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discussionNew-Friendship-4089/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/03/23 12:12 PM
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FeminismNew-Friendship-4089/r/MensRights06/04/23 07:42 PM
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DiscussionNew-Friendship-4089/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 10:20 AM
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FeminismNew-Friendship-4089/r/MensRights07/05/23 10:50 AM
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FeminismNew-Friendship-4089/r/MensRights31/12/22 12:53 PM
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Social IssuesNew-Friendship-4089/r/MensRights17/01/23 05:01 PM
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DiscussionNew-Friendship-4089/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 05:48 PM
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DiscussionNew-Friendship-4089/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 04:54 PM
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DiscussionNew-Friendship-4089/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 06:15 PM
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Social IssuesNew-Friendship-4089/r/MensRights31/01/23 10:24 AM
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No! They are real men with healthy masculinity unlike us poor toxic males with fragile egos and deeply rooted misogyny...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 09:28 PM
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They're troubled alright. 50 years of feminism in our society and education is bound to fuck up some people in a lot of ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 08:47 PM
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I don't think it's necessarily predatory to the desire of wanting acceptance into female spaces as a transitioned female. Someone who has transitioned has done so in part to be treated like their preferred gender. I'm also not terribly concerned with women who can't accept a transitioned person's.. personhood. It's mostly just fear of the 'dangerous other' and it's not like transgendered peoples are going to cause a big ruckus. Besides, you wouldn't even be able to tell when someone actually is …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 08:46 PM
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Menslib is a cesspool.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 08:41 PM
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Nagracula, Dracula's black cousin.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 08:36 PM
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Show me stats that link transgenderism with pedophilia or keep walking Child stuff is things like children can decide which gender they want to be and can start transitioning early. If you were going to lurk in a woman's bathroom for an assault, I don't think the niceties of not being allowed in a woman's bathroom were going to stop you anyway. That's a superficial way to look at it. There is a psychological predatory element involved of men wanting to inject themselves into those spaces for wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 08:28 PM
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Do you support that whole charade? Of course, I am not talking about grown-ups doing whatever it is they want to do. But the child stuff, bathrooms, sports, and the romanticization of it all.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 08:15 PM
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Not really.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 08:11 PM
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You were serious about the previous comment of men not needing looks?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 08:04 PM
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It’s dishonest and frankly incorrect to frame not being able to infringe on someone else’s bodily autonomy as not having the right to autonomy yourself. That wasn't conveyed. The main point here is just this, if the man doesn't want to be a father, he can't say no. Which I think is fair he can't make a woman who's pregnant abort against her will. However, he has the right to opt out of parenthood and simply walk away, but of course unfortunately he doesn't because governments find more value in …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 08:02 PM
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I don't really think it's nonsensical as you made it out to be. Two people have sex, an accident happens and the woman is pregnant. If she wants to abort it, she can. If she wants to keep it she can. If the man does want the child and the woman doesn't want it, then she's free to do so, which I think is both unfortunate but also fair. But if the man doesn't want the child and the woman wants it, then he doesn't have the option to not be a father as the mother had. He will be followed by 18 years…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 08:00 PM
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Yeah, that doesn't really work as it'd open up a nasty window of getting anyone jailed for possible-possible something. We'd start relying on distant speculations and far-distant improbable probabilities and hypothetical situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 07:54 PM
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I'd say how do you define that? But if online dating is any indication they do have an abundance of women due to their rarity.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 07:52 PM
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Yes, I agree completely. But the point still remains, men don't have a multitude of rights and options when it comes to reproduction and self-autonomy. A woman has different birth control options, abortion, adoption, and alimony. The man simply has nothing, sex, bang father, 18 years of monthly checks to a woman that hates you and a child that you never wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 07:50 PM
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I just have zero empathy for people who engage in consensual sex with fertile sex organs and complain about a resulting pregnancy. Wait you're confusing me. You think that women should have the right to abort even though you stated the above comment. In your mind, if they had consensual sex with fertile organs so they shouldn't complain, but they can abort? So you believe that just because they have fertile organs and an accident happen doesn't mean we need to make them parents against their wil…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 07:46 PM
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Glad you're doing better now. Well, I'll make sure to do that if that ever happens!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 07:38 PM
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I see then you're anti-abortion unless of course, the case is as extreme as you mentioned kids, rape victims, and so on, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 07:33 PM
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Oh common, I am talking just about the good old two people having normal sex condoms, the pill, and what have you then an accident occurs. The man doesn't want to be a father, but the woman keeps it, and Bang you're a father now and need to pay 18 years of child support.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 07:32 PM
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They don't have the liberty of choosing not to have kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 07:24 PM
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What about men who never consented to parenthood just sex? Isn't this the famous slogan consent to sex =/= consent to being a parent?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 07:23 PM
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Very unlikely. If we're talking hypothetical through which we can judge the world then some semblance of realism is important. As I said in the first comment if she's happy with her original guy she wouldn't want some player who's trying to sell himself based of his wealth, it's an invitation to a very transactional relationship. Then there is the issue of having a conscience, most people would be eaten alive if they have a very healthy and close relationship only for them to throw all of that a…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 07:21 PM
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Don't have kids Problem solved, now on to the mental health crisis...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 07:15 PM
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Better how? Some things which are fundamental to our mental health and overall happiness can't be measured. Being understood, seen, loved, good communication, a connection, and so on... Then there is honor, morality, and character.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 07:13 PM
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Damn, that is indeed tough it's must've been one hell those first few weeks. I hear there is a lot of depression due to loss of attractiveness after the fact, did you go through that? And do you feel more confident now? And what would you say is the perfect way for a husband to approach all of this and be supportive?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 06:52 PM
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How long did it take you to feel more normal and as usual after giving birth?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 06:43 PM
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I disagree, I think this was 100% about sex. I think convoluting the two is purposeful because it allows the complaint to be made instead of it being a ‘duh’ moment, why oddly you seem to be going back and forth with. This is what you responded: My bad for not being clear, but I did not mean by it just casual sex, but long-term relationships. I responded as such because the two are connected, sexual attraction and satisfaction are absolutely necessary for a relationship, hence first is attractio…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 06:37 PM
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I did not say that. An attractive face and an hourglass figure are not average. Sexual Market Value is a made up concept, it’s not some complex theory. It's just common sense. A super model would be at the peak of that chart, and a very obese woman would be at the bottom. It’s convoluting two different things. Being attractive and being fuckable are different things. A woman can be hideous and still fuckable. I do agree. But here we're just talking about people we can see ourselves with in long-…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 05:41 PM
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If the relationship is pretty stable then very unlikely. If they are going through issues and the relationship isn't that deep and the woman is immature then yeah, she'll just have to easily convince herself of something to avoid the guilt of ditching and she'll be in her merry way.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 05:36 PM
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Having an attractive face and an hourglass curvy figure is as controllable as a chiseled jaw and height. I don't think he said that. He just meant that the sexual market value of the average woman is way higher than that of the average man, and I don't think that's debatable really.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 05:26 PM
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Just checking in, some people have a different idea of drama, stirring the pot!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 05:04 PM
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Hopefully, you're not spewing any lies and ruining guys' reputations and potentially ruining great relationships. Other than that, enjoy the chaos.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 04:40 PM
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I appreciate the input, I don't doubt it actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 04:38 PM
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Change my view is originally set when people have a particular view about an issue but they have a bit of self-awareness to realize that it's too complex thus they might have overlooked something or missed some important nuance. Some views on the other hand are just built completely on their holder's inward psychological turmoil which makes them cling to those views so there is no way of changing it unless the holder himself becomes responsible for their own weakness instead of projecting them i…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/23 05:26 PM
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Are you sarcastic? If you are then say so and we can discuss we usually don't like to feed the trolls here.
