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That wasn’t “as Jack Nicholson” said. That was Jack Nicholson’s character in the movie “As Good as it Gets.” Furthermore, it was a line clearly meant to establish what a rude, socially maladjusted, and completely unhappy man he was at the beginning of the film. …Granted, Nicholson’s personal views aren’t necessarily…well…yeah. But there are enough people out there actually saying and meaning that kind of nonsense to make it unnecessary to quote fiction.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 05:10 PM
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…You do realize that different women (different human beings, really) have different natural builds? But you’re right. At 165, I looked like a skeleton (cheekbones, knobby knees, sunken eyes, and all) upon whom some perverted middle school boy had awkwardly glued giant tits and a big, muscular butt. And before you use the T&A as evidence that I was “fat,” I STILL had them when I weighed 130 pounds. …Which I hope we can both agree is objectively severely underweight for a six foot tall woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 05:11 PM
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Yup! Six foot tall woman here! I look absolutely skeletal at 165!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 06:57 AM
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I mean…that definitely happens, too? Teenagers experiment. 🤷‍♀️ (I was a super shy people-watcher, too. So…hello, fellow people-watcher!)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 05:12 AM
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I mean…to an extent? A major part of a healthy relationship is compromise. In a good relationship, there’s a balance - neither party should feel like they’re always the one giving something up - but if (for example) you promised to go out dancing, and your gf is excited about it, you’d be a massive jerk if you came home and said “Meh. My buddies just got a new console, and I’d rather go play games instead. Later!” Doing precisely what you want with 100% of your free time is very much the domain …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 02:14 AM
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Just because people use it to feel better doesn’t mean it’s untrue!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 02:07 AM
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That all makes perfect sense. I can understand the frustration- really and truly. …But from a purely pragmatic standpoint: a wide and varied social circle is far and away the best way to meet potential romantic partners. And if we’re talking about men who struggle to socialize at all, then whatever women they are able to meet probably won’t be interested, because few people want to be someone’s entire world and safety net. This post seemed to be focused on looking for practical solutions. Helpin…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 07:21 AM
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Get…what, exactly? Was this woman obligated to chat with you because you might buy her BF’s condo?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 07:06 AM
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…Maybe it’s just my area, but back when I was on OLD, I saw profiles for both men and women. By and large, most of the (bi/pan/lesbian) women actually HAD a bio. At LEAST half of the guys (and I’m being generous here!) had a few crappy bathroom mirror pics, and an bio that just said “ask me and find out ;-) “ or “I’ll do this later.” YMMV - but as someone who cared more about the bio than anything else, it was disheartening!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 06:45 AM
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beau·ti·ful /ˈbyo͞odəfəl/ adjective “pleasing the senses or mind aesthetically.” I already talked a bit about why Lizzo pleases my senses and my mind aesthetically. …You’re currently arguing semantics with a literature nerd. There’s a reason that general concept words like “beautiful” have roughly a gazillion more specific synonyms. Language: it contains both subtlety and nuance! Anyway, we both know you don’t actually care what I think about Lizzo…or about Margot Robbie…or about nuances of the …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 04:29 AM
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…Yeah. It belatedly occurred to me that my comment was pretty pointless, and just played into the kind of competitive conversational approach that I’m trying to avoid. But yeah. This woman might SAY she just wants sex…but it sounds a lot more like she’s trying to talk herself into settling for meaningless, empty sex when what she actually wants is sex within the framework of an emotionally healthy relationship. And yes - she may very well be using Reddit to get enough validation to take the plun…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 02:49 AM
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Maybe things are different in Ireland - if so…awesome! But over here, at least, “don’t be a pussy” is still a commandment for teenaged boys, most men never talk about their feelings with anyone but a romantic partner (and many men don’t talk with their romantic partners, either!), most men have little to no emotional support/intimacy AND many men don’t get to experience physical intimacy, either. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that all of this is true, and the number one killer of young Americ…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 02:41 AM
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Okay. I have been saying this at length in other comments (as you may have noticed, I’m a loquacious one!), but you’re right. It certainly can’t hurt to acknowledge it again! I do believe that feeling isolated, lonely, and touch starved is INCREDIBLY detrimental to men’s mental, emotional, and even physical health. I think that men experience loneliness in an especially profound way, because they are trained from childhood to hide their emotions and to “be manly,” which compounds the issue even …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 02:33 AM
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I don’t know for sure if you’re asking these questions in good faith, or if you’re trying to make a point that I’m just missing. Sooo…I’m just going to assume you’re actually asking. Maybe the culture is different in Ireland (I don’t get that impression…but all I know about Ireland, I learned from books and movies, so 🤷‍♀️), but from the moment they exit intimacy, American boys and men are told to hide their emotions. After all:“Big boys don’t cry.” Trying to overcome lifelong social conditionin…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 02:16 AM
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/sigh I’m honestly not really interested in engaging in a social-pain pissing contest here. As another commenter once pointed out, I don’t have the right “equipment” for a pissing contest! ;-) Personally, I just think this constant one-upsmanship is needless and damaging…and more than a little bit silly. I’m looking for ways to genuinely connect and learn. I’m not trying to downplay your experiences. I’m just trying to share mine. Hopefully, we can find some middle ground!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 02:03 AM
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While it’s true that Reddit in general tends to always, always jump straight to therapy, in cases like this, I do genuinely believe that it’s a good idea. Men on these forums are always talking about how they can’t actually be emotionally vulnerable with women (I disagree - but that doesn’t really matter in this context). Also - though there are men out there that DO have good, deep, honest, and emotional conversations with male friends…but at least as far as I know, most men don’t have this. So…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 01:52 AM
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Very much agreed! And I think that finding some way to normalize platonic touch - particularly when it comes to men - is very important for mental health. Though I hadn’t been to one myself, I loved that “hugging parties” had become a thing. …An offbeat, hipster kind of thing that only seemed to be happening with counterculture groups in large, liberal cities…but it was still a positive step! …Aaaand then Covid. Dammit.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 01:42 AM
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…Because friendship might be very different from romance/sex…but it’s still vital to a person’s mental health. As little old ladies like to say, “a burden shared is a burden halved.” Facing horrible, dehumanizing stuff is usually easier when you have a support system of people who love you…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 01:38 AM
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…To be fair - since male OLD strategy tends to just be “swipe on every profile without even looking at it…then go back and check if you actually get a match,” it’s quite possible that these men didn’t actually get back to her, etc. But anyway - it’s really not relevant. Both men and women can feel cripplingly lonely. We may not feel it the exact same way, or for the exact same reasons - but it’s still common ground…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 01:34 AM
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…Dude, you sound like a kid yelling “but she started it!” when your mom is hauling you off for time-out. I’m not going to engage in an argument about “who started it,” because it’s not relevant, it’s not constructive- it’s just another way to divert attention away from actual communication, and down into another pointless fight.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 01:30 AM
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Thank you for your thoughts, and for expressing willingness to learn! For many women, the harassment starts as soon as they begin developing secondary sex characteristics. Basically the second my boobs came in, it was like someone flipped a switch, and all these previously benign “side characters” in the background of my life were suddenly a potential threat. Personally, when when I was very young, the harassment was mostly stayed pretty indirect - stuff like inappropriate comments yelled from t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 01:01 AM
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…But it probably is related to “some other problem altogether.” Maybe said problem predates the dating issues. Maybe difficulty with dating actually created other issues to consider; being touch starved is literally awful for your health on ALL levels. Also, frankly, a lot of the people who comment on these forums seem to have issues with deep anger and profound bitterness, and often seem to end up with a rather unhealthy view of the world. So, yeah - I do feel as though there are quite possibly…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 12:55 AM
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Why talk about it with…who, exactly? I’m not being snarky - I just can’t figure out who you’re talking about here!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 12:49 AM
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Personally, I think that being lonely and touch starved is a massive mental health issue, and wouldn’t dream of belittling anyone - male or female - for it. I spent my whole childhood being ostracized at school and abused at home - positive touch didn’t become a regular part of my life until I was in high school, and to this day, I catch myself trying to “hoard” physical touch, in case I need to somehow “save it up” for later. Some of my fondest memories are of college, when my friend group (mal…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 12:36 AM
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Awesome job, man! Congrats!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 10:08 PM
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https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/26/gender-wars-household-chores-comic
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 09:26 PM
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Dude - seriously. Take my word regarding my the contents of my own head: if you compare me to Margot Robbie, I’m going to smile politely and thank you, because I was raised to smile politely and thank people…but in my head, I’m just going to be thinking “okay…so this guy is trying to get in my pants…but clearly hasn’t even bothered to look closely enough at me to come up with an actual, realistic compliment? NO thank you!” If you compared me to Lizzo, I’d probably laugh and banter with you about…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 09:11 PM
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…Because she’s beautiful. She has amazing talent and charisma and just absolutely glows - at like, “lights up the the whole room” level. That video in which she played that historic glass flute was one of the hottest things I have ever seen - the joy and playfulness and skill and just…wow. Have you truly never heard “beauty is in the eye of the beholder” before? It’s the most perfectly classic case of just agree to disagree, already!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 09:01 PM
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Errr…yes. Yes, saying that I look just like Margot Robbie WOULD be insulting, because I look absolutely nothing like Margot Robbie. All I’d be able to think is “is he making fun of me? Or does he just think I’m an absolute moron?”
