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Stop being her buddy that she chats about dating too. Ask her out on a date, don't hesitate away from calling it a date, and see what happens. Best case, she goes on a date with you. Worst case, you escape the friend zone.
/r/seduction18/12/20 10:55 PM
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Go out and lose your virginity. Confidence comes through experience, you can't fake it.
/r/seduction07/10/20 09:56 PM
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The thing is, its disingenuous. If you're genuinely going after any type of women and not caring about physical appearance thats one thing, but going after physically attractive women then pretending its not due to them being attractive is insincere.
/r/seduction02/10/20 10:43 PM
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I feel so many of these posts are just regurgitating other content with these step by step guides. It doesn't need to be a page long. Get a good education and job, look good, have a kind of fun personality and take action.
/r/seduction24/09/20 10:35 PM
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While you shouldn't be on eggshells, the word boyfriend has friend in it. Women want someone they can talk to, share their problems with, who can help them in life and give good advice. They're going to appreciate someone who they find attractive and is their friend far more than just some guy who is a distant off 'hot' sex machine. You shouldn't listen to her complain about other guys, but you should be her friend as well as her sexual partner.
/r/seduction21/08/20 11:50 PM
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I want someone who values me. The women that are a success in my life are the ones that immediately want us to be close
/r/seduction20/08/20 09:58 PM
8

Once you deal with women with high interest in you it becomes very clear what women who don't are like. These women will text you back, immediately, drive conversation, always be free when you want to do something etc. They make themselves available. Short of being at work, there isnt many excuses why she should take more than an hour to get back to you. Usually it will be instant
/r/seduction30/06/20 09:38 PM
10

Don't get involved with married people. I don't really care to judge about if they have a relationship so much, but she's married.
/r/seduction15/06/20 06:48 AM
12

I often find it weird how much people on here love/want/need sex. Sex is ok, I've had it with a decent amount of women. But my god, its not something to live for.
/r/seduction12/06/20 08:17 AM
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God forbid she might enjoy your company, next thing she might even want to spend time with you
/r/seduction06/05/20 09:38 PM
3

Should you apologize? Apologise for what? Speaking to her? Usually i'll just move on if she doesn't respond. Don't want to talk to someone who won't talk to me.
/r/seduction16/04/20 10:14 PM
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I hate this anecdote. Heaps of women want to text you all day. I do wonder if the people saying this 'rule' have ever spoken to women before.
/r/seduction22/03/20 12:34 AM
1

There are average guys everyday in relationships. Look around you, average guys with average women in average relationships.
/r/seduction17/03/20 09:33 PM
1

It is kind of true, but not always. Largely what makes women attractive is beautify. Beauty is attached to fertility so that really starts to taper off in women in their 30s. We biologically know this. Men are fertile their whole lives. So what makes us attractive are different factors that don't really have that upper age cap. We can father children at 50 no problems.
/r/seduction07/03/20 09:27 PM
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Experience usually. A crush comes from unhealthy idolisation. After you've had several relationships you start to realise no one is perfect.
/r/seduction07/03/20 09:22 AM
1

She's not confusing, she just has medium interest at best. When women are into you, they make it easy. I probably wouldn't have went on a date with someone that took 3 days to even respond to me!
/r/seduction24/02/20 10:05 PM
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This really isn't very detailed.
/r/seduction19/02/20 08:34 AM
1

I don't know specifically about the PUA stuff as I never cold approach anyone. But a lot of the self improvement stuff, being confident, less attached, less needy etc is good advice and can be applied to most areas of your life.
/r/seduction15/02/20 11:45 PM
20

This is now the third thread on this subject by yourself. You didn't get rejected as you weren't asking for anything from them.
/r/seduction15/02/20 08:03 AM
3

They took your flowers, but did you get any numbers or anything?
/r/seduction15/02/20 05:54 AM
10

This comes across as a bit creepy. Just offer your friendship, no tokens.
/r/seduction14/02/20 11:33 PM
2

The thing with the cold approaching is these reasons will be there for the vast majority of women. So if the goal = hooking up with her, then cold approaching is not likely to lead to that.
/r/seduction06/02/20 09:49 PM
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Na. The perfect girl is one that actually wants you. The only women you should think about are ones that want you. The women who don't want you shouldn't have any space in your head.
/r/seduction05/02/20 10:28 PM
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Yes, clearly. Most men and women do not find intelligence as a turn on. Intelligence clearly isn't an indicator of genetic fitness that people look for.
/r/seduction05/02/20 10:04 PM
3

This. Responses like "I lost count" sound insecure. Just be your genuine self.
/r/seduction05/02/20 09:47 PM
1

MOVE ON She's not going to message you on valentines day, she'll message one of the several other guys she is talking to. She's said she's not interested, take a hint.
/r/seduction05/02/20 09:38 PM
1

It will be a disaster/train wreck. I dated a 19 year old when I was 26. It was not a good thing. 10 more years age difference won't help.
/r/seduction05/02/20 07:23 AM
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"I wore a tube top for you" She is clearly interested. Go for it.
/r/seduction02/02/20 01:54 AM
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Oh I agree. I'm not saying it doesn't matter. I'm just curious how many women I date tell me it doesn't matter and they don't care. I've just wondered if this is a bit of delusion on their behalf. For them to be dating someone tall, then telling them height doesn't matter.
/r/seduction27/01/20 06:56 AM
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The same way any guy can. Work on your fitness, work on your career, work on your social status, work on your interactions. No, there is no answer to "I'm a loser, can I get girls as a loser". As a guy, the answer is always: get better. I don't care if you'll never be a 10/10 or even a 7/10. But get better. Be your best self. If you think you're currently a 2/10 then become a 5/10. That puts you in the range of about half the dating population.
/r/seduction15/01/20 08:45 AM
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Women seem to like texting you all day. Its clear its just texting for the sake of texting too.
/r/seduction06/01/20 09:21 PM
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People talk like messing up is the worst, but you have to learn. You really don’t learn through success. Messing up in a oneitis type situation made me far more assertive which helped long term. They can ignite a flame in you
/r/seduction23/12/19 11:59 AM
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Same here. Its because you can play off groups. Allow the conversation to flow and input when you're comfortable. When you're alone you have the whole weight on yourself.
/r/seduction21/12/19 11:30 PM
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Talk to everyone. All the time, it keeps you fresh. You'll quite often find you make friends in the process.
/r/seduction21/12/19 11:19 PM
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She’s rejected you twice. Have some self respect. You’ve lost sight of the idea you are the prize. I don’t care if you don’t really believe it, you should only want someone who treats you with respect. Here is what you do, if you really don’t care about the friendship next time she asks you out just tell her that you’re only interested in dating.
/r/seduction21/12/19 11:00 AM
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I generally find when women flirt harder, they're interested and wanting you to escalate. I find the myth that women flirt with everyone is greatly overemphasised on here. Some people do flirt in a very low level way, but if they're giving you higher indicators then they're at least somewhat receptive.
/r/seduction16/12/19 07:35 AM
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In my experience it depends on the nature of the flirting. Low level flirting, a kind of jokey banter is common and people do it with everyone. This is nothing and doesn't mean anything. But a bit 'higher level', flirting, the banter, with the strong eye contact, touching etc is typically showing some form of actual intent. Low level flirting is really difficult to seperate from friendliness.
/r/seduction16/12/19 07:34 AM
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Indeed. I find it uplifting, not depressing. It’s insulting to chase after someone just mucking you around. The second you stop, you gain that self respect back
/r/seduction08/12/19 10:34 PM
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This is why you need to be assertive early on. Ask them on a date, make it clear. If they’re still mucking you around then you withdraw after that.
/r/seduction08/12/19 08:33 PM
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The words “slut” and “village bike” are abhorrent, as she’s still a human and can be a good person. However I agree with you in that it’s a major red flag.
/r/seduction29/11/19 10:42 AM
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Need to ask her out already. Physical touch and flirting don't mean nothing. You are going to put yourself in the friendzone if you keep messaging her without escalating.
/r/seduction28/11/19 08:48 AM
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The point is valid, in that if you're not having sex with her you shouldn't be emotionally investing in her.
/r/seduction28/11/19 08:43 AM
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Is she leaving her job for you? Then don’t leave yours for her. At the end of the day you just have to realize she is not fretting over you. She’s enjoying her life with her boyfriend. It sucks when you have lower self worth, but why would you bother to want someone who doesn’t want you? It doesn’t matter how great she is, there are millions of other great women; some may want you, some may not. She’s no different to any of them.
/r/seduction28/11/19 03:37 AM
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indeed
/r/seduction25/11/19 09:31 PM
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Last thing, don't do any of this if you want to keep your job. Otherwise, have at it. I don't shit where I eat, but if it's a job I don't really care about losing, shrug. If you're in a professional career related job this is important, but for some college service job who cares. Thats what they're for.
/r/seduction25/11/19 07:54 AM
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Be honest with yourself. You don't want to be just friends with her. There is nothing wrong with that. That doesn't mean you don't respect her. I'm not suggesting being rude to her, simply showing that the only relationship you desire is a genuine one. Being friends with a women you desire is awful.
/r/seduction24/11/19 04:16 AM
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There is only one way I've found. You reduce attention, when (if) she comes seeking it back, you ask her out. if she doesn't go along with that, you again cut your attention. You have to genuinely be willing to lose any form of friendship/relationship. You need to send the message you are not one of her guy friends, if she is not hooking up with you then you are not interested.
/r/seduction24/11/19 04:05 AM
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I find it very weak overall. I think Corey Wayne's book is far more applicable to the real world. Model's reads well, but its far too overcomplicated. The ideas that you need are not that complex.
/r/seduction23/11/19 11:18 PM
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The underlying message is fine. I like the part about vulnerability in which many men play games to avoid it, as in, withdrawing attention in order to claim 'power' but they're not actually achieving anything. They are still reactive and that is not true power. But the terminology is completely wrong. Men as a whole will be punished for vulnerability (otherwise known as weakness).
/r/seduction23/11/19 11:17 PM
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Yep. The second you start getting nervous the interactions will go to hell.
/r/seduction23/11/19 11:05 PM
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I find after a while without it you just stop caring. After two back to back LTRs in my 20s I went 2 years, I was just sick of it, sick of women and wanted to be alone. Didn't crave it, didn't really think about it. Its only when you start actively dating women again it comes back.
/r/seduction22/11/19 11:29 PM
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He’s trying way too hard. Just give her a time and place.
/r/seduction21/11/19 11:49 AM
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She's clearly showing interest and you clearly didn't ask her anything at all. You're not making statements, you're just dancing about. Ask her specifically to do something on a time and date. She literally told you she was interested in getting dinner with you
/r/seduction21/11/19 10:32 AM
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I’m very surprised at that. For most people, it transforms you.
/r/seduction16/11/19 08:27 AM
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A lot of guys start, probably somewhere in their early-mid 20s having poor social skills, no real career to speak of, no fitness. They want women. Thats natural, its a natural human drive. If men didn't want women they'd probably sit around forever in caves. Realistically with no career, fitness or social skills you're only going to have access to low quality women, so men are told to improve themselves. They get an education, get fit, make friends, work on talking to others, all of these things…
/r/seduction16/11/19 07:04 AM
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Without giving any useful advice, I struggle to believe that these women don't know that it is meant to be a date. A boyfriend doesn't mean as much as I used to think it did. The more attractive you get the more women are completely willing to leave their boyfriends for you. I was shocked by it. Don't overreact to it unless they're using it as a clear message.
/r/seduction09/11/19 07:21 AM
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She was at your house, she was already interested. You could have escalated in other ways and she would have been receptive. I don't recommend using that line in general.
/r/seduction07/11/19 09:20 PM
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Guys start text conversations and have boring, drawn out texting things that just make you come across as boring. Its very hard to have fun over text, you can't laugh or joke very well. Its therefore best distanced.
/r/seduction07/11/19 09:04 PM
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Practice not caring. Abundance. If you talk to her, and you say something stupid, or don't act cool or whatever its very easy to beat yourself up about it for hours/days and it increases the nervousness the next time. The attitude you should take is if you mess up, it's a learning experience, it doesn't matter as there are 100 women around the corner. I'm at the point that i feel I can go talk to women in most locations and they'll be interested in having a chat with me. So if you mess up with o…
/r/seduction06/11/19 07:37 AM
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Just tell her kindly that you appreciated the time together, but you would like to move on. I assume she is ok with it not being anything serious, if that is the case tell her you'd like to focus on actually dating. If she wants it to be more of course don't use that line. This is lesson 101 on why sleeping with co workers is a bad idea. Even if it doesn't blow up, its awkward.
/r/seduction04/11/19 08:40 AM
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Depends on your life. I would recommend having some friends and some career trajectory yep. Otherwise dating may distract you from obtaining more important things
/r/seduction04/11/19 05:16 AM
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I find guys don't want to hear it, but getting with women while your life isn't in order will just make it worse to an extent. Especially if you want to actually date them. To have a full-filling romantic life you have to have a full-filling life. If you're lacking friends, or have a shit dead end job the second a woman comes into your life its just going to emphasise what you're lacking as it will be something else you have to worry about.
/r/seduction03/11/19 09:37 PM
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You tend to find also, that as you take the risks, you realise you can do it and you get more confident. Even if you only half succeed thats a hell of a lot better than the 0 success you have not trying. The really powerful thing with anxiety conquering is when you have a situation with high anxiety. You survive it and you you show you succeed despite it. Worrying about getting anxiety is a self full-filling prophecy.
/r/seduction02/11/19 05:55 AM
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You're texting too much. All it does is kill attraction. If you match, she finds you attractive. Get a phone number, set up a date. I made this mistake all the time when I was in my early 20s (although back then we didn't have tinder). I'd chat to them online for hours and it has NO purpose.
/r/seduction01/11/19 11:00 PM
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Rich hobbies and social life is usually only important to keep women. For getting sex, initially, it makes very little difference.
/r/seduction01/11/19 10:42 PM
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Its a social hierarchy thing, even if not directly connected to money. If you wear a suit, you're important. Women do care about that sort of thing, even disconnecting it from the money aspect. They want to be with someone who is viewed as impressive.
/r/seduction01/11/19 09:03 PM
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It's hard for men to put themselves in the shoes of a woman, especially regarding sexual attraction. Every day there are posts about "What does a woman look sexiest in?" versus "What does a man look sexiest in?" Men find a variety of things women wear attractive, but the overwhelming majority of women only think a man in a suit is attractive. This is very true, how big of a deal being in a suit makes. Its uncanny. I'm in an industry that I have to wear a suit at times, or at the very least busin…
/r/seduction01/11/19 08:55 PM
2

