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you will retain custody of your children. I certainly hope not, given how we were talking about child-free couple. Would be really weird to suddenly get children from divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 11:11 PM
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Are you the moral authority on what is a just reason to have children? Absolutely not. The silly biology misconceptions are the only reason for having kids that I'd ever comment on. But silly biology misconceptions seem genuinely somewhat terrifying as a reason to have kids. How about we just say some people are too selfish and or too lazy to reproduce and then raise those children. Deal!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 11:05 PM
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I mean, they cheating on you = you take everything on divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 10:41 PM
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Meh, if someone genuinely wants kids, go for it, with someone who also wants kids. But if you have kids just to keep your partner around... ugh that's bad. That's real bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 10:40 PM
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You want to end a few billion years of successful reproduction because you want as little issues in your relationship as possible, be my guest. Being slave to some unconscious biological process because 8th grade biology class explained it by anthropomorphizing the forces involved sounds like a miserable existence. There are good reasons to get kids, but if you're bringing evolutionary biology into this, you probably shouldn't have kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 10:34 PM
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If you had kids? If you had kids from previous relationship? If you had stayed in the previous relationship because of a kid?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 10:31 PM
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I mean, how much can one say about how not having kids affects you? I have no kids when I wake up, I have no kids when working, I have no kids when gaming, and when I go to bed, still no kids. Life's good. Wouldn't change a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/21 10:22 PM
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For a starters, according to the Dunning-Kruger research on the matter, intelligence must be defined as knowing when you do not know: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect This is literally the first time I've seen a solitary paragraph where someone displays dunning kruger while linking to its wiki page. Dunning-Kruger effect is not about intelligence, it's about performance. For example, what is the epistemic justification for economics? Therefore, does economics even qual…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 08:42 AM
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News alert, people are supposed to grow between 4 years old and the age when they start dating/their sex life. If they don't, it's all kinds terrible that's going on in there. I was gonna come in with an essay about how mommas boy as a stereotype indicates various severe problems with ones mental development, but when you start off with comparing adults and 4 year olds when it comes to dating.. yeah, it seems kinda pointless now.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 08:08 PM
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The title, I kinda agree with. I think US tends to have ridiculously long sentences way beyond anything reasonable. The text after the title on the other hand... How on Earth is womans dress a thing that makes rape a less bad thing. Like, if a woman is fully naked in front of you how on Earth is it better to rape her than someone with clothes on. What? Like, if you're at the point where severity of rape depends on dress code, you're not in a good place. Seek help, this isn't even "heh heh sexism…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 11:04 PM
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There are some things you should consider Being "nice" doesn't exclusively mean being passive and non-confrontational, and those two qualities do not alone make you nice. Being nice, as in, wanting the best for people, is a trait shared by large chunk of humanity, I'd want to say well over half but maybe that's just me being wishful. Anyway, the fact that you're bringing it up as your one defining trait that makes or breaks your success when it comes to dating to me hints that maybe you just don…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 02:22 AM
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I'm kinda confused by the way you seem to unironically use "nice guys" as a word for, well, genuinely nice guys, as if they're having trouble in life. The whole concept of nice guy, the reason it's in modern internet lexicon, is that people describing themselves as "nice" as a problem for dating are often the most awful assholes you ever meet. It's a perfect mix of lack of self-awareness and karmic justice that keeps that meme so fresh. You'd really want to distinguish from those folk if you wan…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/20 11:28 PM
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And when they don't, we get back into this whole situation of "let's all suffer coz I did not get laid". One can make all sorts of arguments about why those teen pregnancies and spread of STD's are righteous suffering and whatnot. It still doesn't change the fact that all that suffering is dirt cheap to avoid, and that you don't want that cause "others have to suffer too".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/20 02:36 PM
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Why should someone keep doing something if they cannot afford the things that aid in doing it like BC or condoms ? Well, not really my business now is it? But I don't see government programs going to buy people IPhones, I mean, I'm supportive of programs to make sure people are digitally equipped. I don't like how you make it Apple-specific, tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/20 12:08 PM
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Just because something is not needed doesn't mean people stop doing it. Heck, you're gonna have to search far and wide for unnecessary activity people would be ready to sacrifice more for to keep doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/20 09:44 AM
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Ah yes, let's have surge of easily preventable diseases and increase in teen pregnancies because someone is bitter they're not getting laid. Like, wtf.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/20 08:50 AM
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I haven't been in this subreddit for a while so I'll need to do a bit of a deep dive in my comment history to find people discussing how they expect to be just wallets to women. But in the meanwhile, if you do have your favorite af/bb thread in mind, go there, you will see just red-flaired people discussing how they expect having one night stand and long term relationship be just as rewarding for them, except that in LTR they need to work harder to provide for the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/20 03:53 PM
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Pretty much every single TRP poster seems to have an abusive and loveless relationship be the only type of relationship they can even conceive. And many of them still desire relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/20 03:01 PM
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In the real world reproduction is literally the only reason you exist. This is such a broken thinking, just analyzing all the things wrong there could give one a neat 3-part TV miniseries/documentary. To condense this down to shorter rebuttal, the primary fallacy is that you're imagining purpose as something external. I'm really unsure where to even begin unpacking that insanity beyond pointing out, it's a direct contradiction of Hume's guillotine, one of the defining ethical insights of the pas…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/20 12:50 AM
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If I'm not mistaken, we're in the comment thread started from "I get what they were going for but it seems iffy if they got there". People know it's kinda not functional joke, but it has promise. Maybe with tinkering it could be resurrected, or at the very least, we can learn from its failures. Almost success to some, me included, is in itself really interesting.
/r/PussyPassDenied10/12/20 03:31 PM
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Wage gap logic applied to income loss means men are hit harder by covid. In the sprit of oppression olympics, some people would wanna see themselves the most opressed group, so the way this argument makes two ways to be a victim mutually exclusive is similar comedy to the sweating man meme trying to select which of two buttons to push.
/r/PussyPassDenied10/12/20 10:29 AM
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A joke.
/r/PussyPassDenied10/12/20 10:17 AM
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What's up with blatantly misrepresenting studies? "likes more one way than the other" does not mean "is intimidated by the other way". It's not even close.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/20 12:29 PM
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Anything not-totally-assholeish you do to women can be construed as you giving something to woman other than your existence, as required by your definition of alphaness, and thus, you're automatically beta. So by excluding virtually all non-assholeish ways of interaction, what's there left but be an asshole?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/20 09:07 PM
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So women simply know who is alpha and who is not in some ethereal way that cannot be communicated, the only way we can tell is by observing women? And this genetic superiority also manifests in the ways of being a total dick towards the women, with your genes literally being rewritten if you are not acting like a dick toward some woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/20 08:23 PM
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So any man becomes automatically a beta unless they're also rude asshole? And you're saying that this is a marker for genetic superiority? And you're saying that women long for men whose defining trait is that they bring absolutely nothing to the table?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/20 07:58 PM
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You're failing to define alpha and beta, in favor of retroactively defining those terms to fit whatever outcomes you see. Woman has sex with a man. Is he alpha or beta?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/20 07:10 AM
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Can you read? It refers to 3 things meeting the criteria of “hypocrisy”, I gave you an example of one of those things. None of the 3 things however refer to the case we're discussing. Since you linked that text passage, I assumed you thought it was somehow related.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 09:24 PM
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the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform. Well I did debunk this in the message you responded to so I guess you didn't mean this one. Hypocrisy is the practice of engaging in the same behavior or activity for which one criticizes another Not dating someone is not criticism. Not entering ltr with someone is not criticism. There's also the whole separate can of worms that comes with the way you take creative liberties in stating someo…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 08:58 PM
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In moral psychology, it is the failure to follow one's own expressed moral rules and principles. The first one was what I was saying. This second one has one important distinction you seem to fail to parse, which is, "moral rules and principles". Your standards for dating or some such thing are not necessarily moral standards. You can simply like something without being a dick about it, ie assign some moral value to it beyond "it pleases you".
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 08:42 PM
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Not really. Being hypocrite means one misleads others into believing he's better than he actually is, or behaves as if that was the case. There doesn't need to be any trickery or any acting as if you were different from who you actually are when it comes to having standards about others.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 03:16 PM
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Psychopaths have clearly broken brain that has some important parts of the brain, that regulate emotional control and emotions, just completely destroyed. You can be traumatized it all kinds of ways but psychopathy is not acquired, not without some physical damage to the brain at least. You can have emotional parts of the brain suppressed which might look a bit similar, but it's not really the same. So yeah, for starters, drop the word psychopathy, it has nothing to do with this. One interesting…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 06:20 PM
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Personally I prefer the definition of the quality of being generous, helpful, and caring about other people, or an act showing this quality: Especially the part of "caring about other people", as that is typically the defining part of kindness
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 04:49 PM
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Assuming lies give you some benefit in some scenarios, as most people do, abstaining from lying gives advantage to others willing to use that tool. Sense of humor is a bit harder to justify but still, you wasting your resources to keep others entertained is waste of your resources. I don't believe in either argument, but just to demonstrate what you can do if you are extremely reductionist in your analysis.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 03:00 PM
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Kindness also makes co-operation much more seamless, giving vast advantage to those that engage in it. One can likewise say honest or humorous people can be taken advantage of. And you can make similarly case why there are offsetting factors at play. When your analysis doesn't have numbers or magnitudes of these factors, and is lacking at least half of relevant factors to begin with, how do intend to argue this position of yours
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 02:48 PM
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Assertiveness tells how effective you are at getting what you want. Kindness tells what you want. To be meaningfully kind, you'd have to be very assertive, otherwise you're just using kindness as a synonym for "lacking backbone". And yes, just becuse you lack backbone doesn't make you a nice person either, or kind. I'm not sure if I'd call it aggressiong assertiveness, but assertiveness is in direct conflict with conflict-avoidance.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 02:42 PM
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It's not any more weakness than honesty or sense of humor is. You can see those as indicating weakness or not, but they aren't actually on the weak-strong scale at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 11:45 AM
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Assertiveness is the thing being admired, and that's not conflicting with kindness. There are some people who regularly confuse lacking backbone and self-respect for niceness and kindness. I feel this question is stemming from similar misunderstanding. No one likes people that lack any backbone. At best they pretend to be nice to you while using you for whatever they need you for.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 11:43 AM
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Average is the same for both genders, excluding non-heterosexual encounters, gender imbalance(51% of adult population is women, or thereabouts) and deaths. Any difference in measured value just tells you about the size of error in your data.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 07:36 AM
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It's not a double standard because he's treating all his prospective ltr's equally. Him passing or not passing the standard is irrelevant because he is not his own ltr prospect.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 07:32 AM
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Yeah, I didn't think we'd get something weirder than n-count obsession on this sub but here we are.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 07:01 AM
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Equivalent of n-count? Astrological sign, blood type, spirit animal, favorite dinosaur.. One thing I use above all else in judging people I interact with is, how they treat those less fortunate than them. Be mean to someone that's already worse off than you? Move on, don't want to associate with you. This I use for all social relationships, friends and acquintances and other people I talk to that fail that test get discarded very quickly.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/20 09:11 PM
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I'm not sure you've thought this through or really put any thought into this statement. I'm gonna be annoying and break things down to illustrate. You're making argument that marriage ending 45% of the time in divorce is an argument against marriage. So reasonably one would expect you, doing this math, would be in situation with someone where you're ready to be married if both desire so, ie long term relationship that's supposed to last perhaps even a lifetime. You're arguing 45% is a bad deal, …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/20 12:43 PM
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So basically nobody is getting married these days This claim is false in the light of stats you yourself quoted in the previous paragraphs. Like, I know it's expected to TRP folks as illiterate but come on, there has to be some standard of intellectual honesty that we can agree on that's not just "no standards". Less people are getting married. What effect is that going to have? Probably not too many. I'd expect this to be due to the fact that younger generations are expected to study longer and…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/20 12:31 PM
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I explained that in the comment you were trying to respond to. You have to explain why you feel that explanation is inadequate, otherwise I don't know how to make it clearer to you. But rephrasing the same thing, one can both think they are entitled to gifts at their birthday party, and think some gift they received sucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 05:09 PM
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Where was this 180° turn you speak of? Did you misread something or what's up?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 04:06 PM
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Most RP dudes however, want to get laid casually If that's what you want, there's no chance in hell you'd end up married or even in a relationship assuming you're someone with even a tiny vestige of backbone and honesty. You don't end up married or even in long-term relationship accidentally. Those take planning, and following through on those plans, for years. It's something I never understood about TRP, how they seem to imagine that a person who just enjoys casual sex can be trapped in marriag…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 04:05 PM
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You're seeing getting married as too bad a fate for men. Having one person devote themselves to you as unacceptably depressing bad ending, with the implication that such men are robbed of what's rightfully theirs.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 03:05 PM
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Wait, so you think that you're entitled to not just marriage but to have multiple concubines? I think at this point you can tell that the whole TRP ideology is starting to unravel.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 12:18 PM
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Physical attractiveness and status. Status would be something you can buy with money. But in most TRP claims it's seen as buying attention with money is betabux behavior. Betabuxing involves actually providing significant time and resources in order to achieve consistent sex. So significant amount of grooming, trying to look good, hitting gym etc would be betabuxing? And having steady relationship is basically the most alpha action of them all?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/20 01:46 PM
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What is pure SMV? If you use other factors to your advantage because why not, are you betabux? If you gain advantage with other factors but would get by without them, are you betabux? Are you supposed to exist outside all financial, status, relationship goal and such considerations as an ethereal pure sex object or otherwise you're betabux?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/20 01:27 PM
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And when you say "betabux to some extent", what do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/20 11:26 AM
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Vast majority of "bottom 80%" are attractive enough and well-off enough financially.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/20 10:17 AM
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What he means is bottom 20% in terms of wealth and bottom 20% in terms of looks. Only a miniscule fraction of men are into the red pill type ideologies. Only a tiny fraction of men are unable to find positive LTR's and sexual relationships. Also this whole "SMV" type thing is kinda silly. The whole concept is broken on so many ways that using it at all is kind of dishonest.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/20 08:29 AM
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I was gonna come here and say that your standards are your private thing, I just dislike abusing logic in some desperate attempt to justify your preferences. But then I saw your list of "broke people should go for broke only", which is a complete non-sequitur, and yet another example of battered logic being forced to do unnatural things. Just stop abusing logic. You're free to have your own standards, what they are, are your own personal issue, but if you feel like abusing logic to justify them …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/20 10:39 AM
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Why do you think 9-5 desk job would be harder? The difference is in the type of work. You'd do a lot better if you didn't compare it to work drone but rather to startup-enterpreneur.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/20 06:22 PM
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If that's the best job you qualify for, you better learn to enjoy it. I don't think most people dislike their jobs that much. Many even find theirs rewarding and fun. Compared to vast majority of jobs out there, onlyfans is a terrible choice. But sure, you can one-up it by finding even worse ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/20 06:18 PM
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Of course you cant. Men and women are different. Well, I'm a man and I too fail to relate. It sounds like the 40 year guy has failed to process his emotions and instead opted for repression. I have had problems repressing my emotions when I shouldn't but I legit could not just repress everything for 40 years. From what I can tell, you're trying to ridicule people who do emotional processing and consider it not-manly. I guess if you really bought into that mindset it would be possible to save all…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/20 10:59 AM
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Nothing in particular. I know some like that but I never thought of those attributes being notewjrthy
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/20 08:58 PM
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I respect that someone might have a silly opinion, but to me it sounds just soul-crushingly sad for someone to think that building legos or gaming has upper age-limit.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/20 08:31 PM
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Totally offtopic but can you give pros/cons of those games? I've played civ v/vi and I'm having love/hate relationship with those games, I feel like they could be way better and I really wanna find a game that does their concept better. I am considering anno series mostly but whatever, I'm still looking for all opinions that might help me decide what to go for next.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/20 08:29 PM
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Well I'll be damned, but that's a red flaired comment I whole-heartedly agree with. Though, if someone is willing to throw their life away for X, whatever, it's their choice, just because I think they're stupid doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/20 04:24 PM
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Treating people as just means to get your dick wet is pretty bad, but the damage is less if you enter the situation with mutual understanding, as with prostitutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/20 07:06 AM
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If that's your only goal, why not just go for prostitutes? Would be more ethical too.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/20 06:51 AM
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I think you added on that whole last part about "nice guys" not really being nice. The saying "nice guys finish last" isn't talking about self entitled assholes, it's talking about genuinely nice guys that get led on by a female they like, only to end up last in line. That's the story these entitled assholes do tell to others. I don't think there has ever been any evidence supporting the truthfulness of the assertion. If we're being honest, though, women see "nice guys" as weak and non-assertive…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 02:58 PM
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You've misunderstood something pretty bad. Then you violate the entire supposition behind the 'nice guy' syndrome: kindness and sex are orthogonal lines. Nice guys are ridiculed because they are not nice people, but they think acting nice towards someone for some short time entitles them to sex. Being nice is not irrelevant or bad. Being entitled POS is the bad thing, and these folk calling themselves "nice guys" is where comedy gold lies.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 09:27 AM
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So is the goal dating or just pump and dump? Like, so many trp posters seem to be confused when they don't get casual no strings attached sex by acting as if they want to date and get into relationship. It's so hard to figure out which one they even want.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/20 11:05 AM
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The main problem with TRP and such is that what people do, and what people think they do, are two completely different things. Only by much rigor and honest self-reflection and such can you get the two to approach each other. So for real life these communities are bound the be only as useful as they are actual reflections of real actions and beliefs. I don't think there is much of a connection. This isn't even really related to TRP that much. I'd say so about pretty much any social group. Even b…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/20 09:36 PM
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But like I said, forcing equality has never been good for the group that is trying to attain it. Slaves not having basic human rights, gays not being prevented from marrying or even being publicly in a relationship, women not being able to vote or study or have careers etc, that all seems like not a problem to you or at least not a problem enough that anyone should've said anything about those issues?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 10:47 AM
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I've been trying to figure out what do you imagine equality to be, but clearly it's something vastly different than the standard idea of having same rights, opportunities and such regardless of gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 10:05 PM
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Aiming for equality is bad for equality? Wut u smoking m8?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 09:51 PM
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This thread asked about dating, not about making record in how many different women you can have one night stands with in a given time unit.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 06:52 AM
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Going into toxic relationships does nothing to help the situation. You're just making things worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 03:45 PM
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A man who is not emotionally damaged, knows what he wants and is able to communicate that is a pretty good dating partner for women, yeah. That's kinda the point behind the advice. Well, also mental health and communication etc also helps yourself even in absence of relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 03:37 PM
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That's not really an excuse to willfully go into a toxic relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 03:34 PM
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Because knowing what you want, having standards, having spine are all the hallmarks of someone that ends up being a doormat?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 03:33 PM
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If the goal was just to get dick wet without any regard to anything else, you'd turn to rape or prostitutes. Respect is just a thing that's important when interacting with other people to make the interactions beneficial for both. It's also something that TRP, now demonstrably, has trouble with. If you approach others without respect, those with spine will avoid you and warn about you everyone they know. You get what you deserve, and it's people who respect neither you nor themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 12:00 PM
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Have standards, have spine, have respect for others, understand what you want, and go for that. Communicate a lot, and clearly, ann honestly. That's it in a nutshell, things that trp gets wrong compared to blue pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 11:53 AM
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Grow some spine and have standards. Don't go into toxic relationship just because you're desperate for pussy. Despite what your victim complex may claim, you deserve better.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 11:48 AM
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Some innate thing I guess. I know a friend of mine reacts like that, he doesn't really know why or have any way to do anything about it, but to him early on having sex is a negative thing for relationships. When he started seeing his now-wife, he told me he on purpose delayed having sex for months to prevent that part of his brain from kicking in, because he wanted to marry her. I don't have that sorta reaction so all I can share is second-hand experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 11:32 AM
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The difference is, women are usually sensible enough to not claim, at least in public, that their dating preferences carry some objective valuation of men they target. It might seem like a small thing but that makes all the difference. There are women who are as antisocial as ppd men in this regard, but they are very small minority, and more or less equally ridiculed. And while it might seem like an easy thing to fix, just phrase things in a less antisocial way, but in some fascinating way the a…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 09:26 PM
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Well it’s a debate sub, so if people didn’t articulate the reason behind their preferences (sometimes with empirical evidence), then discussions would be short, boring and without substance. You're fundamentally misunderstanding what debates are about and what preferences are. Preferences are things that by definition do not have a reason behind them. If there was one, you wouldn't call it a preference anymore, eating food for example is not a preference given how there is quite objective reason…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 12:32 PM
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You used the word "likely". Not sure why you're backing down now, but you clearly implied marriage to be zero-sum game. Given how common zero-sum thinking is in trp folklore, I'm actually surprised you decided to back down from that claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 12:26 PM
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Why would making time for communication harm relationship? Usually the opposite is true
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 04:22 AM
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This sounds like a good idea. I might try to implement this if things get more hectic. Currently however there is always time to talk to each other in my ltr so no need to bring in these kinda measures.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 06:22 PM
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On the other side of that coin anyone with half a brain could understand the idea of it. Being more physically attractive puts you higher on the scale, same with income, stability, "game", etc. It follows that those who exhibit the most desirable qualities and have the most positive interactions will have a higher value than those who don't. So what is this scale a scale of? Expected result from poll results given to some panel of judges(who?) to assess your attractiveness? Which then makes it a…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 05:25 AM
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I think it is kinda telling that you have to resort to an example where you anthropomorphise one of the simplest physical phenomenon we know of to defend trp model of people. The two main critiques of the sexual market thing are a) it has no evidence backing it up, and b) even assuming it's as true as possible, it's still extremely reductionist model of human interaction, completely dismissing any human diversity. With those, it's unclear to me if trp folk even want to defend the idea, the times…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 04:23 AM
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I'm genuinely baffled by how difficult this concept is to trp folk.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 03:17 AM
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Not really no. 15 at 19 sounds quite extreme tho, and I would've reacted to it badly. Basically it gets worrysome to me when it seems like a coping mechanism to some untreated psychological trauma or somesuch. It's hard to say any number that fits all, it depends also on person and the environment they were in, and even then the actual question is if there is underlying psychological damage or not. Maybe she just likes sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/20 03:25 PM
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Bad performance compared to some internal or external criteria, sure. What is the criteria for looks, then? Since you're talking about objective rating I'm assuming this is some external criteria.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 10:59 PM
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And by objective I mean they can't be unbiased in their own favor not that every person would agree. That's not how words work, but even with that, and assuming you meant to say "can't be biased", you're still failing to describe how do you tell a bias in subjective exercise like number game of yours. There probably are ways to do this, but you still would need to specify how you want this numbers game to be playede
