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Social IssuesLaniekea/r/MensRights27/06/22 02:32 AM
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Marriage/ChildrenLaniekea/r/MensRights12/11/22 07:44 PM
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Laniekea/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 06:01 PM
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CMVLaniekea/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 07:59 PM
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Question For MenLaniekea/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 08:54 PM
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Question For WomenLaniekea/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 11:10 PM
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DebateLaniekea/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 04:47 PM
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Laniekea/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 05:54 PM
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Laniekea/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 10:24 PM
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Question For WomenLaniekea/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 04:17 PM
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Laniekea/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 02:46 AM
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Social IssuesLaniekea/r/MensRights15/11/22 03:34 AM
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Social IssuesLaniekea/r/MensRights31/08/22 05:11 PM
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Marriage/ChildrenLaniekea/r/MensRights27/06/24 07:37 PM
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DiscussionLaniekea/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 04:43 PM
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Social IssuesLaniekea/r/MensRights02/12/22 05:31 PM
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Question For MenLaniekea/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 08:38 PM
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Marriage/ChildrenLaniekea/r/MensRights20/07/22 01:31 AM
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The issue is they create a red flag because they are so common. And women don't want to get knee deep into a relationship to find out the guy was just on a break from games or that he was hiding how much he's playing especially if there's another guy who is career driven and doesn't game is also hitting on her. If you want advice for dating, tell women your hobbies are cooking, home improvement, that your work is your hobby and that you coach a little league team in your free time.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 12:15 AM
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I think the reason is because there are a lot of men who are so obsessed with videogames they shirk their real life responsibilities. They don't want or care to self improve for their career, or sometimes even to get a job. They dont even have the capacity to carve out time to care for themselves, exercise, shower, sleep at appropriate hours let alone have time for others or potential children or give attention to a relationship and women don't want to constantly compete with that. Im a textbook…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 10:32 PM
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Fewer men are attracted to her That might be true, but that doesn't mean that her dating pool has shrunk. The number of men that actually are able to date significantly below their age range is a fraction of a percent.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 08:59 PM
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The op was blaming it on attractiveness. My point was that it doesn't have to do with attractiveness
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 11:15 PM
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I don't think that it's because she's older is my point..I think it's because as men get older they are more likely to be in relationships. There's only a very small section of people that will actually date someone that is significantly out of their age range
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 10:17 PM
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Regardless of what age women are, very few are interested in dating men significantly older or younger so their dating pool doesn't really change because of age. It might change with age as more men find relationships and leave the market.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 06:03 PM
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I don't
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 01:51 AM
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Because women give up more in relationships so they are pickier.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 06:42 PM
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That stops becoming an option at a certain age
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 11:45 PM
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Do you have any evidence to support your theory that women are less attracted to men who want kids?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 10:12 PM
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Then why do stepdads exist?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 10:11 PM
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I think it depends on why men want children. Do all men simply want children because it's a biological extension of himself? Or is it also other things related to parenthood that men are hoping to experience.. I have a hard time believing the primary is the universal thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 09:20 PM
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I think that's fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 09:18 PM
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There's obviously people that want kids..
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 09:15 PM
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I understand that most men don't consider raising someone else's kids as ideal. But If men cant seem to pin down a relationship and the prospect of having your own biological children starts looking bleak for more men, wouldn't it happen more often?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 09:12 PM
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What about men who do want their own kid?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 09:09 PM
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They wouldn't want to settle for men who want kids?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 09:07 PM
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Women have more kids than men do. Think about that for a second..
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 09:06 PM
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Not asking you specifically but if you think men in general would.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 09:05 PM
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/women-children-study-1.7119845
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 08:52 PM
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The entry point is like 34k
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 08:46 PM
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The payment is higher than other cars. Also people that drive these cars are usually concerned with how they look at their white collar job or for their clients.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 08:20 PM
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Lambo- you have a lot of money somehow Mustang-depends on how old it is. If it's vintage that's a good sign that you care about your stuff. If it's new, emotional intelligence of a 14 year old. Jeep wrangler. You're lesbian or you live deep in the woods Genesis. Probably white collar jobs. You've gone through other luxury brands and wanted to try something new Dodge chrysler. You had a lot of kids out of wedlock. Tesla: you're new in your white collar probably tech related career and are a bad d…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 01:53 PM
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The reality of society is that women who do those things are generally pursuing a lifestyle where they don't work. So most people won't assume they have a career. You're less likely to find a man with a luxury car paid for by DW. So there's a different expectation for that person's work ethic
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 12:31 AM
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I mean luxury brands
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 10:55 PM
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To be fair, when most women say get a hobby, they don't want a hobby that cost tens of thousands of dollars. They're thinking like hiking or running, or surfing. It's kind of like the equivalent of the crazy horse girl
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 06:58 PM
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But to my point, is there a significant difference between a Honda and an Audi? Is the Honda guy “bad” or less worthy because he’s not an Audi? Yeah it's cheaper. Women know that it's a cheaper car. You don't have to be an enthusiast to know that. The difference is I would assume the guy driving a new Honda is just starting in his career whereas the guy driving the new Audi is established in a high paying career.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 04:05 PM
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Id probably think you're a college student
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 04:03 PM
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Woman here. We do care. It's just that it's not in the way you think. If you're driving a lifted truck or a suped up Charger we will assume you have the emotional intelligence of a 14 year old If you're driving anything sporty or with fins we might think you're a bit pretentious or very young If you're driving an Honda or a Subaru we think you're an average responsible guy If you're driving a beater we might assume you're barely scraping by or are very frugal If you're driving a new clean Audi o…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 03:36 PM
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Im conservative and I just put a question mark by it
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 10:28 PM
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I don't think that's fair. We are talking about adults here. You are an adult you can say words. "No" or "wait" are not hard to say. You freezing up should not land people in jail or ruin people's lives. We need to stop treating women like socially incapable children.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 05:35 PM
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Consent isn't always sexy. Can I touch your boob? Can I take this off? Can I put it here? Is this okay? Are you sure? it's sometimes annoying and awkward, can come off juvenile and it makes men look less assertive. Most women want assertive. Some women don't but women are not a hive mind. I don't think people should be expected to ask for consent for every little thing. It can ruin a mood. But they should have to abide by a hard "no". And it's on people to speak up.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 05:15 PM
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Nah. Single women with children who are not widows tend to make catastrophically poor choices which is how they got into that situation. So it's a red flag. Obviously. Women look at single men with children the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 11:56 PM
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Because they don't judge as much as women
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 01:02 AM
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I just don't think it's the primary indicator.ike it might be a strong indicator but I wouldn't call it the most important thing
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 01:37 AM
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I think all three relationships I described are egalitarian. I just think two of them are harder
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 04:15 AM
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Because I agree with you and my op agrees with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 03:44 AM
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Would you opt to live in any previous society over this one?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 02:29 AM
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I think you misunderstood my argument
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 02:29 AM
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I agree with that. We could maintain our living standard But imagine if we had chosen to maintain our living standard 60 years ago and we didn't produce phones, Internet, microwaves or green energy, better cars, better anything. More socialist countries have markedly lower gdp growth. Less growth means less new businesses, less innovation. Socialist countries can be good at achieving a base living standard quickly for a lot of people, but they lag being other Capitalist countries for growth over…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 09:16 PM
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I would argue that communication ability is more important but I agree that it is at least a strong indicator
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 09:11 PM
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Why do you think SAHDs wouldn't be equally economically disadvantaged to SAHMs
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 09:10 PM
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Yes I can because it's more similar to a traditional relationship than the other two examples
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 09:09 PM
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Because I recognize that the economic implications of that would lead to worse living standards over time. I'm not relegating anyone. I think all three relationships listed are perfectly reasonable and ethical marriage choices. I just think one choice is easier and more often successful Could you answer my question though
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 09:06 PM
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reasonable career work can easily be through most of the months of pregnancy I disagree with that. It can be achieved obviously but it is not easy at all. It takes alot of energy to grow a human and the first trimester is often the worst. STAHD only doesn't work when the dad still expects the mom to do most of the keeping track of the kids. I agree with that but I think sahds also have to do more work than SAHMs if they want a successful marriage
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 09:03 PM
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I said "more" traditional. If you disagree explain why it is less traditional than the other two examples
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 09:00 PM
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where the guy didn't work nor get higher education pairs up with a provider woman to be a SAHD is extraordinarily rare and not really relevant to the larger context and conversation Do you have evidence that its more rare than the inverse? I am aware that SAHDs are less common, but not that they are less likely to be educated than SAHMS. Your assertion is that traditional relationships are easier (and now, I guess, apparently happier) which is why they don't divorce as much The divorce rate acro…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 08:58 PM
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Do you have evidence that divorce rates are worse for atheist SAHM relationships than they are for parents with two incomes? Or SAHD relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 08:54 PM
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I would actually argue that going to college and getting a white collar career that pays well is far easier over your lifetime than trying to survive on base level or trade jobs. They have less benefits, less vacation, are less engaging and are often more physically difficult. Let alone if two people are doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 08:50 PM
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Have you considered that is because it's the most common family unit, especially in your parents generation. Statistically it's less likely when there is a sahm
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 08:47 PM
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I don't see how it's relevant to my post
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 08:46 PM
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Why do you think SAHDs do?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 08:45 PM
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Do you think sex is the primary indicator of a healthy marriage?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 07:53 PM
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Okay. Explain why it is less traditional than having a stay-at-home dad, or two working parents
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 07:52 PM
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cant exclude the bits you don't like That's my point. The research excludes all ages above six
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 07:51 PM
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Do you think it's less traditional than the other two examples provided?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 07:50 PM
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Why do you think it is like slavery?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 07:49 PM
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Okay. If You had to do your job 24 hours a day while also cooking and cleaning and finding time to take care of yourself do you think it would be easy?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 07:47 PM
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would a woman be unhappy that she has to breastfeed or pump milk for her child or give birth though the man can't No I'm asking why the man wouldn't be at least equally economically disadvantaged. You provided no evidence for your claims, why are you asking for evidence of mine? Stay at home moms are less likely to divorce than working moms or relationships with SAHDS https://academic.oup.com/qje/article-abstract/130/2/571/2330321?redirectedFrom=fulltext
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 06:39 PM
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I discussed that in the op. It's just "more" traditional
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 06:18 PM
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So the research is biased because it only includes moms with young children or infants. I recognize that probably is the case because those are the hardest years. But it would be like comparing your most difficult and taxing years of your career and then comparing it to motherhood as a whole and then saying "work is harder".
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 06:17 PM
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I admit that religioun can effect the overall stats, but I think that the rule would even hold true in athiest relationships. I also recognize that there's a lot of factors that contribute to a good relationship. I just think that the average will work out more often in the traditional relationship. can they still engage in hobbies and interests outside of their kids from time to time. I would argue that there is more opportunity for this for both partners in the traditional structure. I’ve told…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 06:08 PM
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Can you provide research?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 06:03 PM
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They also fail less because the women are less economically empowered to survive on her own with children, making leaving a worse deal for herself and her kids if she left regardless of religiosity Why would it be different for relationships with SAHDs? They fail less because many are religious and against divorce, regardless of how miserable they are Do you have evidence that the relationships are on average more miserable than the two alternatives?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 06:01 PM
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Why do you think they are miserable or even more miserable than women who work and have kids?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 05:58 PM
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I'm certainly not arguing that it is the only indicator of a successful relationship. Obviously you can have abusive partners etc. My argument is that on average it will work out more often than the alternatives because there is less total work or overtaxing in the relationship, I also understand that dual income is often necessary. But even in cases where it isn't necessary and it will only afford you is extra luxuries, the relationship will still work out less often than one where there is les…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 05:57 PM
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Murdering babies because you want to have fun in your 20s is despicable
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 08:14 PM
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Why not both at the same time? I don't want to wait around for moms to stop killing their children
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 07:27 PM
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"Murder is bad" is based on feelings and ethics but I see no reason why they are not comparable.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 07:19 PM
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I guess the point I'm making is that it's both. There is a punitive side to it. Not to all women but to women who seek elective abortion. But also I think communities should rally to help parents in need
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 07:17 PM
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I'm a mom I have a 6 month old baby. I'm gonna warn you this story is the saddest thing I've ever read, and if you don't want to be sad all week stop here. There is a single mom who had an 18 month old toddler who one day was fed up, grabbed a suitcase, put her baby in a playpen with a few bottles of milk and walked out the door and went and vacationed for 10 days in the Caribbean. Her baby tried to survive eating her own feces, cried for her mom for 7 days, her cries were even picked up on the …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 06:02 PM
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There's a lot of pro life religious groups that run private charities to support women and help connect moms with various resources. One such example is: https://savethestorks.com Conservatives just generally support private charities over public charities
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 05:12 PM
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Sure but the idea that there's a bunch more women dying in childbirth, which seems to be what his argument is based on, isn't true
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 04:23 PM
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Maternal deaths have actually declined since roe was overturned and it looks like it's going to decline again for 2024. I think abortion is a terrible tragedy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 04:11 AM
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I know 60 year old men who live with their parents because their parents have health issues and need round the clock care. I don't think it's age as much as situation
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 12:00 AM
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Women don't need socialization to be paired with sex
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 07:10 PM
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Basically every study we have shows that women are vastly more picky than men are on average That's because they can be.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 03:59 PM
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Then don't complain
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 12:07 AM
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The rule of dating is: If you are not succeeding, lower your standards!! I know several incels who won't even look at a mom with kids or an obese woman... even though they themselves are obese. Of course it's going to feel this way for anyone that refuses to lower their standards
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 10:28 PM
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I have to ask do you actually believe your flair?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 03:13 PM
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In modern society a man's usefulness as a protector is diminished. women can go to a sperm bank if they want to find a healthy donor to make healthy babies. So men have to make themselves valuable as companions, or if they can give women the ability to raise their children as they want. Not just as protectors or sperm donors. Women still value their companions and value their children's childhoods. Most women don't get to raise their children the way they want (ability to stay home, have nannies…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 03:12 AM
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or guys with dimorphism What do you mean? I think there’s this evolutionary quality of women to only want tribal leaders I think that men install leaders that will subjugate women because it benefits them. Women didn't have much say until physical strength became irrelevant to success. And now we live in an economy where women's natural strengths may be more valuable. The plight of women is bad, really bad near that of slaves in many cultures, and it’s centered around, appreciate regular men, an…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 03:01 AM
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women don’t care about men That's the conclusion you drew from this: More than half of women I world don’t have equal rights now Because what I drew from it was that men don't care about women. They care about what benefits themselves to the point where they will oppress women. And from this is why women get oppressed they can’t stop with men that help them somehow Shows that even in history the only men that did well (because historically even if you did marry, fat chance either person actually…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 02:30 AM
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cuff them at the ankles 😬 America 1777 We also had men in slavery in 1777 and women couldn't marry below their caste. It also wasn't really new, they just adopted Englands culture
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 02:20 AM
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Sucks
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 02:11 AM
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Here's my theory. Women actually approach men just as much as men today if not more. Not in our parents generation but in younger gens. most of my friends relationships (including mine) started with the girl approaching the boy. The reason for this stereotype is because: Older generations didn't act this way Men who are partnerless are more disaffected because they have less power over sex than women who are partnerless so they complain more. Men in younger generations have WAY less social emoti…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 03:47 AM
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Why is every top comment removed??
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 09:46 PM
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Have a kid and then tell me it's not worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 11:35 PM
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It depends on your jurisdiction. Stealthing is illegal in some jurisdictions including California and the UK
/r/MensRights09/07/24 02:13 PM
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They watch that too.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 03:40 PM
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How do you get the pretty cursive?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 04:03 AM
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Women have a more emotional response to sex than men who have a more physical response to sex. Women are much more emotional creatures and they are also better than men at reading emotion. So when women watch other women in porn it's not because we're attracted to them. It's because we want to be them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 03:57 AM
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They aren't in college. They're at parties trying to find a sugar daddy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 08:05 PM
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You say that like any newly formed couples, with or without prior experience, won't be blindsided by something when living together for the first time. You've only had one experience of living together with your husband, so you've got to build a decade+ of structures around those things. That structure might work with someone else, or it might be completely dissonant. It isn't aeven really about vibing with the specific person. It's about the fact that single men usually don't even know how to d…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 11:41 PM
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Back in the day marriage was more of a safety blanket to help women get by. So in a way, they had to be more loyal to their man That's not a good thing because people would be financially tied in abusive relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 04:01 PM
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I don't really care why they do it. I don't think the government should have that power over it's citizens
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 04:30 PM
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The reason that women get abortion and men don't has nothing to do with finances and everything to do with the right not to be forced by the government to go through a medical procedure.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 11:10 PM
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Men nowadays don’t make enough money to even have kids. How are you going to support your partner and a newborn in this economy This is a fallacy. Though it is commonly parroted by left media real wages, or wages adjusted for inflation (purchasing power) have not really changed since the 60s for non-supervisory wage earners. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2018/08/07/for-most-us-workers-real-wages-have-barely-budged-for-decades/ For salary earners, they have increased. So salary workers …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 03:49 AM
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that. And men do not want free stuff. Men work jobs. And work more hours (even today). The very house and cars men pay for and the MAINTAINENCE required for all the machinery and whatnot is definitely not free. There are studies that have found that women take less average leisure time than men, even in families without children. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2013/03/14/chapter-6-time-in-work-and-leisure-patterns-by-gender-and-family-structure/ So your premise is wrong. Men are not w…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 07:56 PM
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Why should CPS or the courts prioritize the better spouse over the better parent? You can be a great spouse and a shit parent. You can also be a shit parent and a great spouse. The kids normally go to the parent that provides the most parental support.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 07:51 PM
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Men don't want to leave their families for two reasons though. Men have a harder time finding partners than women. Because men have higher libidos than women, sex is more important so they will sacrifice more to keep it. That's nature. It's women's instinct to protect their health. Get over it. They don't want to have to pay their wives for the labor their wives have already provided them. They want free stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 04:43 PM
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Do you at least think that adults should be responsible to pay for their children's welfare? And whichever member of the family takes on the career should be expected to pay the spouse for their lost career progression. The career holder also benefitted from their childcare/homecare financially. There are 24/7 nannies that are paid over 200,000 dollars a year. So they also worked for it. Nothing gets handed to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 04:39 PM
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So let me guess... you were divorced. The reason that we gave marriage to the state was because abusive dick heads would take all the marital assets and leave their wives and children pennyless. Because some men just really suck. Women should have the right to divorce over anything and so should men. Legally, divorce is just a financial transaction. You don't get to use money as a leash.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 03:06 PM
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....