Being able to walk away is the key ingredient. I see a lot you shouldn’t show interest, you should. Interest is fine. But interest with the attitude it doesn’t matter if we’re successful or not is vital. I’ve had a few situations were I’ve messed up with women, moved on mentally but because I keep interacting with them they’ve become more interested than ever. Simply because I no longer thought I had a shot and therefore had no investment.
/r/seduction31/10/19 01:23 PM
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Indeed. I'm very early 30s and its amazing how old many people my age look. A lot of women look and feel 20 years older. It would look incredibly awkward if I was to date them. Everyone shames you for dating younger, but I don't see whats not to like about a 24-26 year old. They're plenty mature enough and most still look attractive and youthful. When you get a bit younger, like say 21-22, I find women seem very very young in that age range and you have nothing in common. I know it sounds bad, b…
/r/seduction27/10/19 03:56 AM
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The thing i'm not used to is how aggressive they are. They are almost relentless and I've had it happen in fairly inappropriate situations (like work). I actually know a little how women feel with most guys now.
/r/seduction26/10/19 11:55 PM
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Escalate and see. Its always the easiest method. Ask her out.
/r/seduction26/10/19 03:53 AM
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I thought this when I originally saw the image. I'm not sure why its marked wholesome. It is showing three obviously very capable creatures giving advice to an incapable creature that may not be very applicable. Its like a 6'4' guy telling a 5ft guy to just be confident.
/r/seduction25/10/19 11:55 PM
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As a guy he faces risk. He may want you, but know even if he made a move and something happened it could have serious consequences for him. If you date for a month and break up he has to work with you. If you flat out reject him it could ruin his reputation. If you want something to happen you have to take risk. Not flirt, not be kind of suggestive, but actually say let’s go out to this place.
/r/seduction24/10/19 11:35 AM
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And if the girl isn't buying the 2nd round or willing to leave after that then goodbye. It's just a normal thing for the girl to pay without being asked, even if she's hot, because hot girls can be and usually are normal people, not like this broken individual. Do you find the woman asking to buy the second shout a good sign or a bad one? I've had it happen on a couple of dates, I'm never quite sure if its her trying to show a reduction of interest so you don't spend money on her, or her trying …
/r/seduction24/10/19 09:53 AM
1

Not really. Most women who are super into you, talking and having fun is enough.
/r/seduction22/10/19 08:39 PM
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Also actually ask women out. Most guys would be so successful if they actually took a step like that.
/r/seduction22/10/19 09:15 AM
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That is the same for all women. You have to talk to them. One weird thing I've learnt over the years is that some attractive women will like you, some won't. Some average women will like you, some won't. It not as linear as you'd think.
/r/seduction22/10/19 09:13 AM
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Yeah it is. Having to label everything black and white as a date shows a lack of confidence. If you ask someone to hang out and place yourself in a position you can actually escalate that is a positive
/r/seduction20/10/19 11:07 AM
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Bit too direct. Flirt and ask them to hang out.
/r/seduction20/10/19 04:22 AM
7

