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Attractive to me Is nice to me Is respectful of herself Is mature Shares at least one or two hobbies with me for us to bond over (I believe in being friends first, romantic partners second) Prefer a woman that I can talk to about cool nerdy science stuff because I'm a nerd but it's okay if not
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 12:05 AM
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Because its kind and people aren't kind these days, so basic kindness is seen as exceptional.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 11:13 PM
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He was a good man. Not perfect, no one is, but he was a good father, always wanted the best for me and my brother, spent a lot of time with me sharing his interests which ended up fueling my own. He died when I was 12 years old. Even 15 years later, I'm still dealing with the consequences of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 04:53 PM
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Men in some survey have a more positive outlook on imperfect partners than women surveyed. Women most affected. No, I would be perfectly happy with 80%, even 70, 60%, as long as those percentages include positive hits for my few deal breakers.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 09:44 AM
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To a woman who loves me
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 10:16 PM
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Brother same, we own that shit fk what anyone else thinks
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 09:39 PM
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I can tell you, as someone who does fantasize about having more "power" than my partner, that my fantasies revolve entirely around me using it to take care of them more than anything. Of course, id much rather that dynamic arise naturally rather than seek it out. As for stages, general stages are fine, and there is clearly a difference between a child and their parents, for example. And yes, i know im an exception, not a rule, but I cant help but wonder just how many different exceptions there a…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 08:02 AM
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Fair, I agree with your points. I am 28, and despite having zero dating experience, I've found that my preferences for a hypothetical partner have changed dramatically as I've aged. Everything you listed is effectively a requirement for me now, quite frankly, as I think it should be. For what it's worth, I would date an emotionally mature 21 year old, maybe even an 18 year old (though not being able to so much as have a drink with her would be weird as fuck). Because at that point, in a way, im …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 07:46 AM
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I mean, as a 28 year old man finishing up a bachelors degree, I really can't totally agree with the life stage thing because it (obviously) conflicts entirely with the reality of the life I am currently living. Besides, I don't even believe in categorizing something as complex as life itself into stages in the first place. It's too arbitrary. That being said, power imbalance is very much a thing that can be a warning sign, but I don't believe it's ever the cause, just a means by which people who…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 05:18 AM
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Fair enough, I'm probably projecting to a degree. In that situation, I can say with certainly I'd at least be afraid of being seen as controlling, but that's definitely influenced by personal bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 05:11 AM
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In that case, I respect it. You are asked for advice, you give said advice. For the record, I tend to air on the side of agreeing with you, intentions unknown. In a perfect world where I could know for sure Mr. Hypothetical 35 Year Old was genuinely in mutual love with Ms. Hypothetical 21 Year Old and was prepared to hold a proper relationship, I'd be giving that shit the green light all day, but unfortunately... Earth.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 05:08 AM
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I mean, yeah, but in this context, I'm using the phrase colloquially. I'd never say the brain ever is fully developed if I were talking to a neuroscientist, but this is reddit, so I'm taking some liberties.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 05:04 AM
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Maturity (And I will explicitly state that I am referring to mental/emotional maturity here, just to protect myself from being misconstrued) is gonna be really just a measurement of a ton of different factors. Age tends to be highly correlated with it, but neither are necessary a function of each other. That just isn't how reality works. For example, I will die on the hill that, for example, an 8 year old who's done something wrong, knows they have done something wrong, and quietly accepts the c…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 05:03 AM
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There is some empirical evidence to suggest that at least in some people, prefrontal cortex isn't fully developed before age 25. Of course, everyone is different, so empirical evidence can really only be taken so far. My opinion? Observation of behavior is the best way to judge maturity.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 03:18 AM
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Oh I dunno, aside from the fact that the 15 year old's brain and body aren't even fully developed yet, nothing is wrong with it! /s Except everything is wrong with it obviously. Get a grip.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 03:13 AM
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Infantilization of women, frankly. Casual misogyny disguised as care.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 02:34 AM
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Not a 30+ year old man so I ain't got skin in the game, but I just want to understand the perspective here, because I really don't. 25 and 21 isn't an unacceptable age gap, that I can agree with. Now, I think a 25 year man is a fully grown adult man, and I think most people would agree. So, if a grown man and a 21 year old woman isn't an unacceptable age gap, why is an older grown man and a 21 year old woman an unacceptable age gape? Way I see it, if that's what a woman wants, who tf am I to tel…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 02:25 AM
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Have you seen Kurzgesagt's video on youtube about south korea? It's very eye opening.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 02:33 PM
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You could really stand to get educated. I recommend a video by Kurzgesagt on youtube, just look up Kurzgesagt South Korea. It's bad. Just because you think it's creepy doesn't mean it's not a serious issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 02:32 PM
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Thank you. I swear, some people when you state facts, they can't help but be like "OH MY GOD SO YOU THINK IT'S A GOOD THING!" Like brother... it's so cringe. Watch people accuse you of supporting all of those things LMAO
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 04:15 PM
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judging by the fact it's not been removed and the upvotes on it, I'd disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 04:13 PM
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I... don't think it does, no. That's just you. It should be plainly obvious what I am saying here. A question was asked, I answered it. What you choose to assume reading into my comment is none of my concern.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 12:52 AM
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Because we stopped beating them and forcing them to internalize their true personalities and started categorizing normal young male behavior as mental disorders and medicating them. That's the simple answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 10:21 PM
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I never said anything about life long, 2. You are correctly assuming that I am speaking generally, so I don't have any reason to correct you there. I'm talking about natural romantic love, not the idealized version of it, but the version that demonstrably exists in humans and comes about as a natural product of typical human biology. That is what humans are meant to have. An increasing number of young people are not experiencing that, especially men, and this is very damaging. That's the entire …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 09:53 AM
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It doesn't, you just don't see this for women because all of these things generally come more naturally for women, as a result of many factors. A woman living the kind of life that an increasing number of men are living would be just as miserable, you are just going to have a really hard time finding one compared to finding a man. And yeah, things need to get better. And that's on everyone, frankly. When the goal of what to improve is socially related, that concerns all people. Even saying stuff…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 07:59 PM
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It would, but respectfully, that has nothing to do with the point I was making, and I never argued against that. I just stated a fact that men need to have reasons to live outside of themselves. And it's a fact that more and more men just simply don't. That in and of itself is going to shorten life span, drastically so for some, based on the dramatically rising suicide rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 04:58 PM
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Yes. What I said still stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 04:44 PM
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It's much easier to live for other people than it is for yourself, because we are social creatures. When people describe what fulfills them, isn't it almost invariably something along the lines of helping other people, or being a good friend, or a good husband/wife? That is what really fulfills people. Living for yourself is one step away from hedonism, which is great... until it isn't anymore. Unless you have somebody else to live for, whether that be people close to you or the general public t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 04:33 PM
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Heads up, I think this is better tagged as a discussion, that's just my opinion. It's a demonstrable fact that emotional wellbeing has a tangible effect on physical health, so this isn't surprising, and being with a long term partner tends to be pretty important for emotional wellbeing (tends to, before the numerous insane people that like to pick apart everything people say go full nerd emoji and get on me for making generalist statements when generalist statements are warranted but they are to…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 04:10 PM
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I want to understand your point. So, if women's issues don't matter to a man, it's because he has no women in his life. I'm assuming that this means that if a man has women in his life and he isn't actively taking interest in their issues, this means he is a bad person. Okay. I'm also going to assume that most likely, you'd look down on a man who doesn't have women in his life. So, the expectation is that men care about women. Women who, according to you, care (worry is a better term here, this …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 09:22 PM
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I get what you are saying. My wording could have been better, and less informal. But I'd be lying if I said I cared. I was responding to OP's point that comes off as making a sweeping general statement that implies single parenthood is a nonissue. I think it is. I could have used more precise wording, but ill be completely honest and admit that with this specific OP I don't put as much care into my replies as I could because I can't take this as seriously as I take some things. I admit my wordin…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 04:45 AM
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I can do a google search and find about as many studies on single parent households and wellbeing outcomes as anyone could want, and they will all support the idea that dual parent households are, at the empirical level, better than single parent households for child wellbeing. That is not debatable. There will always be exceptions, of course, but I care about, and was addressing, the rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 04:11 AM
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Ok, as compared to what? Rhetorically, because I don't care. It's a verifiable fact that dual parent households produce better outcomes empirically. There are exceptions to everything. I don't care about the exceptions, not when we are talking generally. My point stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 12:14 AM
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Because I assume people understand common language such as using "always" to refer to something within a specific context, because that's common knowledge as to how words are used. Perhaps its not so common after all, though, lmao. That or this is just an "um, actually" moment.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 08:00 PM
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L
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 07:54 PM
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This person grabbed a strawman out of my response (something that I never said) and when I called her out, she quit responding. This is a pattern.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 06:22 PM
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Because I didn't. Show me where I wrote the word abuser. If you can, we can discuss this.... just kidding. I think I know what this actually is. You don't like the word "always", do you? Look, I wasn't born yesterday. I know how this goes. Unfortunately, I've seen it enough to know it. always You don't like this part, do you? Or more so, I think you actually do like it, because it gives you space to insert whatever exception you want in. You think I don't know that? Not everyone on reddit is an …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 05:32 PM
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Are you going to keep inventing up things you think I am saying, and forcing me to answer for them? Because if not, I'll go ahead and answer that question, though frankly, I find it incredibly insulting.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 05:14 PM
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??? Where on earth did you dig that out of? Well, now I know not to bother, thanks for making it short at least. I apologize for wasting my time.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 04:58 PM
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Being raised by a single parent is always worse than being raised by two. It's just a fact of reality. Trust me, I know, because from the age of 12, I was. I consider it pure luck I didn't turn out worse than I have. If I can one day really get my feet off the ground and actually get somewhere I want to be in life, I plan on giving some of my time to mentoring boys. There is, and tons of it. I think plenty of people say that. In my case I can't speak from personal experience, because my father n…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 04:48 PM
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As much as I love AI for what it could be, (I won't get into that because this is purplepilldebate not r./ai or whatever exists), it's... just not becoming that. Frankly, I think AI in general is probably going to lead to a severe degeneration in the quality of human society long before it results in anything that was worth it all. This is an interesting article, certainly an interesting point of view, but I don't know if I believe this will even be in the top 5 things wrong with the world, and …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 05:27 AM
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You wrote out a list of all the pros you could think of of being male, and all of them are correct. Anyone could write out a list of pros to being a woman. There are pros and cons to everything, but we tend to be prone to falling victim to 'grass is greener' mentality.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 05:16 AM
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This is interesting, thank you for this.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 04:35 PM
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I mean sure... but replacing one wrong definition with another wrong definition is still using the wrong definition. And I refuse to argue based on wrong definitions. I get your point, but ultimately, I don't really care if other people can't use a word correctly, I'm still going to use the word correctly when the situation calls to be exact with words. The way you are describing the use of the word "need" in that example is colloquial, and I think that's fine. Everyone who is intelligent enough…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 02:45 PM
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Ok first... why do so many people insist on equating need with something you die without? I would say I hate to be that guy, but I actually really don't. A need is, definitionally, a "a physiological or psychological requirement for the well-being of an organism." Nowhere in this definition does it specifically include ONLY things that someone would die without... so why do so many people insist on this? So first, your definition is wrong. Second, even if you change your definition and try to ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 01:21 PM
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Hate to be that guy, but one click on your profile and seeing the posts you've made says otherwise. Also, it's not like I can go interview all men in the world and gather a good enough consensus opinion that will satisfy you. What you are currently engaging is a logical fallacy known as argument from ignorance. It is a fallacy to state that because I cannot prove that something is not true, that it is true. You brought forward your position, the 'burden of proof', so to speak, is on you. Again, …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 01:36 AM
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You've clearly been hurt bad, and for that, I am sorry. Fortunately, you are wrong, even if you can't see that. I'm sure that's hard to understand, because we are all effectively challenging reality, from your perspective. And the simple reason for that is that you are wrong. It's okay to be wrong, of course, everyone is wrong about a lot of things. But you are wrong. Of course, the way this post has been worded, it's clear that no amount of explaining why will satisfy you or convince you that y…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 12:07 AM
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Well, is what it is. Reading this thread, seems like it's going to be an uphill battle for me, but that's fine, the rest of my life has been an uphill battle too so LMAO I'll just have to find a way to win anyway. Only winning mindset really.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 08:54 PM
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Nah I'm good. If you feel the need to be compensated, that's fine. You are a super minority there, and any guy who wants a family can just go have a family with someone who doesn't feel this way. The world isn't going to change for you, you have to change for the world, otherwise just live with how you feel and the consequences of it, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 08:39 PM
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Neither does the other. At least with volume you have a chance of your time not being wasted. Men can't afford to be picky, especially average/ below average men. It sucks, but that's reality. Me personally, I just gave up. Giving up is better.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 05:17 PM
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I'm a profile reader, just to preface, so you don't accuse me of being something I'm not. Anyway... See, you keep saying "if men as a group did..." like that is a possibility that exists in reality. Unfortunately, it is impossible. You are right, if all men got more picky, we would all have less problems. I'm sure I don't need to tell you that is never going to happen. The fact of the matter remains that if one man becomes more picky, he also becomes statistically highly unlikely to ever get any…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 05:12 PM
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I'm a little confused, could you clarify what about this one you consider to be that sort of thinking? > Firmly believing your loneliness and depression can just be fixed by a woman…youre in a sexual relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 05:52 AM
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I mean I'm at a point where if given the chance, I'd consider throwing away all the virtue in my life to not be alone anymore. I've made mistakes and plenty of them, but I've been doing surface level great lately, and I haven't stepped over anyone else to get here. I feel like a fairly good person, and I value that. But it doesn't get me the things I want. Of course, realistically it's the better choice because I can either be moral, good, and unhappy, but at least make people around me feel hap…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 04:12 PM
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1) aren't they though? I mean maybe not, I can't speak for anyone but myself 2) I know, but that's just how it is. All I can do about it is hide it, which i think I'm pretty good at. I can change how I let my feelings guide my behavior, but I can't change how I feel.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 03:27 PM
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At least in my experience, there comes a point where putting energy in something where you don't really have control (yes, you do to a degree, but this whole thing inherently relies on another person coming to a decision for themselves) just starts ruining your life. I had no choice but to give up on women just to have the strength to stick around for my friends and family, let alone achieve anything at all. Point is, I think a lot of men are just doing the best they can. Sometimes the best isn'…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 07:35 AM
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I mean, I'm just jealous of relationships in general. Don't care how dysfunctional they may be, I'm still jealous and given the chance I'd take what I could get
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 07:07 AM
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That's assuming men get to choose, and really that's just not the case in a lot more instances than it is for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 11:07 PM
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Also to biology, to be fair. I've been thinking of where to best respond to you in this regard, but I think there is also something to be said about the biological component of all of this. Pretty much all of these psychological things that we experience as humans exist to guide our behavior, and push us towards engaging in practices that are beneficial to both ourselves and the continuance of the species through reproduction, which I think adds a lot of hard scientific evidence to your argument…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 05:57 AM
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Hmm, that's interesting. You make a very good point, in differentiating between sex as reproduction and sex as recreation. Though, I would push back a little, and suggest that both of these operate on the same biological basis, involving the same physical and psychological processes. I would absolutely agree that an abundance of sex solely for the purpose of taking advantage of our reward circuits is 100% a want, not a need, but I would also argue that especially for those who have yet to have s…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 05:43 AM
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I think people need to get comfortable with the fact that there are winners and losers in this sort of thing. Not everyone is going to reproduce, that's just how it works. There's no need to sugarcoat it, or dress it up as something prettier. Some people are going to lose at reproduction, which means losing at sex. I also think a lot of people then conflate the fact that not everyone will have their need for sex fulfilled to mean that it isn't a need. It is, but needs go unfulfilled all the time…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 05:21 AM
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To preface, I am interested solely in having an interesting debate because I like topics like this, not to prove you wrong. (It's reddit, I feel like I gotta say stuff like this lmao) Anyway, I think an interesting approach to this topic would be to consider the following: Since reproduction is necessary to propagate the species, I would think that it would be advantageous, on an evolutionary level, for sex to be something that is strongly desired. Every animal that engages in sexual reproductio…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 04:48 AM
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I speak only for myself here, but I have several reasons, in descending order of complexity: Simple lack of self confidence. I am far, far more comfortable with myself than I used to be, but I will always have room for improvement. I need to be friends/have an emotional connection with someone before I even consider "shooting my shot", so to speak. Obviously, this results in me making friends with women before that thought even crosses my mind as something that is a valid path to take... which t…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 06:29 AM
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Also 27, and honestly, I've lost interest too. For me, it was part of a wider push I made to quit putting any mental energy into facets of my life where that energy is put to waste. I got to the point where I just had to question myself: Why am I worrying about all of these things that I have little to no power over when I could spend my energy on things where I have ALL of the power? Since then, everything about my life has improved, and it didn't take a woman to make that happen. I'm way happi…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 02:23 AM
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You're still at it, huh? I swear, I stop looking at this sub to go be normal, come back, and it's like nothing has changed Also don't trust tiktok "dating coaches" most of them are bs'ing for money.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 04:03 AM
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Oh look, a top level comment that basically says exactly what mine did that got removed for not challenging OPs view. Agree, by the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 05:21 PM
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Reposting my unfairly removed comment here. So just don't. Just give up. Worrying about how much easier things are for everyone else doesn't make your life any better. It's easier said than done, but going on and on spending all this brain power, time, effort on thinking about something that makes you miserable is a waste of your valuable life. If dating is too hard, give up. Go work on something more valuable. You are worth way more than your value or lack thereof to women, men. If I add that I…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 05:19 PM
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So just don't. Just give up. Worrying about how much easier things are for everyone else doesn't make your life any better. It's easier said than done, but going on and on spending all this brain power, time, effort on thinking about something that makes you miserable is a waste of your valuable life. If dating is too hard, give up. Go work on something more valuable. You are worth way more than your value or lack thereof to women, men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 03:48 PM
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The more I go on in life and think about this sort of thing, the more I realize that if all that comes out of thinking about and trying to play the dating game, women, all that sort of thing, the best move is to stop playing and find something else. If you aren't happy with women, give up. I know it's easier said than done because I'm living it right now, but you just gotta find something else to spend your mental energy on that will actually add to your life instead of take away.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 03:04 PM
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Would
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 05:56 AM
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Would.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 05:54 AM
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I still don't particularly like being treated as a potential threat for my gender, but at a certain point, you just gotta accept that that's just how things are and move on. If a woman is going to take that a step further and treat me as a threat, I'll just laugh, move on, and let her sort out her own issues. Otherwise, just gotta do your thing. If you have to, adopt a mind set of not caring what anyone thinks of you. Just do your thing, but also don't ever go out of your way to attempt to prove…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 12:34 AM
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You mean egalitarian male. You slipped up and accidentally used the word man instead of male.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 12:21 AM
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Big L tbh, RIP bozo, bozo is me
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 04:04 PM
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Man, I want a clingy gf...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 03:56 PM
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of course it's feasible, women just have to wait longer and pay more for flights /s
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 05:59 AM
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Social media amplifies the most radical voices, so in a way, I don't think the divide is as large in reality as it seems, though that social media amplified radicalization does make things worst, so ideally, that's the first to go. But, that's not going to happen, so the only realistic way is to just... do it. Bridge a gap, as an individual. Someone has to be the bigger person. Why not make it you? And by you, I mean you, the individual reading this comment. I mean me, too. Even if it goes unrec…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 09:32 PM
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Everyone is disadvantaged by taxes lmao, that's what I think
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 01:59 PM
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100% agree, I couldn't have sex with someone if they didn't really want it... though, perhaps I'm a hypocrite, because I think I'd probably do it with someone I loved even if I wasn't particularly feeling it, just to please them. Does that make me a hypocrite?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 12:14 AM
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I'd like to quote Billy Madison, but personal attacks aren't allowed... but what?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 12:07 AM
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Hell no, I think I'd have a hard time even if she wanted to do it just to please me, but wasn't necessarily fully in the mood, like I've heard happens sometimes. I'd only feel fully comfortable if we were both equally into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 08:31 PM
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That's what I've been saying. This has to be some super hardcore red/black pill dude trying to make women look bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 07:13 PM
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Not sure how valuable my opinion is, but ngl, I think I'd have the opposite problem actually, if I met someone who wanted anal. I don't think I could do it, it sounds awful.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 05:00 PM
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I guess I should probably feel a little more hopeful, then? I'm pretty good at making friends with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 11:50 PM
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I'm not arguing on the framework of "good" and "bad." If that's what you want to do, then fine, I don't have an argument for you because I'm not going to argue on that framework because I do not believe in it. It's a way of thinking that is too black and white for me, in this gray world we live in. I don't whether or not you read what I said or if you fully comprehended it in the manner in which I meant it, but I can't be any more clear with how I feel. In which case, we differ on basic world vi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 09:44 PM
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Your main mistake is assuming that research done to determine if women are more empathetic than men is entirely for the sake of making women seem good and men seem bad. Just adding onto the other reply you got, I'm sure I don't need to state that men and women are different, and of course, are, on average, better and worse than each other at certain things. There is a lot of evidence to suggest that on average, women are more empathetic than men. That doesn't make women better than men. In fact,…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 09:28 PM
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Damn, where are you looking? I want to find some more of those people. You are right though, there are definitely people here that do genuinely argue in good faith, and I've had some really good conversations here, even had my own mind changed on several topics that have actually measurably impacted my life. PPD is pretty bad... but there's a reason I visit at least a few times a week.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 09:15 PM
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You are dealing with strangers judging other strangers based on one dimensional analyses of their character through the lens of a single post on an obscure subreddit. This is a recipe for disaster when it comes to breeding empathy, because the overwhelming majority of people are not aware of how much bias that breeds, and how much filling in of the blanks our brains do in situations like that. As such, incredible lack of empathy is, in fact, the norm in a setting like PPD. That's just how people…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 09:13 PM
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Women IRL are very diverse, considering there's 4.06 billion of them. Women here are not representative of women in general. Women here are very representative of women who spend a lot of time on obscure sub reddits, and that is about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 09:10 PM
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Your premise is very poor. In your title, you refer to "women", implying women as the gender, as in the general term, and then immediate use the word "individuals." Which is it? Are you speaking in general terms, as in women in general, or are you talking about the individual level, as in every unique woman, totaling 4.06 billion individual women? Are you saying all 4.06 individual women that currently exist are not empathetic or caring? Are you saying that women in general are not empathetic or…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 09:08 PM
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Ah, I see. People usually use the phrase "tables were turned" when talking about it coming back on the person they are talking to, so that confused me a little. Damn, and I thought I was cynical, guess I've met my match by literally not even being able to comprehend the sheer cynicism lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 02:17 PM
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You mean married males, you accidentally called them men. You don't do that. Mask slipping?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 06:47 AM
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Is someone going to tell me wtf the play is I'm still confused or am I just an idiot
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 03:40 AM
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Ah, so you are just a bad person, got it. Well, that spares me the trouble of trying to talk to you any further.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 10:01 PM
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What play? What are you talking about? And what tables? I'm genuinely confused.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 09:29 PM
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All men? I certainly don't. Returning the favor on someone who did nothing wrong? For what? That's no better than the bitter men you clearly dislike.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 09:20 PM
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Yes, something was wrong in my 20s, and it was largely not my fault. Now, at 27, I finally have the tools to put my life back together, and have been doing just that in a major way. Why am I less worthy than someone who got dealt a much easier, less traumatic hand in life? Just something to think about before you go judging people you don't know.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 09:14 PM
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I mean, when you have winners, you naturally have to have losers. So no, there is not someone for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 05:53 PM
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That's true. And yeah, I hope so, lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 03:05 PM
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I did. I was not aware of the g-spot myth, though, so that's new information to me. I will check out the article, this sounds interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 07:28 AM
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The what article? I guess I should find it. I know what it's supposed to look like, where it is, and what it's analogous to in me, so I should have zero issues. Sounds consistent with what I have learned. I know that making her comfortable and "ready" in a sense is no. 1 priority, so that's where I intend to start for sure. You most definitely are. Touche. Well, to be honest, if it doesn't cause me stress, and inadvertently harm my ability to make her feel comfortable, good, and all that... I ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 07:12 AM
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Me too. 27 years old, in my senior year of university. Was a long, and very difficult road, but good on us for making it. And same, never had anyone express interest in me either, though I have many other reasons that perhaps you don't have that can explain that. I would urge you though, not to assume intentions, not to assume that the first time a woman does show interest, it's just for your resources, and not for you. I don't say that in some bid to act like I am morally superior, because I mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 07:03 AM
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To your first (several) paragraphs, perhaps you misunderstand me a little. I'm less worried about being settled for, because really, as long as she actually does like me, and I actually do like her, all is well. I don't think I have particularly high standards either, and they effectively just go as far as expecting a similar level of good character, self respect, that sort of thing, and some simple personal preferences that are simply innate to who I am, just like anyone else. Also, perhaps I a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 06:57 AM
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To your first paragraph, I agree. We can never be 100% in control, but we owe it to ourselves to be as in control as possible as often as possible, and otherwise to at least be aware of when our emotions are affecting our judgement. When we can do that, our emotions truly become a superpower, not a liability, as they can be when we allow them to rule us too heavily. To your second, it's good to admit that to yourself. Honestly, I think we are in much the same boat, got a hell of a lot more in co…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 06:33 AM
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That's why you study basic anatomy (and not the haha funny joke anatomy, actual human anatomy) and idk, just do your best. That's what I'm doing. Sure, sometimes it feels pointless and a little weird, but ultimately I'm doing it so by the time it finally happens for me, I don't look like a complete joke. I don't intend on losing my virginity to someone I don't already have a thing for, and I'd feel like a turbo shitter loser if I couldn't even satisfy someone I liked/loved, even if it was the fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 06:20 AM
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I'm not looking forward to those questions, despite having what I like to think is a pretty valid answer. I don't intend to lie, but can't help but worry that the truth is bad enough to scare someone away, even if it's all because of issues I have either already solved or will have solved by the time I'm in a position to date. That shit scares me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 06:13 AM
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I personally think men with no experience with sex should at least gain as much accurate second hand knowledge as possible. No real excuse in today's day and age. Of course, actually doing it is going to be way different, but you can at least study up, and make sure that ALL you lack is first hand experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 06:06 AM
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That's your prerogative. Resentment is useful when it can be channeled towards solving the issue that caused the resentment in the first place. Sure, if it is true that you can no longer have what you wanted, and you truly do not wish to be flexible, that is your prerogative. However, speaking from experience of trying to force myself to give up on romance in a bid to regain some amount of control over my dating life, I'm willing to bet that stopping looking altogether is almost never a true des…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 06:01 AM
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I can sort of answer this one, as although I have no experienced resentment after finally getting to date (because I haven't finally gotten to date) I have been scared of that exact thing happening to me. The way I view it... well, I'm 27 now. I don't expect to have any chance with women until I am 28, bare minimum (massive weight loss journey) and really I could be pushing 30 by the time I finally meet a woman with whom things go well. And well... I'm afraid that by that time, I won't be satisf…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 05:50 AM
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By not being resentful, or at least hiding that shit away until you don't anymore. Yeah, it feels shitty. But at a certain point, there's just things in life you gotta let go of to be happy. All resentment accomplishes is hurting the resentful further. It's hard as shit, yeah, and I'm personally still struggling with a lot of it (and way outside of just the realm of dating, personal shit) but it's a necessary step if I ever want to have a happy life. It sucks, and there's no justice, or any real…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 05:29 AM
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Me at 27 praying for a miracle.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 12:30 AM
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I can't decide if I'm one of the lucky or unlucky ones, because I just can't understand that way of thinking. Being in love sounds way better than having meaningless sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 12:07 AM
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Meh. I'd love to be called marriage material. I would love to be a good husband one day to a woman who deserves it. Sounds way more fulfilling than meaningless sex. Perhaps it's because I'm 27 and I'm just kind of losing that old way of thinking, but I've given up on having a cool, playboy phase. The time for that came and went. I just want to be a good husband and eventually an even better father.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 11:52 PM
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My buddy who cosplays has only ever dated other cos players and bro says they are nuts and it's not worth it LMAO I'm not sure why he still dates them
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 01:42 PM
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No LMAO Ok yes I'm not a cringy teen anymore so that's an improvement
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 01:35 PM
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I made my reddit account in middle school...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 01:18 PM
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I mostly just wanted to ask about his flair but needed to ask something else so I was on topic so it was not serious
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 01:12 PM
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lmao all i had to do was click on the profile, scroll down a little ways, and ctrl-f "mail"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 01:40 AM
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Shit you got me stuck at step one RIP Also what a terrible day to know how to read.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 01:39 AM
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How do I learn these smooth tactics Also I need you to answer for that flair what do you mean "piss bag"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 01:23 AM
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Because it's a method of dehumanization. I'm talking about both by the way. Language is powerful, and using words in this manner depersonalizes and minimizes, along with carrying a generally negative connotation. That's why I think it's problematic. I don't mind if you disagree, of course, just giving my opinion. Also I'm not like other ppd guys (lmao sorry I couldn't resist the joke, cringing just as much internally as anyone who just read that is), I actually try to remain logically consistent…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 01:19 AM
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lmao found it
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 12:59 AM
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I gotta see this lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 12:58 AM
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jesus christ I wasn't there for that, I had things to do LMAO
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 12:54 AM
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is it problematic when men call women "females?"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 12:54 AM
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Are we just gonna ignore the fact this person calls men "males?" Why are we still taking this seriously?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 12:01 AM
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you gonna say anything that means anything, or gonna get defensive for no reason like the other guy? I stg.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 04:35 AM
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I must have the opposite power, reality can be exactly the opposite of what I want...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 04:06 AM
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Reality is often disappointing... ​ God I'm a nerd is this why
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 03:24 AM
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Not a woman but like, the answer to me is obvious. It's fantasy. Fantasy >>>>>> reality. I'm not ashamed to admit it, I fucking love romantic shit. I don't care if that makes me look unmanly, because being afraid to admit what I like is even more "unmanly" than liking romance fantasy imo. It's way better than real life will ever be, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 03:18 AM
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I literally said it could be. Why are you so defensive for no reason?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 08:49 PM
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It seems too blatantly troll-y and overblown. It could be, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 07:59 PM
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I'm not so sure it's even a her. This reeks of some guy who hates women pretending to be one to make them look bad, down to calling women "women" but men "males," obviously to be reminiscent of dudes who do that but in the opposite way. Either way, shouldn't be taken seriously and I don't understand why mods are still allowing this.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 05:41 PM
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Idk I'd take a sexless relationship if it meant I could have a relationship... In all seriousness I can imagine there are plenty of reasons to keep a relationship through a period of sexlessness. Maybe not if it's a long term mismatch thing, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 03:13 AM
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You are going to get a lot of "grass is always greener" type replies out of this question. For most people, it's extremely difficult to accurately imagine a scenario like this. I think a very sizable amount of women who would say yes to this would change up their answer very quickly if it somehow actually happened. And just to be clear, not because "hurrdurr women dum" either. You could ask the opposite question of guys/girls living a life of zero attention, and I'd say the exact same thing. A f…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/24 06:07 PM
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I'm already that man at age 27 :( At least I realized it fairly early though, I guess. Could be much worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/24 03:12 AM
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Another banger from the troll. Everyone, do yourselves a favor and don't engage unless you like bullshittery, in which case don't let me stop you from having a good time.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/24 02:36 AM
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Literally me. I'd go celibate for life if it meant I could just have every other form of affection. Affection is top tier. Unfortunately I get neither.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/24 02:32 AM
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It really is something, how paradoxically in control I feel after very intentionally giving up all control over one of the most important things to me. Definitely something I had to learn the hard way.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/24 02:18 AM
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Meh, I hope so. Whatever happens happens, I guess. I kinda gave up spending any mental energy on it. Biggest thing was realizing it wasn't just some goal I could go out and achieve. It just happens or it doesn't. Better off focusing effort on things we have more agency over, that's my advice to men like me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/24 01:41 AM
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Yeah that's on me, I have a bad habit of typing out comments and submitting them well before I've actually said everything I wanted to say, so I do a lot of edits. And yeah... I agree. I don't understand it. But I got curious and googled it. Apparently, though I've never had the chance to confirm it, I am a service top. So that is interesting to know about myself. Too bad I still get 0 action.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/24 01:30 AM
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Yeah, as I said (in my edit you may not have seen) I otherwise totally agree with you and I think it's stupid as hell to treat your partner like a fleshlight. Where's the fun in that? If all I wanted to do was get off I could do it myself in way less time and way easier. But then again, I am 99% sure I am not normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/24 01:09 AM
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I've never had sex in my life, but it can't be that hard. You just do what makes her feel comfortable and touch her in the right places. That's what I'd do. Make her feel good and then count on her returning the favor. At least I hope that's about it otherwise I'm fucked... and then probably not again
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/24 01:04 AM
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Of course they do. A lot care more about making themselves feel good than making their partner feel good. That means they still care about sex. Sure, it's definitely self-defeating, but that doesn't mean men don't care about sex, that just doesn't make any sense, unless by "caring about sex" you actually mean "caring about making the right decisions in order to maximize amount of sex", in which case you should really, REALLY consider editing your post because nobody thinks you are saying that. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/24 12:59 AM
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Thank you for being reasonable. You have my respect for that. Rare to see people who actually give a damn about being honest here, but it's always good to see. I rescind my previous negativity towards you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 04:56 PM
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Well then I agree with what you claim to have been trying to say. You just said it very, very poorly. I won't condemn you for that, and ill take your word for it, but you should be aware of how easily misunderstood your words were. And that is not on me, or any of these other commenters.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 04:44 PM
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Don't even sit here thinking about comparing the two. Say sike right now. Or, tell me right now, up front, that sex is just as bad as heroin. Well? I'm waiting.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 02:44 PM
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Well, you know, there's also the part where heroin ruins your life and can kill you.... but were just going to ignore all of those horrible things like fast addiction, horrible withdrawal, overdose, or transitioning into hard stuff that will kill you even faster for the sake of a silly troll post! Seriously, do you hear yourself?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 02:26 PM
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What is the point of this post? Like, genuinely. You criticize the "chronic black pill" mentality, while doom posting about problems completely unrelated to this subreddit? The only thing I can think of that this post accomplishes is just trying to invalidate peoples feelings, and for what? Because YOU don't think they are valid? Who are you? What are you even really arguing here? Edit:I rescind all of this, OP is actually honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 02:15 PM
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Nah, there is definitely a bar because I'm under it /s /not really /help please But no actually there's not just one bar. there are tons of them. Depends on the quality of person you want to go after.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 02:49 PM
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I am pretty proud of it. A little mad I seem to have traded rizz for being really, really talented at nerdy science bullshit. But yeah, I think that's something a lot of guys need to do. Focus on what they are actually good at. It does suck ass, but I think parts of everyone's lives suck ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 04:49 AM
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Yup, that's about how I feel. I got dealt a pretty unfortunate hand in life, fucked up all of my teens and most of my 20s, so I've been stuck picking up the pieces and I'm still only partially put back together at 27. Obviously, no girl has ever wanted me. But I'm also close to graduating with a good stem degree soon, and with ease. Can't be good at everything, I guess. Maybe I'll never have bitches, but I'll probably have a doctorate. Win some lose some.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 04:02 AM
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Shit, you are right and I hate it but you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 11:00 PM
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Did you read the comment I was responding to? Because that is the ONLY comment I was responding to. I don't know what you think I am arguing on, but the original comment implying feeling anger as being a "entertaining way to pass the time" is the only thing I am arguing on in this specific comment thread. That is the interpretation I took of that comment, and I am making my argument based off of that interpretation. If you think my interpretation is wrong, we can have that argument, but you have…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 09:51 PM
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If spending life wallowing in negative emotions is what constitutes the less warped view of life... then perhaps life isn't worth it. I choose to believe that there's more value in life than that, because if I didn't, I wouldn't be here anymore. I'd have taken the emergency exit years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 09:30 PM
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I stated, and I quote, Playing the victim is a pathetic and weak place to be that accomplishes nothing. It is not my responsibility nor am I sorry that you took that to mean I was talking about men only, because I was not. I agree with your last sentence, because that is what I believe. I just don't think you should want to play the same pathetic victim points game as the people these days that do. You should not want to be like them. What part of any of this makes you think I think it's okay wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 09:27 PM
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You are putting words in my mouth. I simply do not worship the inevitable collapse of society that could very result in my death. I'm more likely to end up dead or miserable than living through to some new, better society where men are treated better. Also, stating reality is very different from endorsing it. I am a realist, whether I agree with reality or not. You do not want societal collapse. You can't guarantee you'll be on top when it does.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 05:26 PM
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I used to believe that. But what good does it do? Are you willing to just wait around for that to happen so you can start living life? It's a revenge fantasy. If and when it does happen, it will not be a good thing. There's no light at the end of that tunnel.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 05:18 PM
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I used to believe that. But what good does it do? Are you willing to just wait around for that to happen so you can start living life? It's a revenge fantasy. If and when it does happen, it will not be a good thing. There's no light at the end of that tunnel.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 05:18 PM
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Ok, you don't see the point in society. So? Society doesn't care. Not trying to be mean, just being realistic. Society can and will move on, that's just how it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 04:51 PM
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Oh you are allowed to. And it's not productive, that's just the truth. What it is is pitiful.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 03:55 PM
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You are correct. You have every right to complain, but ask yourself: who's listening? Are you content to keep screaming into the void about how bad your life is while everyone else moves on without you? Because that's what is going to happen. If that alright with you, or even what you want, go ahead. Nothing wrong with it. I don't think it really is, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 01:44 PM
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If that's really how you want to spend your only life, no one else can or will stop you. From an outside pov however, I think most people would agree that's a very warped and unfortunate way of looking at life.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 01:36 PM
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Why do you want victim points? Playing the victim is a pathetic and weak place to be that accomplishes nothing. I'm all for talking about men's issues, I just don't think you should want to play the same pathetic victim points game as the people these days that do. You should not want to be like them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 01:25 PM
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Well, maybe this is growth. There was a point in my life that I'd have felt offended and argued with you. Now, all I really feel is tired. I don't have any idea of what society is really like overall, and I don't really care anymore. Is what it is, tbh. Better to worry about shit we actually have any amount of control over, and stop caring about stuff we don't because it's always a negative, that's what I say.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 05:58 AM
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Yup, pretty much. And shit, I thought I was a cynic. Maybe I'm recovering. I'm not sure how I feel about that. Nothing especially good has happened to make that happen, so maybe I'm just getting desperate to be proven wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 05:14 AM
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No, I just watch too many video essays. Also come on, would chatGPT add in an oddly specific anecdote about 3 microwave burritos covered in cheese and sour cream? El Monterey by the way. Shit's ass but it tastes good. Seriously though come on, I don't know if I should feel proud or insulted. Probably insulted.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 04:58 AM
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Fair enough, I'm sure you don't need me to tell you to not start LMAO believe me, from experience it is not worth it
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 04:53 AM
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I can see why you may think that, especially if the idea is that the end result is a giant back pedal from the world to give these disillusioned men what they want. I've believed that before. Unfortunately, I don't think that is ever going to happen. Society will move on. It's totally 100% fine if, as a man, you truly do not wish to be a part of that society. That is well within your right as an individual. However, I do not believe that this increasingly individualistic, people against people w…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 04:52 AM
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Referring to the kind that is focused primarily around eliciting feelings of anger or contempt for whatever the target is, usually women. The kind that is basically just "look at what this woman did, stupid woman, this is what women do." I don't really believe that it results in anything positive, because ultimately, regardless of the intended message, I think the message that is more commonly taken is "the world is bad and that makes me mad." That's the message I took from it when I regularly e…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 04:44 AM
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Good. ​ that just means that we will get a fascinating mixture of intelligent discussion and things to laugh at, hopefully
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 04:18 AM
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This is fair. I like this comment. It is very important to learn how to filter for the people you like and dislike, and I can see why you'd find value in it in that regard. I do wish it didn't have to come to that, but hey, imperfect world at the end of the day, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 04:18 AM
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Indeed. I hope I was clear in my post that I am pointing out a very specific subset of RP content, or, using your definitions (that I do not necessarily disagree with, to be clear) BP content that has been disguised as or conflated with RP content. There are absolutely parts of RP that I find to have value, particularly the less vapid self improvement side of things, the side that should really just be called (and really, used to be) basic man to man advice. Also I agree tate is horseshit lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 04:16 AM
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Eh, perhaps I am just a fool with delusions of grandeur, riding around on my high horse, but I'd like to think there's at least a few people out there I can convince to be better with my words. Maybe I should do a TED talk.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 03:55 AM
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It's a good thing I've largely just stopped caring about that sort of thing, because it's a waste of time that doesn't accomplish anything of value, which is a realization a lot of guys really need to come to. For any of those guys reading this, there is little difference in how content that gives you a sense of righteous indignation and doing something actually useful make you feel, in that they both make you feel good... but very few things that make us feel good are good for us. That's just o…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 03:12 AM
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Hey, me too, because honestly, though it feels uncomfortable to admit, being single is preferable to that second option. ...Still though even though I am perfectly aware of that fact I still think I'd fall for it, because I know my logic does not always win over my emotions. So in a way, yeah, I know that's not what you meant... but it is what I mean, for good and bad. Would very much prefer a woman who adores me as much as I'd make sure to adore her, though. That is the dream.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 02:57 AM
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see the hope is that it lasts long enough for my dumb ass to realize I actually made someone like me so I can start figuring out if I like them too, that's the idea at least
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 02:42 AM
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Not to make it sound like I'm proud of it or that I think it's a good thing, just to be clear, because it certainly is less than good... but a less than good thing (at least from the outside) still looks way better than no thing at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 02:40 AM
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not all, (though I realize that we implicitly understand that when we say all we really mean most because obviously but I digress, I'm not gonna be that guy) but definitely a non-insignificant portion of men. Another non-insignificant portion of men will realize they are being worked over and not care, which is where I'd like to think I'd land.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 02:33 AM
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actually this sounds pretty dope I'm on board, if being emotionally manipulated just a little is what it takes to have an easier time finding a relationship with a girl who's trying to "get me" hey so be it to answer the question no, no problems, because you aren't wrong LMAO
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 02:28 AM
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I only speak for myself, but I don't have much a choice. I'm either okay with it and can find some semblance of peace to enjoy life and make progress in other more important areas like my education, or I can do what I spent way too much of my life already doing and wallow in misery. Both choices will result in me still being a loveless virgin, but at least with the first option, I'll be a loveless virgin with a STEM degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 03:07 PM
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Who said it was meant to be? I only argue with people
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 10:22 PM
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It's bait, don't engage, it's what this person wants
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 10:09 PM
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Sure. Are you just going to allow yourself to make mistakes you know will result in you being victimized? At a certain point, you have to be responsible for yourself, that's what it means to live in this world as an adult. You call it victim blaming, I call it accepting responsibility to protect yourself, because nobody else is gonna do it for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 11:37 PM
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A lot of things in life shouldn't happen the way they do, but they do. Besides, you can wear whatever you want, you just have to live with the outcome. That's how it is, and how it always will be. No amount of pining against what you consider (and I agree, rightfully so) injustice will make it stop. There is only one way to minimize your chances of getting the kind of attention you don't want, and if you want to minimize those chances, you have to play ball. "Men should stop being creepy towards…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 11:34 PM
