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Ew.
/r/seduction29/07/26 10:35 AM
3

and have learned to just not compliment. ...instead of just like, tune down a bit.
/r/RedPillWomen28/07/26 05:16 PM
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Same with men in abusive relationships. You think victims of abuse are an accurate representation of genders?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 04:59 PM
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If she willingly stuck around to be in that situation long enough to be asked ten times, and eventually answered, "yes', then why wouldn't the guy have sex with her? Perhaps because it's a decent dude not wanting to fuck a woman who already said No 9 times until she herself comes up to him? Arguably, a decent dude would take his consequences waaaay before asking 10 times.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 04:58 PM
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Some abusers score with women despite their abusiveness =/= women aren't turned off by abusers, otherwise I would have scored myself since I am no abuser. And your "women want abusive men" is peak idiocy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 04:53 PM
2

Presence (physical and social/emotional) good body, ability to create sexual energy
/r/seduction26/07/26 07:34 PM
1

A woman changing her mind will say so. No need to keep asking
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 03:36 PM
1

But fucking her after not accepting a No and pestering her for a Yes, is.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:50 PM
6

Yup, be it men or women, those who aren't in tune with their own sexuality don't make good partners (at least for me).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:47 PM
0

You think it's the scars making them attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 09:51 PM
1

what do scars and smut have to do with assertiveness?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 08:01 PM
1

You think every man would welcome approaches by women he's not interested in? I doubt that tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:50 PM
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It's called being assertive and having a spine and secure individuals of each gender tend to be attracted to this trait. The lack of it is what often causes sexual disinterest, just like real aggressiveness tends to repel secure women. But you're also trying to start a debate pretending to know what women fantasize about and whether they're attracted to their partner, so idk if nuance is lost here.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:49 PM
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I read your comment as women being too vague, sorry if I misunderstood it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 04:49 PM
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Being extremely direct in flirting is sth undersocialized people wish for.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 04:18 PM
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Increasing amount =/= majority IQ too high?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 04:04 PM
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Women approaching men doesn't create the same dynamic. Why not? Putting all the pressure on women to make the first move incentivizes them to become go-getters and more aggressive, which can create an unsafe environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 04:01 PM
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No worries, market keeps growing nonetheless. And suspicion is good, I'd recommend every man planning to pay large sums to a stranger to be very suspicious.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 07:08 PM
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Yeah, attractive people tend to attract people more easily, don't disagree. still can't figure out what your 2+2 means, tho
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 07:00 PM
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Plenty of women, too, trying to tell them that looks and attraction aren't the same, that different women are attracted to different types, etc. Yet you don't build your world view based on what these women say?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 06:22 PM
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Learn to flirt.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 06:16 PM
1

People don't get the truth from other person's opinions on subjective matters?!?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:21 PM
2

I mean, why would one believe statements like "exceptions don't exist"?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:06 PM
2

Taller than me.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:04 PM
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In general, dating is treated like there should be one solution or one way that magically guarantees a gf, because we all share the same brain and the same preferences. BuT woMeN sAy thEY wAnT a goOd chaRaCteR Yeah, yet some women want to marry criminals. WoMeN onLy liKe bAdbOys and rApiSts. And yet most of us don't want such a dude. YoU muSt bE 6 ft 6 tO geT a Gf Countless women happily paired up with shorter guys. If struggling men would treat every woman they interact with as an individual in…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 03:27 PM
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You only need to cross her baseline, the rest is up to your skills
/r/seduction20/07/26 07:02 PM
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I fully believe you, no worries :) But your own, personal experiences aren't representative for every woman, yk
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:17 PM
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Basing one's sex life on statistics is the actual bummer here
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:10 PM
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I'm saying that's every woman's individual decision, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:00 PM
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Lol sure they work, just not with the guys relying on them.
/r/seduction20/07/26 04:48 PM
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Your lack of gratefulness towards someone taking the time to give you an answer is weird, too.
/r/seduction20/07/26 04:47 PM
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The "innocent" flirting, like smiling, compliments etc.can be done with any person of any gender. And it's actually a very good exercise to improve social interactions, approach anxiety with strangers, controlling the mood etc. Flirting with sexual innuendo, like you telling a girl you had to stop because the way she licks her ice cream remembers you of that summer day bla bla, is not something one usually does with their friends, so I'd say there's quite a bit of a difference. Surely enough, th…
/r/seduction20/07/26 04:07 PM
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Another guy already gave you a pretty good answer regarding that, so my 2 cents are only: anyone who blindly copies lines from a book and expects to get girls, deserves not to win.
/r/seduction20/07/26 03:57 PM
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game is not the issue, game actually can make girls want you. copy/paste of cringey negs/comments, *that's* the issue.
/r/seduction20/07/26 12:12 PM
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since you seem to have no issues approaching, why don't you have just a normal talk with them? sounds like that would have worked better on b-day-girl and lighter-girl.
/r/seduction20/07/26 11:26 AM
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Game is the ability to create sexual spark between persons. You can study all the books out there, watch youtube "gurus", learn negs and DHVs and all this useless stuff.. but you won't get a single step further until you don't go out, talk to girls, see what works and what doesn't. It's most of all learning by doing, you need to develop your own, personal game in order to be really successful.
/r/seduction19/07/26 02:28 PM
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Parallel dating? Depends on the girl tbh
/r/seduction19/07/26 01:53 PM
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If you're parallel dating, you need not to care about who sees you. And no, you don't state this explicitly via text.
/r/seduction19/07/26 01:44 PM
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Exactly, attitude can make or break attraction.
/r/seduction18/07/26 05:01 PM
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Bad breath neg??
/r/seduction17/07/26 07:54 PM
2

But not by externalizing the burden of development that comes along the way
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 04:30 PM
2

Then let me correct it "...waiting for a girl to help them become a well rounded individual able to navigate properly"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 04:22 PM
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The ones among the below average men who still succeed in the dating/marriage aspects are the ones not waiting for an angelic patient perfect girl to save them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 04:19 PM
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And people would draw oversimplified conclusions from said studies and sometimes spin a whole new pill out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:43 PM
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A study stating 95% of all women like the color pink, makes the 250 million loving blue not untrue or lying, yk
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:32 PM
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Never crossed my mind, and while thinking about why ..I want to refer to them as men, semantically, yk. Like, male and female is an adjective for me, or a noun used in biology. That's why I used female as an adjective to narcissist, just describing the gender. Grammatically: thanks! :) I was thinking for quite a time about a better way to phrase it
/r/seduction16/07/26 04:53 PM
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Tell me a grammatically better method to say what I say here. This is a genuine question, I'm no native. Human males love female narcs, too? Men love women narcs, too? (sounds wrong to me) Men love narcissistas, too? (I like this one, actually :)) So please tell me, did I really make a mistake?
/r/seduction16/07/26 04:45 PM
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Grammar nazi 😁 guilty :) For the record I even used girls. Point taken. I didn’t realize there was one more (the first) comment. Yeah, the usage of males is what makes it even more confusing tbh
/r/seduction16/07/26 04:43 PM
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The passive aggressiveness comes from you calling women females. And not even once using the word "women" whereas "men" seems to be sth you know how to use. And yes, it's okay to be used as an adjective, as I (we both) did in female narcs etc. But "men and females" gives the incel-ick.
/r/seduction16/07/26 03:35 PM
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I don't envy any narc, no worry :)
/r/seduction16/07/26 03:33 PM
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"More men than females" tells me everything I need to know about you, have a good life.
/r/seduction16/07/26 03:28 PM
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Internet abbreviation for narcissist
/r/seduction16/07/26 03:19 PM
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Men love female narcs too, for the same reasons. This isn't a gendered issue.
/r/seduction16/07/26 03:15 PM
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like are u sitting there and rating *other people's partners* by their attractiveness???? weird and creepy, like tf, care about your own love life.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 02:03 PM
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ik
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 11:27 AM
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If you had more than 1 relationship in your life, there will always be certain aspects in which your ex(es) were better/more compatible etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 10:37 AM
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Today's men already feel bad enough for not getting women, imagine how they'd feel if they aren't the ones getting chosen and approached by them?!?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 10:13 AM
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They do. If they don't take initative with you, there are probably reasons for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 10:11 AM
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Nah, it's the mindset behind that choice
/r/seduction15/07/26 02:36 PM
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I'm fine with most, as long as women aren't reduced to their hole.
/r/seduction15/07/26 02:12 PM
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a situational one maybe. Or ask them something about *them*. Once you're in the conversational flow, it doesn't matter as much what you say
/r/seduction15/07/26 02:08 PM
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not OP obv
/r/seduction15/07/26 01:37 PM
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nah, comes across either as a tired pickup line or insecure validation-seeking
/r/seduction15/07/26 01:33 PM
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yeah calling it "getting pussy" is 100% gonna help
/r/seduction15/07/26 01:07 PM
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nope.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 11:19 AM
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Also, you can’t blame men for desiring a woman still willing to do the trad-wife duties despite having to work. Idk if men get blamed for that, but expecting a working trad-wife is surely a take that might get criticized in terms of equal labour.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 08:01 AM
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Idk about the rubbish, I like your take a lot!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:05 PM
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The mother's sense of security based on being in a relationship built on mutual trust?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:57 PM
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If you don't have that genuine desire for a relationship, okay. But assuming you know anything about what you lack of is pretty far fetched.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:52 PM
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I mean, there's every kind of advice out there, it's in the individual's own responsibility to decide which one fits their situation/personality
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:38 PM
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it’s a far more effective strategy for dating Then I don't see the issue here? Do what works for you and stop giving a shit about what online randos say
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 06:45 PM
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I suspect people with a very narrow perspective on how or why dating works to not have a lot of experience in either dating or self reflection
/r/seduction14/07/26 04:54 PM
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No contradiction, just a "some"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 04:46 PM
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Usually people don't want to be intimate with someone they don't desire. My question was just an attempt of "perhaps they see the other perspective", and, as you correctly stated, it doesn't have to do with anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 04:25 PM
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Would sharing your life and sleeping with someone you're not attracted to, be easy for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 04:06 PM
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Some women will settle for less than a billionaires lifestyle vs Women get in relationships for the sake of having a relationship and not because they actually like the person. See, I have no issues agreeing on your statement :)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 04:02 PM
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Yeah, I mean, I see how one might consider to have a billionaire's tongue in their mouth for the sake of living a billionaire's lifestyle. But a relationship with an average dude brings neither status nor enough bucks to deal with the lack of attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 03:34 PM
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What's the sake of being in a relationship with a person you don't like?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 03:22 PM
4

then we agree to disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:46 PM
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according to OP, men’s lower standards are an arbitrary, blame-free baseline, while women’s higher standards are a self-inflicted problem for which they alone should bear the consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:16 PM
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Read the title again
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:02 PM
7

well, the low(er) standards aren't blamed here, are they?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:58 PM
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ain’t this post something you considered, formed an opinion on, and ultimately deemed worthy of presenting to a debate forum? like, no intellectual posturing here?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:51 PM
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when will people like you finally accept that low standards are nothing to flex about; be it women or household.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:38 PM
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you're pathetic for doing that
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:20 AM
9

Huh, who is genociding men?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:12 AM
8

