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People claim to be against gender roles, but then demand them up front, complain when they aren't upheld, and often don't feel attraction if they aren't there.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 08:25 PM
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The church was a massive institution of control, but they fought over jurisdiction with the clans (I said tribes, but I guess clan is the more proper term). Some think the church's marriage reform actually was for the purpose of breaking up the clans.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 03:35 PM
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Household specialization is a thing, and no I'm not going to explain to you how people function when you're fighting me at every turn.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 03:17 PM
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It's not about capability. The carpenter doesn't tell the mechanic "fuck off, I can fix my own car".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 03:11 PM
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Nope
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 03:03 PM
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Anything and everything. Do you think children don't need parents? Do you think we don't need cops? Do we not need advisors of any sort? Do we not need assistants? Shrinks?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 03:02 PM
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all the ones I've studied suggest parental permission and feudal lords decided who women could wed Do you think this didn't exist for men? In any case, my point is that women were specifically granted freedoms to choose by the church. This may have overruled some of the local tribal traditions.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 02:41 PM
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So, the system was self-regulating. It wasn't men waging war against women for millennia. People don't work that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 02:27 PM
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And if you mistreated your wife, her family members would hear about it too.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 02:23 PM
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Sex is replaceable
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 02:22 PM
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Men did a lot of things that they didn't want to do too.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 02:14 PM
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History is replete with examples of men being treated as property. That doesn't mean men were generally viewed as property. Same with women. I suggest you look into how much choice women had in the Middle Ages. Try new sources.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:08 PM
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And yet you're still clueless as to why I don't want to talk to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:07 PM
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Why would I want to get back at you? I don't enjoy talking with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:01 PM
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Why a third? Why not a tenth? Why not half? What is your internal imaginative scale?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:00 PM
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I already presented my argument in OP. I think you're not being reasonable. I don't have to address your argument any further.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 12:25 PM
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Women were not property. You have a poor understanding of legal code.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 12:22 PM
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Ok, so what would being looked after entail?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 12:10 PM
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The absence of precise statistics from a time before systematic documentation was a thing isn't evidence that it was rare. What we do know is that adultery appears constantly throughout historical records, literature, court proceedings, legal codes, letters, and church documents, across cultures and centuries. Societies don't devote enormous legal and religious effort towards regulating behaviour that is vanishingly uncommon. Or, they devote enormous resources towards rare behavior that is extre…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 12:10 PM
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Do you not think being looked after counts as protecting?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 11:59 AM
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I have a bad internet connection. Reddit says "comment failed", so I resubmit. I'm not screaming anything. You made an extreme presupposition and pretended it was normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 11:27 AM
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*Protect them
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 10:37 AM
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No, what was radical was the thesis that all women were being abused by marriage and gender roles, so it had to end.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 10:37 AM
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As I said, this is a rich field of thought and research, but what I was pulling on was this: Assurance is expecting good behavior because the incentive structure guarantees it — monitoring, sanctions, reputation, exit costs. Trust is expecting good behavior based on a judgment about the person, in the face of genuine social uncertainty. Yamagishi's finding is counterintuitive and important: Japan is high-assurance, comparatively low in generalized trust. Americans score higher on trusting strang…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 10:26 AM
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That was in response to this: "The movement of the 20th century was towards the dissolution of institutions which guaranteed trust, whilst providing no replacement." - no they didn't. Not from women's perspective. So no, trust wasn't ruined. Illusion was. Men's advantage was.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 09:51 AM
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If you are under the impression that adultery wasn't incredibly common, I'm aware that it existed. I don't know what "incredibly common" means in a population of 170 million people. Common as in known? You can have a rare event be well known in dense social networks, which is why everyone thinks some crimes are more common than they are. Common as in every person was participating? Ok, show me numbers or tell me what you think the numbers are. Marriage was largely a buisness proposition moreso t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 09:45 AM
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Feminism is radical ideology. Most radical ideology correctly identifies a real phenomenon and then misrepresents the scale or frequency.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 08:40 AM
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Fertility collapse happened 6 decades ago. Lack of pairing started then. This is much closer to the sexual revolution than smartphones, so you should be blaming the sexual revolution much more.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 08:38 AM
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My OP is about people broadly. The only thing upsetting me are stupid questions in the comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 07:09 AM
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I don't have problem a "getting women". The problem is that "getting women" doesn't imply getting a lot. Relationships are broken these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:30 AM
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I see you too.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:57 AM
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The male of the species is the seducer. It's not the male that goes in heat and develops an enlarged ass gland or enlarged breasts. horns and tusks We aren't elk or rhino. We're primates.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:55 AM
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Ghetto woman right here
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:21 AM
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Me and you baby ain't nothing but mammals, so let's do it like they do on the Discovery Channel
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:21 AM
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Well, it was for mating, but you're right that the specific history of that term was limited to nobility during the late middle ages. While all of the peasants were marrying for alliance and convenience, the nobles were trying to marry for something more (while alliance still mattered, their wealth/power enabled them to indulge more in fantasy). In any case though, while Chivalry with a capital C was that specific romantic noble movement, chivalry with a small c is something that boys kind of in…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:00 AM
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You're free to argue about what the essence of those terms mean, but was that your only thought, or do you also deny the existence of a pair of something as I described it?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:55 AM
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The funny thing is that you don't necessarily have to be aware of it. Ask him what you do to seduce him (besides what you mentioned). Maybe you'll be surprised by some of your behaviors that he paid attention to. The biggest mistake women make, which prevents romance from working, is getting in their own heads. By thinking, instead of feeling.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:43 AM
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Should is what should be expected as a bare minimum. In other words, what is known to work for a majority of people over time (and not just in the past few decades and also not just for the sake of sex because lots of things work for sex that don't work for relationships). Social custom has changed a lot over time, but it still has to derive from human nature, and it again has to function for a majority of people. No, I have a lot of experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:41 AM
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Nah, the definition is not the argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:26 AM
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Psychology is a field of science (theoretically). Writers are creative thinkers, not scientists.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:12 AM
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Congrats, you are the first person who didn't immediately enter the thread with some sort of wild bias. I think what cuts seduction short for women is choice. By receiving new status given to them by feminism, they feel like they should be seduced by men, instead of the inverse. That argument aside, the explanation is very simple if you talk in terms of "energy" (metaphorical, not woo woo). Women have chaotic energy, but they only release it when they feel safe to do so. Men make women feel safe…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:01 AM
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Good thing reading 18th century literature isn't a requirement for human mating, otherwise we'd all be extinct by now.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:00 AM
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There are a lot of Disney adults in the comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:55 AM
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When people say gender roles, they're usually talking about what men and women do in society or over a long-term period of a relationship. I'm talking about the early stages of a relationship as well as just the specific return to that spark during the long-term relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:42 AM
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In a balanced relationship not full of unusual traits, the man contributes strength and leadership, and the woman contributes the glue that makes the man interested in her. The latter part is the thing that creates interest. That's what seduction is. Taking initiative is not creating interest. That's doing something after interest has already been demonstrated, otherwise you're doing something that leads to a wide ranging amount of potential things (ranging from what the woman could see as attra…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:36 AM
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Are you unwilling to accept the operational definitions in my OP? You have to understand the definitions to understand the point I'm making. If you just fight the definition, then you won't get to the meat of the argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:32 AM
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People who are charming are charming to all people. Seduction is aimed at one person.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:20 AM
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It seemed like the goofy risk taking crazy testosterone fueled young men do the best. There are two strategies that work, so it kinda depends on the audience, but I'll somewhat agree with you and add that it does not involve seduction. But the guys who struggle the most are always the ones who have a more feminine demeanor, don't take much risk, sexually repressed, at any age. "Feminine" can mean multiple things. Women on birth control are attracted to more "feminine" men which have some of the …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:18 AM