/r/MensRights07/05/23 12:33 PM
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I think this is more relationship territory than first dates. But yeah if we're discussing how generally these things go then that question is asked when the man has no difference whatsoever between going Place A, B, or C. So he asks that question in order to gauge the other party if they have a difference which is more practical and rewarding to all. If I don't care whether we go to X or Y, but you like Y more, then everyone wins you go to your preferred place and I get to make that experience …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 11:24 AM
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You're acting as if I just brought up some strange concept from bizzaro land. It's great that you don't entertain these normalized expectations, but they exist in a big chunk of dates and relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 11:13 AM
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I agree with everything else except that if she's interested in you she'll be more willing to reciprocate your attention and affection, especially in those first dates. I think it takes a bit of introspection and a genuine desire for a partnership, and maybe some understanding of the subtle ways the dynamics between men and women affect us so that we could mitigate some of the ways they can be harmful for that to be the case. Because if the woman chooses to go on a date then we can safely assume…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 10:51 AM
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Generally, you're supposed to entertain each other. Yes, in all other kinds of relationships, except a romantic date. Generally, it is expected for the man to do all of that work. If the woman doesn't do that, it's seen as normal. If she does then it's a huge bonus. Can we agree that this is something that occurs on an average first date between a man and a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 10:35 AM
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Yeah this is the answer. There is always an emotional undertone to every single interaction regardless of how simple it may seem. If in that particular undertone leaning in for a kiss seems weird, awkward, and off then there is something wrong. You need to build the appropriate emotional undertone where leaning in for that kiss is just perfect. The deeper the connection that was made the more impactful that kiss would be, especially the first one. You can learn to actively build the appropriate …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 10:04 AM
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I agree. Another point is, do you think that some women are maybe traumatized or dysfunctional in the sense that they're aroused by some qualities or some sexual dynamics that are detrimental to a long-term healthy relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 07:37 PM
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Yes, it does. It's all about feelings my man. It's very easy to make the ladies feel all sorts of way when you're a certified Chad. However, it doesn't mean it's impossible to do so when you aren't, just more difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 04:32 PM
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I think there are a lot of cases and some inevitably vary from the others. Some indeed do go just for the arrogance that much is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 02:17 PM
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Well said!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 02:06 PM
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It's the desire for being special and unique. I read that the biggest women's fantasy is making that dark force fall for you, but how you proceed from there differs. I think there are two variations of it, you may want to make that darkness fall in love with you but at the same time, it'll still keep on being awful to everyone except for you, hence displaying how special you are. Or making it fall for you in order to slowly change it and make it become good and heal it for its dysfunction, thus …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 01:42 PM
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The immature ones yes, as long as you're a confident piece of shit you can get her hooked, but even that is temporary as people change, as for women who are very well adjusted they will smell that shit from a mile away. But you can be a decent guy and project your own competence in healthier ways, which is of course way more difficult than just being someone who's confident but has jack shit to show for it other than some unfounded strong belief in themselves that is usually built on some fragme…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 01:35 PM
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Thankfully? I don't know. I don't think it changes much. What I don't like about that whole charade is how it is unreasonably supportive, which is of course not good for anyone. Humans are inherently weak and we seek refuge out of that weakness in a plethora of ideas that are usually both harmful to us and others in the long term, so supportively slapping bullshit out of people is a virtue, it's hard because we don't want anyone to hate us but that's truly the real measure of care. When you do t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 01:33 PM
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I like how Jordan Peterson frames it, women aren't attracted to bad boys but competence. And bad boys are usually arrogant which can be misconstrued as being confident and competent.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 01:29 PM
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I think it still is if you choose a female as a gender when creating an account. I don't know if that's true.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 01:26 PM
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Yes, I am aware. I am an idealist in my mind moderate means keeping things objectively sane at least haha! You're right.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 12:41 PM
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It's reflective of something more sinister. Reddit is a private company that seeks its own profit, and this is one of the most popular subs they don't care for moderating it, they don't care for perpetuating negative ideas that eventually lead to the mistreatment of men, as they say about the opposite. The issue here is we live in a society that incentivizes these kinds of behavior while it rightfully punishes the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 12:12 PM
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Maybe I have confused the two my bad, but do you still see the point I am trying to make? Yes, physically I'd say that men have more of a wider range than women which is biologically driven. But if you add necessary and reasonable standards to the mix those viable wife/gf candidates will be significantly reduced, as it should.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 12:07 PM
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Because the idea that they don't have a type, or rather they have a vast range of types is only in terms of physical attractiveness, their personalities which is what really matter isn't even taken into consideration. There are a ton of different personalities, values, ideals, and principles which means that your type both physically and psychologically won't be the majority but a select few. Guys generally have very very low standards because they're happy with what they can get, and it is defi…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 11:51 AM
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It's simple, we're psychological and emotional creatures. If things click and you manage to build a very close connection to let's say a top-tier woman in terms of physical attractiveness she will stay with you regardless of the theoretical unlikeliness of that happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 11:42 AM
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Love your flair!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 11:40 AM
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I agree with you, you need to be aware of your type because you have one. I think this misconception stems from men finding a lot of women physically attractive plus their non-existent standards for anything beyond the physical. So, technically they just have a wide range of types but it's ultimately to their detriment.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 11:39 AM
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You better go back to that bubble man!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 04:28 PM
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Powerful shit, thanks for sharing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 09:29 PM
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Dude, aren't you tired yet? We've been watching this shit for I don't know how long now!
/r/MensRights09/04/23 09:12 PM
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Try a "decent human"
/r/MensRights07/04/23 09:46 PM
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Individual relationships between men and women doesn't translate to the global level my friend. Even if we go by what you said and take it as true there is no amount of assertiveness in my personal life that will change the fact that men as a group have it worst in several aspects and we're living in an environment that is hostile and demonizes those very men. You're confusing the two apart.
/r/MensRights07/04/23 06:34 PM
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That's not true my dude. You sound like someone manipulated and is stuck in an abusive relationship frankly. "They are so angry and abusive because of me I haven't done enough, I should be doing more, the moment I do more they will no longer attack and abuse me." But the moment you do more they will find new things to be angry about to keep you always at fault.
/r/MensRights07/04/23 06:23 PM
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You said nothing little feminist girl. But you're being a good soldier for the cause, all for the sisterhood am i right?
/r/MensRights07/04/23 06:19 PM
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Too much to unpack here that I am not even going to bother man, rough day. The main point you're trying to convey is once again men are to blame as they haven't offered enough security to women that's why the helpless women can't help but act badly. Whatever.
/r/MensRights07/04/23 05:33 PM
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Your reasoning would be...?
