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Theres a difference between arbitrary social norms/fluff, like the articles of clothing men and women are expected to wear on one hand, and men and women (albeit subject to some variation) tending to act in certain ways with certain different tendencies, including different natural propensities at for different kinds of skills, and choosing different career paths etc. The latter constitutes real natural neurological gender differences that are not learned in any way learnt but rather are pretty …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/16 09:59 PM
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Don't let them fuck with your head while you are vulnerable.
/r/ExRedPill29/03/16 02:50 PM
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guys who bully and belittle women until they feel so horrible about themselves that the guy thinks he might have a chance with her now Who do you think actually do this? There are some men out there who are horrible to women, just like there are some women out there horrible to men. Thats to be expected, but most people are not like that. But it has absolutely nothing to do with the decribtive term that has ended up being used to describe post-modern identity politics zealots who go around spout…
/r/ExRedPill24/03/16 12:16 PM
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Its a perfectly good descriptive term to describe a radical new left post-modernist or a radfem who is obnoxiously demonizing people as bigots based on an uncharitable interpretation of what they say. Sure the term is a bit crude, but its the one that's stuck.
/r/ExRedPill24/03/16 11:28 AM
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I've been on there, there are strong sjw flavours to it.
/r/ExRedPill24/03/16 11:08 AM
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There is nothing wrong with conversing with blues Except that they tend to be SJWs - who are just as bad as the red pill. The subreddit should be about exredpill without being SJW or radfem.
/r/ExRedPill24/03/16 12:29 AM
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You represent part of whats wrong with this subreddit. Safespaces? Seriously? Banning dissenters?
/r/ExRedPill24/03/16 12:19 AM
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Don't bother with seeingredagain. They are one of those people.
/r/ExRedPill24/03/16 12:17 AM
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The MRA movement is synonymous with misogyny and racism. What the hell!? You must be lying, theres no way you'd rationally believe that. I don't even like MRAs but I realize that most of the shit said about them is misrepresentation.
/r/ExRedPill24/03/16 12:15 AM
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Are all women really like that? of course not. Just to clarify, I agree with you. Some women aren't Gold-digging sluts and some are Yes exactly! People are nuanced and there can be nuanced social dynamics between men and women. nd now, she's got one of those guys and she can't keep her hands off of me. Now, she encourages my gym time. Now, A year and a half ago, touching me in any sexual manner was a chore for her. A year and a half ago I was 10 lbs lighter with no definition. A year and a half …
/r/ExRedPill23/03/16 10:05 PM
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Anger isn't really part of TRP as a standard, it's just a side effect of finding out I was told my whole life not to do this kind of stuff... I never got laid... and now I do this stuff and I'm getting laid. Anger is mostly at themselves, but human rationalization gets the better of a man not in full control of his own emotional palette. I forgot to mention bitterness, and the us and them mentality the 'red pill' fosters. It seems to rarely occur to people that women/girls in the FRs in TRP have…
/r/ExRedPill23/03/16 06:57 PM
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Well, to be honest 'toxicity' is subjective. I suppose its hateful, and/or dehumanizing, and/or prejudicial.
/r/ExRedPill23/03/16 05:15 PM
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I think what it is, is that the male feminist orbiter blue pill mindset is actually complete bullshit...its just that the red pill mindset is also bullshit. But unfortunately it seems we are getting too many people one or the other pill without taking a sensible and non-toxic anti-feminist and anti-post-modernism position. The whole taking a pill thing is adopting an ideological lens, an ideological commitment that distorts how you see reality, and prevents you from thinking for yourself. Also p…
/r/ExRedPill23/03/16 04:53 PM
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Ah. Could you briefly sum up what they are about?
/r/ExRedPill18/03/16 03:25 AM
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Can you please explain your comment, I honestly don't understand it.
/r/ExRedPill18/03/16 03:19 AM
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And I'm getting sick of this sub, for its blue pill bias. It shouldn't have an ideological bias at all except for being a place for exredpill discussion. But the founder's ideas on it are totally skewed, and the sub as a whole follows that direction. Thats why this has been downvoted simply for not toeing the blue pill line. If theres enough dissent in the comments, like this one, the founder moderate may well delete it. This is ridiculous.
/r/ExRedPill18/03/16 02:25 AM
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Also, I still don't get the whole "objectification" ordeal. Its radfem bullshit. There's nothing about checking out women that dehumanizes them. Don't let them shame you for your sexuality. And I already missed the deadline for a perfect, young love because I'm not in high school anymore. Now I have all of this pressure to succeed, or women might laugh at me. I can't make women afraid of what I think of them. I just don't know anymore. Get rid of that insecurity. Women aren't thinking about you …
/r/ExRedPill16/03/16 05:21 PM
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No I'm not. I'm just worried about radical/modern feminism and radical identity politics ruining and co-opting everything. I don't want my games and films and tv series and to all be sanitized of anything feminists find offensive, and I don't want subcultures and groups I like to associate with having people throw bullshit accusations of sexism and racism around everywhere. I don't want to be shamed and vilified for saying politically incorrect jokes or things, or for admiring the physical appea…
/r/ExRedPill09/03/16 01:44 PM
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This is like male feminists, but the diametric opposite. Someone who ends up hating their own gender. The important thing is not to view men or women as victims, either on an individual basis or systemically. Don't get drawn into radical/modern feminism, or the red pill, or MGTOW or MRA ideology. Don't take a red pill or a blue pill. Don't take a pill at all. Think yfor yourself and don't get drawn into the false comfort of pointing the blame outwards rather than taking individual responsibility…
/r/ExRedPill09/03/16 03:24 AM
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Good.