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 10:16 PM
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they are unable to give thematselves an objective number on a one to ten scale. You're quite delusional if you think you can give yourself "objective" number rating. Like, what are the criteria used for this rating? You claim it is objective, ergo, not based on subjective opinion, so describe the method to do so. And no, "my friends agree with the rating" doesn't mean your collective opinion is suddenly objective. It's frustrating when you're wrong in so many more interesting ways but you mess i…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 09:45 PM
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You're in a very wrong place for advice, but whatever, let's try: Stop looking at trp. Stop worrying about some external objective "where should I be at", and instead focus on "where do I want to go from here".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/20 05:37 AM
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I'm not big into arranged marriages.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 12:03 PM
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You're failing to check for sexual compatibility before vowing to spend life together. Like, that is gonna be a bit of an issue, unless you both are borderline asexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 12:03 PM
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Well to end the discussion here and now... Beauty is the final product. Looking pretty isn't fooling anyone, it's just looking pretty. People value pretty things inherently. Expensive looking items are worth nothing by themselves, their value is in the implied value of them. Nobody thinks gucci bag being held is a superb thing, it has value because of the association of having brand new gucci product. Basically it's the difference between an art and lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 09:27 AM
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I think it's stupid but not wrong. Like, out of all the stupid relationship things to do, I'd rank it solidly somewhere in the middle. Not super bad, but still notably detrimental. If it's the worst part about you, you're doing very well in life. You do you If I am neither, just your husband, who does say suppose Adequate sex... You'll resent me, And Porn Companies would ask you for their stories, aka you'll cheat There is this one weird trick of not dating cheaters. If you don't have pretty goo…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 09:17 AM
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That sounds sex-negativity or repressed sexuality. Not shaming but there are alternatives to your viewpoint.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 02:34 PM
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Why are you so fixated on impressing 18 year olds?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 10:24 PM
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I was thinking we'd get at least couple of layers down here, so I must admit I'm genuinely surprised. So just to clarify, are you saying being emotionally coerced into something is blanket promise to do the same thing with any future partner if they so wish, or are you just in favor of using emotional coercion in a relationship to get what you want?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 10:21 PM
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Being physically coerced into something is completely different? Okay, how about emotional coercion? You can probably tell where this is going, so feel free to tell what is the point when this turns into the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 08:26 PM
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This is just an absolute idiotic point to bring up in the first place. So you agree with that statement or..? Just to repeat, would you say that being rape victim is disrespectful towards your partner. Yes/no please.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 08:06 PM
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she does not find you that attractive This seems complete non-sequitur in multiple ways. To start with, why are we talking about attractiveness? We were talking about valuation, and even for PPD it seems super shallow to equate attractiveness and value. But assuming we are still talking about value she gives to you, nah. The big primary signifier of her valuation of you is that she's dating you. If you started trying to do breadcrumbs analysis on her sex act catalog, then for this to be about va…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 04:47 PM
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It really doesn't. I usually can tell enough where someone is coming from just from their conclusions, but this claim is just so absurd to me that I feel like trying to guess your reasoning behind it would not result in anything pretty, so I'll have to ask you to explain why you think this to be the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 06:17 AM
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It would be equally bad insecurity thing when someone else has it on some other context. The point is that it's an insecurity thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 06:13 AM
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None. I think my relationship is with her only, and doesn't involve her ex's. There are sexual acts I'm interested for their own sake though. Hard to tell how much they'd be dealbreakers, luckily haven't had that issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 09:11 PM
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Well, at least you're consistent. I think your feelings on the topic are genuine, but I simply cannot understand them other than on intellectual level.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 03:48 PM
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Ah yes, the "absolutely everyone is lying about their preferences, I know better than them what they want"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 01:02 PM
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But then again, this is PPD where women are wholesome angels with nothing but pure virtue, incapable of hypocrisy and always consistent in the rules they apply to Chad and Billy alike. I think you're hearing but not understanding. The point is, there are no rules. Normal people don't think that treating one person certain way is any sort of promise of doing the same to you. If your message is based on real experiences with women, you really should realize you're dealing with the very bottom of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 12:52 PM
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Umm, what does the rich dude treatment have to do with me wanting to buy the car? Like, just to clarify, if you see Coca Cola or some such brand people offering free product(as part of the advertising campaigns they tend to periodically do in big cities), are you now boycotting that brand because "it's unfair that people get different treatment"?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 08:35 AM
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Imagine OP's girlfriend refusing to have sex with him before marriage, unlike her many ONS/exes. She says she doesn't do that anymore. She will only bake him cupcakes instead. It would be reasonable to argue that she is treating him worse than her exes. Not reasonable in any dimension I'm familiar with.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 06:08 PM
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TRP folk often wonder "how come people criticize our dating preferences", and I think your comment is perfect for illustrating why. Different women serve different purposes for the male imperative It's not male imperative, it's your imperative. Normal people are not trying to make social movements out of their dating preferences. Don't drag others into your personal issues and you will notice virtually no one will care one way or another. At least for me one of the primary things making me inter…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 11:05 AM
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It's not self-respect that people are commenting on. Further, to me it seems like TRP really have problems with self-respect. They seem to be really prone to defining themselves through external validation, it gives a very damaged look to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/20 12:15 PM
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The problem is, I'm not sure the conclusion you came to is actually in any way disputed by anyone, or if it's just common sense. If it isn't disputed by anyone, I feel like it won't belong to this discussion either. There would need to be some agreeable starting point and differing conclusions from there. After all, supposedly if TRP was not conclusion-driven, then the disagreement can be reduced to some set axioms from which different groups draw different conclusions. Finding axioms where ever…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 02:09 PM
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It's kinda annoying. I could agree with that combletely with some values of "chad" and some relatively minor disclaimers. With those minor tweaks and clarifications, this reads just as "if you want to fuck without committing, fuck young women who seek fucking without committing" Say, these tweaks would include some quite innocent clarifications like, not every woman seeks meaningless sex, there are individual preference differences, etc. So yeah, I'm not sure if we disagree with the conclusion. …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 11:08 AM
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Well, let's phrase it like this: List some underlying assumptions on which TRP rests upon, which you expect people can mostly agree upon, such that refuting them would either disprove trp ideas entirely or at least make people question everything, and from which at least some core aspects of TRP can be derived. My claim is, you will not be able to answer this because trp never started from ground up. You can easily prove me wrong here, with just one reply, so let's see what happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 08:32 AM
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Polishin a turd takes a special kind of person. One of the defining problems of TRP is the way it oversimplifies things. Say, "sexual marketplace" resulting in people getting some value attached to them. That.. well, it is simply fantasy, misunderstanding of things, but it all has to be done because so much of TRP hinges on this numerical ranking you can give to people. Which then can be used to rank people in some objective ranking... The problem is that because trp started with conclusion and …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 07:35 AM
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We can all agree that there is a sexual marketplace and that some people have different values withing it. Umm, I don't think we can. I've kept asking TRP people to defend this idea and they just say "it's just a figure of speech" or some such thing. No one seems to want to defend or explain this concept any further than just the two sentences you gave there, the rest is left to the readers imagination. The best one can do is try to frame sex or relationship as mutual exchange to make a marketpl…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 10:58 AM
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Yes. It is quite literally the definition of whataboutism.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 12:50 AM
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So you say. Even if that was true, it would be the exact wrong kind of experience, where I needed to pretend.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 12:48 AM
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What triggers me is using pseudoscience and various dishonest tactics to make appearance of scientific rigor without any of the substance. It's annoying a) because lying is frustrating to see, b) because it gives a good thing, science, a bad rep, and c) because it often seems like often a front used to hide things that are just repulsive
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 06:51 PM
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Whataboutism is such a bizarre habit some people have.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 06:46 PM
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It's not like divorce means any kind of failure. I know it's the one straw TRP has to grasp because they bank so much on "men are all suffering" narrative and there's just so little to even hint at things being like that, so divorce rates it is, then.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 06:42 PM
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As someone who was dateless virgin into my 30's, but now in a very happy relationship after brief period of casual sex... I think the only advice I'd give to teenager me is just "be yourself, don't settle for anything less than what you want". At least for me, pretending to be something I'm not is what I can do maybe a couple of hours every day, but I do need a lot of unwind time from that. I want a partner with whom I can unfind, not one whom makes me need unwinding. The world is stressful enou…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 03:50 AM
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So short of killing all multi-celled life in the universe, nothing can convince you that they are not just in secret trying to promote their genes?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 08:04 AM
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The only reason anybody does anything is to spread their genes or else nobody would have evolved and come into existence in the first place. Consciously or subconsciously, people are motivated by this. You've misunderstood biology, psychology, or both. Spreading genes is what anthropomorphised evolution wants of us. Anthropomorphised evolution being a fictional character made up by humans who like to use humanlike characters to explain things, like thunder being due to Zeus or something. Anthrop…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 05:30 AM
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Given that the most pleasurable thing in life is sex I envy the sex you're having. Or I'm worried about the rest of your life. Not sure which.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 05:19 AM
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I don't think that's true, unless you live in some developing dictatorship or USA. Given that you're on reddit on a time waste sub like this, it seems likely you do have time to pursue self-actualization as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 06:23 PM
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You've never heard a women talking about one of her friends boyfriends like "he's not that cute, she could have definitely done better"? I actually have. It has left bad impression on me about people who've said that, but one comment like that is still far far away from the fatalistic "not dating your looksmatch is injustice" thinking you get from TRP. It's like you take one trashy comment and turn it into a defining lifestyle and personality trait of yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 03:11 AM
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Some males would rather spend that time elsewhere. Well, some of your hypothetical males are trying to do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 06:03 PM
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Why are you trying to have LTR with someone you don't want to spend time with?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 05:41 PM
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FDS weeds out high-value men who are unwilling to commit to lower value women, too. You say this as if it's a bad thing, but I really don't see why. Still, FDS serves its purpose by helping women find their proper looksmatch The obsession TRP folk have with "looksmatch" is honestly scary. No one but TRP folk care, and just by obsessing more about it you don't get to reduce human relationships to some bizarre numeric looks rating.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 05:26 PM
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I'm genuinely feeling like you're not understanding why married couple would ever talk to each other. Talking is not the end goal, it's a tool to solve problems you presented. A tool that with very little effort solves all of them, and which does so for vast majority of couples.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 01:30 PM
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Women often look at the income they make as "their own" while the man's income is community property. Not too many women are happy with putting everything 50/50 in joint accounts where they all pay the bills equally, save equally, etc even if both parties make same wages. Can't you just talk to your LTR partner/wife? It's so bizarre reading these rants where people speak of their wives that live with them as if they are aliens who do not share a language or even the same physical realm as them. …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 01:21 PM
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The duality of men, worried of women taking advantage of them but simultaneously admitting they don't feel they're bringing anything at all to the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 09:46 PM
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You're having pretty abysmal return of investment for your ONS strategy, unless you are a genuine sociopath and willing to shape your life around lies, deception, betrayal, abuse and other type of stuff most people would be very uncomfortable with. And yeah, being full-time sociopath can be rewarding. It however is a high-risk strategy, most people will cut contact and just avoid contact if your strategy is revealed to others.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 07:55 PM
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If you feel like LTR is a job you're doing just for pussy access, I agree, you should not be in LTR with anyone. The good news is, based on the bitterness of this post, the only people you've abused are just as jaded and emotionally broken as you are, so I'm feeling like there's a good chance you haven't actually done any noteworthy damage to others.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 03:39 PM
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Grey is literally the opposite of colour though. Opposite of colorful. Not color. I, a woman, would always pick a sturdy bed, bathtub, and bookcase but that just seems...obvious. And I, a man, would pick the color that seemed nice to me when given choice. But it's less of a priority for me than for many.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 04:51 PM
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You're kinda proving my point here. I gave two examples, how women focus on color and men on sturdiness(and one should view these as examples from millions of small differences). You ignored sturdiness and fixated on color.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 04:32 PM
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What qualifies as nice differs a lot tho. Men tend to care much less about colors, for example. My impression is men appreciate physical feeling of sturdiness for example much more than women. Fragile beaty makes way for much simpler but sturdier design, colors end up being blander, just from these things alone. But the "manly" design is thought of as inferior to "womanly" one.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 04:27 PM
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The argument is that “women are hypergamous.” I listed relevant examples that depict hypergamy from a military perspective where status is literally displayed on people’s shirt collars. Women part of extremely niche subculture and even in that subculture, those women by your own admission are not majority, and are looked down upon. You didn't even try to argue why this sample would be representative, you skipped all the objections about how non-typical the military is as occupation, you're not e…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 07:30 AM
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I think your position lacks any coherent arguments for it, so to me you not managing to make any is quite natural. You're asking me to tell you how you should've argued your position. I don't care. But you should have at least tried.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 06:39 AM
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That's your insecurities talking.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 02:48 PM
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Turns out drafting important legal documents should be done with the help of a lawyer. Who knew?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 01:28 PM
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What irks me is how TRP tries to gain credibility by abusing evolution AND economics. Both so horribly misrepresented that it would be hard to even know where to start debunking all that. And of course, after spending 15min debunking thing X, and then 15min debunking point Y, terper responds with "your refutation of Y doesn't work because X!". It's just such frustrating game of pigeon chess
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 08:49 AM
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Unscientific doesn't mean it's an argument from feeling. Just that it is not a reasonable claim to make from the evidence presented.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 08:44 AM
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Explains so much of TRP if they are only targeting unemployed golddiggers. I'm ashamed to say I really didn't think of that option.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 05:05 PM
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Two examples please.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 05:01 PM
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Keeping frame, having goals, being healthy etc. gives you that chance of transcending the human animal because you are able to create the circumstances for it. I propose a simpler explanation: People who find help in TRP are folks who struggle with confidence. A system, any system, makes you trust it a bit and thus effectively boosts your confidence, and for as long as the trust is there, you stop self-sabotaging your relationships by constantly signaling low confidence in yourself. The question…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/20 09:44 PM
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They do advertise tho. I've had many men advertise TRP to me, offline and online. The promise is to find some secret understanding, standard cult stuff. But people stay because being martyrs and miserable together is more fun than being miserable alone. It's what the folks into psychiatry would call "unhealthy coping mechanism".
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/20 09:30 PM
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being likeable = being mature when it comes to dating. Being likeable doesn't have almost anything to do with dating. It's the art of not being a dick, having qualities like integrity, empathy, sense of humor, etc. You're also forgetting romantic relationships are only a very small part of social interactions. Even if you never went on a date, you can still have fulfilling and rich social life.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/20 06:25 AM
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How in your view these normal people end up without friends, romantic relations and usually much career, hobbies or such? Did society randomly decide to kick them in the head for 20 years or so despite them being likeable, with normal social skills for their age and no particularly noteworthy antisocial tendencies?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 07:25 PM
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1 total, 1 good one. 32y. Has lasted almost a year now, and going strong. We had lots of problems at times. With respect and willingness to work through things, you can get through them. I've grown as a person a lot since puberty.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 02:35 PM
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It is simple, and entirely irrelevant to anything said previously by you or anyone else. With some tweaks you could make it more relevant, but hard to say how you'd have it modified. But if you insist that your intention was all along to say something completely irrelevant, you do you. I've spent enough time trying to give you opportunity to turn that mess into something meaningful.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 09:41 AM
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The second part of your comment is a cryptic mess. My best bet is that where you have "!=" symbol, you meant to have something else, since nowhere in this thread has anyone confused the two with each other. But when you're intentionally cryptic and then make mistakes in your communication, I'm not gonna start the detective work to figure out what on Earth you actually meant to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 08:39 AM
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Your phrasing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 08:19 AM
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Anyone in this sub who posts “correlation doesn’t equal causation” is an idiot and should be exposed out in the open for it. It feels stupid to fight against that windmill when it seems no one here is willing to learn even when their mistakes are spelled out for them. But I get the feeling you're not referring to that sorta stupidity. But unfortunately your comment in no way makes it possible to tell what might be the reason you're calling me names. I don't really mind someone being disrespectfu…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 08:19 AM
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And your IQ isn't really a choice in the same way being a slut is. You're making the classic lazy mistake of treating observed correlation as causation. There is no evidence whatsoever that sleeping around has anyeffect on your future relationships. I'm just so tired of this mistake since people clearly have spent actual effort to do some research behind this, and with just tiny bit of intellectual honesty and understanding of science, you could turn that into really fruitful starting point for …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 05:32 AM
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Seems kinda like common sense. The first few ones were phrased in a very troubling way but the underlying point seems solid. I just haven't seen such points phrased that way. But yeah, beside the weird phrasing, seems very much good advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 05:18 AM
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Those blue pilled dudes think it's their duty as a man, hence man up. Wait you saying blue pill is just different brand of sexist?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 05:32 PM
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If sex matters to you, you should try to work out dead bedroom type issues completely regardless of any prior gang bang experience
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 04:19 AM
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I got all my sexual experiences in the past 2 years, and I'm well past 30 years old. At no point in the past 2 years did I feel like comparing myself to their ex-partners was a thing that would make sense. It really just on a fundamental level does not compute, regardless of my experience level.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 03:53 AM
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Let's put it this way. My long term partner has told me all sorts of stories about her past. Never once have I stopped to compare me to anyone in those stories, thinking if "I got equal treatment". I honestly would not even know how to start doing that kinda analysis. The concept just fails to make sense to me at such a fundamental level that to me your description of how important this "fairness" is, is just as relatable as stories of insects mating and female eating the male at the end or some…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 02:50 PM
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I feel like that because while sex is not the be all end all of a relationship by any means, it's a signifier of closeness and trust. If she's willing to have a ONS with some rando hottie, then it loses its significance. Wait, so you're saying you would not engage in ONS or any casual sex even if given chance? If true, then I guess you're not hypocrite at the very least. I however think that your earlier point about "fairness" is still at best completely irrelevant. You would not be in LTR with …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 12:17 PM
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That kind of behavior is a disqualifier for LTRs. Well, you're free to feel like that. I'm just trying to comprehend why you feel like that. It's in no way taking anything from you, and it's not even really any of your business, so it feels such a bizarre fixation. And especially so given how TRP folk also tend to throw around the word "fair" around when this specific example pops up. That would explicitly mean you and the ONS are after the same thing. But no one ever tells if they think ONS man…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 11:15 AM
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So you were 2 months into trying to get ONS
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 10:26 AM
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So in the story above, you were two months into dating someone when actually you wanted just ONS, and you think it's unfair other men got ONS easier? And you don't see any problem with this scenario? How on earth does your ONS attempt turn into 2 month relationship, plz tell me.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 08:53 AM
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Second class in what? Like, trp folk never tell if they looking for ONS or relationship. They always share the exact same story of budding LTR a couple of months in and then complain she didn't treat them like ONS. Like, what do you want? What are we supposed to imagine the man in that story wanted, trying to do this 2 month preamble to ONS.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 06:30 AM
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My advice is to steer clear of those women. Having some resemblance of self-respect is not forbidden. If you're not given due respect, leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 10:10 PM
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What do you feel is a respectable way for a man to state that he’s only interested in further communications if sex is involved? Depends what do you mean. Are you saying you want to do ONS but are lacking the balls to say it out loud, or what? If you're actually interested in someone, spendidg time with them isn't a punishment, it's part of the fun. If all you see is a wet hole and you're passive-aggressively complaining how you think it's unfair you have to talk to the face hole before getting …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 09:43 PM
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But it seems so dumb. Because why be so eager to commit to a man that’s so judgmental? That actually wouldn’t respect you if he knew the truth about your casual tendencies? A friend of mine, a male, was adamant that when she met a girl he decided he wanted to marry(happened a couple of years later), he would on purpose delay having sex with her for months because he knew that if it happens too soon, his brain will just write her off from being potential LTR candidate. This was no minor considera…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 09:18 PM
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The point stands. A man with some integrity and confidence just would not end in that sorta situation. Either you want pump and dump and seek for them. Or you want long term relationship and pump and dumps a woman has had are entirely irrelevant. You don't get trapped into paying a month worth of dates when chasing pump and dump accidentally. That is very much intentional, voluntary, long term action, so either you're really clueless about yourself, a human slimeball, or both.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 02:13 PM
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A lot of women will say “it was just a casual encounter I found him attractive and he found me attractive and we just had sex, that’s a petty thing to argue about”. But it’s not because from a mans perspective what your telling him is that with all your “efforts” to pursue me it means nothing because since this man has better SMV than you my rules do not apply to him, but they apply to you. Hence the saying “women make rules for betas, break rules for alphas”. This pretty good way to condense th…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 02:06 PM
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The red pill is for the common working class man. Not really. At least in my country a working class man is a middle class man. If you can hold a job you're already above the social strata where TRP is effective. None here can pay a models expense. The sentence you wrote before the quoted one is broken, no idea what it meant. But this one... If you want to date models, surely you have reasons for that, so just go for it. If you feel insecure about your bank account, work on that. Personally I'm …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 01:22 PM
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So many of TRP observations seem to be adaptive heuristics when you cannot rely on your own good sense, institutions, impulse control, or people in general. Having confidence, intelligence, trust in your own social network, or society in general, any of those would just break the whole TRP narrative. TRP narrative requires you to be in hunger games type survival game with idiots, and your only way to survive is by having sex. Even tiniest alterations to that scenario break it pretty quickly. Ori…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 08:58 AM
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It's not really roleplaying as aristocrats. There are some functions in which in my country one sees more or less random sample of people, and in those I have interacted with the bottom of the barrel. And they generally seem to exhibit and enjoy TRP type lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 07:30 AM
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Something like bottom 10-20% I'd say. Depends on where you live tho, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 06:54 AM
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It gets some of the stuff seemingly right when it comes to lower, uneducated, low IQ social class. At least, as far as I can tell. Not sure if I simply buy into some of the same false stereotypes
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 09:20 PM
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For what it's worth, I'm browsing this sub somewhat often, and I've noticed that if I see some "red" thread which seems too low effort that I can't find any coherent enough, trp-style point to even make it worth my while to argue against it, when I come after an hour or too to check if it has had any higher quality responses, often the thread is gone. I didn't even notice since my assumption always was that those threads were highly unlikely to have any remotely interesting content in them, befo…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/20 08:25 PM
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The people who needs to be protected from the truth, is either too immature, or too damaged to be allowed to get out of a mental hospital. ​ For the rest, life is hard. You're engaging in one of the main TRP defenses, glorifying martyrdom, being prosecuted but woke victim. The sad part is, none of that is necessary. The martyr thinking that shields you from the stings of disappointments also alienates you from people. The feelings of hopelessness and other stressful, anxiety-inducing moods are r…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/20 12:21 PM