So if we reduced the female population, suddenly the women that are left over will start paying us? probably. but I wouldn't recommend reducing the female population, even if you need money that badly.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:51 AM
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lol, your source is about Latvia. The country’s male surplus is three times the European average. are we discussing demographic exceptions now?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:04 AM
6

who stops them from wanting these women?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 06:59 AM
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then everyone seems to be okay, what should be debated here?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 06:50 AM
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Many men will knowingly waste time and energy on women who they know that if they didn't always pay for dates and spend money on them, they wouldn't like them. And they are actually okay with it. are they, tho?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 06:31 AM
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The ease with which he flirts with you [...] that’s a guarantee he’s never going to be checking out other women, entertaining them, pursuing them Lol, ever been with someone who cheats cause the slightest interest of another woman makes them feel so excited? Cheaters cheat, be it Chad or Dennis.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 04:23 AM
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Yeah and the poster you initally replied to meant the same! At least imo. They said that they CAN'T see how pussy is NOT more valuable. Like, they cannot see how this isn't the case. Or I am very wrong here.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 04:16 PM
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Isnt this a double negative? Can't see how pussy is NOT more valued than d
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 03:25 PM
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Nah, she's not it. And you are not the one playing her, be careful.
/r/seduction13/07/26 03:21 PM
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"doing bad things" = tells u unprompted stories about her sex life. But kudos for overcoming the trauma of your 1st girlfriend and eventually being able to tell someone what you want to hear and what not.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:14 PM
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women will tell you themselves, unprompted nah, the women *you* date do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:00 PM
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how so?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 09:03 AM
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I mean, if the only benefit of a friendship is sharing struggles, then I actually understand your viewpoint. thank you for the explanation.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 08:36 AM
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you feel men understand women's struggles?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 08:23 AM
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and don’t do platonic friendships with women because it’s not beneficial to me. how are friendships not beneficial to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 08:20 AM
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Nah I mean like in easier than for guys with zero experience. But you're right, it can go downhill for them, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 07:01 PM
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My opinion, too. Still, countless people struggle.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 01:35 PM
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Yeah, this can happen, too. I was speaking in (very broad) general terms
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 01:30 PM
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It's easier for men who already have experience with women. Starting from zero at 30 is definitely harder than doing the same at 20.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 01:22 PM
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Exactly - and yet, countless threads online where the mere existence of smut is seen as proof of what women are actually into.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 10:39 AM
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Depends on the situation. Be aware of your surroundings, how your target behaves, how the social rules in this area are and many more... and adapt your approach accordingly. In general, I'd say a good indirect opener followed with flirting is rarely wrong. Work might be a strong exception.
/r/seduction12/07/26 10:04 AM
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I think it only gets problematic (in both cases) if conclusions to real-life behavior are drawn. Like, suggesting a woman getting off to rapey Vampire billionaires actually wishes to be raped.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 09:06 AM
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If the way you approach women gets you kicked out of bars, I see the issue here
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 08:45 PM
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If they listened as eagerly to everything else women say..
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 07:25 PM
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As real as OPs statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 07:20 PM
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I don't see how one would actually debate if the premise is already "men good, women bad". But, ok: since the majority of us are shitty, narcissistic partners who don't see men as human beings, you should be grateful you dodged that bullet.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 07:19 PM
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If you see no issue with a sweater written "sit on my face" on it, you must have an unique understanding of socially adequate behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 06:38 PM
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He got over 1200 chats and more than 2000 matches
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 06:30 PM
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Yeah and taking that as proof that personality doesn’t matter
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 04:41 PM
2

Yes, that's true. Also valid for male obsession with dick size and height
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 04:41 PM
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Like, what conclusion? If the interest is mutual, something will happen, if not, then not.
/r/seduction11/07/26 02:12 PM
2

U think being exceptionally good looking is not enough reason for a certain kind of women to be interested?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:11 PM
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...then he would have matched superficial women and the conclusion would have been -again- how superficial women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:49 PM
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What do you mean with right intentions?
/r/seduction11/07/26 12:44 PM
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Yeah, but touch starvation can be eased by cuddling friends and family :)
/r/seduction11/07/26 12:27 PM
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What a surprise, a dude who only likes women who fish, owns 33 snakes, wears a sweater with "sit on my face" and claims his main interest is "memes" along with only having a high school diploma and spending his days swiping millions of women ... ... doesn’t appeal to the great majority of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:20 PM
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Ah, now I read it, thx
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:31 AM
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I assume a simple yes or no from you would have fallen under the same premise
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 10:57 AM
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Usually, we aren't as thirsty and desperate for sex, since casual sex experiences have a high chance of being disappointing.
/r/seduction11/07/26 10:18 AM
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So roughly 40% of the kids don't get child support?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 07:34 AM
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Tf u claim to know what I get sexually excited about?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:12 PM
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Thank you. I think we live in a society partially shaped by patriarchy. To varying degrees
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:55 PM
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hope u don't mind answering mine first
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:21 PM
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You perceive female vulnerability like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 05:19 PM
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Women don't like whiney crying emotionally fragile bitches for men Like, you know you don't have to behave like a whiney crying emotionally fragile bitch when you're vulnerable??
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 04:36 PM
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No she isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 04:34 PM
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Is society the same as patriarchy for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 04:29 PM
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To an extent - which varies individually - yes Edit: I'd like to add that your reframing from "being behind" to "sucking at" is annoying
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 07:27 PM
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what's not factual about my summary?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:06 PM
1