/r/ExRedPill07/03/16 12:51 AM
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Just focus on improving yourself, and by that i don't mean obsessing over game, going to clubs all the time, lifting loads of weights etc. Try male grooming stuff, its accessible online, on reddit even, etc. Dress better maybe, etc. Focus on being successful, socialize with like minded people. Then it will just naturally happen. When you find the right person you probably won't even have to chat them up at all, it will all just happen naturally.
/r/ExRedPill06/03/16 07:59 PM
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She's just one woman, you can't project tendencies of a whole gender from that. maybe she just liked 'bad guys', who knows.
/r/ExRedPill06/03/16 06:42 PM
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It seems you are misrepresenting this MRA. Its more that they are saying that men and women just tend to be naturally psychological different. And also, this is in the context of men and women naturally being different in such a way that women really are usually more predisposed to be better at and more drawn to nurturing roles or even mothering without a full time career, while men tend to be more career focused. Sure the point about feminism originally being based on lesbianism is flawed, buts…
/r/ExRedPill06/03/16 05:32 PM
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I would add that its comparable to only hanging around women in mental institutions and then saying 'all women are mentally ill'.
/r/ExRedPill05/03/16 11:27 PM
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Well, its bullshit, but not 100% bullshit. Women in general highly selective when it comes to who they mate with, especially in the context of casual sex. Highly attractive women are especially very slective when it comes to who they sleep with and how many sexual partners they have, in part because while on one hand they are highly desired by men due to being very attractive, they are also selective, in part because if you think of supply and demand as a metaphor, there is a lot more demand for…
/r/ExRedPill05/03/16 10:45 PM
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I completely disagree with your premise that mainstream, influential feminism=radfeminism. The radfems have "won" some of their crazy complaints by making a change or getting people riled up. But, these people are rare and barely relevant/influential over society. You speak about radfems as if you aren't one. yes they have riled people up, and demonized men, and gamers for example, and no thats not 'feminazis', but mainstream feminists like Anita Sarkeezian. Belief in patriarchy does not make so…
/r/ExRedPill04/03/16 02:22 AM
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Deleting posts people made in a trigger happy way for bullshit reasons like 'derailing the conversations', just because they weren't going the way he wanted and not fitting into the range of views he find acceptable. Keep in mind he even admitted that the purpose of subreddit is as a feminist crusade to purge ex-redpillers of bigotry in a zealous SJWey way. Also, the fucking sidebar. Read it. Its ridiculous. I mean I get that the red pill version of the concept of hypergamy is fucked up, but fro…
/r/ExRedPill04/03/16 02:08 AM
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You need to meet real women more and not just women in clubs. And you need to get red pill ideology out of your head.
/r/ExRedPill04/03/16 01:41 AM
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No, just a notable minority, like say, 15%.
/r/ExRedPill04/03/16 01:40 AM
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Read my other post. I explained. How it (and SJWs) try to co-opt everything and sanitize everything, while shaming those who don't toe the line.
/r/ExRedPill03/03/16 12:35 PM
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More women than not deal with aggressive men in my experience. Your claims of experience are not exactly a reliable source for me. You sure you're ex red pill? Its a word with a specific meaning. I don't mean it the way they do, I mean it in the sense of the definition. By the way, I think their belief that 'all women are golddigging sluts incapable of love because hypergamy' is a fucking despicable idea, among other fucked up ideas they believe in. They take small nuggets of truth from science,…
/r/ExRedPill03/03/16 03:32 AM
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Because de jure "equality before the law" is not de facto equality because of human nature and bias. We don't need defacto equality. I don't know why so many people assume we need it. As long as we have equality before the law, which is more a matter of liberty, its ok. As long as the rising tide brings up all boats, its ok, even if some boats rise faster than others. Reality is chaotic, and inevitably some people will succeed more than others. Theres nothing wrong with that. Freedom is what mat…
/r/ExRedPill03/03/16 03:23 AM
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You said: women should be kind and understanding when letting guys down. Yeah you do, because you're saying that it constitutes me saying women are obliged to do it, and men thinking women are inferior to me, which it does not. What I'm trying to explain to you is that you can't expect a woman who's been frightened by someone's behavior to give a shit about their mental state. But what if she's irrationally and unreasonably afraid in that instance. 90% of creepyness is surely in their minds. Sur…
/r/ExRedPill03/03/16 12:16 AM
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This sub is on an ideological mission to expunge RP and misogyny from those who have been brainwashed. Yes, I am a feminist and the subreddit assumes feminism is a positive force for women and for society at large. Oh god. You're a puritan. I was opposed to modern feminism (which has been co-opted by radical feminism) before I dipped one foot into the 'red pill' and backed the fuck out when I realized its true nature, but now, I'm still opposed to radical/modern feminism. I agree with equality b…
/r/ExRedPill03/03/16 12:10 AM
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Not mine, cause I'm not one of those guys anymore, I know how to talk to women. And you expect men to act in a certain way to protect women's feelings, but apparently the other way round is unacceptable. The idea that its fine for women to treat men however they like but men need to be on their toes so to avoid a woman subjectively perceiving it as 'creepy', thats a double standard.
