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God, you make me sick. If you haven't had sex yet, why are you "in a relationship"? And if you are in a relationship, why wouldn't she want to "comply with your requests"? And if she doesn't, why would you "propose that you go separate ways" instead of simply nexting her? She's not that into you, or else she would be happy to do what you tell her to do. To make her interested, you can't beg and grovel and ask her if she wouldn't pretty please consider sometimes doing a little bit of what you ask…
/r/TheRedPill03/12/21 12:49 AM
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Maybe just pick up snowboarding so that you also start from zero.
/r/RedPillWomen29/04/18 01:02 AM
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god dame Dame, son, that's an unfortunate typo.
/r/TheRedPill28/11/17 10:54 AM
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Commenting again because I now looked up the originial source, the CDC report. (Which you can download here.) It's nonsense. The homepage you quote must have severly misinterpreted something. In 2006-2010, the probability of a first marriage lasting at least 10 years was 68% for women and 70% for men. Looking at 20 years, the probability that the first marriages of women and men will survive was 52% for women and 56% for men in 2006-2010. The chance that a marriage survives 10 years is around 70…
/r/TheRedPill11/10/17 06:51 PM
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That math makes no sense. If there are more marriages than divorces every year (as there always have been), you can never get anywhere close to a 90% chance of marriage ending in divorce. Doesn't matter if you start with 0 marriages or with hundreds of millions. In fact, starting with a lot of marriages at a given number of divorces obviously only means that the new marriages have a better chance of lasting, since there are fewer divorces "left over" to use on new marriages after we've already d…
/r/TheRedPill11/10/17 06:40 PM
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That's the same link he already posted. Nope, I still don't believe it. If you want to, I can also repost my link which contradicts it (just as hundreds of other sources do).
/r/TheRedPill11/10/17 06:32 PM
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The most important statistic is the probability that any marriage will survive 10 years. It's 6.6 percent. I don't think that's correct. You typically hear that around 50% of all marriages end in divorce (or around 40% of first marriages a few years back), but according to your source, it would be 93.4% of marriages that are divorced within 10 years. That just sounds like some kind of miscalculation. If it's accurate, it would be by far the most shocking statistic about marriage I've ever heard.
/r/TheRedPill11/10/17 08:43 AM
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1. Reddit has this weird idea that every new list should start with 1, no matter what number you actually used. Here's what you can do about it: 2. You simply write a \ between the number and the dot. The backslash tells reddit that the next character should be treated as plain text, not as a command. The backslash itself is invisible. If you want a backslash to actually show up, you have to use two backslashes: \.
/r/TheRedPill18/09/17 06:04 PM
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Fixed formatting. Firstly, my teachers are almost entirely male. There are about 2 female teachers in the school. This affords a ton of excellent male role models. Mind you, most of these men are older, tough guys, not cucks. Some examples include my English teacher, who not only introduces us to great literature but also introduces us to controversial ideas and encourages critical thinking. One class he just read the wallstreet journal and gave out his opinions. He talked about how women tend n…
/r/TheRedPill04/09/17 10:47 PM
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Dating at 30 has taught me one thing. Girls this age Dating at 30 has taught me that you shouldn't date 30 year-old girls when you are 30. There are 24 year-olds out there waiting for you, and they are impressed that you have a job and your own place and all that stuff. The 30 year-olds will still be there when you're 45.
/r/TheRedPill21/03/17 09:31 PM
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You fail to see everybody else's point. Bad upbringing can give you harder start and demand more effort for same results as someone with "priviliged" start Exactly. And that's why people deserve most respect if they overcome the disadvantage of their upbringing and get fit anyway. This doesn't take away anything from people who never let themselves get fat in the first place - that's of course the smarter, better thing to do in life. People deserve the most criticism if they grew up with good ro…
/r/TheRedPill07/11/16 02:01 PM
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So you're cool with providing exactly the service shown in this video. Good to know!
/r/TheRedPill04/11/16 04:09 PM
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because attraction is not a co soups logical decision, it is instinctual and it is it a choice. co soups = conscious it is it a choice = it isn't a choice Women wasn't you to be a little higher wasn't = want
/r/seduction03/11/16 04:27 PM
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I don't have good tips nor much time at the moment, just a heads-up: if your post gets deleted, it's because you should have posted in /asktrp. And you propably should give more info about yourself. Age, job, bit of history. Good luck!
