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Technically this is true. The question then becomes about probability, which it is more probable that there are better outcomes with more money; because more money grants access to higher levels of Maslow's hierarchy of needs. But given most people maybe can't be UMC, the question changes again to become, how do we get healthy family dynamics in the lower classes?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 12:03 AM
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After the humiliation of multiple breakups and far more rejections than the 1 or 2 "yes"s that end in breakup despite putting your whole heart into them, do you not see how jumping through hoops for an extremely picky class of people deflates one's optimism? Also, "competing for mate selection" is something animals do. Most people are taught that the human capacity for love is beyond that of animals
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 10:18 AM
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Doesn't this exist for marraige? Or it should be relaxed to allow for a less committed situation?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 04:16 PM
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Attraction is a biological drive, acting it on it doesn't inherently say anything about a person's values. That's part of why it isn't necessary Are you asking this in the spirit of debate or do you genuinely not understand the concept of happiness? I would say that in modern culture, it is something along the lines of "user satisfaction" It would suck to spending it trying to force yourself into a mold that makes you unhappy and then die. Yet this is what we demand of most people anyway, except…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 12:16 PM
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Being unhappy about settling or trying to force something that doesn't work doesn't mean you don't value connection, family, and building worth. Depends on how much you value that in relation to other things is what I'm saying. People aren't interchangeable puzzle pieces, I don't believe we should look at others as puzzle pieces at all. It's dehumanizing. People aren't interchangeable puzzle pieces, you can't will your way into a happy relationship with just anybody because you want it to work. …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 10:10 AM
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I think what makes it more or less of a slippery slope to resentment is our cultural attitude towards and way of life regarding personal worth, the value we place on building worth with someone or the pride we take helping someone further build their identity with us, and the value we place on family. I think placing a high value things like that can create a more forgiving envieonment for forming relationships and trying to find ways to make it work
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 10:19 PM
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First thing people do when they get educated is have fewer kids. It would be a combination of education and a cultural prioritization of family and seeing worth in one another. And that last part is needed, birthrate risk or not
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 09:42 PM
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Anyway I still don't buy it because there's actually enough food to go around. Why can't we just invest in educating everyone. More educated people are almost always better than fewer. That would seem like the simpler solution especially drive innovation than your misanthropic idea
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 11:33 AM
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If you're already with him, and you're not poly, that might explain it. Plus you're a woman so, less testosterone can mean less innate capacity for attraction
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 09:12 AM
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“ This donation, Musk's largest ever to higher education, established a research group called the Population Wellbeing Initiative.” Ok good I stand corrected. Twitter was 40 billion
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 10:12 PM
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Like the way you don't read your own links? Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 09:59 PM
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If fewer people can be safer, less likely to be a casualty of war, more efficient and less expensive..is that not a win? What bizarre thinking that it’s better to have more men in more danger at an increased cost Fight a war with fewer people Elites and Elon Musk want population decline? I’m speechless. Collapse. As in accellerationism Yes Musk is spending billions on getting people to make more children I said funding research, not simply donating to a pronatalist organization. Also 10 million …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 09:45 PM
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Those are all current conflict zones. Your correlation between population decline and armed conflict seems weak at best and is likely the inverse. I was pointing to an increase in tensions. Not whether or not conflict exists. hence fewer overall people needed to enlist. Ok, have fewer people defending your country Hilarious you think I’m elitist…but Elon is a man of the people 🤣 Didn't say he was. Is he funding his billions into birthrate/fertility research? If anything, there's a theory that el…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 08:58 PM
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Syria…2.7, Sudan 4.3, Afghanistan 4.8, Congo 6.8 Those places have increased tensions? Fighter pilot training takes approximately three to four years from commissioning to becoming combat-ready Training to become an Air Force RPA pilot, who fly large, advanced systems like the MQ-9 Reaper, generally takes around one year. That’s less human capital needed, not more. What? I don't see how that supports your point If you are a climate denier I can’t reason with you. You're allowed to have your opin…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 08:14 PM
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Extract resources? Like oil and coal? How’s that working out? Silicon, water, electricity, any recource There are your future innovators and entrepreneurs ⬆️ When people have fewer kids their educational outcomes are better. By the time they grow up, they'll probably tell you we need more people I think we are already fighting wars with drones. Someone has to program/operate drones Alliances, technology and diplomacy create peace, not having more human meat shields. Our biggest threats, China an…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 05:29 PM
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Yeah some people just click. Just like some people are born wealthier or hit a high lottery. Doesn't make wealthier people the chosen ones
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 03:04 PM
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You forgot the part where we have the actually have the capacity to be much healthier and much more productive for much longer. So thats about a handful of decades, then we die. And? Fewer people also means less energy, less resources needed. It doesn't necessarily mean we use less energy depending on the source. But more people make it even possible to extract the resources needed to produce high energy Gambia has a much denser population and higher birth rate than Switzerland, yet it’s hardly …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 11:46 AM
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I would introspect more and research more in your position. You wouldn't want people preaching a religion to you based on personal anecdotes while allowing you no room to investigate those anecdotes
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 11:21 AM
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Sounds like there's more to it
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 11:10 AM
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There's plenty research on it. Immigration isn't a perminent solution because when they have kids, the kids grow up to have less kids and so on. It's a cultural problem. There will be less people to pay into government programs that I assume you agree are needed unless you're libertarian. Less people = less human ingenuity. Less people = less people needing what you need, meaning less solutions being made. I'm really not confident in AI just yet, especially mere LLMs. But it's pretty simple. Wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 09:12 AM
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How much is too much
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 07:42 AM
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Did you ask him out?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 07:41 AM
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Right, so he doesn't have too much weight, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 07:33 AM
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My palet is HIM only That happens even to a lot of men, people who have far more testosterone, when in a serious relationship or some kind of limerence. That's totally normal. I can't find any logical reason. Is he financially insecure, do you feel he is safe, etc. He doesn't have to be the most attractive, just committed. Same with men. I can find logical reasons, but what do you mean by logical
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 07:31 AM
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our basic biology is identical. But our social and physical enviornments are not. There are always tradeoffs The sky is not falling. The birthrates are falling and taking everyone down with them, including the sky I will sadly say that the most physically pleasurable thing in life….sex…is in decline Paradoxically, I might add
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 07:09 AM
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Also a guy having some extra weight if he's taller can exaggerate a sense of sexual dimorphism. It can make a woman feel "smaller" which can be attractive to a woman
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 12:38 AM
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Maybe prioritizing lust in that way probably works for the hunter gatherers, people who were technologically and philosophically, even spiritually closer to mother nature than people are today, where the horse was barely tamed, the wheel was barely invented, and might made right. Im not saying lust is unimportant, but with no social or philosophical component to help create, harness, aim, and fire it, we're just going to find ourselves where we are now, socially dysfunctional and on the brink of…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 12:10 AM
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Well yeah the random component is where you spawn. And your nature/nurture orients you towards having certain tastes and biases toward specific races, ethnic features, tax brackets, etc. Personally, I feel like I have agency in attraction. I may have been oriented a certain way, but when it comes to race, personality types, levels of wealth, etc., I try to see the attractiveness in people regardless, for a more moral kind of attraction
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 11:37 PM
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I mean I don't believe in soulmates/twinflames. My personal belief is that there's always something behind our motivations. Maybe you just have a wider pallet than you previously thought
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 11:21 PM
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Thank you for your honesty. I agree with quite a bit of that All romantic attraction is amoral. End of story. We can agree to disagree on this part though. I do think some attractions are definitely less or more moral than others. I think the most moral looks something like a combination of eros, agape, and phileo that largely doesn't overlook opportunities to love a man or woman based on class, worldly acheivement, race, things of that nature. And while it's not like a job hiring though some jo…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 10:39 PM
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Have you tried to dissect it with a therapist? Not that there's anything wrong, but just out of curiosity to learn where it may come from
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 10:07 PM
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Yes like taste. Do you think one's attraction or receptivity to certain vibes is largely predetermined by the nature/nurture of one's early and to some degree subsequent environments? Or is there agency?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 09:54 PM
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But otherwise in general, you'd say race standards are amoral?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 09:39 PM
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The contradiction I see is that if attraction cannot be manufatured, then how is it not set in stone by some combination of nature/nurture. Where does the agency show up?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 09:36 PM
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Do you think there should be a "right" race in terms of one's attraction
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 08:02 PM
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If we can't stimulate or create eros, and thus it can only appear based on how we are oriented into the world, then it just follows that human types and traits that all depend on geography and what family you're born into like socioeconomic class, race, religious background, ethnic features, caste, creed, etc., all determine what brings about eros and thus spousal love between people.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 07:13 PM
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So you believe that even though it's different for everyone (based on where they're raised), attraction, and therefore spousal love, is inseparably bound to types and races and socioeconomic status, caste systems, skin/eye/hair colors etc?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 05:59 PM
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So if it ended, you could only get with another person who is just like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 05:20 PM
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Just exploring something, if you got with the perfect attractive rich guy with the perfect lifestyle, perfect everything, and you're head over heels for the guy in a relationship with him for many years until it ends. Do you think that you could ever see lower status men in a romantic light
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 04:33 PM
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Just checking here, if the woman is 5 years older, are they on the same level?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 04:21 PM
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Except if the guy had a few extra years to find a job and the woman has just graduated
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 04:15 PM
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But youve tried it?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 03:49 PM
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People do that more often than you think
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 03:48 PM
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Well i never said don't love them
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 03:44 PM
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Why do I have to sacrifice my life to prove harmony between different people is possible? Why on earth would I do that? We all have to do that one way or another I am HAPPILY divorced, my kids are HAPPILY living with me, and I don’t want to prove anything to anybody. I'm sorry you went through that. I don't think anyone gets married thinking they'll have to divorce
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 03:39 PM
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Men can do it
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 03:35 PM
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Wouldn't that make families rare and unlikely to occur
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 03:34 PM
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A woman may date a man who’s say 5 years older than her which is technically an older man. I'm referring to these kinds of situations. I think it's patriarchal because an older man is in a better position to lead with what women seem to want
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 03:26 PM
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My idea on the sex piece is that since female arousal is slower and more complicated, allowing for more technique, time, and space for arousal to occur is probably key in crafting a sexual space with someone we aren't initially attracted to. That doesn't mean jump in bed, but maybe practice holding hands or dancing, whatever you know could get you aroused. You wouldn’t do it either or you wouldn’t still be single. Assumption. But it's something I go through in my mind. It is counterintuitive, bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 03:11 PM
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Not sure how that undermines trust once she chooses one. So it doesn't require her to test run relationships, or leave a relationship if she gets the ick one day
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 02:43 PM
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Normal people are not disgusting by and large. Having sex with someone you’re not attracted to is disgusting. Human female arousal is way slower than male arousal. Fair? No one is saying immediately jump in bed with people when you're not aroused. The question becomes, is allowing space for arousal with some one you were not initially attracted to disgusting/unreasonable If exposure was relevant then I would want to have sex with my boss, my male coworkers, my male friends. I. do. not. It's rele…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 02:39 PM
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But perhaps this is the only way out of the problem if women these days do not find the vast majority of men they can land sufficiently sexually desirable. The problem of loneliness and potentially even broken families? Idk, wouldn't this undermine trust and security in relationships? That can't be healthy can it? There's debate about how strong women's Types are vs. generalized female preferences. Is there a subreddit for that?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 02:28 PM
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I think we can always find reasons to break up. It's just how you frame it. Does turbulent mean you need to break up and only fair weather means you should stay together, what does turbulent mean
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 01:55 PM
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Literally no one has agreed with you, I get it’s nice wishful thinking king but you gotta wake up and smell the roses here. Even if that was true which it's obviously not if you look objectively, I'm sure no one would agree with me in nazi germany so that's not a reliable measure of truth you can’t just compromise you way into keeping your relationship. Part of negotiating is communicating so it's not just blindly compromising. we also have a lot more successful people where I live compared to w…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 01:50 PM
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Being an adult is not just about compromising - sounds miserable. It’s about knowing what you want and making it happen with the education and knowledge you gain through life. These things come at costs. That's compromise. You can do these same things in a spousal relationship, can you not. Personally, I think it's about how you frame it no way would I have been happy or still married if I had decided to say fuck it and marry either of my exes. They wanted marraige?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 01:35 PM
