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The article is agreeing with me but disagreeing with many of the women on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 08:43 PM
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The difference in “loneliness” between men and women is being portrayed as much larger than the evidence and real life is suggesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 07:53 PM
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And what are they doing with those social connections when surveys and what I can see with my own two eyes contradicts the extent of the disparity to which women on here claim?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 06:50 PM
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Fine, but women need to stop gloating they are in a much better place because of their alleged deeper and more numerous connections. Sentiments of “If only men were as emotionally intelligent as women” or would just “do the work” tend to get a lot of circle-jerky upvotes. I’m not even disagreeing with the point women are doing slightly better than men due to some higher average social participation. But some people can’t help themselves if it means implying the default judgment of men being lone…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 05:49 PM
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I do think there is some mild call to interact with the unhealthy with genuine kindness, love, and dignity. A well-meaning but also a very generic sentiment. You can have all of those towards homeless people you will never interact with, but the debate gets messy when the "unhealthy" and the healthy become intimately intertwined. If I wanted to be bad faith, I'd say you're just slut shaming with extra steps. I won't be, because that's not what I believe, but the logical conclusion of your ethics…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 07:54 PM
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Adoption, raise her kids from a previous relationship, or have another man do the deed while you sit and watch in the cuck chair. Thats a question OP needs to answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 07:34 PM
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I've never seen another man on here describe it this way but this is how I feel about it: A loving romantic relationship is made up of several interconnected foundations, one of them being sex/sexual attraction. It is more than the sum of those major foundational parts, but also very different and unstable without even one of those foundational major parts. Women are no strangers to this concept. When women call out the tendency for men to neglect domestic responsibilities, it is bigger than see…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 07:31 PM
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What about the other side of this? That is how do you want others to treat them when engaging in or approaching consensual sexual activity with them?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 06:42 PM
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Should that make any difference? How does prior abuse affect the ethics of participating in willing & consensual sexual activity with the former abuse victim?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 06:32 PM
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What specifically about my response paints me as a vile sex junky that hates women?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 08:11 PM
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This question is posed in such a way women can just go, "oh see, men just want us for our bodies." There are multiple, very different questions nested in this post so: sex with women was no longer an option, would you still go on dates and pursue time with women? Not romantically, no. If every encounter was guaranteed to never end in sex, would you talk to or relate to women voluntarily? Yeah, probably. Would you abandon heterosexual relationships because they would all be sexless Yep. go for ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 11:53 PM
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Seems like you're talking past each other. What she seems to be saying is that her bf doesn't have a wandering eye, not that he doesn't notice. Its a question of respect and boundaries, not whether straight men like women's boobs and butts because, yeah, of course we all do.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 02:09 AM
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That first sentence is incomplete. Different women have different sex drives at different times in their lives and the intensity of libido varies significantly between different men. I don’t doubt there is a “baseline” variability insofar as some women are (all other things being equal) hornier than other women. But that is never how it works in real life. You can be hookup material to one woman and relationship material to another. You are still nothing without some sense of familiarity, or bei…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 07:14 PM
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Color me surprised that a guy who cheats on his pregnant wife and abandons his family also has some vile opinions about gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 04:32 PM
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Obviously. Are you saying the sentiment only exists among those women who "aren't interested in dating men"?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 02:50 PM
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Average/lame is just the default category you're placed in until you can prove otherwise. Do you as a woman genuinely not see any contempt or disappointment for the average man coming from other women? When women on here say, "if my current partner passes, I'm not going to try dating again, I'll just die single" where do you think this is coming from?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 03:31 AM
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Where exactly does he refer to it being resource extraction?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 02:14 AM
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He probably just misremembered what a warm approach was and called it a warm lead. And it’s not a dumbass strategy or exclusively a PUA term, it’s the most recommended way to get dates according to most of the women on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 11:36 PM
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Are you expecting me to care about that?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:52 PM
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It’s up to each individual woman to decide if the risk is worth the reward. If you feel like there aren’t enough checks and balances, you shouldn’t be getting married and having children in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:15 PM
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The damage you can cause societally by neglecting the upbringing of young boys & men is scary to think about. Access to any vice that promises instant gratification has to be controlled. But that is, first and foremost, a failure in parenting. Kids still spend more than 2/3 of their life out of the classroom. Just introducing strict military rules and physical punishments won't reliably work when you have parents that aren't invested or overly protective.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 06:39 PM
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That's the first of the iPad generation making its way into the workforce. Delayed adulthood is the term for it. The panopticon of social media heavily discourages risk taking, so the skill of just "figuring stuff out on your own" has atrophied. COVID + bad parenting is probably also heavily to blame, but the world looks pretty dismal in terms of both economic and dating prospects. So while I don't endorse it and would never encourage it, I do understand the sentiment. Are women their age much b…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 06:28 PM
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I've seen it work too in mixed gender friend groups in high school and college and the difference is in the type of guy. When it did work it was because the guy was generally seen as safe, normal, somewhat good-looking, and actually did take no for an answer the first time. He wasn't pestering her and she probably did really mean no the first time. Often times they both went on to date different people but circled back when those didn't work out. Feelings and preferences can change.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 11:57 AM
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Yes, it absolutely can be. Would you like me to provide you an example? Also, do I need to hold your hand and actually explain that when I say “she is a normal human being” that is a shorthand way of saying, “she is susceptible to the same kinds of maladaptive strategies, heuristics, and psychological fallacies as any man.”
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 08:55 PM
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It’s not “burying your head in the sand” to prioritize based on severity and causal effect. In a medical scenario, there may be several sources of pain. You would want a doctor that prioritizes dealing with the largest source of that pain, yes? And usually it’s for decisions where the gender isn’t even that relevant. I didn’t say acting due to patriarchy is praised, I’m saying *the explanation* of just “the patriarchy” or some derivative is praised/upvoted to the top.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 07:24 PM
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I do not see the utility in using social pressure to explain women’s actions and decisions that can overwhelmingly be explained by them being, for lack of a better phrase: a normal human woman with an imperfect human brain. I can sympathize with many of the social pressures put on women *and men*, but for some reason, (especially when it comes to attraction, self-destructive behavior, and what type of behaviors women will tolerate from a male partner) patriarchy or some derivative explanation is…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:38 PM
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Not necessarily. There are a myriad of reasons for staying in a relationship. Maybe they're afraid of being alone. Maybe they just see each other as just roommates and don't care. Maybe it's a toxic/unhealthy relationship and both parties would be better off if they broke up.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:40 AM
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Everything is based around wants now, not needs. And women who want to have children usually end up finding a man that can give them one.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:36 AM
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I don’t know know the story about the guy who swiped 2 million times. But getting a match is the first in a long line of hurdles you need to clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 11:51 PM
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Is reciprocated, effortful attention from women on an online dating app the metric for success we are using? That’s it? Anyone is free to make a fake online dating profile of an average looking guy looking for something serious and see what it’s like. Reddit has made a meme of the whole “you guys are getting matches?” but then there’s how many of those matches turn into conversations, how many of those conversations are good enough to get a date, how many dates are actually scheduled, how many o…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 10:20 PM
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Ok... he would only be changing his preference from casual to serious. Which I don't really see as an improvement.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 08:05 PM
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What do you mean? I'm not arguing against changing or improving oneself. You guys (not most guys) do nothing to be wanted. What do you know about me Lilith?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 08:00 PM
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Wouldn't have mattered much if he was looking for something serious. I don't think the world is unfair. Women don't need men anymore, and a downstream effect of that is there exists an asymmetry of effort and interest between men and women. It is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 07:17 PM
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Its pretty banal advice but the reality check sorely needed to this post is that there is no untapped, abundant reservoir (or fishing pond to apply to your analogy) of single and looking women. Men remain on dating apps because the occasional bite from a fish you probably won't catch is more encouraging than hiking 10 miles upstream to another pond rumored to have bigger fish you're likely to catch. Every other environment a guy can put himself in, starting from scratch, is still going to have t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 06:56 PM
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Wow what sage wisdom. Truly revelatory information you're spitting here. /s Women have always wanted men who were both nice and good-looking. These "new" standards you think women have aren't exactly new.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 08:08 PM
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Most of the men I know under 35 who are in successful relationships know how to cook, do chores, and are generally just competent. You can't "advertise" any of these as a man as easily as you can income. Its a moot point when those things take a bit of time and effort to ascertain, so you might as well go for the honest signals that are immediately apparent, like looks. Because "if the guy was a lazy asshole, at least he was a hot lazy asshole" (not my words btw, that's what they have been sayin…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 06:58 PM
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Ok 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 04:14 PM
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Can't call out what I don't see. The creepy behavior you are complaining about generally tends to happen out of earshot and eyeshot of other men that would be able to put a stop to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 04:11 PM
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IOW, be made to answer or blamed for not "holding other men accountable".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 04:07 PM
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Because, according to most women who have talked to me about this, it's mostly a subset of older men who lack any social awareness and empathy. These men grew up under different times with outdated moral systems and failed to adapt. I won't defend them but I'm also not going to "atone" for their sins.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 10:52 PM
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My point js that it seems like one of the reasons they work well for you is because they allow you to apply filters (and I'm not just talking about the filters built into the apps like height or religion. I'm talking about your own personal ones as well) to every single man on the app in an X mile radius. And your definition of a dating pool is still who is left after those filters have been applied?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 02:13 PM
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I understand your point but that's obviously not what I'm debating. If you wanted a smaller pool you'd be dating through mutuals or hobby groups or something similar, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 01:43 PM
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I’d rather have a much smaller dating pool made up of people who seem highly compatible You're defacto fishing in a massive pool if you're doing online dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 12:33 AM
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Acquiescence to those facts doesn’t mean that one can’t recognize that in regards to the history of the Earth those changes are occurring very quickly. Trying to posture ‘it’s getting them nowhere’ is reductive. How is it reductive? Would you instead prefer "fighting a losing battle" because most metrics I've seen have women fairing worse today than 20+ years ago. So why is that? They don't need men so they can pull themselves up by their bootstraps with their superior agency and social & emotio…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 10:27 PM
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One can feel and express loneliness from a lack of romantic love Ok...? and I'm sure they can fill that void adequately through all those non-romantic outlets you just mentioned. Since women are so much better than men at "striving" towards these outlets, then there is no cause for concern. If you want to insist that women's loneliness is a real issue than one of the two things must be true: either all that "striving" is getting them nowhere or women aren't doing that much better than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 09:17 PM
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I don't equate loneliness with getting laid but there is an abundance of women, especially on this sub, that love to flaunt how much better women are doing loneliness-wise claiming a higher quality and quantity of social connections (family, friends, community). The implication of course being that women are vastly superior to men in terms of emotional intelligence, emotional labor, and communication. I'm not arguing some disparity doesn't exist, but the flaunting isn't doing women any favors if…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 03:12 PM
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Ordinary = boring, and boring = bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:58 PM
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Not if you look at the net end result. It has to be one or the other. (Or neither).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 01:27 AM
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I didn’t say YOU did but YOU benefit greatly from the system in place that favors you. I thought patriarchy harms men. Did the script change or is this yet another case of schroedingers male privilege?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 11:43 PM
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I think your problem has more to do with men behaving creepily and not taking no for an answer, not just "men approaching" you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 07:32 PM
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Why isn't saying a certain group does more of a bad thing a moral claim?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 05:11 AM
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For the the first one I should have said vehicular homicide caused by negligence but with that small amendment, both are moral claims, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 01:22 AM
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Those two things aren't mutually exclusive. If you're saying A group commits more immoral actions than B group based on a statistical trend, that is still a moral claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 11:37 PM
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Sure, it matters. If it wasn't clear from the beginning, I already believe men commit more obvious immoral actions than women. So why would it offend me? Would it offend you to hear that people who own a car are more likely to cause vehicular homicide? Or what about the fact that people in wheelchairs are less likely to start barfights?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 11:30 PM
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Do you?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 09:35 PM
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But not immoral?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 05:28 PM
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In this content violative means violating which means IGNORING OTHERS’ BOUNDARIES AND CONSENT FOR YOUR OWN GAIN. And you don't see this behavior as immoral?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 02:57 PM
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If someone makes a claim based off the perception of "men are more debaucherous," that is a moral claim, yes or no? "violative" isn't really a morally neutral term is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 12:21 AM
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Are you conceding on the point it is a moral claim?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 10:03 PM
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The perception of men being more "debauched" is a moral claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 09:40 PM
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And women would do the same if their biology allowed them. Women's greater inhibition towards casual sex doesn't come from a place of moral virtuousness.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 06:46 PM
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My condolences for the bad dick but what do you think some of the differences might be between the women who have bad sex most of the time and women who claim they have great sex most of the time?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 12:28 AM
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Obviously you're going to have women on here saying, "Yeah, would be great if I could cum everytime" not mentioning the leadup of a guy that is her physical type approaching her first, saying all the right things, and sexually escalating at the exact pace she wants. I don't doubt safety is the biggest factor but it would just get replaced by another difficult-to-clear goalpost (see above). And if that isn't enough, hormones make libido so variable dpending on the woman and time of the month its …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 12:18 AM
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Treating women as asexual until proven otherwise would actually solve a lot of problems women complain about. That's not exactly what OP is saying, but that's my MO and I don't need to write a manifesto to rationalize why [most] women aren't attracted to me. That is just the reality for most men so I wouldn't even interpret it as an insult.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:07 PM
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Not entirely So then it is mostly the case that men in real life aren’t offended by your precautions?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 08:14 PM
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If i take serious precautions men need to stop complaining that we are treating them all as dangerous. Is this not already the case outside of the intense online gender war spaces?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 07:05 PM
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Actually true. “Men are more predisposed to violence because of testosterone” is far more preferable to me than “men are more predisposed to violence because of patriarchy”. Not only because it’s probably true but because the latter gets used as a social blank check with diffuse and constantly changing goals. The only thing I would like to see change is the separation of this gender-wide moral virtue towards predisposition towards violence. If we’re going to acknowledge that yes, testosterone so…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 11:04 PM
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Isn’t the goal to get [the collective] men bothered so they take some sort of collective action? So my typical response of staring blankly into space, yawning, and a half-condescending, “that must be really hard” whenever I’m listening to “not all men but somehow always a man,” is… the preferred response?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 10:48 PM
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Speak for yourself. There is a difference between a "ew, no" and a "slow down cowboy, I'm not ready yet". There is nothing worst than a man you hardly know pressing for sex. "Hardly know"? You're either moving or obfuscating the goalposts. Applying the oft-repeated "women are not a monolith" and the statement becomes useless because I know you know the familiarity threshold for sex varies wildly between women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 04:46 PM
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Ok, 99% is a bit of an over-exaggeration but it will be a clear majority no matter how you would fractionalize the demographics of surveyed women. Also, what happens when those younger women become older women? Are we expecting them to just spontaneously mature and have a more healthy outlook after consuming ragebait content for 12+ years? Hopefully more people reject the programming and start interacting and thinking for themselves IRL. There is no programming. Just an algorithm that measures a…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 05:54 PM
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Ok, so let's say someone is very trusting but is frequently falling victim to financial scams and keeps losing large sums of money. Or let's say you don't look both ways before entering a "safe to walk" crosswalk and don't notice a driver not slowing down because he is texting and driving. Do you recognize a difference between fault in responsibility in these two scenarios?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 01:11 PM
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Most women believe 99% of straight men are misogynistic to some degree. Understand that misogynist is the default label a woman will put on you anyway, so a guy calling another guy a misogynist to women is kind of a "no shit sherlock" moment and just looks disingenuous. There are ugly misogynists, mid misogynists, hot misogynists that are only good for sex, and then the "husband-material" misogynists that have a tolerable amount of misogyny to be in a relationship with.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 12:42 PM
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I understand. I am just saying you are blaming women for abuse. You didn’t describe a crazy hot man. You simply blamed women for abuse. Is there any difference to you between the concepts of responsibility and fault?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 10:21 AM
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Half the days I wake up to the sound of them play-fighting.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 02:26 AM
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Brother & sister bonded pair. In cat years they'd be teenagers, ~8 months old by now so still very playful and active most of the time. Cat tax: <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 01:21 AM
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I got a couple of cats and jumped on the antidepressants. Those single women are onto something 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 11:59 PM
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Your experience/perspective isn't very valuable when you share it with almost every single partnered woman. It is so completely synchronous to how woman's sexuality typically operates I am amazed at how so many women think its some sort of epiphany.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 03:16 PM
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If our relationship was to end for whatever reason I doubt I would pursue another serious relationship again. Literally every woman in a committed relationship says this. 🥱 Do you guys not realize how much like NPCs you all sound?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 09:11 AM
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Its not just about attractiveness, its about opportunities. Becoming more attractive is one way to increase your opportunities but its not the only way. And women can do nothing to improve and still find relationships because men allow it. That lack of accountability exists because men enable it because they are slaves to their penises.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 04:37 AM
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They sure can.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 04:23 AM
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Women always have the option to stay single. That's why my empathy is limited. Have these women tried the whole "decentering men" thing? I'm sure they would be a lot happier if they did, at least that's what women tell me. And I've been reliably informed by women that women have all these deep relationships with friends and family that men supposedly don't have, which makes them sooo much happier than single men. So if you're struggling as a woman uh... just go do that I guess? Why risk getting …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 02:06 AM
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External and internal factors. OkShame3452 is closer than you are, although I wouldn't use the word "retarded". More like: pitiful learned helplessness. You can always choose how you react to those external factors, and some women do overcome these, but too many of these women would rather sulk and complain at men or the patriarchy or [insert external factor], much like the incel groups they make fun of. Is no one reminding these women that staying single/de-centering men is a option? If you thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:01 AM
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Choice is pretty much the same as agency. And I do think women have a higher ceiling for agency (at least relative to men) when it comes to dating, but not very many of them exercise that agency to its full potential. 95+% of that gap of underutilized agency is due to some combination of anxiety/depression/self-worth issues, trauma, personality disorders, attachment issues, strong emotional imprinting from an ex, shyness/social introversion, and/or impossibly high standards for a partner. If I'm…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 07:58 PM
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I did say disadvantage, not dealbreaker. But it doesn't matter because this is just a "gotcha" post for pro-life men, which I already stated I'm not. Besides, if I was financially capable to buy that much formula, I would probably just hire help at that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 06:53 PM
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Using "mother nature" or typical mammal mating behavior to glean any information about humans is stupid. The amount of work it takes to birth, nurse, and raise a human infant to self sufficiency is so astronomically high compared to the rest of the animal kingdom, it renders our species an extreme outlier. Even female bonobos (which I see feminists try to promote as they have more matriarchal social structures, have high female reproductive agency, and are closest to us genetically) still choose…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 03:03 PM
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Please elaborate... and provide sources if you can.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 07:44 PM
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Forced to? Like getting raped, forced to incubate the fetus and raise the child type forced? I had no idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 05:50 PM
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Twice, but both times it was me who ended it early due to obvious disinterest in the case of one and disrespect in the case of the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 06:00 PM
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Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know who you were previously or peruse your unavailable comment and post history to figure that out. I see, so your (presumably) shitty ex-husbands pushed you into being a lesbian, is that it? Can't say I've ever seen the same in bi to straight men. Also, gay men trash women all the time Deservedly so when they’re treated as props/accessories to straight women. At least women never do it to other women so we can't say its a "people thing".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 05:57 PM
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If you act super positive and bubbly on dates, an inexperienced man will often get the erroneous impression the date is going really well when, in reality, the woman is really only "enduring" him. Its a canon event for a guy; you just have to let it happen at least once or until you learn to not really read much into first date "signals". I think I would prefer to have the date end as soon as one person knows it isn't going to work, (because the thought of someone else feeling like they have to …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 08:09 AM
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Context matters. I've never heard a gay man talk about how "useless" women are in the same statement he is revealing his sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 07:56 AM
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Oh, you're one of those people. So you've never had a moment where you knew there would be no chemistry at the beginning of the date? And most of these dates don't result in LTRs so wouldn't that be a lot of rejection texts?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 03:17 AM
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If you're going to be a lesbian, you should be doing it because you like women, not because you're sick and tired of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 02:34 AM
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I guess you and other women with a similar experience have no stories to complain about. The process of dating was never exhausting for you though?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 02:30 AM
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What would you put the % at then?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 02:26 AM
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Depends on how many weeks she's along. I would find the means to go out of state for an abortion and offer to pay for it if she agreed (I haven't considered myself pro-life/conservative for over a decade so not hypocritical). If that was impossible or she's too far along, it would depend on the quality of life the kid would have. Since I can't breastfeed or WFH to take care of the baby, I'd be at a disadvantage & would probably go for adoption. If I happened to have the vast resources to raise i…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 06:06 PM
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You think a lot less about fumbling when you're not dating through the apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 03:21 PM
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I kind of find it hard to believe men would readily admit to living in a low income area. For someone who has actually lived close enough but not exactly in these areas, most of the people who live there have never even heard of reddit. And even if they did, the systemic literacy problems present in these communities make participation in a social media platform like reddit extremely unlikely. This "women choosing criminals" is more of a trope used when women start to moralize the whole sex/rela…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 03:19 AM
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What would the male equivalent of a woman whose last 3 exes got engaged within a year of breaking up with her be? Or a woman who was in a 4 year relationship with a guy that was dragging his feet on the marriage question, they broke up, and he proposes to his new girlfriend after 6 months of dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 01:25 AM
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Is this all really just cope for the fact that you don't want to be rejected? I'm obviously no pill as you can see by my flair, but there is a nugget of old RedPill wisdom I once heard and it is this: treat all these fears by women and sometimes not so subtle misandrist manifestations of those fears as a shit test. If you let any of these fears inhibit approaching, you already failed. You're supposed to be emotionally stable and strong for her and you let a few women on the internet dictate your…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 12:30 AM
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Lol "good men". Look at her example. It's all just the same raping, assaulting demographic of "men" to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 12:00 AM
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Any amount of social engineering encouraging more person to person interaction should not be designed/advertised as leveling the playing field for dating. That would just be a side effect. Dating isnt supposed to be completely fair. By "leveling the playing field" I interpreted that to mean "more fair than it is now".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 07:13 PM
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Anything that promotes more person to person interaction will make dating more fair. There was some evidence in a speed dating study suggesting women's standards go up proportional to the size of their dating pool. That effect was not observed with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 03:55 PM
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Again, what makes you think this is a reason? I hang out with women a lot and I never got the impression that one of the reasons they go on a vacation is to post it on social media. Having been on vacation with some of them, the amount of time they spend trying to get the perfect angle for that perfect shot they will post on their IGs, taking pictures of every meal, still being glued to their phones while on vacation. NotAllWomen, of course. I mean…yeah. People who are really interested will not…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 05:58 PM
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The youngest millennial is turning 30 next year and statistically most of us are married. I think we'll be fine. Gen Z is less fucked than us? Ok buddy. Have you seen their social skills? They didn't just "grow up" on the internet, they overdosed on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 05:05 PM
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Most young single middle class women are so rich that they go to 50 countries or are political activists? No, that's probably a bit of an exaggeration on OP's part. Do you personally go on vacations to compare with other men? Or what makes you think this exactly? No, because most of us aren't like this. I don't think its the main reason women go on vacation but it is a reason. I think OP's point is that young single women seem like they're making themselves unavailable. Whether that is anxiety, …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 04:52 PM
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This paragraph alone should make it obvious that the women you were dating were not even close to being representative of the general population. I'd say its representative of most upper middle/upper class single & young women in most cities in the US. We're not trying to romance grandmas out in the boons so we have to narrow down more than just the general population of women. The type of single women OP is describing very well could make up a substantial portion of his dating pool. I know it d…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 11:13 PM
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Living on my own, just turned 30, got a couple of cats, been on SSRIs for almost a year so my libido went way the fuck down... Why do we make fun of women for this again? This life is actually pretty kickass.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 06:49 PM
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How is it paranoia? Because society isn't that hostile and men aren't that monolithic. What you're describing sounds borderline conspiratorial. I’ve seen the way men gaslight women when they talking about their experience of street harassment and sexual violence. Yeah me too, but at least I have the media literacy to understand most of that is happening online and is in no way indicative of how the general population treats and views sexual violence. In fact you’re trying to do it right now. So …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 10:37 PM
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So you'll be moving to the all-women commune then, right? Men close ranks when accused of sexual violence. Oh shit, you're onto us. How did you know we all get memos whenever a new man is accused of rape so we can shield him from consequences? How did you know we have all the DAs (even the women DAs) in our pocket and that we've been threatening them to stop prosecuting rape cases? I don't know how someone with your level or paranoia functions in a society unless you are dishonestly exaggerating…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 10:14 PM
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Ok, so I'll ask again: do you believe our society offers no recourse or sympathy for the victimized?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 09:56 PM
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Ok...? And what is your point? I don't think abusers have this sort of internal monologue or self awareness, do you? I've also never really associated masculinity with abuse and domination. Abuse doesn't only happen across gender lines. Women can also be perpetrators and men victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 08:44 PM
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And are you telling me our society offers no recourse or sympathy to the victimized? When men catcall, harass and assault it is with this intention. I would have to disagree. The men who catcall, harass, and assault are doing this for themselves, not in service to maintaining some systemic dominance hierarchy. These men aren't nearly cunning or intellectual see past "I hurt this person and it made me feel good/powerful".