/r/TheRedPill24/10/16 03:36 PM
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based on the simple fact you neglect to ASK what I am studying first Here's what I wrote: What are you studying And your stories pretty obviously don't take place in any IT related class.
/r/TheRedPill27/09/16 01:52 PM
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What are you studying, and why do you continue to study it when it's so obviously worthless?
/r/TheRedPill27/09/16 12:37 PM
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It's still better to be a man than to be a woman. Most of the advantages women have go away when they turn 30. 30 is not that old - you still have most of your life ahead of you. For most women at 30 however, the best part is already over, and they are fighting a losing battle against decay. For a man at age 30, it doesn't matter much what his life was like so far - he can still turn everything around and have a great and exciting life.
/r/TheRedPill25/08/16 11:40 AM
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Because you adopted OP's typo, I just want to point out that the disease is spelled Crohn's.
/r/TheRedPill15/08/16 08:13 AM
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the future she would of have had they stayed married. the future she would have had had they stayed married.
/r/TheRedPill08/06/16 11:23 AM
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Or without RES, by adding +null to the subreddit name.
/r/TheRedPill02/06/16 11:13 AM
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Of course. But this is mostly meant to be motivational, not true in a strictly mathematical sense - nobody really expects you to be 37 times as good as you were a year ago at anything. But improve by a tiny bit every day, and it adds up to a huge improvement over time.
/r/TheRedPill29/05/16 06:38 PM
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Shortest version I ever read of how improving yourself works: 1.01365 = 37.78 0.99365 = 0.03
/r/TheRedPill24/05/16 11:35 PM
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Whoa whoa we got ourselves a tough guy here folks. I find your point pretty convincing, but you need to cut out this childish crap.
/r/TheRedPill19/05/16 08:25 AM
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Krav Maga is not a sport at all, it's a self-defense or fighting system. In sports, there are rules, scoring systems, and competitions. All of this traditionally doesn't exist in Krav Maga.
/r/TheRedPill12/05/16 08:23 AM
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In the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland, a P45 is the reference code of a form titled Details of employee leaving work. The term is used in British slang as a metonym for termination of employment. The equivalent slang term in the United States is pink slip.
/r/TheRedPill26/04/16 07:15 AM
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And yet, Yahoo stock has been doing great since she took over. More than doubled in value in fact - outperforming Microsoft, roughly on a par with google/Alphabet. Got a good explanation for that, OP?
/r/TheRedPill20/04/16 07:48 AM
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What you just linked says that if you exercise regularly, showering more often is necessary. "More often" than just eery other day or two out of three days. Showering twice a day is definitely excessive and not healthy for your skin.
/r/TheRedPill15/03/16 11:19 PM
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If you work out every day, just shower every day after working out.
/r/TheRedPill15/03/16 05:04 PM
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I shower twice a day That is far too often. If you want to do your skin a favor, even showering once every day is probably too much. Experts tend to agree that most people should avoid showering too frequently and in fact, if they reduce the frequency it can be an incredibly healthy decision for their skin. The exceptions to this rule are people who commute in the subway or other crowded spaces, go to the gym daily or are in contact with potentially sick people (such as those coughing, sneezing …
/r/TheRedPill15/03/16 10:45 AM
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The sidebar can! From the glossary: Plate - Woman with whom you are in a non-exclusive sexual relationship with. Spinning plates is the act of having multiple plates simultaneously. Go read the sidebar, and don't even think about posting here until you've read it all. For any questions, post in /asktrp.
/r/TheRedPill15/03/16 10:24 AM
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It says "woke him to perform", not "woke him by performing". He wasn't asleep anymore (according to this snippet).
/r/TheRedPill15/03/16 10:12 AM
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You realize that Hillary is not Jewish, while Bernie Sanders is?