/r/ExRedPill02/03/16 11:16 PM
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But its ridiculous, and now I look at it has a slight social justicey bias. It should be neutral, but it not with all that about being a 'safe space' 'realizing you thought processes were problematic' I mean really? And why be so trigger happy with deleting posts? It should be about free discussion shouldn't it, and fairly loose parameters as long as its about exredpill topics. I like to make helpful suggestions here for red pillers considering abandoning the red pill, but I'm not fond of the ki…
/r/ExRedPill02/03/16 11:13 PM
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You are massively misrepresenting what I'm saying and you know it. Stop lying.
/r/ExRedPill02/03/16 08:38 PM
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As a moderator, can you do something about absolute beginners abusing his power as a moderator please.
/r/ExRedPill02/03/16 07:53 PM
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You expect women to bend to your will, to do something for you that they don't owe you. No, I've told you several times, but you seem insistent on straw manning me and putting words in my mouth. Never have I said that.
/r/ExRedPill02/03/16 07:49 PM
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You are a fool if you do not think literature effects behaviour and culture. Sure it does, although its more a reflection of the societies and cultures they were written in, than a determining factor of them. And generally, when taught they are taught not prescriptively or normatively how things are or should be, but as the author saw it, or the characters see it. You can;t just do feminist analysis of texts, reading sexism into things where there is none, from inferring sexist motivations and m…
/r/ExRedPill02/03/16 06:52 PM
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jsut check out the statistics regarding crime committed by men against women There are many crimes against men too. This whole narrative that women are victims in our society, or that men are all dangerous potential criminals, is ridiculous. Given that we're talking about women Were talking about men and women, not exclusively women. This is a matter of male-female interaction. You think women are obligated to keep a mans ego intact I have explicitly said several times that I do not think women …
/r/ExRedPill02/03/16 06:43 PM
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nope u lost credibility Oh come on thats an overreaction! People like that do exist, and may have such a problem, theres nothing wrong with alluding to this and its not reasonable it dismiss an argument for alluding to it. like i said, it is not women's responsibility to prevent men and teach them to not act like this. And like I've said, it never claimed that it was. Like how dumb do u think men are??? that they are just gonna go MGTOW after one bad encounter? No obviously not. I also think thi…
/r/ExRedPill02/03/16 05:32 PM
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Spoken like a true fucking creep. You have no empathy for such men. You are exactly the one of the vicious women I was talking about, who demonize men who make them subjectively feel uncomfortable, instead of trying to understand them. You don't know anything about me. Men will often react angry when rejected and when they feel their delicate ego has been bruised. Its pretty clear you are just spouting modern/radical feminist ideology. Thats why you have such contempt for men, and such an us and…
/r/ExRedPill02/03/16 05:04 PM
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I'm not over reacting. If it seems to you like I'm venting emotionally, you are getting the wrong impression. I'm saying this calmly. You dont understand how women are afraid of telling men to back off because of the potential back lash. Don't conflate all women with your personal paranoia. Also women are taught to be polite and quiet Oh really?! Tell me about those classes at school where women were brainwashed to be quiet and polite and men were brainwashed to be brash and aggressive. This was…
/r/ExRedPill02/03/16 04:19 PM
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Hyergamy isn't what you think it is. Its just that women often are more attracted to potential mates with more social status, money, or social dominance than them. It does not mean that women are inherently gold-digging sluts who will always cheat if they find someone more 'alpha'. The red pill appropriates and shoehorns real scientific ideas, distorting them and misconstruing them for their ideology, while giving their ideology the pretense of actually being scientific. Its like creationist 'sc…
/r/ExRedPill02/03/16 01:42 PM
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Wait, what does SMV mean?
/r/ExRedPill02/03/16 01:36 PM
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Women often let down men with subtle hints, because there are many men who will react to rejection with anger and sometimes violence. Only a minority. If theres anything that would make a man such inclined to react violently and angrily though, its demonizing him as a creep. This seems like a rationalization to avoid empathizing with men with poor social skills. Sure there are real and dangerous creeps, but they actually aren't that common. Your perspective is just so woman-centric that it total…
/r/ExRedPill02/03/16 01:35 PM
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Waah waaah waaah, women are such victims! What about empathizing with men with poor social skills instead of demonizing them?
/r/ExRedPill02/03/16 01:29 PM
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A common complaint from women experiencing a man pursuing her too aggressively is that he didn't notice the signals she was sending. Yeah. People need to be more frank and clear about things. Newsflash, some people have poor social skills and are bad at reading body language. Tell them outright you are not interested, don't try to lay subtle hints.
