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Question For MenMachinecrash/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 04:45 PM
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To answer the question from the deleted post. I think another aspect is that poverty is a big incentive for people to join the military and women are more able and more likely to explore certain alternatives. Both men and women could take out student loans to fund their higher education journey. However women are more likely to do that than men. Also a poor woman could be a stripper, waitress or bartender and profit off her looks and sexuality to escape poverty. A man could do the same as well b…
/r/AntiFeminists03/08/22 02:53 AM
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Because not everyone is reasonable. Some take it for what it is and understand each sex has their unique strengths and weaknesses. They understand that this doesn’t make one sex superior to the other and they also understand and respect the existence of outliers. Other people(and these are the types that get the most attention because they’re sensationalist). Take things too far and make bold claims that certain gendered strengths are the “truly important” ones and they use that to make argument…
/r/AntiFeminists03/08/22 02:48 AM
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So if they broke up with the kids dad or were never in any kind of relationship with him to begin with. They’re a single mom, but if they were divorced they’re not? Either way you’d still have all kinds. Just more diversity among fathers than now.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/22 02:01 AM
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Basically you're arguing that externalities do not exist, unless somebody else is screaming in pain as I take my action, I'm not doing anything wrong. Externalities certainly exist. Just not in the realm you’re arguing. Thing is, externalities do exist, obviously if everybody becomes a junkie and does no work civilization collapses. If that’s what the people in the civilization desire. So be it. If they wanted to prevent collapse they’d work to avoid it. If they are apathetic towards collapse or…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/22 01:45 AM
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It’s definitely enforceable. If you have proof your job is discriminating on you on the basis of race, age, sex etc. You can hold them accountable and you may even have grounds to sue. The bureaucracy you have to go through varies per country but if your country has anti-discrimination laws they have channels for you to go through if you’ve been discriminated against.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/22 01:37 AM
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They still could be. Unless you don’t count a woman as a single mother if she broke up with or divorced the father.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/22 01:35 AM
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The fact of the matter is, we have never had more sex education, or more easy access to contraception. The proliferation of these things has been accompanied by an spectacular increase in all the things they claim to reduce, The quality of access and education varies based on where you live. Generally states with worse quality for education and access experience higher rates of disease and unwanted pregnancy. https://www.innerbody.com/std-testing/std-statistics-by-state https://www.everycrsrepor…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 01:48 AM
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You can pass legislature that stops people from letting it impact hiring practices or at the very least provide more of a safety net and recourse for justice than there was without the legislature.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 01:37 AM
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It's an opinion, you saying over and over again that it's a fact won't make it so. It is not my opinion. It’s a fact. If one chooses to be responsibly chaste and celibate, who are they affecting besides themselves? If one chooses to be responsibly promiscuous who are they affecting besides themselves? No one. That you think that this is the only consideration is where the ''opinion'' part comes in. That I think that is where the fact part comes in. See above. Flatly false, I laid out the various…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 12:12 AM
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It's not a fact, it's a value judgement made by you, ie an opinion. You saying it's a fact does not make it a fact, it remains a mere opinion. Additionally, as I said before, it is an extremely stupid opinion. It’s not a value judgement or my opinion. It’s an objective fact. Someone choosing to be promiscuous or chaste doesn’t infringe on the rights of others and impacts no one but those engaging in the respective lifestyles. It’s the same as choosing to be pierced vs non-pierced or to wear red …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 11:16 PM
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Nope racial preference. Same as ones for religion, height, weight, hair color, eye color, age, sexual orientation etc. You can not legally be denied a job based on these things but you can be denied sexual/romantic access to others based on them and that’s fine and just.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 11:01 PM
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Yes who you choose to sleep with or reject doesn’t have to follow the same standards as hiring practices in the west. Racism and racial preferences in dating are not the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 06:34 PM
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Racial preferences are not racism, one day you’ll realize such.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 06:23 PM
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No.Facts are the facts. If you look at dating app data certain demographics of people are more favored than others. Even the demographics that are unfavored don’t tend to favor each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 01:27 PM
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Dating isn’t equal opportunity. Men have their racial preferences just like women. It is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 05:44 AM
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They haven’t. If you’re cohabiting with someone in a romantic relationship for years in a state where common law marriages are a thing that may be the case but you can live separately or live in a state where common law marriages are not a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 05:44 AM
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Unjustified isn’t in the definition, unlawful is. Perhaps you got yours from a different source though. “the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.” Unlawful and unjust are two different things. Self defense can also be pre-meditated like in cases of abuse, trafficking/kidnapping etc. Some victims will pre-plan killing their attacker as a means of escape. It’s a fact and it’s not a stupid one. At the end of the day what someone chooses to do with their body within the confi…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 02:31 PM
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Marriage isn’t the only type of relationship. You can just be in a forever ltr with no marriage or cohabitation. The rate of dissolution for non marital relationships is pretty even for both sexes.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 02:27 PM
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The stigma against Asian men isn’t as bad now as it once was thanks to the export of Asian media. The flip side of that though is you have to be above average in looks to have a shot. Most dating apps probably won’t work all that well either. Hobby groups or singles mixers would be a better place to meet women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 02:25 PM
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Most are only concerned when they feel the murder is unjust. As evidenced by the fact that you don’t see people protesting self defense laws with the same fervency they do other things. Same can apply here. Chastity and promiscuity are both equally valid personal choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 03:40 PM
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That nonchalance would’ve been a more apt representation of the insult being ineffective.
/r/AntiFeminists14/07/22 01:08 PM
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I used to read through their subs before they were all banned and some of them do pay for sex. They just consider them self a sub category of incels if they do that(escortcels). The reason some are against using escorts is either the expense or they think it’s demoralizing because other men can have sex, procreate and be loved by women for free while they can’t.
/r/AntiFeminists14/07/22 03:27 AM
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What?
/r/AntiFeminists14/07/22 02:07 AM
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Since men directly and indirectly let it be known that’s what they place the most value on. How often do you hear men complain about women weaponizing sex vs women weaponizing companionship? Or women withholding sex vs women withholding friendships? Sends a clear message.
/r/AntiFeminists14/07/22 02:04 AM
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This is a reach. Incels can get other things from women if they want. The ones that aren’t socially inept anyway. They just can’t get sex without paying for it because they’re not desirable enough to get people to sleep with them for free.
/r/AntiFeminists14/07/22 02:02 AM
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Screenshots?
/r/AntiFeminists14/07/22 02:01 AM
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Nonchalance would’ve been a better representation of this take.
/r/AntiFeminists14/07/22 02:00 AM
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The stats are 1in10 https://immigrationdnatestonline.com/paternity-fraud-2/#:~:text=Paternity%20fraud%20is%20very%20common,to%20be%20the%20biological%20father.
/r/AntiFeminists14/07/22 02:00 AM
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The same obsession people have with calling others NPCs. Or that woman☕️/man☕️ trend that’s going around. They’re quick and convenient pejoratives that communicate your views about the person it’s being used against in a succinct manner.
/r/AntiFeminists14/07/22 01:59 AM
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Both. I wouldn’t casually hookup up with someone under 25 nor would I seriously date them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 01:31 AM
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To connect with likeminded people. Different spaces are for different things. Some people already have that diversity in real life so they want homogeneity when they come online and vice versa. People often use the internet to fill in gaps of their real life. If a whole sub agrees that they don’t want to talk to or read with what a certain person/type of person says it makes sense to ban them. It’s more efficient than asking each individual member to do it.
/r/AntiFeminists14/07/22 01:30 AM
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Whether you should or shouldn’t is a matter of personal opinion. Some people want spaces with other likeminded people because they’re already debating and explaining irl. So they may just want online spaces where people already “get it”
/r/AntiFeminists14/07/22 01:27 AM
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Not a news article. Men on my travels having huge age gap relationships with young men and women in the poor countries being visited.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 10:19 PM
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Yep, the military is also an option to have school paid for or doing sports to get a scholarship. It may not be to your dream school but going to a school that’s still decent and getting a chunk of your school fees paid is better than nothing and having to take out lots of student loan debt
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 06:40 PM
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It depends on what you want tbh. If you want kids and you want to vet if a woman will be a good mother mid to late 20s is a good time to get in a relationship because it allows you the freedom to take a few years and get to know her before having kids. If that’s not applicable then just stay single and screw around if you can. The reason guys usually get into relationships young is because they can’t get consistent sex from women without one.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 06:28 PM
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A guy has no way of knowing that a girl wants exclusivity until she asks for it. They do. Most just choose to ignore the signs until she makes it impossible to do so. So not sabotaging your social interactions by disclosing anything and everything that could be potentially undesirable is "veiling". Your understanding of that word is miles away from the ordinary definition. So if someone with herpes gives you a blowjob without disclosing their status is that veiling? If a woman has an extremely h…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 03:03 PM
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The circumstances dictate that. If you know/suspect they wouldn’t hang out with you if you had a Guinea pig that is veiling it
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 02:23 PM
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Exactly my point. The men I’m talking about want to be F-boys but can’t do it off their face alone. So they fish for what a woman’s dream guy is and pretend to be that to build and roster and up their N-counts. You feel forced into the F-boy direction?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 01:58 AM
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You probably have more wholesome intentions or you’re imagining a request/requests that aren’t to far of a deviation from your current personality. Maybe I’m wrong about this but idk if you fantasize about being a f-boy racking up multi digit body counts either. So your motivation for putting on an act wouldn’t be the same as other men that do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 01:06 AM
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Yeah it’s usually for 2 or more people. If they count the unborn as a person then she fits the requirements if the minimum occupancy is 2.
/r/AntiFeminists11/07/22 11:56 PM
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Blocking people you don’t want to talk to isn’t a bad thing imo. When you make an online space you’re entitled to choose who you do/don’t want there.
/r/AntiFeminists11/07/22 09:29 PM
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No problem
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 09:28 PM
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The motivation varies from man to man. Some enjoy that toxicity. Others(and I’d say this is the majority) simply view it as an inevitable function of hookup culture. They’re men who are attractive enough to pull women but not attractive enough to be f*ckboys off their face alone. So if they want to sleep with a lot of women relatively quickly they have to pretend to be her dream guy so she’ll put out. They do this and end up building a roster because some of the women stick around for a bit hopi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 03:08 PM
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They probably did scroll through your post history to see what communities you’re active in and how you identify. That’s always how it goes with these things. If you make a comment that tips them off, they’ll scroll your history and ban you.
/r/AntiFeminists11/07/22 12:22 AM
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You have post that explicitly states your gender. Unless you’ve changed your gender since then.
/r/AntiFeminists11/07/22 12:14 AM
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You know you can just ban them here too if you think it’s an unfair double standard.
/r/AntiFeminists11/07/22 12:13 AM
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I’ve read and seen how they lived and from the accounts of people there it was mainly isolated to major cities like Tehran. Women in rural areas lived the same as women in modern Iran. Secondly the internet in 1989 was nothing like it is today, same with dating apps, globalism etc. Things have changed radically that have now added new variables to the mix.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 11:09 PM
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Ok so women are also not putting on an act when they lie about their N-count and other things men like/don’t like. They’re just “dating” and later on may find out the don’t like the man and then they move on. Glad we agree(: In the cases I’m talking about the guy doesn’t break up with the girl. They just stop acting like the guy she likes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 11:07 PM
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Yes, that’s what they want. So to them women’s rights, dating apps, the internet, modern divorce laws etc is the opening of Pandora’s box because the social conventions that would have allowed them to have a wife and get free sex and labor from her have gone away. Now they have to compete with looks and charm and some of them can’t hack it in one or both departments.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 11:06 PM
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It’s the sexually unsuccessful men that want it. The codependency is a price they’re willing to pay to have a socially forced bang maid.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 07:00 PM
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Books written by the following authors some got turned into movies: E.L James Stephanie Meyer(although her content was most for teenage girls) Anna Todd Lorraine Heath Elise Kova etc Basically romance and erotica that caters to what women desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 06:59 PM
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For men who don’t like it, it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 06:08 PM
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To this degree yes. What other time in history have women had internet access on this level, coupled with financial freedom, and social programs and protections aimed at facilitating their advancement? Middle eastern and Asian women didn’t have the same level of freedom as western women for the same duration of time. The less that has been given the easier it is to take away.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 04:26 PM
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Nope. They care but some will settle if they can’t get what they want fast enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 04:24 PM
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Female gun ownership is on the rise and unless you completely get rid of birth control, start culling women and have them on watch 24/7 that’s not going to go over too well. Especially now that they know what the alternatives are. Pandora’s box has already been opened, it’ll be a long bloody fight to re-close it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 03:52 PM
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You assume it’s master manipulation. It’s not. It’s simply pretending to do/be what the woman wants until you get what you want out of her. It’s not hard to do and plenty of men do it if they don’t have the looks or game to just get women as their natural selves. So if she says she likes chivalrous guys he’ll be Prince Charming until he gets sex, if she likes guys are into xyz hobby he’ll entertain her interests until it’s no longer beneficial to do so. If she likes guys that are good listeners …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 03:48 PM
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Currently alive I’m assuming means all demographics(age, ethnicity etc) I’d say about a quarter were virgins when married but only a minority married virgins themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 03:43 PM
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Exactly! If you tell them straight up they’ll just pretend until they get what they want. You won’t be able to properly evaluate him that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 02:24 PM
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Yeah I understand what you were saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 02:23 PM
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So you say yet men have different standards for what they’ll hit and what they’ll commit to.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 02:22 PM
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Yeah. There’s pros and cons to each. 28-34 seems to be the sweet spot for things to come together in terms of finances and fertility so long as you were responsible and kept yourself in good health. Well whether or not she’s right depends on how many kids you guys are planning on and if there’s known fertility issues in either of your families. If you want more than 3 kids starting earlier would give her more time to recover in between each pregnancy. If you only want 1-3 though 28-34 is a perfe…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 02:22 PM
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The person who responded said “ESPECIALLY with the younger generations” which implied they’re referring to multiple different generations of high school/college kids but that the trend is just more prevalent among the younger ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 02:13 PM
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Their pre-frontal cortex is done developing, higher energy, less aches and pains later in life and better correlation of them living longer. The early 30s is just a sweet spot in general for women to have kids. You’re a bit more mature and mellowed out than you are in your 20s but not so old that your kids will drain you like they would if you had them in your 40s. You’re financially more fit to have them because you’ve had more time to work, save up and plan for them than if you had them in you…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 02:11 PM
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That’s a narrative men told themselves because it’s easier to just be a “nice guy” than to become, hot charismatic and high status. It was never challenged much until dating apps became a thing because historically a woman needed a man to move through society so she didn’t have the freedoms to evaluate for looks and in more contemporary times(but still pre-dating apps ie:80s-2010s) people were still relatively relegated to dating within their social circles or where they lived. So looks mattered…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 01:51 PM
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I’ve come to the conclusion that us guys created that myth ourselves. Besides, most of us have shit personalities anyway. Thank you for saying this! I’m glad someone else sees it. It’s confirmed when you look at romance in media aimed at men vs romance in media aimed at women. Men project the fantasy of the fat ugly guy or the boring Everyman getting the hot girl by doing some grand gesture, winning her with personality or by luck of some woman in the “born sexy yesterday” trope finding him. Or …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 01:46 PM
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Women should be pickier and be more callous about rejecting men or just dropping them if they see behavior they don’t like. As well as arming themselves and practicing how to use their weapons efficiently in the case of a jilted ex coming to attack.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 01:17 PM
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There’s been more than 1 in 2022 so far. https://aldianews.com/en/politics/policy/take-no-answer https://www.kktv.com/2022/06/12/large-police-presence-colorado-springs-walgreens-saturday-night/ https://www.kget.com/news/crime-watch/man-convicted-of-shooting-woman-who-rejected-his-advances/amp/ https://nypost.com/2022/06/10/nj-man-sentenced-for-shooting-woman-who-rejected-his-advances/amp/ These women were not romantically involved with these men. It goes on and on and there’s more cases where th…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 01:13 PM
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You’re not following the timeline. She has a husband now the anecdotes she gave are past experiences. If it’s stuff that happened on the school bus it was probably high school or college aged boys. So unless she failed a lot of grades or something she was probably around their same age.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 01:03 PM
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More than 15% of men want virgins. I’m talking about them because they’re adding a body.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 01:02 PM
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All the men who think non-virgins are used goods.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 07:41 AM
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She said she was in school and they were on a bus so it sounds like high school or college not middle aged. Tbf maybe you only consider young to be elementary school or so.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 07:13 AM
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You realize a lot of men straight up admit they do this and they ask women what they’re looking for specifically to do this. You’re giving men way too little credit. Also putting on an act for a month isn’t exactly master manipulator territory.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 07:09 AM
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That’s bad advice. Women should not tell a man what she’s looking for. Just let him be himself and decide if you want to deal with that or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 07:08 AM
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It is because why are you giving a body when you want 0?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 07:07 AM
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The government may not be able to do anything about it but citizens in other countries can. Like there are abortion organizations that help women travel across states or countries to get one where it is legal. Raising awareness in other countries boosts the resources and manpower for things like that. Secondarily a lot of countries follow the tone of the US. So protesting against things the US does send the message to politicians in your home country not to try it there. It’s the same the other …
/r/AntiFeminists10/07/22 12:45 AM
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He should choose better partners.
/r/AntiFeminists09/07/22 09:04 PM
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India doesn’t have the power or sphere of influence that the US does. The average Australian probably knows a lot more about the US and what happens there than they do about India whether they want to or not.
/r/AntiFeminists09/07/22 07:09 PM
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Because US is extremely influential and a lot of currents follow their cue socially. In Ireland they just got abortion rights and they’re being challenged again after Roe.V.Wade. The thought process is, if you can get something to fly in the US you can get it to fly in other countries. It also works in the reverse, some media from the US gets banned if other countries don’t want it influencing their citizens.
/r/AntiFeminists09/07/22 07:08 PM
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100% agree
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 06:43 PM
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Sounds like you need to choose better. Why are you attracted to that?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 06:05 PM
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Red pill does make moral judgements. They just use the no true Scotsman fallacy and claim that terpers doing so aren’t being red pilled. Same shit feminists do when some sects of the ideology make unsavory comments about men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 06:05 PM
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That’s not red pill. That’s good shit. When people mean main stream they’re talking about it being popular among ❄️ ppl. If you catch my drift. They don’t talk about dating in the same terms as other demographics.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 06:03 PM
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Casual hookups into perpetuity. Some who want a family may want to have a young(18-25) forever girlfriend when they’re a bit older(40+) to have kids and make a home with but those seem to be in the minority and the majority seem to want to increase their chances of getting more frequent and better quality casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 06:01 PM
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I completely agree. At the end of the day I haven’t the energy to care too much though. I just make observations. I’m surprised more people don’t see that’s what going on though. It’s just a bunch of “us vs them” mentality and no progress can be made because no one wants to be vulnerable and take the risks that come with doing so. If you view the other side as the enemy and act accordingly, don’t you think they’d view you the same? Furthermore if they view you the same why would they help you? O…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 05:58 PM
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If you’re speaking on Inter-gender attention most of them could and it’s why in areas where you see a lot of cat-calling they’ll do weird stuff to themselves that they know turn of many men. Like weight gain, excessive tats, shaving their heads or dying it unnatural colors, dressing down etc. Most women I’d say fall in the mid point where they only want attention from certain people at certain times. The women who like being objectified constantly and the women who don’t want any attention are b…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 03:24 PM
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That’s actually false. Women are sentenced harsher for killing their male partners than the reverse. Women receive harsher sentences for killing their male partners than men receive for killing their female partners. “The average prison sentence of men who kill their female partners is 2 to 6 years. Women who kill their partners are sentenced on average to 15 years,” https://www.aclu.org/other/words-prison-did-you-know?redirect=words-prison-did-you-know#_edn43 Also once again, it’s not just dome…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 03:22 PM
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It is. Otherwise you’d disclose it. If you want to use this logic though then no one is veiling their behavior in dating, they’re just not disclosing it. So again there should be no issue as people are just choosing not to divulge their business.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 03:17 PM
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You can doubt it if you want. It’s obvious to see which women like it, which women don’t and when women want it vs when they don’t. Men just project their desires onto women and think because they want to be objectified 24/7 that all women want the same thing as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 03:16 PM
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You can view it as meaningless and irrelevant if you want to. He’s still free to make it. He meant to say what he said. That every man he knows can get women with some effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 03:15 PM
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It doesn’t matter in sports, it matters irl too. Not everyone will be armed w/a deadly weapon and in America male gun ownership is higher than female gun ownership so even if you were faced with someone with a gun, it’s more likely to be a man. For other weapons like a bat, brass knuckles, knife etc men still have the advantage when using them because we have more raw strength to put behind it. Same as if it was a bare handed attack.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 01:03 PM
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Once again: Men He knows. There was no implication that’s your projection. He explicitly stated that he’s talking about men He knows. See quote: Every guy I know, who makes at least SOME effort, gets a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 01:01 PM
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https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr036.pdf -% of virgins of each sex from ages 20-44 it’s broken down into age cohorts from 20-24, 25-29 so and and so forth. “virgins make up 12.3 percent of females and 14.3 percent of males ages 20 to 24. That number drops below 5 percent for both male and female virgins ages 25 to 29 and goes as low as 0.3 percent for virgins ages 40 to 44.” https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nsfg/key_statistics/s.htm#sexualactivity -Stats on sexual activity that includes average ag…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 09:49 AM
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Right. Because a "great line" to use on a first date is explain how you're a member of the manosphere and Red Pilled and that's how you got the date in the first place... So essentially you’re expecting honesty from others you are not willing to engage in yourself. As I said earlier everyone is looking out for their own best interest and will not do anything that will hurt that. Sorry who am I trying to date / hit on? I do neither. Ever. So what is a first date? The only reason men are now veili…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 09:40 AM
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Sure but how does it lead to an honest discussion about the issues? An honest discussion is a pipe dream if you’re expecting it to happen among more than a few people.(few in comparison to the human population as a whole). Once it’s established that the “other side” is not working in your best interest distrust is sowed. The possibility of a large scale honest discussion goes out the window. This happens because a discussion of that nature requires vulnerability and openness too things that can …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 09:38 AM
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Both. Women and red pill men. Women are the enemy/adversaries to red pill men. Red pill men are the enemies/adversaries to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 09:17 AM
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Lmaoo, true story
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 09:16 AM
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You’re confusing violence with damage something I already clarified. Let’s say I’m equally likely to get punched by a man and a woman. If I were to get punched by a man at full force he’d be more likely to break my jaw than a woman punching me at full force. Men are stronger on average and can do more physical damage with their violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 09:15 AM
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Why say this like it’s a bad thing. Some peoples genes are not needed, including those who pass theirs down. If someone wants to live a bachelor/bachelorette lifestyle that’s their business. Also not marrying doesn’t always mean no kids. A husband has no statistical bearing on whether or not a woman dies alone, as men die before women anyway. So they’re not impacted by that. They play caretaker to us, then the kids play caretaker to them. If they don’t have kids oh well. Everyone dies at some po…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 12:55 AM
