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What are you looking for? Go out and get it. Disregard the things that don't work, keep the things that do work. If you're honest with yourself and what you're doing in your life you won't need other people to answer your current question.
/r/seduction25/03/11 12:45 PM
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Well, what's a little more info on your situation? Do you have your own place? Are you two crazy college kids old enough to go to a bar to get a drink, what's the deal? After I get a number I tend to have her come to my place, then we get to a bar that's a little more intimate and then it's back to my place. That's what works for me and that's what I like. What do you like? What things do you like that allow for interaction and isolation? As far as getting friend zoned, I can't really remember t…
/r/seduction07/03/11 06:28 AM
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Thanks for the clarification. I now know i'm not interested in this "negging" thing
/r/seduction11/02/11 11:51 PM
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I agree with your backing out. She seemed to want you more, want to justify herself and want you to respond after you took away the offer.
/r/seduction11/02/11 11:48 PM
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Do nothing. Contact her again when you want to setup situations for sexy time. She seems into you and wants your attention
/r/seduction11/02/11 11:47 PM
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No, I naturally smell awesome
/r/seduction11/02/11 11:45 PM
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Let's see now... Don't ask her what she's doing Say "we should" do this awesome thing or something along those lines and then go on to say what that awesome thing is "Hey, we should go see this awesome band that's playing on Saturday it'll be better than the 80's" or some shit like that If she says "no" once to the weekend invite you don't try asking her out five times in the same conversation after that. Talk about something else and invite her to something later on when it's a brand new conver…
/r/seduction11/02/11 11:42 PM
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Stop thinking that there's a "right time" to go in for the kiss. There are actually quite a few women who when I kissed them the first time either moved away or didn't react who later on that night were naked in my bed. Forget perfect, fuck girls
/r/seduction10/02/11 07:20 AM
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Do you mean a woman you've been with for a long time? In that case you should know her better than us. Personally, I don't celebrate valentine's day. The women in my life know this and they don't expect anything out of it. I do give women things they like and try to do it in a surprising fashion. The women I give things to have been a part of my life and have earned intimacy with me and vice versa. Or do you mean a woman who is new to you, you don't have much of a relationship with and you haven…
/r/seduction10/02/11 07:14 AM
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because you want to to lead to communicate ideas fuck palm-reading Also, it's not awkward. Many people touch other people in a non-awkward way even when they have no idea what this "kino" thing is. Touching is just another common form of human communication.
/r/seduction01/02/11 06:04 AM
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I enjoy my job and answer. I might throw in creativity to how I describe it and/or throw in stories about work as well that are fun to me. They are fun to her as well.
/r/seduction01/02/11 06:01 AM
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I'm pretty honest about my unwillingness for monogamy. If the girl chooses to stay who am I to take her choice away from her?
/r/seduction01/02/11 05:58 AM
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I suggest you stop trying to control the universe even when it disagrees with you.
/r/seduction01/02/11 03:33 AM
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"Nope"
/r/seduction28/01/11 05:05 AM
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Say, "wtf is seddit?" then she explains it to you and how it might be beneficial to you since you teach guys this stuff and then you join it. Hmm, my initial experience with how I got to seddit might be a little unique. I'm pretty much honest with all this stuff. Girls I sleep with know that I Teach this stuff on the side Go on sites to give advice Some even know I've been in Lairs (ahh, I love how creepy that word sounds) The bottom line is I like who I am and how I live my life. If she has a p…
/r/seduction23/01/11 04:29 PM
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I wouldn't throw out the idea of negs entirely just because they haven't worked for you yet. Actually, I wouldn't even use terms like negs at all, but for the sake of communicating and helping I will. Negs are a lot like teasing and humorous/playful conversation. And a big part of having enjoyable conversation that includes playful teasing is the timing, delivery and connection. So the issue might not be with negs as a whole, but the slight nuissance differences between western/japanese girls. A…
/r/seduction22/01/11 10:42 PM
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Yeah, I entered a bar with my buddy. We passed these three girls and he said to them, "we'll be in the back." I didn't realize he said this and went to take a piss. Then I rejoined him and three of our other friends in the back of the bar. A minute later the three girls he said that to were hovering around us. He gets the attention of two of em, I start dancing with the other in the back corner, chatting her in her ear, groping her body, my fingers somehow ended up in her vagina in under two min…
/r/seduction21/01/11 06:12 AM
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You might be a little too focused on terms, techniques and models. Next time you're out, skip all the technique shit, just picture the girl you're talking to naked, let yourself go and see where you can take it from there. These are women you're trying to fuck, not diagrams...
/r/seduction21/01/11 06:08 AM
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I don't understand the question. What do you mean so quickly? Going from meeting to sexual interaction (groping, banging, whatever) could take anywhere from a minute to a million years. It usually involves the same elements occurring regardless of how long it takes. Does that count as an answer even though I still feel befuddled by your question?
/r/seduction19/01/11 11:16 PM
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I agree with the first half of absolute. Not enough detail and go with your gut. However, since it's not enough detail it's too early to know if you should stop talking to her as far I can tell
/r/seduction19/01/11 11:14 PM
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Older guys try to do it to girls all the fucking time. It's not called double standards it's called life I can see a woman's interest increasing if she sees other women all over you. Just think of all the creative ways women have avoided you or people you know. That should be a good start for suggestions I would give suggestions, but all the ones I think of probably fit in #3
/r/seduction19/01/11 11:11 PM
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Go back to your place to post those photos on Facebook afterwards. Seems much better than going for drinks afterwards...unless of course those drinks are had at your place.
/r/seduction19/01/11 11:08 PM
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I have a little saying, "it's never over". Just because a girl isn't responding to one of your texts doesn't mean it's over. You should just put in as much investment as it is worth. So maybe in a few days or whatever send a text message that strikes up her interest again. Also, the initial text you sent her was too wishy washy. Let's break it down a little... "I had a great time with you the other night". I'm all for complimenting girls, but in moderation and with proper timing. The fact that y…
/r/seduction12/01/11 06:53 AM
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I'm all for drinking, but judging by the title I think you have issue with the way you think about things/yourself. If you don't feel pathetic you probably shouldn't go out of your way to say so. That being said, I'd suggest learning how to let go of you inhibitions without drinking at all. Then when you feel better about that, go back to tasting a few tasty beverages.