/r/ExRedPill02/03/16 01:28 PM
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I cannot seem to shake off the feeling that feminism is full of delusions. It is. Both feminism and the 'Red Pill' are invalid. The trick is to be an anti-feminist but not to be Red Pill, MGTOW or an MRA. Be a classical liberal. A point I would like to make about that other post, is that one one hand it reveals some small elements of truth in the red pill, and also thing its clearly wrong on. Firstly, its correct in its anti-feminism. Secondly, its correct that men desire young, fertile, physica…
/r/ExRedPill02/03/16 01:49 AM
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Common sense is to be Mr Nice Guy. Media perpetuates this too. Ok fine, I don't mean that common sense. What I mean is, what used to be common sense - individual responsibility. Equality in what way? I don't understand how you can have equality when nothing is equal. Its not about equality its about liberty, but individual liberty requires that the state is impartial when it deals with citizens rather than being discriminatory towards any group. Thats what equality under the law means. Its about…
/r/ExRedPill01/03/16 12:54 AM
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Common sense, aka feminist advice, is to put her on a pedestal, be kind, be sensitive, be gentle, be nice, always. No its not, feminist advice is directly opposed to common sense. Common sense is for people, in relationships, whether male or female,not to put themselves in an inferior positon in a relationship, and not to be pussywhipped or cockwhipped. Yes, patriarchy exists for a reason. So you agree with the feminists that we live in a patriarchy? Keep in mind that a patriarchal society is no…
/r/ExRedPill29/02/16 11:07 PM
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So... Follow red pill advice? Lol Its more common sense advice, or 'don't be a pussy' advice, its not unique to the 'red pill'. The red pill just takes ideas for itself that sound like they make sense, to draw people in, and then once baited, switches in the 'women are all golddigging sluts incapable of love' bullshit. We are all indoctrinated into some system. Ahhh I see, like the patriarchy but the other way round... If you realize that feminist theories are bullshit why believe in male equiva…
/r/ExRedPill29/02/16 11:20 AM
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Seemed like you were implying he should have been able to tell. No, just that he should have taken individual responsibility, and maybe not gone for someone whos a shallow girl next door type whos pretty, without thinking enough about personality, and not put her on a pedestal, etc. Most women don't ever love a man What?! Have you ever considered that you might be indoctrinated?
/r/ExRedPill27/02/16 11:47 PM
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Nowadays when most people hear the word "feminist" they think of some tumblr user with a weird hair color. I know its not just that. Those are the worse examples. They don't have to be saying 'kill all men' and be as obnoxious as Big Red, to be a radical feminist, they just need to believe in certain radical feminist ideas, like objectification, rape culture and the patriarchy - and they don't have to believe in all of them, it could only be only one. And that's what the TRP dystopia would be li…
/r/ExRedPill27/02/16 07:59 PM
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Based on how she acted and threw him away so quickly.
/r/ExRedPill27/02/16 06:12 PM
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Certainly shitty, but still better than TRP's dystopia. But the red pill are a tiny minority despised by nearly everyone with no power, whereas feminism is highly popular, with a lot of influence and power, filtering through into mainstream society. See the difference? If the worst thing you can say about a dystopia is that it's sanitized and inoffensive, it's not that much of a dystopia. It is if people don't have the freedom to say what they want without being demonized and criminalized, and m…
/r/ExRedPill25/02/16 01:39 PM
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Perhaps, not Pheraps. P's in english don't always have 'h' after them, it depends on the word. I know it might be confusing.
/r/ExRedPill25/02/16 01:55 AM
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So how many people has Anita beheaded or stoned to death? Irrelevant. If they got their way completely we would live in a kind of puritan sanitized 'unoffensive' pc dystopia. Oh, I'm certainly bothered, but the prospect is both extremely remote and better than the alternative. No, at this rate its likely, whereas the notion of neonazis or islamists taken over is highly unlikely. No wait, islamists taking over is increasingly likely...though still unlikely...for now... and before you bring up Com…
/r/ExRedPill25/02/16 01:50 AM
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Do tell me how many people Anita Sarkeesian has lynched or sent to gas chambers. I was talking about the middle east not nazis. And it has't got as bad yet because feminists aren't getting 100% their way for an extended period of time. I guess I'd have to rely on John Coltrane's sax or Bix Beiderbecke's coronet. It'd suck not being able to listen to some of the other stuff, but I'd live. So you are not bothered by the prospect of such an unacceptable loss of freedom in the name of feminism? I'm …
/r/ExRedPill25/02/16 12:29 AM
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Because people oppose them. Remember the old saying: The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. But they would never get enough popular support, feminism has huge popular support. Plenty of evil groups have started out at the "fringe" at first. The Klan started out as a bunch of drunk jackasses screwing around after the Civil War, and the Nazis started out a tiny party of nobody under surveillance after WWI. We must be constantly vigilant, even against "fringe" g…
/r/ExRedPill25/02/16 12:07 AM
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Just ignore it. Dipshits have been slurring gamers since video games took off in the 80s. With the internet is different. They are even influencing the UN to make international laws based on feminist bullshit. No, radical feminism is stupid. No, the problem is that its clever theory based on utterly flawed foundations. Thats why its so dangerous. This is only because the feminists have managed to gain a modicum of political power. There's no guarantee the TRPers wouldn't be as bad, and likely mu…
/r/ExRedPill24/02/16 11:46 PM
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Pretty much all of that is done much worse by their opponents. But thats just simply not true. If you are thinking of gamergate, gamergate is responsible for none of the harassment etc, and much of the harassment is mere criticism. So no, feminism is far worse. The shaming and co-opting is done by feminists and other SJWs. I don't define myself by my lack of religious belief, don't care about gaming journalism, and care even less about "nerd and geek" culture Ok fine, but gamers are being demoni…
/r/ExRedPill24/02/16 11:21 PM
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I'm not. Its what the feminist academics actually have written. Its what popular feminists are actually saying, like Anita Sarkeezian. Shes not on tumblr and gets millions of views. Then theres game journalism, and the stuff on jezebel, or even newspapers like the (uk) Guardian. Hell their shit is even filtering through into so called right wing papers like the (uk) Telegraph. This is not a minority of feminists, its the mainstream of the theory and the ideology spouted. The other feminists who …
/r/ExRedPill24/02/16 11:09 PM
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Nah, I'm not angry, and not angry at myself. What worried me, is modern feminism.
