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The secret of her success 39 per cent would sleep with their boss for a promotion.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/21 02:55 PM
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Lol do the LTRs in high priced cities who stay together because rent would be too high staying alone count?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/21 10:34 PM
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Smelly?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/21 10:34 PM
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It is not a wise decision for men (possibly women too) in current era. To really tldr it, too risky for too little reward, as anything a man wants today he can have without commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/21 07:21 PM
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Trp mostly rejects commitment, but there are strains that try for it (there's even a version for married men)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/21 05:32 PM
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Oh for sure I was just quoting it lol I think committing is a nutty idea for men
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/21 09:03 PM
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Hah could be!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/21 08:13 PM
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Interesting Also "Stubble can definitely lead to trouble - because women tend to view men with facial hair as more casual matches.”
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/21 07:33 PM
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These aren't the guys complaining about sexlessness Guys who don't want to deal with dry spells should just quench the thirst/date the dry spells with hookers
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/21 05:56 AM
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Oh shit I just realized wasn't it you that said the libfem thing
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/21 02:12 AM
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That’s why you should wait before sex and watch out for shy red flags that a man is trying to use you for sex. That's easy enough....discard and fuck some other girl. Thanks liberation! Not that that's a reason not to do the thing you said. Just sayin. As one poster put it "libfem is advantageous to men might as well strike while the iron is hot" or some such No one said it is Umm yeah they did lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/21 01:45 AM
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Why blame? It is what it is. The environment is what it is. And there is ZERO reason to be more moral than women. That's what "balls" means. "Balls" isn't martyring yourself while the others do as they please to justify their ends. Go try and trick idiots into that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/21 07:06 PM
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Someone or group of someones doesn't have to be an "enemy" to conclude that what is good for the goose is good for the gander. It is a very elementary proposition. As far as I can tell, the only possible counterargument would be that women are some kind of protected class entitled to special treatment and not capable of adulthood, in which case let's bring back the patriarchy and chaperones. Got any other counters? Or should we bring the chaperones back? Everyone should be interested in doing th…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/21 07:00 PM
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Nope. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Why should men be BigGer PeoPle ie martyrs lmfao give me one fucking good reason why men ought to hold themselves to one goddamn iota of standard higher than women (of their socioeconomic class)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/21 06:55 PM
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Women also manipulate, they're just better at framing their self-interested acts as neutral or even pro-social. Wealthy people are also good at this.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/21 06:45 PM
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Lol according to armchair psychologists every non-positive observation about other people is pRojEcTiOn
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/21 06:13 AM
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The two main types of reliable casual sex are party scene, and artsy/nerdy/eccentric introverts looking to online dating to rack up triple digits to delude themselves into thinking they're desirable
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/21 03:12 AM
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He is a feminist "ally", who takes back the protagonist even after she is seen walking out of a bar with another dude late-night. 🤢🤮
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/21 05:37 PM
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r/beholdthemasterrace
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/21 07:09 PM
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shatters your entire worldview and removes your moral superiority. You care more about preserving that anything else. Not that poster but why do you think that's true? Learning there's ten percent of the population starving all the time doesn't seem to shatter just about anyone's worldview, so what are the odds that this would? It's more like huh. That sucks. Then get back to life.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/21 06:16 PM
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What happened since to make it so taboo?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/21 06:10 PM
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You should make this its own post interesting thought experiment
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/21 06:08 PM
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but to me that's exactly the role of a man to protect and provide this can take shape in many forms Better to be keep it moving from girl to girl than to do any such thing for just one
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/21 06:06 PM
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It's probably more obvious than you think it is lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/21 02:58 AM
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I think it's a self-selecting kinda deal....the ones who intuit they'd have no hope of breaking through it anyway figure there's no point. Like king illiterate himself. he used to be a democrat with the "right" opinions--still didn't work.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/21 02:46 AM
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My question is then why are white collar redditers who aspire to be upper middle class openly supporting right wing parties. Like way to ruin your cred dude, you need to be liked to move up the ladder lol. Can't buy class
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/21 02:42 AM
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And no, don't give me your stupid, "it's just hyperbole". YOu'Re tAkInG iT LitErAlLy NoT sErIoUsLy
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/21 05:54 PM
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Haha probably, but here's hoping his pride makes him do it so that every election is just "right divides its votes, left wins" for the next however long the harebrained scheme lasts
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/21 03:23 AM
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So he's going to be starting up the "patriot party".. Has there ever been a congress where every member is the same party lmao they're eating themselves whole 🍿
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/21 02:33 AM
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A lot of men think that women just because they CAN always find someone to have sex with, it’s what we want and this isn’t true. The ones who do do it, though, it can only be assumed that that is what they want?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/21 11:09 PM
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So why not state that as the purpose of the riot? Too proud?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/21 05:49 AM
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I unironically have no idea. Whatevs.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/21 02:13 AM
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Anyone reading the above would conclude drugs. If you have a point, I invite you to make it. Or don't 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/21 02:11 AM
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Are you on drugs
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/21 02:06 AM
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Could you try that one again I'm not following
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/21 02:01 AM
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High key everyone knows they would rather have to be stuck in the middle of the capital riot compared to the floyd riots regardless of skin colour as apparent by the mob not killing the single black officer their The verdict of polite society has been rendered good luck appealing it...to whom? 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/21 01:46 AM
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They ain't gonna get shit (except mass digital silencing, that is) how bout dem apples
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/21 01:26 AM
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finessing him for pizza 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/21 12:45 AM
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Thus, if everything's a job to them, why associate with men at all? Why do they push so hard for commitment, exclusivity and marriage if they hate every aspect of married life so much? To try to maximize their return lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/21 11:09 PM
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I've never given a prostitute money before. Hash Tag YOLO
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/21 04:32 AM
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There's always something to complain about. Relationships take effort regardless. If you're a guy and you're gonna make the mistake of imprisoning yourself to the same aging, boring pussy day in and day out, may as well choose someone hot (or better yet don't imprison yourself at all)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 05:13 PM
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more than I could ever get from a salary, And how much would that be
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 08:50 AM
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Were you looking for a different thread lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 06:28 AM
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Doesn't have to be a calculator
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 06:13 AM
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Ok fair, so is 2,000 a month a good threshold for that kind of thing, or was that just for example
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 05:49 AM
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Heh yeah that's totally fair....so, let's hear em!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 05:49 AM
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What would be an example of entry level, bare minimum "accomplishment of amazing thing". Like to make an analogy technically an extra on a tv show is an "actor", right
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 05:48 AM
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Just wondering like where?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 05:47 AM
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Adding the little in parentheses thing doesn't change the fact that you're making it sound like they're being victimized or deceived, I guarantee you that these middle aged men know what they're doing in lol Everyone wants to deceive themselves into thinking they're young and attractive lol can't con and honest man etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 05:46 AM
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Some women do though. I guess you'd be especially well-positioned (giggity) to know how such women see the game.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 05:45 AM
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Lol all the world's a stage
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/21 11:11 PM
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What does that even mean
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/21 07:32 PM
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I'm 35 and almost every sexual experience I've had has been the guy being super pushy until I give up. Sounds like you need to avoid being in the same house alone with any man you don't want to fuck (whether yours or theirs). I mean, what other option do you think you have? You blame patriarchy but this is why there were chaperones, because it was known that a large contingent of women, like you, can't properly assert themselves and never will be able to do so (among several other reasons). Free…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/21 05:40 PM
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It's not useless, but should be accorded its appropriate weight
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/21 10:38 PM
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So I'm talking about rape and oppression and you automatically talk about quickies for no reason? Marriage today is a glorified quickie I'm muting this discussion. It's still there for the readers 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/21 05:09 PM
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That was bad. So is treating a glorified quickie as though it's actually a lifetime commitment. Pretending is for children.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/21 04:42 PM
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What’s good for the Google is good for the goose Heh
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/21 04:28 AM
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It's just these are rarer than the "escape a shitty situation" divorces. Is there any way to know either way the relative frequencies...I'd imagine even attempts to study would prove difficult. Feels like shit to think in relationships in these terms, but the reality is we perform these calculuses even if we don't want to or don't like it, and they subconsciously influence our attraction and desire to be with a partner. Totally agree, and don't even have a problem with it. I just think the inelu…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/21 03:31 AM
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Sure I just think that that pictur being trapped marriages that were previously unbroken is an incomplete picture. It's hard to tease them out because along with the "baby" of bad marriages that should end coming to an end, you have the 'bathwater" of inconvenient or boring marriages coming to an end. I guess there's a case to be made that those, too, are worthy of ending, but then I'm back to why bother.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/21 03:09 AM
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It's not a complete picture. regardless of why the change has happened, the divorce rate going from 4% in 1960 to many multiples now indicates (also indicates, if you like) that marriage has gone from a lifetime commitment to a glorified quickie...but with the same bill at the end. Why bother? New pussy is way more fun, and at least from a guy's perspective, sacrificing that for nothing is...well, it's fuckin dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/21 02:08 AM
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Go on
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 11:56 PM
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For better or for worse, if it's a glorified quickie, what good is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 11:55 PM
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If you’re looking for guarantees there are none The divorce rate was 4% as recently as 1960, and now is many multiples of that Normies: "sure that'll do" Not to be crass but it sounds like adulting 101 is for idiots
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 11:47 PM
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Oh sure, but it's not the same. It's not generations of familiarity (aside from family, of course), deep lasting social ties, daily reliable involvement. You know it isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 11:28 PM
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Well if you look out in the world at what people actually do, your premise is apparently simple, but not easy (not easy enough to be done to the degree it should by as many people as should do so) Trp also says never marry, which is in my view true. Obviously the less entangled you are, the easier it is to next. But not everyone follows that path. So there we are.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 11:21 PM
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Lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 10:55 PM
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Informed vetting, if anything, might be the only real reasonable shot anyone has to hope for finding a good relationship I can agree with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 09:38 PM
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That's the world that most city folk inhabit, is it not
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 09:37 PM
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Oh sure I'm not saying people shouldn't try to vet. It would probably be better if people strive to fully understand its limitations, however, as well as their own limitations, and finally the limitations imposed by the powerful feelings romantic situations (the "goggles")
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 09:01 PM
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That's a really good point
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 08:48 PM
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If someone does not find out they're a "bad" vetter (I'm accepting for the sake of argument that that's a thing) until marriage, the damage is already done (perhaps indefinitely or even permanently depending on the lock in factors)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 08:47 PM
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Your experiences shape your character and behaviors. Which can be projected in a manner that is desirable by the other person. Not to mention that behaviors can change...wait weren't you the one that made the post sexuality is a trap for men lol. Perfect examples. Never mind the digital and human imprint we leave. Which are carefully curated, or if they aren't, the fact remains is what you're selecting for is careful curation of public identity.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 08:45 PM
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Marriage, for example. Or living together. Any kind of entanglement that makes it inconvenient or even impractical to leave when you realize it's what you want to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 08:42 PM
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That's because they don't know how to vet, not because vetting doesn't work Unknown unknowns. How is someone to know if they're good at vetting or not lol. We're back where we started.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 08:41 PM
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If you get to know someone and select for relevant characteristics then absent major brain trauma you won’t have these problems. You don't know if what you're getting is an act. Things like community and reputation used to buttress these personal efforts. No longer.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 08:40 PM
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You're dating an avatar, your conception of whom is simply what is projected. There's no accountability, and you very well may not know the reality until you're locked in and it's too late.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 08:38 PM
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Community bonds and ties and reputations...that's where vetting has any kind of real currency. Vetting each other as rootless strangers amounts to rating carefully curated avatars.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 08:34 PM
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Ah I see what you mean, it's enough that she won't become e.g. burdensome or out of control in those times. That's fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 08:33 PM
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Heh I like this analogy a lot. The house always wins though.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 08:32 PM
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go after people that already lived through a similar tragedy or whose parents are already dead so you can get information about how they react when shit hits the fan. They might react far differently to your tragedy than their own tragedy lol, especially given that men and women are different and women expect different conduct from men than they do from themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 08:31 PM
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Without roots. Not tied to a specific place or community over generations in the way most people usually have been
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 08:30 PM
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But it's not a reliable one. It's little more than guesswork (whelp, didn't break up yet). It's a common lament that married people are no longer getting the person they thought they were getting.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 08:21 PM
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I think having options helps in terms of what someone is willing to tolerate, like you're gonna be able to discard others more easily, but especially as a guy there's the danger that someone who seemed good is simply putting on an act till they've extracted what they want from you (perhaps marriage), by which point you're locked in and it's too late to make a clean break.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 08:19 PM
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I think you're right that those are things it is wise to avoid, but I also think it's important to understand the limitations of those kinds of criteria. Take abuse, for example--a lot of abusers have no criminal history or red flags. Mask off.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 08:17 PM
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Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying. In what way does vetting "prevent" you from a bad marriage or being abused? If it did, abused women wouldn't be like "I didn't think he was like that, that's not the person I thought I knew"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 08:15 PM
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Well put. Yeah, vetting might get you to, for example "we both do/don't want children" (though sometimes, people change their mind)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 08:14 PM
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It will prevent you from having a bad marriage or being in a position where you’re dependent on your abuser (as an adult). Because at that point they’re no longer strangers. By that time you're already locked into the game. Breaking apart is easier said than done, which is why so many endure years of silent suffering. Hence vetting is delusional...it won't "prevent" any of the above.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 08:08 PM
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People adapt to their station in life Or they don't, and fail Those are the only options
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 07:32 PM
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The ones that are attractive just so happen to look young...should all be so lucky
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 08:44 AM
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Yeah in general there are definitely bad beginnings that turn into bad marriages
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 01:50 AM
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could you make this scenario stupider? how about "he calls you a big fat pig 14 times a day" and "he brings other women in the house to fuck them and they point and laugh at you" Those are marriages that happen
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 01:39 AM
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Well no I'm a guy that's why I posted in automod
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 12:58 AM
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Of course it wouldn't bother her, which is maybe why the understanding you're trying to incite isn't there in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 12:55 AM
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Katana matatata
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 09:39 PM
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How's it meta
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/20 05:28 AM
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Everyone wants what they can't have and has what they can't want
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/20 04:41 AM
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Ain't no laws against double standards
/r/TheRedPill13/12/20 03:41 PM
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It's pretty common for younger people to abide by fake morality with no real basis even off internet. That whole thread of people doesn't just think these things online.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/20 03:02 PM
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Well I mean whatever the thing is money, some men complain about being "emotional tampons" or whatever nonsense lol, like, ok, if a girl you haven't had sex with starts telling you about their problems just say "not interested" or whatever
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/20 04:27 AM
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Well sure anyone can wait for anything. Women can wait to have sex till they get a ring on their finger or a commitment or a goat sacrifice. Men can wait to spend one red cent till they've gotten their dick wet. And so on. The onus is on the individual to protect their interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/20 04:24 AM
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Is a woman saying she wants to have sex with a guy but later backing out "dishonesty"? Or does "my body my choice" only apply to women lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/20 04:08 AM
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Modern/atheist morality is a dispute about whether some dumb hole gets abandoned ten minutes or ten weeks after a stranger dumps a load in her
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/20 03:32 AM
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I wager not the same men
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/20 02:12 AM
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That men have wider arousal windows than women is not really a controversial position.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/20 03:18 AM
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State elections are boring as fuck I think the better way to put it is "all kinds of things there are demand for don't get done until someone spearheads it" but happy to agree to disagree!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 08:09 PM
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The composition of the constituent jurisdictions is different. Prostitution laws are state laws. So to that extent I'd agree that German men are more plugged into national voting than American men are to statewide voting.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 08:03 PM
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I don't follow I guess...how's this connected to demand
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 07:52 PM
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The reason prostitution isn't legal is because the demand isn't there. I doubt there's materially less demand in the US (illegal) v a place like Germany or Australia (legal). Whatever the reasons might be, differential demand doesn't seem to be one of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 05:29 PM
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Yeah the tweet is wrong but even if it was right that trailer lizard would be the worst possible example of it
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 04:24 PM
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I'm just saying once most men know they won't stand for it and will optimize their own outcomes, as you suggest everyone ought to in your comment, which I agree with To facilitate that it's important that men know
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 11:00 PM
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Many men don't know. Face it the reason it's kept hidden, women's nature, is to exploit the worker bees. What will happen when it's discussed all over the mainstream and all the guys know? Gravy train over....all the money and emotional support and attention (such as such men have to offer) will go directly to whores, do not pass go, do not collect $2000.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 10:14 PM
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Even if you're not attractive like you use to be you can still pull off not being a provider while being an old man. Well sure I'm not saying literally none can. Some can. I think it's less likely than the alternative, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 09:53 PM
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I'm me 🤷‍♂️ if my level of affection or whatever is inadequate, well, there's the door. That's the society we live in.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 09:52 PM
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unrestrained sex, even with the restraints you mention, is only harmless on the surface. I’ll let you figure out the answers/specifics on these What would be the fun in that? There is literally no downside. Men were born to fuck (well maybe there's some variation)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 07:42 PM
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we should value sexual restraint in men too. Like, why? People should fulfill their urges to the fullest extent permissible by law that doesn't interfere with future desire fulfilling (ie maintaining fitness, so that I agree with, and finances). I mean I guess this is a hypothetical but in reality the cat's out of the bag when it comes to sexual restraint anyway. Displaying any kind of restraint beyond legal obligations and fitness/finances is at this point suckerdom/male middle class martyrdom …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 07:35 PM
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People want what they don't have, no matter what they are. Most things are pretty easy to lose, not just a job. For example, most guys on the level of attractiveness you're talking about don't stay at that level forever (the longer the time, the fewer the guys who are) I agree with you otherwise...if you're gonna pay, pay directly and put it in an envelope. Guys should pay to fill the dry spells so that the thirst is quenched and they don't make dumb fuck decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 07:30 PM
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The essential violation that takes place in prostitution is that the woman has sex with more than one man during one menstrual period and therefore confuses the identity of the man who would be the father of any resulting pregnancy. Therefore, payment for a single sexual encounter is highly problematic. The payment has to cover exclusive sex during the entire menstrual period. In that sense, sugar relationships tend to have a higher level of compliance than hourly sexual rental contracts. Yeah t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/20 06:31 AM
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cohabiting is dumb idea for women who want to be more than forever girlfriends Ok and a dumb idea for men who don’t want commitment or exclusivity A man wanting it, in current year, is a dumb idea 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/20 06:16 AM
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Co-habiting (like marriage and like commitment) is a dumb idea for men regardless of the laws why complicate replacing boring pussy with new pussy
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/20 07:31 PM
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That was the motivation of the South Carolina man whose petition for a common-law marriage led to the recent Supreme Court ruling there. Interesting how they only seem to realize that outdated laws are outdated when men try to benefit from them lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/20 07:24 PM
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Ok, but even if they are getting angry at those other behaviors, they're nevertheless perfectly lawful (other than the ones that aren't)...there certainly ain't no laws against starin.... and there isn't a damn thing they can do to stop it, aside from petition their legislators to criminalize those behaviors
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/20 11:22 PM
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It’s not that deep. Once again, no problem in wanting, that, but it's unrealistic to the point of childish delusion. There's no way to selectively control whose sexual interest you'll arouse. It's enough of a leg up that it's hard to feel too bad, though. Ain't nothing free in this life. Nothing is only good. Women are free to sexualize or not sexualize themselves. What they have no control over whatsoever, however, are lawful reactions to said sexualization.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/20 10:50 PM
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Objectively, no lawful act is a problem, and everyone is free to do and say as they please; however, some people (men and women, even feminist women) might find women who vehemently protest being sexualized except when beneficial to doth protest too much. But nothing stops them from doing so all the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/20 10:26 PM
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depending on the time of the month
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/20 10:05 PM
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Only when beneficial lol
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/20 10:04 PM
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The idea of men and women being friends didn't even exist until the last century, and the reality of men and women being friends is mostly mediocre at best, exploitative at worst, with a few exceptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 03:57 PM
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What about muh oppression lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/20 09:57 PM
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Very sad to see. If men werent so thirsty none of us would be here--sad? Have some goddamn gratitude
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/20 05:19 PM
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So many “rules” become rigid because of stereotypes. Funny how both men and women have this problem in figuring each other out ... no one is really willing to be real IMO. It's the society we live in. It's the most toxic time in human history to trust another person so deeply, while at the same time having billions upon billions of dollars of advertising passively trying to suck you into it. I mean, some people genuinely will not be complete without a monogamous commitment. Those people should d…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/20 01:46 AM
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If you can't get any you probably don't need rules lol. Your life is already set up such that none of these things will apply to you. It's the guys who are viable options and who have viable options (mArRiAgEAbLe) who need rules (let's call them boundaries, actually) in the first place so they don't get sucked in.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/20 01:33 AM
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Society is a vampire. It works day and night to manipulate you and suck you in to its normative plan. Without rules (let's call them boundaries, actually), society ends up winning. Of course, that's only applicable to men who are choosing in the first place. If a guy has no options/sent their own way/etc., he doesn't really need rules or boundaries because society already did the work for him by excluding him.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/20 01:30 AM
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But they'd rather avoid the tussle all together. Well yeah... If these guys ran the sidebar on MRP, they'd all be fairly prepared to deal with all this stuff. If you're gonna do all that work, might as well do it in service of fucking new pussy instead of tightrope walking for the same aging boring wrinkly burden 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/20 01:28 AM
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5) NEVER MARRY/MOVE IN WITH A PERSON UNLESS KNOWING THEM FOR 1-2 years. 11) YOU'RE BETTER OFF PAYING FOR PUSSY THAN DOING SOME DESPERATE SHIT JUST CUZ YER DICK'S DRY
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/20 01:25 AM
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I think much of it is contextual. Feelings derive from instincts, which were developed in an environment of far less complexity than that which most of us currently inhabit. I think that personal destruction stemming from interpersonal breakdown is conceptually inevitable, and the ones who avoid it, it is basically coincidental....like not everyone in a given industry gets laid off in a recession, but that doesn't mean it's a stable industry.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/20 12:41 AM
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Well ok, maybe you're right. Regardless, what underlies all of this is committing, moving in, etc. So that's what's fundamentally "beta", and the rest follows from that, is how I see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/20 12:03 AM
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Starting from one end, what about a man and woman who make equal money and contribute equally to household expenses? The guy monogamously committing is still beta. I'm not saying no women are resource vampires, but situations where the man makes all the money and the woman makes none of it are pretty rare now, and large disparities are less common now as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/20 11:40 PM
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I don't think a girl has to fuck the other guys for them to register as better mating opportunities. It's more like whose around/seems ascertainable as a prospect. Depending on the person, they might think the whole world is a possibility, thus including the hottest people in movies/social media, the latter making it easier than ever to give the illusion of connectedness.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/20 05:45 PM
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Good talk
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/20 05:31 PM
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BB in current year isn't so much "bux" as comfort. High n-count, I mean...that's kind of a crapshoot though. We're all rootless strangers. Maybe you're better off never committing. I think it's a terrible idea for men to commit in current year because every damn thing he wants, he can get without doing so--sex, friendship, intimacy, adventure, even children
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/20 05:31 PM
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You're only a BB if your money is the only reason women are attracted to you Nah BB is comfort. Like that other poster a few days ago said (found it), it's called "beta bux" because it's catchy. But it's not limited to "bux", and in fact in a society where women work it's quite rarely bux, or at least exclusively bux.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/20 05:28 PM
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What are you trying to avoid specifically
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/20 05:26 PM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/20 05:24 PM
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He can be sued for gaining weight lol wow well speaking of acts of god lots of people are gaining weight because of the 'rona lockdowns maybe he can just blame it on that
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/20 07:15 AM
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I know some people are saying it sarcastically but becoming less attractive is about as close to a solution as it's going to get, probably. He's walking around with a million bucks plastered to his face.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/20 07:03 AM
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I’d feel like it would make sense to do it with someone your considering marrying. Ah. So as to why someone would want to have sex with people that don't fit that description: Adventure Curiosity Boredom Perception that it is low risk/manageable risk Belief that they won't marry for a while Horniness Availability of potential partners who are arousing but not necessarily marriage material Rebellion Fitting in Filling emotional needs Reclaiming trauma/filling emotional wounds Urgency to have chil…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/20 03:55 AM
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That's a risk, such as it is, of sex outside of marriage regardless. A relationship isn't a blood oath there's no skin in the game, it's a promise built on air castles and anyone can leave at anytime for no reason or any reason. If this is your perspective isn't the relevant question whether or not to have sex outside of marriage? I mean it seems to me that the risks are mostly manageable in current year, but I guess everyone has to decide what their risk tolerance and perception of tradeoffs ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/20 03:47 AM