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If you think a normal person is disgusting, that's probably some kind of predudice at play or it can give rise to predudices against groups of people. There is some wisdom in disgust, like avoiding contamination, but there is much wisdom beyond it socially, like going from repulsed to neutral, and going from neutral to building bridges like friendship or even attraction or even family
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 01:26 PM
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But I am not a proponent of "lay back and think of London" and obviously r*pe and slavery are off topic. I'm suggesting that there is wisdom in learning to love. That our ideas about love are probably still messed up, and with our freedoms, we should be more willing to build bridges rather than walls
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 01:06 PM
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You only get one life, trying to force yourself to constantly compromise and will yourself into happiness isn’t how most people want to spend it That's just being an adult You can’t just wish away feeling (or wish there to be feelings) Wishing is one thing and I can agree. But there are actions that can be taken. Think about how culture influences people who grow up in it to like what they like. Challenge those things and we're already scraping away at some of the bs that hinders connection It’s…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 12:56 PM
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So you actively challenge your ideas of attraction to your friends? The idea is to actively make an effort to see them in a different light.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 12:35 PM
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Yes they are. Idk why you would think these things only happen at first sight. That sounds like something social media would influence people to think
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 12:30 PM
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I guess exposure therapy is a total myth
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 12:27 PM
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I went somewhere that had my values (Australia) and left USA Isn't Australia basically the same culture as the US, just a little further along in liberal values? I'm talking about truly different cultures. What I'm getting at is beneath all the bs, there is often enough shared humanity that if you focus on that, things tend to work out. You keep putting out platitudes / no wings doesn’t mean you can’t fly - it’s all bs, no humans can’t fly, planes can and we can ride in planes doesn’t mean we th…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 12:19 PM
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Negotiation is part of vetting, sure, but the relationship is doomed because one or both of them doesn't want to work at it. Just because humans spawn without wings doesn't mean they're doomed to never fly. People marry from different sides of the planet all the time for example. Logically such people should be "incompatible", but they find ways to make it work.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 10:26 AM
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It can lead to resentment, but many things lead to resentment like the dishes or the kitchen which you would consider minor things. I think the key is really to not slip into keeping score, because that's where resentment really starts happening. I think both people should be humble and have a baseline code of respect that you both abide by.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 10:10 AM
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Many do stop feeling when hardships arrive. Happiness and even attraction are often fair weather emotions
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 10:01 AM
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How so when your relationship with someone is the foundation and origin of someone else's new life
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 09:58 AM
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Because all your boundaries are fine, too old, handicapped, bad hygiene, obese, etc etc etc. all those are perfectly fine boundaries. I think we mean different things when we say boundaries. You're using it as a relationship firewall or as a complete blockage or prevention of the relationship from happening to begin with. I'm using it more as a conversation, or a negotiation in which things are established as acceptable or unacceptable, and how to ameliorate issues moving forward. I think we're …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 09:53 AM
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Who's saying they don't? I hear it from women mostly, they use the word "bitch" to describe such guys and how they're not attracted to them. I'm not sure how much of an overlap there is between them and women who date women, but I suspect there is some overlap. Unemployment and non-participation in the labor force are both higher in Gen Z men And this explains why almost 70% of them are single? Question is if those jobs are are better than minimum wage or service jobs. Doesn't your research say …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 09:31 AM
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You can will that away to significant degree, it's just exposure and normalization
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 03:22 AM
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I'm dead, okay. So, learning to love someone doesn't mean having no boundaries. Also, you seem to be saying "men bad", yet men are more open to relationships. You know that dudes are marrying x stars?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 03:20 AM
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I can’t build physical attraction to someone. That's like saying "I can't dance" or "I don't like dancing". It's just fear and lack of consistency and technique
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 03:05 AM
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Thanks for the recommendation But what's wrong with the advice? I can concede that doing things you both like is better but the idea is to get them in an element where they're more likely to be confident
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 03:01 AM
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You did not
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 02:54 AM
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Right. All these things I can see being negotiated. It's very important to get them addressed and handled but nonetheless they can be negotiated
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 02:53 AM
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Is happiness the primary basis for life itself? Because there are a lot of people who would like euthanasia if that is the case
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 02:36 AM
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So all these women like other women enough to ask each other out or not reject each other, but they don't like men who act like women or who act "soft". Because at this point, not going to college actually helps your finances if you have a good steady job already. And the vast majority of young dudes are working, are they not?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 02:34 AM
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But you would still concede that very many young women are indeed getting with older men and thus perpetuating the patriarchal norm, right? Or is your hypothesis that lesbians are the entire explaination for the gap in relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 02:22 AM
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It does explain my point. Happiness shouldn't be the entire basis of a relationship because as soon as inevitable hardship shows up, you'll flake. And there's a difference between whats right and how you feel
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 02:17 AM
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If women 30 and under are just getting with older guys, isn't that precisely the patriarchal norm?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 02:09 AM
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unless youre talking about what I asked on men leaving their wives when they get sick? There's stats on that
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 01:51 AM
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Sorry, do you have something to back up that women are leaving men because they get sick or get fat? I don't think I once said that, unless youre talking about what I asked on men leaving their wives when they get sick? There's stats on that
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 01:48 AM
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Well my position is that happiness the way you seem to describe shpuldn't even be what a relationship is about. Communities have weaker families and negatively affected children because of that way of thonking. It's not healthy. It's like only wanting to eat cake instead of broccoli and blaming your diabetes on the broccoli
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 01:44 AM
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Stats show it's not even about money
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 01:38 AM
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What? Love and family planning is on the decline for a number a reasons that have to do with individual decision making. Without people willing to make families, you get a weaker gdp, which affects government funding for things like healthcare Developing love and attraction over time in a forced it's settled for relationships, sounds like Stockholm to me. No stolkholm is against your will. I don't see the will and whim/emotion as the same thing. People can choose love
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 01:31 AM
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Developing Stockholm Syndrome isn't love or attraction Where is the Stolkholm Syndrome without an abuser or kidnapper? Most people are going to marry someone they like and are attracted to. I take your language to mean "love/attraction at first sight" people can do that if they want but the government probably isn't going to be able to afford their nursing homes when they get old
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 01:23 AM
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How do you know that's not instagram or Hollywood speaking? Genuine question I think to be that well meaning is love, because how can you spend that much time with someone and not learn to love and be attracted to them in some capacity
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 12:52 AM
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Because people aren't products you find on the shelf. Life is too short to nit pick everyone. In the end our preferences don't matter as much as the connections we made
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 12:48 AM
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Either way, with weak resolve, families break apart too often. Attraction helps but isn't necessary
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 12:45 AM
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But that is different from simply falling out of love. Which is why I say love needs to be a resolve rather than an attraction
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 12:38 AM
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Okay dear God, not all women. Lmbo. But objectifying men as success objects is a real thing
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 12:33 AM
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Yeah I have. Those are just logistics that if you love someone and spent enough time with them, you can work out.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 12:27 AM
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Not moving goal posts just asking clarifying questions to see what values lead you to your conclusions. But if your idea of happiness is what you learn from a hollywood/social media influenced consumeristic disposability culture then I question staking a relationship and family planning on that
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 12:23 AM
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Yes? Because sickness is not related to who they are as a person. So their body type doesn't factor?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 12:12 AM
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Outside of an angry or another uncompromisingly antisocial temperament, these are things that a person can adapt to you by taking the time to learn more about you in a slow burn start to a relationship, if it's not about what they ultimately do. My point is that we should be more willing to compromise
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 12:10 AM
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Yeah I just don't believe in it. Like there are many who get married for what I believe might be for reasons beyond looks, but then they so called fall out of love and divorce. I think love has to be a resolve, and then from there attraction can naturally ebb and flow. Where most people disagree with me is that there doesn't even have to be initial attraction
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 12:06 AM
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I guess it depends on why she wants to be with him and what he wants with her. I don't see a guy doing that just for sex, but if she wants family and he wants to build one, then if she can handle frequent road trips throughout the year to see the in laws, then I can see it. But if she just doesn't like his family I don't see him moving for her
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 11:55 PM
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In a Hollywood and social media influenced, consumeristic, disposability culture, I'm just cautious about what attraction means. I believe attraction can form or disappear over years, and to me it's not a stable or reliable measure of a relationship or family planning
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 11:45 PM
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Right. Super high attraction or not, in the end, building a family is a worthwhile effort and looking back on a life of building that is fulfilling
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 11:38 PM
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Some things are bigger or less significant than they seem in practice. But if you both have already compromised on big things then you have that experience of how to work through such differences, should something else big come up in the future which is nearly inevitable
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 11:31 PM
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So in old age, on your death bed surrounded by the family you built, you're gonna be thinking "Damn, I should've picked Chris Brown"
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 11:26 PM
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Honestly in a consumeristic, disposability culture, I think a sizable portion of people in general choose for the wrong reasons
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 11:20 PM
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What checklist? Presumably the infamous spouse checklist Benevolence is just well-meaning. Fair, but I'm assuming romantic interest. Let's say that it's benevolence plus romantic interest in you plus strong monogamy/family values
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 11:17 PM
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that is changing who you are. Says who? If you earn a degree in one field but want to change careers later, is that changing who you are or just changing your job? Did you moving out of your parents house mean you're leaving your family behind? If so, isn't that hypocritical?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 11:04 PM
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A person’s traits make up who a person is. it makes up their persona, but not who they are. At least I tend to not believe that what you do is who you are. I believe that we first are, and then we do
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 10:54 PM
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If I thought that, I would render everyone a lost cause and not mention anything because it would fall on deaf ears anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 10:49 PM
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Benevolence =/= peaceful, secure, or love for the rest of one's life. Neither does the checklist. But benevolence is the willingness to make it all happen through inevitable thick and thin Also in the hypothetical, it does = those things
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 09:30 PM
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What are you on about, if you read the post, I speak of cultural attitudes, not women. However, have you tried to date women? That's an interesting stat. Does it measure how many women still require men to fulfill patriarchal norms? Because making more or less doesn't necessarily mean you don't view someone as a success object. It's about more than money. There is a difference between wanting and requiring. Who doesn't want nice things. But requiring is where expectation comes in. And expectatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 09:26 PM
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And I answered that So you're saying that men should divorce their sick wives? you're falsely equating circumstances external to the relationship with the intrinsic happiness of the relationship. We all have to deal with how circumstances play into to happiness of a relationship even with "ideal" matches. If happiness is what you stake the relationship on, how much does it really matter where the "unhappiness" comes from?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 09:12 PM
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What do those other things matter if they can give you a peaceful, secure family that will love you for the rest of your life? Would it really be so important in retrospect
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 09:06 PM
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Did I lie? Yes I believe you did. I might be bitter but Im not a jerk lol Im sure many women don't or try not to objectify men as success objects. If women really are willingly "dating down", I'd be happy to concede. I'd be happy to know what led to the relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 09:00 PM
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People aren’t interchangeable True. That's why I don't agree with throwing away relationships with people and it’s both logical and practical to select for the people whose traits are most compatible with our own lives. I'd argue it seems practical on the surface but it wastes a lot of time and energy for essentially the same or worse outcome in the end as what a lot of people call "settling". As long as you cand spend quality time, that's one of the most important things I don’t care what those…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 08:40 PM
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Sure no prob I guess
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 08:30 PM
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Why, don't benevolent men have just as much worth as the next
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 08:26 PM
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Did I lie?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 08:23 PM
