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DiscussionLoudPiece6914/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 04:04 AM
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That’s true, a lot of less attractive women are much better people than hot ones. And single moms tend to grow and become good people once reality slaps them in the face and shows them they have responsibilities and can’t just be annoying and difficult. If you are just looking for sex most guys will just consider looks but I don’t think most women online consider men have different standards for women they just want to sleep with vs women they want a relationship with.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 03:50 PM
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Someone on another post in this sub said it best guys frustration stems from, asking “what are the rules?” and not getting a clear answer. While I agree with some of your points, your overall argument is flawed. It’s simple guys want sex. Priority 1 is always get sex that a wait is off their shoulders and they can think about other things. Women are not attracted to bad behavior. However, they will sleep with an attractive degenerate over the normal decent guy they encounter every day. A lot of …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 01:51 PM
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There’s a difference between women in general being attracted to ambitious men and women putting that in their dating profile. I agree if a woman puts that in her dating profile, she is most likely a gold digger pretending she is not a SW. However, to your headline, I would say women are attracted to ambitious men and gold diggers sleep with ambitious men, despite their lack of attraction. A good woman who actually likes you is attracted to you showing excellence in anything, and while with rare…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 12:24 PM
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Capitalism is a large part of the problem. I personally don’t think kids under 16 should be given smart phones. And we should have more of an emphasis/opportunity on students interacting collectively to build the interpersonal skills and understand that all people are different. At least in Western culture girls like charismatic guys so learning that is helpful. On the other hand interacting with and learning that just cause the guy is not charismatic doesn’t mean he’s weird and hopefully help t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 12:19 PM
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It’s cope, obviously a good woman is better. But if in your life, you interact with annoying difficult ones, women who just want to be your friend, or are unable to understand women because they don’t like you enough to not be complicated. A realistic sex doll would be much better for you. Still a lot of men would put up with an annoying difficult woman because she can have kids. And then escape to a realistic sex doll especially if they make it look really hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 11:59 AM
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That’s a great example! I think it’s harder for people to look at generalizations that for any other group would be unacceptable when it comes to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 12:31 PM
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It’s because on a policy level, you can’t treat all men like they’re guilty but on a personal level, they want to protect the women who they are close to. When you generalize about men and the risk of men, you in practice are making men who are completely fine pay for the actions of jerks. It’s much easier for guys to see another guy’s intentions because we know how guys brains work, if you bring a good guy to your brother he will think this is awesome, I don’t need to worry about her.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 12:25 PM
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I am literally asking questions so that I can understand your perspective and have a conversation. You’re not engaging with any of the points because you have no point and don’t want to admit that you’re wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 12:11 PM
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It’s not healthy to be that scared of half the population when the vast majority of them mean you no harm they’re just going about their lives. Why are you so scared of men? Men are just people. It’s true that it is a lot easier for men to tell if another man is bad or not. So I do believe you in saying that they seem the same to you however for men it’s very easy to tell the difference and that’s not on you. You probably would be helped by making friends with a gay guy so you can understand men…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 01:34 AM
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You also can get struck by lightning, but that’s not likely. Are you gonna live your life in fear of being struck by lightning all the time? We’re talking about whether a majority of men are bad or not. Sure, if we look at one individual man who seems decent. There’s a chance that he is hiding who he is. But when you zoom out and look at, to make it easy, 100 men who seemed decent and normal for sure 90 of them are actually decent and normal. Very likely 98 of them are decent and normal. But the…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 03:17 AM
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I interact with men in a lot of different contexts. And most are fine. The few who aren’t are terrible all the time to many different people. A lot of guy who are not a problem just mind their own business so you probably don’t even notice them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 05:30 PM
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But it is a minority of bad men. To put more clearly it is one man having 100 bad interactions with 100 different women. Not 100 men having one bad interaction with 100 different women.This doesn’t minimize that those hundred women are having bad interactions with a man. But women shouldn’t blame all men for one terrible guy who repeatedly harasses women. There also is the problem that the “good ones”, the ones who check every box get taken early so at some point, you have to compromise on what …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 11:54 AM
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We should separate sugar babies from the other categories of SW’s. Sugar babies because they’re just using men and they are SW’s that pretend not to B SW’s. If they are in a straightforward transactional relationship, fine that’s their business but often times they will want to treat the “relationship” like a relationship when it benefits them, and transactional when it benefits them. I think the bad feelings to sugar babies is warranted unlike the other categories. While don’t think it’s a good…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 11:32 PM
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I think you have the wrong interpretation of high maintenance. High maintenance that guys hate is annoying, difficult, overly demanding, and entitled. Low maintenance is kind, caring, considerate, collaborative, and easy to deal with. You can be hot, successful, and low maintenance. Being high maintenance doesn’t make you higher quality or more attractive. However, most women who can be high maintenance are more attractive because if you’re not an attractive and you’re high maintenance no man is…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 02:29 AM
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But we don’t want a relationship with that type of woman. This is like bragging to a sober person they can’t afford a wine cellar.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 08:24 PM
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Because it’s a waste of money and they rarely show appreciation to guys who fund their lifestyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 08:14 PM
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Because men want to have sex with those women, they don’t want to have a relationship with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 08:11 PM
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The only one that I think qualifies as an “ick” is CNC. In real life average guys hate if women want to give mixed signals and expect the guy to perfectly thread the needle of her desires. And it’s extremely problematic when they want you to understand the difference between them saying no and wanting you to push harder and them saying no and meaning it. That one has to stop. If you say no to a guy you like and he walks away that is 100% on the woman and other women should call you out for that.…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 01:22 PM
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You have to separate assault from the rest of these things. Calling out other men for dismissing or belittling assault is just being a man. But men and women are not the same. Some double standards make sense and groups and spaces that can have those conversations are much healthier than spaces that pretend like men and women are exactly the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 06:06 AM
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Yes, that’s why red pill discourages platonic friendships with women. Most guys fall into the dynamic of having all the responsibilities of a relationship with none of the benefits on the guys end. Granted it’s easier to have a healthy dynamic more easily if you already have that girlfriend slot filled, the guy gets a lot of casual sex, or if the guy doesn’t find the girl physically attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 05:49 AM
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They can just be direct with people they want to sleep with. We’re all guys doesn’t matter if you’re gay or straight.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 12:52 AM
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It’s super easy to say what they want. It’s either just sex or companionship with sex included. Then on the second order, it varies, but not being exploited, being able to enjoy life, being able to relax be appreciated, feeling like you have a purpose and value are all important but it varies from guy to guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 01:21 AM
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You are right, western individualist culture is a large part of the problem. However, shifting the culture is much harder and has to be done gradually. Even though I do agree, Western culture is largely the problem. Within these cultural confines of Western culture, slut shaming does make sense for women and men who are not being included in the sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 10:29 AM
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We overlook the larger context that capitalism ruined things for young people in general, but within the context of dating, it’s much worse for men. The red pill offers an answer. But until the blue pill can come up with something that ends in and this is how you get pussy young men are not going to be satisfied with that world view.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 11:35 AM
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And why do you think men who can’t meet the fitness standards of an organization that potentially will send them to die will no longer accept them or put them in a less dangerous role? Or why do you think men who can’t meet those fitness standards will be upset that the men that women want to sleep with are being drafted and killed? Seems like if you want reality to lower women’s standards this is a win.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 06:28 AM
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Because looks is only one aspect of a match. And a lot of times attraction can build. I think it’s really damaging to think of it as settling if you can’t find someone who checks every single box you want. That’s completely unrealistic and honestly validates black pillars beliefs. The point being, before online dating either you would have more opportunities to be around women and show your attractive qualities or you would have mutual connections who could vouch for you. Now, with the prevalenc…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 10:09 AM
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This idea of settling is harmful. The reality is there are a lot of good men out there who would be great matches if you gave them a chance. And not everyone can have instant chemistry, nor is it the best idea to be in a relationship with the instant chemistry person all the time. Sometimes it’s better for a more long, lasting relationship to be with a person with a slow burn type of love. The problem is people are too isolated in today’s society and online dating it’s not the most comprehensive…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 12:10 AM
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Because you have to ask this question, it obviously is not obvious to a lot of men. So, the fact is it needs to be said. The problem is a lot of women can’t or just won’t articulate clearly what they want and find attractive and that’s frustrating for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 02:22 AM
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This entitlement conversation is not helpful. It would be better to normalize match making to have someone help you find a good match and be to help you fix unattractive traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 12:48 AM
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I’m a little confused on what you’re asking or arguing. If you’re asking, why should women want casual sex? I would say you shouldn’t. It’s better for you to get a good relationship and have sex with him. For guys if they are not in the stage where they are looking for a long-term partner it’s more beneficial for us to find a way to get sex with the least amount of effort possible because it’s enjoyable and we can conserve our resources. so what is good for one is not what’s best for the other. …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 02:07 AM
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These are world wide stats in studies. Of course I don’t want people being mistreated anywhere, but if families are killing women and other countries that doesn’t have anything to do with justifying women in a country, that’s not doing that being overly scared of men. I think this is a very small amount of bad men affecting a bunch of people. If this really was a widespread male problem they are doing a great disservice not teaching people about this in schools. Why don’t we hear more stories in…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 01:33 PM
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First, you have to separate men looking for sex with men who want relationship. For men who are apart of the community but excluded from sex I don’t see how this shift would help them get in the mix unless they have a large penis and this allowed women to find out. I think women would just have sex with the same attractive men and a few talented less attractive men. It’s better to legalize sex work and increase free or low cost community activities. So that men can build friendships and connect …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 04:13 PM
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If you’re securing the services of a sex worker for the right reasons, I disagree. Sex workers are not a substitute for a relationship. They are easy/ guaranteed access to sex without having to get her in the mood or having to say the right things. In some cases, you’ll take them out on a date situation where they are playing an ideal fantasy because you paid for that. As long as you have the understanding that you are just paying for sex there is no issue. In fact this is a better option for me…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 01:12 AM
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If you’re securing the services of a sex worker for the right reasons, I disagree. Sex workers are not a substitute for a relationship. They are easy/ guaranteed access to sex without having to get her in the mood or having to say the right things. In some cases, you’ll take them out on a date situation where they are playing an ideal fantasy because you paid for that. As long as you have the understanding that you are just paying for sex there is no issue. In fact this is a better option for me…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 01:06 AM
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For issues like bipolar, schizophrenia, those kind of things you really do need to see a professional. But the arguments that it’s expensive, at least in an American context, or difficult to access our legitimate problems. Healthcare should not be for profit, but that’s a different issue. But for those problems, they need to encourage and provide a real pathway for men to become therapist or psychologist to better serve the population of struggling men. For depression, we need low barrier to ent…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 01:37 PM
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I was mostly talking about nonverbal, but the first scenario makes sense too. To use an analogy it’s like trying to teach someone who grew up in a desert how to spearfish. Something obvious to you, like in this analogy just swim out is completely foreign to them. The experience of growing up as a boy versus growing up as a girl are completely different so no matter how clear you think you’re being some experiences are extremely difficult to be able to understand if you don’t get really basic. Gu…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 01:04 PM
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In my experience women have wanted me to “just get it” rather than communicating their wants and needs. I don’t have the successful experience to understand what they want or navigate their feelings?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 02:36 AM
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If she’s my wife, of course. Girlfriend, probably. Female friend, if she has done nice things for me and this is the best way to say thank you, ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 02:10 PM
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People are trying to grow and do better. Yes, we grew up in a very transphobic culture and most people think trans people are weird and deep down question if they’re really men or women. However, a lot of people are trying to do better learn more and change their beliefs, deep down that their rational mind disagrees with. So maybe people aren’t trying to gaslight you. They’re trying hard to do better and be better. Because like you alluded to, why shouldn’t matter who you date or why does it hur…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 11:44 AM
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I disagree. I think it’s more often men aren’t friends with women they don’t want to fuck than women aren’t friends with men they don’t wanna fuck. That’s why guys talk about friend-zoning all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 02:40 AM
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I think you’re describing black pill ideology more than red pill. Red pill is more understanding female nature and adjusting accordingly. Some use this to make informed decisions in dating with a goal of finding a wife while others, unfortunately, use this to manipulate as many different women into sex. While I’m not your target audience, being red pill and socialist. Most RP don’t believe a better way is possible, that we can be less individualistic and work together so that everyone can succee…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 07:32 AM
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To spell it out, men want women to be better women so that they are attracted to them and women want men to be better men so that they are attracted to them. Not that complicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 01:52 PM
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Both men and women complain because they’re upset with their situation and sometimes you just need to vent. Or they want the other to do better so that they can be someone they’re attracted to. That simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 01:36 PM
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Jeff Bezos already has four kids. He doesn’t need to prioritize youth at this point. But him marrying her made no sense to me on paper. He has entirely too much money so even if she divorced him and takes half of his shit, he still couldn’t spend that in a lifetime. So I don’t know, just tax the rich. I don’t really care who he dates or cheats on his wife with it’s obscene that he can rent a city for his wedding against the will of the people in the city while his workers are being exploited. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 01:06 PM
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Both, men start watching porn because they’re curious and want to look at naked women. But if they don’t get intimacy for an extended period of time once they do have an opportunity, it could have damage them. This could be fixed with patients, but a lot of girls will just want to move on and find someone who requires zero effort from them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 03:29 AM
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Of course this is true but it is important to note that this is a correlation, not a causation. Meaning that there is a high overlap in attractive male qualities with men who are deemed “misogynistic”. I don’t believe women are attracted to being beaten by the men they find attractive are the men who are more likely to beat them. For guys it’s important to know that if a woman likes you, you can treat her like crap and she will happily put up with it. If she doesn’t really like you, you can do l…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 02:50 AM
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“Why do unsuccessful men on this sub focus so much on women they don’t want to date?” Because if they had a better attitude, we would want to date them. Nobody unhappy accepts people how they are, men & women, they want them to change so that they can have better interactions. But sometimes it is better overall if you change other times it’s better if they change.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 07:41 PM
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I have one friend who had an ex-girlfriend, who was okay with him watching porn as long as the girl looked like her, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 08:39 PM
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You are missing the point if some people don’t want you yes that’s obvious go where you’re want it if nobody wants you then you have nowhere to go. I don’t think women are lying about what they like. I think women and men communicate differently and don’t understand each other. The red pill translates what women want in a way that is understandable for most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 02:52 AM
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It’s very different if some people don’t like you versus if no people like you. If some people are not interested, you are just not their type if no one is interested there is something wrong. For a lot of guys either no women show interest or women show interest in ways that are way too subtle for guys to recognize. So, from their perspective no one is interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 01:00 PM
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What would change my mind, if your advice led to better results in my personal life, then I would change my perspective. Why because listening to blue pill logic got me used and unappreciated by women and understanding women in a red pill fashion and treating them as such has yielded better results. So it doesn’t matter if the data says this is true or untrue. This yields more positive results in my life that I can see. If another perspective yield it more visible positive results in my life the…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 12:56 PM
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It’s more the length of the list of requirements and the unwillingness to compromise. So if you have a list of 100 things and he meets 80 of them that should be enough but for a lot of women their friends will convince them that’s not enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 12:32 PM
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At that age, she should adopt if she wants another kid. I know in both situations she’s taking on the responsibility of a child, but I still think it’s crazier and more selfish to try to get pregnant in her situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 12:23 PM
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Women think they want men to be vulnerable but they don’t feel attraction when men are vulnerable. They don’t want to help you win they want to hear you tell them how you won.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 06:14 AM
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You asked me personally what I believe and I told you. Isn’t that why you have conversations, to challenge your assumptions? There are different camps within the red pill but I think the main components are men and women are not the same, men and women have different roles and responsibilities, and men have to understand female nature, if they want to be successful with women. What success means can vary from guy to guy, but that’s also a dividing question on what camp you’re in. That idea is a …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 04:18 AM
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The red pill is just understanding that men and women are not the same and understanding women’s nature to best position yourself in dating and relationships. Is there a camp that wants to use and fuck as many girls as possible and preaches that men are the prize absolutely is that everyone absolutely not. Some of us want relationships but also understand men and women have roles and responsibilities and if you want to get into a relationship, you can’t pick and choose what roles and responsibil…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 04:44 PM
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This is bad advice. It’s better to go into it with the assumption that as the man you have to pay. If you want to give people advice, give suggestion of free or low-cost date options.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 12:29 PM
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I think this is a really good analysis. But here are some societal changes that would help more individuals be in partnership. Have more free or low cost third spaces so that people can meet, have fun, and not spend a ton of money. I think it’s better to just accept that men have to pay but having date options that are free or low cost is a better way to mitigate. Normalize matchmakers, people are busy so it’s a better use of your time to get to know a good matchmaker who can learn your personal…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 12:26 PM
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It really is a problem that people keep promoting individualistic criticism to societal problems. It’s not helpful to give advice that it’s all on you to fix it unless you really know the person‘s individual circumstances. Rather than advocate positions that we need more free and low cost spaces for people to gather, meet, and have fun. We need to pay people enough, so they’re not stressed out about meeting their basic needs and can actually do fun things although the corollary to that is also t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 12:09 PM
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I think the conversation would move forward in a more healthy and productive manner and a lot of guys would be more supportive of women in all aspects of life if they publicly in large numbers stated the position, we have more difficulties in other parts of life, but dating and relationships is the one area where women have it much easier than men. Also, realizing people aren’t complaining just to complain they want relationships and are looking to figure out a way forward so that more people ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 11:59 AM
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I would guess that men stay in bad relationships longer, and women get in bad relationships more often. However, I don’t think this is a male /female thing. It’s a scarcity /abundance mindset thing. Where men are more likely to have a scarcity mindset when it comes to relationship and women are more likely to have an abundance mindset when it comes to relationship so, more accurately someone with a scarcity mindset is more likely to stay in a bad relationship, but just answering your question, m…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 06:52 AM
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To his first point, saying don’t rush I don’t think there’s any bad intent from women. It’s just that what’s good advice for women is not for men. Women need to wait for the right one to come then not immediately reject him, where as men need to learn how to make it happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 08:11 PM
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It’s something that has to be talked about because it’s a very common experience for a lot of guys. However, it would be helpful for older guys to teach younger guys about women behaving in this fashion IRL so that you don’t get a lot of guys sharing a real common and unpleasant experience. it’s really important for boys and young men to have older males as mentors. Not just for dating, but for being a good and healthy man. But also we should teach women a clear rejection is better than a wishy-…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 12:28 PM
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It depends on how conventionally attractive you are. If you’re attractive, just be you and girls will show up. If not, on an individual level, you have to follow red pill strategies to make yourself more attractive. All other effective changes have to be implemented on a societal level.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 04:12 PM
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It’s an issue because men make it an issue and turn to movements that implement destructive policies that hurt everyone. We just need to accept that men want to have sex. I think it’s better to legalize sex work and push for policies that help men live a life of economic dignity. Which, in tern,will help everyone including men. But if we try to ignore this or make it an individual problem. It won’t solve anything and we will have other worst problems. We just need to accept men not having sex is…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 11:47 AM
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Yes, that’s why having it standardized would be good because it takes away the man accusing her of cheating. It would just be one of the many test that they do. Also, if women as a whole, our committing paternity fraud at one percent or less, isn’t it better for them to have official stats so that they can tell men told you so? Assuming they’re telling the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 03:28 PM
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If that’s true, why do so many women get mad when men say we should have standard paternity test at birth?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 02:51 AM
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No, it really is difficult if you don’t get lucky and find someone in college.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 02:43 AM
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You’re correct on your analysis, but I’ve been in this situation and I’ve literally only had one women say no that one girl was horrible. Most just make excuses or justification for her bad behavior and that’s what men are frustrated by.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 02:35 AM
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I’ve heard women have this concept called boyfriend dick. In that their preferences for penis size is different for their partner versus a one night stand/ casual fling. Everyone’s different and you might encounter some women who want their long-term partner to have a massive penis, but I think this is more important for one night stand. For long-term partners as long as you’re normal, you’re fine. If you’re long-term partners, the only issue might be if you are actually tiny or she perceives yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 10:01 AM
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I hope you find happiness
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 10:13 AM
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A lot that’s why I think it’s important for people to understand each other on a human level. Neurotypical people need to stop thinking that their way is the right way and neurodivergent people are bad for not conforming.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 10:10 AM
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No because it’s a lot more important for women than men. Also, a lot of men can’t get in the door if they don’t qualify financially here she is your girlfriend. For you, if she can’t articulate career plans, make sure she can articulate you and her future plans because if she can’t do that, she probably has future plans without you in them, but would like to use you while she moves herself forward.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 09:13 AM
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Are there a few crazy people who hold these beliefs or will make an issue about this? Probably. Is this a widespread enough issue to make a big deal about? No.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 11:57 AM
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That good! More people should throw their stupid game back at them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 11:52 AM
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It’s not exactly that it’s that a lot of men want to have a family and live the cookie cutter life. The logic of why women are actually single mothers doesn’t matter for a visceral reaction, and a bunch of guys have reactions to single mothers who are single mothers for a reason other than being widowed. Sure men and women “should” try to be less effected by visceral reactions against person that don’t actually matter but the reality is they exist. There is the fear that if you connect with a si…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 12:45 AM
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Prioritizing satisfying lust increases the average woman’s safety. We have people telling men ‘don’t want sex it’s women’s thing’ and the answer is no. The better thing to do if you don’t want to have sex used to regulate men’s emotions is to prioritize meaningful and fair paying jobs. High enough that you’re basic needs are met and you can have time and money to do things outside of work that you enjoy, but not so high that you’re able to use it as a tool to oppress other people. But we’re not …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 06:14 PM
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Most work under capitalism is exploitative so as long as it’s regulated, I think having legalized sex work does more good than harm. It’s a low barrier to entry, Flexible job, and it provides a service that improves the client‘s feeling about their life. This job has pros and cons like any other job and as long as they screen people to make sure they’re not doing this against their well I don’t think it should be stigmatize more than any other job. I know the last part was a joke, but if men did…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 05:51 PM
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Yes, this would obviously be better for everyone. But will not happen simply because men have a higher drive. So even if women started approaching the levels, they would do it at would not satisfy men. Also, at least at first, it would be concentrated overwhelmingly skewed towards the top men. I couldn’t say for sure that it wouldn’t adjust overtime but at least at first it definitely would concentrate at the top. A better fix would be normalize using matchmakers this way people can invest more …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 03:34 PM
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My life got so much happier when I stopped listening to women. If you are in any of the situations described just stop listening to women and enjoy your life doing what you love.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 02:08 AM
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So how do we fix this? Normalize matchmakers: online dating is not a good option, but people want to more efficiently find a compatible person and not waste time dating people who don’t match their goals. It will be better to invest time in getting to know a matchmaker who can understand who you are and what your relationship goals are and set you up with people who match you in important qualities rather than doing it yourself. Have more budget, friendly date options: as a guy when you go on ba…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 12:16 AM
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100%! I can look at it from women’s perspective and understand why dating could be fun, but they can’t look from guys perspective and understand why dating is not fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 11:35 PM
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I think the whole idea of settling is damaging and counter productive. Everyone should have a match and we should help everyone to find a good person to be with. However, no one‘s perfect and you have to put work into making your relationship the best it can be. It’s better to teach people how to get along with other people and make it work as long as your core values align.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 01:49 PM
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In the video, he talks about men thinking they can’t do college financially, but the financial challenge is real and prohibitive for a lot of people. I think college should be free for everyone, but at the very least it should be affordable enough that you can earn enough money to go in your summer vacation like the old days.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 01:03 AM
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They are less likely to be affected because they have easy access to real sex whereas for most men they’re only sexual release option is porn. So if they have to work, build a career, build up their finances and all through that can only watch porn. When they finally are attractive to a woman they don’t just catch up sexually. Some are damaged for having to wait too long.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 07:04 PM
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Women 18 to 24 are most attractive to men. They don’t hit the wall until 35 to 45.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 02:04 AM
3

