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0	N COUNTS WEEKLY DISCUSSION THREAD Aella's survey response to that tweet was interesting: https://x.com/i/status/2033272622558085598	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/03/26 09:15 PM
10	What was your longest dry streak? You mean empathize?	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/26 01:34 AM
6	Regretting not having kids Idk, advice on what you have to do to improve your situation is going to be too personal for a stranger to help with. I'm just saying having a kid isn't a retirement plan. Though finding a partner to split bills with would help in the interim. I didn't down vote	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/08/25 04:25 PM
8	Regretting not having kids If you don't have money to stash away for retirement how are you going to afford taking care of a kid? Who's to say they are going to have the money or the desire to take care of you, anyway?	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/08/25 02:52 PM
0	Q4M: why did this "office worker" get more votes than Sydney Sweeney? 77% to 23% wasn't the term coined by a woman? It's a term to describe a phenomenon a feminist observed	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/08/25 04:42 PM
1	Why do some women say its the guy’s fault for being single? Conservative women don't want whiny men though.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/07/25 01:17 PM
2	Why do some women say its the guy’s fault for being single? Doesn't matter whose fault it is, your struggles in life are your own responsibility to overcome.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/07/25 01:15 PM
28	Why do some women say its the guy’s fault for being single? It is not within his control to determine whether a particular woman will want to date him. However, it is within his control to make himself more appealing to a wider demographic of women. If he is not satisfied with his options, he can make himself more desirable.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/07/25 01:07 PM
1	Question for Women: What are the barriers that stop women from just taking the initiative and asking guys out on a date that they clearly like or have a crush on? Men who "approach" women, will most likely have experience Women view this is a very good thing. while "good men" could be avoiding escalating with fear of ruining a good friendship or being percieved the wrong way. There is no risk of this if you are socially competent, especially if it's a friend since you can test the waters very easily. You don't need to fully commit to get an answer. The real reason a man doesn't approach is cowardice or social incompetence which are both very unattractive …	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/25 11:59 AM
5	Men are not inherently bigger losers today than they were in previous generations, there’s just finite amount of opportunity and by definition more men will lose. How are you measuring "success" when you say China is the most successful? China has a per capita GDP of $13,000 USD, the only reason they are bigger in GDP is that they have a billion (literally) more people than the US. They have 23% of the world's work force and contribute 20% of the world's GDP. US has about 5% of the worlds workforce and contributes about 15% of the world's GDP. The US is unique in that it is such a huge country with a crazy high GDP per capita ($89,000 USD per capita). Onl…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/25 02:34 AM
1	Female bodies are respected more than male bodies Sorry I thought you were the original person I replied to	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/05/25 10:33 PM
3	Female bodies are respected more than male bodies Idk why you had any opinion on it if you just had to look up the word lol. I'm just pointing out that it being done voluntarily or out of medical necessity in different contexts has no baring on whether or not it's mutilation. I'm sure there are situations where a clitoris has been removed out of medical necessity.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/05/25 09:47 PM
3	Female bodies are respected more than male bodies A medical procedure without consent or medical necessity can be mutilation can it not? Some people will remove their whole penis voluntarily or due to medical necessity, doing so without consent would be mutilation no?	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/05/25 09:33 PM
–	"I see far more attractive women than men" shows that beauty standards for women are not high I mean women can just go out with and without makeup and see the difference in attention they get. Idk how you're gonna disagree with them on this, "watch what they do, not what they say" and all.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/05/25 10:07 AM
4	Women's standards scale with their QoL, while men's standards adapt to our dating experience You want someone who will stay with you while you go through hard times and so you offer that same stability/reliability in return. You balance the transaction. Love is just one consideration in a long list.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/05/25 11:24 AM
4	Q4M: Would you date a woman who took "How to talk to men" classes? What is the difference between seduction and flirting to you? In my mind they are similar concepts, seduction is just more specifically sexy. Seduction doesn't have a negative connotation for me.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/04/25 05:58 PM
1	Orgasm I think there are absolutely things we can do as a society to change behaviours without directly legislating against it. Even just having these conversations will change behaviours, like any guy reading your comment with some self awareness will feel embarrassed if they fit your description.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/25 12:05 PM
1	Orgasm You're still not really being specific about what this means Regard something as worthy of attention. If a woman tells you she doesn't like something you're doing during sex you should definitely take that seriously.... Yeah of course	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/25 11:54 AM
1	Orgasm Well that's just part of communication. Obviously he needs to be open to feedback, empathetic and understanding. But the feedback itself needs to be given appropriately as well. If a woman finds herself constantly making her partners feel self conscious that's not necessarily indicative of a problem with men. This is a two way street as well.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/25 11:37 AM
1	Orgasm But that follows many attempts to communicate Well that wasn't the scenario I gave right, the scenario was in the case where she didn't attempt to communicate or did so inadequately. The question was about what degree women are responsible for their own orgasms, obviously if the man is forcing her to be uncommunicative/ignoring her then she isn't going to be responsible. That's the same as the "zero effort" case. it’s because a lot of men react very badly when receiving any correction in the bed…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/04/25 05:35 PM
0	Orgasm I agree with that, I mostly think complaints regarding the "orgasm gap" are more about a gap in satisfactory sex then the orgasm itself, but we use "orgasm" as more of shorter or easy way to describe and demonstrate the problem. It's not really a matter of "should we take her complaints seriously if she didn't communicate" since you're not obligated to listen to her at all and "taking her complaints seriously" doesn't do anything to solve the situation anyway. No one is obligated, it's about whe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/04/25 05:10 PM
0	Orgasm I would agree with you in a generalized sense, if a women is habitually or regularly having unsatisfactory sex then there is probably something she is doing wrong. In the moment, however, the whole point of the man being their is to make her feel good, if he's not doing that then he is failing. It's analogous to employment, the purpose of the worker is be productive if he is not then that is the workers fault and he may be fired because production is his responsibility. However, if a position is…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/04/25 04:30 PM
1	Orgasm Obviously anyone putting in zero effort to make their partner orgasm is bad, I think the more meaningful/interesting discussion is to what degree is a woman responsible for her own orgasm. Like if a woman doesn't do anything to communicate dissatisfaction and in fact fakes an orgasm, should people take her complaints seriously after the fact? Some would take the view it 100% a man's responsibility, and that she shouldn't have to do anything but ensure he orgasms as well.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/04/25 03:50 PM
2	I have come across a few women who say they are egalitarians, but I rarely see women who call themselves feminists. So do some of you still identify as feminists? I agree it's less common for woman to identify as a "non-feminist egalitarian" than a man, but I don't think that really matters. It's probably just a personal choice for the woman related to their experiences with the feminist movement or the things they've read. Similarly, there are probably more men who play/watch baseball than there are women who play/watch baseball. That obviously doesn't mean that the women who do play/watch are doing so because of the men. They probably just have personal…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/25 01:03 PM
5	I have come across a few women who say they are egalitarians, but I rarely see women who call themselves feminists. So do some of you still identify as feminists? Why do you think it's to "coddle" red pill men? Is this a rationale that one of those women who identify as "egalitarian" has actually said? my guess would be it has nothing to do with men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/25 12:43 PM
1	Dear women of PPD, for those of us who are older (30+) virgins, what do you actually want us to do? "Which....is why so many of the men here are in their own self-made cages. They straight up refuse to socialize in any capacity because "it's too hard." that part	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/04/25 07:02 PM
2	Dear women of PPD, for those of us who are older (30+) virgins, what do you actually want us to do? Don't really need to lie, just try not to bring it up. Real advice here is to abandon the "wait until he finds someone he loves" mindset, obviously it's not working for him.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/04/25 05:16 PM
1	Dear women of PPD, for those of us who are older (30+) virgins, what do you actually want us to do? that sounds like mental illness	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/04/25 05:05 PM
3	Dear women of PPD, for those of us who are older (30+) virgins, what do you actually want us to do? I don't see how those things would be contradictory, there are some things an adult should be able achieve without being "owed" or given that achievement.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/04/25 05:02 PM
0	If you're 'lonely' purely due to a lack of sex, you're not 'lonely', you're just horny. Ultimately the point you are getting across is that their "problem" is not really a problem (and further that they are pretending it is a problem to manipulate people). So, just argue that it's not a problem. It doesn't really matter if their "problem" falls into the category of "loneliness" or not. What matters is whether or not it is a problem worth sympathizing with. Maybe it's a personal thing but I just hate semantic arguments.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/25 11:43 PM
0	If you're 'lonely' purely due to a lack of sex, you're not 'lonely', you're just horny. Language is more than the word you use. "My partner is away this weekend so I'm at home feeling lonely" Conveys a completely different sense of the word "lonely" than "I felt very lonely while working in Antarctica because I rarely got to interact with others" Or "Everyone is getting married and Im not, it makes me feel so lonely" People use the same words to convey different feelings with different degrees of emotion all the time. Again like who cares? Is anyone being misled when they say they …	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/25 09:18 PM
1	If you're 'lonely' purely due to a lack of sex, you're not 'lonely', you're just horny. Idk why people get so hung up on semantics here, it's such a casual word. people will say they are lonely when their partner is away for a weekend lmao. Some people think loneliness can mean a lack of intimate relationships, some people think it can mean that you are "alone in a crowd", some people think it only means not having any relationships, some think it means not having any social interaction at all. It really doesn't matter, it's just a word, you'll know what they mean by the context.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/25 08:57 PM
–	The real reason behind the male loneliness epidemic is that there are more happily single women than men What's your solution to male loneliness "social dislocation" you talk about in your other comment? Forcing people to hang out with people they don't like? Feel like the solutions would be similar, third places, encouragement for socializing, giving people tools to become more desireable etc. I don't think anyone wants to force anything on anyone.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/03/25 12:19 PM
3	Why do red pillers continue to push the sperm is better than uteruses argument? I think I've heard them talk about it, they just blame birth control (estrogen in water supply) and obesity.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/03/25 04:03 PM
4	In my country there's a saying that goes "If you want to catch more fish, you should ask the good fisherman for tips, not the fish". It's talking about picking up women, obviously. Because you seem confused as to what an analogy is lol. The obvious comparison is that men are practicing the skill (fishing vs attracting women) whereas women the ones being practiced upon. A fish only sees parts of the process, like the lure, but they don't see everything else that goes into it (location, fishing gear, etc). it compares men to fishers and women to fishes aka men are hunters and women are being hunted For an analogy to work you need the two situations to be different. That's th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/25 09:10 PM
5	In my country there's a saying that goes "If you want to catch more fish, you should ask the good fisherman for tips, not the fish". It's talking about picking up women, obviously. It's an analogy, if you want the same message in a different context there's a Steve Jobs quote: "it's not the customer's job to know what they want". Same idea is true for attracting men as well, a good example is men saying they don't care if a women wears makeup or prefer that they don't but then they can't even tell of a women has makeup on.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/25 06:42 PM
2	CMV: Women are the more empathetic sex I think women volunteer more too though, also just broadly more involved in their community, church etc.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/03/25 12:57 PM
5	If people actually followed the “just be yourself” advice, many of our dating issues would go away When people say "be yourself" they don't mean "don't improve". They just mean you shouldn't pretend to be someone you aren't, just be yourself. Don't pretend to like things she likes, or pretend you don't like things that she might judge you for. If you want to get a new degree or hit the gym go for it, just dont say you have a degree or love working out when you don't. Idk why people would take it to me "don't change", that doesn't even make sense, you always change.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/25 01:38 AM
10	What would your response to be to your date/partner opening up to you ? That works both ways, you are free to leave your girlfriend if you deem the way she is expressing her emotions is inappropriate.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/02/25 10:06 PM
3	CMV: Males really need to do more for their SOs in hetero relationships I can agree with you as long as you kept that same energy at the start of the relationship. If holidays aren't important to you, then communicate that early and set the expectation. If you put in a bunch of effort early in the relationship when you're courting and then decide you don't care anymore, you can't be surprised when she's upset at the bait-and-switch or if she interprets it as you being lazy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/02/25 05:30 PM
1	Most crimes are committed by men, by no gangster ever had difficulty finding women to share the spoils with Most men who are mean, dishonest or abusive don't signal it immediately. Social awkwardness is just super obvious. If you sit down with a woman on the first date and call her fat, useless, etc (things that some abusive people do to their spouses regularly) you will have a similar or worse success rate to socially awkward dudes. It's just usually something that appears later.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/01/25 04:56 PM
4	The "If she did it with an ex, she should do it with me" rule applies to pegging You made a comment that you cannot offset pain or discomfort by taking on pain or discomfort for your partner later on. You don't get to offset causing pain or discomfort by doing something nice later. I pointed out that it is normal to take on some pain or discomfort for your partner and for them to do so later for you in return. Believe it or not it's pretty common in relationships to endure some discomfort to make your partner happy. Within reason, of course. If it's too much discomfort for h…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/25 05:13 PM
3	The "If she did it with an ex, she should do it with me" rule applies to pegging Not specifically no, idk how common anal sex even is. it could apply to anal sex for some people though. This was in response to you being baffled someone would make themselves uncomfortable for the sake of their partner.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/25 10:08 AM
4	The "If she did it with an ex, she should do it with me" rule applies to pegging That's not what I argued for, just read what I wrote. Here I'll bold it for you: Believe it or not it's pretty common in relationships to endure some discomfort to make your partner happy. Within reason, of course. If it's too much discomfort for her she could just refuse to do it. "it's pretty common in relationships to endure some discomfort to make your partner happy" =\= "you should do any action your partner wants to make them happy" You can have boundaries. If a man is willing to be pegged…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/25 04:23 AM
4	The "If she did it with an ex, she should do it with me" rule applies to pegging That doesn't follow.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/25 10:23 PM
4	The "If she did it with an ex, she should do it with me" rule applies to pegging Believe it or not it's pretty common in relationships to endure some discomfort to make your partner happy. Within reason, of course. If it's too much discomfort for her she could just refuse to do it. But I can see there are endless rationalizations for why a woman should do something I never said anyone "should" do anything. Infact the "rule" (which I disagree with by the way) itself is about what a man should do, not what a woman should do. E.g. "a man should leave a woman if she is unwilling…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/25 08:56 PM
6	The "If she did it with an ex, she should do it with me" rule applies to pegging Not to them, that's why they don't want to do it. Not necessarily, for example I don't personally want to do anal because it grosses me out. But even if that is the case that it doesn't feel good to them, you can do something that makes her feel good after. maybe something that you don't necessarily want to do but you know she likes. As long as you work within each other's boundaries and communicate it's fine. So why do you when they don't want to? Because it feels good and they are willing to d…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/25 07:55 PM
5	The "If she did it with an ex, she should do it with me" rule applies to pegging Because it feels good and they are offering it, presumably. Do you never do things you don't want to do for your partner?	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/25 06:39 PM
4	The "If she did it with an ex, she should do it with me" rule applies to pegging If they don't want to do anal sex but aren't super opposed to it, they might do it if their partner wants to. That would mean they are willing to do it but they don't want to. Like how I am willing to do overtime if necessary for a project but I don't want to.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/25 02:44 PM
2	The "If she did it with an ex, she should do it with me" rule applies to pegging There are many reasons why someone might do something they don't like with one partner but not another. Were they scared of their partner at the time? Did they lack the confidence to say no? I don't want to replicate a shitty situation she once was part of just because I'm worried she isn't as attracted to me. Or maybe her tastes just changed or she has a lower libido now that she's older. There are many reasons, but as long as she keeps me sexually satisfied then idrc what she did with others. …	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/25 01:07 PM
2	The "If she did it with an ex, she should do it with me" rule applies to pegging So they do care if she does it, it's not just an "it would be nice if she offered, I don't much care for it" situation. If he wants her to do it then yes it matters if she does it. However if he doesn't want to do it, they don't want her to pin him down and force him to do it. It's just about willingness and desire to do it if they have done it before with someone else, it's not about ensuring it actually happens. I agree it's a dumb rule but we don't need to strawman it with hypotheticals where…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/25 12:57 PM
9	The "If she did it with an ex, she should do it with me" rule applies to pegging It's about willingness not necessarily want.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/25 12:44 PM
12	The "If she did it with an ex, she should do it with me" rule applies to pegging No she has to be willing to do it, of course. But if the man refuses the offer then the rule isn't broken. It sounds like the OP is saying men need to get pegged if they have this rule and date a woman who previously pegged someone. My understanding is that the rationale for the rule is the idea that a woman is more attracted to her ex or loves him more or something if she is willing to do more sex acts with him. Its the willingness or desire to do those things that they care about, I don't thin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/25 03:13 AM
10	The "If she did it with an ex, she should do it with me" rule applies to pegging Is that the rule? I didn't think they cared if she actually does it, it just needs to be something offered to him.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/25 03:01 AM
8	If every average man dropped out of the dating market it would not affect women one bit. Their dating problems are entirely based on the behaviour of top tier men whenever you read the phrase "average men" on this sub you just need to swap it with "ugly boring men" and it makes whatever sentence you are reading make sense. They need to believe the average man can't get a girlfriend if he tried because they can't risk having to take some responsibility for their own failures.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/25 01:43 PM
-4	For Men, Single Life Is the Solution—Not Something to Fear I don't think so, I don't know of any guy who is craving a women's affection who then develops a deeper relationship with a male friend and suddenly stops craving a women's affection. I doubt this has ever happened. Willing to bet this idea would be funny to most men, like it could be the premise of decent skit.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/25 06:31 PM
2	Why are Men's Troubles with Dating Invalidated by Women? It would depend on the guy, obviously some men are more socially inept than others. If the point of your line of questioning is just to say "sometimes miscommunications happen", sure I agree. Sometimes that will be the man's fault, sometimes that will be the woman's fault. Other times though, there is no miscommunication and people are just being manipulative as well. That could be the man being manipulative by trying to angle a friendship into a relationship, but sometimes it's the woman. I thi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 05:51 AM
-3	Why are Men's Troubles with Dating Invalidated by Women? You'd be led to think you have some chance with her, of course.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 04:35 AM
0	Why are Men's Troubles with Dating Invalidated by Women? In reality both situations exist, you'd have to know some of the specifics to know if a guy is just bitter or was genuinely misled and taken advanage of. Idk what's more common, but in this thread I think he's just talking about the latter situation.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 04:31 AM
-5	Why are Men's Troubles with Dating Invalidated by Women? Well that's the thing, if they were capable of leaving they never would have been targetted in the first place. That's abuser 101, they will seek out vulnerable people who won't stand up for themselves.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 02:55 AM
4	Why are Men's Troubles with Dating Invalidated by Women? Abusive people come in all genders, idk what your point is with this comment is. People should stop using their friends? Of course lol.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 02:45 AM
6	How would you help an average man get a girlfriend? There are a lot of creative hobbies that arent really social, like playing music or drawing, introverts will gravitate to these. Many more general hobbies that are super heavily male dominated like combat sports or nerdy hobby games, men gravitate to these. Very common for introverted men to have hobbies that aren't conducive to meeting a partner if they just follow their interests.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/01/25 03:32 PM
1	Sex in a relationship is important, and the views of both people in a couple on sex are extremely important >Given that most vertabrae animals have sex, we are a social sex species, and we are a pleasure sex species, and marriage is a social construct, no, casual sex is the default The kind of casual sex that is the "default" is not that kind of casual sex we are talking about, no. There are a lot of social constructs and norms that go into making casual sex a safe and enjoyable experience for those involved. Some would argue marriage and sexual exclusivity are the same, they make romance better. Luck…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/24 05:38 PM
1	Sex in a relationship is important, and the views of both people in a couple on sex are extremely important in the context of that culture and the mentality she was groomed to have, yes. This framing is strange since all values you have are based on some intersection of biology and environment. You use the word "groom" like it's some malicious thing, but people who have causal sex are just as much "groomed" to believe sex is not as meaningful as people who believe sex is very meaningful. Such as it probably wouldn't be seen as a problem if she went with a family member or female friend. Actually you a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/24 04:59 PM
2	Unconditional love doesn't exists Yeah I mean maybe I am being reductive. I was going to say if you spend enough time away from them then you will fall out of love with them, regardless. But I suppose that's like saying "love requires you remember the person therefore it's conditional on not having amnesia" or something, which is a truism that misses the point.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/24 04:13 PM
1	Sex in a relationship is important, and the views of both people in a couple on sex are extremely important My point is that I didn't like being forced to enjoy certain tradition aspects. Nobody trying to force you to have sex like they forced you have Christmas traditions. I don't understand the comparison. The specialness of a certain sex event can only be decided by the individual(s) and the context of the specific sex event. This just isn't true, like definitionally it needs to be unusual. Not everything can be special just because I have decided it to be. There are some cultures in which a woman …	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/24 04:01 PM
1	Sex in a relationship is important, and the views of both people in a couple on sex are extremely important That just sounds like you didn't enjoy your families Christmas traditions. It was dropping away from the "we have to watch XYZ movies and enjoy ABC thing together and do 123" that made Christmas actually special. You kept the traditions you enjoyed though, no? Did Christmas only become enjoyable when there was nothing to discern it from March 16th or September 24th or any other random day? If that's the case, it sounds like they just like you just don't like Christmas. Not to mention that Decemb…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/24 03:02 PM
1	Unconditional love doesn't exists That would mean that the relationship is conditional but the love isn't necessarily. For clarity I think love in and of itself is conditional, but your math there only shows that relationships are conditional	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/24 02:03 PM
1	Sex in a relationship is important, and the views of both people in a couple on sex are extremely important If it's not reserved, it's inherently less meaningful. If we celebrated Christmas every week, December 25th just becomes another day.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/24 01:54 PM
1	Men are having bad sex, and it is not talked about. The data didn't come from IFS, they just published an article about it. Did you even read the article? In addition to the GSS survey, long term surveys like this which track life satisfaction over time eliminate reverse causality. You have no data which shows that marriage makes men less happy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/12/24 02:04 PM
1	"Husband" is a compliment. "Material" is objectification The reason that sentence is bad is the "back-burner" part, not the "good catch"/"husband material" part because that's the part that implies he isn't attractive as a short term partner. Being husband material / a good catch isn't mutually exclusive with being sexually appealing. A woman might call a man she met through a hookup husband material. There are a lot of times when they actually do marry men which they meet through hookups.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/12/24 04:17 PM
1	Doing things for women makes them less attracted to you. Doing too much in a short amount of time is bad for a lot of reasons. However doing too little for a long enough time will also kill your relationship, and I think that is actually more commonly the situation	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/12/24 03:55 PM
4	"Husband" is a compliment. "Material" is objectification I dont think I've ever heard it used this way, can you give a scenario in which it is used this way? "He's a loser, he's only husband material" sounds as ridiculous to me as "he's so boring, I would only ever marry him for 40 years, nothing more" Maybe if you provide some context for how it's used disparagingly I could understand better	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/12/24 03:32 PM
3	"Husband" is a compliment. "Material" is objectification I can't tell if you are disagreeing. When someone says a man is "husband material" they don't mean they have the bare minimum legal requirements for marriage within the respective state. They mean that the person would make a good husband.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/12/24 02:59 PM
0	"Husband" is a compliment. "Material" is objectification It doesn't need to be explicitly stated, that's not how language works. The phrase means he would make a good husband, not a mediocre or bad one.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/12/24 02:30 PM
5	"Husband" is a compliment. "Material" is objectification Well the implication would be that a person who is "husband material" would be a good husband. Being a good husband requires a great deal of effort and skill they can be pretty rare depending on what standard of "good" you use.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/12/24 01:50 PM
6	"Husband" is a compliment. "Material" is objectification I've really never heard it used outside of online, it's usually just "if he does x he's husband material" tiktoks or something. I never interpreted it to mean you shouldn't date these men until you are older or something. I've only heard "wife material" used in similar contexts offline too though. Like I remember a friend describing something nice his girlfriend did on his birthday and another friend saying she's "wife material". I've always just taken it to mean, this is a person you should mar…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/12/24 01:33 PM
7	"Husband" is a compliment. "Material" is objectification I think that would be context dependent, if you said it after she cooks a good meal that would come off poorly. It would have nothing to do with the word "material" though, rather the association between cooking and her performance as wife. Any implication that a wife's job is to cook is going to come off poorly. If she makes a funny joke and you say it, then she might just take it as a compliment of her humor, that she is so funny you want to marry her lol.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/12/24 01:19 PM
20	"Husband" is a compliment. "Material" is objectification If you told a very good baseball player he is "MLB material" I don't think he would be offended. It's a fairly common turn of phrase, who is objectified by this?	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/12/24 12:55 PM
2	Men treat men worse than women do It was a default sub until 2017 so everyone was subscribed by default when you made an account before then. Alot of the subscribers would never have participated, many are just throwaway or alt accounts.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/12/24 09:19 PM
2	Without paper abortions there is no equality. Especially under capitalism Because if biology, a woman can have a child without the father knowing and she is free to use safe haven laws without the father even knowing The rights are the same, regardless. If we wanted to set up a scenario where the mother doesn't know about her child (some form of amnesia?) then a man could do the same. It is of course more likely for a man to not know about children that are his, but as long as the rights are the same I don't really care. I'm more interested in equality of opportunity,…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/12/24 08:54 PM
2	Without paper abortions there is no equality. Especially under capitalism His role is not completed as he'll still be on the hook if she has the kid. It is complete, paying for a kid is irrelevant to reproduction. If the kid is born and he concieved it, he reproduced, no further action required. Why? The woman isn't. She still has choices, so why can't he? Physics? How is he going to unimpregnate her? Build a time machine and stop himself from creating the fetus? He performed his role in reproduction, if she completes hers then he is a father, and the resultant child …	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/12/24 08:00 PM
2	Without paper abortions there is no equality. Especially under capitalism Post conception he's already completed his role in reproduction, he's made his decisions. Thats like asking how a guy can avoid responsibility for a terrorism plot when he planted the bombs and they are going off in 5 minutes. You are past the point of no return, his role was completed and he bears responsibility for his actions. The woman is still actively reproducing though and can opt to not complete her role, if she wants. The bombs go off in 5 minutes, she can choose not to detonate them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/12/24 06:51 PM
–	Without paper abortions there is no equality. Especially under capitalism No they can't, a woman can abort or she can use safe haven laws after the child is born. Safe haven laws aren't gender specific my dude, you can drop off your baby at a safe haven as a man too. No, because women can abort if they simply don't want to be parents, They can't reproduce and not be parents though, not anymore than men can anyway (safe haven laws, adoption etc all apply for men as well). If you don't want to be a parent, don't reproduce. That's what women who get abortions do, they do…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/12/24 06:33 PM
–	Without paper abortions there is no equality. Especially under capitalism they can force a man to carry out parental responsibilities They can force women to carry out parental responsibilities, if she has carried out her role in reproduction then the father can force her to pay child support on the child even if she doesn't want it. There is no gendered language in the child support laws. So what you're saying is that when there is a method in which both can have a choice We have a system where both parties have a choice, they chose whether or not they want to comple…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/12/24 05:38 PM
–	Without paper abortions there is no equality. Especially under capitalism That's your argument, and you're telling men they can't do the same They can do the same, though. No one can force a man to carry out his reproductive role (egg fertilization) to completion. Not legally, anyway.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/12/24 05:00 PM
3	Let's talk about age gap relationships, specifically when the woman is the younger party. I don't think so, women's standards drop if they feel pressured to find a husband but not across the board. I think they are more tolerant of boring men for example, but are still wise enough to avoid abusive men better than when they were younger. In general I think they are dating with more deliberation rather than simply working off feelings, which makes them less vulnerable to emotional manipulation and more open to dorks who don't make them feel much but are "safer".	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/12/24 04:43 PM
3	Without paper abortions there is no equality. Especially under capitalism Any action that makes it so you don't complete your role in reproduction, which is fertilizing the egg.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/12/24 03:43 PM
–	Without paper abortions there is no equality. Especially under capitalism They both have exactly one "opt out" (if you want to call it that), and that is to not complete their role in the reproductive process. Same way if I plant a bomb in time square and someone else detonates it I can't "opt out" of charges against me because I changed mind a few minutes before detonation.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/12/24 03:30 PM
–	Without paper abortions there is no equality. Especially under capitalism Except the man threw the water and now the women can run away and not have to pay anything If the woman runs away the TV isn't damaged and no one has to pay anthing, the plot to destroy the tv didn't go through. If both a man and woman had a necessary role in the destruction of the TV AND both the man and women carry out their role to completion they are both responsible, do you agree? This is the case even if the man has a change of heart ATER completing his role when it's already too late for …	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/12/24 03:20 PM
–	Without paper abortions there is no equality. Especially under capitalism Nothing I said was in any way complicated. I can walk you through it if you really need me to. Let's try an analology If I fill up a water balloon and throw it at a TV I am responsible for paying for the damages to the TV. If I fill up a water balloon and decide not to throw it at the TV, the TV is not damaged and I am not responsible for repairing the unbroken TV. You recognize the difference between these two statements?	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/12/24 03:06 PM
–	Without paper abortions there is no equality. Especially under capitalism No because she hasn't completed her role in reproduction yet. If I am actively reproducing and decide to stop, that's not me shirking responsibility. However if I try to avoid the consequences of an act that I carried out to completion, then yes I am shirking responsibility. It just depends if you have completed your role in reproduction, obviously women have different roles but we all can stop before we reach completion. Debate about abortion should be on when "completion" is, e.g. is a fetus a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/12/24 02:56 PM
1	Why are so many women in their 30s and 40s single, childless, and dissatisfied with their dating prospects? Literally none of the issues you you have are relevant to this study. They do consider "living as a couple" as a variable, table 1, it's less correlated than marriage. The equations also show results for those living as a couple, for whom the life satisfaction effects are approximately three-quarters as great as for the married. 2. Everyone is less happy during middle ages. However married are more happy than single even when controlling for previous life satisfaction. We find that the U-shape i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/12/24 01:34 PM
2	Why are so many women in their 30s and 40s single, childless, and dissatisfied with their dating prospects? People claim there is source for this. I believe this is the study: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10902-017-9941-3 Finding being that people are happier (or have greater "life satisfaction") because they are married, not that happier people get married more. See section 3.2 & 3.3 I think it's this one people are referencing because it's the one cited in the institute of family studies article that is often cited on PPD to disprove the "women are happier when single" Paul Dolan claim…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/12/24 02:42 AM
21	Why are so many women in their 30s and 40s single, childless, and dissatisfied with their dating prospects? Firstly, before feminism men and women both married young, men were not waiting until they were in their 30s to get married. Not in the US, atleast. Secondly this is a moot point because all feminism did was give women more options. Women are choosing to go to school, they are choosing to get careers, they are choosing men around their own age. If your prescription relies on the subjugation of another group of people, it's just not realistic. Women were always destined to gain their rights and f…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/12/24 12:56 PM
19	Why are so many women in their 30s and 40s single, childless, and dissatisfied with their dating prospects? You have the world at your feet when it comes to marriage prospects straight out of Highschool. This is terrible advice for anyone, marriages in your early 20s have the lowest success rate. People change too much. Life is also just too turbulent at that point, you could end up going to school or getting a job across the country and then you have to choose. Also women like men who are 2-5 years older not like 10 years older lol. There are women who will date older men, just like there are women w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/12/24 12:01 PM
1	Feminists fearing and resenting men they never met is called sexism (II) And wouldn't crossing the street/keeping an eye on the person just be one of those universal measures? If done universally yes, of course. And in that case, there is no argument that it is sexist. The topic of the thread should be kept on situations when it's not done universally, which is all I'm saying. I don't think anyone can or should argue that simply carrying pepper spray is sexist. I cross the street regardless of race. Not saying you personally do it on the basis of race. I'm just sayin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/12/24 06:35 PM
3	Feminists fearing and resenting men they never met is called sexism (II) I wouldn't because I have very little reason to fear women. So you would just let a larger more athletic women stab you to death while you grip the pepper spray? My point isn't about the likelihood of this happening, obviously men are more likely to commit violent crime probably by orders of magnitude, I don't care enough to look it up. My point is more than nobody should have any issue with blanket self defense measures. Locking car doors, keeping pepper spray on you, using a buddy system etc. …	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/12/24 06:05 PM
0	Feminists fearing and resenting men they never met is called sexism (II) I do have pepper spray because I have experienced threatening behaviour from several men in the past. Idk how this would be discriminatory, obviously if a woman were to come at you with a knife for whatever reason you would pepper spray them just the same. Nothing wrong with this. Better example would be like crossing the road when there is a man walking behind you, like you referenced in your other comment, since you wouldn't do that to a woman.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/12/24 05:39 PM
–	No one owes you attraction, attention, or affection. If you want better outcomes, you must earn them. Period. Who’s to say these men aren’t improving then? If they are actively improving then they are agreeing with the thesis of this post. As I said, there is nothing disagreeable in this post, it's mostly just truisms. Which is why I'm surprised you take issue with the "attitude" of the post. The thesis is just "if you are doing bad, get good". Improving the areas women care about can mean so many different things there’s no distinct way to target or measure this. Well there are ways to measure romantic…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/12/24 05:21 PM
–	No one owes you attraction, attention, or affection. If you want better outcomes, you must earn them. Period. They have to compete to get the outcomes they want, just like men. Nobody is forcing anyone to compete, you just won't get what you want if you don't. That doesn’t guarantee shit for dating Nothing is guaranteed in life, but what else is there to do but to improve in the areas women care about? There isn't any other solution, you can't put the light bulb in the socket and expect the ceiling to start spinning to screw it in. You have to do it yourself, and if you aren't strong enough to screw it …	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/12/24 04:04 PM
–	No one owes you attraction, attention, or affection. If you want better outcomes, you must earn them. Period. This is a typical example of the disgusting attitude that’s faced in modern dating. The attitude that we have to improve if we aren't getting the success we want? I'd say this post is full of truisms. Essentially saying "physically attractive men are attractive". "Women like to laugh and not feel awkward when talking to you." Etc. what is the attitude? You haven’t done any hard work or improvement to earn your status in the dating market. Women do compete with eachother for men too though. They …	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/12/24 03:18 PM
2	How exactly do you think you can "sniff out bad personalities"? There is a difference between personality and moral character. You can have a good personality and kill people, I don't understand the dichotomy. Are there people saying the Luigi guy was not fun to hang out with, or that no one liked him?	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/12/24 02:35 PM
1	Society has given women a free pass for their standards while condemning men for theirs Who are you again? I did take those screen shots. Every last damned one of them. Doubt that. If you did, you would have used tweets from sooner than 2015, unless you were one of the incels making these compilations from the retweets of "heightism exposed" "daily heightism" and other accounts years ago. If you've been here long enough you have seen these types of compilations before, idk if it's the same exact one but they all are just 0 engagement tweets from accounts actively searching and coll…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/12/24 02:05 PM
1	Society has given women a free pass for their standards while condemning men for theirs You know this isn't true because you know you didn't even take that screen shot yourself lol. These compilation images of 0-10 like tweets have been going around for almost a decade now. I've seen them reposted more times then I have seen a woman complaining about short men, that's for sure. The rest of the world doesn't give a fuck. Especially not women. Are you expecting the whole world to put down a girl over a 9 like tweet? You can find your short person support group online if you look for …	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/12/24 03:38 AM
–	Society has given women a free pass for their standards while condemning men for theirs The "Daily Heightism" account that retweeted this is the pushback. You, by sharing and complaining about this, are the pushback.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/12/24 11:29 PM
3	Why does the perception that "most men are physically unattractive or below average" exist among women? The average American is obese. You're right in spirit but I thought it was like 40% obese 30% overweight 30% healthy or below by BMI. So avg American would be OW. That said, you can even be healthy BMI and be fat with a bad bf% and fat distribution, especially for males.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/12/24 10:14 PM
–	Red pill men in their 30s overestimate their market value Suffice to say, "low value men" can rarely pull off dating much younger women. Are there stats to back this up? Unless what you mean by "low value" is like a shy dorky dude, I'd say there are larger age gaps in poorer more drug addled communities ime. I couldn't find data to substantiate or refute my claim on this when I looked a while back, though.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/12/24 03:15 PM
2	Why do men have this perception that going after financial stability = women finding a man ugly? Nobody cares about ambition or drive, they care about results.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/12/24 02:39 AM
1	Why social media and dating apps have destroyed dating for average men and wreck the mental health of average women I agree I just think the only way you will ever see men stop suicide swiping is to address the reason they are suicide swiping in the first place. Which is a lack of matches. Only feasible way to address this is that men need to be forced to put up a good profile. They could even include tutorials on how to take good pictures and stuff.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/12/24 03:15 PM
1	Why social media and dating apps have destroyed dating for average men and wreck the mental health of average women I don't think anyone's getting a dopamine hit swiping 500 times and getting 5 matches. If anything it hurts their self esteem, that's part of why you see so many insecure men on here complaining about women's standards. The fact that the woman they think is ugly doesn't want them kills them inside. Guys who get a good amount of matches don't suicide swipe.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/12/24 02:43 PM
3	Why social media and dating apps have destroyed dating for average men and wreck the mental health of average women Wouldn't work anyway, I don't think people start out suicide swiping, they usually have little success and then move to suicide swiping. For those men, filtering after matching takes less work. The reason women don't suicide swipe is not because they are nicer or something, its just easier to filter before swiping for women because they have a higher swipe to match ratio. So what men actually should do is collectively improve their profiles/lives, without that happening the "suicide swipe meta" …	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/12/24 04:42 PM
7	Literally no man is “mad that women can choose their partners now.” This has absolutely nothing to do with TRP or men’s frustrations whatsoever and needs to stop being used as a deflection. Pretending to be something you're not doesn't work long term, better to focus on self improvement. Women enjoy romance, it's obvious when you're doing it. I would imagine most men do too, it's fun if you do it right. Obviously if there is no attraction (physical or otherwise) then it's just awkward though. Romance doesn't create attraction. Nobody really believes this, when I was growing up everyone knew why the girls in middle school liked Justin Bieber and one direction lol. Everyone knows loo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/11/24 04:42 AM
14	Men should (and are) show less sympathy towards women's issues in dating and in general it's a fetus, not a baby. Also, people in relationships get abortions too lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/11/24 01:40 AM
2	It took Kamala Harris loosing for women to gain some Standards Humans adapt pretty quickly to things. If for some reason you couldn't have sex, you'd probably just get used to it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/11/24 01:59 AM
–	Women: You're dating a guy and find out he's excited to attend a "White Dudes for Kamala" event. Do you question his sexuality? complete subservience to female authority A little neurotic, don't you think? As far as I can tell this is a similar campaign as the "black voices for trump". It's just appealing to a demographic they don't normally appeal to.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/11/24 07:41 PM
0	It seems like males slow to commit AND slow to break up Redpill people who get "censored" aren't being "censored" for telling men they aren't a princess in a Disney movie lol. Young men are reacting by becoming cynical, more selfish, and turning against every stage of feminism, breaking taboos that span almost all the way to right for a few generations now, such as the female vote. This has less to do with finding out romcoms are fantasies and more to do with blatant misinformation coming from influencers/social media young men are consuming. Think o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/10/24 08:41 PM
3	Why do girls make the biggest deal about getting approached/hit on, even when done respectfully by a guy they find attractive? but then it wouldn't have been done "respectfully"	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/24 04:18 PM
0	Men should approach less and reject more He didn't say she did anything bad, just that she dumped him. Someone dumping you doesn't mean you have license to be manipulative to them. He even admitted he's wrong for it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/24 01:24 PM
7	Denying sex in a marriage should be considered cheating. You can have whatever definition of cheating you want so long as your partner agrees to it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/24 04:39 PM
1	Pro Porn Rant Part 2: Addressing 2 of three main radfem arguements. And the reason is that the main interaction that they have with them is watching them get fucked by some other guy while they stroke their cock in front of a computer screen. If you consider simply watching a pornographic video as an "interaction" with women, there's no way any man's primary interaction with women is through porn lol. Even if he never leaves the house, women are in literally every form of media, if seeing a a picture of a woman naked is an "interaction" then surely seeing an act…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/09/24 05:01 AM
1	If a lady is not being intimate with you, it means you are not attractive enough or not trust worthy enough Idk what you mean by trauma, if a person is like a little tipsy, but still capable of informed consent then yes that would require intimacy as well. If they are too drunk to consent, of course there is no intimacy. This is also why in my relationship if my girlfriend were raped, I wouldn't consider it cheating, it's not really about a man being inside her it's about the intimacy required to make that happen.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/08/24 02:16 PM
1	If a lady is not being intimate with you, it means you are not attractive enough or not trust worthy enough To me anyway, willingness to get naked with another person and allowing them to touch your body and in that way requires a level of trust and emotional connection. Which is why I would get upset if my partner cheated, its not really the act itself its the level of trust, vulnerability and connection required to do it/want to do it. That's what makes sex different than playing video games with another man, to me at least. If it was just something she did for fun and there was no intimacy, I would…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/08/24 01:58 PM
1	If a lady is not being intimate with you, it means you are not attractive enough or not trust worthy enough so a ONS is intimate, it just isn't as intimate as sex within a relationship?	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/08/24 01:42 PM
2	If a lady is not being intimate with you, it means you are not attractive enough or not trust worthy enough We are asking specifically about non-intimate sex, sex which is meaningless in your view. I'm not asking if you think it's ok to cheat, I'm asking why you consider it cheating in the first place. To be clear, for most people just about any action can be cheating if it is romantic or intimate. It's ok for my gf to go out to dinner with a coworker, it's not ok if it's clearly a date. They can make music together, just not if they're making love songs and shit lol. The intimacy/romance is what is m…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/08/24 01:00 PM
2	If a lady is not being intimate with you, it means you are not attractive enough or not trust worthy enough You stated why the sex is different but not why the sex is exclusive. I can understand why it's different. For me a hug or going on a night out with my gf can be very initmate, but I can also hug other women and it's not intimate, I get that it's not the same. What I don't get is why the sex needs to be exclusive if you can have non-intimate sex. Like I wouldn't mind my girlfriend hugging other men or going on nights out with them, as long as it isn't intimate or romantic. So why wouldn't you le…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/08/24 10:43 PM
4	If a lady is not being intimate with you, it means you are not attractive enough or not trust worthy enough Do you allow your boyfriend to sleep with other people while you are in a relationship because sex can be "meaningless" in your view?	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/08/24 07:30 PM
1	Women grossly exaggerate the prevalence of drink spiking How do they know drinks are being spiked with alcohol? Surveillance footage?	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/24 01:53 PM
5	What are single men doing wrong? I can only read the abstract but all this is saying is that, in speed dating, physical attractiveness was the strongest predictor of attraction. You should link the full paper or at least quote the part that you think proves personality doesn't influence how attractive someone is.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/24 12:39 AM
2	CMV: Men who are concerned about being 'Beta-Buxxed', shouldn't complain about being 'Friendzoned' Anyone that can't be friends with someone who doesn't want a romantic relationship with them isn't emotionally capable of having either a friend or life partner because they see other people as a means of benefiting themselves ??? Firstly, friendships are supposed to be mutually beneficial, expecting people to remain friends with you if they don't benefit from the relationship or the relationship actively hurts them is narcissistic and stupid. Sometimes in life you cut out friends who are bad fo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/24 01:09 AM
1	CMV: Men who are concerned about being 'Beta-Buxxed', shouldn't complain about being 'Friendzoned' People are complicated, I think you're reading too much into it. Some people just can't be friends with someone they have romantic feelings for because they just can't get over it if they are constantly seeing and talking to them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/24 08:09 PM
2	Women will defend women no matter what If you use your own personal definition for something in lieu of the commonly understood definition without making it clear you are doing so, you are misleading people. Whether or not it was intentional is a separate issue. There are even scenarios where it's his own fault he got misled.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/24 04:22 AM
7	Western women's dating options are shrinking. It's not entitlement to refuse to date a particular group of people. Berating someone that won't date you because they have "high standards" would be an example of entitlement e.g. "I have decided that you are my equivalent therefore you are a bad person for rejecting me!!" Also don't know what you mean by "equal", nobody dates their "equal" you date someone who compliments you and is to your taste. If you earn a lot of money because you work long hours, maybe you want someone who earns less but…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/06/24 11:45 AM