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I speak only for myself here, but I don't feel like I need sex, what I need is close physical and emotional intimacy. I crave cuddling and making a girl feel very loved, and receiving the same in return, far, far more than just sex. Sure, sex sounds pretty nice too, but even then, the part I fantasize the most about is getting to watch my partner enjoy herself. Who knows, maybe I'm just an odd case of being more of a giver than a receiver, but that's just me.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 04:19 PM
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That is entirely true. Just don't do it for those reasons, is what I say, or at the very least, find some more reasons to do better, then you won't be as disappointed
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 04:44 PM
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It's not a scam if you disregard what women think and do it for yourself. The women you describe aren't worth the struggle or your time, but you should want to put in at least some work to a reasonable degree for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 03:56 PM
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I don't want to watch anyone die, or let them know I'm gonna let them die. I just don't want to lose my own life. And yeah, the irony isn't lost on me that my distrust of women in the event that I meet one that will falsely accuse me is similar to how women on this subreddit, especially around the stupid bear dialogue, act. I don't care. I'm not the one who made things this way, so I'm not gonna be the first one to stick my neck out, and risk having my head lopped off. Just talking to and attemp…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 01:40 AM
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I don't know if you are referring to me or the original commentor, so ill refrain from direct confrontation of your points, but if you are referring to me, I would like to re iterate that it is not punishment, it is self preservation nvm im an idiot that lost track of who is replying to who, yeah if hes punishing women thats asshole behavior (end edit, original comment following). For some men, sure, it absolutely is punishment, and I do not agree with those men, as they are acting overly emotio…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 12:41 AM
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Thankfully I've never ran into any intense situations, probably because I've never lived in a particularly crime infested area, but I've walked women I only slightly know home, helped out classmates with homework, and if the elderly count, I've done some volunteering here and there as well. I do like to help people when I don't have to fear for my wellbeing as a result of providing that help. Hell, God forbid it ever happens, but if I had to, and I didn't have to worry that even if I succeeded, …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 12:28 AM
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And this right here is a prime example of the hilarious leaps in logic that the kind of toxic women that led me to fear for my own wellbeing in the presence of women I don't know well in the first place. It's self-preservation. I will not put myself in a situation where I can only lose. I don't hate women, I hate the way toxic women have made it impossible to know whether or not my life will be destroyed on a whim if I so much as look like I'm going to slip up around a woman I don't know. All I …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 12:22 AM
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Not from a dirty misandrist But for real, how hurt must you be to act so pathetically? Such needless vitriol for no reason. Congratulations, whatever happened to you, you failed to deal with it reasonably.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 04:34 PM
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Ok misandrist... like I haven't helped women I barely know in the past with no expectation of reward, but your hateful view of men doesn't account for that, I suppose. Never again.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 03:43 PM
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How is it punishment to simply refuse to help women in need if a man ever sees anything bad going down? That's just men exercising free will. If it's punishment to refuse to help women, doesn't that conflict with your statement that men were never protectors? If refusing to protect constitutes punishment, does that mean that protecting is expected? Women can protect themselves, can't they?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 01:50 PM
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Of course they do, or at the very least, being as close to perfect as possible helps immensely with the chances. And no, absolutely not, I am not satisfied with where I currently am, which is why im busting my ass everyday to get there.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 02:58 AM
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As if you'd believe a word of it and wouldn't ask for specifics, after already asking if I was specific things.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 02:56 AM
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Well let's see... I'm 6'1, actively work out ( 15 pounds into a 100+ pound weight loss journey actually), eat healthy, am currently in school for neuroscience with aspirations of making 6 figures within the decade, sociable, been told I have great charisma, can cook, and been through way worse than the average person could put me through, so I know quite well how to handle adversity. Unfortunately, I'm still uncomfortable saying all that because I'm still pathologically afraid of appearing too s…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 02:44 AM
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Oh, because I'm a man I probably have no value? Misandrists... pathetic. I have nothing to prove to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 02:28 AM
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Yup, sounds about right. Especially for this person, based on her history.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 01:27 AM
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Ok, does that make anything I said wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 01:10 AM
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All I want is someone that makes working all damn day to meet all those expectations worth it. Someone relaxing to be around and to add some enjoyment to my life. Someone I can invest emotionally into. If she is attractive and not a chore to be around, she is at the very least girlfriend material.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 12:51 AM
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Is that why it's necessary? That I actually did not know, but that makes sense. Has there been research into that? That sounds super interesting
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 11:48 PM
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Maybe you should be, you would probably do better than like 80% of those going into psych just on the basis of having common sense, lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 09:54 PM
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I mean, I study neuroscience. What about you?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 09:46 PM
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You just aren't getting it at all, and I think it's on purpose to gaslight men you don't like. Either that, or you are profoundly less educated than you pretend to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 09:38 PM
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Because you refuse to acknowledge very basic truths about animals, including humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 09:35 PM
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Come on now... that doesn't at all explain what you are attempting to pretend you know about. Do you know anything about motivation? Anything about how people learn? Can you tell me anything about how the dopaminergic system works to produce behavior that leads to a reward, and to prevent behavior that will result in punishment? Can you even tell me the scientific definitions of reward and punishment, as used in psychology? Please, just stop this.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 09:33 PM
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Some animals have incredibly complex mating rituals. Others practice stricter monogamy than even humans do. Others show measurable signs of grief at the loss of those close to them. Are you sure about that?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 09:30 PM
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"Maslow included sexual reproduction in this level of the hierarchy as well, since it is essential to the survival and propagation of the species." https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-maslows-hierarchy-of-needs-4136760#:~:text=In%20addition%20to%20the%20basic,and%20propagation%20of%20the%20species. Unless this and several other sources have it inaccurate and you can find the original writings by Maslow...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 09:28 PM
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It is the means to the end of sex. Courtship is not unique to humans, far from it. If it's not necessary, why else do you think we evolved to feel romantic love?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 09:24 PM
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And so is reproduction according to Maslow, as a physiological need. And so is love, affection, intimacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 09:22 PM
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Romantic relationships are the means to the primary end of life as a whole. The primary reason why physical safety is necessary is because you have to be physically safe to survive to reproduce. We are not special just because we are humans, we are animals like any other, we just have more developed frontal lobes. We are subject to all the same biological drives as any other animal.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 09:20 PM
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Yup, precisely. This is the basis behind learning and motivation in animals. Too many wishy washy people out here that think there is any more to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 09:17 PM
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Please stop pretending you understand more about psychology than you actually do, it's insulting.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 09:14 PM
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Where is that place, the woods? How are you on reddit in the middle of the forest? Must have a satellite phone or somethin
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 04:09 PM
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Ok, then go where the physical threat is less. Where is that? Where are you safest? Or do you just wanna cry victim forever and lean on your learned helplessness for the rest of your life? If the bears are safer, go into the woods. I believe in you. You can do it!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 04:06 PM
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Why leave it there? Hypothetically, I think everyone would be better off if the bear choosers chased their dreams. That would hypothetically be really great.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 04:03 PM
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It should.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 04:01 PM
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At this point, I just really want all the women that say they'd pick the bear to just go do it. Go on, go into the woods and hang out with the bears, who's stopping you? Certainly not men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 02:04 PM
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Lmao mods if you see this please don't remove this post, I am begging you. This is too funny and everyone knows it's a joke, so please, please don't take this from us. To answer the question, no. Except the free mewing device part, that should be a basic human right.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 07:52 PM
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So is a gym membership for a year or two
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 07:46 PM
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Because idealism has brought me nothing but pain.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 05:37 PM
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A woman on this reddit told me that loving sex is bad so ill make sure to wait forever with my next relationship so she knows I actually love her for her
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 03:19 AM
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bro really out here gatekeeping successful reproduction
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 02:57 PM
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have you ever stopped to consider that maybe, just maybe, it's possible to love someone for multiple reasons? Would you rather someone you love NOT love having sex with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 01:38 AM
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Of course you aren't, you forgot to go to school.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 03:39 PM
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By that logic, mosquitos are significantly, like, SIGNIFICANTLY, like tens of THOUSANDS of times more dangerous than bears or sharks or hippos, anything crazy like that, and are actually the most dangerous animal in the world. Do you know why that is? Because there are so god damn many of them. But we all know you aren't using logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 03:34 PM
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thats the neat part, it isn't logic
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 01:52 PM
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i fell in love with her, and the sex i was getting was one of the reasons for it. Did you even read? ONE of the reasons. Your brain on feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 12:32 AM
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If she thinks the bear will be a better listener, sure. Although, I don't know many bears with therapy licenses.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 11:48 PM
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There it is LMAOOO
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 09:32 PM
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Lmfao that's a good one, definitely black jack because then at least what I make in the next however many years isn't also considered in that half /j for the dummies by the way
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 09:11 PM
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Ok then go be with bears, make sure to record it so you can prove how safe they are No one is forcing you go stay around men, I don't think anyone would
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 09:09 PM
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My condolences. Still not my problem because I don't rape anyone and never will.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 08:55 PM
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42 days. Already did, I've watched more than one video on what those degenerates did to her. If only all of them got it even worse. Torturing all of them every day until now wouldn't be enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 08:53 PM
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TIL facts about things certain animals do that I pulled directly from several news story's is "dumb ass". I think I understand the place you are coming from now, lmaaaao
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 08:47 PM
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Of course I am. This is classic gaslighting. It's correct to treat people you don't know with a degree of caution, that I don't fault anyone for. Assuming I'm dangerous because I'm a man, that's where I draw the line.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 08:46 PM
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Ok so you are just strange ok
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 08:44 PM
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Yeah because in that situation you would be dead and your body probably unrecognizable
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 08:37 PM
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Of course I have. I don't care. They aren't my problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 08:36 PM
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Of course you do, you said men without a qualifier, so I assume you mean all men. If you don't mean all men, be specific. My sympathy for women who have had to deal with bad men is not limitless, and it stops somewhere slightly before me just being ok with being lumped in with psychopaths because of my gender. Sorry chief, but I have self respect, and I'm pretty happy with how I treat others who treat me with respect too.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 08:36 PM
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A woman's trauma is not my problem. My sympathy only goes so far. I won't interact with anyone who sees me as bad or a threat because I'm a man. She could be the sweetest person ever underneath it all, but I don't care. She can get therapy before interacting with me if she is just going to treat me like a monster because I'm the same gender as some degenerate who is hopefully no longer on the planet. Call me callous, and you are probably right, but at least I have self respect. That is a persona…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 08:25 PM
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Ok go into the woods and hang with the bears, there are a lot less men out there, so surely it must be safer and nicer right?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 08:20 PM
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some men did that, yes. Isn't that meaningful? Why is it always such a black and white, all or nothing thing with people that think like you? I don't accept the usual "obviously not 100% of men but its enough of them to make a generalization" thing as a valid answer, because it simply isn't, not when you are talking about such serious things. Until women who say these sorts of things stop generalizing men as all sorts of "bad" I am going to keep assuming they mean 100% of men, and are simply mis…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 08:16 PM
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You sound paranoid.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 08:06 PM
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Ah, so that must be why MGTOW is dragged through the mud pretty much non stop and called everyone bad name in the book, because nobody cares about what they say!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 08:02 PM
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I just want to let you know that there have been instances where people have been eaten alive over the course of up to several hours by bears, so it's not necessarily short.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 08:00 PM
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I just want to let you know that grizzly bears are known to intentionally keep their prey alive while they eat them, and will sometimes leave their prey, still alive and half eaten, lying where they are, and come back later to keep eating. Idk about you, but being mauled, partially eaten, then left lying on the ground, bleeding profusely and in excruciating pain waiting for the bear to come back and keep eating me, and hopefully this time finish the job, doesn't sound like a great time.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 07:58 PM
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so it's ok if men came up with their own version right, since it's just a game? It wouldn't make any women made, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 07:54 PM
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The very simply truth that nobody seems to recognize is that for most people in the developed world (from a eurocentric view, everything I am about to say is from that view), that world is bigger than ever before. It's not all about "Oh now they just have a choice bruh and you aren't it haha loser", that is just reductive and simply doesn't describe the entirety of the situation. People these days know more people than ever before, which naturally massively increases the dating pool. Combined wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 07:14 PM
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Well, struggling men are probably expected to do one of two things that both involve shutting up and enjoying the boot, the only difference is it's flavor, I guess. You either shut up and serve, or you get lucky and find someone and shut up about what you had to get put through. The war will never end, it will just go on like this in perpetuity.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 05:49 PM
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I'd rather be alone forever than have to suffer existing around someone who considers me a threat for just being a man. That kind of person isn't worth anyone's time.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 11:39 PM
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Eh, if a woman wants to ruin my life bad enough it'll get ruined anyway. Just how it is being a man on a college campus. Just gotta hope I don't get unlucky.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 01:04 AM
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There is a lot of shit that goes down in the mainstream said about men that if it were said about women, everyone would go nuts. I'm kind of mad how used to it I'm getting. Then again, who really cares, to be honest. I'd be a failure as a man and a human if I allowed myself to care about what those angry fossils on The View think of my gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 12:58 AM
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We would be lost without each other, men and women, that's just how it is. Unfortunately, people these days are more interested in hating each other than working together. The more of us that fall to the delusion we don't need the opposite gender, the closer we come to societal collapse and/or war. That being said I'd be dead before I tolerated the disrespect of a woman my age treating me like a child. I've worked too damn hard to degrade myself like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 10:19 PM
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Bro... "A bad childhood during the formative years does not mean your chances for happy, healthy relationships are gone" Direct quote from the article you linked me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 10:05 PM
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Evidence?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 08:58 PM
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And how does one become less socially inept?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 08:33 PM
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No. jk I actually missed a period there mb I blame mobile
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 08:01 PM
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That's just a platitude. I'm looking for a substantive argument against mine. Although I am almost certain that my view is representative at least somewhat of reality, do you know how much I wish that weren't the case? I WANT evidence to suggest my cynical world view is inaccurate, but the only thing I've found that doesn't support that very world view are platitudes and anecdotes. Believe me, I'd love to be able to believe the world is better than I feel like it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 07:44 PM
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There are only so many positions at university, so many jobs, so many hours in a day to spend. People do not live forever, cannot produce infinite value. Only so much time and energy we can put into other people. We do not live in a post-scarcity world. People prop themselves up by pushing others down all the time, as a very quick, easy way of getting ahead. Ultimately, this means some people fall through, or are pushed through, the cracks.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 06:22 PM
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I... disagree, but you just said it yourself, we currently live in a society where this is the case. So... then what? Change society? I mean, good luck. I get the idealism, but that is what it is, idealism. It doesn't actually accomplish anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 06:07 PM
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The way I see it is as this: There is only so much value, whether that be social, monetary, you name it, anything that people want, to go around, and ideally, it's spread around equally based on value put in. You put value into the society, you get value back, 1 to 1. Now obviously, we are far from that for reasons unrelated to gender, but as far as I knew, barring individual cases that will never be fully eradicated (you will never eliminate individual bigots), I thought western society dealt w…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 05:45 PM
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Humans are dependent on each other, that's how (most) humans work. I agree, a lot of men are suffering in more areas than just lack of a romantic relationship, and if you don't you can at least work with what you have, but for most people, there is no substitute for intimate human connection, especially with a partner. You said it yourself, you can "forget", not solve. It helps to tackle the issues that one actually has any power over instead of spending all of one's effort worrying about things…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 05:25 PM
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That works for some people, but not all. Especially not for men, in my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 05:09 PM
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Having not enough friends or any at all does contribute to a poor mental state which makes it definitely harder to get a girlfriend, for sure, but I highly doubt it's the main reason for most men. I concede that OP is at least partially correct, getting more friends will in fact make it easier to get a girlfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 05:07 PM
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The View, a mainstream talk show, recently did a segment on "do we need men" and spent the whole time bashing and stereotyping men. Misandrist narratives are common and generally socially acceptable on social media. Several of my female friends have, to my face, disparaged men as a gender. I'm sorry, but this study reeks of bias and dishonesty.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 04:56 PM
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Yeah... no. You are right that having friends is not a perfect substitute, because it's not a substitute to begin with. Completely separate needs, driven by different psychological processes. Unfortunately, love, and by extension reproduction, are very, very strong drivers of behavior, and failing to engage in those behaviors is, and should be, very painful, for the same reason the embarrassment, shame, or even touching a hot stove are all painful. It's unfortunate that our biology and the curre…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 03:13 PM
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Nah, actually that is how it is, it's simple biology. Reproduction, along with survival, is one of the two foremost goals of life as a whole. If it wasn't, there wouldn't be life. Of course, survival is still so far up the priority list that its not entirely right to compare food and water to romantic love, I.E. the precursor to and motivating factor for reproduction, but that's still second, right after staying alive.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 02:17 PM
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Agreed. There just isn't as much of an incentive to be great as there used to be, especially as a man. Like, I'm going to college for a pretty high value degree, but like, what does it really get me? More money, and something I will at least somewhat enjoy to spend a large portion of the next 40 years or so doing... and that's pretty much it. Not enough money to build a worthwhile life for myself, probably no relationship or family for that matter unless I get lucky, so while I have my purpose t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 05:33 AM
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Therapy can only accomplish so much, it's not the be all end all one stop solution to men's mental health. The most mentally healthy person can come to the conclusion their life is objectively bad after enough rejection from society, and therapy can't help there, so more does need to change than just men going to therapy, but that is a good start.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 05:19 AM
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true, it may be miserable but I've had worse
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 04:21 AM
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Oh I have zero intention of stopping, I will be lighter in a year. I don't use the word "if" anymore for this kind of shit. Unfortunately it doesn't make it any less painful lmao just got better at enduring it
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 03:19 AM
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This is exactly how I feel after years and years of self hatred. I've bettered my mindset, purged self doubt, and made radical increases in performance everywhere else in my life, even started going to the gym. I'm now screaming internally every day, shaking my fist at basic laws of nature that dictate one can't simply lose 100 pounds in a month, and instead I have to wait like an entire YEAR if I'm dedicated. The pain is unbearable.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 12:38 AM
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I don't really have any personal experience, and my observations of those around me has also been fairly limited. Although, I apologize, I am having a bit of trouble understanding your question. Are you asking me if I believe, based on experience, that women do care about looks, and not just moral character? Because to a degree, yes, while I think most of my male friends (who are also mostly as inexperienced as I) are not bad looking, none of us are really quite greek gods or kpop idols. The one…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 10:35 PM
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This is the copium I'm forcing myself to swallow every day so I can go on, surely once I look like I take care of myself and give a fuck things will suddenly get tons easier right
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 10:21 PM
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Even I thought it was just a tad overblown and largely on the internet, before I went to university. It is every bit as bad as people say it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 10:15 PM
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I have learned that being fat is unattractive not simply because it's not as easy on the eyes, but because of what leads to becoming fat: bad decisions and lack of health. It's unattractive because being a fat slob implies that you can't even be trusted to take care of yourself, and therefore, how can someone trust you to take care of them, or their child? Of course since I realized that, drastically changed my mindset, and am more slowly but pushing to change my lifestyle (eating habits are the…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 10:11 PM
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I grew up and still live in one of the most liberal states, and go to one of the more liberal colleges in that liberal state, so yeah its pretty rough here lmao I've had female friends of mine demonize men to my face multiple times I smile and nod because if I did anything other than that I wouldn't have female friends
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 09:41 PM
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Sounds like it'd be refreshing. I've never been fair game for anybody, I'd take it. I worry that this sounds sarcastic and/or mocking. It is not. I would genuinely take it if I could. As much as we clearly disagree on what's worse, I'd bet that we both know exactly what the other feels like. To me, it sounds like you would willingly subject yourself to one of the few things about my life that I still find objectively horrible and torturous, which sounds utterly absurd. I'd bet that seeing me say…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 09:20 PM
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When you grow up invisible in that way, seeking out groups to socialize with can become extremely difficult. That leads to rejection, and rejection messes people up.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 09:12 PM
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I can respect that. I think we tend to want the things we can't have, hence both of wanting the exact opposite of each other. I am practically invisible, and although I'm a man so my experience is different, it's torturous, but I recognize that despite my negativity bias as a person there are advantages to it, and disadvantages to what I wish I was. I appreciate the consistency, you've gotten me thinking a bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 08:58 PM
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There are advantages and disadvantages to everything. Would you rather be on the opposite end of the spectrum? Surely, right? If it's so bad being attractive, would you rather be ugly?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 05:57 PM
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Are any of us? We late virgins clearly have way bigger problems than just lack of sex. I have chosen to tackle those problems that I have a chance of success at first. That is what I mean by what I say: become better than you are, because god knows we all have a long way to go.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 02:57 PM
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I'm a few years from 30, and still a virgin. However, for the first time in nearly 15 years, I have a stable view on life. What helped me was realizing all the shit that has happened to me that led to this point wasn't really my fault or in my control. I bet for a lot of guys out there, maybe you too, it's pretty common to beat oneself up over and over and over over shit that you can't change and never could, so my advice to anyone who is struggling with that sort of thing, the first step is to …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 02:30 PM
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Yeah I know... not gonna stop me trying though, even if that makes me the fool.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 06:28 AM
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https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3868557-most-young-men-are-single-most-young-women-are-not/ here's one, and here's another https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-state-our-unions/202208/whats-behind-the-rise-lonely-single-men As for my claim of society valuing women more, this is my intuition based on several factors that I have seen with my own eyes, both on the internet and in the real world. From The View (bless their souls) "debating" about whether or not we need men to the…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 06:23 AM
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You haven't looked into why guys like Andrew Tate and the sort are so popular? I assumed you had. I forget if we are allowed to post links or not, but we're gonna find out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCCmdUNGukY It's a snippet of an interview with Dr. K from HealthyGamerGG, a psychiatrist, where he is asked his opinion on men like Andrew Tate. It's only 11 minutes, I recommend it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 06:08 AM
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Their voices are the loudest because they are the most inflammatory, and start the most drama, which is only fed into by the incredible negative reaction granted to them, which only proves all of their points. It really is a shame.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 06:03 AM
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I can provide sources if you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 05:58 AM
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Condescending, infantilizing, and inflammatory language in your initial comment, and further condescension in this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 05:49 AM
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This is what some people don't understand about "dismantling gender norms" and the sort. Sure, you can do that, but we don't get to be selective about which ones to dismantle. By all means, dismantle that shit all you want, but the advantages gotta go too. If we want equality, we gotta go for full equality, not just taking away all of the disadvantages of classic gender norms for women and leaving all the advantages.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 05:45 AM
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I don't think I'm bigger or better than anybody, just don't think needless hostility like this has a place in somewhere that is supposed to be about level headed debate
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 05:41 AM
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So, you aren't interested in reason, good to know, that saves me a lot of time
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 05:37 AM
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Does it make you feel bigger and better to put people down like this?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 05:35 AM
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Those support structures are busy getting sometimes literally beaten out of young boys being told things like "be a man" or generally being taught not to show emotion and be independent, while girls are taught the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 05:29 AM
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Women in general are valued more by society than men are, greatly outnumber men in higher education, and have an easier time dating, there's 3
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 05:24 AM
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Pretty much, and this does not end well. Young men are increasingly finding society to be hostile to them, and the logical conclusion of this fact if it continues is not good for anybody
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 04:32 AM
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It's not just misogyny, the divide between the genders in general is growing wider and wider. I think there are so many reasons for it we could be here for hours discussing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 04:15 AM
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It has nothing to do with being a right, I'm not interested in wishy washy modernity in this particular subject. The hard truth is that it's a biological need hard wired to be extremely desirable to do, and extremely painful when it can't be done, as a means to the end of getting it done. The answer is yes, sort of, but also not entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 01:19 AM
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Man shows interest in perfectly normal, healthy way: ew, bad man Man takes clear hint that you aren't interested, backs off: ew, bad man Considering these two fairly normal, opposite reactions receive the same result, I can only conclude that the behavior isn't the issue to you... so what is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 10:53 PM
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The two most important goals of life in general are survival and reproduction. Love is the human experience of what leads to reproduction, and therefore, in typical people, is and should be one of the most important things to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 05:49 PM
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Absolutely. Having casual meaningless sex sounds mostly unappealing, at that point its really just less hassle and less of a time sink to do it myself. I want a loving relationship, not meaningless hook ups.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 03:34 AM
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For me, I think it'd be as simple as meeting a girl I actually fairly effortlessly just get along with that turns into love. It would take not having to get my hopes up that things will turn around for me, ever again, and still seeing them turn around.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 08:49 AM
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I am gonna be real with you chief, based on how you have been talking in this thread, I can absolutely believe you do drugs. Have you ever stopped to consider that THAT is the problem? Because frankly, the way you talk is like a caricature of a man thought up by an edgy teenage boy. The way you speak is nonsensical and almost entirely detached from reality. How can you expect anyone to take you seriously like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 04:50 PM
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I'll pass. Have fun in that action movie fantasy world of yours, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 07:23 AM
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I've come to the conclusion that some of us just aren't meant to succeed in dating and relationships. Where there are winners, its natural that there are losers. I realized very recently that even entertaining any desire related to women and dating as a possibility has brought me only pain. Unfortunately, I think for a lot of us, that's just the reality of it. Maybe you don't have that hobby you love yet, but I dunno, maybe I am just a pessimist, but at a certain point doesn't it make sense to s…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 06:26 AM
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At this point, I am starting to believe the only way to win the game is to not play. It's just not worth it. I wanted to be a father, give my mom the grandchildren she very much wants, but unfortunately, that's just not how it works. Just isn't worth the effort and risk. I just gotta accept I will not have those things because I drew the short stick, and in the modern day, it's just not worth the extra necessary effort. I can find replacements.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 10:52 PM
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It may just be so. As much as I want to be a father, I'm starting to think that it's just not even going to be a possibility, let alone a good idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 10:27 PM
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What do you expect in a culture where men, and to a greater, even more damaging extent, boys, live in a culture where casual misandry is common and acceptable? Sure, I guarantee that for some men it's not a big issue, but for guys who already struggle with self esteem issues, the disdain is palpable. That shit gets to people after awhile. And before anyone tries any whataboutism, I don't claim this is an issue unique to men. And no, just because insert group here that you decide should be in opp…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 09:59 AM
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bad troll, no cookie.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 05:31 PM
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Speak for yourself. If you hate this question, you should probably rethink what you are doing with your life, and I don't mean this in a judgemental way. It seems that you expect people to react to your answer to that question in a judgemental way, which suggests you are insecure about what you do. For your own sake, for your own happiness, if you do feel this way about what you do, I urge you to consider any options you may have of switching it up. Do something you can be proud of. Doesn't matt…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 11:22 PM
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With all due respect, you are making the wrong connection here. Unrealistic expectations can lead to feelings that can then lead to loneliness, but its not even close to the full picture. There are so many more reasons why men are facing a loneliness epidemic than just unrealistic expectations. Technology, and I don't mean just online dating, economic reasons (kind of related to the unrealistic expectations actually), the growing social acceptability of casual misandry, all of these have an affe…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 11:07 PM
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oh they do too, but its not some them against me, oh poor me having to cook shit
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 08:57 AM
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my dad cooked growing up, and his dad, and so do I, would love to more if I had anyone to cook for
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 11:45 PM
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What I mean is I'm getting to the age where I feel like unless I get incredibly lucky, or I passport bro and then still get fairly lucky, I'm not gonna have luck with women, and frankly, if I could choose to give up, I would. The primary reason I still do want a relationship is because I don't think I have any real control over that desire, since it's really instinct at the end of the day. If I could kill that instinct, I would in a heartbeat, and be free
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 07:28 AM
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What I am saying is that the best way to keep going is forget about finding a relationship, and accept that I have already passed the point of no return of finding one that would be both enjoyable and good for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 01:42 AM
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I'd like to believe that, and I know in some cases it's true. But yeah, passport for sure, I don't trust American, and to an extent, western women in general, as much as I wish I could. Just too much cultural decay pushing people in general to really unhealthy places.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 10:36 PM
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This is very true, I was thinking about that, ill give you that. I'm just not so sure how common that is, or how easy it is to really filter that. I wouldn't know if she's going to change in a few years. In part, I suppose it's not necessarily an individuals fault either, with the way the culture in this country (USA) is. Probably better overseas, that really is probably the play. Not to find a teenager though because that's fucking gross, just a woman who will take care of herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 10:28 PM
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I want to be attracted to my partner for at least a little longer than that
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 10:19 PM
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I just want to have a relationship with a woman that I won't end up regretting less than 10 years later, that's it
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 10:13 PM
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Keeping strong on the road to getting my shit together is exactly why I think putting an unattainable dream out of my head is a good idea, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 10:12 PM
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Everyone wants things to go the way they want then to though... why would someone intentionally put themselves in a situation in which they are doing something that is both unproductive and undesirable?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 09:57 PM
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This is true... which makes me think I will probably just be better off being single for life to be honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 09:36 PM
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Modern feminist western women, some of them definitely feel that way. I would push back slightly on the over generalization, don't give them the ammunition to use against you, to say "Oh look at him, he just thinks all women are *negative thing*.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 06:17 AM
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The more I engage with these types of people, the more I am convinced that it isn't actually about the poor foreign women, it's about men making their own choices for their own happiness and leaving. After all, if all the targets leave, who will the bullies have left to bully?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 06:12 AM
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To me, its more of a cost vs reward thing. Why shouldn't men choose to go where their effort means a higher reward? For the record, I fully reject the notion that all passport bros are just predators, and believe that the majority of the time, the intentions are pure. Also, I do not agree with the men who actually are predators, which I don't doubt the existence of, but I really strongly feel like this hatred of all passport bros is unfounded.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 06:07 AM
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LMFAO homie really had the courage to say what I was thinking before I clicked this post for the first time
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 06:03 AM
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Instagram? Nah, social media is not my thing. No shade on people who happily use it, I just think social media in general is mostly brain rot. Shit, reddit too, to be honest. I just hope you don't think it's actually acceptable behavior to assume so much about somebody you don't know and treat them like that, reminding me of 4chan but with less slurs.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 05:57 AM
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You really shouldn't be here, if your mind is so set. You will bring yourself and those here nothing but frustration, so I agree with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 05:54 AM
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So, you are just a hateful person who's opinion is worthless then. Got it. Nah you know what, I rescind that. I won't stoop to that level. I hope you get the help you need.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 05:48 AM
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Do you have a source for that?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 05:45 AM
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What does it matter to you what men choose to do? Why does it offend you so much? And out of curiosity, does that extend to all expats, in your eyes? What a pathetic, narrow-minded, hateful point of view. Do you truly hate men so much that you either can't fathom men having good intentions, or can't stand them making choices for their own good?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 05:43 AM
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Who said anything about taking advantage of people?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 05:35 AM
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It's a big part of it, and frankly I think it's a big part for a lot of guys who would identify as/be identified as passport bros. Perhaps I am falling victim to the false-consensus fallacy, I will concede that, but I think predatory passport bros are a minority of a minority. I am just not one to immediately attribute malice to that sort of thing. I see nothing inherently wrong with a man moving to a foreign country where he believes he will be able to meet a woman who he enjoys being around an…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 05:25 AM
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Being a pleasant person, not exhausting to be around is a HUGE start.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 05:05 AM
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This is true, there is a chance that I could stumble upon a woman who is worth settling down with here in America, I just think the chances are low, the risks are high, and that more likely than not, I wouldn't know if I had gotten lucky or not until it was too late, and frankly... I just don't like those odds. That, and even outside of dating/family/that whole sphere, I have my issues with America, and don't really see a positive future for myself here in any regard, really. I haven't fully dec…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 05:04 AM
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And on that... I 100% agree that there are in fact men like that, and while I don't necessarily condemn or look down on them, I wouldn't emulate it. I look at it neutrally, just something that isn't for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 04:27 AM
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I don't speak for all passport bros, but I just want to go somewhere I am respected, and can happily invest effort into and actually see a payoff, and yes, to be with a woman that doesn't make me tired just being around her. I don't want a lesser to control, in fact I don't find that kind of thing attractive at all. I want a stable, secure equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 04:24 AM
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I never understood this weird idea that expat men are all predators, what the hell?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 04:18 AM
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Why does it upset you so much when men cut their losses and go where they are respected?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 04:09 AM
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By then, men will have alternatives to engage with and not need society, I think. I expect hikikomori men will become a global phenomenon if men consistently get significantly less out of society than they put in. If in the end AI actually becomes preferable to real women, I think that is fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 04:04 AM
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No, I don't believe that for a second. In fact, I feel like if I were better off I would probably just be hated more, so I would rather finish my education and take my newfound value elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 03:42 AM
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Culture is becoming extremely toxic, people like me are demonized, hated, disrespected, there is no future in which I am not treat as evil just for how I was born. That, and the economy is going to hell, Having the money to have a decent life and raise a family is a pipe dream, at least where I live in America. MAYBE, honestly likely, I would be better off living elsewhere in America, but eh, I got no faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 03:34 AM
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just feels like the right thing to do, you know? Speak the language, learn any unique etiquette, etc. so I am not a nuisance or burden to anyone, feels like the respectful thing to do if calling a place home. Unless you meant why I am gonna be a passport bro it's cause America ain't shit lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 03:08 AM
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I fully expect to soon be a passport bro, and I will gladly fully assimilate, not even necessarily for women, just to fit in to the culture. If I am going to permanently live in another country, my goal will always be to be distinguishable from a native only by my skin color and accent.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 12:21 AM
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Yeah life in the US seems to be a dice roll for a man. I hate it here, can't wait to leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 11:47 PM
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I'm starting to wonder if we are seeing the end of the rat utopia experiment play out for humanity
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 11:38 PM
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This guy is thinking super black and white, and probably projecting to a degree. I can tell you that at least in my case, the reason I will never be happy alone is not because of lack of sex. I think he seriously discounts the necessity of non-sexual physical contact and emotional intimacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 04:13 AM
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I'm just unlucky, I think. Life has just generally dropped me and kicked me while I'm down over and over again for years on end, and it has taken everything I have in me just to have pulled my broken life together enough to go back to college, work on a degree, and try to work on my physical fitness through the yet unending gut punches. Family deaths, interpersonal conflicts, physical injuries, it seems like it's always something, and just weathering the storm is too much for me on the worst day…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 04:14 AM
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It would probably kill me to know that someone I loved had gone through the same kind of life I have, and on one hand, I'm sure it would be incredibly satisfying to do everything in my power to help them through healing from that, but on the other, I'd rather they had never had to go through it at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 05:13 AM
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Is it even just society? I just... want to be close to another person. I want to feel loved. I want to not be in a constant state of touch-starvation. I think that last one is the primary reason I have near weekly anxiety attacks, to be honest. Problem is... all of this is impossible without a romantic relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 04:59 PM
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Ah hell I need to add a reply of substance that isn't just woe is me... my friends have echoed this just about exactly... telling me I should be more confident in myself and have more self love. I still fail to see exactly what they all see in me, but every one of them is clearly enamored of me, so there must be something worth a damn about me. What that is, and if it'll ever be something I can use to my advantage more, I don't know. I just... wish I could honestly say that having all of these f…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 07:48 AM
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Story of my life, to be honest
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 07:00 AM
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Same as usual, but with a recent family tragedy contributing to my already perpetually high stress. Still hopeless with women, despite what my female friends would have me believe should be the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 06:06 AM
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this sounds illegal but im gonna do it
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 01:02 AM
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Yeah, this is a big fear of mine. I am mid twenties now and just barely getting my life together after over a decade of severe depression, and now here I am having to come to terms with my youth being just about over. I don't know if I'll be able to attract women ill ever be attracted to anytime soon, but I'm certain I probably don't have long. I will not be living my life alone. By any means necessary, I will not live a life alone and unfulfilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 08:03 PM
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I always assumed it was just because I was fat, ugly, and/or had no social skills, but then I found myself able to make a lot of female friends that have all since told me I look fine. So now, fuck if I know, maybe i am just extremely unlucky? The crutch of an explanation I have been relying on for years is apparently bullshit, so now I have no direction, no idea what to do to improve my situation, unless of course my friends are just biased and it is in fact just my looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 04:22 PM
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Assuming my mom survives long enough to see the day, it's something I'd consider.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 08:11 AM
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This I've seen in one of my closest friends, actually. Always seems like a frowned upon thing in western culture, which is unfortunate, because I'd fully believe it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 08:05 AM
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I guess if your main hang up is on hetero vs gay parents, then while I am skeptical, ultimately I have not done the research, and I will reluctantly defer to you on the subject. We can at least agree that two parents is better than one, so this is a conversation worth having.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 07:58 AM
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I can only imagine your incredibly naive and misinformed position comes from a place of incredible privilege and total lack of firsthand experience, combined with a totally black and white view of the world. That, or you are trolling. I recognize there are men raised by single mothers who turn out alright, and sure, two parents is still always going to be better than one, and sure, depending on your definition of need a boy doesn't NEED a male role model, but if you think that it makes no differ…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 07:49 AM
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From age 12 I grew up with a single mother, not because of divorce or anything, but because my dad was no longer alive, and that fucked me up big time. You gotta have two parents, and boys need male role models., period.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 07:14 AM
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Must be nice to have an easy life with options like that...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 06:59 AM
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You can date them for free in your 20s. Hah, that's funny. I hate to use the word, but "privileged" does come to mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 06:01 AM
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The assumption is that it is an immutable fact that young men these days are just going to tend towards having trouble getting with women, and that while this is obviously not ideal, it is reality, so it is something you just have to learn to adapt to. The red pill content that I watch tends towards encouraging young men to keep themselves busy improving themselves and their own lives, likely out of the assumption that attempting to date at that age is a pointless endeavor and that self-improvem…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 05:59 AM
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I wouldn't doubt that it comes not necessarily from a place of fundamentally different priorities/desires in a relationship and more so from a severely warped self-image and mental picture of what a relationship looks like. Put more simply, untreated mental illness is probably why.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 05:36 AM
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I wrote this in a reply, but I would happily trade ever having sex for a lifetime relationship filled with non-sexual physical affection and emotional availability. That is far more important to me than the thought of sex ever was or will ever be.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 05:23 AM
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Sounds about right, and although its not like I get any of either, but id happily be celibate for my entire life if it meant I could have this.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 05:19 AM
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I am going to assume it was meant to read "Like a baby"
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 05:14 AM
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Women can't have empathy for men on issues that they have no way of even beginning to understand, like the topic at hand here. Sure, on other issues, things that all people can go through, but not on this. I don't blame women for this of course, and appreciate the attempts at sympathy I get from my friends on the rare occasion I talk about these issues with them, but they could never really begin to understand, so most of the time all I ever get is platitudes. The sentiment is nice, but unfortun…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 06:54 PM
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I mean, to be fair, can you blame them? It is impossible to truly understand the experience of someone fundamentally different, because you will never know what it is actually like to be them. I do have to admit that its incredibly emotionally painful to hear so many platitudes from women as a result. I know that no one is really at fault but still, its heart-wrenching, on top of already being in a perpetual state of emotional turmoil forcing me to find ways to cope every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 06:34 PM
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For real, its sickening, really. The kind of meaningless drivel made to make oneself feel good, not real advice from a place of caring.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 06:30 PM
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"Misogyny is the default" Do you hear yourself? You are no better than the men you criticize. I don't hate women, I can't bring myself to, despite how much easier it would be.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 06:17 PM
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Yeah, I don't blame young men who follow people like Andrew Tate in the slightest. Not personally for me, but perfectly understandable. I WISH I could let go of women like that, but unfortunately, I can't help but stick to beliefs and morals that I know will probably just hurt me.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 05:49 PM
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Honestly, in my individual case, it really is mostly my fault. Sure, I have had to deal with more tragedy than I "should" have had to, but throwing away a solid decade of my life was a decision that I, and no one else, made.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 03:54 AM
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I pray that by the time I'm worthy of dating, my morals and personality remain intact. I treat people well because most of time, just seeing them happy that I'm doing so is reward enough, but I worry, and honestly expect, that cynicism and overall just being worn down by life will take that away. I wouldn't be surprised if such a thing has happened before, to men like me.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 12:24 AM
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I would absolutely rather be single. Been single for all but about 2 total months of my life, so I am pretty damn used to it. Plus, my friends would be pissed at me if I were in a bad relationship and stayed in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 07:28 PM
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Honestly, I thank whatever god there is that I found boxing, because for the first time in my life, I have something to really work towards fitness-wise other than just looking good for women. Thanks to that, I have no plan of stopping, because I can't box good without being hella fit.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 02:45 AM
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Shit, even with that, in my experience its still a wash. I am currently doing the best I can to address all of those things, probably excessively tbh (1.5-2 hours in the gym 5-6 days a week is fine, right?), and nothing has changed. Been at it for months now, and yeah, I have seen progress, as I should with how god damn hard I have been working, but it just isnt good enough fast enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 02:09 AM
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As a fat guy who went through a lot of hell basically the entirety of my teenage years and have been not single for about two months out of almost 26 years, now finally working on losing all the weight, I fully expect to go into dating (if I ever do at all) with significant levels of resentment, quite possibly to a debilitating degree. I don't know if I ever will or even can come to accept how much time I have lost to horrible circumstances mostly out of my control. I've gone through hell, survi…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 02:05 AM
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Can confirm, had to realize this myself the hard way. Now I work out like 1.5-2 hours a day 5 days a week and work super hard in school and little has changed LMAO I did make some really nice friends though, I suppose, that I probably would not have interacted with had I been my old self, so I suppose that is nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 10:59 PM
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I started training myself in boxing, both as a means to lose weight and because I thought I would enjoy it, and it definitely fits the bill of making me feel masculine, and not from people knowing that I train. I certainly don't look like I train right now, and I don't go out of my way to tell people. I think the trick is to find something you enjoy enough and makes you feel good enough that, in at least that one aspect of your life, you don't require validation from others.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 10:55 PM
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Good question, I guess. I have a lot of really good friends, but honestly, I still feel as alone as ever. I wouldn't say it's useless, but man, and as much as hurts to admit, I'd rather be not single.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 09:02 PM
1

