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Which ones? Not badgering you for credibility, but I'm curious as to how they got to the level of cynicism that they did.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/07/26 10:42 PM
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Me? No. It's why this gender war is stupid. Perceived slights and blatant disrespect is a fuel that doesn't have an end.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 11:20 PM
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The truth of it is, it's just a normal reaction. There's really no reason to go out of your way for a very pretty girl and then treat other women like they're chopped liver. It's understandable to pursue someone, but there's no real reason you treat the people around you as less important just because they're not interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 09:16 PM
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It isn't that. It's more to the fact that women bitched about being sidelined and not getting respect or some kind of courtesy, all for the crime of not being pretty enough. Some argued that they should be treated as well as the prettier ones, but men kinda just agreed that we should at least remain somewhat friendly or neutral to women we don't find attractive. Then came to find out that women weren't gonna reciprocate that standard. If anything, they range from neutral to just straight up unfr…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 09:12 PM
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Weirded out? No, I find that unlikely. Not that men can't be mean or be put off by ugly women. But I find that most of us tend to be neutral, unless we're attractes to her. Most women are fine, but people just tend to find more women than men act outwardly negatively just because the man is ugly and he said hi.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 09:03 PM
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He's mostly speaking to women in general. More like a hypothetical. It's not that you yourself have done this, but there are plenty of women who outwardly express spite and contempt when men treat women prettier than her better.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 09:00 PM
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I don't understand how you hold so much contempt for your fellow man. As much as I've been irked by feminism, it's not the ushering of the apocalypse. But more notably, I don't think of women collectively because of it; even though it's popular in my age group. I don't understand this weird grouping of people that somehow labels them as deficient. And I'm so far past entertaining it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 06:28 AM
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I'm not in anything. I got to this sub via movies being an absolute shit show and this same smug, condescending, and arrogant message being spread and the general audience just booing it out of the theater. There is always a small number of people who choose to ruin their lives by refusing to change. What is it that needs to change? Why are they wrong? But it’s what it always is. A small number. One. I doubt it's "always." Two. It isn't now.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 09:00 PM
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That is very much a problem. Why would we continue to let something like this fester? Also, the irony is ripe: "They believe the world is never going to change, that things are always going to be awful for them. These are types of thinking errors." And in the same breath, "There will always be a section of society excluded from those (relationship) experiences." So what is it? A thinking error or are they right?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 08:36 PM
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Black pill is just woe is me turned into a circle jerk By that standard almost every social cause is woe is me circle jerk. before most people weren’t allowed to divorce unless a husband decided. So there were plenty more miserable people in marriages. Which is why child abuse was just accepted That's their point. Shit is miserable. elaborate fiction of a world that doesn’t exist, and convinced people they must engage and do battle with the fictionalized women within it. Ah, ol' reliable. "It is…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 05:58 PM
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because they are unwilling to pursue long term relationships with anyone other than White women. There's no racial barrier to most men not dating women. As to which, pretty much everyone stays within their own race. White women are highlighted because they're part of the majority of the population. Many of my White male friends openly refused to date women of color seriously, saying they simply were not attracted to them and would rather stay single than date outside that preference. I can agree…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 05:37 PM
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One. We're referencing the Blackpill. Not the red. Their distinctions are VERY notable. Two. Marriage has dropped. So naturally, divorce would follow. https://usafacts.org/articles/state-relationships-marriages-and-living-alone-us/ From 78.8% to 46.8% Relative to the actual married population, I'd still consider divorce relatively high. But this is the IMPORTANT point that they make. The genders are at odds with each other. Women are having open contempt for men, and men are growing in misogyny.…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:55 PM
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Sure. Close, it’s based on motivated reasoning. Part of the low understanding is because they react to things like toddlers, so it’s severely hinder their critical thinking skills. What is irrational and childish about their reactions and motivation? Specifically, what are they doing that points to your claim? They don’t really care about anything except talking shit about women as if women are the cause of all their problems. That’s why when they talk about other issues, they do it from a very …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:27 PM
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No. I did. Just because you want to conflate two different claims and connect them with gender. Doesn't mean it makes sense. There's a reason she won the Nobel. There's a reason why distinction matters. Think.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:11 PM
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The one your referencing. I'm asking for examples of what you're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:10 PM
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What exactly is the point your making? That bad things happen? Sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:09 PM
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In reality, most married guys are not the "moggers" that the Black Pill is constantly talking about. To it's credit. That's very much acknowledged. What they point out is that the divorce rate is high. That the satisfaction in an average marriage tends to range from below middling to barely middling. They have made these assumptions from the research, comments, and accusations of women. That the average women views the average man as not good enough. The open contempt from the women on just abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:07 PM
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Such as?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:55 PM
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Why would a company give a fuck about sexism over capital?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:48 PM
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Because it disproves the initial claim that Western culture is biased against women's work. Because you don't have to have children and you will earn the same. Because mothers not being able to earn as much is a completely separate and distinctive issue. Unless you can explain away why someone not working should earn the same as someone who is.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:46 PM
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Nigga go touch grass
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 07:41 PM
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Which is unrealistic. We have NO positive interactions? I don't think people understand how rare that actually is.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 04:26 AM
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Listen. If the goal is to control the world at all times so you have complete authority as to when anyone can speak to you, that's never going to be a thing. I believe all these things happen. What I don't believe is that it happens constantly; that people don't mind their own business, or that they don't ignore the people around them, that at times everyone in the public space is buried in their phone, or that they really have nothing better to do than to talk to you. How often are we really ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 03:44 AM
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Then what exactly do you derive from the research that is there? Like are we saying there isn't any research into heightism? Workplace death rate? Or any of the other things they bring up? At this point I need to ask, are we just dismissive or in denial of any evidence that doesn't bolster your own beliefs?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 01:28 AM
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But.... they're not wrong? We have measured and studied all these things, and it largely supports their claims. What do you think the research says? What claims and points do you derive from it?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 09:17 PM
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For examples of widespread red pill talking points or ideas that would be easily debunked if measured. If anything, they're slowly getting research under their points. Heightism is still a thing, so is the suicide rate, the work fatality rate, the homelessness rate, the divorce rate (is tapering but people just aren't getting married), and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 09:06 PM
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For examples of widespread red pill talking points or ideas that would be easily debunked if measured. If anything, they're slowly getting research under their points. Heightism is still a thing, so is the suicide rate, the work fatality rate, the homelessness rate, the divorce rate (is tapering but people just aren't getting married), and so on and so forth.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 09:05 PM
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It really wouldn't. Just because it's socially unacceptable to call women fat, doesn't mean that men will consider them more attractive.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/07/26 08:55 PM
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Such as?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:56 PM
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Turn off the phone. Lock the door. Go out. Ignore everyone. Or be quick with your business so nobody bothers you. It is dumb easy to be left alone. To the point that if you're having trouble, you ARE (not maybe, not a hypothetical, and not a speculation) the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:39 PM
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It's more a cause of confusion but I'm guessing that satisfies the intent.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:23 PM
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Of course this would come from the world's sluttiest virgin. What kinda flair even is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 02:25 AM
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Are we scaling to what the actual average is or to what we want it to be? "Most men who think they are average are not average." Is probably a contradictory statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:14 PM
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Because it isn't real, that piece of rhetoric is said mainly for two reasons, to dog on women (which most often is undeservedly), or to get men to stop giving women so much attention finally. It's rhetoric. It doesn't hold weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:10 PM
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Honestly, it just depends on where you live to see that perspective. The birth rate is a real thing that's being tracked and it's dropping in a time when casual sex is more accepted than ever before.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 01:42 AM
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Touché
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 01:38 AM
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I thought marriage, dating, and birth rates were going down not up. Did new info come in? Where's the 90% coming from?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 01:36 AM
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That wasn't the point. It's that whatever reason people had, arbitrary or not, wasn't applied equally across the board. That in essence, since behaving a certain way isn't responded to in equal measures, it's not sound reasoning. Valid reasoning, just not sound. Which opens it up to discourse.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 01:34 AM
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The truth can be spoken by anyone. Sure, but can I just make statements on your behalf and tell YOU what your deal is? Even if the discourse is terse. I'd rather everyone use their own voice. Women are quick to push their neurosis as truth. If you listened to them you'd think women get murdered left and right if they dare to go out at night. Agreed. It's why I say their patriarchy is a small piece. We can't say it isn't happening, but the truth is that you're more likely to die from eating too m…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 11:57 PM
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More like it fits in a small pocket of the world. Along with everything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 02:40 PM
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I've not said women don't have issues so don't act like I did. I'm not. I'm pointing to what they put forth as their issues. I don't think it's fair to tell other people what their problems are. You can critique how far-reaching and other aspects, but I think using patriarchy can probably lead towards some middle ground. In most cases, nuclear family looks towards the father for execution, not leadership. Could you give specifics? Provide a distinction between what most would regard as leadershi…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 02:39 PM
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They have limits too. Nothing is omnipotent. Things exist outside of your worldview. That's kinda the point and the blindsided to the red pill. There are so many other situations and facets of life that you're going to have a whole world that doesn't fit into structures so rigid. Same with any other ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 02:09 PM
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What they refer to as patriarchy doesn't exist in a vacuum. The world is too big to fit in that box. Stewardship in terms of guiding culture, customs, and civilization. How we think, how we view things, how we decide what's proper.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 02:07 PM
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I'm directly addressing it. I don't think we should bury our heads in the sand. It would be wrong to say women don't have their own plight. The fact that they ignore ours doesn't mean we have to follow suit. There's no way we're going to get better that way. That being said. Their definition is too flawed to put forth change. Doesn't mean certain aspects aren't useful, but it doesn't allow a path forward that most would go down towards. What you talked of in your other comment about brotherhood …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 02:04 PM
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and conceding points one through three for the purposes of this debate. So if you have an issue with the definitions at play here, take it up with OP You concurred not conceded with the three points. Or am I wrong to assume that if he lopped off the fourth point you wouldn't have much or if anything to disagree with? Having a caveat doesn't mean you're not holding the rest of the points to be true and that you can't be challenged on how you frame them. Hence me pointing to your own words and not…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 07:00 AM
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That's precisely what progress means: even the mechanisms that brought us here eventually become obsolete. That's not a constant or full definition. But more importantly, it has limits. ALL languages rely on framing. You'd be stripping it for something undefined (and probably unmanageable).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 06:02 AM
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You conflate power with “over dominating” out of nothing but bias and emotion. Then replace it with power. Whatever floats your boat. You also presume that plain homebody women don’t also want powerful men based only on the errant logic that power brings instability No. It's that it's a factor they contend with, and if life is good enough as if.....why take risks? There's a leap in logic there in your presumptions. That power WILL be stable and will ALWAYS be compelling enough for subterfuge to …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 05:58 AM
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Not individualism vs collectivism. You can still hold agency and individuality within gender norms. Otherwise, we could never truly understand what those terms are or what they would look like. Even a visualization would be off because we all literally frame and reference something to understand what something else is. It's extreme autonomy vs coherence and intuitiveness. The core benefit is that people would then have the opportunity to be authentically themselves, How would they even reference…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 05:46 AM
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I'm not really sure what you're trying to say here. And I quote: "that actively shapes every human interaction, career choice, and mental health outcome." This is the premise to which you state and concur. I'm saying that it's incorrect. No system can have that much outreach in every facet of human life. You're describing sci-fi. Exist in large or small pockets? Sure. But EVERYWHERE? Nah. If a system controls the power structures in most professional and social settings, the butterfly effect is …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 05:29 AM
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Depends on what you mean by that. In terms of equality Norway and Iceland take the cake. Statecraft and leadership? Ursula von der Leyen (President of the European Commission), Giorgia Meloni (Prime Minister of Italy), and Claudia Sheinbaum (President of Mexico) are widely considered the most prominent and influential female heads of government. What are the terms? What are the conditions? And what does a country running on patriarchy actually look like?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 04:57 AM
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No. That's a side benefit. The patriarchy is a very small piece of the puzzle that is human civilization. It is NOT all-encompassing as people make it out to be. More like loose guidelines that have been passed down, except it's been altered and watered down. It's why there's such inconsistency towards the term and why every strong piece of evidence for it is always referenced to people who are 70+. The thing with patriarchy. Despite the bullshit it can bring. Is that it works well enough. It ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 04:54 AM
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I wonder where brotherhood, stewardship, and camaraderie fit into that worldview. Sure, they're not as paramount as they were. But it's a thing and it's as old as the first group of humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 04:47 AM
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that actively shapes every human interaction, career choice, and mental health outcome. No. No system is that all-encompassing. It can heavily influence one area and have lesser effects on others. But ALL of it? ALL the time? That's fantasy. The human condition reaches out farther than any single system or philosophy could ever even attempt. The reality is that every status quo feels harmless to those who are comfortable with the baseline Feeling comfortable and harmless is being presumptuous. W…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 04:36 AM
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Nah. That's presumptuous. I very much doubt we're at the end of history and have made the final form for interpersonal human dynamics. Edit: my bad. I realize my response doesn't make sense in relation to your statement. The confusion is on me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 04:29 AM
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You haven't given benefits and you haven't mentioned the trade-offs. Don't act as if completely annihilating a core component of the human condition can be done without consequences or pushback. So why do this?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 04:28 AM
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Why is that ideal? How would that be stable or consistent if everyone always did something different or unexpected? Familiarity, expectations, and consistency are what brought civilization to progress as it did. You NEED (not that we want) something to reference, to build off of, to emulate or avoid; to have ANY kind of progression. Otherwise, it's Groundhog's Day at square one.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 04:26 AM
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Here I'll answer. For some context: I simultaneously believe and don't really believe in the patriarchy. Why do people willingly choose a patriarchy? Because it works well enough. Despite feminism and just general leftist dogma; the patriarchy is full of benefits that give everyone something that they want. The contention is whether we can make something better; if we can strive for a better paradigm that doesn't completely leave us at the mercy of expectations. Or rather the consequences of not…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 04:15 AM
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There is no system that you could create that wouldn't cause some kind of harm. There is no utopia, only trade-offs.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 04:08 AM
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🤣🤣🤣 goddammit I shouldn't have laughed as hard as I did.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 04:07 AM
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Ever consider that the interpersonal relationships of individuals can outreach the scope of a paradign if both parties aren't forming a dynamic that adheres to it. She doesn't want to cook. He doesn't want to take you seriously. She wants things that he doesn't want to give. He wants things that she doesn't want to give.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 03:43 AM
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I kinda disagree on saying that people think it's correct. It's more to the tune of "that's what it currently is." Things have shifted but not changed enough for things to progress. Young women make more money now, they're more educated, they are slowly edging out men in opportunity (average men, the top 1% is mostly left untouched; generational wealth from well educated and affluent people doesn't go away unless the economy is beyond saving). And most women would still consider it beneath them …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 03:38 AM
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Just to be a devil's advocate. To see if this conversation can be pushed further. How does this work in known loyal and stable relationships? We often can identify cheaters, gold diggers, and other undesirables by their past history. Known uses of addictives and constant thrill seeking. Your paradign doesn't work with a plain girl who was never all that popular, stayed inside reading, and grew with constant stability in her life. There's plenty of them (unless you can show otherwise). Said girl …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 02:53 AM
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make up, fashion, choreographies, pop music, stand up comedy, fantasy books, true crime, horror movies, video games, documentaries, etc Yeah....about that. Let's look at what each of them tend to have a focus on. Make up- looking prettier. I've had discussions about make-up and how much of it is really just for women. But let's meet in the middle and say a moderate amount of women try to look prettier to attract someone. Fashion- same as above. Actually it's way more for the sexual than ever bef…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 10:29 PM
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Granted that the interaction is different. But the ideas and overall feelings on a subject remain the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 03:54 PM
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The feed is built off of what gets rewarded. The bots are there to push or stomp out the new shit. But an established audience is actively engaging with the algorithm, letting it know what it wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 03:54 PM
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Counterpoint: Your political opponents will always talk shit about you. That's pretty much a given. This site did prove that leftists would riot, lie, and try to incite political violence. Before Trump, I would've thought people crazy for saying a leftist would get on the roof and specifically start shooting people because of his politics. Or that they view political violence as a necessity given that they're anti-gun and anti-war. You spend a day on Reddit, and you're not exactly surprised that…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 02:40 PM
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To the point that the average guy is having a bad time? Qualify your statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 02:32 PM
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Could you be specific? Your comment could mean several things, you're pivoting onto the next point (again), or nothing at all; and I don't know which.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 02:28 PM
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Ah, that's where you're going. The thread was leaning towards entertainment and that's what I thought you were referencing: the literature, the topics, and the movies. But specifically on the "War of the Sexes," the animosity wasn't this widespread, popular, or topical among the public. women’s suffrage, financial autonomy, and employment equality Is narrowing down history and viewing it through a specific lens. Because if we're gonna define the biggest impact and prolonged effect of the 20s and…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 06:39 AM
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The average Redditor is far detached from normie interests. The average Redditor IS a normie. Nothing, on any of the forums in terms of engagement, is unique to any other part of the internet. Not the shit posting, not the memes, not which subs are popular, not the insults, and not even the topics (shit gets cross-posted from TikTok, Instagram, Discord, Facebook, and Twitter hourly). The only real difference is that you can deliberate walls of text that lean to either rambling or specific detail…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 06:03 AM
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Funny. Think about that. When has the term "touch grass", ever been popular until now?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 12:22 AM
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The influencer world toes the literal line of what's already popular. They don't experiment or introduce anything new. It's just shit that's been online; now regurgitated in a neat little package. Influencers don't influence shit. It's been the general audience the entire time. What have they done that's really groundbreaking? Or broken apart from the general public that's now become popular? They're on what's already in people's minds; nothing less or more.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 12:20 AM
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Then why do most men never see the same result? If the bar really is that low....where are the scores of average to slightly below average guys who should be doing alright? And the slight above average and great guys that should be having the time of their lives?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 12:11 AM
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Petty made up drama that was fabricated. You didn't have entire threads of people stating they're own individual shitty experience with the opposite sex; to not only find out that they weren't the only one. That a trend could easily take hold
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 12:06 AM
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Honestly, the media has a more diverse taste. It's going outside the point OP is talking about. Reflect more on dating advice, experiences, results, and internet personalities. That's close to what he's referencing.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 12:04 AM
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Tell me. How does the comment section look like under each of those? No controversial, visceral, or insulting comments?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 11:59 PM
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still manage to become popular and make a shit ton of money? What's popular doesn't exactly reflect quality. This has been a thing since before the internet. Likely since civilization was even a thing. 'What does the Fox say' became popular overnight and I doubt you'd call it even average. Criticism doesn't exclude you from popularity ALL the time. Redditors being bad at predicting box office has become a meme at this point because key target audiences are simply not represented here. That's mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 11:55 PM
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If you think that being a lesbian exempts you from feeling anguish, scorn, and anger; then no they don't. Otherwise yes. And it goes bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 11:22 PM
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Honestly, lesbians feel straight-up worse. When you step outside the heterosexual framework and look at dynamics that aren't under the microscope of scrutiny, you realize people in general are a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 07:16 PM
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Because people have little to no tolerance and are quite apathetic to whatever it was that was your upbringing. Because it's not that hard to understand right from wrong. Because even if you're set to act in certain patterns and manners; the world will rebuff you expeditiously. You have agency. Throw away any explanation or excuse that's stopping you from making progress. Nobody cares, just improve.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 12:51 AM
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So yeah. That's a problem. I don't know how; since I was 5 I've heard women complaining of not being satisfied or that their man didn't eat pussy. I figured we all got the memo by now. But what OP is framing is the dynamic, not the amount of pleasure that's received. It's in how we treat each other, respect each other, and how we view each other that this post speaks to far more than "she doesn't suck dick", "he doesn't lick my clit."