? I mean why shouldn't we take them seriously
/r/seduction09/07/26 06:06 PM
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I would assume there ain't one single reason for whole womanity
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:05 PM
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I agree but women won't date or take a man seriously that is above their league With all due respect, idk if your data base is representative here
/r/seduction09/07/26 05:06 PM
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Factual recounting would be to say that a woman left her husband due to financially destructive irresponsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 04:56 PM
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Investing money i.e.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 04:32 PM
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I've never seen anyone citing society as a source but ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:55 PM
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He's flirting, I'm flirting back, we're mutually escalating each other to whatever we want from each other. let things develop naturally how'd that look like? you find yourself suddenly bf and gf?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:39 PM
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wants proof, rejects proof, accepts only proof confirming his world view, repeat ad nauseam.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 08:52 AM
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Also, since Esther Vilar wasn't an idiot incapable of making basic observations of human behaviour u sure? "One of man's worst mistakes, and one he makes over and over again, is to assume that woman is his equal, that is, a human being of equal mental and emotional capacity."
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 08:26 AM
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I was interested whether there are personal motivations behind this post or not, hence my question.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 08:21 AM
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are you one of these men, wishing to be approved?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 08:04 AM
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In my experience, a man who does his own thing and doesn't conform is usually quite unaffected by society's lack of approval.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 07:39 AM
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You mix up attraction and sex here.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 05:37 PM
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Context = thread title, so yup safety in the dating realm.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 05:32 PM
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I quote u/Happy-Stranger-7108 here, for making perfect sense again: What you wrote takes nothing away from what she originally posted
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 05:12 PM
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Indeed
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 05:02 PM
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I don't see how my answer called that into question
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 04:58 PM
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but why does your answer barely show a vague idea of what's asked and what's answered
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 04:56 PM
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Less physical danger, less slut shaming, less to shave before a date Edit: thank you, Minxi! 💖
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 04:47 PM
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Because she loves you???
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 03:52 PM
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Imo the problems only occur if the partners are unwilling to teach/learn.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:56 AM
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That's true, sorry!
/r/seduction07/07/26 09:16 PM
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Sure you can, why shouldn't you??
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 09:13 PM
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bro you'd rather me bashing him than offering practical ideas for the future
/r/seduction07/07/26 08:02 PM
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How'd you think people not born with these traits are getting good at them?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:12 PM
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Create situations where you both get closer, like take her hand to have a look at her jewellery, grab her waist and dance with her to a good song, walk to the window and show her something while adjusting her position to get the best view... This isn't meant as an initiation for a kiss, but your dates are ideally sprinkled with this kind of situations, because: - you see how she reacts to body contact - guys having platonic dates and finally trying to kiss one out of the blue can indeed give off…
/r/seduction07/07/26 04:15 PM
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worry not, good boy
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 04:09 PM
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Me! :)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 03:58 PM
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Idk, as long as one surrounds themselves with reasonable people, they tend to hype you up if needed and tell you to do better if necessary. Angry online people aren't society and although it's understandable to be frustrated by them, it doesn't lead to anything, as you see here. People come here to argue, not to show their emphathetic side. Fortunately, one can successfully initiate changes in their own, personal surroundings. I would encourage every man (and woman) to seek out emotional validat…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 03:14 PM
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the narrative of asking for how long people, especially minors, had unlimited access to an unlimited number of porn videos? huge assumptions and over generalized conclusions in this question, yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:36 PM
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transition phase. add Corona, socially stunted teenagers with porn access, social media et voilá, loneliness epidemic
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:39 PM
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and for how long have people, especially minors, had unlimited access to an unlimited number of porn videos?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:19 PM
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the 60 IQ boys did just as well as 120 IQ boys indeed. your paper is measuring intercourse, not flirting skills and - still - says that average IQ people do better than both extreme ends of the spectrum. Now I don't see how this contradicts my original statement: "60 is mentally limited, but average IQs tend to flirt way better than 120's" So unless you think that borderline retarded boys are decent at flirting, perhaps other behaviors are involved decent enough for the women they get, just like…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 11:16 AM
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Men aren't a hivemind, many of them value character over looks and can resist temptations. Emotionally immature, superficial men (and women) are incompatible with happy long term partnerships.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 09:18 AM
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and yet so many refuse to believe your simple truth.
/r/seduction07/07/26 08:54 AM
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sounds both pretty pathetic to me, but fortunately, everyone is responsible for their own happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 08:52 AM
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you talk like you'd know more about women's motivations than we ourselves do
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 08:40 AM
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Black Pill is just an easy, often misogynistic excuse.
/r/seduction07/07/26 08:17 AM
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pre-used? fresh? are you talking about bodies/sex like ..from a theoretical standpoint?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 08:11 AM
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there are a lot of very kind Chads out there, just to say
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 08:04 AM
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Do you believe that boys with IQs around 60 can do this careful dance better than boys with IQs around 120 60 is mentally limited, but average IQs tend to flirt way better than 120's
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:52 AM
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must be tough for a man not being able to live according to his own moral standards for it would hurt his chances of getting laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:37 AM
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because they say they're attracted to kindness and fuck Chads? or is there any other reason about female dishonesty I haven't heard yet?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:35 AM
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well, yeah, it takes social skills to make sexual energy land with women beyond the tradwife-to-trailer-park demographic, this shouldn't be a surprise.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:23 AM
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never in my life I spent so much time thinking about men's physical features as you appear to do. my exes are of different sizes and races and I was attracted to everyone of them, if that's enough information.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:52 AM
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Doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re not lying about them though what reason do you have to assume I'm lying??
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:37 AM
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you do know there's not only Chad and balding Indian janitors??? Men are waaaay more diverse than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:35 AM
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I agree with you, if people put in more effort instead of complaining, they'd all probably see more success.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:33 AM
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At least if women would be honest about only being attracted to the top percentage of men because we are not *only* attracted to them. but you're right, I have a very strong dis-attraction towards men who try to tell ME who I am attracted to/I'm lying about my own preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:25 AM
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Men go where the women are, and women actively avoid places in real life Because men are trying to date in real life. Men are online and irl, and they like neither of both places?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 04:26 PM
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they'd be putting themselves out there and complaining about men not being there. Why complaining? There are enough men out there. There's a reason for extroverted/outgoing people being partnered up more often.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 04:19 PM
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But not in equal amounts Equal amounts regarding what exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 04:16 PM
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And what many red pillers greatly overestimate is the looks one's gotta have in order to get their foot into the door. Ugly, socially awkward, autistic people fuck around all the time, assholes, lazy bums, cheaters, xanthippes, fat women, bald men, among every category there are people getting sex. t's not that your fate is engraved in stone if your wrists are under 22 cm and that's what I don't like about the online discourse around it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 03:43 PM
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That's okay, I didn’t intend to fight it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 03:24 PM
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I mean, it's no coincidence that OLD favoring looks and people socializing less and less lead to the male impression that it's only looks helping you get your foot into the door. What would be wiser (at least imo) is working on all of them: hit the gym, make money, learn to socialize and flirt. A combination of important skills/halos leaves you with the best chances. And might have some eye-opening effects on what loud online-women want vs. what the women you meet irl want. With that said, I thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 03:24 PM
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Nah, reality is people always judge appearance, too. It's just that emotional maturity and focusing on looks rarely goes hand in hand, so there's a bunch of different opinions regarding the importance of height money etc. Of which many are hypocritical, yes, especially online. But I can assure you, there are a lot more things women can be genuinely attracted to than only aforementioned hard stats.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 03:12 PM
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If your seeked out results are banging superficial girls, yes, then I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 03:05 PM
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Mainly. I don't think many women would say no to these traits, but usually, these aren't core standards for a relationship. Like, many men wouldn’t mind having a girl with perfect boobs and ass, yet if she isn't able to communicate properly, they won't be happy. I'm assuming here, so please correct me if I'm wrong with my last paragraph.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 03:04 PM
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They matter much less? For people not having them, maybe. I agree with you on women's standards being higher than ever, but to me it seems that's more about being able to communicate, being emotionally open etc. Although there is enough idiocy out there to find a video for any maxxed out standard. Relying on soft skills and being kind only is essentially fantasyland Relying on body only is essentially Clavicular, hiring paid actors to sell his fantasyland.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 03:00 PM
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Yeah, a lot of men think women mainly want someone pretty, strong and more articulate than them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 02:42 PM
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Since I do not know too much about the red pill, may I ask you whether they put the same emphasis on soft skills as communication, listening etc as they do on weight, money etc?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 02:40 PM
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Or would it make more sense to ask ourselves how we can improve our social and communication skills, accepting that you can’t force attraction? this would be an excellent idea. and I'm sure everyone who ever fell head over heels for someone who's "actually not their type", but oh so charming and lovely and sexy, would agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 02:17 PM
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oh, i don't think so, but since I see your "standards" for male beauty (22 cm wrists! who tf even cares about wrists) I'm even more of the opinion this obsession of yours has a lot to do either with men's dicks or pussy envy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 02:03 PM
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Why is this a problem with the man? because they do this: So they just agree to it to keep the peace. Relationships need conflict to grow, not someone who goes along with it on the surface yet holds resentment.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 01:52 PM
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yes - vacuuming 35 times a day is probably unreasonable. yes - saying yes to such a request is equally unreasonable. happy now?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 01:32 PM
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I think we both basically have the same opinion, for me it's just semantic details:)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 01:29 PM
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how so?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 01:23 PM
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louder for the ones in the back, since my original "exaggerated demand" wasn't read by you. just as unreasonable as someone saying "yes" to such a request.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 01:22 PM
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Idk why y'all are that focused on how easily women can get dick. It wouldn't be much harder for men, just to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 01:21 PM
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even if they agree to it because they like you so much really? is it because they like me that much? aren't they happy with vacuuming 35 times a day, then? or are they conflict avoidant and don't want to say no? which seems to a more realistic approach, regarding the fact that most people don't have such exaggerated demands.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 01:19 PM
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>> Is she a toddler who can't understand what she's being told and is demanding to be parented? only if she agrees to the 35 times a day, vacuums once and blames external factors for not being able to do it the other 34 times
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 01:11 PM
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And it *is* indeed weaponized incompetence to excuse the lack of emotional skills with "a stunted toddler brain". There's therapy, there's working on emotional/conversational/listening skills, there's countless options for someone who - as an adult! - lacks that many aspects of emotional maturity. They might be dumb, but they refuse to work on it, that's what makes them better to avoid.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 01:09 PM
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Your first point enables the narrative. everything I say in here enables the narrative of a height-looks-focused individual.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 09:30 AM
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But a lot of women won’t because it “might make women look bad" or because these men don't want to hear that social skills are necessary, that flirt skills and charme go further than being 6ft tall, that women are individuals with varying opinions and mindsets, which can be the complete opposite without one of them lying, yk. It's annoying af if you try to bring nuance into a discussion and get an answer like "buT yoU WoMen SaY" I mean, hard to have a nuanced discussions with people who build th…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 08:53 AM
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Exactly!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 09:38 PM
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People can't even decide about Sydney Sweeney's rating, how can u still be under the Illusion of looks being objective? Moreover, you seem to forget that relationships are based on more than looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 08:45 PM
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You are the one bringing this into discussion instead of sticking to the topic by answering OPs question.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 08:40 PM
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This comparison is happening in your head.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 08:29 PM
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But how can u learn from other men how to become attractive for 1 specific girl? Unless you get inspiration from her exes ofc
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 07:29 PM
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To one specific woman or the type of woman you want?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 07:18 PM
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A man seeing his own attractiveness as the ultimate status symbol is a red flag. Same for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 07:08 PM
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Are they happy with what they accept?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 07:05 PM
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Likes aren't a set number, tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:20 PM
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Aww, never got that little heart before, thank youu! Tbh, I have the same impression on your second half, so I guess we're even :) All I say is, your fallacy-theory applies to everyone. If you want to make a "who has it worse" out of it, I'm not gonna participate.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:56 PM
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Like, if ALL of your matches are "trash" as you like to call it, putting in the effort to get better quality matches. Like, if you get some good matches and fumble the talk, probably some work on social skills. Filtering is important if you waste time with matches who appear to be good but lead to nothing/anywhere u don't wanna be.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:49 PM
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This isn't “no options", but being mad that options still require effort, filtering and social skills. Also, comparing overweight women and single moms to trash is doing a lot of work here.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:29 PM
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So the problem for the guys in the post is that too many women deem them undateable? Not that no woman likes them, not that they're ignored by an entire gender, just that there are not enough of them (and probably not enough hot ones?)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:22 PM
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Is there any reliable source for that? I know the Hinge one( stating 15%, not 5%) but not saying anything whether these guys are the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:10 PM
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I actually agree with your core point somehow. Someone benefiting from a law doesn’t automatically mean they’re trying to abuse it, so jumping from i want 50/50 custody laws to “sure u plan to divorce and steal custody” is a pretty big leap Where u lose me is the broader gender conclusion. Women get motives projected onto them all the time as well, in fact, it happens to anyone, cause there are more than enough people around who looove to do that. Some even project motives on a whole gender :)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:06 PM
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I love this answer! :)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 04:57 PM
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as women swipe on like 5% of the men you think these 5% are all the same men?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 04:55 PM
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Idk, if you have a look around at reddit threads where women answer this question, "tall" is by far not the first thing that they mention
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:43 AM
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Among my friends are 3 women with men shorter than them, what's odd about that??
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:46 AM
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I don't feel, expect or think anything of what you're implying here, except for what I already stated: it's the aggressors who should be held accountable.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:39 AM
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Thanks for the constructive answer :) If you want my personal, subjective opinion on that matter: probably it's just about wanting to be with a man who is not afraid to step up and help somebody in an uncomfortable situation. Whether this is something you actually want to do (and if, to what extent), should be completely up to you and is best discussed with your gf.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:37 AM
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Your gf expects this, don't make it an "all women" thing
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:04 AM
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It hopefully changes your perception about your reality and other realities
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:30 PM
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Crazy ragebait, instead of holding the aggressors accountable, the victims are told to better their defense strategies
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:26 PM
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...but Tess27795 does?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:14 PM
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If you deem my arguments irrelevant to the stats of criminal fertility, I'd recommend reading some studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:53 PM
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I just leave it at "we all should be accountable", no need to bitch around who needs it more. If you don't agree with that, let's start with holding men accountable for rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 09:17 PM
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What a surprise, low social classes tend to have more children. What a surprise, men engaging in risk-taking behavior are more likely to hook up. What a surprise, women choosing criminals are not exactly the ones engaging in responsible contraception. What a surprise, higher fertility rate doesn’t automatically mean their kids grow up in a loving, stable environment. What are u tryin to concede here? That criminals get fucked more often? You think this is because they're criminals?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 02:32 PM
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Scared to approach, scared to decide, scared to stand out - all this is extremely unattractive to a woman regardless of how good or bad you are. And the bad ones get chosen NOT BECAUSE they're bad but inspite of it. I agree. Although I'd like to add that bad men with a backbone are at most a once-and-never-again-experience for mentally sane women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 12:41 PM
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Idk, if you're that convinced about this bs, become toxic, get yourself a toxic gf and enjoy your toxic relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 12:26 PM
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"I wouldn’t date a stupid man" = opinion "all men are stupid, that's why I don't date them" = generalization
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:10 AM
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you're welcome
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:02 AM
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I don't think this premise can be successfully denied regarding the well known concept that criminals of each gender have freaks sending them love letters. These freaks are not representative for the majority of men and women, tho. And this is where objection occurs since people don't like to be put into the same category as someone who'd genuinely wishes to date a criminal. This post is a good example.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:02 AM
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because we don't like to hear how aLL wOmEn aRe LikE tHat. Note how my statement said "some people".
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:55 AM
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It's written on the screen, it's said with words, no need to smell it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:53 AM
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There are not enough violent misogynistic around to be able to tell Lol. Did you get the info about their abusiveness from the men themselves or from the abused women?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:51 AM
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"I would choose the bear" is no unfair generalization but a personal opinion, probably influenced by stats about violence against women. "All men are privileged" yeah I see how this can be seen as unfair. Though I don't see this in serious feminist discourse, it's rather "men in general are privileged", while the level of privilege may vary wildly among them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:37 AM
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How many women y'all have among your friends and family who are attracted to violent misogynists?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:34 AM
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Same is valid for female criminals, some people are attracted by that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:26 AM
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What's a large, unfair generalisation made by feminism? Or are you talking about "feminist" rage bait content?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:25 AM
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I see how one might perceive this as privilege, I can assure you it isn't
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 09:35 AM
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Tf, whats a privilege about men as old as my father expressing their desire to fuck me???
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 05:36 AM
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Neither did anyone else
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 09:36 PM
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and thanks to Orwell we all know where this kind of thinking might lead
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 09:11 PM
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Aren't we each other's equals?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 08:49 PM
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This isn't a question per se but a good conversational tip for dates: Take something from the situation you’re already in and use it to create a shared lil experience. For ex, maybe theres some weird cocktail on the menu. Point it out to her, speculate together about what it might taste like, eventually try it together. if it turns out to be disgusting even better. bonding moment through shared disgust :) This is also a very good starting point for follow-up questions and creating insiders.
/r/seduction02/07/26 07:36 PM
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You won't receive economic opportunities just because you're angry. You need to target this anger in order to achieve more than bitterness.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 06:40 PM
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sure lol
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 05:53 PM
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Being angry about the lack of things like pretty privilege is teenie behavior, tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 05:37 PM
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There has to be room for healthy vulnerability without labeling it a victim complex. yeah, that's done like that: talk about his struggles, or point out societal issues without believing he’s powerless or refusing responsibility healthy vulnerability: no woman wants do date me and I'm hurt victim complex: no woman wants do date me, they all want Chads, it's over Disclaimer: I know some people tend to mock/invalidate *actual* healthy vulnerability. These people are assholes, regardless the gender…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 11:56 AM
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you'd prefer to be a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 09:30 AM
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A huge part of the challenge of dating and sex for men comes from the fact that attracting a woman usually requires effort. "It requires effort to make someone actually want to sleep with me, orrrr, I wish I had a superpower to bypass the whole process"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 09:28 AM
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I believe if anybody cared more about their own, personal accountability, it'd be already a step into the right direction
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 05:55 AM
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The mental gymnastics from "we all need to take accountability" to "women need it moooore and they dooodgee it" is insane
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 03:54 AM
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Some misunderstand that "not her type" doesn’t make a no-girl
/r/seduction01/07/26 06:41 PM
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Correction: if you mess up with an already attracted girl you lack basic social/flirt skills Game helps you make the maybe girls wanna fuck you and, here I agree: nothing can make a no-girl attracted to you. "Pros" in the infield with their overdone lines, reinforcing any cliché women are having about pickuppers, are rejected rightfully
/r/seduction01/07/26 05:41 PM
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common sense required
/r/seduction01/07/26 05:34 PM
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I think I'd be the male equivalent of myself, with all the flaws and struggles and strengths and the difference of being socialized as a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 05:15 PM
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By doing it, seeing what works and what doesn’t, by making mistakes and slowly getting better at it.
/r/seduction01/07/26 04:57 PM
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Social skills make people like you, game makes them want to fuck you :) Yes, it's basically flirting, but game is also knowing when to pull away, when to make a bold move, when NOT to make one, how to create situations that support your game etc etc
/r/seduction01/07/26 04:47 PM
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No, I literally agreed with the poster above that too many people lack accountability nowadays.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 04:26 PM
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I remember the millennial era as the peak of body toxicity which then turned into what you described, like any preference was superficial or toxic. I do believe low and high standards can be influenced by others Yeah, I agree, that's often the case, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 04:38 AM
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I wouldn't want to be a man - but contrary to OP I don't think that any gender lives life on easy mode.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 04:36 AM
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That sucks- I agree with you on these women not being marriage material, tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 04:34 AM
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I was ready to debate you but now all I can do is agree :) Most people with low standards are that way because they were unable to get sufficient experience to learn much through it Yeah, this was probably not acknowledged enough by me. You're right, like, how'd you know before you try. the discourse is almost always about money, status or appearance, Depends on the bubble tbh. The less dating experience people have, the more they appear to focus on "hard" skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:23 PM
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While possible, it strikes me as less likely. Low standards correlates to few options and whatever emotional stressors come with that situation. These are obstacles to truly developing your own tastes, a task normally associated with freedom, exploration and diverse experience. Imagine trying to develop a taste for wine when all you have is Franzia and Boone's Farm. i have an academic education and have dated lawyers as well as carpenters. came to the conclusion that the degree of my partner is …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 02:44 PM
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heavier on the "how" one communicates their weaknesses
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:21 PM
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Being that “opening up” too much can and will be used against you. by emotionally immature women. Emotionally mature ones usually expect a certain level of genuine emotional openness from their partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:16 PM
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its not comparabe, to the level of effort men have to do in dating I agree, potential violence vs. potential rejection isn't comparable. so they are not that concerned as you say, because as you said, its a minority of men not to be mean, but ...are you very young? if one chocolate in a bag is made of shit, would you not care about which one you eat? or would you refuse to eat chocolate altogether? The most reasonable approach would be to do your best to identify the bad one, because, well, you …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:51 AM
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are you suggesting women are not afraid *enough* of violence, assault, rape or murder, because they keep dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:32 AM
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What I say is that the difference makes no significant impact on reality. indeed it does. would you prefer being chosen for yourself or for your function to fill a hole? (pun unintended)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:24 AM
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otherwise if she was so concerned about her safety, she doesnt have to date you'd recommend women to stay away from good guys (and the majority actually *are* good guys) because of a violent, dangerous minority?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:21 AM
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>> women have a naive view of dating because of their many options you have no idea how *non-naive* the average woman must be in order to navigate her "many options" safely
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:55 AM
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high standards can also apply to social skills, good job, sexual skills, attachment style, the ability to share mental load and manyyyyy more.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:46 AM
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You speak from such a naive view i almost though you were a woman ew.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:36 AM
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I don't think they're dogshit per se, since you sound quite reflective :) but I'm sure they'll develop into a more nuanced understanding of parenthood, responsibilities etc
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:34 AM
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Of course, I'm not discussing the feasibility of standards here :) I wouldn't agree on you with those standards being low, tho. Unreasonable, yes. And if your standards are based on social media slopaganda, you have no sense of self. Totally agree. Moreover, isn't that contributing to the whole dating-issue? people believing in slopaganda (beautiful word btw) and thus rejecting people for their height or their body count etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 09:59 AM
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there are cases in which the very opposite of your theory is true: If you have low standards, you do not have a good idea of who you are or you simply and genuinely developed your own, personal standards which happen to be lower than average. People with high standards are picky, but they know what they like rly? especially statements from teenagers/twens (and older) regarding the height, weight, income bracket, body count etc. of their future partner is probably not based on experience but rath…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 09:50 AM
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"wanna try?" - smile. if she smiles, too, kiss her. but according to this we danced for a couple minutes (no touching) that move is probably too ambitious.
/r/seduction30/06/26 08:43 AM
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It would make more sense to complain that many people fail to take accountability for their actions. you're absolutely right!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 07:52 AM
1

