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Oh 100%, there's definitely a vicious cycle going on on the apps, but this is kinda why I don't want to comment, your comment indicates a high degree of familiarity with the apps and the burnout, maybe even quiet resentment, that they breed, that I can't speak to.. I will say, it's not just dating apps. We live in an attention economy that is constantly trying to push our buttons - enrage us, make us scared/threatened, etc in order to drive engagement. Just a constant barrage of information, ove…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 08:45 AM
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Ahhh, interesting. You know, a couple guys in my field are doing this as well, but it's typically smaller number of maybe 2-3 tech workers splitting rent to save on cost of living. They could all afford to live solo but due to a prediliction for efficiency they'd rather share rent... Certainly no parties going on. I make enough to live comfortably on my own, so it still doesn't appeal to me, but I'd definitely find those guys more bearable to live with than my old cohort of friends (mostof whom …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 08:36 AM
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That's a great point, and yet when I eat an orange i don't eat the rind, if you catch my drift. The fruit of the person is their art, their good works, and often their personality is just the shit that nature had to put their in order to have a vessel for that goodness. I mean, I know I'm a prick, but that's just what my subjective experience of humanity has been. It's probably negative bias from having grown up in a toxic family, neighborhood, suffer abuse and bullying, betrayed by the one pers…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 07:52 AM
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If you settle down with the “wife material” even though you spent the whole of your life chasing “Baddies” But i didn't because that seems immoral and gross to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 07:26 AM
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single bother Lol. Brilliant if intentional OP. Anyway. Women aren't choosing to opt out ENOUGH - that's the problem. You can hardly find an early 30s woman (my target demo) that hasn't put it off to build her career and now has stage 4 baby rabies. My very serious question for you is - if all what you posted is true, and I'm not saying it isn't, why do so many women keep insisting on wanting to have kids? It's stifling and inescapable, as a dude who just wants to mutually have fun in life basic…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 07:25 AM
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That's what worked for me in my early 20s, solid idea OP. I would never ever do it at this age because having obnoxious sweaty bros beat down my door so I can play smash bros for the 8th time that week, or wake me up at 4am so I can be a body to help them use the hov lane and pick up a free couch from a state away, or collectively blow up the fucking bathroom after mexican night, loses its charm after 30 or so. But definitely for the younger crowd, this is the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 07:20 AM
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You really make the "friends first" pill sound alluring. All that sexual tension and build up.. 🤤
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 07:17 AM
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I'm cool with being stoic and wise and not caring if the plate breaks itself, that's fine. We put too much of our ego and self worth on what other people do. Totally agree there. If "frame" is just having boundaries and refusing to tolerate bad behavior and breaking up with a woman who cheats, then I'm all for it, but usually it's described as a tactic for getting the woman's behavior in check.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 07:16 AM
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That's why I said it's a useful heuristic, not a rule, there will be exceptions for things like dimorphic physical traits that we're programmed to be attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 07:14 AM
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I have that problem myself, but I know it doesn't apply to the majority of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 07:12 AM
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Got it, thank you for the detailed replies. Definitely some food for thought for me. I'll give an example from my own life - my eldest child was an unintentional birth. Prior to that, my stance was "no way are we having children yet". I tried to convince my then-girlfriend to have an abortion, because we had both previously agreed we weren't ready for kids, but once the child was on the way she had a change of heart. Maybe I should have set a hard line and been line "ok I'm not staying then". Bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 07:01 AM
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Reminds me of a reddit post i saw once asking for help summoning a succubus... lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 06:55 AM
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Sad truth for many of them. I would rather stick to VR porn and live a calm stable life than intertwine myself with a woman like that again.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 06:54 AM
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I lean towards your view, just based on philosophy/ethics/wordlview, I don't think a few women's opinion of you should make or break how you feel about yourself. However I have to admit that this poster is not the first one to suggest that online dating is a brutal experience for men. And since I haven't really tried it out myself I don't want to invalidate someone's experience. If a certain proportion of men struggle with online dating that's to be expected, if it's... significantly higher than…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 06:52 AM
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If you have to transfer them resources to achieve parity then idk if that counts as them not having them upper hand though
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 06:46 AM
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Definitely more tongue in cheek, if anything we're the ubermenschen Nietzsche foretold
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 09:04 PM
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Thanks for the detailed reply. It's nice to get a glimpse on how other people really operate their relationship at a nuts and bolts level. I'm torn. I can tell not just from what you wrote but writing style (everything is declaratory, short sentences etc) that you're a very assertive personality type. There's nothing wrong with that per se but my assessment of life is that usually if there's a highly assertive partner the other has to be highly giving, or the relationship becomes brittle. If bot…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 08:48 PM