First, are you ok? Seriously do you need advice to get your points across to a nerdy family member or something? I don’t think most people think their girlfriend has to do everything with them we have jobs and friends. You don’t have to share all your girlfriends hobbies, but you should just be with someone who doesn’t show distain to your hobbies. You can be a serious reliable adult with nerdy hobbies and interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 07:36 PM
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Yes, I don’t understand why.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 01:09 PM
5

Just stop listening to women in your life will be much happier.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 11:35 AM
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I think looks is the one area where women are not hypergamy. And I don’t think that’s because of my bias of thinking women look better than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 01:20 AM
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Not “weasel words” we operate in completely different fields. But thank you for providing that context cause I can understand you a lot better. I work in a community engagement field, where the metrics of what makes a good worker are more subjective. And it does make sense to prioritize building the best team rather than picking the best person in each individual situation. But I could see how in a creative field you could have race being a more overt reason why someone is chosen for legitimate,…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 04:24 PM
1

When it comes to lower level positions, there are way more qualified people, then positions available. Hiring unqualified people because they’re minorities is not a thing at all and to suggest the otherwise it’s just racism so I’m not having that conversation. But if we’re talking about people who meet the base qualifications for a job, it can get subjective on who is the better candidate. Sometimes one person can be better on paper, but the other person offers different perspectives that are va…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 01:19 PM
1

The point of DEIA is to ensure that everyone has a fair opportunity. And you’re absolutely right that DEIA programs benefit white women the most! When it comes to lower level positions, there are way more qualified people than positions available. And it doesn’t matter if people are against DEIA for borderline legitimate reasons the application of removing it is definitely racist because it disproportionately hurts POC. I get that it’s annoying having people do trainings to understand difference…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 12:58 PM
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The point is men have other things we need to worry about. And it’s better to learn how to get along with another human being and figure out a way to make things work then to be picking at things to find a way for it not to work. But men and women are not the same. What works for one is not best for the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 05:33 AM
0

I would argue calling someone a DEI higher crosses the line from casual because it’s a serious fundamentally wrong world view whose application has extremely serious destructive consequences. Whereas go make me a sandwich jokes, piss woman off, but don’t hurt anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 05:26 AM
3

Absolutely, it’s sad that people don’t realize the oligarchy is the problem and rally behind making change. Now we’re left arguing about best shitty second choice options when we know what the actual solution is.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 05:11 AM
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Men are a lot easier to please. It doesn’t make sense from men to vet as much as women because some of the things that are issues for women don’t matter for guys. Also, some of the extensive vetting women do doesn’t make sense to guys. From my perspective, things would be better if women would just calm down.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 08:09 PM
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Nothing you said is incorrect. There are a lot of guys who are lonely in the true sense of the word. But yes, the guys who have active social lives, but just want to have sex should be arguing for legalized sex work not complaining about the women in their lives not sleeping with them. Or if they only invest in male friendships because they don’t want to waste time with women who won’t sleep with them it’s better to advocate for legalizing sex work because then they have that need taken care of …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 12:14 PM
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I guess people get caught up on the word just. Guys don’t see it as “just” wanting casual sex if most likely after trying it, they will want to commit after. From our perspective, the guys who “just” want casual sex are the guys who can get casual sex from a lot of different women and have no intent to commit after trying.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 11:52 AM
2

Because for a lot of guys women just don’t like them how they are. We see the value in finding a good partners so we have to do something different.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/25 12:27 PM
1

I don’t get how this is disingenuous. We are honest we’re doing this to attract women. And sure there are good women out there, but a lot of them don’t go to where serious guys are. It’s just a Numbers game. You want to go to the places that give you the best chances to meet as many different people as possible so that you can hopefully find one who’s good for you. Guys don’t have the luxury of just being themselves we have to spark your attention Because girls right guys off way too quick if we…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 08:19 PM
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No, it’s just that you have to bring something to the table that men want. If I’m hiring a coder and you’re an expert surgeon that doesn’t diminish the work that you did to become a surgeon it’s just not what I’m looking for. Men are looking for qualities that make you a good wife and mother and after you check those boxes, I’m sure he’ll be appreciative of the other skills but if you can’t check those boxes, your career doesn’t substitute for the qualities he’s looking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 02:56 PM
3

When people say men don’t care about your career, it doesn’t mean that we don’t want to date a woman who is educated and has a career. It’s that it’s not a deciding factor. We look at who she is as a person how she treats us and how she fits into our life and if she has a career too, that’s great if she has a regular job that’s fine too. But for women career is more of a deciding factor where as for men, it’s an after thought. The problem is a lot of the qualities that make a woman successful in…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 02:45 PM
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And what criticism do you have for younger women who choose to date older men? Would you criticize younger men who choose to date older women? If you’re legally an adult, you can make your own choices. It doesn’t matter if it makes you feel uncomfortable if you’re not in the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 12:31 PM
1

Because they generally don’t talk about it. If they find themselves in an age gap relationship, they generally just go off-line and be happy. For men, youth and beauty is more important so we will talk more about finding younger women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 07:12 AM
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Yes, women want a man around their age, but they also want the benefits of what an older man brings to a relationship stability, maturity, and money that kind of stuff. If there given the ideal, of course they’ll take the guy at their age, but when face was the reality of putting in the work to build a good relationship or taking the ready-made guy, most of them, don’t wanna do the work so they’ll take the guy with the quality they want and go be happy or pick one and be mad that they can’t pick…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 07:06 AM
2

No, I’m someone who’s extremely giving and selfless when it comes to my friends and I’ve been burned one too many times with female friends so I don’t see the value in having them anymore. In my experience if my friends need something, I will go out of my way for them and when I’m in my time of need, my male friends will do the same for me. Female friends on the other hand are incredibly selfish and rarely go an inch out of their way when I need something. Having a friend you acts like that is n…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 06:57 AM
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No, of course not that makes zero sense. If she likes him, she would want to be with him or want to recommend him to someone else because he’s that good. The problem is a lot of women don’t respect men and want to use them so they lie about thinking you’re a good friend, but not wanting to get involved to hide that they don’t respect you and want to take the good things you have to offer them. Men need to be smarter if a woman really likes you. She’ll be in a relationship with you or be ecstatic…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 12:03 AM
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I hear what you’re saying, but the main point I’m making is it is not nefarious. He goes into it with good intentions, but because men’s criteria for a good friend and a good partner are not that much different if he finds you attractive, he’ll want to have you as a partner Rather than a friend because from the male perspective, I don’t see any benefits that you get as being a friend that aren’t better or the same from being a romantic partner. And I think that most men view the relationship as …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 12:01 AM
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No, I completely disagree. Of course you can like someone as a friend but not be compatible with them but if you wouldn’t recommend them to someone else, you don’t respect them. I think you’re overlooking that I am saying one of the two conditions have to apply not both conditions. Think from the perspective, you know what your friend wants in a mate you meet a girl who matches those criteria do you tell her? Hey I know someone who would be great for you. If you do, he’s really your friend and y…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 11:52 PM
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Yes, if you actually think highly of these guys, you would recommend them to other single women if you respect them. There are a lot of women out there looking for great men, and it makes zero sense that if you found a great one either you wouldn’t want him or you wouldn’t recommend him to another woman who is looking for a good man. If you don’t clear that bar, you don’t actually respect them. In that situation can you see why men would think you think there’s something wrong with them or you w…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 04:52 PM
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You’re missing the point men and women are not the same. The dynamic of male-male friendships is different than male-female. You have a different level of responsibility with a woman that you don’t have with men. There is not attraction in male friendships. And if you look at it from a male perspective, there’s nothing I get from a friendship with a woman that isn’t better or the same in a romantic relationship. From a male perspective, those excuses aren’t good enough. The likelihood of a woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 11:23 AM
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I agree, it makes no sense to allow black pill people and not allow them to express their beliefs and have them challenged as long as they are not inciting bad behavior. The rule references Male loneliness, which is a serious issue people from reputable, academic institutions, and reputable news outlets discuss. I would think this should be a place where people of different perspectives can talk out their experiences & ideas so people can learn grow and empathize with each other. Something like …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 06:52 AM
4