/r/TheRedPill19/02/16 03:50 PM
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EDIT 3: To those "alphas" calling me beta-as-fuck, that I'm emasculating myself, that I can't keep my woman in line, etc., If that was any of you guys - cut that shit out! Nobody wants you to spread TRP anywhere else on reddit, or in real life (except by example). They don't want it, and we don't want it. If you want to talk about TRP, do it right here! Telling other people how beta they are doesn't make you the man, anyway.
/r/TheRedPill16/12/15 08:46 AM
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Nothing to understand, really. You just ask her opinion giving two ridiculous alternatives. No matter what she says, you take the conversation from there. OP did a very good job on continuing after she picked the nun: "Cool, so I'll be the first nun with a beard and a surprise under her skirt!" Instead of nun and terrorist, it could also be professional pole dancer and secret agent.
/r/TheRedPill30/11/15 09:24 AM
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Maybe this guide helps you. Meditation Instructions: Sit comfortably, with your spine erect, either in chair or cross-legged on a cushion. Close your eyes, take a few deep breaths, and feel the points of contact between your body and the chair or floor. Notice the sensations associated with sitting—feelings of pressure, warmth, tingling, vibration, etc. Gradually become aware of the process of breathing. Pay attention to wherever you feel the breath most clearly—either at the nostrils, or in the…
/r/TheRedPill12/11/15 12:30 PM
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At 35, a woman has less than 10% chance of being able to get pregnant Just to make sure people understand this correctly: it's per month of trying. So for every 100 women at age 35 who are regularly having unprotected sex, around 10 would get pregnant every month. That still means that after a year of trying, aroung 60% would be pregnant. Still, the number is much higher for younger women.
/r/TheRedPill22/10/15 09:49 AM
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What does the TRP rules say? The only rule I'm aware of says that you can't call it "the TRP".
/r/TheRedPill13/10/15 10:59 AM
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This reads like poorly written fan fiction.
/r/TheRedPill14/09/15 02:21 PM
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This woman just thinks that by going the redpill-way she gets the best man she can have. Tammy Bruce is a lesbian. Five seconds on google.
/r/TheRedPill02/08/15 11:58 AM
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It's not like using many "ironic" negations isn't not even a little bit discombobulating, but at least it's not the least bit funny. Write what you mean to say. Not some "it's not like" ironic bullshit.
/r/TheRedPill25/07/15 03:35 PM
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Morpheus found Neo, not the other way round.
/r/TheRedPill17/07/15 07:55 AM
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Don't try to teach what you haven't learned yet. Your "lesson" is something that you didn't do, just something that you think you should have done. Since you haven't done it, you're also not teaching how to do it in any way. Congratulations on your breakthrough. But if anything, you should post this to /thanktrp.
/r/TheRedPill17/07/15 07:39 AM
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Good rules. Since this is a mod/meta thread, it might be a good place to ask this small question: is there a reason that the link to our "sister sub" (redpillwomen) has been removed from the sidebar?
/r/TheRedPill16/06/15 09:37 AM
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Not having a name as a family is much more of a hassle.
/r/TheRedPill11/06/15 11:51 AM
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No, you don't. Do not mention TRP to him. If you do, chances are that it won't convince him, but you will lose a friend. Show, don't tell. If he asks for your advice, give him some redpill advice, but still don't mention this sub. Until he asks, keep this stuff to yourself. If he never asks, he would either not be recipient anyway, or you're simply not showing enough that this actually works.
/r/TheRedPill11/06/15 11:47 AM
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This thread was already discussed on TRP four months ago. Can't link within reddit, but you find it easily if you search TRP for "compliments". ("In a rare moment of honesty...")
/r/TheRedPill08/06/15 02:19 PM
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Nope. We have 22 other chromosome pairs, which are all inherited as a mixture of both parents' DNA. It's possible that no or few "genes for the brain" are on the Y chromosome. But they certainly aren't all on the X either.
/r/TheRedPill30/05/15 03:38 PM
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Being president of the USA. Becoming president of the World bank. Really, that question is just silly for politicians.