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Wow, you're really cool
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:11 AM
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Still not seduction.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:06 AM
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Feminism didn’t do anything other than give men and women the opportunity to live lives on thier own. Nah, feminism is just women walking away from female gender roles and blaming men for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:05 AM
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I love seductive men. Men who are sexy are peak. The most attractive men i know are men who try to be sexy and try to be seductive. They dress nice. They wear clothes for the female gaze. Aren't afraid of wearing jewelry or sometomes even some eye makeup and nail polish. They allow themselves to be sexualized. Are you on hormonal birth control? It's a known phenomenon that women on birth control prefer more feminine men. I love a good white t-shirt gone wet. Grey sweatpants. Poet shirts, all bla…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:01 AM
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Christianity is more esoteric than you probably think.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:52 PM
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What do you think the romantic poets were doing their whole lives, for instance? Chivalry Displaying their aloofness? You can be present and chivalrous and also not seductive.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:50 PM
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I mean how can you look throughout history and the human creative arts and come to the conclusion that seduction is a female role? LOL I can distinguish seduction and chivalry. It seems like you're purposefully conflating them to try to win the argument and ignoring my continued attempts to separate them. You're not even responding to this point, so I might as well stop conversing with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:49 PM
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Yes, let's use mythology from thousands of years ago to disprove an argument set in 2026.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:39 PM
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Men don't gatekeep marriage. Women don't gatekeep sex. This is one of the most classic instances of general street wisdom. If you disagree, you disagree with all of the people who have repeated this almost verbatim for decades (and surely longer).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:38 PM
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Women seduce men by embodying their emotions, and men have a natural instinct to provide order to those emotions. As OP alludes to, we have conflated chivalry and seduction as the same thing, but they are opposite things. Actually, the whole "women gatekeep sex, men gatekeep marriage" essentially alludes to this as well. The thing you gatekeep is the thing you're providing, although I'm not strictly reducing seduction to sex or chivalry/leadership to marriage. Rather, sex and marriage are the fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:33 PM
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Cute story.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:31 PM
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So you can't imagine men doing anything but standing there if they are not trying to seduce women? You are clearly a woman if you've reduced the entire male psyche to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:31 PM
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I literally wrote one in OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:24 PM
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Yes, that's how power works.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:22 PM
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If someone is successful with women, they are seducing women...... Seduction is an actual act. It's not just being successful. Men can be total retards and bed tons of women. That doesn't make them seductive.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:22 PM
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Being a womanizer means that you are successful with women and implies that you use/abuse them. It doesn't mean you seduce them. What you are describing on the female side is not seduction. It’s coyness. No, it's processing the world through an emotional, introspective, almost solipsistic lens, which is precisely what would make a man weak if he attempted to act that way most of the time. Women don't even want a man who tries to be seductive. Yes, they want it when a man "does it" without trying…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:18 PM
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Men can be seductive when they have integrated more aspects of themselves, which is mostly a middle aged trait (if it comes). It takes time. Young men who are masculine are going to be driven by testosterone which definitely does not produce seduction. It produces being strong and stupid and ridiculous, and there are some women who like that, but that's not seduction.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:16 PM
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It's funny you say that because the more success you have with women, the more disinterested you will become when they continue to expect you to do all the work.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:15 PM
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Seduction makes the man not aloof. It sounds like you're trying to be a dead fish.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:14 PM
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To illustrate what happens when both people don't have their own domain
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:13 PM
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That sounds like the woman has no domain, and it also sounds more like controlling than leading.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 09:53 PM
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I think you are confusing leadership for abuse
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 08:39 PM
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That was my counter example immediately following "Without this domain, people become insecure in their standing."
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 08:02 PM
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I think you misunderstood. I was saying the healthy version is where each person has a domain. I literally don't care about my living environment and would live in a studio if it wasn't for the fact that they don't come with garages and I need a garage for tools and toys. Therefore, it makes sense for me to somewhat cede control of the house to my wife/gf. There are things that they want, that I don't care about, so let them lead that. That doesn't mean, by the way, that simply by being at home …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 07:50 PM
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We could pick countless nitpicky items that people associate with the culture war, but the entire thing is rooted in one of the most important movements of the 20th century.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:05 PM
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Thanks for the input, internet stranger.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:01 PM
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I have the opposite view; most people regardless of gender by default cede control. I think this is true, but it matters greatly who or what they cede control to. I have a rather low opinion of the average level of human initiative (the natural will to learn, create, grow). Of course it happens, but not in large amounts and not all the time. I suppose this could even be levied at me, so no one is immune to this criticism. My point though is this: the object of my critique in the OP is the person…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 02:25 PM
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Also one can be care- based and logic based. It's not one or the other. Gilligan's In a Different Voice (1982) documented systematic sex-distributional differences in moral reasoning style.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:52 PM
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And yes, I have read Adorno. Sounds like you don't appreciate his importance to the culture war.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:51 PM
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Do you think that you're someone the paragon of manhood? Actually, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:50 PM
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Triggered as always.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:39 PM
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Also, what the heck does, "feminine way of thinking", even mean? For one, a more care-based ethnics as opposed to a logic/rules-based ethics.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:27 AM
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It's documented that women practice more care-based ethics (Carol Gilligan) as opposed to justice/logic-based ethics (Lawrence Kohlberg). I've suggested elsewhere in this thread that the egalitarianism of the former is in part a coping mechanism for fear, which women have more of on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 11:40 PM
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This is known as the mind reading fallacy. I forget who coined it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 10:41 PM
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Look at that strong man Oh ya, I bet he does it because he believes in tradition That's how you sound.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 10:29 PM
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what do you even mean by "dominant?" I answered this in an earlier comment, but only vaguely. Functional dominance is just demonstrated competence and leadership. Immediately I think of the personality trait "social dominance orientation." And people high in SDO are generally dicks. It's correlated with being conservative and traditional; arrogant and authoritarian. Yes, and I LOVE it when competence and leadership gets lumped in with being an asshole. Did you know that the Frankfurt School publ…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 10:27 PM
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Maybe it just feels nice to some people?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 10:23 PM
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I'm not saying it is or it isn't, but hygiene is a subjective concept that is as much aesthetic as it is functional.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 10:13 PM
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I don't think you need to switch roles. Just switch domains. There's less whiplash.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 10:12 PM
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I admit, I do abuse that terminology. Dominance seems to imply coercion in a lot of people's minds, but I think natural order arises from competence (regardless of how effectively that is measured or weighed against morality), and it's merely "reality" doing the real coercion. In biology, "dominance hierarchies" is simply the name for the structure and division of roles and relationships in a group of animals.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 10:11 PM
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/r/iamverybadass
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 10:08 PM
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Accurate flair. I think some ancestral populations were very good with their hygiene, btw. I think I read that Polynesian men showered twice everyday before the arrival of the stinky, unwashed missionaries. Body modification is pretty widespread in cultures, and cutting or even removing hair would be mild on that spectrum.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 10:07 PM
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I can't begin to fathom why anyone would want another adult control their lives I think that is a mischaracterization of the situation. You don't control someone's life. You control a space or a field, and someone else just lives within that. If you're really good at doing the family's finances or planning events, then you ought to offer to take ownership of those things. That's leadership.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 10:05 PM
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Unfortunately they never will because there are far more men who want to control a submissive woman than there are women who have any interest at all in that dynamic !!! Dominance doesn't necessarily seek out submissiveness. Maybe obsessive-compulsive men with dominant tendencies do. However, in my view, dominance is only real when it is based on action. Which is to say, it's not about what the other person does.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 10:02 PM
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Starting with self control. It is as simple as that. I think this is a pretty profound point you've just made. I will add one thing though, which is that, taken to its extreme, these men with self-control have less and less need for women. From a woman's perspective, this might be kind of an objectively good thing (hey, they need to provide less), but from a male POV, there's really less reason for men to pursue relationships with anyone at that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 09:54 PM
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Those are aesthetic differences. I'm talking about real functional differences.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 09:51 PM