The American healthcare system is pretty bad and they force us to jump through unnecessary hoops. Why do you think so many people are celebrating, Luigi. Your system has to be extremely brutal to regular people on a consistent basis if people are treating an alleged murderer like a saint.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 04:53 AM
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First of all when you boycott a business, you’re supposed to exclude emergency purchases such as medicines. So, obviously, if he needs the medicine, she’s wrong too do that for medicine. Second, I would give this woman a lot more grace if she was out there, supporting Bernie, who wanted to make healthcare free for everyone and cap your prescription drug expenditures at $200 a year as opposed to politicians like Hillary and Kamala because #Feminism. Third, if she only bought the medicine in there…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 04:42 AM
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It just isn’t a thing men being friends with a woman with the goal of being in a relationship from the beginning. They connect and feelings develop overtime. Women need to think of it from a male perspective. What benefits do we get from being your friend that aren’t the better or at least the same from being in a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 02:48 AM
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Two alternative explanation, he might feel comfortable sharing and being vulnerable because he feels that connection with her or after sharing and being vulnerable and not feeling judged he might develop feelings of attraction because his other relationships are not safe to be vulnerable in.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 02:42 AM
2

Yes, most of the time you have to either lie to women or be attractive enough that they will lie to themselves for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 12:25 AM
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No, from a young age, men hear older men, assuming they have healthy male role models in good stable relationships, that they found their best friend and married her. Men’s criteria for friendship is not that much different than their criteria for a romantic relationship so if he has a good time and good experiences with you and finds you cute attraction will grow if he’s not in a relationship. Also, men view a romantic relationship as better than a friendship. Men and women also view sex differ…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 12:19 AM
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If we assume men have the same or similar things, they look for in a female friend and a romantic partner. It would make sense that as long as he finds her attractive the more good time you spend with her and good experiences you have together, the more interest you would have in her. My theory is that men view relationships, more hierarchical, and women view relationships as more unique different things. So the idea of messing up a friendship makes no sense to a guy because a romantic relations…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 11:06 PM
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Yep, they don’t realize that they vote on male behavior in that voting method is choosing who they sleep with.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 12:20 AM
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It’s almost never a good idea to be honest with women. If she’s poly, that’s the only time is not a bad idea to be upfront that you want something casual.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 12:15 AM
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This is part of why we have the divide. If you or woman in general acknowledge that this particular woman is wrong we’re more likely to listen to your points on other things. But when you can’t acknowledge that, a woman who is clearly wrong is wrong we learn to never listen to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 12:09 AM
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The only experience in my personal life I have with this is a woman, divorcing her husband when he got sick, but she was right to do so. She stayed to raise all their kids into adulthood, he did his job to provide for the family but he was always a dick. He always made an effort to be nice to all the kids but we could always see he upset her and he was a dick who was at least nice to the kids who his kids interacted with. Most of the time I don’t think it’s right for people to divorce when their…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 11:35 PM
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We should also try some positive reinforcement. I don’t have time to add the studies right now, but I have seen data that relationships where women make the first move and take an initiative are far more successful. So if they don’t wanna hear it coming from men, there are happily married women who they can listen to. But also I’m talking about taking a real initiative like going up to him saying hi how are you? Here’s my number. Let’s go out sometime not subtle things that women claim is making…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 01:50 PM
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Why are women so obsessed with this? Don’t “blame” women narrative when people point out something they can do better.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 01:37 PM
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I’m not sure that they do realize that. You have to go all in on a strategy and you can’t pick and choose what parts you like and don’t like. If you wanna take a passive roll, you have to be open to meeting new people trying new things and following The man’s lead. If you want a specific type of man, you need to go where they are or when you see them start the conversation. If you want to give them pushback, you need to offer alternative suggestions and if they don’t get something perfectly righ…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 12:26 PM
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I don’t think men benefit more from kids than women however I do think men clearly have less down sides. But my main issue with your argument is I don’t think the priorities are right. You listed downsides that are centered around selfishness and individualism, which are not good values. When it comes to what you feel about your appearance, if you’re in a long-term relationship with a good partner, don’t listen to how you feel about your appearance and especially not other women listen to your m…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 05:47 AM
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Men want to have sex. We need to stop apologizing for that. And stop validating arguments that ultimately mean only attractive men can express sexual interest. Or we could just normalize using matchmakers so people can be more effectively match with people who share their beliefs and values and the woman who don’t want to be talked to in public could point to a clear and effective alternative. Ultimately, any argument for change you make that doesn’t lead to men getting to have sex will eventual…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 12:25 AM
1

OK, great! I can see where you’re misunderstanding my position. It is very different matching people who have graduated college or graduate school to the best fitting available job opportunities, In turn ensuring everyone has a place somewhere which I would support. As opposed to telling five-year-olds what career they’re going to have at 25 which I don’t support. But this is a great example how it’s not great to assume someone’s beliefs when you can just ask them. We don’t all fit in one box.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 12:07 AM
1

If you did it similar to how medical schools do the match program. I think it’s smarter more fair and better for the overall good. Why don’t you think so?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 09:32 PM
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But people are better off after. Seems like a good trade to me
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 02:34 AM
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I think that would be great as long as you are consulted to find the best fit. You could more effectively match people and people avoid the hell of unemployment.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 12:50 AM
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If you’re only attracted to the men who are violent, that’s on you. There are plenty of men out there who are not dangerous at all, and would be amazing people if you show them a little bit of love.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 12:42 AM
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Of course, women invest in long-term relationships and lose as well. But dating the losses are very skewed towards men. And I think it is okay to criticize women who don’t like a guy but like what he has to offer so waste his time and money. Just like it’s okay to criticize a guy who doesn’t like a woman but enjoys having sex with her knowing she wants a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 12:36 AM
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Yes, but if a woman can’t provide for herself and a man really likes her he’ll find a way if a man can’t provide for himself he doesn’t get in the door.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 02:23 PM
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We agree on that definition of safe completely. And I think we agree that we should feel safe by that definition in all relationships not just with your romantic partner. What we don’t agree on or you’re not addressing is that theirs another definition of safe and those qualities are attractive to women while men look for other things.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 02:22 PM
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Fascism is winning. I don’t like it. I think left economic policies is the way out. It’s more likely to give people the opportunity for healthy and fulfilling relationships. But if the fascist have one, and I’m going to be oppressed, I would rather go to work be exploited then go home and fuck my wife. Then have a bunch of people choosing to be single.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 02:12 PM
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Fascism is on the rise and winning because idiot moderates keep stifling left policies that will help everyone. My view is we need to accept that men want to have sex and if we don’t implement policies that will improve everyone’s lives. Men will push for policies that force women into relationships. I prefer socialism, but if we can’t have that, I’m not going to support the freedom not to choose a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 01:48 PM
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I don’t agree on the default responsibilities being the same because those are not qualities men are looking for in a wife. But I absolutely agree that a couple can and should set responsibilities within their relationship based off of what’s best for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 01:42 PM
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Great! I appreciate your take. Can you help me understand why some people, not saying you if that’s not what you actually believe, get angry at the idea that women should have duties or responsibilities? Under the understanding that before a date men have or are expected to have most of the responsibility to plan and pay. From my perspective, woman should have some responsibility whether it’s different things they should do for a guy or else as a society telling women they need to also approach …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 01:40 PM
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Honestly, I think we should normalize using matchmakers two more effectively connects people with similar views and qualities. I think when you are just trying to meet people on your own, it’s too difficult to not work off of a base set of expectations and responsibilities. Of course, as we get to know each other you can and should figure out what works best for you guys. But it’s helpful to have a base framework of expectations that people should fulfill.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 01:32 PM
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Lol, you hit the nail on the head
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 01:24 PM
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I agree that that is important. But I also think that definition of safety is important for all relationships. Friendships family relationships in both directions. And if anyone is not safe by that definition of safety that relationship should not progress any further. But we’re talking about dating in relationships and that definition of safety is not enough for women’s attraction and there are other more traditionally, masculine protector qualities that are attractive to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 01:23 PM
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Yes, absolutely. Using this as an example if I am a good scientist and you’re a talented writer. You shouldn’t be working on a cancer treatment while I write our business plan.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 01:12 PM
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You are overlooking the dating stage, but that’s part of the point. Men have responsibilities from day one and even before the two of you meet nowadays. We are expected to plan the date pay for it and girls are just expected to show up. And too many give no consideration about canceling last minute. The guy at the very least wasted a lot of time planning something interesting for you to do or even waste it money so that you can go and do something interesting together. I think at the very least …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 01:07 PM
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I just disagree, but your case makes a lot of sense and I appreciate you engaging in good faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 12:59 PM
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Also, we should stop pretending like a man’s responsibility to protect is the same as a woman’s. If your girl gets attacked in public, we know our responsibilities to protect her is different than if you get attacked in public. You’re woman running to get help is an acceptable way for her to protect whereas if a guy did the same, there would be some serious scrutiny.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 12:53 PM
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I don’t think it matters that the US hasn’t exercised the draft in a long time. The fact that every boy has to sign up for the draft as they become a man instills the fact that they have a responsibility to other people. And I don’t think there’s anything that tells women they have a responsibility to other people, I think our society lets women be as selfish as possible, and condones it but if you have examples, please enlighten me. A lot of young people don’t support the country going to war b…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 12:41 PM
1

You’re not refuting his point your characterizing him by your preconceived notions do you really think the Trump US government is not an extremist government?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 12:27 PM
1

Yes! People are focused on the relationship part and skipping over the dating part. I think at the very least women should have the responsibility be clear about how they feel and not to waste the guys time and money if they’re not interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 12:23 PM
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I don’t think these are the only important responsibilities. I want people to make their case, highlight what different responsibilities women have. I don’t think they should be the same because those examples are required of men and optional for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 12:16 PM
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Because men and women are different. we can argue about whether they are inherently different or different because we socialize boys and girls differently, but that being said men and women are different. And through most of history, the better question would’ve been why would they be the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 05:41 AM
0