/r/MensRights07/04/23 04:44 PM
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I am pretty sure it's obvious. Physical violence is always, always more frowned upon because it is so clear and easy to judge. Psychological violence on the other hand is not. It takes time to slowly build up, it is subtle, people are unsure of who to trust, they never see anything directly but merely the results, and is just visually cleaner. I am sure there is a difference in how we see a serial killer like Ed Kemper, and how we see his mother who was abusive to him which led him to that. If y…
/r/MensRights06/04/23 09:03 PM
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You are missing my point. Women's preferred form of violence which is subtle, indirect, and more psychological is hard to measure and quantify. However, men's preferred form of violence which is physical is way easier to see, and measure, and is more grotesque than the former which gives it an extra shock value that can easily be used to skew how we view things. That is why men are more violent than women is both true and false. True when one's definition of violence is purely simplistic and phy…
/r/MensRights06/04/23 08:55 PM
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Other than the fact that women have a different form of expressing violence, the fact that men are more physically prone to violence is pretty clear. However, what I find troublesome is how this fact is often twisted and presented in a way to paint men as inherently violent, but more than that it's as if a choice that men once again as a group made and has nothing to do with women. Men are simply more prone to that because of biology and testosterone, more than that we've been living in strict g…
/r/MensRights06/04/23 08:35 PM
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Not unattainable but there is just no desire for it if we're being honest. Maybe Life of those three options, that's what I am aspiring for.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 08:30 PM
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So is it time yet to relax, grab a beer, and watch the eventual crumbling?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 06:00 PM
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First, it has nothing to do with evolution, just as working in an office has nothing to do with evolution. Second, it helps make sense of the world, just like other myths. It rains and storms because Thor wills it. You can't get a date because women are sluts. You lost the war because of the Jews, and the bible wants you to own slaves. I don't think you understand the point I am trying to convey for you to compare it to such obvious stupidity man. These issues? No. Because they were smaller trib…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 06:30 PM
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Damn bro you had to let me know that you read none of that? You could've just lied and my day would have been 1% better.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 04:16 PM
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Small knit communities are gone. Does that mean we are domed? There's nothing in your life, from your house, phone, tablet, car... that is good for you - evolutionary speaking. Yet evolution takes, not the back seat, not the trunk, but the next bus. But when it comes to shitting on the opposite sex (or minorities) Evolution - the thing that doesn't inform your life at all - becomes important! Why? Hmm... I don't know what's your point but there is a correlation. We've had the same brain for 50 t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 04:11 PM
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That's a perfect summary of the benefit of being here. You got it incel whore!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 03:57 PM
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Can't argue with that haha.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 03:57 PM
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For the better or?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 03:56 PM
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Advancing too fast in terms of how technology impacted the way we socialize and interact with the world, while at the same time psychologically speaking we're still tribesmen from tens of thousands of years ago. There is just a huge disconnect between people and their societies, one, unlike anything that we've ever encountered.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 03:51 PM
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I get why you'd be scared really. I think all of us here more or less feel a certain way when we see how the other side looks at us. To be fair I wouldn't say for me personally it is fear since I've never been sexually assaulted by a woman, but I do feel a certain sense of grief and isolation. I have mostly met awesome men and women in my life, so I know that reality is not TRP and also not Extreme Feminism. So I guess, my advice is be careful to also interact with real life people and break the…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 03:50 PM
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Hell yeah. Pain is the common ground that we all share and we're all doing our best to navigate life through it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 01:48 AM
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Well, there are no absolutes but other than that I doubt we're just sharing knowledge here. Don't you think there are at least some psychological elements at play here? People needing to prove something to themselves or others, the pettiness, the in-your-face, the defensiveness, and so much more. At some point, we tend to become overly focused on short-term emotional release instead of long-term psychological well-being.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 01:41 AM
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As with anything that is psychologically complex, trauma. When people are deeply troubled they tend to be somewhat extreme, and I think autism is traumatic if not managed well by the caretakers. But it's just like anyone really, maybe there is some truth to neurodivergent people having a higher tendency to go there because of their upbringing, idk.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 01:32 AM
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I know what you're thinking but trust me, it's true. Of course, there are some bad actors as with everything but generally, I think it's great. I've spoken to women outside of this sub about some of the issues we discuss here and 10/10 it always ends up in the same manner. At least right now we can convey our points to the other person while they give us basic human decency to listen and entertain a different perspective. We may not see eye to eye at the end of the day but it is infinitely bette…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 01:27 AM
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The thing I like the most about this sub is the women. It sounded weird but, women here regardless of their political affiliation are open to discussing things in good faith unlike people who are generally left-leaning that tend to shut down any discussion immediately as you being a misogynistic incel that is just inherently violent thus no room for discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 01:20 AM
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I don't know if the majority of the guys here are autistic since RedPill and the manosphere are somewhat mainstream now and so I doubt it. I don't know what to tell you I am autistic myself and I can say I'm quite the opposite of what you've just described. There is indeed some truth in how there is a significant number of autistic people who congregate in online spaces to just vent about their miserable lives which inevitably leads to some unsavory ways of thought. However, I think you're looki…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 01:10 AM
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I don't know, how concise really is this data that we will be bringing in? Our brain hasn't evolved enough to grasp the notion of millions of people and so all of the knowledge that we soak up in these online spaces can affect the way we see the world, and not in a good way. e.g When we watch too much crime TV we become more fearful and untrustworthy. There is a perfect level of fear and untrustworthiness that we should arm ourselves with but it definitely becomes skewed once hearing about horri…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 12:56 AM
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Individualism all the way! Well, we wouldn't be where we are today without our deep biological tendency to form tribes and groups. But as with anything it seems like we're advancing at too fast of a rate that we can't keep up psychologically.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 12:52 AM
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I mean sure I do think there is a significant value in what we're doing here, mainly how people from either side of the camps tend to think somewhat lowly of the other. I'd say especially for people who are feminist leaning, they tend to see anyone with the slightest RP talking points or generally just anything that deviates from their acceptable worldview as being inherently misogynistic and seeks to oppress women. We also share a lot of points that are rather very interesting since people appr…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 12:28 AM
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Well of course that is a pretty valid thing to get upset about and decide to leave. By listening here then changing is also given if it's reasonable of course, and if the thing doesn't require changing but just listening then that's also another thing. How much should you listen to?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 06:50 PM
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Yeah, that's a bit of a narrow-minded way to approach life and our emotions in general, short-term emotional charge. Most issues want to be voiced and let out, emotionally speaking. Like a scream or holding the damaged part with your hand as you rub it or something. Thus, when one is emotional talking about things, venting, and complaining are more pleasurable and less painful. But when we're not emotional there is nothing to vent so bringing up the issue is less pleasurable since it'll just bri…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 05:37 PM
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Well, not many, and all of them at the same time. I am a bit radical when it comes to this particular issue due to several reasons. Let's take the how much people care example, we can all agree on the fact that objectively people don't care that much since we're also people but we don't particularly care as much as people think we do since everyone is so lost in their own little worlds of fears and insecurities. Yet, we still do react in a way that is uncalled for seeing how little people care. …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 05:31 PM
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I truly understand what you're saying and that's perfectly reasonable. I am aware that every specific issue has roots in dozen of other ones forming this messy web of issues and sometimes I am only aware of particular aspects of the issues which makes me downplay the seriousness of it. However, what if an issue is just objectively over blown? There are a lot of those, and if we pay attention and are diligent towards making the relationship better we can easily navigate all of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 05:13 PM
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Yeah lol, don't do that. What helps me is that I listen to them at the moment when they're just venting and rambling, and when they seek my validation about something they did maybe that I think is wrong I try not to voice it at that particular moment and just deflect the question by saying something then ask her about a specific part of the issue so that she could get back to it. However, afterwards when emotions are low and the mind is a tad bit more clearer we can have conversations about how…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 05:09 PM
