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Thanks for input. I think I do need to move up in weight class
/r/seduction20/08/24 10:44 PM
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But how do you enjoy yourself if you prefer to stay at home? What if the places to meet women (bars, clubs, etc.) only appeal to you because you can meet women there?
/r/seduction20/08/24 08:26 PM
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Where do you meet them? I’ve had little success with OLD
/r/seduction20/08/24 08:18 PM
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Men wouldn’t overstep boundaries or misread situations as a result of feeling pressured to “make things happen” with women. Women would be expected to be clear and direct about their interest in men, and men would know that. And because of this, men would engage with women a lot less in general
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 08:39 PM
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So be it then. Men would be single and happy as well, though, because they wouldn’t feel pressured to go out and make things happened. They’d have the same mindset as single women
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 08:37 PM
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Women “expect” men to make the first move all the time! How many times has a woman not approached a guy because he didn’t acknowledge her “signs”? When women make the first move, it is nowhere near as directly as when men do. Most of the time, it just means she’s making it easier for the man to make the first move. It’s not that I give women power, it’s that I feel powerless in the current dynamic. It seems like you can’t approach a woman with any sort of expectations, but if you’re rejected, th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 08:36 PM
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It would set a precedent
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 08:31 PM
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Ok, great. And men would be less interested in casual sex because they wouldn’t be pressured to pursue women as a means of validation. Also, people’s emotions change all the time. Who’s to say a guy she doesn’t like at first wouldn’t seem attractive if she ended up approaching him
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 08:22 PM
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So women currently don’t have “to do any work”? Whatever issues with dating that women have today, men would have these same issues
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 08:16 PM
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To empower women, encourage them to self-reflect and be direct, and prevent situations that arise from men feeling pressured to pursue women
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 08:14 PM
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So wouldn’t flipping the dynamic just require women to have these traits? And isn’t any proposal that would have women develop extroversion, bravery, confidence, charisma, etc. inherently feminist? And approaching women is not just about bravery. It’s easy enough to talk to some random woman and maybe get her number. But it’s the games that I don’t like. Having to keep her engaged, thinking of what to say to prevent her from being turned off, hiding any weakness or vulnerability, feeling pressur…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 08:08 PM
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Sorry. I misread the parent comment
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 07:59 PM
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Sure, women and men can both approach and be approached, but the stakes are different. Men feel pressured to approach, because most women do not approach; most women do not approach, because they’ve learned that men are expected to approach them. It benefits women, currently, but it also leads to so much miscommunication and discomfort in male-female interactions. And I’m saying that the reason men are “better suited” to make the first move is because every single one of us was raised with the s…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 07:54 PM
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Women should be expected to initiate, because that would be fully acceptable the man’s role—yes, the con of dealing with rejection but also the pro of needing to improve themselves and be more confident and direct. It is the woman who withholds consent in situations where physical intimacy could happen. Wouldn’t it be easier for both parties if she were the one who was expected to initiate?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 07:50 PM
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How else do you explain why women are not generally seen as thirsty while men are? Why is it that every woman on a dating app has at least a handful of men in her DMs while most men have fewer or none?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 07:40 PM
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That’s fine. Then you and women who think like you would be alone, waiting for a “top 5%” man while the “losers” are approached by another woman
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 07:38 PM
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It’s only uncomfortable because women have been raised to sit back and be pursued
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 07:35 PM
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Care to explain?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 07:34 PM
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This is all a result of societal programming. If women grew up thinking they needed to be the ones to make things happen, men would not be as thirsty, and women would be forced to undergo self-improvement and be clear about what they want. How is that not empowering?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 07:33 PM
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It won’t happen because society has programmed men to pursue women, which benefits women but puts pressure on men and leads to miscommunication and discomfort in male-female relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 07:30 PM
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These issues are the result of both men and women being raised with our current dating dynamic. Feminism encourages women to make the first move, but there is no expectation that they do so. And even if they do, they are still expecting the man to take the lead from there. Men could have bigger social circles and rely on their friends more, yes, but every single man has been programmed the same way. There’s only so much they could do to help. Women are typically more emotionally vulnerable with …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 07:29 PM
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It’d mean an entire societal revolution. Every woman today would struggle with it, yes, but I think future generations will benefit from this
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 07:23 PM
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Sure, but after all of the “5%” of men who have “what women want” are unavailable, women will have to sit back, reevaluate themselves, and take a chance on someone in their league
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 07:21 PM
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Isn’t that a problem? And women are scared because they’ve been programmed to want to be pursued. This would take generations, but I think it would have good results overall
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 07:16 PM
