what he says.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/16 03:08 PM
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About the France thing, from what I understand the judge will pretty much never refuse a paternity test if asked for it. Not saying this is a good way to do it, but it's a myth that you can't do paternity tests in France period.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/16 06:10 AM
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"I've got no choice right? You will murder have sex with me no matter what I do. I better shut up now before you get angry and really hurt me or worse" Does that sound better? Because that does happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 02:52 PM
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Desire isn't the same thing as a strategy mate. I have the desire to be rich, but I'm not employing the strategy stealing because I consider it amoral, no matter how much I want to be rich. See what I mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/16 09:39 PM
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It does not, however, work to inform me as to how I need to be in relationship to a woman. That's a whole different ballgame than "not everyone will like you" and "don't let people be rude." Well, then you just google "How not to be a doormat in relationships" and you'll get the first three or four links explaining why you should stand up for yourself in a relationship and not kiss your partners ass all the time. Really, googles advice goes as specific as you want to. Don't need RP for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/16 09:34 PM
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What does that mean though? What does that look like? I googled "how not to be a doormat" for you. Realize that some people will dislike you for no reason at all. No amount of kindness will change their minds. Be kind to everyone while being assertive. This does not mean giving everyone what he wants or making personal sacrifices. Ask yourself: Does this person respect me? Does the person return the favor when you are kind? Recognize an opportunist. Consider your own needs. Do you have the resou…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/16 06:49 PM
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Most of those guys will be on the receiving end of a horrendous breakup. Actually they're doing fine. For longer relationships, there still needs to be a high degree of sexual attraction from her to him. Sure, but you still don't need to be Mr. Chad for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/16 05:02 PM
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That threshold is quite a bit higher for men than it is for women. Depends on what you want. A one night stand, women will probably have higher standards. For longer relationships? Don't really think so. When I look around at my friends that have a gf, they aren't more attractive then their gf on average. Even so, that treshold is nowhere near as high as you pretend it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/16 04:55 PM
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He has to cross the basic threshold for physical looks/attractiveness. And that treshold is not that high. Really there's millions young guys getting laid who aren't muscled hunks. Charisma and humor are NOT "sexually attractive". You bet they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/16 04:50 PM
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Sure, he's hawt. But we don't really LIKE those guys. And it doesn't make sense to you that they speak the truth that they don't really like guys who have nothing else going for them except muscles? Still, are you only talking to strictly christian women or something? Because most women I know would say that personality is in the end more important than looks, I've never heard them say that they don't want muscled guys. The sexual attraction has to be there from the get go, True, but you don't n…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/16 04:39 PM
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Oh come on. Go on, ask a women "are you attracted to reasonably muscled men?". Go on. I guarantee you almost none will say "no Pem, I don't find fit men attractive at all!". And you really underestimate how far a good personality/sense of humor/charisma can get you. I know more fat guys with good social skills that get laid than I know good looking guys with shit social skills that get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/16 04:23 PM
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Certainly there's stuff on RP that's true. But really that's the stuff most people know. Women find handsome men who are reasonable muscled attractive? You should not be a doormat? Who would have guessed? You certainly couldn't tell from mainstream media, where men like that are certainly not idolized all the time. Oh wait you can. Now, the stuff on RP that's not found on most mainstream sources, also happens to be the stuff that will be detrimental to your attracting women. Stuff like "ignore w…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/16 04:12 PM
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I think RP does more in pointing men in the right direction of sexual attraction than the Personalities test. It does. But the "pointing in the right direction" of RP is also found on a lot of other (mainstream) places. And add to that that RP also has a lot of "pointing in the wrong direction" and I wonder if the total outcome is better than a personality test. Certainly not better than just googling "dating advice".
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/16 04:08 PM
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No it covers what RP thinks women find arousing. Different thing
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/16 03:26 PM
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If your preference in socializing is "not doing it", then there is not dating advice for you than "start socializing". This is like saying "there is no weight loss advice for people who do not want to stop eating too much"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/16 02:55 PM
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What it doesn't tell us are the basics of female nature, what they find sexually arousing, and why. Well neither does RP
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/16 02:53 PM
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This is very anecdotal and no different from "this man got falsely accused of rape, we shouldn't take women who say they've been raped seriously". Instead, we should take all cries for help (on 911 at least) seriously. Otherwise, what's the point? Better to respond to a false alarm 10 times than to not respond to a real one once.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 10:02 AM
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So now TRP is "chicks with dicks"? Interesting. And I'm a man by the way, but keep your hamster going if that helps you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/16 08:39 PM
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Why do you assume logic is more powerful than nature? That must be why most people don't hate or perceive the entire other gender as inferior. Curious. And I thought men where the logical ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/16 08:12 PM
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A hell of a lot of them don't. 30% of TRP is just complaining about X things that women/society does.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/16 08:11 PM
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The responsibility of their anger. I've heard multiple times on PPD here that "you can't really blame RP men for their anger, it's societies/women's fault." If you are somehow angry at an entire gender (and somehow don't believe you are misguided) you need to take responsibility for it, and not shove it off to the few women who treated you bad. Because yes that happens in TRP. No, not all TRP and maybe not even official TRP theory. But remember: an ideology/cult is what it's members make of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/16 08:01 PM
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And in the same breath people say "what do you expect other than these men to be angry at women, women were bad to them!". What is that if not shifting responsibility?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/16 07:55 PM
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There is never a good reason to hate an entire gender. An average man has maybe met 0,0001% of the female population in his life and has had more than one conversation with maybe 10% of those people. Not exactly what you'd call a sample that representative for an entire gender. It makes RP no better than "I was abused by two men in my life so all men are pigs!"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/16 06:58 PM
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Fact is, the anger TRPers feel is at themselves, and only themselves. They weren't paying attention. It takes one movie and one look at a romance novel cover to figure out that women are attracted to masculinity. You wouldn't say that from reading the lovely TRP sub
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/16 06:56 PM
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People need to take responsibility for what they say and feel. Yes maybe you were lied to. Doesn't justify you blindly hating on women. Explain it maybe, but not justify. Ironically, SJW's do the exact same thing with "I was treated badly by white people once and that's why It's not bad if I openly hate them. TRP and SJW's use a lot of the same tactics and arguments actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/16 05:02 PM
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And like I said, anything not strictly necessary for survival must be emotional by that logic. Which makes the word rather meaningless.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/16 11:35 AM
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If you look at the facts, having children is often logical. People want children - fact. They perceive the rewards to be greater than the risks - fact. Logical decision based on these facts is having children. And because you cannot control how much you want children, you have to take desire for children as a given variable. Based on our feelings and desires that we cannot control, the logical choice could be to have kids. This isn't talking about unplanned kids, which is often impulsive and stu…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/16 11:11 AM
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No, but I took away from your comments that having children is an emotional choice while you as a logical being wouldn't do it. I argue that from a standpoint of logic, children can be the right choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/16 11:03 AM
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Well they do it based on the logic possible rewards > possible risks. And the value assigned to rewards and risks is emotional but so is everything then. And it's not like there's a 50% chance the child will a complete fuckup
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/16 09:56 AM
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No but almost everyone works more than they strictly need. But here's the point: if you know that doing X will give you on average more happiness than unhappiness (greater reward than risk), isn't the logical thing to do X then?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/16 09:34 AM
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Well you can survive on a very basic income nowadays, especially in Europe. Doesn't mean people want that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/16 09:28 AM