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I think those are all pretty valid standards to have otherwise you're just risking a lifetime of resentment and conflict. But, religion? That was surprising. Several people mentioned religion although they're very progressive which I found to be strange because I don't really think people understand how vast religion's reach is in one's psyche. Their opinions, values, morals, views, and so on will be hugely influenced by that religion be it obviously or subtly. And religions aren't really the mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 05:01 PM
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I think that's the perfect way to approach this whole thing. Be there for your partner's needs, complaints, insecurities, whatever. However, there is a balance there and if said partner just doesn't get tired of it and seemingly seeks out those problems then that would be the opposite of health since one is actively looking to harm themselves long term for some temporary emotional roller coaster.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 04:58 PM
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It is definitely not a pleasant experience to share some things that you truly care about and you know that need attention only for you to be met with dismissal and invalidation of your feelings. However, is there a case where invalidating one's feelings is healthy? To dismiss someone's concerns and be doing them a favor? Of course, these two sound very antagonizing and would lead nowhere, but I am talking about letting the other person talk see how much they feel about those things then maybe g…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 04:54 PM
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That is true, but I doubt this is really the place to find such an answer because people from both sides tend to be a bit defensive to protect their own camps if you will.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 04:44 PM
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That's absolutely reasonable and a bye-bye is a right response. However, I'm sure not all cases are as such, what if the man listens and doesn't dismisses them? The point is thinking that every time the woman leaves because the man did something wrong is far-fetched.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 04:38 PM
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I don't know man. Is it really that hard to manage your diet and incorporate some light exercises into your daily life? I mean sure people get older, shit happens, and fat just finds itself assimilating into your body but there is a huge difference between a 10lbs and 100.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 04:16 PM
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It's a tribe alright, here is a comment I just read a couple of minutes ago. I take my definition of feminism from Andrea Dworkin, who says that feminism is the political practice of fighting against male supremacy on behalf of women as a CLASS…it doesn’t matter who the individual women are. It doesn’t matter if you agree with them.If they’re women they’re as vulnerable as other women. They are subjects too. We are all swimming in male supremacy trying to fight to lift one another out.Also if th…
/r/MensRights30/03/23 02:15 PM
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Haha lol yeah, that would be really toxic. There is just something hilariously funny about a strong feminist and an MRA coming home from their meetings and talking about the neighbor's dog.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 07:55 PM
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That is very commendable actually. So the prerequisite is for them to also view things more or less the same as what you just said. You don't want someone who will bear grudges and not speak about them and just be a total douche.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 07:54 PM
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The general consensus seems to be the same. For both parties to be on the same reality, to not be too radical in either way and to respect the humanity in the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 07:52 PM
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Let's say there are qualities that offset the differences (You respect their morality, admire their personality, and you generally think they're wonderful people.), The differences would be like an average person who is more blue pilled vs red pilled for example? Very committed and both of you are likely to change unless you don't truth lies in the middle and there is 100% nothing wrong with your views.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 07:48 PM
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I think those are pretty reasonable as you wouldn't really feel comfortable in how the other person views you if you have a strong distaste for the way they think.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 07:45 PM
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Those are more practical and tangible life goals. But about big differences in thoughts? What if you think that the way they think is not conducive to a healthy society and vice versa? Is it possible to navigate that relationship amidst such antagonizing emotions?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 07:43 PM
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But it is simply a given to disrespect and rejects opinions that you see as bad and harmful. If you have such wide differences in that regard then it is only natural that you'd reach completely different conclusions. What if a man thinks that women are now privileged compared to men but you still see several issues that are female-specific and have not reached a satisfying conclusion yet? Wouldn't it affect the dynamic between the two of you?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 07:41 PM
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A difference in perspective doesn't equal a desire to take your rights is my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 07:20 PM
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Are you implying that there is never an instance where disagreements are merely viewed as such and there isn't the slightest shred of conflict and drama? I mean just anecdotally I'd have to disagree because I've witnessed both.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 07:19 PM
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That is true we're no buddha-like beings and self-identification is simply an unfortunate outcome of a restless mind. But yes, it's all about the extent!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 07:01 PM
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What if in this hypothetical relationship disagreeing doesn't equal conflict or drama, but simply a discussion? If there was a percentage of how similar your views are to each other what would be your limit to giving the green light or not? 60%?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 06:59 PM
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Self-identification is a bitch. However, most times it is unconscious and we think that we're simply offended because we're too kind and can't bear to see people suffer. Example: Guy criticizes Feminism. Is the girl offended because this guy doesn't care about woman's rights thus hers, or is she offended because she identifies herself with the group on a more personal level, and thus that criticism hits all the closer to home.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 06:39 PM
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Doesn't that mean it is somewhat necessary? If it wasn't you wouldn't have dumped that person.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 06:36 PM
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Alright if you say so. But RP is such a broad term and when it comes to how it plays a role in a couple's relationship it's through gender roles and all that jazz. What about differences in other aspects, of course in this case the partner doesn't want traditional gender roles and simply wants a partner whom they can have an equal thing with. In this new context would you be open to differences in thoughts and opinions? Let's say you are very pro-feminism all the way but they're not that enthusi…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 06:35 PM
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I may be underestimating its importance. This in and of itself is an understatement. The differences are pretty wild man. You can't talk comfortably and openly, you feel like you're walking on eggshells because it is so easy to appear as the nonbeliever infidel, it is very to be misunderstood, there is a blatant lack of disrespect and care towards those who don't believe, and so on...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 06:32 PM
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I don't think see how is that a good idea. Not agreeing when it comes to women's and men's issues. What if they think men are generally more oppressed in the world today, and you think the exact opposite? Then wouldn't you guys always have opposing views to every issue that involves either men or women?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 06:28 PM
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Then being on the same page is indeed necessary. Maybe not on everything but on fundamental aspects of your relationship it is necessary otherwise you'd dump them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 06:26 PM
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That's what I was talking about, there are always other perspectives to entertain. Clearly, the RP lifestyle is not for you but "dehumanizing" is a stretch. What about women who simply want to be homemakers, don't they have any agency in being confident in their desires to be what they want? But I wasn't talking about that really. I am just wondering how flexible would you be to being with people who's views slightly deviates from the ones you hold.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 06:24 PM
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That's great which means she's only left, not far. That's a whole different ballgame. Anyway, happy for you man!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 06:19 PM
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The way I see it as long as there is a deep understanding of the core similarities between the two the superficial differences hardly matter because there is an understanding that with enough communication and personal psychological improvement being on the same page on all sides is simply inevitable. But maybe getting into a relationship with the expectation that their current views are flawed and thus change is necessary is not really ideal lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 06:17 PM
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I would say they think feminism is good at the root of it all, who doesn't want to be financially independent so that they could have relationships with men on equal terms? But they still question everything about it. And they don't think that men are the biggest victims of society but see the narrative of the privileged male and the oppressed female to be deeply flawed and dysfunctional. I think at the core of it all the similarity you share is the respect both of you have for each other and yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 06:10 PM
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So there is a threshold of sorts. You don't mind differences unless they're too big to the point that they can consume all aspects of the relationship. I think that's the perfect balance, you don't shy away from differences in thought but at the same do require some similarities in views for the relationship to occur.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 06:07 PM
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Concise and to the point!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 06:04 PM
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That in and of itself is maybe correct, but a relationship is still more complicated. Just a simple example, don't you think that she will resent you for not following her same views as to her those are the objectively correct things to do otherwise your existence is inherently violent as it perpetuates a lot of issues that harm people? I don't think you realize how deep that shit could go.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 06:03 PM