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This happens anyway! Also, if women were expected to initiate everything, wouldn’t making men wait weed out the ones who are just looking for something quick? And men in general would be less thirsty, as women currently are, because it would be easier for them to be validated by sex
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 07:13 PM
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They want women to have two options while men only have one. I’m saying that women should have one option because it empowers them and reduces the risk of being in uncomfortable situations with men who feel pressured to make a move. So are you saying that women are uplifted by their friends after being rejected have no self-esteem? Your last counterpoint wasn’t even an argument! “Whatever honey”?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 07:08 PM
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Exactly my point
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 07:02 PM
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But women would tell women that men are bad—which they already do. Women would just have to depend on their female friends to help them heal after rejection, which they already do
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 07:02 PM
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So women shouldn’t be expected to develop this confidence in dating? And confidence in dating is not dependent on confidence in other areas of life. Plenty of successful men are not confident with women; plenty of men who are great with women have otherwise shitty lives. How is it empowering for a woman to be attracted to a guy just because he approached her? This “confidence” is subjective and shallow, ultimately. It explains why it’s so easy for “chads” to approach women today and use them for…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 06:48 PM
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Yes, men will need to put in work once the relationship is established, but I am saying the entire dynamic needs to be flipped. Feminists have “pushed” for this, but that really just means they want women to go against societal norms. They are not trying to reverse or do away with this particular societal norm. And bigger social circles means they can be consoled by more people. Women are also more emotionally vulnerable with their friends. And it’s funny that you suggested such a straightforwar…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 06:44 PM
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They wouldn’t need to worry about being in uncomfortable situations with men, because men would have grown up thinking that if a woman wants them, she’ll express it clearly and directly
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 06:35 PM
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It’s only uncomfortable because they’re operating against societal expectations. This would take several generations, but I believe the change would make things smoother in the future
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 06:34 PM
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So why don’t they put in the work to find men who have high value seed? If they are the ones who want it, then why aren’t they more active in getting it?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 06:32 PM
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You are deliberately misinterpreting my argument. Yes, I know that women approach men first, but that just means they are making it easier for the man to make the first move.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 06:24 PM
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Exactly. Women know how hard it is for men, which is why they have championed equality but are reluctant to accept the cons of being a man. I understand why they don’t want to make the first move, but I think it’s holding all of us back.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 06:19 PM
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Yes, it’s working for most people today, but that’s only because we’re all making it work. At the same time, we have done nothing to make men feel less pressured. If you told a man today not to pursue women because women “make the first move” all the time, he would just feel lonely and later be told to man up. If we lived in a world in which women were expected to pursue, then men would not be as affected by toxic masculinity. They would not need to wade through women’s ambiguous choosing signal…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 06:15 PM
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Yes, but I am arguing that it should be more overt. When women “make the first move,” it usually just means she’s making it easier for the man to make the first move.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 05:52 PM
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Yes, but I am arguing that it should be more overt. When women “make the first move,” it usually just means she’s making it easier for the man to make the first move. If a woman “makes the first move” by asking for a guy’s number, “giving him the eyes,” or even inviting him over to her house in the middle of the night, what do you think will happen? She is just putting the ball in his court. If the man is a dry texter or seems nervous when they’re alone at her place, women who “make the first mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 05:51 PM
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Yes, but I am arguing that it should be more overt. When women “make the first move,” it usually just means she’s making it easier for the man to make the first move.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 05:48 PM
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What is your interpretation of making the first move? I do not mean just approaching men or making themselves available to men. I mean doing everything that men are currently expected to do: holding hands first, kissing first, proposing to men, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 05:47 PM
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It failed because women have been programmed to want to be pursued. Feminism should be trying to reverse this programming.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 05:35 PM
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There would be less ambiguity in our interactions. Men wouldn’t be so guarded and posturing when talking to women if women were expected to clearly and openly communicate their interest, as men currently are. Men would also not engage with as many women, since they would not feel pressured to pursue, which would prevent situations in which a man pursues a woman who thinks of him as just a friend. Women would constantly have to reevaluate themselves—as men currently have to—and be clear about wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 05:33 PM
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This is what I don’t understand. If they don’t care about women’s approval, then why are they interacting with them? How can they talk to, go on dates with, and get women comfortable enough with them to have sex if they don’t care? To me, it seems like either they’re hiding the fact that they do care or they don’t have anything else to do. I feel like I’m missing something
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 04:29 PM
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Can you give an example? How soon should I say that I am attracted to her and want to kiss her? How do I find the “right moment” while still getting to know her?