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And those women are living chaste lives and marrying young and popping out babies. Why they’re so obsessed with women who don’t want that is beyond me and vice versa. People need to live and let live.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 12:52 AM
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The same way you can “use a man for money” that he gave away freely.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 12:47 AM
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It’s not good for them. Just as TRP doesn’t think womens games are good and they shame womens behavior as well. You will never get someone to understand and sanction the actions of their enemy. So this q seemed kind of pointless.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 12:33 AM
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It’s not belittled the obsession with it is invalidated. If you can’t find anyone who wants to date or marry you oh well. Not everyone will find romantic love. So you can use other types it fill that void as your family and friends can/will do all the same things a partner could with them exception of sex. They can emotionally validate you, support you, provide non-sexual intimacy etc. It’s not white knighting it’s simp fatigue. At a certain point men need to stop getting upset over spilt milk a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 12:32 AM
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He didn’t say every guy. His comment very clearly says every guy He Knows 25% is the minority and that number drops lower after 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 12:29 AM
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Good for you? Iol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 12:27 AM
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So what’s the reason for the post?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 12:27 AM
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Insane, not even a viable argument when you consider that this applies to a substantial portion of the male population. Not insane at all. The only way to truly be free of all social norms and expectations is to leave society. The bare minimum isn't great for productivity, and then there's that portion who will try to just drop out and leech off the system. There will also be increasing rates of loneliness and isolation among men and eventually higher suicide rates. Brotherhood and more intimate…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 12:27 AM
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Men on this sub are an abnormal variant of the sexually unsuccessful minority. Most men are able to get sex and relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 10:58 PM
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The same thing men do. What’s the issue? Do you and worry about you and yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 10:49 PM
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The same thing red pill men think they’re doing, women also think they’re doing. Which is awareness and self-protection. Why are red pill men obsessed with, at a minimum, veiling their behavior. Why not come out and explicitly tell everyone you’re trying to date/hit on that you’re red pill? What’s confusing you?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 10:49 PM
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If the family you came from isn’t toxic you can have this without romantic involvement from a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 10:21 PM
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You can always quit your job and go off grid. Men produce less if they don’t have kids they’re taking care of but they still produce to take care of themselves and their needs. Why should society return to a culture of monogamy and chastity? That’s not a solution either as it infringes on people who are polyamorous or like sex. As society stands right now everyone has the choice of whether or not they want to be chaste or promiscuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 10:20 PM
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Because more women have a problem with it than men. You can even see that here from this sub. So many men complaining they’re not getting attention and catcalling. They want to be objectified and they’re loud and proud about it. While many women do not want that and complain when it happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 10:18 PM
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The percentage of male and female virgins under 30 is pretty evenly matched.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 10:16 PM
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Then the alternative would be 10 men sleeping with 10 women with attraction not being there from the woman’s side 8/10 times and 10 men treating them like objects. Not really a step up.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 10:16 PM
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That won’t stop them from fleecing you. These young women are getting very creative with their scams.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 10:12 PM
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Because someone has to pay for them one way or another. If the mom can’t do it, they go to the dad then taxpayers.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 10:10 PM
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Men do that all the time already? Where do you think the “starter wife” vs “trophy wife” trope came from? This isn’t new and groundbreaking.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 10:10 PM
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The same reason men don’t like when women do things to get over on them. It’s self serving behavior. No one wants to be screwed over so they’re not going to endorse the behavior of those who make an attempt to do so. Why is this shocking?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 10:08 PM
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Then they wouldn’t be soliciting it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 10:07 PM
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Sex patting and green card marriages would be dead as an industry if that was the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 10:02 PM
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Yep. Happens all the time. If you don’t show up for your kids in the way they need, they won’t show up for you in the ways you’ll need.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 10:01 PM
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You accuse me of rephrasing stuff yet did so yourself. I said a man is less danger of physical violence from a woman not because he may not be attacked but because the damage a woman can do to a man when it comes down to brute strength is less than what a man can do a woman or another man.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 10:00 PM
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Are Nordic countries not part of Europe? It’s a catch all term so I don’t have to list out each specific Northern European country. In any case the range of virginity loss is still 16-18 for the region which sounds more accurate than 13. I don’t know what you mean by girls with 13 do that? Have sex? Sure some do, same in the US and Canada but having sex that young is usually a sign that there was some sexual assault that happened as it’s more normal for virginity loss to happen from mid-teens to…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 11:03 AM
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I looked it up and for Europe it’s about the same 16-18 was the range(varied by country). Even still that’s older than 13. If they offered sex straight forward they’d put themselves in physical danger at worst or be ridiculed at best. May be shocking for you to find out but there’s ugly women too. When women like a guy they’ll be a bit more patient trying to teach him but if the sex keeps sucking they eventually take it off the table. If he’s useful or they like him they’ll stay with him but it …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 10:18 AM
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Sure but he could’ve gotten a younger woman from abroad with his millions too if he wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 10:15 AM
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A lot of reasons.Midlife crisis, never wanted to be fathers but felt pressured into it, can’t stand the kids mom and just ghost everyone etc. Sometimes they don’t abandon the family but the family abandons them. Like men who weren’t the best fathers so their kids stop talking to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 09:50 AM
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And my point is not every child gets it. So once that ship sails they pay it forward by not being there for dad in his old age. All I’m saying is if you have kids and you don’t want to die alone. Value them, cherish them and build a strong bond. Ex wives are a toss up but with kids. More often than not they don’t value their parents if their parents didn’t value them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 09:32 PM
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Interesting. The way many on here say it old women are yesterday’s news and nobody wants them for anything more than a pump and dump.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 09:27 PM
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Did their dads have bonds with them? Kids ask about their dad if they like them and have bonded with them. Whether or not that turns into visits and caretaking is another story and depends on how much they value their father. With a father that has no bond with his children because he spent no quality time, it’s a guarantee they won’t visit him because he’s effectively a stranger. So you’re saying some men like dying alone?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 09:27 PM
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If they’re having sex before 13 I’d question what goes on in their household and if any inappropriate touching was happening. The average age of virginity loss is 17.1 for women anyway. I’m not saying women don’t like sex. I’m saying they’re less obsessed with it than men because the risks are higher for them and the rewards are lower. So a woman not being able to have sex would take longer to get angry about it than a guy. A corporation is different than a private business. Depending on what fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 09:25 PM
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So the woman has to be young and attractive in order to be valid. Interesting. Simply getting laid doesn’t do much for women. The man has to put in effort to learn her body otherwise she’d be better off masturbating vs being someone else masturbatory aid. You can definitely have a male only party. Frats do it all the time intentionally or unintentionally. Police don’t shut you down unless you’re still making too much noise past a reasonable hour or your party guests are acting wild in the street…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 05:35 PM
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A post-wall divorced woman managed to date hypergamously?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 05:28 PM
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It’s not really. Not all men were active, present involved fathers. When you don’t have that bond with your kids they won’t visit you unless a maternal figure makes them. Men who are actively involved in their childrens lives, who take the time to get to know their kids and bond with them and who have strong social networks of friends and family finish up life with lots of loved ones but unfortunately that’s not the case for a lot of men. Some were present fathers but they left 90% of the child …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 05:26 PM
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Things are slowly changing now that more men are become involved fathers but a lot of men would get that social network and support system through a woman. It’d be the wife(mom/stepmom) reminding kids to call dad, managing the social calendar, caring for him etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 05:22 PM
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If you talk to older women it’s a been there done that kind of thing. If they’re divorce or widowed at that age they usually don’t want to live with a man again because it’s a lot of work and energy. They want the rest of their lives to have peace and alone time. Younger women haven’t experienced that burn out yet. Also for women a husband has little impact on whether or not they die alone. As men tend to die before their wives. Kids do however, so when you’re under 50 you still have time to bir…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 05:21 PM
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Yeah your statement isn’t inclusive of all women as a whole. Based on the data you provided. Every demographic of man has at least one demographic of women willing to date him yet there’s one demographic of women up there rated negatively by everyone. On the flip side, one demographic of man is rated highly by nearly everyone. Higher than the women and other demographics of men. As for sexlessness rates rising. They’re rising for woman as well. People are getting fatter, they’re working longer, …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 05:08 PM
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Yeah they’re looking for rich guys then probably. I’ve gone to blink, La fitness, golds gym etc. And the women you get are a mixed bag depending on the area. In places where it’s more dangerous they’d avoid men by using women only sections or just going in for classes that are predominantly women. Or they’d stop coming to the gym all together if they had a bad experience. Lucky you. Man, woman young old I’ve seen it all. Some people just don’t really care about personally boundaries in the gym a…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 04:34 PM
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It’s not missing, it’s covering. Like incels. They can’t miss sex as they’ve never had it. They covet it though. Same with emotional intimacy. Men who have never experienced being cared for and appreciated for who they are don’t miss it, they covet it and get depressed when they can’t find it. They probably wouldn’t. Plenty of women already live that life because they’re very unattractive. The kind of women that were asked out as a joke as girls or if they had a crush on a guy he and his friends…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 04:29 PM
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Well if it’s a high end gym that makes sense too. I was thinking low-mid tier gym franchises and small local gyms. If the women are on the younger side like under 25. They’re probably trying to exhaust all options to find a rich guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 03:38 PM
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They used it at my old gym but they don’t use it at my new one. I think it has more to do with the demographics of the surrounding town/city and how safe/unsafe the women feel around the men there. If they feel unsafe they’ll use a woman’s only workout area/gym or stay home. If they feel safe they’ll just use the general area. Also if they’re into lifting they’ll use the general area as well because women’s only sections in traditional gyms tend to be lacking in weights.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 03:01 PM
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Why only use the NBA as a comparison. Look at track and field uniforms, women’s especially. They look similar to how a lot of women dress in the gym.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 02:58 PM
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Considering the state of mens mental health, the male suicide rate, even the studies you linked on male loneliness, mens frequent complaints about feeling invalidated, uncared for, disposable and like their feelings don’t matter etc I’d say they need some closeness and emotional intimacy. It doesn’t have to be as much as women are getting but many men would do well with getting more of that then they do currently. It would probably cull some of the obsession they have with women as well as many …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 02:35 PM
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Many men are like this whether someone helped him build or not. Same with women. So it doesn’t really matter either way. Do you.
/r/AntiFeminists07/07/22 02:25 PM
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You can be lonely even while being socially competent and interacting with others. Women are less lonely because their friendships are more intimate than mens typically. How many women have a friend or two they can call as a shoulder to cry on, someone who will give them hugs or cuddles when they need one or just other little(non-sexual) touches vs how many men? You can have people you hang out with and talk to but if they’re not there for you emotionally in a deep and meaningful way you’ll be l…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 05:24 PM
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So you’re arguing a moot point.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 01:45 AM
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Nah it’s definitely not. How that Apple is grown and what is/isn’t put into it definitely impacts its taste and nutritional value.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 01:17 AM
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Most
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 01:16 AM
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What would be the point in lying and portraying yourself as antisocial and friendless? I disagree, I don’t think this sub represents younger men better than younger women. I think both are equally unrepresentative of their respective sexes. Just in different ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 01:16 AM
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Maybe that’s their kink. If all parties are of age and consenting not a big deal. No different from the folks that frolic in prairies clothes in rural America. They preach women being subservient to men. Different strokes for different folks.
/r/AntiFeminists04/07/22 11:45 AM
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I see what’s tripping you up now. I’m comparing the lives of men here to other men. Not to women. Most men are not loners. I’m not saying men are as social as women. I’m saying men are more social then the men here. I’m also not arguing whether or not women here are representative of average women. I don’t really care one way or the other. I just disagree with the view that men here are representative of the average man. Men here are way more anti-social and volatile than men you’ll encounter in…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 11:41 AM
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You started talking about yourself first. Here is your statement in reply to my comment about their pickiness not being a problem if it’s all hormonal. Objectify I don't have a problem with it because those people don't have to interact with me. However I personally have a problem with it because it affects my life in a very negative way, and skews the view of what women view as "above the minimum bar". I responded to this that you chose to comment then this started the chain of events where you…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 11:34 AM
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Totally correct. If they were cool with forcing her to marry not a far stretch to think they’d also be cool with taking violent action against her for refusing. So arranged marriage is synonymous with forced marriage? Your school shooting point also wouldn’t be totally wrong but it’d be more accurate to describe it like Russian roulette. The blame also wouldn’t lie with the classrooms it’d lie with the extremists getting radicalized and then deciding to mass murder innocent people. Or an more ap…
/r/AntiFeminists04/07/22 11:28 AM
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It’s not 2-3 guys I’ve seen here saying they don’t have friends. It’s way more than that and seems to be a general theme. You see more men here complaining about the quality/quantity of same sex friendships and how difficult it is to get them than the reverse. That’s not reflective of men irl. Like I said it’d be best to have a survey done to compare hard numbers but the men here are just as unrepresentative of real life as the women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 12:52 AM
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You have no idea how it affects my life and for some reason feel so entitled to tell me that it doesn't. More humans are social creatures and not finding love and having affection is extremely detrimental to any normal person... That's a socially fact... You started off the statement talking about yourself. You vehemently disagreed with my point about how womens dating choices don’t affect you. Then segued into saying lack of love and affection is detrimental. The implication there is that you a…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 12:48 AM
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She comes from a culture that does honor killings on those who embarrass the family. So unless she could’ve secretly gotten in contact with a humanitarian organization she probably didn’t have other options. She could’ve killed herself, succumbed to the marriage or killed them.
/r/AntiFeminists04/07/22 12:44 AM
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Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 08:40 PM
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Most food in America is garbage. Unless you’re growing it yourself or buying it from someone who does what you’re getting is subpar quality to what other developed countries are getting.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 08:39 PM
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Going to the gym is more painful, intense and energy consuming than putting on makeup. You have to be supremely dedicated to make that shift and go from fat to fit because it’s not easy and you’ll be hurting. Makeup just takes time, patience and good fine motor skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 08:37 PM
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There’s water proof makeup and setting spray now. So even if she went scuba diving it wouldn’t come off.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 08:35 PM
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Oh they’re there. It just depends on where in Canada you are lol. Toronto and Vancouver are fairly fit. Some of the cities in Saskatchewan province are pretty fat though.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 08:35 PM
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I wouldn’t want a woman to approach me at work or while I’m doing errands but social events, bars etc would be fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 08:30 PM
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It’s not a strawman argument. You keep referring to their dating selection choices as an “issue”. You also claimed not finding love and affection are detrimental to the average person. So I directly responded to both of those points. Divest from caring about what women do and focus on fostering other types of relationships so you can still get love and affection that way. Where’s the strawman in that?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 08:28 PM
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A loner is different from a complete shut in. Men that are loners will still go out and about. You’ll see then here and there and maybe get superficially acquainted. You’ll be able to observe and see they have no friends and little to no “friends”. Plus there’s some that will divulge that information or you can see they’re very awkward and poor at socializing and deduce the impact that would have on their social interactions based on how others respond to them. I completely disagree that men her…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 08:26 PM
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You know women are not the only the only way to get your social needs met? Do you have quality relationships with friends and family? That’s also a way to get your social needs met. All I’m saying is this, if it’s not happening for you there no point in being hung up on it. You can’t control what women do and want. Only how you react to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 08:21 PM
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If they controlled for other factors like facial attractiveness, libido and/or introversion vs extroversion it would’ve probably shown more of a gap. Just doing height though, fit, facially attractive extroverted short guys will be thrown in the mix with unattractive, out of shape, introverted tall guys which would shrink the gap some.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 12:16 PM
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I certainly believe that. I’m sorry you’ve had that experience. There’s no shame in staying single either. I think a big part of the reason it gets to people is the single shaming in most cultures.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 01:23 AM
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That she doesn’t care about people that don’t care about her. That was pretty clear lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 01:15 AM
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Tall men can probably afford to be more selective of their options. Where an average height man be less so. So a guy who’s sleeping with only who he’s very attracted to vs a guy who takes what he can get, the numbers may equalize. Secondly, being tall generates interest but it doesn’t necessarily mean you’ll close the deal. So you may be able to attract more women and get them to talk to you, but are you able to leverage that and then get them in bed?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 01:10 AM
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Based on her comments about being unmatched it sounds like they’re skipping over her completely.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 01:06 AM
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As I said in my first comment. A survey would have to be done to know for sure but just basing it off anecdotal comparisons I’ve come across a lot more men here who struggle with socializing with other men vs in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 12:35 AM
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Thats a completely valid and logical argument. However I suspect it's a lot more complicated and not "completely involuntary and subconscious". So then you don’t believe it’s completely hormone driven. I think there are a number of factors that can be used to influence attraction hormones. My thought process with this is because there are tons of women who end up finding men that don't approach or show interest in them as attractive. This action in it's own right should be a red flag but is ofte…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 12:32 AM
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I’m a bit confused by what you’re saying? Op was claiming that women on ppd aren’t representative of average women because he claims they’re more interested in dating dynamics and theories than average women. His claim is that non-ppd women aren’t this interested in the mechanics and theories behind dating dynamics. I’m saying that ppd men are similarly unrepresentative of average men because of their anti-social behavior. Most men have friends and if not they at least have “friends” whereas man…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 11:56 AM
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Well the OP didn't say here is a representative selection of man and a unrepresentative selection of women, he said only that the rate of representationship is higher. And I’m disagreeing with the point that men here are more representative of average men than the women here are representative of average women. They’re(ppd men and women) both outliers in equal rates just for different reasons. So even if we would assume that 100% of man and women or this forum are totally antisocial that would s…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 10:37 AM
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You can put up photos of you traveling, out a nice looking restaurants etc. Basically photos of you partaking in expensive hobbies and luxuries. Women are in planet earth. There standards really aren’t that bad. At the end of the day everyone wants a partner they’re attracted to. When women can’t find that they just stay single and that’s perfectly reasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 09:56 AM
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Well if it’s all hormonal their pickiness shouldn’t be a problem as that would mean it’s completely involuntary and subconscious.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 08:22 AM
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When they’re ready to go they can go for ages and they have a lower refractory period for orgasms. You’re measuring horniness by male standards(ease of arousal initiation) and not factoring in intensity of arousal. Women do it for men they’re sufficiently attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 06:44 AM
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You’re free to believe what you want. I don’t see it as a problem either way. I’m just saying sometimes the men women find attractive men don’t abs vice versa. It’s like the Adam Driver, Pete Davidson debacle. Men wouldn’t necessarily call those men attractive but many women go Gaga for them. Similar to how women near ubiquitously find Zendaya attractive but for men she draws more mixed reviews. They don’t have the same ideas of what is attractive for each sex. Women are restrictive because they…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 05:49 AM
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They don’t. Attractive, desirable men aren’t the majority and they also typically don’t want to settle down until they’re older. So they’ll be available to most women for hookups but not LTR. Also you’re forgetting men and women don’t find the same things attractive. What may be an attractive man to you may not read that way to women. It’s like how certain women that have hordes of female fans they think they’re gorgeous but men don’t find them all that attractive. Same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 03:55 AM
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Imo most men could. They just don’t want to because giving in to the urge to have sex is easier. So they’ll go with the path of least resistance.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 03:53 AM
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I’m not a rockstar. I’m a regular guy. All I’m saying is if it didn’t work I’d have gotten a lot more “no’s”.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 01:25 AM
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If they were just like me I’d also have been rejected by all the women that said yes. As that would mean they probably had types that weren’t me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 01:19 AM
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I’m not agreeing with you. Men can be happy without those things. Most just choose not to take the plunge for various reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 01:17 AM
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What do you mean? I don’t think I’m following? Wouldn’t the woman be requiring more money if she has none because now she’s expecting compensation for the loss of her income vs just wanting a guy that earns more than her. Maybe I’m misunderstanding though.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 01:16 AM
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It’s worked for me. Different strokes for different folks though I guess
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 01:14 AM
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He’s a troll
/r/AntiFeminists01/07/22 08:28 PM
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You don’t put it explicitly. That’s autistic type thinking. You have high quality pictures that show you’re attractive and clean cut, lifestyle photos to show you’re not struggling, you can put your job and alumni in your bio or leave it out and tell her on the date. Then if she does a criminal background check ok you and nothing comes up there’s the law abiding part. You possess the qualities but communicate them subtly not explicitly.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 08:25 PM
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Well there’s plenty of homeless shelters for women where they’re not hookers and drug addicts. Why not go there and date someone?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 06:33 PM
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The ones on the street maybe, the ones in shelters and living in their cars have jobs and are clean. They’re just either financially illiterate, they were laid off and burned through the feeble emergency savings they had or they don’t make enough to afford housing and are too prideful to take section 8. Those types typically don’t stay homeless for too long though.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 06:32 PM
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It was accepted for men before women. Men who stay perpetually single are the cool bachelors while women who did so were “lonely cat ladies”. Now it’s becoming less stigmatized for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 06:30 PM
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That doesn’t negate her point. Many are now dating the opposite of that or staying single. They’re aiming for clean cut, financially secure, attractive, law-abiding men of good character vs deadbeat, broke abusers. If they can’t find the former and they’re meant to avoid the latter staying single makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 06:28 PM
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Nah what it is, is that women can provide for themselves. So if she’s going to date you you have to pass her looks threshold or significantly out-earn her. Being a strong assertive provider is irrelevant if she makes just as much or more than you do and she’s not attracted to you. If you’re assertive but you don’t meet her looks threshold you need the big bucks that’ll make you seem like more of a lucrative option than being single. So 50k to her 20k, 80-90k to her 50k and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 06:21 PM
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Of course but some people are more disadvantaged by that than others. If you have a chronic medical condition, disability that requires external aids or medication or a pre-menopausal female reproductive system you’re going to be paying more than others just to maintain your daily living. While everyone else only pays if they have an emergency or illness.
/r/AntiFeminists01/07/22 04:09 PM
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And for all of them it’s expensive. Either via insurance if you have it or direct pay if you don’t. Also I’ve never met a woman who didn’t have side effects or pain from abortion or child bearing. The severity varied from woman to woman but it was always still there.
/r/AntiFeminists01/07/22 03:58 PM
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Emotional blackmail = / = abusing someone’s sexuality
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 12:14 PM
1