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 05:08 PM
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Its situation specific but you were the first to bring up societal power imbalances and how that imbalance is upkept between genders through the victimization of women by men, yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 04:06 PM
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Missed that particular post and I almost never downvote but many of the ladies here are incredibly NPC-ish with their answers: "My husband is so great because xyz and if he ever died I would live as a single cat lady. <image> Like lol. Its like they can't help putting down other men as part of justifying their relationship with one. Its more humorous than it is offensive to me
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 02:25 AM
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That would make everyone a victim then, right? Who hasn't had something terrible happen to them. Are we going to hash this out or can we just skip to the part where you declare women's ontological victim status? We're talking about entire demographics not individuals, yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 02:12 AM
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Too young. But that sort of behavior is already starting to creep its way into the mid-20s demographics as the terminally online, kids who have had smartphones and Instagram since they were 5 years old, get older. This is probably a foreign concept to most women on PPD because they skew older and partnered, but the social awareness and communication skills of most young women is pretty abysmal.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 02:53 PM
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On the spectrum of social darwinism to benevolent communalism, we sit somewhere in the middle but generally hold values like charity and equity in high regard. So yes, there is power in victimhood status.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 06:09 PM
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If you're not actually as weak as you're perceived, of course it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 09:19 AM
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Weather is a predictable force with no conscious effort behind it Weather is inherently unpredictable the farther out in time you are making your prediction. That's why meteorologists look at clouds, air pressure, historical patterns, seasons, temperature, etc. You can't predict if a man is going to predate upon you or not. No one is making predictions on a whim though. We use contextual clues, signals, body language, and often our own biases to make more accurate inferences. reality actually re…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 11:52 PM
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Even the men do not assault women benefit from the fact that some men do. Men's greatest weakness is their facade of strength; women's biggest strength is their facade of weakness.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 11:42 PM
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In my amateur opinion, a pretty significant % of wives complaining about their lazy husbands are actually married to undiagnosed and unmedicated ADHD men. Adderall/vyvanse have probably saved thousands of marriages.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 06:30 PM
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Didn't answer my question.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 05:35 AM
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Lilith, would you care to explain why the gender reversed version of your thesis doesn't apply to you? Seems like you're writing just about every other day about sex-obsessed, lying, pervy men. Maybe women should just be vetting these men out of their dating pool instead of complaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 08:47 PM
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I don't know if I would use the word "hate". Judge, probably, but not hate. But with that out of the way, I always like to remind myself that these people are judging you for quite literally not being a good enough dancing monkey. And they're also doing so from the perspective you might be the next Elliot Rodgers on the verge of murder/suicide if a crumb of pussy isnt thrown your way. Since you're already a villain in their eyes, why try to please them?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 08:40 AM
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but at least women aren’t aggressive enough to make it everybody else’s problem. So you haven't spent much time around divorced women then?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 04:09 AM
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She isn’t a recluse and nearly everywhere she goes as a regular there will be men. Yeah, 60+ year old men, married men, gay men, obese men, short men or just men shorter than her. All types of men. She has a certain type of man she is attracted to and as the ladies on PPD say: she is perfectly fine being alone until that man comes around. If she sees a man she is attracted to on one of her regular errands or activities she will begin to regularly flirtatiously interact with him then begin a rela…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 08:07 PM
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Its not really about the social circles but the reach and "quality" of the social circles. Inevitably there will be some women in this thread saying you're not actually supposed to date the women in your social circle but the other women friends/acquaintences/cousins/coworkers they are connected to. While I agree this would be ideal, it also assumes that the woman has these connections and is a bit of an extrovert, both of which are often not the case. Neither the men nor the women on this sub s…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 07:37 PM
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Well if men date manipulative women, then they also like manipulative women. See if that guy agrees to that. If there is a pattern in dating failures, it becomes something of a skill issue, regardless of gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 03:48 AM
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What societies determine to be criminal vs just shitty behavior is downstream of the harm we perceive a particular act causes. That doesn't contradict my point however, which is about moral agency, not harm. Women get about as much credit for doing "less harm" as a bunch of castrated men in wheelchairs bragging that their demographic rapes and assaults less than the general population.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 03:40 AM
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You can reverse the genders and it still works. The question of "how good" a person is at dating depends on how you are measuring success. Finding a stable long term relationship first? Guy B wins. Number of dates and people slept with? Guy A. What matters more is how long each are in the dating pool. By definition, selfish and manipulative people are going to spend much more of their lives in said pool dating, leaving a trail of victims in their wake. Its probably the biggest reason online dati…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 02:49 AM
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I always thought it was weird when women assume the moral high ground because their misandry more often falls below the line of criminality. You don't have moral agency because you don't have the physical capability to overpower us or the hormones that we have. You want a pat on the back just because you were lucky enough to be born with 2 X chromosomes?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 02:41 AM
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I'll ask again: How would a warm approach be possible with the woman in my example?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 09:15 PM
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How would a warm approach be possible with the woman in my example? Let's assume dating someone from work is taboo like it is for most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 09:11 PM
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This woman just sounds like a nice woman the way you describe her. Yeah, I'm sure she is. If I changed a lot of those activities in my example I would essentially be describing myself. But most people do vent and ask questions of people they’re seeing or intending on seeing. Even in your example, this woman is open to dating and has a date plan for next week. Small but important miscommunication in my example: she's not "seeing" the guy as In dating, she literally just saw him/met him for the fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 07:50 PM
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in the time they’re just around each other they are often actively vetting each other see if a relationship with this person would be a good idea. Vetting? Effort? Ew. Why waste the effort on a man 😒. He's probably just lying or putting on an act anyway just so he can get in her pants. Maybe he's that 1 in a 1000 non-parasitic man and she might be able figure that out when she sees him again next week. But she also hasn't seen her friend who lives across town in a while, or she's tired from work…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 02:26 PM
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No, it just sounds like a cope for people with avoidant attachment styles. The decision for whether or not to date someone is almost never made with a careful weighing of pros vs cons. They just are around the person for a long enough period of time and if they like them enough... 🤷‍♂️ they date and then form a relationship. If you want to be 4B, just say you're 4B. No need to try to sugarcoat it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 11:37 PM
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Thats what it leads to in practice most of the time. "Oh, I'm not against being in a relationship with a man, I'm just 100% emotionally fulfilled with my friends, family, and hobbies, and I'm just too occupied with those + work to really go out and make an effort to meet anyone. Also I don't want any man ruining my peace because the default man is a parasite of my time, energy, emotions, money, and body until he can prove otherwise 💅💅💅" That's what the average woman preaching about decentering m…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 06:20 PM
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There were a fuck ton of redflags in the relationship prior, they just didn't give a fuck about them until the sex stopped But there's usually reasons why the sex has stopped. Ive been on that sub and some people find out their spouse was cheating on them the entire time. Sometimes its bodily changes like perimenopause, pregnancy. Sometimes its stress from work/childrearing, depression, or anti-depressants. Reasons vary, but the consensus over there is that a lack of sex can be both a problem in…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 06:42 PM
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So you can't. No I just don't see how its relevant. It just seems to be the exact opposite type of person your complaining about, which would be a male sexual aromantic. So sex has nothing to do with feeling love. It's just men wanting their dicks wet and not admitting it because they dont want to be seen as shallow while being shallow. If you say so. What are your thoughts on the deadbedrooms subreddit? Are any of their complaints illegitimate? Or just the men's?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 01:03 AM
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So you can't. No I just don't see how its relevant. Its literally the exact opposite type of person your complaining about, which would be a male sexual aromantic.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 12:58 AM
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Except that shows sex and romance arent the same thing Who is saying they are? Even in your post, this wouldn't be the case since the assertion you seem to be arguing against is that sex is a means to an end. It matters because most people can feel love and dont need sex to feel it Do you acknowledge there is a difference between familial love and romantic love? Then explain asexual alloromantics. Uh...why? Are most men asexual alloromantics? I don't see how that is relevant because isn't your g…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 12:45 AM
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Then explain asexuals that are also alloromantic. I would consider those people marginal and irrelevant to this conversation. Probably some type of rare neurodivergent condition or trauma caused them to be this way. Asexuals are a pretty small % of the general population. So this is someone with a neurodivergent condition or simply traumatized by something. It doesn't matter. Its not normal or moral to fuck your family sibling or parent but you can still love them. You can have or not have a rel…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 07:47 PM
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So they dont feel loved by friends and family? Maybe they do, maybe they don't. But that's a different non-romantic type of love.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 07:37 PM
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Ok, so is there a reason to believe men do feel love through sex once mutual trust and affection is established?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 06:59 PM
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Sorry, are you saying a man will get bored if she has sex with him too soon, but if he waits it out, he will remain interested? I ask because the act of withholding sex doesn't actually change anything about a particular man. I always thought the waiting for sex thing was just to filter out sex-obsessed men, not to change an otherwise hit-it-and-quit-it, Madonna-whore complex oriented man into a loyal interested partner. Plus, there are plenty of women married to men they had sex with on the fir…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 05:56 PM
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The point I'm trying to make is that these are two different types of men. Like you said: It depends on who you’re talking to.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 11:09 PM
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Idk, why don't women say they just want a guy with a stable income instead of a millionaire who showers them with expensive gifts on the first date. If they said the former, that would not be controversial.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 10:01 PM
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Ok, so an individual complaint against a systemic critique. I understand why someone would get angry depending on the tone and context, or if the complaint was levied directly at you. But let's strip those away and look at the statement "women need to choose better," which is often said in response to women pointing out patterns of male problematic behavior they have to deal with when dating and being in relationships with men. In that case, "choose better" (or perhaps less condescending derivat…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 06:18 PM
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The phrase "choose better" can be meant genuinely, but it is my experience that men (here) do not meant it genuinely. They mean it in a "If only you would give guys like me a chance" kind of way And what would be your test for genuineness in this case? Have you ever asked or just assumed?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 08:26 AM
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I would not be surprised. Because "many men" is an obscure number, and people with stupid opinions tend to be the loudest, especially online.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 01:28 AM
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The original question was about women. If she asked about men or everyone, then I would say much of the same for men too. These guys are the ones crying "But she settled!" So what do we do? We date them, we settled. We don't, we're too choosy. They aren’t the same guys, so you’re not going to win trying to please everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 07:50 PM
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Get off TikTok, Reddit, and Instagram comments sections. They are trust destroying and will never leave you feeling with a positive outlook on men. Avoid groups (both online and real life) where the sentiments of "men are trash" and "ugh... men" seem to be front and center for women-on-women bonding. Also, if you're single, looking, and jaded, take ownership. All your negative dating experiences coming from online dating apps? Get off them and seek out real life interactions with dateable men. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 11:44 PM
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What any person owes to the future of their species is a bit of a moral/ethical question that should transcend gender dynamics but won't in any real life or online contexts. This conversation is generally useless because all most women will react like you're trying to impose the Hamdmaid's Tale on them or accuse you of having a breeding kink. Its akin to old white guy screaming about needing to solve the crime issue in inner city black communities. He might be genuinely concerned about black cri…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 06:25 PM
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All of the evidence you cite seems to point toward its actual root being the exact patriarchal ideologies/social systems which are actually being challenged in the current era & historically pushed back against by plenty of women (& men). ...how? Why does (almost) everything toxic women do have to be as a result of patriarchy? Uh-oh, brain uncomfy, let's insert the word that explains everything and deflects the actual blame back to "collective men". Ever heard of a heuristic?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 04:00 PM
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So we're just going to play dumb that there are no common pitfalls women in particular fall into when choosing men?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 04:10 PM
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What don't you understand about them?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 04:09 PM
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I see this happening with male actors. Most of them are conventionally attractive, but women will go "meh, not my type" until he lands a breakout role in some RomCom or Netflix series or art-house indy film. There will be some increased media buzz, maybe some TikToks that go viral, but now that preselection spark is lit and he's the new hot guy until some other actor takes his place.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 05:55 AM
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Unattractive means bad looking or ugly to the overwhelming majority of people. Its a negative thing to call someone. Are we going to play these stupid language games? Some words have a larger consensus as to their meaning than others.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 05:46 AM
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I just gave you a few examples. You mean to tell me you and all of your women family, friends, acquaintances, and coworkers have a perfect record when it comes to their selection of men? I'm sure you can think of a personal example where this wasn't the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 09:22 PM
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A person's attraction "software" can be busted. For us men, we are warned that addictions to porn and looking at Instagram models are warping our perceptions of what the average woman looks like. Women aren't immune from having broken attraction software either. And I'm not even limiting it to just the online sphere; upbringing, real-life social pressure, trauma (real or imagined), age, some weird first crush/love/boyfriend imprinting, not being able to get over an ex, toxic attachment styles, e…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 09:26 AM
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I thought "What do you bring besides your body?" implies a desire for something more than just sex/sex appeal. Like when women say, "What do you bring to the table besides your wallet?"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 01:24 AM
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Aren't those two statements contradictory though?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 11:36 PM
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That seems to be how you are suggesting most men view their partners in hetero relationships, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 06:15 PM
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Are women simply much more likely to give a wider selection of men a chance when they meet organically, or are dating apps self selecting for the pickiest women. (Or Both). Both. The latter explanation should be pretty obvious: the pickier you are, the longer you are going to remain on the apps instead of finding the person that is going to make you delete the apps. The former actually has some speed dating data behind it. I'll see if I can find the study but its been a while. The larger the poo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 04:55 AM
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(I think) I understand what you're saying: a lot of men wish they were like women with the # of options and desire coming from the opposite sex. But can't then envision having a brain with a lower disgust threshold and tolerance for physical safety risk. But sex can be both a desired outcome and a byproduct of a relationship. Even if you're a woman who never has casual sex and views a committed relationship as the goal, you're still going to benefit from that imbalance of desire. The privilege i…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 04:20 AM
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Lois works part time. Hal works full time. They have three boys in the house, two of which are teenagers. And the show consistently implies they fuck like rabbits offscreen. If he's not pulling his weight, its not doing any favors for the woman's sex drive is killed by the man's laziness narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 01:00 AM
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The one "test" I wouldn't necessarily disapprove of for women is to fake being violently ill for week with their live-in SO.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 12:52 AM
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You've never heard of the stripper index in macroeconomics?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 08:23 PM
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Depends on how you define pursuit. I have seen it work with guys who are fine getting rejected, not really explicitly pursue but just sort of hang around until she changes her mind and/or type of guy she's attracted to. Obviously not 100% effective and I am not recommending doing this. But the men I have seen do this were actually fine "just being friends", seemed relatively normal, and not bad looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 03:59 PM
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They are not plain. If you want to keep assuming we can both see what you think is self-evident because you don’t want to explain any further, that’s fine by me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 10:35 PM
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Nope, you never made any connections between agreeableness and dominance/hierarchy formation. Don’t blame me for being exhausted after you got backed into a corner and had to pivot to “Big 5”.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 05:00 PM
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Yes, often coming from women. The steelman of the opposing position generally rests on the supposed predisposition of women towards demisexuality. As in, once there is a strong emotional connection, the sexual attraction can also be very strong regardless of how physically attracted she initially was.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 05:41 PM
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Big 5 isn’t moral. Then we agree It is what it is. Women over-index on agreeableness. We also agree, but that's not the point of contention. Am I exhausting you?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 05:31 PM
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Can you understand that lots of young men don't have the best conversation skills? Yes...? My dispute is over the actual # of "lots of single men". That's not downplaying the issue, that's suggesting that there may be a bit of a Pareto principle at play. If lots of women have the experience of going on a date with a man who can't hold a conversation or only talks about himself then lots of women are having that experience. Women would be the "effect group". Consider that there may not be a 1:1 e…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 07:42 PM
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I'm not ignoring that it happens. I even stated in my first comment that it seems to happen enough for many women to claim having a common experience. What I am doubting is its commonality among individual men and the general blaming of men's failures into these neat little explanations. Its the same condescending attitude behind, "Oh, you're struggling with dating? Have you tried taking a shower?"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 07:17 PM
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I can’t debate you because you’re more mad at stats and reality than me. And you can claim I'm mad to avoid debating me all you want. I'm disagreeing with your warping of stats and studies to fit this weird "women are morally superior to men" belief you seem to have. Big 5 results show that women over-index on “agreeableness” aka cooperativeness. There's no moral angle to Big 5 though. All traits have some evolutionary advantage to them. Rating lower in "agreeableness" or cooperativeness doesn’t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 07:11 PM
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Because if the reason women don't date men Pump the brakes. The reason some women don’t date men (like, at all) is a separate issue from why women who do date men choose not to go on a second date, which could be for a whole variety of reasons. I don’t know why we have to zero in on just one explanation. Of course looks are going to matter the most, but you need to take women on this sub’s authoritative claims about why men suck at dating with a massive grain of salt. Most of them see themselves…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 06:50 PM
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But if a dude can't hold a conversation that's a good reason for not wanting to date him again. Gotcha. I never said there wasn't a good reason. You don't have to go to convoluted ideas here. How are the alternate reasons I gave convoluted? A woman not feeling any chemistry with a guy for seemingly no reason is convoluted? That shit happens all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 06:16 PM
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Correct and there is nothing wrong with that. But its not always a conversational/social skill threshold that isn't being met. Its always going to feel better to blame the guy for something he did wrong rather than just not being very attracted to the way the guy is in person.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 05:50 PM
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Its survivorship bias. Or whatever the opposite of that is? You see it similarly with men that "get sexual too early" or "have bad hygiene". Somehow there is an epidemic of men failing on some easily correctible metric to further prove that "the bar is in hell". And certainly these issues are frequent enough for 99% of women dating to have a common experience. But most dates or most single men doing at least one of these easily avoidable pitfalls? Color me skeptical. These are the stories that j…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 05:32 PM
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My wife is a senior lawyer highly respected in her field. I fix airconditioners and fridges. So, a working class guy "wasting away" fixing air conditioners and fridges according to u/ConstipatedAvocado?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 11:43 AM
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As I already said but I guess maybe you didn’t catch it: those are universally human tenets. That means they apply to femininity and women as well. So the tenets of femininity also overlap with conservatism too, right? Whether it’s cultural whatever you know exactly what people means when they say feminine or masculine. No I don’t. That’s why I asked. I know they’re not exactly identical and I never made that claim, but so many of the tenets you listed for masculinity also apply to femininity as…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 12:55 AM
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Women evolved too. You know that, right? They weren't just passive objects in their own evolution, they had agency. Do not deny them that. Dominance, self-centeredness, the desire to be on the top of a hierarchy, are not masculine traits. They are human ones, because they are all highly correlative with passing on the best genes to your offspring and securing the most resources to raise your offspring when there is scarcity and competition. Because they are physically weaker, women just had to g…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 06:08 PM
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No, not really. The study you linked is not trying to find the likely % of assaulters and rapists in a general population because the sample size (197 men) is way too low. What the study was trying to determine was whether hostile attitudes towards women were accurate predictors of sexual assault.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 05:47 PM
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Potentially? Yeah, we already know that. I don’t know why women (and blue-pillers such as yourself) have to concoct new ways of screaming this at our faces like they’re in a lab trying to find the cure for cancer.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 02:54 PM
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But the hypothetical “getting away with it” necessarily means not taking including deterrent factors like jail time.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 02:46 PM
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Wasn't that from a survey that asked men if they could get away with rape (or commit-rape-but-not-actually-call-it-rape in the posed question) would they? The question is posing a hypothetical, not, "have you actually committed rape?"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 07:20 AM
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You're not really accounting for repeat offenders though, who are probably doing most of the raping.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 07:15 AM
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But both masculinity and Conservatism are culturally defined. You're going to need to be more specific than just Conservatism. Or do you really mean "domination" or attraction to systems with strict hierarchies?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:59 AM
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Ok… which would be cultural influences you can reprogram. When you mean atavistic, are you talking about the patriarchy or testosterone and XY chromosomes?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 06:55 PM
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You think “political polarization” is the root. Not really…? I mean we can go even further upstream and talk about online radicalization but that would be too off topic I think the baseline differences are more atavistic than that. There would be no way to know. Patriarchy has existed since the dawn of civilization, which is itself only a sliver of human history. Men and women are often drawn to different ideologies because those ideologies align with their attitudes and imperatives. Sorry what?…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 12:55 AM
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I don’t see any differences drastic enough and that can’t be explained by political polarization between the genders, especially young men and women. Really most of women’s complaints here are downstream of gendered political polarization. Because there are more conservative men, that is going to skew all poll results to make it look like sum total of men are more traditional and conservative. Gender is pretty much entirely correlative and not causative here. Focus on values (I.e. the “tradcon” …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 12:26 AM
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Sure thing. But I'm not going to play the game of telling you what your thesis is, only for you to tell me that I'm wrong for some minor reason or technicality. So why don't you tell me what your thesis is (i.e. your title followed by "because" and reasons/explanation) so I can address your points as directly as possible, and then we can get to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 11:44 PM
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Gotcha, so 2 questions for you: In the US and in the past 25 years, have men's share of domestic labor gone up or down? In the US and in those same past 25 years, has the fertility rate gone up or down? Any charts and studies in your replies that say that?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 11:31 PM
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You cut off your graphic right above religious service attendance 🤣 Holy shit, you guys are trying so hard to turn value/religion/lifestyle differences into something that's gender determinitive when it never has been.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 11:28 PM
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Great, my POV comes from real experience and statistical analysis. I don’t really care about what women joke about, I care about what women actually do. A higher birth rate reflects a real higher desire to have kids. What we are seeing in Scandinavian countries and now some parts of East Asian is the state acting as a “father” of sorts, offering all types of incentives like childcare and paid maternity leave. Birthrates have remained pretty much unchanged. This whole, “I would have more babies i…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 10:16 PM
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I do. The problem is that you and most of the women here are in informational bubbles.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 09:17 PM
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Funny that I only hear this response from women on reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 05:44 PM
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They're too fucking stupid to formulate a response and too fucking lazy to provide any research to refute what I'm saying. So the easiest thing to do is to call me a misandrist. Selection bias at work. Which kind of goes hand-in-hand with overall theme of this post. When I read someone make some claim that men are parasitic leeches, I don't care whether or not that person is actually a misandrist. They could be, but it doesn't matter. I just think of the "two re+ards fighting" meme and move on w…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 09:16 PM
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I pick the second one. But I would also like women to stop treating themselves as monolithic whenever the "women are happier single" topic comes up. It's like many of you are genuinely embarrassed to admit you are attracted to men and want a relationship with one.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 08:55 PM
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Two things I've been hearing women complain about lately are the passivity of men during the courtship phase and the exta mental load that is put on them by the man during the relationship phase. I'll address the second one first. Maybe women do take on more of a mental load (and maybe more than they need to, but that's a different discussion) and maybe they have dated manchildren in the past. But I think many of these women just want to be rich and comfortable, not having to worry about if the …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 08:52 PM
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Wasn't it Oprah that said if you marry for money, you end up paying for every cent of it? I mean you could marry way up and happen to find a guy that's very nice and loving. But is that likely to happen? Probably not. But people want to believe they are the exception and not the rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 08:34 PM
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That’s rough and there aren’t many betrayals worse than that. I think the single mom hate is just something some guys will push because they know it’s a soft spot and they have a chip on their shoulder. But l’ve seen enough instances of it in the real world where I know that kind of stuff happens to all types of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 09:35 PM
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You will burn out fast, your boundaries/privacy will be violated, and her friends will visibly hate you after every fight. Enjoy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 09:20 AM
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Objectively false. The relationship interest, engagement, and pursuit imbalance still heavily favors women. FWIW, this whole “conservative men wanting to date liberal women” is way overblown. I only seem to see it mentioned on TikTok, IG, and here; never in real life. Most people sort themselves into their respective dating pool’s geographically. I.e Liberals move to cities where there are more of them; conservatives stay in the suburbs or rural areas. I also have what most women here would call…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 09:07 PM
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It’s not a binary. The facts of an individual’s life don’t always match the story that individual tells themself at any given time.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 08:53 PM
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I don't think its always that simple. People look for partners, fail for whatever reason (be it bad luck, being too picky, or bad dating pool), get used to living single, and then post hoc rationalize in their heads about why they are single. If you're lying to yourself about why you are single, there's a good chance that veiled disappointment is going to surface occasionally.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 07:41 PM
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A "woman's man" is pretty much an entirely separate entity from "men".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 07:34 PM
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She was boring both intellectually and in the bedroom. I could probably be ok with a woman lacking in one or the other but not both. Maybe boring is a bit too scathing, I guess just a bit predictable and set in her ways. Only seemed to pay attention to what was going on with pop culture and reality. Didn't really have an opinion or was too concerned about the outside world.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 08:50 PM
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I don't see who is using anecdotal data except the commenter above me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 05:23 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 04:56 PM
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If anything in the woman’s case The words, "If anything" are doing a lot of heavy lifting here.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 06:42 PM
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historical context is extremely important here. We're aware of the historical context. It doesn't ultimately matter. Both the male and female archetypes are just avoidantly attached. At the end of the day, their standards/asks for a partner should just be treated with at most a "you do you, hun" and ignored with extreme prejudice. It doesn’t necessarily mean that a man cannot be a meaningful addition for her as a companion. Yes, it almost always does. The "historical context" is just a ripcord t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 05:32 PM
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Nobody has really been stigmatizing singleness except our boomer parents. And even then, the ones who have been divorced (which is a decent chunk of them) are telling us to never get married. So the messaging was mixed in my experience. So where was this stigmatizion coming from? I mean, sure, maybe if you grew up super conservative and religious? But that's not really a "patriarchal society" problem, that's a religion problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 05:59 PM
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I'm curious what others have observed. Other people or only other women?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 05:46 PM
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How recently then? I'd probably only be a bit younger than your cousins. Maybe a bit older than you. There wasn't much of a change until social media and online dating apps really took off. Generally around 2010-2014. Funny how that works 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 05:44 PM
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And when did they stop being pressured?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 04:51 PM
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If I was living in the mid 1800s, I probably would not have found women of that era attractive either.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 05:35 PM
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Complaining that women don't approach men is like complaining your lawnmower won't run when you haven't even touched the pull cord.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 04:29 PM
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I was hoping you'd be more specific. Like whether or not you endorse the concepts of AF/BB and/or dual mating strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 03:21 AM
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How does the first paragraph relate to the second paragraph?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 02:55 AM
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Skill issue at his age tbh. Jasleen isn't some kind of mastermind manipulator; red flags had to have been ignored.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 02:54 AM
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Women are interested in men courting them the same way Colonel Sanders is interested in chickens. IOW, its not for the benefit of the chickens.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 03:48 AM
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I just call it being opportunistic. Which I don't fault and, I'll admit, can be successful (although not by RedPill metrics of "success"). So while its not something I would ever do, it has worked for many a male acquaintance of mine. There are just a few key traits you need to be/have need to be at least somewhat physically attractive or average height and above need to actually have your life together (finances, living situation, hobbies, car) need to be enjoyable to hang out with and capable …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 06:13 PM
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Is it? I feel like I get more admissions from women about how feral they get when ovulating than these "lustful men" videos. And yes, of course I dont scroll away when they come up; I find them endearing and funny. Brick by brick as they say.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 04:32 PM
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Mhmm yeah keep going, I'm almost there...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 06:53 AM
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All men after reading this comment:
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 06:51 AM
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So wait is this not about romantic relationships now? You know, the thing people enter into voluntarily? The fact that pretty much most relationships in the West are entered into voluntarily is the point. I'm identifying the futility of defending against (mainly women and BluePillers) who collectively try to assign accountability and responsibility to men for their supposed collective failures in romantic relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 06:26 PM
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Care to explain?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 03:18 AM
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Yes, it completely misses the point. Being a business partner is a voluntary identity. Conversely, I didn't chose to be a man any more than you chose to be a woman. With business partners, is there any kind of history of marginalization? Oppression? Inherent potential physical danger to your body? Like if I were to say to a group of women talking about the dangers and precautions of dating men, and I said, "Yeah, so like, pretty much the same risk as going into business with a complete stranger"…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 03:17 AM
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Because it seems logically or morally inconsistent to want to take credit for all the good things your in-group did for society but accept none of the guilt for any of the bad. Especially when you just happened to be born into that in-group. It’s more logically consistent to view myself primarily as an individual that happens to be a man. It’s the same for race. I see white supremacists trying to rest their laurels on the “historic scientific accomplishments of white people” but then try to esca…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 10:55 PM
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“No” what? What do you think our disagreement is?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 10:48 PM
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Of course they would occupy different spaces. But the replacement of “men” with “business partner” kinda changes the discussion to such a degree that it misses the point entirely. The sex, gender, and heterosexual aspect of the discussion is kind of critical to the discussion because we’re talking about two demographics with different immutable biology, desires, concerns, and behavioral trends.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 10:35 PM
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Of course they would occupy different spaces. But the replacement of “men” with “business partner” kinda changes the discussion to such a degree that it misses the point entirely. The sex, gender, and heterosexual aspect of the discussion is kind of critical to the discussion because we’re talking about two demographics with different immutable biology, desires, concerns, and behavioral trends.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 10:34 PM
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All bullshit, but generally said as a rebuttal to the implication or association of the collective guilt of "men". If you go on the offense by collectively assigning guilt, don't be surprised when you are met with defensiveness via the collective claiming of some virtue/achievement.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 09:34 PM
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I'll address the rest of your comment, but first I need to ask, did you get the impression I was somehow lamenting reasonable caution or precautions women take when dealing with unknown men?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 09:28 PM
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Well the difference is that if women fail to prove their value on the individual level, they can always fall back on their collective value and still be sort of right. And again, men do enable this by having low standards and getting with shitty women. But otherwise yes, a man can be either collectively evil or individualistically/exceptionally good, depending on whatever fits the occasion or her perception. When they’re wrong about the guy, it's hypocrisy. But the style of rationalization is st…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 08:11 PM
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OK? RedPill isnt exactly logically consistent on this either. The main reason RedPill offends people is (among many reasons) it acknowledges the immoral behavior of men, rationalizes it, but also does the same to women. Not that I subscribe to the philosophy, I think its stupid for other reasons, I just included BluePillers in the title to be inclusive the white-knighty men that always side with women on every issue I would also like to point out that women are often seen as a detriment to a man…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 08:06 PM
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You can never know for sure because it depends on someone's intentions. So when I'm not taking a comment at face value (i.e. that these women actually hate all men), then I am necessarily assuming there must be some humorous/ironic intent behind it. And FWIW, I do believe humor can be misogynist/misandrist and still be funny. I see this quite frequently on IG reels where a woman is clearly being ironic/sarcastic and there are men in the comments losing their shit. At least, that was kind of how …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 03:38 PM
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So what benchmark are you using to determine if a sentence or comment is misogynistic?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 02:31 PM