/r/seduction07/04/24 03:32 AM
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I know that much, but how can I recognize when there are the right times and places? Seriously. I can become friends with a woman easily, but if I’m attracted to her, how can I be clear about that from the start?
/r/seduction06/04/24 09:42 PM
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Thank you for sharing your experiences. I only use the terms kino and friendzone because they represent real things I’ve struggled with. I have been out to the movies with girls and sat there silently, afraid to kiss her, the whole time. I have chickened out of so many opportunities with women because I’m not sure if they want me to do X or Y. I don’t know if I can take the humiliation of leaning in for a kiss and being rejected. I wish I could just be calm and present, but women expect men to m…
/r/seduction06/04/24 09:41 PM
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How can I move things forward? If we’ve had a few nice conversations, but I don’t want her to think of me as just a friend, what am I supposed to do? Kiss her? Or ask if I can kiss her? The idea that girls lose attraction after a certain window of time (even though they will not tell you when they were attracted in the first place) stresses me out
/r/seduction06/04/24 09:38 PM
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I am a lot closer to what you’ve written than I was in high school, but I’m still not as successful. If a girl is telling me about her life and some issues she’s been having, how am I supposed to showcase my sexuality? Can you give examples?
/r/seduction06/04/24 09:35 PM
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If I do want to have sex with her, how should I approach her? You can’t just ask if they want to have sex. You have to get to know them first. What you said makes sense, but I don’t know how to show up differently. For example, how do you act when approaching a girl you just want to be friends with vs one who you’re attracted to?
/r/seduction06/04/24 09:33 PM
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I always thought it was just shit testing (when women do it)
/r/seduction01/04/24 05:03 AM
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This sometimes happens at work, but yeah, it’s a recurring problem
/r/seduction01/04/24 05:02 AM
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For example, if I’m in a group of guys/girls and another guy insults me or makes a snide remark/baits me (usually to make me look bad/degrade me), how do I respond? The girls in the group will be looking at how I react
/r/seduction01/04/24 04:46 AM
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Wow, what you said about reversing the roles of the job interview is really eye-opening. I guess I talk a lot because I want to impress her, but yeah, I can definitely work on asking more questions. Maybe I am not a good conversationalist but more like a stand-up comedian. I feel better having an “audience,” but I guess I’m not good at connecting with my dates. Admittedly, a lot of the time I am simply uninterested in what they have to say. It’s bad, but I don’t know how to fake being interested…
/r/seduction23/03/24 03:54 AM
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I think you’re onto something. But how can I make her feel attracted without being calculating? If she isn’t saying how she feels, I can only guess. I tend not to worry, as a man, about making her feel safe and protected, because I know that she is safe with me and that I will protect her. It frustrates me that I now have to work to make her “feel” something that I know is fact. The women I’ve had the best relationships with have all been good conversationalists. Even if they don’t voice their e…
/r/seduction23/03/24 03:45 AM
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She had ghosted me after we went out, but she seemed excited to see me and brought up some of the things we talked about on our “date.” I guess it wasn’t “good,” but it also wasn’t particularly bad. It was like every one of our other interactions, before and after we went out one-on-one.
/r/seduction23/03/24 03:05 AM
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How can I make her comfortable when I don’t know what’s making her uncomfortable? I show different sides of myself when on dates. I might seem full of myself, but I am actually anxious and analyzing every bit of her behavior. Maybe the issue is that I look at dates like job interviews. Yes, I want to relax and have a good experience, but I also want to be successful and move things forward. I struggle with “being myself,” because myself is not someone who goes on dates. I prefer to spend most of…
/r/seduction23/03/24 02:56 AM
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What if she is having a good time but is just anxious? I don’t think it’s very confident to ask her if she’s having a good time. And if she’s not saying much, then I will keep her engaged by talking and making jokes. How can I seduce her without just outright talking about sexual things? How can I know what she wants while still being myself?
/r/seduction23/03/24 02:22 AM
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No, this is a woman who I texted, went out with, was ghosted by, saw again and had a good interaction with, and was again ghosted by.
/r/seduction23/03/24 02:20 AM
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Thank you. I was being honest posting this, but other commenters’ lack of elaboration on their “advice” is making me think you’re right. I struggle with escalation and being “edgy” because I fear rejection. I also feel kinda ashamed about initiating sexual things, because I’ve been rejected so many times as a kid. (I was a very emotional and hopelessly romantic kid.) I also had no strong masculine role models growing up, and my mother and teachers were all domineering women. I feel “dirty” even …
/r/seduction23/03/24 02:14 AM
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I think my most repellent qualities are that I don’t act like I need them. And I think this scares off girls who are particularly insecure. I would rather not contort myself into “what women want”; I just want to know which parts of myself I should lean into
/r/seduction23/03/24 12:42 AM
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This makes sense. Thank you for the advice.