/r/ExRedPill24/02/16 07:50 PM
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Ok fine, but feminism is still a toxic ideology. Its better to just believe in equality before the law, but to leave it at that and not believe in all the other stuff feminism says, like 'the patriarchy'.
/r/ExRedPill24/02/16 07:48 PM
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So you are really that close minded? You make me sad. Feminism won't help you you know. If you are a woman it will facilitate a harmful victim mentality, if you are male is will facilitate putting women on a pedestal and being a 'nice guy' doing loads of favours while the feminist women you try to impress have contempt for you. How do you think people go full on red pill or mgtow in the first place? They go full on male feminist, then get fed up and go full on the other direction. Thats the path…
/r/ExRedPill24/02/16 07:26 PM
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Though I probably consider myself a 'feminist ally' ironically enough. But why? The ideology is so toxic! All the people being demonized for not toeing the line! How can you support that? Feminism has been good to guys like me. It used to be, back in the first and early second wave. Its not longer that. Why is feminism so exclusively focused on the west? If you care about womens rights in the middle east, thats what egalitarianism and human rights organizations are about. Given the way I live, i…
/r/ExRedPill24/02/16 07:06 PM
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If you can't see it Tell me, what is it that I 'can't see', because it seems to me that I just lack the faith. What is is I 'don't get'. If you can't defend it, and can only say that you have no real basis at all. It's not my job to fix you or your warped mentality. Me? How is it warped? Its not even established? You just assume its warped because you disagree. I'm not asking you to convince me, I'm asking you to defend your own position, as opposed to dismissing an inconvenient disagreement out…
/r/ExRedPill24/02/16 07:01 PM
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I think that the dictionary is exactly what decides what words mean. It more reflects how laymen use words, and collates them. If you are looking into deeper theoretical issues, you can't rely on a dictionary, and certainly you can't analyze the true nature of an ideology with a simply dictionary. Your point, long-winded as all get out, was that some feminists think that women are oppressed and you don't think so? No, my point is that what feminism is is an ideology based around the narrative of…
/r/ExRedPill24/02/16 04:42 PM
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No. Of course I agree with equality under the law. Now this is what I suspect you would reply with: 'but by definition feminism is about equality between men and women so if you believe in equality under the law that makes you a feminist, and you you are against feminism, you are against equality under the law and thus a misogynist'. The problem with that is, its not a dictionary that determines what an ideology is, but its theorists. In other words, the nature of feminism as an ideology is dete…
/r/ExRedPill24/02/16 04:20 PM
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Its hard to say since I never delved fully into it. I only put my feet in, and interpreted all the fucked up shit in a way that didn't seem so bad, and ignored the outright sociopathic shit by some as 'just a minority', all the while only changing my view of women a little bit. Then when I talked about it with my brother, he was horrified with the changes I had already gone through in my attitude towards women, and relationships, and the fucked up shit you often find on the subreddit. I discusse…
/r/ExRedPill24/02/16 12:46 PM
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I think it has more to do with confidence, and if game gives more confidence, its more successful, but only because of the confidence. I've had the most success when I haven't even been trying to pull but juts have a good time. You know the naturally smooth motherfuckers who always seem to pull really easily? They don't do game, they are just very confident with women, go out to have a good time, and women are drawn to them.
/r/ExRedPill21/02/16 08:46 PM
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Evo psych is valid though, they just appropriate and misrepresent it for their own ends.
/r/ExRedPill24/01/16 02:09 PM
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I can't be bothered to give a detailed post about this, but one of the main things that I think draws people to the 'red pill' is their own insecurity about attracting or keeping women. In some cases, its also a sense of bitterness after a bad break up, or an abusive relationship with a bitch, or something like that. Often they are guys who were 'nice guys' who put women they fancied up on a pedestal and did loads of favours for them, maybe got used for attention, or worse, maybe the guy was a m…
/r/ExRedPill24/01/16 02:08 PM
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have you embraced your inner "beta" Oh god thats just as bad.