peace and serenity
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 07:49 AM
1

Happiness doesn't need consistent access to joy :)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 07:20 AM
1

I don't think joy equals happiness
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:08 PM
13

Who of y'all would like to be a woman, tho?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:11 PM
1

? Nobody here claimed that I said they're empathetic towards male (actually, any gender) victims of abuse, rape etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 06:57 PM
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Are your female family members and friends like that? What a horrible social circle you must have.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:16 PM
1

That's true, they are there too. My reference here are mainly subs like askfeminists or askwomen, where the top comments are usually rather empathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:55 PM
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if all tall attractive chads suddenly became abusive tomorrow, you think women will suddenly stop finding their height attractive? I think Clavicular is quite attractive. Yet nothing in this world could make me want to date/fuck him. He is an ugly human being, not because of his looks but because of his character. Many women think like that, you're just assuming the women loudly lusting after Chads are an accurate representation of female thinking. Just like abusive men are not representative of…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:53 PM
2

Yeah, I'd consider misogyny a pretty off-putting trait, too, especially if there isn't anything else that could make women overlook that
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:41 PM
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i literally just said sure to this thx for the clarification. I just don't agree with you that *people* should be blamed for choosing the wrong partners. Bad people are among both genders and the blame shouldn't be the burden of the victim. This is moralizing attraction I (and many women I know) are just deeply repulsed by men who don't even *like* women and can't force themselves to be attracted by someone like that. Still, there are many women who don't mind that, especially if a man is good l…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:24 PM
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may I ask for explanation? English is my 3rd language and this part reffering to how this very argument in levied against himself by women here, and not making the argument himself confuses me a bit. Are you saying that women claim incels don't get dates because of their misogyny?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:03 PM
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sure, whatever percentage of them is able to get into relationships anyway. with womens abundant options, its likely small. and even a smaller group thats abusive still, the women are to blame for picking a short/bald/etc. guy? Women just know because of their oh so apparent hatred of women, in this situation they can just sense it. I can only speak for myself, i discuss a lot in these subs and MANY men are completely unaware on how their misogyny *seeps through* every interaction they have with…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:50 PM
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you do realize that everyday, women are getting abused by their short, bald, ugly partners, too? because women can apparently sense those we are not some mystical monolith who can "sense" character traits???
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:20 PM
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>> Especially when most of the problems you just mentioned are a result of womens choices. Yall are actively choosing which men get casual sex, what men will get relationships and what men genes will die out. you'd blame the woman for choosing a man who later abuses/raper/murders her? or the woman for being raped, beaten or murdered by a stranger?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:42 PM
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yeah, I understand where you're coming from and there's a certain logic behind a hurt person not wanting to give to others what they themselves were refused. But at least the seriousness of the complaints should be taken into consideration, shouldn't it? I mean, I get it when a woman complains about lack of "good men" and gets her rebuttal, as you said. But this lack of compassion is also shown when the complaint is about violence, rape, femicide etc. Contrary to that, most threads I encounter, …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:33 PM
5

After being disillusioned, they still complain about not getting compassion, tho
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:11 PM
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>> we tell the vampires to fuck off? love this statement (and your username :))
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 11:29 AM
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as if you knew the slightest bit about my opinions?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 11:16 AM
3

are these the same men who complain about nobody showing empathy for their struggles?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:49 AM
4

I think we both disagree on how usual or unusual this is
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 07:40 PM
4

People not liking to be objectified by someone they don't find attractive isn't news? Perhaps it's new to you that there are people who don't like being objectified even by attractive people
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:58 PM
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You can see how one not loving to be used sexually might have an issue with objectification, too?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:42 PM
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Nahhh most of them seem pretty contend There's smartness behind communicating content to a guy blaming women for men's behavior
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:27 PM
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don't you think they have more dangerous things to complain about
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:15 PM
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Even (and especially) if you don't know them, you'd be better off seeing them as humans, not objects
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:13 PM
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Indeed you sound like you don't know too much about your own divorce laws. https://www.lawyered.in/legal-disrupt/articles/divorce-laws-india/
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:59 PM
7

After that, one is allowed to leave their partner, even if they don't agree?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:57 PM
5

Aren't both parties required to agree to that? Not sure if I'm wrong here, genuine question.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:54 PM
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because they're so happy? or because of obstacles like contested divorce procedure?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:48 PM
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This is shown in our divorce rates where women only divorce you if u abuse her or hurt her(and any times not even then). And these aren't offy toffy relationships as most women here don't really earn or earn very less You see a possible connection between divorce rates and financial independence?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:38 PM
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That's ragebait. One decides for themselves whether they fall for that or talk to individual persons to find out their individual set of expectations. In general, neither women nor men share one opinion, one brain or one preference and acknowledging that makes dating much easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 01:00 PM
2

Then romantically positive behavior has to be earned? How would that work?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 12:50 PM
2

So by good behavior you mean behavior that's usually reserved for the person you're romantically interested in?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 12:32 PM
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There's a difference between "good behavior" and "shape up for someone" The first is a baseline that should be followed by any decent person, the latter doesn't say anything about whether the person shaping up is good or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 12:26 PM
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Social skills: behavior allowing you to navigate social situations in a way that people see you either neutral or positive. Like, humour, knowledge about body language, reading and acting accoring to the nonverbal cues of others, being able to listen, charme, wit, flirt skills, knowing how to console others and many more. You don't have to be brilliant in any of them, but if you lack too many or are really bad with some, this is going to throw off people who don't want to teach you/have to deal …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 12:24 PM
2

People whose decency and respect (aka good behavior) is limited to certain persons are not good people?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 12:11 PM
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I agree with you that people's behavior is (often very) different depending on who they interact with. I would be careful with the mindset of 'good behavior has to be earned', tho. This is usually the mindset of people you'd be better off not dating. Someone treating people well in general, whether they want to date them or not, is a green flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 12:06 PM
3

Are we playing "who's got it harder" now? Are you 14?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 08:00 PM
5

calm down
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:21 PM
1

What are you trying to convey with your statement?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:20 PM
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I mean, if you are okay with having anybody around, you don't need to be friendly, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 01:43 PM
3

More like biased sources and ignorance towards certain factors. People with mentioned traits tend to be the ones sharing their dating life in social circles, consequently most socially anxious/isolated people aren't part of the research group. People don't like sharing failures, a lot of dating stories, especially among younger people, is inflated or exaggerated. "I'm already talking to someone" is often a polite excuse. Not that this is the case with OP, I just wouldn’t agree to his narrative t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 01:41 PM
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Most friendly, charming, flirty persons of each gender always have someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 01:22 PM
2

weird take but you do you
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 11:06 AM
0