So why not ask? The virtues of conservatives over liberals was being explicitly extolled here so here so I chimed in to say they’re really not that different.
/r/AntiFeminists01/07/22 11:57 AM
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I’m not saying it’s a problem. I’m saying it’s a sign they’re antisocial and that’s not representative of most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 11:23 AM
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You did mean to be rude and that’s ok. Stand on it. Sexually assaulting someone, not respecting a man’s boundaries, sexually grooming boys etc. That’s abusing someone’s sexuality. What op described with the employers is emotional blackmail and whether it’s a man, woman, gay or straight if you call someone’s spouse and pressure them to get their spouse to stop protesting it can work. Since most people are going to choose their families.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 11:08 AM
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It’s actually not sudden. There’s been people that wanted it expanded, reformed or abolished for years but they weren’t taken seriously until now.
/r/AntiFeminists01/07/22 10:44 AM
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I’m 30 years old and that’s not a need that’s a desire. If something is important to you it’s not that hard to take sex off the table to buckle down and focus on whatever it is you need to do. The hyperfocus on sex is something men can change and redirect to their benefit anytime they want. A critical mass won’t do it though. You can see it in the way they complain about how women behave and how they hate being around women and doing xyz for them yet only a minority within a minority(mgtow monks…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 10:43 AM
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I'm not an idiot I know all of this So then why did you say they’re not at the mercy of nature? Do you think those side effects are fun? But let me ask you a question why do you think women have started using there children as a bargaining chip in court They don’t. 90% or child custody cases are decided without the court being involved. Its because they can exploit the child for money from the father like so many women do nowadays The only ones who do this are baby trappers. In cases where the m…
/r/AntiFeminists01/07/22 10:37 AM
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So I guess you totally ignored the last paragraph in my first comment on this post? What women should do is be more selective of men. If they still want sex only sleep with men who are infertile/got a vasectomy and use spermicide, condoms, cycle tracking etc. Secondly, be careful with that pregnancy prevention argument because it applies to men as well. Why didn’t you or op consider how to prevent getting someone pregnant in your arguments?
/r/AntiFeminists01/07/22 10:26 AM
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You can masturbate. I like sex as much as the next guy but in this day and age it’s really not that hard to go without it if you have to. Pushing the narrative that men value sex above all else is exactly why it can even be used as a bargaining chip/power play in the first place. If you end that narrative men who feel disenfranchised can reclaim some of their power.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 10:23 AM
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It’s not invalid at all. I’ve had conservatives refuse to serve me and they didn’t even know if I was a liberal. They just judged me based off how I looked at the time. They just assumed I was a shady thug. So I’m not buying that they’re any better than liberals. They both do the same crap to people they politically disagree with or otherwise don’t like. You can argue there’s exceptions but most on each side are not going to helping those they dislike for free.
/r/AntiFeminists01/07/22 10:22 AM
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I don’t think they defecated in it. From what op said, it sounds like they left the extra bottles(or maybe cups wasn’t specified) of water behind. So anyone that wanted one could’ve taken it at that point.
/r/AntiFeminists01/07/22 10:19 AM
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So then they’re choosing what they value more. They’re choosing to prioritize sex so highly. At any time if they wanted they could just say no and not accept things they don’t want.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 04:19 AM
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Well everything in life comes with sacrifices so you have to pick and choose what’s worth it to you. Even if these men didn’t have families they’d having to sacrifice missing out on income until their demands are met if ever. Same principle here, you can strike but if your family is dependent on your income you risk them walking out to find other options if you strike. What women do shouldn’t matter to men. If you don’t like how you’re treated by women walk away from them, say no. Them forming a…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 04:18 AM
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If you even believe any of this to be true then it means men have the power to stop it anytime they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 03:44 AM
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That’s not abusing male sexuality. If you have a family to think of you have to weigh the pros and cons. You could just be fired and replaced for striking then your job will have one or no incomes making things financially more difficult when you were already on the edge anyway. The men could always just strike anyway though and leave their wives and kids to figure something else out.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 03:43 AM
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So you say but red states there’s already a lot of complaints about welfare and high taxes so they’ve started slashing it. Plus your tax money isn’t going to be used to save people unless they overhaul several systems. Which people have been asking for, for years but not much progress has been made.
/r/AntiFeminists01/07/22 03:29 AM
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Yes really. Birth control has painful and irritating side effects and it’s expensive, abortion is painful and expensive, and carrying to term is painful and expensive as well as dangerous if you don’t have access to quality healthcare providers. They could try and go without sex forever but I don’t know how well that would go over in most societies if women tried that as currently young fertile women are still the main source for population replenishment. So since they’re the gestating sex they’…
/r/AntiFeminists01/07/22 03:27 AM
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She’s at the mercy of nature so it balances out.
/r/AntiFeminists01/07/22 03:09 AM
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Nah, as long as they keep the same energy both ways.
/r/AntiFeminists01/07/22 02:50 AM
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I wouldn’t say the consequences for us are life ruining as nothing happens physically and the financial consequences are kind of equalized. If the man doesn’t want the baby and she aborts, only she’s eating the cost of the abortion plus the physical pain of it. If he doesn’t want the baby and she keeps it only she is suffering the physical risks and she’s eating the upfront costs. Once the child is here they’re both splitting the costs to raise one. What women should do is be more selective of m…
/r/AntiFeminists01/07/22 02:49 AM
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It’s a mix. Some want them but don’t have them because they struggle to make friends, others have said don’t have them and don’t want them for various reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 02:42 AM
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So then it was free for the taking after they were done serving those they prioritized.
/r/AntiFeminists01/07/22 02:25 AM
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They know things about themselves though. Like how much water they brought and how many women they anticipate to be needing it.
/r/AntiFeminists01/07/22 02:22 AM
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You can see someone as human and not want to help them. The woman with the water was clearly focused on serving her group first. It’s like this, you may give money or buy something for a stranger in need but when it takes away from what you can use to provide for your own you may not be so quick to do so. Same thing here. What if she ran out of water for her sisters by giving it to you?
/r/AntiFeminists01/07/22 02:21 AM
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So do liberal people and they’re doing all that because they’re paid for their labor. Political stance doesn’t matter when $$$ is involved. When it comes to giving away free stuff though, they’re not going for it. You’re not getting their nice cold water for free if they know you’re liberal.
/r/AntiFeminists01/07/22 02:14 AM
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The same reason women don’t notice things about men. It’s partially Apex fallacy and partially not really noticing average people but noticing people that stand out. So very beautiful women and ugly women. Men will notice the beautiful girl and all the special treatment she gets. They won’t notice the average girl much unless they like her. If they like her they’ll give her special treatment and assume that’s the norm for her with all men she interacts with. They’ll notice the ugly girl and how …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 02:00 AM
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Many of them do because they believe feminism and most of what came with it(sexual liberation included) caused many modern social problems.
/r/AntiFeminists01/07/22 01:48 AM
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Chris Brown.
/r/AntiFeminists01/07/22 01:47 AM
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They would. Chris Brown, as well as the killers that have hordes of horny fans.
/r/AntiFeminists01/07/22 01:46 AM
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Some people are just thirsty. This isn’t very different than the people on Twitter wanting to free R.Kelly or who still lust after Chris Brown. When you’re rich and deemed attractive some people will excuse anything you do.
/r/AntiFeminists01/07/22 01:46 AM
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I see your point but conservatives do bring “gods will” into the mix. https://www.newsweek.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-says-god-will-provide-pregnant-women-1719980?amp=1
/r/AntiFeminists01/07/22 01:41 AM
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Right wing people would not give a liberal water if they knew they were liberal. What you experienced is the after effect of political polarization. Your political stance is now used to view your stance on the value of the lives of others. So if you interact with those who are politically opposed from you, you won’t be treated too kindly 8/10.
/r/AntiFeminists01/07/22 01:33 AM
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You have a higher likely hood of dying prematurely. Doesn’t mean it will happen. Similar stats for where I grew up and people from my graduating class dropped like flies. I made it to 30 though.
/r/AntiFeminists01/07/22 01:32 AM
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That’s what they believe though and why they behave the way they do.
/r/AntiFeminists01/07/22 01:31 AM
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The black femicide US page backs up the black part. The homicide rate among black people is very high. As well as the maternal mortality rate due to medical ignorance.
/r/AntiFeminists01/07/22 01:30 AM
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They view it as a moral issue and that informs their behavior. They also view women as the gatekeepers of sex which is why women get the most flack. When you’re the sex that brings life you get the most attention positive and negative towards your sexual choices. It’s unfortunate though.
/r/AntiFeminists01/07/22 01:28 AM
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They think poor sexual behavior has contributed to the moral decay of society so they want it back in check pretty much. It’s a desire to close pandoras box so to speak.
/r/AntiFeminists01/07/22 01:23 AM
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Because he has a daughter. That’s the only Reason I resonate with some feminist ideology. Feminists have done a lot for womens rights and globally they’re the main ones fighting for protections of those same rights. So if I have a daughter who I want to be able to go to school, work if she chooses to, have legal and social resources if she’s sexually assaulted why wouldn’t I support the people who make that possible? I imagine women become red pilled/MRA sympathizers for a similar reason. They h…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 01:16 AM
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They want to push things to be more like France, Lebanon etc where people riot and burn things down when governments make decisions the people don’t agree with. Problem is for them you need more angry people willing to take the risk of consequences for that to work.
/r/AntiFeminists01/07/22 01:13 AM
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Condoms by themselves are not good enough. Get snipped, tubal litigation, vasectomy, birth control and spermicide.
/r/AntiFeminists01/07/22 01:12 AM
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Yes many men want less sex. They don’t think women are rational with their sexual decisions so they want more women to be celibate.
/r/AntiFeminists01/07/22 01:11 AM
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Some places are seeing a rise in men getting vasectomy consultations. https://www.kshb.com/news/local-news/kansas-city-urologist-says-vasectomy-consults-have-increased-by-900-since-roe-v-wade-decision Overall though the outcome of this won’t be seen for years down the line. If southern states decide to ban abortion, you’ll see the foster care system be even more overstrained, more taxes going to either welfare or policing, more trafficking, more infanticide etc. As a result of people getting pre…
/r/AntiFeminists01/07/22 01:10 AM
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Them volunteering that information about themselves and the way the speak about the value of friendship. As I said though a survey would need to be done to know the exact number.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 01:09 AM
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Most don’t swipe right on men they have no interest in. They’ll left swipe you. For those who do they could’ve swiped right because in the moment they thought it was a good idea but by the time you matched back they matched with others they like more or they changed their mind about you. Then there’s attention seekers as well but they’re usually active participants in the conversation and they’ll flirt. They just won’t ever want to meet. I don’t remember her name but there was a woman I saw a Yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 12:29 AM
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Plenty of people do. I’ve been lucky enough to find mine and I hope one day you do too. I know things can seem bleak when you haven’t found your people, especially if you live in a hyper individualistic culture but there are still people who care about the men in their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 11:56 PM
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Yes that someone wouldn’t be happy to hear a man complaining. If they care about you they’ll still hear you out and try to help you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 11:18 PM
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No one is thrilled when they see anyone complaining. Even men don’t go “yippee oh boy my wife’s complaining today”. It’s just that if they care about you, they’ll hear you out and try to help you if they can. If you can it’s good to have people in your circle that you can rely on, for the sake of your mental health.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 10:25 PM
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Hmm maybe I’ve met plenty of men who had better social skills than that. Even if they’re not good with women they can at least get on with men fine. Men who can’t do either seem to be more in the minority than anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 10:15 PM
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What’s so odd about that? If I have problems I can confide in and get help from my wife, a couple of my friends and a few family members and I am that guy for all of them. They know they can come to me for almost anything and I’ll help any way I can. Everyone should strive to have at least 1-2 people in their life like this. Its good for the sake of your mental health
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 07:27 PM
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It’s definitely not all. I can’t speak to your experiences but when I was in school it was about a 50/50 split. Most of them from what I’ve seen have grown up and left that dickhead behavior behind them though but some of them still act like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 06:31 PM
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They’re called strong and independent women. Some men like them other men don’t like what they call a “lack of pair-bonding” that’s allegedly present with these women. Imo, they just know what they want and view their time as valuable so they’re not like other women who will have a problem with a guy and give him 50,000 chances before she does something about it. Strong independent women with just drop you like a bad habit, no warning and usually no explanation either. If you’re a man who fears …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 05:58 PM
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If they’re sweet to their girlfriends it’s 1 of two things usually. He’s putting on a show of being a dick so other men around him don’t bully him, but his girlfriend provides a safe space to be more vulnerable and kind or we’re not seeing the whole story and he’s a dick to her, he’s just nice as long as she does what he wants. Meaning he’s nice if she’s not telling him “no” to something.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 05:54 PM
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They do just not for the same reasons. A woman will evaluate a man’s pockets, but his money won’t breed raw sexual attraction in her. For men a woman’s pockets don’t generate any kind of interest worth noting unless he’s broke and looking to social climb.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 05:52 PM
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You have some though. You’re not an antisocial hermit who has no friends, no dates etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 05:50 PM
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They don’t treat average women with kid gloves. At least not as consistently as they do pretty women. I say this because what’s average/ugly varies from man to man. An average women especially when she’s on the lower end of average will be more debatable about whether she’s attractive or not and that will impact how men treat her. A pretty woman there’s usually no debate. Not to mention most men think fat or overweight women are ugly and that’s what the average woman in America is. So just off t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 05:49 PM
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I’m talking about folks who straight up admit they have no friends. I’ve never interacted with you here afaik so I don’t know what you do on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 05:40 PM
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You’d be surprised. They’ll admit it when asked. One dude was saying how he’s too much of an old soul so he doesn’t have friends because he doesn’t relate to anyone outside of his family. The more they talk the more you see there’s a lot of socially maladjusted people here.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 05:30 PM
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Ugly and post wall women can make it up with money too. They just don’t want to. If a woman is post wall but not ugly she’ll still have options, just much less than when she was younger. If a woman is ugly or both ugly and post wall she can use money to sexpat and get sugar babies too. Most women just aren’t as into that kind of thing as men. It’s why a market for women doing that exists but its dwarfed by mens.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 05:26 PM
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I was comparing men to men. A man who doesn’t have any friends or “friends” is not representative of the average man who at least has a couple of both.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 05:24 PM
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Those old men have money most of the time and they go for girls with daddy issues that want validation from a father figure.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 02:08 PM
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I doubt it. Men that are dicks are generally that way to everyone. Occasionally you’ll see them pretend to be nice to a woman they’re attracted to. At least until the woman either falls for it and sleeps with him or totally dismisses/rejects him with no thought that he’ll ever have a chance. Then you’ll see the dick behavior come out full force again. They’re also dicks to women they’re not attracted to. Men treat pretty women with kids gloves. Other women get treated the same as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 02:02 PM
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No need to apologize. It’s always interesting to see peoples views on here. I think socializing with each other and bonding is something we as men need to work on. Going to your friends for emotional support or even just a much needed hug should be more normalized. It would probably help gender relations more anyway because less men would be desperately looking to women to fill that emotional void then getting upset when it’s not found.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 02:00 PM
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But is that a matter of you being uncomfortable opening up or because you know without a doubt they wouldn’t listen? Either way most men at least have one or two guys they can open up to about things. On this sub? It’s not uncommon to see men say they have no real friends and barely if any causal ones. That’s a sign of anti-social behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 01:56 PM
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That’s not. That’s being a socially inept man. I’ve never struggled to make friends with other men. Even the most sexually unsuccessful men I know still have friends. So if you’re struggling to even make friends with your own sex, that spells bigger problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 01:01 PM
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Interesting take considering this statement isn’t viewed as having merit when women say it about dating men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 12:59 PM
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False. I’d love to see a user data survey done on this but the men here definitely skew lower than average attractiveness and social intelligence. There’s a disproportionate amount of men here who say they struggle to socialize with other men. Hearing stuff like that makes me think they’re not representative of men in larger society.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 11:38 AM
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Yep definitely seen much of the same. In the area I grew up in though I think it was more so that people enjoyed seeing fights and violence. I say this because sometimes they’d get involved, recording, cheering etc they’d engage with the violence. Someone saying something you didn’t like, or looking at you in a way you didn’t like was license to beat them up. If you called the cops they’d label you a “snitch”, “agent” or “opp” and they’d probably catch you off guard and jump you in retaliation d…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 11:35 AM
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In some cultures it is because women are not meant to be seen or heard from without a male guide/chaperone. The mentality is they should be home doing their domestic duties. To be fair though the video I saw of the Indian men saying that, they all looked 30+. So maybe things will change with the younger generation.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 11:30 AM
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You’re seeing him through the male gaze not the female gaze. If you read various different female erotica or watch various movies and really pay attention and analyze the male characters you start to see a pattern. Every guy is slightly different in the fact that one may be an aggressive gangster, one may be a super work focused doctor, one may be some Tarzan-esque dude running in the woods who knows nothing of the world. Regardless of that factor they’re always: Tall, handsome, passionate, conf…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 11:29 AM
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Money. It’s given me the privilege to do things I only ever could’ve dreamed of growing up.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 09:41 PM
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What they did was certainly illegal and if they catch those guys they’ll be arrested. Chinese online users were definitely outraged as well it’s just that no one at the restaurant stepped in to help besides the other women that were with her or some that felt bad for her and tried to help her up. But then they all got beat too. Here’s the video though: https://youtu.be/qz3USuQCJ_g
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 08:22 PM
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Those things are advised for the men not the women. For the RPW they’re encouraged to be chaste, put them man and his needs above themselves, be cheery and honor their duties to their family etc. The womens goals are gaining and maintaining LTRs. That’s pretty tradcon stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 07:20 PM
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If you check their sub Reddit though it goes beyond just knowledge sharing. They’re making it a lifestyle and making men the “captains” etc. So the question is valid. What is the end goal of making that lifestyle adjustment?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 07:18 PM
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It’s because it’s a sore spot for them. Similar mentality as “I can criticize my family but you can’t because you’re an outsider” type of thing. Then some people view it as a dog whistle for bigotry, like are you actually providing constructive criticism or are you using this as an excuse to down a country and an ethnic group you despise? And if it’s the former how informed is your opinion and by what? I used to fall into that thinking trap but then I realized sometimes people aren’t I’ll intend…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 07:16 PM
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The China one is true. I think the guys that joined in knew the guy that started beating the girl first. However in the video it was a girl just sitting there having a meal with friends when some guy came up to her and tried to hit on her. She turned him down twice and then he put his hand on her and asked her again and she pushed his hand off her shoulder then he got angry and started beating her. Her friends and other women tried to help her and they all got beat up and tossed around too. Last…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 07:12 PM
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It’s because you know the guy has the mindset of honoring his family. If you wait until marriage you don’t run the risk of having out of wedlock kids because you can’t get pregnant if you don’t have sex. Sex is a big deal for those who don’t want to get pregnant and for those who want a partner that values them and wants to start a family with them. If you don’t care about those things, have at it. If you do it’s best to wait and make sure the man you’re sleeping with is a good person and will c…
/r/AntiFeminists29/06/22 03:48 PM
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When it happens on a large scale like that it’s social. Not to mention some mothers were being forced to have abortions against their will because they were in a social political climate where women fertility was looked at negatively and as something potentially harmful.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 03:43 PM
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Because traditional women shame them. It’s a catty back and forth. Tradcons:”You lot are godless whores, ruining it for the rest of us” Feminists:”well you lot are slaves to your husbands trying to force women back in time”. It’s the age old issue of people thinking their way is the right way and not being able to mind their business when they should.
/r/AntiFeminists29/06/22 03:41 PM
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You’re one of the types that read it to be angry and not to understand huh? Or maybe you’re just being intentionally facetious idk. The traits that inspired lust were that he was a good looking, confident, passionate wealthy man that knew what he wanted. It’s not that hard to figure out. If you read other womens erotica no matter what kind of guy it is(doctor, mafia boss, wild tribesmen etc) it’s alwsus a hot, bold, confident, passionate guy that loves the female lead unapologetically and he’s u…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 03:38 PM
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Exactly! They just don’t want to risk it no matter how small. Contraceptives are great but if a man’s ejaculate never enters her uterus there’s no chance of getting pregnant.
/r/AntiFeminists29/06/22 09:10 AM
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The difference is the bar for a woman to “do wrong” is lower to clear. A man walking around alone isn’t viewed as a license for him to be raped or for his family to inflict corporal punishment. If his sister did the same? Different story. Outside of adultery men are allowed to be more sexually free, they have looser chastity and purity standards etc. Acts of violence against women get more traction because women push it more. They’ll circulate the videos and make them go viral then men see them …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 09:08 AM
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Exactly. As I always tell men if you really want to know what women desire. Read womens erotica and watch romantic films intended for women. Whoever the it boy of the moment is in that niche media will tell you a lot about what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 09:04 AM