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 02:56 PM
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It's not because men have higher libido. It's nature, survival instinct, and it's because women have to deal with childbirth.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 11:25 PM
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Nice projection on your stupid ideas of what men are like. Wow strawmanning. I never said I believe men are like that in general. I'm describing the men that I've met/seen that I've called "Incel". People that hold dehumanizing beliefs deserve to be dehumanized. End of story.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 10:27 PM
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Lol no it isn't. It's the same as calling someone racist. If you think society is broken because women aren't required to marry your virgin ass at 18 as a solution to fight depression in men (yes I've heard this argument). Or say you think women should be legally forced to stay married so your ex wife couldn't divorce you (cough cough Crowder), you're an Incel and you should feel bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 10:09 PM
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Because the narrative they try to push is that if you marry a woman with higher education, it's a safer bet, because she's marrying later in life so she got her life together etc It's not a narrative. There's also ample data that found that people that get married later are less likely to divorce. But both can be true. Men who make less than their wives are also more likely to get divorced.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 07:03 PM
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Honestly, I've seen more people talk about women complaining about this than actual women complaining about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 06:51 PM
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The original version of Incel doesn't necessarily mean that you're a virgin. It could also just mean that you're involuntarily lacking sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 05:18 PM
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I've called men incels before but it's not because they are a virgin. It's because they used degrading speech towards women. No, it's not stooping though to their level. It's calling some one out on their bullshit and expect him to take some responsibility for their stupid actions. If you're an asshole, you deserve to be called out for it, not coddled.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 05:15 PM
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Honestly I did my time with the guy that was inexperienced. I've contributed the several years it takes men to learn how to have good sex. If my husband died I probably wouldn't date men that haven't been in at least one long term relationship. Not just because the sex but also the experience being in a relationship. There's a lot that you need to learn, how to compromise and communication, that I don't want to have to teach again. It's definitely not "disgust". I wouldn't call it that. I've bee…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 05:54 PM
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I think it's more hostile for everyone
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 02:28 AM
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Companionship, a father figure for kids, financial security, cuddles, social relationship perks.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 12:54 AM
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Because she just risked her life to push your baby out of her vagina and you have the audacity to question her fidelity because you're hoping to dodge child support.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 09:11 PM
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Because there are plenty of careers out there that pay amazing and require no college education They aren't as stable when you can just get fired. Degrees make it easier to find work if you get fired. Though I certainly think it matters more when you are younger and not established in your career
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 11:21 AM
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Both are true
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 12:13 AM
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She won't that's why they end in divorce more often.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 12:06 AM
1

Explain "forced into it"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 02:45 PM
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But there are studies that show that. Like studies that men divorce is more common when the woman makes more. And that there are better child outcomes and that moms benefit from bonding time.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 02:06 AM
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Then you're probably talking about guys that suck at home/child care. It's way more demanding than most jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 10:50 PM
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Because most men make terrible sahps. They don't contribute 50/50. They don't keep the house clean without constant reminding and management by mom. They ignore kids. They do the bare minimum of childcare. They think being a stay at home parent means gaming half the day and vacuuming once a week while the kids run wild. And it almost always turns into a one sided relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 10:48 PM
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Even if that was true, it doesn't negate the arguments that I made.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 10:35 PM
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Counterpoint Men who are married a sahm are generally happier. They feel more fulfilled and less emasculated in being able to be the provider. Especially in comparison to when the wife makes more. Their wife has more time to home make The wife is happier if she can spend time bonding The wife has more energy for things like sex (though with toddlers I recognize that won't matter) Happy wife = happy life
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 03:58 PM
1

And you think single men want women to be successful with other men?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 01:05 PM
0

It's also true for female artists though
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 12:09 AM
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That's true. Women are just prettier. We have centuries of women figures dominating art to show it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 08:42 PM
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The man not providing or not talking to the woman is seen as abuse, How was is that abuse? I mean if he's not providing financially and does nothing else to contribute then I could see it being financial abuse. You don't get to sit on the couch all day gaming while your wife takes care of you. And not talking? I don't get that. Men are not malicious for being centered around sex The problem is you used "centered" meaning it's the priority. Sure sex is important. Nobody is saying it isn't importa…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 06:41 PM
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People don't choose their spouses based on physical attraction they choose their dates based on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 03:05 PM
1

Again the premise is flawed. Women don't need a partner to have a family or be happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 03:59 PM
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I'm missing the part where that's a problem
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 03:33 PM
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that most childless women wanted children and that probably means they wanted a husband and a family. Your premise is flawed. That's not how that works. There's a lot of women who are happy to have a family on their own. Revenge fantasy? Some comments will probably use this term to describe this post, but this is not revenge fantasy because it sucks for men too, probably more than for women. Men are not getting any satisfaction seeing women suffer because they are dying alone just because they a…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 09:23 AM
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I would want to date someone that equals my maturity. That's probably not a 20 year difference, but it could be a 2-5 year difference. Though I ended up with someone my age but he's also very mature for his age.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 10:34 PM
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I'm comparable to the woman on the right. My husband makes 200k+ at age 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 05:30 PM
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There's a lot of room between a doormat and someone that is unwilling to compromise
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 12:00 AM
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How many engagement rings have you received in your life? If the answer is 0, or you're currently unmarried, what makes you think commitment is as easy as you think? I'm married I married my high school sweetheart Look at declining marriage statistics. Look at increasing age of first marriage. Look at how more than 50% of babies are now born to single mothers. People are fucking, but fewer men are marrying, and more kids are born out of wedlock. Less commitment is happening. What you forgot is t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 02:25 AM
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There is, but I think that push Is predominantly fueled by women entering career fields and not wanting the traditional family.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 10:01 PM
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Where? What dating threads?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 09:56 PM
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I've never met a woman near my age who left a relationship because he was taking too long to propose. I also have not seen an adult woman get turned down. I've seen women get annoyed by it or push for a proposal because he's less ready than she is, but when that happens a proposal has always followed. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, and frankly I don't have the most educated perspective because I married my HS sweetheart I never really entered the dating scene.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 09:54 PM
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Many men who commit do it because it is conditional from women to move them and make a family. If they are not put under than condition, they may as well cohabitate and make a whole family with no issue as plenty of couples do. Men don't need legal contract to love and care for a family. Those men are not loving marriage, they are loving women, but marriage is a requirement for the relationship to they take it. I don't buy that. My husband wanted to get married because he valued the commitment t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 09:44 PM
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I have met men who fell in love with their first stripper Obviously that went nowhere
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 09:39 PM
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The problem is that most men don't want to commit to relationships with women who they think are lower value than them Well nobody does. But it's a difference of how much they are willing to compromise. And women will compromise less so it happens less often that they "date down". That's been the trend through pretty much every society in history. Look at the 18th century Europe women always aimed above their station, but there was less emphasis on this for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 09:37 PM
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I mean I really don't think so. I'm attracted to responsible men. Being confident or hot helps but I'm not going to be in a relationship with someone just because they're hot Frankly if they were unemployed for no good reason or were in a dead end job, ditched a child, cheated, was generally unkind, did hard drugs or was a heavy drinker it would be an immediate no. Zero chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 07:22 PM
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I'm here because I don't go into a workplace so it's part of my replacement for gossip. I'm a woman. Drama is a guilty pleasure. I love analyzing relationship dynamics because I find it interesting and my husband just doesn't as much so I do it with you people
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 01:04 AM
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No women are exceptions to this rule either according to red pill men. So this means that no relationship is spared either Can you really not see why this rationale is greatly lacking? Do you really not understand that the majority of men are not red pill?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 08:39 PM
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counting my husband then like 5000 times a day. Otherwise maybe 10 times per year. Never someone I know and I turn them down nicely. I'm not someone who goes to clubs often, but I live in a city so it happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 04:10 AM
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Do you think more men should adopt mindsets like your brother I don't think that assuming there is a one-size-fits-all approach is going to work. My brother to my knowledge has never really even attempted dating. He's 31 and the only dating he's engaged in was dances in high school where the girl asked him, neither of which he was very excited about. He's never tried a dating app, or gone to a bar with the intention of picking up women. I've asked him if the reason he doesn't try to date is beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 06:35 PM
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I'm not convinced that it would make him happy. He likes having control over his own life and his schedule and I don't think he really wants a woman in his life influencing his schedule. He's healthy and he has healthy friendships and work life.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 06:04 PM
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Trying to "correct" him would only make him less happy. So it's not a "correction" at all
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 05:21 PM
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like "women don't owe you affection / love / sex just cause you get along and you are nice to them" or whatever. He is attacked as an "incel", 'nice guy" and mocked and attacked for his complaint Yet there are so many Hollywood tropes where the nerd protagonist ends up with the pretty hot girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 08:26 PM
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Yes absolutely. My brother is a total weeb, virgin, fits what people would expect to be an "incel" but is always respectful to women. My brother had learning challenges in childhood, he also has OCD, I watched him overcome it and graduate college, and I watched him grow into a healthy self-sustaining man who prioritizes his happiness and has interesting hobbies.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 08:17 PM
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Beyond children.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 03:48 PM
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I have a ton of guy friends because I play video games and DND which is just not as popular among women. But I realize I met most of them before I got married.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 03:46 PM
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Sorry to say but a woman seeking male friends needs to bring a lot to the table to be just friends with him. I would imagine it's about the same thing that a male friend brings to the table. Maybe they have common interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 01:18 AM
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Are you a man or woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 11:14 PM
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Yeah it was that one
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 10:27 PM
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Why do you think?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 08:58 PM
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Use your intuition and don't make a concrete rule
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 09:02 PM
3

Chivalry was created as a tool to try to combat oppression and inequality though.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 02:01 AM
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I think if it's your own money or your own effort. Someone voting to have somebody else pay money towards some charity or welfare isn't really martyrdom. There actually has to be personal sacrifice.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 08:38 PM
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What do you mean "institutionalized"?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 08:30 PM
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I think that a lot of it is more social than physical. Someone protecting someone from verbal or online bullying would be a modern example of chivalry. A man keeping his cool and not being easily angered would also be chivalry. Volunteering in general. I also think that women love it when people hold the door open for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 08:19 PM
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chivalry is often seen at worse as "innocuous" sexism by most women, even many feminists. Nah. Most women love chivalry. I also really don't think a lot of people understand chivalry. While much of chivalry was towards women, chivalry was originally designed to prevent knights from being violent and barbaric, and that included towards other knights. Things like not striking down another knight's horse, and having self-control, and "fighting with honor". Courage and mercy. Holding prisoners ranso…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 08:11 PM
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It depends on who takes what responsibilities. I also think that isn't so much about the cost but about how much time you spend working. My husband is an engineer with a masters degree, he makes double what I could potentially make working full-time in my field. I find that it's unreasonable when I see posts about women who don't have a degree and work pretty average jobs being expected to contribute equally to a household when he has a degree and income like my husband, especially because that …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 06:36 PM
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LOL what a silly theory that should be disconfirmed by the fact that you and your husband are both gamers... We're both gamers and have had bouts of addiction. But when we were addicted it was when we were long distance.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 08:51 PM
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Probably, but because of libito. Men care about sex significantly more, but that's just biology
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 08:29 PM
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I didn't say it was. But you are aa human. If video games prevent humans from going out and having sex, why aren't you a virgin? Because I'm a girl that plays games, it means you're always in an environment that's oversaturated with men. I've always been highly active. productive" non-virgins, then where are these unproductive virgins getting the money to keep the industry so successful? Minimum wage jobs. doubt it's more than TV/netflix/the-like. I don't think it's as addictive as gaming. Like …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 04:59 PM
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It really isn't. You've played a lot of video games and aren't a virgin. I'm a girl and the video game industry certainly is not being held up by me. and if they have health issues then I doubt they have the time to be working the kind of jobs that give them that much money. The idea is the games are causing the health issues. It really doesn't add up Except video game addiction seems to be much more common than other hobby addiction
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 02:05 AM
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There's also compstat and mass incarceration.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 01:46 AM
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My understanding is that addiction usually encourages people to isolate themselves because they don't want people to break their addiction. But it's the Chicken and the egg argument. By the way, I think the main reasons for dating failures for men are unattractiveness and lack of dating skills. Those sad gamers and similar characters account for a small proportion of romantically unsuccessful men. You realize that how being healthy can greatly increase your attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 01:44 AM
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If you look at the gaming market, you'll find that it's not kept afloat by 30-year-old unhealthy virgins. It isn't? That's pretty much how it seems to me and Ive played a lot of video games with a lot of men. They are the group of gamers that have the most money to spend on games and gaming equipment. There's also productive men that play video games for a few hours a week, but I doubt they spend nearly as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 01:41 AM
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Do you think that girl's getting body dysmorphia is preventing them from dating on a large scale?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 11:13 PM
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Our experience has been that when our friends start working on their health, and sort of ease off video games, that they actually have dated more women during those times
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 11:10 PM
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I'm not talking about youth as much as I'm talking about 20 somethings.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 11:09 PM
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I don't buy for a second that the guys this woman normally dates is part of this group of men that were broken by previous women . It sounds more like a man that either gets way too much tail, or has a friend group that idolizes a specific "dating" standard where a relationship is more about sex than intimacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 10:25 PM
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Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 12:19 AM
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Have you ever made out with your friend?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 12:15 AM
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I have way more sex than I buy or think about jewelry.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 08:34 PM
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I'm by myself in a bar or my friend is purposefully on the other side of the room. I'm dolled up and only with one other woman (doesn't work for large groups as well) My body language is forward rather than backwards or slumped (usually a sign they are comfortable with people flirting with them).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 08:23 PM
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Id argue there's significantly less incentive for women to lie about the intention of a one night stand
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 05:38 PM
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According to healthline, the average weight of a 20 to a 39-year-old is 167 lb. The average height is 5 ft 4 in Since the woman in your article is at the top end she probably be closer to 170, Which would look like the upper pictures in these photos. https://images.app.goo.gl/MSGfjHzg9tSRUFn56 The women in your picture looks like she might be a few pounds less than it might be a few inches taller. The average woman in the United States also probably isn't blonde hair and blue-eyed. She would hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 06:40 PM
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Yeah... Upon reviewing your profile it looks like you're just a guy with a deflora kink
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 12:06 AM
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Fake it till you make it
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 03:46 PM
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Well my husband was my boyfriend back then. we met in sophomore year. I think he thought it was pretty hot. I definitely wasn't the prettiest girl in school, but far from the worst, I don't think that it had anything to do with me being a tomboy, as much as it was just genetics.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 11:35 PM
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Yes it's almost always detrimental, giving a woman a compliment isn't going to be an equal exchange with sex the vast majority of the time. But I don't think it looks dumb. I think that men that give compliments look confident.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 02:18 AM
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I think this is the answer. If you're an unattractive man who has an unattractive woman, you're doing a lot better than unattractive single man. But if you're hot, and your girlfriend isnt, people are going to think you were better off single.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 02:17 AM
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I feel like emotional attraction heightens physical attraction. So when you fall out of love with someone I'm not saying that attraction disappears but it's probably still somewhat there.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 01:51 AM
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Because they're horny
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 04:28 PM
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Statistically no. The problem is that women that follow traditional gender roles get married younger, are less educated, and make less money. So the outcomes for health, divorce, and also their children's outcomes are worse because of a lower economic status. (It's also worse for men because of divorce rates) There's a caveat, where if you have a mother that worked for the first 10 years of her adult life, and then had a child and then stayed home with that child, that actually helps the child h…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 04:25 PM
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I was a tomboy. When I was really little like fifth grade, I used to be a bit of a schoolyard bully. Id wear baggy pants and camo shirts. I didn't make fun of people, but I would chase a couple boys around the playground and pinch them. I did less of that into high school, but I was very into video games, would play airsoft. I had grown up around boys, they were just the kids on my street, and had always felt more comfortable around boys. I had friends that were girls but I wouldn't call them su…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 04:09 PM
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If a Woman is broke nobody cares, if a Man is broke he is a clown. If a Women is short nobody cares, if a man is Short hes weak. If a Man fucks around most people dont care, if a woman does it its bad. I agree with you until your last point. I think to a point you're right. Men are more likely to cheat because of physical urges. Women are more likely to cheat emotionally when they're not getting enough out of their relationship. But I would argue that that makes the men much worse. Cheating on s…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 03:57 PM
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Just don't date someone attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 07:06 PM
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Some of these I think you're misunderstanding. Some of these are literally divorce firms so probably not most unbiased source. For example the last one is talking about having a bank account thats only in your name. I think like half of couples have separate finances. It doesn't mean that it's kept secret. It just means that they can't reach into your account and pull everything out and leave you without money the day you break up.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 01:38 AM
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Not when you're in a bachelorette party. Usually it's congratulatory to the bride.
/r/MensRights10/03/23 01:00 AM
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Yes it is. Having a fund in case you need to leave your husband is a commonplace conversation. I have never once in my life heard somebody bring that up. I've heard people talk about having a way out if you're in an abusive relationship. Like having an apartment safe haven. But I've never heard anybody recommend that to somebody that wasn't already in an abusive relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 12:40 AM
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The list that you're referencing is satire. They blurr it out in the video. But if you look closely, one of the things on the list that men are not allowed to do is "exist"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 10:17 PM
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Do you think that when a man works 8 hours a day to provide for his family, that he is hiding assets from her because his job is a "back-up plan"?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 10:13 PM
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We hear all the time that a woman can't afford to be economically dependent on any man, because he can use it as a weapon to control her and she'll be left without anything if they eventually break up. Ok, so basically women should never trust their men completely. Got it. When this argument is used, it's usually used to try to encourage women to get an education so that they have a way to support themselves financially. It is not used to convince women to hide money from their husbands. But i w…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 10:07 PM
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Again, I've never seen it happen so the idea that she's already planning to cheat is just silly to me.
/r/MensRights09/03/23 08:08 PM
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I think there are much better reasons to refuse drinks from strange men, but if it's handed over the bar it's pretty safe. I think it's probably a good idea not to get too drunk on a yacht. If my husband had asked me to do this at my bachelorette party for this reason, I probably would have thought there was some trust issues. Or that he thought I was immature.
/r/MensRights09/03/23 07:49 PM
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This is why this sub is not a good place to ask this question. I've been to probably a dozen bachelorette parties. I've accepted drinks from men. I've accepted rounds of shots from men. I've gone with other married women, I've seen those women get shit faced drunk, high you name it. Neither myself, nor any of the other married women cheated. Turns out, that going to clubs and jumping on yachts is fun for a lot of reasons
/r/MensRights09/03/23 07:45 PM
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I honestly don't know what you mean. What physical advantage is going to give men power over women in a dating sphere?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 07:09 PM
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I had a gamer buddy who met a woman online from South america. She talked to like a pornstar, like it was very obvious to everybody but him that she was intentionally trying to sound sexy and she was way too hot for him. They "dated" for about a year. As soon as she found out that he was a mailman and not a wealthy american, she dumped him. It turns out that her brother was trying to hook her up with a sugar daddy so that she could get citizenship, a divorce settlement and send money home. Anfis…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 06:55 PM
2

You mean rape?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 06:42 PM
2

Because men have willingly given up the massive advantage they had in the dating scene in the hopes that not leveraging it would make things better for everyone? what advantage?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 06:20 PM
2

Create John Snow characters and put them all over TV
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 06:15 PM
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I don't understand why they're saying that it doesn't require a surrogate. Like it's cool that they were able to create a make using two male genes. But where did it grow?
/r/MensRights09/03/23 06:04 PM
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Yes. Attractive women have the ability to line men up who are attractive, dependable, and wealthy. They will line up men who they are compatible with. Sometimes Steve gets married, and then they'll just line somebody else up. I think you also find that most attractive married women have a steve or several. Somebody who is Plan B if the marriage fails, husband dies, etc. It doesn't mean that they don't love their husband or wouldn't be miserable if they died. Doesn't mean that they are in love wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 05:15 PM
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Yes men do date competitively. They want to have a better girl than all their guy friends. Women do the same thing. But I don't think that in either case it is a defining factor. It's just one thing that they consider. I think that men and women don't really want to date sluts. They know that sluts are a red flag because either they're not looking for a serious relationship, or they're at higher risk of cheating. Single Moms. I would rather shoot myself in the Face, then to Pay and take care off…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 04:55 PM
2

I'm going to say I disagree. I think that men need women more than vice versa. Why else would women have all the power in the dating sphere?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 04:48 PM
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Yes, I have met men that are too nice. That doesn't mean that I want a guy thats an ass. You can have dignity, and not let people walk all over you without being an ass. You just have be willing to hold people to a reasonable standard. We've all seen it. Relationships where the girl has all the power, and the boy is just a doormat who does what she says. And most women don't want to be in a relationship like that anyways because they want to partner that is dependable, can solve problems on thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 04:42 PM
2

She needs to make me feel like I’m her first choice I think most women's first choice is Chris Hemsworth or someone similar. So what happens if you're not Chris Hemsworth?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 04:13 PM
1

I didn't assume anything. I asked if you thought they had better chances. I'm sure that you understand that not every woman is mentally ill. Statistically one in four women have some form of mental illness, and a smaller portion of that has a serious mental illness like schizophrenia or BPD. In that 20%, you're more likely to find that women with something like anxiety, ADD. So can you answer the question? Which do you think has a better chance statistically?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 04:10 PM
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I disagree. The purpose of not having sex with someone on the first date is to weed out all of people that are just looking for a one night stand. Most people won't go In 10 dates with you just because they want to hook up once and then ditch you. Nobody's claiming that it means that the relationship is going to work out. But it does cut out a lot of people who are not coming into it with the same mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 12:00 AM
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I really honestly think that it has to do more to do with women not caring past a certain point. Women usually want lifestyle items. Things like clothes, travel, the ability to not work and raise kids from home. A nice and oftentimes quaint or cute house. There's a threshold that is required to achieve this, but it's not making 10 million a year. Making over 200k and you're easily in the green here. Men tend to aim higher. They want a massive house, multiple properties. They want expensive cars …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 09:25 PM
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So only one of the states it lists is different? I could be missing something but it seems like a relatively small thing compared to the rest of your post saying that none it lists is right. No, there's a lot of states that use state taxes to fund a healthcare program. The only point that I was making was that there is no state in the United States that provides free abortion just because people want an abortion. So comparing it to men who want to have free sex without consequences of children i…
/r/MensRights08/03/23 08:57 PM
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state funded abortion' and 'state Medicaid funded abortion' are different things? That wasn't what I was saying but that's also kind of true. Medi-cal for example is partially funded federally and partially funded with state taxes. Do you think that states shouldn't allow the kinds of abortions that I listed?