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The problem is that 'dimorphism' means whatever idiots and fools want it to mean. Yes, I totally agree. I am annoyed by the same things you mention in the rest of your post. This seems to be a sort of psychosis generated by the basic denial of reality. It's like they need special narratives to explain what is really so simple and plain to see if you open your eyes. And ultimately it's hard to know where the differences in biology end and the differences in socialisation begin. Yes, and the point…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 09:48 PM
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I don't really care how it sounds. I'm not looking for validation or anything, and my reputation means nothing on an anonymous message board. His essential argument has a few parts, but it boils down to him arguing that men are slavish losers for allowing themselves to be trapped in marriages. It kind of sounds like a red pill talking point, but his spin is that it's men's fault for being so weak to allow themselves into the position. But instead of arguing that this is just some temporary weakn…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 08:55 PM
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Based and is what it is pilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 08:38 PM
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Most women would love to let their men be in control but most men dont meet the level of management women want, hence why they feel like they have to pick up the slack. I find that these women who claim this will really struggle when met with actual competence. They are so used to taking control that they aren't willing to give it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 08:27 PM
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I agree with you. However, the people you're talking about are terminally online. No one I know thinks like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 06:39 AM
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But the truth is they don't know anything beyond function. If men aren't useful, they aren't invited to the party. Isn't this the same thing as women obsessed with beauty because beauty is female currency for more things? I cannot accept biological and evolutionary drives as the only focus in a man's life. Nor should you, but what else is there? Leisure? Hobbies? Reading? I do lots of those things too.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 04:51 AM
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Being sexual is one of the primary dimensions of manhood. There's also being violent (and I'm not saying for malicious cause). Maybe there's another dimension I'm not thinking of. My point though is that every man holds onto both of these abilities for as long as he can. Because as he slips into old age, becoming less sexual or less violent is a sign that he has become less of a man. Yes, these things come naturally, but at the same time, you are what you do everyday. You have to maintain the ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:20 AM
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The question is do they need to? How did men survive in the past? (Don't answer that). They don't need to and it's become so normal, it's like watching anything else. I do believe if women watch it's not the same. It doesn't hijack the brain the same. Depends. Do men "need" to be sexual? In the past, you either married young (and continued having sex), or you became a bachelor utterly divorced from sexuality and turned into an ultra-orthodox patriarchal type of person, or you just went into some…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 06:21 PM
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Yes, basically all men watch porn. No, it does not affect them all equally. The test is very simple: can they stop when they are in a relationship? If you ask me, the #1 problem with porn for men is that it pushes men into a passive consciousness, where they observe the porn scene and become sexually attracted to that, rather than being in control of the scene and doing as they please (like you are in real life). Porn wouldn't affect women as negatively because it's already natural/expected for …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 04:37 PM
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Imo, this is a valid point. A man who only ever wants to make love is either not in touch with his own sexuality or lying about his sexuality. That's not really what gets me. It's her unwillingness to even hear the words. What if the guy wants to joke around? I guess you can't joke around, unless you want to risk turning someone off for not sounding cool enough. But it's more than jokes. Sometimes a man can play off of ambiguity to be wholesome without overtly saying it. ie, I am joking when I s…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 08:34 AM
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Frankly, I think I'm being the responsible one, so this is their fault for letting their ideology get in the way of things. I would argue seeking "the one" is the real objectification because you're prioritizing your fantasy over accepting humans as they actually are.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 07:12 PM
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Ask yourself this: Would you be willing to change your values/goals to be with the one? I don't believe in "the one". I believe love is something you build with someone, so "the one" is created through someone with shared values. What happens once you have sex with them? They want nothing to do with you? Or you want nothing to do with them? If we rush to sex, then we probably have more sex (although depends on circumstance), and then one of us just doesn't like the other one or realizes we are t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 06:45 PM
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Are you looking for the one or are you looking for someone with similar values/goals? Yes, but it's so hard to find, I'm close to just giving up and letting whatever happens, happens. For as long as men reward the "virtuous girls" with marriage or those girls who are not sexually attracted to them with marriage it's always going to end up in misery for everyone. I don't really agree that this major phenomenon. I'm sure it happens. What women are doing right now is that they are NOT seeking marri…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 05:51 PM
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In what way are the women you pursue for relationships different to the ones you pursue solely for hookups?Does the former feel "out of your league" and the latter "within or below your league"? Well, you have to realize some of my self-observations in the OP are about my past self. I've grown a lot since those early years. Today, I would say the biggest thing that will cause me to pursue a long-term relationship with someone is when I detect that we have similar values. These could be relations…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 05:03 PM
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You should read books: https://sacred-texts.com/nth/tgr/tgr16.htm The book is considered a classic in the personal development genre and has been widely influential in shaping the way people think about success and wealth. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_and_Grow_Rich
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 04:28 AM
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Dominance have nothing to do with masculinity. Dominance in general has little to do with sex, unless your into BDSM. All sex is polarized. There is an active and a passive role. Is it possible to engage in sex where each side is a little active? Yes, but the stable state is where one is more active than the other. Non of these things have anything to do with dominance. It has everything to do with dominance. Being dark triad just makes people annoying and repulsive, dark triad people are usuall…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 04:21 AM
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I have no idea what you're saying, honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 03:55 AM
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I don't really know what do you mean by : 'being dark/machiavellian is kinda just part of sexuality.' Dominance in a sexual context is just masculinity. Dominance in a social context is dark triad / machiavellianism. Often times when you are charged with sexual energy, you're going to exhibit it in all contexts... sexual, social, athletics, etc. Why would their behavior be a turn off? Their behavior is what gets them relationships and not just sex. I don't think that Charlize Theron's opinion ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 03:52 AM
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The women weren't pursuing those men because they are 'Machiavellian bad boys', I agree, but I think the women see them that way. It's the story they tell about it. Also, being dark/machiavellian is kinda just part of sexuality. Good looking safe men are also pursued for casual sex, Yes, but their behavior is a turn off. Go look up the video where Charlize Theron describes any man who says "making love" (no matter how attractive) makes her vagina shrivel up. Men behave exactly the same way, it's…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 03:30 AM
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I don't understand why people think this is AI. Are you just unfamiliar with effortposts? Because clearly my writing style here is not as consistent as an AI would output.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:31 AM
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I was talking about the many replies to my one post.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:47 PM
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Again, you don't have an accurate picture of history or what I am arguing, apparently. I think I have but we don't need to argue on that. Look up confabulation. Confabulation was originally defined as "the emergence of memories of events and experiences which never took place". I think this is a cognitive bias that explains a lot of things. This will be our lasting point of dispute. You say encourage, I say enable. 5/10 women in 2026 don't need to be encouraged to get fucked by 8/10 men. They ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 02:44 AM
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I responded to a very similar thread earlier... Maybe a better question is: what caused feminism? First of all, I largely agree that feminism is the ideological undercurrent discouraging women from living up to their historical roles as people who bring life into this world. I say this because while the gripes that many women have with men are real, the overarching narratives are exaggerated, and they don't add up to reasons to end civilization. If we accept feminism is the cause but the stated …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 07:37 PM
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Re-read the questions I just asked you...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 12:55 PM
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Intuition isn't ordered, or at least isn't linear. There are two separate points, so let's not go in circles. Do you understand the difference between rationality and intuition? Do you agree that there may be gender differences in preferring one or the other?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:12 AM
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By cultural norms I mean that women are not forced to be primarily mothers in order to raise as many another future mothers and potential soldiers in men like 150 years. That women are not shamed for sleeping with men outside of a wedlock like 50 years ago. That women have much bigger chances on the labour market to not only make some money but to make decent or even a shit ton of money unlike 30 years ago. And the last cultural change is that basically the young generation is looking through th…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 12:30 AM
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Ok, we disagree. I'm not going to elaborate if you don't explain why you're countering. They want humanity and effort This sounds like a non-answer to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 12:24 AM
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Maybe it was 1am and I needed to sleep, and whilst repliers have only one post to read and reply to, I have 10 at a time to get to. Maybe I had reasons in my head when I made the original statement but not the refinement that she was looking for. My point was, let's get there together, but if you're going to fight me on it, I don't really have the patience.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 12:22 AM
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I know you may dismiss this as a one isolated example bet let me tell you. I'm from Europe, mixed origin, mother from Scandinavia, father from Central Europe. I'm 39 and have memory of my grand-grandmother from my father side when she was about 94 and I probably around 6. She talked about my grand-grandfather who she met with shorty after World War I and lived with him until his death. She looked at 70 years old photographs and said, how handsome and tall he was when he was young. This notion pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 12:21 AM
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I think I need to be clear that these are functional terms, not just judgements of quality. So, irrational can be used to mean anti-rational, but it could also apply to any process where rationality isn't the priority. Rationality isn't just a measure of how "correct" something is. It's a way of thinking (ordered, hierarchical, stepped, etc). Women tend to things more by feel or intuition, which is a type of thought process. I could have used better words originally.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 12:11 AM