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I don’t want to name the exact place as I still visit family there from time to time but it was a poor “city” in NYS(not NYC). I put city in quotes because imo it wasn’t big enough to be classed as city but compared to some other NY towns and villages it was more densely populated. It’s getting gentrified now though based on when I was there last. As yuppies from the NYC are moving in and buying up all the property because it’s cheaper. So the cultures changed for the better in some ways compare…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 09:01 AM
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I could if you answered directly
/r/AntiFeminists29/06/22 08:52 AM
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If that was the case you wouldn’t have seen female infanticide in China and India. Womens ability to bring life is either revered or scorned depending on the social and economic conditions of a country. Some nations will try and kill girls and force abortion on women others will try to push pregnancy it all depends on the nations needs. If they don’t need more babies things get ugly real fast. Edit: hey we have the same shirt in on our avatars lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 08:51 AM
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I can’t speak for all but generally I’ve noticed chaste women prefer chaste men. If it’s an issue for you just don’t date them. Many of the men here don’t seem like they want marriage anyway so what tradcon women do should be if no consequence, as a relationship with them wouldn’t work anyway. Furthermore it’s about duty, they’re selecting for men who view marriage as something for more than just pleasure. They want men who want to honor a family and who desire to have and be just as invested in…
/r/AntiFeminists29/06/22 08:49 AM
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It’s purely social. Just look at varying reactions to violence against a defenseless woman in different cultures. Some will stand and record, others they’ll be incensed and intervene. It’s all dependent on how they’ve been socialized to view women in their culture. Edit: I’d like to amend me answer a little bit though. I just remembered a study I read a while back about womens tears lower mens testosterone, so it’s probably a bit biological as well but I’d still argue the vast majority of it is …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 01:04 AM
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To be fair you don’t know where he’s from. Not everyone here is a westerner.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 01:01 AM
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You’re right. It also reminds of a video I was watching of those guys in Nigeria stoning a woman to death in broad daylight and people were just spectating and joining in. Or a video circulating from India where they asked men about rape and some gave answers like “if a woman goes out of her house without a man she’s asking to be raped.” In America too there’s some variation as well. In the hood I grew up in most people would mind their business if they saw a women getting beat unless it was the…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 12:38 AM
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To each their own. You can always say no if you’re not about that vibe but for women that know they want kids this is a better bet because it’s more insurance that the guy you pick actually wants to be a present father.
/r/AntiFeminists29/06/22 12:34 AM
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In America maybe not. It’s still too fake nice. I’ve straight up told people they may never find love and it’s best to make peace with that just in case and no one ever takes it well.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 12:22 AM
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An extremely attractive and rich man. That’s a no brainer. That’s life on easy mode and free of judgment and risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 12:21 AM
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No she’s not. If you check her page that’s just literally her view. She’s tradcon and doesn’t believe in sex before marriage. At best you can say she’s poking fun at feminists who say being sexually liberal is empowering as she’s saying she finds empowerment in the opposite.
/r/AntiFeminists29/06/22 12:16 AM
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That they don’t have compatible long term goals so they wouldn’t work out. Maybe he wants kids and she doesn’t, he’s conservative she’s liberal or vice versa. Radically different religious or lifestyle views etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 12:14 AM
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The same reason it’s devastating to women. No one likes to be lied to and betrayed by someone they trusted.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 12:13 AM
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She’s a conservative. It’s in her bio. I doubt she even knows what mgtow is
/r/AntiFeminists29/06/22 12:12 AM
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Wait a minute. . . This girl is a thorough bred conservative, check her Twitter bio.
/r/AntiFeminists29/06/22 12:12 AM
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It’s purely social. Just look at varying reactions to violence against a defenseless woman in different cultures. Some will stand and record, others they’ll be incensed and intervene. It’s all dependent on how they’ve been socialized to view women in their culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 12:11 AM
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You can’t lie and finesse to a judge. They’ll know if you didn’t sign the marriage papers lol. This could be a good thing though. Less sexually reckless people creating traumatized kids.
/r/AntiFeminists29/06/22 12:05 AM
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If they do it’s a good thing but from what I’ve been seeing it’s not about punishing men. Abstinence(from piv sex) is the only way to avoid pregnancy 100%. Some women had pregnancy scares while or bc or bad reactions so they’d rather just avoid it all together. There’s other sexual things they could do though like oral for both partners, handjobs, toys etc. It’s just some women making the personal decision to fully avoid pregnancy. They don’t want to leave things up to chance no matter how slim.
/r/AntiFeminists29/06/22 12:01 AM
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The raw number is what matters more. Realistically they’ll probably approach and be rejected by the same number of men. Even if they’re picking from a different pool now. Plus either way doesn’t change the fact that one type of rejection is less severe than the other. I’d rather be told no by 100 women I approach them be pegged and dumped by even 5 of them. Same shit here. Someone you don’t really no and haven’t been intimate with telling you “no” for free is not as harsh as someone you’ve been …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 10:21 PM
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I’m not seeing the issue? They’re both a form of rejection one is just way less intimate, invasive and expensive. So that’s easier to deal with.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 09:42 PM
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Better than being pumped and dumped 50 different times. That’s a bigger ego hit and more expensive.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 09:28 PM
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Yes while directing it at the woman in the pic. So am I missing something here? Do you know of her/know her and saw her berating men for their preferences or what? I don’t get it.
/r/AntiFeminists28/06/22 09:27 PM
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But who was doing that here? The girl in the pic wasn’t. Nor were any of the commenters. Unless I missed something?
/r/AntiFeminists28/06/22 06:06 PM
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So then why were you so against this random chick having hers?
/r/AntiFeminists28/06/22 05:44 PM
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So then what’s the issue?
/r/AntiFeminists28/06/22 05:41 PM
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Fair enough. You and your girlfriend are still young so you have plenty of fertile years ahead of you. Just spend wisely, figure out a budget now that works for your lifestyle and save up. You have time
/r/AntiFeminists28/06/22 05:04 PM
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I’m pro choice because I benefited from an ex having an abortion
/r/AntiFeminists28/06/22 04:53 PM
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From the link you provided: “Blac Chyna has an estimated net worth of $10 million” If she actually earns that much she must have a lot of people on her payroll because it’s not adding up. I suspect it’s like the Kylie Jenner billionaire thing. Lying and saying she makes that much so it potentially ends up coming true. E.L James https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/authors/el-james-net-worth/
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 04:51 PM
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Fair enough
/r/AntiFeminists28/06/22 04:49 PM
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Have you tried talking to a professional about it? The thought of having kids can be anxiety inducing because there’s so many what ifs so talking with a professional can sometimes help with that. Or even talking to parents you know that are having a fairly successful go at the whole parenthood thing.
/r/AntiFeminists28/06/22 04:49 PM
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I’m not talking about professional porn studios I’m talking about only fans and cam girls. They’re content is more ethical than porn studios because you know they’re off age and producing the content of their own volition. The likelihood of trafficking is lower as well. As for the rest that goes back to self control. Sexual degeneracy far precedes porn. There have always been people who are sexually deviant and lack self control. Porn didn’t cause that, it just capitalized off a preexisting prob…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 04:48 PM
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Blac Chyna has a net worth of 11 million compared to one of the top selling authors I listed that has a net worth of 150 million. Not to mention black China was already a celeb when she joined only fans while E.L James was not. So E.L James is worth 10x more than blac chyna and she had less of a platform when she got started.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 04:45 PM
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The fan girls are in the millions as well. Those authors I listed didn’t make multi millions and have huge franchises off their series because of just a few thousand fan girls. Horny dudes fapping online is hardly an epidemic. It’s more ethical for them to do it to only fans girls as well because you know where the content came from and that the person doing it is of legal age.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 04:42 PM
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You’re not labeling her standards though. You’re making the false claim that she’s advocating for mens bodily autonomy to be violated. Idk about you but I’ve never had anyone label me any way for stating my preferences. If I say I like a certain kind of woman the reaction was just “ok cool” and that’s it.
/r/AntiFeminists28/06/22 04:41 PM
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That’s his business. Just as you guys are making fun of her because you don’t like what she said. Someone would make fun of him. It’s always a split of ridicule and defense.
/r/AntiFeminists28/06/22 04:39 PM
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Well that’s good then if she’s understanding. As a word of advice through as someone who’s been in a similar situation. Make sure you communicate and keep checking in every so often to ensure there’s no quiet resentment or impatience building.
/r/AntiFeminists28/06/22 01:28 PM
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It’s safer if you’re both taking preventative measures. Just using one thing the chances are low but never zero. My wife got pregnant on the IUD and we weren’t using anything else at the time. Thankfully, it was around the time we were discussing her getting it removed so we can start trying anyway, but imagine if we both didn’t want a kid yet? Now I’m snipped, she’s on the pill and we use spermicide. She’s been looking into getting snipped too. It’s always safer to have backups.
/r/AntiFeminists28/06/22 01:27 PM
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Fair enough. I just always propose being on the same page. It’s less drama. My wife and I both knew we were one and done. We have some gametes frozen if in the future we change our minds but it’s unlikely. It’s was less pressure and drama because there’s no arguments about when to start, no one secretly moping because they’re ready and their partner isn’t etc. You guys are young though and it seems this is your first and only relationship.
/r/AntiFeminists28/06/22 01:24 PM
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Jacking off is a gender neutral term if you find it unpalatable, dj, flick the bean etc can work as stand ins. Also pleasure note the last paragraph isn’t directed towards you personally. It’s a general statement about those who consume erotic media as we were just discussing people forming para social relationships and becoming violent. What is that behavior if not spiraling? If you want to have a debate about the ethics of child pornography that’s a different discussion. However when it comes …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 01:22 PM
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Still doesn’t explain why you didn’t get a girl on the same page lol. Is she on birth control?
/r/AntiFeminists28/06/22 01:17 PM
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Why would you get with a woman who wants kids when you don’t want them? It would’ve been smarter to get with a woman who also doesn’t want them and you both take individual protective measures.
/r/AntiFeminists28/06/22 12:28 PM
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She literally is. . . by making wiser partner choices. I’m still not seeing the issue here. I think it’s a good thing because then her and the guy are on the same page about no kids. Vs a situation where one party wants then and the other doesn’t and they’re just living a facade. It’s good to be straightforward either you both want them or you both don’t.
/r/AntiFeminists28/06/22 12:27 PM
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Yes and what she wants are men who have gotten vasectomies. So she’s being responsible and making sure she only sleeps with men who have little to no chance of impregnating her. I don’t see what’s so offensive about it. Like the fruit example. Me only wanting to eat strawberries takes nothing away from those who want other fruits.
/r/AntiFeminists28/06/22 12:22 PM
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Choosing partners wisely is a part of being sexually responsible. Let’s use stds as an example. While you should be getting tested yourself, does selecting only from partners who have also gotten tested mean you’re throwing your responsibility to them? Or is it just taking extra precautions?
/r/AntiFeminists28/06/22 12:21 PM
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Because she wants to sleep with likeminded people. Plus it’s safer if both parties are taking multiple protective measures vs one. Even if she is closing off options? Why is that an issue? Men without vasectomies still have plenty of women to sleep with who don’t have this as a selection criteria so it’s really not hurting anyone. It’s being sexually responsible when you know you don’t want kids.
/r/AntiFeminists28/06/22 12:12 PM
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Yes. She’s also saying she wants to sleep with likeminded people. There are men out there who have already had vasectomies for their own personal reasons. Men from that pool are the only ones she wants to have sex with. She only wants to sleep with men who don’t want kids, who have had a vasectomy as a result.
/r/AntiFeminists28/06/22 12:10 PM
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Compounding multiple forms nullifies the failure rate even further so it’s safest to use multiple forms.
/r/AntiFeminists28/06/22 12:09 PM
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Except that’s not what’s happening. She’s not reinforcing anyone what to do with their body. She’s just saying what she wants sexually in a crass way. It’s like this. If you said you only want to eat strawberries. Is that you forcing everyone to eat strawberries? Or are you saying for you personally you don’t want to eat any other fruits and won’t take other fruits if offered?
/r/AntiFeminists28/06/22 11:44 AM
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Sir I see you’ve never met an obsessed fan girl. You most certainly can drain your bank account. They’ll buy the same book series in multiple different covers just to collect it because they love it and the characters so much, posters, tea shirts, memorabilia, tickets to book signings, conventions to see the actors speak and all manner of merch. If you’re a reckless spender you can drain your bank account fast on the things that make you horny. Some of them do let the fantasy go to far and they …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 11:43 AM
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Women do the same thing with movie and book characters. Grown women crushing on and attracted to some descriptions in a book. Or an actor who I’ll never who they are who they always refer to as the character and not his real name. So again what’s the difference? Both are fake relationships thirsty people are forming in their heads.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 07:02 AM
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How is it hypocritical? Unless there’s a screenshot I missed where she got mad at a man for only wanting women on birth control or with tubal ligations?
/r/AntiFeminists28/06/22 07:01 AM
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Idk if she will but if you know you don’t want kids or anything else(std/sti) using multiple layers of protection is best. Vasectomy, tubal ligation, spermicide, condom and birth control. Chances of anything slipping by are very low.
/r/AntiFeminists28/06/22 07:00 AM
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It’s a lifestyle thing. Quality of food here isn’t that good and many people don’t really take care of their skin and health. I’ve noticed American culture is more combative in the way they deal with health and diet. While other cultures are preventative. However some things are the same cross culturally. If you’re drinking and smoking too much and not using moisturizer and sunscreen it will age you faster than someone who did those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 03:09 AM
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I’ve noticed that. Especially in small towns where there’s nothing to do and sororities or girls who hang out with frat boys too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 03:06 AM
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The top erotica writers run circles around most OF girls. I put their net worths as their annual incomes are inconsistent because it fluctuates depending on whether or not they’ve put anything out that year. E.L James has a net worth of multi-millions and as far as I know it took her one book series to make the bulk of that. https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/authors/el-james-net-worth/ Slyvia Day is another one https://www.idolnetworth.com/sylvia-day-net-worth-187103 Anne ric…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 03:02 AM
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Depends on how well they took care of themselves. If they didn’t keep up with skincare and their health fervently but didn’t make super unhealthy. Usually by 27-30. If they went overboard and did make super unhealthy choices like lots of drugs, alcohol and too much fast food. Then 24-25. There’s exceptions if they’re genetic anomalies. For women that did keep themselves up fervently their pretty privilege can last until 40-45. 50+ if they have naturally great genetics but if not it starts slowly…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 02:38 AM
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And how old were you guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 02:29 AM
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I think the point is that she wants them to come pre-tied. So in the past you made that decision on your own.
/r/AntiFeminists28/06/22 02:27 AM
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No worries
/r/AntiFeminists28/06/22 02:26 AM
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OF will always be as successful as it is just as erotica will always be successful with women. What’s really the difference between lacing the pockets of a porn star or a porn writer? People get horny and if they can’t fuck, they’ll masturbate and use some kind of aid to assist.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 02:26 AM
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They’re really not if you know how to channel your sexual energy elsewhere. It just takes some self awareness. If you know how you get when you’re overly aroused. Redirect yourself when you feel that feeling bubbling up.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 02:01 AM
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So she didn’t ask why your friend was laughing and you didn’t clarify that his laugh was just a poorly timed coincidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 02:00 AM
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No she’s saying she’s only going to date men who already have it. So the pool of men that got vasectomies for whatever reason is where she wants to find someone to sleep with.
/r/AntiFeminists28/06/22 02:00 AM
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Same lol. Double, triple up on contraceptive measures if you know you don’t want kids. All of them have a margin of error so using more than one lowers the chances of it failing.
/r/AntiFeminists28/06/22 01:45 AM
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Tripling up is safer. You can do all that and also only sleep with men who have the snip.
/r/AntiFeminists28/06/22 01:45 AM
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A vasectomy is a personal choice. You get one if you want one because you know you don’t want kids.
/r/AntiFeminists28/06/22 01:44 AM
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How? She’s not telling men to get one though. She’s saying she only wants to fuck men that already have one.
/r/AntiFeminists28/06/22 01:43 AM
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I think women could handle that as long as you’re swapping it out for pump and dumps. As in, she gets rejected 50 times and ghosted after 1 date but she’s not getting pumped and dumped.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 12:56 AM
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Did she hang up immediately after hearing your friend laugh?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 12:55 AM
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While working a job and now having to clean up after 2 people instead of one by herself. That’s not a better deal than living by herself or living with a man who will split housekeeping 50/50.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 02:35 PM
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They don’t expect it they just desire and fantasize about it. Most US households are dual earners.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 02:22 PM
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She’d still have to hold a job while now doing all the housework and childcare vs a 50/50 who has a man doing half the housework and childcare as well. It’s less responsibilities if the man is splitting chores and childcare vs if he isn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 02:21 PM
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If she gives up her warning potential, how can she afford to leave? See how it doesn’t make sense to call her making her own money exploitative?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 02:20 PM
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Not all men want submission. Some of us want competent partners and equitable relationships. Where we are both dependable people. In general though if someone pays the bills and contributes to the running of the household they will want a say. So the only way you’ll get around that is if you take care of anything so there’s nothing for them to have an opinion about in regards to how the household is run.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 02:16 PM
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They make an effort to locate him and get his consent though is my point. Usually if the fathers want their kids they’ll look for them too and make things easier for child services. If the dad doesn’t want to be found, he didn’t sign the birth certificate, there’s no genetic record. What else are they supposed to do?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 02:11 PM
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From a govt agency and they all support my view. You also don’t have to download the PDF to read it you can read it in a web browser. In the other 2 they show that they make an effort to find the father before permanently turning the child over to the state for good. If they can’t locate the father after a series of attempts then they can’t locate him. They do try via genetic testing, questioning, investigation etc. Some of the fathers that aren’t found probably didn’t want to be found because i…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 02:45 AM
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That's only if you can get the actual sex in the first place. Most men can get sex and are getting it. You may decide when you want to get attention but that's only because you you have to deal with the consequence of having a harder time of getting the attention. It’s not hard to get attention unless you are looking to get it from a specific demographic. If you take it where it comes it’s pretty easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 12:56 AM
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We can become parents without all the pain and fuss of pregnancy. We can benefit from abortion without actually go through that invasive procedure or the painful after effects of the pill. We can sexually enjoy yourself to the fullest extent and not really be judged much. Our biological clock is longer, until death if you don’t care about potential consequences of having kids older. We’re physically stronger, less people bother men when you’re out and about etc. Attention is on our terms we can …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 11:18 PM
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If you mean XY chromosomes then yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 09:41 PM
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I’ll keep editing them in: https://www.childwelfare.gov/pubpdfs/placement.pdf This source breaks down how they find fathers and establishes paternity. It’s lacking a bit as foster care is overcrowded and underfunded but an effort is made to find the fathers of these kids: https://aspe.hhs.gov/what-about-dads-child-welfare-agencies-efforts-identify-locate-involve-nonresident-fathers-research “For the two-thirds of cases in which paternity was established, caseworkers reported that a variety of me…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 09:03 PM
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I’m a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 09:02 PM
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It’s called the truth. How do you think dads who got their kids and babies out of foster care did it?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 08:48 PM
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DNA testing people willingly volunteer their DNA to ancestry websites all the time, the dad could come looking if he knew he got someone pregnant and found her with no baby, plus in some states the drop off locations can’t reveal the parents identity to law enforcement but they can ask for that information and use it to find the other parent. Check the safe haven laws where you live. All 50 states protect from criminal liability but not all 50 are fully anonymous. Either way men have the same ri…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 08:01 PM
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I’m 30. You’re purposely misunderstanding what I’m saying. If the baby or a kid is abandoned they try to find out where it came from and if there is any family that will claim them. The mom didn’t need consent to drop them off there but the agency that collects the child may need consent to adopt them out and they usually try to obtain it to avoid legal complications. If the mom abandons a child and they start the process to adopt that baby out but then the dad shows up for his kid it becomes a …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 03:01 PM
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She doesn’t have to acquire it herself but his consent is needed. If she gives the child up for adoption and the father finds out and disagrees he can get full custody and the state would have to oblige as long as he is fit. It’s when children are taken into custody because they’ve been abandoned or the parent dies they look to find next of kin. The father counts as next of kin.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 02:41 PM
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I disagree even if you drop it down to 30 that’s still too old mentally for many men as the naïveté and immaturity are a big selling point The men you have in mind sound like predators, who would date younger if it was legal. It’s a mixed bag I’m thinking of. Some of them wouldn’t go lower than 20 whether it was legal to go below 18 or not. Others would go younger and you can tell who is who based on them bringing up aoc laws or lack there of in other countries. Like if they seem eerily happy ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 02:38 PM
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Not a leftist. I just understand that if something is not in my body and not affecting my body physically I don’t get to make decisions on it until it comes out of the body it’s in. Once the baby is born that’s a whole different ball game. Once the baby is born if the mother doesn’t want the child they’ll contact the father to grant him full custody if they can find him. If not they go down the line of immediate relatives on both sides. Then if all that fails foster care. So I’m not really sure …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 02:28 PM
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You’re misunderstanding my point. Read through the whole chain. If a man feels women should accept their place and the course of nature and social reactions as a result. Does the same hold true for men? That’s what I want to know. The person I asked answered anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 02:24 PM
1