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 08:56 PM
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If anything…couldn’t you take this as proof that no…no, not all women are absolutely nuts for “Chad?”
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 02:39 PM
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Dude…do you really not see the difference between a random sketchy DM from someone who knows NOTHING about me other than that I (presumably) have a vagina, and an established online friendship that leads to one of the people in it wanting to try going on a date? The real life equivalent would be the difference between a random dude in a club trying to grind on me vs. someone on the outskirts of my friend group asking me out for coffee. Sure - maybe this guy on Reddit will turn out to be just as …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 02:23 PM
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Got it. So - in your world view - at least one of the genders has to be especially vulnerable to abuse. K.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 01:24 PM
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Okay. That’s hilarious! …Now if only I could think of a good follow up joke regarding the “state of her box…” 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 04:52 AM
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I have to admit…this conversation feels utterly surreal. I’m currently in the hospital recovering from neck surgery, and I occupied a significant chunk of the past few days arguing with men who insist that women with a “high body count” are inherently valueless and disgusting, and that it makes perfect sense for men to feel that way. …And now I seem to be having a debate with a man who is arguing as though the majority of these “Purple Pill” threads aren’t dedicated to bashing promiscuous women.…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 04:44 AM
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…The context is a metric buttload of men forming an echo chamber, then using pseudoscience to convince a lot of naive people (both male and female) that women should be shamed for having sex…shamed for not having sex…shamed for their supposed “hypergamy…” shamed for dating abusive lowlifes. Open these threads, and it just looks like the results of lancing a huge blister - just endless hate and pus. …And then these same people have the audacity to talk all about how feminists are evil man haters …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 04:14 AM
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…Lord. Do you just not read any of the comments on these threads? The pure contempt that is expressed for “run through” women is brain-meltingly awful.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 03:55 AM
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Sure. But (as everyone knows) the promiscuous man gets called a “stud” while the woman gets called “run through.” And - given how small a lot of social circles are - word gets out, and the woman faces scorn and diminished future dating prospects. It’s stupid. It’s sucks. It’s beyond hypocritical. …But it still happens. 🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 03:51 AM
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I haven’t really heard “free sex” before - but I assume it’s a throwback to everyone’s grandma’s favorite sex-saying “why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?” 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 03:46 AM
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…While also bitterly complaining about how those same virgins aren’t boning them…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 03:32 AM
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“Only women shame other women for being slutty” 20 min later: “By definition though you’re the one doing it to yourself. You’re a spunkbag for all the men you casually let in…” …Yup. Diminishing women to the level of crassly-named semen receptacles while simultaneously saying “and it’s your own fault!” is my new favorite compliment. …Where can I buy a glittery, rose-colored Mother’s Day card with “to the world’s best spunk bag and cum dumpster?” She’s gonna love it!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 03:30 AM
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Honestly, before the horrific experience that I described upthread, I 100% agreed with you. If someone is inclined to murder you over a rejection, then failing to properly end things will just antagonize them more. Logically, that really should be the case. But in reality, it seems as though the kind of person who goes all psycho-bunny-boiler is often also the kind of person who adamantly believes that, if they can just somehow debate you into submission, you’ll suddenly realize that of COURSE t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 02:22 AM
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I ALWAYS made a point of ending things in person. Always. It was a point of pride. …Then I broke it off with a guy after three dates. He seemed to take it well, and I failed to notice that he had followed me home from the coffee shop (I had walked). In the hellish month that followed, I got stalked, threatened, left bloodstained letters imploring me in one line to “please explain again,” in the next line to “please take me back,” in the next line to “come back before he did something we’d both r…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 02:04 AM
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Coincidentally, I just left a really long comment on another thread about how to bridge that gap: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/14deldg/why_do_low_quality_guys_just_not_lower_your/jorfe29/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3 …Ultimately, it’s not necessarily a fast or direct way of meeting potential partners - but it has a much higher likelihood of actually leading to good relationships with people who actually share some co…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 10:59 PM
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I’m sorry - I know that having a stranger say “that really isn’t as much of an obstacle as you think” probably just feels dismissive and obnoxious…but I’m going to do it anyway: being bald isn’t as much of an obstacle as you might think. 70% of men deal with hair loss…with 25% of them starting to lose their hair before 21. You see bald guys walking around with wives and girlfriends all the time! …And now I’m going to be obnoxious again, by giving the same advice that people always give on these …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 10:31 PM
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Out of curiosity…why is that unfortunate?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 09:46 PM
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…Not for me, honestly. I’m a demisexual - my attraction to a person is based entirely on emotional connection. And the funny thing about that is, whenever I tell someone, I ALWAYS know exactly what the response is going to be, and have started to just recite it along with them: “Oh - so you’re a woman?” I then have to explain that I’m a more extreme case than usual…but people ALWAYS say that because - when you move beyond those harmful AF “pill” echo chambers - it’s generally accepted that for w…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 09:36 PM
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Despite being one of those “blue haired liberal extremists” (😜), I couldn’t agree more. Personally, I’m a feminist who (like pretty much all of my feminist friends and loved ones) absolutely believes that men are also struggling, and that we need to take a much closer look at how to support the other half of the population, and help them become healthier and happier. And I have been trying like crazy to have those conversations, only to be shouted down and (for all intents and purposes) told tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 05:32 PM
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Oh, I’m lucky enough to have found him already (though it took me until my late 30s). But thank you! Have an awesome life! 😊
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 05:24 PM
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…It sounds like you’re all ass - so make sure you bill according to the massive size of that wiping job! ;-)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 05:22 PM
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In which case - despite thinking that your exit from the dating pool sounds like a loss to my nerdy single female brethren - I’m glad you’re happy, and are living your best life!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 05:21 PM
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…The irony being that you sound like EXACTLY my type (and the type of person that most of my other nerdy, cosplaying, bookworm female friends prefer). But hey - if you’re happy as is, I’m not going to disparage that! Just…it really doesn’t sound like you were in any way a “lost cause.” 🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 05:02 PM
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…Yeah. The first part of your user name is extremely apt. The second…not so much. Macaroni is pleasant and awesome! I did note that you didn’t in any way acknowledge just how much smaller those paychecks would have been if they had to pay for all the cooking, cleaning, and childcare services that their wives provided for free.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 04:26 PM
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Fun fact: the “original Incel” was actually a woman. Also, ymmv, but the only time I have EVER seen Incel used as an insult was for men who ARE bitter, angry people who regularly express profound contempt for women. A lonely single man is not an object of derision…and (as a woman who also happens to be on the spectrum) I tend to prefer men who are similar to me. 🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 04:22 PM
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I mean…mom’s hugs and kisses only matter if you want mentally, emotionally, and physically healthy children. Beyond which - if those women hadn’t been doing the cooking, cleaning, and child rearing, then these intrepid breadwinning men would have had to pay for all of that. Exactly how far would that paycheck have gone with all those (huge) additional expenses?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 03:50 PM
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Up until relatively recently, being a single woman was a miserable life. Because - with a few notable exceptions - women couldn’t really earn their own livings, so they either had to marry (whether they liked the guy or not), or they lived as socially scorned “old maids” who existed as burdens on their families. This hasn’t been true for awhile now…but even though socioeconomic factors changed, the social ramifications lingered. Now, we have finally reached the point where women truly DO have a …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 03:44 PM
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Though there are obviously always exceptions, many (if not most) women tend to find casual sex and one night stands pretty unsatisfying. To be more explicit: the chances of a woman achieving orgasm during a casual encounter are far, far lower than the chances of a man achieving orgasm under the same circumstances. Part of it is the mechanics of the act - with most men, achieving orgasm is just a matter of consistent friction. It may not be an especially satisfying orgasm…but it’s still usually a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 03:30 PM
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My rant was 100% triggered by a single (possibly throw-away) line in your post: “What if the best you can do looks nothing like the life you pictured sharing on social media?” I do apologize that I rambled off in a different direction from what you intended. I have just been seeing so much “women are superficial and glued to their Insta” crud lately that just seeing the line about social media set off a bit of a rant. That’s all!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 03:16 PM
