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Sounds like a boarding school boy who joins the army.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 04:53 PM
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I would change nothing. Everything works perfectly as far as I can tell.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 01:49 PM
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1 already happens. And 2 and 3 are beneficial for men who don't do them, so who cares about those who do?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 10:19 AM
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Sex can be a present or a gift. Some people are very kindhearted like that and get pleasure from giving others pleasure.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 09:15 AM
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All too many people on here think that one exception proves a generalisation wrong. But if you want to navigate life, you have to start with generalisations and rules of thumb and then focus on the individual in front of you. If you need a vehicle, you don't consider every motorbike, car, van and truck. You decide what kind of vehicle you are looking for, then pay close attention to the differences between those that meet those criteria. An inability to generalise, and an inability to focus on i…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 10:08 AM
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I don't give a shit what other people think. My neighbours may be scandalised by the women coming and going from my home, but I live my life on my own terms.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 10:01 AM
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Oh, I thought you were supposed to be the good guys. Now you are saying you are no better than the Americans. Two wrongs don't make a right.
/r/TheRedPill02/08/23 08:10 AM
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Conquering the world and spreading peace? That's like fucking for virginity.
/r/TheRedPill02/08/23 07:59 AM
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You say that, but isn't it religious men who tend to be the least masculine? They get really insecure and butthurt when you laugh at their imaginary friends and stone-age morality. Very sensitive guys.
/r/TheRedPill02/08/23 07:43 AM
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Experience is great. She has shagged loads of other guys and I am getting the benefit of it. If a woman didn't enjoy having sex with lots of other guys, she probably wouldn't enjoy having sex with me. It is a win-win. N-count is not like mileage on a car. It only decreases your value to guys who think sex is something rare and precious.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 06:58 AM
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Women are under no obligation to reply to your messages. I'm a guy and I don't respond to most of my matches. Why? Because I turn off notifications and only look at OLD at specific times when I am available to chat briefly. Then I quickly arrange to meet a few people the following week and ignore the rest. I don't like wasting my time chatting to strangers. Meeting in person is the only thing of value to me. If someone is not replying, simply talk to someone else or go and do something more cons…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 06:36 AM
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Oh, another one who thinks she actually died... There's one born every minute...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 12:21 PM
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I took an umbrella with me yesterday, and it didn't rain. Clearly, my umbrella stopped it from raining.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 09:00 AM
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It is impossible for that to happen in practice, because it goes against the interests of our lizard overlords.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 06:53 AM
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The bloodiest-per-capita wars in human history have been tribal wars. Large-scale societies have never even come close. The difference is an order of magnitude. Source: "War before Civilization" by Keeley and Richardson. The bloodiest-per-capita war in a large-scale society, in modern times at least, was probably the Taiping Rebellion in China.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 06:47 AM
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It probably will help you get laid. But you will only be getting a small part of the benefits you could be getting with a more holistic approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 06:34 PM
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"You will not be having sex with barely legal girls when you're in your 30s and 40s." You started with a nice simple straw man to eviscerate. No-one with a brain or experience suggests anything like that. A guy who has little success with women in his 20s will have relatively little success in his 30s (except with women who have lowered their standards). It is generally the guys who were attractive (for whatever reason) while young, who are attractive while old. In some cases, reasonable-looking…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 06:32 PM
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I have never had a longlasting relationship that started with waiting for sex. It has always happened very soon (first or second time we met). I have had a few relationships where, after waiting for sex against my instincts, as soon as I had sex I realised it wasn't worth it and the relationship ended there. So advising people to wait seems silly to me. Better to just enjoy yourself and not waste time.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 06:26 PM
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"Wait till you are 18."
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 05:06 PM
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Women have generally fawned over me. And I'm not even conventionally attractive. Why? Because I'm reasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 08:59 PM
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Most women are not that fragile. You speak as if they were vulnerable teenagers.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 08:53 PM
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Men want sex in exchange for sex. That is a fair exchange and as it should be.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 07:35 PM
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That is simply a list of irrelevant bugbears that have nothing to do with being a decent, responsible adult and paying for your own bloody food.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 07:11 PM
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It will all become clear when the bill comes. But it is so rare for a woman to expect men to pay, that it has only happened to me once in 50 years, and she was originally from Eastern Europe.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 07:06 PM
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I mean no tip is expected in restaurants. So no arguing over how much that should be either.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 07:05 PM
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I enjoy sex if I feel appreciated. And I feel appreciated and special if he pays for dinner So you like to have sex in exchange for resources. That doesn't sound too great.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 06:34 PM
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Divide that by 10 or 20 in most western countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 06:31 PM
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UK, Ireland, Spain and Portugal too. Plus, in the latter two cases, no tip is expected.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 06:29 PM
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Do they have to be competent at spelling too?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 05:29 PM
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You mean make a deal before you enter the restaurant?🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 04:53 PM
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Where I live, a man paying is not seen as masculine or romantic, but as insecure/controlling/desperate/unaccustomed to interacting with women. These customs are very culture-specific.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 04:50 PM
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That's awful! Shall we get some food? Yes And the first one has to pay? Nonsense. Thankfully, in 50 years, only one woman has ever expected me to pay, so the relationship ended there and then.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 04:47 PM
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Actually, I have not been the hotter one. And certainly not the younger. Some women are just not very materialistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 07:56 PM
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I never had any trouble dating when broke. And even when far from broke I have been in relationships in which the woman has insisted on paying far more than me for things we do together. There are all kinds of people in the world. For most people, not getting yourself out there just because you are broke is simply an excuse to avoid rejection.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 07:21 PM
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Because I don't share those values. And I have met very, very few people who do.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 06:51 PM
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What do you mean by romantic? In my experience, most men don't care much about a woman being romantic: they create the romance and the woman consumes it. A woman being hot, pleasant, fun, exciting and available is more important than romance to most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 06:44 PM
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What you are suggesting is not even traditional. It is simply a very particular (and, to me, odd) way of looking at sexual relationships, specific to a particular personality type and cultural background.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 06:19 PM
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Yeah, everyone has to find the best way for them. Just wait till you get pregnant. Then you really have fun trying out imaginative positions and laughing at each other🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 09:50 PM
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Yeah, of course. The cock is inside but you still get the clitoral stimulation. In the end none of it really matters. What matters is that both people are enjoying having sex together. If you can do things you both like at the same time, so much the better.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 09:48 PM
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The clit is pretty much always involved. I think a woman's ability to cum during penetrative sex depends on the distance of the clit from the opening. That would go some way towards explaining the variation between women's experience. One modern problem is that when people watch porn, they don't see clitoral stimulation during penetration, as it would be impossible to see directly. So they think penetration is just penetration without clitoral stimulation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 07:55 PM
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That's different. It is, of course, true that intelligence can raise status and bring money.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 06:52 PM
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High status can be a good chess player in your chess club. Or someone whose poetry is admired. Etc. It is always contextual.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 06:51 PM
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Well, there are many different forms of intelligence, as we are all aware. Many of the kinds of intelligence valued in modern society would have been of dubious utility throughout most of human existence (maths, for example). But an ability to discern motives, interpret behaviour, manipulate and influence, have always been conducive to survival and reproduction.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 05:56 PM
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Surely it is better to communicate rather than fake? That way you get the sex you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 05:52 PM
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All it takes is a willing partner to tell you how she likes it. Hundreds of millions of people around the world can confirm this.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 05:50 PM
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Luckily, this is one of few STDs men are more likely (twice as likely) to pick up from women than women from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 05:48 PM
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It is not emasculating: it is simply personal preference. There are plenty of women who don't like to receive oral sex, so it is not a problem to find someone compatible if you don't want to do it. You don't need to justify your personal preferences by insulting others.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 05:45 PM
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If you think self-protection is unimportant, you clearly have not been exposed to what some people can be like: some people are quite crazy and you don't find out until after you have had sex with them. You don't need an excuse not to interact with someone, just a reason: you have every right not to communicate with anyone you don't want to. Trying to twist people's arms into doing so with moral judgement is simply abuse. And avoiding abuse is not cowardice: it is having healthy boundaries. You …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 05:39 PM
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It can be a lot more than cowardice: self-protection, disgust, laziness, avoiding hurting someone's feelings by dragged into a conversation in which expressing your honest feelings could be hurtful to hear, and many other things, can also play a role. It is part of the dance of human relationships and always has been. It is simply more feasible now that people don't only meet those who cross their paths in person.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 05:05 PM
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But not those who are socially intelligent. Being a maths genius probably won't get you laid. Being skilled at social interactions and high in cognitive empathy will.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 05:00 PM
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No, in one case it is insisting the person behave in a certain way. In the other, it is accepting that the person is who they are, and acknowledging you won't be with someone like that. Someone without boundaries would stay after they cheated.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 10:10 AM
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Nothing wrong with being considered an arsehole.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 10:08 AM
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That is a boundary and it is perfectly fine. Some people just have to accept they are not marriage material for some people. Insisting they act differently would be abusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 10:07 AM
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Exactly. No wonder men are hesitant to open up and express their feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 10:04 AM
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No, but they allow it to happen. It is not inevitable. As a doctor once said to a friend of the family, "You say you exercise enough and don't eat too much, but there were no fat people in Belsen."
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 09:57 AM
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🤣🤣 nice
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 09:54 AM
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I see any kind of influence over another person to be manipulation. Negging someone is manipulation. Telling someone something nice to cheer them up is manipulation. It does have negative connotations in common parlance, but it is actually neutral. Like any form of power it can be used for positive or negative ends.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 09:52 AM
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I've never met a woman who wasn't attracted to status (in its various forms). You simply have to listen to how they describe men. However, I have met many who deny it because they think it makes them look superficial. People are a bundle of contradictions and generally lack self-awareness.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 09:41 AM
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Over time most people in cohabiting LTRs are less happy and become diminished as people in comparison to how they would be apart. This is because of the extreme compromises they make: giving up other friendships and relationships and not forging new ones, intellectual pursuits, career opportunities, etc. They develop less as people than they would if they were free to make their own choices. And they are less happy as their one most important relationship stales. When their partner dies or leave…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 09:17 AM
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The problem with marriage is not only divorce. It is loss of personal potential.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 09:08 AM
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Where I live daycare is 200 euros a month (public, high quality facilities). Health care and schooling (from the age of 3) are free. I guess it all depends where you choose to live.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 06:26 AM
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People are naturally slim. But our natural environment is not one with a constant abundance of high-calorie foods.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 09:50 PM
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No, I simply drift away from women who are not sexually compatible and spend more time with those who are.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 09:37 PM
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That sounds like more of a you problem. Most people don't spend that much because they don't have that much money.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 09:35 PM
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No doubt it helps. But it is only a tiny part of the story.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 01:20 PM
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What do you mean by love?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 01:08 PM
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But you are infinitely more expensive than an equally beautiful woman who pays her way. You are competing with her, not sex workers.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 10:21 AM
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Having known men who only found out months after commencing a sexual relationship that their girlfriend had given birth to a child years before and not told them, it would seem that childbirth does not necessarily affect a woman's appearance much. Having had sex with many women who have had children, I can attest to that too. Some women do have issues, mainly with eating, during and after pregnancy but that is a personal choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 08:51 AM
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For a sexual partner it most definitely is. For a companion, sister or friend, not so much. But beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 08:45 AM
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The overwhelmingly majority of men do help financially when a woman has children. And if they don't, the state forces them to. That battle was won loooooong ago. What men don't need to do is pay for things for women just because one day, in the future, she may possibly have a child with them or another man, and they are having sex with them right now. That would stupid. It would be paying women simply for existing or a form of soft prostitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 08:37 AM
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If the man wasn't there, she would be paying 100% of her share. Why should it be any different when the man is there? Are women not as capable of looking after themselves as men? --- Not everyone has kids. But how people arrange their affairs when they do is their business. Couples work all that out for themselves based on their own principles. When the woman is the higher earner, it is common for the man to take on more of the childcare etc. For most women, being a mother is a delight, not a jo…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 08:15 AM
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No, women don't just care about the best men. Men and women try to get the best they can. They don't actually get the best. All you need to get a woman is to be good enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 06:08 AM
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You are talking about relationships not sexual attraction. They are two very different things. That is the reason behind all of your confusion in this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 06:06 AM
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In evolutionary terms: nuclear families were not the unit of society. Extended families and tribes were. As hunter gatherers it is very hard for an individual or nuclear family to survive alone. Resources tend to be gathered as they are needed. You are thinking more of agricultural societies, which are a blink of an eye in evolutionary terms.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 06:04 AM
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Yes. No doubt about it. The key is: don't let them act like that for more than 15 minutes in any interaction. Your job is to change their emotional state and have fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 10:01 PM
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Good man!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 09:59 PM
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Because the same men are adored by men and women. Men want to be them. Women want to be with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 09:54 PM
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Then get more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 09:52 PM
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Yeah they are pretty good principles. But if you don't have a good mindset, no principles will help you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 09:52 PM
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What they say and what they do are two different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 09:50 PM
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Yeah, but they don't get them. There's your chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 09:42 PM
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Yeah, but you can choose to only keep sleeping with women who cum more readily.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 09:07 PM
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Yeah, I avoid women like that. The ones who don't cum from penetration.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 09:04 PM
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I'm guessing you are a woman🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 05:39 PM
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It is about a quarter of that price in western countries where it is legal. But why bother? In countries where it is legal few guys do it because it is no substitute for the real thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 05:25 PM
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A year before moving in? More like five. Jesus... Do what you like, but if you can't afford your own place, what do you think you are doing?
/r/TheRedPill19/07/23 05:20 PM
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They are attracted. It is just that male and female attraction tends to work differently. So they are not attracted in the same way you are, because they are men. I'd fuck an attractive girl who is a neonazi. But I wouldn't like her as a person. That doesn't matter when it comes to sexual attraction. It does matter for a relationship, which is completely different.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 04:59 PM
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It is bad advice to look for love. And bad advice to let it just come to you. It is good advice to tidy yourself up, learn social skills, and meet lots of people. Then it "just happens".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 04:36 PM
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It is bad advice to look for love. And bad advice to let it just come to you. It is good advice to tidy yourself up, learn social skills, and meet lots of people. Then it "just happens".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 04:33 PM
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It's only important when you are not getting any. When you are, it is just a natural part of everyday life.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 04:30 PM
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He's fourteen years old. Good at sport though.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 04:25 PM
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She?🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 04:25 PM
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My girlfriend likes porn for women, but for me it is boring. It is directed in such a way that the focus keeps on switching too fast and makes it difficult to concentrate on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 04:00 PM
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They say women never approach, but this afternoon, my teenage son was walking through a shopping centre to meet me, on holiday in the UK, and a girl stopped him and asked him for his Snapchat. Same thing happened at home in the Mediterranean. But that time it was Instagram. Good genes, that's all I'm saying...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 03:58 PM
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They are attracted to them sexually but not romantically. I'm attracted to at least 10 times as many women sexually as I am romantically.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 03:52 PM
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I've done that with women. And it was simply that I had other women I went out with and some just for occasional sex, dinner and conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 03:49 PM
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If he's having sex with you, he is sexually attracted. If he is never seen with you in public, he either doesn't want a deeper relationship with you, thinks you are crazy or is seeing too many other women to bother. Or you are a side piece.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 03:45 PM
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That's the thing: when you are something, you simply live it, you don't go around publishing that fact that you are it. That is mere PR.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 07:28 AM
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Because all kinds of things happen in life and sometimes people grow apart. We change as we grow.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 07:26 AM
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Sometimes it is. Sometimes it isn't. It all depends on how the relationship goes. Basically, it is that way in almost every western country these days. People are not forced to stay married.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 06:10 PM
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If a woman doesn't want to have sex, she doesn't do it. The benefit both parties get is having sex. Unless one is trying to extract resources, commitment, etc. Then it is a more dubious proposition.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 06:09 PM
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When I said my marriage vows, a public official read out the duties of marriage (practically none, except an obligation to live together; property kept completely separate) and the rules for getting divorced (free choice of either party after 12 weeks of marriage). That was the law, whether we like it or not. Whether it is temporary or lifelong is up to the people involved alone, as it should be. Your religion may disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 06:06 PM
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It really is that simple: what two people decide to do sexually with one another affects no-one they don't have sex with.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 02:56 PM
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No, it benefits neither sex more. It benefits the two people involved equally. They both get what they want: sex. The only way to conclude it benefits one sex more than the other is to introduce your own values external to the situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 02:54 PM
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I think you are really overthinking this. Men and women like sex. Some of them like having sex with people they barely know. Being promiscuous benefits those who like being promiscuous and harms no-one who doesn't want to be. Live and let live. Next you'll be saying gays, non-reproducing bachelors and people whose beliefs god hates are bad for society...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 02:18 PM
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"Till death do us part" was not in my marriage vows. That is something very specific to a particular place and culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 01:06 PM
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That's like saying because Hitler was a vegetarian, watch out in case any vegetarians you know are secretly Nazis... 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 12:39 PM
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Today you don't have to grind and self-improve if you are average. You just have to accept someone else average. It really hasn't changed much at all. What has changed is social media, increasing isolation and a perception of inadequacy. At least that is the case everywhere I have lived in Europe. "Dating" in the USA has always seemed weird to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 11:57 AM
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What a strange world you live in! All the high n-count people I know are really laid back and easy-going. They don't take life too seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 11:49 AM
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I don't know. I'm not sure I've ever met such a man: a man who can find noone attracted to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 10:31 AM
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To me that seems like an odd thing to do, as I have always rejected any woman who wants such things from me. Perhaps some men would be happy with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 10:05 AM
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No-one wants to admit hard truths to themselves. And that leaves a lot of people open to grifters who can sell them a dream they can't achieve. The path to getting what you want, if you are not naturally gifted, is difficult whether it be learning seduction or game, improving your body and lifestyle, or adopting a functioning mindset. But the beginning has to be admitting to yourself and accepting who you are. Only then can you start to take steps in the right direction.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 09:58 AM
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Your problem is in mixing red pillers up with traditionalists. Those "red pillers" who are traditionalists deceive themselves into thinking they can use red pill tools to achieve blue pill goals. They deny reality. The more classic red pillers look at how sexual dynamics work, accept reality for what it is and themselves for who they are, and forge the best life they can for themselves on their own terms.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 09:37 AM
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No-one divorces due to a moment of dissatisfaction. But if your lives are less good together than they would be apart, then you have to question whether being together is a good thing. Just because society/other people want you to grin and bear it is not a good reason to stay together. Longevity alone is not a sign of a successful relationship. A divorce is, by definition, a successful end to a marriage. It all depends on how you look at it. Neither marriage nor divorce are good or bad per se.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 09:25 AM
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Anyone who posts about herself that "she isn’t easy , she’s worth the wait, the whole shebang" clearly has low self-esteem and is trying to lie to herself, make herself believe, that she is something she is not. It is quite pathetic. It is so obvious to every who sees it, I wonder how people can be so immoral in encouraging them to think that way. A true friend would tell her the hard truth and offer her concrete steps to change the direction of her life rather than false comfort and platitudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 08:37 AM
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Another way of looking at it is that people with a promiscuous past have an abundance mindset and are less likely to settle for mutually dissatisfying or abusive relationships: hence the higher divorce rate. If your assumption is that divorce is always negative, you may accept many even worse negatives to prevent it from happening. If you see divorce simply as a stage in a relationship, just like marriage, it can be positive or negative depending on the exact circumstances. In addition, we have …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 08:32 AM
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I would do so in only in a very specific circumstance: she is worried when I driving home late at night, or needs to know when I am arriving. But in any everyday situation: absolutely not. I am not answerable to my partner for what I do and where I am every second of the day. Such information is more likely to lead to suspicion and trouble than making a blanket refusal to provide it. For the same reason I would not give her access to my phone or e-mail. I don't do things I consider to be wrong. …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 09:18 PM
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I have. I have also seen graphs of average incomes and the percentage of income spent on mortgage repayments. Deduct that from income and, with increased salaries (including employer benefits such as retirement and health, which have increased even faster than salaries), you find that people have more money to spend while paying a higher percentage of their income on housing. That means we have a higher standard of living than previous generations. It is only natural that the amount people are w…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 09:13 PM
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Both are free, or next to free, in most of the rich world
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 03:50 PM
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Exactly. Location really does matter. Where I live you need 20% deposit +10% tax. And still over 80% of people end up buying their own home eventually. I know an immigrant (who I met on Tinder) who recently bought her own home on a salary of 2000 a month. She lives simply, has to do all the decorating herself, uses second-furniture etc., the location isn't great, she can't go out clubbing, but ... she doesn't have to depend on a man and in a few years will be feeling pretty secure.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 12:28 PM
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Then you don't buy the median house as your first home.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 12:21 PM
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They could, but their standard of living was much lower. Today we have so many options for entertainment, fun and consumption, I can understand how people feel about missing out. But in the end it comes down to priorities and compromises.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 11:45 AM
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That's the choice we all have to make. You may be lucky that your ancestors were able to save money. Otherwise you are in the same boat as the rest of us. And better off than most. A lot of those little luxuries are not missed however. If you get in the habit of having breakfast before leaving the house, making your own lunch and dinner, drinking before you go out, etc. you can live well off practically nothing. And when you do get the chance to treat yourself, it feels special. When you do even…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 11:42 AM
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Or a coffee and a pint of beer, 20% fewer articles of clothing, no meals out, cook all food from scratch, no expensive makeup, etc. and you are there. There are so many options. The problem is that some people have a tendency to spend everything they earn and save nothing. It is totally natural and human, but also counterproductive. When you get two people on the same income and one manages to, but the other doesn't, the only difference is spending habits. And that is a personal choice. If you c…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 10:54 AM
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People working in the richest countries in the world, at the wealthiest time in human history, and they still complain: because their expectations have increased faster than their earning power. It is like ugly poor guys who complain they can't get those Instagram girls...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 10:33 AM
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It is not either/or. You can do both, either at different times, or a mix of them all.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 10:06 AM
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Sticks and stones...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 10:05 AM
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Those two jobs together would be fewer hours than the average back then. So you are actually better off.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 10:03 AM
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When my parents bought their first house in the 1970s, interest rates were 15% and the mortage cost around 50% of their income. As you can imagine, the first time I ate out was about the age of 12. We ate meat once or twice a week. I had few clothes and most of them were hand-me-downs. This was not being deprived; it was perfectly normal and happy. Nowadays, save 20 dollars/pounds/euros a day and after 5 years you will have enough money for a deposit on a cheap one-bedroom home in a cheap area a…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 09:46 AM
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Best not to pay attention to attention-seeking gossip.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 05:16 PM
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If you really think your guy's bitter exgirlfriend can give you relationship advice, vetting is the least of your problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 08:01 AM
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Did he mistreat her? Was he violent? No, so such comments are merely scurrilous rumour-spreading. A man may say certain things and behave in a certain way towards a problematic low self-esteem woman in one relationship, and behave completely differently towards an agreeable, high self-esteem woman with robust boundaries in another relationship. Quoting phrases used out of context does not inform the next woman; it actively deceives her with the intention of undermining her relationship and reduc…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 07:51 AM
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They should mind their own business and let people form their relationships free of an ex's bitterness, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 07:23 AM
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Then there is no point engaging in a forum where people discuss different points of view.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 07:13 AM
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Private conversations should be kept private. Sharing them or making them public is a clear sign of very poor character.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 07:12 AM
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I'm speaking from decades of observed and lived experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 07:09 AM
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Leaving doesn't necessarily mean destroying a family. It may simply mean changing the living arrangements while being just as involved (sometimes more) in your children's lives. A lot of families in which the parents have split up are far better environments for the kids than most couples who live in the same home.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 06:28 AM
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I'm not so pessimistic myself. Things always seem to work out for the best.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 09:58 PM
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I'm not 6ft and not wealthy and I've never had any trouble attracting women. I am ridiculously confident though. And also very outcome-independent. And optimistic. So different personalities appear to have different advantages and disadvantages.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 09:48 PM
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And many characteristics in addition to physical. It is one of the great advantages of being a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 06:42 PM
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"Hating bad women is not misogynistic" Perhaps. But it is a waste of energy and adds nothing to your life or that of others. Why not focus on how to improve your life and that of those around you? Live and let live.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 08:33 AM
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I know a guy, a bit mentally defective after a car accident (lost most of his memory, which is slowly coming back). A sex worker approached him on the metro and offered him sex in an alleyway for 50 euros. He accepted and off they went. When they got to the alleyway she demanded 50 more and, when he refused, started beating him around the head and kicking him. In the context of such a law, he could not report the assault without risking being prosecuted himself. Full decriminalisation is the bes…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 06:48 AM
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Only a tiny minority of weirdos would attempt to shame someone for not wanting to date a sex worker. You can safely ignore them and get on with your day. The shame, sadly, will always go in the other direction. But there should not be any shame attached to the sexual relationships two adults consensually share.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 11:15 AM
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3 and 4 are definitely not true. In fact, in my experience, it tends to make them more interested in the guy. Women compete for intra-group status.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 09:19 AM
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Why wait for something to happen that may never happen? Take personal responsibility and simply stop being around people if they behave badly. All you need is standards and self-respect and unsuitable people exit your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 03:36 PM
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What's the problem with that? Just be glad it is them, not you. The simps are doing you a favour.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 03:34 PM
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That is the risk with playing hard to get: sometimes people decide it is not worth bothering you or wasting their time. When you play stupid games you get stupid prizes.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 01:18 PM
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Women often like to feel that sex "just happens" because it lessens their responsibility for it. Men can make it seem like it "just happened" by artificially creating the same emotions and contexts that would exist in a totally natural situation. That is part of "game". It does create a significant degree of satisfaction for a man when he has guided the interaction to make sex happen, and the woman tells herself (and her friends) that it "just happened".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 09:21 AM
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Exactly. Bumble and Hinge are the apps you use when you want to pretend to want a relationship in order to have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 09:05 AM
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I love women! I accept that they are as they are, and act accordingly: I enjoy the upsides and protect myself from the downsides. It makes me very happy. But some men wish that women were different; they are doomed to be miserable and bitter. They are like Cnut ordering the tide to go back.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 09:02 AM
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It is easy to test this out: spend a year wearing a wedding ring when you go out and talk to women and see the responses you get.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 08:59 AM
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Yeah, but if they promise payment in exchange for sex but don't pay, that is not rape. The sex was consented to. The wrong is failing to pay for a service. Depending on your jurisdiction, that may or may not be an enforceable contract (as it may be classed as unlawful prostitution).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 08:41 AM
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Nah, that is not rape. Rape occurs when someone does not consent to the act. If you consent to sex because you hope to be able to take advantage of a man financially, you have consented, but you have not been raped: you have been fooled.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 05:35 AM
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And having a man pay for dinner is not going to compensate you for getting AIDS or getting pregnant. Simply use protection and insist on regular testing like all responsible people do.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 05:32 AM
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That does happen, when it is in their nature to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 03:17 PM
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Some of them get really horny, all the way up the day of the birth. And a lot more placid and pleasant to be around. But not everyone is lucky.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 02:38 PM
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Absolutely. Some people, if they didn't have double standards, would not have any standards at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 02:32 PM
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Absolutely! "Fake it till you make it" is simply a form of "learning from experience". You don't get a job by pointing out all your negatives. The same goes for sex and relationships. You make yourself seem better than you are to get what you want and wing it afterwards.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 12:51 PM
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Indeed, every action that a human or other animal has ever committed is natural, by definition. But we don't all have the same nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 12:47 PM
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How ridiculous!!! It was not in the nature of those men to rape you or cheat on you with teenagers. They acted exactly in accordance with their nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 12:28 PM
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Because humans are animals. We act according to our nature; always and without exception.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 11:46 AM
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Same goes for serial monogamy. In fact, anyone who has had more than one sexual partner in their life. In my experience, serial monogamists and cheaters are less likely to get tested and treated, or be forthcoming about results. And less likely to use protection.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 11:36 AM
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People make choices and decisions based mainly on what is in their own interest. Why should a women go out with men she is not attracted to? Why should men not act on their attraction to multiple women? Unless you want to increase the level of unhappiness in the world, just let people get on with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 11:33 AM
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There are men who cut off their own testicles and eat them. Let's not pretend that is common, and neither is sending love letters to child killers. Yes, dark triad traits are more attractive, largely because they are either useful allies to have on your side, or because they are mistaken for virtues such as self-respect and confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 11:17 AM
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If you are not sexually attracted to someone, you can't have a sexual relationship with them, so I would convert the sexual relationship into a friendship. However, women know I am like that, and also that I am not monogamous, so if they want to continue to have a sexual relationship with me, they don't get fat (or act unreasonably, etc.). This is one of the reasons that committing to a life-long monogamous relationship seems crazy to me. It points the incentives in the wrong direction and encou…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 11:04 AM
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A couple of exes of mine have said about me: "he is not a nice man, but he is a good man". They see that as a very positive thing. I think the reason is that it means I am not walkover who will do whatever they want, when they want. On the contrary, if I do something, it is because I want to; otherwise I refuse. However, despite the frustration this may cause, and the teasing etc., I never intentionally hurt someone's feelings and I don't put people down to make myself look/feel better. The trou…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 10:52 AM
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I didn't mean porn. Just magazines aimed at a male readership.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 06:23 AM
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Magazines and newspapers tend to be a reflection of what their readership wants rather than a force that changes their readers' values. If they don't, they don't make money, because their readers will switch to something they prefer. There are so many options that people can freely choose what they want to read. Feminists don't tend to subscribe to non-feminist publications and vice versa, for instance.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 05:22 PM
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On the contrary: Men's magazines show attractive men as having bigger muscles than in women's magazines. And women's magazines show attractive women as being thinner than in men's magazines. These are typical examples of one sex thinking X is attractive to the opposite sex, therefore more of X is more attractive, when in actual fact it is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 01:33 PM
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Good for them. Better to stay single than settle down at that age. The women they are shagging, on the other hand, probably think they are in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 11:05 AM
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I would want to make sure she was maximising her income. Same as if I had a son who was a mercenary or a sportsman.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 06:19 PM
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You can be very feminine and have healthy boundaries, assertiveness and self-respect. That commands repect and makes you less likely to be taken advantage of.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 06:18 PM
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As the photos provided by another commenter below show, she did not look anything like that when she rowed for Ohio State. They probably don't want the splashback from dispensing with her services now because she is fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 05:10 PM
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You have got to be fucking kidding me!!!!! She is huge. Now that is fine if you like that, but Jesus... To me, and anyone I know, she is way beyond the "embarrassing to be seen with" level. More at the "I'm scared she would crush me if she rolled over in the middle of the night" level. The reason Peloton employ her is obvious: to make their obese customers feel wanted. Nothing wrong with that, but let's not pretend it is healthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 05:01 PM
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Well, the fact is, it is not healthy. Nor is it sexy to most (not all) people. Put the two together and most guys don't go near a fat woman except to break a long dry spell or when their judgement is impaired by alcohol. And even then only if their friends won't find out.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 03:47 PM
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I said nothing about feelings not being involved: that is all part of the experience. But, yes, if someone keeps having abusive relationships, they are unlikely to make a non-abusive person happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 11:49 AM
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Neither are people who prioritise commitment (they put concept before the person). Fortunately, most people are nowhere near the two extremes.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 11:47 AM
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Or it may be that she does not want to begin a lifelong relationship just now. Some sexual relationships are short-term fun that either ends with the two people not seeing each other any more, or developing a friendship. If that is a woman's aim then a bad boy may be just the ticket: you can have a lot of fun with such a man and then, when the time comes, not feel guilty about moving on.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 11:29 AM
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That's like telling a woman she is foolish to cry when her hormones make her emotional. You need to understand what testosterone does to a man. We are all controlled by our hormones one way or another.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 06:01 AM
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Why? What could be better?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 03:05 AM
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Don't worry about it. The most important thing is not to overthink it and move on to the next one.
/r/TheRedPill23/06/23 04:31 PM
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Men are addicted to women's bodies from puberty. It is a cross we have to bear...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 11:28 AM
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The concept has always existed: people clearly follow that concept in anything from 19th-century romantic novels to ancient literature. They just use different terms.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 08:58 AM
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Confidence is believing that whatever happens in a situation, you will be able to make sure things turn out ok. So the sources of confidence are varied: experience; competence; ignorance; fantasy; imperviousness to embarassment; extroversion. There are many paths to the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 08:54 AM
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Exactly, blame the drug dealer not the addict.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 08:38 AM
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The problem with questions for women/men is that people dishonestly answer in a way that depicts their sex in a good light, as they feel they are answering on behalf of their sex. A challenge is perhaps a better way to get people to unwittingly reveal their true thought processes.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 05:40 PM
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If there are buyers (some young women who are attracted to older men), why shouldn't they try to sell? All you have to do is say no. Ads are annoying. I do my best to avoid them or shut down salepeople. No-one is forcing anyone to buy an iPhone and no-one is forcing young women to entertain older men's advances (although, in my experience, it is usually the woman approaching, not the man).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 05:36 PM
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It doesn't show that either. It just shows that they tend to pick more handsome men (what else would one have expected?). But it doesn't say anything about being brutally honest about looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 05:26 PM
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The "digusting" part of that appears to suggest that you don't tend to find older men attractive. Which is perfectly fine. The point is that that is no reason to criticise or shame young women who do, or their lovers. It is same as shaming someone for being homosexual or engaging in sexual acts you don't. Each to their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 04:55 PM
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That proves nothing about offline life. It simply shows that a means of meeting, which is focused primarily on photographs, leads to people choosing based on looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 04:45 PM
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But one could also say that about someone you murdered in their sleep: they felt nothing in the act and they feel nothing now. Feelings don't make a good measure of morality.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 10:47 PM
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"Men cannot be really angry without serious legal or social consequences." Actually, some men, by being unreasonably angry and frightening, manage to bully people into getting what they want. It can be effective, which is why some people use it as a tool. And more often than not, they suffer no direct consequences. Both they and Karens are prioritising their wants over others' feelings. They see others as less than them. And they find all too often that people give in to them just to make them g…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 03:33 PM
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I think that is only an issue for the people involved, and no-one outside of the relationship. A couple may have no desire to balance household contributions for many reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 03:26 PM
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Well, obviously, you have to look after your kids. What you don't necessarily need to do is check out all 20 schools in the area, or help them with their homework (really bad idea in my opinion, and I think one of the reasons my kids always get top marks) or prepare an amazing birthday party that reflects more on the parents than the child, etc. If something is not strictly necessary, and your partner doesn't care about it, the fact that you do is your own problem. Same with cleaning and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 02:00 PM
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The biggest issue for me in the "emotional labour" topic is when people take something they want to do but the other party doesn't (remembering relative's birthdays, meeting up with family, organising social events together) and then criticises the other for not helping out. Then it is pure selfishness wrapped up in victimhood.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 10:37 AM
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But not for the person who never existed.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 09:04 AM
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It is either that or never existing. If he had had another child decades earlier, it would not have been the same person. We all owe our existence to our parents having had sex at that exact time in those exact circumstances. The philosopher Parfit has some very interesting things to say on the topic if you are interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 05:23 AM
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He is British. He clearly just had his style and went for it. Got laid a lot. But clearly would have preferred to cut back on the meals and buy more racehorses and sports cars.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 05:22 PM
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My dad, when he was living in the UK, complained about having to buy meals for women when dating. So it is probably a generational thing. I just told him, "Why don't you try not paying and see what happens?" This is one of the main issues with dating: people's own thoughts are what hold them back more than other people's.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 04:43 PM
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Well, we all have to learn sometime. None of the Romanian girls I have slept with had that attitude, probably because they lived abroad.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 04:41 PM
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Improve yourself. Get off online interactions and into the real world ASAP. If she hesitates, she has lost you. Move on to the next one. Focus on meeting people in real life. It seems impossible if you have never done it; when you get used to it, it is easy and a natural part of life. Also: stop comparing yourself with impossible ideals like professional sports players. It is like a woman thinking she will never be loved because she does not look like a supermodel. Women love men. You are a man.…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 07:12 AM
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For most men this is their own fault: they haven't structured their single lives in such a manner as to ensure they get what women get out of the same situation. Since I started treating women the way that women treat men, my life has got so much better. I focus on my own improvement. I channel my finances towards me and my children, not my lovers. I always cultivate options so if my present lover(s) displease me, I can easily move on without my sex life taking a hit. I ensure my life is full of…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 06:52 AM
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The main issue with marriage is that it creates perverse incentives. When you can't leave, or it is difficult to leave, the other party can easily gain control over you with bad behaviour, which you then have to placate to get by day to day. When you don't live together, you can simply stop seeing the person if they misbehave. When a couple does not live together, they tend to have sex every time they meet up and treat each other kindly, as they are happy to see each other and want to keep it go…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 06:47 AM
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It all depends on your personality and your relationship style with your wife. I know that marriage is not for me: my marriage was great; not being married is even better. However, some people love cohabitation, get a lot out of it, and are really good at it. From my observations, if we are brutally honest, it is only in about 10% of married/cohabiting relationships that the two people are actually happier, more developed and better people overall for being together in the medium/long term. Most…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 06:33 AM
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👏👏👏👏👏 So many CMVs here and I think you are the first I've seen who has changed his view. Most people just want an argument, not to learn.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 06:47 PM
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I consider myself single even when I'm in a relationship(s). It simply means I'm not exclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 06:40 PM
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He just enjoys thinking the reason he is not getting laid is not his fault; instead he is among a majority of people who are suffering from the unfairness of life. Misery loves company. Most people just get on with it and live happy lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 05:41 PM
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"Everytime you sexually interact with a woman outside of a committed relationship you drag us all down and promote this toxic dating culture." I'm proud to playing my part. Now every time I shag a woman, I'll congratulate myself on achieving a mission that goes above and beyond myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 05:39 PM
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And attractive guys would still be shagging other men's wives behind their back because they women love a guy who gets it and will make sure they don't get found out. Just as happened pre-sexual revolution.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 05:37 PM
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And not just pregnancy. My hand and ears were killing me after childbirth.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 02:14 PM
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But that is not necessarily the case. As I said, women who have been very attracted to me have had very different sexual responses to me. I'm the same person, doing the same kind of things, so... It is hard to imagine that they weren't attracted, otherwise why would they have been fucking me? It's not like they don't have thousands of other options. And it's not like they can gain resources, money, status or anything else from me other than my body and personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 02:04 PM
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Yeah, true. Some people have very different lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 02:01 PM
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I don't think I know anyone who has had fewer than 12 sexual partners. I mean, that is just being a normal, healthy human being. They all end up in LTRs sooner or later if they want them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 01:26 PM
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Yes. In fact, the women in your example who has sampled more variety is less likely to be stuck in her ways and only able to orgasm from specific, learned techniques.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 01:25 PM
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Isn't the problem here that she and her husband are not particularly sexually compatible? Or maybe he is not a particularly good lover? I mean, putting it down to n-count is a bit weird. --- Speaking from personal experience, most of the women I have been with have high n-counts, just like me. And there is a great variation in how they sexually respond to me. Usually it is pretty great: some women, my favourties, come really easily from PIV. Some can't come that way. Some really open up sexually…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 12:51 PM
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Just say "thank you" and never act like a bitch.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 08:17 AM
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Each to their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 06:51 AM
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Yeah, enjoy it when it happens!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 12:35 PM
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Indeed. It is the most honest, authentic and least transactional form of sexual relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 08:56 AM
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When that formula was invented at the end of the 19th century, it was considered the IDEAL age for marriage, not the maximum age for dating. It is not basic maths, it is pure personal preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 07:42 AM
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Once, twice, three times a lady...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 09:37 PM
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Other men donating sperm doesn't stop you from doing that with as many women as tickle your fancy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 05:01 PM
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It also allows men to continue their genetic line without paying to support a wife or child. It is up to you whether to donate or not. Don't worry, women have sex a lot more often than they get pregnant, so no-one is denying you anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 04:45 PM
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In the US it varies by state. In some cases, if you don't challenge it within a year, you are on the hook for life. It is very easy for you to find out what the law is where you live. And to use a condom.
/r/TheRedPill14/06/23 08:55 AM
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That is the law in most countries, unless you are married, then paternity is presumed. In the latter case, you have a certain time period in which to challenge it in some countries. In others, such as the UK, you can challenge it at any time and pay no child support.
/r/TheRedPill14/06/23 08:40 AM
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God, I miss the days when at least some of the posters here had some life experience, understood women and actually enjoyed them and sex. Some women with high n-counts are crazy. Others just love sex with masculine men. This is demonstrably untrue. It only impairs their ability to bond with lesser men! This may explain your difficulties in this field. Surely the man is the idiot for committing? Again, what are you thinking? Why are you so needy when it comes to relationships? FFS. Just get teste…
/r/TheRedPill14/06/23 08:33 AM
3