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it doesn’t make sense to me to put yourself in positions that could possibly alter your life a lot. What do you mean
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/20 03:41 AM
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This is like really common knowledge unless I'm missing what you're driving at Fertility rates by country
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/20 11:36 PM
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Third world countries have many more children (well above replacement), whereas first world countries have far fewer children (below replacement). Thus it stands to reason that any global overpopulation issue is being driven primarily by those who breed at far above replacement rates rather than below.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/20 11:35 PM
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The overpopulation problem is not in the same places as the not breeding at replacement rate problem
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/20 11:32 PM
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and women bare children giving them the 'precious' card. They don't even do that at a replacement level anymore, thereby making all the societal coddling a total and irredeemable waste
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/20 11:23 PM
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Nah they care even beyond those extremely rare outliers
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/20 07:08 PM
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We live in a society. Thus, it's not like it's limited to women on this topic, or even just limited to this topic. For example, there's lots of moral busybodydom regarding men who aren't conventionally attractive who only want to date conventionally attractive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/20 05:59 PM
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Yeah I agree that no one is going to really be harmed from the unwanted being too big for their britches, but I also can't abide deliberately ignoring that it's a thing that happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/20 05:52 PM
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I was gonna complain about you complaining about them complaining but then where does it stop!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/20 05:49 PM
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Like, sure, but aren't you complaining about complaining doe
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/20 05:48 PM
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Like, sure, but aren't you complaining about complaining doe
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/20 05:47 PM
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she probably just means someone who isn’t currently in prison and sort of has a job. Nah. I mean people are free to have whatever standards they want, but I think this is a vast underxaggeration.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/20 05:46 PM
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I'M A FIVE STAR MAN
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/20 10:49 PM
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They don't always have a baby in the AF phase
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/20 08:59 PM
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There is way more to manhood than a fleeting nut. This amount of investment in something that can't last as opposed to all the other things, including regular access to sex, is retarded. What lasts is the rotating cast of fleeting nuts. Literally ignoring all other dimensions of life and putting women down to do it is retarded. You literally can't literally ignore all dimensions and still get said fleeting nut regularly. Yet we don't see TRP focusing on making men more financially solvent like t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/20 06:42 PM
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And for what? A fleeting nut. It is not comparable. Just because that's what men want, and what men want is different from what women want, doesn't make what women want better or superior. There's not really anything at stake anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/20 06:04 PM
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the people in charge. To what end
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/20 05:53 PM
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the people in charge. To what end
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/20 05:53 PM
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I never chose for any of this feminism stuff. I just watched it on TV like everyone else. I never chose for no one to care about or guide me. Shame ain't it
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/20 05:35 AM
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Eh
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/20 02:46 AM
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BPD
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/20 08:38 PM
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r/limerence
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/20 08:37 PM
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A propensity for hedonism, to the point where career isn’t the priority it should be Hard driving careerism and addiction/hedonism do seem to go hand in hand for whatever reason. It would probably be shocking to folks the kinds of lives the people they rely on live.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/20 08:36 PM
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And/or not enough beauty to offer
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/20 04:36 PM
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But just as many women have tales of woe and inconvenience. Oh sure, and I say this consistently, but I don't think in current era monogamy is a wise decision for women, either.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/20 05:55 PM
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Several different women Ah yes so there WAS inconvenience. You've told the stories, after all. Eventually, there always is, and sometimes a person hasn't cut bait quickly enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/20 04:04 PM
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Ain't no feeling like pussy any questions maricona
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/20 04:02 PM
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Not even having to spend on Only Fans is a good reason. That shit is dumb as fuck. Humans have developed control for a very good reason. Apparently they haven't considering that wealthy, powerful men will risk their standing, reputation, and even their marriages (though by that time they probably don't see it as a risk) just for a whiff of new pussy. It's not like ye olden times anymore where it could all just be slept under the rug, and yet they go for it. I mean tell yourself whatever you have…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/20 06:05 AM
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Worrying about "keeping dick wet" at all is for losers. There are more important things in life. Not mutally exclusive after all. I understand that even men have the ability to control their sexual urges long-term. No good reason to
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/20 06:00 AM
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or sex Hookers?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/20 05:36 AM
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Inconvenience just to keep dick wet is for losers
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/20 05:32 AM
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Only a loser would endure even the slightest of inconvenience to get the dick wet...but sometimes convenient dickwetting isn't available. Better pay than endure inconvenience or dry spell 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/20 05:16 AM
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And it's for women to decide what to do about that fact. I'm just laying out what's very clearly in men's best interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/20 03:25 AM
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Truth is truth 🤷‍♂️feel free to not engage if you wish
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/20 03:05 AM
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not due to stigma, but due to pride or lack of intimacy to it. It would be delusional to pretend that a significant majority of men would be inherently turned off by the idea of paying someone who would otherwise not give them the time of day. Well they go and do it after marriage anyway? It's pretty clearly the stigma that's prohibitive. They forget their wives will age and rot and thus become absolutely fucking worthless burdens in almost no time when they stupidly sign up to marry.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/20 02:57 AM
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Many men would prefer a less attractive woman in a normal relationship to a more attractive/younger girl by that route. Many men end up going that route after marriage anyway. Once it's destigmatized they'll save their money and not blow it on the stupidity of marriage and just cut out the middle man and cut straight to the chase of sugaring.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/20 02:40 AM
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What you call commitment here I call slavery No one is forcing anyone to do anything. "Commitment is fucking stupid for both genders" is a perfectly plausible conclusion, though I'd argue that it's even dumber for men than it is for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/20 02:27 AM
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What's the big deal dick gets wet
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/20 05:25 PM
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1) Most men don’t make enough money to be used for their financial resources You don't need that much of financial resources to be used for them...see, e.g., r/justdependathings It's true that being mArRiAgeAbLe requires money for men, and yet most men marry so apparently there are more men than you think with enough money to be used, especially when considering: 2) The ones who do are usually old men with young hot women (making what is occurring fairly obvious) 70% of men outearn their wives. …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/20 12:29 AM
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Why are some women ok with shamelessly using men for their benefit? It is what it is 🤷‍♂️ get yours or get gotten. You're either at the table or you're on the menu.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/20 12:05 AM
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How do you come to terms with acting like an asshole even if that’s not how you would naturally act? Give the people what they want...and what you want 🤷‍♂️
/r/askTRP02/11/20 07:21 AM
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Surprisingly rare sentinment when it's the only real solution
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/20 06:05 PM
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What I'm referring to is novelty it can be as adventurous as you want but a woman can't simultaneously be another woman 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/20 05:24 PM
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Why bother? Like what is the benefit of not just fucking someone else? If you've already fucked her once, you're already well on the way to boredom anyway. Meeting a challenge is all well and good but doing so for its own sake is idiocy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/20 05:18 PM
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Ugh good thing everyone is instantly replaceable now
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/20 05:05 PM
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I know you asked but that's just how they interpret it). Even one such instance should be "interpreted" as bitch get the fuck out of my car, drive off, ghost, replace.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/20 05:04 PM
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Tactfulness perceived as deceit It's not really "tactfulness" if the mask comes off thirty seconds later lmao it's being a spoiled, worthless brat of no value to anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/20 05:03 PM
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Ymmv I reckon
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/20 04:20 AM
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For example, you might want your life to be living in a mansion with 24/7 endless group sex with supermodels of your choice; friends and family don't matter anymore Why not both?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/20 06:04 PM
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Treating people as just means to get your dick wet is pretty bad, Again, mutually consensual sex is ...mutually consensual.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/20 03:16 PM
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Why not both? But...more ethical? What's "unethical" about fucking a girl who wants to fuck you? I bet this will be a doozy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/20 06:59 AM
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2 dogs Bold move!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 11:47 PM
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Time for the rest to learn the score
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 11:00 PM
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Even if a woman never truly loves you for you who cares as long as dick is getting wet
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 10:58 PM
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Even if true dick still got wet 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 10:52 PM
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I'm sure you can guess which one I think is worth a damn :D
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 10:46 PM
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What's the big deal? Repeal and replace
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 10:45 PM
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over time. Ended up liking Well the real question then is if dominance (or whatever you want to call it, opposite of those traits listed) gets you in quicker
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 09:43 PM
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Vetting is delusional. We're all rootless strangers now, living in a culture of haphazard randomness. There's no basis other than guesswork that helps one sleep at night because at least it made sense and is better than nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 03:24 PM
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After all,it's not like there aren't successful marriages.There must be some differentiating factor between successful and unsuccessful ones. From the perspective of the individual, it is like a lottery, because it's not like you can force the other person to be what they need to be in order for the marriage to be successful. You can't force them to be that, society isn't forcing them to be that. Lottery.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 03:07 PM
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Plenty of men who thought just that, even for good reasons, end up finding out they were wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 03:05 PM
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Vetting...game... beta....it all ends the same 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 11:34 AM
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In the medium to long run women are stifled by monogamy. Some cheat, some divorce, some do both. Some, of course, do neither, but the old mechanisms to restrain these urges are gone. As a guy you're risking on losing out on sexual novelty yourself, and in light of the foregoing you're doing it for nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 02:51 AM
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but those who are married tend to be happier. Maybe that's because happy people are drawn to marriage. Wealthier, healthier, etc., since those are qualities (men in particular) have to have to begin with in order to be marriageable. if married one sacrifices novelty for comfort and stability - some are willing to forego getting new strange if that means they can grow old with their best friend 3 And some aren't, and unlike previous eras there's no way to know which adventure you've chosen until …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 01:48 AM
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Not more legal rigamarole than a divorce
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 01:40 AM
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Whoops thanks for the heads up here it is: https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/dull-days-wreck-marriage-faster-fighting-flna1C9444690
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 01:33 AM
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Why use that money on a glorified quickie with the same aging boring face when a man can instead avoid sacrificing the innate desire for sexual novelty, and still have any damn thing he wants -- friendship, companionship, intimacy, adventure, and even children?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 01:32 AM
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It means women are free to leave when they're bored, and they're predisposed to boredom once they've sucked up what they needed like black widow spiders, meaning the man's sacrifice of sexual novelty, of waking up to the same aging boring nagging face, of economic destruction, was for nothing
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 01:31 AM
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Legally it is literally exactly the same, for both support and custody, whether married, cohabiting, or one night stand.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 01:22 AM
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I don't see how you can understand the whole board as set out in your linked post and still say IMO it's worth It's like merlin in king arthur who can save everyone but himself
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 01:18 AM
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Majority of divorcees remarry (80%). Once a sucker, always a sucker 🤷‍♂️ doesn't make em right
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 01:14 AM
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Most millennial births are out of wedlock. What other thing won't they agree to apart from bearing children?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 12:57 AM
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most married parents have been to college Married parents earn more Wet grass causes rain lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 12:56 AM
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it ensures that children are provided for no matter the relationship between the parents. In what way does marriage particularly confer this benefit? Child support is available regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 12:55 AM
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Only a child would expect a sure thing. That's a pretty bad faith analysis considering that until a few decades ago it was pretty much a sure thing. Treating 40% as though it's 95%....treating a glorified quickie as though it's the same as a lifetime commitment...is something only a child would do
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 12:54 AM
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Yeah and even if it was a minority, it's not like the statistics prevent the individual father from choosing to be involved
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 12:51 AM
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Haha why
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 12:21 AM
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broke people aren't marrying much anymore.. And a lot of those other factors (broke, uneducated) are associated with being broke, meaning they probably aren't marrying as much either.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 12:14 AM
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Yes indeed...point is that the 50% divorce rate is not a comprehensive indicator of the percentage for whom the marriage was a failed proposition.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/20 11:37 PM
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Not all the ones who stay together are happy, to put it mildly.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/20 11:23 PM
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Expensive (not just what you owe but the lawyers to navigate the shit legal system!), emotionally draining, life-wrecking divorce... or even unstable, toxic marriages are not good for children, and given As for the articles above. The do paint a pretty bad picture of the possibility of keeping that spark for 20+ years. you're playing with fire, and even notwithstanding statistics you simply don't know what adventure you're signing up for until it's too late. The legal and sociocultural factors w…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/20 11:22 PM
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The 50% is a red herring, because not all the ones who stay together are necessarily happy or even in tolerable situations...which is because: Don't let the spark die. You know who this happens to? Betas. Guys that don't lift. Guys that stop flirting with their wife but expect come home from work and get a blowie. Guys that don't understand they can't negotiate attraction etc. Don't be beta. You can do a lot of things as a guy, but you can't be multiple guys at the same time: Women and divorce: …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/20 10:36 PM
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Well it's certainly on offer in modern times. Why should a guy pay for dates for a girl he hasn't fucked yet, when odds are that girl fucked at least one other guy without investment of any kind? Might as well be that guy. If you're not that guy for a given girl, discard her for one with respect to whom you are that guy 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/20 01:45 AM
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On Reddit it’s mainly because TRP are cheap bastards who want something for nothing. Want something for nothing huh...what do you call the fds women who want three months of lavish paid dates without putting out lmao. Yeah I agree no need to be cheap, but spend wisely ...if you're a guy that whose gonna pay for a woman you haven't fucked yet, pay a WHORE
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/20 01:39 AM
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The idea of having various women wanting to sleep with me is such an intoxicating thought. Seems you've answered your own question
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/20 01:18 AM
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I know trp does advice men to lift weights, but that’s usually about it when it comes to this topic. What else is there to say? It's definitely more than the mainstream equivalent of HeAlThY At AnY sIzE (though that is mostly peddled by and for women)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/20 05:23 PM
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The paradox could just as easily have been worded "people have a tendency to demand inconsistently with what they offer". It wasn't, so I did. Wanna fight about it
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/20 03:59 PM
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Oh sure people should be reasonable
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/20 03:47 AM
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Damn she sure does have a way with words...didn't really know of her outside of handmaid's tale
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/20 03:37 AM
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I mean as long as it's there guys are gonna stare. If it's not there...there's always the internet 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/20 03:36 AM
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even for women it's easy to see other women as sexual objects U right "It's both men and women doing this to women," Gervais said. "So don't blame the men here."
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/20 03:15 AM
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How is staring prohibiting her from dressing however she wants
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/20 02:56 AM
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Why? Ain't no laws against starin
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/20 02:55 AM
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I do, however, get upset when men in situations like this are seen as despicable because By the same token, maybe the people who see it as despicable are hardwired to do so But who gives a fuck ain't no laws against starin Pictures of scantily dressed women cause a region of the male brain associated with tool use to light up, a new brain-scan study reveals. Guessing they didn't use the average woman at 5'4" 170 pounds lmao fds' ugly autists in any event probably have nothing to worry about as f…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/20 02:55 AM
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Yeah that's the twist right...it's selectively egalitarian
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 11:06 PM
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The fact that the OP is directed towards one gender doesn't inherently exclude the idea that the phenomenon is common to humans irrespective of gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 07:27 PM
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Well, you didn't, so I did
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 07:19 PM
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a person cannot be a traditional and the opposite of tradtiional at the smae time. Doesn't stop women from demanding traditional courtship and egalitarian relationships all the same 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 07:14 PM
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They're chasing a unicorn dream: a woman who is submissive, deferential, inexperienced, doting like their mom (or the mom they wish they'd had) who will also do the approaching and paying, not make them be assertive or wear the pants, will fuck like a porn star and do all the work in the relationship. Like how there are women who demand traditional courtship but egalitarian relationships lol. It's not like uncommon to want the best deal for yourself. Whether you get it or not just depends on how…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 06:35 PM
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What makes dominant men attractive? I'd imagine that for both, the answer is polarity.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 06:15 PM
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Maybe you could give an example of a post/type of post/issue you had in mind in writing your OP? That just doesn't seem to represent the front-page of this sub. I can't find a single thread about discrimination of men in the workplace. Well in schools. I didn:t realize we were limiting to issues posted on ppd, but the idea that schools discriminate against men's learning styles does come up relatively often in comments, if not posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 04:44 PM
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Lots of these things affect income. If school is more geared towards women's learning styles, for example, then men are less likely to be integrated into the vocation they'd excel in, and their income (and identity, since so many men wrap up their conception of themselves in what they do for a living) suffers.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 04:39 PM
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They don't care about gender issues, most men don't. The way these issues play out have practical consequences, which men do end up caring about.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 04:26 PM
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Nice post been thinking about this for a while.... yeah, for sure, their frail little bodies mean the ones who were best at exploitatation, manipulation, and (not to be redundant) self-preservation passed on their genes, while the others rotted on the vine. r/natureismetal I think you also see that in how viscerally women advocate for even hypothetical advantages and against hypothetical disadvantages. Why do men be signing up for glorified quickies they still call marriage lmao forget about whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 02:15 AM
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Don't need to get married to have a kid anymore...majority of millennial births are out of wedlock
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 06:20 PM
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I mean to be fair half those questions are "what do I do about x girl", and the fact is, if you're hung up on one girl, you're just not doing TRP. There's all kinds of sources of information out there about CoMmUnIcAtE BeTtEr and Go To CoUnSeLiNg and other fabricated nonsense that amounts to dripping water on a gaping wound.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 01:55 AM
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as environments in which female economic dependence on a male mate is higher, thus making paternal investment more essential, both sexes will value paternity certainty and therefore object to promiscuity (as it undermines paternity certainty). Paternal investment being forced by the government is just a different way of "making paternal investment essential". The end result is the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 03:29 AM
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a core level of negative male feeling towards promiscuity that has been baked in by evolution. But the baked in instinct might be triggered primarily under circumstances in which paternal nvestment is expected? Like promiscuity PLUS environment in which paternal investment is expected equals revulsion.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 02:42 AM
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How would you legally enforce something so ambiguous lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 12:17 AM
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Ah ok fair enough, women will need the right to sue their brothers to make sure they build houses and are in charge of livestock and fishing
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 12:14 AM
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That only works if male members of her "kin" are stepping up to. The only way this would work is a very strong cultural imperative or legal consequences. Otherwise your suggestion is "fuck supporting children, let them die in the streets if their mom's family can't support them". That's how these societies like the Mosuo work. The women do all the work and the men laze about all day. Just like the American lower classes.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 12:11 AM
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A lot of culture and history is told from the perspective of the upper and upper middle class family, at the very least in the west. To be fair though blindness to the experiences of other classes isn't just (or even primarily) historical. In general people relate the most to and understand the most about people like themselves who have experiences similar to those they have had, which is in any event an understanding that is hard to replicate beyond on an intellectual level.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 11:58 PM
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A lot of men who don't want or have kids are still pretty upset about the idea of women having a bunch of sexual partners. A lot of women who have never had an abortion get upset about the possibility of abortion rights being curtailed. Point is, just because something hasn't literally happened to you yet doesn't mean you don't ponder what might, and what very well could, happen to you, or to others similarly situated. Also this would mean men were on the hook to help support and raise their sis…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 11:55 PM
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My favorite study! Want complete agnosticism by men toward female promiscuity? Get rid of child support and any other compulsory legal or sociocultural financial obligations upon men toward their children, and women raise your children with your kin the way the Mosuo and the American working class are already doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 11:34 PM
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So what makes these women different? Does it just come down to confidence? In the case of the specific example you gave it could've been partly checking a box off the checklist
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 12:00 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1ERvlxgCD8 If you are an average guy or an incel, don't level up for females because you are going to find that it is very hard to trust them when you realize how differently they treat based on superficial shit. Rank up for yourself or learn to be satisfied alone. But know this... It ain't your personality. It's your face and your wallet. Why who cares about trust wet dick feels good just don't commit
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/20 11:40 PM
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And probably pretty dangerous too...if the solution potentially maims or kills you it's not really a viable solution
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/20 11:34 PM
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Well they're trying the drug companies etc know that, for example, a weight loss pill would print money in a society where 2/3 are overweight or obese, but science has its limitations
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/20 11:26 PM
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That's pretty well crafted the only thing I can think of to avoid that scam is "ok, sure, I'll pay it directly to the abortionist"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/20 09:57 PM
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who is significantly less fit and much heavier than they are, or be incel. Or spend $30 to travel less than 500 miles to another country?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/20 09:55 PM
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Male suicide is several times higher than women’s Women attempt more often 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 02:20 PM
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Lol yeah but that's the thing, by the time she finds out what size he is...mission accomplished!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 09:55 PM
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For practical purpose, only "one-time" sex preference will be used Lol the absolute worst case scenario is just...no second time
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 09:35 PM
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A pretty woman is more likely to be retarded Superficial, maybe, but attractive people (of both genders) are more likely to be intelligent
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 03:56 PM
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He than banged an office staff member for years Was she hotter lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 03:54 PM
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Do you have any actual evidence that prettier women have better, kinder, more involved husbands While not quite the same thing, they've done studies that show that men whose wives are relatively more attractive tend to be more supportive
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 03:53 PM
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Lol yeah prostitution
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 03:49 PM
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I mean, his wife's dead, his only kid is dead, the only exploitation happening here is that he should've used it on someone hotter it's not like he can take the money with him🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 03:09 PM
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The Bored Sex - Women, more than men, tend to feel stultified by long-term exclusivity—despite having been taught that they were designed for it. Why happy people cheat (spoiler: they're all women By women. Writing in the Atlantic. So you can take your sarcasm and shove it up your you know what. Let's play "bet which woman brained lame excuse she'll come up with" Door #1: "it's not a study" Door #2: "it's only two articles" Door #3: "they have iNtErNalIzEd misogyny " Door #4: "not all women"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 05:32 AM
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Like if I even say daddy issues most people would immediately think I am talking about a woman. Not just any woman, but often (though not always) a hooker/stripper/sex worker. I guess the other combinations of parent-child issues aren't as readily discernible/identifiable despite the fact that they obviously exist? Maybe problems with that specific combination are the most psychologically damaging?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 04:58 AM
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Haha eh you know, as close as it's gonna get
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 04:56 AM
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This is really similar to the first post I made when I found this sub a few years and many throwaways ago. One thing to bear in mind is that mainstream messaging is all too eager to point out how human frailties apply to men, while pointing out that it applies to women is akin to misogyny or patriarchy or whatever nonsense. Anonymously on the internet (and not even all of the internet, but maybe the manosphere and niche spaces like this one) is about the only place where it is acceptable to poin…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 04:23 AM
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Powerful incentives to do so...lots of benefits
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 04:08 AM
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She instantly locked up and started wheedling about “don’t you want to go to an office and get away from home???” “Not really. I’d rather make money but still be a part of our kids’ lives.” “Well, yes. But your part should be more the kids know not to bother you when you get home.” And I realized that even if I did have kids, they’d be hers, not mine. I’d just be the batter dispenser, the money vendor, the thug. That was one of the reasons why I left. Because I knew MGTOW philosophy and knew tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 04:08 AM
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Boredom can happen regardless. Even happy people cheat. Any man who commits monogamously in an era like this one is an idiot. The endless sexual buffet is vastly preferable--deep down, men love continuous sexual novelty.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 04:06 AM
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Not every college athlete makes it to the pros or even survives after being drafted, but if they're smart, they're going to have some kind of alternate strategy/backup plan so they don't end up a homeless drug addict like Ryan Leaf or Robert Swift in the event things don't pan out as they'd hoped 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 04:05 AM
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In this life you're either at the table or you're on the menu
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 02:46 AM
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I'm talking about marriage lol (well I guess there are people who date more than four years without marrying, forever girlfriends, etc.) Dumping like who gives a fuck an LTR isn't a real thing it's a fiction built on air castles "oh I pinky promise I won't sleep with anyone else" lmfao no teeth to it whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 02:45 AM
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Nah you should aim for the stars just be prepared to end up alone (and apparently hungry), which is not resentment but just the simple reality of any individual, man or woman, who attempts to compete in a winner-take-all competition.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 02:44 AM
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Don't you want kids at some point?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 02:43 AM
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The belle delephines of the world. Figuring out how to make the most of our natural talents is a part of life. I mean following the strategy of outliers you can count on one hand isn't exactly a reliable one lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 01:54 AM
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Someone else is eating 470. He can dump cum in you, never call you again, and marry 470 girl. Just depends what you mean by "like" lmao he might like whoever ends up winning the competition for him, but the rest he won't even remember.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 01:53 AM
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Oh for sure hence the qualifier "if" I know it's very possible to shove through a lot of things without being discovered we are after all now all rootless strangers. Gentlemen, look at this. Look at what women are doing while you hem and haw about whether or not it's okay to tell some dumb hole "sure I'd be interested in a relationship", dump a load in her and never call her again. OF COURSE it's okay it's still legal for fuck's sake while you're at it hit that shit raw if she's down for it and …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 01:52 AM
