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| 1 | Have you considered that the criticism of female behaviour is on RP is on a par with that of male that routinely appears on mainstream women's media lie Jezebel and the Guardian, and that RP only sticks out because its taboo for the criticize women and its normal to criticize men in the culture?Nah, if the mens movement ever has a place like radfem hub where male genocide is advocated by name and professional feminists. Or the mens movement is deliberately covering up pedophilia, domestic abuse sexual aggression and child abuse by men in to create hate propaganda against women by taring all women with these human problems. Or celebrated mra's shot people, or celebrated mra's described getting a child drunk and raping them as good ... you can judge us as on a par with you. As a feminist… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/14 05:03 PM |
| 1 | TIME Magazine: It’s Time to End ‘Rape Culture’ HysteriaNo, SPLC never declared the MM a hate group, they did write some very dishonest articles about it and used Manboobz as a source. The SPLC have been dropped as a source on hate groups by the fbi, because they are irrelevant are associated with inciting terrorism these days. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/04/14 02:26 PM |
| 1 | Have you considered that the criticism of female behaviour is on RP is on a par with that of male that routinely appears on mainstream women's media lie Jezebel and the Guardian, and that RP only sticks out because its taboo for the criticize women and its normal to criticize men in the culture?I'm talking about the feminists writers in the guardian, best sellers like the rules, Amanda Marcotte, mumsnrt.org ... its unthinkable comparing them to you, because its heresy for men to talk about women, the way women talk about men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/04/14 02:09 PM |
| 1 | Have you considered that the criticism of female behaviour is on RP is on a par with that of male that routinely appears on mainstream women's media lie Jezebel and the Guardian, and that RP only sticks out because its taboo for the criticize women and its normal to criticize men in the culture?RP is like reading a women's bestseller like "the rules", women's sites like "mumsnet" or Amanda Marcotte. It just seems shocking because people aren't used to seeing men talk about women, the way women are free to talk about men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/04/14 02:01 PM |
| 1 | Have you considered that the criticism of female behaviour is on RP is on a par with that of male that routinely appears on mainstream women's media lie Jezebel and the Guardian, and that RP only sticks out because its taboo for the criticize women and its normal to criticize men in the culture?There is a clear difference between bitching about men as men (womens media) or bitching about women as women (RP) and criticizing people that happen to be men or women as professionals. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/14 09:42 PM |
| 6 | Is being a male sexual sub something that could work with Red Pill?Beta males are the most common type of man, and most people seem to want others to lead and take responsibility, etc. I think you are describing omegas and beta on the omega end of the spectrum. Beta males take on responsibility and can lead, its just that they do so under the direction of Alphas. RedPill etc is generally omega males and beta males learning to be more assertive betas, under the teachings and theories of alphas in my estimation. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/14 07:29 PM |
| 1 | How does red pill deal with Roissys apparent hamstering and projections?Wouldn't an older man have a lot of difficulty striking up a relationship with a woman with half his maturity? (Or even less that depending upon his or her intelligence). And visa versa, which calls her agenda into question. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/14 06:55 PM |
| 1 | How does red pill deal with Roissys apparent hamstering and projections?Who would you say would have more or less success in playing that numbers game of approaches, the walling woman, or the aging bad boy. I would say both would have at least similar rates of success, and would lean twords the walling woman having more sexual currency. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/14 01:25 PM |
| 1 | How does red pill deal with Roissys apparent hamstering and projections?Sure, the more approaches you do the better the numbers get, that's a numbers game. Older guys generally don't want to be hitting on people in bars anymore than the walling women that want to settle down do though. It still doesn't mean that men that trade on their looks and bad boy appeal that have high numbers aren't bad relationship material that don't hit their own walls. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/14 01:05 PM |
| 2 | Here is the TEDx Talk I did about men's rights and gender equality. let me know what you think!How times have changed. Looking forward to listening to this when I get back. | /r/MensRights | 28/01/14 01:03 PM |
| 1 | How does red pill deal with Roissys apparent hamstering and projections?This is all based on advice for guys aren't naturally attracting women. I was 15 and going for school lunch with a friends older sister in her twenties and fucking her and going back to a small school where I was looked up to. I fucked a significant % of the attractive girls, often years older than me in the area before I left, you don't need to build up situation confidence, if that's your situation. As I said, I have whats called bad boy appeal, over traded on it too. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/14 12:35 PM |
| 1 | How does red pill deal with Roissys apparent hamstering and projections?No, I'm, 40. Picture exchange an internet dating wasn't really going on when I was younger, I was in my mid twenties before mobile phones were common, and I've only really started being on the internet regularly in the last 5 years because I'm not socializing in bars and clubs anymore. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/14 12:13 PM |
| 1 | How does red pill deal with Roissys apparent hamstering and projections?You know when you just know, also groups of friends, friends of friends and so on, I was in the swinging scene for a while too. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/14 11:52 AM |
| 3 | Why do social justice warriors and the like constantly attack the "weakest" men for no reason?Many of them were bullied or ostracized for not being man enough, too weak, to weird, gay, trans etc. That's why they act like a gang of bullies when given the chance, imo. | /r/MensRights | 28/01/14 11:46 AM |
| 1 | How does red pill deal with Roissys apparent hamstering and projections?I used to, and when I was in my teens and twenties I didn't have to approach really, plate spinning was effortless, that changes as you get older. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/14 11:41 AM |
| 2 | How does red pill deal with Roissys apparent hamstering and projections?Either you're not approaching them, or girls are testing you about being old and you're failing because you're clearly insecure about it. No, I'm in a long term D/s relationship, five years now. With a woman my own age who most guys on TRP would be afraid of because she is sexually experienced and divorced, like I am. I'm taking about the cold hard facts of being an aging bad boy who is still out in the singles scene. Sure, you can fuck women riding the carousel, like you are. I already said tha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/14 11:30 AM |
| 0 | Have you considered that the criticism of female behaviour is on RP is on a par with that of male that routinely appears on mainstream women's media lie Jezebel and the Guardian, and that RP only sticks out because its taboo for the criticize women and its normal to criticize men in the culture?In the Jezebel article I linked to, they are talking about CDC data that shows women are more likely to initiate reciprocal DV, and that 70% of non reciprocal DV is female on male. I'm also basing it on the fact that over whelming majority of studies that find DV is more or less equal [1], the papers that academics have written about the methods that feminist researchers have traditionally used to produce the few biased data sets that back them up and cover up the truth about DV including intimi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/14 11:27 AM |
| -1 | Have you considered that the criticism of female behaviour is on RP is on a par with that of male that routinely appears on mainstream women's media lie Jezebel and the Guardian, and that RP only sticks out because its taboo for the criticize women and its normal to criticize men in the culture?because of the ratio between male and female abuse? The perceived ratio of female / male abuse is caused by pro feminist researchers manipulating data, and man bashing articles in the mainstream that misrepresent abuse as gendered. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/14 11:13 AM |
| 0 | Have you considered that the criticism of female behaviour is on RP is on a par with that of male that routinely appears on mainstream women's media lie Jezebel and the Guardian, and that RP only sticks out because its taboo for the criticize women and its normal to criticize men in the culture?I'm not letting extremes be my baseline, I'm using what it and isn't controversial in the mainstream as my baseline. People just accept mainstream publications stereotyping abuse as male, and male bashing articles because they are typical in the mainstream female media. When TRP or similar turns the tables and criticizes women as a group, people start freaking out. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/14 10:43 AM |
| 0 | Have you considered that the criticism of female behaviour is on RP is on a par with that of male that routinely appears on mainstream women's media lie Jezebel and the Guardian, and that RP only sticks out because its taboo for the criticize women and its normal to criticize men in the culture?Sorry, I though I was responding to a different thread. I was taking about blue pill culture, as in the general culture. For example, here is a mainstream women's publication and many the women in the comments section, celebrating domestic violence against men. http://jezebel.com/294383/have-you-ever-beat-up-a-boyfriend-cause-uh-we-have This won't make waves in the mainstream, because misandry and bashing men is the norm. Were a similar thread to appear in TRP, it would be a totally different st… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/14 10:34 AM |
| 2 | Have you considered that the criticism of female behaviour is on RP is on a par with that of male that routinely appears on mainstream women's media lie Jezebel and the Guardian, and that RP only sticks out because its taboo for the criticize women and its normal to criticize men in the culture?I made the mistake of assuming that there would be strong over lap between TBP and srs / manboobz types. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/14 10:13 AM |
| 5 | Have you considered that the criticism of female behaviour is on RP is on a par with that of male that routinely appears on mainstream women's media lie Jezebel and the Guardian, and that RP only sticks out because its taboo for the criticize women and its normal to criticize men in the culture?Take a typical article on domestic or sexual violence, one that makes out these crimes are gendered, for example. Also, it's taboo to criticize women? Really? Really? Yes, women as a group and female behaviour. Do you read major news outlets? Female politicians don't get criticized? Female performers? Female bloggers? Journalists? Writers? Actresses? They are more likely being criticized as individual professionals, not women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/14 10:08 AM |
| 2 | How does red pill deal with Roissys apparent hamstering and projections?Thanks. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/14 10:06 AM |
| 1 | Have you considered that the criticism of female behaviour is on RP is on a par with that of male that routinely appears on mainstream women's media lie Jezebel and the Guardian, and that RP only sticks out because its taboo for the criticize women and its normal to criticize men in the culture?OK. Thanks for your answer. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/14 10:05 AM |
| 1 | How does red pill deal with Roissys apparent hamstering and projections?All that's left? Bullshit. Believing things along these lines is part of a scarcity mentality, a defeatist self fulfilling prophecy. No, its a cold hard fact. There aren't any other types out there. Baring people that are already in relationships. Its not defeatist for me, I'm aware that over trading on bad boy appeal and aging tends to leave you in a pool with similar women, I'm fine with it. Its just like going to church groups puts a person in the vicinity of more unicorns etc, just like bein… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/14 10:04 AM |
| 2 | Just saw this posted on Facebook. Textbook example of a straw man fallacy.What they call a nice guy is a guy that uses typically female styles of trying to get a partner. | /r/MensRights | 28/01/14 09:58 AM |
| 2 | How does red pill deal with Roissys apparent hamstering and projections?For fucks sake, do you not know who this person is? By his own description he is still in the bars and meeting walling women. Younger, in demand guys aren't meeting walling women, because they are not their peers and equivalents. Do you really buy into the theory that the more a man ages, and the more people he picks up in bars, the more desirable to the highest quality women that are looking to settle down he becomes? Total nonsense. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/14 01:04 AM |
| 3 | Have you considered that the criticism of female behaviour is on RP is on a par with that of male that routinely appears on mainstream women's media lie Jezebel and the Guardian, and that RP only sticks out because its taboo for the criticize women and its normal to criticize men in the culture?Ah ok. my bad. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/14 12:53 AM |
| 0 | Have you considered that the criticism of female behaviour is on RP is on a par with that of male that routinely appears on mainstream women's media lie Jezebel and the Guardian, and that RP only sticks out because its taboo for the criticize women and its normal to criticize men in the culture?Do you really believe that the more time he spends aging and picking up, the higher his value is, the more unicorns and ltr's are available to him rather than the reverse? If you do you are drinking RP Kool Aid. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/14 12:53 AM |
| 2 | Have you considered that the criticism of female behaviour is on RP is on a par with that of male that routinely appears on mainstream women's media lie Jezebel and the Guardian, and that RP only sticks out because its taboo for the criticize women and its normal to criticize men in the culture?Extraordinary or not, that is a claim. Evidence? Have you ever seen a feminist source saying DV is equal, women commit 70% of child abuse and at least 30% of sexual violence? You will be more used to hearing a narrative, one in which abuse is gendered, something that happens to women, and women don't really do. The extraordinary and outlandish claim, is the one that feminists are making when you think about it. A few sources on how the movement maintains that narrative. http://pubpages.unh.edu/~… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/14 12:48 AM |
| 2 | Oxford Dictionary defines a rapist as "typically a MAN". Please email [email protected] about this horrible mistake.You're not wrong. Is just that is the least likely way a woman is going to rape. Counting women's penetrations, a rapist will still typically be a man. If the crime is specified as penetrative, its going to capture mainly men. | /r/MensRights | 28/01/14 12:02 AM |
| 2 | Have you considered that the criticism of female behaviour is on RP is on a par with that of male that routinely appears on mainstream women's media lie Jezebel and the Guardian, and that RP only sticks out because its taboo for the criticize women and its normal to criticize men in the culture?Where did you base this on? Because part and parcel of RP, is being able to see the double standards in the media | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/14 11:03 PM |
| 2 | Have you considered that the criticism of female behaviour is on RP is on a par with that of male that routinely appears on mainstream women's media lie Jezebel and the Guardian, and that RP only sticks out because its taboo for the criticize women and its normal to criticize men in the culture?Im not taking about underreported DV against men, Im taking about the deliberate omission of female perpetration to mislead people to beleve that abuse is male. Do you have an example of this propaganda at all? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Its not an extra ordinary claim. It has been well documented that abuse is not male. Its well known that feminist researchers and information outlets misrepresent it as male. Also, you've presented a false equivalence Its a false equiva… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/14 10:46 PM |
| 0 | Have you considered that the criticism of female behaviour is on RP is on a par with that of male that routinely appears on mainstream women's media lie Jezebel and the Guardian, and that RP only sticks out because its taboo for the criticize women and its normal to criticize men in the culture?For years the Guardian has promoted gendered abuse propaganda. You just don't see it as bad because its normalized, thats the point of the question. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/14 10:27 PM |
| 4 | Have you considered that the criticism of female behaviour is on RP is on a par with that of male that routinely appears on mainstream women's media lie Jezebel and the Guardian, and that RP only sticks out because its taboo for the criticize women and its normal to criticize men in the culture?You can be against TRP and against misandrists, and not realize that Jezebel and many examples of the womens media are on a par. Part of being Blue Pill is treating misogny as an ultimate heresy while not noticing equivalent misandry all over the mainstream. I made a meme about it ... http://i.imgur.com/mko8ekJ.jpg | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/14 10:26 PM |
| 1 | Have you considered that the criticism of female behaviour is on RP is on a par with that of male that routinely appears on mainstream women's media lie Jezebel and the Guardian, and that RP only sticks out because its taboo for the criticize women and its normal to criticize men in the culture?hat's an empirical claim. It's not "on par" with anything above. To a BP person covering up women's abuse to misrepresent abuse as male, isn't on a par with being critical of women on RP. That was the point of the question. Which one is that? Can't remember, she posted at RADFEM HUB, as well as being a well known feminist and regular Guardian contributor. You think gendercide is a mainstream media position that no one would bat an eye over? It was well publicized with a press release what was go… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/14 10:09 PM |
| 3 | Have you considered that the criticism of female behaviour is on RP is on a par with that of male that routinely appears on mainstream women's media lie Jezebel and the Guardian, and that RP only sticks out because its taboo for the criticize women and its normal to criticize men in the culture?You have not refuted the head line, the only arguments that have been made are "its not true because there are no exact equivalents just with the genders reversed". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/14 10:01 PM |
| 3 | Have you considered that the criticism of female behaviour is on RP is on a par with that of male that routinely appears on mainstream women's media lie Jezebel and the Guardian, and that RP only sticks out because its taboo for the criticize women and its normal to criticize men in the culture?Citing SCUM is old hat really. You are more likely to find MRA's exposing the fact modern feminism is spreading hate by presenting abuse as male by omitting the stats on female perpetrated DV, child abuse and sexual violence. There is no shortage of publications doing that, thats on a par with the worst RP has to offer. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/14 09:58 PM |
| 4 | How does red pill deal with Roissys apparent hamstering and projections?Different standards don't apply, Roissy is just as fucked as far as ltr and romantic prospects go as the women in the bars that are just like him. I know because I'm an aging person that over traded on bad boy appeal too. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/14 09:51 PM |
| 1 | Have you considered that the criticism of female behaviour is on RP is on a par with that of male that routinely appears on mainstream women's media lie Jezebel and the Guardian, and that RP only sticks out because its taboo for the criticize women and its normal to criticize men in the culture?If you want Guardian examples. They have been promoting the idea that domestic violence is male for years, along with numerous other feministy sites. One of their contributors is also a contributor on a site that advocates male targeted gendercide and eugenics. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/14 09:48 PM |
| 6 | Have you considered that the criticism of female behaviour is on RP is on a par with that of male that routinely appears on mainstream women's media lie Jezebel and the Guardian, and that RP only sticks out because its taboo for the criticize women and its normal to criticize men in the culture?I didn't say that women's mainstream media is producing the exact reversals. I said mainstream women's area's are producing equivalent levels of misandry and have been for years, but nobody bats an eye. RP type sites are in many ways a push back against that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/14 09:45 PM |
| 5 | Have you considered that the criticism of female behaviour is on RP is on a par with that of male that routinely appears on mainstream women's media lie Jezebel and the Guardian, and that RP only sticks out because its taboo for the criticize women and its normal to criticize men in the culture?No. I just wanted to ask blue pill people that are outraged by misogny on ROK or RP if they realized that mainstream women's publications and just as bad, but that reality flies under their BP radar because its normalized. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/14 09:42 PM |
| 1 | Have you considered that the criticism of female behaviour is on RP is on a par with that of male that routinely appears on mainstream women's media lie Jezebel and the Guardian, and that RP only sticks out because its taboo for the criticize women and its normal to criticize men in the culture?This is goal setting. Can I offer you a Jezebele article in which writers and commentators celebrate domestic violence against men instead? The point remains, even if there is no exact equivalent of the eating disorder article. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/14 09:37 PM |
| 2 | How does red pill deal with Roissys apparent hamstering and projections?He is an aging bad boy, with a high number still in the bars picking up, who criticizes similar women. This is going by his own descriptions. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/14 09:34 PM |
| 4 | Oxford Dictionary defines a rapist as "typically a MAN". Please email [email protected] about this horrible mistake.This isn't a mistake. Rape laws either define a rapist as someone who penetrates another, or a man who penetrates a women. Ergo - rapists will typically be male. Oxford = UK, in the Uk women cannot be rapists at all. | /r/MensRights | 27/01/14 09:26 PM |
| 6 | How does red pill deal with Roissys apparent hamstering and projections?Yes the stereotype is established, but it doesn't last, the women that do this grow out of it and there isn't exactly a demand for aging bad boys, unless they are rock stars, who are still going to be attracting women riding the carousel and gold diggers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/14 09:20 PM |
| 1 | How does red pill deal with Roissys apparent hamstering and projections?Men tend to want sex before commitment, while women tend to want commitment before sex. TRP also says that women that want commitment before sex are unicorns. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/14 09:17 PM |
| 2 | How does red pill deal with Roissys apparent hamstering and projections?I've added some elaboration to what the male wall looks like on the text of the question. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/14 09:04 PM |
| 5 | How does red pill deal with Roissys apparent hamstering and projections?Men wanting a good woman they can safely love for the rest of their lives doesn't validate TRP It invalidates the theory that men want sex and women want commitment. I'm actually a fan of RP btw, I just question some of the dogma. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/14 08:30 PM |
| 4 | How does red pill deal with Roissys apparent hamstering and projections?In redpill theory men don't have a wall, but there are plenty of men out there that overtraded on good looks and bad boy appeal that were thought to be too high risk for ltr by the "unicorns" and through their own habits and nature rendered themselves unsuitable for ltr. Exactly like the women that rode the carousel. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/14 08:28 PM |
| 6 | How does red pill deal with Roissys apparent hamstering and projections?Ok fair enough. That raises another question though. I get the impression that a lot of redpill men are actually looking for "unicorns" to commit to. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/14 08:02 PM |
| 8 | From webmd's "balance" section. I'm a woman but I'm glad to see this gaining attention. It happens to everyone equally.It opens with the myth that most DV "befalls women" however. The largest study ever recently found that men and women commit DV at equal rates against each other ... which makes perfect sense if you are not looking through a traditionalist / feminist lens. | /r/MensRights | 22/10/13 09:06 AM |
| 18 | I am a feminist and I say we are the same.Read this and get back to us. http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mas2/V71-Straus_Thirty-Years-Denying-Evidence-PV_10.pdf | /r/MensRights | 21/10/13 05:11 PM |
| 2 | why are women not punished when having drunk sex?That isn't the definition for legal contracts. For the person that agreed, thre has to be significant impairment and there is better much chance of recourse if the person with the contract getting them to sign knew about the impairment - ie. mens rea. (What organised feminism is threatening). Fuck, you just make shit as you go along, its really fucking boring at this stage. | /r/MensRights | 21/10/13 04:01 PM |
| 3 | A question of 'Rape Culture'Depends on the jurisdiction, for example in the UK you have to be male and you have to penetrate for it to be rape. If you are answering questions on an america cdc survey, its not rape if a woman forces a man, woman or child to penetrate her. | /r/MensRights | 21/10/13 02:40 PM |
| 2 | why are women not punished when having drunk sex?Consent is legal term referring to an agreement. | /r/MensRights | 21/10/13 02:20 PM |
| 1 | A question of 'Rape Culture'I think like a lot of things feminist, its a projection. For example, there is research showing the cultural suppression of female sexuality, which they would call "rape culture" is really female in origin. http://psycnet.apa.org/index.cfm?fa=buy.optionToBuy&id=2002-02996-003 For another, they are opting not to publicize female perpetration of violation of consent. | /r/MensRights | 21/10/13 11:38 AM |
| 5 | A question of 'Rape Culture'Im not making a comparison to a legal stand point, these are legal standpoints and have been for a long time. "Consent" is a legal term, "consent to sex" is a legal term referring to agreeing to have sex , "rape" is the legal term for violation of that consent (by penetration). | /r/MensRights | 21/10/13 11:12 AM |
| 5 | A question of 'Rape Culture'universally accepted feminist belief that if a woman consumes alcohol or is under any influence it is unequivocally a man's duty never to have sex with her because it is defined by them to be rape, that she is no longer responsible and that all responsibility is the man's alone. I think this is a bit of a strawman, ... but anyway. What the organized movement is doing regarding consent laws is trying to make it even more like business contracts, you have legal recourse if you sign while not in yo… | /r/MensRights | 21/10/13 10:50 AM |
| 6 | A question of 'Rape Culture'Yeah, they have reasonable and valid points about it, while at the same time the organised movement is working to keep data on female perpetration off the radar and warp the legal system to make it easier for women to get an alleged rapist convicted regardless of the costs to mens legal rights, which are the real issues. | /r/MensRights | 21/10/13 10:38 AM |
| 27 | A question of 'Rape Culture'Here is a feminists definition Basically, "rape culture" describes a culture where there are widespread ideas and beliefs and attitudes that make rape more likely to happen. (Notice that's different from people actually thinking rape in theory is okay.) Not everybody who believes those things or lives in such a culture is a rapist, but those ideas work to make sexual violence more prevalent. Now, different feminist theorists would disagree about exactly what ideas contribute to rape culture (and… | /r/MensRights | 21/10/13 10:17 AM |
| -2 | A question of 'Rape Culture'Ask in /r/askfeminists People here don't really know. In /r/askfeminists they will tell you something like that its a collection of myths that make rape more likely to happen or be excused in some direct or indirect way - ie. a man with an erection is consenting / women wearing certain clothes are asking to be raped. | /r/MensRights | 21/10/13 10:11 AM |
| 1 | why are women not punished when having drunk sex?Your statement is contradictory and untrue, consent is a legal term in the first place and the law for a long time has looked at consent to sex as a contract - the term "consent to sex", describes a contract to have sex. "Rape" is the legal term used to describe taking without the consent or with non consent. So as usual you are getting even the basics wrong. Consent Voluntary Acquiescence to the proposal of another; the act or result of reaching an accord; a concurrence of minds; actual willing… | /r/MensRights | 21/10/13 06:56 AM |
| 3 | why are women not punished when having drunk sex?IDK, but you have legal recourse if you sign a contract while you are incapacitated. | /r/MensRights | 20/10/13 11:22 PM |
| 3 | why are women not punished when having drunk sex?Same reason you are not punished for signing a bad contract while drunk but have legal recourse if you do. | /r/MensRights | 20/10/13 10:59 PM |
| 1 | The things my friends post on Facebook...Our specific focus in this regard seems to be perpetual confusion about those inflammatory memes and rape prevention tips meanwhile, they publish misinformation about rape stats and threaten mens rea aka - something that is actually important to us - while we talk about largely inconsequential internet memes and saving women from rape by giving them patronizing tips. | /r/MensRights | 20/10/13 08:06 PM |
| 1 | The things my friends post on Facebook...We are not a rape prevention forum, I don't know why we are so hung up on rape tips and those deliberately inflammatory memes. | /r/MensRights | 20/10/13 07:34 PM |
| 1 | The things my friends post on Facebook...why not go to a rape prevention forum? | /r/MensRights | 20/10/13 07:15 PM |
| 1 | The things my friends post on Facebook...They have been trying to stop people giving rape prevention tips out based on the idea that it typically happens in a Hollywood story line scenario, lone girl, short skirt wrong part of town. Anyway, why care so much? | /r/MensRights | 20/10/13 06:11 PM |
| 1 | The things my friends post on Facebook...Fuck, why don't go to a rape prevention forum or go to ask feminists about it? | /r/MensRights | 20/10/13 05:56 PM |
| 1 | The things my friends post on Facebook...They have an inflammatory, sarcastic meme designed to start a conversation just like the tactics AV4M uses, I don't know why so many of us are perpetually sucked in by it. And the end of the day, who cares if they are making sarcastic comebacks to patronizing and misleading prevention tips. | /r/MensRights | 20/10/13 05:47 PM |
| 1 | The things my friends post on Facebook...The list is a snarky come back to patronizing rape prevention tips, idk why you are so into rape prevention tips ... | /r/MensRights | 20/10/13 05:02 PM |
| 1 | The things my friends post on Facebook...Nah, the analogy doesn't work because men aren't patronized and have the fear put into them in the same way. It would work if men were issued with a similar laundry list of dos and don't for everyday life because murder. | /r/MensRights | 20/10/13 03:18 PM |
| 1 | The things my friends post on Facebook...It depends on the culture, I grew up in a place where it was normal to leave a key in the front door. In places I lived later on with more crime culture this would be seen as "asking for it". | /r/MensRights | 20/10/13 09:55 AM |
| -2 | The things my friends post on Facebook...The analogy doesn't work, men don't have it drilled into them to always be watching their drinks and not walk alone because murder in the first place. If we were given that sort of paranoiac and patronizing / infantalizing advice we wouldn't like it. | /r/MensRights | 20/10/13 09:53 AM |
| 0 | Found this comment on A Voice For Men. I think it deserves further discussion.The ad revenue on her youtube channel could easily pay for a hd camera, if she wanted one. Its sort of doing her and us a disservice by comparing her to an idiot like Rebecca Watson, I wish the atheists in the mrm would stop making her larger than life. | /r/MensRights | 20/10/13 09:35 AM |
| 2 | ABC will air a 20/20 program about Manosphere and Mens Rights groups harassing women online. Anita Sarkeesian has a starring role and will talk about the "abuse" she received from men online. I wonder if ABC will mention MRAs being attacked and abused by feminists in Toronto twice this year.I've linked you to the study in an edit, you can find details of threats and intimidation tactics, including the bomb scare I mentioned. I don't think there are many consequences for labelling you. You think that we should use an article full of lies about us, as an opportunity to stop people talking about the ways in which feminism is harming men and covering up abuse ... hardly a productive idea for us. | /r/MensRights | 19/10/13 11:08 PM |
| 2 | ABC will air a 20/20 program about Manosphere and Mens Rights groups harassing women online. Anita Sarkeesian has a starring role and will talk about the "abuse" she received from men online. I wonder if ABC will mention MRAs being attacked and abused by feminists in Toronto twice this year.Im not branding you as the other, I responded to your hostile and othering post. If you're actually trying to suggest that he's faced false rape accusations, that not occurred. I've been following Dr. Farrell since the 90s, since before many MRAs were born, and that's simply never happened. Feminists have been making false accusations about rape against Farrell for years. The violent protest in Toronto centred around making false accusations about rape against him in much the same the article we… | /r/MensRights | 19/10/13 11:01 PM |
| 4 | Something about the subreddit that slightly disturbs me.I don't see the posts you are talking about, probably because Im not personally interested in them. If men aren't allowed to talk about such things here, how can others learn about these ways in which men are disadvantaged?? | /r/MensRights | 19/10/13 09:56 PM |
| 10 | The things my friends post on Facebook...but "people" aren't given those patronizing rape prevention advice tips so it would lose all its meaning if it was gender neutral. | /r/MensRights | 19/10/13 08:37 PM |
| 6 | The things my friends post on Facebook...Its just a sharky come back for patronizing advice that women are given, its not really an issue. | /r/MensRights | 19/10/13 08:36 PM |
| 2 | ABC will air a 20/20 program about Manosphere and Mens Rights groups harassing women online. Anita Sarkeesian has a starring role and will talk about the "abuse" she received from men online. I wonder if ABC will mention MRAs being attacked and abused by feminists in Toronto twice this year.You don't know what you're taking about. You are just some follower feminist that has no clue Feminism has been covering up and misleading the public and followers like yourself about abuse data for decades. Do you know about the bomb threats made against researchers that told the truth about DV, made by professional feminists? Nope, you have no clue. See what happens when Warren Farrell tries to talk on behalf of men and boys - feminists make false accusations relating to rape against him, like… | /r/MensRights | 19/10/13 06:37 PM |
| 4 | Anyone watch last night's 20/20?ABCs goal is latching onto something that is supposedly dramatic and scandalous for ad revenue. | /r/MensRights | 19/10/13 06:06 PM |
| 2 | ABC will air a 20/20 program about Manosphere and Mens Rights groups harassing women online. Anita Sarkeesian has a starring role and will talk about the "abuse" she received from men online. I wonder if ABC will mention MRAs being attacked and abused by feminists in Toronto twice this year.I see, so the 3 decades history of feminists attacking, slandering and even threatening the likes of Erin Pizzy, Murray Struss, Warren Farrell, the fathers rights movement, Christine Hoff Sommers and people that tell the truth about abuse rates and so on is imagined. Most feminsits don't know the MRM exists, let alone 'tend to tell lies about men and mens movements'. See that article and coming documentary for proof of feminists telling lies about men and the mens movement. | /r/MensRights | 19/10/13 06:02 PM |
| 0 | ABC will air a 20/20 program about Manosphere and Mens Rights groups harassing women online. Anita Sarkeesian has a starring role and will talk about the "abuse" she received from men online. I wonder if ABC will mention MRAs being attacked and abused by feminists in Toronto twice this year.The people that are posting violent comments aren't bad seeds among us, they are just trolls trolling. You pretty much said to them that the people posting violent comments are an element among us. | /r/MensRights | 19/10/13 12:42 PM |
| 3 | ABC will air a 20/20 program about Manosphere and Mens Rights groups harassing women online. Anita Sarkeesian has a starring role and will talk about the "abuse" she received from men online. I wonder if ABC will mention MRAs being attacked and abused by feminists in Toronto twice this year.You want the movement stop taking about feminism's misrepresenting rape and rape as male and feminist legal discrimination against men in education and so on? There would be no movement left. This is a great opportunity to show exactly how feminists tend to tell lies about men and mens movements. | /r/MensRights | 19/10/13 12:39 PM |
| 14 | Anyone watch last night's 20/20?I suspect they pulled out after it because its so apparent their sources and journalists put so much misinformation into it. Or perhaps they had no intention of putting it on last night, and used the recent article to gather more material ... There are trolls and slanderers appearing in the comments section of the recent article, its probably best for us to have a presence there to be there calling them out. | /r/MensRights | 19/10/13 12:10 PM |
| -1 | feminine boys the byproduct of feminismHow can feminine boys be solely a byproduct of feminism when there were always feminine boys and environmental chemicals are feminizing boys. | /r/MensRights | 18/10/13 07:14 PM |
| 1 | Rape victims need to either shut up about it or tell enough details for me to masturbate to it. There are actually real problems in the world besides getting some sex you didn't want. Rape is derailing men's rights issues.Feminist making false accusations. | /r/MensRights | 17/10/13 03:03 PM |
| 1 | Anyone have domestic violence stats for the third world?Have a look for the 32 nation study by straus in /r/mensrightslinks | /r/MensRights | 17/10/13 03:00 PM |
| 5 | ABC will air a 20/20 program about Manosphere and Mens Rights groups harassing women online. Anita Sarkeesian has a starring role and will talk about the "abuse" she received from men online. I wonder if ABC will mention MRAs being attacked and abused by feminists in Toronto twice this year.Sarkeesian will have her name forever associated with lies and scams,if it is not already. | /r/MensRights | 17/10/13 10:13 AM |
| 1 | She says "College Men: Stop Getting Drunk" .... what do you all think about that?http://yesmeansyesblog.wordpress.com/2009/11/24/predator-redux/ | /r/MensRights | 16/10/13 10:45 PM |
| 6 | She says "College Men: Stop Getting Drunk" .... what do you all think about that?Totally debunked to Laisks predator theory data, which finds that rapists are sociopaths that know what they are doing, not accidental rapists. | /r/MensRights | 16/10/13 06:57 PM |
| -1 | Tell me there's no such thing as rape culture: Justice not served in Maryville teen sex case.Feminists are rape culture, just look at the way they cover up rape by omitting all the data on women forcing men, women and children to penetrate them. | /r/MensRights | 16/10/13 04:08 PM |
| 2 | Cognetive dissonanceIf you don't want to lock your doors, you can move to an area with little to no crime culture. Like country areas where its still normal to leave the key in the front door for convenience. That's one of their points, if people are saying you have to lock your doors, its only because of crime culture. | /r/MensRights | 16/10/13 02:34 PM |
| -2 | Cognetive dissonanceThey are talking about the principle of it really. | /r/MensRights | 16/10/13 02:33 PM |
| -2 | Sexual assault and drinking: Teach women the connection.This has nothing to do with mens rights really. Its more to do with rape prevention. | /r/MensRights | 16/10/13 09:25 AM |
| 2 | Feminism FAILSWe should have a separate mrascanstoprape movement for all the mra's that are interested in rape prevention tips. The real issues are mens rea, standards of evidence and the fact they are lying about rape stats. Bickering about rape prevention tips is a waste of time. | /r/MensRights | 15/10/13 06:39 PM |
| 1 | Re: Why I'm a FeministEmbarrassing alright, he made the person he was responding to look like the more informed one of the pair. | /r/MensRights | 15/10/13 01:48 PM |
| 1 | Re: Why I'm a FeministHe was making mistakes right off the bat, the first claim he made was that the data is sayig once the adjustments are made to the wage gap, women make more per hour. This isn't true, the data says that once the adjustments are made, there gap is 3 - 5 % but there is no evidence to say this gap is due to discrimination. | /r/MensRights | 15/10/13 01:47 PM |
| 2 | Re: Why I'm a FeministHe doesn't really know what hes talking about and isn't making strong arguments. Breast feeding in other cultures is not sexualized at all, so breastfeeding being seen as sexualized is its not some fixed thing, for one example. | /r/MensRights | 14/10/13 11:06 AM |
| 37 | hope: /r/feminism declares legitimacy of MRMYou have a very low opinion of the mens movement and an extremely over exaggerated high opinion of feminists if you think they get to say whether or not we are legitimate. | /r/MensRights | 13/10/13 09:28 PM |
| 1 | Female Marines will be required to complete three pullups in order to pass the PFT.Yeah thats what I thought too. | /r/MensRights | 13/10/13 07:12 PM |
| 2 | Female Marines will be required to complete three pullups in order to pass the PFT.Those aren't deadhangs IMO, she is kipping a little (swinging her legs forward to make herself lighter at the beginning of the movement, and back a quarter way through to reduce weight and generate momentum on the way up. | /r/MensRights | 13/10/13 03:14 PM |
| 1 | Female Marines will be required to complete three pullups in order to pass the PFT.Fuck, I've done 15 and don't really consider myself fit. | /r/MensRights | 13/10/13 03:12 PM |
| 1 | MRAs, what is your opinion of Return of Kings?I think its a way of making money from men that don't know much about women, and men they were brought up by single mothers. The promise of sex, secret knowledge and omnipotence is seductive and at least one study has shown that sexually marginalized men are more likely to buy into resentment and name calling of women that are not, so ROK is good bait. | /r/MensRights | 13/10/13 10:16 AM |
| 16 | No better than Misandrist Feminist.That's a critique of someones flawed behaviour, not misogny. | /r/MensRights | 12/10/13 06:14 PM |
| 10 | No better than Misandrist Feminist.Can you provide examples? | /r/MensRights | 12/10/13 03:16 PM |
| 10 | CDC: 1 in 71 Men Have Been RapedThat is the CDC lying. 1 in 71 is a number that excludes all incidences of a woman forcing a man to penetrate her, the true number of men that are forced to have sex is far higher than 1 in 71. Its equal to the number of women that are according to that studies 12 month data. Did they include that information in the summary or publicize it in anyway? Nope. | /r/MensRights | 11/10/13 07:20 AM |
| 2 | Rape nor domestic violence is not as prevalent as feminists try to portray, and sinking to their level with "male rape" and "male domestic" violence posts is absurd.I agree parroting feminism is distasteful. I myself use the fact the feminism is lying about DV and rape against feminism. | /r/MensRights | 10/10/13 09:33 AM |
| 3 | Has anyone noticed an alarming shift in the feminist agenda in the last twenty years?This is a case of the appropriation of feminism, and feminists following it thinking its feminism. Lecture about it here - the lecturer is Gail Dines - she tells many lies in it but talks a lot about the right wing neo liberal appropriation of feminism. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDcTt0emXhE | /r/MensRights | 10/10/13 03:02 AM |
| 4 | Has anyone noticed an alarming shift in the feminist agenda in the last twenty years?The mass marketing of sex isn't really feminism, its capitalism repackaging and selling "feminism" and sexual liberation. Sex is so mass marketed, people cannot tell the marketing from the sex, for example the misconception that the attacking of male targeted mags. that mass market products by linking them to sex, is an attack on male sexuality itself, rather than an attack on the packaging and mass marketing of sex. | /r/MensRights | 10/10/13 02:56 AM |