Just ask them to hang out. It doesn't have to be some special event, even catching a movie is fine. If she's interested she'll do anything with you.
/r/seduction20/10/19 04:07 AM
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For me it was when I learned you had to escalate. I'd often get involved in these situations were she was clearly interested, but I just kept waiting for the 'right' sign. Then after you didn't do anything, she loses interest and/or starts dating someone else. If you sense someone likes you, try and spend time with them. Its that simple.
/r/seduction20/10/19 01:15 AM
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It sucks to start with, because you're worried if you mess up that will somehow effect you. It won't. Actually messing up and being fine will make you better with the next women. You get to the point you really don't care.
/r/seduction20/10/19 01:13 AM
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Why do you feel you're getting less attractive? Realistically if you work on your fitness and career, your 30s should be your prime for men. You can date women in their 20s and in their 30s so you have a very broad selection. Without stating what areas you feel you're falling down with its hard to give specific advice.
/r/seduction20/10/19 01:12 AM
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You're not escalating. If a woman is interested and available, she wants you to act fast. Sure, let the attraction build over a couple of interactions but then you have to actually do something. By just flirting and texting, youre waiting for her to make the move.
/r/seduction18/10/19 11:00 PM
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While that may work if all you want is experience talking to women, its going to kill any attraction.
/r/seduction18/10/19 10:57 PM
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Just move on. Ask yourself, would a guy who values himself put up with this? You're not going to take any disrespect, you're not going to chase.
/r/seduction14/10/19 09:03 PM
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It can be a good motivational factor. What got me into fitness was when I broke up with a 4 year LTR. I responded with that pain with excessive training. When when the pain dissipated, I kept training. Many people, while obsessing over one particular girl, will learn the general principles that will bring them a range of women.
/r/seduction13/10/19 09:08 PM
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You're still putting your confidence in external validation. Be confident that you are ok with who you are and you live a good life. If your 'confidence' is based on women liking you, then you will swing up and down like a yo yo with their interest levels.
/r/seduction12/10/19 07:16 AM
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As you're a woman, based on the question. Just set dates up.
/r/seduction12/10/19 03:35 AM
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At the moment, you're just an orbiter. You are giving this girl daily attention and she's not giving you anything back at all. I'm not saying the validation isn't useful. But if this girl is say, an 8/10. Something genuine with a 6/10 is going to be far better than this nothing.
/r/seduction12/10/19 03:35 AM
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You’re more invested than you’re being honest with yourself about. I know because I’ve been there. I bet the thought of her going home to her boyfriend hurts right? You’re enjoying the validation and don’t want to cut it off. My take would be this isn’t healthy for you. You’re settling for scraps because you’re not sure you can do better. I’d either escalate or cut her off. You’ve taken the benefit from this
/r/seduction12/10/19 03:17 AM
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Then escalate. That’s about 10/10 on the IOI. But I sense you’re not sure if you want to
/r/seduction12/10/19 02:47 AM
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If you enjoy the mutual intention flirting is good practice. The only problem is when you get caught up This sort of thing is prime for getting caught up in too. As in most potential relationships you escalate and then you have your answer. But in these you’re never quite sure if you can or should. So they tend to have staying power
/r/seduction12/10/19 02:43 AM
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Then make up your mind. You need to decide what you're going to do. She could be doing one of four things 1) Just enjoying the attention. Everyone loves to feel attractive, especially women in relationships. Doesn't necessarily mean anything. If this is the case she'll just want to continue flirting and never act. 2) She is trying to cheat. Self explanatory. 3) She is not that into the boyfriend and would like to leave him for someone else. 4) She's trying to keep guys on the hook in the situati…
/r/seduction12/10/19 02:16 AM
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Depends what 'she's taken' means. She's taken as in, she's said no to you, but continues to flirt? Or she's taken but has encouraged you and you've never made a move? If a girl is taken and has rejected you already then MOVE ON.
/r/seduction12/10/19 01:35 AM
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this is very common. If you're really into someone, even if you know how to act, its not always easy to act that way. Once you have written them off in your head, you go back to your old behaviour that attracted them to begin with and they start to come around again. I'd let it simmer for a bit more though until she actually makes some kind of move by reaching out to you.
/r/seduction12/10/19 01:05 AM
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In what way?
/r/seduction12/10/19 01:04 AM
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You’re not “letting her go”. You never had her. She’s actively ignoring you. Have some self respect. Unless someone actively tries to improve your life then remove them from it. This is pathetic.
/r/seduction10/10/19 10:35 AM
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Interesting perspective. Thanks for that.
/r/seduction10/10/19 03:47 AM
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It’s a good question. Which is why I asked. I dislike that sort of thing myself and would never attend. I suspect it revolves around they being the type of place women go to hook up. Which isn’t desirable in an actual relationship if you’re constantly in that environment.
/r/seduction10/10/19 03:38 AM
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The big thing about seduction is, you get the girl, then what? Guys get a bit fixated on 'winning' the situation. But is this a person you want to hang around a lot? She might be fun to date and hook up with, but are you actually going to want to spend your free time with her?
/r/seduction09/10/19 09:49 PM
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You need to set boundaries. You’re obviously not happy with being friends, so ask her out. If she flakes, cut communication, if she texts you again, ask her out. You need to make it clear you’re only interested in more. Not being friends. If she isn’t within that boundary, you Move on.
/r/seduction09/10/19 12:10 PM
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You have two options 1) actively try and escalate. Ask her out, confidently. Make it something. 2) pull back and see if her interest returns. Cut her out too, let her see you with other women. If she initiates again, do 1).
/r/seduction08/10/19 09:28 PM
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Women dont typically text and compliment you for no reason. they're quite calculated. Initiating messages in most situations is a green light.
/r/seduction08/10/19 09:19 PM
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Who would even want a girl that doesn’t want them? If they have no interest I’m not sure how you could even feel close or attracted to them. The ones that suck are the women that are attracted to you and you can’t make it work
/r/seduction08/10/19 01:06 PM
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Sorry I see nothing wrong with what she did here. You two are not exclusive, talking isn’t anything. If you want a girl to be exclusive with you date, then escalate. Then you’re actually something. A girl talking to you for a couple of months is not anything. I talk to potentially interested women every day, I don’t expect they’re not living their life because of me unless we’re actually seriously dating.
/r/seduction08/10/19 12:36 PM
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I would send her a text in a week, maybe. Just one, see how it goes. If it doesn't go anywhere cut off.
/r/seduction07/10/19 09:55 PM
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You don't notice it because you're used to it. Attractive people don't know the world when they're not attractive. Everyone is just a little nicer, everyone a little more receptive. Height is important for a guy and even those without it will agree. You're 1-2 attractiveness points above someone who is 5'8' all other things being equal just due to that height. As a guy its never easy unless you are like a 8-9 in looks. You can still be a tall 6 in attractiveness.
/r/seduction07/10/19 09:40 PM
1

Thats a good point. Never thought of it like that before
/r/seduction07/10/19 09:04 PM
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I’d also argue men are actually mislead their whole lives into patterns of behavior which don’t lead to success.
/r/seduction07/10/19 02:15 AM
3

It sounds arrogant, but I have seen women talk about their boyfriends when trying to project themselves as desirable, or as a defence if they think you're not into them. It confused me at first, because why would they mention the boyfriend only when things have cooled down? I think sometimes its defensive. I've also seen it used jealously, such as when you're talking to another women they'll throw their boyfriend out there.
/r/seduction05/10/19 10:43 PM
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This is pretty low level interest at best. All you can do is escalate, then you'll have something concrete to work with.
/r/seduction02/10/19 12:27 AM
1

Probably about as successful as anyone could be just entering an apartment store and asking everyone.
/r/seduction29/09/19 08:55 AM
6

You go to the gym once every two weeks and expect results? what? The gym isn't something you just hang out at occasionally. You need to go 3x a week or more and actually work out hard.
/r/seduction28/09/19 11:19 AM
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Yep. Absolutely. A girl that is into you will never call you the word friend. She'll seem uncomfortable if you refer to her as that also. What you should do is withdraw from her and be seen with other women. This is a very clear cut case. Remove your attention. Women always respond to you withdrawing your attention, 60% of the time it works every time.
/r/seduction25/09/19 06:10 AM
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Also, sometimes the end goal isn't to always 'get the girl'. Its about self respect. She wasn't respecting him, so he should have removed her from that situation. Sex is a two way thing, she enjoys it too. If you view yourself as the prize you're unwilling to give that to some woman who is mucking you around.
/r/seduction24/09/19 09:35 PM
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Most guys all around get in relationships. Its not really all that hard to end up in a relationship with a so-so attractive women. If she's attracted enough to you, there is practically nothing you can do to fuck it up. Most of what you learn here is really only needed for women of 7.5 attractive level and up, which realistically are the type of women you'd meet in the real world and call attractive.
/r/seduction24/09/19 07:25 AM
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I sort of agree. I don’t think they either find you attractive or not though. Because attraction does tend to wane over time. The more you get used to someone the less attractive you find them typically, or the less exciting. A woman that may have been into you initially may not feel the same if they know you for 2 years and you don’t make a move. However I do agree that people on here drastically overestimate how quickly women lose interest. It’s not going to go away in a week or two unless the…
/r/seduction23/09/19 12:39 PM
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I feel women are fairly selective with their compliments. They know how guys interpret them. So if they go out of their way to comment on something about you, it usually consciously means "hey I like you". It depends on the conversation, if you were saying "yeah I bought this shirt last weekend" and they said "I like your shirt". Thats very different to her coming up and saying that out of the blue as a compliment.
/r/seduction22/09/19 09:13 PM
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Not really. At the end of the day unless you’re actually dating her she’s not providing you with value. Once you realize that it’s literally just a nothing, then you will be able to move onto chase something.
/r/seduction22/09/19 10:21 AM
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Then don't. This is an interest, no one is forcing you to do it. Some people like say, restoring vintage cars. That requires knowledge, skill, practice, time, money etc. It gives them fulfilment. Being good with women requires the same things. I got into this not really to get better with women, but because I think it makes you a more confident person. Nearly everything you learn here will flow directly into every human interaction you have.
/r/seduction21/09/19 09:36 AM
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By opening your awareness, you'll notice that some women act serious and sophisticated around other people, but they act girly and giggle when they're with you. Is this seen as a sign? I have noticed that some women will seem particularly immature when they're having a good time with you.
/r/seduction21/09/19 07:56 AM
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You're too focused on the age. 40 is not old. I know a lot of 40 year olds that are fit as hell and put most guys in their 20s to shame. Your insecurity about the age will only be a problem if you frame it as one. Women do not care unless you look old.
/r/seduction21/09/19 07:16 AM
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I’m not sure if this is wisdom or scares me. There is certainly some truth to it, women will use it to gain favor just as everyone does. But are guys in their 30s unattractive to women in their 20s now? That’s news to me. The last few women I hooked up with were 20-25.
/r/seduction20/09/19 01:28 PM
2

Thats not necessarily mixed signals. Sometimes women will talk about guys they're dating to try and invoke jealousy from you. Ask her out. That will force her to either say yes or no.
/r/seduction19/09/19 11:25 PM
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It shouldn't. It really doesn't matter
/r/seduction19/09/19 08:21 AM
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At this point the 'boyfriend' is completely elementary. Its just a word, it has no meaning. This girl is just a single girl hooking up with guys. Under no circumstances do you want to get feelings for this girl. She's trash. But hookup if you want.
/r/seduction19/09/19 07:38 AM
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The thing that kind of sucks is both genders are fairly ignorant and dumb through most of their 20s. I was actually very good looking in my early 20s but had no confidence and even when women came onto me I managed to fuck it up. But as a guy you have time to learn and improve. Women only have this tiny window. He says late 30s, but for many women by their late 20s the prime is gone.
/r/seduction17/09/19 12:23 PM
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As a “talk to everyone”er, one of the most impressive thing to women is being able to make a positive impression and befriend others. It doesn’t seem to matter if the other person is 60 and unattractive. They love it.
/r/seduction15/09/19 10:17 AM
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A lot of women have boyfriends simply because they view them as better than being single: they’re not the love of their life. They don’t want to marry them. But they’re convenient, they’re there. If given a better offer they may go for that. They may not. Just like any other woman. However as she has a boyfriend there is an increased risk to you. He may get angry and go after you. Work out if it’s with it.
/r/seduction15/09/19 06:30 AM
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Well, I get that. But most women if you're hanging out and having sex will want something more.
/r/seduction15/09/19 04:33 AM
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Sometimes burning bridges help you move on. Its why they say if you like a woman you should ask her out quickly, you get your answer.
/r/seduction14/09/19 10:19 PM
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I think also, many women just aren't that attracted to their boyfriends anymore. They probably have sex, but I doubt its great sex, the newness is worn off. The boyfriend becomes more like their friend and travel buddy. They want to keep that, but they want to sleep with someone they deem genuinely attractive. I think being the side guy for many men is actually a pretty good gig. You get fairly consistent access to sex, but the cost is very low to you in terms of time and resources. I see the ap…
/r/seduction14/09/19 05:27 AM
1