That explanation makes sense. Thank you. I don’t think that is stealing because I think if we are using the template list of responsibilities, those start in the man’s column, but I appreciate hearing your point of view. That thinking makes a lot of sense, even if I don’t agree right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 05:35 AM
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I don’t discount the importance of having kids and child care. But women do have it easier when it comes to dating. So basically what I get out of what you said is, men have more responsibilities on the front end. Women have more on the back end. But if your relationship is not successful, you basically wasted a bunch of time and money.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 05:20 AM
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No, you did not explain it clearly. I was asking in good faith because I genuinely want to understand different points of view. So you can either explain what you’re saying or stop being condescending and go somewhere else.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 05:09 AM
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I get that sounds good but I still think that expectation is put on the man and if the woman supports, that’s great, but the consequences are enforced more on men for not being able to do so. Men are expected to pay for dates. Living with your parents hurts men stating opportunities dramatically more than a woman living with her parents. So while it sounds good, providing is required for a man and optional for a woman. But I’m interested in if there is any responsibility that women have. Or some…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 05:03 AM
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I’m sorry I don’t follow that. Can you explain how that is attempting to steal from you?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 04:50 AM
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I completely agree. I think a lot of people put that expectation of protection on men. And I agree that expectation comes from men and women but enforced in different ways. And I don’t quite understand why so much importance is put on this in a relatively safe, modern society. However, in my experience if a woman doesn’t feel protected, even if it’s not rational why, I have to deal with problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 04:47 AM
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Because I see women are attracted to protecter qualities and features. And I hear women talking about safety, even when we’re in situations where you’re not unsafe.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 04:39 AM
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The danger of that is if you quietly do things and that doesn’t get recognized. It would either lead to one person feeling unappreciated, or the other person thinking they’re doing more, but not recognizing what the other person does.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 04:30 AM
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While I would agree, we’re not that unsafe a lot of women seem to be really concerned about safety and it comes up a lot that they want to feel protected by their male partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 04:24 AM
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So basically you’re of the view each couple should negotiate that for themselves, but both party should have some responsibilities?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 04:22 AM
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I would say ghosting and standing someone up are on different levels. I don’t support ghosting. I think you should just make your feelings clear. I understand without condoning why people do it. But standing someone up is completely unacceptable. If you don’t want to go out with someone don’t agree. It takes time and money to plan out a good date.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 11:18 AM
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Sexuality is not a choice, it exist on the spectrum. Bisexuals can make the choice to have sex with men, women, or both when the opportunity is available. But we’re not going to get rid of that stigma so it’s better to focus on legalizing sex work or policies that move people towards family formation. Not stupid things like telling men they shouldn’t want sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 04:59 PM
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If a man says that he’s definitely talking about class in terms of whether she’s put together, knows how to act feminine, and can behave going to a business event. Not class in terms of social class. A woman’s money does not make her more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 04:40 PM
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Don’t you see that men also could have had bad experiences with women and met horrible women that make them want to check out. or even that there are horrible women who ruin men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 11:20 AM
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Not unless he’s fucking her or one is gay, but I agree the jab was unnecessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 11:10 AM
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Take Hitler out of this and my answer is absolutely. This is not an attack, you really don’t understand how men think.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 11:07 AM
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You’re missing the point here. Men care about attractiveness women care about status. So a woman being attractive and a lower class does not disprove his point. Men don’t care about woman’s money unless they’re broke. For anything in life, you don’t set your goal on something mediocre. You set it to be the best and if you end up somewhere in the middle, that’s fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 11:02 AM
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Even if it could, it’s not worth risking the side effects.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 10:47 AM
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I’m just saying that I don’t think it’s realistic to tell men to take medication to become asexual and they would have a better chance having men except having sex with other men. But I also stated that I don’t think either of these are realistic ideas. Hence, I looked at them from a theoretical lens. I wouldn’t want this, but if you’re asking me, theoretically would men be happier being asexual or bisexual in a society that was not biphobic my answer is yes. But I know that’s not the world we l…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 12:22 AM
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To answer your question on a theoretical level, yes, most men would be happier if they were asexual. But we are how we are. I think it would be a horrible idea to try to change this with drugs and it’s not something that you can just rationalize your way out of. Sex is a normal and good part of human life. Something still theoretical, but more realistic would it be better if we were less biphobic? Any solution that hinges on asking men not to want sex is a non-starter. But sexuality is a spectru…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/25 09:50 PM
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No, first of all you have the 80-20 rule so you have 20% of women who are the good women who are dating and or married to good men and happy. Those women are amazing and they deserve all the good things they get. Next, you have older women who realize they can’t get the man they desire and think they are “settling” these are horrible women who destroy good men. Of course, in the 20% of men that women find desirable you have good men in there, but they will get taken quickly. So that leaves the a…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 04:04 AM
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Your assessment of women is correct however men do categorize women, although on different grounds hoes and wife quality women. Men would be better, served not extending privileges to women who are not of wife quality or even listening to their opinions.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 03:52 AM
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It’s probably a good place to start, but other changes do you think would solve the problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 02:04 AM
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Men can’t because women won’t give us the time of day if we don’t have that ability. I think we should be more pro family and when you give opportunities to single men and single women men will look to see how they can share the extra resources with a woman or a family and women think this is great for me. I can do stuff alone, which I don’t support.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 01:55 AM
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It’s the idea that we say democracy is the best form of government and dictatorships are horrible. Yet most workplaces are dictatorships. Workplace democracy laws would implement mechanisms that legally hold leadership accountable to workers. Currently labor‘s main power is they can strike although they are extreme downsides of that and capital, business owners can fire people and destroy their lives. This would move the power balance to a better place.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 01:30 AM
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You nailed the theory of the case hence the best solutions would be once that decreased procarity and increased control over your life. Having policies that increase wages and job security while giving you flexibility to do other things you enjoy. So having workplace democracy laws, hybrid work availability, flexible scheduling, four day work weeks, etc. policies to give people more ability to do things they enjoy and connect with other people which will lead to relationships because that’s what…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 02:25 PM
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Yes, and that’s depressing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 05:03 AM
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People aren’t logical. You should realize that, but people just don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 05:00 AM
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Honestly, I think most Neurotypical people will only take the time to learn if they have a sibling or kid who is neurodivergent.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 11:46 PM
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That’s why men who casually have sex with women they would never commit to is so damaging. It makes the women think that they can attain a higher level of men that has no serious interest in her and would no longer be happy with a good man who is great for her but not perfect.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 11:35 PM
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Sure, it doesn’t mean that it’s a good idea for them to push for a divorce, but it usually is them pushing for divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 11:26 PM
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What you said reminds me of the show Sex Education where the one popular girl enjoyed fucking ugly guys because she liked knowing that she’d be the best they would ever have. But you talk about men with low SMV being included as they have specific skills but more realistically they would have no experience and unless it’s an older woman who enjoys having sex with younger men, I don’t see her wanting to teach a guy. I think low SMV men with no experience who need to get some experience would only…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 12:39 PM
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While these ideas are common in red pill communities, these are not the core messages you should be taking out of the red pill. As someone who has no interest in entertaining multiple women and has a desire to be married. The point to take away from the red pill is understanding how women are and adhering to a blue pill mindset will be counterproductive to attracting women. Focus on becoming the best version of yourself and that will help attract women. Learn to say no to them when they are bein…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 07:57 AM
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It’s just not something that realistically helps men. Just think if an unattractive man in your friend group who is a really good friend to everyone, solid member of the group but awkward, not the most attractive and doesn’t know how to be charming. If he was feeling down how many of your friends do you think would give him even a hand job to make him feel better? No money being exchanged.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 07:38 AM
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This only works if everyone is getting some sex which I find hard to believe. We all know the women aren’t going to want to sleep with the most attractive men, but I don’t think a lot of the time they will choose to have sex with an unattractive man when they’re bored or something. And when you have some men getting all the sex and other men getting no sex, that’s when you have men getting unhappy with the arrangement. Another problem is if you want to have kids, a guy is not going to be OK with…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 07:27 AM
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The best example is if a woman cheats a lot of times women will make excuses and say he wasn’t paying attention to her or he wasn’t emotionally available she felt lonely, etc. taking accountability is saying she made a commitment doesn’t matter how she felt while she’s in that relationship or marriage, even more so. It’s unacceptable for her to cheat no matter how she feels.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 07:08 AM
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Legalize sex work. Stop listening to what women say they want and their opinions on what a man is or should be. Focus on being the best version of yourself. And support policies that will increase your quality of life. If people are making dumb choices that piss you off ignore them if they don’t hurt you and don’t be cruel. But don’t go out of your way to do nice things for a woman who’s not in your family or sleeping with you. Yes, the blue pill is a lie. Yes, women mostly want a man who earns …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 07:02 AM
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It’s because it’s not in men’s interest to get men that women are attracted to to be less shitty and it is in our interest to have women make the calculation. It’s better to have sex with a guy who I know is going to be a good father, despite lack of attraction. So these guys didn’t just become shitty guys after getting a woman pregnant they were most likely like that before hand or they were guys who didn’t care at all about the woman and just wanted sex. There are a lot of guys out there who w…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 03:43 PM
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The point would be if you were going to actually discuss policy changes like legalizing sex work, higher wages, a four day work week, or other options that will make sex more available for men and their lives happier.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 09:09 PM
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The point is a lot of guys get pissed off that women try to caveat that they have it easier with dating and sex. A lot of men would agree and move on if women would just say I have it easy when it comes to dating and sex, but other than that men have it easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 09:06 PM
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A lot of guys will only experience transactional love from a woman. So why not find someone who will make you feel good and allow you to get more for less.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 11:42 AM
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Good questions! They are both kind of tied together. If a man categorizes you as relationship material his thoughts feelings and actions towards you and about you are completely different than if he views you as a casual girl. Quite honestly if a guy sees you as a casual girl he does not really respect you, your thoughts, opinions or feelings because the feeling is you are just using him so it’s not a problem for him to just use you. None of this applies to a girl whose wife material. The same g…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 05:17 AM
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You’re operating under the assumption that he cares about how she feels or values honesty. If he’s lying to you to get casual sex, he doesn’t see you as wife material so he just cares that you will continue to have sex with him. If he doesn’t see you as someone to have a long-term future with why is he going to care about doing the right thing. It’s really hard for men to get sex so if he’s getting that from you, why is he going to mess that up by telling the truth? How does that benefit him? I …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 02:54 AM
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Of course, do you know how hard it is for men to get sex? It’s not in men’s best interest to be honest to women. We have to be your fantasy and very often genuinely being yourself is not their fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 01:31 AM
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The frustration is with women who won’t just pick someone. Absolutely men should be angry with the guy who is just stringing her along for casual sex. But from men’s perspective, most women have a lot of good serious guys who would be willing to commit. So the logic of supporting women’s rights being taken away is that the less privileges you have the more you need to hurry up and commit. Also, the feeling is women have a lot of rights and privileges but when it comes time to have responsibiliti…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 10:18 AM
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Value only applies to people who are on the market. Once you’re married, the only man who’s opinion matters is your husband? And for a good husband, your value does not decrease as you get older. Especially if you give him children.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 12:33 AM
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If a man is happy with a “less attractive” woman who cares they’re happy, let them be happy. But why men would care about women not lowering their standards but not care about men lowering their standards. It’s simple other men are our competition so a man who can get an attractive woman decides to be with a less attractive woman that’s great for me because that’s an attractive man out of competition so I have a better chance now. Whereas if a woman has unrealistically high standards that hurts …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 09:49 PM
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If gay men are getting married at lower rates than lesbians, but staying together that’s not something that goes against the sentiment of their argument. That means that more gay men are getting married when they are ready to be married and to who they should be getting married to.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 08:09 PM
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I’m saying everyone has their preferences but some things like that for example are dumb to write off someone who has good values for. Yeah, I like long hair better and most men like long hair better. But a person‘s values is what’s important in choosing a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 07:16 PM
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Of course you don’t need to. You can do whatever stupid stuff you want. Example, if you wanted $1,000 in a black wallet but I gave you the option of $1000 in a pink wallet or $900 in a black wallet taking the $900 in black wallet would be your preference even though I think that’s a worst decision that’s fine. Choosing neither because you want $1,000 and the black wallet means you’re an idiot.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 04:48 PM
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I hear what you’re saying, but I guess what I mean is there’s a right and wrong way to go about that. Like it’s flat out wrong to treat someone like their economic worth determines their human worth. There are good, honest, hard-working men who would be great partners, but simply might not have the opportunity to make as much money as you or they would like but together you could live comfortably on a budget. But if someone doesn’t have a future vision that will allow you to accomplish your goal…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 04:43 PM
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Hair color, boob size, hair length (please stop listening to other women who tell you short hair looks nice), etc. stuff like that where there is something I like better but doesn’t affect the core of who the person is.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 04:14 PM
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To me it’s really annoying when women talk about settling. It seems like you have it right, men and women both should not compromise on core values, but you do need to be willing to compromise on preferences. Like you were talking about compatible values and etc. those are things you need to have high standards about because if you don’t, you will have a relationship that’s doomed to fail. The ridicule should be reserved for the women who are like I need him to be tall or if he makes less money …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 11:10 AM
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There are too many selfish people, both men and women they don’t care if they ruin a good person for someone else. It’s just like women who will have a guy who they don’t really like. Take them out on nice dates and buy them stuff when he should be saving that money and those experiences for his wife. People are selfish and they deceive other people for their own enjoyment. Unfortunately, those selfish people are good at attracting people and ruining good people.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 04:43 PM
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So you would rather men have the responsibility of catering to women and women have the responsibility of showing appreciation and validating men with sex? I’m trying to understand your logic. If you’re hungry, you’d rather eat at a five-star restaurant, but if you can’t and you still need to eat a fast food place will do the job. Paying a sex worker isn’t better than a healthy partnership, but it’s better than no sex and it’s less stressful than putting up with a poorly behaved woman. If you ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 12:29 PM
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Brothels and concubines are completely different. Seeing a woman at a brothel is going for a service appreciating that service and going on with your day. Keeping a woman as a concubine in my opinion is a kin to slavery. It’s about exercising your power over woman and that I would agree creates a preverse worldview of women as property. I don’t agree that that thought process extends to people who choose to purchase services from a sex worker.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 12:14 PM
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I hear women sometimes complaining about men being low effort, but sometimes we’re trying extremely hard but we can’t understand what you want so you might call it low effort but we’re putting in a lot of effort. Just not in what you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 11:52 AM
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The solution is legalizing sex work. If men can have their sexual needs, met without a relationship. It removes the bad intentions and frustrations for most men because except for men who are extremely good with women it’s cheaper and less stressful to just pay. And this will keep men in a lot better more productive moods. So, when we do interact with women, it is purely because we like you and your companionship.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 11:50 AM
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Providing for our families and living a peaceful life.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 07:06 PM
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There thinking is they want to be sexualized when they want to be sexualized and not when they don’t. However, the disconnect is that their actions, not whether they want to or not determines whether they are sexualized in that moment or not. Example, if you are dressed professionally at a business meeting and a guy sexualizes a woman that’s him being an asshole. If you post videos of yourself, half naked, twerking, & have an OF link in your bio and a guy sexualizes you then what did you expect.…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 09:31 AM
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OP, I don’t think the last guy realizes how out of touch that answer was if you’re someone who’s constantly chosen the game is easy for you, but if you’re not often given the chance to play, the stakes of every mistake is much higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 07:16 AM
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I had a situation where a girl was upset I was not making big romantic moves of physical contact but would reject the little bids for connection. It seems crazy to me how knowledgeable they want you to be and don’t understand the difficulty of what you’re trying to do and meet you halfway or be understanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 07:10 AM
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I’ve noticed that it seems really important for women that a man has friends. And as a guy, I could care less if a girl I’m dating has no friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 04:43 AM
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Stop listening to what women say and become the best version of yourself. Don’t be an asshole be a normal human but don’t help a woman who is not sleeping with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 04:36 AM
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Not a lie. Your point about men feeling lied to is referring to men feeling lied to on a societal level about what they need to do and who they need to be in order to be attractive to women. I’m talking about communication on an individual level.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 11:21 PM
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Guys want a woman who will communicate what she wants and needs and if you are not good with women, unfortunately shallow woman will communicate what they want more however it’s unreasonable what they want and they are probably using you. A lot of good women do like good decent men, but they don’t want to be the one ever taking the lead in anything so it’s difficult to figure out what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 12:17 PM
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Your last one is 100% a thing. Men care a lot less about your beliefs compared to women caring about men’s beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 12:05 PM
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I would argue people are not good at choosing their own partners so we should normalize matchmakers helping.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 11:54 PM
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We just had a hostage release in Israel, Palestine, and the plan outlined was to release the women first. I want equality, but if it’s just equality when it comes to privileges and not responsibilities, then I’m not okay with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 07:13 AM
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Yeah, guys do all that for women because that’s what they want. Unfortunately men want sex and some of them don’t even do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 06:18 PM
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No, “boring” consistency is awesome.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 03:24 PM
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The second shit hits, the fan feminism goes out the window. When we are saving people, we say women and children first if you really believed you were equal, you would be outraged by that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 01:59 PM
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I think for that to be viable, it would take a major culture shift, of sex being seen as just a fun activity between friends. Which I think will not happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 01:52 PM
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Let’s be fair to him. He’s not advocating for pedophilia. He said informed meaningful consent and a minor can’t consent. That being said, I don’t agree with his argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 01:47 PM
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Yes, unfortunately, I wish we could be honest. Because I think for a woman, the right advice is to wait until you are with the right person and for a man the right advice is just get it done as soon as possible, so you that you know what you’re doing with the right person.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 07:57 AM
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What are some good low or no cost date ideas?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 07:51 AM
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Unless the number zero why would you open that Pandora’s box? It doesn’t matter and they don’t need to know unless the number is zero then it’s very important for them to know.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 01:27 AM
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I think it’s a double standard if you’re a woman who waits to find the right person and don’t end up losing your virginity till you’re 30 no guy who actually likes you is going to care or think this is too late. If he really likes you, he will be patient. Guys who have a problem with this usually just want to use you for sex and move onto the next one, but those are not guys you should want to be with anyway. Whereas I think most women would have an issue in the reverse case. Unless you are both…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 01:21 AM
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I would argue if you do have racist thoughts towards a group it’s better for both of you not to date. That being said, having a normal conversation person to person would be good to help breakdown, the incorrect preconceived notions that you have so that you can hopefully grow as a person in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 11:18 AM
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On an individual level absolutely. Now if you wanna analyze on a societal level, why this is and what factors contribute to it. You can break down the xenophobia in that and I don’t think people should be offended. If you look to analyze the reasoning and see that is rooted in xenophobia. But that doesn’t change the fact that on an individual level, you can choose not to date someone because you don’t find that race attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 11:12 AM
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People need to stop excessively worrying about other people judging them. If you don’t wanna date someone you don’t have to date them. Some of the reasoning of not wanting to date people from different cultures is xenophobic and some is not. It’s OK you don’t have to date them regardless of whether your reasoning is xenophobic or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 10:51 AM
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No, unmarried childless men are extremely bad members of society by and large. Most of men’s motivation is to impress women and provide for their family. So without that, they lack happiness and purpose.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 10:39 AM
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Most people don’t think that strategically also if the US had a viable socially conservative economically liberal party, a lot of people would subscribe to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 10:35 AM
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In a small community, shunning people is a tool to say to the rest of the community. Don’t go outside the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 10:33 AM
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Because biologically people want to have kids both men and women. Getting married and having kids is our societal default so when you go against that people will look at you like you’re weird. A lot of parents want grandkids and it’s extremely normalized in our culture for parents and older aunts and uncles to have that expectation which if you think about it, objectively is a little weird, but it’s so normalized and accepted that if you push back on it you’re seen as the weird one. A woman who …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 10:30 AM
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There are two types of daters. Casual and serious. If you are serious and arguing this because of the reasons you stated, ability to raise a family there’s no issue. People are upset by casual daters because they are wasting your time and money for their personal enjoyment. And often wanting a lot and offering nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 10:43 AM
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I’m saying choose what you want and own it for yourself. People will hate no matter what you do. But if you own what you want you can ignore the people who don’t matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 06:54 PM
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There are two lines of thinking. Guys who want meaningful relationships with good women and guys who just want to use as many different women for sex often. These groups do not think the same way cause they don’t have the same goal. You have to think for yourself do I just want to go out and have enjoyable sex or do I want a meaningful relationship then ignore the advice from guys who are in the other group because the other group will criticize you. The problem is when you go back-and-forth the…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 02:44 PM
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I just don’t think most are mutually beneficial. I’ve been burned too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 04:40 AM
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It goes both ways. Basically the more attractive you are the more BS people will put up with. But the good attractive ones usually get taken early because everyone wants to be with them so the thought process is the ones who are left have something wrong with them both men and women. Of course there are good attractive people but the thought process you’re talking about is that if you haven’t found one that checks all the boxes by 24 you have to prioritize which boxes are most important because …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 09:26 PM
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No, this is an important conversation because a lot of people feel strongly about the word need so this is relevant for people to talk out. The point of this sub is to understand other people‘s point of view, and hopefully move on with consensus and/ or understanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 06:57 PM
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Certain things should not be left to a capitalist market, and those all fall into that category among others. The market introduces perverse incentives and this is better left to the government which should have the goal of reliably serving the people not being most profitable. Need or want is bad framing. I think most people who are upset by the framing of need believe if it is classified as a need then they are responsible for making sure that everyone gets that and those are two different iss…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 06:53 PM