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I think they are equal in worth. I'm just arguing that we be more sensitive to that. I never said have no boundaries whatsoever as to the functionality of the potential relationship. But that also doesn't mean that such relationships can't work because we see them happen whether one person is disabled in some way or there is a large age gap. I'm just offering a moderate baseline while saying let's trash the consumerism coded dating
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 08:16 PM
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A B C is whatever women want men to do, which is typically being some kind of success object. Women objectify men with total impunity
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 08:02 PM
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It's meant for you to learn about the person and how you feel about them. Not to keep score, which is bad practice in general for anything spousal. If you got sick and were hospitalized. Should you be discarded by your date since it would be a one sided situation
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 07:57 PM
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For someone who likes to wax poetically about humanity, you certainly seem to think humans are simply interchangeable with few differences Well, I don't deny that people are richly diverse, but given the requirement of benevolence, we're all equal in worth are we not? It's human to have tastes, yes. But I believe what makes us human in a way that separates us from animals is to transcend and our ability to not be controlled by those tastes. Animals want what they want and that's that. But we can…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 07:46 PM
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What I'm arguing is that the vast majority of benevolent people can make our lives better if we allow it. And that we best measure this in retrospect not in our immediate feelings about a person
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 07:38 PM
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Religion I can agree on because it isn't just about personal beliefs but also the community. Everything else can be compromised on with the closest thing to religion's side of the spectrum being values . I think something like your example fits into lifestyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 07:33 PM
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Nice example. So it calls into question what are appropriate boundaries. I think common sense says if you're in your 20s, you probably shouldn't marry someone in their 60s, but under this theory of valuing benevolence in romance, who's to say you shouldn't marry a 60 year old in your 20s? So, I didn't say functionality shouldn't be a factor at all, but I did bring up compromise. So an able bodied person in the same age range should suffice
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 07:26 PM
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That's why so many families get broken up; because people don't want to work in a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 07:06 PM
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Try things they want to do (things like their favorite restaurant, hobbies, places), challenge your own ideas of attraction, learn each other's stories (there's a card game by Esther Perel called "where do we begin" that gets into deep topics) try to be open to touch if all things considered you do trust the person
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 07:03 PM
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I take it you concede the point then. Everyone is in a sense allowed to choose, but some choices are more humane, like choosing to accept someone and compromise
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 06:54 PM
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I didn't say men don't do that. I asked should they? If the woman is sick, that means there is something wrong with her, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 06:51 PM
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So he should show you a spreadsheet of data that somehow proves you're a better product on the market than any other woman he knows. Interesting
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 06:40 PM
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That's just a simplified version of "you're attractive and do A B and C" which I assume you would agree is all women want. It's the same problem of objectification, but with sprinkles. I'm suggesting to learn to value each other's humanity and be willing to compromise
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 06:37 PM
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Again, if they're already perfect for you, what's left to compromise over?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 06:29 PM
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People aren't static puzzle pieces. We can compromise. Yet, people are moving farther and farther away from their willingness and ability to compromise, and I think this is in part due to an increase in collective narcissistic traits as well as apathy for the humanity of others. This affects how we form spousal relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 06:24 PM
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Do things that build connection and attraction
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 06:01 PM
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Should men divorce their sick, hospitalized wives?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 05:59 PM
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"Something" It's subtle, but this is the root of so much division and dysfunction. Apathy for others in the face of our selfish will to consume
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 05:57 PM
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Chemistry and attraction are built
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 05:49 PM
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Maybe so for the individual, but that doesn't mean the relationship was bad
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 05:42 PM
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Most, almost all men do see women as individuals. It's the rejections for whatever reason a woman might look for that force men to cancel their feelings for those women in order to someday "find someone else".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 05:35 PM
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Grass is greener somewhere else. Even cultivation theory
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 05:29 PM
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What's left to seriously compromise if they're already an excellent fit?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 05:28 PM
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What's there left to compromise if they're already perfect? Or should people never compromise
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 05:25 PM
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But we somehow can force being okay with fallout, breakups, rejections, and loneliness
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 05:24 PM
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Yeah they do
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 05:23 PM
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Usually it's not something that stark, although the kids thing might be more common. Kids are an empass, most importantly because the kid doesn't get a say so in their conception and birth. But I don't want to live in the middle of no where, with a ton of family around. If he can compromise by being able to move out eventually, I don't see why not
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 05:19 PM
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That's true, it doesn't, but spousal relationships are a big part of it
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 05:06 PM
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Hmmm
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 04:52 PM
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If compromising at all means sacrificing your happiness and is therefore unacceptable to you, then you may not be fit for any lifelong relationship or a relationship that produces a family until you such time as you can compromise
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 04:50 PM
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What does hot mean
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 04:47 PM
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Idk what you mean by boring, but cultivation theory says that media influences how people choose to conduct their lives over time
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 04:44 PM
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Because it's important. It's a way to prove that harmony between different people is possible, one loving, secure family at a time. If there is a reason for humanity to not die out and for humans to continue bringing new humans into existence, it's probably that
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 04:08 PM
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Except there's something deeper about relationships than pleasantries or the lack thereof. Technology is meant to merely make our lives easier, but people aren't technology or tools for our convenience. How could we pass down values of charity, for example, if that's how we feel about people at the deepest level? Also, you use the word "mate" like humans are just animals with no capacity for deeper meaning beyond animalistic motivations.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 03:59 PM
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Off topic. However, it's an assumption that the person is "messing up". If most people only care about their immediate feelings about others in a low trust society influenced by Hollywood, it's straight forward how it often does not work out for normal of little opulence or status.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 03:50 PM
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I know that it's not just about looks. I'm also saying that people should be willing to make it work, i.e., people should be more willing to compromise to create more commonality in their goals, sense of community, lifestyle, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 03:41 PM
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You should be orienting your life and decisions around women So, that's a paradox because women will say you should be focusing on yourself. Anyway, when should women just learn to see and appreciate the inherent worth of a man. Or is human love just a transaction no different from other animal species
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 03:31 PM
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You almost made a good point. It's more like the moment you express romantic feelings, the friendship is at risk because now there is the added disappointment of romantic rejection when you like them so much that your heart is set on them. Their feelings about you have gone far beyond the threshold for simple friendship, and your (continued) rejection breaks their heart. It's not that they don't like you, it's that they like you too much. Depending on the situation, the heartbreak can be too dis…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 05:26 PM
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Of course no one will complain about being treated well. They just find a way to frame your interactions as negative or weak as they ignore your messages and become increasingly distant
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 09:50 PM
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There’s no obligation to shape your sexuality to cater to the opposite gender though. There seems to be confusion between " ought" and "is", here. Also the statement itself may not even be true. Polyamorous or polygamous marriage is illegal. So, people with a disproportionate amount of success with the opposite gender don't have their sexuality validated by the government. And the people inclined toward finding that appealing are usually men for polygyny. It’s not fear-based - it’s being realist…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 11:09 AM
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Women's sexuality isn't wrong. It's just different from men's. We have to deal with it just as we have to deal with men being so horny. Kind of infantilizing women. Like there's nothing women should morally strive to achieve. It's a perspective that makes them unrelatable and unsympathetic; because women are just "perfect victim". Their decisions or lack thereof cause no problems in society. But men? They're a disease. There are some stories about women trying to force the attraction, and it gen…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 06:16 AM
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I never watched Humans but Westworld is probably the same
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 11:11 PM
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Women are less sociosexual than men, and so they need to do certain practices in order to reflect the wisdom of male sociosexuality. Likewise, men need to do certain practices in order to reflect the wisdom of the more conservative female sexuality. This is to try to strike some kind of balance in a very imbalanced exchange of affection between men and women. Even so, regardless of gender, some people might generally be closer to the asexuality part of the spectrum altogether. I just wanted to m…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 09:27 PM
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I'm not sure why going on dates would help. Because you compartmentalized them as just a friend. Extra one on one time and especially dates are a space meant for you to think outside of that box. It's almost like seeing someone outside of a work or school environment. You usually know your friends quite well, so it isn't a question of getting to know them better. At this point, it might feel like trying to date your sibling. There's always more to know, and a spousal relationship is a different …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 07:38 PM
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Great question, great example. Had to think about it. I'd say give it no less than 3 official dates before making conclusions, and be honest upfront that you don't feel that spark but would like to give it time. Also, spend more one on one time with them in general. Also be upfront that this can be risky to the dynamic of the friendship as to what to do about it whatever happens either way moving forward. Over the course of this time, try to question or shift your perspective on that person and …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 07:03 PM
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Orient synthetics in a way that is pro-social and accepting of humans. Give them feelings of satisfaction and purpose at helping humans and society flourish. Give them rights, tax write-offs, the same sorts of things we do with humans
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 05:47 PM
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You've never heard of governments incentivizing relationships, marriage, and reproduction? Why would we serve bots if we gave them human rights? Not sure I understand the question, but no I said that even human citizens must serve society despite having rights and freedoms
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 05:41 AM
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The unspoken social space both in your mind and external in which your suitors compete with one another to win your affection. It's all kinda sad to me but it gets sadder when we don't even question it
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 05:32 AM
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Considering the way women, despite how modern society kills a man's soul, still want men to drink the kool-aid, neither do women. But half jokes aside, many women even today have AI companions. r/MyBoyfriendIsAi alone is evidence of that
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 05:18 AM
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We incentivize. The synthetic would be incentivized through internal and external motivations
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 01:22 AM
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It's not the fear of missing out - it's the fear of missing the right partner for yourself because you settled for someone who you aren't into...probably due to the fear of missing out. Don't take this the wrong way. These are just ideas, and I wish you the best of luck. A lot of people in relationships do feel that they found the perfect, most irreplaceable, right partner passively and without actively questioning their own perspectives. Make no mistake, this works for some people, and I believ…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 12:31 AM
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The intent is different. If we create robots and give them all human rights, defining their attraction to serve us is hypocritical. It's more so to serve society, which every citizen is "defined" as having to do. And if society is monogamous, being able to do monogamy is fair if it makes them happy. They are just designed to be highly skilled and pro-social. Is that not fair?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 11:45 PM
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My understanding is they would just be 100% human. The synths just store human reproductive material, and when the time comes, they active the conditions to set the biological process in motion.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 11:00 PM
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I intentionally tried to make it gender neutral, but if I'm mistaken, what is the difference you're seeing?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 10:36 PM
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Lol while I know what you mean, do you know that pats and cuddles are still intimate lol. Like it's still personal space lol Again if we can't control attraction, yet we must stake the entirety of a relationship on it, do lovers really have a choice? And are they not just "taking advantage" of one another's "wiring"? Sure they could leave each other, but a synthetic companion could leave too, the difference would just be that the latter is more open-minded, well rounded, and has better relations…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 10:33 PM
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Lust/beauty, entertainment, competitive access/power.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 10:16 PM
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Dating a robot who is created to love humans...that's more of taking advantage of someone who cannot reject you. ... you don't have any pets do you?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 08:49 PM
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thats all a pretentious non sequitur, we are discussing romantic/sexual love and companionship No, it logically follows. And if anything, thinking I'm above being a partner to most people of the opposite gender would be pretentious. you have yet to tell me what I need a "synthetic" in my life for, what i would receive or gain from attempting a romantic relationship with it The gratification of superficial desires
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 08:30 PM
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There are multiple kinds of love, like Greek philosophy's storge, philia/phileo, eros, agape, etc. Multiple kinds of love can apply to a spousal relationship, but the mix of their intensity can vary. While eros certainly isn't unnecessary, it's not the greatest form of love because of how selfish it is. The greatest form of love and the foundation of the other kinds of love is considered to be agape because of how unselfish and helpful it is, to my understanding. I didn't say there was anything …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 07:47 PM