/r/seduction12/01/11 06:39 AM
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You need to include one of those TL/DR cause I only read the title My guess is she's an attractive girl who has shown you the most intimacy and unfortunately the "feelings' you've developed based on that has led you to believe that you are longing for her. Just because an attractive woman cares for you doesn't mean you need to go all emo about her You clearly need to include a lot of other women into your life until you find someone who is NOT YOUR ROOMMATE that you want to be with I don't give …
/r/seduction12/01/11 05:00 AM
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Umm, top 10 businesses in pick up list?
/r/seduction12/01/11 04:57 AM
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6 weeks is a pretty long wait for a peck on the lips. It's cool that you don't sleep with just any guy...cause if you did you'd be pretty fucking tired by now. Regardless, it's pretty much like this, he enjoys all those friendy things they do but he also wants a sex relationship too. It really doesn't take a guy that long to figure the latter out. So if he continues to just have a friendy relationship with her then that would be like sitting down for every meal and only being allowed to drink wa…
/r/seduction12/01/11 04:53 AM
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I believe Chris Rock had a stand up routine that went something like, "if you've been starving for months a fucking cracker will taste glorious. Six months later you finally realize...wait a minute. that was just a stale ass cracker I was getting all worked up about." Get alone time with her. Go for it, make out or whatever. Gently take her hand and put it in your pants. Proceed to have sex or stop hanging out with her depending on how she reacts to your actions.
/r/seduction12/01/11 04:48 AM
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That's cool and it's awesome that you're aware of the problem. For awhile, I felt as though I had developed an overeating problem. And this past year I changed my habits to sort of squash the problem. As you may have already guess, never eating again was not the solution I came up with :)
/r/seduction09/01/11 05:31 AM
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Wow dude. Sounds like you've been fed some bullshit that you ate up well. I'm not saying text them like crazy and I'm not saying avoid them completely via text. But, regardless of all this rules bullshit that people try feeding you, try to remember that people actually exist and this isn't a video game where if you do x, y will always always happen. If this girl is in love with you and texting you like mad. Try to show a little love back. Because if she's texting you her life story and you're re…
/r/seduction08/01/11 06:47 AM
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My guess is the reason why alcohol is affecting you is because you're trying to work off of memory instead of being in the moment with what is going on around you. For example a performer who is trying to recite a script from memory or a student trying to pass a history exam is more likely negatively affected by alcohol than a jazz musician who is improvising or a person writing a creative story.
/r/seduction08/01/11 12:09 AM
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I hated the movie Tron What exactly does "no text game" mean?
/r/seduction07/01/11 09:08 PM
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If you fit stereotypes enjoy it and be fun with it. They'll like your freeness with it. Also, if you have traits which are completely different from the stereotype, but are considered positive then work those in too. The contrasting mixture will be very appealing I'll use me as an example. I'm white, but I'm also from Jersey which has pretty much as many stereotypes as a race. So I'm loud, boisterous, a douche bag, fun, like to party and go for what I want. I'm sure there are other stereotypes, …
/r/seduction07/01/11 08:58 PM
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You have hungover drunk sex in the morning.
/r/seduction07/01/11 08:51 PM
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You're adorable
/r/seduction07/01/11 08:50 PM
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Try to fuck her. You'll figure it out pretty quickly.
/r/seduction07/01/11 05:37 PM
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It strikes me as creepy
/r/seduction06/01/11 11:02 PM
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After a certain age a lot of women don't spend much time "single". After a breakup they find someone new and a decent amount of the time the new person is the reason for the previous relationship's breakup. So you can either hope that she'll magically be single some day or you can be with her.
/r/seduction06/01/11 05:17 AM
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Leagues seem to be a way to meet new women and people in general. Kick ball leagues Curling leagues (I hear this is just an excuse to drink on ice) Volleyball Theater Whatever other leagues/groups might be in your town. I don't explore them too much because I still have friends who go out clubbing, but the few times I join a group it usually works out well.
/r/seduction06/01/11 05:06 AM
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I think the culture around you has created the unintended side effect of leading you into thinking it's ok to throw drinks on people just because they're not interesting to you.
/r/seduction02/01/11 04:39 PM
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If your inner game is rock solid are you being metaphorically clever and implying that it could break and crumble to pieces with the right force acting on it? If not, and you are implying that your inner game is really good, then why do you need help with DHV ideas? If your inner game is really good you shouldn't even care about running into your past gf.
/r/seduction24/12/10 12:03 AM
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Different people want different things. No to marriage and no such thing as the "one" as far as i'm concerned. Only the right ones Only the right ones You might also want to look into "lairs" (I love that name) in your area. Some are good, some are creepy and some are both
/r/seduction24/12/10 12:00 AM
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The biggest trend I've seen in pickup is the usage of bullshit statistics. Just because someone says a girl is 10 times easier or more likely to or whatever the hell doesn't mean it's true. That means some guy is throwing out random numbers based off of his perception of his own experience. Is it true that somethings are out of your hands? Of course. Sorry, but no amount of pickup will ever allow you to control the entire universe. Is it true that if a girl hasn't had sex in a month she'll be mo…
/r/seduction23/12/10 11:43 PM
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Stop caring and don't sexualize. I've had plenty of women that were obviously attracted to my friends or other men near me. I've also had a number of my friends' women attracted to me as well. Nothing bad came from it. Right now what you have is a perceived problem. Is she attracted to you? Don't know and don't care. Do you think she's attracted to you? Yes. Is this an issue? No. Women are attracted to tons of different guys even though they're in a monogamous relationship. Men are attracted to …
/r/seduction18/12/10 10:19 PM
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Interesting article, it pretty much reinforces a number of things mentioned in the video.
/r/seduction07/12/10 06:19 AM
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You know why you backed yourself into a corner? Because you were being full of shit. You can compliment a woman on ANYTHING. Just mean it next time. Don't try to get something from her with tactics, "oh i'm going to get her by qualifying her and then doing the next step and the next step, etc." But, actually go for women that you want because there are things about them that are appealing to you. Be the real you and be ok with being the real you. You'll never find a corner you can't walk away fr…
/r/seduction07/12/10 05:06 AM