| 2 | The Justicar explains why "victim blaming" is complete hogwash.This is misleading and "victim blaming" isn't hogwash, how many times have your heard "should have kept it in his pants" in relation to reproductive abuse? | /r/MensRights | 09/10/13 11:39 PM |
| 6 | Why Is Chasing Sex With Women a Requirement of Masculinity?You threatened us with not being taken seriously, as if you get to decide whether we are valid or not. That's a treat, one that feminists commonly attempt to make, but I don't feel threatened by it. Why do you want us to stop talking about feminists covering up abuse? | /r/MensRights | 09/10/13 10:35 PM |
| 9 | Why Is Chasing Sex With Women a Requirement of Masculinity?You came here and made a threat, then you said some things that in my experience aren't true. There is a reason for anti-feminism, see that link I gave about how the movement covers up abuse, for example. See how feminists have traditionally mocked male victims of abuse with "what about teh menz lol" for another. Why do you want us to stop taking about how feminism covers up abuse? | /r/MensRights | 09/10/13 09:47 PM |
| 11 | Why Is Chasing Sex With Women a Requirement of Masculinity?It was a threat. Feminists frequently threaten us with not being taken seriously because we say things they don't want us to say. Most feminists, I'm sure, would agree that domestic violence is bad no matter who is the victim. Nope, they have been calling making it gender neutral "what about teh menz lol" and dishonestly claim the stats we use are bogus. and the movement has been deliberately covering up female DV since the 1970s. http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mas2/V71-Straus_Thirty-Years-Denying-Evi… | /r/MensRights | 09/10/13 08:48 PM |
| 11 | Why Is Chasing Sex With Women a Requirement of Masculinity?If I had a penny for everytime I've heard feminists threatening "if mras want to be taken seriously they need to x, y z" I'd have a fair few pennies. they are more annoyed that a staggering number of "MRAs" think that the proper time to discuss issues of masculinity is in the middle of a discussion on feminine issues. You are confused, mra's object to feminists framing human issues like domestic violence as feminine issues, when mra's point out that such issues are actually human and not feminin… | /r/MensRights | 09/10/13 08:05 PM |
| 13 | Why Is Chasing Sex With Women a Requirement of Masculinity?The author of the article is an mra. If feminists want to be taken seriously, they should stop trying to act as if feminists get to dictate what mra's talk about. | /r/MensRights | 09/10/13 07:49 PM |
| 2 | Why Is Chasing Sex With Women a Requirement of Masculinity?Link to non good men project version here http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1o2xvv/why_is_chasing_sex_with_women_a_requirement_of/ | /r/MensRights | 09/10/13 06:31 PM |
| 10 | Any boys or men out there who were sexually assaulted by women?Depends on the definitions you are using, if we use feminist definitions most of us including yourself will being sexually assaulted by a woman. | /r/MensRights | 09/10/13 04:37 PM |
| 2 | [FRA] Charges dropped against Temple football player accused of rape, expelled from the University, stripped of his scholarship, and nationally vilified, after text messages showing that woman made it up to avoid football "groupie" image.I never said it was the correct response. I said that many of these false accusations are motivated by avoiding sexual / slut shaming. Shame is one of the more painful human emotions. | /r/MensRights | 09/10/13 02:19 PM |
| 5 | Typhonblue pulls the rug out from under the anti-MRA ice-cream-privilege memeNice one. | /r/MensRights | 09/10/13 11:17 AM |
| 1 | [FRA] Charges dropped against Temple football player accused of rape, expelled from the University, stripped of his scholarship, and nationally vilified, after text messages showing that woman made it up to avoid football "groupie" image.Of course its a cause. False accusations are often made to avoid some negative consequences, one of those being labelled a slut. | /r/MensRights | 09/10/13 09:18 AM |
| 1 | TIL men never need to pack a back. They also don't have to be cautious because they're never the victims of violence.I don't give a shit about rape prevention advice. Except to say that we look like idiots going on about it so much, while never really knowing what their arguments are in the first place. Until feminists stop with these two silly stances, then people will continue to make these arguments. Thats an enormous amount of undeserved power and attention to give to poe trolls and illogical tumblr type feminists. If you are sucked in by deliberately inflammatory rhetoric, its on you. The real issues are … | /r/MensRights | 09/10/13 09:15 AM |
| 1 | TIL men never need to pack a back. They also don't have to be cautious because they're never the victims of violence.I don't really care about rape prevention tips, except to say that we have a rather pointless obsession with arguing for them. | /r/MensRights | 08/10/13 08:45 PM |
| -1 | [FRA] Charges dropped against Temple football player accused of rape, expelled from the University, stripped of his scholarship, and nationally vilified, after text messages showing that woman made it up to avoid football "groupie" image.Men and women are doing it, women gossip and spread rumors about "sluts", sexually inexperienced guys say they can't respect them, for examples of how it might work. Its the reason behind a lot of false accusations. | /r/MensRights | 08/10/13 04:14 PM |
| -12 | [FRA] Charges dropped against Temple football player accused of rape, expelled from the University, stripped of his scholarship, and nationally vilified, after text messages showing that woman made it up to avoid football "groupie" image.Good example of slut shaming causing a false accusation. She should still be charged, even though she did it to avoid retards judging her sexual behaviour. | /r/MensRights | 08/10/13 02:24 PM |
| 2 | Oxford Dictionary defines a rapist as "A MAN who commits rape". Please email [email protected] about this horrible mistake.Never said it was, if the dictionary is just repeating the actual definition of rape, which it is,the dictionary is being accurate, not inaccurate. | /r/MensRights | 07/10/13 06:36 PM |
| 1 | Oxford Dictionary defines a rapist as "A MAN who commits rape". Please email [email protected] about this horrible mistake.Its not a mistake, its correct according to English law. | /r/MensRights | 07/10/13 06:45 AM |
| 1 | I was happy to see this in my Health class text book.Thanks :) Same back at you. Not sure why you are getting downvotes. The guy that made the man woman and myth videos has said he thinks men are so used to being put down, we will take slightly better treatment gratefully, even if its still poor quality treatment. I agree and think that's why you get these gushing and grateful posts here when men are being included in something, while still being insulted. | /r/MensRights | 05/10/13 11:31 AM |
| 5 | More Evidence!Just go to /r/mensrightslinks | /r/MensRights | 04/10/13 09:29 PM |
| -2 | I was happy to see this in my Health class text book.Read it again. What they are calling sexual harassment for men is what they would call attempted rape for women and sexual harassment for women is an unwanted glace. | /r/MensRights | 04/10/13 02:50 PM |
| 1 | Letting the girls win - Technician: ViewpointSo the article is saying feminism is "benevolent sexism", in much the the same way that by feminism's definition of what patriarchy does, feminism's covering up of female abuse perpetration and depiction of abuse as male is patriarchy. | /r/MensRights | 04/10/13 10:00 AM |
| 1 | I Was Raped By a Woman (And Then Dated Her For Two Years) - This makes me wonder how many men are out there holding onto similar stories.We have some rules about linking to GMP don't we? We generally don't on account of their misandry and anti mra lies they have told. | /r/MensRights | 03/10/13 10:52 AM |
| 5 | The Most Fair and Honest Huffington Post column on MRA's that I Have Ever ReadKudos to CAFE, and AVfMs controversial tactics. | /r/MensRights | 02/10/13 06:36 PM |
| 6 | I just can't do it any more.I have a point. If you don't understand that social movements run on outrage and anger, you don't know how social movements work. The whole reason the mens movement made the shift from what you are advocating for, is that it was totally ineffective and that its not how social movements work. All the explosive growth and success in the last 3 three years is down to being inflammatory and controversial. If there is no body of angry and outraged people or inflammatory rhetoric to get them so, there… | /r/MensRights | 02/10/13 03:40 PM |
| 11 | I just can't do it any more.It compared one social movement with another, anyone that doesn't understand that anger, inflammatory rhetoric and outrage are key ingredients for social movement success doesn't know how social movements work. | /r/MensRights | 02/10/13 02:53 PM |
| 13 | TIL that of the 20 richest women in the world, all of them except #17, inherited their money from either their husband or their father. (xpost TIL)We strawman far too much around here, imo. | /r/MensRights | 01/10/13 03:04 PM |
| 1 | How are we supposed to achieve male equality?The main obstacle to getting mens issues into the gender equality debate has been the dominant group in the gender equality debate, for decades we have been shut out and painted as the enemy. Its because of that the men's movement decided to become more radical, and it seems to be working - through opposing feminism, there will be a platform for both men men and women. | /r/MensRights | 01/10/13 02:55 PM |
| 0 | TIL that of the 20 richest women in the world, all of them except #17, inherited their money from either their husband or their father. (xpost TIL)That is the logical and guaranteed outcome of certain social and biological factors. | /r/MensRights | 01/10/13 02:41 PM |
| 1 | Sarcastic reply to notion that rape is women's faultOk, sorry for my being hostile about it. | /r/MensRights | 30/09/13 08:19 PM |
| 2 | Sarcastic reply to notion that rape is women's faultWhat's this we business, we aren't the clothes / alcohol / curfew police. | /r/MensRights | 30/09/13 07:25 PM |
| -3 | Lets make a list of MRAs that used to be feministsYeah but before that he was one of the originators of walk a mile in her sanitary napkin, which was later changesd to walk a mile in her shoes. | /r/MensRights | 30/09/13 12:24 AM |
| -5 | Lets make a list of MRAs that used to be feministsDemonspawn, Factory and Paul Elam where all fanatical feminists at one point. | /r/MensRights | 29/09/13 11:00 PM |
| 2 | Massive List of Convenient, Summarized Studies Showing That Women Equally Perpetrate Physical Violence, Emotional Violence, and Sexual Coercion in Relationships (Thank you Disqus User Ohone)YW :) | /r/MensRights | 28/09/13 08:27 PM |
| -1 | Anyone for a discussion series with /r/feminism?They aren't really interested, its been decades now and feminists do not want to talk. The non feminist and on the fence group are our pool. | /r/MensRights | 27/09/13 08:51 PM |
| 6 | Question on the prevalence of F on M rape.There are lots of sources. http://www.dottal.org/LBDUK/references_examining_men_as_vict.htm | /r/MensRights | 26/09/13 04:21 PM |
| 1 | TIL men never need to pack a back. They also don't have to be cautious because they're never the victims of violence.I haven't contradicted myself. Fuck I hate this forums obsession with rape prevention tips. If you are telling a woman the rape danger is so great in the general culture, she needs to hide her skin like a man in a crime culture needs to hide his rolex, you are in ironic agreement with the feminists about rape culture, you just don't know enough about what the theories are to know that. Why don't you go to a rape prevention tips forum? | /r/MensRights | 26/09/13 12:06 PM |
| 1 | TIL men never need to pack a back. They also don't have to be cautious because they're never the victims of violence.You don't know what their arguments are and are fixated on what sjw trolls say, and rape prevention tips. | /r/MensRights | 26/09/13 12:03 PM |
| 1 | TIL men never need to pack a back. They also don't have to be cautious because they're never the victims of violence.Nope, this are the threads about rape prevention tips and feminists arguments about rape prevention tips that I talk about, that you say don't exist. | /r/MensRights | 26/09/13 11:30 AM |
| 1 | TIL men never need to pack a back. They also don't have to be cautious because they're never the victims of violence.I didn't tie myself in a knot. They have some points, and they have inflammatory rhetoric about rape prevention tips. The mens movement is totally stumped by both, apparently. Its time to stop getting into an obsessive panic about rape prevention tips. | /r/MensRights | 26/09/13 11:28 AM |
| 1 | TIL men never need to pack a back. They also don't have to be cautious because they're never the victims of violence.Why do you fucking care so much about rape prevention tips? Why not go to a forum thats about rape prevention tips? | /r/MensRights | 26/09/13 11:25 AM |
| 1 | TIL men never need to pack a back. They also don't have to be cautious because they're never the victims of violence.Why don't you go to a rape prevention tips forum? | /r/MensRights | 26/09/13 11:21 AM |
| 1 | TIL men never need to pack a back. They also don't have to be cautious because they're never the victims of violence.Thunderfoot is going on about rape prevention tips. You claim this board isn't always going on about this stuff, yet here it is. | /r/MensRights | 26/09/13 11:15 AM |
| 1 | TIL men never need to pack a back. They also don't have to be cautious because they're never the victims of violence.You don't really know what feminists are saying in the first place. They are saying if its assumed that you are being targeted for showing skin, you know you are in a "rape culture". You say its common sense to assume you will be targeted for your rolex when in a crime culture. Same thing, you just don't know it. | /r/MensRights | 26/09/13 11:14 AM |
| 1 | TIL men never need to pack a back. They also don't have to be cautious because they're never the victims of violence.Whats is about if its not about rape prevention tips? | /r/MensRights | 26/09/13 11:09 AM |
| 1 | TIL men never need to pack a back. They also don't have to be cautious because they're never the victims of violence.That's what I said, that it depends entirely on the culture. Which is what feminists are saying. | /r/MensRights | 26/09/13 11:03 AM |
| 1 | TIL men never need to pack a back. They also don't have to be cautious because they're never the victims of violence.Fuck off with your rape prevention tips bullshit. I'm not interested in you going on and on about rape prevention tips and you misunderstanding of feminists points about rape prevention tips. | /r/MensRights | 26/09/13 11:00 AM |
| 1 | TIL men never need to pack a back. They also don't have to be cautious because they're never the victims of violence.Fucks sake, we are here on yet another thread about rape safety tips you idiot. and here is todays first thread about rape safety tips http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1n5rhh/teach_them_not_to_rape_thunderfoot/ | /r/MensRights | 26/09/13 10:58 AM |
| 1 | So is this sub reddit about equality or superiority? Serious question.Here is the history of feminism's manipulation of domestic abuse data, for example. http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mas2/V71-Straus_Thirty-Years-Denying-Evidence-PV_10.pdf | /r/MensRights | 26/09/13 09:20 AM |
| 2 | So is this sub reddit about equality or superiority? Serious question.When we are taking about feminism we are talking about the international political organisation that lies about statistics to obtain special rights and supremacy while masquerading as a movement thats about equal opportunities and equal rights. | /r/MensRights | 26/09/13 07:20 AM |
| 0 | TEACH THEM NOT TO RAPE! - thunderfootFuck, yet another post about rape safety tips. They are not actually advocating that women do not know anything about personal safety, they are advocating that people stop presuming that everyone that got raped, just "asked for it" by wearing the wrong clothes or some such because it hurts people with PTSD and keeping rape high on the public agenda with controversial activism and statements. And who gives a shit? This is just a squabble between people who want to give women patronizing rape prev… | /r/MensRights | 26/09/13 06:33 AM |
| 0 | An Open Letter to the Author of ‘How Circumcision Broke the Internet’I'm surprised this pro-men article was published on GMP. There will be no shortage of articles the mrm could have written being published at tgmp in the context of them pretending to be "leading the conversation." | /r/MensRights | 25/09/13 07:44 AM |
| 0 | An Open Letter to the Author of ‘How Circumcision Broke the Internet’Do you see one of the editors passive aggressive comments about how that article is "sane"? The people that run that publication are anti us. And whatever they have to say that we agree with, its coming years after we have already said it. btw I habitually down vote nativecanadian because of the context :) | /r/MensRights | 25/09/13 07:40 AM |
| 1 | TIL men never need to pack a back. They also don't have to be cautious because they're never the victims of violence.Girl wearing a short skirt in morocco will be harassed, in surfers paradise it wont really be noticed as anthing different - the difference is culture and who gives a fuck what women wear? Mra's like you apparently, but there are far more important issues than rape tips and what women wear and feminists objecting to rape tips. I wish you'd all stop treating what women wear and rape prevention tips as if they are our important business. | /r/MensRights | 25/09/13 06:58 AM |
| 1 | TIL men never need to pack a back. They also don't have to be cautious because they're never the victims of violence.If you want to say what applies to men in high crime cultures, applies to women and rape in the general culture, you are in ironic agreement with the feminists about the existence of rape culture. And Im not really interested in mra's that go on and on about rape tips and rape safety while knowing little to nothing about their "rape culture" theory. | /r/MensRights | 25/09/13 06:52 AM |
| 1 | TIL men never need to pack a back. They also don't have to be cautious because they're never the victims of violence.Mra's can go on and on about feminists objecting to rape safety tips, its here week in week out. Our understanding and contribution of their rape culture theory is largely to do with and limited to talking about rape safety tips and what women wear. | /r/MensRights | 25/09/13 06:50 AM |
| 0 | TIL men never need to pack a back. They also don't have to be cautious because they're never the victims of violence.I wasn't saying that "rape culture" exists. Although all the tips for men to avoid being mugged for example, only really apply in areas with a high crime culture, they don't really matter at the office. If you feel your nice trainers might make you a target, you are in a high crime culture. You won't feel that at the office. So if you don't want to say to women that the general culture is to rape and them what high crime cultures are to mugging and men ie rape cultures, you need to stop with giv… | /r/MensRights | 24/09/13 07:31 AM |
| 1 | TIL men never need to pack a back. They also don't have to be cautious because they're never the victims of violence.Its both, if you teach a girl the culture is such that you have to dress with rapists in mind, they might well sign up to fight this alleged culture. | /r/MensRights | 24/09/13 12:23 AM |
| 25 | The difference between women and men's rights.My cousin was a Chippendale and he was talking about guys having strips of flesh scratched off their backs. | /r/MensRights | 23/09/13 10:47 PM |
| 0 | TIL men never need to pack a back. They also don't have to be cautious because they're never the victims of violence.Yeah, I know its an older generation that got all that stuff really. | /r/MensRights | 23/09/13 08:27 PM |
| 0 | TIL men never need to pack a back. They also don't have to be cautious because they're never the victims of violence.Yeah, but its people giving them hysterical rape tips that make them paranoid, and then prime them to fight the "rape culture" they have been told they live in, in which short skirts make rape jump out. | /r/MensRights | 23/09/13 08:05 PM |
| -5 | TIL men never need to pack a back. They also don't have to be cautious because they're never the victims of violence.What I'm trying to say is that "rape culture" is part of the "crime culture". Thats what the radical feminist Bell Hooks says, its a violence culture in which rape culture is a part. Im really board with our apparent obsession with rape safety tips. If we spent 10% of the time taking about the actual problems like losing mens rea, instead of all this irrelevant rape tip nonsense wed be doing well. | /r/MensRights | 23/09/13 08:03 PM |
| 1 | TIL men never need to pack a back. They also don't have to be cautious because they're never the victims of violence.Yeah but women have traditionally got this really hysterical nonsense, get up in the morning, better not wear that because rape. | /r/MensRights | 23/09/13 08:00 PM |
| -5 | TIL men never need to pack a back. They also don't have to be cautious because they're never the victims of violence.Well, guys here tend to give an example of how the same applies to men, but use "gang culture" or high "crime culture" with lots of muggers to illustrate the point, which ironically makes the feminists "rape culture" point for them. If women are supposed to take the same precautions as men do in high crime cultures all the time in the general culture ... whats it saying? | /r/MensRights | 23/09/13 06:31 PM |
| -5 | TIL men never need to pack a back. They also don't have to be cautious because they're never the victims of violence.Ok fair enough I guess, but it only applies to specific cultures right? If you are up town with up town people the same rules don't apply. | /r/MensRights | 23/09/13 06:14 PM |
| -12 | TIL men never need to pack a back. They also don't have to be cautious because they're never the victims of violence.Nah, you aren't taught to get up on the average morning and chose specific clothes in case of murder. You'd prolly join up fight "murder culture" if you were. | /r/MensRights | 23/09/13 06:08 PM |
| 8 | TIL men never need to pack a back. They also don't have to be cautious because they're never the victims of violence.Nah, women have traditionally had really hysterical rules and regulations stressed to them because rape. | /r/MensRights | 23/09/13 06:07 PM |
| 3 | TIL men never need to pack a back. They also don't have to be cautious because they're never the victims of violence.2 what? Hysterical prevention tips? Dress this way because rape, always be watching your drink because rape. | /r/MensRights | 23/09/13 06:00 PM |
| 6 | TIL men never need to pack a back. They also don't have to be cautious because they're never the victims of violence.Men actually aren't given all the hysterical rape prevention rules women are taught from an early age though. | /r/MensRights | 23/09/13 05:14 PM |
| 3 | NCIS new season is anything but fiction considering Pauley Perrette’s war against her ex-husband (Pauly Perrette plays Abby on NCIS)Amazing work! | /r/MensRights | 23/09/13 11:32 AM |
| 1 | As a subreddit, lets have a conversation about male gender roles.Have a look at this Fathers of yesteryear tend to be portrayed as cold, detached, even callous creatures. But, says Steve Humphries, the cuddly, hands-on, sentimental dads we know today are by no means a modern-day creation. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/8744135.stm | /r/MensRights | 23/09/13 07:06 AM |
| 2 | As a subreddit, lets have a conversation about male gender roles.The legislation that changed the presumption of paternal custody, which obviously discriminated against the mother was changed to the presumption of maternal custody in the 1800s, via feminist Caroline Nortons activism. The demonization of fathers as abusers began in the 1970s via radical feminism. The alleged patriarchy (fathers) have been campaigning against that and other feminist legislation, that is what fathers rights is about. | /r/MensRights | 23/09/13 02:27 AM |
| 2 | As a subreddit, lets have a conversation about male gender roles.The issue we have is the feminist legislation that discriminates against fathers in the event of divorce, not so much the societal expectation. We focus on legal rights and the deliberate mischaracterization of men and fathers as abusers, societal expectations are sort of unimportant, by comparison. | /r/MensRights | 23/09/13 02:00 AM |
| 3 | As a subreddit, lets have a conversation about male gender roles.Well we talk about feminist legislation called the tender years doctrine which set the precedent for the best interests of the child, which basically means that the legal system grants the mother automatic custody rights and the father no automatic custody rights in the event of divorce, and how large feminist organisations oppose reform and often do that by demonizing fathers and father rights groups. Their narrative is that both parents should not have custody rights because it would lead to a… | /r/MensRights | 23/09/13 01:30 AM |
| 5 | As a subreddit, lets have a conversation about male gender roles.The male gender role traditionally is not involved in parenting This might well be another feminist myth though. Conventionally, the Victorian middle-class family has been regarded as a social and economic unit usually headed by a married man. The woman's role within this unit has been associated with service and dependency. However, a study of a middle-class area of Glasgow based upon the census returns of 1851–1891 suggests that the widely held image of the Victorian middle-class family as hea… | /r/MensRights | 23/09/13 12:08 AM |
| 9 | Anyone else thinks MRM is a losing battle, and the ship has sailed?So why not become their allies, and hope they'll eventually start giving more consideration to men's issues? This was tried for years, all they did was sneer and make false accusations, then the mens movement decided to go on the offensive instead, and it seems to be working well. Feminists forced the mens movement to become strongly anti feminist. | /r/MensRights | 22/09/13 01:27 PM |
| 3 | Anyone else thinks MRM is a losing battle, and the ship has sailed?Nah, not true at all. All social movements are stigmatized on the way to being successful the fact that feminists are working so hard to make false accusations against the mrm, is a testament to its success. | /r/MensRights | 22/09/13 01:26 PM |
| 0 | How Feminism has broken the systemYes, because pointing out contradictions = trolling. Well played for making us the equivalent of /r/feminism. | /r/MensRights | 20/09/13 08:28 PM |
| 0 | How Feminism has broken the systemYou keep contradicting yourself. | /r/MensRights | 20/09/13 08:22 PM |
| 1 | How Feminism has broken the systemAs I said earlier, women always did extra and part time work to make ends meet and it was only the wealthy that didn't have to work. The idea that there was ever a world where all the men worked and provided and all the women stayed at home full time is nonsense, except for the wealthy. | /r/MensRights | 20/09/13 08:10 PM |
| 0 | How Feminism has broken the systemYes laws. The first time round they tried to get a dual income family economy going was during the industrial revolution, after that there were laws passed that kept women and children out of the work place, from the 60s onwards there has been a gradual repeal and shift back towards a dual income family economy. | /r/MensRights | 20/09/13 08:05 PM |
| 0 | How Feminism has broken the systemThere were laws and expectations that kept the single income family economy in place everywhere. It was these sorts of laws and expectations that feminists were protesting in the 60s and 70s. | /r/MensRights | 20/09/13 07:59 PM |
| 1 | Doing a report on bell hooks. Wanted to see what r/mr thinks of her.Generally, people here will have no idea who bell hooks is. | /r/MensRights | 20/09/13 06:27 PM |
| 0 | How Feminism has broken the systemThe laws I'm talking about existed here in the 1970s. The economy wes designed around a single income family (with the woman often doing some extra earning) until around the 1970s, when the people in charge began the change over to the dual income family economy in which a family does more work outside the home, for around the same money. | /r/MensRights | 20/09/13 06:23 PM |
| 2 | How Feminism has broken the systemWomen couldn't physically commit to higher powered jobs until men provided the technology that allowed them to control their reproductive systems. Even with that control its difficult for employers, for example my cousin - very bright and hand picked for a start up medical tech company - she had only been with them a year before she took her first lot of maternity leave, now she is on her second, so she is a waste of company resources. | /r/MensRights | 20/09/13 06:11 PM |
| 1 | How Feminism has broken the systemShe was wealthy enough not to need to do extra work. There were laws in place that married women had to officially retire too, to spread the jobs around. My mother was expected to retire once she got married - these laws were in place so middle class families weren't hogging two jobs while others went without one, she did other things at different times to earn extra money. | /r/MensRights | 20/09/13 06:06 PM |
| 2 | How Feminism has broken the systemPart time jobs, full time jobs, extra work to make ends meet. | /r/MensRights | 20/09/13 05:37 PM |
| 5 | How Feminism has broken the systemWomen have always had jobs outside the home, its only the wealthy women that didn't work. | /r/MensRights | 20/09/13 05:11 PM |
| -6 | Suck it up and payIf she doesn't want the pregnancy the pregnancy is an accident (unwanted). If she has to carry an unwanted pregnancy the zygote / fetus is stewed in stress hormones (brain damage) and doesn't bond with the mother properly (emotional and brain damage). So any child that is born into that situation is abused before its life even begins. So the whole thing is better off aborted, you would have to be some kind of psycho to want to force it to go ahead. | /r/MensRights | 19/09/13 07:08 PM |
| -18 | Suck it up and payNumber one needs some changes imo, there is no child during the pregnancy and if she doesn't want the pregnancy, its generally better to abort. | /r/MensRights | 19/09/13 02:12 PM |
| 1 | A question about 'Blurred lines'Blurred likes is a gender reversal, or a jainbreak of he patriarchy. It would be much less confusing for us if we knew that and much easier for us to find closure on it. Lets not turn it into something like the objections to the cop in Toronto, where we spend years in a state of confusion because we don' undersand the point thats being made. | /r/MensRights | 18/09/13 12:20 PM |
| 2 | "Don't give me this 'if Lehman Sisters had been in charge …' nonsense" - Guardian commentator tired of Harriet Harman rubbing one out at the expense of common senseWell, no. Its more like, "just because this person says someone things we can agree with it, doesn't mean he is any sort of an ally based in the fact he publishes deliberately damaging lies about us.". | /r/MensRights | 18/09/13 08:16 AM |
| 1 | Men's rights looks like an anti-feminist group only. Have to dig to get the "rights" part. Warning: longIn the gender debate the most hate is is coming from trans activists and rad fems, perhaps her all have a responsibility to roll back the hate. And mangina isn't really hate, its a commentary on a behaviour rather than an orientation. | /r/MensRights | 18/09/13 07:54 AM |
| 2 | "Don't give me this 'if Lehman Sisters had been in charge …' nonsense" - Guardian commentator tired of Harriet Harman rubbing one out at the expense of common senseThat journalist Ally Fogg, frequently publishes David Frutelle style yellow journalism about us. | /r/MensRights | 17/09/13 04:39 PM |
| 3 | Men's rights looks like an anti-feminist group only. Have to dig to get the "rights" part. Warning: longNo, the vernacular specific to subcultures is not how people talk in the world. | /r/MensRights | 17/09/13 03:46 PM |
| 3 | Men's rights looks like an anti-feminist group only. Have to dig to get the "rights" part. Warning: longMangina is used to describe men that bow and scrape before women, and make excuses for them like they are children, instead of treating them like equals. I agree with you that it should be dropped, there should be a more mature and less easily confused term for these men. | /r/MensRights | 17/09/13 12:51 PM |
| 2 | Men's rights looks like an anti-feminist group only. Have to dig to get the "rights" part. Warning: longIt is infantile language, and its not in common usage here and Mangina doesn't mean the same thing as pussy or fag. | /r/MensRights | 17/09/13 11:32 AM |
| 3 | A hateful sub for a movement that it vital to our understanding of the oppression of both men and women.One must wonder how many potential allies you have alienated by choosing inflammatory tactics over educational ones. You just have the look at the history of the movement back when it tried to be educational and gain allies, all it got was exclusion, sneering, false accusations and "what about teh menz, lol!! It only started making progress after it became like normal social movements, angry and inflammatory. | /r/MensRights | 17/09/13 03:13 AM |
| 0 | A hateful sub for a movement that it vital to our understanding of the oppression of both men and women.What social movement isn't angry and inflamatory? Anger and inflammatory rhetoric is vital for the success of any social movement, thats why they mens movement made the decision to get angry and inflammatory. | /r/MensRights | 17/09/13 03:10 AM |
| 4 | a definition of feminism that everyone agrees with"the project to increase power of women". I'd add "with no upper limit". | /r/MensRights | 17/09/13 02:02 AM |
| 1 | Real Rape Culture: "A Rose City, Michigan boy was repeatedly raped over a period of three years by teacher Neal Erickson, who was eventually caught after photos of his crimes surfaced .. Ten of his fellow teachers wrote letters asking that Erickson be forgiven for his “mistake.”"Your analogy seemed a bit wonkey though. Jokes about a form of abuse against gay people, and jokes about rape of women work well as analogies. Saying jokes about gay people was vague, are they good natured jokes or are they nasty? If they are nasty they will make gay people uncomfortable and increase the likelihood of gay people being mistreated. Any person or group that feel they are the butt of jokes tend to have some discomfort with the jokes, including rape victims, child abuse victims tend … | /r/MensRights | 17/09/13 01:51 AM |
| 1 | Real Rape Culture: "A Rose City, Michigan boy was repeatedly raped over a period of three years by teacher Neal Erickson, who was eventually caught after photos of his crimes surfaced .. Ten of his fellow teachers wrote letters asking that Erickson be forgiven for his “mistake.”"This is the kind of nonsense we get caught up in, that and rape tips. If we spent half of the amount of time focusing on the actual issues, like their misrepresenting rape data and the laws that we do taking about things that don't really affect us like rape tips and their objecting to rape jokes, we'd be doing well IMO. | /r/MensRights | 17/09/13 01:45 AM |
| 1 | Real Rape Culture: "A Rose City, Michigan boy was repeatedly raped over a period of three years by teacher Neal Erickson, who was eventually caught after photos of his crimes surfaced .. Ten of his fellow teachers wrote letters asking that Erickson be forgiven for his “mistake.”"Your link has a reference - "intended victim's status in a protected class". These kinds of laws when designed divide people up into protected classes and unprotected classes. White and straight men are generally not protected classes, that's why affirmative action, hate speech and domestic violence laws have tended to discriminate against them and in favour of designated protected classes. Mens rights is basically about protecting mens legal rights against these kinds of laws. | /r/MensRights | 17/09/13 01:32 AM |
| 1 | Real Rape Culture: "A Rose City, Michigan boy was repeatedly raped over a period of three years by teacher Neal Erickson, who was eventually caught after photos of his crimes surfaced .. Ten of his fellow teachers wrote letters asking that Erickson be forgiven for his “mistake.”"In an environment where bullying gay people is a joke, its more likely that they will be bullied than in an environment where bullying people is so unacceptable that people don't even joke about it. The joking about it demonstrates a certain amount of tolerance for it, the latter environment demonstrates more intolerance of it. We make identical arguments all the time. | /r/MensRights | 17/09/13 01:29 AM |
| 1 | Real Rape Culture: "A Rose City, Michigan boy was repeatedly raped over a period of three years by teacher Neal Erickson, who was eventually caught after photos of his crimes surfaced .. Ten of his fellow teachers wrote letters asking that Erickson be forgiven for his “mistake.”"Pretty much all the gender race ideology and laws are based in cultural marxism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism When you see the people hating on white "cis" men - its cultural marxism. When you see VAWA operating under the lie that heterosexual women are under attack from men and ignoring same sex violence and women's violence against men and children its operating under the ideological belief that DV is class warfare against heterosexual women by heterosexual men as part of "pat… | /r/MensRights | 17/09/13 12:57 AM |
| 1 | Real Rape Culture: "A Rose City, Michigan boy was repeatedly raped over a period of three years by teacher Neal Erickson, who was eventually caught after photos of his crimes surfaced .. Ten of his fellow teachers wrote letters asking that Erickson be forgiven for his “mistake.”"I'm not saying the context is exactly the same, I'm saying we make identical or near identical arguments against violence against men in the media as feminists do against rape jokes, "rape-y" lyrics and imagery in the media. | /r/MensRights | 16/09/13 09:09 PM |
| 0 | Real Rape Culture: "A Rose City, Michigan boy was repeatedly raped over a period of three years by teacher Neal Erickson, who was eventually caught after photos of his crimes surfaced .. Ten of his fellow teachers wrote letters asking that Erickson be forgiven for his “mistake.”"That argument isn't valid. Even though humorous depictions of violence against men are more common, we are still making identical or near identical arguments against it as a feminists are about rape jokes on a daily basis. | /r/MensRights | 16/09/13 08:40 PM |
| 1 | Real Rape Culture: "A Rose City, Michigan boy was repeatedly raped over a period of three years by teacher Neal Erickson, who was eventually caught after photos of his crimes surfaced .. Ten of his fellow teachers wrote letters asking that Erickson be forgiven for his “mistake.”"We make identical arguments against the humorous depiction of violence against men as feminists do about rape jokes, pretty much on a daily basis here. | /r/MensRights | 16/09/13 08:25 PM |
| 1 | Found a picture of the example I use trying to explain logic to the illogicalThey are replacing the traditional rape tips that encourage treating all men and situations like Schrodinger rape, with case by case spotting people that violate boundaries. Their argument that giving out rape prevention tips that don't really pertain to the reality of rape is valid. Road traffic authorities object to misleading advice too. Their arguement that victim blaming hurts people with PTSD is also valid. Our getting hung up on rape tips is a huge waste of energy. | /r/MensRights | 16/09/13 07:54 PM |
| 0 | What Is The Red Pill?It isn't a pointless distinction. A couple of people can be taking about hypergamy without the cult like behaviour. Ok, bye :) | /r/MensRights | 16/09/13 07:33 PM |
| 1 | Real Rape Culture: "A Rose City, Michigan boy was repeatedly raped over a period of three years by teacher Neal Erickson, who was eventually caught after photos of his crimes surfaced .. Ten of his fellow teachers wrote letters asking that Erickson be forgiven for his “mistake.”"The definition I gave was just my own off the cuff definition. They talk about rape in the culture or "rape culture" and tolerance to rape in the culture. Rape jokes indicate a certain amount of tolerance to rape of women in the culture, its obvious an environment that jokes about a crime is more friendly to that particular type of criminal we make almost identical points about the jokes about female on male violence in the culture. | /r/MensRights | 16/09/13 07:30 PM |
| 1 | Found a picture of the example I use trying to explain logic to the illogicalI am concerned that we put so much energy into rape tips, its really irrelevant to us. Who cares if they want to kill of myths and victim blaming? The real issues are them misrepresenting rape data, and the changes to mens rea. | /r/MensRights | 16/09/13 07:27 PM |
| 1 | Found a picture of the example I use trying to explain logic to the illogicalWe don't really address numerous elements, we go on and on about rape tips for 90% of it. Which is a red herring. There should be a separate mra's can give out rape tips movement, Imo :) | /r/MensRights | 16/09/13 07:16 PM |
| 1 | Real Rape Culture: "A Rose City, Michigan boy was repeatedly raped over a period of three years by teacher Neal Erickson, who was eventually caught after photos of his crimes surfaced .. Ten of his fellow teachers wrote letters asking that Erickson be forgiven for his “mistake.”"It does matter if it shows tolerance, it falls under what they would call rape culture. It shows that our society has lots of women getting raped, but very few convictions. Don't you think that spreading this idea increases the likelihood of rape? Yes illogically it probably would in a way, but it also makes the environment more hostile to rapists. In the same way jokes probably would, but makes the environment easier to be in. | /r/MensRights | 16/09/13 07:12 PM |
| 0 | What Is The Red Pill?I didn't just call people people just discussing hypergamy a cult. Im talking about the behaviour of redpillers, as you called them. I didn't say I was a big mra hotshot, I just said I've been in and around the movement since the Psychology of Hate came out, which predates AVfM, and the reddit forums. | /r/MensRights | 16/09/13 07:09 PM |
| 1 | Real Rape Culture: "A Rose City, Michigan boy was repeatedly raped over a period of three years by teacher Neal Erickson, who was eventually caught after photos of his crimes surfaced .. Ten of his fellow teachers wrote letters asking that Erickson be forgiven for his “mistake.”"Why not assume that rapists feel more comfortable raping in an environment where they don't think they will get caught? They would feel even more comfortable there. Someone who rapes women, is going to feel more comfortable than someone that has sex with children, in the culture, someone who steals is going feel more comfortable than someone who rapes women. There are different levels of tolerance. | /r/MensRights | 16/09/13 07:07 PM |
| 1 | Real Rape Culture: "A Rose City, Michigan boy was repeatedly raped over a period of three years by teacher Neal Erickson, who was eventually caught after photos of his crimes surfaced .. Ten of his fellow teachers wrote letters asking that Erickson be forgiven for his “mistake.”"Right, it shows outward tolerance, an outward tolerance that isn't there for say, jokes about having sex with children, so there is more outward tolerance for raping women than there is sex with children. They try to comment on rape in the culture or "rape culture", jokes about rape and rape in popular entertainment fall into that category. | /r/MensRights | 16/09/13 07:04 PM |
| 1 | Real Rape Culture: "A Rose City, Michigan boy was repeatedly raped over a period of three years by teacher Neal Erickson, who was eventually caught after photos of his crimes surfaced .. Ten of his fellow teachers wrote letters asking that Erickson be forgiven for his “mistake.”"This is why rape jokes aren't rape culture by the definition you provided, they must increase the likelihood of rape to qualify. Its logical to assume that rapists (or any criminal) would be more psychologically comfortable to do what they do in an environment where what they do is joked about. Sane people can differentiate between fiction and reality. We are talking about rapists. | /r/MensRights | 16/09/13 06:53 PM |
| 1 | What Is The Red Pill?You are accusing me of looking for ideological enemies, but labeling people that note cult like behaviors in red pill as ideological enemies "leftists", and accusing me of being the one who's projecting. I haven't spent 5 mins in the forum, I've been in the mrm since around the time Elam first published "the psychology of hate" on his old blog. | /r/MensRights | 16/09/13 06:49 PM |
| 1 | What Is The Red Pill?But you are accusing others of having divisions and projecting ... while giving other people labels ... this is the sort of thing Im talking about, if anyone doesn't agree with the narrow red pill ideology they are "leftists" or some such. | /r/MensRights | 16/09/13 06:41 PM |
| 1 | Real Rape Culture: "A Rose City, Michigan boy was repeatedly raped over a period of three years by teacher Neal Erickson, who was eventually caught after photos of his crimes surfaced .. Ten of his fellow teachers wrote letters asking that Erickson be forgiven for his “mistake.”"It would have to involve showing a certain tolerance for it to be rape culture as they mean it. The posters show intolerance, jokes obviously show a certain amount of tolerance. There are fewer jokes in the culture about having sex with children, this is obviously because there is less tolerance for them in the culture ... see? | /r/MensRights | 16/09/13 06:38 PM |
| 1 | What Is The Red Pill?Its the behaviour the ideological beliefs that are cultist, not the fact that they on a forum. Why do you think observers from the outside keep pointing out cultist behaviors? | /r/MensRights | 16/09/13 06:33 PM |
| 1 | Real Rape Culture: "A Rose City, Michigan boy was repeatedly raped over a period of three years by teacher Neal Erickson, who was eventually caught after photos of his crimes surfaced .. Ten of his fellow teachers wrote letters asking that Erickson be forgiven for his “mistake.”"If you think that jokes about rape create tolerance for rape and potential rapists use this for justification for their actions, then what are the implications for statistics? When social justice groups try to raise awareness of the likelihood of rape (ie. 1/5 women have been raped posters), can't these same predators use this for their justification? The one in five posters frame it as bad, the jokes frame it as a joke so the predator would have a harder time using the posters to justify their … | /r/MensRights | 16/09/13 06:21 PM |
