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If my husband and his friend circle is any example try a city that is highly educated and extremely competitive employment wise like NYC, Bay Area, Boston, etc. Then look at all of the Fortune 500 type companies. You should find plenty of them there but they might not be single. Most nicer places (bars, restaurants, gyms, skill classes like cooking or something, sports events like rock climbing, etc) and neighborhoods (parks and stuff) in those areas will also work.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/19 05:58 PM
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Sure. Many are also the consequence of making terrible choices of who to have kids with. My point is the world is awash with example of women getting played. Just go over to /r/dating_advice or similar subreddits to see women lament about always getting used and mistreated by men. Those women aren't necessarily getting "played" they could be splitting up with the fathers of their kids after a completely honest relationship that didn't work out for any number of reasons. That's not what getting "…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/19 05:55 PM
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Single mothers could be a product of poor use of birth control, what kind of stupid argument is that? And men think we are terrible at reading players lol but most of those dudes are only human and very impatient. Don't put out on the first few dates and they disappear.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/19 02:58 PM
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Really early stage or not how you feel about it is going to depend totally on how you feel about him. I'm probably thinking I'm really into this guy and you're thinking "I barely know him" we're like talking past each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/19 04:30 PM
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Not one question. We just figure it out intuitively or by looking at lots of different behaviors (how responsive he is, when he responds, whether he acts dodgy on questions, etc.) It's actually not that hard at all to figure out when he's playing games.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/19 04:27 PM
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Ok yeah that's true he can do whatever he wants at that point but this is from our girl point of view. Like do you want to "hang out" with a guy you have some feelings for hoping for more while he's fucking around? I wanna barf right now just thinking about it. Cut all ties with the sluts then come back to me thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/19 03:47 PM
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Most people assume the other person they are dating isn't casually fucking a whole bunch of people. People have casual phases and serious phases and mixing is like so stupid. Basically this is only a problem and permissible for the slutty girls and guys obsessed with casual sex. LMAO I can just see my face if I am told or discover the dude I'm super into and seemed super into me opening up about being "not serious right now but maybe later" OMG I'd be like "ok bye boy." My friends did this all t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/19 03:44 PM
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This is why girls hold out and ask you nosy questions during date, boys. We've learned from the experiences of our less fortunate friends (every girl group has that one girl that got burned and it always happens when you are fairly young like HS or college age) so we know how to deal with it :)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/19 01:45 PM
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Neither me nor one of my besties would be down for that because it's gross to think of some guy you're catching feelings for (even if just a little) fucking other women while basically feeling "meh" for you hoping he changes his mind. It's literally repulsive I mean if you wanna fuck around do it before you start dating seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/19 03:23 AM
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I can't think of one off the top of my head that underwent any big changes I'm sorry!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/19 04:00 AM
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Very few guys I know from high school went from loser to stud. When I meet my HS friends and we talk about people from HS we've come across 10 years after the fact most of the guys who always had GFs still do or are married and maybe having kids. Many of the not so fortunate ones haven't changed. So I think that the men who are successful with women (not using that alpha term as its always changing meaning here) are either molded very early or born. Examples of late bloomers seem to be non exist…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 02:31 PM
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We usually just call them sluts behind their back and don't take them or anything they say too seriously. The sluttiest girls I've known more closely over the years usually also tended to be pretty immature and erratic. There's one I keep in touch with mostly because some of her drama stories are entertaining if I talk to her like every 6 months lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/19 06:54 PM
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I laughed and some of it and shook my head in disbelief at some of the other parts. Are you that easily influenced that something someone wrote on the Internet changed your entire outlook on friendships and people? They are just toxic bottom barrel men running their mouths. I feel kinda sorry for most of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/19 02:36 PM
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Ass and breasts for girls = muscles and body shape for guys. Sure we like height in various ways (taller than us more important than just tall) but the other stuff makes a bigger impact on attraction to all girls except height obsessed ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/19 03:54 PM
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Red flags to you, but not others.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/19 02:50 PM
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Where are all of the red pill macho hotshot regulars.. no sign of them at all
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 07:22 PM
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I never said ALL Bud Light drinkers are dull and boring. I said most are. I mean I could have told you this in college even, but my now husband probably spoiled me then a bit so anyway.. it's a good rule of thumb. The funny part is people also stuck on that one the most, even though it was obviously not the main point or part of the post. More importantly... Regarding the Bud Light thing in the date (rather than the general above "issue")? Like I said no one totally shot him down with a dealbrea…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 01:56 PM
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Yeah anyone who can read knows what's BS here and what is not
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 01:47 PM
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Women genuinely don't like money? Are you serious? Do you know what nice clothing, bags and shoes cost? And I like filet mignon. Better yet lobster and filet surf and turf. Yum.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 11:13 PM
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Sure being valued for just your money is better than none too!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 10:37 PM
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I'm grateful but that's not what I wanted to be valued for ultimately, it's only a part of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 10:21 PM
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She completed her judgment of him when he couldn't talk about his hobbies obviously the Bud Light remark was loaded when she recalled the story to me. That was the first straw but guess what? First impressions are SUPER important. I never said it was the main dealbreaker at all I was totally mind blown when people started raging about that though while ignoring the bigger problems. It did explain a lot to me about the men here though. You say it's a small thing, but is it? Again for a drinker to…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 09:03 PM
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I'm a girl I don't think guys would care especially here if women used them for sex in fact they would love that
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 08:56 PM
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Being used for what's in between my legs is pretty repulsive to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 08:35 PM
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If you were the starving kid feeding blood donor I'd say a genuine "good for you" that's not superficial and a great thing to do, but clearly no one here is like that at all and they think their even more superficial or mundane activities are better than everyone else's. People here talked about "depth of character" and "class" but had nothing to back up their supposed grand knowledge of these things when pressed a little bit. Truth is some activities are less common or mundane and more "useful"…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 08:26 PM
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You mean maximum amount of value? Anyway, it depends on if you feel that you are getting a "fair" amount of value back from your partner, to use your words. That's the most important thing and is usually subconscious.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 07:24 PM
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Totally with you there. It's the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 07:18 PM
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Do you really think that kind of silly mind game works for people? Lowering standards in an artificial way is no different settling here. You'll probably end up dissatisfied forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 07:10 PM
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I didn't say you were male I said you glossed it over like the male posters. My friend wasn't "so" off put by that, that was just the first thing that she brought up that put her off. And on top of that it wasn't HIS choice that put her off, it's how he presumptuously assumed that's what she drank and didn't show any interest in her preferences or wants. I really don't care what it makes her seem like I know her and you people don't and that wasn't even the point of the post at all. Why should I…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 07:00 PM
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Right right and you've got it all figured out, smartypants you!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 06:04 PM
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Chores and things which are consumed for pure pleasure (alcohol, if you drink) are not remotely comparable. Nobody is passionate about toothpaste not even dentists lol ... you're trying so hard to make this comparison work but it's not happening. Up next... floor cleaning fluids! She didn't get hung up on Bud Light LOL you did. The rejection came because of other things and you totally glossed over that.. exactly like most the other male posters in this thread except a few who didn't go into a w…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 05:49 PM
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It's not a silly expectation to people who were raised in households where parents didn't serve them frozen chicken nuggets every other meal. I made it clear who my friend was and her background should be pretty clear if you can read between the lines. This dude on the surface looked like he had it, but he didn't to my bestie. Me asking about your being insulted is a sign of immaturity even though you're the one throwing out insults? Wow. Sorry, not buying this gaslighting.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 05:36 PM
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What is superficial about putting a smile on someone's face because you made them or recommended to them a tasty drink or food? When my husband and I serve our in laws (or friends) dinner it gets talked about for years after. Explain to me all of these other non-superficial things you and other people in this thread do that makes that look like petty nothing? Are you some lifelong Red Cross guy who donates blood all the time and spends his days in Africa feeding starving kids?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 05:30 PM
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As I said she would rather be alone then for settle for a guy she doesn't consider her soulmate. She never over the years said she was unhappy being single.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 05:28 PM
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Nah but you can generalize that most people who brush their teeth with non fluoridated toothpaste are idiots unless they have some fluoride allergy if that's even a thing. There's also like 2-3 brands of toothpastes, they are all mostly the same (whitening, not whitening, anti this or that) and this is a chore and requirement of life. Food and drink can be PLEASURE and offer people the opportunity to explore far more options than 2-3 brands and similar offerings. Maybe you know little about this…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 05:14 PM
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I like how you think that chemistry and connection is mutually exclusive to taking a few minutes to make a personalized order that could enhance the mood for one or both people. It's absolutely NOT mutually exclusive where did you get this idea? Maybe you're just not very good at making recommendations.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 05:10 PM
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LOL that's actually pretty funny I laughed
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 05:09 PM
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Come on lol you met her 2 weeks ago she might be bonkers.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 05:08 PM
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How many GFs do you go through per year?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 04:40 PM
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current GF at a a few weeks ago. GF LOL - weren't you guys supposed to take it slow and vet these women? Made it official pretty quick huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 04:34 PM
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I mean your definition is reasonable but most men here have some pretty stupid definitions of game or really vague meaningless ones. The way you said it just sounded dumb. Nevermind.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 03:58 PM
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Ha ha ha most people who only drink Bud are boring and cookie cutter all the way. This is true almost all of the time and honestly missing out on some exceptions is not a problem you can't vet everyone the long way that will take forever. Your knowledge of basic drinks makes you more knowledgeable than many others which makes you more interesting and "valuable" in several ways I don't know where you got some weird morality angle here? And yes she judged him on way more than just the Bud gaff.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 03:55 PM
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Yeah you just sound like a typical pessimistic robot that's all too common around here, pretty much your dealbreaker
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 03:52 PM
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It's a ditto for her meaning she has most of the traits men want.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 03:51 PM
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She's the one not interested in committing to any of those guys either? It's a two way street.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 03:51 PM
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No irony at all, you literally didn't define what you even think high class is because you obviously have no clue and are too scared to stick your neck out. No irony there either.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 02:32 PM
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Thanks dude but like I said I've been married for 2 years and with someone for over 7. Bye bye good luck with your pessimistic debbie downer approach to life.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 02:27 PM
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I like how you didn't even try to define what "high class" is, you're just empty talk.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 02:26 PM
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Hahaha yeah OK how do you think that even works lol?? I bet you got nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 02:23 PM
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I mean incels and other low value dudes could probably never understand this stuff that's no surprise. They are only good at rationalizing away.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 02:22 PM
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Pointing out that someone lacks culture doesn't make that person uncultured that's not how it works LOL. If it does work like that, explain in detail please.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 02:16 PM
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Oh ok well all I'm doing is pointing out that the low value men here get exactly what they deserve. This thread made everything come together for me. I'm basically done with my curiosity of pills and what not.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 02:12 PM
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Both go hand in hand very well and that combo isn't just hot, it's knee-weakening. You want fit, high maintenance looks, smart , low n count girls who make decent money to cook you brunch? Get with the program. Or go and get yourself someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 02:10 PM
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People in large metros get married between 25 and 35 dude with a few earlier and a few later.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 02:05 PM
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You didn't answer my question so I won't answer yours
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 02:04 PM
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Food and drink is part of culture there's no debate there and therefore knowing something about that stuff is a minimum for grown ups. Most people are just boring and lazy and never learn about the world around them. This is like understanding mortgages or personal finances. It's just something high value individuals DO and that's that. How do you NOT take an interest in something you consume regularly? What other specific things do you think other people can even relate to? Gender dynamics? :D …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 02:04 PM
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Not for the reasons you think, big difference This thread took a whole different direction and it was priceless
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 01:59 PM
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Try Match or EHarmony one of my friends uses that and some of the guys have pretty extensive profiles so you can get a good idea of what you'll be getting yourself into.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 01:57 PM
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Yeah and no one cares what you think either, oh ho!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 01:51 PM
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Wow so like NOTHING she doesn't do lol ... I mean you might not like "esoteric juice" whatever that is lol but that's way more original and some people will find it more fun than everything you liked.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 01:50 PM
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We can make things up about what he thought all we want, we don't know
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 01:49 PM
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They can't come to grips with the fact that most of their low n count, feminine skilled women who won't divorce rape them and are hot are also more high maintenance types from better off families who have tons of options and aren't sorry about it. I mean I don't know what to tell them...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 01:47 PM
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Yeah it just sounds like you have super thin skin and think you are hot shit, but probably never met cultured, charming men in your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 01:45 PM
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Yeah you're focused on irrelevant details of some "stuck up bitch" while missing the guy's actual downfall lol it's actually pretty astonishing
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 01:45 PM
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Why not if most of my similar to her friends did?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 01:44 PM
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If men want to be perceived as more cultured and smart then knowing about something they consume regularly is kind of a no brainer. Few other things people can relate to as much as food and drink. My friend basically knew more than the other guy about the menu. He looked like a low class clown frat bro to her, but that wasn't even the downfall of him even though all of the clueless men here thought it was (the downfall came later).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 01:43 PM
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Why are you so concerned about her standards?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 01:41 PM
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Hate to break it to you but there ARE chivalrous men out there and most of my closest friends are in relationships, engaged or married to them also like me and their guys have lots of classic masculine traits that never go out of style. My friend who I described here is one of two of my friends who is not taken. 4 including me are. And yeah most of us are similar in taste and what not
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 06:02 AM
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The only thing I am commenting on here is how low effort men are when they want a lot in return in a general sense... where do I ask men to do anything for anyone??
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 06:00 AM
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I mean marrying in your early 30s to mid 30s isn't abnormal or anything, even if later than usual by some amount
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 05:58 AM
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So you literally don't understand the difference between being rejected and rejecting others ... OK lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 05:45 AM
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This is your reaction to a girl being unimpressed with a guy on her date? Just incredible.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 05:11 AM
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Well hey we're not complaining about our job or life situations. I'm sure you're a wizkid from the Ivy across the river though... or are you some angry "engineer" STEMlord from a state school like some other guys here?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 05:08 AM
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Learn what exactly? What are we going to learn? How do get hit on less and then reject unattractive men?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 04:49 AM
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Well she was in a relationship for 3 or so years in college broke up a year or so after she graduated so like I don't know what to tell you? She's not single because she can't get a date it's the opposite really. She's just picky and apparently that's causing a massive load of whining here I love how people think she's unhappy or something she can always settle way down
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 04:48 AM
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So don't do it in a patronizing way people here legit suck at understanding what how do you something can be as important as what you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 04:39 AM
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It's no wonder "men" today have trouble with women because they are lazy and clueless.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 04:38 AM
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She doesn't need it LOL she is using that as a filter for low class, boring, low effort men. She WANTS men who are capable of effortlessly impressing. You think she wants to make that dude scratch made food at home or take the lead on chores for nothing?!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 04:37 AM
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So tell me about this "depth of character" please I can't wait. Not a single person has actually replied lol and I wonder why??
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 04:36 AM
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So no real attachment in these relationships. People will stay together when the are in love and take figure things out about work even if it means a less that perfect work outcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 04:35 AM
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Well that's a ditto for her so what? Most of these red pillers and black pillers are the opposite of charismatic as we have learned here actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 04:33 AM
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She's the one who's saying "no more, next" most of the time so that makes no sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 04:32 AM
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So what do you spend your time on? Pill forums?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 04:32 AM
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This angry little outburst on the other hand is prime alpha male material
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 04:31 AM
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Yeah I understand this is too difficult for you. I get it. It's ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 04:31 AM
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And how is he supposed to 'game' her?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 04:30 AM
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Yes and the point is this "game" they teach lacks certain key things that might actually be impossible to teach. Like I said... he couldn't make her feel good and acted like a robot.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 11:54 PM
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Well yeah it seems that if anything people here are good at making anything Red Pill as long as it makes RP look good lol. I honestly think I'm arguing against the most common interpretation of RP which is "6 figures and lift." Which RP is the best RP isn't my argument. The rest of your comment is accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 11:47 PM
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Uh OK well if you don't enjoy helping people feel good or have a good time because that's a big effort to you then that's that. Good luck to you don't expect anyone to reciprocate anything good towards you. Dumb analogy because children can't help themselves, but my friend could have most certainly done all that herself except she PREFERRED to have him actually make some effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 11:46 PM
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Except dive bars offer terrible atmosphere for a conversation to the point you maybe can't converse at all LOL what kind of stupid suggestion is that? That and terrible service that can sour the mood plus idiots... I mean what?! I mean the place they went had $12-14 drinks and possibly cheaper beer and wine I've been there. That's not that fancy here the really upscale places charge $15-20/drink. I think she suggested the place (not sure) but that's a perfect in the middle spot between dive bar …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 11:26 PM
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Well what's wrong with that? What that masks is someone is likely also not very curious about things and life and generally boring (and as you read in my post he also wasn't even that passionate about his hobbies when talking about them!) so that no-fancy rejection was pretty accurate even if that's all she based it on. Also, what about this illusion of class? That's not really a thing here at all is it.... OK
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 11:14 PM
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I guess she decided she couldn't afford to waste time when the first interaction had zero chemistry
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 11:10 PM
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If I'm a manly man who likes Bud Light, and a girl meets me somewhere fancy, I'll order Bud Light because I like it. If the woman thinks I'm "boring" and "low class" because I'm ordering cheap beer that college kids drink, that's her problem. I own it. Now, I wouldn't have offered her a beer, specifically. I'd have offered to buy her a drink, without bothering to suggest a specific drink because I have no clue what a woman I'm meeting for a first date likes, and the date would have gone on. Righ…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 11:09 PM
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OK but what about all of the other problems in their interaction?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 10:54 PM
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But she interpreted that as him trying to push a cheap drink on to her as her drink for the night so he could save a few bucks, not caring whether she got to experience the unique stuff this place has to offer, not caring about her preferences, etc. Yeah and are you saying she can't be right and that's what he was trying to do? It sounds like what she wanted was 1950s conventional masculinity. A man sitting her down, leaning over and saying, "Hey, do you like vodka drinks? I've heard that the El…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 10:45 PM
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There is indeed nothing weird about bud light but his lack of curiosity is apparent from him being unable to drink or suggest anything else. Like what else does this dude even know? He couldn't even talk about his hobbies in an interesting way
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 10:42 PM
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You are the only one that actually read the post and got the same message from it as I was trying to convey. They all went nuts about a handful of things and frankly it's been quite revealing to me... maybe the most revealing thing I've read on here that has explained all of the "issues" men here have and why they are resorting to pills and whatever other cope groups. They all missed that he was lazy and self centered, which is a big yuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 10:36 PM
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She specifically highlighted a few parts for me and that took like 5-10 mins?? The dude turned out to be boring and super unimpressive what is so weird about this?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 10:31 PM
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I think I had this convo with you, but like I said, the first thing he did was ask her the bud light question. Didn't ask her anything about preferences, didn't even bother to look at the menu, just shot that question at her. This just screened of low class, low effort and boring to her. It was the first hiccup.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 10:30 PM
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She judged him for being presumptuous in a way that devalued her and because, most importantly, he didn't even like try and consult with her about her preferences or make some good suggestions. It wasn't the deal breaker but the start of the bad I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 10:28 PM
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That's called loony bin talk.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 10:25 PM
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He had 2 hours to recover and he did not. He couldn't even passionately tell her about his hobbies and interests which she probably didn't even care about but asked about anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 10:20 PM
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Why shouldn't you make a judgment about that? I asked you about that earlier. Drinking adults should know more about alcoholic beverages than college kids, don't ya think? And any high class high value guy should be able to inquire and make recommendations about that, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 10:06 PM
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Dude I've seen her dating profile it's in depth and makes it pretty clear this girl is more interesting than your typical bimbo. So how can you blame her for taking it that way (my assumption here sure). He can like whatever he wants that's not the point here at all and that is NOT why she judged him.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 09:55 PM
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So what? If he's not a drinker then that's fine but if he is and doesn't know anything about it then it shows a lack of curiosity and effort. Like how is that not obvious?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 09:52 PM
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What awful personality she didn't tell the dude to his face that he sucked? She thought he was low class and lazy omg so awful!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 09:49 PM
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He doesn't have to assume anything which is why I keep saying he needed to ask and try and be the man and LEAD her after he asked
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 09:49 PM
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Ok well she's OK pricing herself out of the market for the time being, maybe forever. Not sure what else to add here
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 08:59 PM
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It's personality types and it impacts how people deal with relationships and relationships problems especially
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 08:58 PM
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What's unreasonable? Being turned off by him assuming she's just a regular bar ho who drinks cheap beer and making no effort to get her something good or what she actually wanted?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 08:46 PM
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Yeah you gotta get with the program if you want low n count women who also have homemaking skills and make good money. Shocker.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 08:23 PM
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I mean she gets dates with well off attractive men with some regularity yet there are always other reasons which RP doesn't talk about which causes her to reject them, mostly, not the other way around. She isn't mad, it just is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 08:22 PM
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The point is he could have asked and been more classy. What's difficult to understand here? This stuff is important unless you date career Hooters waitresses.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 08:21 PM
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Why? What else is someone with a solid income, great level of fitness and extra skills supposed to do? Why settle far down?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 08:19 PM
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LMAO those are literally the last words anyone who knows her would use to describe her. I get it though she rejected a dude who is likely hotter and makes more $$ than most men here so that makes her terrible.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 08:19 PM
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Honestly acting won't do it for my friend, she comes from a well off but not super rich family and will be able to tell apart fake and real class
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 07:44 PM
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Yeah but she prefers that to someone she doesn't jive with, so what is wrong with that?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 07:42 PM
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We don't know that. She's not a loudmouth but definitely holds a great convo in my opinion
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 07:33 PM
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What is patronizing about first asking about her preferences and then making a personalized recommendation if you are knowledgeable about something food or drink related? She may know about beer but maybe he's a wine guy? Etc etc. Great complementary knowledge
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 07:33 PM
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LOL she's making the market in this case dude
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 07:31 PM
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I agree but it's pretty hard to do as an adult I think... any other ideas hell I might share some with her
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 07:30 PM
1