The average woman historically, we find attractive. Not the average modern American woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 11:21 PM
27

Or they take what they can get.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 05:32 AM
2

Don't worry I haven't murdered anyone recently. My own perception of my actions matters far more to me than anyone else's: now that's a masculine attitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 07:30 PM
3

If I did it, it would be
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 07:24 PM
-3

That's completely different. You are talking about fear now, not disgust. A very different concept without moralistic overtones. You are also imagining you can read other people's minds.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 03:11 PM
2

A 23-year-old student. Not a 16-year-old.🤣🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 02:12 PM
-3

What is disgusting about it? I get that you don't want to have sex with them. That's fine. We all have our preferences. Do you find it disgusting when lesbians hit on you too?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 02:11 PM
2

But those eyebrows are one of my sexiest features! I think it makes me look like Gandalf or a Japanese demon...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 02:09 PM
1

Explain the power imbalance. He is a fully grown man who can stand for election, kill on behalf of the state, write a will, father children, buy and sell property, adopt children, or get himself castrated if he is so inclined. Why can't he choose who he has sex or a relationship with? Seems like an oddly benign activity to make an exception to.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 02:07 PM
-1

You can be quite sure that all the guy's male friends slap him on the back. And that all his female peers look on with envy. And he doesn't give a shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 02:05 PM
3

Fortunately, as a man, everything I do is masculine by default. If I cry, that's masculine. If I write poetry, that's masculine. And if I suck another man's cock, that's masculine. As it happens, I have only ever done two of those...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 01:59 PM
25

Duh! Aren't we always saying men prioritise looks when it comes to attraction? That is where heterosexual men have an advantage: there are so many other features that inspire attraction in women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 01:53 PM
0

It certainly does. Some people prefer the purity of their ideology to the evidence of their eyes. Which is why I think it is always better to think of feminism as a religion rather than a serious subject for discussion. You can't challenge irrational beliefs head on as people will react emotionally and double down. You can undermine it subtly and indirectly more effectively.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 01:51 PM
14

And gay men find it harder to get relationships. On the other hand, lesbians pair up quickly. They merely confirm all we say about the different tendencies we see in heterosexual men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 11:46 AM
32

Simply look at gay and lesbian relationships to confirm this.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 10:47 AM
6

The overwhelming majority of women have at least a bit of the gold-digger in them. It is totally normal for a woman to excitedly tell her friend about a new guy's amazing house, for example. She is thinking about the lifestyle she could have with him. Totally natural. It looks mercenary to men, because although they can benefit from that if they gain resources, they don't feel attraction in the same way. However, men's primary focus on looks and sex appeal must seem equally undignified to women.…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 10:43 AM
27

If something comes too easily it is hard to value it. So women do tend to appreciate a man who is hard to get. My experience is that of a man who has always been hard to get, as I have never been emotionally needy or rushed into commitment. Yet, at the same time, I find it easy to develop closeness and intimacy quickly. So I am emotionally available, but not available for commitment (as I am emotionally available to other women at the same time). I don't play games like waiting to text, but I of…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 10:15 AM
2

I totally agree. It is even more pernicious than having to put up with his misbehaviour: you end up censoring your own behaviour out of fear of loss of money rather than for the benefit of the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 06:33 AM
21

Yes, if you choose men for their money, you position yourself as an object for purchase. Nothing wrong with that if you both like that kind of thing, but not my style...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 06:13 AM
5

So pay for the date. Make sure she gets back home safe. Wait until she enters the house before you drive off. Or don't pay for the date. Take her home and give her a good shagging. Job done!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 05:37 AM
1

That will almost always be the woman, surely? They are usually the ones pushing for exclusivity/a relationship etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 05:04 PM
19

It is impossible to compile such data, since the decision to have a relationship comes from both parties. What do you consider to be initiating? The first to swipe right? The first to spark a conversation? The first to say "I love you"? The first to say "What are we?"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 04:10 PM
2

No, of course not. But a culture that encourages people to do good things even for bad reasons is more positive than one that encourages people to stick the boot in.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 04:06 PM
2

Why can't you simply separate these different things? A billionaire whose mother just died is both a billionaire (lucky person) and a mourning human being (deserving of empathy) just like anyone else. I once lived in a country during election time when a party leaders' child died. The other parties suspended campaigning for a day. Your opponent is still a human being deserving of empathy and basic human decency. So you can envy women all you like for whatever advantages you think they may have, …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 03:42 PM
2

It is not fertility in itself: it is signs of fertility that are attractive in women (secondary sexual features, a healthy complexion, lack of wrinkles, long healthy hair, etc.). Which is why women dress up and wear makeup to enchance their attractiveness. In men you can add a whole load of other physical features to do with survival/protective ability and social status. They may not make as much sense in the modern world, and it may not be fair, but nature does not care: these are features that…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 03:37 PM
1

Because you have so many other people wanting to chat to you and don't have time. It is totally normal. I use OLD in bursts (on a Sunday or Thursday evening at times I am open to meeting people the following week). It is not unusual for me those evenings to have 10 or 20 matches. You don't get around to talking to everyone so eventually you just have to do a clean out and unmatch them all to start with a clean sheet.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 03:32 PM
0

A man in demand will have a lot of women unmatch because he does not reply to them. And reporting: that is such a blunt tool that it is meaningless. Most reports are done out of spite, not justification. Add in the fact that it is easily gamed (you simply open a new account with new photos) and it is ultimately useless.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 12:11 PM
2

I have had a vasectomy. I want sex not more children.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 12:08 PM
4

I get approached and I'm a predator? WTF!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 12:06 PM
3

Personal experience wins over stats. Me and my friends are often approached by much younger women. They clearly do exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 09:38 AM
0

Sometimes confidence is just getting out of your own head (and putting self-limiting thoughts aside), trying stuff out and seeing if it works. Eventually something does work. You do more of that and bingo! you have a sex life.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 08:25 AM
0

She is in his age range; he doesn't know if he is in hers unless he tries.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 08:22 AM
5

I totally understand. The same thing happens to me when I get unwanted attention from women and gay men. It is one of life's annoyances, but easily dealt with by saying something like, "I'm the kind of boy of who likes to play with girls," or "You are not my type". I do tend to find though, that while the gay men quickly get the message, the women tend to get somewhat obsessive on occasion to the point of having to get other people involved. C'est la vie...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 07:37 AM
1

I dare say. Therefore, they can simply say, "No". Easy!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 07:11 AM
4

Now you are shifting the goalposts: we were talking about sex, not relationships. If there is a power imbalances in such relationships, it tends to favour the woman: she is the most desirable one with the most options, he feels lucky to be chosen. The temptation is to do anything he can to placate her so she won't leave him. Such men often have their lives turned upside own and their financial futures destroyed as a result. But that is their responsibility...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 07:10 AM
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So you don't want to have sex with them. Fine. I don't want to have sex with 90% of women. We all pick and choose our sexual partners. If someone wants to spend time with you, and you don't want to spend time with them, all you have to do is say, "No". But you can't expect people not to try to get the natural, legal and delightful things they want in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 06:52 AM
0

Why? If men did not have that drive, the human species would have died out long ago. All men are attracted to young, fertile women. They are not thinking of their daughters when they are having sex with a young woman, any more than they are thinking of their mothers when they are having sex with an older woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 06:49 AM
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But you can talk your way out of pussy, or simply not get out there and talk in the first place. And good game can speed things along or set you apart from the competition present at that time.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 06:22 AM
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They don't have 0 zero, they have a very good reason: they want to enjoy having sex with you. There is nothing more natural than that. All you have to do is turn them down if you don't want the same thing. As for it being pathetic: considering the odds of success and the high chance of rejection, it requires self-confidence and daring for a man to do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 06:16 AM
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And this prevents such women from having deep, functional relationships (which, likely as not, they blame on men and so become bitter). While some of them grow out of it and learn to reciprocate in relationships, other women have made themselves undatable because everything is all about their needs/wants/emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 05:48 AM
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It is that fear of rejection: they self-reject out of fear of either being rejected straight up in front of their friends or after having sex once or few times and their friends finding out. They know they are not good enough for the hot guys. But they may have sex with them on holiday or another situation when other people won't find out. It is all about protecting their ego and public image.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 05:39 AM
5

I didn't get to have them because I didn't know them. But I slept with a tonne of others. I don't actually see much difference in a woman of 20 or 40. Maybe it's my ageing eyesight🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 06:55 PM
1

What would that tell you?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 06:31 PM
3

Regardless of the merits of the idea: it would be easily gamed. Simply create new profiles if too many matches are turning people off, or create multiple profiles of the opposite sex to give yourself the requisite number of matches.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 06:30 PM
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I disagree: I'm almost 50 and it has never been easier. That may be due to online dating and the time it saves in meeting more people. But my experience is that women tend to have sex much more quickly and have fewer demands after the age of around 30/35. Having kids helps as they naturally can't be so demanding. That is the opposite of what many people say, but it is my experience in my niche.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 06:24 PM
1

The difference between becoming an art teacher on a 20-hour contract and being a respected working artist whose work sells for good money. Or the difference between earning 30 grand and 150 grand a year in an easier job with a more flexible timetable. Working in the factory because you never took that trial for a major club. Becoming a nurse rather than a doctor because the initial training years were shorter. Sometimes you have to put in the work at the start of your career to make the rest pos…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 05:30 AM
1

Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 05:28 AM
2

Of course. You are right that not everyone wants the same thing. That is often forgotten around here.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 07:38 PM
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Smaller problems for you! 🤣 But legal changes require an assessment of the harms and benefits.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 06:36 PM
2

You don't need to lie to sleep with women. It is not as if they ask for commitment, even if some might possibly hope it does. It is very rare for a woman to ask you a direct question in the inital stages of dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 06:18 PM
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The same way a woman's commitment can hold a man back. Plenty of guys turn down that job offer, or this team trial, or that university course abroad because of how it would affect their relationship with a woman. It works the same the other way around. Even if they stay in the same place, it is likely to shrink her potential network of mentors and contacts, as she won't be socialising so much, or not working long hours, etc. They are all fine choices, but better left till you have children if th…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 05:53 PM
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What if she thinks it is someone else's and they only find out after the birth? What if she can't tell him because he may become violent? What if a couple agree to do that so she gets benefits, but afterwards they bring up the child together anyway? What if she doesn't find out she is pregnant until after the abortion time limit? Etc. etc. As a wise man once said, "There is simple solution to every complicated problem, and it is almost invariably the wrong one".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 05:49 PM
1

Tate is not red pilled. He is an insecure, attention-seeking dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 03:08 PM
0