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This is a win for him. He got a chance to pass on his genes so he is not a reproductive failure I've asked from many people why they consider reproduction so important and I just get blank looks. It seems some people just consider reproduction innately valuable action that needs no justification. Which is fascinating, since for most people this desire seems to be either missing entirely, or at least orders of magnitude less pronounced than red pillers have it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/20 11:43 AM
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Referring to people as high value and low value is just a reflection of the idea that there is a sexual marketplace. Worth noting that this analogy to marketplace doesn't hold at all beyond having some things in high or low demand.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/20 02:34 PM
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The biggest thing I hear from people when I talk to them about pros/cons of kids, they say things like "what are you gonna do when you're old and nobody to take care of you" Have servants do stuff for you with the money you have saved by not having kids, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 05:54 PM
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No biologist would argue this. You've taken some 50 mile view synopsis of biology, told to you in a 100 person long game of broken telephone, and used it as a foundation for philosophy. There's so many things wrong with such a short comment you wrote.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 05:52 PM
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Why are you so adamant on attacking men who care about N-count? There are multiple red flags about that group of men that makes one really scared for any woman that is subjected to their influence. I'm not the one you asked from, but I do question these men to better understand if and what kinda danger they pose to themselves and others. In isolation I don't think caring about n-count is bad, it's just the very specific subgroup of men, frequenting pillsphere, hating high n-count for "objective"…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 09:02 PM
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And what makes you think that these comments are valid counter examples? This stuff is subtle and not easy to discern , I find it much more likely that the person with the counterexample is just not observant enough, to put it lightly. So you are able to do this discerning for thousands upon thousands of people across races, nationalities, social classes, education and income backgrounds but vast majority of people can't tell even if their own partner or their best friends or family members part…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 03:29 PM
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I don't need anything like that. I have real world experience and a pair of eyes Allowing you at best make gross generalizations and prejudicious judgments of people you've met. It still wouldn't explain the absolutely insane confidence you have in your knowledge about people in other parts of the world who you've never met, never seen, never interacted with. What makes you think that a biased anecdote on the internet is enough to "disprove" me?Comments on reddit aren't data You make absolute st…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 08:04 AM
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So when I provide a data point proving your claim wrong, you're gonna assert that this completely baseless claim of yours still holds and everyone else is lying, or worse, ugly? The curious part here is, you seem so sure of how all women behave, but rationally you must understand that for such a claim you'd need a loooot of data, with very careful analysis and very strict requirements on what kinda data would disprove you. You obviously don't have that, or anything close to it. You know I have p…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/20 06:52 PM
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Living together spells doom for the relationship because it exposes your weaknesses and because of familiarity, two silver bullets for the female libido. Have you considered relationship that's not based on dishonesty? It seems like if you're not trying to pretend you're something you're not, these problems would just go away and you could happily live together with your partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/20 04:20 PM
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Manipulation: Using harmful or deceptive social strategies that other person would not consent to, to achive particular kind of behavior. Lying is this. But also gaslighting, mental abuse, trying to damage someones self-esteem to make them act in certain way... I think more apt term for TRP goals is "hostile interactions". I'm not saying TRP succeeds, but I'm saying they are trying to cause harm because in their minds, that's the way to benefit themselves. That toxicity is why they are not toler…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/20 03:15 AM
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You are going to be miserable if you DO relax . This is just so sad. I'd really want to know who are the TRP people who manage to follow that sorta advice, and stay in a relationship for several years. Or do they simply not exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 05:41 PM
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Which religion was it? Also, how do you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 05:35 PM
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Even if I were to agree with that(I don't but I don't think it's that relevant), the question also becomes about what kind of behavior is sustainable and something that won't be damaging to your own mental health. That's kinda the core. TRP ideas are such that maintaining the pretense for the duration of ONS is already difficult, but for LTR you are gonna be miserable unless you are able to relax and be yourself when with your partner. And the sad part is, TRP folk usually just say that being mi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 05:04 PM
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Your scenario is ONS with a stranger you've never met before and who you will never meet again. The previous comments gave the impression you had longer term relationship in mind. As much as TRP loves to pretend otherwise, serious relationship isn't just extended ONS.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 02:13 PM
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Well, since there is a set of behaviors that are sexually attractive and a set of behaviors that are sexyally unattracrive, if I was interested in sexual relationships with a woman, what would I be if I didn't limit the sexually unattracrive behaviors? Normal people do this by flirting. However, there is no attempt to make it seem like flirt is your true self, it's presented as extra effort done to make a good impression. TRP teaches that this pretense must be impenetrable and you must never giv…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 12:05 PM
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"I have this chart that reduces people to integers between 0 and 10 and tries to reduce all dating to the number interactions, and for some reason it doesn't work. That must mean it is the world that is at error here" Having dignity and some self-respect and healthy self-image is not just for getting laid. I think the problem "blue pillers" have when it comes to communicating with TRP is that they assume everyone knows there is more to life than getting laid
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/20 03:51 PM
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Basically you were an asshole to some woman and felt like retelling that story here would give you positive feedback? And the way this post is an incoherent mess, I think you know you did goof'd, since even you struggled to spin this into something that would genuinely make you seem good. I feel like the subreddit you're looking for is "am I the asshole", although we both probably know the conviction already.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/20 03:37 PM
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I view not splitting the bill to be in most cases the less ethical version of prostitution. There are some edge cases, and I've sometimes accepted someone paying or paid myself, but those were really particular situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/20 05:01 PM
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So you're seriously asking why not be a deadbeat criminal abuser since some people get pussy despite being like that? I'm genuinely struggling to understand where this question is even coming from.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/20 04:45 PM
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Why are people leaving you?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/20 03:01 PM
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You've misunderstood the point of the exercise so darn hard. What "women want"(as if the women as a collective had a shared hivemind) is completely irrelevant. You're not doing any of this to please them, at least, not directly. But once you have good relationship with yourself, and can genuinely say you yourself are a good guy, you will, as a fortunate side effect, notice that it is really easy to be confident and likeable in a healthy way. You no longer seem to others like some dirty madman de…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/20 03:48 AM
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Like, I said, there’s something about romantic relationships that makes them different What's that something?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 08:39 PM
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If you’re saying that non-romantic relationships are a substitute for, and teach you how to act in, romantic relationships, then you are wrong. I am not sure how you can say it's wrong as it's what I literally did. Well, mostly by self-study, I was quite isolated
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 07:45 PM
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Funny you say that, since that's more or less the history of my dating life. Of course if you're saying incel is also excluded on all social interactions, even non-romantic ones, no job, no school, no hobbies, no friends, no family, no acquintances, yeah, then it would be more difficult. But I'm not aware any incels claim that obtaining hobbies is impossible for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 06:21 PM
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poor social skills leads to few social interactions few social interactions leads to lack of development of social skills You can do a lot of it alone. Basically the question is as simple as, become a person you like. That should alone be a very rewarding challenge, and if you make any progress in that, you'll quickly find tons of other people liking you as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 05:17 PM
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Mutual romantic act with someone else. The more involved they are in the act, the more explicitly romantic it is etc define the seriousness of it
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 11:08 AM
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Also I doubt you've ever been married because spending on frivolous things like Only Fans subscriptions is one of the most common marital problems. Uhm, just from this single sentence you've made it clear there is some sorta denial thing going on here. Onlyfans subscription in marriage is not a "frivolous thing". It's a symptom of things being really bad in the relationship, and if you disapprove it, it's basically softcore cheating. If you were to approve it, it might be some weird sexual outle…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 04:31 AM
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Said with confidence only complete ignorance can grant you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/20 06:22 PM
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The sexualisation and perversion of society is the postmodern feminist dream, they are hell-bent on destroying traditional views on sex to the point where they are prepared to corrupt the youth in order to achieve it. Oh how much I'd pay just to know more about these views and how you came to possess them. I wonder especially if traditional view of sex says that one should only engage in sex with aim to have a child, or is this some other tradition you speak of. I also wonder what's the corrupti…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/20 11:47 AM
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Divorce wasn't a quickie "at will" scenario, whether you cheated once matteredv(as did abuse, for the record), people once lived in communities with shared bonds and values that encouraged fidelity, as did mainstream cultural messaging, and much more. You're not answering, I asked when was this, and where. Also, lack of divorce options beyond cheating would make cheating MORE likely, don'tcha think? The point is that it's a distinct unknown. People should take whatever risks are worthwhile to th…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 07:33 PM
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he fact is until recently the situation was far more akin to a guarantee (due mostly to said social, legal, and cultural structures). Plz specify when was this mythical age of fidelity in marriage guaranteed by outsiders. General statistics cannot be used to predict the outcome of the individual. So you both are completely unable to use your own vetting AND you cannot believe in general statistics? Defying one is at least logically coherent, but defying both just breaks even just on barebones lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 06:47 PM
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Treats her as an adult, and you think bouncing is the right way to go?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 06:39 PM
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Generally speaking I find it fascinating that some first-world country would be backwards sexist enough that "men pay for dates" was a social expectation. Dunno. If you want to do this softcore prostitution either as a client or as a prostitute, go you. I am not into that kinda social dynamic.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 06:29 PM
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Significant number of people never in their lifetime engage in any kind of infidelity. That fact alone is quite enough to prove you utterly wrong. The rest is just detailing and flourish on that wrong. In your link the author mentions that the cases she discusses are a tiny minority, with vast majority of cheating happening in relationships or by people that anyone with eyes can detect.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 06:20 PM
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Again, these are all lies people tell themselves to console themselves. No, you're just claiming people are utterly blind. Vast majority however are not. Many however pretend to be, continuing relationships even after basically their entire social support network yells at them about how their love of a lifetime is unreliable and untrustworthy. You almost never hear of a cheating story where it actually came from nowhere, where you didn't have months of red flags just popping everywhere. Ever won…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 04:38 PM
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If you can't tell if a person holds fidelity in high regard or not after long and very intimate communication... Like, what are you even doing those months or years of getting to know them? Even if 99.9% of the time you were thinking about boobies when interacting with them, surely even the 0.1% of the remaining time would allow you to get a pretty solid idea of their character.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 03:57 PM
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I propose a simpler hypothesis: People who are good at social relationships are the ones that enjoy benefits of healthy social relationships, like good social circle, loving and healthy relationships etc. People that are broken one way or another end up suffering. And the "co-morbidities" of this suffering can be either unusually low or unusually high n-count. Either way, you'd expect the relationships they have to be damaged. People don't generally willingly enter toxic relationships, they're e…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 03:45 PM
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This sounds like a political jab of some sort but I'm afrard I don't know who you're making fun of and how.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 03:23 PM
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If you're into fidelity, date people who are into that too. If your playah strategies only work on people who don't really care about anything but that they get to fuck whoever whenever, maybe it's time to re-evaluate things. And if you only find those types of people attractive... well, tough luck. I'm not gonna step into your relationship to enforce fidelity just because you really want fidelity from someone that from the getgo is not gonna provide it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 07:22 AM
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Is "physical fitness" a virtue? Do I want it? Does it add value to a "good life"? The answer to two analysis questions you provided is a clear "yes". Does that now mean virtue ethics tells me it's immoral to not be in good shape? What do I trade if I prioritize physical fitness over, say, knowledge or social life, etc.? I don't know how to answer this one. Again this is not an issue for virtue ethics, specifically, what you're describing is a problem of metaethics—that is "What is the good and h…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 05:02 AM
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How is that different from coming to any other ethical conclusion? When we consider utilitarianism, we're presented with a framework, we consider how that framework plays out in various scenarios, and we accept or reject it based on its conformity to what we "know" to be right or wrong. That's not really how it's supposed to work. All the systems in terms of math jargon have enough free parameters to conform to anyones moral ideas. The problem is, you don't know the parameters. You do not know w…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 08:53 PM
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You're free to explain why you think virtue ethics isn't just something you can do if you've gone ahead and done all hard ethical soul-searching and decision making and just want to encode it. But virtue ethics does not provide tools to identify the virtues. Saying "I know it when I see it" can easily be countered by dozens of different lists of virtues proposed by dozens of remarkable ethicists.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 07:59 PM
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Ok let's bite that onion then. Mathematics is trying to solve a number of particular problems. Virtue Ethics is and has always been about one particular problem: How do I live the "good life" (how do I be my most virtuous self)? It's one of the many possible answers. And for reasons that u/wekacuck pointed out, it's not imo anywhere near the best answer. It's just pushing the question one layer further from being actionable or answerable, whereas many alternatives do provide very actionable ways…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 07:23 PM
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I've thought that I might be underestimating how true TRP tenents are about US, since I don't live there, and rather live in a country where gender equality is far far closer to reality. My overall impression is that US is a lot more... primal and primitive. The class system over there also seems like big thing that just doesn't translate to Nordics where I live. But yeah, I've never visited US, and all I know about it is from reading people talk about it, or watching US based media content. Als…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 03:35 AM
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Would it bother you if she took the lead during sex? Not really bother but for the most part I prefer to have the lead. So yeah, if that were to happen it would lead into negotiations eventually.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/20 09:14 AM
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Who is expected to pay on the first date? Both pay unless otherwise agreed upon previously. •Do you feel like as a man it’s your role to be the pursuer? Nope. There are scenarios in which this applies(during sex basically), but I'm quite tabula rasa when it comes to LTR • Would you feel immasculated if a woman took the lead and actively pursued you? I wouldn't care enough to notice it's supposedly out of place. Say if she took on the dominant role of caretaker and provider would you feel „useles…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/20 08:31 AM
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mostly average guys dealing with living in a society that values only the above average Nah, average guys do just fine in the SMP as TRP calls it. values things that mostly hinder healthy relationship development should one find themselves desiring that. TRP is basically antithetical to healthy relationships. And most of the people are not only capable of having healthy relationships, they end up in such. TRP however regularly frames healthy relationships not based on mental zero-sum battle with…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/20 11:50 AM
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But this also resulted in a situation where you had stronger males killing off weaker males and taking their women, and also women essentially being property with no rights. This sorta faux-historical nonsense is really annoying. This is all just plain wrong in the light of all that is known of humans and their evolutionary history. Wrong. Those prehistoric evolutionary sexual imperatives are still deeply embedded in our psychology These "deeply embedded imperatives" you speak of aren't even pre…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/20 11:51 PM
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Men here make civilization out to be some sort of selfless, benevolent favor they did women, when it is clearly something they did to benefit themselves, first and foremost What does this "they" refer to?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/20 04:38 PM
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How would I find out? I don't have any idea what's my own "objective attractiveness" and I don't think I'm that good at estimating it for others either, so it feels like the way I end up finding out would be big part of deciding my reaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/20 04:20 PM
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Men as a collective don't have some shared goals or will or plans, rendering your comment curiously nonsensical. I tried to figure out if some subset of men would fit this description, men who had significant power over this issue and caused this change to benefit themselves, but even the most generous reading of history seems to completely disprove your idea. If we venture even further from the words you used, in the name of generousness and trying to arrive at interpretation that's at least so…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/20 03:36 PM
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The thing is, it is, in reality, a game, a battle, whatever you want to call it. In the sense that there are winners and losers in every couple. This is such a curiously false statement in that I genuinely am not sure if you yourself believe it. I'm especially unsure as to what would be the best grounds for disproving it if you were to actually believe it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/20 09:31 AM
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The obvious absurdness of the claim, to the point anyone with two braincells and one second of time to think about it would realize it's blatantly falsee Making one wonder, what was the point there. Saying blatant falsehoods is not unheard of as a rhetoric device, but usually those uses are really tightly tied to some group and their traditions, making it really hard for outsiders to figure out what's going on with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/20 09:33 PM
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there’s much more validating in that as most men can’t get them Getting them ain't even difficult. The only question is, how much effort you're willing to put into it. Most men I know don't seem to see ONS's worth the night spent on them, unless it's a special occasion. here’s a victory in being chosen, any plain dude can get an LTR, that’s not a victory. That's the classic "grass is greener on the other side" type deal. Being an available body carries basically no glamor in it. Framing it as vi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/20 08:51 PM
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I didn't even notice the typo, but it doesn't make your claim make any more sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/20 08:30 PM
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One thing that people from the redder pastures seem to be extremely vague about is if they talk about ONS or some similar hookup, or a relationship. Personality is not that much of a selling point if you just want ONS. You need to be an available body. What the redder side of pill doesn't seem to understand is that women nor men here delude themselves into thinking they like the other person, know them, or any such thing. It's just trading to have basic needs met. You don't start relationships f…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/20 05:28 PM
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2.Female sexlessness is voluntary, make sexlessness isnt Umm... what?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/20 05:15 PM
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Less than 30% of guys failing to get laid (for reasons that aren't specified, by the way) That 30% was the number of 18-24y old men had been without sex the past 12 months. Someone focusing on their hobbies, taking longer break from relationships after their last one ended in some particular way, focusing on work or school at the expense of social life, that's all part of the 30%.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/20 05:12 PM
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You make absolute claims so single anecdote is enough to prove it wrong. Had you been more moderate in your claims, it would've been trickier to just one-sentence debunk you, but that's not the reality we live in, it seems. You're free to reformulate your claims in a way that they can't be debunked by a single case. I however often see that extremist cults really struggle when it comes to using reasonable, moderate claims, and I'm actually quite excited to see if you try reformulation or if you …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/20 04:03 PM
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I am happily in relationship right this moment. And yes, sex is involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/20 01:16 PM
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I genuinely don't understand why you'd be in a relationship where you feel that way. I know no man I know of would tolerate such toxic relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/20 09:16 AM
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This is not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/20 04:20 AM
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"done"? Even if I try to be generous I genuinely don't know what you could possibly mean by that phrase.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/20 04:09 AM
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I have roughly the same age gap but we're two years older. I don't think it's that weird. There are some aspects of the age gap that require a bit of extra attention, but it doesn't seem to be much more challenging than regular relationship overall.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/20 09:43 PM
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They don't want to be with a woman fucking them in exchange for being provided for, they want a woman that'll fuck them because she's sexually attracted to them Well, technically, it's someone who's into you physically AND is not interested in anything long-term with you. It's fascinating how TRP have managed to convince themselves that a woman wanting to stick by you long term is a bad thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/20 01:32 AM
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Brain in the wrong body type deal. I hope everyone will have medical help they need, including trans people. I wouldn't date a transgender person.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 12:28 PM
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This has a 50% suicide rate thus far. What's the rate for untreated gender dysphoria?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 12:09 PM
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Since this is the comment I wanted to write, I just want to add to OP that their comparison would be a lot weaker if they had added an actual 20s clip of Mozart, and an actual 20s clip of piano banging. At that point, you would end up having some small number of responders here actually say they preferred the banging.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 07:19 AM
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Women i've met with a high n count/behaves promiscuously show clear signs of trauma and red flags for long term compatibility. I've seen the same. Just, the causation is the wrong way around, those with some trauma ended up later in life getting high n-count, from what I can tell it's kind of a coping mechanism. But inspringly, I've seen some women who were traumatized when children, spent their teenage years and early adulthood in a very sorry state, get better. I've also seen many that didn't …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/20 05:21 PM
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OP advice seems like it's made by someone who has not ever actually met a person but has read books about people, written by people who never met people but read books about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/20 01:41 PM
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All of my friends who had casual sex when they were younger are either divorced or cheating. This seems like classic case of confusing the direction of causation.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/20 05:11 PM
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But then again, if I banged 30+ people before, I'd have problems settling down (and thus getting married) because the choices I made up to that point would have made it difficult for me to be happy with only 1 woman. How so? Genuinely curious. I can't see any logical connection there.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/20 05:09 PM
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this isn't merely 'they have' or 'they exhibit' these traits. You specifically chose idolize, a much stronger word. Also, interestingly, word with very different meaning. One key difference being, idolizing doesn't require and in fact weakly excludes the possibility of having the property in question. Sure, if we start replacing words I used, you could maybe have a case. You were clearly drawing a reference between nazis and TRPs. Even with the battered and abused logic, the best you could do as…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/20 08:55 PM
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Given that that wasn't at all what I said, it does seem interesting how you would come to such a wild misinterpretation waaaay outside of what simply misunderstanding a phrase or three can give you. But yeah, as far as we're not discussing weird quirks of your psyche, "that's not even remotely what was said" should suffice.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/20 05:21 PM
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TRP idolizes psycho type traits(if we are more specific I guess there are better ways to characterize the pathological traits but "psycho" is close enough for now), but obviously that adoring is not based on them being psychos. The fact that I, and many other red pilled mean still struggle with approach anxiety from time to time means we are not terrible people who wish to hurt or oppress women. Nope. You can very well be a terrible person with harmful motives even if you're not a psycho. Say, m…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/20 04:55 AM
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Select group of guys = 99.9% of male population, more or less.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/20 07:37 AM
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So why pretend that's related to science or some such nonsense? That's the silly part. Say openly that X causes disgust reaction in you and leave it at that. You're done
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/20 09:41 PM
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so yes, we do know the odds. You also know that outdoor ice cream consumption causes drowning by that logic. You know the odds, after all. It's just that the odds you know are not relevant to your hypothetical intervention in any way, shape or form. They do not help you choose less-likely-to-cheat bride-to-be. You can pretend that they are relevant, arriving at preposterously silly conclusions just because, but I really don't get the point of all this silliness. If you care about statistics, use…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/20 02:13 PM
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It is a gamble; you’re right. But if the prize is the same, why take the chance with the higher risk gamble? You literally do not know the odds because, in terms of statistics, you're doing intervention which has different probability distribution than the sample you use. Or in simpler terms, correlation does not imply causation. In slightly more detail, you have data collected of people about feature F which follows certain distribution, due to factors X, Y, Z, etc. You focus on factor X and us…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/20 12:07 PM
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Weren't you the one who I wrote long rebuttal of this text for, which you then left completely unanswered? The short version of this is that you're assuming wrong causal order, rotting, which stands for divorce/cheating, happening before you pick them, which stands for starting to date them. The long version requires deconstructing the whole thing and showing why if you try to make causal model closer to dating scenario, you notice that causality matters a lot. But because this long explanation …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/20 09:55 AM
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If the study had the opposite results, and I cited it, you wouldn’t be here spouting this drivel about pseudoscience and “CoRrEllAtiOn dOeSnT eQuAl CaUsAtiOn” It would still be wrong, regardless of me opting to point it out or not. Despite my best efforts, there are many people in this world that are wrong about things who I don't have the time to correct. Unfortunate, I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/20 09:49 AM
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The divorce and n count studies are very reflective of the real world. The problem being, they are about correlations, you need causation for the black pill conclusions. Basically, those studies, the wayethis sub uses them, are pseudoscience. Not in that people who made studies were bad scientists or anything, but their results are grossly misrepresented in this sub in particular. It seems very, very obvious that the yucky reaction "I don't want to put my pee pee where other man has already put …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/20 07:55 AM