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I agree that this is a tired debate, but the problem is not need versus want it’s whether you are required to fulfill someone else’s needs or not answer no. Intimacy is a need. People are very mentally unhealthy without that hence all the people here who you complain about if they were having intimacy in their lives, they would not be here saying stuff to get you angry. But to reiterate, the core of the problem is whether we are responsible to provide for other people’s needs or not answer no. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 03:49 PM
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You just don’t spend much time thinking about us, and from that get a false sense that you don’t need us but you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 03:38 PM
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Not unless you’re like Leonardo DiCaprio and dumped them once they turn 25 to get with the hot new thing. Most men would rather just stay with a woman who makes them happy and have a calm, stable home and family so that’s not hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 03:31 PM
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Just do this for yourself mentality that women have is just not realistic that’s not how men are. No matter how much women want men to just do it for themselves. That’s not gonna happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 03:26 PM
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Whoa! I’m saying men would be less ambitious play and watch sports and video games. And drink beers with the guys. And this would be bad because they wouldn’t care about doing all the other stuff they do to improve society because the reason we do that is to impress women. Why do you take it that we would be psychopaths? Most men find the idea of raping a woman to be repulsive.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 03:24 PM
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In some cases, that doesn’t change the fact that you need men. Don’t move the goal post.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 03:17 PM
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Maybe I kind of agree that’s kind of why I say don’t be platonic friends with women. This doesn’t mean go out of your way to be a dick to women just be a normal human being, but don’t do things for them out of the kindness of your heart unless they are family or you are in a relationship with them. But then I think it’s important for men to be more supportive friends to each other. And unpopular opinion legalizing sex work would really help get rid of the desperation.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 03:13 PM
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But think about when you do have a problem who does come and fix it most of the time, men. You call the handyman or the plumber usually men. There’s a fire who’s coming to save you primarily men. You need the police primarily men. Even tech-support usually men although I’m not saying women can’t do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 03:05 PM
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That’s just not how men are a lot of men’s drive is to impress women at the core. If men did not have this drive, it would be overall bad for society. If men were not driven to impress women, we would do the minimum work we need and then just get together with the guys and play and watch sports or video games.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 02:56 PM
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Women might say they want a man to be vulnerable and show emotion but a lot of guys experience when they do a woman is not attracted to them. So having this experience causes a lot of guys to bottle it up because they have to be her fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 02:51 PM
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Maybe because if you’re insanely selfish and greedy and hoard all the resources nobody will actually like you so having transactional relationships is just normal for you. Also shame people for being a capitalist not a virgin.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 02:40 PM
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While I think you have some points, I don’t think this is realistic. We as a society would have to implement changes to improve people‘s lives in order for men to be comfortable. Changes like a four day work week to allow people time to connect with other people, higher wages, greater worker protection. Things to allow men to have a happy fulfilling life outside of working. Because men are happy to work extremely hard and endure a lot if at the end of the day, they get to go home and fuck their …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 09:08 AM
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Well, you’re half right people in general really do suck and they do a lot of bullshit, regardless of gender. I can’t understand why anyone would enjoy dating. I’m wasting my time and money to spend time with people I don’t like, lol. If you need to just vent because someone hurt you that’s fine. I get it. I dealt with a really shitty woman and if I talk to someone about her, I don’t want people saying it’s not all women I’d rather you listen and say where you think she sucked. But if you want t…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 01:15 PM
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Cool, we don’t owe you friendship if we choose to spend our time with men doing stuff we enjoy or women who want a relationship with us you can say the same. You missed the point of what I was saying. The point is it’s hard to see past your perspective just like you don’t understand guys perspective most of us don’t understand or care about your desire to feel attraction. If I don’t want to spend time with a woman who doesn’t like me because I would rather use my time to find one who does you’re…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 05:23 AM
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What are you upset about?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 05:11 AM
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Most guys don’t understand or care about you feeling attraction. For us it’s simple, is she cute enough to allow me to perform? Most of the time the answers yes. And is she a decent human being, who’s not gonna make my life miserable every day? That’s enough for you to be considered wife quality. Women don’t understand how so many men are not shown basic kindness from women so for a lot of us that’s enough for us to feel attraction. Just like how most women don’t understand or care about men’s p…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 02:47 AM
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Hence, why we need to stop this gender war nonsense and organize against the 1% who is making all our lives suck.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 01:57 AM
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If you’re not in the small subset of men who are over 6 feet and have money, they don’t view you as a person. So for them, the statement is true that the bar for those men is on the floor and they don’t see anything wrong with saying that because they don’t view anyone outside of that subset of men as an actual human being. What I’m not sure is if they see regular guys who will do a lot more and in their head just say yes, but I want the hot guy to do it or if they completely ignore that and don…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 03:36 PM
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No, I clearly stated if the decision is to take care of the kids and do what’s best for your family that should be supported. In that case you are partners doing what’s best for your kids that should be respected. This is totally different from someone who just sits at home goes to coffee, yoga, and looks pretty. All they are adding to your life is looks, which is fine. But they are not an equal partner in the relationship and don’t deserve the same decision-making power in relationship. Stay at…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 01:48 PM
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Well, that’s why they dynamic of why you’re staying at home is very important if your partners and you do this because you think this is the best way to raise your kids you’re both contributing to the family and can make decisions together. If the man is just providing everything and letting the women sit at home, she is not adding anything to the relationship and should not have an equal say in the decision-making. She’s attracted to a man who takes control and needs to except the pros and cons…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 08:48 AM
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Absolutely! It’s better if it’s a partnership. If you are staying at home because you want kids and this is the best way for you to divide responsibilities for your family we should be supportive of couples who decide to make this informed decision for their family. Women are adults, if they want to be with a guy who provides everything and lets them stay at home. We should be honest with them that that comes with pros and cons privileges and responsibilities and if they want to accept that at t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 08:38 AM
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The problem or danger is, we can’t have a full conversation in open society to properly inform girls of the pros and con of this type of relationship. Women think they can have it all and feel hurt when they realize they can’t, but if people make the informed decision their adults they can do that. If you want to be a stay at home girlfriend and your boyfriend can support you. That’s fine. Understand you’re taking on the responsibilities of taking care of the house cooking cleaning housework is …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 08:26 AM
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He might not know what he’s really into because he doesn’t have enough experience to give an adequate answer but a lot of women don’t like the answer, I don’t know yet and don’t want to be the one to figure it out with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 08:04 AM
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Men and women are not the same. Marriage is a great deal for women so it’s dumb in our perspective if you don’t do that. Womanizers in the RP space love damaged and damaging women because it’s easier sex. The majority want families so we can acknowledge RP truths about female nature and be frustrated that Womanizers are ruining women so that good men who want families can’t find wives or get wives who are not wife material.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 10:02 AM
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This isn’t not liking women. This is not respecting their ability to make sound decisions. You can love your child and be frustrated that they constantly make the same mistake.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 09:48 AM
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The reflexive feeling of disgust is true but we really don’t care who a random guy is with and more importantly if a guy likes you he could care less what other people think. If he’s treating a fat woman who gave him kids like a queen more power to him. Also, even if we reflexively felt disgusted we can still be kind but we are not going to keep it up if she is not kind back or just being annoying. If we want to have sex with her we would put up with it or pretend like her ideas are interesting.…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 09:28 AM
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You don’t understand how men’s minds work. We are annoyed with how much we have to constantly coddle women’s feelings or pretend like you are actually making a good point and when it’s with someone, we don’t want to have sex with we don’t need to hide it. No one gets mad that guys have sex with fat girls. A lot of them are better people, wife quality personality, will give you a lot less of a headache than attractive women because they know they can’t get away with the same crap that hot girls c…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 09:06 AM
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No, you’re assuming they’re dating on rationality rather than just emotion. They will continue to make the same bad decisions because those guys make them feel good and men who are actually good for them don’t feel exciting. And their friends will give them bad advice to reinforce their bad decisions while reassuring them that nothing is their fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 06:09 AM
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Double standards exist for a reason. The problem with Bonnie Blue is she’s putting these young guys penises on the Internet and they don’t understand how this can affect their future. Keeping in mind that this won’t negatively affect their future as much as it would for a woman, it could still have a negative effect on them and using them is exploitative. Women will very often get fired if pictures of them naked show up on the Internet because the feeling is they cannot be taken seriously anymor…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 08:30 PM
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If she declines because she doesn’t like how he proposed to her, she doesn’t like him she likes being in a relationship and the pageantry of it he’s just a replaceable piece and for his sake, I hope he gets out of there. If you like a guy, your choice is whether you want to marry him or not. Not about how you want to be proposed to.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 01:41 AM
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You have no idea how hard it is for most men to get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 01:37 PM
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The reality is we are better together and very few people are really truly happier being alone. We need to teach men what it means to be a husband and women what it means to be a wife. Yes, you have the right to choose anyone but we shouldn’t pretend that people making dumb decisions are doing something great just because that’s their choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 07:10 PM
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He’s your brother why not encourage him to talk to a professional rather than judge him if his own sister who has the least reason to feel unsafe is shunning him imagining how the rest of the world will treat him and how he will become.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 07:25 PM
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Is he talking to a professional? I could understand that you’re SO is not a person he would like to revive a message from but it would be good to have someone he could talk to who is a neutral 3rd party. If he loves his dad and is not ok with the family splitting he’s not going to be respective to your SO.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 07:17 PM
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Men and women are not the same. You know women have less time to have kids. When a lot of us are young you guys don’t want us but while men get more desirable as they become more successful, women are more desirable when they’re younger and able to have kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 07:59 AM
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I don’t think so. There are plenty of great guys who will contribute a lot to the house hold but the guys women are attracted to and will hook up with don’t have to do that work, so why would they. We all get judged by what they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 07:47 PM
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What if the preference is because they want a family?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 07:37 PM
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Unfortunately that’s not a given.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 01:04 PM
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Just had a curiosity do you have examples of people who are actual TERFs versus just anti-trans but in accurately considered TERFs?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/24 09:25 PM
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Most normie people consider J. K. Rowling to be a TERF so I think it’s fair to include her. It would be interesting to read an analysis of why J. K. Rowling is anti-trans and not feminist but for the sake of this conversation since the average person calls J. K. Rowling a TERF Ithink it’s fair to include her.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/24 09:22 PM
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But neck beard is less bad because you’re shaming a part of someone’s appearance that they can change where has insulting their penis or vagina your insulting something that they’re born with, can’t change, and has no effect on their character. The point is it’s really mean, but not dehumanizing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/24 09:13 PM
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Women actually really do feel like this because what we have to remember is most women don’t like most men. They live in some imaginary world where only the guys they find attractive “should” want sex. So in their La La Land if you’re “too short” and you want sex, you’re a shitty guy. “Too nice” and you also want sex, shitty guy. The reality is, we know there are a lot of amazing men out there who are not always the most exciting and men need to stop coddling women who want too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/24 11:38 AM
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True answer, no people would rather be lied to than heard a truth they don’t want to hear.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/24 06:22 PM
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First, it’s completely different problems. Gay man who are having trouble with dating are able to date able to get sex, but not able to get adequate partners for commitment. That’s not at all at the level of men who can’t get any women to give them a chance. Most women don’t like most men and unfortunately feminism allows them to ignore good men for the tall, hot, exciting guy, but then they get mad he only wants sex from them. When there are plenty of great men out there but they want the hot e…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/24 08:16 AM
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I’m not sure what you mean. Are you saying men are more likely to be good at it than women? If so, I would say no the subset of men that women find attractive are more likely to be good at it, but those are the only ones you consider to be people. Are you saying that men are more likely to find good sex than women? I don’t know maybe I really don’t know. Or are you saying men are more likely to look for a good woman than good sex? If so, yes, you have the right answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 02:31 AM
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Honestly, we probably largely agree. I disagree with the framing of it as entitlement but we’re not gonna change each other‘s mind on whether it actually is entitlement or not. But even if you disagree with me strategically, I don’t think it’s a good idea to frame it as entitlement. That pushes people away. It’s better to show compassion and redirect someone. Example connection is an important human need and you need to focus on that first.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 04:30 PM
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Okay! I agree with you on the first part, but I disagree on the second. For me, I would break down the key aspects of sex its connection, intimacy, touch, and yes cuming. Masturbation doesn’t fill the need long term people who substitute are not mentally healthy if they’re not also connecting with people.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 04:22 PM
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Do you think people should be entitled to anything and if so, where do you draw the line?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 03:52 PM
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No. It’s not. I hate when people frame it as “entitlement”, it’s not. But from a strategic perspective, do you think you’re going to change peoples mind acting like that or by explaining that connection is a need not as high on the priorities as water, but if people don’t connect with other people, they become mentally unhealthy. And just like you need to focus on water first, then connecting with people focus on connecting with people first and then sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 03:42 PM
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I also hate the “entitlement” framework because if someone really wants to make friends and is failing at it, no one is going to criticize them and say you think you’re entitled to friends. You were just trying hard, people need human connection to be mentally healthy and are failing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 03:34 PM
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Because essentially, when you have his kids, you lock in your value. And men don’t look at their wives that way that’s just the easiest way to describe it. Most men are focused on providing for their family and unless they’re extremely wealthy or extremely good looking, they’re not going to want to deal with the hassle of finding someone different if their wife is treating them well. This doesn’t mean that men won’t look that’s normal, but there is a line and as long as their wife is treating th…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 09:13 AM
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Men generally don’t care if the sex is good bad mediocre just if it’s often.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 08:38 AM
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His phrasing is not the best, but his overall point is worthy of discussion, not shutting down.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 08:30 AM
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This only could work if you are extremely attractive. Most men cannot be honest with women. You are better off arguing to legalize and decriminalize sex work because men are obviously willing to spend money for sex. That allows men to have an easy way to get that need met so if they are choosing to spend time with a woman it’s because they enjoy their company or want a future. Of course they still will want sex but you are supposed to and that’s not the only thing we want.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 08:24 AM
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It’s 24 if you want the “best guy” you can get to take care of you. 30 for an attractive guy you can work together with and 35 for a good man you can work with. Unless the really guy doesn’t want kids then it doesn’t matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 05:34 PM
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It won’t get better because a pro worker message of universal programs to uplift and empower working class people and provide stability and opportunity for the next generations is a threat to wealthy and powerful elites who run both parties. Identitarian issues that divide the genders are more palatable so we are just going to get hurt in more ways than one and while we’re divided, we’re weak.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 11:15 PM
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They want you to do so much and put in very little effort. Or you could go through a lot of effort planning a date and then they think nothing of canceling.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 01:51 PM
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It’s harder for men to date in general. I’m not sure that religion is a main factor until you are considering marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 01:44 PM
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The way forward is to focus on a universal agenda that uplifts the working class this is both unifying and beneficial to young people’s future. Not only is 4B miss guided because it punishes and pushes away your allies, while doing nothing to conservative men who would likely be with conservative women. It gives red meat to men who are not getting laid because they can point to women conspiring against them and not do self reflection. And it complains about women being sexualized while in practi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 08:24 PM
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I hear you, for women dating is fun but for guys we have to put in a lot of effort, planning things that are interesting for women. Have a bunch of women cancel on us and think nothing of it and when they do decide to show up, they don’t appreciate our effort. Or push to do things that are more expensive. I just want a normal boring stable life. I personally don’t like casual, I want to have a connection or at least be with someone who has the decency to lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 05:00 AM
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Vetting is more difficult unless you move abroad or plan extended stays. You can talk and bond online but it is easier to hide stuff if they would like to. Dating on the other hand, is not fun for guys so minimizing that is an add bonus. Sex is nice but a family gives your life meaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 12:52 AM
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That’s not complaining that was breaking it down for people who don’t understand. Because a lot of guys find it frustrating when women talk about the good personality traits because that’s more socially acceptable and not the fact that they care first that he’s attractive. So if a man is not attractive, he needs to learn how to say what you want so that you will hop in bed or be himself and have women over look him.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 01:57 PM
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lol! Correct and I also enjoyed how you phrased it
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 01:37 PM
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Being a passport bro is about finding a wife in a location that you might be more attractive. Sex tourists are just looking to travel, hook up and go home.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 01:35 PM
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It’s an actual hypothesis that you can read up on, but it’s the idea that women want to sleep with the hot guy to get good genes and then if he’s not a good father, find a good guy who will be able to provide good resources, but they might not necessarily be attracted to. They’ll take his resources while denying him sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 01:29 PM
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Handsome men have the luxury of being able to just be themselves because they are accepted by society. For some people that’s being a kind genuine person for other people that’s being an assertive dick, but they’re not faking it. But they’re happier because women are sleeping with them. For men who are not attractive, we have to either constantly put an effort to be semi attractive, which is exhausting and frustrating, especially when women are wishy-washy. Or we can just be ourselves and no one…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 01:20 PM
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Some people are just nice, but the uncomfortable reality is you sleep with the attractive ones. They’re plenty of really kind men that women don’t find attractive and would rather just be friends with and that’s not good enough for us so we have to change and be something different so that women will sleep with us or be who we are and not enjoy our lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 01:12 PM
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You are right. My hypothesis is if you have a scarcity mindset, you would be more likely to engage in those behaviors because dating is hard and not fun so if you find someone okay, if you have that mindset, you’re more likely to try to work it out, which is not always bad. People with an abundance mindset would be more likely not to engage in these behaviors with the exception of number one because they believe that they can just find someone else however, this cannot be good when your willingn…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 12:58 PM
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Within the community, I saw more enthusiasm with older black men, I don’t understand why. With younger black men in my circles Gaza was a big reason why we didn’t go out and campaign for her. Or if someone said they’re unsure she wasn’t offering anything that I truly believe in so I didn’t have the heart to sway anyone. Compare that with when Bernie was running I was always happy to hear people out here. What’s important to them and then communicate based off of needs why he was clearly the best…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 10:48 AM
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I agree and disagree with you but ultimately it’s Harris and her teams fault. Women never wanna take accountability and freak out at the idea that anything could be their fault or that they ever could be to blame. They dismiss and show distain for men’s issues and problems. Or those who acknowledge it at least will say that’s a men’s issue. I don’t want to deal with that. If you’re a woman who holds the last position that’s fine but don’t get mad at men who say taking away reproductive rights is…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 10:40 AM
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They also alienated people on the left who care about Gaza and not starting wars.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 10:26 AM
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Yes, I think if we see a female president, it will be a conservative. But I don’t want that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 10:22 AM
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That’s because she has nothing to offer. If you have something to offer, you would just answer those criticisms like “very few people are advocating for that but let me tell you about Medicare for all” for example
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 10:19 AM
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Literally everywhere else women are blaming men and getting away with it. Whenever men point out or try to hold women accountable for anything they freak out. But here this is completely missing the point because it’s not men or women’s fault. It’s the fault of the politicians for decentering a positive universal economic, focused message that would improve the lives of working class, people, men, and women. Not realizing that if you constantly ignore and dismiss men’s issues or say manhandle th…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 10:07 AM
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Except for the Bernie Sanders wing, no one is offering real solutions on the Democratic side. They keep putting out technocratic means tested half measures that are extremely difficult to message and just end up pissing people off.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 09:56 AM
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That last part is the key focus on issues that help the work in class and you’ll get people who decided to stay home because it’s hopeless a reason to come out and vote. It’s on the politicians for not realizing that they can’t run on a platform of harm reduction and 2% change.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 09:46 AM
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We both know that’s true. I just wish normal people would stop burying their heads in the sand.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 01:07 PM
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Because what if the guy was doing all the right things and didn’t know that the woman he was investing in was a “whore”. It doesn’t make sense to allow her to lie to that man. He should know if it is his or not and make an informed decision on whether or not he wants to help her with the child.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 01:05 PM
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There are different levels. I think it’s a small minority of men who have had serious false allegations against them, but a lot of men have had women say bad things about them that make them look bad. Just like I don’t think most women have been raped, but a lot of women have been put in uncomfortable situations. So when the consequences of a false allegation are so devastating and unjust, it’s more beneficial for men to hold the standard that we want to investigate and punish real perpetrators,…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 12:55 PM
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100%, a true left agenda would resonate with men and women and universally improve their lives. A liberal harm reduction agenda is fine if you’re doing well, but if you’re not, it’s not enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 12:43 PM
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Maybe if the Democrats embraced the politician who ran on a pro worker, economic, focused agenda with with universal policies to improve the lives of all Americans they would’ve done better. But the Democrats will just go and blame the voters.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 12:39 PM
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It seems like you have distain for the idea of mandatory paternity test, why is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 12:32 PM
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Yes, but also Kamala needs to take some blame for running on just a harm reduction platform.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 12:28 PM
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I would look at models like the British, Canadian, or even the German healthcare system. Those all work and their three different types, but the cost is not burdensome to the people.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 12:25 PM
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I think you need to make the distinction between the left and the Democratic Party. Because a Bernie Sanders left agenda is more helpful to men and women, but what the Democratic Party offers is not. And then there’s also the thing that leftists are so annoying that even when I agree with them on economic concepts, that are much better for everyone. I don’t want to listen to women complaining about how someone made them feel bad and they want them canceled or even worse. This person holds one ba…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 12:18 PM
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They don’t want a good man they want the perfect man. So when they see a bunch of great men, they think “oh I can find someone better” or “oh I like this quality in this one and this and this one let me find one with all of these” when that man either doesn’t exist or if he does exist has no interest in them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 01:07 PM
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I know, we just need to vote out all of Democratic leadership and replace them with actual good Democrats because the current people are hopeless.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 01:02 PM
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Harris refused to separate herself from a man who was so unpopular he was forced out the election. Most Americans are appalled by Gazza and she did not do anything to adequately make people believe she cared and was gonna stop it. I didn’t want her to lose, but she deserved to lose Michigan. Also, her strategy was extremely poor if the Cheaneys want to vote for her, cool, but campaigning around with them that was too much. Then when she brought out good popular policy proposals, she stopped talk…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 01:00 PM