7	Let's share some examples of average-looking 20-something dudes? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Averageness Many studies, using different averaging techniques, including the use of line drawings[15] and face profiles,[16] have shown that this is a general principle: average faces are consistently more attractive than the faces used to generate them.[17][18][19][20] An averaged face is typically better rated than the individual images used to create the averaged face. How attractive just depends how many faces you average.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/06/24 01:20 AM
2	Men should avoid dating sexual assault victims If they are "advertising" that they are a victim then they are almost certainly trying to get something from you. Could be just empathy/sympathy because they feel like the need reassurance. It could be something more sinister/manipulative. Be careful about people who trauma dump when you barely know them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/06/24 01:37 PM
2	Long term relationships fail a cost/benefit analysis for men outside the top 20% I genuinely feel like the reason men are so hung up on this top 20% thing I think they just can't take responsibility for their own failures. If you convince yourself the game was rigged then you don't need to feel bad about losing	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/24 03:00 PM
1	Perspective on autistic dating, from an autistic woman Autistic people are very diverse. Obviously if you can't change your behaviours to be more palettable to women then you're going to have to make up for it somehow if you want to date women. But some autistic men I know are super chill and do well with women. It just depends. I dont think broad strokes advice works, other than the same kind of advice you would give to anyone including neurotypical people. E.g. don't make her feel awkward, make eye contact, read her body language/the room etc. Jus…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/24 02:24 PM
2	You aren't in the mood. Your SO promptly masterbates and calls it a night. How do you feel? Lol what, no. Men absolutely are insecure about their images, just look at all the whining that happens about "chad" on this sub. Ever seen a guy get upset because his ex is with a more handsome man? And women absolutely will feel insecure about performance, if you tell her your ex was better in bed than her she's going to get upset even if your ex was fat. Also beautiful women will get jealous of uglier women if they seem to vibe with you or make your laugh a lot, it happens.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/24 11:55 AM
3	Women are dishonest about their appearance It would depend what the woman was complaining about. e.g. if she was complaining that men who have beards are dishonestly hiding their weak chin then I'd tell her to not date men who have beards lol. This particular problem just doesn't seem like an issue at all.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/05/24 06:28 PM
–	All men are ephebophiles and I'm tired of pretending they're not I'd like to see it too. Intuitively it doesn't really make sense since development is not uniform and non-linear. There are going to be a good chunk of 16 year olds who look mostly undeveloped, like children, because they started puberty late. I imagine that would set the average attractiveness lower. And you shouldn't really look that different between like 20 and when you finished puberty. People don't age that quickly it's not as if you can pick out what year a woman is in in university based…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/05/24 12:39 PM
–	Women dominated spaces are heavily thought policed The rules are applied evenly, there is a rule against incels, there is no rule against femcels. Because femcels aren't an issue.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/05/24 02:28 PM
–	Women dominated spaces are heavily thought policed When femcels start spam posting woe is me bullshit like incels do then I might agree they should be banned too. The issue with incels is their entire viewpoint is built on self pity. That their lack of success is 100% out of their control and that there is literally nothing that can be done to improve things. They are too caught up in their own ego to accept any responsibility, so they don't really debate. They just make discussion posts which ultimately amount to whining about their height or s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/05/24 02:21 PM
4	Women dominated spaces are heavily thought policed With rules against “incel” posts etc. This is for everybody not just women lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/05/24 12:17 PM
2	Is it fair to bring up sexual assault stats in every debate or conversation ? They aren't an outlier though, there's a reason no one has been able to provide a single example of someone bringing up sexual assault stats when it's completely irrelevant to the discussion despite it happening "all the time". In the time it took you write up everything you did in this chain, you could have found an example, especially if it happens all the time.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/05/24 01:10 PM
0	Is it fair to bring up sexual assault stats in every debate or conversation ? Any examples? Never seen this.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/05/24 12:44 PM
1	Can women feel true empathy for men? I'd say that they treat pick-mes poorly but the pick-mes let them/like to be treated poorly. Like a misogynist might start with a prior assumption that women can't lead or that women are less intelligent, that assumption would make them not select women for leadership roles (e.g. not voting for a woman in an election). A pick-me would be ok with not having leadership opportunities so she wouldn't care but this is still bad treatment. Same way a self described man-hater might think men are danger…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/05/24 12:40 AM
5	Are women aware that if a man is committing he'll never commit? I think it's underestimated how many women are actually perfectly fine being in this situation. Even if they know it's probably not permanent and they would prefer commitment long-term, a lot of them are getting what they want out of it for the time being and have no reason to stop.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/05/24 06:41 PM
3	Can women feel true empathy for men? I think anyone who outright says they hate x group probably has bad priors related to that group. That's going to affect behaviours towards everyone in that group.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/05/24 01:50 AM
1	Hypothesis on the Bear Situation. Choosing Bear is a statement, not a real life decision. It means exactly what I said it means in my previous comment, A "Yankees Fan" is a person who sincerely identifies as someone who likes or admires the Yankees baseball team in an enthusiastic way. otherwise it's circular and doesn't mean anything.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/05/24 10:38 PM
1	Hypothesis on the Bear Situation. Choosing Bear is a statement, not a real life decision. The Yankees are a baseball team a fan is a person who likes an admires something in an enthusiastic way. It's a person who sincerely identifies as a Yankees fan. You could define it that way, but only if the sense of "yankees fan" is different in the definition than in the term you are defining, doing the same exercise as in the previous comment: Yankee = baseball team Fan = a person who admires or likes something in an enthusiastic way Sense 1: a "Yankees Fan" = a person who sincerely identifie…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/05/24 10:02 PM
1	Hypothesis on the Bear Situation. Choosing Bear is a statement, not a real life decision. No, it's not. It's only not circular if the word "woman" in the definition you provide is in a different sense than the word "woman" that you are defining. If it's the same sense it's circular and you can see that if you try to substitute "woman" for it's meaning in the definition: woman = a person who sincerely identifies as a woman A woman is a person who sincerely identifies as a person who sincerely identifies as a person who sincerely identifies as a person who sincerely identifies as a per…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/05/24 09:28 PM
10	How likely are you to believe someone who says they've been raped? What factors would influence your judgement? If he got convicted there's probably more to this story. What's the name of the guy?	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/05/24 12:26 PM
1	At what age would you not have a problem with a woman dating a man 20 years older than her? Round number bias is the reason, the age could be 29 and 364 days, sure but if you have to pick a single number, 30 is good enough.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/05/24 01:48 AM
1	What is a common piece of dating advice that is worthless in your experience? This isnt nuanced or complicated Because the people who need this kind of advice are precisely the kind of person for whom all of the nuance you are assuming comes with the phrase "Be yourself" are simply not going to make sense for. the people who need this advice aren't typically intellectually disabled no. I think they can figure out what "be yourself" means.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/05/24 02:14 PM
1	What is a common piece of dating advice that is worthless in your experience? But that is you being yourself. When people say "be yourself" they mean "don't pretend to be someone you're not". They don't mean "stop existing as something else (????) and become yourself", that doesn't even make sense. They just mean be true to yourself, be authentic etc. That is a more helpful way to look at it than thinking you aren't "being yourself" when in fact there is a LOT of information to be gained by understanding why being yourself makes you behave inauthentically. in other word, …	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/05/24 12:13 AM
1	Violence statistics men vs women vs bears A histogram that is based on normally distributed values is colloquially called a bell curve.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/24 04:11 PM
1	What is a common piece of dating advice that is worthless in your experience? You can pretend to be interested in things you're not interested in, you can fake laugh at jokes you don't find funny, you can dress in styles you don't like, you can lie about your background and pretend to be from somewhere you're not etc. As long as you aren't intellectually disabled you can understand what people mean by "be yourself".	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/24 03:37 PM
15	Have you noticed the only ones who seem to care about age gap relationships are older or less desirable women, and they only care when the man is older? A lot of complete losers date younger people as well though. I honestly think it might be more common just less talked about by upper middle class reddit. Pretty sure my mid thirties half brother met his current girl who is like 13 years younger at whatever dead end fastfood/retail or whatever job he was holding at the time.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/05/24 01:16 PM
1	If makeup were illegal, it might not entirely fix the current situation but it would change it significantly Only property that matters is TEWL. My understanding is very few of active skin care ingredients have any scientifically observable benefit aside from retinol.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/24 01:45 PM
2	If makeup were illegal, it might not entirely fix the current situation but it would change it significantly Seems like a way to sell moisturizer at a higher price per volume.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/24 01:32 PM
-1	For men who prefer that women don’t wear makeup or say it’s not necessary - share a picture of a woman you find attractive not wearing makeup? I see a lot of guys saying that makeup isn’t necessary, or that they prefer no makeup. Men have 0 idea what women do to attract men. Just like women have no idea what men do to attract women. Don't ask a fish how to catch a fish, ask a skilled fisherman.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/05/24 12:16 PM
19	Most Blue Pill men are just “sneaky fuckers” practicing sexual mimicry. Blue pill men are just normal guys you see on the street that arent doing cringe shit like trying to train their girlfriends. Dont know if you watched the movie but the vast majority of people were plugged into the matrix.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/05/24 01:10 AM
1	Unpopular opinion: Pressuring women to hurry up and get married and pregnant ASAP actually makes it harder to date/form a "happy family" Neither of you have explained how women are supposed to feel or feign attraction to men who aren’t attractive or sexy. They should probably feel motivated to dump his ass and date a guy she's actually attracted to, why would you want to date someone you're not attracted? I don't think feigning attraction leads to good relationships, if attraction isn't there the relationship just doesn't work like 95% of the time. Is she his first pick? Answer me. Is she his first pick? It's a hypothetical, I wa…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/24 10:51 PM
1	Unpopular opinion: Pressuring women to hurry up and get married and pregnant ASAP actually makes it harder to date/form a "happy family" I disagree, because those people could still find fulfillment and happiness inside a committed relationship even if they lower their expectations of sex. I think a lack of sexual compatibility will result in shitty relationship 80 or 90% of the time. I'd say there are needs and wants in a relationship, and sexual compatibility is a need. Especially if the reason for the lack of sex isn't an issue with sex drive, it's that your partner just doesn't find you attractive, that is doomed 100% of the …	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/24 09:17 PM
1	Unpopular opinion: Pressuring women to hurry up and get married and pregnant ASAP actually makes it harder to date/form a "happy family" There are limits to what anyone can expect, and age is a limiter. But nothing is a bigger limiter than unrealistic expectations of a partner. The issue isn't how realistic the expectations are, it's how reasonable they are. It's pretty reasonable to want a partner who finds you attractive, if that isn't realistic for you for whatever reason then you're better off not dating. but I've learned that many women have social or cultural inhibitions and many simply don't care about sex much at all. Tha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/24 05:23 PM
1	What qualifications does a man have to meet to be a "high value man"? the word "value" is used correctly here, we're literally on a dating debate subreddit talking about dating, obviously we aren't talking about the most valuable baseball player or any other type of value. I don't think anyone else here is confused by this.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/24 05:06 PM
1	Unpopular opinion: Pressuring women to hurry up and get married and pregnant ASAP actually makes it harder to date/form a "happy family" But he was no one's first round pick, is what I'm saying. I think you overestimate how difficult it is to be attractive to women, I might only be attractive to like 1-2% of women, but that's a ton of 1. It must suck having to do things like that with a person you aren't attracted to. Are you denying that many people simply aren't attractive or appealing to the opposite sex? Have you been to a Wal-mart? A beach? Any public spaces? There are all kinds of contented couples and families laughing and…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/24 03:47 PM
1	What qualifications does a man have to meet to be a "high value man"? It’s saying “what women think gives you value as a person” What we mean when we say "in dating context" is: "What women think gives you value as a romantic or sexual partner" not as a person.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/24 03:18 PM
2	Unpopular opinion: Pressuring women to hurry up and get married and pregnant ASAP actually makes it harder to date/form a "happy family" Why? Are you as attracted to a 35 year old woman as you were to your classmates when you were in high school? How far along in highschool are we talking about lol. But if I understand what you are getting at, it's understood people look worse as they age but generally the hottest 20 year old is going to be hot at 30 if they take care of themselves. Generally just want your partner to think you're attractive. Ideally. But if no one else wanted to have sex with him, why would he expect her to clim…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/24 03:05 PM
1	What qualifications does a man have to meet to be a "high value man"? You say more options allow YOU to bring in better people, but those people ARE the ones who determine your value Yeah, and? I determine their value too, and hopefully we are both happy with what we get out of the relationship. At that point you aren’t even a man. Or a dating partner. Your just a slave. You don't have to be a valuable relationship/sex partner if you don't want to. Just like you don't need to be a valuable employee or a valuable friend. You can easily not have a relationship, or n…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/24 02:45 PM
1	What qualifications does a man have to meet to be a "high value man"? So it’s ONLY a value on women wanting to date you. So literary men’s value only comes from women. In the context of dating yeah. Obviously I can be a valuable in other areas of life (work, softball team etc). But HVM is just referring to romantic and sexual relationships. So why wouldn’t simping/Betabux/sugaring be considered just smart? Because most men want to derive their relationship/sexual value from other areas than strictly their wealth. They want to be valued as a person, and for their o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/24 02:09 PM
2	Unpopular opinion: Pressuring women to hurry up and get married and pregnant ASAP actually makes it harder to date/form a "happy family" Nearly everyone settles. No one has a perfect partner, but most people have partners they are attracted to. Telling ordinary, unsexy men to expect nothing less than frequent, passionate sex I don't think anyone is suggesting the woman should be so enamoured she's passionately sleeping with you three times a day. But she should be attracted to you the same way she was attracted to the "1st round picks" as you put it. If she is thinking of you as a "2nd round pick" that she chose because she is un…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/24 01:43 PM
1	What qualifications does a man have to meet to be a "high value man"? So you are saying they are more HV than a straight man if women find them Attractive? Hypothetically yeah if women would rather date a gay guy then a guy who is straight then the gay guy is higher value. I suspect women would rather be single than date either of these men lol, can't imagine a straight women wanting to be with a gay man. Your now worthless because that relationship is over? No? That's one company's evaluation, there are other people who are interested in hiring me. I don't person…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/24 01:04 PM
0	Unpopular opinion: Pressuring women to hurry up and get married and pregnant ASAP actually makes it harder to date/form a "happy family" They are mean people regardless, just cowardly and mean.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/24 12:43 PM
2	Unpopular opinion: Pressuring women to hurry up and get married and pregnant ASAP actually makes it harder to date/form a "happy family" Would you really marry someone who didn't find you attractive? Would just create resentment and insecurity, seems miserable. I'd rather just try to improve myself to the point where someone can find me attractive or just live alone, either is probably better.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/24 12:29 PM
1	What qualifications does a man have to meet to be a "high value man"? It doesn’t even mean his value as a person TO date. Yeah it does. It just means “attractive” in the context of dating (according to TRP) Things are attractive because they hold good value yes, that's why they are attractive. To be clear I don't mean physically attractive. who is a bunch of men SAYING that that value (in this exclusive context) is fully dependent on outside sources of women. Yes of course your value as a potential romantic or sexual partner is based on women's evaluations. This i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/04/24 11:27 AM
14	Teenage girl watching red pill content. When someone says "he has a great personality" they don't mean "he's Christian" they mean "he's fun to hang out with". Personality is just categorizing someone's behaviors and emotional patterns. This includes interpersonal behaviours.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/04/24 11:09 AM
1	What qualifications does a man have to meet to be a "high value man"? every subculture/hobby group/industry on earth does this, that's why sites like urban dictionary exist. So that if a friend tells me his car is a "sleeper", I can look it up in urban dictionary and see that car enthusiasts call cars that look normal but are "souped-up" under the hood "sleepers". Lifting has words like this too, how many different words are there to describe being muscular with low body fat? I'm sure wherever you work has industry jargon as well, that's essentially the same thing…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/04/24 03:21 AM
1	What qualifications does a man have to meet to be a "high value man"? Couple of reasons: Groups of people tend to create their own jargon/slang for things, TRP creates all sorts of slang for concepts, e.g. "hamstering" is basically just "rationalizing". part of TRP is viewing relationships through an economic lens, so using the word "value" is directly is drawing a comparison to how a product might be valued in a particular market vs how a man might be valued in a "dating market". The analogy is apparently useful for some people who are hung up on thinking love is…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/04/24 12:22 AM
1	What qualifications does a man have to meet to be a "high value man"? It's just a term to describe men who are attractive sexual/romantic partners to women, it's really not that complicated or deep. Idk where the confusion is.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/24 11:31 PM
1	What qualifications does a man have to meet to be a "high value man"? You can’t be like “I’m not HVM” but I’m high value. Yeah you can do it with other people, like saying "x person is not conventionally attractive but I think they are hot". That would essentially be the same as saying "I think I'm high value but I'm not objectively high value (i.e. I'm not a HVM)". Obviously it just sounds delusional to say something like that though lol because your own opinion of dating value is pretty much worthless.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/24 10:15 PM
3	Passport bros are actually hurting western men’s reputation in some countries Notice you didn't link the urban dictionary entry, wonder why? The "Passport Bros" are men who have chosen to seek out foreign women, typically from other countries, for relationships. They believe that western women have been influenced by cultural and societal pressures to behave in a certain way, and that by seeking out foreign women, they can find a more authentic, fulfilling, and harmonious relationship. This is seen as a way to restore the natural balance between masculine and feminine ene…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/04/24 12:38 PM
1	Passport bros are actually hurting western men’s reputation in some countries Simply dating someone outside of your country doesn't make you a "passport bro", that's not what the term means. It's specifically western men seeking out non western women because of their beliefs about the quality of western women. If you don't understand the term don't debate it, google is free.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/04/24 11:51 AM
5	The “I’d rather be in the woods with a bear than a man” things it’s utterly ridiculous. I have personally always interpreted it as a bear that is guaranteed to attack you in the worst way it can or a man that is guaranteed to attack you in the worst ways he can. Why specify men though if we are ignoring the probability of each and are just comparing the worst case scenario? Theoretically any person physically stronger than you could cause you more pain than a bear if they want to. If we also consider that humans can use weapons, even people who aren't physically stronger can. I thi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/24 02:47 PM
3	Mental issues are not as prevalent source of problems as you might think This was the study he is citing I think: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22582346/ In this video he address the controversy created by the comments he made in the podcast, he has all his citations in the description https://www.youtube.com/live/kt6UmH1EflY?si=sQo1yx_wVH384BGQ	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/04/24 12:58 PM
0	Another “Are We Dating The Same Guy” lawsuit Did you read the court docs? Ms Valdes posted screenshots of their interactions in the group, it wasn't just her making baseless claims. Maybe it's a bit much to say that "it's fun watching you burn" made her feel "threatened", but guy is actually a nut job based on the messages. Tbh this seems like an example of the group working as intended. https://sickoscoop.com/tx/7d7851b2331f420257169ceba9aa472cc4302ad633da8a5dfc38d5d0b91f0f83 Who knows maybe the other 49 cases will be stronger? Guess we'l…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/24 02:12 PM
–	In the US, looking good is more beneficial for men than women. Men who look good are rarer but that's because men invest less time and money into their appearance. Probably because the return on investment is lower since mens' looks don't matter as much as womens' do. There are guys in this sub that swear up and down that society lied to them and they had no idea looks mattered for men until someone "redpilled" them lol. All women know their looks matter alot by middle school for a reason, they don't need to be "redpilled," they just need to exist as a woma…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/04/24 01:54 PM
1	Why do women get turned off if a guy is living with parents even though they live with parents too? Yeah I don't see why the reason would be different for women who live with their parents vs those who don't. You would be presenting a double standard though. No? She applies the same standard to everyone she dates, they need to be independent. You look for things that you value and hope to find someone who offers those things. When you find them to decide if what you offer is what they are looking for. The standards might different because there are two parties looking for different things. Wan…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/24 12:56 PM
43	Why do women get turned off if a guy is living with parents even though they live with parents too? If it were just the sex logistics you would expect women who have their own apartments to be more willing to date men who live with their parents since they have a private place. I think it's the lack of independence.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/24 09:06 PM
1	Modern Dating Doesn’t Actually Work I can only work with the information you gave me, you had said I'll be working more earning far more to support us I can't speak to your situation if the details aren't going to be consistent, so I'll just go back to speaking in generalities. It doesn't matter how much the people involved "believe in" alimony, if one party chooses not to build a career and works harder at home to pull their weight, they will absolutely get fucked when the relationship ends. The party who works gets to reap all o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/03/24 03:04 PM
1	Modern Dating Doesn’t Actually Work So if you break up do you just not care what happens to him? Dude is clearly making decisions with the assumption that you will support him.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/03/24 01:40 PM
1	Modern Dating Doesn’t Actually Work If his career is essentially a house husband he then that makes it more important to get married so that he has some access to alimony if you divorce. He probably won't be able to support himself on his own, especially if he takes custody of the kids as he will have been around them more.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/03/24 01:19 PM
1	Modern Dating Doesn’t Actually Work If he is going to be sacrificing his career more you should still marry for his sake.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/03/24 01:11 PM
3	People are way too obsessed with finding happiness and it's one of the reasons why relationships are in such a poor place. This is a bit of a false dichotomy because pretty much everything that will give you some sense of fulfillment or purpose in life will also improve your position in dating. Like having a job that is important and difficult like being a doctor will also make you more attractive. Learning a difficult skill like an instrument or other art will also impress potential partners. Having many and varied experiences, having large friend groups and people who have been positively impacted by you. All thes…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/03/24 12:55 PM
0	Modern Dating Doesn’t Actually Work Really just depends on the laws where you live and what not but if you decide to have kids getting married can be helpful especially if you are taking more time off than he is to recover and raise them. But sometimes common law marriage essentially protects you in the same way, so it depends on the country and laws.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/03/24 12:32 PM
1	Most men are struggling to find their equivalent, which is why TRP has not only spilled over into the mainstream but become common sense Yeah and I mostly agree with you. Though I would say you are talking about SMV equivalence for men and RMV equivalence for women. e.g. the person a man or woman can normally attract for commitment would be their RMV equivalent. The person a woman or man can normally attract for casual sex would be their SMV equivalent.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/24 09:46 PM
1	Most men are struggling to find their equivalent, which is why TRP has not only spilled over into the mainstream but become common sense There is way more to attraction than bf%	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/24 09:11 PM
1	Most men are struggling to find their equivalent, which is why TRP has not only spilled over into the mainstream but become common sense They were asking for OPs definition. Your definition precludes OPs observation so it's clearly not the definition OP is using	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/24 09:06 PM
–	Women are becoming increasingly less feminine and exhibiting masculine traits that most men find unattractive, yet due to desperation and simping they have no motivation to stop Or just do what you think looks good, dw about what women in general think. Odds are if you like how you look there are women who will like how you look too.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/02/24 11:27 PM
–	You are responsible for providing evidence for your ideas, it's not on others to find that evidence for you. I'll edit my original post to refer to the Wikipedia article Well the nice thing about Wikipedia is that everyone can read it, I lost journal access when I graduated unfortunately and I assume most people here are in the same boat. Notice that in discussing the possibility of Red Pill grifters, I said "It seems to me..." to clearly indicate that I was making a personal observation, not statement of fact. Yeah I mostly just assume they are speaking from personal experience if they don't have some…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/02/24 03:44 AM
–	You are responsible for providing evidence for your ideas, it's not on others to find that evidence for you. Remember, folks, this is pretty casual debate but it never hurts to demand evidence and get down to the nitty-gritty of post - letting people off the hook defeats the point of having a debate instead of a casual discussion. I find that the bigger issue is when they state their opinions as fact and support it with "evidence" that doesn't actually support their claim. Especially since most people do what you did in your OP which is to simply link to something without quoting from it to explain how…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/02/24 03:02 AM
1	I don’t understand, it seems like women don’t have to do much work or “real” work to become attractive/ have sex with atrractive men she’s attracted to and sexually attracted to I think everyone agrees on what is ugly but what is hot can be controversial. Especially for women but even among men there are things like lip fillers that some guys really like and some hate.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/02/24 04:34 PM
1	I don’t understand, it seems like women don’t have to do much work or “real” work to become attractive/ have sex with atrractive men she’s attracted to and sexually attracted to The comments on those tiktoks are full of thirst. Mid guys don't get comments like that. Proof is in the pudding, they're hot.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/02/24 04:21 PM
1	Society is finished, terminal stage Never mind that they basically live in an open air prison even when they aren't at war. When have they not been "at war"? Is firing thousands of rockets into the neighboring country "peace"? Yeah the security situation sucks and it's difficult to move people and products in and out, but there is a valid reason for that. Egypt enforces the blockade on their border as well for the same reason. Two very good friends are Israeli 48 Arabs, meaning they are Israeli citizens of Palestinian heritage. Th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/02/24 12:26 AM
1	Society is finished, terminal stage They're in the middle of a war, there are obviously food supply issues right now. 2002 was during to second intifada, another conflict caused by Palestine. I'm not sure if that's why those numbers or high or if they are using some definition of anemic that is different. Or it could just be the case that since Israel started blockade there has been more food in Gaza somehow I'm not sure. In 2020, women's obesity was at 30%, 60% of mothers in Gaza were either obese or overweight. I think that's pr…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/02/24 02:48 PM
1	Society is finished, terminal stage I think you are overestimating the effects of those things. To put numbers to this, Palestine (West Bank and Gaza) ranks 46/191 (in the top 25% of countries) for % of population between 0 and 14. In terms of fertility they are 46/203 (top 23%). That tracks, high fertility = high child population. For life expectancy, a proxy for premature death rates, they are 116/201 countries (better than 57% of countries). So we can infer by their above average life expectancy that they are not experiencing m…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/02/24 02:31 AM
1	Society is finished, terminal stage Life expectancy in Gaza is 75.7 years. West bank has no blockade and though there is some settler violence, we don't have larger operations (protective edge, cast lead, swords of iron etc). West bank has a life expectancy of 76.6 years so we can reasonably estimate that the blockade and violence shaves off about 0.9 years on average. Still higher than the global average though, which is 71.2 but less than developed countries like the US at 78.9. https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/article…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/01/24 03:37 PM
2	Society is finished, terminal stage ETA: It's mostly kids because the adults have been killed. That is not lucky. It's mostly kids because of their birthrates, they were having 8.3 children per woman in 1991, it's down to 3.8 now but still high. Labour force participation rate is 17.2% for women, 22% of women have children before 18 so a fair amount of children having children as well another source has 4.4% for adolescent birth rate which seems more accurate, I may have misread this stat. https://www.pcbs.gov.ps/statisticsIndicat…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/01/24 11:30 AM
–	The reason why society shuns age gap dating is because the younger a girl is, the more shes coveted It's not becoming more common, where did you get that idea from? Large age gaps used to be the norm, they are uncommon now. What is becoming more common is women dating men who earn less than them and also dating men younger than them. Also the economy is fine right now.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/01/24 10:54 AM
1	“genuinely kind guy” is a rebrand of the “nice guy” He’s still forgetting the part where they came back to him after being beat One ex wife did, and we don't know the details surrounding that case so it's pointless to debate. There is all sorts of psychological reasons why abused people (not just women) will go back to abusers. If you want to assume she is sound of mind, do you think she thought he was going to be abusive toward her again? Do you think she was expecting to be beat again? To me, its obvious she thought he must have changed, and th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/01/24 02:57 PM
1	“genuinely kind guy” is a rebrand of the “nice guy” Except for the part where the abuser has had 5 ex wives like the scenario Yes because someone being boring is immediately obvious. Abusive people don't victimize their partners on the first date. Not-immediately obvious trash will do better than obvious trash initially. But it won't last, hence 5 ex wives. Neither of these men are successful. Also makes no sense to say abusers don’t get dates, they wouldn’t be abusers then Do you think if he was swinging at women on the first date he would do ju…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/01/24 02:37 PM
1	“genuinely kind guy” is a rebrand of the “nice guy” Just world fallacy. Where are these romantic and sexually attractive men who can't get a girlfriend? Also, you keep repeatedly proving the point that the guy who is harmless but boring is demonized more than the CONFIRMED physical abuser. I'm not demonizing him for being boring, nothing wrong with being lame. I'm just pointing out he would be garbage partner and that his boringness is more readily apparent than an abuser. Even if she heard he was abusive in the pas, a lot of people (especially u…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/01/24 03:04 AM
2	“genuinely kind guy” is a rebrand of the “nice guy” How do you even know that BOTH men are garbage partners, when one isn't even given a chance? Because if they had any romantic or sexual value they would have had a girlfriend at some point. 5 ex wives means 5 successful relationships before marriage that the dateless man didn't even have. Yeah the difference is the abusive guy isn't beating women on their first date, the shy awkward boring guy is boring her to death from the first date on. To be fair it is possible the guy would get better over …	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/01/24 05:38 PM
5	Men having lower standards of cleanliness is not a "flaw" I think it's better to just adopt the higher standard of cleanliness rather than compromise. In general the person with the lower standard will be ok living in a cleaner space but the one with the higher will have the compulsion to clean if the space is too dirty for them. I think it just doesn't work as well.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/01/24 04:54 PM
2	“genuinely kind guy” is a rebrand of the “nice guy” What does it being an old article have anything to do with the discussion. We've all read this a long time ago, it's nothing new. That was why I said it, you up to speed? You seem to not even aware that he’s cheating in his current wives with his ex wives. He cheated on his current wife with one of his ex wives, what does that change? Do you think the majority of women he dated expected to be beaten by him? focus of the article when it’s clearly more about women’s reactions to nice guys vs bad g…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/01/24 04:09 PM
1	“genuinely kind guy” is a rebrand of the “nice guy” I did read it, this is a very old article. 5 wives and cheating on then with your ex wives is undoubtedly more success than the guy who can’t land a date Yes but he is not successful in dating, clearly.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/01/24 02:00 PM
0	I genuinely think people underestimate female toxicity Those are the options, those are always the options even if one of those options isn't around you. Punching a wall is like a heat of the moment type thing. It's not like he's making the decision "should I punch this wall or go seek out someone to punch". When he says he is punching the wall instead of people, he means in the heat of the moment. A rage room I've never heard of this before but it looks like everything in the room is designed to be punched. Like there is wood up on the walls so you…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/01/24 01:48 PM
0	“genuinely kind guy” is a rebrand of the “nice guy” Is it really that much of a mystery to you? He probably didn't start their first date throwing fists at her. Some guys are obviously not worth dating, some guys are not worth dating and you don't know that until there's already some investment. Considering the dude has 5 wives, he clearly isn't doing very well with women either.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/01/24 01:20 PM
-2	Would you care if your gf hung out with guys she’s slept with in the past? Yeah absolutely spineless lol, if there were a genuine issue with the friend then sure. In this case it's just his insecurity, he thinks she will prefer her ex over himself. The moment he makes that request any value she had in the relationship should plummet. And no I don't think it is a good sign if they accept the ultimatum, it just means there will be more ultimatums. You can't positively reinforce that behaviour.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/01/24 05:52 PM
-3	Would you care if your gf hung out with guys she’s slept with in the past? At that point you should probably just leave if it bothers you that much, issuing ultimatums like that early on in a relationship is a sign the relationship won't last. Any woman who agrees to ditch a friend for a guy she just started dating is probably not worth dating anyway, way too spineless.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/01/24 05:29 PM
-4	Would you care if your gf hung out with guys she’s slept with in the past? Everyone has insecurities, but that doesn't mean they aren't bad. What if you meet a girl who checks all your boxes, you really like her but is friends with her ex from 8 years ago. It's an inconsequential detail that derails the whole relationship.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/01/24 04:41 PM
–	Most girls are genuinely repelled by truly kind men, you have to have some degree of asshole in you or they will get bored So you tease women and aren't looking for a relationship and you think that makes you an asshole? Only things that sound assholish is the cancelling dates (which doesn't work, women are not getting more attracted to you because you cancel dates often) and "telling her you just want to be friends". Second one I could see working but it's not because she thinks deceitful men are attractive lol. The nice guy sounds like he would do fine if those things were in moderation. If you give a thoughtful s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/01/24 02:35 PM
–	Most girls are genuinely repelled by truly kind men, you have to have some degree of asshole in you or they will get bored Being shitty to people doesn't make them like you more lol. If you are nice but exhibit confidence, you aren't needy, aren't overly agreeable, you are being flirty so you aren't coming across platonically you will do about as well as you're going to do with women. There is a reason these descriptions of asshole behaviour are always things like "teasing" or "i hooked up without wanting a relationship". It's never genuinely assholish behaviour like insulting her or not tipping the waitress or like…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/01/24 02:18 PM
–	CMV: Bluepillers don't actually care about self improvement. Why are you posting irrelevant links? People do not go insane because they are single People do not need relationships	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/01/24 04:47 PM
1	Why do many women say age gap relationships have a "power imbalance" yet say nothing about wealth gap relationships? That’ll come as a surprise to my Japanese ex wife or the Vietnamese or Korean girls Japan and Korea are developed countries, not at all what we're talking about. Nobody cares if you meet your partner in Spain. Majority of people going to Vietnam, Ukraine, Philippines etc with the explicit purpose of finding a wife are doing so because they want to leverage their money and a k-1 visa. First, you are using the phrase “mail order bullshit” as a catch all weasel phrase that you can apply to any inte…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/01/24 01:10 PM
-1	CMV: Bluepillers don't actually care about self improvement. longer you remain in solitude Who said anything about solitude? It is part of Maslow's Hierarchy for a reason, and that reason is that it is a need. And despite that, it is not an actual need. There are nuns who forego romantic relationships and sex because they value their faith more, they end up just fine. You will just decay into insanity Nobody is going insane because they don't have a girlfriend lol That's not realistic at all, that's just denial. Something like 90% of people get married in…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/01/24 04:12 AM
-1	CMV: Bluepillers don't actually care about self improvement. Pair bonding and sex are human necessities Firstly, neither of these things are strictly necessary, you will not die if you never have a romantic relationship. Some people even prefer it that way. Secondly, you can still over value something that is valuable or even necessary. If I sold two kidneys in exchange for shelter, I would have been better off to just keep looking. Realistically, all types of people can find relationships. You can find a woman without making yourself unhappy. Odds are if…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/01/24 11:12 PM
-2	CMV: Bluepillers don't actually care about self improvement. What if the person I want to be is a person who is in a relationship? If that's what makes you happiest go for it. I think the issue is a lot of people over value relationships when they are on the outside looking in.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/01/24 03:31 PM
3	CMV: Bluepillers don't actually care about self improvement. Way easier to fix your looks then fix your personality ime. There's also a feedback loop where the more conscientious you are the easier it is to make lasting changes to your personality. I'm not sure someone who is very unconscientious is going to have much success changing their personality, they could do so in theory but I don't think they have the drive to do it. That's my personal theory though. In studies I've seen a long time ago, personality was very stable over time for everyone iirc.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/01/24 03:04 PM
2	Why do many women say age gap relationships have a "power imbalance" yet say nothing about wealth gap relationships? They are assuming a lack of education, intelligence and agency solely based on their race and country. The reason they think this is that every example of these types of relationships they have seen in both their personal lives and in media have had huge education and financial imbalances. Men who are successful with women don't do the mail order bullshit, there is no reason to and plenty of reasons not to. Just the immigration process alone is enough of a headache that simply dating within your…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/01/24 02:52 PM
4	Why are we glorifying doing normal adult things At a certain level of earnings your time becomes more valuable than money. At 200k where you live, your time probably isn't valuable enough to hire a maid.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/24 01:34 AM
1	The logical origin of the argument “he should have worn a condom” or “he should have kept it in his pants” is actually “she should have just been abstinent”. Why do makers of the former claims not understand the argument they are actually making? To be clear, the mother doesn't need to tell the father about the kid for a father to claim paternity. He just needs to know about it, could be as simple as checking her social media, or talking to a mutual friend or her parents. He just needs to put in the bare minimum effort to know he has a kid. You can also probably contest paternity after the child has been adopted out, I don't see why you wouldn't be able to. If a man doesn't even know about the kids he created that's his own fault. If he …	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/24 03:15 PM
2	The logical origin of the argument “he should have worn a condom” or “he should have kept it in his pants” is actually “she should have just been abstinent”. Why do makers of the former claims not understand the argument they are actually making? It's a woman's rights Firstly, there isn't really a difference in rights because a man can just submit an acknowledgement of paternity and get on the birth certificate. If he doesn't care enough to even know he has a kid on the way, that's on him. The family court can't keep track of his seed for him, that's an unrealistic expectation. Secondly, I'm willing to bet most men see the fact that they can be "left off" of the birth certificate as more of a privelege than a disadvantage. It enables mot…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/24 01:04 AM
1	Does the Destiny situation prove that redpill is right? https://youtube.com/shorts/3A2fTXsQRbU?si=X3WmhRm3YZ_FNi96 Has he said different than this?	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/24 10:23 PM
27	Does the Destiny situation prove that redpill is right? Was he really recommending the open relationship thing? I've only ever seen him say it wouldn't work for most people.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/24 10:15 PM
34	Does the Destiny situation prove that redpill is right? Nah, it was just this guy in particular since the guy his wife was seeing was doing abusive shit e.g. threatening to kill himself if Destiny's wife didnt leave Destiny, trying to isolate her from her friends outside of Sweden, spreading rumours etc. Dude was cancer so destiny just made her choose basically. He also realized through this whole thing that his wife was not a great partner to him, so regardless of what she chose he decided to leave. It was great drama, like a reality tv show on YouT…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/24 10:11 PM
4	The logical origin of the argument “he should have worn a condom” or “he should have kept it in his pants” is actually “she should have just been abstinent”. Why do makers of the former claims not understand the argument they are actually making? Women don't need a man to agree to anything they can put a baby up for adoption without ever even letting the man know he has a "cake". If he thinks it's his he can absolutely intervene, unless you're saying he doesn't even know she got pregnant or something in which case I don't think he cares? I don't see your point here, how is that a problem for men? No one is suggesting a paper abortion stops the cake from existing, unless you are pro abortion while being anti putting a kid up for adoption …	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/24 09:15 PM
2	The logical origin of the argument “he should have worn a condom” or “he should have kept it in his pants” is actually “she should have just been abstinent”. Why do makers of the former claims not understand the argument they are actually making? We believe a woman should be able to have as much sex as she wants and not have to be burdened with a child until she chooses to take that responsibility Yeah, and if she completes her role in the reproductive process she is shit out of luck, just like men. The difference was that women were being forced to carry fetuses until they were born, which meant they were being forced to complete their role in process even if they didn't want to. Men were never "forced" to do anything. With abortion, th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/24 08:54 PM
5	The logical origin of the argument “he should have worn a condom” or “he should have kept it in his pants” is actually “she should have just been abstinent”. Why do makers of the former claims not understand the argument they are actually making? Literally still ignoring adoption. Do you think once the abortion time has passed women shouldn't be allowed to give their kid up for adoption? Of course they should be able to adopt, they just can't do so unilaterally. Which is already true. I didn't respond to this because I don't understand how this conflicts with anything I have stated, honestly. You'll have to expound more. A woman has a choice at every single step of the way, it is only fair that men should have the same regardless if thei…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/24 08:37 PM
6	The logical origin of the argument “he should have worn a condom” or “he should have kept it in his pants” is actually “she should have just been abstinent”. Why do makers of the former claims not understand the argument they are actually making? At the end of the day pro abortion people think women should be able to have sex without being forced to deal with life long consequences from a mistake..... No they don't, if a woman has a baby she has to deal with the consequences of that baby. The pro-abortion side agrees with that statement, she can't unilaterally decide it's the father's problem. There is no "paper abortion" for women. We just don't think a woman should be forced to carry and nourish a fetus until it becomes a person. It's …	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/24 08:20 PM
2	The logical origin of the argument “he should have worn a condom” or “he should have kept it in his pants” is actually “she should have just been abstinent”. Why do makers of the former claims not understand the argument they are actually making? according to who? Biology? I'm just saying that while it's true she could have been abstinent, she could also have an abortion. A man can't, if he didn't want to reproduce he should have not had sex or wore a condom etc. A "paper abortion" isn't going to change that fact. It's a different situation, is what I'm saying. lmao as if abortions just pop out of thin air Abortions don't need to pop out of thin air, idk what the point of this is	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/24 07:44 PM
5	The logical origin of the argument “he should have worn a condom” or “he should have kept it in his pants” is actually “she should have just been abstinent”. Why do makers of the former claims not understand the argument they are actually making? I agree that "he should have worn condom" is the same argument as "she should have used protection", hence I support the idea of paper abortions as long as they protect both parties. It's not really the same argument because men and women have different roles in reproduction. It's more important for a man who doesn't want to reproduce to wear a condom than it is for a woman to practice abstinence because she can abort if she doesn't want to reproduce. hence I support the idea of paper abortions …	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/24 05:14 PM
2	Can advocates of casual sex propose it’s merits? He wouldn't like becoming a heroine addict. He would like being a person who regularly engages in casual sex. You're right that liking something isn't enough. However, liking something and not causing harm to others is enough justification.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/24 01:43 PM
1	Q4M: When it comes to “education around consent,” do you feel like boys and men “don’t understand consent” or that “they don’t care if they have consent”? Yeah and none of this is supported by any data I could find so idk how to respond to it other than to point out "playing doctor" is normal, doesn't cause lasting harm. Prepubescent children genuinely sexually assaulting people isnt a common or pressing issue based on anything I've read. It seems like child-on-child abuse becomes an issue when the child reaches puberty. If it happens with 5 year olds my guess would be it's more a result of poor parenting than anything else, children that young do…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/24 02:07 PM
1	Q4M: When it comes to “education around consent,” do you feel like boys and men “don’t understand consent” or that “they don’t care if they have consent”? Well whether or not they have negative feelings about it is going to depend on a lot of things like the specifics of the event, their upbringing, even the reactions of their parents at the time. I'm just pointing out that these kinds of experiences are normal, I think the majority of people have them, and I've never seen anything to suggest boys do it more.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/24 01:08 PM
-2	i’ve seen this idea tossed around that women are more susceptible than men to social trends - both genders are very susceptible to trends, let’s stop pretending its one sided You need to be able to buck a trend in order for a new trend to begin, sheep can only ever follow. Is this serious? You think corporations, that are profit maximizers, would not take the opportunity to introduce new products on a regular basis to... maximize profits? Businesses are not the herder. They don't decide "ok this year x product will be popular, next year y product will be popular". They try to predict future trends and do their best to influence trends where they can through marketing…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/24 02:51 AM
1	Q4M: When it comes to “education around consent,” do you feel like boys and men “don’t understand consent” or that “they don’t care if they have consent”? This daily mail article was specifically about children aged 10-17 by the way. On the topic though I don't think kids playing doctor and doing weird shit due to curiousity is particularly traumatic for children. I also don't believe it's gendered in the same way child-on-child sex crimes are gendered, I could be wrong about that though. I remember having my dick inspected and inspecting the vagina of the neighbours kid my mom would babysit, it wasn't traumatic. For me it was funny memory because…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/24 01:59 AM
1	i’ve seen this idea tossed around that women are more susceptible than men to social trends - both genders are very susceptible to trends, let’s stop pretending its one sided Men are still chasing the current trend, the trend just hasn't changed in a while. How often the trends change isn't relevant to how "herd-like" a group is, what matters is how influenced individuals in the group are by the current trends. The best way to see how herd-like a group is is to look at the diversity that exists at a given point in time. Everyone in the group doing or thinking the same thing is more herd-like than a group where everyone is doing and thinking different things. That is …	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/24 12:48 AM
9	i’ve seen this idea tossed around that women are more susceptible than men to social trends - both genders are very susceptible to trends, let’s stop pretending its one sided I generally agree with you but this is the one of the worst examples Go to any store and you will see women's choices in almost double the number of men. Fashion is one of the areas men conform to group norms the most, you point it out yourself here, men are all wearing the same things.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/24 07:28 PM
1	CMV: Dating for most men gets easier at 30 because they lack the sexual experience to realise , women's standards and desires for a relationship, marriage shift out of necessity. Most men start dating their future spouse in their 20s, median age of marriage is like 30. The men who are single in their 30s are the left overs or divorced, typically dating women over 30 as well. Older they get the more this is true.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/24 01:53 PM
8	CMV: Dating for most men gets easier at 30 because they lack the sexual experience to realise , women's standards and desires for a relationship, marriage shift out of necessity. It's a debate subreddit, what do you think we're here to do?	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/24 01:25 PM
1	Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy. It's the same standard, the anatomy is just different. Either a man should have the right to not go through with a pregnancy he did not intend to have or none of them should. How does he "not go through with the pregnancy"? That's like a woman "not going through with the pregnancy" when the baby is 2 years old lol. It doesn't make any sense. He already decided to go through with the pregnancy when he decided to go through with his role in the process. While she's pregnant he's already gone throu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/24 11:05 PM