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"Mommy" taught their boys to always respect women and not use them for sex. Perfectly doable to respect women and have sex with them. In fact, some people, like me, prefer it that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/20 06:04 PM
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nuclear family with a bunch of involvement from extended family. That's gonna either become not-so-nuclear family as involvement from others grows, or you gonna have to limit the involvement to retain boundaries of nuclear family.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/20 07:23 PM
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You can have an "isolated" nuclear family, in the sense that's it's a separate and distinct family unit, and still have extended family involvement all you want These are direct logical contradiction even before we venture into the wild world of looking at the real world
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/20 03:35 PM
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Those aren't even related to each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/20 05:12 AM
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Them being tired of playing the field should be obvious from the fact that they voluntarily quit it long before.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/20 03:27 PM
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Beside arguing that I'm not as attractive as average man, claim I'm not gonna bother arguing about, you haven't actually explained why attractiveness levels matter to the point you're making. Seems you're just making up rules to exclude evidence to the contrary, "too hot", "too ugly", "too rich", "too poor", "left-handed" and whatnot. You should explain who are the people who your argument concerns.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/20 03:26 PM
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But your average man cannot afford this luxury, especially after getting weighed down by kids Why are you having kids if you want to have casual sex? This sounds like dating from POV of someone who absolutely cannot comprehend any long-term consequences of any of their actions and blames it all on the society rather than their own past actions. Like, having kids entails settling down. Having kids and then being like, I also want to chase skirts but can't, that sounds like some ultimate man-baby …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/20 12:26 PM
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I don't see how that's in any way relevant to the point I was making though or anything you've said previously. Like, what's the attractiveness limit to be included in the point you're making?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/20 12:17 PM
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I am a living counterexample. My SMV was steadily going up as I got into my 30's, and I was starting to quite enjoy playing the field as you put it, but unfortunately, for your argument at least, I found someone I wanted something more with, pretty much by accident(on Tinder out of all places), so I was quite happy to stop with "chasing skirts" for something even better. The main difference is, I guess, that brains develop until late 20's with some quite key aspects of understanding and apprecia…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/20 10:47 AM
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If he has other things going for him. Confidence is one of the "other things going for him". Probably the most important one you can have, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 04:16 PM
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That's bullshit of the highest degree. It's really hard to come up with a scenario where confidence, even ill-founded one, is bad. It makes people view you more as a person with their own will though, so I guess in cases where you want to just blend in with your surroundings, confidence can be bad as it makes people notice you. But for most people, you don't want to blend in with wallpaper, you want others to hear out your thoughts, respond to you and interact with you as an equal. Understandabl…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 03:12 PM
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You ever been told to "just be yourself? I have. That's basically just a little different way of saying "be confident".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 01:21 PM
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Except for a lot of men, it isn't. Where have you ever heard any advice against being confident or social? Where in the world would you not get people tell you to be confident or go out more and talk to people if you complain about anything tangentially related to relationships? 'Masculine' is a bit wonky term I don't really want to touch here since defining it in a way everyone can agree upon is probably impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 12:10 PM
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I have met absolutely 0 people who partake in casual sex regularly and are actually decent people. Makes me really curious about your standards for "decent people"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 11:57 AM
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Eventually I don't care how easy or hard it is, there is a high rate of trans who transition back to their birth sex. Estimates being something around 1 in 100 to 1 in 20, most of them during very early stages of the transitioning.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 11:55 AM
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What delusion are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 11:52 AM
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This basically sums it up. It's especially weird since there are many small things about TRP where TRP has advice with some negative side effect, like giving advice that filters out all mentally stable women, and then go around and say AWALT and blame womankind for their bad experieces. It's a fascinating study on self-fulfilling prophecies.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/20 06:16 PM
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Not being emotionally damaged and having more emotional baggage than Heathrow airport isn't being stupid or blind, just lack of emotional scarring or at least ability to not let their scars define them entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 07:54 PM
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I don't think lack of correlation means what you think it means.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 08:40 AM
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You're just trying to redefine word to be another way to say "conforms to norms I like", when the word already has a different meaning. Being smart is usually taken to be about intelligence, understand relations, solve things, find out ways to act that make the world more according to what she wants. There's no reason to just casually obscure words by suddenly hijacking one word like that. It's the same as me saying woman being tall means she's really into art. Like, what? Why are we redefining …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 07:21 AM
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Doesn't sound like a good life to me. Mostly because I find value in social interactions and varied activities.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 07:13 AM
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My GF doesn't want kids. I am quite fine with it, as I haven't planned on having kids either.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/20 11:02 PM
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A woman past 40 without children has almost no value left. To you. No value to you. That's your personal valuation, plz don't pretend otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/20 10:52 PM
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Even for this subreddit that's quite a reductionist statement, reducing women to just braindead incubators. I don't mind otherwise but I sincerely hope you are not in position of power over any woman,
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/20 10:50 PM
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Or just not have kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/20 10:44 PM
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That's the Nice Guy standard for being decent. Lying, deception, manipulation, backstabbing and all those sorta things come naturally to Nice Guys and they never seem to consider those to be any sorta flaws in their "I'm a nice guy" self-image.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/20 06:19 PM
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Nobody said it did, but again, you'd think that the decent human beings were the ones having sex. They are tho. But if your only personality trait is "I'm not a murderer or rapist", and you then get angry when people tell you it's not enough, and decide to just subvert the advice and become a complete asshole because that surely works better... Well, that's not on society or on women, that's just you being mentally unstable and having some super antisocial tendencies.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/20 11:07 AM
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The other option is that I am really unremarkable and boring. That's not property of you but assessment of people looking at you. People are different, they have wildly differing things they find boring and interesting. But a lifehack I'm tempted to share is that people are lazy and usually don't really want to do in-depth analysis of people if given an alternative. And you do give them an alternative, want it or not, by showing them what you think of yourself. If you have bad self-esteem and th…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/20 09:50 AM
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Nope. I am a man that is unable to get sex bringing only looks and charisma to the table. I had to work to have money and show status in order to even be considered as an option. Not all men can get sex bringing only looks and charisma to the table. I firmly believe you just such at filtering for women. Plenty of women are looking for sex of no strings attached kind. Vast majority of them are not. If you're looking at women who are not into the whole no strings attached sex thing, you're gonna e…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/20 09:23 PM
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When he interacts with other women, besides his wife, do they want to fuck him? Let's say 1% of women he meets and interacts with want to jump his bones, others are not interested. Alpha or not? What's the threshold? Also, does it matter how much they want to jump him? Barely being able to contain themselves surely should count for more than just passing "I'd ride that" thought, or..?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/20 09:12 PM
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So basically, the question is if he can get no-strings-attached ONS if he wanted? Then obviously we get into a pickle since we're starting to talk about hypotheticals. Does any ONS count, or does it have to be with your relationship partner? If first, then any and every man is alpha, as there probably is no man alive that can't find ONS if they try hard enough. If with your current partner, you enter rabbit hole of deeeeeep hypotheticals "if we never had met before..." So either every man is alp…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/20 12:09 PM
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So rich, kind familyman pampering his wife with gifts who has only ever dated or had sex with one woman can be AF? I was under impression any TRP follower reading that description would categorically say the guy is betabux. I wonder if other TRP people dispute this. Also I'm kinda curious, do you think there is some way to differentiate between af and bb?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/20 09:22 AM
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Nope. The only way they are AF is if they can get sex bringing only looks and charisma to the table. This is only applicable if you're looking for ONS though. So if either you or the woman are looking for something else, this isn't applicable, since you're not looking for just sex with absolutely no strings attached. And if you have one night stands with no strings attached, well, you are getting laid bringing nothing but your looks and charisma to the table. Similarly, if you go for relationshi…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/20 06:16 AM
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So anyone looking for relationship is betabux by definition, and anyone going for one night stands is alpha by default? That's a pretty radical claim, I bet some TRP posters will disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/20 10:37 PM
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I don't think you do, unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/20 07:02 AM
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There are some fairly interesting possible causal pathways that go against TRP narrative. One I like is that high n-count would have overrepresentation of those with poorer impulse control and lower inhibition. Meaning, those that get married after couple of months of knowing each other would be way overrepresented, skewing statistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/20 07:01 AM
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In this post, the author cited a study that supports bloop beliefs It doesn't tho. It is not blooper belief. Why I didn't make top level comments on that post is because I thought post was lazy in ways that wasn't interesting. The way I read it, it attempts to be reductio ad absurdium of trp claims, taking trp claim but reversing genders. So the claim there is still just TRP claim, just mirrored because that's wacky way to generate discussion. Obviously then it's riddled with the exact same prob…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/20 11:37 PM
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Care to name one study that supports bloop beliefs where "correlation doesn't imply causation" is a relevant remark? I'm gonna bet no, but I'd be really happy to be proven wrong. I genuinely do care about being equally dick to everyone abusing data, science and such, regardless of me agreeing or not with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/20 10:20 PM
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Well, I'd be dead in the first case, in second case I'd want to make sure if I have music playing on my earbuds or am I dead, in third case I'd check my earbuds to see if I'm dead or not. But yeah, if you restrict all my options to act in any way to use any information about anything in any way because of imminent death, sure, it's not really useful. I'm trying not to read anything into you likening dating into a situation where you are completely powerless and at mercy of something way bigger a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/20 10:19 PM
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If I can summon a shark by choosing track on my spotify playlist, I sure would be way more careful about what I play. I certainly wouldn't want to be eaten by a shark just because I left my Youtube on autoplay for the night. On the other hand, if the causation goes from shark to Jaws theme, I could theoretically use it as shark detection device if I was into researching nature, but I dunno if I wanted to utilize this, I might end up asking some friendly biology professor if they have need for 25…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/20 09:28 PM
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Reminder that they are reporting on correlation. TRP requires this to be causation, but does absolutely nothing to research if that is the case. Correlation and causation are different things. The mistake made here is the same as people who think they are protecting themselves against drowning deaths by not eating ice cream, as ice cream consumption is correlated with drowning. It'd be genuinely interesting to discuss the possible causal explanations of the correlations observed, but to do that,…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/20 09:16 PM
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If most men could walk into a nightclub, grab the best looking woman there, and be home banging her in 15 mins, they’d be out every night. Aside from "best looking" bit, which makes this impossible for any living human, and aside from logistics which seem to assume you live right next to a night club, which most people don't, I'd say at least most men I've ever known are capable of this feat, with me having witnessed great many of them in action. Most men I know also are not doing it with any ki…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/20 12:55 PM
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I don't think that is surprising to anyone, I'm saying living next to a night club and having a coke habit are things most people would no to. Like, structuring your life around easy meaningless sex simply isn't a thing most people who have their shit together, do.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/20 12:33 PM
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There are still quite a few immovable parts in this equation. Like, you still have to contact a new person, negotiate when and where, be then and there. You spend one night just out of necessity on the deed itself. But actually meeting this new person takes some time and effort too. It ends up devouring a lot of your time, even if these are absolutely just one night stands. Even at one day per lay that's still 100+ days spent just chasing sex full time.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/20 11:54 AM
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100+ would require one to seriously start sacrificing aspects of their life just to chase that pussy. That's 4 months worth of one night stands. Much more if any of those are at all longer relationships. I'm not saying average guy can't do it. I'm saying average guy probably doesn't see the value in this proposition.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/20 11:27 AM
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Men have to be reasonably high value to have a high n-count, so women tend to value them more. If you're not in bottom 10%, your n-count as a man is limited by pretty much only how much you bother putting effort into chasing sex. You have to be really, really bad at social skills to not be able to get some if you put some effort into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/20 11:13 AM
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Religiosity for me is one of the few absolute, no questions asked, run away and nope out of everything type red flags. Don't want religious person as a romantic partner, sex partner, a friend or really even as an acquintance I'd have to do small talk with every once in a while. Just, nope.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 11:07 PM
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You just admitted you haven't read the study. Like, are you serious right now? How do you go about claiming what the study supports when you literally in the previous comment admitted you haven't read it and haven't got the foggiest idea what it says. I don't even know how to respond. The sheer audacity of your actions is something else man.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 09:56 PM
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If your only passion in this life is to date people, and you're failing at that... Well, that's a pretty sad existence. And when you're failing at the one thing you're sacrificing everything else to do, your psyche will raise all sorts of defence mechanisms that any sane person can detect a mile away, and which act as huuuuuuge red flags, "this person doesn't have their shit together, at all". Whereas if you follow your passions which you find rewarding, you're gonna learn all kinds of soft skil…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 08:23 PM
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Are you not even ashamed? Like, you were caught red-handed just abusing papers without reading them at all, you do know how to feel shame, right? Like, TRP is just unique in the way they abuse scientific literature. You don't see any other pseudoscientific groups engaging in this sorta abstract spam where people don't necessarily even pretend to have read papers, they are just content that they found one-line quote that when detached from any context could be seen as supporting their viewpoint. …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 07:04 PM
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The study is based on internet questionnaire where indicator of "mating performance" is self-report of questions basically amounting to "Do I feel adequate for romantic relationships, do I feel like I could attain one if I wanted to". I do well in romantic relationships. I find romantic relationships difficult. Some people are doing well with romantic relationships. They find partners easily and have no difficulty in keeping a romantic relationship. This description characterizes me. I find it e…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 03:08 PM
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https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886918305348?via%3Dihub Honest question, have you read this study? I did, because you linked it at me, and from having read it I'm almost 100% sure you haven't read it, because all it does is make my point for me, there's a vast difference between being voluntarily sexless and feeling inadequate for romantic relationships/sex. If baffles me when people use scientific papers as bludgeoning weapons like this, seemingly trusting that no one…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 02:14 PM
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Literally in the OP. Unless you don’t consider sexlessness to be lack of intimacy. OP listed stats saying young men haven't had sex. It did not distinguish between those that chose not to have sex because they have other things going on in their life, and those that view lack of sex detriment to their life.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 01:10 PM
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Height is mostly influenced by genetics The word "mostly" being crucial. So the problem that short men face is that they are more likely to be from a low social/financial status family? The problem you face is that you're attributing unknown amount of things caused by being from poor family to being short. And because you're not doing the minimum effort of sanity checking your results for alternate explanations, you have these glaringly obvious confounding factors completely ignored wasting all …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 11:56 AM
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Regarding the post you made... You seem to be preaching to the choir. You're not really making any attempt at looking into alternative explanations of the data, like, you make this long long post about how height affects things... ...But you never bothered to check any of the obvious confounding factors that could be the underlying cause for both. Say, height is known to correlate with your parents financial status at and couple of years after the birth. If you're born to poor family that's poor…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 10:54 AM
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So we have a growing population of men starved for intimacy Citation needed Just because someone is not having sex doesn't mean they are starved for intimacy. Many of my friends, after losing their virginity, lost interest in sex for years and only much later have come back to trying to get into this whole dating/sex/relationship world. Like we’re supposed to be relegated to this role of a subhuman attention scavenger? No. You're free to take on the role of subhuman attention scavenger. If you d…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 10:25 AM
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When you start with a blatantly false premise it's really hard to continue from there since I don't know what magic holds this "ugly men can't get relationship" universe together. Like, would this magic affect other social relations too?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 10:19 AM
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N-count of 9. 32M. Currently in my first and hopefully only ltr, others were specifically either ONS or some FWB type setup. Heavily introverted. 9 in satisfaction, nothing much to complain about. Don't know how to answer the last question.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 04:42 AM
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It’s pretty hard not to date narcissists in 2020 if you’re trying to date women. They’re at least 50% of the market. Oh you're doing the thing where you say provocative obviously false thing and I'm then supposed to choose if I'm gonna just let it slide because we both know it's false, or if I'll be a stickler for accuracy? And who’s trying to buy their way into a woman’s pants? Most women won’t go on a second date if you don’t pay for the first. Depends on the culture I guess, I'm not sure why …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/20 08:15 PM
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To receive his wonderful prize, he has to muster up the courage to approach and proposition dozens of women, convince them to agree to a date, and then plan and pay for said dates. He will be ghosted. He will be used. He will waste hours in the company of exasperatingly selfish, narcissistic and boring people. I would heavily recommend using at least some baseline filter beside "she has good ass" on the person you spend all this effort on. Like, try to figure out anything about her personality, …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/20 07:51 PM
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Absolutely zero fucks given. But, being extremely tall, naturally quite buff dude, I don't think there are many women fitting that description, so I never really considered it a real possibility. But just to keep me happy, you still should give jars to me to open. That's the only time when I want to be the Big Strong Man in the house.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/20 09:23 PM
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christianity, Islam, Judaism I was thinking that you're gonna just claim that religion is three. Like, they literally use same holy texts. Yes, I know Abrahamic religions support your point well enough. However, given that you claimed some sort of universal truth beyond just one cultural zeitgeist of one sheep herder gangs customs, I specifically asked you to name OTHER religions. Please do. You tried your best to research on your own, really? You couldn't find anything anywhere about how valued…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 09:00 PM
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Take any of the prominent religions. They all have similar viewpoints on virginity. Okay, please describe to me buddhism or shinto or taoism treat virginity. I'm really struggling to find any support for this point of yours from their texts. But, hold up a second so, let me get this straight. You were okay with using roman culture when you though it supported your narrative. An entire essay could be written on the points you were trying to make. But all of a sudden because something doesnt suppo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 08:38 PM
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No children existing or planned.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 08:12 PM
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we are talking about how men view virginity And your analysis is to take a single religion, figure it's man-made therefore all its views correspond to mens deepest desires, and then kinda just assert without analysis that virgins = better. This is such gross oversimplification of so many things I feel like just addressing all the things you're oversimplifying requires a long essay. ...think about human history. Women were considered to have lost their value when they got divorced or when their h…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 08:11 PM
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I am a man, but my argument really had nothing to do with my gender, so I'm especially fascinated by this. Fragile masculinity much?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 07:31 PM
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And did you just happened to gloss over the religion comments? You know, religions that shaped and governed many nations throughout our history? Religions being sex-negative is a bit too big of a topic to dwell on here. I'm just gonna pass it as irrelevant, on the same vein as religions deem certain foods sinful, combining fabrics in clothes sinful, or how devout followers of god are supposed to just refrain from sex entirely. You're gonna have to entirely ignore religions function as a arbiter …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 07:08 PM
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We arent talking about ones ability to divorce, we are talking about a person's ability to re-marry. Yes. Divorce seems like a thing you'd do before re-marrying. Ancient Greece, it was basically non-issue, no one cared. In Rome, divorce was done by "I no longer consider myself married". You weren't even required to inform the other participant of the marriage. Meaning you could remarry even while other person thought they were still married to you. But I feel like the most telling part of their …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 05:52 PM
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It is natural for men to care about n-counts. How do you know? Women were considered to have lost their value when they got divorced or when their husbands died What societies are you thinking of? When trying to think of ancient examples my first thought is to go for ancient greece or rome. Ancient Greece has on their wikipedia page "divorce being basically non-issue", ancient rome page reports kinda similar story, notable quote is how one emperor saw it as a problem how Roman men and fathers di…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 05:15 PM
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So, in other words, men who make 6 figures are more attractive to women Not necessarily. It's just that every auxiliary thing about dating that you can smoothen with money, well, you can smoothen with money. Want a particular kind of room to spend time with each other? Money solves that. Transportation between places of interest? Money. Any auxiliary experiences like, going to some high end restaurant, going to some place with awesome view, doing something like riding fast with a boat or flying …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 04:43 PM
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Fact is, men who make 6 figures have an easier time in the SMP, what you experience is irrelevant. Is there an aspect in life in which people making 6 figures are not playing on easy mode? "Being rich makes everything easy", more news at 11. I dont make anyone reveal anything. So how do you know? Where did you gain this insight into male psyche without even asking men if they agree with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 03:20 PM
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It's like if you ask a woman if a guy making more money makes him more attractive. In about half the couples I know, female partner makes more. Also isn't the big TRP thing how money doesn't make you attractive? Isn't that the crux of the whole afbb? You've likely "never met" them because they dont tell you. Do they tell you? Can you share the secrets of how you make them reveal these things to you? No man would ever sit there and say "I dont care" I would.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 03:00 PM
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Imagine if every woman was a drug user and none of them would speak to you if you didn't show up with 10 grams of whatever drug they wanted. your cost of getting to know them would be the cost of the 10 grams, that is the price for them. I wouldn't speak to women then. Seems quite straightforward. The average guy would react the same way. How do you know? I don't think I've ever met anyone sharing this thinking, at least, none of the people I've had heart-to-hearts have ever shared any sentiment…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 11:37 AM
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You mean to say, you don't want to put in the effort. Plz don't drag other men into this, this is your personal battle.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 11:12 AM
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If that friend of yours always expects you to call, always expected you to set up the times to play tag, and to, say, find and reserve places to play tag, than at some point you are going to wonder why you are playing tag with this person at all. It does sound a bit unhealthy but given that every people have their own agreed-upon dynamics, it might be something that works for them. Personally I prefer to divide the labor on this part about evenly. Sex is both of us responsibility. The only bit w…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 11:09 AM
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"having sex" is not exactly the depth of "knowing yourself" that women are looking for. It seems like you are not one of the men who knows what they want, so I feel like to make this explanation work I need to talk about some other domain. Like, if you're delivering letters to some people, knowing what you want is akin to knowing the route you want to take, and following it. Your gf on the passenger seat can ask questions about future and get quite reliable answers, and that's because you not on…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 06:51 AM
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But, did you appraoch your partner the first time or did she approach you? It was on Tinder so I said hi first. Did you plan the first date or did she plan it? Mutual planning Did you pay for the first date or did she? I hosted, she brought gifts. If that is the price, then that price is better paid with someone who is a virgin or has a low n-count (ie. "new") then someone who's fucked every dick in town (ie. used). It's still hard for me to get in the mental state you describe here. Let's say y…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 06:16 AM
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And this number comes straight from...? But at least you're saying 40-45% of men should admit they prefer virgin to non-virgin, no matter by how slim margin. Do you have any data on this? I tried googling for a while about it, but didn't find anything to know if your 40-45% number is even close. Of course, then you add 40-45% to that with no justification whatsoever and even make it so that no observation of reality can ever disprove your claim. I don't comment further on those ghastly 40-45%
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/20 04:11 PM
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No man wants to admit n count matters due to the seething response from normies I find it funny how you admit that most men find the idea of n-count mattering ridiculous, while still kinda trying to claim "men value virginity". Like, one of them gotta go. Either you have men value low n-count, or you have bunch of normies who really don't value it and also are angry at you if you value it. Which is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/20 03:34 PM
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I like the mistreatment part too!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/20 02:03 PM
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I'm a man and I never understood this. My friend groups haven't really talked about this either so I've been thinking of making an informal gallup. I have discussed sex deeply with many men and women, 1 on 1, with confidentiality, and not a single one ever has even hinted that n-count was something they had ever even considered. I have learned of so many small little things wrong in different peoples sex life, down to various kink incompatibilities, expectations during, etc. But n-count, never. …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/20 10:50 AM
