Sure but it shows that she isn't truly attracted to you. She should want to do those things. If she doesn't then you should move on to someone that does want to.
You can't forgive a cheating woman because she only comes back if the other guy wouldn't commit. The monkey branch failed. Plus she won't respect you as she learned she can cheat on you with no consequences. She'll end up doing it again.
Men focus on looks but the bar is a lot lower. They're more open minded about what they're willing to accept, looks wise. Women have a lot higher bar for looks.
I don't think being hot is really important. There's plenty of ugly women that have no issue attracting men. The biggest thing is being pleasant and peaceful. Most men have a scarcity of options so they can't afford to be too picky.
I think it's more that the woman is a loser that she has to go for an older man. Every relationship I've seen of younger woman/older man, there's been something major wrong with the woman.
Confidence is only good if you're conventionally attractive. If you're not, you will be seen as creepy and women will be giving you the tests to put you in your place.
Only a small number of men are looking for short term. Most men want something long term because it allows them to get action regularly. (theoretically)
The attractive man gets positive response from women which causes him to become confident. The unattractive man gets negative response from women which causes him to not be confident.
This is true. Women are not heterosexual, they are chadsexual. The average man has no power to have boundaries or be relaxed as he can be easily replaced at any time. He ends up being overly nice and accommodating to try to get her.
Women are not heterosexual, women are chadsexual. They will never recognize how difficult it is for the average man. They consider being attracted to the average man as no different from being gay.
The issue is that women tell you what they want, from someone they're already attracted to. They're giving you the icing on the cake. Men want to know how to attract women in the first place.
Dating is easier than it's ever been for men. The bar is on the floor. Literally if you just take a shower and comb your hair, you'll be swimming in women.
Men don't do the picking, women do. There are a lot of men that want a long term relationship. The problem is women generally aren't attracted to those men. And the ones they are attracted to typically have a lot of options and no reason to commit.
I'm confused. Jordan Peterson has a wife. Andrew Tate, to my knowledge has had partners. They wouldn't fall under that label. But someone being unsuccessful with women doesn't mean that they are a bad person. Attraction is amoral, you being a good or bad person doesn't factor in to your level of success.
Women that want a relationship end up realizing that the top men won't commit and settle for what they can get. But they will always be looking to upgrade if the opportunity arises.
I'm guessing men are more focused on con sent because they have a difficult time getting it. It would likely be the Chad's being into what you mentioned.
af;bb - Women have a small group of men they value exclusively for sex and the rest of the men that they value exclusively for relationship/provision. It's very rare to be valued for both. women aren't loyal - You could treat her well and do everything right. She could be happy. She will still have no problem monkey branching to someone she perceives as being higher value. Somehow she'll blame you. never chase a woman - If she was attracted to you she would make it easy for you. If she flakes on…
A higher count means a higher divorce and paternity risk. Women would care too if they had risk of financially supporting someone else's child unknowingly.
Red pill is about understanding the truth of what women are attracted to. People take that information and come up with their own strategy to accomplish whatever is their goal. It's not about male nature or strategy. If anything, women are more likely to want variety than men. Most men would be happy to be in monogamous relationship with one woman.
What about the woman that leave because they're bored or want to monkey branch? That's more likely the reason than something he did. Men will want to do whatever they can to keep a relationship because of how hard it is to get one.
You're right. RP should be educational where people learn what women are attracted to so they can improve their chances of success. Unfortunately, the grifters have taken over and will say the most outrageous things to keep people watching and that money coming in.
It's important to remember that most of these influencers are grifters. They're more interested in saying outrageous things to keep people watching than they are in actually helping people.
Isn't the dead bedroom situation pretty common? Women have been pretty open about not being attracted to the relationship guy. I don't think they want to mistreat anyone, they just want a quality relationship. They want her to choose someone of high character.
Women these days aren't interested in monogamy for life. If anything they're more into serial monogamy. It's not worth it when she can decide she's bored and divorce take half of my stuff.
Men generally don't benefit from abortion. Abortion enables hook up culture. Very few men are capable of getting hook ups. For most men, they can only get action inside of a monogamous relationship. The top 10% of men get all the hook ups and the rest of the men get left on the sidelines. Ending roe is a good thing for most men.
The issue is starting a relationship with an older woman. Nothing wrong with growing old with a woman. You just don't want to miss out on her best years.
I'm surprised that they aren't. The only red pill personality I've seen taking about it is caitlin v. I don't know if caitlin v is good or not because the price too high. Could it be they don't have the knowledge and don't want to put out bad information?
I don't hate prost!tutes. I think it should be legalized. I dislike lonelyfans because there's too many dishonest people on there. They have paid chatters replying to the dms but they never tell you that.
"Only as faithful as his options" This is not accurate. Men generally don't have options just for existing. For a man to cheat, he needs to be actively seeking it out and creating options for himself. A loyal man won't have options because he doesn't want options.
