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Oh? For sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/24 09:51 AM
2

Even then it’d be far healthier than the apps merely by meeting face to face. Also the rules of competition would be more fair. Most importantly, it’s important for just human socialisation not just forming more romantic bonds.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/24 06:51 AM
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We need an establishment of a third place for men and women to mingle naturally.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/24 06:44 AM
33

Objectively yes since statistically men in relationships have a better average mental well being than single men. However, it’s kind of like answering an equation backwards because the poor mental health is definitely a part of why the current dating issues exist. There’s no easy solutions to any of this. It’s a vicious circle on both ends. I’d say dating problems contribute around 30% of the mental health crisis which is extremely significant.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/24 06:43 AM
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Eh, this is pretty weak but: Men actually aren’t worse in bed or statistically more lazy, they’re just put under more strict judgement in the bedroom and complaining about sex is a privilege given to women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/24 12:52 AM

Two things can both be bad when one is worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 10:53 PM
2

Nope.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 06:57 PM
-1

And to treat them with common courtesy I also need to understand them. Plus I just need to understand them in general because misunderstanding 50% of the population has no good result.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 12:14 PM
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r/NotHowGuysWork r/GuysCry r/BroPill Oops, guess another one got deleted.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 11:33 PM
0

Please structure your sentences better, I have no idea what you mean. If you’re asking for men subs about their issues yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 11:14 PM
2

It can’t only be me, we have to do it together for it to be fair and just. To me the line is disparaging the other sex, as long as you’re not doing that, that’s fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 09:42 PM
0

I can do both.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 09:40 PM
2

Same sometimes to be honest lol, that’s why I had to take a break, but you should realistically only argue with someone arguing in good faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 09:05 PM
0

Us, we all get to decide after discussing boundaries. And you’re ignoring the point of what I said just because it isn’t direct, doesn’t mean it isn’t extremely harmful.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 08:41 PM
2

Yeah, that’s not an indictment of the sub at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 08:28 PM
4

I’ve learnt how truly fucked the relationship of men and women are these days, so many dogshit bad faith actors on both sides, it’s insane. Everyone wants to project this idea that their problems are worse and therefore more justified it’s insane. But also I’ve had a few good discussions, I’ve had sole misguided assumptions and ideas assuaged and I’ve also done that for other people. It’s a net posture honestly, you just got pick which battles you fight carefully because a lot of it’s trash.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 08:24 PM
2

He was never called the subreddit bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 08:19 PM
5

The vitriol against men is.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 08:14 PM
3

Then you simply haven’t done enough research. That second point however, I agree fully. Men are often men’s worst enemy, that doesn’t make their problems any less real.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 08:13 PM
3

Yeah… he said both of those things… That doesn’t change what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 08:08 PM
0

Ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 08:07 PM
0

Lmao, so of course only the male’s side is going to get punished then. Just because direct calls to violence aren’t bein made doesn’t mean that the rhetoric being spouted isn’t extremely harmful.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 08:05 PM
4

Using them as an excuse to disparage the opposite sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 08:00 PM
9

I would call most if not all if those misogynistic and toxic, so I call this misandrist and toxic as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 07:56 PM
2

Don’t take advantage of his comment to create a strawman, he said very clearly he personally doesn’t know whether it’s toxic or not. He never used it as a point to say that it is bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 07:50 PM
3

Yes, because obviously a man who has experienced all of those wouldn’t be justified in hating women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 07:49 PM
1

Because their content shouldn’t be allowed.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 07:44 PM
2

You don’t think men have real problems?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 07:44 PM
2

Doesn’t mean sexism should be allowed in the other spaces either. But yes, you’re correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 07:42 PM
7

Yep, there are so few good male spaces here or really anywhere tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 07:38 PM
3

Don’t be sexist.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 07:32 PM
1

That’s fair, I can’t ask you to deny your own lived experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 07:27 PM
1

The issue is women are criticising their own groups, I ain’t pretending that any significant amount men are either, but we both need to do more.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 07:21 PM
2