/r/MensRights08/03/23 08:31 PM
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I'm just pointing out that there's a false equivalency Disagreeing with this sub does not automatically mean that you disagree with men's rights. Because there's a lot on the sub that is discussed that has nothing to do with men's rights.
/r/MensRights08/03/23 08:14 PM
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Here are all the posts from the last 24 hours that either discussed dating or gender roles. These are just the posts these don't even include the comments. https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/11m4knm/since_its_international_womens_day_shout_out_to/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/11lsr2w/freeing_women_from_their_forced_biological_roles/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm…
/r/MensRights08/03/23 08:11 PM
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The Hyde amendment allows people to get abortions in the case of rape, incest, and life endangerment using federal funds. The states that go beyond this are allowing abortions in the case of fetal impairment, or they go beyond the hyde amendment and that they not only allow abortions in the cases where the mother's life is in danger, but now also includes women where pregnancy presents grave long-lasting damage to the mothers physical health. states use their own state funds to pay for elective …
/r/MensRights08/03/23 07:57 PM
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For example, there's quite a lot of discussion on adhering to gender norms. There's also a lot of discussion about dating. These don't have anything to do with legal rights.
/r/MensRights08/03/23 07:44 PM
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The hyde amendment in the United States prevents the States from funding elective abortions.
/r/MensRights08/03/23 07:01 PM
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Artificial wombs, and fake vaginas are not outlawed. Abortion is not a free service.
/r/MensRights08/03/23 06:13 PM
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There's a lot of discussion though that happens on the sub that has nothing to do with rights.
/r/MensRights08/03/23 06:09 PM
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All women are gold diggers. Some of them just dig deeper. Women use men's careers to gauge their level of responsibility. Men with more successful careers are seen as more responsible, and more proactive. And those are traits that women look for for their children.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 05:02 AM
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I'm a woman who is a regular gamer. My husband also plays video games, but he also does not shirk any responsibilities. He doesn't sit and play games until 2:00 in the morning, he doesn't skip his chores, he doesn't ignore me, he doesn't let his work suffer. It balances for us because when he's playing games, I'm relaxing, or we are playing together and it works. If I were to see you on a dating app, and it said that you were a gamer, It wouldn't be a hard no, but it would be a flag. And I would…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 04:49 AM
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I like to point out that sometimes age correlates to attraction. Most women find more established men more attractive than younger men. Women tend to hit higher levels of attractiveness in their twenties. I wouldn't put too much weight on this chart because I wouldn't consider it a very reputable source, but I do think that it's a fair representation https://images.app.goo.gl/tVwNvhCfGPL46Wyr5
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 04:43 AM
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I just think its disingenuous to tell men they should do something they have no control over and I've been hearing this a lot lately. Do you think a man that refuses to go on any date has a better or worse statistical chance of getting into a good romantic relationship then a man that "puts himself out there"? Also wanted to point out that you can be a single mom and also be "fit feminine and cooperative"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 04:39 AM
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I think it's parents. And then I think it's more women than men. I recognize that women tend to have higher social emotional intelligence than men. This is well studied, things like their ability to pick up on facial social cues, and I think means that means they have a little bit more responsibility in relationships. If your relationship is going poorly she had more ability to catch and fix or end it than he did. On top of that, parents should be pushing children to socialize more often. Video …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 09:52 PM
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It's just extra effort in the bedroom in general
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 06:42 PM
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I think if you had two equal men but one was chivalrous, he'll get more tail
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 06:41 PM
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I think for me eyes matter a lot. Not saying blue green eyes, but like the look of your eyes. Face would not be irrelevant though.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 06:40 PM
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It starts at Victoria's secret. There's a reason that industry almost exclusively caters to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 04:44 PM
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Honestly I never worried about him finding a partner because he was friendly and could talk to people. His dorky friends followed him around. But I have another brother, who is my bio brother. He works at the exact same call center, also loves anime and video games, livrs alone, had much better hygiene and is balding but is very athletic. He's the one I worry about because he's not even interested in trying he's too shy. He gets very nervous talking to people. If he talks he can't seem to talk a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 04:36 PM
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They're so bombarded with options that if you're a man who is less physically attractive or different looking you're immediately dismissed as a possible partner. Well that happens both ways. Pretty privilege is a thing. We're not the ones treating others appallingly on sight alone, or refusing to consider showing basic decency to others. Ehh. There are men in this thread saying they're willing to dismiss women quickly. Not saying you do. But that does happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 04:28 PM
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It happens all the time. But women have to be careful because the odds for that are against them
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 04:23 PM
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But I really just wanna fck hot women not a relationship... Well most women catch onto that pretty fast. And they'll only give pure tail to the hot ones or the experienced ones. In a longer relationship other things matter. But a one night stand is pretty straight forward
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 05:27 AM
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Eh that sounds like a love language issue. Darcy thought poetry was the food of love Elizabeth thought it could only create a fine stout love, and that one poor sonnet would kill it stone dead.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 05:25 AM
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I have a brother in law whose really overweight... Loves anime, poor personal hygiene, doesn't dress well, loves video games, total tech nerd, works in an IT call center. But he's friendly like an outgoing friendly. He's easy to talk too, he's a person you can talk too and know you won't be judged. and low and behold a year ago he came home with a girl, who is also very quirky, incredibly shy and introverted, not what I would call the typical "attractive female". But he met her in a Japanese lan…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 05:20 AM
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The low immigration rate is by choice though
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 05:12 AM
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Well the world will never really know. Sometimes men are completely different people when dating. But maybe she was just a bitch
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 05:10 AM
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I have also noticed the extreme fear of rejection. As someone who asked her partner out, felt the fear, but it worked out in the most wonderful way, it makes me sad to see what these people are missing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 05:07 AM
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Also when you're viewing every man in the worst possible way how can you expect to build any kind of relationship with them? Well I've been married for 15 years. But the answer is to abide by the boundaries of dating> Give it a little time a few weeks> of you don't like what you find out, leave. You can't expect to find out someone's life story in the first conversation. I even think dating apps are like way too open forum..
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 05:05 AM
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Even at an advanced age with more self-confidence I think I did better online than I would ever do in person with the old-school dynamic. That's interesting I notice that with people in debate. When you can type it out you can think through things more.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 05:01 AM
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What if you engage in your job during your leisure time? I work in interior architectural design. Yes I work for clients, but I also do stuff for my own house (literally constantly under construction) am always on Pinterest before bed looking at design porn, I do projects with my dad for fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 04:58 AM
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Women cant because they don't use logic in mate selection they use fluctuating emotions and depending on their hormone levels their likes will change... Have you heard of testosterone? Would you like me to show you how it's linked to violent crime? Mental health? Sex drive? like long flowing hair. I personally think guys with long hair are kinda gross. My man is hairy, and certainly not feminine. I think that you're definitely right. Women don't want to get married early..not only that, their pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 04:56 AM
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That's not a hard problem for Japan to fix. They have a huge demand for immigrants wanting to move there
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 04:36 AM
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You don't think Hobby's can be jobs? My hobby is my job
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 04:30 AM
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Her research is in ageing and extending longevity so it's pretty interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 04:14 AM
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Women can be chivalrous too, it just looks different
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 04:13 AM
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I am also wondering this. My husband is fiiine, and he's my best friend, my wall, his momma raised him to treat women right, he works hard He opens my car door for me and brings me flowers on Valentine's day. Abuse? emotional or physical, is not even in the question. 15 years and not once.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 01:26 AM
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What makes you think Japan is on the brink of collapse? That's a country with UHC and no homelessness
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 01:18 AM
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Didn't we have exactly this thread yesterday?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 01:18 AM
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? i remember a guy who was confident and a good person, there was this girl who fancied him, they dated for a while but he dumped her because she was trying to constantly boss But he got the girl, and he was confident enough to dump her and look for another one. So confidence is important. I feel like a less confident person may have chosen to stay in a miserable relationship. Women associate confidence with success. Mainly social confidence, and not necessarily confidence over looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 11:39 PM
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Money definitely matters to most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 11:11 PM
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I definitely have experienced a lot of men get friend zoned. I think that women associate mean or assertive with confident. If men could find a way to show nice and confident they found the jackpot.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 11:10 PM
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You are not old, but I appreciate the comment
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 11:06 PM
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Asking women out
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 11:01 PM
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but in my ideal world, there would be some forced, mixed-gender community service for young single youths every Sunday morning (religious and disability exemptions apply). I feel like the problem is the smallest for youths, because they have to interact at school
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 10:44 PM
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Yep. They also get less tail though.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 10:40 PM
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Well. Maybe that's a good thing
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 10:31 PM
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Also, the genders cheat about equally. Men cheat more than women it's almost double https://discreetinvestigations.ca/infidelity-statistics-who-cheats-more-men-or-women/#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20General%20Social,gender%20gap%20varies%20per%20age.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 10:23 PM
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Do you think women were less worried about that 100 years ago?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 09:54 PM
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I am curious that there is still this cultural expectation that men put themselves out there that is never questioned even though we have equality between the sexes and women openly state that they don't need men and that it should all be equitable. So if a single woman sees a man she might be interested in, why should she wait for him to put himself out there and make the first move? You're asking the wrong person. I asked my husband out and he's the only person I've ever dated. I do think thou…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 09:05 PM
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There is evidence that forced social interaction improves social intelligence. Such is making two children share a room. (Wannna be clear about Force) How would you recommend structuring society differently though to make people interact more, especially Young men?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 09:02 PM
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Appearance is king now for women What makes you think it wasn't 100 years ago?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 08:54 PM
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The women of yesteryear wanted to build love and were sensible about which traits actually mattered in men. What traits do you think women are prioritizing today that are different? And why are women less sensible today than back then? The evidence is that the average IQ has improved
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 08:51 PM
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So you think that dating tools have made "boyfriend shopping" more efficient for women. That's certainly true when it comes to clothes. So maybe you're right.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 08:50 PM
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There is evidence of a dating power shift when women get into their 50s. Mainly that men are more willing to cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 08:48 PM
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But why has that changed. Chads existed 100 years ago
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 08:46 PM
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Laughing in Russian. I had to Google it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 08:45 PM
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Hmm that's not my experience..my female friends are all very interesting One is a PhD in medical research and owns a mustang (single) Another is into beekeeping (married), and has a degree in large animal veterinary science I have three businesses(architecture and art related) I have a ton of artistic hobbies (married) I used to be an avid video game player and I didn't tell my boyfriend about that until year 2. But one thing I will say they all have in common is that we don't prioritize money a…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 08:43 PM
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I'm curious about what you have to say. Actually an older opinion on reddit is less common. What did dating look like in your 20-30s?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 08:33 PM
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Okay. I'm guessing you're referring to "in women". Do you think that women are having a hard time finding partners when they want them because they feel overly privileged?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 08:31 PM
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Why do you think more men are called creeps today than before?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 08:29 PM
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blacklisted from dating in a certain social scene Such as?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 08:26 PM
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Well proportioned chubby women are very sexy to a lot of men. Somebody that looks like this https://images.app.goo.gl/jqPFTGpYcdstxsXS8 Despite being overweight, she is well above average for the United States. She's gorgeous and she could easily land an athletic guy. I've watched women like her walk down the aisle to a perfect 10. The average American woman is a size 14 and up. And the lucky ones fill out nicely. These pictures are closer to average in the USA; https://images.app.goo.gl/7bbd7bW…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 08:19 PM
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I would wager is what you're seeing is more people investing more into markets and retiring young, as well as an increase in SAHDS, and people who started their own businesses over the pandemic. Because people are starting families later, they are more financially secure.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 05:40 PM
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Yes. There's toxic femininity also, but it manifests differently. Mainly because its bullying people for not showing feminine traits. (Sit like a lady, you should wear more makeup, ew you play video games??)
/r/MensRights18/12/22 04:53 PM
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Does libido mean the same thing as physical attraction or arousal? It's your sexual drive. It certainly is a component of it. There are plenty of women I have been physically attracted to and aroused by, but I still don't want to sleep with them unless I know more about them. Does that mean I have a high or low libido, or maybe it's not that simple on an individual level :P The best way to know is by looking at the sum of women that you've slept with, and if they are above or below your social s…
/r/MensRights18/12/22 04:45 PM
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Well the Greeks are among the hairiest in the world, so obviously it didnt stop them celebrating the male form. When they celebrated it in art, they painted them hairless. Statues were made with small penises not because they were feminine but because large penises were seen as animalistic It was also because smaller penises we're associated with virtue and self control in sex, and purity (because they were boy-like) Many Asian and African men are less hairy than many European, Middle Eastern, I…
/r/MensRights18/12/22 05:49 AM
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Yeah, but when those statues were made, there was also quite a lot of paintings from the same culture and those paintings were almost always hairless curly headed men with small penises and fair skin. They were men with feminine qualities. It is very rare to find a painting with a hairy man even from those time periods where men were celebrated. Of course beauty is subjective, and there's probably somebody out there that believes that overweight hairy men are prettier than Megan Fox. It is just …
/r/MensRights18/12/22 05:26 AM
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Hypergamy is not exclusive to education. It means you date across and up your social status. Men who are hypergamous usually have a very very low libido. Much lower than average because not only do they have to compensate for the fact that women have lower libido on average, but women also have the possibility of childbirth. It's the opposite for women who have high libidos who can be hypogamous (they will date lower than their social status) The reason that women are usually hypergamous is beca…
/r/MensRights18/12/22 05:10 AM
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The problem is that not all mail order brides are adult women who just decided they wanted to live in America and listed themselves voluntarily. Some of them, especially Asian systems, are children who their parents wanted to "sell". It's sex slavery, and they are often sold to abusive men
/r/MensRights18/12/22 04:55 AM
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From my own experience, I have noticed some women tend to respond sexually to men who are competent, given that there is at least some level of physical attraction. Never seen it the other way around though. Perhaps there is an evolutionary reason for it. I think it's actually a bit more complex than that. Men prefer gullible women for short term because men are not hypergamous. They don't choose to have sex, women usually are the deal breaker for that choice. The more gullible the woman, the mo…
/r/MensRights18/12/22 04:35 AM
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Saying that women are prettier is not the same as saying all men are ugly. Yes the average woman is more beautiful than the average man But the most beautiful woman in the world is also more beautiful than the most beautiful man. Again, biologically we both have advantages, women won the beauty card.
/r/MensRights18/12/22 04:23 AM
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Women are prettier than men. Sorry it's just a fact. They have less body hair, more sexual organs, and much prettier goods. They look less primitive than men. For pretty much all of human history, even female artists generally preferred to draw women, because their figures are just more artful. Even during eras where men were more commonly drawn or celebrated, feminine men were chosen. Hairless men with curly hair and small penises and fair skin.. I don't think it has anything to do with conditi…
/r/MensRights18/12/22 03:26 AM
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That is called bullying It's also called toxic masculinity.
/r/MensRights18/12/22 12:53 AM
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I don't think you understand the definition. It's not a man who chooses for himself to be masculine, it's men who push stereotypes or expectations of masculinity on other men at consequence to their well being. Such as making fun a man for being emotional. Or excusing bullying as "boys will be boys". Making fun of a man for being a virgin Traditionally masculine traits such as devotion to work, pride in excelling at sports, and providing for one's family, are not considered to be "toxic".
/r/MensRights18/12/22 12:52 AM
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I think you might regret not going to your son's wedding. Asked to be seated at opposite ends of the room, maybe bring someone for emotional support. Have an exit strategy. Don't drink
/r/MensRights18/12/22 12:46 AM
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I could also lead to your firing, and your company sued for sexual discrimination for not taking action sooner, which would basically ensure you can't get hired anywhere else. Especially if there's multiple women.
/r/MensRights16/12/22 01:19 AM
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One example here. I knew a guy who made a comment to a group of men: "Those women always forgetting everything" because she had forgotten something in the office. The woman he was talking about overheard it. Things like that And it went up to an HR . He ended up keeping his job and she ended up getting fed up and leaving, because several other women had left before her, probably over similar complaints. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a lawsuit in the next few months.
/r/MensRights16/12/22 01:12 AM
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People conveniently ignore that it takes two to tango and that nothing exists in isolation: crime is never only about the criminal, but also about the victim. Yes rape takes two. But one of those people isn't consenting. but also about the victim. Victim blaming hit level 1000 here We never have had completely free choice over what we want to do, for the protection of everyone. You have free choice over your choices. That's why they are called choices. The law makes adequate exceptions for peopl…
/r/MensRights03/12/22 11:30 PM
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an alternative facilitated for men What alternative? An intoxicated man is unable to adequately process consent and is basically not responsible for his actions Being drunk is not an excuse to commit crimes. It's not as cut and dried as simple consent (which is itself no longer simple when men have to interpret female action or inaction as "enthusiastic consent" without a handbook on the subject). It is. Ever been drunk? It's easy not to have sex with drunk women when you're drunk. you want to b…
/r/MensRights03/12/22 02:44 PM
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I didn't take it as an allegory for rape. I took it as an allegory for socially stigmatizing women into following gender norms. Alice in the movie is forced and gaslit by her husband into playing the role of the traditional housewife. Bunny is the example of the woman that chose the life.
/r/MensRights03/12/22 12:58 AM
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I've seen him say some of these things. I don't think Jordan is wrong in his analysis I think he's wrong in his solution. I don't think the answer is to socially pressure women into traditional gender roles. The motif of that movie is that it needs to be women's choice Alice in that movie doesn't get the choice her husband abused her into it. Bunny however, makes the choice on her own to exist within the traditional norm, and in the movie Alice ends up accepting that.
/r/MensRights03/12/22 12:56 AM
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There are rules on that forum. They don't allow hate porn articles. They don't allow personal attacks. They don't allow bigotry towards any group. They don't allow antifeminism unless it's discussing a specific issue or person or event. Their forum is more focused on finding solutions to men's issues. I don't think that you would be banned for posing a conservative leaning solution to a men's issue.
/r/MensRights25/11/22 04:03 PM
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I think both pro-female subreddits and r/MensRights are guilty on some level of unfair bashing of the opposite sex. I took a look at r/feminism. I found four posts in the last day that were pretty much anti men. One of them was bashing a politician. Seems though the frequency was much higher here.
/r/MensRights23/11/22 09:47 PM
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Sure, but it's kind of the same thing as liberals getting upset that five cops this year have shot black people. You're talking about five people when there are 500,000 police officers in the United states. How would you like to be a cop and everybody has decided that you're evil because five people that dress like you shot black people?
/r/MensRights23/11/22 09:09 PM
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All of these are from the last day It's not an issue of them being unreasonable. Is that that's all they focus on is how terrible women are rather than "let's actually find a solution for men" Rather than "men are falling behind an education, here's a solution!" it's "look at what this awful thing this one female did!" And then the comments are all about how awful women are in general. There's a very stark contrast between this reddit, and r/menslib https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/z…
/r/MensRights23/11/22 05:01 PM
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I agree that more women need to recognize men's rights. There's a lot of important issues that men deal with. However you aren't really helping yourself. If you look at this forum there's dozens of posts bashing women. If all mras can think about is how much they hate women, how can they expect women to want to join in with them? Spend more time advocating for solutions to issues that affect men rather than "look at what this one person somewhere in deep twitter said to get clicks".
/r/MensRights23/11/22 03:52 AM
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You do the deed you pay for it. Not all responsibilities come with perks.
/r/MensRights17/11/22 03:28 PM
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Okay well that's unacceptable
/r/MensRights16/11/22 09:21 PM
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and tried my hardest to keep my family together She kidnapped your kid and you didn't do shit. Didn't call the cops. You would have almost certainly gotten custody, that would have been an amber alert. And then 6 years as soon as you got a chance to not have to pay child support you ripped that Band-Aid off. Hey I'm glad mom found a better way to finance the kid, del mar isn't cheap, and $400 barely scratches the surface of that, but it seems like she did so without much help from you.
/r/MensRights16/11/22 09:04 PM
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You know not all responsibilities come with personal benefits. Like I get that you don't like the mom, but Jesus this kid deserves better than all of you. He's a kid not a tumor.
/r/MensRights16/11/22 08:52 PM
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So you're not going to support your 11 year old son?
/r/MensRights16/11/22 08:39 PM
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Who cares what people do on only fans. As long as you're not raping children make as much porn as you want.
/r/MensRights16/11/22 08:36 PM
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I'm pretty sure in every state that debt is split evenly regardless of whether it is a private company or individually held. But if it's a public company like Elon musk's company, everybody who has stock in that company owns it.