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Well, regardless, if it is fair or unfair this thinking got you another four years of Trump so do you want to continue down this road or not? If not change how you’re thinking because you’re gonna have to think about how men feel or you’re gonna keep getting this.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 12:50 PM
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True but his voter are a lot of poor and working class people who want change but will get bad change.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 12:47 PM
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The politicians are never gonna wake up, but unfortunately I don’t think enough people are gonna wake up and vote them out. The Democratic Party leadership did this to us, we need to vote them all out so we can have a good alternative.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 12:45 PM
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At their core, they don’t want all these freedoms that they think they want they want to follow a man, but in chasing all these freedoms, they priced themselves out from the man they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 09:11 AM
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They are all just talking and out of control emotions. Imagine how much they would control and get men to do if they organized to fuck men who acted how they want rather than ones they feel attracted to. Don’t listen to them, better yourself, and understand we have to lead they will be less annoying when they can just follow.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 09:07 AM
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No, the gender divide is causing these problems. We are better together and we need to find ways to work together and empathize with each other’s problems. The trump administration policies are going to be destructive and harmful to men as well, but when you have the Democratic Party, and women not speaking to men or belittling their issues, they will go to where they’re welcome even if they don’t like the ideas there.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 08:52 AM
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They just have to realize that we’re in it together and a good place to start is by not belittling men’s issues and struggles. Even if you think yours are more important here are the consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 08:45 AM
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And attitudes like this are the problem. Men and women are better together but both need to accept they have responsibilities because the kids lose the most with this independent nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 02:09 AM
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Yes, and women will tell other women that they should expect the man to act like a husband on day one. Then turn around and criticize a woman who does anything remotely nice and thoughtful for their man. But it makes sense, misery loves company.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 03:33 PM
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Women want so much and offer so little. But they get away with it because the one thing they do offer is the most important, having babies. They see nothing wrong with making men take all their traditional responsibilities then think it’s okay to do nothing and demonize men for wanting them to have a little responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 09:32 AM
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No, I draw the line at physical. While most men want you to shut up and be pretty and grateful for what they do. The vast majority of men are disgusted at the idea of being physically abusive. There are bad men out there who do that, but that’s not close to the majority.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 09:28 AM
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I’m talking about real life spaces such as a basketball league for example. Men need spaces to just be with other men talk and be mentored in real life. We need some time to talk to other men to be able to figure stuff out and not have to worry about moderating what we say the coddle women’s feelings. Also be real men or not interested in being your friend unless they already have a girlfriend, they are gay or asexual, or you’re really ugly, but a cool person to hang out with.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 09:13 AM
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I think it’s important for men to have male only spaces where older men can mentor younger men in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 10:39 PM
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The theory is that they want the “best guys” genes to have their kid with, their desire to sleep with the hot attractive guy. And once they already have a kid, they want someone who will be invested in the child’s upbringing good role model and able to provide resources. But a lot of times they can’t find those qualities in the same guy. So this hypothesis is women will sleep with the best, most attractive guy from a genetic standpoint until they get pregnant. And if he is not father material, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 06:47 PM
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Wife material
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 02:56 AM
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I see your point, but this is just not realistic and also counterproductive from the perspective of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/24 10:16 AM
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You’ve never dated women as a man. It is a visceral feeling of disgust because men have to invest a lot in the front end of relationships. Knowing that they don’t respect you or value any of the stuff that you’ve done for them and think it’s OK to share their feelings about other guys leaves you feeling disgusted. That is not something you can control and it is very real. This is just how it is and women need to stop complaining that we should be OK with this. It’s not acceptable. Women don’t ta…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 11:24 AM
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Yep, lol, women want you to be honest so that they can reject you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 11:14 AM
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Because the man who has test driven a bunch of different cars to stick with this analogy is more likely to know how to get the best out of her.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 11:07 AM
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Women can expire, they have biological clocks.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 11:02 AM
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Men are possessive women just need to deal with it and stop telling us to stop being who we are. when a guy is protecting women or doing things for you they are so happy to accept our possessive nature. If you like a guy, you will be so happy to be his. Men need to stop listening to women when they talk about this because they only say this to men who they don’t value.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 10:48 AM
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Both can be true
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 10:46 AM
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If you’re playing the odds, the odds of dealing with a promiscuous woman are more likely to leave you in a bad place. They need a lot of male validation and don’t understand why it is not OK for them to look anywhere else. And our culture condones a lot of horrible unacceptable behaviors from women. The mistake of being with a promiscuous woman can destroy you emotionally and financially. I would much rather girl figure things out with me, then being annoying and stubborn, but knowing who she is…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 10:42 AM
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That’s a fair starting point but women have a lot of imperfect options where a lot of guys have no option. When we do get interest we have to do all the setup work and then pay. And some women think it’s ok to just cancel. But if you split dating and relationships then I might agree dating is hard for men and relationships are hard for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 05:00 PM
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Ok, so we agree sexism affected her and people didn’t find her likeable and of course Trump is much worse and that’s probably stating it too lightly. But we disagree on the degree on which it affected her and her level of unlike-ability. I’m not sure we agree that there is more that she could and should have done. I don’t think a lot of moderates understand that the left doesn’t agree with you. We are in coalition and vote tactically with you so if you’re running at the top of the ticket, you ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 04:36 PM
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Ok ,that’s a fair place to start a conversation. I still think having too many bad opinions is better than no opinion but I think you make a fair point.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 03:18 PM
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Are you arguing that she is likable? Or are you arguing that it’s not her job to appeal to a broad-base of voters and excite them with her project? Trump is absolutely horrible and an embarrassment, but his base is excited to vote for him. In comparison to someone who we know is better but shows distain for the policies I prioritize and no willingness to compromise that’s not a gender problem that’s a bad candidate problem. But to be abundantly clear, I’m not discounting that sexism exist and it…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 02:28 PM
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What are you saying. No, you have to start from a place of mutual agreement or agree on a certain set of facts to be able to have a conversation otherwise it’s not worthwhile talking to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 01:53 PM
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It establishes that we have a basis of facts to build a rational conversation. If we can’t agree on facts, then it really is better for men to just stick together and skew everything in our favor as women are trying to skew everything in their favor.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 01:38 PM
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Thank you! Is it really that hard to admit that dating in relationships is one aspect of life that women have it easier? Apparently the answer is yes it is that hard. But let me help people understand why this is important. We need a basis of facts that we agree on to be able to have a rational conversation that moves us to a solution. If we can’t agree upon the obvious, then there’s no point in working together, men just need to stick together and skew it in our favor as women are trying to sti…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 01:25 PM
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No, I just want women to acknowledge they have it easier and dating & relationships. Other aspects of life, they have it harder but this one aspect they have it easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 12:04 PM
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Thatcher did tremendous lasting damage I stand by what I said because it’s true.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 11:05 AM
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As much as I don’t like him, he is extremely likable to his base. People don’t follow a cult leader who isn’t charismatic that doesn’t change the fact that they’re horrible. Saying things like they’re eating cats and dogs is absolutely insane, but it’s still funny. Running for president isn’t a regular job interview. You can’t just be more qualified. You have to make people want to vote for you. And if they don’t doesn’t matter why it’s your fault for not persuading them or stepping aside. Lucki…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 12:57 AM
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That’s a good point, and ultimately I think it is important to have representation throughout different levels of government. The presidency is as you say a unique role we just need to have the best person for the job in the job and if no woman rises to that standard then we just don’t have a woman president. As someone on the left and also red pill in this situation I think the woman is the better option but also had we had an open primary I don’t think we would’ve chosen Kamala Harris. Ultimat…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 10:12 PM
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Three of Great Britain’s four worst Prime Minister were their three women Prime Minister
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 09:58 PM
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Yes, political corruption is the real problem and having a woman do the same thing as everyone else is just putting a fig leaf over the real problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 09:52 PM
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No, associating hight with authority is more on women than men. There are a lot of things men are to blame for but height preference is not one. I would imagine height is a lot less influential of a factor in all male organizations or captains of men’s sports teams in comparison with coed organizations.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 09:48 PM
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I’m on the left, of course I know Trump is horrible. I would even say some of the reasons why Hillary Clinton is uniquely unlikable are more Bill Clinton‘s fault than her fault, like getting blamed for bad trade policy. But the fact of the matter is she still is uniquely unlikable. she didn’t offer anything novel policy wise. She constantly show distain for the left flank of the party. Yes, men and women are held to different standards, and I think people on the left would say obviously sexism i…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 09:35 PM
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I’m also red pilled and on the left. While I don’t think Kamala could have won an open primary. I don’t think she will lose and if she does lose, it’s not going to be because she is a woman. I think people discount how uniquely unlikable Hillary Clinton is and that’s why she lost not because she’s a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 09:00 PM
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I mean, it makes sense. We are interacting with intentions, either trying to find a life partner or someone to have sex with. Why am I going to waste time and money with a whatever happens, happens as attitude?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 07:49 AM
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This shows that most women don’t like most men. And the ones they don’t find attractive, are invisible to them. Because her answer does not even comprehend men that she’s not attracted to. And therefore she cannot understand the struggles average let alone below average man go through.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 07:34 AM
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If you are that introspective odds are you probably are not the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 07:21 AM
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I wish you the best of luck
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 01:18 PM
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If they are complaining is generally because they want too much. They have unrealistic standards that no one can ever meet. Or they offered too little. They don’t offer the things that a guy they want, wants in order to get him to commit to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 09:47 AM
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There are men with good and bad intentions just like there are women with good and bad intentions. Also, some people may have good intentions, but are just too damaged for things to work out as they intend. But Tinder is not the place where people who are serious go I would look at a different app for that Tinder is just for casual sex no matter what you say you actually want.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 09:36 AM
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Cool, looks like you stopped reading it sentence 2 rather than understanding rejection effects different people differently, but if they are rejected a lot versus always rejected, that should be taken into the equation. Of course you got a different. Should I take your response as “ women are overly emotional and should not be listened to because they’re irrational”?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 08:26 AM
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Unfortunately, that’s a part of being human. All people are different. Some people have a greater tolerance for failure. But it’s also really irritating when people don’t give you a constructive answer on why things don’t work. The absolute worst is if it doesn’t work because of some thing they did and they pretend like it was okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 02:17 AM
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No, feminism is really good for the most desirable man. It’s fine for some of the above average men who find the good women and really bad for average and below average. If you’re not one of the most attractive men, you still have to do all of those things, but they feel no need to reciprocate.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 12:28 PM
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If we really want people to have fulfilling relationships, and move towards marriage, we should normalize matchmakers. Right now it’s cost prohibitive to most people, but if it was more normalized, I think we could bring down the pricing and have more quality people meet other quality people before they get ruined by dating casual people.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 03:48 AM
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No, we should never condone anyone being a criminal or choosing to manipulate another person. The reality is in order for our society to function. Sometimes you have to do things you don’t want to do. Men understand this women are allowed not to.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 10:33 AM
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I literally said humans are self-interested. Not just men or not just women humans. You interpreted things that I did not even say or imply. Also, my clear implications were towards marriage and relationship. So obviously I don’t want those type of women spreading their legs for any guy. What I am saying that you don’t like is I care more about male happiness than female happiness and there’s plenty of good enough guys so calm down and pick one because if you wait to long they spoil.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 11:58 PM
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They just don’t want to ever except that women should have responsibilities. They want us to believe that women can and should just be able to do whatever they feel like and never have to do anything they don’t. Most of us don’t wanna go to work, but no one would tell a man if he doesn’t feel like it he shouldn’t have to. That’s just dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 02:57 AM
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Yes, humans are self interested. If women keep holding out for the perfect guy, they are overlooking other guys and we only care about men having a chance not you finding your perfect person because they might not exist or want you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 02:42 AM
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I don’t think Fomo is a big concern for guys in a happy relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 03:09 PM
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In the US prostitution is illegal in all, but one state. I don’t see that as being a big threat to stable relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 02:59 PM
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Normalize matchmakers. it solves the issue of no one, wanting to make the first move, and people being stuck with people there incompatible with in terms of relationship goals.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 12:25 AM
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If being friends with women makes you constantly feel rejected and is reminder you are alone and unwanted the friendship is more harmful than good.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 04:27 PM
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But it’s a big difference if you’re friends because they find you attractive or if they find you useful. If your friends because they find you attractive either their friends with you but they want a relationship with you or they like sleeping with you, but you don’t provide well enough for them to want a relationship in the first case is good to be friends in the second case is only good if you also don’t want a relationship with her. You should absolutely avoid when she finds you useful, then …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 04:20 PM
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Exactly bro, and that’s the point that being regular friends is not beneficial to guys. People argue that it’s good to get a woman’s perspective on certain things which it is, but the things where they can offer a good perspective, I would rather talk to a woman in my family or they are things you can ask any acquaintance. But people use that to imply that women have a helpful perspective on dating and relationships which they don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 11:35 AM
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There are things that women are better at them men however the benefit to a man from being friends rather than acquaintances in my opinion is zero. I think it’s good to have female acquaintances however, it’s a waste of time to be friends. If you like each other more than acquaintances be in a relationship or you’re wasting your time.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 05:15 AM
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As you get older, it’s important to build for the future. The time, attention, effort, and money that you have to put into a friendship with a woman versus an acquaintance is not worth it, considering you are not building for future together. If you are friends, you still have expectations as a man that you have to fulfill, and they feel no obligation to reciprocate. With my friendships with other men, there is no pressures or obligations however, they reciprocate effort and don’t expect you to …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 05:03 AM
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I think too many people don’t understand the difference between a friend and an acquaintance. I think it’s good to have female acquaintances, but it’s a waste of time to have female friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 10:45 PM
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I think your age is extremely important in this question and also if you already have a relationship. In your 20s, I think it’s fine to just be friends with whoever makes you happy in your 30s especially if you wanna have kids. It’s a waste of time being friends with women. It’s a better use of your time and resources to focus on work and building a family and female friends are a liability because often they want to be treated like a girlfriend when it benefits them and a friend when it would b…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 10:42 PM
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Yes, we have the technology. Why not at least have an opt out system.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 02:39 PM
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In a small town where everyone knows everyone I would think the consequences for speaking up would be higher if you can’t definitively prove allegations. Also if people like the guy or just think he adds more value to the community people could believe a someone and not care. So while I think only a very small percentage of men are abusers, I would also say just because you don’t hear about it doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. It probably does people just don’t talk about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 04:40 PM
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Because an average good girl is generally a lot easier to deal with so he ends up getting the better end of the deal there and women’s value depreciates quicker, so they get the worse than the deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 03:44 AM
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You’re overlooking two factors. You’re operating under the assumption that they are able to normally attract someone. If you can’t, and your options are have a Golddigger partner or be alone a lot of people would rather have a non-ideal partner. Second, if someone really prioritizes having kids. It’s better to have the non-ideal partner who can give you kids then someone who actually cares about you but is unable to give you a family. I say this because I am assuming in that scenario you’re dati…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 04:29 AM
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That is not all that is there, that is all that you feel attraction toward.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 02:07 AM
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Putting up with canceling. If nobody is sick, dead, or dying it should not be ok to cancel.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 02:03 AM
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A partner needing to much space and alone time. If we only have one matching day off every 2 weeks, it’s not unreasonable to expect to be prioritized over time with her friends on that day.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 01:58 AM
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It varies woman to woman. If guys stop helping you or call you mam when they help you… you hit the wall. For me it’s [ (looks + usefulness) - annoyingness= Wall]. But usefulness for men is different from usefulness for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 06:49 PM
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Dating is much easier for women than men in general. Although we should not confuse ease of getting sex with ease of finding a meaningful relationship. I get that desperation is not attractive but I think that is a human flaw for both men and women. There are plenty of really good people who if you took the time to get to know them would be great partners and them really wanting a relationship is not a smart thing to hold against them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 06:32 PM
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Depends if they’re dating or not if they are dating they also don’t have extra money and they don’t the benefits of a relationship. Also, freedom is overrated. I would rather have a security of a relationship and not be able to do some thing I want to do sometimes then to have the freedom to do whatever I want and no one being supportive in my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 10:47 PM
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If a woman who is declining in value meets a man who got no attention and are finally coming into his value before he realizes his value it’s really easy for her to lock him down.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 01:42 AM
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100% I don’t understand how people can’t grasp if love is not an option for you a transactional relationship is much better than nothing. And being “your self “ single waiting for the “right person” is exhausting and unappealing compared to having someone who you know doesn’t really like you but will satisfy your need if you do what she requires.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 10:41 PM
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I think the real problem is that the men most women like are not the ones that treat them well. And the men they are not sexually attracted to, they want to just treat them as people. But men want to get laid so they can’t just say to men, we want you to treat us like people and not have sex with most of you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 10:34 PM
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Treating women as people was a huge mistake. When I just got to know them and just talked to them as people, I had a lot of women wanting to be friends. After viewing them as a means to an end I removed the time wasters and only have women who are sexually open. Which is better, I don’t need their friendship.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 10:08 PM
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Lol, as KS use to say you’re using sign language (Shame, Insult,Guilt, Need to be right) 50,000+ years ago people were in a small village so it was not hard for guys know. Preference for low body count, hight and weight are almost universal. While blond or brunette, as well as big versus small boobs vary more person to person. If you want to sleep around you can just don’t expect to be respected.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 04:13 PM
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Men evolutionarily preferred women with low body counts, because historically we had to ensure paternity. But now it’s less important we have other ways of verifying. Women evolutionarily prefer taller guys but now you don’t need that because of how our society has advanced. However, no one seems to say to women and says we live in a civilized world now you don’t need that preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 08:45 AM
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Because they are seeing the rewards of their hard work(good/fulfilling job), so the hard work is worth it or they are still having children so the hard work is necessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 02:59 AM
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I think the idea of just doing things for yourself is a lot more appealing to women than men. Working sucks, I’ll give everything to work for my family or if I would be recognized or appreciated. But a lot of people are overworked in thankless jobs that suck so if you feel like no matter what you do, your life won’t get better you might as well do the bare minimum and go home.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 02:40 AM
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Personally, I find dealing with human emotions annoying especially if I’m not getting something in return and the other people has no incentive to control their emotions. So robots seem great to me. Women can be shitty too but they don’t have consequences because men still want to have sex with them. Flaking on dates is shitty and we let women think that is okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 03:03 AM
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You are not engaging with the premise, if I gave you all of what you said is true and we have sex robots, problem solved. Men who become “shit humans” because they can’t get laid are not shit humans. And when they have their lives together, they are not ruined and great partners. Where’s the problem. Except now women will have to put in more effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 02:35 AM
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The assumption is not that women don’t get into debt going to school and try to get a high paying job. It’s just that men don’t care about that. It’s a nice bonus if we already like you but you’re career success doesn’t make a woman more attractive like it does for a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 01:41 AM
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What if helping them is just letting them experience sex. Then sex robots can help them and people can freely acknowledge the problem without other people getting upset because of the obvious implications.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 08:49 PM
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No, I think a lot of men who are building in their 20’s and getting a lot of rejection all the time will take this alternative, save a lot of money, and not be ruined by all the rejection when women will start giving them attention after they are more established. Women do ruin good men by constantly rejecting them but I think robots would help protect against good men being ruined by the time women actually want them. Also if all men can now freely get sex the reason for a relationship is compa…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 08:40 PM
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Women will have to adapt because men won’t need to put up with them being so difficult. But also men won’t get ruined over time with all the rejection.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 06:20 PM
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This is why I would amend what OP said to most women don’t like most men. There are a few men that will give you that feeling but most women are competing for those same men. And other men are invisible. This doesn’t mean they are bad potential partners they just don’t make you feel right away. But what I don’t understand as a man is why women value their female friendships so much. To me a family is so much more important so I would gladly put guys on the back burner for a good woman or be happ…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 11:17 AM
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This is very well put. I also don’t think men have higher libidos it’s just that women are more picky. For men there are a lot of reasons to really like and enjoy women it’s just that sex is the most important. So, unfortunately I think you’re really right about your last sentence. “ We tend not to like people who have some thing we really want and they aren’t willing to share it with us.”
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 11:04 AM
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It’s not weird, generally, women benefit more from these platonic relationships and men generally lose a lot more. Friendzoning generally allows the woman’s needs to be met without fulfilling the man’s needs. So, women have no reason to complain about a good thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 10:49 AM
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Chill, I’m just trying to understand your point of view. No judgement.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 08:01 AM
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So are you saying this generation is different and better?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 10:56 PM
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Do you have any male friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 10:53 PM
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Yes, it is. You have to be attentive and woman don’t find most men attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 11:59 AM
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The point is women don’t give most men the time of day when they’re young. Ideally yes, they would want to pair off young but women don’t want to. Only the top men don’t want to settle down.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 11:56 AM
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Ok, but a lot of men are hurt and have spent a lot of time feeling unwanted. Also, women have biological clocks a man may emotionally prefer an older woman but prioritize family. That’s not see younger women as a trophy. It’s understanding you can’t have everything and choosing what is important to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 11:39 AM
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I’m sorry to hear this. Many of us know what this sexual invisibility is like, I just hope they empathize with you as well. I know we need to change something to help people get together but I’m not sure what.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 11:34 AM
2