I'm referring to OPs "a bunch of men comes whining"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:15 PM
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More like an issue with men complaining about the idea of working* for a relationship. *in any sense
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 06:31 PM
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There are looksmatched couples, happily courting and desiring each other out there. Then there are the ones who indeed think having sex with their looksmatch is a terrible deal. Or that their partner secretly desire hotter dudes. Each couple builds their own relationship and the outcome is vastly different, so (the idea of) being with their looksmatch makes certain people happy and others bitter. Now guess who ends up in a happy relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 06:27 PM
2

ah, got it
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 06:16 PM
2

and then, women can choose to date each other or stay single and men can't?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 05:54 PM
2

so am I, just from a different perspective. hence my question.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 12:32 PM
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being happy is achieved through it sometimes, yes. sometimes, no. So, someone claiming they have no options anyway, shouldn't be agreed with?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 12:29 PM
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If the situation is indeed an optionless one, "become happy" is indeed the best advice one can give. If one intends to work on getting options..how'd that treated as a sin?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 12:22 PM
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well, you've already given up if you see yourself as having no options, then why not be happy anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 12:12 PM
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Especially if you - supposedly - have no options it'd be an excellent idea if people put as much energy into becoming happy in an unchangeable situation as they waste complaining about it. they'd be far better off.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 11:55 AM
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What if society was blaming women for not being docile or submissive enough ...imagine!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:45 PM
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By not having as many mating options as earlier generations supposedly had. Correct me if I'm wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 03:35 PM
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you just attribute all women the same preference when in reality many just don't fucking care about and their preferred dick is one that makes her happy. like, for example, literally in this thread here.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 02:26 PM
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then why do you defend and promote idiotic worldviews?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 02:08 PM
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and even the conventionally attractive ones, openly stating not to care about size, aren't believed. us women being a monolith makes it easier to attribute their unsuccessful dating life to our supposedly entitled demands.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 02:06 PM
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"Any man under 6 ft is short" is a literal global cultural staple at this point. We've all heard of it, it's just a thing. nah, it's an American idiocy, just like Trump and corn syrup. look at positive subreddits showing happy couples, look at couples irl and when all you see are happy 6ft dudes and not a single short,/fat/old/bald dude smiling into the camera, or holding his wife, then you convince me that this propaganda actually affects people. Right now, the only miserable ones are those ref…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 02:02 PM
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there's quite a difference between a preference and a dealbreaker, tho. The women who blatantly refuse to date men shorter than average are still in the minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 01:55 PM
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you need to satisfy most women's preferences in order to secure one?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 01:46 PM
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>> The most common standard, the most accepted one, the assumed one. yeah, the most common standard when you consume ragebait. Countless threads on reddit discuss actual, different female opinions on height: "6ft and above" is never the top answer when women are asked. moreover, life doesn't happen online. the loudest internet voices are more often than not those with the least real life experience, and here I'm talking about chronically online young women, loudly proclaiming they want the 666 p…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 01:42 PM
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and many girls and women don't really care, so?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 01:31 PM
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yes, some women love to state their height preferences and men love to attribute this mindset to women in general, and they love talking about how we are shallow and prefer to be fooled by tall Chads lamenting about how they'd fuck everyone if they were only 6ft telling each other that they're cooked because they allllll know what women want despite never being near one. I'm sorry I got swept away, but this is a tendency I observed closely in certain subs. Whereas women, when it comes to discuss…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 01:04 PM
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I'm not against your initial point but this No one talks about pussy at all, and the dick is always talked about in any possible context. is your own specific experience/bubble, not a general case.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 12:42 PM
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nah, *same* would be women talking about vaginas, wouldn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 11:49 AM
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Also, guys talk about these crushing expectations of being a man it’s usually that they have to be self-reliant and take personal responsibility. don't forget the unrealistic physical standards imposed on them. As we all learn (from men): they are cooked if they are shorter than 6ft, have a dick smaller than whatever size is the nonplusultra nowadays and their jawline has to be chiseled in order to even get minimal female attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 11:30 AM
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Nah, any vagina can be made fun of, as men repeatedly demonstrate.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 10:05 AM
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In my opinion, there is a surprising number of men who ruminate more about other men's dicks than my girlfriends and I ever did as hetero women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 07:36 AM
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"By being better than mediocre and communicating that, be it explicitly or implicitly." this is literally my comment. what's not to understand about it? in order to separate oneself from mediocrity, one has to stand out in at least one certain aspect. In order to actually get recognized for said aspect, one needs to communicate their above-averageness, either explicitly or implicitly. If you aren't able to see the difference between -doing x *and* communicating x and -doing x *is the same as* co…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 06:31 AM
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Idk whats about to be popped when I say there are women with little to no experience, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 03:53 AM
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"Be better than mediocre" is not communicating implicitly. Your reading comprehension is the issue here, not my advice. I never said that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 08:13 PM
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Career, sports, building a community. Men focusing on that are not at all considered losers. Quite the opposite, actually. And they rarely suffer from lack of women, if I think about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 05:33 PM
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Depends on the perspective. Some people end up winning after countless attempts, some never win and some give up. Some become miserable along the way, others gain resilience, others find a completely different way. It's just that ...sounding miserable while defending a perspective that should -according to you- make you happy, might indeed give the impression of ..well, dooming.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 05:22 PM
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As I said, the psychological human preference of being chosen among others.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 05:15 PM
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Indeed. One without the other doesn't work.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 05:04 PM
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Interesting, your first thought about something intended to be uplifting is how you're doomed anyway, just because a hypothetical woman might have been actively avoiding hypothetical men. There are as many different fates as people out there and there are probably way more reasons for women's inexperience than you imagine. Same for men, obv.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 05:01 PM
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Either a person who is available and reasonably fills an empty slot or a person who is the one worth having a relationship with. What would you prefer to be?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 04:57 PM
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Why not? There are women with little to no relationship experience out there, too. Especially nowadays.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 04:46 PM
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Unless the guy has zero social awareness I highly doubt he doesn’t understand how to be good company in the context of a relationship. Social awareness doesn't teach you how you react in the context of romantic issues. People who are confronted for the first time with i.e. sexual rejection, betrayal, money-sharing, trust issues, sharing a bed/ meals, a looming breakup (and many more) tend to react differently than they would after already knowing themselves in relationships. If someone is inexpe…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 04:32 PM
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but are desperate to not be single. exactly. it's not that they want a relationship because they fell in love with a certain person; they want a relationship with *any* person. This puts many people off, regardless the gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 02:38 PM
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if "communicating implicitly" is too complicated to grasp, this advice is indeed wasted on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 09:53 AM
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at least we try to get to know him; wouldn't it be shallow as hell to only be attracted by his looks?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 09:27 AM
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Valid argument for dating apps. Irl, they're indeed displayed.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 09:23 PM
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I mean being better by having them
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 09:01 PM
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By being better than mediocre and communicating that, be it explicitly or implicitly.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 08:44 PM
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Eye contact, smile. If she reciprocates: "do you also struggle to find the ketchup*?" *or whatever the aisle contains
/r/seduction21/06/26 08:34 AM
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I mean mutual reciprocation
/r/seduction20/06/26 08:16 PM
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"withdraws nearly all attention" is quite a difference to a girl initiating? All good if its mutual, not good if one part withdraws.
/r/seduction20/06/26 07:57 PM
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Both types exist, tho and to resist or to remove temptations is usually a decision based on self worth/self love.
/r/seduction20/06/26 07:54 PM
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Yes you're right with that
/r/seduction20/06/26 06:40 PM
0

Good point
/r/seduction20/06/26 06:38 PM
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Yeah, and the tough lesson to be learned is to leave a such a dude, despite being obsessed. Hence the self worth.
/r/seduction20/06/26 06:38 PM
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By doing this you repulse women with self worth
/r/seduction20/06/26 03:50 PM
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Advice not taken can't help.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 09:52 AM
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my point stands
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 09:15 AM
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If you see good advice as cliché, I don't know what you're looking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 08:42 AM
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I want women to not despise me for how brutal I perceive them You need to think about the implications of what you demand.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 08:38 AM
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No, feminism doesn’t push women "to view any sign of differing attitude as an immediate red flag". You consume too much ragebait.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 07:26 AM
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What a sad life your algo has dragged you into.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 05:25 PM
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You must not truly understand how common that is, I fear.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 05:17 PM
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I gave you an honest answer to a question that - against better judgment - I assumed was posed in good faith. Your reaction to that is ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 05:11 PM
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I did, I had talks about that with most of my male friends/family. And I had girlfriends with whom I talked about their violent acts towards men. Now?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 04:59 PM
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I don't even think it’s always out of malevolence. It’s just easier to downplay it. Someone not acknowledging (male) violence as a real (and structural) problem can't be bothered with working against it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 04:26 PM
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A good part of them isn't violent, that's why it bothers me so much that even many of the "good ones" refuse to acknowledge the problem itself. Like, would they tell their daughter that precautions aren't necessary cause the risk is low enough for her not to bother?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 04:11 PM
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Accurate information rarely brings people more comfort, when their issue is emotional. Male violence statistics are real but significantly overstated relative to actual encounter risk. Ask the women in your life whether they ever experienced male violence. Ask here.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 03:45 PM
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I'd only disagree with you on the "from beginning to end" :) You're right with your other points.
/r/seduction19/06/26 03:27 PM
1

About communicating what you want, be it verbally or non-verbally. About allowing yourself (and her) to get lost in the desire. About unapologetically being your own sexual self and thus encouraging her to be the same. The other guy who answered this question has some really good points as well.
/r/seduction19/06/26 03:26 PM
47

Being sexually aggressive has absolutely nothing to do with thrusting hard.
/r/seduction19/06/26 11:10 AM
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Just grin/laugh a little or give her a wink. The moment you address it verbally, you need to be prepared for the follow-up questions.
/r/seduction16/06/26 02:23 PM
2

Idk, I wouldn’t attribute personality issues to women not being attracted to you.
/r/seduction15/06/26 04:53 PM
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The problem here is it can't really be given as advice, because once people find out about it, everyone will do it. People have found out about calories long ago and yet they become obese; they know about the importance of leaving their comfort zone and yet they put a ton of energy into staying there. People don't do what they know they should do. And those who do, are often part of the successful minority.
/r/seduction15/06/26 04:23 PM
7

what's to explain about seeing women as equal (in value, worth, whatever)??
/r/seduction15/06/26 01:21 PM
8

yeah, I can imagine what kind of ass you get
/r/seduction15/06/26 12:40 PM
19

Bad idea.
/r/seduction15/06/26 12:39 PM
4

I read a lot of u/norwegiandoggo here and I can assure you, his mindset is - contrary to yours - not one of a loser.
/r/seduction15/06/26 12:37 PM
10

Since when are societal beauty standards moral or reasonable?
/r/seduction15/06/26 12:34 PM
1

why that?
/r/seduction15/06/26 12:01 PM
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>> You can see women as equals I'm a big supporter of that mindset
/r/seduction15/06/26 11:50 AM
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How should I curate my profile for this? like that: I'm not primarily looking for a serious relationship, but if something naturally developed and felt right, I wouldn't be opposed to it. Is this something women are generally open to, assuming I'm upfront and respectful? generally? I wouldn't say so, but there are more than enough women open for casual with the right guy. Will I come across as a douchebag for wanting intimacy without immediate commitment? only if you lie about your intentions Am…
/r/seduction12/06/26 06:57 AM
1

yeah I agree! except for the part with interrupting someone's workout; have the decency and wait for her break 😄
/r/seduction11/06/26 11:23 AM
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I gave you the initial input, from now on you're fighting alone 😄
/r/seduction11/06/26 10:11 AM
3

I hope you really booked lol
/r/seduction11/06/26 09:07 AM
10

witty responses almost always follow certain scripts, just adapt them to your personal vibe and keep practicing, you get there! - good luck! 😊
/r/seduction11/06/26 08:47 AM
5

that's mean, not flirty
/r/seduction11/06/26 08:27 AM
5

But never got the chance you never took the chance I’ve been turned off from what I’ve been observing other guys doing what you didn't do? Can someone give me advice on this weird situation talk to a woman you're interested in, or someone else will do.
/r/seduction11/06/26 07:47 AM
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- "Me. Too subtle?" - "bold of you to assume I don't already have us booked" - "you're right, I only speak for myself - wanna join?" Depends on how the vibe's between the both of you and whether you want to come across as playful, polite etc
/r/seduction11/06/26 07:34 AM
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>> eye contact, mirroring yk how annoying guys who try to "create nonverbal sexual tension" at the gym are... it's not an appropriate place to do that and I don't know a single woman who's receptive to a guy staring at her, watching if she's mirroring or following him when all you wanna do is workout. But it's a good place to socialize and to make the first contact and many women don't mind having a talk with someone who's already well known at this place. From *that* point, the sexual innuendo …
/r/seduction11/06/26 05:43 AM
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Socialize with men in the gym, too. Then, when talking to girls, you come across as an extrovert who likes to make new friends, not as a creep hoping to finally bang a gym chick.
/r/seduction10/06/26 03:04 PM
1