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And why do people desire more money to live a good life? To feel good. And why do people want to feel good? Emotion. You can call it emotion or logic, but I think it's stupid to say that kids is an emotional choice and (implied by the way you frame it) irrational, while other choices aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/16 08:48 AM
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Which is fine. But by your logic, emotion drives almost every decision and you say it doesn't. You have sex because it makes you feel good, that's an emotional reason too.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/16 07:11 AM
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form a strong emotional bond with their children ... I'm just saying that is the one singular benefit and if you weigh it against all the risks and downfalls it is an illogical decision. But that's the point. For them, the emotional bond has more value that the potential risks. That doesn't make it illogical. That makes it a logical weighing of risk vs reward. If having kids isn't logical, than having sex, going to the movies or going to school isn't logical either. In the end, it's all based on…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/16 09:40 PM
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the large amount of blogs on the matter Uh, duh. The internet is growing and the amount of blogs and information that you can access grows with it. Doesn't really prove anything. More and more rationalizations of cheating in the media. Care to give me a few examples? Last time I checked cheaters from both genders were vilified pretty hard, unless the other partner was obviously abusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/16 09:09 PM
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You think your logical, but how logical are you really? Do you have sex? Of course you do. The risk of STD, rape accusation etc are obviously worth it to you. Children are not. But for people who want children, these children are worth it to them. Yes, it may mean a strain on the marriage especially in puberty. But I bet you that a lot of parents wouldn't part with their child for all the money in the world. And when their child is grown up, they have massive satisfaction for knowing that they h…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/16 09:06 PM
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If you look at it from a logical standpoint the risk isn't worth it for you. For other people the desire for kids and the potential for happiness is obviously greater than the risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/16 08:46 PM
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And yet if you ask a lot of people who have kids, they would die for them. I think your interpreting it wrong. While kids can put a strain on a marriage, people are often happy enough with their kids that they take that strain. Even though the mother and father might be less happy with another, they're both very happy with the kid.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/16 08:35 PM
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That graph doesn't show satisfaction from having the child, only how good the marriage is.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/16 08:17 PM
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Having children (planned not impulsive) is a perfectly logical choice then
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/16 08:15 PM
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Higher risk, massively higher reward. It's simple. You think eating makes you feel anywhere near as good as having kids (for people that want them)?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/16 08:03 PM
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More investment, more potential for good feels
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/16 07:31 PM
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What good is equality if the kid isn't served best? Custody rulings don't exist for the best of the parents, they exist for the kid. I'm all for a critical evaluation of family courts, but default 50/50 is not the solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/16 06:17 PM
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Question, how is 50/50 custody good for the kid? I mean kid goes to school right? That means at least monday to friday the kid should be in one place. That already pretty much locks out 50/50 custody imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/16 06:11 PM
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No but you might also get hit by a car and be wheelchair bound the rest of your life. But do you stay inside all day?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/16 04:24 PM
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Well then from a logical point almost everything is bad idea. People have sex for "the feeelz" too. Or see movies. Or go mountain climbing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/16 04:22 PM
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Ah well, let's hope Sanders does well, or at least his sentiments will survive for the next elections then. For the sake of the USA. (and before you start calling Sanders a communist, his policies as they are now would still be considered less socialist than we have now in Europe, and we pretty far from being communists)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 07:13 PM
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Be sarcastic if you want, but I don't think CEO's having a little more empathy in general would be a bad thing
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 07:06 PM
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Well to be honest I don't live in the states and I have a college education (here college isn't the same as in America, we have college and "higher employment education". Both of these things are considered college in America), so there's not too much to worry about. There are good employer protection laws too, so if you have a child you can usually get reasonable time off without worrying too much about your career. That said, if you want to be CEO of the national bank, don't expect to have tim…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 07:06 PM
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Yeah but you dont want people with high empathy being the CEO, Or maybe you do. What's happened with all these male CEO's? They let wallstreet crash and walked away with the fat bonus. Not what I'd consider desirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 06:53 PM
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Women CEO earn less for their companies than men. So I did my own googling and first result I found what that women CEO's cause a lower risk level for the firm. Nothing on profit actually. Results show that when all leadership contexts are considered, men and women do not differ in perceived leadership effectiveness. Yet, when other-ratings only are examined, women are rated as significantly more effective than men. In contrast, when self-ratings only are examined, men rate themselves as signifi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 06:34 PM
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Like I said in another comment, my parents did fine. My dad was a teacher at college and worked pretty much full time. My mom worked parttime nursery when I was young, but went back to school and made a good career in psychology and social work when I was 7 or 8. That said, I don't think it's a good idea to focus full time on your career, have 60 hour workweeks and have children. I know a guy whose parents did that. He was a spoiled rich kid, but his parents were never around and he suffered a b…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 06:28 PM
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And it's also proven that women have more empathy in general so they may make decisions that are overall better for the health and happiness of employees which may lead to lower employee turnover, which is good for the company. You can always find statistics to support your women/men are superior argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 06:26 PM
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Planning on having kids? Then you can kiss that extra income goodbye. You'll either spend most of it on quality childcare, or one of you will have to stay home at least until the child(ren) reach school age. So? It's not a problem to work a bit less for a few years nowadays. If we both work a bit less we can still take care of the child and when it reaches school age we can work more. That's how my parents did it (my mom had a part time job, but still made a good career and started working more …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 06:24 PM
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No. The question that /u/c_in_macn asked was "why would men marry today if women don't provide what they used to?" To which I said that women can still provide what they used to AND have a career, which gives you more money to spend as a couple.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 06:20 PM
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What do you mean? I've literally seen that posted. I don't care if not every RP'er agrees with it, it was still a highly upvoted post with plenty of circlejerk in the comments. Clearly a lot of RP'ers believe "AWALT - No motivation will expect others to do the work", or I'd expect them to at least say so in the comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 06:15 PM
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We spend more if we both work as opposed to one of us working? This comparison isn't single vs a relationship, it's a one partner income vs a two partner income
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 06:13 PM
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Pops up often enough on RP women are not used to working for things, they will expect others to do it and sentiments like that
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 06:11 PM
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Point is that even if you believe it doesn't apply to all women, it's still bad. Because if you need to choose to promote a man or a woman and you believe AWALT - Less motivated, you'll probably promote the man given equal everything else. Because you believe that it's possible for the woman to be less motivated. And yes, that's a form of AWALT I have seen. And yes, people are influenced by that and it does impact their decision making.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 06:09 PM
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On a global scale maybe. But if I look at my situation, we will make twice the money if she works the same hours as I do right?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 06:07 PM
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What, a women can be a good partner, have good sex with you and have a good career right? I'd rather have a partner with a good career, that means we get twice the money to spend on fun stuff
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 05:59 PM
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I don't think anyone ever proved that women are less effective in CEO or leadership, or traditionally male positions (unless it's olympic weightlifting or others jobs with very obvious physical requirements). However, your OP made me think of a recent comment that I saw from an RP'er not too long ago. It went like this I don't believe women are very diciplined or motivated. I mean, how many female CEO's are there? Why do men make much bigger careers? To which I would like to say: it's because of…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 05:57 PM
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I've seen plenty of couples where the guy is twice as old as her (like 14 and 28) Really? Really? I've known one couple that was where the girl was 14 and the guy was 18 and everyone thought that was weird. Can't imagine 14 and 28. Where in Europe do you live?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 05:37 PM