I do feel sorry for the men. Because you can bet they're spending a lot of time and money taking her on holidays, taking her to dinner etc. Yet she's willing to risk all of that.
/r/seduction14/09/19 05:00 AM
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Honest question, what should we do in these situations? I've had a few women with boyfriends pursue me lately. I'm never quite sure if they're genuinely interested, looking for attention, looking for a hookup, hoping to leave him for me etc. I think ultimately for us, as long as we don't want a serious relationship I don't see the issue. I Know morally we should be above it, but if you're seeing anyone casually you have to assume they're sleeping with others anyway so it doesn't matter.
/r/seduction14/09/19 04:45 AM
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Ignore the guy, escalate. Most attractive women are seeing someone. If it’s not serious it doesn’t matter
/r/seduction13/09/19 11:04 AM
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If you were interested in her and she was single why didn’t you escalate immediately? Being close at work means nothing. Women will often try and hide or downplay the boyfriend from guys they’re interested in, but this doesn’t sound like that.
/r/seduction13/09/19 10:04 AM
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I suspect it comes from the mentality of 'orbiting'. There are levels. Like the guy who texts her all day and talks to her about her boyfriend hoping to sleep with her. Pathetic orbiting. Taking her out to one on one meals and listening to her problems with ulterior motives. Orbiting. But a mutual relationship in which you joke and have fun? Never really felt demeaning to me. The problem is men are getting told this is demeaning and they should feel ashamed for it. If you can't have female frien…
/r/seduction13/09/19 09:22 AM
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I think any person with value should be about giving value through interactions. Being bitter about feeling rejected is the opposite of value. I must admit, I struggle with this too. But all I know is that when I have fun around women who I've dated and it didn't work out with, I feel much better. I feel more confident. If I avoid or ignore them then it makes me feel weak.
/r/seduction13/09/19 09:19 AM
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I like this mindset. I think there are two attitudes to it. If you're interested in someone, you don't want to be 'too' friends. As in long phone conversations about their boyfriend or whatever. I wouldn't participate in that. But I really don't see what you have to lose by having fun interactions if you have to see them for other reasons. If he has to see her for soccer, I don't think joking around with her during that interaction is 'orbiting' is it? Seems a hell of a lot better than acting al…
/r/seduction13/09/19 09:16 AM
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As long as you’re still approaching other women Oneitis can actually be useful, as you tend to be cool with the other women and not really value them
/r/seduction12/09/19 09:26 AM
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The common thought we often see, even among some PUA coaches, is that girls should never be screened out, and whatever she does, you should always be thinking of the angle to get in there or you've "fucked up." Man, this is some truth right. I feel that in many communities if you don't go for someone despite reasons she presents not to than you're an incel etc. Glad this sub has a more moderate approach.
/r/seduction11/09/19 08:44 AM
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Doesn't mean everything. I know plenty of guys in awful relationships that have very little friends or lives. They have a woman that very irregularly has sex with them (maybe once a fortnight if they're lucky).
/r/seduction07/09/19 11:48 PM
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You just have to step up and ask her out. Start with conversation, escalate with getting her number and asking her to an event of your deciding. People will be here shortly to say dont shit were you eat, but if its just some nothing restaurant job for you I wouldn't worry.
/r/seduction01/09/19 12:39 AM
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This is an awesome post. Thanks a lot, deserves more upvotes. I like the whole don’t be afraid of rejection but don’t seek it bit. I think sometimes guys like to be rejected so they can move on, knowing and framing the outcome before they try. This can only cost face.
/r/seduction25/08/19 01:16 PM
1

Talk to people. its the best way you can get better at talking to people. If you feel slightly uncomfortable, strike up a conversation. You will get better. One thing I've really noticed is women are very impressed with men who can get along and talk with everyone. If you can immediately befriend complete strangers, they find that so attractive.
/r/seduction25/08/19 06:14 AM
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That said, it's not uncommon to interpret something as a rejection when it's not, so figuring out if you have a rejection or a bad mindset, is the first step. That’s a very good point and something I have to work on. It’s very easy to interpret inaction as rejection. It’s not.
/r/seduction24/08/19 11:57 AM
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I hear you. Basically any behavior is defensive on some level. But the thing is, of course you care. I might not care about some random I approach, but if it’s someone I’ve taken time to know and get close to then yes, I likely do care. I agree that moving on is the best situation and not caring. But until that happens I think acting in a way that raises your frame rather than diminishing it is useful. It’s like when you approach women, there are several learned behaviors that you exhibit. Most …
/r/seduction23/08/19 09:52 AM
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I didn’t mean tall naturally equals good looking. It’s just an element. You can be tall, built and have a good face and still get 0 women if you have no idea how to talk to them and escalate
/r/seduction20/08/19 03:59 PM
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Long distance is the worst of every world possible and will likely make you hate eachother.
/r/seduction19/08/19 09:29 PM
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Most men are dating women they're not very attracted to, they haven't had many partners, they need to act like wimps to avoid being dumped and they hate their lives. Or the women are attractive, but treat them poorly, boss them around, use all their income etc. Most relationships aren't really all that great for men.
/r/seduction19/08/19 09:21 AM
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Also, you only really need this sort of thing to get someone at or kind of above your league. If you're a 7.5, you can get 5s all day every day. Being needy, being pathetic. Telling them your feelings. etc.
/r/seduction19/08/19 09:20 AM
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Its the catch 22 of any seduction/pickup community. Men really should focus primarily on their life purposes with women being something that kind of comes to them after it. Its kind of sad actually the ones that spend their time, day in day out developing formulas and cold approaching tactics. The biological drive to get women can be a powerful motivator though, especially when channeled to useful things.
/r/seduction18/08/19 09:27 PM
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If they view you positively they fill in the blanks with positives. If they view you negatively they fill them in with negatives. You have to share something, but not too much. Let them wonder, but paint some picture of yourself. For instance, if you go out, say maybe once a month. throw that into a conversation somewhere, but don't imply its all you do. It will make them think its a fairly common occurrence.
/r/seduction18/08/19 01:06 AM
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Some women actually do not like chit chatting over text. I've always assumed that they all do and its a sign of disinterest, but I have run into a couple that were very interest in person but not over text.
/r/seduction15/08/19 09:10 PM
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There isn't really any tip for this, but just know, the more interactions you have, the more chemistry you will need for them to go well. That is why the pickup community always pushes quick escalation, as you will run out of topics unless you of course have a natural chemistry.
/r/seduction09/08/19 11:54 PM
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mid 20s is still very young. Don't worry about it. Most people never learn anything.
/r/seduction04/08/19 10:05 PM
1