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Honestly, I’d just love a way to draw more attention to your comment, because it’s so, SO true!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 03:03 PM
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I don’t think that they are “accused less of being delusional with their preferences.” I just haven’t seen nearly as many posts accusing men of being specifically fixated on social media. That’s all. YMMV
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 03:02 PM
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Keep in mind: with wages stagnating and housing costs through the roof, more and more young people are living with their parents for longer and longer. Even with combined incomes, having the money to actually start a household and raise a family is beyond an awful lot of young people…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 03:00 PM
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I’m not the original commenter…but I don’t think that’s true for most people. The things that I valued and wanted on my 20s are different from what I valued and wanted in my 30s. I mean, sure - I’m the same person I have always been…but I’m much more settled, happy, and confident with that identity. There’s this one guy that (back in my 20s) I would have married in a heartbeat. By the time I hit my 30s, all I could do was shake my head and wonder what the heck I was thinking…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 02:57 PM
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Good to hear! I’m going to leave my rant up - just because I have seen that charge leveled specifically at women so very often - but it’s nice to hear that you WERE talking about all people. Thanks for the extra clarification!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 02:50 PM
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(Edit: OP DID clarify that they meant “people in general.”) Now, this particular OP didn’t specify “women,” so maybe they DID actually just mean “people in general…” but I’m increasingly irked by this insistence that for women, being able to share pics with them with a hot guy is among the top things that they look for in a relationship. And sure - for some people (especially people who make their livings using social media) that might be true. But all you need to do is walk around just about AN…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 02:33 PM
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God, I wish I had one of those useless awards to give you!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 04:13 AM
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I know far too many research scientists to be tricked by such a clear example of “lies, damned lies, and statistics.” I mean, the study you linked LITERALLY included only 112 test subjects - all undergrad students. That is WAY too small and WAY too narrow of a subject group to mean much of anything. It’s the kind of preliminary study that is interesting, and merits further research…but it is NOT the dunk you think it is. It’s just the exact type of shoddy science that can easily be used to make …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 03:58 AM
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I do that kind of thing for my BF all the time! …unfortunately, he’s not super into that sort of gesture. D’oh! …In any case, you just need to find a partner whose love language is “acts of service.”
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 12:27 AM
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1981, huh? Well, then you should defer to your elders, young man! ;-D I have always been fascinated by the 60s. When it comes to the Boomers…I don’t mean to make things political (well…more political than gender relations inherently are) - but how the hell did the generation that produced the hippies, the Vietnam protests, the kind of counterculture that still resonates today, etc., etc. - become the driving force behind a hateful demagogue like Trump? I mean, yeah - the majority of people weren…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 09:29 PM
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…I’m also 42 - go team 1980? …Also, I’m assuming that many Reddit users have Boomers for parents, and the “sexual revolution” started in the 1960s, with birth control pills becoming widely available around the time of Griswold vs Connecticut on 1965. I mean, maybe YOUR parents and grandparents didn’t partake in that whole “free love / counterculture /Summer of Love” thing. …But if you do the math, there are BOUND to be a lot of the kids of former hippies wandering around the intertubes…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 08:41 PM
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…But to flip the coin yet again, a sexually active person is far more likely to get regularly tested than, say, a woman who has been in only one (ostensibly) monogamous relationship with a man who is actually a cheater. As for cheating, I’m significantly less worried about my “reformed man whore” of a boyfriend cheating, because he got it out of his system. There’s no FOMO - he has been there, done that, and decided that sex with one person he knows and loves is far more satisfying than a bunch …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 08:21 PM
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Ahhh. I didn’t notice that I was no longer debating with the person who made the statement that I found objectionable. I thought I was still arguing with u/WilliamWyattD In my defense, I’m currently recovering from neck surgery in the hospital, and am pretty wonked out!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 07:25 PM
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I’m literally just disagreeing with a specific statement you made. And I may have just missed it, but I didn’t see the word “fixation” in that post. I did, however, see “clinging” - a word that implies a tenuous hold on an “irrational” argument. Anyway…I just disagree with the idea that sexual autonomy is a “bullshit” that women are “clinging” to. That may not be what you meant…but it is what you said.. 🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 07:15 PM
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Right! Like, if someone’s grandma really got around in her youth, then settled down with grandpa and had a fifty+ year “til death do us part” marriage…is “promiscuous” still an appropriate way to describe her?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 07:09 PM
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I was responding to your statement: “…just clinging to some human rights based bullshit that anyone can fuck as many people as they want and it is all good so long as there is consent.” I rather take exception to the idea that anything you said qualifies as “bullshit.”
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 06:56 PM
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Sure, there are intellectual, academic, sociological conversations to be had. But personally, I believe that the impact of sexual shaming is far worse than the impact of promiscuity.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 06:33 PM
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K.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 06:20 PM
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Yes! This! Everyone is entitled to their emotions - but acting like their reason and logic must fly out the window the moment emotion comes into play, well…it’s kind of silly.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 06:16 PM
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…But it IS a basic human right, and - assuming they’re both eagerly consenting adults - people should be allowed to choose who they have sex with. And you’re well within your rights to choose to only sleep with women who haven’t had many partners. But - if they want to - women are well within their rights to sleep with more people than you deem appropriate. If anything, I’d say we need LESS nuance. It’s really a very simple concept.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 06:13 PM
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In no way did I ever disparage anyone else’s sexual choices. I simply pointed out that - by dismissing women they consider “run through” or “worn out,” or whatever ridiculous, shaming terms are being used these days - men could very well be disregarding happy, confident, and competent partners (in both sex and life). It may just be the circles I run in, but I’m one of the few “low body count” women that I know. And it simply isn’t an issue that matters with my friends and loved ones. Ultimately,…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 05:56 PM
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Quite possibly. I have also encountered quite a few men who were “man whores” in their youth, and this aren’t hypocritical enough to judge their partners for engaging in the exact same kind of behavior that they did…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 05:21 PM
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…Errr…it’s also quite possible that the young men hadn’t finished growing up by their early 20s…and neither had the young women? That what human beings want when they’re young genuinely shifts and changes as they age?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 05:19 PM
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I’d want the man with whom I best connected mentally and emotionally. Considering that I’m not neurotypical either, there’s a decent chance it would be the autistic guy, but you really can’t just boil people down to a few traits. 🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 01:50 PM
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Look - “it’s biology…we don’t need sources” is a rather silly cop out that assumes nothing has changed in literally thousands of years - something that is demonstrably untrue. Even something as seemingly fundamental as men liking “bug titties and nice shaped asses” has shifted with time and fashion. An obvious example being what was considered hot as hell in Ruben’s time is extremely different now. Even just within my lifetime, what is considered attractive has changed multiple times. Back when …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 01:58 AM
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Money and ambition may often go together…but it’s genuinely not what I’m thinking of when it comes to a romantic partner. Basically, a guy who doesn’t care about anything beyond just immediate pleasure just…isn’t interesting in the long term. Some people might channel their ambition into a well-paying job. Others might want to learn a new skill, or language, or instrument…just something beyond sitting on the couch and watching trashy tv. …Honestly, I have heard plenty of men on this forum expres…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 01:47 AM
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Sure, we’re social creatures. But that doesn’t mean we have to allow l these things to dictate the most personal choices in our lives. I think it’s rather tragic, a guy who would dismiss a woman with whom he otherwise connects on every level just because she (for example) had a “wild phase” in her youth. …Just like it would be silly for a woman to reject a guy she could have otherwise loved, just because he isn’t six feet tall. Finding love, intimacy, and true human connection is hard enough. Wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 01:28 AM
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…And you don’t see anything problematic here - disparaging such a huge subset of the population with a term that’s functionally just a more official-sounding way of saying “oh, yeah? Well I think you’re a slut?”