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The woman is never going to love him, and is going to cheat/monkey branch if the opportunity presents. Precisely why if you're gonna pay as a guy, you're best served paying directly for guaranteed sex with a hotter girl
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 01:49 AM
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Lies she won't believe in anymore which must really make scrubs angry. The person who is most harmed by women "believing" such "lies" is the man, because after a few years of stability, women start craving dat new dick, and there ain't a damn thing the guy can do about it save for literally being multiple guys at the same time lmao lmao. That's nature. It's metal. Never settle gentlemen keep that dick wet and keep it moving...discard as soon as inconvenient (I mean women should do that too but y…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 01:47 AM
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It can merely imply that if a woman gives tell that she has engaged in such a strategy/background she'd simply be (politely, but quickly) discarded
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 01:44 AM
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A gold digger is looking for that ring. High reward, but also high risk of getting pumped and dumped, with potentially little to nothing tangible to show for it. Most women are ultimately disposable to a man with options, and since the man can only marry one woman, there will be fierce competition to secure the bag/ring ...most women are going to fail at the attempt.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 01:43 AM
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Only every four years when they get the urge/hunger to get rid of their current partner for dat newnew
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 01:35 AM
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Lol if you're gonna pay, might as well pay directly for the guaranteed lay, hotter girls, and the ability to pay them to leave without drama once you're finished lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 01:34 AM
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But for women? Smart women are gold diggers. And then the smartest women are whores/sugar babies By the same token for sure if a guy's gonna pay smartest thing to do is to pay directly for the guaranteed lay with a hotter girl and the ability to pay them to leave without drama once you're finished MuH whAtAbouTiSm Sure call the guys johns there happy now
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 01:33 AM
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It is what it is 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 01:30 AM
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I then entered a relationship for about 4-5 months with a very gorgeous girl who seemed to share all the same hobbies and interests as me and was infatuated with me. The sex too was off the charts. Turned out she had covert narcissistic personality disorder and it was all "love bombing" and "mirroring" and as soon as I stopped giving her what she wanted she became a creepy alien. Sounds like she was a borderline
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 11:00 PM
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I mean, that's fair I guess, but it also tends to be how it goes in real life more often than not (I'd wager. I guess since I do not date men so I cannot say for sure what actually happens)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 05:45 PM
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Well frankly if you're not even running around telling people how to behave, if you're simply not monogamously committing to women with high n, if you're giving placid polite reasons for why you won't commit--how can you possibly argue anyone is being hurt in any fashion? Surely you don't think anyone is entitled to monogamous commitment, do you?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 05:26 PM
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Lmfao if the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the law and the facts are against you, Let's not pretend that men aren't obviously more ego driven. If this is your point im done here. pound the table
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 05:24 PM
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NPD is 1% of the population. Wanna trade outliers well more women than men kill their children are women more hateful of children than men?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 05:00 PM
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If the desire is lawful, there is no purpose other than martyrdom to suppressing them. Thank you all who do so (men and I guess some women do it too) for your service in going above and beyond in keeping this sick sham society's wheels turning o7 Oh yeah how is a man preferring not to commit unless the woman is low n destructive to society again lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 04:54 PM
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Human ego, visible in both genders, manifesting in different types of preferences
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 04:52 PM
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Yeah it's irrational. Like choosing for height or strength is irrational. Fulfilling preferences feels good, even if irrational. And yet, the mainstream has no problem with women having those preferences. Criticizing those preferences of women as egotistical is misogynistic. Men having their own ego-based preferences is misogynistic. Society is a gross scam 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 04:44 PM
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No more than women are. As adduced by aforementioned preferences. The fact that mainstream messaging pumps out "women preference good men preference mIsOgYnIst" doesn't make it true. Then again any man who lets his hypocritical preferences be challenged or removed BY HYPOCRITES deserves every bit of misery and cognitive dissonance he will experience. Life is to be enjoyed by the strong, and it exploits the weak. That will never change.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 04:37 PM
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or at least recognizes it is hypocritical and isn’t proud of it is not the same as not thinking it. Yeah I tend to think being proud of one's desires, so long as lawful, is far better than being an ashamed apologist, but hey whatever floats your boat brah I'm more than happy to let the martyrs lock themselves in hYpoCrIsy JaIl
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 04:34 PM
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When you specify "a lot of things that bother men are...", it implies that the same is not true of women, being as there is more than one gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 04:29 PM
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If High n women were actually viscerally disgusting men wouldn't want anything to do with them, they wouldn't be able to get it up for something that actually disgusts them. There's nothing to lose if you just dump a load and move on, whereas in a society that expects paternal investment, finding committing to promiscuous women to be gross is an instinctive reaction that helps avoid one of the worst possible things that can ever happen to a man: having to invest in some other man's child Like OP…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 04:28 PM
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Alot of things that bother men are subconsciously tied with their ego. Yeah women preferring taller men, stronger men, wealthier men, none of this is everrrrrrrrrrrrrr about ego /FUCKING SARCASM
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 04:25 PM
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Now, I know all men don’t think this Maybe asexuals don't. Suppressing your thoughts or instincts is not the same as not thinking or feeling them altogether.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 04:23 PM
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No images when monogamously committing to them. Or as some others put it easier to feel like you "own dat pussy". "Irrational" lmao lots of things are irrational men don't need to be tall and strong any more to be protective in our safe western democracies and yet women are attracted to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 04:09 PM
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She right 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 04:07 PM
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The premise was the shaming of the preference being discrimination. Even if we take your new goalpost, men are shamed for their weight preferences in women. In fact men are shamed for having any preference whatsoever in women. It's all mUh MisOgynY and MuH oBjECtifIcAtIoN. Nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 01:34 PM
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How do you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 05:36 AM
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I'm not here to argue that it's impossible to game the system by lying about. Well it seems to me that a pretty fundemantal bedrock of whether or not LTR = sexual exclusivity is, you know, whether LTR = sexual exclusivity.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 05:15 AM
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It's called sexual exclusivity. Normal, hygienic people are put off by the prospect of having sex with someone who is sharing bodily fluids with other people as well. Lol ok you tell someone "sure we're sexually exclusive". What are the downsides for lying? Can you name even one? Marriage is marriage. You can't just call some fake nonsense "exclusivity" when it doesn't have any teeth. I mean even marriage is basically a glorified quickie now but at least there's fuckin something, some kind of co…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 04:09 AM
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Is it purge?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 03:07 AM
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Congress, especially a Republican majority Senate, would NEVER pass a ban. EVER. That single issue is their base for evangelicals, some Catholics and other poor and working class people who vote Republican. So you're betting that they can just keep stringing them along for eternity, won't be primaried by more conservative politicos after the primal thrill of a Roe overturn, will just keep promising and never delivering without being replaced? We shall see Remind me! October 11, 2022
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 01:40 AM
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A federal ban would be completely contrary to the legal principles Amy Coney Barrett proclaims she espouses and follows. Overturning Wade is all the supreme court could do, and that would align just fine with her statements....she said she can't do it as an appellate justice The federal ban would not be carried out by the supreme court. It would be passed by congress and signed by the president like any other legislation. Suicide for the Republican party? Lmao the liberal bubble is so precious n…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 01:30 AM
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If you're gonna pay, might as well stuff the money in an envelope and stick it on the dresser because the girl is hotter and the sex is guaranteed
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 12:42 AM
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Thank you for the material that's exactly what women who complain about Real G Amy Coney Barrett banning abortion should be told "You could have gotten your tubes tied"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 12:38 AM
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If you're gonna pay, might as well stuff the money in an envelope and stick it on the dresser because the girl is hotter and the sex is guaranteed 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 12:35 AM
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Yeah inhibition can definitely be a difficult thing to overcome. Not sure where you are on the physical fitness journey but optimizing that can also be quite helpful in some cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 11:44 PM
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Hahah that's definitely a possibility
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 10:52 PM
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Whatever you say, bud 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 10:45 PM
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If this is true, is it possible for an introvert to become an extrovert? Have you tried drinking
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 10:45 PM
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Sure some women have very dependent and fickle love, they require material goods like money to feel "love." Men whine about this constantly. But they themselves, they require either sex or a concept of self extension, control, or relation to another man to even perceive us as human. Ain't nothin free in this life
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 10:37 PM
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Civilians
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 10:35 PM
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So instead they call them "prostitutes" YET those same men are not called "Jons" for soliciting sex from women they haven't even met or put any effort into pursing! Why not both!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 10:33 PM
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Oh you should stick around they're about do purge week it's this thing where everyone is super polite and respectful and has to use only high minded, rational argument
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 10:31 PM
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Umm yeah other people can go martyr themselves I don't give a flying fuck if that is what fulfills them more power to them ... the culture won I'm gonna get mine
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 10:28 PM
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You don't think men should be able to have a low n-count preference?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 10:28 PM
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Huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 09:51 PM
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LaSt wOrD
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 09:43 PM
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Low- n-count-preference shaming is a form of discrimination!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 09:40 PM
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are ignorant about the state of their own life or relationships, and of the financial vurdens being put on them. You underestimate the power of thirst/pussy blindness. Now you might say "oh who cares not my problem they should be able to control themselves etc.", but is and ought are two different things. Point is, the problem isn't necessarily ignorance but rather powerful incentives.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 09:35 PM
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🤣 Thank g*d I'm a thin If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the law and the facts are against you, pound the table
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 09:30 PM
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Yeah like if they're gonna keep claiming to be they should be called out on it you know? Not that I expect it to be it's feminism I'm fine with it being woman centric it's right there in the name but the fake gaslighting pretending to want equality is downright shameful
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 09:29 PM
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What I’m disdaining is the idea that sexual interaction with a man is so profoundly transformative. You're free to think what you want, just as men are free to make decisions based on their preferences and accord whatever profundity is in line with those preferences, just as women are free to think height is sufficiently profound or wealth is sufficiently profound or (insert preference) is sufficiently profound to make choices based on ... freedom is for all as long as it is used lawfully not ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 09:27 PM
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You are free to block, free to not read, but you cannot and will not silence me. By posting on a public forum you've opened yourself up to response. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 09:26 PM
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Yeah I know but you're creating a strawman, someone expressing their preference not to date them is no more implying they should commit sati than a woman saying she prefers taller men or wealthier men or whatever goddamn preference is implying that someone not in possession of those characteristics should set themselves on fire (though on twitter you're likely to find such sentiments explicitly stated by women, funny enough they never do seem to count as hAtE sPeEch/get taken down, but hey, eQuA…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 09:20 PM
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It's pretty optimistic to presume that porn would only, exclusively impact men
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 09:11 PM
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Well you didn't post your answer in your journal or your therapist's office you posted it on a medium entitled "purple pill debate" thereby opening yourself to response 🤷‍♂️ I don't need to hear you bullshit Is someone holding you hostage and forcing you to read it? Respond to it?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 09:09 PM
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Whereas literally zero of women's issues are permitted to be discussed anywhere in mainstream messaging. It's all "muH miSogynY" and "mUh PatRiArChy".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 09:08 PM
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Ok, one issue, but many more are discussed. Because it's not perfectly encapsulating of every issue, it's non-existent?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 09:03 PM
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What's so magical about a long term relationship? It's air promises "oh hey we're 'together now'" lmfao it's funny how some folks think an ltr is some kind of profound pseudomarriage
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 09:01 PM
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Most men have issues of their own as well, which aren't talked about enough tbh Men's "issues of their own" are discussed literally every second of every day in mainstream messaging
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 08:59 PM
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Let’s be honest for a second. The majority of modern liberal feminism is more about progressive trans rights / pedophilia as a 'mental illness’ instead of a crime then it is about women. It's about many more things in addition to that which you've also identified as being harmful to women (casual sex, porn, prostitution, etc.), so the question then becomes which women do you believe are pulling the strings of indoctrinating women in ways that are contrary to their best interests?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 08:53 PM
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What because some people choose not to date them lmfao? Your words not mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 08:45 PM
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Sounds like arya in game of thrones
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 08:41 PM
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So tell me PPD, what is a slut to you? N-count? When it comes to monogamous commitment, n>0. If I'm not monogamously committing who gives a fuck ♾ is fine for all I care. And do you find that promiscuous women you know also have a lot of negative personality traits that non sluts you know do not? Nah
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 08:39 PM
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So both the women being indoctrinated, and the women doing the indoctrinating, are....indoctrinated?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 08:37 PM
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Why are women doing such manipulation if it does not benefit women is what I meant to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 07:37 PM
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Well in current year she's certainly fucked someone without being paid for, so might as well be that guy, and if you're not that guy for a given girl, find another one for whom you are that guy. If you're gonna pay for someone you haven't fucked yet you might as well just stuff the money in an envelope and put the money on a dresser in exchange for guaranteed sex with a hotter girl to fill the dry spells.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 07:36 PM
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It is meant to evoke the feelings that such a situation instills in the person who experiences it. Just because something isn't the worst thing doesn't mean it can't be a very bad thing. And in light of the substantial expansion in what constitutes "rape" advocated for by the liberal feminists you so hate, it's unsurprising that there would be such analogizing on the other side of the ledger.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 07:32 PM
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PPD men seem terrified of gold diggers despite the fact they literally have no gold. Well if you're in the position of being able to decide between marrying and not marrying, you would need to be marriageable, which would mean you'd need to have sufficient money, since insufficient money = unmarriageable. "Gold"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 07:30 PM
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Why are manipulating women for objectives that do not benefit them in any way whatsoever
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 07:29 PM
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"...with some women"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 07:28 PM
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have a bunch of pressure to commit Or just knock up some rando, and, you know, don't commit Why do you think unattractive women are more capable of love? Well it's more like the disparity in attraction, I think less attractive partners tend to be more likely to love a more attractive partner, all else being in equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 07:26 PM
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women who don’t want kids are much more likely to commit to someone because they actually love them Women who are less attractive are probably also more likely to actually love them, or women with some kind of pervasive flaw, but it's like when men tell women "if you lowered your standards you wouldn't have trouble finding what you want". Someone who wants kids if you also do, or someone who is sufficiently attractive, are baseline assumptions that have to be met to make being with someone even …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 07:17 PM
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False dichotomy. It is possible to want kids while also not wanting to subsidize a woman's lifestyle beyond the component necessary for the kid.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 07:10 PM
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Lol I mean if you're gonna have a kid money's going to come out either way, at least this way you're also not paying whatever extra that is required in the context of a committed partner. Child support is a formula. Of course if you have shared custody and make similar money to the mother, then there isn't even any child support, though that's not really an outcome to bet on.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 07:04 PM
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You can have a kid with someone without committing, can't forget that option
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 07:00 PM
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"it's not me, it's you!"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 06:58 PM
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with no significance to the show - we don't know if she's promiscuous or know anything about her sexual history We know she is fucking a goddamn stranger. That is promiscuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 05:18 PM
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Lol you're missing the third option, that I disagree with it because it is ridiculous. You think fucking only one random stranger is insufficiently promiscuous or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 05:11 PM
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If he's fucking a random woman, she's fucking a random man. What are you some kind of misogynist?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 05:02 PM
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environmentally damaging. The places and peoples who are having the most children will continue doing so anyway, as will the lower classes in the western world, and their children and their children, meaning that the "sacrifice" you and people like you make is not even a drop in the bucket, it is for NOTHING. Then again at least some of them must already realize that maybe it's a sour grapes thing of "I can't find someone suitable to impregnate me so I will pretend my barrenness is a conscious c…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 04:56 PM
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Can you explain how men can get all these without monogamous commitment? Many men seem to strive for monogamous committed relationship, so why do you think this is? I'd be happy if women completely separated from men but currently it seems many men want to marry women. If there is low supply of male commitment, there would be hardly any marriage, yet many people get married, so I think not only is there high demand from women but high supply by men. There is less marriage then there used to be. …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 04:50 PM
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I honestly think that if female promiscuity were promoted in media/culture to the same extent as male promiscuity When they're promoting male promiscuity, is the guy fucking a goddamn oven or a woman? Since if it's the latter, THEY'RE BOTH BEING SHOWN AS PROMISCUOUS. Wtf will make you people happy? Be specific.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 04:47 PM
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(Thank g*d I'm a thin, independent 22 year old<3) Butterface
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 04:44 PM
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In my opinion, women should not have children at all. I am sterilised to ensure there is no chance of having children. The reason why is because, as I mentioned before, having children means you need to dedicate time and resources to it. But you do realize that your opinion is likely not shared by most neurotypical women, for whom having children is high on the list of priorities, right? It seems then that your proposed course of action ought take that fact into account. It's a bad deal for men …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 05:16 AM
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Commitment definitely holds men back. A man should never monogamously commit in modern times. However, this can be problematic for women especially when they have children. Because of ingrained gender roles in society, men do not want to look after children because it is deemed feminine and so the job usually falls on the woman. When a woman looks after a child, she cannot work, which means she cannot get money (and therefore power) from an employer for herself, which means she is dependent on t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 04:50 AM
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Ignoring them guarantees a dysfunctional marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 04:24 AM
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Yeah I guess if there are no observable tells...it's not like they're branded with scarlet letters
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 04:23 AM
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Women do not slut shame each other There's this book called paying for the party where the author spent a year on an all girls dorm floor at a large Midwest university. She observed that working class and upper class women both engaged in promiscuous behavior, but the upper class women would slut shame the working class women all the same. Maybe there was a certain logic to it, though, as the upper class girls who got into the party scene etc ended up being able to leverage their connections to …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 03:48 AM
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And how could that be accomplished?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 03:29 AM
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guys literally only want one thing Darn tootin, and proud of it
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 03:23 AM
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You said It only seems encouraging to the very prudish ways of the past. So what would need to change for you to seem it sufficiently encouraging?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 03:19 AM
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And if you can’t pursue your desires that in a way that is beneficial/doesn’t conflict with your responsibility to your kids, you should divorce. But in saying that marriage is for kids, i.e., bigger than your grubby sexual/relationship desires you're failing to acknowledge that those "grubby" desires are fundamental to a strong marriage, which is needed for it to be useful to creating a better environment for children in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 03:19 AM
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"more sex good", not just in america, but anywhere that american cultural messaging has touched, to one extent or the other. That's what is framed as aspirational Taking this example for illustration purposes, there is nothing "shadowy" about it as it is done completely observably and out in the open. What you seem to be venturing into is what I believe is the explanation for why it's happening. Fuck if I know lol I'm just some dude, but it is pretty clear that it is happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 03:14 AM
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Part of modeling good relationships is having a good relationship, which of course means that grubby sexual/relationship desires are highly important for BOTH men and women in achieving the objective of "a good relationship". Do you see now?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 03:09 AM
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Oh ok, so what would be different then?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 03:08 AM
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Global Homogenization
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 03:07 AM
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Just imagine it's a woman saying "I want an economically stable man who will be a loving partner and good father to my children." Just because it's a thing that men want doesn't make it any less selfish or more "gross" than what a woman wants. Ain't nothing free in this life.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 03:04 AM
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Ok, but it absolutely exists. We live in a culture that encourages promiscuity.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 03:00 AM
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"more sex good", not just in america, but anywhere that american cultural messaging has touched, to one extent or the other. That's what is framed as aspirational. Leaving aside the study on OP, a culture requiring paternal investment is in significant contradiction with a culture of promiscuity. That is why nonmonogamous matriarchies end up with the kids being raised by the mother's kin and men just kind of laze about... which is precisely what is already happening among much of the american wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 02:58 AM
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Who do you think is making this culture you don't like? Elites. Ordinary men and women don't "make" culture so much as they take it in and do the best they can to achieve their wants and needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 02:52 AM
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In short it's "more sex good". I certainly would never marry or monogamously commit in such an environment as we have now but I do love me some sexual novelty so it is what it is I reckon.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 02:50 AM
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You are the one who invoked the idea of a gun pointed at a dudes head in order to Make Him be okay with promiscuity. There you go, I knew you'd figure out what I actually said. Capitalism sells sex. It wrecks people’s honest exportation and investigation of their own desires. It does not wreck. It leverages it. If it weren't already an environment that encouraged promiscuity, it wouldn't be effective.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 02:43 AM
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I know right these people are insufferable
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 02:34 AM
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Awwwwyeee
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 02:34 AM
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making him be with a slut? Now you're just putting words in my mouth, which is a pretty impressive thing to attempt when what I actually said is still posted right up there lmao People being free to explore their sexual expression without shame, is encouraging promiscuity? Yeah, it is, inherently, because promiscuity is one subset of sexual expression. You're so overwrought with emotion that you're not making any sense and fighting with a straw man
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 02:33 AM
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Societal messaging has now become one big ol gaslighting party.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 02:24 AM
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Being promiscuous was a major issue until birth control. And now it isn't Capitalism sells us stuff by the most emotional and vital ways they can. Sex is right at the heart of deep emotional feelings, so of course they use it. And now it's acceptable to encourage it. What more would need to be done short of holding men at gunpoint and forcing them to recite "I love promiscuity"? Like this culture that you visualize that "encourages promiscuity", what's it doing differently than this one?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 02:23 AM
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That is capitalism selling sex back at people. Do you think it would've worked in 1935? No? Why does it work now? Because being promiscuous is still gross? capitalism tells people that the thing that they want, which is sex, can be had if only they have these products. Capitalism is not a vacuum. They don't just go "oh hey I bet this will work on those darn kids." They spend billions on countless hours of exhaustive research to understand what will reach their consumer. Capitalism is a mirror. C…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 02:16 AM
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in no way Yeah only music, tv, movies, billions of dollars in advertising and activism and wasted hours discussing how to make dumb holes more comfortable getting filled that could be spent on real problems dragging down this country like the mothafuckin titanic.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 02:09 AM
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That our culture telling women what they should be. "Our culture" tells women that being promiscuous is a good thing plenty. What you're seeing if anything is that no amount of globohomo brainwashing can change reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 02:02 AM
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plaintiff avers Doesn't mean it's true. If you look it up, the case was actually about whether she even had a viable cause of action. The court said she did, but then it went to trial and she actually was not able to prove that she should recover...but that of course doesn't mean others can't and haven't. a. There was no such law before that case upon which a man could have strategized to avoid the potential of that outcome and the ensuing litigation, which of course itself costs lots of money A…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 01:40 AM
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I don't blame you. Everyone should support that which is in their interest. Men, too, are starting to do so across the world, first world, third world, and everything in between.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 01:27 AM
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every single one of them requires some deliberate action (like filing taxes jointly, referring to each other as husband and wife or checking married on forms) in addition to living together. Well actually Can I ask for Palimony in my State? The term “palimony” was made famous in the California case of Marvin v. Marvin, 18 Cal.3d 660 (1976). The Marvin case involved actor Lee Marvin, who had been living with Michele Triola for a number of years. Triola claimed that Marvin had agreed to support he…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 01:23 AM
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In a few states
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 01:16 AM
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All women, eventually
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 12:57 AM
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That’s it; let the hate flow through you.... It’s for kids, i.e., bigger than your grubby sexual/relationship desires No u. So you got an answer? Why don't you have the same thing to say about the divorcers? Your observation applies literally word for word. In case you've already forgotten what you said, it was It’s for kids, i.e., bigger than your grubby sexual/relationship desires
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 12:51 AM
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Who gives a shit about branding 🤷‍♂️ if you want nonstop casual fucks for free go get em, if you want bangmaid mommy wife go get it, if you want an endless string of sugar babies, do it. And if any person or situation isn't giving you what you want, discard immediately, because there are now literally limitless options no individual man could possibly fuck his way through in even multiple lifetimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 11:05 PM
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Women are slammed by men for stating that they prefer tall guys. Not in the mainstream maybe on like dark manosphere corners on the internet lmao I agree that men don't write "I prefer thin women" in their dating profiles. That said, men being open about their preferences is also a "thing that happens". No guy is getting shamed when he's talking about thick thighs, thin waists, etc. It's just so normalized these days IMO. Conversely, I can instantly find 27483186 mainstream articles criticizing …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 11:01 PM
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30 million in assets
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 10:54 PM
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It is a thing that happens, and goes unquestioned by the mainstream consensus. What did appear in the comments is the implication I quoted, that men are permitted to express their preferences and women are not, when in the mainstream the opposite is true. You know gAsLigHtIng well that's actually an example 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 10:40 PM
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Mainstream society is a-ok with "you must be this tall" on a woman's dating profile, but contrary to the top comment's assertion that But every man is allowed to have a preferred tit and ass size. Go figure a man putting such a preference on a dating profile or on twitter or on any of the other spaces women freely express their height preference would be taken down as some kind of hate speech or MuH MisOGiNy Expressing such viewpoints, I have no problem with it for either gender doing so, but th…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 10:18 PM
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What intrigues me most is there are many varying opinions on what the purpose of marriage is, and a tendency to see it the context of benefits and “what’s it for me.” Plus a stunning ignorance of the history of marriage. Well I've been trying to find the right way to put this for a while (I usually go with "the social and legal mechanisms that once existed to make marriage a lifelong commitment no longer exist" ...so to your point, why wouldn't you look more closely into what's in it for you if …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 10:11 PM
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The thing is, when a man is dating a younger woman, its pretty easy for the woman to prove that she's not a golddigger. If you dont have to spend an excessive amount of money on her or better yet you dont have to spend any more money on her than you would an older woman, then she's not a golddigger. Well I guess the same could apply to the older woman? Anyway just go for the hottest girls you can for the least investment you can, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 10:08 PM
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Well if you're in the position of being able to decide between marrying and not marrying, you would need to be marriageable, which would mean you'd need to have sufficient money, since insufficient money = unmarriageable. "Gold"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 10:03 PM