| 0 | Real Rape Culture: "A Rose City, Michigan boy was repeatedly raped over a period of three years by teacher Neal Erickson, who was eventually caught after photos of his crimes surfaced .. Ten of his fellow teachers wrote letters asking that Erickson be forgiven for his “mistake.”"If popular entertainment in the culture involving murder isn't an example of culture involving murder, or "murder culture" what is it then? Have you done much research on the meaning of their terms? Why do you disagree that a rapist can have an easier time justifying their behaviour to themselves if other people are joking about it, it seems perfectly reasonable and logical. | /r/MensRights | 16/09/13 06:17 PM |
| 1 | Real Rape Culture: "A Rose City, Michigan boy was repeatedly raped over a period of three years by teacher Neal Erickson, who was eventually caught after photos of his crimes surfaced .. Ten of his fellow teachers wrote letters asking that Erickson be forgiven for his “mistake.”"Its very easy for them to argue that if even senators are making rape jokes in the culture that there is a certain amount of tolerance for it in the culture, which in turn allows rapists a bit more psychological freedom to move and operate and justify their behaviour to themselves in the culture. | /r/MensRights | 16/09/13 05:14 PM |
| 0 | Real Rape Culture: "A Rose City, Michigan boy was repeatedly raped over a period of three years by teacher Neal Erickson, who was eventually caught after photos of his crimes surfaced .. Ten of his fellow teachers wrote letters asking that Erickson be forgiven for his “mistake.”"Those examples don't contradict my definition. | /r/MensRights | 16/09/13 04:52 PM |
| 3 | What Is The Red Pill?From the outside looking in, most people would recognize the cult like behaviour, but if you are inside you think you have the secret knowledge and that everyone else is wrong. You say Im projecting and I belong to the cult ... which cult? | /r/MensRights | 16/09/13 04:45 PM |
| 3 | What Is The Red Pill?Im not projecting a cult fantasy. | /r/MensRights | 16/09/13 04:42 PM |
| -1 | Real Rape Culture: "A Rose City, Michigan boy was repeatedly raped over a period of three years by teacher Neal Erickson, who was eventually caught after photos of his crimes surfaced .. Ten of his fellow teachers wrote letters asking that Erickson be forgiven for his “mistake.”"Rape culture from what I can see, is any cultural attitude or belief that increases the likelihood of rape happening. My experience is that the term rape culture, like misogyny, is basically used as a slur, usually to imply that someone is "pro-rape". Its better than we find out what these things mean, as opposed to listening to srs / tumblr types and then guessing based on their usage and exploitation of the terms. | /r/MensRights | 16/09/13 04:03 PM |
| 4 | Real Rape Culture: "A Rose City, Michigan boy was repeatedly raped over a period of three years by teacher Neal Erickson, who was eventually caught after photos of his crimes surfaced .. Ten of his fellow teachers wrote letters asking that Erickson be forgiven for his “mistake.”"What he is saying is actually true. In cultural marxism, there are classes that are protected and classes that are not. That's why hate speech laws dont apply to straight men or white people. and why VAWA is designed to discriminate, for example. | /r/MensRights | 16/09/13 04:01 PM |
| 4 | What Is The Red Pill?Wow, the /r/TheRedPill[1] hatred is strong in our sub... Why? The delusional behavior and ideas generates the mockery. Anyone can get CBT for self esteem and confidence and go to the gym and get all the benefits theredpill has to offer, without all the cult like behaviour, pseudo science, group think and nonsense, probably much quicker too. Why can't men take an actual balanced look at each other, and not immediately look for the jugular? Are we really so competitive that any attempt to make us … | /r/MensRights | 16/09/13 02:05 PM |
| 5 | Real Rape Culture: "A Rose City, Michigan boy was repeatedly raped over a period of three years by teacher Neal Erickson, who was eventually caught after photos of his crimes surfaced .. Ten of his fellow teachers wrote letters asking that Erickson be forgiven for his “mistake.”"Also, the subreddit doesn't seem to know that any feminist you could ask, would see that story as what they already call "rape culture". | /r/MensRights | 16/09/13 01:58 PM |
| 1 | Two serious questions for feminists...Yeah, there is the "mens rea" difference too. In business whether or not the person with the contract knows the signer is not in their right mind is significant, the feminist vision is for the law to consider the man a rapist, even if he had no idea the person was not making good decisions. | /r/MensRights | 16/09/13 10:34 AM |
| 1 | Found a picture of the example I use trying to explain logic to the illogicalSchrodinger's rapist, and the victim blaming movement aren't the same thing. You are making a leap from the movement to protect people with PTSD from victim blaming and correct rape myths to an individuals essay written by a someone with ptsd that goes into what its like in that permanent state of fear and saying its promoting the idea that all men are potential rapists. You mean like other violent victimizations? Traditional rape tips have promoted the idea all men are potential rapists long be… | /r/MensRights | 16/09/13 10:26 AM |
| 1 | Two serious questions for feminists...Im sorry for being combative and snarky too. | /r/MensRights | 16/09/13 10:21 AM |
| 6 | Two serious questions for feminists...This is /r/MensRights I'll try and answer though. They want to make agreeing to sex like agreeing to a business contract, if the person (read female) feels they have been taken advantage of, they can seek legal recourse and the person (read male) getting the other to sign off is supposed to have responsibility not to get someone to sign when they are not in their right minds. So if getting drunk makes you no longer responsible for your actions.. Why are Drunk Drivers charged with a crime? You ar… | /r/MensRights | 15/09/13 11:57 PM |
| 1 | Found a picture of the example I use trying to explain logic to the illogicalThey shout down misleading, myth based advice, patronizing advice and victim blaming. So what? That doesn't automatically lead to all men being labelled as potential rapists. I believe Schroedingers rapist goes into the paranoiac mindset that telling women if they wear the wrong thing, be out at certain times, not to trust men etc puts women in ... Giving women all these traditional rape tips, promotes the idea that the culture is such, that rape can jump out at any time, if a narrow set of rule… | /r/MensRights | 15/09/13 11:47 PM |
| 1 | Found a picture of the example I use trying to explain logic to the illogicalThere is a distinction there, its just a nuanced one and we think that because they want to protect people with PTSD from victim blaming it means they are promoting the idea that people aren't responsible for their safety. Thats our misreading. How do you make the leap from people objecting to misleading rape prevention advice and victim blaming and labelling all men as potential rapists? The idea that all men are potential rapists pre-dates the ptsd/anti victim blaming movement as far as I know… | /r/MensRights | 15/09/13 11:36 PM |
| 1 | Found a picture of the example I use trying to explain logic to the illogicalThe definition is assigning all or partial blame, and its redundant and painful. This obsession we seem to have with objecting to efforts to minimise the pain of it for rape victims seems to be an enormous waste of our time, not to mind pointless. Do you know why we are hung up on it? | /r/MensRights | 15/09/13 11:06 PM |
| 2 | Found a picture of the example I use trying to explain logic to the illogicalSorry, I do find it genuinely exhausting and frustrating though. | /r/MensRights | 15/09/13 10:29 PM |
| 1 | Found a picture of the example I use trying to explain logic to the illogicalIt does make it victim blaming according to the definition of victim blaming, its also redundant and painful. Thats why there are efforts to minimise it and I really don't know why we have such a problem with that. | /r/MensRights | 15/09/13 10:28 PM |
| 1 | Found a picture of the example I use trying to explain logic to the illogicalYes they do, I don't think that anyone disputes that, bar the most ill informed of feminists and trolls. That has little to do with redundant comments that rub salt in ptsd wounds, its hard for people that don't have PTSD to understand though, I think. | /r/MensRights | 15/09/13 10:12 PM |
| 3 | Found a picture of the example I use trying to explain logic to the illogicalNo, its exhausting explaining this stuff to mra's over and over, when they should find out themselves instead of endlessly speculating and making things up. | /r/MensRights | 15/09/13 10:11 PM |
| 1 | Found a picture of the example I use trying to explain logic to the illogicalIt does make it victim blaming, victim blaming is assigning all or partial blame to the person who was victimized. The toe is a bad example, because its not an innocent person being victimized by another. | /r/MensRights | 15/09/13 09:43 PM |
| 1 | Found a picture of the example I use trying to explain logic to the illogicalSaying "this would have been likely if you had not done X/doing X made this more likely" is not victim blaming. It is, and its totally redundant. If you stub your toe, and I point out that its wouldn't have happened if your worn steel cap boots, I'm assigning blame to you. There isn't any point in rubbing salt in the wound by stating the obvious to someone who is already regretting whats happened. | /r/MensRights | 15/09/13 09:39 PM |
| 1 | Found a picture of the example I use trying to explain logic to the illogicalI don't get why people basically constantly buy into the idea that your clothes have a direct impact on your chances of being raped I think its to do with people imagining rapists are looking at what they are, but predators will look for psychological vulnerability. You put it well here a more conservative person may be a better target because they're less likely to talk about it, because if they're too sorta scared to show off their own body they won't necessarily go to the police, too many peo… | /r/MensRights | 15/09/13 09:36 PM |
| 3 | Found a picture of the example I use trying to explain logic to the illogicalYou've read the teach men not to rape instead meme that reverses all the hysterical, paranoic tips that women are given? Thats putting the shoe on the other foot to make some subtle points, its not what mra's generally think it is. | /r/MensRights | 15/09/13 09:29 PM |
| 1 | Found a picture of the example I use trying to explain logic to the illogicalThe comic examples are clearly victim blaming, the cop in Toronto is victim blaming, its fairly obvious to me why they are victim blaming, both are after the fact. Basic safety precautions and all prevention advice are only considered victim blaming by tumblr type feminists and those that know the least, I don't think you would find a well informed feminist saying that any and all precautions are victim blaming. Anyhow, I don't know why we are so hung up on this ... why is it so important to us? | /r/MensRights | 15/09/13 09:27 PM |
| 1 | Found a picture of the example I use trying to explain logic to the illogicalIm not saying that all prevention advice is victim blaming. Such as? Ill just get something. edit - thought I had a few good explanations from /r/askfeminists saved. I know you seen them anyway because you debated over there. Anyhow, why is it of importance to us? Who cares if people don't want largely redundant, patronizing advice or want to discourage people from victim blaming? I don't know why we are so hung up on it. | /r/MensRights | 15/09/13 09:09 PM |
| 2 | Feminist Parody of "Blurred Lines" Calling for the objectification of Men. Because that preaches equal rights.It isn't calling for the objectification of men, it reversed the genders - put the shoe on the other foot, to try to make a point. | /r/MensRights | 15/09/13 08:52 PM |
| 3 | Found a picture of the example I use trying to explain logic to the illogicalIf you don't believe me, go and do some research on these things and see how wide off the make we typically are - how much we misinterpret and strawman them. | /r/MensRights | 15/09/13 08:24 PM |
| 1 | Found a picture of the example I use trying to explain logic to the illogicalProfstone Explain the logic, there is a redundant idiot in both frames that blames the victim and rubs salf in the wound needlessly, is he the illogical one? He can't be the logical one, surely? | /r/MensRights | 15/09/13 08:07 PM |
| 4 | Found a picture of the example I use trying to explain logic to the illogicalI can make the observation that we have spent years talking about this, while never getting what they are saying, its very frustrating for me to watch. | /r/MensRights | 15/09/13 07:57 PM |
| 0 | Found a picture of the example I use trying to explain logic to the illogicalActually I don't think the comic is somewhat victim blamy, or blamish as I said before, the redundant guy is straight up blaming in both cases. There isn't any point in pointing out that the rape victim could have avoided it by staying at home There isn't any point on finding out something that the rape victim could have done to avoid it and then pointing it out to them, its redundant and cruel. Yes, they are objecting to the police pointing out to a victim group, that they could avoided being r… | /r/MensRights | 15/09/13 07:54 PM |
| 1 | Found a picture of the example I use trying to explain logic to the illogicalIm not a feminist, I just don't like the way that we (mens movement) talk about rape culture and victimblaming so much, while having little to no knowledge about it. You are the one bringing up the least defensible advice and using it to paint all advice as victim blaming. No. People victim blame, the comic we are responding to victim blames. When the lap top guy and the strawman version of a rape victim who is being depicted as asking for it in Detroit, are victimised, there is a redundant pers… | /r/MensRights | 15/09/13 07:06 PM |
| 2 | Found a picture of the example I use trying to explain logic to the illogicalQuite right, I've made a more accurate response. | /r/MensRights | 15/09/13 06:54 PM |
| 1 | Found a picture of the example I use trying to explain logic to the illogicalBringing up the least defensible advice and using that to paint all advice as victim blaming is dishonest. So the most extreme of the tumblr feminist types that say things like that are dishonest. More rational and informed feminists are likely to point out other objections to traditional rape prevention tips. | /r/MensRights | 15/09/13 06:54 PM |
| 5 | Found a picture of the example I use trying to explain logic to the illogicalWe the Mens Movement, we talk about rape culture and victim blaming all the time, but don't even know the basics of what they are saying and their reasoning behind it - thats why we are so confused by it. | /r/MensRights | 15/09/13 06:51 PM |
| 5 | Found a picture of the example I use trying to explain logic to the illogicalI'm pretty sure you can't find one example of a rape happening under those circumstances. Only people that don't know what they are taking about believe rapes happen like that. The example in the comic is a strawman. | /r/MensRights | 15/09/13 06:17 PM |
| 2 | Found a picture of the example I use trying to explain logic to the illogicalThere isn't any proof that clothes choices lead to rape. The slut walks are full of alternative types, most rape victims were children. So when people that don't know what they are taking about think and say that rapists are targeting the same women they notice, people that know what they are taking about object. Same goes for when bad electrical / crime prevention / road traffic advice is given out, its normal to correct bad and misleading advice. | /r/MensRights | 15/09/13 04:41 PM |
| 1 | Found a picture of the example I use trying to explain logic to the illogicalCan't lay my hand on the predator theory paper, but liask goes into motivation here with citations. The two primary and numerically largest types identified by Groth were the “power” rapist and the “anger” rapist. The power rapist was motivated by his need to control and dominate his victim, and inversely, to avoid being controlled by her. The anger rapist was motivated by resentment and a general hostility towards women, and was more prone to inflicting gratuitous violence in the course of a ra… | /r/MensRights | 15/09/13 04:38 PM |
| 1 | Found a picture of the example I use trying to explain logic to the illogicalFuck, I hate the way we go on and on about this stuff while having not clue about it. Liask is the man who has done the research that contradicts rape culture theory. or claiming that rapist are not motivated primarily by the desire to dominate others DOES NOT make an argument that normal men are raping for sex. Then why aren't they having normal sex, and choosing sex that dominates and humiliated others? | /r/MensRights | 15/09/13 04:22 PM |
| 0 | Found a picture of the example I use trying to explain logic to the illogicalIm explaining what you aren't getting. If you are highly traumatized by being deliberately run over while on the path, and you are told you could have avoided it by not being naked in the road like an idiot, you would not find it helpful. Also, what is the point in objecting to feminists wanting to protect rape victims from that sort of unhelpful commentary, and wanting more accurate rape prevention tips? Isn't that just one big waste of our time? | /r/MensRights | 15/09/13 03:47 PM |
| 1 | Found a picture of the example I use trying to explain logic to the illogicalFeminists do talk about it. Predator theory is important to us because it contradicts rape culture theory, you can debunk feminists by citing Liasks findings. At the same time, if you claim that rapists are not motivated by dominating others, you contradict predator theory and make the argument that normal men are raping for sex. | /r/MensRights | 15/09/13 03:44 PM |
| 4 | Found a picture of the example I use trying to explain logic to the illogicalLay off the redpills, you are as irrational as your counterparts, the straw manning feminists. | /r/MensRights | 15/09/13 03:38 PM |
| 1 | Found a picture of the example I use trying to explain logic to the illogicalOh, the predator theory data itself, that the article is based on does. The rapists are the same group that are DV and child abusers, people with PD that wish to exerts control over others. You aren't up on this stuff, don't be angry with me because you aren't. | /r/MensRights | 15/09/13 03:36 PM |
| 2 | Found a picture of the example I use trying to explain logic to the illogicalBut people don't rape on the basis of what people are wearing. Its largely an myth created by people that make the mistake of thinking rapist are looking at the same people they are. | /r/MensRights | 15/09/13 03:34 PM |
| 6 | Found a picture of the example I use trying to explain logic to the illogicalFor the third time. There is no evidence of grouops of people with PTSD tramua related to leaving a lap top on the seat the then it being stolen. The idiots pointing our that the lap top wouldn't have been stolen from there if it was not there in the first, are just redundant idiots that are pouring necessary salt in the wound, regardless of whether they have PTDS or not. | /r/MensRights | 15/09/13 03:28 PM |
| 1 | Found a picture of the example I use trying to explain logic to the illogicalThe predator theory data found that rapes are being committed by a small group of personality disordered men. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=124272157 And that still doesn't explain why most rape victims are right at their sexual prime. If power and control would be the reasons to rape then why aren't there more rapes of older people? Sex does come into it, but rapists are motivated by the domination and violation of someone else, of they just wanted sex, they'd just have n… | /r/MensRights | 15/09/13 03:24 PM |
| 3 | Found a picture of the example I use trying to explain logic to the illogicalYes, they are objecting to the police pointing out to a victim group, that they could avoided being rape by "not dressing like sluts". Bit like me pointing out to you if you you were run over deliberately while on the path, that you could have avoided by wearing a blue shirt. | /r/MensRights | 15/09/13 03:21 PM |
| 4 | Found a picture of the example I use trying to explain logic to the illogicalI just said it was possible, but unlikely. | /r/MensRights | 15/09/13 03:09 PM |
| 5 | Found a picture of the example I use trying to explain logic to the illogicalI've never heard of PTSD after a lap top has been stolen, have you? I'm sure its possible of the person is highly vulnerable though. Either way, the person asking why they forgot to lock the door and left the laptop there is redundant, annoying and rubbing salt in the wound. Can you get your mind around that? | /r/MensRights | 15/09/13 03:02 PM |
| -2 | Found a picture of the example I use trying to explain logic to the illogicalIt does make sense. People with personality disorders are generally motivated by the power and control of others. | /r/MensRights | 15/09/13 03:01 PM |
| 6 | Found a picture of the example I use trying to explain logic to the illogicalIm pretty sure if you went to the bathroom in the middle of the night and stubbed your toe, and some know it all started pointing out that it wouldn't have happened if you wore steel cap boots when you went to the bathroom, as if you are a simpleton or child, you would find it unhelpful at all. | /r/MensRights | 15/09/13 02:59 PM |
| 1 | Found a picture of the example I use trying to explain logic to the illogicalIm pretty sure the person who was robbed via an unlocked door, already knows that's what happened, and the person pointing it out is being redundant and rubbing necessary salt in the wound. | /r/MensRights | 15/09/13 02:52 PM |
| -1 | Found a picture of the example I use trying to explain logic to the illogicalIf you are saying its not about power and control, you are saying its not a small segment of personality disordered men committing the rapes, but something more like normative behaviour. | /r/MensRights | 15/09/13 02:48 PM |
| -1 | Found a picture of the example I use trying to explain logic to the illogical"there were precautions you could have taken that you didn't that would have reduced that chance". Im pretty sure this is blame(ish), redundant and cruel. There isn't any point in pointing out that the rape victim could have avoided it by staying at home, or whatever the case may be particularly when they are already going over and over self blame in their mind (this is the main driver behind the anti-victim blaming movement). | /r/MensRights | 15/09/13 02:44 PM |
| 2 | Found a picture of the example I use trying to explain logic to the illogicalHere is a concrete example of it. Recently an article on A Voice for Men described how sexual oppression was causing young couples to bribe bus drivers to let them have sex on a bus, and a bus driver called his also sexually oppressed friends who raped the girl and beat up the guy. This is cultural influence making a rape more likely to happen. But AVfM, and its readers, because we don't know what rape culture means, don't know that they were describing what feminists call rape culture. | /r/MensRights | 15/09/13 02:34 PM |
| 12 | Found a picture of the example I use trying to explain logic to the illogicalTo object to a cop blaming clothes choices for rape and saying rape victims were "dressed like sluts". | /r/MensRights | 15/09/13 02:30 PM |
| 4 | Found a picture of the example I use trying to explain logic to the illogicalAh ok sorry, yes it does. | /r/MensRights | 15/09/13 01:24 PM |
| 4 | Found a picture of the example I use trying to explain logic to the illogicalIs it strawman day? Nobody said rape rape victims are the enemy. The enemy is those who would absolve women of all responsibility for their personal safety Nobody does that in the first place, thats just what we think is happening. They are against blaming rape victims for the their own rape like the redundant clown in the comic, and trying to protect people with PTSD from the self blame aspect of their injury, not against responsibility for day to day safety. | /r/MensRights | 15/09/13 01:20 PM |
| 11 | Found a picture of the example I use trying to explain logic to the illogicalIt's cruel and unnecessary. Yeah, I wonder whats wrong with us as a movement that we can't get that. | /r/MensRights | 15/09/13 01:14 PM |
| 3 | Found a picture of the example I use trying to explain logic to the illogicalIts retarded because the analogy is Detroit being used as a high crime culture - which is making the feminists point for them about cultural influences that make rape more likely to happen. In Detroit there are cultural influences that make your laptop more likely to be stolen, in a culture like that the criminals will see an unlocked door as someone asking for it. In high society, the people will not see the unlocked door as asking for it and stealing the laptop as normal because the culture is… | /r/MensRights | 15/09/13 01:12 PM |
| 4 | Found a picture of the example I use trying to explain logic to the illogicalThat's not logical, is a strawman. Someone who has had their lap top stolen won't have a PTSD injury that is harder to fix because of painful feelings of self blame that are exaggerated to excruciating by people blaming them for their own lap top being being stolen. And sure, peoples lap tops get stolen from cars, can you find one example of a woman that got raped under the circumstances that describes? The guy asking "what were you doing, doing X is Detroit? is a redundant, annoying idiot. If t… | /r/MensRights | 15/09/13 11:30 AM |
| 9 | On "Rape Culture" and "Gun Culture"One of their points is that women are brought up in the culture hearing all these paranoic rape prevention tips. Dress with rapists in mind, always watch your drink, don't trust guys, don't be alone, use the buddy system ... etc. So rape fear is programmed into women. If you were taught from an early age that all the people packing might well just shoot you because you took your eye off your drink, were ever alone or if you wore short sleeves you'd be paranoid too. | /r/MensRights | 14/09/13 09:28 PM |
| -1 | How do you feel about r/TheRedPill? How does a man reach that mentality?Cosmo and the redpill give out almost identical dating advice. | /r/MensRights | 14/09/13 08:17 PM |
| 3 | Blogtalk radio discussion about the cultish feminists infesting atheism. Cut to 75:00, I'd suggest, as it's very long.and the positive work of Humanism that can promote gender equality and embrace a calmer, wiser version of feminism. Standard social movement tactics, widen the window with radicals to pave the way for moderates. | /r/MensRights | 14/09/13 01:12 PM |
| -1 | How do you feel about r/TheRedPill? How does a man reach that mentality?The red pill seems to serve to drawn followers in to put more money into the pua industry, which is something like a cult that sells secret knowledge, feelings of omnipotence and sex to men that haven't had a lot of experience with women or were brought up by single mothers and long for a father figure. Its every bit as cult like and irrational as feminism can be. | /r/MensRights | 14/09/13 11:03 AM |
| 2 | Mom writes a letter to her sons' female Facebook friends: 'FYI (if you're a teenage girl)'I'm just relating the facts of the story. She didn't make a complaint about the consensual acts, the police investigated an earlier assault that was caught on camera. A lot of sexually backwards idiots bullied and ridiculed her for the consensual acts ... | /r/MensRights | 13/09/13 05:39 PM |
| 1 | Mom writes a letter to her sons' female Facebook friends: 'FYI (if you're a teenage girl)'The previous assault was on camera. | /r/MensRights | 13/09/13 05:38 PM |
| -1 | Mom writes a letter to her sons' female Facebook friends: 'FYI (if you're a teenage girl)'Gardai were also last night investigating a video showing the girl at the centre of the scandal being groped and pushed around by a group of men. - See more at: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/republic-of-ireland/slane-girl-faces-quiz-by-garda-over-sex-photos-taken-at-eminem-gig-29518550.html#sthash.UAwm6h5q.dpuf That is what she made the complaint about. | /r/MensRights | 13/09/13 03:22 PM |
| 0 | Mom writes a letter to her sons' female Facebook friends: 'FYI (if you're a teenage girl)'When was she sexually and physically assaulted? I just told you when. You can bet the police were itching to charge the young men involved for something and the press was certainly looking to blame them for something. Yes, the police wanted to press charges against the person that circulated photos and the people that assaulted her but not the guys she had consensual oral with, she said no to charges. so she is responsible for her own choice to engage in sexual activities in public in full view … | /r/MensRights | 13/09/13 02:47 PM |
| -5 | Mom writes a letter to her sons' female Facebook friends: 'FYI (if you're a teenage girl)'Yes she was, it was caught on camera, this was before she preformed the consensual sex acts that were also on camera. | /r/MensRights | 13/09/13 02:26 PM |
| -4 | Mom writes a letter to her sons' female Facebook friends: 'FYI (if you're a teenage girl)'Its a puritanical mother, "praying" to save her boys from girls striking sexualized poses they see in the media. Do a search for the teenage girl recently photographed giving head at a concert in Ireland for some Euro sexual hysteria. She was sexually and physically assaulted and also ridiculed and bullied for later preforming consensual sex acts, by sexually backwards bullies. Are you saying she is responsible for that behaviour? | /r/MensRights | 13/09/13 01:54 PM |
| 33 | Mom writes a letter to her sons' female Facebook friends: 'FYI (if you're a teenage girl)'American sexual hysteria. | /r/MensRights | 13/09/13 12:06 PM |
| 2 | Apparently "guys" don't know what radical feminism is. [comic]I would have thought the pro trans tumblr and srs type rad fems are the loudest, while the genocidal rad fems hide in the sort of private areas that the agent orange files exposed. | /r/MensRights | 13/09/13 03:39 AM |
| 1 | Apparently "guys" don't know what radical feminism is. [comic]There are many more social constructionist, pro trans rad fems that aren't genocidal. | /r/MensRights | 13/09/13 02:31 AM |
| 2 | Pretty upset by thisWhy would you think thats associated with us? Why would you think such an obvious shock/troll sub is serious? | /r/MensRights | 12/09/13 09:48 PM |
| 5 | Not sure if this goes here, but I was PISSED. Males should be circumcised so they can get girlfriends!!!Where are your comments? | /r/MensRights | 12/09/13 09:02 PM |
| 2 | Mumford and Sons kicked out of strip club for trying to film their band mate singing karaoke. Will hipster leftist feminists be outraged one of their favorite bands are frequenting businesses that objectify women?Ah, I see. | /r/MensRights | 12/09/13 08:51 PM |
| 2 | Mumford and Sons kicked out of strip club for trying to film their band mate singing karaoke. Will hipster leftist feminists be outraged one of their favorite bands are frequenting businesses that objectify women?What is this nonsense doing here? | /r/MensRights | 12/09/13 08:29 PM |
| 1 | Domestic violence reality check for the 'manosphere'Here is lots of abuse for you to cover up Sarah McKenzie. Shame on you. "Unprecedented Domestic Violence Study Affirms Need to Recognize Male Victims The most comprehensive review of the scholarly domestic violence research literature ever conducted concludes, among other things, that women perpetrate physical and emotional abuse, and engage in control behaviors, at comparable rates to men. The study was directed by the Editor-in-Chief of Partner Abuse, a Springer Publishing Company journal." ht… | /r/MensRights | 12/09/13 04:19 PM |
| 7 | Why are you opposed to feminism?Feminism isn't women. You can easily be pro women, pro men and anti feminism. Plus, mra's are inherently anti feminist, because they object to feminist legislation and lies. | /r/MensRights | 11/09/13 11:15 PM |
| 13 | Why are you opposed to feminism?For me its mainly the lying about the nature of abuse and covering up female perpetrated abuse. | /r/MensRights | 11/09/13 11:15 PM |
| 3 | SlutWalk Chicago 2013: Third Annual March Protests Rape Culture, Victim-Blaming (PHOTOS)Its fair enough really. If the police said "people should avoid dressing like idiots in order not to be injured by criminal drivers that deliberately run people over" there would be protests from victims of criminal drivers that deliberately run people over too. We protest "if you don't want paternity fraud, keep it in your pants". Where they are actually wrong is misrepresenting the data/using definitions that exclude female perpetration. | /r/MensRights | 11/09/13 08:14 PM |
| 1 | Arguments against feminist SlutWalk protests.As opposed the example the guy I was responding to gave - people that show up in statistical data that don't consider themselves raped/weren't raped but were raped according to feminist definitions. | /r/MensRights | 11/09/13 02:15 PM |
| 1 | Arguments against feminist SlutWalk protests.Sure, but but the cop was addressing actual rape victims and an actual rape victim support group. So he said the equivalent of "if you dont want to be run over deliberately, don't do X like a slut/idiot/ whatever." Which is why there was a push against "victim blaming" | /r/MensRights | 11/09/13 09:55 AM |
| 2 | Can someone help me find an article about the readership of avoiceformenYou can go to alexa.com and see the sources for yourself ... the gmp had a spike recently because of the Hugo Swycher scandal, so I think they might have crept ahead of avfm on that basis. | /r/MensRights | 10/09/13 12:42 PM |
| 3 | Do you hate women?You have nothing to prove to those people. Feminists have always made false accusations, its not so long ago that it was usually "abusers lobby", "small penis", must be gay" (as if there is something wrong with being gay or having a small penis) ... Think of it like you are in a room with a bully, there is no right answer. | /r/MensRights | 10/09/13 10:16 AM |
| 2 | "Conservative Studies" Major?But all our counties are neo liberal, so we already live inside a conservative or more accurately, right wing structure. | /r/MensRights | 09/09/13 03:56 PM |
| 2 | Arguments against feminist SlutWalk protests.No, I said stranger in a dark ally rapes don't really exist, I meant in the way its common imagined to happen here, woman dressed "like a slut" in a dark ally alone for some inexplicable reason, - its more hollywood myth or a "rape myth" than anything else. Stranger rapes do exist. | /r/MensRights | 09/09/13 01:45 PM |
| 3 | Arguments against feminist SlutWalk protests.Or are you also counting flirting in a club, saying you really shouldn't, making out, saying you really shouldn't, getting very drunk, saying you really shouldn't, going home with someone much larger and stronger than you, saying you really shouldn't, foreplay, then saying you really shouldn't but this time meaning it? Sorry, I see what you are saying here - its the feminist idea that rapes are happening by mistake, because of miscommunications and gender roles, the predator theory data didn't f… | /r/MensRights | 09/09/13 12:04 PM |
| 1 | Arguments against feminist SlutWalk protests.He now has to pay her money for the next 18+ years (going to jail for non-payment) and our society says it's his fault and he should have kept it in his pants. That's what victim blaming looks like. Seems you have something of a bias. "If you don't want to be raped / paternity defrauded you shouldn't dress like a slut / should keep it on your pants. Both are victim blaming statements. | /r/MensRights | 09/09/13 11:49 AM |
| 2 | Arguments against feminist SlutWalk protests.There isn't really any such thing as stranger in a dark ally rape, its more of a hollywood cliche and myth than a reflection of how rape usually happens, and I don't really understand what your second example is getting at, presumably if someone says no and means it but then is overpowered they have been raped. Blaming the victim in rape cases would have our society putting rape victims in jail. No, you could presume that people are raped because they wore the wrong clothes without putting them … | /r/MensRights | 09/09/13 11:40 AM |
| 2 | Arguments against feminist SlutWalk protests.If you want to use a car analogy, you would have to use a criminal driver who is deliberately running innocent people over, in place of an innocent driver that has run someone over due to their own fault. The feminists would say you made that logical error due to unconscious victim blaming. | /r/MensRights | 09/09/13 09:37 AM |
| 4 | Arguments against feminist SlutWalk protests.No, it was originally sparked by a police officer basically saying to a victims advocacy group that rape can be avoided by not dressing like a slut. Its not legitimate or accurate advice, it basically blames clothes choices for rape. And we don't know what its really about, which is the effect "victim blaming" has on people that have PTSD, and objecting to inaccurate rape prevention tips. So while the slut walk certainly claims to be about "victim blaming" it's actually about stating somebody el… | /r/MensRights | 09/09/13 09:30 AM |
| 7 | I was told I likely wouldn't do as well in my major because of my gender.Why do you think feminists rigging the system to create equal outcome is the opposite of the goals of feminism? That is pretty much central to feminist goals. | /r/MensRights | 09/09/13 08:40 AM |
| 5 | Arguments against feminist SlutWalk protests.No. The slut walk protested against "victim blaming", a suggestion made by a police officer that people are raped because they chose the wrong clothes, he basically said to a victim advocacy group that they were raped because the looked like "sluts". There was a strong reaction because this sort of blaming, makes it more difficult to heal and the advice is nonsense anyway, based in the misconception that the girls that get all the attention from normal men are the same ones that are being target… | /r/MensRights | 09/09/13 08:28 AM |
| 2 | Arguments against feminist SlutWalk protests.If you are unsure about the PTSD / victim blaming or the opposition to giving out misleading prevention advice drive behind slut walk, you can find out on google, or go to /r/askfeminists No, this about demanding to go anywhere a anytime - and that means demanding protection to do that - something no one else can do, despite their ignorant insistence that men can. That's what Slutwalks are about. No, thats just what we made up about them in our echo chambers in the absence of getting information… | /r/MensRights | 09/09/13 08:26 AM |
| 1 | Arguments against feminist SlutWalk protests.Why not just find out what's behind it and what victim blaming is about? We talk about it so much, we should at least know what its about. Suppose you were raped wearing a pair of jeans and suffering painful self blame and guilt due to your PTSD, presumably you would feel entitled not to be told that you could have avoided it by not dressing like a slut, by someone that doesn't know what they are talking about. | /r/MensRights | 08/09/13 11:22 PM |
| 3 | Arguments against feminist SlutWalk protests.So if the cop had said, "women should avoid dressing provocatively in order to prevent being victimized", it would be okay? This is a tone argument, basically? No. This is entry level stuff about the slut walk. They would have objected to that for the same and various reasons. Why do we, after all this time not even know what their arguments are? A cop who says, "It is unsafe and ill-advised to wear noise-cancelling earbuds when crossing the street," would also be okay? You think the culture is … | /r/MensRights | 08/09/13 11:20 PM |
| 0 | Arguments against feminist SlutWalk protests.Just use google and find out for yourself, our own echo chambers on slut walk are about as accurate as feminist echo chambers are on the mens movement. | /r/MensRights | 08/09/13 06:54 PM |
| 5 | Arguments against feminist SlutWalk protests.You don't seem to understand what the slutwalk is about. The safe kids programs presumably gives out accurate advice and don't say, "if kids dont want to be deliberately run over, don't wear tshirts like sluts" or something equally insensitive. Plus, adult women aren't kids. | /r/MensRights | 08/09/13 06:50 PM |
| 7 | Arguments against feminist SlutWalk protests.He said "like a slut". I'm using "like an idiot" as an analogy. If the authorities said to one of the prison rape advocacy groups "if you don't want to get raped in prison, don't drop the soap like a slut" or something similar, there would be protests from that group. Same would go for any similar group. Feminists are full of shit in many ways, so we are we with our failure to find out what slut walk is about, both groups react angrily to having their dogmas questioned. | /r/MensRights | 08/09/13 06:29 PM |
| 2 | Arguments against feminist SlutWalk protests.The basic message was that women can avoid being raped by not dressing like sluts - that was in response to rape advocacy groups, full of people raped wearing all kinds of clothes. Its like saying to a prison rape organisation - "if you don't want to get prison raped, don't get put in prison like an idiot". | /r/MensRights | 08/09/13 05:15 PM |
| 6 | Arguments against feminist SlutWalk protests.If your kid was run over deliberately while on the path not wearing noice cancellation ear buds and the police said "If you don't want be deliberately run over, don't wear noise cancellation ear buds like an idiot", you would object. The slutwalks are full of alternative types - ie. they were not wearing noise cancellation ear buds. | /r/MensRights | 08/09/13 05:09 PM |
| 8 | Arguments against feminist SlutWalk protests.So? If the police are going be to treating some kid like shit who was victimized they are being assholes who shouldn't be dealing with kids who were victimized. | /r/MensRights | 08/09/13 04:52 PM |
| 5 | Arguments against feminist SlutWalk protests.They have a problem with some tips in some contexts, and not others. | /r/MensRights | 08/09/13 04:49 PM |
| 7 | Arguments against feminist SlutWalk protests.but that analogy would be wrong because people are raped in all kinds of clothing. Thats why the slut walks are full of alternative types, and not the sassy "sluts" that most people imagine rapists target because of their clothes. | /r/MensRights | 08/09/13 04:46 PM |
| 2 | Arguments against feminist SlutWalk protests.The reality is that "self blame"--aka a sense of control over a situation--is less likely to cause injury then learned helplessness. The self blame doesn't cause the injury, the self blame is a painful symptom of the injury. Either way, the police shouldn't say to men or women that were raped, "if you don't want to be raped, don't do X like an idiot/slut/douchbag whatever". | /r/MensRights | 08/09/13 04:43 PM |
| 8 | Arguments against feminist SlutWalk protests.If one of your kids was run over over deliberately and the police said, "if you don't want your kids to be run over deliberately, don't have them near the road like an idiot" you'd be pissed. If there was a support group for people whos kids had been run over deliberately, and the police said that, the support group would object. The slutwalk wasn't about advice to exercise caution. Its about something much more complex and nuanced. | /r/MensRights | 08/09/13 04:35 PM |
| 3 | Arguments against feminist SlutWalk protests.Right, and when people are run over deliberately, we don't say "if you don't want to get run over deliberately, don't go near the road like an idiot". | /r/MensRights | 08/09/13 04:33 PM |
| 7 | Arguments against feminist SlutWalk protests.If you knew what you were taking about, you would know that part of it is to do with PTSD and "victim blaming". | /r/MensRights | 08/09/13 02:31 PM |
| 18 | Arguments against feminist SlutWalk protests.You should probably do some research and ask people that know what its about. This isn't the place. The people here just guess and are usually wrong. The basic thing behind it is that people with PTSD relating to rape suffer with intense feelings of self blame and guilt. When people say things like "if you don't want to get raped, don't dress like a slut" it not only misrepresents rape and promotes the myth that wearing revealing clothes is what leads to rape, it also exaggerates the self blame … | /r/MensRights | 08/09/13 01:36 PM |
| 5 | What is the Mens Rights movement actually doing?Creating noise, being controversial and growing. | /r/MensRights | 07/09/13 10:05 PM |
| 1 | My uni does it right. Very logical and equal.Yeah, but beyond random individual social justice idiots on twitter, I wouldn't be surprised if the Dr. Phil organisation is helping organised feminism handball drunk rape into the public discourse. He helped them with VAWA in the past, and they toe the man bad woman good line. If their objective is to treat agreeing to sex while drunk as rape if the alleged victim feels they have been taken advantage of, in the same way contract law treats other agreements while mentally impaired - which it is,… | /r/MensRights | 07/09/13 12:03 PM |
| 1 | My uni does it right. Very logical and equal.You brought up slut walk, you used the analogy drunk walk. I used an analogy for what the cop said, which was - "if you dont want to get raped, don't dress like a slut". If the police said - "if you don't want to be run over by drunk drivers, don't go near the road like an idiot". Victims of drunk drivers would likely protest because the cop would be "victim blaming". Your analogy is wrong on many levels, the correct analogy for telling people not to drink drive would be telling people not to ra… | /r/MensRights | 06/09/13 04:17 PM |
| 1 | Why does it seem that feminists cant have an open discussion about the issues they bring up? It's frustrating being a MRA when all I do is seemingly talk to a wall...The pay off isn't worth the stress when 99.9 times out of 100 you are taking to a true believer though. | /r/MensRights | 06/09/13 01:42 PM |
| 0 | My uni does it right. Very logical and equal.Your analogy doesn't work. People might well protest if the police said to people seriously injured by being run over deliberately - "if you don't want to be deliberately run over by a criminal driver don't go out at night like an idiot". | /r/MensRights | 06/09/13 12:46 PM |
| -1 | My uni does it right. Very logical and equal.What /u/5th_Law_of_Robotics[1] said was that as soon as you give advice to women (in this fashion), it becomes "Victim blaming". But its an untrue statement. If the police were to say something along the lines "if you don't want to get raped don't dress like a slut", it would be considered victim blaming. | /r/MensRights | 06/09/13 11:57 AM |
| -2 | My uni does it right. Very logical and equal.He is probably being down voted because its not true that as soon as advice is given to women its "victim blaming". | /r/MensRights | 06/09/13 11:55 AM |
| 0 | My uni does it right. Very logical and equal.No. Unless your source is a some hyperbolic SJW that's either trolling you or doesn't understand the victim blaming argument. There is certain kinds of advice they object to and other kinds they don't. The differences are nuanced. | /r/MensRights | 06/09/13 11:49 AM |