OK so income should be important by implication so stop denying it
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 07:30 PM
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She did say she thought there were way more attractive options (I think she meant RMV wise to translate) in college than now. Oh well. I guess a lot of guys look good on the surface.. but then you find out they aren't that great
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 07:29 PM
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Why do you say that? She dates other men similar to her in income and education and looks. Personality is more subjective obviously. She is the one rejecting most but not all of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 07:27 PM
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Divorce rape is a top topic here
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 07:26 PM
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Hah that is some hilariously cheap vague cliche BS right there "Depth of character" is something you dreamed up for women that don't exist or only fit your narrow bill. That's cool. Sorry they don't talk about the theory of relativity with you. That and way to jump to conclusions about someone. Would you have thought better if she said she wasn't impressed by him because he didn't talk about nuclear physics? :D Tell me more about this "depth of character" you dreamed up
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 07:26 PM
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She's got a while to find someone long before she has to settle for the kitties, Billy O Beta is NO option for her lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 07:23 PM
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OK then?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 07:17 PM
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Oh I'm sorry what am I missing? Eating homemade corned beef sandwiches while drinking Scotch in a tent in the Rockies? What are we missing out on I'm curious?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 07:14 PM
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That's like 4 different topics to me
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 07:13 PM
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Oh please money means she can't "divorce rape" you that easily that's all the men on here whine about like all day
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 07:13 PM
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Why? Why should she settle way down?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 07:12 PM
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LOL you silly willy I'm her girl friend we've been friends for years
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 07:12 PM
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My guess is that's just his kneejerk reaction in him from his previous dates and nights out with guy friends. He doesn't know shit about food or drinks which is pretty sad. Anyone can understand that stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 07:11 PM
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Yes if the women like my friend are too high effort for you then stay home and fap away
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 07:07 PM
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I told everyone that she got turned off (offended was my interpretation of her reaction) by his low class, low effort approach and then he flopped even about talking about his hobbies because he wasn't passionate at all. Just a boring robot.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 07:06 PM
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No I said she doesn't mind being permasingle into the future if she can't find her soulmate (her words). She has been officially single for 3-4 years now. Not dateless. And not unhappy. Just looking for something that is certainly more than low effort "fit and 6 figures"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 07:05 PM
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I think she was hinting that he could have asked her about it and maybe taken some more tact in that. It just shows what kind of women he probably usually dates lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 07:04 PM
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Nope and he's not going to wake up to fresh cooked brunch on a Saturday either
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 07:03 PM
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I've been around them in various state of drunkeness for over half a decade. We have talked about all kinds of weird stuff
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 07:02 PM
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Which was enough to make me think it was worth posting this about how being fit and making 6 figures is just NOT enough to attract women with options.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 06:55 PM
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She can have kids for another 10 years relatively safely, but cool stories with this ill talk. She's 1000x higher value than most women who the average red piller or MGTOW here can snag.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 06:44 PM
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Of course not I openly admitted this to multiple posters here who asked for more details. I don't know all of it. I know enough about because I've known her for like 8+ years and she told me the basics of this bad date.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 06:42 PM
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Well I charitably said he was ABOUT her equivalent on those super facade metrics like income and weight or whatever. That says nothing about his personality or charm or whatever plus skills. She's a KILLER cook. Is the dude a masseur? :)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 06:40 PM
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OK sure I agree with that but to be fair she's also totally aware of that This post was to point out that "6 figures and flat stomach" is not nearly enough to make a girl develop feelings for you
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 06:38 PM
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No I have never heard her want to talk about philosophy, but then again my smartest brightest guy friends who have REALLY high income jobs don't talk about that much either
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 06:37 PM
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LOL yes you caught me, no way could one of my friends be my age. Dumberjack is really smarterjack! :D
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 06:36 PM
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The Bud Light thing was just ONE gaffe of many for him that time
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 06:35 PM
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Sorry that I offered yet another sobering dose of reality of attracting women who men here claim they want yet won't make the effort to attract lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 06:35 PM
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Where did you get the idea that she wants to "leech" from "rich" men when she's quite high income herself?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 06:34 PM
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The dude sounds like he has 0 charm and she was not into him or she would have forgotten about the Bud Light incident by the time he dived into real conversation. LOL exactly... this post and the responses have been very revealing
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 06:30 PM
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By your math she was trying to get with a 1.25% guy because we know nothing about his height. But here's the thing... she's the equivalent of such a guy. Super fit, well educated and good income plus feminine skills like cooking and nurturing. So what's the deal? Her dating pool is basically exclusively those men who in absolute terms are still quite plentiful.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 06:25 PM
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Who says she got pissy? It just turned her off because it was a low effort move
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 06:21 PM
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Are you saying it's going to take her a while or that she doesn't deserve him?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 06:18 PM
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Why would she talk about herself if she obviously had an issue with the guy who wasted her time? She talked to me about this for like 5-10 mins tops before it was dropped and forgotten. I know how she acts and talks in general so I assumed she did show her good sides.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 06:17 PM
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Damn you're a cliche expert aren't you? Bottom line is this guy offered her nothing of value or interest You think she got all excited to cook meatloaf from scratch for him??
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 06:16 PM
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Why is that? Explain in detail.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 06:15 PM
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This is mentally ill talk
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 06:09 PM
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That being fit and making "6 figures" isn't enough to attract women who have options (the same women that people here claim don't exist).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 06:07 PM
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How am I supposed to know? I would assume so knowing what I know about her.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 06:06 PM
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I mean that was just my counter to the stupid "but she's a strong independent woman" line thrown around here.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 06:05 PM
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The point is that he was a low effort dude that didn't make her feel good... he didn't make her feel wanted, cared for or like he really was interested in her. The beer is just an example she used but man it caused a lot of whining from people here that are about as cultured as the average rock in Colorado.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 06:04 PM
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LOL yeah except the men are often even more shallow so they are even worse, except for the angels on here of course
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 06:02 PM
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You obviously don't know how to be chivalrous or impress someone with your knowledge of something most people can relate to. If this dude had a clue about ANYTHING on that menu... cocktails, wine or beer, he'd already be miles ahead of most men who are clueless about anything women could care about. And no they don't care about your knowledge of video games or car engines. But they'd happily try a new awesome beer or wine.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 06:02 PM
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Why? Because she's not settling for some lame boring dude who doesn't know how to be interesting? She could have laughed in his face but she's too nice
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 06:00 PM
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She didn't have the opportunity to at that point in the courting process dude, and she flopped so hard so fast.. how could she?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 05:59 PM
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Not a strawman that's literally what the guy was who went out with her
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 05:57 PM
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Being able to hold an interesting conversation with a girl that excites her, being able to slide that conversation into a little flirting, making the whole date feel natural like the two of you just go together and she's known you forever. It's a skill. Too many idiot guys treat dates like job interviews. They sit across the table and trade interview questions about things from their online dating profiles and talk about their jobs and families all night. Boooooring. I agree with this but mixing…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 05:39 PM
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Which post? All I saw was some cheap strawman which I shot down with the same reply as I did to all of the people here going "errrr why can't she read teh menu herself???" and I'm like "dude she wants the guy to show her he's smart and impress her"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 05:30 PM
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Russian food is tasty but very simple.. I have a friend who is from a former USSR country too
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 05:28 PM
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Citations needed on your 0.4% thing too lol I'm just using that as a vague way to say she has TONS of options too, but they are mostly all lower RMV than her
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 05:26 PM
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You just want this girl who has options to be some devil ... sigh She gave him a shot at recovering with the hobby questions and what not but he blew it
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 05:25 PM
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There is a difference between cooking super basic stuff and being OK at it and what this girl does. She spends hours making gourmet food from scratch. Like your grandma, but probably 2x better (sorry! ;) )
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 05:24 PM
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Your 0.4% thing is made up we don't know the exact details of him esp. his height. She's also a 0.4% girl by your terminology basically. Super fit, educated, fairly high income and will get higher, etc. PS: this girl is a KILLER cook. Killer. I literally lick the plates clean and giggle. She outclasses that guy, actually. He couldn't say one interesting thing to her even about his hobbies.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 05:23 PM
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That's why you first ask questions and THEN choose how you speak to that person... seriously what is so hard about figuring this out without me explaining it?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 05:21 PM
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Of course not lol you have to deserve that ... it takes her hours to cook and he couldn't even take the time to learn about what she likes to drink or make a good recommendation which takes like 2-3 mins
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 05:20 PM
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Yeah she has NO problem being single but would prefer to meet her soul mate. But most men don't cut it for her yet she's also the dream girl for most men here (low n count, would not mind having kids, has some feminine skills like cooking, super nurturing).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 05:18 PM
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How is asking your date to show an interest in you and caring for you and being knowledgeable "stuck up" - explain in detail please
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 05:16 PM
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Well sure the ones who are 23 are more available but also more clueless and have no "extras" in their skill bag in most cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 05:15 PM
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Very easily actually. You ask a few questions to get an idea of how much they know and their past experience and keep your tone gentle and smile while you do it. You use words easy to understand like "sour" or "sweet" ... it's not rocket science, except to men who are not very intelligent.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 05:14 PM
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Most of those women are long off the market by age 27 dude, and they are a minority when you add skills like cooking and super high levels of fitness (most of those women are just dumb ho types)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 05:13 PM
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It's not about reading LOL it's about providing recommendations which are personalized which requires knowledge and effort and shows that you care about her This thread is eye opening to why the men here can't get a girlfriend
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 05:12 PM
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Yes true, but he basically lacked all of the things that would actually make her want to date him (passion, effort, care, knowledge) beyond the physical or money.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 05:11 PM
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Uh yeah except she loves to cook from scratch and that's her way of "giving back" let's just say. Amazing cook actually. So the dude needs to provide some value as well. He didn't, like most men don't and yet they want non slutty women without kids from other men who also make good money... LOL!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 05:09 PM
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Yeah that's called "low effort" thinking lol Enjoy your single moms
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 05:08 PM
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My friend isn't going to fuck me because I'm a straight married woman lol And we have no idea if the guy is tall or not she didn't say .. just that he looked fit/good on his dating profile pics. And the other women he'll replace her with are likely lower income, less intelligent, less fit... hell maybe single moms! Oops!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 05:07 PM
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Uh, high maintenance is parity with high maintenance using your terminology. That's the only way this works.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 05:05 PM
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Be like "so what do you enjoy usually?" "Oh I see, there's X, Y and Z on the menu and you should really like those based on what you just described." Effort. Knowledge. Care.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 05:05 PM
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Oh look more cheap strawmen from the boys who can't get the girl they want
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 05:04 PM
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Yeah no way could he explain it in an interesting, engaging, not condescending way, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 05:03 PM
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She just wanted him to take an interest in helping her and showing that he's both knowledgeable and caring...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 05:02 PM
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Nice strawman dude. If you don't have a clue on how to be a chivalrous man who helps your date choose something to make her feel good (showing care, knowledge and interest in HER) then that's on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 05:01 PM
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Could be both and that's a mix that won't work
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 05:00 PM
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So she's a dick because she rejected a low effort dude? OK. Interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 05:00 PM
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LOL yeah if he wants low maintenance with hairy body parts that's definitely a good test! But if he wants a girl with perfect hygiene then get with the program.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 04:59 PM
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She doesn't she's a huge animal lover. Her grandparents have like half a dozen cats it's crazy
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 04:58 PM
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You're right maybe the guy did lie, no way to know and I don't recall her mentioning his job
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 04:57 PM
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LOL yeah basically he flopped on a bunch of levels, but bottom line is he didn't make her feel good and was boring on many counts... oh well
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 04:57 PM
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All people are somewhat shallow that's not news or anything
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 04:56 PM
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Well now you removed the dumb strawman of the "strong independent woman." She doesn't NEED help, she WOULD LIKE IT because it shows knowledge, care and chivalry! Do you see this?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 04:47 PM
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She was turned off because he was low effort, it has nothing to do with her class anything. My husbands helps me with the wine list all the time because that's his thing (he got it from his parents).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 04:46 PM
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Well in this case we figure out that tons of the men on here are low effort and their results with women are totally expected
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 04:44 PM
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What kind of dumb strawman argument is that?? She's not a bitter blogger lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 04:43 PM
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Low effort approach = turn off Yell all you want but you have to live with it
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 04:42 PM
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Yeah girls who volunteer at the animal shelter their precious time are all insufferable cunts dude, cool story
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 04:41 PM
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In your example your burger-beer order shouldn't matter though if you look very fit... then it's like who cares? My friend was turned off (maybe not offended) by the guy's low effort, low knowledge approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 04:40 PM
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I mean some women CAN be super demanding and at least somewhat shallow .. so what?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 04:37 PM
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Nah she just doesn't want to date low effort, boring, robots who don't have a clue about anything around them
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 04:36 PM
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LOL so yeah she says she's OK being permasingle as I mentioned to someone else. That might be her who knows? Point is she has the qualities many men here want but they can't handle what it takes to snag someone like her (not slutty, fit, not airheaded, sweet/gentle).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 04:35 PM
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Why? The dude was slightly older than her I think and he doesn't earn THAT much more than her. I thought you boys wanted to be valued for your providership too?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 04:34 PM
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Yeah she should totally settle for the self absorbed low-effort assholes of the world. Totally.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 04:31 PM
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She was turned off (maybe not offended) by his lazy and low effort way. Difficult to understand?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 04:29 PM
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The poor sap I got stuck with works in a world famous management consulting firm and I've been with him for almost 8 years.. married 2 now :)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 04:28 PM
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I think she assumed he was into good food and drink when they agreed to meet at that place? That's kind of obvious isn't it? She's gone on dates to dive bar type places before too if I recall correctly. I mean you're going to tell me that a 2-5 minute diversion into the menu is bad? How on earth?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 04:26 PM
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Yeah cool story about good looking high income guys not wanting to settle down.. they are smart enough to know that the longer they wait to lock down a girl the more likely they'll get the leftovers...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 04:24 PM
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This isn't about getting laid, it's about LTR and dating, which is part of the RP toolbox.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 04:23 PM
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I'm not into chicks my dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 04:22 PM
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Yes. Have you ever seen anything more than a menu with like 5 beers on it? And 3 wines? And Baileys? I'm assuming the place had a food menu, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 04:21 PM
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"Offended" was my words, not hers. I guess she was turned off by his lack of knowledge and interest in being a man and helping her.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 04:20 PM
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OK cool dude so you make the same as a 27 year old girl, bravo. You want non slutty girls with something more than air in their heads you can't be some self absorbed weirdo who talks shit about women on the Internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 04:18 PM
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It's got nothing to do with "towards women" you really need to get out of this mindset of us vs. them. It's about empathy towards a specific person, in this case, your date, or any other human being.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 04:17 PM
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Yeah that's not how this works at all. First of all they were sitting at the bar of a restaurant/lounge, not a table.. that much I know. Secondly, the dude didn't even get a menu he just asked her that question about Bud Light without even asking the bartender about what was available or offered or whatever. Weak game. He also could have shown interest in her preferences right there by asking her questions about ... her preferences! Very personal convo and perfectly fine for a chat for a few min…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 04:16 PM
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About 3-4 years? She said she's cool being single until she finds her soul mate even if that never happens. I mean what is she supposed to do? The dude flopped on multiple counts here. How bad do you want this girl to be the evil bad one here?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 04:08 PM
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Nope. She actually said that even before they were offered menus he asked her that. LOL.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 04:06 PM
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I can't read her mind obviously, but I'd imagine that he had opportunities to redeem himself like when she asked him about his hobbies and he flopped AGAIN
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 04:05 PM
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Having a spine and being empathetic (connecting with people and understanding them) aren't even the same thing
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 04:05 PM
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That's not really arguing against what I am saying. I didn't say that they said to do that, but rather that it's not enough to generate any kind of attraction no matter how it's brought to light.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 04:04 PM
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So you can't be sweet AND have an interest or knowledge in something beyond the most basic things? Explain this in detail for us.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 04:03 PM
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This was downtown and in a metro, so it was likely uber or taxi. What's so uptight about wanting a man who is knowledgeable and actually cares about helping the girl? He doesn't deserve a minute of her time, fun time or not. The dude is lazy and clueless. No chivalry.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 04:02 PM
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The guys you are calling betas are actually total doormats lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 03:59 PM
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It would be way WAY hotter if her DATE helped her navigate the menu. Like showing care and showing knowledge all at the same time.This is like mind blowing to men here apparently LOL OH and this wasn't a SUPER fancy place so the servers can be spotty with their knowledge and recs.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 03:58 PM
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Yeah perfect just hide it all away in your checking account earning next to nothing or invest it long-term in the stock market right? Who wants to enjoy anything nice today? Yawn. Life is about balance, boys. If you're a boring frugal something something then you don't impress girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 03:56 PM
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What? She asked him specifically about his hobbies and he couldn't even talk about those with any passion please read the OP carefully
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 03:54 PM
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It's not me, it's literally what they say... "RP is a tool box"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 03:53 PM
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I don't know but the fact that he made no effort to help HER was what made him look like a no-chivalry no-knowledge loser... you're not looking at this the right way...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 03:53 PM
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I think the fact that he didn't know shit about the menu was what put her off the most (screams "clueless grown up"), just like he couldn't even talk passionately about HIS hobbies from his dating profile. I mean he could neither recommend a more interesting beer, wine or cocktail or appetizer or anything. Boring...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 03:42 PM
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Dang OK, even a few dates in seems like it's a little early, but glad it worked out for you. Maybe it depends on context of the conversations.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 03:40 PM
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RP is supposed to give men options including those for LTRs. Some men from that group whine that women "aren't into LTRs" or "aren't LTR material" but I think these specific men are the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 03:39 PM
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I mean he can get whatever he wants but why'd he assume she wanted something college kids drink exclusively at rowdy parties when they both agreed to meet at a nicer joint?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 03:38 PM
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Six figures (probably just barely) isn't doing him any favors though that is the point. Like she said he neither dressed very well nor had anything interesting to talk about (like travel or experiences) and didn't know shit about basic gourmet American food or drinks. So what good is that money? Is he blowing it frivolously at the casino or doing nothing with it at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 03:36 PM
1

Oh I see and what could possibly be stopping you from wanting to commit?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 03:34 PM
2