Yeah, but it’s obviously also important how we point out these issues right? Without disparaging the other side and breeding divisiveness and rivalry. And fuck it, resentment?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 07:14 PM
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I’d agree, if not for the misandry.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 07:12 PM
12

So you do understand why men do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 07:12 PM
2

No.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 07:08 PM
7

Discriminatory, Disparaging, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 07:03 PM
1

I don’t tell the women that come into men’s spaces and call out misogyny to fuck off because they’re not wanted there, I listen to them and address it. It is entitlement to insist that anyone is owed a place to spout sexist and discriminatory discourse without consequences and anybody who speaks up about it should fuck off because “they’re not wanted there” get real.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 07:02 PM
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It’s crazy how much you’re missing the point. These places are breeding sexism and people are defending it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 06:56 PM
2

Ah yes, you lecture me about disregarding someone’s experience and then disregard my experience, surely you see the hypocrisy, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 06:53 PM
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Ah yes, because women just leave male subreddits alone and definitely have nothing to say about them…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 06:47 PM
3

How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 06:46 PM
-4

Sounds like you go on there for a very different reason than a lot of other women do, it’s a lot of posts venting about their bad experiences with men. It’s not that I think you’re lying, I’ve just seen it for myself, the mere mention of misandry is hammered down upon and insisted on being false and the way they talk about men would be heavily criticised if the roles were reversed.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 06:44 PM
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So that I can learn more about the experiences of women and understand them better?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 06:32 PM
3

Nothing’s wrong with speaking about your experiences, it’s the language used. It’s a breeding pit for misandry and nobody is allowed to say anything about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 06:31 PM
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Glad you understand lol, I grew up in a tropical island myself so the cold is like kryptonite to me. I love reading (obviously) also, music, video games, anime, debate, stimming (lol) and conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 01:54 PM
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That’s the plan, but due to some mitigating factors (check if interested) I’m extremely introverted, suffer from Rejection Sensitive Dysphoria , in a cold country and depressed. I’m finding it difficult. I’m tryna go to the library regularly because it’s close, a familiar place, I can find common ground with people there and it’s comfortable, just recently got a library card so that’s progress. Prolly gonna try the mall too, just worried that people aren’t exactly open to entertain a stranger wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 01:12 PM

What makes you say that?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 09:17 AM

Literally this.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 09:16 AM

Why yes, some of them are my friends, why wouldn’t I?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 09:16 AM

On one hand, you’re completely right. On the other hand if a guy did actually turn one down I’d get it as asinine, pretty and just arbitrary as it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 09:15 AM
1

My Uncle and his girlfriend have straight up said they’re not getting married or kids, I think it’s just based on what you want out of a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 08:27 AM
1

Ehhhhhhhh, not really my scene, but fair point.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 09:47 PM
1

Np, I wish you the best.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 08:42 PM
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Bro I’m not joking, I literally don’t know. 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 08:33 PM
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I wouldn’t, most wouldn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 08:31 PM
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Yeah, just depends on the man. What you’re seeing is a subsect of society who are spotlighted due to their bad behaviour, they don’t represent men as a whole or even the average man. You’ll find someone you can trust.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 08:30 PM
1

What industry is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 08:27 PM
1

Demonisation or Overcorrection, maybe both. Either women will be demonised to be the “evil” gender or the push back will be so immense that it just resets back to “women are so wonderful, men are so cruel”
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 07:36 PM
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That was the plan, never meant that approach as in romantically exclusively. I wanna make friends first.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 07:26 PM
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It sucks that people violate an obvious boundary like that, sorry you have to deal with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 07:25 PM
2

Yeah, that sucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 07:22 PM
4

Well of course, a simple mantra I have is that men suck at subtle communication/ body language and women suck at clear/ straightforward communication. It’s a generalisation of course but it generally rings true in my experience. And I definitely agree that warm approach is far better but the issue is that I’m in a completely new country with no friends to help me or anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 07:20 PM