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 12:38 AM
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OP isn't making a take so much as an observation. As in, for most people; this is how sex is treated whether they consciously acknowledge it or not. From the wording and prose. It's pretty safe to assume they don't like the view.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 12:33 AM
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The condition is that we still need to repopulate. The world is run on human life no matter how many jobs A.I tries to take.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/05/26 03:04 PM
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Again diminishing returns. What does a country look like when most of its population is gone and its ability to renew it is significantly diminished? It's not worth it to them. You take the L and hopefully you don't all get slaughtered.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/05/26 02:26 PM
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I always saw civilian status as conditional to ALL. If the government thought it could work, if it wasn't such a diminishing return, if it wouldn't be a logistical nightmare. They really would put everyone's name on there but themselves. They really would do it if it wasn't such a net loss. Just because they won't, doesn't mean we wouldn't be fools to continue to assume that they won't. If (God forbid) the draft was enacted. They're going to be selective. Most Americans are overweight. Younger g…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/05/26 01:31 PM
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Question. When exactly is this deemed performative? Like unless you can read minds, or you have a reliable track record of past behavior (and know he isn't changing), where exactly do we begin to tell people that "No, what you're saying and doing isn't what you actually believe." I know this is tangential. But performative gets thrown around a lot. And I don't know when we decided where anyone can just supersede someone else in their own values and beliefs. On the main topic. What differentiates…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 04:22 PM
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Fair. I think the only real issue is that at the top of the repercussions (barring anything illegal), there's really nothing to fear from anyone. Oh no, this asshole gets laid a lot. You can bitch about it, but considering it's really nobody's business but his own. There's just not much you can do. Like really, what's going to happen to him? He doesn't keep a girlfriend? He'll get another.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 04:05 PM
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Well for one. Pointing to it as a pretense. You're changing the premise by saying it's fake. When that's not the point. Sure there are those who are pretending. But that's not the subject of discussion. I see no reason to change it. OP even notes that it being genuine or not isn't what's being discussed. "Also it doesn’t matter whether they were actually nice or not because that implies that if they were actually genuine that it would change their dating outcomes when we all know that’s just not…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 02:36 PM
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Why did you bother to comment if you're not going to read and are demanding people to guide you through the discussion?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 02:09 PM
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Considering bank robbers get caught, that's arguable. Like there's very little reprocussions for the guys fucking around, hence why they keep doing it and more importantly, getting away with it. Although getting away with it might be wrong to say, I believe the collective consensus is that there's really nothing wrong with being promiscuous (which isn't really true, but we've been pushing for this so we'll go along with it). But the mishap is in what is being focused on. Like both previous comme…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 02:06 PM
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I think we're past the owed stage of the conversation. Like sure. 100% true. The issue comes from when they choose the other guy when he's demonstrably worse in caring for her. Or I guess to make matters fair, he acted and did the exact same thing; he's just prettier. Which sullies perspective and usually people reframe as shallow. Especially if women are complaining that their personalities aren't being taken into account, then it's shallow and hypocritical.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 01:52 PM
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True. But they get dogged online outside of their spaces. In real life, they're shunned. Until this behavior is curtailed across the board regardless of looks and status. It'll remain. Not to mention. Women have their own derogatory boot that they carry around. Until that goes, this will stay.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 01:42 PM
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I would agree if it wasn't so often painfully performative. It reeks of "I'm one of the good ones."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/05/26 04:25 AM
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I skip over the pitfalls that you lean into. There's nothing to skip over onto if there isn't a ledge. This is a free fall, where, if you're lucky, you have a parachute. You are nothing more than a weak and pathetic victim at the mercy of all others. Oh, do give details since you know so much about me. Better yet, explain how you're insulated from the exploitation. Give us some answers that aren't vague and meaningless. Does that make you feel more comfortable. It never did....which is the point…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 04:19 PM
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Do we not understand that exploitation is a thing? Are we under the impression that it doesn't exist? Tell me. What sense (if any) is there in working through a system that inherently doesn't benefit you? Does that make you feel empowered? We have power now? Ya feel tough? Does your agency have value and meaning now? That make you feel better?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 03:48 PM
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Did we ever truly? Like the expectation was definitely there. Our bad. But the reality settles in rather quickly. That you don't ever rely on her for your happiness, but that the relationship is pretty contingent on you making HER happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 02:55 PM
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"They're seeing that this is an extraction-based system of male exploitation." Remind me again how this is a choice when the only real options left are to either get lucky or not play the game at all. I think we're all aware enough to realize that real life isn't so horrowing, but there's enough truth there that any sane individual wouldn't throw their well-being into such a system. Fuck, women didn't like their deal and opted the fuck out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 02:52 PM
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Nah. The risk is very much still there, but I'm not going to fault someone for trying to minimize it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 11:20 PM
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I mean it's unhelpful for men specifically, for women it doesn't really affect us much, I think. Not really. The left lost the Presidency, the Supreme Court, and Congress due to a significant part of their messaging not reaching out to the other half of the population. There are a lot of reasons they lost, but it's worth of note that there have been negative outcomes because of the current social struggles men specifically have faced. Also as a general rule. It's important to have EVERYONE be bo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 09:18 PM
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There was a hot second when the left blatantly lost the male vote and it resulted in swathes of men not voting for anyone or just blatantly switching sides (not just the US, this phenomenon was occurring in Western and First world countries globally). They kinda did a dog and pony show and there's hints of them taking into consideration their male constituents in the issues that they want to address, but that option seems to be in the toilet right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 08:05 PM
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I wouldn't say inherently be unable to be proven. We HAVE divorce rates, suicide rates, census data, marriage rates, median income information, GDP trajectory, and a lot of information we could discern to explain and prove the premise. But.....the safe money is they will derail the conversation by constantly being contrarian to the premise.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 07:58 PM
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Because, and this is the quiet part being spoken out loud, if men got the same consistent access to sex that women do.....they could stomach or figure out solutions to the other problems in their lives. The biggest motivators I've ever seen men have is anger (sometimes spite) and women. A motherfucker will fix his whole life (that he probably could've done on his own in the first place), just to consistently have his dick sucked. I'm not saying it's reasonable....or rational. I'm saying people a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 07:54 PM
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The skip in logic IS pretty funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 07:46 PM
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This obsession with wanting free access to casual sex is frankly deplorable. It's crab bucket mentality. That because someone else has something, and there's nothing particularly special about them, then the game is unfair.....which it kinda is. To be blunt. If humans weren't hardwired by nature to approach heterosexual relationships the way we do, and instead, if wants and needs were equal on both sides, then women would never have dick on demand like they do. The caveat is that many women don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 07:40 PM
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No judging you. It's just lending to Occam's Razor, that the simplest answers are usually the correct ones. In context with the conversation. It means that the answers that make people resentful, often are the ones that are the actual reason. You had every right to feel some type of way about the situation, but the fact that you didn't reflects well on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 03:59 PM
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So don't question if she's ever cheated? That's unrelated to her sex history? And it's a cuck move to ask? That's a strawman? And not a loophole in your line of thinking? You should ask if she is into talking about sex she has had not just question her without her consent. That's just inorganic to how most conversations spring up between partners. I know a lot of people frame it as an interrogation, but honestly it's that the conversation went to a place where someone didn't want it to go and kn…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 03:51 PM
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Probing is a thing EVERYONE ought to do. And to hear tell of it from women themselves; they have Sherlock Holmes levels of deduction. If he's ever cheated, how he treats his mom, is he on a sex registry, if he's xyz. There seem to be a lot of women that outright pride themselves in doing deep levels of probing without their partners knowledge. Which is fair play, but so is your partner doing the same thing to you. How would you even know? Because knowing about the person you're about to be intim…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 03:23 PM
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I can agree to being openly charitable to people, but the resentful answer just seems like the path of least resistance. That it can be really simple as: No, I just don't feel that way about YOU.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 03:12 PM
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Nah. In the same vein of what he said; it doesn't need to be an essay. People ARE hypocritical and selfish. They WILL actively ruin their own relationships just because they didn't think it through or they just never really cared in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 03:07 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 01:31 PM
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Oh, it's demonstrably unfair.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 02:11 AM
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That's kinda how you know for sure you're in shape. If you can still tell the size and definition that's hiding under the ink, then you're not using the sun or any kind of light to highlight cuts that you don't actually have. As for it being gross, to each their own, but a lot of women are into high-quality ink.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 02:10 AM
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Honestly, the bar doesn't exist. It's pretty much VIP access. Life's pretty good when you're tall, tatted, and in shape.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 09:58 PM
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So....weird take. But I think it sorta applies to this question. In Halo, a lot of fans fall over themselves over Cortana. The female A.I that's your companion in the game. She looks like a 26yo voluptuous woman with the mind of a space future computer. She's 7 years old by the time of the installation of Halo 4. If a 9 year old had the mentality of an adult, with a fully developed body of 25 year old and people didn't know she was 9. Then the answer is probably yes. Because nobody is thinking o…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 10:41 AM
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Honestly, this is probably the only honest answer that doesn't go down the road of vitriol or pedo talk. To highlight the point. Consider this: Sabrina Carpenter is 26. She'll probably still look relatively the same by the time she's in her 30s. Same with Billy Eilish, pre-ozempic Arianna Grande, and Jenna Ortega. If you put them in regular clothes and stuck them in a high school and said they were between 15-17 nobody would probably question it. None of these women are really what's pointed to …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 10:03 AM
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How can the situation be improved for all parties involved? That's the part we figure out. Naming out the problems often leads to vitriolic discourse, but at least awareness is being made. So it's not done at a complete loss. Same happens the other way around too though. Women who experience sexual harrasment are often called liars. Or that they were asking for it. Discourse can shape the response. Before we often made claims without further inquiry or proof. But now it's not uncommon to ask for…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 07:40 PM
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Okay? So we agree that shitty people exist. What does this have to do with gender? That social dynamics that center themselves on gender are far from having a complete discourse and that we should instead complete the discourse to see if we can improve situations for all parties involved. What does this have to do with gender. Are you saying women are way more likely to sexually harras men than vice versa? No. That we willfully ignore problematic behavior because it came from a woman. Scrutiny a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 06:19 PM
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Men are chronically online and are no longer able to differentiate what their personalized algorithms on social media are feeding them from reality. No. It's that you have public and sometimes verifiable proof that the bullshit in your life is something that's not only happening to you. I can agree to confirmation bias. Nearly everyone has it. But why are we ignoring the bleed-over effect that social media has on real life? Where we have recorded and exposed so much of our personal lives online …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 05:52 PM
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I think you might be talking past each other. He makes some statements that probably don't hold up to scrutiny, but I believe he's right about the general resentment that women hold towards men for not being as confident and stoic as they used to be. I think we can all agree that the lack of rights prevented women from scrutinizing and fighting back against the bullshit behavior. But the resentment and apathy that you see online are a part of something else entirely. A better comparison is how m…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 04:44 PM
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It kinda died out already. Logan is tall in a lot of runs, sequels, and spinoffs in the comics. Writers don't really have anything positive to give short characters unless they're another race or they're women. They kinda go out of their way to make a character tall just to make everything preferable. Shortness in writing usually indicates a stunt in growth. Deformity. Unattractiveness. People already don't have a positive spin on it so most writers exacerbate that aspect. The only consistent po…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/26 02:38 PM
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True but the camera and director do a really good job of hiding how short he is or portraying everyone as absurdly tall. Like if it wasn't for the fact that we see Daniel in real life, most people wouldn't even know that he's short just based on the movies.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/26 02:30 PM
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That analogy isn't really equivalent and if we map it over to the subject. The poor would be the most vulnerable and they'd be parallel to women and children. The middle class would have a better time handling an economic fallout. And it kinda misses the point. Scarcity of resources is forcing practicality. Where: A: You help in a way that saves the most lives Or B: You help in a way that's fair but kills more people If you help the middle class, you don't kill poor people; if anything, they get…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/01/26 08:11 PM
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Forgive the cursory response No worries. I appreciate the response. I encourage you to look into Ellen Pence, the history of VAWA and White Ribbon, and how Pence and her team of fellow feminists developed the Duluth Model. I appreciate the source. Suffice it to say for now, the Duluth Model is about as explicitly a feminism-informed, feminism-derived, and feminism-informing model of domestic violence (edited to complete thought) as one might expect to find. From what I'm looking at I believe you…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/01/26 04:33 PM
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(which the Duluth Model of DV absolutely is, a feminist initiative predicated on feminist theory) As far as I was aware, the model came into its own and was then used by feminism. Not necessarily based on feminist theory. That being said I could just be wrong. Any idea how they created the model? Mind you I wouldn't necessarily attribute it to feminist theory just because a feminist worked on it. (I've met anarchists who work for federal institutions) Rather, what foundations (well, assumptions …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/01/26 12:41 PM
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Even if it's impractical? Even if it's a worse outcome? Why bust? What practical and reasonable justification do we have? So some men don't starve. We'll still have a mass casualty rating, and because we decided to play fair, we intentionally let women and children starve. Knowing what would happen. Like.....I don't like these rules. But it seems foolish to be fair over practical.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/01/26 11:41 AM
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Alright. I think I kinda get it. But what should be a proper explanation? A broad definition? Intimate partners use violence to control their partners? Can we not be more specific? If you're so inclined, sir, would you give an example of how that (or any really interpretive claim) has changed policy? Like, first it was this (or maybe we didn't have anything), and now it's this. The only thing that I can conceptualize is the Duluth Model. I remember its creator being invited on menslib or some ot…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/26 11:02 AM
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Could you give an example of what you're talking about? I'm interested in what you presented, but I'd like to see the process you're talking about so I can gain a better understanding of the concept. A dissection if you don't mind.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/26 05:19 PM
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I think we might need to hone in to this specific part "caters to young women and girls," Future isn't as influential as an artist as he once was, but the whole "she belongs to the streets," came from him. Just about every single person in anybody's top 50 rap artists say horrible shit about women. To include the female artists. Their twitter pretty much encourages their audience to follow along..... But it's not really aimed at boys. Like don't get it twisted, they listen and do follow along. B…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/12/25 12:20 PM
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Eh, I grew up poor, around drugs and alcohol, and honestly, I don't trust the shit. Too many DUIs. Too many women pissing up a wall (strong stream). Too many injuries. Too many of everything. But even if that wasn't the case. If the deciding factor was impairment, even if it's controlled and safe, I question how much everyone really likes each other. If the environment, dynamic, and culture of any relationship is constantly revolving around a substance. How long would they interact without the s…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 03:26 PM
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Not really. One type of man does one thing. And every other type does another. All we really need to ask is who's complaining and what for. Most men lament not making a connection with women or never having one. Most women lament that the men they date treat them badly. The key thing is the men that THEY date.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 08:43 PM
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Not the same type of men making those complaints. Hey, who would have thought, different types of men exist with different complaints and problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 08:39 PM
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Calm down AI. I get it, you'll never be a real person, that doesn't mean you start devaluing the human experience and what people find important by it. Listen Clanker, if it wasn't that important, would men and women sacrifice as much as they do to be together and start having families.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 08:37 PM
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1 Oh, please do elaborate on consequences, that’s way too vague for something so important Damn. Got me. If only I had millennia of history and like maybe 2 countries (like maybe Japan and Korea, yeah something like that) that are currently falling behind replacement that I could reference.....oh wait. In no particular order (cuz it's pretty easy to logically think it out): Shrinking workforce. Higher dependency ratio. Pension system strain. Healthcare system overload. Decline in military recrui…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 03:09 PM
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Because you DO care about him, you worry, and you hope that the best happens. You're a mean one, Mrs. Grinch.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 02:53 PM
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I do not understand your comment, I didn't say anything political, Puts on glasses And I quote: "I don't hear male classmates or coworkers being super feminist allies" That's asking for political affiliation. If you don't mean that fine, I'm not handcuffing you to it. I said get your shit together and stop expecting PEOPLE to care about your problems. Everyone is trying to focus on their own issues, not yours. I'm sorry, just one more. Spoken like a true Republican. Also you are no one to tell w…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 02:38 PM
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Because there's consequences. The reason people find each other attractive is trivial, arbitrary, and fluctuating. The ultimate suggestion is for people to date someone who'll like and appreciate them despite their shortcomings instead of swinging for a fence that disrespects you. We've done it before, mind you not always morally, but advertisement is pretty good at selling you an idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 02:09 PM
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My bad I was looking at referencing documents and the CDC has it at 3% https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/ad/ad362.pdf? "Results—Among adults 25–44 years of age, 97 percent of men and 98 percent of women have had vaginal intercourse." And the whole “population decline” thing has been put to rest by historians and economists who studied this a long time ago. Every time there is a deep population decline, wages for the few qualified workers skyrocket since there is so much more demand than supply. Thos…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 02:04 PM
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The rates aren’t as important because marriage was tied to the church previously. We are far less religious and people partnering up in long term cohabitation is common which shows The separation of church and state has long been in place. Also marriage has forgone the church. The rapture could really come and we would still have marriage as an institution outside of church doctrine. (In case of the rapture it probably solidifies it, but marriage is no longer secular in religious terms is the po…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 01:42 PM
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You're missing the point. Sex is not just sex in and of itself. It's how we repopulate and have society function. Also I think your math might be off. I believe it's 3% not.3%. Pedantic, I know, since that number would be acceptable, but the point is that the more people that put children off later in life the more they probably won't do it. If we had a longer lifespan and fertility lifespan this wouldn't mean anything, but we don't so now we have to contend with consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 01:35 PM
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You're missing the point. Sex is not just sex in and of itself. It's how we repopulate and have society function. Also I think your math might be off. I believe it's 3% not.3%. Pedantic, I know, since that number would be acceptable, but the point is that the more people that put children off later in life the more they probably won't do it. If we had a longer lifespan and fertility lifespan this wouldn't mean anything, but we don't so now we have to contend with consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 01:32 PM
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effectively police attraction. men and women to whichever degree you deem respectively will always be “shallow” to an extent Not my suggestion. Suggestion is really all I want to offer. Also our preferences have always been arbitrary. Tits use to hold domain and now ass is queen. Take a shorty from the Bronx and put her in Sweden and they'd consider her beat by the ugly stick, put her in the Caribbean and she's highly coveted. ) a common thing I read on this sub is the whole chad theory. And how…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 01:28 PM
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They will once it gets bad enough. Normal people outnumber athletes by the 10's of millions.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 01:24 PM
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And I'm telling you that when you stretch that out on a timeline and start seeing numbers in the millions shit goes down hard fast. Using your graph we can safely (damn near conservatively) expect the decline to increase, hence the scenario that I'm giving you and pointing to two countries who're further along on that timeline and they've already started to change policies just to mitigate the effects. You didn't say anything wrong. I'm just putting into perspective what this looks like on a tim…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 01:10 PM
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Nah if you don’t have an average lifestyle you just aren’t average. For me and I think a lot of people it’s tied to lifestyle. That's a bit arbitrary considering that's based on cost of living, societal expectations, and couple of other things. I could go to Thailand right now and be considered upper mid to high class. The higher portion of super wealthy would drive up the average too if you are going on mathematical. Historically and currently not how that goes. There's a reason capitalism gets…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 01:05 PM
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More like we shouldn't just brush a girl off just because she's flat chested and built awkwardly. Nor should we discount a boy if he's short and can't grow a beard.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 12:53 PM
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Nepotism. Brony is decent, but he isn't anywhere near his father and he knows it. Also what kind of precedent does that set. Only tall, athletic billionaires are worth fucking. It's eugenics by any other name and we've already seen how that song and dance goes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 12:52 PM
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That number is still a Lot, LOT less than the 60 percent claimed AND as also shown in the study And that's still 1/4 of a population and that Graph shows as steep decline. That's still concerning. And what you called a “ad Homonym” attach was literally a quote raked straight from the study. That's not what ad nauseum means. It means repeatedly discussed and talked over. We keep beating the same horse essentially. I'm saying your reasons are valid, but just solving those wouldn't fully solve it. …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 12:49 PM
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Sure, but to what extent I would argue heavily that we'll reach polyamory unless we really start going doing to the wire where everyone is struggling to just get water.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 12:14 PM
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That's not really enough of a compensation to offset in the world of genetics. Look at Michael Jordan's kids, Lebron's, and Shacks. Shacks kid will be tall but he'll never be close to his father.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 12:12 PM
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But regardless if it doesn’t, a civilisation will go extinct. Many have before, we find their traces to present day. Disagree here. The world is far more connected and resourced than we ever have before and we'll only get better. We're really getting to the point where that's going to almost always be manageably preventable....well unless WWIII. I’m not invested in seeing this as a catastrophic issue Whether anyone is invested is a bit irrelevant. It's going to cause issues to the point of possi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 12:10 PM
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Hypergamy usually doesn't bode well for offspring unless we've conditioned ourselves to support that structure. And we're probably never going to that because as unlikely as it is for people to care about each other it's less unlikely to that they'll start sharing partners on mass. There's a reason marriage was as predominantly and naturally occurant as it was and is.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 11:55 AM
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Fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 11:47 AM
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Ha. Gaslighterr. Nice one.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 11:45 AM
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Exactly middle class in shambles, average people in short supply. Well no. That just means the average has been lowered. She’s not average because most people are overweight, men from 18-50 would be interested in a healthy weight 25 year old so the competition for her is high which means she becomes above average. Guess I didn't look at it that way. I'm on the skinny muscular side of things. Like a slightly smaller and taller Cristiano Ronaldo and I still think I'm just average. But all things a…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 09:27 AM
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Sorry I only use freedom units. To us it's 5'9" 190lbs for men. So some slight chub. 5'4" 170lbs for women. More than some slight chub, but that's how you know the milk is good so it's perfect.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 09:21 AM
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What makes her no average? Why give her a higher tier? 50k IS the average. That's not me saying it. That's the IRS. Also the middle class is kinda in shambles.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 08:56 AM
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50k is average across the board. People do what they got to get by. Men complain they aren’t getting the women they want. Average guys can get women but no one said they can get above average women which is what men “complaining about their Prospects” are wanting. I disagree. The local 25 year old man that works in the office wouldn't mind the local 25 year old woman who works two desk over. If anything the 25 women often complains about too much attention. Everyone has problems man doesn’t mean…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 08:28 AM
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In all that we've learned in our history, this among others, is something we never repeat.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 08:18 AM
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Nah. Honestly you probably gave away your age with that statement. Start hitting 30s without having anybody and see how that talk starts changing. Or maybe you already got someone. Either way chances are someone in your family is being talked about and worried over.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 08:16 AM
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Anger, frustration, depression, disconnectivity, etc. The lists can get pretty long.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 07:50 AM
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Moms genes are still there. Not to mention preferences change. We would always have incels. It's pretty callous that the answer is to do away with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 07:49 AM
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Is it somehow a noble thing ? Obviously and resoundingly yes. Our faults aren't the only thing that'd define us, too many people have built too much for anyone reasonable to just simply state to do away with it. We'd have died and stayed in caves otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 07:47 AM
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Making a lot of assumptions
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 07:44 AM
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Wanting your kid to have a partner when they struggle? "Hey Timmy. I know you're not good at socializing, so let's get you ready for hermit life."
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 07:44 AM
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Why are we trying to marry political affiliation to caring for your fellow men and women? Do they open the door for you? Help you move out of your house? Be in groups to help you and each other out? The local community building never gets enough love honestly. Most of the population pretty much agrees that abortion isn't really good, but it's absolutely necessary. Is there no silver lining in that moderate approach? Like what do you want people to do ? What can women even do about it ? Consider …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 07:42 AM
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You offer no solutions you just imply it’s something women have to start doing some way some how. More that it implies that it will lead to problems if we keep going this way. Japan and Korea are legitimately concerned and the whole world is gonna watch to see how bad it gets and see how much money and mitigation it's going to take. encourage/force her to date (using your examples) the neighbours kid who has early male pattern baldness, some myriad of disabilities, and whatever else makes it dif…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 07:32 AM
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You acknowledge there's a problem, but the answer is just to shrug? Consider that we didn't have this problem. Why not question how to fix it?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 07:23 AM
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First off, it’s more like 25 percent of men not getting any in a year (and that’s up from the last report) That figure doesn't exist in a vacuum. That number is what, double, compared to what it used to be (if I'm reading the graphs and studies right) A quarter of the population is something to be worried about. I don't know why we would shrug it off. Fuck 25% of ANYTHING is nothing to sneeze at. And 2nd: the report listed out what are the causes for a lot of the struggles This sub has gone ad n…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 07:22 AM
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Actually I thought we went over this already. The landscape has changed. College, steady job, and 50k a year would usually mean a bit above average, yet you would find many in this bracket complaining about prospects. None of the pills would have taken off the ground and into the mainstream like they have if there wasn't widespread grievance on both sides. Or are we saying we really don't have problems? We can't use the old indicators when they no longer yield the same results.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 07:17 AM
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What are they if you don't mind me asking?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 07:11 AM
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Not really. Because she also has equal unattractive qualities. Nature just has always had men want them in higher demand. Snaggletooth isn't snagging Chris Hemsworth just because she's picky.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 07:10 AM
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What is the main issue?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 07:08 AM
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Framing relationships and people as an exchange like in business and also being disgusted by being objectified is contradictory.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 07:07 AM
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Prostitute ourselves because poor men didn’t have sex in a year. That distorts the issue and ignores the problem. People want to find partners and either men or women, they have issues in doing so. Nothing is free in this world even water is not free and these guys want women to sleep with them or prostitute themselves as their bodies are charity or objects to be rented or sold. This contradicts the previous statement. And also the current one it's in. You can't say nothing is free and in the ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 07:06 AM
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I kinda used to think like this until I considered that men could do everything right and still fall short for some of the most benign reasons. Consider this. Are men really THAT unattractive? Is your average and regular guy not a suitable match for the average women? You say some realistic path for women to find more men attractive, but that usually entails that men are the one changing. What would they need to do? Honestly this: "So you want women to fuck guys who make their skin crawl for the…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 06:53 AM
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Or alternatively look at the men that think you're worthwhile and consider that they are as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 06:48 AM
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Marriage rates don’t mean anything Why? Qualify that statement. Why would there be nothing to garner from marriage rates? Why should that be dismissed because: "people partner up and live together for long periods of time in de facto types of relationships." Doesn't mean much when the biggest indicator of commitment, stability of the relationship, and future indicators is still marriage That would have been taboo before. It’s not now. The lack of taboo doesn't address the statistics and all that…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 06:45 AM
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Then why are marriage rates and birth rates lower than they have ever been before and we continue to compare Canada, USA, UK to Korea and Japan in terms of dating life, marriages and birth rates? I'm not saying it's completely abysmal, but it's certainly worse. Also tiny compared to what? A couple million? Is that NO cause for concern?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 03:44 AM