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Well if you apply RP stuff to your relationships (dread game, work on yourself instead of on your relationship etc) the girls who aren't ugly on the inside will LTR with a better guy. So really, you're doing it to yourself at that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 05:33 PM
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Look, I agree with what you say. That's not the point. The point is that the things that TRP teaches will resonate especially with socially inept guys, since it gives them a nice step by step book on how to do game. And these guys may not be the best in knowing what a playful no is and what a hard no is. And that can lead, in my opinion, to these false-but-not-false rape accusations. I think that it can be harmful. That's the point. I know a lot of RP'ers also say "I just walk away at a no, she'…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 05:13 PM
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Not what I said at all. We write laws that incorporate the possibility of coercion. Do you know how low conviction rate is? It's not like we put men behind bars just because some women said so. That doesn't mean that we can't recognize that assuming "no means not yet" will lead to some coercion situations. Yes people have a responsibility for themselves. But if you engage in sexual intercourse you also have a responsibility to ensure your partner is into it. That means if she said no twice and a…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 03:06 PM
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As are most around here. Keyword being most.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 02:34 PM
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Most men understand that to mean she doesn't want to have sex. Agreed, hence why most men aren't rapists. But that small part that doesn't understand that, that's also the part that probably has trouble reading people and is extra vulnarable to TRP. And that's why I believe that the things that TRP teaches can certainly bring harm.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 02:18 PM
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Consent given after persuasion, cajoling, or pressuring is still consent. Nope. It's coercion. This is why people call for enthusiastic consent being the norm, because it eliminates a lot of these scenarios. Let's take it to the extreme: a guy says "if you don't agree to have sex with me now, I'll hold you down and do it anyways, and I'll hurt you too". If she says yes after that, is it still consent that counts as not-rape? Of course not. Now, this situation won't really happen. But there is a …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 02:01 PM
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No, the correct BP answer would be (and to be fair, I do see this sentiment in some RP posts too) is to just back off when she says no. Better not have sex for one night than raping a person.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 01:56 PM
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That sounds a lot like consent to me. "Reluctant consent" is still consent. That's where the blurry line is. Because saying yes because after repeatedly saying no because you believe that if you don't say yes things will get way uglier for you isn't consent. That's coercion. I'm not saying it happens that often. But I am saying that the things RP teaches will contribute to things like this happening more often.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 01:50 PM
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and also "do whatever the fuck she wants" And from another popular post on TRP The best way to overcome usual LMR is to just agree, but still keep moving forward. "We shouldn't do this." - "I know." You want to come off as if you feel like that too, but you just can't resist her. Be very passionate in general and you won't run over LMR as much in the first place. Now, again, I think that a lot of TRP'ers can pick up signals fine and when she REALLY doesn't want it, they'll know. But you have to …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 01:36 PM
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Now let's this Studly McDudebro. He's been "awakened" by RP for a year or so and has followed the good advice "exercise, work on yourself" and has internalized the bad stuff like "no means not yet". Studly isn't too good at reading people, but he looks rather good and so far when he pushed through the no's that women gave him, they gave a yes and both enjoyed it. Now he meets Stacy, who is a lot smaller than Studly. She goes home with him but once she gets there she decides that she actually doe…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 01:18 PM
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Weird, that this is on askTRP, as if the user asked for advice... Comments say the same thing. Somehow BP always seems to forget that RP nexts the girls that don't comply and jumps to the next one. I'm sure some RP'ers do. I'm also pretty sure that the vulnarable socially awkward group that RP appeals to is prone to taking things like "no means not yet" and "if you display enough dominance and initiate hard enough she will want you" too literally. Way too literally. I'm not saying that any RP'er…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 01:10 PM
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I keep reading this "/r/relationships is shit" stuff from RP'ers. Can you point me to a few threads of the past week that would support that? Because I never find these "just do whatever she wants" advice on there.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 01:05 PM
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Yeah, no. https://www.reddit.com/r/asktrp/comments/4dk1fo/she_likes_dominance_but_doesnt_like_to_be/ That's a recent post that caught my eye, but there many more with the same sentiment. The "do whatever you want trust me she'll like it sentiment" is seen on TRP boards often enough that at least some people get that from TRP. Besides, teaching young men who aren't too socially skilled (most guys on TRP since why would you need TRP if you have good social skills), that "no means not yet" will ine…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 12:52 PM
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I have experienced a false rape accusation. And I emphatize with you. But no matter how bad is was that this happened to you (and don't get me wrong, that is a big injustice) doesn't mean it's the norm. For every story like yours there's one of a woman that got raped, but didn't had the evidence to get her rapist convicted and he walked free and she was seen as a liar. I have no sympathy for women who simply say they've been raped, Then what do you expect women who've been raped to do? Should wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 12:28 PM
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because the prosecution on behalf of rape victims is given more importance than the rights of the accused, Sometimes. There's also a lot of shaming on rape victims who don't have enough proof as being manipulative liars. That's why a lot of real victims don't report to the police: they'll have to undergo the entire experience again with questioning and such and because evidence in rape cases is very hard to come by conviction of the rapist in unlikely.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 12:25 PM
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Yeah, but RP does their best to make that chance as high as possible
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 10:58 AM
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So? I never said true false rape accusation don't exist. And of course ridiculous videos like that get the most attention because they're entertaining and/or ragebait.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 10:56 AM
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Well yes there is. The CMV is "Red Pillers take a huge gamble with their application of LMR. There only needs to be one girl who isn't into it, but RP believes she is, and you're a sexual assaulter". Change OP's view about this means: argue that RP'ers DON'T take a huge gamble with their extreme focus on "no means yes" and dominance.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 09:50 AM
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Funny thing is that complaining about false rape accusations is featured every now and then on TRP, but it's exactly this kind of behaviour (no might mean yes) that can lead to these accusations. What TRP calls a false accusation can very well be a "no" that turned into a "yes" because the man wouldn't believe it and wouldn't leave her alone. And while you could question how rape that really is (and that depends on the context and if the girl felt threatened etc), it certainly isn't a "bitch reg…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 09:49 AM
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If you don't try, you'll never know if you could have succeeded. Looks aren't THAT important in picking up women (provided you aren't deformed), charisma, game and humour can carry you very far. If you want efficiency, get a girlfriend because you'll get laid more than if you try another girl every week.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/16 02:22 PM
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Thought this was synonymous. Most people understand that you're talking about the NiceguyTM when you say "nice guy", but I think that for the purpose of this sub it's better to explicitly say what you mean. There's posters here who think that the defining flaw of nice guys is being nice and not boring, might as well specify it in your post. And there's a question you didn't answer yet, was there a very sex-negative culture in your high school? Because like I said when I was in highschool, pretty…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/16 11:14 AM
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First off, I agree that rebellious seeks rebellious. But you describe a culture where sexuality is seen as a bad thing. When I was in highschool, they explained us how to use condoms and told us to be safe, not to not have sex. And I think you're confusing nice guy with boring guy. Because in my experience, the guys that didn't get girls were boring. Yes, they may also have been nice, but that wasn't the problem. Because there were plenty of nice guys (and I mean guys who would help other people…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/16 10:16 AM
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By gamed I also include tactics like dread game and spinning plates, And here I thought RP said women wanted commitment, not be a plate or be dreaded.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 10:52 PM
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Maybe, maybe not. Still, all available data does point to about an equal number of virgins for each gender. Of course the data could be wrong, but there's not much other data that would imply that. In other words, given the data we have, the rational thing would be to assume that virginity rates across genders are roughly equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 05:42 PM
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One the one hand societal pressure can be brutal (for men too by the way, being branded a loser if you don't conform to some arbitrary standard of masculinity), but on the other hand I see plenty of people at uni who don't follow societal norms very strictly and they seem fine to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/16 10:53 PM
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So why all the endless articles and posts about AWALT if a simple "Hey, sometimes people do things for their own good instead of for you and sometimes shitty people exist that will screw you over" would suffice? Is it somehow novel knowlegde that people who go out of their way to be kind to you are good for you and people who don't aren't the ones you want a relationship with?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/16 10:08 PM