So are you saying trans men are not men?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 02:21 PM
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Yes. It would help me understand what you consider low and high.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 02:20 PM
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Fathers do have the same right. Men who get pregnant make all the decisions regarding the child prenatally as well as fathers who have full custody.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 02:19 PM
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Please quote where I said that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 02:19 PM
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Marriage has nothing to do with what the original comment said. It’s talking about how women become worthless as they age. They’re naturally disposable in that way and how it’s not mens fault or problem. Another chimed in saying the original commenter isn’t wrong and how it’s the same for men. AFAIK women haven’t found a way to stop aging and the impact it has on their desirability and socially projected worth. So I asked if women should be ok with things being this way? Why are men not ok with …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 02:18 PM
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Such as?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 02:09 PM
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Explain?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 02:09 PM
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You don’t have to tell me anything. I ask if I want to know. You answered the first question so it seemed you be amenable enough to answer the second. No accusations of hypocrisy were lauded. What’s the number?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 02:09 PM
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I complete agree. I’d say culture probably has an impact as well. Depending on what culture you come from you may be more serious at 19 than a western 19 year old. Although you’d probably come off as childish to older people in your own culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 02:08 PM
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I’m just curious because there’s a pattern I’ve noticed and I just want to know if it holds true in his case as well. So far it seems it does.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 02:07 PM
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I disagree even if you drop it down to 30 that’s still too old mentally for many men as the naïveté and immaturity are a big selling point and 30 year olds are more lacking in that than 20 year olds. The secondary reasonings they give for why they like it depends on the man’s intentions. For those who are ill intended it’s about control for those who not so poorly intended it’s about openness and lower inhibitions but ultimately it comes down to them wanting a woman to fit into their lifestyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 02:05 PM
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They are if you fully embrace and accept something.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 01:51 PM
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What’s your N?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 01:50 PM
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She was doing her job and was reimbursed for the time she did it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 01:50 PM
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No parents really have a right to abandon kids. You have to bring them to a foster care center, police, fire station, church etc that can facilitate bringing them to a foster care center. If you just leave them home alone or somewhere else random you’ll get yourself into legal trouble man or woman. As for the rest sure. Already happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 01:49 PM
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Yeah that’s why I don’t do it because at certain times it seems like a kid I’m raising vs a partnership. So it’s not for me. The casual dating aspect makes sense but some of these men are dating and marrying much younger women. I think they just like that dynamic where they’re the daddy and the hero but again it’s weird to me especially when they have kids around that age. It reminds me of a video I saw of a girl and her stepmom who were only a year apart. IIRC she was 21 and her step mom was 22…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 10:10 AM
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Ok fair enough
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 10:05 AM
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They aren’t all red pill but many have overlapping beliefs when you ask them what they like about young women beyond looks. Especially the men who are heavily fixated on a specific age or age gap regardless of their own age. Like 50-60 years who want 18-20 year olds only. I’m not arguing solely about looks. It’s more like this. What would most men choose a woman that looks eternally 21-25 and her mental age is the same as her physical appearance or a woman that looks eternally 21-25 but has the …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 10:05 AM
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I’m talking about men that are into younger women for more than just looks and red pill men often fall into that category. Thought you were discussing the same. Not all men like much younger women. I for one don’t. So this whole discussion wouldn’t really apply to that demographic. I don’t know how much time you’ve spent around younger women when they’re angry but they give Karen’s a run for their money. The difference is, younger women are more sly. Unless they trust you enough to let you know …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 09:40 AM
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Same here I only date within 5 years of my own age upper or lower. At 30 I couldn’t picture myself dating a woman younger than 25 so how other men date 18 year olds at 40,50,60+ is beyond me. Especially when they have kids at or around that same age.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 09:35 AM
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So if red pill men think they’re high value then their videos on what they want are applicable to themselves are they not? I had the opposite experience. I experienced benefits and drawbacks with both. I found older people to be less flighty, harder working, more dependable etc in work environments. For young people though they were more innovative and more open to trying things outside the box as you described. Older people to their detriment were more rigid and unwilling to try to new things a…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 09:32 AM
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Doesn’t answer my question.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 09:28 AM
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I don’t either. However I know not all men think like me and many find the naïveté and immaturity extremely attractive on top of the looks. Naive women are less likely to spot red flags. Less likely to advocate for themselves and enforce their boundaries. Less likely to see problematic behavior for what it is etc. It’s a lot easier to get away with certain things if she thinks that’s just how men are vs having the experience and wisdom to recognize she’s just getting a bad deal from this particu…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 09:20 AM
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Nah it’s not. I had enough ex friends that dated younger women to know. Plus there’s men that come online and openly express it’s because they want a woman that’s more “trainable and amenable”. Nothing about baggage or alpha widows. They just want a wife they can raise and it’s easier to do that with a younger woman because they’re less likely to spot red flags and enforce their boundaries. Plenty of older women can pair bond, they just will speak up quicker if they’re mistreated. That turns a l…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 09:16 AM
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You don’t get a refund if the situation happened already. So if she was pregnant and he paid her for the time she was pregnant you killing the baby after it’s born or forcing her to miscarry doesn’t erase the time she was pregnant that child support is owed for. It would just stop successive payments.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 09:13 AM
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Nah lol unless the person dies as a result of it of course Nope. It should be a capital offense period because you’re potentially endangering someone’s life and forcing parenthood on them. To paraphrase the sometimes pretty funny George Carlin, you notice the broads proposing a sex strike are the ones you wouldn't want to fuck in the first place🤣🤣🤣 I’m not a homosexual so I wasn’t interested in sleeping with men before this roe v Wade situation happened nor will I be now. I’m just a man that ben…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 08:50 AM
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I thought it was clear that I meant redirect it to a sex bot, masturbation or sex toy. Nothing dangerous about that. If you understand a toothache you can handle it better. If you understand what’s causing the pain but you can’t make it to a dentist, you can figure out your own safe at home pain management remedies.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 08:36 AM
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If nature is amoral and women should accept being discarded, why don’t men also do the same? Why are they outraged at being view disposable if it’s ok?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 08:33 AM
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Something can be both you know. Like it can be great to have a job where you make money and art independent but the long hours and poor working conditions can make it burdensome. Same with birth control. The freedom to have more control over your fertility is great but having something that affects your mood, menstrual cycle, weight gain, acne etc on the mild end and blood clotting, blood pressure and possible infertility on the rarer but more severe end are burdensome. 2 things can be true at t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 08:33 AM
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Rape should be a capital punishment, women should stop having sex with men and child support should start when life does. So if that’s at conception then that’s when it should start. That’s which one it should be.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 08:30 AM
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Yes like not sleeping with men period and lobbying to make rape/SA a capital punishment as well as for Child support laws to run concurrent to abortion laws. So as soon as life begins so does child support.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 08:10 AM
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I can accept reality and understand that pedophiles exists. You keep adding “most” when the original quantifier was “many” if you want to deny the reality of pedophiles that’s your business.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 08:00 AM
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Except no one said most men. She said many men. Which is true. There are many men who are pedophiles. Also from the data set you gave it doesn’t show what all the age options were that could’ve been chosen from.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 07:58 AM
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Yet that doesn’t stop pedophiles from claiming “I didn’t know they weren’t 18” when they’re caught doing something unsavory to a person who clearly looks and sounds like a child. Pedophiles exist. Plus you’re forgetting that there’s different types of pedophiles. Some of them are only attracted to a specific age some of them have a gradient so they’ll be attracted to adults and kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 07:44 AM
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Have you ever read or watch the videos of red pulled men talking about how they want to raise a woman, they want a submissive woman, younger women are more trainable etc? Looks are just one piece of the pie. The naïveté and all that comes with it is the other piece. It’s also why many men enjoy the “born sexy yesterday” trope.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 07:41 AM
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Do you have a low n-count?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 07:39 AM
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So why do men fight against the draft so hard and want women to join us in outrage against it if nature is amoral?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 07:38 AM
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Except she didn’t even say all/most men are pedohiles. She just said many. Which is true. Child pornography and child sex trafficking wouldn’t be such robust industries(despite their illegal status most places) if there weren’t a lot of pedophiles driving demand.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 07:36 AM
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Gerontophiles or daddy issues depending on the man’s age.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 07:34 AM
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Except the difference bad attitude vs untrusting isn’t something that has to do with age. A woman of any age can have a bad attitude, however older women are more likely to trust less and be more on guard than younger women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 07:33 AM
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It is being less naive as well more apt to enforce their boundaries, less trusting and open, less likely to take things at face value etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 07:32 AM
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No because the naïveté is another big selling point for men who go for younger women. A woman who physically looks young but has lived and seen 3-4+ decades of life doesn’t have that. She’s probably more experienced. So it would only sway some men who only find appeal in the physical aspects of youth.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 07:31 AM
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With what money? Uprooting your entire life is not cheap. Plus mass amounts of people doing that will drive up COL in certain states compounding the issue further.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 07:19 AM
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Why should non-Americans stay out of it?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 07:18 AM
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You realize it’s more expensive to live in the north than the south? How are southerners going to afford the move?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 07:18 AM
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I agree. Women in the south should stop sleeping with men. They should also lobby to make Rape/SA a capital punishment as well as to have child support laws that reflect abortion laws. So at whatever point their state decides life begins, child support should start there as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 07:16 AM
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Women should stop sleeping with men period and lobby for stricter SA/Rape laws. If they live in a state where abortion is now illegal and they don’t want kids. It’s too risky.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 07:14 AM
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The big deal is this: Red states have already chipped away at the 3 month option and gone as low as they could(Pre-Roe.v.Wade). Some red states also slowly started shutting down their abortion clinics. The fear now is that they’ll take it all the way and flat out ban it now that it’s up to states to decide. Travel is expensive and public transportation in most southern areas is not as up to par as say an NYC and nowhere near as good as most of Europe. So women below middle class wouldn’t realist…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 07:11 AM
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They’ve flip flopped legally on what a fetus is and have now decided that fetuses are not a clump of cells and that they have a right to life. So child support laws should reflect that. If life begins at conception ,not birth , child support should begin there as well and should be upped to include covering at least half the cost of prenatal care. If one law can flip flop, so can others. They should also increase the penalties for rape and sexual assault. Make it a capital offense especially in …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 06:43 AM
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It’s not and there’s female toys you have to clean the Inside of too because things can get in there. Like the satisfier for example. In both cases you can usually dismantle the toy a bit to clean those inner books and crannies.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 06:41 AM
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They should also protest to have child support start at conception in states where abortion is illegal.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 09:53 PM
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They exist and sometimes they fail. Due to user error or a faulty product. Plan B was there as a back up plan for that Abortion was the back up for the backup. Now that one of those backups is off the table for a lot of American women you’ll probably see them being a ltr old bit more sexually picky.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 09:52 PM
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I guess so. Staying in that limbo seems like a miserable position to be in. Logically it would make more sense to accept reality and then explore your options after taking that first step. Reading through the replies though. Most men aren’t there yet. Even the ones that acknowledge the fact that they’re undesirable still don’t want to live past chasing women aimlessly and hopelessly.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 09:49 PM
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They also don’t come with the hassle and headache of dating and rejection often complained about so that equalizes things.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 09:46 PM
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Men online often claim that the majority of men are not getting the satisfaction of being desired anyway and the ones that do(with the exception of top 20% men) are getting it at a cost they loathe to bear. So I don’t understand why they don’t just stop. They don’t have to engage in things that make them miserable just for the chance that their sexual urges might be satiated with a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 09:45 PM
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They already have. The pros and cons of each equalize things especially for men that don’t get sex easily if at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 09:43 PM
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I don’t have problems sexually. I’m simply proposing a solution for men who do. If women are that misery inducing, just walk away from them. You don’t have to do the whole dating song and dance if you don’t enjoy it. You don’t have to put in copious amounts of work to get sex if you feel it’s demoralizing. If the pursuit of women is that mundane and dismal. Just stop doing it. There are alternatives now.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 09:43 PM
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It does and men can do it too. Given their grievances with women it’s a win-win.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 09:41 PM
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They are. Especially for men who aren’t doing well at dating anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 09:41 PM
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I’ve heard of it. Yet even there they still list after women and try to sleep with them. Most of them are not in “monk mode” as they call it where they completely forego sleeping with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 09:40 PM
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You can redirect it. Like with a hunger instinct. You may get hungry and crave certain foods but you can redirect that famished feeling and eat a panini instead of a cheeseburger. Same here. You’ll be horny but you don’t have to use a woman to satiate that urge. You can use a bot, or some other toy to deal with your horniness. Men don’t even need a pill. We just need understanding. If you understand your urges you can figure out a way to handle them that works for you. When you start listing aft…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 09:39 PM
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There’s more a guarantee than if it’s a guy she’s not attracted to as it’s easier to get aroused and be in the head space to facilitate an orgasm with a Chad vs a man she’s not attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 09:36 PM
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I’m simply offering a solution for those who are. They claim 80% of men are undesirable, pursuing women is too much work, women’s standards are impossible and unyielding, rejection is brutal, dating is demoralizing for men etc. So if all that is true at what point does one just walk away?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 09:35 PM
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And?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 09:24 PM
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According to PPD and parts of the Manosphere that discuss dating, most men aren’t being sexually desire by real women either. So nothing would change on that front.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 09:24 PM
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No, it’s more like saying if you can never be in the spec ops or you can’t manage it. Give up, come to terms with it and use call of duty to sublimate any urges you may have. Many men only express frequently how women and modern dating make them miserable. At what point does one walk away and explore alternative options?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 09:23 PM
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They’re already not sexually desirable. So using a sex bot can help to transcend beyond the mental anguish and tediousness of chasing women with poor results.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 09:21 PM
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The cleaning complaints are making me wonder how some of you live here lol. Womens toys need to be cleaned as well. Cleaning is just an inevitable part of life. Even if you had sex with a real women there’s still cleaning that needs to be done to keep things hygienic.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 09:19 PM
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What creeps you out about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 09:18 PM
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If no one knows they can’t shame you. You could also just link up with sex positive people to end the stigma. Putting up with poor treatment just for sex is weaker than walking away anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 01:02 AM
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My argument is that it makes no sense to complain about a situation you can remove yourself from. Using your job analogy. It’d be more like workers choosing to stay at a job and do nothing about it but complain to each other. When they could all go to higher paying jobs forcing their old one to pay competitive wages or have no workers. Men can do more than just complain or suck it up. They can walk away from poor treatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 01:01 AM
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Women will complaint endlessly about the men they date ending up having porn dick ( ie porn induced erectile dysfunction). Women as a group will judge men more intensely for indulging in porn. Some would try to enforce a more militant approach and mandate porn abstinence. Thing is however that once VR becomes as ubiquitous as smartphones, men at all levels of sucess will be affected,. Except maybe the top teir men to whom it makes no difference. Or they would just indulge in their own alternativ…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 12:50 AM
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There’s other people you can talk to besides women. The main thing is men have options outside of women if women make them miserable. Yet they don’t take it. They choose to keep participating in the dating circus then complain women don’t care about them. Why would they when men keep willingly signing up for it?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 12:48 AM
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The ones that are out now. They can’t move but they can talk and some have AI so they can interact with their owners.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 10:37 PM
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When will men move past this mentality and stop the obsession? What will it take?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 10:36 PM
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I have female friends and well and the ones who actually complain about men in the same way men here complain about women bow out of the dating game. I’m not talking about just saying “oh women suck” or “men are trash” after getting spurned. The type of women who will break down why they think men are useless, why marrying or cohabiting with a man is a raw deal for women, how men are terrible in bed etc. They will be single and celibate because they’re put off by men and are tired of dealing wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 10:35 PM
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Heated lube and porn will take care of half of that. The rest you can do with the bot yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 10:32 PM
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No I can not based on the description disgruntled men give of women. A sex bot would be a step up for many of them. They would no longer have to jump through hoops they don’t like, face rejection, fake personality traits, feel demoralized and rejected, walk on eggshells trying to keep up the act so their dry spells don’t get too long etc. Just for “starfish” sex. The fact that you can’t even describe the benefits is telling. It’s all just socialization. It’s counterproductive chasing people you …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 10:31 PM
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They’re good enough considering what bottom 80% men claim women provide and price can be worked around by re-organizing your finances. Plus the more men buy into sex bots the more funding companies have to expand and improve based on customer feedback.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 10:27 PM
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And it never gets a straight answer. Why don’t men who are made miserable by women stop pursuing them?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 10:25 PM
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We also grow up in an age where if you have Internet access and a smart device or computer you can go online and see discussions from the opposite and same sex that were once less accessible. Most of the men here are not blue pill. Their illusion of women as a whole has been shattered to the point where many want to forego marriage, they understand and bemoan the effort it takes to date women men who aren’t top 20% often complain how it’s demoralizing. They grow resentful and it’s safe to say ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 10:24 PM
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I’m asking the right questions and then asking follow ups. The closest thing I’ve gotten to a true answer is hits to pride, I’ve yet to get an answer on why men don’t move past this part.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 10:20 PM
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I’m talking about actual sex bots. The Ai is developing but they’re not indistinguishable from a human physically or mentally yet. Either way I don’t think it matters as the things men are listing they want from women they also claim bottom 80% men don’t get anyway. Or if they do it’s inconsistent and at great cost. So why not just take a step back and refocus your energy and attentions away from women?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 10:18 PM
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Men talk in depth about this in their own spaces. I’m just wondering at what point does one decide to move past it and find a way to move past this. Humans have moved past natures intent countless times. We don’t always succumb to the natural intended course of death via infection or disease. The natural course of wanting to violently lash out when angered or threatened etc. Certain things can be worked past if you’re conscious of them. So I don’t understand why men are reluctant to take that ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 10:17 PM
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Same person that cleans all your other stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 07:44 PM
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Why is the AI part important. The way men describe women here and what they offer it’s not much different all that’s missing is the breath and heat.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 07:43 PM
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What I’m saying does jive with it. They’ll also tell women to be less picky and lower their standards. Something men say very frequently here on this sub. Which contradicts your claim that they say don’t go out with a man you’re not interested in. Based on the other things you said though. Marriage under 30 has a higher risk of divorce so that’s not beneficial to a woman that wants to increase the likelihood her marriage will last. A woman not having her own money puts her in a vulnerable positi…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 07:42 PM
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Reallocating money you spend on dating and some other leisure activities for 2 years or so takes care of cost. And presumably you have to do chores anyway once you have sex so what’s one more. For the other 2 it nullifies all the other downside to dating so it balances things out.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 07:36 PM
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Something they don’t have and they claim it’s demoralizing trying to find it so why not just stop.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 07:34 PM
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There are male ones as well. They’re just less talked about because heterosexual men and what they buy is the primary focus when it comes to sex dolls and sex bots.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 07:33 PM
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Except it’s not though. Humans have challenged nature in many ways. Why not do it here as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 07:32 PM
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What state?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 07:31 PM
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It’s not even just about them being anti social recluses . It’s about their complaints. Apparently women offer nothing but sex and they make men jump through hoops&bounds, put in disproportionate amounts of effort and it ends up only being mediocre starfish sex unless you’re a top 20% guy. So if that’s the case why not just stop doing all that? When women are dissatisfied with dating they just stop dating and focus on themselves and other things they find pleasure in. When men are dissatisfied t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 07:30 PM
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Women who complain about men will stay single and masturbate or do other things. They don’t chase the same people they resent. So I don’t understand why men don’t do the same? Why continue to chase women when it’s apparently misery inducing and you don’t have to do it? That’s the crux of the issue. When women are fed up with men, they’ll complain but they’ll walk away from dating. When men are fed up with women they complain and still participate in the dating game they claim to hate. But why? I…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 07:26 PM
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Redirecting some leisure spending particularly money you’d spend on dates even just coffee or drinks and you could come up with 10k in 2 years or so if you’re not well off. The extras aren’t really needed as bottom 80% men claim they’re not getting that from women anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 07:24 PM
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I’m saying the ease balances out the small decrease in enjoyment.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 07:22 PM
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It takes a lot more effort to get to that point than it does with a bot. Foregoing the negatives of dating counteracts the few positives you’ll miss out on using a bot instead of chasing a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 07:21 PM
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Changes are not happening in the direction they want though. You’ll frequently hear many comment how they think the downsides of modern dating are getting worse and how they don’t think things will change in the time they’re actively dating. So just walk away. A sex bot would be going against the grain but no one would have to know you’re doing it really. It’s not like it’s a public or loud political or social stance. It’s a quiet personal choice. Plus the more men do it, the more normalized it …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 07:20 PM
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This would make sense. As another commenter pointing out: so many claim dating women makes them miserable. They loathe the process, they view the work of getting a woman as burdensome and tedious for little if any reward. They claim women provide nothing but sex when they even manage to get that far. So if sex is all you’re getting but it comes with so many headaches why not just skip the headaches and use a tool that can provide you sexual pleasure instead? Then the rebuttal is that the sex bot…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 07:17 PM
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You wouldn’t even need to tell them that. They do it on their own or seek out other alternatives to men. So I don’t understand why men don’t do the same? Especially considering they claim to be made miserable by women on an even deeper level interpersonally. So if women who allegedly have it easier in sex, dating and romance than men will forgo dealing with men when they’re unsatisfied why don’t men who have it even harder do the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 07:14 PM
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That taboo can be broken.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 07:12 PM
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Get one, what’s stopping you?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 07:12 PM
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Men don’t give women better advice even when you blanket it. Both sexes give the other advice that benefits the group of those giving advice not the group of those seeking it. Men will tell women to approach, sleep with a guy quickly and do xyz that will benefit men but it doesn’t necessarily benefit the woman seeking advice and in some cases can be a hindrance. Same in reverse. Women give men advice that benefits women not men. All in all any advice you’ll get from the opposite sex on how to at…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 07:11 PM
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Some of them do talk. Men investing in the market now would drive the advancement of the other traits though. Isn’t the claim that women only provide starfish sex to men that aren’t top 20% anyway? So why would it matter if the bot puts itself in different positions. The only losses are no breath and warmth but in exchange you forgo all the pitfalls of dating and finding a partner and maintaining the dynamic with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 07:08 PM
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They don’t exist yet. There’s a growing market for pretend content that provides that though solicited by women. So what’s your answer on getting a sex bot? Would you get one why or why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 07:06 PM
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Apparently neither are women as bottom 80% men claim they’re made so miserable by pursuing them. So why not try a sex bot?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 07:05 PM
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No I mean sex bots as their heads move and some of them can talk.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 07:04 PM
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Sex bots also don’t require courting, you don’t have to spend much or go through much effort to get sexual pleasure from it. There’s less positives but all the negatives of dating are eradicated with sex bots.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 07:03 PM
2