/r/ExRedPill23/01/16 01:46 AM
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Its only an issue if they have a high count, and sometimes not even then. What you expect them to be virgins? Thats ridiculous.
/r/ExRedPill20/01/16 03:18 AM
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I think what it is they use game to pull shallow sluts with self esteem issues, and the kind of personality thats more likely to cheat, and surprise surprise those women cheat for more 'alpha' guys. That has no bearing on normal women, just a specific type of woman they pull in clubs. That said I do think to an extent most women, when they pick a mate, subconsciously try to aim 'up' in terms of social status, wealth etc. But doesn't make them gold digging sluts, just that they seek a mate of hig…
/r/ExRedPill19/01/16 01:05 PM
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I don't understand your point, no one ever is of course. We are flawed and sometimes our flaws may draw us to flawed or even harmful ideas for reasons which may well be benign. I find it unlikely that he ever hated women, or viewed them as inferior or as golddiggers, as you said he only got into it slightly into it because of low confidence and then lost interest. And believers in it do genuinely believe that it is about self improvement and that they are spreading the hard truth which is hard t…
/r/ExRedPill08/01/16 07:32 PM
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Don't go red pill or blue pill. Don't take a pill. Don't act like 'nice guy' orbiter who does loads of favours for a woman for nothing in the hope of getting their interest, but don't view women as a bunch of golddigging whores either. Just look for a woman you click with, whos attractive enough for you, with good character, and thats it, you're good. 2) Can anybody just give me a NAWALT pep talk? Also its not that not all women are like that, its more like, most are not like that, but there are…
/r/ExRedPill01/01/16 03:14 PM
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The problem seems to me that you put her on a pedestal too much and relied on giving her loads of gifts. Who knows maybe you two didn't even have a natural chemistry. It seems like you almost tried too hard to the point of desperation. Its not that you weren't red pill enough, its more that you were going full on 'nice guy' on her, supplicating yourself before her. Rather than treating her like a person you treated her like a Goddess, and its not surprising that eventually she found your despera…
/r/ExRedPill26/12/15 12:56 PM
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Not now, this was like a year ago. I just started talking about stuff like women wont find you attractive or get in a relationship with you, or stay with you, or not cheat, unless you get in good shape and get confident with women, and that if you are weak or fat or lacking social skills, you will never get sex or fulfillment with women. I have changed my my on that now. There is some truth in it I suppose, but not to that degree. Theres enough truth in the red pill to lure people into a really …
/r/ExRedPill20/11/15 12:23 AM
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Even that was not how you were born, and also, thats just you as an individual, not all of them. I got lightly into it for a bit, but previously had never thought that kind of way about women, and hadn't had a bad breakup or treated badly by a woman in a relationship, and so wasn't bitter. Its more that I wanted to improve myself, and get more confident at talking to women, but I found my attitude to women changing slightly, but my brother called me out on things on saying and I realized with ho…
/r/ExRedPill19/11/15 01:51 PM
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No, its the ideology that twists them, they aren't born that way. Ok, maybe some are, but not most.
/r/ExRedPill19/11/15 01:42 PM
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Of course you can. The motivation that draws people in is often totally benign. He didn't get stuck in that ideology so its unlikely that its ruined him or anything.
/r/ExRedPill19/11/15 01:39 PM
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You are misandrist.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 11:21 AM
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How about don't take a pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/15 07:50 PM
2

I'm sorry but while I am an anti-feminist, I can't get behind the MRA movement or the MGTOW movement. They have too much, in my opinion, of the oppressor vs victim mentality that the left puts me off with. MGTOW is worse cause it combines what I dislike about MRAs with a toxic 'red-pill'-esque view on women.
/r/MensRights27/10/14 06:41 PM
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I agree I guess. I think 'manosphere' can sometimes fall into a trap of conceiving of equivalents to the flawed ideas that feminist ideologues come up with. I think regardless of which group is portrayed as the oppressor or oppressed, the victim or the victimiser, that kind of mentality is flawed and self defeating, while alienating and demonizing the supposed victimiser group. If you don't like it when feminists do it its inconsistent to do it yourself.
/r/MensRights27/10/14 03:46 PM
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All this stuff about men being victims and us living in 'a matriarchy' makes MRAs and MGTOW just as bad as feminists.
/r/MensRights27/10/14 03:22 PM
1

Religious groups?
/r/MensRights14/09/14 06:45 PM
1

Don't you think theres one thing at the root of it all?
/r/MensRights14/09/14 08:56 AM
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Not Cultural Marxism, its Critical Theory.
/r/MensRights12/09/14 10:01 AM
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Some are yes. Marrying is not sensible, relationships are. Divorce laws are biased. I'm with you on it being unfair and all that.
/r/MensRights11/09/14 07:36 AM
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Why would I want maternal love from a woman, I already have a mother. In any case that not how I interpreted it. What I read was that they are incapable of love full stop, on the basis that for them its entirely self interested and they don't actually care about you. Thats what I recall is the jist of what I read on the sidebar.