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I get called on it all the time. But, then again I run my own website revolving around teaching people this stuff and also have a framed picture related to it in my living room so it's pretty hard not for me to be called on it. Most women that talk to me about it are aware about it from the vh1 tv show and occasionally have heard of David Deangelo as well. Haven't heard any women mention anything else.
/r/seduction07/12/10 04:59 AM
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By not caring about the outcome
/r/seduction21/11/10 07:30 PM
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All these "rules" and "techniques" were designed because they're supposed to help men be better with women (and for men to enjoy life more). So if what you're doing is making you happy and helping you enjoy your relationships with women more...you should keep doing it. Don't ask permission to live your own life.
/r/seduction06/10/10 02:12 AM
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What? How is kissing a girl's neck or face terrible? The neck is an erogenous zone for people, why would this be bad? Hell, I've fingered girls on the dance floor without ever touching lips. Making out is not always a requirement to get sexual.
/r/seduction19/09/10 10:55 PM
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Bring up topics of things you like with her and when she responds positively to one of those things say, "We should totally go do that, let's exchange numbers so we can plan it" or something to that affect.
/r/seduction19/09/10 10:52 PM
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I've been saying the same thing for a long time. Nice to see someone else put it well. Every type of woman goes to a club...including the girls who say, "I'm not the type of girl to go to the club". Also, you tend to attract what you put out. So if you put out negative vibes or things that could be seen as negative in that area, that's the responses you'll receive.
/r/seduction04/09/10 01:14 AM
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Girl being awkward cause of a little hand holding is no big deal. Why was she awkward about it? It don't matter. Continue going on how you were and then hold her hand again. If you feel the need (which I probably wouldn't, but if it's your thing) you can throw in a "Same hand...now with 50% less awkwardness" or "You don't have to be awkward this time" or whatever. I've had a similar experience, but different body part. I've had girls over my apartment on a first or second date and I would go to …
/r/seduction02/09/10 06:23 AM
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Why aren't you holding her bag?
/r/seduction26/08/10 05:57 AM
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This is for #1. Stop crying about your mood, you're not a girl. Women won't be on your cock (figuratively and literally) from the get go. You have to keep going. What you say in the beginning is meaningless. Keep going. If you keep trying to find more attractive women to be in your life, you will freak a lot of people out a lot of the time. People will hate, people will be offended, people will criticize and people will laugh at you. Get over it. From your first example, you should already know …
/r/seduction26/08/10 05:52 AM
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Here's a list: Improved posture (girls who slouch, etc. are less attractive) Smiling Dressing in a way that compliments your body. For example, there are chubby girls and there are chubby girls who wear clothing that accentuates their beauty Hair, you can make that sexier without plastic surgery Give, remove, repeat. Sorry, I haven't come up with a catchy name for that one. Basically, you can be flirty/cute/complimentary/etc. to a guy in a way that makes him think that you're into him and then r…
/r/seduction26/08/10 05:46 AM
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no
/r/seduction26/08/10 05:39 AM
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There's a very easy way to tell if you've been LJBFJKLJEKL:J'ed. Try to fuck her...the Internet can't read this girl's mind. Stop worrying about rejection start worrying about protection.
/r/seduction26/08/10 05:39 AM
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Best response I've ever read
/r/seduction26/08/10 05:37 AM
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Some options that you can use alone or mix together Not notice Not care Laugh and continue talking say "Cool" and continue talking Stop caring about your imaginary status Realize that everything in life is temporary and this super duper jab that puts you at a loss for words only matters for as long as you allow it to matter
/r/seduction26/08/10 05:35 AM
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I don't want to feel like I have to put up an act every day. You're confusing the word "act" and the word "act". When I say "act" I mean it from the perspective of "what kind of actions do you do" and not "pretend to be something". To try and be clearer, from now on I'll use the word "be". Be the man you want to be, not the man you think you are. And frankly, I don't even know how to act like the way I want to be. Yes, you do...sometimes. For example, if you're mother or sister or whoever you're…
/r/seduction20/08/10 11:31 PM
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You'll never be completely fixed. The only time you're completely fixed and satisfied is when you're dead or have given up on life. "Alpha Male" is an imaginary concept. So is the idea of "you". Start being who you want to be and not "who you are". "The reason I'm writing is because I find myself never going for the exceptionally pretty girls. My excuse is that I have no situations in which I have an opening." Create new situations. "and I've never randomly gone up to a group of girls at the mal…
/r/seduction20/08/10 06:57 AM
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pointless, if you're gonna kiss her...kiss her. There's ways to use it to tease the girl of course, buuuuut if you're questioning if it's working I doubt it would be one of the ways
/r/seduction17/08/10 11:21 PM
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No anchoring, no in pockets. At most, put the thumb in the pockets and nothing else. David DeAngelo had a video on body language that was pretty good about the hands thing. Since it's easier to see visuals that to type visuals I'd suggest checking that out if you can get it ahem on sale... Regardless, try to keep them at the sides with the middle finger and thumb touching (as if you were gently holding a potato chip). Only move hands to communicate. Such as when you're poking a girl to tease her…
/r/seduction17/08/10 11:20 PM
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Technically you can “get better with women” without following anything I’m about to say. But, this is a quick write up of things that I think will help people (hopefully you) have a better perspective and outlook. Self Awareness/Self Honesty Improve your frame of mind for certain things. Improve the actions you take Allow your new actions to become habits and your new lifestyle Have Fun! The first one - Self Awareness/Self Honesty Okies, for you to improve yourself you have to be self aware and …
/r/seduction17/08/10 03:01 AM
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"Honestly, I could just toss the number and never even bother to contact her, the only person I got that number for was myself." If you got that number for yourself and you could just toss it away...why did you get the number in the first place? When I go to a supermarket and buy food I don't think "I could just toss all this food away because I got it for ME!". No, I eat the fucking food I bought. You sound like you're too sensitive about the situation and should learn to be non attached to thi…
/r/seduction16/08/10 11:24 PM
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The normal female opener is for her and her friends to hover around the guys she's attracted to and have fun. If you're near them and their line of sight and they see that you're enjoying yourself they will want to open you. Basically, the female opener is when a woman positions herself so that the guy notices her and opens her without realizing she got him to do it.
/r/seduction01/07/10 06:07 AM