If masturbation works for you that’s great. My main point is why don’t men just walk away from women if they’re made so miserable by them? Usually the reply is something to do with sex which is why I brought up the sex bot.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 07:02 PM
1

So then men should have it easy attracting and dating thin women if they’re in such large supply. Just change up your circle.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 07:01 PM
5

Thats your business if you feel that way. You don’t have to love it as if it were a real woman. Love it for what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 07:00 PM
2

You can get companionship from other male friends. Plus bottom 80% men claim women don’t even offer that with any consistency. So why not have build strong relationships with friends and family for companionship, emotional support etc and then have the sex bot for sexual pleasure?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 07:00 PM
7

I’m starting to see that. It’s not adding up. It just sounds like attempts and hamstering/rationalizing obsession with women. Based on how men describe how women treat bottom 80% men a sex bot would be an upgrade for them. So why not just walk away from the misery inducing dating game and get one?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 06:59 PM
4

They complain they’re not getting the illusion they desire despite great effort. So at what point does one just walk away? It’s not like it was 100 years ago where mens options were to chase women or fap to still images. There’s bots, there’s porn, there’s sex dolls, toys etc. There’s a plethora of options for men that are miserable with dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 06:56 PM
10

Yeah this is what I’m starting to see. It doesn’t make sense. It just seems like poor attempts at rationalizing and hamstering obsession with women when there’s options outside of that. Because if you think about it deeper. Either women are providing more to more men than the complaints would have you believe. Or there’s another deeper reason more men don’t just leave the game. Either way it’s not adding up.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 06:55 PM
3

So why not get a sex bot and direct your sexual energy there?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 06:55 PM
4

Yeah this is what I’m starting to see. It doesn’t make sense. It just seems like poor attempts at rationalizing and hamstering obsession with women when there’s options outside of that. Because if you think about it deeper. Either women are providing more to more men than the complaints would have you believe. Or there’s another deeper reason more men don’t just leave the game. Either way it’s not adding up.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 06:55 PM
3

This is something they’re consciously aware of and that they also complain about. So what’s the hold up with just taking the next step and walking away?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 06:50 PM
2

They’re technologically advanced enough now. Especially for men that aren’t top 20%. They’ll replicate a good chunk of what bottom 80% men claim they get from women while nullifying all of the headache. So why wait? More men getting them now may even speed up the process of their development and advancement.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 06:49 PM
2

I’m saying use it in lieu of a partner all together. As in get out of the dating matrix all together with it’s pit falls and drawbacks and just get a bot or VR porn. Society won’t look down on a man for being single if he’s still well adjusted. Enjoy your hobbies, time with friends and family all you’re doing is replacing the circus of sex and dating with a bot.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 06:47 PM
0

Why are they not good enough? They come free of dating stress, it’s a consistent outlet for pleasure and the biggest maintenance is keeping it clean.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 06:45 PM
1

What state?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 06:44 PM
2

The thing is though their fan bases aren’t comprised of use 15 year olds. There’s adult women as well who love them. They skew younger(under 30) but they’re still women none the less.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 06:44 PM
2

Costs such as what? And I’m factoring in the costs vs rewards of the bot or VR porn and weighing them against the cost vs rewards of dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 06:43 PM
8

People do it already. It’s just different kinds of love.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 06:42 PM
4

Which I don’t get. Why chase after something you resent so much to the point it makes you miserable when you literally don’t have to? That or the complaints are bs, because there’s ways out. It’s just up to the men who complain whether they want to take it or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 06:41 PM
1

You’d also know you’re getting to do it free of stress and headaches.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 06:39 PM
2

Fair enough
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 05:32 PM
1

Stigma can be over come and if bot sales go up it will create a new market for more efficient cleaning products/methods.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 05:32 PM
-4

The bot makes it more visually and physically arousing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 05:32 PM
10

I have, in other male spaces and when women are brought up it’s often the same thing over and over again. Complaints about women’s standards, rejection, women’s skill or lack there of in bed, how much work it is to get a date/sex etc. So my question is why not just get a bot and forgo all those grievances and all that suffering? You’ll sacrifice a bit on the pleasure(if you were even getting the perks from women in the first place) but you’d be free of all the downsides.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 05:31 PM
2

They’re better than the miserable alternative. So why not give it a try?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 05:28 PM
1

If you’re already in a relationship that makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 05:28 PM
2

Many men aren’t being wanted, desired and respected by real women and they’re very vocal about how that demoralizes them, then another chunk get it but at a cost that makes them miserable to pay. All I’m saying is there’s options. You don’t have to live a life obsessed with women and miserable over rejection or imbalanced work for little reward.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 05:27 PM
1

Why not save up and get a bot or use VR porn now? Do you live with other people? If not you can just put the doll in a closet if you have one when guests come over.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 05:26 PM
3

More so like asking why a homeless person doesn’t live in a camper or tent vs on the street exposed to the elements. The complaints men here have about women greatly trump the benefits/perks they claim come with dealing with women. To add to that they also frequently complain the perks that come with women are extremely hard to acquire and inconsistently gained. So if you’re putting in tons of work to get women and barely seeing pay off why not just quit the work and get a substitute? It may not…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 05:25 PM
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It’s not very few. Just read through the threads here you’ll see it. Many are very resentful of women, dating is tedious, hard and miserable work to them because they feel women are too picky. All in all they’re dissatisfied with women. A fleeting feeling of desirability that they don’t even get with any consistency doesn’t explain why they keep putting themselves through this.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 05:22 PM
2

You probably just have a different type. Their fan bases speak for themselves though. They’re the new hotties causing the frenzy Brad Pitt did in his youth.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 05:20 PM
2

You can work around that. Releasing in the sex bot to simulate the satiation of the urge to release in a woman and reproduce.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 05:18 PM
1

What state?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 05:16 PM
1

You can have kids without a relationship with a woman and doing the whole dating song and dance. Surrogacy is a thing there’s also a small but growing number of people who want kids but not a relationship who are looking for co-parents to have kids with.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 05:10 PM
3

Whether it’s honest or dishonest is a matter of perception. It’s very honest to admit to yourself that you don’t enjoy something and would be better served by an easier alternative.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 05:08 PM
-19

It is. You get an orgasm.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 05:07 PM
6

I completely agree. The other aspect of it that I’ve thought on. Who wants to be with a partner that doesn’t desire them and is only with them out of desperation? I think when the “lower your standards” statement is made people are very shortsighted. For women they say it to get men off their back and for men they say it in the hopes they’ll get sex from some desperate woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 05:06 PM
2

The stigma is something that can be overcome in this lifetime. Even if you want to sleep with other human beings risk vs reward could tip you in favor of a bot. You don’t have to worry about rejection, do the whole dating song and dance if you don’t enjoy it etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 05:03 PM
3

How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 05:01 PM
4

These are things sexually unsuccessful men aren’t getting from women. So why continue to pursue it and be miserable when you can just leave the game?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 05:01 PM
1