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According to most women, most of it sucks. That’s what I’m basing my opinion on.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 08:35 PM
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Yeah, better to just assume women hate going on dates (at least most of the time).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 06:30 PM
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The post will get written off because NotAllWomen but yes, this is a problematic behavior that tends to happen more often with women than with men. Really, when anyone in an argument says "but I just feel that..." let them talk but if their feelings =/= reality & facts, you have to be able to recognize that, because this is a super common abuse/manipulation tactic. It's not just about validation at that point; they're trying to obscure or dodge accountability, or accuse you of not caring about t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 02:41 AM
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I think satisfied is kind of a low bar though. I've been satisfied after having casual sex w/ someone I was seeing on the regular, and still became gradually distant to the point of not wanting to have sex with this person anymore. And if I'm being honest, its because the novelty of a new sex partner was obscuring how physically attracted to her I was (which was not very much). Eventually that novelty wears off.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 03:13 AM
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Yeah, I would be annoyed or at the very least weirded out, especially coming from a complete stranger. Does this still happen often? I feel like the cultural disapproval of “telling women to smile” has been in the zeitgeist for more than 15 years at this point. Probably old creepy dudes saying it far out of earshot of anyone else if it does still happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 06:46 PM
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You mean we should lock up violently mentally ill people? Uhhh... your terms are acceptable lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 01:17 PM
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It's not about how easily they part with money, its about the parasociality. If this were true, wouldn't the average john be murdering prostitutes way more? Or men that regularly blow hundreds on private lap dances in strip clubs? Now these men might have other issues going on, but the transactional nature of these encounters is more explicit and known to both parties. I'd imagine the psychos that murder and stalk women streamers do so out of a sense of entitled betrayal. As in, they are owed a …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 01:13 PM
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There is overlap between the performative male discussion and the lovebombing/manipulation/fuckboy discussion. And I think in many of these cases, the men are lying to themselves. They'll go fucking balls to the wall with expensive dinners, trips, and dates, exhaust themselves and then start pulling back because they built up this image of the woman in their heads that was never really there. And then the woman will feel deceived/manipulated (because they probably already had sex at this point) …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 12:59 AM
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No, that's your own individual reaction towards men who do/do not fit your type. The "binary-ness" of your attraction is abnormal, even among women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 04:33 PM
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The issue isn't even that you have a type that looks like that. What is weird and abnormal for you is that all other men who don't fit that type are "barely attractive"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 04:01 PM
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I had to look this guy up. That's your type? Long haired, goth looking, asian men? I'm pretty sure if I showed his picture to the women I know IRL, 95%+ would find him weird looking or average.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 02:35 PM
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How does anyone know about the relationship status of anyone at the gym? Maybe the guys she wants to approach already have girlfriends (or boyfriends).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 05:30 AM
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The problematic left is mostly contained to Twitter and universities. They are more concerned with endlessly critiquing power instead of seizing it. The problematic right, on the other hand, controls 2/3 branches of government and refuses to acknowledge it's a personality cult of Trump. Pretty obvious which one is worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 09:38 PM
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Republicans: pump as much content propagandizing men to believe Democrats insult men, blame men for all the world’s problems, make misandry mainstream, shame men for things they cannot control/are born with.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 09:34 PM
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2024 election season was already too late. Nothing she or the Democratic party could have done.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 09:30 PM
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I’ve never really seen or heard very many women “gush” over them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 08:28 PM
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Nah, penises are just kinda weird and funny. Them talking about it is not the same as them wanting it inside them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 08:19 PM
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Big penises have always been a bit of a spectacle for women. But don’t confuse that for them wanting those big penises inside them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 05:19 PM
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Generally speaking, I don't think they're very high or that bad. Women are far more at risk of serious injury and death when they have very low standards vs unrealistic high ones. But I don't agree women are single long-term primarily due to the men around them not meeting their standards. I also see women on here try to blame the higher rates of women's singleness on the quality of men, which I don't believe is particularly accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 08:44 PM
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Why does there need to be an excuse to say no? There's a difference between a man accepting a rejection (pre or post date) in a real life scenario vs inviting discussion and analyzing the reasons why and how a woman (or women as a general trend) would be rejecting a guy. The latter doesn't necessarily make it the rejecting woman's problem, but it is annoying when people still feel the need to inject their presumptuous public service announcements into these conversations. Women wonder why they g…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 03:53 PM
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Is the incel in the room with us right now?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 07:47 AM
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you’d call it oppression. As I already said, no I wouldn't. I hold the same standards for any type of disparity I come across; the disparity has to be thoroughly investigated before coming to any sort of conclusion. You are welcome to browse my comment history. I don't think you will find any instances of me playing the victim card on behalf of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 07:39 AM
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No study can accurately control for the types of jobs where salaries are negotiated. And just because there is a 5% unaccounted for difference doesn't necessarily mean all or some of that 5% is due to "systemic" reasons (And I'm sure we could have a lively debate about what "systemic" even means). but if men and women were switched, they’d scream injustice. Look, what matters is consistency in how you react to disparities. Many cities across the US already have professional women outearning thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 07:28 AM
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Seems weird to assume anyone with an irrational jealously/hatred of another group has the capacity for introspection to accurately explain why they feel that way. You'd probably get a lot further asking former men who had these thoughts why they felt that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 07:14 AM
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Men = animals. Your dog whistle is actually a foghorn.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 09:24 PM
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Women are more likely to engage in social aggression as opposed to the more obvious physical aggression that would be typical of men. So are women behaving animalistically when they gossip?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 06:52 PM
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But over-indexing on aggression, dominance, and hyper-sexuality tends to be what most people think of when they think of “animalistic.” Dafuq? Your link doesn't say "that's what most people think". You're saying that. Your AI friend also lists a bunch of positive male typical traits. So only the negative ones are "animalistic"? And describing something or someone as animalistic would be... bad, right? I know it’s not what you’ve considered. But it is something that’s a reality that you should co…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 04:56 PM
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Males are more susceptible to impulses females can’t relate to. I'm just confused on why you had to include the word "animalistic". Do women have any animalistic impulses or are men just more animalistic due to poorer self-regulation of those impulses? Males are more susceptible to impulses females can’t relate to. What impulses? Women don't get horny? But I think accepting “boys will be boys” when said things they are being is assholes to or harmful to others is exactly the lack of “mutual empa…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 03:54 PM
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Testosterone doesn't make us have "animalistic impulses"; it affects impulse control (among a great many other things as well). But even the gendered differences in impulse control are exaggerated. The difference is definitely there, but not massive. I don't think digging into the amount of empathy being taught in Conservative vs Liberal households is going to yield much. What drives young men to perform unspeakable acts of violence is something deeper. I will hypothesize myself however, that ri…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 03:38 PM
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Those types of movies are kinda long past their expiration date, as evidenced by the fact that Hollywood doesn’t really make a lot of them anymore. The last one I remember was Long Shot with Seth Rogen, which itself was kind of a meta-commentary on the “ugly guy gets the hot girl” trope but even then it underperformed. I was a teenager when these movies were still popular and even then I could see the trope for what it was and thought it was dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 10:43 PM
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People need to start taking some more responsibility for what is making them angry and bitter. Of course everyone accrues some level of emotional baggage as they age, and some allowance should be made for learning, but the romantic areas of your life are something you have a high amount of agency with. I could make the same post with a gender reversed title and people would immediately assume the guys’ baggage is because they were only focused on sex and went after superficial women. It’s no dif…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 04:30 PM
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There are romcoms and then there are comedies with romance plots/subplots. The former is for women and the latter is for men. And if the movie has Adam Sandler, Kevin James, or any other meh or overweight looking male lead, it’s probably the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 03:49 PM
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Was there any ideology they were embedded in to begin with? I would argue no, at least not for those Gen Z men who are now changing their minds about Trump and Republicans. Most people don't engage very seriously with politics, and when they do, its usually surface level, culture war bullshit you can easily manipulate people with. Obviously, the political ultra-left is mega-regarded, but the right has turned the outrage-farming of said mega-regarded takes into an entire media industry so they ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 04:48 PM
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Well, the two options in your title aren't mutually exclusive. But I think men of all backgrounds would appreciate the restaurants they take their dates to were less expensive. But this isn't really a question about money. Money spent on dates is just a proxy for TEA. That is, time, energy, and attention. And while I can understand why women expect more upfront TEA from men in the beginning stages of dating, I just don't think it works very well when contextualized within what we now call "moder…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 03:41 AM
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It really doesnt matter how restrictive they are unless they go full Taliban (never go full Taliban) and start imposing (or permitting) cultural practices that affect a women's marriage and what goes on in the bedroom. The regime's morality police main concern right now only extends to how a woman dresses, and even that's being openly defied in most urban centers. Ultra-orthodox Jewish women in Israel are legally permitted to pursue education to whatever extent they want. They just dont due to c…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 03:55 PM
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Iran isn't really that Islamic or conservative as people think it is. Most young Iranian women of childbearing age today hate the regime and are less likely to identify with the type of fundamentalist Islam that sees women as breeders. As far as middle eastern countries go its a bit of an outlier, and doesn't change the fact that the parent cause of fertility is probably more inextricably linked to religion and culture. Women's education is just downstream of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 02:11 PM
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Eh, I'd say better than average, actually. At least in my experience. It is my opinion, based on what I've heard about the intra-gender dynamics of women from other women, that prettier women face increased behavioral scrutiny from their peers and friends. So they often overcompensate by being overly kind, agreeable, and/or generous.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 03:23 AM
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You're still missing the point though. "Access" isn't freely given, it is sought after.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 04:07 PM
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She’s taking about men not having sex and hating women for that. She mentioned mass shooters prior to it, so she’s not talking about just any struggling guy. She’s also saying it’s “nature’s way” to weed out men who fail to adapt. That's just a weird rhetorical pivot though if you want to limit your message only to men that lack success and hate women for it. Since presumably, a lot of men people lack success or simply choose not to have children (ergo lacking "success" in the strict evolutionar…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 04:51 PM
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Then why wouldn't it be more infuriating to you when they win politically?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 04:34 AM
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But how would you know the wealthy minority isn't psy-op-ing you to be more infuriated at the Shaniquas and Karens of the world so you either vote for them or are too distracted while they're picking your pocket?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 04:30 AM
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So feeling isolated is a less extreme version of feeling lonely?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 04:31 PM
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Sure, in the same way that drinking water is not identical to feeling less thirsty.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 03:57 PM
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The first article you posted says felt loneliness is roughly the same between men and women. So women feel less isolated and disconnected than men but equally as lonely?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 03:45 PM
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But what's bringing women down to roughly the same levels of felt loneliness as men?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 03:38 PM
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I’ve been on (and am currently on) antidepressants and they don’t make you completely lose your libido. Greatly reduce and make it harder to achieve orgasm, yes, but not completely eliminate it. And they do lower your overall drive in life though. The fields of psychiatry and therapy also doesn’t recommend being on them long term either. They exist primarily to keep you from offing yourself while the underlying causes of your depression are being treated.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 07:47 PM
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Vetting is fine. Criminal background checks are fine and probably necessary. Preselection is fine. But there are a wide set of strategies that vary in terms of effectiveness. Are We Dating The Same Guy groups are effectively a modern, digitized version of preselection that attempts to do what social groups (tribes) have done since the dawn of time. Their existence is inevitable in a world with online dating, but their effectiveness highly depends where on the "just-looking-out-for-women's-safety…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 08:02 PM
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Vetting is fine. Criminal background checks are fine and probably necessary. Preselection is fine. But there are a wide set of strategies that vary in terms of effectiveness. Are We Dating The Same Guy groups are effectively a modern, digitized version of preselection that attempts to do what social groups (tribes) have done since the dawn of time. Their existence is inevitable in a world with online dating, but their effectiveness highly depends where on the "just-looking-out-for-women's-safety…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 05:01 PM
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No, I think even most (emphasis on most) lonely guys would exit the relationship stage left whenever the woman is putting his and others' lives in danger that blatantly. The incident just seems so atypical that it seems impossible to extrapolate to lonely guys or gender. The type of behavior lonely men are putting up with is usually some level of emotional abuse and manipulation. Which there probably was a hefty amount of in the relationship before this incident occurred.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 02:24 AM
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That’s not being a bitch. Why are we acquiescing to unreasonable people’s misappropriations of terms? Some gatekeeping of terminology would actually do some good.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 04:50 PM
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I was always kind of undecided about having kids, but the characterization of men as these parasitic facehuggers a la the Alien movies kinda pushed me in the position of being childless a lot faster. I probably would've gotten there anyway with enough time because there are enough other personal justifications I can think of for not having children as well, so it's not something I mourn that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 12:14 AM
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Both are cringe and wrong. At least I’m consistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 11:31 PM
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And what led you to believe that considering the absence of the terms feminist and feminism in my entire comment?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 11:30 PM
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You believe my last question was directed at all people who call themselves feminists?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 06:31 PM
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I don't believe feminism is simplistic and I never asserted that in my comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 05:53 PM
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The problem is that you are inevitably going to run into the "and who set that system up?" & "patriarchy hurts men too" narratives. What men who get pulled into these struggle sessions over "who is to blame" or "who is more privileged", need to be aware of is that there is an unrecognized fusion happening between the "gender" and the "political". And more often, it's the political side of the debate that is poisoning the discourse. The fact that most people could probably guess the political bel…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 04:28 PM
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No I see it as both.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 03:08 PM
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No, they're stroking their own ego, not his. Its a form of self-valuation by proxy. Leaders are uncommon. Exceptional even. So the women those male leaders choose for monogamous relationships must also be some form of exceptional. It works whether they are in a relationship or single, because they can either brag about being picked by some "high-value" guy or about how their standards are "so high".
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 12:11 AM
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Define "exactly". Define "how". Define "debate".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 10:37 PM
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Capitalism is the economic manifestation of clasical liberalism. It exists as a phenomenon (not as a prescriptive theory for how the world ought to be), when people are allowed to engage in voluntary exchange and organize economic resources freely.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 04:24 PM
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Do these concepts truly mean nothing to you? No, I just have different definitions/understandings for all of these terms than a typical leftist. And I'm not even just talking about the plain dictionary definitions of these terms; I'm talking about the emotional baggage & scope of these terms. The fact that I don't understand capitalism to be an ontologically evil system of oppression and exploitation means conversation with most leftists is going to, in most cases, be futile. Either because not …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 07:00 AM
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What is Maslow's hammer?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 06:30 AM
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I'm not wasting my precious time getting into your fucking nonsense. Because you know you've lost lol. You went nuclear because you thought me calling some feminists far left was the same as calling the entire movement far left. And now after you've been BTFO, you're retreating 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 04:59 PM
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I'm not wasting my precious time getting into your fucking nonsense. Because you know you've lost lol. You went nuclear because you thought me calling some feminists far left was the same as calling the entire movement far left. And now after you've been BTFO, you're retreating 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 04:59 PM
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before going on to highlight one small section of what I wrote that... Oof took the bait. I said we could go piece by piece. Did you miss that part or does your reading comprehension just suck. just asks you to explain lumping 'the Far Left' in with Feminism... Feminists of the far left-wing persuasion is not the same as connecting an entire movement with the far-left. That you would make such a leap highlights your own lack of critical thinking and inability to approach subjects with context an…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 03:52 PM
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Too lazy for a detailed response or just too dumb?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 06:37 PM
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So there’s a lot of mischaracterization of what I said, so let’s go in order, piece by piece. so how does that make Feminism (which is popular with Neoliberal Capitalism, as evidence by how much Corporations - which are Capitalist entities - embrace gleefully, at least on paper) 'the same'. The same as what? What is it that you think I am equating the movement of Feminism to? The far left?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 04:47 PM
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Thanks for the in depth explanation and well thought out response. Have a similarly well earned downvote.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 10:16 PM
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Except of course that the 'systemic' nature of the Patriarchy as described... is just saying 'men did this to themselves' but with extra steps. I think there is an element of mean-spiritedness to it but I also think a lot of this rhetoric is coming from feminists of the… very far-left wing persuasion. “Patriarchy” is seen as one of the totalizing causes for all the world’s problems. Alongside “white supremacy” and “capitalism”, it occupies the unholy trinity for leftists. I don’t think they’re t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 07:04 PM
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Rarely, if at all. But the reverse of liberal women dating right wing men also doesn't happen much either. Regardless of gender, you can generally get a feel for one's politics pretty early based on how they talk about various topics and their standards for the opposite gender. If you're months into dating someone and feel you're "getting blindsided" by their politics, you're probably either lying to yourself or not asking the right questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 04:31 PM
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Ah yes, the fact that women carry more risk from having sex and may have mentally evolved to adapt to that fact. What a radical evo psych talking point lol If women were naturally asexual 90% of the time compared to men as u suggest, Lol where did I suggest that? Just another male interest disguised as something else, men are the ones obsessed w female chasiltity, nice try tho 😹. Nice try doing what...?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 10:33 AM
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Uh... I'm not saying women's brains are wired that differently than men's. With respect to sexuality though, there are some pretty key differences that even you seem to acknowledge in your OP. What I would say is that my brain is wired much better than yours (regardless of our respective genders) because only a complete fucking retard would be so stupid as to have such a bad-faith interpretation of what I said and excrete it as confidently as you just did.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 04:57 AM
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Why are we assuming we all think women's decisions are irrational? And how come we'd be waking up in female bodies but not female brains? They both evolved alongside each other for reasons that make a lot of sense if you think about it. I.e. if we'd carry the same bodily risks women do WRT pregnancy and STDs, we'd probably understand that and be a lot more qualifiers attached to who we have sex with. And that's not even getting into libido. We'd only be getting to levels of horny approaching a m…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 04:33 AM
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I think this is why Keira is a “slut shamer” and opposed to high body counts because she views that as women exhausting their social power over men all the while she is still bewitched by the illusion that women can use their sexuality to acquire authentic relationships when you just get simps and sugar daddies. Unironically, this is the vast majority of Gen Z "guru girlies" who preach about manifestation and "divine femininity". Also, probably why thewizardliz is in the position she's is now, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 08:01 PM
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these men Who are "these men"?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 04:59 AM
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We just don’t find it painful and difficult to talk to people and have interest in them The implication being this is what you incorrectly believe I am saying? Also, is anyone you talk to and have interest in is your friend?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 01:12 AM
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Of course it isn't. Because the power imbalance generally favors women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 12:51 AM
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I don't believe they are inherently better, just easier to maintain and form. Opposite gender friendships have some benefits too (most that I see mentioned here are vastly over-exaggerated and paint women with too broad of a brush), and I think the potential for camaraderie is about the same. But the trust deficit you're starting off with as a guy just makes it really hard to pull off without it coming off as forced or like you have nefarious intentions. And if you're a single dude, that trust d…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 12:32 AM
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It's not that I don't see the point, it’s that I don't see why most women would even want a platonic male friend in the first place. If you have a finite amount of time and energy to invest in building and maintaining a friendship, why would a woman choose to build that friendship with a man over woman? Doesn't almost every woman complain about men trying to pretend to be their friend to get in their pants or falling in love with them? Aren't there topics related to sex and womanhood women would…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 10:23 PM
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Ironic that the title of the post is making almost exactly the same point I'm making to you, right now. And its still flying waaay over your head.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 09:05 PM
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PPD debate Purple Pill Debate debate? Lol I wasn't aware PPD stood for den of misogynist men... Its a debate sub. If people have views I disagree with, then I'll address them on an individualized case by case basis. Maybe throw in a little, "what did you mean by xyz?" from time to time. Is your vision of debate just assuming someone's positions based on their presence in a community and gender they identify as? See, I tend to interpret subreddit titles the same way I do phrases such as lonely me…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 07:40 PM
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If you base your definition on terpers in this sub, yeah. Yep. Wow, how retarded would you have to be to do that? For that to be your primary definition of the term? 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 07:08 PM
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Yeah, men never do define "just world fantasy I just did define it. Would you now define what a "lonely man" is? Because here I am thinking it was just a man that was lonely. That isn't a just world fallacy, that's rejecting men who don't share their values and interests. So lonely men = men who are jerks who regard women as less than, as accessories, as sexy children ? Did I get that right?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 03:42 PM
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Define Just World Fantasy, A cognitive bias that causes one to believe the world is fair and people get what they deserve. while I give examples of how men defy it You mean your cherry-picked examples that reinforce the very bias you're denying to have? This should be interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 03:02 PM
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Holy Just World Fallacy Batman
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 02:47 PM
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Yes. But it's not a trick that just any guy can pull in the early phases of dating. She has to be very physically attracted to him first, and a certain subset of men are really good at detecting that attraction and exploiting it. So if you're a woman, try not to get too coomer-brained (limerance) if there's a guy you're attracted to going waaay over the top with all these performative displays and declarations. Slow down. Be a little suspicious.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 09:44 AM
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Do you think women think this way? Yes. I’d say you‘re being a (male) pick me Because I believe in men having agency and choosing their own destiny? Even if women did care/shame that lifestyle, I'd still advocate for men choosing to live however they want. I am merely saying men should support each other and not be indifferent or tear each other down. What's wrong with being indifferent?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 07:27 AM
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Plus, “unpleasant experience” might be borderline rape-y if consent wasn’t clear or was ignored. Probably going to get posted on badwomensanatomy but I genuinely don't think there is that big of a neurological/psychological difference in terms of the stress response between a rape and a consensual unpleasant sexual experience for women; only a difference in severity. So as an example, there probably exists an arbitrary # of times a wife who isn't attracted to her husband will have sex with him b…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 04:35 PM
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Its less about the value of the person and more about how the type of attention is valued or perceived. Sex is one type of attention, but the relative "value" of male sexual attention is low because it is abundant and freely given to most women. OTOH, long-term emotional investment is quite valued from a man she is physically attracted to. Now are there any women out there that don't know or haven't internalized this? Probably, but they are the exception, not the rule. The issue is sex doesn't h…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 04:07 PM
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You make it sound like I'm claiming being Hikikomori is this horrible existence. I guess it can be (we've all seen the pictures of single mattresses with piss bottles laying around it) but it doesn't have to be. As long as these men aren't bothering women, who cares?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 01:05 PM
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I probably could not differentiate between 28 and 32 year olds in a lineup with any degree of accuracy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 04:55 PM
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Different game on the left, different rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 04:39 PM
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I don't think anyone was particularly enthusiastic about Kamala/Biden running. Like even I hate the average lefty you'll find on reddit, but the choice was still obvious to me. The "rules" are that humans have a tendency to be dopamine junkies with the attention span of a goldfish when it comes to political policy. And unfortunately for all of us, that trait is overrepresented on the right, where they'd rather jerk off to "Ben Shapiro OWNS dumb college lib!" videos than think hard about how Trum…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 02:59 PM
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Why are you giving Trump points for appealing to the most retarded elements of the GOP base? That's all it is. It's like oh trump voters are racist blah blah but have you seen the guy work the crowd? he knows what he is doing during campaigning. Hitler and Goebbels knew how to work the crowd too. What's your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 02:35 PM
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There was never much of a war to begin with. But the retards trying to elect Trump needed there to be one and exaggerated it's severity to great effect on social media.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 02:19 PM
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I mean, I learned pretty early on that hyperbole isn’t necessarily bad faith. In casual/colloquial contexts, most people can intuit saying something “never happens” is functionally the same as saying something happens so rarely/infrequently as to not merit giving any serious weight to the topic. The fact that everyone can see this except for you who believes that their one example is this fantastic “own” against the original commenter betrays some level of social retardation on your part. And I …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 05:37 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 05:22 PM
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Welp, there you go. One person said it. Case closed.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 05:14 PM
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Its the aspiration to be a housespouse that will always be stigmatized differently depending on the gender, and its not something I see being eliminated anytime soon. The low-hanging fruit of the bangmaid narrative is just too irresistible as a dig on men. Its not that it never happens, its just that it will have a pygmalion effect of reinforcing men as the domestically incompetent gender, and women will continue to shape their dating preferences around that fact without scrutinizing the example…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 01:55 AM
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Most men don’t think like this either. But instances of either a man or a woman having a pattern of negative experiences with the opposite gender seem plausible, at least to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 12:21 AM
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I doubt you would be expressing doubt if the genders were reversed. It’s funny how claimed instances of real-life men behaving badly & radicalizing women need to be taken at face value but the opposite has to be scrutinized.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 11:17 PM
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“Women can do no wrong”
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 07:03 PM
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The other thing about speed dating that is awkward (granted, I've never done it, but I'm familiar with it) is that you are still forced to engage with people you are utterly repulsed by. Damn, that just reminded me of a speed dating story I saw on here one time. At the event, the men were stationary and the women roatated. Apparently, one of the guys seated 5 tables down from the male OP in the round robin had horrifically bad body odor. Didn't understand why almost all the women came off as cra…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 08:21 PM
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Men probably experience loneliness at slightly higher rates and for often times different reasons than women do. Some of the causes may be self-inflicted, some are societal, and making observations towards which causes of feelings are predisposed towards men aren't without their merits. But the problem is that the very term "male loneliness" has now been high-jacked and weaponized to the point where what was once a simple term now has all this additional baggage. Its like the term incel. It does…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 06:30 PM
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-50 if he doesnt pay. No points deducted (-0) if he does.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 03:44 PM
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And what power would that be? This hatred you think exists is endemic to most of the male population?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 03:45 AM
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The line between "pursuing a man" and "making yourself open to be approached" is blurry, but that's ultimately where the compromise is between genders when it comes to approaching.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 08:59 PM
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This is why whenever men here tell me to approach men myself, I cannot image why they would ever tell me to do that. A passive man is non-sexual to me. I am not attracted to them. In fact I am actively unattracted to that. As a man, my assumption has always been that this thought process is actually quite typical for women. And I kinda want to steal this comment the next time a man on here tries to convince more women to approach men more. It's just not going to happen. In order for an approach …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 07:19 PM
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old women, fat women, ugly women, boss women, women that have their own minds Men hate all these types of women...?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 06:54 PM
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"Plenty of women" also sleep with cocaine dealers. Trashy people exist. More news at 11.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 01:35 AM
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Its the same rigamarole as whenever someone has to mention their local drug dealer gets a lot of pussy. Its just trashy people having sex and getting into relationships with other trashy people. I don't doubt these people exist, it's just mentioning it is pointless. Why would any self-respecting person want that?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 01:34 AM
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This honestly sounds ridiculous and like cope. Your value is directly affected by your social standing. If every woman in your city thinks you're a disloyal cheat, that isn't going to help you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 11:12 PM
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Quite a lot of risk in poonhoundary. Especially now with all the AWDTSG Facebook pages. If you get caught, every woman in your city knows you're a cheater now.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 08:58 PM
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Society became liberalized as a result of an generationally outsized, mostly liberal baby boomer cohort. No. Baby boomers vote slightly more conservative. and being replaced by a much more desperate male cohort. Political polling of online incel groups does not show a majority of them being conservative. Globalism ensured the destruction of nationalism and American male labor. It was mainly technology. Nobody wants to work in a factory anyway. We need to stop romanticizing manufacturing jobs bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 09:22 PM
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History is full of examples of women the RedPill would consider "post-wall" getting some: Joséphine de Beauharnais, wife of Emperor Napoleon. Single mom of 2 kids from her previous marriage when she first met him. She was also 6 years older than him. Cleopatra. Met Mark Antony at 28 after having already (allegedly) giving birth to his political rival, Julius Caesar's, child. She went on to have 3 more children with Mark Antony until she committed suicide at 39. Martha Washington. Also 28 years o…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 05:25 AM
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I would also ask the women over in those subs if they find men their age attractive. I'm sure 100% of them don't find most men their age attractive, but this is basically a truism of women at any age.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 04:39 AM
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don't produce satisfactory life outcomes ✅️ prosperity is dwindling with each passing year ✅️ The west doesn't have that. The US definitely doesn't. I can't speak for the rest of the West, but the US has 2 out of 3 of those. The only thing I'll concede on is the reduced social pressure of conformity; but the opposite of that, this hyperindependence that our culture is obsessed with, has its own unique way of accelerating loneliness. Americans like to shoot and blow shit up when they don't like t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 04:36 AM
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Honestly, the most common response you'll get out of unsuccessful men is apathy. And we'll never quite know the scale of it, since apathetic men don't feel all that compelled to vent or rant about it. They just live as NPCs contentedly consuming their video games and porn until they don't exist. I think our future looks a lot more like Japan/SK with it's Hikikomori problem, than any sort of scenario where an unacceptably high % of men are hostile towards women. But there's always enough crazy on…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 12:07 AM
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The "wall" doesn't even exist as OP and much of the RedPill describe. All OP needs to do is visit the dating over 30 or 40 sub and ask the women there if they are struggling with finding men that are physically attracted to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 10:35 PM
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Nothing of value is lost by you leaving/opting out. See ya 👋👋👋
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 10:05 PM
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Because a person's sexuality and how masculine/feminine a person is, is not the same. There is no connection. Do you assume lesbians are more masculine than straight women?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 04:01 PM
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By itself, in a vacuum, it isn't a problem. But if the person that has unrealistically high standards, there's a high degree of probability they are entitled and insufferable. I've noticed many of the women and BPers here don't struggle to understand this when it is a man having high standards and struggling to find someone. That type of man is generally characterized as a basement dweller, porn-addict, manosphere content consuming slob who demands a virgin tradcon wife with DDs. We make these c…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 03:41 PM
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What radicalizes white people towards white supremacy more? Getting beat up by a minority group repeatedly or frequenting the Stormfront website? Nothing exists in a vacuum.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 01:17 AM
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Simps and white knights are performative. When the those accusations are being thrown around in these spaces, it's not to mock the "caring of women", it's to mock their alleged inauthenticity. Like the term "pick-me", it's been abused and overused because it gets thrown at anyone perceived to be a "traitor" to their own gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 01:14 AM
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Negative experiences from online dating drive men into the manosphere. It’s not really one or the other if one kinda causes the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 03:47 PM
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The problem with your question is that "actual dating experience" happens both online and in the real world. And the online dating sphere is more radicalizing to young men than anything within the manosphere and it's not even close.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 03:00 PM
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Thinking Ape?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 09:33 PM
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This conversation occupies the same useless mental real estate in my head as the debates over whether Margot Robbie is attractive. Why are women still giving so much attention to what random men say online about what is and isn't attractive? The louder the voice, the more unhinged the opinion. The difference in success the first body type is going to have over the other is miniscule. Just have an attractive face and look like you're strong and you're good.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 05:03 PM
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I thought those are pretty much the same requirements for most women. Not unreasonable IMO, but how could there be a loneliness crisis if women apparently have all these deep intimate connections with other women. What does she want a man for? 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 08:23 PM
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Are we assuming most of these women are willing to date down in terms of income?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 03:42 PM
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It's fine, happened a long time ago. She was actually a bit worse than my dad when it came to strict parenting. We probably wouldn't have gotten along if she was still alive.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 11:02 PM