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No, the reason why I suggested what I did is because she gave him the number without asking. As in: Girl Thinks: This guy is really annoying me, how do I get rid of him? Guy Says: Bla bla blattity blattity blah Girl Thinks: I've got it! If I give him my number he'll think i'm into him and then he'll leave me alone and go away. Girl Says: Hey here's my number call me sometime Guy Says: Sure! Guy Thinks: Damn she really likes me. I'll leave now so I don't mess it up. The End.
/r/seduction25/06/10 02:17 AM
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Awww shit. The DENNIS System baby. Just watch out for those Philly fans, they hammer people...
/r/seduction25/06/10 12:52 AM
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She wanted to get away from him so she gave him a fake number thinking he'd walk away quicker
/r/seduction25/06/10 12:51 AM
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I've only seen the site one, but percentage wise there seems to be a lot more of the "AFCs" on seduction reddit than there are on the haters block.
/r/seduction25/06/10 12:50 AM
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I think things get more hardcore as the hours get later. You can interpret that sentence anyway you like and it will probably be a correct interpretation of what I mean. If you want women who are a little friendlier and open to you? Probably be better to go out earlier. But, women can still be very open to you in the later hours as well.
/r/seduction25/06/10 12:48 AM
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If you're attracting all these girls, my question to you is, are you fucking them? If not, it sounds like your doing bullshit validating ego stroking. What should you do with this girl or any girl that is attracted to you, that you also find attractive? Stop playing it safe and start sexually escalating. Yes, bring up the fact that your going over seas soon. But, don't make it into a bigger deal than it already is.
/r/seduction25/06/10 12:47 AM
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You know, it's funny because there's tons of writing and cliche conversation about how emotional and self conscious women are. However, as you illustrate in your life story, men can be as emotional and self conscious as women. I guess in the end we're all human. It's shocking, I know. Bottom line you didn't do anything embarrassing. Everyone does weird things all the time and it doesn't really matter. No one cares as much about what you do as you think they do. As for seducing her...again...I do…
/r/seduction25/06/10 12:42 AM
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I'm 29 and I go for girls in their 40's and girls that are 18...and everything in between.
/r/seduction31/05/10 05:23 PM
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Bullshit homie, girls strategize, contemplate, converse, analyze and everything in between. Every girly magazine is includes shit about how they can become more attractive as well as different things like "what does he really mean when he says...". Girls have done this for the longest time, it's only new to guys. Next time you're staying over a girls place flip through some of her magazines or listen to how she talks to some of her female friends about their guy situations when she feels open en…
/r/seduction30/05/10 05:29 PM
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From reading your description it seems like you're a well balanced individual. The things I think you need to work on are: Get an idea of what you want. Personally, when I started this I wanted a mixture of short term and long term relationships. Feel free to evaluate and re-evaluate your goals over time to adjust them based on your needs, wants, desires, etc. My guess is when it comes to women you need work on isolating and escalating. Since you're new at this, it is possible that you want to p…
/r/seduction27/05/10 09:24 PM
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Hah! None taken. I"m obnoxious as fuck sober too...
/r/seduction27/05/10 09:02 PM
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If you mean the type of girl that I'm INCREDIBLY attracted to and connect with on all kinds of levels (looks, sex, personality, emotions, life path, etc.) then I've already met them and experienced relationships with more than one at a time. If you mean the type of girl who's needy, co-dependent and will try to trap you in her life and will allow you to do the same to her...you can keep all those girls for yourself...one at a time of course ;)
/r/seduction26/05/10 11:32 PM
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For the paying for training point. You're stating that a person could reach that level of success on their own. I agree, anyone can reach any level of success on their own. The real question is, are they really reaching the level of success that they want on their own? Or are they merely just capable of doing so. If someone is not satisfied with doing it just by themselves OR not satisfied at the rate which they are seeing success by doing it just by themselves, that's when coaching could come i…
/r/seduction26/05/10 10:31 PM
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Why can't I spend my time with multiple girls? I don't have to get rid of one fantastic girl in my life just because I meet a new one. I want to spend my time with and enjoy the company of both.
/r/seduction26/05/10 10:21 PM
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Yeah, Jeffries was definitely much more fun of a guy to talk to then I expected. I think it could give people some insight as to how some of the "gurus" have grown as individuals and changed over the years. Plus all the shit talking, singing and other random things that ended up in the interview were hilariously awesome.
/r/seduction26/05/10 10:18 PM
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Hi, I'm attractive and I have many many options. Overtime I still value the women that are valuable to me and my life...and I just so happen to have a cock while doing this. How many women get blown off? Don't know and don't care. How many men get blown off? Don't know and don't care. There is no such thing as an advantage. It's simply 2 people (or more if you're into orgies and such) communicating and seeing where they belong in each other's lives. Maybe tonight you belonged in the "blown off" …
/r/seduction26/05/10 05:01 AM
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What about those of us who are non-monogomous (me) and are already in non-monogomous relationships with great women (me again) who wins then? That's right, those of us who realize there is no such thing as winning and losing, but simply a matter of enjoying the life you make for yourself. Do women have it better? Do men have it better? Who gives a fuck, work to keep your life better. Because regardless of what knowledge is or is not out there, it's only the people who know how to enjoy life for …
/r/seduction26/05/10 04:48 AM
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I wouldn't even bother making that much of a judgement about someone. If the girl shows up, awesome. If the girl doesn't show up, oh well. I also have a habit of inviting girls to either do something I'd be doing anyway or have us meet at my place. Either way, I'm not really losing much time or effort. So, I think what i'm saying is, rather than think negatively about myself (the point you're making that I agree with) or thinking negatively about the girl who didn't show up(what you're describin…
/r/seduction26/05/10 01:45 AM
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It might be hard, especially if you do a lot of night/club game (or actually easier since you'll see more of it) but I suggest you stop being emotionally invested in responses like "fuck off. go away". You don't really achieve anything by being stand offish with screaming banshee. It's probably good that you got to experience and endure such garbage, but I suggest learning way to not care about the harsh responses and learning not to stand off with them.
/r/seduction18/05/10 06:18 AM
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Wow, stop crying over little things. A girl walks over to talk to you that I assume you want to talk to, then you should fucking talk to her. Don't wait your turn in line like a schmuck and then walk away when you're tired of waiting. That's passive aggressive whining and that's an example of you not going after what you want. If you grow nice boobs and a vagina the whole waiting for someone to talk to you thing will probably work better. Until then, go after what you want. You are too serious, …
/r/seduction18/05/10 06:08 AM
0