You keep on matching and going out with them lol that's the point and you're still single
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 02:45 PM
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So you only match and meet up with loser women who would drag you down? If that's what you meant... nothing sounding fishy there? At 20-30 per year? 60-100 total already?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 02:11 PM
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Complaining, So literally nothing could be wrong with you, right? Sigh... I feel bad for the women who's time you waste while you try and bullshit your way to a league above yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 06:54 PM
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Well basically the same height as them then lol yeah
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 03:09 AM
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Did they just date shorter girls?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 10:27 PM
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LOL that is some total bullshit
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 10:14 PM
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No you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 06:46 PM
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You are definitely obsessed with height (your height) because you think that height is the key be all end all trait to say how sexy you are but that is not accurate at all. Yes, short men can get casual sex, but you have to have other traits that make you sexy physically. If you do not, you are going to probably have to settle for some not to attractive girls I'd think...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 06:39 PM
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Dude what is wrong with you I wanted to get sexual with my high school crush like isn't that so obvious!?!? He wasn't into me and was interested in someone else though. My BF in high school wasn't tall either.. like 5'7-5'8? What several women said or supposedly said doesn't mean shit go outside and you'll see very short men who are like 5'4 with girlfriends so clearly they are sexual enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 06:28 PM
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Duh what kind of stupid question is that? How a man presents himself (like self care and style) plus his build/fitness and face are probably more important than how tall he is (they are to me anyway) unless he's like a 5'1 super short dude. I had a huge crush in high school on a guy who was my height and I'm 5'5.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 06:03 PM
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Didn't someone debunk that stat as being inaccurate? It's more like 5-10%? Anyway, everyone else has to accept that they need to pair off at some point on their RMV level, basically?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 05:09 PM
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There is no way you can prove that assertion right or wrong, so you're welcome to think whatever you like.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 02:23 PM
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Only if "getting men" means getting sex from whoever she targets, not necessarily a relationship from the men she wants, though. Men will set the bar higher for a relationship in my experience, but casual sex with far less attractive girls is common.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 02:01 PM
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So basically you're from some random country that most people on this website can't relate to and you never actually meet high RMV women so you have no idea what they are doing, except this one outlier example of Lori Jones. I hate to break it to you, but those very attractive overall women are dating very attractive overall men, and there are about equal amounts of both out there. You don't have to believe me if you don't want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 01:57 PM
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How can you possibly be this narrow minded or illogical? Even if Chads didn't ever want to befriend non-Chads... the non-Chads have each other. How does this not come across your mind? Most men cannot marry down or WAY down because then where are the most attractive women (RMV overall) left? They would be single. They are definitely not. You're making the mistake of comparing male and female RMV directly and that's just loony. Also, they are definitely not marrying single moms. You sound like yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/19 04:40 PM
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Only when those guys are incredibly attractive. About 50% of married men are forced by nature to settle for women who are fat, ugly, boring and have nothing in common with them. At least the woman got alpha genes, those men get omega eggs. That makes no sense at all. Alpha gets with alpha. Omega with omega. Men are not disproportionately Omega as you call it in a holistic sense, that's totally made up. Pump and dump. Highly desirable men have 5-10 relationships and fuck 30-40 women before they s…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/19 03:59 PM
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I mean there are plenty of guys who end up settling for women who should not have any business becoming anyone's wife, simply because no women of similar RMV want to be their partners. OK and some women settle for men who have no business becoming anyone's husband... so? Women who seek social interaction, even boring ones, will almost always find groups willing to take them in and find partners for them. How the hell does this work if there would be no men in those groups since the men are suppo…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/19 04:03 PM
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Most people pair off with equal RMV partners, nothing else make any sense or there are entire swathes of people who are single, when this is usually not the case. If you mean "settled for" in an absolute sense like a super boring ugly person got partnered with... well both people likely "settled" in this case way before their desires. In other words they are both boring and ugly. Key point is both people are "settling."
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/19 03:41 PM
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Gotta wonder why all of the fit, pretty girls who have bachelors or higher degrees are mostly married or in relationships then... they are finding partners and their partners are accepting them. Equal RMV people pair off, and it's especially easy and quick for the higher RMV people (they go for each other).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/19 03:34 PM
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For the daily weekday routine I avoid doing too much with my eyes in terms of eyeliner and shadow but use some primer and foundation and a little concealer and blush. Takes me like 5-10 mins. For a night out more effort on the eyes and contouring ... anything goes really.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/19 02:56 PM
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You can say the same thing about men, so what?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/19 02:36 PM
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Yes ditto Mr Lobster, while white, also uses a moisturizer esp in winter here in New England to avoid having flaky chafing skin, which is nasty.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/19 04:21 PM
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Well duh babies these days change their own diapers anyway and toddlers don't run around like suicidal maniacs..
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/19 03:44 PM
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This has nothing to do with who middle school, high school and college aged girls are dating. The average age difference for even couples in their 20s in +2 years for the guy. I would bet this is even lower for people in school. Seriously, are you homeschooled? Do you live in a tiny town in a Dakota?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/19 02:50 PM
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Then who do you think the very young women are dating LOL ?? Early high school girls with college aged or older men? College girls with only post college men? School kids date school kids. College kids date college kids. Get real dude and go outside. Are you homeschooled?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/19 02:25 PM
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I noticed they tend to be very tall themselves or overweight. Usually both. Likes with likes. I also think you're totally missing how important attractive faces (like way more than height or big size) are but that's OK.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/19 05:21 AM
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Um well sorry but I guess you're just stuck with the older chubby balding leftovers, so cute is definitely out the window, but so is handsome or any other thing that describes men who women are really into.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/19 03:56 AM
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First of all people are losing their virginity later, that's what actual research into Millennial sexuality shows (people have posted lots of links here about that). And you didn't really say anything to refute my point which is that young people date young people plus or minus a few years of age, especially in school/college.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/19 03:53 AM
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No one can have a perfect mate or all of their preferences, anyone who tries is a total idiot and likely not even close to perfect.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/19 03:51 AM
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That has nothing to do with the misogynistic crap I'm talking about I'm not going to let you hijack this conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/19 03:50 AM
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Maybe shorter guys should avoid online dating then and stick to how it's always been done. It's not like there's a shortage of short guys with girlfriends where I'm from.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/19 03:50 AM
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There's a tendency for younger men to avoid commitment, but yeah, plenty of them want relationships too can't disagree with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/19 03:49 AM
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I just like being wrapped up in the arms of the guy I'm crazy for. I like touching him, kissing him, just being next to him. I also have a pretty good idea of what myself or even most people think is trivial stuff for relationships and attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/19 03:47 AM
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Men and women like partners who are great in bed, what are you talking about?! Like seriously, are you thinking right now? Most young people are inexperienced in bed and they gain that experience together. This really isn't rocket science lol
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 11:15 PM
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What observed behavior are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 11:08 PM
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I may have gotten lucky to some degree but it has also shown me something about what works and what doesn't (the things I did have not messed up my relationship/marriage for example... and what I didn't do probably isn't all that important).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 11:03 PM
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It doesn't matter if the men don't have much experience because the women do not either and most of those very young women are NOT dating men outside of their school social circle. Outliers do not make the rule either, don't even try that crap
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 11:02 PM
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That's not the misogynistic part at all nice try ... the sub is loaded with all kinds of garbage, including pretty low class trashy posts in the side bar about teenagers and bitches.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 11:01 PM
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So what? The men they do want to fuck are not the exact same group of men
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 11:00 PM
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Well I mean some things are more obvious and less controversial than others... it's pretty obvious that most guys do like boobs and or ass though lol
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 11:00 PM
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Actual behavioral data is often self reported anyway, so your point is kinda moot
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 10:59 PM
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Athletic build men are way hotter than tall or very tall men. Very tall men often look disproportionate and awkward.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 08:11 PM
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Why? It's like econ 101. More women than men want relationships so men are in higher demand in this case. Opposite is true for casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 08:10 PM
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It's not affecting me as much as some other people who are being in some ways brainwashed by a jaded way to look at relationships or life.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 08:09 PM
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The question is how much does it matter? I've seen some posters show sources that claim that about 50% of women don't mind shorter partners even. The height things becomes an issues for men who are like 5'1 or something which is super rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 08:09 PM
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Nah mostly about how height and size differences are blown way out of proportion in importance here. Most women are totally cool dating men about the same height and size as them. They are more likely to reject men outright for not having an attractive face.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 06:12 PM
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What you can learn here is how an echo chamber loaded with made up "facts" can negatively impact people (even this "neutral" space is an echo chamber). I'm a happily married woman in my mid to late 20s and this stuff does not help anyone except people who should really go see a therapist. It does not represent how people think or feel in general nor does it accurately describe the theory or practical aspects of attraction between men and women. This is the conclusion I came to after reading some…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 06:07 PM
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It's not false, it sums up what I see pretty well.. I think women get casual sex easier but men might actually have a dating advantage (esp in early 20s).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 05:57 PM
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Yeah I agree that some things which are masculine are also sexy (most of the time they are not called masculinity though), but this weird size difference obsession here isn't one of them as it's totally bottom of the list in importance.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 05:50 PM
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Honestly wrapping up what's left of my curiosity of this pill and Manosphere stuff
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 05:36 PM
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I had some relationships like that in like high school, but for me those didn't work out because I actually didn't trust the guys enough to believe that they wanted something more serious. Well of course if something more serious was even possible with moving around for college and what not was also part of the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 04:28 PM
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Yeah and let me tell ya the subconscious decisions when it comes to this weird size difference thingy are pretty paltry compared to like a dozen way more important things that are also subconscious or biological if you want to go down that ever so popular route. That and priorities... some people need to get theirs straight. Otherwise I'd be sitting here obsessing over how IF my husband's penis was like 2" longer maybe he'd be able to make me feel better in bed in every weird position ever creat…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 04:17 PM
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Not in the same way that people talk about it here it's not
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 04:14 PM
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Yeah I agree with that but that's got nothing to do with this size difference topic that's really overblown
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 04:13 PM
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Except I never really considered him being like 4" taller than me to be even remotely important to my attraction to him even physically
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 04:13 PM
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Cute obviously doesn't have anything to do with his size it's something else entirely. Have you ever tried putting your head on a guy's shoulder maybe? In my biggest heels I'm the same height as my husband and that works great actually. Also what kind of idiot bases relationship decisions in particular on these silly little things like in what position you can hug or something? I mean no wonder people have problems with their love lives LOL.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 03:56 PM
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I think you've been reading weird stuff on the Internet for way too long. Do you enjoy reading that site where guys make fun of women with craigslist dating ads or something? All that stuff is low grade fluff talk in the grand scheme of things, like guys locker room talking about big tits and booties. What's so masculine cute faces of guys? Because "cute" comes up the most in real life when girls swoon over guys. I mean how huge does this girl have to be to not be able to bury her head in her gu…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 03:48 PM
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What is considered sexually attractive is way more than what people here make it out to be in discussions like this one. All I know is masculinity and femininity are almost never mentioned unless there is something really wacky going on in those departments.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 03:27 PM
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The thing is that this masculinity/femininity thing is not really a key part of attraction at all to most girls. I mean no one normal talks about this stuff, to be polite, because it's just not a big deal. Girls talk about "cute", handsome or "fit" guys 5000 times more than "masculine" guys. I mean even "cool" or "funny" come up more. Masculinity and femininity is only relevant for some weird extreme example or context where some wallflower dude is having issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 03:03 PM
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By that token anyone who is clued in is "red pilled" but that would be pretty poor grouping of people at large because many do not want to be associated with the blatantly misogynistic nature of some RP materials and yes that includes what random posters there say.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 02:53 PM
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People here have a really strange fixation on masculinity/femininity and then especially this height thing for guys and making girls feel "feminine." I think the women here are really masculine so they have some strange insecurities about their femininity. I mean even if you want to focus on masculinity/femininity there are like a ton of other things which make a guy a guy and a girl a girl so as long as the guy actually looks like a guy... so it's only really frail girly men that are going to h…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 02:47 PM
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No this is my first ever account on this site
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 07:19 PM
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Ok I don't know what more I can say but yeah it feels like I started posting here ages ago to me I don't know what's so weird about this
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 07:19 PM
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LOL I guess we have totally different things in our mind about "ages ago" that's like 4-5 months in my mind. "Recently" would be like last week.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 07:17 PM
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Not really? Like half a year? Why do you ask?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 07:14 PM
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The first time I ever posted on reddit was last summer when I came here for gardening advice and then I stumbled on this place because a bunch of Manospherian guys were overrunning a thread that was on the front page or reddit, which led me here. Why do you ask?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 07:11 PM
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I don't get what that joke or reference is sorry
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 07:04 PM
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What do you mean where? We don't want the men we are dating having sexual intercourse with anyone else but us, duh. We don't want STDs. We don't want to think about him fucking some other ho when we're getting feelings for him and falling for him. What is the need to explain anything here? This is true for MOST women of ALL ages. Ages ago for all of the weirdos on here I even posted a link to a survey that showed that one of the TOP (like #1 or 2) turn offs from ALL for people is their potential…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 05:40 PM
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Did you copy and paste this from somewhere? :|
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 02:20 PM
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My friend went through a bad break up (they weren't married or engaged) and was also living with her SO at the time. She said she was more or less able to keep her sanity by just ignoring him 99.9% of the time and only talking about apartment expense related things and keeping herself busy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/19 05:36 PM
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In that brevity all meaning is lost in this case. One guy thinks alphas never marry the other thinks it's guys with nice jaws and legs. Nice argument there. Keep at it. Just not with me. Bye.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/19 03:00 PM
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That has no relevance at all to this topic. You basically said "sexy things are sexy."
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/19 02:31 PM
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Every discussion requires more precision because none of those terms have any, and the more precise terms describe actual understandable traits and behaviors which people here claim mean something.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/19 02:31 PM
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I responded to your "it's been discussed a million times" line which implied there is some agreed upon definition. It has, yet there is no definition that has been agreed upon. I'll leave it to you to find the sidebars.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/19 06:17 AM
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"A little" and "a lot" is too much ambiguity in situations where more precise terms can be used. "A little sugar" to "a lot of flour"? Try "2 tablespoons of granulated sugar to 1 cup of all purpose flour." So guess what? Some sociology topics could easily use more precise terms, especially this grade school level baloney of alpha and beta.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/19 06:16 AM
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Yeah except that doesn't match the PPD or TRP sidebar definitions unless you want to do some serious mental gymnastics and twist words around so hard you can hear them scream. Add to those another 5,000 definitions from all other users. Pretty much proves the OP's point and mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/19 06:04 AM
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I think it's pretty clear that most people talk right past one another and will just "circlejerk" away their gender or pill members without truly knowing what the other person means or says. And naturally when you talk right past one another you aren't really agreeing on anything (such as what alpha or beta means in practice in the real world, because you haven't even agreed on the definition of such things). In the end The Red Pill becomes a self-assigned title of enlightenment to make certain …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/19 05:49 AM
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Well growing up in CT and then one of the nicest parts of MA (right outside of Boston), going to BC, experiencing the finer things in life thanks to my parents when I was young, and now working a top firm in Biotech... I think I'm objectively more classy than most Americans, period. Just the facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/19 05:45 AM
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It's issues like that why I can't think why anyone in their right mind would think that discussions here actually go anywhere and that any of it actually represents how things work in the real world.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/19 05:42 AM
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Pretty sure that the preteen boys can look at boobs in other places even if in less concentration in one place, and that's assuming that the particular Hooters is full of waitresses that have huge boobs (far from all of them do). Nothing wrong with it for a simple family meal if your kids like wings and that type of food (perfectly fine occasionally).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/19 02:40 PM
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Based on what I know about them they will also say that because they have something to sell you that is supposed to help you no matter what (no matter your looks, in this case).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/19 06:30 PM
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You're joking right? blackout will hurl insults like a raging teenager and then you current mods don't even ban him. He's literally one of the biggest ragers around here that I've met in my time here.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/19 05:15 PM
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You'd be surprised how poor self care will ruin all of that good genetics stuff. Most guys suck big time as making themselves look sexy (doing their hair, cologne, actually well fitted clothing, etc)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/19 05:12 PM
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Depends on how fit or unfit the 5'9 guy was.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/19 05:08 PM
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I'm not going to explain anything about your skewed (largely made up) perception of reality because I don't see anything you said as generally factual.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/19 05:04 PM
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"Theories" like that are a dime a dozen.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/19 04:45 PM
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Something reeks of trashiness and exactly ZERO class.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/19 03:19 PM
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I don't see why either sex would put themselves into a relationship where the other person wasn't rocking their dick/whatever, which makes your point even more moot.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 05:27 PM
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You obviously don't see the problem or potential problem because you can't. I am pointing that out.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 03:17 PM
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That was the whole point DUH if you can't read that this was implied that's your problem (the whole point here is that some women have certain issues and one way this is expressed is promiscuity and this makes their attachment different) So go ahead and let us know how you're going to self diagnose your attachment style vs other women. Of course you can't so you're just deflecting and weaseling with your argument about argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 02:55 PM
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Ok then tell us in detail how you are going to self diagnose your attachment vs that of other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 02:48 PM
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Well said this is exactly why I avoided long shots with guys and avoided doing things perceived as slutty. You can't hide your promiscuity forever and a dozen romps with someone I barely know weren't remotely worth it in my mind. Meeting a cute boy I was really into who wanted a relationship in college only to later have him have second thoughts because something slutty about me starts to surface scared the hell outta me.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 02:37 PM
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There is nothing normal about how Atlas describes women because "Atlas" is not remotely normal for a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 02:33 PM
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You can easily gender flip this "theory" of yours that men also compare to their past bombshells who blew their mind in bed. That and if women end up LTRing their #2 or #4 sexy guy and not #1 guy doesn't really mean there is a huge and "to long for" difference between her #1 and the 2 3 or 4.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 02:32 PM
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Yeah I mean it really doesn't sounds like you build a strong connection or have a sense of attachment to other men or people in general and there really is no way to you to self diagnose for that and realize it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 02:31 PM
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I'd reasonably expect a conversation about the future / marriage within the first year of dating (probably like 6 months even). My now husband and I definitely brought up the topic more casually like 3-5 months into seeing each other. Hearing that he was serious about us (even in a lighthearted manner) and wanted that future of me and him made me even crazier for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 06:42 PM
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Well it's good to know that your self care is in order, so if you're having problems it's likely your face (impossible to self judge) or build (gym can't fix bad bone structure and body type). Oh well, no one has it all. You sound average.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 06:39 PM
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I wish someone here would just do a PPD version of it and post EVERY response and the success rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 03:44 AM
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OK umm show me a pic of a Chad and I will make a fake Tinder and try it out with that pic.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 03:41 AM
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Unless you're like 5'4 or under it's not your height, it's likely your build or body shape or face. If you're generally average facially or super short (5'4 or less) if you want to stand out you will need impeccable style/grooming and fitness.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 03:40 AM
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As long as he's not too fat yeah...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 03:38 AM
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Who or what is Atomic Blackpill Truth?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/19 08:56 PM
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Most girls friends I know prefer defined muscle over size based on the guys they talk about being sexy or hot. We're not dumb lol we know that big arms can be big blobs of fat. There is a huge sex appeal to the leaner athletic type guy, doubly so if his face is attractive and if he's not like under 5'4. Unattractive face or trashy style/dress and poor grooming and especially hygiene are all automatic disqualifiers.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/19 08:53 PM
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Yeah exactly. 1) cherry picking 2) success rate 3) joke replies / joke bio 4) did not read bio 5) totally fake post Like a million things to question here.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/19 08:36 PM
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You posted as a child abuser, made sure the women knew this (by telling them to be sure), and MOST of them were sending your their contact info PROMISING CASUAL SEX explicitly? Is that correct? Everything else is wishy washy nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/19 08:34 PM
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Yeah exactly, so why don't you go and reproduce it and bring us back an example. Make a post about it explaining your methods first so we know what to expect. We'll have to trust you not to cherry pick bullshit though. Exceptions don't make the rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/19 08:24 PM
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That thing could easily be made in MS paint. Thanks for the laugh though. Judging by what MOST women do in real life (my numerous girl friends) I'll stick with my position thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/19 07:40 PM
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Looks do matter. They are also not really enough on a standalone basis to make up for nasty behavior even for a more casual encounter. Like some of the other women said they are usually a "barrier to entry" type thing and after some point other things matter more. I honestly haven't actually heard women explicitly say (in real life, attractive fit ones) say "looks don't matter."
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/19 07:11 PM
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What? How could it be 1 or 6.5? This seems kinda wishy washy and made up dude. To me (and I think many women) a guy's face can be enough to make him good looking (assuming he isn't fat and also not like 5'2).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/19 08:06 PM
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Hell no I would run away from that dude screaming even if he was some handsome multi millionaire super Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/19 08:05 PM
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Why is everyone here so black and white on everything for cryin out loud? The first date or so can be total fluff and fun or whatever but after that why waste your time on someone who isn't a long term match if you are looking for something long term? It's really NOT hard to mix in some more serious stuff into an otherwise fun date. Unless you are like 17.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/19 05:29 PM
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That sounds like the kind of slippery slope that results in an eventual disaster mentally. I mean if you're doing the "dating over 50" thing maybe but that's like not something worth discussing here where the average age is what.. 25?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/19 05:22 PM
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What is the point of pigeonholing people into these two vaguely defined categories? Why do people obsess here over it so much? Really, why?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/19 02:38 PM
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Yeah, obviously you can't quote and show any of that, because I usually point out that different things happen in different social "bubbles" and that if people want a change they need to make it happen ... which is like the opposite of what you just insinuated. Frankly given all of this talk from some people here about their education, jobs and pay I'd think they would be experiencing things like I am. They are either lying, exaggerating or totally messed up and delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/19 05:38 AM
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You are definitely in the wrong place if you want to learn what most normal women want (yes, they LOVE romance, nothing like this soulless robot talk you're getting here... this place attracts certain "types" I promise you that you want nothing to do with). If you're one of the guys that wants the anime loving nerd this also ain't the place, but that part you know already I imagine.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 10:32 PM
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Most likely. I saw what people were saying (esp women) in the romantic gesture post here and I started to feel like the women here are robots or something. It was so unnatural and I felt something sick in my gut for real. I don't know if I got super lucky with my husband but damn..
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 10:26 PM
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Uhuh sure. Post direct quotes and links. You can't.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 10:25 PM
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I hope so. Or maybe they'll further reinforce harmful behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 07:24 PM
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What I find funniest here is people who know they are straight up messed up use their anecdotes to generalize about others. Staaaahhpppppppppppppp
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 06:32 PM
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This Valentine's day was a good example... I came home to a dozen roses, heart shaped box of Godiva chocolates and super cute note in a Valentine's day card. Later we were having dinner at Ruth's Chris and he asked the server for extra blue cheese dressing for my wedge salad, which I am always shy about asking for but he remembered. He's done stuff like brought small gifts (chocolates and little bits of jewelry, nothing crazy) on our hiking trips and surprised me with them as we rest in a nice s…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 06:31 PM
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What loved one? I told you the context of this isn't relationships for me or most men (Manospherians) around here. Regarding relationships (which of totally off topic here given what I said above): the tit for tat attitude isn't necessary at all when things are going well. That only happens when relationships start to fall apart. There is a natural tempo to tit for tat in healthy relationships that doesn't need a tally.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 06:21 PM
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Now there's nothing wrong with wanting to fuck a bunch of sluts either, as long as both parties know what they are getting into. The shitty behavior happens on both sides when people aren't open and honest. That biological imperative scapegoat is getting old when it becomes an excuse for shitty behavior much of which is found above.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 06:19 PM
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If you don't see how suggesting giving away things of value without reasonable expectation of getting something in return is bad advice that's on you LOL.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/19 08:52 PM
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To whatever extent they may like them BJs still don't come free.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/19 07:37 PM
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If you haven't seen single tall men you are obviously ignoring them somehow in your mind while assuming lots of good things about tall men. They clearly exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/19 07:36 PM
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This is some next level confirmation bias. Oh well, carry on!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/19 06:08 PM
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Being tall and having blue eyes isn't really enough to give someone a thumbs up for being attractive. He could also have poor hairline, mini pot belly and no other good facial traits. Yuck Just saying there's more to it!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/19 05:40 PM
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She only increases her "value" to a guy who is obsessed with blow jobs if her strategy is BJs non stop. Again, bad advice because it's one sided and too simplistic to authenticate the analogy. IF the guy is really obsessed with them and he tells her this, then she can give him BJs assuming she also gets what she wants from him (reciprocation, remember?).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/19 05:25 PM
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I said like 5 times already that it doesn't actually give her what she wants, so it is bad advice. It only gives some guy who wants a lot of BJs what he wants. It is not an example of why that "analogy" is useful or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/19 05:08 PM
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What are you babbling about? This is about "don't ask fish (women) for fishing (dating/attraction) advice." That's bad advice and a bad analogy. And your weird BJ example doesn't explain anything it just tells a girl to become a BJ dispenser literally which doesn't necessarily get her what she wants. I already explained why it's bad advice and you never explained why it's good advice for the person receiving the advice. The only example here I'm covering is the "get into a relationship/sex" side…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/19 04:05 PM
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Most of those women are not SAHMs.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/19 03:49 PM
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You're confusing low ambition, low level upper class women (with husbands making 400K+ per year) with UMC women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/19 03:38 PM
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Are you a teenager or 20 year old? I know grown up men who moved to new cities for work and obviously these people have very few friends, but other than that there is nothing wrong with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/19 03:29 PM
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You height pervs are so funny lol there are LOADS of very physically unattractive tall dudes.. you boys don't understand much of anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/19 03:27 PM
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It's bad advice because it ignores the side that's actually being attracted to them: women. This is an important part of the puzzle of how to be attractive and men shouldn't ignore it. They need to learn to ask the right women the right questions. Nothing I said had anything to do with married people (ever) that was not part of my argument. I know it feels great to be some wannabe macho philosopher that seduces women with all the things he THINKS women want but in reality women are still the one…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/19 03:06 PM
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I can't answer your question and you can't either since we can't read minds don't be ridiculous. If you have some huge obsession with blow jobs that's a YOU thing. Your exaggerated argument is getting really old, it's so exaggerated that you are not arguing in good faith and being completely disingenuous to prove a point that doesn't need complicated, poor analogies of any kind. Regarding your advice: it's just a 180 on all of the other advice they got, not actually good advice. Anyone who can t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/19 02:50 PM
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Yeah I agree with that
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/19 02:45 PM
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Actually it's quite likely I might give him some relief of sorts if things are going well ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/19 02:44 PM
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Most UMC women aren't going to stay at home moms, actually. So thanks for that "story"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/19 02:43 PM
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Me and most of my friends are moderately conservative sexually to average I think and most of us knew out SOs about a month (with very regular meeting) before we had sex with them. That means like 4-6 "dates" although for me personally it was probably like 7-8 "dates" but we were like in college just hanging out and stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 08:13 PM
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Sure, but men want the same thing. Had this debate before and it showed that educated women were more likely to get married. Educated women generally make more than uneducated women. I think most men would prefer not to be a sugar daddy of sorts for some dumb ho.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 07:59 PM
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What is your problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 07:58 PM
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Cool dude who says that's what other men want? You can only speak for yourself. Mature men want mature women I'd think. The rest is pretty clear...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 07:50 PM
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And what is it to you? It's pretty clear that people of different social classes have different problems and some are way more common in some classes than others. This whole hypergamy thing is going to make sense for lower class women who can in theory move up to a middle class or UMC guy. The UMC girl? Yeah she's not holding out for mister upper class, who is most likely 50 years old. Cho might totally be NOT reflecting well at all because he mixes with only ONE group of people like most people…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 07:49 PM
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I don't complain about where I am in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 07:30 PM
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And I bet like 99% of out there theories never produce anything real whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 07:22 PM
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You certainly have a lot of out there theories mister.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 07:14 PM
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OK but men cheat more when they get older?? So that's like male sex hypergamy in a way. I also don't know how accurate and representative your experiences are of all other people. It may well have something to do with your peer group and socioeconomic status.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 07:06 PM
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Maybe that whole introspection process is not nearly that hard for women or people in general? Maybe it is hard for you, so you think it's hard for others? RP philosophy is like whatever each RP guy wants it to be to him. So I have no clue what's in your head honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 06:53 PM
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How can you even possibly think you can know what so many other people believe or think? That's ridiculous. And that hypergamy thing is highly debatable depending on how you define it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 06:51 PM
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Yeah I think you meant it like my feeling towards him but I meant it like his feelings towards me lol but sure both are true
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 06:33 PM
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You're just calling it a "worthless conscious rationalization" yet it may be nothing of the sort. It could be quite valuable and real.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 06:32 PM
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To some degree yeah if I wasn't looking for casual sex and got to know him... that's totally expected. It's not just drunk stupid sex for women you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 06:31 PM
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catching feels from sex and being dumped This isn't how it works for me and I don't think I speak only for myself I would feel bad because I thought he wanted me for more than just what's in between my legs. That's the real hurt.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 06:26 PM
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for why women make men wait for sex. However, making him wait doesn't solve the problem of him losing interest once he gets it and it creates the problem that he might think you are not into him and move on. Also, I think this strategy disqualifies many otherwise desirable men who don't have the patience to wait. It seems to me that the benefits of making men wait don't outweigh the costs. Waiting definitely helps because it will quickly filter out the lower effort guys and there are soo many of…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 06:25 PM
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Depends. The current source is full of other toxic bull which is either going to hurt the men, women or both as a result.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 06:13 PM
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I hate to break it to you but the "red pill club" if that's what you mean by RP truths on the Internet wasn't the first to figure that out. Regular no pill people know that stuff too. More of them in fact than "red pillers."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 06:05 PM
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That I agree with because it sounds like the guy being a doormat or servant.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 05:57 PM
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On that note women want INTERESTING men. You don't be some wild rebel to attract women, in fact most mature women would be put off by too much rebellious whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 05:53 PM
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Uhh .. let's see now.. "attracting" men by giving out constant blow jobs is an exaggeration of how often most men want blow jobs (you don't speak for all men), it also ignores all of the other things men want/need and also ignores the wants/needs of the women. Complete over simplification too. Not like that's not totally obvious or anything. Thanks for sharing your feelings with me about projection, your life and feelings and thoughts about what you think about certain sources of advice. Of cour…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 05:34 PM
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No she hasn't are you serious?? Girls accept first dates with "maybe he's the right guy" all the time they aren't ready to sleep with the guy or date him. The thing he's done is not be repulsive (physically) or totally obnoxious when he asked her out. And it's obvious she can reflect on the time during those dates that he did things that really increased her attraction... I mean I definitely remember the things my husband did that made me think he was the real deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 05:29 PM
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Men want blowjobs. You believe the way for one sex to get the other sex is to give them what they want. You advise men, for example, to listen to women describe their wants and desires and to give them to women in order to get the women. Men want this. So why don’t you give them what they want ? Your example is way too exaggerated to show the analogy is good. It's a dumb one sided exaggeration that shows nothing other than examples of terrible one sided useless advice. Try again. People within r…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 05:05 PM
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I'm actually going off of the interpretation of the posters that I've seen, not my own. And their interpretation is all over the place that's for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 04:56 PM
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There's also a part where you take responsibility and filter out non-actionable or inapplicable/poor/one-sided advice. This doesn't really make this analogy particualrly good because it tells you to avoid asking women because they will mislead you or some such bullshit, which is only true if you buy bullshit advice. You'd have to be quite foolish not to ask SPECIFIC people BOTH genders and FILTER for bad advice. This right here is how you do it. Not following analogies which are both poor as an …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 04:40 PM