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There is a huge misunderstanding from your side. It's not about the number of men achieving status. It's about less women needing and chasing a man with a status, when you don't consider a status thing being physically attractive. I'm on the older side of an average Redditor and this idea that 20 or 30 years ago women were attracted to high-status yet physically unattractive men because of the status itself and not the material and societal bonuses that dating such a guy brought to them, is naiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 10:41 AM
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Going to disagree with you on both points. It's a genetically determined fact I'm not denying some aspect of this, but you're giving it too much explanatory power. There's clearly a pretty large range of what is natural, within which other factors are more important. It's not about men being more "rational" Let's be clear here. The point isn't that men are better at being rational (necessarily). The point is that men use the rational mode of thinking more often or for more types of things. That …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 10:36 AM
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Yes, I totally agree. That being said, my more realistic approach is an expectation that there may be a gap in perception at the start that grows closer with the relationship. But, only on my terms.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 09:04 AM
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I don't owe you anything. You can literally look up any data that you want. I'm also not defending a thesis. This is a conversation, which means I'm allowed to say things that don't have prepared, sourced facts for everything I say. If that's your attitude, I'm fine not engaging with you anymore either.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 08:02 AM
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Eh, my interpretation of that theory is that it proposes a different mechanism, which is just that males in many species have uneven reproductive success despite even gender ratios. That doesn't imply consensus so much as evolutionary result. I suppose you could say consensus is evolutionary result, but without a human brain to perceive it, it wouldn't be the same psychologically. I would say the sexy son hypothesis compares well to practical game theoretical differences though, which I did also…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 07:59 AM
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I gotta need a source for the whole: all people are capable of self-deception and delusion, the hormones that women have more of cause them to be moreso Something to get you started: The hormonal framing is the weakest piece. "Women have more of the hormones that cause self-deception" is not really an argument — it's a placeholder. The more defensible version is: women's social cognition is, on average, more sensitive to in-group/peer signals than men's, and this sensitivity has real neuroendocr…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 07:28 AM
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So you’re saying men are more rational and independent in thought in dating? That men don’t like to date women others approve of? In my experience men like it when other people think their wife is a catch. It’s a reflection on them and their status and worth among other men. This is all a matter of more and less, not absolutes. Internal Tinder-era data (and several published audits, e.g., Tyson et al.'s 2016 study of swipe behavior; the OkCupid blog dataset of the early 2010s) found that women's…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 06:55 AM
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Can I do submission statements for text posts? Why not. The essay is a structural critique of the hypergamy hypothesis — the manosphere claim that women are evolutionarily wired to pursue a narrow band of "elite" men. Your move is to replace the explanans, not deny the explananda. The chain runs: Hypergamy is empirically slippery. Women regularly pair with non-elite men, and the goalposts ("elite") get redefined post-hoc (status, looks, charisma) to absorb every counter-example. A theory that su…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 06:49 AM
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I think many women are potentially amendable to having kids, but you have to actually get to know them and build a relationship, which isn't happening to large degree. That's roughly the content of OP. Women are not the people who initiate action, and that's fine, but they also hold more leverage, which is not fine in combination with the first point. It's almost like women need "office hours" for men to come and meet because there's no functioning way to put decent men in front of them. You hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 09:01 PM
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That is not a solution for a population, and for an individual, it sounds like an incredible waste of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 09:00 PM
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My case is unproven, yes. Also, evolution exists, yes. The problem with evo psych is when people just assert things, provide a couple bits of evidence and pretend the narrative is tight and has no other explanations.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 08:59 PM
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That's what you call parasocial interaction. It feels real but isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 07:55 PM
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There is no "wrong age range". 18-29 is the standard young adult age range. What range do you want to use? There's no right or wrong answer. It's "wrong" because it doesn't tell you useful info if people couple up in their 30s, and it doesn't tell you if the couples in their 20s will split up, and it doesn't tell you if they will lead to marriage and kids. Having a friend and having sex is not the standard for "coupling". Anyone can do that casually. Again, whether couples decide to have kids ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 06:48 PM
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You should google "how to recognize sarcasm".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 06:03 PM
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No, it is men who think it should be like the sixties where someone could have house, a wife, a retirement account, and a car on one middle class salary. To the extent that men think they should ignore what a woman does and only care if she's hot, it is borne from the post WW2 boom. I think you're missing the point. Men are reducing the requirements for what their woman has to be. "Only caring that she's hot" isn't really the approach that mature men who want a future family are proposing. I rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 06:02 PM
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A lot of men here will claim they will take anyone but then when you press them, you realize they won't. Woah, they won't take LITERALLY anyone? Total shocker and totally invalidates all of their opinions.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 05:43 PM
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The entire Internet is at your disposal. The internet is antisocial.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 05:42 PM
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There's literally an entire table of coupling rates from the Census Bureau in my comment above. Yes, and you chose the wrong age range. You also chose non-marriage coupling, which isn't as meaningful. This ALSO includes couples, both married and unmarried, who don't have kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 05:41 PM
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You've apparently taken some neuroscientific knowledge and overextended how much it can explain.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 05:40 PM
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This is meant to contrast with how male sexuality works, where men are sexually attracted to many women who are of greater, equal, and, yes, even lesser quality than them. In fact, many men actually prefer to interact sexually with women hypogamously, because it gives them more power within the interaction. This is becoming less common in the developed western world, though, where men are seeking women who are ideally at least roughly equals for monogamous relationships. This is just an unproven…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 05:39 PM
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y'know, the more i see it, the more obvious it becomes that red pill (crimson?) is just begging for male affirmative action/DEI/welfare smothered in screaming "masculinity" That's just something you've made up in your own mind. I can't argue against your fantasy version of me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 05:38 PM
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This whole "I don't care what she does! I don't care what money she has! I don't care about her education!" is simply a very pampered spoiled and modern view that is based on the glut of inexpensive crap from modern manufacturing techniques. It has little to no historical precedent and is, frankly, stupid. No, it is evidence that the things people claim ("It's too expensive to have kids!") is simply not true. The affordable options are not being taken.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 05:37 PM
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Younger millennials and zoomers have reversed the trend. Twice as many guys want marriage and kids vs the women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 03:18 PM
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"Fact" — Evo psych is anything but.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 05:37 AM
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You dont need to spend hours with women if you are satisfying hypergamy, its the guys who try to get laid outside of hypergamy that spend hours with women to get with her. Getting laid is not my criteria. I didn't say you needed hours to get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 05:36 AM
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when women feel this feeling around you, they want to sleep with you, they feel they achieved a big thing. Yes, and then the women move on, happy for their achievement. Sex is not a binding tool for relationships, especially when it's pursued indiscriminately. The fact that men have access for occasional sex is not replacement for the fact that they don't spend hours next to them, talking to them, learning about them as people. And likewise for women to men. If men and women aren't semi-forcibly…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 04:25 AM
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And yet men who can afford to marry can't find a wife. There are more men who want to marry than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 04:24 AM
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Ya, but there's no way for non-losers to get ahead in line.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 03:32 AM
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Family for example also meant arranged marriage You say this like it's a bad thing. People pay good money for this kind of thing now.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 03:31 AM
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No, but I don't think that is driving female decision making. That would imply they want to be housewives, which a majority of women don't claim to want right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 02:21 AM
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what is so wrong about women wanting a man who has a set stable of income I'm so utterly confused. What you are talking about? Can you quote me or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 01:08 AM
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Ok, now what do you think I'm saying?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 01:03 AM
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Did you read what I wrote?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 01:01 AM
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As to that claim in particular, I wouldn't say it is male preference or female preference, but both operating in an increasingly unregulated sexual marketplace I don't think this follows logically from the fact that men and women have asymmetrical levels of and type of investment in the mating process. We all crazy on many fronts, so I try to remember that expecting gender relations to be sane in such a world doesn't make much sense. I think we are close enough with this comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 12:57 AM
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People meet each other who work in the same fields Yes, and when concentrations change in certain fields, the shape of the results will change. people look for people they find physically attractive, This is literally the easiest of all criteria to meet. We have been doing this for hundreds of thousands of years. Most people are far too obsessed with the grading scale of what is seen as "attractive". Far too many logical fallacies to explain in one go. people look for people with the same goals …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 12:50 AM
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This isn't a minor definition distinction. Hypergamy says it's all about women's preferences. I'm saying it's male preferences. This is a huge, huge difference. You could state it like this: "male preference under the conditions created by the sexual revolution create a stratified sexual market that bears less and less resemblance to the value that men bring to society or to their partners in the long run."