I agree with that in principle. I just think it would be extremely difficult to work out in practice. It creates so many bad incentives that it would create more problems than it solves.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 03:07 PM
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Yeah, people wait far too long to have kids nowadays. I didn't start late myself, but I wanted to start earlier: however, the woman I chose to be the mother of my children was too young and I had to wait a few years. So we both did our thing, lived in different countries, then finally got a family going when we were living in the same city. Young women, in their early 20s, have to choose between finishing their education and starting a family. But I would never advise waiting past the age of 30 …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 03:06 PM
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It is ridiculous to require the father's permission. His decision-making power ended the moment he ejaculated inside her. Once a man has done that, or even accidentally got a woman pregnant, it is all in her hands, as she is the one carrying. Legally such a law would be non-starter: how can you prove who the father is in order to get an injunction to stop an abortion without an invading her body and risking the child's life? However, a man can try talking and persuasion. That is how we handle mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 02:47 PM
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I am happy for my daughter to use any man who is stupid enough to let her do that. 99% of guys will overlook a high n-count, especially when they will never know anyway. What I advise her is what her grandfather advised her mother: earn your own money, choose your own path and never depend on a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 02:42 PM
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Well, my daughter would never ask such a basic question. But if a girl did ask me, I'd say, "He's clearly trying to work out what kind of relationships he wants to have and is considering other people's models as he does not have one of his own. That means you can basically set your own rules for the relationship and he will follow."
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 02:39 PM
2

It is true that some people do. But most people get lazy in relationships and block themselves from reaching their full potential.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 02:36 PM
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No, of course we got laid. We simply didn't become slaves to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 02:35 PM
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When I was growing up, everyone knew it. I mean, all you had to do was look around you. And the older guys always used to tell us "think with your big brain not your little brain".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 10:21 AM
1

So no roleplay? No "you pretend to be your sister and I'll pretend to be your best friend"? A bit of silliness is often a plus when having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 10:19 AM
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Unconditional trust? In a human? That is really setting yourself up to fail...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 10:17 AM
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Shagging women does not make you want to watch porn. They are substitutes rather than complements. It certainly doesn't make me depressed. I come away with a skip in my step. Who would think to learn about sex from a porn star? It is like asking an actor who plays a doctor about medicine. In any case: first you say it is destroying society, then you say it is detrimental to individuals. Oh, that's because you have no real argument, just a prejudice. Me shagging whoever I feel like shagging does …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 10:16 AM
2

There is no pleasing some people🤣🤣🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 10:12 AM
1

Depends how you describe it. If it were just that it would be odd. However, describe it to your lover with rich, deep emotion (if the topic ever arises) and you will find women find the idea delightful. It is like being treated as a goddess. It is certainly a lot better (to most, not all, women) than telling them you were just my fucktoy for the night.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 09:35 AM
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"broken households"🤣 What? Are we back in the 1950s? In my family everyone in the last two generations is divorced/unmarried with kids. Fun fact: their families work wonderfully well, happier even than most families who all live together. You don't need to make up rules about other people's sexuality to make a happy society. And you don't need to be married or live together to be excellent parents. But if you are not the kind of person who can do that, better to stay married.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 09:32 AM
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I call it connecting with my spiritual side🤣 There is no doubt that I am a bit weird, but it is a kind of weirdness that some women find very attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 09:12 AM
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What does any of that have to do with society?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 09:06 AM
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Well, they do tend to tell me everything. We like talking about our hobbies, women being one of them. I can assure you that none of us have problems with disrespect from women: such women are either never allowed to enter our lives, or exit at the first sign of that. An abundance attitude allows you not to put up with stupid shit, as there is always someone kinder around the corner.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 07:50 AM
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In what way? Looking out the window at the blue sky, I don't get the impression it is about to fall on our heads any time soon.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 07:31 AM
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Yeah, so the onus is on guys not to let that happen. Maintain your independence and aims in life and only begin to commit when a woman truly adds to your life in a way that her absence wouldn't. Unfortunately, most guys end up getting led around by their dicks.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 07:30 AM
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Er, no. It describes most of the guys I know. Barring the odd dry patch of a few weeks, I don't know any guy who struggles to meet and have sex with women. The rest are married or living with a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 07:28 AM
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You are confusing socially successful with sexually successful. A man who has success with women without the status cheat code is very different.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 07:19 AM
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I love casual sex: it is life-affirming, gives you a positive view of the opposite sex, it is personally validating (it makes you feel like you exist and makes you feel young), plus you get all the physiological and emotional benefits of sex. When I have a one-night stand, though my focus is on her as an individual, since I don't know her well, the sensation I get is that I am having sex not so much with her as with the concept of "womankind". The sex I have with her is an expression of my love …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 07:15 AM
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My teenage daughter and teenage son both brought up Andew Tate before I had even heard of him. I looked into him and agreed with their view that he is an insecure, sociopathic twat. They can see the example set by their parents: it took us years to consider committing to one another, during which time we saw other people and lived separately, sometimes in different countries. Eventually, we came together to have children. Later on we divorced completely amicably and coparent without any problems…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 05:58 AM
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Young women would be stupid to seek commitment from young men. There is so much else to do at that point in life that seeking commitment from a man could only hold her back.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 05:49 AM
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Fortunately, my daughter of that age is not an idiot. You don't think they have been thinking about how to navigate sexual relationships for years before boys even realised girls exist? Knowing that about a guy simply means she knows better how to manipulate him and get what she wants from the relationship. She has so many wonderful, interesting and challenging things going on in her life that boys are just the cherry on top, not the focus. She does not need to look to boys for love, as she is a…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 05:47 AM
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I think polygamy was likely an invention of women as much as men: since men tended to die off much younger (males were more likely to die in the first years of life, then through fighting and misadventure), monogamy would have forced many women to forgo procreation. It only levelled out when women died in childbirth.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 06:46 PM
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We still don't actually know if people can be born homosexual. No-one actually knows the balance of nature and nuture with that one, but we have all decided it is just easier to think "they were born that way". That is a very recent change in public attitudes that is not actually based on evidence either way. Still, it is a hell of a lot better than gay-bashing and shaming people for their sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 06:42 PM
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Tell that to swingers and other non-monogamists. There were many tribes in recorded history who did not know that sex caused pregnancy (hard to know when everyone is shagging). And other tribes that encouraged women to have sex with multiple men during pregnancy so that the baby would gain one man's strength, another man's humour and another's man's intelligence. You are thinking of more modern times, so it is a cultural aspect.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 06:32 PM
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That's right. There is also regression towards the mean. Two very short people will tend to have children closer to the mean, rather than shorter. And two very tall people will tend to have children closer to the mean, rather than taller. There is also the factor that in some environments, the scrawniest guys are more likely to survive than the most muscly, and humans have faced many extreme environmental events in the past. Also, even if only the most beautiful people procreated in a generation…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 06:22 PM
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Being upfront about everything in advance is not how human relationships work. We are not robots.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 03:24 PM
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That doesn't mean it was worth it. It means I am capable of coming out better on the other side of adversity. A lot of people grow up and become better people when one of their parents dies. Doesn't make it worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 12:08 PM
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On that level I totally agree with you. I learned a hell of lot through getting divorced, which has made me a better person than I was (though, of course, that comes with the opportunity cost of not being the man I would have been, had I not married - but that is unknowable). However, I was fortunate to divorce in a jurisdiction in which people's property and earnings are kept separate during marriage, so there is little to fight about during divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 09:55 AM
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The study you quote is not entirely heartening: A Massachusetts study examined 2,100 fathers who asked for custody and pushed aggressively to win it. That is lawyer-speak for "give us your money instead of spending it on your family's future". The result: a worse relationship between the parents and pain for the child. Many men would prefer to not to "push aggressively" for that reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 09:45 AM
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Why do parents make such a fuss about lukaemia, when over 90% of kids survive it these days? The answer is the same: the risk is unacceptably high and the process of surviving and recovering is painful. We would prefer not to have to go through that. Even if a man bounces back financially, he has still been set back considerably compared with if he had not got married.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 09:40 AM
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I don't believe hook up culture is a real thing. Humans have always been promiscuous and non-monogamous to differing degrees. Your grandparents' generation simply exercised greater discretion. Victorian times were notorious for being publicly prudish and slutty in private. You can go further back and read plenty of 18th-century novels that celebrated promiscuity. Read texts from the Middle Ages and you will find that there was loads of extra-marital shagging going on. And don't even get me start…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 08:34 AM
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""Cougars" "hunt" for "young stud" purely for sex - beyond predatory but society says it is more than OK." It is ok. It is certainly not predatory, any more than a man seeking out women for sex is predatory. It is only predatory if the sex is non-consensual. Some people have hang-ups about sex and see it as something dirty, humiliating, as taking something from someone, but it is simply two people doing something they want to do together.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 01:00 PM
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"Globalism is an anomaly. It did not exist before WWII." You can't seriously believe that is true! Have you never heard of the various European empires and the massive increase in global trade they brought about? By 1913 the value of exported goods as a share of global GDP was 14%. In 1945 it was just 5%, and by 1970 it had grown to only 9%. "And the only reason it existed after was due to the US being a sole superpower of the seas." It was simply taking over the role vacated by the European emp…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 09:04 AM
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It all depends on how you go about it. Some women are looking for a father for their child (and sometimes for themselves too!) and that is not for me. I have my own kids and that's enough parenting for me. Other guys would be into that, but I am not. Other women want you to be the guy who they have fun with and who gives them respite from their family life, distracting/entertaining them and giving them a chance to be a woman, not just a mother and a worker. That is a role I can fit into. Mixing …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 07:03 AM
3

Yeah, but magazines and newspapers were EVERYWHERE.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 02:01 PM
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I can't agree: it is like saying that in the 40s/50s/60s you didn't stand a chance unless you looked like a film star. People appreciate good-looking people on social media, they lust after and desire them but, like always, they have relationships with the best they can get that is available to them. As always, some people hold out too long and miss the boat, just as they always have done, and others are never satisfied.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 01:32 PM
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I have a daughter who is on the cusp of becoming an adult. I have brought her, and my son, up to think for themselves. I can't be there to help them make decisions at the moments they need to make them, so part of my job as a father has been to encourage them to think before acting and form their own opinions and values. It doesn't matter if they are the same as mine; what matters is that they actively think and know why they make the decisions they make. Add in a healthy dose of self-esteem, fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 05:58 AM
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I've never seen a woman act like a feminist when she is shagging me.
/r/TheRedPill28/05/23 07:15 PM
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You can either accept that, or find another way of making money. There is nothing wrong with living off little in the profession of your choice. I did it for many years. Never stopped me getting laid. And made me very happy and fulfilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 07:23 PM
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Again, not true. The percentage of single member households in 1960 was 6%. Now it is over 37%. https://www.statista.com/statistics/242022/number-of-single-person-households-in-the-us/
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 07:04 PM
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If you choose to live at the same level as someone in the 1960s, you will have plenty of spare cash. But you won't be able to comment on here unless you go to a library, as you won't have a mobile phone, a pc or even a colour TV. You will have to make your own meals from scratch with basic ingredients (pork will be your main meat, one or twice a week). The fact we don't feel better off, does not mean we are not. You may be relatively worse off than your neighbours, in your chosen career, than yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 07:01 PM
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If you live in the USA, that is completely false: "In the 1890-1940 period, the homeownership rate fluctuated in the 43- to 48-percent range. During the 1940-1960 period, the homeownership rate rose by over 18 percentage points, from 43.6 to 61.9 percent. Since 1960 the homeownership rate has remained in the 61- to 65-percent range." https://www.huduser.gov/periodicals/ushmc/summer94/summer94.html "In 2022, the proportion of households which are occupied by owners stood at 65.9 percent." https:/…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 06:55 PM
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If you lived with the same standard of living as the average wage gave you 60 years ago, with the average wage of today, you would be able to save most of your income.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 06:20 PM
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You don't need to be super anything to be manipulated; simply have something someone wants. It is perfectly normal for a man to desire a woman and vice versa. But a man's desire is no more ignoble than a woman's. The other things you mention are irrelevant. And two of the three are more likely to happen to men than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 07:27 PM
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Is this any different to a woman desiring a man for his money, social status or achievements? We often find that unpleasant or annoying. Sometimes we use it to get what we want or just brush it off. It is the women who don't get lusted after, or the men viewed as losers, who have the problem. That stops them from getting what they want. Being annoyed by attention from the opposite sex, while understandable, is just the other side of the coin of privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 04:56 PM
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I was with a group of women very recently, who were a bit drunk and discussing that one of them was going out with a widower. After finding out she died of cancer, and he stayed with her to the end, one of them said, "That's really good because it means he can still love you even after you have lost your looks."🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 07:16 AM
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"atomization and alienation, toxic masculinity, mental disorders, amplification of FOMO produced by consumerism, porn culture, careerism (stress from career and relocation of jobs), poor upbringing, bad experience with romance, and pressure from media" None of these apply to me. Sometimes I simply feel like having sex with someone, but am not interested in having a relationship with them beyond that. I have had a vasectomy so no pregnancy risk. I use condoms to massively decrease the STD risk. A…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 06:49 AM
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"Frame" is having a mind of your own and only doing things you want to do. When someone decides to have sex with you, their reward is sex. You both get the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 06:39 AM
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It's her way of saying "IT'S OVER!". Thanks, love...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 10:00 PM
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So imagine what it is like to be a young woman, knowing that you will be valued primarily for your looks, at least initially. You would likely become very insecure about your looks, defensive, and humiliated if rejected. This is one reason women admire confidence in men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 02:34 PM
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I think you are talking about young women who haven't learned social graces yet, or older women subsumed in solipsism who never will. They to be very anxious, insecure -neurotic, basically- so they lash out to project their feelings outwards, onto you if you happen to be the unlucky guy at that moment. You probably need to grow a thicker skin, a stronger backbone, and learn not to give a shit. Then find the people who are worth giving a shit about.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 02:16 PM
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I have certainly found sex to improve over time with intimacy in some cases when, due to shyness and caution, we have held back somewhat at the beginning, despite having sex. People sometimes mistake sexual compatibility for the excitement that comes from limerance or even just a good night out on the town and plenty of alcohol. The truest test of compatibility is time. Some women who are very sexual, and fun to have sex with initially, become very lazy or avoidant over time: it is the thrill of…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 12:04 PM
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Your sex life alone...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 10:12 AM
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Unknown to me, she arranged to meet me in bar, where she was in a group that included an ex-boyfriend and her current boyfriend. She switched to a different language when she spoke to me so they couldn't understand what we were saying. After they left, she took the bouncer's phone number, went dancing with me, and then fell asleep (snoring) on my lap at home, just after I had taken her bra off and was massaging her back. I carried her to bed, took off her high-heels, and let her sleep it off til…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 09:21 AM
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Or just normal human beings. We all appreciate beauty.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 09:11 AM
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Sexual relations are a physical activity, so it makes sense that your physique matters. Just as it does for playing cricket or basketball. So a bit of physical training is only to be expected if you want to please your sexual partners. But your sex life does not define who you are as a person; that is a completely different thing. Once you decouple sex and love (but enjoy it when they coincide), you can enjoy both sex and love more.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 09:10 AM
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It is an odd country that does not allow an unmarried partner to visit them in hospital. That does not happen where I live. I know because I have done it many times. They ask you, "Are you her partner, or something like that?" And you reply "Something like that" and in you go. As for making medical decisions: it makes more sense to give power of attorney to someone you trust for that kind of thing. And after a long relationship a husband/wife or other relative may well have an incentive to act a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 06:15 AM
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It is a way of convincing a reticent man to tie the knot: downplay the consequences of the action so it looks like he is being petty.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 06:11 AM
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Just like some people find it easier to open up to a stranger on a plane than their best friends: the stakes are so much lower.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 06:06 AM
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You are 18. So you probably have no idea how many amazing women you are going to meet in the next 40 years. Leave, follow your plan, and when you are my age you probably won't even remember her name. Or stay and regret not having done what you wanted in life.
/r/TheRedPill24/05/23 09:25 PM
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The t-shirt example is a good one. If she acts like that in that situation, imagine what would happen when the shit hits the fan. Better to walk away and spend your time with reasonable people who don't think the world revolves around them. Those relationships are so much better.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 09:16 PM
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I'm not from USA but I think you may be: "Americans are increasingly forgoing or delaying marriage — a dramatic shift from societal norms a generation ago. By the numbers: Over the last 50 years, the marriage rate in the U.S. has dropped by nearly 60%." https://www.axios.com/2023/02/25/marriage-declining-single-dating-taxes-relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 08:13 PM
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I'm sure a lot do. Just like we so often hear feminists say there would be no wars if women were in charge. People simply like to think that they (and the group they associate themselves with) are somewhat superior to everyone else. Which is nonsense of course: I'm the only one who is better than everyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 07:58 AM
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The reason for that focus is to snap men out of the "women are wonderful" effect and consider their own interests to prevent them from getting used in relationships. People often overlook how men become "bewitched" by women they are attracted to and end up doing stupid things and making inadvisable commitments just because they are having sex or are offered the prospect of sex. Obviously, some people take this way too far and it just becomes a confirmation and enhancer of their own misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 06:18 AM
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According to Steven Pinker in Enlightenment Now: "Violence against women is best measured by victimization surveys, because they circumvent the problem of underreporting to the police; these instruments show that rates of rape and violence against wives and girlfriends have been sinking for decades and are now at a quarter or less of their peaks in the past." So your answer would be modern liberal democracies. A 75% decrease in violence against women over the course of several decades.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 06:03 AM
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Long-term monogamy and cohabitation has pluses and minuses, so if one of the pluses is removed (financial support/security), there will undoubtedly be less of an incentive for it. This is a good thing, because it means fewer people will stay together in unhappy relationships largely because they can't afford to part. That makes it worse for providers who have little else to offer and few options, or insecure people, or the emotionally needy. They need to find other ways (improving their fitness/…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 05:56 AM
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I don't play stupid games, because I don't want to win stupid prizes. I always reply to everyone as soon as I can, which might mean immediately or several hours later or the next day, depending on how busy I am, what I am doing (I don't tend to look at my phone when I am in company) and whether I can give a firm answer yet (my timetable can get a bit complicated). I always prefer to give a firm answer to meeting up (a time and place) rather than a vague "let's meet up sometime this week". Howeve…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 05:50 AM
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Narcissists are among the worst of the worst. They are like human whirlwinds destroying the lives of those around them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 05:45 AM
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According to Google: "Getting a sex worker to spend time with you costs only 20-50 euros, depending on location and time of the day or night. Prostitutes can be found in brothels, in lined up booths or tents, and on the streets." For that price I imagine you need to bring your own condom and pay for your own STD test.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 06:14 PM
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The sample size was 86 people and the question could easily be misread as "would you have sexual intercourse with a woman if nobody would ever know and there wouldn’t be any consequences?". Also, lots of people give stupid answers to stupid questions in an anonymous survey. Hardly cutting-edge social science.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 06:11 PM
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I think it depends on your ethnicity and what area you are in.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 06:08 PM
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I have small hands. And I like to be able to breathe when she is on top.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 06:04 PM
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Because nothing is sexier. Also, 20 cm shorter than me. But I'm open to being somewhat flexible, depending on how long it has been since I last had sex🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 04:07 PM
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I consider myself to be well above average. However, I think most people consider me to be merely above average and a bit of an arrogant prick.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 03:25 PM
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Medium tits, tiny arse.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 03:22 PM
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What makes a healthy society? I can't think of any healthier than modern Western liberal democracies.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 02:42 PM
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It is not even just one study: it has been replicated in cultures all over the world with very similar results.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 02:40 PM
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If you are that way inclined. I say live and let live.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 01:54 PM
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Sadly, some people have to do it: poor people. Then everyone has to contribute as soon as they can.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 01:53 PM
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Men aren't wifing up women 20-30 years younger than them mainly because most men of that age cannot get young women; and secondarily because they realise marriage would be a great risk for them because of the disparity in wealth and earnings.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 01:49 PM
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Perhaps they are not the same men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 01:46 PM
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Surely they can make that decision themselves, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 01:43 PM
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Yeah, that's what I mean. If they finish education and start work, they can either live with friends or me, but in either case, they will have to get used to the value of money.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 01:05 PM
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I can't speak for the USA, but in Europe most women would not describe themselves as feminists: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47006912 "So it is perhaps unexpected that the identity "feminist" has not gained more popularity among young women in the Western world. In the UK there has been a small increase in the number of women who identify as such. A 2018 YouGov poll found that 34% of women in the UK said "yes" when asked whether they were a feminist, up from 27% in 2013. It's a similar p…
/r/TheRedPill23/05/23 11:33 AM
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Clearly he is looking for something in a wife beyond mere sexual attractiveness: someone who can accompany him, understand what he is working to achieve, entertain at dinners, etc. And also not be a pain in the arse, constantly wanting to fly off to distant places, drink a lot, stay out late, meet all the cool kids, etc. Of course, if he has a high sex drive, he has the status to meet young women to have sex with when he wants to or the resources to pay for mistresses/sex workers. The person you…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 06:59 AM
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No. I do what I need to do to create the life I want and be who I want to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 06:47 PM
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Yeah, what a nightmare...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 05:18 PM
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Or, in other words, you have to pay a higher price to get sex (in terms of investment in a relationship) than you would if made yourself more sexually attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 12:28 PM
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What's the point of working hard at a job that is not your dream occupation? To earn the money to get/do the things you want. What's the point of training harder? To win the game you like to play. You adjust yourself to make yourself more attractive to get what you want: sex, companionship, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 12:27 PM
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"She left me on unread for weeks at a time during the minimal amount of conversing that we did afterwards." Lack of communication, in this case, is expressing a desire for no communication.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 12:24 PM
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I don't think either of those statements are true. Most couples move in together to see how it goes.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 12:18 PM
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I think boomers would be more likely to be dead or (great)grandparents of teenagers🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 12:14 PM
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When I lived with with my mother, I paid her rent and expenses. I have already told my teenage children that if they continue to live with me after they have completed their education, they will have to pay me rent and expenses. I would do exactly the same with a sexual partner or a friend who lived with me. The alternative is to go and live somewhere else, not sponge off those who love you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 10:44 AM
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What people don't tend to appreciate is partners they live with. To some extent you become a tool in their life, not a person, with certain expectations that get taken for granted. For a lover I don't live with: if I cook, pay for meal, help her out with DIY, suggest something to do, play with her kids, listen to her problems or brighten her mood, I receive gratitude and reciprocal kindness in return. For a girlfriend or wife I live with: all those things tend to go unnoticed. They only tend to …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 06:56 AM
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I do self-improvement for the many benefits it provides me, not as a means to a narrowly-defined end (such as getting laid). I intend to keep improving right up to the day I drop dead: the most important aspect of it is the positive mindset it creates. Constant improvement makes my life better right now. Ceasing to improve makes my life right now worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 06:50 AM
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The percentage likelihood of divorcing bears no relationship to the percentage chance of having a good long term relationship. Couples get into ruts that they never get out of: the interplay between their personalities. A long-term relationship that brings out one's full potential is extremely rare
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 01:53 AM
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Thankfully, yes. After a few years together, I think most couples would be happier and more fulfilled if they separated. Very few people, perhaps 10%, have the relationship skills required to make a happy and fulfilling long-term cohabiting relationship work.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 05:59 PM
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It has made it a hell of a lot better for outgoing men who don't want to commit. All you have to do is play on the woman's image of herself as modern, capable and free.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 05:40 PM
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Ah, man, just enjoy the fun story!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 05:37 PM
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I guess that could sicken some people. I just assume humans are often like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 05:36 PM
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I am not surprised. I am often in settings where there are lots of women and just me. The things they "confess" to go way beyond anything you hear here. People will say all kinds of things to someone who "understands" them and I come across in person as very understanding and non-judgemental.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 05:35 PM
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Classic FOMO🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 04:16 PM
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I guess he was sickened with envy!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 04:15 PM
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Oof, that's tough! Better to learn that way than after you got married or some such.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 04:14 PM
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I'm sincerely glad it worked out for you!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 04:12 PM
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In that sense, yes, men do have it "worse". The flip side is that it is a lot easier for man whom a woman is attracted to, to have a relationship with her, if that is what he wants, than for a woman to have a relationship with a man who is attracted to her. Whatever either sex tends to prefer is harder for them to get.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 04:09 PM
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Are you still waiting?🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 04:06 PM
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Actually, about 70% of women under 35 could do that. I guess that is the point being made.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 04:05 PM
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And be a great conversationalist!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 04:04 PM
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300 years ago, more than 90% of people worked in agriculture. Today around 1-2% of people do in industrialised countries. All those people are now freed up to do things that were unthinkable before. Actors, physiotherapists, nurses, dog walkers, shrinks, volleyball coaches, you name it. Human desires are limitless, so we will always think of other things to do. Imagine schools with a teacher/student ratio of 1:1. I was actually privileged enough to be taught that way for several years and can sp…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 01:06 PM
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It is like saying Messi only played for Barça because he couldn't handle the pressure of playing for Barnsley on cold, rainy evenings in February. It is simply denial of the fact that universally, in all cultures, men find young women more physically attractive than older women. You don't see large numbers of older men with beautiful younger women, because those women can pick and choose the men they want to be with.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 05:44 AM
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Whoosh!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 07:40 PM
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How would trans people know what orgasm is like for someone of the opposite birth sex? Their bodies are altered to resemble those of the opposite sex, but they lack the sexual organs of the sex they have adopted.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 07:34 PM
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Obviously I know she is not saying that. I'm joking around because anything that prevents a woman from pushing for commitment is a positive for me. However, it won't work in my case, as in recent years the women I have have sex with the most are the kind who prefer not to receive oral sex, so I'm a bit spoilt at the moment.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 11:40 AM
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So what you are saying to men is, don't go down on a woman and she won't push for commitment. 🤣 I'm never going down on a woman again...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 07:09 AM
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People talk to each other. It is totally normal. Approaching need not mean anything other than striking up a conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 07:10 PM
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The physical advantage? Men have that over women at any age. But we are not taking about rape, we are talking about consensual sex (which could be anything thing from an alcohol-fuelled orgy to a monogamous love-match).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 02:52 PM
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That way around is less of a problem? Don't girls mature more quickly than boys? That view can only be held if you see women as having less agency than men. In my case, I was particularly mature and intelligent for my age, and everyone always thought I was significantly older. Fortunately, in middle age, everyone thinks I look younger.🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 02:39 PM
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Once again, I am astounded at agreeing with everything in a comment of yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 02:35 PM
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What could possibly be wrong with having sex with someone in a different life stage? What if you just want to get drunk and have sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 02:17 PM
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When I was 16 (male, still at school), I was dating a 21-year-old (female, working). No-one gave a shit. And why should they when it is completely legal and natural?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 02:14 PM
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How on earth?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 06:39 AM
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I was told, by my mother, pretty much many of the things that TRP says: Girls like you to be confident, interesting and fun. If you start getting lazy, don't be surprised if she has starts having second thoughts. Also, do things because you want to do them, not simply to please other people. Don't give in to manipulation, like a woman crying at you. A man should be in control of his own life, with his own mind and purpose. If your woman asks you to do something once, find some time to do it. But…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 03:13 PM
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I guess it comes down to what you want. Do you want to invest time in reading high-effort, high-quality posts, or waste time reading low-effect reguritation of platitudes? Do you want people to come here and find the high level of discussion appealing, or do you want them to think we are all intellectual cretins?
/r/TheRedPill16/05/23 06:28 AM
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Today we have contraception and DNA tests. So rather than complain about possible injustices, we men can take matters into our own hands, act responsibly and minimise the risks we face.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 12:00 PM
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I imagine some women don't back because they are scared of something even worse happening. If you were raped by a guy twice your size, you yourself may stop struggling so he finishes sooner and doesn't feel the need to cave your skull in.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 11:57 AM
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It is like my teachers used to say to me: "Your essay is great, but your handwriting is atrocious. No-one will read it, as it looks like it was written by someone committed to a mental institution." The same goes for spelling, punctuation and paragraphs, etc. If it looks like the writer has not made an effort, few people will take the effort to read it, no matter how good it may be.
/r/TheRedPill15/05/23 11:51 AM
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Look at what people do: the overwhelming majority of sexual relationships end and people move on to another partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 08:32 AM
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It is not about pretending. It is about having the necessary social skills and emotional intelligence to understand the underlying context so as to choose the option that leads to the best outcome. And it is not about being good. A man who is in love, who tells a woman she is the most beautiful woman in the world, is lying. He is simply responding to his hormones and feelings, he feels it is true but knows it is a lie; and if he is not sufficiently mature, his actions will change when his feelin…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 08:27 AM
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If all men cared about was sexual pleasure, they would have sex with other men. They don't tend to because they are not attracted to them. We don't have a choice as to what we are attracted to. We can choose whether or not we act on that attraction, but the drive remains regardless. We are not descended from monkeys, though monkeys and humans do share a common ancestor. Using that word makes you sound as ignorant as a 19th-century priest mocking Darwin: it is the exact same argument, unchanged s…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 07:54 AM
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Since men are doing exactly that here, it does appear that you are discussing in bad faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 07:47 AM
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It is because so many other aspects tend to factor into whether a woman is attracted to a man, such as social status, wealth, intelligence, etc. Obviously, it is a different balance in every individual, as some women do indeed seek out young men and boys for sex. But it is considered odd because it is rare. Having said that, when I was a teenager, I used to get comments from middle-aged and elderly women, along the lines of "The things I would do to a handsome young man like you, if only I were …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 07:46 AM
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No, you don't think it. But the sperm giver does not carry a baby to term. An 18-year-old's sperm, from a man with less experience at surviving and manipulating the social hierachy, is not more likely to produce healthy, reproducing offspring than a 28-year-old's. A woman can only reproduce in small quantities, and the younger she starts, the more offspring she is able to have in her brief period of fertility. Men who paired up with younger women were more likely to have more descendents, who in…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 07:33 AM
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I like your point about what you would mention in a job interview. Human relationships are not simple exchanges of 100% true or false information. Choosing not to mention certain things, while emphasising others, is the oil that greases the gears of human relationships. It is how we handle others' emotions while seeking objectives and meeting needs, both ours and other people's. (I am not going to tell my current lover that I preferred a previous lover's breasts, even if it is true. There is not…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 07:26 AM
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- Men find 18-year-olds attractive because, unconsciously, they find the superficial markers of health and fertility attractive: youth and beauty. The same goes for younger, sexually mature women. If it were not the case, humanity would have died out long ago. - Sex is not simply a few minutes of pleasure. It is a constant drive that builds and builds and needs an outlet. When a man wants to have sex with a woman, it is not usually because holds her in high esteem or is overwhelmed by rational t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 07:05 AM
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It does matter, because it reveals the level of the OP's thought process. If we can't trust him on something as simple as that, how can we trust him on anything? To make matters even worse, his second quote ("Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.") is also falsely attributed, this time to Einstein. He has falsely quoted a celebrated wit and a highly-respected genius to lend authority to his statemen…
/r/TheRedPill15/05/23 05:47 AM
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And now we are back to ancient Greece.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 09:30 PM
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Mainly my teenage daughter. But that is to be expected, right?🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 09:27 PM
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It would still be an unoriginal thought but, yes, better. The problem now is that we know you have seen an online meme and based a post on it. We can't unsee that.
/r/TheRedPill14/05/23 09:24 PM
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You didn't make the effort to fact check your incorrect title (there is no evidence that Oscar Wilde ever said that) so how can we trust that any deep thought has been put into the rest of your post?
/r/TheRedPill14/05/23 07:54 PM
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Being shorter means you need less food, less material to make your own garments, and no need to pay for extra leg-room on planes. You can buy a shorter bed, a smaller sofa, and have lower ceilings in your home, so you can have more floors in your house. You are also less likely to get injured by low-flying birds, which cuts your hospital bills. Add in the fact that mass-murderers' bullets are less likely to hit you, and you have a longer working life. Add up all the savings and you can buy an ap…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 03:40 PM
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It isn't. Eagerness to avoid personal responsibility, or refusal to accept that life isn't fair, is not the monopoly of either sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 02:00 PM
1