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Yeah. It's this new progressive liberal thinking. Pretty wacky stuff but I have a feeling it might catch on!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/20 10:51 PM
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That's the trick. I actually didn't buy my partner at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/20 10:35 PM
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Or asexual. Or young. Or asocial. Or someone that has low sex drive and hasn't really had time to go for sexual stuff. Or thousand other things. But yeah, I guess people are just gonna accept that virginity fetishzation is a thing that just happens here.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/20 10:22 PM
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Men love so much they can't stomach the thought of getting cheated, cucked or being left for someone else. That's not really love, that's obsession + trust issues. Not a pretty combo. Also noteworthy that you seem to confess strong, undying love to the concept of women. Not any individual women. To me that's mighty creepy and I feel like it should be pointed out.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/20 10:18 PM
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I established what I consider to be a causal relationship and why. I meant from the actual data. If you are not planning on pretending that this causal thing is more than your own inference, and you're willing to explain your reasoning for it when asked, I'm cool for now. This sub has plenty of people that like to be reeeally nasty in how they subtly misrepresent studies and scientific research, and that's a pet peeve of mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/20 09:37 PM
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The basic premise of the argument is that connection needs to be shown, not disproven. Just showing two trends that happen to coincide without further explanation is an utter null result. Especially since you spoke of liberation as singular event, and after that of trend in happiness. I can show you that popcorn causes clinical depression if you're into any other funky charts like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/20 09:25 PM
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Women's happiness has been declining continuously since they were "liberated", and that proves that that "liberation" was the exact opposite of what it was sold as. Actually no. If anything, it would be quite convincing proof that liberation isn't that big of a thing in this picture and some other forces are way more impactful. I'm not really into sociohistorical debate like this but I just really get annoyed when you don't have your own internal logic in check.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/20 09:15 PM
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It's more like not being able to swim and drowning deaths being related. If you had that, you'd have causal relationship. If you did, that's great. Please show me.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/20 09:09 PM
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Well, I find it polite that you, however hostilely, acknowledge that you've lost your ability to continue discussion while holding onto your viewpoint. There are way more annoing ways people have kept going. I just wish you'd take that as a sign that maybe you should re-evaluate your viewpoint, I'd imagine running away while throwing insults after having your throwaway statements disproven would get old pretty quick.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/20 09:07 PM
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Having thought about what would be the least modification to make to your scenario to make it reasonably applicable, I'm gonna just go with these: Since infidelity is an action that happens in marriage, not some pre-determined fate, I'm gonna go ahead and change the "being rotten" to "will end up becoming rotten after a short while". Like, you have to be able to take your new wife fresh from wife-dispenser home before she can cheat on you. Another thing I'm gonna change is that I'm gonna argue t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/20 07:52 PM
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Only if you believe your choice of apple is a random action. It's kinda reasonable an assumption for a barrel of apples. But for dating, it seems a little bit.. weird to pretend every woman was equally likely choice. But yeah, if you do find a machine that dispenses random wife for you, and you have infidelity statistics available, correlation 100% is as good as causation. Unfortunately I think we don't have that device yet. Edit: having thought about it, actually, notably no one can be allowed …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/20 07:02 PM
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Not all of them cheat, but most do Not most of them, even. And this before we even start discussing possible biases in these statistics. For the typical starter piece, do remember that you have found correlation, not causation. It's more or less the same as not eating ice cream during summer because ice cream sales are correlated with drowning deaths. "Why take the risk?"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/20 06:46 PM
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Okay. Any woman who has conned a man into a relationship with them by lying about their n count, I condemn such action. I haven't really met any women who have done this so I'm forced to use reddit as a platform for my strong message. Hope that's enough!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/20 05:32 PM
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It is quite apparent to me that in the years that "matter" in dating (20-30) I'm gonna make a wiiiild bet about your age here.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/20 05:26 PM
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So basically, just do what benefits women? See here fellas, women don’t care about what’s best for you, they only care about what’s best for them. Act accordingly This is wrong on so many different ways I think exhaustive list would be way too long a read that it would end up being way less convincing than picking one or two main errors here to chew on... So let's go. 1) Them being ready and willing to commit now means that you should then either reject them(because of the cultural value we call…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/20 05:22 PM
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There really are going to be men and women who are, on average, just less attractive or valued in the mating game by the typical member of the opposite sex. But simultaneously, because no one can date "median woman", it is wholly irrelevant to your dating success what average woman thinks of you. As long as there are people you are interested in, who are interested in you, it's just a filtering/searching problem. And notably, with 7 billion people on this Earth, it is more or less guaranteed to …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/20 05:00 PM
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I don't see how your initial list addressed any of these points. Most of that list seems completely irrelevant in relation to this standard. Like, who cares about couples being looksmatched or not. Also, you did not mention anything about obligation for couples to produce offspring. Also I'm kinda uncomfortable with this recycled nazi propaganda with modern alt-right dressing idea about population dynamics. But more to the point, the great problem with demographics now is that boomer generation,…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/20 02:43 PM
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Heck some of them still date. Umm, isn't that exactly against the whole concept of mgtow?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/20 02:27 PM
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It is the "ideal" on a societal level. Can you define what it means for something to be ideal on societal level? To me it seems like having huge costs to individuals -- who are forced out of relationships they want and into marriages they don't want, with people whose qualification seems to be "looksmatch" so I'm not sure if these people even like each other -- would quite automatically mean that is not even close to "ideal". "Alpha" males enjoy fucking alot of different women they won't commit …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/20 02:07 PM
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This surprisingly good analogy, But stretching it a bit, do you see mgtow's as special "addict" group. Like, consuming alcohol does not make you an alcoholic, addicts are those that have special weaknesses towards alcohol, for whom the thing others can handle with ease turns into a force that twists your life out of its socket. But do you see mgtow as having similar problem. Most people can interact with women just as well as men, and almost half the population can have relationship with a woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/20 01:59 PM
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Ideally, men would marry their looks matched female in their early 20s How about men and women who don't want to get married that early? Do you plan to force them to do so, or brainwash everyone to want this same ideal, or what? Also, why looksmatched? If I happen to find someone I really like and who really likes me back but one of us is uglier than the other, you would prevent us from getting together? I guess the big question is, for whom is this thing you describe "ideal"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/20 01:36 PM
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Let’s face it. Women are so low quality, at suck a high price, it’s really stupid when you waste time doing the math. What is exactly the value gained? If you feel that way about relationships, great. I fully support everyone making their own priority lists for life. But I also quite dislike it when people try to prescribe their own priority lists unto others. Like, for me, relationship is insanely good a thing. But it would be silly if after finding a really good relationship, I'd come and pret…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/20 12:36 PM
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I think one of the most interesting failures of terpers is the way they treat smv as a real thing, and specifically, as a real thing that is largely able to determine compatibility between two people for relationship. That's not how real people work. Like, even for just casual hookups, absolutely no strings attached one night stands, people are more complex than this smv idea gives them credit for. And for anything even slightly more serious, the problems compound. Why this matters is that peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/20 08:04 AM
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Dunno, I have never experienced that and probably never will. I can't really imagine the feeling, it's supposedly something else entirely. But on the same token, it's supposedly something else entirely, not comparable to say love between wife and husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/20 06:36 AM
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What's this "unconditional" nonsense? Unless you want just a brainless slave, you will want conditions. But hopefully, by hard work, you can reduce those conditions over time. Like, let's start with basics, if you farted on your girls face in a public place, would whatever you have survive that? If yes, that's one less condition. But between that and murdering her loved ones, surely there is some point where conditions are enough to make her call it quits. You expand into the land of conditions …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/20 07:40 PM
1

I would recommend spending way less time on facebook/instagram. Many really good reasons but for you it would probably improve mental health situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/20 04:17 AM
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That's against most US states law, so these men probably should hire better lawyers.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 09:45 PM
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Well, I'd love to prove you wrong but I need to know what do you mean by "anyone attractive". Looks are notoriously subjective, so it seems like that wording has to be clarified before one can even figure out what you mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 06:30 PM
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Oh ok I always assumed you could just say I am getting a divorce, get a lawyer and demand cash and prizes from the man straight away. This is just so wrong. For starters, only the stuff that you have acquired during the marriage would be up for splitting, unless both parties want to make special arrangements. Even then, you'd probably have considerations of, who did contribute most into this or that thing. And also worth noting that contested divorce is really expensive in itself, you are not ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 06:20 PM
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You will not convince me otherwise. You know that you've been had, bamboozled, and your belief system is most likely a lie, if you ever have even an inkling to say that type of sentence out loud.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 02:21 PM
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If anything the beta had to work harder at the office to get his six figure salary than the alpha had to work at the gym to get his six pack I'm just gonna go with six figures. Full stop.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/20 03:51 PM
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Developing basic social skills seems way easier in comparison, how does that compare?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/20 04:04 PM
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The fastest and safest way to get a girl in your bed is to be the front man of a rock band, a hip hop superstar, a pop superstar or a famous Hollywood actor. Sorry, just to clarify, how long does it take to get there, and can you get detailed guide on how to get there? To me that sounds like a rather involved process, and I can't even act or sing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/20 03:29 PM
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Obviously make her a sandwich. Would finally be a chance for me to repay for the sandwiches she's made for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 05:23 PM
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Virgins seem to pair bond more and cheat less. Or, they are asexual or have very small interest in sex, or are heavily religious which tends to go with "divorce gets you to hell" so they are not getting out of marriage no matter how bad it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 08:13 AM
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The pair bonding bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 08:08 AM
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Yep. They talk over the top of women. Dismiss their ideas. Talk to them in condescending tones. Men get promoted over women who are better at the job. I didn't see much of men interrupting each other - I really only saw them doing that to women. They would listen intently when another man spoke and take him seriously. I've tried to observe this the best I can in my life, and I've noticed that women are just as a rule way way less likely to fend for themselves. If a man gets interrupted, they try…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 08:02 AM
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The more information and accurate models of reality you have, the more accurately you can project into the future. I'd agree in principle, but TRP seems to be into quite freeform style of science
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 07:45 AM
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Npd does little to nothing to hurt the capacity to empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 07:43 AM
1

But despite everything having it, naming two species that have it is not something you're willing to do?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 05:44 AM
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Name two animals that have this "primordial force of nature". That was my original request too. You're free to argue lions have it but you gotta do way better job there.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 09:26 PM
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women hating manlets is just like guys not liking high n women, a preference. As far as it's portrayed as a preference, I don't think anyone cares. It's when TRP brings in pseudoscience to the mix to justify their preference that we start having a problem. It's both dishonesty about facts, but also intellectual dishonesty, motivated reasoning for example, that make it so frustrating to watch.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 05:31 PM
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Care to elaborate? From quick googling, it seems that lions have small pack, 5-40 lions, with 1-3 adult males in it. Any male lion cub that's about 1 or 2 years old gets pushed out of the pack, and they then either take over some other pack, or become nomads. As a result, the 1-3 males are either single lion that took out elderly male from this pack(or started it anew), or brothers who worked together to overthrow perhaps more fierce opposition(or started a new pack. Sometimes young females are …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 05:23 PM
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Height guys under 6ft Women are the perpetuaters of this, not men. It's called a preference. Accept it and move on. Also worth noting that men indeed do lie about their height, however pathetic it sounds. Especially online dating. I think it's silly since it's a lie where you will get caught so easily, but other than that, you're still lying about a single number. It's not the end of the world. But imagine the outcry if women started scamming men into giving them accurate measurements of their h…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 02:31 PM
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I literally see it all the time around me. 3 examples please
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 12:50 PM
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Can you name two animal species that have alpha that's not based on parental relationship(pack leader being one of the parents of the rest of the pack, say)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 09:12 AM
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What kind of magic shield you are imagining for protecting men from consequences? Being shot in self-defence seems like a noteworthy consequence, would this magic shield deflect bullets? How about social repercussions? Would this magic shield brainwash everyone else to forget atrocities committed by them? How about two magic shield interacting? If someone uses this anarchy to gossip, and some other man gets annoyed by it and shoots the person, would the magic shield of first man kick in and defl…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/20 11:14 PM
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So if studies about this relating to satisfaction surveys, divorce rates and such disagree with you, you're probably gonna just remain unconvinced?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/20 08:02 PM
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All those women out-earning their husbands hate and resent them, they want men who are better than them, not less than them And they got married and stayed married because..? Like, I'm not sure if you are convincing even yourself with that sorta statement, it seems so outlandish and obviously false that it's hard to take it seriously enough to argue against it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/20 06:15 PM
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never lie to her because she deserves it for simply being born a woman Mostly because she was born a human, and in general I try very hard to treat others with respect I wish to receive myself. Especially anyone that I consider close to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/20 06:11 PM
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When I was very young, I noticed I had something best described as brain damage that made me behave different from what I wanted, made me an outcast and all that. As a young child I entertained the idea of suicide, but when I was about 10 years old, I decided that fuck it, I'm gonna just make the best of what I have. As a result, I have tried my best to think how I want to behave, and trained to make my actual behavior match that. At around 17 years old I encountered PUA, and thought it was the …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/20 03:25 PM
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confidence, personality, stability, intelligence? These + taking care of yourself, including your body, is my experience. It kinda falls under "stability" but imo is worth pointing out separately. Especially confidence. You can move mountains with that stuff. As a sidenote, I think that's the main reason PUA and such get such good results. Confidence in some system, even badly working one, just makes you seem so much more attractive than being clueless and lacking in confidence. For that reason …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/20 01:56 PM
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What you're trying to get at, "what's your attitude towards casual sex" is more meaningful, sure. You're just trying to reduce that question into a single number, because reducing people to numbers while trying to find relationship is such a brilliant idea. And because you're not really asking about what you're interested in, but using some proxy, you are infact asking about just a single number. Number which incidentally many people are not comfortable sharing too early and which really isn't y…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/20 01:47 PM
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I'm against that as well, but I feel like lying about single number is still orders of magnitude less disgusting than faking your approach to life in general. Also notably, you rarely see people giving the advice of "just lie about it" for women. Of course, if you watch content aimed at men for dating, I know for example one Dan Bacon guy has long video series about how to dodge questions or lie your answer to them in a way that it's hard to get caught doing it. It's more of a PUA thing but stil…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/20 12:39 PM
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I find it somehow mind-boggling that lying is so casually accepted by trp as valid dating strategy. It takes certain kind of emotional damage to be okay with that, ordinarily humans would at least be somewhat ashamed of lying or try to justify it or any such normal reaction when values and actions are not in alignment. The scary part of TRP sphere is how they try their best to normalize all sorts of absolutely horrible actions, and based on comments like this, it's working extremely well.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/20 12:13 PM
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Out of your options 1 or 2. 1 is caricature answer with comparison to women being total non sequitur to be shot down later, but I feel the part about young male sexlessness being a myth is probably pretty close to the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 03:28 AM
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Is this a joke?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/20 05:16 AM
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This subreddit has men from a very fringe subgroup. I had not heard of the n-count obsession during my +30 years on this Earth as a male, before finding this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/20 09:49 AM
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I'd agree with you about everything except DNA glorification. It reeks of superstitious pseudoscience to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/20 06:42 PM
2

So I assume you're a traditionalist who believes women and men are not equal in power in a relationship? I'm genuinely curious about that. I always viewed "men pay and no splitting" as softcore prostitution of ye Old Times, and it seems puzzling to me seeing woman with income expect that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/20 12:11 PM
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So in which countries did legalizing prostitution increase human trafficking?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/20 06:44 PM
2

What are these cases? Germany and..? You speak of plural cases, so surely there is some other country there?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/20 06:38 PM
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It takes time. OLD is not gonna time skip weeks, months or years of getting to know each other. Also you want to find someone that you match with on some level, if you have any standards that's one in a thousand or less. But tinder and such are unfiltered, you get to see more or less 1000 people before seeing photo of one person that's even a potential match. And hopefully your swipe game doesn't get rid of that one. Which is why the "blue pill" strat of just following your personal passions and…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/20 11:30 AM
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if women cared about adultery; women would have a lower std rate compared to men I have tried to understand what you might mean by this. How in your mind these things are related? In your answer, please use the fact that in penetrative sex, the penetree has far higher chance of receiving std than the penetrator.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/20 08:19 AM
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it moves to why are so many women ruining relationships? You think these women are walking out of happy non-ruined relationships? Like, woman catching her husband cheating on her that calls for divorce is ruining a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/20 04:42 AM
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What's wrong about the statement "heterosexual men like feminine women more than masculine women"? That for the sentence to even be wrong, you'd have to present functional definition of what's feminine behavior. It seems that you're trying to use "whatever is traditional in the area I happen to live in" as stand-in for what is biologically feminine behavior, which is both wrong as it confuses social norms and traditions with biology, and it's poor communication since readers are not just people …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/20 11:47 AM
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I mean, I'm kinda on the same boat. I'd want that to be the automatic thing people just do, not because they distrust their partner but because it's a proper thing to do. I just don't know how to achieve that world. I feel it's gonna have to be a political/bureaucratical thing, where birth certificate has "dad unknown" until some test is done to establish paternity, and hospitals do that test by default when someone is available who mother and father candidate think is the dad. It makes sense to…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/20 10:03 AM
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Feminine instincts are female psychology. You can measure them by observing women. I have read a lot of books on psychology, but never about female psychology. Feminine psychology, kinda "feminist counter to mainstream 1920's psychology" sounds almost the same, but I haven't found them talking about "female instincts" like IOI's. So all in all it sounds like you're just projecting your own value system onto the world and pretending it's "female nature", with little in terms of supporting this as…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/20 09:57 AM
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A woman who approaches has poor feminine instincts. What are these feminine instincts, how do you measure them, and why do we care about them?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/20 07:09 AM
1

You seem to have very very simplistic/wrong impression of genetics.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/20 04:01 AM
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If you feel like getting a paternity test, your relationship is probably over already anyway, and has been for a while. The unfortunate part is just that you're realizing it after bringing new life onto this Earth, you should've thought about it 9 months earlier.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/20 08:31 PM
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If people want to be superficial they have to do it the right way Right way according to what metric? Also why do you propose you, me or anyone else on this subreddit cares about what superficial people do, as presumably one would prefer not to have relationship with such a person.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/20 04:28 PM
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People can hate their own looks no matter how they look. And likewise, people can be content with their looks no matter how they look. I remember a time when I was about 7 years old and was really pissed off that I had broken brain when everyone else got a working one. I went through all the stages of grief with that, but the healing doesn't start until you accept the reality and start trying to make the best of it. Anyway, very likely your looks are mostly irrelevant to your success with anythi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/20 04:21 PM
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They increase if you want to increase them. Its your life, if you want to have sex later in life, do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/20 12:42 PM
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You're providing sources for claims that you don't seem to actually make or even care about, while leaving your core statements entirely without sources. Just as a reminder, this started from your thread where you claimed future cheating women lie about their sexual partner count and it's leading them to assume everyone else lies too. Except, beside you making the claim, you presented no evidence suggesting any of that is true. You then doubled down on completely unrelated research by saying 1/6…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/20 09:14 AM
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So you cite numbers only to be like "these numbers are false, let's just use ones I invented instead"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/20 08:10 AM
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I'm not sure you understand the numbers you present or the context. This wasn't about all men to begin with, so the whole comparison is irrelevant, but also you're saying 1/6th of women and 1/7th of men lie downwards? That's a super small fraction of people to begin with, and the difference between the two sexes is quite small using your own numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/20 05:37 AM
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The MO of cheating women is to Lie and Deny their infidelities, and they’re usually hypersensitive to the possibility of their partners committing infidelity. They project their own duplicitous and deceitful behaviors onto their partners. Because they lie about their pasts, everyone lies about their pasts. “Because I cheat, he must be too. Therefore what I’m doing isn’t wrong.” Holy projection batman. https://www.forums.red/p/AskTRP/2975/how_to_respond_when_she_asks_how_many_girls_you_ve_slept_w…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/20 04:55 AM
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Spoken like someone who has no idea of what they're talking about. I don't really mind otherwise but in general anti-medicine movement has actually killed people, and keeps on doing so, so I feel obligated to make a bit of a deal out of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/20 12:10 PM
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So much so, they sought external help and admitted they're the ones that need to change? Which frames the entire woman gender as animal-level sluts controlled by simple primal urges, which you have to tame? TRP is an ego trip in that in strokes your ego in so many ways, "you're rejected because you're so far above everyole else", "forbidden knowledge", and simple superficial advice that literally only goes skin-deep(you know the whole looks are the only thing that matters stuff, as opposed to ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/20 12:02 PM
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My gf is still in frequent contact with her ex husband and less frequently in contact with her ex bf. The ex-bf was making me a bit uneasy. He broke her heart and the whole deal smelled toxic, and I'm glad as time has passed she has reduced the contact with him. I honestly don't see any problem with the ex husband contact tho. Seems like a nice fella. I know she's in contact with him pretty much daily. So basically, it depends. Also, just to be sure, the ex bf isn't off limits because I expect i…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/20 11:52 AM
1

A Creep Is Just An Alpha Male In A Beta Male's Body Nah. Being able to avoid rejection by looks and charm simply might make it harder to notice that the charming "alpha" is a creep. One of the main characteristics of a creep is someone that doesn't respect your wishes, tries to deceive you and overall obsesses over you in unhealthy ways. If you don't get rejected as often, these traits don't get to be on display as frequently, but they're still there, lurking underneath. If that exact same appro…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/20 10:36 AM
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Polyamory seems to me like it's like thousand times more prone to drama and stress, requires way more social skills and emotional intelligence to handle, and just overall multiplies all the problems of regular relationships. And then you enter brand new category of problems that come with polyamory, mostly related to the way it's a niche minority with their own culture. You have barrier of entry, learning to do the dance, learning the customs, negotiating those, handling the distress of sharing …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/20 09:06 PM
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My guess is that you are disputing the 80/20 rule in dating??? Not really. I picked your comment for response because I really dislike it when people try to slide interpretation into data. If you want data interpreted certain way, I think you should be comfortable saying that interpretation out loud, and actually showing your work as to why that interpretation makes sense. It's a specific type of mistake I hate, nothing to do with what it is used to argue for. I think if one were to formulate 20…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/20 06:22 PM
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The data won't actually give you the results you want, but to understand why, you gotta understand why size disparity would sabotage it. Say, if 90% of users is male, 10% female, you get 80% of men without anyone by necessity. But that's just a result of skewed demographics, and if you treat that hypothetical dating site as microcosm of the real world, you're gonna be bringing right from the start this skew into your estimate. Now, maybe if one was interested in data and drawing conclusions abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/20 03:17 PM
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There are a couple of factual errors here. a feminist criticising Not a feminist criticising a man for pointing out sexism I didn't criticize you for what you call pointing out sexism tho. I criticized you for failing reading comprehension(confusing absolute size vs growth trends), and trying to be "more oppressed" by having us declare "the real victim" to sexism. pointing out sexism You made vague claims that you have seen women say sexist things(no examples given). Also in the context, you mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/20 12:55 PM