See that makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 06:48 PM
2

Yeah I can do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 06:13 PM
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Too real lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 06:07 PM
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Lmaooooo, maybe.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 06:06 PM

Fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 06:05 PM

I really would, isn’t that really uncomfortable?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 06:03 PM
2

Kinda? It’s easy talking to adults, but I feel like people my age aren’t really looking for strangers to walk up to them idk. At the very least it isn’t considered rude.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 05:25 PM
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Huh, ngl I always felt weird about the mall cuz I felt like people there came to hang out with their friends rather than to have strangers come up to them to talk but I’ll try it out now thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 05:22 PM
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This makes complete sense to me yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 05:05 PM
4

Tinder in real life is literally impossible because men and women are comparable in number irl compared to real life but I get your point. Honestly? I don’t think it’s as black pilled as you think, women will be as selective as they always are but the reason men want it so much is so they don’t have carry the bulk of the courtship process and they don’t have to deal with the bullshit of “you know I actually used to like you?” If women approached men to any degree more than they do now it’d be a …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 04:59 PM

I understand but how does provocative clothing relate to the feminine role of society?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 04:51 PM

May you please elaborate upon “exist in a feminine way”?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 04:06 PM

There’s a reason why I specifically said what I said lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 03:24 PM

I do agree that men should listen to women more on this issue because the simple reality is that an attractive woman will always attract attention regardless of what she wears, However, I’ve seen way too much women pretend that clearly provocative clothing is for themselves and not clearly to attract attention. Maybe it’s not specifically for male attention because I dress nice for my friends too but it’s definitely for attention which is the point I was trying to make.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 02:48 PM

True but to be fair I doubt that the average woman just wears six inch pumps, fishnets and a corset at home alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 02:41 PM
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How am I supposed to find his comments when he deleted his account. All I see about his comments is “I’m a person not a statistic” over and over again which seems completely fair considering the context. I see no unhinged, domestic violence apologia or racist comments, please point them out.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 12:56 PM
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Never thought I’d see a post that embodies my views entirely, genuinely couldn’t say it better myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 01:40 AM
1

Ye
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 12:35 AM

It has nothing to do with lack of confidence or fear of rejection, why would you pursue someone that even you don’t think likes you? Especially when you’ve pointed out that men are apparently more likely to think someone’s interested in them when they actually aren’t? Wouldn’t it be the biggest sign of cowardice and lack of confidence to believe you have no chance of attracting anyone and you’re so scared of being alone that you desperately go after a woman even though you don’t even think she l…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 05:50 PM
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Yep, men are generally the ones who fuck over men the most in my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 05:35 PM

Lol, u gud homie.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 02:29 PM

Ig it doesn’t matter why in all fairness, it’s your preference after all. Just curious cuz I was confused.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 02:29 PM

Huh? Dude I’m a guy. I literally have a flair that says man lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 02:25 PM

? So me pointing out that there are guys that are innocent and that it sucks that they have to catch shit for shit they didn’t do doesn’t show that I care about them? What?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 02:23 PM

Why play a rigged game and conform to their rules? I’ll just find someone who doesn’t play these time wasting games.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 02:14 PM

Why? Wouldn’t that make complete sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 02:02 PM

I agree in large part of what you’re saying but I’d like to contest that looking for clear signals is a sign of cowardice. Confident men will not pursue women they don’t think are interested in them, arguably they’re more likely to do so than unconfident men for the simple fact that they know they can get a woman that is interested in them rather than playing games. It’s completely normal to gauge interest before pursuing because it saves time you could waste on someone who’s just not into you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 02:01 PM

I feel like it’d make sense in the context of a bar or club but fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 01:50 PM

Where tf did I even imply that? I even said “It sucks when innocent men catch strays” And “regardless of reasons … it only males it harder when women also insist on never making their intentions clear” I know we deal with a lot of “women good, men bad” bad faith attacks but this ain’t it bro, I’m calling everyone out.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 01:48 PM