/r/MensRights15/11/22 06:02 PM
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There are very few industries in America where this is legally allowed. Are you sure you are working in one of those industries? (Usually modeling, acting etc)
/r/MensRights15/11/22 05:56 PM
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By the time the kid’s 3 they’re usually talking, toilet trained and onto solid food (some well before that). And still screaming and limiting your ability to sleep
/r/MensRights13/11/22 08:23 PM
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"Wait until they are no longer a screaming infant"
/r/MensRights13/11/22 04:23 PM
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They didn't show a source.
/r/MensRights13/11/22 04:15 PM
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The source is the CDC https://www.rainn.org/statistics/victims-sexual-violence
/r/MensRights13/11/22 03:40 PM
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Think of it this way 1 in 6 women experience rape in their life time. The perpetrators are usually men. If you knew you had a 1 in 6 chance of being a victim of murder in your lifetime, and that it was most likely to happen between the ages of 15 and 35, and that women were the most likely offenders, you'd be wary too.
/r/MensRights13/11/22 03:53 AM
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So you think it's okay for fathers to try to achieve custody after waiting for their kid to grow up?
/r/MensRights13/11/22 03:45 AM
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So the average nannie actually makes $25 a year as of this year but that's neither here nor there. https://smartsitting.com/blog/how-much-do-nannies-make That is about how much the average salaried worker makes in the United states which is 26$ per hour. But how much she works per year just shows that her work is not valueless. But that still doesn't account for all of the resume points that she's not going to be able to put on her resume who is her lost earning potential.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 07:42 PM
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Again live in nannies can make up to $500,000 a year." Irrelevant. That's why I count the time they spend not the jobs they do... Nannies might get paid that much because some families might think it's worth it but most families would never pay that much or even hire a nanny. It's like saying if a man fixes some tech at home he should get paid like a professional...nonsense. The average Nanny makes $25 an hour which ends up being $219,000 a year for 24/7 care. And you assume that all money earne…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 05:56 PM
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I'm not, she might have more labor but if I bring more money that means my labor costs more It doesn't mean that your labor is valued at more. Again live in nannies can make up to $500,000 a year. You also assume that all the chores are something men and kids need or want. And you assume that all money earned by men is something that women and kids need or want. Also, the one who made the decision to marry and be stay at home mom is a woman, since she is the one who makes a decision it should be…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 04:48 PM
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How much is the difference? That study found that men take about 40 minutes more leisure time per day than women. And ignores the money and labor I already put in, which might be even more than hers. You're also ignoring the value of her labor. She's already got you beat on time. As for alimony, that's making too many assumptions about how well the wife would do...very unrealistic. If you actually calculated it out, I would bet you anything that alimony would be higher than it currently is. Othe…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 09:33 PM
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When it comes to chores, yes You're not understanding the study. The study looks at how much leisure time men and women take. It found that men take more leisure time than women. Yes Men bring in more financially on average. That does not mean that they work more hours on average for their family. ...is it really worth 50% of the property financies+alimony? The property value are split not because of the lost earning potential. That is split because of the labor that Mom has put in up until that…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 04:12 PM
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If for example, I do chores every day I can do them in 1-1.5 hour on average per day. With kids it will take more time but some chores will stay the same...and you are not doing 100% of it, your husband will help some even if you do most. Also, 50% of it is your duty anyway. When you consider that 50% is her job anyway, take into account the fact that her husband is also helping even if he does less...it's obvious that the husband's shares of chores she does is not much time-wise. You are a sing…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 10:26 PM
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Most men and women want the money that comes from the job...not the job itself. They later might get obsessed with it and lose sight of what's important (women do better in that aspect, men can become workaholic more often) but for most careers only matter because of money...it's a job, not a hobby. I think that's a misrepresentation of people. But you're missing my point. Your argument was that because some women want to be homemakers that their work is valueless. So in the case that a man want…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 08:13 PM
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In the lens of this theory, yes. Yes, both incels and BPD girl need accountability. In reality, this accountability will never fix the underlying issue. They may improve their behavior in the short term, but never in the long term. But asking somebody to apologize isn't a punishment for the person that apologizes. When somebody apologizes it relieves guilt. It allows them to move on. Regardless of how hard you try to hold somebody with a mental health condition accountable, they will not improve…
/r/MensRights01/11/22 06:45 PM
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This is exactly why I’m advocating for sympathy towards shorter, unattractive “incels.” So many people try to hold them accountable, tell them to improve their character/looks to find a girl. But even for this girl that is that we're talking about hypothetically. She does have to be accountable for her actions. For example if I was her therapist and she cheated on somebody I would encourage her to apologize to the person she cheated on. She wasn't responsible for the abuse that she endured, but …
/r/MensRights01/11/22 06:04 PM
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I think there's a difference between somebody talking about their frustration and acting on then. "I am upset that nobody will have sex with me" Is different than "That woman should have sex with me" Somebody expressing frustration in something like a therapy setting is fine. It's okay for people to talk about their feelings. But when you start making demands, or talking about what people "should do" the line is crossed, and society has to correct. As a result, she develops borderline personalit…
/r/MensRights01/11/22 05:44 PM
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Because, having a mental health issue is not an excuse to be an ass to other people. Society "checks" poor behavior. It's very important that society check poor behavior. It's easier for somebody who has a mental health issue (or without one) to be validated in their ideas than to be criticized. So they gravitate towards validation. So I actually think that the rhetoric around incels that is forgiving is actually what causes them to become radicalized. The rhetoric is more comfortable that they'…
/r/MensRights01/11/22 05:28 PM
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It's one thing to feel frustrated it's another thing to take it out on other people. I'm not going to judge you for anything other than your actions. But when you start telling women that they need to be more willing to date men out of charity, or scrutinizing women for being hypergamous, or men for having multiple partners, well your input becomes pretty irrelevant and it just makes you a controlling ass.
/r/MensRights01/11/22 04:58 PM
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First, you assume all those women wanted careers And you assume all men don't? Do you think we should value the labor of career men at zero just because a career was something they wanted? Generally, house hold chores take 2 hours max per day Sure. And 2 hours of house cleaning normally costs at $100-$200 depending on the area. Now add 7-15 hours of child care, a few hours for groceries and cooking. It pretty easily turns into more than a full workday. There are studies that have found that wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 03:52 PM
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There's a lot of roles required in running a household. Bringing in money is just one of them, albeit a big one, the people who fulfill the other non-career roles usually end up sacrificing a large section of their career and earning potential for their family which is why they split finances in divorce. Nanny's alone can cost anywhere between 30k and 500k a year. Even if you cut that in half, the working partner receives a lot of value in that labor alone. Not even considering the monetary valu…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 04:55 AM
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They're still resentful about it even if they know it's their fault. That's regret not resent
/r/MensRights01/11/22 04:53 AM
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Most incels are not assholes It depends on if they express resentment or not. Hypothetically you could bottle it up and not tell women they need to serve them. I would only judge you for your actions and words. It is really convenient that your types would go around calling anyone who says anything positive about men incels You don't know "my type"
/r/MensRights31/10/22 11:47 PM
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I disagree There's obviously some people who choose to be virgins. But disregarding that, there's plenty of virgins who recognize that the reason for their virginity is, in fact, themselves. Maybe they recognize that they don't put significant effort into pursuing partners.
/r/MensRights31/10/22 11:27 PM
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Or... admonishing assholes. Again, having a mental health diagnosis is not an excuse to be an asshole
/r/MensRights31/10/22 11:25 PM
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Alana has talked about how she left the site because of it's increasing negativity. But no I don't know if somebody who committed mass murder actually participated in her site. But I really think that discussions about the definitions of words are pretty pointless. You are more than welcome to hold your own definition of "incel" so long as you understand that most other people hold a different definition and that they have a good reason for that.
/r/MensRights31/10/22 08:18 PM
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Okay, society redefined the term. The reason that the term was redefined was because the people that participated in Alana's website went out and committed mass murder. The Cultural consequence was the redefining of the word.
/r/MensRights31/10/22 07:55 PM
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Ask the mother to get a DNA test done yourself without the courts oversight. The court may order a second one but at least you have the first one. Double checking never hurts. Though I would recommend waiting until after childbirth because it can be quite dangerous for the child. Finally be prepared to accept that if the DNA tests do prove that it is your child, you will be paying child support. You have about a 66% chance that it is your child. That is the number where paternity is proven on av…
/r/MensRights31/10/22 07:47 PM
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Single individuals almost never define terms for all of society. Language is a social construct and it's constantly evolving. I understand that the term was not created with the intent of describing resentful people. But the way that it or the culture around it was used ended up making it a fair definition.
/r/MensRights31/10/22 07:41 PM
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"Incels" that don't practice resentment aren't incels. They're just virgins. We already have the term "virgins" to describe people that are celibate voluntarily or involuntarily. Society created another term, "incels" to describe people who are virgins or maybe sexually starved, but are also resentful assholes. Just because you have a mental health disorder does not mean you get to be an asshole to other people. You are almost always accountable for your actions (with exceptions for people who l…
/r/MensRights31/10/22 07:32 PM
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Why?
/r/MensRights31/10/22 06:46 PM
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And by “incel” I do not refer to the literal definition, inability to get sex, but the popular definition. The definition of incel is somebody who not only doesn't get sex, but also expects women to give them sex, or acts otherwise hostile towards and or women or men who are sexually active. They have to come with some form of resentment to be regarded as an incel.
/r/MensRights31/10/22 06:38 PM
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When men got divorced, they need to pay alimony, even if it means they need to live on the street. This is still true today, where the women, oppressed and tied to their husbands, initiate 80% of the divorces. Either spouse can request alimony. The only reason that men pay it more often is because of societies emphasis on traditional gender roles. Women could rape their husbands. Even today, most laws still exclude female on male rape. That's also false. There are some states where it's not defi…
/r/MensRights31/10/22 04:27 PM
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Also sex
/r/MensRights31/10/22 03:08 AM
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Beating your wife was not legal but beating your husband was never really punished nor socially seen as bad Actually it used to be legal to assault your wife. Wife beating wasn't made illegal until 1920 in the United States. Most of human civilization it was very normal for men to beat their wives as a punishment. It was also legal for a long time to rape your wife and that didn't change until the 1970s in the united states. It is still legal to rape your wives in some areas of the world. Men al…
/r/MensRights30/10/22 06:45 PM
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Keep in mind traditional relationships sucked for women in a lot of ways women were less happy and just less able to divorce. Men could legally beat their wives, and women were less able to work, less able to get a divorce so they would just get trapped in marriage financially or socially. That does still happen in a lot of places around the world but I hope it's not the relationship you're looking for.
/r/MensRights29/10/22 05:39 AM
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harming someone's reputation, making false claims even if it does not get to police/court more seriously or make them punishable? These actions are punishable if it leads to financial losses in civil court. At least that's true in the united states. That would be slander a defamation or libel lawsuit. On another someone somewhat related note, there's a pretty strong correlation in the prevalence of testosterone and violent crime. It's believed to be why men commit more violent crime than women. …
/r/MensRights29/10/22 03:00 AM
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You don't have the power to dismiss me. That's the thing about social forums. You do not have to respond to the messages I send you though. Nobody is forcing you to be here.
/r/MensRights07/09/22 09:44 PM
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I am well aware of the DSM-5 criteria for gender dysphoria. I have read it before and debated it extensively.
/r/MensRights07/09/22 09:39 PM
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This condition causes clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning. " This is the part that you don't get. In order for it to be considered gender dysphoria, there has to be distress or impairment related to their gender identity. Not all trans people experience this distress. And the study was only talking about the ones who have it
/r/MensRights07/09/22 09:30 PM
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There is no comparison between different treatment Pulled it for you "By the end of the study, 69 youths (66.3%) had received PBs, GAHs, or both interventions, while 35 youths had not received either intervention (33.7%). After adjustment for temporal trends and potential confounders, we observed 60% lower odds of depression (adjusted odds ratio [aOR], 0.40; 95% CI, 0.17-0.95) and 73% lower odds of suicidality (aOR, 0.27; 95% CI, 0.11-0.65) among youths who had initiated PBs or GAHs compared wit…
/r/MensRights07/09/22 04:14 PM
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But you may not understand medical definitions
/r/MensRights07/09/22 04:09 PM
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Yes we should do that. Unfortunately that's not what is happening. We are relying on studies with no control groups or even alternative treatments for comparison. As a result we don't even know if the treatment has any effect at all. The control groups are people who identify as trans and didn't receive treatment. That likely depends on the population studied It's people who were diagnosed with dysphoria compared to those diagnosed with depression or anxiety.. suicide is from sex workers in Sout…
/r/MensRights07/09/22 04:59 AM
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I would argue you're probably libertarian, and far right socially.
/r/MensRights06/09/22 08:39 PM
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"He must be far right because he said something that isn't far left" No you said something that is nowhere close to center. You claim to be egalitarian, but you denounce the equal rights act. Maybe in the circles you run in, your views are normal, but in the scope of the US as a whole, nothing about you is moderate. Your views are very unusual and extremely rare.
/r/MensRights06/09/22 06:30 PM
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https://www.google.com/search?q=patriarchy&oq=patriarchy&aqs=chrome.0.69i59l2j0i131i273i433j0i512j0i131i433i512j46i512j0i512l2.2263j0j9&client=ms-android-verizon&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8 I don't think anybody has ever argued that women have never had any influence over the vote. At the very least, women could try to convince men to vote a certain way, but the system was still designed to exclude them from power purposefully.
/r/MensRights06/09/22 05:29 PM
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which already defeats all modern definitions of patriarchy, It doesn't though, because patriarchy in government is usually a government where women are purposefully largely excluded. That doesn't mean entirely excluded. That is the Google definition. I think you could easily argue that before women suffrage our government fit that definition. It's also the legal dependence of women on men. Such as English common law, where men were given legal right to all inheritance and property, wives and chi…
/r/MensRights06/09/22 05:26 PM
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So you believe that patriarchy cannot exist in government? What would you call it when you have a government where power is exclusively ruled by men and women are purposefully excluded from it? What would you call the US government before womens suffrage?
/r/MensRights06/09/22 04:39 PM
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You know that one only works on misogynists right? That's the goal. I'm trying to make misogynist less misogynist. Also, the belief that women were not responsible for not having the right to vote is an incredibly neutral position. I have debated on these forms for years, and you are the first person I've ever heard argue that. This view of yours is incredibly far right. Men: "Well in extremist Islamic nations - " "Islamaphobia! Fuck soldiers!" Oh no that's not what I'm saying at all. I agree wi…
/r/MensRights06/09/22 04:31 PM
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When will you accept you can't manipulate me? Why are you so afraid of being manipulated? I've had my views changed loads of times, that's the beauty of learning. You learn new things and your views change. Theres no shame in changing your mind as you learn new things. That is how people become intelligent or wise. They certainly don't become wise by never learning anything. Do you think the world will fall apart if God forbid you subject yourself to reason? Or worse...a woman's reason? And like…
/r/MensRights06/09/22 07:09 AM
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Men have had responsibility for spouses and children since forever, but that doesn't necessarily equate to those women and children being property For more almost 4 milleniums, women and children were legally their husbands property in most regions of the world. There's no question as to how it "equated". It was written in law in ink on paper. Victim blaming? You literally blamed women for not having the right to vote, even though not having that right lead then to be subject to barbaric laws an…
/r/MensRights06/09/22 06:31 AM
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What do you think is the correct definition of patriarchy in government?
/r/MensRights06/09/22 06:14 AM
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Where is the metric that says anyone who became the opposite sex is happy Suicide rates of trans identifying people who do and don't receive treatment. I would argue that's a pretty strong metric. Nobody is arguing that everybody would be happier as the opposite sex, but we know that refusing treatment to people who want to be creates more death than less in society. I would wager that children that were forced into marriages with 30-year-olds, probably had higher suicide rates than children who…
/r/MensRights06/09/22 03:52 AM
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The reason it's wrong is because there is no normal anymore So it's wrong for people to be happy because it makes things different? I don't think that makes sense. Normal used to be pretty horrible. Even this: "They can be taught that the only normal sex is with 30 year old adult men and 12 Year old children" Used to be normal. This was normal for several thousand years. And then we changed to make it better because we decided that people were happier when we changed it. And then society has cha…
/r/MensRights06/09/22 02:46 AM
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Actually you're right. It's increased to .6% people that are vocally trans I'm going to revert back to my original argument. I recognize that social trends do have an influence on behavior. But if it makes people happier than what is wrong with it? I think religion is quite stupid. I also recognize that religion indoctrinates people. But I also recognize it makes people happy so I don't care, because I believe in the freedom to make decisions for yourself.
/r/MensRights06/09/22 02:00 AM
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Feminists' claims to ERAs because of a woman's vote is no different than Hitler saying "Hey, I'm not a bad guy! I fixed your economy! I'm a good guy!" Did you really just argue that the equal Rights ammendment is the equivalent to Hitler's oppression?. How very egalitarian of you. When they didn't have a vote, it was because they didn't want to vote Women didn't have the right to their children or themselves. Their husbands owned them. They didn't have a right to marital property. But they neede…
/r/MensRights06/09/22 01:42 AM
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I didn't push a false patriarchy narrative. Before women had the right to vote the government was, by definition, patriarchy. There is no debating that. It's not even controversial. If a democratic government where women did not have the right to vote is not a patriarchy, then nothing is a patriarchy. Patriarchy in government, by definition, is a system of government where men held power, and women were largely excluded from it.
/r/MensRights06/09/22 01:14 AM
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Some feminists aren't egalitarian, others are. Yes I have been paying attention and I have responded to all your arguments.
/r/MensRights06/09/22 01:01 AM
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I haven't experienced patriarchy because I was born after women's sufferage. Have you been paying attention at all to anything I said? I will also point out that patriarchy extends well beyond the Middle East in other parts of the world.
/r/MensRights06/09/22 12:57 AM
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So why aren't things better? I would argue things are better. We have a lot more rights today in general than before when women were allowed to vote. And that includes for men.
/r/MensRights06/09/22 12:54 AM
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No it's patriarchy because women had no control over government
/r/MensRights06/09/22 12:54 AM
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Women weren't excluded from slavery
/r/MensRights06/09/22 12:52 AM
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Have. I agree with you. Because we're talking about US history Someone doesn't realize that Queens and female rulers existed. In the United States... The topic of the thread was the presidency. Please pay attention to the conversations before you comment on them.
/r/MensRights06/09/22 12:02 AM
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Have or had? Because we're talking about US history
/r/MensRights05/09/22 11:57 PM
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You're talking about social constructs and I'm talking about political ones. Because the topic of the thread was asking about the presidency. Of course, women had their own responsibilities as well, such as caring for the home, having children etc. I don't believe that you can argue that either men's or women's responsibilities in society, that were not legally required of them such as homemaking, or working could be argued to be a consequence of patriarchy or matriarchy, with the exception of w…
/r/MensRights05/09/22 11:51 PM
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It was never a patriarchy This is the hill you want to die on?? Sufferage? So your argument is that because women enjoyed some rights, that women held equal power to men through all of American history? Because that is what patriarchy means in government. It is a system of government where men hold power and women are largely excluded from it. Women didn't have the right to vote for more than half of US history. Men used to own their wives, be allowed to rape and hit their wives, and you call th…
/r/MensRights05/09/22 11:37 PM
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America was a patriarchy for a very long time. That doesn't mean it is today. Women have the right to vote
/r/MensRights05/09/22 11:20 PM
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You didn't get my point about private companies Government and freedom of Speech at all. so you better leave now little feminist. I support both the women's rights movement and the men's rights movement. Parts of them anyways. I disagree with circumcision, descriminatory custody practices, the draft. And while I wouldn't consider it a rights issue, I think we should increase access to mental health services for men. The part of the men's Rights movement where men believe that they own their girl…
/r/MensRights05/09/22 11:17 PM
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That's probably fair
/r/MensRights05/09/22 08:55 PM
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He poked holes in it, in the case they were discussing. They decided that was sexual assault.
/r/MensRights05/09/22 07:38 PM
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Not necessarily. I guess you could argue it depends on the country.
/r/MensRights05/09/22 07:32 PM
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Do you recognize though that it would be impossible to prove that a woman who is on birth control and missed a day, is not something that you could prove was done purposefully? In order for laws to be made there must be a precedent.
/r/MensRights05/09/22 07:26 PM
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The "its a private company" argument is fine when its an Amazon or even a small business, but when it controls how you interact with the world that argument breaks down. Its an essential right not something that anyone should be able to take away. I don't care how big or small your company is, the government should not have the power to regulate speech. Men should have their own space and thats one of the things Andrew Tate argued for. Sure, to talk about football and family but not politics tha…
/r/MensRights05/09/22 04:50 PM
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Why is it nonsense?