Another way of looking at it, is that religious communities encourage people to stay in unhappy, abusive and failed relationships in which the partners fail to achieve the level of happiness they could if they separated.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 09:46 AM
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It is extremely bad advice to wait. Far better to make mistakes and learn lessons as soon as possible, while improving your appearance and personality. Otherwise, when you get into your 30s, and someone picks you as their backup plan, how will you have the experience not to get taken advantage of?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 07:12 AM
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Actually, that works like a charm for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 07:01 AM
10

This sounds very much like: when men have personalities that make it hard for them to get laid, women are the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 07:00 AM
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with a man of any age pursuing a sexual relationship with an 18-year-old women, provided he leaves her alone when she rejects his advances. Whether it is in his interests is another matter. But what harm is there in giving her the choice?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 06:15 AM
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I don't get this focus on 18 years old being too young to have sex with whomever they want since the age of consent in all the countries I have lived in has been 2, 3 or 4 years lower than that. There do not tend to be many sexual relationships with huge age gaps, as people normally choose sexual partners within a few years at most. You can use that argument about a day not making any difference, and it is true that most jurisdictions allow some leeway when the younger partner is particularly me…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 06:11 AM
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Most people will take what they can get. But, yes, there is often a difference between stated preferences and revealed preferences. We know this is true in all areas of human life, not just sexual relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 05:59 AM
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Or, rather than blame women for your shortcomings, you could choose to take responsibility for your own actions and use contraception or not have sex with women at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 05:39 AM
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Which way it goes will depend on your jurisdiction. Where I live, she would have to go to court, claim the child was mine, present evidence and convince the judge to order a DNA test. The burden of proof (to justify the test) would be on the woman. Unless you were married, then it is naturally assumed the child is yours unless you challenge it. The same would apply if a man claimed a child was his: he would have to go to court to assert his parental rights. There is no imbalance there. However, …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 05:09 PM
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What's wrong with them being in high school? I mean, high school students date each other, so why shouldn't the barman or mechanic who has left school be able to date them too?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 12:28 PM
2

That was initially considered the ideal age for a wife (the concept was first mentioned in a novel at the end of the 19th century), not the minimum respectable age.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 11:09 AM
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Just as well you don't live in Cuba, where the age of consent is 14, Sweden, where it is 15, or England, where it is 16. Is 18 the age of consent in the entire USA?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 11:06 AM
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You can try that. Many, even most, guys can manage to do that. But your ability to get what you want in the sexual marketplace is determined by the value others perceive you as having.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 11:02 AM
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In that case, when a woman claims you are the father but you are not, you can simply get a DNA test. You may have to go through minor court proceedings; she may have to initiate the proceedings; but it is no more than an annoyance. It is quite a different matter when you are married, the child is assumed to be yours, and if you do not challenge it soon enough, you end up having to pay for your wife's lover's child all the way through college. Of course, it depends on your jurisdiction.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 11:01 AM
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I mostly agree with you. People should educate themselves on the consequences of marriage, but tend to blindly leap into it instead. Of course, there are similar risks when you are unmarried, if you live in a jurisdiction that introduces rights for unmarried partners. Then even cohabitation is a risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 06:19 AM
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All that matters, when it comes to men's sexual opportunities, is what women think. On the other side, just because a woman thinks she is a catch, and her friends tell her that, does not mean that men do. And all that matters in that case is what men think.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 06:17 AM
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Unfortunately, that is not entirely true. You can get married in the USA, then get divorced in some jurisdictions in Europe, and be entitled to receive nothing. Or you can get married in those jurisdictions in Europe, and get divorced in the USA, and find you have to hand over half your stuff. It is not the contract you signed, it is the rules that apply in the place where you divorce (or when your wife has decided to go and study in another country, etc.). Or you may find that you remain in the…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 05:56 AM
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That's a totally entitled attitude, if you yourself are not Chad🤣 Some guys have to offer more in some areas (provision, commitment, etc.) than other guys, because they have less to offer in other areas (attraction and arousal).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 05:47 AM
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Men are not responsible for any of those things. However, they can choose to do them. And they may want to do them, especially when they are related to them, in a sexual relationship with them, or in some other way associated with them. Make your own rules. Don't give a shit what society thinks.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 09:32 AM
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It is possible to be lazy in seeking sexual relationships, but to do so you need to have a lot going for you: looks, status, personality, money, etc. And that generally takes some prior work. The same goes for work life: I haven't had a job for a couple of decades and I don't advertise my services. But people constantly come asking me to do work for them. I accept some and turn others down: but I can only do that because I put in the work to acquire the valued skills long ago. What you can't do,…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 08:47 AM
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The overwhelmingly majority of people who have sexual relationships don't get married. So those figures tell us very little.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 10:29 PM
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I agree with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 04:27 PM
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It kind of does. According to Paul: "It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am. But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion." That is pretty much saying it is better to marry for sex than stay single, if you really want sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 11:15 AM
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Such vows may be unreasonable but the good news is they are completely unforceable: they depend entirely on the goodwill of the people involved. What are enforceable are the legal obligations that pertain to marriage in the jurisdiction you are living in. Fun fact about being married: when you move country, or sometimes even to a different region within the same country, the obligations of marriage (and the consequences of divorce) change. To make matters worse, they government can, and sometime…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 06:21 AM
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Yes, all fair points, I think. It is one thing when you are young and inexperienced, quite another when you are older, used to having sex and know what kind of people you like.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 02:02 PM
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Mate-guarding shows insecurity and is inherently unattractive. However, it can be convenient for a certain type of woman. It reveals to her that he has a weakness that she can easily manipulate whenever she wants to.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 05:47 AM
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Personally, I love "ran through whores", as you put it. You keep being angry, and I'll keep getting laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 01:36 PM
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Sex is fun. Best to have it as soon as possible. That way, if the relationship doesn't work out, at least you had some fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 01:34 PM
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If a woman communicated to me that she would only have sex with me if "we were in a relationship and in love", I would end it right then and there. That is probably a very good filter to use on a first date to rule out the kind of guy, like me, you definitely don't want. For me, if it hasn't happened by on the first, second, or possibly third date, it has never been worth the wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 10:33 AM
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You snooze, you lose...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 08:35 AM
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You may feel it does not make sense, but I have both heard women say this is their strategy and seen them act like this. I am often at parties where there are a couple of dozen women and just two or three men. I get to hear their discussions of how they go about getting a man and it is not unusual to hear them say something along the lines of "If I don't really like him, I will have sex with him the first night, because I know the magic won't happen again. But if I know I will want to keep seein…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 05:52 AM
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No, not the USA.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 05:43 PM
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You may wish it to be so, but it is not. A quick Google search will show you this: In England, Wales and Northern Ireland there is no legal property regime between the spouses. Therefore, a marriage has no effect on the patrimonial relations between the spouses. Therefore, the rules of common law must be applied. Scotland has a peculiar legal property regime. In particular, a spouse has the right of occupation ex lege of the house used as a family home even if the other spouse is the only owner …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 05:42 PM
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I have never lived in a country without a social security system that deals with problems like that, so I can't imagine what that must be like.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 04:35 PM
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SAHPs are a very recent invention and certainly not the norm for over 99% of human existence. They became common very recently, lasted a few generations, and are now going out of fashion, except among the most privileged classes. It is not so much that we rely on teachers for babysitting and daycare. We outsource all kinds of work to specialists who can provide a better service/care more efficiently: doctors, bakers, postmen, you name it. But we already have a safety net to prevent people with c…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 04:33 PM
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If your entire social safety net is your spouse, this will be a problem. My ex-wife's late father's advice before she married me was: always work and never rely on a man - you have to be able to look after yourself if you want to live the live the life you want, and if you want to leave. Such a partner will have to do what the single mothers I know do: build a network of people who can help out, or you can pay to help out, when necessary. But joint custody is the norm nowadays anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 03:52 PM
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No, they do what everyone else does: they get a job and pay the rent/mortgage just like they would have if they had not been married.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 03:48 PM
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Every juridiction (including certain regions within countries) has different marriage and divorce laws. In England and Wales, there is actually no principle of community property, and a husband and wife's property is completely separate during marriage. Upon death or divorce, however, the courts follow certain principles with varying results.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 03:44 PM
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Your first study refers ONLY to couples aged over 50, yet you refer to divorce in general. This may have a distorting effect. The higher-earning partner is usually (but not always) the man. If they split their assets 50-50, as is compulsory in some jurisdictions, the higher-earning partner has lost part, sometimes a great deal, of the wealth what they worked for, while the lower-earning partner has gained unearned wealth. Afterwards, the lower-earning partner has a lower household income than be…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 03:25 PM
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Only if you consider your partner's property to belong to you. In the jurisdiction I live in, and many others, a husband and wife's property is completely separate. You even have to pay gift tax on large sums you give to one another.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 03:06 PM
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On the plus side: while a man cannot change his height, it IS possible to learn social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 06:07 AM
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Some people, when you are kind to them, see it as weakness and try to take advantage of you. They see relationships as a zero-sum game. They normally tend to be the low-self-esteem type. Other people, when you are kind to them, reward you with kindness. That makes you both want to be kinder and kinder to one another and creates a virtuous circle. They tend to have high self-esteem with high standards for both you and themselves. In my opinion, the trick is to take small steps in increasing affec…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 05:35 AM
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I totally agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 02:20 PM
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I hear it all the time, simply couched in different language.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 02:19 PM
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And democracy is supposed to be about politicians implementing the will of the majority. And religion is supposed to be about spiritual truth. Just because relationships should be about mutual attraction and cooperation does not that they are, in every aspect, all of the time. In addition, relationships between men and women are often also about gaining resources, gaining access to social status, having children, sexual pleasure, and much else besides.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 01:37 PM
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I think that is a very good point. Women are often less assertive in the workplace (when it comes to negotiating salaries, requesting pay rises, etc.) but very assertive when it comes to getting what they want in their relationships at home. Men are often more assertive in the workplace (and so sometimes manage to negotiate better pay) but do less to protect their interests in their personal relationships. But people only have themselves to blame for their own decisions, not the opposite sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 01:23 PM
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Totally normal for a girl with BPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 02:28 PM
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You don't need to (and can't) become someone you are not. But you do get to choose how you spend your time, what you focus your attention on, how you eat, dress and comport yourself, what you do to expand your mind, practice social skills, and the mindset you approach it all with. That determines the kind of person you will be in the future. We are always changing. It is simply a matter of deciding how we will change based on what we do now.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 02:25 PM
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But if they work, they work. That's all we care about.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 02:23 PM
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I was in the unusual situation once of having to share a bed with an ex-girlfriend when both she and I were married and hadn't seen each other for years. I won't go into the details of the circumstances, but it involved two intercontinental flights, strikes, cancellations and 36 hours without sleeping. And one room left in a hotel. Obviously, I didn't have sex with her. But neither of our partners batted an eyelid when we told then. If you can't trust your partner to that extent, that is a probl…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 01:57 PM
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She is feeling insecure, that is true. The man has basically two choices: Change his plans to soothe her insecurity. It might work, after all such compromises are the bread and butter of many relationships. However, it may have the negative side of feeding her insecurity (his actions show that she was right to feel insecure) and it may cause her to be more controlling in the future, as she sees she can get her way when she is stroppy. Carry on doing what he planned to do. This may make her under…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 01:53 PM
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Duh! If what you are doing is not working, you have to change. You don't have to pretend to be someone else. That puts you on thin ice. You have to change yourself into someone else. And that is perfectly doable to a greater or lesser extent.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 01:48 PM
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"the majority of single 13-39-year-olds say dating is more difficult now than it was in the past" I can see how the 39-year-olds might say that. They dated in the past. But half of that age group clearly have no idea what they are talking about, meaning it tells us more about their feelings than any facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 01:45 PM
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So what is the point here? Is it possibly that, when you are with more beautiful women, it is YOU who act differently?
/r/TheRedPill21/04/23 10:42 AM
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Jesus, why don't you try shagging women with a higher SMV? They don't act any different in terms of interest to the women you have described, when they are into you.
/r/TheRedPill21/04/23 10:20 AM
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Asking people what they like is not the best way of finding out what they like. Observing what they choose will give you a far better idea, and that is what TRP does.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 09:06 AM
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I've been hit on by guys in the street, bookshop, public toilets, you name it. They are everywhere, not just in bars🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 08:52 AM
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I used to live in a street where there was a lot of prostitution. The women saw me leave the house every day, come back for lunch, go to work again, come back again. And they saw me go out and come back with my girlfriend all the time. And still, day after day, they propositioned me. At first it was funny, but eventually it became extremely frustrating to be constantly propositioned and even sexually assaulted in the street. But some guy, sometime, must have finally caved, so it made it worth tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 08:49 AM
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Well, yes, I suppose when they are both of equal desirability a good sense of humour could tip the balance.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 05:14 PM
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Sorry, I understand now
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 05:12 PM
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Average men would be even more slaves to women than they are now.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 04:58 PM
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What I mean is that the humour does not sexually attract, per se. But when you are attracted to someone, you tend to find their humour more humourous than you otherwise would.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 04:54 PM
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Fortunately, they have a different way of looking at it. And clearly want the same kind of relationship. Each to their own, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 04:53 PM
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I think I said something similar to you: humour does not necessarily create attraction; but someone attracted tends to see the humour in someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 04:52 PM
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So the lesson I take from this is, if you want to be good at sex, sleep with women who have been very promiscuous, learn what they have to teach you, and apply it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 04:25 PM
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I'm sorry, my eyesight is as bad as my hearing. It'll happen to you too when you get to my age...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 04:23 PM
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Damn, that makes me and you incompatible...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 04:19 PM
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I'm doing it right now! The fact you can't tell means I'm doing it really well🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 04:16 PM
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Sorry, A, definitely.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 04:16 PM
2

That's the advice I gave to my son: "Women love it when you pretend to listen to them."
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 03:56 PM
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Has sex with me the first time we meet and every time we meet thereafter. Pays her way. Doesn't text very often and especially doesn't expect me to text much. Waits a long time before she says she loves me. Years preferably. Teases and likes being teased. Understands that she is not centre of the world. Understands when it appropriate to consider others' needs before her own. Accepts that I will be having sex with other women, but prefers not to talk about it. If she has sex with other men and f…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 03:54 PM
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When a women is attracted to a man, she tends to find his jokes and conversation amusing (if when they are not particularly to an outside party). So when a woman says she is looking for a guy who can make her laugh, she is usually saying she wants a man who makes her feel like she is happy, having fun and attracted. It is the attraction that makes her laugh; she is not attracted because of the humour.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 03:46 PM
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There are all kinds of reasons, ranging from not being so into the first person to the second person love-bombing them into a relationship they would not normally have chosen, with countless other possibililties in between. People marry on the rebound all the time, even when they broke up their previous relationship. And other couples never marry or live together and stay together forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 03:42 PM
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It is completely untrue to say they are to blame for getting cheated on. That is always 100% on the person who cheats. However, we are all responsible for the choices we make and some of those choices (letting ourselves go, behaving in unacceptable ways, not being careful who we pick, blindly trusting) will increase our chances of getting cheated on. The blame game is pointless in any case. The only way forward for anyone is to take responsibility for their part (even when there is zero blame at…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 03:18 PM
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It is hard to break an age-old habit. Women can't help being attracted to traits they are attracted to. But nowadays, many women don't really care that much about it, provided the man can pay his own way and she does not want to have kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 01:53 PM
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Value can mean many things, but in the sexual marketplace supply and demand apply as in any similar situation. When there is a shortage of women, their market power increases and relationships tend to be more committed and longer term, meaning greater investment by men. When there is shortage of men, their market power increases and relationships tend to be more casual and shorter term, meaning less investment by men. https://money.com/college-gender-ratios-dating-hook-up-culture/ The situation …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 04:03 PM
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According to the French government: Genetic testing is permitted only in the context of legal proceedings with one of the following objectives: Establish or challenge a relationship of parentage ... Can you refuse to submit to a paternity test? A person may refuse to submit to a paternity test. Consent is required to proceed. However, the judge may interpret the refusal as an admission of paternity (or, as the case may be, an admission of non-paternity). Compulsory passage by the judge If you go…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 11:18 AM
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"men consistently score higher on narcissism and have a higher self-esteem than women" Narcissism and high self-esteem are almost complete opposites. The former is a dangerous personality disorder; the latter is a positive trait. "The prototypical grandiose narcissist is characterized by arrogance, superiority, vanity, entitlement, exploitativeness, exhibitionism, and the incessant need for acclaim from others. Those scoring high on measures of self-esteem, however, tend to feel satisfied with t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 10:40 AM
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Value is in the eye of the beholder.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 10:22 AM
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No, not official, but at least then you would know. And then you will know whether it is worth the hassle of applying for a court order or making alternative arrangements, such as moving abroad to a country that allows it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 10:18 AM
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I would say that would make your children suffer more and set a terrible example to them. But you are free to make your own choices, like all of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 10:15 AM
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There is nothing to stop someone in France popping over the border and getting a test done, and, as you say, you can get a court-ordered test in any case, so it is a pretty ineffective law.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 07:46 AM
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What if your husband is physically or emotionally abusive? What if has sex with other men? What if he refuses to work, cook or clean?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 07:43 AM
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Someone's self-image and self-esteem is a problem and responsibility solely for them, not the rest of us. They can take the initiative to stop doing things that are harmful to them (using Instagram and other social media), go to see a psychologist and start spending most of their time living in the real world.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 07:29 AM
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It is about dynamics between men and women, so it doesn't apply to homosexual relationships. I am sure they have plenty of theories of their own to expound. As for the provider issue: it is not uncommon among gay couples. I have a friend who always goes for (and is sought out by) guys who are about 25 years younger than him. They seek provision and security from him; he loves their youth and beauty. But he says that ultimately, they tend to turn into dead-bedroom scenarios and a kind of father-s…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 04:15 PM
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Unless we are all walking around with high-tech contact lenses on, it will mean nothing in the real world. To date someone you have to actually meet them in person. People already use 10-year-old photos of themselves and then get rejected when they meet in person. Most people quickly learn not to waste their and others' time.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 04:11 PM
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To be fair, when a woman bounces from one guy to the next on the basis of superficial features, I have heard her described by other women as shallow too. The only difference in this case is that she is considered stupid for focussing on fantasy rather than substance (and annoying because she is always looking for a shoulder to cry on). They may well also describe her as a "slut" since such a woman may often (rightly) be perceived as a threat to their own relationships. In any case, any guy who i…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 03:27 PM
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The kid would share more like 25% of your DNA on average, within a range of 17% - 34%, the same a grandchild or grandparent. https://customercare.23andme.com/hc/en-us/articles/212170668-Average-Percent-DNA-Shared-Between-Relatives
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 07:26 AM
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The traditional part sounds unpleasant, but soft and feminine: I don't deserve anything, but I easily get together with women like that. They are some of the most pleasant to be around. You can be soft and feminine, but also independent and earn a living.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 01:33 PM
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This is standard stuff. Not even red pill. Basic psychology. Attraction for men and women simply works very differently. I have heard several women say, "I was really attracted to him until I found out what job he does." I have never heard a man say anything of the sort. Resources, social status, achievements, etc. make no difference to sexual attraction for a man. However, they do make a difference when it comes to relationships (but nowhere near as much as they do for women).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 12:27 PM
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I find it no different today to the 1990s, let alone the 2000s. The main difference is if you depend on apps to meet partners: then it will seem like a different world. But if you have an active social life, drink and socialise in the right places, and use apps simply as a way to supplement/expand your options, there has never been a better time to meet women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 11:34 AM
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Being a doctor or street cleaner would make no difference, if he is simply looking for a sexual relationship. Only beauty and sweetness would matter then. I don't think he was implying he was looking for marriage or to found a dynasty.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 11:28 AM
1