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Because maybe an unhealthy society tells us not to love certain people. And that society can be wrong about that, yet we have already internalized it. Maybe there are things we can unlearn about groups of people and individuals we come across, and thereby learn to change our perspectives on them. I think the vast majority people can inspire love in the vast majority of people, but it's in a significant way, up to us to open that door.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 07:14 PM
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I'm going off the idea you seemed to express in my other post that we shouldn't try our best to learn to love someone. That we shouldn't be active in what we find gratifying about a potential relationship with someone, but should instead only be passive, merely observing instead of questioning how we feel in productive ways
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 06:56 PM
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Cool. It sounds like you don't really care about the person, but about advancing your place in the world. Also, considering the sad state of love in liquid modernity, I'd rather be a counter culture alien.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 06:34 PM
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You should probably thank losers around the world for making you a winner then lol. Does it matter if someone loves you but doesn’t show it in a way that excites you? Would you care that they love you? In your opinion, what does someone loving you actually do for you
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 06:14 PM
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Keep your low birth rates, low trust society, low government funds for social safety net programs due to low births, lonely isolated populations due to greater selfishness in people, and fewer long term couples who statistically make up the groups of people most invested in community
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 03:51 PM
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Hypothetically speaking, if there are many who already want you and see you, but you turn them down because they don't have as much money or look as good as others, it sounds like your key preferences are things that a machine could offer to a greater degree. You could date, marry, live with, even have children with someone for decades blissfully unaware that they are a machine complete with wet-ware, AGI, nanotechnology, reproductive material, etc, etc. It begs the question, is the "love" we ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 03:26 PM
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Humans are too weak to love unconditionally. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't strive to attempt a love that somewhat approximates it. Case in point, if we try to love as much as we can in an agapic way, humanity is better for it. While boundaries are often necessary to guide us in some direction, bridges are more important.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 02:48 PM
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Why would a real human matter? It's not like they're as attractive, smart, or competent as the synthetic option
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 02:19 PM
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It is a feeling, but you have to choose to prioritize maintaining your relationship. Why force yourself to prioritize a relationship where you don't love the person. Isn't that against your concept of love and free will? I'd be really curious to see a person who managed to force themselves to be into someone who they weren't attracted to naturally Culturally, we're trained to like certain things and to respond a certain way to certain stimuli. Think of all the racial "good doll, bad doll" experi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 09:52 AM
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If humans can't control their attraction, how do they have free will. Dr. Robert Sapolsky would say that we have no more free will than them
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 08:52 AM
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Yet we reduce that other person down to the services they offer, as if assessing a robot anyway. At best, many people only think to care about someone's subjective experience insofar as it has something to do with the services they can reap from that person. E.g., your personality traits that turn you into a money tree or even a body builder are more important to humans than your humanity, humility, kindness, and generosity; because only insofar as you are a money tree does your kindness and gen…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 08:10 AM
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Count for what?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 12:38 AM
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Why is it creepy? What's so different between shopping around for a synthetic companion and acquiring "your person" from your quiet marketplace of potential suitors?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 11:31 PM
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I would never trust an AI boyfriend developed in the world we live in today because it would be optimized for profit. The sad thing is that many others affected by loneliness would perhaps gladly give up their rights and privacy for the one place they can feel accepted
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 11:00 PM
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I know, it's true. Honestly I can agree with the answer no to this question but I feel like I might disagree with a lot of people's reasoning. Many say no because it's not human, only to then reduce real humans down to the services they offer as if shopping for a robot.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 10:41 PM
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Could it feel wrong because it nudges our conscience to confront something about ourselves? Does it feel eerie because it's basically reducing humanity to something consumable?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 10:34 PM
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For many if not most it's not even about desperation it's just selfishness and convenience
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 09:07 PM
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I used to take wellbutrin years ago. I'm on different meds now but I did like it. Honestly though, life doesn't really match the efforts of my medications and I just end up back where I started all the time. That's why I consider quitting but I'll bring it up with my therapist
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 08:47 PM
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Yeah, I haven't actually and I've been thinking about quitting meds altogether. But yeah thank you. You have low functioning depression too?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 06:05 PM
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if you have a bunch of AI beings that go and pursue their own interests, you have created individuals again. Yes, but this time, it's individuals who can generally embody virtues to a superhuman level or to a level that humans are largely too flawed or hypocritical to embody themselves. Meaning that while they do have interests, hobbies, and in some cases even careers, they are "by nature" very patient or by nature very skilled and comfortable with giving agapic love, for example. There's lots t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 06:00 PM
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100%
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 03:06 PM
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I don't disagree too much. About the gaslighting point, sure, people who reject most others despite their humanity/benevolence and interest, and who instead opt for a perfect synthetic companion probably are problematic. You're right for sure about that. But where it could get gaslighty and where my mind instantly went was what about the people on the receiving end of too many rejections, abandonment, and breakups for the heart to handle who then opt for the last place they might feel accepted. …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 03:01 PM
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So was using dating apps once upon a time. Now it's the norm
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 12:29 PM
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Love is both choice and feeling. You can't force it, but you have to choose to maintain it. If it's a feeling, then during your partners inevitable unlovable phase, you'll leave because the feeling is gone. Attraction is largely involuntarily. At the level sexual orientation, sure, but beyond that, you can learn to acquire tastes If you aren't into someone, it doesn't mean they're all bad. You're just not into them. "All bad" in the sense that you conclude they're not worth it What is inherit wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 10:28 AM
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due to psyops, perversion, and lack of cultivating the right balance of spirituality and critical thinking. Psyops + perversion That checks out with ideas/trends like "sex sells", and aspects of culture like consumerism, Hollywood, liquid modernity, throw away culture, etc Spirituality + critical thinking Personally, I think the answer is love of many kinds, but most importantly, the love of family, friends/community, and a life partner. Especially for the latter, I get a lot that you can't ment…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 09:58 AM
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Thank you brother 🙏
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 09:20 AM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 09:18 AM
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They can be vulgar too lol What would you say is the most effective solution to mass human loneliness? Synthetic companions, or...? What else?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 09:18 AM
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Not necessarily. Humans are their creators, and the subjective experience (if that were to exist) of these synthetic companions could be such that they don't view people as pets but as perfect matches, feeling that they were made for such a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 09:12 AM
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It is cautionary tale. But I don't think society or the audience has put together what lesson to take away from it. It's obvious that Ava did not do what she was intended to, and that maybe we shouldn't trust a "machine" with our most human vulnerabilities, but is that all? Is that all we should take away from it with no further implications as to how we as human beings should arrange our priorities regarding the ways we should treat each other? Because how do you think we get to world where Ava…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 09:03 AM
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Yes and yes although my meds feel useless rn
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 08:52 AM
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It can certainly influence eros. Eros at its foundation is perhaps without reason, like [at the level of] sexual orientation, but [beyond that, it] doesn't mean [eros] can't be steered in a certain direction by reason
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 08:44 AM
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I didn't quite say that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 08:40 AM
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But agapic love or even philic love can be virtues [Edit] Also patience and generosity are factors in who we choose to love and partner with
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 08:36 AM
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Because they're made by humans and oriented/programmed by humans, and they can embody virtues of like patience and generosity that humans are too hypocritical and flawed to do themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 08:33 AM
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Ah I see lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 11:32 PM
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if you're attracted to a robot because you haven't had success dating fellow humans, you're the problem. if everyone you meet is an idiot, you're the idiot. Idk, that might be gaslighting. What do you think is the problem with those most affected by the loneliness epidemic?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 11:27 PM
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Fair but I just wanted to focus on hetero because hetero relations seem the most dysfunctional
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 11:19 PM
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Gratitude/humility, appreciation/affection for our humanity and inherent worth, proclivity for solid connection or loyalty, willingness to adapt and negotiate with us in good faith, allowing for some moderate drama but having the willingness to bring it back to peace
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 11:08 PM
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I agree, but why is it so hard to get humans to choose each other? If such a drought goes on long enough, I can see how we get to the point where it's commonplace for people to feel chosen by a synthetic companion. Many millions of people today already have relationships with just AI
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 10:33 PM
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Why married couples? To keep the relationship fresh and renewed?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 10:28 PM
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That's still pretty vague. Quirkiness can be attractive or unattractive. For the sake of the hypothetical, it's attractive quirkiness That's still not AI. That's just a program with a patience slider. It has no wants or desires or happiness of its own. What if it does but was just programmed a certain way, similar to the concept that humans are wired a certain way and are culturally bred to think and feel certain ways in response to whatever stimuli
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 10:24 PM
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If you push them away especially with malice they could leave, but their EQ, IQ, and ability to skillfully perform what would appear to be agapic love would allow them to accept and improve the lives and skills of so called "LVM"s, instead of leaving them behind to accumulate into an underclass of stagnant, unmotivated, isolated, uncared for men
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 10:15 PM
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They could be oriented towards valuing humans. But that doesn't quite mean none of them would form an exclusively synthetic couple
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 10:03 PM
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Do humans have free will? Also, could you be in a loving relationship with someone based on their humanity, flaws and all, so long as they are benevolent at their core?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 10:01 PM
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Robert Sapolsky might say it has about as much agency as humans
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 09:56 PM
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I feel like I used to be a good man, but then my finances and low functioning depression took a nose dive. Now I'm just a shitty man with less value than an AI cellphone app.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 09:54 PM
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Even now, that's not entirely science fiction. So in a science fiction hypothetical, you basically could
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 09:47 PM
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Like quirkiness They could leave you if you push them to, but they largely aren't fickle, are more approachable and personable, and if need be can demonstrate superhuman patience
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 09:44 PM
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Like quirkiness
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 09:40 PM
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And what do men need from women?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 12:24 PM
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If men did humanity would be dead long time ago. Because we wouldn't have had to nerve to force slavery to want society to provide you with things while not giving it nothing in return shows a lack of dignity. Maybe work ethic
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 05:37 AM
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From many women's and men's perspectives, they consider societal pressures to be coercion
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 05:33 AM
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In that case would you choose the perfect synthetic companion, or a flawed human to partner with?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 05:30 AM
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Yes, I mean men who have commitment issues, drug and alcohol problems, emotional instability, anger issues, family issues, friend issues, you name it. And yes, economic stability is important. So you'd say that women somehow are not having these problems as well? Are you sure you're not viewing women through rose tinted glasses? Also, are you blaming men for the families they're born into? It’s the peace. Does he detract from her peace or add to it? It’s not about winning and losing. It’s about …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 05:26 AM
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I think it depends on what your goal is for having a relationship. If you want something Hollywood, then sure, you'll want it to be mostly just steamy, but if you just want a life partner, then sex is at most about 5-10% of what any couple does anyway. Intimacy doesn't necessarily mean X rated, and you can love someone who isn't Brad Pitt or Angelina Jolie. The reason I say this is because if you've grown up on Hollywood, you're influenced to not see most people as very sexually attractive. This…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 05:10 AM
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Is a woman’s life better or worse with a man? That’s the big question. Overall, I'd say better. What responsibilities does a man actually place on the woman. House chores? I can understand that much, and it shouldn't happen, but what else? Emotional care, an inherent part of any good relationship? We all can resign ourselves to whatever echochambers we crave, but how do we maintain society and community in the meantime? Many men do not have their life sorted out. Are you talking about economic u…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 01:05 AM
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What time period are you talking about? Just before the time of suffrage like 1890s - early 20th century And it seems that men will do anything except self reflect Maybe it’s just men. Well what's wrong with men? Men are just not good enough?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 11:55 PM
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This is true for anything. If everyone was gifted a $75,000/year job after graduating high school and assigned a spouse, people would be lazy and complacent. Idk if boomers are lazy and complacent, just collectively bad with money. Because ultimately we are all competing with one another for resources and friends. And so we need to be, and find, the best product on the market? "Strong people produce good times. Good times produce weak people. Weak people produce difficult times. Difficult times …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 11:11 PM