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Eh, not the only one. The movement is kinda just laying in the dirt, so it really doesn't matter now.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 06:23 PM
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I quote: "I want a man in finance, trust fund, blue eyes, 6'5"." Not all competence is attractive. The tech bro who can build apps and manage servers is still unwanted and the plumber who fixes your sink is still having people turn his nose up at him.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 04:35 PM
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Eh, I think there's a solid argument to be had that we would still find women attractive even if they never did all the makeup and skin routines. Maybe rate them lower, but we'd still love them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 04:01 PM
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That many men being single for that long, and the number of women who complain about the dating scene, flies against that logic. I'd understand if you gave other reasons, but not trying hard enough is laughable. And just for reference, Japan is projected to be way below replacement. The human race can very easily stop cooperating and propagating.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 03:55 PM
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How so.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 03:41 PM
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Or, and hear me out, you hunt more and sell the meat, bones, skin, and blood. Buy a good pickup and fix your teeth in the next town over. Living off the land is hard work, but it's stable, and depending on the situation you practically have no bills to pay. Chicken, rabbit, and pig farms are self-sustaining as fuck, and you can feed a family of 6 with just a garden and a good greenhouse. People don't live like this because they don't know better, but because they discern that it is better.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 03:38 PM
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True, but it blatantly made attempts to do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 03:23 PM
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So. People can't be seeking to be partnered and failing to be? Incels are just a myth? People who are picky about who they choose a myth? Getting rejected is a myth? Women being in situationships a myth? There are many examples of people trying to get partnered but not getting what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 03:22 PM
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Again, where are we getting this not looking for relationships from? If anything the heightened standards would indicate a stronger desire rather than a want for single life.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 02:35 AM
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I get what you're saying, but it almost feels coercive to try to curate a personal preference just because it's arbitrary. I was thinking that we encourage exploration instead of trying to jam in a preference. The body positivity movement really did try making big girls attractive and it had nothing but pushback.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 02:29 AM
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Doesn't the lack of surplus of such men make that desire pointless? You may want Chris Hemsworth, but you're not getting one. What's the point of throwing out good options when your desired alternative is likely not to want you back?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 02:23 AM
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That's too jaded and stunted for me to give it that much credit. The hillbilly with only 2 teeth can hunt, gut, and skin a deer and have enough meat for a year. The tech bro pot head is coding his own programs and can develop an app. The uppity prima domma that is always in drama usually has a great network of people that helps her get into places. Men and women are far more than the sum of their indulgences and discrepancies. I understand that many people fail, but I don't know why we ignore th…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 12:53 AM
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I can see where your head's at. Though there are holes in your theory. Nature makes you attracted to what survives the best. Even if your great-great-grandmother wasn't really into it. I get that we got what worked instead of what was preferred, but your environment kinda adapts you to like what is there since ultimately it's all arbitrary. Probably the easiest indictment of that I can think of is black women. They've been rated least attractive in online studies even though they do alright in r…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 12:45 AM
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Where did we come to the conclusion that most people aren't looking to be partnered? Or to be specific, most young men?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 12:14 AM
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Then why do we have such a hard divide between the sexes? Or are we claiming that the majority of men are undesirable? In particular the young men. It's some 60-70% of them that are single. An age bracket of 18-35, being mostly single and not looking to change, says a lot and implicates many things.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 10:26 PM
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I wonder. Is it really just the undersiarables? Or is there a large shift where men really don't like what women are turning out to be or how they're treated by them? I honestly do feel shit shifted when that dating stat came out that most women find most men to be ugly. I was waiting for the women to say "that's bullshit", but they kinda just shifted their feet, looked away, and shrugged as if to say "it is what it is." I'll be honest. I don't think we can ever go back knowing that's what they …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 10:05 PM
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This is just one piece of it. Understand that some truly exceptional people are charming, well-received, and arrogant down to their bones. Kobe, Jordan, and just about any major star on top of his/her game come to mind. Some people are so good that it really doesn't matter that they're that egotistical. Quentin Tarantino and Stanley Kubrick are both arrogant pricks as directors, but nobody can really say they've made a bad film. Even if you don't like ANY of their movies, which is rare as fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 06:36 AM
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I sorta disagree here. People with the chops to do well/great kinda tend not to be (but often still can), since they understand that being humbled is natural and can occur often. The truly exceptional are arrogant and egotistical as fuck. Michael Jordan, Steve Jobs, Genghis Khan, Pablo Picasso, Napoleon, Mozart, Kobe Bryant, Oscar Wilde, Muhammad Ali, Queen Catherine the Great is probably the most uppity ugly bitch I've ever read about but holy shit was she good. The list is endless and we add t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 06:24 AM
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Why? I'm curious as to how you could even guess this?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 05:46 AM
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And all those lead to not dating. But more to the point. Most women are not in abusive relationships. The average man has no incentive to be this unnaturally violent and abusive. The Elliot Rogers of the world are a rare breed. But if we're gonna start painting narratives and poking holes at ideologies, we must first understand how they are actually formed instead of building up ridiculous straw men that don't hold up to scrutiny. These men don't assume that the good-looking Chad is an asshole o…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 01:34 AM
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That's kinda what the whole loneliness epidemic is gnawing on about. There's a noticeable amount of average people not partnered. The fact that we won't meet replacement if it keeps going like this, Japan has already started seeing effects and probably by the time Gen A comes around they're gonna see some forms of collapse.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 09:40 PM
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Nah, that's not how they're thinking. They assume they're assholes because women massively report being mistreated, abused, or not taken care of in their interpersonal relationships. If the majority of the normal and ugly dudes aren't in relationships and it's only the tall, decent-looking, and really handsome guys dating..... It's kinda logical to assume they're the assholes if women keep saying men are shit at dating and the only guys dating are chads and chadlite. Either the abuse isn't reall…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 01:05 PM
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Because they're unattractive themselves. They eventually wanted to settle down and got what they could.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 12:55 PM
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Not really. The Elliot Rogers of the world are a rare breed. Most people, to even include does with high aggression, don't want to hurt anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 12:26 PM
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They really only believe they're more deserving because of how the modern world frames relationships and that only the really good guys get them. Blatantly and demonstrably not the case. Which makes anyone on the losing end of that lie resentful. Also, the real players get away with shit that they know they can't and don't even want to do. Doesn't necessarily make the players assholes, but it blatantly exposes the lie. It doesn't have much to do with Chads not committing. What's the saying “Neve…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 12:23 PM
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One. Abortion is still the biggest source. IVF destroys a couple of 100,000 a year, abortion easily clears around 700,000 to sometimes a million a year. Globally, it's IVF at 2.5 million to abortion's 73 million. Two. IVF is stupid expensive. A barrier to entry that limits its use. Three. I don't mean to throw trans people in the middle of this, but it bears making a note that since we've made some progress in accepting transgenderism, we've very slowly started to open up to other forms of trans…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 03:53 AM
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Honestly, what we've got going on right now is legitimately the best solution we could have asked for. Let the state and the people vote on it. I was always 50/50 on abortion, and honestly, I'd legitimately support keeping shit the way it currently is. I mean, there's literally more abortions happening now than there were before, but philosophically, ethically, and morally, this was probably the best answer to give.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 11:54 PM
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It was not "men" who created the situation, it was religious fanatics of both sexes all reasonable people of both sexes supporting everyone's reproductive rights against the religious freaks? Nah, this framing needs to die. It misses the trees for the forest and if you keep digging in with this as the face of your argument, you won't do much besides pissing off Christians. Their position is a basic moral one. No one has the moral authority to end human life. For those who believe in capital puni…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 11:09 PM
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For the sake of clarification, what exactly are you referring to?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/08/25 08:35 PM
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The Earth? Yeah. That men are disposable from an evolutionary standpoint? Also yeah.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/08/25 08:15 PM
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You're gonna have to word that differently or explain your reasoning. This is like saying "I know people have said and provided proof that the Earth is round, but I'll continue to believe it to be flat."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/08/25 08:04 PM
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Reversing Roe v. Wade was a judicial decision, banning abortion in certain red states was a voter decision. Glossing over the fact that it lost federal protection due to a judicial mandate and putting the onus on the voters (specifically male voters) is just pointing fingers instead of actually understanding what it is that happened. The comment that responded to me pointed this out, but it bears repeating. When you are making laws that will affect the entirety of the most powerful nation in the…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 06:37 PM
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Most people in general don't vote. Men even more so.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 04:19 PM
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It wasn't a vote, it was a judicial decision. One that could have been mitigated if enough people cared. They didn't, so now abortion is what it is, state-dependent instead of federally protected. So yeah. They didn't give a shit and it turned out pretty much how you'd expect honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 04:17 PM
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Happy to do so kind stranger. Ever heard the story of King Tantalus? It's where we get the word tantalize. Long story short he's cast down to Tartarus (Greek mythology hell) into a pool of water with a fruit tree hanging over his head. He can't drink or eat any of it. The water recedes from his hands and lips; the food escapes and dodges his grasp. Everything he wants and needs is right there in front of him, and he can't have any of it. In many people's writing, stories, and notes that try to e…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 01:58 AM
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Question? Is it an actual exploration or is it making its own stance on it? Because "having community who love me and who I love, who supports me and who I support, is better than be utterly isolated" Is not always true. Actually what's more damning about that statement is that it isn't even consistent. Suicide, bitterness, jealousy, pettiness, yearning, longing, and so much more apply and can be demonstrably be shown to be part of this. I understand that it's very nihilistic, but I think we sho…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 11:03 PM
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I can respect that outlook. My only complaint is that it kinda seems they gave up on finding a partner and are trying to supplement life in other areas where they build bonds and communities. I question if having all the best friends you want and being a pseudo uncle/aunt can fill the hole of not having your own family.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 09:01 PM
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I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding. People don't have to live or think about life as you do. We're all kinda free to want romantic relationships. To hinge it all on friendships seems like a cope or a place of accepting that romance isn't for you. That's a tall order to ask most people regardless of gender. I don't even think most women think to that extreme. To just not care about romance or sex. You may be presuming much.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 09:10 PM
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Humans, on average, were taller pre agricultural revolution. Over 10 thousand years ago. No, they weren't. They were comparable in height to us. Agriculture took a lot of protein from the diet in exchange for a more stable food supply. But now that we literally can eat all the protein and nutrients we need and want, we're growing taller. Currently, we're plateauing a bit, but with mate selection and increased nutrition, we are predicted to be taller. The recent gains in height are not at all inf…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 01:30 AM
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Isn't that partly why it's sexually selective? Taller people need more nutrients to be that tall. So if you're tall, you come from somewhere that has those resources available. So one. Why are we separating the two as if they're not tied together? Two. Are we claiming that genetics have not much to do with it? Can I just rice and chicken my way to being 6'4"?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 10:52 PM
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Personal choice is rather irrelevant considering that the average height worldwide for men used to be 5'4" and it's now around 5'9". Behavioral results have kinda spoken for us all.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 09:33 PM
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I can give you politics. Too many people are way the fuck too comfortable about a problem and outcome that no single person could ever really dissect or fully explain. Politics in the scope of any seriousness lies well beyond the reach of any single individual. It's why there are groups and "teams" that control the narrative, and the red pill is nowhere near that big of a group to talk about something as complicated as politics. Individuals and smaller groups can only really deal with what is sp…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 07:49 PM
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This really only applies to men who ARE looking for commitment, and have failed to attain it from the people they've been sleeping with. On the other hand, Fuckboy and Fuckgirl get along fine as long as they consistently keep the bulk of their interpersonal lives separate. The point though, is that most women DO want the commitment. So the circumstance of a guy having a girl wanting him to commit happens often enough to make note of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 05:22 AM
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People who have never dated don't live in a vacuum. They see and react to the world around them. Barring antisocial behavior. People who have never dated probably don't because of aromantic or asexual reasons. Or they see how miserable other people are in failed relationships. Also, they may realize that most of their dating options are shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 10:31 AM
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You've not made an argument. You've made a statement. One that I disqualified like two comments above.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 10:27 AM
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Touché
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 12:13 AM
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That's not the refutation you think it is. Correction. Not the refutation that YOU think it is. Pointing out that it's a generalization doesn't disprove that it doesn't happen, but that you're removing nuance and variables from the table. I'm not disproving that women aren't hos. But rather that isn't even the majority. It's just a trend you find in certain women. Enough to be noticeable and have some kind of generalization. Generalizations are good, because they describe the majority. Only if t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 12:11 AM
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Fair. Though interests and wants can differ. Guy A might be the best for the long haul. But Guy B isn't as good, but she likes him more. Idk. There's something intrusive and inappropriate on letting ANYONE other than myself pick who I want. Even if they're just weighing in their opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 08:04 PM
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That's just a generalization. There's more to women than being a ho in her 20s and then getting desperate at 30. Why do we ignore that life isn't more varied? Like I get trends. But considering how unhealthy and abusive the ho phase is, I just doubt how popular it really is.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 08:01 PM
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I don't know, you tell me. No. This is your scenario that you brought up. I don't know why you would quit halfway through it. say that men and you specifically will, what makes you say you will? I don't mean to be pedantic. But could you rephrase this? The grammar and sentence structure is throwing me off. Are you asking how do I know that I care? How do I know that other men care? Actions, statements, and understanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 06:18 PM
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Or ya know. They get sober. They drink less. They move on. I wouldn't expect overnight results.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 06:10 PM
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We're tired of repetition? What logic is that? "Hey wear a seatbelt." 1st time you treat it seriously, 100th time you shrug and move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 06:09 PM
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At what point have I mentioned women in any fashion? I was assuming they would be the ones catering since men want women. Are you saying that no media caters specifically to men? As of late? Not really. Or maybe it's better to say not to the same degree it was. But that's besides the point. We were talking about being visually stimulated, and in the context of this thread, sexually visually stimulated. Which is where I begin asking, where are men being catered to and how? Specifically, since wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 06:07 PM
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You probably made the most salient answer on the thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 05:55 PM
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I already know how to care about people in general. I'm more so lamenting that it isn't often or ever really reciprocated. But to answer your question. Why does she want a relationship with me?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 05:52 PM
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I second this
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 05:47 PM
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Why would it not be a serious suggestion? If they're complaining about abuse, why would you treat a suggestion (that will probably work) so lightly?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 05:46 PM
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Like seriously, who cares what a bunch of people with bad dating lives think? They’re all just miserable and angry. Kinda matters when it's a sizable portion of the dating pool. Because these ARE your options. Not to mention that could easily be you. I think women should be able to do it no different than I can, free of ridicule. Nobody is free of ridicule. Where did that myth come from? Dude’s just like to invalidate that because they can’t understand, relate, or empathize with it due to their …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 05:44 PM
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I don't know how most of us got the idea that women would care about us in any or much regard. Most of us already know what it's like to have nobody care about you. Why would that suddenly change?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 05:35 PM
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Wait. How? Qualify this statement. Otherwise, am I to believe that women don't (for the most part) put on make-up, dresses, and anything to make themselves more beautiful for their own sake? Instead, it's all catered towards men?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 05:21 PM
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No silly. Just because they profit off our backs does not mean their power is contingent on our wishes. If that were really true, firing people would be a liability. Also, to be specific. Since we're making this a gender thing (for no real legitimate or sensible reason), more men are for reducing government. Which, last time I checked, was the pinnacle of ruling anything in a country.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 06:47 PM
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No. Only rich, well-off, or advantaged PEOPLE are. EVERYONE else is on team 'this some ol' bullshit'
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 04:29 PM
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Attractive in a seminar on literary analysis? Likely going to tilt towards your reading ability and discussion contributions a bit more. Nah. Still expect to be in somewhat good shape, half decent to great facial features, and definitely tall. The slightly chubby short Indian that loves reading mythology WILL be ignored. Us tall book nerds are somewhat close to their fantasy character, but the real winner is still the tall muscular guy who looks like Brad Pitt.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 09:21 AM
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We seem to have a reading problem. It does not matter who. Only if the what is consistently true.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 11:42 PM
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We should let Jeff Bezos give out all the advice. Or Musk for that matter. The man just got married and is probably working on his next kid. Hell, Trump is president even though he's a felon. That's a comeback story if I ever heard one. Should see what he thinks. He grabbed his way to a pussy and no allegations will probably ever touch him. Fuck, ya know what. Putin started a war that even his own country doesn't really want and he's STILL president. He (unironically) does well with women. Miss …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 10:27 PM
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Uh hu. Sure. That's what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 10:19 PM
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Bleeding heart syndrome?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 06:42 PM
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What are you doing in this subreddit? Not saying you can't stay. But I'm genuinely curious as to how you have any reason to engage.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 06:11 PM
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Honestly, unless I was paid, I have no desire to show how much of this drivel is out of context, using selective information, and using debunked data. Particularly on their first point. That media doesn't have a man-hating bias when the juggernaut that is Disney (and other adjacent film studios) has kinda blatantly portrayed it that they do. Hell, don't even get me started on video games. Who's audience (except for like a brief stint in its early days) has damn near always been staunchly male. I…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/07/25 01:44 PM
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And I'll say it again. The fact that you would rule out all that growth and development in exchange for the guy who gets you hot is still shallow. You are actively prioritizing attractiveness over character. Is it possible to find someone hot enough with good enough character? Yes. But would you choose someone less attractive even if they embodied all that growth that you went into detail in explaining? You just told us no. So now, the question really begins with how much of what you wrote REALL…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 03:13 AM
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Ya know. Happy for you stranger. The comment doesn't really answer OP's questions and sort of misses the point, but just reading about you gushing over your man is just fucking heart warming and endearing. Drive save, stay happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 01:45 AM
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No. It's most decidedly very shallow. Practical and understandable, but shallow nonetheless. The whole growth, learning journey, and gathering a good influence of friends and family meant absolutely nothing just because he wasn't tall enough (or whatever attractive standard it is you have). Do we understand why attraction is important? Yes. Is it still shallow? No fucking shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 01:32 AM
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..... you understand that for all intents and purposes you threw that giant Q&A that you had out the fucking window? Your recent comment doesn't invalidate anything you said. It just renders the possibility of it to be far closer to not for something that is just most decidedly shallow. Honestly, those answers made me ask more questions and seem just a tad bit naive, but with this, I just question if it even matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 12:51 AM
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fault? It is not an actor. It is a program. And it is the fault of the programmers who made a theft and plagiarism program Then why are we calling it a “theft machine”? You've been phrasing it as if it's inherently malicious, now you're acknowledging it's just a tool? Also. It's a reach to even imply this tool was designed with the implementation to steal data. That the programmers had malicious intent. Including fiction, blog posts, insane scribblings, and the fucking Time Cube. But it doesn't …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/06/25 05:44 PM
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Stolen as in the data from others is used without permission or payment And again. That's not its fault. It's not hacking into anything. It literally just goes through all the public data that is available. It can't produce your SSN if it wanted to unless it was made publicly available. Unreliable as in these theft machines don't know what's real or not. Doesn't it cross-reference across academic sources, peer-reviewed papers, encyclopedias, and a whole bunch of other things? But even more to th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/06/25 02:25 PM
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Stolen how? It Googled around and made a summary of the data. Depending on the request, it uses its own tools to compile and organize it. It can make its own Excel spreadsheet. Like if it gets its hands on data that needed to be paid for, that's not its fault, but whoever leaked it. Unreliable? That more depends on the source and if it can discern what's a more reliable source. But it would be on us to show that it consistently gathers unreliable information. It DOES do logic and math. That's ju…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/06/25 02:03 PM
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Actually can we unpack this? I get why AI art is bullshit. That people use it as a crutch for work, school, arguments, and whatever else. But can we not ask it to formulate scenarios? Bounce ideas off of it? I don't really get why are we calling damn near EVERY use of it as intellectually incompetent when for the most part it just summarizes things that you would've Googled anyway. Is there NO discernment?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/06/25 08:47 AM
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It can give a thought that the other person wants to continue the conversation. Yeah. At another time. Since this conversation was ending. So they need the social to hit them up . And then a topic pops in your head, so you continue the interaction Admittedly I do this. But I realize that's not normal and that most of the time it's seen as an annoyance since usually people don't want to talk again if I try to overextend instead of letting things die naturally. Also, did the other person say stuff…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 05:35 AM
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It's not so much curated. As just you got an extra account that has barely anything in it except a different username and maybe a few posts and followers. Just barebones so you can talk at your pace and not have a stranger find out how to contact your mom.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 02:21 AM
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I'd agree if it wasn't for the fact that he didn't bring this up in the middle of the conversation. But at its natural end. There's really no reason to keep it going if it was gonna end anyway and you said no to the social media handle.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 01:50 AM
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To be honest. This seems wild. You can pretty much make up whatever you want on your social media accounts. Have real and side accounts depending on who you're talking to. A phone number can dox you if you use it right. Could learn job, school, address. A lot of personal info is kinda tied to it
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 01:48 AM
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Kinda feels that the opposite is true. Social media can let you keep people at an arms length. Like there's really no way to know who SirBangsYourMom really is unless he tells you. You can probably dig up a lot of personal info from a phone number. To the point you can probably dox them. Use your alt accounts boys and girls. The world is not to be trusted.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 01:42 AM
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He said he waited at a point where the conversation was just about to naturally end and they were parting ways. Kinda like hey let's meet and talk some other time since we kinda enjoyed this. Saying no to the IG handle doesn't revitalize a conversation that was gonna end on its own and it's just weird and awkward that they would keep it going.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 01:34 AM
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You mean publicly? That's not how that works. You don't blatantly out yourself to a crowd that will shit on you for being a ho. You do it covertly. You say things like open relationships, or normalize sex without commitment, or polygamy, or slut phase. Obviously some of these things are a genuine attempt to normalize a different type of dynamic and relationship. But most people aren't particularly interested in it and it would only really be pushed by prolific cheaters. At the very least they wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 11:49 AM
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You cheat on someone. Yeah, that's toxic and a bad dating decision. The way you go about it is usually exploitive. By betraying the dynamic of the relationship and benefiting from what you receive from both people without their knowledge and consent of this unknown change that you have interjected in the dynamic. There are other examples, situations, and contexts. But that's usually one where no one really disagrees and can be acknowledged that both men and women do at the same rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 11:56 PM
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Nah. They're usually slightly to way above average. Not top tier model, but they're usually tall with a decent job. Have a decent fit and an alright face.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 11:48 PM
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Ideally? Themselves. In practicality? Their own social circle. Family, friends, neighbors, and coworkers. An intervention where if they don't change. They begin to be ostracized. Only reason I don't like this idea is because it can easily be exploited into some big brother bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 11:45 PM
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Self reflection. A decent chunk of the red pill wants to do this through shame. Making it socially unacceptable that they behave and take actions that are largely negatives. Shame isn't really doing the job. Not to mention it's being misused and exploited to control people. But what it would look like is building a culture where we ask women and they ask themselves as to what they are doing (specifically all the negative/toxic shit that they get away with and exploit) is really okay to continue …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 11:42 PM
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Okay....Not a single bit of this goes against the point. If anything. You and him are in logical lockstep. Where you just wanting to agree and express yourself?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 09:51 PM
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More like taking an individual to the realm of legends. God bless St. Black Ops-cell
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 05:56 PM
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If you find it too hard to put on a better face, consider drugs It's called self-help and it works!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 12:30 PM
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We understand they don't like them. You've said it enough times. I keep telling you. That's completely irrelevant to the fact that the halo effect exists and that other women blatantly DO take advantage of it. You can argue how frequently it's used or if it's something many women want. Or a bunch of other things really. You can't argue about its existence just because a bunch of women aren't attracted to a lot of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 12:01 PM
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And many women still don't do this - To be completely honest there's no true way of knowing. But if I had to hazard a guess. It's probably an overwhelming majority. Women are social sexual creatures like everyone else and as long as it's socially acceptable to have, they're likely to have it. Most to all women own some type of bikini or lingerie. Most to all take photos of themselves constantly. Most to all constantly worry about their looks. Most to all are susceptible to criticism regarding th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 07:48 AM
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No. It's not contingent on them being attracted to those men or any man. It's on men being attracted to them. So you could apply this to lesbians.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 07:36 AM
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I can't believe we've mythologized so much of these concepts for so long that we legitimately have real life lore about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/25 01:57 PM
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posting photos of their lives for friends and not trying to post thirst traps for men to comment and give them self-esteem boosts and then to have power over these men through their sexuality. Yes and no. Excluding influencers. The fitness gurus. The models. The strippers. The pornstars. The onlyfans girls. Well them and a couple of other groups. Just about every woman has some kind of thirst trap on her page. You need only scroll towards where she's posting near summer and spring break. It's ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/25 01:24 AM
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No. They do. It's that this power is mainly exploitative. And most of them don't do that or go that far with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/25 01:15 AM
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If becoming invisible is a relief for many women, then the context of them experiecing misogyny in a misogynistic society matters to define their invisibleness as positive rather than negative. I view invisibility in varying degrees and contexts. For example, women are experiencing abuse, and nobody cares. Their humanity is not perceived and, therefore, invisible. So the fact that humans are social creatures is less relevant It will ALWAYS be relevant. People don't exist in this world in a vacuu…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 01:46 AM
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Yes. This is my point. Other contexts can apply, but for most of them being dismissed leads to problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 12:30 AM
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You're just filled with late 90s callbacks aren't you :D
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 12:25 AM
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You don’t show kindness to get laid and, believe it or not, there’s more to kindness than throwing a pity fuck to a sad boy. Shit, you don't say? Kindness isn't currency for sex? Glad someone said it. I like how we're just glossing over anyone that could be nice and shooting their shot and relegating them to a sad boy who wants a pity fuck. Listen that's stupid, shallow, and problematic. I don't understand this forever online level of spite that can take the mere concept of vulnerability and twi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 12:20 AM
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Carmen Sandiago is that you?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 10:01 PM
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Look I get that people can be disappointing. I'm just not nihilistic enough to blanketly write them off as a nuisance. Like you're not wrong. But the world is far too varied for you to be right.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 08:57 PM
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And again. Has there been danger? Yes. Is it high? Debatable. More leaning towards no since most people aren't sociopaths. There's caution and then there's paranoia. Living life with the expectation that any man is coming to assault you is unrealistic. Though I can admit that it'll keep you safe.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 08:37 PM
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Could of just written 'women like money and corporations will take advantage of that.'