I often ask myself the same thing...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 11:26 AM
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But is it love or war? I can't tell...🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 11:25 AM
1

The woman gets genetically superior children.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 11:25 AM
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It makes perfect sense in evolutionary terms. What you have just described is hypergamy. Men who are more likely to walk away are men who have plenty of options: therefore, they are likely to have better genes/higher social status. Women are more likely to mate with them and, if necessary, find another guy to help her raise the kid (if she is not already with one).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 10:15 AM
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Sounds like you took it to heart. Simply unmatch/block and move on. People are just pixels on a screen until you meet in person. The sooner you forget about it, the sooner your mind is free to focus on something/someone better.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 10:12 AM
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What a way to purposefully and ungenerously miss the point!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 10:10 AM
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Of course a man who approaches a woman is thinking primarily of having sex. You can't consider the possibility of a relationship until you get to know someone. You can be sexually attracted in an instant. Women often try to manipulate a man's desire for sex into a relationship; men often try to manipulate a woman's desire for a relationship into sex. Sometimes the two meet somewhere in the middle.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 06:41 AM
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It largely depends on the gender balance within your environment. Studies have been carried out on college campuses with large gender imbalances. In campuses where men vastly outnumber women, sexual relationships tend to be longer term (i.e. relationships). The women are in greater demand, so they are better able to achieve their preference. In this case it is harder for men to get casual sex. In campuses where women vastly outnumber men, sexual relationships tend to be shorter term (i.e. casual…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 06:15 AM
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Where do you buy a woman for £600?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 05:59 AM
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Those figures are simply because men die younger and women tend to marry man who are a bit older than them. There are fewer men than women in the population as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 05:57 AM
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I meet them, talk to them, have sex with them, and, if I enjoy their company, keep seeing them. Same as any other woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 05:53 AM
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Thank you! You just gave a perfect example of what to watch out for.😘
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 12:47 PM
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Not a problem. Most of my lovers are feminists. I am not. Others have been left/right wing; I am neither. Never been a problem. If anything, it makes for an interesting conversation if you are bored. This could be a problem, but can also be kind of cute. It is fine if being with me helps her grow up; but bad if she refuses to. Not a problem, since I won't help her out with money, except for advice on how to handle her finances better if she asks for it. I don't spend money on women. Again, not a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 09:24 AM
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Yeah, but it is only fun because your biology makes it that way🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 09:16 AM
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The thing to remember is that no man can "seduce" a woman who does not want to be seduced. Women who go along with a PUA are likely to be perfectly aware of what is going on. They are simply playing the same game. And when they approach a man, they act similarly. It is just a ritual, a dance, that humans go through in order to copulate.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 08:52 AM
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The main one for me, apart from the two you mention, is lack of malice. If a person actively tries to hurt me, or anyone else, I don't want them around.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 08:46 AM
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When someone says things like that to me, I'm already headed for the door in my heart.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 06:31 PM
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I have been drunk a thousand times and created as many wonderful memories. The bad moments I have had while drunk number less than a couple of dozen. If it doesn't enhance your life, fair enough, don't do it. But for many of us it does.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 06:30 PM
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Because it is a hell of a lot of fun and usually completely safe.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 06:25 PM
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I'm stronger than any baby! They can cry, squirm and complain all they like, but that nappy is getting changed! They soon learn...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 01:58 PM
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Yeah, but some people, when they feel bad for whatever reason, have a tendency to blame the person closest to them at that moment, probably so they don't have to take personal responsibility🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 01:56 PM
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You can get the gist from the chapter titles: What Turns Women On? Scent, Body, Face, Voice, Movement, Personality, and—Yes—Humor The Pleasure of It Sexual Gratification and Orgasm The Thing Called Love An Emotional and Spiritual Connection The Thrill of Conquest From Capturing a Mate to Poaching One Green-Eyed Desire From Guarding a Mate to Trading Up A Sense of Duty When Responsibility or Guilt Calls A Sense of Adventure When Curiosity, Variety—and Mate Evaluation—Beckon Barter and Trade The V…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 01:53 PM
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Changing a nappy takes 2 minutes tops. And you need to do it maybe 5 or 6 times a day. Easy. Laundry: two minutes to stick it in the machine, 5 minutes to put it on the line. Ironing is another matter, but if you hang the clothes properly, it is rarely needed. When I was married, my wife used to complain sometimes about housework. When I got divorced (and I live with my two children), I found that I could put in fewer hours and have a cleaner house. It seems to me that women tend to create more …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 06:33 AM
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That is all well and good, BUT: the guys I know who are most attractive to women, in terms of how easily and often they have sex with them, do not go to the gym and build their muscles. Nor are they taller than average. One thing they do all have in common is that they are not overweight and are extroverted around women. What they don't have is the lack of self-esteem that drives them to get big to get sex. What they do have is a great ability to connect with a woman's emotions and lead the inte…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 06:12 AM
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Some people who always seem to have toxic relationships full of conflict do tend to reject nice, kind people who could have a healthy relationship with them. There are a couple of reasons: one is that, deep down, they have low self-esteem and don't believe they deserve good treatment; another is that they are addicted to conflict, erroneously mistaking it for passion, desire and love. They have a fucked-up model for human relationships, probably because of their upbringing or genes that make per…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 06:04 AM
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I recommend the book Why Women Have Sex: Understanding Sexual Motivations from Adventure to Revenge (and Everything in Between) by Cindy M. Meston. She goes through a couple of hundred reasons why women have sex, according to her research, most of which have nothing to do with attraction. It's a fun read!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 03:14 PM
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My experience is just like his too. If a man is in the position of being an ATM and entertainer, it is because he chooses to be. Probably because he thinks he has to and has never actually tried a different approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 11:51 AM
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Sounds like you dodged a bullet🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 07:24 PM
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There certainly are women like that. But equally, there are women who are not. As a man, you get to choose the kind of women you spend your time with. If a woman expects you to pay for things, simply don't do it. She will either accept your values or move on. You can then find the women who take personal responsibility for their spending and treat you like a human being. You can't make them change. But you can choose not to be with them and instead be with better people.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 01:46 PM
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If you are committing your future, promising to be faithful to them, to bear their children, in sickness and in health, till death us do part, you had better be bloody picky. That is common sense. If you make your own money, don't intend to merge finances, don't intend to have children, and don't intend to live together or buy property together, you don't need to be so picky. That too is common sense. Unless by picky you mean, choosing a man for his superficial qualities (fun, intelligence, beau…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 01:37 PM
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The problem at that age, as a man, is if you don't want any more kids. That is is the reason I had a vasectomy at that age: so many women wanted and tried to have children with me that it was the only safe way to have sex. I already had all the kids I wanted, but could easily have had a couple of dozen more, had I been inclined to.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 12:58 PM
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Try providing an argument rather than a mere denial.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 12:51 PM
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Quite right. A friend of mine needs a penis of a particular size (not too big, not too small) but more importantly of a particular shape. She hates it when men want to wait. She needs to know right away so she doesn't waste her time. 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 12:49 PM
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There is no reason she should be. Men usually marry women who are younger than them. If they don't, at that age, they certainly won't lack for options when the baby-rabies kicks in among their female peers. There is a higher risk of a tiny risk. Really not anything to worry about much more than at any other time in life. The risks and difficulties pale in comparison with those women face at that age, human biology being what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 12:47 PM
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That is not late for a man: it is close to the ideal age for many men. It is only a problem if he wants to have kids with a woman the same age as him.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 12:06 PM
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If man can't (in truth, won't), it is because he does not think highly enough of himself, or is not willing to make the effort to get what he wants. It has nothing to do with simps: simps are wonderful for men, as they can babysit your lover while you have more important things to do. And the contrast between their neediness and thirst, and you, makes them want you so much more. No woman wants a walkover: be a man and leave her if she misbehaves.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 11:59 AM
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It is called having boundaries and not accepting bad behaviour (or simply behaviour you don't like or approve of). It is very difficult to leave a less-than-perfect relationship if you have a scarcity mentality. But once you realise that there are thousands of members of the opposite sex, very near where you live, who would love to be with you, it is very easy to move on if you are not getting what you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 11:54 AM
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Almost all people who are looking for sex are also open to a relationship if, over time, they like the person they are with and see, from experience, that their values align and their lives are enhanced by being together. But for me, starting from the position of wanting a relationship is a very odd way to go about things, and pushes me away, as it makes me think the person is needy and requires someone else to make their life whole. I might have sex with them, or I might deline to avoid hassle …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 11:51 AM
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It is a wonderful position to be in when a woman understands that. She then makes sure she has sex with you as often as possible, which is easy as her sex drive also increases. When a man has no other options, or is emotionally needy and will accept a relationship in which he is not getting all the sex he wants, a woman is naturally less attracted to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 11:04 AM
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I tend to find the opposite: women are always suggesting we meet up, do activities, spend more time together or try to extract commitment far more than I do. They really seem to put a lot of effort into their relationship with me and also with their friends and families. Certainly far more than I ever do, as I don't need such intensity in my relationships. One of the reasons women are more likely to initiate divorce is that that are keenly aware of how a relationship is going. They realised long…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 11:02 AM
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At least what they want is fairly simple and straightforward. Looking for a committed relationship: that is a lot to ask of someone. Personally, I can't imagine using people in that way. If it happens naturally, that is wonderful. But if a person goes actively looking for someone who will commit to them and provide them with financial/emotional security: that to me seems like you are treating them as a tool in your life rather than an autonomous person with their own needs and desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 10:55 AM
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Your argument doesn't make sense to me. If your thesis is true, surely people would previously have been pickier? If relationships are mere leisure, you need not be so picky, as you can be simply chop and change whenever you fancy. If relationships are for life, for starting a family, etc. you need to be extremely picky and cautious.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 10:52 AM
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Or because I make my own rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 09:00 PM
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Yeah, I think it is fair enough to use someone who was trying to find a way to use you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 06:41 PM
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Sadly, yes. But if a person's happiness depends on other people doing what they want, that is usually a recipe for misery. I find a better path is acceptance or avoidance, at least in personal relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 08:47 AM
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🤣🤣 When women are convicted of kidnapping, it is usually their own children that they are kidnapping and usually across state/national borders. It happens when they try to move or go on an extended holiday and return the children late without the father's permission, which would essentially mean taking their children away from him. Fortunately, nowadays, most jurisdictions really clamp down on this. I have two kids, am a man, and am divorced. When I take my children across borders they always ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 08:42 AM
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Each decade of life I have found dating to be easier because the women around me have generally matured. You can get away with a lot of bad behaviour and poor character when you are young and beautiful. As those advantages fade, a woman has to offer other positives to get a relationship. While some can't or won't, most do.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 06:23 AM
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It really depends on the woman. If someone attacks the woman I am with, I will protect her because she is smaller than me. Although, the same would go for a larger male friend: they are my friend and I will come to their aid. It is perhaps a mix of love, pride, honour and possessiveness. However, if the woman starts the fight, she is on her own. I won't enable bad behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 06:20 AM
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Testosterone. It really is that simple. We are slaves to our hormones.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 06:12 AM
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It is perhaps not so much that broke men are ruining dating, as that the men with the earning power they desire don't want them. It is a mismatch between what they want and what they can get: unrealistic expectations for people with of their level of beauty/age/personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 09:23 PM
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Can you imagine the cost and bureaucracy involved for something that might help in only a tiny minority of cases? Most rapists do not have a prior conviction for rape. A determined criminal will simply commit identity theft: a far lesser crime than rape in most jurisdictions. Foreign users may find it impossible to provide the paperwork. People may let their guard down, trusting that a lack of convictions means a lower risk. I appreciate the desire to do something, but I think educating people h…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 08:28 PM
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An assumption of guilt due to having your phone off goes against the legal principles of all US states. 🤣 In any case, do you really trust your government that much?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 10:16 AM
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I'm sorry to say that I don't think you have through all the consequences of such a policy. It would be currently seriously illegal and require a complete overturn of the constitution and the criminal justice system to implement it, in a manner that would make North Korea look like a paragon of freedom.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 09:37 AM
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Numbers are bound to rise when the numbers of people using the apps increase. Apps simply bring people together. Whatever happens afterwards between those people is entirely outside of their control. How do you propose to regulate apps in such a manner as to improve the situation? In practical terms? And how will that make a real improvement over the current situation in which people are already perfectly capable of verifying a person's identity before being alone with them? Should apps be respo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 08:41 AM
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It is not the apps doing the raping, any more than night clubs, book clubs or chess clubs. How could you possibly regulate a tool that brings people together in order to prevent rape?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 08:11 AM
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While it may be practically easier for women to have an unending series of one-night stands, the overwhelming majority of women actually want more than that, and that is harder for them to get. While it may be practically harder for men to have an unending series of one-night stands, they tend to be more emotionally prepared for it. And it is very easy for them to turn such situations into short or longer-term relationships, since that is what women tend to seek. Whatever each sex wants the most…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 08:09 AM
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Traditional courtship encouraged extreme manipulation: it was all about doing whatever you had to do to get past the finishing line (marriage), after which you could do whatever you liked, as the woman was then trapped.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 08:01 AM
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They want other people to validate their life choices. And they keep repeating it in the belief that they might eventually manage to convince themselves. It is something unhappy and insecure people tend to do...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 03:53 PM
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What you say may be true as a general rule, but it is certainly not inevitable. A man can also arrange his life in such a way that those three things are also true for him. I have done it, as first naturally, and then I enhanced it with some thought and effort. Some friends of mine have done it. I dare say most men have never tried it, as they are held back by the misguided sense of morality and decency imposed on them by society and passively accepted.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 03:49 PM
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No, simps make things better for the rest of us. A woman may use a simp, especially when she has just had a breakup and is feeling emotionally needy. But when she is with one, she yearns for a man with self-respect and a mind of his own. Simps make the rest of us look so much better.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 07:25 AM
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If a woman does not want to have sex with me, it makes no difference to how I view her as a person. It may make me think that I would make a better use of my time meeting other women who do want to have sex with me. Or I may understand that she needs to get to know me a bit before doing something so intimate. However, if I sense that she is making me wait, when she actually does want to have sex, so as not to look like a "slut", I simply won't see her again. To me that means she prioritises game…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 05:55 AM
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When a woman starts trying to get me to follow her Instagram, I tell her I find most people who use Instagram superficial. Then they quickly shut up about it. Never stopped me getting laid. Be your own person.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 05:22 AM
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It has nothing to do with trafficking or human rights violations. I know a few women in the sex industry, as friends, and none of them were trafficked. Nor they do they know any who are. They are just self-employed people making a living. They know they can rely on the police to help them out if there is any trouble, and so do their clients.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 08:17 PM
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In Western Europe it is about a quarter of that price or less. Things tend to be more expensive when they are illegal.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 08:13 PM
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Where I live it costs approxiately 4% of the average monthly salary to spend half an hour with a prostitute. I imagine that is negotiable. So money is definitely not the reason. You may not be able to afford it every day, but you could do so a few times a month easily enough. Or you could just stay in bed and have a wank and avoid all the hassle. I think masturbation is the main competitor of prostitution. As for women finding it appalling: they would never know unless the guy were stupid enough…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 09:38 AM
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And they would almost certainly be wrong. Prejudiced people are often wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 09:13 AM
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I've known guys who have visited prostitutes for very good reasons. They wanted to focus on their children, work or caring for elderly parents. They didn't have time or energy to develop a sexual relationship, or didn't want to lie about their circumstances in order to get one. It seems like a reasonable approach to me. In these cases, it is a temporary measure to allow them to focus on higher goals.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 09:12 AM
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Prostitution has been legal (and cheap) in the four countries I have lived in. And it makes no difference to the sexual marketplace. The reason is that most men simply are not interested in sex that impersonal. It does not fulfil their sexual needs. At a personal level, it may work for some guys, by ensuring that their partner does not have monopoly control over your sexuality. But it really does not change much in terms of relationship dynamics in society overall. Certainly not as much as the a…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 09:06 AM
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That's true. Some people definitely start from an easier position. But at a personal level, it is better to focus on your strengths and find a way through, rather than get disheartened simply because others have it better.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 08:50 AM
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Those figures matter a lot if you live in a location with low population density. I have known guys who are normally extremely popular with women, but struggle to meet any in those places. However, if you live in a place with, say, 1 or 2 million women within 45 minutes of your home, even a below average guy can meet more women than he can handle, if he puts in the work and hones his technique.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 07:10 AM
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My experience, and that of my friends who went down the same path, is the same. And no, we are not top-tier guys. It is just like any skill: first you learn how to do it, making mistakes along the way and learning from them, then it becomes second nature. You learn what not to say, how not to act, to increase your chances of having sex. It is very similar to being self-employed: if you can find one client, you can find two. If you can find two, you can find four. And so on... In the end, you nee…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 07:08 AM
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It all comes down to personal preference. I have had longer term relationships with women whose weight has gone up, then back down, over time. I have also had a few hook-ups with women who are a bit overweight, but not many, as I prefer women on the skinny side. Nowadays, I would definitely stop having sex with a lover if she got overweight. However, I have one friend who prefers overweight women. It definitely is a choice, as he has never had trouble sleeping with women. But he tends more towar…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 05:00 PM
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Says who?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 04:54 PM
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Yeah, I guess it may be a class thing: in certain classes women prefer to work, and the couple spends money on cleaners, childcare etc. I can imagine the cleaners and carers then have to go home and clean and care...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 01:37 PM
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In my 50 years of life, I have met very few men who "just go to work and expect you to do everything else". Although, when both partners want that it can work out pretty well. Even when I was a teenager, very, very few families around me in the UK were like that. I think the guys who come on here and talk about wanting a traditional wife, really have no idea of what that would entail.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 12:44 PM
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Men like sex. "Sluts", as you call them, tend to be damn good at creating a sexual ambience, initiating, and doing the deed(s). Not everyone wants to spend their non-working time with an asexual housewife.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 12:41 PM
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Maybe one of the the reasons they moved to Australia was they wanted a different type of man. Maybe the guys find them really hot and pleasant to be around, and that makes them want to be extra nice to them. There is nothing worse than being around a woman with a chip on her shoulder who wants to be treated like a princess, when she doesn't act like one. But when a woman is grateful for what you do and how you treat her, without taking advantage of your kindness, it makes you feel like being ext…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 12:01 PM
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Marriage has nothing to do with it. And in the first world country I was born in, you can legally drink alcohol from the age of 5. But the age of consent does tend to be slightly higher in the USA than in more liberal countries. Studies have shown that people don't actually think about the age of consent deeply. They simply accept the local legal age as acceptable anything below that as wrong. It is easier that way since none of us have the time to consider all the ins and outs of the issue. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 10:50 PM
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The legal age for drinking is 21 in America because there is a large puritanical constituency in the country. The same reason most of the fuss about large age gaps comes from people in the USA rather than countries with a more liberal outlook on sexual relations.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 10:16 PM
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I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 07:07 AM
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I don't think inheritance tax should exist at all. The current system discriminates against anyone whose will differs from what the state defines as a qualifying relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 07:04 AM
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It is one thing bundled in with marriage in some jurisdictions. It is also possible to make such arrangements outside of marriage very simply in many jurisdictions. Marriage involves completely different rights and obligations depending on where you happen to be living. Most people are almost completely unaware of the implications in their own jurisdiction.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 07:03 AM
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I did actually get married, against my principles. But when I got divorced, I was fortunate enough to be living in a country where divorce is very easy and there is nothing to pay one another, as your property is kept separate during marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 06:15 PM
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Unfortunately, I don't have a congressman, and I don't have a right to vote in any country. But I can dream ...
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 05:53 PM
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You can have kids perfectly well without being married or even without living together. Though it does mean you have to be more responsible to make it work well. Still, having kids does tend to cause us to grow up a bit. If we were not most attracted to young women, the species world not have survived. Matt Ridley discusses this point in depth in The Red Queen.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 05:08 PM
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Because in that case your past self has placed an obligation on your present self. And in some cases the state enforces it. You can share your finances without marrying.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 05:00 PM
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It depends on your jurisdiction. Alimony, division of assets that only one partner has earned, etc. Any financial payments that would not have been ordered had the couple been unmarried. Especially when the rules changed between the time of marrying and divorce, or are based on case law or a judge's decision. Not all jurisdictions do this. But some do, notably in English-speaking countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 04:58 PM
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The state could grant those without marriage (some states do). When the state grants married people exceptions to taxation, it is penalising those who do not conform.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 04:52 PM
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In my world people are free to do whatever they want. The things they freely choose to do without obligation or binding commitment reveal who they truly are. When people do things based on a past commitment, not a present desire, they are acting inauthentically. This is good in business and society at large, but not in genuine, close human relationships. Only when we do things because we want to, not because we have to, can we start to talk about love.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 04:49 PM
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But they are not trying to breed with shit! You can't fault a guy for trying. But you can make it clear you are not interested. After all, he doesn't know if you are interested until he makes himself vulnerable and offers you the chance to turn him down.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 04:18 PM
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It is in the four countries I have lived in. But not everywhere is the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 04:16 PM
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That is not love. That is codependence and fear of financial loss.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 04:15 PM
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It's true! It's wonderful how varied humans are.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 04:13 PM
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A formal agreement of monogamy is going to make little difference: people are unfaithful because of feelings, which change over time. They take precedence over past promises, which they felt 10 years ago, but don't now. I think you are probably right that nowadays married couples are more likely to be faithful, as marriage is less common and the kind of people who are more likely to marry are also more likely to truly intend to be faithful. However, in societies where marriage is nigh-on compuls…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 03:49 PM
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Marriage has nothing to do with children. In most countries, you have the same responsibilities towards your children whether you marry or not. It is a contract between the two adults and the state. You may find it hard to believe, but most unmarried people do not leave their "bastard kids running around loose".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 03:43 PM
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Almost everyone loves the person they marry. But most people don't love the person they divorce. All that has happened in between is marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 03:41 PM
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But by giving you those benefits through marriage, your government is actually penalising everyone else. In many countries, marriage does not actually create any of those benefits, as they are available on equal terms to people who are not married. Any legal benefits that accrue to marriage create a more unjust society.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 03:40 PM
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That is not the purpose of marriage these days, as parents are equally reponsible for their children whether or not they are married.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 03:35 PM
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Just like a footballer can leave his club at any time: provided he pays. You are not free to leave when there are unfair financial consequenes to leaving.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 03:34 PM
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By helping to prevent mate poaching, it increases the chances of a man having to look after a child that is not his own. Since a husband is presumed to be the father and is unlikely to get a DNA test, a woman who wants a child with better genes, but a reliable man to look after it, is now in the perfect position.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 03:33 PM
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That is one of the problems with marriage: people in unhappy relationships are less likely to break up than if they were not married. In that sense, it is a system designed to perpetuate unhappiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 03:30 PM
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But not to the mother. Marriage is between the parents not the children.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 03:29 PM
3

If marriage did not exist we could still protect our assets, children and "spouse". The fact that marriage exists as an institution penalises those who do not choose it. For example, by not having the inheritance tax allowances spouses have. The government has rigged the game by imposing penalties on those that do not choose its system.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 03:26 PM
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They can simply do what many of us do: go for youthful and beautiful women in exchange for our wonderful company, personality and body. No need to pay cash for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 03:17 PM
1

The age of consent is 16 where I grew up. I lived with a lover of the opposite sex, 5 years older than me, for 2 years between the ages of 16 and 18. I enjoyed it, she enjoyed it, the entire community accepted it. To claim that I was being taken advantage of or that she was a paedophilic predator is ridiculous. We were just humans doing what humans do.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 03:07 PM
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It is not gross, it is nature. You are old enough to breed, so it should come as no surprise that members of the opposite sex are programmed to try to breed with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 03:02 PM
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Actually, in most relationships I have seen with a large age gap, the older man tends to be less mature than the younger woman. If anyone is getting taking advantage of (and I don't think anyone is, as they mutually benefit), I'm not sure it is the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 03:00 PM
2

That is the oddest justification for prostitution I have ever heard!🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 02:49 PM
4

It is a truly weird thing to say. A bit like saying, "I don't want someone to love me for who I am." 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 02:46 PM
0

Sexual strategy has nothing to do with political leanings: a man could be left-wing, a centrist, right-wing, a nazi, a liberal or an anarchist and: - Be truly monogamous, marry young and have a large family. - Spin plates - Cheat - Have an open marriage with an "arrangement". In fact, it is not hard to find abundant examples of all of these by reading biographies. TRP is not an ideology, a philosophy or a political movement. It is simply an acknowledgement of how sexual dynamics work, based on t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 01:42 PM
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That's your perception. What do you have to back it up apart from feelings?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 11:18 PM
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TRP has nothing to do with politics. Blue pill and red pill have to do with how you see sexual dynamics. You see the clearest examples at the extremes of human behaviour, where most of us never go.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 10:57 PM
3

Living at the best time in history, and you look down and see the mud instead of looking up and seeing stars.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 10:52 PM
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Totally agree
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 06:34 PM
2