1	Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy. He never consented to that when having sex, especially if he took preventative measures to not have a child. You don't have to consent to take responsibility for the consequences of your own actions. if I get in a car accident and it's my fault then I have to pay for it. 18 years is a lot but you literally created a kid with another person, that's on both of you. It is a double standard that women can force a man to have a child when he very clearly does not want the child but it is somehow "ant…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/24 07:52 PM
1	Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy. Funny how this only works when talking about men though. When it's said to a women all of a sudden it's being anti choice or something. It already does work both ways. One of things women can stop doing if they don't want kids is to stop providing nutrients and shelter to a fetus. Unfortunately in some places they are not legally allowed to stop providing those things, so they have no choice in the matter and are forced to reproduce. Which is why I am pro-choice, I think that's fucked up. Can yo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/24 06:41 PM
1	Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy. Yeah but only one gender can decide if that child is born. Last I checked, we are a sexually reproductive species. It takes two people to have kids believe it or not. There are things that a man needs to do to make it happen, if you don't want want kids just stop doing those things. If the women lied about being on birth control or the condom broke These are risks you chose to take. If a woman is like raping you or something I agree it's not your fault, and you shouldn't be held responsible. But…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/24 05:59 PM
7	People here exaggerate the hate that age gap relationships get. If you're so sensitive that a few comments get you then don't be in an age gap relationship I think it's a bad idea, you're in two completely different places in life. What if she decides to do a PhD out of state? What if what she's looking for in men changes as she matures? It's a pretty transient stage in life. I think it's good not to rush settling down, date different kinds of people as you figure out what you're in to. People who marry young tend to divorce for a reason, and an older guy is going to be looking to settle down usually.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/24 05:38 PM
1	Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy. Being pro-choice is about creating the child in the first place. You can not have reproduced and still raise a child. You can reproduce and not raise the child (e.g. adoption). Reproductive rights and parental rights are different things. Nobody can force a man to reproduce, we have our role in the process and we can decide whether or not we want to complete it. If we engage in risky behaviours that may cause us to complete our role we are at fault for that, we had the choice to not engage in th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/24 03:47 PM
–	Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy. Opting out of being a father has absolutely nothing to do with being "pro-choice". You can be pro-deadbeat dad or something, that's up to you, but it's got nothing to do with being pro-choice or pro-choice arguments broadly.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/24 03:27 PM
–	Debate A Man should be allowed to opt out being a father if he says it enough early in a pregnancy. That's all that needs to be said. If you want to say, "I'm pro-choice except bla bla bla arbitrary moral exceptions," you're not pro-choice. If that's the standard nobody is "pro-choice". When people talk about being "pro-choice" they don't mean the choice to bomb a daycare or the choice to be a dead beat dad without consequences lol. They don't mean literally every choice is permissible. It's refering specifically to the choice to have a baby, which men already have. We can just decide not to c…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/24 03:20 PM
–	How do shy/passive women experience being in a relationship with a man? It's not a double standard unless she is dating shy women but ignoring shy men or something. It's also not hypocritical either, since she isn't making a moral judgement against shy men. She is just stating she wants her boyfriend to not be shy, the same way she wants her doctor to have a medical license even if she doesn't have a medical license. The standard is attached to the role, if she isn't dating herself she doesn't need to meet the standard, she needs to meet her boyfriends' standards.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/24 05:15 PM
5	Women suffer from oneitis at least as much as men in my experience women view men like trophies or statues You mean like a trophy wife? Lol. Some men do this, some women do this, it's not really a gendered thing. If I were to guess it's more common amongst men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/23 04:24 PM
3	Women give bad dating advice for Men He's a socially stunted shut-in by his own admission, mixed gender social hobbies like dancing will help him regardless of whether or not he happens to meet a woman who wants to date him.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/23 01:41 PM
1	Is it common to look up the salary of your date's job? If you're going to assert your opinion as fact you have to post a link to something to substantiate it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/12/23 04:07 PM
2	Guy asks girl who switches up the deal to leave. Subreddit goes wild. Lack of tactfulness doesn't equal rude. It literally does, you can look this up, but no need to argue semantics. Can that hurt someone feelings. Yes. Does that make him rude. Nope. Yes, being inconsiderate makes you rude. There are rude and polite ways to tell guests you want them to leave. There are plenty of lists out there on the internet if you need ideas. Telling them to leave if they are not going to have sex with you is probably not going to be on that list.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/23 05:27 PM
–	Guy asks girl who switches up the deal to leave. Subreddit goes wild. You can be rude to people who aren't your friend. You can be rude to complete strangers. I don't get how that's relevant. They don't have to be tactful, nor are they morally obligated. This goes for men and women. Yeah and we are within our rights to call him an asshole for being tactless. You can be rude to people if you want, you just won't be a well liked person.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/23 04:36 PM
–	Guy asks girl who switches up the deal to leave. Subreddit goes wild. You have to be tactful, that's part of social decorum. If you have a friend over and after an hour you say "I'm bored, leave" you're going to come off as an asshole even if you're just being honest.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/23 04:19 PM
–	Guy asks girl who switches up the deal to leave. Subreddit goes wild. Maybe I read your comment too literally. I thought you meant a physical fight lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/23 04:12 PM
–	Guy asks girl who switches up the deal to leave. Subreddit goes wild. If it happened exactly has OP wrote it, then it's kind of rude. Not the rudest thing he could have done but pretty rude. Neutral would have been to read to room, saw sex was off the table (and the FWB is probably over as well) and then just say "it's getting late, I have some stuff to do before bed" and take if from there. Good would have been to offer to take her home, or pay for her ride.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/23 04:06 PM
–	Guy asks girl who switches up the deal to leave. Subreddit goes wild. Why would you fight someone for asking you to leave their house late at night, absolutely unhinged.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/23 03:56 PM
1	“Nothing is more unattractive to women than low self confidence” Negging works by lowering someone's self esteem so they think they are lucky to be dating a particular guy e.g. saying "I normally don't date larger women but I'm glad I gave this a shot". The idea is you know they are insecure about their weight, so you subtly bring attention to it while also maintaining moderate interest. A comment like that makes them feel like you are socially/romantically more desirable than them, drawing attention to her weight reminds her of that insecurity. Also since he…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/12/23 06:09 PM
0	“Nothing is more unattractive to women than low self confidence” Sure, that's what he meant...come off it. I mean that would be a "literal reading" of what he said. I think they probably meant it in a more generalized way, understanding the dynamic of their friendship (or bond) and having fun with it. Which is what my second example would be an example of. Even if he meant it in the narrow interpretation there's lots of way you can question the bond between people in a joking way. State a tactic that is designed to manipulate the receiver into being more rece…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/12/23 05:19 PM
-2	“Nothing is more unattractive to women than low self confidence” He might mean, for example, teasing that they might be more than just friends. Is the bond really just plantonic? Etc. But generally the idea is to have more buy in to her group of friends. You want them to like you and think you're funny and nice, it's social proof. You might be talking to a group of girls, pick up that fact one of them is the silly one, that's kind of her character in the group. After she does something silly you might joke that she is the "brains of the group" or something sa…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/12/23 04:39 PM
1	“Nothing is more unattractive to women than low self confidence” You missed the word "playfully", what are you imagining he is saying to these women? The purpose isnt to mess with their friendship, what a weird reading.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/12/23 04:22 PM
0	“Nothing is more unattractive to women than low self confidence” or it's just teasing	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/12/23 04:04 PM
2	Makeup plays an enormous role in women’s upper hand and allows them to play several leagues up, many of them look unrecognizable without it. Why don't men share themselves in the same way? I was going to say laziness but I actually think if there were decent aesthetics that could be achieved with makeup more men would do it. I've been seeing more concealer products aimed at men for example. perpetuate the idea of makeup as feminine and desireable. I would agree with the sentiment that makeup shouldn't feel mandatory to women, and I know it does in some areas and in some professions. At the same time, makeup does make women look good,…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/12/23 05:02 AM
3	Makeup plays an enormous role in women’s upper hand and allows them to play several leagues up, many of them look unrecognizable without it. Its used to make skin look healthier, lashes and brows thicker and other signifiers of biological viability and aesthetic appeal. Yes but it's also for expression, the same way clothes keep you warm and modest but are also for expression. At it's core make up is used to make your face look good. There are objective aspects to it sure but there is plenty of subjectivity as to what makeup "looks the best", even on the same person. There are tons of products, techniques, pallets etc. makeup is very…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/12/23 04:39 AM
10	Makeup plays an enormous role in women’s upper hand and allows them to play several leagues up, many of them look unrecognizable without it. when all it is is a sign of someone uncomfortable with and incapable of sharing themselves Makeup is just another form of self expression, it's like styling your hair. The makeup she wears, how she wears it, if she chooses not to wear it etc are all her sharing a part of herself with the world.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/23 06:00 PM
5	The red pill men on youtube have 30 and 40 YEAR OLD WOMEN terrified of aging. Can we please normalize older women being just as beautiful as the 20 something year olds Dual income no kids is pretty economical, the costs of marriage are really the kids which should have a seperate cost benefit analysis.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/12/23 03:24 AM
15	"Never compare yourself to her ex" but she definitely will I don't mean this as an insult, but this reads like someone who's never had sex before. As a bisexual man who's fucked both men and women, I can say with certainty quality of sex HEAVILY relies on the performance of the person you're having sex with. Bad sex can range from awkward, boring to downright painful if a partner isn't "good". If you're in a relationship and your partner is continually having bad sex then yeah it's 100% your own fault. Open your mouth, communicate, or leave. If you don'…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/11/23 03:09 PM
1	Just rewatched Forrest Gump and it made me think about dating a lot Obviously it's a movie so I dont want to argue about it too much, but I think it's pretty instructive that we need to discuss the legality of his consent. It's like a guy saying "sure she's 16 but it's legal in my country". I think she needed way more affirmative consent than what she got. If I took a borderline intellectually disabled pretty college girl back to my apartment, and asked her if she had ever been with a guy before and she responds "yeah I sit next to them in class all the time" I …	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/11/23 04:15 PM
1	Just rewatched Forrest Gump and it made me think about dating a lot By fucking him? Well the guy did have 75 IQ, it is kind of weird when you think about it. This scene for instance. I probably wouldn't go as far as to say she sexually assaulted him, I'd have to think about it I guess, but it's certainly weird.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/11/23 05:23 AM
1	CMV Men that date Single Moms, will always be seen as Cucks/suckers by other Men, and Women need to understand this. Weird no one is talking about this, a lot of people with kids date other people with kids. I don't know the numbers but I'd say most single mothers are dating men who already have children. They are not perceived as "cucks".	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/11/23 03:52 PM
1	Wanting men to communicate their needs / open up / be 'vulnerable' OR stop putting women in the position of being 'emotional servants'? Which is it? If you have any mental disorder or illness (or really any chronic illness especially if it's genetic) I think telling your partner is probably necessary. I think talking about stuff with friends/family can "feel good" similar to an angry person slamming cupboards can feel relieving. But it never actually solves the issue, and if you do it enough it will drive people away from you. If a person's trauma is so bad that they can't deal with it by themselves internally, the solution is to see a thera…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/11/23 01:56 PM
2	Wanting men to communicate their needs / open up / be 'vulnerable' OR stop putting women in the position of being 'emotional servants'? Which is it? You can do all this without ever talking about your negative emotions or "opening up" to another person. Personally the more I have learned to regulate my emotions the less I even want to talk about insecurities, trauma etc with other people because it needlessly burdens them with problems they can't do anything about.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/11/23 01:35 AM
3	Passport bros seems like a lot of work. Are things really that dire? He also was married and cheated on his wife	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/11/23 02:26 PM
2	Men don’t put in the effort yet they complain about their lack of dating success It's probably due in part to people being more antisocial but I think some of it is in person interactions just become online interactions. Like you might meet a girl at a hobby or social event, have a nice chat, later find her on Instagram, talk to her there for a bit and ask her to hang out. You are asking her for a date online but met in person, I think stuff like that is more common nowadays but I don't know the numbers. In general people are a lot more "online" with the line between "online…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/10/23 12:32 PM
2	Misandry and Misogyny fuel each other Girls can finish puberty as young as 12. Maybe there are some edge cases of 12 year olds looking like adults, I haven't seen that personally but maybe it exists, generally 12-16 year olds are still in development. Looking it up people generally reach physical maturity around 17. Okay, and saying 16 year olds are attractive is weird because they still look like 16 year olds. Well yeah, I don't think anyone disagrees with that, generally 16 year olds are still in development. 18 year olds look sex…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/10/23 09:08 PM
2	Misandry and Misogyny fuel each other 14 year olds are still developing their adult features, if there is some hypothetical 14 year old that looks identical to an adult then finding her physically attractive would be normal. Obviously you wouldn't pursue her for other reasons. Just like there's that one chick on the reality TV show that stopped developing at 8 years old, saying she is physically attractive is still weird even if she is like 30 because she physically looks like an 8 year old.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/10/23 07:36 PM
3	Misandry and Misogyny fuel each other uncontrollable attraction to 18 year olds magically disappears at 17 and 364 days. Normally people who are attracted to 18 year olds are attracted to their adult features. E.g. developed breasts, wide shoulders for men, etc etc. 18 year olds don't look that much different from 21 year olds, which is why we need to ask for IDs for things.18 year olds that look like children are not attractive to men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/10/23 06:34 PM
0	CMV: if you feel it’s fine to ask your wife for a paternity test without cause, you should also be fine with a wife choosing to live outside the home for fear you might kill her. Some form of rape kit would be more analogous since it's more quantitative I would think.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/10/23 12:22 PM
13	CMV: if you feel it’s fine to ask your wife for a paternity test without cause, you should also be fine with a wife choosing to live outside the home for fear you might kill her. Why would you ever marry someone who has such a low opinion of you. If your wife left you alone with the kid for a weekend and as soon as she got back she took the kid to get screened for sexual assault "just to verify" that wouldn't bother you at all?	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/10/23 03:42 AM
5	Men are told to "touch grass" and "talk to women" but if they fumble they get to be creep shamed on social media Instagram	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/10/23 12:53 AM
6	What do you think about the moms who refuse DNA paternity testing? Would you refuse one yourself and if so what would be your reason or reasons? It's just very weird to pay child support when you're in a relationship, wouldn't you have a shared account for those types of expenses? to their child while on child support than they do when they're still in a relationship with the mom. I thought the issue was about paying for a child you never get to see but now that I think about it the complaint is usually just about money. Which does make me wonder if guys who complain about "divorce rape" do pay less than child support for their children …	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/10/23 12:17 PM
1	That video of the clerk being hit on by clueless guy Most people do not do this to people and have never done this to people, no lol. This isn't just having no rizz this guy is socially retarded. There is some fraction of people who are socially oblivious, but they were always that way and usually always will be.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/10/23 10:44 PM
8	That video of the clerk being hit on by clueless guy It's creepy because she's clearly not interested. If she was smiling along and engaging at all it wouldn't be so cringe/creepy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/10/23 10:14 PM
2	Why is the average person so bitterly insecure and what (if anything) can be done about it? because if a man tell a woman she's fat he's a jackass if a woman tells a woman she's fat she's just a honest bitch .. There are ways to tell people you think they need to/should lose weight without coming off as a jackass. That is, if you actually care about the person youre talking to and aren't just trying to be mean.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/10/23 01:54 PM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread It's impossible to really compare experiences between people. I remember I used to think I just had really good metabolism because I could eat anything and would never gain weight. Then when I started working out and counting calories I realized it wasn't that I could eat anything, I just never really ate that much at all and would skip meals constantly. I wonder if my baseline appetite was even lower than what people achieve on ozempic.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/10/23 02:21 AM
1	Most guys who struggle in dating struggle because they don't have a social life. I think it's implied that you need to be social in mixed groups. It's like the common advice for making friends is "pick up a hobby" but obviously you aren't going to meet someone playing piano in your living room, it's implied you choose a social hobby.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/10/23 11:26 PM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread First comment in the chain: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/179b2jx/about_looks_and_physical_attraction/k552x64/ It's an actual novel	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/10/23 09:02 PM
1	Single mothers lie about having raised their standards after having a baby? Could be an older dude with kids of his own from another relationship.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/10/23 12:43 PM
2	What's the competion between women for men like ? Unbelievable rizz	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/10/23 01:41 AM
2	Hypergamy mean most men will forever be undesirable. For an individual woman yes but collectively you can have like 20% of women saying yes 80% saying no. Also that 80% might not have higher standards just different standards. Another guy might be attractive to 15% of women but most of the women who liked the second guy do not like the first guy (maybe only 5% of women like the first guy and the second guy simultaneously) despite the first guy having more widespread appeal overall.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/10/23 01:18 PM
33	This explains a lot: Majority of Women declined sex due to body insecurities, dating app finds Another interesting thing from this pure survey is that 19% of people have backed out of sex after seeing their partners body due to it's size or shape. Is that surprisingly high to anyone else? I don't do casual sex but it feels like it would be really mean to dip because their body is ugly. Overall 22% of women have left after their partner gets naked and 36% of men have. In the gender break down question they don't state the reason (so it could be for other reasons then their body shape) but …	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/10/23 12:59 PM
1	N COUNTS WEEKLY DISCUSSION THREAD I guess there are different types of inhibitions but this is pretty low inhib behaviour. Ussually if you are high inhib you will avoid putting out embarrassing information so freely like that, low inhib people are more impulsive and will speak without thinking about how it makes them look. The biggest issue with high inhib people is that they are boring, but inhibitions are actually good in a lot of cases. Medium inhib is always the best.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/10/23 03:25 AM
1	N COUNTS WEEKLY DISCUSSION THREAD I guess there are different types of inhibitions but this is pretty low inhib behaviour. Ussually if you are high inhib you will avoid putting out embarrassing information so freely like that, low inhib people are more impulsive and will speak without thinking about how it makes them look. The biggest issue with high inhib people is that they are boring, but inhibitions are actually good in a lot of cases. Medium inhib is always the best.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/10/23 03:25 AM
2	sex toys I'd think it's weird sure, I think using strokers is weird (though not as weird) too but nothing wrong with being weird. If you're just saying it's weirder than fine, I thought you were saying it's more objectifying or something. I think the furry-style thing might be a bit more concerning though for other reasons but that's another topic	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/10/23 11:49 PM
3	sex toys There a differences (cost, size, etc), I don't get why the differences matter. I see a lot of complaints about how they are objectifying or reflect how the buyer views women as objects but I don't really understand that. It's not a replacement for a woman, it's used like a sex toy where you take it out, use it, clean it, put it back. I'm not sure why using one would be an issue but using the regular sex toys would not be. My best guess is that it's just a vibe thing where it looks too close to a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/10/23 09:12 PM
3	sex toys Realistic sex dolls, for men or women, aren't in that category. I never understood that distinction, they're all just sex toys to me.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/10/23 12:26 PM
3	On this sub, which gender do you think offers more pushback against the arguments made by their own gender? Men, that's pretty expected though since people who identify with the red pill are overwhelmingly male	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/10/23 12:24 AM
14	The "manosphere" built an entire reality to dodge accountability and give up Even their self improvement is framed through the lense of a victim mentality though, which in a way is dodging accountability. The whole "men are human doings, women are human beings" type shit. Even the concept of a "red pill" is born out of the idea that men are the victims of dishonesty and that society is lying to men. They never stop to think maybe it's their own fault they didn't realize fit men are more attractive than fat men before reaching adulthood like the rest of us. Everything the…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/10/23 02:29 PM
–	Does feminism create MGTOW mindset in well meaning men? Why would the messaging of a conservative tabloid be indicative of how feminists would want to approach this topic? What is this if not just trying to damage boys mental health? It's shocking to sell papers to the paper's conservative audience. They've presumed their audience will be opposed to the DV lessons, so this cover will upset them and motivate them to learn more. It obviously left an impression on you if you linked it when it's a month old, it must have sold a lot of papers.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/10/23 01:29 PM
5	It seems like American women under 30 are increasingly splitting into two major categories (with some outliers, of course) The easiest way to tell who is in your league is to just go out and date. If the only women you can attract are overweight then that is your league, it's really that simple.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/10/23 12:11 PM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread because if she acts up like this you're stuck. She was probably behaving the same way when she was dating him, theres no reason to think this was a bait and switch. Dude just married a woman who isn't comfortable with sex. If he wanted someone different he should have dated someone different.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/10/23 07:49 PM
0	Men don't hate promiscuous women It's probably the most common gender-specific insult towards men tbf, there just aren't that many gender specific insults for men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/10/23 06:23 PM
4	Men on this sub need to understand that actually being attractive to women is more important than finding the right place to approach. You should still care what women think, specifically the women you approach. You should be able to tell if you're making people uncomfortable, annoyed, etc and adjust your behaviour accordingly. Letting her "worry about how to react is" fine unless you're getting the same negative reaction consistently, at that point you're just being an ass.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/10/23 06:17 PM
1	As long as men are way hornier than women, none of this will change. The only solution to the current disaster is a pill that safely lowers testosterone/DHT and subdues the male sex drive, leveling the playing field. I researched FIN a lot before getting on because of the “risks” and concluded myself the above explains why some men get it. Why don't you just post the study you read which logs data such as body composition, basic diet, hormone profile etc and indicates that libido loss is only a problem for overweight people.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/10/23 01:06 PM
4	How would you design an online dating app to make it a good experience for both men and women? Yeah a minority of women could be looking for a FWB but most want a relationship. On average though men feel they benefit more from OLD, which is why more men use it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/23 12:34 PM
4	How would you design an online dating app to make it a good experience for both men and women? I didn't say finding a boyfriend. Ok so the app is is good for women who don't want a relationship. Which is a minority of women. So for most women, e.g. women who want a relationship, the app is worse than it is for men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/23 12:23 PM
7	How would you design an online dating app to make it a good experience for both men and women? If she's finding a boyfriend within 2 months he's deleting his app as well. This isn't causing the skewed gender ratio. The question is, why are there less women on the app? And the answer must be because it's not better than the alternatives, but for men it is better than the alternatives.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/23 12:13 PM
9	How would you design an online dating app to make it a good experience for both men and women? If women thought dating apps were good for them, more women would use them. As bad as dating apps are for men, they are worse for women, atleast relative to alternatives.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/23 11:57 AM
4	How would you design an online dating app to make it a good experience for both men and women? men can only get a maximum amount of likes per day, once that amount of likes has been reached, they are invisible until next day But then the best men would be invisible to most women. Women are going to think the men on this app are lower quality than on other apps that don't do this. Therefore even less women will use this app when OLD is already very imbalanced.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/23 11:55 AM
1	Guys can meet women pretty much anywhere. There are ways you can approach women that are more likely to make her uncomfortable and ways that are less likely. You don't need to abandon approaching completely if you don't want to, just don't be a douche about it. Can't trust a woman's advice on women because they don't actually know how to attract women. They aren't telling you this because they think not approaching will get you laid more lol.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/23 01:36 AM
2	Does tattoos increase men SMV to high quality girls? I'm not sure since I don't have them myself. Generally polarizing stuff is good as long as you're being genuine with it. Having a smaller pool that is more compatible with you is better than a larger pool that is more random. But I'm not sure how polarizing tattoos even are nowadays. I just know that women with tattoos strongly prefer men with tattoos, especially if she has a lot, just from personal experience.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/10/23 02:33 AM
12	Does tattoos increase men SMV to high quality girls? "Higher quality" is subjective, you'll attract different women depending on the types, amounts and style of the tattoos. If you like women with lots of tattoos, having lots of tattoos yourself is going to help.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/10/23 01:44 AM
11	This video proves what a lot of guys complain about is real. I would take that bet and you would lose for sure because she isn't more attractive than 95% of men/women, that would put her in the realm of a super model. The messages to her are not randomly distributed, Brad Pitt doesn't have the same likelihood of being in her DMs as some average joe coomer. Being in the top 1/20 is not super model tier either, she could be in the top 5% I haven't seen the rest of her. She easily is if you include all women above 18, I can say that without seeing the rest o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/09/23 07:02 PM
17	This video proves what a lot of guys complain about is real. In reality we know 95% of those messages are men who are looking for sex and nothing more, I'm willing to bet 95% of those guys are significantly less attractive than her and would gladly date her.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/09/23 06:04 PM
1	Q4A: Male loneliness, what is it to you? It's not fake, it's just not different from any other form of being considerate that men are more likely to engage with. At the end of the day the snickers doesn't really matter, what matters is they know you're there for them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/09/23 02:41 PM
1	Q4A: Male loneliness, what is it to you? I have the opposite experience. Every man I know absolutely cares about these things and they even notice when you don’t do it I personally don't, I can't speak for all men obviously, I don't think my male friends do either. Women are same. Reminiscing on good times brings fuzzy feelings for us too. Yeah of course, I didn't mean to imply women don't value these things, I just think these are solely what's important to men. Experience we've had with people. Idk I have a feeling if women woke up t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/09/23 01:48 PM
2	Q4A: Male loneliness, what is it to you? What many guys don’t seem understand is that intentionally caring about things like that is relational consideration and it is exactly how warm tingly bonds (feels) are cultivated. Women absolutely work like this, I learned this through my first girlfriend and it's been true throughout, just remembering small details for whatever reason really makes them feel loved. I don't think men work like this, atleast I don't. I don't know about children, when I was a kid I probably cared even less than I …	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/09/23 12:55 PM
2	How do you explain most young women being in relationships? Their point is that the majority of that 18.8% are have a gap betweem 6 and 9 years, which makes the probablity that they are both in the under 30 cohort greater. Even then though it's misleading since the majority of young women aren't married, and older couples tend to have larger age gaps, the actual % of young women with a 6+ year age gap is going to be lower than this.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/09/23 12:33 AM
21	Q4All: What's the biggest lie you were told about the opposite gender that you discovered was not true as you got older? Ime a lot of shy women actually prefer outgoing partners because they can bring them out of their shell a bit, introduce them to new people. A lot of shy people don't actually want to be shy, they just feel overly anxious and self conscious. Having a guy who can break the ice and make things less awkward enables them to enjoy a night out more.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/23 02:23 AM
1	CMV : If you’re the guy she had to lower her “unrealistic” standards for the you’re forever on thin ice There's other categories not listed here, the full survey results are published every year on the bureau of labour statistics website. Here is 2022's results: https://www.bls.gov/news.release/atus.toc.htm Stuff like personal care, volunteering, religious activities, sleeping, telephone etc. arent classified as work or leisure here nor (I think) in Pew's analysis of the ATUS survey that I linked.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/23 10:57 PM
3	CMV : If you’re the guy she had to lower her “unrealistic” standards for the you’re forever on thin ice If that's true then the problem isn't actually the slacking, it's whatever is causing the slacking. It's like frequency of sex, its going to be highest early in the marriage and will drop off if the marriage is headed to divorce, but that doesn't mean the divorce was caused by lack of sex. There's probably some underlying issue that made sex drop off, just like there's probably some underlying issue that made one partner stop caring enough to put the work in.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/23 11:41 AM
7	CMV : If you’re the guy she had to lower her “unrealistic” standards for the you’re forever on thin ice My understanding is men and women work about the same amount of hours when you add domestic and professional labour, based on the american time use survey	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/23 02:20 AM
10	CMV: Red pill views of family law (divorce, custody, child support) have little to no basis in reality men have seen their own fathers,uncles,brothers go through hell in divorces and not to mention child support, and men have no reason to take that huge of a risk. And men have also seen mothers, sisters and aunts raising kids on their own and struggling to do so. Divorce sucks for everyone involved, it's not financially beneficial for anybody, it's not good for the kids, and honestly it must be embarrassing. But women are typically also are burdened with raising a kid on their own, getting child …	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/23 07:20 PM
7	What do guys do if they want virgin women but cannot get them? At minimum it works just as well as complaining	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/23 01:51 AM
7	What do guys do if they want virgin women but cannot get them? Changing strategy and/or self improvement would be the other options.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/23 11:16 PM
3	Are people who are against age gap relationships expect men to be casanovas? They are uncommon, as I said it's like 18.8% of marriages have a gap of 6+years with the husband being older according the the US population survey. It's not rare or anything, but it is not the norm. There's this idea in the redpill that men age like wine and I think it gets taken way too far, and that leads to bad advice that's why I point it out. There's this idea that men peak in their mid 30s and women peak in their early 20s. But 35 year old man trying to attract a 22 year old woman is not …	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/09/23 09:43 PM
3	Are people who are against age gap relationships expect men to be casanovas? “We don’t like older men” when 30% of marriages are 5+ year age gaps with the guy being older. It's still a sizeable amount but the 2017 US population survey has it at 18.8% of marriages. We also know it's more common for age gaps to occur in second marriages when people are older, so the number for first marriages is actually like 15% per that pew research survey on first and second marriage age gaps. I think everyone with a blue flair understands women are not a monolith, that's why we argue a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/09/23 11:56 AM
1	Women admitting the crushing reality for most men in dating, would not change anything This applies to men. For every 10,000 men I deal with maybe 100 don’t suck Maybe in some global sense but they aren't randomly distributed. Super easy to find and attract a good man if you are a good woman yourself. If it's not easy then either you need to work on yourself or there's something wrong with the way you meet people. But it sounds like it's easy for your too since you aren't "struggling" so I guess I just dont understand the point of your comment.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/09/23 12:15 PM
1	Women admitting the crushing reality for most men in dating, would not change anything There are plenty of great guys to go around, if you're struggling to attract one you should look inward rather than blaming the dating pool.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/09/23 12:53 PM
3	you aren’t forced to date anyone you’re not attracted to. Because that's literally how the league-concept of dating work. It's based on top percentile within your gender. It's not, it's based on who you can attract. If you can't attract a woman of a certain calibre, you're not in that league. If someone says "she's out of your league" they mean "she can and will choose better men over you". They don't mean "you're in the top 80th percentile of men and she is in the top 90th percentile of women, which means you may or may not have a chance based on curr…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/09/23 05:40 PM
5	you aren’t forced to date anyone you’re not attracted to. Why is the 50th percentile man in the same "league" as the 50th percentile woman? Your league is just the best partner you can get under normal circumstances. If you have 0 chance with a woman and she's fucking and dating guys who are more attractive than you then it's bizzare to say she's "in your league". As you mention, you are not just competing with other men but all other opportunities a woman has other than dating you. Yeah there are probably some dudes who are struggling to compete again…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/09/23 04:25 PM
9	you aren’t forced to date anyone you’re not attracted to. They are able to find a partner, they would just need to lower their standards to the point where they are competitive with a woman simply being alone. If a dude adds so little a woman's life she would rather just get a cat, and she adds enough to his that he is actively pursuing her, it seems there's a mismatch in value. If they go for lower value women they will eventually find one that is interested in them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/09/23 12:40 PM
7	you aren’t forced to date anyone you’re not attracted to. Even if most women were engaging in polygyny (they aren't), that wouldn't mean they are "dating up", she's still getting what she's worth. A woman choosing between monogamy and polygyny is like choosing between a new car and a 10 year old used car. Yeah you can get the better brand of car if you get the used car but at the end of the day if your budget is the same you are getting the same value of car. The used car might be a bigger but it's going to be missing new tech features, like how the gu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/09/23 02:40 AM
19	you aren’t forced to date anyone you’re not attracted to. It's just that women ignore them. The women they think they deserve ignore them, not the women on their level. The market determines your value, if you can't find someone you want who wants you, you're trying to date out of your league. You can see ugly/short/broke dudes with girlfriends all the time going to common places like Walmart, their girls are just equally undesirable. Don't get it twisted there's a certain group coughs that has unrealistic expectations but people cough won't acknowledg…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/09/23 01:30 AM
2	What’s the reason women as a group in general seem much more angry about guys playing video games than guys being drug addicts, alcoholics and criminals? Women who play games don't always use their mic, so they know how men are treated. The issue is the frequency and directedness of it. I don't care if someone says I'm "gay" or something because I'm not gay, it also doesn't happen everytime I speak on the mic. It's not like when they realize I am a man or something they start attacking me or treating me different from how I was being treated before. Usually when I get "harassed" it's because we had a disagreement or performance in game, it's not …	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/09/23 12:40 AM
5	Have you ever felt that by not having children you are non fulfilling your biological duty? Is the purpose of the earth to orbit around the sun or is that just something it does under the right conditions? Seems weird to ascribe a purpose to nature, unless you are religious and believe in intelligent design of some kind.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/09/23 11:35 PM
1	How do you feel about society making men "obligated" to lead a relationship (asking a girl out, initiating the first kiss, proposing, etc)? If you aren't confident enough to ask a woman out/initiate things, you probably aren't confident enough to gain or maintain her interest anyway. I think if the expectation that men intiate didn't exist there would just be a lot more dates that go nowhere.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/09/23 10:28 PM
2	Where do you think this new push to call men pedos for being attracted to 18-24 year olds is coming from? She wasn't talking about the "treat women like adults" thing, that's obvious to anyone that isn't "red pill". We used to have debates on this lol, but I think red pill has quietly backed away from most of its actually novel and contentious ideas at this point.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/09/23 12:39 PM
8	Has the pendulum swung to far? Overweight? Don’t change a thing. You are sexy and a BBW. Worst example. You have never seen any social pressure for women to change the way they look? You realize the reason there the whole body positivity movement is for women is because men don't need it right? Far more women are insecure about their appearance, having eating disorders, etc. People care far less about male appearance. They are far more likely to be bullied or discriminated against for their appearance. A lot of the men here c…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/09/23 12:45 PM
2	CMV: average people are attracted to other average people and above Just link the data my dude, nobody wants to watch an editorialized video. We have no idea what is being left out or misrepresented, it also takes people 5 minutes in video to say something I can read in a minute.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/23 11:43 AM
1	Why Should Men Get Married? We don't even know if in this story if the boyfriend wanted his inheritance to go to his sister, I'm willing to bet you'd get different answers if you asked different people. Generally your wife getting the bulk of your inheritance by default is a good thing, idk why you would want it to be a sibling or someone you didn't get to choose. Best to just get a will written if you want to control what happens to your belongs when you die. It's also not the case in all jurisdictions that your common la…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/08/23 11:58 PM
4	Being shy or a little introverted can be considered an endearing trait in women, but is usually a very unattractive one for men Shy people aren't necessarily the same as "homebodies" either though there might be some correlation I'm not sure. Idk what point 3 has to do with being shy, it makes sense they want someone who shares their interests. Being shy is just being nervous/anxious in social situations. A shy person is unattractive for the same reason confident people are attractive, they are just opposites of eachother. Yes women get away with it more but they also get shit for being agressive or dominant in ways that…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/08/23 12:32 PM
1	High value men do not want 21 year old's This post was specifically about when women reach their "peak value" which seems to be in their early to mid 30s since the highest value men are choosing these women more often than any other age group. Any of the guys I mentioned could have been with a woman in early 20s if they wanted. the gap is still huge more often than not Depends what you mean by "huge", the gaps are bigger than the rest of the population though sure. And like it was mentioned earlier, just because these guys don’t get ca…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/08/23 06:25 PM
1	High value men do not want 21 year old's Paige Butcher was in her 30s when she married Eddie Murphy. Same with Amber Heard, the last time Johnny Depp dated a woman in her 20s was in 2001 when he was 39 she was 29. Last time he dated a woman in her early 20s (subject of this post) he was in his 20s. edit: actually he was 31 in 1995. Ginger Gonzaga was in her mid 30s when she dated Jim Carrey, cathiora white was in her early 30s when she dated him. P Diddy did date when in their 20s, I'm not going to look to see if any were early 20s or …	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/08/23 05:15 PM
1	Q4M: Would you date a mediocre woman? The average amount of arms is like 1.9, no one has that. If you practice playing the saxophone for a year you are better at playing the saxophone than the average person, because most people don't play the saxophone. It's easy to be above average at something.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/08/23 09:44 PM
–	The “shy good guy” in practice is actually just a bore and that’s why women aren’t attracted to him Being shy just means you find it hard or prefer not to meet new people or socialise in large groups, that's it. It just means you are overly anxious in social situations. It being hard to make friends or being uncomfortable in large groups is down stream from that anxiety. Some people are just reclusive or introverted, but if they have no issues being confident in social situations, they are not "shy". It doesn't necessarily mean you have a disorder, but it can be a symptom of one. Whether you l…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/08/23 07:30 PM
–	The “shy good guy” in practice is actually just a bore and that’s why women aren’t attracted to him It does and the extent to which you "play it safe" is the extent to which you are shy. You even kind of acknowledged this already when you said this: However, shock horror, shy people are less likely to socialise with others Why do shy people avoid socializing with others? Probably because it's uncomfortable to put yourself out there so they play it safe and don't talk to strangers. One-on-one, people who are usually shy don't generally remain shy. True but they can still become shy again if the…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/08/23 02:02 PM
2	The “shy good guy” in practice is actually just a bore and that’s why women aren’t attracted to him People who are more anxious in social situations will tend to be more boring. To be interesting you need to risk embarrassment to some extent. You need to make jokes and risk them falling flat, you need to be flirty and risk not getting reciprocation. You need to express your interests beyond the surface level stuff that applies to everyone (travel etc). You also need to express what you dislike and risk conflict if you say you don't like something they like. If you play it too safe you are bori…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/08/23 01:35 AM
1	Where does the idea of "men are the gatekeepers of commitment" come from? Say you graduate at 22, get a masters so you're 24, start getting a career and you're 27. You look for a guy, and you find him, but 3 years into the relationship he cheats or something goes wrong, and now you have to start looking again. That sounds bad but the mirror situation sounds even worse. Imagine you forego some of your career development, have a couple of kids with a guy, then he cheats when you're 30 years old and you get divorced. Now you're single and 30, have a couple of kids to tak…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/08/23 03:45 PM
1	Question for the men who have trouble meeting women: have you tried signing up for a Ballroom dance class? It was the topic of the thread, the first comment I replied to: old Twitter memes about how men don't have bedframes or "men are literally happy in apartments that look like this" and "this" means like a camping chair and a gaming console in the living room. The comment I replied to was talking about this: https://www.reddit.com/r/196/comments/whf2zw/male_living_rule/ https://twitter.com/stewart_hamza/status/1309349372799455232?s=20 https://twitter.com/beefblob/status/1401944091852693507?s=20 If…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/08/23 12:39 PM
0	Question for the men who have trouble meeting women: have you tried signing up for a Ballroom dance class? Simply decorating and furnishing your house/apartment isnt materialistic. It's the same thing with the clothes you wear, you just need to have a sense of style/aesthetic/vibe whatever you want want to call it that you think is cool. You don't need to spend a fortune on designer clothes or furniture or whatever. Even something as simple as just some wall art you like. It's about expression. A room with nothing in it could belong to anyone. A room decorated to my taste, with items that match my in…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/08/23 04:42 AM
2	Question for the men who have trouble meeting women: have you tried signing up for a Ballroom dance class? I have the opposite take on the "individuality" thing. Well decorated rooms show your personality than the bare minimum which only communicates that you don't care. I think a lot of dudes who live with nothing are just don't have the time/are too lazy to do anything with the space. I think everyone appreciates a room with a nice vibe, but it's a lot more work to maintain and set up.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/08/23 11:51 PM
1	What do you think is at the root of the “Femcel” phenomenon? Depends what you mean by "reasonable", it's understandable they would want someone with a similar lifestyle. But it's not necessarily a reasonable request, like a 40 year old fat woman making 200k asking for a man who earns the same. The reality is, she's competing with younger fitter women because money is more important to women, so her request isn't really reasonable. It's all supply and demand, and I'd say a woman's weight might be the most thing to men generally speaking, so the demand for …	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/23 02:18 AM
1	What do you think is at the root of the “Femcel” phenomenon? Most incels just want someone who is healthy weight That's already down to like 30% of women lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/23 01:02 AM
3	Being bisexual and embracing redpill is very difficult once you experience what women do I am honestly not interested in going back and forth where everything I post, you tell me why I am "wrong". You realize you posted this in a debate sub right? What were you expecting	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/08/23 08:23 PM
–	I believe autism is a bigger death sentence for your romantic prospects then looking ugly communication disability for not communicating in the "right" way. I agree there is no "right way" to communicate but there are ways that are more conducive to forming relationships. The only reason autistic people are considered annoying is because people are not accepting of neurological differences. This is kind of like saying "the only reason people find my facial tumors ugly is because they weren't socialized enough to be accepting of my facial tumors". It sucks that some people are incapab…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/23 10:57 PM
3	Men aging like fine wine is a myth and women "hitting the wall" is overstated That's true of me too, never really saw it in college. I kind of wonder if it's an uneducated/lower class phenomenon. It would make sense on some level, generally people in college date people in college so if you go to work at Burger King maybe you date the 30 year old guy working at Burger King. Pretty sure that's how my brother met his girlfriend, they have a 10 year gap or so.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/23 06:22 PM
10	Men aging like fine wine is a myth and women "hitting the wall" is overstated I don't think that's true. Maybe a successful guy in his 30s would be better than a guy in his 20s who sits around all day playing video games. But the average guy in his 20s is going to do better than the average 30s guy with women in their early 20s. The top guys in the 30s are still not going to have as much success with women in their early 20s as the top guy in his 20s. If you're more than like ~5 years older it begins to be detrimental, obviously being older than her is important though so…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/23 05:51 PM
1	CMV: Women are incredibly entitled and take male providers for granted I assumed that he would be moving from a studio to a 1 bedroom in my calculations. Here's a quote: assuming you move up from a studio that's like 15% increase in rent. This means that he is getting a bigger apartment, he is moving from a studio he had when he was single to a 1 bedroom in a relationship. He could pay 75% of the rent for the 1 bedroom and still save money relative to what he was paying before (100% of a studio).	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/23 03:18 PM
2	Barbie Movie WEEKLY DISCUSSION TOPIC Now I'm curious what your thoughts on the Powerpuff girls are. When you say they did gender dynamics well are you referring to the rowdyruff boys or just the series in general? I don't remember the show that well.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/23 12:28 AM
1	CMV: Women are incredibly entitled and take male providers for granted Not when its based upon an assumption that she would want to stay in the bf's existing apartment. Good thing it's not based on that assumption then.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/07/23 12:12 PM
2	Do women actually marry the men they aren't really that sexually attracted to? Sex for the first time could be a few weeks and several dates after meeting her or 1 day after meeting her. Same day/night you met someone and then asking "what are we" just seems weird. Unless the intention is to ask "was this just a ONS or are you interested in going on a date with me" but "what are we" a weird way to phrase that question. Usually the "what are we" question is from a FWB or someone you're dating.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/07/23 12:19 AM
–	If you want happiness, marry a mid. Many high profile men, like Jim Caviezel do it. Jason Momoa did it She looks good for her age but she doesn't look 20 lol. Avg 25 year old is better looking imo.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/07/23 07:35 PM
2	Do women actually marry the men they aren't really that sexually attracted to? Maybe we are operating with different definitions of a "one night stand" but girls are asking "what are we" after one night together??	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/07/23 01:21 PM
1	CMV: Women are incredibly entitled and take male providers for granted A studio is smaller than a 1 bedroom. There might be some couples that go for above average size 1 bedrooms but there are also single men who get 1 bedroom apartments for themselves, so on average my analysis is accurate.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/07/23 12:01 PM
4	The average young man is objectively absolutely unappealing and it is a GOOD thing for the rest of men in general that he is not dating or having sex What's strange is that in a lot of the metrics you mention here, the average for men as a whole is brought down by poor men whether in the hood or trailer park. Statistically speaking these are the most promiscuous and father the most children. These are not men who have good skin care routines and immaculate hygiene. Yeah the quality of woman isn't good for those men, but the quality of man isn't either. At every class there are plenty of options available. The biggest factors are good socializ…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/07/23 02:12 PM
4	The average young man is objectively absolutely unappealing and it is a GOOD thing for the rest of men in general that he is not dating or having sex I don't believe that's a real thing, I'm not a woman or gay so I don't have to have those conversations but I was a teenage boy at one point. I guarantee if he pushed back his response is more like "I do wash my ass" (doesn't do it properly or is lying) or "washing your ass doesn't make a difference it just gets dirty again" or something. That's actually how women react too if they get defensive now that I think about it. Maybe if you tell him to do skin care stuff he'd say "I'm not gay, women d…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/07/23 01:34 PM
0	Women do not become more romantic later on in the relationship, women that say this don't actually know how to be that in a way that the other person appreciates. What did your dad do that was romantic? I hardly saw either of my parents do anything romantic personally. If you asked your dad would he say she does nothing romantic?	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/07/23 12:03 AM