I would write a long response to this post about how there is no such thing as a "nice guy" and the other flaws in his ideas, but then I remembered I already wrote a response article to something very similar. http://datingbysexy.com/2009/12/articles/nice-guys-are-just-assholes-who-dont-know-how-to-get-laidand-cry-about-it-a-rant/
/r/seduction18/05/10 05:56 AM
4

Can we compare cock sizes afterwards? Then perhaps a pissing contest? Then let's ejaculate for distance just to prove who's the best PUA in the world. You know...cause all of this really really matters...
/r/seduction13/05/10 03:51 AM
2

I only skimmed it because i'm not going to waste time reading every book that comes my way, but I've already found: Inaccuracies: He states PU community isn't global. However, I have friends in Asia who are part of communities, not businesses, but communities related to this. Sure it's not in every country, but if it's popular in Western and Eastern countries, what more do you want? Antiquated statements: He quotes RSD as stating that you have to practice x amount of routines a week or whatever.…
/r/seduction08/05/10 05:28 PM
1

Good for you
/r/seduction08/05/10 05:16 PM
6

Great! Of course, when I first read the title, I thought you were really asking how I was doing. I am certainly doing great right now.
/r/seduction03/05/10 06:09 AM
2

I haven't seen this happen since I was 13. My suggestion is experience it and figure it out. Experience teaches a lot. My other suggestion, when they try to take your hat, duck. You're already down there, if you duck they probably won't be able to reach you. Good luck!
/r/seduction03/05/10 06:08 AM
1

When you say you're at the bar, do you mean you're actually standing next to the bar where the bartenders are trying to pour drinks for people? Or do you mean you're in the building that is a bar? If you're standing by the place people are ordering drinks all night...that just seems really weird to me. Why are you doing this? If, on the other hand, you are in the building that is a bar and walking around then why would saying, "I'm good right now" be a problem? I go to bars all the time and don'…
/r/seduction28/04/10 03:22 AM
1

Cobra Starship knows the answer, you drive them wild. Make that good girl go bad
/r/seduction28/04/10 03:19 AM
1

Be willing to do what you need to do when you need to do it.
/r/seduction28/04/10 03:08 AM
4

I can ultimately connect with, trust and love more than 1 person at a time. I also feel that when loving someone you have to be willing to let them be who they wish to be. Love does not mean to cage another person or try to minimalize who/how they let others into their life because of your own fears, insecurities and needs for a false sense of safety.
/r/seduction28/04/10 01:48 AM
3

Great post and a point a lot of people seem to be unaware of. You don't have to be a robot trying to mimic something you read in a book to try and emulate various tactics.
/r/seduction28/04/10 12:24 AM
2

By listening to alan watts, myself or some of my friends talk. It usually reminds me that it doesn't matter...so might as well have fun. Also, words like "embarrassing" are words you should learn to let go of.
/r/seduction28/04/10 12:16 AM
1

Don't look for IOI's. If she's still there that's the only IOI you need. After that just lead it the way you want it to go.
/r/seduction28/04/10 12:14 AM
1

Ignore Ignore Ignore!
/r/seduction28/04/10 12:10 AM
1

Are you being slightly tongue in cheek when you say, "I swear, FTCs work for me"? Because if you are, I find you very funny. Sooo for a FTC to work you need to realize you don't actually need a FTC. People write rules in books so you buy the books and their seminars and their coachings etc. etc. etc. But, it's not actually rules. It's just something that's been naturally done that kind of sort of worked in the situation in the past. That doesn't mean you need to use an FTC in your specific situa…
/r/seduction28/04/10 12:07 AM
5

Do you have a friend that only lets you eat meals with them and no one else? Do they get jealous, upset or angry if you even suggest eating with someone else? No? Me neither. Why? Because it's fucking nuts! Bottom line, is your surroundings have conditioned you in a way to think that something other than monogamy (when feelings are involved) is bad. Well, if you agree, only do monogamy. But, if you disagree (and aren't there emotionally yet) or are willing to try and change then keep doing polyg…
/r/seduction28/04/10 12:02 AM
1

Awesome, keep it fun and keep it going!
/r/seduction27/04/10 11:57 PM
0

My reactions vary and are separated by commas See a cute girl - AHHHH!, must touch, oooh shiny object!, YAY! Are about to approach someone - AHHHH!, must touch, oooh shiny object!, YAY!, not thinking at all Someone approaches you - no idea A girl is hitting on you - damnit I should have left my good looks and charm at home, must touch, oooh shiny object!, YAY!, not thinking at all Someone tries to kiss you - must touch, oooh shiny object!, YAY!, not thinking at all, devour
/r/seduction21/04/10 06:12 AM
1