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 01:22 AM
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I just find it kind of sad that “what other men might think” is such a factor with something as personal as choosing a romantic partner. And before you say it: I think the same thing about women who choose men for superficial reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 01:18 AM
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I mean, I was under the impression that they were talking about the total number of men that a woman has slept with. But you make it sound like it’s more of an ill-defined concept: basically just “when women engage in sexual behavior of which I don’t approve.”
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 01:16 AM
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Who says she is? Honestly, I’m still not actually sure what qualifies as a high body count for a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 01:03 AM
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Having a “high body count” doesn’t mean that a woman in a committed relationship is going around having sex with “everyone they meet.” Beyond that…what number is even considered a high body count for a woman? I don’t actually know (though I’m reasonably sure it’s probably a lot lower than what would be considered a high body count for a man). …But I’m also pretty sure that a woman can end up with quite a few notches on her bedpost just over the course of standard modern dating. It doesn’t necess…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 01:01 AM
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…Sigh. Okay. I’ll bite one last time. I’m not “shocked.” I just think it’s silly, sad, and ultimately self-defeating. But yeah - you are, of course, welcome to your own preferences. It’s just a shame that you seem incapable of seeing any non-pathological reason that other people may not agree with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 12:53 AM
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…Yeah. For your sake, I hope you eventually outgrow this need to pigeonhole humanity into all those weird little categories. Humans aren’t that simple, man. But yeah - I think I have screamed into the abyss for long enough tonight. Goodnight.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 12:50 AM
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…Why on earth would I care about the dating opinions of men whose values are diametrically opposed to mine? They’re welcome to continue with their complaints, judgements, and double standards. I have no romantic or sexual interest in them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 12:47 AM
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Okay. So, women who have a high body count are incapable of love or intimacy, but men who do the exact same thing don’t suffer any of these ill effects. …And just because something has been regularly pointed out doesn’t make it untrue.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 12:38 AM
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…Riiiight. Women with a high body count are incapable of love. Got it. …Do you at least apply the same standard to men? Edit: and sure - maybe some of the men who don’t care about high body counts are just “desperate for pussy.” …But most of the ones I personally know just view their partners as human beings, and don’t believe that their sexual experience invalidates them, or makes them less worthy of respect. Granted, I tend to run in liberal, “intellectual” circles, so your mileage may vary. 🤷…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 12:32 AM
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Oooooh. Got it. I’m kind of out of the loop - I knew some subs were going dark, but wasn’t aware of the “purge week” thing!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 12:31 AM
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…So…vaginas: they aren’t made of memory foam. And believe it or don’t - it really doesn’t matter to me - but not all men share your specific preferences or personal hang ups. 🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 12:25 AM
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The man I thought was my best friend turned out to actually be a “nice guy.” He claimed that he wasn’t ready to “get back out there again” yet, either (I had just been through a bad breakup, and I really wasn’t ready to date). He later admitted (when he friend dumped me) that he had been trying to “Trojan horse” his way into a relationship with me - he basically acted like my boyfriend in all but name, and assumed that by the time I was ready, he’d be the obvious choice. I trusted him, and was a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 12:20 AM
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I mean, the person I’m “trying to save” is myself. I can strongly disagree with you without my disagreement being pop culture pathologized. Hence the jokes about white knights and princesses. Because I think you’re being rather silly. 🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 12:00 AM
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…I’m familiar with White Knight syndrome - my boyfriend was apparently one in high school. …I just happen to be a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 11:54 PM
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The opinion to which I was responding was when you said they should “remove themselves from the dating pool.” It was rude and unnecessary- particularly considering that there ARE people who prefer when a partner (especially a new one) checks for consent. In happier news: I get to be a white knight? Sweet! I never really identified too closely with the fairytale princesses - far too much boring, passive waiting around!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 11:17 PM
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Exactly! People upthread are acting like seeking consent must involve lengthy breaks for complex legalese or something. Reductio ad absurdum…bedroom style!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 11:14 PM
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…presumably you and your wife have a happy relationship, and it’s none of my business regardless. But my LORD, do I feel terrible for her. I’m not talking about body positivity, or fat ideation, or anything - but it’s a simple biological fact that women are supposed to have a significantly higher percentage of body fat when compared to men - particularly in the legs, butt, and bust areas. Again - you and your wife are consenting adults, and your lives and bodies are your own business. But I real…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 11:12 PM
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Unless YOU’RE the person they’re trying to date, you have no business saying that. A man being careful about consent is NOT someone who should be shamed!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 11:03 PM
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Keep in mind that, as social mores change, what’s considered normal and attractive change, too. What might feel strange to people my age will be normal to the generations currently coming of age. And that’s a good thing. BOTH genders needing to communicate their wants and desires will avoid so much unnecessary pain…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 11:01 PM
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“A lot left to cut on the legs and butt?!” Good grief - I’m sorry to be rude, but you talk about your wife like she’s a steak or something! Edit: Are you trying to get her down to just the “essential” level of fat? Because they call it “essential” for a reason. It’s necessary!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 10:50 PM
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It does truly baffle me that the men who complain about women having lower sex drives and the men who complain about women having too much sex are so often the same guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 10:48 PM
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This is NOT intended to body shame your wife - people can be healthy at many points outside “the norm” - but if she’s 5’5” or taller, 96 pounds qualifies as “severely underweight” on the BMI scale. So, I just really, REALLY hope she’s healthy and okay!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 10:39 PM
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Jesus. Please tell me she’s extremely short, because depending on her height, that could be a severely unhealthy weight!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 10:12 PM
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Yup. If there’s one thing men should hate, it’s a woman who is comfortable and confident in her body and her sexuality, and who knows how to communicate what she likes in bed. What a nightmare. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 09:59 PM
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If I recall correctly, that “movie star chiseled” look is brought out by severe levels of dehydration.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 07:59 PM
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The main thing to consider here is that people are different. What works for your mom would absolutely not work for me - and (based on what you have described) I suspect that’s more a matter of culture than of gender. And again - maybe your views will shift as you age. Maybe not. But one women’s experience doesn’t define the needs of her entire gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 07:47 PM
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Errr…that last line was rather condescending - particularly considering that I’m nearly twice your age, and am in a very happy long term relationship with a man who trusts me implicitly (and whom I completely trust), and who I would never dream of betraying. Have I been hurt in the past? Absolutely. Have I been betrayed before? Yup! But that doesn’t mean that I’m willing to lock myself away from trust and intimacy. Regardless…I’ll leave you to your own growth and development. Maybe your mind wil…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 07:33 PM
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I’ll be honest - I’m just a random internet stranger, but I worry a bit for you. One of the best parts of life is finding a person who truly trusts you, and whom you trust in return. Sure - there’s always the risk that you’ll get hurt. But the solution isn’t to control every single aspect of your loved one’s life. That just prevents true trust and intimacy. There should be room for some shades of grey in life. For example: “I’m not comfortable with my partner posting risqué pics on Instagram” is…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 07:21 PM
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No. You’d be called a cheater if you cheated. Simply maintaining contact with a friend (who happens to be a former romantic partner) is not “cheating.” I’m sorry, man - but it seems like you only believe that human beings can remain faithful of there’s zero temptation on either side. That’s not a healthy way to live - isolated from the world on both sides.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 07:10 PM
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Fair enough. It looks like a whole parade’s worth of red flags to me - but at least you know what you want 🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 07:04 PM
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Yikes. That is some seriously controlling behavior, man.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 06:56 PM
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You know - that feels like a pretty solid list for either gender!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 06:43 PM
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…ooookay, then. So - just to be clear: your argument is “women don’t experience fomo if they haven’t been with many men before they settle down with one partner, but men DO experience fomo if THEY haven’t been with many women before settling down with one partner. It’s different! For reasons!” …Got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 01:46 AM
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Errr…my initial response was just to tell you (in the kindest, gentlest way I could find) that you have zero idea what “all women” want…but, of course, neither do I. Because women aren’t a hive mind. We’re all different people, who want different things from life. …Regardless…I don’t know how old you are - but whatever your age, I DO believe it’s probably too young to give up on something that really matters to you. …And I have yet to EVER encounter a woman who just wants “all the dick.”