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Oh man, you gave me anxiety with that, truly. I don't think you realize how big of an impact religion makes on a person. I have noticed that a lot of deep conversations between humans reach the concept of god. So, whenever you find yourself having those mind-boggling discussions and just overall attitude about the world their default response would always be, god. I am an atheist in a 99% conservative country so I am more sensitive this issue I think, I may not have conveyed the differences that…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 06:02 PM
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I apologize. I think it's because you're speaking in the first person so it's normal to see you presenting it in a way that makes you wonder how the hypothetical partner would approach your views. I am sure if the other person was the one commenting it'd seem as such as well. But. I have noticed that a lot of people who follow whatever school of thought or ideologies are mainstream have some sort of morality proof if we could call it that. It's that thought that says my views are perfectly fine …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 05:58 PM
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There is objectively nothing wrong with women's rights. However, there is a lot of errors in how human manage and deal with their issues, especially ones that are very big and mainstream. There is a lot of power to be sought, violence to be executed, people to be dehumanized, and for people to find refuge for their personal psychological issues, fears, and problems in those ideologies.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 05:54 PM
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Personally, I wouldn't call that similar values to be honest. If she thinks that children should have the ability to change their gender otherwise they kill themselves wouldn't she be the slightest bit resentful of you? Do you not find yourself losing respect for someone who's overly conformist and is easily influenced by the masses? Most modern women today have strong anti-male biases some of which are obvious but most are very subtle.(Posts in AITA is a good example.) Are you confident in her …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 05:50 PM
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I see, I respect that! Good luck to both of you and I hope you only continue to get closer.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 05:40 PM
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Haha, I found that hilarious for some reason. What about love and a deep connection, wouldn't you say that those things are pretty necessary to deepen your connection or is it that you don't care for love as well as long as there is an understanding of each one's role to build the family?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 05:38 PM
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I was with you till you said religion. That's a big tenet man wouldn't you think so? Especially if you're an atheist, why wouldn't you care about such a big part of their personality?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 05:36 PM
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Wouldn't you be annoyed? Let's say you're the leader of the household but your wife is constantly complaining about the patriarchy, right-wingers, transphobes, and so on... What would you talk about?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 05:33 PM
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You are the 4th woman in less than a minute to subtly imply in their comments that their views about all of the issues are more or less sound and morally upright thus it is only a matter of how much the significant other understands those rights and values. Would I be wrong in saying that? Do you have some doubts about the things you do believe in whether their mainstream or not and so more willing to entertain ideological differences at the condition that you do respect the other person and you…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 05:30 PM
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How about feminism and these gender-related issues we're going through in this day and age? Would you be open to not being 100% on the same page as long as you understand that both of you are coming from the same place?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 05:25 PM
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I find that difficult to believe, of course not that I'm saying you're lying. Usually, far-leftists see that not believing in the things they do is the biggest form of violence. Maybe you have some grievances about feminism and voicing them would automatically mark you as a misogynist in her mind. Maybe you have some apprehensions about kids transitioning, and if you voice those concerns you will be seen as someone who's transphobic and is contributing to the genocide of children. What's her tak…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 05:24 PM
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How about if you found out that you have different views but the same fundamental desire for truth and a desire to be good? Would you be open to embarking on a relationship like that? Where you do respect and admire the way he approaches things but at the same time still see that they're not quite right but you're open to discussing things. And of course, this should be a two-way street.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 05:20 PM
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That's great because I don't think a really deep connection with someone is possible without at least some fundamental similarities and understanding. Would you that he affected or changed some of your views? Or at least he introduced some doubts about an issue that you were certain about? Because the way I see it you seem to be the one holding the more morally superior card. I am asking in good faith here and morally superior isn't really the best word, but more like you see yourself as the fra…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 05:17 PM
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Hey! When I said objective truth what I wanted to convey is how in some issues there is just a fact and not an unending stream of opinions about the matter. Any particular issue regardless of whether it is gender-related or not has a certain story if you will, how it started, whether its origins are static or not, who perpetuates it, why, who benefits from it, and whether can it be socially discussed without repercussions if not why, does it negatively affect people, if it does negatively affect…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 03:41 PM
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There is no such thing as voluntarily, it is predatory that's the whole point of it. Do you know how easy it is for a man or woman in their 30s to get "consenting" sex from a minor? There is a huge weakness that gets exploited there due to their naivety and the law is set specifically to protect children from that weakness. That's how it was meant to be atleast.
/r/MensRights24/03/23 06:51 PM
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It's not the only reason why someone would reply to all of the comments in their thread, frankly, the reasons are plentiful. They could be unsure of how they came off and so through their active engagement, they will make sure that the sentiment that they're trying to convey won't be misconstrued because we tend to get weird when someone tells us what to do regardless of whether they're objectively correct or wrong. They could simply be passionate about the subjects and the post they just wrote …
/r/MensRights21/03/23 10:39 AM
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For as long as humans started forming big communities of people, cities, countries, and so on it has always been a class issue. But that's what makes it all the more challenging because although most people can more or less see that, it's hard to do anything about it because our overlords have us by the balls from dozens of different angles, and coupled with the fact that we have immediate interests that we need to look out for and there is an unending stream of issues that manage to both get a …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/03/23 04:31 PM
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Thanks for the valuable insight it does really put things in perspective because as you said technically most people who see themselves as being left-leaning aren't really completely left in their thinking and how they approach issues, they simply go for what is morally trendy right now to support and leave it at that. In other words, if it was trendy to exclude and look down upon women they'd do so because there is no real substance to it all, it's all contradictory and fragmentary like the exa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/03/23 04:24 PM
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It's possible that this is because for a long time saying anything anywhere else about men's rights just got shouted down. True, but why is that? Because whether we like it or not there is a big element of indoctrination in our society. Feminism has dominated our culture and schools for close to 5 decades now, so you can bet that it's far-reaching, and with it, the notion of patriarchy is not only pushed to people of all ages but it's even deemed as an absolute fact of life which is crazy becaus…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/03/23 04:10 PM
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Very well put, you managed to articulate a lot of the issues that are prevalent in today's leftist spaces and people. I think the one about people having opinions about certain things without an actual understanding of the whole process that goes along with that claim coupled with having your ideas and beliefs refined by years of self-critical analysis, doubt, and the ability to explore opposing ideas instead of the state of how things are today, a popularity contest of sort. I noticed that a lo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/03/23 04:00 PM
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Valid point, but I feel like we need to approach this issue from a more general perspective because, from an individual lense, I do agree with you that some semblance of financial stability is crucial and would make the challenges that are political in nature have less impact because you're confident in your ability to survive regardless of whether the outer system fixes itself or not. However, at the same time, I can still see that this isn't practical because although that is indeed a very via…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/03/23 02:55 PM
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But then this approach puts the emphasis more on the financial aspect of the issue while overlooking the other more complex factors that are more cultural and political. If men were to level up financially as you said the problem would still remain, but more than that they can't level up because there is simply no incentive to do so.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/03/23 02:25 PM
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That is true, but it also makes most of them radical which isn't really ideal since most feminist discourse and approaches toward social issues take the idea of patriarchy, male privileged, and women's oppression as an absolute fact. However, this is precisely the issue, for the rest of the non-feminist people anything that comes out of that flawed process would be exclusionary and hostile towards them. More than that this topic is so indoctrinated in our society that even people who see themsel…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/03/23 02:22 PM
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Well, I'd say innate is a stretch as I don't think it's 100% biological but there is a certain phase where every man understands perfectly well that people have absolutely no incentive to help them and they know that if they let themselves go then homelessness and death are an expected outcome and so naturally life gets even more bleak past that point but you soldier on regardless.