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 08:29 PM
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Not so much a disagreement as a correction. You ARE arguing as to what I'm saying, and I'm kinda just letting you know that I have no real wish to, and this is what I meant.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 08:22 PM
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Oh, the invisibility has positives. I don't deny that. I'm arguing to what extent. And that its detriment has many contexts. I guess just to take you for an example. Say you needed some help and your best shot was some random stranger helping you. (Like say you're on a road trip, your car broke down, and you got no cell service) Being invisible would suck. Because then you'd be walking 10 miles to a gas station to get some help and cell service. I can admit that the situation can end up with you…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 08:20 PM
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Male validation is meaningless as they openly admit they’ll do it just for sex. Nah. It's more like male desire doesn't bring much inherent social value. Validation can open a whole lot of doors if the right guy thinks you are good enough and pretty enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 08:13 PM
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every stupid thing a grifter posts and to ask men to stop spreading rage bait. If it's something that remains consistent within the lives of most men. Not really stupid is it? Of course, you're more than welcome to request empirical evidence. It's just that most of us don't really need it when our lives are a direct example. Shit. Quite literally, this morning, a guy in a McLaren and a suit called a woman a stupid bitch because he was driving too fast and almost clipped her. She looked like she …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 08:10 PM
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Not raising an argument. It's literally what's happening. I'm making a statement. Which I guess you are free to start arguing with.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 08:00 PM
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And money. Opportunity. Networking. Connections. Marriage. Family. Connection. Friendships. Relationships. Yeah, besides that and a whole lot more, they only offer annoyance and danger.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 07:57 PM
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Depends on which privilege we're talking about. Pretty privilege? Yeah, they agree. Male privilege? Far too many of them are in poverty, misery, and facing disenfranchisement to even bother engaging with the subject.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 07:56 PM
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Nah, they demonstrably are. Hence why so many people engage in trying to enhance their beauty. If it was such a detriment. People would just not care about skincare or anything beyond basic hygiene. Styling and fashion would've been relegated to a niche interest instead of the multi-billion industry that it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 07:53 PM
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Ya know. As much as I want to argue and bring up counter-examples. Kinda glad you found peace, identity, and catharsis in your life. Happy for you stranger.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 07:50 PM
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I don't think the point was to downplay the negatives. But rather to show that the benefits are kinda blatantly exploitive.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 07:40 PM
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Yes. We get that. But imagine you became so unappealing that you never went on a date. Have people avoid you. Treat you like you weren't even much of an entity much less a person. There are levels to this. And it can always get worse. I understand you're probably in that sweet spot of having just the right amount of attention that you want. I just disagree with the notion that no attention is good when it's demonstrably not.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 07:35 PM
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No. Communication error. Using words differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 07:31 PM
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Not really. It's just most women aren't the evil twirling mustache that some men make them out to be. By all accounts, they could be exploiting these undesirables. They just don't because they don't want to; at a certain point, it's more work than reward, and some just don't know how. It's only double edged because most people have morals and are disgusted by the behavior of exploitation. Otherwise, they'd probably be reaping the rewards.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 07:29 PM
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Yes, let's bow down to the corporate overlords. It's worked out great. They get to tell you how good you are at your job.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 07:25 PM
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He can. But unless you actually are. You can have the assurance of hundreds of men that you're, in fact, very pretty.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 07:22 PM
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I think that at this point most women would rather be rewarded dur to their education, hard work and their personality than due to their sexuality. All of Instagram enters the chat but I don’t think that women prefer that we still live in a world where the latter situation is relevant. They would if they're at the top of the totem pole. Most people don't want the effects of being poor. That it denies them many avenues of life. Most people would agree...unless you're at the top of the pyramid.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 07:21 PM
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She doesn't meet the threshold of what he would consider invisible. He means it in the stricter sense of the word. We're some men have never held a girl's hand or kissed a girl, or haven't had a social conversation with women outside their family.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 07:18 PM
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Nah. It's that when men mean invisible, they mean they haven't kissed a girl, gone on a date, had sex, or really had any meaningful interactions with women. When she uses invisible is that she's comparing her level of attention to other women. It's a communication error really.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 07:16 PM
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So the concept of attractive men getting away with shit just doesn't exist. Great. Glad we're sweeping that one under the rug.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 07:12 PM
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Fair. It's just that it flies in the face of everything that most of the Western world has been teaching. It kinda says screw kindness, empathy, and giving people a chance. Just get the hot one and focus on what you want. The others are of no concern. Which is fine, but it has consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 07:07 PM
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I don't think he's denying the harassment. He's just pointing to the blatant benefits that are at work that people like to downplay.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 07:02 PM
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File under: Blinding Glimpse of the Obvious. I'm stealing this; it's mine now; you can't have it back.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 06:57 PM
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Being invisible is not overwhelmingly positive. It's uniquely positive. Human beings are social creatures, and any measure of decreased attention or blatantly unappealingness is mostly negative.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 06:53 PM
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First of all, female sexuality is only a “power” when it comes to cultivating the attention of hyper-thirsty men who can’t act without their penises leading the way. No. It affects everyone. Other women are affected by this. Not to the extent of men, but it's notable. Anyway, even if you discount the Gooners. A lot of people are still affected by it. It's not just used one way. So their power is more akin to Aquaman if he were only able to summon goldfish and guppies. No. It affects everyone. In…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 06:49 PM
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Because women can easily exploit men with it. It points to their agency. The only thing I see hindering it from having "power" being its official label is that most versions of power are correlated to dominance. Something that's not really attributed to women. Something a lot of women (at least online) seem to be morally objectionable to. But yeah it fits the power definition in a lot of ways. Why isn't it called the weakness of men? Because men wanting women is natural. Also, when you discount …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 06:39 PM
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Ok. This might be enough Reddit for today.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 06:07 PM
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The using is mutual Okay, I can agree. 1) Women are the submissive, passive sex, and enjoy being treated like warm fuck meat. Their sexual mores are very reactive and mostly dictated by social molding. A fact reflected in how nearly every woman that goes to college decides she’s bisexual for a year or two. Okay. For one. His comparison doesn't work for many reasons. Why you made this one up is beyond me. Second. Is there a dark submissive side to female sexuality? Yeah. Do they enjoy that shit? …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 06:04 PM
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Nah. Most domestic violence abusers were traumatized by children. Most pedophiles were sexually abused as children. You're looking at demographics by traits; we should look at demographics by environment and experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 04:06 AM
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I still think that it's a faulty stereotype that pretty and outgoing people have worse morals than shy and introverted ones. These things don't necessarily have any direct connotation. There is some evidence and articles. Not enough to make a strong case. But enough for correlation. Why would you think that men who do date women hate and abuse them in the first place? Abusers are a minority of all men, attractive or not, successful or not. I don't. I'm pointing out that the most likely culprit h…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 03:02 AM
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You have provided no quantifiable data that "women like assholes." None. See. Now you're arguing. At best, you could posit that "there are a large number of asshole men on the internet claiming that being a dick to women is a sure recipe for drowning in pussy" and "the women I see on the internet posting about dating all seem incredibly shallow, judgemental, and callous." Nah. I can do better than that. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/232388059_Mate-selection_and_the_Dark_Triad_Facilita…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 02:46 AM
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Assuming that handsome and extroverted guys are bad, and shy and less pretty guys are good is also the just world fallacy. Because it “evens it out”. No. That's the wrong use of the fallacy. Again what you're pointing out is that it's stereotypical and not definitive. This is a solid argument, but it starts faltering when you add context and think about the implications. You’re arguing that the rates will be different for two groups, because the first group has easier time dating, but the OP see…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 11:28 PM
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Confirmation bias is a thing, but that's a two-way street when arguing about it. If people consistently have similar dating experiences across demographics, platforms, and decades; the burden of proof isn't on them to show a tendency in selective information. It's on you to explain the consistency without hand-waving it away as cherry-picking. Essentially. What variables are we missing? What are we ignoring or not accounting for in basing our ideas? That's on you to point out before saying it's …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 10:34 PM
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She literally used the example of dating an incel-adjacent dude in her post. Exceptions don't make the rule. Do you not conceed the point that people who feel themselves to be chronically disempowered often exert power over others when they are finally given the opportunity? That's a heavy implication. It would mean that black people, poor people, women, and anyone who was ever oppressed could never be trusted to actually change things for the better. It makes sense. Though, ultimately, I don't …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 09:45 PM
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I’m merely pushing back on this idea that Chads or handsome men are all automatically assholes or that man with few options will be so grateful that he’ll treat a woman really well. It's a stereotype. It's not definitive. But it is more likely that Chad has a higher chance/opportunity to abuse just for the simple fact that he'll be around far more women and for far longer than his unattractive counterpart. Answer me honestly -do you want to be in a marriage where you feel humility about your spo…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 12:55 PM
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Actually. It's more that he's saying that women have preconceived notions and heavily stereotype men based on looks. And that those stereotypes lead them into thinking that anyone they deem unattractive is likely to abuse them. Which is basically saying that women are human. He also stereotypes Chad as a likely abuser. Which isn't an unfounded take, but it isn't something anyone can definitely say.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 07:00 AM
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I think you make a very astute point. But I would like to counter. If every man who wasn't dating his dream girl turned into a ball of resentment. The world would honestly be worse than it is. Your point assumes to little of men and too much of resentment. As if it can't be combated. Or as if humility and gratitude don't exist. For one. These men are aware that they could've died alone like so many others before them. To assume they can't grow and find love in a partner that picked them, is miss…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 06:23 AM
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Their behavior isn't really indicative of abuse. More of private shame and depression. The selfish and entitled bit is mostly a preconceived notion. That doesn't really make much sense. Why would he be entitled if he thinks of himself as a loser? Why would he be selfish when he longs to share his life with someone? The questions kinda start pilling on when you look at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 06:06 AM
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Elaborate?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 06:01 AM
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Their capability doesn't equate to likelihood.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 06:00 AM
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‘nice guys’ are more likely to be abusers, I think, because they come at dating from a place of both desperation and entitlement. There's some truth there but it doesn't quite stand up to scrutiny. The assumption that desperation leads to abuse ignores that most abuse stems not from desperation, but from control. High-status, secure, or narcissistic people often abuse because they can, not because they are starved for affection. Essentially, Trump is more likely to be an abuser than Steven King.…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 05:59 AM
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It's a somewhat reductive take. But there is some truth in it. It needs to be more nuanced and less stereotypical.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 05:44 AM
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It's not that it automatically makes him not abusive or incapable of cheating. He's just less likely to. All those traits you listed are mostly negative for men. Negative traits are often treated poorly. People who are treated poorly tend to avoid situations where that treatment can continue. Being abusive or a cheater tends to bring negative consequences and long-lasting poor treatment. Obviously, it's more nuanced than that. He very well could be abusive. But compared to other types of men, he…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 05:41 AM
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It's not a mischaracterization. He's pointing out a fallacy. How do incels abuse women when they don't even have much experience, time, or opportunity to encounter them? At best an incel can spew hatred online. But the real abuse that women report and the ones most people are concerned with are the ones in real life. Hence her point doesn't make much sense since incels aren't even in these women's lives to conduct any sort of abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 05:31 AM
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I would disagree in saying it's a leap in logic. Abundance of something often leads to most people not valuing it. While scarcity is the exact opposite. This logic applies across many areas and fields and I don't quite see how it wouldn't apply here. When you're rich, 10$ is nothing to you; if you're poor, 10$ could mean a lot. In developed countries, clean water is taken for granted; in poor countries, it's life or death. A stay at home parent can be underappreciated by their child; a parent th…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 05:24 AM
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That's not the just world fallacy. A just world fallacy would be that all the good-looking men are good and all the bad-looking men are bad. You've switched it. What you're describing is a mean-spirited presumption that is highly biased. In other words, a stereotype. Which can be commonly true, but not definitive. That being said your argument is a bit blindsided in its implications. It implies that both of these men have a 50/50 shot of being the perpetrator. They don't. Good-looking men have f…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 05:10 AM
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The statement you're replying to is a real-world occurrence that's been documented, debated, discussed, and argued so much that this sub and others like it have been born. Your example is a random hypothetical that doesn't really have much to do with the topic at hand and reads more like a gotcha than an actual counterargument.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 04:57 AM
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So you've missed the point. Excellent. Anyway, we're beyond the bitching & moaning stages. Just go ahead and throw that part of your dismissal out the window. It hinders the discussion and serves no purpose. Here, let me reframe this again since I either miscommunicated or you're just unable to understand. What you're describing is a Sisyphean effort at best or delusion at worst. That by some magical force working hard on an uneven playing field will yield satisfying results. You describe adapta…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 02:37 AM
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When you speak of adaptability. There's usually an implication of leveling the playing field. Not really how that goes. If anything the best move to do is to find a way to cheat your way through.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 12:50 AM
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This implies that the game was changing fairly with the possibility for anyone to adapt to it. Honestly, it's the repercussions and consequences that I'm curious about. It's pretty popularly theorized that Roe V Wade got overturned not because anyone really believed in one side of the argument or the other. Men, in general, just started caring less about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 08:05 PM
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I think what's being implied is that the game has changed. What was seen as a sharp comedian is now a clown to laugh at. Obviously and obligatory, not all cases. But more than enough to say that the culture has shifted. We can't really use what we used to do anymore and we may have to accept that. You can't mail a sonnet and expect success. The jukebox outside the window is no longer charming, it is now cringe and an annoyance to the neighbors. Spitting game is just next on the chopping block, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 01:11 AM
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Fuck that guy
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 12:44 AM
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Honestly, valid RP take.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 12:28 AM
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Eh, you don't know if he is. But that's beside the point. He's just an easily recognizable example. Anyway, there are other examples if it's that much of an issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 12:15 AM
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Fair. Honestly, the whole Bonnie Blue fiasco is pretty much this exact example in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 05:48 PM
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Fair. But the point is that they would most likely leave it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 05:16 PM
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Fair. But did he come with kids of his own? Was he hot? Did he have a stable income? He could be a good man and they could've been wonderful for each other. Question is, is he what is traditionally considered HVM.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 10:48 AM
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Because they have that option
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 03:35 AM
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I guess. I just doubted that, at that age, they would settle. Why would they? Life is hard enough as is, so why add someone else's baggage out of companionship when you still have a good chunk of life left?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 02:42 AM
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Fair. I think I have to assume that as a society we're just overall safer and healthier than we were before. It's just that every time I've been hospitalized that place is always busy. Even at night. Like the upper floors were quiet but the bottom would pop off consistently.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 02:40 AM
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Fair. But I don't really see a guy in his 30s-40s picking a woman with kids. I honestly want to say that both parties choose to be alone. I know too many bitter and lonely old men who just don't budge for me to not express doubt that they would accept being a stepparent in their 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 02:36 AM
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How many men in their 30s-40s do you know? Even if it was something ridiculous like 40, I would still doubt it as good enough evidence to suggest that single moms are desirable to high-income men and that they don't have more options.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 02:17 AM
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So, I guess to engage with the topic, what are single moms looking for?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 02:12 AM
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Many doctors actually work under 40 hours a week and many nurses just work 3 shifts per week if averaged out. How? I'm genuinely asking. How? The logistics, treatment, appointments, and so many other factors would AT LEAST fill a 40-hour work week. How would a hospital even run when its staff is clocking in so few hours? Like maybe an independent clinic could pull it off, but even then I have doubts. At best, SOME or a spare few work less than 40. A good chunk probably ranges from 40-60. And som…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 02:06 AM
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I hope it ended amicably.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 01:52 AM
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Fair enough. I still have my doubts that the options that they have are all that great, or in your case, ones that they would want. To me, it makes sense that a single mom should want you and understand that most men don't want to be a stepfather when they themselves don't have children.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 01:51 AM
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The revenge fantasies need to stop, the magical thinking just reads as so childish and bitter. Oh, that's not what I'm saying. A single mom CAN find a single dad who can marry her happily. I'm just pointing out that they don't seem to WANT to. I get what you mean about men having some vapid revenge fantasy. That's entirely unrealistic. BUT they do have a point that what these women want most is not something that they can really get. Understand that in the times we live in that what you suggest:…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 01:48 AM
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what delusional your living where you think most people don't have a reason to get married when most successful people literally do . What delusion? That marriage has changed. We live in unprecedented times, and they're getting weirder every day. Idk if you noticed. But marriage as an institution has kinda been in shambles. 50% of them end in divorce (probably higher know). Men and women are far less loyal to each other and are more likely to cheat now than before. Dating, as a whole, sucks elep…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 01:43 AM
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who were rejected by single mom attractive nurses or other women in healthcare. To be fair. The bullshit behavior that can come out of hospital staff is the world's worst-kept secret at this point. I'm not surprised the single moms said no. Most of my EMS buddies are highly selective on picking up nurses and doctors. Shit, the hours alone are a deterrent. But if you're average looking and very rich, you're still below the hot single mom's league. I hazard guessing that we're not factoring all th…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 01:36 AM
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Single moms have plenty of options. I don't think that's what was being contested. Rather the type of options and how desirable they are is what we're questioning. "Good men" don't all live by your standards; some don't see single mothers as something used up. I don't think that. I'm pointing to the simple fact that those good men have the option of being with a good woman who has no kids. That's it. It's that having kids makes things stressful and complicated. So why would they invite that into…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 01:28 AM
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True, but this is making an assumption that single moms would be more likable. She very well could be very likable, but her having kids is a deterrent. And the single woman with no kids can be just as likable as her.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 01:22 AM
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I see with my own eyes that average single moms have plenty of options. I don't believe that's what is being contested. Rather if those options are ones she wants or that are good, is what is being pointed to. it’s ridiculously difficult to get into relationship with one of them. Why would you want a single mom?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 01:21 AM
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Agreed. My point is that not all honey is equal and that some come with strings attached. i.e. kids. At which point I question why would a good looking successful man want to marry a good-looking woman with kids when he has the option not to?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 01:18 AM
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Do they exist? Yes. But I thought the discussion was centered on single moms who want highly successful men? At which point, we need to ask why would a good-looking, moral, and successful man choose her? So if she's still shooting for materialism then chances are that character is going to fall short.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 01:16 AM
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How would it not be in their best interest, to get married exactly? Because Marriage doesn't really offer much to anyone who is more than decently well off. It's not a need for them. Maybe they have a goal and passion to be married. Outside of that, Marriage isn't exactly in their own best interest; it's more in the interest of the poorer party. I feel your presumption that every guy at every age who can is more likely then not to be some fuckboi only interested in banging women No. That is not …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 01:12 AM
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Fair and true. Now....why would they pick a single mom when they could pick a woman who is also kind, responsible, and interesting AND has no kids? Are we assuming that most single people want to be with people who already have kids? Or that they generally don't mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 01:06 AM
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I mean. What is the bar that you're measuring "successful". Like, can a good-looking small business owner who has a retirement plan already set up, marry a woman in her 30s with kids? Yeah, sure. But the problem is that there are plenty of good-looking women in their 30s and younger who have no kids and would want him, which begs the question as to what would make it likely that he would choose the single mom. Why would a single mom be desirable to a successful good-looking man that has options?…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 01:02 AM
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You're very welcome
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 12:52 AM
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I think that you maybe should go outside on occasion. Funny. I'm quite literally at the park. Touching grass no less. Also, your idea of “a good man” might be warped. Fair enough. So what is a good man? Since apparently I got the wrong definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 12:52 AM
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At about the same time that I realized that people are nuanced and that making generalizations with bad faith statements and petty insults amount to not much being said.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 12:50 AM
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Well musk is not really interested in raising a proper family is he ? That's my point. These women want (in some cases need) men with means. Those men with means aren't handcuffed to being good. You think musk and let's say a pilot working at American Airlines will act the same way ? They very well could. My point is that when your not really shackled into acting like a good person, it's up to you to decide if you want to. It's my opinion that often it's a 70/30 that they do whatever is in their…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 12:47 AM
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Yes. Musk sucks. That kinda doesn't address the point. If anything it highlights it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 12:44 AM
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I don't think that the claim is that these women lack any men in their lives. I want to say the claim is that they lack good men, that they desire, to want them. If it's not too imposing. What happened to your single mom friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 12:42 AM
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Correct if a women is hot then nothing else about her will matter she will always have a lot of options at any age. Incorrect. This assumes that all hot women are the same. Get treated the same. And that they end up with the same result. Beyond the halo effect. The lives of individuals (regardless of how hot they are) vary greatly. Marinley Monroe is a good example. Orphaned. Sexually abused. Struggled with addiction. And her death is dubious enough for people to suspect suicide. The wall only a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 12:39 AM
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Honestly, that's 1 issue. There are more than just that one.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 12:34 AM
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Many words, you have. Not much substance beyond a petty insult, you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 12:33 AM
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It's not that. It's that the real truth is that a single mom is not really a desired first choice for just about anybody. More often than not, concessions must be made. The likelihood of a woman getting to choose the really good or best man when she, herself, is not ideal is just an unrealistic take. It's not moving the goal post, it's making a logical deduction.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 12:31 AM
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How do you think Musk has so many kids? What we often fail to account for is that the HVM is under no obligation to marry her or treat her as an equal. She's an expense account at that point. This is something that those women must contend with. That by narrowing their selection so materialistically, they've opened up the field to men who have no obligation to be good and are in a position where there's damn near nothing anyone can do to force them to be good. Those men have kids? Yes....so what…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 12:28 AM
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Sure you can take time to reflect. But it doesn't really address the ambiguity and effect of the situation I've outlined. I guess to put you in the scenario. You're trying to be perceptive over the scenario, and he is not. He's not actively being reflective even though he wants to engage with you, he's just being sociable and charming. At which point is it objectifying? Or is it objectifying if you feel it is?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 07:08 PM
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Unwanted sexual attention is problematic for most women. We got that. The question is how you've come to paint this as the biggest embodiment of the female experience. There's more to life than ugly men who you don't want to talk to. And I don't much see the reason to paint an entire gender as an irritation instead of people. Since you are so dead set on taking this personally Hardly. I don't know you stranger. Hence why I'm asking questions. For all I know you could be a bot. Do you feel empath…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 07:17 PM
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Fair, but again, I thought OP made his post to talk about the nuances. He could care, be respectful, and be paying attention, but she could still feel objectified by a stranger. At which point, is it or is it not? Or he is objectifying her, but she's responding positively to it. At which point, how much does it matter? Like, simple matters like catcalling and she calls that guy an asshole, we got it. I don't really think anyone disagrees, and even if they do, that's a useless rabbit hole that is…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 06:03 PM
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That's.... that's....his point? You've essentially just paraphrased him. Like.... where's the disagreement, if any exists at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 05:34 PM
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confirms the first thing I wrote: “The problem isn’t what men want, the problem is how they project their desires onto others. Not limited to sex.” ....No? I'm not projecting desire of any kind (sexual or otherwise). Just rather slightly disturbed at the level of apathy. And if me being disturbed is the problem. Then I would ask that you look back at your writing and try to understand that most people (men or women) would look at it as either unhinged or deeply bitter. Are you truly concerned ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 05:27 PM
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You can argue with and hate the fact that antisocial, weak presenting , scared presenting , or boring presenting , or autistic presenting behaviors should be attractive all you want Not what I'm arguing. It will not change how they are perceived by those who decide your attractiveness , or rather or not other humans want to engage with you. That's the thing. We have changed. Preferences have changed throughout history. Again. There are limits. But I question how far and how much we can take it. …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 05:03 PM
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And demonstrably throughout history. It does. Or are we just gonna ignore that preferences have changed? I'm not discounting constants. Rather asking how many variables can be changed since we HAVE done so before.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 04:56 PM
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I do understand the difference between aggressive and unwanted. Rather that "A man with an unrequited crush can be a relentless pain in the ass, convinced he’s “in love” with someone who doesn’t care if he lives or dies." Is rather stark, misanthropic, and cynical. It strips any sentiment and dignity that interaction might have into an unwanted and irritating experience. Obviously, you have more and worse examples of it littered just about everywhere in your writing. Particularly, “There is zero…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 04:52 PM
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Nah, again. This idea has leeway. And again, I say explicitly, obviously, there are limitations. Preferences HAVE changed over the course of human history despite there being constants, we do have variables. I'm questioning how many variables we can change.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 04:32 PM
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I'm talking about catcalling scenario. Fair. But I thought the point of the OP was to talk about this in a far more nuanced approach and not just scenarios that are blatant examples of objectification. And I guess more to my earlier point. At one point, he wasn't your partner or knew anything about you, and he likely still looked at you the same way. Would we call this objectifying?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 04:29 PM
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You miss his point. He's not ignoring history or the female experience. If anything, in part, he's basically agreeing with you. That these things are true and continue to happen. He's pointing out that this view has encompassed the entire discussion and subject. That it hasn't left room for all the varying experiences that apply when men find women attractive. All he's saying there's more to men than the fact that they have objectified women and that while some behavior can be seen as objectifyi…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 04:21 PM
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Ya know. I understand that there IS a problem. But I always had doubts that it all just boiled down to a lot of men being walking hard-ons. Such simple explanations have rarely been the truth. I always imagined it's far more complex.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 04:11 PM
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Do you understand the irony of your accusation? I think you missed my point. My point isn't "how dare a woman dehumanize men when those same men objectify her." It's that your whole rant signifies a worldview that's largely misanthropic and frankly full of spite for a world that's been turned into an exaggerated caricature. You have some mustache-twirling villainy in your writing. And depending on how much you believe it or you're just venting or trying to go deeper in the utter disgust women ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 04:07 PM
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Well....how many people are ACTUALLY like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 03:55 PM
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Then I question as to where you're looking. People (not specifically men or women) are demonstrably shallow in their preferences to the point it's quantifiable to say who's attractive or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 03:52 PM
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When a guy on the street stares at you (*stare, not look) without caring if you are uncomfortable or not, that's objectification. To him you are a pretty object without a personality That's a bit presumptuous, no? Not to mention your partner has probably looked at you similarly long before he knew a single thing about you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 03:49 PM
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Honestly this low key feels like a bot.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 03:47 PM
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Miss....are you okay? Like this level of apathy and contempt can't be healthy. Your dehumanization towards ugly people is honestly palpable. To the point I would question how morally reprehensible are you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 03:47 PM
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How did you come to this conclusion?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 03:39 PM
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So either get busy changing , or get busy accepting your limitations and learning to live with them. Ya know. I used to believe in this ultimatum, but honestly, it just doesn't hold up to scrutiny or history. We have actively changed and chosen what we have deemed as attractive. Every era of style has been pretty distinct from one another. Don't get me wrong, we've had some shit be consistent. Tall, muscular, smart, rich people have always been the cream of the crop. But we have evolved and chan…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 03:34 PM
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That's not what it's pointing to. Rather, morality doesn't have much to do with attraction. Rather, criminality doesn't do as much as we think it would in stopping someone from being attractive to someone else. It doesn't suggest that being a criminal is the biggest factor in being attractive. Rather that attraction will still happen regardless. This then boils it down that people aren't being honest about really wanting a good person as a partner since they actively choose someone who is not. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 03:06 PM
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Nah, rather it makes sense for it to be moral. Don't get me wrong, it isn't. I have no argument against that. But it can be reasoned and believed that it is. Also, more to the point, it's been championed as it being so.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 02:59 PM
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But they are useless. What is the benefit/reason to knowing them when it comes to real day to day interaction? Why would you apply the information that way? Is that the only way you can find information useful? In the just right this second? What does it actually matter, even if it were true? It allows you to plan ahead and set reasonable expectations. Raise awareness to a problem that an individual can't fix, but as a group we find some kind of answer. Does it change the makeup of a party I go …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 09:28 PM
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I don’t live my life by those sort of, let’s be honest, useless statistics. Eh, you have no obligation to adhere to anything. But to call them useless is just hubris on your part. because those 70% of women who “aren’t” could easily be swayed under the right circumstances. Do tell, how? which I’ve found to be wholly reasonable in the vast majority of cases with women I’ve dated. Fair enough statement, Martian. However, it doesn't exactly explain why just about everyone who's single is dissatisfi…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 02:17 PM
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You’re little alien cope is cute, but ultimately stupid Eh, it's just throwing humor and hyperbole at the most extreme situations. Question is. How many women are willing to entertain the notion of dating the men around them? Statistics say that only some odd 30% of single women are even looking, and if some odd 60% of men are single....well, the math isn't all that great. But hey something is better than nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 01:05 PM