When I was a kid, buying a soft drink was an occasional treat. We always drank tap water. Our standard of living was lower. It is possible to save on rent by flat-sharing or living in a less desirable area. It is what poor people everywhere do: they have a lower standard of living.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 04:09 PM
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In that case, they should revolt and eat the rich. Then decide on their own bread production. If the ruling class does not treat people fairly and allow them to meet their needs, they have no right to be the ruling class.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 03:45 PM
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If you lived off 24,000, as you would have had to back then, you would have 30,000 more. When my parents bought their first home, for the following 15 years, they did not eat out ever or go away on holiday. They certainly didn't buy many clothes, devices or other items. Nowadays, we are so used to spending money on all sorts of crap that we have a higher standard of living without even realising or appraciating it. What is considered a normal lifestyle nowadays would have been considered a privi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 03:43 PM
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You could change your biology: freeze your sperm, castrate yourself and make all your decisions with a rational, clear head. However, I wouldn't recommend it, because while sex is stupid, it is one of the most wonderful stupid things one can do.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 03:07 PM
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"In 1980, the median price of houses was $65,000 — the median income at the time was $24,720. Per 2021, it’s 430k (almost 7x as much) for the median price of house and $55,477 for the median income." So you have an extra 30,000 a year, and house prices are 370,000 higher. If you lived with the same standard of living as people back then, you could pay off the mortgage in 13 years. Perhaps in 8 years, if you rented out the spare rooms to your friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 03:02 PM
4

Exactly! A wise man once said that the day you truly become an adult is when you stop blaming your elders for the way your life is.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 02:58 PM
1

On many occasions I have turned sexual relationships with women into friendships because I did not want to have sex with them anymore. There can be all kinds of reasons: even if the sex is great, if they are needy, pushy, believe in the relationship escalator, etc. I find I am simply better off finding other women to have sex with who don't give me so much hassle.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 07:41 AM
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I wouldn't lay too much store someone who can barely express themselves in writing. It does sound like it was written by a 12-year old who missed out on a few key years of schooling.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 12:14 PM
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There are 33.75 million women in the UK. If 2 a women a week are killed by a partner or ex-partner, a woman's chances of dying in that way in any given year is roughly 1 in 360,000. This is simply never going to be an issue for the overwhelming majority of women. For every 2 women murdered, 5 men are. In fact, when a woman kills, she is more likely to kill a woman than a man is. In other words, both sexes are more likely to kill men, but men are less likely to kill women than women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 03:28 PM
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Nah, because a lot of the women are there with that in mind too. It gives everyone involved plausible deniability. I know this because I have been approached by women at such events. Also, in one case a woman got my phone number from someone else and started texting me, then confronted me in front of the group, demanding to know why I was not replying. In another case, a woman learned about the kind of places I went and started showing up there. It is not a big deal: simply get off with someone …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 03:08 PM
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In that case it sounds like a good filter: don't pay for everything and only good ones will stick around.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 06:34 AM
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I have dated a few US women and they have all gone 50-50. Except one, who always insisted on paying almost all the time for everything (even though she was more than 10 years younger than me). Have you actually ever tried dating without insisting on paying? The problem may lie in your expectations rather than hers.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 07:58 PM
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I've dated a few women with PhDs. It makes absolutely no difference to how sexually attracted I am to them. It also does not actually say much about their general intelligence or their ability to hold a conversation. Being the CEO of a small startup implies very little time and very little money, lots of stress and potentially lots of calming her down and helping her relax. That can be good if her way of relieving stress if fucking me; but bad if she needs to be relaxed and in the mood before ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 07:56 PM
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If I go on a date with someone I don't know, I always eat before I leave the house. That way, if she says she wants to leave the bar and go to a restaurant, I tell her I have already eaten but I don't mind talking while she eats. It has only happened two or three times, but it is an easy way of ensuring you don't get subtly manipulated into doing something you don't want to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 07:30 PM
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I guess this is one of those cultural differences. Where I live, it is very unusual to tip a waiter, as they are paid a salary. In the USA, it would be wrong not to tip, as waiters are paid through that system. Where I live, it is very unusual for one person to pay when you go out, as women work, just like men do. In the USA ... hang on women work there too ... I guess they simply want to have their cake and eat it ...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 07:22 PM
1

No, it really doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 09:21 PM
1

Come one! Take a risk! Boost your immune system!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 03:20 PM
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The majority of the time it is used down: 100% of the time by women and perhaps 25% of the time by men. So it makes more sense for the default position to be down in a mixed-sex household. However, if there are more males than females in the household, the situation changes.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 01:06 PM
2

How on earth can you be cuckolded if you are not married?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 01:02 PM
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It goes both ways. If the person you are in a romantic relationship with does not treat you as well as your other options, it is only natural to switch. On the other hand, if the person you are in a romantic relationship with has many other options, you had better treat them well to keep them. You can never truly relax in a romantic relationship. Although inertia, kindness and love do kick in as the relationship gets longer, you never truly "have" someone, even if you are bound by marriage. You …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 06:57 AM
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I don't see how you can live with someone and not have "beta" characteristics to some extent. The relationship changes from two people coming together freely to two people having to adapt to one another so they can tolerate one another, and it creates a practical dependence too. The same is often true of friends who live together too, but to a lesser extent as they don't tend to make the same demands on one another's time, energy and money. The point about sex and babies: it is common for women …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 06:51 AM
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That only applies if his relationship model is one of increasing commitment. A lot of people don't see commitment as a positive thing in itself. Often when people want commitment, they are actually using the person as a tool in their life, not loving them as a person.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 06:39 AM
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Actually, when you are having sex regularly, you may think about it less. When you are not having sex regularly, it can be on your mind all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 05:47 PM
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I would say it is a test of how much of a man you are. If you don't have the balls to reasonably discuss things with your wife who earns the same or more than you, how can she trust you to stand up to others to protect her? Why would you want you want to tell your wife what to do? Why would you live with a woman who does not compromise? You attitude really does seem very odd and self-defeating. Any relationship lived as a power struggle is going to be exhausting and unsatisfying.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 05:09 PM
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I totally get where you are coming from and respect it. However, for me, the fact we could not spend much time together would be a bonus, as it would make it easier for me to spend time with the other women I am seeing.🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 07:06 AM
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I would care very much if I was looking for a wife/mother of my children. In that case I would want a woman who earned at least as much as me. That is, in fact, what I did back in ancient history when I wanted to have children. However, now I have all the children I want and will not cohabit again, a women's career and level of educational attainment matters little in the sense of sexual attraction. I have had, and would again have, relationships with women with low levels of education. The main…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 07:04 AM
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Spain has no fault divorce. In fact, nowadays, basically all divorce is no-fault divorce there. Also, in Spain, when you get married you can choose between sharing your property during marriage or not. In some parts of Spain, separate property is the default. In addition, you can make the equivalent of a legally binding prenup. The system is based on ancient Roman law, where you could do the same. The rules are completely different than in the USA, for example. If you married in another country …
/r/AllPillDebate13/03/23 06:56 AM
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Concern about paternity is the very definition of an insecurity. It is a fear about something you are unsure about. But one that is obsolete in the modern world, if you take responsibility and appropriate action. You are right: we wear seatbelts due to our insecurity about injury and death. We are insecure in cars. That is not an obsolete insecurity. It is a very modern and ever-present one. If a woman is disgusted by short men, she can consider why. She may well come to the realisation that the…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 08:30 AM
0

In my case, great sex, conversation, fun and understanding. And no jealousy, controlling or neediness.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 09:04 AM
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Saying they are repulsed tells us very little. I am a man, and I am not repulsed by promiscuous women. If we are to understand why people behave as they do, we need to know why they are repulsed. I'm suggesting it is because of insecurity about fatherhood, plus additional insecurities that are taught to us, such as STDS.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 07:33 PM
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No, but I am an arrogant dick who thinks, from his experience of people and general superiority complex, that he knows their motivations better than they do. I say "speculatively", because in spite of my high opinion of myself, I cannot truly know. Having said that, it is only by examining our underlying motivations, the ones that we are not immediately conscious of, that we can get a truer understanding of who we really are and what we truly want.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 11:58 AM
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I think you are missing something there: you are saying what people want (not to sleep with multiple people, have casual sex) but not examining the reasons why they want that. I am trying to speculatively address the reasons that inform that way of thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 11:51 AM
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Religion is also an obsolete, learned thing. It is based neither on nature nor rationality, so if a person chooses to go down that path, they have to accept the consequences, one of which will be to needlessly limit their sexuality. Although here too, there is generally insecurity: the fear of punishment in this or the next life.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 11:26 AM
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Deep down, women and men care about n-count, when they do, for a similar visceral reason: insecurity. In broad strokes, he is insecure about paternity; she is insecure about him leaving her for someone else and leaving her holding the baby. That is now basically an obsolete fear in today's world with DNA tests, contraception and child support. Another acquired fear is STDs: that is a modern one, since humans only recently developed the germ theory of disease. And it is basically obsolete too wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 10:59 AM
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There is another way of looking at it. I don't think in terms of probabilities, although it is quite possible that my chances of sex with a woman I talk to are less than 5%. I go out, meet people, act in such a way as to make having sex a possibility, but I don't focus on that. I focus on enjoying myself, having a great time, meeting men and women, and enriching my life. Women subtly, or not so subtly, make their intentions known if they are interested. If I end up having sex, that is great. But…
/r/AllPillDebate10/03/23 07:08 AM
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Then don't date those people. It is almost as if there are two kinds of people in the world: those who go outside and see a world filled with opportunities; and those who stay in and only see obstacles outside.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 07:01 AM
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The species survives solely because men and women are horny.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 03:30 PM
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I simply disagree, based on experience. It may be more of a social thing. People nowadays tend to spend an unnatural amount of time alone, at home. But if you are regularly in situations where lots of women are around, you won't lack for attention as a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 03:27 PM
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I'm not being personal. I'm attacking your ludicrous proposition. Female attention is very far from rare for men. It is extremely common because women, in general, really like men. It may come down to perception: I need very little, so I have too much. Some guys need constant attention, so they feel they have too little.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 02:57 PM
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"Female attention for men is not vital, it is not guaranteed, and it is relatively rare." Most women love being around men. In my entire 50 years of life, I have been surrounded by female attention, and I am not particularly handsome, certainly not wealthy, and don't even have a pleasant personality. The biggest issue is making sure you only let the good ones into your life. It is the same for my friends. Even the distinctly below average ones have never struggled to meet women (they had to put …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 02:50 PM
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What's wrong with putting a pregnant woman in jail? Down the street from me there is a woman's prison. The infants go to day care across the road with the children of non-convicts during the day. Then they go back with their mothers in prison in the late afternoon. Their life really is not that different to a child who sleeps in a flat. Then, once they reach a certain age, if their mothers have not been released yet, they go to live with extended family or foster parents. If we don't do that, we…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 11:22 AM
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🤣🤣🤣‍🤦‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 10:56 AM
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First, Switzerland is not in the EU. Second, you will be unable to name a single occasion on which Russia has invaded the borders of any EU country. Because it has never happened. When you are in a hole, stop digging.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 10:53 AM
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You do realise the EU has a far higher population than the USA right? (444 vs 329 million)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 10:33 AM
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Personally, I would never be a step father to a child either. It would distract me from looking after my own children. Neither would I want a woman to get involved with my children. But most relationships don't involve that: they are simply about enjoying one another's company, having sex and enjoying life.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 10:27 AM
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I just live in a normal modern European democracy, where I am free to live pretty much however I choose. And so are other people. You make your own choices and accept the consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 10:25 AM
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No children of single mothers go around shooting up schools where I live, or in any of the surrounding countries. Yet the levels of single parenthood are higher than in the United States. That makes me think that the problem has less to do with single motherhood and more to do with availability of guns, relative poverty and cultural aspects.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 10:23 AM
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You are claiming that the mental health issues of women are the root of society's problems? Their problems mainly affect themselves and those close to them. Fortunately, it has a barely noticeable effect on the overwhelming majority of people. Instead of blaming other people for the state the world is in, I create my own wonderfully enjoyable world through my own choices. Makes me happy. Others can choose their own paths to happiness or unhappiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 10:07 AM
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Personally, I would be more concerned if a woman I was dating hadn't enjoyed brief liaisons with other guys. To me it would evince a disconnected sexuality or general lack of desire. Or some fucked up attitude towards sex. I like sex, and I like women who like sex. They would not be sexually attracted to me if they were not sexually attracted to other men. As for single mothers: you realise you can date them and have relationships with them without looking after their children or even meeting th…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 10:01 AM
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It always feels fresh to me; every single time is different even if you are technically doing more or less the same thing. I say that as someone who was once married for 15 years. It only starts to feel samey to me when the personal connection is lost; then it just feels like going through the motions.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 12:08 PM
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I have sex every single time I meet up with my lovers. Not doing so is a sign to me that the relationship is on its way out... My style of sex tends to be very intimate and unrushed; but I'll try anything when we are in a mood for that kind of fun. Nowadays I have sex on two or three occasions a week; and a couple of times on each occasion if they stay the night. Two or three times a week is necessary for me to feel normal and healthy. Otherwise I feel mentally distracted and physically like I h…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 12:04 PM
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It becomes a gendered issue because women tend to procreate with men who are older, and therefore earn more, than them. But you are quite right that it is not on the grounds of sex, so there is no discrimination of that kind. It is also worth mentioning that in many countries, if you share custody 50-50, then neither parent has to pay the other anything for child support, only if they live with the child less than 50 of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 08:05 AM
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No. It just goes to show that individuals are individuals.
/r/AllPillDebate07/03/23 11:21 AM
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Nothing wrong with that - we all have feelings. And we all get to choose how we want to act.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 06:56 AM
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I have done the same kind of thing, as have a couple of close friends of mine. But I don't think it is particularly common. Most guys who can do this (which is far higher than the number of guys who think they can) don't do it either out of laziness (or contentment), because they genuinely don't want to or because they think it is wrong in some undefined way (societal programming). I think fewer than 1% of men actually do this at any given time. I consider myself non-monogamous, and my life bear…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 05:08 PM
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My teenage son was going on about this the other day. As I told him: if you fuck a woman and she gets pregnant, you have no say in what happens next, so you are fucked if she doesn't want what you want. Therefore, use a condom, you know where they are... While I have sympathy for men who are manipulated into having a child they do not want (when a woman lies about using birth control, for example) any legal structure we were to use to give a man more choice in what happens next is fraught with o…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:34 PM
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No. For the simple reason that monogamy has never been consistently enforced (or even mandated), in Europe at least. It was often a social ideal, obeyed mainly in the breach, with vast variation between times and places. To the extent that it was enforced, its main results were the creation of many unhappy lifelong relationships, and a large number of men supporting offspring they were genetically unrelated to.
/r/AllPillDebate06/03/23 09:50 AM
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They may be in higher demand, but most of the demand is not present most of the time. You don't need to be the best, simply her best option when is open to the idea. The guy who gets to have sex with the pretty girl at the party is often the only one who actually tried. The other men ruled themselves out from the start.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 07:19 AM
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My experience is that how attractive a woman is does not make the process for a man of getting to sex any easier or more difficult. What does make a difference is how attractive the man is, and how well-practised he is in the art of creating the emotional and practical conditions in which she will desire sex with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 07:17 AM
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It is the case that men tend to put in more work to initiate sexual relationships. However, it is also true that men tend to want sex more quickly, more often and with more sexual partners. So it is only natural, and no great sacrifice, for them to put in that work. A good dog is always hunting, as they say.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 07:13 AM
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Unfortunately, only "an average of 8 to 14 eggs are typically retrieved from a woman’s ovaries with IVF". Which means most of those women will be out of luck based on the figures you have given. Source: https://reproductivehealthwellness.com/what-is-the-average-number-of-eggs-retrieved-during-ivf/
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 07:10 AM
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Google is your friend. It is the case in many European countries (not in the UK) and also in the USA: https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/can-i-be-required-to-pay-child-support-if-the-child-isn-t-mine-46953 "When a child is born to a mother who is married, the law in most states presumes that the husband is the father ... In some states, there is an irrefutable presumption of this. In these states, if a child is born during the marriage, the husband is legally the father even if a DNA test later s…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 05:14 PM
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Charming.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 09:22 AM
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Hear, hear. The difference between a guy of below average handsomeness who gets laid and one who doesn't is mindset: one is positive, the other self-defeating. It is so much easier (and more stupid) to blame the world than make the best of the hand you have been dealt.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 09:18 AM
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You have a choice. You don't have to do, and in my stubborn opinion it is best not to do, what you think you are "supposed" to do. Those are values imposed on you from the outside. You can instead choose to do what you want; construct relationships in the style you want. Women who want something different will drift away; those that are happy to go along with you will stay. Most guys work against their own happiness by thinking, "No, that will never work. Women would never accept that." What the…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 09:13 AM
1