/r/MensRights05/09/22 04:45 PM
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Depending on the treatment doing nothing can be the better option. You wouldn't cut off a child's legs to cure depression that only lasts a couple of years would you? In medicine, we do what we find shows the best studied outcomes overall. Again, puberty blockers have nearly non existent side effects and work better than arguably most mental health prescriptions. The treatments for those are a lot less serious than transitioning. Gender dysphoria has a higher suicide rate than both of these. A w…
/r/MensRights05/09/22 04:43 PM
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Again, I believe they did use the correct term, I believe you misunderstood the study
/r/MensRights05/09/22 03:42 PM
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You know there are some old studies that I found interesting on the topic. They interviewed women who had committed violent crimes and found that a very large percentage of women in prison (over 50%) who had committed violent crimes did so while PMSing, and also that women in prison for violent crime had very high rates of pmdd. It's relevant because women women are PMSing they have higher than normal levels of testosterone. Anyways, I recognize that these things to affect our moods and probably…
/r/MensRights05/09/22 04:36 AM
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There are studies that found that children who identify as the opposite sex tend to grow out of it by adulthood (usually ending up gay). it's almost like saying we shouldn't treat depression because people will grow out of it someday. . Many people grow out of many mental illnesses and many mental illnesses are more prevalent among youth across the board, largely because of puberty. It's also based entirely on the patient's own words. This is true for most mental health illnesses including anxie…
/r/MensRights05/09/22 04:31 AM
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unless you are strictly disciplined to make all the right choices and most men can’t. Why do you think they can't?
/r/MensRights05/09/22 03:50 AM
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https://youtube.com/shorts/p5-qzXcqCe0?feature=share
/r/MensRights05/09/22 03:35 AM
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First of all he was on censored from "the internet", he was censored from certain social platforms. I believe in the freedom of speech and that means that social platforms can regulate their private platforms however they want. I do think that Andrew Tate is needed, because he represents an ideology that is not non-existent in society. But I would argue that he benefits the women's rights movement more than the men's rights movement. He gives women quite a lot of ammo.
/r/MensRights05/09/22 03:30 AM
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Because it's very rare for a man to be in love with someone and refuse to get married, and if they, it's usually because of a group decision.
/r/MensRights05/09/22 03:27 AM
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There is absolutely no way there were that many trans kids. The 7% number refers to everybody under lgbtq, not just trans It's like .3% of the population that is trans.
/r/MensRights05/09/22 01:29 AM
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Ever seen a woman talk or pout like a baby? They're doing it because they want to know what kind of father you'll be.
/r/MensRights05/09/22 01:05 AM
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not only the under reported but the data thats not reported at all also contributes to issues between men and women in relationships. Such as?
/r/MensRights05/09/22 12:26 AM
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I would argue that men treat themselves as expendable because of biology. Pretty much our sole purpose as a species is to reproduce. Arguably, women are more important for that role, since women can only have maybe 15 children in their life tops, and men can have hundreds. Also because of how men adapted to be stronger because women were often pregnant or breastfeeding. It's why men took on more dangerous hunting/fighting tasks, women took on safer gathering tasks that they could complete with t…
/r/MensRights04/09/22 09:58 PM
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Okay, but wouldn't it make more sense that the reason that younger people are getting divorced more often, despite lower averages for infidelity for both men and women, has more to do with the time commitment in the marriage? Meaning, older people just are less willing to leave their marriage because they have committed more time to it? I don't think that you can reasonably blame high divorce rates at young ages on women for having a 1% higher chance of committing infidelity at the age of 20. Es…
/r/MensRights04/09/22 09:28 PM
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To brush it off as an abnormality is disingenuous when it is very clearly a contributing factor in a multivariable equation. I'm not brushing it off as an abnormality. It is clearly in that chart that I sent you. Women are most likely to commit infidelity at the age 60. Men are most likely to commit infidelity at the age 70. https://images.app.goo.gl/kK2megVBLa1r5Rr67 You would think that if it correlated with divorce rates, that you would see the highest divorce rates between the ages of 60 and…
/r/MensRights04/09/22 08:44 PM
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The age group getting married most is commiting more infidelity and is initiating divorce the most No. According to those studies the age at which people commit the most infidelity is around 60, and that includes women. But the age at which people get divorced the most is around 15-30. For infedelity for women between the ages of 21 and 29 it is 11%, and it peaks at 16% by the age 60 For men, between 21 and 29 it's 10%, and it peaks at 26% around the age 70.
/r/MensRights04/09/22 08:36 PM
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Oh I recognize that a lot of times women choose to work less often. Men are and women are studied to be equally competitive, but they are competitive in different things. And men are probably more competitive in the work environment, and I believe that is largely to do with their chances of finding a partner. Men put less priority on partners wealth than women. I also recognize that in cities women are paid more for the same work while in rural areas men are paid more for the same work. There's …
/r/MensRights04/09/22 04:25 PM
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Yeah I've heard his discussions on incels quite a lot, but again he's also ignoring data. His alternative has historically shown much worse outcomes overall. Advocating for things like chastity promotes early marriage. Sure, 20 something year old men might get f***** more often, but it increases chances of domestic violence which increases incarceration rates for men (ideally there have been times in history where domestic violence was not persecuted) and divorce, which obviously means more sing…
/r/MensRights04/09/22 04:11 PM
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Especially when you consider that the diagnostic criteria for children is crap Why do you think this? Have you looked at the rates of people going on puberty blockers preceding on to hormone therapy and surgery? From what I understand it's exceedingly high I am aware of an ongoing study however currently the study has only termed 5 years. It has found that about 60% of the people who started puberty blockers went on to start hormone therapy. It has not cataloged their chances of getting transiti…
/r/MensRights04/09/22 03:58 PM
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First off, I don't really think that you can fault people for initiating divorce. You can fault people for destroying the trust that leads people to divorce, such as the act of cheating. It seems based on our data that what is the most likely to happen is that men cheat and then women leave them. cheating more as well as initiating divorce more. According to the chart that I sent you, people are more likely to cheat later in their life. The ages between 60 and 69 have the highest likelihood of c…
/r/MensRights04/09/22 03:45 PM
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I would argue that stress makes people narcissistic and lacking in empathy. We also know that domestic abuse is more common across the poor. I would also argue that early marriage leads people to divorce. No I don't think you can blame either men or women for early marriage.
/r/MensRights04/09/22 03:29 PM
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https://images.app.goo.gl/sR1mDXssMDsu9h1f8 🤨 Even during that blip, the difference is less than 1% and it doesn't explain why female partnerships in general at any age, result in divorce more often since at every other age range, the rate is higher for men.
/r/MensRights04/09/22 06:18 AM
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While it's true that women initiate divorce more often, men are significantly more likely to cheat than women. 20% of men and 13% of women have cheated in their marriage. So indefinitely would not explain why lesbians have higher average divorce rates than gay couples. We also do know that finances and poverty are an incredibly strong indicator of divorce. It also leads people to cheat.
/r/MensRights04/09/22 06:07 AM
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That women make less on average, or that earnings correlate to child outcomes?
/r/MensRights04/09/22 06:02 AM
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Yes that's true. And I would argue that that has more to do with finances than sexuality. Women make less on average.
/r/MensRights04/09/22 05:48 AM
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Did you read that Reddit post in the op? First off the op is where it talked about starfishing so not my fault 😂 It also does not say anything about rape.
/r/MensRights04/09/22 03:28 AM
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It's clear it's indoctrination. Or maybe... and hear me out, when your oldest son graduated 10 years ago there were just as many gay, bisexual or trans people at that school, but they were closeted because of the prevalence of homophobic people in your community was higher. I would wager that there are a lot of people that graduated with your oldest that are now outspokenly gay. To an extent, I agree with you. There is a lot of evidence that social trends influence society. If nobody in the worl…
/r/MensRights04/09/22 02:00 AM
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If you don't think men have certain characteristics and women have certain characteristics then you can make a study that shows there is no benefit That study just looked at the psychological outcomes of children raised under homosexual vs heterosexual relationships and found no statistically significant difference. The study does not assume that men and women have the same characteristics. It simply looks at the two different types of marriages and the outcomes of them. There are already at lea…
/r/MensRights04/09/22 01:06 AM
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I am using the medical definition from the dsm-5. If the study is not using the DSM-5 to define gender dysphoria, it is not a study worth looking at. That being said I do believe that the study did use the DSM-5 definition when discussing gender dysphoria as it mentions the GID criteria.. I'm not saying the data is invalid but that you are misunderstanding it. Gender dysphoria is well known to be more common among trans youth than trans adults.
/r/MensRights04/09/22 12:49 AM
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A gay male or female couple while being able to raise kids in a loving home can't model male and female behave and provide the same kind of family environment. There is no empirical evidence that this has any noticable negative psychological effect on children between heterosexual and homosexual families. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/06/180628120036.htm Men and women can be modeled by any person the child's comes into contact with. Female traits can even be exhibited by men and vic…
/r/MensRights04/09/22 12:41 AM
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I have also watched probably at least 100 hours of Jordan Peterson's lectures. As I mentioned somewhere else in this thread I agree with a lot of his views. Especially relating to government. But I think he misses the mark on some of his views, that his includes his views on chastity, premarital sex, or having one partner for life and traditional early marriage, and his views against homosexual child rearing. I think he focuses in on a few data points that fit his rhetoric while ignoring the big…
/r/MensRights04/09/22 12:29 AM
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Two parents and children is a nuclear family. Not according to Jordan peterson. He believes that nuclear familes need two heterosexual parents. He has said that children need a model of both genders to succeed. He has argued several times that gay people are more promiscuous. (Even though gay marriages are less likely to end in divorce) He has said children need to exist in the traditional environment. However statistically that is not true. In many aspects children raised by homosexual parents …
/r/MensRights04/09/22 12:08 AM
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So something to understand is that just because somebody is no longer gender to dysphoric does not mean they are not trans.. Not all trans people have dysphoria, most of them just experience it at some point in their life especially in childhood. I wouldn't find it surprising that trans people have a high rate of homosexuality.
/r/MensRights03/09/22 11:57 PM
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is that science demonstrates that many kids who think they have gender dysphoria are actually gay I would be interested in seeing this study.
/r/MensRights03/09/22 11:45 PM
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objecting to underage gender reassignment surgery is that science demonstrates that many kids who think they have gender dysphoria are actually gay That is one of his points around trans people but that is not the one that I am talking about. He spends quite a lot of time talking about the benefits of a nuclear family on children. He explicitly believes that children do best when they have both a mother and a father. And while there are some studies that have found that children with heterosexua…
/r/MensRights03/09/22 11:43 PM
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Not so much with the law, but he has talked about the need to keep a nuclear family. I don't think you could say that he's arguing against gay marriage rights, but he does think that socially a gay family structure or anything that isn't a nuclear family should be avoided.
/r/MensRights03/09/22 11:27 PM
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I actually agree with most of JPS arguments. Especially when it comes to things pertaining to government. I think that some of the things he talks about, such as family structure and heterosexual relationships, he manages to avoid quite a lot of research on the topic and that seems to benefit his view. For example, He advocates very strongly for heterosexual relationships, arguing that they produce better outcomes for children than homosexual relationships. And while it's true that in some aspec…
/r/MensRights03/09/22 10:45 PM
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You would think that someone starfishing is a pretty clear indication that they aren't enjoying sex. Body language and all that
/r/MensRights03/09/22 10:32 PM
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by pointing out that its ok for blacks to hate on the whites because of history This is a non sequitur..... Trolling?
/r/MensRights29/08/22 11:48 PM
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I think therapy is necessary
/r/MensRights29/08/22 11:46 PM
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Never heard that
/r/MensRights29/08/22 11:45 PM
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There's a couple things here. What more proof do we need that we are GAY and are sexually aroused by MEN? I don't care what your sexual orientation is you should never touch a woman or man sexually against their wishes. I don't care if you're a raging homosexual and get fucked nightly by your partner or not. That's a lot different though from being falsely accused of a crime that you were not even present for.
/r/MensRights29/08/22 11:44 PM
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they are joking about girl who has a crush on man and how bad it ?
/r/MensRights29/08/22 10:28 PM
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If he was that "abusive", she should have stopped fucking him. She obviously did considering they are no longer together. Do you find it concerning at all that you assumed she is lying?
/r/MensRights19/08/22 05:11 AM
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The purpose of relationshipadvice is not to prove who was abusive. You can go to r/amitheasshole for that. On relationship advice, give advice given the information that you have.
/r/MensRights19/08/22 05:09 AM
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I really like that series too. But the point that I'm making is that Both Penny and Leonard end up getting into bad relationships and then the other gets territorial. Remember when Sheldon and Leonard get Penny's TV back?
/r/MensRights19/08/22 03:58 AM
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Then, he’s sort of the bad guy when he dated someone else some other season and she gets ‘territorial’. So there was this character named Zach...
/r/MensRights19/08/22 03:55 AM
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She did make mention in one sentence that he had been emotionally abusive in their relationship. If you are emotionally abusive to your partner, then your partner does not owe you anything. It is in her interest in her child's interest to stay as far away from any abuser as possible. That is also true for men.
/r/MensRights19/08/22 03:50 AM
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/10/06/less-than-percent-rapes-lead-felony-convictions-least-percent-victims-face-emotional-physical-consequences/ Reading is good for you.
/r/MensRights18/08/22 10:39 PM
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1% of accusations lead to conviction Part of the reason it's so low is because studies have estimated that over 2/3rds of rapes are never reported. https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/10/06/less-than-percent-rapes-lead-felony-convictions-least-percent-victims-face-emotional-physical-consequences/
/r/MensRights18/08/22 10:37 PM
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I think so
/r/MensRights18/08/22 09:58 PM
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https://www.npr.org/2022/06/03/1102872199/gallup-poll-pro-choice-roe-v-wade-supreme-court
/r/MensRights18/08/22 09:54 PM
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It would be irrational if that was their only intent. It's fishy because it seems like that would be much more likely for somebody that actually had raped somebody.
/r/MensRights18/08/22 09:53 PM
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Well there's evidence that less than 1% of rapes lead to conviction... So multiply .04 by a hundred and it's 4%. Or 1 in 25 women. Which is a lot higher than 1 in like 10,000 men or so that are falsely convicted.
/r/MensRights18/08/22 09:48 PM
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There's 160,000 people in the United States in jail at this point in time for sexual crimes. There is 330 million people in the United states. That means that you have a .04% chance of being incarcerated for a sexual crime. The chances of being falsely convicted are a sliver of that. You take a greater risk driving on the freeway. You have a significantly higher chance of dying from covid. But you're willing to up your entire life, leave all your friends and family and your job, and your home to…
/r/MensRights18/08/22 06:44 PM
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Actually, you have the ability to retract the use of your body. The baby is already using it. But in the case of the abortion both the baby and the mother are using her body. And allowing the baby to continue to use her body, it puts the mother at a serious health risk. If the father donates blood or senen to his baby he is no longer using that blood or semen. It is not putting him at a serious health risk to allow his child to continue to use his semen. I don't believe that the government shoul…
/r/MensRights18/08/22 06:35 PM
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Are you starting to see how the woman holds 100% of the rights? Yes, it's your body I understand what you're arguing, but your dodging my point. Both of the father and the mother have the ability to refuse to donate their body and allow their child to die thus relinquishing both parents from the duty to pay child support. They both have the same exact right, men just have the reason to exercise their right less often. Men have more ability to use their right to speedy trial because they are more…
/r/MensRights18/08/22 06:02 PM
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That is kinda fishy though...
/r/MensRights18/08/22 05:40 PM
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It's also worthy to note that we are discussing what should be, not what it currently is. I think the mother and the father should have to pay child support. I'm honestly not sure how this relates or what it's supposed to mean. The man can only donate blood if the woman has already made a decision to keep the child. Before the man has ANY choice like this, the woman has hers which takes presidence. There are instances where the man also gets to decide "to keep the child". They happen more rarely…
/r/MensRights18/08/22 04:48 PM
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and that you take responsibility for the consequences that happen directly to you as a result of your own willful actions Which is why we expect from both men and women to pay for their child, or take off partial responsibility. If the father decides to donate blood to a child to keep it alive, should the mother then be allowed to abstain from child support? Because he chose to keep it alive when nature called? I don't think that abstains her from her responsibility I hear many arguments that ar…
/r/MensRights18/08/22 05:32 AM
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which is a choice exclusive to her. That's a common opinion but I don't think that's also not true. The man can also refuse to donate parts of his body, his blood, his bone marrow, his organs partial liver transplants Etc and allow his child to die and then he would get out of the requirement for child support. It happens less often but that's just nature you're contending with. He would still have the same rights. It's not uncommon in our society for some people to be able to make more use of R…
/r/MensRights18/08/22 12:30 AM
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I will say that men not being able to financially abandon their child is not an equivalent to abortion. Women can't financially dodge child support, but neither men or women should be required with of force law to donate their organs, blood, bone marrow etc to their child. That being said, you can always message the mods directly. If the user you were replying to shows up as "deleted" it's because that user banned you.
/r/MensRights17/08/22 10:34 PM
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What do you mean by "gender roles"? Do you think these are outfits that men and women are expected to fill, or that they commonly fill? Over 70% of mothers today with children under 18 work. To be honest with you though I think it really depends on the couple. There are roles that men and women often prefer to fill, but it also depends on how stressful either of their jobs are, the lifestyles they chose. Some children are just terrors, or they have special needs. Some jobs are easy and some are …
/r/MensRights08/08/22 05:41 PM
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For most women, having a partner is tied to children. For a lot of women who are career driven, they are less interested in having children and therefore less interested in men. This is why women with high incomes are less likely to be in a relationship. They don't want to be distracted from their career. I also think your generalizations are really off base. None of the really career driven women I've met are the type to go out tonight clubs and f*** hot men they just met. I have a friend with …
/r/MensRights08/08/22 04:45 PM
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I would be okay with that if it was rape.
/r/MensRights08/08/22 05:29 AM
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Well I mean you're going to have a pretty biased response if you ask it here.
/r/MensRights03/08/22 04:05 PM
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Mostly introductory or mid level positions at white collar jobs. (Nurses, insurance agents, accountants, teachers)
/r/MensRights03/08/22 06:03 AM
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I think you misunderstand alpha, beta.. Alpha's are generally leader type. Pretty much how most people imagine them. Betas are usually the second in command. The right hand man, usually very outgoing, friendly, and socialable. Gamma is third in the heirarchy.. Often adventurous or free spirited. Very romantic. Sigma male is highly independent, highly self reliant. Very successful, but often puts relationships last. Delta is the most common. "Your average guy" Omegas are the outcast. The "lone wo…
/r/MensRights03/08/22 05:34 AM
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Be as healthy as possible. If she's sleeping in another bedroom it's because she doesn't want to create dysfunction until she perceives closeness as "safe" (not physically but emotionally) So you need to show her that you're healthy and emotionally stable enough to be in a close relationship. That's eating well, sleeping well, exercise, being social in a safe way, making sure your environment is clean, following or creating hobbies, and solving problems constructively. This is a better post for …
/r/MensRights03/08/22 12:13 AM
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Why is that genetically advantageous?
/r/MensRights02/08/22 05:07 AM
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And the book seems to encourage/condone it. "It’s not about giving them permission to ‘cheat’, not even giving them permission to refuse monogamy, but I hope it does give them permission to feel normal if they don’t like monogamy" That being said, I think it makes sense to say that men probably have a higher libido (so I disagree with the author here), but women may get intellectually bored with one partner. Not because they are more intelligent in general necessarily, but there is plenty of evi…
/r/MensRights02/08/22 03:21 AM
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You have to choose between you with your relationship and your kids. Or, as I said you can work on your relationship.( I know shocking conclusion right) We know from this form that the child is probably young because she's watching children shows. She's probably exhausted, and he's walking around with tons of energy apparently. It's very normal in relationships with young children for women to have a very low libido. If he wants to have more sex he needs to find a way to make a child raising les…
/r/MensRights01/08/22 09:55 PM
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Nobody here can see why having a child running around her house might be a turnoff for sex? If he wants her to enjoy having sex, then he needs to make it more enjoyable to have children or get snipped. If he doesn't want to work at it, then he should leave. But both of their financial situations will be worse, and it will probably have a negative impact on the kids outcome.