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 12:28 AM
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Look - I’m sorry if I sound mean. It’s not intended that way. But until you reach the point where you’re “the best man you could be,” you don’t ACTUALLY know that your conclusions are true. Until you actually become the best man you could be, then it sounds an awful lot like what you’re spouting is a self-fulfilling prophecy. And honestly…I don’t know you…but I’d very much like you to have more that
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 12:17 AM
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…By Which I presume you mean people. That’s why it’s so important for people of BOTH genders to get enough experience while they’re young to actually feel comfortable that they aren’t “missing out” once they settle down?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 11:45 PM
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The skills that guys pick up in good, healthy monogamous relationships DEFINITELY transfer - not just into other relationships, but as general life skills. You know…things like “effective communication.” 🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 11:36 PM
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Errr…you had me nodding along RIGHT up until you got to the whole “leftist propaganda” bit. What the heck is that all about?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 11:32 PM
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Errr…but - unless they’re also being profoundly dishonest- men who date lots are of women simultaneously are LESS likely to find a woman willing to commit to him. At the very least, I can say say that - as an inherently monogamous woman (can’t help it - I’m just not capable of being interested in more than one person at a time) - there’s absolutely no WAY I would even consider getting involved with a guy who is seeing a whole bunch of other women. No judgment - as long as everyone involved is A)…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 11:28 PM
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Hallelujah! I’m here to try to learn more about Men’s Right’s issues, and to try to learn to communicate and, hopefully, build a few bridges. It’s so disheartening, reading all the vitriol aimed against my entire gender. Thanks for the breath of rationality - because no…our goals truly aren’t in conflict.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 04:08 AM
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Very much this! I’m still trying to find specific examples of how women are disrespectful to most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 06:42 PM
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Errr…why? Personally, I strongly prefer nerdy guys. 🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 06:40 PM
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Fair enough! And it does seem to have worked out for you, so I’m happy for you! …And yeah. I may have let a little of my internalized misogyny peek out (it’s an insidious bastard!) when I accidentally implied that younger childfree women were likely to change their mind once the old biological clock started ticking. I mean…Yeesh. That’s pretty 90s sitcom levels of cringe!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 06:16 PM
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To be clear: I am NOT in favor of sticking my nose where it doesn’t belong, and other people’s relationships are prime “nose-free” zones. But - having once been a teenage girl - I’d say that the main issue is that what the teen generally values about the older man (independent, mature, knowledgeable about aspects of life that are still a mystery to younger folk, etc.) and what the older man generally values about the teen (physically attractive) are quite different. And - with alarming frequency…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 06:11 PM
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I already wrote a novel of a response about this upthread, so I’ll try to keep it brief, but just to share another perspective: you see hypocrisy when older women are uncomfortable with much older men dating teenaged girls (since many of these same women absolutely dated older men when they were young). Personally, as a teen, I watched an utterly ridiculous number of my peers get their hearts absolutely destroyed by much older men. So I view it less as hypocrisy, and more as a case of “oh, honey…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 06:01 PM
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Honestly, I’m not looking to get into an argument here - just to share some experiences I lived as a teenaged girl. Now, personally, I was never into older men - just not my preference. Also, I was more of a shy people-watcher type. But I did watch SO many of my peers…just, seriously…SO, SO many - get their hearts absolutely demolished by significantly older guys. The girls in question felt so special…so mature…so seen. A lot of them had less-than-perfect home lives…so (though I’m sure none of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 05:45 PM
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…This is NOT a judgement - just genuine curiosity: weren’t you worried that, by dating younger, you were setting yourself up for another situation like what occurred with your ex (ie having them decide years into the relationship that they wanted children after all)? I know the dating pool would have been significantly smaller…but it does seem like focusing on women your own age or older who didn’t have children would have been a safer bet, since chances are greater that these women had either a…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 05:17 PM
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…Reread your title. You DO expressly say that virgin shaming men hurts men more than slut shaming women hurts women. You may have tacked on a bit about how much it hurts women, too, but… oh…never mind. I don’t really get the sense that we’re going to have any kind of productive conversation here. I’m done. Goodbye.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 09:55 PM
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Good grief - why is this a contest?!?!?. I was COMPLETELY on board with your statement until you got to the “is way worse than slut shaming” bit. Is there truly no way you can make your point without gratuitously dumping on women?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 06:38 AM
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…Okay. I’m saying that the way you talk about women - YOU specifically - really rubs me the wrong way. I don’t really see a double standard here. Based on what you write, I doubt anything I say will get through (so this will probably be my last response) - but for just one example: you didn’t say you wouldn’t want to date a “man hating woman.” You said “man hating cunt…” and then talked about how - despite finding this theoretical woman despicable - you’d totally “pump and dump” her. I stand by …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 12:36 AM
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Sure…all women have a “type.” But that type is NOT just the same Ken doll with different accessories! For example, my ideal “type” is a computer/math nerd - either Skeletor skinny, or a bit of a “Teddy Bear,” with glasses, dark (or red) hair, and vibrantly colored eyes. That’s certainly not the ONLY type of guy I find attractive…but if I had to define my type, there it is. And out of all my female friends, I can only think of one who really goes for the traditional “Chad” type.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 12:29 AM
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…I think you’re missing the reason for the “ugh.” (Hint: it’s your attitude, and apparent contempt for women. “Pump and dump,” “man hating cunts,” “feminine acting,” etc. Just…I mostly try to stay civil and open minded on this forum…but in just one sentence, you gave me such a case of the icks, I’m strongly considering an extra shower today!)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 12:13 AM
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…Well aren’t you a charmer… (Ugh)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 12:01 AM
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Hi! Thank you for the well thought out, civil response! Perhaps I was insufficiently clear - I did try to acknowledge that (thanks to online dating being so oriented toward the superficial), good looks are a major advantage in OLD. But I feel like a lot of young men have internalized this particular facet of online dating, and now apply it to…the real world? The meatspace? Life beyond the internet? (Do you have a preference for what to call that?) In any case, I just get the sense that a lot of …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 11:15 PM
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Mostly, they just make me really, really sad. I used to frequent subs like “Incel Exit,” and try to convince the posters there that there absolutely is hope - even if they aren’t naturally 6’ tall adonises - but would regularly get shouted down. As far as I can tell, that type of incel is mostly people who have centered their entire identities around being “ugly and unloveable,” and have found an echo chamber that reinforces that belief while simultaneously providing an addictive level of commun…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 10:34 PM
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I already posted this above…but on the off chance you haven’t seen this particular comic before (I know it made the rounds years ago): https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/26/gender-wars-household-chores-comic
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 10:13 PM
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…this specific post is predicted on the idea that women put in more effort, and that the benefits are “a privilege.” I don’t generally agree. Hell - I’m not even sure I agree in the context of this post! …But it’s still a reasonable thing to say in this one specific context, when using this one specific post as a conversational starting point. 🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 10:10 PM
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Keeping track of the social calendar can be a mentally exhausting chore. And how exactly is it a privilege, if (in the scenario you described) the woman WANTS the man to share the responsibility? In any case, I’ll leave this here: https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/26/gender-wars-household-chores-comic
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 10:02 PM
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42, Female, long term relationship: I really, REALLY wish there was some way to convince some of the men on here that the man’s physical appearance is a relatively minor factor for many (if not most) women. Sure - since the profiles on OLD tend to be so short and uninformative (seemingly by design - last time I was on OLD, OKCupid was the only one that actually provided space to write), women are generally going to just match with men whose pictures are appealing. But in real life, a winning per…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 04:35 AM
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Sure, it’s a debate sub. I acknowledged as much. But it’s also one of the few spaces I can think of that’s dedicated to bringing “both sides” into a shared digital space. I was trying to communicate in good faith - to see if the guy I was talking with was actually open to genuine communication in a world that - as you yourself acknowledged - isn’t doing so well when it comes to constructive discussions between billions of people who (like it or not) ARE forced to share space with each other. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 03:41 AM