Its always about insecurity. Thats why women say they prefer dad bods. Its not that they find it attractive, it means that he is less attractive to other women and therefore her possession. Realistically its why most guys probably prefer to date a loyal 6 or 7 than try and get say an 8.5 that they'd have to work very hard to keep.
/r/seduction04/08/19 12:09 PM
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Thanks for the positive feedback. I think reading on here does help just do this sort of thing instinctively. She obviously liked my response because she goes, "sorry, sorry sorry then yells SORRY" while laughing. I think if you caved and complied with her request though she'd probably view that negatively.
/r/seduction02/08/19 09:24 AM
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Na, I was only joking too. I noticed she'd been trying to kind of get me to do things for her, and I felt I should resist doing this, she said "Aren't I your boss?" and I said "Don't get too far ahead of yourself" which she kept apologising jokingly. I'm always a bit careful not to fall for those compliance tests.
/r/seduction02/08/19 09:16 AM
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Practice. The more women you talk to the better you get at it. You'd be surprised how much confidence you can carry away from even an interaction you don't escalate successfully. You start off kind of nervous and shitty at talking to women, then you get better and can hold great, flirty conversations but are shitty at escalating, then you learn how to actually escalate properly. Its step by step.
/r/seduction02/08/19 07:02 AM
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It can also come from being content being alone. Once you've had some relationship experience, some men get the kind of attitude like "I could take it or leave it". If you're not desperate for one, then its the same nonchalance.
/r/seduction31/07/19 06:04 AM
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I wish more guys understood THIS point! Game covers all aspects of your life: friendships, relationships, business networking, etc. This is why I keep coming back here. Tbh, I don't really care that much about landing women. I've had relationships, they're ok, I can either take them or leave them. But using the goal of women to improve yourself and your life? Worth doing.
/r/seduction28/07/19 11:23 AM
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Don't force it. But the only way you ever get better at talking to people is by talking to people. Its not even with the end seduction goal, its just that talking to people makes you well liked. Who doesn't like someone who takes an active interest in them?
/r/seduction28/07/19 10:57 AM
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Focus on talking to women more. Just out in the world. Doesn't matter if you want to date them or find them attractive. If there is a girl serving you at a grocery store just ask how her day was. Don't expect anything from the interaction, give something, then walk away. Keep doing this. After a few months you're doing it to every person you meet, asking them how they are, how their day was. They might give you a small tidbit about it, follow that up. If they don't give you a lead, then don't wo…
/r/seduction28/07/19 10:44 AM
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For me, high energy works. Try and seem like you're having a good time, laugh, look interested, make her laugh. That energy plays off each other and you both become more calm and open up.
/r/seduction26/07/19 11:29 PM
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The best bit about it is you seem far more indifferent. Although men on this sub may know better, most guys if they have limited options put way too much attention on their sole option. They text and chat with her endlessly and she can feel it. If you have options, you're not going to be spending your free time trying to chase after her. You have other things to do.
/r/seduction26/07/19 11:28 PM
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This is not a good guide. If you are texting a woman with a life, be that she may be at work, may be with her friends, may be in class, are you really going to get pissy if she takes 20-40 minutes to respond? When I'm at home I often sit my phone down and don't check it for an hour. I understand the mentality, but the listed times aren't realistic. I've had women take hours to get back to my text but are still super interested. To me you should look into the "never the next day" rule. If she's a…
/r/seduction25/07/19 10:10 PM
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Making too big of a deal of the age thing. Women in their early 20s happily date a guy in his late 20s. That’s not even an issue.
/r/seduction23/07/19 06:11 AM
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People here will tell you to accept this, but personally I wouldn’t date someone that acts like this. The thing is though, if you try and change her you will seem insecure. So ask yourself, you can either put up with it. Or date someone else. There is no other options really. Force her to stop and she’ll resent you and you will be on the path to neediness and cheating.
/r/seduction22/07/19 11:53 PM
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I'm not going to get into the pictures thing, but if you want a relationship you need to screen women who are into relationships. Many women just want to go around hooking up, and if they've been doing this for years they're probably not in a good place to settle down in their early 20s. Just because someone has in past had casual sex doesn't make them not a good relationship prospect though. But you have to screen, like you said what their values are. A woman who for instances goes out clubbing…
/r/seduction21/07/19 09:18 PM
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Good, then never text her again. You're coming across as rather clingy to this non-prospect at the moment (not trying to insult you, just trying to give you perspective). She's young, and she's flakey. If she texts you, quickly try and move it towards setting up a date, if she backs out then tell her no worries, let you know when she's free and don't text her again. Repeat this.
/r/seduction19/07/19 11:23 PM
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This is the alternative option. If she's very interested, she may want to check with her friends what to reply. I've known women that do that if they're not sure what you want.
/r/seduction19/07/19 11:15 PM
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I always take it as a lower interest level. Do women actually do it to play games? If she takes like 3 hours to reply, I figure she's purposely trying to make the conversation disjointed. Maybe it is games, but its also showing they don't really want to hold a text conversation. Not that you should be having text conversations to start with.
/r/seduction19/07/19 11:10 PM
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Stop texting her, stop trying to make dates. Rejected SEVEN times, seriously? Twice is the most you should ever try. Withdraw and she may come to you. Stop texting her. If she messages you tell her to let you know when she's free to hang out and end it. Balls in her court then.
/r/seduction19/07/19 10:54 PM
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Its pretty much perfect. It doesn't cover all areas, but if you can internalise his big picture points you will be more successful in dating and life.
/r/seduction19/07/19 08:15 AM
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This minus the jealous bit.
/r/seduction18/07/19 08:58 AM
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Men make the mistake of thinking that 'hanging around' is going to make her want you more. Its not. If she wants the other guy, she will go for it. You being 'around' texting her won't make any difference. If you want her back, you do this. When she messages you, you tell her that you're not interested in being friends, while you enjoy her company, you are only interested in having an intimate relationship. If she is interested in this, then you should hang out, if not, then you don't want to re…
/r/seduction18/07/19 08:58 AM
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The thing I've found about women friends is, they kind of expect you to 'date' them. They want you to do similar things with them you would with a girlfriend.
/r/seduction18/07/19 08:38 AM
1

Stop writing xx after every messge
/r/seduction17/07/19 09:40 PM
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Yeah maybe thats true. But you're just describing shitty people. There are plenty of high level men who wouldn't give most women the time of day either. Of course, not every attractive woman will be receptive. But thats why you move past them quickly onto someone who is. I wouldn't want to date an instagram celebrity or woman that thinks random people are below them.
/r/seduction14/07/19 07:55 AM
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They're not out of your league in that case. Women are just women. The more time you spend around attractive women the more you realise this. The whole 'popular leagues' stuff is a very high school and college concept and it dissolves once you get out into the real world.
/r/seduction14/07/19 07:06 AM
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The first half of her message is just lying of course, I don't know why she needed to include it. I'd just say thanks for being upfront, it was nice to meet her and wish her well. There is no need to be annoyed at this, she's doing you a solid.
/r/seduction12/07/19 11:30 PM
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Women have low tolerance for lots of texting unless you've actually moved the relationship forward. They are talking to you because they're interested in you typically. Guys hate becoming texting buddies, if women are interested in you they don't want that either. So of course they're not going to want to chit chat about your day.
/r/seduction12/07/19 02:18 AM
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If you withdraw your interest from her a bit, it will actually make her start chasing you usually. If she had a decent amount of interest. Rather than hanging around her, always cut your interactions, don't message her first, ever. Always be keen to leave her presence.
/r/seduction11/07/19 11:04 PM
1

What do you think is more attractive, seeming cut up over her “rejection” or seeming unbothered by it?
/r/seduction10/07/19 10:20 PM
1

Are you friends? Friends call eachother up, hang out together, do things together. That is friends. Joking around at work is not friends.
/r/seduction10/07/19 09:44 PM
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I wouldn't treat her any differently. Of course, don't become a texting or hang out buddy, none of that. But just be the same friendly positive person you always have been.
/r/seduction10/07/19 08:59 PM
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I think men need to realise this more. ALWAYS keep options around. I'm not saying that you should be their buddy and spend your time on the weekends hanging out with them. But if you see them, be friendly and energetic. It actually makes you look better too. As if you're all mopey and hurt they feel like they really had charge of you. If you're friendly and upbeat to them you obviously have other things going on. Would a guy with options be really that upset that one option wasn't interested? He…
/r/seduction10/07/19 08:57 PM
1

Often if you actually talk to them for a while they’ll say something and it’s like an “oh” moment. Like oh, you’re actually really entitled. Or oh, you’re kind of awful and mean. It’s funny that after that it becomes that much easier. Like you see them as less of a person
/r/seduction10/07/19 11:44 AM
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Common, and relatable. What I have found helps is slowly moving up the attraction scale, if you go from talking to 5s to talking to 9s you're going to trip. But you just slowly increase until you're comfortable. You'll find then the women you generally approached 6 months back won't even be on your radar now.
/r/seduction09/07/19 09:45 PM
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Nothing wrong with showing interest. But you have to be able to show you can walk away. Blowing up their phone is not going to get you anywhere.
/r/seduction07/07/19 09:02 PM
2

Thats making HER set the date. NO. You do it. Give her a time and place to commit to.
/r/seduction06/07/19 10:49 PM
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Because you're expecting her to commit to a maybe. If she says yes she is committing to something that you're not actually offering. Ask her on something specific.
/r/seduction06/07/19 10:48 PM
3

Indeed. Most people are actually transparent and super super obvious. Women do not put up huge barriers for men they like. They don't shit test them that often, most people are actually fairly straight forward.
/r/seduction05/07/19 12:37 PM
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A lot of the advice you read is bad advice. Would a confident guy have held the drink and waited a few minutes? Absolutely he would. He knows she's coming back to him. He's not holding her drink while she's off talking to other guys. You find a lot of it is counter productive. For instance, the 'withdraw and see if they come back' stuff will not work with shy or insecure women, as they take that as a rejection and even if they're interested will not pursue you.
/r/seduction05/07/19 08:39 AM
2

Playful she is enjoying and laughing. You don't have to be mean to be playful, playful can actually be compliments.
/r/seduction04/07/19 09:44 PM
1

Withdraw withdraw withdraw. You can't rescue that situation
/r/seduction02/07/19 09:20 PM
1

Don't do anything over text. Texting is for two purposes 1) setting up dates 2) Maybe the VERY odd funny quip. No more than once a week. Appearance compliments generally just communicate to the woman that you're not used to attractive women and therefore put her on a pedestal. If you can do it in the right context its fine, but that context is just when you're about to have sex generally.
/r/seduction02/07/19 09:08 PM
5

You tried too hard. Tone down your interest level. Women can judge this shit.
/r/seduction01/07/19 09:03 PM
5

People are right in saying that he should move on this girl is trouble, but also framing this as just a casual hang out between friends is wrong. What he described does sound like a date and this girl let it happen knowing she had a boyfriend, only shutting him down at the last minute. He's making excuses for her because she's attractive. Very sketchy behaviour from her.
/r/seduction01/07/19 08:56 PM
2

Same way you'd approach any girl. Get her number, quickly set up a date.
/r/seduction01/07/19 07:28 AM
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This is a fair point. I think those of us who are more 'information orientated' to tend to just read and read and read about it online. The problem is, any signal could be interpreted entirely different ways with just slight context tweaks and reading what people say online is no hard fast guide. There are so many guys out there who want to demonise women as time wasters or lead ons that its very difficult to tell without being there.
/r/seduction01/07/19 07:24 AM
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I had something similar happen to me a few years ago. A new hire at my job came in and had a crush on me. She was flirtatious and always touching me. When I found out she had a boyfriend, I immediately stopped buying in to her attention. Temptation is hard, but you have to fight it. The outcome of this can only end badly whether it be long-term or short-term. Out of curiosity when you pulled back what happened from her? I don't know if these women are necessarily trying to put you on the back bu…
/r/seduction30/06/19 03:04 PM
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She clearly likes her boyfriend, otherwise she would dump him to be with you, or she simply doesn’t like you enough to risk her stable relationship I don't see it like that necessarily. People will stay with partners they are entirely bored with because comfort, stability etc is important to them. They may actually find you far more attractive. The thing is, their relationship may not be bad, just boring.
/r/seduction30/06/19 01:04 PM
2