Everybody loses value over time, not just women. It's about growing old together. Wife goggles and all that. And what's this obsession with "bangmaid"? It sounds like a way to keep the betabucks in his place.
True, there is no plotting but they have no problem breaking up the relationship if they get bored or think they can monkey branch to someone with higher value.
Studies are based on self reporting. Women are unlikely to admit to cheating. Not my argument. All women have opportunities. A 70 year old woman likely has more opportunities than the average man.
Yes. Women see s*x as exclusively for the casual guy. The relationship guy gets duty s*x twice a year. What's wrong with the relationship guy wanting both love and lust?
The issue is that women see their relationship partner as a reflection of their own value. They want the 666/high value guy because it would make her high value and she can show him off to other women/make them jealous. The solution would be to convince women to pick men of high character who would be a good relationship partner instead of a status symbol to impress other women. Lower standards for superficial things like height/status/looks and higher standards for character/kindness.
If women were concerned about safety and men being physically larger, why not go for smaller men? Men would end up being 5-5 and 150 or so and wouldn't be a threat to women.
The men that they're attracted to often lack those qualities. They're telling you the icing they want on the cake and not how to actually make the cake.
Only a small percentage of the men are dating around and unwilling to commit. The other 80 percent of men have a hard time getting a date with even one woman.
Difference is men are equally attracted to the relationship as they are the fwb. They treat the relationship better. Women are more attracted to the fwb.
It's understanding what women are truly attracted to. Unfortunately the fresh and fit style grifters have taken over and turned it into something else.
I think it wouldn't have been as bad if she said "just a hookup". Leaving out the "just" implies that she doesn't desire him and sees him as strictly a provider type.
It doesn't exist anymore because women can get approval with no effort. Women have redefined it to any woman that doesn't hate men or see men as the enemy.
The issue is that women are only attracted to ~10% of the men. They do make the first move with those men but since most men will never receive that interest, they think it doesn't happen.
First date she's still a stranger and you have no guarantee there will be a second date. Considering how so many women now date around, I'm not looking to pay for any dates outside of a relationship.
The hot guys have a lot of options and thus no need to be a decent human being. Women would rather accept that than pick a less attractive guy that would treat her well.
Redpill doesn't encourage that. It seems you're putting too much weight into what the grifters are saying. Redpill is just the bottom 80% of men trying to educate themselves on how to make themselves attractive to women.
It's not that they're ok with it, they just don't have options. I disagree about the "pump and dump" part. They would be happy to commit to any woman that will have them.
Red pill is about facts of what women are attracted to so they can get a quality relationship. No reason for them to get mad if someone gets a happy relationship.
Red pill promotes men understanding what women are attracted to. Some people might promote cheating but they don't speak for the whole red pill community.
They don't exist as far as the original meaning of that word. Women get so much male attention these days that they don't have to be like that. Some women have turned it into a way to insult women that don't hate men. Essentially the women's version of "uncle tom".
The biggest problem with dating is that women are only attracted to the same 10% of the men. If you are not in that group, you need to do everything right to have a chance. You never know when something you say or do is considered ick and a reason to reject you.
Sure I just think we shouldn't throw out the whole concept because there are some bad elements to it. On the whole it's about self improvement and understanding what works.
Its important to not throw out the entire concept because there are some bad elements to it. On the whole it's about self improvement and understanding what works.
It's important to remember that these people are grifters and don't represent red pill. Ultimately red pill is men trying to educate themselves on women's dating strategies.
The main issue is financial. I'd have no problem dating a high n count woman if I didn't have to worry about alimony, child support, paternity risk. If a divorce happened, each party would walk away with what they came in with. Women are welcome to reject high n count men. I don't date men so I don't put much focus on them.
They would have an easier time getting a relationship. If you only want 5% of the options, that all of your competition also wants, the odds of you getting it are low. By opening it up to more options there would be less competition and better odds of success. Picking an option you would be happy with instead of holding out for the very best.
It's difficult for women to get commitment from the top tier men. Those are the only men women care about. As you mentioned, women can easily get commitment from the bottom 80% of men. They just don't want those men.
Being agreeable and cooperative is definitely a good thing. More important than looks. Looks aren't important as long as she's not ugly. The bar is pretty much on the floor there. I think pearl is a grifter more than anything. She says what she says because it gets her payed.
I have no interest in it and I think most would agree with me. Selfish people like using " all men want to spread their seed and have sex with as many women as possible" to justify their selfishness.
It's because women see the guy they're with as a reflection of their value. They want the general public, especially other women, to be impressed that she was able to get a 666 guy.
Men generally don't get opportunities to cheat just by existing like women do. They need to seek it out and create opportunity. So if a man isn't interested in cheating, he won't seek it out and thus he won't have opportunity.
I think it's more that men don't have options. They have to accept that behavior. Even if one tries to demand better, she can just pick one of the many men that won't care.