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Be physically attracted to him Have all necessary adulting skills that involve taking care of oneself and a household. Sexually and financially disciplined Be curious Similar political beliefs/ideals Be content in a career with some upward mobility. Higher and more specific standards are also fine if she wants kids. A baseline minimum sociability so he can get along with friends and family. I'm sure there are more, but those are the big ones I see often and I don't find them unreasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 09:06 PM
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Not too up to date on the Simpsons since my parents ironically wouldn't let me watch it for being too crude. Just kinda familiar with the characters and general premise based on what I've heard and few episodes I've seen. He’s built like a pornstar with near superhuman strength, and became a lot more assertive after the death of his wife. Can't say the same for my dad.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 05:32 PM
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If you’ve lived under very sheltered parents, it’s not hard to see this type of outcome being plausible in men. I grew up very sheltered. My dad was a real ‘Ned Flanders’ type guy. Kind and generous on the outside but very much a naive simp when it came to women. His only concept of “what women wanted” from a man was kindness, purity, and godliness. He didn’t care much for talking about any type of sex and relationships that happened outside the bounds of his brand of evangelical Christianity he…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 04:48 PM
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See, but I would consider Tom Hardy bisexual if he identified that way. He doesn't seem identify that way currently. I'm paraphrasing him but he's said he has had sex with men but "those days are behind him". but at the end of the day, how the hell would you ever prove it? If someone tells you who they are/what their sexual orientation is, might as well just believe them. You can't. The reaction I'm going to have depends on the context. If an individual person just told me they were bisexual, th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 04:45 PM
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It depends on how they want to identify. I've also met women that were married to men in the past and self ID as lesbian. I don't believe these women would like it if I were to imply they are wrong about how they chose to identify and were, in fact, bisexual because they were married to men in the past. Just because a person had the emotional capacity to develop romantic connections with a certain gender in the past does not mean that capacity will remain constant in perpetuity. The LGBT communi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 04:39 PM
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That's not really what I'm suggesting. If women have been romantically and sexually involved with both males and females, then they do fit that definition, at least up until the point they may change their preferences and decide they want to be involved exclusively with other women or exclusively with men, which would make them lesbians or straight women respectively. As an example, I wouldn't consider Tom Hardy, who's married to a woman and has fathered 3 children, a bisexual man, even though h…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 06:34 AM
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Bisexuality is romantic attraction, sexual attraction, or sexual behavior toward both males and females.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 05:42 AM
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No it didn't. OP either didn't read or understand the study. It's just measuring in-group/out-group bias and gender attitudes. As I have been reliably informed by feminists, a man liking women more than men because they can provide him with sex does not mean he is a feminist. You can be a misogynist because you are constantly denied sex from women and believe you are entitled to it. But you can also be a misogynist because you've had a lot of sex and that's all you see women being good for.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 04:07 AM
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If expressing skepticism over the trend of more young women self-IDing as bisexual is biphobic, so be it. Lesbians were the first to point it out, and it hurts them more than it will ever hurt me.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 11:26 PM
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young women reporting that they are bisexual Read: young women that are attracted to men and aren't happy about it. The number of young women reporting to be bisexual doesn't indicate much. As with any person's stated preferences, look at their actions, not their words. Isn't a common complaint in the lesbian community that they are tired of being used by bi-women for experimentation, only for these same women to go back to men?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 10:48 PM
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It can be hard to admit you're wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 10:33 PM
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I don't know if that's a universal truth. It isn't. I've tried giving single moms a chance, (women most RP types would classify as post-wall) and the central issue that made dating them difficult was always the scheduling around the weekends they had their kid(s). The two attempts fizzled mutually, but I was not under any illusions (or revenge fantasies) they were going to die miserable and alone. We both went our own ways, and with them being women, they could probably easily find another guy t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 10:22 PM
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Which is basically the same assumption that the top commenter made. It's the assumption that lots of people still make these assumptions conflating morality with desirability. For both men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 10:11 PM
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He is assuming that in these examples the reason the guy can’t laid is absolutely not because he’s insufferable or bad company. Well, let's ask him then. u/Every_Pirate_7471 is this what you were assuming? That it is absolutely not (never) the case it's because the guy is insufferable or bad company?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 10:06 PM
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People do attribute one’s ability to find a sexual partner to one’s moral value. Seriously, I agree that as a matter of fact you're correct that judgments of attractiveness are NOT judgments of morality, but how can you NOT see that people (not just women!) habitually conflate the two? How was the example presumptuous? Their fundamental points are the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 09:32 PM
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People do attribute one’s ability to find a sexual partner to one’s moral value. Seriously, I agree that as a matter of fact you're correct that judgments of attractiveness are NOT judgments of morality, but how can you NOT see that people (not just women!) habitually conflate the two? How was the example presumptuous? Their fundamental points are the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 09:32 PM
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It’s the same premise as the current top comment in this thread which you didn’t disagree with.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 05:14 PM
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He making a statement about the people doing the assuming, not the target people of those assumptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 05:09 PM
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The difference is in how selection is rationalized. With men, there’s a bit more honesty in the power of the halo effect because both genders acknowledge the importance of physical attractiveness for men. It’s not that women are necessarily being duplicitous when they say their standards for personality are very important, it’s just that it has to compete for the same space as their similarly high standards for physical attractiveness. So it will come across as duplicitous to men, especially whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 05:06 PM
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It doesn’t look like he’s assuming anything. It’s just that it’s an open question until evidence is provided.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 04:49 PM
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Maybe they are, maybe they are not. There still needs to be some evidence one way or another before coming to a conclusion. Isn’t that the point of your post?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 04:24 PM
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Hmm... jokes aren't very funny when you have to explain them, you know. I thought you of all people would know that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 01:52 AM
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Hmm... jokes aren't very funny when you have to explain them, you know. I thought you of all people would know that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 01:51 AM
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Wow, that’s two jokes from you now! Have you considered a career in standup comedy?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 01:39 AM
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Absolutely we do. Good and compatible humor enhances the relationship. It’s just not mentioned as much or near the top of our personality asks to the same degree as women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 01:35 AM
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That’s a good joke, bro. I bet you get all the pussy you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 01:32 AM
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“A guy who can make me laugh” / “a guy that has a good sense of humor” is probably one of the most frequent and universal personality traits women say they want in a male partner. So it’s in large part because women have selectively bred (and socially rewarded with sex and relationships) men to be funnier. “Men are one long breeding experience run by women” - Sarah Hrdy
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 01:15 AM
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Why though? Being seen as irredeemable is an extremist position. Why would anyone sacrifice their mental health catering to the extremist opinion of a minority?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 04:11 PM
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I’ve found the most effect way to make a man want to be a feminist is not to talk about women’s struggles, but to speak logically and almost clinically about how the system makes men struggle too. Is the label of feminist really that important? If you can get a man to agree on and empathize on a wide constellation of issues, but he doesn’t accept the label, is that not good enough?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 04:07 PM
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I have. Are the conclusions really all that ridiculous? I specifically mentioned/alluded to patriarchal, social, and technological headwinds that inhibiting EI growth in men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 03:20 PM
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Stop assuming that women just innately have a better life outlook and better empathy. I don't, actually. Is the EI disparity between men and women really as large as most women on here claim? In my experience, no. Women can get away with saying extremely inappropriate things in the context of dating and relationships because the man is desperate for love and sex. I agree the more EI you have, the less shit you tolerate. But I think there is a widening disparity when first entering the world of d…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 02:28 PM
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Nope. I'm only talking about financial independence, which I explicitly stated, and emotional intelligence is more than just "not being an asshole". What a bad-faith strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 02:20 PM
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So you're saying you don't believe it's possible? Hormonally, I don't think it's possible for men. As for a non-hormonal chemical/pill, I remain pretty skeptical because of the lack of human clinical data, but am open to having my mind changed if new data becomes available. It's just that the mechanism of physically blocking fertile sperm from reaching the egg remains the most effective and foolproof method of a male contraceptive with minimal side effects. That's what Vasalgel is trying to do, …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 02:41 AM
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Paternal postpartum depression is a poorly understood concept with a limited evidence-base. Most men do experience hormone changes, particularly a drop in testosterone, when they become fathers. Is it as severe or common as the average PPD case in women? Probably not.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 10:41 PM
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The central issue is the consequences of remedy, not how easy or streamlined it may be to fix. Using my previous two examples, adopting the more streamlined solutions would leave you homeless and without a leg.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 08:49 PM
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Per your first source: Mechanism of action refers to the biochemical process through which a drug produces its effect. For example, if you have a bacterial infection, your doctor might say that you need an antibiotic. They may explain that they are prescribing a specific antibiotic for you because it is very good at targeting the specific bacteria that are making you sick. Using the antibiotic example, when scientists are researching antibiotic treatments in the lab, they can see how effective d…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 08:15 PM
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That is actual nonsense dude. In your mind how is testosterone the only hormone that’s impossible to contain? Again, and for the second time, I never said it was "impossible to contain". And how it is so much more complicated that containing just the one testosterone is way more complex than containing multiple fluctuating hormones. I never said it was more complex. It is conceptually simpler, like setting your house on fire is a simpler form of stopping a cockroach infestation than calling an e…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 07:47 PM
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Thank you for providing sources that support what I just said.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 07:26 PM
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I didn't say testosterone couldn't be contained. We have contained it, it's just the lengths we have to go to contain it to be effective make it a vastly more impractical form of male contraceptive.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 07:21 PM
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Resorting to personal insults when being confronted with a biological fact. Classy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 07:10 PM
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Tbf, the health risks for boner pills is pretty low. Women have every right to set the terms for greater contraceptive responsibility for their male partners should they choose to not take hormonal birth control. "No condom, no sex" is fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 07:02 PM
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You can advocate for all the research and funding you want, it's just that every study and trial of a male contraceptive is going to be confronted with the same harsh realities of biology and/or impracticality previous studies have ran into. It's not a problem that can be solved with advocacy because medical researchers don't like to continue trying mechanisms that have already proven to be ineffective. They look at known, working pre-existing methods with minimal side effects (like condoms and …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 06:55 PM
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Different hormones/fertility, different problems to solve. As I already said, because testosterone exists in much higher concentrations in men than any of women's sex hormones by an order of magnitude, the changes you would have to make to men's hormones render any form of male hormonal birth control impractical.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 06:26 PM
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How most drugs initially affect the cells in our bodies are nearly identical in most cases. The primary differences lie in how sex hormones affect the rate of absorption, retention, and metabolization. Secondarily is the long term risk factors. I.e. if a drug has an elevated risk of causing heart disease, it may not be worth it for men to take.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 06:21 PM
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Male birth control is the easier pharmaceutical issue to solve. Hormonally and chemically? No. Otherwise it would've been solved by now. Mechanically? Yes. All you have to do is block the sperm from reaching the egg.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 06:18 PM
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How is acknowledging hormone concentrations and fertility differences between the sexes an excuse? If women don't want to take hormonal birth control, they don't have to and should never be pressured to. "Condom or no sex" is a perfectly reasonable ultimatum for a woman to give to her sexual partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 06:09 PM
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Women’s biochemistry is constantly cycling due to the hormonal changes of our menstrual cycle. But most medications were developed for the male default where the body stays pretty average over time. Women's hormonal changes primarily affect the absorption, retention, and metabolization of a particular drug. These changes can be mitigated by dosage changes that correlate with the stage of her cycle. But the mechanism of action pharmacodynamics (how the drug first achieves it's intended effect in …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 05:58 PM
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I did. The link you posted about the non-hormonal pill is still in its early stages. You're looking at 10-20 years before it ever comes to market, and that's if it passes human trials. If it works, great. But a mechanical form of blocking sperm is always going to work better as a form of male contraceptive than any induced by a chemical, (whether it be hormonal or non-hormonal) because that's what we know already works with minimal side effects. In your link for heat based contraceptives: The on…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 05:39 PM
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Most of them genuinely don't know. For the overwhelming majority of medical and pharmaceutical trials, the mechanism of action pharmacodynamics for a particular drug is nearly identical for both men and women. But when it comes to sex hormones, which are the very cause of a species' sexual dimorphism, you really have to know what those differences are before accusing men of being pussies for not having a form of hormonal birth control.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 05:17 PM
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There's a legitimate medical reason why hormonal contraceptives for men will never work. Women are not fertile 100% of the time. A woman's fertility is decided by the relative concentrations of sex hormones depending on the phase of her cycle. As I understand it, that's basically how hormonal birth control for women works, yes? By "tricking" her body through hormones that it is in a non-fertile phase. With men, our fertility is constant and primarily decided by only one hormone, testosterone, in…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 04:44 PM
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Wait, if you wanted more time to deal with an issue, why would you address it with an aggressive (and presumably immediately time-sensitive) ultimatum?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 08:18 PM
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Eh... relationships being cut off cold turkey by the woman might be a bit uncommon but not rare. And that type of behavior generally skews towards younger men being the victim. And usually (like 80+% of the time IME), it's because the woman found another guy she liked better. Happens frequently enough in colleges, but it's mostly seen as a lesson all or most young adults learn to deal with. Although I will say, as people move into their late 20s & 30s, relationships have a lot more on the line. …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 08:04 PM
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Wait... Are you saying that as soon as an issue in a relationship is spotted, it should be met with an ultimatum?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 07:35 PM
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I’ve observed that on average women have more intimate, rich, and fulfilling platonic relations with other women than her male counterparts seem to have with other men. I've observed they're about the same or less in both quantity and deepness than male friendships I'm in and have observed, but its very generationally dependent. Younger women seem more lonely than older women. I’ve observed that these connections do allow for single and celibate women to feel less isolated and emotionally discon…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 05:48 PM
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Are you questioning that relative to her single celibate male counterparts single celibate women are more decently content? No. On average, they probably are a bit more content. The part I am questioning is the significance of the difference, with the generalization often being made in this subreddit that single celibate women have deeper and more numerous family and friend connections which make them significantly less lonely than single celibate men. There are two problems I have with this: It…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 03:33 PM
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This was you, right? But I would question the "contentedness" of single heterosexual women in modern society. They may seek the emotional connection but, in many cases, are starved of the environments and social settings in which those connections can be nurtured. Yeah, that was me. Nowhere did I say women were lying. You decided to interpret my use of the word "question" as a wholesale denial, but you've only made yourself look stupid and bad-faith in doing so. You said you question those who s…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 01:08 PM
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You're literally saying, as a man, that women are lying Umm... Where did I say that women are lying? So here's the difference though I readily acknowledge that some women aren't happy single, and those are the women complaining So we agree then. What men like yourself do, however Is also take the group of women who are happily single, and say we're lying I never said women were lying. Get wrecked, because this is an argument you're only going to win in your own head by saying I said something I …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 12:23 AM
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mansplaining So, a man that is explaining something, got it. You can't speak for women nor assert how we really think and feel I going based off of what I am seeing and listening. Women are not a monolith, sweetie.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 11:28 PM
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What am I questioning/doubting?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 10:59 PM
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Sex and relationships are all downstream of friends and community.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 07:05 PM
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Unfortunately for men, women’s arousal isn’t as compulsive as theirs so you’re going to have way more women existing dormant… until she’s not (until she’s triggered otherwise). Which means you’re going to have way more women who may want to be in a relationship but who are decently content not in one if there’s no one triggering that feeling or bond in her. I've seen a similar explanation used for why women don't like and don't tend to use online dating. But I would question the "contentedness" …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 07:03 PM
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Honestly, I've never seen a conservative woman + liberal man couple. And while I haven't seen very many conservative man + liberal woman pairings either, there have been a few.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 03:41 AM
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Be pro choice? Unironically a deal breaker in conservative circles. I grew up Evangelical and all them (yes even the women) believe you are for murdering babies if you are pro-choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 07:36 PM
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Of course it's fair. In the handful of social settings I attend each year where there are single women, I can very obviously see which women get more attention and why. And any complaints may be completely valid for conventionally attractive women as well. How often you get approached is becoming a less and less accurate benchmark for how desirable you are as a woman (dating market wise), both because the type of attention may not be the kind you want, and because men are approaching less often …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 02:27 AM
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Are we talking about only relationships or employment as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 08:31 PM
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I would say the repeated rejections that come with cold approaching is going to reinforce whatever mental blocks a guy has. Ideally, you'd want to be approaching in social settings where it's more acceptable. Having a great social circle is where that comes in handy, but building one from scratch is neither easy nor guaranteed to bear any fruit.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 12:52 AM
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I was going to say this sub is full of thinly veiled bullies... Nobody's going to be hitting him up via Reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 12:27 AM
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Maybe the negative experiences you've had online are a major factor in your lack of interest 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 05:38 PM
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Wouldn't an exclusive FWB style relationship suit your lifestyle best then? I'm not talking about a casual fuckbuddy or booty call here, just a man you genuinely enjoy hanging out with and have sex with whenever you want. It grants you the highest amount of personal autonomy with a lower chance of complications if you want to leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 03:01 PM
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So you'd be ok with sleeping in the same bed as your partner? And is marriage something you want at some point?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 01:58 PM
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If you've only been marketing yourself on the apps, it probably is burnout.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 09:12 PM
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I have a really good freaking life so adding anyone would jeopardize that so they gotta be extra freaking special for me to even consider it. Since the amount of benefit/detriment a man can add or take away from your life exists on a spectrum, what does that threshold of "specialness" look like for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 09:10 PM
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So if a guy radicalized by Hamas walks into the middle of Times Square with a suicide vest, blows himself up, and kills 20 people (half of them women), what is the root cause of that violence?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 01:27 AM
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So in a thread talking specifically about misandry and misogyny, your overall point is that male propensity for violence is higher? Do you understand that even bringing up so-called "global violence statistics" is painting with wide brush on the topic of male violence?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 10:46 PM
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I know you said it wasn't just incels. But you're now obfuscating into the territories of political and religious extremism when you bring up the 2025 New Orleans attack or "global violence statistics". You understand this, yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 05:05 PM
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Are you going to make me go through every notorious male mass shooter over the last 15 years and highlight for you like you’re 5 his online influences? Do you think I'm claiming online rhetoric has no effect on actions? Where did I say that? We were talking about the "incel pipeline" (and I'd be fine with including the radical manosphere as a part of that), but you were the one who brought up global violence statistics. If you can point me to the study that links the global disproportionate male…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 04:58 PM
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It’s not about incels. It’s about anon male spaces. So just to be clear, your comment above specifically references the "incel pipeline". You said: Her point is that the incel pipeline evolves to more violent and vile statements more than the women pipeline does. It also inspires and leads to IRL violence perpetrated by boys/men in a way that the women pipeline does not. Like that New Year’s Day parade male killer who referenced online. Stuff like that. Stuff like Islamic extremism? We're pivoti…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 04:40 PM
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The research papers focusing on male online rhetoric have never causally linked that rhetoric to global violence statistics. The greatest danger to women coming from men is the men they are partnered with, not the faceless incels hiding behind their keyboards. How much are these researchers getting paid to see how many times the word "femoid" or "cunt" appears on an incel forum to confirm what we already know?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 08:19 AM
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Is there anything false about the post title? No, just as there's nothing false about saying "if you need cash, commit armed robbery at your local corner store". People who have trouble with being straightforward usually try to obfuscate behind "nuance". Don't know how much more straightforward I can be. Maybe the problem is you?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 12:29 PM
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Truisms don't require the nuance that the title of post demands. So it isn't a truism. I don't believe you or your response is coherent enough to engage with Yeah, people who have trouble engaging with nuanced topics generally react to nuance as being "incoherent".
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 12:27 AM
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OP, I don't think you or your post is nuanced enough to have a discussion, but maybe you can prove me wrong. I basically have the same response to this as I do to the oft repeated phrase "no one is entitled to anything". While technically true, it's yet another canned meme that fickle, unempathetic, and generally shitty people will take advantage of.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 10:03 PM
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The resulting panic and confusion from the memo caused delays and inadvertently caused the shut down Medicaid online portals in several states. It was reckless in its execution and probably caused some damage that could've been avoided had Trump's administration not prioritized compliance over competence.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 07:23 AM
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How am I full of shit? Where in that link of yours refutes anything I just said? Also, you do realize you just linked a budget submission that was proposed March 2024 for FY2025 (which started October 1st of 2024). Good job Biden, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 07:16 AM
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Any program that provides direct benefits to individuals is not subject to the pause. That's the problem. The key word here being "direct". Because federal grant money doesn't always flow directly from the federal government to the individual. It goes to a (sometimes multi-tiered) network of states, programs, and institutions who are entrusted with then distributing the money to individuals. That's why the memo was rescinded. Widespread confusion is not the effect you want when trying putting ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 05:31 AM
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So a $14 million surplus against (checks math) a $114 billion cut being proposed by Trump's DOGE. This is the epitome of setting your house on fire because your hands are cold. Congrats! You owned the libs! It only cost you 30% of the VA's budget.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 05:15 AM
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Trump has done nothing to change H1B. Yeah, that's the problem. If he was as pro-worker as you say he is, he'd be arguing in favor of reforming it instead of expanding the quasi-indentured servitude it exists as. The Dems turned their back on Unions decades ago, How many Democrats vs Republicans voted in favor of the Protecting the Right to Organize Act and the Public Service Freedom to Negotiate Act? Trumps EOs on immigration will reduce the amount of illegals that are taking these jobs The maj…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 05:06 AM
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I'm sorry, where did I say I was pro-illegal immigration? If the CEOs want illegal immigration for cheaper wages and want to bust unions (also for cheaper wages), then I would obviously be against them. You expect me to believe Trump is interested in starting a legal immigration program that would bring immigrant wages up to par with unionized labor after he slobbed Elmo's knob on the H1B issue?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 04:17 AM
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Whatever your view in Ukraine is, they are undeniably forcing men into military service As is Russia. The Ukrainian government has largely spared younger age ranges of men from the draft, but the issue is becoming more pressing and controversial with manpower shortages on the frontlines. I don't see what the problem is tbh. Ukraine is fighting a war for its own survival it didn't even start. This isn't the same conflict for them as Iraq and Vietnam were for Americans.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 03:58 AM
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It's more like, the right has been distracting and directing your focus to left-wing nutjobs for their gain.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 03:38 AM
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Dumb take. The type of jobs illegal immigrants take are the bottom-of-the-barrel, low skilled ones with long hours and shitty working conditions. If you want higher wages, maybe vote for the party that's more pro-union.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 03:34 AM
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Depends on the discord community. I've only ever used Discord for gaming and it's because discord's voice chat is better than whatever the game's voice chat is. And these are for games where snappy communication is absolutely necessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 09:03 PM
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Do the young people no longer hang out in mixed gender in real life? Less and less. It's been noticeable enough to be a semi-frequent topic on the teachers subreddit. Longtime high school teachers are noticing mixed gender friend groups barely seem to exist anymore. Most likely, this is being carried on into the college environment as well. I'm lucky enough to have post-college aged, mixed friend group but a lot of those opportunities and spontaneous will to go out and just... do stuff, dries up…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 05:46 PM
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It isn't but it starts with women. It starts with social circles and men and women's ability & willingness to build, maintain, and deepen them. OLD apps are a direct attack on both ability and willingness due to their convenience of use and because they inherently self-select for toxic people to remain on them over a given period of time, thereby eroding trust and pumping out people with an unhealthy distrust of the opposite sex. But they are a microcosm for what the internet is and has been doi…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 02:29 PM
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Women aren't doing much better. OP is wrong. The loneliness epidemic isn't uniquely gendered.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 04:53 AM
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4-5 months to meet friends and family is a bit long but not completely unreasonable. Your situation is a bit hard to judge, though, without you going into more specifics about how you deal with the nuanced question of "how fast is too fast?" Just be cognizant of the fact that men are expected to act as the "gas pedals" of relationship progression, so mistakes are bound to happen even when intentions are good.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 05:36 PM
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My bad, I should have been less good-faith in my interpretation then. That would be like me making a post of women with dating problems, but my only examples were vapid OnlyFans models on the Whatever podcast.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 05:12 PM
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Sorry, was I supposed to assume "guys that have dating problems" is synonymous with "guys who have had no luck in their 20s"?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 05:06 PM
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I'm engaging just fine. You're just moving the goalposts.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 04:50 PM
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"Whole 20s with no luck" is quite a low bar to be using. Is it that hard to conceive a man may have had some luck but still is unsuccessful? Or that men have to deal with a pattern of negative behaviors coming from single women that are a contributing factor to that lack of success. I don't much care for claims of a vast majority or epidemic of men that are likely the result of negativity + selection bias. Stories like, "Yeah we met up and I didn't feel any chemistry" don't get as much engagemen…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 04:47 PM
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Even when a guy avoids all the pitfalls you listed, he is still going to get rejected the vast vast majority of the time. There comes a point where a lack of success stops being about self-sabotaging behavior and starts being just "the nature of dating". 2 out of the 3 attributes you listed (hot, fun, and rich) are entirely subjective, which kind of proves my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 03:32 PM
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If I referred to the Evangelical Christian right, Islamists, conservatives, or any current illiberal movement that aims to reverse the gains of feminism as mere "boogeymen", I would be cooked by every woman on this sub. There is no doubt there is a real threat that exists when women talk about abortion rights. Natalism, or rather, one cultural/ideological group "out-reproducing" competing coexisting ones, is a real thing that exists, and I can point to real world examples where it can drasticall…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 05:43 PM
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Find out what? I personally wouldn't date multiple people at a time but don't hold that standard for anyone I'd be dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 12:54 AM
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They do tend default the "extreme masculine" archetype. But never once have I been asked what I, as a man, think the female gaze. The only time I've heard the term used is when it's ignorance of it is asserted at men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 09:46 PM
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Again gatekeeping the terminology: dating is not a relationship. I would expect the person I'm dating to be dating multiple people until the exclusivity talk is had.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 09:42 PM
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I'm sorry but I have to gatekeep here. A situationship is not the same thing as a relationship. And a relationship is a step above dating. And since non-monogamous/polyamory are still quite fringe styles dating, then yes, I believe exclusivity can be expected. Along with a range of other behaviors that will be curtailed that would otherwise be seen as acceptable if that person was single.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 09:38 PM
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I don't think it is reasonable to assume that ANY behavior is going to change solely because you're in a relationship. So because a single man (or woman) was looking for a partner when he was single, it should be expected he will continue to shop around when he is in a relationship? That's the most obvious example, but it's pretty normal to expect different behaviors depending on the relationship status.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 08:23 PM
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But there would be no settling if there was no standard. A woman who doesn't care if her partner has watched porn before a relationship would be more akin to a woman who doesn't care if her partner wants or does not want kids. Obviously, I know this would be uncommon but that's why the comparison doesn't really work.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 06:50 PM
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Well, when you say "settle," that would imply some level of moral judgment, or judgment of standards, towards women who don't care if their partners have watched or used to watch porn before the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 04:45 PM
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not everyone agrees with your premise Why wouldn't they? They are different problems. You are allowed to find both disqualifying for a relationship, but watching porn in the context of a relationship adds another dimension to the issue. I personally wouldn't have a problem with either posting selfies or girls' night outs, both inside and outside of a relationship, but I'd imagine there are plenty of guys would only have an issue if that behavior existed only inside an existing relationship. Wort…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 04:42 PM
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Speaking for just yourself, then.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 04:34 PM
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Watching porn while in a committed relationship is not the same problem as watching porn outside of a committed relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 04:09 PM
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Call it what it is, a class signifier. Your value is decided by how privileged your parents and upbringing were.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 09:32 PM
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What you're describing is a type of pygmalion effect/bias and my genetics have put me on the opposite side of where you are. I'm in my late 20s but look like I'm fresh out of college. Not exactly a baby face, but the last girl I dated had a big thing for Timothee Chalamet if that makes any sense. If I played into the bad boy/fuckboy aesthetic, it would be disconnected from the bias most women would have of me in their heads. I tried it and it didn't really work for me. I used to really catastrop…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 03:26 AM
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The gender ratio of practicing therapists is less than ideal. And while I can't speak for other countries, the labyrinthine system of American Healthcare means you'll be looking at wait times between 9 months to a year before seeing one.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 02:02 AM
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Limitless (2011). Spoilers ahead obviously: Bradley Cooper plays a deadbeat author suffering from writers block who's just been broken up with by his longtime GF who is much more successful than him. Upon taking a miracle pill that gives him superhuman levels of intelligence, he uses his newfound power to seduce a ton of women (the very first scene he takes the pill is him cucking his landlord), finish his book, and get rich really quick off the stock market. After he's done sleeping his way thr…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 11:04 AM
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Depends on the subreddit
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 12:10 PM
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I apply it to both sides. If I were talking to a woman or a bloopie catastrophizing over the hateful rhetoric of men, I would be following the same line of questioning.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 06:12 PM
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What do you mean? Most of my friends and family are conservative with the exception of my brother, who I still disagree with on matters of policy and ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 09:26 AM
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The bubble exists but its nothing compared to the opposite. It isnt taken seriously anyway Do you think maybe your perception of this hateful content's popularity might possibly be affected by an algorithm's (mis)interpretation of what you seek out, engage with, and/or simply give attention to in the form of views? Both men and women downplay it How many men and women downplay it and to what extent? The content isnt being brigaded. None of us know that and to what extent except the admins of any…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 06:34 AM
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How are you measuring the popularity of content?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 06:09 AM
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But your manner of consumption is crux of the issue here, not simply the fact that it exists. Are you media literate enough to grasp the concept of information bubbles and echo chambers?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 05:44 AM
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By a bunch of people on this sub, most reddit subs in general, people on most major social media platforms, and IRL How much is a bunch? Do you think a media bubble doesn't exist where misandry is critiqued and criticized? They will downplay hateful content by women till the end of time Who is they? How many? What is the level of attention they get? Do we know if the content is being brigaded or simply reverberating inside it's own echo chamber (coughTwoXChromosomescough) and to what extent?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 05:39 AM
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Content that is nuanced and not hateful or disruptive also comes from regular everyday people. You're allowed to make a decision to consume those types of content instead. What is your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 05:33 AM
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It goes both ways, but the OP is asking about young men, so that is what I am responding to. If you would like to expand the scope of this discussion to GenZ women and/or the misandrist hemisphere of the internet, I'll be happy to indulge you. If a woman posts something hateful toward men its seen as rage bait but if the man does the same to a woman its taken 100% serious. How does that make sense? Seen by who?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 05:09 AM
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Every generation has had their share of grifters and liars. The Millennial ones were just a little bit wealthier and older (but close enough in age to not appear totally disconnected) to be able to exploit the internet for their own gain and to GenZ's detriment. Unfortunately, I don't see the situation getting any better. Not only due to the way social media and the internet exist, but also with the way most human minds tend to digest the information. Creators of course need to take added accoun…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 03:49 AM
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Yes, I believe most are 26 or younger. I'm almost 29 and spending less and less time on this sub because I'm finding it harder to relate to a generation of young men whose identity has been actively shaped and informed through online outrage. I am noticing a frightening lack of accountability for the content they are choosing to consume, and really just a lack of curiosity into how their attention is being directed and focused by outside actors.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 12:04 AM