Out of curiosity, what does deleting the messages from his phone do? No one else but him has access to those.
/r/seduction30/06/19 01:01 PM
1

Corey Wayne has such a great youtube series. He comes across like a really genuine guy with good advice. Its always really on point too, no trickery, just solid, easily applicable advice. It gets a bit repetitive with most videos having a similar theme, but that ends up being very useful.
/r/seduction30/06/19 12:11 AM
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The thing guys need to realise is that women will extract favours from them. Women view men, both their friends, and their lovers, as something that will help them in life. The thing I used to do, sadly is do the favours, then feel like I'm being used. That is a really really bad attitude to have. You have to screen if you're willing to do something, will you feel ok with yourself if nothing eventuates and not give more than you're comfortable with.
/r/seduction29/06/19 04:37 AM
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No idea. Never followed it through. Some have no intention of leaving their boyfriend but find you attractive, others are unhappy and would happily leave their boyfriend but can't stand to be alone. A lot of people say women just love attention, but in my experience women don't want attention from unattractive men.
/r/seduction29/06/19 02:13 AM
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Honest answer, just because she has a boyfriend it doesn't mean she's not interested in you. Women try and branch swing all of the time. I've noticed a lot of younger women especially don't view a relationship as necessarily meaning they're off the market. If they think you're an upgrade they may still be interested. There is also a certain subset of women in relationships that love to lead guys on and have 'play dates' and flirt. I don't really get why they do this.
/r/seduction28/06/19 11:08 PM
1

Being able to talk to them and make them laugh is 99% of the effort. For a majority of women this is plenty even without the additional 'attraction' or whatever that is.
/r/seduction25/06/19 11:45 PM
1

Absolutely. Don't call her now. Just wait, see what happens. I wouldn't be initiating anymore.
/r/seduction25/06/19 11:40 PM
1

Indeed. You should never be caught up on winning someone. You want someone who to them you are the first option, the only option. They're 110% invested and the other guys seem like a bad compromise.
/r/seduction25/06/19 11:39 PM
1

You can't 'get her back'. But the last thing you should do, both for the situation and your own dignity is to pursue. Withdraw.
/r/seduction25/06/19 11:39 PM
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Call her to ask her out. Don't use texts. Someone can't become non responsive by voice.
/r/seduction24/06/19 08:33 PM
2

No one judges you for being a student. Women will happily attach themselves to a guy they think might go somewhere. Being an unemployed student is very different to being an unemployed 33 year old with no prospects.
/r/seduction22/06/19 11:08 PM
1

Its possible that people in customer service do flirt with you, but you have to be VERY sure. I would add a huge amount of doubt until its almost certain.
/r/seduction22/06/19 10:51 PM
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Ha. Thats an excellent point. So the best plan of action is just to let it and be unfazed. Got it. I'm trying to iron out a lot of the tenancies of letting women flirt with you into being an orbiter. Which I think they do. I'm not that experienced with unavailable women flirting, if she was single you'd escalate quickly.
/r/seduction22/06/19 01:09 AM
3

It could be someone posting someone elses photos trying to troll them.
/r/seduction21/06/19 11:54 PM
2

I think to some extent failure and being ok with it can really help confidence. This "if I embarrass myself I'll just die" attitude makes you hide in a little bubble. Once you do it, and realise you're still ok, you can grow a lot of confidence from that.
/r/seduction19/06/19 08:53 PM
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Doesn't mean anything. People who are happy and content in their life tend to like to share that joy with others in the form of niceness and compliments.
/r/seduction19/06/19 01:12 AM
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You need to work out what you want and communicate it with your actions. If you want a relationship with her, then you need to actually progress that. If you don't, then realise that you will likely lose her to a guy that does and get ok with that.
/r/seduction18/06/19 11:00 PM
1

Being better as yourself becomes being better with women generally.
/r/seduction18/06/19 07:22 AM
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You won't care in 6 months, just ride with the emotions and don't do anything stupid. If you're planning on some big gesture really think to yourself is this smart.
/r/seduction17/06/19 09:25 PM
2

I see this place more as self improvement. No women are worth that much effort. The goal of this is to become better as yourself.
/r/seduction17/06/19 09:24 PM
2

Its not popular opinion to give women, but be thin, be fit. There are so many overweight women claiming they have no luck with men when they could just lose the weight and be attractive. Its not often a thin woman is ugly. Sure, she may not be a stunner, but even a 6/10 most men are going to find plenty pretty.
/r/seduction16/06/19 08:57 PM
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You didn't love her, you were just infatuated with her. You're 19 and in college, there are endless seas of women like you describe above, go after one of them.
/r/seduction15/06/19 10:36 PM
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I agree. I think its nice to be able to view yourself up. I really do. But I also don't really like platitudes if they're not accurate.
/r/seduction15/06/19 02:26 AM
1

While I get the point of this, this comes across more like a 'mum' motivational quote. Some people aren't fascinating, successful or sweet. Some people are boring, broke and selfish. You need to aim to be those things, keep improving.
/r/seduction15/06/19 12:32 AM
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Most people think "oh that guy is hitting on her" then go on with their life and forget about it 30 minutes later. If its someone they know then they might care a touch more. If I see a guy doing it I think "good on him for trying, he has more balls than most".
/r/seduction14/06/19 11:41 PM
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You can't both show interest, and hide interest. If you want her to know you're interested, you have to show genuine interest. That means facing rejection. If women are even mildly interested in you they will not take this as a negative, everyone loves to get compliments. Don't be ashamed of your interest. I'm going to save you the co workers rant, you know the possible downsides to it but in the real world heaps of people form relationships in the workplace. That is the primary place you meet a…
/r/seduction14/06/19 12:32 AM
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I for one am starting to enjoy these threads
/r/seduction12/06/19 09:41 PM
2

Most guys need a huge flashing billboard to think a woman is into them, even then it might not be enough.
/r/seduction11/06/19 09:20 PM
2

I think in general, people have a bad idea of what someone in their early 30s looks like. When I was say, 20 I always thought that age you looked like an old adult. But if you look after yourself, stay fit, stay out of the sun, then you shouldn't really age too much. I'm 30, I mean, I look 30, but a 30 who has stayed lean and not got damaged tanned skin. I have plenty of people I went to high school with that look terrible at 30. They look 50. Especially most women.
/r/seduction11/06/19 09:18 PM
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The problem with women with boyfriends is the logistics of it. I mean, if you're in high school and they've been dating 3 months and like her, I wouldn't worry too much. Thats a nothing. Play your hand see what happens. But when you get into multi year relationships even if that ends, then you're talking about a huge fallout that you'll have to deal with at the start of your relationship. Often, its just not worth the effort. For me, women with boyfriends are often good to have as friends. As th…
/r/seduction11/06/19 08:55 PM
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I try and talk to and casually flirt (I guess, more joke) with most people I meet. 50 year old woman, 20 year old woman. At worst you're just establishing yourself as a sociable kind of guy. Who doesn't like that?
/r/seduction11/06/19 12:25 PM
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Its a curious one to me. I find most of these friendships have one sided attracted to the other, but not reciprocated (or in some circumstances both sides attracted but either deciding not to date or have other partners at the time). I wonder how truly 'platonic' and 'friends' they are. The big issue I have with these friendships is I find women tend to use me. Their expectations on a male friend is much like a boyfriend, he's a resource provider. So after a few favours, I just grow tired and di…
/r/seduction11/06/19 11:56 AM
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No. This crush is irrelevant. You won't even think about her in 12 months I guarantee it. If you want to get better at talking to women, then talk to women. I used to get approach anxiety. My hands would literally shake. The more you do it, the more it goes away. This stuff is just practice. Try again with her, then try again, then try again. The nervousness will tone down. Taking drugs, especially as a teenager is a terrible idea. It won't help the anxiety, it will just create an addiction.
/r/seduction09/06/19 12:10 PM
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enough internet for today
/r/seduction09/06/19 11:03 AM
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I personally find Asian women to often be more attractive than caucasians. Of course, your milage may vary. But as a male I would rate dating someone of asian decent highly. They tend to generally, be a bit more classy in my view too. However in my experience dating people of Asian decent, they tend to have slightly different social values than caucasian Americans. They value career a bit higher than other elements, often in my view due to parental pressure. That may be completely wrong but its …
/r/seduction09/06/19 12:30 AM
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I think one thing guys need to learn, is that most women will show you interest by flirting or demonstrating interest. After that its up to you to push. They want you to text them, they want you to call them, a lack of initiation isn't necessarily a no as long as they're responsive. Its a "I'm waiting for you to take action". If you call and they don't answer, text and they don't reply, thats the problem. I know we'd all like them to reach out, but most women are equally paralysed by fear that y…
/r/seduction08/06/19 11:34 PM
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I think the problem is, and I know I suffer from it, that we're not necessarily a reliable narrative. I know guys not particularly used to this will look at basically anything to deny interest as opposed to very obvious interest signals. Why didn't she text back? You sent a text with no clear question and she had nothing to respond to so the conversation ended. Why didn't she call? You haven't been clear with your desires and you haven't called her. So sometimes people come on here wanting to se…
/r/seduction08/06/19 11:32 PM
1