/r/MensRights19/03/23 04:09 PM
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We don't do Menslib kind of things on here. Just look at one comment in one of the videos you shared, it has 1.6k likes. It’s crazy because as a black woman, it took me a very long time to even begin to empathize with the white male struggle, because it just seems as though they have every advantage in the world. But whats I’ve come to realize is that if you have all these advantages and fail that failure hits 10 times harder. It also may seem a bit radical, but if you think about it, there’s a …
/r/MensRights19/03/23 01:37 PM
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It doesn't prove anything man. To be frank one of the biggest factors as to why this whole topic is this big is that society in general or certain groups of people find it easier to jump the gun and extract the perfect conclusion about the topic so that they continue to rest in their own moral, inclusive, and perfect bubbles. If you think that the majority of young men are dangerous, disturbed, and hate women with a passion go for it.
/r/MensRights19/03/23 01:29 PM
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Holy shit! This guy knows what's up. Well done that was very beautifully articulated man.
/r/MensRights19/03/23 01:24 PM
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(I wrote a lot, if you're interested read it as it provides a bit more nuance.) You're like that guy who heard stories about a certain group of people after it has already passed through god knows how many mouths. As someone who used to frequent those spaces, I can tell you with absolute certainty that the idea that they feel like they're owed sex is simply ludicrous for so many reasons. First of all one of the biggest ways to cope as an "incel" in those spaces was to give yourself some sort of …
/r/MensRights19/03/23 01:05 PM
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Jesus, that's how a day in hell feels like to me and the poor guy spent 3 years there.
/r/MensRights03/03/23 06:05 PM
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That's all we need for now, afterall we've been heavily conditioned to think otherwise so we're broadening our horizons you could say.
/r/MensRights03/03/23 05:55 PM
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I really think that there is a space where you can 100% blame people and hold them accountable and at the same time really empathize with them and understand what got them there. See just how much OF girls are getting paid for example in order to provide some poor excuse of a made up relationship to men and they are flocking to it, which just goes to show how desperate, starving, and utterly miserable most men are for them to not feel any shame whatsoever engaging in this process. You know how f…
/r/MensRights01/03/23 10:01 AM
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Don't get too happy there old chap, it wasn't meant for you. It's for trans people, if you say real men then it'd be seen as derogatory.
/r/MensRights01/03/23 09:53 AM
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I don't think it's ironic in the sense that it has evolutionary benefits, you know the whole hypergamy, natural selection, and all of that good stuff.
/r/MensRights25/02/23 06:49 PM
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Sometimes I can't help but resent this sub because it's the only reason I am on Reddit still and get to see such unsightly, toxic but celebrated posts on a daily basis.
/r/MensRights23/02/23 08:14 PM
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No it doesn't. In our case what I meant was that we innately need the hormones we're prescribed. It's not optional. It's like someone having type 1 diabetes. When I skip a dose I feel like crap like postmenopausal cis women do. I don't know much about this but if what you said above is 110% scientifically proven to be true then that would indeed change some things. Again, on the tomboy vs trans thing, your opinion about it is wildly uninformed. Tomboys don't need hormones just for their emotions…
/r/MensRights06/02/23 10:57 AM
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I disagree. It's not about having the knowledge to work through that or whatever, it's just that just like the wife has a certain safe space with her significant other to share some things so should he, why does it have to be labeled as such? I mean I do understand the point you're trying to make and it has its own merits but it just seems like it's lacking nuance.
/r/MensRights06/02/23 10:35 AM
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No shit Sherlock. And a lot of those problems went away once I started HRT. It wasn't just a physical problem, it was a hormonal issue. Most of my mental health issues went away simply from me starting hormones. The fact that you're treating this as a cosmetic issue feels incredibly disrespectful. I absolutely think that it's great and I am happy for you, I am not kidding and I am still standing by what I said in the beginning. Seeing that there is no hard and concrete evidence that transgenderi…
/r/MensRights05/02/23 02:38 PM
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With all due respect, I think you are biased as your whole world is unfortunately tied to the ideology and I am not really expecting you to give me the most objective information. You don't really ask a diehard communist about its shortcomings, do you? My mind is not really set on this issue as I realize I am lacking more nuance so this view of mine that I shared is something that you can deem a work in progress.
/r/MensRights05/02/23 02:28 PM
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We are not arguing here about feminist views and how different they are, who cares about that? That is a lazy excuse to bring up, "You're mad at feminism? Well hate to say it but which feminism exactly? It's not a monolith." We're talking about the general sentiment that they all carry forward which in turn gets reflected in the world through things like this!
/r/MensRights05/02/23 02:19 PM
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Yes, yes! My bad. I have not addressed that part yet. What if gender dysphoria has no psychological factor and thus no way to work toward solving it? Then that's great it means we have definitive scientific proof that no amount of digging into their psyche would help as they need immediate physical attention. However, can we really reach that conclusion now? What sounds more plausible the first things I mentioned about the interference of our thoughts or what I mentioned here of it being an immu…
/r/MensRights05/02/23 01:22 PM
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Fucking legendary!
/r/MensRights05/02/23 01:13 PM
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I am 22 guy... but you see here is my issues with that word. I don't hate trans people nor do I think any less of them, I can assure you this is a fact. I just think that in the case of trans women are men who have had their own fair share of issues and insecurities. Unconsciously they've tied a considerable amount of their sorrows to the idea that once something is fixed they will finally be alright. You know? The whole and basic human technique. I am so miserable right now, I can't deal with i…
/r/MensRights05/02/23 01:04 PM
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Jesus christ, just let the man talk and cry for Pete's sake he will move on and forget about it for the next couple of months how hard can it be really? Women are typically more talkative than men so let's look at this from purely a transactional perspective. How much drama had she started for no reason, talking about her insecurities, venting about co-workers, complaining about toxic relationships with her friends or parents, and on and on... Can't all of that equal just maybe an hour when he's…
/r/MensRights05/02/23 12:52 PM
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Please stop using that word, if your aim is in any way to hear other people's opinions and have a civilized discourse that word is a big obstacle as it carries with it all of that far-left baggage of cancellation and blowing issues out of proportion. I don't think he was transphobic or maybe your definition of the word is too loose that it encompasses everyone. I myself happen to agree with him and at the same time don't judge people who transition as they can do whatever they want with their bo…
/r/MensRights05/02/23 12:43 PM
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Because?