/r/MensRights10/09/14 05:11 PM
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Do you deny that it said women are incapable of love on links in the sidebar?
/r/MensRights10/09/14 04:59 PM
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They're right. You shouldn't. I meant get in a relationship not marry.
/r/MensRights10/09/14 04:49 PM
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It is real, but the hypergamy the red pill speak of isn't. And I do remember talk people on TRP saying you shouldn't marry, I mean, it said that women are incapable of love on the side bar, and I saw people on TRP boasting about having harems and stuff. I'm not mistaken in my impression of TRP. I was subbed for several months.
/r/MensRights10/09/14 04:35 PM
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Look I agree that women aim upwards, so to speak, and i agree that self improvement, physically and mentally is important, and would make you more appealing to women, but I disagree with all that 'lets be shallow bachelors and fuck sluts in harems', 'you shouldn't want a relationship, only a beta would want a relationship, she'd probably cheat anyway' crap. The red pill take scientific concepts, and conflate them as if they mean much more than they actually do, thus transforming real scientific …
/r/MensRights10/09/14 04:15 PM
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I do think that women and men look for different things from an evolutionary standpoint, and that this included a common tendency for women to look for a man able to provide a stable and secure foundation for raising children. I also think that a minority of women, have a different strategy of looking exclusively for sex many sexual partners, with more physically fit and assertive men prioritized, but thats only a minority, not the majority. I think similarly, most men look for women personality…
/r/MensRights10/09/14 04:05 PM
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I think only a minority of women are naturally inclined to be highly promiscuous with many sexual partners. I think the same is true of men. I think monogamy is the natural inclination of the majority of people. Maybe you have a bad choice in women and go for the promiscuous disloyal ones, the 'game' lifestyle of a redpiller, involving pulling lots of women in clubs and fucking them frequently, would give one a distorted view of what the average woman is like. Give me hard evidence, not anecdota…
/r/MensRights10/09/14 03:44 PM
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I exaggerated somewhat, but I definitely have come across fascists among them. I can't be bothered to explain further, if you look into it enough you might see what I mean.
/r/MensRights10/09/14 03:33 PM
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I appreciate the self imrpovement thing espoused by the red pill, and that learning game would be useful, but hypergamy? Fuck that. Women aren't all a bunch of golddigging sluts. Only someone bitter who's had their hopes of long term fulfillment with a woman shattered, would buy into that. Not to mention that the science the red pill claim backs up their position, is all ridiculously distorted to fit their ideology. I'm glad I unsubscribed from there.
/r/MensRights10/09/14 03:02 PM
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A few sensible ideas regarding scepticism of democracy and opposition to modern liberalism, as a bait to hook you in, and then they switch, and start coming up with a bunch of Neo-Fascist bile. I took the bait, but quickly realized how fucked up the movement really is, and stayed away from it ever since. All I wanted was to flesh out my libertarianism with some secular-conservative ideas, but I quickly found out the the Dark Enlightenment wasn't not what I was looking for at all. Don't underesti…
/r/MensRights10/09/14 01:04 PM
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I think antifeminism is the result of feminism, I think the MRM is the result of feminism, and that the same goes for the MGOW and even TRP. Feminism is creating its own opposition, without realizing it. Now there will be painful reactionary backlash. Things will go from shit to worse. We'll end up getting fucked over by the dark enlightenment due to this, just you wait.
/r/MensRights10/09/14 11:53 AM
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If someone jokes about the holocaust, thats clearly evidence of the genocide culture. 'Hey everyone someone made a holocaust joke, clearly that means our society finds genocide acceptable!' Someone makes a pedophilia joke, clearly we live in a pedophile culture where child rape is totally ok! Facepalm. Feminist logic is so retarded.
/r/MensRights02/08/14 09:43 AM
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I would have thought that after having your arguments demolished time and time again on this thread it would have sunk into your skull by now.
/r/MensRights02/08/14 09:33 AM
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The author of this article may seem relatively reasonable compared to most feminists, but the truth is that those kinds of feminists and social justice warriors are the most dangerous kind. Because they can calmly explain the theory in a way that seems more reasonable, in a more diplomatic way, without coming across as a misandrist, the feminist bullshit they spout is more likely to convince people. However nasty and unpleasant the average social justice warrior may be, they actually help the an…
/r/MensRights24/07/14 04:42 PM
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The first wave - suffragettes were inspired by classical liberalism, and were of a totally different ideology. They weren't actually feminists. Feminism ('second wave' and 'third wave') is an ideology inspired by Marxism. Patriarchy theory basically replaces the proletariat with women and the bourgeoisie with men. The suffragettes did contribute to beneficial changes for women, but the real change was the result of the social-economic-technological limitations that brought about society in which…
/r/MensRights08/04/14 03:49 PM
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You need to organize you own mass un-edits, to counter their attempts to corrupt Wikipedia with propaganda.
/r/MensRights31/03/14 09:54 AM
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Wow. That was a lot of vitriol. You seem to have systematically misunderstood everything I've said.