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Please do point out the hypocrisy in my comments. Lets laugh at that hypocrisy together!!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/20 12:42 PM
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I do appreciate the fact that you decided to go down the "yeah I'm trying to win oppression olympics but so are <these other people> too!". Pointing out the stupidity of that thinking usually helps even 5-year olds to fix their mistakes, so surely now you're going to reflect upon this and work to fix whatever lead you down this path?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/20 12:41 PM
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Why, yes. Thank you for asking!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/20 12:38 PM
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You think the amount of men in the red pill, mgtow and black pill movement are decreasing? No. Going from 0.1% to 1% is still increase. I commented on the absolute size of these groups. I said nothing about decrease or increase. Men are the real victims of sexism in 2020. It's not a competition, insisting you are the winner of being oppressed is just sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/20 12:12 PM
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Other things to do beside having sex as entertainment options. Relationships are pretty big commitment andit takes longer than before to build up to the stability required for that. Casual sex takes certain kind of people to even enjoy, and people are slightly more risk-averse nowdays anyway. That's my hypothesis anyway. Absolutely nothing to do with this antisocial movement around and near trp(including things like black pill, mgtow, and such), which are vanishingly small minority of men who of…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/20 05:11 AM
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I don't see neither the contradiction nor the lack of nuance. In that aspect TRP is not different from any knowledge.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/20 02:08 PM
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Well the same goes for TRP. TRP can create benefit if used with care and a moral fiber. I find it curious how you immediately try to revert to completely black/white thinking constantly. Here, first you say since both things can possibly be used for bad, they're the exact same thing. Now, you go for the opposite, since both can be used for good, both are the exact same thing. I don't really see a way into trying to discuss any of the nuance, so I'm out.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/20 08:18 AM
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The ammount of damage that can be done with the knowledge inside those disciplines is horrific. This is absolutely true. And if it was only horrific acts like that you could learn from those disciplines, I'd be 100% in favor of banning them from being discussed. But unfortunately, this knowledge also has a positive side, it can be used to do remarkable amount of good. Things don't need to be black or white, they can be shades of grey, and with science, there has been a lot of thought put into ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/20 05:02 AM
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I mean, you bit the bullet so hard that I can't really say more than that I think we should agree to disagree. I do think it's unethical to publish torture guides or make things suggestive of using violence against white men or any other group.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/20 06:31 PM
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TRP basically says: If all you care about is results, then do X. Then it is on the individual man to decide if X is something he finds himself comfortable doing. So if I published a tutorial on how to psychologically torture your spouse/child/dependent without them having option to leave, ultimately driving them to suicide, with enough detail that you can follow through it and guarantees in place that you wouldn't get caught or punished for doing it, would you consider that to be amoral action, …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/20 06:16 PM
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Is this really fringe advice for men? Do "blue pill" men really not know this? I'd consider is actively terrible advice, capable of ruining otherwise great relationship. Like, how is anyone supposed to be comfortable with relationship with you if you have one feet plus four toes of the other foot out of the door already?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/20 05:28 AM
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That's also a good tip for a healthy relationship. Treat opposite sex as real people, and your partner as a particularly awesome human being, and you're off to a very good start.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/20 09:54 AM
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Peer review says that the study doesn't have any glaring problems that prevent them from being worthwhile to even discuss. As a shorthand, for scientific conversation, you need to engage with prior discussion(as to prevent people reinventing wheel and/or muddying history of the discussion and/or avoiding broken telephone effect.), you need to describe what you were planning on achieving before looking at data, what methods you are going to use on the data, how to collect it, etc, you need to the…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/20 10:18 PM
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Yes. Importantly however, without establishing causation, it doesn't mean they are likely to cheat on you if you marry them. It's the age-old "eating ice cream leads to drowning"
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/20 06:24 AM
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Sexual conservatives are forced to justify their preferences (where others are not made to) with statistics Not really. The usual dynamic is, conservatives on their own bring up statistics to argue for their preference, and then you notice all kinds of problems with this statistics argument that need fixing. It's self-inflicted damage, and my working theory is that it's because it's not due to any statistics as this very very small minority would have you believe, but I also don't think it's an …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/20 01:49 AM
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Can you name some textbooks on this matter on those topics that discuss some trp-ideas?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 01:47 PM
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Have you read it?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/20 07:33 PM
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No one. I just thought to raise awareness about dangerous behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/20 12:53 PM
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In war zones and such, yeah. But I'm assuming this whole gender role thing doesn't pop up that much there
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/20 07:27 AM
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I wouldn't be comfortable being in a relationship with a woman who wasn't attracted to me. The whole concept of dragging her ex's into the equation is alien to me. I care about me and her. How her relationships with others worked isn't going to really factor into our relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 10:23 PM
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Men, can you accept the idea that a partner had different sexual standards for other men in the past? Maybe she slept with other guys on the first date but made you wait. Honestly, I don't really care. I don't really get the point of comparing myself to her ex's. I'm not substitute for anyone else, I'm not trying to fit into some pre-determined mould, so why should this be relevant to me? It seems like this kinda thinking is designed to just make drama and problems out of thin air.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 08:47 PM
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25-30 age group men have more sex than women though, on average(several asterisks with this statement but I'm just gonna use "more than 1 sexual partner the past year" as proxy for sexual activity, it seems trying to be specific will just end up confusing people)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 06:09 PM
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Because of the seeming trend towards more truthful reporting, it's not really clear if there is any decline to be inferred from the data. But sure, 18-24y men have less sex than 18-24y women., that much seems true. Not insanely much, but still there's a noticeable difference where women seem to be sexually active without serious relationships mostly during that age period, while men are a lot more stable and keep having roughly similar amounts of sexual activity throughout their lives. That cont…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 06:04 PM
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In the graph it shows men have sex more than same age women of all ages, excluding 18-24 age group, where there is a larger disparity in favor of women. I'd say that more or less counts as the numbers being equal, depends on how much you want to draw attention to that 18-24 age group.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 05:50 PM
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Please refer to specific graphs, it's super annoying for me to just reply "uh, no it doesn't" after having to double check every graph and paragraph in the link you provided.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 05:46 PM
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You honestly think the percentage of men who had sex within the past year is the same as the percentage of women who had sex within the past year? That's what the data you linked shows, more or less. It's not really set to answer that specific question but that's a reasonably good summary of conclusions one can draw from the data you presented. Also, to your lying bit. Men would lie up, not down. So I am not sure where you are going with that. If men lie upwards, then the percentage of men havin…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 05:24 PM
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Your data and conclusions are so disjointed that I'd really appreciate it if you could spell it out what you thought you saw in that data. If you understand Finnish, the whole article basically points out that self-report surveys like this finally are starting to produce results where heterosexual men and women have roughly the same amount of sex, according to the answers. And for those reading the graphs, this seems to mostly come down to men reducing their reported numbers. Should be fairly ob…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 05:10 PM
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The examples of the "popular" activities you listed included one hoax that never happened, being employed in relatively fringe industry and being on instagram twerking, which is hard to estimate in numbers. Basically, even if you say "don't take this literally", if you don't make enough sense there's really no way to read your comments without concluding you are delusional or lying. Like, sure, you might have had a point before you started distorting reality in such insane ways, but when you wro…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/20 11:20 PM
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the bottom 80% of men won't be able to get a relationship or sex with a woman that doesn't have an only fans account or some other kind of whoredom This makes me think you have just absolutely zero care for being wrong. Like, even the most superficial reading of your comment should reveal that that sentence is utterly false, but it's said with utmost confidence. What gives? For what it's worth, there are about 200,000 creator accounts on Onlyfans. Even if we make the ridiculous assumption these …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/20 09:21 PM
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So what basic evolutionary truths you speak of?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/20 08:32 AM
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Being reprimanded in some way example getting banned from their favorite coffee shop , getting a disciplinary record on their resume , school card , being fired That's for sexual harrassment, which is way more than being creepy. You're not supposed to be harassing unwilling women at workplace, at coffee shops you frequent or anywhere really. This confusion seems to arise from the fact that you're imagining all conversations with women have ho be sexist, misogynists "i'd like to purchase piece of…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/20 08:19 AM
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What "basic evolutionary truths"? I'm gonna make a bet here and say these truths are not true and probably grossly misrepresent evolutionary biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/20 05:15 AM
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That's one possible social cue. Not being able to read it and then acting against it will be quite damaging. But I'm not sure if you're even serious about trying to argue that no ugly guys can't make moves without being creepy. It's just so absurd and obviously wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/20 05:09 AM
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That's the result of poor social skills, not looks. In particular TRP type people suffer from complete inability to read social cues
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/20 08:01 PM
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If people are able to do all this shit while being totally illegal, why the hell would they stop with legalizing? This is totally backwards with how legalization affects things. Selling spirits used to be a way to fund criminal enterprises, but then spirits got legalized again.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/20 04:58 PM
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That's total bs. Handsome guy can be creepy, and most ugly dudes can manage perfectly well not being creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/20 04:39 PM
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Mbti is based on some, trace amounts of science. Using it is not that great an idea because it has dubious scientific foundation. Astrology is complete nonsense, based on nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/20 07:10 AM
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My own understanding is that makeup is very good for making a good impression, and drawing attention to the woman. But after that task is done, after you are drawn to her and paying attention, there's really not much point to it from your perspective. It feels like a bit of a wall between you two and not much else.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/20 06:44 AM
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But I do not call just being myself being emotionally open. It is not something that I would use to describe myself nor is it terminology I normally use. Whenever I see that phrase, yes it reminds me of times when I have verbalised stuff that should not of been regarding some of my feelings (I am ex-forces, my mind has some dark places due to what I have seen and experienced) so I know to keep quiet. The basic idea is not to open up about everything you are feeling about. It's to tell the other …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 07:47 PM
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I don't know what's the point of this thread but I'll just hijack it to say "God, you are such a hottie." This feels really, really, really nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 09:28 AM
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Whatever you want to do. Which then brings us to, what do you want to do. This is more or less what many millenia long study of ethics and philosophy have been about, if you want to read what other people have figured out about it. But you kinda just have to make your best guess and run with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/20 04:29 PM
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That's why you want to be honest, be yourself, and find someone who likes that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/20 04:26 PM
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I care enough to listen and I do. However if I went into the same depth I would be dumped. Why have serious relationships with women who don't care about you? Like, no matter how you turn that scenario around it looks like you're gonna end up miserable, or making others miserable, or both. Like, without emotional support aspect, what exactly even is the point of romantic relationship to you? Without that isn't it about as rewarding to just bang prostitutes? I'm genuinely trying to understand but…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/20 03:09 PM
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I don't base my whole life on whether or not I can discuss my feelings and "insecurities". No one is doing it because it's fun I don't think. They do it because they're taking each other seriously as human beings that you care enough about that you want to communicate with them. It's hard to read your comment as anything but some borderline sociopathic "I don't think other people are worth anything, especially not women". It sounds like you treat your romantic partners as dogs, which is all kind…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/20 01:40 PM
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Nope I would rather have a relationship and work stuff out myself than get dumped or be viewed as weak. As I do not believe it is possible and have had bad experiences due to this, I cannot say I even want this, as life experiences have taught me this is a bad view to have. Water is shaped by the container that holds it. Serious question, if you are going to be closed in like that, what exactly are you getting out of relationship that visiting prostitutes regularly wouldn't give you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/20 11:33 AM
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That's the best I can tell the relationship I'm in atm. I don't really want other type of relationship. Partially I'm on this subreddit to understand why people choose something else. I still haven't really had any answers. It seems to me that TRP types really want Something Else, but it's hard to pin down.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/20 11:28 AM
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It's not about attraction to the physical, it's the autism. There is virtually no physical trait bad enough to make your odds of finding a partner particularly bad. Mental health issues however work wonders for that, and given the twisted sense of reality you're demonstrating, it seems clear you're suffering from a coctail of them. Fix your head before trying again.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/20 06:54 AM
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If you increase immigrant population too much you risk Trump-like things happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/20 06:35 AM
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Nothing much. The biggest problem is a related drop in birth rates, which can make the population structure a bit weird. Marriages themselves don't really matter in the grand scheme of things afaik. Also I'm not sure if the number of ltr's is going down or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/20 01:07 AM
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This sounds like a mental breakdown in a text form. I'd kinda want to argue with this but to be honest I just don't see OP being in a state of mind where logic and arguments can get to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/20 12:59 AM
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I don't really socialize with people I don't trust so yeah, I'd trust their word. Otherwise we wouldn't be talking.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/20 08:12 PM
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How many asexual young men do you know? What a joke. I'm not talking about asexual. I'm talking about obsessing over sex. Many men I know don't really value it that highly. Like, if you're not virgin, most men I know don't really pay much attention to it, they got other stuff going on in their life.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/20 02:58 PM
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31% of men are sexless. 31% of men haven't had sex in the past year. If you're not in a serious relationship and not huge fan of casual sex, you'd end up in this category too. Given that people enter serious relationships later in life than previously, and you're giving numbers for barely-adult demographics, it seems to be pretty much expected. But yeah, the main problem with your comment is that you're blatantly lying about what the stat you gave is actually telling. Not having sex in one year …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/20 02:39 PM
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So when you dismiss the entire field of science because their results don't agree with your biases, you're not noticing any sort of... Absurdity in your claim? It always baffles me when conspiracy theorists manage to act like significant chunk of world population is in on some insane plot to target the remaining ignorant few. It's especially absurd when same people, like TRP folk, cherrypick some random few studies from that field based solely on results that they give, so at the same time the e…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/20 09:48 AM
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Being materialistic, losing attraction to you for showing vulnerability or distress, propensity for playing the hurt victim in any conflict, being passive aggressive for long periods when denied something they want, constantly trying to police your wardrobe and social life, etc... I would really consider dating less crazy women. It sounds like it would be super hard to have any kind of fulfilling relationship with someone like that. Even if you're into it purely for sex I'd rather just go to pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 07:30 PM
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One can't argue they "had no choice" if they are the ones making it, there is no way to shield their actions mentally. The people doing the gassing the jews and shooting them weren't hiding behind that usually. They'd sleep soundly after planning better ways to kill innocents, making calls to find the subhumans etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/20 04:39 PM
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Many nazi officers directly handling killing the jews were not psychopaths. Humans are very malleable, it's very possible for a normal, healthy people to do absolutely horrible things if they have the right environment around them. So while it's possible the one firing 50k is psychopath, the harsh truth might be, that person might be entirely normal average joe
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/20 04:29 PM
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It's a hard topic to study because only the worst performing psychopats end up being caught. High-functioning ones are really difficult to find. But yeah, prisons are full of psychopaths. Many of those that do the worst out of all humans are psychopaths. But it's hard to say if psychopathy inevitably leads to bad outcomes since only bad outcomes make that disorder apparent. It's believed many stressful high salary jobs are full of psychopaths as well, who manage to mask their symptoms way better…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/20 04:19 PM
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You should share this evidence with TRP. They have a long list of evidence about correlation between the two but not a single line about even attempting to establish causative link between the two. Heck, even trp people usually end up admitting they don't think there's any causal relationship. Also, when you're saying you know the truth that scientific community is too biased to see, you might as well yield that you're wrong. I do enjoy taking absurd premises seriously, but such obviously ridicu…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/20 08:09 AM
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If there was a study that came out and said that the number of times a guy has jerked off has a causal relationship with his rate of divorce Notably, trp has failed to show causal relationship between n-count and divorce or anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/20 05:15 AM
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This is the perfect example of why trp is such a toxic mindset. Irrational distrust? Solve it by actively lying to her to manipulate her.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/20 07:56 PM
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If you think that, leave the relationship. That level of distrust is not gonna get any better.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/20 07:54 PM
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I'm just gonna say that there's no way you are not very, very badly misunderstanding something, but I just want you to clarify what is this risk you talk about, and how do you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 11:46 PM
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I'd probably tell myself something along the lines of "be more considerate and enjoy your opportunities to socialize with others. Also, sex and relationships come when you're feeling ready, don't stress about them"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 11:41 PM
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This sounds like it came from some 1800's book. Is this a copypasta? I'm annoyed because there are some red flags in that list but nothing that couldn't be thought of as a funny quirk by some stretch of imagination.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 11:36 PM
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Holy... There's so much wrong in this post that it's honestly a work of art. I'll do my best to debunk main errors but I fear I have to be brief in some sections simply due to the magnitude of all the things wrong. I understand that BP women are left-wing since they don't believe much in evolutionary psychology Not believing in evolutionary psychology doesn't make one left-wing, and one would assume about the same amount of people believe in that branch of science regardless of political leaning…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 11:31 PM
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Which is why RP philosophy suggests that men test its precepts on their own. Which only works if you have working model. Which, if your reluctance to make any sort of predictions is to be used as any sorta indication, doesn't exist. I think I mentioned it in other comment but lack of model and having gurus instead is basically the defining feature of pseudoscience that separates it from actual science. I have made hundreds of my own based on the RP model and found it to be very accurate at expla…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 04:34 PM
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If men want to get laid (and they do) we have to find models that are accurate enough to work. Sure. But what you believe to be the model of reality you are using, and what is the model of reality you're using, are two very separate things. Specifically when talking about models we refer to the ones we can articulate, thus usually the ones that we believe we are using, since in some ways those "actual" models are hidden from us. Doing science can be seen as consisting mainly of trying to bridge …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 03:59 PM
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Thus, we can all use whatever model we like to predict women’s sexual choice behaviors and then observe which models have the closest fit to women’s actual behaviors in our own lives. And you claimed you have model that can be used to make predictions. It’s easily testable by men It's not testable even in principle if you don't have a model which you are to be testing. I do appreciate the way your idea resembles "intuitive science" model, with people learning about the world through intuitive re…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 03:47 PM
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I have known women who I suspected being like what you describe. I didn't know them for long. I don't like hanging out with awful people. You also can try to not date them. If you think awalt, why are you even interested in a relationship with a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 01:55 PM
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they're most definitely not accepted either. I'd recommend not associating with people like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 01:53 PM
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The men in question who believe these red pill ideas about women could also just be plain wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 01:50 PM
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So asking for detailed peer review methods is pointless because manosphere don't have the large funding like mainstream feminist movement get to actually write an objective paper on it. Science doesn't come after figuring out what is correct, it is a method of establishing what to believe is correct. I'm also not specifically asking for any peer-reviewed publication. I'm asking for someone that has made a blog post, reddit post, or even a reddit comment where they explain in at least some detail…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 11:40 AM
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Using what method was this prediction made? It's an anecdote unless you provide explanation of methodology used to arrive at a prediction.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 10:51 AM
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An accurate model for predicting women’s sexual and relationship choice patterns. What are these predictions? That women in ltr are with with people that seek ltr's over casual sex, and women having casual sex do so with people really into casual sex? Anything else you are able to predict?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 09:14 AM
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LTR using TRP methods sounds like literal hell tho. The sexist undercurrent of the whole thing clashes with reality the hardest in ltr's.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 07:33 AM
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I agree to some extent with “be yourself”, but seriously though, WHAT IF YOU SUCK? Be the best version of yourself. Simple really. TRP has kinda fragments of that figured out, but they try to put it all this into a very sexist nonsensical framework where the ultimate purpose of any man is to bang as many women as possible, and you have these absolutely insane ideas about women derived from how PUAs sometimes can get numbers from women on streets.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 12:12 AM
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You probably should break up. Whatever relationship you have sounds like a hell on at least one of you, probably both of you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 11:28 AM
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70 years or thereabouts is my bet.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 06:07 PM
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Don't worry about romantic relationships, be the best you that you can be. I'd elaborate but since this 25y janitor is a busy man, I guess there's no point.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 10:12 AM
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If you are a believer in "the tragedy of the n-count", that a woman's "shippability" decreases with n-count, how can you let yourself increase her's? On one hand, I'm impressed by people taking absurd premises and deriving correctly their logical conclusions. On the other hand, I'm really bothered by someone genuinely doing so about n-count. I know already that this will be the reddit comment that I'll return to years later and be like, what's the story behind it. Don't know how to feel about it…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 02:40 AM
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I'm kinda torn about which particular wrong in your post I should correct. I guess I start with the low-hanging fruit of you treating affection and attraction as mechanical reward you should be obliged to. Your post betrays this entitlement in a couple of places, like simp putting in more effort. Knowing the girl should come with affection popped in at two places in your post. That's a particularly nasty syndrome also know as being a Nice Guy. Then there's this curious case of sexism, as the mal…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 05:16 PM
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Men aren't saying no to marriage/commitment out of spite. They've been burned and are doing what makes sense. Women are offering men a bad deal and then shaming them for not accepting it. For what it's worth, I'm quite glad trp people are not looking to marry. It does sound like it would be extremely abusive relationship. men realising women's unrestrained hypergamy means they can expect a call when they're 30 but not before because she's too busy having fun with men who will never commit? Even …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 02:36 AM
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It's just that it doesnt happen anymore that men settle for having "his turn" with as many young women as possible. I mean this sentence is so obviously, blatantly false that I can't really believe you wrote it and thought it was true. So the question I'm having is, what on Earth did you mean to say with that nonsense? I'm just genuinely baffled. I'm not even really wanting to argue here, just, please do share what series of events lead to that particular sentence being written.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/20 12:59 PM
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Ironically this subreddit has made me warm up towards feminism a lot. I didn't understand the need for it before seeing how awful trp folk are, and how sheltered they manage to be in their extremely misogynistic views.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/20 04:08 AM
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For example, if a person goes to a therapist and says that their spouse wants a fuck buddy, should their therapist advise them saying that "It's just sex. It's love that really matters." In principle I'd be fine with this. In practice, I can foresee many secondary problems arising, like, that's a pretty big social commitment they're making, so I'd fear that it would create many possible conflicts as their interests would clash with mine. Like, while I don't really see myself sharing the disgust …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/20 09:47 PM
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My pet theory is that US is massively fucked. I don't live there so it's hard to say, but I don't think it's a coincidence redpill/incel type ideas resonate mostly with the American crowd. I know your description of Eastern Bloc comes closer to nordics than any redpill type theory
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/20 09:48 AM
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Lol you act like you can rewrite your biological programming however you want it. Well, not however I like. But whatever programming evolution has managed to bestow onto me, I don't think it has any applicability on some laser-focused issue like having kids. The rational part of your brain cannot override your animalistic drives. I could write an essay about misconceptions here, but to keep it short, I would just try to point out how very likely "animalistic drives" are actually just lazy thinki…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 12:16 PM
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That's kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy, if you sincerely believe that you're not better than some animal, you're gonna act like it. And even though it's ultimately your own business how much self-worth you have, I feel like I should mention that not all people share your standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 12:08 PM