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Unless the woman in question was literally batting her eyelashes, talking in that weird “sexy baby” voice, and like…squeezing the guy’s bicep while giggling, then “I freeze when someone touches me” is NOT flirty! It is literally describing a common panic response (fight, flight, or freeze). Now, if she said something like “I freeze whenever such a cute guy touches me,” that’s very different! But - ESPECIALLY since this particular come on apparently involved making physical contact - dear lord, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 03:16 AM
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Hard disagree. A lot of those answers (ex: “I freeze when someone touches me”) express clear discomfort
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 07:11 PM
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Ha! Also…ewwww. No, thank you! Edit: I mean…not to kink shame or anything. If a Golden Shower was good enough for Zeus…who am I to judge? ;-)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 11:20 PM
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Honestly, I think most people have just landed in whichever echo chamber best suits their initial inclinations, and then end up with a LOT of mental baggage. By and large, I LOVE the internet. I love the fact that “our tribe” is no longer limited by the town we live in, and that now, pretty much everyone can find other people with whom they can truly connect. …It’s just a shame that some parts of that otherwise wholesome, affirming experience have gone so damn toxic… Edit: also - love the user n…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 09:56 PM
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Thank you SO very much for your comment! It can be really disheartening, trying to engage when both sides are so defensive and angry, none of the actual words manage to make it through all that static. Blaming each other is easy. Figuring out what went wrong - and how to constructively address and face the issues as fellow human beings - is so hard. So again…thank you! …It sounds like both your son and your daughter have a great dad. :-) Edit: or mom? I didn’t mean to assume! Regardless…the poin…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 09:46 PM
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I hear you - the system is definitely pretty broken. And - though I would dispute the idea that “industrial workers” have it easy - that isn’t really the discussion, here, so I’ll let that one slide. Ultimately - years ago, back when I was in your position - I learned the hard way that, if you don’t find a way to prioritize mental health, your own brain comes back to bite you. In my case, it derailed my entire academic career. Fortunately, I eventually landed right side up. But - as a college st…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 09:41 PM
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Okay - though I probably didn’t phrase it perfectly (I’m human and fallible, too!), 100% of my issue was with how some of the men on this thread talking - with great confidence (!) - specifically about what was going on in women’s minds, and were then shaming our entire gender for it. Clearly, y’all hate it when we do that to you - and with good reason! It’s obnoxious and presumptuous! …So why should we like it any better? Did that actually come across before? If not…has it made it now? Because …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 09:20 PM
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…Please know that this isn’t in any way an insult - just a statement of concern: have you considered therapy? Because it’s absolutely untrue that “women don’t want sex.” It’s just that most women need an emotional connection to truly enjoy it, and aren’t as interested in having sex with just anyone who happens to have the requisite body parts. But under the right conditions, sex is one of life’s greatest pleasures, and I’m genuinely concerned for you, that you view it in such a damaging way. :-/
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 07:02 PM
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Ha! Well, don’t get TOO ahead of yourself there! I do enjoy being able to pee standing up…but we are still VERY far off from me being able to write my name in the snow! ;-)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 06:50 PM
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/sigh Okay. I really don’t get the sense that communication is your goal, here…more just enjoying “dunking” on “opponents.” …I probably should have seen that one coming, given that I’m in a “debate” sub. Personally, I like trying to see things from a different perspective. I like trying to communicate with people who have different opinions from me. I really don’t know how I could say more clearly that I am approaching this discussion in good faith. There are a lot of shitty people out there - b…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 06:47 PM
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Dun…dun…DAAAAAAAH! 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 06:33 PM
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/sigh Saying that we don’t like having words put in our mouths…and the response? “Nuh-Uh! YOU started it!” …Is there ever any chance that we can all just share our experiences, and try to learn from each other? I was initially naive enough to think that’s what this thread was asking for…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 06:33 PM
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Personally, I have never dated anyone who wasn’t a friend first. But I’m admittedly a bit odd like that…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 04:11 AM
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…My boyfriend made the exact same joke ;-). But they DO now make those disposable cardboard thingies that women can hold up against themselves and use to urinate standing up! We truly live in an age of marvels! :-D
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 02:56 AM
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I think of it like this: Men are dying of dehydration in the desert. Women are dying of dehydration on the ocean. Very different circumstances…but the end result is the same…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 02:21 AM
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…There’s also the way that physical appearance basically ALWAYS seems to get worked into conversations that just happen to involve female public figures. Ex: Have a female politician presenting a bill? How fuckable she is (or is not) WILL somehow get worked into it. (Though I do think this one is getting a little better.)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 02:20 AM
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…Did you take this from me, or is this a case of parallel thinking? 😀
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 02:16 AM
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Ummm…nope. Definitely not. As a completely Cis “Vagina American,” it would get a little awkward if I did “have a problem with the pussy!” ;-) But your long paragraph about “getting the pussy,” etc. was a little cringe. It sounded very much like those ridiculous guys who used to wear stupid, fuzzy hats while teaching men about “negging,” etc. Kinda cringe. 🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 06:19 PM
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Men aren’t a hive mind, either. Which is why I participate in forums like this - to communicate, and to learn. The data we’re discussing here doesn’t concern women judging men - it concerns female porn habits. You clearly hate it when people talk about men as though they were all just the same person, doing the same things, thinking the same way, etc. But you’re doing the same thing with women right now. Are some women judgmental jerks? Absolutely. There are some awful women out there. There are…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 06:14 PM
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…This isn’t a contest. I started to write a response to what you said, but then I stopped, because right now, it isn’t really relevant. OP posted a study on women, and asked for theories on why it got the results that it did. I - a woman - contributed my ideas on why that might be the case. I’m truly sorry if you feel judged, u/Ohms2North. That’s definitely something to address in another thread. But my response regarded the female experience, and again - this isn’t some kind of “who is judged m…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 06:03 PM
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…just to clarify one very important part: me not thinking he was particularly attractive (I didn’t think he was “ugly,” per se. Just extremely “Meh.”) was NOT why there wouldn’t have otherwise been further dates. He was my friend’s roommate. I knew what he looked like before I agreed to the date, and his looks DEFINITELY weren’t a deal breaker. I would otherwise not have gone out with him again because the conversation at dinner was rather off putting. I later found out that he was very, VERY ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 05:54 PM
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I mean…I think Joseph Gordon Levitt is cute as hell, and am willing to bet that, if I remember to poll my female friends later, they’ll agree. Most women are NOT anywhere near as fixated on these “jawline / hairline / height / whatever” physical details as y’all seem determined to think we are!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 05:48 AM
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Most women prefer to have sex with a partner they trust, and that they know specifically values them.. Being endlessly hit on by guys who just want a place to sheathe their penises isn’t flattering.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 04:57 AM
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…I will, however, say that none of your examples involved “telling women what to do” - in a “gentlemanly way,” or otherwise. All of it seemed to be about being yourself, and if she doesn’t like that, oh, well. Oh, and then a bunch of cringey language about “the pussy.” But - if I ignore the previous comment (and the last paragraph of the longer comment), this is actually the closest I have seen to actual good dating advice on this sub!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 03:45 AM
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…wow. “She will hate you for the rest of your lives?!?!” Guess it’s time for me to call up my college best buddy and let him know that “sorry, but no…I can’t actually officiate your wedding to your amazing, totally badass fiancée, because you turned me down for coffee fifteen years ago, so I’m obligated to forever hate you with the fury of a thousand burning suns…” 🤣 …Here’s a better takeaway, guys: women are people. Men are people. There are no set “rules” that will apply to all women, because …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 03:34 AM
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…So, what you’re saying is that women tend to like confident, self-actualized men who are comfortable in their own skin? I don’t think I know anyone - male or female - who would dispute that! ;-)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 03:26 AM
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Here’s some advice from a female perspective: I know that pretty much no one here is going to believe me when I say that - for the most part - physical appearance isn’t as important to women as it seems to be to men. Yes, for most women, you need to meet certain baseline standards of hygiene, grooming, and self-care…but no. Your jawline isn’t usually anywhere NEAR as important as whether or not you can make her laugh, or carry on a really great conversation. When I first met my long term partner…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 03:19 AM