Sounds a hell of a lot like self administered cognitive behavioral therapy... not gonna lie, that's probably nail on the head exactly what I need, because I know that the way I think is well beyond twisted.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 01:56 AM
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Well, it'll bring me to not dying in my 50s to heart disease, so I guess that's nice. Several real nice things have actually come to me as direct results of all the work I've put in lately. Sadly, I find that I simply cannot enjoy any of them most of the time. It's not good enough. Like shit, what makes me feel the worst is that I've made friends with a lot of really kind women who quite obviously accept me, but the little voice in my head that I cannot ignore tells me they are a consolation pri…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 01:39 AM
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Honestly, it's completely down to the fact that it takes ages to reverse ages of damage from not giving a damn about myself, I guess. Only so much I can do with immediate results. It quite literally does not matter that I work out 5-6 days a week until failure, because I just haven't been at it long enough, I guess. Shit, anything I do solely to increase my chances with women is useless to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 01:19 AM
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You know, at the end of the day, I think I am probably just insanely unlucky, because I see myself, or at least my future self, in everything you are saying is good and what needs to be done. That, or maybe I just haven't been at it nearly long enough, and I just don't want to admit to myself that it's gonna take a lot longer to see any real changes, and risk giving up.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 01:04 AM
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It often feels however, to me at least, that its the only piece of the puzzle I'm even missing, and not for lack of trying, busting ASS.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 12:57 AM
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Excuse me, I work out 5-6 times a week, thank you very much! I will say however, that your advice is solid, if a bit rudely put. It's exactly what I knew I had to do, and started doing... and it has even slightly paid off it a few select areas. It's been mostly terrible, and still nobody loves me, but at least it's better than sitting around playing video games and gaining weight all day.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 12:49 AM
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I don't know if it's a gender thing or just a life experiences thing. Men and women do tend to have pretty different life experiences however, so I think that is what leads to misunderstandings
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 07:30 PM
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Then I'm probably good, because I have no experience LMAO and I would only date someone I had enough things in common with that we could be friends
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 11:18 PM
2