| 4 | Men brought the so called MRA problems on themselves.The women brought their problems on themselves by choosing to socialize children in to the gender roles some call "patriarchy", that was easy wasn't it? Reading your post - women's abuse doesn't count. Men compete and take abuse to deserve women. Women are acted upon victims, men are actors ... so, are you ze patriarchy? Can you see why feminists are considered a joke out side of their echo chambers? | /r/MensRights | 05/09/13 03:50 PM |
| 3 | Why does it seem that feminists cant have an open discussion about the issues they bring up? It's frustrating being a MRA when all I do is seemingly talk to a wall...Simple answer, stop taking them. Talk to non feminists, they are our pool. | /r/MensRights | 04/09/13 10:39 PM |
| 4 | What is the stance (here) on transgendered issues, gender identity disorder, gender dysphoria?Serious issues for those affected by them. | /r/MensRights | 04/09/13 10:12 PM |
| 0 | My uni does it right. Very logical and equal.Yeah that says "if". The studies on alcohol and drug blood levels of those that report being spiked show that it doesn't really happen. Most of the people reporting being spiked are working off hysteria created by it being misrepresented as common. I'd bet wherever those posters go up, so does the number of people that were not spiked, believing that they were. | /r/MensRights | 04/09/13 10:10 PM |
| -1 | My uni does it right. Very logical and equal.Show me the study that says that. The three studies on the blood toxicology of women presenting at hospitals saying their were spiked found only a tiny % of them had anything in their systems bar what they reported taking themselves. | /r/MensRights | 04/09/13 07:29 PM |
| -1 | My uni does it right. Very logical and equal.Urbane / urban whatever. Interesting that was noticed, while the sheer stupidity and logistical nightmare and risk to health and safety of advising all people to bring their drinks to the bathroom is being applauded. | /r/MensRights | 04/09/13 05:51 PM |
| 0 | It's OK to objectify people if those people are just men........This forum is really dense sometimes. They are not saying its ok to objectify men, they are reversing the genders to make a point about women being objectified. | /r/MensRights | 04/09/13 05:39 PM |
| -9 | My uni does it right. Very logical and equal.Your uni is creating unnecessary rape hysteria, which in turn leads to misandry, IMO. Its sends the message "wtf there are so many rapists dropping drugs in drinks I even have to take my drink the bathroom with me?". And the studies on drink spiking show that its largely an urbane myth. | /r/MensRights | 04/09/13 05:01 PM |
| 1 | Dr Phil and the feminist inquisition (xpost)Dr. Phil and the deliberately manufactured drama more like. | /r/MensRights | 04/09/13 05:00 PM |
| 4 | My College has this posted around. Thoughts? I don't know if it's going by the stats or what.One study in 49 American states used 1,179 urine specimens collected from people who believed that they had been victims of a drug-facilitated sexual assault. The study found that only six (0.5%) tested positive for Rohypnol. 8% tested positive for some other benzodiazepine (though it is unclear what portion of the 8% involved benzos that were knowingly taken by the alleged victims themselves either recreationally or medically), 38% positive for alcohol, and 40% negative for any of the drugs sea… | /r/MensRights | 03/09/13 09:58 PM |
| 3 | My College has this posted around. Thoughts? I don't know if it's going by the stats or what.There have been three studies on blood toxicology of women presenting at hospitals believing themselves to have been spiked, around 5% of them had substances or drinks in their system that they didn't remember taking themselves. The poster is paranoia, rape-hysteria inducing. | /r/MensRights | 03/09/13 04:09 PM |
| 1 | Feminists actively objectifying male body, where is the outrage now?Fuck, every day we have "imagine if the genders were reversed" posts and yet we are confused when feminists make a reversed genders video. | /r/MensRights | 03/09/13 04:02 PM |
| 1 | Feminists actively objectifying male body, where is the outrage now?Its a parody of objectification. | /r/MensRights | 03/09/13 12:58 PM |
| 1 | A Feminist who is an "MRA", is like a Square Which is a CircleWe don't reject them, we have always been influenced by Farrell, CHS, Straus etc. - is just that these people are not considered feminists by the feminists movement, they are considered anti-feminists. | /r/MensRights | 02/09/13 04:24 PM |
| 0 | A Feminist who is an "MRA", is like a Square Which is a CircleRight, that's why its best just to carry on as we are, and not start some filtering system to try to accommodate the needle in a haystack feminists, who will be supporting us anyway if their beliefs correlate with ours. | /r/MensRights | 02/09/13 12:02 PM |
| 1 | A Feminist who is an "MRA", is like a Square Which is a CircleOk, why do you think there is a problem in the first place? Can you point me to where these egalitarian feminists that won't behave as I described are, they must have organisations and web sites ... | /r/MensRights | 02/09/13 11:05 AM |
| -1 | A Feminist who is an "MRA", is like a Square Which is a CircleWhat you are proposing is a flood of people into our little movement demanding it change to suit their sensibilities and disown our only effective groups, then the entire conversation steers away from mens rights and towards bickering. This has happened before. | /r/MensRights | 02/09/13 10:43 AM |
| 1 | A Feminist who is an "MRA", is like a Square Which is a CircleReally? So feminists with signs saying all men are bastards, covering up abuse and the black panthers are less radical than us? Show me one social movement that wasn't radical. I think you are young, have only arrived in the movement and are naive about how social movements work. | /r/MensRights | 02/09/13 12:37 AM |
| 1 | A Feminist who is an "MRA", is like a Square Which is a CircleWhat about MLK? What about Gandhi? How did they do it? Radicalism, tough rhetoric that made the masses and status quo unconformable. | /r/MensRights | 02/09/13 12:23 AM |
| 1 | A Feminist who is an "MRA", is like a Square Which is a CircleThe feminist movement was successful because it was radical, far more radical than we are, same with the civil rights movement, there is no such thing as a successful movement that isn't radical. | /r/MensRights | 02/09/13 12:23 AM |
| 2 | A Feminist who is an "MRA", is like a Square Which is a CircleNo, we always reached out to ordinary feminists, who treated us like shit ... we have never been talking with the higher up feminists. | /r/MensRights | 01/09/13 10:50 PM |
| -1 | A Feminist who is an "MRA", is like a Square Which is a CircleWhat you are proposing a flood of people into our little movement demanding it change to suit their sensibilities and disown our only effective groups and the entire conversation steers away from mens rights and into bickering. This has happened before. | /r/MensRights | 01/09/13 10:37 PM |
| 2 | A Feminist who is an "MRA", is like a Square Which is a CircleWhy do you think its important to sway feminists and don't you know the mens movement tried that for years? If you want to sway feminists, go to their areas and try it. | /r/MensRights | 01/09/13 10:35 PM |
| 0 | A Feminist who is an "MRA", is like a Square Which is a CircleYou are incorrect. Making that distinction leads to trouble. | /r/MensRights | 01/09/13 09:47 PM |
| 2 | A Feminist who is an "MRA", is like a Square Which is a CircleWe already accept CHS. This idea that the mens movement should change in some way to accommodate feminists does weaken the structure. Newer people need to know that we don't need feminist approval. | /r/MensRights | 01/09/13 09:34 PM |
| 2 | A Feminist who is an "MRA", is like a Square Which is a CircleSo what though? If there are a few feminists somewhere that aren't like that, why should we restructure and weaken our movement to accommodate them? If they want to join, they will anyway. Anyhow, the mens movement has been through this many times in the past. trying to work with feminists leads to trouble, they demand the movement changes to suit their sensibilities. | /r/MensRights | 01/09/13 09:29 PM |
| 2 | A Feminist who is an "MRA", is like a Square Which is a CircleShe was ostracised by the feminist movement. | /r/MensRights | 01/09/13 07:19 PM |
| 2 | A Feminist who is an "MRA", is like a Square Which is a CircleThe followers all support the legislation and ideology of the crazies anyway. | /r/MensRights | 01/09/13 07:17 PM |
| -1 | A Feminist who is an "MRA", is like a Square Which is a CircleCHS isn't considered a feminist by feminism. | /r/MensRights | 01/09/13 07:17 PM |
| 1 | A Feminist who is an "MRA", is like a Square Which is a CircleIf we started making that distinction we would be very easy to co-opt and it would lead to a very weak movement. | /r/MensRights | 01/09/13 07:15 PM |
| 1 | I am a women's and men's rights activist.It would be easier if feminism wasn't framing abuse and violence as male, and better for society too. Most peoples first lessons of abuse and violence are at the hand of their main caregiver. | /r/MensRights | 01/09/13 02:38 AM |
| 1 | My thoughts on "It was rape because I was drunk".It is if you successfully argue you were not in your right mind. So the drunk consent thing is comparable to contract law. Mra's being confused as to why it doesn't apply to drunk driving, are confused because they are comparing apples and oranges instead of law that relates to agreements between people. | /r/MensRights | 31/08/13 06:28 PM |
| 3 | What is the difference between "good" feminism, and "bad" feminism?After all, one of the most frustrating things about debating "feminism" is that the definition of feminism changes depending on who's talking and what definition suits them at the time This is exactly why the mens movement took the road of attacking it all. Separating them in to good and bad leads to a quagmire. | /r/MensRights | 30/08/13 04:32 PM |
| -3 | What is the difference between "good" feminism, and "bad" feminism?There is no set way. There are people that just go "everything about feminism is dumb" without understanding the meaning of any of the things they are criticizing, there are others that do understand and criticize some but not all of these things, and everything in between. A stumbling block for the mens movement is it tends to deal more with the lowest forms and least knowledgeable feminists - tumblr and the like | /r/MensRights | 30/08/13 04:21 PM |
| 8 | OK. I still don't get it about this place and feminists.Covering up abuse and misleading the public and follower feminists for 30 years. http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mas2/V71-Straus_Thirty-Years-Denying-Evidence-PV_10.pdf If you believe the feminist position on domestic violence, you hate men on some level. | /r/MensRights | 30/08/13 12:42 PM |
| 1 | What's the best, most effective way forward for men's activism?Donate where you can the various groups and spread the word in your circles. | /r/MensRights | 29/08/13 07:40 PM |
| 1 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.I keep pointing out inconsistencies in what you have said, and the fact you cannot back up your positions, you fail to take responsibility for that, while accusing others of not taking responsibility. | /r/MensRights | 29/08/13 04:50 PM |
| 1 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.Facts are that she is is taking responsibility, according to your published definitions. You can't demonstrate otherwise. Its also demonstrated that you are taking not responsibility, according to your own definitions. | /r/MensRights | 29/08/13 03:06 PM |
| 1 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.You published what those girls thoughts are. You said you "knew" I am a feminist despite the fact that you don't have special access to either mine or the girls inner thoughts while its highly unlikely she is not regretting her actions, and highly unlikely I am a covert feminist and all my pro men's rights posts here are an elaborate cover. That's just irrational nonsense. There are no facts that don't correlate with my ideological viewpoint. That's what people from tight ideological groups tend… | /r/MensRights | 29/08/13 09:34 AM |
| 1 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.Mind reading again. And I'm not here going to incredible lengths to avoiding facing up to facts that aren't correlating with my ideological view point, you are. | /r/MensRights | 28/08/13 09:42 PM |
| 1 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.I'm not calling you a feminist, I'm saying its like taking to one. | /r/MensRights | 28/08/13 09:34 PM |
| 2 | Anti-lads' mags and anti-peopleUnachievable beauty standards, playing on insecurities to sell products and the relationship advice. | /r/MensRights | 28/08/13 09:32 PM |
| 2 | Anti-lads' mags and anti-peopleFeminism objects to the likes of cosmo too. | /r/MensRights | 28/08/13 08:41 PM |
| 1 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.Again, with the feminist style answer. | /r/MensRights | 28/08/13 07:59 PM |
| 1 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.No mind dreading necessary. Its there in print that you accusing people of doing things, and then you are there in print doing those very things. | /r/MensRights | 28/08/13 07:58 PM |
| 1 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.As I've been saying, you're projecting your characteristics onto the girl. You aren't being adult enough to take responsibility for your own words or admit being wrong. Same goes for accusing me of being the one that has to "win" - this is you projecting what you are. | /r/MensRights | 28/08/13 07:48 PM |
| -4 | Anti-lads' mags and anti-peopleI described objectification when I said packaging, commidifying, airbrushing and selling of womens sexuality for use as advertising propaganda They can also easily argue that doing that to a human woman does create misogny, in the same way that treating men like idiots that buy products because a stylized female sexuality is attached to it, or depicting men as idiots in sit coms creates misandry. | /r/MensRights | 28/08/13 06:07 PM |
| 1 | This has 85,000 notes. I feel like I'm living in a different universe than this person...Its really about eugenics. Gov. subsidized day care is supposed to create more wealth for the middle classes which is in turn supposed to increase their birth rate. Gov. subsidized birth control is supposed to be unitized by "choice" by those that could otherwise not afford it/are not ready, to decrease the birth rate of the poor and those not ready. Its a good system in theory. Few to none of these feminists know the real meaning of it. | /r/MensRights | 28/08/13 02:08 PM |
| 0 | This has 85,000 notes. I feel like I'm living in a different universe than this person...Its pretty reasonable to expect the gov. to make sure the poor and unready aren't coerced into having more children than they can afford / want. Its a good plan, its only messed up by giving the poor financial incentives to have children that they otherwise couldn't afford, which leads to a whole mess of social problems. | /r/MensRights | 28/08/13 01:21 PM |
| -2 | Anti-lads' mags and anti-peopleThey are talking about the packaging, commidifying, airbrushing and selling of womens sexuality for use as advertising propaganda (but are labeling it "patriarchy"). They don't believe that simply appreciating beauty is misogny. Disclaimer It would be irrational to think that the fact that I know that makes me a traitor. | /r/MensRights | 28/08/13 01:17 PM |
| 5 | Anti-lads' mags and anti-peopleWell - we object to men being depicted as idiots in sit coms and advertising. That, as well as linking sexualized images of women to products (which is all lad mags are really.) have the same source - Edward Bernays. What they are calling "patriarchy" and "lads mags" and "sexism" and we are calling "men being depicted as idiots" is really the application of Freud's theories and Bernays ideas to adverting propaganda. | /r/MensRights | 28/08/13 01:10 PM |
| 1 | Preparing for the Coming 20/20 Hit piece against Paul ElamSomeone who deliberately twists and quote mines in order to make false accusations :) | /r/MensRights | 28/08/13 09:46 AM |
| 0 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.Again projection. You are the one here that's being too insecure is admit where they were wrong. I'm willing to admit where I was wrong, and that I did start with the insults and I apologize for that - I have a pet hate of the flawed thinking that causes some among us to prove the feminists correct about their rape culture ie. that when women are sexually free its normal for them to be abused for it, and that they themselves are primarily responsible for it. The evidence there suggests the girl … | /r/MensRights | 28/08/13 09:39 AM |
| 1 | “If you are walking down the street at 2am in Kings Cross in Sydney and you get (hit with a devastating sucker punch), maybe you shouldn't be there. Maybe it was an unwise place to be, an unwise thing to do." says Australia's next PM, Tony Abbott.Good safety advice is fine, as long as the person wants it and it actually applies to the crime in question (ie. its misleading and insulting giving out mugging style advice or dress code advice for rape), and I don't think its our place to give it out. "If you don't want to be king hit / raped don't go to Kings Cross at night / wear a short skirt", is victim blaming. What Abbot did was squarely put the blame on the kid for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. If you are deliberately side… | /r/MensRights | 27/08/13 10:38 PM |
| 3 | This post is directed at Feminists.Why are you grovelling to feminists here? | /r/MensRights | 27/08/13 10:33 PM |
| 1 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.You are asserting the girl is not taking responsibility for her actions. You went through difference phases, one seemed to be that she is responsible for others abuse and then after that you claimed see was not taking responsibility because he wasn't accepting what she had done might have been a mistake, and making a mental not not to it again, when you can't possibly have access to that information about her. | /r/MensRights | 27/08/13 04:50 PM |
| 6 | Preparing for the Coming 20/20 Hit piece against Paul Elamhttp://www.avoiceformen.com/men/mens-issues/if-you-see-jezebel-in-the-road-run-the-bitch-down/ This one was likely brought up too, but its not sature http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/government-tyranny/on-jury-nullification-and-rape/ | /r/MensRights | 27/08/13 04:34 PM |
| 1 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.Sure, if you show me where you said you can't support that assertion. | /r/MensRights | 27/08/13 04:31 PM |
| 1 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.Can you admit that you cannot support your initial claim that she is not taking responsibility for her actions? | /r/MensRights | 27/08/13 04:18 PM |
| -2 | Why is /r/mensrights so opposed to /r/theredpill?Yeah the funny thing is these guys are determining their worth in relation to women, so the are really a breed of mangina. | /r/MensRights | 27/08/13 04:17 PM |
| 1 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.That's true, I did. I called you dim and callous when you were saying that she deserves no or little sympathy because she is responsible for the abuse, it was rather dim and callous. Not because I was trying to hide behind insults because I couldn't support my own argument rationally. | /r/MensRights | 27/08/13 04:03 PM |
| 1 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.Perhaps if you had conceded when you lost, rather than insulting More projection, you could not support your initial assertion and still can't and fell back on sarcasm and teen girl snark. You are what you claimed the girl is. | /r/MensRights | 27/08/13 03:24 PM |
| 6 | Why is /r/mensrights so opposed to /r/theredpill?My issue is the dogma, irrationality, faux alpha male nonsense and groupthink. I'll give you an example, men and women with certain personality disorders can be very charming and attractive to the opposite sex, they can lure people in and treat them badly and the people will keep going back for more. The likes of redpill, like feminism is only looking through one eye, and only sees the women that are attracted to men with PDS and holds it up as proof of their ideology, when in reality what it is… | /r/MensRights | 27/08/13 02:43 PM |
| 1 | “If you are walking down the street at 2am in Kings Cross in Sydney and you get (hit with a devastating sucker punch), maybe you shouldn't be there. Maybe it was an unwise place to be, an unwise thing to do." says Australia's next PM, Tony Abbott.Ah ok. Is our position that the reasoning behind slutwalks is right, or wrong? | /r/MensRights | 27/08/13 12:41 PM |
| 0 | “If you are walking down the street at 2am in Kings Cross in Sydney and you get (hit with a devastating sucker punch), maybe you shouldn't be there. Maybe it was an unwise place to be, an unwise thing to do." says Australia's next PM, Tony Abbott.Is this intended to be pro or anti victim blaming? | /r/MensRights | 27/08/13 12:12 PM |
| 2 | Male feminist falsely accused of rape, almost beaten by white knights because of it, still says false rape accusations aren't a problem and are very rareYeah, you can see what they did. Created a faux drama with a rape accusation to set an agenda and generate drama and page views, now they are riding the wave. | /r/MensRights | 27/08/13 11:51 AM |
| 2 | MHRM Overview, 20/20 and crazy feministsI wouldn't bet on that. Warren is vilified as pro rape and incest, Murray Straus was is vilified as not understanding his own statistics and was painted as a sex harasser, both are successful. | /r/MensRights | 27/08/13 11:42 AM |
| 4 | Male feminist falsely accused of rape, almost beaten by white knights because of it, still says false rape accusations aren't a problem and are very rareScreen cap please. | /r/MensRights | 27/08/13 11:36 AM |
| 3 | MHRM Overview, 20/20 and crazy feministsThis is great. | /r/MensRights | 27/08/13 11:34 AM |
| 3 | MHRM Overview, 20/20 and crazy feministsTraditionally the only way for the mens movement to not be vilified by them is to sit down and shut the fuck up. The most the most mild mannered and even feminist people that contradict feminist dogma, say for example - Murry Straus or Warren Farrell are vilified. | /r/MensRights | 27/08/13 11:34 AM |
| 1 | Girl gives guys oral at concert. After the pictures appear online claims rape, people consider her a victim.I've been here since near the beginning and been in the movement itself longer than this place has been around. I've seen this forum through various phases. | /r/MensRights | 27/08/13 09:45 AM |
| 0 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.More projection, you are saying the things that are unsupported by evidence. You cannot even demonstrate that shes not taking responsibility to support your narrative. All we know is that she has done what people the public eye typically do when caught up in something similar - had a little bit of mental health support, sent a quiet message through the media that she wanted to put it behind her and move on with her life. She has not publicly blamed anyone else for her behaviour and you cannot de… | /r/MensRights | 27/08/13 09:26 AM |
| 1 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.Like, you can't even establish that she was blaming others for her own behavior in the first place. You have no idea what shes thinking, you just imagine that you do. | /r/MensRights | 26/08/13 10:33 PM |
| 1 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.You didn't back up your claim. You created a strawoman, that's blaming others for her own behaviour and then attacked that. Before that you seemed be saying she needed to take responsibility for the abuse she was getting. After it you acted like you knew what she was thinking. | /r/MensRights | 26/08/13 10:22 PM |
| 1 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.Whats with acting like I'm coming onto you over and over in lieu of backing up your claims? Isn't more of the same sort of silly shit the feminists do when they can't back up their claims with logic? If you were bigger and more responsible you would be able to back up your claims with evidence, or say that you can't. | /r/MensRights | 26/08/13 10:17 PM |
| 1 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.but the reasons you have given are contracted by the facts on the ground and she seems to be conforming to your stated definitions of taking responsibility. Is your dogma trumping the facts on the ground? | /r/MensRights | 26/08/13 10:11 PM |
| 1 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.So, care to support finally your assertion with facts instead of hiding behind some pua dogma? How is not pressing charges and moving on with her life, not taking responsibility? Is she not taking responsibility because thats what your dogma tells you whats happening? | /r/MensRights | 26/08/13 10:07 PM |
| 0 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.Why did you opt for repetitive, very passive aggressive teen girl snark and projection and evading straight forward questions if you didn't want to bother someone? Now you are blaming me for the heat you created with your own girlish behaviour, all the while accusing me of being what you are. I'm simply asking you to clarify how not cooperating with the police by not pressing charges and wanting to move on with her life is not taking responsibility? Why don't you take some responsibility for the… | /r/MensRights | 26/08/13 09:51 PM |
| 1 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.And now you are damselling!!! Everything you have accused her and myself of, you are doing yourself!! Asked to back up claims with logic and evidence = harassment. | /r/MensRights | 26/08/13 09:30 PM |
| 1 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.You cannot even clarify what she is not taking responsibility for or what she should be doing differently. | /r/MensRights | 26/08/13 09:27 PM |
| 1 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.Don't blame me because your answers make no sense and when that's pointed out to you, you hide behind teen girl snark. Back up your claim that this kid is not taking responsibility for something with some evidence, you passive aggressive idiot, its your choice to be passive aggressive and snarky, now you have this - take responsibility for the things you are saying. Simple. | /r/MensRights | 26/08/13 09:23 PM |
| 2 | Wow. I guess /r/feminism does ban you for just about anything.So you went to an area that has strict banning rules because it was getting flooded with posts like yours and created another area for people to visit and ask questions, and you are telling us now about how you got banned. You should just ask your question in /r/askfeminists instead. | /r/MensRights | 26/08/13 09:19 PM |
| 0 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.None of what you said is real or logical. I'm asking for something logical, that you will stand behind when its said back to you. The girl won't cooperate with the police and press charges about the pictures of her consensual sex acts, she may or may not press charges on a separate actual assault that was caught on camera, she has said to a source in the press that she just wants to move on and put it behind her ... I'm simply asking you to back up your claim. What is she not taking responsibili… | /r/MensRights | 26/08/13 07:55 PM |
| 1 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.You didn't, you said things that made no sense. Then hid behind teen girl snark instead of owning your words. Articulate what she is not taking responsibility for and how she should. | /r/MensRights | 26/08/13 06:41 PM |
| 1 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.Have a go at demonstrating what she is not taking responsibility for and should and how she should do it, without saying something dumb like she is responsible for other peoples abuse, some irrational mind reading trick or teen girl snark. | /r/MensRights | 26/08/13 06:34 PM |
| 1 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.You didn't, logically. You said dumb things, then refused to own them when it was pointed out to you. | /r/MensRights | 26/08/13 06:31 PM |
| 1 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.I'm not spinning things, you are to avoid owning your words, and are accusing me of doing what you are. If you could logically articulate what this kid is not taking responsibility for and should, you would. | /r/MensRights | 26/08/13 06:27 PM |
| 1 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.No, your teen girl passive aggression and snark as well your unwillingness to own what you say has got under my skin though. | /r/MensRights | 26/08/13 06:17 PM |
| 1 | I feel like radical feminist delusions are becoming mainstream. Here is my take on the #slanegirl incident.There you go not taking responsibility for your own words. You said she isn't taking responsibility. You said you would be if she regretted it, and thought twice about doing it again, implying thats not what she is already doing (she is most likely doing this in spades) she would be taking responsibility. You presumed to have access to her inner thoughts, now you wont stand behind your own words and you are blaming me for it. | /r/MensRights | 26/08/13 05:48 PM |
| 1 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.You can say I made things up, if that helps you feel like a righteous person. Don't make it so. You made up a ridiculous narrative in which the kid isn't regretting her actions, or making a mental note to do it again. | /r/MensRights | 26/08/13 05:46 PM |
| 2 | I feel like radical feminist delusions are becoming mainstream. Here is my take on the #slanegirl incident.I don't need you to be an irrational delusional villain. I'm just saying back to you what you said. You aren't up to taking responsibility for your own words. | /r/MensRights | 26/08/13 05:07 PM |
| 1 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.Making things up about her, and presuming to know her thoughts doesn't count. That was just irrationality on your part. What exactly is she supposed to take responsibility for, the bullying? How is she supposed to take responsibility? | /r/MensRights | 26/08/13 05:04 PM |
| 2 | I feel like radical feminist delusions are becoming mainstream. Here is my take on the #slanegirl incident.Ah, would you think I was more interested in mens rights if I thought I'd access to that girls inner thoughts like you do? | /r/MensRights | 26/08/13 04:57 PM |
| 1 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.Do you want one last chance to try to articulate what exactly she not taking responsibility for and how she should go about it? No mind-reading or other such irrationality this time. | /r/MensRights | 26/08/13 04:56 PM |
| 2 | I feel like radical feminist delusions are becoming mainstream. Here is my take on the #slanegirl incident.There is that irony again. You're our answer to one of the lesser function feminists all feelings and dogma until it falls apart, then its hiding behind teen girl snark. | /r/MensRights | 26/08/13 04:52 PM |
| 2 | Can we talk about 50:50 custody of children?Shared parenting rights doesn't mean mandatory 50/50 custody, thats just a lie that various feminist groups spread to manipulate people into to opposing it. Shared parenting rights means that in the event of divorce, both parents are recognized as having parental rights, then the split is decided from there according to what works and is best for the child, it could be say - every second weekend. I think most people would agree that having the child change home once or twice a week is generally … | /r/MensRights | 26/08/13 01:54 PM |
| 0 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.Ah right, you feel you have special access to a strangers inner thoughts because you are intelligent. Why would you think that this person hasn't realized that they might have made a mistake, there were negative consequences and that they haven't made a mental note not to do it again the future? Isn't that the complete opposite of what she is most likely thinking, why did you jump to such an unlikely conclusion? Isn't it funny how you are publishing these illogical and unlikely things about what… | /r/MensRights | 26/08/13 09:16 AM |
| 2 | I feel like radical feminist delusions are becoming mainstream. Here is my take on the #slanegirl incident.It's true that humans can pair bond multiple times. Sources here to support my that claim women invented pair bonding as a means to acquire more resources, and also the cultural suppression of female sexuality. http://www.reddit.com/r/mensrightslinks/comments/157pwc/social_study_sexual_economics_sex_as_female/ http://psycnet.apa.org/index.cfm?fa=buy.optionToBuy&id=2002-02996-003 But then, feels trumps reason for you, don't it? Don't project your characteristics onto me. Its feeling trumping reas… | /r/MensRights | 26/08/13 09:14 AM |
| 3 | I feel like radical feminist delusions are becoming mainstream. Here is my take on the #slanegirl incident.No imagination there, the OP is largely in agreement with radfems on women being punished for being sexually free. And you're saying the same thing as the OP and the radfems on another thread - that its normal for a woman to be abused for being sexually free, and that she must take responsibility for her actions when she is victimized and shamed by others because of it. Redfems call it a component of "rape culture" and "victim blaming" You might call it reality or logical or some such, the OP ex… | /r/MensRights | 26/08/13 09:09 AM |
| 1 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.I'll be impressed when you tell me how you know what strangers are thinking. | /r/MensRights | 26/08/13 12:00 AM |
| 1 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.There is that irony again. | /r/MensRights | 25/08/13 11:57 PM |
| 1 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.You didn't try reasoned arguments. When I eventually asked you what you meant by her taking responsibility you defined what she should be thinking, as if you know what she's thinking. In reality, out side of magical thinking mind reading land, she is most likely already conforming to your stated definition of taking responsibility. | /r/MensRights | 25/08/13 11:56 PM |
| 1 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.Don't tell lies. I asked you how she should take responsibility. You said by thinking various things making the assumption that she wasn't thinking those things, as if you somehow knew what she is thinking. | /r/MensRights | 25/08/13 11:53 PM |
| 0 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.Irony - you don't realize that it funny that you are being passive aggressive and girlish, ("sigh") while simultaneously trying to call me a girl in lieu of a logical argument. Hows that mind reading going, it must be great to just know what others are thinking? | /r/MensRights | 25/08/13 09:28 PM |
| 0 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.You claim she isn't taking responsibility. I asked you tell us how she could do that. You said she would be taking responsibility if she thought she shouldn't have done it, and thought better about it in the future. But you have no idea that she isn't already thinking that, so your whole argument rests on an irrational assumption that you have access to a strangers inner thoughts. | /r/MensRights | 25/08/13 09:24 PM |
| 1 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.Tell us Einstein, how do you know what she is or isn't thinking? | /r/MensRights | 25/08/13 09:13 PM |
| 1 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.She should accept that she probably shouldn't have sucked dick in public and make a mental note to ask herself, prior to acting impulsively, if this might affect her future. Ah, so you can mind read. You presume to know that she isn't thinking that. More of the same irony, you are irrational, while treating me like its me that is. You can't mind read. | /r/MensRights | 25/08/13 09:11 PM |
| 0 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.So Einstein, How should she be taking responsibility for the sexually immature bullies callous behaviour? Should she apologize to herself and call herself a sexually unsophisticated bully? | /r/MensRights | 25/08/13 09:09 PM |
| 0 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.More of the same irony. | /r/MensRights | 25/08/13 09:08 PM |
| 0 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.It is your position, you don't like how it sounds when its said back to you, and I don't blame you. Don't you find your passive aggressive style and the teen girl sigh ironic considering? | /r/MensRights | 25/08/13 08:57 PM |
| 1 | My thoughts on "It was rape because I was drunk".So, if you are drunk and someone comes up behind you and feels you up, its partly your fault? | /r/MensRights | 25/08/13 08:53 PM |
| 0 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.So tell us what she should do. Make a public statement that she is responsible for the public shaming and abuse, and deciding to have it impact her mental heath to the point she was hospitalized was just a poor life decision? She is not responsible for the actions of sexually immature bullies. | /r/MensRights | 25/08/13 08:51 PM |
| 1 | My thoughts on "It was rape because I was drunk".The point is that in law that deals with people making arrangements and agreements between each other, intoxication can mitigate consent. In drink driving, being drunk does not mitigate the drivers culpability and drink driving isn't an agreement between people. You are comparing apples and oranges and wondering why they are not the same. | /r/MensRights | 25/08/13 08:01 PM |
| 6 | I think the point is being missed a little here...Feminist jurisprudence is negatively impacting mens rights, feminism has been denying a need for mens rights and denying male suffering and female privilege. Feminism has also being lying about serious things like domestic and child abuse and rape - misrepresenting them as gendered. So in order for there to be equality feminism has to be dealt with. | /r/MensRights | 25/08/13 07:45 PM |
| 1 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.Women should be treated the same way I would treat a man You're dumb, the point is she was abused and shamed. The man wasn't. You are advocating for different treatment. Also, if you saw a man being a sexual exhibitionist you would abuse him and think he is responsible your behaviour, is that really what you are saying? You're so dim. Do you frequently see other people as being responsible for others abuse? | /r/MensRights | 25/08/13 07:20 PM |
| 1 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.but I'm not wrong. Your position - that the girl needs to take responsibility for other peoples behaviour is the irrational position, based in a fallacy. | /r/MensRights | 25/08/13 07:18 PM |
| 0 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.You're too dim and callous for this conversation. What dim process caused you to assume that I'm female? If I was dim enough to say that the girl needs to take responsible for abuse she receives from other people and callous enough not to have an sympathy for the impact the public bullying and shaming had on her mental health would you assume I'm male? What makes you think that pointing out how the feminists correctly predicted your blaming the girl for the abuse she has gotten helps me to sleep… | /r/MensRights | 25/08/13 05:24 PM |
| 1 | Ah yes, I join the ranks of banned men from /r/feminismYou were banned from /r/askfeminists?- the separate area they created for opposing view points? | /r/MensRights | 25/08/13 04:56 PM |
| 1 | Ah yes, I join the ranks of banned men from /r/feminismSo you went to an area that specifically says its for people that don't challenge feminism only, and has a separate area for asking questions/challenging ... and you were banned, and now you are telling us about it ... | /r/MensRights | 25/08/13 04:51 PM |
| 1 | My thoughts on "It was rape because I was drunk".We don't always hold people responsible for agreements they made while drunk (see contract law) and consenting to sex isn't the commission of a crime. So the analogy doesn't work on at least two levels. Sex is about agreements. Its contractual in nature, look up the definition of consensual, marriage, engagement etc. | /r/MensRights | 25/08/13 02:55 PM |
| 1 | I feel like radical feminist delusions are becoming mainstream. Here is my take on the #slanegirl incident.Any abuse resulting from this incident is simply a sector of society’s subconscious acknowledgement of her deviation from established sexual norms. So you are agreeing with the rad fems when they say society is such that women will be punished for being sexually free, and then blamed for victimization they receive, because they stepped outside the rules and that this is happening at a subconscious level. | /r/MensRights | 25/08/13 01:52 PM |
| 0 | My thoughts on "It was rape because I was drunk".Sex has never been considered anything similar to a contract. Have you never heard of marriage, engagements or people agreeing and arranging to have sex? One's feelings about consensual sex I thought you just said that sex has never been considered anything similar to a contract? con·sen·su·al (kn-snsh-l) adj. 1. Of or expressing a consensus: a consensual decision. 2. a. Law Existing or entered into by mutual consent without formalization by document or ceremony: a consensual marriage; a consens… | /r/MensRights | 25/08/13 01:42 PM |
| -1 | I feel like radical feminist delusions are becoming mainstream. Here is my take on the #slanegirl incident.I am too pessimistic to expect complete tolerance from a species for whom such behaviour has been unacceptable since time immemorial. This isn't reflected in the research. The research on it I've seen leans towards women creating pair bonding and the cultural suppression of female sexuality as a means to secure resources. | /r/MensRights | 25/08/13 01:34 PM |
| 4 | this breath of fresh air is currently circulating around tumblr, and is mainly propagated by young womenIts the only one that tried to find the true rate, and asked the accusers to report why they made the false accusation after they admitted it. The other studies just report on an estimate of the false accusations that were come upon during the course of the rape investigation and so do not reflect the number of undetected false accusations in the categories of unfounded and prosecuted. Its like the difference between reporting the number of successfully prosecuted rapes and the number of actual … | /r/MensRights | 25/08/13 11:50 AM |
| 0 | this breath of fresh air is currently circulating around tumblr, and is mainly propagated by young womenOne of the only studies into the true number of false accusations made to the police (it found 41%) recorded that the reasons for the FA's given by the women were pretty much all along those lines. | /r/MensRights | 25/08/13 10:24 AM |
| 7 | Paul Elam of AVfM was recently interviewed by 20/20 and the woman behind the Facebook censorship campaignOh dear, should I not draw attention to feminists when they make false accusations, should I just stay quiet when feminists are making false accusations against us like they always have done, no matter what tone we are speaking in? | /r/MensRights | 25/08/13 10:18 AM |
| 3 | Paul Elam of AVfM was recently interviewed by 20/20 and the woman behind the Facebook censorship campaignRight, they are using tactics that all social movement use. If you don't know that there has to be a controversial and shocking radical wing to break through in order to pave the way for more moderate negotiations in the future, you don't know how social movements traditionally work. AVfM are getting more and more skillful at this as they go. | /r/MensRights | 25/08/13 10:16 AM |
| 1 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.I don't think that you are thinking through the full implications of the things you are saying. Feminists couldn't be right if they were given the answers ahead of time. They predict exactly the logically fallacies you are making and your callous attitude towards the girl with their "rape culture" theory. The theory predicts that when women are sexually free, and then they are victimized, people with say that's what you get for being sexually free, that's just how the culture is. | /r/MensRights | 24/08/13 10:48 PM |
| 14 | Paul Elam of AVfM was recently interviewed by 20/20 and the woman behind the Facebook censorship campaignPaul Elam is an enormous danger to his feet, because it is rare for a week to go by at AVFM without him or other writers at AVFM shooting their feet off in precisely this way. Its not shooting their feet off, its being controversial to get attention so that in the future more moderate approaches will have a easier passage, instead of the more moderate approaches coping the flack. Its known as widening the overton window. | /r/MensRights | 24/08/13 10:44 PM |
| 1 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.Yes your argument is that women should be held accountable for a non crime through infantile bullying, double standards and shaming. Its dim and callous. | /r/MensRights | 24/08/13 10:38 PM |
| 1 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.You aren't bright or sexually mature enough to see that bullying and shaming is not a legitimate consequence of relatively normal, albeit exhibitionist, sexual behaviour. You are too dim and callous to see how dim and callous you are. You are too dim to know you are proving the feminists right. | /r/MensRights | 24/08/13 10:35 PM |
| 15 | Paul Elam of AVfM was recently interviewed by 20/20 and the woman behind the Facebook censorship campaignIts great that we have a well known feminist on the record making false accusations. Looking forward to the response after the show. | /r/MensRights | 24/08/13 10:33 PM |
| 1 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.I do have compelling arguments but they are lost on you and you want to split hairs instead. And you are legitimately dim and callous - you don't understand that the girl is not responsible for the behaviour of the bullies. You don't understand that sex and exhibitionism is pretty normal, and doesn't deserve punishment. | /r/MensRights | 24/08/13 10:29 PM |
| 1 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.You don't win anything by being dim and callous, unless the goal is to be dim and callous. | /r/MensRights | 24/08/13 10:25 PM |
| 1 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.You aren't bright enough to see you are saying that giving a blow job at a concert deserves punishment and the girl got what she deserved. You aren't bright enough to see you are committing the logical fallacies that feminists attribute to "rape culture". | /r/MensRights | 24/08/13 10:23 PM |
| 1 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.You aren't bright enough for this, you're dim and callous. | /r/MensRights | 24/08/13 10:13 PM |
| 1 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.Yes we know bullying happens, but you aren't bright enough to see that the girl isn't responsible for the infantile and cruel behaviour of the bullies. You make the logical fallacy that the feminists call victim blaming. | /r/MensRights | 24/08/13 10:11 PM |