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Yup there aren't any to that either
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 08:09 PM
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Also good advice for men....what exactly is the benefit of cohabiting when you're just hastening the process of growing bored lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 07:25 PM
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And they also care about female chastity, even more so in the case of sharia countries at least (don't know enough about the other ones to say for sure but I'd assume they also have violent "honor"-based paradigms)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 05:30 PM
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I think it’s stupid too, although probably a genetic predisposition just like the male libido Fair enough But monogamy never would have come about if most men were opposed to it. It’s the way to get a stable life and not have to constantly look over your shoulder for spears and clubs Male desire for monogamy, caring about female chastity, etc. happen in cultures where men are expected to paternally invest, because what idiot would want to invest in someone else's kid? In cultures where men are n…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 04:55 PM
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That’s what monogamy is and why they would go through the trouble. It’s for male benefit, not female Then why is it so often women demanding, inciting, sometimes downright begging for commitment or marriage? MuH iNtErNalIzEd OpPrESsIoN? Well face it beings so psychically fragile are neither capable nor deserving of freedom back in the kitchen with you lot. Or some other reason?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 04:26 PM
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I'm not following where you're going with this
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 05:20 AM
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It's more like ownership. Like how can you feel like you own dat pussy when not only has someone else had it, but had it different ways than you?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 05:19 AM
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That's such a dumb hypothetical though lmao men make laws and go to all this trouble as you yourself noted to protect and pleasure themselves inside their women-property not destroy it!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 05:17 AM
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Oh sure right on. Men rule all, and there ain't a damn thing you can do about it how's it feel to be so powerless and futile?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 05:13 AM
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So why did men make laws against these things again (the ones that are illegal)?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 05:11 AM
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Women are the ones bringing it up, not men 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 05:10 AM
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This gives me some strong Madonna/whore complex vibes. So? Ain't no laws against it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 04:51 AM
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Everyone is better off with me behaving the way I behave right now, I would either be working to be a sugar baby or a nun I guess that's a matter of perspective
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 03:22 AM
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I think that it is more humane to give a person an opportunity to make it up to you than to cut them off without warning or to lie about why you are leaving when it is because you feel sexually neglected Yeah there were like several things going on in there... Lying about reason for leaving is just politeness though.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 03:20 AM
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who STILL believe in treating people humanely. Politely telling someone you no longer want to see them isn't inhumane 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 03:08 AM
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I was raised by two parents who were together until death. My husband's parents have been together for.30-something years. I know what permanent means, thank you. You, on the other hand, don't want to know how I would behave with men if I saw them as temporary. That is not a pretty thought. Everyone is better off with me behaving the way I behave right now, in my lifelong marriage. And what all four of those folks have in common is that they did not grow up in the culture that is now prevalent. …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 03:07 AM
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More like: if you're deluded into seeing what is a temporary illusion and treating it as a non temporary one, you're out of luck 😎
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 02:50 AM
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Maybe, but why even bother with all that
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 02:30 AM
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That may be but honey badger evolution don't care ...there's a distinct possibility that the soft cushy civilizational social hierarchy is almost the inverse of the evolutionary one, as demonstrated by, e.g., the alleged "bottom" outbreeding the top.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 09:02 PM
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Love, like the chemical feeling, lasts four years--enough time to raise a vulnerable infant out of infancy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 07:45 PM
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NOFORN no fornication?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 06:53 PM
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love is less fickle imho Less fickle, sure, but there's still an expiration date, even if measured in a few years rather than a few months
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 06:50 PM
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Love, like the chemical feeling, lasts four years--enough time to raise a vulnerable infant out of infancy. So, you know, wouldn't gamble on just that 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 06:49 PM
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The state is also made up of humans. Technology/tools are made by humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 06:47 PM
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reverse evolution Maybe that's who is evolutionarily fit in the long run...might not mesh with socioeconomic hierarchy
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 05:43 PM
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This difference explains many features of human mating behavior and may pose a barrier for male engagement in low-consumption lifestyles. They ripped this off Dave Chappelle If a man could fuck a woman in a cardboard box, he wouldn't buy a house
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 03:30 PM
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TRP guys only reinforce that by their talk of manipulation and lying to secure a relationship TRP eschews monogamous commitment, much less lying or manipulating to secure it lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 02:50 PM
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In your country, would saying "you can't do better than me" trigger the relief you've described ?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 08:01 AM
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How are they being protected? In what way can someone who will not leave a partner who is lawfully manipulating them be protected by anyone else?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 07:45 AM
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That's not really true in the modern world, we have babies who would have probably been left to die on cliffs in incubators, living healthy and happy lives. We have people who would have died from cancer, who are cured, people rescued from burning houses, etc. Yeah like keeping people alive. But we also let people be exploited by powerful corporations, drug companies, hospitals, loan sharks (home loans, student loans, vehicle loans, just the unimportant and cheap stuff amirite), and payday schem…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 07:39 AM
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abundance Yes, TRP promotes this dream where you can be James Bond, but unfortunately it really isn't 20% but 1% rockstar status. Your perspectives do not seem congruent. What is it that you're leaving unstated?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 07:35 AM
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Not really. There are laws to protect people from violence etc., and beyond that, I mean, that's fuckin life kiddo...the strong survive, and the weak perish. You are either at the table, or you're on the menu. There's only one solution, and that is to be strong. This type of misery can't be legislated or pleaded away. Where does simply saying "aww poor thing she was manipulated" get anyone? What does it solve? It's not going to stop anyone from manipulating.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 07:12 AM
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Lovebombing can also be a part of the process. The person is essentially trying to manufacture the threat of the person being 'forever alone', and loneliness or the threat of loneliness is an extreme motivator in humans, either positive or negatively so. If you say something enough times, especially if the person has lower self esteem, they will start to believe it. Even more so if this person is the closest to them, or around them the most. So, you could have someone who could easily be in a be…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 07:07 AM
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Reddit TRP does not recommend trying to vet nor do they have any useful advice to do so. In current year vetting is a fool's errand. It's delusional, egotistic hubris (not you specifically but in general) to believe that rootless strangers can use heuristics to unmask their fellow rootless strangers before it's too late. The best thing, the only thing, that can be done is to stick around for exactly as long as one's needs and wants are being conveniently met, and not a moment longer--be ready to…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 06:59 AM
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I used to think FDS was just ugly autists, but maybe it's just broke townie ugly autists--surrounded by other broke townies--who think they're too big for their britches.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 06:56 AM
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Why won't you let me demonstrate my value
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 06:52 AM
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What can a man say to a woman that isn't a threat that will "make" her stay? Your example was "telling her she can't do better". Well, if she can do better, along the dimensions that are relevant to her, then what resonance would his statement have? If she cannot do better, well, that's not a good reason to suffer mistreatment now is it. Better off being with no one.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 06:49 AM
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Vetting is a fool's errand in this sociocultural environment we are all rootless strangers and anyone can put on whatever mask they want...the best thing either gender can do for themselves is stick around for so long as their needs and wants are being conveniently met, and not a moment longer--be ready to ditch as soon as there are any issues. You see, that's the silver lining of mass living among rootless strangers: everyone is replaceable. May as well avail of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 06:46 AM
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Women are fussier and pickier now because finding a decent men who isn’t a liar or a manipulator is damn hard. Some are, while others will fuck you within minutes (and everything in between). As a guy all you gotta do is keep it moving on to the next one when a girl is too inconvenient. Everyone is replaceable.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 06:43 AM
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did i say, 'mEn tOo'. No, I don't remember using that capitalisation. You did not...the font indicates derision. As though treating adults like children is any better because you throw men into the mix. This entire thread I have been talking about abusive relationships, which manipulation is a part of. So I think you're arguing against a strawman considering not once did I mention a lack of abuse. If there's no violence or threat of violence, there's no excuse to remain, and clearly by manipulat…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 06:35 AM
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Why are you quoting things I didn't say Read your comment you literally said In fact, this goes for men too. If someone asks someone to drink kool aid, do they deserve the poison because they were gullible enough to drink it? Violence, poisoning, this literal sort of thing I have already conceded does not put someone in a position to act on their own behalf. I feel like you're assuming people in these relationships have more awareness of their situation than they actually do. Stop being toxic. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 06:28 AM
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TRP is about casual sex what's there to vet you dump your load so long as convenient and when not convenient you next...the focus is rightly on maximizing one's options and ability to do so
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 06:21 AM
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Both true. The fact that men and women end up with other types of people isn't because of not wanting those things but because most people are mediocre and thus placidly settle for mediocrity
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 06:20 AM
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Ohh look I can downvote too Cunt If you can't be arsed to save yourself for your own well being... and you aren't being held at gunpoint...then you're getting exactly what you deserve MEn ToO man or woman, and no doubt they know it too or they'd no longer be there
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 06:15 AM
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All emotional nonsense is that all women are capable of? Maybe you'd like to take an actual shot Me saying x is not as bad as y is just as bad as her saying y is not as bad as x if both are comparably bad, which you asserted they are. Now explain how that is not hypocrisy without resorting to the usual bag of underhanded woman tricks god it's like women forget that when on the internet they don't have the filthy gash between their legs that absolves them of accountability available to utilize
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 06:12 AM
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False dichotomy. It is possible to assrert both "someone ought not do that" and "someone is responsible for making decisions that are in their own best interest". Those aren't inconsistent positions. That's a very machiavellian view of things. Might does not make right "Right" is pretty irrelevant. If you're unhappy, you should leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 05:54 AM
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What's there to "excuse" if she's tolerating it and still there. Caveat emptor. People are either adults or helpless children. Pick one 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 05:33 AM
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Could it be that what you call "manipulation" is just the fact of his attractiveness, her knowing he's attractive, him knowing she knows, and that making him feel as though he can do as he pleases? (Gender can be reversed of course)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 04:51 AM
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I dont cry and whine how unfair things are, life is unfair. I wear big girl pants. And yet a lot of adults do whine, men and women, despite the fact that other people have worse problems you do see the irony in whining about whining don't you 🤷‍♂️ Like I always say, if a partner isn't satisfying you, the solution isn't to beg, bug, or nag....it's to leave
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 02:31 AM
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Don’t act like a child by pointing figures at others when I am clearly responding to you, no one else. I won't abide by dirty hypocrisy. Downplaying is downplaying, even if the downplayer is using pretty feminine words 🤷‍♂️ dirty ass gross nasty hypocrite I can smell the stink of your hypocrisy from across the screen Men everywhere are smelling the stink of women's dirty putrid hypocrisy and are expressing their distaste for it at the ballot box coming soon to a theatre near you enjoy!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 01:22 AM
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Of course it's relevant. Me saying x is not as bad as y is just as bad as her saying y is not as bad as x if both are comparably bad, which you asserted they are. You've now made your being a dirty hypocrite into the subject unless you also lecture her.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 01:10 AM
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So why aren't you lecturing her for claiming it's not on the same level huh??
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 12:43 AM
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comparable Sounds like you're saying THEY'RE ON THE SAME FUCKING LEVEL While if you bothered to read the comment I directly quoted you would've seen that she said It's not on the same level looks like I Gotcha Too
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 12:23 AM
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It's not on the same level as sex tourism is what's unhinged, oppressor. EdUcAtE yOuRsElf isn't that what you people like to spout
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 12:07 AM
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men's problems That's rich it's funny how the same women who have this perspective unironically see nothing wrong with gorging themselves on fast casual fashion made by literal bangladeshi slaves
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 11:56 PM
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Your body doesn't seem to match your title? Oh you meant paying for sex. Yeah sure just do both. Casual sex, fill the dry spells with paying, never commit
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 11:51 PM
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Yeah no one should martyr themselves for some other person's baggage
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 11:01 PM
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Lol you know you don't even care enough to set a level of whining come on now
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 10:52 PM
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Lol it's not a competition whoever is unhappy, when their threshold is reached it's on them to leave. If the nagging or the bargaining exceeds tolerable levels, well, time to leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 10:38 PM
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Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 10:37 PM
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It doesn't matter who she slept with if the guy isn't monomagously committing and isn't investing
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 10:36 PM
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Would you? Well, not doing so is certainly not a gendered thing. In any event, settling is dumb, as it subjects both settler and settlee to misery. Whining is dumb, too, but also harmless.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 10:35 PM
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How is he supposed to know she was sleeping with other men? AND believe she would be honest about it? Nobody’s a fucking mind reader. Oh sure you're right. Thus a man shouldn't pay one red cent for a woman till he's gotten his dick wet (not should a man ever commit monogamously). Then what's the difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 09:57 PM
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No one (neither men nor women) is going to stop whining you know that
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 09:56 PM
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The ones worth a damn can 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 09:56 PM
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browbeat her into things she doesn’t want to do Which presumably would make her unhappy? In which case she should cut and run? Meta- unhappiness isn't some less salient form of unhappiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 09:54 PM
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it’s in fact all we are good for Finally someone acknowledging reality
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 08:44 PM
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these poor women There's no victim no one is holding anyone hostage in a relationship (unless they are, violence etc., which is reprehensible but a different story) All these "poor women" have to do if they're not happy in any way is, you know, dump the guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 08:42 PM
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That guy has every right to be upset, Eh what's the point of being upset just move on....also why is he paying for anything at all for someone he hasn't gotten his dick wet inside of yet? That's on him.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 08:41 PM
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Discard isnt how i would describe leaving someone but i agree. I mean, it is what it is 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 08:40 PM
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One's preferences don't need to be justifiable, however. They just need to be lawful, nothing more. If someone isn't getting what they want from a partner, there's some other person who will give them what they want. Everyone is replaceable.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 08:40 PM
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would you still feel that you were somehow injusticed by her refusal to perform that act again? This whole injusticed, pressuring, bargaining, negotiating thing is pretty ridiculous....if someone isn't getting what they want, the answer is simple: discard immediately and find someone else
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 08:02 PM
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The effort has to be in a different manner, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 06:33 PM
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Back when marriage was permanent, I would've viewed it as potentially something worth sacrificing my desire for sexual novelty for, but now that marriage is a glorified quickie (with the same bill at the end, and far less to offer a man than it once did) I don't see any reason to
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 02:59 AM
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Both sides: don't give any more than you're willing to give, and don't accept any less than you're willing to accept. There's always someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 01:15 AM
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It need not be misery if one honestly reckons with the reality and maximizes their outcome, which of course requires honestly reckoning with what one's own desires actually are in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 01:09 AM
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How is that virtue signaling? If anything it's the opposite. Rationalization? What, people don't have the right to pursue their desires? Isn't that the end game you people fought so hard for with your feminism etc? What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Enjoy!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 01:04 AM
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In theory yes, but even the hardcore feminist types I personally know treat their partner well. Many of them seem to even become a sort of house wive. This is especially true for shelterd ones who picked up feminism as a Accessoire. But you're gambling on which one you're getting. Even ones who seem that way, well, the culture is everywhere and all it takes is a rough patch for cultural messaging to win (and often not even that). Things can be "good" at certain timepoints in a relationship but t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 09:38 PM
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So what? Everyone has the right to seek what fulfills them, whatever that may be, to the fullest extent of the law.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 09:29 PM
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Do you agree that men won't get anything back beyond sex? Why or why not? Today's woman treats any non-sexual contribution whatsoever as "unpaid labor" (and would probably describe sex as unpaid labor as well if they weren't so finnicky to avoid being characterized as prostitutes). Who needs any of that shit? Not to mention You complain about a high divorce rate? Congrats you found one reason for it. You are not valuing your partner, you are just valuing her body. Unpacking this, apparently a la…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 09:28 PM
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We can go back and forth all day but the song remains the same--it is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 07:58 PM
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Oh sure everyone, men and women, should get the maximum they can get to the fullest extent of the law For example, telling some dumb hole I'm interested in a relationship with her, dumping my cum in her, and then losing her number once I'm finished is perfectly legal, as is exploiting men's sexuality, as are any number of things life is short get yours
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 07:20 PM
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Ego is the best investment a man can make 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 07:19 PM
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What's your goal again--better for what? I mean yeah quality sex ed is a good thing, but I'm not following your broader point.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 07:02 PM
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But if you think a few dollars difference is worth umbrage Splitting, sure, but why pay even one red cent for a girl I haven't fucked? Surely others met her at a club or called her to his place on tinder, and that's how I like it (maybe if that were never happening for me I'd talk myself into thinking like you do). Show your belly all you want kiddo but at least ...you're telling on yourself find better euphemisms for your naked submission.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 07:01 PM
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Different strokes, different folks. Naturally. Why would someone who doesn't care about "x" make decisions based on "x" (whatever "x" may be)? The point is simply that pressuring, bargaining, or negotiating, whether for that esoteric sex act or whatever else it may be, is not the way to go about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 06:50 PM
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Paid for a first date for a girl you've never fucked? That's exploitation.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 06:47 PM
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Oh sure not immediately but soon enough, and by soon enough if you're not wise you will have entangled yourself into a situation that is not worthwhile. You can like someone and enjoy spending time with them without committing to them. You can even pay for them but why pay for someone you've never fucked? I don't even know what kind of aliens are going on these planned formal 1950s providership ritual simulacrum dates that get brought up around here but I'll take it on faith that it's a thing th…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 06:31 PM
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Of course never minding the fact that his current gf may have experimented or tried things, didn’t like it and took it out of rotation. Which is definitely valid and should be respected. No woman in a happy relationship is treating her boyfriend worse than she would a casual partner. Sure it should be respected, but by the same token, if someone is not fulfilling you (both genders), whatever the reason may be, they should simply be immediately discarded...and certainly not pressured to do anythi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 06:28 PM
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Guys who think washing the occasional plate or picking up every other tab is too much eFfOrT are telling on themselves. Why put in eFfOrt to fuck the same boring pussy day in and day out if you're gonna put in eFfoRt it might as well be to fuck new pussy 🤷‍♂️ in current year odds are she's let some guy do so...might as well be that guy, it not for her then for some other girl for whom you are that guy
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 06:22 PM
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Women truly want nothing to do with it and only love and the desire to procreate makes men tolerable in general. and only just barely. Mostly it's to exploit. There's far more sex that's implied than that actually occurs. Most women (other than autists) are fully aware of the power they have because of the endless hunger that is male sexuality, and are happy to leverage it for their ends. You can call it a patriarchal bargain or whatever you want but as long as male sexuality exists, there will …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 03:12 PM
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Download tinder,hinge,bumble,league whatever you use. Set age proximity above 30. All of theories and “studies” in the world don’t prevail over experience. You literally have it at your fingertips to see that a woman’s attractive doesn’t decrease at the rapid rate due to age as much as this sub makes it seem. Survivorship bias
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 12:28 AM
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They don't fully understand male attraction, if they did, disgust would probably be the natural reaction. Mostly it's to exploit. There's far more sex that's implied than that actually occurs. Most women (other than autists) are fully aware of the power they have because of the endless hunger that is male sexuality, and are happy to leverage it for their ends. You can call it a patriarchal bargain or whatever you want but as long as male sexuality exists, there will be women greedily, hungrily u…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/20 07:01 PM
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How does a salary for a few minutes of sex every month disserve female imperative lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 06:28 PM
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need to come up with something better. Might as well cut out the middleman
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 04:00 PM
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going long on non western women, this is where the smart money goes The culture is everywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 06:40 PM
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NYT journalist openly pining for sister wives before eventually divorcing
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 02:21 AM
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None of this contradicts the fact that the physical sensation is extremely pleasurable
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 12:48 AM
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What do you guys think? Some people aren't playful (e.g., autists). They weren't a good match.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 11:58 PM
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In the west, at least, it's the opposite In the ’90s, when Ericsson looked into the numbers for the two dozen or so clinics that use his process, he discovered, to his surprise, that couples were requesting more girls than boys, a gap that has persisted, even though Ericsson advertises the method as more effective for producing boys. In some clinics, Ericsson has said, the ratio is now as high as 2 to 1. Polling data on American sex preference is sparse, and does not show a clear preference for …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 04:19 PM
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3 months Why not 4 or 2 or 5 or 1 or 6
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 04:18 PM
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Older men still dig her She's definitely still hot Today
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 10:49 PM
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above average 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 10:39 PM
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There are often also problems of disparate authority/subordinates/etc.. They're not dumb. They know that. When you're a man, though, dick comes first. And as long as you're not breaking any laws, that's precisely how it should be Life is short Hit that shit raw
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 01:31 AM
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I’m pretty sure those CEOs, politicians, athletes, leaders, musicians would be rather insulted if you suggested they did it all for pussy, since there are far, far easier ways to get sex. There's no way easier than being high status. The fact that they're willing to risk that status for that specific outcome demonstrates that they understood that, and felt compelled to use that status in that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 12:51 AM
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yes that's after accounting for benefits paid out to both Fuuck seriously enlisted So possibility of increase over time?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 12:21 AM
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join the military I'm too ugly to be ever seen as sexually attractive by the opposite gender Someone's gonna go for that
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 12:12 AM
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Equating the intimidation that any man can take your girlfriend is to that traumatic acts of violence is baseless and pointless to even engage. It simply demonstrates that your premise "people who are emotionally unprepared to date shouldn't date" is blatantly incorrect 🤷‍♂️ What’s not fine is consistent bitching and complaining about your shortcomings insomuch that you place that weight on others. “Others” typically being someone you’re dating. No one is a hostage. If you're not getting what yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 12:00 AM
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Crazy I've never heard of him before now googled and seems like a cool dude
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 11:48 PM
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If you’re not secure enough to date without walking on pins and needles out of fear that your partner is more interested in other men, you probably just shouldn’t date. Simple. If you've been molested as a child and have thereby developed boundless toxic hatred and mistrust of men you probably just shouldn't date. Simple, except that's bloody ridiculous and people have the desire to pursue mating regardless of how destructive to themselves and especially others in the foregoing example fulfillin…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 11:45 PM
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If this were the case, why isn't the entire earth just a bunch of buildings for breeding facilities where people fuck each other? 😍 If humans had no other purpose than to breed, why do concepts like art, culture, sports, science, technology exist? Why did we bother dedicating thousands of years of research and development to those fields? From the time a human first covered their nakedness, humans have been making trade-offs for the sake of civilizing, and that sexual energy that is repressed in…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 11:40 PM
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For some people being nice is the facade, which can be freeing to drop. Either way, know thyself, as they say.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 11:39 PM
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Right sure, except they both also seem to think they deserve better than they actually deserve (both sides)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 11:34 PM
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Do you think the winners of society excel just to get pussy? Why else do so many CEOs, politicians, etc. risk all they've built and their reputations just for a whiff of pussy? It’s just a thinly veiled excuse to give up and whine How so? Explaining why one does something....how is that tantamount to not doing it? Sure some don't, but some do.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 11:10 PM
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Yes No "If a man could fuck a woman in a cardboard box, he wouldn't buy a house" -Immortal philosopher Dave Chappelle JUST for yourself However, there is overlap in that a lot of these endeavors have incidentally positive results
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 11:07 PM
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To be a grown ass man and think having a backbone and taking care of your health so you don't die of a heart attack at 40 is some gravely unfair and impossible ask of any adult and proof of male opppression is just fucking pathetic. Well it is 70% of both genders that are failing to do that....and there's no shortage of women who view that ask as female oppression
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 11:06 PM
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......maybe the reason TRP's go so hard on 80/20 is that they don't want to admit what a minority they've been part of. What do you mean lol the "above a healthy weight" rates pretty much map directly to 80-20, for one thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 10:21 PM
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I'm only focusing on men here. We already know that TRP's opinion on women is low as well. I mean that's fair, but at the same time, there is clearly an environment at work the overcoming of which goes beyond "grind like a mule till you get there", if for no other reason than finding the motivation to do so. "Don't eat yourself into an early grave" somehow doesn't do it. That message has been around for a while. Chasing pussy does it for a few, as it should.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 10:18 PM
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Most men are...off buying Belle Daphne's Gamer Girl Bath Water, paying for some girl's rent, or gifting random expensive gifts. Nah come on most men aren't doing that. Don't be fat It's simple, but not easy. 70% of men are overweight or obese (same is true of women, with a higher percentage of women obese). It's not a gendered issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 10:12 PM
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There are non-hormonal IUDs
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 08:42 PM
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"The next guy has his work cut out for him because my intuition, my standards, my boundaries, my wants and needs are off the charts,” Danica Patrick, 38, said
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 06:37 PM
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Girls just wanna have fun 🤷‍♂️ There's some that don't, but they're usually not very attractive. There's not much incentive to want to self-actualize when society is constantly sucking you off with the approval of being conventionally attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 06:12 PM
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I didn't say it negates all of it, but that some of those are potentially non-religious virgins. Or not 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 04:47 PM
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And 20% of women, seems pretty close to me. In this economy, more people are living with their parents, which isn't exactly a sexy environment to bring a Tinder date. Might lower the likelihood on the "likely religious" part. Maybe not.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 04:36 PM
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What's there to cherry pick marry a virgin or don't marry at all (the stats are a dumb reason to do anything anyway. That's just good advice regardless)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 04:25 PM
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Here's women saying it about themselves so you can feel all better Why happy people cheat (Despite the gender neutral article title all the stories are women)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 04:23 PM
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If the virgin obsessives would just admit that it’s insecurity, they might get some well-deserved sympathy and help. But they dig their heels in the Yes every generation of men across cultures (in which any kind of paternal investment was expected) preferring virgins was due to MuH iNsECuRity lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 04:21 PM
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Is there anything about men’s role in dating that TRP admits is objectively shitty? What would be the incentive TRP isn't trying to discuss how to date men. It is trying to discuss how to date women, and so that is where its focus lies--rightfully so. Of course, TRP also discusses at great length mistakes that men make in pursuing what they want in dating, but to the extent that it is useful for them. You want whining about how shitty men are well that's the whole mainstream culture lmfao I'm su…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 04:19 PM