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…Okay…I’m genuinely a little confused. Do you genuinely believe that all sex is coercive, dangerous, and wrong? Or are you trying to make a point that I’m not quite grasping? Because I think sex can be an utterly beautiful experience: one of the best ways of “couple bonding” that exist. It can also be fun, or exciting, or a good way to pass what would otherwise have been a boring evening. If you genuinely believe that sex is coercive, dangerous, and wrong, then…well…are you doing okay? Do you ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 01:36 AM
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…Awesome. Whether or not I end up wholeheartedly agreeing with your response, I know I will appreciate you taking the time to communicate it. Honestly, I may sometimes get snarky or sarcastic in a response…but ultimately, I participate in forums like this because I want to communicate, and I want to learn. Thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 12:42 AM
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Good grief - there is just so very much to unpack in all your comments. And - considering how dismissive you are of absolutely everything I have said about common issues faced by women, I’m honestly not sure it’s worth even trying. The saddest thing is…it’s not a contest. I ABSOLUTELY think that body shaming and kink shaming is bullshit, and I call it out when people use something like penis size as an insult. That’s toxic bullshit - and the fact that it’s a common insult by both men and women d…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 11:34 PM
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…Either that, or men (at least most of the ones on forums like this) have already decided exactly why women do certain things, and are completely unwilling to listen when we try to tell them what we are actually thinking. A classic example: Chad. So many men here are absolutely convinced that the behavior that makes us uncomfortable when they do it would TOTALLY be panties-droppingly welcome if “Chad” did it. When, in reality, if a man refuses to stop hitting on us when we explicitly ask, for mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 10:37 PM
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A quick mental exercise: off the top of your head, how many common insults are there that are specifically focused on female sexuality? Without thinking about it, the tip of my brain has “whore, slut, slag, frigid…” but I’m pretty sure I could fill pages, if I were willing to drift to an online forum. It’s not that female sexuality is “less pathologized” than male sexuality. It’s that female sexuality is treated as an insult in and of itself. Whatever we do with what’s between our legs…there is …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 10:25 PM
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Ummmm…so your way of addressing this isn’t to…you know…stop acting like sex and sexuality is dirty and wrong and unnatural - but instead to say “women are filthy, gross degenerates - just like men?” Huh. Personally, I’d much rather say that, whatever you’re into, so long as it’s with a consenting adult, have fun! No judgment required! …But my view doesn’t involve nearly enough cringey words (“Simp?” Really?) …But - under all the delightful misogyny - there is a point there. Some women may very w…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 10:13 PM
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Nope! Pretty sure what she’s saying is that it’s damn annoying, how many men love to lecture us on what our sexual and romantic choices mean…what our motivations are…what we’re thinking…and (inevitably) how all of it means we’re filthy little hypocrites. The words get put in our mouths, and then we get shamed for what we didn’t say in the first place. …Or maybe that isn’t what she was saying. I’m not in her mind, so I’m comfortable admitting that I don’t know. But if she wasn’t saying it, well -…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 10:06 PM
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Honestly, I suspect that a lot of it is because - even if you think that “the feminists” out there are all judging you for your sexuality and your porn habits (which honestly isn’t the case - it’s human nature to pay attention to the loudest, craziest voice in the room…but we’re really not a hive mind, you know…), well…men being sexual beings really isn’t controversial. Even if it’s approached with an eye roll (“Men! What horndogs!”), a person would have to be pretty danged sheltered to be shock…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 10:01 PM
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…Hmmm…there really needs to be a term for this particular style of strawman. Straw-feminists? Nah. Too clunky. I’ll have to think on it. ;-)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 09:46 PM
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Sure. Of course. But in this case, it sounds like you’re saying that it’s likely that women who have fantasized about being raped actually ARE likely to enjoy being raped. I mean, I’m sure there’s a handful of people out there for whom that’s true - if you can think of it, then SOMEONE out there wants it - but it’s rare to the point of irrelevance in a conversation like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 09:44 PM
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Ummm…have you truly never daydreamed an idealized scenario that - in real life - you absolutely would NOT want?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 09:39 PM
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…By and large, the women who enjoy porn are not the ones faulting men for watching it. Women are not a hive mind. There’s really no way to so cleanly generalize when it comes to the preferences, words, and behavior of nearly four billion human beings.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 09:36 PM
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From the moment we understand what sex is (honestly, often before we understand), women are both A) extremely sexualized and B) judged harshly for their sexuality. We’re madonnas or whores…teases or sluts…frigid or easy. We so often get reduced to what’s between our legs, and who we allow to access it. It’s exhausting. Personally, rape fantasies aren’t my thing. But for the women I know who do enjoy those fantasies - it’s all about relinquishing control in a way that operates beyond those judgem…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 09:23 PM
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…Sure. That’s the beauty of private thoughts - I could be thinking “purple aardvark asparagus soup” for all you know. But - until you learn to read minds - maybe you should at least consider listening to what a metric buttload of women keep trying to tell you? You know…instead of just assuming that you know their inner thoughts and feelings better than they do?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 07:32 PM
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I’m really struggling to follow what you’re saying here. But - assuming that you’re going for the classic “women are all flaming hypocrites who don’t think ugly guys deserve to live” angry-man talking point - then ugh. No. Thanks for correcting me regarding my own experiences and opinions, but just…no. I regularly, happily chat with all kinds of people. Old men. Young girls. Attractive guys. Guys who look like Rodney Dangerfield impersonators. I know that the majority of men on forums like this …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 07:14 PM
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…Yeah. It can definitely be challenging, coming up with stuff to discuss with strangers! Honestly, I’d suggest that - if you can’t come up with some obvious conversation starter (ex: she’s wearing a t-shirt for a band you like), then it may not be a great idea to cold approach somewhere like the mall (a place where most non-teenaged people go specifically because they need to make some purchases). Now, if you’re, like, stuck in line for something together, that’s different! I know this is advice…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 06:39 PM
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The strawwomen that people making arguments like this LOVE to set up.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 07:08 AM
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…But have you noticed just HOW many modern icons and sex symbols just…AREN’T super manly? In fact, a lot of them veer more toward the “delicate, elfin, and pretty” side of things. There are studies that suggest that - over the past several decades - the hormones in birth control have shifted the “ideal male” further from “Gigachad” and closer to “pretty boy.” 🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 07:01 AM
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For one: abusers don’t generally start out being blatantly awful. They usually lovebomb, then separate their partner from their support system, THEN they gradually escalate their behavior. B) Few people are 100% toxic. Nearly everyone has redeeming qualities, and sometimes, it can be hard to forget the aspects of the person that you love - even when faced with toxic traits C) You’re declaring these men and these relationships “toxic,” but you’re an absolute outsider for 99% of them. My boyfriend…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 06:54 AM
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…No. “Nobody owes you sex.” That’s what they generally say. You are not entitled to women, because (unlike money) women are not a commodity. Women are people, and are allowed to choose who they date and who they sleep with. It’s really quite simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 02:06 AM
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…Okay. I’ll try this one last time. You are approaching a woman you find attractive because you would like to take her on a date. Beyond knowing she’s attractive, you don’t know anything about her. She doesn’t know anything about you at all - except that you’re the kind of guy who’ll approach a stranger and ask her out…which, for many women, is something that sets off alarm bells. Unless she just happens to find you overwhelmingly attractive, she has zero reason to agree to go on a date with the…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 11:19 PM
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Sure - but if you don’t take the time to chat with her first, then how on earth is SHE supposed to decide whether or not she’s interested in going on a date with YOU? I know that a lot of the men on forums like this don’t believe this, but for most women, physical appearance isn’t what determines whether or not she wants to go out with you. If you cold approach, then jump straight to asking her out, the chances of her saying yes are pretty low. If you show at least SOME interest in who she is as…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 08:07 PM
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/sigh …Okay - people regularly come on forums like this, and complain that they’re having no luck getting women to go out with them. If this doesn’t apply to you, then good for you! …But if it does, then maybe just considering an alternative perspective might be helpful? …But the reason I say “take a few minutes to chat with the woman first” is so SHE can figure out if she is actually interested in going out with YOU. I know that guys on subs like this generally don’t believe this…but when meeti…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 07:57 PM
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Exactly!!! Now, I do genuinely understand that modern dating is hard for men - but it’s so frustrating when these same men insist that it’s easy for women. They’re dying of dehydration in the desert. We’re dying of dehydration on the ocean. It may look pretty different…but it’s still fundamentally the same damn thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 04:50 PM