People like to act like prenups are actually valid in most jurisdictions. Unfortunately, they rarely are. In addition, the legal rules and caselaw can bechanged after you signed the prenup, rendering a previously valid prenup invalid.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 08:52 AM
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In many, many jurisdictions, if you are married and don't have a DNA test done in the first year (which most people don't, obviously, as things are going well), you are classed as the father even if the kids are not yours. You have to pay, even if the women takes the kids and goes off to live with the real father.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 08:51 AM
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Back in ancient history, when I was looking to start a family, I had one thing very clear: I didn't want a traditional wife and would not consider any woman who could not earn at least as much as me. I always wanted to be at least as involved in raising my kids as my wife (I love being around children, especially my own), and I didn't want the family finances to depend on just one of us (me) as that created great risk and instability. I also, 20 years ago, insisted on working from home, so I cou…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 08:49 AM
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It is true, we do have that choice. One of the issues with marriage as a legal concept is that the rules change over time. It is an odd situation in which the conditions to a contract can change retrospectively without the parties' knowledge or consent. Hence, it is normally only when people divorce that they finally discover what they signed up for.🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 03:10 PM
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I do exactly that myself. In my experience, almost every woman pushes for marriage or something comparable to marriage at some point. And when I decline, most of them accept that and keep seeing me. I think the reason lots of men either fail to negotiate or fold in the early stages, is because they are thinking with their dick/heart instead of their head. That and a preconceived idea about "doing the right thing".
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 03:08 PM
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Many men believe (and their girlfriends encourage the belief) that they have to marry in order for the relationship to continue. They do it not because they have thought through all the implications and risks and have accepted them, but because they think it is what they are supposed to do (on pain of losing the woman they love).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 02:52 PM
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"The right to visitation and medical decision-making if your spouse should be hospitalized." In a good marriage that is wonderful. In a bad marriage it is a conflict of interest🤣. In any case, alternative arrangements granting the same rights can easily be made without being married. "clarity around assets should one spouse die, which can ensure a stable family home in the event of such a tragedy" Only in certain jurisdictions. In many jurisdictions the majority of the inheritance has to go to t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 02:49 PM
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There is no need for alimony if you walk away with a disproportionate share of the assets and pension. Most people would prefer an upfront payment in any case, as it is easier to collect.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 02:42 PM
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It is one thing for a divorce to result in no alimony. It is quite another to lose the majority of the assets you have worked for (when your wife made a negative contribution to the household), which can far outstrip any alimony award. Or to be forced to pay outrageous amounts of child support for children it turns out are not even genetically related to you. There are many, many other injustices that can occur in family courts: alimony is least of men's worries. These things obviously depend on…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 02:40 PM
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I would agree with you that men should be pickier: you should only allow people into your life who enhance it and ruthlessly exclude or limit your contact with people who have attributes that detract from your happiness. Use them only for their positive aspects. However, I would disagree with you about simps. Simps are great. They make the rest of us look so much better and more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 07:41 AM
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It is likely that women who don't live with their sexual partner, and know he has available options, will be keener to keep him sexually satisfied, so as not to lose him. Competition is a wonderful thing. That has certainly been my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 02:23 PM
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Maybe just think of it in terms of wanting a "sexual relationship". If one partner no longer wants sex, it is no longer a sexual relationship. The requirements for such a relationship are no longer met and the other partner is free to move on. And/or you can continue what is now a friendship.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 02:09 PM
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When I was that age I too would have described myself as single. I mean, was having sex with multiple women, but didn't consider myself taken. Perhaps some of those women didn't consider themselves single because they were having sex regularly. That may account for some of the disparity in the figures.
/r/AllPillDebate28/02/23 10:48 AM
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It is not social hierarchy that creates fulfilment. It is more like your social position. Being rich and lonely, stressed because you need to protect your position, not having the freedom to do things you enjoy, won't make you fulfilled. Being poor but loved and respected by your peers will go a long way to making you fulfilled. Chasing social position is a sure way to end up personally unfulfilled. There is a reason they call it the rat race.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 10:04 AM
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I know a guy in that very situation. OK, not the same nationality, but an immigrant in the same situation. Works in a restaurant, low paid, estranged wife and child in his home country. Yet he has a long-term lover of a much higher social class. He does have to put in effort though (as most of us do) by cooking for her ailing mother and dealing with her emotional ups and downs.
/r/AllPillDebate27/02/23 09:10 AM
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Settling is a loaded term. Any person, man or woman, can only choose from what is available to them: i.e. you can only have sex with people who want to have sex with you. You choose from among that group; no-one gets to pick their ideal. To increase your options you can either make yourself more attractive (there are obviously limits to this, which most people never get close to reaching) or you can increase the number of people of the opposite sex who you meet by broadening your social life, wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 07:25 AM
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It is based on merit: if a woman likes a man it is because he has merit in her eyes. It may not be for the reasons you would like it to be, or even for reasons she herself is conscious of, but to her there is a difference between men she likes more and those she likes less. For most men this barely matters: unless you are fixated on one special woman, you can short circuit the whole dynamic by increasing opportunity. The more women you meet in your everyday life, the greater your chance of meeti…
/r/AllPillDebate27/02/23 07:16 AM
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This is the voice of the devil. Just chill and enjoy yourself: nature made you to fuck.
/r/AllPillDebate24/02/23 06:14 PM
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You definitely have a sound point there.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 02:14 PM
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Then don't lower yourself to the level of fools. Only engage with people who have something interesting to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 12:37 PM
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Never expect it. Never feel entitled to it. That takes all the fun out of it. But in my experience, under those circumstances, it is 90% certain she will be hoping to have sex, so all you have to do is not say or do something outrageously stupid and you are in.
/r/AllPillDebate24/02/23 12:28 PM
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The best way to date is not to date in the American sense. Don't pay for shit, don't go for meals, don't do any of that traditional nonsense. Simply spend time with women who like to spend time with you, doing whatever pleases you, and escalate sexually if and when appropriate. It takes all the stress out of it, flows much more naturally, and you enjoy yourself whatever happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 12:24 PM
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"To say that women are only money-hungry gold diggers": strawman in the very first phrase of the very first sentence. Some women are "money-hungry gold diggers" and there is nothing wrong with that. It just takes a certain kind of man to enjoy a woman like that. The group of women has a larger percentage of people in it who prioritise wealth and earning power in a sexual partner than the group of men. Men can either use that to their advantage; be used; or pick different types of partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 12:20 PM
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The only ways are either not to cohabit or to spend a lot of time apart (travel, work, hobbies, etc.). It is frequent contact and being a useful tool in her life that flips the switch from lover to bf/husband. It works the other way round too. As Sir James Goldsmith said, ‘If you marry your mistress, you create a job vacancy.’
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 12:16 PM
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It doesn't really matter what men like: all that matters is what the men you like, like.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 12:12 PM
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Yes, I always knock one out to a picture of the crucified Christ before heading out for a date...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 02:49 PM
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That does not apply if you never bring money into the relationship. Simply don't pay for dates, gifts and all that crap. Make the relationship about you two getting together, having fun and having sex. There are tonnes of women who happily go for that if being around you makes them feel good. Women these days can earn their own money; gold-diggers are easily avoided.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 08:42 AM
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My experience as a bald man of almost 50, with a couple of teenage kids, is that dating becomes ridiculously easy at that stage, as long as you stay relatively fit and healthy and have a positive mindset and are good-humoured. The reason is not money, at least not in my case! It has more to do with being a more mature individual who knows how to connect with women emotionally and mentally, is not emotionally dependent and has depth of character. In short: being the kind of person other people lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 08:39 AM
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There are many "pay gaps". People with disagreeable personalities earn more than people with agreeable personalities. Gay men and lesbians earn more than heterosexuals. In the UK, certain groups of women with black skin out-earn men with white skin (basically immigrants from countries such as Nigeria, who have very high educational attainment). So yes, height matters. As does having children. And educational attainment and culture. It is illegal in most countries, and has been for half a century…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 08:32 AM
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I know a woman, a friend of mine, who when she was looking for a husband in the second half of her twenties, ruled out men who didn't pay for dates. She has been married now for about 20 years, to a school teacher, while she is a highly-paid consultant. She now pays the majority of the family expenses, as they pool their income and he does the majority of the childcare. It seems like it worked out well for her: she sought a man with a certain mindset so she could have the kind of relationship sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 03:14 PM
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If you fear sex so much, I would suggest you avoid it. Most of us find it a completely natural, safe and enjoyable activity. After all, the vast majority of people are pretty decent folk.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 06:59 AM
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How much you earn is not necessarily a reflection of your status (in certain countries, such as the USA, it tends to be a very important component; but certainly not where I live or the circles I move in). I have been out with women who earned multiples more than me, or had far higher educational qualifications, but who considered me to have higher status than them due to my other attributes (personality, intelligence, social skills, experience, age, having children, etc.). Have you ever heard t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 06:56 AM
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It is very rare to prove that a rape occurred with physical evidence, as the key factor is consent. What it is possible to prove is that a man's DNA is inside the woman. If he claims never to have had sex with her, he will then look like an unreliable witness and be in big trouble.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 07:56 PM
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🤣🤣Oh yeah! There are plenty of women with integrity and decency; and plenty devoid of it. Sometimes people surprise you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 04:09 PM
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There is little trick or test I use: I open up to a woman about a fake "insecurity" I have or make up something terrible that supposedly happened to me in the past. I see if she brings that up when she is angry with me or we break up. Only women that pass that test stay in my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 03:26 PM
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To be fair, plenty of guys (not me) prefer to be in a monogamous relationship with all that entails and therefore have a low n-count. There will be many who do so because it is their only option; others because they think it should be that way; and still others who actually prefer that. Personally I find it sad that a lot of guys are happy with their lot, simply because they don't know what they are missing. Conversely, among the "top" 5% of guys, many are doing that because they can and want to…
/r/AllPillDebate08/02/23 11:29 AM
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Where I grew up, you can marry, join the army, vote and make a will at 16. You can drink alcohol from the age of 5. If someone between the ages of 16 and 25 is mature enough to do those things, they can certainly choose who they want to have a sex with: it is the most natural activity for a sexually-mature person to engage in. Over the last 250,000 thousand years, the average age at which humans have had children is 23.2 for women and 30.7 for men [https://studyfinds.org/average-age-conception/\…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 07:17 AM
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Just because brain development continues, does not mean that a 19-year old is the mental equivalent of an infant. It is not as if there is actually that much difference. They are people, who can consent and make choices about how they construct their lives. Where I grew up, you can marry, join the army, vote and make a will at 16. You can drink alcohol from the age of 5. If a 16,17,18 or 19 year old is mature enough to do those things, they can certainly choose who they want to have a sex with: …
/r/AllPillDebate07/02/23 12:12 PM
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I put it to you that your opinion is based purely on your personal prejudices and that your reliance on debunked and misunderstood "science" [https://slate.com/technology/2022/11/brain-development-25-year-old-mature-myth.html] is simply a veneer to justify those prejudices. It is no different to saying homosexual sex is "unnatural" and "unhealthy". I would go further and point that over the last 250,000 thousand years, the average age at which humans have had children is 23.2 for women and 30.7 …
/r/AllPillDebate07/02/23 09:06 AM
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TRP as ideology is the last thing we need. If you want an ideology or metanarrative to guide your life, join a religion, philosophy or political party. Praxis based on accumulated experience is the way to go.
/r/TheRedPill06/02/23 07:51 PM
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I see that as him as kindly but firmly expressing his boundaries. Laying down the law is pretty pointless, in my opinion, as you can't control other people's actions, at least not for long. Most people don't like being told what to do. But they do appreciate knowing where they stand. So having boundaries (rules for yourself; you and her knowing how you will react if certain circumstances arise) is far better than imposing rules on her. It is far more effective at restraining her impulses.
/r/TheRedPill06/02/23 07:47 PM
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I would say most of the foundational advice of TRP works on any woman when applied appropriately. It is also very helpful in forming deep, meaningful relationships that are based on authenticity rather than fantasy. It is equivalent of consciously investing, planning and hedging, cutting your loses, spreading your bets and accepting you can't buck the market, rather than buying one stock at random or picking a horse with a nice name and hoping you will hit the jackpot.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 02:51 PM
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More likely, it is that women who had genes that made them more selective were more likely to have reproducing descendants due to the energy investment and risk required for reproduction. It is unlikely any women consciously thinks that. Just like people who experience jealousy are not consciously fearing losing the opportunity to have progeny. Instead, those who are jealous and enforce monogamy are more likely to have reproducing descendants.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 02:40 PM
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I think it may be more that they know that having sex with them tends to make men better disposed towards them. Some women then try to take advantage of that through various forms of manipulation. I also think most people see sex as an exchange of pleasure and creation of intimacy between equals, not as conquest/submission, giving/taking.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 02:35 PM
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I'm the sensitive type. Your lack of consideration has made me cry in front of my children.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 02:52 PM
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Actually, I was twice turned down for jobs specifically because I am not a woman. In both cases they said, "If you make a complaint about it, we will simply say we never said it." Not that it made any difference to my life. I simply went and got other jobs. They did me a favour. Who wants to work for people like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 02:40 PM
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The second I would never do: putting down others to make yourself look higher is behaviour I despise in any context. I have no respect for people who do that, or who fall for it. The other two examples are a matter of nuance: you can do both of those things simply to show interest in what someone is saying and develop the conversation. Alternatively, it can make you look pathetic when you are found out. But in any case, if you feel the need to be someone you are not in order to get sex, better t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 02:31 PM
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If you are shagging several times over the weekend, verbally requiring consent would be very odd, probably autistic, and certainly robotic. Humans very, very rarely seek consent in that way. There is absolutely no need for it when you are both enthusiastically going at it, which is the usual way.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 08:49 AM
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Split the bill. Pay in rounds. Or accept her offer to pay. Just as you would with your friend, sister or colleague.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 06:49 AM
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That is a scarcity mindset. If you think you need to pay to get laid, you think you are not good enough for most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 10:13 AM
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In my experience, not paying increases the chances of getting laid. It certainly decreases the possibility of being made to wait. Try it, if you don't believe me.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 10:10 AM
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If you bring time and energy into the equation, then every man pays for playing a computer game, watching a movie, reading a book or going for a relaxing walk. Everything has an opportunity cost: that is undeniably true and should inform how we choose to spend our time. But if you are talking about money and resources in exchange for sex: that may be necessary with some, even many, women. But a man can simply choose not to do it; and choose other women. In my relationships with women, we normall…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 10:05 AM
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I went bald when I was 19. Never affected my sex life one bit!
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/23 06:43 PM
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As a guy who has had sex with several virgins I don't agree: in every case it was just being in the right place at the right time (friend of a sibling; friend of a friend; friend of a friend's boyfriend; drunk in the right bar). If it hadn't been me, it would have been someone else, better or worse than me, soon enough. Sex is much better with women who are experienced enough to feel comfortable with their own sexuality.
/r/AllPillDebate31/01/23 06:30 PM
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Can't we just have both?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 04:48 PM
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Don't shame people who spice up their sex life with toys from time to time. Wearing a penis sleeve can be a fun activity if you have a good sense of humour and an absence of insecurity.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 08:04 AM
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My experience has been quite different. I have been in plenty of open relationships (without cohabitation) and have found that while it is easy for me to meet women, most women don't actually take advantage of the opportunity, as they prefer sex within a relationship over casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 07:59 AM
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Actually, a "Live, love, laugh" sign is a very good indicator of an emotionally unstable woman.🤣 Can be fun for a while. A nightmare in the long run. All red flags can be easily avoided if you have close friends of the opposite sex then ask yourself: is my romantic partner treating me at least as decently as they do?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 10:52 PM
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You seem to be assuming that my approach does not involve love or building a future. Nothing could be further from the truth. If you want to buy (half) a house for someone, go for it. However, many other options are available. You don't have to do things just because you have been told that is the way things should be.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 10:43 PM
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You didn't mention monogamy from what I can tell. In any case, I almost never come across women who want a financial benefit from the relationship. Probably because they can tell from the start that they won't get that from me. I am attractive to independent women in all their forms: hippies, bohemians, busy professional types, thoughtful feminists and women who have commitments that leave them little time or inclination for dating. So I just don't come across that issue. If I went for a differe…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 10:08 PM
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I class a ONS as a relationship and treat them as well as I would a girlfriend. I have a few regulars I have been seeing for several years, one whom I see every week or even a couple of times a week, and others who drop in and out. But whatever the form, I only date women who meet my standards and they include having the mental, emotional and financial wherewithal to take care of themselves and pay their way. I never pay for anything or buy gifts more expensive than a book.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 09:49 PM
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I'm talking about relationships. I don't distinguish between short-term or long-term, I treat women the same way in both.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 09:43 PM
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Out of maybe 40-50 women in the last five years, I've only met one who expected me to pay for anything, including dinner. Friendzoned her right away. If you lead with your wallet, you get gold-diggers/commitment hunters, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 09:35 PM
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I'm really turned off by women who are looking for a provider and I only date women who enjoy a deepening relationship without that form of commitment. As a bonus, they also tend to be the most pleasant, interesting and easygoing. It is much more honest and sincere than when a woman wants something she is not able/willing to offer herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 09:33 PM
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The best way to avoid a sexless relationship is not to live together and never promise to be monogamous. If you do either of those things, your sex life will almost certainly decline. Comfort and familiarity are passion-killers. It would be nice if they weren't, but in practice they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 08:21 AM
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Why would you die alone when you are surrounded by many people who love you rather than just one (who will probably die before you)?
/r/AllPillDebate05/01/23 08:12 AM
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It always tends to be me putting them in the friendzone. I don't spend time with women who don't like me.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 08:10 AM
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My experience is the very opposite. It tends to make women trust me more, and the presence or another woman who is close to me but I don't want to have sex with creates a kind of jealousy and desire to prove that they can get me.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 08:01 AM
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I've told my son how to take precautions against dangerous women, and my daughter how to take precautions against dangerous men. If you need help, get it. That's what I tell my kids too. And to both, men and women: for all else do what you want, as long as you take responsibility for your choices. Never blame anyone else for something within your own control.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 10:04 PM
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What difference does it make? It is not as if people can read your thoughts. What makes you think people only hang out online? And why would your buddies have to be RP? Why would you even talk to people about your sexual strategy in real life? We are not talking about some religious cult or vows of patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 06:44 PM
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Women tend to be more subtle and employ more plausible deniability. So much so that it can often be confused with simple friendliness. I find the best approach for a man, if he is interested, is to make his own desires not quite so subtly known and gauge the response.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 01:26 PM
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Fair enough
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 12:44 PM
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They are easy to avoid: or simply limit the depth of the entanglement and enjoy them for a time. It is not enough for a woman simply to exist, she needs to be worth being with.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 12:40 PM
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Dunno, mate. It happens to me more often than I'd like. Perhaps you miss the cues?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 12:34 PM
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I'm not a feminist. Quite the opposite. If you want to make the most of life, you have to tackle it head on, take responsibility for your lot and control the aspects you can control, not bemoan your misfortune. Part of the definition of being a man, in my book.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 12:32 PM
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And in my extensive experience, women are MUCH more likely to do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 10:48 AM
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It seems to me that you are massively inflating certain concerns/threats to men. While false rape accusations are a risk, they are also thankfully rare and can be easily largely mitigated with sensible precautions and approaches. As for preferential treatment in the workplace: again there are many ways around this. First and foremost, not working for such employers, but instead for others than will pay/promote you better or learning how to play the political game effectively. Not ideal, but rare…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 10:39 AM
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Opposition to casual sex does not come from the red pill. It comes from certain cultural attitudes and personality types, who refuse to accept that women are women. The "red pill" guys who express such attitudes are generally men trying to use red pill techniques to achieve blue pill fantasies: they refuse to actually "take the red pill". The red pill view is to accept the world as it is and arrange your own life in a manner that best achieves your aims within such a reality. That can take all k…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 10:30 AM
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It is a direct response to your summary. If you want different answers, you need to think out a different post.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 10:20 AM
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I have bonded with women who have fucked tons more guys. Emotionally and sexual bonding is a very different thing to being a trustworthy person with whom you can make commitments (not that I tend to myself, as it is unnecessary in the modern world).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 10:18 AM
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I won't assume a false premise for the purposes of discussion. 🤣 And as you know, correlation does not equal causation.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 01:11 AM
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If you think a woman can't bond with a man simply because she has enjoyed having sex with 10 other men previously, you are very much mistaken.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 01:06 AM
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I see your point, but pregnancy doesn't affect some women much at all in the long run. It depends very much on their reaction to it, and a bit of luck. If they don't put on excess weight, have good nutrition, exercise well during and after pregnancy, avoid stress, get the help they need when they need it (family or money), and sleep healthily, you would never know, to look at them, that they have ever had children. Proof of this is a few women I or friends have had sex with and only found out mu…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 08:43 PM
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Some people are more committed to their ideology than using their reason and experience. It gives them the comfort that they are right or have picked the right side.
/r/AllPillDebate03/01/23 08:27 PM
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You can be in love and be taken advantage of. In fact that is the usual way. But I agree that the best relationships are not zero sum.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 02:52 PM
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That's what I said
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 04:21 PM
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My ideal is women who are independent and need me for fun, sex and good company and conversation. I already have kids, and don't want any more, so that is not an issue. Marriage, cohabitation and monogamy are out of the question. So apart from that all she has to be is fit, easygoing and pleasant to be around. I have had relationships like that go on for many years: I much prefer increasingly depth without increasing commitment. Some will probably continue in one form or another indefinitely. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 02:46 PM
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🤣🤣Yeah, it is always specific men. Most of us, men and women, are not attracted to most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 11:56 AM
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Or, like some women, she prefers older men. It is not the default, but it is certainly not uncommon.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 11:54 AM
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For casual sex, fine. For a relationship, no way.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 10:53 AM
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She probably just thought you were her best option in the circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 06:38 PM
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Hmm, that's impossible. It is impossible for anyone to know that about themselves, let alone others. Our minds and feelings constantly change, and most of our motives are hidden even to ourselves. Our sex lives are not a game of 4D chess.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 05:44 PM
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And yet the beta still gets worked to death, so his lord can enjoy his string of mistresses. The sexual marketplace is not fair; all you can do is take steps to create a life you love.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 02:25 PM
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Well, I, for one, would fuck that after a long dry spell. Can't speak for all men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 02:17 PM
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Surely such people are reducing the budern on the rest of society, by transferring it onto those who brought them into the world. They are further reducing the burden by not bringing additional children into the world themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 01:07 PM
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What on earth does completely informed mean in this context?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 12:48 PM
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I would go further and say that people who state their intentions are usually lying to themselves anyway, so you won't get the truth out of people that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 12:46 PM
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Have a ONS with a guy when you know you are already pregnant, then tell him it is his. Bonus points if you falsely tell him you were raped and were so glad to meet a caring man like him, when he eventually finds out.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 12:25 PM
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If you want to exercise informed consent, the onus is on you to do your due dilligence. You can only impose your own standards on yourself, not expect the world to adapt to you. Other people prefer to dance the dance, play the game, not overcommit, and see how things work out over time.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 12:15 PM
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Testing people is essential. Anyone who doesn't do that lacks self-respect and is also not protecting their loved ones, friends and anyone else who will be affected by the people you allow into your life. Ghosting, even, can be a necessary defence, especially when some people become so obsessive and possessive in relationships right from the start and can act in horrific ways when they are rejected. As for independent types: they generally fall into two groups, the dominant and the easy-going. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 12:11 PM
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No thanks, I'll be human and love being with people who test me decently.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 12:41 AM
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His mom and Jesus conceived him. He is the special one.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 06:54 PM
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I say it because lots of people suffer from malnutrition or disease in many parts of the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 06:48 PM
21

Where I live she would be a 3 or 4. In some places a 7. It is all relative. But for her age, she could look after herself so much better.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 06:44 PM
3

I've never chased women. They just seem to appear in my life while I am doing what I like. I highly recommend it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 10:48 PM
54

If you think those are your only choices, you face an easy decision. If you think those are not your only choices, you face an even easier decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 10:36 PM
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You are comparing apples with oranges. You would have to compare men and women working the same hours in the same jobs. If they choose different professions and choose different working hours, then the difference is due to that not their sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 11:39 AM
9

In your case, I think it might be "I need to wilfully misunderstand everything people say in order to wind them up." 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 07:36 PM
6

Nah. They work best when the woman really loves the man, and the man really likes the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 07:32 PM
3

Needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 07:31 PM
2

Fair enough. I have never spoken to anyone like that, so I wouldn't know.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 07:30 PM
9

If you need something you can take the necessary steps to get it. A need does not imply someone else has to do it for you. So if a man needs sex, he makes himself sufficiently attractive to a woman to get it. There is no coercion or obligation implied.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 06:21 PM
10

It is not a need in the sense that spiritual enlightenment, healthy relationships, happiness, personal freedom and being loved are not needs. You can survive without any of them. Still, they are desirable and it is desirable to try to achieve them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 05:57 PM
2

I'm sure they can. But you may sometimes feel bad about about using them for nothing but sex. It is easier (not say fairer) this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 05:48 PM
7

"Why would a woman want a man who can’t think for himself and whose only motivation in life is getting his dick wet? What’s the appeal having such a hedonistic shallow person in your life?" To have great sex whenever it is convenient to her, obviously.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 05:05 PM
1

I may die alone or surrounded by people who love me. But I'm not going to destroy the rest of my life for what happens in my final moments.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 04:22 PM
1

For some reason, probably my genes and upbringing, I have always been confident in my ability to do anything I put my mind to. I started with nothing and everything I have built has been through my own effort; and everything I don't have is my own responsibility or choice. My confidence did take a hit when I got divorced: I had set out on a path and suddenly many of the key aspects in my life were up in the air. So I spent time to reconsider what I wanted and then took steps to gradually get the…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 12:28 PM
1

My standards are: Intelligent, interesting, physically attractive and pleasant to be around. Has a high sex drive. Doesn't expect kids (don't mind if she already has them, or later has them with somone else) or living together and pays her own way. Accepts she won't be the only woman in my life. Nothing else matters. This gives me the ability to get close to many different kinds of women and greatly expands my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 12:14 PM
1

You don't have to cheat to be non-mongamous. You can simply be honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 11:35 AM
1

Polygany is not the same as being non-monogamous. All societies have been non-monogamous in practice.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 11:34 AM
1

People more often than not do choose monogamous relationships. However, I have found that most women are perfectly happy to have a non-monogamous relationship in practice, if that is a dealbreaker for the man they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 11:33 AM
1

Actually, what he is describing is an insecure/anxious attachment style: "checking in on them, asking how they’re doing, making sure they’re okay". People do that to seek constant validation, not because they actually care about the other person. People with a secure attachment style are not tools to make those with an anxious style feel good at the cost of their own sanity. They are better off seeking only people with a similarly secure attachment style. The rest should seek psychological help.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 11:30 AM
1

That is fine if you like that kind of relationship. However, I find constant expression of affection and concern to be rather clingy, coming from neediness and moving towards codependence. I prefer independent, emotionally-stable women. So my advice would be quite different: only date people who do not need constant reassurance, help and attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 11:26 AM
1

🤣🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 10:39 PM
1

That's not how the law works.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 10:39 PM
5

Smile a lot. Be very friendly. And don't approach individuals, where possible, approach groups of people. Be very laid back. Laugh at yourself. Always give people an easy path to get away from you. Don't stand too close. Etc, etc. There is a big difference between striking up a conversation with 3 women talking in a bar and approaching a drunk woman in a dark alley.
/r/TheRedPill27/12/22 11:33 AM
2

Where is that the law? Saudi Arabia? It has certainly not been the law in any of the 5 western countries I have lived in.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 10:57 AM
-2

That makes no sense. The drunk person is capable of consenting and does consent. They have preferences they would not have when not drunk, but they have chosen to create those preferences. There are some countries that are very anti-alcohol: the United States being a prime example, with a long history of puritanism. We don't need those kind of values in Europe.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 10:16 AM
1

If a person makes poor judgement calls and does things they regret when drinking, it is their responsibility not to drink or not to do so in public. I am fed up with people blaming others for their freely made choices. Purposefully incapacitating someone so they cannot consent is rape in many countries. It is also extremely rare. Much more common is someone choosing to get drunk, making their own decisions, and perhaps regretting some of the things they have done. That is not illegal, on either …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 10:12 AM
2

Pretty much the same arguments have been used to criticise homosexuality. I have a dream that one day people will be judged on the content of their character, not what they do in their consensual sex lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 10:09 AM
2

What you can't do is share a photo to a site, in which they are recognisable, saying their name or other personal details, for the purpose of exposing multiple daters (i.e. controlling their sexuality with public shame). For the same reason you can't put up photos of people and expose them as being gay. You have a right to privacy, family life and honour.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 10:05 AM
1

Basically, meeting women in contexts where they are more open to meeting people: bars, events and other social situations. Then just invite them over for dinner and Bob's your uncle.
/r/TheRedPill24/12/22 10:03 PM
2

In many European countries that is the case. You have a right to protect your honour and your family life.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 10:00 PM
0

If you look up the definition of the word rape, you will see that it is not only used to refer to a sex offence. It also means "to seize and take away by force". If that meaning is intended then it is wholly appropriate.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 03:08 PM
3

I admire your persistence, but if it takes 500 approaches to have sex once, I would question whether cold approach is the most efficient way to achieve your goals. There are many other strategies that involve less energy and time.
/r/TheRedPill24/12/22 07:58 AM
2

You may be confusing your personal feelings with the way many women actually act in practice. Men will obviously focus on the latter, if they want sex. I accept that you would find such a man less attractive. But many women who want a bit of fun, react differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 07:53 AM
24

Where I live, this would be criminal behaviour. Showing a person a photo taken with consent, in person, would be ok. But posting someone's name and photo online without their permission, in a context that could affect their reputation/image, and especially if it concerns sexual matters, would be punishable with up to three years in prison and a hefty fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 07:49 AM
2

Being the lover rather than the husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 07:35 PM
8

If they were not, they would not have high n-counts.🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 06:08 PM
0

It can be a lot more enjoyable to be someone's second option than their first. All the benefits without the headaches.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 05:41 PM
3

Women want all kinds of things. That is just a general trend. The positive side of that is that if you meet enough women, you can find one or more who fit in with what you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 05:38 PM
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Oh great, me and my wife were looking for a third...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 03:17 PM
3

In certain places it could be a social class issue.
/r/AllPillDebate22/12/22 07:06 AM
7

I'm a white guy and I don't come across many people with black skin where I live now or in any of the countries I have lived in. In general, I don't tend to find women with black skin particularly attractive. Not because of the colour of their skin, but because of certain physical features that don't fit my personal preferences. However, I occasionally come across one that I find astoundingly beautiful. I don't know how our preferences develop, but I think maybe I would find the features that ma…
/r/AllPillDebate22/12/22 07:00 AM
1

I think I can appreciate your dislike of such behaviour. But I also think manipulation (conscious and unconscious) is the constant default in social animals. I think it only becomes a moral issue in cases on the more extreme side, but I accept that others may disagree and consider my attitude harmful. I put the onus on myself to avoid manipulation (when it is important to me) by following the maxim "watch what they do, not what they say". For example, if I think a potential friend or lover might…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 06:49 AM
2

Dishonesty would be unethical, I agree there. But complete honesty is rarely what either partner truly desires (or is even capable of). We can also choose not to make assumptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 10:25 PM
-1

Why should they?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 08:59 PM
1

Hey, it's not black and white. It is just a general trend.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 07:27 PM
1

Among (most of) my friendship groups, that is certainly not the case. I, and I think a lot of people, respect a woman who is honest with herself about how she expresses her sexuality. Much more than the usual serial-monogamish woman who is more interested in protecting her self image than being what she truly wants to be. The problem is, most people just don't want to understand how someone can have more than one sexual partner within a timeframe and be a decent, sound person. It is not that the…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 06:53 PM
1

In contrast, while a lot of men fear it, being self-deprecating to an amusing extent can raise your value in others' eyes. It can make you more laid back and easygoing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 06:45 PM
4

Even quite unattractive men can get women. And lots of them. I mean physically unattractive, not in terms of behaviour, attitude and personality. All of us, men and women, face that issue: very few can attract the very best looking people. But so what? I'd rather be having fun with a few lovers who are not the best-looking in town rather than crying into my beer because the latest hot girl turned me down. Interacting, shagging, great conversation: just do it with whatever lovely person you can. …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 06:43 PM
1

It was. Before the digitisation and monopolisation of sexual access we used to just go out to an orchard of a summer's evening, have a few beers and pick women from the trees. Obviously, the tall guys got the best, most untouched ones and some of us had to be satisfied with any low-hanging fruit that was still there or, worse, windfall. Some were sweeter than others. I certainly remember a couple that left a bad taste in my mouth. But overall, good times.
/r/AllPillDebate20/12/22 08:40 PM
1

Thanks! I liked that article!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 08:29 PM
1

🤣🤣We work in the same industry, so it is inevitable at times.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 07:01 AM
1

I was thinking more in terms of a one-night stand or occasional lover. I don't believe in soul mates🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 07:01 AM
5

The happy, high self-esteem ones do.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 10:26 PM
2

I think, if you have had sex 10,000 times, you really like sex. I'd take that over a low n-count. A woman after my own heart.,
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 10:25 PM
1

How many people did you marry?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 10:18 PM
1

My answer is always the same: "How the hell would I know".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 10:11 PM
5

I don't about that. I'm a guy and sometimes I like having just having female friends. Other times I like having sex with friends. But other times it is really fucking annoying, like on Friday when my ex-wife tried to kiss me when a really cute young chick was coming on to me at a Christmas party...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 10:02 PM
6

Every man can get options. But not with your mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 08:48 PM
4

Nah, doesn't work that way
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 08:47 PM
3

🤣🤣 Of course we don't need each other BUT life is SO much better with with good men/women in your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 08:15 PM
3

The problem with this whole "Does n-count matter?" nonsense, is that it depends on what you are looking for. If you are the kind of guy who is looking for a cohabiting monogamous relationship, kids in a couple of years, shared finances, till death us do part ... of course you are going to go for a women who won't jump into bed with some other guy at the slightest perception of the excitement of your relationship going off the boil. On the other hand, if you like having multiple, long- and short-…
/r/TheRedPill16/12/22 07:10 PM
8

The problem with this whole "Does n-count matter?" nonsense, is that it depends on what you are looking for. If you are the kind of guy who is looking for a cohabiting monogamous relationship, kids in a couple of years, shared finances, till death us do part ... of course you are going to go for a women who won't jump into bed with some other guy at the slightest perception of the excitement of your relationship going off the boil. On the other hand, if you like having multiple, long- and short-…
/r/TheRedPill16/12/22 06:34 PM
6