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and use childbirth as leverage. When that failed, 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 01:35 PM
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Men hate the idea of a woman making them wait if she let other men hit it much sooner. Women hate the idea of having cum dumped in them only to never be called again and discarded like the disposable, infinitely replaceable commodity they are. Yet they subject themselves to this. That’s why you are all so hurt and constantly bitching. Gendercritical, trufemcels, FDS, xxchromosomes, etc. would suggest that, "hurt and constantly bitching" is far from a gendered phenomenon.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 01:34 PM
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People are still getting married most people in fact Most people are also eating themselves into an early grave, for example; just because "most" people do something doesn't mean it is a good idea I got your points but I’m in control of my life not the “culture”. Yes, you are in control of yourself. You cannot control other people, however. Accordingly, when you enter into an arrangement that, for example, entangles your entire existence with that of another person, God willing you will not have…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 04:50 AM
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women are more careful about STDs and contraception Not as uniformly as one would think, however Men Aren't Only to Blame: Young Women Resist Condom Use as Well
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 04:25 AM
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culture of building up marriages or healthy relationships Well, it's over. The opposing culture is pervasive and ubiquitous. You wanna go martyr yourself over the completely unsalvageable? Go ahead 🤷‍♂️ I’m not fat either because so I could care less about the “culture” That's only one dimension of it lmao did you seriously not understand that it was one example? Whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 04:11 AM
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Lol yeah, so basically it's going in blind, and even worse by the time one finds out it might be too late🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 03:33 AM
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acted the same No, indeed. But there is a spectrum. It's just like how there's more obesity than ever because there's more access to fatty foods than ever. It is because we live in an obesogenic environment. We also live in an environment that is destructive to anything that would make marriage actually worthwhile for a man. Doesn't mean everyone's fat. Doesn't mean every man is in a bad marriage or divorced. But I like to gamble on things actually worth gambling on, and I encourage every man (a…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 03:33 AM
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If you read what I'm saying carefully, you'll understand that my point is even women who are capable of being good wives, the high likelihood is that this culture will soon infect their ability to do so. No doubt, I don't think any differently of men and the capacity of being a good husband, but that was not the topic at hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 03:06 AM
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Watch don't watch what's the difference the match is already set you can enjoy the one life you were given or you can martyr yourself on a big ol pyre of NOTHING
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 03:04 AM
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this is not ignorance and it's not painful. I think it's technically called ethical nonmonogamy? Or something like that? ​ The men I'm with know to date other women and I date other men. I'm unattached and so are they. It's the only this works. I've had to actually dump men that wanted to be exclusive with me because there's no way 1 man can provide me with all that I'm getting from 9 other guys + an ex. I refused to give that up and he walked away. ​ I communicate all of this upfront. Matches k…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 02:30 AM
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Fair enough, like whatever the underlying mechanism is, if a guy is just interested in quick fucks, it's definitely on offer in current year, and especially because situationality is as you've described so key to it, it's as simple as if you're a guy and a woman doesn't fuck you as quickly as you want, simply discard her and on to the next one. Same for women who aren't getting commitment from a guy as quickly as they want. Or whatever it is. If you're not getting what you want, you simply disca…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 02:27 AM
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There's a pretty big overlap between making these kinds of analogies and evaluating oneself based on "SMV" etc. It's just realpolitik all around.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 02:23 AM
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accelerated the decline That leaves only one option Enjoy it
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 02:21 AM
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The high rate of suicide Women attempt more 🤷‍♂️ incessant yapping from r/mgtow Ever visited any of xxchromosomes, fds, trufemcels, gendercritical, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 02:17 AM
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If a woman makes you wait but doesn’t make Chad wait, its because you are not good enough, not high status enough, and not attractive enough. Oh Chad the eternal boogeyman of depressed men in downward spirals and women with ambitious revenge fantasies. Killallm__ Hah very subtle listen sugartits in modern times it is really not that hard to find girls that won't make you wait. The mistake guys make is investing time and effort in women who don't put out right away. What guys should do is discard…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 02:11 AM
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There's other feelings to be had, damn good ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 01:51 AM
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Haha well for sure, I mean from the guy's perspective if a guy isn't hitting it raw it's a pretty crappy experience 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 01:47 AM
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therefore, lying about history should be a non-negotiable deal breaker. The rub is that there's no way to know if you're being lied to That said, this really only matters in a relationship. There's a big distinction between dating and relationships for most men. True. Monogamous commitment of any kind is not a good idea for a man in 2020.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 01:46 AM
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Might as well make the most of it
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 01:46 AM
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CMV: Doesn't even count as sex unless it's raw
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 01:25 AM
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They don't explicitly define it, but from the context the study discusses it in, it seems like overall/social dominance rather than dominance in bed.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 01:22 AM
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Lol then such a person doesn't exist. Everyone ages, for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 12:57 AM
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Then those dates would be amazing I guess? One way to square the circle either way is to never pay for dates until you've slept with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 12:57 AM
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People get injured. People get fat. Life happens. Nothing is eternal.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 12:52 AM
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Well that's true, why do that
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 12:52 AM
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Lol true it could get out, but I still think you shouldn't do or allow anything that you wouldn't if you were to find out she's gotten around.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 12:37 AM
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Yeah! And yet I see both men and women not doing it. Shame, that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 11:44 PM
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Neither option works for me so I’m just settling for alpha fix and make my own bux. Not great but I’m not making a dude miserable by being a nagging harpy and not suicidal and drinking myself into cirrhosis over non commital Chad Not all heroes wear capes
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 11:13 PM
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So if a chick was hot and smart and you vibed w her but she didn’t fuck you the first night, you immediately next? Yep....there are other hot and smart girls who will be dtf immediately, and in 2020 odds are some guy was that guy for her as well. Might as well be that guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 11:12 PM
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Indeed. In 2020, as a guy you can do whatever you're gonna do, but it should be what you would do if you knew that she's slept around, because the odds are she has. Well-played though!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 10:59 PM
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Don’t play dumb with me most women don’t care about being “mommy” at home and homemaking if their man is putting in the work outside the home most women aren’t hard-core feminist. I'm not playing dumb. People change their minds. There is a difference between a culture that encourages that and a culture that denigrates that. Which one do you think is more likely to cause dissatisfaction? Maybe on average it's unlikely (pretty much unfalsifiable either way I'd reckon), but as a guy if it happens t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 10:44 PM
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That's great. Game recognize game etc. Everyone should do their damndest to do what is in their best interest. Guys, even if you look like James Carville, imagine how much hot, young pussy you can buy with I've also made guys wait and never slept with them at all, and yes they paid for dinner, travel, dates, and tickets to events/concerts, sports games, and entertainment. I once did this for 8 months straight, while also seeing other men. We weren't exclusive and I got bored. ​ :/ Just wasn't ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 10:43 PM
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But, if I found out that she made me wait for 3 months but routinely had first date sex with guys who she thought were hot but didn't even really like, the relationship would end instantly. How would you find out? She could just hide it. Wouldn't it be best to just assume that all MnMs are poisoned, so to speak, and act accordingly? In other words, to do whatever it is you would do if she has routinely had first date sex with guys she thought were hot, because the odds in current year are that s…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 10:40 PM
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Sure, probably true. The fuck are these idiots doing in choosing to marry
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 10:38 PM
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🏆
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 10:38 PM
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I've made all types of men wait and banged all sorts of guys within minutes of meeting them The below has nothing to do with you or your decisions, which you obviously and absolutely have the sovereign right to make as you see fit. It is simply my argument to men as to how men should best use their own sovereign right to make decisions as they see fit. Yes indeed. Gentlemen, that nice girl you're ponying up for so she can stuff her face on your dime for weeks on end blew some dude in the bar bat…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 10:36 PM
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Yeah of course people are free to advise and take advice as they see fit. I was simply addressing your points.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 10:27 PM
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Women” don’t complain about that feminists do. They're the ones publishing the articles, interviews, and other mainstream messaging, but people read and digest and are affected by those articles, interviews, and mainstream messaging, and not necessarily exclusively other feminists. The problem is that by the time you realize which kind you have--whether you are with someone who will be influenced by the culture--it is likely already too late, and you're trapped.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 10:26 PM
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it’s stupid is what I’m saying. Well is the class worth taking? Do I need it for a degree? Will it look good for employers? Or is the class some demanding used up cunt who will inconvenience and nag me at best and completely destroy my life at worst, especially if I decide to audit some other classes if you catch my drift. Modern marriages demand more from men while giving them less of what is important to them (maybe not all men. As I think we discussed previously, neurotic box checking is its …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 10:24 PM
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Yeah fair...it's cultural brainwashing. I think it'll dissipate over time.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 05:35 PM
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I'm not altogether sold on the respect idea, either, so let's just make it more generalized There are about 50 better ways my girl can show me respect before sex. What if she stopped having sex with you altogether?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 05:08 PM
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It's putting a lot of faith in one's own vetting skills that they will be able to know which is which, though. Things that no longer exist like high-trust communities, reputation, and social restraints are what once made such a thing as vetting even remotely reliable (though not perfect). Something can be true as a general matter, but if you get it wrong in that individual situation, well, the likelihood of inaccuracy is far higher when you're talking about figuring out a single individual than …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 04:49 PM
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if you were truly alpha and had abundance you would not have waited all of those months just to be petty. Could just be to have a new sexual experience. The "waiting" is irrelevant if you're fucking other girls in the meantime.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 04:46 PM
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The terps and cels here think this is the ultimate win for the man, but given the amount of effort it takes a man to do all the pursuing and monkey dancing In dating, .... If a dope chick fucks you once, ghosts, and now you have to start again? This doesn’t apply to giga alpha Chad who has true abundance to get daily ONS but that’s less than 5% of all men. The core assumption here is "what do about dry spells". And the answer is simply "pay for it".
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 04:43 PM
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In fact not getting married shouldn’t even count as a strategy at all since marriage is a prerequisite for divorce. The opposite of divorce would be having a long lasting happy and healthy marriage and like I said there are actual strategies to that end. Oh sure there's ways to lessen the chances. Let's factor all of them together. It's still not the 5% it used to be. Why bother when there isn't anything worthwhile to be gained from it that can't be gained some other way? Avoiding marriage is th…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 04:37 PM
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I don't really think "use time efficiently" is gendered. If we lived in villages of 150 and there were only a few prime age women around, that would be one thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 04:35 PM
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That’s why the state of dating is what it is men are not offering anything so women are only going after the really attractive ones it’s something y’all complain about all the time but then conveniently forget when it suits you. I make clear in every comment of mine on this point that it isn't true; these are the random ramblings of men on depressive downward spirals and the women who want to hold them up as the reality they wish existed. Maybe logically women should have higher standards, espec…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 04:34 PM
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Part of their misery is this constant drumbeat in their minds where they are told they should be attracted to the nice submissive man, but keep chasing abusive assholes who are dominant. It makes them absolutely fucking miserable. But in that case it's them following their own desires that makes them miserable and not external brainwashing, which they're rejecting
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 04:29 PM
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this is were much of the rage side of the red pill comes from. When you grow up and learn the truth, that they all lied to you growing up in order to subvert your nature and make you easier to use and abuse... It's true, but there's also a silver lining. Masses of compliant, exploitable men help make society tick. Knowing the real score (as women and wealthy men do) amounts to having your cake and eating it too. Society stays stable, but you don't become one of the exploited that are ultimately …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 04:20 PM
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I don't know why men cry so much about it tho. Both sides do
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 04:18 PM
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It's why I don't date women with a history of casual sex. They could just keep their history to themselves. I'd imagine the safe assumption in these times is that the woman has probably had casual sex, and if she says she hasn't, she is simply hiding it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 04:16 PM
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Nah everyone is disposable. if a woman is making you wait too long for sex, discard her. If a man is making you wait too long for commitment, discard him.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 04:15 PM
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If something is important to you, it's incumbent on you to communicate it. If you expect commitment, you must discuss it. If you don't discuss it, if it isn't agreed, there's no obligation. It's that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 04:13 PM
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It's fine until you commit. No covert contracts. Just as a man paying for a date doesn't entitle him to sex, hanging out doesn't entitle her to a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 04:09 PM
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Wait? In current year the odds are there's at least one guy she hasn't made wait, but respect or disrespect need not enter the conversation. People want what they want. Just fuck other girls, and God forbid you pay one red cent for a girl you haven't fucked yet...if you're gonna pay, might as well put it in an envelope on the dresser, since at least that way the girl is hotter and the sex is guaranteed.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 03:59 PM
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so yes if a man is asking or expecting for those things he will be seen as wrong/bad. Well it's self-selecting: Men who want casual sex can just move on from women demanding more. Women who don't want casual sex can just move on from men looking to move too fast. Sure, anyone who isn't compatible with your wants should be discarded immediately, regardless of gender. Thats a complete lie because women are more likely to orgasm from relationship sex than casual sex. Study showing partner's masculi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 03:56 PM
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Oh for sure basically articles like this are begging people who have it in them to be courageous trailblazers like Real G Amy Coney Barrett to, you know, do the thing. Imagine a mother of 7 school age children on the highest court in the land while some glorified paper pusher complains about figuring out work life balance with their 1 kid lmao (the husband's willingness to play that part, as well as the husband's sister, were important. Maybe they have a strong family because family is something…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 03:24 PM
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from the studies men here post on physical attraction that’s a slim minority. The studies are not saying what they think they're saying lmao. So that still eliminates incentive to be with most men. Think about how little of the initial incentives now remain. Women earn their own money, for example. And yet, there they are, putting out as easily as streetwalkers of yesteryear, and certainly not only to a "slim minority": just because people in a bottomless spiral of depression and self-loathing s…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 03:21 PM
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Yep agreed. And like you said, there's always sugar babies (highly underutilized as it is)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 03:18 PM
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Otherwise what reason would they have to date most men? Horniness? Stupidity? I don't really know for sure, but they do so all the same-- we already basically have a test case of your premise because the trends have been moving in that direction as it is. (50/50 custody is not mandated but is the default position; alimony is not only rarely awarded but gender neutral. Custody is gender neutral). There's still more than enough putting out to go around.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 03:05 PM
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Not all women would find it to be that way, is the point. In order for your assertion to work, all women would have to uniformly find it pointless.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 02:50 PM
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There's always alternatives. People don't all uniformly react the same way. We don't live in small tribes of 150 people. The options are virtually limitless. Want sex on the first date and she won't put out? Discard her, find the next one She makes too many complaints? Discard her, find the next one. She won't pop out kids without a ring? Discard her, find the next one. And so on. Infinite choices permit infinite demands, so long as a man is willing to be patient. The dry spells in between? Pay …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 02:47 PM
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male dating men essentially pointless Haha you've heard it from the horse's mouth if it's not exploitative, it's pointless You're either at the table, or you're on the menu
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 02:43 PM
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Yeah, you know, I don't disagree, but at the same time if it had been all "men will never let us into law school" at every step of the way, things wouldn't have evolved as they have. Pretty much it's a few extraordinary people (whether extraordinarily gifted, or extraordinarily neurotic, or extraordinarily crazy, or even all of the above) that have the wherewithal to push and test boundaries and assumptions that others can then mimic.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 02:39 PM
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Amy Coney Barrett: A New Feminist Icon (From renowned right wing mouthpiece <sup>not</sup> <sup>really...</sup> Politico) Barrett embodies a new kind of feminism, a feminism that builds upon the praiseworthy antidiscrimination work of Ginsburg but then goes further. It insists not just on the equal rights of men and women, but also on their common responsibilities, particularly in the realm of family life. In this new feminism, sexual equality is found not in imitating men’s capacity to walk awa…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 01:42 PM
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No u
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 01:32 PM
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Goddamn right!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 01:32 PM
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I'm not the one making the complaints about how casual sex is empty and unfulfilling because I can't orgasm, notwithstanding their said ability to order dicks like pizza lmao. get their favorite kind from the menu instead of going hungry. All of the complaints would suggest otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 01:30 PM
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🎉🎈
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 05:05 AM
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I'm wondering if a decrease in male testosterone, elimination of gender roles, and also increased female anxiety due to having to play a more traditionally masculine role in society have all contributed to a greater % of women being able to orgasm from intercourse in modern society than in the past. I can't believe this is the first comment to bring that up --though to be fair I didn't link it either. That makes a lot of sense...now I'm wondering what the rates were historically.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 05:04 AM
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Look ma I'm famous
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 05:03 AM
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Everyone has the "right" to dismiss, criticize, ignore, or advocate for whatever they want, within the limits of the law. Unsurprisingly, people tend to be most in tune with their own interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 04:22 AM
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Amen to that. The shift to parity. It's happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 04:21 AM
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I don't fucking get the idea that getting an abortion doesn't constitute taking responsibility for your actilons. There's a problem (an unplanned pregnancy) and a solution is sought (an abortion). It seems me the irresponsible choice is having a kid you can't handle. What will constitute "taking responsibility" when abortion is illegal?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 03:30 AM
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An attractive man is able to get regular sex without having to commit to a woman. How about unattractive men
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 01:49 AM
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Haha I'm just going by the ubiquitous accounts of women complaining how men don't try to please them
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 12:37 AM
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Lol what do you mean
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 12:17 AM
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because his pussy eating skills don't depend on how ugly or hot he is. In theory perhaps, but the women of the internet have spoken with one voice: men are simply selfish lovers and by and large can't or won't do such things. Women can't control what others do, but they can control what they do, so the only thing that is within their power to be able to stop having shitty sexual experiences is to stop being 🐷🐽 pig women and get their fat fucking worthless asses on a goddamn treadmill so that guy…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 11:49 PM
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It is going to be such a mess
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 10:54 PM
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Highly under-voiced perspective frankly.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 09:30 PM
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No argument from me. My point actually goes even further: women who complain about not orgasming because men are selfish in bed or whatever, the real problem is likely that the woman isn't hot enough to attract sufficiently masculine, orgasmogenic men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 09:27 PM
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Also fair. It's relevant to some folks for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 09:27 PM
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I know what you're thinking. Men can meet women IRL, and they frequently do in community settings Lol you actually did read my mind. Your point amounts to "men have to be patient". Well sure they do. But patience is rewarded. Furthermore, there's no need to kowtow to anyone's demands just to fill the dry spells (let's be honest, all guys have em, and many guys give in to less beneficial relationships than they would have if they'd been patient.. Just to quench the sex thirst). Men should fill th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 09:25 PM
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No argument from me. My point actually goes even further: women who complain about not orgasming because men are selfish in bed or whatever, the real problem is likely that the woman isn't hot enough to attract sufficiently masculine, orgasmogenic men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 09:22 PM
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Matches are just the beginning of a long road if commitment is what you're looking for; of course, having a heuristic to weed people out and narrow the funnel is a good thing. But as far as getting what she wants out of men, the odds are that if she hasn't figured that out yet, she's not valuable enough to be able to do it, well except: to be inexperienced with men. Many of them come from religious backgrounds and restrictive cultures that policed their sexuality when they were younger and we ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 07:57 PM
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Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 07:54 PM
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. A woman doesn't have to be attractive AT ALL to receive matches, messages, and dates. On Online dating platforms, profiles of women with no pictures or bios receive tons of interest and women of ALL attractiveness levels receive interest from all types of men. Matches are just the beginning of a long road if commitment is what you're looking for. I agree with you/FDS/whomever that if someone isn't giving you what you want, they should be inmediately discarded, regardless of what gender you are…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 07:53 PM
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Sure might be involuntary but they're still going for someone
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 07:49 PM
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while y'all wouldn't Why are you so sure
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 07:06 PM
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If a woman is actually worth a damn, she learns it pretty early. If she has to brainstorm with ugly autists to figure it out, she likely wasn't worth a damn to begin with, whether because she isn't sufficiently attractive (ugly), or because she lacks sufficient social/feminine graces to be able to use the gash between her legs to get her way (autistic). You either got it or you don't. (And yes, same could be said about trp, but given that the goal is casual sex they only have to put on the chara…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 07:05 PM
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Men can't decide what women find attractive, life doesn't work that way. Attraction cannot be negotiated. It either IS or ISN'T there. Sure, but here's the rub: if they're saying a man they were otherwise attracted to isn't a "high value man" solely because she finds that he isn't doing what she wants him to do, then it in reality no longer has anything to do with his value...she's simply not hot enough to incite in him the desire to perform the behaviors she prefers he would.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 07:03 PM
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How do you account for the fact that they also included objective/observer ratings? You're still cherrypicking. Sigh No u
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 07:00 PM
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How do you figure
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 06:59 PM
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This level of bizarre disconnection with reality is way above my level of commenting interest. Go argue with some someone who actually cares about whatever it is you're ranting about now. All this "globohomo" nonsense is just way too goofy for me to waste any more time on. Call it feminism if that makes your feefees freefree 🤷‍♂️ I have every confidence you wouldn't be satisfied by any women from "back in the old times" either. Every era had such women, but in those eras there wasn't ubiquitous …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 06:59 PM
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Very niiiceee
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 06:57 PM
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Why are you excerpting lol it was all of those things maybe you can try arguing why the methodology as a whole was insufficient
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 06:10 PM
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high scores on a principal component characterized by high objectively-measured facial masculinity, observer-rated facial masculinity, partner-rated masculinity, and partner-rated dominance.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 06:07 PM
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🕺
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 06:07 PM
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Proves my point that women only go for the top chads blah blah women evil blah blah.” In fact, it would indicate that women don't do that, since if they did so many wouldn't complain about orgasms. They'd just limit their selections to attractive/masculine men (necessary but not sufficient, sure), and they'd have orgasms.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 06:06 PM
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Wrong? People should do whatever they want to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 06:05 PM
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Well sure, it's from the perspective of the woman. Some delusional dude thinking he's super masculine when he isn't won't really help, and if anything might make it worse
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 06:04 PM
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Well ok, but that is not going to happen anytime soon🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 05:48 PM
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K
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 05:47 PM
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For starters though, sociological studies are not "science" and don't claim to be. The American Sociological Association would beg to differ Sociology is the scientific study of society, including patterns of social relationships, social interaction, and culture
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 05:47 PM
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Your mocking tone, perhaps? Might've misread 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 05:41 PM
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Skill matters. Most hot men don't have any skill either cause all they bring is looks to the table. Apparently that's enough
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 05:40 PM
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For coital orgasm, p value is 0.007, which is below 0.05 and you can reject the null hypothesis. For non coital orgasm, p value is 0.608, which is too high. Yeah that is something they state at the end of the abstract as well, that the findings don't pertain to non coital.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 05:39 PM
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If there is truly no value to self-reported studies, how have they not been weeded out by the scientific community as bad science? How do they secure any kind of funding or approval?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 05:38 PM
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But on the other hand, you don't seem to take seriously men's assertions that the other self-reported studies are unreliable?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 05:37 PM
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masculinity and attractiveness are completely subjective terms. True as a general matter, but they did try to make it at least somewhat objective apparently (though sure, it could be argued that they may not have succeeded) high scores on a principal component characterized by high objectively-measured facial masculinity, observer-rated facial masculinity, partner-rated masculinity, and partner-rated dominance.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 05:36 PM
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It sounds like you're doing the very thing you're accusing men on this sub of doing lol. So you agree with them? Disagree? Agree when convenient to your point? (See also: studies about the self reported "happiness" of women in the past vs. now) What do you mean
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 05:33 PM
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I was earning thrice as much as him, and our lifestyle would take a temporary hit, but we wouldn't be in trouble. When we both were working, we mostly split the chores 50/50 Well at least in this case she walked the walk when the shoe was on the other foot.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 05:32 PM
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Are you treating all self-reported studies with the same brush ironically or unironically? What would be the incentive to lie in this specific direction? It's already understood that the reason women underreport number of sexual partners and men over-report sexual partners is that women want to avoid feeling slutty and men want to feel like they're able to get around. So what's the incentive here? I'm not saying there isn't possibly one, but maybe you can identify what it could be.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 05:28 PM
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It's easier for the women who complain to blame men for "being selfish" or whatever nonsense than it is to put down the fucking fork 🐷 and hop on a treadmill so she can actually be attractive to the kind of guy who will get her off.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 05:19 PM
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Yeah I agree. And to the extent that they properly screen for hot men, they're by and large not going to be the same women complaining about orgasms.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 05:18 PM
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Yeah...so what? From the perspective of the woman the problem is attracting men hot enough so that she'll cum, so she needs to make herself hot enough to match with whatever small proportion of men on tinder (or whatever site, or maybe even attract irl) are hot. Or I guess give up if she won't or can't make herself hot enough. Those are the options.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 04:59 PM
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Men's masculinity and attractiveness predict their female partners' reported orgasm frequency and timing All the asking in the world isn't going to make the man more masculine or attractive. The only laziness posing an obstacle here is the 🐷 women who need to put the fork down and hop on a treadmill so that they're actually attractive enough to be able to get the kind of man that can get them off.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 04:43 PM
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but many of these men aren't LVM I get the sense that when they say LVM, they mean "providing low value to me", rather than an objective sense of value (though of course there's bound to be some overlap)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 04:36 PM
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I think it's in the bag. Roberts pulling his "institutionalist" ploy can't hold the gates any longer.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 04:34 PM
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Why demonize men who want casual sex? Because of the orgasm gap The man's masculinity and attractiveness are predictive of whether the woman orgasms. So, not to be crude, but maybe those women aren't hot enough to attract orgasmogenic men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 04:25 PM
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So because they used to in the past, they are obligated to continue having casual sex? Certainly not. Casual sex does not benefit women. It also does not give men the incentive to commit And yet there's plenty of women who willingly do it anyway. Until you get all the attractive women to not have casual sex, it's simply a race to the bottom. Thanks liberation! low odds of orgasm. The man's masculinity/attractiveness is predictive of whether the women will orgasm, so it might be that women who ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 04:16 PM
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Bad bot
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 04:08 PM