There are a lot of male celebrities and not all women will be into a particular celebrity. The average women could get the attention of pretty much any male.
It's easier to turn it on then turn it off. How can someone be promiscuous when single and then suddenly turn it off and be monogamous in a relationship?
Women make rules for the unattractive men and break rules for the attractive men. If you don't give her the tingles, you gotta deal with the checklists tests icks etc.
Difference is men treat the relationship partner better than the casual partner while women treat the casual partner better than the relationship partner.
The ones that say that are selfish and will look at anything to justify it. It's not beneficial for man to have 100 kids with however many women because he won't be able to support them and they will fail. He's better off putting all his resources to kids with one woman, quality over quantity.
So the laws around women’s bodies and autonomy should be based on how much sex you could possibly get out of it? I'm not advocating for any laws. I'm just saying it would be more beneficial for most men then removing all barriers.
This is just wrong. Any time you make it easier for women to have secks, they will flock to the chads. The biggest losers in the seckual revolution have been the bottom 80% of men. Banning aborsion, bc, etc would push women to pick loyal men because Chad won't Help take care of a baby. It opens the door for the bottom 80% to get in the game.
Why would nice guys be pretending? It's pretty much common knowledge these days that women aren't attracted to nice guys. They'd be better off pretending to be a jerk.
That's not a fair comparison. Men need to create/seek out opportunity. They generally don't get offers just for existing the way women do. So a man not looking to hook up is unlikely to have opportunity.
Apologies, English is my third language. I mean women are more bothered by the man making less but don't want to say that. They would rather make it seem the man is bothered. 🙂
Women are never single the way men are. They have orbiters and fwb at all times. Take that away and they would be just as desirous of having a relationship as men are.
Never. Why would I be bothered by a woman being into me? The question shows the kind of privilege women have. Most men will never know what it feels like to have a woman truly desire him.
It's easier but not easy. The issue is that women have no game. I've seen women try to get another woman for a 3 some with her partner and bomb spectacularly.
This is true, it's the just world fallacy. Women aren't attracted to nice. Nothing wrong with that. I just wish they would own it instead of gas lighting.
Apologies English is my third language. 🙂 I mean he should not be with her if she doesn't desire him. Neither are at fault they just aren't a good fit. ❤
I think you mean the Chad's say that. The Chad's don't speak for all men. But from what I've seen from women on here it's women pushing that viewpoint.
The issue is women tend to be more attracted to the men that get a lot of women. Plus the more women you attract the higher odds of getting a good relationship. Other than that I agree
This is true. You can be a truly good person and also unsuccessful with women. You can be a flaming misogynist and be very successful with women. I wish women would stop portraying nice guys as the worst people on the planet.
Strawman. It's not about her wanting to cheat. It's her putting herself in an environment where there's a high likelihood of her getting an offer she can't turn down.
It's a just world fallacy. If you're unsuccessful it's assumed that something is wrong with you. Reality is attraction is not based on whether you are a good person or not.
It's because they're trying to fix the attractive men. They tell you what they want from Brad pitt for example. But they won't tell you how to attract a woman in the first place, which is the advice men generally are looking for.
Its been turned into a way for women to keep other women in line. If you don't hate men and see them as the enemy, they call you pick me. Women don't have to do anything to get Male attention so the original definition has become obsolete.
Most men never get that attention from women so they desire to have it. Women get that attention from men all the time so it's become an annoyance to them.
Even if they give unattractive men a chance, ultimately they don't really want them. They will be looking for reasons to disqualify those men. They'll keep testing them until they can find an ick to justify rejecting them.
Cheating happens. Usually they are quite good at hiding it. If it never happened or people were honest then sure, the test wouldn't be necessary. Until then...
Most men have become superfluous. Whatever they can offer, women can get elsewhere. She can get companionship from her female friends. She can get the occasional hook up from chad. She can get protection and financial support from the state.
Women have the ability to pick whatever they want. They don't have to settle for whatever they can get like men do. Ultimately it's her responsibility for picking these guys.
A woman looking for marriage has a more narrow pool to choose from. I disagree with this. Women will have plenty of marriage options as long as they are realistic about who they're looking at.
Is it even possible to be sleep around when single and then turn it off and be monogamous in a relationship? I'm skeptical. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior after all.
I'm skeptical about that. Women tend to look at relationships like a job. Even if they're happy they'll have no problem jumping if a better offer comes along.
It’s often rebuked because this 80/20 rule doesn’t match up with reality. If this statistic were factual, then you wouldn’t see the majority of men in relationships. The 80/20 rule is about attraction. Women will often get into a relationship with someone to which they aren't attracted.
And my wife is totally faithful to me, despite the fact that she sometimes fucks another guy. I think you have a different definition of "totally faithful" than I do.
I'm thinking that they can't. They're competing with all the other BB's out there so they don't have much of an advantage. Women still can pick what they want.