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Eh, all propaganda is usually rooted in some truth. Every pill has some kernel of sincerity.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 12:46 PM
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though they often get scolded for being too easy or something I'm surprised this is ever the case. Women approaching is so rare that most people would be mystified.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 12:44 PM
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If a guy wants something with you, he'll definitely approach. Social anxiety enters the chat. If he doesn't, I'd 100% assume he doesn't want me that much, and I'm not going to throw myself at him. I hope you're aware of the circles you're spinning.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 12:41 PM
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Listen here, Martian. We don't want any of your weird blue space women. See, here on Earth. We like our women the way they are. Conditioned by centuries of mating rituals that have almost always involved men offering women gifts. Be it their very lives, if you can believe it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 12:38 PM
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Oh, I just like Reddit. Not so much to specifically do with you. Your like the 4rth or 5th person I'm talking to right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 08:13 PM
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This I agree with, but does it mean we don't need them? I'm fine with having them as long as the how and what they work towards to is discussed and negotiated. You're good 😊 I love you, kind stranger. ALL the karma for you
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 07:53 PM
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Making salty posts on the internet is damn near ubiquitous across every demographic. Unless you don't use the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 07:51 PM
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Honestly, it's a problem for all movements that needs to be discussed. I'd like to live to see the day when we don't need them because the shits over. Sorry if it's confusing. I'm drinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 06:59 PM
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Fair
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 06:40 PM
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Not a bad idea. Yet we need something to agree on assurances; otherwise, you get disparities.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 06:20 PM
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Fair
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 05:52 PM
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That most don't what? Expect me to sign on? No. That others don't sign on to movements at their own expense without reciprocation. You seem to be conflating the entire left wing of American politics (which is largely center-right in the rest of the world) with feminism. There is certainly overlap but they are not synonymous. I would say large overlaps; otherwise, allyship just wouldn't be tenable. As to the left wing. It varies far too much and has far too many schools of thought to call it cent…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 05:52 PM
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That's kinda the issue in contention. There seems to be (maybe at a surface glance) a lot of women who could not be bothered to care.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 05:05 PM
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Ah got you. Anyway, this list: Independence, respect in the workplace, no gender role expectations, education, reproductive freedom. How far away are we from achieving it if we haven't done so already? I understand abortion and sexual education is under fire depending on the state, but in terms of sexual health are we not where we want to be? Do we not have fewer pregnancy deaths and are steadily getting better? Do we not have better birth control than ever to the point where there really isn't …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 04:35 PM
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K
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 04:14 PM
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Could you edit and elaborate? I'm confused as to what you're saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 04:14 PM
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Not putting words in your mouth, just pointing out what you may not know that you're inconsequentially inferring. That your statement was illogical. But yes, women get treated like shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 03:36 PM
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No. Say the plight of women in India. They face gang rapes, genital mutilation, and some marriages are still being arranged before they turn 18, and a host of other things. The goal would be to outlaw these things if they haven't already (specifically referring to child-arranged marriages here), change social norms to make them less prevalent, and socially and legally punish these actions more frequently than they already do. We have some clear benchmarks for those.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 03:32 PM
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Read further down. Currently going off of one example.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 03:26 PM
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I do. I didn't make this statement out of hypocrisy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 03:07 PM
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So if education isn't the problem and men are still out earning women and still making up the majority of top positions what's your actual argument? Just because education can't guarantee you wealth to the point of financial freedom doesn't mean it shouldn't be advocated and strived for. Countries with free higher education have the same split of slightly more women graduating from uni. What's your argument? The original point is that men have lower college acceptance rates. Probably bigger drop…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 02:13 PM
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Why are men still out earning women then? For a whole host of reasons. Education is the least among them. Honestly, this is probably where the whole college is a scam came from. People didn't see an equal return on their investment in higher education. Why are men still overly represented in STEM and top level positions? A whole host of reasons, but from a practical standpoint. STEM is hard to get into in general and other degrees will get you paid pretty decently that you could go for. What do …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 02:02 PM
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And men could probably be helping them. And then in turn they help men. Seems like a good way to just get more help across the board, which is what seems to be needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 01:50 PM
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Adults are expected to do what's right Yeah......that tracks.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 01:49 PM
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You're inferring a rate to equate a statement that doesn't make sense. And I explained to you how and why. Here let me give you one more. Women can be attributed to a higher infant mortality rate than men. Now is it because women, in general, are unfit parents, or is it because they're around children more often?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 01:48 PM
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Adults are expected to do what's right without being told or rewarded.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 01:41 PM
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Nobody is really doing all that fine. Across the board, we could all use some help.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 01:41 PM
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That statistic is rather misleading. There are more male surgeons so chances are higher for them to be in the room when mistakes are made. Across the board women and men are the same in terms of intelligence. This is like saying there are bigger workplace death rates in America than in England for the sheer fact that there are far more amounts of dangerous work in the U.S.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 01:40 PM
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So when IS achievable equality made? Where's the benchmark? And what happens to the movement after?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 01:33 PM
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Off the top of my head? Access to higher-level education. The tables are pretty flipped and men are abysmal from elementary grades to college acceptance rates. I would say that efforts should probably now be more focused on getting them easier access to education.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 01:31 PM
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In the case we're talking about (women), what sort of reward are you thinking about? Probably support and advocate for their issues on the contingent that they support women's issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 01:28 PM
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This idea stems from a just world fallacy that I could take all day and I couldn't give you every single way this statement is contradicted by modern-day examples, not to mention historical ones. Just for one. Slavery still exists in the modern world. Not even going to bother pointing out historically how long we've had vs not having it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 01:26 PM
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More like it attempted and it just failed.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 01:17 PM
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It wouldn't end. It would never reach a state where it would declare that achievable equality has been made. It would eventually just keep asking for more, to keep asking for more.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 01:11 PM
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Eh, had to try.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 01:09 PM
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This statement is kinda wild honestly. It almost implies that any wrongdoing should then be applied to the guilty party. Tell me, would it make sense to bring back slavery? Nazi ghettos? Concentration camps? Nukes? Human experimentations?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 01:08 PM
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I'm not saying they are. Rather, the clear end state of feminism is so vague and so undefined that it could be turned into a movement that never ends.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 12:54 PM
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It's rather specific, no? If you married a man just for his money, this probably applies to you. If you cheated on your husband and used a divorce to ensure you got part of his assets, this probably applies to you. If your husband/boyfriend/friend expresses a moment of vulnerability to you and you can't be bothered to be supportive, this probably applies to you. So on and so forth to just about any example of women showing, stating, or proving that they don't particularly care all that much for …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 12:52 PM
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And yeah I literally said I'm not American and you respond by going on about Trump, nice one. I assumed you must have heard of him. He's rather popular to talk about in...well, just anywhere. Reddit, Twitter, IRL, take your pick. None of that changes the fact that currently men have more rights and are continuing to try to take away women's rights because they somehow feel threatened What's going on over there?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 08:06 AM
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Then most people have no values. If you only stand for something because it benefits you, it’s not a value, it’s a personal interest. Disagree with you here even though when all the cards are on the table, I probably have similar values to you. People can have values, but not at the sole cost of their own personal interest. Your situation is honestly a good example of that. You believe in helping people, but you don't do it at the cost of signing up with a group that is against you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 07:54 AM
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When you've taken a level stance at the situation and made the best decision to the given situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 07:51 AM
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Eh, it is what it is. Orphan gang rise up.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 07:39 AM
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instead, they should be dictated by what’s fair and the right thing. Otherwise, you have no values. Reciprocated just and fair treatment across the board IS the fair and right thing to do. Incentive my ass. Funny because incentives is what gets most people to move their ass and actually do something.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 07:37 AM
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is not contingent on getting their sign-on for a cause I care about. But do you see why it's reasonable and expected that most don't? Through any lens. Feminists are on the progressive side of numerous issues that have nothing to do with feminism. If this were true there wouldn't be so much infighting among leftists, progressives, and Democrats. By all accounts, Bernie would've had such a better shot at the presidency that I'm compelled to say he probably would've won the election. TERFs wouldn'…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 07:34 AM
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So you think women should just accept less rights because you're worried they'll want more just for being treated equally? No. Once said rights are acquired, does it stop there? sure men keep coming out on top. There's not many people coming out on top. The homelessness, suicides, education rates, death rates, and so many other things would beg to differ that men are on top. men up top will try and take them away again like theyre doing now. Honest, truth? Most of them would hardly care. The hon…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 07:24 AM
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I get that's what you're saying. I'm asking for elaboration and clarification on the "other reasons".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 07:04 AM
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Empathy. I'm not trans, I'm not going to ever marry a man, I'm not Ukrainian, I'm not black, yet I can support all those causes despite the fact that I don't benefit from them. Fair. But the question needs to be asked if they would care for you? Would a trans person care about male suicide even though men make most of the suicide, or are they more concerned with their own suicide rate? Are gay men more in solidarity with their straight counterparts? Would Ukraine send aid to the U.S. in the even…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 07:03 AM
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It's not so much just those specific things. Rather, the entirety of the left really didn't have anything for men, and its regular voting base had no faith in them despite sharing their values. Incels are varied across class, education, race, and ethnicity. They pretty much hit all over the board. The GOP had its biggest uptick in votes across gender, ethnicity, and race that it has seen in years, with a lot of men leading the front. Where exactly do you think it failed to garner votes?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 06:39 AM
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Question if I may. Why does that mean you have to be a feminist? Can you not care for them and their lives without tying yourself to a political movement? Say we get abortion back the way it was. What's next? When does the goal get accomplished? Where is the end state in all of this?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 06:26 AM
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Would you elaborate on that?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 06:22 AM
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That's fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 06:22 AM
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Say Row v Wade got reinstated, and at every legal and political level, we ensured that all rights were equal between the sexes. Would it stop there? Would they ask for more? If so, what else? Because of the way the movement has expressed its thoughts on men, it really begs the question if they would do the same if the situation was flipped? Would it be amendable to say that one can support women's rights without the feminist movement? Would you be able to?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 06:16 AM
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Is it selfishness or is it practicality? Why would I expect women to go out of their way for me, and in turn I them? Empathy? Where has that been really expressed consistently in the modern feminist movement? Also, their message was kinda clear on the matter. That women don't owe men. They kinda set the stage that we should all fend for ourselves. It's harsh, but fair. But to a more specific point. They really can't expect something from nothing. Just about nothing is done that way. You can call…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 06:06 AM
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I like where you're headed, but if I may attempt to make the conversation more specific. What do you say to all the guys who are often just looked at with negligence? Those who will be judged harshly if they fail to provide for a second? I don't really disagree with you. But what do you say to the men, because there's plenty of them, who are born and raised in a home where women caring for them is a mythical legend. And then grow up in a world that lets it really know how indifferent it is to th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 05:58 AM
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Fair. Context matters in all cases
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 05:49 AM
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Here let me amend that since it appears I miscommunicated. Women who dare ask more from men they seem to blatantly and openly state to not care about or infer that they are a cause of danger to them when most men kinda just go about their day.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 05:48 AM
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I'd call it depression before jumping to insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 05:45 AM
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I never really got this. Could you explain this to me? Why does supporting an idea that is beneficial to me mean I'm grifting? It never really made a lot of sense to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 05:44 AM
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Yes, but it should probably be reciprocated, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 05:40 AM
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It's more. Why do I care about a political movement that is so utterly indifferent towards me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 05:39 AM
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a LOT of guys who actually matter That's probably why right there. Because they realize that a good portion of women. To possibly include moms, aunts, sisters, cousins, girlfriends, and wives who don't fully care for them as much as they do them. It's obviously more nuanced than that but for the sake of brevity, it boils down to this: The blatant hypocrisy has men so bewildered at the fucking audacity of a lot of women who would dare ask for more when the women in their lives just barely care ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 05:38 AM
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Welcome to Reddit
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 05:29 AM
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That's....umm....awfully specific. You doing okay?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 05:18 AM
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I can respect that. So....what if it's more than 5. We um, considering? Cuz I happen to know a guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 05:16 AM
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Say he counters it and says he can pull back the beef curtains and scuba dive for the pearl? And if the need arises, toys are available. Honestly, this is just hypothetical considering most men will probably not want you after you've rejected their dick, but say he was willing to try to make it work, would you bother?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 05:07 AM
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I guess the next question is. Should we encourage people to confront that discomfort? I'm not talking bout unsafe or extreme situations. Rather. I rejected him. He still wants to make a case for himself. I don't want to deal with it. Do we cut out that last part? Do we allow for the issue to be pushed?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 04:56 AM
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If it's not too imposing, would you go into further details? I'm pretty interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 04:52 AM
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Goddamn ChatGPT. You're supposed to sound more human not like C-3PO after R2 left him for Anikan.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 04:50 AM
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How is being stood up not a form of ghosting? Both are silent answers and lack of contact.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 04:47 AM
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conversation on a dating app doesn’t go anywhere and fades out (no plans have been made yet to meet) I kinda slightly disagree with this one. Too often I had friends try to set something up because everything was going well, only to have her flake from any confirmation. He then leaves and then she complains. There are definitely people who are on there for attention, and it's enough of them by now for me to look at this reason and go, let's see the conversation before we say it's not ghosting.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 04:32 AM
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Out of curiosity. Any way we could change this? Any theory on how to get people to invest in each other? Because I feel we should all currently look to our left and right to make sure everyone is okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 04:12 AM
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He probably couldn't build or lead the conversation somewhere more interesting since they don't have that many hobbies, and she could probably tell he didn't like her all that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 04:02 AM
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Fair. But do we take OP's advice on situations that would merit a response? Do we push the issue and engage in a confrontation? Or is it not worth it even then?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 03:48 AM
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Depends. Are you allowed to carry?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 03:43 AM
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Let's assume your first definition unless OP states otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 03:39 AM
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Honestly. In some of those scenarios, some communication could probably be good.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 03:34 AM
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I think he's inferring that all ghosting in a casual general sense should be replaced with actual communication. I don't think he's talking about his own situation or extremes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 03:29 AM
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I'm not really in the habit of forcing anyone to do anything that really isn't necessary. Whether you like it or not. The silence IS an answer. The message got through to you, and you KNOW it means things are through. However. I do consider the repercussions. Ghosting has a certain callousness to it. That the person you're dealing with isn't worth the effort. That it's fine that you no longer consider them in any regard......that gives me pause if I'm being honest. It makes me question if that a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 03:26 AM
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I see what you're getting at, but I can't really agree with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 05:02 PM
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My boys aren't bad or weak or pussy whipped. This is just the reality for a lot of people. If I had a VERY dire need that I really think they could help me, I'd call and they'd show. That doesn't change that life happens and responsibilities take precedent.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 03:59 PM
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Yet, for some reason men get bent out of shape that women also look for the most attractive They don't. What they can't stand is that a man that most people would consider unsuitable to be in ANY kind of relationship got picked over someone whose worst trait was being boring. Bad ugly dudes don’t get as much action as bad pretty dudes. Good ugly dudes don’t get as much action as bad pretty dudes either Bad ugly dudes gets more action than good ugly dudes. The problem is. There's not that many go…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 03:47 PM
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but side effect is that there is none "all my friends are in relationship so I am all alone on Saturday night". Actually, this did happen to me. All my boys got married and we as a group kinda dissolved because they had to be with their wives. Another thing...having great friends can only help getting girls as well. This is presumptuous. Not to mention more than a fair share of groups dislike it when you try to play matchmaker for them. It's way easier to handle lack of romantic relationships if…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 03:31 PM
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This is a separate issue. Not really the one OP is talking about. Your observation IS accurate, but understand it still doesn't solve the problem most men are motivated in fixing. More than a fair share of men who have friends would still report themselves to be lonely, for the fact that a romantic partner is absent in their lives. By all means you can promote this. But loneliness would still be an issue for most. Friends are one thing. A wife, girlfriend, or lover is something else entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 03:08 PM
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One. I'm broke and I got people here to take care of. Two. When I'm not pissed off at it. I love my country.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 10:22 AM
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Depends honestly. You could go to jail. Have your life ruined. Or straight-up die. Doesn't happen too often. But often enough where you need to be wary of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 10:53 PM
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I hate that this enables prejudice. It's fine to be courteous and respectful. But if you gotta go an extra mile for someone that wouldn't do it for you. That shit just isn't fair. The line should be that we all treat each other well. Anything beyond that is personal. I understand, that life and death are a factor. My black ass has been pulled over and held up and almost shot too many times for my liking, but that doesn't justify the bullshit of doing extra shit to make other people comfortable j…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 06:42 PM
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Good point ☝️
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 12:06 AM
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Fair. But to be honest it was a satirical use of their own response, but I get why you did it. Off to the gym.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 12:06 AM
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That's.... that's...OP's point....
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 12:03 AM
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Maybe. But it doesn't change the fact that both of them were probably hurt for no discernable reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 11:47 PM
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Is it just what you think or what actually happens? Unless ALL of them were staged then yeah, it happens. Also it's what I did literally yesterday and what I'm about to do in an hour. Have you seen this become a repeated process? Like systematically repeated? No. Just reoccurring randomly. I've mainly ever seen men putting down women for their looks or if they're "validating" women, it's in the form of sexualization. It's a lived experience that I and many other women I've talked to have gone th…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 11:45 PM
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Not questioning the right if you can do something. Rather, questioning if you should. It's perfectly legal to say that poor people are lazy. Doesn't mean you should, especially given it's not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 11:34 PM
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I'm not defining the whole of female interactions or social circles. Rather pointing out a social phenomenon that happens often enough that I can give as an example. Women aren't a monolith. Just because it happened to one fat girl, doesn't completely guarantee it will happen to another. Anyway, it's not a personal take on social interactions. That specific interaction just so happens to be recorded often enough. It's a personal take following the logic that if there are men uplifting women, why…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 11:22 PM
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Because many males can't stop bringing it up. She responded to a question asked openly on this specific sub. OP is not talking about women's opinion on dick size. Rather that they take no consideration to the body shaming they do. It's not asking about dick size, rather why don't women recognize the body shaming for what it is. Had this newest instance been ignored because it's fecking tedious to have its ilk asked over and over and over again, there'd be whining and moaning that male's question…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 11:16 PM
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Men didn’t particularly have a problem with other men profiting off women’s insecurities Low key kinda did considering we pay for so much shit for our wives, girlfriends, and even female friends. What can I say. Capitalism is fucked. but now that it’s individual women expressing their preferences it’s an issue? This isn't expressing preferences. It's spitting venom out of spite. Which is historically a thing shitty people do. In fact hearing all the complaints from man about body positivity prov…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 11:06 PM
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Not quite sure this is something to be proud of, but to each their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 10:54 PM
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Fair. But to OP's point. What about the non jerks who are catching strays for no reason? Homie was just chilling and some random woman on trueoffmychest declared that any man with a small dick is useless.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 10:50 PM
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Ma'am the only numbers I use are on the calendar to count the days until I can quit my job.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 10:46 PM
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It's fine to have preferences. It's not fine to insult people on their insecurities.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 10:44 PM
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Why would you inflict your pain onto other people? Does it give you joy to do this? Isn't having sympathy, when none was offered to you, a sign that you care for other people despite the struggle? Isn't that something we should all aim for?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 10:32 PM
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IF THE ANSWER HURTS YOUR FEELINGS, STOP ASKING THE QUESTION. To be fair more than a fair share of men validate and uplift women that feel insecure about themselves. Gym bros are notorious for this. Fat girl comes in the Gym sad and insecure. She leaves with friends that will meet her everyday at the same spot and time no exceptions. Man could be on life support and he'd still convince himself to go deadlifting. I think some men were looking for some kind of reciprocity. Not from all women, but a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 10:29 PM
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And I'd argue it's less body shaming and more hitting them where it hurts because they are so dick obsessed. It's only hitting it where it hurts if the statement is true and over something that ubiquitously matters. One man's insecurity is not something of great importance, but it's not something good people in general try to attack. It's the same reason men try and call women, "ugly", "fat", "whore". Only lately the insults don't sting anymore because women know they are/or aren't ugly, fat, or…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 10:23 PM
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Heh, not that deep.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 10:16 PM
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They're both public conversations on an open forum. It's the same thing bud.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 10:13 PM
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Refer to the statement of normal everyday people not obligated to tolerate disrespectful comments that are blatantly untrue.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 10:10 PM
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I've never asked about my dick size in my life. Doesn't mean a lot of other men haven't and in turn doesn't mean a lot of other women haven't asked that question or other questions regarding their body.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 10:09 PM
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Considering the topic has been pretty public, it's fair to give out public and fair criticism of the responses. If I were intruding on a private conversation, then I could see this making more sense. I could understand if women would say stuff about dick size out of the blue They do. It was part of OP's point.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 10:07 PM
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Ya know. That's actually fair. But to be fair, you guys also ask questions like "do I look fat", "you like my titties", and so on and so forth expecting us to give a dishonest answer or the answer we give out isn't good enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 10:00 PM
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The actual fucking nonsense that I see men aim at women every day in this sub is tolerated and applauded by other men and you think I'm going to give an actual fuck about any of your feelings We hear you hollering loud and clear. Anyway. I'd prefer it if neither side of the argument spit venom and disrespect at each other unless it's warranted. You're probably not fat. You're probably not that mean. You're probably just tired of disrespect. I'm just wondering why you think starting out with veno…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 09:56 PM
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Considering the topic, the fact that the internet has annotated that a lot of women make fun of men by mocking their dick size, and that there was plenty of room to interpret what you said. Yeah, you were misleading. Unintentionally, but misleading nonetheless. Anyway I get your meaning. Making fun of someone because you find the topic of discussion annoying doesn't mean your body shaming them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 09:52 PM
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I can respect that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 09:47 PM
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Ma'am this is Reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 09:47 PM
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As I just told the OP, secure people don't care about random insults. Nor are they obligated to tolerate disrespect, go figure. This kind of shit has zero affect on me. You can call me whatever the fuck you like and the only thing you will ever accomplish is giving me the satisfaction of knowing I got under your skin enough to elicit an emotional response. I'm glad you're satisfied over my bewilderment of seeing an out of pocket comment that really added nothing to the topic on hand. Honestly, g…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 09:45 PM
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I don't know if you meant to imply something else but: "Body shaming: making fun of you about the actual size of your dick" "Not body shaming: making fun of you for assuming women are as obsessed with dick size as you are" Highly implies that the "making fun of you" is the small dick joke and that it's not body shaming since that person has no idea of the actual size of your dick. She or he just finds you annoying and is just making fun of you. So, no you didn't write it out clearly. But hey, yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 09:32 PM
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But.....then.....why did you engage if you were tired about the question? Like did you hope for some catharsis from expressing your grievance? What did you think was gonna happen?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 09:25 PM
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I mean how you go about dick hunting is your business. But I see no real reason to bring up things that are completely unrelated to that person as a character. Also, giving some respect doesn't cost you much. Being cordial, polite, and considerate to strangers would really just make you a good person.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 09:23 PM
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This comment is some real fat girl energy. Obviously, I have never seen this Redditor in real life before. But I'll still pull some mean shit out of nowhere for no other reason than out of spite. I have no real grievance or argument and in fact, completely detract from the point of the thread. But yeah. Why would I actually engage with her statement when I can dismiss this Redditor and just call her fat?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 09:20 PM
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Wouldn't it be better if, idk? We treated both groups of people with some respect. Honestly though. Is it worth it? You can pretty clearly see if someone's fat, you have no idea what his dick is like. Kinda pulling that one out of nowhere and hope it sticks.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 09:10 PM
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That wasn't his point. It's not that you care about dick. You probably don't. Rather you have no consideration for the words that come out of your mouth. Like saying: Trump is such a little dick. Could be or could not be true. You, me, and most people don't care about his dick. But the one guy in the group who is just a decent guy, who so happens to have a little dick. Now feels bad about the fact his insecurity and shame is placed upon people like Trump. Because it relates to him. It's not abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 09:06 PM
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So like if a man says: Shut your annoying saggy titty ass up. It's the reason why your husband left you. ....this isn't body shaming? We're just making fun of her because we found her annoying? .....alright....like....still feels like body shaming. But I guess it's okay to say since her titties aren't actually saggy. I don't know when this kind of logic made sense, but I can make do with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 08:59 PM
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Actually by your logic, you CAN demand people stop demanding. It may not happen, but they can demand it. No infringement really.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 04:35 PM
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Ya know.....high key the world would probably be a better place if we built our infrastructure to have less need of vehicles. Most people would agree to a world where a 30 minute drive wasn't a thing. The problem is its damn near impossible to implement. Companies that build roads and cars would actively go against it. And since you need road builders to actively implement a new infrastructure, you can't expect them to work against their own interests. The whole thing feels like a Catch 22 that …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 04:33 PM
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I'll die on my hill of jeans, hit top sneakers, and t-shirt.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 02:21 AM
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Isn't your point that you don't like stylish men? No. Rather style comes in all types of ways. If you don't dig some or most of them that's fine. You want a guy to look like he just rolled out of bed with a stubby face. And no they don't look good that way. Some women dig it. I challenge you to find a newsreel that shows men dressed like disgusting slobs in the 30s/40s/50s. No, they did not always film on Wall Street or Monday morning or Friday night out. Watch classic Hollywood movies. Men were…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 02:13 AM
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Pretty sure the camera was curating its subject. Specifically just targeting a Friday night where everyone was looking fancy or it went on wall street on an early morning or late afternoon. Also men today look fine really. What's wrong with what they got? If anything there's just a bigger variety in style than there ever was. You got more to pick from unless you only really dig the well shaved suit.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 01:59 AM
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I doubt they were that consistent with it. Grooming has always cost. Maybe middle, upper middle, and high class bothered with the consistency, but I'm hazarding a guess that everyone else just made sure to have decent clothes on. At most greasing your hair and shaving your face was as fancy as it usually got. Things like watches, dress shoes, fancy belts, designer shirts, and well made pants were overlooked by some strong jeans and hard leather shoes.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 01:49 AM
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You put yourself the medal, so what do you do to HELP WOMEN. One. It's not some medal to be worn. It's the right thing to do. Two. I'm still confused at the blatant disregard of the effort that men have put forth when people (to include women) have benefited. Why would you disregard this? So ill ask again, what do you do personally to help women?? Worked at shelters and food banks. Helped my mother and sister. I'll keep giving the same answer. Because it answers the question. Have women been hel…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 06:49 AM
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what it really counts is what do you do for a complete stranger And shelters and food banks are places where everyone knows everyone and not the place to help random strangers who most desperately need it. And your other examples are not directed specifically to women. And today we learned because men also get help in a shelter, it doesn't count in helping women even though they got help from that same shelter. So... you do nothing? Shelters and food banks. Helping my mom and sister. And you can…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 07:22 PM
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Family is family and it doesn't count. Today we learned that if women are part of your family and you help and protect them, they no longer count as helping women. Anyway, shelters and food banks is still the answer. If that's not good enough go somewhere else.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 05:58 PM
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Worked at shelters and food banks. Took care of my mom and sister. Anyway. Do you do anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 04:51 PM