I ain’t gonna lie, I agree that it’s incredibly frustrating but imo nothing is more bloody than boiling than seeing the sheer lack of sincerity so many guys have when it comes to approaching women. Holy fuck, every action they make is under the guise of plausible deniability you can’t fucking reject them because they’ll never make their intentions clear and they’ll be extremely offended when you try to call them out on it. I think that’s some of the reason why women don’t make it clear because t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 12:52 PM
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That’s true.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 01:13 AM
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I don’t think society generally focuses on the issues that men face. And a lot of it is ignored or disregarded. We don’t have a lot of facilities for mental health and we have to adapt to new social dynamics with very little to go off of. The few avenues for positive male reinforcement are grifters that take advantage of vulnerable young men and women who mean well but can only offer little in the way of being a good male role model.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 01:09 AM
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I don’t think it’s just that though, men are also left out in the cold societally speaking these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 12:48 AM
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I don’t think they’re necessarily “serious” but yeah I’d agree
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 12:46 AM

Really? Not being rich af?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 10:37 AM

I don’t think it’s either one or the other. There are men who blame women for their impulses And there are women who take advantage of men’s impulses I think you’re asking how much is one over the other and I honestly don’t know. Would prolly have to poll it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 07:46 AM
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I feel like a lot of the biases remain the same tho, especially with female teachers. I went to an all boys school as well and it sucked, maybe I’m in the minority tho, hopefully.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/24 11:24 AM
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Nope
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 01:58 AM
-3

They’d know more, they could teach me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 01:54 AM
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That’s true.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 09:06 PM
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It’s a great middle ground, embarrassed that I didn’t think of that. You came in good faith and I tried my best to respond in kind, I wish more conversations were like this but I appreciate that they do happen. Have a nice day.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 08:52 PM
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Well yeah, it’s a very emotional thing. We’re talking about insecurities here. Mandatory testing isn’t the right way to go though, you’re right.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 08:42 PM
3

I appreciate the consideration. You make good points, I have some reservations but as you said “No perfect answer”.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 08:40 PM
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True, thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 08:29 PM
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You had to learn didn’t you? You didn’t just innately know, that would be the same case for men, no? That they had to learn the signs when women are just using them and didn’t like them? Plus there’s also them manipulating and gaslighting you when you doubt them, and then you’re coping by telling yourself that they do like you. People usually reveal who they truly are and what they truly want AFTER a marriage, both men and women experience this, it has nothing to do with being the one that asks …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 08:27 PM
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May you please rephrase? Didn’t quite catch your meaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 08:22 PM
0

Yeah, they probably feel like that, however, I think a paternity test should be mandatory for the simple fact that men cannot know without one. Men just want the security and peace of mind that women naturally have that the child is theirs. I think that’s fair, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 08:17 PM
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They specified tho “the guys who say…”
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 08:13 PM
2

How do you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 08:03 PM
1

I’d care about: “why, if she has STI’s and her mental health” But yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 08:00 PM
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That’s fair.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/12/23 08:19 PM
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Genuine question: Are there men who are actually traumatised by circumcision? May I have a link? Just wanna know more about the topic.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/12/23 06:53 PM
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They don’t hate themselves because they’re hypocrites. It’s fine for a man, it’s not fine for a woman because “It’s hard for men, it’s not hard for women”
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 07:38 PM
3

I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 10:15 PM
2

Ok, that’s irrelevant to the point, but ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 07:20 PM
6

Are all failures in dating men’s fault?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 06:05 PM
25

When men do follow that advice and still fail, they are still blamed for not trying hard enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 06:03 PM
10

I’ve seen this sentiment formatted a billion different ways but I think the best way to put it is: Men and Women care way more about women’s problems than they do men’s. As a man I genuinely swear most men don’t give a shit about helping men and I see women helping but a lot of women just categorise our problems as “not our problem, deal with it yourself”. Feel free to disagree, I do want to see if I’m misunderstanding something.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 06:59 PM
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I never said it did, that was never my point. I’m glad we came to an understanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 06:54 PM
1