Is 180lbs stick thin at 6'3'? I have a friend around that weight and height who can bench 250lbs and looks very well built.
/r/seduction07/06/19 11:31 PM
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Its not so much about what you say its about how you say it. Lines delivered with humour, energy and fun will always be attractive. You can be talking about the blandest subjects in the world and women will have fun if you are delivering it entertainingly and making her laugh.
/r/seduction07/06/19 09:57 AM
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This is a great post. Bravo. I think in many ways it chops through a lot of the over analysis many guys do.
/r/seduction04/06/19 09:59 PM
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Women give bad advice in general. I'm not sure if they genuinely don't know, or they have been conditioned to say that stuff. When I was younger I remember my mother incessantly reminding me that hitting the gym and getting big isn't necessary, as it doesn't matter. Yet, when my father was younger he was incredibly good shape and a semi professional athlete. I think women in general seem to want men to play this kind of subservient provider role.
/r/seduction04/06/19 09:23 PM
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This is actually amazing advice. People say oneitis is bad, and it is, you really have no hope with the girl you're crushing on as you (or at least I) tend to overthink everything and make errors. BUT, it makes you somewhat nonchalant with other girls. In my whole life I've never really gotten the one that I really wanted and had to have, but I've gotten with others because of that lack of care.
/r/seduction04/06/19 09:19 PM
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For some reason guys don't realise women don't act like this if theyre not something towards you. You meet a girl that isn't interested, she'll hardly acknowledge your existence. Make at best polite conversation. He might crash and burn, but fuck, try. Then be confident that you tried.
/r/seduction03/06/19 09:25 PM
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People as a whole pick up on it. When you're confident and happy they respond positively to you. Just people in general.
/r/seduction03/06/19 08:10 AM
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This is about as high interest as you're going to get without making a move. If you're interested stop messaging around and put yourself in a position she has to either accept or deny you. The more you carry on with the little games the less likely you actually will be of getting anywhere.
/r/seduction03/06/19 08:09 AM
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Stop calling yourself 'confident'. Show confidence through actions and words, calling yourself confident sounds insecure.
/r/seduction01/06/19 10:39 PM
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Marriage made sense when women didn't work or hold assets, they had to be protected. But in an equal society it doesn't make sense. You even have to be careful about cohabiting, as the court will impose a civil law marriage.
/r/seduction30/05/19 10:25 PM
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Marriage, and children (unless you really want them) are not something a man should be aiming for in life. In your 40s/50s good men have all of the dating power. The marriage is literally just shackles for them. If the relationship is good it really doesn't need a legally binding document.
/r/seduction30/05/19 10:22 PM
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People like people that like them typically. If they like you already then you enjoying their company won't turn them off. Just don't expect anything to come from it, or expect it to go anywhere. Enjoy it for what it is at that point and no more.
/r/seduction30/05/19 09:48 PM
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Exactly. I'd actually recommend guys not read over their texts and hyper analyse them. The more texts you send, the more effort you put into texting the more value you give her. Stop thinking about them so much. Also, if you have a girls number, she wants you to communicate with her.
/r/seduction30/05/19 07:45 AM
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I actually think its the opposite. Half asses texts that youve banged out in 30 seconds are the best. As it shows you don't care that much. Spending 10 minutes perfecting a text is what is the problem. Just smash it out, send it. The more you sit there thinking it out the more contrived it will become. Then you move on with your day. If she responds she responds, if not no worries.
/r/seduction30/05/19 07:43 AM
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Out of curiosity, what does this imply? 20 is young, but when I was 20 I was still faithful and knew right from wrong.
/r/seduction29/05/19 07:11 AM
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That is a very fair point. I still think a woman initiating texts with you is a very positive sign, as it shows she's thinking of you and wants to talk to you. You don't want to get bogged down in that though, as you're right it can become too comfortable for them to see you as a texting buddy if you give them lots of text messages.
/r/seduction29/05/19 05:04 AM
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Indeed. I've actually found once a woman finds texting you comfortable it can quickly escalate as she can initiate them without much social cost to her.
/r/seduction29/05/19 04:25 AM
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I actually think being a bit careless is very positive. When I fuck up is when I overthink everything. You're going to make a phone call so you rehearse it 20 times in your head, you spend 5 minutes perfecting a text rather than just writing something and sending it. Caring less can be quite a benefit as long as you have the core ideas down.
/r/seduction29/05/19 12:04 AM
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And quality is defined by attractiveness with as low maintenance as possible. Also her vibe and all that. Not wanting to derail this thread, but it seems to me that many attractive women seem to be very high maintenance, in terms of both time cost, but also money cost. Constantly wanting to do things that cost a lot of money, having boyfriends that pay for holidays and expensive gifts etc. You're paying alot for that 'privilege'.
/r/seduction28/05/19 11:44 PM
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Some women do just have boyfriends despite finding you attractive. Men always take it the wrong way. She had a boyfriend despite ever knowing you.
/r/seduction28/05/19 09:49 PM
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Sounds legit. Don't let the insecurities of others project onto it.
/r/seduction27/05/19 09:47 PM
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It funny, guys are usually quite content about what she's doing when they're the 'other guy'. As she is interested in them and is maybe considering actually going for it, but I bet if you actually 'won' her you would feel very different. That would eat at me. I'm not as convinced as most of this sub that women with a boyfriend aren't actually interested. There is a whole host of women who will leave their boyfriend if they feel they can trade up.
/r/seduction27/05/19 09:12 PM
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As a follow up to this, did the holiday for OP seem like a genuine fleshed out story, or just some "oh im going on holidays" kind of remark. If she is say going overseas, gave you a location, dates etc that has a bit more weight.
/r/seduction27/05/19 09:04 PM
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The problem as I see it is a lot of people make throw aways for this sub. This account i'm posting on now is a throw away, not my main. So by making them get karma or wait a month, you're kind of limiting the advice they can get. If that is worth the trade off to stop the spammers i'm not sure.
/r/seduction23/05/19 11:15 PM
2

Decrease from about 35 onwards.
/r/seduction20/05/19 01:18 PM
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I'm finding also a lot of the advice in these posts seems fairly 'pandering' to the audience. Its stuff guys want to hear, rather then actual useful advice. For instance 'how to look at a woman to make her want you'. Like there is some cheat code. I find the advice often bordering on unhelpful, but its obviously here to sell a product, not to help men.
/r/seduction20/05/19 01:18 PM
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Most 25 year olds don't want to date 25 year old men, let alone anyone younger. Women typically prefer the age bracket of 3-10 years older. Also, at 18, you should be dating an 18 year old woman. The older people get, the more needs, demands and expectations they have. An 18 year old will love just seeing a movie with you, a 25 year old will probably want an overseas holiday.
/r/seduction20/05/19 07:14 AM
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Its up to her to notify you if she's taken. Just assume she isn't until you know otherwise.
/r/seduction19/05/19 08:31 PM
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Since you mentioned school I guess you're young. People really don't know what they want at that age range. If you like the girl, try and ask her out, its up to her to decide if she does or doesn't. Make it clear its a date.
/r/seduction19/05/19 08:28 PM
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Women who don't disclose their boyfriend are often trying to 'upgrade' and are in an unhappy relationship. I'd still stay clear, but it does happen.
/r/seduction19/05/19 08:24 PM
1

Needs more clarity. Successful short guys or unemployed tall guys? The former I bet. Successful short guys or employed tall guys with their own place? The later.
/r/seduction18/05/19 03:51 AM
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Needs more clarity. Successful short guys or unemployed tall guys? The former I bet. Successful short guys or employed tall guys with their own place? The later.
/r/seduction18/05/19 03:51 AM
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Needs more clarity. Successful short guys or unemployed tall guys? The former I bet. Successful short guys or employed tall guys with their own place? The later.
/r/seduction18/05/19 03:51 AM
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If you want success in life you need to be friendly and talk to people. Its not about being an extravert. Talk to everyone, all the time. Expect nothing from the interactions other than to try and improve their day.
/r/seduction16/05/19 11:24 PM
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Yep. The problem also though is that society teaches you if she doesn't reciprocate your feelings (or can't for some reason, be that boyfriend etc) that you should feel bitter. So you get a lot of guys who are very nice, then flip to being rude once they feel rejected. Which is were the "nice guy" trope comes from. If you're going to be nice to someone, as long as they're nice back it shouldn't matter if they aren't romantically interested. Its the guys that flip that bother me.
/r/seduction16/05/19 10:59 PM
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Women absolutely will come to you. They may not ask you on a date, but they'll offer themselves as available to you through flirting and interacting with you.
/r/seduction16/05/19 10:51 PM
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One thing I dislike about the general pickup community or dating advise community is that they teach men that you have to do these perfect list of steps otherwise you fail. If you don't escalate fast enough within meeting her, you'll fail, if you don't follow the perfect mix of push and pull, you'll fail etc etc. Typically as long as you focus on being attractive overall, you can make errors and still recover.
/r/seduction13/05/19 08:49 PM
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Its a catch 22. The perfect woman wouldn't cheat on/leave her boyfriend to be with you. So either she's unavailable, or not perfect. Either way, its not on. Even if she seemed super into you, its still probably not on. The logistics of someone actually leaving their boyfriend to be with you mean any relationship you start will be stained. That, and there would be a time were she is likely still sleeping with him after every interaction with you, not a nice thought.
/r/seduction12/05/19 10:02 AM
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Its amazing how much insecurities and confidence can trigger reactions from people. You can read identical responses in completely different light depending on how self confident you are.
/r/seduction09/05/19 09:11 PM
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Don't make it a big thing. "Hey we should hang out some time, whats your phone number?" Then exit the conversation once you get it. Send a few texts, make a call, set up a date. Late teens is easy as a movie is still considered an acceptable date.
/r/seduction09/05/19 05:35 AM
1

True game is just being confident and having fun with it. If you don't have fun with it no one else will. If you can keep that high mood energetic approach then people are drawn to it.
/r/seduction08/05/19 09:39 PM
1

Could be an IOI, could be she just wants to use the equipment near you.
/r/seduction08/05/19 09:11 PM
1

Surely this could be quicker than 18 minutes. Like a 30 second dot point or something
/r/seduction08/05/19 09:11 PM
1