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I give you credit for the research, but I think both you and TRP are kind of missing the point. I think people are the happiest when they make their own (and truly their own) choice about what they do. So some women will be happier staying at home. Others will be happiest making a career. And others will be happier having a simple part time job. I think the differences between individual women here in what they want is great enough that generalizing is meaningless.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/16 09:53 PM
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So you basically say "all women (or people in general) are technically capable of X, but may or may not actually do X"? What's the use of that?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/16 09:42 PM
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Sure buddy
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 11:00 PM
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Still, it's the biggest concentration of guys who call themselves RP
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 08:00 PM
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Certainly not the subreddit Well the sub is the largest gathering of RP guys, so you could easily make an argument that it does define RP. If you google "the red pill" that sub is on top.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 07:49 PM
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What do mean by that? BP (as in everyone that is not RP) hold way more diverse viewpoints than RP'ers. I'm not RP for example and I post on BP sometimes, but I still hate SJW's and Shitredditsays as much as I dislike RP.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 05:44 PM
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But less so because BP isn't group of people with very specific beliefs that come together to talk about those beliefs. RP is by way of the self selection of the users more prone to confirmation bias. But of course you're somewhat right, confirmation bias is just a human thing and everyone does it to a degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 05:34 PM
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RP is inherently prone to confirmation bias before discussing stuff, because the discussions on RP only consist of RP'ers. It is not a randomly selected group of people discussing. RP'ers already have a set of beliefs and that influences their observations (it's just a human thing really, everyone does this). It's like saying: why do you need proof that God exists, isn't the fact that billions of christians come together to talk about him enough proof?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 05:27 PM
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I don't lift, but I do a fair amount of running, yes I exercise.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 08:30 AM
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And for every woman who has a bad boy there's one who has a nice guy (and I mean nice, not a doormat).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 08:29 AM
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That men aren't really that disadvantaged in society. That human behaviour isn't as cause --> effect related as RP says. That more effort than "lift and hold frame" is needed for succesful LTR's.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 06:31 AM
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Never said that niceness is the reason sexual attraction exists. Why do you guys keep acting like I said that?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 06:29 AM
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From the sidebar: "in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men." The entire premise of RP is based upon a "men are oppressed in society". That feeds into a victim narrative. Just like SJW's/some feminist groups, that is an easy lie for the members of that group.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 06:12 AM
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I mean, you need to say a bit more than that. Guys who care because they are afraid women will constantly compare him with every other guy she's had are insecure. Guys who don't want such a woman because they don't like that lifestyle and don't think they would be compatible are just having a reasonable preference. Guys who sleep around themselves but expect their future LTR to not be promiscious are probably insecure, but certainly hypocrites. Still, they're entitled to their preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 09:40 PM
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Yeah, my point was more that it's stupid to base your ideas on ONE study performed by a dating site (so no actual personal contact took place and evaluations were done entirely on the pictures). You could draw conclusions that go both ways from that study and both wouldn't be really proof of anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 09:32 PM
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A combination I think. I was never told that only your inside matters btw. Of course we had these "all people are beautiful inside" mantras in elementary school, but I don't think that's the same. I mean 90% of men pick up on stuff like this just fine. If 10% don't is the problem the advice, or that these men heavily misunderstand the advice they're given, or follow it too literally?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 08:55 PM
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Hm, I'm not so sure. You know that OKCupid study people here always throw around to show that women only think 20% of men are attractive? The same thing showed that women message guys that they consider average and guys that they consider hot, while guys only messaged girls that were on the top of the spectrum.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 08:38 PM
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There are a lot of women in this subreddit as well who appear to be incapable of honesty about this. I've never seen a woman in this sub say "I don't care about looks, niceness is enough for me". Yes you might have heard it, but by the way you talk, you suggest that this is some deep seated belief that all of society has. And I've never heard someone say all that stuff and being fully serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 07:56 PM
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"when the attraction is there, niceness will not lower it" Yes. I could add "Niceness does not mean being a doormat". You get the point right?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 07:44 PM
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I don't know because I don't know your specific context. But I've been a 12 year old boy too and I and none of the other 12 year old boys I knew really believed that you didn't need to be attractive. I mean have you ever looked at any magazine aimed at teenage girls? There's constant pictures of attractive guys in there. It's not like the truth is hidden unless you grow up in christian cult that allows no contact with outsiders maybe.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 07:39 PM
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Really I'd like some quote from a woman who said to you "I don't care about looks at all".
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 07:36 PM
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Well sounds like you had a different upbringing than 90% of the men, since you seem to be one of the few who literally believes (believed) that stuff
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 07:30 PM
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Just be nice. Girls LOVE guys who are nice. Nice men are sexually attractive. Women really go for nice men. You don't have to be good looking. The only women who really like good looking men are shallow and stupid. The only women who like good looking men are slutty, broken, damaged, or mentally ill." You put that in a quote box, so who are you quoting it from?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 07:28 PM
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Blues' perpetual confusion and conflation of comfort with sexual arousal. And have you considered that while they may not be the same thing, these two do interact with each other and are not isolated concepts? I mean go on, ask some women. I'm sure they'll tell you that comfort can help sexual attraction in many cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 07:26 PM
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Jesus man, you just keep repeating my words. I just literally said that being too nice is bad. And I do believe that being nice as in "not being an asshole" and "actually carefully listening and interacting with your partner and showing empathy" and "doing acts of kindness" will help the attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 07:10 PM
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Uh, I said multiple times, in response to you even, that I don't think niceness only creates sexual attraction. I even said that sexual attraction must be there in the first place from other causes. What I did argue that when the attraction is there, niceness (the reasonable kind of course, not being the doormat that OP describes) will not lower it, and may even improve attraction. I never argued that niceness was a substitute for being good looking or having a good sense of humour or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 07:07 PM
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It's easier to be an effete passive feminist bitch If you're not TRP then you are this?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 06:57 PM
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Your idea of unreasonable kindness is basically being a doormat. Nobody ever told you doing that was a good idea, and while there are women who try to get that from men while giving nothing in return, even BP would argue that These men are idiots for doing that These women are assholes for manipulating men like that
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 06:56 PM
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They did back in the 1980's under president Carter, but the senate and then the supreme court didn't pass it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 06:32 PM
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The easy lie is, as I've said before and before, blame shifting. Believing that women can never truly love a man (an idea I've seen quite often on TRP) is a form of that. In a relationship where the love is gone, it shifts the blame from the man to the woman, because hey, woman are inherently incapable of true love. Yes, TRP might say that it's the man's fault she left, but this is based on blaming female nature first. The basis of all this stuff is "women are this and that negative quality", wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 04:27 PM
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Sharing your problems, calling for support? That's being a burden and turning her off. Handle your stuff and be a rock in the storm. Yes that's it. And more importantly, doing the same for her. This works for millions and millions of couples, who are you to say that it will definitely turn women off? However, there is not a difference between standing up for yourself and taking her shit tests seriously. You have to pick one. Yes there is. If you treat like "I don't feel like you really enjoy spe…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 04:18 PM