I know a guy in the "community" who doesn't explain his approach with women as "Radical Honesty", however there are strong similarities between what he does and how that's described. He's also said things along the lines of "you can be everyone's friend or you can get laid, your choice", "start with closing and then only use rapport until you get her to leave" (ie. try to take her home right away and only converse in public as much as you need to) and going up to a girl when she's making you ner…
/r/seduction21/04/10 06:09 AM
2

By not giving a fuck. Also, realizing that girls run a lot based on emotion might help too.
/r/seduction21/04/10 05:36 AM
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though I wonder why you're here, if you aren't interested in changing your behavior for the better in your interactions with women? This was part of my first response to your post: Bottom line is, there is no set rules and no "always" nor "never". So if you want to learn how to get better at touching people perhaps it might be a good idea to touch everyone for awhile. After you are more accustomed to touching, start touching people in a way that makes sense for you and not in a way that someone …
/r/seduction21/04/10 05:35 AM
2

I get where you're coming from. I feel there are times when I read people's advice and it sounds like they read a chapter out of the game or listened to one of those Mystery videos and used that as advice almost verbatim. Anytime I hear someone say something that sounds too close to something I read out of a book I get a gut feeling that they don't actually do anything with women, but do enjoy Internet conversation quite a bit.
/r/seduction21/04/10 05:14 AM
1

Or do both? TADA!
/r/seduction15/04/10 05:10 AM
3

Let's see, I said "there is no set rules and no 'always' nor 'never'". Gave an example of the complete opposite and for that I'm an "outlier" and an "introvert". Awesome. Someone else doubts that i'm an outlier for my opinion and you respond with borderline insulting and very sarcastic remarks. Awesome. Based on your response I suspect you're defensive. You want to talk science, let's talk science. First off, cite your sources since you keep mentioning it. I also assume these experiments (both y…
/r/seduction15/04/10 05:05 AM
5

In case you haven't done it yet, move out. Fix your financial situation to the point where you're ok with it and can have a little money to enjoy life. I'm not saying you need a lot of money. You just need enough money to survive and it'd probably be nice to have a little spending money as well (but not much necessarily) Find friends. Either find lairs in your area (there are a lot in the world) or find hobbies in your area that you can enjoy or at least give a try. As far as lairs go there is o…
/r/seduction15/04/10 04:34 AM
1

I'm against tactics, routines, patterns and all that other shit. However, a big thing in life and pickup and whatever else is this...be willing to do what you have to do the moment you have to do it. If you're willing to do that, life is grand.
/r/seduction15/04/10 04:08 AM
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Fuck ya!
/r/seduction15/04/10 04:05 AM
1

My recommendation is to not get any of those books. Rob Judge just came out with his own book. I haven't read it yet, but if it's anything like some of the things I've heard him say then it should be pretty legit. Normally, at this point I suggest books that aren't direct pickup books, such as anything by Chuck Paluniuck or The Fountainhead by Ayn Rand.
/r/seduction13/04/10 03:07 AM
3

Yes dominating the world is what life is all about. Can't wait until I use my magical PUA skills to socially dominate a small third world nation with nukes and invade a neighboring country.
/r/seduction13/04/10 03:03 AM
5

"Don't worry, he'll still bend you over the table and fuck you like a gorilla"...I amuse me
/r/seduction13/04/10 03:01 AM
1

They don't exist. Especially if i'm with a pretty girl.
/r/seduction13/04/10 03:00 AM
1

Here's a field tested technique...have a personality. I answer these questions based on my personality/mood. Sometimes I respond in a sarcastic teasing thing that women love. Sometimes I respond in this sort of apathetic, "stop crying about the world and let's go back to having fun" way. Sometimes I respond in a perverted, "who gives a shit, they're tits and now I'll fuck em" sort of way. Regardless, the way I respond fits my personality. If you're responding in a way that fits your personality …
/r/seduction13/04/10 02:59 AM
1

My answer on how to turn a friend to a lover ---> Fuck her If you want a lot of information and guides and all that shit for this ONE person then you're just making yourself feel better about yourself (feeding your ego) and in the end the only one you're fucking...is yourself.
/r/seduction13/04/10 02:49 AM
1

start thinking better of yourself or get a better social life start thinking better of your friends or get better friends
/r/seduction13/04/10 02:47 AM
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Umm no. I have a co-worker who does exactly what you say and I want to punch him in the face every time he does it. Bottom line is, there is no set rules and no "always" nor "never". So if you want to learn how to get better at touching people perhaps it might be a good idea to touch everyone for awhile. After you are more accustomed to touching, start touching people in a way that makes sense for you and not in a way that someone else told you to do it.
/r/seduction13/04/10 02:44 AM
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I want to just walk away, as I dislike people who can't hold a conversation. Sorry bud, but I don't think you can walk away from yourself. In this example you are the one who wants to have the conversation not the other person. Therefor you're the one who needs to know how to hold a conversation until the other person wants to join in. That person could probably be perfectly fine with holding a conversation. But, so far you haven't given them reason to be anymore interested in the conversation s…
/r/seduction05/04/10 04:49 AM
1

Heh, no problem bro. Keep the questions rolling in.
/r/seduction30/03/10 10:29 PM
1

I just answer with, "I don't know" because I kind of stopped counting after the first one...
/r/seduction30/03/10 10:26 PM
1

Thank you, I appreciate it :)
/r/seduction30/03/10 03:36 AM
1

Haha, you’re funny to me. The reason you’ve been this lame person is because of your fear of putting yourself out there in social situations, unwillingness to express yourself, unwillingness to get hurt and unwillingness to grow from the pain. Little tricks, routines, etc. aren’t going to stop you from being insecure. It might externally validate you and that external validation might allow you to mask your insecurity for awhile, but it won’t fix the problem. You need to let your personality out…
/r/seduction30/03/10 03:35 AM
0

and turned to talk to the boring guy who was buying her shots and pretending to care about her job If this guy is having a conversation with her and is the "boring guy", what are you if you can't go past 1 question in an entire conversation? Get over yourself, you're not special, he's not special and neither is this asshole who's typing to you right now (me). How do you tell a good story? By TELLING stories. You don't have to be clever or witty or interesting, hell the story doesn't even have to…
/r/seduction29/03/10 07:40 AM
1