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The only women who can pull off FDS, such as it is, are women who figured it out already on their own, which they were able to do because they're actually worth a damn. (Obviously they wouldn't call it "FDS" because they don't know what FDS is). Undoubtedly the women who are able to lock down high value men don't furiously scheme with ugly autists on an anonymous subreddit regarding how to get undersexed idiots to buy them a happy meal. If you have to ask, you can't afford it, whether because yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 04:06 PM
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I meant your campaign lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 03:40 PM
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Yep
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 03:39 PM
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Well, uh, your abstention from marriage will not be noticed by women— you’re just one person with extreme demands. That right? Then why are there these endless complaints from women "oh I have to do all the chores. I have to do all the childcare. I have to keep the schedule and send out the greeting cards and do all the emotional labor" blah blah fucking blah...it's because that's precisely what men expect their partners to do, but they're too chicken shit to admit it, so instead they lie "oh I'…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 03:38 PM
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Hah good luck with that
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 03:29 PM
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Giggity
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 04:43 AM
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I like fuckin new pussy. Most guys do, I think. (Behind every hot girl is a guy who's sick of fuckin her). I don't see what there is to get out of a modern relationship that makes giving that up worth it in any manner whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 04:15 AM
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Biden's not Hillary--I realize that some people have been successfully persuaded that anything anyone on the left does is Biden's doing, but this time around most of those persuaded people were already solidly in Trump's camp to begin with. Preaching to the choir.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 04:15 AM
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Like what era do you still wish to live in? Oh of course the one that benefited men to the extreme and kept women as docile housewives. Also, the marriages were permanent. Um yeah no fuckin shit Sherlock I want to be benefitted lmfao. I'm not going to pass on new pussy without a worthwhile reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 04:13 AM
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If you're marriageable, the likelihood is you've got enough value to swap out girls and enough money to pay when needed. That value is better used that way rather than on the same ol aging, boring pussy. Networking They have websites you know.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 04:12 AM
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I mean lots of things technically exist. Maybe it's a bubble thing but pretty much you hook up, keep hooking up, and after a while it's like hey let's call it a relationship or whatever 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 03:57 AM
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He won because he was able to sway the "fuck it lets see what he's got, hillary fucking sucks" vote in the 3-4 states that decide the election. It's not happening this time. They've seen what he's got. RemindMe! December 12, 2020
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 03:56 AM
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There's enough of em 🤷‍♂️ Dry spells? Just pay to fill those. Problem solved.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 03:54 AM
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in my area It's a big country
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 03:52 AM
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You can try to have women pay for your meal as often as you like. Lol nah I don't agree with that either. I'm relatively generous with women once I've fucked em but I won't spend one red cent before that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 02:41 AM
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There have always been women perfectly happy to be what you so denigrate. Now, today, even women who would be perfectly happy to do that, there's no chance that people like you and your globohomo cultural masters will permit them to remain that way without feeling fomo etc. Well, that's just fine. As I've said, a man in current year can have any damn thing he wants without marriage or even commitment: sex, friendship, companionship, adventure, even children. There's just no need and nothing to g…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 02:40 AM
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en you, in one of your last posts said that if a man is “marriageable” (your word), it means he “has money.” You demonstrate this ability by paying for the dates you go on, regardless of who instigated the date. I believe man, at his core, is a provider. He offers Physical, emotional, and financial security for the person he chooses to be with. Even you, in one of your last posts said that if a man is “marriageable” (your word), it means he “has money.” You demonstrate this ability by paying for…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 02:22 AM
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they don’t fit some virgin subservient waifu fantasy or whatever your particular desires are It would appear that I not only told you what would make marriage a worthwhile endeavor, but that you also understood it, and have no response other than to demonize it. Well, that's ok, and it also perfectly reflects the broader issue: even if you find some individual who appears as though they are suitable, they won't be for long. In the end, the culture always wins.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 02:14 AM
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Sounds like it'd be really easy to make an argument then, except I don't seem to see one
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 01:56 AM
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Yeah that's fair I think in that scenario the right to terminate would pretty much have to be absolute
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 01:16 AM
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If at least 5 justices, for whatever reason, opine that it's compelling (it is their opinion, after all), that's the ballgame. Sure, there are institutionalists like Roberts who care about optics, but he's one vote.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 12:06 AM
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For example: does “emotionally providing” mean doing what a man says and obeying his orders? Or does it mean that she tells him he’s better than other men? Or is it that she lets him cry on her shoulder? I’m asking because this is super vague. How about not treating every interaction of emotional support as "unpaid emotional labor" lmao (Google it. There's plenty of examples). For example, most people in the past were farmers, and traditional feminine labor was critical for a functioning farm— y…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 10:59 PM
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I can want to introduce someone to my family because I like them and I like my family. Well you should consider that you will ultimately sacrifice a great deal for that momentary experience, with likely little to show for it in return
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 10:46 PM
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Oh you have to have plenty to offer to be marriageable in the first place. The point is that such men are better off using that value on rotating sexual novelty rather than a complaining replaceable harpy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 10:45 PM
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And you can't do stuff like introduce whores to your family Box checking to kowtow to family pressure is a bad reason to imprison oneself Except those women are in high demand and relatively rare, compared to the amount of men seeking them There's enough of em 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 10:39 PM
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If a woman won't handle all of it 24/7, what the fuck good is she? She can be replaced with someone younger hotter tighter next week. Pay up or shut up 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 10:38 PM
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It's a pretty small group that believes those things. "5G towers cause cancer", the earth is flat, etc. are not matters of opinion. Whether abortion ought to be allowed is, notwithstanding the pompous grandstanding of the valueless mass of occupiers of the liberal bubble, a matter of opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 10:37 PM
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The article that commenter linked to explains several reasons that is false, which are rooted in scientific limitations: Biology and Barriers Scientifically, a male birth control pill poses a greater challenge than its female counterpart. And “It doesn’t require many sperm to produce a pregnancy,” said John Townsend, director of country strategy at the Population Council. “So making sure they’re eliminated is a very difficult biological task, whereas if there is a single ovum coming down once a …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 10:17 PM
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If it was possible to make people believe something they weren't already inclined to, if the messaging was so effective, it would've worked on everyone. It did not.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 10:13 PM
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Well, do you agree with it?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 10:13 PM
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You cherry picked the most extreme examples from the article. Much more ordinary scenarios are set forth in that article and many other complaints about "unpaid labor" easily accessible with a google search. Don't marry a women. Problem solved This is purple pill debate. I was responding to a comment. If you do not find my response to be of interest, you are free to read and engage with any of the other thousands of comments on this sub, on reddit, or on the internet Problem solved
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 10:13 PM
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Indoctrination implies they held view x but now hold view y solely because of the messaging. But that's not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 10:11 PM
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So there goes abortion
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 10:00 PM
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There's always alternatives to you (/similar minded)🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 09:54 PM
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Yep agreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 09:50 PM
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You can't politically radicalize people who weren't receptive to the message. The people who are radicalizable weren't non radical before because they didn't want it. It's because no one offered them an ascertainable option that is congruent with these desires. Another example: the liberal bubble regularly blames Trump for igniting racism etc., but as the fifth avenue will crowd will tell you, he simply said what they were thinking. The option congruent with their wants appeared, and they took i…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 09:49 PM
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No, you're saying that. If no one was receptive to that message, the messaging wouldn't work. Notice that the messaging does not work on everyone, only a subset. That subset is the receptive one. They yearned for it all along. They just didn't know it till someone put it out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 09:37 PM
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there’s women that offer emotional support even through casual connections. Precisely why there's no need to lock in. Because once you do, they start saying things like Men drain the emotional life out of women / "mUh EmOtIonAl lAbOr" It's like, okay. The woman is going to demand you share housework equally, but also demand you earn more. She's going to see doing anything at all that might bring value to your life as some sort of unpaid labor. Marrying her is no longer permanent, but you still g…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 09:35 PM
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You don't have to feel "worthless" for that message to fulfill your yearnings. In the same way you don't have to feel worthless for the message "anyone should be able to get an abortion anytime for any reason at any time" to fulfill your yearnings. The liberal bubble isn't some unquestionable reality, and the fact that these pompous box checking glorified paper pushers feel that way is a big reason we have been cursed with President Trump in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 09:30 PM
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I find friendship sometimes to be more fulfilling than romantic relationships because romance is often pursued for self-fulfillment rather than mutual fulfillment. That's an interesting take. I believe though that one can persist without self-fulfillment only for so long. I gather you find other ways to meet that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 09:25 PM
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Yeah, but they had to be receptive to that modality in the first place; not everyone with this want fills it that way. Only a subset. That subset yearned for this message, until someone offered it to them. As the last psychiatrist puts it, "if you're watching, it's for you"
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 09:24 PM
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It fills a want that everyone shares, but which not everyone is able to satisfy with religion. The "weird shit" is a feature and not a bug. Without the weird shit, the want wouldn't be filled for said people.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 09:17 PM
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Yeah like if you're going to marry at all, the safest bet is an equal earner, but on the other hand a lot of women want "work life balance" once they've got the ring on so it might not even play out the way it initially looks. Marry? For what?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 09:16 PM
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It's a want that religion fulfills for some people. Maybe call it a yearning for meaning, or as always sunny puts it a God hole (and notes that some people fill it with sex, money, etc.). People aren't a monolith.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 09:14 PM
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Lol yeah I mean one way or another, if you want something in life, suffering will come in some form or another on the path. Maybe the better word is sacrifice. Hence wisely, you know? Pick the sacrifices that are worthwhile.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 09:10 PM
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would it be worth the effort to romance this woman if I end up failing to have sex with her?” Well sure, everyone has to decide what level of suffering is worth what outcome. I did intend the post to mostly be about relationships but I see that I kind of drifted around lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 09:09 PM
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It can only be either of two things: A. Abortion should be perfectly, universally lawful, free, easily accessible...and paired with a right for men to opt out of financial responsibility OR B.Abortion should be banned, and child support laws should be even more harsh, pregnancy support should be required, etc. Looks like America is going with option B. All hail Real G Amy Coney Barrett.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 09:08 PM
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Yeah and I do think that's an often ignored point: sometimes, a person just can't find someone or something that is worth suffering for. They play pretend.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 09:06 PM
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Ok, but the baseline want had to exist in the first place--it can't be manufactured from think air.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 08:34 PM
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There’s a time where we say enough is enough. And that’s what ever trp and fds come in Well sure, but they don't eliminate suffering.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 08:32 PM
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Shits going to go wrong despite your best intentions. Isn't that the point? Suffering is inevitable. Suffer wisely. The problem is a lack of resilience. That’s why you’ve got old men here crying about how their wife of twenty years done em wrong and young ones crying because they couldn’t get any at band camp. It's funny that you say this and then in the same breath accuse me of being a teenager. I hope you feed and water the high horse you keep riding on!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 08:32 PM
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Hahah that's gotta be staged
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 08:30 PM
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What do you mean? They don't just randomly come up with commercials for fun that's my point. They understand their consumers' wants and then advertise in ways that speak to those wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 08:25 PM
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Any thoughts on what those ways through might be?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 08:24 PM
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I think that communities with strong moderation, a focus on healthy behaviors, and a self realization of what they can accomplish and whats best left to mental health professionals, and inclusivity are certainly less prone to those pitfalls. True but the trade-offs are worth considering: the more you moderate, the more you encourage self-censorship of real feelings and motivations. "Normie" (lol) spaces like relationship advice or even askmen come to mind. Frankly, I think PPD is one of the best…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 08:24 PM
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Not sure how paying the unenthusuastic helps anyone. Wet dick feels good. How would the unenthusiatic wives be any worse? More drama/more complications to pursuing sexual novelty (women don't turn a blind eye anymore like ye olden days. I know there are good reasons why. Just saying) Even if they're putting on a better show.. it's... it's a band aid at best. Isn't it? I don't know. I cannot stand the urge. I'd much prefer a dry spell and a full pocketbook. Woman thing (sorry but not sorry). In t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 08:21 PM
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This is a classic misunderstanding, in my opinion. The billions on marketing and cult leaders can't just pick some random thing and decide "yo let's get people to buy/believe this shit". They have to understand what it is people are yearning for. That's why so many of those billions are spent on market research and testing, etc. That's why cult leaders are so rare and yet so influential....they have a gift, which is the ability to understand those inner hungers that people are not willing or abl…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 08:17 PM
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About one-in-five Millennial men residing with their own child or children are unmarried. Are all of those men cohabiting with the mother though? Someone put up a stat that it's high 50s - low 60s in terms of percentage of unmarried births that are to cohabiting partners. Either way it's definitely interesting, thanks for sharing.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 08:06 PM
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Yeah that's true
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 08:04 PM
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Lack of people standing up and saying ‘we want this!’ is not the reason it doesn't exist is my point. The scientific limitations are why it doesn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 08:04 PM
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exacerbated by things like poor moderation, self selection, and a sense of aggrievement at the core of whatever the community is focused on. Is what I described as a feature and not bug of trp, fds etc. in providing a safe space for venting etc. But fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 08:03 PM
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They're smart people. They can work backwards from the conclusion they want to find legal justification for it. Precedents get overturned. They've picked judges who believe this is one that should be overturned. Test cases have already been working their way through the system, and many more can be hatched pretty much at will by states on that side of the argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 08:02 PM
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but now try getting her to stay around. She won't. It's no longer permanent. You're fighting a rigged battle. Seems like we live our lives very different ways though. All I can say is acknowledge your own truth. If you live the life you do because it's congruent with your truest desires (not with what society brainwashed you into thinking is the right way to live), then all is as it should be.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 07:57 PM
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Clock is ticking, though. Abortion has a window.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 07:56 PM
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Even your feminist propaganda article acknowledges Biology and Barriers Scientifically, a male birth control pill poses a greater challenge than its female counterpart. And “It doesn’t require many sperm to produce a pregnancy,” said John Townsend, director of country strategy at the Population Council. “So making sure they’re eliminated is a very difficult biological task, whereas if there is a single ovum coming down once a month, there are many more options for interfering with that successfu…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 07:52 PM
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I'm saying that the shift in opinion didn't happen because of the mass propaganda, because the mass propaganda would not have been effective if not for people being receptive to it Of course, I do also think it's right, because as I explained the only two scenarios that I find to be even remotely palatable or justifiable are, again, A. Abortion should be perfectly, universally lawful, free, easily accessible...and paired with a right for men to opt out of financial responsibility OR B.Abortion s…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 07:51 PM
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It's not brainwashing. It IS shameful. I don't need another person's body so much that i would pay for it. I don't want to have sex when someone else isn't equally into it. Why would anyone else want that? Well, you're a woman. A lot of men would do it but for the stigma. A lot more men used to do it. You think men just stopped having sex in ye olden times when their lay back and think of england wives stopped putting out? No! They had hookers and mistresses If some men are that desperate that a…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 07:49 PM
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These patterns persist even after adjusting for differences in race, parents' education, number of siblings, and residential location.' Shame they didn't control for income (though I guess education is close enough)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 07:48 PM
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Might be at least in part economic disparities? Which one can avail of even domestically.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 07:42 PM
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Science is perfectly capable of finding a solution for male plumbing. I follow this pretty closely and they're trying pretty hard. They just reach dead ends that they can't yet overcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 07:42 PM
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Yeah me too lol
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 07:40 PM
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Yes? The masses in germany were in fact receptive to that messaging and perspective, though no one likes to admit it. I'd highly recommend Hitler's First Hundred Days: When Germans Embraced the Third Reich for a horrifying look sourced with firsthand accounts from the time. The KKK...people were yearning for that kind of "take this shit back". Etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 07:40 PM
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I like worthwhile challenges. What's the hottest girl I can fuck this week? Can I fuck her in less than 20 minutes of conversation? How many women can I be fucking at the same time without committing to them? Or more generally, how fit can I get? How much more can I earn this year than last? Again, if marriage were permanent like it used to be, I would absolutely consider it. But I don't like challenges that amount to completely unbeneficial martyrdom
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 07:38 PM
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India has a cheap reversible male birth control shot, right now. It's not reliably reversible. Fight for men to have more options! The limitations are rooted in science. I don't disagree with you that more options would be far preferable.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 07:36 PM
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sexual crimes That would pose the issue of women who want an abortion simply claiming to have been raped.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 07:33 PM
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The women who were more serious about that sexual “decorum” were the exact same ones literally every Red Pill man would call a gold-digging dead-bedroom prude today. Well women were certainly more virginal then than they are now, even if not perfectly uniformly virginal. If you're gonna commit to a ho, what's the point if she isn't going to ho for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 07:32 PM
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Most (and most on here tbh) don't seems to care much about children except as a tool to promote their side and demonize the opposition. Why can't it be both? They're not mutually exclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 07:31 PM
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They cannot just overturn Roe v Wade What do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 07:28 PM
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Nothing should be accepted without question. You know something? I agree with you. Neurotic analysis is exactly the problem they claim to be solving, yet encouraging through many of their positions. For my part, my goal is to not be a workhorse, to not take even a modicum of effort more than I have to in order to meet my needs, to work smart but not hard. Rehearsed interactions and analyses wouldn't work for me. They'd make me cringe. HOWEVER, if you're a guy, it's highly likely there's a thirst…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 07:24 PM
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Username suggests you will not agree but I must offer that that might be a feature and not a bug. People who are receptive to it, well...that may have been what they were yearning for in the first place. A community where they could vent their frustrations and their hurts with support and without judgments or whataboutisms. Of course, there is a downside that if you're not being encouraged to grow--whether there or elsewhere--you will stagnate, and nothing will ever change, and your temporary co…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 07:20 PM
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I appreciate the perspective. What is also natural is being who you are, and that "you" is gonna come out sooner or later. The problem is that the "sooner or later" is often precisely when it's maximally destructive. I met my girlfriend at the gym, and both of us lift for the same reasons; to have a strong build than can handle the activities we enjoy (surfing when we can get to the coast, mountain biking, hiking) and to have a great physique (look good, feel good). We share the work ethic, the …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 07:18 PM
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but the potential for a mate is part of what inspires a man to leave a legacy. No need to commit to mate And again, not saying fuck everything that moves - there’s far more of a legacy in building something monogamous with someone special. No, it’s not the same without some hint of sexuality. Maybe when monogamy was permanent, the divorce rate was 5%, the culture encouraged such legacy building, etc. But now? It's like calling quicksand a beach
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 07:14 PM
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Besides, if you don't see a problem with such inconsistency, then you can't call out others who are inconsistent in similar ways. Sure you can just look at our political system. If you've ever checked out Sapiens by Harari, he has a theory (which I subscribe to) that the ability to tolerate cognitive dissonance is fundamental to civilizations. Just look at America ..its foundational principles are in direct conflict with each other. E.g., liberty and equality
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 07:13 PM
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Experiments like that on global population level is scary because the oscillation can either wipe us out down to level 1 sticks and rocks, our make us colonize the stars in span of few generations. Think dark ages after collapse of antiquity, but 100 times worse. Yeah nothing wagered nothing earned I reckon. I have this fringe theory (not totally seriously or anything, just a weak hunch) that maybe humans have reached this level of civilizational and technological sophistication at some point in…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 07:11 PM
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If there wasn't a ready audience receptive to the messaging it wouldn't have worked. Just because someone attempts to shape public opinion through messaging doesn't mean it's always work. You know what would've made people far less receptive to such a campaign? A platform of universal reproductive freedom, for women and men, such that no person is involuntarily forced to shoulder for a lifetime the results of a single irresponsible sex act. Well that's alright. Now we can all shoulder it togethe…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 07:09 PM
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There is no basis for morality. Just opinions. Well as far as what people are obligated to do, I don't think anyone is obligated to do anything more than follow the law. But in a democracy laws are the sum of people's wants, and laws can change.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 07:07 PM
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Maybe off topic but I have my doubts that the kinds of things women hope for in their interactions with men can be achieved through internet advice
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 07:06 PM
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Either: Abortion should be perfectly, universally lawful, free, easily accessible...and paired with a right for men to opt out of financial responsibility OR Abortion should be banned, and child support laws should be even more harsh, pregnancy support should be required, etc. I would vastly prefer A, but I would much rather have B than the current situation. Looks like America is going with B. You know what's interesting? Public support for abortion consistently went up from the time Roe v. Wad…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 07:02 PM
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Well now you know (or at least know of) one https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2017/10/19/atheists-case-against-abortion-respect-human-rights
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 06:57 PM
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With all the men out there who have girlfriends, i sincerely hope you aren't right. I sincerely hope that for everyone involved. Projection much? There is just no other way all these men would choose relationships if they felt like you do... right? Men wanting to avoid dry spells at all costs (who also are brainwashed into thinking paying for it to cover the dry spells is shameful)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 06:55 PM
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I don't think we really need a perfect analogue for fds of the male variety. In that case, do "we" not need FDS either?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 06:52 PM
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Many more things have to happen in between, and all of those lie in the hands of the woman. If you think sex is consent to birth, it sounds like you think Amy Coney Barrett is a real G too...great we are in agreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 06:47 PM
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So for women it's solely religion, but for men it's a power exchange? There aren't religious men? There aren't areligious women who are pro-life?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 06:47 PM
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Because the woman decides whether the child is born or not. The man has no say in whether the child is born or not. I mean, for now. Real G Amy Coney Barrett is about to change that, so, you know, next year my question will be why are so many parents choosing to be unwed?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 06:46 PM
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(read: loser men) So only "loser men" want to maximize their power? Seems to me like it's the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 06:44 PM
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are looking down on unwed mothers but not unwed fathers. Why? Just about consistently I've advocated for unmarried parenthood being fine throughout this thread, and I certainly plan to have children, and definitely don't plan to marry.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 06:43 PM
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granting yourself the right to reason that way, but denying a woman in a similar situation the right to do it. Denying? Personally I think everyone should take whatever they can get, but even someone who "denies"...what difference does it make? It's not stopping anyone from doing what they're going to do. It's not unlawful.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 06:42 PM
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If anti-abortion is to restore men's power over women, why are the majority of the people who are anti-abortion women? They want men's power over them to be restored?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 06:28 PM
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Lmao try telling that to the men here who are convinced if you're not a 6 ft+ 8/10 chad you'll be a lonely virgin forever. They're not only wrong, but many who say such things are in a downward psychological spiral that an ltr certainly isn't going to remedy. But again, i really don't think what you're suggesting is even plausible for the average man. How many women are actually willing to fuck an average guy whose name they dont even know without even a date? More than enough 🤷‍♂️ ....just pay …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 06:24 PM
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It is not hard to understand Ok, fair enough. So do you think the trend is good, bad, or indifferent?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 06:17 PM
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trying to pretend that 2+2=5 There's no need for delusion. Let's say a guy is bipolar. Him screening out women who are borderline isn't pretending reality is other than it is, just because he also is mentally ill. In fact, it's an even more practical acknowledgement of reality, because two mentally ill people will drive each other fucking crazy, wreaking utter destruction on the lives of two fragile people who drag each other down. How is that better for anyone?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 06:16 PM
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🎉🎊🎈 terpies will get their wish Most pro-lifers are women
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 06:11 PM
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Most pro-lifers are women
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 06:11 PM
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without taking the initiative or gonna put yourself out there and do it? There’s always the risk it won’t work out, but least you tried Sure people should take risks, but they should be risks worth taking. In modern times a man who compromises his innate desire for sexual novelty (sure, it's a spectrum, but there are more guys denying they want this than there are men pretending they do) is doing so for basically nothing. Every damn thing a man can get from marriage or even a relationship is on …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 06:07 PM
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Who are you even addressing with this comment? Lmao, as if men here or even the average man has a plethora of options for easy free casual sex All but the most hideous men can. During dry spells (or if you're so hideous you can't partake in the veritable sexual buffet of current year)....just pay for it. You're still better off than sacrificing on the imprisonment of an LTR or even God forbid marriage, which isn't even permanent any longer
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 06:06 PM
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I don't know about that. Even with equally earning partners (which erases most of the legal aspects...laws disfavor the higher earning partner, which is usually the man), untangling a divorce can be expensive and exhausting because the legal system is highly inefficient and exploitative.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 06:04 PM
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Depending on vetting is dangerous. Your life does depend on it, but it's little more than a guess. Like fuck as a guy at least don't marry so you have a quick escape when things inevitably falter....marriage is simply not a permanent arrangement any longer, but has too many of the trappings (literally too, it's a trap) of when it was permanent.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 06:00 PM
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but it's possible to do that without relying on double standards. If, according to a universal principle, it's OK for two people to act in a certain way, then it's just a waste of time to try to pretend it's OK for one, but not OK for the other. How is it a waste of time? Maybe at the societal level, but for the individual, it's optimal to have whatever standards you need to protect yourself, while doing whatever you feel you have to in order to meet your needs and wants, provided that all of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 05:53 PM
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The thing is though that Chad most likely isn't in a LTR with the girl. This isn't a case of what Chad can skip out on or not, it's what expectations there are set between strangers and partners. There are many people who are friends with benefits who aren't Chad that still don't pay, because it's not expected in a non-relationship. LTRs are a dumb idea for men As I see it, it's not "I'll give you sex if you do the laundry ;)" (even if that may happen from time to time as a fun tease). I see it …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 05:49 PM
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First of all, most pro-lifers are women. If abortion is legal, men should be able to opt out. If men can't opt out, abortion should be illegal You the real G Amy Coney Barrett In the words of the immortal philosopher Dave Chappelle Gentlemen, that is fair. And ladies, to be fair to us, I also believe that if you decide to have the baby, a man should not have to pay. That’s fair. If you can kill this [EXPLETIVE], I can at least abandon him. It’s my money, my choice. And if I’m wrong, then perhaps…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 05:45 PM
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Everyone has to decide if the risk is worth it to them and part of that is attempting to mitigate the risk of their own situations. I don't think it's fair to say that it definitely is or is not worth it across the board. I agree that it's a spectrum, but there are more guys denying they want sexual novelty than there are men pretending they do, and the ones who compromise on it are doing so for basically nothing (meaning the risk is worth it, if it is worth it at all, only for men who innately …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 05:44 PM
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Why do male dating subreddits centre around 'how to appear confident and bag multiple women' than on 'how to overall judge a woman and how to find the right woman?'. Don't men really want...good women We don't live in a time or culture that makes it a realistic goal. Vetting is a delusion that basically consists of egotistical "I used all the right criteria so it (whatever bad end result) won't happen to me". Thus in modern times a man who compromises his innate desire for sexual novelty (sure, …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 05:41 PM