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Okay. Now, THAT doesn’t sound nearly as awful (or as utterly tone deaf) as your original post. Some advice: don’t approach women who have headphones in, are walking with their heads down / displaying other defensive body language, reading, exercising, performing tasks that clearly require concentration, or basically doing anything that screams “I do not want to converse with strangers right now!” I assume that this is obvious, but dark, empty parking lots or streets are also verboten. If you’re …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 04:37 AM
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Honestly…because your rhetoric sounds bombastic and contrived. Maybe you just spend time with a lot of really shallow people. I don’t know. But your argument about how “far left women are hypocrites, because they insist that men need to try harder to make more money” is just SUCH a reach. 🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 03:59 AM
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The key phrase is “had an enjoyable chat.” I have “enjoyable chats” with LOTS of people. Old men. Little girls. Attractive guys. Men who look like Rodney Dangerfield impersonators. I am NOT against nice conversations! …But what I don’t like is being overtly hit on by random strangers - especially when I’m sending off every possible signal that I don’t want to be approached. And no - I can very, very honestly say that the physical attractiveness of the man doesn’t factor in. I doubt you’ll believ…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 03:55 AM
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Once again - you hit the mail on the head with absolute surgical precision! Sure - we could try to explicitly list all the times, places, and ways that are “cold-approach appropriate,” but A) that’s impossible and B) then we’d just face complaints that we were making things far too complicated. So, instead, we just suggest not doing the cold approach at all. It’s a classic case of “sorry, class - but little jimmy’s inability to stop sticking his gum in teacher’s hair means gum is now forbidden t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 03:48 AM
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You’re about to become the first person that I follow on Reddit that I don’t know in real life, because you just flawlessly put into words all the vague ideas floating around in my brain. Because YES. This, this, SO much all of this!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 02:00 AM
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YES! I love just chatting with people! But when it’s obvious that the guy’s just trying to hit on me - without even taking a moment to learn anything about me - then no, thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 01:56 AM
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No. No, I have never, EVER heard a woman say “ugh! I was approached by a short, ugly man!” It’s “I was approached by this creepy guy who would NOT leave me alone!” Because that’s the problem. We do everything we can to indicate that we aren’t interested in talking…but so many guys just will not let up. …And once they do finally get the point, guys like that call us bitches and storm off.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 01:54 AM
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So…how much do you enjoy interacting with telemarketers? Because honestly, I view “cold approaching” in much the same way I view “cold calling.” Now, by “cold approach,” I mean just getting hit on out-of-the-blue. For example: the other day, I was outside trying to garden, and suddenly some guy is approaching my sweaty, dirty, exhausted self, and is trying to ask me out. It’s not a party. It’s not a social event. There is absolutely nothing to indicate that I’m looking to meet people. I’m just t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 01:47 AM
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eye roll …Sure, man. But just remember: for every example, there’s a counter example. It probably has something to do with all of us - men, women, non-binary, intersex…just ALL of us being individuals, with our own histories, cultures, preferences, needs, and desires. You use a very, very broad brush, sir. Sadly, it means you can’t make out any of the actual details in the picture you paint…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 01:08 AM
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…Yeah. I’m pretty sure you’re arguing with what imaginary women said in your mind. Stupid sexy scarecrows, showing all that straw… Edit: now, I absolutely have heard plenty of MEN telling other men that, to get women, they’ll need to bring in more money. But in my entire life, I have never once heard a woman say that. 🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 12:58 AM
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…It’s easy to idealize a life we have never experienced - especially one so far removed in time that it’s literally impossible to go there and try. …Personally, I like my milk pasteurized. I enjoy being able to walk around unchaperoned without bringing shame on myself and my family. I deeply appreciate being literate. And I love having a life in which I’m free to make my own choices - even if they’re bad for me. But I’m sure you could find some kind of commune or something, if you genuinely want…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 09:23 PM
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I’m not saying it was a “patriarchal conspiracy.” I’m saying that, in the past, women HAD to have a man, and (beyond the lucky few), how she felt about him didn’t really factor in. She was functionally - if not literally - his property. That is no longer the case, so men who previously simply had to exist to get a woman now have to actually convince the woman to date him. Men and women both have a lot more options in life now. …I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t want to go back to a life where “there …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:07 PM
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…Yeah. You are exactly the kind of guy that creeps women out - a man with that “hard-to-define, but we know it when we see it” quality that just makes the hairs stand up on the back of our necks. And you blame it on not being rich. And you blame it on not being a gigachad. But the reality of the situation is that it’s you. Your seething resentment and profound misogyny are NOT attractive to anyone, man. And I’m sure you’re convinced that you hide it super well. But I’m willing to bet my damn lif…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:00 PM
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…Riiiiiight. Wow. So, in your worldview, any “average” man in a relationship is with a “railed whore who sucked guys behind a public restroom.” Well, aren’t you just an absolute delight. With that excellent personality and genuine respect for the humanity of those around you, I can’t imagine why women aren’t falling all over themselves to be your “railed whore” or “sm.” …Whatever the hell an SM is.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 06:11 AM
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…To add on to your excellent post - women back in the “halcyon days” that OP is eyeballing through those rosy, rosy goggles of his…well…they had VERY limited options for their lives. They could get married. They could potentially work as maids or (if they had sufficient education) governesses. Ultimately, for most women, they had to accept whatever man offered to marry them (assuming they even had a choice, and the marriage wasn’t arranged), and just pray that the guy wasn’t awful. Now, women ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 06:02 AM
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…Okay. So - though I genuinely didn’t see much connection with what OP wrote - I did agree with a significant part of what you said. Both men and women have a lot of very unhealthy expectations forced upon them, and the whole “be strong and independent” thing that gets drilled into men’s skulls starting at infancy is utter BS, and extremely unfair. …But the ending to your comment just doesn’t connect. Again - there are so, SO many “perfectly average” men out there who are in happy relationships.…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 05:31 AM
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A) by and large, when people tell single men to “work on themselves,” they are NOT saying “go get rich, then the women will all bone you.” No…they’re saying to try to become the best version of yourself that you can be. To learn new skills and hobbies. To eat healthily and exercise. To try to dress in a way that flatters your body. To work on gaining confidence - through therapy or non-dating socialization - and learn to be comfortable in your own skin. Frankly, it’s all stuff that would benefit…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:47 AM
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…Either that, or women are individual people - not some monolithic hive mind - and there really are no general strategies to attract women, because we all find different things attractive? Personally, I’m a sucker for a math/computer nerd type - ideally the kind of guy who is honest to a fault (so I don’t have to keep trying to read his mind), and who can hold up his end of a good conversation on a variety of topics. I was lucky enough to find my super straightforward nerd boy - we celebrated si…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 06:01 AM
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…But women do get to live with the fallout of being considered a “Madonna,” or labeled as a “whore.” 🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 11:47 PM
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From my perspective (I’m a woman), I have repeatedly ended up absolutely emotionally devastated when it turned out that a guy I thought was a true, genuine friend turned out to just be faking friendship in the hopes that I would eventually end up in a sexual/romantic relationship with them. Guys like that tend to be brutally resentful, and truly horrifying vitriol comes pouring out once they realize that, no…no, it isn’t just a matter of “put in enough kindness coins, and eventually sex will fal…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 11:18 PM
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That’s fair! I don’t mean to infringe on a space not meant for me! …I’ll admit, though, that the absolute vitriol I see on most of the men’s rights subreddits genuinely scares me. I absolutely agree that men need much more support and compassion, and that men’s rights are important! But - other than being there for the men in my life - I don’t really know how to help provide that support, since it feels as though men’s rights activists hate me by default. Sorry again - I don’t mean to make this …
/r/MensRights08/05/23 03:19 PM
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…this will fall on deaf ears - but when my boyfriend lost his job a year and a half ago, I didn’t abandon him. When it took him until now to find a new job - I didn’t stop supporting him. When he found a job in which he thinks he’ll actually be happy (but that makes roughly half of his previous wage), I literally threw a party for him. I see so much anger expressed here regarding how men are dehumanized, or treated like they’re all just easily interchangeable pieces of garbage. A lot of that ang…
/r/MensRights08/05/23 06:06 AM
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Errr...I mean, she was kind of passive aggressive, sure. But some jack ass was holding her stuff random, and the day after she confessed her feelings to you, you say you don’t want to help her, but want her to just come over and fuck later? Yeah...I could see being kind of hurt and pissed off. Just my 2c.
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