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 12:37 AM
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Additionally, we all have access to more people than ever before. Everyone and their mother is online. You can speak to people you never would have met otherwise literally whenever you want. Sending a message to someone online is not "presence" in their lives. I don't expect to women to pretend every rando messaging her is deserving of her full attention, so I don't see how this is a replacement for the prior alternatives.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 12:36 AM
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They exist at decreased rates. Look at the increased levels of loneliness and read books like Bowling Alone to understand a few factors. Also, self-evidently, a lower fertility rate will produce smaller families and less of them. That means it's either exponential growth or exponential loss.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 12:06 AM
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the coupling rate has not fallen since Tinder was introduced in 2012. What? Show me numbers. According to fertility rates, they have dropped drastically in even just that time.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 11:46 PM
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Women are opting for the wide open potential for their best* prospective partners on apps, because paradoxically, through the proliferation or social media (even at work - LinkedIn), everyone feels the higher stakes of dating within their social circles. This doesn't explain why these same women also date losers. Redpillers usually cope about this, feeling that they aren't "loser enough" (aka sleezy, barbaric, or psychopathic enough) to win these women over. We're getting lost in this argument o…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 11:14 PM
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The 3 percent change in your statistic is accompanied by a drastic actual change in the dating market since 2006. Therefore, whatever the strength of your variable, it is far weaker than what I demonstrated via the venues that people couple through.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 11:12 PM
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No, you get no boosts because there are no differences between the genders
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 03:12 AM
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This is just another rehashed post of “choose the unattractive guy over the attractive guy”. Let's reframe it. Can you just pick someone for any reason besides stimulation?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 03:11 AM
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I think this is a more accurate understanding of what is going on than hypergamy. I don't think all of the high status or most attractive men are necessarily being picked up. Sure, it slants a little in that direction, but I think a bigger factor is simply who is present and who is always gaming the system. You just need access to women in order to seduce them. Anyone with experience with women knows that not all women will be for him, but he can have more than he can handle if he simply has acc…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 03:08 AM
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I've been around since the early days of the "red pill" community. Took it in sparingly and then eventually discarded it, partly because it got worse and partly because I don't think they're really seriously trying to solve any problems. That being said, there's something funny about it, which is that we started talking about women, but all of the core explanations seem to be political. It's broad cultural movements not directly targeting dating which ultimately affect it. Things like feminism, …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 01:04 AM
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Yes. They think that kids are just "a thing" instead of the whole point. This also extends to a majority of my preferences/requirements. Women who are obese give birth to babies far more prone to obesity and other issues. The child receives the gut flora of the mother. There are a lot of health components of the mother that translate to the child. I want them invested in their health not just for attraction purposes but because their bodily health translates to child health, which is one once ag…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 11:03 PM
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One thing I would add. I've heard dating compared to musical chairs. I'll link the Taraban video. If women don't want kids, then their idea of when the music stops is VERY different. This is why women are nearly 40 and still thinking they provide value to a male majority that do want kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 09:49 PM
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Moral failure is thinking people should buy in without skin in the game. Your family is your life, your children continue your life. You think people should just sacrifice their last moments on earth without said continuation of life and be okay with it. You are the failure, not me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 09:46 PM
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your community What makes it YOUR community? People generally care about their environment because they're leaving it for their children.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 09:21 PM
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This is basically what masturbation accomplishes.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 09:16 PM
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This is a good way of putting it, and I totally agree. To me, not wanting kids is a lot like not wanting to live. It's hard trying to live when no one else around you wants to live, you can't find someone who wants to live (whilst meeting a VERY minimal checklist like: not overweight, not mentally ill, not stupid), and the primary path seems to be "just invest all of your time, energy, and resources into someone who doesn't want to live and then slowly try to convince them to want to live".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 09:12 PM
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Ya, except women are man's priority from the start of puberty until they find a wife, pretty much. It applies to all decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 10:05 AM
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It's not that 0% are women capable of love. It's that maybe 50% are there, 40% are already with someone, 5% aren't a good much for other reasons, and you'll never meet the other 5%. I've tried therapy. I've tried a lot of things. I finally decided I wasn't the problem. If you aren't currently dating right now, you don't know what it's like.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 10:00 AM
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What would it mean to you if I said they were equals? Those are just words.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 04:27 PM
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From whose perspective?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 04:04 PM
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No, that's actually quite far off. Having a partner gives meaning to your own sacrifice as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 06:47 AM
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Romantic love emerged as "courtly love" (for nobility), not for peasants. You are right about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 11:33 PM
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I don't believe anything is equal for anyone, ever. People used to grow up from such ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 11:32 PM
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I don't think anyone knows what love is anymore or even pursues it. I don't honestly think people did in past either, they were just more tied to each other so sometimes they figured it out by accident. Yes we live in hedonistic era. I think people of the past were humbled by their lives. An easy target here would be today's generation using digital communication too much, which certainly takes a lot of attention, but there's still A LOT more going on, because the parents of millennials were fuc…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 11:03 PM
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I don't believe it is the dating market structure that has created hypergamy. I think it is the pursuit of stimulation, also known as hedonism, that has replaced the pre-1960s idea of love. I also am not saying it's all about the 1950s, since that is a single decade among thousands, or rather, millions of years that humans existed before the 1960s.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 10:50 PM
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Exactly, brother.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 10:49 PM
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The comment assumes that women get no value out of giving birth and that it is JUST for the man. I was saying, well, I hope there are still women out there who think it is more than a purely transactional act.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 10:49 PM
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Feminism is a fairytale.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 10:47 PM
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"everyone who disagrees with me sounds the same"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 10:47 PM
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Or the women could just not give birth and let their family die with them. If the woman feels that a man has to give in equal amounts that her giving birth provides to him and the world, she'll be waiting a long time.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 10:46 PM
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I agreed with you so much until you split into “men want love, women don’t know what they want” We can zero that into specific age timeframes, generations, and geographical locations that the essay is largely about. This isn't about intrinsic nature so much as how crowds of men or women have been led around. There are intrinsic differences, but that's a layer beneath all of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 10:44 PM
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Politics is an issue. I see it constantly. People are getting nuts on both sides to the point it is like a religious war. Everyone wants to be 100 percent right instead of each side recognizing the other has a point and figuring out a trade off. There is just too much one sided media congratulations any viewpoint. The crazy thing is that it isn't really over policy. There are exceptions to this, but a majority of it boils down to hating the other person's fantasy. We're getting mad at each other…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 10:42 PM
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This is the naive way of doing it that wasn't build for the modern world.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 10:38 PM
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Doesn't matter how fulfilling your life is if it ends with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 10:36 PM
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If my grandmother had wheels, she would be a bicycle
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 12:24 PM
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The part where they were ready to settle down sooner.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 09:14 AM
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Oh, the wording earlier confused me. I thought you meant men don't want to date conservative women. I was about to say... NO.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 07:28 AM
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You're talking about an echo chamber that I am not a part of.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 07:26 AM
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What love does a man provide that comes close to the sacrifice that a women having child(ren) makes? At that point, men just hope you enjoy life enough that you want to see it continue, so all of our lives aren't for naught.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 07:24 AM
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I don't think it serves us to think of things in terms of these self-assigned ranks. What matters is how who you with, treats you well. I'm not saying the first person you date has to be the one who will treat you well for the rest of your life, but ideally you are working towards that state. And if you aren't, then what the hell are you even doing?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 07:07 AM