Which is? If it’s NY venture out of the city and you’ll see something. Even if you stay inside NYC but explore the boroughs in full you’ll see a lot of overweight people. Not everyone there is slim, trim and sexy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 05:00 PM
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I understand the intimacy but among the grievances men here have with women. Lack of emotional support, intimacy, love, regard etc are mentioned. So if you’re not getting that from women anyway, what difference does it make whether or not a sex doll or sex bot can provide that?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 04:58 PM
3

And right there where you’re at is probably full of fat people as well. You just don’t notice them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 04:56 PM
1

Thank you! I appreciate it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 04:55 PM
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Maybe your view is deviant from a lot of the men here but how do you factor this take into men here saying women should lower their standards if they want different dating results? Do you think the same is applicable to men who shirk unattractive women?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 04:54 PM
3

Most women across the US in general. The % of women that are overweight/obese is very high in the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 04:52 PM
6

You can learn to love the sex bot. Many here complain women don’t provide romance, love and emotional support anyway. They claim all women provide is sex so if that’s all your after a sex bot is a perfectly reasonable investment. It’s a one time purchase you can save towards if you’re not well off. Just maintain the upkeep and it will last you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 04:51 PM
4

That’s how most American women look. So if you want something better than that. There will be a lot of competition.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 04:48 PM
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So this proves the point here many women make that unattractive women are just as invisible as unattractive men. They’re not included or thought of in discussions about what women do/don’t do.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 04:46 PM
1

Or just get a sex bot. I will never understand why some men are so obsessed with humans they don’t even like. Just walk away. Go mgtow and get a sex bot. It’s more freeing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 04:41 PM
2

Women have wanted romance since before Disney. They just also want it from a wild, ruthless sexy man. All of that is unlikely to exist in one man so you see them settle for one, the other or nothing irl.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 04:39 PM
0

Because she gets an orgasm from him. She doesn’t get that from an ugly or average man that wants a fuck doll.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 04:38 PM
1

Because she actually gets an orgasm. What would she get from a guy who’s not sexually arousing and who there’s not emotional connection with? If her goal is to get 2 but the options are 1 or 0. Why be surprised that she picks 1?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 04:37 PM
1

Why not just get a sex bot? One time purchase and you won’t have to keep paying a vapid, empty headed escort.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 04:36 PM
3

This is more accurate and if you read womens fantasy novels or watch movies catered to their sexual and romantic desires this is exactly what’s happening. They want a wild alpha who is tender with them at times but also rough and virile. They want him to be kind and compassionate but also ruthless and mercenary when it comes to protecting/defending her their family etc. Finding all those traits in one man is unlikely in real life so depending on a woman’s values you’ll either see her settle for …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 04:34 PM
1

Why do you care whether women like it or not? You can do what you want to do and they can do what they want to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 04:29 PM
2

Those things are readily available now. Especially in the west for anyone that wants them. Yet people are still trying to do the relationship thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 04:28 PM
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Men don’t give good dating advice to women. Women get the best dating advice from other women who got the type of man they(the women seeking advice) are looking for. Inter-sex advice is mostly useless. The best source is someone who has achieved what you’re looking to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 04:24 PM
1

You’re confusing micro and macro scale, society is macro scale and both sexes need each other for that. Micro scale human advancement has enabled people to still live perfectly fine lives without sex or romance. It’s not like previous times when you’d need someone to help protect you or assist in the maintenance of your living. Women no longer need husbands to put a roof over their heads and provide and men no longer needs wives to do necessary but tedious daily tasks or to assist in farm work(o…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 04:07 PM
1

May just be different cups of tea. Women from 18-30 are lusting after these dudes now. There’s some that lust after older Hollywood men but the younger Hollywood it boys are who have the women(and teenage girls too) going crazy these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 04:02 PM
1

That’s fine if you disagree. On the micro scale both men and women can survive without romance, sex etc. Most members of each sex are fairly self sufficient and can provide for themselves and maintain their own individual survival. On the macro scale if you kill all men today or kill all women today you’ll have global collapse. I understand your disagreement but you’re thinking future scale. I’m speaking on currently. In the future women could replace men with AI or men could replace women with …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 04:00 PM
1

I know, what I’m saying though is if the guys don’t know her exact age she can get away with it depending on how well or how poorly she aged.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 07:55 PM
1

Fair enough
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 07:37 PM
1

It is if they date much older than themselves but most don’t want to do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 07:37 PM
1

The comment about 35 year old women not being able to get relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 07:36 PM
1

Idk. Some of them seem and explicitly say they want teens only maybe early 20s max
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 07:36 PM
1

They have a lot of choices. They could hang out with their friends&family and drink water.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 04:33 PM
1

They have a lot of choices. They could hang out with their friends&family and drink water.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 04:04 PM
1

They have a lot of choices. They could hang out with their friends&family and drink water.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 03:58 PM
1

They’re not all incels. They’re just men with preferences for very young women expressing it angrily.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 03:58 PM
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On a micro scale no one needs anyone really. You can survive just fine without each other. Men and women need each other on a macro scale though. If you eradicate one sex or the other society collapses.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 03:48 PM
1

Or they can raise their kids, have fun with friends and drink water.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 03:47 PM
1

Or they can raise their kids, have fun with friends and drink water.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 03:47 PM
1

u/NewDoom83 Only if they know she’s 35.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 03:46 PM
1

Only if they know she’s 35
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 03:46 PM
1

Only if they know she’s 35.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 03:45 PM
1

Idk if they’re all incels they’re just men with a preference for very young women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 03:45 PM
1

I know and the claim is that those women have hit the wall. Some cultures it’s 25. In the west it’s mostly 30 or 35 when women are considered to have “hit the wall”
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 02:38 PM
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You tell me. Idk if it’s still up but that’s all they’d point out on the wall subreddit, fine lines, wrinkles and loss of facial volume of women 30+.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 02:35 PM
0

They say older women are not good looking period because they say, wrinkle etc. “The wall” is all encompassing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 02:32 PM
2

Do you have proof I downvoted you or are you just lauding false allegations to add to your argumentative fantasy? Because looking at your comments I don’t see any down or upvotes on it. What can we see? If you’re talking about people in this chain at the bottom is says 7 are here currently. Are you mentally well?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 01:58 PM
6

I didn’t downvote you. I asked why you wanted them after providing them. Reading through the comments everyone else here did the same as myself and just theorized. When did I blame men for everything exactly and what am I meant to be threatened by? Seems like you’re just interested in raging about something and I made the mistake of entertaining you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 01:32 PM
3

Women under 25 that like pretty boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 11:32 AM
5

Gosling is old compared to the new hot young Hollywood men coming up. There’s new Hollywood it boys now like Timothy Chalamet, Finn wolfhard, Tom Holland, Dylan O’brien etc
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 11:31 AM
2

What does the younger person get? Used and discarded?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 11:17 AM
2

Not that desperate. If so older women would relax their age preferences yet they don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 11:16 AM
1

That is the wall. They say the women are ugly and worthless holistically because they’re not a hot, young and tight as they used to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 11:14 AM
1

Not likely. Most older women have preferences that age with them. Many would also feel gross and predatory dating younger men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 11:12 AM
5

Depends on who the clientele is honestly
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 10:50 AM
3

Relationship commodification: https://futurism.com/chatbot-abuse/amp https://cuddlist.com/ Rejection killings: https://gen.medium.com/revenge-killings-need-to-be-tracked-37e78a1cf6ce https://aldianews.com/politics/policy/take-no-answer https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/06/13/china/china-tangshan-restaurant-gender-violence-intl-hnk-mic/index.html Gun ownership: https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/national/two-americas/the-second-amendment-wears-lipstick-study-shows-gun-ownership-among-women-on-the-ris…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 10:50 AM
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My apologies I need to get to bed. I thought you were responding to the part of my comment about increase in violence not the self defense portion. As for the self-defense portion like I said. You’d have a lot more people lobbying for self-defense laws to be more lenient and they’d have a good case once violent crime starts going up.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 02:29 AM
2

They have issues because they’re depressed, neurotic and overly anxious. Their issues with women are a negative feedback loop. Therapy could help them get out of that mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 02:19 AM
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Legality never stopped people. They’ll just get creative. In the US you have people pushing others in subways, tossing feces on people, running people over with their cars, pricking people with needles etc. All illegal actions that will get you in trouble but it doesn’t stop them. Same with gun laws. You’re not supposed to bring guns into schools and start firing on kids yet that doesn’t stop psychos. There were 2 cases I read of not too long ago in Canada as well again with the feces stuff. Whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 02:09 AM
2

A promiscuous man. She prefers virgin men. That means no sex of any kind.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 01:16 AM
2

Browsing through they definitely seemed depressed but most of them seem harmless
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 01:10 AM
5

Or she could just avoid men that are high risk for that all together
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 01:09 AM
1

I’d say it’s equal for this reason. Men more often have the desire but women more often have the opportunity. So it ends up equalizing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 11:49 PM
11

No problem
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 11:04 PM
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In the west? There’s Sex bots, AI girlfriends and boyfriends. Only fans and amateur porn makers taking custom orders, professional cuddlers, asmr content creators role playing as boyfriend and girlfriends etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 10:57 PM
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You’ll see more people of both sexes staying single and having less sex and being content with that. The former at least. You’ll see more male violence as a result of sexual frustration. You’ll see more resentment from both sides as the violence peaks and men who aren’t participating in it feel unfairly persecuted. You’ll probably also see more gun ownership from women and more women lobbying for more lax self defense laws when it comes to defense against sexual violence. You’ll see sex and roma…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 10:34 PM
1

You can observe based on couples who are just like that. As well as religious folks who save themselves for marriage. Look at how the women act when they’re extremely attracted to their husbands vs when they’re not.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 10:29 PM
1

Before and after old. The number of women who never dated “chads” is lower now than back in the day however they still exist and they are similar to women from pre-old that never dated chads. They’ll be loyal, give lots of familial love but sexually it’s not the same as if you were a man they were viscerally attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 10:10 PM
4

I had the opposite experience but I realize it may probably be because the woman I was dating where more masc or in between the spectrum of masc and femme and the men I was dating were more femme.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 10:09 PM
2

It’s more like this. All you have to eat is bread. It’s not good it’s not bad. You’ll eat it but never as enthusiastically as someone who has high quality food eats theirs. Plenty of women who dated their looksmatch or below right out of the gate and their husbands are still considered beta bucks because they’re not getting the sexual and romantic energy from their partners that they would if their partners found them more attractive. They get lots of familial love, loyalty and support which is …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 10:06 PM
2

Either way they’re still with someone they’re not genuinely attracted to. Which is the crux of the beta bucks complaint.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 09:58 PM
2

They’re not attracted to those people though. Which is why they try to avoid dating them and they go for what they want instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 09:56 PM
2

Would most men truly want that anyway. Many here complain about being the beta bucks or second choice which is what you’ll be if women start adjusting their standards post rejection.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 09:56 PM
1

None, pay for sex as long as the escort is there legally(of age and not trafficked) Better yet, get a sex bot.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 09:12 PM
1

People here often seem to forget that not everyone has the same libido or priorities.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 08:38 PM
1

Roe v. Wade isn’t applicable globally and even in the US certain states have been chipping away at it using loopholes. If you have an abortion past your states set timeline it can then become a criminal matter. In countries where abortion is illegal it is also a criminal matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 03:41 PM
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Woman can be subpoenaed in places where abortion is a criminal matter. In places where it’s not they’re not subpoenaed. What’s confusing you? Outside of that though your DNA man or woman is your private business as long as you don’t give it away.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 03:03 PM
1

So after doing something that would result in you being court mandated to have dna testing and getting subpoenad for it that means men have no dna rights? They can’t call any random man off the street and do that. It’s only applicable if there’s probable suspicion to believe you’re the father of the child in question. As for your Roe v.Wade comment. False equivalence. Your doctor can not divulge information on your sex life(without your consent) that would lead to arousing the courts suspicion. …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 02:22 PM
1

After a sperm fertilizes an egg everyone is screwed. However everyone(in developed countries at least) have reproductive rights before that point and access to prevention methods and fertility treatments that enable them to reproduce on their terms. Like I’m not entirely sure what you’re asking here? Artificial wombs for men? If so they’re coming, they haven’t been well tested in male bodies yet though. Everyone has the right to privacy regarding DNA testing until you do something that gets you …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 10:16 AM
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They all guarantee reproductive rights and they’re the same things(just swap sperm for eggs) women have to do to ensure theirs as well. So by your logic I guess no one has reproductive rights?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 01:12 AM
2

Men have reproductive rights as well. One of which is the freedom to not have kids if they don’t want to pay child support. The freedom to freeze sperm, use spermicide and condoms, advocate for advancements in male birth control etc to ensure they have children on their terms. All of the above enables them to still have sex while avoiding reproduction if they’re not ready for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 12:05 AM
1

Well then I can’t give you a yes or no answer as I’ve eaten several types of bread last and I still don’t know if we’re both in the US during this trade. Not enough context to answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 12:04 AM
2