If you disregard what I say then obviously everything I say is gonna come off as defensive but the reality is Patriarchy is often brought up as an argument to breed division between men and women. There are women who use it wholesale demonise men and disregard their problems under the purview that the world was created to baby so all our problems are fake and we need to get over it And there are men who use it as an excuse to say that feminists are all just misandrists that hate men and discredi…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 06:31 PM
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It really doesn’t, we did that by ourselves. Moving on, mentioning the choking and other fetishes, those don’t in any way promote or encourage actual violence towards women. Either you understand that it’s fiction and you obviously don’t apply that irl or you’re delusional and that happens detached from porn. The idea that porn promotes misogyny or abuse is cope. People are able to separate things in fiction from things in reality, just as how children don’t become shooters because of video game…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 05:58 PM
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I just mean that I don’t think every woman has the same sex drive as you but I do realise how I formatted my question made it sound like I meant it in an individual sense, so my bad. Also thanks for setting me straight on that, glad to hear it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 04:12 PM
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I’d just say you specifically have a high sex drive tbh. Hope you find that guy tho, it’s never fun to be sexually unsatisfied.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 04:06 PM
2

But how is that manipulation?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 01:49 PM
1

Doesn’t the fact that porn is catered to men prove that it is men specifically being manipulated? Personally, I think porn is generally fine but it’s just one example of how male sexuality can be exploited. How are women manipulated by porn that caters to men?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 01:40 PM
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Yep, it sucks how little work is being done on our end.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/23 12:15 PM
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Yeah you did, insecurity has been a weapon used to attack masculinity for a while now. If you’re not comfortable with something you’re insecure and your masculinity is “fragile”, as if insecurities are your fault now somehow. It’s just perpetuating toxic masculinity under a different name.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/23 11:51 AM
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The biphobia a lot of women have is insane, I remember finding it out and being stunned how vitriolic it was, holy shit.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/23 11:47 AM
7

Or a virgin loser/incel lol.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/23 11:44 AM
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Male sexuality is also demonised way differently than female sexuality. It’s crazy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/23 11:43 AM
6

U rite.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/23 09:40 AM
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The idea that male insecurities are somehow invalid compared to female insecurities? People will rip Incel, Porn Addict, lil dick, etc. without a thought.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/23 09:34 AM
15

Fr, I’ve fought hard to explain that we need all the help we can get and that the needless division literally only hurts them more but I’m tired boss.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/23 09:31 AM
3

Women: For men being scared to approach them these days Men: For women being scared of being friendly with men in fear of it being confused as romantic/sexual interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 09:11 AM
4

Porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 09:07 AM
1

Might just be personal life experience, I’ve experienced the exact opposite with my friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 09:06 AM
0

It might not be inherently a war between us but it’s often used as a battlefield for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 09:03 AM
7