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Oh yeah. It's a really good idea to put off marriage until you self-actualize and find what makes you happy in life. It's not possible in all cases sadly. The average age a woman has a child at is 27. Probably best to not have kids that early either, although that increases the chance of birthing autistic abominations like myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 08:28 PM
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Mmm, quite possible - although those things aren't necessarily bad or superficial. Depends on the reasoning. A good woman will channel it to build community and have family friends to lean on in rough times, etc. For me I can't muster any interest, I only really have interest in systems, games, art, history, literature etc. People are too... basic? The conceptual draw isn't there for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 08:12 PM
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I'm glad that's working out for you, sounds like a great relationship. What would you do if an incompatibiltiy did arise though? Say it was something you neglected to pre-negotiate when the relationship started, or maybe one person changed his/her mind .. if the relationship no longer feels frictionless what would you do?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 06:31 PM
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Unironically you did a lot! Thanks~
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 06:28 PM
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I get where you're coming from, those dudes are just immature and using buzzwords they don't undestand then. And I agree that it's not a female phenomenon. Men can be very shitty too, that's why I don't support TRP in the end. It is right about the subset of women it complains about and then childishly refuses to move on to the idea that some women are good, because universalized anger feels safer. Tribalism is always safer than the complex, nuanced reality that good/evil exist in (almost?) ever…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 06:25 PM
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Damn, talking to the more calm/rational women on PPD has been great for my mental health
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 06:24 PM
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Damn you need to write a post on that, that's a topic we could use like 100000 words on.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 06:23 PM
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I completely agree that a lot of it was that. Everyone thinks about unhappy marriage and the church forcing you to stay there, social shame forcing you to stay there etc However, there is the positive example of working through difficulties, conflicts, disagreements in marriage and emerging stronger, loving each other more. I feel like this concept gets shat on now and lumped together with coercively forcing people to stay in a bad marriage which is not the case. We live in a very kinda... "if i…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 06:20 PM
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it's just generally not framed as a transaction then
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 06:14 PM
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If you can find it, more power to you. My suspicion is that "so little friction that it doesn't feel like I compromise" is not a realistic aim for most people and some friction/feeling of compromise is inevitable and what's important is knowing how to work through it. I could be wrong, but that's how i see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 06:13 PM
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Yeah I had a feeling you would say something like "process the past" because even to me, it seems like that's radiating from my post. I could intellectualize it but I think the truth is I just don't want to forgive her, and if I don't forgive her there's no way to process the past. The past is just lodged there like a bullet. In a way, it's good for me because it ensures I will never commit the same mistakes. It's also painful and may cause me to over-interpret negative stimuli as evidence a wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 06:07 PM
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Sure, I mean the extent to which a factor "matters" can be malleable, everyone can prioritize different things. Maybe now that there are more options an increasing cohort of society thinks "now I'm free to look for a TRULY COMPATIBLE person". That doesn't mean that dating is hard because of compatibility itself though. People are just as compatible as they were before, just the ability of people to compensate for incomaptibility became a vestigial organ. A choice born out of agency rather than a…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 06:03 PM
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I don't think I am, because I've had relationships with women who met all the criteria of thin, no kids, not a gold digger, etc and saw how her lack of ethics/character tarnished everything, therefore I've adjusted my attitude on life accordingly. I've learned through experience that prioritizing those same things today would not cause me to have a happy relationship. She has to be attractive enough for me to want to fuck her, sure. That part makes sense. But are all single moms going to be bad …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 05:56 PM
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I actually am pretty careful with my use of language so that's unlikely
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 05:52 PM
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Nevertheless, that's a much weaker case than OP was making, no? Compatibility goes from being THE explicatory reason, to just another variable.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 05:51 PM
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A one sided transaction..? Interesting concept, had not heard of it before
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 05:49 PM
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Thats literally why its called branch swinging, a monkey will not fully release a branch until he grabbed the second branch.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 05:48 PM
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I have an ex wife of 14 years, so yeah, it's gonna be hard to tell stories involving her... but because she cheated on me and is functionally dead to me, I guess I'll be able to manage. Honestly the whole thing changed my approach to life, I've had to become more future-facing and less "talk about the past" type person because it's too ... painful is not the right word, but those memories come from a time and place before I knew certain realities.. they're like a different person's memories. Har…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 05:47 PM
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Branch swinging has a specific connotation of happening during the existing relationship. Not let go of the first branch before grabbing the second, etc. If she just breaks up that's fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 05:43 PM