–	CMV: Women are incredibly entitled and take male providers for granted I'm not from the US but let's use some data from here. In NY average cost of a studio apartment is like 3500, 1 bedroom apartment is like 4000, a 2 bedroom is like 4500. You're probably going to be in a 1 bedroom with your partner anyway, assuming you move up from a studio that's like 15% increase in rent. If you're paying 75% of the rent of a 1 bedroom (3000$) you're still paying less than 100% of the rent of a studio apartment (3500$). A 2 bedroom with a room mate would be paying 2250 (50% of …	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/23 02:11 PM
–	CMV: Women are incredibly entitled and take male providers for granted Why? Seems like giving an opening anyone could exploit It could, but it could help prevent you from being exploited too. E.g. you have to work over time to pay 50% of the rent then get home and do 50% of the chores while your partner just bums around on reddit all day because he works at his dad's company. 50% of financial responsibility isn't necessarily "fair". The hours you work, the onerousness of the labour, your physical condition etc all change my view of what is "fair". Would you expect …	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/23 03:37 AM
–	CMV: Women are incredibly entitled and take male providers for granted That works if the 2 persons contribute equally, otherwise one person is getting taken advantage off. You aren't being taken advantage of if you're life is better off with that person. Paying 50-50 doesn't necessarily mean it's "fair" either. If someone for example has a huge inheritance and just does 50% of the house work and doesn't do a job that wouldn't be "fair" to me. I acknowledge there is a line and you can be getting taken advantage of but strict 50-50 is not the line. Yes, thats why you…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/23 03:24 AM
–	CMV: Women are incredibly entitled and take male providers for granted Stop thinking in terms of "mine" and "yours" and start thinking in terms of "our". Obviously you shouldnt be doing 90% of the work professionally and domestically but the goal should be to shoulder the load together. It's not a bad deal because you're more than just the sum of your parts. For example, getting a bigger apartment for two people won't double your rent, so you still end up saving money even if you are paying more than half the rent. It's more worth while to look for someone who you …	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/23 02:25 AM
1	If a man is really attractive, women will ignore his glaring red flags Gates is generous, intelligent, respectable and so on These aren't masculine traits, they are gender neutral	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/23 03:35 PM
1	What are “boundaries” to you? Yes and we are entitled to call him insecure when he's setting boundaries that only an insecure man would set.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/23 02:49 PM
1	What are “boundaries” to you? When men have boundaries = insecure Don't be disingenuous, if Jonah's boundaries were normal standard boundaries like "don't sleep with other guys" and he sent the same message women would be ok with it. The reason he is being called insecure isn't because he "has boundaries" it's because of what his boundaries are. He is so scared of his girl finding a better man and leaving him that he won't even let her surf with other men when she's a surf instructor. Only thing more insecure he could have s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/23 04:09 AM
3	CMV: Getting married is one of the worst decisions a man can make Women love things Aren't men the ones who like working with things and women like people? I thought you were making some weird argument like "women love their children more than their husband therefore they don't love their husband" or something but this is just bizarre.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/23 03:38 AM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread Well, what makes her special aside from her looks? Giving her some recognition of those things will make her feel special.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/23 01:40 AM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread Yeah the stats are insane when I saw them posted in another thread. She was with this guy for a year too, you really can't trust a guy with your kids. Separate houses, separate rooms from family on vacations etc is the way to go. In this case though, the dudes didn't even need to live with her necessarily.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/23 12:42 PM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread In fact, a guy telling me his insecurity >>>> him trying to act the most macho and like he has no human flaws You don't have to "act macho" to not make your insecurities the problem of your girlfriend. They're your own, she doesn't need to know or waste her energy worrying about them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/23 12:37 PM
–	CMV A man that cheats on his wife will be more respected and loved by her (as long as she doesnt find out) then a dude that doesn’t. Yeah this is the right idea. You aren't improving to attract a new woman, you improve to stay competitive with other guys so that your wife doesn't want to leave you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/23 12:05 PM
1	CMV: Men who are not naturally good at dating and finding sexual partners cannot become good at it without making some women uncomfortable. I agree but sometimes you will run into some people who has poor social skills and completely misjudges you, your intentions and the situation. Also some people who are just assholes or have mental health issues.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/23 08:41 PM
4	All men seek two fundamental qualities in partners: I would argue that long hair is already beyond basic maintenance, that's why old ladies tend to cut their hair short. Even if they don't go to the salon the girls you see walking around tend to have a pretty intensive routines. Unless you have really good genetics it's hard to keep long hair looking healthy and not dry and frizzy or flat and greasy. You have to put a lot of consideration into the products you use, the frequency you use them, the drying process, the smell of your hair if you buil…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/23 02:47 PM
6	All men seek two fundamental qualities in partners: May not need to be out of the salon every day but it's beyond basic maintenance. You can say what you want, but ask any woman and she'll tell you how important cosmetics, hair and nails are to attracting quality men. This is a case of "don't ask a salmon how to fish". Hair is the first thing men notice about women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/23 11:54 AM
2	J.Cole's new song called "Passport Bros" just dropped. What do you think about the song and is the Passport Bro movement going mainstream? Isn't it "sexpats"? I thought the term "expat" was just expatriate, and a sexpat was an expatriate specifically there for sex.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/23 03:10 AM
6	It's time to face the facts: Women want to be approached. Men aren't doing it. #MeToo is a convenient scapegoat As men conventionally approach, I included all women in my sample. So this data includes taken women? 74% of women below 26 want to be approached more including taken women under 26? There's just no way I can believe these numbers, unless there is a significant "single" bias, which would make me wonder what other biases exist. I know it was done on social media which doesn't bode well. Though I think it would still be worth further investigation with a larger sample, it's an interesting question…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/23 11:19 PM
0	Why wouldn't looks matter? Someone who is bland boring or upright has a bad personality.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/23 12:22 AM
39	CMV: neurodivergent/guys on the spectrum should seek partners on the spectrum Autism affects women differently than men. Autistic girls and women show higher social motivation and a greater capacity for typical friendships than autistic boys and men,[28][29] are less likely to be hyperactive, impulsive, have issues with conduct or stereotyped behavioral traits,[30][31] and have been shown to mask their autistic behaviors and social difficulties more frequently than autistic men.[32]	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/23 11:55 PM
1	Women don't hate nice guys because they storm off after being rejected, women hate them because they create a secret, transactional relationship without the woman's consent. Well that's kind of the thing about being nice/kind if you get something in return for it it's not really testing if you are a "nice" person. I'm not a nice guy for going to work when I get paid to do so. The real test of who is or isn't nice is when you don't get anything in return, in dating that's like when you get rejected or need to reject someone. In most cases being kind means foregoing some tangible benefit. A person being nice on a date doesn't mean they are actually nice, just means th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/23 09:50 PM
1	Is a cuckold secure in his masculinity? An open relationship isn't the same thing as being a cuck. A cuck is a guy who gets off on being humiliated by better men fucking his wife. If he's asking you to send him messages about how much better the bull is than him then he is a cuck.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/23 11:28 PM
–	Daily Community Chat Megathread The self hate shit is cringe.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/23 04:06 AM
10	ELI5: Didn't Jonah Hill just leave a relationship that didn't work for either of them and move on to happiness and a baby with someone more compatible. How is this not a win for everyone? By being "friends" with another man, she's by definition being emotionally intimate with him. Don't play dumb, there's a reason you don't care about emotional intimacy between two women who are friends. I'm talking about the level of emotional intimacy that exists between partners, which doesn't exist between men and women who are just friends. that most of the world is quite a bit more conservative than US I'm talking about in the west, I don't think we should be modelling our relationship dyna…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/23 12:01 PM
12	ELI5: Didn't Jonah Hill just leave a relationship that didn't work for either of them and move on to happiness and a baby with someone more compatible. How is this not a win for everyone? How can she call herself loyal? That's what's absurd. Because she's neither emotionally or physically being intimate with another guy, but she is emotionally and physically intimate with you. You can hold whatever standards you want but 90+% of people, men included, aren't going to have an issue with their SO surfing with the opposite sex or posting pictures in a bathing suit. To most of us it just comes off as insecure to care about that stuff.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/23 11:40 AM
1	The interesting-cunning hypothesis I agree people should do more than just watch TV but you can have interesting conversations with pretty well anyone who is reasonably intelligent. Even if they just watch TV, you could talk about politics, current events, stuff they saw in documentaries, writing, cinematography etc. Unless they are just watching the same episode of Seinfeld on repeat or something. Being boring is more to do with not having a storied life than not being able to have interesting conversation.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/07/23 01:55 AM
11	Most dating problems are just men being horny, and women being selective I think the biggest is less real life social interaction. There aren't as many single women you meet in day to day life, cold approach and OLD feels inorganic which no one likes except people trying to hookup.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/23 03:36 PM
18	Q4A What female body type do you find the most attractive? Wish we had one of these threads with women who look normal, feel like the results would be more insightful	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/23 02:26 PM
5	Does your attraction towards a specific man decrease if you notice more attractive man/men in the same environment If this effect exists it's likely a subconscious thing that you don't even realize is happening.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/23 02:01 PM
11	CMV : Women need to follow the example that you can wait longer now to settle than ever as to avoid failed relationships with men they don’t love Late 30s early 40s it becomes more difficult to have kids, probably best to marry before then if you want kids. Also your dating pool shrinks, you are left more and more with loser dudes who can't get a wife into their late 30s/40s and divorcees. I think late 20s early 30s is a good range to shoot for. You'll be ready to settle (through the more transient life stages), have plenty of relationship/sexual experience to recognize good and bad behaviours, and have some money so you arent dependent. …	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/23 12:20 PM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread To me it seems like every other rating subreddit except the range is 3-7 instead of 6-10.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/23 12:01 PM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread It absolutely does. If the number is low relative to their age you know they have a restricted sociosexuality, it it's high than it's unrestricted. You can't have 15 committed relationships when you're 20.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/23 01:51 AM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread It tells you their sociosexual orientation	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/23 01:27 AM
3	CMV: Social media and dating/hookup culture in the west is encouraging the erosion of the solemnity of long term relationships and life long marriage. Seems like pointless overhead, avg child support payment is only like $430/month. I haven't done the math since I do not have a kid but I reckon that is less than half of child-related expenses anyway,	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/23 12:15 AM
1	What dating advice would you give to women? And how many men would you “date” from your same program? Probably none if their looks were all else equal Who do you think they're dating? If they're spending so much time in class, doing projects together, studying together etc, do you think women in good schools aren't dating their classmates? There's a reason why 40% of doctors are married to other doctors.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/23 12:44 AM
3	How do you like Zac Afron physique? I don't think men think this guy looks attractive either. Even without the hair he looks weird, body builders in general look weird and I think everyone knows that. Most men think like Brad Pitt from fightclub is the idea physique. I remember watching that as a kid and wanting to look like that. I think most women agree with that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/07/23 12:44 PM
12	Women are entitled to make men wait for sex, but men are entitled to rule her out because of it 100% of men who are not interested in a long term relationship aren't going to wait 1-2 months for sex. She might lose some people like you who can't tell if someone is physically attracted to them unless they are willing to have sex, but it's still probably worth it to apply that filter.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/07/23 12:18 PM
1	Men shouldn't show their emotions to women Exactly, and if he is incapable of expressing emotions healthily and appropriately then he should see a therapist. Women don't leave guys who cry when their child dies to cancer, they leave guys who cry because they missed the limited edition video game release.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/23 11:46 AM
3	Men shouldn't show their emotions to women decisions without putting emotions into consideration, just make whatever is objectively the best decision for you. The "objectively best decision" will factor in the feelings/emotions of yourself and others. Humans have emotions, your customers have emotions, you have emotions, your boss has emotions, your employees have emotions, you have to factor all of that in when you make a decision. Pretending you or others don't is going to lead you to constantly making suboptimal decisions.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/23 11:26 AM
1	Are average men really "struggling" to get relationships with girls? Some guys want it to play out like a movie, like you meet incidentally and hit it off really well. They want the relationship to find them instead of finding a relationship. Reason being that dating apps and cold approaching can feel artificial. Usually they get older and either find a relationship by luck or start looking more actively or atleast strategically because the clock is ticking.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/07/23 05:12 PM
3	One of the main reasons guys pay for dates is because it increases their chances of getting laid. In general I just assume I'm paying, I'm not going to ask for seperate bills or something. But if a woman offers to split I'm not going to decline though, there's no sense in "treating" someone who doesn't want to be treated, it just seems like it's more for me than her at that point. Vast majority of women aren't going to offer to split and then dump me if I accept, I don't think I'm missing out on anyone I'd want to be with.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/23 07:54 PM
4	One of the main reasons guys pay for dates is because it increases their chances of getting laid. I see pros and cons to both, if you split no one is worried about running up the bill or anything and you don't feel like you owe them something. If you don't split it feels more like you're together (more romantic, less platonic) and it's nice to treat people and be treated. If I asked her out I wouldn't expect her to pay in any case, I don't want the reason she declines to be that she didn't budget for a random event like that. My issue is more if she offers to split as a "test" that's just no…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/23 07:39 PM
1	Would you break up with your partner if she put on 25-30kgs/55-66lbs? I know I should leave her, but idk if I'd have the heart to actually do it. People will leave you for far less so it doesn't make sense to not hold people to some standard of "you must be entertaining to me" side from obvious "sickness" excuse. I think a lot of the guys saying they'd leave have never been in that situation. Sunk cost fallacy, emotional attachment, family entanglement, the comfort of not having to find a partner etc. And that's not even mentioning the obvious empathy you have for…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/23 02:26 PM
8	One of the main reasons guys pay for dates is because it increases their chances of getting laid. there are non-traditional guys who actually cannot take your offer at face value because there are women who will mimic your split offer and then ding the guy for it. If someone offers to split and then dumps me for it, that wouldn't bother me. Why would I want to date someone like that? I guess if you're just trying to get laid you can't accept the split. I'm always accepting a split though, especially after reading about women who do stuff like that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/23 12:01 PM
14	"Romantic" movies can't be used as an example of what women find romantic, because... they are not really romantic. A woman on the bottom of the social hierarchy that has no character I don't watch a lot of romantic films but isn't it usually a good looking woman with a career and sometimes even kids? Atleast hallmark films, I've seen like 2 of them and this is pretty accurate to the formula.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/07/23 06:31 PM
–	The entire pill debate has been obscured and distracted by a bizarre fixation on unattractive men’s struggle. While this sucks, it actually makes logical sense unlike the main problem, which is average and above average men struggling to the degree they are. Advice on how to be a good, honest, humble, hard working, career oriented person or partner is not what is popular, because that shit doesn't work today. This stuff is still important for keeping a quality woman long term.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/06/23 06:50 PM
0	Men shouldn’t feel bad about women preferring“bad boys” over “good guys” because those women are not worth chasing in the first place Well then good thing I don't need you to explain it because I never said it nor do I believe it. No idea why you're fixating on it. Then why do you keep saying retarded shit like this: If you don't see the sense in this, eat bad food and watch bad TV and have bad sleep until it sinks in. Bad means bad. Clearly you're struggling with this. You're using the word "bad" in a different sense entirely here. "Bad food" is low quality food. A "bad boy" is not a low quality boy, it's a boy who doesn't fo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/06/23 08:09 PM
0	Men shouldn’t feel bad about women preferring“bad boys” over “good guys” because those women are not worth chasing in the first place In my example the "good guy" was a bad partner as well. The "bad" in "bad boy" doesn't refer to being a bad partner. Idk how else to explain this to you. It's not obvious that a "bad boy" is going to be a bad partner just because the word "bad" is used to describe him. Just like it's not obvious that a "bad boy" is going to be bad at rolling joints just because the word "bad" is used to describe him. It is obvious after he cheats yes but that is months down the line, which is my point.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/06/23 07:04 PM
1	Men shouldn’t feel bad about women preferring“bad boys” over “good guys” because those women are not worth chasing in the first place When women talk about bad boys they don't mean "bad" as in "bad partners" they mean "bad" as in they don't follow the rules. Like a guy who does LSD and skips class in highschool would be a "bad boy". A "bad boy" doesn't imply he is bad at everything, I don't understand why you are confused. The reason "bad boys" get chosen is that their flaws aren't immediately apparent, low inhibitions and risk taking behaviour is fun until they cheat on you months down the line. On the other extreme end, a go…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/06/23 06:39 PM
10	Men shouldn’t feel bad about women preferring“bad boys” over “good guys” because those women are not worth chasing in the first place I cannot speak to the reasons why a lot of women seek these “bad guys”, but I am of an opinion that normal men should not be upset over it. They tend to be more confident, assertive, thrill seeking, overall just more fun and exciting to hang out with. "Good guys" can sometimes be pushover, boring, neurotic, people pleasing etc. If they aren't those things, they aren't struggling with women. "Good guys" should emulate the good things "bad boys" do and leave the bad. So leave the abusiveness, immo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/06/23 12:11 PM
-3	Men shouldn’t feel bad about women preferring“bad boys” over “good guys” because those women are not worth chasing in the first place go against your advice and start chasing these bad boy chasing girls. Why not? Women don't chase bad boys because they're "bad". It's because they are exciting, fun, confident, and not needy. I think all men should strive to be more exciting, fun confident and less needy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/06/23 12:03 PM
1	Women who take time to develop attraction/are demisexual/etc do fine in the dating world. Men in that same boat are just screwed. Why would you actively purse someone you have no sexual attraction towards? Why would Jane say yes to someone they have no sexual attraction towards. It's the same thing. That's a great way to get yourself completely excluded. It's a first date, most women aren't expecting something expensive. He's not going to get to develop the connection with them, that's the thing. He will the same way Jane will in your scenario, going on dates and getting to know them. If anything its better for you since t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/23 01:55 AM
1	Women who take time to develop attraction/are demisexual/etc do fine in the dating world. Men in that same boat are just screwed. Demisexual people are not necessarily neurodivergent firstly, secondly demisexuality has nothing to do with passivity. It just means sexual attraction builds slowly or is only present with a stronger emotional or romantic connection first. Jack so much money to constantly ask out women he may not be attracted to. Just go on cheap dates. I don't think it's going to be the case that you develop a connection with someone and just find you're not attracted to them. You can still recognize people are…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/23 01:08 AM
1	Women who take time to develop attraction/are demisexual/etc do fine in the dating world. Men in that same boat are just screwed. She's able to go on a date WHILE continuing to slowly potentially develop feelings for this other guy (or potentially for Jack as well I suppose), so why not? So jack can do this as well, what's the problem? Jack should ask out women, date multiple and eventually he will develop romantic feelings for one of them. Why does jack being demi mean he has to be passive?	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/23 12:39 AM
4	If it's insulting that someone wants you after they've had their fun in their youth, would it be even more insulting if they still didn't want you? You have to ask why her criteria changed. Was she dissatisfied with the other guys? Or is she under a lot of pressure to settle down and have kids from friends/family/society and she's compromising hard to make that happen? Without those external pressures would she rather be single? I agree it's neurotic to assume the worst but I can understand guys who didn't have success in their 20s being on the look out for signs of settling in their 30s.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/23 01:58 AM
1	CMV: Men don't want older career women because they're insecure and intimidated I got the point I just disagree. The same person doesn't always get their way, sometimes neither get their way and a compromise is reached. Its not the case that there is always someone in the relationship who has more veto power or decision making power overall. In fact I think it is rare that that is the case. Normally you only get that kind of "leadership" in the particular cluster of tasks you have negotiated to be in charge of. Like I might be in charge of cooking so I have more more decisi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/23 10:52 PM
3	CMV: Men don't want older career women because they're insecure and intimidated Every time I've looked into this, it seems even in Hollywood guys like Leonardo DiCaprio are uncommon. Most of those sex symbol 30+ year old men are dating 30+ year old women whom are established in their careers. Like Henry Cavill, Channing Tatum, Robert Downey Jr., Ryan Gosling, Chris Evans (though he is currently single, he dated Jenny Slate, then Lily James in their 30s), George Clooney, Chris Pratt, Dwayne "the Rock" Johnson, jason momoa recently divorced a woman in her in her 50 (like 10 y…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/23 10:30 PM
3	CMV: Men don't want older career women because they're insecure and intimidated Usually you have your own specialties and make decisions on that basis. The person who cooks more might be in charge of deciding what to make for dinner and what to buy at the grocery store. The person who knows more about tech might be the one who picks your internet plan. These aren't the necessarily the same person. And of course you can make decisions together if both people are knowledgeable and interested. Big decisions obviously need to be made together, you're both going to tour your hou…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/23 10:04 PM
2	Why do you think there is so much anger towards promiscuous women? I'd have to see the context and what was said.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/23 03:31 PM
–	Why do you think there is so much anger towards promiscuous women? Women here are not just shitting on mentally ill lonely people just for existing, this doesn't happen. just for trying to explain how it is for (many of) the silent majority of us who just suffer in silence I'd need context but I'm willing to bet it's not you just saying "I wish I could get friends or a girlfriend, I'm struggling really bad and it's shitty". If that's all you were saying, the response would just be to tell you to stop complaining and work harder, which is not shitting on you. It…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/23 02:47 PM
8	Is there even a right way to express vulnerability and self doubt with women? Make it entertaining. Someone fucked you over at work? Tell the story in an exaggerated funny way. If it's a topic you can't make entertaining just see a therapist, your girl ain't gonna be any help.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/23 04:05 AM
–	Why do you think there is so much anger towards promiscuous women? Those men get attacked on here because they are red/black pilled. You can't really join groups like that and expect to be treated well by women/normal people. It's like being a race realist and being upset when people are mean to you for it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/23 02:27 AM
3	The idea that these countless men who are struggling to get their equivalent are somehow ALL overrating their own appearance is just disingenuous. There are some men who do, sure but as a whole the disproportionate number of attractive men who have voiced this same complaint cannot be ignored. There's more to personality than just not being a douche. A lot of people are just boring.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/23 01:38 AM
3	What does Purple Pill look like, to you personally? I thought of myself as TRP such as needing status and SMV, as well improving looks, This isn't a redpill position. Understanding women like men who look good and have high social status is a common sense position 6th graders understand. An example of a redpill view would be that men should seek out malleable women who can be "coached" or "trained" to be women they want to date.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/23 05:23 PM
2	CMV : A lot of women on HERE seem to mistake comfort for attraction. Attraction is actually uncomfortable I think the FDS subreddit has their own "high value male" "low value male" definition, I don't think that gets used outside of reddit though and I don't know how they define it. Generally when someone says someone else is "high value woman" I interpret that to mean high SMV and RMV, but it would depend on the context I guess. This page in the sidebar has a bunch of other redpill/manosphere terms too.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/23 12:54 AM
2	CMV : A lot of women on HERE seem to mistake comfort for attraction. Attraction is actually uncomfortable Well that's debatable, I'd say a guy's personality/game are more important for smv than income but some would disagree. You got the right idea though. rmv is the same thing but with romantic relationships, so a person you want to date. Income is more important for rmv than smv.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/23 12:36 AM
2	CMV : A lot of women on HERE seem to mistake comfort for attraction. Attraction is actually uncomfortable Low sexual market value, others don't want to have sexual relationships with low smv people.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/23 12:02 AM
1	Have we "run out" of women (for the prime dating ages at least) It really sounds like an argument for more guys to go bi I don't think it works like that	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/23 06:17 PM
3	Social calibration is most important for men when dating Yeah I think the argument is that the looks threshold isnt as high a bar as the it's made out to be. Especially if you're looking for a long term relationship and/or don't mind dating unattractive women or single moms etc.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/23 01:31 PM
2	Women insist that their “taste” or standards are instinctual and without any outside influence, and that they can’t be changed when the opposite has been proven when it comes to physical attraction. Their inflated standards are quite clearly the direct result of their abundance of options. For concealers, men can wear that too no problem. I do it all the time. There are even concealers for men. I do agree they are helpful even if you just missed some sleep. People don't think I'm wearing concealer they just assume I get good sleep.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/23 11:40 AM
25	Women...ALL WOMEN...hate men who act like pussies Hate is a strong word, they just don't find it attractive. They'll be friends with a timid guy and stuff, they're just not generally going to be interested romantically or sexually.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/23 01:06 AM
3	There is a hypocrisy around overweight women aka “landwhales” Training is the smaller component of losing weight, you cant outrun the fork. Reality is, if consuming less calories were easy then everyone would be thin. Like you said, people like easy things, and no one really wants to be obese. I don't think we'll see significant population level weight loss without weight-loss drugs (e.g. semaglutide) becoming common place. Taking a pill that makes it so you feel full all the time, that's what "easy" looks like.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/23 12:37 AM
19	Why would studies show straight men and lesbians are more likely to be fat than gay men and straight women? Gay men are higher maintenance than straight men in pretty much every way, straight women are more high maintenance than gay women on average. You get a greater return on investment by putting effort into your appearance if you are trying to attract a man, because men care more about looks generally.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/23 11:21 PM
2	Men Find Youthful Women Attractive (Particularly 20s) Similarly to how Women Find Tall Men attractive It's hard to compare since the main differences are stylistic and weight. 90s and 80s styles just look garbage to me. Like if Brad Pitt were dressed like this today he'd look like trash. I could buy that being more wrinkly allowed them to pull off more mature styles which appeal to older women though, that's probably the case.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/23 04:19 PM
7	Men Find Youthful Women Attractive (Particularly 20s) Similarly to how Women Find Tall Men attractive Never understood this perspective. What physically changes between a twenty year old man and late 30s/early 40s man that makes him more attractive? Are crows feet and a receeding hairline that much more attractive? Personally, the only reason I look better now than I did in my early 20s is because I put more money and effort into my appearance now. But most men don't even do that, they often put less effort in as they age and let themselves go. So what is it, forehead wrinkles and smile lines?	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/23 11:07 AM
1	Most women haven't experienced loneliness, touchlessness and sexlessnes. That's the reason why they downplay this conditions. Yeah I think it would depend on person. I think I might struggle as a woman, but I know men who might have been better off as a woman. It's just a difference in roles and how well a person fits them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/06/23 11:35 PM
–	Most women haven't experienced loneliness, touchlessness and sexlessnes. That's the reason why they downplay this conditions. The top comment explains it how it changes things. It's just conjecture, but I'll accept it for the sake argument. She didn't change gender presentation and stay within the LGBT community, That's my point, she didn't just change her gender presentation. If we accept that the LGBT community is super tight knit and accepting as the top comment in the thread claims, then maybe leaving that community is what caused her distress and the change in gender didn't matter.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/06/23 11:27 PM
–	Most women haven't experienced loneliness, touchlessness and sexlessnes. That's the reason why they downplay this conditions. Top comment in that thread is pointing out that being part of the LGBT community changes everything I have no idea how much that would change things or not change things. You do realize though that the woman who went undercover was a lesbian though, so she would have been in the LGBT community before going undercover. If being in LGBT social groups is such a significant difference maybe moving from the accepting LGBT group to straight groups caused her problems. Or maybe she just didn't fit the …	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/06/23 11:12 PM
–	Most women haven't experienced loneliness, touchlessness and sexlessnes. That's the reason why they downplay this conditions. That's just one woman's experience though, there was a transman who came on here and said it wasn't easier being a woman. I'd caution against using one person's anecdotal experience.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/06/23 10:44 PM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread You're right, it's largely a proximity thing. You are who you hang around with.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/06/23 09:01 PM
1	The sentiment “if you have an issue with all women, the problem isn’t all women - it’s you” If I have an issue with all hornets (they sting), is it me the problem or the hornets ? Are hornets guilty of stinging me or am I guilty about not liking it ? It's idiot to spin a morality... The hornets are the issue there because they are the aggressors in that situation. They are agressive because that's their nature. It doesn't matter how I am or how I treat them, hornets are going to be aggressive. That's why this scenario is disanalogous. People have the capacity to choose to do good and b…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/06/23 08:43 PM
14	Why don't low quality women just lower your standards comparable to where you actually are? The little I have read of those subs it seemed like they were saying nobody wanted them for relationships in general not that their only options are ugly guys. You can not believe them, but then we can just not believe ugly men who say they can't attract someone on their level. Personally I think the issue is more than likely that they aren't consistently meeting new age appropriate men. I think this is the largely the problem with men too, I've seen way too many couples that are both unattracti…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/06/23 06:49 PM
1	CMV : Women underestimate the sheer effort and time towards looking like a big muscular gym bro, which is why they say they don’t like gym/muscular guys The vast majority of charismatic people didnt need to "practice" to be charismatic. They were just well socialized as children, enjoyed socializing, and picked it up from other people growing up and into adulthood. Some people have apititude for it and picked it up quickly, some didn't, like with any thing. If you think kids were making effort to practice their charisma growing up the same way a kid might practice chess or baseball, you need to spend less time on the internet	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/06/23 11:48 PM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread The law is written so that you won't get in trouble for having sex with other teens while you're a teenager. Otherwise we would run into the problem you're talking about with the existing laws, since age of consent is like 18 in most places. Most people lose their virginity before 18.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/06/23 10:20 PM
4	Male feminists/Simps are often sexually and romantically inexperienced. People really into politics are generally going to be more nerdy, have more money, have higher education etc. which are things correlated with lower overall partner counts, but positively correlated with marriage. Liberal people in general have higher partner counts iirc but that's likely just a difference in values. I think the most "Chad like" guys are pretty apolitical aside from what's popular in their area. In a more liberal area he's probably going to agree with feminists more than not. It…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/06/23 08:28 PM
1	PPD women be like: The "examples" are negative posts/comments/tweets about short men made by women on the internet. many of these examples get compiled into single image. now i can't tell if I'm the retarded one	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/06/23 01:04 AM
4	PPD women be like: I'm sorry I didn't realize I was talking to a literal retard, let me be more clear. The internet. They found the examples on the internet. It's probably just dawning on you now, but in-case it's not, that's why I said "if you look on the internet [...]". Does that help or do I need to sound out the words for you too?	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/06/23 12:41 AM
2	PPD women be like: I don't think this is due to gendered communication difference	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/06/23 12:27 AM
3	PPD women be like: If you look for something on the internet, you're going to find it. Doesn't mean it's some widespread phenomenon. That was the point of my comment, these guys actively go looking for it, whereas men shitting on fat women is pretty much inescapable. I'm willing to bet there are more men shitting on short men than there are women shitting on short men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/06/23 12:16 AM
6	Reminder this is who you are arguing with. The more important difference to me is that one is being sent to my house without request, the other is being posted on a subreddit full of people who like to look at dead things. If someone wants to advocate a pro-life position on a pro-life forum with those images, they can knock themselves out. Don't send it to my house for your political goals. I don't personally care if someone likes to look at gory shit on their free time or post on forum like that, it also has nothing to do with politics.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/06/23 03:20 PM
3	PPD women be like: These dudes are so insecure they actively go looking for women who shit on short guys, that's the issue. I've never encountered a woman shitting on short men outside of an incel's compilation. Meanwhile I can watch some unrelated mainstream live streamed event and whenever a fat woman appears on screen the chat lights her up. I saw it just a few days ago with the Xbox showcase. Balding ugly short dudes, no one says anything.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/06/23 02:38 PM
6	When Queens from TwoXChromosome or Twitter reveal their misandry Would you bet on a femcel mass murder or something similar to Elliot Roger or the incel van man within the next 3 years?	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/06/23 02:05 PM
9	Men that are called trash by women are actually attractive enough to get women to give them casual sex in the hopes of a relationship in the future. Being a side chick implies he has serious relationship with someone else, which is not necessarily the case in a situationship.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/06/23 12:37 PM
2	Reminder this is who you are arguing with. It's not necessarily the same dude. She mentions she found a person she's "actually sexually attracted to" in the same post she's shitting on her boyfriend. It's possible they broke up and this is the new guy, we don't know that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/06/23 12:22 PM
13	Reminder this is who you are arguing with. Rightwing people in my area mail those pictures in flyers lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/06/23 12:17 PM
11	Men are becoming more conservative, women are moving left. If they want a libertarian they should just go to places where other libertarians will go to find dates. Like a middle school or something.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/06/23 01:24 AM
0	You cannot build confidence because it is a self regulatory psychological mechanism. The idea isn't to become so delusional you think every woman you want to sleep with is going to sleep with you. You can be confident and accept/expect that most dates don't go anywhere. Women are attracted to men who are self-confident, who confident in themselves, you don't necessarily need to confident that a particular date is going to work out. Experiencing failure and coming out fine on the other end builds self confidence, because you know you can handle adversity and you are less afraid t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/06/23 03:01 PM
1	You cannot build confidence because it is a self regulatory psychological mechanism. No, you have a lowered fear of failure. That in no way increases your confidence in believing it will work. It's not really that you are confident in your belief it will work out with any given person, you are just confident in yourself that you will be ok even if it doesn't. I think that's where the attractiveness of confidence comes from, not being afraid to take risks, to do things unconventionally and in more personal ways, willing to have deeper conversations about controversial topics etc.…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/06/23 10:03 PM
3	You cannot build confidence because it is a self regulatory psychological mechanism. Confidence isn't as related to success as you seem to think it is. A lot of guys have 0 success in all areas of life but still somehow think they are the shit. There are women who are super pretty but think they are ugly or fat even if they have success with men, they just aren't confident. It doesn't really work that way for men because confidence is such an integral part of attracting women so it's rare you have a player with 0 confidence. However, I do see guys with girlfriends who think they…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/06/23 02:20 PM
3	When women have bad relationships they are told to “pick better” but when men are, we assign blame to women A woman can lie about being in BC, a man can't. A man can stealth firstly, I'm willing to bet it happens more than a woman lying about being on birth control. A man can always just wear a condom and pull out to be safe, if a man stealths her she is still at risk of STDs even if she's on birth control. A woman can cheat and get pregnant by another man, and the one she's married with is saddled with child support by default. If this is something you genuinely worry about get a paternity test. A wo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/06/23 11:52 AM
6	When women have bad relationships they are told to “pick better” but when men are, we assign blame to women I personally don't like the infantilization. If you are a responsible man with an IQ above 80 you aren't going to have kids you don't want. That's just a fact. women who themselves constantly claim power dynamics are concerning completely ignore/dismiss a very clear power dynamic in their favour It's not a power dynamic thing. From everything I've heard from women personally, its men that are more lax about birth control than women are. And that's probably because 1. A lot of men just don't like…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/23 11:33 PM
1	“Children need fathers” is propaganda to push a Men Are Wonderful bias. She's asking for very particular data: I noticed no one’s showed me any statistics that explicitly stated that the study controlled for socio-economics, the crime rates in certain areas, and general stability of the households Basically she's asking for some evidence it's the single motherhood in and of itself that causes these problems and not the many other variables correlated with both single motherhood and crime. There's probably something to that, since single motherhood is more prevalent …	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/23 01:22 AM
1	Age gap relationships are fine if the older party isn’t misrepresenting the relationship to the younger party. Saying someone is doing something retarded isn't policing them. If someone tells me they invested their life savings in a shit coin I'm going to tell them that's a bad idea. I'm not policing them though, they're free to do what they want.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/06/23 11:57 AM
1	Age gap relationships are fine if the older party isn’t misrepresenting the relationship to the younger party. I think you are talking about something different then the other women here. They aren't saying to go on some random woman's twitter, Instagram or a couple at Walgreens and tell her to dump her boyfriend. They are talking about on a public subreddit like this one which discusses dating advice.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/06/23 11:46 AM
2	Women’s hypersensitivity to awkwardness and lack of social prowess/dominance is not rooted in fear or some “survival instinct” they’ve evolved in response to dangerous men, but rather in their privilege and abundance Which was that if women's intuition about awkward/creepy/unattractive men is perfectly OK, natural, appropriate, and immutable behaviour then by the same logic so is that of an aggressive, violent, predatory man. There is no such thing as "immutable behaviour" aside from maybe breathing? The immutable characteristic would be the compulsion or desire to be violent in a given circumstance. Even on an involuntary level like intrusive thoughts. I think humans in general are innately violent to a cer…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/23 11:16 PM
8	Shaming men for being virgins or not getting women is cruel, mentally damaging and by far way worst than slut shaming is for women, in fact it severly affects women more than slut shaming does I've never heard of a guy who is obviously attractive getting "virgin shamed". This just doesn't happen. If people are meeting you and assuming you can't attract a woman then you're probably not as attractive/valuable as you think.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/06/23 04:50 PM
2	CMV: Men's stubborn belief that "all women are the same" is holding them back from finding success. But if a man is struggling he needs to work on those traits until he finds success. And if he wants a partner that is sought after he needs to improve even more. Ironically you've become the one justifying lack of effort. Thinking there is someone out there that likes you for who you are today means you never have to put in the effort to become someone else tomorrow.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/06/23 11:19 AM
1	Women are valued for what they are, Men are valued for what they provide And if/when that happens I would consider your body to be you and whatever body your consciousness go I would consider another person. That's interesting, in everything I read about it, it's referred to as a treatment for the brain or head you are transplanting to a healthy body. I've never heard of it as a treatment for the body to get a new brain. I can judge actions/touhghts/results and I do so often. That is not a judgment on the human. Judging a body is like judging a car to me. I can judge…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/23 12:24 PM
1	Women are valued for what they are, Men are valued for what they provide But you can exist outside your enviroment by moving to another enviroment. You can't exist outside your body. Not currently but theoretically you just need something to facilitate your conscious experience. For example, a brain transplant, then you have moved from one body to a new one. I can evaluate a person/human based on their body. Maybe I'm playing language games but when someone says I am a good person I interpret that to mean my actions or thoughts were good. What is the point in being v…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/23 01:17 AM
–	Women are valued for what they are, Men are valued for what they provide And those are inseparable. Because one exists within the other and as a product of the other. We exist within our environment and as a product of our environment as well. Even just on a physiological level my body can't maintain itself in the sun. I wouldn't say we are the same thing as our environment though, rather our body and environment facilitate our conscious experience and that experience is what we are. We are "seperated" from our bodies/environment when we die, because our bodies and e…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/23 11:38 PM
–	Women are valued for what they are, Men are valued for what they provide People ARE bodies. Not really, if you could extract someone's conscious experience and put it in another vessel I'd say that's the same person. If you lose the ability to ever have a conscious experience again you are a dead person, the body still exists and could even still be "living" but you are no longer a person. You are not your body, you are your conscious experience. Imagine you could kill a woman, put an AI system in her body so that it could function, and then kept her as a sex doll. W…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/23 03:21 PM
1	Does a man age matter when dating? Statistical averages are only predictive in large, random samples. You can pretty much guarantee that one young man's informal estimate of his immediate social world does not qualify. That's why we do studies in the first place. If it wasn't clear I was referring to the actual data we have on the topic which comes from the US current population survey of over 60,000 people. Other surveys done in other countries and by non government orgs like Pew research have shown the same. Moreover, averages …	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/05/23 04:51 PM
–	Women hate to be treated as they treat average men Clearly women will never ask men out in mass because they don't want to suffer what guys suffer It also just works as a good filter. Either the dude is attracted to you but isnt confident or assertive enough to ask you out. Or he's not attracted to you, and he might say yes anyway because he thinks it's an easy lay. For the average woman that's a lose-lose scenario.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/05/23 02:57 PM
3	Does a man age matter when dating? Well one is the statistical norm for age gaps of first marriages the other is not. Doesn't mean anyone is necessarily lying though, but the reality should be highlighted.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/05/23 12:41 PM
3	Study show that straight women are disproportionaly more likely to search porn with violence against women and where they are being raped abused and endure physical violence, than straight men do. I think those who watch it (minority in the first place) would want to introduce those elements to the bedroom as well. If they aren't it's probably because their partner doesn't quite fit the trope. I can imagine it's hard to get into it if their partner doesn't have a dominant personality or is like a unassuming short fat guy with a lisp.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/05/23 12:10 PM
3	How do redpillers explain the engagement of jeff Bezos and Lauren Sanchez? But the fact that you yourself can think of an example (Leo) shows that the stigma does in fact exist. Well no, it's because he keeps getting younger partners. Nobody cared when Ryan Reynolds dated Blake Lively and married her when she was like 24 and he was in his 30s. No you were saying that this case is exceptional in some way, that Bezos and his wifes age gap is not the norm. That's not true, this is very much the norm. Older successful men tend to date older (30+) successful women. If you a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/05/23 02:40 PM
1	How do redpillers explain the engagement of jeff Bezos and Lauren Sanchez? Yes for sure, these are exceptionally successful women. This is why I always say a woman should build her career up if she wants a high value man, even just being in proximity of high value men by virtue of a successful career is going to improve her odds significantly. Only in redpill delusion is this reality not recognized.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/05/23 02:36 PM
1	How do redpillers explain the engagement of jeff Bezos and Lauren Sanchez? The first study was specifically about who was most physically attractive, the question posed was who looks the best. To be clear I think everyone gets uglier as they get older, that's just natural. If we are talking about RMV wholistically, they aren't that much less attractive on the whole physically and have gained a whole lot of value in other areas, making them the most attractive and selected partners to men over 30. Just because a college professor finds his young female college students …	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/05/23 12:32 PM
3	How do redpillers explain the engagement of jeff Bezos and Lauren Sanchez? But you havent even attempted to prove the rule, you have just asserted it. If we look at the stats on the matter, most older men date women above 30. This is normie men so maybe they can't pull young women so let's look at celebrities. If we look at celebrities who can date younger most of them date women over 30 as well. Age gaps are a bit bigger but even celebrity men in their 30s are dating women in their 30s if not late 20s. Leonardo DiCaprio is the exception that is fixed on. Brad Pitt cou…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/05/23 11:57 AM
1	I regularly see women say on here that men overrate their own appearance, but women are guilty of this to a significantly higher degree. I dont know what you think physical attractiveness is if not the capacity for a person to attract a sexual partner in the basis of their physical features. The average woman's physical features are more sexually enticing and inspire more sexual desire from the opposite sex than the average man's physical features. Yes it's due to male hormones but all sexual attraction is due to hormones, and physical attraction is purely sexual. Again though this difference doesn't matter to women, they don't c…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/05/23 02:09 PM
6	I regularly see women say on here that men overrate their own appearance, but women are guilty of this to a significantly higher degree. men overrating themselves more than women, then we'd see evidence of that in real life to back that up such as average looking men having social media accounts with a decent number of followers Average men having simps or followers wouldn't be evidence that men overrate themselves. The fact that women have simps and followers doesn't mean that they overrate themselves more, it just means the average woman is more physically attractive to the opposite sex than the average man. If you think this f…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/05/23 04:15 PM
3	Men dont actually care about a women being healthy It is low but it doesn't look low. A lot of women with thigh gaps and such are going to be under 20%, but they look good.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/05/23 01:54 PM
9	Men dont actually care about a women being healthy I was surprised to learn how high a woman's body fat % needed to be to have no fertility and ovulation issues. I think it's something like 22% body fat.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/05/23 01:10 PM
–	A “bad personality” or “how you view/treat women” are not the reasons why a significant amount of men have no romantic success I think the biggest issue is actually proximity, a lot of guys are relying on dating apps to meet women where the gender ratio doesn't favor them. Same dudes saying it's all about looks turn around and ask stuff like "where do you even meet women?" Or say shit like "in today's society men are socially not allowed to approach women".	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/05/23 01:40 AM
–	Why is the question, "What do you bring to the table?" so offensive to some? Yeah the context matters. If it's someone who can't get dates and is asking you for help, it's a decent question which can illuminate some issues. But in the context of being on a date with someone or just talking to someone who didn't ask for your help it'll come off as socially stunted or even rude.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/05/23 12:15 PM
–	Why is the question, "What do you bring to the table?" so offensive to some? In a way yes but there is a difference between asking "want to go hunting?" and "want go kill animals for fun"?"even if they are the same at the end of the day. Relationships are transactional but no one wants to feel like they are transactional, if you ask a date what they bring to the table it will come off as socially inept.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/05/23 11:55 AM
–	Young Men Cannot Compete With Older Men For The Most Attractive Females You don't need career or money to date a woman in college who equally has no career or money. You should have an identity by then and confidence isn't really about age at all.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/05/23 10:42 PM
0	Most online discussion revolved around 'average' people. What should those with disabilities that are not average do? They are often dismissed as an afterthought. In the year 2020 approximately 1 in 36 children were born autistic. When I say "high functioning" here, I'm more speaking about those without intellectual disability, which I think is what everyone else in this comment chain was talking about. If they have intellectual disability, then the same applies, improve to the best of your ability, just a lower percentage will "make it", and that's fine. Unless they are functioning on the level of a child, then they probably can't consent to sex.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/05/23 10:34 PM