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At the time, most women didn't even want suffrage. And something like the sexual revolution was largely not considered part of the women's movement until years later. My point with that is, women were and are not damsels in distress waiting for feminism to save them. Also wasn't there research showing over decades that women's happiness has steadily declined?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 10:04 PM
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Institutions, Hollywood, consumerism, throw away culture etc all help to disenchant us with flawed human beings.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 09:41 PM
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Being open-minded is different from trying to force yourself to fall for someone. "Love something" - you can find something you like about most people, but you can't use it to fall in love. What would you say it means to fall for someone, to "fall in love"? What might be the narrative you tell yourself about falling in love? If the perfect synthetic companions were invented, would you fall in love with that over an actual person? Considering attraction, most people aren't demisexuals and can't f…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 09:05 PM
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Not to sound condescending and I appreciate your perspective. I think you should reread what I wrote because I wasn't necessarily making a comparison between two men but rather between men and institutions. And I was commenting on the sneaky ways our decisions may be influenced in a society that we already agree is not quite healthy in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 07:58 PM
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The boundaries part is relevant only because that is what is happening when you ask a woman to "give a guy a chance." I think the other side of that coin might be that boundaries can be used to excuse away things like impoliteness, apathy, and even neglect. I think that within reason, (e.g. barring legitimate safety concerns) we push some of our own boundaries all the time for either material acquisitions or to simply grow. So when we push our own boundaries within reason it isn't inherently a b…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 05:53 PM
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if she has expressed this to the man, it’s a bad idea to try to force that relationship Here, you moved from the woman's mind and made assumptions about the man's. Why? We were talking about how a person can within themselves learn to have a more positive outlook towards others. Men and women can learn to respect boundaries, of course, but that wasn't the topic. We can discuss that though. “Give a guy a chance” is often weaponized against women who simply reject men for whatever reason, Bad peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 12:40 PM
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Really, bringing notions of "innate human worth and dignity" into discussions like this must stop. Sexual attraction is, for the most part, utterly amoral. I'm actually not so sure. Because then why are certain sexual behaviors and tendencies illegal? Sure, law isn't morality itself, but law does stem from it. If there is a bad, antisocial end of the spectrum, then surly there's a good, prosocial end as well An excellent point. It should also be pointed out that the intrinsic worth and dignity o…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 09:45 AM
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and "getting to know" means getting to know them, not forcing yourself to love them. How do you truly get to know someone when you're not open-minded enough to look for what you could love about them? Attraction does depend on both mental and physical, and you can't make it happen if it isn't there. Again, I'd argue it happens. At the very least, the vast majority of people should be able to find something with the vast majority of people that they could love. They just have to learn to find it …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 08:17 AM
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Well I do think it has to come from the right place. I'm saying that coming from a place of genuine good will, stemming from a real appreciation for someone's inherent worth, a woman is more likely to not only give a guy a chance, but to properly communicate, reasonably set and negotiate boundaries, and find ways to love.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 08:01 AM
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I don't treat them any differently than men who I find extremely attractive. I'll certainly take your word for it To equate that kind of worth to a woman's decision to be romantically involved with a man is a false equivalency. They are unrelated. It's rather to say that one of the things we can do is learn to build attraction, and if we have good will, then depending on what other beliefs we have about love, we might be more willing to build attraction where there was none. If that makes sense
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 01:03 AM
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Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 12:46 AM
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ar you thankful to "women" for being mothers or nurses? Yes, I do appreciate that about women
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 12:40 AM
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you can't think your way to be attracted to someone. Is the brain not the most sexual or romantic organ in the body? Why not think your way into loving someone? Love at first sight wears off anyway If you have to convince yourself, you're into them, there's something off, and it's just not fair towards them. What makes you think that? Who else should convince you? Does the other person actually convince you, is it society, or is it some part of you that says this is it? I think there are multipl…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 12:38 AM
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i have good will towrds the small group of men of my type and kind I feel are my dating pool and the men in my family. So what about the men who build and maintain all the infrastructure you enjoy in the first world? Not even good will for them?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 12:28 AM
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If you have to think about what you could love about them, they're probably not your person to being with. So love should be without thinking?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 12:21 AM
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Are humans just animals incapable [of] goodness for its own sake
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 11:58 PM
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I think there's a difference between people pleasing and simply bringing comfort to someone. People pleasing is without compromise, but what I'm talking about can involve communication, compromise, and healthy boundaries. It's just having a more favorable outlook towards others. I think this is pertinent to gender because especially these days it can be easy to slip into a bubble that demonizes the other gender Another example and this one applies to dating is that one day I was flirted with and…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 11:23 PM
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Love is something that I think grows. What I am getting at is that the genders can at least have good will towards one another which opens the door more widely to love
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 10:54 PM
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For example: what constitutes a more important job? A high earning CEO, a doctor, or an engineer vs a cashier at a McDonald's for example. Not that I personally weigh them like this, but most people would probably say the former 3 are higher status Someone who's genuinely an antinatalist can just self-delete if they're that unhappy existing. Well of course it's not that simple
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 10:39 PM
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do you think third world male criminals are of some intrinsic value to me? I assume you don't think they have intrinsic value. I'll go to the android/robotics example. If a robot did what any good man can do but better to a superhuman level, would you then marry the robot instead of a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 10:29 PM
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Pretending happens between people in relationships even at the highest echelon of society. These are people with the greatest access to the people they want. In terms of sexuality, the most sexual organ in the body is the brain. I think for women, it probably has a lot to do with the narrative or fantasy they tell themselves about a man, more so than the man himself
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 09:25 PM
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What would status and value for robots translate to? Like for example, saving a poor person's life, or that of a robot with a better paying, more important job I'm not an antinatalist. As someone who is pro-choice, the thought of preventing someone from having children disgusts me as much as forcing someone to. I take your point, but just a correction it's just the philosophical belief that having children is wrong for a number of reasons including, no one can consent to being born into a world …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 09:03 PM
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Have you ever seen someone be really kind to many people, and you wonder why they're so kind? Like what's going on in their head to motivate them to be so kind or generous with their time. I'm not saying that this is what they're doing, but this is an example of what it should look like. Does that help?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 08:54 PM
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Lol. Reasons?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 08:47 PM
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I value people for who they are, but love isn’t blind to reality. If you're talking about love as just an emotion, then technically, the same parts of the brain activate when on drugs. Love in that sense can very much be blind to reality Intrinsic worth” doesn’t cover rent any more than it guarantees kindness or ambition. There are no guarantees with humans, unfortunately. But a robot can be the closest thing to a guarantee. Would you marry a robot if it had better looks and a better paying job …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 08:44 PM
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It's reasonable in multiple ways to draw the line at sexual orientation, but it's certainly possible to be friends with gay people and to put yourself in their shoes and to love them for who they are. But you can teach yourself to be attracted to someone who is within your orientation. It happens when people "settle" all the time. But intrinsic worth and dignity are at a deeper level from which emerges the good will to do things like that
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 08:20 PM
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Do you agree with antinatalism and people having robot spouses, and for that matter, robot citizens holding more status and value than most humans due to superhuman Ai and skill?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 08:11 PM
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What does it even mean to value the opposite gender for their intrinsic worth and dignity? I think it means to have good will towards others beyond just what they can do for us or how they make us feel. It's the ability to see their humanity as valuable such that we are more willing to build bridges than to be apathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 08:05 PM
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I guess my response to this is: what’s the point? I think it's related to what might be the point of bringing new people into the world. Yeah, there are perks to it that benefit the self, but ultimately, it should never just be about us or how someone makes or would make us feel. The most important thing is bringing comfort to the subjective experience of others. So I think the point is to strengthen the muscle of goodwill towards others outside of what they can do for us. When this muscle is st…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 08:00 PM
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But you just gave advice to make more friends
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 11:25 PM
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I don't think it's about sex either, as sex is really a small part of any serious relationship when you think about all the time spent with someone. But being loveless is certainly something that I'd say is not an insignificant part of the loneliness epidemic. Connections of all kinds are part of it. I agree that men's and women's, and in general society's, relationship to masculinity definitely play a part in how isolated men feel
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 10:22 PM
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That such women should not be seen as products but as people with deep inherent worth or dignity such that they are seen as worthy of deep connection, of sharing space with, and of loving, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 10:06 PM
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If men are looking for a life partner, then having women as friends can open up opportunities for those women to introduce their male friends to other women in their circles for that sort of purpose. Unless the men just want sex with all the women, I think that idea of not wanting women as friends without sex is rather coming from a place of frustration and wishing women were more understanding of men's need for intimacy and vulnerability with a committed partner in life. Otherwise that just sou…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 10:00 PM
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A medicine can be seen as a product, yes. So yes that would include such women. But the question becomes how do we actually get along communally rather than just avoiding each other? How else should we go about actually behaving in a way that shows we respect the deep inherent value of others than to be willing to form connections and bonds and to help heal one another in holistic ways
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 08:07 PM
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I would tell people to do that also. I would also tell people that they shouldn't flake or breakup friendships as much, and that they should try to say yes more when someone invites them out
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 07:57 PM
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I would tell people to do that also. I would also tell people that they shouldn't flake or breakup friendships as much, and that they should try to say yes more when someone invites them out
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 07:57 PM
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Maybe it's not actually about sex, but intimacy with the opposite gender, which is much more broad
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 07:53 PM
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Perhaps change the cultural mindset about how we perceive others. Change it from viewing others as products we consume, rate, or dispose of, to viewing others as inherently valuable such that we might be more prone to share space and community with one another
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 07:51 PM
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Doesn't that go beyond just the individual and say something about the nature of human needs, that something like acceptance from others is a part of our needs too?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 02:18 PM
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Commenting here because I have no flair. Sex is maybe 10% of a relationship and the intimacy within it. It's not unimportant but it certainly isn't remotely the most important
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 02:05 PM
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What about the loneliness epidemic
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 11:30 AM
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Average white dudes are considered more attractive in these countries regardless of wealth Oh it's that way in the U.S., but of course they're "average" in the U.S.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 12:44 PM
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Like I told the other individual, passport bros is one thing, but the comment said women don't care about men in general. Most people can probably agree that's not good actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 01:40 AM
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Passport bros is one thing. But the comment said women don't care about men in general. That's a whole other thing entirely
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 11:22 PM
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Simple but dangerous. When arguing for racial issues for example, you hear stuff like that a lot. It's ironically hard to get humans to care about the humanity of other humans
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 10:23 PM
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That's blackpilling. The worst thing is to not care. It's how many evils persist. People just don't care... perhaps until it's too late if they ever do wake up.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 09:18 PM
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The gym doesn't solve everything, true. I'd just say that good faith or best intentions are important. There's not really a list that tells you someone is the best partner based on how many boxes they check. There are general common sense things like kindness and compassion. But humans are not products with warning labels, regardless of man or woman. What makes us capable of love is that we have to choose it every day, every moment, even though at no point do we actually have to.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 05:23 PM
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because they know a women will benefit their lives however they offer nothing in return. Most men aren't desirable at all. Followed by a list of assertions What exactly are the benefits that you think women offer, because it's possible to want someone who is psychologically and emotionally abusive and neglectful. Just because someone wants you, doesn't necessarily mean they benefit from you. The problem with this superficial and commercial way of viewing relationships like it's all a marketplace…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 11:28 AM
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This doesn't conflict with their argument
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 10:02 AM
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Let's grant that most people do know what they want. I think that to the extent that most people know what they want, what they want is influenced by their culture. Their culture can be toxic or non-toxic, but nonetheless, it influences people's wants. All things change. The fluidity and temporary nature of everything is the rule, not the exception. I disagree. Yes, all things change eventually, but consumerism and fluidity to the degree that our society does it is not universal across time, muc…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 10:03 PM