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There is a shallowness to relationships now that didn't exist before. The trend has been an increase in shallowness for some time, particularly since the 50s or 60s. This is not to lay blame on any one thing for that, but that ought to be studied.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 07:03 AM
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What does that even mean? Is it just code for "I've stopped using dating apps" at this point? There are people banging down your door irl to date you and you've decided to say no to all of them? No, it means you cut ties with the activities that you were doing because you hoped it would expand your network in the direction of women. It might mean moving. It could mean a lot of things, since dating could otherwise be a priority for someone who wants a monogamous life with a family.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 07:00 AM
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Women know th majority of men in the US are conservative and don’t want to date conservatives. We don’t care what they do in the dating market, and they make up a huge majority. This is an interesting perspective. Why do you think that is?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 06:51 AM
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I'm not anti-accountability, but you need to respect when there are forces above you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 04:05 AM
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Every gender is going to blame the collective behavior of the opposite sex for the results in the dating market that are not their fault. This doesn't imply women are all at fault, as both sides may have legitimate grievances.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 02:51 AM
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I don't care what you want me to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 12:25 AM
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I'm speaking from my own perspective of these other things as I see them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 12:22 AM
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Idk why you would think that I would want male romantic partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 12:22 AM
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You can give whatever to you want to various people in your life that you love, but the entire point of male/female pair love is that you give everything. My body is yours and vice versa. That includes time, effort, and all other resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 12:20 AM
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Let me try to zero in on the disagreement. Suppose you meet someone and fall in love with them. There's a lot going on inside your head, whether you call them thoughts or feelings. My philosophical point here is that those thoughts and feelings don't mean anything. Those are yours alone. You can share them (tell your partner "I love you"), but the thoughts themselves are not love, and sharing your thoughts is not love either. The only thing that is actually love is doing something. These acts of…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 12:12 AM
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One thing I will say is that living your life in pursuit of moral action (I can figure out a less weird way to say this) is something that relaxes my mind a bit. I am not looking for a replacement for the feeling of a woman and a family, so I am not looking to support some specific random person out there. However, the feeling of supporting those that I can, when I can, is a salve for the existential problem that comes next. Cope with existence by merely doing what you can, and not worrying abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 12:04 AM
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It's not that I'm trying to convince them to change their mind. It's that they represent a majority in some circles. It's the sheer frequency and size of that demographic.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 12:00 AM
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“love” Love is mutual giving. I want to give to someone else willing to give. The joy for me is that I can give to someone who wants to be a part of that. To make it "transactional", it would be more like "mutual taking", which to me is the pursuit of pleasure and stimulation from the other partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 11:59 PM
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One of my overarching conclusions is that the "dating system" or whatever you want to call it, the system of matching men and women together, just simply doesn't work. There are no safeguards that ensure it works. There's no one watching over it and not a lot of goodwill from participants to keep it working. This means the systems just rise and fall like evolutionary processes, because they either serve their participants and spread, or they don't and they die. What's crazy right now is how we'r…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 11:57 PM
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It's not that being a criminal is attractive. It's that the criminal mindset is predatory, so they prey on people who think terms of things like consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 04:24 PM
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Most men are nowadays bi w/gay preference and women are commonly prostitutes I don't say this often, but you legitimately need to touch grass because neither of these things are common/normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 04:25 PM
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I don't think we'll get to 2035 without a total market crash. I don't even know if we'll get to 2027 without some major change. I think people are breaking at the seams for human connection, and something will give. That being said, if your future came to fruition, I hope you have the backbone to restrain yourself. Shouldn't be too hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 04:20 PM
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This is most of this sub. People picking random fights that no one cares about.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 07:25 PM
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Just a lack of time around women. You can match with them online, then it's a huge effort to turn that into a date. You can get their number in person, then they forget you or drift off anyways. It's just hard to keep anyone's attention, but I think this also boils down to a lack of trust. Women often don't trust men upon meeting them, even if there is attraction. You can flirt endlessly and get nowhere because you aren't physically there occupying space next to them enough for them to see you a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 07:12 PM
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I think you need to spend time around someone before you are actually "dating" them. I don't think the "love at first sight" bullshit works. I don't think seduction works. Yes, you can seduce someone, and you can feel lust/love at first sight, but I don't think this reliably leads to relationships, which is all I care about. Women need to trust men before a relationship is really possible, and even if I take a girl on a date, it's not enough time to really establish that. I think I would have be…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 12:04 PM
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I just don't care about people who are worried if others find them interesting. It's a very superficial mindset that they can purge on their own while I do other things.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 01:21 AM
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Stop using hobbies as self-improvement platforms. I guarantee I would have zero interest in you talking about how awesome you are at your "hobbies".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 08:36 PM
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That's not what I said. Those are independent variables, and you're assuming the drop of one is caused by the rise of the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 07:01 PM
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You've made an interesting argument here, but I think you've buried the lede a bit. The whole point you're really making is that female "happier alone"-ness stems from artificial and ultimately unsustainable means (assuming the system still requires buy-in from both sexes, even with the amount that has been automated). I think a lot of male anger stems from high expectations and low results. Once the expectations are low, there will still be plenty of isolated men, but they will have less to be …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 05:53 PM
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Satisfaction rate and relationship rate are both important factors, and to say the increase in satisfaction rate is solely a reflection of the reduction in relationship rate sounds like a massive fucking fallacy of your own interpretation, not what studies specifically say. Try again.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 05:39 PM
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the incredibly low effort This is a result of utter futility of the effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 08:36 PM
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As I responded to one of the top level comments, your suggestion is rational as a response to feminism. i.e., Feminism claims that men are responsible (for everything, pretty much), so a natural reactionary movement is that women are responsible for things too. You could also just say there's an equal amount of responsibility now given that women wanted more power/responsibility. With that comes more blame. That being said, I also suggest elevating this conversation because the reactionary idea …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 08:34 PM
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60% of relationships already begin online. How much more can we possibly optimize for online activity? I think maybe the fact that we NEED online activity is part of the problem. However, you can't just ask people to meet in grocery story lines or at bars because that was never the popular way to meet. The root problem here is loss of social capital and the vicious cycles involved. I made a post about this recently: https://v.redd.it/1ulonkicpktg1
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 08:23 PM
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certainly isn’t the only factor but it’s a big one. and it starts with fucked up gendered socialization, we mentally and emotionally fuck over boys starting in toddlerhood with some of the messages they’re subjected to, including but not limited to “crying is for insert misogynistic/homophobic/anti-feminine slur here” Teaching boys to be tough is not why men are lonely. Men are lonely because there are no fucking communities anymore. No neighborhoods, no hangout spots. Men weren't lonely 100 yea…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 04:40 AM
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I would like to point out that sex alone isn’t all that fun for a lot of women. It can be really lonely to think a person cares about you only to learn they just wanted your body. It's exactly the same for men. Good luck categorizing me. I am someone who has had sex with many women but has grown increasingly disinterested with women because all they want is sex, and relationships are impossible to find. My friends have gone through the same discovery process.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 04:37 AM
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I think modern men are at a massive deficit in terms of opportunities to have women get close to them and trust them, and honestly dating sounds like one of the worst ways to accomplish this. While everyone else seems to be focusing on romance or sexuality, I think what's being missed is the trust factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 02:27 AM
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As a man who wants a family, I fear leading with my values, as most women don't explicitly want that, and the ones who might want it can be scared off from that much certainty.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 08:16 PM
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I think it either refers to the female role in reproductive success (or lack thereof) or their typical political leanings which have been called "suicidal empathy" in modern day jargon.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 08:15 PM
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Hormones are the primary differentiator between men and women, and PCOS is an illness 😅. Why are you anti-science?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 11:02 AM