Genuine Question for women, if you believe you’re hornier, how would you qualify horniness?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 08:03 AM
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“Men should fix their own problems”.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/23 03:28 AM
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https://youtu.be/qVKvEaokV6I?si=bU1avHaCyvilSNYc This gives a lot of examples.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/23 03:27 AM
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I fully agree with this because I’m so worried about even the younger women internalising this and harming themselves. Age isn’t ugly, it’s beautiful, it’s maturity.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 02:59 AM
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That was my example, plenty of women put down other women. It might be due to the Patriarchy but: A. What instance of misogyny isn’t? B. That’s irrelevant to the point, misogyny is misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 01:15 AM
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Just don’t demonise men, I don’t know how else I can put it. You can vet men without profiling them as predators, do you not know how to?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 11:41 PM
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You are extremely bad faith if that’s what you interpreted from what I said. You don’t need to do that to defend yourself at all and it’s not at all pretending that male predators don’t exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 10:29 PM
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Don’t compare men to inanimate objects or literal predators. Don’t bring up rape statistics when men are talking about their experiences with rape. Don’t generalise the bad behaviour of some men onto most or all of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 10:27 PM
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Making a point to compare men to loaded guns or starving tigers is one example, you don’t need to do that to be careful but many women made that a point to mention when talking about precautions.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 10:24 PM
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It is bizarre, hence why I didn’t ask for that, I asked that men not be treated like predators.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 10:21 PM
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I disagree with that sentiment but that’s irrelevant, just don’t demonise men, that’s my request.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 10:20 PM
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Vet, yes. Considered guilty until proven innocent? No. Plus it’s two women, not enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 09:46 PM
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I don’t know any men either, the point is no one likes to be generalised by a fraction of their community. It’s as simple as that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 09:45 PM
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I think that is incredibly dangerous hence why I didn’t say that. There’s a huge difference between being careful and demonising men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 09:40 PM
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Yes but I’m going to be very careful how I word this: You can screen everyone to make sure that you always have an escape route and you’re not in a situation where you’re alone and vulnerable with someone who can be a threat to you until after you’ve verified that they’re safe. That’s completely fine, I know I’m being analogous to but I wanted to be specific and clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 09:04 PM
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I agree with most of what you said I’d just like make the addendum that while widespread could be understood as saying that most women do this I think it more accurately means this exist in many places and conversations within the dating space, which I think is true. I don’t think most women spout these claims but I do they are common claims. If that doesn’t make sense I’m willing to elaborate. As for what can be done in a widespread way is to crackdown on these sentiments (within reason of cour…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 06:43 PM
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That’s a bad argument, men and women both play a part in all forms of misogyny and misandry, like I said, the fact that men contribute to misandry doesn’t negate the fact that it’s misandry. I think your example is an example of misandry not misogyny btw? How is “men will use you for sex” misogynistic? The act is, obviously but the statement is towards men not women. To answer your question: Are you familiar with the concept of notlikeothergirls?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 05:56 PM
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You want an example of misogyny contributed by women in mainstream culture? Just making sure?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 03:51 PM
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??? The issue isn’t being careful, you can be careful without projecting the actions of abusers onto an entire gender. That’s the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 10:27 AM
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These mistaken ideas are what misandry is founded upon. I don’t know how you’d know which is said more or how that disproves misandry Patriarchy hurts both men and women because it was built for powerful men not all men, they weren’t that generous. I will never know what it’s like to be a woman and you will never understand what it’s like to be a man but if it was impossible to come to an understanding them feminism would be worthless. Misandry isn’t the slightest inconvenience, your idea of mis…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 10:23 AM