I admit I have felt weird thinking about dating anyone under 20, as I am 25, but I think in practice, if an attractive adult woman showed interest in me, I'm taking what I can get. The way things have been for me, I don't see myself ever turning someone down based on age as long as they are an adult.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 11:07 PM
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Absolutely not, I'd rather be alone forever than be with someone who doesn't want me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 11:04 PM
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I plan to do psychiatry. And yeah, I'm hoping to transform my body totally within a year. I want progress as quickly as possible, because I know I gotta not be fat to have a chance with women. I've made the mistake of having hope several times in the recent past, thrown myself out there and failed in some very baffling ways. It has not been pretty. It hasn't affected me as much as of late though, because even when I try to have hope, and trust... I've found that I'm actually losing the ability t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 07:52 PM
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I mean, as someone almost 26 and very much on track to be a 30 year old virgin, I can tell you what I did in my early twenties and what I'm doing now. I spent my early 20s working while in and out of deep depression. Ended up saving up a decent chunk of cash and in the fall of 2019, I ended up going on a vacation that quite literally changed outlook on life, then back to college. And then... you can imagine how the next couple years went LMAO These days, I'm a premed student working my ass off i…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 07:30 PM
5

I think its more like "the juice isn't worth the squeeze, but that doesn't make it any easier to cope with the innate need for juice, but its still better than the squeeze."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 06:52 PM
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Eh, all I need to know about the wants of the vast majority of women is that it aint me
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 05:50 PM
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And it doesn't even matter that I work out an excessive amount... because it's just not good enough yet. Just means i gotta work out even more i guess. I'd work out 3 hours a day 7 days a week if I could to reverse how fat I am. And no, none of them are autistic, overweight, or even bad looking
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 05:48 PM
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Thank you. At least there is a silver lining, in that it informed my career choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 05:44 PM
2