These people should take care of their mental health instead of trying to pull women while being that anxious/depressed.
/r/seduction10/06/26 02:56 PM
1

You don't have to believe me. You don't have to try to improve any skills. And, surely enough, you don't have to put up the effort of biting through something you don't really believe in. Just keep doing what you did, looks like you know what works for you.
/r/seduction10/06/26 02:39 PM
1

>> “how ugly can you be and still pull?” much uglier than you think >> “is average good enough?” good enough for average results? yeah, probably. >> though I’m still not convinced it’s real well, then what you expect
/r/seduction10/06/26 02:23 PM
1

1 girl out of 100 saying yes vs. 1 girl out of 10 saying yes 🤷‍♀️ BUT - obsessing over the numbers is one of the most counterproductive mindsets you can have when it comes to seduction
/r/seduction10/06/26 02:13 PM
2

the more advanced your seductive skills are, the more people you'll be able to pull. it's indeed a numbers game, but improving your skills also increases your chances.
/r/seduction10/06/26 11:03 AM
2

If seduction game was real you’d (in theory) should be able to pull anyone No, because the willingness of the other person to be pulled by you is a factor that has to be taken into account.
/r/seduction10/06/26 10:21 AM
3

You can but why would one?
/r/seduction03/06/26 08:19 PM
6

If I may I ask: do you have problems getting dates or problems getting one on one dates? And, are we talking like she won't come back to your place on the 2nd date or refuses to see you without her friend group for 2 months?
/r/seduction02/06/26 05:48 PM
3

matters more - not doesn’t matter at all, my comment wasn't as black and white as yours suggest. Idk, "how do you feel about eating cats" just needs the right tone. I see a lot of potential in this phrase.
/r/seduction01/06/26 07:58 PM
7

doesn't really matter what you talk about, more important *how* you talk about it. i.e., if your main interest is rock music, talk about the feelings you get when listening to it, ask her about songs she cares deeply about, create sexual innuendo by making flirty remarks, talk about songs you need to show her etc. etc. - works with every topic. And don't forget to ask her questions and listen and *react* to her answers. Many men nowadays think the Q&A-game is enough. No, it isn't, you need to cr…
/r/seduction01/06/26 12:09 PM
3

A person I don't know is neither.
/r/seduction31/05/26 06:32 PM
7

To add: we forgive way more insecurity than you think :)
/r/seduction31/05/26 03:50 PM
7

Orbiting for quite some time isn't something one should do or encourage.
/r/seduction28/05/26 04:31 PM
14

You don't need to have them lined up, they ..appear.
/r/seduction28/05/26 03:26 PM
1

lose weight, talk to people, find a job/friends and move out.
/r/seduction28/05/26 11:24 AM
3

damn you got me there haha
/r/seduction21/05/26 12:02 PM
5

...on how to turn on men? :)
/r/seduction21/05/26 11:45 AM
20

Agree, flirting is a skill that's massively underdeveloped nowadays. And, men get turned on when they're flirted with, too :)
/r/seduction21/05/26 11:33 AM
3

>> should i date her or tell her exactly what i think? neither. you should reflect on your intention to stick your dick into someone you consider unattractive.
/r/seduction21/05/26 06:38 AM
2

That's quite a myth, even for most good looking men.
/r/seduction19/05/26 02:26 PM
1

>> Is that really the case? for many, yes >> Isn’t that literally how Tinder works? swiping right doesn't mean sex, tho.
/r/seduction19/05/26 02:02 PM
11

Because looks are seen as an uncontrollable factor (women only sleep with Gigachads), they build a narrative where only the top 5% of men ever had a chance to begin with. a worldview that conveniently absolves them of any agency while preserving a victim identity.
/r/seduction19/05/26 01:58 PM
1

and if you cross each other alone, you smile at each other and don't say anything? Then I'd change that
/r/seduction11/05/26 12:08 PM
1

Perhaps start with a simple "hello how are you" and see how she reacts?
/r/seduction11/05/26 12:03 PM
2

Do you just kiss? No touching, no caressing, no stroking/kissing her neck, no movement of your body towards hers, no grabbing of her hips etc.etc.?
/r/seduction10/05/26 01:53 PM
14

I had a few of these dates myself, so perhaps a female perspective might help: You don't have to be overly flirtatious, but if you don't communicate your sexual attraction, I understand why they refuse to come to your place. You have to spark some attraction first, (without it being solely your job, there should be a mutual build-up).
/r/seduction09/05/26 11:26 AM
2

since you keep insisting... yup, move on, forget her.
/r/seduction04/05/26 01:53 PM
2

if someone is actively ignoring you, you dont chase. you were actively ignoring her, too, what was she supposed to do?
/r/seduction04/05/26 01:45 PM
2

Well, now I'm free and I'd like to play the field for a few years. So anyway, both times I did my thing, didn't say a word to her the field doesn't play itself tho
/r/seduction04/05/26 01:41 PM
2

You think game is pushpull and following methods provided by self-proclaimed PUAs who are more interested in clout than anything else?
/r/seduction29/04/26 06:15 PM
6

Focusing on your game and skills, resulting in the ability to evoke the feeling of an exotic experience at any place might be another option.
/r/seduction29/04/26 03:38 PM
1

my question is the same: what are you texting about?
/r/seduction29/04/26 10:50 AM
1

yeah, I have the same impression, unfortunately.
/r/seduction29/04/26 06:09 AM
2

There are some people on this sub who aren't really into seduction, more into gender wars. In the last days, I got 2 comments that were immediately removed by the mods (reddit? - I don't even see the comment marked as deleted), one of them was calling me a toilet, the other one blamed me for not dating South Asian short men. Very weird.
/r/seduction29/04/26 04:40 AM
-2

I love everything about your conment!
/r/seduction28/04/26 08:32 PM
1

Looks like your texting game could need improvement. What are you talking about until the conversation dies out?
/r/seduction28/04/26 05:55 PM
2

"This has 50.000 likes, that's proof they all think like that"
/r/seduction28/04/26 05:47 PM
18

Yes, yes, yes. As a woman, it's so fucking annoying to constantly hear men preaching nonsense about women wanting X, not wanting Y and hating Z.
/r/seduction28/04/26 04:27 PM
7

60k likes does not mean 60k people supporting this claim and "thousands of comments" agreeing with it doesn't mean that every woman you want to date thinks this way. Y'all are getting brainwashed by ragebait.
/r/seduction28/04/26 07:25 AM
60

Agency. If you want to do something, do it, whether it's hitting the gym, meeting your buddies or kissing her. As long as you're acting within reason, obv
/r/seduction24/04/26 07:36 PM
1

Neediness involves being uncomfortable with a "no".
/r/seduction24/04/26 03:50 PM
5

By being a quality match. And I wouldn't recommend swiping right on women you deem fat and ugly.
/r/seduction24/04/26 11:41 AM
1

And getting the opposite result, girls not liking you?
/r/seduction23/04/26 09:01 PM
1

There is no such method, dude.
/r/seduction23/04/26 08:16 PM
1

Solution in the sense of the one, foolproof method to turn girls into enthusiastic fwbs? Or like in my 2nd paragraph before?
/r/seduction23/04/26 07:29 PM
1

This is a common issue and happens to many men with a good personality, regardless their height. You can't do really more than stating your disinterest in a monogamous relationship early on. Like, more in the subtext at the beginning, don't throw it into her face.
/r/seduction23/04/26 06:23 PM
3

Girls don’t know what they want A guy who respects their boundaries, you did it and got sex.
/r/seduction23/04/26 03:47 AM
5

now that's solid seduction advice!
/r/seduction22/04/26 04:46 PM
2

That's what you're doing wrong, thinking in absolutes. A fish cannot teach how to fish. I never heard this quote from a successful seducer tbh, more often from buzzword-throwing-theoretical-pseudo-PUAs.
/r/seduction22/04/26 04:00 PM
4

Her actions (and words) say she wants to keep the physical contact on a level she's fine with right now. If he's not respecting that, he may get a lay out of it but very likely combined with buyer's remorse.
/r/seduction22/04/26 03:31 PM
9

It's great advice if he wants to have sex with someone who wants it just the same as he does.
/r/seduction22/04/26 03:18 PM
44

You shouldn't escalate with a girl who explicitly states she wants to slow down. Pro move would be to keep on kissing etc.but you always stop before she can stop you. Eventually, she's the one taking it further. Edit: I'd have the 4th date at a place where sex is off the table.
/r/seduction22/04/26 02:08 PM
2

Yeah, flirting is always a bit confusing, try to enjoy it :) (I'm serious here, there's a good bit of fun in training flirt skills and becoming better)
/r/seduction21/04/26 05:30 PM
1

A dance between two people exploring if they're romantically/sexually vibing, I'd say. This can be VERY different for each pairing, hence the difficulty in explaining it.
/r/seduction21/04/26 05:15 PM
2

I'm afraid we're talking about different things here?
/r/seduction21/04/26 04:39 PM
2

I think you're misinterpreting the (effective) IDGAF. It's more an "I am not bothered by others" than "I don't fucking care about others". Like, you're not bothered by a woman being irritated by your genuinely friendly comment. And at the same time, you care enough about her to not scare/annoy her by overstepping boundaries. Also, you need to be reaction seeking... which means if I tell a joke and don't get a good reaction once or twice, it would be complete nonsense to continue when it’s clear …
/r/seduction21/04/26 04:05 PM
2

It's tough to explain so forgive me if this sounds a bit messy: like if we've never been on a date Yeah, flirting is what leads to dates,more precisely, what often wakes the desire to go on a date with someone. I guess how do I make a suggestive comment The wording itself? Very contextual. You have examples? is that considered flirting Well... a comment can be flirty, yeah. But it's not about shooting a shot and waiting for her to realize that the guy she's friends with is interested in her caus…
/r/seduction21/04/26 03:53 PM
2

What would be the difference between suggestive remarks and sexual innuendo? The remarks are verbal, the innuendo doesn't have to be verbal. But you're right, they're overlapping. I mean, sexual conversations are not necessarily flirting. I can have a talk with you about sex and don't flirt with you at all. And I can talk about the t-shirt you wear today in a way that makes it very clear that I'm hitting on you. If I may ask, what are you scared of?
/r/seduction21/04/26 03:22 PM
1

IDGAF is sexy when combined with a friendly, flirty attitude ...so what now?
/r/seduction21/04/26 03:12 PM
5

Sexual innuendo, playing with tonality, body language (i.e. when making her a compliment, explicitly look at her lips), suggestive remarks, emotional/sexual conversation topics... it's an endless list :)
/r/seduction21/04/26 03:09 PM
1

If you have an unpleasant attitude when not filtering yourself, you should work on that
/r/seduction21/04/26 02:52 PM
1

Just like love, smiles aren't cheapened by giving them out. She was just jealous and wanted to control even your facial expressions.
/r/seduction20/04/26 01:47 PM
1

I know how I react to men and a smile was never an issue.
/r/seduction20/04/26 01:46 PM
12

In the eyes of insecure men maybe, yeah. But I assume those aren't the ones you want to impress?
/r/seduction20/04/26 10:34 AM
11

Why should it be in your best interest to smile less, especially if you get laid nonetheless?
/r/seduction20/04/26 10:06 AM
14

Sex shouldn't be about optimization. Explore your preferences, do some experiments, try to get into the flow with your sexual partner, be vulnerable, allow intimacy etc.
/r/seduction19/04/26 09:39 AM
5