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Fires, illnesses, criminals, accidents, and just about every thing that could kill you. Why do you think the life expectancy is so high? Mind you it's not just men, but they're part of that process.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 11:42 AM
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One. They're not getting credit. Two. It's pointing out that people who came before us cared about the world we live in and that we hopefully do the same. Three. We do get blamed. I voted for Harris, and yet ever since the election was over until like last month, the entire internet threw every ounce of hate it could to men on mass. That's not how that works.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 11:39 AM
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.....You understand that the entire point of paternity leave is to help your wife as she heals? You help her with the kid. The shopping. The house..... Do you not understand the concept?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 11:17 AM
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Historically? It gets bumped up. But guess what. It's been getting lower and lower and as of today eating a double quarter will kill you first before someone tries to give you the forever nap. It's honestly something worth thinking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 12:57 AM
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No. The leading cause is heart disease. Then it's Cancer. Then COVID. Then it's accidents. Then Strokes. Then Respiratory Diseases. Then Alzheimer's. Then Diabetes. You actually get pretty far down the list before homicide is an actual factor. You have a bigger chance of eating a Big Mac for the last time before you get murdered.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 11:33 PM
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Hey this is probably too little too late, but I just realized that while commenting to multiple people I commented on yours by accident. Sorry for the mix up. Gifs were funny though.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 06:14 PM
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Ya know that's a good question. Kinda takes away from the post, but good question all the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 06:06 PM
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Furthermore, things like domestic violence shelters have waiting lists that can last for months. This is news to me. Lack of resources? Not enough shelters? Do the profile and prioritize on a case by case basis? What's the reason?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 03:39 PM
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One. People are as violent as they're able to get away with. Two. Women don't have a peace and harmony gene, they stay away from conflict because they are more easily hurt.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 03:09 PM
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And how do you think that happened? Women lobbied for them, years after they started actually working in and around these shelters. They're not gifts. And again men are part of that process. Funding it, building it, working it, maintaining it, fixing it, running it. I promise you that a man is in there doing one or possibly multiple of these roles. Which men? The Salvation Army was founded by William Booth. Here's some copy and paste: Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, and Joe Biden. Jimm…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 03:03 PM
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This is just for LA. Don't get me wrong, it's good that they have this. But it still stands that a good chunk of support is made for women. Mind you it's not out of nowhere, they have a dire need of it and they've made political campaigns for it. Subsequently the majority of people that usually don't get support are men. Many reasons as to why that is, chief among them is our general socialization and expectations of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 02:43 PM
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And this is the conclusion: While men are the biggest perpetrators of violence, we have taken so many precautions, made so many societal safety nets, and have made so many technological advances that you are far more likely to die from eating McDonalds too often than you are to be even assaulted.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 02:36 PM
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No. A lot of nonprofit homeless services are funded by grants from nonprofits and donations, but some of them/parts of them are funded by federal/state money (grants, Medicaid billing for case management, GA funds, initiative/pilot funding, etc). Why are we ignoring the men that help make this happen? Are women part of it too? Absolutely. But why minimize the impact of men making the effort?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 02:31 PM
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Oh men mainly targeting men? Jeez, I guess that would subsequently mean that women are overall safer. Who'd da thunk?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 02:17 PM
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Say that for a second I believe this. Why would that negate the benefits of modern medicine?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 02:15 PM
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Men created insurance for MEN. And in fact BARRED women from accessing it independently from a man, so sorry I won’t be on my knees thanking you for your nobility when you used the power of the law to exclude me. You don't have to thank me. You can thank the Affordable Care Act for largely making that no longer the case. The fact that things have changed and progressed shows that people (to include men) care about the people living in the society they created. Why are we ignoring the context of …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 02:13 PM
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The largest cause of death in women in the U.S is heart disease. Homicide is far more rampant to the average man than it is to random pregnant women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 01:28 PM
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No. Most shelters for sexual assault are for women. Most domestic violence shelters are for women. Transitional housing is mostly women since they're the majority of single parents. So and so forth. We create and implement as needed and women make the bulk of that need.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 01:11 PM
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Women live longer due to biology Or yah know. Because of modern medicine, laws, and technology. The testosterone leaking out of your balls literally kills you faster I have no idea what you've read to ever make this assertion. How exactly is testosterone killing men? Does this mean that trans men are actively killing themselves by wanting to get hormone replacement therapy? Are trans women living longer for injecting estrogen? I can't list all the ways that this doesn't make sense. There is no s…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 12:53 PM
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Eh, we'll figure it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 12:33 PM
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So....shelters don't protect? You got a point in there?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 03:38 AM
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So...shelters don't exists?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 03:36 AM
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I'm well aware of the history. It's your use of it that makes absolutely no sense. Comparing injustices in order to make a point about the lack of personhood in the history of women, gives off the impression that you'd sooner minimize the impact of the sin that was slavery. Regardless of your intent. Either way it doesn't disprove the original point.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 03:35 AM
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You're missing my point. We actively live in a world where someone cared about the livelihood of the people that live in it. It's not perfect, but it's pretty good.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 01:53 AM
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that society was built so that women aren’t murdered by men? I can tell you with impunity and full unbridled confidence that we have built a society that makes murder less of a thing by the sheer fact that we all live longer now than we used to. You’re debating like a 7-year-old who’s trying to run for class president So can I count on your vote? society isn’t some protective barrier Quite literally is. Fences and shit all around it. With armed personnel. There is no shortage of heinous men or w…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 01:51 AM
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It's not magical. It's just different. Having free tampons in bathrooms is a good thing, but for obvious reasons men don't need them. Though depending on things, it is far better. Maternity leave exists far more often in the workplace than paternity leave does across the world. Most studies are conducted by men, so they may have biases that benefit them. Still doesn't mean we don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 01:44 AM
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All of this is true. Doesn't mean we don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 01:39 AM
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Honestly it's anecdotes vs anecdotes. I don't think anyone can give a definitive answer as to what actually happens most, because I find the inverse to be true for me and other circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 01:35 AM
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ain't because they don't want to be firefighters and police officers. Or it's both. Lack of initial interest and being deter by blatant harassment. These aren't mutually exclusive things. imply people are favouring women. It's not favoring in terms of putting women above others. But to take consideration for them given the circumstances. Maternity leave is a job incentive that's born out of empathy. It means we recognize the situation and cared about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 01:21 AM
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What men target mainly men? Guess that would mean women are relatively safer. Who'd da thunk?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 12:24 AM
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Evolutionary psychology, social expectations of masculinity, hormonal influences (particularly testosterone), and a tendency to seek sensation. It's not really because women are smarter. And I think looking back at the graph, we're more or less the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 12:21 AM
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Not gonna lie. I used Google for the cliff notes, but here it is: evolutionary psychology, social expectations of masculinity, hormonal influences (particularly testosterone), and a tendency to seek sensation. It's not really because women are smarter. And I think looking back at the graph, we're more or less the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 12:15 AM
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You live longer.” And we get better insurance because we are less reckless.So how is that about men protecting women? I know this is flippant, but guess who created insurance in the event that even if you make safe decisions, you still have a backup. Technically it's not specifically men specifically protecting women but government policies protecting everyone, but the safety is there for you. The fact that you pay less for it is a nice bonus. We go to the doctors more. How is that men protectin…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 12:13 AM
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I disagree with that claim. There's a study I can pull up, but I have to dig for it. If you could give me some time I'll post it to you. If you do not have the patience. Just Google why men take riskier behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 11:47 PM
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Strawman. You wanted an explanation for why there are more womens shelters and that is the explanation. I think you meant to reply to someone else. Pretty sure I never asked for an explanation. In the case you didn't. We give shelters because they were in danger. Which means we took consideration to their safety. Still doesn't change the fact that in all likelihood, you won't have need of a shelter. Nope it's people in power. They could easily just enslave you again Easily? How do you figure tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 11:46 PM
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Why? Doesn't the fact that women live longer than at any other point in time provide sufficient proof that men have taken precautions for women's safety?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 11:34 PM
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Never made that claim. Though I can see how it seems like I inferred it. But anyway the premise that men defend women still stands. And yes women have made an effort to care about their men. Is there a disagreement?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 11:31 PM
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And to defend them we gave them shelters......you could've just typed that you agree we take precautions for women's safety.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 11:27 PM
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Oh God. Please don't tell me this isn't the start of a eugenics argument. Either way. Does this mean that men are not socialized to view getting help as a sort of weakness? I'd type more, but you're not the only one who responded.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 11:25 PM
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K so anyway if we get back on topic men are still a bigger threat to womens lives than women are to mens lives. Is this the metric that we're using? How often we kill each other, even though a Big Mac is more likely to kill you? You can live in fear of the men around. Doesn't change the fact that in all likelihood they're just going to go about their day. Eat healthy though. Nope. People in power built society and those included men and women and I doubt they'd appreciate some pleb taking credit…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 11:19 PM
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Obviously. Before I piss you off again. A simple question if you will. An olive branch of sorts. Why dismiss the fact that we have built a society that took effort in making sure you live longer than at any other point in time in history? Barring health risks. You'll probably live to 70-80. Why dismiss that effort? Like I get things could be better, but why dismiss the fact that we have progressed?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 11:06 PM
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Oh sure. By all means this is true. And yet heart disease is the number one killer. Kinda tells you that the rate of homicide isn't as big as the number of times people die from eating McDonalds too much. You are free to go outside and touch grass and I promise you. The likelihood of you getting killed is low. You are probably gonna spend the majority of your life never having been murdered. Why? Because we have built a society that makes it so.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 11:02 PM
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And yet you still respond. Ironic really.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 10:58 PM
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If there are no women. There are no humans. If humans are alive today. It's because we made sure the women lived. To ensure women live, they're safety must be taken into consideration. There, broke it down Barney style.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 10:55 PM
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Guess I missed the part where you ever made an argument. Feel free to do so at any time.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 10:53 PM
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a) make less reckless decisions and b) do stuff like go to the doctor. You ever wonder why that is? Or are women just inherently smarter? It's almost as if men have been socialized and been treated as if their lives are expendable. After all, what's the point of trying to fix your body if you weren't even expecting to live long. The majority of homeless shelter beds are FOR MEN. Because they make the majority of the homeless. Subsequently women are far less likely to be homeless. So yeah, that t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 10:52 PM
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Glad we could agree without an actual discourse.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 10:46 PM
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tell about themselves to make themselves feel better. We would first need to feel bad about something. Who gained the right to vote (thus treated as a full human) first? A black man or a white woman? Weird that you took what was an obvious form of exploitation and power play by the political climate of the time and used it to erase the actual harm it made. Let me ask you this. Who was getting lynched when they gave black men the right to vote. Black men or white woman. What's the point of a vote…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 10:45 PM
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The biggest killer in the U.S is heart disease. The second is cancer. Then COVID. Then strokes. Then Alzheimer's. No we are not. I don't understand why we make this lie when the information is readily available and easy to Google.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 10:40 PM
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God I wish. Though the lack of rebuttal is telling. Look men don't protect women perfectly. Could do a better of it. But to sit there and pretend that this planet isn't full of men that care for their mothers, girlfriends, wives, and even random women on the street. Miss me with that bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 10:37 PM
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Fair enough. Though I think he's talking about the world at large and not specific instances.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 10:34 PM
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The fact that humans are alive today. Without making sure women lived, none of us would ever be here. Your existence is honestly proof enough on its own.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 10:29 PM
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Imma Just copy and paste this: You live longer. By a good chunk. The majority of shelters and government support is majorly with women. Honestly the list is long in terms of the ways men defend women and I prefer brevity, so I'll leave you with this: Civilizations have made it a point to build around your survival for the sheer fact that our instincts to survive as a species has dictated us to do so and as we've progressed throughout the ages we've philosophized a moral standing for the worth of…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 10:28 PM
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Well. Let me see. checks notes puts on glasses You can't use the app if you're not alive to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 10:25 PM
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You live longer. By a good chunk. The majority of shelters and government support is majorly with women. Honestly the list is long in terms of the ways men defend women and I prefer brevity, so I'll leave you with this: Civilizations have made it a point to build around your survival for the sheer fact that our instincts to survive as a species has dictated us to do so and as we've progressed throughout the ages we've philosophized a moral standing for the worth of human life. If we didn't defen…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 10:22 PM
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The exclusion of the draft If you call the cops on a man, he's probably going away even if you were the perpetrator and it's his house No fault divorce Contraception Majority of fire and police being men Maternity leave Etc. ect. Now before you jump down my throat, NONE of this is perfect and has tons of nuance. Regardless, across societies and civilizations there's a clear pattern of having women's safety in mind. You live longer. You don't die or kill yourselves as much. I understand you're un…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 10:14 PM
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Fair enough. Say that's the stance. Can one say they're a feminist with these sets of beliefs that ultimately agree with some main talking points, but differ at certain others.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 12:47 AM
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Alright. Say I believe abortion should be completely legal and federally protected. But say that while I think patriarchy exists, it's not the cause for inequality, capitalism is.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 11:54 PM
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Hell yeah, no more abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 11:50 PM
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Not so much on the second. Capitalism is the life blood for many a political movement. But if the first is just weird, then let's focus on the second. The patriarchy exists, but it's whatever. Capitalism is the enemy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 11:49 PM
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Why though? Say he believes women should vote, but abortion should be illegal? Is he a feminist?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 11:39 PM
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Say he held beliefs that were in opposition. Nothing big or worth arguing about. Like say he believes that equality should be a social movement with no government intervention, no further laws should be put in place to fix any perceived inequality. He doesn't stand for government authority enforcing anything on people. Or (probably the one thing I've seen feminist actually disagree with each other on) say while he believes that patriarchy exists, the actual perpetration of inequality between men…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 11:25 PM
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Forgot individual desires. Moral, ethical, and political beliefs can be at odds. Say I vote for harsher sentences for sexual perpetrators, but support the decision of terminating roe v. Wade Where do I stand then?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 10:57 PM
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And if I vote for harsher sentences for sexual perpetrators, but support the decision that abortion remains with the states and subsequently that state makes it illegal. Where do I fit in?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 10:54 PM
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I don't think equality is an issue. Rather conflicting ideals based on your identity and beliefs are. I'm straight. I like sex with women. Feminism says that the approach men have given women is unwanted. Feminism gives several conditions as to what you have to do before you even think of approaching (No major age gap, she must be in public, we can't be work colleagues, can't demand any expectations of her, etc., etc.). What happens when I don't believe in some or most of them, but I still hold …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 10:36 PM
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So voice your complaints and hope for the best? May I ask why not opposed, change, or try to lead it differently? Schools of thoughts and political discourse are never sedentary and will always fester. Why not actively change it. Or try to diverge from the group and bring about values that you and others can hold true?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 10:23 PM
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That's not what he's saying. He's not touching on it directly, but it's there. He's talking about the nuances of different sets of beliefs and identities that an individual can hold and where they fit or stand with the feminist movement. Take my example. Say I'm a man. Say I believe that women are not taken seriously in terms of leadership roles and work that they can contribute. Say I believe abortion to be unjust. Where do I fit in with the feminist movement? Am I feminist? Would they accept m…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 10:14 PM
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don’t see my sexual interest in women as detracting from that. You raised some good points that I want to get into, but just to specify on this. A LOT of feminist rhetoric denotes men approaching them as a problem. To the point the behavior is considered toxic, creepy, and dangerous. Obviously women IRL are far more nuanced, but what happens when the movement largely states for the majority of men to get away from women. Not going off of individual instances, but the complaints that the group ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 09:54 PM
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The good is that people change. Feminism is no longer what it once was. 7-8 years ago you couldn't tell them anything, now depending on where you go they get told to shut up before they even say anything. That is NOT the way it should be done. But it is a consequence of their attitude. We usually couldn't have this conversation on reddit, but now we can. Things/people do and WILL change.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 09:34 PM
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A spade is a spade is a spade. Feminism (excluding rad fems) gets pretty exclusive at the drop of a hat IRL. I used to chalk it up as anecdotal, but the attitude is so prevalently in your face in every corner of the internet, classroom, and community that it's disingenuous to say otherwise. Feminist can be mean. I'm fine with that. I can't stand the exclusiveness and the utter spite to anything they deem unworthy, because it can be so utterly uncalled for. As an example. The idea that your gende…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 09:32 PM
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Hate is pretty conditioned here in the states. My president is orange. I love my country. And I hate my government. The attitude towards political discourse and anything attached to it gets pretty poisonous.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 09:24 PM
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Understandable. It's got a stigma towards it, because it begs the question as to why you really care. People can care for others. But to care to the point they themselves intervene is another thing entirely. It almost always begs that there is an ulterior motive, even if there isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 09:21 PM
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You didn't say anything wrong, but that's hardly the only social dynamic that exists. I'd even argue that it's not the most prevalent one.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 09:17 PM
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Funnily enough feminist would call them fake feminist and you the real one. Allyship is awarded to those that can best support them. Everything else falls to the wayside.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 09:13 PM
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It comes from the understanding that the conversation is far more nuanced than their platitudes. Also when you confront those of them with empathy, you may find yourself achieving common ground.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 09:10 PM
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Probably because the word has shifted into more of an identity. People can have feminist beliefs, but they may also have beliefs that outright opposed it. And if you call yourself a feminist you may find yourself almost handcuffed to the beliefs and values of the group. When you'd rather not.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 09:08 PM
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OP is pointing out something far more nuanced. Sure straight parents can support LGBT rights, but they may feel opposed to giving minors (specifically from the ages 15-17, where they have more agency) hormone blockers.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 09:05 PM
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I chalk it up that we have different world views. I still believe that there's still goodness in people, regardless of what group they're a part of or what they believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 09:01 PM
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Honestly yeah. Feminism is a pretty one way street.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 08:59 PM
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Because it's a nuanced subject with consistently shifting views. Also you're not adding in context. For the most part men here insist that women like getting approached by men THEY consider attractive That's honestly pretty accurate. Older women do get depressed by the lack of attention it's why they get amused when someone gives it to them. But yeah. Old news.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 08:58 PM
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Help women if you want but do so knowing that they will never help you and That's pretty uncharitable even though you did bring good points. Is self interest their aim? Absolutely. But they're not devoid of common human sympathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 08:47 PM
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I think the movement has evolved and recognizes this fault. Probably why you hear the rhetoric that patriarchy harms men as well. They want help because they have grievances. Same as all other groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 08:43 PM
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Most men are still deluded, and live in a fantasy world where women enjoy being sexually harassed on the street by men, and enjoy being forced to get into relationships with men due to financial/social pressures, when that couldn’t be further from the truth. We have moved past this for a while now. Reddit is actually a pretty good proof that men understand the disdain that women hold for them. My question is. Why do feminist make that a problem? Specifically if you want any sort of allies. Being…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 08:41 PM
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OP is not outright saying it, but his examples kinda touch up on it. Allyship is nuance. Say you understand and believe that women are overlooked when it comes to promotions and positions of power. In that same breath say you're a Catholic and you still believe that abortion is ultimately unjustifiably ending a human life. It's why people say you can support women and feminism, without being one. You help support it as a political vehicle, but you don't consider yourself part of it because of wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 08:30 PM
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Not who you responded to but I'm curious. Right to vote is important. That IS equality. But what else is it that you want?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 08:21 PM
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You got anything with substance to say or are you here to call anything you don't like stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 08:19 PM
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He's not denying that, I think he's touching upon something that's never really talked about. Say you're a man that supports women, that's great. But you're not one and you got problems and issues that would greatly benefit in being part of the political discourse. That completely lies outside of feminism. Feminism doesn't fix most issues, problems, or grievances. It's a one sided supported front that has one goal in mind. Improving women's lives. And we'll.....the world is just far more than ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 08:14 PM
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This is probably why the movement is not fully supported. It's too self interested in a way where it's damn near advocates for narcissism.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 08:09 PM
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Probably because the word is slowly evolving. His examples kinda hit the heart of his speech. If you're white and advocate for black lives, you're going out your way for a group that you're not a part of. These political movements have shifted from ideas into self identifications. No matter how you slice it, even if you believe in redistributing wealth, if you're rich then you're not poor.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 08:07 PM
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It's a much cleaner word where no one specially benefits. Say whatever you want about any political movement or ideal and any lofty goal that they may have, even if it's noble. Someone's always getting the bigger slice of cake.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 08:01 PM
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Fuck that. I'd choose my girlfriend over a Victoria Secret model any fucking day. I can say that with impunity because I have fucked a Victoria Secret Model. Ladies. We'll quite literally die for you, fight your fights for you, and we'll stand beside and with you when everyone else has left. Why the lack of self worth? Why think we won't pick you when far too many of you have a whole ass roster (whether you consciously or unconsciously know about that roster) of men who'll come help you if need …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 05:08 PM
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balanced mixture of looks, status, money, and other personality traits. I can agree with that reasoning. Though I think context is missing. All of those traits need to be slightly higher to a preferably much higher level than she is. Most women don't want to date a man who doesn't have a degree and they do. Even if they make a decent wage. Most women don't want to date an introvert when she has biweekly or monthly outings that she likes going on. Even when he can be sociable with her. Most women…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 10:03 PM
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Again. I can only imagine men in a position to pick whoever they want with the ability to say that and truly mean it. But to this day I still hold the belief that men want women and there's bound to be someone who'd give an arm to talk to these women. Now obviously. The incel neck beard will talk shit all day and night. Partly because he understands no words he can come up with will make these women like them and so he copes by talking shit about them. But that's not most men. But your average m…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 05:22 PM
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Ya know. I never thought about it that way. Instead of looking at what matters to each side I was equating the examples OP gave us. Like the height example. Most men could not really care about the size of women's breasts even though there's a preference. Big titties are nice but most will take any size with absolutely no complaints. Those that do care are unconcerned as to how they're perceived. They'll die on that titty hill. But you are right. We just care about different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 12:49 AM
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Do you work in a cave? I can see the argument being said for obese women, but if fat and chubby girls have somewhat of a shot, I honestly don't see how the skinny girl is struggling that much. Do they not go out? Are there absolutely NO men looking at them, or is it just the ones that they want that won't consider them?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 12:07 AM
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Actually I'm a prepper and the amount of guys getting into it have increased more than I ever thought it would. It's anecdotal and I could be wrong. But more people than you realize are ready to throw down in case the sky starts falling. Also. There's not much recourse for broken self esteem and emotional mistreatment except to give it time and hope something good happens to you. The big sad is undefeated unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 05:38 PM
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Tiny chested, small ass, slim waisted women would be the counterpart to the skinny man, and I promise you plenty of guys would think she's hot. Like I understand there's a hierarchy of what's the most beautiful. But more than enough women are pretty enough for damn near all men. Marrying a 4, 5, 6, 7 would not bother most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 05:28 PM
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Do a lot of men disguise their fetish or try to live it out? Most if not all. Actually, that's just people in general. But to your point. A LOT of women read erotica or books with heavy sexual themes. The paperback smut books are in every library and bookstore I've ever been in, from California to New York. Also, MOST PEOPLE have a power fantasy. It's in there in damn near every piece of media and creative outlet that humans have constructed.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 12:45 AM
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Nah. I understood. I just didn't think it was a good response. Pointing out that men have a power fantasy in creative outlets, doesn't negate the idea that women express their sexual fantasies in erotica. Rather that form of expression is the entire point of erotica. But yeah sure. Women can like counterstrike for the same reason guys do.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 04:43 AM
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Not sure how you equate vampire erotica to first person shooters where you hunt down other people for sweet headshots. But if that's your kink then so be it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 03:44 AM
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More that they probably have a power fantasy and are intrigue with the mechanics and the mind games that come into play.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 03:39 AM
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Only if I'm winning and I get some snack time in between.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 03:38 AM
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So Tarantino doesn't have a foot fetish because all evidence we have of it are in his movies?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 03:37 AM
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Nah, they both act entitled as hell. Bad boy is just hot enough to get away with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 11:09 AM
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Not really. An unhappy marriage is something that's true for both sides. I question the generalization that men don't view marriage as something that they would want. As for the free bangmaids. I ask how many people really want to marry someone they have so little respect for that'd they be willing to dehumanize them, or how many people would actually say yes to that dynamic.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 08:00 PM
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Eh, live your life as you see fit. Although I submit to you that there's not much merit with the generalization that men view relationships as a prison, they wouldn't be complaining about the lack of them if it were true.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 07:24 PM
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Fair point. But you probably open the door to competition. At which point you've lost your monopoly on the product.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 07:21 PM
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In this economy? Good luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 08:58 AM
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Ya know. I think that's the whole problem men and women have with each other. We really don't know enough about each other. Counter question though. Why shouldn't you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 08:42 AM
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Is it really a backlash when nothing is stopping him from continuing to do it and his career is intact? All it kinda amounted to is people shit talking about him. I hardly think Leo is up at night with the worry that his dating choices are affecting his public outlook. Oh shit he bangs hot, young, supermodels. Damn that Leo, we'll get him next time. Honestly man has it good and unless he actively sabotages himself he'll have it good for the rest of his life. He'll have 20 year olds blowing him u…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/24 03:55 PM
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Would you like to see the library? Honestly it's just mostly filled of awkward advances and girls being rude as fuck and calling them creep. To their credit some are creeps. But most of the time it's some awkward shy guy who's trying to take his shot and being made out to be looking pretty pathetic. Thankfully for them people forget about them as if they were nothing. But yeah shit got viral.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 01:35 AM
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Looking back I do agree that what I wrote looks defeatist. Not my intention. What I kinda wanted to point out is just telling people to go after it and explore can often lead to no results. Don't get me wrong, it worked for me, but on the journey I saw far too many just spiral into an abyss. When I asked them why not keep trying they often told me it wasn't worth it.....and I couldn't really give them an honest response to that. More than a good amount of people need positive people in their liv…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 01:26 AM
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And make no mistake, a person with no real world experience has no credibility. Excuse you but I've bullshitted my way through life by reading books and emulating characteristics from them and not growing a real personality. I swear I'm not a bot. On a real note. Your statement imposes that there are ways to succeed and improve. Not always the case. Not all skills can be mastered and in some cases, not even attained. Also some people are just born with charisma and can comfortably hang with just…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 12:33 AM
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The circle of socialisation. Where by drawing a square you can get circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 12:21 AM
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Being a father means doing the work. Otherwise you might as well be a sperm donor.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 02:26 AM
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What do you base this on? The majority of kids that have poor behavior or trouble socializing have absent fathers not present shitty ones. Do they exist? Yeah. But the studies that have been posted on Reddit and other parts of the internet show that if the man is there, he is going to do a generally good job.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 04:29 PM
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Men often over-perceive their own attractiveness in expecting women to chase them. By that logic most men are ugly and unwanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 03:06 PM
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You a real one
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 11:40 PM
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10-14 days? You vastly underestimate us. 69 minutes is all it would take.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 02:59 PM
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but it is definitely not the work of feminism to promote mens rights. And this is why people doubt feminism is for equality. If you say your goal is equality between the sexes be prepared to help both of them out. A one sided supported front where you neglect the other side when they are in clear need of support just creates power imbalances and discord between the two sides. Also it's pretty easy to argue that you're really not for equality. The fact that men can’t even allow discussions about …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 09:15 PM
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That's ummm......a bold fucking statement that most people wouldn't accept in their lives......how did you get here?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 05:51 PM
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Nah. This is a huge assumption, but I don't think most people had a whole lot of love to begin with. Boys especially.