/r/MensRights01/08/22 05:52 PM
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Its like someone complaining about how mcdonalds got their order wrong, when other countries are starving. I know that sounds like I'm using whataboutism, but I'm saying that men's rights often get swept under the rug while a transgender person Why do you think men's rights are more important than trans rights? We talk all the time about how mistreating men socially leads to men's suicide, but you think discussing problems that leads trans suicide is "complaining about McDonald's"? It doesn't ma…
/r/MensRights01/08/22 01:38 AM
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Feminists claim they do, Claiming that women mean the opposite of what they say is really speculative. We can't argue speculation because it requires bias. Their actions show otherwise. Not only that, but movies and television clearly has not adopted this, seeing as virtually every male lead actor (especially in the Marvel movies) is the typical women's dreamboat in the name of Chris Hemsworth, etc. You think the women in marvel movies aren't? And as somebody who is a big fan of marvel, you're a…
/r/MensRights28/07/22 06:03 PM
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Of course, this movement is exclusively only for women. This is where you're wrong. The body positivity movement does focus on women because women are more likely to have body image disorders. Eating disorders Etc. But it most certainly is NOT exclusive to women, and there are many outlets that have celebrated male body positivity. https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2020/oct/25/no-more-mr-muscle-the-activists-raising-body-confidence-for-men So therefore it seems that it's the feminists tha…
/r/MensRights28/07/22 03:54 AM
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And again, who was it that destroyed the family unit in the name of "empowerment"? I don't believe the family unit is any more destroyed than previously. In fact divorce rates continue to decline. But divorce or seperation has always existed to some extent in every human society in history. It is not avoidable. So what's your solution to the inevitable instances where divorce happens? Does one parent get to live free if the responsibility of their choices? Or should women be financially enslaved…
/r/MensRights24/07/22 05:32 AM
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Sounds to me like a mother and father both choosing to make a life together and being responsible together You dodged my question. Why should the mother be expected to bear the entire financial burden during pregnancy? Why should she have to foot 22 grand for a C-section by herself? So now, in THIS SITUATION, the Pro-Choice perspective is "Unborn baby IS a child"? Interesting that... Actually I am somebody who believes that a fetus is a human life while also believing that women and men should h…
/r/MensRights22/07/22 06:55 PM
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It's not because people's opinions dictate law and therefore effects monetary policy.
/r/MensRights22/07/22 02:25 AM
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Weirdest troll I've ever met. You just try to convince people to read articles by making bogus statements?
/r/MensRights21/07/22 10:03 PM
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Why don't you try quoting where it supports your argument 😂😂😂
/r/MensRights21/07/22 09:07 PM
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Rofl. The article you linked literally cites your argument as a myth. Myth 13: human person begins with �brain birth,� the formation of the primitive nerve net, or the formation of the cortex�all physiological structures necessary to support thinking and feeling." Fact 13: Such claims are all pure mental speculation, the product of imposing philosophical (or theological) concepts on the scientific data, and have no scientific evidence to back them up. As the well-known neurological researcher D.…
/r/MensRights21/07/22 09:04 PM
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I think you should be more concerned about the fact that you agreed with a hate speech troll account.
/r/MensRights21/07/22 08:53 PM
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What EXTRA STUFF do pregnant Women require to be paid for while they're pregnant? Well a C-section cost about $25,000. A normal childbirth cost about $13,000. That doesn't even include all of the other doctor visits. There is food required (including the food she throws up), and she is providing it shelter. No less than a mother is providing a shelter to a newborn that shares her bedroom, assuming that you believe it is a human life similar to that of a baby stab a pregnant woman to death, and t…
/r/MensRights21/07/22 07:39 PM
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Literally no scientist agrees with you. Human life is generally dictated as something that has a full set of human dna, and has its own metabolic system. Do you have any evidence to support your claim or do you just expect us to take it as fact?
/r/MensRights21/07/22 07:31 PM
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I never bought life insurance for my children, so were they non humans?! They didn’t contribute to my financial health so why would I insure their lives for a monetary settlement in case of death? Some people do take out life insurance on their children. Child support in pregnancy makes no sense since there is little additional financial burden incurred to the mother by the fetus in utero It cost about $13,000 in medical costs to have a baby naturally in a hospital. A C-section cost about $22,00…
/r/MensRights21/07/22 07:23 PM
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about the child and is often what prevents men who actually want to be fathers from being deeply involved with the children they fathered Part of being an active father is paying for the child's cost. And I think that fathers get off pretty cheap. Consider California the average child support is about $650. Which is about half of the minimum it takes to raise a child per year. (Housing clothes food Etc) But you're also getting a full-time nanny. Which starts at about $24,000 a year and can go up…
/r/MensRights21/07/22 07:18 PM
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Why would men pay child support when the child doesn’t exist yet and the risk of miscarriage is so high? The argument is that if you believe the fetus is a human life, you believe the child does exist. This question was aimed specifically at people who believe the fetus is a human life. What needs does the child need financial support for the man to pay? How can he buy the child food that isn’t for the mother? It requires calories to build a child??? I don't really understand how this goes over …
/r/MensRights21/07/22 07:06 PM
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Child support pertains to a child's expenses like clothing, school fees etc; a baby in the womb doesn't have expenses. Most education in the United States is free. Mothers have to purchase maternity clothing, they have to pay for the medical care of pregnancy, and they have to pay for extra food so that they can grow a baby. Once again, the baby in the womb doesn't consume anything outside of the womb Do you think that the energy that is required to grow a baby comes from thin air? "Claim them o…
/r/MensRights21/07/22 06:50 PM
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He blocked me because I called out his account as a troll account. I can't respond to his argument. His account is obviously a hate speech troll account. He also completely ignored my argument which had already answered his question.
/r/MensRights21/07/22 06:44 PM
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The topics above apply to both parents.
/r/MensRights20/07/22 07:55 PM
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Why is your account fake?
/r/MensRights20/07/22 01:45 AM
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Why should women have to pay for yours in the above scenario?
/r/MensRights20/07/22 01:44 AM
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The usual argument is that men also get the same choice just less often, when the child needs an organ/blood etc. donation from dad, he can refuse to give up his body and allow the child to die. as a society we have decided that two people that have had consensual sex must be liable for the cost of the child.
/r/MensRights20/07/22 01:38 AM
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Q: What's the difference between a feminist and a computer keyboard/ A: You only have to pound information into a computer keyboard once. Look in a mirror. I've made my point enough times. I can't help that you keep trying to make false parallels despite being told numerous times they are not relatable and showing much more obviously relatable parallels. At this point you're being blissfully ignorant on purpose.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 10:52 PM
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You could learn something if you listened to your own statements.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 08:44 PM
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but you wouldn't say that about a liver right?" doesn't debunk that Except it does exactly that.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 08:22 PM
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It's like only giving miranda rights to one demographic and withholding them from another. Except you're just complaining that men don't have the chance to use their Miranda rights more often. Again it's equality of outcome. Everyone still exercises the same rights.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 04:29 PM
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???. who's demanding women to raise children All the women who pay child support or have custody because dad is a deadbeat. Which doesn't apply here as a child's existence is not a result of men's actions. It does apply to the action of sex in our society. Lmao, so you have a choice to not go through a pregnancy, as you could have refused to have sex Both men and women can legally refuse sex. Both can be required to pay child support. Neither should be required to donate organs. Simple as that. …
/r/MensRights05/07/22 04:04 PM
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Tons of women pay child support. Again you want equality of outcome through restriction of rights.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 03:08 PM
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Withholding a vagina is separation of The Consents Withholding a kidney is not, because the scenario intrinically PRESUMES all sorts of consents. No you need to consent to both.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 03:07 PM
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Conveniently she doesn't apply the same logic to abortion, and considers it being banned as "not letting me choose about my body" even though: She would have the choice to abort, if the fetus has malformations, She would have the choice to abort, if pregnancy is a risk to her life, etc. I don't know why you think these things contradict each other.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 03:05 PM
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including men’s right to consent, and true gender equality. I think men and women should have the right to consent to sex, and to organ donation. But if your goal is to restrict abortion so that "women get a taste of what happens to men", you're advocating for equality of outcome through unequal rights.
/r/MensRights04/07/22 07:24 PM
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It's not only acceptable, its the fair and ethical thing to do, as I already explained that the man has no responsibility. If you want paper abortions, You could argue that it would be equal to eliminate all paper abortions. Men cannot demand that women raise their children, or pay to raise their children and neither can women. But it would be incredibly harmful to society. Consent only goes so far in society. There are actions that you can commit in society where you lose the power over consent…
/r/MensRights04/07/22 06:00 PM
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Telling a woman that she cannot help herself to a man’s money without his consent, that she cannot financially rape him, is not “repressing” her. It’s simply replacing female privilege with equal rights Equal rights would be to say that men also can't demand child support from women. That would be equal, but it would be very harmful to society.
/r/MensRights04/07/22 05:52 PM
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I have not changed my argument, I have clarified. I have said before that men get to excercise their right less often, but that doesn't mean they don't have equal rights. I want the freedom of Opportunity to separate the consents, just like women have. It's like saying that you want more opportunity to excercise your Miranda rights, and you're upset that they are disproportionately used by black people who get involved in the law more. Having to excercise any right is not something people want t…
/r/MensRights04/07/22 03:40 PM
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You have some weird obsession to keep inventing these very implausible hypothetical scenarios. It's an actual equivalency. I prefer to stick to the real world, where the scenario is: man doesn't want to have a child, woman forces him into it and financially rapes him to the tune of $105,000. Feminists celebrate the man's suffering because they are sociopaths who oppose equality. Just as you're demonstrating. I celebrate it when women are court ordered to pay child support also. But I would never…
/r/MensRights04/07/22 05:00 AM
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. It frames men as having the "same" ABILITY women do AND pretends The Consents are conflated for women also. No it frames men as having the same rights as women. There's no such thing as a law that effects two demographics equally. It has never existed in the history of human law. If you are arguing for equality of outcome, you will always end up with a discriminatory and repressive policy. Consent only goes so far in society. It is not an ultimate rule. If you murder somebody, even if you don'…
/r/MensRights04/07/22 04:46 AM
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If a woman doesn't want to have a child And if a man doesn't want to have a child, and the kid needs his kidney. No child=no dispute over custody= no possibility of man having to pay child support Your rights never effect the population equally. Some people will be able to exercise some of their rights more than others. That doesn't mean you take away rights. That's equality of outcome, and when you push for equality of outcome you almost always end up with discriminatory law. Yeah, you dodged m…
/r/MensRights03/07/22 09:29 PM
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again a claim not an argument, this is pretty much the same argument that i already debunked here "again you are being fallacious. First why are you the one that decides what i consent and what i don't consent,+++++++++++ Because law is partially dictated by ethics. And ethically PARENTS ARE RESPONSIBLE for THEIR children. Sounds reasonable and not really controversial yes? But that does not mean that ETHICALLY parents should be required by law to donate their organs to their children. Pretty fu…
/r/MensRights03/07/22 08:46 PM
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Consent to Sex IS NOT consent to parenthood Legally it is for both parents. And it should be. But consent to sex is not consent to use of organs. I am VERY consistent in that view. This is NOT an opportunity for you to play creepy coercive word games. It IS NOT an invitation for you to debate MY CONSENT. You get to LISTEN and you get to RESPECT that DaMn WoMaN WoNt ReSPEcT MeEeeee!!!! Men's consent is not recognized under the law Not any less than woman's. inconvenienced one of your many reprodu…
/r/MensRights02/07/22 06:07 PM
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The point is that I cannot force a random woman that I had a one-night stand with to pay half my mortgage for 18 years. Lol yes you can. Courts often award custody to the father, and women are held to the same standard as men. but who gets custody depends on the child's current situation, and the families financial situation. That same woman should not be able to force me to pay for her choice for 18 years. Both parents should pay for their choice. That doesn't mean they need to donate organs to…
/r/MensRights02/07/22 03:52 PM
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No, you're admitting you don't know anything at all by dodging the question. That combination of ignorance & dishonesty means you're not worth anyone's time. Half of your last comment was you complaining about fenenists in general. Not responding to my comment. state and be back up to 3 rights that men do not have. What rights do you think men don't have?
/r/MensRights02/07/22 03:48 PM
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the study only looked at 2 years. And again it did find men were less likely to be abused. It doesn’t matter if the law is made to be called gender neutral VAWA also got gender neutral as well yet men are still largely excluded from it. Why do you think they are excluded? I understand that men report crime less, but the answer to that is not to remove the law. Its like saying that because women report rape more, rape should be legal Also I don’t think you can since feminism relies on patriarchy …
/r/MensRights01/07/22 06:42 PM
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even metanalyses Link? Even the study by Parity, (a men's rights group) found it was 2 in 5.
/r/MensRights01/07/22 05:57 PM
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I want to make sure I get custody if she passes. Is there anything I can do to make sure that's what happens, like file something in court? If a custodial parent dies, the surviving parent is usually considered the child's natural caretaker in the US. However there are exceptions. If the court finds you an unfit parent you can lose custody. If you haven't been paying child support, if you have past convictions of family violence, especially against the mother or children. If you are a convicted …
/r/MensRights01/07/22 05:18 PM
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Lately, this has become a part of legislation in many countries via the Istanbul Convention It's a problem when the law only applies to women. However the answer is not to remove the law but to include men in the law. Unfortunately their solution is the primary. Their argument is that they want to scrap it because Europe told them to do it. And it's a threat to "traditional family values". Which is backwards. This is not, naturally, true It is somewhat true. If not for pointing out the obvious e…
/r/MensRights01/07/22 05:10 PM
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False analogy, Sex often is exclusively recreational. And the risk is always known for both people. The mother consents to donating her egg, the father consents to donating his sperm. The mother does not consent to using her vagina, the father does not consent to using his liver. Even if their child requires it to live. The rest of your argument is gone. That's on the counter argument that's a cop out.
/r/MensRights01/07/22 04:53 PM
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First this is a straw man, you are arguing as if when i'm arguing against forced fatherhood i was advocating for a person that decided to have a child have no responsibility if they change their mind and decide they don't want a kid anymore. No that's not forced fatherhood, as they would have choosen fatherhood in the first place. And even if we consider that "forced fatherhood" you would be using the word in another context, to make it look like im making an argument that im not making. No, you…
/r/MensRights01/07/22 04:51 PM
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Women who do not consent to parenthood can terminate, put child up for adoption, or use safe haven laws. Importantly, Her decision is hers alone Men have equal power over the ability to adopt out their child. You cannot adopt out a child in the US without both parents consent, unless one of the parents has routinely failed to provide support and can be proven in court. Fathers are also equally protected by safe Haven laws, they just exercise it less often. Men also have the right to their organs…
/r/MensRights01/07/22 04:16 PM
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I think the MRA has a lot of really great platforms. Things like circumcision, equal sentencing, reducing male suicide and homelessness. But there's also a pretty pathetic set within the MRA who is focused less on men's issues and focus more on controlling women. I think this group of MRA is damaging to the other more positive platforms.
/r/MensRights01/07/22 04:12 PM
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These are just personal attacks which is usually an excuse to escape an argument. Do you actually have a counter argument? Why should women be required to donate their organs to their children at risk to their life, but not men?
/r/MensRights01/07/22 04:10 PM
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Well the vagina is an organ and so is the liver. Why aren't men forced to donate their liver when their child needs it?
/r/MensRights01/07/22 04:09 PM
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In that case, you can pay $500 a month towards my mortgage. It's OK, because you're not even covering half the cost of the mortgage, right? Many women do, and they should. "Consent to sex is NOT consent to parenthood!)" But only for women. Consent to sex IS consent to parenthood for men. Men have no reproductive rights and we like it that way. Feminism is about equality." Again you have the same rights women have. And the same restrictions. Men don't have to donate their organs to save a dying c…
/r/MensRights01/07/22 04:08 PM
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Go find the 3 legal rights that women have but men do not, in western countries today I said "you have all the same rights women have" This would negate my point. My point is that as of last week there is 1 legal right that men have that women do not have. Also, we already know there are no legal rights that men have but women do not As of last week, you have the right to not donate your organs to your children, but women do not. You're not actually answering my point. You're ranting.
/r/MensRights01/07/22 04:05 PM
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When you have sex, the mother voluntarily donates sex, and she voluntarily donates her eggs. The father voluntarily donates sex, and he voluntarily donates his sperm. But that's all. You don't donate your life or your organs. The child can come to a point in its life for it needs either of its parents bodies to survive, and when that time comes both parents should have equal control over the outcome.
/r/MensRights30/06/22 10:42 PM
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I always found it kind of funny how men complain about child support. In California child support is about $500 a month. But to hire a full-time nanny is at minimum $2,300 a month. You're not even coming close to covering half of the value of that labor. Men also have the same power as women. If their child ever needs to use the father's body, even if the mother doesn't want him to, the father can donate his kidney/blood/liver etc and force the mother to pay child support and be a parent.
/r/MensRights30/06/22 10:39 PM
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Nice straw man, my argument never implied that women didn't voluntarely had sex or something like that, No but you thought that a woman carrying a baby for 9 months was the equivalent to a man having sex when obviously the equivalent to a man having sex is a woman having sex If you donated your egg, how come i can't use it to force you to have a baby like you do with men? You can! In fact if my baby ever needs your liver and I really really want to opt out of parenthood and child support, you ca…
/r/MensRights30/06/22 10:09 PM
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again malicious fallacies is the only thing you can do. The point was, why men "donates" his semen and the labor he does with his body when he choose to have sex. And why the same logic doesn't apply to women. Women voluntarily have sex also? Sorry but this one's just obvious. Again it's the exact same logic. Men donate their semen and voluntarily have sex. Women donate their egg and voluntarily have sex. Neither person has to donate any other organs or risk their lives to ensure that their chil…
/r/MensRights30/06/22 09:37 PM
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Well it's a lot less deadly than childbirth to start. God forbid they value their lives.
/r/MensRights30/06/22 09:32 PM
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This is a double standard argument, if having sex means you agree to have your body controlled, then what are you bitching about? Nobody is controlling your body you "donated your vagina" the moment you had sex" The actual equivalent to a man doing donating semen is a woman donating an egg. Both parents donate their dna. She has not donated use of her vagina anymore than a man has donated use of his liver. Your arguments would allow a woman to abort whenever she wants It would not allow a DnX ab…
/r/MensRights30/06/22 08:40 PM
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They are yes generally more accurate reflections of reality. And they are the most likely truth.
/r/MensRights30/06/22 06:38 PM
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I think ideally the best source of information we have is a difference in difference metastudy. But I can be sure that the data that we have is a lot more accurate than your rationale.
/r/MensRights30/06/22 06:17 PM
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waving around things that have come off Google Scholar like they're the Word of God. You mean the NCBI? And harvard? Pew or Gallup? I'm not exactly pulling data from Quora here. I also understand the concept of negligible outcomes. The data I showed you did not show negligible outcomes. clearly demonstrated that you're not able to differentiate your opinions and value judgements from "indisputably correct" and "facts". The point was that I can, and that you rely too much on the primary, when you…
/r/MensRights30/06/22 05:00 PM
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I'm going to leave that conversation in the other thread to avoid repeating myself I think women should be held to child support. But no parent should be required to the risk their life or be forced to donate their body parts to their child.
/r/MensRights30/06/22 04:29 PM
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https://news.gallup.com/poll/244709/pro-choice-pro-life-2018-demographic-tables.aspx
/r/MensRights30/06/22 04:28 PM
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Most MRAs are pro choice. I would love to see evidence of that. [The situations are not equivalent, because women in red states can simply travel to a blue state to kill their baby. Men continue to have zero reproductive rights in all states of the US, in fact in all western countries You have all the same rights women have. I'll Grant there is an exception for rape that men don't have and should have.
/r/MensRights30/06/22 04:24 PM
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You do not have a right to force another person to pay for a choice that you alone made. Except that when you had consensual sex, you made a choice. Again, men can choose not to donate their liver or their kidney to their child and allow the child to die. Just because they get to exercise their right less often does not mean they do not have it.
/r/MensRights30/06/22 04:23 PM
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Men don't have to donate their kidneys to their children. They can allow their child to die also. But when keeping your child alive does not come at a health risk to your life, both men and women should be expected to bear financial or paternal responsibility.