/r/TheRedPill22/05/15 07:23 PM
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It's just weird how these people are trying to make young women feel bad about being women, telling them that they are only worth anything if they compete with men. I'm sure you're right that many women believe this. But you're also right that you shouldn't care about the people telling you that only male virtues are worth anything. Don't try to impress some ideological harpies. Try to impress your future partner (whether you already know him or not).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/15 08:08 PM
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And why are you trying to impress those groups of individuals?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/15 07:00 PM
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With the vast majority of psychopaths, criminals, drug addicts, and bums being male, how could we? Men are more commonly found at the top of any social hierarchy - and at the bottom. It balances out. Women are more emotional - that's just a difference, but not one that has anything to do with value. Men are stronger, yeah - that's something we have going for us. The lesson here: it's stupid for a woman to try and compete with men at being male.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/15 06:07 PM
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If dread game doesn't work She shouldn't use dread game in the first place. Men are not attracted to that. It's a very common mistake: women believe that men find the same qualities attractive in them that they find attractive in men. A woman who feels her man might start something with another woman wants to mark her territory. A man who feels his woman might start something with another man must fear that he'll end up raising another man's children if he stays with that woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/15 05:58 PM
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For the record I have no friends, gf dumped me and my grades are shit so I live in scarcity. Sounds like you should go full monk mode for a few months. Forget about other people, just focus on self-improvement for a while. After that, I think the easiest way to deal with banter usually is to agree and amplify. Whenever somebody says something negative about you, just agree with him and exaggerate the accusation until it's ridiculous. - It's not the best way in every situation, but it's relativel…
/r/TheRedPill21/05/15 03:32 PM
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I don't think this should be posted here. There's nothing to learn from it, except for hate and disgust at these wannabe-victims.
/r/TheRedPill17/05/15 08:41 AM
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/r/TheRedPill[1] and /r/DarkEnlightenment[2] have a love affair with Putin. The teenagers on TRP and /DE do. Most of the values the West is trying to export everywhere are far superior to anything that Putin's "guided democracy" has to offer. Not modern feminism, no. But the rule of law, separation of powers, independent judges, protection of property, free markets, orderly transition of power - those are severely lacking in today's Russia. It's best to keep TRP apolitical.
/r/TheRedPill16/05/15 07:31 AM
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Yes, this sub, given birth by /u/redpillschool, Not "given birth" - fathered.
/r/TheRedPill08/05/15 10:09 AM
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Before the age of institutionalised music schools, who taught pianists how to play? Other musicians. For most of the famous pianists, their fathers were their first teachers. Mozart " In the fourth year of his age his father, for a game as it were, began to teach him a few minuets and pieces at the clavier." Beethoven Beethoven's first music teacher was his father. [...] Some time after 1779, Beethoven began his studies with his most important teacher in Bonn, Christian Gottlob Neefe, who was ap…
/r/TheRedPill06/05/15 05:46 PM
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"Male ants obey the queen and the queen is superior to them. That's how it should be" The ant analogy is just weird. The males never do any work, they only exist to reproduce. All the work is done by the females, 99%+ of whom are sterile workers. And nobody "obeys" the queen either - the queen has no other job than produce eggs, and she is so specialized in this that she is unable to even leave her small chamber. Does she really want that as a model for human society?
/r/TheRedPill06/05/15 03:00 PM
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It seriously sickens me how many people are celebrating OP while ignoring this excessive, needless violence. Bottling some random guy for no other reason than some jokes is just vile. If your greatest tool is your mind, why not use that when people make fun of you? It sounds like OP actually still thinks that his greatest tool is an empty bottle.
/r/TheRedPill30/04/15 09:10 PM
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Hu, why are you linking to the archive? Force of habit? This is a link to the actual article. We don't link to article in feminist media so as to not give them any ad revenue, but there's no case why you wouldn't want people to see this article at the original location.
/r/TheRedPill28/04/15 12:36 PM
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Sidenote: the author is a lesbian. Skimming the article OP linked, I think she even made sure to write it in a way that allows for that partner who dominates her to be a woman.
/r/TheRedPill23/04/15 12:00 PM
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ver batem You mean verbatim, "word for word".
/r/TheRedPill16/04/15 07:34 AM
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I only bring it up because I went to his wedding this weekend. He got married again. To whom? Not her again, I hope...
/r/TheRedPill15/04/15 02:53 PM
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There is a reason why English is the most dominant, universal language in the world And that reason is the military and industrial strength of England in the 19th&20th and of America in the 20th&21st century. It has nothing to do with properties of the language itself.