/r/ExRedPill04/04/22 10:14 PM
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Laughs in mental health
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 10:33 PM
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Nah. Even though more men are realizing that women are really starting to care about looks, overall their field of fucks is barren.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 01:14 PM
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I don't really get what the redpill has to do with this. Zelensky is just a good man that wants the best for his country. I don't see what if any Pill has anything meaningful to say right now. Ukraine just needs help and Putin needs to go.
/r/ExRedPill01/03/22 01:51 AM
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Oh, have a good day at work then.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 07:30 PM
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Can you give the tldr?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 07:28 PM
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Did you?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 07:08 PM
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It's not ideal but most women would understand I think most men can agree with me that most women don't tend to be understanding. Particularly in later stages in life. Actually the bar gets moved up the older you get if you're someone that values themselves in any respect. If anything some slight pity and a quick ghost is most likely the outcome. Like why would she play keep-up with you when other men are already up to speed? Confidence in yourself despite that, and in other areas of your life l…
/r/ExRedPill01/02/22 11:12 AM
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We start small. Eventually people will get sick and tired of how horrible the dating scene is. It generally doesn't matter who you are, dating pretty much sucks for everyone. So people will start looking for something new. All you need to do is go along with whatever it is we figure it out to be. Essentially find yourself a nice happy relationship that goes on for the rest of your life. Essentially be happy with whatever it is we come up with (you know if the results are reasonable). Personally …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 11:58 AM
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Here's one. Create something new. That benefits and satisfies both genders. Honestly we probably could of done this ages ago, it's just each side is unwilling to compromise.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 09:56 AM
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You're whole argument kinda falls apart once you think about it. It's not that the women won't pick one. Is that these men are not picking the women. These women are so far out of their league that men have no incentive to pick one. It's not just that a very pretty woman should pick a very pretty man. Is that the man is not only pretty, but successful, driven, charismatic, and even more than she could ever be or just currently is. Honestly the most impressive women whom I could admire are not th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 09:54 AM
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So when a woman recognizes this advantage and agrees with this idea (an idea mainly perpetuated by trp men), it's suddenly women being unfair? It's not suddenly, it always was unfair. Also it's not perpetuated by trp. They're just the ones that really wanted to bring it to light because people were saying that they were being unreasonable in their approach when the fact of the matter is that this game is fucking rigged. Women perpetuate this fine on their own. Trp tells everyone else about this …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 09:33 AM
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Step 1. Be attractive. Step 2. Don't be unattractive. Step 3. Money.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 06:56 AM
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Good for them I guess?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 07:44 PM
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True, but that isn't what we're talking about. We're pointing out that this country gets so bad that nobody wants to live here. There grandma and grandpa never leave Puerto Rico cuz it isn't worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 04:15 PM
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I disagree with a rush on urban living. If anything nobody can afford it and it'll come to a grinding halt unless the make the prices attractive and way cheaper. there’s no indication those spaces are empty. We do live long, but not forever. We'll get there eventually. If they were, we’re looking at more of an apocalyptic type scenario… We'll get there. Maybe possibly within this or a few lifetime or far off into the future. I think we live to see the start of it happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 04:08 PM
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We assimilated Irish, Germans, Italians, Poles, Jews ... most didn't speak English and were thought of as inferior and even subhuman by some. Hispanics are no different. Idk man I wanna say the way we (meaning the general public) view immigrants has definitely changed since way back then. Also how we deal with them. Not to mention how we assimilate them. We've changed A LOT since then. Hell depending on what time period they migrated in we didn't even HAVE a government. By the way, it's already …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 04:02 PM
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lol duh, you mean like when it starts acting like its going to erupt? lol Could be months or years before that when we could accurately tell if it's going to blow. Considering everything people have accomplished with technology I don't understand why you're not more optimistic about it. we speculated there would be a world wide pandemic again "some day" and thats it No we we're guessing 5 years ago to like 10 years from now. I forgot the article, but I'll link it if I can. We're getting pretty g…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 03:52 PM
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no, you cant google it, they cannot predict the eruption, they can speculate about timelines and "seems cyclical like every 60k years", but no scientists can or are predicting "yellowstone will blow in 2037" Pretty sure the closer we get to it's eruption the more likely we'll know. I almost doubt we can't predict it right now, but even if we can't right now doesn't mean we won't be able to in the future. speculation is not prediction We saw it coming. And we did nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 02:44 PM
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Even if you view this as a problem what’s the solution? Banning birth control and abortions? This is why I said the OP is religiously or politically motivated. OP hasn't suggested either of those things unless I missed it somewhere. He's merely pointing out that the situation isn't heading towards a direction that is stable. The truth of the matter is, we don't know. That's it that's the answer, we don't know. Now in terms of banning birth control and abortions. Just because I don't suggest it d…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 02:41 PM
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You alluded to the fact that country people won't gather in an urban area if it doesn't benefit them. If they don't move and urban areas are low on population, why would prices remain the same if there's nobody there to buy it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 02:34 PM
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I kind of forgot the part where it's my job to care about these things. Well shit, here's the reminder. This affects EVERYONE. Of every class, race, and creed. Including you and people you care about. If I have children it will be because I want to, not because of abstract notions of social responsibility. If you live and benefit in a society, do you not have a responsibility to it? I'd understand if you were outside of government control and posting your comment using your own internet and not …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 02:31 PM
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Give it a minute will ya? These things take time. Probably within our lifetime though.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 02:24 PM
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lol it's amazing that you just lived through the unprecedented insanity of covid and think "we" can predict anything That's kinda the sad thing. We DID have predictions of COVID or when it came out we downplayed it until the government put the final nail in the coffin. hey Predicto, whens Yellowstone going to blow and make a mockery of everyone's "climate" "predictions" Whenever we feel like finding out the answer. Chances are I can Google it. If not and we give a fuck then we can find out. If w…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 02:20 PM
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Nah, for OP it's glaringly obvious it's more about the economic and stability of it. That may play into political beliefs, but you could probably ignore religious one's altogether. Thing is, this affects EVERYONE. REGARDLESS of what you believe. I don't think this yet a worldwide phenomenon yet, but I'll agree it's heading in that direction.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 02:19 AM
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The cost of living in those cities is out of bounds for a lot of people. I agree with everything else except this point right here. If there's nobody nearby to buy, what makes you think prices won't drop?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 02:15 AM
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so why talk about it all? Because it matters. Also it affects the rich folks so they'll likely dip their foot into the issue and make it so it doesn't come out of their expense. Which would more than likely fuck us all.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 02:12 AM
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why is it any of your beeswax? live your life. This is quite literally EVERYONE'S business. Nobody is excluded because it affects everyone. All the way down from the homeless and all the way up to leaders of countries. why do you all pretend youre governemtn bean counters who are worried about "social security funds in the future". People got smarter. They learned we might need to give a fuck. you cant predict the future in a straight line. theres no tellign whats going to happen and how a baby …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 02:09 AM
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True, and yet the average man and women couldn't give a fuck. Just because the smartest person in the room is speaking and trying to make sense doesn't really mean anyone is listening.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 02:01 AM
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I'll agree to that. There's more to it, but those are good places to start.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 01:57 AM
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You understand that if you follow the natural progression of what he's saying then what you're mother experienced would no longer be a thing. Eventually nobody moves anywhere if it isn't good enough, then you get stuck speaking everything but English.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 01:55 AM
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Ya know....that USED to be a red flag. But honestly shit could happen. You had a falling out with friends, you moved somewhere else, the people you thought were friends didn't really care about you. Plus there's the little bonus that people are far more guarded as to who they let into their circle than they were before.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 06:19 AM
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The average guy crowd still struggles hard to just get a date. If anything at one short point it was easier to hook up with a stranger and never see them again rather than actually have someone be in your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 06:15 AM
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Yeah not that many people know that nor could the fathom that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/21 08:37 PM
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This sub? Try a whole ass planet. The first time I met a stay at home dad, I could smell the blood moving through my brain at the realization that staying home could be an option. There's hardly anybody on the planet who wouldn't be put off by the concept, not to mention stay at home dads are basically unicorns.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/21 01:24 AM
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Part of me kinda understand. This is Reddit. We're not in a town hall discussing legislation. But you put into perspective something that effects all of us. No matter who you are. And it baffles me that they gloss over it. Like I get trolling is fun. But some things should matter. I don't understand why we can't have a good discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 11:25 AM
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Doubtful that they're mentally ill. We just overhype pussy waaaayyyyy too much. Both men and women hype it up and you are right, it isn't worth dying over. I don't think it's a mental illness thing, but rather a social conditioning thing sprinkled with a bit of biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 11:10 AM
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It's the one thing I hate about reddit. Sometimes you get a good conversation or point. Then before you know it. It devolves into stupidity.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 11:05 AM
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You know how crazy you sound? Hey resort to cannibalism to exist. The only way people would be okay with that is if they had hope for something better. Otherwise you're gonna find people checking out early real fucking fast. People do anything for they're survival unless they feel or know it can't get better. After that they commit suicide. Only the most mentally ill won't put up with almost anything just to survive. Hey man you gotta be mentally ill not to survive. Does this really make sense t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 09:10 PM
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We work because we think life is worth living. The moment it doesn't things start to look differently. "Medicine, law, business, engineering. These are noble pursuits, and necessary to sustain life." " But poetry, beauty, romance, love , these are what we stay alive for." We have gone well past the need to eat to stay alive. We need reason now. Starving, lack of housing, poverty. They affect us no doubt. But we also seek more, otherwise we gladly choose death.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 07:15 PM
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May I ask why you think that? People don't come out of the thin air. What is it that has you so sure that we won't face that particular problem. Especially considering Japan is facing that exact problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 06:13 PM
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Historically, the pendulum swings. And? Does not mean we don't try something new. Your fight is for unsexed men. My fight is for both community building and autonomy . No the fuck it's not. I'm on the side that let's people do what they want to do. Obviously there's limits and depending on the subject, huge contradictions. And here's one. Community building needs to include everyone and everyone needs to be and adequate level of happy, wether you like it or not unsexed men count as part of that.…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 06:03 PM
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No. Not even close. Women's sexual preference will lead to a collapse in society because you need people to keep society going. If women don't want to have kids society will think of some slogan, plan, ideology, some message, incentive, shaming tactics to make them have kids. Idk what is it that makes you think society will go quietly into the dark. I'm not suggesting that women fuck men they're not attracted to. That causes a whole other set of problems. Actually I haven't suggested anything an…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 05:49 PM
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, the “purpose” is never to provide people what they need, but to reassure people in power that they stay in power. Congratulations. You figured it out. What we think to be moral, just, and good doesn't matter. It's whatever keeps the engine going. It’s kinda insane how off topic this argument got and amusing how one can end in a tirade about “morality doesn’t matter” while saying someone is selfish in the first reply. It's not off topic. He's saying that the morality of women having body autono…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 05:36 PM
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Don't be glad. Give a shit about what's happening. I sympathize with lonely men, but their happiness cannot come at the expense of women's rights. Our government will do it if it's necessary because it's easy and humanity has done it in the past. Fuck the pendulum. We need something new.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 05:25 PM
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Why would I suggest that? Listen, they'll make a trend or offer benefits or make some kind of stigma that will coerce people to make kids. It's arguable that our government is authoritarian, but it's neither so authoritarian or stupid that it won't be able to coerce people. And we as a people are a lot more stupider than we need to be. Rape is not what's coming. Shaming women, incentivizing couples, uplifting lonely men. THAT'S what's coming. Subliminal messaging. It's bullshit. But admittedly i…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 05:18 PM
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And we are never going to hit a point of underrpopulation (I thought OVER population was our problem?) because a portion of men can't get laid. People don't live that long. Also all those new people that were born could quickly die under a weak and unstable government. Which can easily happen at any point if we decide to stop making more kids for any short period of time. We are a lot more vulnerable than you think. It will never reach a point where human genitals become something we have no aut…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 05:08 PM
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I'll be plain. Your agency does not matter if it creates a large negative impact in society. Don't get me wrong. That's fucking unacceptable. And is enough reason to tear down the current government. But I see women being forced to pair up with men they don't really like more likely to happen than a rebellion towards the government.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 04:55 PM
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How did you miss the point. Bussy or pussy is not the issue. The only thing that matters is what controls people. Majority of men want pussy. Bussy doesn't do it for them. Men won't work or do what you want if they're in a constant state of sexual frustration. Nobody is arguing that women should have complete and unnegotiable control of their bodies. That should be a given. The point is that the right for body autonomy goes out the window as soon as it affects things for a large group of people …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 04:50 PM
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How did you miss the point. Bussy or pussy is not the issue. The only thing that matters is what controls people. Majority of men want pussy. Bussy doesn't do it for them. Men won't work or do what you want if they're in a constant state of sexual frustration. Nobody is arguing that women should have complete and unnegotiable control of their bodies. That should be a given. The point is that the right for body autonomy goes out the window as soon as it affects things for a large group of people …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 04:50 PM
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How.....how did you miss his point? He's not opposing you. He's telling you that "moral obligation" does not matter if it doesn't benefit does who are truly in charge. Women have always had issues. But none got resolved until after Baby Boomers. Then slowly shit got better for them and now in western countries of the year 2021 women have it the best they have EVER had. Not because their bodies or rights mattered, but because there were too many people and giving women choices, protection, and in…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 04:37 PM
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The entire war with the middle east is a whole other conservation. Where in short we never should of gotten into it. We are talking about nukes. And how that affects the draft. The only answer is that we would still probably need it because nobody is going to nuke anybody unless they're crazy and stupid.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/21 09:17 PM
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They didn't throw nukes. Also nukes were literally JUST introduced. It took a while for the world to make sense of it and realized we might have gone too far. I ask you this. Why didn't the U.S just throw a nuke to the middle east after 9/11?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/21 01:10 AM
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Attack the U.S? Nah. Have every country on Earth force the U.S to dismantle all their nukes and their capabilities. And after that they'd probably stop trading with it and try to cripple it economically. Also probably label the U.S as monsters for the rest of however long the U.S lasts. Plus refusing to work with U.S politicians? Yep. NOBODY. Would let it stand. Nukes are scare tactics nowadays. The moment anyone uses them you'll have that country be destroyed economically, politically, and what…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/12/21 09:48 PM
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Can you name one country with nukes that has been invaded? None. For very good reasons. And I wasnt saying that a country would attack with nukes and then not get annihilated somehow. It really seems like you did. But I'll take your word on it. My point is that no country can attack with regular weapons a country with nukes Yes it can. As soon as that country that has no nukes gets blown, then every other country across the ENTIRE earth that has nukes will get involved. Say some non-nuke owning …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/12/21 01:48 AM
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are you kidding me? No, I'm not. That's how much bigger of a threat a nuke is. Go find me anything that cause a nukes level of destruction and causes it at the same rate AND has the same lasting after affects. Go ahead, I'll wait. That being said. In your scenario, what would most likely happen is that every other country we ever allied with would declare war on us (ya know, since France is an ally). We would then surrender and face whatever consequences. No nukes involved. The moment ANYONE thr…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/12/21 01:10 AM
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That's like saying that a kid bullied would not use a gun to kill a bully rushing at him with a machete because they know they may go to prison for that. Not even close. Listen, we allow war to happen all across the world. They may be a bully, but he doesn't have a machete. In comparison on how we treat nations that are at war and how other nations treat us when we are at war the analogy should be more like this: A kid being bullied by someone that was calling them names pulls out a tank and sta…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/12/21 12:55 AM
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Give it a minute
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 09:43 AM
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And why is it that they don't show? Why does the majority lose? The Court system isn't against men. For this statement to be true we'd probably have to assume that most men don't particularly care for their kids. That they're fine with the outcome. I ummm have my doubts.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 04:51 PM
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That's the thing though. There's hardly any formers. There isn't many ors, especially since most cases get handled before the court room. If anything it's an addition, it's an and. So really it's "Mhm 2 hours of missed work plus gas to commute to court AND automatic 18 years worth child support?" Next case please.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/21 10:33 PM
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Time from work and kids, commute, lawyer fees. Nothing costs nothing, not even nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/21 09:00 PM
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Same rate different amount of hours. Barely saw dad because he was always in a meeting with the lawyer, by the time he realized it was a losing battle he was almost broke. At the end he opted to spend more time with me rather than having to consistently fork over money to the lawyer. Since men have an uphill battle they take up more time from the lawyer, which ends up costing more. Essentially they pay to lose.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/21 08:56 PM
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Far more men use sexual coercion and sexual manipulation than women do. I would say far more men coerce women into HAVING sex. But using sex to coerce people into doing shit that they don't want to? By far more women. Manipulating people via sex? By far more women. If we were talking about men manipulating and coercing women into having sex, then you would be absolutely correct no point in contesting it. But that's another conversation. Go into any women’s spaces and you’ll see that they are man…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/21 11:02 PM
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Bullshit. A slut isn't called that for being a player or heartless or cruel. I heavily disagree, but I guess we walk in different circles so we may not see the same thing. Just because you're not experiencing it doesn't mean it isn't happening. Many men have that exact harmful behavior and society praises it or says "naughty naughty" with a little wink. Reason for this is because there's not that many of them. People don't really see this as a real problem that is affecting a lot of people. So t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/21 10:42 PM
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How many is considered multiple? 2, 3, 10, 50? Is there a timeframe for this? Like 3 people in one week? Or is 3 people in one year just as bad? Depends on where your from and what social circles your in. But it can probably be unanimously be agreed that 50 bodies does make you pretty slutty. Women are harming people by having sex? I’m not following that logic. No. Women are manipulating, coercing, betraying, and just being all kinds of nasty and their using sex as their means to do it. Men do t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/21 10:32 PM
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By like strict definition it's just someone who has multiple partners. The way people use it is completely different. Often it's given to a person who takes advantage of people by putting sex on the table. Or someone who sleeps with people without discretion and cares nothing for how the individuals they sleep feel. There are a couple of other uses, but that's what comes to mind. Why should women be called a derogatory term? Because their behavior has harmed enough people that people have decide…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/21 10:01 AM
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How....how did you even.....are you responding to someone else? You are devaluing my experience and and experience of millions of people How? I said that what you wrote doesn't really come across the way you intended, but I'd give the benefit of doubt since I don't know you and you could really mean what you say you do. suggest me convincing you I didn't ask to be convinced. I was asking for your perspective. Your way of looking at things. Essentially, I was seeking conversation into something n…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/21 05:13 PM
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Really doesn't come off that way. But fuck it, I'll assume you do. What does a healthy and stable relationship look like to you? Also, in what way would your partner benefit?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/21 12:51 PM
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Sorry for responding late, but got busy with work. But this part I think is a little e bit more nuance than we think. And just because women have the ability to do that, doesn't mean a victim of that now has the right to be, or is even likly to become a misogonist. If someone hits you. Are you not allowed to be angry? I don't agree with the concept that just because one person did you wrong, you can now hate everyone associated with that person. Wether it be race, gender or whatever. But the pro…
/r/MensRights28/09/21 12:20 PM
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When you end up exploiting you're partner. Yeah, it kinda is. Do not be in a relationship if everything about it boils down to your own self interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/21 04:11 PM
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Slight talent? C'mon. I loved the Revenant.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/21 03:00 PM
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I'm inclined to disagree given the fact that if anyone even suspects of you mistreating, hurting, abusing, disrespecting, or exploiting women then it's pretty much game over. If I'm gonna be honest the hate towards men came first, because you can get away with it and if you're smart you can now exploit him or leave him to the crows.