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Tariff's are by their very nature inflationary.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 06:18 PM
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At least when inflation gets worse because of the tariffs they cam take solace in their feeling they 'owned the libs'.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 06:41 AM
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51% of married women voted for Trump while 49% of unmarried men voted for Trump. This election was never about abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 04:18 AM
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What I know is that tariffs only work (as in stimulate domestic production) when there is credible evidence said domestic production can be competitive with the foreign made products you are imposing the tariffs on. Right now, the single largest obstacle to that is labor costs. Foreign steel (or insert whatever cheap consumer products or inputs you want here) are cheaper because it's cheaper to pay a steel worker in China than it is in the US. You can't avoid that obstacle unless you somehow con…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 03:30 AM
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When it's feminists that are caught with hatred online then "online is not reality". This is hilarious. You can't think all this hatred isn't affecting both men and women in real life. I hear students talk about Tate, and I hear other students talk about how men are trash and they'd pick the bear. Both come from online discourse. Neither the rabid man-hating feminists or the Tate fan boys online are reality. People need to be taking more personal accountability for the content they consume and t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 03:20 AM
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So you dont understand what secular religion means? When you promote sexual and gender liberal norms beyond what is accepted by the majority of people and make other options like charter schools difficult to transfer to thats pushijg secular religion. The entire Democratic party is not Marxist, so swing-and-a-miss there. So you move the goal posts by switching to out right drug dealers over pain clinics? I always meant drug dealers. Drug dealers peddle opiates, no? You can't get opiates without …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 02:57 AM
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Tariffs are a stupid idea. They made the Great Depression worse (Smoot-Hawley) and caused price increases when Trump tried to do them in his first term.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 02:50 AM
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Secular religion is still religion. So me not wanting prayer to be instituted in public schools, in accordance with what the 1st Amendment already says, is me practicing my "secular religion"? Does that also make the Constitution a religious document? They can be was my point and you may never know which one was which. Thats not a difficult analogy to follow i think. Well, doctors have these things called degrees and accreditation to establish a certain level of competence and knowledge in the m…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 06:09 PM
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Remember when we fought having prayer in public schools? Thier worries about public schools pushing values they disagree with is the same so were we wrong then? Well, when their values run counter to the 1st Amendment, you should have no problem calling it a dumb proposal. I'm not going to sane-wash ridiculous and harmful policy ideas as "just having different values". Even if the outcome is the same and the problem looks the same is my point. You think the outcome of seeing a doctor for backpai…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 05:45 PM
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You either dont recognize your privilege or dont recognize that other people have different values. I recognize it plenty, actually. A democratic country's voters are only as good as their education system. And right now, one party seems to be focused on how to fix it and provide free school lunches while the other seems to be obsessed with Marxist indoctrination. An important problem with your medical analogy is even "real" doctors dont know how to treat back pain when their is no easy cause ye…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 05:14 PM
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You can't deny the hatred spewed by people online. I never denied it, I said you were exaggerating it. Online is not reality. Even if the Dems weren't feminists, they push a lot of things that feminist also push but accuse men of being the reason many problems exists while ignoring men's problems. The issues men care most about are the economy, which is not a gendered policy. Women are unique in that abortion is perhaps the biggest and pretty much only policy that is uniquely gendered, but that'…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 05:04 PM
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I won't stop because the problem you are describing (but failing to recognize) is that of low-information voters. I can recognize their suffering (real or perceptive) of an issue, or issues; but if I go to a doctor and opiate peddler complaining of back pain, the former is going to take the time to accurately diagnose what is wrong with me to ascertain the right treatment plan, while the latter is going to offer me a solution that immediately fixes my "bad vibes".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 04:41 PM
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Well, you think elections are all about just the candidate and only the candidate makes people vote but that's absolutely not true. That's not what I think, actually. Their supporters, financial backers, and media environment they exist in also has an effect. I think when people go to vote they also vote against what they perceive the party they vote for or against is through other people's actions. Perceptions can be warped in the form of exaggeration, minimization, or just outright fabrication…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 04:29 PM
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The Dems lost for none of the reasons you listed in your low effort post.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 04:09 PM
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Kamala never made her gender the focus of her campaign. Despite being offered the bait several times in media interviews, she didn't bite. Radical idpol lefties (think of the average American 2XC poster) are radioactive to the democratic party, and the party would be better off ignoring those types; but the raw number of these folks within the Democratic party is low, as evidenced by the fact that the women vote Dems expected to save them never materialized. Abortion just wasn't that big of an i…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 04:06 PM
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People like yourself seem to vote more on vibes and symbols than they do actual policy. Our country is so fucked.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 03:30 PM
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The concept of a sex boycott is enormously stupid but not for any of the dumb reasons OP is saying. Casual sex isn’t all that common, so I refuse to believe women are legitimately afraid they can't get an abortion because a random guy nutted inside them after a hookup. Man =/= conservative and woman =/= liberal. Straight liberal women are still having the majority of sex within the context of a serious relationship, and I seriously doubt liberal women are in relationships with conservative men i…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 11:36 AM
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A good example would be the responses to Shoe0nHead's video about male loneliness. Yes I'm aware there are a handful of white-knighting men in there but the responses were overwhelmingly coming from women. So yeah, framing the "male loneliness epidemic" as something men deserve is something I would consider retaliatory. & FWIW I have problems with the entire meme of the "male loneliness epidemic" a) because everybody seems to be getting more lonely, and b) it has become a term some women are spi…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 03:13 PM
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Not wanting to talk to a man isn't retaliatory. Shaming men (or a man) for perceived injustices would be. Shaming men (and generalized toxic behavior from women towards men) was the original premise of this post. Which is why I was confused by the parent comment by Planthoe30 because it feels like a non-sequitur at best and a justification for toxic behavior at worst (i.e. the idea women are allowed to be toxic because "men" supposedly have a Madonna-Whore complex towards women).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 06:13 AM
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I take issue with the fact that shame directed at an entire demographic isn't healthy for a society. We can both agree slut-shaming women is bad, yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 10:54 PM
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What kind of question is this? Of course it's not shitty. Women are allowed to establish whatever boundaries they want. If a man crosses those boundaries, then he's obviously in the wrong, but it's impossible to be aware of where those boundaries are if the interaction never started in the first place. A man isn't wrong just for attempting to start a conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 10:51 PM
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I think the biggest reason as to why we "feel" like it's okay for women to attack men is because we don't immediately associate it with severe damage. Yup, and that also explains why male victim-female perpetrator SA scenarios aren't viewed with the same disgust and contempt as female victim-male perpetrator. We falsely analogize men and women into hammers and vases. Hammers break vases; but the idea of a vase breaking a hammer sounds absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 10:43 PM
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"The surest way to work up a crusade in favor of some good cause is to promise people they will have a chance of maltreating someone. To be able to destroy with good conscience, to be able to behave badly and call your bad behavior 'righteous indignation' — this is the height of psychological luxury, the most delicious of moral treats." Aldous Huxley In it's current iteration, modern feminism has a very weak immune system for keeping what Huxley is pointing out here in check. It's not as if rais…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 10:30 PM
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I'm not "men". I am a man. I don't believe I dehumanize women so I have nothing to be ashamed of in that regard.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 05:45 PM
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Unless you're trying to use the supposed de-humanization of women to justify retaliatory shitty behavior or just dismiss OP's premise entirely, I don't understand the connection you're trying to make.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 06:45 AM
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As a man, I've always thought that if an interaction was considered inappropriate or creepy, especially at the early stages, that would be the end of it. But the scenario you described seems like more of a "pump the brakes there, dude" type interaction when displaying sexual interest. Which, as a man, I've run into plenty of times and never really taken offense to. I know men like to posture as being the more "logical" sex, but negative feedback to escalation can be one of those things where emo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 05:53 PM
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UnfortunatEly, this sUb's rules prevent me from Talking about policies I tHink would Alleviate meN's suffering. But At the Same tIme, A lot of you here aren't ready to have some of the more difficult conversations either.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 11:04 PM
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The percentage matters very little in the practical sense because we don't date like we're playing a game of Russian roulette. We can ask people questions, observe answers and behavior, and recalibrate. Realistically, no man would ever admit, "Yeah, I'd totally rape a woman if I knew I could get away with it". The study exists so it can identify what the correlating attitudes are for having that thought in order to understand which % of the male population would be receptive to consent training.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 06:08 PM
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Tbf, I said sex was one of the things, not the only thing, that distinguishes a platonic relationship from a romantic one. Romantic relationships are more than the sum of their parts, but are still built on a set of foundational "intimacy" pillars established at the beginning of the relationship. Sexual attraction is one; emotional understanding of your partner is another example. If you remove or seriously degrade one of those pillars, you're overloading all the others and weakening them in tur…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 06:00 PM
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would find it meaningless to be with someone who you vibe with in other ways if you both don't express that love through sex. You are describing a friendship. It's not lacking any meaning, but sex is one of those things that distinguishes a romantic relationship as having a higher form of intimacy over a platonic one.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 05:11 PM
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Oh, there's a rulebook for how to use reddit correctly? Does it say I'm not allowed to reply to someone else's comment so I can point out a dumbass idea to anyone else reading?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 08:37 AM
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I'll reply to whatever comment I want.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 08:31 AM
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Oh my reply wasn't for you, cupcake.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 08:30 AM
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The fact that you're equating acknowledging a disadvantage with "whining" is very telling.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 08:27 AM
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Well a big part of the pink pill is establishing ways to give men a shot, like judging them for their relationships with their families or friends, or whether they have pets; reflecting their responsibilities. Most women already do all this without subscribing to the pink pill. Pink pill is a much much more cynical and oftentimes transactional way of engaging in relationships with men. The default state of a man to Pink pill content creators is that of a parasite of a woman's time and energy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 08:20 AM
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But it always seemed weird men's entitlement for "unconditional love" while women just are more realistic about the dating scene and seems to accept what they could get. While men get delusional to the point just not believe it or go to red pill. You have no proof this is a widespread phenomenon for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 08:21 PM
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Every boy and girl at my elementary school knew JK Rowling was a woman and still read all the books. It is hard to hide your gender identity when your books become that famous. Outsiders was a mandatory read in school, but every English class after 8th grade had a feminist literature section. Maybe publishers just think men are more sexist than they really are. Authorship of books isn’t really a definitive metric for judging appreciation of the opposite genders achievement.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 05:23 PM
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Men value the work of men more. Probably, yeah. But likewise for women. Women will be the first to remind men that women's labor is vital, yet unseen and unnoticed. That it was always a woman doing more of the unpaid domestic duties, emotional labor, etc. And without women to bring humans into the world, there wouldn't be any society to speak of. so I don’t know what you specifically mean by value. Value what? Their lives? Their existence in society. I can buy men value women’s lives more. But n…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 07:22 AM
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You’re just restating that men respect women less than men. Correct, but your original statement was, "men respect and value men more." Men do respect men more. Men do not value men more. You are somehow under the impression respect = value, but they are not the same. Benevolent sexism puts certain women on a pedestal, but she’s not really a person. A child is still a person but entitled to certain privileges and negative biases in status and responsibility She’s an idea to be owned. Other women…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 06:23 AM
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There have been no studies contradicting it. Only studies and essays adding nuance to the topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 05:45 AM
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Word of advice, please read the surrounding context of the quotes you are cherry-picking. From your link: “men are culturally valued more than women.“ Also from my link: These findings cohere with system- justification theory (SJT; Jost & Banaji, 1994), which argues that dominants [men] should show stronger in-group bias than minorities at the nonconscious level. This is because only minorities are subject to the tendency to devalue one's group as a means of justifying the status quo. In essence…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 05:31 AM
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I’ve never heard it claimed there isn’t solidarity among men. You're living under a rock then. Men respect and value men. Both men and women value women over men. Most men just want my kind for sex and sometimes loyalty, companionship, and domestic labor. In other words, they want us to service them. 🥱 Who men really love and look up to is other men. Nope. Men just look up to other successful men more because we are more likely to share similar life experiences and challenges. Same can be said o…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 05:02 AM
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Romance novels do a lot of exceptionalizing for the male love interest. He is technically "a man," but so unlike all the other men as to almost be a different gender entirely. Or he is brought to transcend his ugly/primitive/basal male nature by falling in love and loving the female protagonist.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 06:31 PM
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Hard right men are making it impossible for women to abort EVEN WHEN THE FETUS WILL NOT SURVIVE. We've gone from "men" to "married men" to "the majority of men" to now "hard right men" How am i destroying reproductive rights? Do you think being hostile and treating men as a monolithic demographic opposed to women's rights will get you very far? You're actively undermining and sabotaging the pro-choice/pro-abortion movement when you frame the issue as men vs. women. So how do you sleep at night k…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 04:42 AM
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Post them then.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 04:36 AM
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Uh... nope. Do those statistics you claim to have on your side account for commutes, toughness of jobs, or whether or not each individual couple found the division of domestic labor "unfair"?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 04:19 AM
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Who are you talking about? Who is destroying reproductive rights (Besides women like you of course)?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 04:17 AM
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I think in a lot of cases people are just less interested generally in whether men want children. No, I'd say people are starting to become suspicious at best and actively hostile at worst towards men who want children. I don't want kids but it's better for men to just keep their mouths shut on the issue unless they like getting ambushed by 4+ different women who treat them like the facehugger parasite from the Alien franchise.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 02:40 AM
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The minimum requirement for "majority" is 51% and the minimum hours worked in a week to be considered formally employed is 40hrs. Inequity of caregiving and household work does not mean the relationship is de facto unfair.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/24 06:35 PM
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They aren't. You're just fixated on the shitty marriages where the men are deadbeats and think that applies to all marriages. Sorry the truth isn't to your liking.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/24 04:38 PM
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59% Republican for married men = "men" ...according to you
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/24 04:35 PM
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How does it feel to be completely and totally fucking wrong: Fifty-seven percent of both women and men said they would be willing to sacrifice their careers to become full time parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/24 07:50 AM
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Do we really need to notallmen every single time? You're the one pushing idpol brainrot, so you tell me. Also, 59%? Give me a break.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/24 07:41 AM
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What is your evidence men currently are fighting hard to stay in the workplace?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/24 06:56 AM
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Yeah, one of them happens to be Kamala's running mate. Is that really your justification? Because older white men happen to be more Republican, that's enough of an excuse to extrapolate and generalize. You do realize you are sabotaging our party and helping Trump and conservatives when you lean this hard on identity politics, yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/24 06:53 AM
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And which men would that be? Where did OP say he expects sex "constantly" or "all the time". I've never really heard a man say that either. If you're going to use strawman arguments, then so will I.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/24 01:15 AM
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I don’t remember part of the vows ever being “I promise to do all the domestic labor in the house for my wife so she can sit around and do nothing”. Women need to get over their husband appliance not functioning like they do in their dreams or in their favorite romance novels.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 11:09 PM
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Took you this long to convince yourself I was misconstruing your words? Yeah, I call bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 11:07 PM
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You were the one asking "source?" So now you just look stupid because it took you this long to comprehend what I was saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 10:21 PM
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I never said they were the same. I said the philosophy applied to practiced U.S. constitutional criminal law yields the burden of proof standard of "beyond a reasonable doubt". Go over to the AskLawyers and ask them the same question. They will agree with me, and you will get BTFO'd by arguing with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 09:51 PM
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https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt14-S1-5-5-5/ALDE_00013763/
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 09:36 PM
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No, he's calling it wild because synonymizing "men" with conservatism and conservative movements is fucking dumb. Your entire framework through which you view these issues and the world is fucked six ways from Sunday. Liberal and leftist men exist. Equally batshit, radically conservative women, on the correlating opposite side of political spectrum as you, also exist. Sorry, not sorry pointing out pluralism is threatening to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 08:13 PM
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So now "men" is synonymous with "conservative"? Holy shit, this is a retarded take if I've ever seen one.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 08:01 PM
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Yes men are fighting tooth and nail while at the same time (checks notes) put more hours into childrearing and domestic labor than any previous generation of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 08:00 PM
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This sub and people like yourself have taught me there is no ethical way for a man to want children.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 07:53 PM
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Noted. Best of luck in your crusade then.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 06:57 PM
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And it’s not the stay at home moms that are griping it’s the women who work full-time and still do everything at home with her husband sits on the phone. On the internet, it's mostly already divorced women. Exhibit A is the last sentence of your comment. What this means is that there is an inherent selection bias of women from failed marriages sharing a common experience, but not necessarily giving an accurate representation on the state of modern heterosexual marriages with kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 04:21 PM
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Incorrect. The philosophy you are referring to as practiced constitutional law is known as the "beyond a reasonable doubt standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 09:26 PM
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https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt14-S1-5-5-5/ALDE_00013763/
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 09:12 PM
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The "better 100 guilty men go free than 1 innocent man be convicted" applies to criminal conviction only. Not arrests.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 07:18 PM
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it applies to the legal system as a whole. that is the philosophy the entire system is based on. Incorrect. Different standards apply to different stages and types of legal processes. That's why the standard for arrest and detention are much lower than criminal conviction. that is why you cannot be arrested based on a claim in the us. You absolutely can. Go over to the AskLawyers sub and ask if it possible and watch them prove me right.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 07:09 PM
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no one is arrested based on a claim that a rape happened in the us. Yes, they are. It is uncommon but not unheard of. An accusation is testimony, which is a form of evidence used in issuing a warrant. It is well within the power legally granted to prosecutors and judges to pursue an arrest based on a single accusation.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 07:06 PM
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What about realistically? What would their response be?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 06:12 PM
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And if I said, "I can't fight every battle" to a group of feminists about why I can't confront every instance of misogyny in the world, what do you think their response would be?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 06:07 PM
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Well, we're not talking about the macro effects of one night stands on women's sexual satisfaction are we? We're talking about one man's sexual proclivities. If both parties are honest with their intentions, I fail to see the harm in how two consenting adults decide to use Tinder. Yes, he is using them for sex but the women he is hooking up with are using him as well. Guarantee the women on Tinder who put looking for casual know the risks and stats and still pursue casual in spite of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 06:02 PM
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We have built our entire justice system based on the idea that it is better to let 100 guilty men go free than falsely imprison 1 innocent man. This applies to the standard of evidence to criminally convict, which is not the same and much higher than arrest (as you said, "probable cause"). You understand this, yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 05:56 PM
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Here in the US, the standard for arrest is probable cause. An accusation from an alleged victim is usually sufficient to meet that standard, as lawyers in this other thread seem to agree on.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 05:53 PM
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So the difference is whether or not an individual person is targeted? Would you say the presence of manosphere groups are also less bad than sporadic misogynistic hate mail targeted at female celebrities? Does the former not empower and encourage the latter?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 05:42 PM
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Chris Williamson does not consider himself RedPill nor does he associate with any part of the manosphere. The dude literally called himself BluePill in his episode with Destiny.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 10:15 PM
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I'm not talking about the men you're "not involved with" or the men "trying to talk to you". I'm talking about the man who ends up in a serious relationship with you. The fact that you're ducking and dodging answering this question is quite telling.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 09:45 PM
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You don't date "men in general" though, right? Aren't pinkpill women supposed to have higher standards? I'm just trying to figure out if transparency is absent from those standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 05:09 PM
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Nah, I'd say about 50/50. The crazy ones just drive up the most engagement. But this is also the fault of most of the women on here for being incapable of having conversations that diverge even slightly from counter-RP dialogue trees.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 05:00 PM
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Well, you're not dating all men, are you? Presumably a smaller pool of men who meet your minimum requirements of wealth, looks, and personality traits, yes? Do you expect the men you date and engage in relationships to also lack transparency?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 04:56 PM
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When a man tries to make the same argument you just did, he will be accused of making the tired "NotAllMen" argument. OP is probably just embracing the same collectivization of guilt/punishment he sees coming from radical feminists and flipping it back around on women in a "let's see how you like it" way.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 09:25 AM
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Hey, as long as any pink pill woman is transparent about the transactional way they view relationships, I don't give a shit. But I suspect explaining, even in the abstract sense, you're exchanging sex for resources turns a lot of men off.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 08:36 AM
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Pinkpill roundabout endorsing prostitution. Can't say I'm surprised.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 06:20 AM
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Uncommon bordering on rare. Probably has a lot to do with the company you keep and industry you work in, birds of a feather and all that. I did once work in a restaurant where there was (allegedly) one woman who had slept with a handful of other male employees, but not to the extent these periods of hooking up with the guys were concurrent. The restaurant industry is known for it's debauchery/hedonism and that was the most scandalous thing I heard while working there.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 11:16 PM
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I also thought it was clear that’s the crux of my OP… Attitudes, cognition, and mindsets are the crux of your OP? What does the title of this post say again?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 06:52 PM
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You said the "no consequences" aspect of the question was the crux of the study. That's what I'm disagreeing with.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 06:17 PM
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The question is intentional about “no consequences.” The answer to that question is the crux of the study. No, it was not, for three reasons: The participants were never asked about scenarios in which consequences were a possibility. If the people conducting the survey wanted to figure out the presence/strength of the behavioral mitigation if there was a possibility of consequences, they would've added a survey question to reflect that. But they didn't. Since the "no consequences" part of the qu…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 05:50 PM
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Lololololol whatever you gotta tell yourself bud. It really is sad how hard you are floundering here. No, I got pissed for men on this sub diminishing a horrifying rape case because it makes them uncomfortable. Much like you're doing right now Explaining percentages, fractions, and selection bias to you is diminishing rape? Funny how you keep accusing me of that but have still failed in explaining exactly how that is the case. Yes, recruiting rapists on a website is not better than recruiting ra…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 06:53 PM
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Oh, so when you get BTFO, now its a "deflection". Hilarious. Bro, you got pissed at another user for pointing out the rapists were being recruited from a fetish website. You asked, "How is it any better?" after asking how many of the perpetrators were in her village. Are you confused about the affect of sample sizes on percentages when the numerator remains constant, or did you fall asleep during that lesson in elementary math?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 06:18 PM
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Since you haven't explained how this is selection bias Oh, I have. You're just a bit slow and eager to make baseless accusations of minimizing rape. Are you genuinely too stupid to understand that a chatroom made for rapists... might have a higher % of rapists than the general population?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 05:40 PM
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you just started minimizing rape. Oh really? Pointing out a chat room targeted towards rapists was used to recruit rapists is... minimizing rape? Explain that one for me. Also, nice quick edit from "defending rapists" to "minimizing rape".
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 05:31 PM
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So you should look up the term "selection bias" and incorporate it into your epistemology.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 05:29 PM
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It's called not spreading misinformation. You should try it some time.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 05:29 PM
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You can quit with the rape apology accusations. No one is falling for your moral grandstanding. Ever heard of selection bias?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 05:23 PM
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It wasn't singularly from the small village. Husband was using a chat room that was specifically focused on catering to non-consensual paraphilics. This is where most of the paraphilics were recruited from.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 05:21 PM
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It means that in practice, leaving their drink unattended or passing out on someone's couch is a bad idea around a significant amount of men. It doesn't, actually. Because there are real world consequences to drugging someone and raping them. The survey was asking if there was any intention to rape/use force to obtain sex if there were no consequences. Also, still haven't read the study, huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 02:57 PM
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It means that in practice, leaving their drink unattended or passing out on someone's couch is a bad idea around a significant amount of men. It doesn't, actually. Because there are real world consequences to drugging someone and raping them. The survey was asking if there was any intention to rape/use force to obtain sex if there were no consequences. This also shows me you didn't read the study.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 02:55 PM
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It's a dumb question and we both know it. There's no useful discussion or information that precipitates out of a hard %.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 02:36 AM
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I know there was an OP yesterday who felt as though phrasing like "teach men not to rape" was condescending, but percievd tone aside, it seems that this research indicates a third of men when asked about variios situaitons seem to change their answers depending on how the questions of forced sex is asked. "Teach men not to rape" is a fair bit worse than condescending, but putting that aside, that's not even what the study found or was trying to determine. In fact, if you had read the study (N=81…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 02:23 AM
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When women are dating it’s about weather they can see a future with that specific man or not. It's usually not about looks, but I have heard women say they broke things off early because they thought they could do better in some combination of the wealth/career/personality departments. I have also heard many women say something along the lines of "never give an ugly guy a chance because heartbreak/rejection feel worse coming from an ugly guy than a good looking guy". So I refuse to believe looks…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 06:00 PM
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The trial outcome does not change whether or not the rape happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 05:27 PM
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Way too many people What is "too many people" mean? I see it all the time online especially. Yep, believe everything you see online and extrapolate to the real world. a lot of men will cover for other men Again, with the ambiguous quantitative words. Do you understand that when you use phrases such as "way too many" or "a lot of," you are making an unfalsifiable claim? This is exactly what I was talking about in my last comment: the impossible to meet and ever changing goalposts. "Too many rapes…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 05:26 PM
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The outcome is that the event happened instead of not happening. So with respect to that, there is nothing I can change.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 03:42 AM
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Of course. But if I wasn't there and had no knowledge of it, there was nothing I could do to affect the outcome of what happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 09:46 PM
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Is "happened" a past tense verb or present tense verb?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 08:59 PM
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if someone says "sex crimes are happening where there aren't bystanders" the implication there is they are unable to conceptualize how they can be of help. Bystanders are witnesses to an ongoing sexual assault, rape, and/or sexual harassment. There is no way to help an ongoing crime if you are not aware of it in the first place. You pointing out that men need to "speak out" against rape and sexual assault implies you have a wider stance on what bystander means. You're trying to stretch the defin…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 08:57 PM
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What is a bystander to you? Because I am defining bystander as a witness to an ongoing sexual assault, rape, or sexual harassment. I cannot act on what I don't know is happening because I can't see or hear it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 05:22 PM
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You never said you was or wanted to be one. But it would be nice, if men would be on the side of actively discouraging other men from raping / assaulting women rather than being apathetic. How does pointing out sex crimes happen where there are no bystanders mean I am apathetic to them? Explain that one for me, please. I understood your intent to be "I can't help". Your understanding is limited if that's all you took it to mean. Then obviously you're also saying you don't want to be an ally so y…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 05:18 PM
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The point she's making is you're not an ally basically. Where the fuck did I say I was or wanted to be an "ally"? You're just like "I can't help, so I won't" Nope, actually never said that. If you'd like grow up and engage seriously instead of making shit up about what I said, we can talk.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 04:29 PM
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Are you sure you responded to the right person? I don't see how your response is related to my comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 07:00 AM
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Well see, the problem is that most sex crimes happen where there are no bystanders.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 06:14 AM
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It's not hard to box someone into a situation where you're not threatening them, but they can't do anything about you brutalizing them if you decide to. 🤡 If you actually believe they're a threat, sure. But you don't. I don't because I'm not a chronically online person and exist in the real world. I use situational and contextual information to ascertain if someone is a threat, which is what the overwhelming majority of normal women do as well. Sure, but both acknowledge that someone is a credib…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 06:07 AM
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If you're able to beat someone to death with your bare hands, you're an actual threat. Nope. Not until I'm threatening to use the tools or actually using them am I a threat. There are plenty of people, including women that own weapons, who can kill me or do me harm. Does that make these women a threat to me now? If inherently distrusting women for whatever reason (lol) is misogyny, I think it's fair to call the same to men misandry. For "whatever reason"? There's a difference between outright di…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 12:44 AM
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To be a threat, you need the tools to be a threat. Male strength is, in fact, a tool that makes you a threat. No, there is a difference between a perceived threat and an actual threat. and your options are to either blindly trust him or look at him with inherent suspicion. Really, those are the only options? Also, am I to understand inherent suspicious = misandry now?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 11:14 PM
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The actual threat level isn't determined by the race or sex of a person though, it's determined by the individual's character. So what you are saying justifies misandry... how?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 10:41 PM
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That right there my friends. LMAO. So the moment she can’t put in her two cents you won’t respect her. She should def never be caught in a vulnerable position with you. (Losing a job, pregnant or disabled) You just reinforced my ideals. What a bizarre and painfully idiotic way to interpret his words.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 10:25 PM
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But male lions do jack but sleep all day, the lionesses do the hunting and they care for the cubs. The result is male lions fight like mad to mate, are constantly killed off by other males and very few actually ever reproduce with females. Contrary to popular opinion, male lions do hunt, although less often than females, but have other roles such as protecting the pride's territory and watching after the cubs. So the reason some species are monogamous and others are not often has very little to …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 10:14 PM
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I've heard a woman on this sub explain it like this: Men are going to objectify women no matter what, so if there is a way to exploit the objectification dynamic to their advantage, they should do it, whether that be free drinks at a bar or starting an OF. Also, women won't criticize other women because they're afraid of being called pick-me's. The abuse of the term, originally intended to fight internalized misogyny in women, has backfired to where it now seems to have had a noticeable chilling…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 06:06 AM
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Jenn's brother pointed out she had a history of picking emotionally unavailable men, and audiences seemed to agree she wasn't in the best mental state and maturity level to be on the show in the first place. Also worth mentioning is that the show is basically fast tracking a relationship from first meeting to marriage proposal. Unsurprisingly, this makes the environment extremely fertile ground for contestants that can skillfully love bomb their way to first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 10:09 PM
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Inability to understand analogies is a sign of low IQ 😬
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 09:09 PM
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In pretty much all of it's current iterations, yes. And it shouldn't be surprising because it's right there in the name. TheRedPill is a direct reference to the Matrix. To take the Red Pill means you are an exception to the rest of the uninformed masses who are still "plugged in".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 11:26 PM
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I don't see how being a pick-me necessarily means they are self-hating. That requires an inhuman level of mind-reading and knowledge of the individual. Most pick-mes, be they male or female, just seem to have a high degree of self-righteous exceptionalism. They legitimately like themselves for how "different" they are from most of the group, which isn't self-hatred, but it is a form of egotism. I think this is why the political right appears to attract pick-me women; the right genuinely does not…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 10:48 PM
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You know how there are those AskReddit threads that have "where is your high school crush now?" and the answers are all meth addicts and single moms? Well, by some strange occurrence, I talked to my first ever big crush in high school, and I can honestly say... she has not changed a bit. Taken unfortunately, but seems to be thriving in life and just as adorable and sweet as I remember. 9th grade me had good taste.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 01:58 PM
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I actually just finished the chapter in Autocracy Inc. by Anne Applebaum last week where she describes exactly what Putin did. I'd have to go back and reread but I'll post another comment when I have an answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 09:55 PM
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Yes, you're right. Sobchok was the mayor at the time, not Putin. I'll edit the original comment to reflect that. But his role was not just as a front desk clerk; he was appointed to oversee and manage international investments to the city as well as its imports/exports. A position that obviously uniquely positioned him to engage in and profit off of corruption schemes. Why expect another coup from specifically KGB thugs rather than military personnel or high-ranking criminals? Did the KGB have a…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 09:15 PM