Improving your flirt skills will inevitably come with failures, so perhaps a good first step would be learning to deal with them.
/r/seduction18/04/26 10:17 PM
1

Seduction works when the other party makes it easier for you. If the other party is making it harder, then you’re getting farther from your goal of seducing btw. At least she tried since he was the one making it harder by ignoring her. I agree with on you what the issue was, if you're doubting that btw
/r/seduction18/04/26 09:36 PM
2

You make a whole science out of that. He -genuinely assuming it was directed at him-could have made eye contact and smiled, he could have said "huh?", he could have grabbed the same can, I mean... if it was directed at him, she'd easily have gotten the slightest reaction of him towards her and hopefully ping-pong back and if it wasn't, then, well, a rando at a grocery shop smiled at her. It was such a low risk interaction and instead of thinking about options to work with situations like that, t…
/r/seduction18/04/26 09:21 PM
2

Since she doesn't know anything about you, her plan was most likely to see how you'd react noticing her showing possible interest. Not many girls would like to go on a date with a guy who sees a date with them as a responsibility, so her filter worked pretty well, I'd say.
/r/seduction18/04/26 09:08 PM
2

She was direct enough for him to actually notice it and that's not enough for him to even react in the slightest - idk, I see the issue on his side here.
/r/seduction18/04/26 07:44 PM
3

then I choosed [sic] to ignore it And then you rant about how women need to be more direct. Great job.
/r/seduction18/04/26 04:49 PM
11

Yes, these are great, too :) I forgot the ability to show positive emotions! Smiling, laughing, being excited about anything - very attractive.
/r/seduction16/04/26 03:51 PM
68

Confidence, wit, social (incl flirt) skills, good posture and many more.
/r/seduction16/04/26 03:42 PM
2

you're welcome! :)
/r/seduction14/04/26 02:09 PM
3

that sort of thing yup, that sort of thing :) grab her hand for a short time to drag her along with you, have a look at her jewellery while touching her hands, come closer to smell her perfume... (these are only examples, you're better at estimating what probably works with *her*)
/r/seduction14/04/26 02:03 PM
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don't go into a date with the intention of "sealing the deal". Supposedly, you're on a date with a good friend, so choose activities you both like. Make sure that toward the end of the date, you’re alone and undisturbed. And make sure that some physical contact is happening before the first kiss. and, most important: have fun and don't overthink it!
/r/seduction14/04/26 01:40 PM
2

Charisma works pretty well for initial attraction.
/r/seduction14/04/26 01:24 PM
1

Well, if she decides not to answer, there's not much you can do, unfortunately
/r/seduction14/04/26 10:25 AM
1

So she didn't answer to any of your other texts neither?
/r/seduction14/04/26 10:17 AM
2

I mean what is she supposed to answer here? "haha lol yes ik"/"uhm, no idk"/laughing emoij?
/r/seduction14/04/26 09:29 AM
1

I can only guess, perhaps you have internalized beliefs about monogamy or purity, maybe you caught feelings for her, or you're suffering from a sense of entitlement that having casual sex is okay for you but not for her. As I said, only guesses.
/r/seduction14/04/26 08:48 AM
1

I think it'd be more beneficial to get to the root of your uncomfortableness instead of just trying not to care as much.
/r/seduction14/04/26 08:16 AM
1

but I don’t want to mess up this opportunity that’s been given to me entering a friends-with-benefit-situation while caring about what she *texts* other guys is going to be problematic. You should be fine with the fact that she's *fucking* others. Aside from that; yeah, if she needs to think about it, it's a good idea to give her space.
/r/seduction14/04/26 07:41 AM
1

Idk why you're downvoted, this is great advice.
/r/seduction13/04/26 05:43 PM
1

That a mindset operating under terms of wifey and hoe, combined with taking rejections personally is less than ideal in terms of seduction.
/r/seduction12/04/26 06:47 PM
1

i don't think that's what you're supposed to learn here
/r/seduction12/04/26 06:10 PM
6

You complaining about women being stuck up and at the same time calling them hoes for dancing with 2 men is - priceless.
/r/seduction12/04/26 03:41 PM
-1

Indeed it is
/r/seduction03/04/26 11:19 AM
6

I think caring about bodycount often clashes with seductive principles. Not cause the preference itself is wrong, but because it often comes with traits that undermine attraction.
/r/seduction03/04/26 10:40 AM
2

It's not binary, the more of both you have, the better it is. Personality traits tend to weigh more than style, tho. And the presence of negative personal traits affects the outcome much more than the presence of a buckle belt, which is nothing me and many women love, as you rightfully stated. But I can just as confidently state that many women, including me, love it when a man stands unapologetically and in good spirits by his (bad) taste.
/r/seduction02/04/26 05:29 PM
2

Love it when men explain to me what we like. Believe it or not, but I can reassure you, all the benefits good style gives you are lost when you don't have the corresponding attitude. Bad style is more easily overridden by charisma.
/r/seduction02/04/26 03:45 PM
3

Nah, a man who confidently wears his buckle belt is waaay more attractive than one who adjusts his clothing style just to attract women.
/r/seduction02/04/26 03:28 PM
3

should work with women who are equally horrible at flirting or don't mind your rational approach. probably won't work with women who like the game, the banter, the conversational sparks.
/r/seduction02/04/26 02:23 PM
14

Cooking for her seems to be the best option, since a) she can get an impression of how you live b) you impress her with your cooking skills, she can help you, culinary foreplay and c) you finally get your ass up and get rid of your ex's stuff
/r/seduction26/03/26 05:44 PM
1

as you mentioned, you have no issues attracting women and no issues with escalation; so could the problem be comfort-wise?
/r/seduction25/03/26 03:56 PM
1

Did the other 6 give a reason for turning you down, and, if yes, were the reasons different/arbitrary or similar?
/r/seduction25/03/26 03:32 PM
2

you're welcome, good luck! :)
/r/seduction24/03/26 02:30 PM
2

Do you think based on the explanation she might be interested? I think she's not uninterested :) I have to work on not being scared to be rejected haha here I got something important for you. Being a woman myself and talking with my gfs about guys for years and years: a dude who takes rejection well is remembered well. the ones who make a fool out of themselves are the ones who get angry, whiny or bargaining when facing rejection. u sound like you could handle it pretty well :)
/r/seduction24/03/26 01:55 PM
1

just examples, you have to know what fits best into your dynamic: make a comment about her bracelet and grab her hand to get a closer look, touch her lightly when making jokes. specific for your post: ask her why she keeps looking down in a friendly/flirty tone and challenge her to have eye contact with you for a longer period - but don't make it into some kind of childish game. more sneaky: tell her there's an eyelash on her cheek and gently brush it away.
/r/seduction24/03/26 12:49 PM
3

You won't know until you escalate. 3 hours alone in the car with her sound like the perfect opportunity for that :)
/r/seduction24/03/26 11:37 AM
59

you're not looking for anything serious, you enjoy her company, if she's willing to spend time with you that's great, if not, farewell --> that's your frame/what you communicate don't engage in "you only want sex" discussions, there's no way you win
/r/seduction24/03/26 11:02 AM
87

be upfront early on that you're not really looking for anything serious
/r/seduction24/03/26 10:27 AM
1

Pretty understandable tbh. I'd strongly recommend changing your algorithm towards more positive aspects of dating (which isn't that easy, every platform throws ragebait into your face). And - flirting doesn't mean being the perfect charmeur or sth. It's a social skill that's best learned when done and you can start with easy baby steps. Ex: If you smile at and compliment people on a daily basis, it's going to be easy for you to compliment a woman you're interested in. Just because you have train…
/r/seduction19/03/26 06:36 PM
2

Seen online ragebait about this topic?
/r/seduction19/03/26 05:59 PM
1

Common dating advice and seduction don't share much except for the basics.
/r/seduction18/03/26 10:14 PM
18

Just like men with high status often have to deal with gold diggers, women have their experiences with pump'n'dump-dudes.
/r/seduction15/03/26 01:13 PM
4

You will very rarely be able to seduce a girl who thinks you're ugly. Stick with those who are attracted or indifferent
/r/seduction15/03/26 12:51 PM
14

no that's advice for people willing to change themselves for the better
/r/seduction14/03/26 11:27 PM
67

As you say, staged attention, fake attention, fake lust, fake attraction.
/r/seduction14/03/26 10:48 PM
1

Tell this the guy above me who created the hard and fast rule of a woman not wanting to fuck on the 2nd date = uninterested.
/r/seduction14/03/26 07:24 AM
2

Do you even actually interact with women...? Indeed, I am one. And the bit with the boredom of predictability, especially when it comes to men wanting sex is such a highly discussed topic in many women's circles that I'm wondering ...are you projecting very hard or is anything that doesn't fit into your mindset completely unimaginable?
/r/seduction13/03/26 04:52 PM
4

Well, a dude who would plan the 2nd date in a way that prevented sex would certainly spark curiosity, which is a key element of seduction. Especially well working in contexts where routine has already established and the situation has become predictable, like the example in your quote.
/r/seduction13/03/26 03:27 PM
3

Then I apologize for my misinterpretation! I agree with you.
/r/seduction05/03/26 06:49 PM
7

why shouldn't you? Cause you want to be a decent person perhaps
/r/seduction05/03/26 04:22 PM
0

Why should you?
/r/seduction05/03/26 03:09 PM
12

It's much easier to get a job when you already have a job. are you suggesting looking for other girls while being taken? because that's *not* what I meant.
/r/seduction05/03/26 02:02 PM
71

so next time if I will be single I know I can get a lot of girls that I want I'd be interested in your gf's perspective about that.
/r/seduction05/03/26 01:19 PM
2

Probably more about the text than the image, I guess
/r/seduction27/02/26 08:48 PM
1

You know her better than we do, so you really think she is bored? Because your post gives the impression of someone who caught feelings (which is good!), but consumed the wrong kind of pick up content. Just match her energy. No need to overcorrect by not texting her anymore or similar. If you really want to build a strong relationship with her, handle this issue with respect, however that may look for you. It sounds like you both really like each other, so maybe try to meet the first roadbump wi…
/r/seduction24/02/26 05:30 PM
4

she wouldn't say that if she was attracted to you A woman with values of course would say that. what about girls who say 'i'm not interested', or girl who don't talk back, give very bad body language etc if the signals are that explicit, don't even bother with pick up lines, you're just coming across as creepy.
/r/seduction24/02/26 09:57 AM
5

being optimistic and solution-oriented is a very attractive trait, fyi
/r/seduction23/02/26 12:44 PM
2

well, nothing that can't be changed, right?
/r/seduction23/02/26 12:39 PM
3

You attract above average women if you're above average yourself, whether in looks, status, money, charm or something else.
/r/seduction23/02/26 12:31 PM
1

Seduction relies on creating tension and the space for the other person to desire freely. Signaling "I must show that I want sex or else I get nothing" collapses tension into neediness and this is deeply unseductive. Note: I'm not talking about showing sexual desire, more about the "or else I get nothing" part of OPs mindset, including asking for titty fucks.
/r/seduction22/02/26 07:30 AM
12

you're going against the principles of seduction with this mindset, that's why you "don't even manage to fuck a hoe". I intentionally used the wording of another comment of yours here, cause your attitude towards someone you want to sleep with is giving the ick.
/r/seduction21/02/26 07:37 PM
32

By not being that interested in sex with her.
/r/seduction21/02/26 03:13 PM
2

What do you mean to date each other? You wanted to go on a date with her or you wanted to officially start to date her?
/r/seduction09/02/26 06:54 PM
0