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Porn won't be gone without replacing existing humans with something very different, robots maybe. So the answer depends on what kinda robots you have planned.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 11:10 AM
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I think humans are more than just animals. More than something that can just try to reproduce desperately.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 01:05 AM
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You hopefully see yourself as a bit more than an animal though.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 12:25 AM
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You're simply not understanding the point, as evidenced by bringing in perfect information.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/20 05:39 PM
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I agree on a theoretical level that if you had perfect information, Perfect informatron doesn't really matter here. Causation doesn't care about perfect or imperfect information, and neither do I.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/20 07:21 AM
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I'm kinda torn about the specific way to implement intervention, but my working idea was that you have two women, both of whom you'd find suitable excluding n-count. One has high n-count, other low, and you marry one of them. It's not exactly realistic, the more realistic intervention, how you react to n-count in seeking dates, has many complications to it. I'd like to talk about that scenario but I feel the simpler one has to be discussed first.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/20 12:20 AM
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But the "intervention" isn't reliable, though. Your knowledge is incomplete. That's kinda the whole point. The data here fails to predict what your intervention causes. It's not like the ice cream example, where you can say "I know the actual explanatory variable is hot weather, so the fact that you've eating ice cream is irrelevant for increased drowning right now, because it's winter, it's freezing, and all the pools and beaches are closed. I never claimed it's necessarily is like this with n-…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 09:40 PM
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Not really. Flirting is a mutual game.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 09:24 PM
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In your view, while the relationship might hold generally, knowing that any given woman is promiscuous tells you roughly nothing about her likelihood to cheat, correct? I don't think it's unfair but I'd add some clarification. Womans likelihood to cheat with whoever she might end up with is told to you by the correlation quite reliably. Her likelihood to cheat if you date her makes this relationship entirely irrelevant if you use n-count to filter matches one way or another. You're now assessing…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 05:36 PM
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You're trying to find alternate ways in the analogy to avoid drowning, beside not eating ice cream. That is both pointless as it has no significance to the discussion, as the corresponding thing in dating situation would be some way to otherwise guarantee fidelity. It also makes me think you're missing one or more parts of the analogy. But given that you fail to address any points raised and just insist that because you came up with another way to avoid drowning beside not eating ice cream, you …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 04:10 PM
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I really feel like you're not understanding that ice cream eating won't increase your odds of drowning.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 03:26 PM
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And i explained how your analogy requires two separate choices while choosing to marry a slut requires one. You get to choose if you eat ice cream or not. That's the only choice you're given. The question is, how do you use it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 02:55 PM
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Sluts are more likely to cheat and to divorce. True. Therefore, you shouldn't marry them. That's it. Does not follow. I explained this in more detail earlier. In the message you responded to.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 02:36 PM
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This is kinda annoying since the best I can tell, you got really confused and I don't have one sentence snappy way to bring you back. But the long way of it is that this thread seemed to be predicated on figuring out how to minimize risk of getting cheated on/divorced after marrying. You seem to imply getting cheated on by a chaste woman is better than being cheated on by a slut, in which case, all OPs data is irrelevant. So if you care about divorce/infidelity from anyone you marry, not just sl…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 10:40 AM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madonna%E2%80%93whore_complex
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 10:24 AM
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You can't see inside a person's mind and see what's causing them to be slutty and choose to avoid that trait instead of their sluttiness. So infidelity isn't the problem? Is that a Freudian slip? You also can't get divorced from a slut without first marrying a slut. You can ge divorced. I thought you were interested in the probability of divorce in general?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 07:33 AM
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I'm not sure you understand that this thread got started from this: Cause and effect don't matter. Only the correlation does. And has been going on because the guy has doupled and tripled down on that position.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 07:25 AM
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You're showing correlation, not causation. In a response to my message saying that you claim causation but only offer correlation. In a message thread about how causation needs to be showed. Like, I'm just not sure what you expect me to say here that's not already immediately clear from reading any of the thread you responded to.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 12:40 AM
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It means the probability you used is no longer applicable to you. That's kinda the definition of intervention. In this case, your dating strategy in response to n-count is the intervention proposed. Effects of intervention require causal model to be calculated, since you're having arbitrary choice in this matter. The correlation can only tell you what would be the probabilities in absence of your intervention. Without it, you're just stuck on refusing to eat ice cream out of fear of drowning. Yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 12:03 AM
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The causation doesn't matter for making the accurate prediction. Only if you're passive observer. If you have option to date someone with high n-count or not, that correlation tells you ~nothing without causal model, as you're now making decisions and aren't just passive observer
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 11:49 PM
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That's your claim yes, when one tries to make some sense of it. The problem is, your data doesn't really support it. But as indicated by virtually anyone participating in these threads after minimal questioning, this whole infidelity thing is totally irrelevant to why they don't want high n count partner. So before you spend time on trying to justify your pre-determined conclusion, you should consider just stopping and admitting that it's just "eww, slut" reaction that you're trying to rationali…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 11:41 PM
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But you're predicting intervention. If you marry a high n woman, or if you eat ice cream, does that CAUSE something. I'm pretty jaded about explaining these types of things because 9 out of 10 times it's just that people on the internet pretend to be idiots to win arguments, so if this is something you actually want to understand, please indicate it somehow. I've tried several times on this very same subreddit correcting this very same misunderstanding and I don't think a single person has learn…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 11:35 PM
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In the same way, a slut is more likely to be a bad choice for a LTR not because she's had X number of cocks inside her, but because a slut is a slut due to other factors that also make her bad for a LTR. The correlation is all you need to make accurate predictions. Umm, I just gave you an example where correlation is not all you need. You are adding extra causative model on top of this correlation and claiming "correlation is all you need", but that's just so blatantly wrong that I'm honestly un…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 10:27 PM
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Because people traditionally eat ice cream when it's hot outside. They also tend to go to swimming when it's hot outside, and people that swim are more likely to drown than those that are not entering any bodies of water. Hot weather is the confounding factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 10:21 PM
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Of course it matters. Explaining this sorta thing over and over again is so frustrating, but let's use the classic example of ice cream consumption and drowning deaths. They are highly correlated. If you however refuse to consume ice cream because you're afraid of drowning, people rightly would call you stupid. And that's precisely because there is no causal connection from ice cream to drowning.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 09:23 PM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 07:57 PM
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Well they are not by default murderers, rapists or such so sure, technically you can get lower. But yeah, they are not only flipping out for being rejected, you're not a Nice Guy if you don't betray long time of belittling, entitlement, emotional manipulation and lying while flipping out. That's why they're so popular for story targets, there's so much terrible qualities condensed into that one moment long interaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 06:14 PM
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The whole joke of Nice Guys is that they say they're nice guys, mere seconds before proving without a shadow of a doubt that they're few of the worst examples of humanity out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 04:50 PM
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This sounds similarly wrong as OP. It's not really a privilege either in the abstract. You get human companionship from an individual, not from the society. Each individual grants their companionship however they want. It's super hard to manipulate that in any systematic way from society POV, even though "traditionalists" love to try it. Meaning, it's not really even a privilege. It's just not a thing that from society POV can be manipulated at all, as a right or as a privilege. The best analogy…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 03:25 PM
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You're skipping over a lot of quite fundamental building blocks to healthy relationship with that generalization(and it is a generalization, nawalt), and giving the impression this "be dominated" is some primary desire, and at odds with treating women with respect you'd give to other human beings. The sum of those is that you seem to imply a model of woman mind that's about as complex as a worm or some critter like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 01:24 PM
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You're treating women as if they had roughly the same mental capacity as a worm. As a baseline, that just doesn't bode well for you. Women first of all are people that want respect that comes with it. You know, similar to humans. Domination thing is a common theme in desires for people but it comes so far down the ladder after you've established mutual respect, trust, lust and all that. This would not surprise you if you dropped the entirely absurd pretense that you think women are devoid of any…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 12:42 PM
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I don’t think some men here understand this. That's a very polite way of putting it, but yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 12:36 PM
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Just because you see women in porn doesn't mean most or even a significant portion of women are in that field.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 09:27 AM
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Even literal pornstars can get married "even"?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 09:10 AM
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Never taken a philosophy class, my focus is Econ/psych and math. Makes ya wonder how I knew. That doesn’t dispute my claim that every decision people make has value derived from it. It’s a matter of figuring out their valuation system (aka motive as he corrected me). People have motives yeah. The problem is you're doing the opposite of trying to figure out motives, you're trying to just treat all motives as the same blob of homogenous "selfish". Which then, intentionally or unintentionally, woul…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 08:05 AM
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This is like the worst strawman "I just came back from second lecture of Philosophy 101" student acting all high and mighty. You're basically abusing the word "selfish" by including absolutely everything under it. Using your definition of the word, everything you could possibly ever do is selfish. So information content of the concept as you use it is 0. But somehow, people manage to actually convey information with such a word. Your homework for the next lecture is to figure out how does this c…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 07:54 AM
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Totally. I think not getting that is the single unifying thing about all incels, redpillers and such, that individuals are not all the same as group average
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 09:02 PM
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Yeah, it's super hard since I really don't know how these numbers are assigned.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 08:39 PM
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So you have some sort of extremely handsome face that is giving you an extreme advantage over the typical short man. Likeable personality works wonders, too. Also, as with all dating, knowing how to filter people that aren't promising is also super important.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 08:35 PM
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If a person hates dogs because he was bitten many times in the past, you are not going to tell him to 'fix himself' and get counseling sessions with a therapist either. If he plans on getting a dog, then the advice is either, don't, or fix your issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 08:32 PM
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No, just, no. It sounds like you describe NiceGuys. I'd rather get beat once a week than be in relationship with someone like that. Like, just, flat out, run from bushes and attack me, I won't fight back if alternative is spending time with a NiceGuy
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 07:34 AM
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I do think there is a lot of wrong in using language of economics the way trp does. I don't think you managed to make a coherent point against their use of it tho. So I'm really unsure what tone to take here.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 06:46 AM
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GOP/Dems as a whole have moved so right that dems on average count as right wing party. There are some offshoots that try to push dems towards less right wing direction but they are still very much fringe. And gop has become essentially a parody of all the worst most extreme right wing memes. I'm not aware of any other country where the whole political field would have moved so rapidly so much to the right. Republicans just 30y ago would be seen as leftist democrats today.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 12:09 AM
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The correlation is only a smoke screen, rather it implies a value judgement I mean, I thought I would have to get argue for this point, but I guess its nice to be saved for some effort. Anyway, with that admitted, the whole dishonesty with these types of threads is laid bare
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/20 11:14 PM
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Dodging the question are we? I am kinda disappointed. I was genuinely looking forward to your answer. Also, why shift in gears to argumentum ad populum? And the appeal isn't even about men believing this thing, just some other preference. And it's not even a real poll, you're just postulating a poll and concluding things from what you think will be the results. That went downhill so quickly.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/20 10:17 PM
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I have friend who has had close to 100 sexual partners. How likely you think it is she cheats on her partner/has cheated on her partner in the past? How confident are you in your prediction? Either you're really confidently wrong, or you're gonna reveal that you don't think the number of partners is that good a predictor. I genuinely am interested in hearing which one it's gonna be.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/20 10:10 PM
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The type of broken thinking is the same. Confusing weak statistical correlation with powerful predictor, ignoring any confounding factors or other predictors. It's kinda bad to use loaded example like racism but that is by far the best known example of that sorta thinking error
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/20 10:01 PM
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USA has moved massively to the right tho. I'd agree that European countries have moved to left for the most part. It's fun to follow US politics from European POV, moderate right politicians here would be considered to be left of Lenin and Marx. I don't know of any particular trend for developing nations. They seem to be all over the place.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/20 09:55 PM
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I find it extremely sad the way this subreddit seems to accept as a gospel this inherently "racist" belief. I'm not really that into even trying to dismantle the whole thing, as the entire foundation for OPs thinking is so broken, but I'll instead try to shine light into why this reasoning is so broken. The way racism works, and overall similar types of broken thinking, is that you mistake general trends for reliable predictors of individual actions, forgetting that individual actions have way h…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/20 09:43 PM
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Most people will be married. I don't expect any particular change in divorce rates or the amount of cheating. Polyamory is not really popular among vast majority of people. It however probably will slightly increase its popularity as the minority who find it attractive will become better organized and the overall stigma of "alternate lifestyle" reduces, lowering the barrier to entry to those that are into the idea but thought it was too big of a hassle. MGTOW is a very niche movement overall. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/20 04:34 PM
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If this is a competition of filling your post with most red flags possible, you are winning. Other than that, everyone lost for this post existing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/20 03:42 PM
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6 and 7 I'd want to hear details. Maybe with 4 too. Others it's leave regardless. And one of the main details is if they came clean on their own. If yes, discussion can happen. If I found it out on my own, trust is gone.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/20 02:27 PM
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Nope. Trust is everything to me
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/20 10:38 AM
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How do you explain the fact that... [baseless conjecture follows] Your conjecture is false is all I can really say. The only bit that one could maybe have an argument about is connection between crippling debt and welfare state, but I'd expect you should provide some sort of an argument about it, it's kinda unfair if I have to argue for both sides and then you could just claim I didn't put forth your best argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/20 09:25 AM
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Obama was elected president of USA, financial crisis of 2008 left lasting legacy, iPhone was released... If I had to really try to pin it down to a single factor, I think the financial crisis of 2008 would be the best bet I can make. But that's kinda missing the point, which is, you're arbitrarily choosing to look just some specific data points that support your foregone conclusion, and ignoring everything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 09:35 PM
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I think it's more common to have man communicate badly in a cis hetero relationship. It then leads to problems that can't be talked about which, even if initially minor, keep on being problems. And those problems build up until it tuins into resentment and worse problems. Another thing is that men tend to hold quite a lot power in relationships, so them being good at communicating seems more crucial. Just the very primitive fact that men can overpower most women means that their ability to to co…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 07:57 PM
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Take 1998-2018 and it's 1.5x increase instead. You're very transparently abusing statistics and at that level of intellectual dishonesty, there's just no way to have any sort of discussion with you. So I wish you'd stop that. The specific error here is trying to fish from highly chaotic data some coincidences that can be then abused to prove a point, rather than even pretend to look at the data as a whole. You can do that with weather patterns, tea leaves, tarot cards, and any suitably high-vari…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 04:05 PM
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Even when comparing to the lowest number for "no sex in past year" stat over the past 30 years, and the highest number, there has not been 3x increase.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 03:08 PM
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Shift focus on relationships if you fancy that. You know, when you have your shit together and feel comfortable including someone else in your life. Or continue enjoying your life without serious relationships. I think it's hard to give one size fits all type solution beyond the "build a solid foundation for the rest of your life when you're still young"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 01:55 PM
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Pretty much the script you just listed. Even by your own logic, using smv which I find a terribly inaccurate concept, spending the 20's focusing on school, work and social life outside relationships would be the optimal way to spend "low smv years"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 01:38 PM
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Where are these statistics from?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 12:50 PM
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Having standards and self-esteem are not crimes
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 10:37 AM
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Not OP, but I find over 90% of people to be quite boring. But the gender ratio of this <10% is what's interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 07:15 AM
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People are fundamentally boring. I have now spent a day thinking if I agree with this or women are boring message. I haven't come to a conclusion yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 07:13 AM
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I'm not sure about reasons for this tradition so I'm inclined to follow it. Never been married myself. The closest to pondering this question I got was when someone close to me was getting married and did not reveal beforehand what she would do with the name. She ended up taking his name. There was also the possibility of them doing the reverse. 30's, Finland
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 05:07 AM
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That's not... that's not what happened at all
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 04:55 AM
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Because a large age gap usually indicates an unhealthy controlling or sometimes abusive relationship Change this to "sometimes" and I'd agree with you. Usually bit seems waaaay over the top.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 11:53 PM
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Easily the major driver of declining birth rates in the West is cheap and easy contraception, by an overwhelming margin So you're opposed to have parents have any control over when kids pop into this world or what? That seems to go against the "kids first" idea you had before, since not having contraceptives would kinda by default increase the number of kids born to parents unable or unwilling to take care of them. In a way contraceptives and your marriage reform idea solve a similar problem, ki…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 11:42 PM
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Basically all first world countries are struggling with birth rate that's less than what's required to keep population stable. Massive social engineering significantly reducing birth rates from already bad situation would within a couple of generations turn the situation very, very bad. So even granting that this kind of social engineering was possible, it's not at all clear it's desireable.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 11:26 PM
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Therefore, she’d belong with an average guy. Umm, wut? I sincerely hope no women end up near people who think like that. That seems incredibly toxic in so many ways. Honestly I'm somewhat impressed by just the sheer density of red flags packed into one such sentence. To give quick rundown of some of the red flags(not exhaustive list): social market value type thinking that entirely ignores things like chemistry, mutual interests and all those pesky things that make human interaction mean anythin…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 11:21 PM
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You haven't explained how marrying less helps kids. Unless we also take it that kids outside of marriage don't exist. Then we instead shift the problem to "no kids anymore" which is suuuper troublesome for a nation.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 11:14 PM
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I'm about this to attach a cost to social externalities caused by playing around with marriage instead of taking it seriously. The less marriage is de facto standard for long term couples to be in, the less taking it super seriously matters on society. You didn't really list any externalities caused by some two people getting divorced that would be helped by them not getting married.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 09:55 PM
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I came here to disagree. I can't really. I don't necessarily agree, but yeah, I can't say anything beside the fact that I've had similar thoughts about averages and I haven't been able to dismiss them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 09:49 PM
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So basically you'd want people to marry less? Or be stuck in miserable marriages? I'm totally on board with marrying less part of the idea. I dislike the way religion has weaseled its way into this whole bonding thing people got going on. If there was similar system granting same legal perks as marriage but without the religious overtones, including the "till the death do us apart" bit, I'd never even consider marriage and it'd be great. But nowdays secular people kinda are pushed into this date…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 08:38 PM
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You're not describing behavior of 3.5 billion women. I'd be surprised if your anecdotal evidence even encompasses double digit amounts of women. Your failure to comprehend that seeing one woman do something doesn't mean awalt seems to be a symptom of some underlying sexism. You should get that checked.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 07:32 PM
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I mean, the first sign of your mistake is that you seem to consider women a homogenous mass with each of them interchangeable with one another. You're simply doing terrible job at filtering out people you don't want to spend time with. That's your personal failure.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 05:27 PM
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Online dates? Nah. Never. If you know the date from beforehand and are just asking her out I can see that making sense, "hey, come with me, I'll pay your part too". If you happen to be in better financial position and don't want money to stand in the way of her and you spending time together, I can see it not being weird. But online dates? You'd basically be presuming the woman is for whatever reason unable to pay her part which doesn't make any sense given that you're both on the online dating …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 01:07 PM
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To me it seems like having been married before is you-problem. It's only as big of a problem as you want to make out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 10:45 AM
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Why do you think women always give BS dating advice to men, even men they aren’t attracted to. It’s a shit test. So you giving this info here is a shit test you're doing subconsciously?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 09:59 AM
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Dating and relationships are an energy sink. But you are supposed to something back from the energy you pour into those, something more than just sex and intimacy. I don't think you've found that something yet that you want to get from relationships so you're gonna be just feeling like women end up draining you. There are many relationship models I'd assume, but the one I've settled on is a two-person team supporting each other to do things they need to or want to do. You get someone that has go…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 12:24 AM
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White knight and simp are really similar concepts though, simp is just more inclusive. But I'd say every white knight is kinda by definition a simp. Other listed words are not really related.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 08:26 PM
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However, they understand that this is not an option. Why not? This sounds like martyr fetishising. Life beat the hope out of me and now I have absolutely no choice!! Except, you know, the choice would be right there. Also I'm a little bit put off by the "being a father" obsession. Surely you got something else in life too?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 05:52 AM
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Red pillers most certainly do not have that problem. They seem to have huge problems with empathy, be quite willing to reduce other people to simple automatons in their minds without any human value, and really don't ever seem to be putting anyone but themselves first in any of the advice they give about relationships. It sounds like you're doing some NiceGuys parody skit here.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/20 10:52 PM
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One of the newest threads here is about if man should be judged if his wife isn't beautiful enough, reducing woman to just her looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/20 07:10 PM
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Misandry rarely seems tolerated in my experience on Reddit. I actually have spent some time trying to find the most misandristic content on the Internet and it's really hard to find anything noteworthy that isn't bashed absolutely everywhere. This is unlike misogyny that seems to just go kinda unnoticed and unappreciated in many places, people just casually harass women or otherwise attack them for their gender without much thought going into it anywhere. And some people actively revel in misogy…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/20 09:36 AM
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Usually defending rtp type positions has to come with more disclaimers than I care to type. This was a rare treat in that no disclaimers were needed
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/20 06:51 PM
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Do you not consider survival a biological goal? No. Biology has no goals. Further, biology does not think. The process of anthropomorphising inanimate things begins by assuming those inanimate things have plans, thoughts or goals. One might say that some chair hunts your feet if you stub your toe onto it one time too many. But the chair doesn't actually think, or have plans. Humans however are so well adapted to treating things as having plans and thinking that we assign those attributes to pret…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 08:23 PM
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You're anthropomorphising biology and attributing it goals. At that point it stops being science and becoming worship of this biology-deity. Biology doesn't have goals.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 07:51 PM
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how can you see other goals? I'm not saying there are more divine goals set to us by unfathomable things. I'm saying you're thinking of reproducing as a divine goal set to us by unfathomable things, and that's wrong. You're free to set reproduction as a personal goal for yourself, but it's not any less debatable than "collect the most stamps" or "visit each country" as a life goal. There are no goals beside ones you set for yourself. You don't need evolution or anything else to set some grand pl…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 06:56 PM
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You're anthropomorphising evolution, thinking of it having goals, and then you do a separate fallacy in thinking this goal is objectively good or something. It's kind of a nitpick since people usually are able to decode errors stemming from anthropomorphising and people are usually good at understanding when some statement has hidden context or disclaimers, like, "taking evolution as our guide to life", but the way you put it did mask those things so badly I figured misunderstandings are likely.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 06:41 PM