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Maybe that’s because the majority of women you met hold similar views to you but I don’t think most women are okay with being treated like a gold digger by default and will fight against such labelling. I don’t think any person is okay with having the actions of a minority of their community being projected onto the majority. It’s a classic case of the good being punished for the bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 10:03 AM
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I disagree with most of what you say here but is it the job of women to change misandry perpetuated by women? Because that’s what is being asked.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 10:00 AM
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I made a reply to a comment under this that explains that, but essentially it’s a number of things: A guy is assumed under an extreme amount of bad faith when he says anything and needs to fight off all of the BS other men have said before they can even start the discussion. Pointing at how men are more likely to commit violent crimes when a man is simply bringing up his experiences of being abused by a woman. It might be true but it’s irrelevant to the conversation. Comparing men to loaded gun …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 09:56 AM
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??? That has nothing to do with what I said, obviously you can be attracted to strength and do your due diligence in not getting the shit beat out of you. I specified that what doesn’t make sense is that people are treating taking precautions and vilifying men as the same thing. I get that you don’t know who’s a criminal, but you not being alone with a man or making sure that you always have an escape plan isn’t the same as saying most men would rape if there weren’t any laws or comparing to any…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 09:40 AM
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Fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 09:29 AM
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True but both these ideologies are wrong we can agree on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 09:12 AM
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How so? He states clearly that the issue is when men raping/assaulting women is brought in irrelevant conversations about dating and used as a gotcha along with conflating the necessary precautions women need to protect themselves with painting men across the board as predators. Perhaps you just want specific examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 09:11 AM
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What doesn’t make sense is that there is a difference between looking out for yourself and treating half the population like monsters, you can do one without doing the other. Precautions are necessary but you can do literally all of them without making men out to be all predators.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 09:06 AM
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But not fine with the majority of women, but I appreciate your consistency.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 09:01 AM
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Are they the same men? If they are then yes that’s hypocrisy, if not then you’re just conflating two different groups of people. Men do contribute hugely to misandry in the same way women also contribute to misogyny, that doesn’t change any of what OP said and shouldn’t be used to discredit what he’s saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 08:58 AM
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What’s vague?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 08:54 AM
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I feel like everyone has intrusive thoughts though, not just men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 06:44 PM
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That’s a good point, man on woman rape might actually increase as well due to some men now taking out their lack of libido on women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 06:42 PM
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Why? I understand that it can come off as shallow but I feel like that’s saying “it’s sad that the only thing motivating people is hunger, comfort or spite” it’s a matter of perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 06:41 PM
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If men suddenly lost their libido that would have a huge impact on anyone but especially men. A lot of men, as sad at it is, only have porn addiction for coping mechanisms and to lose that might be the last straw for a lot of people. And speaking in long term a lack of libido would lead to depression and some of those would lead to suicidal ideation and some of those would lead to suicide.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 06:35 PM
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Well women to man rape would assuredly increase, but also I’d surmise that the male suicide rate would skyrocket. One I’m not sure of is if productivity would drastically fall or improve even though I’d bet on the former.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 06:30 PM
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Prolly a lot of stuff but I think it has to do with nature and nurture. Dudes are attracted based in more sexual attributes than women (I think) while women have more factors of attraction. Dudes don't get much compliments on looks unless they're in the 1%, women have to deal with that shit constantly.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 11:17 AM
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Because that’s the only way they see access to dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 09:18 AM