1	CMV: We should have a Super Marriage concept where divorce is illegal Lifelong for both parties, presumably. Some religious people see it as though they will be reunited in the next life/paradise/heaven or some shit, having a new person would make it awkward. It's the idea of "soulmates". Not saying I agree with it but it's a thing, at least until the person dies and the widow/widower realises how dumb it is.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/05/23 12:30 PM
3	Most online discussion revolved around 'average' people. What should those with disabilities that are not average do? They are often dismissed as an afterthought. In the year 2020 approximately 1 in 36 children were born autistic. there will be others who become more understanding and accepting. I'm understanding and accepting of people narcissistic personality disorder, I understant it's likely not their fault they behave that way. Doesn't mean I would date them though, unless they managed it well that is. Nothing wrong with awareness and education, it's probably good in and of itself since it's becoming more common. I personally just don't think it will make it any easier to date/maintain relationships.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/05/23 02:35 AM
1	Most online discussion revolved around 'average' people. What should those with disabilities that are not average do? They are often dismissed as an afterthought. In the year 2020 approximately 1 in 36 children were born autistic. There are plenty of resources out there to help autistic people improve their social skills, reflect on their own actions, and form good habits. Definitely more effort than neurotypical people need to put in, and they probably aren't going to be the life of the party. But I'd bet most high functioning autstic people are capable of forming healthy friendships and relationships at a workable rate.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/05/23 02:13 AM
12	Most online discussion revolved around 'average' people. What should those with disabilities that are not average do? They are often dismissed as an afterthought. In the year 2020 approximately 1 in 36 children were born autistic. I disagree, I think the biggest reason autistic people struggle in dating is because they make people feel uncomfortable or awkward/bored. It's not like knowing they're autistic is going to change that. It's like someone who constantly smells bad because they have trimethylaminuria. It's not like becoming aware they have a disorder and it's a symptom is going to make them more attractive to you, they still are going to smell bad and you are still going to have to live with it if you date them. I…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/23 11:57 AM
2	CMV: There is nothing that women are, say, or do that makes a man more or less masculine. I disagree, I think if society were to stop slut shaming, people would still virgin shame. There isn't a "real" reason people slut shame, it's just some ethereal idea of purity. Any woman could be a virgin if she wanted to, it's not like a promiscuous woman is not lacking in anything, she is that way by choice. It's not a skill to be a virgin. A virgin man is lacking in some quality that society values. An not some ethereal quality like "purity" but an actual deficiency like he's boring, or ugly…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/23 05:04 PM
6	CMV: There is nothing that women are, say, or do that makes a man more or less masculine. Virgin shaming for men is a direct consequence of sex shaming for women which was deliberately put in place by the patriarchy to keep women under control. I guess I don't see the connection, before the sexual revolution was there even virgin shaming? Seems like most everyone paired off back then and early in life too because women didn't really have the choice to be single. Not that I think things were better than, freedom for women is a good thing. I guess I just don't see how virgin shaming me…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/23 12:28 PM
0	Is the "you can have it all" narrative actually doing women more harm than good? Well there would be a clear physical difference in taste between soybeans and Caesar salad. There are men who think they are the biological father of their kids who never learned that their kids aren't biologically theirs. Since there is no practical difference between a being a parent to a kid who is not biologically yours and one who is, they never even notice and treat the kid the same as if they were biologically theirs. That would never happen in your analogy because it would be obvious tha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/05/23 12:20 PM
2	CMV: Most men are totally okay with waiting to have sex, but they're scared of being friendzoned so they feel pressured to make moves on dates Touching grass doesn't mean walking up to random women and asking them on dates lol. She means the guys here need to gets some hobbies, some friends and get out more.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/05/23 12:07 PM
12	Ladies, what percentage of men that have a problem finding a woman that likes him romantically are overestimating how much that problem has to do with his natural appearance? There are just as many shy/awkward women, probably more actually because they are more likely to have anxiety disorders including social anxiety. It just doesn't affect them as much in dating because their gender roles are different.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/05/23 11:56 AM
1	Do dating age men have any interest in having a friendship with a woman who is solidly nailed down? When they first met they weren't, and from them on they were friends. So regardless of whether she is insecure, her husband's friend would be doing all this stuff anyway: She goes way out of way to befriend me and never ever do anything even remotely flirty around my husband. She tells my husband how amazing I am, always invites me to everything they do, comes to me for advice about her personal life, and when my brother passed away she sent me flowers. Seems like fairly standard friends stuff.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/05/23 05:42 PM
0	Fringe opinions promoted by engagement are skewing your conceptions of the other gender The issue is the ability to NOT be on a birth certificate against your will. This can NOT happen for women who can abort or abandon their child If you are put on the birth certificate and you are not the father you can dispute your paternity. Newborns are. Just look at neonaticide. And it's all about how the murderous mother is a poor thing... That's not a thing exclusive to mothers, though it is more common for mothers to do it. I'd say it's more to do with the fact women are more likely to be …	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/05/23 05:31 PM
1	Do dating age men have any interest in having a friendship with a woman who is solidly nailed down? Her husband's friend doesn't know that	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/05/23 03:33 PM
2	Do dating age men have any interest in having a friendship with a woman who is solidly nailed down? Probably because a lot of people have huge insecurity issues and need to be reassured otherwise they throw a fit about their partner having opposite gender friends. More common than you might think.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/05/23 11:44 AM
–	Fringe opinions promoted by engagement are skewing your conceptions of the other gender Yes there is. Plenty of kids only have a mother on their birth certificate. You can get on your kids birth certificate, if disputed you can confirm through genetic testing, this is not an issue. Unless you don't know about the child, in which case it doesn't have any effect on you. Nope. A mother can abandon a kid without the father's consent or even knowledge, it's happening many times. This is not happening, unless the father doesn't know he has a kid or doesn't care about the kid. There is no…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/05/23 01:30 AM
1	Fringe opinions promoted by engagement are skewing your conceptions of the other gender There is no such thing as a father without a mother. There's no such thing as a mother without a father, and if he cares enough he can get his kid. There's no inequality here. If a woman tried to give up a kid you fathered you can prevent her from doing so. It just rarely happens that the father wants to be a single parent since they aren't as attached to the newborn as a mother would be. A woman can NOT be a parent against her will. A man can and many are, forced by institutions and women. A wo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/05/23 02:04 PM
2	Fringe opinions promoted by engagement are skewing your conceptions of the other gender Terminate the pregnancy. Then there is no child, there never was. She never completed her role in the reproductive process, she decided not to go through with the reproduction. The man did complete his role, he did decide to go through with it. He may change his mind after but you cant change the flour once the cake is baked. It's like if you planted a bomb and someone else detonated it, even if you changed your mind after planting you are still accountable for your actions if the detonator deci…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/05/23 12:25 PM
1	Women who believe their “platonic” male friends aren’t in fact orbiters; why do you think they aren’t attracted to you? Or they just knew you'd say no. Nothing wrong with that either though, attraction is natural, doesn't make the friendship less legitimate	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/05/23 01:31 AM
6	Life without a partner becomes very boring 14 months is not a long time	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/05/23 11:59 AM
1	Why would any high value male date an FDS woman? Sure, I just disagree with the framing that the reason the guy is not paying the whole bill is because he doesn't like her enough or doesn't think she's a 10 or something. That's not necessarily the case is my point.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/04/23 11:10 AM
2	Why would any high value male date an FDS woman? If a woman offers to pay half, I assume she has a reason for doing so. Maybe she doesn't want to feel like a burden or feel like she "owes" me or something. At end of the day it's just a bill, it doesn't matter to me who pays it. It's fine if they are trying to filter out men who share my view on this, but to be clear there are men who are 100% interested and serious about a woman, who are not broke who will accept splitting a bill if it's offered. I think FDS is looking for something more speci…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/04/23 01:30 AM
11	the fundamental issue with most dating advice directed at men is most of it boils down to “be someone else entirely” They aren't, it's pretty obvious when you consider gender roles in dating/relationships. Having a "bad" personality trait is one thing, having a "bad" personality trait that also conflicts with your gender role is another. Your perspective is warped by your gender and sexual orientation. Everyone is biased, including you. There is no gender or sexual orientation that gives you an objective perspective. That's why I don't base my opinions solely off of my own experiences.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/04/23 02:39 AM
14	the fundamental issue with most dating advice directed at men is most of it boils down to “be someone else entirely” Well firstly being feminine isnt an emotional health issue. For the others it would depend how shy submissive or gloomy and clingy they are. But the bar is a lower for women here, same way men can get away with having negative masculine traits a bit more than women can. For example, being shy can be endearing if it's not too much, especially if you're a woman. If you cant leave the house it's an issue regardless though obviously.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/04/23 01:10 AM
2	Asking your partner to wear less revealing clothes: controlling or boundaries? If they are a person who regularly wears revealing clothes then whenever they take a picture of themselves they will probably be in revealing clothes. Like if they wear bikinis and go to a beach then they will be in a bikini in their pictures at the beach. They choose to wear those clothes because they like that aesthetic, they like to look like that. You will know what they like to look like before you date them. Personally, if I started dating a girl and she completely changed her aesthetic I …	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/23 11:40 AM
16	Asking your partner to wear less revealing clothes: controlling or boundaries? It's fine if you want to have that boundary, but it's not "acting single" unless she is entertaining the men who DM her. Vast majority of women don't wear revealing clothes while single and then less revealing when dating someone. However, they will stop flirting with other guys.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/23 12:54 AM
4	Daily Community Chat Megathread Very true though it's probably due to proximity more than preference. Like a male doctor doesn't necessarily set out looking for a female doctor, but he starts dating seriously in the years when he is in med school and who is he spending the most time with? Other med students.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 12:03 AM
3	Are most western women going to marry most western men in the future? Do black people want to be seen as westernised? Colonised? African Americans have contributed a ton to western culture. Idk how you could say they were "westernized", could you imagine American culture without African American influence? The "west" wouldn't be the "west" as know it without AAs. They are a unique subculture but it is still a western subculture, Africans are culturally distinct from African Americans.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/04/23 12:19 AM
0	Q4All Does the BP hate the idea of systematic approaches working because they destroy the idea of things just magically happening? instead of just doing a BP 'spray and pray'. Firstly self improvement isnt a "red pill" idea, lots of regular non redpill people work on themselves and do things to be more attractive. The vast majority do actually, very few people rely on "magic". It has nothing to do with demystifying dating. Some people have found that they are happier to just look for someone who likes them for who they are today instead of changing into something else. That when they tried changing, they were less happy as …	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/04/23 02:56 AM
2	What does the average experience of an average man in the dating world look like? completely recognize that it may have been better or worse at a different point in time, but I don't have that data point. So you agree you don't have enough data to say if his experience isnt average? Why make your original comment. Easy enough that the median man can find a relationship via dating and/or find casual sex via dating. Yeah it was easy for the guy you responded to to get sex via his relationship & FWB arrangement which lasted the majority of his 20s. Idk why you think his experien…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/23 12:00 PM
3	Apparently Women are joining the Passport Bros Crew They aren't being "willfully ignorant" the OP posted an article specifically about about women going to Spain and France to get partners. If they had posted an article about women going to Nigeria or the Carribean the comments would have been about that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/23 11:53 AM
3	Apparently Women are joining the Passport Bros Crew Nobody hand waves it away when women do the same thing. For a popculture example, the american women on 90 day fiance get made fun of just as much as the american men, and the majority of the audience of that show is women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/23 11:37 AM
2	What does the average experience of an average man in the dating world look like? You understand you can be in the top 2/3 at one point and bottom 1/3 at another point in time right? You can say "in x year he was below average" or "in y year he was above average" but you can't say his experience is "below average" overall with the data we have. If he spent half his twenties in a relationship and was in a FWB for some time beyond that, we can reasonably assume he was "above average" for the majority of his 20s. But we don't know because we don't know how long he's been single …	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/23 05:34 PM
3	What does the average experience of an average man in the dating world look like? He clearly wasn't factoring in his time in his relationship and FWB into his estimate for how often he has sex per year. Probably because the question asked what it it's like for the average man in the dating world so he probably interpreted the question to be for a man who is actively dating. You can't compare these numbers, it doesn't tell us anything meaningful.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/23 12:42 PM
10	What does the average experience of an average man in the dating world look like? He could still be average, he's just single right now. The average guy isn't sleeping with a new woman every week, sex frequency in and out of relationships are going to be way different. I imagine when he was in that 5 year relationship he mentioned he was having sex more than once a week. I guess we would need to know how long he's been single for.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/23 04:27 AM
3	CMV: Men see younger men as other men, where women see younger women as little children. This is at the core of many disagreements on PPD. Do you have a post where older women are complaining about what younger women are doing? Usually it's just a warning like "don't date who are much older than you" or "age gaps in relationships are gross", equivalent might be men saying not to date single moms. I don't think I've ever seen a post on here where older women are complaining that younger women are taking all their men or something lol.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/23 11:07 PM
7	CMV: Men see younger men as other men, where women see younger women as little children. This is at the core of many disagreements on PPD. Would you deny them that period of growth and discovery? Are the women at that age losing something permanently from their poor choices? All she wants to do is warn young women about older guys, they can choose whether or not they want to take her advice from there. Same way you might warn a young adult about credit card debt or drinking too much. It's not like she's going to show up to the date and pull the fire alarm	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/23 10:13 PM
2	CMV: Why some women have a problem with age gap relationships and why men seek them Right, prefer doesn't mean "excludes men outside their age" I don't know what % of women exclude men who are significantly older than them. I don't think I've ever seen anyone argue that most women exclude them, just that older men are usually uncompetitive which is why age gaps in relationships are fairly rare. So saying "young women don't like older men" is categorically wrong. When someone says "women don't like short men" do you interpret that to mean no women would ever date a short man? It…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/23 04:41 AM
3	CMV: Why some women have a problem with age gap relationships and why men seek them That means that the same methodology is used by a different team, That would be a direct replication, if you use a different methodology to test the same hypothesis you are doing a conceptual replication. I don't see why you want a direct replication of this particular study when we have so many studies with the same result, regardless of methodology.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/23 03:52 AM
3	CMV: Why some women have a problem with age gap relationships and why men seek them I choose that study mostly because it wasn't behind a pay wall a few weeks ago when I found it, but as you can see in the abstract: Consistent with previous findings, women preferred partners of their own age, regardless of their own age and regardless of the level of relationship involvement. You can just click through the foot notes to see other studies. It seems to be similar stuff to the OKcupid study though, looking at personal ads. It'd be more meaningful to show the respondents a variety …	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/23 03:16 AM
4	CMV: Why some women have a problem with age gap relationships and why men seek them Idk if you read the rest of my comment but it did pan out in replication	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/23 02:56 AM
6	CMV: Why some women have a problem with age gap relationships and why men seek them How would you have non-self reported data on a topic like this? The best you can do is show how people pair off in reality or survey them on what they say they prefer. I've shown both those things in my comment. It was a survey, it wasn't behind a paywall which is why I originally chose that one in particular but the link is broken now so I had to replace it with science direct link to the same study which is pay walled. But as it points out in the abstract: Consistent with previous findings, wo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/23 02:14 AM
18	CMV: Why some women have a problem with age gap relationships and why men seek them I'm not sure if age gaps are more abusive but all the data I have seen points to women in general preferring men around their own age, just a bit older. e.g. "The present data suggest that women's partner preferences follow a simple rule: they prefer men around their own age, with a range from slightly younger to slightly older" Then there was that ok cupid survey: Men, regardless of their age, tend to say women in their early 20s look best, while women are most attracted to men their own age. A…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/23 01:54 AM
1	Men Desire Romantic Relationships More Than Women Do I would stand by adding those three but for the sake of argument, we can remove them in which case it's like 6.81 hr/day for men vs 6.67 hr/day for women, so still only a 10 minute difference approximately.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/04/23 06:11 PM
1	Men Desire Romantic Relationships More Than Women Do I believe so yes, if you are looking for just married couples and look at those same 6 categories you get 7.84 hr/d for women and 7.68 hr/d for men. So married people work more but still only about 10 minutes difference per day between the sexes. It would be Table 3 scroll down to marital status, add up columns 3 to 8.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/04/23 05:33 PM
2	Men Desire Romantic Relationships More Than Women Do Found a non pdf version I can link: https://www.bls.gov/news.release/atus.t01.htm. I added the categories -Household Activities -purchasing -caring for non household members -caring for household members -working and work related activities -educational activities	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/04/23 11:48 AM
4	Men Desire Romantic Relationships More Than Women Do What year are you referring to? I just looked at the latest one (published 2022 collected for 2021) and added up the numbers in Table myself (specifically Household Activities, purchasing, Caring for non household members, caring for household members, working and work related activities and educational activities) and got that women worked 6 minutes more per day (7.14 hr/d vs 7.28). So basically even, which is what I remembered from the dept of labour stats. I'm guessing you either used a diffe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/04/23 03:30 AM
5	Men Desire Romantic Relationships More Than Women Do I thought it was about even or women worked more depending on the study. Is there a paper showing men work more when you add up unpaid and paid labour?	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/04/23 02:32 AM
0	Men who consider themselves ugly: Have you have luck with unattractive women? This puts women off, If it's so off putting that she doesn't want a second date it's probably making her uncomfortable which is preventing her from having fun on the date. Even if it's just initially, for example I used to be shy and awkward, that made for uncomfortable and unfun on first dates, even if people I knew well could have fun around me. My point in drawing this distinction is that I didn't necessarily need to change my shyness or my awkwardness, though that may be the easiest solution…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/23 04:26 PM
0	Men who consider themselves ugly: Have you have luck with unattractive women? Then the autism is not an issue	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/23 12:59 PM
-1	Men who consider themselves ugly: Have you have luck with unattractive women? because i was born short, balding and autistic Well the actual reason is because you are unattractive and not fun to be around. There are short bald guys who are physically attractive to decent % of woman and of course autistic men who are fun to be around, just more difficult obviously. This is like that obese woman you dont want saying they can only attract the bottom of the barrel men because they were born with a thyroid issue or bad parents or any other excuse.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/23 12:38 PM
2	Can we all agree that positive moral attributes such as kindness, sweetness, patience, and selflessness are not sexually attractive attributes for men? If you have ok social skills you will already have this level of "niceness". Like don't call the waitress fat, don't insult your date, dont be inconsiderate by like farting or burping and shit, don't suggest activities like throwing rocks at animals or something. If we are talking about purely just getting laid it's kind of just a pass fail at basic human decency.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/23 10:58 AM
0	Men who consider themselves ugly: Have you have luck with unattractive women? Sounds like youre only into women out of your league, which is cool if you're ok being single. Goodluck bro	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/23 10:44 AM
0	Can we all agree that positive moral attributes such as kindness, sweetness, patience, and selflessness are not sexually attractive attributes for men? These traits aren't sexy in and of themselves. However, appearing to not have these traits can fuck up your chances with a woman. Anyone with a modicum of social awareness knows that acting like a dick to people is going to make people avoid you. Not having that basic level kindness and being rude makes you come off as socially retarded. Even people who are shitty towards others will fake basic kindness until they get what they want.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/23 10:19 AM
0	Can we all agree that positive moral attributes such as kindness, sweetness, patience, and selflessness are not sexually attractive attributes for men? Those traits are good for long term relationships, they will not make you invisible sexually. If you are confident, assertive, charismatic, funny, and you look good you are going to succeed with women regardless. Appearing to not have these traits can also fuck it up for you, which is why even people who are assholes aren't going to be assholes to their dates on the first date. They will be on their best behaviour.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/23 10:07 AM
39	Men, do you genuinely like/liked your female partner? I have the boring answer, yes I liked/loved them, I didn't think they were beneath me. I think most men won't become someone's partner if they don't like them but I could be wrong. I was surprised by the amount of men agreeing with the sentiment of "women are terrible friends"/"having female friends is pointless", it's not something I have observed IRL. I wouldn't put too much stock in things people say online, especially the manosphere.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/23 10:37 PM
5	CMV A lot of the "toxicity" and "misogyny" are just men no longer making up lies to please women Probably correlated with other traits that are desirable. It's like how guys here used to say women like narcissists, but if you dig into it it's more that narcissists are perceived as highly confident and competent when you first meet them, which is attractive. They actually struggle with interpersonal relationships of all sorts long term, meaning the narcissism is not the attractive part. Misogynists are probably going to behave more traditionally masculine, which women will like (paying for d…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/23 01:55 PM
1	Beauty standards for men are far more unrealistic when it comes down to dating I would agree for eye make up generally, unless the dudes in a particular aesthetic. But a lot of makeup is just evening skin tone and covering up blemishes. Im a dude who uses under eye concealers, nobody has ever even noticed I use it because it just covers up my dark circles which makes me look less tired. There are even brands for men, but from what I can tell it's just black packaging for the same product. Even if you do advanced makeup like contouring, it's basically just changing tones to…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/23 12:57 AM
1	What is the appeal of younger men (mid 20's) for older women (30's 40's)? she's talking about men in their mid to late 20s, not someone just out of high school. Contextually that's a bit different, she could mean it in the way fresh and fit describe "coachable women" where redpillers try to train younger women like dogs. But I think in this context she is probably just saying a man is not set in his ways, going along with the "open minded" comment. You can't train a 27 year old man either way, so it's not an issue.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/04/23 02:43 PM
1	How do you guys explain lonely women? I mean yeah it is what it is, the market dictates the price. But see they don't want me for casual sex, they can get a better guy. Yeah so on the sexual market place they had higher value than you. They could offer their sex for more than what your sex was worth to them, so they took that deal instead. It sounds like the romance wasn't worth it for them at the time, the opportunity cost or risk was too high to justify what they could get on the market. Is that my level now? Odd how my level went…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/23 03:36 PM
5	How do you guys explain lonely women? I've asked out similar fit short educated girls, they wanted men better than they are. Or you're asking for better than you are, or both. The market dictates your value. What you can get is your "level".	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/23 02:34 PM
2	Women get over breakups faster because they do less work to initiate relationships Fwb isn't really romantic, you aren't going to be in love and have those romantic dates/experiences. You also arent a life partner to that person, you aren't living with them, planning your future with them and building a family together. You aren't responsible for everything going right in the relationship, but you are responsible for maintaining the level of effort you put in initially. Imagine if after you married a woman, she stopped going to the gym stopped helping around the house and got …	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/23 11:26 AM
1	You are responsible for your orgasm. CMV Most people want to make their partner orgasm, and if that is something you want, you share the responsibility. Like anything if it's something you want, you hold some responsibility to make it happen. As a guy, you have to make her feel comfortable giving honest feed back, be willing to try new things and put in the effort. If you don't want to make her orgasm, I guess you don't have to do much, but idk why a woman would be with a guy like that. I do agree that if a woman wants to orgasm she ho…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/23 10:42 AM
8	Women get over breakups faster because they do less work to initiate relationships I don't get how, given the fact that she had told him, many times, that she felt unloved and unhappy Its obvious in hindsight, and I'm sure the guy would recognize it today. In the moment it probably felt like "yeah I should do more of that, maybe when I get x job, or when I finish y exam I'll have more time, she knows this is temporary". But when you get x or y, you will have new things on the horizon that demand time as well, so he constantly pushes it back. He probably didn't realize he was o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/03/23 06:50 PM
1	Women get over breakups faster because they do less work to initiate relationships Even without other men it is more enjoyable to be single then in a dead relationship. You would think but a lot of people live in that kind of marriage for decades. I guess when you have kids and bills it's not such an easy decision.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/03/23 06:23 PM
16	Women get over breakups faster because they do less work to initiate relationships You could enforce the same standard in your relationships, I think men often do. Idk how reliable this data is but according to this article 94% of men say they would leave their girlfriend if she gained too much weight. I think this is a similar dynamic, in a way it's a bait and switch to change how you perform for someone after you've been together for a while.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/03/23 03:43 PM
1	Q4W: Would you date a man who owns fleshlights and sex dolls? silicone boyfriend in the cupboard that she regularly climbs on and rides This would just be funny to me, I don't think I would have a problem with this. I'd just think she likes sex alot. Might tease her about it. She might even have a name and a personality for him in her mind. This would be weird, like talking to the doll and stuff. Like if I go to her place for dinner and she pulls up a 3rd chair with the doll in it I think I would get out of there as fast as possible.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/03/23 12:15 PM
35	Women get over breakups faster because they do less work to initiate relationships I think this is right, I made this mistake with my first very long relationship in that I got complacent, shifted my priorities too much from her to school/my internships because I had thought she was the "one" so she would always be there anyway. I just stopped making enough time for her, and we were in college surrounded by men who would. I think it's probably pretty common. I think it's normal to take the idea of "unconditional love" too far and lose sight of the fact that she is with you for…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/03/23 11:58 AM
3	You need to have a popping Instagram account to be able to date successfully as a guy Seems like it’s just a lot easier to just have friends and be normal. I think you misread me, you need to do this either way, social media is just a way to show you are well adjusted, have friends and do stuff. Social media isn't a substitute for friends, it's proof of it. It can also be a good way of finding girls to date in the first place. Overall it just makes dating a lot easier for you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/03/23 01:02 AM
9	You need to have a popping Instagram account to be able to date successfully as a guy It depends how you meet the woman I think. Like you said, the social life is important part, if you aren't social you will give off serial killer vibes. If you meet her through your friend group or something then the social media presence doesn't matter (unless she is a "social climber" as you say). Otherwise you need to show you have friends and are normal, social media is an easy way to do that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/03/23 12:36 AM
1	The idea that men's dating issues is merely the result of them having to treat women as an equal now is to reductive and dismissive of their actual dating issues. Again, fairly obvious to all but the most oblivious. Yeah but that's kind of how it always is. It's like weightloss, everyone knows how to lose weight. Eat less, move more. It gets more complicated when we factor in other things like appetite, metabolism, the way foods are marketed, the need for both partners to work so they have less time to prepare food etc etc. There is a time and place to discuss those things. But at the end of the day if you want advice, it is what it is, you have to eat le…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/03/23 04:21 PM
0	"The Hoe Phase" She was obviously asking which one is the lock, not suggesting the lock opens the key. Edit: dude blocked me so I can't reply to anyone in this thread anymore lmfao. It makes sense I can't respond to him, but it's weird it doesn't let me respond to others.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/03/23 12:01 PM
2	Q4W: Are you more attracted to a "naturally" attractive man than the one who "learned" to become attractive? I feel like two shy and awkward people would lead to shy and awkward conversation, Yeah I would agree with that though the issue is that two outgoing people are going to be able to have even beter conversations. Shy people are often boring at first since they are too nervous to say anything "risky". Being shy is always a straight negative, but I think men are more likely to overlook the negative due to gender roles. Also I think it's important to not conflate introversion with being shy. Its pos…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/03/23 11:41 AM
1	"just date women your own age" is harder than you think Doesn't mean all this that women want rather with older men relationships, marriage, etc. Yes like 3 years older not 10 years older. When we are talking about dating "older men" we don't mean 1 day older we mean like a 30-40 year old dating a woman who is 18-25. It's almost 1/3 of women make relationship with older men who at least 5 and maximal 15 years older than the women. I don't see where in this article you're getting that from, the table under the statistics tab shows that in the US 18.8%…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/03/23 05:52 PM
-1	"just date women your own age" is harder than you think No they do not. Women love older men, as long as they aren’t fat and gross and poor. And when I say older I don’t mean 60, I mean 30-40. And his links didn't support the view expressed in this comment so presumably he is making a seperate argument. He was called deluded and he then got some evidence with factual research. This is a study where they went out and found 200 women dating older men and asked them why a woman might prefer an older man. This does not show that women prefer older men ge…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/03/23 12:21 PM
-1	"just date women your own age" is harder than you think Well if you don't have the time for learning the arguments of others then don't debate. You realize this is precisely the point of what he was doing right? He posted 5 irrelevant articles hoping no one had the time to go through them and see that they were irrelevant. It's not about "learning the argument" I can't learn the argument because they didnt make one. I have to guess the argument they were trying to make. For example your sources also don't prove anything because they are merely survey…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/03/23 10:57 AM
1	"just date women your own age" is harder than you think Well yeah, dude posted 5 articles with no explanation about how they supported his argument. Most people don't have the time to read the articles, build his argument for him since he was too lazy to make one, and then rebut the argument. Especially in this case since the articles aren't even about how common it is for young women to prefer older men, which was the topic of the conversation.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/03/23 04:21 AM
4	"just date women your own age" is harder than you think If I can spitfire out random articles containing "reasons why women love fat men" does that mean anyone claiming women prefer fit men are "delusional"? https://www.fatherly.com/health/romantic-advantages-for-fat-guys https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/why-bad-looks-good/202111/are-some-women-more-attracted-men-who-are-overweight https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/5-scientific-reasons-why-women-132253088.html https://relationshipfire.com/reasons-women-love-fat-guys/ Women tend to like men aroun…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/03/23 04:09 AM
2	"just date women your own age" is harder than you think In that case the man is competing with a cat and losing	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/03/23 03:37 AM
1	What would a Red Pill alternative from a leftist perspective look like? Did you read the article? I skimmed it and it seems 100% true. The dominant male who is demanding, violent, and self-centered is not considered attractive to most women, whereas the dominant male who is assertive and confident is considered attractive. I would say this matches the average persons intuition and is 100% true. If being an asshole were genuinely attractive to women you guys would be recommending that people insult the waitress or spit on homeless people on dates. Instead you recomme…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/03/23 03:12 PM
1	What would a Red Pill alternative from a leftist perspective look like? you’re already perfect as you are! Don’t change anything, someone out there is already waiting just for you! Just follow your dreams! This obviously isn't advice for becoming more attractive, this is their opinion on how to live a fulfilling life. They think you should find someone compatible with you "as is" instead of changing yourself to be desirable to a wider range of women. If you want advice for appealing to more women you should ask a more specific question. Think about it, do you honest…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/03/23 02:17 PM
1	What would a Red Pill alternative from a leftist perspective look like? That's just a personal choice, TRP doesn't make the choice for you. The type of motivation TRP does isn't even effective for most people, research shows that blaming/shaming fat people is not an effective way to motivate them to lose weight. The only reason you might find more fit people in the redpill is because if I were to point at a fat guy who self identifies as "red pilled" you'd probably say he's not actually redpill because he doesn't follow the advice. On the other end you would not say…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/03/23 01:47 PM
2	What would a Red Pill alternative from a leftist perspective look like? Do you think the average person doesn't know fit people are more attractive than obese people? Everyone knows this, if you couldn't figure it out without TRP telling you then it's probably a "you" problem. It's very much a "blue pill" common sense world view.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/03/23 12:23 PM
140	Is “I want a smart man” the socially acceptable way of simply saying “I want a rich man”? Nah euphemism for "rich" is "ambitious". Smart is more about having interesting and insightful things to say + good problem solving I think.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/03/23 01:31 AM
1	People on this subreddit completely overlook how the boomer generation has caused maladaptive socioeconomic conditions for today's young adults that play a causative role in the dating, marriage, and fertility trends we’re seeing today Very true, especially in local elections if you are a renter. Young renters don't vote, older home owners do, we can't be surprised at the result in terms of zoning policy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/23 10:57 PM
5	The primary cause of singleness among men is simple yet overlooked. Yeah I think the issue is more people using tech in lieu of social interactions rather than not being able to interact due to tech. Like if you work from home you never have to interact with anyone, everything can be shipped to your door and you never have to leave. There is nothing that forces you out of your comfort zone so it's probably more difficult to do it. It's like trying to stop drinking while surrounded by alcohol and alcoholics, if the comfort is right there its harder to resist it. …	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/03/23 07:11 PM
6	Q4Women and for Blue pill. What do many or most women need to improve or fix about themselves? Be more assertive, not just sexually or romantically but professionally as well.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/03/23 06:14 PM
3	Women of PPD, how big of a red flag is a man having no relationship experience? I can see saying "I haven't had much luck" in a nonchalant or even playful way in some contexts, but if it's coming across as "woe as me" (like OP does) it's always going to be a bad look. It doesn't really matter what your actions are, if when you talk you seem like a whiny non-agent (I don't remember the proper term for this) in your own life you're going to be insufferable. I would avoid talking about any sort of major insecurity with a romantic partner especially when you've just started dat…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/03/23 12:57 AM
4	Women's rights Vs. Women's responsibilities They aren't obligated to me, they could leave if they want. They are morally obligated to not lie and cheat on me because we explicitly set those boundaries.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/23 07:58 PM
2	Women's rights Vs. Women's responsibilities A credit card isn't a relationship, bffr. My point is that if you owe something, it doesn't matter if you feel like you owe it or not. All that matters is whether or not an obligation pay or provide something exists. Do you disagree with that statement? Or in your mind, do you only ever owe something to someone if you feel like owing them?	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/23 07:47 PM
0	Women's rights Vs. Women's responsibilities It doesn't matter how you feel about it, the obligation exists whether you want it to or not. Just like if I don't feel like I owe the credit card company 200$ doesn't mean I don't owe the credit card company 200$. There's a legal obligation therefore I owe it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/23 07:34 PM
-1	Women's rights Vs. Women's responsibilities I certainly don't feel obligated to commit to my partner. You should feel a moral obligation not to lie and betray people, that's like being a good person 101. If you commit to a closed relationship you owe it to that person to stay loyal. Because that's what was agreed upon.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/23 07:18 PM
3	Men should stop trying to rationalize and justify their body count preferences. The issue is your phrasing and (likely) the context in which you say it. Nobody cares about your preferance so simply volunteering this information is always seen as a dig against those people. "I don't want to marry a woman who has slept with everyone she's met" is the equivalent of "I don't date women who stuff their face with every cheese burger they see", it's just a rude way to say.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/23 12:35 PM
1	CMV : I always hear about Low value Women claming they locked down a HVM and therefore beeing a Hoe has no impact on theyre Dating Choices. Those Dude which they believe to be HVM are not. Yes, obviously.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/23 09:31 PM
1	CMV : I always hear about Low value Women claming they locked down a HVM and therefore beeing a Hoe has no impact on theyre Dating Choices. Those Dude which they believe to be HVM are not. >"Chemistry" just means being attracted to the non physical parts of a person. Chemistry implies some kind of unique compatibility with a person, that your personality suits their tastes. I don't think it's that unique, most women are into the same kinds of traits. The aesthetics are mostly what's different. The reverse is especially true, that there are traits pretty much universally disliked. As a result, I think you can make fairly objective statements about someones lack of attractiveness, e…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/23 08:55 PM
1	CMV : I always hear about Low value Women claming they locked down a HVM and therefore beeing a Hoe has no impact on theyre Dating Choices. Those Dude which they believe to be HVM are not. Can you tell when a woman is popular with men vs one who wouldn't be? Maybe it's a gender thing, but I find it pretty easy to determine if a guy is going to be popular with women just from a few conversations. I think there are more similarities than there are differences and the "unique" things are actually things people are more willing to compromise on. For example a woman might say she likes outdoorsy guys but then she meets an artsy guy with rizz who doesn't do outdoor stuff and she falls f…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/23 08:00 PM
1	CMV : I always hear about Low value Women claming they locked down a HVM and therefore beeing a Hoe has no impact on theyre Dating Choices. Those Dude which they believe to be HVM are not. I wasn't just speaking about physical attraction, infact I was more thinking of the non-physical stuff. I don't really believe in "chemistry" that much as a concept, I think it's mostly something you learn to create not some form of compatability. As I've improved aspects of myself (confidence, being less insecure etc) I've had "chemistry" with more people.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/23 05:11 PM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread I guess, I just dont understand why other guys even care about comments like that. It's just tweets, keep scrolling. I think most men have a similar attitude which is why that "brotherhood" doesn't exist.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/23 03:29 PM
1	CMV : I always hear about Low value Women claming they locked down a HVM and therefore beeing a Hoe has no impact on theyre Dating Choices. Those Dude which they believe to be HVM are not. I don't agree with OPs premise but I don't think people's tastes are really that different. Like you can tell when a guy gets girls and when he doesn't pretty easily.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/23 03:11 PM
3	CMV : Women are so militant and unforgiving with guys they're dating because they’re almost 100 percent confident “their perfect man” is waiting for them in the future There's a checklist even if you don't do the introspection needed to know what's on the list. It's not as if it's random, it's not even really that unique to the person either. Most women are attracted to confidence and witt for example, it's not like they are checking off the boxes consciously but if the boxes are checked they will be smiling and having a good time throughout the date.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/23 02:16 PM
0	CMV : Women are so militant and unforgiving with guys they're dating because they’re almost 100 percent confident “their perfect man” is waiting for them in the future Divorce rates are actually lower if a woman waits to get married though. If it were the case that women were marrying men they don't like ourtof necessity in their 30s, you would think those marriages would be more likely to fail than the women who married earlier.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/23 01:39 PM
1	Dogs are messing everything up. Cats>dogs.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/23 03:20 AM
1	CMV : Women are so militant and unforgiving with guys they're dating because they’re almost 100 percent confident “their perfect man” is waiting for them in the future Never say never!! Keep grinding	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/23 02:38 AM
1	Western men are not the problem with regards to dating issues in the west CMV I'm mostly joking, 90 day could be fake for all I know, but what they are depicting is real phenomenon (white women marrying men from the Caribbean and north africa). It's just not as common as men doing it, for the same reason male prostitutes aren't as common presumably.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/03/23 07:44 PM
8	Western men are not the problem with regards to dating issues in the west CMV But they aren’t really getting relationships from these men as much as they could in America I've seen enough 90 day fiance to know this isn't true lol. You'll see fat old chicks getting attractive young men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/03/23 07:33 PM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread In order for the "paper cuts" to offset the murder and SA rates you would need to see significantly more "paper cuts" inflicted by women on to men than the reverse. We might not know the amount of "paper cuts" but there is no reason to believe women inflict more of them than men. If you're just saying "it's possible" then it's also possible murder and SA rates are being outright fabricated by a feminist gestapo. We have no reason to believe that though.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/03/23 05:09 PM
2	Daily Community Chat Megathread If your examples of "paper cuts" are women leading a man on then I think there are just as many men inflicting "paper cuts" to women on top of the major things. Men also do shit like using a woman for sex, minor forms of harassment like dick pics, cat calling, in relationships stuff like weaponized incompetence and treating her like a bang maid etc. It's not like outside of murder and rape men are treating women like queens.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/03/23 04:53 PM
3	Do you think there's anything wrong with men to filtering out promiscuous women for serious relationships? If so, why? I wouldn't consider it a transaction if we're both doing the same things for each other. There is some comparative advantage even if you are exchanging equivalent things. Maybe I like doing X and they like doing Y, if I lived alone I'd have to do X and Y myself, but now I can do 2X and they can do 2Y and both of our lives are better for it, even if we both have XY at the end of the day. Even if you both do XY, if you get busy with work maybe they cover some of your domestic stuff more and then y…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/03/23 06:11 PM
3	Do you think there's anything wrong with men to filtering out promiscuous women for serious relationships? If so, why? You can build insurance into the trade. So in the terms of the contract "till death do us part, in sickness and in health" means if I get sick I can no longer do X you will pick up the slack for a a while or forever and I will work on adapting to my new situation and making myself useful. We trade insurance to each other. Those 1 in 6 guys are breaking the contract, which is the issue, not the transactional nature of the relationship.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/03/23 01:02 PM
2	Do you think there's anything wrong with men to filtering out promiscuous women for serious relationships? If so, why? A relationship is with a person that supports you through life, it’s a partnership. A partnership is a transaction, I do X so you can do Y and together we will both have XY. It's a trade, an agreement based on mutually beneficial terms. I don't see an alternative way of thinking about it, am I just supposed to expect my partner to give me love and affection for nothing in return? Obviously I need to offer something back to keep them around.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/03/23 12:52 PM
1	Do you think there's anything wrong with men to filtering out promiscuous women for serious relationships? If so, why? It is a double standard if you expect your partner male or female to meet your standards when you yourself can’t meet then This just isn't what the term "double standard" means, again you are more describing hypocrisy if anything. Maybe I'm being pedantic. Your doctor is a person paid to treat you, not someone you have to date, they provide a service to you All relationships are transactional, a women puts herself on offer and I put myself on offer. She provides herself to me in exchange for me …	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/03/23 12:38 PM
1	Do you think there's anything wrong with men to filtering out promiscuous women for serious relationships? If so, why? Double standard are behaviours you expect from others yet you yourself ignore A double standard is setting two different standards for the same position. It would be a double standard if I was willing to date men with high N count but not women with high N count. Most men who don't like high N women aren't dating high N men so it's not holding different standards for men and women. You're more describing hypocrisy but it's not really that either. Since you are not dating yourself, obviously your…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/03/23 12:02 PM
1	Why isn't the plight of unattractive women ever talked about? I'd try to escalate things while maintaining plausible deniability until I was sure, then take the plunge. If she's not interested she'd put up a wall at some point then you could back off like nothing ever happened.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/03/23 04:47 PM
10	Why isn't the plight of unattractive women ever talked about? I think young guys especially treat ugly women bad. I never used an ugly girl for sex or whatever, but even I used to do this thing where if an ugly chick had a crush on me I would pretend not to know and not shut it down because I liked the validation of it all. Pretty immature but yeah, in high school kids were pretty brutal even to normal looking girls sometimes. When you get older though I think this goes away for most guys, college and beyond was a lot different in my experience, but maybe …	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/03/23 01:00 PM
2	How can Facebook Groups like Are We Dating The Same Guy Balance Female Safety and Male Privacy? Once they've paid their debt to society that should be that. If someone agrees with your outlook here they will date someone with a criminal record even if they know about it. If you want to create a society of forgiveness I think you should do it through cultural change, not restricting people's access to information forcing them to accept someone they otherwise wouldn't.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/03/23 11:55 AM
7	How can Facebook Groups like Are We Dating The Same Guy Balance Female Safety and Male Privacy? If some girl doesn't go on a date with you because a stranger (to them) wrote "bad vibes red flags" about you with no supporting evidence or justification, then you aren't missing out on anything. Sounds like these groups do atleast some good even in your area by exposing cheaters. I don't see the harm they do.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/03/23 11:32 AM
1	For the first time since 2010, the percent of women under 35 who have not had sex in the last year has surpassed that of similar aged men They also had to change their methodology a bit for the corona virus, they normally do in person interviews apparently. I don't know if that matters but it's worth noting. I think the next survey results will be pretty interesting.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/03/23 03:33 AM
1	RP men don’t like women, they’re just attracted to them I should have been more clear, I'm not saying video games are bad necessarily, I play them myself. Since he pointed out it's common for women to use social media too much, I was just showing men have their own issues with instant gratification.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/03/23 11:22 PM
2	RP men don’t like women, they’re just attracted to them Not really, I think women can get away with being a bit more boring because men are more visual with their attraction but I think people in general arent working hard to be interesting. Like a lot of dudes just play video games and smoke weed with most of their free time, you'll see women avoid men who play video games specifically for that reason. In general though, most people are kind of in the middle, they'll have interests and things they know about and can have an interesting conversation …	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/03/23 10:31 PM
0	RP men don’t like women, they’re just attracted to them Are men any different though? Or do you just not like people in general?	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/03/23 10:13 PM
3	The 'Sexlessness Rise' is not specifically male-driven The issue is 1. the sample size was only a bit over 100 for each gender, and 2. the rates reversed the very next survey wherein 28% of women and 18% of men reported no sex in the past year. This means that this 10% gap was likely mostly the result of the low sample size. What was the sample size of the 2021 survey? I have never seen the actual survey results themselves, wasn't aware they increased the sample size. I had always thought the difference in 2021 data was the due to the difference in …	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/03/23 03:13 PM
19	Men aren’t creepy or gross for preferring young adult women I think you linked the wrong link, this just says people have larger age gaps when they remarry. Which makes sense, people have larger age gaps when they are older generally. Like a 50 year old with a 40 year old is more common than a 30 year old with a 20 year old. Average age of first marriage is like late 20s, so a 10 year age gap is pretty much impossible.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/03/23 01:52 PM