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Who's the fish here in your example and what do they want? Try to use something simpler like "men" and "women" there is no need to over complicate this at all. I mostly attacked the fact that your opinion is based on nothing but your personal experiences and feelings. Which doesn't prove much of anything really on your part.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 04:11 PM
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Most of them don't strike me as frat boy types. A big bunch are nerdy (weird niche interests and can't relate to more or less normal people) or just not that smart young men who can't figure out how to attract women (totally goes over their head lol), some bitter old dudes with past or present problems with women.. but they are definitely not a majority of meatheady frat types. That's a small group I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 04:03 PM
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Your blowjob advice all the other 3-4 points were all terrible advice for women unless they are looking to be blowjob dispensers. Ha ha ha ha @ your "this conversation is like deciding if this is blonde or brunette" hair. That's hilarious. I don't care too much about your motives, my guess was that you have some kind of issues with women in your life, or you wouldn't be a RP affiliated man (frankly you should have figured this shit out on your own and not affiliated with some of the saddest and …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 03:41 PM
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What if I enjoy complicating things? It's fine if you don't, let's just not do this together then. You're not helping yourself and something tells me you don't have particularly good success with attracting women. But yeah feel free to ignore me dude I don't mind. That's one in a list of 5, 3 of which are body language. What question she asks is verbal, the act of asking question is still an abstract behavior. Directing attention can be both verbal and non verbal. Non verbal is what makes simila…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 03:36 PM
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Not really dude. Men don't get to decide what women find attractive. Might help to ask them the right questions about that. That's what all of these "manosphere problems" really amount yo: being attractive to women. Ever thought about that? Women have a say in who they sleep with or date - in fact it's 50% them. You can get something useful out of most women if you ask them the right questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 03:33 PM
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So you didn't ask the right ones the right questions. Yes, that's a problem. Assuming all girls would give bad advice is as dumb as assuming most men are rapists because most rapists are men more or less.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 03:22 PM
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Yes. You can see perfectly well how bad my advice is, because you’re a fisherwoman. You would advise other women (who perhaps don’t have this judgement yet) to not listen to the men/fish. You’d be right. It’s the same for the men. And this is what RP has been sayin to both men and women all along. It’s what you took exception to yesterday, telling me that men had to listen to their fish. Both parties here know the advice is bad, unless one of them is too dumb too know any better (mentioned this …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 03:20 PM
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I think you under appreciate how involved women are in the courting process quite a bit, by the way. Men are really only more actively "pursuing" till the girl accepts the first date and really that could be as little as asking her out after meeting her. From there it's pretty active for both people.. certainly was for me and I know my friends make an effort to impress the guys they are dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 03:17 PM
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This is so obvious I didn't bother to talk about it explicitly, this is what I call "flirting in feminine indirect ways". Typically this is what I was able to see women do to other men. I was more specific for less obvious things, like how women make themselves visible and noticeable when there's no interaction and no approach. Dude get over yourself there is no need to over complicate this. On the contrary, 90% of this is non verbal, and your list seem to confirm that belief. You must have miss…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 03:15 PM
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Ah, there it is. You didn't (and perhaps don't) actually understand women. Hence it's hard for you to imagine a girl could help you attract girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 03:13 PM
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Luckily, people can tell you about themselves, if you get over yourself and talk to them as people rather than expecting them to be either Paragons Of Explaining All Women or lying pieces of shit. Lol wine would be on me for this line. The guys would do well to accept some responsibility for their past failures and figuring out how to ask the right women the right questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 03:12 AM
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You're obviously saying that women don't give as good advice as men on attracting women (and perhaps even saying men should avoid women's advice here altogether?). And I'm saying that's just you saying "trust me this is how it is" and little more. Using analogies to explain analogies doesn't help. Oh and are you really telling me I couldn't ever be right assuming "bad things" about other users? Especially a very special particular group of users?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 02:49 AM
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Yeah but why/how did you find RP in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 02:43 AM
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Yeah that's all very interesting but still doesn't make the opinion of women worth totally disregarding that's for sure (or even substantially worse) in a practical way.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 02:43 AM
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Heh ... can you elaborate? :P
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 02:41 AM
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They can. They're just not as good at it as the offense is. And vice versa. Stop changing the point. It's strictly equal, there is no bias "for the offense" or "against the defense". They're both being treated equally. You are explicitly saying one is better at certain advice than the other and your reasoning is "trust me." Again and again. Yes they are. The sexual strategy game is not a zero-sum game (every win has to come with an equal loss for the other team). It's a positive sum game (there …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 10:31 PM
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Why can't you say the same of men? Most probably just luck their way into a relationship or drunken ONS (how's that alcohol workin for that superior memory and judgment of what works? :) ). I'm a married girl by the way..
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 10:28 PM
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Why are you a red piller?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 10:19 PM
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No, I imply they are strictly equal. That the offense is just as good at advising about offense ... as the defense are at advising about defense. And the offense is just as bad at advising about defense... as the defense are at advising about offense. The defense can tell you all about what they think makes a good or bad offense (what works and what doesn't) too how is that not obvious?? This is a poor analogy again because it's more us vs. them mentality (win-lose). Relationships and attraction…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 10:18 PM
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Interesting theory. How much of an impact it has is the question and we can't really get an answer unfortunately. I also don't think that pursued person is oblivious to the things which really spark a positive reaction in them, certainly not completely.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 10:10 PM
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They can. They will happily tell you all the ways to catch fish that they fish like. They won't tell you the best ways to ctach fish, if they include things fish don't like. Fish tell you all about nice, cozy, comfortable fish farms. Only the fisherpeople tell you about "hooks", "nets", "lures" and "rods". More "just trust me on this" lines. Why would you go to a source that gives you both good and bad advice when you are so unskilled at this that you are seeking advice? Why would you not go to …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 10:00 PM
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Where did you get "shitty manipulative misogynist" from "distrusful" dude? Want to see team man vs woman bullshit? You just pulled it on me. Why are you a red piller?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 09:57 PM
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The "cognizant fish" in the case can also distinguish what works to attract it and what does not. And they can even talk about it! So we're back to my point: pick your sources and ask the right questions. Ignore obviously bad advice (one sided, inapplicable, whatever else). Do not choose sources based purely on their gender. All this talk is one gender being superior at one kind of advice is poorly backed opinions - no doubt loaded with tons of bias (who buys into that analogy... red pillers... …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 09:44 PM
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Someone gets it.. I mean seriously, not only is it a bad analogy the point it explains isn't even necessarily true... LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 09:35 PM
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Advice can become a crutch, a bad habit which you use to avoid perceiving, thinking and deciding things for yourself. Great point.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 09:33 PM
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I think it had impacted it in a negative direction. Your distrust of women will hurt you in the long run. You'll never be comfortable and happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 09:32 PM
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Obvious to the woman getting the bad advice DUH. No you don't. First, because they often know exactly why it works. Hahaha no. And second because you can ask many successful fishermen and take the common wisdom accross all of them. Or you can ask all the fish too and then take their "common wisdom" as well. Now there's a good way to do it! Thanks for sharing your feelings. PS. If you think giving fish what they want is the best way to catch fish.... then there are lots of things you have yet to …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 09:31 PM
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That's an interesting theory. I guess it depends on if it's actually possible for the pursuer to figure out which parts work and which do not (for most discussion on here which relates to PARTS of the attraction "process" or whatever). At the same time maybe the the pursued can figure out the most crucial parts of some elements of attraction which can translate to good advice. Even if true, that doesn't mean that the perspective of women needs to be discarded. My official position is both gender…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 09:27 PM
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Oh my god I want to kiss you :-*
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 09:23 PM
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And here I thought I couldn't cringe any more about this. I'd like to know the marital status / sexual experience of the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 09:20 PM
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I just told you, one sided advice (which ignored the woman's desires) is obviously bad advice. It does not get her the relationship she wants. It only keeps the lecherous dude happy. Thats where this whole thing started. The judgement of the fisherperson is better than the judgement of the fish. The fish only tell you what is good for fish, and only the fisherperson is able to say whats "actually" good for catching fish because they are the only people capable of applying "judgement" concerning …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 09:13 PM
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Like I said women (and men) can still discuss the things they find attractive which they ARE cognizant of, to stay on topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 09:09 PM
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I have no pill affiliation here dude I want no part of this male vs female stuff. Of course I have no idea what you've been through, but it has definitely affected your judgment. The fact that you're RP is suggestive of this, there's no reason to be ashamed.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 09:08 PM
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Your link to my comment didn't actually show me taking a position against men asking men for advice, it did not state my position on that at all. Go ahead and try to quote me there. Your advice is blatantly bad because it's one sided.. we already went over this before I stated how to pick sources (as opposed to ignore bad advice) . Blatantly bad advice is ignored, regardless of "years" in LTR. To summarize, I said: How to find good sources of advice and avoid bad advice: Start with if they have …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 08:59 PM
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OK good luck with your world is ending coercive whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 08:55 PM
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It means "signed by a red piller" so your position is a reflection of strong personal bias based on negative past experiences with women. Those negative experiences have clouded your judgment regarding men and women. In other words, guess who almost certainly buys into this "don't ask the fish" analogy stuff? Red pillers. They don't realize that they have no real evidence against women giving bad advice except a handful of bad past experiences. In reality many men give shitty advice too. Who is …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 08:52 PM
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Or why not ask women what they find attractive? They are going to be able to talk at least in part about this. Again, it's not some nebulous psychobiological something something. Good luck convincing anyone except other RP men that women automatically lose that fight.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 08:41 PM
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I have found that by enormous margins that men have given me better advice than women. Red Piller
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 08:40 PM
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The more you talk about fish the more convoluted you make this for no reason at whatsoever to all except yourself. I agree. I think men and women are about equally good at giving dating advice. Men giving it to men are about equally good as women who give it to women. Women giving it to men, are about equally bad as men giving it to women. This is just more hypothetical fluff talk. We really can't know the "truth". Your position is that both men and women should listen to the fish. I have never …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 08:39 PM
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Great question. They'll have to judge the sources. If that doesn't help, maybe ignore the 2 pieces of advice altogether. They will still have other pieces of advice that may be congruent that they can use.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 08:34 PM
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I understand it and I think it's pretty inaccurate. I think the only people that buy it have blatant anti female bias due to poor past experiences with women. And not surprisingly.. who buys it around here? RP men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 08:33 PM
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OK but both men and women should advise against manipulative or coercive behavior...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 08:30 PM
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It doesn't matter if they know what advice is good or bad, they just need not avoid one entire gender when seeking advice because no gender has been shown to actually give better advice, except of course red pilled men who all think women give bad advice and that Hollywood movies are evil. Who does any of that surprise lol??
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 08:29 PM
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OK dude I get it. You have a thing against women. That's your whole argument. Just "in your opinion based on how you feel" type deal. Thanks for the response.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 08:27 PM
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You need to use your best judgment to choose which men and women to take advice from (step 1), while discarding obviously bad advice (one sided, inapplicable to you, step 2). There is no evidence beyond "personal experience" that any gender is better or worse at dating advice. Both genders have good and bad sources. Still confused?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 08:27 PM
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Because when people give advice they tend to utilize their own perspective. If you ask a woman for advice, chances are she's going to tell you what SHE would want a guy to do if she were in whichever woman's shoes. She has no experience being a man so she can't do the inverse. Unless you are asking a fool (a mistake already, on your part) they are going to consider the perspective of BOTH parties for a question like that. People don't like feeling manipulated or coerced into doing something. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 08:20 PM
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I get it, you enjoy experience based drama. You do you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 08:09 PM
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How is the woman not getting what she wants/needs ? She wants a man, yes ? This will get her a man by giving him what he needs. I don't know what your fictional woman wants or needs dude. If the woman wants a serious relationships basing it on easy sex is a bad way to go. The dude giving that advice obviously just thinks about easy sex. Bad source/teacher. That does not automatically mean other guys are like that, or if they are that they can't give advice that will actually be good. I mean my g…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 08:07 PM
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It's bad advice because one side isn't getting what it wants/needs. I just explained this to you. If you are out in the dating world you need to consider the wants/needs of yourself AND the other person.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 08:02 PM
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Neither of your questions has anything to do with the fact that some people are good teachers, others are not. It has nothing to do with genders of the teachers. Stick to the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 08:00 PM
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That's blatantly one sided (therefore bad) advice which most people should be able to disregard if they know what's good for them and their potential partner. Intentional or not, either the source is tainted or maybe it was just bad advice. It does not imply other sources of the same gender are problematic. It's one bad source or one bad piece of advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 07:59 PM
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That has nothing to do with our topic as far as I can tell.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 07:55 PM
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Yes, but the best advice for ANYTHING is going to come from someone who 1. Has no reason to mislead you for personal gain and most importantly 2. Has done that EXACT THING successfully numerous times. Some women may know what they like, but they aren't ALWAYS looking to be picked up, just as how a customer isn't ALWAYS looking to leave the lot with a brand new Camry There is no reason to assume that the woman you are asking for advice would assume you are going to pick HER up. What kind of conve…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 07:46 PM
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None of which is the point here you know? The point is, some people suck at teaching (even if they are good at what they "do"). Some people suck at learning and picking teachers for their needs. How's that? There is no evidence beyond what seem to be heavily biased personal experiences that one gender gives better advice or worse advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 07:44 PM
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This is true. If she's similar to women you want to date, then she might be a good source. Otherwise... bad idea. Want to have casual sex? Ask girls who are into it how to get it from other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 07:40 PM
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I don't know but some people who learn in art school won't be very good at art and won't necessarily be good at teaching art. And if they get good at art, it doesn't mean they know why they are good or how to teach either.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 07:39 PM
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What about the manufacturer who wants to develop cars? Maybe they need to go to the customer? These analogies are not helpful at all, they just cause confusion. At the end of the day, it's better to just think about people and whether their advice is good or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 07:25 PM
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Sorry but that's just more unsubstantiated claims my dude. People know to some extent what they find attractive. This part they can discuss, assuming they are good at expressing themselves. Also: a successful fisherman can be bad at expressing himself. Again, this isn't all some mysterious biological psychological something something.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 07:23 PM
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OK feel free to compare and contrast sales training with the above analogy since I may not know what your "sales training" thing is.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 07:19 PM
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Get as physically hot as possible (fitness, hygiene and grooming). Get a good hair stylist, mouth wash, the whole 9 yards. Get well closer fitting clothing if you are fit. Be assertive without being overly aggressive plus have a sense of humor (no clue how to teach this sorry). Basically being attractively masculine. Make them feel comfortable around you by talking about yourself (family, friends, hobbies, etc) so she feels like she knows the "real" you more and won't mind being intimate with yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 07:18 PM
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If you have a strong preference for tall guys that's cool but she pretends like that's what all girls are like and then denigrates shorter dudes for nothing but shortness. She's disgusting, but what goes around comes around in her case. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 07:07 PM
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Good thing I pointed out for the lurkers that unnecessary verbose essays don't make you right. You let me know when you drop your blatant (expected) bias against women and the advice they give and open your mind a bit to nuance.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 07:04 PM
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but on average it's better to listen to the fisherman than it is the fish. See this is the part that is based on nothing but feelings and personal experience. What else do you expect from men who feel women misled them LOL? Oh lord and those MOVIES!!! about princes and princesses! Their opinion is loaded with bias against women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 06:59 PM
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I work in what is essentially marketing research in biotech and sales is closely related. It sounds like that other poster is talking about snake oil bullshit lol. "Become a top salesman by following my 10 step program" lololol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 06:57 PM
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Ok if you say so thanks for your "critique"
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 06:50 PM
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Then you clearly haven't been to business school. There are definitely people doing research into sales (big data, psychology, etc etc). This is off topic sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 06:49 PM
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I would have thought low IQ people let poor generalizations and analogies slide because they aren't capable of figuring out why they are poor...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 06:38 PM
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Sure but that has nothing to do with this as no one is being trained to give dating or attraction advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 06:37 PM
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You keep writing unnecessarily verbose essays to cover up that your opinion is based on bias and feelings and not anything else. Some people suck as giving advice, others don't. Gender/direction of advice is of little relevance until proven otherwise without feelings and personal experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 06:36 PM
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That still doesn't mean they know what works for them piece by piece (they are just successful in general, so to get their success you'd have to copy ALL of their actions) and it doesn't mean they are good at expressing themselves (giving advice).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 06:33 PM
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Consider the specific advice as well as the source. A person who is very successful with the opposite gender may not be able to explain how to "do what they do" or even know why what works.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 06:26 PM
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I'm saying the so called analogy is wrong. If you want to call that like a specific generalization, then sure, I'm calling it wrong. Based on feelings about personal experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 06:23 PM
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Of course someone posted a huge data article about height vs. sexual partners. It was like 5'4 and below men who had like ONE? partner less on average. It didn't surprise me but some people here have strange obsessions. I don't have the link right now sorry maybe you can Google it. Actually I think she might be a "heightcel" in disguise. Typical obsessed dude with a "clubs and tinder" are life attitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 06:12 PM
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Yes. The odds of any women who is college educated getting married in her lifetime are higher. Does that make sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 06:10 PM
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Yeah my friend did the brown (don't know her original #) to something in the 9-11 range. I'm a 7 or so.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 06:10 PM
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No, that's not true at all. Women with college degrees have HALF the divorce rate of the general population. They get married more and are even more likely to stay married! At least based on US census data.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 05:53 PM
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Basically you're claiming your anecdotal evidence of fish being bad advice givers is somehow universal in a huge essay. You've already written me 3 essays that said the same thing...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 05:52 PM
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I just don't want my hair to turn into crumply straw from all of the usual harsh stuff they use to bleach it. That's like my worst nightmare (have a blonde friend whos hair is like that and it's really gross tbh)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 05:48 PM
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I just don't want my hair to turn into crumply straw from all of the usual harsh stuff they use to bleach it. That's like my worst nightmare.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 05:48 PM
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Yeah I agree what a silly fetishized argument from that poster. I suppose a short guy can't be perfect looks like to most women (well no guy is anyway) but a short guy with lots of other attractive physical traits (many are hard to judge on behalf of someone else) can be one of the most attractive physically people in the room. My friends in the range of 5'1 - 5'7 all date guys ranging from like 5'5 to 6 something. No obvious obsession with height.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 05:45 PM
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I just started doing that (done it twice now) and I love it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 05:36 PM
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You're not wrong your list is just really incomplete. Girls show interest in you for something romantic or flirt by doing stuff like: giggling at anything silly or slightly funny, slapping/touching you gently, asking personal questions (if they just met you), focusing their attention mostly on you (if in a group setting), asking you to hang out later OR what your plans are for later/weekend. More subtle things can include being a little flustered, but that's harder to judge. This is how my singl…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 05:33 PM
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The fisherpeople, right ? Or at least the ones with the most/best fish on their docks. They know perfectly well what works and what doesn’t, don’t they ? You can see the fish on their dock that prove it. No dude that's wrong. The fish know, too. They are getting caught, so they are part of this process. You ask all of the fish on the dock what caught them. What is so hard to grasp here? Clearly someone knows perfectly well “what works” and “what doesn’t” here. It’s just that those are the succes…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 05:23 PM
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You forgot to say something about your height obsession and how you think all women are like that. Sheesh!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 05:07 PM
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How is it bad advice ? I as a fish would genuinely love women to do those things. Therfore it must be good advice, right ? See. This is the problem with asking fish.e definitely want sex on the first date and loads of blowjobs. I can tell you that as solid facts. Going to start doing that ? Or can you see a drawback there as a fisherwoman that I can’t see as a fish ? Wrong. I just told you that you need to be able to see the perspective of the other side before you have any business giving advic…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 05:05 PM
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Apparently an average height guy is short now (I just looked it up 5'9 to 5'10 is average). Yeah, you're sick and you don't even realize it LOL. Successful marriage is about a lot of things, most of which you'll never have. But you can always be a semen receptacle for tall men and tell yourself you're wanted for something very special! Meanwhile I'll get back to planning my next few vacations around the world over the next few years before I go off the pill and it's cute little baby time!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 05:03 PM
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I like how you're still obsessing over nothing but height LOL. What is wrong with you? Well nevermind, we know. He's 5'9 and a hunk who puts most men, short or tall, to shame in every way possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 04:57 PM
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You are a club life bimbo. Your post history is nothing but clubs and bars and ho crap. Rock bottom RMV. A literal embarrassment for most women. What else is new?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 04:54 PM
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Yeah you don't sound immature or anything. Grow up.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 04:51 PM
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Why do you keep using obviously bad examples of advice as regular advice? It's getting old. Giving fish what they want is a good way to catch them to some extent. It's part of the process, but not the whole process.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 04:50 PM
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Read her post history dude. She's some trashy club ho with air in her head. It's very entertaining stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 04:47 PM
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Visceral attraction is just some crap you made up about how you think other womens' attraction works. I think you can find actual science that will show women aren't that visual anyway, first of all, and secondly, they are more likely to get wet for a guy with a V shaped body more than anything because that is the most highly dimorphic trait. I sure as hell love my V shaped athletic boys, whether they are 5'5 5'9 or 6'1 is not that important. And most women I know are like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 04:47 PM
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LIke 10 minutes later you can find all of this: OK let's go down the list, and see what dozens or even hundreds of women said: https://uiowa.edu/crisp/sites/uiowa.edu.crisp/files/13.11.pdf Height is like #5 http://www.menshealth.com/sex-women/top-20-traits-she-wants Height was #3 behind Face and Sense of Style https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-attraction-doctor/201111/being-beautiful-or-handsome-is-easier-you-think Height didn't make the list for "masculine" traits and Self Care won ag…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 04:41 PM
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Dude ignore her, she's mentally handicapped. Look at her post history. Most girls aren't height obsessed like her even in the slightest.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 04:29 PM
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i don't know why whenever someone posts their scale people feel the need to come in and say "but people are still attracted to me!" as if anyone claims less attractive people don't fuck You're implying your scale assumes you speak for other people LOL except you're a total height fetishist. Nothing about your scale speaks for anyone except you and other height obsessed women. I'm 5'5 but would date guys my height or even an inch shorter, I'm really more interested in a handsome face and nice bui…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 04:28 PM
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Good looking enough to date? Good hygiene? (Of course these things have a bunch of stuff that goes into determining them). His foot is almost in the door.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 04:22 PM
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He has to approach or be interacting with her, then she flirts in her passive indirect feminine way. She might go out of her ways to provoke said initial interaction without ever be direct about it. Or makes herself visible to him and try to grab attention by some subtle "sexy" body language like doing her hair slowly. I recall now a girl trying to get my attention or the audience attention with mild insults. But 15 year old me picked that wrong. But could have been anything. This is your extent…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 04:20 PM
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But even the most perceptive fish aren’t going to say to put a big mean old hook in fishes mouths. There are no big mean old hooks in our topic.. I have no clue how that translates to the actual topic at hand. Well I’m not claiming scientific support for this idea, no. It’s just a very common lived experience of both males and females that their sex gives better advice for dealing with the opposite sex. That’s why girls talk to their moms, and sons talk to their dads, about sexual relations. I s…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 04:18 PM
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Why are you assuming you're going to use her advice to get the very same girl?! That was not implied at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 04:11 PM
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Dude you just seem to have no clue what flirting is and how women actually do it, yet seem to think you know when other men are being flirted with. In my eyes you're making a total fool of yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 04:10 PM
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So if a guy had girls interested in him since grade school he's top 10% looks? Even if he's like 5'5?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 05:00 AM
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I was not responding to anything except a very specific part of your comment. For the 3rd? 4th? time this still isn't getting through, is it? Oh well, goodbye.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 04:50 AM
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There are hot girls at Brown and they are ditsy and mostly sheltered by vastly privileged upbringings This must be me and my friends from BC too!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 04:49 AM
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Yeah you still don't get that both genders can give both good AND bad advice, do you? That also means men advising men on getting women or women advising women getting men. There's no impartial evidence that one gender is better at this advice than the other it's all just some rationalized BS, and mostly very predictably by all of the team male vs. team female people in this place. Even the dumber people should be able to figure out which stupid advice to avoid (you gave examples of one sided ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 12:41 AM
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Some people can't be helped.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 12:33 AM
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Where is the over analysis exactly? The false part of your comment has plenty of relevance to the Manosphere which is FULL of young people. What I said has nothing to do with adults caring about teenagers. You seriously don't get the point do you LOL? Or are you trying to argue for the sake of arguing?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 12:32 AM
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You both grow. You meet that person who is about on your "level" and then you both grow. If one person becomes complacent that's where a lot of death spirals for relationships begin. I saw it happen to several of my closest friends with their LTRs.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 07:33 PM
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Uh yeah OK why is the acceptance rate like 1/3 then? Super competitive schools in New England are also full of beautiful girls so that beauty = likely to be dumb is total bullshit. The dumb girls are just more into over the top glitz and glam and dress like trashy hos because they don't know any better.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 07:28 PM
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You can play sports, be social, and still suck with women. Naturals are either tall or average (can’t be short) and have above average facial aesthetics. Can afford stuff like braces or has good teeth. Good hairline, etc. Sexuality data shows that short men (down to 5'5) have as many sexual partners as 6' tall men. So that's BS. My brother is 5'7 or so and he's always had no issues with girls back to middle school (that talk of developing girl skills naturally). He also never played varsity spor…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 07:25 PM
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Definitely agree with that. A combination of success in academics, extra-curriculars, sports or some combination of those is likely good sources to spark that positive feedback loop. My husband told me a girl would invite him over in 5th grade or so to hang out at her house. They would watch movies and play together lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 07:18 PM
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So what is the most important stuff? It's like you want to gloss over everything both genders actually say they want (and in fact do want) and play some ego stroking game where you "figure it all out bymuhself" and then pat yourself on the back till your hand goes numb. It's like there isn't ANY overlap with advice that women give (what they say they want) and what men will say got them attention from girls. There's some "best advice" right there for ya. The fact that people here gloss over that…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 07:09 PM
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Eh? I don't know if there is any place we can find the "common" RISD story but the handful of girls I know who went there all got corporate jobs (some related to the arts, yes, like design) to pay the bills while pursuing the artsy stuff like a hobby / weekend job / activity.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 07:07 PM
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OK fair enough, I was basically suggesting that places like "Bay Area, NYC/LA or Boston" set the benchmark and many people move there to see what people or life is like.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 06:38 PM
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Hardly anyone there is 100K in debt that's, your extreme/hyperbolic/exception arguments are getting really boring. Your typical debt load of 20-40K and jobs paying 30-40K out of school will cover that payment just fine (that's like $400/mo minimum) or so.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 06:38 PM
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Because female arousal is irrational. How irrational am I when I tell you that guys with bad skin repulse me? My advice is (for example): fix your skin problems, or I'm not going to touch you. Sounds pretty rational to me...?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 06:34 PM
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Probably the best response here I've seen so far, but it's pretty extreme to assume that women don't understand their attraction at all (like OK I don't know why some dude's face is handsome but I know I like clear skin and nice hair... so there's some bits of actionable advice there). If they give a list of things they find attractive, getting some of those attractive things should be actionable advice for the guy (behavior, physical traits, etc)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 06:32 PM
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OMG thank you lol I mean I thought this was SOOO dumb before but now I'm literally shaking my head in disbelief at the explanation which make it make even LESS sense. The Reds here are doubling down on dumb so hard. I love this post.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 06:31 PM
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Maybe this analogy is even dumber than I thought, then? Fish may not know what attracts them, but women do know at least in part what they want or need from men. They may not know WHY they find a man's face attractive (like the ratios or soemthing or bone structure), but they will tell you that a handsome face is important which "includes clean skin and nicely done hair." Can you see the actionable advice here? Ditto goes for things like personality traits that women find attractive. Not all of …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 06:30 PM
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You took that analogy to an absurd level of stupidity that basically fits men who supposedly got "duped by movies" LOL. Are you kidding me, dude? I guess that means that DUMB men (which I think is most around here now) should avoid taking advice from girls as they can't interpret it to save their life and they don't know how to balance out give and take. When a girl gives you a list of "wants" (no analogies necessary about fish giving ridiculous demands) you can give her whatever you think she i…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 06:26 PM
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But EVERYONE is NOT "cringy". Part of your comment is false. Hence some people actually do well romantically in high school and in college shortly after, and some do not. This is actually pretty important given how many young people there are here with their "dating" problems. The other part of your comment about how "the new and improved you is all that matters unless something something terrible in your past" is perfectly fine, however.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 06:20 PM
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And Plenty of RISD girls go on to be strippers and waitresses. Yeah bullshit on the strippers bit (a handful of exceptions means nothing if it was true) and waitresses part time to pay some bills? Not unheard of (and again, full time waitresses would be exceptions again, not the rule).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 06:03 PM
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Well that's because the women who are sleeping around at that age are SUPER nasty hos.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 06:01 PM
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Part of your comment was a really stupid way to look at things, and I pointed that out with a direct quote. "Everyone sucks in high school." Adding that to your comment did not help your case, it seemed like a pointless quip. Are you lost?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 06:01 PM
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Spy? I need 2 seconds to know if i am attracted to someone. no pick up lines thanks. Yeah but you need to approach so that requires a good distance and strutting/walking over, right? He has to approach or be interacting with her, then she flirts in her passive indirect feminine way. She might go out of her ways to provoke said initial interaction without ever be direct about it. Or makes herself visible to him and try to grab attention by some subtle "sexy" body language like doing her hair slow…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 05:44 PM
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What does that have to do with any of my comments that responded to your specific comment about "everyone sucking in high school"?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 05:42 PM
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If RISD girls are dumb then the average waitress or stripper is straight up mentally retarded LOL. In fact, that makes the average college graduate (there's like THOUSANDS of colleges in the USA) a complete idiot and people with a GES are beyond complete idiots. Yeah I think not. You're either delusional or can't stick your head outside of your bubble.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 05:41 PM
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As opposed to what lol become some lifelong super player?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 05:38 PM
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Well I guess they think that if they try they can look like this guy? https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2014-11/14/18/enhanced/webdr05/longform-original-26007-1416008446-19.jpg?downsize=700:*&output-format=auto&output-quality=auto
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 05:23 PM
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The casual sex world (SMP?) favors women because more men will fuck just about anything and not a lot of women will give it up. This is where fatties can get with stud athletes or what not. Relationships it's pretty even since all parties need to have at least decent marks on all accounts (like personality, looks and intelligence) while not having any huge flaws in those and many men and women want to be in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 04:48 PM
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Provided a man is of average or slightly below average intelligence and appearance he can improve his SMV/RMV drastically through exercise, career progression and holding frame, he can even sustain it till middle age. What is this "holding frame" business and what is it supposed to improve?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 04:45 PM
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Most men will mean an actual explicit approach. So you mean you spy a girl from 30 yards away at least and then strut over to drop your pickup line? But when I say women don't hit on me, I could also include all sorts of female IOIs I've never received but could observe being thrown at attractive men. Is that what you wanted to know? Yeah I want to know how you THINK women hit on men who are "men that women want" .. in detail.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 04:42 PM
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Comparing yourself to adults at that point isn't really showing much of anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 04:40 PM
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How does that relate to either of my 2 comments above?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 04:39 PM
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Everyone sucks in high school. People who succeeded academically (inc. extra curriculars), in sports or a combination of both really didn't "suck" at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 06:01 AM
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I think it's the opposite side that's important to consider. Rural appalachia people moving to a prime place like Bay Area, NYC/LA or Boston.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 05:01 AM
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Yes, that's why I asked.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 05:00 AM
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I think it's fair to compare people in a country like America nationwide though, given the relative ease of moving around.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 12:21 AM
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Alright so I got Candy and Amy backwards. I meant to say that CANDY + brain is actually a real thing, I thought you were denying it. Nevermind lol
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 12:13 AM
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Yeah and I pointed out that tons of the better higher education places are full of girls like that. Girls who are smart and fit like that and have a what I'm assuming is what guys consider a nice face like that are pretty common at universities around New England. I'm sure the same is true for other competitive schools around the country. I've heard guys say quite a few nice words about the girls at RISD just the other day.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 12:06 AM
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Smart AND looks There's a concentration of girls like that at certain higher education places in the US you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 11:57 PM
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LOL yup that part about "bitching and annoying" was not in the OP and he totally put that in there and then tried to pull one on you. So lame LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 09:41 PM
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My mother in law is into this stuff lol..
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 09:30 PM
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It's not that simple since women with college degrees will naturally tend to be smarter than average women (better critical thinkers, better memory of various things), yet they also marry with greater frequency than no college degree women. So either they are not "masculinized" like you claim or men do not mind that, or there is something else going on entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 09:23 PM
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How do you expect bottom barrel men (in most ways) to react to her LOL? They are used to arguing by beating their chest and claiming "they just see it or think it and therefore it must be."
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 08:17 PM
11