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It's more about the identification of causes, not so much acceptance of the fact that things changed. Things have definitely changed, and new problems have definitely arisen (and old problems conquered). I'm not disputing that, but OP was saying compatibility is why dating is hard. Once we get into causal analysis, that's when it becomes important to compare to the past in order to understand what actually caused what. Metrics seem clear that dating was easier prior to the advent of online datin…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 05:40 PM
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That's good for you, and I still believe there is a concept of shallowness and misapprehension of what factors lead to happiness in a relationship. A dude who wants a chick with double d boobs is often just shallow. It doesn't have to be that deep. I'm allowed to just disagree about what leads to happiness in a relationship and not have it be a reflection on my scarcity or whatever. Honestly, seeking morality makes things more scarce not less.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 05:35 PM
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Everything is probably transactional to some degree. I mean, otherwise you wouldn't have a basis for acting in the world and would sit there and starve quietly until you die. You need some motivation to act. Motivation = getting something out of your action = everything you do is transactional. Even a dude jumping on a grenade to save his comrades is transactional, guy is probably seeking glory or acting on psychological impulse which provides pleasure when he's proud of himself morally... right…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 05:28 PM
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Parent-child relationship bro? Or is it still a transaction because 'my dna strand is successful now'
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 05:23 PM
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I think that part's fine, more concerned about intimate details, oh i did this with my ex, that with my ex.. not necessarily sexual just don't feel like having the ghosts of other individuals haunting my current relationship. There was a dude in another subreddit i frequent whose ex 'accidentally' showed him a picture of her ex's dick. Lol probably a fake fucking story, but that'd be a bridge too far for me. I have a male friend who was dating around recently and not having follow up dates. Turn…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 05:19 PM
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bruh no one would consider the frame "working" then if it doesn't stop her from jumping on another dude's dick, what's the use?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 05:16 PM
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i guess escortpill is the only way homie
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 05:14 PM
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How can you be redpill and think that, isn't that a blackpill/lookism stance? Flair up homie
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 05:10 PM
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Usually the relationship involves fucking prior to commitment though, so the chick has to be seriously mercenary to be thinking "I'm going to fuck this beta a while and then rope him in even though I'm not really attracted to him" It definitely happens but.. is it the default female behavior? Idk bro. Most of them want to be attracted to the dude and then engineer a relationship because she likes him, not because she needs a provider and anyone will do. She could go be a sugar baby or OnlyFans f…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 05:08 PM
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You dropped this bro 👑
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 05:06 PM
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both those guys are some champs, they're crushing it
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 05:04 PM
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maybe social circle game bro, get a friend or female relative to introduce you to a chick
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 05:00 PM
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It all depends. I mean, there are avoidantly attached people who have a psychological tendency to actively look for a point of difference and magnify it because they haven't done the inner work needed to feel comfortable in a stable relationship. Then again there are people who think deep values difference should just be brushed off or stay together for the kids. It's all a spectrum to me. Relationships are complicated =/
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 04:57 PM
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Whether they're reasonable or not really depends on the market... but they're not hypocritical and not OBVIOUSLY unreasonable to me at a glance.. if you put in the hours to go on many dates and look for a woman who's ok with it, I think you'll probably do good? The reason I feel a bit of hesitation to answer is because women really care about stuff like social skills, your network, your hobbies, whether you can bring some excitement to her life etc and place other things 2nd. And you didn't ment…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 04:47 PM
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I think I get our main point of difference - I tend to think about compatibility in terms of already being in a relationship and you think about it more from the lens of dating. The reason I think like I do is because it is difficult to fully know a person just based off a few dates. In essence - you still get to know them after you agreed to be committed/monogamous. After many years, people change as well, so you have to relearn to be compatible with each other. To some degree I think this proc…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 04:43 PM
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Right, but there is a tension between resolving the reproductive issue and resolving the social one, right? Because by resolving the social issue you ratchet DOWN the pressure on men who might otherwise be inspired to do whatever it takes to get married or at least find a regular sex partner and incidentally reproduce with her (a singificant proportion of kids are unintended births) It seems like your focus is more on the social issue, but it's pretty obvious that whoever is making decisions to …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 04:34 PM
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Cool. Yeah I am wondering if women would be ok with that or find it weird I don't want to discuss her ex and claim I'm insecure. It's not insecurity but healthy boundaries imo
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 04:19 PM
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It's not actually good to break up immediately if the issue could easily be resolved in a way that builds a healthier, stronger better relationship. Every relationship has problems and points at which partners become frustrated with each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 04:17 PM