| 1 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.Responsibility, apparently this Slanegirl doesn't understand it. You aren't bright enough to see that she didn't bully and shame herself and that she is not responsible for the bad behaviour of others. You are committing the logical fallacy that the feminists call "victim blaming". | /r/MensRights | 24/08/13 10:09 PM |
| 1 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.Not interested in splinting hairs over the relatively inconsequential. You aren't bright enough to understand that someone's mental health was negativity impacted through being targeted with infantile, online sexual shaming and that they didn't actually do it to themselves. We aren't going to see eye to eye here at all. | /r/MensRights | 24/08/13 10:02 PM |
| 1 | My thoughts on "It was rape because I was drunk".I said it was similar, not identical. As I said, in contract law - intoxication can void the contract. The law is somewhat sympathetic to people that enter into agreements while under the influence. Intoxicated persons A contract made by an intoxicated person is voidable. When a person is inebriated at the time of entering into a contract with another and subsequently becomes sober and either promises to perform the contract or fails to disaffirm it within a reasonable time after becoming sober,… | /r/MensRights | 24/08/13 09:17 PM |
| 3 | My thoughts on "It was rape because I was drunk".No I'm not. I'm simply pointing out wonky analogies and similarities to contract law. | /r/MensRights | 24/08/13 08:38 PM |
| 1 | My thoughts on "It was rape because I was drunk".Right, you are showing us that its similar to feminist positions on sexual contracts. They want to make it easy for someone that feels they have been tricked or taken advantage of to get a conviction. | /r/MensRights | 24/08/13 08:36 PM |
| 1 | My thoughts on "It was rape because I was drunk".None the less, I wasn't making things up when I explained that contract law works in a similar way to the way they are trying to make sexual consent laws work regarding intoxication. | /r/MensRights | 24/08/13 08:31 PM |
| 2 | My thoughts on "It was rape because I was drunk".My explaining what their intent is, is not the same as my supporting these things. | /r/MensRights | 24/08/13 08:29 PM |
| 0 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.I never said that tube wasn't full of videos of idiots acting crazy at parties and getting shamed. The bullying was loosely organised, with people setting up twitter accounts for the specific purpose of it. It was sexually immature people, being cruel and hypocritical leading to extreme mental pain in one individual. | /r/MensRights | 24/08/13 07:31 PM |
| 0 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.I'm not trolling, I'm explaining to a sarcastic, and apparent sexual infant that the bullying and shaming was a dysfunctional and infantile reaction rooted in double standards, sexual repression, lynch mob mentality and sexual immaturity, to the girl giving the guy a blow job. | /r/MensRights | 24/08/13 07:27 PM |
| 1 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.I never said that pointing out that its dysfunctional would make it stop in the first place. | /r/MensRights | 24/08/13 07:25 PM |
| 3 | My thoughts on "It was rape because I was drunk".Ah ok, sorry about that. | /r/MensRights | 24/08/13 06:27 PM |
| 2 | My thoughts on "It was rape because I was drunk".No, I'm straightening out your analogies. The criminal driver and the alleged date rapist work as analogies for each other, someone alleging they were date raped while under the influence and someone that commits the crime of drunk driving don't really work as analogies. | /r/MensRights | 24/08/13 06:10 PM |
| 0 | My thoughts on "It was rape because I was drunk".Why would I make stuff up? What I'm doing objecting the the stuff that is being made up here. http://www.lawqa.com/qa/is-contract-still-valid-if-it-was-signed-under-influence-of-alcohol | /r/MensRights | 24/08/13 05:43 PM |
| 2 | My thoughts on "It was rape because I was drunk".I never said I was good, I was just pointing out the purpose of it. | /r/MensRights | 24/08/13 05:40 PM |
| 1 | My thoughts on "It was rape because I was drunk".You have changed the roles. Yes, the person failing to get consent or violating it and the person that decides to drink and drive are both commuting a crime, these are comparable. The person consenting to the agreement (contracting) while under the influence, is not committing a crime unlike the person that is choosing to drink and drive. | /r/MensRights | 24/08/13 05:37 PM |
| 0 | My thoughts on "It was rape because I was drunk".They are legally binding until you go to court and prove your case that you were under the influence. | /r/MensRights | 24/08/13 05:34 PM |
| 1 | My thoughts on "It was rape because I was drunk".Yes, consenting to sex is still not a crime against the state. | /r/MensRights | 24/08/13 05:05 PM |
| 2 | My thoughts on "It was rape because I was drunk".Drunk driving is a crime against the state. Consenting while drunk isn't a crime. They are modelling these laws on contract laws, not drunk driving laws. So the analogy is poor. To disregard all responsibility of decision making based on a person's willfully inebriated state is folly, it is implying that everyone who gets drunk is a "black out drunk". Nope, its implying that they want the law to be flexible enough to increases the rate of prosecutions of date rape. We, as a movement don't even u… | /r/MensRights | 24/08/13 04:30 PM |
| -1 | My thoughts on "It was rape because I was drunk".Depends, if the contract party and the contract involved something that was considered an assault or sex crime or destroyed the life of the signer in some way, quite possibly. | /r/MensRights | 24/08/13 01:27 PM |
| -5 | My thoughts on "It was rape because I was drunk".That analogy doesn't work, agreeing to have sex with someone isn't the commission of a crime. A better one would be signing contracts, and the law is sympathetic to people that signed contracts while under the influence, particularly when the party getting them to sign knew they were under the influence. Before anyone calls me a feminist or a troll for this, I'm simply pointing out facts. edit, look Im being thumbed down for pointing out facts, we are turning into group thinkers. | /r/MensRights | 24/08/13 12:36 PM |
| 0 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.Sure it does, but its not really a big deal, just people partying and getting a little "crazy", and it doesn't mean that an organised, mass bullying and shaming campaign is the normal response, or that the girl somehow deserved it and sacrificed sympathy - that was just an outcome of double standards, sexual immaturity, sexual repression and a lynch mob mentality. | /r/MensRights | 24/08/13 10:20 AM |
| 1 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.I never said that pointing that rather than being normal, it dysfunctional and is connected to all kind of social and mental problems makes bullying stop. | /r/MensRights | 24/08/13 10:18 AM |
| 0 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.Where did I say that? | /r/MensRights | 24/08/13 10:16 AM |
| 0 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.You are working off the incorrect assumption that bullying and shaming about sexual behaviour isn't dysfunctional behaviour. | /r/MensRights | 24/08/13 01:01 AM |
| 1 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.So you are saying that in that case the bullies and shamers are wrong, and in the other case the bullies and shamers are right. Has it occurred to you that shaming and bullying is dysfunctional behaviour that leads to all kinds of social and mental problems? | /r/MensRights | 24/08/13 01:00 AM |
| 0 | Feminists at Sydney Uni publish pictures of their "vaginas" on cover of student mag because, you know, patriarchy.Lets say I mixed you up with someone else, and you wouldn't support a similar campaign to deal with men's body issues. Can you have a stab at answering the criticism of your inane post? Your post is a waste of space, who cares if feminists have a campaign to make women more comfortable about their bodies? | /r/MensRights | 24/08/13 12:55 AM |
| 1 | Feminists at Sydney Uni publish pictures of their "vaginas" on cover of student mag because, you know, patriarchy.Ah, an attempt at shaming. How about you have a bash at responding to the criticism of your inane post instead of aping the feminists? | /r/MensRights | 24/08/13 12:31 AM |
| 1 | Girl gives guys oral at concert. After the pictures appear online claims rape, people consider her a victim.She is the victim of a bullying and shaming campaign by the sexually repressed and immature. Its residual catholic sexual repression that caused those people to behave like that. | /r/MensRights | 24/08/13 12:28 AM |
| 0 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.Well you do seem to have a lot of confusion about sexuality. A girl is bullied for shamed for sexual behaviour, and must take responsibility for her actions? You think that it's normal to abuse people for preforming sex acts and they are to blame for the abuse they receive? WTF? | /r/MensRights | 24/08/13 12:08 AM |
| 0 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.Are you saying you believe that when someone shames and bullies you maliciously, you are really doing it to yourself and you are wrong to blame the bullies and shamers for their own dysfunctional behaviour? You are very mixed up. | /r/MensRights | 24/08/13 12:01 AM |
| 0 | Feminists at Sydney Uni publish pictures of their "vaginas" on cover of student mag because, you know, patriarchy.says he who hasn't really responded to any of the points brought up about his inane post. | /r/MensRights | 23/08/13 11:59 PM |
| 1 | Girl gives guys oral at concert. After the pictures appear online claims rape, people consider her a victim.I know that. There are plenty of people here that think its normal to bully and shame the girl, its not rational. | /r/MensRights | 23/08/13 11:56 PM |
| 1 | Girl gives guys oral at concert. After the pictures appear online claims rape, people consider her a victim.There is an edit too. | /r/MensRights | 23/08/13 07:32 PM |
| 1 | Girl gives guys oral at concert. After the pictures appear online claims rape, people consider her a victim.I would see the context as different and no I don't think that he should be the target of mass social media bullying and shaming campaign, nor do I think that masturbation is shameful. In the irish case, the woman was unfairly singled out for bullying and shaming, while the guy was lauded as a sort of hero. Irish sexual immaturity and inhibition has a lot to do with the reaction. We are still haunted by catholic sexual repression where sex is seen as something dirty. | /r/MensRights | 23/08/13 07:26 PM |
| 0 | What do y'all think of this? I'm pretty torn. College magazine front page pulped over this unbelievable cover (NSFW). (x-post from /r/wtf)Yeah, the No Seriously What about the Menz blog praise for a website that does the same thing with penis' and the Good Men Projects doing the same thing. Do you have any proof or corroborating evidence that would support the nonsensical idea that feminists wouldn't support such a thing? Granted, many would use a "women have body issues worse argument". | /r/MensRights | 23/08/13 07:20 PM |
| -5 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.You are sexually confused or have a very dim view of the culture if you think that sexual exhibitionism and running around in x gangland area shouting racist threats at the locals are analogous. It might work as a good analogy, in somewhere warped like Saudi where the people are very sexually repressed and might see the act as insulting to their god. You are engaging in actual "victim blaming", not some SJWs abuse of the term. | /r/MensRights | 23/08/13 07:17 PM |
| 2 | Girl gives guys oral at concert. After the pictures appear online claims rape, people consider her a victim.I don't believe that bullying and shaming is healthy behaviour in the first place. If you believe that sexual exhibitionists warrant ridicule and bullying, you probably have some sexual dysfunction and sexual shame yourself. | /r/MensRights | 23/08/13 06:17 PM |
| -5 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.You brain is malfunctioning. Performing a sex act does not all equate to "run(ing) through a gang-dominated area screaming about how all black people should be hung... while wearing a kkk outfit." | /r/MensRights | 23/08/13 06:15 PM |
| 1 | “What Do You Do When A Girl Hits You?” -- Good Men ProjectA Voice for Men is very open to contributors. | /r/MensRights | 23/08/13 06:11 PM |
| 2 | Girl gives guys oral at concert. After the pictures appear online claims rape, people consider her a victim.There is something that doesn't add up here. A young girl, who is apparently comfortable enough with her sexuality to perform public sex acts, and who is obviously an exhibitionist - is suddenly hyper-sensitive and vulnerable to public judgment and criticism? No? Yes? Hypersensitive to an organised bullying and shaming (one of the most painful human emotions) campaign in a small, close knit country. Just because you are exhibitionist /youngster that drank too much, doesn't mean that you should h… | /r/MensRights | 23/08/13 06:08 PM |
| 2 | Girl gives guys oral at concert. After the pictures appear online claims rape, people consider her a victim.Not true, I have a human mind and I'm not believing that fallacy. There are plenty of people out there that don't think that sympathy for her is negated. | /r/MensRights | 23/08/13 06:05 PM |
| -8 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.So she should be held responsible for the bullying and shaming? The issue isn't that the tape when out, the issue is the organised bullying and shaming, which she is not responsible for. | /r/MensRights | 23/08/13 06:01 PM |
| -5 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.Sure if that happens he should get sympathy too, but the problem in the first place has been caused by double standards and the immature and nasty bullying and shaming campaign that resulted in her being hospitalized. She is the one that has been harassed and publicly branded a sexual deviant. | /r/MensRights | 23/08/13 04:37 PM |
| 2 | Girl gives guys oral at concert. After the pictures appear online claims rape, people consider her a victim.So you believe that she deserves less sympathy because you think she brought the bullying it on herself. | /r/MensRights | 23/08/13 04:35 PM |
| 1 | “What Do You Do When A Girl Hits You?” -- Good Men ProjectSorry about the hostility :) | /r/MensRights | 23/08/13 04:01 PM |
| 0 | Girl gives guys oral at concert. After the pictures appear online claims rape, people consider her a victim.If you don't believe she deserved it in some way, how do you figure she deserves less sympathy? | /r/MensRights | 23/08/13 03:38 PM |
| 2 | Girl gives guys oral at concert. After the pictures appear online claims rape, people consider her a victim.Your belief that she deserves less sympathy or is somehow less of a victim because you think organised bullying and shaming campaign is the obvious response is irrelevant. It doesn't make her any more or less the victim of a cruel bullying and shaming campaign. | /r/MensRights | 23/08/13 03:35 PM |
| 1 | Girl gives guys oral at concert. After the pictures appear online claims rape, people consider her a victim.Your feeling that she sort of got what she deserved and is to blame for the bullying campaign, doesn't make her any less of a victim of a bullying / shaming campaign in the situation. That's just a faulty logic called "victim blaming". And I was initially responding to the OPs thread, in which they seem to be confused as to why the girl would be considered a victim. | /r/MensRights | 23/08/13 03:19 PM |
| 0 | Girl gives guys oral at concert. After the pictures appear online claims rape, people consider her a victim.So? Your thinking that its normal for an organized bullying and shaming campaign to be run against her and not him, doesn't all of sudden make them equally victimized by the bullying, or her not victimized by the bullying. | /r/MensRights | 23/08/13 03:04 PM |
| 1 | “What Do You Do When A Girl Hits You?” -- Good Men ProjectI've deleted it. | /r/MensRights | 23/08/13 03:02 PM |
| 4 | Girl gives guys oral at concert. After the pictures appear online claims rape, people consider her a victim.So, the OP has some issue with people considering her the victim of the pair. She is the only one that is being publicly bullied, humiliated and sexually shamed and then was hospitalized due the stress of an organized, on line bullying and shaming campaign, while he was lauded as a some kind of hero. Long story short, she is the victim of the story. | /r/MensRights | 23/08/13 02:50 PM |
| 1 | If feminism refers to porn and stripping as exploitation of female physical qualities, then why isn't professional sports an exploitation of male physical qualities?Who said they are or aren't? | /r/MensRights | 23/08/13 02:37 PM |
| -4 | Girl gives guys oral at concert. After the pictures appear online claims rape, people consider her a victim.She was publicly bullied, ridiculed and shamed, then she was hospitalized and sedated because of the bullying ... she is a victim of bullying. This forum is getting dumber by the day. | /r/MensRights | 23/08/13 02:24 PM |
| -17 | "Slane girl" video of girl + boy sex goes viral. Google "slane girl double standard." Most sites show boy face + hide girl face + claim anti-WOMAN sexism.The guy isn't the one sedated and hospitalized after being bullied, ridiculed and shamed though, is he? | /r/MensRights | 23/08/13 02:09 PM |
| 0 | Feminists at Sydney Uni publish pictures of their "vaginas" on cover of student mag because, you know, patriarchy.Yep, what you're doing is exactly the same thing that the feminists do. | /r/MensRights | 23/08/13 02:08 PM |
| 8 | Hi. People on this site seem to talk about feminists a lot, but..are the most frequent victims of domestic violence This is one of the major issues with feminism, the way domestic violence has been lied about to the public, government and follower type feminist. What the more reliable data is saying is that women initiate most of the reciprocal domestic violence and that 70% of non reciprocal domestic violence is female on male. Women are also the primary child abusers - so most family violence is female in origin. Feel free to browse /r/mensrightslinks | /r/MensRights | 23/08/13 10:24 AM |
| -7 | “What Do You Do When A Girl Hits You?” -- Good Men ProjectThere isn't any point in advancing unprovable conspiracy theories. Did you hear that NOW donated 5 mil, in seed money? NOW isn't on the published list of investors. | /r/MensRights | 23/08/13 09:50 AM |
| 4 | “What Do You Do When A Girl Hits You?” -- Good Men ProjectWe have some papers about the origins of those laws there. By the way, Noah Brand has published an article on the good men project denying that these problems exist. http://www.reddit.com/r/mensrightslinks/comments/s7tuj/legalpapershe_hit_me_too_identifying_the_primary/ | /r/MensRights | 23/08/13 09:46 AM |
| 1 | “What Do You Do When A Girl Hits You?” -- Good Men ProjectWe don't support the good men project with clicks here. | /r/MensRights | 23/08/13 09:36 AM |
| 0 | Feminists at Sydney Uni publish pictures of their "vaginas" on cover of student mag because, you know, patriarchy.So like with the feminists, disagreement is trolling. Would I be a legitimate mra if said "OMFG, that's exactly the same thing as a man was flashing at people!!!11!!?" Such obvious tactics as claiming i did something i didn't and refusing to give evidence are an insult to one's intelligence Like the feminists, you paint the worst possible motivations. Ok,I might have confused you with someone else, and I'm not bothered to scroll to may 2012 in your history. I'm pretty sure I was you I had that c… | /r/MensRights | 23/08/13 09:09 AM |
| 1 | What do y'all think of this? I'm pretty torn. College magazine front page pulped over this unbelievable cover (NSFW). (x-post from /r/wtf)I'm pretty sure feminists would be for non sexualized, taboo debunking, body challenging images of male bodies. | /r/MensRights | 23/08/13 08:48 AM |
| 2 | So I decided to go and see what's the deal with SRS...That's exactly what happened, the whole thing was set up from Something Awful forums. | /r/MensRights | 22/08/13 10:01 PM |
| 2 | What do y'all think of this? I'm pretty torn. College magazine front page pulped over this unbelievable cover (NSFW). (x-post from /r/wtf)Whoops. Ok. So do you think there is some sex criminality involved in these pictures? I cant imagine men being punished for pictures in the same context. | /r/MensRights | 22/08/13 07:30 PM |
| 1 | Feminists at Sydney Uni publish pictures of their "vaginas" on cover of student mag because, you know, patriarchy.So you don't believe that non sexualized and sexualized imagery are different in context for example, a medical book and porn ... and my belief that there is a difference in context is really just an opinion I hold. So are you saying that having a different opinion is "trolling"? We are moving into feminist / religious territory. | /r/MensRights | 22/08/13 07:23 PM |
| 1 | Feminists at Sydney Uni publish pictures of their "vaginas" on cover of student mag because, you know, patriarchy.Yes very good, I used two different words. So do you remember you were posting in support of the article? You might remember I said to you that he might be better off promoting healthier living than creating feminist style acceptance. Anyhow, getting all bothered because people want to make people less self-conscious and painting it as terrible ... what are we, Manboobz? | /r/MensRights | 22/08/13 07:19 PM |
| 2 | Feminists at Sydney Uni publish pictures of their "vaginas" on cover of student mag because, you know, patriarchy.The article said its about making female people feel less self conscious about their bodies ... hardly an issue for us to get all bothered about, surely? | /r/MensRights | 22/08/13 06:58 PM |
| 3 | Feminists at Sydney Uni publish pictures of their "vaginas" on cover of student mag because, you know, patriarchy.You don't recall being interested in the GMP article that was republished in an Australian news paper about the larger guy that posed nude in order to deal with male body issues ? We should pick our battles, this is a non issue for us. | /r/MensRights | 22/08/13 06:55 PM |
| 5 | What do y'all think of this? I'm pretty torn. College magazine front page pulped over this unbelievable cover (NSFW). (x-post from /r/wtf)You seem to be under the impression that these pictures are the same thing as flashing or pictures presented in a sexual way, is that right? | /r/MensRights | 22/08/13 06:26 PM |
| 3 | What do y'all think of this? I'm pretty torn. College magazine front page pulped over this unbelievable cover (NSFW). (x-post from /r/wtf)I doubt that men are punished for similar, the good men project wasn't for doing something almost identical, medical books aren't. I think you are confusing these pictures with porn or flashing. I bet you cannot find one example of a feminist objecting to non sexualized images of penises that are being presented in order to make people feel more comfortable in themselves. | /r/MensRights | 22/08/13 06:22 PM |
| 4 | So I decided to go and see what's the deal with SRS...SRS was started as a poe trolling operation. | /r/MensRights | 22/08/13 06:10 PM |
| -8 | Feminists at Sydney Uni publish pictures of their "vaginas" on cover of student mag because, you know, patriarchy.Ah ok, like the feminist forums, pointing out facts is "trolling". | /r/MensRights | 22/08/13 03:31 PM |
| -3 | Feminists at Sydney Uni publish pictures of their "vaginas" on cover of student mag because, you know, patriarchy.Unless we find feminists objecting un sexualized pictures of penises, or male bodies with the intent of easing insecurity, he is not pointing out feminist hypocrisy. | /r/MensRights | 22/08/13 03:25 PM |
| -9 | Feminists at Sydney Uni publish pictures of their "vaginas" on cover of student mag because, you know, patriarchy.Isn't this the equivalent of mailing everyone at school a dick pic? Only in black and white land. One obvious difference is similar to the difference between a medical anatomy book showing a vagina, and a pornographic picture of a pussy. One is intended sexually and the other isn't. | /r/MensRights | 22/08/13 03:08 PM |
| 8 | Feminists at Sydney Uni publish pictures of their "vaginas" on cover of student mag because, you know, patriarchy.This is a misleading headline, the stated purpose was to make "women feel better about their own bodies". I remember you supported a similar idea when it was done on the good men project. | /r/MensRights | 22/08/13 02:39 PM |
| 1 | Women are naturally hypergamous?The claim was that womens sexuality was curtailed by men, to stop their hypergamy. | /r/MensRights | 21/08/13 09:03 PM |
| 2 | Was I seriously just BANNED from /r/SRSDiscussion for this!?!?!? What the...Not sure that there is going to be much interest in this - mra's have been getting banned in feminists areas for as long as gender debate has been online. edit - nice post though. | /r/MensRights | 21/08/13 08:25 PM |
| 2 | Women are naturally hypergamous?YW. There is a similar one about the origins of pair bonding in /r/mensrightslinks, which also contradicts red pill ideology. | /r/MensRights | 21/08/13 05:47 PM |
| -1 | Women are naturally hypergamous?Men and women are attracted to confident people and chose the best genes available to them. Marriage and other restrictions on women's sexuality were meant to control female hypergamy and protect men from women's natural unfaithfulness; feminism, on the other hand, by freeing women from society's sexual restrictions, allows them to give free rein to their instincts and cheat without consequence. Red Pill types generally talk a lot of unsupported horse shit. Here is actual research on the cultura… | /r/MensRights | 21/08/13 05:21 PM |
| -1 | Dr Phil under attack for 'misogynist tweet' which merely contained the question "Is it ok to have sex with a drunk woman?"Who do you mean by "they"? Replacement migrants serve as sort of a stop gap, what we will (probably) eventually see is Russian style polices to combat aging population - family values, some restrictions on abortions etc, if that works for them. But for cultures in the brink of the sort of technology we are, replacement isn't going to be much of an issue in the future. | /r/MensRights | 21/08/13 02:29 PM |
| 0 | I was asked why I insist on using the word "egalitarian" to describe myself and why I disliked calling myself a feminist instead, this was how I responded. Opinions? (bit of a wall of text)I think you are wasting your time debating with those people. | /r/MensRights | 21/08/13 01:55 PM |
| 1 | Dr Phil under attack for 'misogynist tweet' which merely contained the question "Is it ok to have sex with a drunk woman?"For Western Culture it actually is, since many western societies are facing the problems associated with an aging population. Western culture is on the brink of solving aging and disease, gaining the ability to grow humans in labs and build useful robots. As well as that, there is no shortage of replacement migrants. | /r/MensRights | 21/08/13 11:52 AM |
| 2 | Dr Phil under attack for 'misogynist tweet' which merely contained the question "Is it ok to have sex with a drunk woman?"This is a manufactured drama, IMO. | /r/MensRights | 21/08/13 11:49 AM |
| 14 | What do MRAs want?Those are links to ignorant radfem manhaters ... its like going to /r/theredpill and asking about feminism. | /r/MensRights | 21/08/13 08:53 AM |
| 2 | A Brief History of the Ridiculous Arguments Against the Men's Rights MovementAh, I'd consider those more part of the srs in joke trolling culture than I would feminism. | /r/MensRights | 20/08/13 04:22 PM |
| 4 | A Brief History of the Ridiculous Arguments Against the Men's Rights MovementI'd add - Small penis, must by gay, can't get laid, live in your mothers basement. | /r/MensRights | 20/08/13 01:19 PM |
| 4 | Something happened in /r/Feminism that has turned me to the MRM for good.Yeah, thats what I'm talking about ... I put it there in the vain hope that it would in some way get this forum to stop the endless nonsense about what women wear. Why are we having weekly posts about what women wear and rape prevention tips, for years now? | /r/MensRights | 19/08/13 08:41 PM |
| 1 | Something happened in /r/Feminism that has turned me to the MRM for good.Thats why they have /r/askfeminists - because /r/feminism, being a small sub was being swamped with contradicting arguments and questions. | /r/MensRights | 19/08/13 07:57 PM |
| 1 | Something happened in /r/Feminism that has turned me to the MRM for good.Cool bananas :) | /r/MensRights | 19/08/13 07:56 PM |
| 2 | Something happened in /r/Feminism that has turned me to the MRM for good.He was talking about what the victim blaming thing is based in You assumed that the vastly overused "victim blaming" meme was based on anything logical to begin with. It's a way to be totally absolved of all personal responsibility based on how they WANT the world to be. Its silly, treat it as so. Which is this http://www.ibiblio.org/rcip/selfblameresearch.html He doesn't know what hes talking about, none of us do when it comes to this topic, we just have pretty much the same tread about it once… | /r/MensRights | 19/08/13 07:54 PM |
| 7 | My University is making all incoming Freshman take a sexual assault education course. This is a screenshot from it. Seems that /r/MensRights is making progress.Yep. | /r/MensRights | 19/08/13 07:44 PM |
| 7 | My University is making all incoming Freshman take a sexual assault education course. This is a screenshot from it. Seems that /r/MensRights is making progress.That's the stat that Rainn uses. | /r/MensRights | 19/08/13 06:42 PM |
| 1 | Help remembering a coined word to describe shutting down a debate or discussion with rhetoric.I think there might a word that describes it too though ... | /r/MensRights | 19/08/13 06:33 PM |
| 10 | Help remembering a coined word to describe shutting down a debate or discussion with rhetoric.Thought terminating cliche? | /r/MensRights | 19/08/13 06:19 PM |
| 1 | Something happened in /r/Feminism that has turned me to the MRM for good.Relevant http://www.ibiblio.org/rcip/selfblameresearch.html | /r/MensRights | 19/08/13 06:15 PM |
| -4 | Something happened in /r/Feminism that has turned me to the MRM for good.You advocate that they assume all men are potential rapists? Their logic baffles me. Then why not find out what its about? Why can't we as a movement do that instead of just collectively going "OMFG I'm baffled!" For example, this is a large part of it http://www.ibiblio.org/rcip/selfblameresearch.html as well as that just like the traffic authority, they don't want people giving out misleading and bad information, as well as that the advice is patronizing advice that everyone, especially women … | /r/MensRights | 19/08/13 06:11 PM |
| 2 | Something happened in /r/Feminism that has turned me to the MRM for good.Can you articulate what its actually about? This It's a way to be totally absolved of all personal responsibility based on how they WANT the world to be is just an incorrect guess. | /r/MensRights | 19/08/13 06:07 PM |
| 4 | Something happened in /r/Feminism that has turned me to the MRM for good.There is one in /r/mensrightslinks to that effect. Its a common mistake for non rapist men to assume that rapists are noticing the same women they are, but in reality predators are often looking for vulnerable loners, and not the brassy center of attention. Anyhow, we not a rape prevention organisation, I don't know why this forum wants to act like on so often. | /r/MensRights | 19/08/13 05:28 PM |
| 4 | Something happened in /r/Feminism that has turned me to the MRM for good.We aren't a rape prevention organization you know. | /r/MensRights | 19/08/13 01:43 PM |
| 1 | Men Don't Have to be Afraid. A sentiment I often see from the feminist camp is that men don’t have to be afraid in public like women do of being attacked....Its wrong to say to cyclists that were deliberately run over by criminal drivers, most that were wearing helmets and some that weren't that they can avoid being deliberately run over by criminal drivers by not being idiots and wearing helmets. Road workers wear safety vests because they work in a high risk environment / culture don't they? You are making the feminists argument for them. EDITED a word | /r/MensRights | 19/08/13 01:38 PM |
| -1 | Men Don't Have to be Afraid. A sentiment I often see from the feminist camp is that men don’t have to be afraid in public like women do of being attacked....Point remains, women are told from a young age that they must do all these things including dressing on a daily basis with rapists in mind, which is paranoia, hysteria inducing and misleading because rape doesn't happen the way these tips suppose it does. And the cop basically said something that wasn't true and that women bring rape on themselves by dressing like sluts. Its total nonsense given that people are raped wearing all kinds of things and the hot center of attention girl presents a mor… | /r/MensRights | 19/08/13 11:42 AM |
| 0 | In TV Sitcoms, Dads are Bumbling, and Moms are Assertive. Yet this is Never Spoken About...Weird that we got down voted, perhaps I should have said feminists were responsible ... | /r/MensRights | 18/08/13 09:20 PM |
| 2 | In TV Sitcoms, Dads are Bumbling, and Moms are Assertive. Yet this is Never Spoken About...Blame Edward Bernays, women putting one over on men helps sell products, apparently. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays | /r/MensRights | 18/08/13 08:22 PM |
| -2 | Men Don't Have to be Afraid. A sentiment I often see from the feminist camp is that men don’t have to be afraid in public like women do of being attacked....I'm assuming that the cops advise applied to dressing on a daily basis and not just once. Women are given that sort of advice growing up too. Why are you assuming I'm a woman? | /r/MensRights | 18/08/13 07:07 PM |
| -4 | Men Don't Have to be Afraid. A sentiment I often see from the feminist camp is that men don’t have to be afraid in public like women do of being attacked....If you were told to wear protective clothing from drowning/electrocution/hot oil burns/mugging on a daily basis it would be safe to assume you were in a water/electricity/oil mining/crime related job / culture. Careful, you are making their argument for them. | /r/MensRights | 18/08/13 06:45 PM |
| 2 | What do feminists say when women violate a man and his personal space?I think there may be a bit of a miscommunication here. To confirm your stance is more of analyzing the individual, sorta that woman are programmed to essentially fear rape around every corner, that what they wear will make rapists jump out of bushes and attack them, and as a result no one can deny that they have this fear sorta always hanging around them, correct? Right. This is the paranoia that Shrodingers rapist describes. | /r/MensRights | 18/08/13 06:41 PM |
| 1 | What do feminists say when women violate a man and his personal space?That's not what I said. If they are paranoid because since a young age they have been told to wear anti rape clothing and all this other stuff, the paranoia is legitimately there. | /r/MensRights | 18/08/13 05:46 PM |
| -8 | Men Don't Have to be Afraid. A sentiment I often see from the feminist camp is that men don’t have to be afraid in public like women do of being attacked....I think you are missing a large point, rape isn't a case of a woman dressing "like a slut" and then rapists jumping out. Sure, a % of women that are raped must have been dressed what some would consider "like a slut" by the law of averages, but they would make up a minority. That's pretty fucked up what happened to you, you should be pissed off. Your argument because it happened to you, other people should let it happen to them ... doesn't make a lot sense to me. | /r/MensRights | 18/08/13 05:18 PM |
| 2 | What do feminists say when women violate a man and his personal space?Well, if the paranoia and hysteria is programmed into them with "dont wear x because rapists jump out" etc, it is legitimately there. They are brought up with traditionalist rape paranoia and traditional depiction of the culture as one where for example wearing the wrong clothes can make rapists jump out, then they join up to fight against it. | /r/MensRights | 18/08/13 04:41 PM |
| -12 | Men Don't Have to be Afraid. A sentiment I often see from the feminist camp is that men don’t have to be afraid in public like women do of being attacked....Yeah, he basically said women bring rape on themselves by looking like sluts. Its pretty understandable that people would object to that. | /r/MensRights | 18/08/13 04:24 PM |
| -9 | Men Don't Have to be Afraid. A sentiment I often see from the feminist camp is that men don’t have to be afraid in public like women do of being attacked....For sure it is one dimensional. Never the less, they are the gender that are told the wrong clothes can make rapists jump out, always use the buddy system because of rapists, don't be somewhere after dark because of rapists, all ways be monitoring your drink because of rapists - hence the claim that they live in a rape culture. | /r/MensRights | 18/08/13 04:23 PM |
| 1 | Men Don't Have to be Afraid. A sentiment I often see from the feminist camp is that men don’t have to be afraid in public like women do of being attacked....Schroedinger's rapist describes the paranoid mindset that the more traditional rape hysteria puts women in. | /r/MensRights | 18/08/13 04:18 PM |
| -12 | Men Don't Have to be Afraid. A sentiment I often see from the feminist camp is that men don’t have to be afraid in public like women do of being attacked....The slut walk happened because because a cop basically said women bring rape on themselves with their clothes. | /r/MensRights | 18/08/13 04:15 PM |
| -13 | Men Don't Have to be Afraid. A sentiment I often see from the feminist camp is that men don’t have to be afraid in public like women do of being attacked....Yeah men and women get reasonable advice about high crime cultures, but women are taught they should do basic every day things like dress with rapists in mind, in the general culture. | /r/MensRights | 18/08/13 03:48 PM |
| 3 | What do feminists say when women violate a man and his personal space?Well, Shrodingers rapist talks about the paranoia that traditional rape fear mongering / prevention tips creates - according to one interpretation of it anyway. | /r/MensRights | 18/08/13 03:36 PM |
| -17 | Men Don't Have to be Afraid. A sentiment I often see from the feminist camp is that men don’t have to be afraid in public like women do of being attacked....Men don't get the whole "better not wear x in general society because Schroedingers rapist" type of programming. Our Schroedinger mugger warnings applies only in certain situations. Rape is very common, it happens in dark streets all the time and it's the worst crime that one can suffer. Repeat it until it becomes a truth. You don't know what you're taking about, they argue that they idea that rape is generally strangers jumping out on dark streets is largely a myth and rapes more often happen i… | /r/MensRights | 18/08/13 03:31 PM |
| -7 | Men Don't Have to be Afraid. A sentiment I often see from the feminist camp is that men don’t have to be afraid in public like women do of being attacked....There is an element of truth in it, traditionally women are taught from a early enough age that wearing the wrong clothes can make rape jump out, and that they should use the buddy system, always be watching their drinks for spikes (even though this is pretty much an urbane myth), etc in general society. So, even though there is less risk for women out there, they receive a more hysteria and paranoia inducing "situational awareness" programming than men do, that shrodinger's rapist thing goes in… | /r/MensRights | 18/08/13 01:26 PM |
| 3 | What do feminists say when women violate a man and his personal space?I'll hazard a few guesses. If one was arguing it was different in some way they might say women are brought up to to be paranoid about rape so a woman in the same situation would be more frightened. a woman in that situation would be more intimidated because she could more easily be over powered. and that sort of thing. All would probably agree that the behaviour isn't right ... | /r/MensRights | 18/08/13 10:35 AM |
| 3 | What do feminists say when women violate a man and his personal space?Try /r/askfeminists? | /r/MensRights | 18/08/13 09:33 AM |
| 4 | Colleges are becoming more open to Male Sexual AssaultDon't on campus feminist groups as opposed to colleges run all that stuff? | /r/MensRights | 17/08/13 05:04 PM |
| 1 | Rape is not 'normalized': expert says the vast majority of men would never commit rapeWait a second, if I explain that "men can stop rape" is about getting people (men) to intervene, it doesn't automatically mean that I believe that's what should happen. I'm only explaining because other mra's here didn't know that its about that, even though we should because as we go on and on about this rape culture shit. shitthatneverhappens.txt. Please show me where MRA's are "going on with nonsense about women dressing like sluts". I remember you and I had a long bitter argument on /r/mascu… | /r/MensRights | 16/08/13 08:48 AM |
| 1 | Drama Queens at AVFM on their fourth? fifth? sixth? attempt at bashing Cathy Young over one sentence she wrote? No, AVFM isn't a bunch of overly dramatic haters.So what if they are trying to bait her into responding to elevate themselves, alls fair in love and war. You seem like a bit of a drama queen yourself. | /r/MensRights | 15/08/13 11:51 PM |
| 1 | Drama Queens at AVFM on their fourth? fifth? sixth? attempt at bashing Cathy Young over one sentence she wrote? No, AVFM isn't a bunch of overly dramatic haters./Irony | /r/MensRights | 15/08/13 11:49 PM |
| 1 | "We can be victims, too!"As I keep saying, Im not providing examples to you personally because you dismiss evidence and cannot seem to conceptualise mra's being wrong. Its like talking to an srs type - dogmatic. I just want you to go away. | /r/MensRights | 15/08/13 11:09 PM |
| 1 | "We can be victims, too!"We do look foolish when we go on and on about something, while getting it wrong and not having an in depth understanding of it and filling in the gaps with unlikely sounding theories. Its pure wheel spinning. Same goes for any group on any topic. Now can you just go away? | /r/MensRights | 15/08/13 10:55 PM |
| 1 | Rape is not 'normalized': expert says the vast majority of men would never commit rapeIf you knew what their reasoning is, you would have articulated it instead of saying that they are saying it makes people go out and rape. One of the reasons is that people that have rape related PTSD injuries can be triggered and expedience mental pain, from hearing people joking about the event that gave them PTSD. The other is that if its treated as a joke, it gives people that rape a certain amount of camouflage and self justification for their own behaviour. Im not anti these jokes, I'm ant… | /r/MensRights | 15/08/13 10:25 PM |
| 1 | "We can be victims, too!"I've already conceded you. This forum is full of people with a working knowledge of their arguments, terminology and so on. As well as that, there are no groupthinkers that view people that have information that contradicts their unlikely theories as outsiders. I can't think of any argument that isn't what I already explained to you. Yes, you walk on the water and mra's are the all seeing eyes. Are you happy yet? edit typos. | /r/MensRights | 15/08/13 08:35 PM |
| 1 | "We can be victims, too!"I concede, you are quite correct, mra's have a great grasp of rape culture and victim blaming arguments, at the level of an actual academic feminist and far beyond a SJW retard, and never advocate for silly things, like teaching women the culture is such, that they should do everyday things like dress with rapists in mind. Beyond that, you can refer to my last response and the twenty or so before that. | /r/MensRights | 15/08/13 08:09 PM |
| 1 | "We can be victims, too!"There is a problem there though - you dismiss evidence that doesn't suit you, will argue bitterly for days when you clearly don't know your topic, drop out the conversation instead of conceding, ask questions in bad faith, believe ridiculous sounding conspiracy theories before reasonable explanations etc ... and I'm saying that I don't want to engage with that. | /r/MensRights | 15/08/13 07:46 PM |
| 1 | "We can be victims, too!"Go away, you are a dogmatic mra. Our answer to SJWs and the manboobz crowd. I don't owe you anything. | /r/MensRights | 15/08/13 07:36 PM |
| 1 | Rape is not 'normalized': expert says the vast majority of men would never commit rapeSuppose you were side swiped by a drunk driver late at night and you life was ruined, and you were left with a PTSD mental injury that caused you to torture yourself over and over "what if Id stayed in, what if id gone down the other street" over and over ... and I'm telling you that you are responsible and if you had have stayed in at night, that never would have happened .. what would be the point in me blaming you for it and telling you that you were responsible, other than my being annoying … | /r/MensRights | 15/08/13 07:29 PM |
| 1 | "We can be victims, too!"You asked for examples of mra's saying something stupid, as if that would be hard and mras can say stupid things, this is the sort of dogmatism that causes you to believe unlikely conspiracy theories before you do more reasonable sounding explanations. | /r/MensRights | 15/08/13 07:20 PM |
| 1 | "We can be victims, too!"Are you going to provide examples of what MRAs say that are stupid? Who do you think we are, the chosen ones that can't say anything stupid? Ya pretend skeptic. | /r/MensRights | 15/08/13 07:13 PM |
| 1 | "We can be victims, too!"Stop telling lies group thinker, just leave it. | /r/MensRights | 15/08/13 07:09 PM |
| 1 | "We can be victims, too!"No, not to you. Just go away. | /r/MensRights | 15/08/13 07:05 PM |
| 1 | Rape is not 'normalized': expert says the vast majority of men would never commit rapeSo,if you are drunk and wearing a t-shirt, and I stab and rape you, you are accountable because you were drunk and showing your arms? So if you leave the house, which increases the chances of you being hit by lighting, you are accountable if you are hit by lightening because you left the house and therefore deserve no sympathy. I'm not saying that men should be expected to be body guards, but Id rather that than your earlier thing, a drunk women on the own sort of had it coming and deserves no s… | /r/MensRights | 15/08/13 07:03 PM |
| 1 | "We can be victims, too!"Go away. | /r/MensRights | 15/08/13 06:07 PM |
| 1 | "We can be victims, too!"As I've said already, Im not interested getting you anything because you ignore evidence when its given to you, or just drop out of the conversation if you realise you are wrong about something. Just accept that I don't want endless arguments with you that we should agree to ignore each other. I'm beginning to see why you think manipulating circumstances to isolate people without their knowledge is normal behaviour. I don't want to speak to you, I don't owe you anything. | /r/MensRights | 15/08/13 05:27 PM |