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The redpill position on the other hand is one of pessisim: all women will cheat given the proper circumstances. And that is in fact the easy lie. "all women will cheat given proper circumstances" is already shifting the blame away. It is easy to believe and internalize that all women are always capable of stuff that destroys your relationship (and will do it when given the chance), whatever you do, because when it actually happens, you can (at least partly) just blame female nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 04:13 PM
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No we don't. I don't know where you're getting that idea, but it isn't from most mainstream advice places (and if you did find it somewhere, please point me to the place where you found it, I'd be happy to look into it)
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 04:11 PM
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I would argue it is, because RP stuff is shaped by the majority of people that follow it. That's like arguing that nazism wasn't that bad because there were good guys who only followed the sound economic principles that nazism offered. At a certain point, we must judge an ideology by how the vast majority of it's member interpret and use it. Otherwise there's really no point in discussing this.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 04:05 PM
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Do you agree or disagree that perpetual wallowing in self misery and blaming others is hardly exclusive to TRP and even common in humans? Personally, I see plenty of massive organizations devoted to it. Yep, agree. Do you agree or disagree that a forum devoted to addressing problems in people's lives will have a higher concentration of these types of whiny rants? Absolutely Do you agree or disagree that happier members are less likely to post to a such a group? I for one, personally only visit t…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 04:03 PM
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She has to be sexually attracted to him FIRST, otherwise she will never get aroused no matter how comfortable she gets. Never said that this wasn't true.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 03:54 PM
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The sub still shows up on top with that
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 03:40 PM
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Nope, tried it on ingocnito, got the same result
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 03:22 PM
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But the idea that when attraction is there, it is easier to get to the stage of arousal isn't that far out right? Emotional intimacy to me also means you're getting comfortable with each other and more relaxed. That makes it easier to get aroused.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 02:45 PM
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I would argue it might help. It doesn't do all the work for you, but it's better to be a fat man she likes and loves than to be a fat man she doesn't like, even in sexual attraction. Of course that attraction needs to be there in the first place, but my argument was more that being emotionally intimate with someone won't lessen sexual attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 02:43 PM
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I've seen and heard of men being women's emotional tampons, sitting there listening to her complain and cry about how her latest fuckbuddy done her wrong. What's this have to do with emotional intimacy when you're already in a relationship? I wasn't talking about emotional intimacy between friends in any way. What you're describing in indeed unhealthy, no argument from me there.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 02:41 PM
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I spent about 5 years in a deadbedroom marriage because I was completely UNWILLING to walk away. That's not what I meant though. I saw a post on top of the frontpage a while ago that said "As soon as you feel you cannot walk away from a relationship without feeling bad, break if off". That's another thing entirely then "never be able to walk away". Our couples sessions were unproductive. Possible. I don't mean to diminish your experience. But a lot of people do say it helps. And sometimes the re…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 02:40 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/relationships/comments/4cmacs/update_me_30_m_with_my_girlfriend_29_f_15_years_a/ OP finds out GF is cheating, commenters agree with a "stone cold walk away". https://www.reddit.com/r/relationships/comments/4cp0iq/me_36_m_with_my_fianc%C3%A9_27_f_of_6_years_she_is_so/ OP complains that his GF is unhappy, first comment is a reality check asking if GF isn't just using him and telling OP not be an emotional crutch forever https://www.reddit.com/r/relationships/comments/4cky6…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 02:37 PM
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they will have sex with hawt, attractive, badass men they don't like, and will cry on the shoulders of the unattractive, nice, good men they do like but aren't sexually attracted to. I bet not actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 02:30 PM
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they will have sex with hawt, attractive, badass men they don't like, and will cry on the shoulders of the unattractive, nice, good men they do like but aren't sexually attracted to. Except for the millions and millions of women who are in a happy relationship with men they DO like I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 02:26 PM
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Most nonTRP forums do not offer advice other than "give her what she wants" and "go to marital/relationship counseling". You have never read any other forums clearly. This is just false.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 02:23 PM
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Uh, no. "getting along better" does absolutely NOTHING for "helping sexual attraction". A woman does NOT need to feel an affinity for a man before she'll fuck him. Actually a lot of women do. Have you considered asking them?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 02:22 PM
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then give men an alternative. I just did. The first page of google has literally all the advice that I consider good TRP advice. If you read that and you want a step by step guide, just google the specific advice (ie google "tips for more confidence). You don't need TRP for that. If you want even more specific advice, there are many forums that are not TRP that would be happy to offer you advice specifically tailored to your unique situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 02:19 PM
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People who mimic each other feel more bonded and get along better. I would definitely put "get along better" on the positive side of "helping sexual attraction". Its wrong to trust in JUST emotional bonding, but its also wrong to assume that it will do nothing for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 02:18 PM
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You wouldn't think that if you just read TRP. I'm not saying that everyone who reads TRP is an idiot on every subject, but I'm generalizing the overall attitude I see on the TRP sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 02:14 PM
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And I think mainsteam advice IS be your best self, and the things you mention. Maybe in a slightly different wording, but not too far from it. Some more links that I picked from the first page of google while googling "dating advice men" and "how to be attractive". http://www.wikihow.com/Be-Attractive-to-Women http://www.menshealth.com/sex-women/how-to-make-myself-more-attractive/11-stay-strong-and-lean http://www.wikihow.com/Look-Attractive-(Guys) Just a few. And while not all links I found hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 02:13 PM
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You have to recognize that a man exhibiting negative feelings will reduce sexual attraction. You have to recognize that emotional bonding is less important than sexual attraction. Why should I recognize that? Because you say it? You have to recognize that "sharing your feelings" and "emotional bonding" are NOT sexually attractive. Research suggest it does help. Read this one for example: Stel, M., & Vonk, R. (2010). Mimicry in social interaction: benefits for mimickers, mimickees, and their inte…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 02:07 PM
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You said being dominant was easy. What is easy about it? Do you really think that being dominant is easier than being supplicant? I think it is easier to be a dominant emotionally unavailable partner in a relationship then putting in emotional effort yes. Especially for guys who don't have the best people skills. Do you think it is easier to stand up for yourself? There is a difference between standing up for yourself and never apologizing (one of the things I've seen multiple times on RP) Do yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 02:00 PM
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If it is, then why are men continually steered away from being told that looking good is important, and why is the biggest contingent at TRP comprised of young men in their early 20s? If you're correct, why aren't these men picking up on it from "Mainstream" sources? Men aren't being steered away from being told that exercising is important, or that having a good haircut and dressing well is important. But nobody is offering dating advice like "women like men with better genes". Why? Because it …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 01:57 PM
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The problem was a lack of sexual attractiveness. The problem was a lack of masculinity. The problem was that our women were not attracted to us physically. AND YOU CAN SOLVE THAT PROBLEM WITHOUT GIVING UP ON YOUR EMOTIONAL BONDING.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 01:50 PM
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Again, you're claiming that what these guys really need to do to "be attractive" is to "be emotionally invested". No. this is wrong. I'm claiming that "be emotionally invested" is one of the things that keep attraction going when it's already established. Not that it's the only thing you need. Nope. Not back when we married guys were doing this. But now it is mainstream advice, so we can dismiss TRP
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 01:49 PM
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Yes. But why do you need be the best man that she's ever had? Because women cannot help themselves but cheat if another "alpha" comes along. Assuming that women are hypergamous and cannot help themselves but fuck high value men when they encounter one is shifting the blame away from yourself to either women or nature or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 01:48 PM
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Yeah yeah, I'm not a native speaker. Very funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 01:39 PM
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I said men need to be sexually attractive before they can forge a relationship with a woman. And I never said that they didn't need to do that. I said don't confuse emotional bonding with sexual attraction. When sexual attraction is there, emotional bonding can greatly increase it. All the advice on r/relationships will say "stand up for yourself" but will never tell a man HOW to do that. Actually, a lot of posts there will tell you exactly how to handle conversations that could solve your probl…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 01:30 PM
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No, I'm not. Right now, all of these RP truths that are actually good for your dating life are not RP truths at all. They are literally found all over mainstream advice. The only thing unique to TRP are it's sexist and destructive beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 01:28 PM