1	Are my standards too high or are many peoples standards too low? It just depends on the person and if they are getting what they want. I think there's a tendency for people to make standards that are a bit too restrictive because they make bad assumptions about what dating certain people would be like. Common example is "I don't date people who are X race" or something. At the end of the day though if you are finding partners who you like or you don't mind waiting for a partner it doesn't really matter what your standards are.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/03/23 05:15 AM
3	The issue is not dying alone, but spending most of your life alone They should probably work on themselves and/or lower their standards.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/23 09:00 PM
1	Most people are average and they are happy The average person isn't the numerical average at everything. The average for arms is like 1.99, but nobody has that. Usually you have some things you are good at (above average, usually related to your hobbies and how you spend your time) and some things you are bad at and it evens out to be about average. That's how a typical average life is. In short, just because you're average doesn't mean you arent good at anything.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/03/23 01:03 PM
10	Both sides are offering a fantasy. Blue pill = "For personality: improve confidence, humour, don't be boring, be emotionally available and vulnurable, don't be an asshole, be yourself. For physical appearance: improve grooming, fitness, hygeine, clothing that fits, don't look like you're trying to hard. In a relationship, help around the house, don't be lazy (e.g. put in effort on special occasions), be understanding" That's all pretty standard advice you will get from literally anywhere. Nobody on earth gives the advice "just in…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/03/23 12:25 PM
1	What do women first think of when trying to obtain a man? What do you mean by "representation of myself"? Do you mean how you would look like with out any artificial modification? I would agree it's a spectrum, but everyone exists on that spectrum. Nobody looks like a cave man, we all modify our appearances. Women might do it more but it seems arbitrary to draw the line of what is "honest" between where the average woman sits and where the average man sits on that spectrum. Personally, I don't draw a line anywhere. Unless someone is actually lying abou…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/23 11:10 PM
11	What do you think of men wearing shoe lifts to appear taller? I don't think it's worth it, I think her knowing you're the type of guy who would wear lifts would be more of a turn off than being 1 or 2 inches shorter. They will probably assume you are insecure or a weirdo in general. I could be wrong though, if you do it definitely don't draw attention to the fact you are wearing them purposefully.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/23 09:47 PM
1	What do women first think of when trying to obtain a man? It's a distinction without a difference. Both are artificially modifying your appearance to be different then it would be naturally. I don't think taking away features or adding features makes a difference.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/23 09:30 PM
3	What do women first think of when trying to obtain a man? What do you mean by "representative of yourself", I would argue you can represent your interests and personality a lot more by artificial means e.g. tattoos, makeup, hair product, dye etc. than just how you naturally look. This line seems super arbitrary to me as well, naturally we all look like cave men and women, I don't know why using razor blades is fair game but pigments is not.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/23 09:11 PM
5	What do women first think of when trying to obtain a man? Everyone artificially makes themselves more attractive whether it's through tattoos, jewelery, accessories, hair products, deodorant, perfume, make up etc. The purpose is self expression, to look how you want to look, and be perceived how you want to be perceived.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/23 08:53 PM
6	CMV: individual women take general criticisms of female behavior personally because they are solipsistic, invalidating the purpose of this sub AWALT is deliberate hyperbole for effect. This depends on the specific redpiller you're talking to. It can range from "this is female nature, no exceptions" to "vast majority are like that with some outliers" to "most women are like that" to "doesn't matter how many women fit the mould, treat all guns as loaded". I have heard all of these, just depends on what is convenient or the data available.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/02/23 03:59 PM
4	CMV: individual women take general criticisms of female behavior personally because they are solipsistic, invalidating the purpose of this sub They say AWALT not SWALT or MWALT for a reason	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/02/23 01:57 PM
1	Describe the personality of your ideal partner using the big five traits Me, I’m just neurotic. If you think your husband is a good judge of character, you should ask him what he thinks you would rank in each of these, and see how it lines up with your own perception. Even if you did a quiz or something.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/02/23 02:29 PM
13	Seen repeated claims “there are more attractive women then men.” Everyone is already mentioning differences in effort, which is true, I'll also add though that men have higher sex drive and are more visual when it comes to sexual arousal. I think a statement like "women are physically more attractive to men than men are physically attractive to women" might be true on a biological level. Infact, that might be the source of the difference in effort in the first place... Or perhaps the difference in effort came first and the difference in response to visual sti…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/02/23 01:48 AM
3	Why do people think that individual men are responsible for women value in regards to body count? It was just an example of how asking someone's body count can come up in conversation organically.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/02/23 01:27 AM
3	Why do people think that individual men are responsible for women value in regards to body count? To be fair literally any topic coming up out of the blue like that sounds ridiculous. "How was your day? Oh yeah great, what type of leukemia killed your mom?" Usually you would ask the question when it's relevant to the conversation. Idk it's pretty easy to imagine scenarios where it comes up even if it never happened to you, for example, you have a conversation about STDs and say: "Oh really? I've never actually had an STD, but I've only been with like 4 people" "Oh wow so little?" "Yeah, only…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/02/23 01:03 AM
3	"Be her friend first" or "Make your intentions known" - Which is it? They are whatever you think they are, fact is most women think men who are awkward around women are creepy. Men generally do not think women who are awkward around men are creepy. Same way women find men who are tall more attractive but men do not find women who are tall more attractive. Just look for a woman who doesn't find awkwardness creepy or stop being awkward. Exceptions always exist	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/23 10:15 PM
1	Does female attraction to men work different? Ive always thought it was more complex compared to how men think. It depends what you mean here. If you mean consciously thinking about having sex or like imagining yourself having sex with her I 100% disagree. Usually there is an urge to get a better look at her, if you interpret that as your subconscious thinking about having sex with her or whatever then maybe. In terms of what you are consciously thinking though "wow she's pretty" or like "damn that ass" is probably closer than thinking about having sex with her. Maybe if you see her regularly for a while …	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/02/23 02:45 AM
0	Dating for a women is like shopping on Amazon where as a mans experience resembles building a niche small bussiness from the ground up How would she know which numbers belong to spam callers and which numbers are important callers before calling? If anything calling herself might make it more likely to be a spammer since she's serving herself up on a platter.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/02/23 12:47 PM
43	Women often complain about lack of male friendships and getting "fuckzoned". But the truth is, women generally just aren't as good of friends as men. Are you under the impression men never exploit their friends? This isn't really a woman thing. The only reason this might happen more in mixed friendships is because there are no men who want to be exploited by their male friends, but there are guys who want to be exploited by women. As long as your not one of those guys, you are just as likely to meet an exploitative man as you are to meet an exploitative woman.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/11/22 12:54 AM
3	Modern men's standards are just as unrealistic as women's As long as a woman thinks you look decent, likes your personality, and respects you that really should be enough. It really isnt anymore because women can earn their own money. Traditionally men didn't care about this because other aspects of them were so much more important due to the way our workforce was structured. As we approach parity in higher earning positions men (women doing more masculine things) men are going to be required to do more feminine things (caring about appearance, house w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/11/22 04:05 PM
2	Why do you believe that men have an obligation to disclose their intentions to you? Agreeing to a date is saying something. You had said "not say anything on the subject". I interpreted that to mean on the subject of the thing your misleading about. For example, giving the pool float dimensions but omitting the units. If you meant it so broadly idk how agreeing to go on a date with a woman who you know is only interested in a long term relationship isn't "saying something" about your willingness to pursue her for a long term relationship.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/10/22 10:28 PM
1	The idea that women will hit the wall and will suddenly need men and give lower SMV guys a chance seems like a bluepill fantasy to me Most of those "high value" guys in their late 30s early 40s will have already had kids in a prior relationship or just dont want kids. Those guys aren't going to really care much about fertility. It's a completely different stage in their life. Most people will have had their kids by that age especially higher value men. Now if the woman herself wants kids she should probably be aiming to have them in her early 30s, mid thirties at the latest. I would agree with that. But that's not because nobo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/10/22 10:14 PM
1	The idea that women will hit the wall and will suddenly need men and give lower SMV guys a chance seems like a bluepill fantasy to me It's larger than anything you have put forth here. For the actors, I chose men that were not only celebrities but celebrities who were known for their sex appeal. Essentially the highest high value guys who could have their pick of litter. Guys who are not of that status don't get their pick necessarily, and the lower you go down the less it represents what a man wants and the more it represents what a man can get. What would you need to see to change your view on this?	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/10/22 09:21 PM
6	The idea that women will hit the wall and will suddenly need men and give lower SMV guys a chance seems like a bluepill fantasy to me It is the point, you were saying a woman's "high value" options drop off "a lot" after 30. Seems like most high value men in their late 30s early 40s are into women over 30. Like you said, a high value man gets what he wants, seems a lot of them prefer the 30 year olds over 20 year olds. The 30 year old woman just needs to be "high value" herself.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/10/22 08:32 PM
5	The idea that women will hit the wall and will suddenly need men and give lower SMV guys a chance seems like a bluepill fantasy to me Leonardo DiCaprio is really high value, because there is a constant queue of beautiful women wanting to date him. That's why he can afford dating only young women below 25 despite him being much older. Is Leo's extreme preference for younger women even the norm in hollywood? Guys like Channing Tatum, Robert Downey Jr., Henry Cavill, Ryan Gosling, Chris Evans (though he is currently single) all seem to have started dating women in their 30s while they are in their 30s or early 40s (<10 year age g…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/10/22 05:14 PM
7	Why do you believe that men have an obligation to disclose their intentions to you? You can't mislead people if you don't say anything. You absolutely can. If you have an ad for a pool float online and don't list the dimensions, you will be misleading people if it turns out to be 2 inches wide. If you know people are going to extrapolate based on some information you give them (whether it's through an action, your words, a picture) and you deliberately withhold information so that they will behave in a way that is beneficial to you, then you are mislead them. If you go on a dat…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/10/22 11:50 AM
18	Why do you believe that men have an obligation to disclose their intentions to you? Lying by omission is when you only tell part of the truth to mislead the other party. Simply not saying anything on the subject is not "lying by omission". This is not my understanding of a lie by omission. My understanding is that a lie by omission occurs when you leave out pertinent information with the goal of misleading someone. For example if you go on a date with someone you would expect they would have romantic/sexual interest, if they do not and don't say so I would say that's a lie by o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/10/22 01:37 AM
32	Why do you believe that men have an obligation to disclose their intentions to you? Ever heard of the term "lie by omission"? If you know she is only looking for something long term and you know you don't want something long term, the right thing to do is tell her or break it off. Otherwise you are just wasting their time, which is inconsiderate. It's essentially the same thing as a foodie call. If she's open to casual stuff or you haven't decided if you want to pursue it long term that's different of course.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/10/22 01:19 AM
9	For all this talk of “the Wall”, I think in big cities (certainly London in my experience), men need to be alive to the fact that there are a lot of women out there who are totally fine with remaining single well into their thirties and potentially forever I don't know about where you live but elder care became a hot button issue where I live in the wake of the pandemic. Whenever there was an outbreak at a senior home people took notice of the living conditions there, it became a bit of an election issue as well. I do agree that the conditions old people live in when they are no longer able to be independent have been pretty shitty, but I think living conditions for older people will get much better over the next decade. Atleast, that's where the …	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/10/22 01:17 PM
5	Can you tell when you've encountered a "post-wall woman?" What are they like? Realistically the difference in quality of men between settling down in your late 20s and early 20s is not going to be that big for a woman. Marriages in your late 20s early 30s are much more likely to succeed than marriages in your early 20s as well. Tying yourself down to partner limits your ability to move around and explore opportunities. Probably best for them to explore their options, gain experiences and use those experiences to get a quality compatible partner after they have reached a p…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/10/22 12:19 AM
1	Is women's attraction influenced by other things beside physical attraction, or do women just make exceptions for men with success and money? That's not really what I was getting at. I think confidence is an attractive trait in and of itself. But "ambition" and "drive", you need to be making money or have some status that she cares about for it to matter.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/10/22 02:59 PM
1	Is women's attraction influenced by other things beside physical attraction, or do women just make exceptions for men with success and money? This is backwards, women don't care inherently about things like ambition. If you're driven or ambitious about something no one else cares about and isn't monetizeable then women do not care, and will often think you are weird for caring so much about such a niche and pointless thing. Women want the lifestyle that comes with money, it is what it is. You can get that money through talent or fraud it doesn't matter. Typically a person who has inheretence will have less status than someone who earn…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/10/22 12:44 PM
3	Why is porn hated by so many women? Porn addiction often exacerbated the issue for various reason, one big one being instant gratification Well this isn't necessarily related to porn though right? Sounds more like the issue is with addiction to things that give instant gratification more broadly. However, as for learning, rather than looking at a woman to learn how she reacts I would recommend verbal communication instead. I agree that's the best way sure. I chose to word it that way so that people couldnt reply that the woman cou…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/10/22 08:52 PM
3	Why is porn hated by so many women? If a dude is getting lots of sex, it doesn't matter if he watches porn or not he'll have the opportunity to figure out how to please a woman. He would just need to look at the woman, her body language and her attitude towards sex (is it a chore), then adjust his methods accordingly. If the guy doesn't learn, it's not because of porn, it's because they never cared about their partner's pleasure to begin with. The porn sick thing really only affects men who don't get laid much and try to reenact t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/10/22 04:02 PM
1	Why is if considered offensive to ask women what they bring to the table? If you are happy and content being alone, you can't get pressured into settling for a suboptimal relationship Of course you can always choose to be alone forever, my point was just that if you want a relationship in your 30s you will need to be more pragmatic about it than in your 20s. Waiting for it to happen organically isn't an option when potential partners are fewer and fewer and farther between. Then when you do finally meet one they aren't going to want their time wasted because overwhelm…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/10/22 11:58 AM
1	Why is if considered offensive to ask women what they bring to the table? Typically, when you are older you are not surrounded by single people like you were when you were young. people are quickly pairing off, and there is mounting pressure to move on to the next stage of life. As a result, people date with purpose and a lot more pragmatically. You don't have the luxury of just waiting to fall in love with someone by chance. It still happens, but it is rarer. The way you and your partner got together sounds like a much more "human" way to get together, I think everyo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/10/22 11:32 PM
1	men who think "if a woman can get an abortion, I should be able to not pay child support or to not be a father for them" In our example the woman is claiming value from the man on account of additional burden. No he is paying for his offspring whom he was responsible for creating. If the planting of the bomb is moral, then the planter is not responsible for subsequent immoral actions so your example doesn't work either. It's not immoral in and of itself, obviously it's immoral if it's in service of a greater plot to kill people. I'm just saying you can't back out of the plot after you've already done your part. Yo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/10/22 11:11 PM
1	men who think "if a woman can get an abortion, I should be able to not pay child support or to not be a father for them" That shows contribution to creation, which is distinct to moral It's about responsibility, who is responsible for manufacturing the weapon? The last person on the assembly line or everyone who willingly and knowingly participated in the assembly line, together? It seems obvious it would be the latter to me. You seem to be suggesting it would be the former because the last guy could have decided to throw the incomplete weapon in the trash undoing the work of those who preceded. planting of a bomb…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/10/22 09:01 PM
0	men who think "if a woman can get an abortion, I should be able to not pay child support or to not be a father for them" Women pay for children they don't want all the time. You can't just stop feeding your 5 year old because you decide after the fact you no longer want to be responsible for your decisions. Men and women have different roles in reproduction, but once you have completed your role you are on the hook for the result. That's true for both men and women. You make your decision and live with it. What you want is for men to be able to reproduce without having to pay for their offspring, that would be som…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/10/22 12:15 PM
1	men who think "if a woman can get an abortion, I should be able to not pay child support or to not be a father for them" And he understands the result of conception is child birth, and has accepted the consequences of that child birth. If I decide hire a hitman and they carry out their mission, it doesn't matter if I change my mind past the point of no return I already made my decision, I am accountable for that decision. I can't say "I just hired them, I had no control over whether or not they actually killed the person". If you conceive a child you have completed your role in reproduction, it doesn't matter if y…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/10/22 11:51 AM
1	men who think "if a woman can get an abortion, I should be able to not pay child support or to not be a father for them" Men don't create children Yes they do, we are a sexual species and it requires two parties to create a child. To say men create children is to say gun manufacturers kill people This would be more like saying the only one who manufactures guns is the guy who puts it in the box since that's the last step of the process. If I plant a bomb and someone else detonates it I am still at fault as well as the detonator, even if I change my mind after planting it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/10/22 12:33 AM
-3	men who think "if a woman can get an abortion, I should be able to not pay child support or to not be a father for them" Or, put another way, autonomous women making independent decisions about their lives should not expect men to finance their choice. He isn't financing a decision she made. He is financing a decision he made himself. If you choose to fulfill your role in reproduction, you are on the hook for the consequences of that decision. This is true for men and women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/10/22 12:18 AM
3	Older men (30+) who specifically want young, inexperienced women (18-23) under the pretense of them having "less baggage", actually just want women with the specific TYPE of baggage (daddy issues / parental trauma) that would make them easier targets for predatory men in the first place. and this age gap discourse is a lashing out by women who missed the boat If I asked them they would probably tell me the age gap thing is a revenge fantasy for men who struggled to date their similarly aged peers in their 20s. I think the truth is that your age will negatively affect you to an extent but as long you have shit to make up for it you'll be able to find women who are into that. It's similar to a promiscuous women, generally men like it less but if she's gorgeous she's not going to h…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/10/22 03:16 PM
5	Older men (30+) who specifically want young, inexperienced women (18-23) under the pretense of them having "less baggage", actually just want women with the specific TYPE of baggage (daddy issues / parental trauma) that would make them easier targets for predatory men in the first place. I could ask them, according to this survey the number is about 30% of women have dated someone 10 years older. (20% of men have dated a woman 10 years older). This doesn't have a breakdown by age though so there could be a lot of 30 year olds dating 40 year olds which I find more common. Either way it's a minority. Ignore their words. Ask them If I am asking them then I am naturally relying on their words.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/10/22 02:50 PM
7	Older men (30+) who specifically want young, inexperienced women (18-23) under the pretense of them having "less baggage", actually just want women with the specific TYPE of baggage (daddy issues / parental trauma) that would make them easier targets for predatory men in the first place. I know a billion girls, they all said they hate older men. Seriously though, we know that the men women find most attractive are slightly older. We know the relationships where women report the greatest satisfaction are 1-3 year gaps. We also know theese are the most common age gaps, if women preferred older men then it would be the norm that younger women would be with older men. As it is, older dudes go for younger women and get curved consistently. I'm not saying it's impossible for an older …	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/10/22 02:28 PM
6	Older men (30+) who specifically want young, inexperienced women (18-23) under the pretense of them having "less baggage", actually just want women with the specific TYPE of baggage (daddy issues / parental trauma) that would make them easier targets for predatory men in the first place. That's true for any negative triait, you can offset it by being exceptional in other areas. Even if you are a short fat ugly old dude with no game you can get a sugar baby for the right price. But by waiting you're putting yourself at a disadvantage to begin with, women prefer men there own age or slightly older.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/10/22 01:59 PM
1	Older men (30+) who specifically want young, inexperienced women (18-23) under the pretense of them having "less baggage", actually just want women with the specific TYPE of baggage (daddy issues / parental trauma) that would make them easier targets for predatory men in the first place. Men have more suitors in their 30s but those suitors are women in their 30s whom were not chosen in their 20s. You also lose out on the majority of young women who don't want a large age gap. Also on "capitalizing" on a woman's peak, marriage in your early 20s is prone to failure. I think women should wait till they are in their mid to late 20s to marry even if that isn't their physical peak or the point when they are in highest demand. They are more experienced and can make a better decision fo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/10/22 12:29 PM
6	Older men (30+) who specifically want young, inexperienced women (18-23) under the pretense of them having "less baggage", actually just want women with the specific TYPE of baggage (daddy issues / parental trauma) that would make them easier targets for predatory men in the first place. It's more just survivorship bias and it exists for men too. The best quality men and women (for relationships) get locked down in their 20s.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/10/22 12:19 PM
7	Older men (30+) who specifically want young, inexperienced women (18-23) under the pretense of them having "less baggage", actually just want women with the specific TYPE of baggage (daddy issues / parental trauma) that would make them easier targets for predatory men in the first place. I disagree that there's a huge difference, if a woman takes care of herself and was attractive in her 20s she will be in her thirties. However most attractive 30 year old women are taken and an attractive 20 year old will remain attractive for longer.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/10/22 12:13 PM
2	Men on ppd are adamant that women don’t want to accept the fact that the majority of men are disgusted by promiscuous women, while refusing to accept that the majority of young women do not find men 10+ years older than them attractive I've seen promiscuous women make the same arguments you are here, that they have never had a problem dating, men don't even ask, that men even prefer it because they are more experienced etc etc. At the end of the day, it's probably not hard for a 30 year old man to get what he wants in the dating market IF he has his shit together. It's also not hard for a promiscuous woman either IF she has her shit together. But looking at things statistically, women tend to want men who are about their own a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/10/22 09:42 PM
24	Men on ppd are adamant that women don’t want to accept the fact that the majority of men are disgusted by promiscuous women, while refusing to accept that the majority of young women do not find men 10+ years older than them attractive Is your argument here that women want men who are 10 years older than them but can't get them because of their own short comings? I don't get what you're suggesting	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/10/22 09:13 PM
2	The patriarchy and toxic masculinity exist, but women play a role in it too by selecting men with toxic traits. This has been my experience as well, but to be fair you should cite something here if you're going to ask for a source then make an assertion like this immediately after.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/10/22 06:11 PM
4	Are women happy with the current state of dating? Everyone is picky about who they get into relationships with, naturally. Men who can't get sex outside of relationships will actually probably be easier to secure commitment with then 90% of women. But obviously if they can't get sex outside of relationships there's going to be something wrong with him.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/22 12:49 AM
2	What's a good argument against the concept of hypergamy? The issue with the concept of "hypergamy" is that it framed as women trying to "date up" or be with someone better than themselves. Even in this post you talk about "hypergamy" is a bad or negative thing, it's not. The reality is everyone seeks the best partner they can get, we just value different things. If men don't value a woman's earnings as much as a woman values how much a man makes, they will tend to be with men who make more than them. Same way men value youth more than women do, so men…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/08/22 01:15 PM
2	What do men think of the Pink pill? There was no option to take no pill, you either stayed in the matrix or you took the redpill.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/22 01:28 PM
3	What do men think of the Pink pill? Blue pill is just what normal people think about dating dynamics and what women want.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/22 01:11 AM
5	If your romantic frustrations are causing your sadness then YES, handling this part of your life WILL get rid of the sadness I'm not sure I get what you mean. If you have a 30 ft couch that can't fit through a normal sizee door, both statements "the couch is too big" and "the door is too small" mean the same thing, the problem is the same. It's just different ways of framing it. I wasn't saying it's not because they aren't attractive enough to attract women they want, that is also true, but it's just an alternate framing to "their standards are too high." How we frame something is just whatever's most useful, it's not…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/08/22 05:15 PM
6	If your romantic frustrations are causing your sadness then YES, handling this part of your life WILL get rid of the sadness You can frame it either way, a fat chick who wants a millionaire is either not attractive enough to attract a millionaire or her standards are too high, it's the same thing. Either way your options are to improve, lower your standards or check out of the game altogether. I chose to frame it as "your standards are too high" because I find people are allergic to responsibility in dating (men and women alike). They will always claim the reason they are unattractive is some immutable characteristic …	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/08/22 04:14 PM
7	If your romantic frustrations are causing your sadness then YES, handling this part of your life WILL get rid of the sadness Too high =/= high. You can have low standards but still have standards that are too high for what you offer her. If you are having a really hard time attracting a "normal" woman then a fat single mom with a high body count is probably what's in your league.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/08/22 03:56 PM
9	If your romantic frustrations are causing your sadness then YES, handling this part of your life WILL get rid of the sadness This isn't even remotely true, even on this sub most guys who complain about being perpetually single are constantly asking where they can go to meet women. If they don't even know where to go to meet women, they probably aren't meeting many women, which means they need to put themselves out there more. The guys on this sub also shit talk single moms, promiscuous women and fat women constantly, even though that's probably what's in their league if they have that hard a time dating.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/08/22 03:52 PM
7	If your romantic frustrations are causing your sadness then YES, handling this part of your life WILL get rid of the sadness If it's happening it's because his standards are too high or he's just not putting himself out there enough. This is not a common thing, I'm willing to bet most people who can't find any dates rarely leave the house	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/08/22 02:18 PM
5	If your romantic frustrations are causing your sadness then YES, handling this part of your life WILL get rid of the sadness I didn’t dispute your arguments from last paragraph in my OP, you do need these things but they are going to fix your romantic frustrations Sure, to be clear I don't necessarily disagree with your conclusion if all your premises are true. If we know a person's sadness is caused by a lack of a relationship it just logically follows that getting a relationship will fix this problem. It's like saying "CMV if the heater is making the room hot, turning off the heater will make the room cooler", if we…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/08/22 01:58 PM
24	If your romantic frustrations are causing your sadness then YES, handling this part of your life WILL get rid of the sadness If that's the true "root" cause of the sadness then sure, almost tautologically fixing the problem will stop the symptoms of the problem. The issue is a lot of people are hyper fixated on this one aspect of their lives when it's not really the actual problem. A lot of people lack purpose and close platonic relationships, they will rely on their SO to fix all of these things. I was in this situation in my early 20s, dependant on my girl to be my best friend, making a family with her was my only d…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/08/22 01:33 PM
2	what age should you prioritize marriage? Isn't it the case that relationships with larger age gaps are more likely to end in divorce? I don't really see what the advantage is unless you're going for a sugar baby type relationship. I'm not against the concept in principle, if a woman meets a good guy whose older she should go for it. To specifically target older men seems odd to me, though. Most older single people are single for a reason, and if you marry a young man he will be old eventually (hopefully).	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/22 03:51 AM
1	The argument of "just lower your standards" to undesirable men is misguided since they have no option that is being filtered out by their standards It doesn't matter that some down syndrome guy got lucky somewhere, a lot of guys still have no options. The woman who dated the down syndrome guy was an option for any of those men with "no options" before she got married. Idk where the disconnect is, the exception is all the evidence you need to show that an option exists, if a woman is willing to marry a guy with lower smv/rmv then she would be willing to date you as well. I don't even know if this is that exceptional either, I wouldn't be sur…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/08/22 02:58 PM
0	The argument of "just lower your standards" to undesirable men is misguided since they have no option that is being filtered out by their standards Really, you really think every fat guy with down syndrome is married? No, and there are women with down syndrome who can't get married either. My point was that the existence of developmentally disabled men who have options shows that the bar is exceedingly for having options, "lower your standards" is going to work for the vast majority of sexless men. I don't think it's good advice for anyone really, men or women, but it will work (assuming the person is socially active).	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/08/22 02:26 PM
2	The argument of "just lower your standards" to undesirable men is misguided since they have no option that is being filtered out by their standards Everyone has options dog. Fat dudes with down syndrome have wives lol, are you really worse than those men? Or do you just refuse to date fat unemployed single moms with an only fans?	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/08/22 02:14 PM
2	Q4W: How does women being able to"smell misoginy" line up with women who end up being in abusive relationships? Nobody has ever claimed women can read minds, nobody thinks women have super powers.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/22 01:32 PM
28	Do you think the same thing as in Japan is gonna happen to the entire world when western lifestyle/values/culture spreads everywhere? And this study also shows on page 14 that 43% of men have never watched porn before lol. I am doubtful this is representative.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/22 01:21 PM
1	Large Metastudy Finding Masculine Traits Predictive of Mating Outcomes They would say your questions are silly and women have all sorts of preferences This is true though, women do have all sorts of preferences. That's why you need to specify the average women or say women generally. Nobody is going to disagree with what the general trend is, there's a reason men lie about their height and muscles indicate the attractive guy in most media. Everyone knows what women generally prefer, but they aren't a hive mind and there is significant disagreement amongst women abo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/06/22 06:13 PM
3	Large Metastudy Finding Masculine Traits Predictive of Mating Outcomes Blue pillers are just everyday people. If I handed out a quiz offering 10$ for each correct answer asking: Does the average woman prefer: Tall men or short men Physically strong men or weak men Men with high pitched voices or low pitched voices What do you think the average score would be? Do you honestly believe most people would get this wrong? This is what the study specifically looked at.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/06/22 04:37 PM
2	Large Metastudy Finding Masculine Traits Predictive of Mating Outcomes Did she say that women generally prefer effeminate men? Particularly the traits in this study (shorter, less muscular, higher voiced men)? If not, I've still never seen it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/06/22 01:57 PM
3	Large Metastudy Finding Masculine Traits Predictive of Mating Outcomes absolutely exceptional in some other area of life to make up for it. Ok so this study in the OP doesn't show this, it only sought to demonstrate masculinity predicts mating success better than random. It's possibly you can make an argument on this by looking at effect sizes but I don't have time to do that right now.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/06/22 01:23 PM
4	Large Metastudy Finding Masculine Traits Predictive of Mating Outcomes That's a totally separate argument. It's conceivable that women would prefer effeminate traits and have high standards, for example if hypothetically women refused to date men who were taller than 5'4" that would be an unreasonably high standard for a feminine trait.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/06/22 01:08 PM
-3	Large Metastudy Finding Masculine Traits Predictive of Mating Outcomes I've never seen it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/06/22 12:01 PM
5	Large Metastudy Finding Masculine Traits Predictive of Mating Outcomes Do you think they are trying to communicate that women don't view being short fat or bald as a negative? Or do you think they are trying to say you can make up for these traits through other positive traits?	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/06/22 11:58 AM
5	Large Metastudy Finding Masculine Traits Predictive of Mating Outcomes Who was arguing that masculine men aren't typically more attractive to women? The closest to that I have seen is that women are not a monolith, they might prefer masculinity in agregate but there are plenty of women who dont. Also that some women here say a lot of women like pretty boys, which may explain why the study in the OP found that facial masculinity exerts virtually no influence on mating when moderated by female choice. Where are people arguing that short men, men with high voices, or …	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/06/22 11:45 AM
3	Honestly, what do you think when you see adult men following younger girls on social media? I agree with you for the most part but there are dudes who I followed then found out later they were like 17/16. I haven't met a girl like this but I am a man with masculine interests. I imagine some of the makeup tutorial women on YouTube might be younger than you expect and older women (20s-30s) still follow their content for example. It's probably possible for a younger girl to make good content that appeals to men but I imagine that's the exception rather than the norm	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/22 12:45 PM
2	How do guys pick which girls to go for if most girls kind of look the same? Women also have more options clothing wise than men too, usually they dress more expressively, and of course the options they get with makeup. I agree you can usually guess if a woman is your type just by the choices she made about her appearance.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/05/22 01:42 AM
1	Strategic pluralism: the scientific name for "alpha fucks beta bucks" Do you support the death penalty for paternity fraud?	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/05/22 06:56 PM
1	Strategic pluralism: the scientific name for "alpha fucks beta bucks" I mean no one is defending killing the kids here They are explicitly saying he is not at fault for the murders, that's what the word "blame" means. I can empathize with someone being upset in such a situation, I can't empathize with someone murdering someone else due to being upset. Especially not the children, but even the mother didn't deserve to be killed.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/05/22 02:06 PM
1	Women here constantly respond to every complaint by men with some variation of “women don’t owe you sex” or “sorry you can’t get your dick wet” and basically imply that sex is all that men want from women. This is obviously false and used to once again diminish our struggles. Yeah these people no doubt exist outside the internet, but I imagine there are more here than offline. Atleast I think that's the case based on my own experience.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/05/22 11:03 AM
5	Women here constantly respond to every complaint by men with some variation of “women don’t owe you sex” or “sorry you can’t get your dick wet” and basically imply that sex is all that men want from women. This is obviously false and used to once again diminish our struggles. Idk if you have never seen the "you can't fuck a degree" thing but it's almost always in response to an over 30s "post wall" woman who makes good money and is struggling to find an LTR. I don't think women who are over 30 struggle to find casual sex if they want it. It seems obvious to me that by saying "of course it doesn't make you more attractive as a long term partner, you can't fuck it" you are implying that the things that make you a valueable partner are things you can fuck. I'm just poin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/22 01:51 PM
12	Women here constantly respond to every complaint by men with some variation of “women don’t owe you sex” or “sorry you can’t get your dick wet” and basically imply that sex is all that men want from women. This is obviously false and used to once again diminish our struggles. "you can't fuck a degree" implies that if you can't fuck it you dont care about it. This isn't talking about casual relationships, no woman is complaining that they can't get casual relationships because their degree is under valued.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/22 01:15 PM
15	Women here constantly respond to every complaint by men with some variation of “women don’t owe you sex” or “sorry you can’t get your dick wet” and basically imply that sex is all that men want from women. This is obviously false and used to once again diminish our struggles. Wait really? This sub is one of the worst places for discourse about this topic in particular. If a woman based her view of men on the comments in this sub she would think men only value her pussy 100%. This is one of the few subs on Reddit you will get upvoted for a comment like: "Education doesn't make women more attractive. You can't fuck a degree"	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/22 01:11 PM
1	Women. What percentage of men do you meet in your regular day to day basis that you are attracted to? https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/tgsgy5/men_women_of_ppd_rating/ Is the thread The pics are here: https://imgur.com/a/BuE80Q0 They're all pretty but an ugly woman probably isn't going to volunteer their photos like that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/03/22 12:00 PM
24	It makes sense that women’s standards are “high”, and they are avoiding the majority of men, when men are basically saying that being with a man lowers a woman’s value This phenomenon is rooted in insecurity. I see the reverse online all the time as well, girl doesn't sleep with them first night? Can't be that she's tired or had a bad day at work or is on her period or any other normal explanation. It has to be that she thinks they are a disgusting loser whose only value is the money they might one day provide, that's the only explanation that makes sense to them. Especially if she's slept with another dude faster at some point in her life.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/22 08:40 PM
1	Introverts are more likely to be involuntarily single. Thus confirming that you have to 'put yourself out there' in order to meet people and develop interactions that turn into relationships. This is a hard truth for many So I read the link and I am right about what I said. You are mixing up cause and effect. I'm saying the same thing that causes them to not have friends as children is causing them to struggle with romantic relationships as an adult. Idk how I could have this backwards, are you saying their autism and cluster C personality disorder that they had since childhood was caused by their adult virginity? Nope, that survey never said that lol. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/ntscbc/new…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/03/22 08:16 PM
1	Introverts are more likely to be involuntarily single. Thus confirming that you have to 'put yourself out there' in order to meet people and develop interactions that turn into relationships. This is a hard truth for many https://www.reveddit.com/v/PurplePillDebate/comments/s3wzb5/metaanalysis_many_studies_show_that_adult_virgins/?ps_after=1642187566%2C1642211874 Sorry I thought you knew how to view removed posts. Telegraph’s study showed that 55% of men were sexless involuntary The same survey that reported 43% of men had never watched porn before? I am somewhat skeptical of these numbers . That said, this stat is meaningless on it's own, you could sit in your basement playing video games with your friends every…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/03/22 06:47 PM
1	Introverts are more likely to be involuntarily single. Thus confirming that you have to 'put yourself out there' in order to meet people and develop interactions that turn into relationships. This is a hard truth for many I am speaking specifically about mental health issues which impact socialization. Social anxiety, agoraphobia, cluster c etc. It's very rare that a dude who can't get laid at all has a wide group of friends and puts themselves out there regularly. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/s3wzb5/metaanalysis_many_studies_show_that_adult_virgins/ This post had a lot of great sources backing this idea up.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/03/22 06:10 PM
1	Introverts are more likely to be involuntarily single. Thus confirming that you have to 'put yourself out there' in order to meet people and develop interactions that turn into relationships. This is a hard truth for many Well no, most people to tell you to fix your social life or mental health before dating. That's not a controversial take.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/03/22 12:51 PM
1	What do you mean when you refer to the average guy? Look, men in general have a much stronger sex drive than woman. Yeah and the majority of people are straight, this is probably one of the main reasons women on average are more attractive than men. There are other reasons too though, like the fact men don't put as much effort into grooming. Women understand that men want sex (more) So demand is higher.... and it's (harder) for men to have sex, Supply is lower.... And you think their sexual market value is the same? Why? How are you defining thes…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/02/22 09:36 PM
1	What do you mean when you refer to the average guy? You are saying the avg woman attracts more than the avg man. The man is the one doing the approaching most of the time. Do you think women would struggle to find a willing partner if they started approaching? I don't understand. For Casual, the girls are going after guys 2+ SMV higher than them. Yes because the average woman is more sexually attractive than the average man. So an SMV 5 on the female SMV scale would be like a 6 or something on a universal SMV scale which would make her value matc…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/02/22 08:44 PM
2	What do you mean when you refer to the average guy? Who does the initial approach, contact? I don't see the relevance. What you are really trying to view is, is a 5 SMV guy, not as attractive as a 5 SMV girl? Usually what people do is they bell curve attractiveness for men and women and set SMV 5 as the average for the particular sex. They do this because there's not much reason to compare the SMV of a man to a woman, they are different markets. But if we are going to put them on the same scale then absolutely the average male will have a lower S…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/02/22 07:50 PM
1	What do you mean when you refer to the average guy? This crap about women being more attractive So the average woman attracts more people than the average man... but is not more attractive in your view?	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/02/22 02:10 PM
3	Q4W: Do you think women should have sex with their SO if they aren't in the mood? for legit reasons Maybe I'm nitpicking but is there ever reasons that aren't "legit"? It seems weird that there should need to be any other reason than "I don't feel like it", I don't think there should even need to be a reason at all honestly	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/02/22 03:31 AM
2	If older men going for younger women is a redflag as he is using the difference is life experience to potentially manipulate her and take advantage, isn't it the same thing when women with relationship experience date similarly aged men with no relationship experience? According to many Reddit women, a 21 year old woman can’t be trusted enter a consensual relationship with a 35 year old man, but she can: You're reading way too much into this, nobody is saying they are incapable of consent.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/02/22 03:01 AM
4	If older men going for younger women is a redflag as he is using the difference is life experience to potentially manipulate her and take advantage, isn't it the same thing when women with relationship experience date similarly aged men with no relationship experience? however, do you agree? do you feel 13-18 year old girls have a lot of influence over men? I interpreted their comment to mean 13-18 year old girls know they have influence over men aged 13-18 but maybe I am misunderstanding.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/02/22 02:36 AM
1	The rapid societal decline in sex and relationships is solely due to women's lack of interest Most people who marry before 25 get divorced and are back on the market before 30. Divorce rates fall considerably once you get above 25, and more above 30.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/02/22 02:07 PM
1	If you are struggling in dating you are not "high value" I don't know how true that is generally, I think there probably are people like that but the majority of asocial people are fairly unhappy about it and likely have some level of social anxiety around strangers. Once you get to know them though, that anxiety fades. I think many of these people would be happy to have a man who is able to introduce them to a friend group and share experiences with them. I've heard as much on the internet, people wanting someone to pull them out of their shell. I al…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/22 05:15 PM
2	If you are struggling in dating you are not "high value" Seems like a bit of semantics but why would going out consistently not be considered a marker of high value? I don't know many women who would want a date a man like this, I don't think it's just that they don't have the opportunity to meet him. Usually women want a man who is confident and social, there might be exceptions but for the most part being antisocial is going to make you low value. Women will next a dude if he doesn't have enough pics on his Instagram.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/22 03:08 PM
1	There is no fundamental difference between a "fuckboy" and woman serial dater. Promiscuous women aren't necessarily crazy, they probably just like sexual variety, nothing wrong with that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/02/22 01:28 PM
5	Why Do You Think Most Men Instinctively Care About N Count? I don't think that's anomalous, a lot of people are just wired for monogamy. Is your point here that monogamy in general is based in insecurity? That the only reason a guy doesn't let his GF bang other dudes is because he is insecure?	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/02/22 02:03 PM
0	There are 3 types of “Nice Guys”: Boom, you get to reject a guy for being ugly but to everyone else you're shunning a "creep". There's no benefit to doing this, nobody cares what the reason you rejected someone for is. She could just say "he's not my type", no one is going to press them further on it, if anyone even asked to begin with.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/02/22 07:55 PM
4	Why do you think men are more right wing than women? Very true, I'm Canadian and we definitely don't pull our weight. We are closer now than we were though, our PM has pledged to hit that 2% GDP target for 2024 but I guess we'll see. It's funny that when Obama said "the world needs more Canada" he was referring to us not spending enough on defence and taking advantage of the US, but Canadians heard the clip and took it to mean we are good people or something and it became a slogan for a while lol.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/02/22 05:52 PM
1	Is female sexual attraction more binary, whereas male sexual attraction is more of a spectrum? No, morality doesn't apply here, a woman isn't a bad person for rejecting a man based solely on his looks and vice versa. She isn't a bad person but that's because it's not immoral to reject a person not because "sex and relationships exist outside the realm of morality". Can you not envision a time where you can do immoral actions in the context of sex or relationships? You overrate the power of secularism when put up against mother nature, most of the world is heading for a demographic disaste…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/02/22 04:42 PM
2	Is female sexual attraction more binary, whereas male sexual attraction is more of a spectrum? Sex and relationships exist outside the realm of morally Morality applies to every action lol. it would be very easy to justify forced marriage, and we wouldn't want that. In some religions maybe but not for any reasonable secular moral system no.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/02/22 03:16 PM
1	You're now the head of society , you can make 5 laws related to correcting the wrongs you see in the society regarding The so called "Battle of the Sexes". What laws do you pick? The bill not having the votes doesn't mean the proposal was bad. I honestly don't know if it was a bad bill or not, I'm not from California or even America. I just know from looking into this myself for my own country universal systems are more cost effective, whether you pay through taxes or through insurance or through the bill at the hospital shouldn't matter. Idk how you can argue that a system costs too much when it quite literally costs less. You can make arguments about who is paying (hea…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/02/22 10:47 PM
1	You're now the head of society , you can make 5 laws related to correcting the wrongs you see in the society regarding The so called "Battle of the Sexes". What laws do you pick? in contrast to the costs of a SINGLE one of these ideas Every single one? Doesn't the US already pay more per capita on healthcare than most universal systems? https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/01/416416/single-payer-systems-likely-save-money-us-analysis-finds	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/02/22 10:05 PM
1	People who claim "Blue Pill" advice doesn't work didn't actually understand the deeper truth hiding behind it The problem with “be yourself” is that some selves are better prepared for the world than others Why is that a problem? So you’re admitting that people don’t give that advice to the people in their lives right? Instead they tell them where to meet people without being more attractive. What? My point is you would get personalized advice not that they would give you the same advice they gave me. Everyone has different issues in dating. If a lot of women are telling you to try and be nicer maybe th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/02/22 03:01 AM
1	People who claim "Blue Pill" advice doesn't work didn't actually understand the deeper truth hiding behind it If you’re explaining, you’re losing The majority of people understand this concept, the fact that some people take it super literally and stop improving is not my problem. If I advise people to warm up their car and they buy space heaters that's not my problem. When unsuccessful men ask their female friends or their mom how to do better with women, how many of them are going to going to hear Firstly why are you asking your mom for dating advice? Secondly ime friends who are women give very speci…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/02/22 10:00 PM
0	People who claim "Blue Pill" advice doesn't work didn't actually understand the deeper truth hiding behind it then why are you and OP spending so much time adding context We don't need to do this for most people. Keep in mind we're speaking to a group of people who think "hit the gym" isnt blue pill advice. These people unironically believe the average person doesn't know getting fit makes you more attractive. They needed this explained to them 🤣	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/02/22 07:53 PM
3	Do women care about men keeping nudes they've received from women in the past? Imagine finding an old sextape of your wife with her Chad FWB from before you met on her computer or something lmao	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/01/22 02:36 PM
4	How many people here have had their heart broken? All the women who either mistreated or ignored me Ignored you? Lmao. As for mistreatment why don't you take the advice of the wise PPD philosophers and just "take responsibility for your actions and choose a better partner"?	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/01/22 02:59 AM