| 1 | "We can be victims, too!"Please go away. Im not even reading your messages, Im just tying the request that we agree to ignore each other, you group thinking lunatic. | /r/MensRights | 15/08/13 05:07 PM |
| 1 | "We can be victims, too!"Can you go away please. Lets agree to ignore each other. Fuck, you idiot, why can't you just agree that we don't like each other, and agree to ignore each other. | /r/MensRights | 15/08/13 04:34 PM |
| 1 | Rape is not 'normalized': expert says the vast majority of men would never commit rapeAre you sure this isn't just a issue because it is easier to blame good men for not stopping the rape than it is for women to admit responsibility for not being safe enough? So you believe rape is caused by women not being safe enough and they are responsible for their own rapes, wow. The extremist Muslims say similar things, blame women that are gang raped because they went out after 6. | /r/MensRights | 15/08/13 04:11 PM |
| 0 | Rape is not 'normalized': expert says the vast majority of men would never commit rapeNo, I actually know what their terms mean and theories are. Most mra's don't and fill the gaps with conspiracy theories. | /r/MensRights | 15/08/13 04:10 PM |
| 1 | Rape is not 'normalized': expert says the vast majority of men would never commit rapeNo. MRAs have no clue about this "rape culture" thing and the resent having it explained to them. I'm simply trying to stop this forum being less retarded when it comes to "rape culture", if you know what they are on about, you can actually make a counter argument instead of strawmanning. If you think that women should put on protective rape clothes every morning, then you are telling them that the culture is so full of rape, and rapists jump out if they wear the wrong clothes. Do you always wea… | /r/MensRights | 15/08/13 04:06 PM |
| -1 | Rape is not 'normalized': expert says the vast majority of men would never commit rapeYou said with no safety group, so this person is isolated or has been deliberately isolated from their friends. You basically said these person gets whats coming to them (no sympathy), this is the sort of thing they are trying to change. | /r/MensRights | 15/08/13 03:31 PM |
| -1 | Rape is not 'normalized': expert says the vast majority of men would never commit rapeI'm pretty sure that women can understand that basic concept, thats why they find the sort of rape paranoic inducing prevention tipersing that mra's like to give out and they have heard all their lives anyway, patronizing and annoying. | /r/MensRights | 15/08/13 03:30 PM |
| 1 | Rape is not 'normalized': expert says the vast majority of men would never commit rapeRight, a drunk attractive woman, in the general culture, is akin to a wealthy man in a crime culture. So you are teaching this idea that its a rape culture, you just don't know it. | /r/MensRights | 15/08/13 03:28 PM |
| -1 | Rape is not 'normalized': expert says the vast majority of men would never commit rapeYou said yourself of some kid was isolated from their friends after having had too much and got raped you'd have no sympathy. | /r/MensRights | 15/08/13 03:26 PM |
| 1 | "We can be victims, too!"Please go away. Lets agree to ignore each other. | /r/MensRights | 15/08/13 03:25 PM |
| -1 | Rape is not 'normalized': expert says the vast majority of men would never commit rapeFuck, yes that what I said when I said "they are already doing that", then you disagreed and said they weren't, then you said they were. Men can stop rape and bystander theory, is about getting people (men) to spot potential rapes and intervene. | /r/MensRights | 15/08/13 03:11 PM |
| -1 | Rape is not 'normalized': expert says the vast majority of men would never commit rapeYour analogy suggested that you perceive a woman looking attractive in the general culture is the same thing as you wearing a nice suit in a high crime culture. Thats the sort of nonsense that convinces women they live in a "rape culture". | /r/MensRights | 15/08/13 02:59 PM |
| -1 | Rape is not 'normalized': expert says the vast majority of men would never commit rapeYou obviously haven't read about bystander theory or men can stop rape. Wait a sec it seems as though feminists are more interested in advocating men to be the constant guardian of womanhood from a small minority of evil doers is basically to educate people to be on the lookout for these thugs, guys who are escorting very drunk women they barely know out of parties, etc | /r/MensRights | 15/08/13 02:49 PM |
| -1 | Rape is not 'normalized': expert says the vast majority of men would never commit rapeRight. Your analogy uses an unsavory part of town where mugging people and crime is a normal and expected part of the culture. So your analogy says that rape for women is an expected and normal part of the culture. Plus, plus, rape doesn't happen like mugging, where people see revealing clothes and just decide to pounce. Here, I'm going to sound as much of a complete asshole as you do! Yeah, if you get sloshy drunk with no safety group and dress in the t-shirt and end up getting stabbed and rape… | /r/MensRights | 15/08/13 02:43 PM |
| 1 | Rape is not 'normalized': expert says the vast majority of men would never commit rapeI don't think you understand what they are saying about rape jokes. I wish we would get it together enough to understand what we are criticizing. | /r/MensRights | 15/08/13 12:25 PM |
| -1 | Rape is not 'normalized': expert says the vast majority of men would never commit rapeI think we have a woeful misunderstanding of their terminology. Rape is depicted as a normal and expected thing in the minds of young women when people tell them rape paranoia should be part of their daily routine, like getting dressed in the morning. This is one way its "normalized" in the culture. If someone says (you don't really hear this anymore) - "well she was wearing a short skirt and drunk, what do you expect" - this is saying that if you are drunk and wearing a short skirt, rape is a n… | /r/MensRights | 15/08/13 10:57 AM |
| 4 | Rape is not 'normalized': expert says the vast majority of men would never commit rapeDepends what you mean by normal. If you tell young women that they should do basic things like dress every day in certain way because rape, and that makes total sense, you're basically saying that rape is a normal and expected thing in the culture. If people are being sexually abused by women, and no services or statistics or discussion about it are present, its such a normal thing it doesn't warrant discussion or raise eyebrows. | /r/MensRights | 15/08/13 10:33 AM |
| 1 | Rape is not 'normalized': expert says the vast majority of men would never commit rapeHe is financially motivated by feminism, Lisak has done good work about mens experiences in the past, but there is no money in that. | /r/MensRights | 15/08/13 10:23 AM |
| 4 | Rape is not 'normalized': expert says the vast majority of men would never commit rapeIts happening at a similar rates as male on female rape, its just so normalised that its not addressed so we rarely hear about it or think about it, and when we do people tend to laugh, cheer and talk about luck. | /r/MensRights | 15/08/13 10:20 AM |
| 2 | Just a few quick observations between /r/mensrights and /r/againstmensrights.Why are you lowering your own group and elevating tolls by making that comparison, and on the main sub too? There are other mra subs that were created for nonsense and humour. | /r/MensRights | 15/08/13 09:27 AM |
| -4 | Rape is not 'normalized': expert says the vast majority of men would never commit rapeFeminism is not "already doing that". You obviously don't know what "Men can stop rape" and bystander theory is about. Too bad "rape culture" is a theory which virtually no factual evidence supporting it. Too bad more mra's don't focus on that fact and use predator theory to debunk rape culture theory in stead of going on with nonsense about women dressing "like sluts" (women dressed like this are raped by the law of averages but they are likely the minority), a bit of knowledge and research goe… | /r/MensRights | 15/08/13 08:11 AM |
| 1 | Rape is not 'normalized': expert says the vast majority of men would never commit rapewe need to educate people to be on the lookout for these thugs, guys who are escorting very drunk women they barely know out of parties, etc Feminism is already doing that, that's what men can stop rape and bystander theory is about, also I've seen various feminists talking about blending rape culture and predator theory. | /r/MensRights | 14/08/13 09:10 PM |
| 2 | Rape is not 'normalized': expert says the vast majority of men would never commit rapeWhen they say rape is "normalized" don't they mean that its presented as so normal and to be expected, that women are taught that they shouldn't wear certain clothes, always be guarding their drinks, never be alone etc? | /r/MensRights | 14/08/13 08:38 PM |
| 4 | Feds require U MT students to take an online class called PESTA, to combat sexual harassment / assault problemsThis is the "bystander theory". They are going to train and encourage people to act like vigilante thugs, hilarious only for the the fact innocent people will likely be lunched, injured and killed. Why are these american progressives repeating their dark history? | /r/MensRights | 14/08/13 05:11 PM |
| 1 | "We can be victims, too!"Yes as I've already said, I know all the theories, and they are taking on predator theory, and trying to blend to two together. As for tipmongering, you're resorting to exaggeration there Nope, years later there was yet another thread here yesterday about the cop in Canada and women dressing like sluts and rape. A predator could use rape culture theory as an advantage following the commission of a rape. However, if rape culture theory is correct, then predator theory must not be. Either the crim… | /r/MensRights | 14/08/13 03:00 PM |
| 2 | First Wave MRAsI like this, so according to this could we box Kimmel and Schwyzer etc off as misguided second wavers, dinosaurs? | /r/MensRights | 14/08/13 11:30 AM |
| -1 | UofT Prof Rosemary Gartner's logic on rape and attireMost rape victims are children, men, partners, friends ... of the women that are raped there are the mousey shy types that, children, partners in their jogging bottoms, the neutrally dressed types, and a section must be according the the law of averages, dressed in a way that you would consider "like a slut" - but the assertive, hot girl type that you think are most at risk, will actually be under presented. On top of it being inaccurate, its insulting and hurtful to many rape victims, and if yo… | /r/MensRights | 14/08/13 11:07 AM |
| 4 | Wouldn't it be great to beat feminism proper?So, do things for men so you can have an answer for random idiot feminists that use our lack of funding and resources as a way to criticize us? Go your own way, what feminists say to us is irrelevant. | /r/MensRights | 14/08/13 10:50 AM |
| 1 | "We can be victims, too!"It is bad faith, I know you this long. You are saying I can't provide examples of this, when you know I'm simultaneously on another thread here, taking to mra's who are advocating advice that women be choosing their clothes with rapists in mind. Can you not respect the fact that I don't want to argue with you anymore? | /r/MensRights | 14/08/13 08:08 AM |
| 0 | UofT Prof Rosemary Gartner's logic on rape and attireYeah I "inverted" the latter to describe what was wrong with the former. What he said is not accurate and rubs salt in the wounds of people with rape related PTSD, most of who were not "dressed like sluts" so there was backlash from people that were hurt to try to correct him. So what? Why are we still going on about it? Saying "lock your doors" isn't saying "people who don't lock their doors bring murder no themselves". But if he had said to an upset house owners that had been burgled associati… | /r/MensRights | 14/08/13 08:04 AM |
| -1 | UofT Prof Rosemary Gartner's logic on rape and attireSo, if the cop says if women don't want to be raped don't dress like sluts, even though people are raped wearing all kinds of clothes and blaming women's behavior on being raped hurts rape victims mental injuries and makes it easier for rapists to think its more ok to rape women that dress a certain way, you think he has a point. Never the less, why don't you take it to law enforcement, men can stop rape or feminists? How women dress and rape prevention tiperstering is nothing to do with us. | /r/MensRights | 14/08/13 08:02 AM |
| 1 | "We can be victims, too!"Rainn have already tried to incorporate advice for women that involves red flagging people that take liberties with others boundaries, its only a matter of time before it filters down to the smaller organisations and follower feminists and idiots that we tend to use as sources. The focus from "women dressing like sluts" and unprovable, unlikely sounding conspiracy theories about attempts to turn women into drones / children with no sense of danger needs to shift and the fucking constant issuing … | /r/MensRights | 14/08/13 07:58 AM |
| 1 | UofT Prof Rosemary Gartner's logic on rape and attireThe why don't you take it to a forum that is actually about rape and crime prevention or go to a feminist forum and get them to explain their rationales to you there? We are men's rights. Not /teach women to be so paranoid about rape that they need to be dressing with rapists in mind. | /r/MensRights | 13/08/13 10:02 PM |
| 1 | "We can be victims, too!"I don't want answer bad faith questions and then go to the trouble of providing examples only to have them ignored, which I find is your pattern. Can you respect that I don't want to do this with you? | /r/MensRights | 13/08/13 09:58 PM |
| 1 | "We can be victims, too!"Oh, other groupthinkers from the same group have the same reactions that you do, fancy that. Can you not agree that we just ignore each other or are you going to keep bothering me, even though you know I dont want to argue with you anymore? | /r/MensRights | 13/08/13 09:54 PM |
| 1 | "We can be victims, too!"And you ask for proof and examples, then when you are given them you ignore them. Go away you groupthinking idiot. | /r/MensRights | 13/08/13 09:46 PM |
| 0 | UofT Prof Rosemary Gartner's logic on rape and attireHe said if women don't want to get raped, don't dress like sluts - women bring rape on themselves by dressing like sluts. Why the fuck are we still going on about this? Who the fuck cares of they want to stop people saying stupid stuff like that? | /r/MensRights | 13/08/13 09:43 PM |
| 1 | UofT Prof Rosemary Gartner's logic on rape and attireIts only analogous of you believe the culture full of rape and that rapists rape because of clothes. Rapes aren't to do with clothes, they happen to men, women and children wearing a variety of things. Do you always wear long selves to prevent rape? Ooh, better start. | /r/MensRights | 13/08/13 09:40 PM |
| 0 | UofT Prof Rosemary Gartner's logic on rape and attireThink about it. Don't mislead women to believe the culture is so full of rape and rape is so normal, that it makes sense to wear protective clothes and always be thinking about rapists spiking their drink whenever drinking, then women won't be lining up to fight the scary rape culture you are describing. Don't make out that women bring rape on themselves, then groups of victims won't be trying to tell you that saying that accentuates their PTSD. Remember we aren't a rape prevention advice organi… | /r/MensRights | 13/08/13 08:52 PM |
| 1 | "We can be victims, too!"you never provide examples, ever Go away please you idiot, you time waster, you spend days arguing about things you know fuck all about. You get the evidence you ask for, then you ignore it like all groupthinkers do. Ive already stated Im not interested in you bad faith questions, or having my old ID dropped out of spite, can you not respect that you fucking clown. | /r/MensRights | 13/08/13 08:44 PM |
| 0 | UofT Prof Rosemary Gartner's logic on rape and attireDo you really think the entire culture is a bad area for women? This is what they mean by rape culture. You believe that a woman dressed in some revealing clothes is the equivalent of being in a bad area. | /r/MensRights | 13/08/13 07:46 PM |
| 1 | "We can be victims, too!"Where did I even mention anything about absolutes? then you say MRAs make unreasonable arguments but fail to ever provide specific examples. Fuckn idiot. | /r/MensRights | 13/08/13 07:45 PM |
| 1 | "We can be victims, too!"and I've told you I'm not interested in answering your bad faith questions. | /r/MensRights | 13/08/13 07:44 PM |
| -2 | UofT Prof Rosemary Gartner's logic on rape and attireFalse analogy. | /r/MensRights | 13/08/13 07:42 PM |
| 1 | This is me at the DC Slut Walk today. I was happy to see awareness of male rape represented and taken very seriously. A male survivor even gave a presentation and got a standing ovation. I didn't take these. Not sure who's. People just kept asking if they could take some of my statement.The movement isn't about demonizing him personally, its about something else - the fact that people, even those in authority say women bring rape on themselves by dressing like sluts. | /r/MensRights | 13/08/13 07:38 PM |
| 0 | This is me at the DC Slut Walk today. I was happy to see awareness of male rape represented and taken very seriously. A male survivor even gave a presentation and got a standing ovation. I didn't take these. Not sure who's. People just kept asking if they could take some of my statement.but I fail to see how paranoia can cause people to tun up in hospitals. People like you spread paranoia about drink spiking ... other people black out from their own drinking and are raped / think they were raped, then jump to the conclusion they were spiked, even though its largely an urbane myth / rape hysteria - then they go to hospital. Its pretty simple. People like you teach women that wearing certain clothes is rape danger, then you have attached rape fear to a basic everyday thing like g… | /r/MensRights | 13/08/13 07:33 PM |
| -1 | UofT Prof Rosemary Gartner's logic on rape and attireHe said if women don't want to get raped they shouldn't dress like sluts. | /r/MensRights | 13/08/13 07:31 PM |
| 1 | This is me at the DC Slut Walk today. I was happy to see awareness of male rape represented and taken very seriously. A male survivor even gave a presentation and got a standing ovation. I didn't take these. Not sure who's. People just kept asking if they could take some of my statement.Do you know why the studies show that only a few people out of 1000s that turn up in hospital saying that they have been spiked have drugs that they don't remember taking themselves in their systems? Its because of people like you spreading paranoia. When I'm in a bar in Africa taking to some friendly strangers, I'm watching my drink, when I'm in the country somewhere traditional in morocco I'm supposed to keep my arms and chest covered ... I like these places but I don't want to live my life li… | /r/MensRights | 13/08/13 07:09 PM |
| 1 | "We can be victims, too!"Only the Sith deal in absolutes, we you do too apparently. Not interested. | /r/MensRights | 13/08/13 06:47 PM |
| 0 | This is me at the DC Slut Walk today. I was happy to see awareness of male rape represented and taken very seriously. A male survivor even gave a presentation and got a standing ovation. I didn't take these. Not sure who's. People just kept asking if they could take some of my statement.Anyhow why not fuck off to men can stop rape? We are mens rights. | /r/MensRights | 13/08/13 06:41 PM |
| -3 | UofT Prof Rosemary Gartner's logic on rape and attireYou are jumping to the defense of someone that basically said women bring rape on themselves by dressing like sluts, great. | /r/MensRights | 13/08/13 06:39 PM |
| 1 | This is me at the DC Slut Walk today. I was happy to see awareness of male rape represented and taken very seriously. A male survivor even gave a presentation and got a standing ovation. I didn't take these. Not sure who's. People just kept asking if they could take some of my statement.Getting women rape paranoid about simple everyday things like getting dressed and having a drink on the lottery odds chance it leads to rape is not the same thing as acknowledging the crime exists, its programming rape paranoia. | /r/MensRights | 13/08/13 06:38 PM |
| 1 | "We can be victims, too!"It is your fault you in bad faith, argue for days about things you know little about and favour mythology over facts. Just go away, we'll just agree to ignore each other. | /r/MensRights | 13/08/13 06:20 PM |
| -2 | UofT Prof Rosemary Gartner's logic on rape and attireHere, if you want to understand what is behind the slutwalk and victim blaming movements read this. http://www.ibiblio.org/rcip/selfblameresearch.html Its fucking abysmal that for all the taking we do about this stuff, how little we actually know about it. If we are going to turn ourselves into an extension of rape culture feminism, we should at least know what it is we are talking about. | /r/MensRights | 13/08/13 06:09 PM |
| 1 | "We can be victims, too!"You don't argue in good faith or know what you are on about, so no. | /r/MensRights | 13/08/13 06:01 PM |
| -1 | UofT Prof Rosemary Gartner's logic on rape and attireI'm not reading into things more than necessary, you need to read into things more than you do. It men and women like you that program Schroedinger's rape hysteria in the culture - then they sign up to "rape culture feminism" so they can be free to dress in the morning without thinking about rapists and being raped. | /r/MensRights | 13/08/13 05:58 PM |
| -1 | UofT Prof Rosemary Gartner's logic on rape and attireFuck it, I really wish all the rape prevention tips mras would fuck off and join mrascanstoprape. | /r/MensRights | 13/08/13 05:56 PM |
| 1 | This is me at the DC Slut Walk today. I was happy to see awareness of male rape represented and taken very seriously. A male survivor even gave a presentation and got a standing ovation. I didn't take these. Not sure who's. People just kept asking if they could take some of my statement.Im saying that the people that are all "women should wear protective clothing and always watch their drinks for spikers" and so on create rape hysteria. There is an essay called Shrodinger's rapist that goes into it. | /r/MensRights | 13/08/13 05:55 PM |
| -6 | UofT Prof Rosemary Gartner's logic on rape and attireIF: the wearing of safety hats and people surviving workplace accidents have a cause-effect link THEN: people who wear safety hats would never be injured in the workplace Love your analogy that says that culture is so full of rape that women should wear protective clothing like people working in dangerous environments do. Can we just drop all the rape prevention nonsense we are going on with? | /r/MensRights | 13/08/13 05:05 PM |
| -1 | UofT Prof Rosemary Gartner's logic on rape and attireCan we stop with the " the culture is such that showing skin can make shrodinger's rapist jump out" bullshit? That's exactly the sort of induced rape paranoia that primes people to sign up to fight "rape culture". Plus we are not a rape prevention group. | /r/MensRights | 13/08/13 04:56 PM |
| 0 | This is me at the DC Slut Walk today. I was happy to see awareness of male rape represented and taken very seriously. A male survivor even gave a presentation and got a standing ovation. I didn't take these. Not sure who's. People just kept asking if they could take some of my statement.It guys like you that teach women to be paranoid with your "better not show skin because the culture is such it makes rape jump out"... then they sign up to fight this "rape culture" that you tell them exists. Thats the root of Schrodinger's rapist paranoia - people telling women watch their drinks 24/7. | /r/MensRights | 13/08/13 04:45 PM |
| 1 | This is me at the DC Slut Walk today. I was happy to see awareness of male rape represented and taken very seriously. A male survivor even gave a presentation and got a standing ovation. I didn't take these. Not sure who's. People just kept asking if they could take some of my statement.We aren't a stop rape organisation - we aren't mra's can help stop rape by issuing unsolicited, unwanted, patronizing and often misleading rape prevention advice. | /r/MensRights | 13/08/13 04:34 PM |
| 1 | "We can be victims, too!"Feel free to fuck off. | /r/MensRights | 13/08/13 03:20 PM |
| -1 | Feminist Censorship on Facebook is RealThese people want to do away with the practice of using highly stylized and airbrushed women's bodies as a Freudian sales gimmick, they argue that presenting womens bodies like they are products does blah, blah, objectification, rape culture blah - that's what they are attacking. | /r/MensRights | 13/08/13 02:39 PM |
| -2 | Feminist Censorship on Facebook is RealI think its pretty dumb to be calling what Edward Bernays set in motion - pairing sexual stimulation and products for advertising propaganda purposes "male sexuality". None the less, they are definitely censoring. | /r/MensRights | 13/08/13 12:28 PM |
| 1 | "We can be victims, too!"None the less, because they are taking predator theory on board and giving rape prevention advice to women the standard mra's impression that they are against women taking steps to minimise risk is a misunderstanding. though some feminist writers are attempting to reconcile them, they're not rationally compatible. Im not taking about what writers that identify as feminists say, they just mainly write opinion pieces anyway. I'm talking about what's actually being done. Which is developing a three… | /r/MensRights | 13/08/13 12:22 PM |
| 1 | "We can be victims, too!"As I said, thats a separate issue from mra's giving out actual rape prevention advice. Please fuck off. | /r/MensRights | 13/08/13 12:15 PM |
| 1 | "We can be victims, too!"I was talking to someone else about mra's habit of giving out unsolicited rape prevention advice, now you are taking to me as if I am talking about mra's saying something else. Can you fuck off please, I can't be dealing with you any more. | /r/MensRights | 13/08/13 11:13 AM |
| 1 | "We can be victims, too!"Yeah I know all the history and theories, never the less they are developing rape prevention advice for women according to predator theory to go along side the rape culture theory prevention strategies and the intervention strategies. Which totally contradicts the bizarre interpretations we tend to have. | /r/MensRights | 13/08/13 11:10 AM |
| 1 | PZ Myers retracts rape allegation post (and this post). Tries to have one more final dig at Michael Shermer's character.In fairness, at least these progressives have progressed beyond hanging people from trees. | /r/MensRights | 13/08/13 08:47 AM |
| 1 | "We can be victims, too!"No, the argument here is about mra's giving rape prevention advice and our lack of knowledge about "rape culture". Stating that people are responsible for their actions if they chose to drink more is a different thing. And its not strictly true because unintentionally getting the amounts wrong and doing stupid things is part of growing up, being an addict or even just being someone that partakes, and it obviously doesn't apply to people being raped because that would be faulty logic, and cruel. … | /r/MensRights | 13/08/13 08:02 AM |
| 1 | "We can be victims, too!"If that wasn't just our misinterpretation of whats happening, they wouldn't be trying to develop prevention advice for women based on predator theory - which is a more empowering and adult case by case model than the, "women need special risk management training lest they wander into bad areas for no reason at all, like children with no sense of danger" style of advice that our guys keep advocating for. They are changing the way advice is given, mra's misinterpret that as withdrawing all advice … | /r/MensRights | 13/08/13 07:57 AM |
| 2 | "Distraught" dad shoots self, committing suicide in hospital. "Police do not know what kind of gun was used"and people here were wondering why hospitals don't do mandatory paternity testing recently. | /r/MensRights | 12/08/13 08:45 PM |
| 1 | "We can be victims, too!"Yeah I know that, and I've no problem with that, but we are still not a rape prevention advisory service, many mra's fall into the trap of giving out rape prevention advise. | /r/MensRights | 12/08/13 06:00 PM |
| 1 | "We can be victims, too!"Right it didn't originate here, none the less the interactions mra's have with the least informed and most vocal feminists, lack of research and misinterpretations have lead them to believe that there is some agenda to encourage women to become like children wandering around with no sense of danger and no concept of risk avoidance and so step into the straw gap and start giving recommendations for rape prevention to help prevent women from being like this, which is infantalization and off topic … | /r/MensRights | 12/08/13 04:45 PM |
| 0 | "We can be victims, too!"You're mistaken, the men's movement doesn't give alcohol or rape prevention advice. That's just something that some members got into habit of doing, based on misunderstandings. | /r/MensRights | 12/08/13 02:34 PM |
| 0 | "We can be victims, too!"Nah, you don't know what the point of their victim blaming argument is, so your counter points are always strawmen. Plus, if women have more issues with alcohol and substance abuse than men do, and receive less warnings, and therefore need your paternal guidance, it would be reflected in stats. | /r/MensRights | 12/08/13 10:05 AM |
| 1 | "We can be victims, too!"Well framing women as needing our guidance so as not to wander into bad areas for no reason at all with no sense of danger, and to tell them how to drink is the antithesis of that. If you want them to be responsible for their own actions, stop advocating for patronizing advice that everyone gets anyway. Plus, we are (edit) NOT A rape advisory service, and there isn't an agenda to make women have no sense of danger or risk in the first place - thats just an mra misreading and lack of knowledge ab… | /r/MensRights | 12/08/13 09:14 AM |
| 1 | "We can be victims, too!"I didn't down play those events, I said the lead to my being in this movement, posting under various names for five years straight - you don't do that unless you are traumatized and working through some issues. And I'm saying that these are the things we should be focusing on instead of this idiotic rape prevention tipstering. | /r/MensRights | 12/08/13 09:10 AM |
| 1 | "We can be victims, too!"It doesn't have to always be the Dad, I was using paternalist as a figure of speak to describe mra's that want to give out that patronizing sort of advice to supposedly adult that everyone gets anyway. | /r/MensRights | 12/08/13 09:06 AM |
| 2 | "We can be victims, too!"Fuck I hate this place. Anyone that don't buy in to the group think or actually knows what feminists mean by rape culture and so on, is assumed to support it and be a traitor. If I was a feminist surely I'd be happy to see you all getting sucked into their narratives and involved in rape prevention and not be pointing out that we are about mens rights, not "men can stop rape by giving unsolicited, patronizing and often misleading rape prevention advice". | /r/MensRights | 11/08/13 09:44 PM |
| 1 | "We can be victims, too!"I joined five years ago for the standard reasons, bad marriage, DV etc - then was appalled to find out the Erin Pizzy story, then thought talking to feminists about it was the way to go, only to be bullied relentlessly. I'm also appalled by the way this forum has been drawn into giving rape prevention advise, and talks so much about "rape culture" but has little understanding of what its all about. I'm moving away from the mrm, because its breaching the mainstream now so I feel like there little… | /r/MensRights | 11/08/13 08:26 PM |
| 1 | This is me at the DC Slut Walk today. I was happy to see awareness of male rape represented and taken very seriously. A male survivor even gave a presentation and got a standing ovation. I didn't take these. Not sure who's. People just kept asking if they could take some of my statement.The problem here is you're acting as if the "don't dress like X" advice is the only advice we believe in "We" are not a rape prevention advisory service in the first place. | /r/MensRights | 11/08/13 08:23 PM |
| 1 | This is me at the DC Slut Walk today. I was happy to see awareness of male rape represented and taken very seriously. A male survivor even gave a presentation and got a standing ovation. I didn't take these. Not sure who's. People just kept asking if they could take some of my statement.Fuck I hate this - WE ARE NOT AN EXTENSION OF MEN CAN STOP RAPE. Fuck, will all you guys just go to a rape prevention site. | /r/MensRights | 11/08/13 08:14 PM |
| 0 | "We can be victims, too!"I asked why would mra's want to be giving out rape and alcohol prevention advise to women, you answered me by saying something about standards and decent human beings ... you answered the question out of context. | /r/MensRights | 11/08/13 08:12 PM |
| 0 | "We can be victims, too!"I'm pretty tired off the mra;s that think we are some sort of paternalist rape prevention / responsible drinking advisory service. It sad to see us getting lead into behaving like the mra men can stop rape. | /r/MensRights | 11/08/13 07:15 PM |
| 1 | This is me at the DC Slut Walk today. I was happy to see awareness of male rape represented and taken very seriously. A male survivor even gave a presentation and got a standing ovation. I didn't take these. Not sure who's. People just kept asking if they could take some of my statement.When people give out rape prevention advise that applies to mugging and stranger rape, and nonsense about short skirts, its misleading because most rapes don't happen like that. Electrical companies and the police discourage misleading, amateur prevention advice too. Fuck I hate this, I wish all you teach women not to get raped people would fuck off. | /r/MensRights | 11/08/13 07:14 PM |
| 0 | This is me at the DC Slut Walk today. I was happy to see awareness of male rape represented and taken very seriously. A male survivor even gave a presentation and got a standing ovation. I didn't take these. Not sure who's. People just kept asking if they could take some of my statement.they focus exclusively on telling rapists not to rape and give sensible prevention advice the back seat. They actually have the best prevention advice for women based on spotting people that violate boundaries on an individual basis (predator theory, which is supported by data) and the advise based on "rape culture" theory (that rapes happen because of miscommunications) - the enthusiastic consent movement, but of course we wouldn't know much about that. Its a far more logical approach than the … | /r/MensRights | 11/08/13 07:09 PM |
| -1 | "We can be victims, too!"Ok well then your answer was out of context. The context was the question why would mra's want to give out alcohol related rape prevention advice to women. | /r/MensRights | 11/08/13 06:57 PM |
| 0 | "We can be victims, too!"So, she is doing the equivalent of what you want to do. You both want to give out unsolicited rape prevention advice that assumes the other gender is some kind of moron. | /r/MensRights | 11/08/13 06:52 PM |
| 1 | "We can be victims, too!"I should ask that bigot why you want to give out unsolicited rape prevention advice? | /r/MensRights | 11/08/13 06:45 PM |
| -1 | "We can be victims, too!"So, women aren't keeping up the standards of being decent human beings, and they need to be taught to do that, to prevent themselves from being raped? | /r/MensRights | 11/08/13 06:44 PM |
| 1 | "We can be victims, too!"Why do you want to give unsolicited rape prevention advice to people that don't want it and find it patronizing anyway? | /r/MensRights | 11/08/13 06:31 PM |
| 0 | "We can be victims, too!"The guys like you that go on about the best way to protect women from rape are doing that, I'm just asking you to take it to somewhere that's actually about that. | /r/MensRights | 11/08/13 06:20 PM |
| -1 | "We can be victims, too!"If you think its so badly needed, why don't you take it to some suitable group instead of making us the mra wing of men can stop rape? | /r/MensRights | 11/08/13 05:59 PM |
| 4 | "We can be victims, too!"and do you think that advocating to give adult women patronizing advice about drinking assumes women have agency? Or does it work off the assumption that adult women need paternal care? | /r/MensRights | 11/08/13 05:40 PM |
| -2 | "We can be victims, too!"Sure, but treating women as if you are their dad and wanting to lecture them about not drinking too much is just going to annoy people because its patronizing. Plus, everyone gets alcohol and drug abuse information anyway. Anyhow, I don't get why mra's get so invested in that, why not just join an anti drinking group or muslim group that advises women against drinking instead if going on about it here? | /r/MensRights | 11/08/13 05:02 PM |
| 1 | This is me at the DC Slut Walk today. I was happy to see awareness of male rape represented and taken very seriously. A male survivor even gave a presentation and got a standing ovation. I didn't take these. Not sure who's. People just kept asking if they could take some of my statement.Yes, I exaggerated to illustrate what they are objecting to. These feminists, want to object to rape prevention advice that they view as problematic and misleading, all misleading and problematic prevention advice is objected to and corrected with better information where possible by various bodies, this is normal. Mra's because they don't really know what this is about, tend to think feminists are against all rape prevention advice for women, MRAs for some reason tend to want to give out rape p… | /r/MensRights | 11/08/13 02:19 PM |
| 2 | This is me at the DC Slut Walk today. I was happy to see awareness of male rape represented and taken very seriously. A male survivor even gave a presentation and got a standing ovation. I didn't take these. Not sure who's. People just kept asking if they could take some of my statement.We are ignorant about this though. The reason they are objecting to know it alls giving out misleading or problematic rape prevention advice is the same reason the road traffic authority object to know it alls giving out misleading or problematic road traffic prevention advice ... but because mra's tend not to know what any of this is about, we think that they are against all rape prevention advise as opposed to patronizing and problematic advice from know it alls. | /r/MensRights | 11/08/13 02:14 PM |
| 11 | "We can be victims, too!"Agreed. The other side of the coin to feminist rape paranoia, is traditionalist style don't wear a short skirt paranoia. Also, so many people have been exposed to feminist type activism make the mistake of thinking that the mrm should look like feminist rape victim mongering does. | /r/MensRights | 11/08/13 01:05 PM |
| 1 | This is me at the DC Slut Walk today. I was happy to see awareness of male rape represented and taken very seriously. A male survivor even gave a presentation and got a standing ovation. I didn't take these. Not sure who's. People just kept asking if they could take some of my statement.How can you separate marching against the promotion of the idea that rape is failures on the part of victims to keep an anti rape schedule and uniform, and participants making accusations of victim blaming? And every large movement is going to have loudmouths that cannot articulate what they want to say (and don't even fully understand what they are protesting). Much of the point of it is to stop people framing rape as failures on the part of victims in order to minimise the self blame and guilt… | /r/MensRights | 11/08/13 12:32 PM |
| 2 | This is me at the DC Slut Walk today. I was happy to see awareness of male rape represented and taken very seriously. A male survivor even gave a presentation and got a standing ovation. I didn't take these. Not sure who's. People just kept asking if they could take some of my statement.That's very interesting activism, subtle and non confrontational. Looks like these marches would be a great place for posters about the envelopment issue. | /r/MensRights | 11/08/13 11:21 AM |
| -4 | This is me at the DC Slut Walk today. I was happy to see awareness of male rape represented and taken very seriously. A male survivor even gave a presentation and got a standing ovation. I didn't take these. Not sure who's. People just kept asking if they could take some of my statement.There is absolutely nothing wrong with their marching against beliefs along the lines of "women need get up in the morning and chose their clothes according to the myth that shirt skirts cause rape, and if women don't want to be raped they shouldn't wear short skirts". This sub doesn't really know anything about "rape culture" in the first place, and generally rails against straw and hyperbolic versions of it, and incorrect theories about it - that's not to say I agree with it, just saying that … | /r/MensRights | 11/08/13 11:16 AM |
| 6 | Hugo Schwyzer is going nuts. c/o the delighted feminismsThis is all a game to get attention and sympathy for himself through media and social media, its called narcissistic supply. We shouldn't be feeding into his mania. | /r/MensRights | 10/08/13 10:31 AM |
| 1 | I was looking at these domestic violence reciprocity stats that say 70% is reciprocal and the majority of the remaining 30% female on male DV. Where do these numbers come from?Its pretty self evident that the average mra's knowledge about what victim blaming and rape culture means to them ... all you have to do is look in at a conversation here about it. | /r/MensRights | 10/08/13 08:09 AM |
| 1 | Great article on what's wrong with saying a man should not have an opinion on abortion.You are saying your voter status makes you a stake holder in the legislation that governs their uterus, you feel that's your jurisdiction, hence the evolution of the silencing tactic. | /r/MensRights | 10/08/13 08:07 AM |
| 1 | I was looking at these domestic violence reciprocity stats that say 70% is reciprocal and the majority of the remaining 30% female on male DV. Where do these numbers come from?Ok, I'll just go make a study, and have it peer reviewed to prove that mra's typically cannot articulate an understanding of what they are saying about "rape culture" and "victim blaming" at the level of an informed feminist because we work off what tumblr feminists say and our own ludicrous theories instead. | /r/MensRights | 09/08/13 08:53 PM |
| 1 | I was looking at these domestic violence reciprocity stats that say 70% is reciprocal and the majority of the remaining 30% female on male DV. Where do these numbers come from?Ah, the "argument from authority" is my saying I've been here years? I wasn't saying I'm an authority, I'm saying that I have witnessed years of mras talking out their asses about the meaning of rape culture and victim blaming - as an example to back up of my claim that mra's can often talk out of their asses. | /r/MensRights | 09/08/13 07:38 PM |
| 1 | I was looking at these domestic violence reciprocity stats that say 70% is reciprocal and the majority of the remaining 30% female on male DV. Where do these numbers come from?No. I claimed that the mrm can often be taking out its ass, I gave the example of JTO getting that reciprocity % wrong, and the lack of knowledge and ludicrous theories about the meanings and rationals behind "rape culture" and "victimblaming" despite the countless hours spent typing about it. I'm saying I've been watching this forum, for years now saying things about the victimblaming thing, that simply aren't true. The group think is such, that when corrected and confronted with the actual inf… | /r/MensRights | 09/08/13 06:42 PM |
| 1 | I was looking at these domestic violence reciprocity stats that say 70% is reciprocal and the majority of the remaining 30% female on male DV. Where do these numbers come from?No. I'm asking you, is it also an appeal to authority when someone points out that the ludicrous motivations and agendas they (manboobz type) theorize we have don't exist at the source. If not why is it an appeal to authority when I point out that the ludicrous motivations and agendas we tend to apply to victim blaming and so on don't exist at the source (ie. the common belief among us that its about women not wanting to take responsibility for their own safety based on impressions and what the … | /r/MensRights | 09/08/13 06:05 PM |
| 1 | I was looking at these domestic violence reciprocity stats that say 70% is reciprocal and the majority of the remaining 30% female on male DV. Where do these numbers come from?Thats very vague really ... and the argument from authority ... if a thread on Manboobz is all about how mra's have an agenda to misrepresent domestic violence in order to stop battered women getting help and I point out that the real agenda according to the source is actually something else I'm committing a logical fallacy? | /r/MensRights | 09/08/13 03:07 PM |
| 1 | I was looking at these domestic violence reciprocity stats that say 70% is reciprocal and the majority of the remaining 30% female on male DV. Where do these numbers come from?I can generalize because I've been here for years. I'll give you another example, this forum and the mens movement spends 1000s and 1000s of hours talking about "rape culture" and "victim blaming" without having any knowledge about the meaning of or rationales behind the terms and they way they are used. This leads to an enormous amount of wheel spinning, and mra's not knowing the difference between hyperbolic poe trolls, idiot tumblr feminist positions and the actual positions and rationals beh… | /r/MensRights | 09/08/13 11:51 AM |
| 6 | Atheism+, Skepchick, FtB feminists going all out in attempt to destroy the skeptic movement: Ben Radford and physicist Lawrence Krauss accused of sex assault, Bill Nye accused of harassment, DJ Grothe accused of misogyny, Michael Shermer ACCUSED OF RAPE by PZ Myers. This is beyond fucking insane.This book is very relevant http://www.amazon.com/Heterophobia-Harassment-Feminism-American-Intellectual/dp/0847689883 | /r/MensRights | 09/08/13 11:43 AM |
| 1 | Sent off an Email to Oxford English Dictionary to change rape and rapist definitions.Its not the dictionaries fault, in the UK legally - only men can rape (this is why all the rapists are men). The dictionary is factually reporting what the word means. | /r/MensRights | 09/08/13 11:27 AM |
| 1 | Great article on what's wrong with saying a man should not have an opinion on abortion.Seems to me like you are overstepping your jurisdiction and into what should be more the jurisdiction of women, this mentality is precisely why the uterus card evolved as a quick silencing tactic. We'd be up in arms if feminists were saying women should have that much jurisdiction over vasectomy. Personally, I think its irresponsible for cultures to have the technology and the means and for it not to be rolled out to as many people as possible, especially the poor. The ideal situation is as many… | /r/MensRights | 09/08/13 10:15 AM |