How about dumb men who think they are experts on things? The worst too for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 07:14 PM
1

What do you think "hitting on" entails when a girl does it to a guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 05:35 PM
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Definitely a minority. Most people kind of just know their place too and don't shoot out of their league.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 05:34 PM
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Yeah no way could I possibly try to see the other side of things with my feeble female brain and all.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 04:28 PM
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Why do you think married men are not the best source? My husband will tell me the occasional story of someone being pretty upfront sexually with him when he's out with friends or grabbing a drink alone when I'm out with the girlies. He's obviously got something that attracts women... why not capitalize on it?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 04:22 PM
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Every other person here seems to be into substance use other than alcohol (or was in the past to a large degree, aka not "tried pot once" but actually it a lot or something else), which is another huge red flag for "not so normal" people.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 04:04 PM
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The brainwashing/TV part is bullshit yeah. The part about some people shooting out of their league / being bitter about not being in the league of the highest "RMV" people is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 03:58 PM
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It's not just you it's a ton of other people here. Yeah we know that there's some objective or truthful part to good looks but there is also a decent amount of variation and disagreement due to personal preferences and subjectivity which are also "biology" and not rational choice. Yet some people here think they are "experts on behalf of others" which is just sooo stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 03:51 PM
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construction worker + stopping to talk to her and flirt with 300 pound queen bee. Yup. Makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 03:34 PM
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Have you ever thought that your numbers (appraisals of consensus attractiveness on behalf of other people) might just be total bullshit and giving you a totally false sense of objectivity in your "analysis" ?? Totally disconnected (spergy?) non-real way to look at how people view/feel physical attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 03:33 PM
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If some men got brainwashed by movies it doesn't surprise me that they can't figure out anything at all about women when it comes to being attractive..
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 03:32 PM
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Lots of the dolts on here think that their fetishist attraction to certian types of women is normal and that they know what kind of men women prefer collectively... The best part is if they post pics of those men and women :D
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 03:26 PM
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In my experience it's the opposite. It's a minority of people (women especially) that think this prevents them from career, travel and fun. There's actually more men that think this, but I do not believe they are majority either. I'd say your experience is abnormal in the sense that most people still meet their partners in their early to mid 20s, and many have kids (and marry) in their late 20s to early 30s. If most people pair off in their early to mid 20s, then most people are not restricted b…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 03:17 PM
1

So it is guaranteed for Prince Charmings and Nice Princesses?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 03:07 PM
1

So basically only Prince Charmings and Nice Princesses win?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 02:47 PM
1

People here are really bad at finding real world info. Sigh. Just see the above convo...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 02:35 PM
1

Yeah 5'3 and esp. Asian is the issue (more so the Asian, actually). Stick to Asian girls. Problem solved. Are you US born/raised? Are you Chinese (lighter) or Southeast Asian?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 02:34 PM
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You're either weird or not hot enough for the girls you hit on. Fix one or the other in the necessary ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 06:57 AM
1