2	On the topic of Women: Being a "Woman" involves being attractive and well kept Sure but those same professors might have their opinions taken less seriously because they are a woman in a typically male dominated field. I'm an engineer myself (in training currently) and I haven't really seen it first hand admittedly but I heard stories in my undergrad. So while it's possible to just ignore people making fun of you and such there are real world consequences to this. Also your examples have some selection bias right. It might be true that male ballerinas don't care that much …	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/01/22 08:41 PM
1	On the topic of Women: Being a "Woman" involves being attractive and well kept Yes and others will be percieved poorly for not confirming to their gender roles. There are way more women who get shit for not keeping up their appearance then men are for example. If a woman doesn't shave her arm pits people will say she is "disgusting" and shit. Just because some people are able to avoid poor treatment or perceptions doesn't mean this isn't a phenomenon that's worth talking about	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/01/22 07:45 PM
3	How can single women be happier than married women? I can't tell if you replied the wrong person or if you just can't read	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/01/22 02:53 PM
2	How can single women be happier than married women? To my knowledge this is not true, women are generally happier when married than when they were single. This is a decent article on it since it discusses a study that controls for the obvious question "are happier people more likely to marry". There was a pop psychology article in The Guardian based on cooments by economist Paul Dolan in his book but that claim was a misinterpretation of survey findings. I looked into this a while back and it was obvious the consensus was that married women were …	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/01/22 02:13 PM
4	On the topic of Women: Being a "Woman" involves being attractive and well kept He didn't mean literally he meant how society perceives you. He's basically just talking about gender roles and how people are percieved if they don't fulfill them vs if they do.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/01/22 12:12 AM
5	What is an immediate “we’re breaking right here right now” dealbreaker for you? Some girls will punch you as a joke like if you make a teasing comment about them or something. To me it makes the teasing even funnier, it's no big deal. But there's obviously a line, kind of like teasing you're not trying to hurt them just playing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/01/22 11:14 PM
1	What is the outlook for western culture if too many women “never settle”? We are social creatures, all ambitions require two. If you want to be a doctor you need a hospital to employ you. focus on making yourself worthy of a hospital, it's the hospitals job to worry about making itself worthy of your talent.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/01/22 02:18 PM
1	What is the outlook for western culture if too many women “never settle”? If you treat it as an after thought you shouldn't be surprised if it doesn't work out.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/01/22 01:02 PM
1	What is the outlook for western culture if too many women “never settle”? work hard and meet women's standards, probably	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/01/22 02:39 AM
1	My red pill view on the West Elm Caleb situation. If enough women are claiming the same thing there's probably truth to it. If you go outside and one person is mean to you then they were probably an asshole. If everyone you talk to is mean you are probably an asshole. He needs to take responsibility for his actions. If this is happening all the time to you as well then perhaps you do as well.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/01/22 02:28 PM
3	Why "just be yourself" is the best dating advice If someone wants to improve themselves to meet their goals then they should do so. If that involves lifting and such to get access to more attractive women that's fine. What you shouldn't do is live a life you are unhappy with just because you get some pussy on the side, it's not worth it. To me that's the thrust of the "be yourself" advice, a woman isn't worth giving up your favourite hobbies or a nomadic lifestyle you love. Men commonly put pussy on a pedestal and will actively shape their liv…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/01/22 02:00 PM
1	Which studies/research prove Pill philosophies and which studies debunk them? The first is probably redpill second is probably black pill. I lump them together at this point tbh the distinction shrinks every day	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/01/22 04:29 PM
0	Which studies/research prove Pill philosophies and which studies debunk them? It was news to me that only 2.7% of husbands were shorter than their wifes I think people would be surprised by this but largely because people don't have an intuitive grasp on probability. Even if you randomly assign a woman to a man the odds of him being taller are pretty high. From fivethirtyeight: But there’s a bigger issue here — maybe you’ve already spotted it, John: Men tend to be taller than women anyway. Is it really so surprising that only 7.5 percent of heterosexual couples don’t incl…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/01/22 04:14 PM
1	Which studies/research prove Pill philosophies and which studies debunk them? I am pointing to a topic where red pill and blue pill disagree on The issue is there is no one who thinks height has no impact on someone's ability to find a partner. There is no one on the extreme end of the spectrum. If you are in the middle, you are probably blue pill. If you were to put it on a spectrum, "blue pill" would not be a single point on the extreme end of the spectrum but rather a range on the spectrum that spans a standard deviation or two centered on the average position that peo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/01/22 02:37 PM
1	There will always be men that manage to slip through the cracks It's not for other people but themselves. People cope with mortality in different ways, a child is an easy way to leave your mark on the world. I guess it's also for the ancestors as well whom they feel they carry the torch for? I don't feel this way but I can understand it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/01/22 02:06 PM
1	Which studies/research prove Pill philosophies and which studies debunk them? I think red and black bill claim that height is important for men if they want any women to feel sexual attraction towards them. This is a very weak and agreeable claim. It's not necessary but it is attractive to women, of course. Everyone agrees with this. There's this weird motte-bailey that goes on with redpill thought. They will say shit like "it's over if you are below 5'7"" but when they argue it becomes "height isn't necessary to get a girlfriend but it's definitely attractive to women on…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/01/22 01:39 PM
1	How many of you men have cheated on a significant other? (All honest answers, I won’t be judging) Maybe but I'm not trying to maintain a man's sexual interest so that doesn't factor in to my cost benefit analysis	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/01/22 04:19 PM
1	How many of you men have cheated on a significant other? (All honest answers, I won’t be judging) I wouldn't describe it as jumping through hoops, just earning and maintaining their sexual interest. A woman has to earn and maintain my sexual interest as well. Even if it's a woman you just met you will have to earn her sexual interest, whether it's through effort you put into your appearance or effort you put into your game. This is just part of life. The issue is men think once it's earned it never goes away, that's wrong it needs to be maintained.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/01/22 02:10 PM
1	How many of you men have cheated on a significant other? (All honest answers, I won’t be judging) Because sexual interest wanes with complacency. Especially if she ends up doing the majority of the child rearing and domestic work. If you go on like 3 dates a year only on special occasions and there never any surprises, she is going to start to feel like it's not a romantic relationship but a co-parenting arrangement. If you take it further and you don't cook and clean regularly or you never watch the kids, then she begins to feel like it's not even co-parenting but rather a mother-son relati…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/01/22 01:50 PM
1	How many of you men have cheated on a significant other? (All honest answers, I won’t be judging) It doesn't matter how sex positive they are	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/01/22 12:53 PM
1	How many of you men have cheated on a significant other? (All honest answers, I won’t be judging) You're not "supposed" to do anything but maintaining sexual interest over a long term relationship necessarily takes some effort. If you are a person who values sex and wants to marry then you should be prepared to put in this effort, if not then you don't need to.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/01/22 03:26 AM
3	How many of you men have cheated on a significant other? (All honest answers, I won’t be judging) A lot of times there's a underlying reason why she's never in the mood. If you can identify the reason and fix the issue you can bring the spark back sometimes. A lot of times it's too late though, thats why you need to be ahead of the curve and always thinking about what you can do to make the relationship more romantic, exciting etc. Stuff like making sure she isn't over worked and under appreciated can go a long way.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/01/22 04:36 PM
2	Frustration with women and their sexual timing largely comes from men who refuse to accept women with a sociosexual orientation similar to theirs The analogy implies that a woman is wrong to have sex with many men but it's not wrong when a man does it, that's the issue. A woman can have sex any time she wants. It will literally take her 5 minutes to find someone. So it is not a sign of high value when a woman has a high body count. This may not be a sign of high value but it's not a sign of low value either. It's super easy to brush your teeth in the morning, it doesn't deserve praise. But it also doesn't deserve condemnation. There needs…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/01/22 03:55 PM
3	Women pretending to care about n-count is an angle. You think that rich men being more attractive is a controversial opinion? Did you hold that opinion before you knew about TRP?	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/01/22 04:55 PM
1	Hinge experiment analysis. Are men on dating apps really as bad as what women describe? If you disagree with their assessment, what is your own experience on dating apps? I imagine this is always going to be very regional, entirely possible OP is 100% truthful and your experiences are true as well.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/01/22 05:42 PM
1	What are the quotes/texts that you think best encapsulate your experiences as the gender/sexual preference you are, dealing with the opposite sex and dating? Ok, I didn't think I needed to add "generally speaking, for the majority of people" but this is reddit so here we are. ? The majority of people would also be happier with a million dollars in their bank account, is that a need for those people? You need to demonstrate it is impossible to be happy without it, like for example money generally. It's impossible to live in out society without money, this is pretty objectively true. You don't need sex though, people choose to go without it all the tim…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/01/22 03:25 PM
1	What are the quotes/texts that you think best encapsulate your experiences as the gender/sexual preference you are, dealing with the opposite sex and dating? I don't get the nightmare scenario fear nearly as much from real world people. And yet you yourself wouldn't be comfortable getting slapped in the ass by your dominant male boss. It's very easy to empathize with their position, and it's not a particularily uncommon position. subconscious threat of physical engagement. I'm not grabbing at guys ass because in part because even in this modern pussified world it might go to a fist fight. Which exists between men and women as well... Difference being…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/01/22 03:18 PM
1	What are the quotes/texts that you think best encapsulate your experiences as the gender/sexual preference you are, dealing with the opposite sex and dating? I think that's wrong in several ways. And yet you can't articulate any of them 🤔 Well I don't think he was a 'random dude' to her, I think he was her coworker who she spent a ton of time around. Yeah that actually makes it worse right? Because there are consequences when trying to remove yourself form tbe situation. It's fine for her because she's into her boss and her boyfriend is a cuck but for most people this would be a shitty situation	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/01/22 02:07 PM
-2	What are the quotes/texts that you think best encapsulate your experiences as the gender/sexual preference you are, dealing with the opposite sex and dating? Because when you try to look for any numbers to back up your statement, your "lots of people" become much more of a minority of the population. Firstly there is no data suggesting it is impossible for those people to ever be happy while celibate, which is what we are debating. Secondly there are no health benefits to sexual activity that you can't get through other means. If you want to say that humans need sex to be happy then the simple demonstration that there are lots of people who choose to…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/01/22 01:55 PM
2	What are the quotes/texts that you think best encapsulate your experiences as the gender/sexual preference you are, dealing with the opposite sex and dating? How is that equivalent if they are both heterosexual? It's someone you don't want touching you sexually, sexual orientation is just what gender sexually turns you on. A heterosexual man getting spanked by a man is no different than a woman getting spanked by a man who she is not sexually attracted to. way less prude This has nothing to do with being prude. You're not a prude for not wanting random dudes to touch you sexually, especially if you're dating someone lol.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/01/22 01:41 PM
-2	What are the quotes/texts that you think best encapsulate your experiences as the gender/sexual preference you are, dealing with the opposite sex and dating? Idk, but why does that matter? They can find happiness in celibacy if they want to, people do it all the time, they just don't want to. They want to have sex.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/01/22 01:36 PM
-1	What are the quotes/texts that you think best encapsulate your experiences as the gender/sexual preference you are, dealing with the opposite sex and dating? but you'll experience a miserable existence otherwise. Lots of people have lived fulfilling lives without sex like nuns and monks, they do so voluntarily. I don't see it as necessary even in the sense you or Maslow used.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/01/22 01:26 PM
4	What are the quotes/texts that you think best encapsulate your experiences as the gender/sexual preference you are, dealing with the opposite sex and dating? Women don't normally enjoy being sexually harassed, that's a very abnormal position. It's also very understandable a woman wouldn't want to be spanked by a man who holds power over her. Would you enjoy it if your boss was a aggressive gay dude spanking you regularily? It's not about being uptight, people just don't want to be sexual with everyone. Just because you want to touch people in a sexual manner doesn't mean they have to let you touch them or else they aren't "fun".	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/01/22 01:09 PM
3	Younger women, do you agree with the pretty boy aesthetic being attractive to women at all? And to what extent do you think that redpillers are right about what women want? Though women have varried interests the pretty boy look is harder to pull off and definitely higher effort. It's also carries higher risk since it's not the norm for men to try to look that way, so if you fail to pull it off it'll look worse then failing the masculine look.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/01/22 10:58 PM
3	Q4M: Men who don't want their girlfriends having massive sexual experience in her past, does it apply the same if the experiences were with other women? Or it could be homophobia is what I mean. Or both I guess	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/01/22 10:29 PM
2	Q4M: Men who don't want their girlfriends having massive sexual experience in her past, does it apply the same if the experiences were with other women? Could be that they think lesbian partners can't pair bond the way a man and woman can. Not that it's any better	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/01/22 10:22 PM
6	Q4M: Men who don't want their girlfriends having massive sexual experience in her past, does it apply the same if the experiences were with other women? She's entered into a symbiotic relationship where its unclear who benefits more Is this the only reason? What if she felt the casual sex with a man was mutually beneficial?	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/01/22 10:13 PM
1	Q4M: Men who don't want their girlfriends having massive sexual experience in her past, does it apply the same if the experiences were with other women? All about sociosexual compatibility to me.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/01/22 10:08 PM
1	Men should stop spending so much time online if they don't want to be lonely Yeah I actually just deleted my comment before I saw your response, I didn't read your comment closely enough. you might be right but I think it's true for women too I don't think the majority of people are in clubs or hobby groups. They just hang out with friends and travel.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/01/22 03:54 PM
1	Triggered by a confident woman. Yeah this brings us back to the first comment. Some people hold the opinion that what is most popular (i.e. what would do well in a poll) is objectively better than what is less popular. For example that hip-hop is objectively better than rock or classical music because it gets more clicks. That's a fair interpretation but I disagree with it. And a lot of people do, it's not that strange or weird as you have said, it's just a difference of opinion.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/01/22 03:15 PM
1	Triggered by a confident woman. The point is that she is not a comedian, this is a person who is calling herself funny in the average-person sense of the word. I'm not saying her morbid humour could sell out shows like Russel Peters, if this is what your objection is. But there is no separate definition of funny, you can be funny and specialize in just one type of humour. Do you think people who dress all in black leather with dumb makeup get to say 'I dress well' but leave out 'but you better like goth', do you think people g…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/01/22 01:51 PM
1	Triggered by a confident woman. He could be completely trash at every other style of humour and still be regarded as funny and sell out shows. Any additional talent you speculate he has in normal company doesn't matter.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/01/22 12:24 AM
1	Triggered by a confident woman. presumably funny outside of his race jokes Maybe he would be, but 90% of his jokes are observational jokes about race, ethnicity and nationality. So if you don't like racial jokes you aren't going to find him funny. That's all she's saying, her jokes are mostly morbid so if you don't like morbid jokes you won't find her funny. 'if you dont like race humour you won't find me funny' If you don't like racial humour you won't find Russel Peters funny. I don't see the difference.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/22 08:50 PM
1	Triggered by a confident woman. She didn't say "If you aren't me, you won't find me funny." She said "if you don't like morbid humour, you won't find me funny". You could make the same statement about real comedians. For example if you don't like race jokes you probably won't find Russel Peters funny. She's just saying she appeals to people who like morbid humour. Whether you can consider her "funny" if most people don't like that style of humour is debatable. But I don't think it's a weird stance	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/22 07:29 PM
1	A guy doesn't have to be handsome to be sexually attractive and likes being that way Yeah maybe this bit the important part. There are plenty of submissive men and dominant women who wish they were more dominant and submissive respectively. Ime when I see a dominant man interact with a submissive woman it's more of leadership vibe. When it's a woman who is dominant, a lot of the time it just seems like she just doesn't respect the submissive man. I have also heard humiliation is a bigger element in the latter relationships, but that isn't based off of ex…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/22 11:00 PM
1	A guy doesn't have to be handsome to be sexually attractive I disagree, a lot of time it's like height. Tall women don't want a short man, they want a man whose even taller and vice versa short men don't want a tall women. I'm feminine in a lot of ways but I still prefer femininity in women, probably moreso than most men because feminine women can make me feel masculine. And that makes me feel sexier and more confident I guess.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/22 10:35 PM
3	Triggered by a confident woman. Her opinion isn't that weird. For example I like music that isn't top 100 music but I still think it's good music. I guess you could argue it's not good if most people don't like it. Personally, I would argue there's a trade off when you need to appeal to everyone vs trying to appeal to a small group of people. It can be more personalized I guess. I think both arguments are valid.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/22 10:03 PM
1	Where have all the good men gone? most men are not like me and will take what they can get They have the option to be like you though, that's really all I'm arguing, that they have the ability to pick. women don't have to improve Neither do most men, you just need to be patient, keep looking and be willing to compromise. Same applies to women, some will need to change but most won't. Nice women are everywhere, if you want on who isn't fat or something then yeah you need to work for it a bit. men are fucking lazy That's fine but …	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/22 09:43 PM
1	Where have all the good men gone? I'm someone who understands the way the world works but doesn't follow the masses and know this makes it harder for myself. So you had the ability to pick, and you did pick. Just like every man has the ability to pick. How does this mean men can't/don't pick who they date? men moan how shitty women are all the time and yet keep dating them which shows they know but put up with it as its better than being alone and they get their dick wet. Yes men moan about how shitty women are and continue to p…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/22 08:22 PM
1	Where have all the good men gone? I don't pick shitty women To be clear, you're a man who picks his partners but who doesn't think men pick their partners? Until every man What other men do doesn't matter. It can affect availability (supply will meet demand) but that doesn't mean you don't get to pick. If everyone in your area buys KitKat and nobody buys Aero bars, stores will probably stock more KitKat which makes it harder to find aero bars. But that doesn't mean you *have" to buy the KitKat, you can wait until you find an aer…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/22 04:28 PM
1	Where have all the good men gone? Lol, there can be other reasons he doesn't make a move, I don't see why it matters what his reasons were for deciding not to pick her. the same the women are saying yes or no and so she has the final say. You both have final say... Again if you dont approach it doesn't happen, that seems pretty final. Even if you do approach and she says yes, you could still decide not to pursue it after talking to her. At any point you can leave the situation, you seem to be arbitrarily deciding when the decisi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/22 03:23 PM
1	Masculinity is NOT in a crisis nor is it on a decline You have moved the goal post and I proven your other point to the true. I haven't moved the goal posts, you still have not made an argument showing men have body image issues to the same extent severity as women. So you telling me you talked to all men. I don't need to, we can observe that huge portion of men just don't give af about their appearance. So much so we need to remind men to take showers lol, this doesn't happen with women. You can claim it's depression but women aren't less likely t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/22 02:05 PM
1	Where have all the good men gone? There is no "no" if the question isn't put across or understood If a woman is making it easy to approach her, which she will, and you still don't want to approach, it's because he doesn't want to approach. It's that simple. She didn't get picked. I could pick a 100 women to try with but only 1 of them might choose me There a millions of women, you picked 100 women. Any of the women you didn't pick have 0 chance of dating you. You picked which women have the opportunity to date you. She then pick…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/22 12:58 PM
1	Where have all the good men gone? Not at all, a woman can just drop IOIs and he doesn't make a move that's effectively a no. Men chase and women pick Men pick who they chase, if they don't chase then it doesn't happen. Therefore men pick as well. This is super simple. This basic premise is easy to see as its played out on things like tinder where women will have lots of matches to choose from as men just tend to swipe on most women. If the basic premise that "women get to pick, men don't" played out on tinder then men would be m…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/22 11:08 PM
2	Where have all the good men gone? If the bars had a say in which one you got to eat it would be the bar picking not you. The same applies to women, they can pick a man he can say no. That doesn't mean they don't get to pick. You need to pick each-other, everyone picks. You pick the ones you like and see if they like you too, thats how it works.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/22 10:01 PM
2	Where have all the good men gone? Men present themselves to loads of women and hope one of them picks him. so you are choosing all women indiscriminately, this is still choosing. If I buy every chocolate bar at the store, it doesn't mean I didn't choose a chocolate bar to buy. It means I chose all of them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/22 07:09 PM
9	FDS couldn't exist in a healthy dating market You're coming at this with the assumption FDS thinks men, even "high value men", are worth changing your lifestyle or personality for. I don't think they believe this. For example, if a woman says she enjoys junk food and hates exercise and is fat, they know the best way to attract a high value man is to stop eating and hit the gym. But the advice they would give is to stay single and keep eating, men aren't worth it. Thats why they don't give advise like this, they know what men want they just …	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/22 03:32 PM
2	FDS couldn't exist in a healthy dating market But woman need to change for men? I never said that, I'm just describing what I see. Whether or not a woman should change for men depends on what the woman values. I just don't get the feeling FDS women value men enough to make drastic personality or lifestyle changes for one. Which explains why they don't give advice on how to change yourself for men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/22 03:22 PM
1	Masculinity is NOT in a crisis nor is it on a decline Nope. But that "goal" has been proven. If I'm more careful with my words, the argument has been about whether body image issues are as damaging or as pervasive for men. Either way my point stands, I haven't moved the goal posts. Learning how to take good pictures takes time. You don't need a PhD in photography to take a good picture. Just buy a phone tripod and follow a YouTube guide, you could do it today if you wanted. Men just don't because their appearance is not something that is important …	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/22 02:59 PM
–	FDS couldn't exist in a healthy dating market Yeah i agree, i mean this is something that 100% comes down to a persons values. How much you value relationships vs how much you value the things you have to sacrifice to make it happen. Everyone has a line they won't cross for anyone in terms of accomodation, but I suspect FDS paints that line differently than most.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/22 06:16 AM
–	FDS couldn't exist in a healthy dating market I get the feeling they'd also rather be alone than change themselves for a man, even if the man is perfect. Like if they enjoy eating food and hate working out or they enjoy hookups, they arent going to cut those things out of their lives just for a man	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/22 05:11 AM
1	Masculinity is NOT in a crisis nor is it on a decline Moving the goal post I see. Goal post has always been whether or not men have body image issues Because men can simply take better pictures simply overnight Yes, you actually can. Probably should do it overday though, better lighting. No one has called you gay because they don't notice you wearing make up. You aren't doing well with logic here. Exactly and if you wear it correctly no one ever will. They just think I get good sleep every day. So what's the problem? How does society stop anyone fr…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/22 01:37 PM
3	Daily Community Chat Megathread the celebrity with the biggest chance of sweeping me off my feet? Benedict Cumberbatch Is this really that weird? I hear a lot of women who say they like him. It's like Adam Driver, seemingly every other women has an "unconventional" attraction for them, when are we going to admit these men are just conventionally attractive?	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/22 06:18 AM
1	Does a man's looks and/or assets become less and less significant the more a woman likes him? IIRC Mark Manson's book Models has a similar concept where women sort you into either "yes", "no" or "maybe" upon meeting and if it's a maybe you need to get her to flip it to yes quickly or you will miss your chance	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/22 04:22 AM
2	Daily Community Chat Megathread Lmao and put some cameras in the hanger and one extra man. You can make a reality TV show called "the biggest incel". The one who doesn't pair off wins (loses?)	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/22 11:36 PM
2	Daily Community Chat Megathread Thanks for the link! She may have posted it somewhere, I didn't see it though so I figured I'd just ask here. I recently graduated and lost access to journals, definitely sucks for debates and stuff like this	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/22 09:42 PM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread Anyone have a link to this study https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/09567976211036065?journalCode=pssa ? People writing about this in the thread seem to think it has some crazy black pill truth or something in it but the abstract doesn't seem that bad, just seems like cities with higher male:female ratios have more lonely dudes whining on Twitter, kind of maks sense? People seem to be saying that the solution to this problem is anarchism or reconstruction of society or some nonsense bu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/22 08:07 PM
1	META-ANALYSIS: Many studies show that adult virgins (and late bloomers) are unpopular, bullied, ostracized, socially isolated, have low status, etc. No you will need decent social skills either way, and having a big social circle will net you more opportunities at parties and such.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/22 07:03 PM
5	META-ANALYSIS: Many studies show that adult virgins (and late bloomers) are unpopular, bullied, ostracized, socially isolated, have low status, etc. Well obviously if she's more attracted to a dude she will treat him differently, same thing happens with the fat chick vs her friends. Idk where you are going with this	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/22 07:01 PM
0	META-ANALYSIS: Many studies show that adult virgins (and late bloomers) are unpopular, bullied, ostracized, socially isolated, have low status, etc. I can report that most women I've fucked definitely weren't fucking me for my looks. Difference is that if you have 0 social skills you aren't going to be in a position to meet people or have casual sex to begin with. Even in your case I would bet if you were super awkward and weird about it she wouldn't have had sex with you, even without being able to talk your way out of it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/22 06:28 PM
10	META-ANALYSIS: Many studies show that adult virgins (and late bloomers) are unpopular, bullied, ostracized, socially isolated, have low status, etc. I imagine a lot of these men have 99% male friend groups who primarily play video games together to hang out. I'd have to read more on it but from what I understand the atomization of society due to online socialization and parasocial relationships is affecting men more than women. I think men are lonely platonically as well as romantically to a large extent, but I'd don't know tbh	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/22 06:20 PM
5	META-ANALYSIS: Many studies show that adult virgins (and late bloomers) are unpopular, bullied, ostracized, socially isolated, have low status, etc. Well I would agree with that, I don't even think most incels are that misogynistic in person. I think we need to do a better job at establishing that having a bad personality =\= being a bad person necessarily. I think incels would be better served by therapy than plastic surgery, I got the feeling that the person I responded to disagrees maybe I'm wrong.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/22 06:06 PM
-5	META-ANALYSIS: Many studies show that adult virgins (and late bloomers) are unpopular, bullied, ostracized, socially isolated, have low status, etc. It's absolutely not, but hey dude if you agree your social life is more important than your looks when trying to get laid we are in agreement.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/22 05:38 PM
3	META-ANALYSIS: Many studies show that adult virgins (and late bloomers) are unpopular, bullied, ostracized, socially isolated, have low status, etc. have terrible personalities This is literally what these studies are saying, these are people with poor social skills and personality disorders.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/22 05:32 PM
21	META-ANALYSIS: Many studies show that adult virgins (and late bloomers) are unpopular, bullied, ostracized, socially isolated, have low status, etc. Believe it or not, a lot of dude here argue that it's common for men with good social lives and broad friend groups to be virgins because they are 5'5" or something.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/22 05:21 PM
1	Masculinity is NOT in a crisis nor is it on a decline Also the gap isn't that much anymore. Look at what people do not what they say. Men in surveys express that they want to look better in similar proportion to women. So what? I'd probably answer the majority of those surveys in the affirmative. However if we look at statistics around eating disorders and time spent actually working on appearance and how that appearance is percieved you'll see men dont care nearly as much. So because they don't take good pictures and spend as much time as women on…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/22 02:08 PM
1	Masculinity is NOT in a crisis nor is it on a decline Then explain why men are shooting up in the stats in regard to body image disorder issues? With social media everyone is, but women are still 3-4x more likely to have an eating disorder. I don't see how this is even arguable, the average women spends way more time on her appearance than the average man, why do you think that is? If dudes actually cared about this shit they would at very least take good pictures for their dating profiles and social media, they just don't care on average. Ya becau…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/22 11:01 AM
1	Masculinity is NOT in a crisis nor is it on a decline And men don’t defend other men when it comes to negative body comments Yes because body image issues don't really matter to us., At least not nearly as much as women. There are A LOT of dudes on this very sub that didn't even think women cared about looks before being introduced to the redpill. They'll talk about how society lied to them telling them looks don't matter and shit. This would never happen with women because the messaging in society is very clear to the point where we have preteen g…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/22 12:42 AM
-1	Masculinity is NOT in a crisis nor is it on a decline If society decides that body shaming men is just as damaging and toxic It isn't just as damaging, nor is it nearly as pervasive. It's way more common to meet a dude who doesn't care about his appearance than it is to meet a woman whose the same. Just look at the other thread up right now about average men and how they put so little effort into their appearance. The reason is simple, the consequences for not being attractive aren't nearly as bad as they are for women. There are people trying to f…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/22 06:37 PM
6	CMV: It's a Just-World Fallacy that "misogynistic/sexist" men don't get laid. Ironically, they get laid just as much, if not more than the kind, agreeable men do. I have not met a good man over the age of 20 who is still a virgin. Depends how you define "good" right, its entirely conceivable that a person is kind and caring but is agoraphobic and never meets anyone and is therefore virgin. It's understandable that women dont want to date men with poor social skills/no friends but that doesn't necessarily mean they are "bad" people, unless you're using a different definition of "good" here.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/22 10:04 PM
5	CMV: It's a Just-World Fallacy that "misogynistic/sexist" men don't get laid. Ironically, they get laid just as much, if not more than the kind, agreeable men do. Good thing it doesn't exist, you can be a misogynistic virgin and kind and caring chad.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/22 09:55 PM
7	Q4W would you date a man who earns less than you? Would you like a dude who is handing out his mixtape on the street corner at 35 just as much as the doctor who actually did make it? Ambition is unattractive without results. You need to at very least demonstrate you're moving closer to getting the bag, if you stall too much or for too long your "ambition" is pointless.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/22 09:12 PM
3	If everyone has insecurities , then why don’t women like men with insecurities? The issue ime is no one ever "asks for it". The supply of support is there, whenever someone seeks it out they will get it. There's just rarely ever any demand for support. And it feels weird "asking for it" because nobody else ever "asks". With my female friends it feels more reciprocal, I know I'm going to support her one day, and I have probably already supported her in the past, so I don't hesitate to seek support from her. With men I feel like I could seek out support but they will never se…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/22 05:44 PM
6	The switch that happens to women around 30yo Because a lot of the women who feel the pain of being childless don't actually want children with just anyone, a lot would prefer no kids at all than to have kids with certain men. Society puts a lot of pressure on women to be moms, moreso than men to be dad's. That pressure makes them make bad decisions which they wouldn't have made in their 20s when there was less pressure mounting. Men aren't under as much social pressure to have kids, it's completely socially acceptable to not have kids. It'…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/22 02:22 PM
1	Surely it's men who need to lower their standards? On its surface, it looks like a sub that hates women. I don't think that sub hates women. The users might specifically hate fat women and/or single moms, that's possible though I'm not sure. But for sure they make fun of single moms and fat women for no other reason than being a single mom/fat woman seeking relationships. I think you're reading way too much into the small bio they have, we have no idea if they were seeking long term relationships before. Maybe their kid was born during a long te…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/22 05:48 AM
1	Surely it's men who need to lower their standards? Usually those women are not in a position to be making demands. For example, they may be single mothers, out of shape, and/or much older I can understand a post like this, she's acting like a princess when she really isn't. But a lot of times they're only asking for a man to not be abusive and to be committed to them, like this. What is this woman supposed to say? Or this who I guess they are making fun of because she goes by they/them or this who is just a fat single mom I guess? Seems the subt…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/22 12:57 AM
2	Surely it's men who need to lower their standards? A lot of the posts on there are just women saying that they are seeking a long term relationship with a guy who wont abuse them lol. Some of the posts are women asking for like 6" tall Chad's and that's fair, but even looking at the front page of the sub right now a lot of it is just women looking for a husband.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/22 05:33 PM
6	It is NOT INSECURITY to want to be the best sex your partner has ever had. Period. It's good to be vulnerable every once in a while, like a couple times a year. At least enough to make her think that she's helping but not so much that she thinks you actually need help. Throw her softballs and make her feel like she's the best and most supportive gf in the world even if you deal with shit on your own for the most part. Makes her feel important. Also, why wouldn't vulnerability make her vagina dry up. Seeing someone in distress isn't supposed to make you horny lol, it's not a se…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/22 05:15 PM
2	Why don't you make a dating profile of an average man? Can't tell if you're trying to be edgy or are really this stupid. "Rape-able" isn't a thing, even fat old ladies get raped, sometimes by their care takers.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/01/22 11:45 AM
–	Men, would you rather be the man women respect but have little or no sex with, or the man women don't respect but frequently have sex with? Dual mating strategy isn't wanting to be friends with some men and want to fuck others. Dual mating strategy is about two differing groups of men both of which women wanting relationships with. The difference is that from one they want long term romantic/familial relationships and the other is short term sexual relationships. I don't want to have long term romantic relationships with someone I don't want to fuck.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/01/22 02:16 PM
2	Men, would you rather be the man women respect but have little or no sex with, or the man women don't respect but frequently have sex with? The answer is always going to be sex, because men don't exactly need women as friends. Nice to have but the bois are better friends. Disagree with the first statement, some women I don't want to fuck but I would like to be friends with. Some I don't want to be friends with and would like to fuck. Proportionally I think these groups are similar in size. Some I want both, some I want neither, it depends on the woman. If I want both, I think I'd choose the sex since it's easier to find mutual frien…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/01/22 06:16 PM
1	Cold Approach is a must. Online dating produces poor results, even for ones with perfect profiles, and social circle can be problematic and limited Nobody said anything about obligation, you're free to be a dick head to people for no reason if you want to. Im just saying it's not his fault that if she's a bitch he takes reasonable steps to avoid upsetting people. in which blurting something out relieves her discomfort I guess I just can't relate to that. I've never felt the need to put other people down to make myself feel better. Especially considering the discomfort here is due to a dude politely asking a question. Maybe I could see it in…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/01/22 06:12 AM
1	Cold Approach is a must. Online dating produces poor results, even for ones with perfect profiles, and social circle can be problematic and limited She did everything except decide not to say "oh ewwww ick" right? She can control what she says and if a man has taken all precautions, there's no reason to be rude to him. If what you're driving at is that there is always going to be shitty people out there and if you approach enough you'll run into those shitty people, I agree. I still wouldn't say it's your fault that you happened to run into some unhinged person though	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/21 08:28 PM
1	Cold Approach is a must. Online dating produces poor results, even for ones with perfect profiles, and social circle can be problematic and limited If the dude is actually asking "can I put my penis inside you" then yes absolutely he deserves to be told to fuck off. But if he's just asking for your number or insta to get to know you that's not nearly as invasive, he usually doesn't even know if he wants to "end up with his dick in ya" as you put it. I've been asked out by a woman before and she was very direct about it like "hey I saw you in the other aisle and I think you're cute, do you have insta or something?". I didn't think "oh she wa…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/21 07:40 PM
0	CMV: Women that approach have a huge advantage to those that just sit around and wait to be approached. I've been approached before and I'm like a 4 lol. It's nothing you can rely on, a couple times in 25 years isn't much. But it's not "never", at least not in more liberal cities I guess. Also getting approached isn't THAT big of an advantage anyway, even if you like her back she'll still ghost you if you're too boring. You still have to try and everything, it's not a "get into bed free" card.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/21 06:37 PM
1	Cold Approach is a must. Online dating produces poor results, even for ones with perfect profiles, and social circle can be problematic and limited then that's your fault...you imposed upon her with zero notice and zero formal structure to provide a framework for the interaction and she by default gave you the truth in its most immediate and brutal form not a comfortingly worded consolation. Socially there's the concept of a response being "called for" or "uncalled for". I don't think any response is fair game just because you were the one who initiated the interaction. For example if someone politely asks for the time, you could respond "f…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/21 05:35 PM
2	Cold Approach is a must. Online dating produces poor results, even for ones with perfect profiles, and social circle can be problematic and limited Usually you make friends through repeated unforced interactions. Like going to class or work or a hobby. Usually you don't just walk up to a stranger and say "want to go bowling?". Cold approaching can work romantically but for friendships that just seems weird.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/21 03:44 PM
4	Relationships aren't just transactional; they are also transitional. Have you considered choosing better women? Never had these problems personally.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/12/21 02:47 PM
2	Women, would you or have you ever competed for a man? The issue is you are misinterpreting the question posed by the OP. The OP is explicitly describing a situation where you are knowingly competing against specific other women. He gave the example of an anime harem or some shit. The way you've interpreted this question makes the question completely pointless since it's not possible to pursue a relationship without competing. Even if someone is your boyfriend or girlfriend you are still definitionally competing to maintain their love as long as the…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/12/21 04:57 PM
1	It’s a myth that women are better looking than men Some men prefer women who are cute, some prefer women who are hot. Your preference here is not a universal preference.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/21 01:46 PM
1	So if you don’t have a bodycount is it still “bad” to wait to have sex? What's the time frame for that? When do you expect to find out, when you're 3 years deep? I don't think it will come out within the month or two she's making you wait. At some point you're probably not going to drop her just because she didnt tell you about having casual sex when she was younger. Unless the relationship has had other problems, if she has been good to you for the duration of relationship no one is going to dump a woman over this. Well no non religious, mentally healthy man would.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/12/21 03:26 PM
3	So if you don’t have a bodycount is it still “bad” to wait to have sex? How are you going to know what she did with previous guys?	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/12/21 02:23 PM
1	Women, how would you prefer to be pursued in real life? Conversely, you'll never be able to expect 100% of men to be able to discern what type of emotional state a woman is feeling You really don't need to, it's not rocket science to figure out if someone is uncomfortable and wants to stop talking to you. Feeling threatened and feeling nervous can produce similar reactions, facial expressions, etc Yes but there is obvious difference between someone who wants to continue the conversation and someone who is looking for an exit. Again, it's not that com…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/11/21 01:04 PM
4	CMV:women are not more attractive than men, by default women are a lot more critical of men hiding their physical flaws than men are of women doing the same. This isn't true at all though. The things you described just don't actually work. Platform shoes and fake muscle shirts look bad. This is like stuffing your bra with balled up toilet paper, it just looks like trash and doesn't give the effect you want. Men who care about their appearance have many options, skin care products, concealers, hair products, dyes, products for their beard and so on. …	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/11/21 11:36 AM
1	Women, how would you prefer to be pursued in real life? If there's a dude who can't discern the difference between a woman who is just shy and a woman who feels threatened, he should probably just avoid shy women. Atleast until he develops his social skills a bit. You'll never solve this problem by asking 100% of woman to not be shy, that'll never happen.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/11/21 11:09 AM
3	Women, how would you prefer to be pursued in real life? Idk if women being evil is an issue here, genuinely I have heard plenty of women irl, on tiktok and Reddit talk about how it's hard to go to meetups or get involved in hobbies without getting pursued relentlessly. It makes it difficult to form platonic relationships when every dude is trying to make it romantic. The mistake here is assuming all women think this way or have this experience. The reality is, some women will be ok with being asked out while doing a hobby, some won't. Just like some …	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/11/21 10:45 AM
2	Have you ever met a TRP or FDS person in real life? What were their lives like? But the core strategy is, "behave in ways that women find attractive." Has trp become so indefensible that we have expanded the definition of "red pill" to include literally any effort to make yourself more attractive to woman lol. No, TRP is a very specific set of methods to make yourself more attractive. Some are standard common knowledge shit that everyone knows (blue pill), like lifting and being confident makes you more attractive. The red pill aspects are shit like "training your bitches" …	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/11/21 04:23 PM
3	What's wrong with the age gap really? Older, successful women can not get the men they want, because men chose younger women, and don't care about their success. These aren't outliers, it happens all the time. Choosing a celebrity proves my point further lol, male celebrities have the much larger age gaps in their relationships, but they still choose women over 30 routinely.. Brad Pitt could fuck any hot 20 year old but he chose an accomplished 30 year old. So did George Clooney, Chris Pratt, Robert Downey Jr., Dwayne "the Rock" Johnson, Ryan Gosling, Channing Tatum is currently dating a 32 year old, Chris Evans and Jenny Slate, then Lily James. These ar…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/11/21 01:56 PM
5	What's wrong with the age gap really? Older, successful women can not get the men they want, because men chose younger women, and don't care about their success. But even that isn't true, valuable older men date older women of similar worth all the time. Like Brad Pitt marrying Angelina Jolie then cheating on her with Marion Cotillard (allegedly).	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/11/21 12:01 AM
1	Man's desire for an emotional connection with a woman surpasses his desire for sex - and the harsh reality is that men will never be able to satisfy this desire Nesting women who sleep within 3 weeks or something is for women whom men want to game. no, it's for any woman. They will say you are getting betabuxed if you are waiting this long.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/11/21 07:00 PM
1	Man's desire for an emotional connection with a woman surpasses his desire for sex - and the harsh reality is that men will never be able to satisfy this desire Who said they want women to be Madonna and whore? Read the sub more. They'll tell you to next a woman who doesn't sleep with you within 3 weeks of meeting you lol. If she's doing that for you, she's doing it for everyone. You can't have it both ways, women can't be both easy and hard. If you want a low N woman, choose the woman who doesn't fuck until you are in a committed relationship at minimum.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/11/21 04:09 AM
1	If high n count women weren't shamed but also generally weren't taken seriously as long term partners would you still find that unfair? It would be ridiculous for someone to only want a gym bro/bunny if you've never set foot in a gym yourself... Why? Your standards are completely independent of what you have to offer. If a poor gym bunny only dates rich men is that a problem? What about a fat rich man who only dates fit women? What if these people got together? You don't need to meet your own standards, that's just weird. You're not dating yourself.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/11/21 07:53 PM
0	What is the right amount of dates do you think a woman should wait before having sex with you? No I'm a man. I just don't spend my money on shit that isn't fun for the chance I might get laid later. I'm selective about who I date so that I have a reasonable idea of how fun it's going to be, especially if I am paying. If I'm not confident I'll have a good time, I'll spend less money and time. She isn't a prostitute, I pay for the date because the date is fun and worth the money in and of itself not because I hope she'll sleep with me if I pay for three of them. She doesn't owe me anything,…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/11/21 05:57 PM
2	What is the right amount of dates do you think a woman should wait before having sex with you? You don't have to pay but reality is you're probably going to pay because that's how it usually works. If it didn't work like that people here wouldn't be complaining about having to pay on a weekly basis. I'm hanging out with a girl, not investing in the stock market. No shit?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/11/21 07:34 PM
11	What is the right amount of dates do you think a woman should wait before having sex with you? She gets two dates for free You shouldn't need to be paid to go on a date with someone. They should be feel fun and worth it even if there is no sex and you have to pay. Of course you will have bad dates but you should also have really good dates and on average it should be worth the investment. If you just view it as payment for sex then just higher an escort.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/11/21 03:29 PM
1	Explain to monke Women and men have the same right to put their child in an orphanage. Men and women have the same parental rights.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/10/21 06:32 PM
3	Man's desire for an emotional connection with a woman surpasses his desire for sex - and the harsh reality is that men will never be able to satisfy this desire probably think that's what they are supposed to say Not at all. The advice frequently given on this sub is that if a woman wants to "take it slow" she isn't attracted to you but is interested in your resources, she's likely fucking other guys on the side that she just met and is genuinely attracted to. Then they also advise you to not LTR high n-count women either, so they set up an impossible standard where women need to be both madonna and whore, they need to give sex freely and quickly but on…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/10/21 11:58 AM
1	Are women "delusional" about penis size? No, a lot of time people don't look, because they aren't actually interested in their belief being challenged. No, someone who is not interested in having their view challenged doesn't ask for a source that challenges their view. They say things like "it's common sense" or "it's not rocket science" because they don't want to go through an argument about something they don't think is debatable. The point that you still seem to be missing is if you disagree on a premise like this the only way to c…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/10/21 05:16 PM
1	Are women "delusional" about penis size? I mean, they can't write a rebuttal unless you make an argument. So often people don't understand the studies they cite. People will say shit like "women like assholes" and you ask for a source they give a study that narcissists get more sex. If you actually read the study though, even the researcher doesn't believe it's because they are narcissistic, it's because narcissists appear more charming at first meeting, will often be more confident than the average man and will be more likely to take …	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/10/21 12:07 PM
5	Why has the number of single women risen so much, and continues to rise, yet women are also complaining they are single and can't find a man? If men do not have there shit together, that is women’s responsibility to fix Nah I'd say we all have a vested interest in the success of men in society and it's clear the way we have things set up isn't giving us the results we want. I don't think there's really anything women can do about it either. You seem to be suggesting that if women just saved themselves for marriage men would put in more effort but I really don't think that's true, a lot of the problems we see with men start pretty youn…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/10/21 08:55 PM
12	Why has the number of single women risen so much, and continues to rise, yet women are also complaining they are single and can't find a man? I agree somewhat, the competition is stiff if a woman wants the sought after man. I don't think it's because women over value themselves though, I think it's because there are less men with their shit together, are attractive and have desirable personality traits than there are women. It's a byproduct of this "crisis of masculinity" and the prevalence of things like peter pan syndrome. Many women only give sex Strongly disagree, a lot of men only want sex though "can't fuck a degree" etc.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/10/21 11:55 AM
2	Costs of Feminism Mega-Thread I'm pretty sure Reagan himself disproves your theory. He doesn't Yet they've actually made it worse in Texas, as back lashes usually do. They didn't, the pro-choice movement is largely funded and supported by feminists. The idea that without feminism it would be easier to get an abortion in Texas today hasn't been substantiated. Who said it should be legal? It's about the "power vacuum" left, when a broadsword is used, instead of a scalpel. You're excising a cancer, not amputating a limb. This s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/10/21 11:15 AM