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It's complicated, but the extreme layman's summary is the coup that ousted Gorbachev in 1991 and ultimately ended the USSR was orchestrated by a small group of Soviet hardliners, many, but not all of them, in the KGB. The largely bloodless coup eventually ended with the opposing Nationalist factions, led by Boris Yeltsin, winning. Yeltsin became the first president of the Russian Federation in 1992, but fearing another coup in the midst of the chaos and political instability of 1990's, Yeltsin e…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 08:27 PM
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His humor and comebacks are a performance. If you want to see him go off script, look at the Rucker Carlson interview. It's complete word vomit because most of the people responsible for his PR have either been exiled, demoted, or killed.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 04:46 PM
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Being in the KGB during the fall of the USSR was probably the best possible position you could be in.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 04:43 PM
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Ok... and why should I care? Not acting thirsty (what I already do), is neither noticed nor is it praised. Being normal as a guy doesn't shift the public opinion of women in any direction because you're trying to fight a negative behavior with a neutral one. The net result is always going to be negative anyway and I have little control over how other men behave.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 11:07 PM
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OK. I am not saying the entire west has converted to Islam because I don't see very many women walking around with burka's and hijabs. Also, by US census data, they make up a very small % of the population. If you want clarity, try engaging a bit more seriously instead of assuming I think something as ridiculous as Islam having converted the entire west.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 10:58 PM
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...you seriously think Christianity is being replaced by Islam? By immigrant population? Maybe. But it's not exactly replacing religion it's replacing population. Depends on how you define replacement. If it looks like at some point in the future, the number of religious people in a country starts to rise again, and said rise is mainly being driven by a growth of adherents to Islam, then I'd call that replacement, whether it is caused by some combination of immigration, higher birthrates or dome…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 10:44 PM
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No, that is not what I am suggesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 10:30 PM
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First, is English your first language? Because I damn near had a stroke reading your 3rd paragraph. Second, if you're upset about the COVID vaccine policies, like, I'm sorry, but a lot of the resistance to vaccines wasn't really based on fact either; it was just unrestrained skepticism & anti-establishment sentiment. When scientific institutions lacked the information to provide 100% concrete information to the public, people accused them of intentionally withholding information for nefarious re…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 10:04 PM
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I'm an agnostic atheist myself. Can you clarify your statement a little better so I can understand what it is you think I would be offended by?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 09:03 PM
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This entire thread is hilarious with how obviously people are trying to avoid saying the name of a particular religion.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 08:58 PM
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And what is it being replaced with? 🤔 Only atheism and agnosticism?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 07:38 PM
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https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/TXUfxuloV8
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 04:10 PM
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So women = Democrats and democrats want open borders? Don't see that anywhere in their party platform.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 03:50 PM
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Ok...? What made 2nd wave feminism inorganic and what were the ulterior motives?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 03:49 PM
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Where in the "data" does it say women support open border policies?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 05:10 AM
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Oh really? They just "realized" this? I said in the 70s they did. As for the rest of your comment, it just looks like a rant so there is nothing to respond to.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 04:19 AM
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Depends on which generation of men we are talking about. The sum total of happiness in straight relationships is decided by many factors, not just gender dynamics. And even just taking gender dynamics into account, it has gone through waxing and waning cycles of traditionalism, at least here in the US. The 1950's idea of a demure, submissive housewife was actually quite abnormal when looking at the past 100 years of gender roles. IMO, men were at their most unhappy in the 1970s when 2nd wave fem…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 12:24 AM
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I just don't see the demand for it. A lot more people use the trains in Japan and the country had a well-known problem of creepy men on trains groping women and taking upskirt pictures. And when everyone is packed into train cars like sardines, it makes it a lot easier to get away with SA or just generally creepy behavior. Our issues with public transit in the US have more to do with insane homeless men having psychotic episodes. These men are so out of their minds, you'd be stupid to think they…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 05:55 AM
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I thought we were talking about flight seating policies. But if some women traveling via airplane in the West are really that afraid of men on airplanes and want to segregate themselves, I'm not going to stand in their way. Since we've decided it's now OK to compare people with wild animals, then I myself view these particular women (that is, only those women who seriously engage and believe in the man vs bear meme) as rabid animals that need be quarantined as far away from me as possible. It'd …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 05:37 AM
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Let's be honest, this policy was first adopted in India and not in the US for a reason. If you think the treatment of women in the developed West is on the same level as in India, I'd love to hear your reasoning.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 03:40 AM
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As an analogy (which I'm sure some midwit is going to try to nitpick without realizing analogies don't have to be perfect to work), imagine you have a water filtration system. While you have plenty to drink, you're not very satisfied with the purity of the water, so you decide to add more sophisticated filters onto the end so the output water is healthier and purer for you. Now it is well within your right, even beneficial to you, to add those additional filters. But what's this? Now, you are no…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 01:10 AM
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Not sure if that's what you interpreted my comment to mean or you are speaking from experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 01:36 AM
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I have no beef. As I already stated, what I have a problem with is the vast overstatement of the usefulness of female friends to expand a man's social network. Speaking personally, I have 4-5 platonic female friends, and they fail in all 3 categories I listed in my original comment. They're all good people, just very socially inhibited. Their social lives consist of their families, their SO, and anywhere between 0-2 female friends. Some of them will travel across the country to link up with old …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 07:25 PM
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Yes? I like being useful and helping other people. Feels good. Even if it is the case I probably give more than I receive.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 07:04 PM
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For my friends, I've planned events/vacations, initiated get togethers, volunteered to bring food to events, helped set up before parties, helped with breakdown & cleaning after parties, given people rides (including to/from airports), cooked for people during stressful periods of their lives, helped with job searching, pet-sitting, and fixed various things in people's homes and apartments since I'm pretty handy. And I'd say I'm also a good listener & conversationalist.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 07:01 PM
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I feel like people don’t like the friend zone but I feel like female friends will invite you out a lot more, I want to know how the meme of having platonic female friends got to the point where it's treated as some vast untapped social potential men have never considered. The problem I have is that their utility in expanding a man's social circle and skills is vastly overstated from my real world experiences. I have platonic female friends and I'll see them maybe... 4-5 times a year? In order fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 06:41 PM
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More women are just opting out of the hassle The hassle is largely something women are subjecting themselves to. Not always and not all women, but I'm seeing more and more women swear off dating/men because they spent the past few years dumpster diving on dating apps and are shocked they only found trash.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 02:25 AM
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I don't know if you even saw the cast of the season because they definitely weren't selecfing solely based off of looks. As for chaotic personalities? Idk this isn't Love Island where the contestants are all pampered and have access to a fridge full of food and indoor plumbing. Tempers are bound to flare, as they did on the men's side.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 09:34 PM
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If you're a woman, you can basically take any class and you're pretty much guaranteed to find single men there.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 08:47 PM
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You usually won't even be allowed in. I was looking at a list for book clubs in my city and they were all either women-only or exclusively some other sexual/racial minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 08:45 PM
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Really any, but I probably couldn't do any hardcore travel stuff because I don't have a job that allows me to work nomadically.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 08:43 PM
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I guess "reality show" works because you are totally believing it Where did I say reality shows were totally unscripted and real?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 08:41 PM
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What is it that you think I'm disputing? Because I'm only disputing the implication correlating attractiveness and competence. If all the women are hot and one of them is competent, what do you think was the criteria? 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️ Not all of them were hot. The second most competent one in their group was on the older side, maybe mid 50's? After her and the other woman became the designated co-leaders of the group, they started delegating tasks and things started getting better for them. And hone…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 08:08 PM
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I've actively searched for them as well and come up short on any that have a gender ratio remotely approaching 50/50 so... 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 06:43 PM
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Weird. One of the hottest women (IMO) was also the most competent one in the women's group. I believe she worked as a nurse in addition to having done long-distance rowing competitions in her off time.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 06:39 PM
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Yeah, I watched the entire season a while back and the women's group survival decisions were either extremely questionable or downright dangerous. It was upsetting to see because I remember they had a couple of really competent women who were frustrated that they were the ones having to do most of hard work while most of the other women spent most of the day sunbathing and swimming. Bear Grylls is still a media personality beholden to media execs and marketing people. Any bad mouthing of women, …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 06:37 PM
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Cool. If these groups exist then they're either closed for new members or don't do a very good job of marketing themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 06:24 PM
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Probably pre-covid. I'm sure those groups exist, it's just, like I said, you have to know someone. All of those types of groups post-covid that are advertised online are sausage fests.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 05:03 PM
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Any active hobbies like surfing, climbing, or hiking. Of course there are hobbies that are more women dominated like sewing, cooking, and pottery, but I live in a highly populated city in the US and these hobby clubs just don't really exist, or at least, they are not open to men. It's a similar issue to the one I ran into when I was checking out book clubs. Women on this sub giving advice to men think that the more "feminine" a hobby is, the more men should theoretically join these groups due to…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 05:58 AM
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Yea because most 20s men (especially early to mid) can’t support a wife and kids. No, it's because most women that young don't want to sacrifice their independence by getting married. Those pro athletes getting contracts at 21 have no problem marrying their HS sweet heart. Does that also explain why they cheat on their wives in greater frequency too? Not so many young women would love to be in a committed relationship and marriage just dudes aren’t marriage material. Incorrect. See above argumen…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 02:25 AM
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It’s not settling it’s more like changing priorities. They're settling in the looks department. It doesn't matter how they are making up for it in other areas. Imagine a man needs a certain score... No, I don't think I will, because that's not the real world actually operates. It’s not even true that young women are unwilling to settle down The amount of young women that want and are capable of long-term is about the same as the amount of young men that both want and are capable of long term. Wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 01:00 AM
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I'll address each of these strategies individually, since I have looked in and participated in most of these to varying degrees Hobby groups: if they are posted online, they are probably sausage fests. There are mixed-gender groups of people who will go out to do hobbies, but these are more friend groups that have a hobby in common. You need to know someone to get in. Expanding your social circle: Harder than it looks. It almost worked for me twice, but some combination of jobs, education, diffe…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 12:21 AM
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That’s not settling though It absolutely is. because that same woman couldn’t have chosen to lower her looks standard in exchange for financial stability in her early 20s unless she dated much older. None of this matters because most early 20s women aren't looking for long-term either. Y’all Who is "y'all"? Are they in the room with us right now? Can you use more sophisticated, "big girl" words and phrases if you're going to claim you're UMC? really act like early 20s women are rejecting their l…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 11:24 PM
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It's only until men reach their 30s that they seem to want to settle down AND have their shit together simultaneously. Do they? More men do tend to have their shit together as they get older, but that doesn't mean they want to settle down. Assuming we're grouping the undesirable men in their 30s into the "not people" category in this conversation, then there exists a scarcity of desirable marriage material men and a surplus of women who want to get married. The desirable, ethnically acting men g…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 10:23 PM
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So no their options don’t plummet when they turn 30. I never said their options plummet. That would be what a stereotypical RPer would believe. Stop strawmanning what I am saying. I don’t think I said anything about the average woman I just said 30s single women don’t have to settle and often do not settle They are settling. You just seem to have a roundabout way of agreeing with this when you said: This allows women to lower standards on looks since their looks match actually has something to o…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 10:08 PM
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My main point was that 30s women are not “settling” to find husbands they still want to date up like 20s women if anything they increase their standards. 70% agree if she's childfree. 90% disagree if she wants kids. If she wants kids, she will probably absolutely lower her standards in some categories because there is a biological clock ticking. Finances and moral character? Yeah, probably not settling on those. But looks? Those she will probably lower, but not to the point she is disgusted with…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 09:26 PM
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A woman in her mid 20s who wants a quality man her age is surrounded by slim pickings. Can we please refer to the real world we exist in instead of using highly subjective words and phrases like "older men"? A woman in her mid 20s is probably dating slightly older men in the age range of 26-30. Quality is subjective and depends on her looks, status, and financial standards of her potential partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 09:06 PM
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I think there is a more pressing question: What if a substantial % of women can't actually be interested in a guy, at least to the level they would be willing to go on a date with him, unless he is the one doing the approaching? A few years ago, there was a clip circulating from a Matthew Hussey seminar where he said to a room full of women: How many of you have ever been guilty of this: in some form or another you said, "if a guy doesn't have the balls to approach me, that's not the sort of man…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 08:59 PM
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According to YveisGrey, it's easy for women to date and find marriage material men in their mid 20s to early 30s. So since you never married, would you disagree with her on that point?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 08:33 PM
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This entire comment is just agreeing with what I'm already saying lol Nah she really had slim pickings. I was talking about a woman in her mid-late 20s. That's what my original comment was referencing. This woman does not have slim pickings. And I know y’all really want this to be true but most of those men still don’t have the option of dating much younger women. Non-sequitur but also not what I believe. So you can drop the "y'all" even though I know it's hard for you to deviate from the RedPil…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 08:30 PM
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How do these extra anecdotes prove anything you're saying? All of these examples confirm what I already know: that older women, in some cases even women in their early 50s, still have plenty of options to pick from. There's no shortage of younger men who never got much attention with women in their own age group that will settle for being in a relationship with a woman much older than them instead of being alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 08:24 PM
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There aren’t less good options for women pushing 30, this is a made up revenge fantasy. There are, it's just RP exaggerates the degree to which those good options dry up to the point of absurdity. What I'm primarily disputing is that the average woman who wants to get married is waiting until she's pushing 30 to settle because that's when her options suddenly get better. (And I'm defining "pushing 30" here as being 29, not a woman who isn't in her early 20s anymore). You said it yourself: women …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 08:15 PM
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You're all over the place here. First, you talk about when and for which men women are settling. Then you pivot to "Chad chasing" women (am I supposed to assume this is all single women or a subtype?). Then you say women are in no rush to marry average or below average men (are we still talking about only "Chad chasing" women or does this apply to all women? Because if it's the latter that seems pretty RedPill coming from a woman) Can you organize your thoughts and arguments in such a way I know…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 08:00 PM
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Thank you for your personal anecdote, and good for you for thinking you're an exception.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 07:51 PM
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Agree with all of the above, but this is contradicting what YveisGrey is saying: that women are waiting to settle in their 30s primarily because that's when men in their age cohort are financially stable.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 06:47 PM
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Right, which probably means she either wasn't trying or was picking badly. She wasn't "waiting around" until 30 while good options continued to dry up. And if she wanted to date men in their 30s, the best time to have done that was in her mid-late 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 06:20 PM
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I think the real reason 30s women “settle” is because that’s when men in their age range become viable options for settling. Yeah, I don't believe this. Plenty of women in their mid-late 20s get married to men in their mid-late 20s before their career fully takes off. There's a not insignificant ~8 year gap between the time you get your undergraduate degree and the time you turn 30. If you want to get married as a woman, why the fuck would you wait until 30 to settle when there are less good opt…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 05:50 PM
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The only medium for men who aren't very social is bars and online, Nope, wrong. but before online dating it was just bars, right? Wrong again. Or are you going way back to when parents arranged things? Why would you assume the removing of agency from women is even an option? 🤦‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 06:21 PM
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So you think looks didn't matter before or do you think that more people lack social skills now and have to rely on looks more? Looks still mattered before. Looks matter to an unhealthy degree when the mediums men feel they are left with exist only online and at bars/clubs. My super outgoing friends are still meeting people like crazy and my reserved stay at home friends still struggle, "Just make new friends bro" 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 02:32 AM
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Except attractiveness isn't a binary, it's a spectrum. There is reason to believe, as well as some not yet fully backed research to suggest, scarcity can make a woman lower her standards. (But obviously, there would be a limit to how far she can lower them). (If you want the quote in that linked article I am basing this off of, here it is:) men are equally discerning when it comes to the women they'd like to see again no matter how many people are in a speed-dating pool. Their standards remain u…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 10:11 PM
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Because of the rise of pairings through bars, clubs, and online mediums and decline of pairings through mutual friends, starting as friends, or through a third place.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 09:34 PM
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Looks weren't prioritized and emphasized to the same degree they are now. I don't know why you would assume I'd be retarded enough think the emphasis on looks are a binary that are either important or not important at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 07:27 PM
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Pro-natalism is an accessory belief to other right-wing/traditionalist/conservative ideologies you seem to have a problem with. Why you blame the "pro-natalism" movement and not those particular ideologies... I have no idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 05:44 PM
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You are clearly not understanding me if you think my argument is that looks never mattered or shouldn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 05:29 PM
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It is possible to attract people with your personality instead but it takes a lot more socializing. Everyone already knows this. You're not offering any new information by saying any of this. The reason why so many men now believe looks are #1 most important quality is because spaces & avenues of socialization have been slowly degraded over the past 10-20 years. Women had and still have an active role in shaping what the dating environment looks like, probably more so than men. Where women go, m…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 05:41 AM
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Calling women shallow is recognizing their humanity. Sounds like someone is upset their gender has been knocked off their pedestal.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 05:06 AM
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it looks illogical on the surface, but is it really illogical of you dig a bit deeper? Obviously, yes for two reasons: Women have more interactions with men than bears on a yearly basis The inputs a woman is going to use to assess the threat level of a man vs a bear are entirely different.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 06:54 PM
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i don't think it's because the analogy itself was the problem. The analogy was indeed the problem. Most men can understand the physical power dynamic between them and the average woman, but the moment you start comparing men to wild animals, you've lost the plot. The analogy even undermines women's credibility because trying to simplify the power dynamic into "man vs bear" just plays into the worst stereotypes for women, namely that they are irrational, illogical, and overly hysterical.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 07:11 AM
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It has no point and was stupid because it was completely ineffective at sensitizing anyone to anything. It's like we're sliding into an idiocracy where a person with half a braincell could think a few steps ahead to see how a meme would get hijacked by bad actors. And I guess we apparantly can't use adult words like "wariness" or "a healthy sense of precaution". You can sensitize people to issues without being an idiot. Even "Not All Men But Enough Men" had more nuance than man vs bear.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 01:33 AM
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On the surface, I think I'd feel about pickme's the same way I'd imagine women feel about male feminists who are super soy and outspoken about it. There's just a certain air of desperation about them that I think would sour any interactions. And on a deeper level, we'd probably have wildly different social and political views, so we probably wouldn't be compatible. Also, how many pickme's do you think there are out there? I've personally never met one in the wild. A woman choosing to be a pickme…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 01:19 AM
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There was no point. It was a stupid analogy that never should've started.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 01:06 AM
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It's weird you think this is a good counter-arguement. Nice ad hom though.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 01:02 AM
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What motivates people to pursue certain things in this life isn't really related to this post. People do what feels good. People act irrationally especially if there is an addiction to a particular substance or person. We all know this. We don't get to decide what someone else thinks is a value worth pursuing. Of course we do. Our judgments on what we think is worth pursuing form the basis of morals, ethics, laws, and how people are expected to function in a society.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 01:24 AM
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Lol you're moving the goalposts and it's really obvious. Words can be interchangeable in contexts without being synonymous. The slash is commonly used in many languages as a shorter substitute for the conjunction "or", typically with the sense of exclusive or (e.g., Y/N permits yes or no but not both).#XOR)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 01:13 AM
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A slash "/" does not necessarily indicate a synonymization of two words, hon
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 01:02 AM
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This post has nothing to do with nonsexual relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 12:01 AM
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Just because you're getting "something" out of an arrangement does not make the dynamic equal, healthy, or beneficial in the long run. The fact a woman is getting consistent orgasms is a motivating factor for a woman staying in an otherwise unhealthy arrangement where she is not getting what she wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 12:00 AM
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I never said the patriarchy was synonymous with men. Why wouldn't you ask me if that was what I believed instead jumping to conclusions and looking like a clown?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 11:51 PM
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Sure, or just post them admitting their L's on the niceguy sub for internet upvotes.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 11:49 PM
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While feminism advocates for a world that allows women to make stupid decisions, it also gets in its own way due to three core components of the ideology that are baked into its OS. That is, feminism contends to be: anti-patriarchal, asserts in large part we still live in a patriarchy, and asserts the main source of women's suffering and marginalization in times past was due to "the patriarchy"/men In the case of the hetero one-sided situationship, we have a man who is, knowingly or unknowingly,…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 09:53 PM
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Who cares what they want to hear? There are irrational people with irrational states of mind. Telling them what they want to hear certainly wouldn't help them. if anything that makes people double down on their behavior not change it. Uh, no not really. I think this is just what people tell themselves because they're afraid of jeopardizing a friendship.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 09:26 PM
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I know what platonic means, I'm just wondering what it has to do with platonism.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 09:18 PM
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If it’s a personal friend asking for advice I’ll give it And that's all I would realistically ask of women but I would extend that to offering unsolicited guidance/advice if there is a pattern or the case is particularly self-destructive. These random women are still the friends of other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 08:43 PM
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She can't. It's not her fault for the way that he feels, nor is it her responsibility to know or take any action to reciprocate or even assuage his feelings. It is entirely his own responsibility to deal with his own emotions. This is the mainstream take on a man stuck in the friendzone, as well as the take I also agree with.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 08:34 PM
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One-sided situationships, not situationships in general. IMO, a woman finding herself stuck in a situationship when she wants commitment seems to be both a more common and more damaging occurrence in today's dating landscape than a man staying in the friendzone. But as to why it is more damaging, it appears to be a large source of jadedness among young women. I also find there to be an unfair externalization of blame onto men for getting into these situationships, as well as a lack of personal a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 08:28 PM
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even if the choice is being an idiot 🤷🏻‍♀️ And if there were as many women calling other women idiots for staying in the fuckzone as there were men calling other men idiots for staying in the friendzone, I wouldn't have felt the need to write this post.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 08:15 PM
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It doesn't matter, but that's not the scenario I'm talking about at all in this post. I'm specifically talking about the guy who can't handle being just friends, and is secretly longing for a relationship with a woman who only views him as a friend. That guy is obviously mindfucking hinself.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 08:10 PM
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Women don't have to be concerned. But if a woman considers herself a feminist, then I'd be confused as to why it wouldn't be a concern at all, since feminism is concerned with female empowerment and harm reduction for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 08:05 PM
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Where is the contradiction? Staying in the friendzone means the man is choosing for himself not to walk away. Therefore it is his fault for staying in it and wasting his own time.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 07:55 PM
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Would you please google what the definition of Platonism is and post the top result in the reply to this comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 07:49 PM
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the whole wall of text is to try and get people to go “hey yeah- if women are ok with certain situations maybe there is credence to this friendzone stuff!” There isn’t. Why would I give any credibility or credence with the friendzone when I have pointed out several times in my post it is an undesireable and shameful situation to be in? Or dudes don’t understand the difference between an actual relationship and “unrequited feelings”?! Again, proof you have no idea what my argument is. Maybe I sho…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 07:48 PM
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What does this have to do with platonism?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 07:42 PM
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Nope.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 07:37 PM
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the mainstream (and pretty objectively correct) opinion among most men and women in modern Western society is that a man earned being friendzoned because he was too cowardly to ask for what he wanted at the start and probably has poor boundaries for himself. You're not joking, you just have bad reading comprehension.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 07:36 PM
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Cool
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 05:08 PM
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I'm just making an observation on the quality and quantity of proof needed to prove/disprove a statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 05:05 PM
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I didn't say you said men are slobs lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 04:56 PM
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I don't see how this comment proves men are slobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 04:35 PM
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When the malfeasance is not obvious and indefensible (like violence or infidelity), sloth and domestic complacency are the go-to accusations. Or at the very least, the man is interrogated to the point he has to prove himself innocent in not being guilty of being a slob.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 04:28 PM
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Plenty of That doesn't really refute my argument now, does it? Being popular and charismatic is often a red flag, especially the charisma part. Nope, not to NT it isn't. Maybe because you don't consider yourself NT is the reason you're defensive about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 09:23 AM
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Every meetup group, every party, every bar/club/brewery, almost every mixed gender fitness/sports club has more single men than single women. And I've done volunteering and it's mostly just old people (tbf mostly older ladies) no matter where you go. The "single men are all addicted to porn and vidya and don't want to touch grass enough to get a GF" meme has been repeated so often, it's experiencing a Mandela Effect. Look at the demographics of any social spot young people are meeting and the si…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 02:00 AM
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Apart from the fact the study you are linking was conducted online with a relatively low sample size of around 120 women, "Dark Triad" is too wide of a psych categorization to be synonymous with "anti-social". I'm not disputing Dark Triad can be effective in certain circumstances for men in short term mating. What I disagree with is the assertion that exhibiting anti-social traits alone and blatantly is beneficial to short term mating. Dark Triad individuals, man or woman, fake or feign pro-soci…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 01:50 AM
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If childhood trauma is the reason, why do men suffer from ASPD at 3x the rate of women? Because they're more prone to it as a maladaptive personality disorder. Similar to how women seem to be more prone to BPD than men as a result of childhood trauma. What are you basing that on? Personal observation and the fact that there are no studies to suggest large differences between the genders when accounting for outlier personality disorders and neurodivergence. High net worth households tend to be mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 12:26 AM
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You are vastly overstating the gendered differences in pro-social behavior; the majority of those differences being carried by men's higher rates of ASD and sociopathy (which tends to be acquired via having particularly rough & usually fatherless childhoods). If you take a normal, neurotypical young man and compare him to a woman of the same age, the aggregate pro- and anti-social tendencies between men and women are extremely marginal. What you call being pro-social is what most men understand …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 11:20 PM
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The problem isn't situationships; the problem is a lack of self-awareness + a lack of honesty/transparency to communicate how much of yourself you're going to invest in a connection. Imagine if everyone who wanted situationships said, "hey, this thing is only temporary, I'm never going to commit to anything, and I'm going to leave the second I see someone better/get bored/see the smallest perceived slight on my end." You wouldn't have many complaints. The people who wanted a relationship would s…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 01:26 AM
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I mean, if you strawman to the extreme then of course there's an inconsistency in logic. If you’re an older woman still getting a lot of attention remember men will fuck anything, it’s not genuine, don’t flatter yourselves. The last time I saw anything resembling this was in a thread discussing "the wall". There is probably no lack of male attention if you're an in-shape woman in her 30's and 40's who's taken good care of herself... Because men are hornier. Being more horny =/= will fuck everyth…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 03:27 PM
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I think in a lot of cases there isn't even a group of largely single female mutuals to even introduce. The "loneliness crisis" has been unfairly and inaccurately labeled as being "male only". It is encouraged by lonely men who are sympathy farming, and people who have spun the "crisis" into a gendered revenge fantasy, a sort of "comeuppance" for men's collective sins. We hear from people in the latter group that women supposedly have these deep, rich social networks that they put effort into bui…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 04:19 PM
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There's no evidence of infidelity as far as I'm aware unlike Clooney and Bezos (who cheated on his first wife), which makes them unique among celebrity couples. she was young and hot when they got together I just did the math and she was 31 when they first met. 38 when they got married. 31 isn't young according to red pillers.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 10:04 PM
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Pierce Brosnan and his wife since 2001, Keely Shaye Smith, is the example couple OP should've used. There is an 11 year age gap but he's remained loyal and publicly defended her/their relationship after less than flattering pictures of her were circulating in the tabloids.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 08:26 PM
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It's an amoral, transactional, and overly cynical view of relationships. So, pretty similar to pink pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 08:15 PM
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That adds another dimension that needs to be pointed out as distinct in this discussion though. There's wanting to look good for a first date and then there's wanting to look good for your long-term partner who you have already established chemistry and compatability with.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 05:47 PM
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All you really have to do is do it. Do what? I do what I can, but you have to be aware men and women are not playing by the same rules when it comes to attractiveness. I think male attractiveness is more tricky to pinpoint than female attractiveness, with a lot more conflicting information and extra dimensions you have to deconflict, but that deserves it's own post. And I haven't even gotten started on the differences in men's fashion vs women's fashion, but that also deserves it's own post. Cos…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 05:38 PM
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I'm sure it probably feels good to get a compliment from a stranger but I'd be curious to know the reactions of women in romantic contexts like dates where you are spending more time around them and they might actually take notice.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 05:10 PM
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There are dudes in this thread right now saying they don't like makeup on women. Ok, and those men are idiots. Of course men like women wearing makeup. There have been multiple blind studies conducted where men are presented with side by side pictures of women's faces to confirm this. Because at the end of the day, people like hot people regardless of the virtue signaling they do. Yep. But that doesn't change the fact women have more available and socially acceptable tools at their disposal than…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 02:19 AM
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They're not going to lynch you for walking into Sephora. Uh, yeah I know. I used their skin tone matching tool in one of their stores to find a concealer that matches. Think I still have it somewhere. It was to hide a cosmetic surgery scar that was still healing. (Had 3 of those btw, so understand who you are talking to before thinking I don't understand the money, time, and pain it takes to look good). Your balls do not actually fall off if it does not explicitly say "for men" on the side. Lite…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 01:48 AM
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The disparity in effort women like to grandstand on doesn't matter to men because we can see the majority of that effort is directed in using tools and products not available to men. It's like if there were 2 carpenters, one from a developed country with a full set of machinery, table saws, lathes, etc, and another one from a developing country who only had handtools. When women call out the effort disparity, it's like the 1st world carpenter shitting on the 3rd world carpenter for slow and less…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 01:11 AM
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It won't be terrible/bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 03:23 PM
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It's not an issue of clear communication. It's an issue of testing (either consciously or subconsciously) social and emotional IQ. There is a strong correlation with social and emotional IQ and conscientiousness in the bedroom, so scoring highly in both those traits means the sex will probably be "meh" at worst for her and but most importantly you're being judged as safe.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 07:57 PM
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Depends on the woman. I never claimed to have a [unified] theory that could apply to all women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 08:00 AM
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But that doesn't mean they won't try to make it easy. It doesn't always mean that is what I'm saying. Those are variables that need to be considered because they do affect behavior and mask intentions/feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 07:57 AM
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Yes, now explain how that necessarily means I believe all or most women have high and/or the same looks standards. I made no such claim. Do I really need to add "for themselves" or "for each individual woman" onto the end of that statement to make sure people like yourself aren't filling in the blanks to my words when they could've just asked for more specificity?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 02:43 AM
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So women never experience anxiety, nervousness, or any sort of inhibition in any setting when they're around a man they are attracted to? Ever? Do you realize how dumb this sounds?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 02:35 AM
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I don't see how this is relevant to my point or what you're disagreeing with me on. What is it you think my argument is?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 02:31 AM
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Ah yes, there's always at least one in every comment section with a crazy revenge fantasy narrative. To be clear, you have made fun of the "lonely cat lady" narrative some men on here like to repeat, yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 12:15 AM
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I don’t disagree with the fact that the advantage exists, but what would acknowledging that accomplish? It adds glaringly obvious context to an oversimplified circlejerk explaining the "beauty gap" between men and women. The advantage women being able to do more to improve their appearances is the primary major explanation for the disparity, not a lack of effort. Secondarily would be that women are just inherently pickier on looks, and would find a smaller % of men attractive than vice versa reg…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 11:50 PM