Fair lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 08:10 AM

There’s a difference between charmed and average. And I’d assume most blue pills are average.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 07:46 AM
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The thing about the solidarity is that it’s often unconscious and based on life experiences. I think we should self-check but there are fair reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 05:36 AM

I don’t necessarily disagree but it’ll just exacerbate the problem. It’s just a vicious cycle. “In the same breath Men should continue to judge women for their past as promiscuity is a sign that someone isn’t built for long term relationships, possibly unfaithful, often has a chip on their shoulder because they’ve been ran through by shit men and are extremely paranoid” You get the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 05:13 PM
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Fair.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/11/23 04:59 PM
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Definitely have that lol
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/11/23 02:26 AM

You’re making some assumptions here, I know men also contribute to poor child-rearing. I was asking how is it wrong to say “So if the world’s messed up women have also played a big role in that”? I got my answers tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 05:56 PM

Also true.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 04:20 PM

Fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 02:50 PM

I agree that it’s stupid to blame the outcome on one sex. However didn’t OP specifically say “also”?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 02:42 PM

Are they wrong tho? And if so, how?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 02:37 PM
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It’s insane how nigh impossible it is to find male support groups.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/11/23 05:53 PM
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This is an issue of how men don’t seem to support each other as much as we should. It’s a man issue so why are we bringing women into it? It’s something I see commonly whenever a man brings up his issues and asks for help and it seems like everyone’s more concerned with the women than with the dude in need of help. I’d argue that’s a big reason why men aren’t getting support from other men. In the same breath though obviously the core reasons are more systemic though. What do you think?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/11/23 07:27 AM
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I’d say the mere fact that we can’t address this without bringing up women is one of the biggest factors of why this is.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/11/23 07:13 AM
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Or anyone with useful advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 06:16 AM
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Np, just wanna do what I can to help. I can completely relate to hating the trial and error of relationships and the expense of emotional effort just to have it arbitrarily scrapped cuz of something out of your control. It’s why I don’t really pursue em these days tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 04:12 AM
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Yeah, I can relate to this quite heavily in fact. We’re characterised as monsters because of the monstrous things so many fellow men do. It really affect how you see yourself as a person. Sometimes it’s very hard not to hate yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 03:26 AM
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LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! THE STRAWMANNING GOES CRAZY!!!! I never even fucking implied that those two things are the same. You’ve brilliantly pointed out how men are the biggest victims of male violence and yet can’t grasp that obviously both men and women are scared that men will kill them. Men are scared of having them and their problems disregarded simply because they’re male. Is this as bad as being scared of murder or rape? Not always but putting such an absolutist judgement of which is worse or…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 03:23 AM
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Not even a man’s whose job it is to help you? And is legally required to not use that information to hurt you in any way?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 03:04 AM
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Because you’re a misandrist is the real answer, but I assume you’d say something else? What is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 02:59 AM
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That saying is flawed, do you know why?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 02:55 AM
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That fucker is an active example of why some people should shut the fuck up in a discussion. Listen, they said it in the worst way possible but if you can afford to it’d probably help a lot to get a therapist (preferably male) and vent these negative feelings and work on them. Believe me, it really helps a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 02:52 AM
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THEN WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING?!!?!! YOU’RE NOT HELPING JACK SHIT!!!! IN FACT YOU’RE PROBABLY ACTIVELY MAKING THINGS WORSE. If you don’t care, that’s fine. Just don’t act like you do and give half-assed advice please.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 02:50 AM
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Reddit is not a good reflection for really any group of people to be honest. People are way more willing to be unrepentant pieces of shit on the internet where they’re anonymous than any sane person would be irl. And yes there’s an INSANE amount of bad faith assumed of a guy whenever he says anything on the internet or even irl sometimes tbh. You have to constantly explain what you meant and defend what you said even though you never even implied half the shit they accused you of. And then incel…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 02:43 AM
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I can see you’re pretty disaffected but I think some of the negative feedback you’re getting is part of a loop where you lash out at people because people have lashed out on you/men and it just keeps cycling back and forth. It’s hard and probably doesn’t seem worth it but try and be more respectful and nicer and you’ll probably find more women willing to in turn respect and be nicer to you even though they’re’ll always be horrible people.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 02:37 AM
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Sorry for the unsolicited advice btw, I’ve just given this advice to many of my friends in similar situations. Indeed. I hate to say it but most of it is just trial and error. At best you can look up markers for a good relationship and attributes of good people and try to aim for that where you can see it but manipulative people will always try to emulate that and take advantage of your ignorance. I would say: Be very open about your situation and don’t be afraid to ask questions about anything …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 02:26 AM
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Maybe you just don’t know because of your life experience, which is understandable, but it’s perfectly possible for someone to keep u alive and not give a singular shit about you. It’s actually very probable that someone raised in abusive household wouldn’t be able to find healthy relationships because they have no idea what that looks like.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 02:06 AM
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Literally every human on this earth gets a chance “to be chosen” unless you’re dead. You have less of a chance than someone more conventionally attractive and socially adept but you’re pretending as if everyone doesn’t have the ability to increase their chances by improving parts of themselves like fashion, looks, social skills, sexual prowess and yes, even the morals that you say don’t matter compared to the other aspects You’re using extremely skewed data to prove a point but you’re ignoring h…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 08:05 AM
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There’s too many barriers to relationships, Men are constantly taught how to not approach and what not to do and yet we’re never told how we should approach or what we should do. We just cut bait and a lot of us who are truly desperate are probably caught in the hundreds of traps for lonely men that are ironically way cheaper than “therapy” and parents apparently don’t give enough of a shit to restrict internet access.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 02:07 PM
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Indeed.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/10/23 07:53 AM
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I think the idea that you’d be able to adapt in any meaningful sense if you switched sex if you’re not a trans person is ridiculous. Life is hard. Each sex experiences unique challenges and advantages and it’s stupid to compare them. It’s been scientifically proven that neither side would have it easier if we switched and it would actually be worse because we wouldn’t have the experience to help.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/10/23 09:09 PM
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I’m too young to choose a side, especially when each side seems so dogmatic and loaded with so many things that you seemingly “have” to cosign. I align with mostly leftist ideals but as you’ve seen I don’t agree with all things leftists do.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/10/23 04:40 AM
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