Nothing guarantees attraction. The best-looking dude with the best game on earth could be rejected by a woman just because it was the wrong moment. Or he reminds her of her ex. Or she's repulsed by something very specific. Etc. etc. What's indeed true, tho: someone who knows how to play the game realizes which buttons they have to press in order to raise their chances. And these buttons can be very different for every woman.
/r/seduction30/01/26 09:10 AM
0

there is a lack of congruence between what is said and what is actually though People lie, so? I take it your agenda isn’t actually to engage in meaningful conversation Why you think that?
/r/seduction26/01/26 08:27 PM
-7

that I realized not to take what they say that seriously Whatever helps you getting women ...oh wait.
/r/seduction26/01/26 07:40 PM
-3

I read another comment of yours: "women are notorious for being dishonest" Looks like the problem is your misogyny.
/r/seduction26/01/26 07:20 PM
1

Some point to one-off things that I never did again And the others?
/r/seduction26/01/26 06:59 PM
2

What's the (suspected or confirmed) reason you don't get 2nd dates?
/r/seduction26/01/26 06:45 PM
1

Escalation ladder. If she rejects a shoulder massage, do not try to kiss her until you massaged her (or sth similar).
/r/seduction26/01/26 06:43 PM
2

Nah, they want men who don't call them females.
/r/seduction22/01/26 04:13 PM
14

Exactly.
/r/seduction09/01/26 04:33 PM
91

An emotionally mature woman won't keep chasing a guy who keeps holding back. The same principle applies to emotionally mature men.
/r/seduction09/01/26 04:07 PM
1

Seduction and chastity rest on quite different core values.
/r/seduction06/01/26 01:28 PM
3

I meant it like do you feel A (pleasure) or B (arousal)? In addition: the way you describe the sex you want, seems focused on physical/visual arousement. Perhaps some reflection about the emotional/intimate aspects you'd need for sex to make you feel pleasured (pleased?) and not only aroused would help in solving the issue.
/r/seduction05/01/26 03:31 PM
1

Do you feel pleasure or arousal during sex?
/r/seduction05/01/26 03:15 PM
14

Do you have the sex you want or the sex you think you should have?
/r/seduction05/01/26 02:55 PM
16

Well, if you see them as low quality, it's not a big surprise that they didn't feel the spark.
/r/seduction04/01/26 12:19 PM
8

You would have had an LTR with each one of the 40 women?
/r/seduction04/01/26 11:26 AM
16

"If she already likes you this can make her stop liking you" No. But if she's indifferent, like OP was, this question can be too much.
/r/seduction04/01/26 10:24 AM
14

I hope many people read this, it's excellent advice for any person struggling in social situations.
/r/seduction30/12/25 09:56 PM
20

You can't afford 2 coffees or sth like that? If that's the case, I'd recommend working on your financial situation first.
/r/seduction29/12/25 12:14 PM
-3

I was ready to explain but your very last sentence reeks of pseudo superiority. I hope you felt at least better after writing this.
/r/seduction27/12/25 05:47 AM
119

By seeing her as a human being and not an idealized version of your future gf.
/r/seduction26/12/25 12:50 PM
1

Apologize for what?
/r/seduction14/12/25 08:42 PM
1

Added in my edit.
/r/seduction14/12/25 07:22 PM
9

You sound like you're fallen to deep into pick up theory and apply it onto a relationship that would benefit from a higher comfort level. The first sentence of your edit is spot on. Edit to add: "you say that all the time" is not something that needs to be responded and not commenting on it isn't ghosting.
/r/seduction14/12/25 06:43 PM
11

Would you like to fuck cows or what
/r/seduction13/12/25 01:09 PM
1

They don't want to believe you :)
/r/seduction11/12/25 09:23 AM
2

Some women liking x does not equal to "women really like x" or "women really don't like x". Your question doesn't make much sense, I'm afraid.
/r/seduction09/12/25 04:30 PM
1

just that this is how they manifest in women. How does future faking/DARVO etc. then manifest in men?
/r/seduction09/12/25 03:35 PM
3

DARVO, guilt weapons and future faking (just examples from this list) are the same whether they are done by a man or a woman. you need to differentiate between male/female aggression patterns and asshole behavior.
/r/seduction09/12/25 02:58 PM
1

very wise words
/r/seduction09/12/25 06:58 AM
3

Nah, but calling universal behavior "female manipulation" is.
/r/seduction09/12/25 06:57 AM
6

The ways aren't even that different. Evil men and evil women act pretty similar.
/r/seduction09/12/25 05:38 AM
6

No, then you'd have said sth like 'great minds think alike' with the right tone ofc
/r/seduction17/10/25 08:26 PM
2

You don't need motivation, only discipline.
/r/seduction15/10/25 03:58 AM
3

Not nearly as well as you did with your post :)
/r/seduction14/10/25 03:23 PM
8

You are very right. The incelfication takes away all the fun from seducing and makes it into a gender war.
/r/seduction14/10/25 02:41 PM
-3

You are very rude. Nonetheless, here my comment: why don't you simply tell her that you won't be in the country til 26th?
/r/seduction10/08/25 08:41 AM
3

I wonder why you're downvoted, this is exactly how organic approaches work.
/r/seduction26/07/25 01:42 PM
4

If he's as sweet and respectful as you say, it's usually enough to tell him that you're nervous during the time it happens - and don't be afraid to ask to stop or slow down if something doesn't feel right. No need to apologize for/to feel bad because of your inexperience.
/r/seduction22/07/25 03:31 PM
5

Then start by overcoming your fear of getting close. Once you manage that, next step smalltalk. Etc.etc.
/r/seduction20/07/25 11:36 AM
6

Do you focus on getting a kiss or on a girl you want to kiss?
/r/seduction20/07/25 10:17 AM
42

Exposure to something that makes you anxious is the most effective method to overcome said anxiety. Plus, social skills can be trained with everyone, not only women. The more comfortable you get talking to anyone, the easier it'll be to flirt with girls you're attracted to.
/r/seduction19/07/25 09:00 AM
2

Very well explained, thank you! I agree, the whole picture is much bigger, there'd be a lot more aspects need to be taken into account.
/r/seduction11/07/25 07:29 PM
0

Indeed. But in a seduction sub i wouldn't have expected that kind of approach towards ..seduction.
/r/seduction11/07/25 06:42 PM
-3

This whole effort/reward through sex-perspective is questionable. How'd you feel a woman not dating you because "if he didn't put more effort into me than into any other girl before, he was never mine"? In my experience, the ones with the biggest issues in their dating life are the ones who see romantic gestures as beta traits. And not many of them seem to understand what actual "beta" (read: unattractive) traits are.
/r/seduction11/07/25 05:02 PM
1

Perhaps something like "mind switching between sets?" and then trying to make smalltalk to see if she's open?
/r/seduction10/07/25 07:54 PM
4

Maybe reconsider your situational openers. If "Do you have a fitness channel?" is the first thing you hear from a stranger, defensiveness or a simple (and true) "no" is a much more likely outcome than an enthusiastic "yes" or "noo, but do you think I look like a fitness model? ;) " Sure, tone, body language, mimic etc. play a much more important role in how your approach is being perceived. I.e., did you ask flirty, casually, politely, boldly, nervously etc.etc.
/r/seduction10/07/25 05:05 PM
0

Table tennis can be very sexy. If you know how (and are willing ofc) to build a spark.
/r/seduction27/06/25 02:24 PM
3

Stop waiting for her and date other girls.
/r/seduction26/06/25 09:59 AM
2

Try doing these things for her first and see if she does the same.
/r/seduction19/06/25 11:17 AM
2

Exactly. And later, if needed (or wanted) rekindle the spark. It's all about balance.
/r/seduction18/06/25 04:47 PM
15

Agree. there are rarely sparks without a bit of friction.
/r/seduction18/06/25 04:17 PM
4

Yes-girls = easy mode Maybe girls = advanced mode, results may vary drastically No-girls = don't bother
/r/seduction14/06/25 08:50 AM
-6

Top tier tip, especially in seduction situations: stop referring to women as females and make salty generalizations about them.
/r/seduction11/06/25 06:59 AM
1

your frame is how people see you, not how you imagine yourself in your mind Nope. How people see you is how they frame you. You frame yourself. This shouldn't happen in your mind only but also reflect in what you do and how you behave. if this actually worked then incels would get girls. A frame of woe-is-me and girls-only-like-Chads doesn't get you girls.
/r/seduction03/06/25 01:33 PM
2

DiCarlo's escalation ladder. Progressive physical touch.
/r/seduction03/06/25 11:03 AM
10

Didn't know they scare you, I'm sorry!
/r/seduction02/06/25 06:25 PM
17

Yup, a lot of men spend their party nights imagining how it would be to talk to a woman, that's why you rarely see them approaching. From a female perspective I'd like to add that the only ones me and my gfs ever made fun of were the guys who wandered from woman to woman, hoping one of them would say yes. So don't care too much about how your rejection is perceived, most people won't even recognize what happened.
/r/seduction02/06/25 02:20 PM
1

So the girls don't say anything but in your mind are the other dicks she had?
/r/seduction01/06/25 06:47 AM
6

I should have
/r/seduction31/05/25 10:00 PM
24

Love it when self-proclaimed lowQhoe-fuckers have the audacity to define women's quality levels. Take care of your own quality, there's plenty of headroom.
/r/seduction31/05/25 09:45 PM
44

Doubt it. Source: woman here.
/r/seduction31/05/25 09:37 PM
60

You are a guy bragging about the "low quality hoes" you fucked. Very red flag for a high quality woman.
/r/seduction31/05/25 09:34 PM
1

Pro-tip: Don't date girls who talk to you about the genitalia of their ex partners.
/r/seduction31/05/25 09:27 PM
3

Create the opportunities by yourself and buy a tripod.
/r/seduction30/05/25 02:04 PM
3

Rightly so! We love to see your eyes lol
/r/seduction30/05/25 01:42 PM
29

I'm sure the guys here can provide more insight on the numbers. I just want to add one often overlooked point: Don’t post bad photos of yourself. Many of my guy friends who are actually attractive in real life, had no idea how unflattering their pictures were. Angles, good lighting, no blurry selfies or accidental double chins etc. It's surprising how many of these slip through and end up being the 1st impression a woman gets on a dating app.
/r/seduction30/05/25 01:24 PM
1

i don't want to work that hard for it. ..be careful not to end up in an LTR with no sex, thinking about dating other women, all while hoping you won't end up in a dead bedroom.
/r/seduction26/05/25 04:44 PM
10

Oversimplified generalization here. There are still men who know how to lead (in a non-misogynistic way ofc) and women who like that.
/r/seduction26/05/25 02:19 PM
3

Untainted and undamaged in what sense? By other men?
/r/seduction25/05/25 08:46 AM
11

For actual shy girls: try to make her talk about things she's interested in. Ask specific questions regarding her emotions. A simple: "I'm nervous - how about you?" paired with a smile can work wonders. For girls who claim to be shy and just don't want to carry the burden of a conversation: do something else when the conversational flow is fading. When you come back, act like nothing has happened and be as talkative and energetic as always. Repeat, if necessary. For both: Leave for good if it do…
/r/seduction22/05/25 01:25 PM
4

Either you didn't understand my comment or I didn't understand yours.
/r/seduction21/05/25 03:46 PM
1

Examples of openers me or my gfs liked during our OLD times. I have to add that the age range here was 20-30, conventionally attractive girls who were dating for fun with no intention to immediately start a relationship. "Let's skip the intro and go straight to marriage, how about that? :) " "Almost swiped left by accident, IMAGINE. How are you?" "Please don't be a bot, please" "Have you ever encountered a good opener here?" A lot of relationships in my social circle started with the classic "hi…
/r/seduction21/05/25 10:54 AM
3

Yeah, this as well!
/r/seduction21/05/25 08:10 AM
160

Part of this kind of niceness is also men who don't stand up for themselves. In order to avoid conflict they put up with horrible behavior.
/r/seduction21/05/25 07:34 AM
14

I'd love to see this (excellent) post on r /short :)
/r/seduction01/05/25 01:09 PM
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