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The only clear goal in a human's life is to reproduce. Umm, that's not really any less debatable than anything else. It's a relatively harmless goal to have though, so in a world where so many things cause death and suffering, I don't mind a little exaggeration about how nice it is to be a parent, but the way you phrased it was just uncomfortable.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 05:57 PM
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"Do people die if black people are forced at gunpoint to work on cotton fields? Not at all" I don't usually care to defend redpillers and such but boy is that an edgy take OP has there.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 05:51 PM
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do your own thing in a relationship funnily enough Can't really just take off and leave to another city for example. You can try to work around things for sure. If youd been fucking her since she was 18 i guarantee the sex would be way better at this point but you would clearly have major slut-on-the-brain issues I'm fairly sure that wouldn't be a problem. But all in all, I'm fascinated by this self-portrait you're creating with me as canvas. If we were together from that point to now? For sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 02:05 PM
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Man communicates badly on purpose, is surprised to find others have trouble understanding him. More news at 11.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 01:46 PM
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Sweet projection Batman. I kinda maliciously have let you project whatever you want onto me without really putting my heart into correcting you, but boy I didn't expect such escalation. But, in the spirit of kinda half-heartedly correcting you, I've got no doubt in my mind this is the woman I want to be with. The preparedness, surprising as it may be, doesn't actually have anything to do with tits and pussies.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 01:42 PM
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I'm trying to make sense of what you're actually claiming, and the only guide into it are the words you use. That incidentally is also part of the reason why I repeatedly have asked you to stop being vague on purpose.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 01:37 PM
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I mean, I would've tried. But it would've ended miserably. I think maybe starting at mid-20's there could've been a chance but I'm still stressing out at times whether I came underprepared to this whole serious relationship thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 01:32 PM
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None of them individually may be 100% effective, but I can assure you, multiple forms of protection are. That's just misunderstanding statistics. Adding multiple measures together even in the best case scenario would still get you total chance that's below 100%. It's relatively rare, sure. But still you're simply comparing different tolerances for unwanted pregnancy. Maybe you want to be 99.9999% sure that individual time of having sex won't lead to pregnancy, maybe someone else wants extra 9 or…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 01:27 PM
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All we were talking about was birth control. After all, it’s hard to get pregnant when you don’t do it. Wouldn’t you agree? So you say you have failed as a parent if your children end up having sex without it being just a method to get children, or raped. I'm genuinely unsure how much I should explain what's wrong with that mentality. It would help me a lot if you would finally say out loud what is this "responsible attitude towards sex" you keep talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 12:20 PM
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By not having sex except when the goal is to procreate? So by having "responsible attitude towards sex" you mean either go for anal or full abstinence? It's an interesting take to be sure, but given how reluctant you seem to be about saying it out loud I think you understand its problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 11:47 AM
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Do you know how many different forms of birth control there are? How many of them that are 100% effective? didn’t take a strict enough line with her You haven't established the pregnancy in your hypothetical is due to something reasonably could've been prevented
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 11:11 AM
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Condoms and pills are not 100% effective so with all the responsibility in the world you can still end up with unwanted pregnancy. Rape victims can get pregnant too. So unless this is all news to you, I don't see how these things are related.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 10:57 AM
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How that relates to considering yourself a failed parent if your daughter needs an abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 10:51 AM
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You haven't explained the thing I asked you about. If you're not planning on doing so, plz stop this pointless "vaguely hinting at maybe giving an explanation later" game, it's entirely pointless waste of time. If you plan on answering, please do so quickly.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 10:28 AM
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Responsibly as in take care of birth control, make sure not to get or spread std's, make sure both are enthuastically consenting, and clean after yourselves? I feel like I am familiar with the topic. Why you ask?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 10:23 AM
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Do I seriously need to explain this? Yes please.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 10:12 AM
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This remains true at any age. Me and my gf are just starting out on this journey and it's basically the best thing ever, but I also feel like I would have ended up with worse relationship if I didn't have experiences on my own first, discover myself and all that jazz. The thing about that is, you kinda need to do it alone, others can't do it for you or even help you, and once you're in a relationship, for all its positives, it comes with heavy obligations as well, restricting you. Which is why r…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 10:10 AM
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I don't share the obsession these types of subreddits have about n-count. But after "fucking the sluts" as you put it, you get a better idea of who you are, what you want, and can use that to make better choice about who you'd want to have a long term relationship with.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 09:55 AM
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If your daughter needs an abortion one day, you shouldn’t be thinking of how to raise taxes on the middle class to fund Planned Parenthood. You should spend your time reflecting upon all the ways in which you’ve failed as a parent. This went from 0 to absolutely insane real fast. What even happened here? How is your daughter needing an abortion reason to think you have failed as a parent? Also, you seem to be repeating this weird, not-fact-based meme about how middle class ends up losing money w…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 09:44 AM
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That sounds like a terrible advice all in all. First of all, settling down might not even be in the interests of everyone especially early on in life. Brushing that aside, being a virgin is absolutely no advantage in a relationship, if anything you're just gonna be more likely to fuck things up because you have even less of an idea what you're doing than others who have had at least some attempts before at building life together with someone else. But it works better if you package this deal wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 09:38 AM
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I don't think sex is quite that important but as a someone who was virgin into his 30's, I do think having sex has improved quality of my life significantly. I used to feel really awkward around women because of that and it hindered my social life, I was at times feeling depressed about it, and simply sex gives such amazingly good feeling. But what you want to understand is that it's not just that social circles, hobbies and such distract you. They make you a better person and enable you to meet…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 06:26 AM
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Victim narrative however is the defining point that defines trp. Remove that and you'd just end up with just another generic self-improvement / dating guide thing. And not even a very good one I don't think. The whole concept is based around this dark bitter truth that is kept from you and that you have to swallow, that's the red pill metaphor. If you aren't a victim, if people aren't trying to bring you down and probably shoot down your gender, you lose the core concept of the place.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 06:13 AM
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Just as a correction, it's not at all the only configuration for how to manage a team of two that the man makes big bucks and the woman just focuses on helping in that. Other than that, sure, I'd agree with this. But the way you presume the exact dynamic between the two people just unnerves me a bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 04:53 AM
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I'm just gonna make a wild bet that you would not in any world end up in a happy relationship with a woman that's looking for chads and has onlyfans page, so I'm not sure why you care about those women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/20 10:48 PM
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All I can tell you is, pick better relationships. That's however kinda the irony of TRP, even if one tries their very best to only take good bits of that culture, they will fail to teach you to have some sorta solid, healthy foundation for a relationship. So at best you get some kinda superficial resemblance to a good relationship that is rotten deep inside, and where you will need to constantly be patching things so it remains an endless energy sink without giving much any satisfaction back. So…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/20 10:45 PM
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Why would a man even want a Millennial or Gen-Z woman as a life partner? Because having a life partner makes bad days better, good days better, and just overall gives you love and support when you need it the most? Admittedly, it brings its own challenges with it. Personally I still find maintaining relationship to be basically the hardest thing I've ever done. But also the most rewarding one. Each day I feel like I've become a better person because of my partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/20 09:17 PM
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No. No matter how much people browsing certain kinds of defeatist content wish it was so. I guess even redpillers eventually grow up too, so I wouldn't expect even their relationship statistics ending abysmal
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/20 08:34 PM
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For people who are unattractive, date in your league I absolutely detest this piece of advice. This whole league thinking is nonsense to me. There is no "league", that's just self-imposed prison you're putting yourself in. Worse yet, it hinders you from realizing the main goal, having positive human to human experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/20 11:31 AM
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Researchers have to use certain semantics It's also known as "not lying". It has some popularity even outside academia among people who don't want to just make shit up to support their point.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/20 02:08 AM
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[sociosexual orientation] which is genetic and permanent Your words Sociosexual orientation (just like all other personality traits) is a relatively stable trait of individuals over the life course; in other words, people are either sociosexually restricted or unrestricted most of their lives. If I have to step down to point out how these two statements are logically contradictory, there simply is no hope to have any sort of intelligent discussion. Sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/20 01:58 AM
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Lmao please see below: Yet again your own source disagrees with your claims. At this point I'm gonna just assume this discussion is not gonna progress anywhere and call it quits.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/20 01:05 AM
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The causation is completely irrelevant to men. both promiscuity and cheating are caused by the same gene Funny how quickly you contradict yourself, but talking about the second quote, it's wrong even by your own sources, in multitude of ways. First of, the paper that talked about genetics failed to identify any particularly significant single gene that would affect this sociosexual orientation. They found some areas of interest but paper itself downplayed them as not being that significant. They…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/20 12:41 AM
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I like to think that way yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/20 11:59 PM
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wer probability of cheating: Correlation does not imply causation. You linked studies about correlation. Admittedly, if you are extremely paranoid about being cheated on, then I guess you would take every measure possible to make sure you get that probability down and it seems plausible dating low n-count helps in that. Maybe. she will be better able to pair bond Umm, what? Why? How would you know this? Why do you believe that to be true? Less jaded, empty, bitter, cynical, skeptical since they …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/20 11:58 PM
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You didn't even try to defend your claims in it which I questioned. I took it as admitting defeat.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/20 11:50 PM
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So I take it you're admitting your initial comment was exaggerated and not that truthful?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/20 11:42 PM
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I'm willing to go along with "have been policing it". All men are like that, and that men are programmed to find sluts disgusting? Absolute nonsense. You could maybe get away with "many men" but even that would require source.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/20 11:19 PM
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There are reasons why we value fertility and innocence. Name three reasons for valuing innocence.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/20 11:09 PM
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I know for a fact that to be bs. The question then is, how much is it bs? I'm genuinely interested if you're just saying that because you yourself are obsessed about this purity, or if you have data.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/20 11:07 PM
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So everyone is lying and all evidence contrary to your belief is just a perfectly coordinated conspiracy done by all men without any supervision..? Funny that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/20 08:22 PM
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I do find it super weird. I haven't met a man that shares these thoughts about female purity, so it's super hard to say how common these thoughts are. To me it seems countries with high gender inequality are by far more likely to have this ideal. My pet hypothesis is that it's got to do with thinking women as property.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/20 06:37 PM
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The guy that will give you his jacket when you're cold, pay for all your meals, provide for you, etc. Funny enough, I just talked about this with my gf, the "traditional family-oriented relationship", which is basically a code for "woman as a house slave, with high potential for sexual abuse sprinkled in". It's not like you directly say you'd want woman as a house slave here. But the idea that these sorta acts seem to carry subtly is that you view women as incapable of doing things themselves. Y…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/20 06:48 AM
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Trumps pussy pass is slowly getting denied even with press. Nice to see. That's what this video is about, right?
/r/PussyPassDenied12/05/20 10:08 AM
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It just doesn't mean anything to you. More and more men are using it to decide which females have value and which ones don't. If you want to stay in the dark that's on you. You yourself answered my criticism of why the concept fails to address reality by "it's not supposed to be precise". So yeah, it seems it really doesn't mean anything sensible, at least based on words used to describe it and what you've told me about it. That more and more men use it is basically arguing that because somethin…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/20 08:21 PM
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I don't think the SMP/SMV theory is supposed to be mathematically precise. It's just a simplified way to explain it. You don't see it as a problem when you develop huge theory trying to explain things in terms of an analogy, and that analogy falls completely apart even upon cursory inspection? The whole concept of smv is basically just nonsense unless you have at least some way of anchoring this smp thing to reality. Admitting you can't means every time you speak of "lower market value" you're s…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/20 07:09 PM
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Your target: some pussies -> game needed. "game" being shorthand for "make first impressions do you favors". The obvious problem is that you want to seem interesting, but don't want to develop personality, social skills and all that nonsense, so you look a shortcut into the system. Which sounds insurmountable a task if you think of women as real humans, but sprinkle in some superiority complex fueled misogyny, and now you can start to pretend you have a "formula" for how women work, and can star…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/20 06:48 PM
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Sex, relationships, and validation (status) is the currency. That sentence doesn't even make sense in smp context. They are usually treated as goods that smv can be used to purchase. Like, can you buy better smv by having lots of sex? I guess not, because... Simple, the less miles she has the more valuable she is. I honestly don't believe that females can't understand this. They just want to have their cake and eat it too. Why more valuable? If anything, she would gain value from being more expe…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/20 04:44 PM
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I wish I could begin to comprehend just how messed up your thinking is. To start with something, lets just start with the idea of smv, or "social market value" I think it is? The idea seems to be to conflate economics and dating. But there's one rather big difference at play here. Dating "economy" has no currency that can be exchanged. Economy works mostly by projecting values to some currency so if you have two potatos, and want two apples, you sell two potatos for the currency, then use curren…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/20 04:17 PM
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No, nice guys raise all kinds of red flags
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/20 07:08 PM
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Why what?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/20 01:51 PM
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I think it would be a bit weird to think this deeply about your daughters sex life. You'd be raising her for her to eventually grow up, become adult, and do adult stuff. Have her own identity, own thoughts, and do things that don't involve you. Including having sex. If you can't handle that I don't think having children, male or female, is for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/20 01:40 PM
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Hookups? Yeah. To me the emotional connection, even brief, was always super important, and I felt really good for it for days.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/20 01:35 PM
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In a relationship? You shouldn't use it as bargaining chip because you're basically holding emotional connection as hostage. Even if it might seem to work in short term you're gonna end up miserable as both end up treating that emotional connection simply as a currency to buy things from partner rather than something that empowers you both. When not in relationship? No idea. It sounds like you're talking of prostitution. I'm in support of it but please do inform your customer of your prices, oth…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/20 01:31 PM
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I absolutely love hookup culture. It's a great way to have some sexual encounters despite being quite a bit of a social outcast myself. I'm now happily in a relationship but hookups I had are still something I'm happy to have experienced.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/20 01:26 PM
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Don't engage in kinks you don't enjoy. Problem solved!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/20 12:31 PM
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Even granting you that goal of each relationship is purely to have partner for life and absolutely nothing else, your logic still doesn't make a lick of sense. The best chess player, Magnus Carlsen, probably lost dozens or hundreds of games almost back to back, against very bad players, when he was starting out. Are you still gonna call him a failure as a chess player because he wasn't born as the best? Is the entire chess world just protecting his ego from realizing he's a complete failure as a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/20 11:28 AM
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To fuck, high To date, preferably not virgin but don't care otherwise To marry, has absolutely no bearing on marrying. I never understood virginity worship :o
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/20 11:01 AM
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I think bdsm goes deeper than sexual education. I know I had my first bdsm-related vivid fantasies at the age of 5.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/20 10:54 AM
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Don't kink shame.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/20 10:48 AM
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Weirdly you haven’t seemed as concerned about child porn as you do about me snooping. The reason is because I have this amazing ability to understand simple reasoning based on chains of cause and effect. For example, seeing that what you're doing has absolutely nothing to do with helping combat child porn, but it instead could lead one to misguidedly committing crimes "for a noble cause". As someone who actually works in trying to teach people these skills of reasoning, I find it endlessly fasci…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/20 03:33 AM
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Because I’m looking out for it. Unless you're literally hacking their devices without their knowledge(a crime btw), how are you exactly doing something that even in your wildest fantasies had any kind of chance of catching someone fapping to child porn? Also your claim about porn contributing to child porn is just so insane non-sequitor I'm not even sure if you're trolling me or what.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/20 03:18 AM
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And your worry about child porn helps in making these decisions... how? Just because you are imagining your male relatives fapping to child porn doesn't help your nephew in any way I can see. It however does seem to indicate very weird trust issues and very peculiar disposition to your way of using your imagination.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/20 02:51 AM
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So just to make sure, how often are you imagining your friends, family, co-workers and random people you see on streets jerking off to child porn? If you answer "you don't", you shared my "relaxed" answer. If you answer more than not at all, well, I think you have a problem. That sounds unhealthy on multiple layers
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/20 02:33 AM
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The intellectual dishonesty you demonstrate is honestly quite awe-inspiring. I've never before seen someone so quickly go with "but child porn" and then regardless of answer, "ew child porn? Gross, don't want to talk about this". Frustratingly efficient but absolutely disgusting from a moral standpoint.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/20 02:21 AM
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Oh I see. Yeah, I guess I should've added some disclaimer about consenting adults onto the fapping thing. Although it doesn't really change my answer, as I don't see it possible for me to police someone elses fapping, and as such I don't spend my thoughts thinking about how maybe Charles wanked off to child porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/20 01:53 AM
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I'm eagerly awaiting you to tie those things into one coherent argument and not just some lazy attempt to shift discussion into "why I think child porn is wrong" as if that was in any way related to what you or me had said previously.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/20 01:43 AM
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Men have slapped, choked and strangled me. If you didn't want that, then... the difference is consent. It's not a hard concept to wrap your mind around either. In the case of the comic, the woman gave consent. You didn't. I don't know specifics but in theory it might be possible you got sexually assaulted. How can I ever feel safe w men knowing many ejaculate to the thought of harming women? Because it has quite literally nothing to do with you? You'll have to explain what sort of connection you…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/20 01:18 AM
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It's not about attractive vs unattractive, it's your partner vs someone else. There are a lot of things my partner and I can do to each other that we would not accept from anyone else. No matter how attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/20 01:06 AM
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As someone who does something similar to this... I'm just gonna go ahead and say that you're being exceedingly narrow-minded. Sexuality has many ways it presents itself in different people, most usually without any sort of underlying damage or trauma behind it. There are many different sexual kinks that I don't subscribe to, but as long as physical harm is kept to an acceptable level between consenting adults, I wouldn't even imagine judging that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/20 01:00 AM
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Out of all the things to be insecure about, why height?
/r/PussyPassDenied01/01/19 06:57 AM
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In the past they've been quite careful to phrase it "we don't have any current plans to do this, if a good idea comes around, we may change our view", rather than "not ever". I'd love to see female James Bond.
/r/PussyPassDenied11/10/18 01:53 PM
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Well... First of all, someone makes a post saying people that fancy her don't tend to have the glamour and style of people that she fancies. Seems innocent enough observation, and since she's using animated cars to make the comparison, this seems all rather lighthearted. Next up, a year later someone finds this post, creates account for that less glamorous animated car, and yells "who said I like you?". Joke on the surface being that you didn't expect animated cars to actually take part in any c…
/r/PussyPassDenied04/07/17 07:04 AM
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I don't know, I saw this subreddit on r/all like 6 months ago or a year ago or whatever, and the content seemed relevant and people at least seemed to hide their misogynism better. Then rather suddenly posts became just very blatant misogynism and essentially just random screenshots of people terrorizing women got huge number of upvotes. To me it seemed like hostile takeover, but I never followed the sub that much, so dunno.
/r/PussyPassDenied03/07/17 10:53 PM
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I like the idea of this sub, but userbase seems to be mostly just pure cancer, misogynists assholes. It kinda saddens me, since I'm honestly just expecting more from humanity. But whatever. Neckbeards will neckbeard.
/r/PussyPassDenied03/07/17 10:48 PM
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You don't understand law
/r/PussyPassDenied16/05/17 10:00 AM
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Hard to tell the difference between r/pussypassdenied and r/ragingmisogynistsinsultingpeople nowdays These are meant to be separate subs right?
/r/PussyPassDenied24/04/17 08:15 PM
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This sub started popping up on r/all, and the first few posts I saw here were really juicy and funny. Some time after I started noticing anti-women sentiments, like, serious malice, but at first it was subtle and I wasn't really sure if I was just imagining it. Now I'm fairly certain this has become some red pill alt sub. Unfortunate, but it was fun while it lasted.
/r/PussyPassDenied13/04/17 06:23 AM
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Except that she didn't bully anyone. Just some asshole targeting her because she put her face out there, and despicable assholes like yourself jump in supporting such a thing. There's a difference between posting your picture with "fuck this short asshole" text below it, and just saying "I dislike short assholes" without referring to you in any way, letting you decide for yourself if you want to be triggered. I'm mostly re-explaining this to better understand if you're too dumb to understand Eng…
/r/PussyPassDenied07/03/17 08:52 AM
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I'm honestly unsure if you actually believe a word of what leaves your mouth. You're wrong on facts, you're totally disregarding logical coherence, and you're advocating bullying and harassment. I can't think of a level on which you failed to be wrong at.
/r/PussyPassDenied07/03/17 06:21 AM
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That's... that's not even a coherent sentence, is it? For doing these arguments by analogies, you'd have to remain coherent enough that you manage to write my positions or their parodies into it. Now this is just some fifth world problems writing prompt material.
/r/PussyPassDenied05/03/17 12:50 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/pussypassdenied/comments/5xg7kx/apply_shit_to_burnt_area/deihpug/ I mentioned here as well that this can become a bit hairy if you give blanket pass to all sort of demographic ridiculing. I don't have a solution for that. But every time I mention that, I'll also mention that out of all the ways I've seen groups or demographics ridiculed, this "rolls her eyes" expression is one of the tamest and least offensive I've ever seen. When I say "it could be problematic", I'm thi…
/r/PussyPassDenied04/03/17 10:39 PM
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Not really "single abuser". People are very good at spreading the blame among a group so that no one appears to be actually doing much when they're bullying, making it way more difficult to stop it. But the 'being victim' part can't really be shared or gained through proxies or whatnot. That's not how bullying works. If I say I don't like hamburgers and you're like, the biggest fan of hamburgers ever, that's not bullying you, no matter how much you take it upon yourself to defend hamburgers.
/r/PussyPassDenied04/03/17 10:26 PM
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So basically, you would defend the KKK for spewing racist hatred. Just to get this right, you're, without any hint of irony, saying that if I prefer my dates to be non-black, I'm part of KKK and admitting to this is spewing racist hatred? Am I being trolled? Every man under 6 feet tall was the intended target of her scorn. Every man under 6 feet tall is not a person, unfortunately. If you liken her comment to a racist outburst, then you'd kinda make it okay to call her out on it. But by doing so…
/r/PussyPassDenied04/03/17 09:52 PM
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That's not a person. I honestly have no idea if you're far too emotionally attached to whatever group identities you have, or if you just fail to have proper respect toward other people. Either way, that doesn't sound healthy.
/r/PussyPassDenied04/03/17 09:42 PM
1

By the same logic I should be able to make a "funny message" about not liking black people And if someone did turn hordes of malevolent idiots after you for such post, I would equally jump to your defense the best of my ability. You are the one making apologies for cyber-bullying. I am just cheering on a cyber-bully getting their ass handed to them publicly. Bullying has a victim. Who was the victim of this girl?
/r/PussyPassDenied04/03/17 08:52 PM
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You're confusing personal attack vs sweeping "I don't really like short dudes" funny message. Essentially you're condoning cyberbullying. Edit: Just to clarify: To me this reads more or less like Girl A: "Haha I dislike guys being short" Asshole B shoots Girl A "Haha sick burn" -Reddit. It's so wrong on so many levels.
/r/PussyPassDenied04/03/17 08:23 PM
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THIS IS NOT /R/BEATINGWOMEN. /r/pussypassdenied is not for misogynists, racists, or otherwise douchy types of individuals. From the subreddit rules. I'm not active user here, but I'm just seeing some dissonance with this post and the rules as stated.
/r/PussyPassDenied04/03/17 05:57 PM
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One thing I'm kinda confused about is that in her post/comment/whatever, I didn't really see who she was referring to. It seemed like one of those "Met a short guy" type of comments. With some random asshole just attacking her via some pretty followed twitter account or whatnot and calling her fat in retribution. Even 4chan would hesitate before committing acts of asshattery like that. If she was calling names on someone specific, then it's a bit different since at least they BOTH were then doin…
/r/PussyPassDenied04/03/17 05:50 PM
1

...Being an asshole isn't showing a double standard, it's just being an asshole. I've came to this subreddit a couple of times, and usually the story of the picture has been "Girl acts like asshole and tries to do something because pussy pass, gets denied". Here it's a girl kinda acting mean(I'm honestly not even sure if I read that malevolent intent behind her message, but if you're sure it's her being asshole, sure, I can go with that), and someone retaliating by being asshole in return. Yay? …
/r/PussyPassDenied04/03/17 05:39 PM
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if you could please. if it was image gallery then it's enough to link it, I'm on phone and I'm not sure if it shows galleries properly. But if it was just that single image, then I don't really know
/r/PussyPassDenied04/03/17 04:10 PM
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what's the point of this image? some asshole meninist harassing someone?
/r/PussyPassDenied04/03/17 03:41 PM
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