| 2 | I was looking at these domestic violence reciprocity stats that say 70% is reciprocal and the majority of the remaining 30% female on male DV. Where do these numbers come from?It was just an example of even our first paid activist making the same mistake to illustrate the point. Its a good thing if we know what all these stats are saying, and would be a good thing if we knew what they meant by rape culture and victim blaming and so on ... it makes it easier for us. | /r/MensRights | 08/08/13 04:34 PM |
| 2 | I was looking at these domestic violence reciprocity stats that say 70% is reciprocal and the majority of the remaining 30% female on male DV. Where do these numbers come from?Yeah it was a recent video on youtube, he was talking about reciprocity and presumably referring to that study, and made the same or a very similar mistake to the one in the headline of this thread. | /r/MensRights | 08/08/13 04:17 PM |
| 1 | I was looking at these domestic violence reciprocity stats that say 70% is reciprocal and the majority of the remaining 30% female on male DV. Where do these numbers come from?You can find out what it says as opposed to what you think it says and how how they defined violence and injury by reading the study. | /r/MensRights | 08/08/13 01:56 PM |
| 3 | I was looking at these domestic violence reciprocity stats that say 70% is reciprocal and the majority of the remaining 30% female on male DV. Where do these numbers come from?This is what it says. Results. Almost 24% of all relationships had some violence, and half (49.7%) of those were reciprocally violent. In nonreciprocally violent relationships, women were the perpetrators in more than 70% of the cases. Reciprocity was associated with more frequent violence among women (adjusted odds ratio [AOR]=2.3; 95% confidence interval [CI]=1.9, 2.8), but not men (AOR=1.26; 95% CI=0.9, 1.7). Regarding injury, men were more likely to inflict injury than were women (AOR=1.3; 9… | /r/MensRights | 08/08/13 12:47 PM |
| 1 | Great article on what's wrong with saying a man should not have an opinion on abortion.We are talking about a silencing tactic and in this case what is meant by dialogue - the context in which the silencing tactic is used, is men that are anti-choice. What details do you think men and women need to agree on first? | /r/MensRights | 08/08/13 12:40 PM |
| 1 | I was looking at these domestic violence reciprocity stats that say 70% is reciprocal and the majority of the remaining 30% female on male DV. Where do these numbers come from?It doesn't matter what you think it is, the study says what it is. | /r/MensRights | 08/08/13 12:38 PM |
| 1 | Tumblr "Feminist" promoting a shirt entitled "11 Signs That You're MRA". Is this really what the movement believes?Why would you believe what the most informed feminists (tumblr feminists) are saying? I hate the way we give away so much credibility to trolls. | /r/MensRights | 08/08/13 10:19 AM |
| 4 | I was looking at these domestic violence reciprocity stats that say 70% is reciprocal and the majority of the remaining 30% female on male DV. Where do these numbers come from?The correct version is that around 50% is non reciprocal and that women commit 70% of it, while the remaining 50% is reciprocal with women initiating that more often. Mra's unfortunately do a lot of talking out of their asses, I saw even JTO get that stat. wrong the other day. | /r/MensRights | 08/08/13 10:16 AM |
| 7 | I was looking at these domestic violence reciprocity stats that say 70% is reciprocal and the majority of the remaining 30% female on male DV. Where do these numbers come from?The sources has been posted in /r/mensrightslinks a few times. And its linked from the side bar's Summary of studies on Domestic Violence http://www.reddit.com/r/mensrightslinks/comments/y0mnx/dvipc_summary/ | /r/MensRights | 08/08/13 09:49 AM |
| 4 | A surprising AskReddit thread elicits hundreds of stories from male victims of rape. Will feminism claim these victims don't exist?American feminism just recently redefined rape to include men being penetrated, so looking at the top post there where a man was fingered by other men, the answer to your question is no. American feminism at least, recognizes that as rape. | /r/MensRights | 08/08/13 08:19 AM |
| 0 | Great article on what's wrong with saying a man should not have an opinion on abortion.Nazi eugenics is coercive, our present eugenics is voluntary. For example, we scan a fetus for problems, the potential parents are told about the problems and given the option to chose to abort. Same goes for people that are too poor to give a child a good life, we subsidize birth control and abortion clinics to give them the choice and the power to avert a potentially bad situation. With Nazi eugenics, the state made it mandatory. | /r/MensRights | 08/08/13 08:14 AM |
| 1 | Great article on what's wrong with saying a man should not have an opinion on abortion.Sure. The concept of fetal programming of adult disease, whereby the environment experienced in the womb can have profound long-lasting consequences on health and risk of disease in later life, is well known; however, the process that drives this is unclear. Professor Megan Holmes, a neuroendocrinologist from the University of Edinburgh/British Heart Foundation Centre for Cardiovascular Science in Scotland (UK), will say: "During our research we have identified the enzyme 11ß-HSD2 which we belie… | /r/MensRights | 08/08/13 07:30 AM |
| 1 | Great article on what's wrong with saying a man should not have an opinion on abortion.In happy - happy cloud cook coo land that's all good, fact remains that the more unwanted children there are born to unsuitable parents the more suffering there is in the world. | /r/MensRights | 07/08/13 09:45 PM |
| 0 | Great article on what's wrong with saying a man should not have an opinion on abortion.Its pretty much a foregone conclusion that a child that was soaked in stress hormones during its gestation as a fetus is going to have problems. | /r/MensRights | 07/08/13 09:39 PM |
| 0 | Great article on what's wrong with saying a man should not have an opinion on abortion.That makes no sense. We aren't talking about killing people. Its better that societies allow people the choice, so there is less poverty, suffering, abuse and dysfunction. Imagine how the world and humanity would be when every child was born planned and wanted. | /r/MensRights | 07/08/13 09:36 PM |
| 0 | Great article on what's wrong with saying a man should not have an opinion on abortion.The argument for state promoted voluntary eugenics is logically sound. "Did I plan this, can I afford it, will this child have a good life/two willing parents/feel loved and wanted?" Yes - proceed. No - Avail of a remedy and wait. What messes up the system is providing too much incentive for single mothers and an absence of the idea of men giving their consent to fatherhood. I don't see how anyone else but the female can be in control over the abortion decision and if they weren't, only lunatic … | /r/MensRights | 07/08/13 09:13 PM |
| -1 | Great article on what's wrong with saying a man should not have an opinion on abortion.That makes absolutely no sense and the children that would have been born in a culture with no abortion would have been born unplanned and unwanted to young, irresponsible, poor and addicted parents in unstable relationships. That's the reality of it. Your emotional arguments don't fit reality. | /r/MensRights | 07/08/13 08:56 PM |
| 1 | Great article on what's wrong with saying a man should not have an opinion on abortion.Do you want legal paternal surrender too? | /r/MensRights | 07/08/13 08:51 PM |
| 1 | Great article on what's wrong with saying a man should not have an opinion on abortion.There is no child, all there is an accidental / unplanned pregnancy. I have children, I've had accidental pregnancies with women - big difference. | /r/MensRights | 07/08/13 07:38 PM |
| -1 | Great article on what's wrong with saying a man should not have an opinion on abortion.How would your system play out in reality? Is it as workable as the Jerry Springer show hospitals? Women being forced to convert accidental pregnancies to unwanted children at the behest of men who are clearly dysfunctional in the first place? Do women have to get permission for an abortion? What if the male cannot be found to give permission? A man can sabotage birth control and there is no way out? | /r/MensRights | 07/08/13 07:30 PM |
| 0 | Great article on what's wrong with saying a man should not have an opinion on abortion.Feminists have said that having a penis precludes you from having an opinion on various subjects. No, they have used this as a quick silencing tactic for certain opinions, in this case it pro life guys. If a male doctor is giving his medical opinion or a pro choice guy is giving his opinion, they are not precluded. So it is hypocritical for them to violate their own edicts. Its not an edict, its a silencing tactic thats used on men that think they should object to women having a way of an unplan… | /r/MensRights | 07/08/13 06:28 PM |
| 3 | Great article on what's wrong with saying a man should not have an opinion on abortion.Do not get accidental pregnancy confused with child and family. | /r/MensRights | 07/08/13 05:57 PM |
| 3 | Great article on what's wrong with saying a man should not have an opinion on abortion.Its the only way to deal with an unwanted pregnancy. | /r/MensRights | 07/08/13 05:55 PM |
| 1 | Great article on what's wrong with saying a man should not have an opinion on abortion.You find it odd that a man would see it as their place to make decisions for their own children Nope. or potential children? In this case in question there is no child, no willing mother and no agreement to have a child. | /r/MensRights | 07/08/13 05:01 PM |
| 2 | Great article on what's wrong with saying a man should not have an opinion on abortion.Who said it was? | /r/MensRights | 07/08/13 04:58 PM |
| -1 | Great article on what's wrong with saying a man should not have an opinion on abortion.Yeah, and we object to that, don't we? | /r/MensRights | 07/08/13 04:35 PM |
| 1 | Great article on what's wrong with saying a man should not have an opinion on abortion.What child? There is no child and a man that wants to force a woman to carry and give birth to a child she doesn't want is pretty much the same thing as a woman committing paternity fraud. | /r/MensRights | 07/08/13 04:26 PM |
| 2 | Great article on what's wrong with saying a man should not have an opinion on abortion.Women have no business forcing parent hood on men. Women have no business deciding whether or nor men can have vasectomies as far as Im concerned either. | /r/MensRights | 07/08/13 04:24 PM |
| 1 | Great article on what's wrong with saying a man should not have an opinion on abortion.Im pretty consistent actually. I'm against women deciding if men can have vasectomies, I'm against women deciding they can force a man into parenthood. This describes quite a ercentage of children in the world. Right. This could be improved upon, arguing against abortion for women in the west, is going backwards on this point. | /r/MensRights | 07/08/13 04:22 PM |
| 2 | Great article on what's wrong with saying a man should not have an opinion on abortion.Well, his argument that he should have a say in what women do or don't in their own uterus is invalid. Its understandable and logical that a silencing technique would evolve for men like him. | /r/MensRights | 07/08/13 12:26 PM |
| 1 | Great article on what's wrong with saying a man should not have an opinion on abortion.I find it odd and short sighted that men would see it as their place to make decisions for women and potential children like that. Why would someone want to force an unwanted child, stewed in stress hormones into the world and a woman to go through it too? | /r/MensRights | 07/08/13 11:10 AM |
| 2 | Great article on what's wrong with saying a man should not have an opinion on abortion.Why would you want society to have no option but for more unwanted children that have been stewed in stress hormones to be born? | /r/MensRights | 07/08/13 10:52 AM |
| -1 | Great article on what's wrong with saying a man should not have an opinion on abortion.Seems odd that you want to be in the dialogue in the first place. (I made some edits the first post you were responding to btw, not sure if you've see them). | /r/MensRights | 07/08/13 10:12 AM |
| 5 | Great article on what's wrong with saying a man should not have an opinion on abortion.The "uterus card" is a valid card. Its their bodies, their medical procedure, their life. EDIT If someone is too poor or not ready for a baby, its cruel on the mother, the father (if one is known) and potential child, and bad for society to force them to be a family. Plus, without abortion there can be no legal paternal surrender. | /r/MensRights | 07/08/13 09:59 AM |
| 2 | A new sub to debate feminism/r/askfeminists was created as a dumping ground so that people asking questions in /r/feminism could be redirected there and feminists will not interested in visiting a sub to debate mra's in good faith, if they were they would be visiting here and other areas prior to the creation of /r/mensrights. Further to that, there isn't anything to be gained from debating with random and average feminists on the internet, unless you want to learn about what they mean by rape culture and victimblaming or … | /r/MensRights | 07/08/13 09:53 AM |
| 1 | My narrow minded opinion on men's rights. I'm ignorant to the topic. Care to explain?Many men's issues are being caused by, made worse by or suppressed by feminism. Also don't expect feminist to care about men's rights. Don't expect the dominant gender equality movement that is controlling the discourse and legislation on gender rights and using that position to lie about and legislate and discriminate against men to care about mens rights? | /r/MensRights | 07/08/13 08:31 AM |
| 1 | Can't we all just get along? Uh...no. A response to Cathy YoungHere GWW. No mention of NOW, except by us. Investors in Good Men Media include project founder Tom Matlack and private angel investors Grant Gund, managing partner of Coppermine Capital; Jack Roberts, CEO and president of Consert Inc.; Mike Jackson, former partner at Lehman Brothers and founding partner of Ironwood and Housatonic Partners; and Michael Margolis, founder of the investment management firm Maric LS, LLC, and others. http://bostinno.streetwise.co/2010/11/16/female-ceo-focuses-on-comm… | /r/MensRights | 06/08/13 06:35 PM |
| 5 | What I mean when I say feminists want to help men too.True feminists maintain gender roles by promoting the false feminist positions and stats on DV and rape. | /r/MensRights | 06/08/13 02:30 PM |
| 1 | now surely advising people to avoid wearing certain items of clothing to avoid violence is nothing but victim blaming ?? ( sarcasm of course )Anyhow, I just wanted to correct the earlier assertion that nationalism is the cause of the problems. I didn't want to get into a political discussion with a loyalist bigot, I'm related to people like you up in NI and I've no time for their ignorance either. | /r/MensRights | 05/08/13 06:59 PM |
| 1 | now surely advising people to avoid wearing certain items of clothing to avoid violence is nothing but victim blaming ?? ( sarcasm of course )If you married in the catholic faith, the children had to be brought up catholic, if you married in the protestant faith you didn't. This was to try to stem imperialism. So, you are agreeing that it doesn't negate the fact that Protestants fled the country, were killed, suffered discrimination in Eire and that thusly the Protestant community was decimated over the years? I'm not aware of this happening to any large extent. My family certainly didn't notice and there has been a protestant communi… | /r/MensRights | 05/08/13 06:55 PM |
| 1 | now surely advising people to avoid wearing certain items of clothing to avoid violence is nothing but victim blaming ?? ( sarcasm of course )Which meant that their offspring had to be raised Catholic by law. Not true at all. And this does not negate that the Protestant community in the south has been decimated over the years, through discrimination and threats. Nope. My relatives from here are multi-generational protestants, one side lived as protestants here for generations, the other moved here to escape bigotry in the north and lived as protestants. There were catholic only hiring policies in some Irish owned firms, but they were … | /r/MensRights | 05/08/13 06:11 PM |
| 6 | Are there spinoffs of /r/theredpill (made by members who disagreed with some of the views there and started r/thetrueredpill or something)?The red pill front and peoples front of red pill? I hope not, one /r/theredpill is bad enough. | /r/MensRights | 05/08/13 11:45 AM |
| 1 | Day Z Feminist nonsense and incompatibility of feminist frequency in video gamesLot of trouble to go to over some random fool someone met on a game, that knows full well they fucking with the guy. | /r/MensRights | 05/08/13 08:52 AM |
| 0 | now surely advising people to avoid wearing certain items of clothing to avoid violence is nothing but victim blaming ?? ( sarcasm of course )Right - Catholics were backlashing against years of violent oppression of Catholics. The violent and political and social oppression of Catholics is the reason Catholics were fighting back. Which is contrary to the assertion someone made earlier that started this conversation - that nationalism was the cause of the trouble and suffering. To declare nationalists the aggressors is like saying that the French Resistance were the aggressors. Sure, they were painted as aggressors in the German media … | /r/MensRights | 05/08/13 08:08 AM |
| 1 | now surely advising people to avoid wearing certain items of clothing to avoid violence is nothing but victim blaming ?? ( sarcasm of course )If there was no occupation, the British military wouldn't have been installed in Ireland pointing guns at Irish people in order to maintain a two tiered society. Its an oppressive system and a military occupation, thats why there was trouble there, and why everyone can live in peace in the rest of the country regardless of being catholic or protestant. | /r/MensRights | 04/08/13 11:32 PM |
| 1 | now surely advising people to avoid wearing certain items of clothing to avoid violence is nothing but victim blaming ?? ( sarcasm of course )They are being granted sovereignty down the barrel of a gun. They are the aggressors, the modern IRA formed to protect the catholic minority from their violence and work as community police because they were being violently attacked and not being given any protection or services from the police or military. This is the sort of regime they backlash against, where it not a two tiered society enforced by violence, it wouldn't have kicked off in the way it did. They still have a right to be here, I'… | /r/MensRights | 04/08/13 09:38 PM |
| 1 | now surely advising people to avoid wearing certain items of clothing to avoid violence is nothing but victim blaming ?? ( sarcasm of course )I'm never argued that those people don't have a right to be here. I'm descended from the same people. I pointed out the fact that there is a military occupation in NI, and that the nationalists there are backlashing against oppression and suffering caused by the occupation and divide and rule, contrary to the earlier assertion that they were the cause of the suffering and trouble in NI. | /r/MensRights | 04/08/13 09:02 PM |
| 1 | now surely advising people to avoid wearing certain items of clothing to avoid violence is nothing but victim blaming ?? ( sarcasm of course )You have told me the version of history that you have been given, for example you were never told that the famine wasn't really a famine. I'm telling you what actually happened. You know that the people living in Poland are mainly descendants of people who moved/were moved there and displaced the Germans who originally lived there, clearly the Polish Army is an occupying force! The correct analogy would have the German army still occupying Poland and Poland being considered part of the German em… | /r/MensRights | 04/08/13 08:25 PM |
| 1 | The victim-blaming epidemic in society is far, far, FAR worse than feminists ever imagined...Fuck, why do we think we are some sort of amateur rape prevention advice service? Such a waste of time. Plus, if telling people not to abuse substances worked, nobody would abuse substances. | /r/MensRights | 04/08/13 07:29 PM |
| 1 | now surely advising people to avoid wearing certain items of clothing to avoid violence is nothing but victim blaming ?? ( sarcasm of course )The British Army are the violence behind the occupation. Loyalists are predominantly people who's descendants were transplanted to Ireland on the promise of land which was confiscated from the locals. That's just the history. Please, tell me that you are not referring to the potato famine. Yes, I am talking about the "famine" during which all the food baring diseased potatoes was confiscated and exported/sold outside the country. The potato blight (thought to have been brought from American by C… | /r/MensRights | 04/08/13 07:26 PM |
| 1 | now surely advising people to avoid wearing certain items of clothing to avoid violence is nothing but victim blaming ?? ( sarcasm of course )You are dancing around the fact that you don't know what its about beyond the fact that ideologues use it as a thought terminating cliché. | /r/MensRights | 04/08/13 06:38 PM |
| 1 | now surely advising people to avoid wearing certain items of clothing to avoid violence is nothing but victim blaming ?? ( sarcasm of course )You don't know the reasoning behind it, do you? You do know that many use it as a thought terminating cliché but beyond that you don't know what its about. | /r/MensRights | 04/08/13 05:37 PM |
| -2 | The victim-blaming epidemic in society is far, far, FAR worse than feminists ever imagined...So women should lock themselves up in case someone steals them, I guess if they don't lock themselves up they are just being careless and are asking for it. We should pick our battles, this isn't a good one. | /r/MensRights | 04/08/13 01:16 PM |
| 1 | now surely advising people to avoid wearing certain items of clothing to avoid violence is nothing but victim blaming ?? ( sarcasm of course )So you want to give out patronizing, misleading and largely irrelevant rape prevention advise to all women, on the off chance it might lead to a rape being prevented, even though the target group are pointing to the many problems with it. You want to create unnecessary rape panic. | /r/MensRights | 04/08/13 09:15 AM |
| 1 | now surely advising people to avoid wearing certain items of clothing to avoid violence is nothing but victim blaming ?? ( sarcasm of course )Can you describe what their victim blaming argument is about? The rational behind it according to them, not one of the guesses and theories we have have come up with. | /r/MensRights | 04/08/13 09:08 AM |
| 1 | now surely advising people to avoid wearing certain items of clothing to avoid violence is nothing but victim blaming ?? ( sarcasm of course )The British army and gov. are the occupying force, the loyalists themselves were largely people or descendants of people that were transplanted to Ireland on the promise of land. The British establishment had been trying to get a loyalist majority in Ireland for sometime, even starving out the local population at one point, they eventually got one in the north. | /r/MensRights | 04/08/13 09:06 AM |
| 1 | now surely advising people to avoid wearing certain items of clothing to avoid violence is nothing but victim blaming ?? ( sarcasm of course )So you think that only boys receive drug and alcohol prevention advice and you can just tell girls that abuse drugs and party not to do it. don't go home with a stranger you do not intend to fuck, They are more likely to be raped by someone they know. This is why they don't want amateurs giving out misleading advise. | /r/MensRights | 04/08/13 09:02 AM |
| 1 | now surely advising people to avoid wearing certain items of clothing to avoid violence is nothing but victim blaming ?? ( sarcasm of course )If you think women are perfectly capable, why do you want to issue patronizing rape prevention advise and use children as an analogy? You mean when they blame all rape on men? No, I mean the prevention advice they are developing and giving to women that's based on predator theory. I guess walking around dangerous parts of town in the middle of the night is a great idea. What portion of rapes happen because women decide to wander around the dangerous part of town for no reason like lost children?… | /r/MensRights | 04/08/13 08:59 AM |
| 0 | now surely advising people to avoid wearing certain items of clothing to avoid violence is nothing but victim blaming ?? ( sarcasm of course )It's not completely irrelevant to this conversation, its key. The catholic minority were being oppressed and often violently attacked, so it is not a case of nationalists and republicans just causing suffering as was suggested initially, its a case of them backlashing against oppression and suffering. | /r/MensRights | 03/08/13 09:40 PM |
| 0 | now surely advising people to avoid wearing certain items of clothing to avoid violence is nothing but victim blaming ?? ( sarcasm of course )So you see women as children that need our guidance ... actually, the feminist rape prevention advice is much better than the patronizing and often useless advise that they are objecting to. | /r/MensRights | 03/08/13 08:47 PM |
| 0 | now surely advising people to avoid wearing certain items of clothing to avoid violence is nothing but victim blaming ?? ( sarcasm of course )Loyalists were not the existing population. Loyalists for the most part were people that were moved to Ireland on the promise of land. Northern Ireland was set up in such a way that if you were not loyalist, you had fewer rights. | /r/MensRights | 03/08/13 07:30 PM |
| 0 | now surely advising people to avoid wearing certain items of clothing to avoid violence is nothing but victim blaming ?? ( sarcasm of course )Ireland was occupied, there was an agreement for a staged de-occupation, the six counties (NI) to be de-occupied last, the agreement was reneged upon, a larger population were transplanted there (loyalists) and given rights the existing population (Republicans) where not (divide and rule), this is the root of the problem. | /r/MensRights | 03/08/13 07:00 PM |
| 0 | now surely advising people to avoid wearing certain items of clothing to avoid violence is nothing but victim blaming ?? ( sarcasm of course )the people of NI have suffered immensely due to nationalism and republicanism. Thats a bit like like saying that resistance to the American occupation of Iraq is the cause of the problems there, but anyway. | /r/MensRights | 03/08/13 06:40 PM |
| -2 | now surely advising people to avoid wearing certain items of clothing to avoid violence is nothing but victim blaming ?? ( sarcasm of course )In the same way the road traffic authority doesn't want people telling drivers to watch out for aeroplanes to avoid accidents, they are trying to discourage people from giving out misleading and inaccurate rape prevention advice. There is a secondary reason for it, which is to do with the self blame aspect of PTSD, which is supposedly more accentuated for female rape victims - its theorized that this might be because of a proliferation of patronizing and amateur risk prevention advice that's bas… | /r/MensRights | 03/08/13 05:33 PM |
| -6 | now surely advising people to avoid wearing certain items of clothing to avoid violence is nothing but victim blaming ?? ( sarcasm of course )Did you know that children can minimise the risk of being raped by their aunts if they take proper precautions? For example, wearing long sleeves all the time, not wearing shorts and always staying in a locked room can minimise risk. | /r/MensRights | 03/08/13 05:02 PM |
| -1 | now surely advising people to avoid wearing certain items of clothing to avoid violence is nothing but victim blaming ?? ( sarcasm of course )You are making the mistake in thinking they notice what you do. They are looking for psychological markers like submissiveness and low self esteem, not the brash, centre of attention that you would notice. Thats why childhood abuse is a predictor for being raped later in life. | /r/MensRights | 03/08/13 04:41 PM |
| -4 | now surely advising people to avoid wearing certain items of clothing to avoid violence is nothing but victim blaming ?? ( sarcasm of course )You don't seem to know what their argument is at all, otherwise you wouldn't have made that post. Can you describe the reasoning behind the anti victim blaming movement and the argument against telling women not to wear x, y and z? | /r/MensRights | 03/08/13 04:25 PM |
| -3 | now surely advising people to avoid wearing certain items of clothing to avoid violence is nothing but victim blaming ?? ( sarcasm of course )So, predators are looking for the people that most people can see, will watch, notice and remember ... right. | /r/MensRights | 03/08/13 04:24 PM |
| 1 | now surely advising people to avoid wearing certain items of clothing to avoid violence is nothing but victim blaming ?? ( sarcasm of course )How are these comparable? Telling women not to wear x or y doesn't reduce rape because rape happens in all sorts of circumstances and psychological vulnerabilities are what predators are looking for, while wearing sectarian colours in a culture of sectarian violence obviously is going to provoke sectarian violence. | /r/MensRights | 03/08/13 04:04 PM |
| -5 | now surely advising people to avoid wearing certain items of clothing to avoid violence is nothing but victim blaming ?? ( sarcasm of course )Do you know what their argument against victim blaming is and the reasoning behind it? | /r/MensRights | 03/08/13 03:58 PM |
| 2 | Update to Post "My friend has been falsely accused of rape..."Long story, left a few times. | /r/MensRights | 03/08/13 03:35 PM |
| -2 | now surely advising people to avoid wearing certain items of clothing to avoid violence is nothing but victim blaming ?? ( sarcasm of course )So you are saying that women should be told not to wear certain clothes because there is a culture of rape in the same way there is a culture of sectarian violence between rangers and celtic fans? So you are saying there is a rape culture that is provoked by certain types of clothes ... Do you know what their victim blaming argument is about? | /r/MensRights | 03/08/13 03:33 PM |
| 1 | Update to Post "My friend has been falsely accused of rape..."2 years on this sub under various usernames actually. That's why I'm familiar with that trolls style. | /r/MensRights | 03/08/13 02:52 PM |
| 1 | This sub was built as a forum to talk between feminists and mra'sSorry, I confused it with another sub reddit. | /r/MensRights | 02/08/13 06:07 PM |
| 2 | This sub was built as a forum to talk between feminists and mra'sI don't think it was at all. The people that made it know that talking to average feminists has no real point. | /r/MensRights | 02/08/13 09:07 AM |
| 1 | Feminism and MRA subreddit idea.So you hate successful capitalists, but only when they are white, but that's not patriarchy theory. Patriarchy theory, like international jewry implicates all men. | /r/MensRights | 01/08/13 06:41 PM |
| 12 | Feminism and MRA subreddit idea.How can you believe that conspiracy theory and not hate men on some level? | /r/MensRights | 01/08/13 04:09 PM |
| 12 | Feminism and MRA subreddit idea.Feminists aren't interested in speaking to mra's. Your idea has been tried once a week for decades now. What has to happen is that we break feminism to the point that the mens movement and men are taken seriously and treated equally in the gender debate arena. | /r/MensRights | 01/08/13 03:54 PM |
| -8 | Update to Post "My friend has been falsely accused of rape..."Troll. | /r/MensRights | 31/07/13 07:40 PM |
| 18 | "No boys allowed" - Feminists bait user even after mention of potential suicideFeminists have been treating men like that for ever, its because of that behaviour that there has to be a movement to dismantle feminism in order to make way for an inclusive movement. I see "men's rights" not as a movement but a reaction to the feminist movement, Whats wrong with reacting to misandric laws and polices that are promoted by feminism? It would seem to be the logical outcome. | /r/MensRights | 30/07/13 09:05 PM |
| 3 | Questions from a feministWhat do you think is wrong with feminism? Covering up and misleading about rape and abuse is one example of feminism being very wrong. | /r/MensRights | 30/07/13 08:38 PM |
| 1 | Questions from a feministRead this http://www.amazon.com/Legalizing-Misandry-Systemic-Discrimination-Against/dp/0773528628 | /r/MensRights | 30/07/13 08:36 PM |
| 1 | The hypocrisy of "rape culture" and "slut shaming."Why do you think other groups of feminists would parody another feminist group's poster campaign from Canada? I hate the way we (mra's) just make things up as we go along instead of finding out whats actually going on and working from there. | /r/MensRights | 30/07/13 06:05 PM |
| 1 | How do feminists who insist that (for guys) "sex is about power/dominance, not pleasure" get around the plethora of guys who are into being kinkily dominated in various ways?FemDom isn't a fetish, a fetish involves an inanimate object, leather for example. I was aware that feminists say rape is about power and domination, and they are probably right where it comes to sociopaths ... | /r/MensRights | 30/07/13 04:15 PM |
| 0 | Why can't paternity tests just be a matter of law in hospitals when a baby is born.So the idea is the hospital acts as some sort of mandatory Jerry Springer show? | /r/MensRights | 30/07/13 12:08 AM |
| 0 | Why can't paternity tests just be a matter of law in hospitals when a baby is born.Its still not a hospitals job to root out infidelity. | /r/MensRights | 30/07/13 12:07 AM |
| 1 | The hypocrisy of "rape culture" and "slut shaming."The sarcastic teach men not to rape flyer is a sarcastic parody of people that give out patronizing rape prevention tips and see the issue as being a matter of women not following rules. We have tended to think its literal, and know very little about this rape culture thing that we keep going on and on about. They are trying to change the framing of rape prevention from telling women to be on a permanent rape prevention schedule where everything they do, even choosing their clothes relates to ra… | /r/MensRights | 29/07/13 08:54 AM |
| -3 | Why can't paternity tests just be a matter of law in hospitals when a baby is born.They aren't going to be legally required to though, because they are hospitals and hospitals don't real with relationship issues. | /r/MensRights | 29/07/13 08:52 AM |
| -2 | Why can't paternity tests just be a matter of law in hospitals when a baby is born.They deal with grief situations relating to medical issues and death, not relationship issues. I can think of much better ways to de-incentive paternity fraud - legal paternal surrender for one example. | /r/MensRights | 28/07/13 11:36 PM |
| -4 | Why can't paternity tests just be a matter of law in hospitals when a baby is born.So you think that hospitals should expand to facilitate these Jerry Springer situations, and have trained psychologists on standby and so on? | /r/MensRights | 28/07/13 08:36 PM |
| -7 | Why can't paternity tests just be a matter of law in hospitals when a baby is born.Sure, but its still not a maternity hospitals job to deal with paternity fraud. | /r/MensRights | 28/07/13 07:01 PM |
| -2 | Why can't paternity tests just be a matter of law in hospitals when a baby is born.It would be easy for maternity hospitals to deal with potentially explosive relationship drama and heartbreak? | /r/MensRights | 28/07/13 07:00 PM |
| -5 | Why can't paternity tests just be a matter of law in hospitals when a baby is born.You think hospitals are the best place to tell men they are the victims of paternity fraud and host the associated drama? | /r/MensRights | 28/07/13 06:59 PM |
| -11 | Why can't paternity tests just be a matter of law in hospitals when a baby is born.Yeah but it would lead to families breaking up, hospitals aren't going to get involved with that. | /r/MensRights | 28/07/13 05:35 PM |
| -9 | Why can't paternity tests just be a matter of law in hospitals when a baby is born.Its still foolish for hospitals to take responsibility for testing though. | /r/MensRights | 28/07/13 05:34 PM |
| -10 | Why can't paternity tests just be a matter of law in hospitals when a baby is born.Sure, but it still makes more sense for the hospitals not to be involved in that. | /r/MensRights | 28/07/13 05:34 PM |
| 1 | Why can't paternity tests just be a matter of law in hospitals when a baby is born.I think the base line estimate is 1 in 10 and as high is 30% in some areas. Paternity tests at the hospital would also lead to established families breaking up. | /r/MensRights | 28/07/13 04:36 PM |
| -7 | Why can't paternity tests just be a matter of law in hospitals when a baby is born.because maternity wards would become chaotic and families would start of dysfunctional. | /r/MensRights | 28/07/13 03:56 PM |
| 2 | "Do Colleges Care More About Rapists Than About Rape Victims?" asks Amanda Marcotte at AlternetShe is difficult to read because you never know whether her clams are true or not. | /r/MensRights | 28/07/13 10:15 AM |
| 2 | If you believe in equality would a feminist let you be a member of their forumI hope somewhere there's a feminist subculture where this isn't true. Hoff Sommers, McElroy, Paglia etc ... they are labelled anti-feminists by the mainstream of the movement though. | /r/MensRights | 28/07/13 09:23 AM |
| 3 | If you believe in equality would a feminist let you be a member of their forumEquality has different meanings. To feminists it means coercing equal outcomes. | /r/MensRights | 28/07/13 08:51 AM |
| 2 | Really interesting post in r/confession about consent and why it's more complicated than "no means no"No,Im not coming at it from the perspective of reducing rape. I am left confused as to why you keep saying "we" don't understanding rape culture. Im saying that because you were asking basic questions about it, and we - mras - typically know very little about it. | /r/MensRights | 27/07/13 11:00 PM |
| 2 | Really interesting post in r/confession about consent and why it's more complicated than "no means no"I don't understand your complaint then The complaints I made were asides, pointing out that we should at least know a little about rape culture given we go on about it so much. Are you saying that feminists believe that pointing out that women sometimes use token resistance to be promoting rape culture? Fuck. Yes, they believe that rapes are more likely to happen when people believe that resistance is tolken, so they want people to believe that no always means no, instead of well it might really… | /r/MensRights | 27/07/13 09:22 PM |
| 1 | Really interesting post in r/confession about consent and why it's more complicated than "no means no"Ah, yeah if you want to know what it all means you have ask knowledgeable feminists or do your own research. | /r/MensRights | 27/07/13 08:30 PM |
| 1 | Really interesting post in r/confession about consent and why it's more complicated than "no means no"Yeah I know what Farrells point is. I know what they are saying too. Your speculation about hidden tactics is just speculation. | /r/MensRights | 27/07/13 08:29 PM |
| 0 | Really interesting post in r/confession about consent and why it's more complicated than "no means no"No. They don't want people putting out the message that no is tolken because they theorize it leads to rapes happening. So they would see Farrell comments as promoting an aspect of rape culture that leads to rapes happening - non tolken nos not being taken seriously and assumed they are tolken, for example. When it comes to this rape culture thing, its our comprehension thats lacking. | /r/MensRights | 27/07/13 07:14 PM |
| 1 | Really interesting post in r/confession about consent and why it's more complicated than "no means no"Yeah, the modern rape culture theory is based in the idea that gender roles cause confusion that leads to getting around no being the the norm. On of those roles would be women not being supposed to like sex, and saying no when they mean yes, and men sometimes thinking a real no is tolken and something to be got around. Women are socialized to gatekeep, men are socialized to get around the gate and in that dynamic rapes happen by accident - that's basically how the describe rape culture in ameri… | /r/MensRights | 27/07/13 06:27 PM |
| 1 | Really interesting post in r/confession about consent and why it's more complicated than "no means no"What do you mean what you have seen? | /r/MensRights | 27/07/13 06:26 PM |
| 2 | Really interesting post in r/confession about consent and why it's more complicated than "no means no"Yeah they already know that. Their rape culture theory says that because women put up token resistance and are supposed to not like sex that getting around no is seen as part of normal sexual relations, which leads to rapes happening by accident. | /r/MensRights | 27/07/13 02:43 PM |
| 3 | Refreshing viewpoints from the commenters at /r/feminism. Feminists aren't all bad.Fucks sake. I didn't say that every single organization tailored toward women lying about statistics. I said that every feminist abuse information outlet gives out false information on abuse. They all present the patriarchy theory narrative instead of the truth - that abuse is largely gendered. | /r/MensRights | 25/07/13 06:20 PM |
| 4 | Refreshing viewpoints from the commenters at /r/feminism. Feminists aren't all bad.Yes all feminist abuse information outlets and intervention services have been lying about abuse since the 1970s. "All"? This is what I don't get You don't get that patriarchy theory states that abuse is largely gendered and way of keeping women down and that feminist information and services are tailored to that radical theory? | /r/MensRights | 25/07/13 04:52 PM |
| 4 | Refreshing viewpoints from the commenters at /r/feminism. Feminists aren't all bad.Experience and the knowledge that all feminist information outlets and abuse services lie about abuse and discriminate against men in some way. | /r/MensRights | 25/07/13 04:46 PM |
| 6 | Refreshing viewpoints from the commenters at /r/feminism. Feminists aren't all bad.They don't consciously support lieing about abuse rates and discrimination. but if I asked them to provide the feminist data and show feminist abuse groups they support, they would refer to me to lies and discriminatory groups. | /r/MensRights | 25/07/13 04:37 PM |
| 8 | Refreshing viewpoints from the commenters at /r/feminism. Feminists aren't all bad.I don't think he is saying that your gf and other follower feminists actively want to marginalize men - its more like part and parcel of being a feminist involves supporting things that marginalize men, for example the most well meaning of feminists support feminist abuse intervention and awareness services - and these systems discriminate against men and lie about abuse rates to depict abuse as mainly male and victimization as mainly female. | /r/MensRights | 25/07/13 04:24 PM |
| 1 | I’ll decide if you were raped, not youOk, I suspect you will be pointing to ideological differences within the same problematic ideology. | /r/MensRights | 25/07/13 01:34 PM |
| 2 | Question for you MRAs from a scepticYou should give this a read http://www.dottal.org/LBDUK//male%20as%20nigger.htm | /r/MensRights | 25/07/13 08:36 AM |
| 4 | Question for you MRAs from a scepticOn average women wield more power, they control all things reproduction related, can take the family home and have the man evicted at any time. The wage gap is in illusion created by married women working less in the strength of the fact they are accessing half the income stream of their partner, measuring young never married women against young never married men the women on average are paid significantly more. Women make up the majority of voters. Perhaps you should be more skeptical about you… | /r/MensRights | 25/07/13 08:30 AM |
| 2 | I’ll decide if you were raped, not youYes Negative, ghost rider. Pattern is full. This isn't food for "thought" this is food for "knee-jerk reactions." | /r/MensRights | 25/07/13 08:22 AM |
| 0 | I’ll decide if you were raped, not youShow me a feminist that doesn't believe that rape and domestic violence plays out according to feminist theories and manipulated data, or is objecting to feminism obstructing shared parenting and misrepresenting rape and abuse as masculine. Doesn't really matter what the majority of follower feminists think, they generally don't even know that feminist jurisprudence is very influential in family law or that feminism maintains its positions on domestic violence and rape by covering up female perp… | /r/MensRights | 25/07/13 08:21 AM |
| 7 | I’ll decide if you were raped, not youIve messaged the mods ... | /r/MensRights | 24/07/13 07:42 PM |
| 3 | I’ll decide if you were raped, not youI have re-posted it on /r/foodforthought for you. Usually its better to post things you would like to see elsewhere yourself. Most people wouldn't be bothered doing it for you. | /r/MensRights | 24/07/13 07:24 PM |
| 0 | Do men's rights only extend to straight men?Yes. | /r/MensRights | 24/07/13 06:23 PM |
| -3 | I’ll decide if you were raped, not youbut that would draw no controversy ... | /r/MensRights | 24/07/13 06:10 PM |
| 2 | I’ll decide if you were raped, not youTheir victim blaming of men, yes pointing that out is good. When mra's try to debate their arguments about victim blaming female rape victims and start issuing rape prevention advice - that is what I'm saying is noise - its just a quagmire. Have you noticed that as well as having an official policy not to recognise envelopment as rape, the rape culture theory acknowledges that they idea that men don't have consent because they are supposedly always ready is part of rape culture? Same thing with … | /r/MensRights | 24/07/13 05:27 PM |
| 1 | Is the Good Men Project run by feminists or MRAs?The part about the capital is unsubstantiated and denied as far as I know, the only part of the theory that was built up around it that there is evidence for is that Ms. Mag did endorse them in an article back when they were courting the media for their launch. | /r/MensRights | 24/07/13 05:21 PM |
| 25 | I’ll decide if you were raped, not youOwiny may want to consult with Koss, as according to her worldview those men likely weren’t raped, but the banana trees were. Classic! This is the way to go. IMO, fuck all the usual mra noise about their victim blaming and rape prevention tipstering arguments, we don't really understand them anyway - stick to the fact that feminism is deliberately covering up rape and roiling back important legal rights. | /r/MensRights | 24/07/13 02:17 PM |
| 1 | Men’s Rights: We Don’t Want ThemThe moderator has made an informal false accusation relating to rape against me and seems to have decided not to allow me to respond ... edit - they have since deleted their false accusation relating to rape, and deleted all my comments there along with it! | /r/MensRights | 24/07/13 02:08 PM |
| 0 | Is the Good Men Project run by feminists or MRAs?Yeah, he did identify as a feminist in the casual way, although he did not know what modern feminists are actually like. The magazine did not start out as a front for feminism as mra's like to theorize. It was slowly turned from Toms original idea into the strongly biased, progressive feminist run publication that it is now. To him, feminists were the obvious people to invite in, just as they are the obvious choice for all people that don't actually know what they are really like and what the mo… | /r/MensRights | 24/07/13 01:19 PM |