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I'm sure we can agree that good advice from RP is still good advice, even if other sources suggest it. That is not relevant. That is relevant, because if this advice is mainstream, then you don't need to "take the red pill" to believe this advice. And RP claims a lot of these things as RP truths, using it to legitimize their ideology. What do you mean by "emtionally invested", is that blue pill new speak for being supplicant? What does it have to do with being dominant? I mean the opposite of "a…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 01:27 PM
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No. It's always your fault, she cheated? Your fault. She rejected you? Your fault! She cheated? Your fault BECAUSE women are inherently prone to cheating. It still shifts the blame, just makes the wording nicer. The actual fault lies with the women who can't help but cheat if she sees a better man, that's what is implied.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 01:24 PM
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"Just be nice, just be yourself. You don't have to change. You don't have to be in shape. You just be nice nice nice and someday a woman will love you just for who you are." "women do not like men who are in shape or who look good. Only stupid, broken, slutty, damaged or mentally ill women care about that in men." Yeah, that's not mainstream advice. From another comment I made in this thread: If I may ask, what kind of stuff were you reading the in the sphere before you found the sub? Because if…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 01:23 PM
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The women in these troubled relationships are mentally fucked up. They selected men they were "meh" about, and don't really want to fuck them. They let their emotions run their lives, and impose that by default on everyone around them. I mean, women like this exists yes. But so do men who are just as shitty. Where do you get the idea that it's such a significant majority that "don't get emotionally involved" is a bad idea? And no mainstream dating advice will tell you to not respect yourself or …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 01:17 PM
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You're entirely right, but the way I interpreted your comment is the way I see it used on the RP sub. I explained elsewhere in this thread why I think we can take the RP sub and reasonable assume that they best represent the TRP ideology as it currently exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 01:13 PM
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Is pretty much what most women demand from relationships, Looks like you're not getting it. Perhaps that what the women that behaving like TRP tells you want. But most women? No. Besides, when does BP ever tell you to be weak and soft and unattractive? You seem to mix up cause and effect: I shared my feelings in that relationship and she left me. Therefore, sharing my feelings caused her to leave me I will not share my feelings again While there might be very different causes for that. But blami…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 01:12 PM
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You're assuming that "not being fat" is somehow an RP truth. Pretty much every dating advice ever will tell you to exercise and look as best you can. The real comparison is between not being emotionally invested and being emotionally invested, not between being fat and not being emotionally invested.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 01:09 PM
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Letting your woman's feelings and whims run you and your relationship is easy. Placating her, soothing her, and promising to "change" and "get better" is easy. Going without sex because she's pouting, and refusing to stand up for what you want, are easy. Where exactly did you find the definition of "make an emotional investment in your relationship" and see this?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 01:03 PM
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If I may ask, what kind of stuff were you reading the in the sphere before you found the sub? Because if I google "Dating advice men", the very first article that comes up contains these tips: Get Clear on The Red Flags That Matter Think, At Least a Little, About What You Need Be the Best Version of Yourself If You Don’t Want to Really Kiss Her Two Hours in… …there’s probably no love connection. Crazy Never Gets Any Better Do Whatever It Takes to Get Some Confidence http://www.eharmony.com/datin…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 01:01 PM
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No, I say "choosing an easy lie" (not life) because RP always claims that they are "the hard truth", as if believing in RP requires a lot of effort and sacrifice.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 12:50 PM
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And that's the easy lie "Society is fucked and nobody is looking out for you. Obviously not the men and not the women who you hold to these high standards." Believing that society is fucked (by feminism/womens behaviour) inherently shifts a lot of blame away from yourself. Next time a women gets a job over you you can just say "affirmative action!". Next time you fail a class taught by a women, it's because "feminism rejected my valid arguments on this test!".
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 12:47 PM
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Except they don't say that. At least most don't. They only thing BP'ers say is "you shouldn't go RP if you want to date succesfully".
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 12:39 PM
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How did you get to that from my post?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 12:29 PM
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Is it really a vocal minority, when most of the posts on the RP sub, which is the biggest RP community on the internet, expresses these views? At a certain point, an ideology becomes what most of its members make of it, not what it "officially" is. I mean, communism idea's arent bad, but we all know that in practise, it's bullshit. Same for TRP. Some TRP ideas aren't bad, but some are and those are the ones most used by the majority of the community.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 11:41 AM
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You're not wrong. But now you are not echoing most of the popular posts and sentiments of TRP anymore. So many posts are about essentially blaming women for a lot of problems, instead of owning it. And if problems are owned, the relatively easy solution is chosen. "Lift harder", "You cared too much". Even though these things may help, in my view it avoids addressing the real problems of many relationships, which is not having a good emotional connection. And forming one is pretty hard, especiall…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 11:14 AM
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Men are at fault from an RP prespective. The ones enabling feminists are manginas and white knights. Who are men. So once you become an RP man, the blame is on men who enable the system, not you. Once you take the Red Pill, you can shift the blame, just like I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 11:00 AM
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First thing I want to react to is this: That's like confusing /r/feminism with feminism. When I google "The Red Pill", the reddit sub is the very first link I get. When I google "feminism", the reddit sub is on page 2. It can reasonable be assumed that the sub is the biggest and most representative base of RP users, so that's what I base my opinions of TRP on. Why? Because as ideology is ultimately how it's users use it. So I look at the biggest group of users and look at how they use it. So sin…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 10:42 AM
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I saw a comment from a French guy who studies law on this subject and he said that he's never seen a man ask for a paternity test and the judge not allowing it. I think you're making a bigger problem out of this than it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 09:20 AM
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Many schools offer more and more group projects and presentations, at least in my experience. So it's not all that bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 09:05 AM
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If only RP could apply these three handy steps to feminism instead of complaining that western civilization is in a decline every time a feminist says something.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 08:58 AM
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And this is based on your experiences as being a women?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/16 08:28 PM
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Yeah well you could argue that no one has any empathy at all then, which makes OP's argument kinda useless too.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/16 08:14 PM
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Good arguments there. Selfish people exist, both men and women. They demand attention and care and don't give it back. But it's baseless to suggest that one gender is inherently selfish. Actually, research suggests that women take care with their words not to hurt others more often, and men just say what's on their mind more often, even if that needlessly hurts people. So in a sense we could argue that women emphatize more, but I don't think you are willing to listen to different viewpoints. (No…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/16 07:34 PM
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You want some quick sex and don't care about the girls you sleep with having a shitty personality? RP will probably help you. You want a quality relationship that lasts? Stay away from RP
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/16 08:43 AM
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You laugh now, but the SJW's that scream rape at everything are just as guilty in making sure actual rape victims are not taken seriously. In that regard, TRP and SJW's are not that different.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/16 01:24 AM
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And that's the kind of mindset that causes both male and female victims of rape to not feel like they're being taken seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/16 01:09 AM
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I'm saying that claiming "We are just discussing the ideas, nothing else, so we aren't immoral or anything" is an easy way to get rid of any responsibility for your shitty actions. I mean, you CAN discuss that, and I support your right to do so. But claiming that a bunch of TRP'ers discussing the best way to manipulate women is amoral because they are just discussing it is pretty much false.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/16 12:30 AM
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Every now and then there will be the "rape is actually not that bad" type of post on TRP. And besides that, there the narrative that men always want sex and women are the gatekeepers of sex (thus implying that they won't give it away aka "rape"). And on top of that, there is the "as a man, being emotional will destroy any attraction towards you" narrative, which is a great way for male sexual assault victims to not speak up and seek help.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/16 11:30 PM