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avoid illogical/emotional reasoning that makes you hold person A to a tougher standard than you hold person B to". I think holding your partners to a higher standard is optimal because you're you. It's your life. You can also choose to behave in a beneficial way to your partner notwithstanding whatever "red flags" of yours might suggest you won't, but you certainly can't make a partner with such red flags or other ones behave in a beneficial way to you. And that life of yours will be turned upsi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 05:36 PM
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The simple and unalterable fact is she's the one whose gonna have to go through muh horrors of pregnancy 🤷‍♂️ she's the one whose interests are most affected by caution or lack thereof. Just about consistently I've advocated for unmarried parenthood being fine throughout this thread, and I certainly plan to have children, and definitely don't plan to marry.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 05:34 PM
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Marriage is not permanent, we are all rootless strangers, we don't live in communities and pick partners from those communities for whom we'd have at least some kind of general social reputation to go off of. It's all based on whatever the potential partner portrays, and it'd be one thing if at least portrayals were permanent lol, but they famously aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 05:33 PM
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Interesting! That's a pretty big shift....maybe cohabitation just becomes the new marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 05:33 PM
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But I think the risk can be greatly reduced by being cautious with who you give it to and entering into any relationship slowly, continuing to evaluate the other person's motives and good will as you do that. I mean look at what the OP describes. there's nothing subtle about that. It should be easy to avoid. It is impossible to "avoid", and for the record I don't think OP's strategy is effective either. What I do think is that marriage is not permanent, we are all rootless strangers, we don't li…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 05:31 PM
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In current year the options aren't limited to "commit" or "pay", so I'd only say that you've created a false dichotomy. You're right--commitment doesn't require monogamy. However, why put oneself through the hierarchy/bureaucracy of working out polyamory? Free agency is perfectly workable, with less inconvenience.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 05:29 PM
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It doesn't have to be equivalent. Indeed, the fact that it isn't is even more salient. If it's not even possible to vet against outright abusive partners, you think it's realistic to vet against run of the mill soul draining or even just plain ol bad ones? It's egotistical delusion. I mean, it's fine ...gamble, but at least be good enough to yourself to acknowledge that that's what you're doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 05:27 PM
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There's no helpless...the simple and unalterable fact is she's the one whose gonna have to go through muh horrors of pregnancy 🤷‍♂️ she's the one whose interests are most affected by caution or lack thereof. Just about consistently I've advocated for unmarried parenthood being fine throughout this thread, and I certainly plan to have children, and definitely don't plan to marry.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 05:25 PM
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observing them in any way before deciding to enter into a relationship with them No, all women are not the same, but observations are unreliable. In a time and culture like this one, you're blindly gambling. I mean, fine, gamble, but at least be good to yourself and properly acknowledge what you're doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 05:23 PM
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Lol yeah, I mean neither are most women so there's that too
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 05:22 PM
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but it does matter for anyone who wants to have an accurate understanding of reality and avoid hypocrisy What's so bad about hypocritical preferences do you want to lock them in HyPoCrIsY jAiL lmfao why do you presume that anyone would make such important, life-altering decisions out of some misguided sense of objective consistency?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 05:22 PM
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I’m not saying it ought to be normal for women to fuck their way to the ends of the earth and then expect to “settle.” That personally is a dealbreaker There is no way to know which is which. We are all rootless strangers taking guesses. Vetting is a delusion (both for men and women)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 05:11 PM
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Also, to what extent do the things you said about women (past their prime after the age of 27, risk of exploitation and cheating, for instance) apply to men as well? Wouldn't really matter from the perspective of a man looking to date women at least
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 05:09 PM
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tells women in abusive relationships "like, just pick better ones" How's that sound
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 05:08 PM
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vet Vetting is a delusion (yes, both sides)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 05:07 PM
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vetting is a delusion (both sides)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 05:04 PM
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You can’t think of a single reason to be in a relationship other than sex? Companionship? Taking advantage of 2 for 1 schnitzel night? You don't have to commit for any of the above or any other benefit that comes from a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 05:03 PM
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The only weak thing a man can do is commit
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 05:00 PM
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Yes only needlessly forsaking sexual novelty for the same aging boring pussy in an arrangement that is no longer even permanent illustrates "cHaRactEr" lmfao how convenient
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 05:00 PM
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Vetting is a delusion
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 04:58 PM
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Those are the people who choose someone that they have sexual compatibility with and ignore all of the other things they aren't so hot at (referenced above) and then wonder why it all falls apart in a year. Vetting is a delusion
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 04:58 PM
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The woman decides whether to be on birth control. She decides whether to allow herself to be penetrated without protection. She decides whether to carry to term. Every decision that is relevant to a pregnancy ending in birth is hers (but not for much longer you a real G Amy Coney Barrett.... your fake "bOtH pArTnErS" is about to become very, very true)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 04:54 PM
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Thanks for sharing! I'm actually surprised it's as high as 42% for non-cohabiting.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 04:53 PM
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Even if it’s legal in a state, it doesn’t mean it’s properly funded or that there’s one on every block like Starbucks - a lot of states that legalize abortion still have only a few if not less, and many women can’t drive four hours across the state for an abortion. They are also expensive, and lastly of course they are not legal in many states. They are legal in every state. Availability does vary, but even in the states with maximum availability, the rates are similar to the national average, i…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 04:48 PM
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What do you mean why do so many women have kids outside of marriage? Do you mean people? Because thats not a “woman” thing, every single kid born out of wedlock has an unwed dad too lol idk why you would specify women as if she has made that child alone..? Or as if only the mother is unwed lol The woman decides whether or not the baby is born (at least for now)🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 04:47 PM
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Lol but like unironically though, you know? A man today can have any damn thing he could possibly want today without committing: sex, friendship, companionship, intimacy, adventure, even children. Why give up on new pussy
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 04:29 PM
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The key idea is not to avoid commitment (I believe a long term relationship is the only meaningful way to have a life companion and find love) Why do you believe that
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 04:27 PM
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The systems collapse also shrinks the population immensely, leading to tremendous genetic bottleneck effects. This is why anything that unwinds fitness in the mode of civilization in favor of more primitive attributes is considered dysgenic. Surely there's a middle ground that will be reached between A. A population of 7 billion people living across sophisticated societies so complex that even the people in charge don't fully grasp them and B. A population so small that it causes genetic bottlen…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 04:18 PM
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Interesting perspective, thank you for sharing I don't know how it happens in the US, but here doctors may force you to listen to the fetus's heartbeat, in some cities you have to go and get a consultation with a priest, there is the "time of silence" when a women has to think about her decision again, there are days where you just can't do an abortion. All in all they do everything they can to make women to reconsider their decision. It's probably coming soon to the US
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 04:15 PM
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Thanks for sharing, yeah it looks like if you add up 2016 married registrations and cohabiting registrations it's 80%, same as the married registration rate in 1986....so they're still there at birth but calling it something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 04:13 PM
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also don’t forget to ask yourself, why are men impregnating women that they aren’t married to? if men hate children so much you’d think they’d more consistently use BC or demand that more male BC be made. but they dont bc its easier to blame getting pregnant on a woman The woman decides whether or not the baby is born (at least for now)🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 04:10 PM
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The woman decides whether or not the baby is born (at least for now)🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 04:08 PM
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Plural of anecdote isn't data. I mean anecdote is cool as long as you don't pretend it's an unimpeachable observation. Could be "most", but your daily visits to the maternity ward don't necessarily demonstrate that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 04:06 PM
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Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 04:05 PM
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marriage is not required When a man loses a woman, there are a million other women to get. Wow wasn't expecting this (which I agree with and say pretty much all the time) after reading that first part. Marriage has been distorted to the point where it does not provides any benefit, and has humongous costs. Indeed
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 04:04 PM
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Why commit to anyone?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 04:01 PM
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Most. Most women have a partner durring birth You got any stats on that
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 11:37 AM
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have The woman decides whether or not the baby is born (at least for now)🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 11:37 AM
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The lonnnng con
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 07:10 AM
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What if society is what's maladaptive and the degenerates are actually right :0
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 06:14 AM
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No u
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 06:14 AM
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Should I bother asking why
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 05:59 AM
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Ok so go do it who said don't?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 05:38 AM
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So what? 🤷‍♂️ You're forcing on me this comparison I'm not making. At best it's analogous. In the same way she can move on if she doesn't get what she wants, so can he.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 05:38 AM
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85% of men's commitment, and their sex, isn't worth much. Undoubtedly the women who are able to lock down the 15% don't furiously scheme with ugly autists on an anonymous subreddit regarding how to get undersexed idiots to buy them a happy meal. If you have to ask, you can't afford it, whether because you lack sufficient attractiveness or sufficient feminine wiles. True, you could say something similar about TRP, but they're just looking for a quick nut. If a woman hasn't figured out how to use …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 05:34 AM
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Possibly?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 05:22 AM
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Lol they're just categorizing unmarried it doesn't specify if they are cohabiting etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 05:22 AM
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It doesn't have to be equal. It's really not that hard if some girl isn't down there's endless other girls that will be. If a guy is so patently hideous that it's just not an option and he has no choice but to pay, well, he might as well put the money in an envelope and stick it on the dresser, since in that situation the girl will be hotter--which, as you noted, is pretty much all that matters
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 05:22 AM
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If democracy doesn't work, does that mean everyone is children
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 05:21 AM
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Seems unlikely to so much as blow air on the scale, but hey, fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 05:20 AM
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Well it's just referring to unwed mothers so presumably a decent proportion
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 05:19 AM
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Well ok, true, but dude it's really not that hard. If some girl isn't down there's endless other girls that will be. If a guy is so patently hideous that it's just not an option and he has no choice but to pay, well, he might as well put the money in an envelope and stick it on the dresser, since in that situation the girl will be hotter--which, as you noted, is pretty much all that matters
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 05:18 AM
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Let's assume you're right. What do you propose be done?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 04:14 AM
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If the Abyss must take me, I will not dance in it. Suit yourself I guess 🤷‍♂️. Way I see it, you only get one life. It is to be savored, not regretted.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 03:46 AM
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Like, not everything in life will always be perfect, sometimes you just gotta keep moving though. If you keep trying to wait for things to be perfect, you won't get anywhere at all. Yeah that is so true. I think there's a lot of destructive perfectionism in swathes of this generation.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 02:43 AM
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so you have single mothers with financial support(when it can be collected) without a forced marriage for religious regions. This really isn't that complicated. Well ok, fair enough. So is this trend good, bad, or indifferent?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 02:36 AM
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Sure that's a sound theory. So how bout the other part: do you buy into the doomerism of unwed parenthood being some kind of tragedy for the children.... see it as in fact a positive...or do you believe it pretty much doesn't matter either way?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 02:32 AM
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Sure why not? We don't live in tiny tribes of 150 anymore, so at least in theory, there's a kettle for every pot--it's incumbent on every person to decide for themselves whether they want to be at the table or on the menu.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 02:30 AM
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Lol might be that it's a bimodal distribution, but suffice it to say there's plenty to go around
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 02:18 AM
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“the wage gap”. (Which by the way is almost entirely due to career choices and hours worked) Actually single women outearn single men. The "outcry" is deafeningly silent lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 02:08 AM
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So let him be your guide. If not traditional marriage as an aim, then perhaps some other noble form of relationship with women. But I doubt regular Tinder dalliances will qualify. Let me tell you brother nobility is nothing more than a scam in a time like this one. When you start playing that game, you end up being nothing more than fish food, a martyr. It's brainwashing that suckers good little middle class boys into being eaten alive like male black widow spiders. Wealthy men, poor men, and wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 02:05 AM
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we need to take our power back. 🤣 good luck with that maybe try pairing traditional expectations with traditional offerings lmao. Well, even then, it's not looking too good. You'd have to literally undo conditioning that has billions of dollars behind it and tens of millions of women in its sway.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 01:56 AM
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Also she prob won’t care what her date does after she abandons him forever for a new date that matches her normal set of standards. Also, he probably won't care what the girl does after he tosses her aside and fucks the next girl whose down. I mean we can do this all day but I'm simply pointing out the reciprocal reality. Keep it coming.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 01:54 AM
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Not every woman wants an LTR: some do, some don’t. I'm talking specifically about women who find themselves in the position of needing to seek out this type of advice; so to what end are such women seeking such advice if not an LTR?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 01:52 AM
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And you sure make a lot of assumptions there Not even one On topic I was literally responding to your points?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 01:51 AM
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If most marriages fail, so what? You still try. Try even harder perhaps. You still try to do what is right because what is right is right. Why the fuck? Who says it's so "right"? Skydaddy? On what basis are you asserting that there is some objective "ought" to your proposed metaphorical suicide mission? "Enjoy the decline!' should only be dark humor, not a life's mission statement. It's literally what's happening. You can choose to be a good little martyr and fuck your whole life up, or you can,…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 01:31 AM
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I’ve read the handbook and it’s basically like find a man of high value (not abusive, has his life together, etc) but also encourages a woman to be high value first (hobbies, interests , career). I'm not sure which handbook you're taking about but my take on dating advice for women is that if you have to ask, you can't afford it. In other words, if you're a woman, and you haven't already figured out how to effectively use the gash between your legs to manipulate some man or the other to get what…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 01:29 AM
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If your broke ass can't afford dinner, you aren't ready to date IMO Even if you can afford it, why pay for a girl you haven't fucked when tons of girls will fuck you without any such thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 01:25 AM
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Marriage, now that it is no longer permanent, is literally the only possible way a man can be living wrong and doing damage to yourself. You can control you, sure, and you can use "mUh VeTtIng", but you're playing a game in a culture and time that is decidedly stacked against marriage being a good thing for you as a man Caveat emptor
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 01:20 AM
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If she finds you lacking and doesn’t want to pay for both of your dinners or take it further after going Dutch with you, then from a practical standpoint, dont be surprised Similarly, don't be surprised if men realize they can text the next girl to be over in twenty minutes and prefer that to stuffy nonsense see I can do the thing too lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 01:18 AM
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Was it Liberty University
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 01:15 AM
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One might argue that even more economical dates add up if you go out on 10+ a month. But then again, maybe they SHOULD. Maybe if you have to go out on 10+ first/second/third dates a month you are doing something wrong and the dating process should impose a cost to prevent such behavior. Lol or you can fuck the literal plethora of women who will not require a paid meal before fucking you it's 2020 brah they're doin it live
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 01:15 AM
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🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 01:03 AM
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😢 her handbook 750 pages of "yasss slayyy kweeen" written repeatedly
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 01:02 AM
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Why resent different women for having different dating styles. Are people here broke? Why resent different men for having different dating styles? Same reason as you--cuz it's fun!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 01:00 AM
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Get to a point where you’re able hookup without going on dates, I am, and I do; I was simply explaining that that's the way I like to do it. Like sure, I'll pay for some stuff ....after I've fucked her
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 12:59 AM
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I could probably buy your family, and yet I don't see why I should pay one red cent before I've fucked a girl. If I were going to do that, I'd just as soon put it in an envelope on the dresser
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 12:58 AM
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If all you’ve known is casual encounters I don’t really understand why you think it’s weird when men pay for dates and women expect it. It’s kind of the bare minimum. Especially when both people dating have money. The last thing you worry about is pinching pennies. Haha. Just about every girl's fucked some guy for free in current year. I just find it much more spontaneous and enjoyable to do that and be that guy than to engage in the ritualistic submission/whatever you want to call it of formali…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 12:19 AM
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Good for them I guess? If one day all hot women suddenly and uniformly started holding out for their whore ransom paid dates before putting out I'm sure things would turn around, but, you know...they aren't. Thanks liberation!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 12:13 AM
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If taking a woman out is matter of complete ease It often is a matter of complete ease something about you being traditional Well it's 2020 enough women don't feel that way such that I won't ever be able to fuck all of em in 10 lifetimes much less this one, so the fact that there are some "traditional ones" (read: gender roles for me but not for thee) to weed through is basically irrelevant. Just next. y'all would take any and every woman out 🤷‍♂️ So?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 12:09 AM
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Oh indeed. And some of said women who make themselves "irresistible" fuck with very little required up front. Why buy some entitled cow when some equally attractive chill cow will give the milk for free lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 12:05 AM
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Just about every relationship I've ever been in started with casually hooking up first, then you just keep doing it and it's eventually like ok cool we can call this "a thing". I don't know where these aliens thinking dating is some fuckin '50s style providership ritual come from but I can't imagine it's a big city in America in 2020.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 12:04 AM
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Well men need to stop saying “I take what I can get” which means they know they are not top tier in looks yet still be curving girls I mean it is what it is. Everyone knows deep down that there's only two options: A. take what the market gives you now, or B. improve yourself until the market gives you what you want. The people who go with A. inevitably end up some flavor of miserable, given current circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 12:03 AM
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Heh good thing there are always other women Tell that to the women who are successful with that strategy. Of course ain't nothing wrong with that either. Let them entrap the suckers into their web of disappointment if a guy lets himself be played that's 100% his fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 11:55 PM
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If you don't ask, you don't get. Far better than settling for medicority.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 11:52 PM
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However I have never been on a date where the guy does not pay for the meal, drinks or outing. But a date? dating can be expensive, if you cannot afford to date maybe take a pause, work on yourself and come back when you can. A woman has options, she has no incentive to date a guy who makes her “prove her romantic interest” when another guy will pay for her without hesitating. Even if you can "afford" to date, why pay when women are fucking for free in current year? You can thank your liberated …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 11:50 PM
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Except for orgasms, apparently
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 11:39 PM
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Not very likely. Not with that attitude Plus there’s all that stigma for having to pay for it... Well you don't go around announcing it lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 11:37 PM
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If you can't afford to date, either change where you go for dates or work on yourself and stay single. Even if you can "afford" to date, why pay when women are fucking for free in current year? You can thank your liberated sisters for making your proposition an idiotic and losing one for a man--in current year, odds are she's fucked someone else without having their meal paid for (or even getting a real first name in many instances)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 11:32 PM
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Perhaps it's just me, but I've been on quite a few dates where there was a very big financial gap between me and the guy, largely as a function of my admittedly weird living situation. I'm more than happy to split the bill at the kinds of places within my budget (think cozy neighborhood pubs, family-run ethnic restaurants, etc.), but if a guy says he would prefer to go for custom-made cocktails and aged Wagyu, he had better well be treating me, because I can't afford that sort of thing Yeah it's…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 11:28 PM
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men need to pay or not date, there is no 50-50, that's for friends. Or, you know, just go with the plethora of women in current year who will fuck you without expecting their meal to be paid for
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 11:26 PM
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Yeah what men should do is just not pay anything sex until they've fucked the girl
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 11:24 PM
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Casual sex isn't the goal for women. Its high risk low reward. 99% of us can't even get off with some random fuckboi. And yet there are plenty of women who willingly do it anyway. Whether it's because they're just trying it out, or not all of them have as bad of experiences as you, or whatever the case may be. The masculinity and attractiveness of the male partner are predictive of whether the woman will orgasm, so not to be crude but maybe you're not hot enough to attract orgasmogenic men? Rega…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 11:22 PM
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Only that one might as well stick to girls for whom he is that guy
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 11:20 PM
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Good thing there are always alternatives to you (/similar minded) 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 11:13 PM
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Fuck that she can go wash dishes to pay off her share if she "forgot" lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 11:08 PM
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I just have less going for me in the looks/status/game categories so I supplement it with money to get laid In current year odds are she's fucked some other guy not only without having her meal paid for, but possibly without even getting an actual first name. So, you know, a guy should find girls for whom he is that guy, or if he's gonna pay, might as well pay directly and put the money in an envelope on the dresser because those girls will at least be hotter
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 11:08 PM
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Odds are she's fucked some other guy not only without having her meal paid for, but possibly without even getting an actual first name (maybe you haven't, but good thing there is a whole society of women who aren't just you). So, you know, a guy should find girls for whom he is that guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 11:06 PM
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Women are not men and I don't expect them to pay the masculine role. Some men are so neurotic about being used that spending money on a meal is a major deal breaker for them. Who gives a shit? Odds are she's fucked some other guy not only without having her meal paid for, but possibly without even getting an actual first name. So, you know, a guy should find girls for whom he is that guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 11:05 PM
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Good thing there's always more women where that came from 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 11:03 PM
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You’ve been interested in her for awhile, and you’re hoping this date will lead to whatever it is you’re looking for. Do you genuinely believe it’s going to be a good idea to ask her to pay half of the bill on the first date? No. She’s going to think you’re a fucking loser. You boys are missing out on all the fun and experiences you’re looking for worrying to much about the almighty dollar and how others might perceive you for spending money on a woman It's 2020. Odds are she's fucked some other…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 11:02 PM
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Ain't no feeling like pussy. Soon as they replicate that your proposition will probably be a pretty attractive one!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 11:01 PM
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men still should be shamed. No, women should be shamed 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 11:00 PM
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-world_hypothesis#:~:text=The%20just-world%20fallacy%20or,all%20evil%20actions%20eventually%20punished.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 10:58 PM
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Similarly, those men can just say, "Okay, all the power to you" and date someone who does not demand to be treated like a glorified whore (or, you know, he can just pay an actual whore directly--she'll be hotter after all)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 10:57 PM
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And if you pay directly the woman will be hotter, blonder (lmao you know what I mean), tighter, and won't demand you to stick around until she becomes increasingly boring and aging, so that she can be seamlessly replaced with someone younger as soon as her looks relative to her competitors hit their expiration date in a year or so (not only younger, but also novel to the man). However hot a woman is, she can't be multiple women at the same time, and as the saying goes Behind every hot woman is a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 09:22 PM
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Yeah for sure given that there are women who don't demand you pay The Many men would happily be "used" for finances if it gives them access to a Higher Value Woman. might as well put the money in an envelope on the dresser if that's the approach
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 08:43 PM
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The fact that men are expected to ask kind of swallows up your rule. It's pretty simple though. If the man (who is culturally expected to ask, and asked) doesn't want to pay for the girl, he shouldn't pay for the girl. Problem solved.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 08:26 PM
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The reality is that the decision point lies with the man, in that if he doesn't want to pay for her meal, he simply, you know, shouldn't pay.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 08:25 PM
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They may not have the intent, but the intent has them. Again, when it was 5% divorce rates, understandable that people would treat it as something to not need to consider, but with the rates what they are now, there's simply no way to know if that fate awaits you, regardless of "mUh VeTtInG sKiLlS"...thus at the least when people choose to make that incomprehensibly moronic decision to marry, they are at the least doing so with the very clear and present possibility of divorce, whether or not th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 08:23 PM
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No u
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 08:21 PM
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You specifically said “bar whore” a slutty woman who decides to have kid by one of her slutty encounters is probably not going to be a great mom. Otherwise Idk why a decent woman would choose to have kid by a rando dude whose reason for not marrying is that he thinks all women are “gold diggers”. Who cares why she does it. They do. A lot of people still think that way heck even people who have kids out of marriage think that way usually they just have kids by accident most child born out of marr…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 03:43 AM
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And assets can be split however the couple wants anyways There are laws that determine how they're split. Unlikely that someone will just be like "oh sure you can have it however you want fuck the laws giving me the right to half" I swear the imaginary world you make up to suit your arguments, I don't know whether to deem it naive or shameful pandering because it's hard to know if you're being sincere or delusional y’all are just making up boogey men to hide the fact that your mad a woman can le…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 03:41 AM
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I just mean if he's truly worried about it, he can voluntarily choose to do it. I'm not saying he would be. I would agree that virtually no one would but not being forced into it is a pretty good reason to avoid the worthless imprisonment of marriage. Checking those boxes like retard drones, as compelling as it seems to be to those who do, is neurotic and gross
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 03:38 AM
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Yes the only reality that exists is the one you imagine for the convenience of your internet arguments lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 03:37 AM
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Yeah like it'd be nice to not have to worry about making time to eat or feeling pain when you touch a hot stove or anything else for that matter. The easier life is, the less demands on psyche there are, the better. But thems the breaks.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 12:20 AM
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Who would want to seriously be partnered with someone who is a loser deadbeat, not matter how attractive they are? Men in the military, for one (since it's related to topic)--though part of it is that there are strong financial incentives to be married when in the military. Other men as well, no doubt. Hotness can overcome a lot of other shortcomings for many men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 12:17 AM
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Poorly educated/low earning women statistically speaking. I'm guessing this is related to abstinence only education and the cycle of poverty. The stats are pretty similar around the country (California, for example, is actually above average and certainly doesn't engage in abstinence only education). Poverty might have something to do with, but it's not like it's exclusively poor/poorly educated women doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 12:10 AM
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If one feels the need to blame weak men for having to deal with shit testing (not you specifically, I'm just saying the premise in general), doesn't that then make them "weak" as well? That's the thing with distinguishing weak v strong; as soon as you start doing that, anyone who can't tolerate anything falls within the weak bucket.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 10:27 PM
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Sure, and yet many women have kids out of wedlock anyway (over half of millennials), meaning that despite assertions to the contrary, men absolutely do not have to subject themselves the the lopsided prospect of marriage (however justified from a woman's perspective the lopsidedness towards her may be), because there are alternative women who would not demand marriage as a prerequisite to bearing children even if it is in their best interest to do so
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 10:26 PM
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Nah I understand that but regardless of whether one chooses not to acknowledge it, there is a scorecard, and in the event of divorce, it weighs against the higher earner, 2/3 of whom are men. You're right, once you've succumbed to the tragedy of signing on the dotted line, not much you can do about it. Simply put my opinion is that that gamble was worth it when marriage was a permanent arrangement, but is basically bandwagoning self mutilation now that it isn't. To that extent, I suppose we do a…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 10:24 PM
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Roughly 2/3
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 10:22 PM
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As with anything else, each individual must weigh accordant risks and rewards for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 08:16 PM