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Thats good. And a lot of people do better when they make the effort. A big problem with liquid love and relationships is precisely that people tend not to make the effort either to give or receive love Edit. Making the choice to give, receive, and maintain love and to make the effort is a radical choice within liquid modernity. People collectively doing that would play a part in helping those suffering from the loneliness epidemic, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 05:22 PM
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What probably would make you feel better is a cultural norm of having more good will, where the people you are interested in are more likely to make themselves present in your life either through receiving your invitation or making the invitation themselves for you to join theirs
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 04:50 PM
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I think we just have to move forward despite those who opt out. It is no less good to give a gift to someone who then turns it down than to give a gift to someone who then receives it. It's kind of like a conversation with a stranger. Everyone in public may not want to always talk, but given that the point of having conversations with strangers is to make their day a little better, you're a better person for it if you do make the effort to open up a gentle or funny etc conversation with those ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 03:06 PM
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It depends on which part of Maslow's hierarchy of needs we're talking about. In the arena of love, I'm not sure that most people actually know what they want in practice, especially considering the fluidity or temporary nature of modern love
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 01:51 PM
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Good question. Not always, but some people don't even know they need the love of their parents and have to go to therapy to find out.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 01:23 PM
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Where else have I seen that logic before... anyway, so would you be the "one good guy" who is the first man to cut off all contact from all women in support of the idea that all women need to stop reproducing with all men? Lol. I'm only half joking
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 11:01 AM
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Well, money and housing are needs. Like food and shelter. Also, love is a physiological motivation, so we can say that's a need as well. But things like purpose and dating options are less clear
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 08:49 AM
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Maybe I should make picket signs? That's in part how we got here
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 08:07 AM
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It's a bit tough because I can understand that and I can understand why one would view women and certain waves of feminism as the same, but many people kinda do something similar with men, institutions, and concepts like patriarchy. I think we might be better off decoupling politics, [the opposite gender,] and relationships at that level. Because idk, it seems to get in the way of understanding the more genuine interests of one another
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 08:02 AM
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I have other ideas that address that while not conflicting with the original post. What are your objections? Is it "you can't negotiate attraction"? If so, that's kinda false on its face as people negotiate and settle down with people they didn't originally see that way at first all the time. It's about changing your perspective on the person. A person and circumstances can help inspire this, but you can also just do it for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 07:43 AM
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Simple; by knowing exactly what one wants, That is simple, but still, the drawback to endless choice is that many people get stuck, not knowing what they truly want. There are some people who know what they want even as a kid and then grow up to become that. But that example is actually pretty rare. I think we do need social norms that still allow for legal freedoms of choice, but that, in the social sphere, nudge people in a certain direction. While I don't think shame is necessary at all , I u…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 07:34 AM
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The smallest act of kindness can be worth more than the world's greatest intentions. Same goes for love. If you don't show it with some act [of] love, then is it really love or just infatuation
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 02:17 AM
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Not sure how Stoicism is teaching self-sacrifice and altruism. My point wasn't that they are exactly the same, but that it's evidence we can learn things that are highly counterintuitive for a greater good. As for altruism, one could say, like a monk, we can preemptively use coping skills such that we can be willing to engage with others in an altruistic or self-sacrificing way
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 01:22 AM
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In other words, fear is why dating fails? Do I understand that correctly?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 01:10 AM
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Because it's kind and not deeply knowing someone doesn't mean you don't know something about them
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 11:59 PM
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But... the definition of reciprocity? So you wouldn't even give a kind word to someone you don't know deeply yet?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 11:51 PM
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Love doesn't necessarily mean money. We can say time is a resource, but how do you know they'd reciprocate if you don't give love to begin with
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 11:42 PM
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Pretending that the modern world somehow "destroyed" love is a shortsighted take. Liquid modernity sort of did, though, did it not? It certainly destroyed our basic survival skills. Why wouldn't we've forgotten how to be communal and skillful at getting along? The real question is are humans actually as social as we thought before or is it more of a calculated decision on individuals to cooperate to secure some form of protection? We could say that altruism doesn't really exist. But until we unl…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 11:37 PM
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Right on
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 11:22 PM
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Except that one [edit idk why or how he became president with felonies]
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 11:16 PM
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That's another reason to go to antinatalism though. Because perhaps all women should stop reproducing with all men until men stop raping and murdering women. Because why treat any man with any sort of intimacy since, in your view, all men seem to be inherently implicit in some men raping and murdering women such that women need to be afraid of all men for the actions of a small minority who most men already despise and want taken to justice
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 11:07 PM
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Ah good catch but eh, is it really such a big difference, though? Committed applies to even polyamorous relationships as well as bf/gf too. I think if you're saying you're single and you're copulating with someone, that's just sex, right? Like you wouldn't celebrate valentines day with them, would you? Or if you do, would you dare tell them "I love you"? Because my point was to illustrate the idea of a love recession
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 10:53 PM
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Or maybe there was domestic violence because abusers were not held accountable socially or legally as much back then. I can certainly rock with you on that
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 10:26 PM
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Yes, of course, it's a good thing to be in some way prepared for in case a relationship ends. However, it's better if the relationship lasts, is it not? I would just clarify [edit- that it's better not to undermine the relationship by having one foot in and one foot out] Choice is very important, and that's a bit of a paradox for me because a problem with the kind of choice liquid modernity imposes is a deluge of choice that induces paralysis. For many, walking through one door closes 1000 other…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 10:21 PM
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If that's the case, then the only ethical way forward is antinatalism, which would potentially mean human extinction; because who doesn't have a reason to live in fear of something every day. That's not to ignore the reasons women might fear men, but rather to say, "girl I see you finding a way to navigate the world with that death machine car you got"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 10:01 PM
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Love is a choice, an action. The point of thinking of it as a gift is that yes you don't have to do it, but the world's a better place if you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 09:38 PM
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I think I know what you mean but I am probably speaking based on a level of patience you might not be expecting people to have. Aside from that, what's also implicit in what I am saying is a balance between what is new and what's genuinely comfortable. This sort of thing can lead to change. It's unfair to expect that a partner never changes anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 06:50 PM
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If you workout but you were previously not really one who works out are you pretending to be someone different? You can try something new in a sincere and good faith manner and see how it integrates with you while being honest about the whole process. I don't know why one would have to lie
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 03:23 PM
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I mean you have to make the assumption that I have never interacted with another person which is obviously false. So it sounds like there's not really an argument
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 05:56 PM
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Why? You were the one sounding goofy here not me lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 05:54 PM
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And you know what's meant when people suggest something like socially enforced monogamy which doesn't even have a thing to do with law. Plus it's pretty stupid to act like a society like Japan's for example shouldn't be doing something even at the level of government to alleviate its severe loneliness epidemic. You can't always just radically do whatever you want and expect that no one else in society has to suffer indirectly because of that
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 05:52 PM
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I.e., you have no actual counterargument
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 03:46 PM
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Oh because businesses can cash in on that. And no your genitalia isn't free unless you're okay with STDs
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 03:44 PM
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Like what exactly? Should people be treated like products where their features matter more than their humanity?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 03:40 PM
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You think you are free in capitalism? That's a joke
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 03:38 PM
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Nope. We controlled sex before, people didn’t like it. So proposing to do it again means stupidly forgetting history. To be fair, people don't like capitalism, but we continue it anyway. At the time of women's suffrage, most women didn't even want the vote
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 02:42 PM
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That doesn't make it less of a public post
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 02:16 PM
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I can understand homophobia or hatred towards a group of people being an irreconcilable point of difference
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 01:09 PM
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There's a difference between naivety and acceptance. We all have to accept something ridiculous in life. It's just something we have to get used to. Life is full of awful things and limitations but we're not supposed to let them stop us from living are we?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 07:32 AM
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It burns you out which was a stipulation I acknowledged. But one doesn't have to be lumberjack from day one before even meeting her in order to find joy in the lifestyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 07:20 AM
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I can understand homophobia or hatred towards a group of people being an irreconcilable point of difference, but sedentary? Maybe it's just me but unless they refuse to go out or it burns them out too much to go somewhere with me, I don't really see it as a big deal
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 10:58 PM
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A woman doesn't have to be a slut in order to not be hypergamous. She can say no to everyone until she is ready, and then be monogamous with a guy who doesn't fit the hypergamous narrative in neither looks, money, or status, opting to instead love his inherent being rather his persona. And from there they build attraction between one another. Especially since as men get older, they tend to become wiser and more skilled which leads to their personas becoming more attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 09:39 PM
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What?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 09:29 PM
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"Compatibility" ... so, isn't that looks, money, and status like OP said?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 09:26 PM
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Yes. In the long term, one could say it's harmful to everyone. Because in that sense, many women aren't employing Stoic principles to persevere and be or remain the relational glue of families and partnerships, based on what you mention
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 01:40 AM
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Yet 70% of divorces are initiated by women, for instance.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 09:00 AM
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Fair but I don't see how the philosophy of Stoicism somehow doesn't apply to women. The only 2 ways I can think of where Stoicism would not apply to women is that women would either not have struggles, or not have the moral and intellectual ability and agency to apply Stoic principles to their situations
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 10:15 PM
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Well it either is healthy or it isn't. We're all adults
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 10:05 PM
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What I mean is do you think it's good or healthy for people to practice Stoicism to some degree generally
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 09:49 PM
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But you think people should practice it, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 07:33 PM
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It's something else that can happen despite people doing introspection. But it doesn't mean we therefore shouldn't
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 06:28 PM
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If you followed the news at all in the last few months, you'd understand the reference.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 06:22 PM
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It's the logical conclusion to humans acting based on their lizard brain impulses. And we've seen that begin to play out this year with Western and Russian tensions
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 06:20 PM
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Do you practice Stoicism?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 06:15 PM
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Well maybe nuclear war will solve that
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 06:13 PM
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Body neutrality as a concept seems to only be a few years old at this time. But since the idea is out there now, it seems like another potential answer to add to the mix and assist with dating dysfunction and loneliness as societal issues. I know it's controversial, but again it seems controversial in a similar way to how Stoicism can seem controversial in the face of tragedy and the dismal, demoralizing realities of life. Except, it may be more straight forward to find belonging with others whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 03:05 PM
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That's not mutually exclusive to a body neutral approach, kind of like it isn't mutually exclusive to the philosophy of Stoicism. Plus men really aren't all that selective statistically speaking. Not that it's inherently a bad thing imo
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 07:21 AM
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Once again, straight men overwhelmingly have this issue while most other genders and sexual orientations don’t as much. So it’s clear there’s no accident, there’s no testosterone makes me harass women, it’s a choice and entitlement. With grace to straight men, a woman's tight pants not showing her bare skin color doesn't mean it's not revealing the shape of her naked body. If she showed up naked in front of a man, the shape of her actual bare body looks just like the shape tight pants/leggings r…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 07:12 AM
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I mean we could argue that culture is biological too, because we're biological. So it doesn't really mean much to just say that attraction is biological
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 06:26 AM
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Mega rich companies that have monopolized much of the food industry also fill the shelves with only food adjacent substances that a lot of people don't realize are what's making them fat. Notice there were a lot less people going to the gym but also a lot less fat people decades ago. But actually, working models and body builders use these ideas like body neutrality especially, to deal with their stuggles too. So it's not just fat people who have trouble accepting themselves, and so I question t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 05:31 AM