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I wouldn't say the natural female is more chaotic than the natural male. Chaos comes in many forms. However, there's there's a lot of entropy put into any system when people are privileged to be wrong and not corrected for it, and not even penalized so hard for it that they change their mind. Men are affected greatly by this too, but there's a great deal of privilege that modern women have, so the spotlight is on them at times.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 02:58 AM
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Plenty of women have a naturally higher testosterone than plenty of men. Stopped reading here. Men have 100x the testosterone of women. You're just trying to affirm your own narrative. Keep pushing.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 01:41 AM
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Well said. I was just talking to someone in another thread that wants "verbal sparring". I don't know about you, but this is a huge red flag to me. These women want to fight but not lose. They want to be chased but not caught. They want to live in this weird suspension of time where you are committed, but there are no commitments. They want to be with someone who is dominant but also not. I'm not saying every woman holds all of these beliefs. I'm saying the pattern is the willful holding onto of…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 01:30 AM
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Successful men will always want women to bring something to the table that they don't already have. Similarly, an attractive women with multiple suitors will always look for the man who can bring more to the table. This means gender roles aren't just a "custom". They are a consequence of incentives. This means gender roles are designed to bring value to the other sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 01:29 AM
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In my experience, the people who complain about a lack of verbal sparring tend to demonstrate a lack of empathy for why there is a lack of verbal sparring going on. They treat it as someone else's problem instead of their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 01:26 AM
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It's like you want to be chased but you don't want to be caught. You're playing games. That is my read of "banter" the way you describe it. It's like humor and adventure can't happen naturally. It must be insisted upon out of neurosis. If you're successful in finding someone with that approach, you'll likely find someone with the same neurosis.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 04:38 AM
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I'm betting there's not a single man in your life that you love.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 09:09 PM
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I see clearly. You are delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 09:03 PM
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You're clearly taking the subject personally, which is why I approached it this way. It sounds like you have been traumatized.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 08:58 PM
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That is generally true, but it isn't as fundamental as what I'm talking about. The reason men and women have chemistry is because we think differently and complement each other in how we communicate and act. It's leading and following. The core male role is leading, and the core female role is following. The man should want to lead, and the woman should want to follow. That's how it often is anyways, but people still make things too complicated. "Gender roles" are more religious than economic. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 07:07 PM
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Gender roles are rooted in the psychological. Men and women have different hormones and thus different norms of behavior. Your "role" is most abstractly the behavioral norm that works best in a relationship with the opposite sex. It's how you communicate and how you act.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 06:18 PM
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Do you get along with anyone different from you? It sounds like you're expecting a man to act and think in the way you do, which probably won't lead to good dating outcomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 01:15 PM
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Do you read a lot?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 12:39 PM
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You need to deal with your traumas
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 12:37 PM
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Women don't have to approach men. Women just have to be receptive to men approaching women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 01:33 AM
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I don't see this as a blackpill conclusion though. I don't think it's simply "women's standards are too high". I think it's more like "women engage in an evaluation process that isn't well-understood or discussed". It's making the same mistake that classical economics made with "homo economicus". The average woman isn't filling out a report card mentally. She's engaging with her environment, experiencing the general pull of men, the social consensus, and her inner thoughts. I think the reality i…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 01:41 AM
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I totally agree with this, and I bring it up every time someone tries to blames dating apps for everything. I think the primary thing that the apps have done is make the rejection more visible. You have access to more women who will reject you. That's the only new thing for men in this equation.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 01:23 AM
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I mean, how financially successful are they? I would assume their hesitancy to accept the burden is essentially on par with however much they can afford, which is reasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 12:29 PM
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How successful are these men?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 11:55 AM
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I don't have any narratives about one gender being more respectful than the other. As a man, I am not dating men. I am dating women. So, that's the perspective I am speaking from. Funny that you would assume I'm not respectful simply because I perceive a lack of respect and wisdom in the population.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 08:21 AM
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Pretty much.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 08:19 AM
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It’s correct that the US is the wealthiest country but not because you all work so hard I never said otherwise. The previous generations still worked harder than the more recent ones. So you don’t want a woman who wants the same things ….. you want one who doesn’t and you want to make her do it. Nowhere did I say that. That you now trying to devalue the education and work of women is nothing more than typical. It doesn't contribute to a family. Never said they couldn't do it on their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 08:18 AM
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No, I'm saying some people need someone they can depend on to make decisions and take action towards an idea like this. I accept that I may need to be the first mover, and they may come around. Or, maybe they don't. I can't control what they do. I am not waiting to react to them. I am acting, and I am allowing them to react to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 07:38 AM
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I know, but I feel powerless to find them. Of course, after every missed encounter, there's the always the question of "did they not want that?" or "did they not want that WITH YOU?". I think I offer a lot, so that's why I say "sometimes, it's actually not you." I don't really take responsibility for my position, but that also doesn't mean I blame women. I blame the same ideology that has affected everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 07:03 AM
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And last but not least, the US has nothing to do with hard labor. The US is among the wealthiest countries in the world. My point was that decadence follows opulence. If you say „I want to into marriage with someone who agrees with my ideas“….that sounds like you want a wife who already wants those things…..Thats fundamentally different then trying to convince a woman to that, who got an education because she wanted to work. So which one are you? I accept either. That is why I am the rock. By th…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 06:34 AM
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I don't think there's one version of "red pill". A lot of people used the term, and there are lots of little pockets on the internet who claim it for themselves. I think the red/blue pill is typically used more along the lines of whether something is unpopular or popular, but truth in science isn't always the most obscure idea. Sometimes it's the most obvious, and it's sometimes difficult for the mind to recognize what it has been staring at. Sometimes, the most obscure idea is truth, but not fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 06:27 AM
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Yes, because it is generally viewed that the things that I want imply the woman is giving up ground in some respect. You may have missed my edit to the previous post. Do I believe the woman is giving up ground? No, I think we can create a mutually beneficial world. I think several ideologies today argue that what I'm suggesting is more disadvantageous to women, and thus I am trying to be "dominant" over her.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 05:51 AM
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It's not a controversial take that there is a lack of respect in dating. I don't care about the rest of what you said. I do find it interesting how controversial it is to say "Sometimes, it's actually not your fault. It's just the world. It's not set up for success, and it's not your fault for how it is." People work themselves in circles trying to figure out how they are at fault (self improvement) or how others are at fault (ideology), without actually understanding the game being played (scie…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 05:34 AM
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I mean I want to go into marriage with someone who agrees with my ideas of family. That includes pretty normal ideas for the most part. It most likely means: me as sole breadwinner we raise probably 3 kids we have a suburban/rural home with a little acreage we put effort into this home and into continuing to grow as people I can go through the list of why women might disagree to at least one of these: "I spent 100k on my education, so I'm going to get value out of it." or "I just love my job." o…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 05:19 AM
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I'm not OP. It sounds like bullshit, but there's at least one possible way OP's evidence is explanable without it actually implying ideology is genetic (ridiculous premise, even though I disagree with blank slate as well).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 05:00 AM
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I'm largely in agreement with you, but it's worth pointing out that women will legitimately argue that they are romantic for wanting to receive it. Men justify with action, women justify with passivity.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 04:59 AM
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I would like a source for the claim that political alignment is hereditary more than environmental. One potential influence: There are a lot of genetic filters in politics today. Political parties regularly play particular racial and ethnic narratives.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 04:53 AM
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Learned confidence isn't one thing. You can learn how to behave a certain way, you can learn principles of how social interaction works, or you can learn why you should feel confident.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 04:50 AM
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I don't want someone who is "submissive". To be dominant is to make people around you become submissive. Men who complain about a lack of submissiveness are often not dominant. However, I do care a lot about respect and loyalty, which I find to be generally lacking in women. Here's another way I could take this: I care about a woman agreeing to my idea of a family. I don't find that most women have good ideas of family, if they have one at all. I do think it's best if I can organize the family/h…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 04:44 AM