/r/TheRedPill09/04/15 08:09 AM
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You're reading that wrong. As studies often do, this one starts by presenting the state of our knowledge before the study. The sentence you quote basically says: "No study of this existed until now. That's why we made this one." The next sentence then starts presenting their results: "[...] a meta-analysis performed for Study 1 found that men tended to be more narcissistic than women (d = .26; k = 355 studies; N = 470,846)" - it's not that I believe that study, but the article isn't misrepresent…
/r/TheRedPill10/03/15 09:56 AM
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When people say awalt afbb here, they are using acronyms for a reason - we discuss things like this very often, it makes sense to have abbreviations. When people somewhere else write stuff that clearly says "awalt" without actually using that expression, I know those are guys who get it. They might be readers or contributors on TRP, or they might not, but they clearly understand something about the world. When people actually write about hamsters and awalt and use all our terminology somewhere e…
/r/TheRedPill23/02/15 01:23 PM
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That's not it at all. If you read a story about a woman who cheats on her loving and solid, but slightly boring husband with some tattooed biker and you feel the need to comment on this story, you can say something like this: "I feel sorry for the guy, but all women are like this. Even if you have been in a relationship for years, you need to keep working on yourself and make sure your woman never treats you like some appliance. Now he should simply cut his losses and forget all about her. Go to…
/r/TheRedPill23/02/15 12:22 PM
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Talking about condoms, what is the best condom you guys would recommend? Order "My Size" condoms in 3 different sizes on amazon. Usually, all condoms you can buy at the grocery are the same size - even the ones called "magnum" or something - while these actually are different. (In girth, not in length.)
/r/TheRedPill05/02/15 10:50 PM
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Oh, come on, people. Lie detectors are bullshit, game shows are bullshit, and a game show built around lie detectors is obviously complete crap. I think the last question was funny enough, but let's not pretend that any of this really happened - it's all fake, scripted, paid for.
/r/TheRedPill05/02/15 06:25 PM
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It's "Columbia" and "exonerate". Other than that: great summary.
/r/TheRedPill04/02/15 10:37 AM
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which means I get student loans So I have more than enough to invest, No, you don't. You don't start investing until you don't need new student loans any more, and preferably have paid back all the old ones. (This is assuming that you pay non-neglible interest on the student loans.) You don't invest borrowed money.
/r/TheRedPill11/01/15 09:40 PM
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I'm not saying he doesn't have a point. I'm saying he talks too much for the point that (I believe) he's trying to make.
/r/TheRedPill05/01/15 05:02 PM
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Like all Marxists, you talk too much.
/r/TheRedPill05/01/15 11:02 AM
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It's in the "Show me you can be a leader in this relationship" thread, still on TRP's front page.
/r/TheRedPill16/12/14 10:07 AM
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Because you don't want to give sites like that one any ad revenue. It's even better not to link to them at all, but using archive today is a start. (Redditlogs because we want to discourage vote-brigading, i.e. mass-downvoting of posts in other subs.)
/r/TheRedPill11/11/14 02:40 PM
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Please use this link instead: https://archive.today/EpgnA
/r/TheRedPill11/11/14 02:28 PM
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We went home, and I fucked her multiple times. You went home with whom? Two-guys-girl, or Borrowed-coat-girl?
/r/TheRedPill06/11/14 11:56 AM
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About those "6 months": I think the better advice is to simply avoid the "signs that you are a plate", for the most part: You know that he is having sex or romantic relations with other women. Don't sleep with a man if you know that he is sleeping with other women, duh. Doesn't matter if you've been datin for 6 months, 6 years, or 6 days - if you sleep with him while he is sleeping with other women, there is no reason why he shouldn't later on sleep with other women while he's sleeping with you.…
/r/RedPillWomen05/11/14 01:13 PM
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Sorry, but I really can't upvote education-related threads that contain "son's" in the title where it should be "sons".
/r/TheRedPill16/10/14 09:09 AM
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Adding cents to big numbers always strikes me as a very cheap attempt to make that number appear even bigger. It's $5,000 or $5k.