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Yeah, if they see a man across the room that they like, then they give IoIs to him so that he approaches. Nope, not always. They may not even like him until after being around him a bit. The guy still usually has to approach first and see if she puts up any barriers to further interaction. IoIs also aren't always clear or very consistent across the demographic of straight women. There's a reason why "I made eye contact with him, why didn't he approach me?" gets memed on. You again chose to ignor…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 10:51 PM
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Men and women aren't so different with respect to the fact that once you pass a certain looks threshold, what matters most is personality and chemistry. The key difference is that for women, that looks threshold is still pretty idiosyncratic no matter what niche you're in. I think the point of contention comes from how much weight you're putting into the associative pairing. Past high school, I haven't really seen it that much, with most couples I know IRL getting together simply because they fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 09:07 PM
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A better haircut might not have as drastic of an effect as makeup, but can still go a long way. ...I feel like this sentence means you know exactly what I mean. Both men and women can cut and style their hair to make it look good. But makeup is doing a ton of heavy lifting for only one of those demographics. It applies to fashion as well. You know what men don't have? All the different styles of dresses/tops with all the cleavage windows and variable length sleeves and lengths depending on what …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 08:44 PM
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Women don’t make it difficult for the men they already feel some kind of attraction towards to approach them. Those tactics that you describe are to keep away the many men whom they are not attracted to. Very reductive, but barely true enough to get predictably upvoted to the top by people who want a quick and easy answer without having to think too hard about what OP is talking about. Yes, women will behave standoffish to men they find unappealing but this is such a banal observation and doesn'…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 08:05 PM
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Women generally put more effort into their looks with fashion, hair and makeup. You wouldn't blame a builder for substandard work if he was only provided confusing plans and primitive tools. But it's apparently acceptable to explain the beauty gap between men and women on a simple lack of effort. 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 07:02 PM
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I almost only ever hear niche maxing being suggested by women which reveals a pretty large blindspot for how dating and attraction looks on the male end. It usually doesn't work because you're still likely to be in NPC territory to 99% of women in a given environment. I feel like a lot of this is just projection of the women's dating experiences onto men. You can slap on the right clothes/makeup and show up in the right environment and things just "happen" for you. Casting a wide net and picking…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 06:59 PM
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To make fun of an idiot hellbent on generalizing bad behavior onto all men...? What else does it look like?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 07:05 PM
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Oh you want me to make a TikTok account, download the app, and call him a very very bad man? With a lot of "😠" emojis?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 07:00 PM
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Well just point me in the direction of these bad men and I will tell them that they are being very bad and should stop doing bad things and be good instead. I'm sure they'll listen.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 06:53 PM
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The only direct response I would have given to this post is a "we know". I'm sure it happens on occasion but I seriously doubt the bargaining and begging for a reason for a rejection is really that common of an occurence. It's not like an entire generation of men clued into the cultural zeitgeist surrounding modern dating don't know what "nice guy" behavior looks like. Or that their name/profile will be put on blast in every women's groupchat or online forum should they behave in any way that ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 05:31 PM
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It might scare off potential matches sure, but maybe there are ways to signal an accelerated timeframe for having those types of discussions. And the timeframe you want to have kids in is only one of many issues that need to be negotiated. I don't know what your material standards are for the environment you want to raise your future child in, but if you are willing to make some compromises in the "white picket fence house" style of raising children, making that known early on would ease some of…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 09:40 PM
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can we help these men emotionally confront this cognitive dissonance and clarify their goals before they become a shitty dad? Not really, no. Once you're at the life stage of having kids, the propensity to change one's outlook on what parenthood entails drops significantly. If they want children, women would do best to know how to spot these types of men first so they can avoid them instead of holding out hope they will change past the age of 25. Women have a much farther reach than men if they …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 08:56 PM
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I think the problem is that the issue of kids is expected to be hammered out pretty early, but without the expectation of having all the auxiliary conversations surrounding what having kids entails. Stuff like: How many kids and in what timeframe? Who's going to stay home with the kid ages 0-5? And after kindergarten years, does at least one of us have a job that would allow for pickup around 3PM everyday? Can we afford to buy a house in the city we're in with a safe neighborhood and good school…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 08:47 PM
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Probably depends on the individual man and if the woman would also be ok with it. Sounds like something that should be talked about pretty early on in the relationship/dating phase.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 07:58 PM
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I think it's dumb for men to admit they want children in spaces like these because they'll immediately get jumped by >5 different women who assume they want a breeder-bangmaid to sacrifice their professional career and their body to do all the work of raising his children, which is an extreme form of shaming that you're halfway already alluding to in the body of your post. Overall I think these conversations are a trap for men to engage in, and would advise any man to carefully consider if comme…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 07:50 PM
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I never once used the word "uptight". That was someone else in this comment chain. You should maybe try reading usernames before picking fights.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 08:23 PM
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How was I sympathizing when my first reply to you acknowledged the men in your mechanic example were behaving inappropriately?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 07:59 PM
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What does the "D" in PPD stand for again? Maybe this sub isn't for you if you're looking for a hugbox.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 07:49 PM
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Look, you're the one who claimed it was the professional environment that restrains men. ...but then earlier you gave an example of male mechanics behaving inappropriately in a professional environment. You were a customer of the mechanic shop, yes? That makes it a professional environment. So clearly this is an issue with particular men or groups of men, and not men as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 07:46 PM
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This comment is a perfect example of why I consider most conversations on this sub to be entirely useless. You have to resort to extreme examples of men flirting inappropriately to prove... what point exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 06:01 PM
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It's seen as an insult because it makes the woman feel awkward and misled. When any person feels like they were lied to or made to feel awkward in a social setting, many people would also feel insulted, regardless of the actual intentions or possible miscommunications of the person perceived to do the offending. So I believe this falls under the umbrella of classic Actor-Observer bias. I wouldn't say it's disingenuous because that would imply the women are saying one thing but feel a different w…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 02:09 AM
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Your question is leading but I generally agree with the subtext embedded in it. Only wage labor isn't a new thing and has been around for centuries. As I've stated elsewhere, there's only a finite amount of time and energy one can devote to life's pursuits. More time and energy being spent in economic spheres means less time towards home, children, and community.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 01:33 AM
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So we agree then. So which style seems healthier for society?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 12:10 AM
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If relationships are only seen as worth it due to the tangibles, then you're admitting you accept transactionality in relationships by default.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 11:55 PM
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I'm not overlooking anything. "Recent" is subjective.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 03:02 PM
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Seems like you've made up your mind. Best of luck in your single life.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 05:48 AM
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You said it was sucky. I implied it was sucky. You then baselessly accused me of oversimplifying without explaining. You've convinced yourself that a prefix I added to word you used about a sucky thing somehow significantly changes the meaning to the point I am being offensive to women who killed themselves? Like... what? Who's the unhinged one here?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 05:40 AM
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We appear to have very different definitions of capitalism. Do you consider yourself a Marxist?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 05:34 AM
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Newton’s third law of physics We're debating physics now? albeit sucky step Ok, so we do agree. The rest of your screed is so baseless and ridiculous I genuinely can't tell if I'm being trolled.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 05:32 AM
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Why would it be reductive? Because capitalism is only an economic system. And defining the late 19th century as "peak capitalism" is begging the question for the rest of your point, isn't it? No, it's establishing some historical context to get you to consider other factors that affect a community idependent of any one economic system.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 05:25 AM
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I can in no way see how that changes the idea because the preface of "over" is adding specificity to a type of reaction. An overreaction is a type of reaction. Since we both seem to agree the "women can have it all" reaction was an unrealistic and potentially unhealthy narrative for women, the slight negative loading by substituting "reaction" with "overreaction" doesn't change the idea much.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 05:06 AM
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Your words were: All that to say the pressure ’to do it all’ is an effect of feminism which is a reaction to patriarchal norms. Is your problem that I used "over-reaction" instead of "reaction"?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 04:53 AM
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To blame the decline of community entirely on capitalism seems a bit reductive, no? Peak capitalism in the US was achieved in the late 19th century, with us undergoing major course corrections and transitioning into a fairly mixed economy by the end of the 20th century. And yet late 19th century communities were stronger than they are today.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 04:51 AM
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Sure, and that probably comes with some inevitable growing pains. The "women can have it all" narrative, as you already mentioned elsewhere here, was probably an over-reaction to patriarchal norms. The particular pressures stemming from that narrative can't be blamed directly on patriarchy, but I am sympathetic to the suggestion it could be indirectly blamed on patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 04:36 AM
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Not really, since being a part of community is a part of being human. Community requires a conscious and concerted effort toward maintaining and growing it. You just said it yourself, jobs take away from the finite amount of time and energy that could otherwise be put into sustaining and growing a community. So when the workplace became open to women, it became a balancing act between three things: community, career, and family. So your complaint stems from the observation that women's time and …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 04:27 AM
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This dynamic predates second wave feminism so I’m not sure how you’re making that connection. The connection I was making was 2nd wave feminism was anti-patriarchal, but paradoxically added an additional aspect of their lives women felt they needed to maximize fulfilment in (careers). So clearly not all pressures women experience can be blamed directly on patriarchy, which you seem to agree with.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 04:06 AM
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Because it’s women who are expected to be beautiful and skinny with no skin flaws, have a full time and help pay half the bills while still doing most of the housework, having as many kids as her husband wants and doing a perfect job of raising them into healthy, well-rounded adults. And all of these concerns can be alleviated by finding a man who finds you attractive and who's values align with yours. Are you saying finding such a man is an impossible task, for you or any other woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 03:58 AM
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Only in the past few decades have women been turning away from marriage, family and kids to fully pursue their careers, and only since the late 2000s has society stopped public outcry against these career women who are ‘too cold to have kids’. Shouldn't the ideal resting point for women more align with the principles of choice feminism so there isn't an overcorrection of societal pressure for women to be totally devoted to their careers? Or is that what you're advocating here?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 03:35 AM
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The communal style of raising children is just another system of dividing collective women's finite time and attention. I.e. If you want that promotion at work, then that's less time for you to be watching your relative or friend's kids, even if you don't want or have any. Women's role was not only in childrearing and maintaining the household, but in making sure a lot of the communal events that held a community together ran smoothly, like organizing mixers or events. I don't think there was ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 03:11 AM
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No, I mean what does that world look like where women are told they don't need a man? Women don't need men as it is. The desire for women to pursue relationships with men isn't entirely a result of cultural narratives.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 02:59 AM
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So it's all men and/or the patriarchy's fault?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 02:45 AM
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So stop telling women they need a man... and then what?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 02:35 AM
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Anything women can do for themselves?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 02:00 AM
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Case by case. If an average sized guy found out his partner masturbates with XXL sized dildos, feelings of insecurity might be a bit rational. Closest comparible scenario for women would be if she found out her guy watches porn which exclusively contains women that look nothing like her. But most toys women use are just vibrators or the clit-suction thingys. You can just use those during sex for more fun times.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 11:01 PM
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It's not absolutely deterministic but it is semi-deterministic. The latching onto determinism is based on a fusion of two well known, non-manosphere phenomena: the "Matthew Effect" and the "Halo Effect". Attractive men people have more opportunities to engage socially because other people are more likely to respond positively to their bids for social connection by virtue of being more attractive (Halo Effect). This greater social experience allows them to amass a larger set of social experience,…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 09:08 PM
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I once knew a himbo that would show up to group outings with a different woman each time. After seeing some of the other attractive guys with less himbo-y personalities get into relationships, he started aiming for something more serious but couldn't secure anything. People eventually start to want what they can't have. And then wonder why it is they can't have it. Hedonic treadmill.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 03:55 PM
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it's justifiable when it's done as a protective measure, not a dominating measure. So would a male employee following the Pence rule of never being alone with a female colleague, potentially limiting her mentorship and career advancement, be justifiable sexism since it's done as a protective measure & not a dominating measure?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 03:22 PM
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But not unjustified sexism Can you clarify on this please? When is sexism justifiable and does it only go one way?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 04:26 AM
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Misandry isn't criticism of negative behavior men exhibit. It's just criticisms of bad behavior. ??? Can you clarify on this please? Instead of going "hey wait that isn't okay I wouldn't like that so why are you doing it to someone else". How often do you think the average man is presented with an opportunity to say something like this? It isn't policing actions or looking to correct it. But if you notice it in your friend circle calling it out. Ok, so at least we can start from the position of …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 08:11 PM
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The foreign concept OP is the meaning of "accountability", what that entails, and what you expect any one individual man to do about it. Some women, not you in particular, perceive the very existence of men mistreating women as men writ large not holding other men accountable, without really thinking through the level of agency any one individual man has or is supposed to do about it or realizing this is setting the bar impossibly high. We had one incident in our friend group where a guy was beh…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 07:58 PM
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I mostly agree with your point, only I wouldn't say it is any man because a small % drew the short stick in the genetic lottery. Also, decent looking = not ugly, but not ugly does not necessarily mean attractive to women. Most men who put in the effort will look better, yes, but will still be deep in NPC territory.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 06:26 PM
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It's not a question of biological parenthood I believe is what they're getting at. The question is more, "would you uphold yourself to same familial roles and obligations to the 18yo as if they were your biological child?"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 01:52 AM
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The type of gay man you are envisioning is a niche within a much larger community. I live close to one of the largest gay neighborhoods in the US, and they come in all shapes and sizes. You only notice the ones that are fit and dress a certain way because they fit the image in your head of what a "gay man" is supposed to look like. Even if what you're saying was universally true, which it isn't, gay men play by their own rules, not women's. There's a reason why most bisexual men and women (and n…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 12:51 AM
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This comment is so woman coded. Effort towards improving looks is going to look different between the genders. We don't play by the same rulebook, and we don't have access to the same tools women do to improve our facial aesthetics.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 08:13 PM
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Different stakes. Different dynamic
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 02:55 PM
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I tended bar for four years Good for you. But unfortunately this doesn't give you any added authority in this conversation since we're talking about a friends-to-lovers scenario, not a bar pickup.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 05:24 AM
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will get rejected without anyone noticing. Lol no. People will notice. And he will get labeled a creep. It’s called learning social lubrication Takes two to tango, doesn't it? The level of confidence you have that the man's actions & intentions in this hypothetical will be interpreted by the woman in good-faith is... pretty unrealistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 05:10 AM
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Lol, you think things are going to stay in a permanent state of flirty banter? 🤦‍♂️ Idk why I'm surprised here. I guess par for the course to project a woman's passivity and plausible deniability onto the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 04:55 AM
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Always found the two to be strongly correlated. As in most funny people I've met seem to be at least above average in intelligence. Wit is basically the fusion of intelligence and humor.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 03:47 AM
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That's great that you think that. But when it gets to the point of making romantic intentions known and it isn't reciprocated, it will be taken as creepy by the vast majority of women. I don't make the rules, I'm just telling you what they are: A woman's feelings > a man's intentions. If a man's intentions don't fit with the story of a woman's feelings, the man's intentions have to be changed in order to better fit with her feelings. That's why the default judgment in every scenario has to be th…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 03:38 AM
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Well it's only not creepy because it worked out though. Creepy is anything the guy does that makes a woman feel uncomfortable. The focus is always on her responsive feelings, not his intentions. A guy could, theoretically, enter a platonic friendship with non-platonic intentions, but as long as she reciprocates? Not creepy. Another guy could enter a platonic friendship with platonic intentions. But if he gets feelings and she doesn't reciprocate? That's uncomfortable for her. Therefore the guy m…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 02:23 AM
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How is the amount women get in any way connected It's not, that's my point. Our experiences are completely disconnected. Recall the two most important rules in dating. Be attractive Don't be unattractive 99% of men can achieve rule 2. However, rule 2 isn't as connected to rule 1 as compared to women. Not being ugly is the bare fucking minimum for men, not the bar you need to clear to start seeing measurable success. Also, 7 is basically the upper limit of NPC territory for men. If a woman calls …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 09:50 PM
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"Ugly hot" was a term that became popularized because of him. Is he ugly or is he hot? Probably depends on who you ask 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 09:35 PM
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Yeah most of these guys would still struggle after the haircut. Like I said, objectively better but not enough to make things much easier for them. I'm sure the solipsism is unintended, but are women posting these glowups honestly expecting a man will receive the same level of feedback and success as a woman glowing up the same amount?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 06:08 PM
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Honestly middle school was more blackpilling than high school. Most of the girls had crushes on the 2-3 guys who were hitting puberty early, played sports, and had parents wealthy enough to afford them nice clothes. High school was when I saw things started to change. The top 1% of guys getting attention expanded into the top 40%, which I was lucky enough to find myself in and gain some experience. Height and looks were definitely important, but so were extracurriculars and social circles. To th…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 05:49 PM
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10x more hotter? Give me a break. It is possible to look objectively better through all those things and still fall far short of what it takes to see any measurable success.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 05:30 PM
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Noted, but I wasn't talking to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 11:24 PM
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The elephant in the room no one will admit is that women hold more power in social groups than men. Arguing for your girlfriend/wife to not hangout with a certain group of people is a fast-track to being single. Even if it's on strong moral grounds, get ready to get ganged up on by her friends about how you're controlling/abusive. What the men are probably lacking in here is moral courage, not empathy. Also, should I be surprised the women here are accepting of a woman's infidelity? Meh. Don't k…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 09:52 PM
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In what ways can a woman's sexual past be "on par" with a man who has used prostututes?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 07:44 PM
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Most men want to be desired, someone who you pay to have sex with you does not desire you. These aren't mutually exclusive though. You can want to be desired but still pay for sex while acknowledging it's a less than ideal substitute. The majority of men who use prostitutes do so because they cannot find a woman that desires them. One of the rare instances an untruth repeated by women actually benefits the type of men they are trying to distance themselves from. There’s that’s my anecdotal evide…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 07:43 PM
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Most men want to be desired, someone who you pay to have sex with you does not desire you. These aren't mutually exclusive though. You can want to be desired but still pay for sex while acknowledging it's a less than ideal substitute. The majority of men who use prostitutes do so because they cannot find a woman that desires them. One of the rare instances an untruth repeated by women actually benefits the type of men they are trying to distance themselves from. There’s that’s my anecdotal evide…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 07:42 PM
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Do the women who aren't transparent about their sexual pasts also deserve to be cheated on?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 06:21 PM
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Anecdata but when I was in the Navy, use of prostitutes was pretty common from young guys all over the attractiveness spectrum. This one guy I knew, 6'5" and pretty jacked, I saw pull and go home with a Jenna Ortega look-a-like on a night out of drinking. He also slept with another buddy's half-sister when visiting this guy's house on leave, but that's a whole other story/scandal lol. This was all during our training. About a year after we finished our training and got our separate orders, we li…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 06:14 PM
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Aspire to a higher level of reasoning and morality than the people you disagree with, because you're going to exhaust yourself when you play by their rules. They're fully aware of the double standards you're trying them aware of; they just don't care and have pre-prepared rationalizations for why it's ok. It's a feature, not a bug of their ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 05:03 PM
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I don't believe in holding anyone accountable for actions they didn't commit, just because they happen to be a member of the same demographic as the offender. I will meet you halfway though and say that, for women, there does appear to be much stronger intra-gender pressure to self-censor when the target of criticism is another woman. Unless, of course, the target woman herself is under accuastion of not being a girls' girl or pickmeisha; then its open season.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 12:40 AM
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Where exactly do they say that? Show me a conclusion in published research or the law that say it is. I'm waiting with bated breath.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 03:52 AM
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What is your defense for refusing to stick to the original topic of the wage gap between men of other races? The original topic was me mentioning that a disparity is not sufficient evidence to point to discrimination. Why are you deflecting and reaching all over the place to change the subject? Because, as I said before, I'm not going to over every type of supposed discrimination for every combination of indentity. We can go in depth into one, as a case study, but what would be the point if you …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 03:46 AM
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Hints and innuendo are useless confessions of adherence to conspiracy. I have no fucking clue what you mean by this but I'm not the one making sweeping heuristic statements about an issue exactly like a conspiracy theorist would. I'm offering to use the gender wage gap, as a case study, for why disparity =/= discrimination, but if you don't think one example is adequate to change your mind, then I'm not going to exhaust myself going through each and every combination of supposed discrimination f…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 03:24 AM
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Sorry, but you're the one trying to oversimplify by claiming a disparity = unfair privilege/discrimination. My counterpoint is that it's more complicated than that. Burden of proof is on you. At least I have the epistemic humility to not make such a reductive counterpoint in another direction. You say a disparity is evidence, so why don't you look at the research behind the gender wage gap, as an experiment, and see where in leads you, partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 02:51 AM
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It takes a special type of stupid to look at a statistical disparity and think discrimination and unfair privilege are the primary causes. Also I never said white men should be a protected class.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 02:22 AM
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Hypotheticals and reality are two different things. If someone would have gained the lived experience, they would have a different perspective. Ok, you don't understand my question so I'll rephrase it: What is the difference between the reality of women behaving badly towards men and the incorrect hypotheticals being given of women behaving badly towards men? Or do you truly believe if men had real world experience they would have no bad experiences with women? And if you were to come across a m…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 08:52 PM
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I didn’t call anyone an incel. You said they had little to no real world experience. But the talking points and the reality of it are two different things. Feel free to explain.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 08:27 PM
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How is that even relevant? So a few points get repeated more often than others and you just decide carte blanche that all the men saying them must be incels who've had zero real world experience with women? How convenient.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 08:17 PM
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You think divorce and child support are the only ways a man can get screwed over by a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 08:10 PM
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Women are coming from a place of experiences with men and men are hating on women they’ve never even encountered. Well that's a new double standard rationalization I've never heard before. I guess it is easier to dismiss the foundation of complaints if you just assume they never happened. Easier than going through the whole DV/rape stats rigamarole.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 06:51 PM
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Fauxmoi is such a cesspit. They were celebrating when rumors started to come out of Giselle cheating on Tom Brady with her personal trainer while they were still together.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 06:41 PM
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Horrible example OP. Should have used this one as it actually is relevant to your title.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 03:50 PM
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figure job opportunities (I assume you mean 6 figure job opportunities?) All of us are beholden to corporations' HR departments and their efforts to keep their company image squeaky clean. And I'm sorry, but that's the reason why porn stars have a hard time getting good jobs that aren't sex work, not because men "have it in" for former porn actresses. Why take the risk when you can just go for a candidate without the history?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 08:41 AM
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I happened to be born in a year where my dating pool straddles younger millenials and older Gen Z (I'm a young millenial myself). There's definitely a difference in conversational skills between the two generations and it gets progressively worse in Gen Z the younger you go.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 08:17 AM
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I mean, their mental health outcomes would be vastly better than had they not had loving friends and family. It will get you most of the way there (and probably act as a strong preventer to self-deletion), but not all the way there. Does it have to be a person who is emotionally attached to you? Does it even have to be a person? Like can it be chatGPT? Yes, yes, and no. AI companionship, (including sexbots) I believe will always be inferior because they lack the status/ego boost of being chosen …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 12:46 AM
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And how does that work? Please explain.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 12:06 AM
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Surprised that people tends to gravitate toward group that don’t antagonize them on sight? No. Just pointing out their autism doesn't absolve them of responsibility and accountability should they choose to be an asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 07:48 PM
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Not mutually exclusive to what I said. Autistic people do tend to be more paranoid and distrusting of people, especially past their mid 20s once they've been screwed over a few times. It's precisely that paranoia and distrust that drive them into the arms of people and groups that reinforce and agree with their maladaptive and reductive worldviews.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 06:58 PM
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Their brains also tend to malfunctiom when you deviate a bit from their imagined simulacrum of what a typical man on here is supposed to believe. Then come the "y'alls" and whataboutisms as they desparately try to get you to answer or take accountability for the wrongthink of other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 06:45 PM
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I love how autistic people are basically immune to bad faith arguments. Not immune to engaging in them apparently. Autistic people have a strong aversion towards social rejection due to a lifetime of missed social queues and faux pas. That (plus not being able to understand subtext or detect nefarious intentions of people who claim to be on their side) is why they are way easier to manipulate and convert to radical ideologies than a NT person. They are quite capable of engaging in bad-faith argu…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 06:40 PM
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Tbf, Old RP died because the reddit tsars couldn't fathom the concept of coexistence with a controlled opposition, not because it was too hard for men. I was on the sub when it still existed; plenty of soft/weak men getting temp bans left and right for "woe is me" rhetoric. When you break up a pax mafiosa, don't be surprised when it blows up your face and accelerates the very thing you were trying to prevent.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 05:00 PM
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I once saw a slightly above average guy show his matches on tinder, and they were all women that were very unhealthy looking. I mean, is it a societal delusion when this phenomenon seems to be most apparent with online dating? The gender imbalance on all these apps skews the dynamic; to blatantly ignore this and call the women below this guy's league his league is just your garden variety covert bullying.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 03:33 PM
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Do you think women have no control over men or are you excluding the assertion of any type of soft power?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 03:05 PM
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It is false. I don't recall the US Surgeon General excluding women in his report of loneliness in the general population, did you? You just don’t want to take accountability for your failures Proof you have no idea what my argument is.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 03:01 PM
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You're marriage is non-sequitur. I don't care. And it doesn't change the fact that what you've said is false.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 02:49 PM
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Poisoning the well (or attempting to poison the well) is a type of informal fallacy where adverse information about a target is preemptively presented to an audience, with the intention of discrediting or ridiculing something that the target person is about to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 02:36 PM
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Why do so many women here incessantly lie through their teeth about the state of women? It's not an exclusively male loneliness crisis. And women aren't just opting out because they're as misandrist as you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 02:30 PM
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If men are suffering, its men's fault. And if women are suffering, its also men's fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 02:22 PM
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You notice women never say that, right. Actually, no. I have seen women say that. Why is it only men who think it's ok to state they want their women to be agreeable and pleasant? The gender flipped closest example you'll find is the rhetoric around feminine energy. As in, "a man must do or be XYZ for me to be in my 🎆feminine energy🎆 💅💅💅..." (XYZ usually being a long list of actions or money provided to her, reducing the man to a walking ATM and servant)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 03:29 AM
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I said in most cases, they won't make a meaningful difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 03:58 PM
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Where did I say men shouldn't try or that it's not going to matter? I said the improvements aren't meaningful, not that they don't exist entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 08:43 PM
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Most glowups are going to look like 2, 4, and 5. 1 and 3 are letting lighting and photo after-effects do some pretty heavy lifting, so its harder to gauge their glow ups. Now obviously these are cherry picked results that take 4-6's to 7-9:s Having talked to a lot of women, 7-9 is being unrealistically generous. The highest rating I think you'll get from most women on this lineup is a 6. Maybe the occasional 7 if they're feeling nice. But 7 and below are still in solid NPC territory. 7 might as …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 02:33 PM
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Are you trying to sabotage men with bad dating advice so you can get more bitches? No. Because I never said men shouldn't do any of those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 02:08 PM
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I think I generally agree with the sentiment of the average woman being more attractive than the average man. But every justification women and bloopies on this sub provide for the "attractiveness disparity" is so lightspeed wrong, I have to restrain myself from writing a lengthy post explaining why. If you gave every man the best grooming, the best fashion, the best skincare routine and products, hell even the best makeup, there'd still be way less attractive men than women. We do not play by t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 05:46 AM
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In theory, I can see why this would be the case, I've just never witnessed it. Concurrent differing standards for two women a man is gunning to be in a relationship with is uncommon. Usually a guy is pretty all in if he's going for a LTR. If instead of Olive Garden you said Becky gets relegated to Netflix-n'-chill and kept in an ambiguous situationship, that I agree with and I have seen. But it's also Becky's fault at that point for accepting less than she wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 10:21 PM
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Men are more replaceable in hetero relationships than women. This makes men the object/product, and women the person/consumer. Idk how anyone could look at the reality of dating and come to the conclusion women are more commodified than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 09:43 PM
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It's a good thing I didn't say that. I just quoted the exact word I had a problem with so a slow person like yourself would get a clue.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 03:33 AM
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No, I just refuse to engage with slow people who collectivize shame.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 03:24 AM
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Ooh, swing and a miss.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 03:21 AM
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y'all Want to try again?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 03:19 AM
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feel like all men betrayed them. I don't think she cares. Collective guilt/shame/responsibility are the name of the game now.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 02:19 AM
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The more women that get screwed over the harder it’s going to be for men going forward. What is it with the women on this sub and the collective revenge fantasies? If men don't treat women better, damaged women are going to withdraw from men! 😠 ...promise?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 02:16 AM
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Rage bait. But if you dig at them about it there's usually some negative assumptions of their character such as being immodest, "modernized", or "westernized".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 07:37 PM
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(not US) kind of important here. Other countries tolerate and view simping much differently than the US. The more traditional, the more accepted (generally speaking). Latin America has a much bigger problem with it than the US, at least according to a few transplants who talked about it unsolicited.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 08:30 PM
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The statements are synonymous. And you'd have to be severely disconnected from reality to require a source for either Unless you don't understand casual hyperbole and you're issue is with the "all the time". In which case, you're probably not popular at parties.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 09:36 AM
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In what universe does the claim of "men break up with women for being incompatible" need a source? At least try to clean up your post and comment history before stating something so absurd. You're a walking stereotype.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 09:00 AM
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I don't agree with how most of feminism frames male privilege so you're preaching to the converted.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 06:33 AM
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And I realized part of the reason I kept crushing on them is because they put in more than average effort into their appearance Obvious selection bias and stereotyping. A fat, ungroomed, and/or poorly dressed gay man wouldn't set off your or anyone else's gaydar. I assure you though, plenty of them exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 06:32 AM
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Both parties need to be willing to be open to a friendship. And broadly speaking, lesbian women don't like men very much. I mean, women in general don't like men very much. Taking away sexual/romantic attraction to men gives them even less of a reason to be around men. There is also a pretty wide overlap in lesbians and certain ideologies that are, shall we say... a bit hostile to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 12:08 PM
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Except you haven't explained how I've proven your point. Sexual orientation is a part of sexuality. Deal with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 11:55 AM
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Is a lesbian's sexuality also surrounded around women?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 11:53 AM
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Ok, I just don't think any observations of evolution, primate sociality, and/or mating behavior are going to tell us anything useful about humans. No other animal species comes close to the time and resource sink of raising a child to adulthood. Not a single one. At a very distant 2nd would maybe be orangutans, which are closer to chimps in mating behavior than bonobos. The role of male parental investment makes humans such a bold outlier in the animal kingdom that any comparisons are essentiall…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 11:52 AM
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Incorrect. My sexual orientation is part of my sexuality, as it is a part of everybody's. Mens sexuality is literally so women centered that you couldn't even properly hear, comprehend, or answer a simple question because the concept of you having a sexuality of your own outside of a female partner didn't exist until you just read this sentence. Sex is a mutual act between two parties. It would be impossible to describe my sexuality without also describing who, and more specifically, what gender…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 11:39 PM