Why do you need to slow things down? High-energy? Good. You'll have high-energy, explosive sex if you can pull it off too. Grab her and make out with her or push her into a wall and make out with her, whichever. I'm hoping you've seen some type of movie or other example where the guy passionately pushes her into the wall and starts making out with her. Probably something like Basic Instinct would have a scene like that. If she doesn't want it I'm pretty sure she'll be equipped enough to tell you…
/r/seduction29/03/10 05:45 AM
3

I teach natural game and following your own intent (as in do what you want for your own enjoyment and desires without trying to make others happy/impressed and without trying to make your ego happy). So that's where i'm coming from with the suggestions i'm about to make. Some of it will not be direct game suggestions: Advice - Go out and socialize as much (if not more) than what you read/watch Fight Club/Choke/Invisible Monsters by Chuck Palsajk;lfdj. Not direct game material, but it'll expand y…
/r/seduction24/03/10 04:06 AM
3

In all of my relationships I lead. If I don't want to see a woman on a specific day I won't and I'll say, "I'm occupied". When I do want to see a woman, I tell her that I want to see her at <day, time and place>. I'm not saying that I completely control them and i'm not inflexible either. If a woman I'm with asks to do something that I also want to do or sounds interesting I'll go along with it. But, if they suggest something I don't want to do I'll say so. So that leads me to the question, if y…
/r/seduction24/03/10 03:54 AM
1

I read the "tldr" version You should be exploring other venues anyway Don't dwell on it Just because we have knowledge of these acronyms and "rules" such as DLV, DHV, etc. doesn't mean the entire world will now operate the way we expect. So you did something you think was retarded, so what? The only way you'll ever fuck her (I assume that's what we're talking about since I didn't read the long version) is by persisting. It's not supposed to be pretty, we stumble along the way to everything so ke…
/r/seduction23/03/10 01:48 AM
2

Sure, it's happened to me a couple of time. Some turned into relationships and some turned into 30 second conversations that I giggled about the rest of the night. It happens. That shit is practically pop-culture now so having read it means nothing other than you're a person who reads books.
/r/seduction23/03/10 01:45 AM
2

I like it. But, I always wondered where the hell the word "sarge" came from.
/r/seduction23/03/10 01:41 AM
3

Yeah, there are ways you can probably create attraction. Other people can tell you about that and I'll give an answer to a question you're not asking...but you still want the answer for. Remember, what you truly want is for her to want to fuck you and you to want to fuck her. You don't need to be able to know if she's attracted to you and you don't need to know what she's feeling or any of that to make sex happen. I tend to live by the idea of, "if she's there it's on". If you want her, escalate…
/r/seduction17/03/10 02:08 AM
0

It's a play on ideas. In car commercials they talk about 0-60 in 3 seconds or whatever. You're going from 0 (getting no play) to sex (yay!)...I just made it up on the spot.
/r/seduction17/03/10 01:34 AM
1

This reminds me of an article I just read about pickup. Since I've been babbling about your situation for awhile now, I'll reserve my creativity and just quote the article: Humans need both positive and negative emotions to drive us forward. >When we experience these negative emotions is when things get >interesting. We can choose to engage in behaviors that go after the >problem, solve the puzzle, achieve the goal OR we can spin our wheels >and engage in behaviors that do not bring us closer to…
/r/seduction17/03/10 01:30 AM
0

A lot of the time women stay with a "boyfriend" until they find someone else to spend time with. Also, you aren't responsible for her moral actions. I advise against actively trying to destroy relationships. However, if she is actively trying to be alone with you in your apartment, fuck her. As in, put your dick in her vagina. Stop caring about the boyfriend. He doesn't exist. If she's going out of her way to create a world where he isn't (ie. alone with you in her apartment) then you should not…
/r/seduction17/03/10 01:15 AM
1

You know when you said "fuck it" and just start holding her hand? Yeah, that's my suggestion to you for getting over this kino escalation sticking point. You already know how to solve the issue, by doing it. So now, just do more of it. Don't worry if you're not meeting this imaginary standard of kinoing under a certain amount of time. Do it in a way that feel good for you and push your limits as well. That sentence might be confusing because doing something that feels good and pushing limits sou…
/r/seduction11/03/10 07:44 AM
2

I want to wow this girl tonight, not for her sake, but for my own well >being Change what you base your well being on.
/r/seduction11/03/10 07:36 AM
5

I'm making assumptions, but 18 is a pretty regular age for a girl to be like, "all the boys are after me bla bla bla". So boys are her brand new shiny object because she's finally old enough to spend unsupervised time with them and has grown womanly enough to attract them consistently. Good for her.
/r/seduction11/03/10 07:23 AM
3

In response to your desire to reverse 15+ years of thinking and living I will use the words of Alan Watts, "People will say, 'that is a colossally difficult task because we are so long habituated into it'. And we are taught to believe the longer we are habituated into something the harder it is to change it. And that is true if you believe it...and if you don't it isn't." For this situation or other situations like this try writing down these questions, the answers to them and following it. What…
/r/seduction11/03/10 07:13 AM
1

Awesome. Hopefully you'll get good enough soon that you realize there are no rules.
/r/seduction11/03/10 12:36 AM
1

I know. But, the way you speak represents the way you think and the way you think (and the way you speak) affects a lot of things in life. Phrases like, "have to" and "suck it up" seem to represent the wrong frame of mind when living through the joyous experience of lusting after the girl next door. Happy lusting :)
/r/seduction10/03/10 11:52 PM
1

No no, you don't have to suck anything up. Sucking things up goes back to that whole ego thing. What do you want? To touch her soft skin. What do you want? To taste her mouth. What do you want? To rip off her shirt. What do you want? To throw her on the bed and have your way with her. Perhaps there's sucking involved, but it shouldn't be coming from you. Focus more on "I want to do..." and less on "I have to do." Because, you don't have to do shit. You can sit at home and wait to die. What do yo…
/r/seduction10/03/10 05:05 AM
3