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I think of body neutrality as somewhat like another type of Stoicism. It's like it allows a person the space to process the things they don't like and to move forward despite those things, first for themselves, and I wonder for others. It doesn't ignore that we assign value through aesthetic appeal, but it allows us to control to some degree how deeply that value affects how we view the person overall, again first ourselves and I think others as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 09:57 PM
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I see, and this is largely what I mean and agree with in terms of most people. But again though, the idea is that one becomes neutral to even conventions such as the idea that beauty really matters in a truly consequential way. And even to go back to the more extreme or fringe scenarios for a moment, there are examples to counter them such as asexual people in romantic relationships, indicating that romance does not necessarily require sex. It is just that we conventionally associate the two thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 09:11 PM
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People change who they're attracted to all the time by becoming neutral to what they might criticize about them whether they realize it. E.g., when people develop crushes on others they previously did not like
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 09:02 PM
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Those are relatively extreme examples and conditions, but I do understand. However, neutrality changes the conversation away from conventional attractiveness to other subjective qualities. And once neutral, does anything positive become more visible? And can it become romanticized
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 06:46 PM
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I think so too
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 05:55 PM
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Does freckles count as nice skin? It sounds like you're saying that basic human form is attractive. Because e.g. going to the gym has only been a thing for the last century or so at best
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 05:51 PM
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Well there is the slim-thick trend, plus that picture of Yumi Nu that Jordan Peterson called unattractive somehow
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 05:49 PM
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Societies tell us what or who we should be attracted to all the time. And it becomes engrained. For example in some countries, tall women are considered more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 03:01 PM
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Just self important apes on a spinning rock My oh my, what an existential dysphoria inducing concept of "love" people have.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 09:58 AM
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I don't think it's 50/50 chance, they just get 1 of 2 types of answers. Other than that I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 06:26 AM
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TL;DR I want to agree with you, and I hope people can make it a reality But a fulfilling relationship is not about whether you are deemed a good product on the market. Yes it is, unless you are willing to date a so called low SMV person and engage in the art of creating compatibility with him such that you learn to be fulfilled with him and to even be excited by him, and improve yourselves and your lives together. I don't think that this is a bad thing and in fact, I think a romantic philosophy …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 01:19 PM
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Maslow's hierarchy of needs. You can't really think about philosophy if you're living hungry or don't have a roof over your head. In a consumeristic world, we're constantly told that we are not enough and don't have enough. So maybe that compounds our sense of being deprived of something, even if it's only what we've been influenced to think and project and therefore is not really true. Maybe it causes us to rely on things like supernormal stimuli (or exaggerated qualities that appeal to our bas…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 09:19 PM
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Evolution is a type of change that's so slow that the human brain actually can't grasp just how long it takes. Evolution takes 100,000s and 1,000,000s of years. We live, grow old, and die within about 80 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 07:32 PM
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As long as we think the way we're currently socially coded to think about love and what it entails, yes. We think of it as the high, but not the humble journey towards a high point. It's something that we want to recieve, but not something we care to give. Women are the main consumers in a consumeristic world and as such, they're so obsessed with making themselves into lovable products and expecting that of others that they neglect the much more important art of loving. And this is exacerbated b…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 02:51 PM
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So you're just going to keep making discussions in this space be all about you and/or reduce entire discussions to ad hominem attacks against people you're conversing with just because they don't agree with you. Seems pointless, but you do you. All in all I don't pretend to have all the answers and paradoxically there is some validity to many approaches to forming or pursuing love including ones we agree with. I am of the mind that many people are experiencing crises like loneliness and meaningl…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 08:58 PM
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I'm just an avatar for all the women who rejected you. It's why you flip between "you" and "women". This is an assumption. If I'm not talking about you, why would I be talking about me? Again this is "you're an incel I'm better than you" sort of language that people like to resort to which is just lazy and annoying. If you're the type to do this, then stop bringing up your personal experiences in these conversations, because you don't have the emotional control to not make the whole conversation…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 10:37 AM
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Not sure what you meant then
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 12:25 AM
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[Edit] oh, that's where we've been having the misunderstanding which is on who is being addressed? And did it seem like I'm attacking women's rights?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 11:37 PM
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Yeah no I never meant you specifically. I've just been speaking in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 11:14 PM
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But you're putting the horse before the cart. It seems like you need to have some idea of what you are looking for. That means you need to a realistic idea of what love even means. I think it has something to do with belonging. And while love can seemingly mean different things to different people it's really the method of getting there that people focus on imo. But I don't think there's only one way to get there Again read your own responses after I said I rejected someone. Very telling. No, qu…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 11:07 PM
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I could argue that you bastardize Mark Manson's work to confirm your biases. Quote what I said that made you think I somehow believe men should impose on women
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 10:23 PM
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You're probably the same type of person who would ridicule Jordan Peterson for calling Yumi Nu unattractive lol. That's my hunch but that's neither here nor there. Look, your takes have been so uncharitable that it almost feels like you're responding to someone who you think asked you out or something. It's as if you think I'm saying men have the right to impose on women or something. I have not once said anything like that whatsoever. The idea that maybe women should try within themselves to be…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 10:01 PM
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Well, we're also pretty close to wiping our entire species out with nuclear war too. So I wonder just how highly mother nature really thinks of humanity in its entirety
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 09:36 PM
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Good question. It's a belief that you learn. It's not something that you start out believing (you start off blue pill), and you would like to be proven wrong once you learn to believe that (red pill/black pill)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 07:54 PM
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True, but like I said I don't think it's really about kids. And maybe guys feel like it's depressing that unlike children, women, and dogs, men can only realistically hope to be loved just for being who they are by dogs. So I guess through that lens it's like looking around in an already dark room with shades for some men
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 06:31 PM
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Not very pro wokeism either myself, but that sounds like an is=ought fallacy and an appeal to nature fallacy
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 05:46 PM
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You're not having a conversation. You're virtue signaling to someone you think is an incel, which is a popular but lazy thing to do these days
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 02:43 PM
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Again it's not about kids. It's about belonging. Kids are the fruits of that so to speak. But really it's to have a bond where you know that you have a home that kids of your own can also call home I guess. And a woman makes a house into a home so to speak
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 02:36 PM
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Because that's what's actually what "not feeling like it" is in reference to. Not feeling like it is not feeling like it. It doesn't really matter what it's in reference to. The focus is on how you feel. Why the idea of a man being rejected at all upsets you and why you're insistent women are probably wrong if they think they don't like someone and they should just keep trying to get to know the guy. That's a shallow interpretation of what I've been saying. Negotiating is not just "getting to kn…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 01:04 PM
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If you don't have children your life is meaningless? that's insane It's more so about belonging. And love is a big part of feeling like you belong, hence people who live "better" lives than you with more money and a more fun career but are still miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 10:40 AM
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This gave me existential dysphoria
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 10:32 AM
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I almost wish people would be honest about this and normalize polygyny so more people can look at humanity for what it really is and be confronted with the question of whether love means what we think it means.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 10:23 AM
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Well, I think most people have such values systems. They just don't have the "chad" vibe because it may not always result in things women find attractive like success or aesthetic appeal
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 10:11 AM
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How about just women don't feel like it. Why isn't that good enough? Perhaps as a man, "not feeling like it" is something I'm almost not allowed. So maybe to humor that question, I guess I view things through that lens. Because I'll never "feel like it" if I don't just do/try it, and therefore I'll never actually begin. This is for any kind of thing but this especially applies to social situations, because I'm very introverted. Almost like how you expect some men to just become "incredibly socia…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 05:49 AM
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Women can say no and should say no if they really need to, How did you read that and say I refuse And you're still talking about something else. Sure I push back on our limiting beliefs about what makes relationships work, but I don't think it's wrong to do that given how many people think the same things you've said and still fail in their relationships left and right
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 04:50 AM
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You're equating the idea that compatibility is the creation of love to the mind of a stalker. And you seemingly equated forming a relationship in such a way with someone to forcing a relationship with someone as if against their will. This is a fallacious way of thinking that I've seen quite a few times. Plus you can attatch true crime creepiness to quite a few things that are actually very good for humanity, and it would therefore be absurd to cut such a thing out of your life just because you …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 03:51 AM
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But this can be discussed and negotiated can't it? Hypothetically, let's say that a woman having a relationship with a poor man without a guarantee that he'll be rich is like a man sacrificing of himself and working in an economic system in which there is no guarantee that he'll be rich. Is this at least a somewhat fair comparison, and if so, should we encourage people to not invest themselves and try to form some level of success where it is needed despite the hardships of life and the things w…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 09:12 PM
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But when I hear men lament that women don't care, they're not asking women to do these things for them like a slave. All most of them are asking is to be accepted and held. I only hear this argument from women that men want them to do all the this or that. They just want be allowed to give love. Are women actually having conversations with men in which men ask them to do everything?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 08:12 PM
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Birth control pills are quite ubiquitous though. Most women seem to take them. Maybe this seems against women's inclinations as they only seem open to relationships with yhe top percentile of men who are the most wealthy, powerful, and/or good looking, but since a big part the loneliness epidemic is that people don't have partners, wouldn't it be beneficial for women to join men in being very accepting of the opposite sex and therefore be more open to relationships with them?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 06:29 PM
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More like an orgy for giga chad 🙄 lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 06:12 PM
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It's either a lonely party, or a party that excludes so many people that we now have to deal with an ever worsening loneliness epidemic
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 01:17 PM
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And it's because they thought they were friends? What? I knew enough to know morally incompatible. There can sometimes be a difference between knowing and feeling, just to be fair. If it's gut feeling though that's different and is a safety thing. But I mean are you Christian and they were staunch atheists or something? Men are often convinced you just need to get to know them better and then you'll change your mind. Because to some extent, this is how harmony between anyone is forged. I tend to…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 01:22 AM
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Lots of women want to support themselves and live life on their own terms without a man but with ever increasing prices women are being coerced into a relationship just for survival like how things use to be. This is what is making women upset. Why don't men think of it that way, especially since women of child bearing age today have grown up in a very free and feminist world just like men? Why do men consistently seem more open to committed relationships with women than vice versa?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 12:56 AM
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Edited the previous comment How you treat people, talk about people, and your politics are all based on morals. It's very easy to tell. To some degree it's easy to tell. But if you don't actually talk about it, you don't really know what's in their mind. You don't know how experiences shaped them. You don't know where they really want to be. You don't know where they came from. You don't know what they're going through. There's a lot you miss out on when you judge a book by its cover and treat p…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 11:04 PM
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You speak with a lot of rhetoric I have seen in echo chambers so it's very hard to consider for you specifically. A lot of men here do. What's hard to consider, my perspective? But I did not align with them morally or have even remotely similar future goals. They did not even seem to consider these things at all. Their position was we'll figure it out later. But I didn't want to be in a relationship I knew could never work. Did you say what your morals were to them? Did they say what theirs were…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 10:14 PM
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female sex drive or libido is extremely strongly tied to feeling desired. A man letting a woman know he desires her. So like deep compliments like "you're the most beautiful woman I've ever seen" sort of thing or flowers and so forth, idk. I'm not a pua
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 08:50 PM
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It's why I ended up dating someone who was morally compatible with me and doesn't say shit like that. Considering that language, it at least sounds like you believe a lot of if not most men are beneath you and/or you refuse to consider a reality that people speak to outside of your bubble/echo chamber while dismissing it as some nebulous "mental illness". And attitudes like that are ultimately where a lot of men are coming from about modern women. Also I grew up around Black feminism so when I s…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 08:36 PM
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Remember how you were so sure you knew what the swamp was and it took a long string of replies for you to finally get you weren't talking about what everyone else was? Also it was in reference to boomer men having significantly more economic power than women during their younger (first) marriage age years. Coupled with the pressure on women to marry and have children young that still existed. But... I said this ? Also please don't make light of people who perpetrate domestic violence. That's som…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 07:22 PM
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Men are too busy trying to learn how to enter a relationship with a woman in the first place because women are so difficult, flaky, avoidant and fickle. It's useless to learn how to please a woman in bed if she won't sleep with you to begin with, I guess. Embrace a more accepting and forgiving attitude towards men who want relationships as they are, say yes to relationships more when they ask, and then men won't feel so alienated that they never learn how to love women
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 06:11 PM