Nice! I’m thinking about Colombia
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 03:03 AM
2

But if they are actually your friends tell them what they need to fix so they can be better and live a meaningful life. Don’t let them be losers who want to do what is right for you but don’t know how. And yes if men who are turds but get sex stopped getting sex they would figure out quickly not to be turds.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 02:18 PM
0

Sounds like they are choosing the wrong men. Maybe they should have checked their friendzone rather than going with their feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 01:44 PM
3

I think the better solution is advocating for higher wages and more free time so people can go out and be with each other. Humans are social animals and get messed up if they are alone too much. Also constant stress destroys people. But we also shouldn’t ignore that most men are invisible to most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 01:38 PM
1

Yes, fathers have meaning and a reason to defend this society. If I had a child I would feel the same way and do anything to protect them. But “ a child cast out by its village will burn it down just to feel it’s warmth.”. You can help men figure out how to attract women and build allies or not. Most men don’t really want to go down the RP rabbit hole but they are the people who will talk to men when they’re reachable.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 01:22 PM
7

True because in our society, a man who prioritizes family will get career advancement opportunities because they are seen as safer and more stable. Whereas a woman who does will be overlooked based upon our expectations of traditional gender roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 01:04 PM
4

Yes, but people need to realize work won’t love you back
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 12:57 PM
2

Yes, work hard and get your Passport bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 12:55 PM
4

Yes, and they just get mad when they don’t like who is willing to compete for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 12:49 PM
2

No, they dreamed of it in the past but likely society beat the hope out of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 12:45 PM
0

Having the bare minimum to survive isn’t enjoying. And the only reason men go above and beyond is for women. Whether it be the desire to have a family and provide for them. Working with a wife to build a legacy. That feeling of being needed is the prize. I don’t think this selfless mindset is bad however the other side of it is if you don’t get women you don’t care about society because you have no stake in the game. Also, unfortunately, some men just want to compete with other men and the valid…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 12:02 PM
0

I’ve learned that most women don’t believe in reciprocity unfortunately
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 09:14 PM
1

No
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 09:05 PM
3

Also, shorten the workday one hour and mandate gym time or some other physical activity like rec sports leagues
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 02:23 AM
1

Key word, attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 02:16 AM
0

Dating is garbage, normalize match makers.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 02:11 AM
2

I would just look in my friend zone and give that guy a shot. If I have a strong father, brother, or male cousin I would have them meet the guy to help vet him. And I would center what qualities make a good husband and father not stuff like do I feel a spark. I would settle on preferences but never on values.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 10:45 AM
3

Don’t be their friend!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 02:45 PM
1

No, I don’t understand that
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 02:38 PM
1

Yes! We are on the same page
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 12:25 AM
2

What you said made me think of an… unfortunate observation/theory. I think it’s a lot easier for men to except losing out to another man rather than a woman choosing no one over them. Just a theory, let me know if I’m onto some thing or if that needs to be workshopped more. I think it’s a lot easier to except rejection if you are excepted some of the times vs rejected all of the time. I had seen some thing that a good video game is designed to have people win 30 to 70% of the time because if peo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 05:56 PM
1