It doesn't matter if she likes you or not. The only reason you care if she likes you or not is because you're worried about your ego getting hurt. Fuck your ego. Are you going after women (this one in particular) because you want to remain safe and protected in this imaginary version of yourself where you somehow magically get the girl? Or are you going after women so that you can get the best and hottest women for you? If you're actually doing this so that you can get the best women for you (th…
/r/seduction09/03/10 03:12 AM
1

Why are "where do you live/work/do" boring questions? You're supposed to be having a conversation with this person. Conversations, usually consist of 2 or more people sharing ideas, feelings, whatever the hell else. So if you have interesting things to share about the three topics that you spend the majority of your life on (work, home, everything else) then a lot of other people will want to add to that conversation and become interesting because they're interested. For me: Where do I live? In …
/r/seduction09/03/10 12:39 AM
1

No clue about this bounce back thing. When she got the text and you saw her mouth "yes you can...". grab the phone from her midway throw it to the ground and say it's just you and me or something along those lines. It would also help if you were already sexualizing the relationship. If i'm with a girl and she's not giving me proper attention and is busy texting, I have a tendency to grab her phone and throw it in a random direction. It usually works out pretty well. You wasted your time bro. On …
/r/seduction05/03/10 12:41 AM
1

What do you want, why do you want it and is it really what you want? Or are you just trying to mirror something? Once you figure out those answers you should be able to figure out what to focus on as well.
/r/seduction05/03/10 12:37 AM
1

Kino is non-sexual. Erogenous zones are of course off limits. I've found >the back of the hand, back of the wrist, and lower forearm are all >perfectly good places that don't make anyone uncomfortable. I completely disagree with this. Kino means touching. You should be wanting to touch a girl everywhere and in every way (or at least almost). Maybe most of the time you don't want to touch a girl in certain areas too fast. But, that really shouldn't stop you from touching her in those places. And …
/r/seduction03/03/10 06:36 AM
2

Love the Story of O. A girl read it to me during college. It was good times...even if I don't remember most of it now... Blink is a good book although some of his comments I also find crackpot. He occasionally does the "because of Occurrence A and because of Occurrence B then C must be true". The whole pulling correlation out of your ass type of writing. But, I did enjoy every book I read from him.
/r/seduction03/03/10 06:26 AM
3

I've seen a few of Juggler's videos and he seems like he would be a cool guy to hang out with. But, after skimming this review it reminds me that there seems to be an absence of sexuality for a community called the seduction community.
/r/seduction03/03/10 02:03 AM
2

Don't be so focused on books. Reading is good and I highly recommend it. But, if you swamp yourself in all these books you're going to fuck yourself up worse than when you started. Try to practice as much as you read and include books completely unrelated to pick up so you can stay human or at least human-like. For touching and with most things I do, I usually do it for a reason. If I want a girl to go in a certain direction with me, my hand will guide her in that direction (either by holding he…
/r/seduction03/03/10 01:50 AM
0

It's wrong because you're doing it in a way that is an act. What's the reason you say things like, "you're kind of boring...". Is it because it's part of your personality or because you're trying to trigger the responses from a girl that you hope to get? When you do things just to get people to react to you instead of because you actually want to do them, then that's creepy manipulative behavior. Or a type of pickup...unfortunately. Focus more on what you want, what you want to do and what you w…
/r/seduction01/03/10 08:33 AM
5

Fuck IOIs You're dancing with a girl? You know what you should do? Pull her closer to you. Start grinding with her, pull her hair, spin her around, TOUCH HER! You're not looking for IOIs. You're looking for sex! You're at a club with women? Start doing what you want with them. Don't wait for all that IOI garbage. Maybe go look up Vin Di Carlo's thing on The Escalation Ladder if you really want material. Other than that, start thinking with your cock more and stop worrying about people's reaction…
/r/seduction01/03/10 08:02 AM
1

You should do exactly what you want based on what you truly want, not what your ego wants, not what some guy from a book tells you to want. Go for what you truly want. Personally, I don't do monogamy. It's a lie where you put another person under restrictive rules so you can give yourself a false sense of safety and try to feel special. Soooo, regardless of the situation for me, I don't do monogamy and am willing to walk away if I have to. You might have different beliefs about monogamy. I will …
/r/seduction01/03/10 07:41 AM
1

No, the "Optimal Male" is subjective
/r/seduction26/02/10 01:05 AM
2

Flirting/makingout/getting a number doesn't necessarily mean much. Especially, in places like clubs where all three things are easy to do. It might help if you provide more info. Until then, a thing that I tend to do is have a reason to get a girl's number. If we're talking about something we both like I'll say, "hey we should do that together let's exchange numbers". I do this because it just makes sense in my life. Why do I want a random girl's number? Well, obviously to fuck her, but there's …
/r/seduction26/02/10 12:59 AM
2

"Who are you" Or I just talk about things I like and she chimes in with related things. When she says something that I like, I let her know. When she doesn't, I try to keep the conversation moving until it's something i'm more interested in.
/r/seduction24/02/10 11:53 PM
7

"I want to have kids and get married". Scariest excuse I ever heard.
/r/seduction24/02/10 11:48 PM
1

A few things: Since this is the first time you're meeting you might have to respike her emotions and get her comfortable with you. But, neither should be very much. You should do what you want. Whatever you like to do, watch or talk about at your apartment is what you should do. Touch her. If you're standing 3 feet away from her the whole time you might as well just draw a line separating the two of you. She's coming to your apartment. Keep doing whatever it is working Enjoy yourself and she wil…
/r/seduction24/02/10 06:50 AM
2

It is an alpha thing to do, however having to ask is not. The reason why having to ask is not alpha thing to do is because you don't know what you want. You should be periodically telling your girlfriend to dress in a way that you want her to. That is, of course, if you want her. If you don't want her then you should just get rid of her. As for when should you make an immediate choice about something she asks about...you should do it when you have an immediate answer and know what you want. Star…
/r/seduction24/02/10 06:39 AM
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