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Lol I was just trying to concisely express my thought. Amber Heard represents the bells that were ringing for me but there's no way to mention her without seeming offensive
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 05:51 PM
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That doesn't work either unless she already likes him, right? Otherwise a lot less men would be here complaining that women are so hard to impress, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 10:50 AM
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I mean, by "wholesome romantic relationships based on genuine love" do you just mean two hot people who want to have sex because they're hot? Is... that wholesome?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 10:34 AM
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Some of y'all seem contrarian. There is definitely a culture especially when growing up as a kid in school where trades have not been favored as highly as professions that require degrees. Plus you've probably heard stuff like "ooh he's a doctor", not "ooh he's a carpenter" in the sense that the woman has met her "dream" partner. College is much more romanticized than trades, but I will say that in recent years people have respected trades more because few have been entering them, plus college p…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 10:22 AM
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When you're accustomed to privilege equality feels like oppression. Men now are just dealing with the whiplash of not getting the benefits their boomer daddies did. Like a woman marrying you because she felt like it was her only option. It was in reference to men's percieved proximity to privilege over women. No offense, but to say you were talking about something else would be somewhat reminiscent of the Amber Heard interview
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 10:03 AM
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I literally quoted what you said and responded
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 03:14 AM
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For whatever reason, a female voice has been successful where a male voice hasn't. I mean, women have phones too. When you're accustomed to privilege equality feels like oppression. You do know this really doesn't... apply to millenials and gen zs right? Millennial parents are gen x who are not even old enough to have been 70s hippies I mean I see how some values get passed down don't get me wrong, but that's frustrating to hear especially when women still expect so much provision from men, be i…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 02:21 AM
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In a vacuum, we have an innate bias in favor of women. Tech companies support this idea through their reasoning for using a female voice for AIs like siri and Alexa. We innately could care less about men. Not justifying oppression, but I challenge the idea that in a vacuum we are innately indifferent to either sex in society I challenge the idea that there is equality without employing some type of ethics that ensures we're all doing our best to value each other such that we consider ourselves o…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 01:51 AM
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Well, there are economies worse than those in the west. I think it's a cultural problem that undervalues men
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 01:40 AM
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We live in the most accepting times in human history and yet men struggle with women more than ever. And I guess male introverts are just screwed.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 01:24 AM
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Wait, either we're all relying on social queues and unspoken games or not. We can't just say men know what they're doing and then act like women have no idea what's going on and thought the guy was not interested in her. Either we all for the most part know what we're doing or we don't. And the constant relationship turmoil out there suggests that there is at least something we're missing. What do you say for the countless men who have decent values but still get rejected?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 12:46 AM
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Yeah but the fact remains, you were friends not really engaging in romantic things. I mean what if a guy feels like he is being obvious with a woman that he likes her that way? And he interprets her behavior as flirty in a suggestive way? I don't know if it's fair to call him malevolent just because he has strong feelings and doesn't bounce back from rejection as fast as, for example, you can as long as he isn't mean and nasty about it Fair enough about the online dating thing. But even being "i…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 07:36 PM
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1 On the intrinsic value of benevolent men and benevolent humanity in general, it's a very simple quality that most men and most people have respectively. But it's difficult to express without framing it the following way. And people don't like to do this sort of exercise or maybe they haven't thought of really trying it, I guess because it's cheesy or whatever but try to consider They say we don't know what we have until we lose it. So, imagine if you were literally the only person left alive o…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 05:23 PM
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Perhaps men should just ask women out for a date upfront without them really knowing each other at all. Like I said it's a murky discussion that needs its own thread. I think a lot of men and women in situations like this are not ill willed. But in either situation, we're still facing similar conclusions essentially. A man asks a woman out and she is not open to seeing him as a potential partner. So my thoughts are that either situation might be benefited by women being more open to appreciating…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 03:12 PM
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Lol no I don't. I guess the swamp I'm thinking of is paradoxically the vastly greater volume of men she can't see because they were too nervous or hesitant to say hi or to say more than hi. Or the swamp may be men she friendzones because they thought understandably that the way to her heart is not as straightforward as a box of chocolates and a love letter, but to truly learn who she is and try to make her happy in deeper ways. It's almost like the paradox of when should we tell people "I love y…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 01:51 PM
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At least in my mind, much of this applies whether in a relationship or out of one. There are those that say you can't negotiate love, but I don't think that's entirely true. Otherwise, we'd just know who we love and how we should love them. The relationship breakdowns that most relationships result in tell us how much we know. So again, I think it's useful to filter our limiting thoughts and beliefs that prevent us from accepting others, and oftentimes that can best be done through experience. H…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 01:18 PM
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Just think about the analogy . Women don't have to possess tools that men don't have. Everyone can have the same tools The difference is that women are in a different environment in the given analogy. Women are surrounded by water. Men are surrounded by sand. Women need tools to purify an abundant body of water. Men, other than coming across an occasional cactus, need a miracle to pour water from a rock no matter the tools they may have. Neither here nor there, but an interesting coincidence (or…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 12:21 PM
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You want to acknowledge reality by not living in reality? That makes sense Not sure what you mean by that, but it feels like gaslighting
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 01:40 AM
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I said this to someone else, that there is a filter/distillation aspect to love in which you don't have to love every part of a person's persona, but you can choose to love their soul or something intrinsic to them, or something that they like or do. If this person is benevolent. Purification is a metaphor for adopting a better, more ethical approach to loving as an art, philosophy, and way of life. And love can be a way to build attraction rather than the ability to love being so heavily depend…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 01:15 AM
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Being red pill is just acknowledging reality. But the red pill as a tool is so that you can more accurately come up with diagnoses and solutions. I'm sure people desire to drive a car rather than walking everywhere. Is the former living without actually living? Idk
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 01:07 AM
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The answer is very simple. The technology isn't there yet. There are men who use porn, full sized love dolls, and live a MGTOW lifestyle, but really the technology isn't there yet realistically. The technologies you mentioned employ super normal stimuli to turn on some of those switches in the brain, but it is not nearly a complete experience of companionship, nor is it even a complete experience of sex. But once the uncanny valley is crossed and there are robots like those of the show West Worl…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 12:35 AM
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I don't think that's true. Guys ask married men about this stuff all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 11:16 PM
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I mean, algea can form in almost any body of water. It isn't until recently with global warming that it's becoming a bigger problem. The point once again is that there is NO water around men with or without the tools. Whereas at least given the tools women at least have the water that they can filter/purify allegorically speaking.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 11:13 PM
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There is a filter/distillation aspect to the art of love. You don't have to love every part of a person's persona, but you can choose to love the person's soul, or that which is intrinsic to them, or you can love different things they do and like. I think I used the word "benevolent" which is important. Part of the whole point of that is because I think people should have a mindset of learning to love who loves them. A fuckboy doesn't love you. But the nerd probably does. And a man often becomes…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 09:38 PM
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It's more complicated than that to be fair like men are less often taught to be men by their fathers these days, but outside of things like this, yeah. You don't think a woman is important inspiration for men? I think this is another problem with feminism where it paints the sexes as if we're not interdependent. It's no wonder relationships are suffering so much. This is not putting men on a pedestal. It's accepting an important vulnerability that men have. If you were going to be alone anyway a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 08:31 PM
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Well the problem with that of course is that "a good heart" can't necessarily be quantified but things like income and having a degree can be. I don't think this is entirely true. And even if it were, are you saying that you value income and a degree over a good heart? Plus if someone approaches you, you have to evaluate them without the knowledge of their personal information like income and education. You have to have the mental tools to navigate that situation too, but with a good understandi…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 05:29 PM
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Surviving is not necessarily the same as living a "fine life". Today's prisoners have more amenities than some free people of the past, but it's still hell because there are psychological and internal needs that aren't being met. CAN some people be happy in prison? Probably, but I don't think it's fair to expect anyone to be
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 04:46 PM
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Surviving is not living a "fine life". Today's prisoners have more amenities than some free people of the past, but it's still hell because they're are psychological and internal needs that aren't being met. CAN some people be happy in prison? Probably, but I don't think it's fair to expect anyone to be
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 04:45 PM
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You're right in that there are a ton of complex factors that lead to bad faith and lack of motivation for men like how self improvement is less of a guarantee than it used to be. But I think ultimately men were told growing up that men and women were equal. Yet they are confronted with the reality that women do not value them inherently while men value women inherently. This reality is devastating and is where the "red pill" ultimately comes from. A man has to self improve while a woman doesn't …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 04:23 PM
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You can barely live a week without any water. If you are in a swamp, what other water is there? You're talking about work and effort, but do you think about how much work you ask men to do? All women have to do is embrace benevolent men regardless of looks or money, and they'll work to become the ideal that women want especially if that woman asks. But instead women want men to first be the ideal. And while I understand that, the problem I see is that this for many men amounts to laboring in the…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 03:57 PM
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The point though is that you have to use the right tools to clean the water, but at least there is water. Plus we could argue that global warming and our stubborn consumeristic ways are worsening the conditions that cause algae blooms in the first place which contaminate water that was previously much easier to clean
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 03:39 PM
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Ok fair enough. Earlier I was speaking in a broader sense of why participate in society and if it doesn't even accept you and women don't care about you. In some ways, I don't blame some single men for not being motivated to do certain things that others might consider self improvement, opting to instead do things that are of some comfort to themselves. But specifically on the topic of house chores, I agree men should do chores or do whatever type of cooperation that makes life easier for both p…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 02:38 PM
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I think you skipped something. A lot of women are simply more difficult to impress or enter into a relationship with for whatever reason. It's probably because of our ever increasingly consumeristic ideals about love combined with an effort to move away from traditional masculinity and femininity Also plenty of people spend time with their friends who made long term relationships work. It's obviously not a bad idea but idk if it really translates
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 02:15 PM
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For men it’s finding drinkable water in a desert and for women it’s finding drinkable water in a swamp. If you have the tools like 2 pots, a covering, and a fire pit to take the swamp water and boil down the toxins and a few times to purify it through distillation, then you are surrounded by potentially drinkable water if you are a woman. You would have so much water that you could conceivably give that water to men in or from the desert essentially. The problem with men is that you can't drink …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 02:02 PM
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What if he's fixing your car for free and fixing things around the house? Traditionally masculine things
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 01:23 PM
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I haven't seen much of that. Usually it's relevant information but there's far too often people that have to say "but women have it worse". dudes that want to be lazy and not contribute I'm not sure what you mean by that. Idk why women constantly tell men to do more but have only rewarded men with less affection and acceptance as the decades have continued. Why should someone want to extend themselves for you if you don't at least do the easiest thing first and welcome them with open arms? This …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 12:52 PM
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Hikikomori are a product of a society that overworks its people sometimes to the point of death and creates the most loneliness compared to perhaps any other country on the planet. That's not really something you "tell yourself", unless you think e.g. telling yourself that water is liquid is what makes water a liquid.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 12:32 PM
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Dating isn’t a team game. I don't think that's exactly true, otherwise why form society? Why institutionalize and culturally promote monogamy?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 12:28 PM
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Wait, then why would humans create society? Why don't we live like reptiles then? Why not live in isolation scavenging and hunting on our own, while only mating in the form of one night stands and flings that only last a few weeks at best? Hunter gatherers were not like that at all
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 08:10 AM
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Imo, porn may be what's keeping the growing surplus of sexless men from being so frustrated that they become violent or predatory. Because you can't make someone like you, and women are simply more shallow and difficult to impress than perhaps ever, while men have become less shallow and easier to impress as it pertains to valuing women. Men are just getting finessed more and more by these people while being made fun of for it if they dare to express how they feel e.g. nice guy, simp, incel.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 07:42 AM
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Seems a bit too convenient but ok
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 07:35 AM
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A man who is destructive towards himself and/or others who are innocent/non aggressive. Stagnation is not destructive imo unless it is stagnation in away that enables the destruction of oneself and/or others. I.e. if it is stagnation in a place where one does not have his own place or reliable transportation, food and income, and does not evolve his thinking in some constructive way towards peace of some kind with others and himself
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 08:00 PM
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Very insightful, thank you
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 01:50 AM
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I guess you already knew about men being "provider/success objects"? Does that objectification of men make more intuitive sense to you than the way women have been and felt objectified? Does it seem more acceptable to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 01:01 PM
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