Men don’t have to have kids which would result in no child support. Plenty don’t have to pay child support either anyways because they don’t have jobs, they’re the custodial parent or another person takes over what would’ve been their duties.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 07:39 PM
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Mens idea of an attractive man doesn’t always overlap with womens though. Same in reverse. You have to look at the lives of men that are insanely sexually popular with women. What’s the ratio of positive to negative experiences for them and why were the negatives negative. Those men are the ones with the most power in dating and sex. Sure the group of men may change depending on social trends but that’s no different than the type of women considered attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 07:28 PM
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This is the thing. I've dated women in gyms, on tinder, on swinging sites, had sex in swingers clubs, had one night stands...there was fundamentally little difference in regards to what turned on those women. They were fundamentally driven by my looks. What’s the longest any of those women waited to have sex with you and under what circumstances? Were you an exclusive couple at first or was it before any of that happened? My girlfriends sexual appetite is higher than that of women I slept with w…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 07:22 PM
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It’s the same with women and men. Those men are in a better position than attractive women who are also at the mercy of whatever men find them attractive. For both groups they’ll have the largest segment of the population interested in them sexually so they can be picky if they wish.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 07:19 PM
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So then the sex sucked. If they’re top tier and the sexual experience was good or at least good enough they’d have repeats.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 07:00 PM
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You still didn’t answer what type of bread it is, if the other person and I are both in the US or what are the circumstances of the other person on the other end of the deal. Those two things are something set by you in your hypothetical as they have nothing to do with my circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 06:58 PM
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That’s what I’m guessing because men like that have their pick of the litter. They’re the most “privileged” in terms of sex and dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 06:57 PM
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They have more women than men because men on average make more than women. Also in the wild you’ll find more men than you can count willing to throw women their dicks with little to no requirements from the women they’re soliciting. When it comes to throwing their money and resources. Men are much more selective about who they give it to and under what circumstances. It’s about the supply of dick vs money in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 06:56 PM
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When it comes to things like swinging it certainly does. It means that person is risk taking enough to be non-monogamous but they want it in a semi controlled environment where they don’t have to do too much of the vetting work themselves. That’s a very specific type of person. Same with people who only wait until marriage or they have a certain level of connection or whatever else until they have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 06:54 PM
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So you’re saying the guys are getting ghosted before they meet/sleep with the women or what? I guess it was my fault for assuming but I thought you were saying it like attractive men were being ghosted an abnormal amount in comparison to their smv. Seems they’re just having the same experience as everyone else(in terms of getting ghosted anyway)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 06:51 PM
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Top 1-5% guys getting ghosted and jerked around? Do you mind expanding on this.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 01:24 PM
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Depends on what your starting point is. If you’re at least 5’9 it’s not hard at all. If you’re shorter then it will be extremely hard. Certain things can up your chances but you may not be in the top 20% unless you get a crazy status/wealth boost.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 01:23 PM
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One thing you seem to forget. Those books about women falling in love with rich men the rich male leads are also physically attractive and not too old. So I don’t know how good of an example that is. They’re not being fallen for just because they’re rich. It’s because they’re the whole package, tall, great hair, handsome face, fit body, charming and rich.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 01:22 PM
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Men are not sexually restrained by society. As long as you are not infringing on someone else’s bodily autonomy, or sleeping with kids you have the same social wiggle room that women have. You can do what you like with however many adults you can get to agree to do it with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 01:17 PM
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The thing about women answering that money isn’t important. For most of them when asked something like that they’re imagining a guy they already like that has a lot of positives going for him. They like how he looks, how he acts etc. So money doesn’t hold as much because they already like him so as long as he can support himself they’re content. The women are also genuinely independent themselves. They make enough to be self sufficient and plan to stay that way post-relationship. Money only star…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 01:15 PM
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Using your sugar example. Those women would be weighing wealth significantly higher than the average woman and weighing looks lower than average women to compensate. So they wouldn’t be very representative of each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 01:10 PM
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How is it nonsensical. Sexuality is a spectrum. Some women are into sex significantly less than other women. It’s disingenuous to think that doesn’t impact how they express themselves sexually. Otherwise wouldn’t all or at least the majority of women be into swinging?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 01:08 PM
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If you’re talking verbally sure. However I’ve found that fat women are less likely to enforce that preference/standard than thin women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 01:03 PM
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It’s your hypothetical so don’t you set the specific parameters and what kind of bread is it? What’s the economic situation of the other person offering the bread? Are we both in the US?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 08:32 AM
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More so think twice before you have children. Something everyone should do honestly just for different reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 08:30 AM
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Both. If you’re here already you have to do the best you can. It’s a different scenario than the lives of hypothetical people who weren’t born or even conceived yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/22 07:30 PM
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No but there’s plenty that don’t want them and then when the kids here they show it every way possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/22 07:27 PM
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Latinas, Asian women, Fat women, women into role reversal as well like you said, also gender dysphoric women who don’t want to fully transition but that somewhat falls under role reversal.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/22 07:25 PM
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It’s much cheaper to stay married than divorce in this economy. However many people are willing to trade economic sacrifice for peace of mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/22 07:21 PM
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In your situation it's interesting how it's not a problem at all to start out with but then becomes a problem. This is the key piece of evidence that illustrates it's not an issue about your illness at all, they're just looking for a negative to list. This isn’t completely accurate. What it is more often than not. Is that they think they’re selfless virtuous people who can handle that. So they try to then they later figure out they weren’t able to handle it after all and they leave. It’s like th…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/22 07:19 PM
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Having a chronic illness is a lot to deal with and when in a relationship your partner will end up sharing in some of that. Some people are willing to stick it out if they were with you pre-diagnosis out of loyalty. If they weren’t they’ll quickly realize how selfless they truly are/aren’t once they give it a go. Most people aren’t selfless/mentally resilient enough to date someone with a chronic illness so that’s why you get responses like that from women. I hope you do find someone one day tho…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/22 07:17 PM
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That depends. Are you or are you not ok with a woman being with you for just your money and are you willing to spend it on her? If not you should either lose some weight and become more physically attractive to attract those kinds of women or lower your standards on looks and find a less attractive woman who also has a decent income. If you are ok with that keep your standards as high as you can afford and make sure you do your budgeting to account for and afford sugar dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/22 07:10 PM
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What kind of bread is it? $20 in what currency? What country and city is the trade being made in? What is the economic situation of both parties during the time of the trade?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/22 07:08 PM
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This isn't a negotiation. Would you trade x for y, yes or no? It’s a discussion. After yes or no you need why or why not as I said previously. The question was would you trade a [common complaint among women] for [not dealing with all the good that comes with the bad]. It's simple asf. Demonstrate your point. Would you give up your leg for sex? It's complicated to you because you want the good without the bad. Doesn't work that way. Nope, it’s complicated because you don’t know the true specific…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/22 07:07 PM
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Ah no. Your initial point was that men simp only for the most beautiful women. My response to this was that men also simp for far less attractive women, such as average women but just to a lesser degree. These women still get far more positive responses/treatment from the opposite sex compared to their male counterpart. Which you just corroborated. They’re not simping for average and unattractive women but they’ll simp for beautiful ones. You can consider the twitch girls average if you want but…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/22 07:05 PM
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That requires nuance and perspective. If I asked you would you be willing to give up your leg for sex. You say no. Does that mean you don’t value sex at all? You do but not at the expense of your leg? You do but not if it costs you anything(physically or otherwise). You’re ok with costs but only if it was something other than giving up your leg?(maybe a leg is too far but a finger would be ok) etc. Nuance and perspective helps to get a better understanding of where the responder is coming from. …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/22 05:03 PM
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A simple yes or no isn’t sufficient as you need to know why or why not. Whether or not they think the trade off is logical etc. Nuance is necessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/22 05:02 PM
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If that was the case there wouldn’t be beautiful women who could marry millionaires and billionaires and be set for life without having to debase themselves on stream. These women are able to do this even with having traits men would disqualify less attractive women for. Anyway you’re proving my point. The fact that you acknowledge men simp more or less depending on the woman’s looks shows there’s a very clear hierarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/22 05:01 PM
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I personally would not. I’d take being invisible over that as even the “positive” attention and special treatment has its downsides.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/22 07:30 PM
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Yet the women who get showered with the most riches, attention and special treatment from men tend to also be the most beautiful. Men aren’t putting up with unfair club covers to see women they’re not attracted to, they don’t shell out thousands of dollars they can’t afford for women they’re not attracted to simply because she’s sweet. Looks matter to men. Just watch what they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/22 07:29 PM
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The thing is though those beautiful demons are usually likable and charming as well. It’s just not consistent. It’s how they’re able to manipulate the man into staying every time he wants to walk away and the cycle continues until she takes things two steps too far and he either can’t take it anymore or he’s too destroyed for her to keep victimizing. Also I’m glad you brought up the pills and womens behavior because red pill men take women acting like that as a sign of who they truly value and d…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/22 07:28 PM
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Interesting as another man just said here that men are all about looks. Most men do not appreciate unattractive women and you can see it in their actions. They may begrudgingly deal with unattractive women if that’s all they can attract but just observe how they treat their real type vs women who fall outside of that looks wise.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/22 07:17 PM
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It wasn’t which is why you had to willfully ignore all other context to suit your bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/22 07:15 PM
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She answered several times. Some people here just don’t like the answer if it’s anything but a “no”.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/22 07:14 PM
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Can they appreciate women that are under 4/10?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/22 07:11 PM
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Sounds like radical acceptance isn’t your thing. You can always get plastic surgery, workout and work with an image consultant to improve your odds.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/22 07:08 PM
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I agree but I’d say you need beauty and likability. The beauty is imperative though and it can buy you time if you don’t have likability. Without beauty likability gets you nothing. Without likability beauty will get you what you want from a man but only short term if he can’t stand being around you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/22 07:01 PM
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Women who want normal guys would but if they want better than that they’ll do whatever it takes to get that competitive edge and be beautiful to attract excellent treatment from attractive or otherwise high status men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/22 05:24 PM
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This is only true if they’re only trying to date below average men and get meh treatment from them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/22 04:45 PM
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It’s because attractive men require more than just not being fat. There’s a reason not all slim/healthy weight women get treated like Jasmine Tookes or Miranda Kerr. The more desirable the men or the lifestyle you pursue the more desirable the woman herself needs to be. So if you believe in 80/20 it shouldn’t be surprising why women are more insecure about their looks. Plus that’s the single metric men judge women by. There’s no compensating/trading off for men if their looks aren’t up to the gu…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/22 04:42 PM
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Thanks for sharing. This is very interesting it’s a lot different than the picture painted here about the dating habits of attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/22 04:21 PM
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It doesn’t actually. Lesbians have sex less frequently than gay men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/22 03:36 AM
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Would you say that issue is unique to you or do you think other attractive men have that problem as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/22 03:34 AM
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I doubt it. Even before the internet was a thing dead bedrooms exist because one spouse loved the other but didn’t lust after them. The internet has just brought to light how common it is but it’s always been a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 10:29 AM
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Yeah it varies for everyone. I’ve met some people with mental health issues/conditions who’ll skip a shower once or twice a week and others that won’t shower at all without outside prompting. So it just depends on how they’re specifically affected.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 10:27 AM
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Plenty have been told they just don’t do anything about it. Either because of some underlying mental health issue/condition like depression, Asperger’s, autism adhd etc or they’re just lazy and have a higher disgust threshold than the average person.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 01:57 AM
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Well it’s a catch 22 then. Wanting women to be realistic about their standards while also wanting them to list after their partners is going to cause some contention as many women can only attract men they don’t feel lust for, for LTRs.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 01:50 AM
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They weren’t. That’s why they were drawn to TRP. They wanted to optimize their sexual success in a way that they didn’t/couldn’t before TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 01:37 AM
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Once again, already have. I stand by my view.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 01:36 AM
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Ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 07:20 PM
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FDS is also about navigating the smp. TRP and FDS are two sides of the same coin. Disgruntled individuals who are unsuccessful in sex and romance coming online to figure out how to get ahead in the SMP using a combination of looksmaxxing and dark triad.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 07:19 PM
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As does FDS.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 06:48 PM
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The premise and end games are the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 06:48 PM
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I don’t think most will end up single for life. However I’d agree that a decent amount will 30-40% or so.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 05:47 PM
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No most men just do it because they wouldn’t attract the caliber of women they want(if any at all) if they didn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 05:40 PM
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Romantic companionship isn’t the only kind of companionship. If someone doesn’t enjoy your romantic and sexual company that’s ok. You can have your companionship needs met through friends or family. Also being single for life isn’t so bad either. People put too much pressure on themselves to get into romantic relationships. Which ends up in them being stressed and depressed. Being single should be more normalized. It’s also a perfectly valid way to live out your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 05:37 PM
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What’s funny about it? Isn’t the point of mgtow to avoid unnecessary relationships with women? If you’re married to or cohabiting and in an ltr with one that kind of defeats the avoidant purpose of mgtow.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 05:33 PM
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RP dudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 05:31 PM
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Yeah you guys are. Reading both side bars they’re very similar as much as both hate being compared.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 05:30 PM
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And when those women complain about not being able to find good men, men tear them a new one. So why the confusion that the shoe fits the same on the other foot?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 05:22 PM
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It’s fair to ask her for half but then at the same time it’s fair for her to only choose to do that for men she’s actually attracted to. Just as it’s fair for you to only sugar women you find hot. No one wants to waste money on someone they feel mediocre about at best. So I really don’t understand why people take issue with womens “pickiness”. Sex bots are a thing now too if you need to get off.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 05:20 PM
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They don’t say it’s inferior they view it as important work that’s potentially entrapment if not done under the right circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 05:14 PM
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Which in those times would’ve lead to higher mortality rates for them, their kids and their husbands. So either way they’d die if one parent didn’t work.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 05:13 PM
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1) If you’re meeting them at club or bar environments once the drunk and horny wears off they may not want to continue seeing you. 2) If you’re just a fling there’s no expectation of loyalty and longevity from either side. They don’t expect men to be loyal to them and want to continue seeing them(even if secretly they hope for that) and they assume men see them in the same manner. So if it wasn’t communicated that the intention was for something long term and more serious they’ll assume it’s not…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 03:31 PM
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Clearly not enough as men are constantly complaining it’s hard for unattractive men to get sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 03:14 PM
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They can also be like mgtow monks that’s an option, or like the dudes who get forever girlfriends that’s also an option. It’s not a binary. They have choices, it’s just that the one they prefer is to sleep with promiscuous women and then complain.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 03:11 PM
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They should, but start with traveling first. Doesn’t make sense to complain when you haven’t put in wort to find the dating market that best suits you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 03:09 PM
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Red pill men do choose that option. They can stop anytime they’d like. Some do some don’t. They like sleeping with promiscuous women while simultaneously complaining about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 08:19 PM
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Sure, either way they’re more cool with waiting out what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 08:18 PM
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I’m talking about moving or traveling strategically. If you know you’re X type of person and your current area is better for dating if you’re Y type of person. Find cities that are better for X type of people to date and act accordingly. It will maximize your chances of finding compatible people to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 08:18 PM
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Why are you limiting yourself to a 25-50 mile radius?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 07:32 AM
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Idc the point I’m making is that there’s group overlap for those two thoughts.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 06:23 AM
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Its actually "make the most of the decline". If they want to be promiscuous, get in on the fun. Except they literally say. Enjoy the decline. So are you implying that they’re lying when they say this? Although having an actual deep bond and real love with somebody is what I definitely want. And its what I think most guys want. Maybe you want that but many men don’t want that and they will explicitly state so. Or if they do want it, it’s not women they want it from. Even if you have a rotation of…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 06:22 AM
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They claim they are. Who am I to say they’re lying. I just point out the contradictions in their actions and words.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/22 09:59 AM
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It’s because they’re lower inhibition, more spontaneous. They’ll provide fun fast, hot heavy exciting sex fast and emotional validation that will rope you in. Same with bad boys. They’re bringing fun and excitement.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/22 12:15 AM
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Because men like it. They may try to lie and hamster it by saying it’s not the fact that she’s crazy that’s attractive but they like the wild, free spirited low inhibition behavior and the excitement. Dashing in a little bit of crazy with good looks gets you a lot from men. They’ll do more for you than if you play too nice and complacent with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/22 12:14 AM
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It happened in China and yeah it turned out that the model didn’t even have a husband and kids. It was a wedding/family photo shoot she did and someone photoshopped the child models and started a heinous rumor.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/22 12:12 AM
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Except it is the exact same people. The dudes who say “enjoy the decline” sleep with promiscuous women but are simultaneously disgusted by them and would never have a relationship with one.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/22 12:06 AM
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You’d be surprised men come online all the time to say they find their hookups or girlfriend unattractive or “beneath them” yet they still fuck them anyway because it’s consistent sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/22 12:05 AM
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They have to have social clout to go with it. If they leverage their looks into a modeling career or social media fame then they can get free or discounted stuff. If not they have to pay. Once again they have to make the initial investment to get that. If they’re mid level attractive they fix themselves up and pay their way into certain spaces to attract sugar daddies. They want attractive girls as ambassadors. They give free promo to women they feel are free advertising. If that’s not you, you’…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 11:50 PM
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Ok now how does it fix it for these mass shooters who aren’t poor yet we’re still radicalized?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 11:35 PM
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What am I meant to be miserable about? It’s just reality. People seek out and put energy into things they value. You can just watch women and tell what they value and how much they value it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 11:34 PM
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They’re harder to bag if you’re not also an 8-9. If you are it’s not that hard to get one.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 11:33 PM
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Most of the time it’s that he doesn’t want to go w/that woman because he doesn’t value her like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 11:32 PM
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If they could’ve, the ones who tried would’ve. Yet they didn’t despite vetting and filtering. There’s just people that don’t get much interest from the opposite sex if at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 10:24 PM
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If they’re not physically attractive already they do. Nice healthy looking bouncy hair requires good quality products which costs money, same with having great skin, flattering clothes etc. It’s not free. It costs less for young women but they still have areas where they spend. That stuff is not free or discounted for attractive women unless they’re models/influencers. If you don’t have social clout to go with your beauty you need to pay for your products. They also have to do the initial invest…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 10:22 PM
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None that you’ve chosen to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 09:43 PM
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Telling a man something isn’t going to make him do what he doesn’t want to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 09:36 PM
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If the vast majority of relationships were that great for women you’d see a lot more desperation from them to be in them, and a lot more fighting to stay in and maintain them once they’re in. Yet you see them ending a lot of marital and non-marital relationships and being content being single if they can’t get what they want relationship wise. Relationships only benefit women more than men, if they’re dating a certain kind of guy. Otherwise it’s neutral at best or negative at worst.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 09:24 PM
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They’re going to dismiss it as more sissy liberal shit as they do with other stuff they don’t want to do. What appeals to the right is guns, old school masculinity and grit. Emotionally supporting boys doesn’t fit into their vision of a great America.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 09:19 PM
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Maybe, I’m just saying that’s the initial appeal. Older men are perceived to have more disposable income, to be more stable, mature and less likely to play games.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 09:13 PM
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To each other, maybe... To men as well. Whether or not she’s providing this is a good gauge of whether or not she actually likes you. Emotional support?! Yes. Emotional support. You can get that from friends, family or a therapist. Not for men; never for men. Men also have friends, family and can go to therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 09:06 PM
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Those are the men they’d attract. Forever Alone women tried what you said and they got men trolling them. So it’s not about what they do or don’t remember it’s about what they’ll get.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 09:02 PM
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Not entirely true, for average men that’s the case they have to drop 2-4 points lower to get consistent casual sex. For men that are actually 8 or 9s they can exclusively sleep with women that are 8 or 9s as wel and still have consistent fwb’s. The only reason they’d need to drop lower is if they’re trying to pad their numbers and reach the triple digits or have a different hookup every day or two.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 09:01 PM
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Attractive men don’t have lower prerequisites they can afford to limit their pool to attractive women only and still have consistent fwb’s and hookups.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 07:08 PM
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I’m talking about incest. Not teens sleeping with each other. Are people in Western Europe cool with mothers and fathers sleeping with their teenage children too?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 07:06 PM
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Oh Ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 06:58 PM
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You said you had experience with women. I asked what kind. You told me and it gave context to your views. That’s the point. No more no less. What’s confusing?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 06:54 PM
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Wdym?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 06:52 PM
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So back to the issue then. The men they’d attract from coming on Reddit looking for them are trolls.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 06:52 PM
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You don’t need to fix all three to justify taking peoples kids away. Interfere at the local level. If there’s documented evidence of 3 violent incidents(minor or major) within a year and the parents fail to provide evidence of attempted intervention take their kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 06:51 PM
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Emotional support? Psychological comfort? Physical protection? Manual labor? So things that women provide as well or that they can outsource like I said. I stand by my previous point. Some of them, maybe, but if anything, sex is the easiest for both genders to acquire. Everything you listed can be acquired outside of a romantic relationship. I’d argue emotional support is the easiest one to acquire for both sexes though. You can get it from friends, family members or a therapist.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 06:50 PM
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The women who done what you advise know. They don’t have men who want relationships flooding their dms it’s men who want to troll them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 06:42 PM
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It’s a realistic one. What benefits are men providing women that women also aren’t providing men? And are those benefits things that can not be acquired outside of a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 06:41 PM
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I already know how. Whether or not society will implement it is another issue. Many in liberal spaces view taking peoples children away as “punishing parents for being poor”. As for the revamp foster care part, pay social workers more. Do more routine checks of foster care facilities, mental health evaluations for staff every 6 months, redirect spending from the military and social security to supplement this. Cut stipends for foster care parents so that you’ll weed out the ones who are money mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 06:37 PM
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Checks out.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 06:33 PM
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So take their kids away and revamp foster care.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 06:32 PM
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For unattractive and average men maybe. Not attractive men who can relax and have fun when dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 06:32 PM
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It’s my idea of when women gain more as you previously stated. Outside of those things both parties benefit or it can be outsourced.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 06:31 PM
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Your study didn’t show that. Do you have another one you’re referring to?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 06:30 PM
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So only the parts of the study you agree with are correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 06:30 PM
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What kind of women?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 06:29 PM
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It actually is men. Look at romance in male targeted media vs romance in female targeted media. The frumpy, awkward poor everyman gets the girl by doing those things in male targeted media while in female targeted media he has to show up looking like Ryan Gosling first to even get his foot in the door with those traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 06:28 PM
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Punitive action against negligent parents and incentivizing teachers to report incidents would work though. As well as implementing free and reduced counseling help. So that way cost isn’t an excuse for seeking help for a child.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 06:24 PM
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Mhmm so what’s this: Women only gain more from a relationship than men if he’s a top 20% good income, good looks and good sexual prowess. Men in the lower 80% they either get nothing from or they lose something. Unless you’re talking purely asexual relationships the two go hand in hand. Put it this way. At a restaurant who’s more likely to patiently wait for their main entree? The customer who has their appetizers and drinks or the customer that has nothing? Women who can at least get hookups ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 06:22 PM
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It was the perception that you had money. The appeal of older men is that they’re more financially stable and ready to settle down. It’s usually not their looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 06:18 PM
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Including your own children?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 06:18 PM
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They’re not usually older. Tbh it depends on what time of the day/week you go. You’ll see couples of all ages.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 06:16 PM
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To fulfill the other things men want, women need money. Being fun, beautiful and looking youthful isn’t free or cheap for most women. It’s an investment and they need to acquire resources to achieve that. The less naturally beautiful and young they look the more they’d need to invest to look it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 06:12 PM
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I’m talking about relationships sex is a sub point to that. You’re intentionally ignoring the rest of the reply that’s focused on relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 06:03 PM
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There’s more crime but it’s not all violent crime and it’s definitely not all violent crime to mass degrees. The best approach is to tackle both. One can be a short term solution until the base issue is fully tackled. Plus as previously stated not all crime committed by poor people is violent in nature. So what’s the trigger that pushes someone from theft, vandalism, etc to mass murder? Online radicalization.Some of the mass murders listed here weren’t even poor. They had mental and behavioral i…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 06:02 PM
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We are. I directly quoted and responded to your statements.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 05:24 PM
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Most poor and lower class people feel like to some degree due to the economic situation and wages not keeping up with cost of living. They feel down and dejected. Yet not all turn to mass shootings or spree violence. That’s why I focus on the radicalization part. there’s a thousands of unhappy people but not all turn to violence because not all of them fall down the rabbit hole of violent radicalization.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 05:23 PM
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If she’s dating them. Presumably they are for both sides and they’re having fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 05:04 PM
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Yes, she likes dating those men because they can genuinely enjoy things in the moment.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 05:01 PM
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Is that actually the case, though? Women gain more from a relationship than men do. Women only gain more from a relationship than men if he’s a top 20% good income, good looks and good sexual prowess. Men in the lower 80% they either get nothing from or they lose something. "It's those evil Incels, AAAAHHHH!" No. Most of them aren’t incels. They’re just men who aren’t getting sex as consistently as they’d like and the effort they have to put in to get even just one hookup is too much for them. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 04:58 PM
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She just said she likes dating the men that do. So both sides would have fun enjoying the fun of dating itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 04:54 PM
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They could have men flooding and telling their dms sure but how many of those would turn into fruitful relationships once the men saw them offline?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 04:51 PM
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There’s already a wave of mothers doing this for their sons but as someone already mentioned they tend to be left wing and the shooters tend to come from right wing demographics. So as long as there’s that polarization not much can be done.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 04:50 PM
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Jail would help as long as free and quality mental health services and coping strategies are in place. If you’re violently lashing out it’s not safe for you to be in public.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 04:47 PM
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Things like this happen in poor countries as well but instead of mass shootings it’s mass stabbing, gang rapes, or other forms of violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 04:46 PM
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Not really. For most it’s a slow process. They don’t start off so extreme. They get introduced to the milder stuff first and then slowly sink down the rabbit hole until they start idolizing other killers or worse until they cross a threshold where they want to become killers themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 04:43 PM
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