A handful of asocial weirdos aren't going to skew down anything because they are a "handful" that makes no sense at all. I'm also pretty sure it's both less partners AND less sex (but I'm not 100% on the last bit). I don't really brag about who I am, I just point it out for context. Tell me about this supposed insecurity or something? How does that make any sense at all? Am I supposed to want to be some Hooters waitress because that's a great life or what? :) What are those high value social net…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 06:53 AM
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Not if you're generally presentable they won't. Obviously if you're super unattractive physically you are in trouble, but in that case you stick to women who are also not exactly beauty queens... ya know?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 06:50 AM
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You understand it better than that other person does LOL. As I told someone else here, if you're going to go somewhere to meet women, be sure you really want to be there. It helps put you in a better mood and makes you more confident and comfortable.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/19 09:43 PM
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The issue is 6 might not be "just above" average it might be quite a bit above depending on the normal range of sizes. You really should know this if you didn't drop out of high school or something. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/bju.13010 A few minutes of searching and we find this document. There is a chart there that actually shows that men who are 6" are longer than 90% of all men!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/19 06:59 PM
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Yeah I agree the success odds are higher when you know she's into you. I meant proactive when you don't really know her at all or if she's into you. The odds are lower, but you'll still get more "successes" overall even if the odds are lower if you include the proactive part on top of the reactive/passive part.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/19 06:39 PM
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I think you need a mix of proactive and passive. It will just increase your odds as a guy of meeting someone sooner. The proactive part is important to get the shy girls to talk to you! She might think you are super handsome and get a good vibe from you but chicken out from talking to you! Can't hurt to try if you get a good feeling about her...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/19 06:29 PM
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You need to get out of this cringeworthy lingo bullshit they use around here like "approach" and think about this stuff like a normal human. And don't tell me it's just "forum jargon." Anyway, there are various options to meet women where they are OPEN TO BEING TALKED TO: classes (like baking or cooking) community activities (sports or charitable) food/wine tastings fairs/carnivals/similar entertainment These are examples of places/events women are open to a conversation. The important thing is …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/19 06:12 PM
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that's just how things work in modern hookup culture where the sexual component of relationships comes before the emotional/romantic parts are fully established Based on what we see in sexuality data for Millenials that "hookup culture" is some rather small isolated sub culture of society. Most young people are having less and less sex, so for the vast majority of people (esp young people) you got it all backwards. If anything, the romance/getting to know each other is happening more extensively…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/19 05:55 PM
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How do you know 6 is just above? What's the source of that?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/19 05:38 PM
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Or he just has fairly low standards LOL which is one trait all men who slept around had that I know of.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/19 05:33 PM
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Comfort comes after attraction because comfort before she's attracted to you is either 1) boring, or 2) creepy. Not really. Comfort comes from vibe and mannerisms, too. In a conversation mixing in personal bits or whatever creates comfort really isn't all that hard if you're actually a good conversationalist and charming man. And yeah I can't rule out the 10-20% of women who sleep around, if you're good at finding them and are satisfied with them, then great (just don't bitch about how much you …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 06:15 PM
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And how would you know if you're "fucking HB5 or 6" if all of these numbers can be conveniently made up to stroke your ego LOL?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 05:25 PM
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Why does comfort come after attraction? That makes no sense at all. If you are talking to her it can be done at the pretty much the same time (and it should be). And that other woman will have no clue that you're some Red Pill internet guy. She'll just think you're cute, fun, and social, like all of the other guys she sleeps with. And this right here is some rosy eyed wishful thinking LOL. Maybe she'll think you're a shady fuckboy who's fake as hell trying to be all cool and fun?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 05:15 PM
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There are going to be some "topics" which just make you a shitbag, period. Your opinion on an entire gender, dating or human relationships vs. your opinion on taxation is not the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 05:12 PM
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Is this some kind of app or online dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 05:10 PM
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Hate to say it but how do you know you have good romance skills? As opposed to just average? Or maybe even below average? This kind of thing is hard to know with any certainty.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 05:10 PM
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Possibly, but there seems to be a lot of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 05:09 PM
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Hot for a crack ho, I suppose ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 05:09 PM
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I have no idea how political affiliation relates to the more touchy subjects I mentioned but OK.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/19 06:46 PM
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Here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4397976/ Note that "hook up" is obviously a wide range of sexual acts. This study also found that students were more likely to have engaged in oral and vaginal sex when their partner was a friend rather than a stranger or acquaintance. In a recent study, Fielder and Carey (2010b) found that, among female college students, hookups were more likely to occur with friends (47%) or acquaintances (23%) than with strangers (14%) or ex-boyfriends (12%).…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/19 06:44 PM
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So yeah my point wasn't to shit on ALL WC/LMC people but "good bod and cash" is like trashy as hell "attraction", you know? (that was the whole point of this comment chain)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/19 06:32 PM
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OK so you're probably the first person to actually post something that resembles a "how to" for building comfort or trust, so good job. This is exactly the kind of stuff that is totally lacking in Manosphere forums. The two issues that remain are: Is this highly effective or not very effective at all? (There must be some kind of research into these topics that is around). Can socially retarded men actually be taught to do this stuff? (They can read it, but can they implement it in a real social …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/19 06:29 PM
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No not necessarily. A place like that out in cheap county isn't really UMC. UMC is not local it's country wide. The person from some random North Carolina gated community could barely afford a 1 bedroom in NYC. The same person also can't afford the same lifestyle overall as someone in a gated community in Boston or SF (where they would have to be far wealthier to afford it)... leisure activities, travel, food, etc..
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/19 06:12 PM
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You're making this convoluted with "dating" ... I was talking about meeting women at bars or clubs. That doesn't really count as a "date" but just a first time short meeting. Is first date = first ever meeting? Date counts as a romantic meeting, so to many people they could have met 20 times in a social setting before a first date.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/19 06:06 PM
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Go ahead and try to explain my supposed no true Scotsman and how I moved the goalposts in the last few comments. It's obvious that this dude doesn't know what words mean (comfort/trust vs being supplicating/spineless/boring) OR he is terrible is with self awareness and diagnosing his problems with women (and those of other men).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/19 06:00 PM
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What is your UMC definition exactly? The trashiest people I've met tend to be on that WC/LMC line. That is like half of all people in America. UMC is like 15% or so.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/19 05:58 PM
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It's not missed, but yes, it's glossed over, and when it's not, it's not covered well at all. Show me a "guide" to building comfort or trust. I'm waiting.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/19 05:56 PM
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I've read summaries of various things like RSD and the Style guys materials (not in full detail I admit) and also the RP forum side bar.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/19 05:55 PM
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My information is based on a large survey/study of hookup culture, dude. Not my friends (but my friends mostly match that info).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/19 05:54 PM
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OK first of all, the OP is not about marriage, so that's irrelevant. It's about building comfort or trust in a small amount of time (like when you are out at a bar... again, see the OP). Manson does not actually say anything about how to build comfort OR trust, except this bit: That feeling of comfort and security is when she recognizes she’s with an attractive man who demonstrates a sufficient lack of neediness around her. Biologically, this indicates to her that this is a man of status and sec…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/19 05:53 PM
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OK let's hear it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/19 05:49 PM
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OK let's ignore the fact that I'm married. I'll speak like I'm single. Unless I connected to you in a deeper level in the first few hours of meeting you I wouldn't even kiss you (not anymore at least, the pointless drunk make outs got old like freshman year of college). Matching on values/opinions, wit, etc etc. All crucial. Of course on top of physical attraction. Want to know why some small group of girls go home with guys after meeting them for an hour? It's more the girl than the guy. Do you…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/19 05:49 PM
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The point is that most of these men can't actually make a girl feel comfortable or trust her in a short period of time. TRP doesn't talk much at all about this, for example, so the guys are missing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/19 05:45 PM
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You got that right.. but not what you think LOL. I'm a straight girl. How'd you flop that one, dude?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/19 05:44 PM
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Unless you grew up around the Bay Area or New England/NYC nicer towns it's highly unlikely you actually met UMC people by both income AND values/lifestyle. Maybe by income, it sounds like, but that's like half of the puzzle you know? What you're describing to me in the Boston area would be LMC/WC girls who get into college paying just about full price and doing dumb shit. That or total rebels against a normal UMC family (super rare). They were so few and far between at BC (coke and banging stran…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/19 05:42 PM
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Sure they will when anonymity or privacy is maintained. This info is gathered with privacy in mind. It's in person that everything gets BSed because reputations are on the line.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/19 05:40 PM
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I'd say it's also heavily related to a strong bond with another human. The sex is just a byproduct of that (pretty much literally).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/19 05:39 PM
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In real life people just keep their mouth shut. That's the real reason that some people seem more "normal" than they actually are in real life. They KNOW they are weird/edgy/obnoxious/whatever so in real life they hide it to save face (or their job). It'll surface eventually in some form, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/19 05:37 PM
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What gave you the idea that any of those guys have romance skills? Everyone here is saying that, yet nothing suggests that. All totally wishful thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/19 05:36 PM
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Can you provide quotes from one of those books that go into detail about this?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 07:55 PM
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OK let's assume it's under discussed because it's "straightforward." Explain to me how building comfort and trust is "straightforward" when you just met a girl at a bar. In detail.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 07:55 PM
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I don't know anything about beta, but just read their posts and you can tell they are super insecure and shady. If not, you're not good at reading people if you ask me.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 07:54 PM
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I've never gone beyond kissing/touching with someone I JUST met and neither have most of my friends. If you get these drunk (bars) + super low inhibition girls that are oblivious to character judgment then good for you. You should write a big post about it and teach people to identify them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 07:51 PM
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There's nothing to back up that claim beyond people saying it, unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 07:49 PM
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You're confusing comfort/trust with being supplicating/spineless/boring.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 07:43 PM
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How about showing that some amount of posts/comments in threads about "attracting women" focus on comfort/trust building? 10% of comments? Better yet, 30%? The more the better.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 07:34 PM
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PUA definitely talks about gettings guys GFs, and my OP is about the Manosphere, not TRP. I also keep hearing that TRP is a "toolbox" so your point is moot dude. And my post was all about casual sex, actually (regardless of what TRP is for) and my point stands: comfort and trust are necessary for the vast majority of women even for casual sex. And TRP and PUA don't do anything to teach that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 07:32 PM
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Infidelity is a tricky issue. Some women are to blame for their men cheating. It's way more complicated than just understanding a person's personality when you meet them so that's not strong evidence of anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 07:29 PM
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When you're behind a computer you don't hide your true nature/personality. You hide it in real life. You can't hide it forever and many women will sniff it out instantly.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 07:21 PM
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You provided an example of this material (well, like ONE line from some book or something) but didn't show that this is what most men read or talk about (hence I think they ignore it mostly). This last bit is the important point here.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 07:20 PM
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Because it would help men build crucial skills to actually get women to open their legs? Duh.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 07:19 PM
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Most don't get into abusive ones. A few have bad detectors, that I can't deny.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 07:18 PM
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You hilariously know less about the Manosphere than me, then, because most original PUA and RP sources (I've read a handful) let the men choose what they want. You're ranting rather ignorantly at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 07:17 PM
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I mean dude some "med students" are fucked up low inhibition drug addicts. I know a few myself lol. Interesting how in your op you're saying you should be aiming to be as non judgemental as possible to build comfort and trust but you're going full judging giraffe always looks down here. I'm not a guy trying to get some action from girls either... key point.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 07:13 PM
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That's not the OP dude. It's my reply to a comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 07:11 PM
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If women didn't have this detector the Manosphere would be tiny or non existent lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 07:11 PM
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Last I checked the Manosphere was there to get men the relationships they want with women, whatever that may be. The men choose.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 07:10 PM
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How about food disgust LOL? I love all kinds of food including escargots and stuff but have never had a ONS LOL.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 07:09 PM
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That's not comfort/trust, that's called conveying sexual intent. See, even you're confused about what's what...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 07:08 PM
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You really don't think you can get a feel for a person's personality while observing their posts? Come on. One post may mean nothing but 100 posts?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 06:57 PM
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What I wrote was about comfort and trust building in my main post and how it's missing in Manosphere materials most of the time. You can make up whatever you want dude I'm not going to respond to you in this comment chain anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 06:56 PM
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You got this all backwards. We're talking about what women find attractive. Yet here you are throwing out silly lines about what men find attractive. Wrong thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 06:54 PM
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What evidence is there that they are good at all at any kind of comfort game? I see evidence to the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 06:50 PM
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That was just me responding to a comment that oversimplified things. I actually don't even believe that most working class womens attraction works like that. They find unsavory men... unsavory. Period.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 06:49 PM
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Well even on TRP, which is supposed to be used for discussion and teaching/learning.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 06:48 PM
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Curious, how would you go about finding the slutty girls in the room? The sluttiest girls I knew were usually into smoking stuff. Cigarettes or pot. Any kind of drugs other than alcohol, basically. That's the best I got.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 06:47 PM
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Evidence that most of them do NOT miss this stuff. For example, showing that many posts that they make talk about this stuff. Or comments. This is of course not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 06:45 PM
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Sorry but it's just your word against mine. If you're around trashy people like "criminals, gangbangers, or other unsavory men" all the time, well, that says something, doesn't ? I have literally NEVER interacted with those people once I moved to a nice town near Boston with my parents years ago, and then went to college and work. Ditto for my friends. In reality away from my word vs yours there is NO reason for people of higher class to interact with people of lower class. Unless you're calling…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 06:44 PM
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If they want to have lots of sex with different girls they need to get on Tinder or whatever is hot right now. Bars are still a bad option there. After that it's still comfort/trust that needs to be established (to connect this back to my post). Very few women will fuck total strangers who they do not trust or feel comfortable around, including the low inhibition ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 06:41 PM
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I never said that you should be hiding it from yourself, just that a lot of men do, and don't see it as anything majorly wrong ("I didn't lie, I just didn't tell the whole truth"). Eh, some call that "lying" and most would call it acting shady or being untrustworthy, hence my point. Anyway.. Likewise, I never said that confidence and trustworthiness were mutually exclusive, just that when cold approching a girl: most guys will only be able to have one or two thoughts running through there head a…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 06:37 PM
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But they don't talk about it (comfort and trust, and how to actually build it) ... like at all or very very rarely!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 06:35 PM
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Like 10-20% (this number is from hookup studies) of low inhibition women is only a ton as some silly number like "10 million" but in a room where you meet women this is slim pickings. You're right about finding them... but I have never seen them talk about "how to find the slutty girls in a room" LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 06:34 PM
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It's a fairly simplistic way to attraction. Women who are that into "cash" are likely very low income and hence don't have much of it, and therefore will try to get their hands on it as much as possible. Way too basic for how people I know (mostly well off people in CT/MA) do the dating thing. Character, class, empathy (emotional connection) etc. are all important and your "good bod and wallet" way totally misses it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 06:30 PM
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The first is, in order to convince someone looking for a relationship to trust you (when you just want a one night stand), you need to be "whishy washy" with your words or else be known to yourself as a hypocrite, something everyone would rather avoid.I don't think men are deliberately lying, but they definetly plug their ears and pretend everything they're doing is fine. And I think, to all the women who are looking for relationships and sleep with guys after first merting them, are doing the s…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 06:28 PM
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Something tells me most guys haven't read that Manson's book or totally glossed over that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 06:24 PM
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Well, as I said, if this was the case, why are so many of these men giving off a totally nasty, not trustworthy vibe on here?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 06:24 PM
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No, because most men are not "criminals, gangbangers, or other unsavory men" in fact those men are a TINY minority and almost certainly interacting with women of equally low standing in society most of the time. Exceptions don't make the rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 06:23 PM
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Perhaps this is some kind of thing is working class areas?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 06:22 PM
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This may be the case for many of them, but they give off a nasty and totally NOT trustworthy vibe here. What happened to all of those supposed comfort/trust traits most of them supposedly had?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 06:22 PM
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Comfort and trust are not required for every girl to have sex. One night stands would never happen if this was the case. Different girls have different qualifiers to have sex with someone, and for some trust and comfort might be one. Most women will never have a one night stand or fuck a stranger. If you want to have a lot of SEX then that's a really stupid way to do it. Finding a girl for a relationships is the way to a whole lot of sex. But for the majority I believe that being sexually attrac…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 06:20 PM
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Fair enough on the point about certain people whining, but maybe some of these people can't even be taught how to build comfort or trust? Like how do you even teach or learn that stuff even if you're good enough to realize that it's a necessary component? Maybe some of these guys are legit socially/mentally stunted and won't be able to empathize with people like ever? :(
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 06:17 PM
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Well even coming back to the t-shirt example. There's a difference between a washed up (but washed, yay!) cheap Walmart t-shirt and a nice bold colored, tapered v-neck from Calvin Klein or something on a guy with a sexy V shaped body. The latter is HOT HOT (two things working together) and the former is "bleh" at best to YUCK at worst. This nuance escapes most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/19 05:24 PM
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By "wrong" I mean clearly way out of consensus of any kind. If 60% of women like type A, 35% type B and 5% type C for example it's pretty clear that A is the winner and what guys need to try to be if they want the most options. A specific example of what is often gotten totally wrong here is the obsession with muscles (size wise) and height both of which are easy to "judge" (hence the obsession) vs. the stuff that matters much more: what an attractive face is (super hard for a straight guy to ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/19 04:47 PM
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Yeah I definitely agree with that, but there's also just guys judging even JUST LOOKS of OTHER GUYS totally wrong. What we supposedly like in terms of self care, attractive faces, attractive bodies, etc etc is often just so wrong on here based on at least my experience with dozens of girls I know fairly well and do girl chit chat with.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/19 03:50 PM
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The opinion of a diverse many is worth more than the opinion of a very specific few, ya know? Try to find some kind of survey/poll to any preference and I think you'll do much better than listening to a few people here.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/19 03:50 PM
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That person has no clue what they are talking about. Probably just projecting their extreme promiscuity all over everyone else (gross). https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr036.pdf College educated people have the least sexual partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/19 05:51 PM
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people with college degrees have more sex partners than people without them, statistically. No, they do not. That is just straight up incorrect. I am well familiar with this info because I work in biotech related research. People in large metros also report fewer sexual partners. You literally have it all backwards. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr036.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/19 05:50 PM
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I've seen many couples where the woman looks out of the man's league to me, but I can't simply assume women see it the same way Pretty impressive reflection on your thoughts. Some people here straight up assume they know exactly what is going on in other people's heads. The men here suck really bad at judging what women find attractive on many levels.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/19 05:35 PM
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Dude, I posted like 12 times in 3 days (and you posted like 12 times in the 2 hours) mostly asking you questions you couldn't answer. Who do you think you fooling except yourself?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/19 09:05 PM
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Nice hyperbolized strawman arguments LOL. Seriously, you've been posting compulsively here for days (just saw your post history). Get off the Internet and do something with your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/19 09:00 PM
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They are not borderline overweight dude, stop making up crap. One is borderline too SKINNY in my eyes LOL. OK, but they'd reject you too, so what? Still waiting to hear about how great you are and what you bring to the table and what you think these "highly desirable" girls are like...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/19 08:46 PM
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didn't you say they're not into the alpha chads that netflix and chill? the only way they would be meeting them is through tinder. They never meet these men because they aren't interested even in a "first date" with these guys. I am pointing out that those dudes don't meet ANY of the wants those girls have. they have minimum interests, personality, they're probably average looking as well(didn't see you mention them going to the gym) didn't see anything about passions or goals. They are both nor…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/19 08:52 PM
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Neither of them have ever used Tinder LOL what are you talking about? Which faults?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/19 08:52 PM
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You're talking shit about people you never even met LOL that's LOW. 60-75K for a 25 year old is far from bad (one makes more than the other), and they are both in careers where their income will rise significantly. You're also right, they did complain, but not about being single, but the shitty dates they had which disappointed them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/19 08:30 PM
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I like how you're trying to flip the script on the offense here. You literally started ranting about how bad they are because they don't complain their situation and they have high standards. They went to great schools, got comfortable paying jobs and how live life on their own terms. How terrible! I bring more than them. I'm sure you like to think so.. but talk is cheap..
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/19 08:19 PM
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I don't know where people got this idea. Seems like some weird projection or phobia or something. I merely said that most of the boring ass or less smart guys also have crappy (unimpressive) careers. Hence the girls were put off on many levels.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/19 08:09 PM
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Why? Because some losers on the Internet said so?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/19 08:08 PM
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I'm not sure how long she goes for.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/19 08:07 PM
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It is obvious, but they aren't complaining. It's not like they are being rejected, it's the other way around...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/19 08:06 PM
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OK yes but they are NOT selecting for careers at all. The career thing is by product of sorts. Most of the men they meet are boring/not passionate/not that knowledgeable and not surprisingly their careers are also poopoo. I think I explained this pretty well.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/19 07:01 PM
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If they sound basic then 95% of other people are below basic LOL. If anything they actually have all of the "basics" down very well and better than most women. I mean one of them actually goes to a book club so is quite the reader. How "basic" is that? The other is something of a nature lover. Likes hiking and outdoorsy stuff. Still too basic? Is she supposed to like nuclear physics and shit like that? LOL.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/19 07:00 PM
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But they are not waiting for Hercules or PhDs.. fit men who aren't totally boring and have good careers suffice. Its their mirror image, basically.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 11:17 PM
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They are pretty high agreeableness/conscientiousness and both are honest and sweet. One has a bit of a bubbly personality. What are they missing?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 11:16 PM
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Those girls have low single digit partner counts, esp. if only PIV counts.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 11:14 PM
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LOL what is wrong with you guys here? You're looking at this from the wrong POV. It's about the women with those degrees being more choosy, what you think of their degrees was never considered here.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 11:13 PM
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Definitely. Why did you feel the need to say this?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 09:57 PM
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Oh sure, at least for sure for men who have the same traits. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 09:04 PM
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Being honest and sweet doesn't matter for RMV? Come on that is BS. Men here bitch about lying nasty hos all the time. They are both fairly agreeable people and both high on consciousnesses in my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 08:57 PM
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Well sure, but you can say that to anyone?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 08:54 PM
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You never get exactly what you want (and that's provided your standards are reasonable enough) but the question is how close will you get? :)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 08:10 PM
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The Boston / New England area is far from the worst to have those preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 07:47 PM
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What is your point, exactly? They are 25-26 and have no student debt last I checked. Those numbers will also rise. One lives with a roommate who is her best friend. The other lives solo but a little further out from the Cambridge/Boston area. I don't know what you envision as a "WASP lifestyle" but they can afford all basics easily, with money left for high end self care and some basic designer clothing, nice dining that can range from tapas to oysters and wine, plus they do some basic travel ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 07:46 PM
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How are these girls missing men, specifically? Your analogy doesn't answer the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 07:40 PM
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You can think whatever you want they don't complain or care. They were raised one way and have certain preferences. There is not a huge, but decent amount of guys from the same background.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 07:39 PM
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There is no problem. They don't complain about being single. At least not yet. They aren't 35, they are 25-26. They have another 3-4 years at least and they were more focused on work their first years out of college. I think they are doing well to hold out and find someone they are REALLY into. Good long term thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 07:38 PM
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LOL you said a big bunch of nothing. "My friends are better than your friends because no reason provided." What is wrong with you dude? So what is so awesome about those girls that my well adjusted friends with high standards don't have? I'm actually laughing at how offended people are here about someone having high standards and not being an easy sell.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 07:36 PM
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No one is going to fund anything for them, what kind of stupid idea is that? They make good money. The guys they actually go out with usually come from somewhat similar backgrounds. They've tried the long shots with different guys and those are the dates that don't go to "date 2."
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 07:34 PM
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No, you literally missed the point. Like you didn't even read it or something. :) Yeah, I don't feel sorry for them because they are the choosers. Lots of guys want to date them, they reject most. Eventually they'll get their needs met or they'll have to settle downwards.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 07:32 PM
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You're confusing NPD and more general narcissism.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 07:30 PM
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What the hell you talking about? I say women do not know how to do jobs and that what you take? Yeah, you are looking in the wrong place Who knows? most people think I am a trashposter on reddit or because I work as a handyman and grow chicken on a backyard I am poor, until they learn I am a brazilian professor that knows 3 languages and is working on his PhD. I think women's view of the matter is pretty bad as they lose any respect to a man the second they see a man has any interest that is not…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 06:31 PM
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I mean maybe if most men just want access to sex? It's all "sex sex sex sex sex SEEEEXXX." That almost certainly guarantees they are boring nobodies with little else going for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 06:29 PM
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These girls have decent income, average personalities (pleasent to be around is very low bar) their interest includes cooking? What exactly do they have going on for them aside from not being shitty and a good job? What do you expect, dude? Model from Columbia who is also a masseuse and does ass to mouth? Tell me. I listed the most common universally attractive things. Lots of women do not even have those they are gross to men. I mean they are pleasant/kind, sincere, they are generally open mind…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 06:28 PM
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I love how you think that their SMV is increased by hairdos, nails, waxing etc. Most men don't give a fuck about any of that. Some dudes even like to sniff a woman's sweaty hairy armpit. I love how you think that their SMV is increased by hairdos, nails, waxing etc. Most men don't give a fuck about any of that. Some dudes even like to sniff a woman's sweaty hairy armpit. As for jobs, forget it, no man cares unless you're talking about blowjobs - then you could add some points to their SMV. Dude …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 06:24 PM
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Oh yes definitely this. If you can make some topic the girl normally wouldn't care about or understand "fun" and "understandable" you're doing the right thing and standing out from the vast majority of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 06:21 PM
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Depends on how extreme it is. I don't view these girls as extreme narcissists at all. Their social media use is pretty limited, for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 06:11 PM
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Nah that's bullshit. I think there's some number in the girls' heads but it differs. The highest paid women I know almost all certainly are dating men making less than them (mid to high level managers at my employer in various departments - I work in a Biotech company). Second assumption is that most girls believe they deserve everything if they look good. The package deal you mentioned don't apply to those girls. They're not good girls, they're exactly the personality of the guys they deem are …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 06:06 PM
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They aren't selecting on the outcomes specifically. I never said that. Income and impressive job are bonus points, potentially big ones. They also speak volumes about what kind of men those guys are (like a proxy of sorts). Obviously all of the related personality traits is what they didn't find attractive in those men. The indicators they're looking for exclude a whole bunch of suitable men that fit their criteria. How (assuming they are also looking for the personality traits that those outcom…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 06:04 PM
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Nothing about this is set in stone and your word isn't gospel about this. I'll leave it there.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 06:04 PM
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They have comfortable well paying jobs, they are good looking girls. What more do you want? I have a hard time evaluating their personalities, but they are both feminine and generally pleasant. They are also of good moral character (I have not caught them lying or being two-faced). One of them also cooks really well. Had her tacos during the super bowl and they were delicious. She bought some nice wine too which went well with them and I told me husband about it (he loves wine) and even he was l…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 05:55 PM
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You mean men that do not focus on their appearance? Because if yes, then I agree, but anything outside of it, is probably because they are focusing some other aspect women find attractive, like wealth, power or status. LOL dude no most men are not focusing on any serous job or wealth. They are posting trash on the Internet or playing video games. They also don't work in Silicon Valley. Most men I know, do both men's and women's jobs without problems. Sure, they don't like it, but they do it. Fro…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 05:53 PM
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Dude, you don't get it at all. The income and impressive jobs are mostly OUTCOMES of having intelligence and certain personality traits. Guys with jobs they love (and can talk about in an interesting way) also have a lot of OTHER interesting topics they can discuss OR they are smart enough to relate to things other people talk about because they are highly cultured and knowledgeable. A lot of these men are also for example "high consciousnesses" which is an attractive/positive trait for relation…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 05:47 PM
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You mean by holding themselves to very high standards, basically?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 05:42 PM
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The girls I'm talking about are not hyper focused on income. They never even bring it up explicitly. It's more like the guys with the fancier jobs that they are also passionate about (you don't get a super competitive job unless you fight for it and REALLY want it - ask my brother about getting a job on Wall Street) are often WAY more interesting to talk to than office drones with no passion for anything except video games and sports and "beer nights with the bros."
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 05:35 PM
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Although I was mostly joking, the type of people who have trust funds often come from super conservative backgrounds and it's highly likely that their parents will not approve of an abortion (nor will the girl accept one). These people can easily afford child care so that makes it even less of an issue. We're not talking about some rebel tattoo artist with a rich father or other boring cliche.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 05:31 PM
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I think more women meet the initial "looks requirement" for men than , so it is easier for men to find someone good looking to them. This is related to the second point below. I find that more men are lazy/slobs compared to women and this is also a big detractor for relationships. Also, lot of girls may waste time on social media or TV, but more women have better "home" skills than men who are busy playing video games or watching sports on TV EXCESSIVELY.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 05:19 PM
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Well two of the girls I mentioned are both normal weight (one has big natural boobs to boot) with nice hair dos, nails, waxed or laser removed hair, etc. They both also went to college and work in fairly well paying jobs (60-75K range I would guess) and have some posh/WASP tastes. So yeah, they aren't gonna settle for Mr. Netlix and Chill Alpha who barely makes the same money they do with nothing else going for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 05:11 PM
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Even 2 shy people should be able to find a spark that will open them up. Otherwise it's gonna be one short lived relationship for them I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 05:06 PM
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Well the mediocre job thing is basically like most people who don't really like their job and it doesn't pay well, and they have no passion for it. Boring + resentful doesn't make for a fun combo. Impressive job is something where the guy can actually talk about it in an interesting way and has passion for it. I guess working at a big name company helps too because that has prestige. I don't mind passive or intentional bragging ability. No neither me or any of my friends have ever dated or even …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 05:05 PM
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I'm making up total BS in this case, why do you ask?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 05:00 PM
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Big oops ya know? The dude could be quite the babymaking stud...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 04:39 PM
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OK I think you edited your reply so now I can respond. I think there is a good chance that the guy will get snagged up by age 22... but not 100%. Maybe around 50%. Well at least be in a stable relationship, not necessarily marry that same girl but maybe he will. Even when you consider personal preferences and what not there are not that many guys out there with all those qualities. Maybe 1 out of 10 out of all men?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 04:37 PM
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Hey now maybe they come from mega $$$$$$ ?? Trust fund babies with babies living the good life. College is just a check box.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 04:34 PM
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What the hell are you on about man? :| I am totally not following your responses to me..
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 04:33 PM
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Way better options than what?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 04:29 PM
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I guess explain to me why those weird niche words are better than normal words from a dictionary. Instead of alpha why not try "sexy and confident." You just add like another layer of difficulty with that alpha beta stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 04:27 PM
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Well I guess it's good looking, intelligent/does well for himself and good personality. Ultimately someone interesting (not super cookie cutter, you know?) and fun to be around and also pleasant to the eyes :)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 04:26 PM
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My friends have exhausted their closest social circle options basically. That's that. Now it's friends of friends (rarely) at best but usually people they meet in work related events or just people they meet while they are going out. I don't know why you think that first dates can't produce chemistry. Chemistry between two people can be pretty instant and really should be. 3 hours of getting to know each other and you should be "clicking" or "vibing" like getting each other's humor and finding t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 04:24 PM
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I didn't mean you literally with "you" I mean it in general as in "people" don't get so upset geez!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 04:16 PM
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It makes confusing material even more confusing like I have a hard time keeping up with all of the different ways people are using the terms. I have never seen the last two phrases used here even once in the last few months. I admit that's not the longest time but still. Why can't you just use normal words that actually mean things and can be found in the freakin dictionary lol?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 03:51 PM
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Finding the whole package is hard for LT relationships (even if you are the full package yourself). I got lucky early but I have a handful of friends in their mid 20s who are still single and have no luck beyond first dates because the guys are usually unimpressive to them (even if good looking enough to get them to go out with them).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 03:48 PM
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According to the TRP sidebar (which I have learned is holy to them) that is not high beta, that is alpha + beta. There is no such thing as high beta according to them and I thought this forum was supposed to debate RP ideas?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 03:39 PM
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Are you saying no fatherly, financially stable guy is hot? What if he's hot? What is he called then?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 07:00 AM
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So what am I supposed to think when I read "high beta" ? That the chick is settling for the guy big time? A little? Or that she's crazy for him but everyone else thinks she settled for him (maybe big time) ?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 09:35 PM
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Yeah but the definitions are pretty wide open here it's like anyone can just say their high beta is different so what does that even make a "high beta"? What is a low alpha then?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 09:22 PM
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What about if you add handsome and charismatic/funny into the mix? Is that an alpha beta? A beta alpha?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 09:13 PM
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Is "high beta" like some weird way of saying "cream of the crop" around here? Edit: so there seems to be a whole bunch of definitions which are kind of limited in scope OK thanks for the responses though :\
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 08:52 PM
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It's thanks to 3 months in this place that I've learned the extent of some people's narcissism, big egos and being self-centered. There must be some seriously both lonely AND sad people here like that person you replied to.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 07:54 PM
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I would be hard pressed to find one media representation of TRP that's correct. And there are dozens of articles about us. Many link directly to you and show the "evidence." Unlike news about some faraway war, your stuff is all out in the open for everyone to see. I would be hard pressed to find one media representation of TRP that's correct. And there are dozens of articles about us. I mean I tried a red pill + CNN search just for fun and this came up. https://money.cnn.com/2017/11/10/technolog…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 07:32 PM
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Tons! Nothing that would appease somebody like you. But we did just recently add direct links back to top level posting. And we've taken a hard line stance against Jordan Peterson. So basically you changed nothing in terms of presentation of your material or anything people actually object to. Hence, you changed nothing that initially caught my eye as being off-putting as well as the eyes of others. But that's just gibberish isn't it? Because I just demonstrated that the media portrays us incorr…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 06:36 PM
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We implement changes of people we respect. That starts with understanding our purpose before barking orders. What have you changed in the last year? Here's the media suggesting Eliot Roger was a red piller: http://archive.fo/z7Hdu Except Elliot Roger hates pickup. He frequented a forum that was staunchly anti-red pill- PUAHate. Why would we take them seriously when they can't even get that right? How seriously you take the media is irrelevant. It's how seriously everyone else takes the media abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 06:13 PM
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Well people like her and you are a relationship risk because there is a high risk you'll relapse to your old ways (I believe many people think this way) and I'm not sure how you're going to fix that. You can choose not to be with her and I think that's a good choice. On the other hand, will others look away from your past even if you do fix yourself? Hard to say. I wouldn't, but I'm not everyone. Maybe you can fix yourself and you can find someone who has also shown that they can avoid relapsing…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 06:10 PM
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If we implemented every change people suggest, we wouldn't be us anymore. OK but you've implemented exactly zero it seems. Not when our society makes it its job to misinterpret us to demonize us in the media. After a while you learn to stop caring what other people think. That brings us to today. The media looks about right on most of what you say and do. That's actually pretty impressive for the media I think. And even if you actually do stop caring what people think... you still concern them (…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 06:05 PM
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Those men might be unaware of their fetishes or their extent. Sure, hourglass is a more obvious one that is common for men to be attracted to. I think facial is more prone to personalized variation (but not quite fetish).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 07:03 AM
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I only learned of the Manosphere about 3-4 months ago and frankly you guys seem to have an excuse for everything that everyone claims is wrong with your forum or ideas and how you present them. How most people interpret you matters. If they take your words seriously and don't think they are "goofy" then maybe you should rethink how you are presenting your so called ideas and strategies? So your goal may be ignoble, but the means to that end matter. Actually they matter doubly so when your audien…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 07:01 AM
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How do you know those aren't being confused with fetishes?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/19 07:58 PM
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Why are you attached to and interested in pursuing someone with a ton of red flags, dude? I get it that you get feelings like anyone else but your brain has the ability override that in such obviously bad for you situations. You're not really doing all that well yourself, either so maybe it's best you take a step back from dating or sleeping around and get yourself together.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/19 04:52 PM
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I was not responding to your original comment that you quoted but the comment chain of another poster.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/19 03:12 PM
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If my parents found out I was involved with one of the known drug dealing or using idiots in high school they would have probably disowned me and slashed my college tuition fund. My dad had way too much reputation to lose given that he worked right under the executive board of a large public company.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/19 06:48 AM
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Fetish chasers?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/19 04:57 AM
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No, are you? Here we go again with everything revolving around sex and virginity. Let's completely ignore that she could be "relating to the opposite sex" by doing other sexual or intimate things. Unless she is 30 years old or more I'm not going to bat an eye and I lost my virginity not too long after I turned 20. One of my best friends lost her virginity at like 23-24 and she made out with and did sexual stuff with like a dozen guys before she met her SO but never had sex before that. And don't…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/19 04:56 AM
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A couple of rounds of sex and apparently she's a totally different person.. much more relationship ready than the virgin version her ?? (yeah that was implied all along this post regarding what is normal and what is not). Holy shit, people here have really lost it with their obsession with sex and virginity. "A few times of sex" = "experienced." OK I mean that's one very low bar, but ok!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/19 12:37 AM
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Are you sure? I think people only have that kind of reaction when they have some kind of high level fetish. Like a girl with massive breasts and ass but who is otherwise out of proportion.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 09:29 PM
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I don't think religion is the powerful explanation for all thing non-sexual in the world. What if she was just craving emotional attachment to men that she didn't find? Watched her friends get burned by guys who said they wanted more but then disappeared. Became more paranoid because of that, maybe to unhealthy levels. Focused on her schoolwork and then work to make sure she could support herself. So yeah, kissless and dateless is probably a stretch for a 25 year old or even 22 year old, but vir…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 08:59 PM
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Yeah if the numbers are an expression of your personal feelings that's cool, except according to the posts from some guys here it's some "accurate" "objective" system. According to that dude who I linked 4 comments from he claims men have it all "figured out generation over generation" and he think his little descriptions of 1-10 are somehow set in stone when in fact no one will agree on what is "near perfect" for example for an 8 rating. 8 might mean "near perfect" but what is "near perfect?" I…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 08:53 PM
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I don't think that's how most men think save for the spergs on here which you mentioned. Just look at the wide range of ratings even the top 3 highest rated women got in that paper I linked. Someone with an overall rating of 7 still got a lot of 5s and 9s. You can call an "8" near perfect but what is "near perfect" ? That wide deviation shows that there is a lot of personal preference involved which makes his silly system even sillier.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 08:44 PM
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Yeah in practice that kind of obvious flaw which made you kissless/dateless is understandable. I guess I envision there being some kind of exception to it where a girl gets a lot of interest from men (she has no obvious flaws outside or inside) but keeps saying NO to all men for some personal reasons. I guess maybe it makes more sense for her to be a virgin, but perhaps not dateless or kissless. I suppose age also matters... like 20 or 25 or 30 isn't the same if you're gonna pass judgement.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 08:41 PM
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How would one know such a thing anyway, though? Like if she knows it's embarrassing she'll hide it. Or do you assume she's gotta be really messed up in some way and literally can't hide it and therefore can't get a date or kiss or anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 08:23 PM
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Oh no you don't sound angry at all but maybe a little overconfident in how well you understand the attraction tendencies of others. I agree biology or some kind of innate attraction is very important. Most guys won't like the fat chick. But let's come back to these girls: [These] (https://scontent-sea1-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/54a3f97a337aa13412eb18c2cc8d92a1/5C6643D3/t51.2885-15/e35/13413371_1717594098509894_131053743_n.jpg?se=7&ig_cache_key=MTI3Njk3ODYyMTIzODc3MTc1OA%3D%3D.2) or these Like is the…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 08:13 PM
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No dude I'm not talking about you or even any one specific person. Where did you get your 70% number? You said: There is a standard of conventional attraction, and people will agree on how hot someone is 70% of the time. Ugly people are ugly, hot people are hot, but the average person will have a bit of leeway. As I said, there are exceptions to every rule. So where did that 70% come from? What does that mean? Like how do you know that? Sounds a little suspicious and arrogant to me. And how do y…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 08:02 PM
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Ok but how do you figure out who that is? How do you figure out who is hot in some kind of grand consensus way? In your other comment you mentioned biology or what not? It's not like your mind can read the minds of all people and figure out how they are evaluating the "biology" of another person.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 07:53 PM
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Dude I actually posted a very interesting (and only one) I could find research paper on the topic that literally said the opposite of what you just said. Men agree more, women less. Overall there is moderate consensus, but it is not high, especially for women. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/26241100_Using_Revealed_Mate_Preferences_to_Evaluate_Market_Force_and_Differential_Preference_Explanations_for_Mate_Selection Take a look. I'd expect people around here to know this stuff better tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 07:31 PM
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How are you going to figure out who is "more attractive" ?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 07:29 PM
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Mmm ok but how do you define "hot" person then for example?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 07:27 PM
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t is way more no/maybe/yes/hell-yes! when you talk to non-internet spergs. Yeah lol exactly I mean this is mostly how the guys I know talk about girls including most of my husband's friends. That and the ubiquitous "hot" or "sexy as hell" or "pretty girl" are heard too. That research paper I found is actually interesting when it comes to how much more or less agreement there is about people who are more or less overall "attractive." You can find the link somewhere around these comments. It showe…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 07:26 PM
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LOL there goes that "complete consensus" theory down the drain.. The only consensus here was several of them not liking 1 particular girl in the first pic. That's it. And some guys are rating others are ranking where is this male hive mind I was being told about??
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 06:57 PM
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Funny my male coworker looked at these pics and said his 2 favorites were from the first pic but the second pic were also all generally attractive girls. So what gives?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 05:09 PM
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What if the women don't have any obvious flaws like being fat or very old? I actually found one that basically said there men have more consensus than women on who is attractive, but that consensus is still not that strong. The standard deviation of ratings is quite high. Someone rated a 7/10 in a photo had a range of 5-10 for most raters (standard deviation of about 2.5). You are familiar with exactly how this math concept works, right? https://www.researchgate.net/publication/26241100_Using_Re…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 04:49 PM
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Dude most women including very pretty ones do not seek out attention on social media from crowds of randoms. Using social media can entail little more than a private profile for keeping in touch with friends and family. An average chick being a slut on the Internet will surely garner low effort attention from random men who have nothing to do with their lives, but that's far from the norm of behavior as most women do not seek THAT much attention and there is no evidence that this behavior is hig…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 03:51 PM
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Hey guys check this out. /u/okuli /u/tgertcher as well. This "red piller" claims that men over generations have agreed to the this mancave number system. He claims there is complete consensus on this stuff between you guys. Apparently you all think exactly the same. What do you make of it? https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/aowyim/discussion_is_becoming_a_top_20_woman_as/eg51bio/ https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/an38hc/q4m_have_any_of_you_actually_had_more_succe…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 03:43 PM
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Neither I'm speaking matter of fact from my life experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 12:47 AM
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Does he pick up a female "beta bux" in the process?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 11:09 PM
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so i assume that means you don't know any sexy, exciting, high SMV alpha men. I know a ton of sexy exciting high RMV men including my husband who I'm crazy about. They are smart AND hot AND fun. The "high SMV only" guys don't even register to my 27 year old eyes anymore. That's like high school or college kid stuff. but here is the mistake that you are making. you are assuming that you and the guys and girls in your social circles are the top tier, highest value, highest quality, people in the s…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 11:04 PM
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I'm not saying that phenomenon is bullshit or anything I'm just wondering if it's exacerbated because of lower quality data from outside of the US. But yeah I mean the conclusion is at the high level men and women are lying by about 1 at the most. Hardly changes any conclusions about sexuality IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 09:57 PM
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He's going to do well on his MCAT after Podunk State (already sounds off) while also trying to date women (how does he find time for this)? This guy needs to change his whole life around. This isn't realistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 09:55 PM
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Ha ha ha ha no .... high FTO, high conscientiousness women from good to great colleges in the US are almost NEVER going to consider "sexy/exciting bartenders, surferbros, DJs, musicians, artists, drug dealers, or gang members" not over their dead bodies LOL. What kind of sick fantasy is that? Oh my. Lord no they are considering men from the same social and socioeconomic class as them who are ALSO sexy and fun. There are tons of men in high law, high finance and medical fields who are an absolute…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 09:42 PM
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He's not going to "do well" in undergrad because he's not going to get in to one with a real med school shot for him. lol
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 09:38 PM
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You're right that a bigger sample group for a follow up study would be great. I'm really not convinced there is very much lying going on at all, especially in the way that NCHS administers their surveys (they actually pay people to take surveys, which has been shown to increase accuracy if I recall correctly. We value the most accurate possible self reports here in the business). I see what you mean by the discrepancy as it goes well into other countries too. Are their questionnaire standards up…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 09:35 PM
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31 year old Ubering dummy is going to do well in undergrad and become a doctor at age 50? Holy smokes, dude. Please snap out of it. This is like guys here going "hey hur hur Bill Gates dropped outta college dat shit is overrrratted!!"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 09:23 PM
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For selling a book about how to best not fail at life when you are young. Who the hell is going to trust a person like that with medicine? What you're suggesting is so ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 09:09 PM
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You're not understanding the math here very well. First of all, medians do not have to match in a data set like that ("lifetime" sexual partners in a the NCHS data). A mean (colloquially the "average") does. There are also things like men visiting prostitutes, men travelling abroad more, etc. that can move the male name number up. So that's a moot point on multiple counts. If this isn't obvious to you make a simple example and do the math in something like Excel. Those lifetime partner numbers a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 09:05 PM
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They were Ubering bums before that? :D
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 08:54 PM
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Obnoxious is only subjective when you ask one person. If 80 out of 100 people say John is obnoxious, then John is pretty much obnoxious. That's how the world works. And most guys are not bitter at that age. They might be unimpressive, but not bitter.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 07:46 PM
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Says you LOL but the OP never said anything about the guy being an incel or having an incel personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 07:41 PM
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Oh. I'd assume engineer doesn't have the personality trait issues of the incel guy. He lacks sexual attractiveness, but isn't super bitter or obnoxious.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 07:37 PM
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There is a difference between being successful with some casual sex and being in a relationship long term. That's an important distinction.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 07:33 PM
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OK she wrote that no one wants him for an LTR. That's lots of guys, not just "incels", who have various flaws which are dealbreakers to most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 07:23 PM
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Define "trouble with dating."
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 07:18 PM
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How are low rmv women worse? My friend married his gf 2 years ago. She has a useless as fuck degree earning 24k a year. But she's nicer than most women and cares about her appearance. That's because she isn't low RMV she's actually mid RMV. Your judgment is wrong. Her looks add to her RMV obviously. Are you defining low smh = uneducated No? Low SMV? That's just "not sexy" so no bueno in looks and some personality traits which are sexually attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 07:18 PM
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Yes there is. That XYZ type woman is likely to have certain personality traits which make her better for relationships. High agreeableness, high conscientiousness, low neuroticism.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 07:16 PM
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OK dude you're all over the place here are we talking about only "incels" or all guys in real life?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 07:15 PM
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Low RMV women are even worse off for sure... Low RMV women and Low SMV men are the biggest "losers" in each category if you want to define it like that. Women only win a bit in the casual sex space because more men want it than women will give it. RMV is probably slightly in favor of men because fewer of them want relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 07:08 PM
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Then what then? I don't see high income guys being bitter more frequently at all. The opposite actually. It's mostly low income dummies who at 25 act like they are 15 who are bitter.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 07:05 PM
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I never said there were. But they are the best bet for long term stable relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 07:05 PM
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Right so the problem is the women and their standards being too high for this Poor Chad to meet...?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 07:03 PM
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I don't get how that's relevant to what I said there.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 07:01 PM
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That might be his best option but that's not going to get him the well adjusted, successful college educated wife (high FTO as people here say, good relationship personality).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 07:00 PM
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I think it applies to men more. Hence the Manosphere. Their equivalent women are far less in numbers based on what I can see on the Internet at least. That WAATGM subreddit people mention is basically the extent of it plus some dumb bloggers who write bitter articles about their dating problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 06:59 PM
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I can't relate to your experience at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 06:56 PM
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Duh so what is this going to do for Poor Chad in the long run? Nothing. His 20K "income" and her 50K. OK. This is good while he has access to her money. But women like that have all kinds of attachment issues (I mentioned this in my previous post) and he probably has attachment issues too. They aren't going to last because neither of them is relationship material personality wise. That is real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 06:46 PM
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He’s too exposed to high RMV women from a certain strata, to want anything other than that. Problem is he’s not up to par. Oh wow lol this basically sums up what the problems for so many men are (including a TON here). They see the goods. They wants the goods (like everyone else). They aren't good enough to have the goods for reasons they are totally oblivious to. Big drama and whining commences.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 06:43 PM
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Most people who get into great careers do so straight from undergrand or use undergrad as a stepping stone to very soon get into a very good grad school and then straight into the career. My husband, brother and lots of other people I know. That dude sounds like he's in such a mess than he'll be applying to grad school at age 33-34. Graduating 2-4 years later. He's in big trouble. No one becomes a partner track lawyer, high end investment professional or medical professional by starting higher e…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 06:39 PM
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The paycheck to paycheck "Chad" if you can even call him that (I'm not sure what people are seeing when they used that term) is going to have a hard time finding relationship quality women. In fact funny enough he'll likely get exactly what the guys here push as their ultimate fear: some promiscuous no career girl who did go to college and worked her way up some corporate ladder making OK money while sleeping around excessively (which given his tiny paycheck is 3-4 higher than his).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 06:35 PM
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What the heck is this?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 06:32 PM
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Cue the lifelong player wannabes cheering the Chad guy on...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 06:31 PM
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The high SMV low RMV guy is probably fucked because it's hard to get into any kind of great career that late in life. You're way behind the curve. He'd have to get into a great grad school and that's assuming he even went to college. The high RMV low SMV guy will probably live a more comfortable life even if he ends up alone, but if he can become sexually desirable he's going to be much better off. But yeah that sounds like a low budget TV show LOL.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 06:11 PM
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That's wrong dude, I just double checked. Women who thought their responses might be read said they had had an average of 2.6 sexual partners, compared with 3.4 partners for those who thought their answers were anonymous. But those who thought they would be caught out by the polygraph reported an average of 4.4 partners. It went up by 1. And that's using averages, which is pretty stupid (sensitive to high numbers).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 06:06 PM
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All that piece said was one group of women reported more sexual partners under the lie detector than one group of women who reported under some kind of anonymous conditions. It doesn't really prove "lying" because they asked like 30 girls only. And how big was the difference between the anonymous and fake lie detector?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 05:43 PM
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since people lie about it even to researchers while anonymous. I read this piece that GreasyPole posted and it didn't say this at all. It said that people are more likely to "lie" when their info is likely to be exposed.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 05:37 PM
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What is this supposed to be explaining? Those numbers are like within 1 or 2 partners versus the CDC NCHS links people post here (and these are probably anonymous too so they can be compared vs. anonymous numbers from that link you posted). It looks the information is accurate down to 1 or 2 partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 05:34 PM
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Basically.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 05:31 PM
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LOL that dude is such a silly incel.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 05:01 PM
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Or like exchanging sex for various things. I know a girl I used to work with who does that pretty regularly.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 04:52 PM
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"Interesting"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/19 08:25 PM
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There are some things most people of one gender will like. Men like women with thin waists for example. It creates that hourglass look. Men like round relatively big round butts (or just butts in general).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/19 06:40 PM
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You're still not explaining what was so funny which doesn't surprise me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/19 06:39 PM
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Some don't differ much at all. Money and good looks are appreciated anywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 06:21 PM
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I agree with the others as well. Value judgments are going to be a mix of objective and subjective.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 06:20 PM
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Your whole point is a mess because you bring up the idea of "confidence as a standalone thing vs. based on something else" selectively in point #2 and then ignore it when you "put everything together" here: Combining the 3 points above, my conclusion is that aside from some minute differences, in practice confidence and physical attractiveness are functionally the same thing. Fact of the matter is not everyone who is physically attractive is confident. There is NO evidence of that. Therefore, so…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 05:03 PM
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Even if you are right, it might be good advice for attractive people who due to a string of back luck somehow ended up with bad love lives. For them, working on confidence somehow would, according to your system, get them results.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 04:57 PM
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So basically we have no idea what actually happened, if it happened at all. I'd find a new "example" if I was in your shoes.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 04:52 PM
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Can't find it. Sounds like some BS with a lot of important details missing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 04:42 PM
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OK? Want to elaborate on what's so funny here? They live a life many people would definitely want.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 04:38 PM
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People use BP or TBP in all kinds of confusing ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 04:36 PM
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I was told by part of that crew that make up is cheating and manipulative. It's like dude go buy some damn cologne and hair gel.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 06:56 PM
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the blackedout incel and the truedemocracy guy? I always feel like I read the same person when I read their posts. 100% certified meatheads oblivious to their gross character.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 05:34 PM
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OH I see. From drunks one night stands or something more?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 05:19 PM
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You can call them what you want but most of them are college educated girls (some at fancy private schools) and many of them have boyfriends or husbands and a range of well paying jobs or lesser paying jobs but those they chose out of interest and passion. They live way better than the vast majority of people, so what do they have to be bitter about?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 05:11 PM
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Ok I don't know how you can tell if a girl is arrogant within a few moments of looking at her (you she was a rando) and not sure what "masculine" does in this situation, so feel free to elaborate. Even ignoring the questionable conclusion above saying "I'm joking" after a dumbass joke doesn't stop him from looking like a total dumbass. Where is this so called story from?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 04:48 PM
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If some 300lbs dude came up to me and said my breath stank (I'm obsessive about my oral hygiene) I'd say "uhh ok sorry" in a mocking tone and then ignore him because he'd just come off as a dumbass. I'm sure it works wonders on women who forget to brush their teeth. Patrice and them are a perfect match.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 06:56 AM
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To many red pillers this red vs blue thing is just an us vs. them fight.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 12:41 AM
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UMC white trash So UMC based on income, but trash in all other ways?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 12:31 AM
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I go to a decent amount of Sox and Pats games thanks to hubby and I think I've seen like one fight and it was pretty contained. I go to bars much more in the Cambridge and Boston and I don't think I've actually seen a fight in like 7 years. Maybe cops talking to someone once or twice but no wild punch throwing stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 12:26 AM
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I don't know much reddit history and about this quarantine thing and how it was caused but it must be somehow related to their mods and "ECs" coming here.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 10:10 PM
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I've never seen any evidence in my life that more physically attractive men are more likely to blow up relationships. It might actually be the opposite way, although it also depends on how attractive the girl is. Like if the girl is so so, and the guy is so so in looks, the guy is more likely to jump ship when a hotter option comes along. I've seen less of this with girls. Attractive couples have much less of that. People usually end up with SOME of the physical and internal traits they want in …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 07:26 PM
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We don't wear very high heels all the time. If a girl is doing that all the time that says something about her. In private we call them attention whores or sluts.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 07:17 PM
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If you can't relate to their home culture you're gonna have a much harder time connecting to her and earning her respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 06:08 AM
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A "career woman" or a woman with a career? The first one seems to be some comical thingy people here make fun of.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 05:56 AM
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Did you ever take a higher level statistics class or did you just drop out of school altogether? Serious question. The fact that you think most men will place women in a group in the same order or that they will "score" them with the same # of points 1-10 (or within a point even) just shows some serious deficiencies in your supposedly strong "man logic." And I mean serious. Do you even understand the difference between 1 opinion vs many opinions (consensus) and what an average rating (consensus)…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 11:54 PM
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I agree with you that women do give some preference to guys with higher "social value" but by "be the best option" I assume you mean HER best option right?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 05:21 PM
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I mean it makes attraction way more likely when you actually find each other interesting and have shared interests. Not sure what's the big discovery here? How long do you think a relationship will last or how enjoyable would it be if it does last if you have little in common? People who say they have little in common with their SO might not be in the happiest relationship and are totally oblivious to the fact that they could have had a significantly better relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 03:25 PM
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The only gym I have ever been to that was characterized by a miasma of odor was the one in the basement of a pretty run-down federal building that was frequented nearly entirely by young junior enlisted Marines. Either you have a wildly sensitive nose, your gym has extremely poor ventilation, or your gym compadres do not take very much care with their bathing and deodorant, for some reason. I don't know about my nose but no amount of ventilation is going to help with a gross smelling gorilla unl…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 03:00 PM
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Less hair reduces odor and that's a good thing there is really no downside to it. It must take like 3 minutes a month to trim it LOL I don't even know when he does it. Less odor after exercise means no need for extra showers. Another good thing is that you need to wash your clothing less (hubs doesn't launder his work shirts till he's used them several times unless they got food stains or they got super wrinkled). And about "miasma of odor" yeah actually I get assaulted by it at the gym and it's…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 06:12 AM
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No you are just making things up it's like literally your word vs. mine. Put up a bunch of cheerleaders or some other hottie group and guys will have rather little consensus. Obvious fat girls and such are obviously going to be on the bottom.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 03:58 AM
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There is nothing bizarre about more hair = more BO. It's crystal clear and obvious. Same on crotch hair. If I'm going to be busy down there with my tongue all over the place I want it clean. Or I'm not going there.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 03:57 AM
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No I mean nasty BO. Girls and guys have totally different hygiene standards but it sounds like you are happy and matched well.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 03:56 AM
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You sure? How do you know crackrockfella couldn't out do you with the ladies?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 03:55 AM
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Well I suppose you can always enjoy the extra BO from the armpits and crotch if you don't like guys who trim those parts. Trade offs. Someone said "looks matching" around here and now I can safely add "hygiene matching" to that list.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 12:41 AM
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Ha ha dude who are you kidding about "complete consensus" ? Go circlerjerk your red pilled buddies if you want, but most people aren't taking your word for anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 12:30 AM
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Not sure what "the pretty one" means exactly but I wouldn't date or sleep with a guy who didn't have at least impeccable hygiene. Impeccable. What each guy will need to do will probably be different to get there. From there his face should be clean (no acne, generally clean shaven) and skin taken care of (if that entails no effort or moisturizer I don't care) and bonus points if your hair looks great (well cut and basic hair styling products).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 12:28 AM
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I'm not attracted to "pretty" men, and vanity and primping in a man is a huge turnoff. Basic hygiene and fitness is important, but beyond that a man investing a lot of thought, time and effort into his appearance icks me out. What is "a lot" of thought, time and effort to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 12:24 AM
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I buy that if the girls are like 5' tall. I see shorter girls in heels way more often than taller girls. And I don't mean just my close friends. This is like easily observed.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 08:41 PM
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Yeah right dude I've seen guys discuss photos of women here and it's pretty clear that there is SOME but not much consensus. Literally two fit girls in question and guys are all "hur hur that's a 5 no that's an 8." Shit slinging ensues. And I bet you'll call the guys you disagree with retards automatically. No surprises there. I only agree that women will have somewhat less consensus but the men will have a large enough spread in opinions/ratings that will make using any single number to mean so…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 08:34 PM
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Right exactly that's like what most women AND men do. This approach "cold approach" thing is only necessary when your social circle sucks for casual sex for these guys (if they have a social circle at all) so they follow women around streets and pester them at bars.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 08:28 PM
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I just have to inquire about someone's life and general sanity when they are nothing like everyone I see around me ya know? 4 inch heels 24/7 is not normal. It's like highly narcissistic and weird. Attention whore stuff ya know?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 07:58 PM
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It's sad and mean but I think it's generally true!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 07:53 PM
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Ha ha ha I'm sure yall think you are amazing and the other guys are schmucks
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 07:52 PM
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It's the same scale yes (like 1, 3, 7, numbers) but they all clearly mean often very different things. Some guys are going to consider glam and make up and oogle over a slutty dress like horny teenagers and go "that's an 8" (seen this here repeatedly) while other guys will only consider a girl's natural beauty traits. You think most guys will agree with you on what is an 8? Yeah right dude. Most guys will probably give her a 5-9. That's like half of the scale already the only conclusion is that …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 07:50 PM
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OK but no other guy is going to use something quite like that so what a waste of breath that is.. silly boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 07:42 PM
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Yeah I thought it was code for something more meaningful but it's just BS. Oh well.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 07:40 PM
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OK so basically might as well just use an adjective LOL?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 07:33 PM
1