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It's fine to not date most people or break up a few times, but the premise of your OP is that the "reason dating is hard" is because of the difficulty of finding a compatible person, which is a bold statement considering just how easy (your own life proves this) it is to shuffle through hundreds of dating options. It's literally the easiest time in human history to browse through potentially compatible options, that cannot be what is making it hard. People are experiencing more trouble, difficul…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 04:14 PM
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Yes, the past was bad in many ways, but I don't approve of the anti-jerk going too far in the opposite direction of like.. everything is about compatibility and nothing about acceptance of difference and making it work. Any ick an immediate reason to break up rather than talk to each other, work out differences, connect more deeply etc. Either extreme is bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 04:08 PM
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Mmm, i dunno, I just think "most people are incompatible with most people" is a bold statement considering most people had no, or little, dating choice through much of history and yet managed to have as good, or better relational outcomes than us in 2026. The proof seems to me to suggest that most people can in fact, be compatible with most people if they put their minds to it or have sufficient social supports. At least compatible enough to stay married, produce children, work productively enou…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 03:58 PM
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Curious - did you end up finding a good male partner who is ok with your past? Or do you not discuss it? I am considering "minimize talk about exes/sexual history" rule with women going forward. Not that I have a huge history, quite the opposite, but I just don't think it can have any healthy impact or rationale behind it. The current relationship is what matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 03:49 PM
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But even in periods where monogamy was the norm, still humans tended to live in small communities. Urbanization is relatively young compared to monogamy, let alone the concept of serial dating. Or even the concept of dating generally.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 03:47 PM
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As a man of 40, I can say definitely that I can meet hundreds of women (and men, since I’m bi), and I can recognize that I am not compatible with ANY of them. That's your individual experience though, may not be true for everyone. I mean, most dudes aren't bi, so already right there you have something statistically anomalous involving you and dating. I find your argument kind of a self fulfilling prophecy. If you believe you're inevitably going to be incompatible with most people, then you would…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 03:44 PM
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If it's a mass extinction even then wouldn't the solution be to HEAVILY criminalize sex work and MASSIVELY stigmatize male celibacy? Along with porn, masturbation etc. Since sex work is just another outlet that doesn't lead to reproduction Celibate sublimation is, if anything, a much more viable option in 2026 due to the preponderence of good options for distraction, entertainment, artistic expression, or even substitute forms of interaction (you can chat with a female identifying robot now, or …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 03:33 PM
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I appreciate you affirming that it's not unreasonable
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 03:28 PM
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You have to bring this to SOME kind of realistic middle ground though OP. For most of human history, and evolutionary history you were living in a small tribal network or village of maximum 100 people. Of those people, maybe 10 are opposite sex and in your age cohort. So now let's take you in 2026. Say I take a statistically random sampling of 10 women roughly your age.. if you tell me you're not compatible with any of them, then in some philosophical sense... you're wrong. It can't be the case …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 03:23 PM
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Hmmm ... I'll see myself out of the discussion, honestly I don't have enough experience to contribute. Maybe it is more rough out there than I assume. Hope it improves for you bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 03:05 PM
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I agree, although theres a cutoff if someones like "I've been drinking and gambling and doing drugs and whoring around but now in my late 50s i discovered what i REALLY want" Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 03:00 PM
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Yeah ... i mean my friend is a quant working for a major financial firm and keeps telling me im retarded and need to have enough relationships with women in order to achieve statistical significance, so you are not alone in your critique. Maybe i'm over-learning based on one particularly shitty experience with my ex wife
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 02:57 PM
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Lol your mom sounds funny and chill as fuck And yeah, I agree men and women are different. In a utopian society everyone would just have a sense of humor about that, not make a huge deal and move on with life.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 02:54 PM
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I actually agree with you OP until the last sentence "Shame women for their humanity" - usually TRP shaming women for some actual heinous shit like cheating, branch swinging, nagging incessantly or otherwise making a good man's life hell just because instagram told her she SHOULD have a better glamorous life, being overly materialistic and unfair and usurious towards men in general etc. Feeling attraction for other people... yeah I saw a cute woman when I was married, my mind would wander on occ…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 02:44 PM
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It sounds like men have a superpower to not have their time wasted and move on to the next chick rather than double down on someone who is basically trapped in a room with him and too polite to reject him directly Women rejecting you is A GOOD THING - as long as you can make your way towards a chick that actually likes you within some reasonable timeframe. It saves everyone time. If EVERY chick is rejecting you that's different.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 02:38 PM
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I think men have a default "smash your way unthinkingly through life while refusing to change" approach whereas women's baseline approach is more thoughtful and observant and responsive to the cultural/social environment. Women mature faster than men, etc. It's attributable to the y chromosome imo men have higher tolerance for risk, danger and less neurotic personality. Sometimes for better, sometimes for worse. It's sometimes worse for men because they need training to grasp things women are in…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 02:31 PM