/r/MensRights30/06/22 04:22 PM
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Nobody is controlling your body you "donated your vagina" the moment you had sex Yeah No, it's actually the moment they prevented women from having access to a medical procedure. It's also true for women btw, just because you gave birth, or because you had consensual sex does not mean it is legal to abandon your child. Doesn't mean that you're not held to child support. But it never means that you should be required to risk your life for your child. And that is true for men and women. I also thi…
/r/MensRights30/06/22 04:20 PM
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The point of the Indian doctor thing is seeing that even though you CAN "steal" their good assets (e.g. with high US wages), you shouldn't as obviously a huge poor country is going to be without doctors...analogous to not "stealing" desirable black men from black women as they need them. It maybe wasn't SO evident and compelling. I believe in the concept of choice again so if a doctor wants to come to the United States to make his life better he should be able to. If doctors want to donate their…
/r/MensRights30/06/22 04:07 PM
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If you don't believe me, believe them: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskALiberal/comments/vlin93/can_you_be_a_feminist_and_also_support_mrm/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
/r/MensRights30/06/22 05:59 AM
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I don't even understand where the Indian doctor thing came from. Why do you think that white women don't want to have Indian doctors? Another thing you brought up is intersex relationships. People "stealing" black men from black women. You might be interested to find that racism runs on a bell curve. The most and least homogeneous countries both have the least racism. The ones in the middle have higher rates of social unrest. In US society there would probably be more cohesion if there were more…
/r/MensRights30/06/22 04:58 AM
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Yeah. People don't want to affiliate with people who believe this. They don't want to be judged that way. Which is why the mrm movement is largely seen as secondary to the feminist movement. Why you have things like r/menslib
/r/MensRights30/06/22 03:25 AM
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Well I do know that men are much more likely to be pro-life than women. They also have a tendency to support trump.
/r/MensRights30/06/22 03:21 AM
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No, if I had decided I believed his opinion I would have said without a question "You think..."
/r/MensRights30/06/22 03:20 AM
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So you think that men should be forced to donate their body parts, because if they don't they're taking away someone's right to live?
/r/MensRights30/06/22 03:19 AM
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You claim that you are consistent but that's not true as you oppose paper abortion Consensual sex does not require that a parent donate a part of their body UNWILLINGLY. Consensual sex is an example of a person WILLINGLY donating of semen. Just because you chose to donate blood to your child at some point does not mean that you get to opt out of parenting. A more accurate analogy would be a father who knowing the risks did action X which resulted in his kidney ending up inside the body of his si…
/r/MensRights30/06/22 02:58 AM
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fatherhood because "if a kid has a sickness and maybe dies you can be free of it" If a child comes to a point in his life when he needs his parents body to survive, both parents should have the legal ability to refuse it. Nothing in my argument suggest that. In In that case, do you think that parents should be required to donate their liver if they are the only potential donor in their child needs it? Partial liver donations have about the same death rate and a smaller complication right than ch…
/r/MensRights29/06/22 10:39 PM
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but I also believe there has to be a limit So at what point should parents be required by law to donate part of their liver? The death rate is almost the exact same for liver transplants as childbirth. The complication rate is actually lower... You are removing something much smaller from your body. It's unsettling to me to think that a dad might not want to donate part of his liver, it's a procedure that only takes two months or so to recover from. But giving the government the power to go and …
/r/MensRights29/06/22 10:14 PM
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Huh, I'm sorry I find killing something you laid down and produced immoral and disgusting I agree that it's immoral. If a parent has the ability to donate their kidney or part of their liver to save their dying 8-year-olds, I think society should encourage them to do so. I mean heck, you produced it! There's a death rate but it's not that high. You knew the risks and that oftentimes parents are the only match. That doesn't mean I think the government should be able to force them to do so. Nobody…
/r/MensRights29/06/22 09:56 PM
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Calling something dishonest doesn't make it so. With abortion banned you have the same body autonomy as men No I don't. with abortion bans the only organs that have bodily autonomy or organs that belong to men. With abortion banned you have the same body autonomy as men, because you have the choice to not go throught a pregnancy by killing yourself. That's like saying "if you don't want to donate your kidney to your dying child just kill yourself!" That would be the equivalent. And you call my a…
/r/MensRights29/06/22 09:51 PM
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Abortion not only gives you the right to "bodily autonomy" it also gives you the right to choose fatherhood which is a right men don't have and that's the main reason why women to abort And if men decide whether or not to donate their kidney, they have the right to choose motherhood. If they refuse to take part the child dies. If they decide to take part the child lives.
/r/MensRights29/06/22 09:32 PM
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Because of mrm people who push to reduce women's hypergamy. Or take away women's reproductive rights
/r/MensRights29/06/22 08:46 PM
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I spent hours working (multitasking) out into a I have spent literally years debating these topics daily. Usually against liberals btw, there are mountains of studies looking at the causes of violent crimes, talking about how we can improve outcomes for women and children, and men. If you actually want to know what the evidence says about how we can improve outcomes for men? How we can reduce violence? The evidence says we need to reform our prisons to be closer to the Norwegian system. Their re…
/r/MensRights29/06/22 08:27 PM
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He's the one that brought up abortion. I was asking him to clarify.
/r/MensRights29/06/22 07:37 PM
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If I was being dishonest I would have assumed that was his opinion rather than asked.
/r/MensRights29/06/22 07:24 PM
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No the question mark implies that I was wondering if that was his opinion
/r/MensRights29/06/22 07:21 PM
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Take special notice of the question mark
/r/MensRights29/06/22 07:17 PM
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So you think the solution is to take away women's reproductive rights? Two wrongs don't make a right.
/r/MensRights29/06/22 06:51 PM
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AGAIN I am NOT in any way discouraging or forbidding interracial dating-strawman You don't think that this is an example of discouraging interracial dating?: "mentioned somewhere on here how fugly white girls tend to use their status as "white" to steal desirable African American men from African American women....this (as humans our drives are generally very "basic" and then BS rationalizations on top of them) . This aggravates racial tension as to white male perception, even "fugly" girls they…
/r/MensRights29/06/22 06:10 PM
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I agree with you! If you can prove in a court that a woman raped you and it resulted in a child, you should not have to pay child support. That doesn't make it acceptable for people to take away the rights of other people. The answer to a loss of rights is not to take away other people's rights.
/r/MensRights29/06/22 05:54 PM
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Actually a lot of aoc's platform would help men. She wants to significantly reduce prison funding and put it into social services. She wants to end mandatory minimum sentences. She wants to abolish ice (most immigrants are men). She wants to end solitary confinement, and require that incarcerated people be paid minimum wage, also end cash bail. She is pro-choice and wants more access to contraceptives and hygiene products for women. She wants to end forced sterilization of immigrant women. But I…
/r/MensRights29/06/22 04:47 PM
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You have the same rights women should have. If your child needs part of your liver you have the ability to refuse, and allow the child to die. You might get to exercise your rights less often, but you also have bodily autonomy.
/r/MensRights29/06/22 04:31 PM
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Nobody said you HAVE to mate with your own race. This is a strawman. What I said is NOT a synonym for ths. But you seem to think it needs to be a societal expectation? Why are you discouraging interracial relationships? People used to say the invert "GOD FIRBID THAT N*** HAS SEX WITH MAHH WHITE WOMAAN, THEM WOMEN IS FUR US!!!" Transferring the RISK which allows women to unreasonably speculate on mating partners (presuming they are seeking to acquire an out of their league permanent partner) back…
/r/MensRights29/06/22 05:45 AM
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Lopresti AL, Drummond PD, Smith SJ. A Randomized, Double-Blind, Placebo-Controlled, Crossover Study Examining the Hormonal and Vitality Effects of Ashwagandha (Withania somnifera) in Aging, Overweight Males. American Journal of Men’s Health. 2019;13(2):155798831983598. "In terms of testosterone and hormonal balance, ashwagandha has shown promise in supporting testosterone levels. In a study involving men aged 40 to 70, subjects given a supplement of ashwagandha extract showed an increase in test…
/r/MensRights29/06/22 04:17 AM
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Nobody brought up single mothers "as the woman may be forced to carry an unwanted child that didn't secure a permanent commitment...they" Doesn't make any sense. Contraceptive access has increased during a time that single motherhood rates have declined. women have gained more power over their reproductive cycle, and are seeing lower rates of single motherhood at the same time. lying about number of sexual partners" .... Rule of 3 is applicable, divide men/3, and multiply X 3 it for women to get…
/r/MensRights29/06/22 04:02 AM
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Lol Actually women between the ages of 25 and 44 are less likely to be virgins than men even though they are way more picky. https://www.livescience.com/13072-sex-stats-virgins-rise.html Women have more partners per year on average and are more sexually active despite being way more picky "On average, women experienced approximately four sexual partners in the last year, while men only had their way with three. When looking into how many days per week people are sexually active, women are gettin…
/r/MensRights29/06/22 01:50 AM
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collagen, zma, vit d, ashwagandha all of these increase testosterone. Ashwaganda alone cam increase it by as much as 15%. Whether she's right or wrong is dependent on you. What did you do to make her think you were "acting aggressive?"
/r/MensRights29/06/22 01:45 AM
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I made this forum a week ago, asking if they could coexist https://www.reddit.com/r/AskALiberal/comments/vlin93/can_you_be_a_feminist_and_also_support_mrm/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share It's a pretty unanimous "no". The few people that actually do push to fix men's issues are greatly outnumbered by the men who are just entitled bigots who want to make women "lower their standards" so they'll get to have more sex. There's r/menslib which is basically just a more moderate version of this…
/r/MensRights29/06/22 01:31 AM
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"Crude suicide rate in the United States, 1981–2016" shows no real change in suicide per 100.000 in USA between 1981 and 2016 I'm sorry are you looking at the same graph that I am? It shows that in every case suicide rates per capita have increased. For men it went from 17 to 22 per 100k. also shows no difference between 1980 and 2014 in any of the countries I mentioned: Suicides have been increasing in every country for the last 20 years except france. Today they are increasing there is an upwa…
/r/MensRights28/06/22 10:05 PM
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Bitch, you're a feminist I want equal treatment. Women don't get to rape, men don't get to rape. Women can have high standards, men can have high standards. And yes as high as they want it to be. The government doesn't get to force women through procedures. The government doesn't get to force men through procedures. The government doesn't get to deny life-saving medical treatment. Your entire ideology is based on you complaining about everything that men do You mean complaining about rape? The A…
/r/MensRights28/06/22 09:49 PM
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You asserted that men being more likely to be virgins (by ONE fucking percent) is the reason why women are MULTITUDES more selective in their dating (PHYSICAL) standards. Do you have any idea how retarded that is? That means that equality of outcome is almost equal. If you actually want equality of outcome women need to be pickier. Or men need to be less picky. Why aren't men extremely selective then? Because men having sex is doesn't increase their chances of death. You don't need to be in a re…
/r/MensRights28/06/22 09:38 PM
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/r/MensRights28/06/22 08:32 PM
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If women have all the sexual power, which we know for a fact that they do, then it's logical that they're less likely to be virgins. They are simply all going after the same guys. But we do know that the disparity that is shown in and how women rate mens "ugliness" is ENTIRELY COMPENSATED FOR by the rate at which women have sex. Despite them being WAY pickier they have sex MORE OFTEN. Heck if they lowered their standards they'd be having sex like bunnies. The cost benefit analysis is working out…
/r/MensRights28/06/22 08:28 PM
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Norah said she was acting hostile And she was wrong to apologize. She did nothing wrong. Again, if a man responded the same way do you think it would be a problem? "My friend is in the bathroom I haven't seen him in a while". The AuDaCITy
/r/MensRights28/06/22 08:20 PM
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Wow, you're such a hero. When are you getting the Noble prize for your bravery for saying "drafts are bad" on Reddit? So what have you done to advocate for removing the draft? What in the absolute name of fuck are you talking about I'm talking about cesarean section or childbirth. No it's not. And even if it is Ha. Abortion is now illegal in about half of states. Again, you only think that the right to bodily autonomy extends to organs that men have.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 08:19 PM
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provided a SPECK of evidence as Answered in the other comment. On top of that, you are quite literally making the argument that the reason why women rate the average dude a 2/10 if he's lucky is all because "she might face death during pregnancy". Wtf is even the connection? Death is the biggest risk you can take. Yes, because women gatekeep sex/dating & have all the sexual power. It's a tiny % of men getting all the sex. Actually it's only about a 1% difference for people over the age of 25. If…
/r/MensRights28/06/22 08:16 PM
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And that includes women having ridiculous standards towards men that aren't remotely compatible with reality & treating men like trash for failing to meet up to these delusional standards? ABSOLUTELY They do not owe ANYBODY their affirmation. And neither do men. It's on an issue of entitlement. If they have high standards it means they have sex less. They run their own cost benefit analysis and it seems to work out for them considering women are less likely to be virgins despite their high stand…
/r/MensRights28/06/22 08:02 PM
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the draft shouldn't exist" is more than enough to validate their claim that they're an "equality" movement. If feminists actually practised what they preached, removing the draft would be one of, if not their top priority. I've actually posted several threads saying that the draft shouldn't exist but I am no politician. am just as opposed to FGM as I am to MGM Unless it's a doctor cutting a hole into her vagina. Or it being torn in two. You don't think that counts as FGM. The point is that the g…
/r/MensRights28/06/22 08:00 PM
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Again, if the roles were flipped, you'd whine & scream "patriarchy". Except I don't think it would be. If a man says "my friend is in the bathroom I haven't seen him in a while" as a passive but not direct way to say "no please leave me alone" without directly insulting her. I would say that is a perfectly acceptable way to reject someone. "hey, I'm here with my girlfriend, I'm not really interested in a chat or date, I'm not available. Sorry. But have a good day I really don't see how that's an…
/r/MensRights28/06/22 07:55 PM
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Yeah we already went over this & you were proven wrong. Categorically so. I wasn't actually. You made a bunch of assumptions about why it occurs. That wouldn't result in women rating 80% of all men as ugly. Yet somehow women are more likely to experienced sex than than men. Some men just end up with more than one partner. It seems like the cost benefit analysis is working out okay for them. That's not an argument from authority, you moron. "An argument from authority (argumentum ab auctoritate),…
/r/MensRights28/06/22 07:51 PM
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I think what is "good" is for people to encourage people to make their own sexual choices.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 07:46 PM
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The other thread is broken so I'm going to respond to your other comment here. I think the draft shouldn't exist. What is hypocritical is that you think it shouldn't but also think that women should be expected to donate their vaginas. By your extremely asinine logic, women already have "bodily autonomy" rights & shouldn't complain about a supposed "lack" thereof, because "you can refuse to donate your kidney" too. All you're saying is that bodily autonomy should only extend to body parts that m…
/r/MensRights28/06/22 07:19 PM
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Wow really this is an example of what you think women need to stop doing. How do you think she should have reacted in that situation? Do you think that she should have been required to give him a chance? Or do you think she should have just said "here's my PUSSY fuck it!! MMHHMMMMM!!!" I consider this an example of a woman letting a man down easy. Because she could have said "Ew your gross I don't want to talk to you leave me alone you creep" And that probably would have been more rude than nece…
/r/MensRights28/06/22 07:08 PM
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I think that the right to choice is your entitlement. Nobody should be denied that, and the right to choice should not be discouraged.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 06:58 PM
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lower than what should be considered "fair" The only thing that should be considered "fair" is a system where everybody has freedom of choice. see men outside that category as "worhty", has absolutely nothing to do with female entitlement & delusional standards? Who do you honestly think you're kidding? I think it has to do with women running a cost benefit analysis. Women may have less drive to be in relationships than men. If they are desperate enough to be in a relationship they will have to …
/r/MensRights28/06/22 06:57 PM
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and she has multiple available ways to achieve this), What rights do you think women have that men don't? And don't say autonomy because again you can refuse to donate your kidney.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 05:50 PM
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Man can get birth control too. Nothing stopping you from getting a vasectomy that is a 100% out.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 05:49 PM
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From the United kingdoms government office of national statistics (ONS) https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/wellbeing/articles/menenjoyfivehoursmoreleisuretimeperweekthanwomen/2018-01-09#:~:text=In%202015%2C%20men%20took%2C%20on,comes%20to%20taking%20leisure%20time.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 05:48 PM
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She is expected to be a proper fucking parent to her fucking child. And you seem to be looking for any excuse to not be.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 05:46 PM
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Then she only consented to sex and not children.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 05:45 PM
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If you don't donate your kidney to your dying child especially if you're the only donor which often happens, I promise you won't be a parent.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 05:45 PM
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Where can women legally adopt out children without the father's consent?
/r/MensRights28/06/22 05:44 PM
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Actually there's evidence that men take more leisure time than women in relationships with children. So apparently it's the other way around.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 05:43 PM
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Men will decide what is a "good man", and why, and when. Not women. Why? Because women cannot guarantee that they will not push private self-serving bs over whats good for those men. Men and women can both decide what good people look like. If either don't want to have a relationship with the other they should have that choice. Because women cannot guarantee that they will not push private self-serving bs over whats good for those men. Something about pots and kettles again.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 05:42 PM
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You probably wont argue that these things are "bad". And I wouldn't either. Any culture that encourages people whether they be men or women, to be more picky about how they freely choose their partners, should be encouraged. And any rhetoric that tries to discourage that should be mocked. I don't know what you're referring to here.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 05:41 PM
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?
/r/MensRights28/06/22 05:40 PM
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So? Dont have kids you cannot afford Exactly? If he wants to have sex he's consented to children. Don't have sex if you can't afford it.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 05:40 PM
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I think freedom of choice is the superior system.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 05:39 PM
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You also have the right to autonomy. It takes one to refuse to donate his liver.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 05:38 PM
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And last I checked, those women are not paid to nanny their own kids. Well apparently they should be. If you want services from the mother to watch your kids, there should be a bare minimum of the going rate for full-time nannies.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 05:38 PM
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What about the right to adopt the child out without knowledge/consent of another parent - that women DO have? Somebody said that but that's not true in any state. You cannot adopt a child out without consent of a father. The only instance where that happens is if the father is failing to provide care. Then the judges will make exceptions. It is illegal to leave your child at a fire station.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 05:37 PM
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Lol, I end up paying contractors to do all of this. The last time my husband tried to service our car we ended up having to tow it.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 05:35 PM
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It is entirely justifiable for women to refuse to have sex with men. To think that a man is below her level, or to be picky and have high standards. If you consider that treating men like garbage I can't help you.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 05:34 PM
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No you don't & if you do/have, you have made it abundandly clear that you don't really think there's anything wrong with women treating men that way. And yes, it 100% comes from women. There has never been any cultural reinforcement that men are "the prize". That just doesn't happen. In this instance I was just saying I don't think there's anything wrong with men or women being confident or aware about what they have to offer. It's not about high standards. It's about delusion, hate & hypocrisy.…
/r/MensRights28/06/22 05:23 PM
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Never happened. "I have never said it is acceptable for women to rape men." https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/vlkug4/do_you_think_the_way_women_choose_partners_is_an/ie04dw6?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3 "As long as you do not feel that you are entitled to it there's nothing wrong with trying. You should never be expected to settle. And any culture that discourages settling (that don't involve violence) should be encouraged. That is true for both men and women." ht…
/r/MensRights28/06/22 05:20 PM
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No one has proposed any solutions You said you wanted to reduce hypergamy, and gynocentrism. In plain text.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 05:12 PM
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And your saying these feelings that they are expressing to you shouldn't be said? No not at all. In fact I have also said that men end up less happy. But the solutions they're proposing are not reasonable. . I dont think men are killing themselves because women dont love them, Then why are suicide rates rising?
/r/MensRights28/06/22 05:08 PM
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....I can be perfectly happy on my own That's probably for the better. You seem to expect men choosing attractiveness to women over whats best for them. Why is that? Why do you think I think this?
/r/MensRights28/06/22 05:06 PM
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And yet, its feminists screaming "where are the good men gone" louder and louder XD I have a pretty great husband. We've been together for over 13 years. And yes he also has a very high income as an engineer. Recently he even achieved a higher level of education than me. So no I'm not desperate for a man. I already have one of the best.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 05:04 PM
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I think men should have the full right to opt out of sex. If you don't want to have a relationship then you are not required to be in one.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 05:03 PM
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Why should men be entitled to the Free Labor of women? There are nannies out there that get paid well over 400k a year.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 05:02 PM
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If we are to be held responsible for something, give us same means of exiting the situation as women have. You can remove the child even after its born, by adopting it out. Even without fathers knowledge or his consent. You do have the same rights as I do you just get to use them less often. You have the full legal right to deny your child access to your kidneys or your liver. It is 100% legal for you to allow your child to die.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 05:01 PM
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Gurl, we consented to SEX, no to BEING A PARENT. Sorry, but consent rules. In that case women didn't consent to being a parent either. Not "work". Work is what you do for profit. Then why are some women paid over $100,000 a year to nanny?