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Yeah, probably. And that's one of the things that make me angry about TRP too, they are actually complicit in problems like these, where male sexual assault victims aren't taken seriously. Ugh.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/16 11:24 PM
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I don't think so. Maybe percentage wise, but pure numbers? I think the fact that rapists are mostly men would make the men "win" here.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/16 11:21 PM
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Still, like I said, even if the number is many times higher, it's still quite low. On the one hand that's logical, it's often hard to prove rape beyond reasonable doubt. On the other hand, it makes me angry that so many rapists can go free.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/16 11:19 PM
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Still, even if it's 10 times as much, that's only 20% of rapists convicted. Which is still pretty low if you ask me.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/16 11:11 PM
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Dude (I'm going to assume you're a dude here), you cannot classify peoples behaviour into neat little numbers. Most men don't look at a women, and think of a number on a scale that she represents and then assign an action to that number. And besides, as you talk to a person and interact with them, your judgement of them changes constantly, especially during first conversations. I understand that it is easy and safe to be able to classify human behaviour in clear "cause->effect" terms, but it is …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/16 08:16 PM
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Yeah, well the discussion "to rape or not" is indeed (strictly speaking) amoral. But let's be honest to ourselves, that's not what TRP does. They discuss all their strategies, with the direct aim to implement it. That makes it moral. Technically, the study of killing babies is amoral, as long as you don't do it. It's stupid to only refer to the discussion, because the discussion doesn't exist in a vacuum like you say it does.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/16 08:12 PM
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If you get convicted at all. FBI estimated that only around 2% of rapes or so actually end in a conviction.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/16 08:03 PM
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Yeah, which is useless, because TRP discusses sexual strategy with the aim to implement it, which gives it morality. The banana is meant to be eaten, which means it's GOING to have a taste. You can't leave that out.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/16 08:02 PM
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Believe me or not, it's up to you really. What reason do I have to lie about this? I'm not saying all of them do this. I'm saying it's an attitude I've seen a lot around places like FA.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/16 06:47 PM
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Your definition makes the entire concept of morality pointless. Just because morality is subjective, does NOT make it pointless. They are different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/16 05:07 PM
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Yes I did. And you're doing the exact same thing as they do. You say "These things you say that are not what I am believing now cannot be true".
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/16 05:07 PM
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Guns don't kill people. But employing strategies to use guns may lead to people killed. Just because some people have different moral standards, doesn't make sexual strategy amoral. Just because some people like the taste of bananas and others don't doesn't mean that bananas don't HAVE a taste.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/16 04:35 PM
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Some red pill users do mean lying and manipulating is okay in sexual strategy. That they mean that does not make it true that it's amoral. Describing sexual strategy could strictly be seen as amoral. But by employing it, it becomes non-amoral. Besides, even by describing it and influencing people, you are going into ethics. By definition of the word amoral, sexual strategy isn't that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/16 04:16 PM
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Your sexual strategy doesn't exist in a vacuum. Saying "studying this is amoral" is an easy way to get rid of responsibility for your actions. There are definitely "wrong things" in the context of sexual strategy, like my original example in this thread. That's like saying "strategies to get rich are amoral", even if such strategies include stealing, lying and extorting people.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/16 04:11 PM
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Yeah no. What does that even mean in this context?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/16 04:04 PM
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Being a rapist will probably get you more sex too. Doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/16 03:41 PM
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You know, responses I've gotten are often along the lines of "I've tried working out for a month and it didn't work! It's shit advice!". They then proceed to blame their looks and refuse to accept that the problem might be them. Sure, for some of them they might be horribly deformed. But even most short not too attractive guys find someone. Blaming your looks is the easy way out, because then you accept that it's not your fault that you're alone and that no matter how much work you put in, you c…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/16 03:37 PM
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I understand, I just gave some thoughts related to this. You make a good point about this particular case.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/16 03:31 PM
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Pretty much. They complain and complain, but a lot of them are not actually willing to put in the work to better themselves. They could use a little bit of the Red Pill (the good parts, about self improvement). But, alas, they usually only take the part of the Red Pill that says men are victimized, women are priviled and manipulating and will never truly love you. That only makes things worse for them, because how many girls want to be with a guy who thinks that. It's easy to take that part of T…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/16 03:26 PM
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It's shrodingers AWALT. It's literal when they are with likeminded people, but it's a metaphor whenever they are critizised.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/16 03:24 PM
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Maybe not directly applicable to this, but I've tried to offer advice to the folks in /r/foreveralone sometimes, and there are two reactions you get You offer general advice "Be confident, make yourself as attractive as possible, get a nice hobby where you meet other people) and they'll say "I can't do anything with that, that is way too general! Also DEA this only works if you're CHAD?!" You offer specific advice, and they will say "You don't know my situation, this specific advice will obvious…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/16 03:22 PM
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But a party guest won't know that from seconds or minutes of conversation. Well, they might actually. Most people can decide very quickly if the person they're talking to is interesting. It's not about how interesting your life is per se, but how interesting you are to talk to, which people can decide very quickly. You could have the best stories ever, if you can't keep people interested while telling them, they will see that within two minutes and walk away.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/16 01:27 PM
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Yet again I ask you, if nearly everyone says it, where is this advice on /r/relationships for example? The sub that is usually said to be extremely BP on here? Also, I edited my previous post in case you missed it: I'm not asking for places where "be yourself" advice is given. I'm asking for places where it's said that "just be yourself and do nothing else" is said. Because that's what some RP'ers on this sub think the mainstream advice is.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 03:33 PM
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Obviously nobody is going to write bullshit advice in a advice section of a forum or magazine. So, that wouldn't make it mainstream advice then. Also, what that link says is exactly what people mean when they say "just be yourself". Nobody really means that "being yourself is the only advice you need". That's just what some people want to hear, so they'll interpret it that way. I'm not asking for places where "be yourself" advice is given. I'm asking for places where it's said that "just be your…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 03:29 PM
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But these articles do say that women are also attracted to physical attractiveness. Just because a lot of people don't want to hear that, because it's easier to pretend that isn't true doesn't make that mainstream advice. A lot of obese people don't want to hear they really need to eat much less and exercise much more. But conventional wisdom is still that doing exactly that will get you results.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 03:28 PM
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No, that's not how this works. I've said it to all the other commenters in this thread too. If "just be yourself and you don't need self-improvement" is mainstream dating advice, it should be absolutely trivial to find some examples online. I haven't seen much of these examples from anyone here, so for all I know they don't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 03:23 PM
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Hey, I said that this was a bad therapist. Sometimes, people work in a job they shouldn't do. Happens all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 03:21 PM
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I'm not your research bitch. I'm asking a question. You chose to answer, but didn't provide any link. I find that unconvincing, because if that advice is truly mainstream, providing some links should be trivial. If you need to do "research" to get this advice, how mainsteam is it truly?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 02:57 PM
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Listen, I completely agree with that people should know that attractiveness matters. However, whenever I see some advice on "be yourself" that's more than one sentence, it NEVER means that you should not care about hygiene, your hairstyle or anything. It means that when you hate heavy metal, you should not pretend to like to impress people. It means you should not talk down groups of people when that goes against your principles just to impress people. In fact, with a lot of mainstream dating ad…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 02:54 PM
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Then show me. Show me a few dating advice blogs where they say that "just be yourself is the only advice you'll ever need".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 02:52 PM
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Are you expecting scientific research on what men are told when rejected? Because obviously you're not going to get that. No, I'm expecting a few links from mainsteam advice fora where they say "just be yourself and it'll be allright. No need to improve yourself". So far, nobody has provided that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 02:51 PM