| 0 | Is the Good Men Project run by feminists or MRAs?No. Matlack was a guy that was marketing a book, a sort of collection of real stories, Hickey was an online social media marketer and they ended up starting a publication, they allowed and invited feminists in, feminists co-opted it. Mra's made up a conspiracy theory about it being a front for NOW. | /r/MensRights | 24/07/13 12:54 PM |
| 10 | Men’s Rights: We Don’t Want ThemFeminism didn't want mens problems and wanted to keep them off the radar in the equality movement, so the logical outcome of that is the destruction of that aspect of feminism by the men's movement. | /r/MensRights | 24/07/13 12:42 PM |
| 4 | What will we concede to Men's Rights?The past treatment of genders has led a large amount of society to assume that men have it too easy, and some people take it upon themselves to use their own brand of justice to even things out. (Like the crazy feminists. I think this is more down to feminist propaganda, revisionist history and spin than it is accurate history. | /r/MensRights | 24/07/13 11:42 AM |
| 1 | What will we concede to Men's Rights?I "concede" that they have some stuff right with their their modern rape culture stuff, obviously they are totally wrong in framing sex criminality as masculine, rolling back important civil rights, covering up the prevalence of female perpetrated sex criminality and trying to bully male abuse victims (what about teh menz lol!!). I put concede in scare quotes because I think finding out what its about and accepting whats right and wrong about it is a bare minimum. The main problem with negotiati… | /r/MensRights | 24/07/13 09:41 AM |
| 1 | Is the Good Men Project run by feminists or MRAs?Not true at all. | /r/MensRights | 24/07/13 08:20 AM |
| 5 | New sub: /r/blamethevictim - because I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO SECURE MY VALUABLES. Hope you enjoy.Stupid fuck, you don't understand the victim blaming argument. Its perfectly fine for them to try to stop idiots lecturing people with self blame and guilt related mental injuries about what they should have and shouldn't have done and/or framing rape as failures to not wear the right clothes and so on. | /r/MensRights | 23/07/13 09:12 PM |
| 6 | Is the Good Men Project run by feminists or MRAs?No, it wasn't. Thats just some conspiracy theory bullshit that we made up. | /r/MensRights | 23/07/13 05:31 PM |
| 8 | Is the Good Men Project run by feminists or MRAs?It was co-opted by feminists. | /r/MensRights | 23/07/13 03:36 PM |
| 1 | How could sperm jacking not be considered a form of rape?Spermjacking is humorous a term that feminists use to make light of reproductive abuse. | /r/MensRights | 23/07/13 03:31 PM |
| 2 | How could sperm jacking not be considered a form of rape?Would you ever see a feminist thread about cuntjacking? If you think reproductive abuse is serious, why are you using the term feminists use to make light of it? | /r/MensRights | 23/07/13 07:51 AM |
| 1 | Question on the rejection of gender rolesWhen we point to workplace deaths, its more to demonstrate how feminists are wrong about their theories, their cherry picking and the other side of the story. There are already rights groups that protect workers safety. The issue with domestic violence is to do with feminism covering up data, and demonizing and legislating against men in the basis of its lies about the way domestic violence plays out. | /r/MensRights | 23/07/13 06:50 AM |
| 1 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.I'm not saying they are intentionally pushing the idea that women should have no responsibility which I've told you many times now, Many times, you have claimed that their position is that any and all prevention advice is wrong. Can you not answer the question, if you think they want women to have no responsibility for their personal safety (you base this on a misunderstanding of the victim blaming theory and arguments), then why are they trying to create prevention advice and risk management st… | /r/MensRights | 23/07/13 06:15 AM |
| 1 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.So can you answer, you spiteful group thinker? If as per your too ridiculous sounding to be true assertions, you are correct and they are advocating that women should have no responsibility for their own personal safety and any and all prevention advice is victim blaming and therefore wrong, why is the movement developing prevention advice for women based on a blend between the predator theory data, and rape culture theory? Is it some sort of double bluff to hide the real aganda? | /r/MensRights | 22/07/13 09:09 PM |
| 1 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.Sure, we have spent all these hours arguing about the difference between your impressions of what its all about, and what its actually all about, and I have no idea what you believe about their positions. | /r/MensRights | 22/07/13 08:02 PM |
| 1 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.Can you answer why they are at odds between advising women on rape prevention based on predator theory or rape culture theory and so are trying to do something in between that covers both, if their position is that any and all rape prevention advise for women is victim blaming and they are working to make women to not take responsibility for their own rape prevention as per your ludicrous theory? And go ahead and keep dropping my old user name because you know I'd rather you didn't you spiteful … | /r/MensRights | 22/07/13 03:23 PM |
| 1 | Hi Men's Rights. Sorry to disturb the circle jerk, but care to look at this from a global perspective? Here's a video of someone fighting for her right, her freedom, against religious (and mostly male) oppression where it really matters. Definitely no first world problem, right?The sexual oppression of women is female in origin, the male involvement is basically manginas carrying out the wishes of women. http://psycnet.apa.org/index.cfm?fa=buy.optionToBuy&id=2002-02996-003 Plus, whatever the country and whatever hardships there are there or women, they are shielded from the worst of it because their gender. | /r/MensRights | 22/07/13 01:45 PM |
| 1 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.I know, that's sort of the point. It doesn't matter to you that your theories sound too ridiculous to be true, and that the facts on the ground contradict them. You just stick your fingers you ears. That's what group thinkers do. | /r/MensRights | 22/07/13 01:15 PM |
| 1 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.Sure, you will argue for days insisting that your nonsense beliefs about an agenda to make any and all rape preventive measures for women wrong, are factual. You don't know the meaning of these rape culture arguments and work off made up, ridiculous sounding theories instead - this is just noise. Yet I'm the crazy one. You're a group thinker, just like them. | /r/MensRights | 22/07/13 12:07 PM |
| 1 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.Oh yes, its a conspiracy to make all women paranoid of all men as rapists. The Laisk /miller predator theory data, that says its just a small group of personality disordered men that engage in behaviours like testing and violating others boundaries and manipulating circumstances to isolate people, is just a really, really elaborate cover. Indeed, we should peruse this sort of thinking, that's what productive ... ps. better attack any outsiders that point out our thinking is a little off and to v… | /r/MensRights | 21/07/13 05:27 PM |
| 1 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.Thats right, people here are too married to the sort of nonsense theories about the meaning of their theories that you believe in and group think being what it is, people that interrupt it are attacked. | /r/MensRights | 21/07/13 05:23 PM |
| 1 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.Appeal to popularity. I know that the people here prefer to engage in conspiracy theories about these things, and attack me for explaining the actual meaning behind these things. Thats why I go to the trouble of explaining, because I hope the group think with stop and because the ridiculous and hysterical theories are a fucking waste of time. Fucks sake, as if a movement would argue that any and all rape prevention efforts on the part of women are wrong and victim blaming, are we really that fuc… | /r/MensRights | 21/07/13 04:20 PM |
| 1 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.Ah, rewriting history. We have spent hours arguing about your lunatic ideas and impressions about what the victim blaming and anti rape prevention tipsering agendas are. You work off unlikely theories that mra's have made up about their theories and things that trolls say. | /r/MensRights | 21/07/13 04:17 PM |
| 1 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.Until the next time you are wasting everyone's time by insisting there exists some bizarre agendas to make any and all rape prevention wrong, or remove women's responsibility to keep themselves safe? Is there no thought in your head telling you that these things are so unlikely and bizarre that they couldn't possibly be true, that would lead to try to find out what the actual meaning is? | /r/MensRights | 21/07/13 03:18 PM |
| 1 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.Ah, a new theory to keep the old theories making sense. | /r/MensRights | 21/07/13 03:13 PM |
| 1 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.Sure, but if you are insisting on bizarre, made up agendas to remove women's responsibility to keep themselves safe, and that they are trying to make all rape prevention for women wrong, then you are just repeating bizarre conspiracy theories. | /r/MensRights | 21/07/13 03:03 PM |
| 1 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.Right, its rape prevention advice geared towards filtering out potential predators that could be more specific so as not to confuse people. They have made it not too specific for their own reasons. They are not advancing an agenda to conflate normal behaviour and rape, they are not running a movement to remove women's responsibility to keep themselves safe, the position is not that any and all rape prevention and risk minimization is wrong. These positions are our own conspiracy theories. | /r/MensRights | 21/07/13 03:00 PM |
| 1 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.We had fought for days because you believe in agendas to take away women's responsibility to practise personal safety and your belief that feminism is advocating that and all rape prevention advice is wrong. These are the unlikely things you adamantly insist feminism is working towards. Conspiracy theories that we have invented. | /r/MensRights | 21/07/13 02:54 PM |
| 1 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.Right. Conspiracy theories, spite, charges of mental illness ... where have I seen this before? | /r/MensRights | 21/07/13 02:48 PM |
| 1 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.Right, they are giving rape prevention advice for spotting people that deliberately violate others boundaries to use those behaviours as red flags, that could be more specific (they have their reasons for being reluctant to fully base the advise around these personality disordered people), so as not to confuse dim and naive people. The issue isn't that they are deliberately creating fear or deliberately defining normal behaviour as wrong, thats just mra hysteria. Likewise, the nonsense about age… | /r/MensRights | 21/07/13 02:44 PM |
| 1 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.and you knowing full well that I didn't want my old user name mentioned, mentioned it again out of spite. Now you pretending that's not what's happening here. You deliberately crossing a boundary out of spite - that's about as rational as your fighting for days to defend the nonsensical and unlikely theory that there is an agenda to remove women's responsibility to keep themselves safe, and that feminism is against any and all rape prevention advice. | /r/MensRights | 21/07/13 02:30 PM |
| 1 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.Its confusing to everyone here, nobody knows what its getting at. Its getting at identifying people that deliberately violate and test others boundaries and don't respect boundaries in the way most people do - so that they can better identify potential predators. Its rape prevention advice inspired by Liask / Millers predator theory. | /r/MensRights | 21/07/13 01:16 PM |
| 1 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.Don't rewrite history. I asked you not to drop my old user name and asked you to delete it, you refused to delete it and now you have dropped it after I specifically asked you to respect that boundary. | /r/MensRights | 21/07/13 01:13 PM |
| 1 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.Yeah, you don't understand what their victim blaming, prevention tipstering or that rape prevention advice from RAINN is about. | /r/MensRights | 21/07/13 01:06 PM |
| 1 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.Anyhow, I don't want to get into days of arguing with you. You should just go and find out what their theories are and whats real and whats not about mra's are saying about them. | /r/MensRights | 21/07/13 01:01 PM |
| 1 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.You are advancing theories about their theories as if they are facts. These silly theories get in the way of effectively dealing with the facts and weak spots. | /r/MensRights | 21/07/13 12:58 PM |
| 1 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.Yeah whatever, I see where this is going This is where the facts don't fit your theories, and you get aggressive and start dropping my old user name because you know I'd rather you didn't. | /r/MensRights | 21/07/13 12:56 PM |
| 1 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.No, its part of their campaign to marry predator theory and rape culture theory and offer prevention advice thats tailored to fit the two theories. Endlessly mapping hysterical theories that its all a conspiracy to spread fear, or take agency away and take women's responsibility to keep themselves safe away or whatever, just gets in the way of dealing with it effectively. | /r/MensRights | 21/07/13 12:46 PM |
| 1 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.So, if I made a friendly glace at you, and stared at you in a way that was intruding, there would be no difference. If I asked you if you wanted to leave a party with me, and I just arranged things so that you found yourself alone with me, there is no difference. You don't understand what that rape prevention advice is getting at. | /r/MensRights | 21/07/13 12:41 PM |
| 1 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.No. Its more than rape paranoia. They are conspiring to take women's agency away, nothing more!! They are conspiring to remove women's responsibility to keep themselves safe, nothing more!! These are mra's narratives and conspiracy theories that we have invented to try to make sense of something that is very nuanced. The hysterical conspiracy theories and simplistic explanations just get in the way of actually dealing with the real problems. | /r/MensRights | 21/07/13 12:35 PM |
| 1 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.Yeah, its perfectly normal to want to spend time alone with people that want time alone with you, and to arrange it with them. These two people know they have attraction and want alone time. Its absolutely not normal for one person to be manipulating things so that they have someone alone, and they just suddenly find themselves isolated. | /r/MensRights | 21/07/13 12:31 PM |
| 1 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.It even says that accidental touches and stares and revealing personal information is something to be seen with sinister and nefarious intent! Yeah, I've traveled a bit alone in African countries and been approached by confidence tricksters and people looking to roll someone many times. I know the difference between a natural meeting and an unnatural one. When people over share, over touch, over stare, are over familiar, are over friendly ... big red flags for me. | /r/MensRights | 21/07/13 12:25 PM |
| 1 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.Yeah, normal behaviour is two people making and arrangement to be alone together, both knowing they want alone time. Not normal is one person arranging things so that the other one is isolated because they have an agenda the other isn't really aware of or has agreed to. | /r/MensRights | 21/07/13 12:19 PM |
| 1 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.So if I come into your space and intrude on your level of comfort and ignore the fact I'm crossing your boundaries, and the later arrange things so that you are isolated from your friends I am behaving normally. I don't think you understand the context of what you are reading. | /r/MensRights | 21/07/13 11:56 AM |
| 2 | Mods have now reduced subreddit /r/TheRedPill to a circlejerk, banning users who disagree with themlol Perhaps the men's movement should have a confidence / self esteem building section, CBT techniques and so on. | /r/MensRights | 21/07/13 11:24 AM |
| 0 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.Trolling in this case = not buying into your group think. | /r/MensRights | 21/07/13 09:13 AM |
| 1 | Mods have now reduced subreddit /r/TheRedPill to a circlejerk, banning users who disagree with themFaux alpha, ideological group thinkers. Game theory is like feminism. | /r/MensRights | 21/07/13 09:11 AM |
| -1 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.D/s sex works by arrangement and mutual consent, I've been doing it for years and that's how it works. They imagine all sex should work in the same way. Yeah, I know its impractical for them to say every escalation should have verbal consent. I'm not agreeing with them on it. They don't really have data that shows that rapes are happening this way (by miss-communication), the only data they have is the predator theory data, which shows that its a small group of personality disordered men deliber… | /r/MensRights | 20/07/13 08:58 PM |
| 0 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.I use similar prevention techniques. Anyone that over stares, over shares, is over friendly, is over touchy, tests my boundries right off the bat is a red flag to me. How would you advise them to avoid potentially dangerous people? | /r/MensRights | 20/07/13 05:27 PM |
| -2 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.Yeah, that's where they are doing their rape culture thing. They are marrying predator theory and rape culture theory in that advice. Rape culture theory says that most rapes are miscommunications where the guy is assertive about getting around the gate, and girl isn't assertive about her gate keeping because of gender roles. So they think it can be avoided by people checking with each other for consent. | /r/MensRights | 20/07/13 05:23 PM |
| -2 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.Sorry. They have a hidden agenda stop women taking responsibility for their own safety. They believe that all prevention advise is victim blaming that that prevention advice from RAINN that offers way to minimise risk and spot a potential predator on a case by case basis is really just a bluff. There, I bought into some of the strawmen, so Im no longer a traitor. | /r/MensRights | 20/07/13 03:14 PM |
| 1 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.The intent is the same. I use similar prevention strategies myself. I'm instantly wary of over familiar people that test my boundaries and build instant rapport and trust. Would you prefer they told women the culture was such that wearing the wrong skirt could make rape jump out? | /r/MensRights | 20/07/13 12:40 PM |
| -2 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.cant understand any of that, They are trying to make a distinction between normal behaviour, and the over familiarity and boundary testing of someone with a PD - that part is related to predator theory - the idea that small number of manipulative, personality disordered men commit most of the rapes of women. This is a different sort of prevention advice from "if you wear the wrong skirt rape might jump out", they want them to be assessing situations on a case by case basis. So all that stuff tha… | /r/MensRights | 20/07/13 11:17 AM |
| -3 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.I don't seem to belong to you. You are acting like we are in a cult, where in if I disagree with mra's that think its reasonable to teach women the culture is so full of rape, that its reasonable to advise them to disguise the fact their car is female owned, it means I'm a traitor. | /r/MensRights | 20/07/13 10:56 AM |
| 1 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.Here is the response to what you wrote. What is your logic, because I have not used my blog since 2012 it makes it more likely that I'm a traitor to the cause? | /r/MensRights | 20/07/13 10:54 AM |
| -1 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.Do you believe that advice should revolve around what mra;s tend to give out? Getting dressed, oh better not wear that, because rapists! In the car, better not leave that girly thing on the seat of my car, because rapists! I've to go across a part of town with elevated crime to do something, better not - because rapists! etc. I prefer they are given information that helps them single out people that have personality disorder, rather than teaching them that they should be navigating the entire cu… | /r/MensRights | 20/07/13 10:48 AM |
| 0 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.There is that cult mentality again. I cannot belong if I disagree with an aspect. | /r/MensRights | 20/07/13 10:39 AM |
| 0 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.So, if I disagree with mra's that believe we should teach women that the culture is so full of rape its reasonable to advise them to avoid identifying their car as female owned, and wearing short skirts and prefer that women be taught about spotting people with personality disorder on a case by case basis like Dr T does for men, I'm a traitor to the cause? | /r/MensRights | 20/07/13 10:37 AM |
| 1 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.Yeah, on a normal date, both people have arranged some somewhat intimate time together, touching might be appropriate. And someone new being overly touchy and overstepping in that way while not on a date, is potentially someone that might violate boundaries in other ways. I don't trust over familiar people either. | /r/MensRights | 20/07/13 10:32 AM |
| 1 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.No, its not the progression of a normal date, the people on a normal date, both know they are on a date and you don't arrange things so one person finds themselves suddenly isolated without prior arrangement. | /r/MensRights | 20/07/13 10:16 AM |
| 1 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.My blog is A Catalogue of Lies. I should be able to be an mra and simultaneously disagree with mra's on a couple of issues and still be an mra, we aren't a cult. If a woman were to follow recent rape prevention advice I've seen here, they would have to get up in the morning and make sure she wasn't to going to show too much skin and make sure her car can't be identified as female owned to reduce risk, its a good idea to start the day thinking about being raped! This is the sort of thing that swe… | /r/MensRights | 20/07/13 09:49 AM |
| -2 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.When Dr T, gives out similar information to men on spotting women with BPD and NPD, its the same thing. Someone could read what she says and make the same arguments. Rape prevention advice for women should revolve around spotting individual men with personality disorders, same goes for everyone. If you are empowered to spot people with PD traits and trust your instinct, you can avoid them. | /r/MensRights | 20/07/13 09:24 AM |
| 2 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.When Dr. T gives out advice to men on spotting women that have personality disorders so they can avoid them, she is describing traits, situations and behaviors that could be mistaken for normal behaviour if you used the same methods you did there. | /r/MensRights | 20/07/13 09:21 AM |
| 1 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.It could happen to a naive insecure person or someone that's intoxicated and so what if drugs are involved, the point of the advice is to give people more agency in these situations? They are trying to teach people to know and sense when they have been deliberately isolated by a predator. | /r/MensRights | 20/07/13 09:17 AM |
| -1 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.The movement I've been in for the last 5 years. Dr. T gives out similar information to that about knowing when you are dealing with someone with bpd and narcissism. | /r/MensRights | 20/07/13 09:14 AM |
| 1 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.Presumably because its better to show the whole progression to better illustrate how it works. | /r/MensRights | 20/07/13 09:13 AM |
| -2 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.No, its teaching women to sense when an individual man is being a psycho. Dr. T teaches men similar stuff about knowing when you are dealing with someone with BPD. | /r/MensRights | 20/07/13 09:12 AM |
| -1 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.I don't have anti mrm view, I just think when it comes to a certain area we are a bit dim. | /r/MensRights | 20/07/13 09:09 AM |
| -2 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.but all its wordings point to exactly that. So in your opinion a normal date involves the woman suddenly realizing she is isolated without prior arrangement and internal alarm bells going off? I can't believe how all this stuff about rape is so confusing to us. | /r/MensRights | 20/07/13 01:26 AM |
| -1 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.If a normal date, whats being described by RAINN isn't happening. If its a normal date the person knows they are on a date and possibly agrees to be alone and possibly agrees to have sex. | /r/MensRights | 20/07/13 01:21 AM |
| -15 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.We are so retarded on this. We go around under the misapprehension that feminists say all rape prevention advise is wrong and victim blaming and that they want just women to not be responsible for themselves, then we complain and totally misunderstand what's being said when they publish nuanced and common sense rape prevention advice that is attempting to help women know when the situation and person isn't right. | /r/MensRights | 20/07/13 01:15 AM |
| 0 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.That's why they published what they did isn't it, to help people know when something is not quite right. Anyway, you were taking about how someone reading that might be confused by it, I think they would have to be pretty dim not to know that its not describing a normal dating situation. | /r/MensRights | 20/07/13 01:04 AM |
| 0 | One of the top posts from r/trollxchromosomes. How dare someone gives advice, people just have to stop raping.Hey demonspawn, you can reduce your risk of being killed by a lightening bolt or other sudden power surge if you never take your shoes off and always wear rubber soles. | /r/MensRights | 20/07/13 12:58 AM |
| -7 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.You would have to be quite dim not to know the difference between a couple agreeing to be alone together for sex, and a psychopath that has orchestrated consent-less isolation through manipulation. I really wonder about our movement and its inability to grasp basic things. We should just stick to proving they are manipulating the stats. the victim blaming and more nuanced stuff they are saying is beyond us. | /r/MensRights | 20/07/13 12:53 AM |
| -5 | So I guess dating is "acquaintance rape". This shit is out of control.Surely you are talking about normal dating where someone has come back with after they asked you, because they want sex with you, the RAINN example is talking about someone that has been isolated without consent through deliberate manipulation with intent to rape? | /r/MensRights | 20/07/13 12:31 AM |
| 0 | One of the top posts from r/trollxchromosomes. How dare someone gives advice, people just have to stop raping.Do you know that the "teach men not to rape instead" sarcastic comeback is for patronizing guys like you that want to lecture women about how they should be going through this whole anti rape schedule to reduce their risk? Stop the white knighting, its not our job to try and get women to behave like they are under constant rape risk in a rape culture. Imagine if you had to listen to some patronizing idiot telling you that if you buy new shoes you can reduce your risk of falling and breaking your… | /r/MensRights | 19/07/13 10:09 PM |
| 0 | One of the top posts from r/trollxchromosomes. How dare someone gives advice, people just have to stop raping.Right. Schroedinger's rapist terror, caused by people like you that want to tell women that identifying as female is a rape risk. OOH, dont wear a skirt, dont put a pink thing in your car, don't drink ... because rapists! | /r/MensRights | 19/07/13 09:58 PM |
| 1 | One of the top posts from r/trollxchromosomes. How dare someone gives advice, people just have to stop raping.You think advising women not to identify their car as female owned is reasonable advice. You must imagine they live in some sort of rape culture in which they should go around in a permanent state of Schroedingers rapist terror. | /r/MensRights | 19/07/13 06:48 PM |
| 1 | One of the top posts from r/trollxchromosomes. How dare someone gives advice, people just have to stop raping.Yeah but if you are the sort of patronizing rape hysteric that thinks women need to be given that sort of advice, you have only yourself to blame when they sign up for rape culture and retort with sarcastic teach men not to rape instead comebacks. | /r/MensRights | 19/07/13 06:11 PM |
| 2 | UPDATED: Men's rights posters pop up in Saskatoon (AVFM posters all over Saskatoon!)Brilliant, the best media coverage yet! Whoever Alison Tieman is she put the points across very well. | /r/MensRights | 19/07/13 11:16 AM |
| 0 | SpermjackingYou wouldn't see a thread about rape in a feminist area called "cuntjacking" would you? | /r/MensRights | 19/07/13 10:22 AM |
| 0 | SpermjackingThe reasons I have given. | /r/MensRights | 19/07/13 10:20 AM |
| 1 | One of the top posts from r/trollxchromosomes. How dare someone gives advice, people just have to stop raping.You get the message not to put 2A stickers on your car or near your house as not to entice robbers to steal your guns when you aren't home - this is good advice that gun owners don't object to. Gun owners would object to unwanted, misleading and patronizing advice from people that don't really know the circumstances in which guns are generally stolen in - say they were advising you to put an alarm on your shed, instead of asking you not to advertise the fact you have a gun in the house, also the… | /r/MensRights | 19/07/13 10:09 AM |
| 0 | SpermjackingReporting this bullshit. | /r/MensRights | 19/07/13 10:05 AM |
| 1 | SpermjackingSpermjacking is a feminist term that is designed to make light of male targeted reproductive abuse. They say reproductive abuse is a joke when its male targeted, very rare and mra's imagine women are stealing sperm out of condoms on a regular baiss. In reality 1 in 10 men have caught their praters attempting reproductive abuse, and can be done in many ways. | /r/MensRights | 19/07/13 10:03 AM |
| -1 | AdviceAnimals commenst section goes full rape hysteria. TIL men are savage beasts who must be trained to not to rape everybody they see.Yeah, but after years of talking about rape culture, we should understand the basic reasoning and meaning behind the things that our opponents are saying, that we take issue with. As a group we spend far more time strawmanning things to do with rape culture, responding to sarcasm and srs type feminists poe trolling and giving out rape prevention advice like we are some white knight rape prevention group or advisory service than we do sticking to the simple and effective arguments against it. | /r/MensRights | 19/07/13 08:09 AM |
| -1 | AdviceAnimals commenst section goes full rape hysteria. TIL men are savage beasts who must be trained to not to rape everybody they see.We posted it on our sub and tend to be confused by the "tell women not to decorate their car, wear skirts, be out late" followed by the "yeah right tell men not to rape instead" thing. | /r/MensRights | 18/07/13 11:19 PM |
| 1 | Where can I find data on assaults, such as which demographic is most likely to be the victim of a crime like assault?Crime victimization surveys. | /r/MensRights | 18/07/13 06:29 PM |
| 1 | AdviceAnimals commenst section goes full rape hysteria. TIL men are savage beasts who must be trained to not to rape everybody they see.It's not only considered victim blaming in cases of rape, the victim blaming v's victim facilitation debate covers all crimes the main victim facilitation study, was done on murder victims. Rape advocates started campaigning against victim blaming rape because it was causing acute mental pain in people with PTSD after being raped. They are unsure whether the self blame / guilt part of the injury is (according to them) more pronounced because victim blaming of rape victims is more pronounced in t… | /r/MensRights | 18/07/13 06:10 PM |
| 1 | Feminism is slowly destroying itselfNarcissists of either gender are attractive to people of the opposite gender and have the ability to amass many partners, while treating them like shit. The PUA thing is a bit like feminism, only by looking at things through one eye do the theories seem correct. | /r/MensRights | 18/07/13 05:52 PM |
| 1 | Feminism is slowly destroying itselfAssertive people are more attractive than doormats regardless of gender, and that seemed to be a non sequitor response to If PUA theory was correct, and feminism is shit testing men, then mra's would attractive to feminists, because they pass the shit test. | /r/MensRights | 18/07/13 05:04 PM |
| 0 | AdviceAnimals commenst section goes full rape hysteria. TIL men are savage beasts who must be trained to not to rape everybody they see.No, but despite years of talking about "rape culture" and so on, we failed to understand why people would react badly and with sarcasm to a duck meme that is telling women that the culture is so full of rape that identifying a car as female owned is high rape risk. | /r/MensRights | 18/07/13 05:00 PM |
| 1 | AdviceAnimals commenst section goes full rape hysteria. TIL men are savage beasts who must be trained to not to rape everybody they see.Yeah, if x bad thing happened to you and then some idiot says that happened because you did x, its victim blaming. That person is not pretending that they as so oppressed they cant have a certain hairstyle without being brutally raped, they are saying "well if you are saying that if I do something normal like identify my car as being female owned, I'm putting myself at rape risk, perhaps its too much trouble being a girl /s". Its sarcasm. | /r/MensRights | 18/07/13 04:46 PM |
| 1 | AdviceAnimals commenst section goes full rape hysteria. TIL men are savage beasts who must be trained to not to rape everybody they see.Yeah I know those things are going on. Mra's tend to fail to get the connection between telling women that the culture is so full of rape that identifying their car as female owned or choosing to wear a skirt is high risk, and them signing up to fight against "rape culture". | /r/MensRights | 18/07/13 04:41 PM |
| 1 | AdviceAnimals commenst section goes full rape hysteria. TIL men are savage beasts who must be trained to not to rape everybody they see.Fuck. I was explaining to the other guy what the girl meant when she say it sounds like too much trouble being a girl (if identifying your car is female owned is allegedly a high risk activity). We have many idiots here that don't seem to know whats wrong with that meme. | /r/MensRights | 18/07/13 04:28 PM |
| 9 | One of the top posts from r/trollxchromosomes. How dare someone gives advice, people just have to stop raping.There is a slight difference between your example and dumbasses teaching women that the culture is so full of rape that normal stuff like deciding to wear a skirt and identifying a car as female owned is high risk, that's what drives them to rape culture feminism. As for victim blaming. "what did you expect, you wore a skirt". "People that wear skirts are asking for trouble". "You could have avoided that if you hadn't worn a skirt". That's what victim blaming is. Feminists actually give out far … | /r/MensRights | 18/07/13 04:23 PM |
| 0 | AdviceAnimals commenst section goes full rape hysteria. TIL men are savage beasts who must be trained to not to rape everybody they see.Yeah, obviously there is that side of the coin too, which is a different thing from women hearing "take it from me as a guy, the culture is such that if you [insert some normal behaviour like choosing a skirt that day or identifying your car as belonging to to a female] you risk rape". | /r/MensRights | 18/07/13 04:01 PM |
| 1 | Feminism is slowly destroying itselfIf PUA theory was correct, and feminism is shit testing men, then mra's would attractive to feminists, because they pass the shit test. | /r/MensRights | 18/07/13 03:46 PM |
| 0 | AdviceAnimals commenst section goes full rape hysteria. TIL men are savage beasts who must be trained to not to rape everybody they see.How is it a wild overstatement when dumb-asses actually do tell women that the culture is such that normal things for women like wearing a skirt or pony tail or decorating their car is a rape risk? | /r/MensRights | 18/07/13 02:55 PM |
| 1 | AdviceAnimals commenst section goes full rape hysteria. TIL men are savage beasts who must be trained to not to rape everybody they see.Im not pulling that card. I'm putting the shoe on the other foot, so you could know what she meant. | /r/MensRights | 18/07/13 02:52 PM |
| -1 | AdviceAnimals commenst section goes full rape hysteria. TIL men are savage beasts who must be trained to not to rape everybody they see.So you think the culture is so full of rape, that warning women not to have ponytails or advertise their car is owned by a female is solid advice? | /r/MensRights | 18/07/13 02:33 PM |
| 2 | AdviceAnimals commenst section goes full rape hysteria. TIL men are savage beasts who must be trained to not to rape everybody they see.No, she is serious. Imagine if people told you not to wear trousers or have short hair because you live in a culture where doing it would lead to a violent and humiliating attack. | /r/MensRights | 18/07/13 02:30 PM |
| 10 | AdviceAnimals commenst section goes full rape hysteria. TIL men are savage beasts who must be trained to not to rape everybody they see.The advice is the rape hysteria. If you are the sort of person that tells women that they shouldn't do normal stuff like decorate their car because rape, you have only yourself and others like you to blame when they line up to hate on men and fight "rape culture". Do you really believe that rape is so common in society that decorating a car in a way that identifies you as female is high risk? | /r/MensRights | 18/07/13 12:51 PM |
| 30 | One of the top posts from r/trollxchromosomes. How dare someone gives advice, people just have to stop raping.If you are the sort of person that tells women that they shouldn't do normal stuff like decorate their car because rape, you have only yourself and others like you to blame when they line up to hate on men and fight "rape culture". Do you really believe that rape is so common in society that decorating a car in a way that identifies you as female is high risk? | /r/MensRights | 18/07/13 11:38 AM |
| 3 | Do people feel that pages such as SRS/SRSDiscussion actually reflect the mindset of a sizable proportion of women?Mainstream feminists reject srs, mainstream women reject mainstream feminists. | /r/MensRights | 17/07/13 02:12 PM |
| 2 | Feminism is slowly destroying itselfYeah. Shit tests for example, someone with good self esteem, isn't going to put up with shit in the first place. So this is an example of how CBT could reach the same outcome, while circumventing all the alpha / beta men do this and women do that nonsense that comes with with pua and game. | /r/MensRights | 17/07/13 12:44 PM |
| 3 | Whatd does the Men's Rights Movemnt need?Feminism piggybacks on rape hysteria, I don't think the same would work for the mens movement. Anyhow. there is already a movement inside the movement to expose how feminism has been covering up female perpetrated rape. | /r/MensRights | 17/07/13 11:22 AM |
| 0 | Do I really need to learn "venusian arts"?Its bullshit. There is a study that shows rates of dominance by gender in 32 different countries including the most patriarchal ones like Iran and Mexico - sometimes there is a dominant man, sometimes there is a dominant woman, sometimes there is switching. | /r/MensRights | 17/07/13 11:11 AM |
| 2 | Feminism is slowly destroying itselfYou are better off doing CBT to get natural, authentic confidence from within instead of from validation from women and simplistic theories about how men and women work - PUA and game is snake oil sales. | /r/MensRights | 17/07/13 09:39 AM |
| 1 | Banned from /r/feminism: Close-minded, irrational, unavailable to dialogue.Its also a recipe for a damaged child - having one parent that wanted them and one that didn't. | /r/MensRights | 17/07/13 09:35 AM |
| 1 | Feminism is slowly destroying itselfI wouldn't buy too much into PUA predictions and folklore, where I you. | /r/MensRights | 17/07/13 09:33 AM |
| 3 | Banned from /r/feminism: Close-minded, irrational, unavailable to dialogue.Don't know what the laws says exactly. I know I don't want women to be able to force me into fatherhood against my will, and I know that in order for that to happen there needs to be abortion. I also want permissive attitudes about sex. | /r/MensRights | 16/07/13 09:26 PM |
| 1 | Banned from /r/feminism: Close-minded, irrational, unavailable to dialogue.Abortion isn't about children. Its about poverty and population control. | /r/MensRights | 16/07/13 09:23 PM |
| 1 | Banned from /r/feminism: Close-minded, irrational, unavailable to dialogue.Human being is a legal term. The law dictates what a human being is or isn't. | /r/MensRights | 16/07/13 09:04 PM |
| 1 | Banned from /r/feminism: Close-minded, irrational, unavailable to dialogue.I didn't say the law was correct because of the law. I said your statement is incorrect because of the law. | /r/MensRights | 16/07/13 09:01 PM |
| 13 | I was watching a Youtube video of a female TV host who hits on a guest multiple times and then see this in the commentsI was crossing the road today and I saw a butterfly | /r/MensRights | 16/07/13 08:31 PM |
| 1 | Banned from /r/feminism: Close-minded, irrational, unavailable to dialogue.Not according to the law its not. | /r/MensRights | 16/07/13 08:22 PM |
| -1 | Banned from /r/feminism: Close-minded, irrational, unavailable to dialogue.Of course it is. Its been about population control and personal freedom all along. Its full and original name is state promoted voluntary eugenics. The idea being that a society has a means to voluntarily decide when its children are born and that they are born into a good situation. | /r/MensRights | 16/07/13 08:21 PM |
| 6 | Banned from /r/feminism: Close-minded, irrational, unavailable to dialogue.Abortion is a population control, economic and personal freedom issue. And we want the right not to be forced into fatherhood and child support against our will, well we cannot have that right, without abortion. | /r/MensRights | 16/07/13 07:57 PM |
| 2 | Banned from /r/feminism: Close-minded, irrational, unavailable to dialogue.but you cannot argue against abortion and for women not to have the right to force fatherhood on men. | /r/MensRights | 16/07/13 07:56 PM |
| -9 | Banned from /r/feminism: Close-minded, irrational, unavailable to dialogue.Abortion is a womens rights issue. The mens rights side of that debate is that we don't want women forcing men to be parents against their will, you cannot hold that position while simultaneously arguing against womens right to abortion. | /r/MensRights | 16/07/13 07:19 PM |
| 1 | Banned from /r/feminism: Close-minded, irrational, unavailable to dialogue.What does the abortion debate have to do with mens rights? | /r/MensRights | 16/07/13 07:00 PM |
| 7 | Controversial poster group now taking aim at Edmonton SlutwalkMRAs are starting to make a mess of it in the comments section by getting into the victim blaming v's victim facilitation argument/quagmire instead of sticking to the easy targets. | /r/MensRights | 16/07/13 12:22 PM |
| 3 | Can we stop filling this subreddit with junk?Go make a good post, then post it. | /r/MensRights | 16/07/13 09:31 AM |
| 1 | Looking for reputable sources on female vs male domestic abuse, any help?sidebar | /r/MensRights | 16/07/13 09:19 AM |
| 1 | Thought you guys might like this magnet I found.I do. It was ww2 propaganda, which was co-opted by feminism. | /r/MensRights | 16/07/13 08:52 AM |
| 1 | Thought you guys might like this magnet I found.I know. Feminism then co-opted it. | /r/MensRights | 16/07/13 08:52 AM |
| 2 | Sexual Assault Voices of Edmonton: Don’t be THAT stupid-AVFM threatened with legal action copyright violation over poster image usageThe creators of the DBTG campaign laughed and threw your letter in the bin! The humiliation they are getting now, they will understand, feminists are afraid of looking like nazi manhaters. If you don't like the article isn't in better to talk to the person that wrote it? | /r/MensRights | 15/07/13 08:14 PM |
| 2 | Sexual Assault Voices of Edmonton: Don’t be THAT stupid-AVFM threatened with legal action copyright violation over poster image usageAnd there isn't any such thing as "godwins law", it was an off the cuff remark that has caused gullible people to believe that there is some rule that states you cannot make any mention of Nazis, even when you are comparing things that do have things in common with them. | /r/MensRights | 15/07/13 08:07 PM |
| -3 | Thought you guys might like this magnet I found.Its feminist propaganda, that used someone that was working during ww2. Rosie was co-opted. | /r/MensRights | 15/07/13 08:05 PM |
| 2 | Sexual Assault Voices of Edmonton: Don’t be THAT stupid-AVFM threatened with legal action copyright violation over poster image usageThen get involved and do something if you want change, there is no point sitting here armchair quarterbacking the people that are actually out there making things happen. The reality is, if the mens movement listened to all the middle of the roaders, moderates and people that are afraid of what the mainstream will think, nobody would have heard of it and there would be no media attention. | /r/MensRights | 15/07/13 08:02 PM |
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