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Whose to say they would even choose their career path if they never thought they would get married? Yeah this is a pretty good point the achiever class almost by definition has been groomed from basically childhood to meet the expectations placed on it, which includes education/ career but which also includes marriage, so it would stand to reason that people who spend their whole lives being groomed for box checking would be disproportionately likely to want to check the marriage box for its own…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 07:16 PM
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Where did I say that all of those things have to be found in the same person? In fact, that's arguably a substantial reason why so many people find their relationships disappointing: they expect their partner to be EVERYTHING to them: friend, emotional spilling confidant, lover, financial partner, co-parent, and so on. It was not so before.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 07:13 PM
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gold digging if the woman is doing that out of consideration for a potential family vs. out of selfishness & just wanting to spend someone else’s money. Arguably what's called "gold digging" is just a specific use case of that desire....looking for signaling of abundant resources to to best ensure optimal outcome for potential family. i said it’s cultural because let’s not forget the fact that when a wife outearns her husband, their marriage is more likely to end in divorce as a lot of men can’t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 07:04 PM
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but that could be due to selection That would be my take, yeah. "Marriageable" men earn more. I don't if this was in another response to you but it's not like men can suddenly start deciding to earn more money upon marriage. They almost certainly already had to be on the trajectory, which would support the conclusion that it's selection.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 07:01 PM
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Both. Might as well stop playing pretend!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 07:00 PM
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More is more, whether it's double or a ten thousand more. One of the reasons women might want someone who makes at least a little more is to give them room to "prioritize work life balance" once they have kids. But the fact remains that some kind of selection pressure is at work because otherwise, more than 38% of women would outearn their husbands, especially considering that single women outearn single men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 06:49 PM
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Okay and that’s your mistake since finanaces are not the end all be all precisely because women don’t “get paid” to care for their own kids. Consider it then the price a man pays for their child to be raised by their mother (who isn’t stressed by finances) instead of strangers and to have a roof over their head. If he's truly worried about that he can voluntarily give her money on top of child support instead of being legally mandated to split assets he contributed more money to (again, only rel…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 06:47 PM
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If you are going to buy the nicest house you can afford together you are going to end up splitting the mortgage anyway, married or not. But that's my whole point right. The higher earner is of course going to contribute more. But they're going to end up with just half at the end if they're married. If one makes 40K and the other makes 50, and you insist on some nickel and dime split, your relationship won’t last...married or not. The point is what happens when the marriage/nonmarital relationshi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 06:44 PM
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looking to marry a man who makes just as much as you or more Two different things. That's my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 06:42 PM
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If it wasn't for DeCeNt WoMeN (lmfao) I would've never seen women for what they are...I suppose I owe them a debt of gratitude for allowing me to avoid becoming an exploited sucker like so many men
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 06:41 PM
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How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 06:39 PM
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And lol at understanding women clearly you don’t even know what the word understanding means. Just gotta know enough to keep the dick wet and avoid being harmed or inconvenienced But I highly doubt you attracting any quality women with that language. So yea that could also be contributing to your very obvious biases. And yes I do think I’m better because a person who can control their tongue has a lot better self control than the one who can’t. That’s ancient wisdom right there. Ancient wise peo…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 06:28 PM
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well that’s easy, because men are paid more since their labor is considered to be worth more & they also tend to work in fields that pay people more. So you're saying both that men reliably earn more, but also saying men uniformly earn only slightly more than their wives? Maybe it's your point I'm missing; for one thing, single women outearn single men. Surely that would suggest that the direction that the income direction in which women are choosing when picking a marital partner is upward.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 06:26 PM
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I'm talking about strictly financially. What's this vomit thing have to do with is she'd have to do it alone and with no help during her time with the kid if she were unmarried Please take several seats
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 06:24 PM
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Well ok cool, we've got a source; however turns out having a wife unless I'm missing something, the article didn't say anything about having a wife. It did say that men with children whom they live with experienced higher relative earnings
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 06:22 PM
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As in why do men outearn their wives so consistently (someone cited 62% as the statistic.)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 06:19 PM
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You're making all these assumptions that just aren't true. There's a lot of people in the world, and no one man can fuck or be friends with all of them even if he wanted to. My point is that a man can meet all of these needs without monogamously committing to anyone. We don't live in tribes of 150 people any more. There are truly many kettles for every pot
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 06:18 PM
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Man puts in 60, woman puts in 40, but at divorce she still gets 50. Does not compute.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 06:17 PM
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Eww you are vile but probably still blaming “women” why no one wants you. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-world_hypothesis#:~:text=The%20just-world%20fallacy%20or,all%20evil%20actions%20eventually%20punished. It’s always the most disgusting uncouth males complaining about women. Maybe if you were a decent person you could attract a decent woman. Alas, I wouldn't have had my front row seat to understanding women's wickedness if they weren't attracted to me. Maybe that would've been better lm…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 06:16 PM
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You did since you think her getting the assets (which she most likely invested in anyways) Disproportionately less, if she's the lower earner, yet assets are split exactly equally and alimony (which is definitely not always granted) Agreed, it's far from a guarantee
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 06:13 PM
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Generally speaking all things being equal it is better for kids to have married parents than not even if those parents divorce later. Kids of divorce still fair better than kids of single parents Says who: and it does incentivize father’s to maintain a relationship. Ah I see. Well that's kind of on the guy. He can decide to be involved. He can decide not to be involved. "I should weigh myself down so I have incentive to be involved because otherwise I won't", well, that doesn't make.much sense. …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 06:10 PM
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Well, that's assuming they don't cut back on work, as so many women do once mothers, but yeah, the principle is correct, as far as the financial aspects of marriage (though that leaves its many non financial ones).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 05:49 PM
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No not in terms of alimony just the percentages of higher earners. She's saying "oh well they're pretty close in income anyway", but then if it's irrelevant to those women you'd think many more of the higher earners in those close calls would be women than are as it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 05:43 PM
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Who thinks you need to marry to have kids? No one. A lot of guys be like "I woild never want to marry except how else am I going to have children you have to marry or it's bad", probably because so many people blandly repeat Getting married is a good idea if you want kids since its good for them and allows both parents to be active in their lives together. Usually when people aren’t married one oarebt sees the kid way less. without accounting for the fact that marriages are no longer permanent (…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 05:42 PM
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so yes just marry a woman who earns well and you should be fine. As I mentioned in the post any of this only comes into play with unequal earners. If they earn equally, it's moot. I think your post is more about you being mad that women leave men then it is about any desire to “save money” My post was about inaccurate comparisons. But yeah, true. If marriage isn't permanent, it's basically toilet paper from a man's perspective, because that's really the only thing that made it worth doing in the…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 05:37 PM
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Who said it is?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 05:33 PM
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Sharing utilities, cable, mortgage, ....the net worth sum together is greater than the parts. Two don’t live as cheaply as one, but they both certainly benefit by sharing housing costs No need to marry or even be in a relationship with someone to share costs ya know. True, but also true that together they typically have way more to split than singles. To resent that you may pay a bit more, but still coming away with more than if you had been single, it’s like cutting off your nose to spite your …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 05:32 PM
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just be honest about it. Where's this even coming from wasn't the discussion about the only options being prostitutes or signing over your life's work to some dumb hole when every damn thing she could possibly offer you can be gotten for free in current year (sex, friendship, intimacy, companionship, and even children)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 05:30 PM
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If it's so irrelevant, why does it hold true so consistently? You'd think those "close calls" would play out much more evenly if what you were saying/implying were true. My take is that women pick men who they know can support them scaling back when they want to for kids or whatever. Which, like, is fine, but also is what it is. Money is a reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 05:28 PM
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But he would've had to do that while together anyway. At worst it's about the same amount of time he'd have to spend, this about the same amount of childcare expense he'd have to spend.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 05:25 PM
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They can. I don’t know if you are trying to “threaten” women with that but its not really a threat at all. I was simply responding to your point by pointing out what men who want children would be far better off doing rather than marrying. Says quute a bit that you would call that a "threat". It's just a reality. You don't need to marry to have kids. At the end of the day you would still be competing with the many other men who have sex with the “bar slut” ( If you're marriageable you'll be a go…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 05:22 PM
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Hahah fair
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 05:18 PM
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That assumes women don’t contribute to the assets and that they always get alimony. I was just restating what I'd already elaborated with a bunch of qualifiers in the other response to you. If the man is the higher earner, he contributes disproportionately more to asset acquisition, but still the assets are split equally upon divorce, and yes, possibly alimony, no guarantees on that one. And again, as said elsewhere if the man isn't the higher earner, it's kind of a moot point. Divorce laws favo…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 05:17 PM
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It has been shown that a married man after having a child will put in more hours at work, ask for a raise etc.. It has been shown? By whom? Your expedient fantasizing? I didn't see a link or a reference or even so much as a measly anecdote "it has been shown" lmfao so pompous. but if you are a single man with a decent paying job why would you push yourself to work more hours and have less freedom for extra money that you don’t really need? Have to more money to pay the dumb whores directly to fu…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 05:15 PM
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It doesnt invalidate the fact that people are spewing fake informations about prenups. The literal assertions are untrue, but the underlying anxieties are very real and very salient. This guy probably explained it better than I could.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 02:38 PM
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abuse is not related to alimony It's specifically enumerated as one of the factors to determine the permanent amount (maybe not in every state). Agreed that it doesn't invalidate the prenup waiver, for now. why are you all hysterical about alimony? alimony has largely been abolished din the US except for pendente lite and sometimes a few years of rehabilitative maintenance. Half the length of the marriage if it wasn't "long term", potentially longer than that if it was dont have a SAHM and you w…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 02:36 PM
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No I don't ...I think you meant to respond to the other person's comment?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 02:32 PM
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That's fair enough, but as a practical matter, what seems most salient is the "what". I mean not to understate that you've given an explanation that is totally missing from the discussion, that this would mean advocacy on this topic would be best directed at the legal system as a whole, etc. But as far as guys deciding whether to get married?: You would be just as screwed over if a business associate breached an agreement and you had to file a Breach of Contract claim in district court to enforc…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 02:31 PM
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It is as much a guarantee as any contract. You can argue that a contract is not a guarantee indeed, nothing is ever guaranteed in life. Yes, and yet, the risks that one takes ought to be those, and only those, which are worth taking. A man can have sex, friendship, intimacy, companionship, and even children without marriage now. What is the payoff of this risk? Nothing Everyone here keep implying the woman can just nicely ask the judge to waive the prenup and the judge will agree, but facts show…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 02:19 PM
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what they actually do The fact remains that they can make those choices. If they're the higher earner, whatever house they're buying (or any other asset), the higher earner is paying more for it, and yet the house gets divided exactly equally in divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 02:17 PM
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Say you waive alimony in a prenup, but then there's abuse. Abuse can be used as a factor in determining/increasing alimony. Can abuse undo the waiver? Maybe not today, but ostensibly it might end up there someday.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 02:14 PM
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I think quite simply if a manospherean doesn't like the risk of marriage then he should just never marry in the first place and stay single That is the whole point of the discussions and their ultimate conclusion
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 02:12 PM
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I seriously doubt the absence of an attorney is the only factor a judge would need to overthrow a contract The other side does need to have been advised an attorney, at least in many places, for it to be upheld.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 02:06 PM
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I think its a popular myth because it adds credence to a lot of manosphere anxieties. Especially when painting women with an "evil" brush. The idea that prenups do not offer adequate protection is helpful to spreading that narrative of making men afraid of or at least distrustful of all women. Again its the concept of "divorce r*pe". Given all that you've said below, it sounds like you take the expressed "anxieties" literally, but not seriously
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 02:03 PM
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The guy could start earning a lot more during marriage, and then they buy more assets, which will be divided equally absent a prenup
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 02:00 PM
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So it doesn’t make any sense to generalize women as goldiggers who get rich through marriage- there is no value in marrying the vast majority of you, and you can’t provide anything that she can’t provide herself. Majority of men outearn their wives
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 01:59 PM
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If you agree with this: why do you think this myth is so popular on this subreddit? Some people need guarantees, and a prenup is not a guarantee. • If you don't agree with this: can you provide any information, even just one case of law, where a prenup was unfairly waived by a judge ? (please no story about "the cousin of a guy I know", those stories are usually already fake or greatly exaggerated by the time you hear them). "Unfairly". Well that's the thing, the way the law evolves and figures …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 01:37 PM
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Similarly, men don't need to marry to have children, so they can just knock up some bar whore (they're all whores, as you so eloquently explained), pay child support, see the kid, the end, no putting your finances at risk for some golddigging complaining used up narcisstic pseudo prostitute
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 01:33 PM
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is if we assume that she would be responsible for the kid financially and for his childcare 75% custody, receives child support while simultaneously assuming that an unmarried man with a kid wouldn’t be responsible for their kid’s care or their finances 25% custody, pays child support
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 01:30 PM
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So you aren’t comparing apples to apples you are assuming if a man never marries that he won’t have to care for his kid and he won’t have to pay for them. He will have to pay child support He will have to take care of the kid 25% of the time What else?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 01:29 PM
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having a child Ah yes so the tipping point is having a child. Which is a choice. So given their desire for children, are they better off financially when divorced with a kid, or never married with a kid? Clearly, divorced with a kid, because asset split plus alimony, in addition to child support While unmarried, she would just receive child support
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 01:28 PM
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If you're not the higher earning partner, the financial downsides aren't really relevant. If you are, you could've bought your own house without the marital quagmire, since as you noted, it's possible to buy a home single Single women are now 17% of the home buying market, single men are only 9%.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 01:26 PM
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Hah women fuck for free now you don't even have to give them a first name, much less a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 01:24 PM
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Fuck man: control for everything else the only variable is divorce v never married So let's say both had kids Both pay child support as ordered The man is a higher earner because otherwise the conversation is moot Man A, has kids but unmarried: pays child support Man B, has kids, divorced: pays child support, AND assets were split equally even though he contributed more to them financially (as the higher earner), AND possibly paying alimony
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 01:23 PM
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All those facts point lead to the conclusion that marriage encourages men to earn more while having the exact opposite effect for women. Motivated, false thinking: As of now if a woman never marries (and never has kids) and never has kids Many of the dumb cunts seem to have a fetish for it though no matter how destructive it is to their bodies and pocketbooks and etc. I also want to add that the main reason men even push themselves to make money is because they get married. 🤣 they had to be on a…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 01:21 PM
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All things being equal a man who is paying child support is financially worse off than a man who doesn’t. No they both pay child support, right, but the divorced guy if higher earning also had to part with assets as though paid for equally when odds are he paid more for their acquisition, and possibly alimony in addition Stupid
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 01:12 PM
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You don't have to get into a relationship with a woman to have sex with a woman this isn't saudi arabia
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 05:28 AM
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Even so, you can still have a successful well earning career as a single, never married mother. One that you wouldn't of had while married playing a supportive role to a husband... You can climb Mount Everest. Will you? Single mothers aren't exactly known for having stellar financial lives: Why does she have a kid regardless? Maybe she wouldn't have one if she didn't get married, since it's generally a horrible idea to have kid while single? Absolutely. So that's to be built into the model: how …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 04:59 AM
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she couldn't have acquired that and more if she was single. Nobody knows what her path could of been if she never got married, except you apparently, which is why I'm curious as to where you're getting your information from... While still having a kid? I dunno man like super elementary inference. Can't teach em all I guess 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 04:07 AM
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Well like the intro stages, instead of chatting back and forth over text etc
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 03:32 AM
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There's also the possibility that the fact that there's any decline at all is cultural. Culture sometimes operates to undermine hard wired preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 03:12 AM
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Someone's going to make a fortune off of video dating
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 02:11 AM
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Yes but why change the circumstances so differently for our hypothetical woman than for our hypothetical man? How is it changing? Of course if he’s able to rely on his baby mamma to do the vast majority of both care and financial support while he just provides some child support and can still climb the career ladder he’s better off? Of course that also assumes had he been married he would similarly have done the minimum in terms of care and financial support - yes? Once there is a divorce, they'…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 10:56 PM
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Playing the 'what if' Game on these marriages, with the alimony etc quite long marriages is a difficult web to untangle. There's lots of events and decisions that could play out completly differently. Not really. If it were not the case that having more money made men more marriageable, that would be one thing
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 10:53 PM
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Because it's the woman's finances we're talking about, and he can't force her to stay home if she doesn't want to, in the same way I don't blame women for marriage being a money pit for men/the higher earning partner in the event of divorce--it's his own fault for making such a dumb fuck choice as to choose to get married lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 10:51 PM
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Well that’s kinda changing the circumstances isn’t it? We assume the non married mother is a single mother responsible for all the child care and cost but for our hypothetical single father we assume otherwise? Taking unmarried coparents who aren't together, mom isn't responsible for all the childcare and cost, but the odds are that she will be responsible for the majority of timeshare, and she'll get child support to cover some of the costs....but that's it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 10:44 PM
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What I am saying is that single women are solely responsible for their household income, married women are not. Therefore, the choices that a married woman and her husband make together will prioritize their children and family over a paycheck. Single women do not have that luxury So this is your argument for why divorced women with children are finacially worse off than unmarried women with children? Because divorced women had the luxury of (but not the obligation to) prioritize things other th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 10:41 PM
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Peter Pan syndrome It's funny how there's no mainstream term for the wide swathe of women who do and have the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 10:36 PM
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Doesn't everyone, by definition
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 10:34 PM
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married men earn much more than single men. Think into that, and it reveals nothing more than that men who earn more are marriageable. But just because you're marriageable doesn't mean you must choose to marry.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 10:30 PM
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They’ve presumably made the decision that it makes sense for her to step back from work, and that is not a luxury that a single mom has But doing so isn't inherent to being married. It's a luxury, and it's a choice. A married woman can also choose to be back at work the next day after giving birth (I'm sure some married women do). Your take is like saying divorced women are worse off than single women because their dual income allowed her to afford and made her want to take yearly trips abroad.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 10:26 PM
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It's not just alimony. Assets are divided equally in divorce, meaning the lower earning partner gets half the assets even though they almost certainly contributed less (if anything at all, depending on the situation) to acquisition of said assets.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 10:22 PM
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doesn’t the same logic apply and men would similarly be worse off if they had kids to take care of and were unmarried? How so? He keeps all his assets. No chance of spousal support. Odds are the woman has majority custody so childcare isn't really his problem most of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 10:21 PM
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Yes, and you’re ignoring that not only do women lose career traction through marriage and child rearing - setting themselves back behind their single and child free peers to begin with They chose to have kids, and once they do the career traction loss is a given either way: so would they be financially better off if they had children unmarried versus having divorced? How would the former even be possible? You get zero of the other person's assets and no chance of alimony if unmarried. Just child…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 10:19 PM
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Actually in 2014, 38% of women out-earned their husbands, Just because it (hypergamy, whatever) is declining doesn't mean it's non-existent. 38% is decidedly less than 50%. Now when it's at 50-50 we can talk (there's a distinct possibility that the trend in this direction has maxed out, but maybe not).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 10:15 PM
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Yeah when the partners earn about equally it's not really "divorce rape" because you presumably contributed about equally to acquisition of the assets that will get divided up in divorce, and there won't be spousal support. I do have as a premise that the divorce laws favor the lower earning partner--if there isn't a lower earning partner because their earnings are equal, "divorce rape" doesn't really enter the picture anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 10:11 PM
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It sounds like you want to compare some imaginary never-married career track on his part to some imaginary single parent track on her part. Neither happened, so why are you comparing hypotheticals instead of the actual cold, hard reality? Comparing his never married finances to his divorce finances. Comparing her never married finances to her divorce finances.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 10:08 PM
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A prenup is whatever the people agree to. There's nothing stopping women from refusing to marry unless they get the terms they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 10:07 PM
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You would rather compare mothers who got divorced with mothers who were never married and use that comparison to say Women who got divorced are better off financially than they otherwise would've been if they'd never married men have it worse? The relevant comparison for men, similarly, is if the man who got divorced is better off financially than he otherwise would've been if he'd never married. Whatever comparing the man to the woman post divorce might be salient to, it's not a salient respons…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 10:06 PM
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Sure and a prenup can do that and much more. It's kind of a shame it has this reputation of "soulless fucking over of your beloved" (and usually from the perspective of the woman feeling this way). Basically if it's permissible by law, you can agree to it in a prenup.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 10:02 PM
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How is them being better off than their wives after divorce relevant to whether they're being divorce raped? He is an individual, and there was a time when he wasn't married, right? That's why what's relevant is if his finances are better or worse from divorce than if they'd never married.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 10:00 PM
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If you have an oops baby when you are in your early 20's, you can continue on a normal career trajectory after ~5 years of struggling. If you were married and had a baby in your early 30's and took 5 years off work and then got divorced, that seems like a worse situation to be i If she was able to take 5 years off work the likelihood is that the other partner was a high earner, and in a situation where she took 5 years off and is a higher earner, she will not only get a share of the assets in di…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 09:58 PM
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Like a prenup
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 09:54 PM
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But that's the topic at hand-- maybe you're not one of the people who says this, but I'm talking about discussions where: Person A: men face bad financial consequences in divorce (ie, "divorce rape") Person B: women end up financially worse off in divorce than men That's not relevant to the question of "divorce rape". What's relevant is whether divorce made the man worse off than he otherwise would've been if he hadn't married in the first place, and whether divorce made the woman worse off than…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 09:51 PM
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Child support is exactly the same whether you're divorced or unmarried.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 09:47 PM
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You assume that most women's career and income path is unaffected by marriage, in that regardless if they were married or not, the women's personal income would remain unchanged My position is that it would be affected either way, but that the effects would be worse for unmarried women should they have children.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 09:46 PM
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I mean those are fair points but specifically financially, I think it's almost unquestionable that unmarried women who have kids will be in a worse off position than women who divorced who had kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 09:44 PM
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And if the women were unmarried, and having to deal with all those issues (assuming they want children), how would they be financially better off than being married? How would the man be any worse off financially having children unmarried rather than married? The expectation is that they will stay together forever Sorry but that's pretty laughable maybe when the divorce rate was 5% (in living memory!) Now I'd say it's more like a hope
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 09:43 PM
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That's overall. For millennials it's 55%
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 09:41 PM
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Some of the responses indicate that women cut back on work when they have children, so even if they were a higher earner at the beginning, they won't be once children are involved. The statistics bear that out. Really the relevant comparison, if the woman wants kids, is if she's better off having them married or unmarried.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 09:39 PM
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If you don't want to get married, then don't. Problem solved. But if you want to have any type of LTR then you accept the risk of a messy and painful breakup regardless of whether or not you end up losing money in the deal. And, if you married someone who continued to work throughout the marriage and could support herself, it's unlikely spousal support would be awarded at all - it is generally only granted in situations in which one party (usually the woman but not always) is out of the workforc…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 09:37 PM
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No she's in a better position than if she hadn't married
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 09:35 PM
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But again, why is it relevant that the man is better off than the woman if the woman can never be a man? If anything, wouldn't the relevant comparison be whether--for the example of having kids--she is better off having the kid while married or while unmarried? That's a thing now, and in fact constitutes most births in this generation.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 09:35 PM
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it makes sense why that's not the default comparison. It's true that we can't run the hypothetical alternatives, but just because yours is the only possible comparison doesn't mean it's a sound one. How do you figure? I mean whatever assumptions are baked into this assertion, you could just as plausibly make the opposite assertion that the man would've kept on his earning trajectory if he had not married, just now he doesn't face the downside of divorce laws which favor the lower earning partner…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 09:26 PM
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both parties typically end up worse off when households are separated. There would be no separation of households in the first.place if they never married However, in the long run, the party who did not interrupt his career path is going to be better off than the party who did. You're again comparing the man and the woman to each other. If you're assuming that marriage is a prerequisite if a man wants to have a child, well...it's just not true. Most births in this generation are in fact out of w…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 09:18 PM
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He is better off for having been married. How do you figure? I mean whatever assumptions are baked into this assertion, you could just as plausibly make the opposite assertion that the man would've kept on his earning trajectory if he had not married, just now he doesn't face the downside of divorce laws which favor the lower earning partner. Married women generally earn less than single women their age though. Could it be that lower earning women have more incentive to marry then their higher e…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 09:15 PM
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Married men make more money than single men. But the pool is not a uniform pool, because men with more money are more marriageable in the first place. It would still end up that divorced men make more money than young never married men. Is the man better off financially but for having been through the divorce? Given that divorce laws favor the higher earning partner, and most men outearn their wives, the answer is usually going to be no. Hell, you can even compare that to unmarried men of the sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 08:39 PM
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Divorced men are better off financially than their ex wives Why is that the relevant comparison? I would think the relevant comparison would be whether the individuals are each better or worse off when comparing their finances before marriage to after divorce Men in general tend to be better off financially (especially "marriageable" men) so why is it surprising that men would be financially better off after the divorce than the woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 08:29 PM
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It's not in your best interest to rape animals because it harms living and sometimes sentient animals. The ones doing it are not understanding that. You see that they're not understanding that, right? If they understood that, THEY WOULDN'T FUCKING DO IT
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 06:40 PM
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If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life Never make a pretty woman your wife So from my personal point of view Get an ugly girl to marry you
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 05:47 PM
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more worried about men getting penis cancer from raping animals than men raping animals: Studying whether smoking causes cancer doesn't meant the researchers condone smoking. If anything the best way to deter idiots from idiocy is pointing out why it is not in their interest. Clearly whatever measures are presently in place in BRAZIL aren't sufficient to stop this shit from happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 05:46 PM
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interacting with them is so much more pleasant Ornament
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 05:41 PM
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