Or says just kidding LMAO
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 05:41 PM
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I mean... that sign would be the woman asking to be smashed I did it, I solved the problem!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 04:54 AM
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Ouch, that does sound awkward as hell...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 02:00 AM
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Exactly, which is why I have decided to never allow myself to develop feelings for female friends. Which, due to my above comment, is unfortunately the only way I really develop feelings. Until very recently, I'd have said that I would change that only if a girl showed pretty obvious signs she was into me... until a girl did and she in fact was not, so now I have decided that I shall simply be single until a woman confesses to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 01:56 AM
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Well shit, I'm one of those guys, but I have female friends so I am quickly learning. Just recently learned that even behaviors that are supposed to be obvious signs a woman is interest do not in fact mean she is interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 01:53 AM
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Well, that's just it then. Bad things don't happen to people who don't deserve them, so I must therefore in fact be a prick in denial, huh? A prick with more female friends than male, I guess. Look, I know how this works. The assumptions, the inventing of reasons for why men deserve it. It all just proves my point. I don't want conflict, I just want us all to be happy, but I know that I'm an outlier there.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 12:20 AM
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Eh, the definition of "being a prick" is constantly shifting to be whatever it needs to be. I've been insulted for harmlessly and mildly expressing displeasure with my own inability to find love (not sex, mind you, not my priority). Not being a prick ain't good enough plenty of the time
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 12:12 AM
2