No, my underlying argument is women cause men pain all the time and they have no empathy. So men shouldn’t care when other men cause women pain. Unless the woman is investing in you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 03:01 PM
3

Complaining is also just annoying… but now I’m complaining about complaining lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 02:47 PM
2

If we were smart we would just legalize SW. And to answer your question at the end a lot of excluded or “unworthy” men would say yes not realizing that also means they would probably get killed.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 02:42 PM
1

100% you nailed it with this answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 02:37 PM
1

I agree with most of what you said but there is a difference between red pill content creators and red pill audience members. While the content creators message using women as disposable fuck toys, most of the men in their audience just want one woman to share their life with and see the red pill message as a way to get into the door. That’s why RP content creators will talk about men who come into the community use what they learn to get a girlfriend or a wife “ One-itis” then leave and go back…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 02:31 PM
3

A big part of why the red pill has a better sales pitch than the blue pill is because it lacks nuance. People want results now. And they don’t want to hear a bunch of vague different answers that may or may not work depending on the situation and who you are and how the other person feels. People just want the cheat code roadmap to pussy but the problem is that doesn’t actually exist. But that is the dream that the red pill sells. Also, it really doesn’t feel good to blame yourself for something…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 02:13 PM
1

I get women don’t like it but all of what we do revolves around women. I would be perfectly happy just doing my job saving money and going on vacation once a year and not pushing for any more but women make us strive for more and that’s a good thing. A lot of the time men do great things because of women and we all benefit. I don’t understand why women value independence so much. It really is not that great. Adding women to your life is the difference between being alive and actually living. Als…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 02:01 PM
1

Sunday is family day other than that don’t bring your kids if you don’t like it. Just like if you bring your kid to a drag show that’s on you that’s not a place to bring a kid.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 12:32 PM
3

Don’t hate they’re just doing good business. They know what demographic of men are most likely to shell out cash for them and they are catering to their needs. I don’t see the problem with this. There is the more systemic critique of what we’re doing as a society to make so many people lonely and disconnected to the point that they feel they have to spend money on OF but these women are not creating the problem. In fact they’re making the problem less bad for the men that they are selling servic…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 12:27 PM
2

Hi, after talking to someone else I empathize a lot more with your point. While I do think lying to get laid is more of a gender issue because if a woman lied to get me to have sex with her I wouldn’t care that much. I think the most effective way to get your point across is flipping the discussion to money. I get women feel the same way if a man uses them for sex as men feel if a woman uses them for money or waist or money by being flaky. Like if you don’t want to go on a date just say no don’t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 12:17 PM
1

“We don’t make it difficult, we just don’t make it easy” that is a distinction without a difference. Regardless, average men have to put in a lot of work and jump through hoops to get sex from women or just lie to them. I guess the point I’m trying to make is you can say men who do this are horrible, but don’t be surprised that men do this or feel they have to do this. You also bring up the tinder swindler it’s much more common and widely accepted for women to use men for money. He just flip the…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 12:02 PM
0

I guess I would just say not all men but YES, I can see why you would feel those men are horrible. Just from a man’s perspective I would justify their actions because of how difficult women make it for us. But in the end we need each other and we should work on constructive of ways to help each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 06:41 AM
0

That’s Really interesting! I think from a guys perspective if you want to fuck your female friend, the friendship is untenable in the long term because men are more likely to change their mind on wanting to have sex with a female friend. Women very rarely change their mind. And eventually that will eat away at the guy until either he has a relationship and those needs are met by someone else (And in that situation, I would feel it’s unfair to my partner to be friends with someone that I want to …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 06:32 AM
1

Ok, if you’re married that probably makes it a lot easier because most men don’t want to be scum bags or are your friend because they’re your husbands friend. But I really distinguish between friends and acquaintances and if I were to guess your male friends are people I would consider friendly acquaintances. But I acknowledge that I have a much higher bar for who I consider actually my friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 06:27 AM
3

Unfortunately I don’t so it’s gonna be hard for me to escape that perspective. But it is what it is. Another huge factor is whether you are getting sex from someone else or not. I would imagine if another woman wants to have sex with you it would be easier to be friends with the woman who does not want to. But if no women want to have sex with you, it is extremely soul-crushing to emotionally invest in a woman who is turned off by you sexually no matter how much they say they like you as a perso…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 06:18 AM
2

You are absolutely right. It just sucks from the male perspective and we wish older women with teach younger women. For us the consequence is we are ignored through our 20s and in our 30s we finally get a chance after the women who rejected us are hurt. When if they had just given us a chance earlier we could’ve built a really great life together instead of rushing to have kids and build for the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 06:08 AM
1

On the last point we agree. That’s a really dumb strategy. I also have no sympathy For women who want platonic male friends only to find out they all want to fuck her. And to the first part of your response, thank you, that’s interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 06:00 AM
1

I’m just trying to point out that you’re coming at this from a very female centric lens. For women sex is extremely easy to come by but for most men it is extremely difficult. If men were to take your advice and be honest with women a small percentage would get casual sex and the woman would feel great about it but the vast majority would get no sex. I feel like women have the mindset that sex is women’s thing and only the guys they want should want it. I’m also discounting that most average man…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 05:55 AM
2

Maybe, “the hardest thing in life is to escape your own perspective.” So, for a lot of guys a woman just being a tractive is arousing and even though we emphasize men and women are different it’s hard not to view the opposite sexes actions through your perspective. That being said I bet not a lot of men clear that pass fail bar. And I would also bet guys in the friend zone don’t get a chance to try to jump over that bar.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 05:42 AM
3

No, they’re pursuing women who want casual sex. They just don’t want casual sex from them. So, they can over invest compared to the men who get casual sex from those women or they can lie to them and just get what they want and go.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 05:37 AM
2

You’re definitely not missing it, we can completely acknowledge what parts are men’s fault but I can’t believe the mental gymnastics to avoid holding any women accountable. While some of the points that she brings up might be interesting they don’t pertain to the conversation and deflect from where women should be held accountable.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 05:34 AM
2

While I am a little off put by your implications on Nuro atypical people or possibly just need a little more clarification. For the most part I agree with what you’re saying. We really do need to deal with the overall societal implications that push people towards toxic traits, men and women. We also should have conversations about ridiculous standards that don’t make sense in a modern context and the harm of continuing to perpetuate them with our dating choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 05:25 AM
3

Lol, it’s crazy the mental gymnastics some women go through just to avoid giving blame to another woman. Example, parent screwup a child. If it’s a man it’s his fault and he needs to deal with it. If it’s a woman or the father was abusive or emotionally unavailable or distant. It’s not her fault, why are you blaming women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 05:13 AM
1

While I fully agree with your sentiments that people should take care of their mental health and get support I don’t see how this supports your argument. Sure women in their 30s might realize that they went after bad guys wow curbing the good guys but it’s men who pay for their poor decisions. Also, I constantly rejecting men some men who were good guys change because that behavior is not rewarded. It’s women’s choice how men act but women either don’t realize that or don’t like excepting that. …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 05:07 AM
1

I would hold on that one, guys get their kids taken away from them by women and the family courts are biased towards women. So, there are cases of a man wanting to be in his kids life but the woman makes it impossible. Also, there are cases where the father had no interest in being a father but if a mother doesn’t want to be a mother she has options to get out of it and our society doesn’t judge.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 04:54 AM
1

Exactly, how do they expect good guys to be confident if they keep rejecting them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 04:41 AM
0

And they probably either feel used or think they are playing the long game.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 02:06 AM
3

100% agree but straight men are not trying to just be your friends unless they think you can help them get someone they like better.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 01:59 AM
1

And that’s part of the problem. Women want to exclude all but the top 20% of guys from the sexual marketplace and wonder why they can’t demand the level of commitment they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 01:50 AM
-1

By the opportunity is there and you’re in the mood. I assume you mean A hot guy is around and you feel like having sex with him. The opportunity is not there for the type of guys you probably friend zone.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 01:40 AM
5

Most guys would not get casual sex from most women if they are honest. Most women make you jump through an extreme amount of hoops if you’re not extremely good looking. So, you have to lie to women so they feel good and give you what you want. If you don’t want to feel used, fuck your friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 01:36 AM
1

I agree, if this is someone you met off of a dating app I’ve had a few interactions with is perfectly fine to ghost. If this was a friend someone you’ve known and talk to you in different context you are a bad human being to ghost.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 01:25 AM
5

Don’t like this analogy but it’s easiest way to say it. The annoyance for men is when they realize they paid more than another man for the same service or when they invest as much or more than other men but they get nothing in return.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 01:20 AM
1

Love is really but most people won’t get that opportunity.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 02:18 PM
0

I would absolutely love It if you prove me wrong. Fact is the dating market is skewed in women’s direction. If you’re an average man or below dating is not fun. The good women get taken fast because they’re honestly great people who really improve your life. So we can do what society tells us and sacrifice mail happiness for female happiness or we can stand up for ourselves and put ourselves in control.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 11:53 AM
1

If children are not in the picture I agree with you, you should end it. But once kids are in the picture it’s not about you. Be roommates and put all your effort into raising good kids even if you don’t “ love” each other you can enjoy working together for a common goal and also really love your kids. When the last one turns 18 it’s perfectly fine to leave and search for “happiness” but good luck to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 11:40 AM
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Your feelings are perfectly valid. 🙂 Just know from a male perspective you are definitely not disappointing someone especially if you wait for someone you love. As a guy, when you are having sex with someone you love good or bad sex is less important than the person you’re having sex with.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 11:31 AM
2

More wrong then good for women. If a man already believes he can’t be loved. From a male perspective, It is more beneficial because men gain so much more from being in a relationship in comparison to women in modern times. There’s positive health affects for men being in a relationship, you are not lonely if you’re in a relationship, and you have an increased sense of purpose to name a few benefits. Obviously everyone would love to be in a happy healthy relationship with someone who will build w…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 11:22 AM
3

But you’re ignoring the fact that I said there is an implicit acceptance that that real loving possibility is no longer an option for them. If you at that point believe you can only have a transactional relationship, you might as well get the better end of the transaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 06:59 AM
0

An arranged marriage and a hostage situation are completely different. I don’t see anything wrong with an arranged marriage it works in different cultures and they value family more so than selfish happiness. Your family put a lot of work into finding a good compatible person and it avoids superficial preferences while taking into account important values. You might not have the initial spark attraction nonsense but you commit to a common goal grow together and grow to love each other and that t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 06:50 AM
2

I don’t care about “happy” the goal is to have and raise kids without a wife who will try to take your kids away from you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 06:45 AM
7

Most men don’t care if you’re bad in bed. If you are wife material they are happy to take the time to help you discover what you like together.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 06:40 AM
11

Most girls don’t like to teach a guys they are considering for a serious relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 06:37 AM
2

Also, if you live in a country like the United States therapy is not you that easy or affordable to get. And what a lot of people don’t understand is there’s a difference between therapy and coaching and most people in this situation would prefer coaching to therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 06:27 AM
3

If you get red pilled later in life there’s an implicit acceptance that the good women who will build with you together are all taken and love is not a real possibility for you. So, you need to understand the transactional dating market and put yourself in a position of control because love is not an option for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 06:23 AM
3

Also, if I have to improve myself so much to be the finish article before you’ll acknowledge me. You only bring sex to the relationship so why should I respect you. In my opinion, successful blue pill men either are lucky and find the women that are willing to build with you so that you succeed together and those women are deserving of respect or They are already otherwise attractive so they don’t have to realize how most women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 06:18 AM
2

The red pill offer is clear instruction on how to improve your life and accomplish your goal while also offering clear understandable reasons why you are not succeeding. Whereas blue pill advice is extremely nuanced and admits that it’s very situational. Women’s advice is way too variable, complex, and confusing And on top of that they try to hard not to hurt your feelings, in an in person setting at least. Blue pill men and women also talk a lot about confidence but blue pill men don’t instruct…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 06:08 AM
0

That’s overly simplistic. Most men are not dangerous to you however, there is a small percentage of men who are extremely dangerous. And if it’s my job to protect you I protect you from them. The problem or at least where men take issue is women are attracted to dangerous men and take it out on weak men who will never hurt them. So while what you say is factually correct, it’s overly simplistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 05:49 AM
1

Two things can be true at the same time. They have every right to feel how they feel but they are still using you. We live in a culture that embraces selfishness. Using men is so normalize people don’t even think of it anymore. Just because it’s socially acceptable to use a person like that, doesn’t mean you’re still not using them. Sex, love, and belonging are on most peoples hierarchy of needs. Not as high as water and breathing but they need it for having a full and fulfilling life. To be cle…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 05:21 AM
1

“I have more respect for men who flat out say they can’t be friends with women,”. Cool, that’s what I say guys should work toward doing. Don’t have platonic female friends. I’m confused, do you think guys should be happy to be just friends or do you not like how I’m saying it? Just like how you feel guys are being manipulative even though that’s not their intent guys feel like they are being used even if that’s not how you feel girls intend.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 09:16 PM
1

We agree on the last part, if it becomes a pattern accountability is needed. Men definitely deserve some blame when they are friend zoned and they need to take the hard step and leave when they realize a woman just wants to be friends not pretend like you are ok with it because they don’t change their mind. But you should understand that is not easy they usually really love that person who will probably discard them like garbage and move to the next guy. Sex is not the only valuable thing in a r…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 08:43 PM
1

No, you are only considering the female perspective and never considering women can be at fault. I’ll admit men deserve some blame when they let them selves get friend zone. Men and women are different men can grow to love women over time while women friend zone. Men don’t start out being “fake friends” we try to get to know women realize we love them and don’t see the friend zone coming. With experience we learn not to have platonic female friends unfortunately we have to treat women like poten…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 07:47 PM
0

He doesn’t want to be treated like a friend. Most men only want to be that vulnerable with a woman they love. Friendship isn’t a consolation prize, it’s a prison sentence.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 05:09 PM
2

He’s just trying to share a study, give the black pill callouts a break!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 02:57 AM
1

That’s just how some men are. Or we bought into the nonsense propaganda of people saying “I found my best friend and married her”.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 02:30 AM
1

Men will sleep with an unattractive female friend too they just won’t want their other friends to find out.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 02:24 AM
-1

This is true. Knowing this fact, don’t have platonic female friends because they are using you to get their needs met while not meeting your needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 02:15 AM
3

This is the advice young men need to hear.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 02:01 AM
4

You’re definitely right but he shouldn’t make sure their emotional needs are met while his important needs are not met.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 01:58 AM
2

Women give each other horrible advice. Don’t settle is horrible advice. Settle on preferences don’t settle on values.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 10:36 PM
1

Women who keep platonic straight male friends are selfish. More so when they friend zone virgins. Just friends isn’t a conversation prize it’s a jail sentence.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 10:31 PM
3

😪you are right.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 05:21 PM
1

It depends if you have a zero-sum mindset or a rising tides mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 02:47 PM
1

I personally don’t think accelerationist strategy works for other reasons but if after making you angry they want to help you with your priorities it’s bad strategy to hold a grudge.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 02:30 PM
9

I’m assuming if you don’t like women as human beings but are sexually attracted to female anatomy that would make sense. But I would much rather have a stable partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 02:08 PM
3

I’m convinced men don’t actually believe that nonsense. They just see it as an effective tool to control women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 02:03 PM
3

That’s ignoring the acceleration strategy. The idea that more people need to suffer faster so that a plurality of people will be willing to work together for the needed positive change.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 01:56 PM
3

No, a penis sleeve would be humiliating and emasculating. I will probably need therapy after. And I don’t think I would enjoy having sex with you after that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 09:00 AM
1

It benefits a small percentage of men at the detriment of women and most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 08:35 AM
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