/r/seduction23/03/24 12:40 AM
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Even if she started the conversation? And if she talked about one of our mutual interests? And if she gets jealous if I give attention to other girls in a group setting?
/r/seduction23/03/24 12:38 AM
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Ok, how can I be myself and be confident but also be humble and not cringe? I am being serious. Please explain.
/r/seduction23/03/24 12:37 AM
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Can you explain more, please? How can I “humble myself” without being meek or waiting for her to make all of the first moves?
/r/seduction23/03/24 12:35 AM
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How? That doesn’t make any sense. If I have a good interaction with a girl on Tuesday, and on Thursday I text her and ask if she wants to hang out, and she doesn’t respond, what is it that made her think, “Wow, this guy is a penis?”
/r/seduction23/03/24 12:33 AM
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But can you explain more about knowing what women want? I am not sure how to play to their emotions when they aren’t giving me much to go off of. If a girl is on a date with me but seems nervous and isn’t talking much, what am I supposed to do?
/r/seduction23/03/24 12:31 AM
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I hyper-inflate my ego not by being a dick but by doubling down on my strengths (my words, talking about my hobbies, being funnier). I don’t become arrogant, but it’s like I become disconnected and have my guard up.
/r/seduction23/03/24 12:30 AM
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It sounds ridiculous, but I really think it’s the issue. Why else would a girl be laughing, staring at me, and seemingly invested in-person but not want to meet up when I ask her out over text?
/r/seduction23/03/24 12:29 AM
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I think it’s because I’m good with my words and can usually guess what they’re thinking in conversation. I think it makes them feel too inferior to me, and the discomfort drives them away
/r/seduction23/03/24 12:25 AM
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Thank you for being straightforward. Not sure why people are trying to crucify me for this
/r/seduction20/03/24 05:07 AM
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Wow. I think you’re right that I feel unworthy of sex. I think sex, to me, represents all of the love I was denied in childhood, so I put up barriers around it. I’ve always thought that I viewed sex differently than most guys, but I think you hit the nail on the head.
/r/seduction20/03/24 12:09 AM
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Close to a semi-large city
/r/seduction19/03/24 11:57 PM
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Thanks for the advice. I think my default has always been to hide parts of myself and reflect what others want back to them. Then I sabotage by showing other parts of myself. And if they’re still there afterwards, I cut them off. I was bullied a lot growing up, even by my “best” friends. I’m fucked up, but I’m working on myself, and I view sex as something special. I’ve never been into hookup culture, but I’ve had sex before, and I have always remembered those women and cherished our memories to…
/r/seduction19/03/24 11:56 PM
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I’m not even sure how to put myself in the right frame of mind to go to a bar. To be there, drinking alone, going up to a girl and knowing the only reason I’m talking to her is to see if I can get lucky. It feels wrong to me, and since I’d feel like a creep, they’d definitely get those vibes. I don’t know how it’s so easy for everyone else here. Maybe I am either under- or overvaluing relationships.
/r/seduction19/03/24 11:49 PM
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I’m good at knowing what girls want (once we get to know each other), and I can be the kind of guy they’re looking for. I am just looking for sex as a form of intimacy. Sex is real and tangible, whereas emotional intimacy is something that can be denied, ignored, and misunderstood. I’m not sure how to form relationships. I don’t like being abandoned, so I keep my distance. But I’m not sure how I can be “close friends” with people and still be ok if they decide to cut me off. I’m tired of being f…
/r/seduction19/03/24 11:45 PM
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I’ve isolated so long that I’m not sure if I can forge and maintain true, platonic connections with others. Truthfully, I do not trust other guys, and I have been able to sustain most of my social needs by myself and with the internet. I’ve been bullied/manipulated/abused a lot, and it’s resulted in me becoming more narcissistic. I am not an asshole, though, just more self-absorbed than most. I have still had relationships in the past and connected with people. I just get bored sometimes, and I …
/r/seduction19/03/24 11:36 PM
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I am sociable (i.e., good at talking to people at work, cashiers, etc.) but have been isolating myself for a while. I had a lot of friends in high school, but I don’t know how to start over. I am nice, funny, smart, and charismatic (most of the time) and can talk to people, but I just don’t hang with others (men or women) very much
/r/seduction19/03/24 11:31 PM
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