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Hopefully this doesn't come as a surprise to you but sexual orientation is a pretty fucking big component of one's sexuality. If you ask a lesbian, without knowing she's lesbian, to describe her sexuality, it wouldn't be uncommon for her to lead with the fact she's attracted to women. Does that make her sexuality entirely women-centered too? I have a very high sex drive and love mutual pleasure. Being a giver brings me a lot of sexual gratification. I enjoy a lot of teasing and build up, because…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 11:33 PM
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Nothing I have said is proving your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 09:20 PM
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Ok, since you asked... I enjoy sex. And I enjoy having it with women, because it happens that I was born heterosexual. So me being a heterosexual man means women are kind of important to describe my sexuality. Beyond that, anything short of willing and enthusiastic sex is not desirable to me. And the more my partner enjoys sex, the more I enjoy it. So bringing or helping a woman come to orgasm is a big turn on for me, and is why sex with a relationship partner is always better because you know e…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 08:56 PM
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I have been in a relationship before. Maybe you need to pick better?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 08:38 PM
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If you ask a man about his sexuality he will talk about all the things he wants a woman to do for him. You ask a lot of men about their sexuality? That's weird. Men don't have a sexuality outside of women. Gay erasure is homophobia. And in the middle of Pride Month too? Shame.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 06:51 PM
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None of this is true or verifiable. For the uninitiated, bonobos are a common example used to try to prove this because they are the most matriarchal and least violent of all the non-human primate species (humans are still orders of magnitude less violent btw). Females of the species also exhibit a high degree of sex partner choice and autonomy among a long list of other qualities that can be cherry-picked to fit a certain narrative, including being highly cooperative/communal and having opposit…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 06:27 PM
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Why do these completely incorrect and vapid statements get so "yas qween"ed? Are so many women here so eager for a misdirect in their role in shaping society they have to jump onto the most meaningless statements they can circlejerk to?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 05:09 PM
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Every woman would effectively be a prostitute and every man a john.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 08:04 PM
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Nope. I'll just quote her and gender swap all the nouns and pronouns: I had a guy girl friend of 15 years who told me he she cheated on his her girlfriend boyfriend who I met one time and I snitched on him her immediately.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 05:14 PM
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Evolution has been around a lot longer than society. So unfortunately, genetics is stopping us from switching beauty standards. I don't understand how someone can come to the conclusion the genetic component of physical attraction is something you can social engineer your way out of. Are they just uncomfortable some things in life are unchangeable?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 05:09 PM
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My allegiance is always to women lol I had a guy friend of 15 years who told me he cheated on his girlfriend who I met one time and I snitched on him immediately. Feminine community and support is priority. In a hypothetical scenario with the genders flipped, would you tell the boyfriend or would you be complicit in hiding the woman's infidelity because your allegiance is to women?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 03:43 PM
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Most no-fault divorce states don't recognize penalty clauses in pre-nups
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 02:19 PM
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You can if you want. It makes no difference to me though.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 03:44 AM
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I never decided to settle down because I wasn’t interested in what was being offered. What a strategically ambiguous way to put it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 03:29 AM
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As long as the men you get into relationships know they're filling a temporary role, I can't say you're doing anything wrong. But the handful of women I've personally known similar to you came with a strong case of Carrie Bradshaw, main-character energy and tended to be very... strategically ambiguous about how they viewed LTR's with men. To put it not so nicely, they were the gender-flipped version of a fuckboy. And while the men they got with might have been high-value on paper, they were also…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 02:50 AM
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The true bl*ck pill is realizing there is no large pool of single and looking women you can meet and grow attraction over time past college age. OLD apps are just the least shitty of all the shitty options.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 01:02 AM
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Attraction builds through personality and interactions with men. I mean, this isn't necessarily the case anymore, is it? You can't blame men for observing the rise in relationships being started via mediums that prioritize physical attraction over personality and taking notice. It's not that you're lying or intentionally gaslighting about how women build attraction, it's just that plenty of dating environments (geographically and culturally dependent, of course) where what you're saying is a mas…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 05:49 PM
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There is a fundamental difference though between a desire for sex and a desire for intimacy. As I say later on in the thread, if it was really just about sex, they could solve the problem overnight by seeing a prostitute.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 05:26 PM
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No because rich guys can still mistreat you and dump you, so you still have to filter out for behavioral traits, assuming you don't just care about money.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 05:23 PM
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I care about sex but I can also recognize it as being very far down the cause and effect chain of individual circumstances, privileges, and obstacles.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 05:19 PM
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Any amusement is a win in my book. You're entitled to your opinion though.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 05:33 PM
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Its a poor analogy to the original. Being more desired for sex and relationships does not confer the same real and immediate benefits to your life that being rich does.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 03:26 PM
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This is exactly why men get angry at women. You always try to simplify it down to “you just feel entitled to sex” in some form. I said nothing about men being entitled to sex. Women get preferable treatment in all forms? Men discriminated against in all forms? This is hyperbolic. All forms? Really? All of it's a raw deal being a man? Misandry does give women a ton of privileges and power when it comes to sex, relationships and having children. Misandry in fact erodes women's privilege and power …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 03:21 PM
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Reddit does.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 03:04 PM
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We have laws advantaging women in education, in job hiring, in business ownership, in healthcare, in military service, in his domestic violence is handled and more. Outside the scope of this post, but only because I draw a distinction between societally and socially. An example of a social advantage would be being seen as less threatening/dangerous, which allows you to integrate into social groups with greater ease. This may have downstream dating benefits to dating, should they choose to actual…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 03:04 PM
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I said absolutely nothing about bad boys. Don't put words in my mouth.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 02:58 PM
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Not that I don't like MILFs, but according to OP, those are the women that need to be "canceled" and discarded. If that is OP's plan, I'm curious as to how he'd sell that trade to young men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 12:07 PM
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Ok, and what about what you want now in this scenario? Remember, you are the selector now, so best start thinking like one. You might very well be a catch but you've now inherited a very new and different set of concerns and standards. You are also now much more particular about who you find attractive. How easy do you think it would be to find a man that passes all your new standards? Also remember, assuming you want children, one of the many consequences of choosing wrong is becoming a single …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 11:34 AM
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Sitting at 5 upvotes at the time of this comment. I'd say the fact it provided amusement to at least 4 other people is a win.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 11:13 AM
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You’re free to believe it’s not true, but if you can’t make an argument as to why it’s not true then you have nothing to back it up with. Sure. To address your first incorrect statement, men lining up to take care of you and shower you with love and kindness is not the same as men lining up to want to sleep with you. Most men will never receive the kindness and affection that women receive from men because most men do not exist in the minds of most women Thank evolution and biology for that. Did…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 11:10 AM
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Don't flatter yourself. The meme wasn't intended to make you angry.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 10:55 AM
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but you can't just say that men just complain about women's abundance of sexual options. I can, I have, and I will continue to do so, because it is a problematic trend I am noticing. Sue me. When I hopped in this thread pretty early, the conversation was already starting to heavily lean in that direction.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 10:40 AM
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A lot of people on ppd lack sophistication and nuance in their debating Then they should gather some or GTFO. I'm holding men to the same standards I hold radical feminists to. When rad-fems grossly exaggerate and misattribute male privilege, we wouldn't call that "lacking in sophistication and nuance," we'd call that being wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 10:27 AM
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Of course it's well beyond that. And for most of them it's not even that. It's useless currency for most of them, unless you unironically believes wide swathes of the female population use OLD apps as a dick delivery service.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 10:18 AM
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when you have men lining up to take care of you and shower you with love and kindness This is not true. Most men will never receive the kindness and affection that women receive from men because most men do not exist in the minds of most women also not true What does this love of women that most men are biologically inclined to have towards women? What a long-winded way to say men are hornier. And am I to assume you believe wanting to have sex with someone is the same as loving them?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 10:11 AM
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Let's assume the impossible scenario that young women go along willingly with your proposal. Doesn't that not leave any young women left for young men? You don't really seem to be concerned about future generations when you're cursing all young men around the same age as these 18-25 women to a lifetime of singledom. Which makes me wonder, do you really care about future generations & securing traditional values, or do you just want to fuck younger women?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 10:00 AM
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I would assume that people would think sex and intimacy are pretty just 2 sides of the same coin. And I would call those people... wrong. They're not two sides of the same coin. Look at your own example: When you go to a hooker offering GFE, you're getting sex but you're simulating intimacy. People have sex without intimacy all the time. Not even getting into ill effects to the individuals or society, but it can and does happen. Are you really paying for intimacy when you see a hooker offering G…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 09:52 AM
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Definitely in my top 5.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 09:35 AM
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It's not sex, it's just intimacy. If it were just about sex, there wouldn't be an incel problem as they could just visit a sex worker. Inceldom technically has nothing to with sex. Lack of sex is just downstream of not being chosen to engage in the most intimate form of a relationship with another human being, which is a romantic one. Men just fool themselves into thinking it's mainly about sex because, well... testosterone and higher libido,
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 09:32 AM
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At least someone understood the reference, so thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 09:23 AM
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Even though women have other privileges they’re nowhere near as strong or significant as the one they have in the relationship sphere. The privileges are massively overexaggerated. Men are subconsciously thinking, "if I was a woman, I wouldn't have all these troubles in the relationship sphere I'm having now." Men seem to have no problem putting themselves in the shoes of a woman; what they do have trouble with is getting rid of their male brains in such a thought exercise. They can imagine them…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 09:19 AM
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I don't know why you had to go down the race rabbit-hole when you could've just inversed the genders. If encouraging the recognition of privilege is a fruitless endeavor then men shouldn't acknowledge the privileges they have over women either. Feminists have historically been the ones more likely to ask men to consider their privileges, yes? But instead of just accusing them of needlessly scolding and bullying, let's try to steelman their position: Could there be any good-faith reason why they …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 08:49 AM
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You know what's almost equally disappointing is the sheer volume of men that boil women's privileges down to just sex. Like the fact women can theoretically get sex whenever they want is the first and most common GO TO talking point men in this sub bring up. And it pisses me off because any close examination of other social privileges women have is passed over because you've unconsciously primed women to assume any mention of "female privilege" = "dick on command".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 08:38 AM
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<image> I guess we're going with 2 on this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 08:23 AM
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No. This is reductive and you know it. All men want is for women to acknowledge their immense privilege in dating and socializing, Socializing is just being desired for sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 08:15 AM
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I would have agreed, until you made a production out of stressing that “men’s films are about doing things, whereas women’s films” I never said "men's films". In fact I believe I only said "women's films" in a direct response to an incorrect assumption you made about me thinking they were inferior. I believe my original words were there are films that men seem to prefer and films women seem to prefer. Oh? Then why aren’t you chiding and correcting the million men on social media who’ve been whin…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 04:27 AM
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We already established those “things” are purple fantasy, which makes them just as impractical and cerebral as any romance, right? No film is impractical or non-cerebral based only on its audience demographics or even genre. To boil film analysis down to just these two things is a bit simplistic, wouldn't you agree? Let me know when men’s top movies include auto maintenance, remodeling, general contracting, and raising their children. No idea what you're trying to say here, so please clarify. Un…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 03:58 AM
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Your first comment hinted that men’s choices are superior because it’s men “doing things” I did not hint at anything. You read chauvinism into my comment when there was none. Men doing things is the only obvious and discernable pattern observable in films popular with men. Not as opposed to movies that are "more cerebral" but as opppsed to movies focusing on women doing things. Men aren't as drawn to movies like Pride and Prejudice or Little Women. That's it. If you film gender polarization, her…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 02:53 AM
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Your first comment hinted that men’s choices are superior because it’s men “doing things” I did not hint at anything. You read chauvinism into my comment when there was none. Men doing things is the only obvious and discernable pattern observable in films popular with men. Not as opposed to movies that are "more cerebral" but as opppsed to movies focusing on women doing things. Men aren't as drawn to movies like Pride and Prejudice or Little Women. That's it. If you want film polarization, here'…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 02:51 AM
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Why would there be any documentaries in the top 100 for either gender? They don't have the same broad appeal non-documentary movies do. Here's women's top 100 if you're interested. No documentaries either but an unsurprisingly large overlap with men's top 100.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 02:23 AM
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To laugh aloud at your attempt to frame men’s favorite movies as somehow constructive and practical as compared to women’s films. Where did I say women's films are less constructive and practical? Film is a form of art and art is subjective. I would never make such a ridiculous claim. But seeing PPD women continually step on the rake of assuming an argument is coming from a place of chauvinism and then getting BTFO never ceases to amuse me. I provided a source of most watched movies by men. How …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 02:09 AM
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Cute. You mean men doing heroic, magical, physically impossible and utterly implausible things Sometimes yeah? Depends on the movie. Movies tend to show characters doing heroic, magical, physically impossible and utterly implausible things. What's your point? Real rational argument ya got there. In response to your original argument that men prefer hypersexy love interests in their movies? Yeah, perfectly rationable argument. There is no discernable pattern of a "hypersexy love interest" being i…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 12:55 AM
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No, not exactly. Men overwhelmingly prefer movies where the focus is on men doing things and there may be a romance subplot that's either ancillary or nonexistent. I'm failing to see a pattern here
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 12:40 AM
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Most movies in general aren't character studies so that's a bit of an odd bar to set. Would Silence of the Lambs count for you? Even though it's not really a "character study" movie but a crime thriller?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 12:07 AM
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But the idea that women are creating strong social bonds and that is a bad thing is crazy to me. Pretty much no one is saying this. What the OP is calling out is the incessant circlejerking over the talking point that women have stronger social networks because they put in more "effort". It's not a gendered phenomenon; you see a similar effect with kids from rich families attributing their success to merit and not their inherent advantages they are blind to. People are generally blind to their o…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 11:22 PM
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I'm saying in mixed group social settings, there are almost always a lot less single women than there are single men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 07:42 PM
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Followed by in most spaces. I'm obviously not saying single women aren't "out there" or "don't exist".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 07:35 PM
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Why don't women watch more porn if they want to find out what men find attractive? Maybe because they see the medium as strongly appealing to the most base desires of men and the specific design of characters around those desires does not exactly inspire confidence on what they can do better? Idk just a thought... C'mon guys, why can't you just be a 6'5" rich hockey player/mob boss/bad boy who is confident and charismatic but also vulnerable and soft when she wants you to be?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 02:15 PM
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All I see here is a string of wrong assumptions about me and what I'm saying. I guess I'll go point by point: a lot of women are not ‘failing to show up’, rather intentionally choosing to show up for anything else. This meme has caught on in "gender war" spaces because it allows the speaker to smugly remind listeners that women do not have to choose men and that women are pursuing other paths in life. I might even engage with it if it wasn't a ridiculous and extremely reductive take on why singl…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 03:33 AM
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The only thing you can realistically encourage and ask of single women is for them to show up and put themselves out there. But if they are failing to do even that, then we are well and truly fucked. The impasse we're at is because women generally have passive roles when it comes to dating and courtship, it means you can't really expect women to take an active role in solving any issues relating to dating and courtship. As a result, the initiative for solving any problems are largely passed to m…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 01:00 AM
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Everything in this comment reflects my own thoughts and feelings on the current landscape, and is probably the reason why so many men feel like they're being gaslit when receiving advice that is supposed to be "practical" (like finding a hobby or making more platonic female friends). And of course when you point out the impracticality of the advice, the givers of said advice strawman you by assuming you must have thought their advice was a guaranteed solution. For at least half of single men, th…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 12:17 AM
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If these are default assumptions about men, well then I guess OP and the article's presuppositions are right.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 09:51 PM
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Both cinema. 500 Days of Summer has been my favorite romcom after I saw it for the first time over a decade ago. I saw a lot of my immature self in Tom, especially how he idealizes and objectifies Summer, projecting his fantasies onto her, then getting upset when she fails to live up to them. Marriage Story is also good as there are not really any "morally bad" characters, just a couple who become disgusted with themselves after the divorce process brings out the worst in them and opens up old w…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 11:45 PM
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You’re arguing that penis size matters for a woman’s sexual pleasure during intercourse. I’m arguing that a vagina by design stretches to fit whatever goes up there. Your argument doesn't necessarily contradict my argument. So sex with a 3” can be just as filling as sex with a 5”. And for other women that range is 4-6". Or 3-6". Or 6-8". It's case by case and not just about length either. Size still matters. Last time I checked the term “small dick” was not synonymous with a medically diagnosed …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 11:04 PM
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No, it's that all of reddit overcorrected and now thinks having a small dick isn't a negative in any way. In true internet fashion, all nuance is lost and merely suggesting most women would not prefer a partner with a small penis is the same as calling all women size queens. Most women (obviously not all women, speaking generally and taking into account the majority of women can't orgasm from PIV) actually do enjoy PIV and the feeling of it with their partners. Just because the majority don't or…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 10:18 PM
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Ok, so the article says one thing and the chart in the article says another. If you want top quintile medians look at 90th percentiles by county. Threshold quintile, closest you'll get is 75th percentile. Dqydj.com/income-by-city/ Picking Detroit because it is the most average of American metros, 75th percentile household is $139K/year. 90th is $233K/year. Point still stands. $114K/year is not "rich".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 12:15 PM
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What a thorough refutatation to my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 11:57 AM
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Madison Trust Company researchers studied data from the U.S. Census Bureau and compared the median income of the top 20% of the population in each of the 50 most populous cities in the country to see how much money you need to make in order to be considered rich.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 11:44 AM
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You think when I said "single women" I meant unmarried. My god, you really are stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 11:43 AM
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What part of it is statistically inaccurate and how? Maybe be a bit more specific when you're trying to prove me wrong so you don't look dumb yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 11:42 AM
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We doing the single = unmarried now? This should be fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 11:21 AM
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A man has less to offer a rich woman than he does a poor or middle class woman. Or if you'd prefer, a rich woman has much more to lose from a failed partnership with a man than a poor woman. If you'd like to debate either of these pretty non-controversial points that are said by women here on the daily, go right ahead. But that's the underlying principle of my argument. Nothing more, nothing less. No revenge fantasies of spinster cat ladies dying alone, just that. Your supposed "refutation" of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 11:10 AM
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You have absolutely zero proof that women in the upper 20 to 25% of wealth are “single because they refuse to date down”. And where exactly did I say this? Quote my words directly so this entire sub can see how bad you are at reading comprehension.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 10:48 AM
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You do understand the difference between the threshold to enter the top quintile vrs the average of that top quintile, right? Yes. In 2022, a HOUSEHOLD income in the US of 153k is the lower threshold to be in the top 20% while the average household income of the top 20% is 277k. And yes, it looks like your source is using HOUSEHOLD income, not individual income, and is stating the average of the top 20%, not the minimum income to be in the top 20%. Are you forgetting households include single pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 10:41 AM
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So the highest median income on your list is that of a professional degree holder at $114,712/year. This is not rich. This is mildly UMC in rural areas and flyover states, but the wages are also lower there. Here's a source for how much you need to be making to be in the 20% of income for 50 metropolitan areas in the U.S. Even if you think joint incomes are fucking these numbers up, halving all of these stats only gets little miss professional degree holder into the top 20% in metro areas ranked…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 05:31 AM
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Maybe "hard" isn't the best word. Learning an instrument is hard, but with enough practice and repetition, you'll get better and the results will start to show. Dating does have a bit of a learning curve, but only up to a certain point. You can follow all the standard boilerplate advice reddit likes to give and probably still fail the vast majority of the time, mostly due to factors outside of your control.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 01:07 AM
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Source is straight out of my ass but I thought that would've been obvious as my first sentence was a statement of personal belief and not one of fact. That said, "college educated" does not necessarily correlate to wealthy. The vast majority of college educated women are, and will be for most of their lives, lower-middle to slightly upper-middle class. My comment is mostly applicable towards the top 20-25% of single women in terms of income and wealth. To call it hypergamy is an oversimplificati…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 12:19 AM
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It's a stat I've always believed to be highly correlated to wealth/income. Having money completely changes the equation. You can travel as much as you can afford and any other discretionary income can go towards "self-care", fashion, accessorizing, and just living in a more expensive but glamorous area. It's a sliding scale but also self-selecting, as wealthier women are unlikely to date down socioeconomically so are more likely to remain single as the pool of men at or above their level dry up.…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 07:10 PM
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Takes two to tango. Gen Z women aren't exactly the prime example of having good social skills either. I love how this sub likes to pretend real world spaces are just filled to the brim with functioning, sociable adult women their age who are looking for a man, if they would only go out an "try". I understand why. It's a convenient narrative because we can place all the blame on Gen Z men and none of it on Gen Z women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 05:36 PM
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I think it highly depends on the context. I believe white women have more privilege than women who are minorities. I believe straight cis women have more privilege than LGBT+ women. Yeah, yeah, intersectionality and all that... 🥱 In general, I don't believe that women have more privilege than men in the USA, especially with the repeal of roe vs wade. I'm not talking about "in general" I'm asking if there are any privileges you believe women have that men don't. If you want to factor in all the d…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 10:09 PM
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I'd ask him if he genuinely thinks female privilege exists. You don't think it exists in any way, shape, form, or quantity for women?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 07:56 PM
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Three things in life are certain: death, taxes, and men's reactions to male-targeted rage bait.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 06:31 PM
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Considering what you’ve said, maybe that’s how you actually feel. 🙄 Silence is not an endorsement. It just means I don't really care enough to respond or engage, or I think responding or engaging will be unproductive. It's the same reasoning behind why I ignore the vast majority of women trolls on here. And probably why the vast majority of women non-trolls ignore them as well, because they aren't burdening themselves with being the PR reps of their gender. You dictating how I'm not using my tim…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 05:26 PM
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The reason so many people tell men to "police their own" is when men fail to push back against toxic hot takes like this, we run the risk of people thinking WE AGREE. No, this is wrong. There is no reasoning/bargaining with the type of person that extrapolates a minority of toxic online behavior onto an entire gender. They will always find something and then use it's existence as you not doing enough. These people are not interested in fixing toxic masculinity or coming to a common understanding…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 04:07 PM
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Just World Fallacy strikes again.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 10:05 PM
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Where in that article you linked does it say highly educated, high earning? All I see what we already agree on, which is that people with college degrees are more likely to marry people with college degrees... Also what does dating in NYC have to do with being college educated? The overwhelming majority of people living in NYC are both highly educated and high earners. What matters is the gender imbalance. Single and looking highly educated, high earning women outnumber the men. So the men get g…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 11:14 PM
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The actual reality is that a woman’s best bet at marrying a highly educated high earning professional man is to get an education herself and become a professional. We've now moved the goalposts from marriage to marrying a highly educated high earning professional man. There are hard stats for # of college educated married couples; there are no hard stats for the claim you just made. Even so, why do you think NYC has such a bad reputation for being so horrible to date in as a woman? We don't live…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 10:14 PM
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It's assortive mating in action, not men as an entire gender choosing women with degrees are better.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 06:57 PM
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It's just assortive mating.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 06:52 PM
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By choose, you mean "married", right? Women with degrees are more likely to get married because people with degrees are more likely to get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 05:05 PM
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groups like yoga, pilates, etc. Pilates? Sure. But with yoga I disagree, especially hot yoga. From what I've heard there are usually enough guys there to where it's not too awkward. And if I'm being honest with myself the only reason I don't do it is because I lack the core endurance and flexibility to not look like an idiot doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 06:45 PM
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I don't think it happens that much. I don't doubt the older ladies like to play matchmaker, it's getting their nieces, daughters, and granddaughters to show up. I think younger women know older women tend to oversell personality traits so when they hear "nice, single young man" they think of a boring slightly overweight doormat of a guy. Blind dating is just a very suboptimal strategy for dating, even with a recommendation from a relative. There are larger and more attractive pools of men on the…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 06:30 PM
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I hate to be the person to break this to you, but social media isn’t a reflection of reality Gotcha. So basically what I said in my last comment and you're just rephrasing it to make it seem like you know something I don't. We both agree on this, you're just not comprehending what I'm saying. men need to stop using it as part of their hyper vigilant OCD contingency plan they deploy before they agree to venture into the world. Don't see anyone here doing that, do you? I get it, spontaneity is hor…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 05:26 PM
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Because they already post about everything they do socially. If the goal of social media is to exaggerate how social and outgoing you are, you're not going to be selective about what you put on your story, even when its as small as a 2 hour brunch with a friend you haven't seen in a while... which they do post and I can see.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 05:03 PM
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You're not really good at reading are you? Did you read the original parent comment I made about going to a party? You of all people know that people only present a tiny, exaggerated portion of their lives on social media, come on. All the more reason to post pictures of events they go to with their single friends if they had them. Which none of them seem to do. Which means no single friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 04:29 PM
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Did you read the rest of my comment where I said there is no one to introduce? It's not a character deficiency. I can see what these women's social lives look like on social media.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 03:14 PM
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I have. The women do outnumber the men in volunteering. They also far outnumber the men in average age.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 05:02 AM
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I work in a trade. The shitty part isn't that women prefer not to date blue collar (most really don't care), it's that none of your coworkers are women, so the option to meet through work or work connections isn't there. Pay varies a lot; depends on the trade, your intelligence, and people skills, same as any other job.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 04:54 AM
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Sounds like more of a black pill to me but I could see that being the case. Fortunately, I was born privileged in the height and race department.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 04:43 AM
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People love to bring up men lacking close friends, but I'd bet on average men have way wider social circles than women. This has been what I've observed. Most of the women I know IRL are my male friend's wives, fiances, and girlfriends. They have anywhere from 0-1 single female friends, 1-3 coupled close female friends, and a social life that doesn't exist much outside visiting their respective families and the events they go to with their boyfriend. This is why I roll my eyes everytime someone …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 04:41 AM
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Im telling you how many women would likely react to that abstract. Noted. Also noted that you are a singular, individual woman telling me this... Not sure why are you reacting so ferally to that. Strange, strange thread. Not my fault you're reading tone into a toneless exchange of just words on a screen.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 02:23 AM
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Why do you keep bringing up abuse victims? Because you brought abuse victims up first as an authority to support your point. Do you think a man being punched is an abuse victim? Yes...? YOU BROUGHT UP PUNCH. In a non-gendered hypothetical comparing emotional and physical abuse. I am explaining to you how a man punching me would likely have a more devastating impact on my physical body than yours. Hence I would choose the emotional thing over the physical thing. WTF is wrong with you. Being more …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 01:52 AM
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They are not and the only reason you would bring female abuse victims into this conversation as an authority is to make it look like I'm arguing with or against them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 01:06 AM
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An acquaintance of mine just joined a run club that got famous on our city's local social media for being the place where singles meet. I'd go myself but I work late and it's across town to where I wouldn't make it. I just wonder how long it'll take before it turns into a sausage fest and the women get scared off. For as much as our current generation's young women say they hate the apps and the men on them, I don't see them going anywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 01:01 AM
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Got invited to a triple birthday party this past weekend. Best weather you could possibly ask for in our area. 60+ invites, 30 showed. Nothing but couples and single men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 12:42 AM
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They're not related. It's a pathetic and gross attempt to use abuse victims as some weird rhetorical shield. I can gender flip and change the abuse type; a male emotional abuse victim would prefer the other type of abuse as well. Is there a reason I should believe the female physical abuse victim over the male emotional abuse victim? Because if there is, I'd love to hear it. Or you can just admit that using people who are experiencing abuse as an authority to support your point doesn't make much…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 12:26 AM
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Gotcha. Now show me and anyone reading this the connection between... the act of comparing emotional and physical abuse the idea women physical abuse victims should be presented with comparisons of emotional and physical abuse Where did I make any mention of anything remotely resembling the second point? I'm sure you would never try to paint me as someone trying to invalidate the experiences of abuse victims, right? Because how could I say that the experiences of abuse victims are wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 12:14 AM
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That’s a difference w/o distinction. My point stands with or without your “could.” There's no distinction between thinking emotional abuse is [always] worse, which is what you're accusing me of, and thinking it could be worse in certain circumstances? My point is that you felt the need to make an argument that it could be worse. So what? It absolutely can be. My point is more that people seem to be able to engage with the concept that it could be until gender is involved. I am making the argumen…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 11:58 PM
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And it's a good idea to ask questions if you want clarifications before assuming...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 11:31 PM
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That is something men here claim Ok, I don't really care about what other men on here say. And I'm not about to get dragged into a debate that happened over two weeks ago, much less defend someone else's argument I both don't care to read into and isn't relevant to this topic anyway. What does this mean then? Emotional abuse is directed at someone. It would not be a conversation between women As I already mentioned, I'm not conversing with you. Have a nice day.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 10:57 PM
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I didn’t engage in the way you liked. Because you haven't demonstrated you have a grasp of my argument. Case in point... My point was a counter to your “emotional is worse.” That wasn't my point at all, actually. If you go back up and read what I wrote, I never said emotional abuse was worse. I said that it could be worse. Again with the unprovoked incivility. I'm sorry you feel that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 10:48 PM
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Yikes this is hostile and weirdly uncivil. Ok. Feel free to ban me if I hurt your feelings Why propose something and then catch a tone because somebody engaged your thought experiment? You didn't engage at all because it's not a thought experiment. It was an example to support a point, which is that emotional and physical abuse can be compared until gender is involved. Then all nuance goes out the window and comparing or even entertaining the idea that emotional abuse could be worse than physica…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 10:34 PM
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I don't really care what you'd do in any of your made up hypotheticals. They're not relevant to my point anyway. Anything else?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 10:20 PM
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To you? No, I don't think I will. You're either incredibly dumb or bad-faith to assume I would think online debate constitutes emotional abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 10:14 PM
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Every single one of the assumptions you made in your comment is incorrect, both about me and what you seem to think my argument is.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 09:16 PM
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When you take gender out of the equation, there is an abstract "would you rather" concept you can get most people to entertain comparing the badness of emotional abuse vs physical. As an example, I would rather be punched in the face one time than have my entire reputation ruined and ostracized from my friend group. While there's no way to really quantify the abuse, people seem to agree that emotional/psychological abuse and manipulation can be worse (depending on the severity) than many types o…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 08:22 PM
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The sitcoms with the incompetent husband who would pester his wife for sex? Those sitcoms? Both junior and senior years I went to high school my English classes had a feminist literature section.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/24 04:38 PM
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Lol are you her alt? Where did I indirectly blame women? I said the women here encourage it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 07:33 PM
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No, only a minority of unhinged men here drive the most engagement. And the women here encourage it because its the same back and forth dialogue tree with the same back and forth talking points ad infinitum.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 06:46 PM
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It is truly blackpilling to know a person's brain is that broken with basic communication and debate. Refuses to engage in hypotheticals. Refuses to understand examples. Makes the most outlandish, bad faith interpretations of what you say. Me: Women should be careful when using phrases like "creepy vibes" or "weird vibes" to describe specific men because it leaves a lot to the imagination. Her: You're trying to control what women talk about! 🤦
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 05:59 PM
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I'm fully convinced apresonly is a troll. Every interaction with her is like the Man Ray-Patrick Star wallet interaction from that one Spongebob episode.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 05:47 PM
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