/r/MensRights05/02/23 12:24 PM
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Sorry dude this must've hurt like hell. But yeah, if the shoe was on the other foot you'd be called a toxic misogynistic male and told to bugger off. (Ofc you would be neither misogynistic nor a toxic male, just a sick person with no regard for others' well-being) Toxic behavior is heavily, heavily criticized in men but it is tolerated in women. There is a reason why the term toxic masculinity exists even though the behaviors attributed to that term are existent in both genders. A man over-texti…
/r/MensRights25/01/23 05:57 PM
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This is such a derogatory term, healthy masculinity. What do you think a world that has the term healthy masculine without its counterpart healthy feminine looks like? How does it treat its boys and men? We don't do that here. Maybe the folks in r/MensLib would like to be liberated from their privilege and unlearn all of the different ways this patriarchal society made them misogynistic.
/r/MensRights25/01/23 05:29 PM
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I see, then you're golden I'd say, what is life without a continuous growth and a refinement of one's mindset! Best of luck.
/r/MensRights20/01/23 10:54 AM
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With all due respect but I think that there is a contradiction in what you're saying. I personally feel even I don't have much room in this movement because it doesn't do much for me. I want to stand up for rights without taking anyone's away. How can you be what you claim to be without understanding the other side of the coin? Men lose job opportunities just because of their gender and they're given to women, college programs, kids custody, and the list goes on... If you don't understand what w…
/r/MensRights19/01/23 10:33 AM
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I just can't stop reading r/menslib I hate everything there is about it and yet...! I was just reading a post about how feminism benefitted men, needless to say, peak entertainment although there is an underlying theme of tragedy involved.
/r/MensRights19/01/23 10:23 AM
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Are you 100% sure that it didn't indirectly affect MRM even in the slightest? Because this simple formula makes sense to me: Women lose access to abortion => become resentful => blame the patriarchy => feel oppressed and see that they can't even do what they want with their bodies => then finally become convinced of how bad they've got it compared to men in general. Like not even one bit?
/r/MensRights18/01/23 09:54 AM
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Yes, I understand no worries. I just think it's such a shame to not be certain that your mom would have your back 100%, I am not personally targeting your mom here as I don't know her so only you can say, I am just talking about the general concept of the feminist mother to a son. It just screams trouble and subtle child abuse.
/r/MensRights17/01/23 05:39 PM
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I've always found it weird when women bring up locker room talk, like are they that invested in knowing how much cash I'd need before I suck a dick or what? Then one day a buddy of mine was going out with his gf and her group only for them to bring up some of the couple's very intimate bedroom "secrets", the guy is a very private person and felt violated sitting in the midst of a couple of girls talking about his dick. Of course, afterward, she only said something like well I had no idea as if y…
/r/MensRights17/01/23 05:25 PM
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I think that one of the worst parts of feminism is how it demonizes men so that society in general just can't help but feel different degrees of empathy/sympathy for different genders. It's also a shame how their definition of a misogynist is very, very broad, and yet the moment it catches you, you automatically become a very sick dangerous individual. Whereas you could have been just someone who sees more nuance in a particular issue and wishes to convey the point in its entirety and not just a…
/r/MensRights17/01/23 05:15 PM
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Women are truly powerful due to their in-group bias which doesn't exist in men. Maybe that's why they project that into men and think we have some sort of patriarchy and a system designed to protect our "fellow" men. Lol.
/r/MensRights17/01/23 05:05 PM
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I hate the fact that I just watched a bunch of grown ass man discussing masculinity from a feministic lense, I mean wtf? Could this really be a good representation of the male population in the west or is there some sort of selective bias?
/r/MensRights12/01/23 10:58 AM
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One word, no, two. Cognitive dissonance.
/r/AntiFeminists05/01/23 10:14 AM
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While you do make a point can you really disprove the point he's trying to make? That field is heavily female-dominated and therapy was always pushed by progressives which is of course a good thing but it they eventually became inseparable. There has also been some research done on how the therapy approach of emotional-based talking doesn't really resonate with men as well as it does with women since once again it is predominately female. This one is a bit anecdotal but I do find some truth in i…
/r/AntiFeminists05/01/23 09:50 AM
2

Yes absolutely, pity is not really the best foundation for a friendship to start from. I just meant in general and all!
/r/MensRights04/01/23 07:16 PM
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Those things are not really exclusive of one another. Men are so simpy and white-knighty because they have no self-respect because they are not treated well, demonized, guilt-tripped, and shamed because they don't have rights. I think this topic really highlights some of the core differences between the psyches of the average male and female. Don't you guys think that there is a very huge difference between how much an average woman desires a man, and how much an average man desires a woman? The…
/r/MensRights04/01/23 06:28 PM
12

It should definitely be allowed and encouraged even to speak about Tate's content. I don't like the guy personally as I can see that he has his own fair share of issues and misguided opinions, but hating him or the people that follow him is the very best way to assure their radicalization into more extreme views about the dynamic between men and women. The men that follow him are for better or worse a result of years of resentment living in an anti-male society, sometimes it's subtle and other t…
/r/MensRights03/01/23 09:49 PM
2

Good job, and congratulations on the well-deserved success!
/r/MensRights03/01/23 09:27 PM
1

I actually agree with your point and given the biological differences between the two more money should be put into studying women's anatomy. However, this is the issue here, you have an agenda. Just by how easily you've dismissed a huge topic that is worth discussing without even offering an explanation is a testament to that because in your own mind all of this makes sense, it does not. By your dismissal, you are also trying to gloss over the fact that there is not an actual problem of neglect…
/r/MensRights03/01/23 04:09 PM
1

While I do agree with the general sentiment and see that it is more nuanced than what a joke is supposed to carry one cannot deny that extremism is an unavoidable aspect of the human psyche regardless of ideology, religion, and so on... Let's just take for example men's rights we understand that feminism is a big obstacle towards it because it operates under the assumption that men are inherently privileged and lack no rights but only believe that because to them equality feels like oppression. …
/r/MensRights03/01/23 03:32 PM
3

I don't think people are generally that stupid. However, when people utter complete nonsense such as " Easily, by looking both at the history of the field of medicine and complexity of the female body. ", it signifies an emotional investment in the matter which acts as a veil of sorts that eventually leads to people saying the most nonsensical stuff. How can you say what you said without either being a chronically online liberal, a radical leftist, a feminist, a woman, and so on? Basically, some…
/r/MensRights03/01/23 03:13 PM
10

This is just so funny. Whenever a feminist tries to justify the most obvious forms of sexism, non-male privilege, and how our society is gynocentric you get to hear the stupidest statements.
/r/MensRights03/01/23 10:02 AM
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I get it, man, look for a sport that is very physically demanding. Something like MMA, boxing, martial arts, sprinting, and so on... Trust me, it'll do wonders for your mental health. You'll start eating right, drinking well, sunshine, and exercising which would help you manage how the brain negatively impacts the mind, you'll start to feel great. Then through those physically demanding activities you'll find yourself making little goals and achieving them which would greatly enhance your overal…
/r/MensRights03/01/23 09:59 AM
1

Lol reading this I remembered this joke I heard once by Maz Jobrani. It goes something like, "When a Muslim terrorist does something everyone gets up and say 'Good god, those Muslims are dangerous!' but when someone of another religion does something people say 'Welp, what a crazy individual'."
/r/MensRights03/01/23 09:47 AM
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And this is why men make up only 39% of college enrollments and it's on a steady decline. Sorry, brother, it's difficult, I think we can all more or less understand where you're coming from and frankly, no one blames you. Just take good care of yourself and once you feel ready you can find other ways to make a living that are more aligned with your values/personality.