Then why is it so socially acceptable to do just that?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 12:07 AM
4

It really is just about kicking men when they are down though, isn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 12:05 AM
4

I remember when I thought that all of these meant it was a sure thing...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 11:59 PM
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Dunno if I'd call that a lesson, that's more of just an observation of the situation. Oh well, semantics. Either way, I distanced myself emotionally from her, and am taking special care to do the same with the rest of the women I know so it doesn't happen again
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 11:51 PM
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Out of curiosity, what lesson do you think I should have learned? Because the one I learned was that even the most seemingly obvious signs of attraction can not and should not be trusted.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 11:43 PM
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Yeah, I think you are right. Thank you. Honestly, stuff like that barely phases me anymore, because it's just so normal (and exactly what i expected). Can't quite tell if that's a good or bad thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 11:33 PM
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Lmao, wouldn't know
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 10:37 PM
2

I'm gonna go to the gym and furiously beat the punching bag until I physically can't anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 10:17 PM
2

Same, gonna work out alll day and likely hurt myself but that's okay
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 10:16 PM
8

I couldn't be in a relationship with someone I wouldn't hang out with if we weren't boinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 10:13 PM
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Yeah that's what I thought when I asked one of my friends to hang out alone and she accepted... I won't say it was a mistake because I guess it was nice to hang out with her, but I learned real quick that just because we hugged and held hands sometimes did not in fact mean she was into me.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 10:11 PM
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I'm not autistic, and I've had female friends in the past, never this many though. I've tried to learn, and I like to think I improved a great deal from the first girl I almost asked out to the second. At this point though, I have figured the easiest solution is to just totally give up on dating any of them. Luckily, I guess, most of them are taken anyway so I don't even have to worry about it
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 09:50 PM
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Eh, I didn't want to list the several reasons I have for giving up, because idk if its really appropriate to go deep into that here, but I will say that I had very good reasons
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 09:47 PM
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Fuck if I know what actually interest looks like LMAO never seen it in my life
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 09:45 PM
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I wish it were just that easy to "read the room"... Unfortunately, I think most men (including myself, so maybe this is just false consensus effect) are pretty damn clueless about that kind of thing. I've nearly asked out two of my female friends because I mistook some of their actions for interest. Luckily, I found out one had a boyfriend before I made a fool of myself, and ended up just totally giving up on the second after coming to my senses somehow. Friends are better than nothing though, I…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 09:39 PM
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I don't blame them, most of them (like myself) have probably been through pure hell in life, more than most have to. People can only take so much before it starts to change them, and when it does, the reaction from society is almost always the same: further rejection, making the problem worse, followed by utter disbelief when there is an uptick in men having serious mental issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 08:59 PM
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Men bad, women perfect narrative in society these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 08:54 PM
3

Same, valentines can burn
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 08:11 PM
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To get other perspectives because I admit that mine is most definitely warped to some degree
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 07:21 PM
3

Abolish Valentine's Day, replace it with Single's Day instead!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 06:53 PM
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But it doesn't, most men don't desperately struggle to get women, only men who are seriously ugly or just overall shit. Well, I and many of my male friends definitely fit into that category of struggling desperately, and I wouldn't necessarily call any of them ugly or shit people. Myself... eh, I am overweight, so fair enough. So treat people like shit just because you've had to work hard? I know (or at least hope) that you don't mean that not being willing to bend over backwards all the time fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 06:50 PM
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I thought I explained why, if it takes so damn long and so much hard work just to have any chance with women, I could totally see plenty of men choosing to forgo some of their morals (if they had them in the first place) to focus on actually getting something out of it all. I can say for certain ive thought on it, whether or not I could or would willingly sacrifice my morals for personal gain if the day came that I could. I already have some history of sacrificing my own happiness for the sake o…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 05:47 PM
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Lmfao what? I don't even know what to say, other than in what reality did I suggest sociopaths? Unless you have no idea what that means and are just saying kinda mean guy=sociopath
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 04:53 PM
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Lmao, for real. Gets me thinking, maybe this really is how successful men are meant to be, what I should one day be
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 09:08 AM
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If/when I become a "high value" man, if it really takes all the way until then to see any success with women, I will take full advantage of it, my morals (if I still have any) allowing.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 08:44 AM
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fr, online dating is a game where for most men, the only winning move is to not play
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 08:17 AM
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You know, I think you may be right. Especially considering how things tend to be for most men, I'd imagine that the vast majority of attractive and successful men worked ungodly hard to get there. I guess at the end of the day, if that kind of effort is what it ends up taking for a guy to have any luck with women, is it really so unjustified that he acts a certain way (like a "chad", despite how much I despise that word)?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 08:07 AM
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Sources please? And is the point of this post just to say men bad? Because it feels like the point of this post is simply men bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 07:55 AM
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Well I have a lot of female friends, so maybe any of them count as potentials? Unless I am asked directly, I don't ever talk about relationships or any adjacent topic with anyone, and do a very good job ( I think) of hiding the way I really feel. As such, I imagine they would all be quite shocked, and probably even feel hurt, so the hiding will continue
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 11:00 PM
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Honestly, I wouldn't have it any other way. I appreciate the women here that do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 10:45 PM
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...Touche. I have no argument, and admit you are right.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 07:10 PM
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"Ugly girl blinders"? And yeah sure, I don't even use instagram
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 06:35 PM
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In my experience, it really is a tiny subset of young men that actually do anything with women as opposed to the larger majority of perpetually single.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 07:35 AM
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I'm surprised to see the the amount of 18-29 women reporting being single being that high, actually, like every girl I know or have ever met is taken
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 07:33 AM
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Yeah that sounds about how I expect my future to go
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 07:10 AM
0

So if I become doctor...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 05:36 AM
1

Define extremely fit, if you wouldn't mind
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 08:59 PM
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Hell yea, gonna be swole af
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 08:44 PM
1

Hey, not baseless, based on my personal experience. Process of elimination
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 08:44 PM
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Assuming that women are disinterested in being in my presence LMAO
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 08:38 PM
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Lmao, ok then, way to assume some shit What a useless comment
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 08:22 PM
6

Eh, I know for a fact that I'll have no luck with women until I'm jacked
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 08:00 PM
3

Eh, I don't know if I'd buy that, maybe no legal consequences, but I guarantee it would make life harder for a non-trivial amount of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 08:42 PM
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Yeah, life COULD go on for me. My previous statement still stands, however. I think you can infer what I mean by that
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 08:16 PM
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It seems we have radically different opinions of what incel content is. So that I do not violate this definition of what it means, may I know that definition?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 06:41 PM
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Enough that I can make friends, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 07:52 AM
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Define neurotypical... had a deeply traumatic childhood that has semi permanently fucked me up, if that makes me not neurotypical
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 07:50 AM
2

I also wish these sort of macro social factors were my biggest worry LMAO
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 07:48 AM
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Man, as a white guy, I wish I had life as good as everybody tells me I should.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 07:19 AM
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Reminds me of all these gym videos coming out from women making fools of themselves, accusing every guy of staring at them... then another video comes out of a woman struggling, pinned by a weight she was squating, and a bunch of guys just watching, refusing to help. I don't blame them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 04:43 AM
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Agreed, if I were ever so much as accused of any sexual-related crime, that would probably just be the end of my life. Would just be too damaging to my future and everything I worked for.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 02:51 AM
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Points 1,2, 5, 6, and 7, I either agree with you on or are willing to concede. However, I have to push back strongly on 3 and 4. You seem to completely disregard false rape allegations just because they are rare. This does not mean they are not a problem. In fact, all it takes is an allegation to potentially destroy someones life. For example, I am a university student, and thanks to title IX, I could be put on academic suspension for being accused of doing anything to a female student, and that…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 02:47 AM
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I suppose I am part of the way there. Just have to grin and bear existence a little longer.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 12:25 AM
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While I get that... it is a pretty damn good indicator, barring those obvious exceptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 12:10 AM
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This is true, although my assumption is that for most people, self-improvement is hard for different reasons than mine. Well, less reasons. I'm sure for most aspiring doctors the hardest part of the journey is the organic chemistry, or the calculus, or the physics, and not the agony of crippling loneliness... at least all of those horrors probably won't seem nearly as bad in comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 12:09 AM
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Still would rather be single for life than date women I'm not attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 12:05 AM
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While I don't quite understand what that really means, I think I am on the right track?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 11:59 PM
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You're wishing to dedicate your life to helping others. The journey of becoming a doctor on its own is immensely powerful to the self in terms of using potential. I certainly hope so, and you are right, getting past the topic of women, that is precisely what I intend to spend the rest of my life doing. Spoiler alert here in afraid... No one will respect you until you respect and love yourself first. So long as you live in self loathing, you'll see that everywhere. Self love is the greatest cheat…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 11:57 PM
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Yeah... that's just the problem I have. Takes god damn ages to reverse that kind of damage, and while I am (I think) doing a pretty good job of sticking to the self-improvement and found limited enjoyment in it, the entire time has overall been a miserable experience that I find myself coping with rather than overall enjoying.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 11:47 PM
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Eh, potential for greatness is only really of value if you do something with it. Also, although I recognize that there are people out there who have much lower standards for others than I do for myself, it is a fact that I will have a far easier time finding respect and adoration when I am objectively successful. If it weren't so excruciatingly painful to fail (as I have, many times) with women, I would perhaps feel better about trying. I have learned through recent experience, however, that it …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 11:40 PM
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Heh, there is no place for doubt in what I am trying to do with my life...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 11:29 PM
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Yeah, probably... also I would be remiss if I didn't admit to myself that I haven't really been at this for very long anyway. I know I can't expect to go from over a decade of complete self-neglect to suddenly being a woman magnet in the span of only a few months
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 11:27 PM
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How can I settle if there is no one to settle for? I am doing as close to everything in power as I can get while still having somewhat of a life to become worth a damn, I wouldn't call that settling.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 10:31 PM
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100%, if I even decide women are worth the trouble by then I refuse to even consider a woman that isn't very high quality
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 10:00 PM
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Yeah, by the time I'm able to attract women, after the absurd amount of effort I'll have put in by that point, after all the suffering, I will never settle.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 09:05 PM
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Then I'll go after the women im attracted to, and know I'll still be attracted to after awhile, whatever age they may be. I just predict that I'll still be attracted to mid twenties women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 08:57 PM
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Yeah, if the day comes in my mid thirties that I can actually be attractive to women, no way in hell I am looking for women my own age that I'm either already not attracted to or know I won't in 10 years. Of course, that's just my preference, and I don't think I'd want to speak on the overall "dating market"
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 08:50 PM
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I hope it does not continue, because if there is going to be any hope for me to not be single for the entirety of my life, it's going to be by a large age gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 05:32 PM
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This is true. Sucks too, because it just drives home that something must be severely wrong with me, and I don't even know what...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 05:14 PM
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man, at this point I shift between saying to hell with it altogether and giving up, and setting my standards at having a pulse.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 06:18 AM
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Eh, not good enough most of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 06:03 AM
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I second this, it's how I made a lot of friends. No romance of course, that still eludes me. But hey, I guess my friends are nice
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 05:39 AM
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I think we are on the same page, but calling it different things I guess, which is totally fine. Idk, the way I have always thought of forgiveness is that you do it for yourself so you can let go, but never forget what others have put you through so you don't make the same mistakes. Honestly, it's all semantics though.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 05:33 AM
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Would you have him hold on to the pain and let it torture him the rest of his life? You can forgive but not forget.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 05:18 AM
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"Kind" to me is just friendliness and willingness to give, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 05:17 AM
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Somebody to love
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 01:38 AM
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Someone that loves me would be nice. Serious answer, I have to be able to be friends with a girl if I am going to be in a relationship with her, preferably actually friends prior to being in a relationship. The question I ask myself is, "If I was not sexually attracted to this girl, would I still hang out with her?" If the answer is no, I will not date her.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 12:12 AM
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dont we all, sometimes just gotta accept what you wont get though
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 05:11 AM
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You think someone well adjusted enough to have all of that in the first place would just ignore it all and still feel terrible about themselves just because they don't have luck with women?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 04:02 AM
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What does this have to do with my point at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 08:47 PM
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It's a total fools errand to put your self worth on that for most men, I think. I'd probably have ended it a long time ago if I hadn't stopped caring so much about getting a girlfriend. It's miserable enough as it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 04:22 PM
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Just gotta untangle your self-worth from women, I guess. That's what i am trying to do, after a lifetime of nothing but misery with dating. (Or lack thereof, rather)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 06:32 AM
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Option A, forever and always.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/23 06:45 PM
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Based on the wording of that statute, probably just if they were intoxicated at all, and probably based on eyewitness testimony. I'm not that familiar with how criminal proceedings go, however, let alone how states other than my own handle them. I'll also add that the consequences can be other than strictly legal, too. When it comes to college, title IX comes into play, and sleeping with a drunk person will easily get you kicked right out of school. In fact, I can guarantee you that if I were ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/23 05:40 AM
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Person (usually woman) reports to police they were taken advantage of while drunk, then basically just goes from there.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/23 05:32 AM
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Not in the statute I looked at as an example, New Jersey, but I haven't looked at all state statutes
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/23 05:26 AM
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I will say this is how it should be, but at least in the U.S. some states consider intoxicated people incapable of legally giving consent for sexual activities, meaning that it's absolutely fair game to convict someone of sexual assault/rape for sleeping with a drunk person.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/23 05:00 AM
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Yeah I guess that is reasonable. I know I should just be happy that the amount of women who do treat me well is as high as it is these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/23 04:14 AM
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Well, I am in full agreement with your first paragraph. At the end of the day, that is all I really want. I just want to live in peace. As to your second, I can see where you are coming from. I'm lucky enough to have met some women who have treated me well, women who have become dear friends, and I am very grateful for that. If I encounter women who want nothing to do with me or men, I respect that and go somewhere my company is desired. Yeah, I am giving you that 100%. That's what I outwardly d…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/23 04:09 AM
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Why is the assumption that that's just what men are? I'm not interested in being a token "one of the good ones".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/23 03:46 AM
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Yeah ngl If I was falsely accused of rape I wouldn't be dealing with that, if you catch my drift
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/23 03:45 AM
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But I don't want to be bossy and stressed out at the airport...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/23 03:32 AM
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What do women who are angry at men as a whole expect men to do about it? What am I expected to do about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/23 03:27 AM
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Yeah, after meeting and befriending a lot of women, I have to admit I have had my eyes opened to the unique struggles women deal with, so I suppose at this point, reading all this hits a little closer to home than I ever expected it to. However, I have to ask a simple question. What am I supposed to do when I am treated unfairly by a woman because I am a man, because of any trauma she has been through? I can't do anything about that trauma, nor can I do anything about the fact that I am a man. W…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/23 03:23 AM
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I wasn't alive 30 years ago, as a man, what do you want from me
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/23 03:15 AM
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I follow neither extreme, more in the middle. People are flawed, just gotta decide which flaws are worth accepting.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 11:42 PM
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I pray that is the case. However, at least based on my current understanding of human psychology, there are number of oddities that could lead to someone doing just that. Of course, there are just as many quirks of human behavior that could lead someone to NOT do that. Humans are fuckin wild.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 11:32 PM
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Fair enough. By that definition of settling, I don't mind it at all. Nothing wrong with lowering your standards, for sure, or being with someone you do love despite them not meeting every standard you previously had
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 11:14 PM
2