/r/MensRights27/09/21 04:13 AM
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Support and love can be from friends, family, community, etc. I find that these usually have their limits. There's only so much you can ask before they're unwilling to help. You can ask a lot more from your partner. Only problem with that is that it can get explosive and manipulative if you keep asking for so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 09:33 PM
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Trying to apply it to one factor and ignoring all others is disingenuous, Fair I guess. But I do say consider the fact that there are people who only has have this one factor...and they still kill themselves. Anyway, I'm not really ignoring all other factors. I'm pointing out that many people have suicidal ideations, depression, and anger over not having a relationship. I'm highlighting death because I want to point out how serious it is for so many people. That this isn't something you can expl…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 07:48 PM
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It's not a fix. Just something that can really help you out when you need someone to support you and love you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 07:40 PM
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What is the question here? Ultimately. Can people live without romantic relationships. Pretty much everyone doesn't want to be by themselves and pretty much the bigger chunk of the population can't without wanting to kill themselves. It's why solitary confinement is a punishment. That's the whole point. Rely on yourself to be happy and not a romantic relationship because they're fragile anyway. There's no magic fix. Romantic relationships can be insanely strong. Make people wake up in the mornin…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 07:40 PM
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That one of the biggest messages men have ever gotten from women is #KillAllMen and #Ihatemen. The internet can bring a large audience together and when it brought women together that's what they said. That's the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 07:32 PM
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And you can be single and be lonely. The existing of one thing doesn't negate the other and doesn't stop people from wanting a relationship. Go ahead and tell someone single and lonely that they can be single and not lonely. How effective is this?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 07:26 PM
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Ever noticed that people who live with a bunch of pets tend to be lonely and are using those very same pets to stave off lonelyness. Pets are great. I get that. But for a lot of people they're often used to fill a need a partnership and for a good amount of people pets only do so much. Overall basic companionship is great and it can be fulfilled by many things. Still doesn't really negate the want (more of a need if we're gonna be honest) for a more intimate relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 07:24 PM
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It's fine. It's mine too.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 07:21 PM
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I agree. But they shouldn’t. Great that solves everything doesn't it. To elaborate on the difference. You can live your life and be at peace with it. Make it something worthwhile. Doesn't mean you won't die with regrets and unfinished plans that haunt you. For a lot of people relationships is one of those regrets if it never happens. Because I was before? I’ve had long term relationships in the past that ended. Why is this such a hard concept? It's not a hard concept. Problem is many people don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 07:20 PM
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Disingenuous? Nah, it's honest. It's very much a thing and a factor to consider. Why ignore this?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 07:14 PM
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Also note that if you're suicidal a relationship isn't going to be the miracle fix for that. Eh. I'm willing to put money that is has for more than a good amount of people. It's not that people can't be happy while single. It's the fact that so many who are single are miserable and depressed. Same with people in a relationship, but overall it can be said a relationship is a positive thing that keeps your life on track.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 07:13 PM
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Idk man, sounds like one wicked waffle maker. It be devastating to let that go.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 09:41 AM
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Except I kinda am. Too many people kill themselves over it, concerned themselves over it, and worry over it......seems um.....rather important. Look I'm not here to say you won't find enjoyment by yourself. But fulfillment? That's another story all together. Really what makes you think you can be unquestionably happy all by yourself? Why would other people not be part of that?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 02:16 AM
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Fair
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 01:58 AM
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I mean........you say that now
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 01:52 AM
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temporary bouts of incompleteness and sadness. For many this is not temporary, but rather a lot more permanent. I'm just acknowledging that single people can be happy. Oh they exist. Just in comparatively few to none numbers. You seem to really want a relationship man, you would better off focusing on the individual girl that would be best for you than debating. There's no way to get through to you. Oh I've got one. That's why are ague that you're wrong. The best way to get through to me is if y…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 01:51 AM
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And I guess this is the crux of my argument. Can you really compare companionship from friends and family with the companionship from someone you love?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 01:45 AM
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This idea only works if the concept of lonelyness doesn't exist. Giving how many people have killed themselves over it. I'd like to disagree with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 01:41 AM
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Fair enough
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 01:36 AM
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But is that adding or filling in what's missing?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 01:36 AM
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Self respect is always important. But we can always be better when we're with someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 01:35 AM
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I get that. But you say relationships add instead of fill to what's missing. I ask what exactly do they add that you weren't missing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 01:33 AM
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simply being in a relationship. I wouldn't exactly call relationships being all that simple. Especially how intimate they can be. Mental health is a real pandemic right now, and we aren’t terribly good at recognizing and treating problems. Agreed. I'd say forming relationships is a good place to start.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 01:30 AM
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I can, I just hope you can see from the fences.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 01:16 AM
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What are you missing? And if you fill it. What would you add?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 01:13 AM
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All I can really say that unhappiness is indiscriminate. It'll kick your teeth out and won't care how you feel about yourself. Which is why we have partners in life. Not to say to become codependent, but rather there many benefits in finding someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 01:11 AM
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I think people can be happy without significant romantic relationships. I think you still need purpose and companionship, even if the companionship just comes from friends. I'd like to believe you except the suicides (those personal to me and in statistics) would like to violently scream that you're wrong. Happiness is a standard of living. Without it people would rather die. I also believe a bad relationship is worse than no relationship. Agreed. A good relationship is a fulfilling part of life…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 01:08 AM
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That doesn't really sound right. You don't look because you're greedy and want to add. You look because you're missing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 01:02 AM
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Unless you're a monk it's not really worked out all that great has it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 01:01 AM
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Policies? Policies that govern human behavior is usually frowned upon, it's why people are divided on it. It's more attitude and expectations that enforce this. But on the topic of liberalism. To be happy to to have who you have around you. Not always the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 12:59 AM
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Don't quit. Trust me on this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 12:48 AM
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I would say the dynamic my boyfriend had with his cousin is a common occurrence. What are you doing step cousin I'm sorry. I know it's juvenile. But I couldn't help myself. My boyfriend's relationship to me is special because we actively work to keep each other in our lives and to make our lives more and more intertwined. It's special because we have a history together, because we can trust each other more than anyone else. I don't really see how you're disapproving the importance of relationshi…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 12:47 AM
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Oh sorry, I meant I don’t believe people who achieve that are just coping. I believe in coping mechanisms of course. What would you call it? Most are truly seeking relationships. So coping seems appropriate.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 12:36 AM
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It's fine to have boundaries and work on internal issues. Give up on romance? Blasphemy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 12:34 AM
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How so? Many people kill themselves over this. Are depressed over this. Concerned themselves with this. Single tends to mean without a partner, you think it's reasonable to tell people to go without?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 12:31 AM
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It's much better than chasing the affection and validation of women who don't care about me. Oh this is true. Don't get me wrong that's a good fucking choice, but hear me out. Imagine if a woman was kind to you. Loved you. Was affectionate. Cared for you. How'd you feel then? What about Japan though, they have the lowest rates and are still productive as a country overall. Japan has a suicide forest. For many reasons. Lonelyness is one of them. Yes, people want to compound their happiness with o…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 12:29 AM
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Coping is a common concept, I just don’t personally believe it is a coping mechanism How? Really how? Like the term coping mechanism was made with the word in mind. Probably a bad way to word it, I do think it’s possible for everyone to achieve that but it’s very hard to accomplish so I don’t think everyone will Sure I'll agree that people will die while being in a state of utter sadness.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 12:15 AM
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I argue the need is so strong people seek them out in most and any kind of relationship they have. That's what makes most relationships intimate and special. Or would you say your boyfriend's relationship with his cousin is just standard? Or is your boyfriend's relationship to you not really all that special? What about those relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 12:10 AM
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Oh I can understand this point of view. It's not that I can't see this perspective, I argue that you're ignoring the other. It's not fine bourbon or a whimsical relationship that I'm pointing to. Let me say this clearly. Do you think it's possible for most people to live without significant romantic relationships? I say no. Why would you say yes? Honestly anyone who says yes to me on their own personal account just doesn't really care for people or relationships in general and that's fine. But t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 12:06 AM
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Fair enough. I won't deny that these people exist though all I can say that they are few in number.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 11:56 PM
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Attention and affection? Sure, but that's not all is it? Even infants have favorites. As they develope those favorites usually have one thing in common. Something truly genuine. Intimacy of a level that can't be disputed or disregard. THAT kind of intimacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 11:54 PM
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Yes to some. I'm kinda referring to the overwhelming majority.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 11:50 PM
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I kinda get where you're going with this and why you'd have this outlook on relationships. I would still say that when you fix whatever is it that you need to fix in you, you will still crave a relationship. I'm honestly convince that this is how most people work. But hey I can be wrong. Do you truly not want one? And why? Of course you don't need to answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 11:49 PM
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What are you made of? Stone? Don't tell me you don't have a heart or some sort of inquisitive nature in you
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 11:45 PM
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I would still disagree. Even infants show a desire to have a form of intimacy. As you grow you realize that having a partner is as close as it gets.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 11:42 PM
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But umm... That's kinda what I'm asking. How do you put happiness on a scale? How do you measure it? Are there different states of it? Yeah. But how do you place them on a scale? I'm kinda saying for concepts such as happiness it's kinda impossible to. Unless of course you have someway to measure it. My bad I thought coping was common concept. Personally I think it's possible for everyone. It's kinda what I hope to be true if I'm honest. But I do take reality into account.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 11:40 PM
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Are you saying it's impossible to be happy without a relationship? For the most part yeah, God knows me and so many others tried to do the impossible. Wouldn't the happy singles be proof that it's possible? For how long? Ask them how long they want to stay there. How many want to be there. If they wanted more. Honestly there's so many questions on why anyone should remain single that most people would agree that they rather not. Also even if they genuinely do. These are not most people. That muc…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 11:34 PM
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I would say most want the intimacy and relate sex towards it. I understand everything is different, but this is what I believe the goal for most people is set towards to.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 11:28 PM
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It's not that you need to be sorry. Though I do appreciate it. It's what does relationships mean to people. Friends are great, but for most people a partner is what is needed to fill the hole.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 11:26 PM
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I would disagree. Cope is an alternative to what you couldn't achieve. Happiness is more of an end state. Look at what each word means and how people interpret these words . It's not about biased judgement, it's about what you have in the end.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 11:23 PM
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I’d go by definitions, especially on a word so common as gradation. The strict definition doesn't really fit here. "the action of dividing into degrees or other proportionate divisions on a graduated scale." How exactly would you divided happiness? If you believe so. I also never said it was the norm. Never mentioned how common it occurs. You don't really need to mention anything. That's how important and how often human relationships occur. Whether that be platonic, friendly, professional, roma…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 11:19 PM
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I disagree. While I'd love to have kids it's not an absolute must in order to form romantic relationships. I think most people can agree to that. The goal of having kids doesn't need to be fulfilled in order for me to love someone. Thoughts?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 11:11 PM
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Alrighty then
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 11:09 PM
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The point I'm making is that does fulfill the level of intimacy that most people crave? Is sex really the goal?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 11:08 PM
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And I'm telling you as someone who's live without anyone. Who got adopted as an infant and ran from home to home. Trust me. It means that much. Just....... trust me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 11:06 PM
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Never heard it used in that context. I argue it's very common as it fits to the person you made the link to. There's a gradation in "happiness". You can be contented with your life without a partner. If you can't, that's an issue as it makes you an easy target for people who'd like to use you. Nah, this is a coping mechanism. To pretend that you don't need a life partner seems utterly facetious. I won't deny that these individuals exist, but it's dishonest to think them the norm. Would you mind …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 11:03 PM
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I get what you mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 10:54 PM
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I would disagree. I think they learned to cope. Human beings live for relationships. Romantic ones all the more so
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 10:53 PM
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This kinda makes human relationships (particularly romantic ones) as a bottom tier. As a secondary that can be live without as long as you have other forms. Sigh Listen. To some people that's a possibility. To most you're asking to endure for something you weren't meant to. To force to be something that you don't want to be. Don't underplay romantic relationships. Trust me they mean that much to most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 10:51 PM
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Why if I may ask?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 10:45 PM
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You say that like it isn't significant. Like most people wouldn't ponder or balk or worry or be concerned at such a thought. You made of stone or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 10:44 PM
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What does gradation mean then? In this term? The completion of acts or study in order to attain a certain state. She didn’t say graduation. Who exactly are you referring to because someone certainly did. I’m not, check my other comment, I’ve lived through it. I understand though. I didn’t get it when I was depressed Congratulations, I got the exact opposite. Who's experience is more credible, yours or mire? I instead would ask to ask you to be more reasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 10:42 PM
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Um...how to put this. No. You miss the point. If we're >social creatures. Then how exactly dow we live without each other? It's naive to think we can live alone and for very (and I mean very) few can do this. What exactly are you suggesting? Go find yourself, but as soon as you do meet someone? Sounds....telling at the bare minimum.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 10:32 PM
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Again. How convenient. It's almost as if people need people or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 10:26 PM
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Is all intimacy romantic though? For the most part. Mostly anything else is unsatisfactory for most people. Really how pleasant is getting your dick wet get you? Is it really fulfilling? Or are you staving of a need in order to get something more?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 10:25 PM
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This isn't about a perfect world it's what is feasible. Achieving happiness within a void of lonelyness seems irrational. I understand codependence is a thing, but why is that the only option when dealing with other people? Is it not a sane solution to rely on people for happiness? Truly how far do you think you can get by your self?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 10:21 PM
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We're not talking about luxuries, we're talking about if human relationships (particularly romantic one) are a need.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 10:16 PM
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No. The person above isn't really speaking of a spectrum, but more of a natural progression. If anything you seem to be in agreeance with OP. How can you attain happiness while being completely alone for most of your life?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 10:15 PM
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Just.....just...roll with it. Alright? Pretend that you need no one. Pretend that there really is no need for having anyone. Live like that for the rest of your life and make the same statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 10:11 PM
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Then pretend it never happened. Things would be fine tight?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 10:08 PM
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OP’s thought experiment sucks because it presumes that losing a part of your life is the same thing as never having had it. It also sucks because it presumes a binary form of happiness where if a game show constant jumps for joy at having won a new car that means they weren’t happy before they won it. Then go ahead. Have someone be utterly alone from the very beginning of their life, having no basic concept of companionship. See if they don't turn depressing and miserable. By all means put someo…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 10:01 PM
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Glad you understand and agree
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 09:55 PM
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OP is basically asking to live like that. Live without your girlfriend. For life. Do that and then tell us how happy you are. Tell us, how would that feel?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 09:53 PM
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So you don't need multiple people for that? I understand being content. But happiness? That's a whole other issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 09:51 PM
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Sure, but what OP is eluding to is to fullness. What exactly do you do to graduate from happiness? Also there's an extent to happiness. What is the next level of happiness if not fulfilment? What is the goal here?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 09:49 PM
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I'm not OP but I'm curious as to how this conversation will go. I'll admit that very few certain type of people can live with absolutely nobody, this although does not apply to the vast majority of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 09:44 PM
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If they need a relationship to be happy, then they will never have a good relationship. Prove this platitude. It will be a relationship of codependency. Really? Why can't it be egalitarian? I need you just as much as you need me. Why is that not an option? You cannot have a good relationship with someone who is codependent, nor should you have a relationship with a person like that. Someone will get hurt whether it be their partner trying to satisfy the needs of their codependent partner or the …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 09:39 PM
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This come from a person who didn't really have a father figure or a romantic life for the most part. It doesn't matter that it's fair or not. What matters is that if that is reasonable to ask someone. Is it reasonable to ask someone someone to live utterly alone? Forget that women liked it or that you found your wife. Is it reasonable to make someone stay as happy as you were before you found your wife? You know I'd be fine with the bullshit you people fed us if you weren't such hypocrites. To a…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 09:29 PM
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Well shit idk how to tell you this except that sex involves a level of intimacy. Which again involves romantic relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 09:19 PM
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Is it? Why if I may be so bold to ask?.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 09:17 PM
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Graduation? Whom exactly decided that?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 09:16 PM
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He isn't, he's asking what's the point of advice that basically says to not rely on other people or what they think and just focus on your self.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 09:15 PM
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And OP is arguing that relationship with people in general is truly important. That being utterly alone is a torture that most can't withstand.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 09:13 PM
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She already proved she can be perfectly happy alone, by doing so for 7 years. And yet she's with someone. Truly. How convenient.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 09:10 PM
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Nah. OP is being very direct. If there's no need. Then live without it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 09:09 PM
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Lucky you. Welcome to the Internet have a look around.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 09:06 PM
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You're not wrong, but he still has a point. The fact that we can interact at this scale is kinda telling that he's right
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 09:04 PM
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Oh that's the best part part. Either conservative or liberal, the ideology is stupid. So yes, the "be grateful for what you have and always do the right thing no matter how detrimental that might be to you" and the "pull yourself by your bootstraps" are both fucking miserable. Actually I respect the bootstrap method because I at least know what I'm getting myself into and I know it will always depend on how I do.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 08:58 PM
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Our sons and bros aren't dangerous. If you keep raising them with that idea they become self deprecating. Like what makes you think they'll turn out that way? Look people in general are dangerous. But you can't live life with the expectation that they're out to get you. Hardly anyone cares enough or knows you enough to go ahead and harm you for no reason. Why group everyday men and dangerous men in the same bracket?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 06:32 PM
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You are discriminating them because they're men. Which is sexist. This whole men are a danger to women needs to go.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 03:08 PM
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Except no one ever pointed a finger at a random guy and said ew he's an evil rapist. I mean go look at Twitter and search up the allmenaretrash hashtag. Us being wary of random guys at night shouldn't be insulting to them at all. The only instance they could be insulted by that is if they feel entitled. Oh you're familiar with Twitter. Here let me rephrase that in a way so you can understand that in no way is it ever okay to randomly target a demographic of shit you might think they did or do. U…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 11:10 AM
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So what do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 08:40 AM
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To be fair. So do we. Both men and women cheat equally.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 11:17 PM
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Well if you vetted and dated and chose right then hopefully you can work on your marriage instead of bouncing out. There's a lot of steps before we get to divorce. See why she wants it open. See if you want it open (probably not). Basically see what you can do. Don't limit your options to divorce. Just because everyone else is getting divorced doesn't mean you have to.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 03:35 PM
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Then that's unhealthy. Keep it moving. These people are most likely never not gonna give a fuck about you. Time to find better options, regardless if you're 20 or 70. Look at your options and see what's available.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 06:09 AM
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Yeah. They legally and literally relinquish responsibility to other people who say the will take responsibility, and there's consequences for them too. Your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 05:25 AM
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Other people have no responsibility nor obligation for you. Obviously because they're random strangers. Quite literally since the day you're born you're family is obligated to take care of you. If they don't rhen we have laws in place to punish them and to help you. If you live in a country without such laws then yeah you might be out of luck (technically there's not many of them). Technically when you turn 18 your family is free from you, but that isn't how most people have built they're social…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 05:20 AM
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My wife does what she wants with her money. I'll do what I want with mine. If we both agreed to share we talk about how the new found wealth SHE aquire is supposed to be treated. It's ultimately her's. So it's up to her if I see a penny of it. Doesn't matter if I'm sick for the past year. She can very much choose to make most of the decisions and I'd probably have nothing to complain about. Shit if we're gonna go on healthy logical progression of that much wealth then we could invest, go on vaca…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 05:04 AM
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But why though? Come on. Gives us a good one before you go.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 04:12 AM
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If that were true parenthood wouldn't really be a thing. Nor would the concept of family for that matter. Are these things non-existent.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 04:09 AM
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Nah. Stay with us a minute. Wether you believe it or not, we want you here.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 04:08 AM
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Because drowning kills you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 04:02 AM
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Or... and hear me out. You marry someone right and you had a good marriage. Maybe kids or some shit. Why is this not an option?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 03:56 AM
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They're not exactly "other people" are they?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 03:39 AM
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It's not that his opinions are inferior. For in fact he could be more knowledgeable and have a far better experience in a situation than you. Nor is it that he needs to submit to you. It's that: I had to do more of the heavy lifting financially and around the house YOU carry the burden. If anything goes horribly wrong (god forbid) it is YOU who has to deal with it. The house needs maintenance. The kids need a tutor during COVID. The car broke down. Mom and dad aren't doing so great. These are no…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 03:37 AM
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Eh, I'm a sucker for standing up for family. The love for family, what else is there to do?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 03:05 AM
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Then that's different. If you were ALWAYS the primary then you would always be the one with the majority of the burden. You're husband had health issues, but now he can go back to work. He is now more equal to you in handling financial burden and consequences. He can help you and you him if needed. But if it wasn't like this and the year turned into a decade (or progressed to just 3 years) you really think it wouldn't be different? That your husband wouldn't say 'hey I'm still sick, you're handl…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 03:00 AM
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That's not everything. The absolute worst is when you did you're absolute best and changed as much as you could to make the desire outcome come true, and you still failed. Then you did it again and still got told no. And you do that again, and again, and again, and again. The red pill has some advice on this. To weigh the effort and cost you give against the outcome of what you want. If it's too much. Then don't bother. Honestly that's healthy. What I don't agree with is the things on which it s…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 02:49 AM
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It isn't. But if you love your family what else you gonna do?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 02:39 AM
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That is not true. They depend on you because you're the one who has the most to offer. Ergo the one who has the most to offer, has the most to lose. I don't know your circumstances, but if they were like mine inflation eventually caught up and fucked everyone. Look I agree that a family should be together. Should struggle and prosper together. But if we're being honest, when it comes for times to struggle you are suffering the most because you're doing everything within your power to prosper. Wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 02:38 AM
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Eh. Spiral into depression and alcoholism? Hurray Chad!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 02:27 AM
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Not exactly. I could be wrong, but a constant optimistic view on a bleak future (particularly to a future that has consistently proven to be miserable) just leads to delusion. Same with a situation in which you don't know much about, but hope it turns out well. -That girl rejected you. Don't worry it, she might change her mind. Or who knows? Someone who is actually good for you will say yes. -Man I've never met these people before, but hopefully I can be friends with them. *Ends up completely al…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 02:24 AM
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If we're gonna be a bit more literal on that analogy it's usually because the captain owns the ship and is ultimately responsible for everything with it and on it. Not to say he isn't experience, he should be. That being said, the first mate could totally know WAY more and by FAR have the superior experience. Thing is though, he doesn't share the same amount of responsibility as the captain. He doesn't own the ship. It's up to the captain to decide what has to be done because all the consequence…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 01:58 AM
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True. But she's probably still lonely and miserable. Where in there does getting laid consistently equate to a good relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/21 11:36 PM
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True. But that doesn't equate to a good relationship. Congratulations buddy, you got your dick wet. But what now? Is she going to like you as a person? Will there be contempt and dissatisfaction? Will there be anything more besides the fact that you got to fuck her? Ultimately this as a loss. You got intimate with someone you probably had contempt for and they probably hate you now. Making your life just a little bit more miserable with the botched relationship you just made. Nice job.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/21 11:34 PM
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You acknowledge the cushion is there but you are unwilling to acknowledge that the cushion has an effect on lessening consequences. I agree it can. What I don't agree is the degree of which it can lessen it and the amount of people who can provide a suitable cushion. None but a comparatively select few ever really have it that good. As to your example. It's a little too simple. Yeah the one person could have spousal support. But a divorce is probably soon around the corner. Divorce is rampant in…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 01:13 PM
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I would disagree with this in most cases. Consequences don't discriminate, they get everyone. People on the other hand do. I think it's more that women do get hit hard, it's just people have more sympathy for them and are willing to help them when they're down. That doesn't apply much to men. Women do learn from consequences. Thing is they can get help. You're an unemployed women? You can move back in with your parents. This isn't offered to most men. I don't agree with feminist on a lot of thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 08:44 PM
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And I know that the genuinely good men do not realize how bad the bad men are. Because when I tell these men some of the things I as a woman have personally experienced (I am a female lawyer) at work from bosses, on the street on dates etc they are legitimately in shock and appalled. I think this more within your own circle and community. Go to a predominantly black/latino neighborhood or school. We never found this surprising. We were also disgusted by it, moreso because we know these men. We l…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 08:37 PM
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I am proud of who I am. What I hate is how I got there. I can't deny that a lot of the unfairness, violence, and mistreatment had some lessons in it that I will never forget, but holy shit we all could if learned differently.
/r/MensRights06/08/21 07:39 PM
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What makes you say that? How is this the truth? I get you're saying a lot of men go unchecked for what should be reprehensible behavior. Thinking they're alright when in reality they're not because nobody calls the out on it. But that flies in the face of what's probably the experience of the majority of men. Guys get punished often. From cradle to grave that is a constant reality. For women too, but often in less severe ways. The whole statistic that men get punished more for the same crime is …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 07:20 PM
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That hit me right in the childhood
/r/MensRights06/08/21 07:01 PM
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I'm pretty sure they're on the same page. Like where's the difference? Why you splitting hairs on it? Honestly this has always been true to me. The two types of guys that always seemed to get laid the most were married guys and assholes. This piece of data the guy just showed is pretty key evidence to domestic violence cases, the disdain incels have on women, and the mistreatment MANY women face at the hands of men. This could be confirmation bias, but I'm willing to bet I'm not. Like it's a com…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 05:51 PM
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This is what I think people who say makeup is lying is thinking about. It's a pretty significant difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/21 09:45 AM
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These aren't honest truths that would make people turn away from the Red Pill. These are open threats. That will likely be met with hostility. This helps no one. Dad if you don't stop what you're doing I'll make sure you don't see your grandchildren. Which by all means OP has a right to. Doesn't really stop it from being a threat. Dad if you don't stop what you're doing I won't help you when you get old. Personally I doubt the man would care. But it's very much a threat. Dad if you don't stop wh…
/r/ExRedPill04/06/21 01:22 AM
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I know the guy you're responding too is acting like an ass, but I think he may be ultimately right. By and large the whole hugging or touching other men concept is destined to crash and burn. Worse part about it is that you probably can't even normalize this. While many men do want to hug or get hugged it's usually more of a rare moment. Gentleman really ask yourselves how often you needed a hug or to be touched? The truth is it's not that often, the problem is that you don't get any when you do…
/r/MensRights23/05/21 06:10 PM
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The thing is...yeah. Someone this distraught and fucking guilty usually doesn't come to reddit for answers to fix his mistakes. But then again social media is so fucking ingrained into people that you'll see them posting or straight up confessing to things of a personal nature. It wouldn't surprise me if this was all 100% true. Every last word of it. And the guy was in such a loss for making such a fuck up that he turned towards the internet for help. He probably doesn't want to go with his fami…
/r/MensRights23/05/21 05:48 PM
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Equality of results? Nah, I don't expect that. The results as they are right now are just unacceptable. I want them to be better. For boys to have better help, which OP kinda points out is barely any help at all. As to the systems in place to help lagging students. Idk where you from, but I've barely seen any sign of them. Particularly in high school the response always was "you better start getting better or you better start thinking of moving to another school." The transfer students usually c…
/r/MensRights07/05/21 06:30 PM
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Unless I misread OP didn't suggest in any regard to worsen the position for women. But rather improve them for young boys since they have a tendency to do poorly, drop out, and in general just be uninterested in school. He just made a point that the girls get treated better, doesn't mean we can't continue the treatment as long as the boys get the same thing. Ergo equality. Also I can't help but think that obedience being the major factor for success in school seems to be a dangerous thing to do.…
/r/MensRights07/05/21 12:25 AM
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That really means nothing to the vast majority of men who have backbreaking labor as a job. Also most of those CEOs have wives that live good and comfortable lives. Which comes from the shitty side of our society that tells women that to receive that level of comfortability you have to marry into it and there isn't much space for you to do it on your own. But it's a moot point considering that being a CEO is hard as fuck to be and John is probably gonna have the same chance at it as Sarah. Also …
/r/MensRights03/05/21 01:09 AM
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The rich guy who's making money off of other men's back. It's not really men's fault our society is the way it is (well for some things we are) it's mostly the rich assholes that exploited everyone else. And women just so happen to want to marry that asshole.
/r/MensRights03/05/21 12:54 AM
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