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Well, I'll say it again. If this is so common advice, how hard is it to get a few links that give advice that being yourself is really the only thing you need? I would argue that being yourself means "don't try to lie about your interests, or pretend to like things you don't". If it means something else, it really shouldn't be hard to find that somewhere on the internet right?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 02:49 PM
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You're in a debate sub. If you can't provide examples to prove your point, why do you bother posting here?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 02:09 PM
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You met one bad therapist. Hardly evidence of conventional wisdom. And BP'ers constantly recommend therapy because for a lot of people it works
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 02:09 PM
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It is common to operate on the belief that you will be more attractive and likeable to your date if you are agreeable. The more you have in common the better, right? The more impressed your date will be, right? Well, not necessarily, if you are falsely agreeing and not honoring your truth. From the first article. If anything, it's RP advice. It states that to avoid nervousness, you should "hold frame" or "be yourself" as in "don't say things you don't agree with just to impress". But more import…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 02:07 PM
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Anyway, you STILL didn't give me a concrete example where it says that "be yourself that's all you need and keep on giving without wanting anything in return". If this is truly the conventional wisdom, that really shouldn't be hard to find.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 02:01 PM
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Men's Health, Cosmo, Redbook, GQ, Esquire, People, As far as I know, a lot of emphasis in these magazines lies on how to be slim/muscular/pysically attractive. You still didn't give a concrete example though. If this is conventional wisdom, that shouldn't be hard to find.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 01:51 PM
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Anecdotes are all that you will find. So something that can only be found in anecdotes is now conventional wisdom? If it was really conventional wisdom aka people really believed this, don't you think we would find more than just anecdotes?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 01:48 PM
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If you go to places like /r/relationships and /r/relationship_advice this is the stereotypical advice that you would get, though. So show me a few examples then. Show me a topic on /r/relationships where one of the top comments say "the only thing you need is to be yourself"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 01:46 PM
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So where does it say that? Where does it say that the only thing you need for succesfull dating is "be yourself". Where does it say that you should keep on giving but never expect anything in return? How is that conventional wisdom? For example on /r/relationships , sub often demonized by TRP for offering very Blue Pill advice. When did the comments there ever say that you need to keep on giving without expecting anything in return?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 01:39 PM
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These are a bunch of quotes out of context. Some of them already have context (Be yourself to be more confident, or be yourself = stay true to your core values). Anyway, these are still just a few words. None of these imply that "be yourself" is the only dating advice you need. Instead, it's implied that "be yourself" means, "don't try to pretend you like stuff you don't like, because in relationships, that won't help you". No, show me where it says, in context, "Being yourself is all that is ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 01:16 PM
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You still didn't show me where it says that. Show me a few mainstream examples that a lot of people agree with then. Show me where it says that only being yourself is enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 01:07 PM
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So where does the conventional advice say that? Because I've rarely seen people seriously say: "just be yourself It'll be allright". Of course some people say it, but is that really the conventional advice?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 12:59 PM
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If it's relevant to the post, I really don't think you'll collect downvotes. However, we make fun of TRP posts, thus we won't talk about "hamstering" women, because TRP already does. To make fun, we flip the script into "hamstering" men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 01:46 PM
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the RP explanation for this is that RP truths are inconvenient to women, so women rationalize them away, This is such a non-argument. You can argue LITERALLY anything this way. "People don't like my view and lie when they say they don't agree with it! But it's still true!"
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 01:45 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscience_of_sex_differences Has a lot of info on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/16 09:42 PM
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Yes, I never said they weren't. What I'm arguing is that every human has the same intrinsic value as everyone. Of course inventors are more valueable to society than people on welfare.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/16 09:35 PM
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Your opinion is still based on a lot of assumption, which is often exactly what RP is accused of. Please specify. I don't see how, but if you can show me how I'm wrong, I'll adjust my position.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/16 09:30 PM
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From a practical standpoint, some humans are more valuable than others. But I would argue that extra value is extrensic. When you start as a baby, everyone has the same natural value. Other value that you gain or lose by the things you do, that is extrensic.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/16 09:29 PM
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Yes thanks for proving my point. By their very nature, all humans have equal intrinsic value.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/16 08:17 PM
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So by that logic, I suppose you judge everyone who calls themself a feminist individually, and never ever just assume that they think women should have more rights because they call themselves a feminist?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/16 08:16 PM
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Yet I'm quickly lumped into the "misogynist" group simply for claiming to be RP. Because the general RP group is misogynistic. Thus, they define the term RP as misogynist. What you're saying is "I'm a nazi, but I really do it for the good economic ideas of Hitler! I don't agree with the general Nazi consensus or anything!" You cannot identify as part of a group, but than complain that people use the characteristics of that group to define you. ironic that BP gnashes teeth at AWALT and at the sam…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/16 08:14 PM
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And if the general TRP community you are basing that comment on is Reddit, It is. When I google "The Red Pill", the TRP sub is the first thing that comes up. It stands to reason to conclude that is the biggest and most mainstream RP gathering on the internet. This sub judges feminism by what it's members do, not what it officially means. Then we should hold TRP to the same standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/16 07:59 PM
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Personally I've never said women are "shitty" because they are different, nor have I ever said that these "shitty traits" are set in stone. I didn't accuse you specifically, I accused the general TRP community. Judging by what is upvoted on that sub, the general consensus is that women and men are different, but only in the "Men have all these awesome honourable traits, women have these bad traits" sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/16 07:56 PM
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From the description he's not really cocky. It's obvious they guy is joking, and the girl asked him first, so she already acknowlegdes his skills. Cocky would be going around the school library and talking to random girls about how you're so good at [Subject].
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/16 07:45 PM
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Kill a Male hunter or a Female Gather in a small village. Kill a mother in a village that nurses three children that are needed for the survival of the tribe, or kill a men that hunts? See, now the question is less clear. And yes, humans have the same intrinsic value. Extrensic value, aka the value that humans can gain or lose by their own merit is different of course. If you choose to live on welfare, and I succesfully invent a device to stop climate change, my extrensic value is much greater. …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/16 07:37 PM
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Yeah, but these brain differences do manifest in differences in communication styles. In that vein, you could call everything physical differences since everything would be caused by the brain. I'm not saying that studies have predictive power for individuals (there are way too many differences between people anyways), but on average, I think you can see differences between genders. A lot of that is socialized, but it's literally proven that their are differences in the brain that presumably cau…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/16 07:34 PM
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If the option is "kill all TRP'ers" or "kill all farmers", the outcome is equally clear. But farmers and feminists are already a lot more specific than men and women, so the argument doesn't really fly.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/16 07:21 PM
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Let them go ahead then. Good cause.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/16 07:20 PM
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You do, but does TRP (Talking about TRP as "the general TRP community) do that? In my opinion they don't. I'm not an expert on the subject, but I know that MRI scanners provably show that male and female brains are different. I think that women and men do have different styles of communication for example. How exactly, I wouldn't know.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/16 07:19 PM
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That's also objectically untrue. There have been enough studies that show a difference between the male and the female brain. They are different, but still equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/16 07:08 PM
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I think most BP'ers would agree that men and women express themselves in different ways, and that their needs in a relationship are different. But BP disagrees that all difference between women and men mean that women are weaker/shittier/etc. And they would disagree that these differences are set in stone. A lot of TRP things contain a little bit of truth, but there are really no average humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/16 07:08 PM
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