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I guess the fundamental question is whether "being romantic" means initiating romantic action or wanting to receive it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 04:40 AM
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Note that it doesn't have to be the same men who give and then take back those rights. You can have one group of men who are lenient, and if they run society poorly enough, they get replaced by other men who aren't so lenient. Natural selection at play.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 04:30 AM
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That's literally what it is. Get your head out of the clouds. Society is built on families. Tribes were basically just one large family, much like any other animal grouping (wolfpack, for instance). Society is just multiple tribes stacked next to each other, but we need to keep track of what determines the structure of the tribe, not society.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 05:23 AM
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There's a grain of truth to it, so maybe I can bridge the gap. Women are more impressionable than men, which means that whatever they see is immediately reacted on and/or held in their mind as true. This is why women care so much about finding a man with "the spark", a mythological quantity that exists only in their mind's initial interpretation of events. Key word: initial. This means that many different types of sensory experiences can override everything else in the woman's mind. This include…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 04:35 AM
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I'd sit down with her and set up a budget. I'd give her a card and then use some kind of app to see if purchases lined up with this budget. If they didn't, review again and adjust. I can't give you any dollar figures, but whatever it is would be reasonable. Save for the future, pay for quality produce (you are what you eat), pay down the house, have a little for common enjoyment (date nights, trips), and have a little for individual hobbies.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 04:28 AM
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The problem is the methodology. It's not whether you notice signs of potential abuse, but whether you even got into the relationship for the right reasons. When women place looks, money, and sex at the top of their wishlist, that also means being a quality partner gets put closer to the bottom of the list. You get what you prioritize. You don't get the whole list. Don't get me wrong. Obviously, there are exceptions, but the general trend seems to be that women have backwards priorities, and it p…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 04:22 AM
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I do believe in romance, but I don't believe in starting out that way. A woman has to earn romance from me beyond simply being attractive. If it was just attractiveness, then it'd just be about sex, and women are very replaceable when it comes to sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 04:19 AM
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Not afraid of loneliness, but I am afraid of nihilism. I am already detaching from society, and I know I still have chances to make it happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 04:15 AM
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The next stage, after the guy who is 25 and has his life together but can't get sex, is the 30 year old guy still has his life together and has plenty of sexual experience but no relationship experience. No one talks about those guys because... they don't seem unsuccessful from the outside. However, these are also guys who rank wanting children very highly and simply can't find women to have them with, so I'd consider them pretty unhappy and unsuccessful. We need to move away from "sex" as the c…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 04:12 AM
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Not a meaningful question. "Holds value" is doing a lot of the work in this sentence. Value to whom? To me? To others? Then again, "simply because you exist" is almost assuredly going to get a "no" answer from me, simply because without any relationships (having value to someone else, even if just for existing for them), the only measure of value derives from whether or not your life has meaning to yourself. I would hope everyone alive thinks their life has meaning to themselves, but that's prob…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 04:05 AM
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The home and family was the whole point of all the toil. The resources obtained outside the home were used for that home. To dismiss it as being in the kitchen shows how distorted your views are. Women were the center of the world in past times, they ran the homes, kept the family intact and interactive. Nothing more important than that. I've been saying this for a while, and you're the only other person I've seen articulate it. It's common fucking sense to me. Look at how happy everyone was whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 04:01 AM
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I’m finding this really hard to believe despite the fact that misogyny has been growing rapidly. Men do you guys genuinely support [gender roles]? Yes, and gender roles are not "misogyny". stay at home in the kitchen That's not really traditional nor the focus of the gender role per se. The primary role that women must have is having and raising children. Everything else is secondary. Fertility rates are dangerously low all over the world. So, it's plain to see that women aren't doing their job,…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 03:57 AM
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The main difference seems to be how their mind works. Some people have very little filter between their senses and what their mind thinks, whereas others are greatly influenced by their senses and have a hard time filtering it and forming their own thoughts. I have a friend who thinks he has a pornography addiction, and I've come to find out that his brain worker in the latter way. He is a very verbal person, and he struggles to form images of concepts as he is thinking (although he is capable).…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 03:48 AM
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Bad luck? If it's happening to a huge percentage of men, and there are good men on the sidelines, and there are weaker/worse men in relationships, then it all seems fairly random to me. I think a huge part of finding a relationship nowadays is proper networking. College is the single biggest networking opportunity, but your work life, your hobbies, and the friends groups that you participate in seem to make much of the difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 03:42 AM
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we live under a patriarchy We live under a mixed system. About 21% of kids live with just one parent, and 80% of those single parents are single moms. If you live with a single mom, that is a matriarchy. These kids have vastly worse outcomes than two parent households, by the way. There is a lot of gray area, but generally when parents live together, it's more patriarchal. When separated, it's clearly a matriarchal structure. If you go and read about ancestral forms of tribe/family, you will und…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 03:29 AM
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My impression of a good portion, maybe a majority, of the sexless men who are actually trying is that they are trying to get sex through a relationship or through some sort of polite communication. My point is that sex and relationships are completely different, and you have to be cunning. But if you are cunning, you can definitely go out there and get it. I think the deadly combo is being sexless AND lonely, which causes the young men to try to solve both problems at once. I'm coming at this fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 12:38 AM
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I don't get the impression many young men are actively pursuing sex or know how to. I don't think the physical requirements are as insane as people make them out to be. Lots of short, fat, ugly people get laid. It does require a little cunning, but that is the most important part.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 12:10 AM
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I'm not lying. Women are far more loose with sex than they used to be. This isn't a new phenomenon — the sexual revolution started in the 60s — but the trend continues in that direction.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 09:33 PM
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The bottom line is that sex is cheap and easy to find if you look for it, while relationships are difficult or impossible. However, if you try to find sex by using strategies that normal people use to find relationships, then you will also struggle to find sex and get labeled an incel. I don't respect people like this because it muddies the waters about what is really happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 11:47 PM
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Ya, to save yourself some time, the simple answer is feminism. This is so at the root of the problem that people have denial specifically about this thing and will shift blame in every single way possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 09:10 PM
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If she was out at a bar, doing intramural sports, or a part of book club where men are also around its more like 1/330. That's what she would have to sift through. That 1/330 is also wanted by 10 other girls, and those 10 other girls are also texting two other 1/330 at the same time. Then, what happens all three of those 1/330 men go on a single date with these women and decided none of them are interested in being in a relationship with them in reality, as the only thing the women were capable …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 08:59 PM
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Women have an abundance of options so they dont feel their standards are too high. They think they have an abundance of options, but it's really just having a list of phone numbers that you never call. An abundance of options for sex? Sure, but we really shouldn't be setting our criteria at sex. If a man wants sex, he can go about all of this a completely different way. You'll find plenty of women at bars who are feeling frisky. You can save everyone a bunch of time by just going for that and ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 08:44 PM
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It's not your fault, brother.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 08:41 PM
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You are hallucinating. It doesn't matter if you have a fit body, a great face, great sense of humor, great job, and tons of other things going for you. Women simply refuse to come out of their shell, so they will find something else to blame it on. This "shell" is what Freud called the ego.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 08:37 PM
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If politics matter, around 40% of men identify as conservative (more if white), which brings the number to just under 2,000. This also means you now have to search through 1.25m people to find these 2k guys. Don't worry, it's just 1/1000. If you meet the equivalent of an entire high school class at a large school, you could meet one person! But then again, maybe they're single, or maybe they say the wrong thing over text, or maybe the fucking weather is acting up and you just feel some type of w…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 08:35 PM
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When I talk to my friends about what their future boyfriend or husband should look like, they never say something out of this world or illogical. The standards are never: "I just want a man who will love me and work hard for the family." Do you want to know what men's standards are like? They're basically that, but adjusted for female expectations. I want a woman who is loyal and diligent. I want someone who wants to contribute to my team instead of just leech off of it. You get what you priorit…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 08:33 PM
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This is exactly it. It's born out of pessimism.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 05:31 AM
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Roles originate based on usefulness to society. Men need roles because they promise usefulness, which leads to men being valued by other people in society. Now you might be thinking "well, let's just get rid of this conditional/transactional method of seeing the world". No, no you won't be doing that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/08/25 08:14 AM
You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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