/r/MensRights28/06/22 05:00 PM
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Why is that? Why do some men in relationships do the same thing?
/r/MensRights28/06/22 04:59 PM
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You are the one getting pregnant. Its in your interest not to be pregnant? You handle it. Men dont exist to handle yours anything. It takes two to get pregnant honey.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 04:57 PM
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She is expected to be a parent AND have a career. To get full-time child care in California cost between $2600 to $4,300 a month. Yet child support is $650 a month. You're absolutely right we should absolutely pay women for their services. The absolute minimum for child support regardless of what a father makes is should be $2,600. And I don't care if you make less than that. Also, men take more leisure time than women do in a marriage with children where the father works.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 04:51 PM
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The government shouldn't have the power to force people to risk their lives for others. Abortion is a lot less deadly to the mother than childbirth. Childbirth takes several years off her life. For the same reason men shouldn't be forced to donate part of their liver if their 8-year-old needs it. A procedure which is almost just as dangerous. But if you don't want to have sex with people that's your choice.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 05:14 AM
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I think there's an argument for a sex strike against men who support banning abortion. But I don't think the argument for a sex strike against men who refuses to get a vasectomy is valid I think if men or women want to raise their standards or don't want to date at all that's completely fine and should be encouraged.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 04:50 AM
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I wasn't intending to be dishonest.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 04:36 AM
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This coming from the same woman who lectured and berated me for supposedly calling myself (or making myself out to be) "the prize", when I stated the exact opposite... that in spite of all the things I've achieved & what I am, I still am made to feel worthless, by women in large part. Meanwhile, you got some degree in "architecture" (don't care) and you unashamedly call yourself "ELITE". What a joke. No I totally accept that women do this too. But to say that this is something that only comes fr…
/r/MensRights28/06/22 04:32 AM
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I see where we're having an issue. I did not see the YouTube video earlier. Reddit has been having issues today and links were not working. No I absolutely think it is completely acceptable for men to say no to sex. But to be fair I have also said several times I do not think that it is acceptable for women to be entitled to a man's affirmation.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 04:27 AM
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I think that's quite a lot of prejudice here. What makes you think that all men who don't meet the standards of women are "nice guys". What makes you think that all men who do are jerks? I think there's definitely an argument that women are pickier about men. And I think you can argue that it leaves a lot of men unhappy. But trying to control women's choices is no solution
/r/MensRights28/06/22 04:20 AM
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Why shouldn't the man have used birth control or chosen a better partner? Men have the ability to buy birth control also. Why should women pay for your failures?
/r/MensRights28/06/22 04:16 AM
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What you accomplish during your marriage is shared equally between both spouses. If you had assets before you got married you should be able to keep those. Kids? If she cannot upkeep them, she cannot be a primary custody parent. She can go work on her career, and pay support to HIM. This will enable the father-child bond to develop, and will only benefit the child in the end. Uhuh. So why should the male be allowed to hold primary custody if he depends on the mother's income for child support? C…
/r/MensRights28/06/22 04:14 AM
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I'm guessing you have personal experience with this?
/r/MensRights28/06/22 04:10 AM
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How do we fix that? I don't know Then there's no conversation here. I agree that it leaves many men unhappy. But the solutions other people are proposing here are extreme. Society should not expect women to be open to dating men they are not attracted to or do not meet their standards. Other people here seem to believe that it should. gynocentrism female entitlement These two, in the context I was using them, are examples where women get to use "selective dating" if they want a relationship wher…
/r/MensRights28/06/22 04:08 AM
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Wow you must be really drunk to have that many typos.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 03:59 AM
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Honey there are tons of male pleasure toys out there already. I have no problem with them. I also have no problem with legalized prostitution, so long as it's voluntary. Heck if sexual relationships stopped existing I would be fine with it. So long as people are not forced into a relationship, that's great.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 03:57 AM
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Why do you expect men to accept subpar woman as a partner? I don't expect men to accept them. That doesn't mean they should aim for it. I think men should punch above their weight also. If they succeed, good for them. So long as people understand they are not entitled to another person's affection, it's fine.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 03:54 AM
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I think a better solution is to allow both men and women aim for partners that are wealthier/more educated etc.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 03:51 AM
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So, you think gynocentrism is ok? Hypergamy is ok? What happened to equality, and respect, then? Because if you treat a woman like a queen, she will never think of a man as a king - for her he is a servant. Also, world doesnt just exists to carer to pussy owners. Androcentrism and gynocentrism is okay in moderation. It's okay for women to hold the pants in the family, make the majority of financial decisions, vacation decisions Etc. It's okay for men to do that too. But in either case it can't g…
/r/MensRights28/06/22 02:32 AM
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partner paying in any way, shape, or form for your choices. And what if men choose to have sex? Why shouldn't they be expected to pay for their choices? im expected to parent and still have career - you can do it too. Noone said its easy. Men can do it, why cant you? Worthless or something? Well I could but that's because my schedule is very amenable, and my career is very lucrative. And I have a rich family. But not all women are as lucky as I am. They may not have had access to the same resour…
/r/MensRights28/06/22 02:22 AM
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Would just like to add that you considered yourself "elite" Oh no. I consider myself elite today because Im 28 with a degree in architecture and I make well over 100k, while working freelance part-time and managing most of the household, while also having a dowry. Also being a solid 8. And I am perfectly aware that my dowry, and my looks is not my accomplishment but it does make me a catch. But here's the thing, if I was single, I wouldn't blame men for not wanting to date me. Everyone has their…
/r/MensRights28/06/22 02:11 AM
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And as such, any child support or alimony, should be solely based on mans good will and his own volition at the given moment. That means though that you do not think that men should be held responsible for children? Why shouldn't men be expected to face the consequences of their choices? She should have her own career anyway, and a good one at that. We want a partner, not a dependopotamus. Yes, even if shes pregnant. Yes, also while she has a child to care for. Men are not income providers. Not …
/r/MensRights28/06/22 01:57 AM
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No you're correct they didn't say it was specifically suicide. They said that it makes men feel inadequate like they're unwanted Etc.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 01:53 AM
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Women will probably never be as motivated as men to be in a relationship. Studies have shown that women are less likely to have high libidos. Women over time are having children later as they get more expensive, and medicine improves. The fact that men are more desperate for a relationship is not something that women should have to pay for. There's nothing wrong with men raising their standards for women. If men raised their standards that would equal more equal dating power. But forcing women t…
/r/MensRights28/06/22 01:52 AM
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I said from the start, you're nothing more than a deeply toxic feminist Personal attacks are not arguments. LMFAO. I never agreed that low level men only going after elite women & dismissing every women who's not in that top 20% is the equivalent of men grabbing women off the street, Listen I repeated that I was talking about literal rape several times and you seem to ignore it. I could only conclude that was your opinion. That's YOUR view of men who subject women to the EXACT same treatment you…
/r/MensRights28/06/22 01:48 AM
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What do you think women want to "talk" or negotiate about. I'm assuming that's what you mean by "talk" What do you think they want from men that they can't already get?
/r/MensRights28/06/22 01:37 AM
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Well, I can think of a few. For one it makes you significantly less attractive. Would you be willing to date somebody who thought men should be forced to date fat women?
/r/MensRights28/06/22 01:36 AM
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But you understand they do say that, like constantly, right? And there's a bit of a contrast there in that not being morbidly obese is attainable by the vast majority, whereas being rich is attainable by a small minority and becoming taller is attainable by nobody who has finished growing. You're forgetting curvy body or good looks. Not attainable. You can work make money or lose weight. Ok, but society disagrees I think there's rhetoric on both sides. Women criticize men for being incels. Men c…
/r/MensRights28/06/22 01:34 AM
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disrespect What counts as disrespect?
/r/MensRights28/06/22 01:28 AM
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What I understand your argument to be based on the English was that "women bitch about men, I wouldn't use that as an excuse for why men shouldn't vent" Maybe a misuse of a double negative.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 01:27 AM
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Also, if he was so obese, poor, and "beneath your level", why exactly did you give this dude a chance if you're constantly pushing for women to go after the most elite, creme de la creme, men at the top of the dating pool? You mean to say you don't practise what you preach? Because he was easy to talk to and very kind. Yeah that's the problem here... you are allergic to admitting when women cross over into toxic behaviors. No I think it can be toxic for both men and women having the pants. That …
/r/MensRights27/06/22 11:10 PM
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Sorry but you're going to have to be more specific than that too. The 80/20 rule is very broad
/r/MensRights27/06/22 10:56 PM
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Lol. So you double down & confirm that you think it's perfectly fine & acceptable for women to genuinely treat men like disgusting people & for women to only accept the most elite men, even if they are hopelessly ugly themselves... but if men subject women to the same treatment/standard, they are literally a "RAPIST". HAHAHAHA So YOU think that women posting on Twitter about how ugly men are going after them IS EVEN REMOTELY COMPARABLE to a man GRABBING A WOMAN OFF THE STREET, FORCING HER AGAINS…
/r/MensRights27/06/22 10:46 PM
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. "I am elite", F outta here... you're almost certainly not No I'm saying compared to him I was. I was 16 so no I didn't have any phds. I just had a lot more money than he did. I was arguably hotter. I was the tennis captain not a supermodel but always a good solid 8, he was morbidly obese and has always been morbidly obese. Actually when I met him he was on crutches. The only point that I was making is that I don't have anything to gain at this point in my life from supporting hypergamy. I punc…
/r/MensRights27/06/22 10:33 PM
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shitting on those Can you be more specific about how this looks in society?
/r/MensRights27/06/22 09:45 PM
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Do you accept that women rating 80% of ALL men as "ugly" is motivated, at least in part, by female entitlement? I think that it's partly because women are picky. Which you can say is entitlement? But I don't think there's anything wrong with it. Women should be allowed to be picky. What do you think female entitlement looks like? Your first link isn't working. I'm assuming that's your graph again. whilst treating all the men beneath that level as garbage, that's empowering & "completely acceptab…
/r/MensRights27/06/22 08:40 PM
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Couldn't be at all that it's just because you stand to benifit, could it? /s I can at least comment on hypergamy. I've been with my husband for 13 years. We started dating when we were 16. I was easily his elite when it came to class. My family are basically property moguls, I have a huge dowry. His dad is a blue collar worker and he has three brothers. So no, I personally do not stand to benefit. Of course you would argue that gynocentrism & hypergamy are "completely acceptable", as a woman/fem…
/r/MensRights27/06/22 08:28 PM
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Except women very much feel entitled to the elite men, yet you have no problem with that as you've repeatedly made clear. How? What do you think it looks like when it woman is entitled to an elite man? Because when a man feels entitled to elite women it usually looks like rape. You only answered it in your last reply when I pressed you multiple times I literally responded the first time you asked. Hahaha, and you disagree with that??? How DARE I call out toxic mindsets Gynocentrism? The idea tha…
/r/MensRights27/06/22 08:12 PM
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never said we actually "need" to do this to women. Stop whining about this already. You have said repeatedly that we need to change what you call "toxic feminist" cultures. Your refusal to address my question about you being okay with men rating 80% of all women as ugly. I haven't refused. Again I would think that is completely fine. have told you like ten times that NO ONE CARES that women are picky. The problem is that their level of "pickiness" is way beyond healthy These two statements confl…
/r/MensRights27/06/22 07:43 PM
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To avoid repeating myself I'm going to keep it in the other thread.
/r/MensRights27/06/22 07:30 PM
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yet I've stated the opposite NUMEROUS times And then you conflict yourself and say that culture that encourages them to be picky about their partners should be shut down. Did you not? Remember gynocentrism? Hypergamy? Your words. These are cultures that encourage women to be pickier. And they are completely acceptable. There are cultures that encourage men to be pickier and they are also completely acceptable. You're saying that women should be expected to scrape the bottom of the barrel. Any ma…
/r/MensRights27/06/22 07:24 PM
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There hasn't been a draft for a long time but I can agree that the draft should not exist. I don't think so that there is a problem with men opting to join the military. There is not a person in our military who is forced into it today.
/r/MensRights27/06/22 07:13 PM
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That would absolutely happen Maybe. But that doesn't mean that it SHOULD. And it does not justify your behavior. It does not justify doing the same thing to women. I agree with you. Men shouldn't be expected to have sex with fat people they're not attracted to. At the same time women should not be expected to have sex with ugly men. Nobody should be expected to lower their standards. advantage over men & I'm asking you to be honest about the reasons why that's the case, SOME of which are not jus…
/r/MensRights27/06/22 07:10 PM
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The MRM doesnt link male suicide to women's evolutionary mating choices. There are people in this thread who seem to think it does. I was just offering a very generic example.
/r/MensRights27/06/22 06:58 PM
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Lol "necessarily" And then he follows it with this. "However, there's a difference between accepting women's evolutionary reasons for higher standards & justifying an added level of female entitlement which is reinforced by the culture." There are many male cultures that encourage men to be pickier about their partners. Everything from avoiding marriage to avoid alimony, being careful about who you have sex with so you don't have to pay child support, social structures that encourage men to go a…
/r/MensRights27/06/22 06:55 PM
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But that alone would not explain the disparities we're seeing How do you know? The part of the disparity that is caused by toxic cultural/feminist reinforcement SHOULD change. It's that simple. Do you think that the culture around men that discourages men marrying women because of alimony should be eliminated? or the culture that discourage men from having sex because of they may need to pay child support? Or the culture is that encourage men to go after women who are bombshells? You can argue t…
/r/MensRights27/06/22 06:48 PM
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They are not saying they should lower they're standards. He literally said EXACTLY that. His words not mine: "If you truly wanted men & women to be on the same playing field, you would have to force women into "lowering" their standards, at least to the point where they are equal to men's standards" It's in plain text honey.
/r/MensRights27/06/22 06:39 PM
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Women of the stated age are physically and mentally better equiped on average to recognize a looming danger than children are. All that means is that they are more likely to protect themselves adequately. The examples in the op are examples of that manifesting. You would probably expect a child in that situation not to react the same way. It doesn't mean they shouldn't.
/r/MensRights27/06/22 06:37 PM
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Sure. I have no issue with men being pickier about their partners also. But the reality is that will probably never be the case. Because men have higher libidos on average
/r/MensRights27/06/22 05:52 PM
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If the situation was reversed, and men were the ones with provably higher standards, do you honestly believe that women/society as a whole wouldn't lose their mind & use these statistics as categorical proof of rampant misogyny, objectification, and disgusting male entitlement? You'd have to be delusional to not see the double standard here. I don't think that the correct response to this would be "we need to indoctrinate men into being willing to accept uglier women" That's an indicator of an o…
/r/MensRights27/06/22 05:47 PM
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that men are using men being rejected as a men's right issue Okay so you're saying that men are not criticizing women's choices, yet you rant about how women are not willing to date short men? Do you not realize that you are literally acting out the exact same behavior that you claim to disagree with? It's written in plain text. That's not gaslighting. "Short men know how cruel women's rejection of them can be. Strangely enough the women rejecting these short men are even shorter than them, but …
/r/MensRights27/06/22 05:16 PM
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I think a lot of women do too, but that doesn't mean that there aren't plenty of male rakes floating around.
/r/MensRights27/06/22 04:28 PM
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Still, I'm not really sold at the structure that we saw on the 70s was better. Yes I do think it's better for children to have both parents, but that is not always the case. Women should not end up getting trapped in abusive relationships, and shaming divorce can cause that.
/r/MensRights27/06/22 04:27 PM
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Well I'm pretty hot and not very strong. But for women in general, their safety is more important than your feelings. L As a society, we think it's acceptable for children to be careful about predators and weary of strangers even if it might hurt their feelings, but not women? Women, especially women between the age of 16 and 30, are more likely to be victims of abduction and rape than any other group. Why do we think it's not socially acceptable for them to be careful?
/r/MensRights27/06/22 04:24 PM
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I can agree with you that women have higher standards. But I don't think it's a fair argument to say that is a problem. I don't think it is a problem for either gender to have standards. Women have to risk a lot more. They can die from childbirth or have serious medical complications. A lot of women end up being a primary caretaker for children who have fathers who pay the minimum child support, or don't pay it all. They have to completely structure their life around their child, they usually en…
/r/MensRights27/06/22 04:18 PM
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Everybody has their own preferences, i wont blame or question them for it. But its a different story if they start discriminating the men who dont fit in their standard, or try to make it “the standard”. How do these two statements not conflict each other?
/r/MensRights27/06/22 04:10 PM
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If women were less strict about their dating preferences, or they tried to get into relationships sooner, they would be more willing to date men who are younger and less wealthy, or less attractive.
/r/MensRights27/06/22 04:05 PM
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The paranoia of a grown woman is hardly comparable to the need of protection of an underage child. Why? Women are more likely to be victims of domestic violence than children. Women between the ages of 16 and 24 are the most likely to be raped compared to any other demographic. The most common victim of abduction are women between the ages of 15 and 30. I'm not saying that children shouldn't take caution but there's no reason women shouldn't also. They're at least equally in danger.
/r/MensRights27/06/22 04:04 PM
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Hard to say why. It's because of divorce rates. Society has in general become more accepting of single mothers, and divorced couples. I think that at some point populations need to peak and I would prefer that they be because of social reasons rather than lack of resources.
/r/MensRights27/06/22 03:57 PM
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You think that men don't?
/r/MensRights27/06/22 03:54 PM
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Sure. That's why I said that women are more likely to date people who are older than them. That leaves 20-year-old men dateless.
/r/MensRights27/06/22 03:53 PM
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The argument men use is that we are bombarded with body positivity propaganda about accept grossly unattractive women Did you actually read the entire op? At no time are men saying women should be forced to date someone or some type they find unattractive, but in us pointing out their hypocrisy because they do exactly the same thing but are very much more brutally cruel about it, our point is being, as a deflection tactic, either mistakenly or deliberately and deceitfully misrepresented as us wa…
/r/MensRights27/06/22 03:50 PM
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I would never hold them up as an example of good behaviour or an argument for why men shouldn’t vent about dating Doesn't that seem a bit one-sided? Why is it okay for men to vent about women's choices, but women can't?
/r/MensRights27/06/22 03:39 PM
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I think that's a really biased of most of those professions. Arguably many politicians and military personnel try to create positive change. In Afghanistan, the area saw a lot of aid, increased birth rates, more access to education up until we left. When we left they had widespread starvation. I think that today women have more power than they used to. They have more control over their reproductive cycles. But I don't think it's fair to say that women have always had more power. Men have always …
/r/MensRights27/06/22 03:36 PM
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Well it's probably changing a lot. Women now have more control over their period, they have contraception, so they end up having more control over their reproductive system. But do you think that changes for the worse?
/r/MensRights27/06/22 03:29 PM
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If they wait until 30 to pick out a man to have a committed relationship with, the available pool of hot rich tall guys is even smaller, and the ones that are still not taken most likely have some kind of personality problem. I would argue it's the opposite. Men get wealthier as they get older so there's going to be a bigger pool of wealthier men. Most 20 somethings in our society are barely getting by and that's true for men and women. But arguably more important in a sexual context for men. Th…
/r/MensRights27/06/22 03:27 PM
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Why do you think hypergamy is an issue? Why shouldn't people "punch above their weight"
/r/MensRights27/06/22 03:21 PM
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Elaborate? What is cc?
/r/MensRights27/06/22 03:17 PM
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Sure it impacts men's issues. But do you think that it's an issue in itself?
/r/MensRights27/06/22 04:02 AM
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If we can convince more women to look outside that demographic, more women (and men) will end up happier in their lives. I understand why men would end up happier, but why do you think that young women would end up happier? Most women don't really want to have any kids until they're 30 today. Most of the 20 somethings I know who got pregnant are pretty unhappy and wish they would have waited, because none of their friends are pregnant.
/r/MensRights27/06/22 04:02 AM
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Elaborate?
/r/MensRights27/06/22 03:40 AM
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Men have the right to not simp I know that this means foolish but can you be more specific about what you mean by "the right to not simp"
/r/MensRights27/06/22 02:58 AM
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Okay. Now imagine if it was your child. Like a 5-year-old. Do you think that their safety is less important than a parents "paranoia?" I want criminals to succeed less often. I would rather people be less sheeplike. And that includes open carry.
/r/MensRights27/06/22 02:48 AM
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Here's the thing I get it. It sucks to feel like people think you're scary. But she can't read your mind, she doesn't know you. There are plenty of horror stories of women getting attacked while jogging. She's being safe Your hurt feelings do not trump her safety. And it works the other way too.
/r/MensRights27/06/22 02:16 AM
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I have never found a person who supports this
/r/MensRights27/06/22 02:11 AM
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