This is true...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 11:03 PM
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I certainly wouldn't want to be settled for, under my current understanding of that term. That being, getting into and staying in a relationship with someone you consider sub par just so you aren't lonely. If I'm gonna be in a relationship with a girl I want, need her to enjoy being with me. Obviously, I don't need her to think I'm literally the best, most attractive man in the world, but I need to know she is attracted to me and wants me. I for one would never settle, out of the assumption that…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 11:01 PM
3

Actually, I do wonder if I made my point clearly enough... as to your 2nd line, thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 10:56 PM
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I mean what I said, and I'll die on that hill Also, I'm not a victim. I refuse to be a victim, so I don't tolerate being treated unfairly
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 09:38 PM
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But... I did
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 09:32 PM
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Doesn't mean I gotta just be okay with being treated like an enemy because of my gender. Like, on one hand I get it, on the other, I don't really care
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 09:09 PM
2

Western feminism in a nutshell
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 07:26 PM
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How pedantic...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 07:22 PM
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Every low to mid twenties woman I know is already in a relationship, lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 07:21 PM
1

Perhaps I should have more confidence, I'm used to being the the exact kind of guy you were calling out.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 06:47 AM
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I'll need it
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 05:59 AM
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But... I wanna be a doctor :( Jokes aside, yeah, I am actually doing pre med right now. Maybe by the time I am actually a doctor I'll have some luck with women, by the time I'm nearly 35... though, i think the damage is already done. Long done.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 05:54 AM
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Well, I can say that all lines up with exactly the kind of man i aspire to and am currently busting ass to be, so maybe I'm on the right track?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 05:43 AM
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I'll come back to you when I'm done earning the right to complain I guess. When I'm a lonely ass doctor.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 05:39 AM
3

Is it truly just that easy?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 04:35 AM
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The article is making no claims that lack of sex is an excuse for violence, only that lack of sex can lead to violent behavior, just to point that out
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 04:13 AM
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Touching grass isn't always enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 04:04 AM
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If this is true, I'm fucked.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 02:53 AM
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I suppose if I can attract attractive, low twenties women in my mid thirties, maybe there is some semblance of future hope. Nothing that I think is worth hanging onto that long, though
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 10:06 PM
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On my way to becoming that man. The tragedy of my preteen/teen years left me a fat husk of a man until I was in my early twenties, when I finally started trying to put all the pieces back together. I am afraid, however, that the damage is already done. I'm in my mid twenties working on shit I should have been able to do years ago. By the time I get my physical health and appearance fully in control, I'll have no time for dating, and by the time I am finally done working my ass off and I have tim…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 06:33 PM
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She got that hardcore just world fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 06:21 PM
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Yeah, to be fair, this is basically babies first research study, probably more so meant to be a real world application of everything you have learned to prove that you know how to do psychological research.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 07:53 AM
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i just started taking a class in psychology research methods and even my dumb ass can tell that the validity of this study is totally bunk. No external validity, and oh god... I don't want to think about the method anymore. I have so many questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 07:52 AM
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I'm a pre med student... I'm fucked the whole way through heh
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 08:20 PM
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Thing is, it usually doesn't even get that far. I don't really like the idea of cold asking girls out, so I am always friends with girls before I ask them out. Problem is, I seem to have a knack for finding and befriending only women who are already taken, something I have almost always found put before asking them out.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 04:00 PM
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Well for one, I don't date at all, and not for lack of having tried.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 06:36 AM
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I had to learn this the hard way, and embrace it myself. Gotta learn to be selfish to survive and thrive in this world.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 06:35 AM
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You make a good point. I suppose my main fear is that it would be too easy to post false information and ruin someones life, but perhaps that fear is unfounded.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 04:13 AM
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I see where you are coming from. Do you think the benefit outweighs the risk?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 04:07 AM
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I thought the website for doxxing (because that is what it is) men who have been "bad dates" was wrong, and I think that its wrong if its being done to women too. While there is some capacity for good here, I believe it is far outweighed by the bad, in both cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 03:50 AM
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Indeed, and I'd add that failure is rarely the end if you don't want it to be, something I have learned first hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 03:46 AM
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You make a good point with those first two lines actually, brilliantly put. I'm hoping that my successes start compounding faster than my failures here real soon, lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 03:34 AM
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I got plenty of college left, but so far, dating has been utterly non existent. I would say I have given up hope, but the hope refuses to die, despite my best efforts to exterminate it. If college really is the best time for dating, my hope needs to die real fast.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 03:31 AM
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Can confirm, am friends with tons of women and it hasn't magically fixed all the problems I have with dating and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 03:11 AM
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I'm very curious what you mean by headed for trouble, if you don't mind elaborating.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 03:10 AM
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Why do all these "useful" things have to be mutually exclusive with video gaming? Obviously not everyone is like me, but if you have the time to spare, why not spend it doing something you enjoy? I get my studying done, I hang out with my friends plenty enough (playing video games with them frequently enough in fact), I work out for an hour or two a few times a week, and I still have plenty of time. If you are fortunate enough to have spare time, as I assume a fair few are (and I have infinite r…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 11:33 PM
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Yeah, not interested in being held in suspicion just because of my gender. While I feel for people, especially women, ultimately I have decided that while I won't just completely refuse to speak to people who would see me as suspicious or dangerous because I am a man, I will refuse to engage in any conversation that involves me explicitly or implicitly falsely identifying myself or my gender as anything inherently negative.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/23 08:40 PM
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Unfortunately, it's true that online spaces where a lot of men who've been hurt congregate can easily devolve into circlejerking and confirmation bias. Fortunately, there are still spaces where the focus is actually on self-improvement rather than wallowing in hatred and self-pity, and I attribute some of my recent self-improvement to spaces like that. Sadly there are a lot of men online who are just caught up in all the bullshit, but I think there are plenty like me who are actually looking for…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 06:30 AM
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My life from about 12 to 23 was a living hell. That's why I am the way that I am, not because I "didn't face adversity". I'd say I faced a lot more than average, and unfortunately, I used to let it crush me. You could even say these days I'm facing even more adversity trying to run a race not only from last place but having started well before the start line. Not to make myself sound like a victim, though, because I have no intention of losing said race.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 07:30 AM
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Lmao @ assuming that just because someone is white, they don't experience adversity.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 07:26 AM
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Yeah, if after another decade I still for some reason think that's a good idea...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 02:10 AM
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Perhaps. I also wouldn't feel great raising the kid in a single parent household, based on how much I know about how damaging that can be. Unfortunately, the data supports the theory that children need a mother and a father present at home to have the best chance of developing properly.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 06:19 PM
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Unfortunately I fully understand this. I don't think I'm capable of fully trusting another human, period. I keep at least some level of distance between myself and all of my friends these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 06:10 PM
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I do see women as equals, despite often enough being made to feel like I am less than. Second questions, I do, because I have. I know some very intelligent women who are just as gifted in my subject of choice in school as I am. I expect to do all the work at home because I'ma be single for life lmao. Serious answer, depends on how much I am working compared to her. I plan to be a doctor, so if I ever do get into a relationship, it may simply be impossible for me to do so without completely break…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 04:54 PM
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Eh, I'm just not interested in that kind of thing. Maybe I used to be, but not anymore. I just wanted an intimate, romantic relationship, but after the things I've been through, I can't justify wasting a bunch of time trying and failing to find a good woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 04:22 PM
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Eh, just gonna be too little too late. I know I won't have any interest in most women, or at least most western women. I'm going to be far too busy for bullshit and games.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 04:16 PM
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I do, honestly. Not just for my mom, but because I just want kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 04:08 PM
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Man, in my experience, women are always taken period. Legit the token male friend in a decent size all female friend group and I'm pretty sure I'm the only single lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 08:28 AM
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Well, I have several debilitating emotional scars, but also a fair few friends, many of which are female, and I got into my first choice university and get to study neuroscience with the intention of becoming a psychiatrist so I can both help broken people like myself and make a ton of money doing it, so I guess it could have been worse. And yes, it took YEARS of therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 08:23 AM
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Father kicked the bucket when I was 12, that's the big one. Spent a fair bit of 8th grade locked in a room alone because I couldn't bring myself to go to class but state law prohibited me from just not going to school. Got involved for the first and so far only time with a girl when I was a freshman in high school, and that ended up being a massive mistake. It gets less severe from there thankfully, but there's plenty more! I consider it a miracle that I even made it to university in the first p…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 08:15 AM
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The reasons for my lack of experience can't really be treated, sadly. Just a lot of intense tragedy in my younger years, that I'd like to think I've come to terms with the best I can. At this point, I just really believe I'm better off without, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 08:06 AM
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Close to 26.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 08:03 AM
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This is an interesting read. Honestly, reading these replies, I'm not sure if I should breathe a sigh of relief or just be sad. At the very least, just more reason to accept a life of total abstinence from romance.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 08:00 AM
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I wish that having a family was actually a reasonable goal... I truly do want children. I just can't justify the risks that are involved with starting a family, or shit, attract a woman with whom to start a family with in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 07:56 AM
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100%. So far I've found it so much easier to see success in my schooling than it ever was with women. Hoping it continues so I can get into med school and get a 200k+ salary so I never have money issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 07:04 AM
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Curious as to what you mean, and I think it could start an interesting discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 06:56 AM
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Same boat, you and I. My mom has had a rough life and she just really wants grandkids. I wish that the world were different so I could do that for her. Best I can do is work really hard and get a really well paying job so I can make sure she wants for nothing else when she's elderly.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 06:53 AM
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I just tell my mom that I plan on marrying eventually and having kids so she can be happy and hope. I feel very conflicted about it. On one hand, what I tell her I plan to do is what I would do if the world were a little different, but on the other, the reality is I'm probably just straight up lying to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 06:31 AM
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I agree to a degree with this statement, and a lot of time it can feel good to do good things, but at a certain point it can and does get exhausting. There are plenty of times where I just find myself unable to muster anything else to give.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 06:19 AM
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Like a lot of people here are saying, 100% depends on why. I'd want to get an idea of whether she just prefers her own company, or if she displays noticeable anti-social traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 03:07 AM
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What is this about "activism"? Are you even reading my comments?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 09:21 PM
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What does that have to do with the government and gaining from it? Nothing, that's the answer. That's just something we have to live with as men. It's not women's fault, it's not society's fault, it's just basic biology. Yeah, it's horrifically painful, as I well know, but you just have to come to terms with that or you'll never get away from the pain.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 09:19 PM
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Not worth worrying about something you can't do anything about. And what government benefits? Or women a government benefit? If all I'm doing is living a normal life, just without trying to date women, what else am I losing out on?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 08:53 PM
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More men should. Get away from the pointless game of trying to appease society and appease women, and put that effort somewhere you actually stand to gain anything. Why invest so much into just hurting yourself?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 08:47 PM
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Agreed, can't have division of labor without everyone relying on each other to some degree, and without division of labor, we wouldn't have modern technology and society.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 08:46 PM
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Eh, I'm not working to become successful to appease society or make women like me. Somewhat the opposite, actually. I just want money and a career I like so I can spend my time and money on things that are actually worth the investment, things that won't just cause me nothing but turmoil and pain. I think this is how it should be. We all have to rely on the collective society to some degree, and that includes both genders. The opportunity to have a nice career is a function of relying on the col…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 08:39 PM
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Hey, better than the alternative. Not that you'd understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 07:53 AM
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Well, with any luck, I don't have to worry much longer. Not because I expect success, but because I'm trying to convince myself to just give up.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 07:48 AM
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I don't think it's always that easy. I have tons of friends, many of which are women, work out, bust ass in school, do my best to take care of myself, and have completely turned around my ability to talk to people. Still never really dated or had any sort of relationship with a woman more than close friendship.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 07:26 AM
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All I expect in return for my kindness is to not be horrible to me in return, which thankfully rarely happens. Also tbh I know exactly why I couldn't dates, but women were always saying I was wrong, and it's my weight. I'm not gonna die young anymore though because I'm working on it, thank god.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 06:47 AM
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If my personality is the problem... I can't really think of any way to be better to people without it becoming embarrassing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 06:34 AM
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Is it really that easy? Same age, friends, many of which are women, that gravitate to me probably because I went out of my way to help them, and still nothing. Honestly, my friends would probably be pretty hurt if they knew about some of the feelings I keep to myself. Like, I try to be a good person, but I can only give so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 05:26 AM
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Oh I have no trouble connecting with people. I have way more friends than I ever thought I'd have, and many are women. They are important to me and I think I'm important to them, but ultimately, money is the least likely to betray me later
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 04:49 AM
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Honestly, so far, stepping up has been a mediocre experience at best compared to wallowing. Doing just about everything I could think of to improve my life. Slowly getting ready to reach the top, become someone with a lot of real value, and sit there alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 04:25 AM
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I hope I can achieve this myself. I want to be done with women so bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 04:14 AM
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If I could just be rid of my biological drive towards women, my life would be complete
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 04:11 AM
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Good god, the platitudes
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 04:08 AM
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I wouldn't demand or even ask for empathy, but I think understanding would benefit both men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 11:40 PM
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Did I say everyone should care? I can't defend or provide answers for a position I don't hold.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 11:33 PM
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If/when I'm finally good enough to attract women, after all the work I will have done to build myself up, I'm going to be looking for women I find attractive, and refusing to settle. If that means I end up only wanting to date younger girls, that's what I plan to do. No settling, no compromise, not when I'm successful.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 11:27 PM
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You aren't worth engaging with.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 11:23 PM
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What, are you just here to be cruel to men? Doesn't have to be your problem, sure, and I'm not asking for pity. I'm just telling it like it is. Frankly, this attitude only justifies the problems men have with society.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 11:17 PM
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I just wish I was asexual and aromantic. Life would be so much less painful.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 08:07 PM
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Ah, I suppose I see what you mean, although I don't necessarily understand it. That is fine, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 07:49 PM
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I read the entire post, and I don't get that impression at all. OP just seems like a normal dude with self-esteem issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 07:42 PM
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For one, many men who are feeling this way probably aren't dating at all, I know I'm not. Secondly, what is the purpose of this second sentence? Why so immediately judgemental? Where in OP's post is there any indicator that all he wants is a "mommy mcbangmaid"? I realize this men absolutely exist and are seen on the daily on this subreddit, and I imagine that we are in full agreement that they are misguided at best and terrible people at worst, but I see no reason on this post specifically for s…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 07:36 PM
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Oh, I see what you meant, my apologies. I'm not sure, I hope it's innate. I don't think it matters. At the end of the day, I refuse to victimize anybody for any need of mine, no matter how painful. That just isn't something that is going to happen. Living with that guilt, I imagine, would simply be even worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 07:14 PM
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I strongly doubt you would even begin to qualify to make that judgement. If either of us did, it would be the one living it. Besides, does it matter? Would you say that depending on the source of that pain, its validity changes?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 07:00 PM
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I 100% agree with your primary claim, obviously, because I'm not a sexual predator. However, and perhaps this should be a post of it's own, but I really don't believe that women can or do truly understand the sheer severity of the pain a lot of frustrated and lonely men feel. I don't blame you for this, and I appreciate that you are likely trying to understand and help, but I do not believe that reddit posts taking a stand against sex crimes are the way to do it. There is no debate to be had aro…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 06:55 PM
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I mean, I think you severely underestimate the sheer intensity of the biological drive men feel towards women. For the record, I would rather feel the intense pain of that drive not being fulfilled than do anything to fulfill it that would hurt a woman. And when I say intense pain, I'm not bullshitting, or catastrophizing, or embellishing. I mean severe psychological pain that is better some days, and absolutely debilitating other days. I am not asking you or any other woman to feel sorry for me…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 06:41 PM
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It seems to me that true male autonomy would only be possible without the biological drive towards women
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 06:27 PM
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Life would be so much better if it felt optional.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 05:59 PM
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Then too bad for them, don't give any resources to people you aren't getting anything of value back from.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 05:47 PM
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Exactly, this is how it should be. If you aren't getting what you want/anything of value from women, don't give anything of value to women. If playing the game is resulting in nothing but loss, don't play.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 05:47 PM
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I'd like to add to this, and perhaps you agree, but simply being broke isn't necessarily an issue: the reason why a woman is broke is. Is she broke because she's just working hard to barely make ends meet, or is she broke because she spent all her money on useless crap? Is she just between jobs, or is she simply unmotivated?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 08:55 AM
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I've met at least two, so I can confirm they exist and are present here.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 08:50 AM
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Wouldn't that be nice? If I didn't feel attracted to women I'd be so much happier and successful.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 08:40 AM
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Why wouldn't it be? It's not wrong to feel disappointment in response to rejection, period. Age is a non factor here.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 05:58 AM
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Best way to win the broken game is to not play!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 05:57 AM
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This has to be a troll post
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 05:56 AM
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So long as this goes both ways, this is the right answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 01:23 AM
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It was the worry that this would be my future that I decided to do everything I could to suppress my needs relating to intimacy. It has been and continues to be very difficult, but it sounds like overall, you got a lot of other things going for you. Keep up the hard work and make something great of yourself, and quit listening to people who spout empty platitudes. Life is a battle, but I can tell you got the strength to come out on top, even if a woman isn't a part of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 11:04 PM
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Calling people incels for feeling a certain way accomplishes nothing. You don't have to agree with it, and I don't, but I stand by my belief that people are entitled to their feelings, as long as they aren't acting on them in a negative way. Otherwise, I completely agree with you, and believe that is how it should be.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 10:44 PM
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As with most things, not all, or likely even what I would call many, but some.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 10:19 PM
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It hurts to watch guys still trying to play a game they have no hope of winning, especially because I used to be one of them, and sometimes, feel like I still am. More guys need to learn when to quit and go work on something they actually have a chance of succeeding at.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 09:34 PM
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IMO, the way things are these days, this is the way it should be. I'm sure I don't have to say this, but you should not give to others if you aren't getting anything back. You have every right to feel anger towards women, although, and I do not mean to assume what you are or aren't doing, I hope that you are moreso channeling that anger towards making other parts of your life better. The way I see it, if the game is causing you nothing but strife, best way to win is to not play.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 09:29 PM
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Eh, after what I've been through and the sheer amount of work I plan to put into myself before I even consider thinking about women again, I'll only be looking for relationships worth my time.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 08:30 PM
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Touche, I admit I shouldn't assume things like that just based on opinions you share online, so I apologize for that. Either way, live the way you want to live, and I'm sure I don't have to say this, but definitely don't let society tell you how to live.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 08:21 PM
2