1	Women, how many female friends do you know that have had casual sex while on a trip? They do split the bills, you usually have a joint bank account and you are both working, how would you not? It's probably not 50-50 since income is not going to be 50-50 but it doesn't need to be, it's objectively cheaper to live a dual income no kids lifestyle than to pay 100% of your rent, heating bill, etc. Vast majority of women put no effort affection or romance into a relationship. Not my experience at all, perhaps you should choose better women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/10/21 10:59 AM
2	Costs of Feminism Mega-Thread Citation needed https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2021/6/15/the-long-road-to-criminalising-rape-within-marriage https://www.jstor.org/stable/828736 Take credit for other folks work - fixed it. Well no, it likely wouldn't have happened without groundwork laid in decades prior by feminists and the support they lended the bills in their early years when this was highly contentious So you agree that we're actually seeing the roll back No I'm saying see the first point I made in that comment, which …	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/10/21 01:45 AM
1	Women, how many female friends do you know that have had casual sex while on a trip? Love and romance stay spicy when you don't bend the knee and promise to forego others. I disagree but I believe this is just a personal preference thing, some people are more relationship oriented than others. Now that divorce is any time for no reason or any reason, it is a misnomer to call it a life partner Even if it doesn't last forever doesn't mean it wasn't good while it lasted. It might not be lifelong partnership but I'd still say it's your life partner. While you are together, they are …	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/10/21 12:09 AM
2	Costs of Feminism Mega-Thread However, in 30 states, there are still some exemptions given to husbands from rape prosecution Well yeah things aren't perfect, but they are better than they were thanks to feminists. This is really an argument that we need more feminism because there are still outstanding things like this. No-fault divorce, was mearly supported by feminists. Reagan started it and it snowballed... Though feminist lawyers weren't directly involved with the family law act, they did publish works in women's law jou…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/10/21 11:31 PM
2	Women, how many female friends do you know that have had casual sex while on a trip? Love, romance, a life partner you can share a bed and split the bills with etc.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/10/21 09:46 PM
2	Costs of Feminism Mega-Thread What has feminism "done for women"? What has any of the "gains", actually given women? Let me just quote the comment you're still side stepping, Criminalization of marital rape, the ability to divorce abusers (no matter how it was legislated, it still wasn't really feasible/women were often prevented from doing so by those in power until women's rights movements), ability to not have their lives ruined by teen pregnancies, the ability to seek counseling/admit to having been raped - previously it…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/10/21 07:43 PM
5	Dating Someone You're Not Attracted To Just To Get Relationship/Sexual Experience. I wouldn't want to date someone who secretly thinks I'm hideous. Why would I date someone who I think is hideous? Am I going to lie and say I find them attractive or just not comment on their appearance ever? That situation just seems messed up, maybe I'm shallow but I wouldn't do it either.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/10/21 05:44 PM
4	Costs of Feminism Mega-Thread You should have just said no, I was curious to see where they were going with that lmao	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/10/21 05:16 PM
5	Costs of Feminism Mega-Thread Since this comment was spent highlighting how all these items help men as well instead of arguing these things don't help women, I presume you no longer dispute that feminism had done a lot for women and are now arguing feminism is good for everyone?	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/10/21 04:40 PM
6	Costs of Feminism Mega-Thread They aren't whining though	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/10/21 04:34 PM
1	How do you think the future of dating will be? Dual income no kids is the best place financially but once kids get involved they are a huge money sink.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/10/21 03:05 PM
1	Is flirting objectification? Is chivalry an ecpression of patriarchy? If so, how the changes affect dating? "you have a beautiful smile, have a blessed day" = not harassment Some woman will feel this is harrassment, it's better to just keep your thoughts about a random women's appearance to yourself unless you are in conversation with them and can see she's open to it. There's no reason to say such a pointless comment anyway, it's not like she doesn't know other people think she's pretty.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/10/21 12:02 PM
8	Why don't wealthy/powerful men think they're too good for hookers/to pay for sex? I think there's enough seperation from these people and the harm they inflict that they don't necessarily need to be sociopathic. Kind of like eating meat, there's enough seperation between you and the farming process you don't really think about the animal that died to produce the food. Most people don't really want to think about that process because they are empathetic toward the animal and it makes them uncomfortable.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/10/21 07:06 PM
3	What is the male equivalent of makeup? Really depends what the makeup is. I use a concealer under my eyes on days I don't get enough sleep. Just makes me look like I got good sleep. It's not game changing or anything but it does make me look better, and most people I've mentioned it to never noticed I even wear it. I'm sure there are other forms of makeup that are similar, but I can't be bothered, the concealer I have is like $15 and it's lasted me years now. There are even men's brands for concealers (see "war paint"), but these see…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/10/21 01:17 AM
23	As a male that went throug all stages of looks (fat, thin, average, bald, handsome) i can pretty much say blackpill is bullsh#t. Women date with only one thing in mind... Men want hot women. If this is all you want from a woman than that might explain your experiences.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/10/21 01:47 PM
1	Couples are happier when the woman is the more attractive of the pair. There's an entire sub who's only purpose is to post studies that show how male attractiveness increases relationship quality That isn't the purpose of that sub lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/10/21 02:05 PM
1	A transgender man describes what it was like experiencing high levels of testosterone for the first time You can absolutely have a sex with a friend, it happens all the time. This is something you can google. It's probably not a good idea to have sex with a friend, it can very easily blow up in your face. But some people manage it well.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/10/21 05:35 PM
1	A transgender man describes what it was like experiencing high levels of testosterone for the first time You don't have any desire to fuck friends. Lots of people do fuck their friends you might be surprised to learn. The existence of a hypothetical scenario where you would want to fuck your friend doesn't mean you aren't friends. What matters is your intentions, are you just trying to have sex with them or do you genuinely value their platonic companionship.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/10/21 01:11 PM
1	A transgender man describes what it was like experiencing high levels of testosterone for the first time So you're saying you've wanted to fuck a woman, but became good friends with her so you stopped wanting to fuck her If I decide I want to have sex with a woman I will have already decided I don't want to be "just friends". I don't immediately want to have sex with someone upon meeting them, there's more thought that goes into it than that. Just because I am viscerally attracted to a woman, the way she looks, her character and her personality, doesn't mean I'm going to decide I want a sexual rela…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/10/21 10:54 PM
1	A transgender man describes what it was like experiencing high levels of testosterone for the first time This is oxymoronic. If you don't want to have sex with someone they're not sexually attractive to you. If I find my friend's mom sexually attractive, I still wouldn't want to have sex with her because it would fuck up my friendship with my friend. To skip the semantics argument, I would say just stop wanting to fuck them if you value the friendship, it's that simple. We can appreciate someones attractiveness, even if they are sexually arousing at times, and decide we don't want to pursue sex bec…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/10/21 03:21 PM
1	A transgender man describes what it was like experiencing high levels of testosterone for the first time If you want to have sex with someone You can be sexually attracted to someone and not want to have sex with them, just don't think about them in sexual situations. Do you just refuse to hang out with beautiful women? I don't get why that's necessary. Do you think most guys who are friends with a pretty woman are just trying to get laid? There are men who do that of course, but I don't think that's the norm. Yes some women are cool and feminine, most aren't Though it's true most dudes prefer masc…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/10/21 02:08 PM
1	A transgender man describes what it was like experiencing high levels of testosterone for the first time Why is it not possible to be friends with someone you're sexually attracted to? if you have a lot of feminine energy most men don't want that in friendships. Maybe most men don't prefer feminine energy in platonic relationships but it's not like we need to actively avoid it. A woman can be super feminine but still fun to chill with.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/10/21 01:02 PM
2	A transgender man describes what it was like experiencing high levels of testosterone for the first time What? No the reason men say this is because they want to shift blame from themselves and the way they act around women to the intangible aspects of their appearance. They don't want to take responsibility for their lack of success around women, so they need to argue that women are strongly visual in their attraction. That they actually just have male sexuality but are just more selective. It's not true, women just have different selection criteria all together. This is why being an average looki…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/10/21 12:30 PM
1	"You're an incel 'cause you're an obese neckbeard." Meanwhile at the incel meetup: Matter of perspective. I dress in the style I want, idrc if women like it or not. Obviously I won't appeal to everyone but there's millions of people, if it appeals to me it will appeal to some women as well. The issue is more men who are just lazy and slobby with their appearance generally. Even they themselves don't like how they dress they just don't care about it enough to change it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/21 06:21 PM
1	Explain to monke A woman can unilaterally abdicate her legal responsibility to be a parent at several points throughout pregnancy and becoming a new mother, and if she decides to abort the child that the sexual partner may have wanted to be a father to, well now he’s just shit out of luck and without child without any legal avenues to protect the child from being aborted. Yeah and during the act of reproduction a man can pull his penis out and go home. The woman may have wanted to be a parent but now is shit out…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/21 01:33 PM
1	Explain to monke unilaterally kill the child without the other’s consent. Good thing it's not legal to kill your child.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/21 01:16 PM
1	Explain to monke I am factually 100% right, you can feel however you want to feel about it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/21 01:11 PM
1	Explain to monke So do men, condoms, adoptions, safe haven laws, vasectomy etc. My point is there is no inequality.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/10/21 09:08 PM
1	Explain to monke fetus gets to be considered a person depending on the opinion and basically the pure whim of the woman No, this is a question for the courts and how the laws are written in a particular jurisdiction. A woman can have her own personal opinion on top of that, but her opinion doesn't matter. If the courts rule that a fetus' rights are being violated due to abortion than the abortion is not permitted regardless of her personal opinion. If a fetus really had no worth preserving, misarranges wouldn't …	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/10/21 08:57 PM
2	Explain to monke Yes and if she can't afford it she will receive public assistance. Fuck that, make him pay for his kid.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/10/21 08:39 PM
1	Explain to monke She can't kill a baby, she's aborting a fetus. We can argue about the legality of abortion e.g. where do the rights of the mother end and the rights of the fetus begin but this has nothing to do with legal parental surrender. Assuming a fetus is not a person, then only the mother should get a say. For example, you can get really attached to my appendix, but just because you care about that part of my body I still don't need to consult you before I get it removed due to appendicitis. "I care abou…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/10/21 08:11 PM
0	Explain to monke She isn't, a man can choose to value the fetus if he wants. But he doesn't get a say in what a woman does with her body. Just like she doesn't get a say if he wants to pull out prior to completing his role in reproduction. If you want me to be able to prevent a woman from getting an abortion, we would need to give women the ability to prevent men from pulling out. Currently it's equal. It doesn't matter how bad you want to have baby, the other person needs to agree. Either way though, even if th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/10/21 07:51 PM
1	Explain to monke Unless there is some sort of heightened medical risk to the mother Their might be or maybe the woman just doesn't want to undergo a medical procedure for whatever reason. It's her body her choice. If you're going to give men the ability to sign away their legal parental rights you need to give that to women as well, otherwise it's unfair. Currently, things are 100% equal, I have the same reproductive and parental rights as any woman. If I don't want to reproduce, I just stop my body from reprodu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/10/21 06:44 PM
1	Explain to monke Are you suggesting that women have continued legal/financial responsibilities towards their aborted fetus? No Because that is the only way any of what you said follows. All I'm saying it's not just a form you sign to surrender your parenthood. It's a procedure or a pill you take to prevent reproduction. It's like wearing a condom or taking a contraceptive, yes it prevents parenthood but it also prevents reproduction. The equivalent of legal parental surrender for men would be legal parental surr…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/10/21 06:25 PM
-1	This is the only one I got When have women said that they didn't like tall fit dudes? They just say you don't need to be tall or fit to have sex, get a wife, etc. which is obviously true.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/10/21 05:15 PM
1	Explain to monke It still wouldn't be fair, you would also need to give women the ability to unilaterally sign away their parental responsibilities, an ability they do not currently have. An abortion is a medical procedure, it's not a get out of parenthood free card. Can you explain how foisting the financial responsibility for a deadbeats child onto the tax payer whilst incentivizing unsafe sex is logical policy?	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/10/21 04:30 PM
4	Explain to monke That's retarded, why should I have to pay for some deadbeat losers kid? Fuck that, make him pay for his shit.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/10/21 04:24 PM
1	Is there an actually effective strategy to know if a woman has had casual relationships in the past? https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/omf2q3/july_2021_ppd_demographic_survery_results/ 57% of women here say they are in relationships	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/21 09:54 AM
1	Is there an actually effective strategy to know if a woman has had casual relationships in the past? they are here griping about men all the time. I don't see this at all. Perhaps you're just really sensitive?	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/21 09:52 AM
-1	Is there an actually effective strategy to know if a woman has had casual relationships in the past? Based on the surveys, most of the women here are happily in relationships, regardless of whether or not they are promiscuous. Because these two things aren't really related. Lots of women unhappily married to the only man they've ever been with, lots of women happily in a relationship after having fun in their early-mid 20s.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/21 09:57 PM
5	The best thing a guy can have going for him to get a particular girl is to be her physical type You still have a healthy BMI even at 6 foot 140 lbs	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/21 07:52 AM
15	Because most men haven't figured it out yet, the reason most 'advice' seems a bit cuckoo... That's how advice works, they have done something you want to do (achieved a state of being greater than the speaker) and are explaining how they did it. "I can't curl 70 lbs", man who can curl more than 70 lbs responds "lift smaller weights first" implication being they lifted smaller weights themselves. Yeah the advice can be shit too but it's always going to take this form. You can sub in any situation here: "I can't [do A]" ---> "Bro, you gotta work on x, y, and z." The implication is that t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/09/21 04:43 PM
2	Women's best sex partner-what would you have done ? Sure, if you're psychopathic enough to dispute that lying is morally wrong. I don't see how it's psychopathic, it's simply rational. If you can give a reason why lying is inherently immoral regardless of circumstance then go ahead. Maybe, if your way to visualize a scenario includes useless hyperbole. My point is that you need to do more than say "you were lying" to prove she did something immoral. We can think of millions of scenarios where lying is morally neutral or even a morally good thing …	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/08/21 09:57 PM
2	Women's best sex partner-what would you have done ? All you have to do to be right is to explain how that is You are the one who baselessly claimed "lying is wrong", the burden of proof is on you to show it is wrong. Lying isn't always bad. If an axe murderer is looking for your roommate and you know he's hidden in your closet would lying to him be morally wrong? If you are alone in the middle of the forest and you say "the sky is red" is that bad? Why? These sorts of rules are just dumb, better to look at the consequences of our actions instead …	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/08/21 03:09 PM
3	Women would be more insecure than men if they had to deal with female orbiters. It works figuratively too, being attracted but never getting any closer, falling toward but never making contact. It's a good term for it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/08/21 03:04 AM
1	"Can't wife a hoe" but, why not? Well of course you would have to concede that you don't meet the standard yourself. If you say "everyone who isn't a doctor is gross" then you would have to concede that you yourself are gross if you are not a doctor. Otherwise you are holding yourself to a different standard than others, it's a double standard. My point was that in this case he wasn't saying women with high n-counts are gross. He was saying "committing to a woman with a high n-count would make me feel icky". So the concession i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/08/21 12:17 AM
1	"Can't wife a hoe" but, why not? This isn't true, you don't have to yourself possess traits in order to find their absence repellent in others. I never said you do, I'm arguing it's not hypocritical to hold a standard you yourself don't meet.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/08/21 10:51 PM
0	"Can't wife a hoe" but, why not? Well he said committing to her would make him feel icky to be clear. Its actually not hypocritical to say people who aren't doctors are icky when you yourself aren't a doctor, you would just need to concede that you are icky. In this case, he would likely readily conceded he would feel icky dating himself, probably for more reason than one if he's straight.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/08/21 05:32 PM
8	"Can't wife a hoe" but, why not? What would be illogical is if he dated a woman he thought was icky. This is also not hypocritical since he isn't asserting those women are bad people, it's not hypocritical to avoid doctors who don't have a medical license when you yourself don't.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/08/21 05:12 PM
2	Women complaining about age gaps are just jealous Weird but weird isn't necessarily bad. Would depend on the people and circumstances, though its pretty sound advice for women to be cautious with older men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/08/21 01:42 AM
2	Summary of the academic consensus on the impact of sexual history on infidelity and divorce Not true at all, you could just not be interested in monogamy at one point in time and interested in it at another.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/08/21 03:15 PM
2	Summary of the academic consensus on the impact of sexual history on infidelity and divorce In the same way, it would be foolish to get with someone who clearly struggles with monogamy, I thought we were talking about women with high N count not women who have cheated in the past. Of course you avoid people who struggle with monogamy. If they were good at making decisions, they would find a partner before becoming a hoe. If they were capable of self-control, they would never rack up a high N-count. Non of this is substantiated, this is just your opinion.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/08/21 02:57 PM
3	Summary of the academic consensus on the impact of sexual history on infidelity and divorce who have been thieves, rapists, and murderers; but you'd be a fool to not keep them at a distance. What? This is not comparable at all. These are bad in and of themselves. High N-count isn't bad in and of itself. We don't need to post a study showing murderers are more likely to cheat in order to convince someone not to date them. If you have a high N-count you're either incapable of making good decisions and/or incapable of exercising self-control (which circles back to the former). This isn't …	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/08/21 12:15 PM
2	Empathy There's an entire article linked in the sidebar about "how to train your bitches" So, what is the Natural Order? It's an amused master male sitting atop a pile of fawning bitches who are gently cupping his balls, while the unchosen, unwashed masses of unworthy males look on with scorn and envy. It's obviously anti woman lol The Red Pill have thus far lacked is a concrete guide on how to seize the minds and hearts of bitches and make them into your property (in all but legal terms).	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/08/21 10:59 AM
3	Empathy TRP doesn't care about men in general, at most they care about men who agree with them but even that is pretty questionable.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/08/21 10:53 AM
8	How can you expect "casual sex" in non-casual or non-sexually-charged situations/environments? How can you expect a sexual outcome when you yourself aren't sexy? do NOT want men to know the truth about female nature, AF/BB, Chad vs. Brad and their sexual mating strategies. Even for the women who actually do the AF/BB meme its almost definitely not premeditated. They're usually just changing their priorities as they age, adapting to changing circumstance. They aren't hiding anything, they don't think about these things. may not be entirely clear to them. She makes it abundantly clear through her words and actions that she doesn't see him as sexually appea…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/21 02:28 AM
1	How can you expect "casual sex" in non-casual or non-sexually-charged situations/environments? How can you expect a sexual outcome when you yourself aren't sexy? If you are equating having a women with having kids, everything you say applies to women as well. Dual income no kids is cheaper as long as you find someone else with the same minimalist mindset.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/21 12:18 AM
5	How can you expect "casual sex" in non-casual or non-sexually-charged situations/environments? How can you expect a sexual outcome when you yourself aren't sexy? And women want some men to fuck, some to do work, some to be friends, and for none of these men to have any awareness about their very different roles in women's lives. Lol what? Why would women want men to "have no awareness about their role in her life"? If she wants to fuck a man, she wants him to know she wants to fuck, not just be friends. If she wants to be friends with a man, of course she wants him to know she's not interested in sex.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/07/21 11:57 PM
0	What inclines certain women to choose emasculated men? Boring compared to what? Anyone can be bored by anything but art is probably one of the least boring things objectively. Don't know if I've met someone who was didn't like some type of art.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 11:45 PM
1	When a woman makes a man jump through hoops for sex, he should immediately discard her and find another woman supposed to be living these individual lives and it shows in our health. It might be good for them to have a relationship but that doesn't mean they deserve one.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 01:53 PM
14	Looks matching is irrelevant I think the issue that men here are overestimating their own attractiveness which is rather common of unnattractive people generally	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 01:50 PM
1	When a woman makes a man jump through hoops for sex, he should immediately discard her and find another woman The guy you were talking too was more talking about romantic value specifically I think. Not everyone gets what they deserves. I wouldn't say anyone "deserves" romance inherently, that seems a little entitled. If that's not what you meant, I'm not sure how you would go about determining who "deserves" romance.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 07:20 AM
1	When a woman makes a man jump through hoops for sex, he should immediately discard her and find another woman Everyone has inherent value Assuming you mean romantic value how do you know this? How do you even measure this for people who are unwanted? If someone gets 0 romantic attention how do you know they have inherent value? Even if you could somehow show it's there, what's the functional difference between having no value and having not enough value to experience romance?	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/21 07:05 AM
1	What will be the effects of the present dating market 10 years from now? I'm not an economist but I don't see why that's the case, as far as I'm aware critique that "capitalism requires constant growth" is made regardless of using gold or fiat currency. I honestly disagree with these critiques anyway, I think even in a capitalist system we can reach a steady state economy, this article makes good arguments for this. Though I've never heard any argument relating the gold standard to the topic of a steady-state economy so maybe I'm wrong, I'd be interested in hearing i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/21 12:35 PM
9	Lets be honest: men aren't primarily attracted to 'natural' women that don't take care of their appearance that much. Makeup and other enhancements work Don't ask men these sorts of questions. Look at what people do, not what they say.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/21 11:07 AM
1	What will be the effects of the present dating market 10 years from now? I don't see the connection	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/21 11:43 PM
1	What will be the effects of the present dating market 10 years from now? old people will need to work until they die. No you could save & invest your money wisely.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/21 11:41 PM
1	Non redpill individuals what advice would you give to an average dude having trouble with women personality (which means being a nice person) That's not what that means though, that's not what that's ever meant. Being nice is just one component of your personality (in fact I'd say it's more a component of your character but whatever), you can have the personality of wet mop and still be a nice person. education would have girls lining up. THAT is real blue pill advice. Money is important but money isn't everything. You can't buy love. That's like, common sense. TRP once it became clear tha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/21 03:07 PM
5	What will be the effects of the present dating market 10 years from now? the system crashes. This is more a critique of the system as-is than it is a critique of declining birth rates. Any system that depends on exponential growth in an environment of scarcity is doomed to fail.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/21 02:38 PM
1	Non redpill individuals what advice would you give to an average dude having trouble with women The phrasing of this is always strange to me because I think you guys know it would be absolutely ridiculous for you to say "I didn't know women liked confidence in men" or "I didn't know women liked men who were fit". The fact these traits were valuable has always been super obvious and explicitly stated in "blue pilled" dating advice everywhere. If you had a problem being attractive to women why didn't you just do the things that were obviously valuable to women? Or did you think they liked Ta…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/21 02:19 PM
1	Non redpill individuals what advice would you give to an average dude having trouble with women Because it comes with a bunch of dumb shit baked in as well. Pay attention to what actually gets disputed on here, it's not the common knowledge shit like "don't be a door mat", "be confident and assertive", and "working out gets you more attention from women."	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/21 02:14 PM
2	Non redpill individuals what advice would you give to an average dude having trouble with women I imagine it's skewed the other way, there are probably more people who are aged 22-23 having sex for the first time than people who are 11-12. The median is probably a bit below 17 knowing the average is 17. Needless to say, there are probably more outliers losing the virginity at 30 then there are outliers losing their virginity at 2.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/21 02:00 PM
4	Dunking on Legal Age Gaps Really Needs to Die 30 year old men have just as much baggage lol.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/21 12:45 PM
0	What exactly did TRP teach you that normal dating advice doesn't? they will eventually get a woman just by being themselves Being yourself just means don't be someone youre not. Don't pretend to be really in to skateboarding when you aren't into it for example. It goes along with the "treat women like people" thing too where you shouldn't be catering your interests to women. If you like videogames, then keep playing them, plenty of fish in the sea. It doesn't mean never improve. No mentally stable person has ever suggested that you don't improve. being nice, a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/21 06:00 AM
0	What exactly did TRP teach you that normal dating advice doesn't? just be yourself and hot women will some day be attracted to you. Nobody says this lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/21 05:48 AM
2	In your opinion. When you look at the men around you. What do you think is causing the modern sexlessnes of under 30 men? Everything that hasn't reproduced successfully has no purpose, because it doesn't exist anymore I don't know what you mean by "exist". Obviously you die either way if you reproduce or not. Obviously the actual matter in your body is recycled either way as well, most of that matter doesn't even come from your parents anyway. If people's lives don't serve to reproduce the species, but instead individuals serve to affect the species quality of life as a hive No, we don't serve any objective purpose…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/21 07:35 PM
-1	Study: Most romantic relationships start as friendships No, I called it cherry picking because you picked out one part of my argument and ignored the rest to try and win via a logical fallacy. My argument only pertains to one part of your comment. I never actually disagreed with your assertion that we can't definitively say "most romantic relationships start as friendships" based on this survey. This is why I didn't dispute those parts of your comment. I picked out that one part of your argument because it's terrible reasoning and would result in thr…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/21 04:15 PM
0	Study: Most romantic relationships start as friendships While this study even says directly that the data is likely to be biased and that more studies need to be conducted to get any clear picture of what is really going on. Yeah the survey only suggests that 68.2% of people believe they were friends prior to when their relationships started. I'm not disputing that this is limited without a clear definition of friendship. I'm disputing one specific criticism you made of the study, which is why I quoted that specific criticism and none of your other c…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/21 03:35 PM
4	Study: Most romantic relationships start as friendships Well I presume the reason he agrees with that other survey is because he thinks men would want to appear more "alpha" so they wouldn't understate how much sex they are having. I was mostly asking to ensure he doesn't throw out "what they say" surveys wholesale since I can't see a reason why people would over report dating their friends.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/21 02:11 PM
3	Study: Most romantic relationships start as friendships It is a “what they say” survey Did you have this same complaint for the survey on the rise of male sexlessness? Why would people lie about a topic like this?	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/21 02:03 PM
2	In your opinion. When you look at the men around you. What do you think is causing the modern sexlessnes of under 30 men? I mean, purpose exists in nature all the time. Not in this sense, no. All creatures attempt to reproduce unless they have defective programming Circular argument, "defective" presupposes that our purpose is to reproduce. It is a weird personification of nature. People who don't want to reproduce aren't "defective" any more than uranium is "defective" because it is unstable and therefore not persistent in our environment. All activities that a creature performs are towards its own reproduction, w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/21 01:43 PM
8	In your opinion. When you look at the men around you. What do you think is causing the modern sexlessnes of under 30 men? We're all functionally monkeys whose sole purpose is to reproduce. "Purpose" in this sense doesn't exist in nature. A biological drive is not a purpose. This is an oddly religious line of thinking, instead of God putting man on earth with some divine purpose you think evolution put us on earth to reproduce. No, it's just that under the right conditions a primordial soup will produce different self replicating organic polymers. These polymers would eventually become more complex through natural s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/21 12:27 AM
8	In your opinion. When you look at the men around you. What do you think is causing the modern sexlessnes of under 30 men? Evolution can't determine the worth of your life.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/21 11:54 PM
0	In your opinion. When you look at the men around you. What do you think is causing the modern sexlessnes of under 30 men? It's applicable to anything with a normal distribution. No it's a different distribution entirely. It's the Pareto distribution.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/21 10:51 PM
18	In your opinion. When you look at the men around you. What do you think is causing the modern sexlessnes of under 30 men? not just to prove to females that they are worthy of them but that they are worthy in life, so their life has meaning. The things that make women attracted to you are not necessarily the same things that give your life meaning. Women are not the arbiters of male worth. Your life is your own to do with as you will, everyone ascribes their own meaning to life and have their own goals and aspirations or lack thereof.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/21 09:59 PM
1	How can we have productive debate when women are accused of lying anytime they say The Red Pill doesn’t match their reality? Support your anecdotes with data whenever you can, if you can't just point out there is no data and it's your experiences vs theirs	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/21 12:24 AM
1	Why do women think the bar is set low meanwhile men think it’s set high ? My point is that, relative to women, the bar in this particular dimension is high. Everything else you said here just boils down to gender roles.. why can't the man quit his job and take care of the kids full time? He could but that's not typical in our society. Same reason why women are typically the ones who have to spend more on cosmetics and men typically have to spend more on dates. It's gender roles. I'm not saying one particular set of gender roles is worse than another either, honestly I…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/21 11:32 PM
1	Men should normalize wearing height extenders, as they are comparable to make-up for women Kindof too good to be true, I found a video on YouTube of a guy measuring height while wearing lifts and he only got about half of what was advertised.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/21 10:07 PM
0	Men should normalize wearing height extenders, as they are comparable to make-up for women You can get up to 6 inch elevator shoes apparently. Just looked it up lol.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/21 09:47 PM
6	If a woman rushes into sex with you quickly, she does not care about you beyond sexual carthasis, because intimacy does not develop quickly, and people who like people care about their opinion A woman who doesn’t fuck a man as quickly as others is less physically attracted to him I thought the red pilled crowd already admitted there are many reasons for why a woman might delay sex with someone. You're free to only date women who are easy if you want of course. But it's silly to say all women who delay sex are doing so maliciously.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/21 04:56 PM
19	Why do women think the bar is set low meanwhile men think it’s set high ? The bar is low in some areas but high in others. Men are praised at times for doing some pretty bare minimum shit like looking after their kids when his wife is sick. The average man also doesn't do as much for his appearance compared to the average woman. We don't wear make up or do our hair and nails to the same extent, we generally have pretty low standards for grooming. On the other hand women want a man who earns more than her, and since women are pretty economically competitive these days …	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/21 03:17 PM
2	Why are women in this sub who are skewed 30+ hang around? The results are stickied on the sub right now, here's a link	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/21 02:34 PM
4	Why are women in this sub who are skewed 30+ hang around? Majority of women on this sub are in relationships according to the survey.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/21 01:54 PM
11	It’s a terrible practice for women to fuck one dude quickly and make the guy she actually “likes” wait Or the dude just wasn't looking for commitment and she wasn't going to put out unless he lied and said he was. He could also just have an inflated ego and thinks he's better than he is. Bottom line, if he's that much better than her he wouldn't need to lie, he could ask her if shes looking for something casual. In which case it's not a pump and dump, it's a hookup. HVM don't need to date under a false pretense of romantic interested in order to get their dick wet.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/21 08:13 PM
2	Did you ever go to various dates with different guys at the same time? You don't treat it like a job interview. Do you understand how analogies work? It's comparable to a job interview in that you don't know if you will get the job or if you even want the job before you see the salary. That doesn't mean you approach it the same way or that it's similar in any other way than the uncertainty of outcome.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/21 03:09 PM
2	Did you ever go to various dates with different guys at the same time? How do you know those were other dudes she was dating? That just seems weird. You can be present of mind while having other people text you, you just ignore the texts. If she didn't she was probably just not that into you. At any rate if you want committment then you need to ask for it. These have been the social conventions for at minimum the last 80 years and before that it was custom casually date then get married immediately, not to steady date a single person you weren't married to.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/21 03:04 PM
4	Did you ever go to various dates with different guys at the same time? Nobody has the time to date 20 whole people at once. You also don't sleep with most of them, just the ones who make it past a certain threshold like 3rd date or something. Men do this too btw, I'm surprised this is a new idea to you. Nobody deletes tinder after getting a first date, it would be like declining all other job interviews when you get your first interview. You don't know if you are compatible or really anything about them until you go on a date.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/21 01:46 PM
7	Did you ever go to various dates with different guys at the same time? The concept of "going steady" Has been a thing for 80 years. Before you agree to "go steady" you date other people, sometimes multiple people. If you read the history portion you will see that even before WW2 it was common to "play the field" and date multiple people.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/21 11:25 AM
0	You should make an OLD account of the opposite sex before even attempting to comment/give advice on dating for that respective sex. The reality that saying "hey" to people on dating apps doesn't work? That's all this video shows, they didn't even let her pick the pictures lmao. She just swiped on people and sent them low effort messages and, shocker, it didn't work. Everybody knows this wouldn't work, especially women, which is why I know she doesn't use dating apps.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/21 11:02 AM
11	It's ok for a man to change his mind about wanting a relationship after he has sex with you, you are not entitled to commitment and people have the right to change their minds. You're no better than the men you criticize here. Is anyone going to disagree with you? The issue people have is with lying not when people change their mind. Remember this is the culture that y'all(women) wanted, you asked for it and you got it. How does it feel. I don't get this, are you arguing that having the ability to change your mind is a bad thing? If there's no committment there's no committment, you can leave when you want.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/21 06:29 PM
-5	You should make an OLD account of the opposite sex before even attempting to comment/give advice on dating for that respective sex. If she used tinder for any reasonable amount of time it would be obvious to her that saying "hey" will get you no where. Idk maybe she uses it all the time and is just retarded or maybe a paid actress who knows.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/21 02:31 AM
-1	You should make an OLD account of the opposite sex before even attempting to comment/give advice on dating for that respective sex. Pick any one of the top 10 most popular papers from blackpill science subreddit and disprove it. My issue is with the use and interpretation of data not the studies themselves. For example the top study on BPS is about the discrepancy in likes between men and women on dating apps. I wouldnt dispute that this discrepancy exists. I would dispute that this study "proves hypergamy" or some shit. They can't think like a dude. Solipsism. You don't need to think like a dude to know as a woman you are g…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/21 12:10 AM
-6	You should make an OLD account of the opposite sex before even attempting to comment/give advice on dating for that respective sex. You bloops are pretty good at handwaving away all research papers Actually we are good at reading research papers which is why we aren't red pilled. 99% of you don't read the shit you post, it hardly ever proves what you think it does and often contradicts your own arguments. It makes sense, you get your sources from grifters on YouTube. how she thought she would have an advantage because she knows what women want. Again she doesn't even know how to use tinder, clearly. She has no advantage if s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/21 11:54 PM
-13	You should make an OLD account of the opposite sex before even attempting to comment/give advice on dating for that respective sex. This was an 18 year old chick that never even used tinder before, she didn't even know how to navigate the app. She sent "hey" because she didn't understand tinder etiquette in the slightest. Put a 26 year old woman with tinder experience in there, you'll get completely different results. She would have used the lines that worked on her based on her own experience. Like most of this dudes videos he sets out to provide something for his audience to circle jerk to, he wasn't actually doing an expe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/21 11:16 PM
2	What adds to n-count, in your opinion? Even if I were to accept this "just-so" story as fact it still wouldn't mean "low N" is equally disgusting as "high N". There would obviously be a greater risk of paternity fraud from a woman who is more promiscuous.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/21 10:42 PM
2	What adds to n-count, in your opinion? Which brings me to my original question, why do you think this?	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/21 10:25 PM
2	What adds to n-count, in your opinion? Of course not as much but whenever it does come up the most upvoted female perspectives are about wanting a man with a low N-count. Other women in the thread will say they prefer a man with a higher n-count, this is probably due to the population of women on the sub skewing towards restrictive sociosexuality but women outside of this do exist. My point is that clearly these women don't have these preferences because they want a pure virgin male because that stereotype/ideal doesn't exist for men…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/21 10:18 PM
2	What adds to n-count, in your opinion? I don’t gaf about “n count” at all. That’s a mostly male obsession which honestly feels like a c*pe for an intense desire for a “virgin.” Why do you think that? Obviously N-count is a function of your sociosexuality and views on sex in general. It's possible to want a woman with low N and not want a virgin woman. Infact, when asked, many women on this sub echoed that sentiment.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/21 09:14 PM
8	Romance as depicted by media has set more unrealistic expectations in men than in women. Hallmark movies usually a mid 30s - 50 y.o. woman not a babe.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/21 07:41 PM
8	Women do think physical attractiveness is important. It's just not impossibly high standards. Just don't be a neckbeard. The wall lmao	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/21 03:38 AM
2	CMV: If you’re a man of average genetic physicality, you are equipped to attract romantic relationships and hookups. Again we are speaking about average people. So 30% didn’t have sex Do you believe these men to be above or below average? Additionally, all it would take to fall into that 70% is having sex one time in a year. You were claiming they couldn't get hookups or relationships, clearly they can. We have no data on how much effort they put in or how many people they were with. For all we know that 30% never even asked a woman out. All we know for certain is that average men can get relationships and hoo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/21 03:29 AM
3	CMV: If you’re a man of average genetic physicality, you are equipped to attract romantic relationships and hookups. The statistics don't bear this out at all. 70% had sex in the last year according that poll from 2018, obviously they either had a hookup or a relationship. And that was from the cohort that had the least sex, the older generations did even better.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/21 03:15 AM
2	CMV: If you’re a man of average genetic physicality, you are equipped to attract romantic relationships and hookups. I’m above average in every way except physical attractivenesa Perhaps I wasn't clear when I said "this thread is about average people" I meant like physically average, like 4/10 to 6/10. From the OP: If a guy is at least within the average range with regards to genetic physicality Genetic physicality is the bonestructue you are refering to, the thread was about whether or not physically average men can get relationships or hookups. There’s nothing anybody “could have done differently” about that…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/21 03:06 AM
2	CMV: If you’re a man of average genetic physicality, you are equipped to attract romantic relationships and hookups. I'm 4/10 with a chest wall deformity and more feminine personality. currently in grad school, don't make much money at all. Used to be really socially awkward too. It's really not that bad. You are not average. Or your personality isn't as good as you think it is. I actually think it's the latter one because people who tend to blame their problems on their circumstances instead of what they could have done differently are almost universally sucky to be around.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/21 02:53 AM
2	CMV: If you’re a man of average genetic physicality, you are equipped to attract romantic relationships and hookups. This thread is about average looking men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/21 02:44 AM
3	Women do think physical attractiveness is important. It's just not impossibly high standards. Just don't be a neckbeard. Yeah they showed a picture, he was atleast good looking enough to cheat on his wife back then!	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/21 02:38 AM
2	CMV: If you’re a man of average genetic physicality, you are equipped to attract romantic relationships and hookups. You think nice social guys do worse than guys who aren't social? The guy above even says it outright, the issue isn't that they're nice or easy to be around it's that they're boring.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/21 01:34 AM
4	CMV: If you’re a man of average genetic physicality, you are equipped to attract romantic relationships and hookups. The guys I know who have had the longest dry spells are really nice, decent, above average, friendly, social, neurotypical guys, who are just too milquetoast to succeed with women Not my experience at all, guys who are antisocial are by far the worst with women and it's not close. Most friendly social guys do just fine with women, especially if they are above average.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/21 01:16 AM
–	Women do think physical attractiveness is important. It's just not impossibly high standards. Just don't be a neckbeard. Oh she's chubby but not really fat imo, certainly not as big as ed. She is a single mom though. He also looks better with his new haircut but I think the only reason he is even able to date is clout.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/07/21 08:11 PM
–	Women do think physical attractiveness is important. It's just not impossibly high standards. Just don't be a neckbeard. Big Ed actually got laid though, even in the spin off he was sleeping with Liz who is American.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/07/21 08:05 PM
–	Women do think physical attractiveness is important. It's just not impossibly high standards. Just don't be a neckbeard. how can they expect a woman to think they are super hot? You are mischaracterizing their argument, they don't expect this. They are actually cautioning men against believing women who claim to find a man "super-hot" when he is not in the top 20%. They are telling men not to LTR those women, in fact do not LTR at all because women will not find you attractive in the bottom 80%. The point of debate is the what % of men are actually considered unnattractive, i.e. is 80/20 a thing or are men just la…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/07/21 05:15 PM
7	If you’re of average genetic physical looks and are “incel,” the actual “black pill” is that you are involuntarily romantically uninvolved because of your divergent personality and malsocialization. Most women are not this stupid, they aren't sleeping with guys significantly out of their league expecting a relationship. A lot just want to have casual sex and fwb until they reach an age where they want to settle down. Men do this too, it's completely normal and even logical given the transience of young adult life. Maybe your career goals will take you to the other side of the country, who knows when you're 21.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/07/21 03:08 PM
2	Is It Now More Difficult For Not So Attractive Men To Get Partners? She was being sarcastic	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/07/21 01:27 PM
29	Woman don't consider overweight and obese woman to have as negative of a sexual marketplace value as men. I'm not sure I've seen what you're talking about specifically on this sub but it's fairly taboo for a woman to insult another woman's appearance. They are usually very supportive of one another outwardly. If you talk to a fat woman though, she knows lol. I would actually argue they have a better understanding of how their weight affects their smv than men do. A lot of fat guys seem to think them being "big" is a positive thing even with a high body fat %. If anything women are more likely to ove…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/07/21 02:22 AM
3	The 2nd biggest dating problem for men is the obsession of wanting instant sexual gratification. If you have some weird non negotiable kinks or something you should just be upfront about them. Same as if you have some sort of sexual deformity or health issue. But this is true if you are having sex on the 1st date or 10th date. Anything else you just communicate and get it to work. That sounds a lot like the female strategy of dating Personally I think every dude should have sex at the pace they want to. If you want it 1st date then go for it. I just push back on the idea that not having sex…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/21 10:10 PM
4	The 2nd biggest dating problem for men is the obsession of wanting instant sexual gratification. The fact you are courting one another makes it romantic. The entire tone and mood of a date is different than just meeting up with a friend. It's flirtatious, you build sexual tension and you bond with one another as you show more vulnerability. You continually get more emotionally and physically intimate as you strengthen your relationship and increasingly integrate into each other's lives. When you meet up with a friend you're just having fun, if you go on a date you're having fun and falling …	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/21 09:39 PM
3	The 2nd biggest dating problem for men is the obsession of wanting instant sexual gratification. So what's the difference between two males Well unless they're gay this won't be romantic.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/21 08:26 PM
19	The same way women shouldn’t settle for bums. Men shouldn’t settle for women who don’t give them regular enthusiastic sex. It doesn't need to be equal for her to want regular sex with you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/21 05:35 PM
7	Women wearing tons of makeup and Shapewear are just as pathetic as men who rent cars and pretend to be much wealthier than they are. Changing your appearance doesn't change how wealthy you actually are. Changing your appearance changes how physically attractive you are.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/21 01:49 AM
12	Women wearing tons of makeup and Shapewear are just as pathetic as men who rent cars and pretend to be much wealthier than they are. They are not pretending anything, they are changing their appearance which changes how attractive they are.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/21 01:43 AM
15	Women wearing tons of makeup and Shapewear are just as pathetic as men who rent cars and pretend to be much wealthier than they are. If women didn't look better with makeup on, they wouldn't wear it. That's the point of makeup to, to alter your physical appearance. And it works, Google before and after photos, they definitely look better. Women are more visually appealing while they are wearing makeup. Trump mask doesn't make me Trump Women aren't pretending to be someone else when they wear makeup.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/21 01:23 AM
13	Women wearing tons of makeup and Shapewear are just as pathetic as men who rent cars and pretend to be much wealthier than they are. Physical attractiveness is all about how you look. Looking rich doesn't make you rich but looking attractive does make you physically attractive. Making yourself look better is the only way to improve your physical attractiveness. Making yourself look rich doesn't do anything to improve your wealth.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/21 12:51 AM
16	Women wearing tons of makeup and Shapewear are just as pathetic as men who rent cars and pretend to be much wealthier than they are. Yeah it makes her look more attractive lol. Renting a care doesn't make you any richer but wearing makeup does make you more attractive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/21 12:37 AM
21	Women wearing tons of makeup and Shapewear are just as pathetic as men who rent cars and pretend to be much wealthier than they are. I disagree, it's easy to tell when a woman is wearing makeup but you can't tell if a car is a rental unless someone tells you. Makeup isn't meant to deceive you, it's meant to make her look more attractive. The equivalent of makeup is using a hair product or something, which women do too of course. Those types of things are in the same category.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/21 12:29 AM
2	Most women don't have "different standards for different men". There's different standards for hookups and different standards for relationships. None of this is your call to make for anyone other than yourself. I agree and never said otherwise.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/21 09:27 PM
1	Most women don't have "different standards for different men". There's different standards for hookups and different standards for relationships. You said men get all these alleged benefits and maybe you have to wait but you’ll get sex eventually I simply stated the benefits men will generally get in an LTR. Generally speaking, all these things are true. and lectured men how those are better than sex. I said those benefits are better than just sex, in my opinion. I didn't tell others what to think. You were telling men what they should want or need or what is “enough” I did no such thing, I even stated men with unrestricted sociosexuality…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/21 09:20 PM
2	Most women don't have "different standards for different men". There's different standards for hookups and different standards for relationships. You did. I didn't. I said some men are going to like being Guy A more, some are going to like being Guy B more. Men are not a monolith, we have different values, wants etc. Except…. You’re all like that. Strange, I'm a man and never dated a woman like that. My friends have pretty good girlfriends too, and my female friends are good to their men. If I can do it, you can too.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/21 08:43 PM