The "nice guy" is typically someone so desperate that he tries to cling onto people by being nice. That is different to someone who is charismatic, outgoing and nice that people are drawn to. I personally think the later is the attitude you want to create, if you're fun, make people laugh and enjoy being around you that is what people want. Its quite different to the 'attractive serious' personality many here think is the best bet though.
/r/seduction08/05/19 09:09 PM
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People like nice people. People like helpful people. People don't like pushovers.
/r/seduction08/05/19 09:08 PM
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/r/seduction04/05/19 01:27 AM
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Yep. I've had women who are very attracted to me drop the boyfriend card before. But you need extreme IOI to assume its anything but 1 and 2.
/r/seduction03/05/19 10:44 AM
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In my experience, sometimes there are three boyfriend drops: 1) Just casual conversation. If they're part of the persons life its natural for them to talk about them. This kind of winding it into the conversation is normal. They see you as a friend so of course they mention their boyfriend when talking. 2) The "Don't hit on me, go away" mention. She senses you're hitting on her and doesn't want it, so she drops the boyfriend tag. There is also SOMETIMES, a third option. The: 3) I'm just informin…
/r/seduction03/05/19 08:36 AM
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Long post with no whatsapp group add, something is up.
/r/seduction30/04/19 09:07 PM
1

This sort of thing is bad. That could be perceived as actually bothering her, a complete no go zone. Actual flirting, which involves light touch etc and the workplace DO NOT go together. I wouldn't even want to be seen as texting someone in the workplace.
/r/seduction29/04/19 09:54 PM
1

Honestly I don't really feel most of these stages are well established. by the time you get to stage 2 she might already be ready for you to take her home.
/r/seduction28/04/19 09:40 PM
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Be fun. Be a people person. Give compliments, be the centre of any room you're in.
/r/seduction28/04/19 08:43 PM
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Honestly, I find its overrated. Women react better to charisma in my view than 'smooth'. In many ways charisma is the opposite of smooth.
/r/seduction28/04/19 11:22 AM
1

Everyone uses a flattering photo on Tinder. You look like the same person
/r/seduction26/04/19 11:53 PM
1

They're both right. Adam is right in that this isn't a set hierarchy like a caste system. Joe is right in that there are still obviously certain physical and behavioural traits that you want as a leader. The problem Adam had in this situation is he didn't effectively mention that they're both right, but instead seemed to want to run the discussion that there was a disagreement. Adam is correct, in that a football quarter back won't necessarily be the 'alpha' for instance in say a scientific deba…
/r/seduction22/04/19 07:06 AM
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Exactly! It sucks when a woman you are attracted to doesn't see you romantically (or, when her current circumstances don't allow it) but having someone who you enjoy their company is great. If you have an abundance mentality then a network of friends does nothing but help your desirability. I would always recommend against complaining to her about relationship stuff as I hear a lot of guys doing in that situation though, keep it very attractive.
/r/seduction22/04/19 06:02 AM
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Indeed. He needs to actually make friends fullstop, but also friends with women. People talk about being friends with women in this sub like its a dirty word, but if you have no experience it is really useful to have female friends.
/r/seduction21/04/19 10:36 PM
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It depends how interested they are ultimately. In my experience, the more they want to carry the conversation, the more interested they are. As they're interested in impressing you and sounding interesting. If you make a very good impression, they will try and carry.
/r/seduction21/04/19 06:30 AM
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Also remember, embarrassment should be treasured, not something you use as pain. You will feel uncomfortable feelings when doing this as its MILES out of the comfort zone for nearly everyone. No one thinks less of you for trying and if you make a mess of it you shouldn't think less of yourself. Its still better than doing nothing and forever being afraid.
/r/seduction20/04/19 11:11 PM
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Social media takes the mystery away, when someone can get to know you by following you at a distance on a computer I think it removes the incentive to actually communicate.
/r/seduction18/04/19 11:49 PM
4

Compliments are tricky, they have to be naturally worked into a conversation. If she's talking about something and you can confidently slip one in thats fine, but don't lead with them. I think most women the biggest compliment is that you're enjoying the interaction with her. You're both having a good time.
/r/seduction18/04/19 11:42 PM
4

I agree they're messing with you. Don't date a friends sister.
/r/seduction18/04/19 09:25 PM
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You have to let a woman think she's winning you. If you go above and beyond, tripping over yourself, calling her 20 times, texting her all the time. She's not going to think that, you will seem desperate. If its not something you can immediately escalate than just let it simmer for a bit
/r/seduction18/04/19 09:56 AM
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I don't mean to be rude, but I had a bit of a dig through your profile and you said in another post you were over 170lbs? This sub is all about self improvement and I think many guys have had to be a bit realistic about their views. Is it possible that you have a slightly inflated value in your head of your own attractiveness? 8.5 is very high on the rating, realistically the most beautiful women you see in real life will be 8.5. If you feel you could work on your attractiveness to better get gu…
/r/seduction17/04/19 09:44 PM
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I'm just making these stats up, but I'd say women in the 6.5-7.5 range probably get peak attention from men. As they're the type that men feel comfortable talking too but also are still attractive.
/r/seduction17/04/19 09:40 PM
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Women are more than welcome here, of course! We need your input to balance out all the angry incels, shameless lifestyle marketers, and lazy wannabes! But will we join their whatsapp group?
/r/seduction17/04/19 09:37 PM
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Don't 'send IOI'. Approach men. Talk to them, if you get on ask them to do something. The vast majority of men can't read IOI, and also if they do think you're interested they're in a perpetual doubt cycle. Reading signs is hard, as the vast majority of them can be taken either way.
/r/seduction17/04/19 08:56 PM
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saying never talk to him again is too far. But she needs to set reasonable boundaries. If she won't do that, you have to leave her. You've asked her, leaving is your only option.
/r/seduction17/04/19 08:55 PM
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I disagree, having everyone love you is the best thing you can do for your social status. If you have a big group of people around you that respect and like you women will flock to that.
/r/seduction14/04/19 09:26 PM
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People in the 'seduction' community often are too focused on not giving away any power or value. Compliments don't take away from your position if they're given from a position of security and without neediness. If someone loves being near you and looks forward to seeing you, that is a complete positive.
/r/seduction14/04/19 09:24 PM
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My reaction to competing with other guys is 'don't'. If someone isn't properly into you then you move on. Women know very early on if they're going to date you.
/r/seduction14/04/19 08:55 AM
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Women, and people in general do care, but only to a point. Try getting with someone if you're unemployed and live with your parents, it would be near on impossible. But its a sliding scale over that. If you work a job, a good job, thats usually enough for most women if you're not super rich. Also, if you are a lawyer and have a nice house, its kind of like a tall guy saying "women don't care that much about height", you only notice it when you don't have it. My experience is it depends on her ba…
/r/seduction14/04/19 12:39 AM
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The trick to is to realise that women that you find attractive, actually find you attractive too. Once you realise that the women that appear attractive themselves sometimes feel nervous talking to you, have their own insecurities and inadequacies it helps to tone down the pressure. Women that a year ago I would have felt like I should impress, now I feel completely calm and allow them to drive. Having said that, a little bit of social anxiety can highten the conversation. I really love the conv…
/r/seduction12/04/19 04:29 AM
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A good man doesnt bend over backwards for someone who only gives him platonic attention but will invest time, effort, and resources in those who reciprocate equally. This is a nice point. Nice guys are so bothered if a woman doesn't want to have sex with them, good men are typically capable of maintaining platonic friendships but won't be used.
/r/seduction10/04/19 09:08 PM
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It is weird. It kind of becomes a relationship that you have in private and not public as your social circles basically can't relate to one another. I actually prefer the energy of women in their early 20s, it's not that women at 30 are physically unattractive, I disagree with that stuff, anyone that looks after their body can stay young. Its just in that age bracket the women often just love your company and love talking to you, you can actually see how happy they are about that at times, I gue…
/r/seduction03/04/19 01:54 AM
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It does. I've often considered the wave of attention from women in that kind of age range though a little bit unactionable, as when you talk to them you feel substantially older. I don't think thats at all a bad thing necessarily as I've never gotten the idea that everyone has to be the same age to get along, but it just feels to me like it would have a lot of negative social reflection on the man in that situation.
/r/seduction02/04/19 10:51 PM
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Is this like a quirk in the human brain? I always think the same thing. When you're with them or you're interested they just seem amazingly pretty. Then later you look back at pictures or see them later and think "eh they're ok", but not to that level. I'd actually be interested in reading studies on this.
/r/seduction02/04/19 09:39 PM
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Absolutely. I completely agree. I hate this idea that a women in a relationship is some object that is trapped and can't make her own decisions. If she wants to leave him, then that is her right to do it. If she was married with kids, thats a different story. But a relationship can either be very serious or a nothing.
/r/seduction01/04/19 09:52 PM
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"Most girls work on split second emotions" - This is condescending and strictly wrong. Who are you thinking you're quoting?
/r/seduction01/04/19 09:14 PM
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Is this thread about trying to play games on a girl in a relationship to get her to leave, OR a girl in a relationship who clearly seems interested in you and fairly uninterested in her relationship. Women leave relationships for guys all of the time, its in many ways the default state, its happened to me before. I agree with never playing games on someone with a boyfriend.
/r/seduction01/04/19 08:48 PM
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To me one of the best things I've done is allow myself to mess up in social circumstances and not to think much of it. So what if you come across as a bit awkward? People are like that. Don't stress. If you mess up with that girl there are plenty more out there. The anxiety comes from trying to do everything perfectly. Which the seduction community is a bit guilty for perpetuating. Yes, I understand the rules it teaches do help you, but they have to come naturally not like following a script. Fo…
/r/seduction28/03/19 11:02 PM
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I think while this is good advice and a good attitude, what it really needs to speak of is bettering yourself so that you have those options. I wouldn't certainly say I have an abundance of women chasing me, but I know if I meet someone new there is probably say a decent chance they might be interested in me. So I tend not to get caught up on any one woman as much. I know that I have decent qualifications so if I lose my job there is a fair chance I could find another one, but it would still be …
/r/seduction27/03/19 09:22 AM
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This is a mistake people make also, if you're friendly, and you do things to help people, that doesn't make you unattractive. Who doesn't like people who help others? The difference is when you do it at your own expense that it reflects on you having low self worth.
/r/seduction26/03/19 08:52 PM
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