What about my response makes you think I am complaining about you? At the end of the day, what you do doesn't matter to me, I just think you are choosing a path that will result in needless pain. If that is what you want, then go for it I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 07:24 PM
-1

I didn't say it does, and what does that line of thinking accomplish? Do you believe that dwelling on how much better your life would be with an SO is going to make things better?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 06:19 PM
28

Is spending all your time playing a social game you have no chance of winning more satisfying?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 05:45 PM
1

I entirely get where you are coming from, and yeah, the people who just repeat the same, tired platitudes get really irritating. However, I disagree quite a bit with your conclusion. Like many other commenters are pointing out, it's totally unhealthy to base your life and self worth entirely around women. In my opinion, the advice of "work on yourself", at least when it comes from someone with a brain instead of an NPC parrot, means to focus less on attracting women, an endeavor that for the maj…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 05:39 PM
2

Thank you very much. I do as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 03:57 PM
0

Hey, better than nothing
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 03:56 PM
2

Isn't it just the coolest? I could literally talk about and study neuroscience all day.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 03:55 PM
1

Physical attraction for me can be a pretty all or nothing sort of thing, I think. There's a certain threshold for me where below, I would never consider dating or being intimate at all with, but once that threshold is crossed, physical attraction is just there, and while obviously very physically attractive women are nice, when considering potential for intimacy, personality begins to matter significantly more. Put simply, I'd be far more attracted to and desire intimacy far more from a girl wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 07:36 AM
8

Neuroscience. And yes, i hope so as well. A lot of men (people in general really) who are lost and need to find some reason to live, but looking in all the wrong places. Also, I have to add for anyone reading this, it's not like suddenly you find your purpose and everything is better and sunshine and rainbows. You will wrestle with the pain, loneliness, envy, and whatever else on a daily basis. I don't expect that I will ever truly "get over" the things that have happened to me that led me to ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 07:07 AM
3

Honestly, I'd say a mixture of finding the best, least hateful and counter productive RP content and taking those lessons to heart and dumb luck. At some point I decided that I just had to focus all my energy less on wasting time with endeavors that resulted only in pain and instead on working out, taking my education seriously, and being a good friend to the people I am lucky enough to call friends. Got a lucky break when I started university this last fall, got one of the best teachers in a pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 07:02 AM
3

So many men just setting themselves up for failure and disappointment, putting everything towards the singular goal of "acquire woman". Always goes badly, and reinforces the beliefs that led them to that point. It's so god damn sad to see from the outside, having been one of those men a short enough time ago to vividly remember.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 06:48 AM
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I mean, I'm not working my ass off to get educated and get a good job to make tons of money just so I can get a wife, I'm doing it for the money and self satisfaction. I guess it'd be nice if one day I wasn't dismissed by society as a whole and ignored by most women, but I'm not working for that. Ima just keep doing my thing making the best of myself I can and anyone who wants to come along for the ride can I guess I implore you to look inward, and find something other than women to work towards…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 06:41 AM
3

My father passed away when I was young, and while my many uncles were there for me the best they could, I became an adult with a lot less knowledge of how to be a man than I'd have liked to. My emotional growth was definitely stunted as a result, but hey, things are way better these days. My number one goal as a future father is to be far more present in my children's lives than mine ever was, and to make sure that by the time they have to bury me, they have families of their own to support them…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 10:39 PM
3

... bruh. Ok, I'm not engaging any further.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 04:07 PM
2

Did we watch the same clip? All of what I watched him say is stuff that has been studied before, and generally supported
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 03:57 PM
1

...Buddy. In response to this comment: "Men who grow up without a father have good odds of staying parasites for their whole life." You replied: "Not true really , some of the best people who have done well for themselves had to struggle when young. So they did better and excelled cause they're character developed through struggle and difficulty.. Seems from observation in life alot of intact families produce coddled, selfish brats that think they are entitled for everything. Unless the parents …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 12:40 AM
1

What on earth are you trying to argue? All I am arguing on, and all I have interest in arguing on, is your statement that men who grow up in families without fathers don't have it worse than those who grow up in good families. This is the only statement I have given my opinion on, and the only one I will.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 12:20 AM
3

I think I can answer your 2nd paragraph to a degree. While I agree that the woman bashing and misogyny that can occur in mgtow spaces is really not productive, I think that hobbies/all that stuff you brought up tend to have their own discussion places. I wouldn't expect mgtow spaces to be the only places mgtow men socialize, after all, although I think there should be far more of a focus on sharing life experience in objective manners, improving one's self, and generally supporting eachother mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 09:52 PM
1

At least I have my friends I guess...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 09:44 PM
0

These are not mutually exclusive things
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 08:44 PM
1

Well shit most of my friends are women and I'm still doing nothing but struggling
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 07:40 PM
1

Me being single my whole life
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 07:38 PM
1

I am in my mid twenties, and my relationship with romance has been nothing but negative. Not that a bunch of anecdotal evidence proves empirically that men as a whole struggle to get sex/relationships, of course, so really, this question can't necessarily be answered unless a lot of research is done.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 07:35 PM
0

Yeah, this is not reflected in data, children growing up in single parent households are on average more likely to experience all sorts of problems, from difficulties with school (bad performance, delinquency, etc.) to trouble with interpersonal relationship problems, to drug use. It's not pretty.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 07:07 PM
1

I'd have to watch it later, since I'm out right now sadly
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/23 07:33 PM
3

My best guess is that, like many things, it all depends on your exact goals and on the particular women. If you are someone like me who's primary goal is to minimize failure and harm, then its probably a good chance that this would work for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/23 06:42 PM
4

This is a certifiable reddit moment, two people coming to an understanding
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 06:49 PM
4

See, to me, this is all feminism needs to be, mutual respect, understanding and cooperation between men and women, and enforcing the legislation we already have in place for equality (which yeah, gets ignored frequently, although I've always said it's difficult to impossible to legislate and enforce morals and opinions)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 06:47 PM
3

I couldn't agree more. The way women are treated in truly patriarchal societies is sickening. If anywhere needs a lot more feminism, it's gonna be places like Turkiye, Iran, Afghanistan, places where women aren't treated as people. I'm not so heartless to say that therefore western feminism is invalid because worse exists of course, but I would agree that a lot or western feminists could benefit from a little bit more perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 06:42 PM
3

Hell, I'm tired of those arguments too. As entertaining as it can be to make fun of people you disagree with, at the end of the day it's utterly counter productive. 100% agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 06:34 PM
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Look, I know I can't even begin to understand what it's like to feel that vulnerable, especially because I'm tall and naturally well built even for a man, and I'm glad that you treat people the way they treat you, and know that there are in fact good men out there. However, and perhaps this is heartless of me, but I just can't accept modern feminism. I am all about equality, and having many female friends, all about making everyone feel as comfortable as possible. I'd be devastated if any of my …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 06:32 PM
5

But you have to ask yourself, is countering hate with more hate, even towards those who have done nothing wrong, really acceptable?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 06:18 PM
2

Ah, that's my bad. I started skimming part way through and didn't catch that
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 06:15 PM
3

Cruel, but largely true. There are nicer ways to say it, I'd admit
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 06:10 PM
13

And men succeed at committing suicide at a higher rate, just wanted to add that
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 06:09 PM
1

Okay, fair enough. You make good points here.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 06:07 PM
3

OH LMAO shit I guess im the dummy. And your damn right, seems the only people fighting for mens issues these days are RP'ers and adjacent communities
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 05:05 AM
1

Or a bodybuilder/powerlifter, like I get what you are saying, but BMI is just objectively an outdated and terribly inaccurate method of measure. Shit, the eyeball test is better than BMI.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 05:02 AM
0

Yeah, BMI is utterly worthless. According to BMI, Arnold Schwarzenegger at his peak was obese.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 04:58 AM
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Uh, I think you are severely misunderstanding what I said. I'm supporting you. The answer is RP content, btw. That's where I learned that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 04:56 AM
5

Over the past few months, I have learned to stop holding resentment towards women and focus that energy (as well as all the energy I have wasted worrying about getting women in the first place) on working out, killing it in school, and making friends. Care to take a guess what kind of guys I learned this from?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 04:27 AM
9

LMAO Female women, as opposed to non female women?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 04:19 AM
18

No one will ever convince me that this argument comes from any other place than just pure envy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 09:28 PM
1

Shit, I hope I'm not just deluding myself into thinking this isn't how it is with one of my female friends, but it totally could...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 06:47 PM
3

Figure if I'm just gonna take nonstop L's in romance I might as well make something out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 06:20 PM
8

I was kinda into her, and when I asked her out, it was in a way that could have been perceived as either just friendly or as a date. Things didn't work out with that, by no real fault of either of us, but I later found out she had a boyfriend anyway, but we still talk and I enjoy being around her. Luckily, coming to terms with just being friends was a fairly easy process, so now I'm genuinely happy to just be her friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 05:42 PM
3

How do you think I made all these female friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 07:47 AM
1

Perhaps, they aren't mutually exclusive. As long as they don't mix.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 07:32 AM
1

Should I feel lucky that I've found great success in making friends with women, or unlucky that I have never seen success in dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 07:27 AM
1

I wish. I've had more female friends than male at this point, but I've been absolutely hopeless with romance for my entire life.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 07:23 AM
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While I, and most commenters here, agree that a bad childhood is not something that should be used as an excuse, I think you underestimate the sheer severity of damage that can be done in childhood. While it may seem simple to you how to be a good person and avoid making bad decisions in a relationship, some people from particularly poor childhoods may have grown up with completely different ideas of what decisions are bad and what it means to be a good person.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 07:20 AM
5

At this point, I've begun to just accept that friendship might be the best I'm going to get anytime soon. I'm the only male in a female friend group, and I really like them all. Honestly, it's kinda helped in accepting my current circumstances in life. It gets difficult to spiral into self loathing and blame shifting when I remember how much they have already done for me, which is nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 07:12 AM
1

Yeah, I disagree quite a bit with a lot of what some of these guys say, but I've decided it's ok to be selective about picking and choosing which advice I choose to follow, so I chose what made sense to me
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 12:11 AM
2

Idk, a solid amount of RP content I've seen (maybe out of a combination of sheer luck and choosing halfway decent people to watch) promotes self improvement over all else. The RP guys I have watched have mostly advocated for simply keeping yourself too busy working, working out, engaging in hobbies, and spending time with family and friends in order to build character before wasting a bunch of time getting nowhere with women, which is the advice and lifestyle I am trying my best to live.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 11:38 PM
3

Not a very well adjusted thing to be doing, buddy. You sure you're alright?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 10:23 PM
3

But you will whine about and talk shit on people you don't know anything about?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 09:37 PM
9

Jeez, who hurt you? Why so hostile?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 09:24 PM
1

Why should I be just pleased about being treated with suspicion and implicitly accused of things I've never in my life done, just because people who look like me have? This is why I cannot accept modern day feminism. I am not happy to "atone" or whatever for sins that aren't my own. I will continue to be the best kind of person I can be, but I will never admit guilt over actions I have never taken.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 06:43 AM
1

depends on what amount of self-improvement you consider healthy I suppose, but yeah, skyhigh standards these days
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 10:56 PM
1

Yes, that's what change for the better means
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 07:26 PM
1

Then the simple solution is not to go past it being healthy
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 07:26 PM
3

Indeed. Life is a journey and the destination is death, preferably with as few regrets as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 06:57 PM
2

This exactly. Everyone expects everyone else (and its totally normal and should be this way) to wear a metaphorical mask in public around strangers. However, when you are getting to know someone, you must be comfortable in removing that metaphorical mask and showing you how you really are. Thing is, you can always pretend to be someone you aren't for a time, but it will not last. You WILL slip up eventually, and if the person you really are is not the person that your new SO/new friend has come …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 06:54 PM
2

I'm sorry, I read this comment multiple times but I have no idea what you mean
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 06:49 PM
1

making more money and looking/feeling good definitely makes a man better, even if you aren't doing it for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 06:48 PM
4

Couldn't have said it better
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 04:19 AM
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change for the better is always beneficial, regardless of gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 03:13 AM
2

I don't think submissive and invested are opposites either. In my opinion, what men mean when we say we want a "submissive" partner is more along the lines of someone who will let us generally take the lead in the relationship and who we can give to and support. You know when red pill guys say that they are angry that women just want to use them for their resources? I think the vast majority of the time, that issue could and should be reworded as "angry that women use me for resources and are th…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 10:32 PM
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Never found success in dating, but I find myself less and less interested in what seems to be the majority of women around me. Perhaps its because I am still in college surrounded by much younger people than me (somewhat late-ish bloomer) but there's just... so little to be excited about. Even when the time finally comes that all my hard work pays off and I become able to attract attention from women, I'm not really sure that I want it anymore, at least not from the women around me.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 08:59 PM
1

Well, everyone is certainly not unique and incomparable, so that is another point against blue pill. I think i'd call what I believe the bitter pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 06:28 PM
1

Precisely. That is what I have come to believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 05:02 PM
1

People are just nerve super computers within bone mechs protected by flesh armor at the end of the day.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 04:59 PM
2

Are we talking believing the whole red pill is false, or just having any disagreements with it at all? I have always understood red pill is leaning pessimistic/realistic and blue pill leaning optimistic/idealistic, while I disagree a decent amount with the red pill, I certainly would not consider myself blue pill in the slightest.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 04:55 PM
1

While I find much of what you are saying questionable at best, I suppose that for most of my life I'd qualify as your "100% have fundamental issues" crowd, and I have zero experience, so I guess I can't say for sure. It would be nice if what you are saying is true, for when I'm done fixing what's been wrong with me, but I for one can and will never forget the way I've been treated.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 04:44 PM
9

I think the reality is that for the overwhelming majority of people, the biggest concern and top priority is themselves, as i have come to believe is how it should be. Everything we do, regardless of how selfless some actions may appear, are often done so after personal risk and reward have been calculated. This is of course a very messy, imperfect process, because that too is how humans are. The end result, however, is that most, if not all, decisions that could be could be considered rational …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 09:49 AM
1

I would say thats definitely where the red pill has value. I can say for certain that after dabbling in red pill content however that a lot of men that follow it don't really take to heart the lessons of self improvement, which is a shame. That to me is what it should solely be about, what I would call a sort of positive selfishness.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 05:54 AM
1

Nah man, all I'm gonna do is my part to make sure unwanted pregnancies aren't even had in the first place, something that tends to get glossed over in discussions like this.
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