/r/MensRights17/03/14 12:56 AM
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I have been there. I am somewhat ashamed that I bought into it for a short period. They basically believe that all women are sluts (they call it 'hypergamy'), and believe in other bullshit like 'Briffault's law'. There is some truth there, but much of it is nonsense. They conflate promiscuity with self improvement. There is some insight to it, but a lot of shit too.
/r/MensRights17/03/14 12:49 AM
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I apologize if my initial post was antagonistic, please do describe your experience, im interested.
/r/MensRights17/03/14 12:42 AM
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You cannot say that women as a collective group have power, just as you cannot say that men as collective group have power. You cannot say that all women, simply by being women, have power. Thats like the social justice 'privilege' idea but applied to women. Are women wealthier than men? No. Do they collectively have more power than men? No. Does the state unfairly favour women? Yes. Are there systemic/structural inequalities? No.
/r/MensRights17/03/14 12:36 AM
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I am not conflating the two, I hope I didnt give that impression.
/r/MensRights16/03/14 07:56 PM
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I agree
/r/MensRights16/03/14 07:55 PM
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These human rights struggles solve social problems and bring justice, in the case of feminism it went over board. NO. Feminism (or progressivism, the left whatever) did not go too far, it is inherently flawed. The whole idea that if some people do better than others, that the state has to do something about it, is just absurd. If you don't have a taste for fighting for peoples human or civil rights then leave social justice alone because that's what Men's Rights is whether you like it or not. In…
/r/MensRights16/03/14 07:54 PM
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'Wawawaaa I'm so oppressed by women, I'm going to blame that for all my problems rather than focusing on improving my life'. Replace women with men and you have feminism. MRAs should be careful not to be as bad as feminists.
/r/MensRights16/03/14 07:31 PM
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Marxists claim that under capitalism, the bourgeoisie have all the power over the means of production, and oppress the proletariat. Feminists claim that men have all the power over society and oppress women. Please tell me you dont think the same about women.
/r/MensRights16/03/14 07:29 PM
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We dont live in a male dominated society or a woman dominated society. Feminism is just a messed up ideology that has become too influential, thats all.
/r/MensRights16/03/14 07:26 PM
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feminism is not the only thing that infleunces the state. Corporate interests for example also influence the government. You cannot say that in its totality the state is just acting for feminism and feminism only.
/r/MensRights16/03/14 07:24 PM
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The source of the problem is feminist ideology, but you cannot deny that it derives all its power from influence over the state.
/r/MensRights16/03/14 07:22 PM
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What has happened is that the state has been co-opted into forwarding a feminist agenda, as part of a progressivist agenda. But I don't see our society as being intrinsically matriarchal or anything. Be careful not to mirror rad fems.
/r/MensRights16/03/14 07:20 PM
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You have answered my question pretty well. Thanks. I largely agree with you, though I would emphasize that precisely what is not needed is for the state to give men positive rights. I think the state should be minimal and limited to protection of our liberty in a negative sense (as well as basic infrastructure etc, i digress). I dont agree with special laws for men per se. Rather I think we need the state to refrain from introducing feminist laws (which fuck over men, and generally harm society)…
/r/MensRights16/03/14 07:14 PM
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quasi-marxist nonsense
/r/MensRights16/03/14 06:15 PM
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you arent making sense
/r/MensRights16/03/14 06:14 PM
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I'm inclined to agree with you about sentencing, but i think the problem is with the state being co-opted by a feminist agenda, not structural inequality or anything like that.
/r/MensRights16/03/14 06:07 PM
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That is actually the power of the state, acting for a 'progressive' agenda. Its not women having power over men, but the state being co-opted by a progressivist feminist agenda. Thats the problem.
/r/MensRights16/03/14 06:05 PM
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This is the same kind of nonsense I argue with feminists and other leftists about. Feminism is a very flawed ideology and does a lot of damage, but the problem is not one of inequality. 'Inequalities' between the sexes are mostly the result of sexual dimorphism anyway.
/r/MensRights16/03/14 05:59 PM
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I...don't understand. What is your point? Are you a feminist? I'm not sure.
/r/MensRights16/03/14 05:48 PM
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its removed from reality because it's feminist.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/13 10:59 PM
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While I don't like r/theredpill, I am drawn somewhat to the manosphere, and I think r/thebluepill is totally divorced from reality. I think I'll avoid this subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/13 07:34 PM
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They are the enemies of human sexuality, the enemies of society. The fucking feminists will never be satisfied.
/r/TheRedPill11/06/13 01:16 PM
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If youre not happy why dont you split up with her. In any case its pretty clear she doesnt give a shit about you.
/r/TheRedPill11/06/13 01:04 PM
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Surely a traditional marriage would be a good thing provided that its with with a woman of good character who hasnt been corrupted?
/r/TheRedPill25/05/13 03:33 PM
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The problem isnt that he has less income than her and therefore cant get her to respect him, the problem is that shes a woman of poor character.
/r/TheRedPill02/05/13 03:51 PM
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this makes me sick. freedom of speech only when it suits their agenda...
/r/TheRedPill29/03/13 11:14 PM
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