OK fine so give me some examples of how it's useful in "broad strokes and general terms."
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 07:31 PM
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I think they think that "niceness" will get them some cuddly kissing action and that will lead to sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 06:59 PM
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I mean what you just said looks like essentially a 180 where you're now saying that it's actually pretty useless? :/ It sounds like you don't actually think it's very useful or meaningful at all and more just childish ego stroking.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 06:56 PM
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I'm 27. My opinion might not have value as a standalone statement but there's reasons for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 06:56 PM
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I’m not even a big fan of the 1-10 rating system , I just accept it and use it bc other people do. Sometimes it makes sense to adopt a common shorthand for communications sake even if it has some flaws Tell me about how you're going to use it to communicate. I'm learning this new man speak since I started following the stuff people post here.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 06:44 PM
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We are or were part of the "dating market" as they call it here. In fact that opinion is shared by most women I know who didn't have to resort to online dating (well, hook up app) themselves in my experience, and to avoid looking like hypocrites when they DO have to resort to online apps they suddenly change their public position on it...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 06:40 PM
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Sometimes a general guideline isn't good enough. What value did that dude bring with these silly numbers in his comment if no one (I bet) will even agree on what is a 6 or 8? He could have just said "you can get more attractive women in real life" but instead he went on some fake number trip. Just makes him look juve.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 06:37 PM
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To my female eyes there is literally one group of attractive girls there and one of unattractive ones. The split is at the 5 line. The overconfidence of men here to speak on behalf of other men is quite funny. What I understand now is that you think you're actually accurately stating an agreed or consensus "rating" for any girl you see when really you're just taking a guess. I would be OK with stating a personal opinion but to think you can speak for others with any accuracy about something part…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 06:33 PM
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What is that? If one random guy made that it's literally just his opinion. So those numbers the guys here post are just their opinion of a girl? Like why should anyone care about his opinion of any girls? Like just to see how satisfied he is with himself and getting what he thinks is "good" ?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 06:26 PM
1

Height and size are hardly the same thing at all, you know? I'd feel small next to a 5'4 square Hulk dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 06:24 PM
1

Me and all of my girlies agree that Tinder is basically almost all trash, both men and women. Easy peasy sleazy entertainment at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 06:19 PM
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I mean how do you know if you are pulling 5s or 8s? How does this male mental number thingy work exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 06:06 PM
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Maybe because these are 4'9 Indonesian women?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 06:04 PM
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Am I like supposed to remember who said the first word to my high school BFs and husband who I met in sophomore year of college? Mr Poster person have you ever been to a party or similar social event?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 05:18 PM
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Seems about right to me why? Average girl is like 5'4 in the USA.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 04:39 PM
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In my circle of girl friends height was used a couple times as the consolation prize for justifying dating a guy. It was kinda sad to be honest, but I could tell my friend was getting desperate to be in a relationship. I'm still surprised by how obsessed some people are over one trait like boob size or height. Probably some tiny minority of people. I think most people are all about the looking at the whole package.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 04:38 PM
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There's definitely girls that do what you're describing but I wouldn't call it a "shit ton" but you do YOU! :)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 04:36 PM
2

So you prance around like this? https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/fashion-girl-short-skirt-high-heels-young-pretty-woman-mini-black-dress-isolated-white-63483427.jpg Are you in the entertainment or hospitality industry?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 04:06 PM
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I meet people in the Boston/Cambridge area from all kinds of corporate professions and never ever see women regularly trotting around in 4" heels that's like what girls wear to the clubs around here. It's pretty rare. Smaller heels sure. Maybe you confused cms with inches?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 03:49 PM
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I don't know anything about "approaching" but women do initiate conversations with men they find attractive when it is convenient and "acceptable" for them to do so. It just happens more naturally and isn't some forced weird PUA thing where the dude goes out with the sole intention of hitting on girls which is just bound to reek of desperation.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 03:15 PM
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You literally wear at least a 3" heel daily and are 5'6? That's the only way you're going to be noticeably taller than a 5'7 guy who;s going to hear shoes, too, which comes with up to 2" in soles. I mean I could buy that if you were like 5'0 - 5'2 like some of my friends who wear heels more regularly, but a 5'6 girl wearing 3"+ heels daily isn't something I see but OK.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 02:56 PM
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I mean looks is part of height so I'll just assume you mean face by handsome? In that case the handsome guy. I'm 5'5.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 01:25 PM
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I honestly don't know anything about people other than standard males and females.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 06:55 AM
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It was more of a jab but OK you don't have to like it, telling me you don't is supposed to make me care or accomplish something?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 06:49 AM
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Good luck discussing sports or guy video games with girls. Seriously, we don't care. I'm from the Boston area and most of my friends didn't even watch the Superbowl today and the Pats were playing...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 06:37 AM
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It was actually meant to be a light jab and joke but some people got really whiny over it and I wanted to see how far they would take it
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 06:36 AM
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OK it just sounds like you took a crapshoot approach to dating and didn't really try to get a read on the guy before you spent the time to go out and got a bunch of inconsiderate/weird dudes who took the courtesy of you replying with "I'm not feeling it" the wrong way. Got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 07:43 PM
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Yeah but why did you even bother going out with them!? Those same guys aren't going to change in their late 20s or 30s FYI.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 07:34 PM
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Sounds like you picked inconsiderate losers or something I don't know what to tell you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 07:29 PM
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I mean all you need to do is just be straight that you don't want to hang out again. One simple message. After that there is no more "courtesy" you need to give the dude. No coaching or anything. And yeah I bet the guy's level of interest make a difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 07:16 PM
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So actual RP "theory" really has no reason to be respected. It really is mostly whining and crapping on women as far as I can tell. Or offering Captain Obvious advice that isn't RP original.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 07:08 PM
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It never played out weirdly for me when I would tell guys I don't want to hang out again back in the day it must just be you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 07:05 PM
1