/r/TheRedPill09/10/14 10:53 PM
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Just one additional remark that I feel I have to make "as a European": it is so weird how this discussion is about special rules for how colleges and universities should handle rape. Why should they have different rules than the rest of the country? In Europe, colleges teach stuff. In the US, they teach stuff, and they investigate rape, apparently.
/r/TheRedPill29/09/14 02:24 PM
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I stand by my snarky comment, but now that this comment has been heavily downvoted, I feel like you deserve an explanation - because obviously, you thought this really was a good illustration. The quality of the art is somewhat in the eye of the beholder, I guess. (Although really: pointy teeth for the bad guys? Come on...) A minor problem is that the story would most likely continue with the kid getting beaten up worse than ever, because you won't beat three guys who are bigger, stronger, older…
/r/TheRedPill23/09/14 04:50 PM
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This has to be the worst possible way to illustrate this poem.
/r/TheRedPill23/09/14 07:40 AM
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You (and OP) make it sound like the wife leaves because she finds it unacceptable that the husband lets his buddy stay at their place. "I don't want you to invite strangers into our house, I won't tolerate this, I'm leaving you." IVI clarified (correctly, I hope) that she in fact left with the buddy who was staying at their place.
/r/TheRedPill18/09/14 12:30 PM
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Just buy a group of girls free dinner and tell them that something is going to happen during that dinner and that they should just go along with it - without telling them what exactly is going to happen. You get "real" reactions, only they are better than real reactions would usually be. There's rarely anything on TV that isn't staged at least to this level. That being said, it doesn't matter much: that clip was genuinely funny, and "close enough" to reality.
/r/TheRedPill11/09/14 07:18 AM
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I can't tell if you really mean "incredibly", or rather "incrediuslously". The former would be rather high self-praise, but not inappropriate in this case.
/r/TheRedPill04/09/14 08:44 PM
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Best answer in that thread: Single. I'd feel single.
/r/TheRedPill18/08/14 01:02 PM
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This isn't a field report though, it's Men's Rights.
/r/TheRedPill17/08/14 07:07 AM
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I feel so used now. You should at least have bought me dinner first. Call me? please?
/r/TheRedPill15/08/14 08:13 AM
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Would it have hurt to check? He wrote that piece for Vanity Fair, and you can still find it there. There's also a reply by Alessandra Stanley, Tina Fey and some others, and - by far the best part of the whole story - a video of Hitchens being totally unfazed by their reply.
/r/TheRedPill15/08/14 07:58 AM
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Caffeine. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caffeine Maybe her necklace is supposed to be caffeine as well - at least, I can't make sense of that structure otherwise. Girl really likes her coffee.
/r/TheRedPill09/08/14 09:01 AM
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Three months... imagine where that kid will be in three years!
/r/TheRedPill08/08/14 07:51 AM
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What else is missing from the story: what did TRP even change about the boyfriend? Is he only reading this sub, and then complaining to his girlfriend how he is such a beta and should be much better than he is? I can see how that would be annoying... Or did TRP actually get to him, did he start lifting, eating healthy, reading interesting books, and taking control of his life, and that's what's bothering his girlfriend? In this case, she might be the one with the psychological problems.
/r/TheRedPill24/07/14 09:16 AM
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Agreed. And definitely not meta. Meta means you are discussing this subreddit.
/r/TheRedPill23/07/14 08:07 AM
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Looks at drink... Looks are rape, too. Stop raping your drink!
/r/TheRedPill22/07/14 06:58 AM
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1 - “Rejection is better than Regret, Inaction is more painful than Action." - When the thought of approaching a woman crosses your mind, never hesitate, but always approach! 2- Don't become her friend if you're interested in her romantically. Don't spend your time with her talking. 3 - Judge her based on her actions, not her words. If you get stood up, she doesn't like you (enough), no matter what she says. 4 - Patience. Once you are a great catch, you don't need to worry about other guys "stea…
/r/TheRedPill21/07/14 12:47 PM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_regarding_rape#New_Zealand Person A rapes person B if person A has sexual connection with person B, effected by the penetration of person B's genitalia by person A's penis, [...] The law in NZ already defines that you can't rape unless you have a penis.
/r/TheRedPill09/07/14 01:17 PM
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