/r/MensRights03/01/23 09:35 AM
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Correct me if I am wrong but generally a newspaper in a liberal arts age doesn't want awareness, although they claim otherwise of course. They want you to reaffirm their beliefs of how they are so oppressed or so woke and progressive to talk about the oppressed group. I think you're giving them too much credit, you'll definitely be canceled if bring up men's issues. Unless of course, you downplay the issue so much, avoid blaming women and feminism, blame the patriarchy and of course thank femini…
/r/MensRights03/01/23 09:07 AM
5

I think we're doing alright actually. Most of us here do understand that women who are mostly feminists see masculinity as inherently toxic and there is nothing we can do to change that unless of course, we adopt their idea of "healthy masculinity" and start deprogramming ourselves from years of misogyny and understand the privilege we have living in a patriarchial society. I mean just how ironic is that really? If you want to be a better man, ask a woman. Just this simple and sinister idea is a…
/r/MensRights03/01/23 08:52 AM
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I checked it out many times before and it's nothing new really. They say that the purpose of that subreddit is to shed light on how toxic and misogynistic this sub is and that they're in fact not against men having rights. However, as you might expect from someone who feels threatened by the notion of men and rights they're a bunch of feminists who feel like we're living in a patriarchy and there is an already sexist system in place that favors men and of course what we talk about here are merel…
/r/MensRights02/01/23 05:39 PM
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againstmensrights add the r/ before because links are automatically deleted for some reason.
/r/MensRights02/01/23 05:16 PM
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With all due respect brother please don't bring in Tate's terminology here, it doesn't help whatsoever. There are clear and precise barriers that we should be aware of in order to carry the conversation forward and the Tate word carries so much weight, misinformation, hate, and worst of all the automatic assumption of being a rapist after the recent shebang. If the goal is to convey a point then chose the road with the less amount of friction, and talk about dads, kids, mental health, and so on.…
/r/MensRights02/01/23 11:08 AM
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Men are privileged as there are no rights to fight for, you only need to understand that equality doesn't mean oppression. Necessary /s
/r/MensRights02/01/23 11:03 AM
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Reddit as a whole is Feminism!
/r/MensRights02/01/23 11:02 AM
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I think that it generates both hate and fear in massive amounts which in turn results in people paying a lot of attention to one of their "camps" if you will. And of course, attention is everything nowadays from social media, enforcing laws, changes of policies, donations, group support, and so on...
/r/MensRights02/01/23 10:45 AM
2

I think that's a very good point, how feminism portrays some aspects of the female human experience as being inherently due to systemic oppression instead of just a natural human occurrence. The example he brought was if a woman just gave birth, which is a brutal experience and puts a heavy toll on the body and the mind then it is only natural for her to require a certain period of time to not only recover but also to connect deeply with that being she just brought to life and for her psyche to …
/r/MensRights02/01/23 10:38 AM
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As ruthless, simple, and direct as this is I think it's pretty much it.
/r/MensRights02/01/23 10:22 AM
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I agree, especially when most of the things we say doesn't align with the narrative they've built around us in their heads. Wouldn't you say that a big core of feminism and how women perceive us revolves around the idea that we're this powerful and privileged by birth group? Thus, it is impossible for men to be seen or accepted as long as one identifies with that ideology.
/r/MensRights01/01/23 11:40 AM
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I just spent the last hour there, fml.
/r/MensRights01/01/23 11:38 AM
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Yes, I agree. But surely it's not as black and white as you make it out to be right? Blame and accountability have a real value in pushing a discourse forward otherwise gaslighting wouldn't have been a term. This is of course from a more general perspective, however, from a more individualistic approach whether things change outwardly or not hardly matters because you still need to take responsibility for your own shit and learn how to navigate the shit that is outside of your control.
/r/MensRights31/12/22 09:45 PM
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I think it's just because you're repeating the same old feminist talking points and those discussions never go anywhere. Look for example just your last point: Ending victim blaming, sex education and widely available contraceptives or lack of all of these is the cause I think in the west we've more or less ended that. Sex education is widely available, victim blaming is something that is for the "bigots" right now and no sane person would blame a victim because it'd signify social suicide, and …
/r/MensRights28/12/22 06:16 PM
2

Yes, it seemed like you were defending and making sense of that video. Like there is nothing more to it and that everyone was helping the woman but laughed when the man was the one who was abused because women are generally weaker physically.
/r/MensRights20/12/22 08:37 PM
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For me it's quite hilarious really, there is nothing more refreshing than seeing a group of delusional people hyping up each other.
/r/MensRights20/12/22 08:26 PM
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Not really no!
/r/MensRights15/12/22 05:05 PM
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Lol you reminded me of that popular post in this sub of google. If your wife shouts at you don't shout back and calm her down, and show her you know your responsibilities. If your husband shouts at you, run and report him to the police. As tragic as that was it was pretty hilarious really. https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/z5u63e/thank\_you\_google/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
/r/MensRights15/12/22 11:15 AM
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I think if we've learned anything from this feminism hegemony is that power should be given based on competence, period. Whether you're human with balls or not doesn't matter, if you can approach any sort of issue without any bias and look at every issue just like how everything is, a complex net of interconnected problems that no amount of stupid and simplistic approaches to satisfy people's egos and victim mentality would work and would only lead to more confusion, ignorance, and destruction t…
/r/MensRights15/12/22 11:10 AM
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It wasn't really that helpful, nothing of substance was actually addressed in that stupid thread. It was all Oh shit what stupid people are these who say kill all men, but oh well it's just a very loud super minority of people but real feminists fight for the equal rights of all! Yet, apparently, these tiny super minority of people are able to change the whole goddamn world cancel shelters for men suffering from domestic abuse, blame the high rate of suicide entirely on men even though for a dis…
/r/MensRights15/12/22 10:59 AM
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Yeah Nourah Vincent's case is really tragic but she was someone who had morals, accountability, and responsibility. So when she saw how empty the ideals she held she dropped them all for the truth, which of course isn't something anyone can do as these people can literally twist everything and make it your fault once again. Just like the high rate of male suicide is because of patriarchy and male suicide while neglecting the fact that women are half the population and to expect any issue to be s…
/r/MensRights14/12/22 12:25 PM
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It's not that simple though, they've been socialized and grown up as women and so their whole psyche revolves around that men privilege, patriarchy, and oppression... If they were feminists and after they transitioned they still have their own social circle who would view them as trans men and give them all the support they need then anything that happens to them outside of their social circle would still fall under the banner of the patriarchy and toxic masculinity, they would also be way less …
/r/MensRights14/12/22 10:42 AM
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Dude, how dystopian is this fucking comment holy shit. You're explaining how it's normal to zone out and you shouldn't be incarcerated for it. The darkest timeline!
/r/MensRights09/12/22 05:04 PM
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Hmm... I doubt a "very small group of women" would be able to change society and make it as it is today. I won't cite all of the areas in which men are at a huge disadvantage as you can look those up but they're certainly not something that can be pushed by a small group of women. Feminism at its core operates under Marxist ideals which require a victim and an oppressor, thus we have what we have today. You can ask just the average woman or feminist in the street whether women are oppressed and …
/r/MensRights05/12/22 01:53 PM
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