Those biological differences weren't something that actual biologists came up with?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 06:53 PM
1

"suffer the consequences for being a deviant" lmao WHAT If it's not obvious LOL that means that people will treat you how you treat them or others around them. well yes, i do. when i was single i was going on like a new first date every week or two. for years. if you think every one of those guys somehow impacted me enough after just one meeting to suddenly be worth contacting again if i wasn't feeling it then thats delusion. i literally do not have the time or emotional energy for that Ha ha ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 06:51 PM
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If you have some weird niche low attachment idea of "dating" where you meet randoms all the time you might be right. Not to mention everyone owes others basic common courtesy, including strangers, and it's common courtesy to reply to people's messages or answer them when they say something to you. And if you choose to be some bizzarro deviant you'll suffer the consequences and no one will feel sorry for you even if you think it won't matter. That mindset is gonna spill over into all kinds of thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 06:40 PM
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I'm kinda surprised you or anyone at all outside of RP affiliated groups would respect RP "theory" that RP can actually claim is "originally from RP." (Advising to exercise isn't really RP, for example). Your last sentence to me accurately describes 99% of what goes on in this so called Manosphere.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 06:35 PM
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If you went on a date they are not a stranger. Words means things.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 06:34 PM
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Sounds like you're really upset over something I said to you so now you're just stretching the meaning of this forum's idea of "civility." You stooping lower doesn't really bother me and you can keep that comment unapproved. It's all good.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 06:03 PM
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She's trying some stupid "gotcha" on them claiming they are not "red pilled" because that would mean believing AWALT and AMALT. Nothing about being "red pilled" has to do with AMALT or judging men. It's all about judging women as far as I can tell so all they really need to do to be "red pilled" is believe in AWALT (along with other RP things).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 06:01 PM
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So she has the class appropriate husband, so what? Lots of those women sleep with drug dealers and other low class morons in terms of male status. What you're going to end up with are guys with no college degree who worked their way up to foreman in a construction company with a woman who has an MBA from NYU and is doing real estate financial analysis for Target. Not an unheard of type of an arrangement. Both pretty rare, the first one especially. Straight up, a guy who works construction and ta…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 04:51 PM
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I don't know what to tell ya but I'm not here to be all girlyfriendlike with the local posse. Looking at the inner psyche of all the fuckboys I somehow managed to avoid in college is what brings me here :)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 04:47 PM
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Clearly jealous I mean you even brought this up after so long LOL. I am not related to any weird pill non sense and my point stands. Your gotcha attempt was lame and I don't even like the RP group in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 04:41 PM
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You clearly don't like it very much. You can call my point of view anything you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 04:34 PM
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Geez, you're really upset that your stupid gotcha didn't work that you have to take some super lame cheap shot at my husband, eh? Jealous much? I mean Red Pill anything puts a bad taste in my mouth but your gotcha was so stupid. It's not hypocritical, look up the meaning of that word please. It may be something of a double standard, but the question is whether it is justified or not (they think it is). I don't make any position here. It is idiotic, it can be your pet peeve, you can beat your hea…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 04:32 PM
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It all goes together. Yes, UMC goes from like let's say individual income $90K/year to 350K. People who make that kind of money usually went to fairly competitive colleges. Most come from MC or UMC families. They have certain standards, values, beliefs, etc. I guess this is all "mindset" ? So I'm not sure what the confusion is? Some 24 year old waiter with no degree, even if he improves his social skills, is going to be rather unimpressive (in many many ways) to girls who are microbiologists and…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 04:27 PM
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I mean I can take a guess, but how does that negate them being "red pilled" ?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 04:22 PM
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Right. It's about the opposite sex, not about same sex. Hence, them not believing in AMALT does not contradict them being "red pilled."
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 04:14 PM
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You can keep twisting this around but it's pretty clear that RP (from the TRP forum to their blogs and what not) is all (like 99.9999%) owned by men and their top priority is judging the holy crap out of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 04:10 PM
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But is IS owned by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 04:07 PM
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Well they will make 100-150K per year at some point. Making just 80-90K per year is like top 10-15% for personal income so that's pretty upper middle class especially if you have a bachelor's or master's degree. How could it not be? Makes upper middle class tiny otherwise. Sorry dude but I went to BC and I know like ONE girl who dated a WC guy and they didn't last long.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 04:07 PM
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You don't dictate what Red Pill is. Unless you are blind you can tell they are busy judging women, not men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 03:59 PM
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Being "red pilled on men" is not a thing. That's what you clearly don't get. Ask yourself that question you asked me, by the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 03:57 PM
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Yeah so I was saying that this dude isn't going to be snagging girls from NYU or BU who are studying medicine or business.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 03:50 PM
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Yeah you did miss the memo. Go read it! "I like cooking I do it once a week." Funny stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 03:49 PM
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Baybeegirl it's Netfleex and Cheel. Youz be luky to get even a bottle o water. But you can have as much sausage as you like!!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 03:44 PM
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I was talking more upper middle class, but OK. Or are people who go to a place like Boston University or NYU and then a Fortune 500 company "elite" ?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 03:38 PM
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Oh please the aquarium and cooking are not even remotely comparable.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 03:37 PM
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"I enjoy cooking but only want to do it once a week" .. :| What an insult. You barely like cooking :|
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 03:28 PM
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Both me and the hubby love good food and cooking. He definitely considers nutrition and calories since he's super fit and I do the same to stay lean. Weekends we usually let loose a bit. My mother is into cooking and his father is into cooking and wine and it has definitely rubbed off on me and him.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 03:26 PM
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I mean if both people do not reach out that's OK I guess (they both "ghosted" each other basically) but I think most people would assume "ghosting" = not responding when someone DOES reach out after a first date? Not responding is straight up shit manners.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 03:16 PM
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While I agree with that, that is not what they believe and not believing in AMALT does not contradict them being "red pilled."
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 03:14 PM
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I agree on the "better thinker" part, but some knowledge really is pretty useless (for the purpose of having noticeable impact on your life like higher income). I like optimism, but you're being way too rosy eyed optimistic on that one. Your knowledge of how to play some video game or your knowledge of Football strategies isn't going to help you snag a great job or promotion.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 03:12 PM
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Yeah sounds about right.. basically what I said in different words..
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 03:09 PM
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Care to elaborate?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 03:07 PM
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In that specific case you are right, but here we were talking about their general AWALT vs. all men being rapy rapists. They clearly think that all kind of negative behaviors are likely to be common in women, but ignore those of men, for obvious reasons. Not saying they are right, but rather pointing out how they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 03:07 PM
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Yeah they can talk about it to one another most girls don't care for that borderline loony bin stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 03:05 PM
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That's because they believe that women are "all like that" and yet men are not all the same. How does that contradict them being "Red Pilled" ??
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 07:10 AM
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I said short players, not average. They exist and data I saw posted here showed that only guys below 5'5 actually report like 1 less partner on average. So it's all about the face and money/status I see? Nothing to do with their other physically attractive traits, nothing to do with their character?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 06:08 AM
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Yeah I agree that knowledge gives you perspective, but knowledge that no one gives a crap about or can't make you money isn't going to help you in life. That's just how it is. At the same time, confidence and passion that women cannot relate to (and that does not help you relate to women) is not worth very much for attracting women to you. Being fit is a good way to get more out of your looks so I can't argue there... But "well read" is again wildcard that only means something when it helps you …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 06:05 AM
1

Can you elaborate on that in detail please?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 05:39 AM
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As a standalone topic ("why do certain things?") I agree with most of that, although some of those have a bit of a double edged sword involved (such as you ultimately study things to help yourself, but really you're helping someone else who will pay you so you can help yourself). There's only so much one can do "just for yourself" without starting to sound like you're really self obsessed and self centered. The real question, however, is will that make you attractive to us ladies? That's still t…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 10:18 PM
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You're right that it's better but it still sends the wrong message and can mislead.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 10:13 PM
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I don't know who is convinced they are going to lose either way, but I thought the goal for some (most??) of these guys was getting a girlfriend (which comes with a lot of sex by the way.. if she really likes you) and that means becoming attractive to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 09:47 PM
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I've given this some thought.. and well, I hate to break it to all of the people here, but all this: Living the life of a well-rounded person so that when you meet people that share in those same goals and interests will likely do is take you from "ewww unattractive - NO thanks" to "not my type - NO thanks." Neither one gets a girlfriend. In other words you can be "confidently unattractive" and what good is that? Confidence on its own little bubble is not really "attractive." If all of the thing…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 09:33 PM
1

So how do you explain short players who sleep with lots of women?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 08:47 PM
1

This is supposed to do what? Make you attractive? Get a guy a girlfriend?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 08:21 PM
1

So what is a guy supposed to focus on?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 07:51 PM
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Because you're not the guy I responded to when I thought you were at first.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 06:36 PM
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No he is talking about the feeling. Condom just sucks he says.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 06:10 PM
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Why are you responding to me?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 06:08 PM
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My husband says he'd rather jack off than use a condom.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 05:55 PM
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https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e5/96/ee/e596eecb1ecae8120ba4bd338d013416--outfits-for-girls-cute-summer-outfits.jpg How about this girl (blonde) ?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 05:53 PM
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It's sad, so sad It's a sad, sad situationnnnn
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 05:50 PM
1

Care to post a non famous person pic of someone you find attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 05:47 PM
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Girls Are these girls relationship good or fuckable?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 05:45 PM
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Lots of fit young people in the Boston area (esp. in the city zone and Cambridge). I can see how guys would say 1/5 here is attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 05:42 PM
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I'd rather my husband watch porn than physically (and emotionally-in-person) cheat on me.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 05:28 PM
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LOL ok I don't know about that show but I thought about what you said and realized that some people use it differently (didn't realize it before!)
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 05:13 PM
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Eh?? It seems to depend on if the person says "best friend" or "best friendS"
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 05:09 PM
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I mean honestly he might get some girl lower middle class community college type, but he's never going to get with the private school fancy Fortune 500 crowd, even if he is actually pretty good looking (although not my type ... I'm into more white dudes no darker than Italian or Mediterranean types).
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 04:27 PM
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Yeah but I'd say you were probably in a "normal" and "big" bubble along with everyone else, at least on the subject of attraction. These guys? Not so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 04:09 PM
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This obsession with "sexual" whatever is unbelievable here. Christ I wish I could observe some of these people in real life. I'd pay for that I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 04:03 PM
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Right because real life is a cliche movie...
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 03:54 PM
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OK so you knew a handful of dudes that had sex with a handful of women. Let me tell you, not a single athlete I knew had anything in terms of partner count on the biggest players I knew. Don't project your casual sex perversion on all other men, athletes or not. And move on from HS/college for Christ's sake. I don't think you can be helped but oh well I tried a little bit..
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 03:48 PM
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They just have girlfriends, dude. Mostly monogamous relationships that last at least a few years. Source: went to BC and knew some athletes. Not different from what most other men who can get a girlfriend end up getting. And to my girly eyes, some of these girls were really nothing special even in the looks department.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 03:39 PM
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Change what beliefs? You think that 50 or 500 exceptions out of 200 million is a strong argument for a general rule?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 03:35 PM
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Apparently now stating facts is "forcing opinions." Now who's actually trying to shame? The rest of your "upper hand comment" I have no clue about as I can't figure out who's point of view or advantage your are referring to given that you. If you mean that some girls are too dumb for their own good... or actually desire banging random dudes... then you are right. Avoiding social circle game is, however, really stupid advice to people who actually want to maximize their chances of anything includ…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 06:48 AM
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Never heard the "shaming" buzzword defense before I stumbled on this forum. You can call it what you want, but what I said is a statement of fact, a humiliating one (to some people, you clearly included), that needs little elaboration because it's largely self explanatory. Let me know if you need it explained to you, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 06:40 AM
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You don't even realize you are confusing guys with "low opinions of women" with guys who "disapprove of certain behaviors or specific women."
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 06:33 AM
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Social circle game is exactly how women avoid retards. Some well hidden irony in there. He he he.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 06:30 AM
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So you want to be him? https://www.belomediagroup.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Hot-List.jpg but are actually https://i.ytimg.com/vi/FTxoY-exk0w/hqdefault.jpg ????
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 06:12 AM
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Yup. All girls never leave college. And if they do, they are ALL with the professional athletes. Perfect comment for the OP that actually specified that he's "post uni." Totally accurate and not delusional or anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 05:59 AM
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What is a strong white man? What makes the cut for you? A 250lb dude with a square mug and bald head that looks like he grunts loud enough for the entire gym to hear when he does his weightlifting routine?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 05:20 AM
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Please be serious you probably couldn't even name off the top of your head 50 people like that who are "low income, high status" who are famous (this was your original argument, but now you weirdly did a 180 and are talking about their income/riches). Having a hard time making up your mind? And even if you found 500 people like that (high status, low income) , there are 200+ million grown ups in the US. 500 exceptions are not evidence of any rule. Sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 04:47 AM
1

Device to use? What?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 04:46 AM
2

Why would you prefer to date a woman who can't control her desires to some degree or stop herself from acting on some desires in certain ways?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 12:51 AM
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keep dating organic What does this cliche BS even mean LOL. "Organic vegetables are the best give me your $$$$$$$"
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 12:41 AM
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I'd pity them but most don't deserve the pity frankly.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 12:20 AM
2

Do I get some kind of prize at least?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 12:19 AM
1

an attractive guy. Hmmm
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 12:14 AM
2

Uh no it leads to follow up meetings where sex then becomes more and more likely as people get to know each other. At least in my experience and that of my girl friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 12:13 AM
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Yeah this is literally what me and pretty much all of my friends did in college. Drinking, making out (kissing and touching) but pretty much no one had sex with the randos they met at the college parties. Naughty drunk boys needed to be vetted. Sex happened after follow up "dates" (aka hanging out) if the chemistry didn't fizzle once the alcohol wore off...
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 12:11 AM
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Exactly. Celebrities. Literally a tiny handful of examples which do not disprove the general rule. I can't understand why people get so desperate here to bring up celebrities as "examples" of anything...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 11:45 PM
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Yeah, really. As I explained to the other guy. This is the rule and a handful of exceptions don't invalidate it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 11:37 PM
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When your friends or losers aren't stroking your ego doctors and hedge fund guys also have not only more status but also more $$$ than soldiers, car salesmen and sanitation workers. Seeing a trend here?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 11:15 PM
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Actually I think it's a better way to assessing her overall desire for you, not just sexual desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 06:29 PM
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Mmm yeah with some butter :)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 06:27 PM
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Yeah I agree. You gotta be pretty loose to have sex with the guy after ONE good date (assuming that's the only time you went out with him and possibly the second time you ever talked to him). 2-3 dates (possibly extended ones) and knowing each other for 2-4 weeks? Way more reasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 06:22 PM
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Sure you can, just not with perfect accuracy. If "liars" lie more regularly than a non-liar (or someone who lies very little) then the liar will come out to be a liar with time. So really it comes down to the question is "is 2-3 months" enough to expose the usual liar? I'd say it's far better than 1-2 weeks.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 06:19 PM
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I'm sure there's lots of casual sex going on when your friends are substance using easy going hipsters. Lots of fluid exchange, all completely accidental.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 06:13 PM
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Much of this is context dependent and a "who you" ask type deal. My brother works in finance (investment banking before and now in portfolio management) and successful hedge fund managers make multiple times what the most successful doctor would make based on what I see and hear from him. These hedge fund managers would think nothing of a doctor. Some random person on the street though would think that a doctor is more high status since he doesn't understand what a hedge fund is or the money the…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 06:08 PM
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That's a tricky strategy to employ if you are not in the same social circle. With online dating in particular! How soon before he assumes you're just not into him and leaves... even if you think he's really great? If you study or work together... yes, that's a great way to go.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 04:18 PM
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Money and social status usually go hand in hand so it's kinda moot to list them both ya know?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 02:47 PM
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Nice can be unattractive and attractive it's highly situational. Your comment is way too black and white for how the world works. Nice is really only unattractive when it means that the girl in question and guy in question get taken advantage of or don't get their way somehow.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 06:33 AM
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it's also the fact that nice guys are honest and have integrity and that's NOT attractive to young women. They are not trendy or risky which is popular and appealing to a young girl. So they are boring. It really depends on the girl. Sure I wanted a fun dude back in high school but "super fun douchebag" lost big time to "moderately fun honest dude." Some stupid hos don't know what's good for them .. who cares about them? Their frustration should really stem from them never figuring out how to no…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 06:30 AM
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Even for households 120K income is above median even in a place like Irvine. But sure for HOUSEHOLDS that's a more reasonable assertion. For individual incomes it's upper middle class, assuming you distinguish that from middle class.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 05:50 AM
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And I'd be right if that was individual incomes AND the fact that you always have to consider the whole country. 120K individual income is not middle class in NYC or SF or Boston or Chicago. What are you even arguing here? That person hasn't even confirmed that they were talking about household incomes. I'm betting they meant individual incomes and I stand by my statement in that case 100% (it's pretty clear you are thinking about individuals as well) Let's edit my post for individuals: For an I…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 05:28 AM
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Well sure that's why I gave a range of incomes too that I think would encompass most of the country (it's really mostly a difference of housing expenses). At the same time, it's hard to argue that too many "nationwide UMC" people will be in Georgia vs Boston. Who goes to a fancy private university and then moves to Georgia? The household vs. individual income question is a big one.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 05:22 AM
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That's the big question: are we talking about individual incomes of 120K or household/family? I never got a reply from that other person. 120K household/family I can buy as middle class. 120K individual income is upper middle class. This is a minority income even in NYC or SF contrary to what most people think. I also assume that most people here discuss individual incomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 05:12 AM
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Yeah you've gone completely bonkers. Are you under the influence of something?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 05:03 AM
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For a COUPLE Some college or Bachelor's from local state or community college Crappy office jobs or labor intensive jobs paying 40-80K per person Used car worth no more than 5000$ Total living space payment no more than $1200-2000/month depending on locale (rent first, buy with small down payment later) Basic food and alcohol (Bud Light and cheap wine, basic hard liquor, basic grocery stores) Lots of social media and watching sports Dining out at places like Ruby Tuesday or cheap local joints Tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 05:00 AM
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Well I just saw that link and the people who wrote the textbooks about that stuff in the wiki link have PhDs so I guess you lose there buddy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 04:33 AM
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My husband told me one of his older coworkers who owns mid-tier apartments that he rents out constantly shits on the type of people who are on government assistance (and avoids renting to them like the plague).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 04:26 AM
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Look at the link poppy_blu posted. Where did you get the idea that anything you just said makes any sense? You didn't even differentiate between family/household income and individual incomes which is like like a big difference..
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 04:23 AM
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NYC and Boston aren't exactly cheaper than SF. There is no such thing as "local middle class" the people who study this stuff talk about the entire nation.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 04:22 AM
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There is no Western / 1st world country or even city where "middle class" is 120K/year in US Dollars. I honestly can't wait to hear your explanation of how 120K US Dollars is "middle class" somewhere. Not for household/family incomes, definitely not individual incomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 01:01 AM
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Since these relationships take both men and women, you seem to fail to grasp that the statistics of said relationships can draw conclusions on the preferences of both. In the end, if increasing female power in education and income increased the viability of pairings, the total number of pairings would increase. Since the observed trend has decreased, we can ascertain that it either has no effect or a negative effect on pairing viability. At the population level we don't know what is going on. As…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 07:39 PM
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So for the 3rd or 4th time, I'll say: You have done a great job showing that women seem to "prefer" for LTRs/marriage. Womens' POV. Not the same as what I'm talking about. I'm talking strictly about what men seem to prefer. Mens' POV. I showed this here: https://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2013/04/college-graduates-marry-other-college-graduates-most-of-the-time/274654/ 2011 data. Average age about 32. Men marry up more in education. Want to tell me this is all due to the fact that there ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 06:53 PM
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My assertion is that college education is not a requirement for LTR. College education for women is huge plus for LTRing men with college education, who as you well know are higher income earners and therefore more desirable to women. Ironically perhaps that's part of your tangential point you've been making which has nothing to do with your original statement... Your original point literally said two things "guys like hot girls" and "fat women are not liked even if they are educated." The educa…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 06:17 PM
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OK and what does any of this have to do with the fact that "hot thin blondes without college education" are not likely to get anything more than casual sex from college educated, fit men? You're confusing women not wanting men for not being educated enough vs. women not being educated enough to have LTRs with college educated men. I'm talking about the latter. Totally different from the former.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 05:35 PM
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How come a financially stable guy always makes more than the woman? I said most women have a man who makes more-so in their eyes is richer. Women take lesser paying jobs which appeal more to them. Would those millionaire women date a guy who makes 30k a year? He's financially stable. What is financially stable anyway? Not being homeless? Strawman. Richness is the same as attractiveness. A man who doesnt have much money will find attractive much uglier women than a billionaire would. Total BS. Se…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 04:58 PM
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All that says is that since there are somewhat more college educated women than men in more recent times, some women will be screwed over. Nothing more. Basically, college educated men "win." And most women with college educations will get college educated men. A few losers will be left. "Higher" status is a dubious point as I think equal status suffices for satisfaction. More on this later. This is really tangentially related at best to your original simplistic statements about attraction which…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 04:57 PM
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You need to figure out what these words mean, and clarify as much as possible. "Rich" and "of means" is one thing and "financially stable" is another and the latter is what most women are perfectly fine with so long as other criteria of attraction are met. Every girl wants a handsome millionaire and guys want their supermodel chefmaids LOL. You can prefer what you want but most women I know are perfectly fine with "financially stable."
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 04:40 PM
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That's such a lie. Most women get a partner that makes more than them. Smething like 80% of women. And look at this study. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOMkcJy-i4Q 85% of millionaire women wanted a man who made as much or more than them while only 15% of millionaire men wanted a woman who made more or the same as them. Women always want rich men even when they are rich themselves. Like I said, studies show that most women including rich women go after richer men than themselves. That's why fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 04:29 PM
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You're dancing around with your argument and I'm not going to bite on all of the distractions. You are asking questions which are way too simplistic for the topic at hand. My original point is here: "education and career" are not sufficient to build sexual attraction for casual sex but are necessary to "build attraction" for LTRs. Important note: physical attraction is a requirement for both genders to get into an LTR as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 04:27 PM
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Yup, with a fat dude. What country are you from, dude? In the USA most people dating are "fat on fat."
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 04:14 PM
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Like I said, there are plenty of pretty girls out there, most of them dont get to marry a rich man. She obviously has an edge over them. Whatever she used, the results speak for themselves. That's because most of those women do not prioritize marrying a "rich" man. "Financially stable" (can afford to pay monthly bills) is what most women look for. Prettier girls than her get broke men and loser baby daddies. She is smart of playing her cards right and using her prime rightfully instead on wastin…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 04:13 PM
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A hot, skinny, hb10 blonde will attract most men with or without a college degree. "Attracting" for what (LTR vs. casual sex) that's a really big question here. This girl will not be able to get a LTR from an competitively college (or higher) educated, physically attractive dude. Casual sex only, and I don't see this dude making much effort. She could get an LTR from some working class dude. So your point is moot because it's lacking distinction between the above cases and the desire of all part…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 04:09 PM
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Through her smarts she got him She's VERY bright, she knew to use what she has to her advantage. Actually I'd say she was just smart enough to realize she could use her VAGINA to get him. :) That doesn't make her smart by a long shot.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 04:02 PM
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I'm afraid that's not the point. The point is that certain actions (in this case leaving the high paying industry) brings the pay cap faster. This is the important part.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 03:59 PM
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Most of those guys don't mix in circles where college educated women are working in actual careers, so naturally they've never seen what work-life balance for someone like that is (nor would they just meet women like that in general). I would imagine most of these women might even out earn those men, which would be a big ego hit for them. This means those men are stuck either taking the ego hit OR dating someone who may well end up receiving alimony upon divorce. Rock and hard place.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 03:56 PM
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I don't plan on changing jobs hopefully ever, I am just saying most people will make more changing jobs gaining key experience and as jax said leveraging their salary because guess what even if you are at a top firm, if you are good enough you can sell yourself to someone else who needs you more. Good luck beating a super competitive paycheck that top firms pay. You can go to a similar paying job at best when you leave a high paying industry. You also cap your pay ceiling significantly, at least…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 05:11 AM
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Where did you get the idea that I don't work? Like seriously LOL. I've worked in a business role at a biotech firm for half a decade.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 05:09 AM
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