I'm reporting you to the mods for saying that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 11:13 AM
7

I tend to find that most women are pretty realistic when it comes to these things. You always get the overweight, or personality-deficient, types who think they deserve the life of a princess. And you get some seriously hot girls with low self-esteem. But generally women know what to expect. Most women who get together with me don't expect it to turn into a monogamous relationship. They are not stupid, they know I will always have plenty of options and am not the committing type, so they do the …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 11:04 AM
1

It is just a matter of personal taste. To some men she would be a 10, to me a 7.
/r/AllPillDebate16/12/22 10:58 AM
6

The USA has the oddest attitudes to skin colour and ethnicity. From the outside it seems like the most racist people of all are those who claim to be antiracist. Maybe better to date in a country where terms like POC don't exist and people simply don't care about such nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 07:13 AM
4

Actually, my experience and that of my friends, as older guys, has been exactly that. The main difference is that instead of you approaching young women, they make their intentions known to you. The thing to remember is that it is perhaps only 10% of women who are really into such large age gaps. So constantly approaching young women can harm your reputation, depending on the context. Instead, if you let them come to you, it can work out very well.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 07:04 AM
0

Her face is not very attractive to me, but I like a petite body. He looks fun and charming to be around. So seem like a reasonable match to me.
/r/AllPillDebate16/12/22 06:59 AM
3

I tend to find that in return for those things my female friends: - Cook me meals - Ply me with wine. - Have sex with me. - Introduce me to their friends. Seems like a good deal to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 06:57 AM
16

If all you want is sex, that is true. If you want commitment, or another form of relationships that involves a lot more than just sex, it is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 06:49 AM
1

People do all kinds of things. I very much doubt "many" boys think like that. I realise they are boys, but that does not mean that many of them are irredemably dense. Almost all people are capable of distinguishing between fantasy and reality; porn and real life. Sounds like the typical sexual morality panic to me. I find it sad how modern feminism has become so reactionary and conservative. They are practically trying to drive us back into Victorian times now.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 06:46 AM
2

I don't need or follow gurus. I forge my own way through life. I am my own role model.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 09:28 PM
2

If she is yearning for someone she is so much more attracted to, she is not very attracted to you. If you can't get more attractive yourself, you are simply seeing yourself up for pain by trying to be with a woman who can do better.
/r/AllPillDebate15/12/22 09:26 PM
1

Then they should find someone on their level. Not try to get those who are not.
/r/AllPillDebate15/12/22 09:09 PM
0

I really don't care about all that shit. I actually enjoy meeting my lovers' exes and even old hookups. It doesn't make me feel bad in any way or jealous. I never feel inferior to anyone. I don't fear losing anyone either, as I find it easy to meet new women. The only time n-count would matter to me is if I were looking to start a family. And then only as a sign of impulsivity and instability. But that time is long behind me. I have all the kids I want and have had a vasectomy. I won't live with…
/r/AllPillDebate15/12/22 08:48 PM
2

That is so subjective I would not know where to start.🤣
/r/TheRedPill15/12/22 04:44 PM
2

What do you consider a high value man to be?
/r/TheRedPill15/12/22 03:45 PM
2

You realise you can just say no to anything you don't want, right? Penalising other people you never come into contact with for your own preferences is simply authoritarian.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 07:55 AM
-2

Humans pair up with people of similar attractiveness. But they don't pair bond.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 04:53 PM
1

Sounds like a crazy ex-girlfriend of mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 01:55 PM
5

The same goes for a romantic partner. But your point is important: don't expect people to stay with you if you treat them badly.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 01:52 PM
12

The idea of unconditional love is one of the most pernicious aspects of the Disney fantasy and leads to people being horribly abused by their partners. Where is disagree with you is that unconditional love should not be given to family members or pets either. An abusive parent or child should be removed from your life, just like a partner. Not easy to do, but absolutely essential in the cases in which it happens. The only form of unconditional love that is valid is the sense in which we feel it …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 01:36 PM
2

No, it isn't, if it is consented to (depending on the jurisdiction). Many people have such kinks and consent to them. Whether they do it for pleasure, money, commitment or emotional support is irrelevant. It is not our business what people freely choose to do in their sex lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 01:24 PM
5

I think it is probably better to say, "My boyfriend has just come out of prison."
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 10:42 AM
5

If monogamy and an absence of cheating are essential to maintain your mental wellbeing then you should never have a sexual relationship with anyone. Not because all woman always cheat or are out to get you, but because it is an aspect entirely outside of your control. What you can do is arrange your life in such a way that infidelity will barely affect you in any way, either by: - Not having relationships. - Not having relationships that can affect your financial and mental wellbeing. - Changing…
/r/AllPillDebate14/12/22 08:57 AM
0

Slowly unzipping your trousers as I kneel... Until you realise I am a bald-headed middle-aged guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 07:43 AM
1

Inspire us, oh great one!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 07:02 AM
1

Legally, depending on the circumstances and jurisdiction, it can be a form of abuse. It can certainly be grounds for divorce. But it is easily avoided: simply move on if someone isn't into you sexually.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 06:58 AM
1

While I haven't paid for sex exactly, I have been in the following three situations: - I had sex with a friend who was a prostitute, but without paying. She took me away for a weekend in her sports car, paid for the hotel and dinner and we had sex. - I was married, which in some sense is an exchange of resources for sexual access. - I went out with a girlfriend who "forgot" her credit card, so I ended up paying for everyhing. The following day when I took her to the airport, I reckoned she owed …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 06:55 AM
7

By that logic, refusing to have sex unless the man does his share of the housework is coercion. It is not coercion, it is negotiation. Your attitude is a million miles away from the established, and legal, standard for consent. If you keep moving the goalposts you can criminalise anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 06:49 AM
1

A woman being fat vastly reduces the man's ability to perform.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 08:21 PM
4

I don't know if it true. But I do know I am not a woman and that offering a speculative explanation is not gaslighting.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 09:56 PM
14

It could partly be a defence mechanism. Your body doesn't know if a sexual context is safe or dangerous. So it could be a way of preparing the body for penetration and so reducing the chance of injury if the woman is assaulted.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 09:00 PM
2

In really want to tell me baker how much I appreciate her hard work. She is about 80 years old, and every morning before the other bakeries open she is there making the bread I give to my kids to take to schools as sandwiches. She always calls me handsome and always has a smile for me. What can I do to express my gratitude?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 04:08 AM
11

Sexual attraction is a physical thing: so, all else being equal, the better your physique the more people will be attracted to you. However, different people have different tastes. Some women love men who are strong as oxen; others prefer a slim, much less muscular man. You can't please everyone, but you can make the best of what you have. Bear in mind though, that there are diminishing returns. If you are fit and healthy, already muscular, adding an extra centimetre to your biceps is unlikely t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 04:57 PM
2

🤣🤣 that's hardly being me too'd
/r/AllPillDebate07/12/22 08:02 PM
3

Am I being cynical or could it be this? When women are married they have someone other than themselves to blame their unhappiness on, so they can safely claim unhappiness without taking personal responsibility. When women are not married, they have no-one but themselves to blame for their unhappiness, so they claim to be happy. 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 09:00 AM
0

Have you, or has anyone you know personally, ever been metoo'd? That is an issue for celebrities and such like. It is not a worry any normal person ever needs consider.
/r/AllPillDebate07/12/22 08:56 AM
0

Not if you have that attitude
/r/AllPillDebate06/12/22 08:06 PM
2

I think there is a lot of sense in what you say.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 02:17 PM
3

It has been overwhelmingly proven that we don't start with a blank slate: most of our behaviour is determined by our genes. Experience certainly does inform that behaviour, however. But it astonishes me how people constantly try the same things over and over again, hoping that this time the outcome will be different, instead of trying new things and seeing if they work. The other things you mention are behaviours, so it is reasonable to have a term for them. I think they are often misapplied tho…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 01:34 PM
1

🤣🤣
/r/AllPillDebate05/12/22 12:38 PM
2

Alpha, beta, sigma etc. are nonsense terms to apply to a person. Alpha and beta can only be applied to behaviours: the simply mean behaviours that women find sexually arousing or behaviours they find convenient/exploitable.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 12:37 PM
0

Women are far more likely to believe in superstitious and religious nonsense. The reason is that it gives them an illusion of control over things outside of their control; and it takes away the pressure to take personal responsibility for their actions and so does not threaten their self-image. Men also do this, just not so many of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 11:53 AM
1

The way to find out is to flirt with and proposition her at an appropriate time. Everything else is just mental masturbation. Action, not statistics.
/r/AllPillDebate05/12/22 11:48 AM
1

It has brought me great joy, delightful lovers, wonderful friends, and even loyal customers. All in all, it has added to sum total of my, and others', happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 08:38 AM
1

Chasing it is not much fun. But actually doing it can really add to your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 10:43 PM
5

Statistically, most relationships are not marriages.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 07:26 PM
1

Yeah. Some women love to do the abuser-victim-rescuer triangle, where she is the abuser but plays the victim when caught and turns you into the abuser in the eyes of others. Better to leave the personality disordered alone to hit rock bottom and seek the help they need.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 09:03 PM
1

Ah, that's cute. Sounds like you really loved them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 08:40 PM
0

I agree with you that it is totally just. But it can bring so many problems, legal and social, that there are much more satisfactory and effective responses.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 08:32 PM
2

A stranger, yes. It is just self-defence. A lover, simply turn around, walk away, block her on everything, never talk to her again and meet better people. Let that be her last memory of you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 08:25 PM
8

Yes. All of my best (and longest) relationships have started with having sex very soon. That raw attraction is the most important thing in forming a connection.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 05:07 PM
2

It is not dehumanising, it is intelligent, rational behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 05:03 PM
3

Yes, because she has enough experience to know the guy is a poor lover!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 05:01 PM
4

No, instead you look before crossing the road. There are some guys around who think they can cross the road without looking and be safe, as long as they hold frame and lift🤣
/r/TheRedPill02/12/22 01:33 PM
1

Number 2 is the mentality of people with personality disorders: I'll destroy their self-esteem so they don't have the confidence to leave me.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 08:39 PM
18

People who don't have unreasonable expectations or a keep-up-with-the-Joneses mindset.
/r/TheRedPill01/12/22 07:47 PM
14

I do have children. But I admit, it can be hard to get from A to C without going through B🤣
/r/TheRedPill01/12/22 05:14 PM
7

Actually, your probability of getting poisoned is exactly the same in your example.🤣 Perhaps the difference is that the man wants to eat an apple so much, that he is more willing to take the risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 04:28 PM
4

Or people who don't want to marry, tend to act accordingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 04:19 PM
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It really is not a father's job, nor do fathers tend to be able to give actionable advice to their daughters. Their mothers, friends and other women do tell them these things. Then they either listen, or they don't and they learn from experience. My daughter has no illusions when it comes to men: she tells me about her experiences and those of her friends. There really is nothing I can add. My son, on the other hand: I really can give him good advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 03:12 PM
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You don't need a study to tell you that. EVERY human throughout history has known that, whether or not they would be willing to admit it to themselves.
/r/TheRedPill01/12/22 02:59 PM
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The difference seems to lie not so much in how many sexual partners a woman has had, but her desire to have sex with men she is not married to and the opportunity to do so. That means if you bring a virgin wife from abroad to a western country, she is no less likely to be unfaithful than a woman with the same personality as was born there. If you want to attempt to use red pill knowledge to achieve blue pill goals (a lifelong marriage to a faithful wife), feel free. However, I would say you woul…
/r/TheRedPill01/12/22 02:47 PM
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Your studies contradict one another: "Each additional sex partner between age 18 and the first union increased the net odds of infidelity by 1%" "For people who reported four or fewer lifetime sexual partners, the rate of infidelity in the current marriage dropped to 11%, while for those who had five or more sexual partners the number was nearly double (21%)" "The odds ratio of 1.13 for lifetime sexual partners obtained with the face-to-face mode of interview indicates that the probability of in…
/r/TheRedPill01/12/22 02:39 PM
1

Most women don't. But several women I know openly say that they do sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 02:33 PM
3

Having kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 06:14 AM
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I have had a vasectomy and it is the second best thing I have ever done. I highly recommend it. However, it is only a useful form of contraception if you know you will definitely never want to have any more children. Reversing it often does not work, especially years later. And having children with frozen sperm takes away all the natural intimacy involved in creating a new life. It is extremely effective, but a bit of a niche solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 05:09 PM
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Around 50 years old. I need to have sex at least 3 times a week to feel normal, so that is what I usually do. In ideal circumstances it is 5 to 7 times with 1 to 3 women. Depends how many responsibilities I have in my life at the time: sometimes I have to curtail my social life to focus on work/kids. But when I lived with a woman it would normally end up being 1 to 3 times a week, due to the familiarity and stresses of cohabitation.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 02:58 PM
2

I agree with you: the difference between how you get treated when you commit and how you get treated when you act totally decently but don't commit is night and day.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 02:54 PM
1

It all depends why you are dating: if you are looking for a partner, the stakes are higher and a lot of these things are worth taking into account. But otherwise, it matters little, as you can always walk away if you don't like how things are turning out.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 12:44 PM
2

I thought you were going to say Iran or Saudi Arabia! By your standard almost every married man and woman in America has been raped.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 08:43 PM
3

That makes absolutely no sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 08:25 PM
2

By that logic I have been raped a couple of thousand times. I don't know what country you live in, but the law has not counted drunk consent as rape in any of the 5 countries I have lived in.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 08:24 PM
1

Drunk sex is not rape. It is wonderful consensual fun. Live a little.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 07:30 PM
1

I buy no-one expensive food and flowers. Except my mother and daughter. But I don't plan on having sex with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 06:10 PM
1

I made a clear distinction in the post between a relationship (exclusivity) and commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 06:09 PM
1

Ultimately, yes. That is often how it works. Resources and support one way, in return for sexual access the other. The traditional way, which I reject as inferior to free and honest love.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 06:08 PM
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I don't think many people take that extreme view. It is probably a straw man.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 06:06 PM
1

You would have to ask him.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 06:06 PM
1

I really appreciate you taking the time to understand what I wrote instead of simply reacting to what I didn't say, as most people have🤣. I make a distinction between exclusive and committed, which is where some confusion is created. Commitment is a big deal. Exclusivity (though not something I will ever agree to myself) is pretty minor by comparison. Most people want exclusivity in any sexual relationship (the fact I don't is irrelevant). As I mentioned in the OP, mutual commitment can be a win…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 04:26 PM
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No. But among independent types I have a met a few. You get the relaxed, easy-going independent types. And you get the dominant independent types.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 04:20 PM
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Women like that can make great lovers provided they are truly independent (and so want the man to be independent too) and not simply looking for a manservant to make their busy lives easier. If they want the latter, they need to find a man who prefers that role.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 04:07 PM
1

It certainly does. The fact that he would be right, makes it no less manipulative.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 04:04 PM
1

Monogamy is monogamy. You can have monogamy with no commitment, just as a boyfriend and girlfriend do Commitment is a promise to provide effort and resources. Commitment without such actions is merely words and bluster.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 04:03 PM
1

It is when I do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 04:01 PM
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I dealt with this in the original post. Nothing wrong with being exclusive: it is a win-win in most people's eyes. But sexual exclusivity is not the same as commitment. Sexual exclusivity is a relationship style; commitment is the promise of effort and resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 04:00 PM
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Some people will whine about anything. I love high n-count women. And I love AF/BB, as it is a win-win for me. I think most people are whining about the fact that the world is not designed specifically for their happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 03:36 PM
1

I dealt with this in the original post.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 03:34 PM
1

I want everyone to love me. But the point is the motivation behind the behaviour. Traditional dating is of dubious ethics: somewhat akin to buying someone's affection.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 03:33 PM
1

I don't see them as admirable goals. Merely neutral; a preference. Anyone who wants that is entitled to seek it. However, refusing to have sex, when you want to have sex, solely for personal gain, is an unpleasant character trait, in my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 03:30 PM
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People certainly can have it both ways without being stupid: they will enjoy sex with people who will have it quickly, but not commit to them. They will commit to low n-count women. It is not something that bothers me as I have no need or desire to commit, but their attitude is coherent.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 03:24 PM
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Prostitution is an exchange of sex for resources. A totally noble endeavour in my opinion, when performed honestly and consensually. I am not saying you are supposed to give up something of value with nothing in exchange. I don't know how you could have misinterpreted anything I said in that way. I am saying that the ethically best exchanges are those in which something of value is exchanged like for like. In a relationship, the consideration given for sex is sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 03:21 PM
1

Neither do I. My point is that if you make sex conditional upon commitment (an exchange of resources), you are being manipulative and devaluing the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 02:57 PM
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Because you like them: that's very nice. Because you want them to like you: a bit manipulative.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 02:56 PM
1

All of this already happened long ago in many countries. It certainly has been my experience for the last 50 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 02:43 PM
6

Why on earth would you buy expensive food or flowers for someone just because you are dating them?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 02:41 PM
1

Yeah, that's not what I said. Exclusivity is not commitment. It is simply being monogamous for the period the relationship lasts. Commitment is the promise of an exchange of effort and resources: I will look after you if you are ill, unemployed, etc. It is manipulative in the same sense as: "Let's go for dinner." "OK, if you are paying." When you can perfectly well pay for yourself and are simply trying to get a free meal.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 02:39 PM
1

The chances of a catching AIDS through heterosexual sex where I live are so close to zero that no-one worries about it. You are more likely to die by getting in a taxi. Other STDs, sure, but that is why I get tested regularly and use condoms. Hooking up is still very, very easy once a man has learned how.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 02:35 PM
1

I look after you when you are unemployed: that's an exchange of resources. If it is mutual, then it is win-win.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 02:32 PM
1

That's fair!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 02:31 PM
1

What does "sane" mean in this context?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 11:56 AM
9

It is a perfectly natural thing to happen when two people cohabit. That is why women's magazines have always been so full of ideas to spice up your sex life. Not cohabiting is the easiest way to avoid the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 11:53 AM
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I'm not putting on any pressure. Other people can do what they like. I am pointing out the moral and relationship dangers of abusing one's sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 11:46 AM
1

Confessing to cheating is an extremely hurtful thing to do. If you are ever in that situation (and I never have been) the best approach is never to confess, unless you are exposed, and simply never cheat again or end the relationship. Why hurt someone needlessly?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 11:09 AM
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My experience of it is quite different: the women who are and have been in my life don't crave commitment. Neither do my female relatives. They live life on their own terms with the fruits of their own efforts. I can totally accept that you want it. And there is nothing wrong with that. But you can't project your feelings onto other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 10:57 AM
1

Look through all the comments I have ever made and you won't find a single occasion when I have vilified women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 10:47 AM
1

Perhaps it means that to you. But millions of women will testify that they are not like that. None of us can speak on behalf of a gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 10:46 AM
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Thank you for your reasoned response.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 10:45 AM
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If women had a biological need for commitment, surely they don't now with readily-available contraception and the same earning power as men. Times and technology have changed and so have the ethics of relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 10:39 AM
2

No, at work it is easy. The market sets the rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 10:36 AM
1

I think you are right. People mean so many different things by "relationship" and "commitment". To me commitment is promising to stay together through the tough times (barring abuse or neglect etc.) and provide for one another financially, such as when you get ill or become unemployed, etc., perhaps even putting legal obligations in place through marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 10:20 AM
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We exchange goods and services for money. Personally, I find such exchanges to be best left out of relationships, since it is impossible (for most people) to put a monetary value on affection. But I am not opposed to other people doing so.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 09:59 AM
1

Sex work was a great source of income for some temples (but not many). It still is for some small religious groups today. But it has never been a widespread practice. What I was referring to was the social pressure exerted on a man by the woman's brothers, cousins and uncles to commit to a woman in order to have sex with her: someone had to pay for the baby, and it wasn't going to be them. You got a woman pregnant, you had to marry her.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 09:57 AM
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I agree, for the most part. But that is not what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 09:53 AM
1

The fact is you are not disagreeing with me: you are claiming I have written things I have not. That is very different.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 09:17 AM
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I can understand you would not want to have sex without love and passion. Almost every man and woman feels the same way. Commitment is another matter: very few people require an exchange of financial resources in order to have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 09:16 AM
1

You are either wilfully misunderstanding the post or haven't read it. It pays to consider your response before making it. Nothing in my post talks of meaningless sex. I certainly can tell you about what women are like in bed, from personal experience. They are generally very demanding in search of their pleasure. Of course women don't say such stupid things: that is a pathetic straw man argument that is intellectually dishonest.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 09:08 AM
1

Nothing in my post suggests having sex without intimacy. Nothing in my post suggests rushing into sex without having a relationship. My criticism is purely of leveraging sex for personal gain: that has nothing to with relationships or intimacy. I am not talking about withholding something you don't enjoy: I am talking about people who want to have sex, but choose not to, to leverage their sexuality into a personal benefit. As for your last comment: in my experience, the women I have sex with fin…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 08:58 AM
2

Ahhhh ... I completely misunderstood you🤣🤣🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 08:44 AM
3

I have, but it is somewhat cryptic.🤣 I think you meant "a built guy like Chad" not "a built guy by Chad". My point is that most guys who would be considered Chads, i.e. men who easily get sex when they want it, are not particularly muscular, simply good at talking to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 07:52 AM
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You don't have to be muscular to be successful with women. In fact, most aren't particularly. They simply talk to more women than men who are less successful. Having an above-average body certainly helps, but only to a limited extent.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 06:57 AM
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Most people have little in the way of ambition. And most people find themselves in relationships sooner or later. In the West especially, status and money are only important features in men for a (significant) minority of women. Most women will follow their feelings and accept a low earning man if he gives her those feelings. So the answer is to be the kind of man a woman wants to be with. It is not actually all that hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 06:55 AM
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You are conflating two completely different things. Commitment is a promise of time, effort and resources. If you are exchanging sex for that, when you actually want to have sex with someone, that is undeniably manipulative. It is what families insisted upon in the time before contraception. Today it only makes sense for personal gain. Wanting sex in the context of a monogamous relationship is a completely different matter, as it does not imply commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 06:48 AM
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A monogamous relationship is not synonymous with commitment. You can be monogamous with no commitment whatsoever. You simply are not having sex with other people for the duration of the relationship in that form.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 06:44 AM
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It is because you are wrong. I don't treat relationships as transactional. I am criticising people who do.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 08:27 PM
1

A relationship is knowing someone, being with with them, interacting. Commitment is a demand for time, energy and resources. For example, you will look after me if I get ill. If I lose my job, you will house, feed and clothe me. When two people mutually commit, it can be wonderful. But if a woman attempts to extract commitment as the price for sex, she should not be surprised if the commitment ends when she becomes seriously ill or unattractive. And if a man offers commitment in exchange for sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 05:14 PM
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A relationship and commitment are not the same thing. You can have a deep, loving, long-term relationship without commitment. Commitment is a demand for time, energy and resources. If it is mutually agreed upon, that can be wonderful. But if you will only have sex, when you actually want to have sex, on the condition of commitment, that is a soft form of prostitution. It is a negotiating tactic. A relationship is simply knowing one another, spending time together, interacting. The fair exchange …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 05:00 PM
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Yeah, but I care more about me.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 03:24 PM
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Manipulation exists when someone wants to have sex, but does not do so as a way of securing commitment (time, energy and resources) first. It is using sexuality as a tool for personal gain. Totally normal. But deceptive and manipulative nonetheless.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 03:00 PM
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A relationship and commitment are completely different concepts.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 02:58 PM
1

This man certainly would not be happier, so he does not think society would be better. The only men who would be happier are those who cannot easily get sex without commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 02:33 PM
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The fact that women no longer need men for their earning power has not decreased men's value. It has released them from bondage. Just as modern science and technology has liberated women from domestic drudgery. We are happily now moving towards a society in which (if you have all the children you want, or don't want to have children) both men and women only need each other for love, companionship and sex. If someone does not want you for those reasons, whether you are a man or a woman, you eithe…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 02:18 PM
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I see game more as engineering than as a science. You don't actually have to understand why things work, in terms of their fundamentals. You simply need to know what works (or at least what works within your personal and social context) and do that. You don't need to discover first principles or reinvent the wheel. You can learn from others' experience, but first and foremost you have to take action.
/r/TheRedPill28/11/22 01:39 PM
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Or if it is done to manipulate someone into commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 01:27 PM
3

By denying their sexuality and using it as a tool to get what they want. Claiming that they need commitment in order to have sex, when they actually want to have sex, but have found they can leverage it into getting something else they want. Personally, I don't do either, as the kind of women who appear in my life know they can't manipulate me in that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 01:20 PM
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But also the most obvious solution that most men will apply (and used to apply in times and places where it was necessary). If women insist on commit as the price for sex, and men insist on sex as the price for commitment, that will necessarily lead to deception on both sides.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 11:58 AM
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Or men who want to have sex will simply adapt and get better at giving the woman the impression that the relationship is moving in that direction.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 11:27 AM
1

Have you tried helping him look after his daughter? Go round his house, talk to each other while you both take care of her... That forms close bonds.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 12:48 PM
1

It is perfectly possible to be surrounded by people who care for you, bit are not related to you or sexual partners. You "simply" need to be a decent person who knows how to build long-term relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/22 09:13 PM
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Expecting resources from a man is not a normal part of a relationship. It is a part of many relationships, but it changes the form and meaning of a relationship. Once resource exchange occurs, you are no longer solely lovers but now in a provider-beneficiary situation, so I can see the OP's point.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 04:38 PM
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