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I'll give it a try and report back
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 02:28 PM
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You have to go super all in on anti-boring, peacocking, life of the party, interesting prison tats, manwhore, cheat on her occassionally to spice her life up, game to make that work from what I've seen. I'd rather shoot myself lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 02:28 PM
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Thanks big sis
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 02:26 PM
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nice character arc, kudos
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 02:22 PM
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many such cases
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 02:20 PM
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Live your best life married king
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 02:15 PM
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I got you. I largely agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 02:14 PM
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I mean... There's this like unique, historically speaking, time period we're living through where dating/sex are less straightforward than before. Compare terms like "wooing" and "going steady" to like.. "situationship" and "friends with benefits". Your ancestors would be like wtf are you guys smoking. Combine this with the fact that most of life's other hardships have been solved. No one starved or gets killed by a random plague or lanced by a mongolian steppe warrior in 2026. So dating is the …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 02:10 PM
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what do you think on the subject though good bro?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 01:54 PM
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Yes, actually I had to ditch several male friends because they are obsessed with getting casual sex at an age where I feel it's actively embarassing. Honestly even I cringe at how boring and prudish I sound at times, but it's genuinely how I feel.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 01:49 PM
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I think limiting the discussion to households that do have a father is not great. We should include in the discussion fatherless homes which are at astronomically rates, historically speaking. If we don't factor that into this debate then we are ignoring the true scope of the problem. Anyway- I have discussed this with a lot of dudes IRL. Often the response to "my dad wasn't there growing up" is "Oh yeah? My dad was an abusive drunk piece of shit who beat me up every night" or some variation of …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 01:42 PM
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I disagree, bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 01:34 PM
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That's nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 01:34 PM
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Don't be pedantic bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 01:33 PM
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Observation, personal experience, studies, etc. Promiscuity is negatively correlated with mental health. But if you want a deeper answer - sex is fundamentally an act of connection. Produces bonding chemicals - seratonin oxytocin etc. Involves physical vulnerability. Shared fluids.. there's physical and social evidence for what I'm saying but honestly? Evidence is cope. What I really believe, and what may bother you about me, is that I think sex is supposed to be special. Not just because of how…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 01:26 PM
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Mmm, yeah you have good counter points... I think I just take issue with the urgency which it's framed. OP is saying you should sell your soul to have casual sex which is ridiculous. Its ok to wonder how attractive you are, go out on the town, try to pick up girls, see what your "level" is etc etc - but... sell your soul? Cmon now. There's no way in hell knowing how desirable you are to a rotating group of town bicycle, thousand cock stare, coke binging, slackjawed, instagramming miama club scen…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 01:09 PM
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Most men? Like the majority of all human males? 60% of men are partnered up.. so already right there your assertion has a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 01:03 PM
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ok I get what you're saying now... I don't really agree. True desire = woman wants to fuck you AND have a relationship with you. Maybe she really desires you if you're the casual sex or FWB or maybe she just needs some d and you're convenient and not threateningly attractive and therefore easily forgettable/disposable. Also: women that have lots of casual/FWB are kinda fucked in the head. Just my opinion. You can't extrapolate anything good based on what they think. Fruit of the poisoned tree...…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 01:00 PM
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he literally said sell your soul for it
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 12:54 PM
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im curious OP i don't feel like it was super clear in your post but - WHY do you think men really need to have lots of casual sex? just to get an assessment of his 'objective' desirability? what use can that be to him when it's his specific desirability to the woman he's with that determines his life outcome? hell maybe it's not even desirability but some other trait like social intelligence that actually determines that outcome and gives him halo effect that makes the woman love him more and pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 12:53 PM
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if i can find a healthy egalitarian relationship with a woman i'll come back and apologize to you, but thusfar my experience indicates that if you aren't dominant she will be unattracted to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 12:50 PM
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I don't think men should tie their self worth up into shit like this. You could go to the club, meet 10 women and get bad draws, maybe they don't like your race or something else about you. You go home thinking you're undesirable. Some other dude objectively less attractive to you can go to the same club - chick is on uppers and vodka and angry at her ex and impulsively decides to fuck him despite not liking him. He goes home feeling incredibly validated. If you put your self worth onto stupid m…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 12:41 PM
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I'm not trying to debate them into consensus, everyone can have their own standards and I can continue to believe that some standards are more intelligent and sophisticated than others. A woman who thinks a guy has to be 6" is probably behaving shallowly as well. There's a difference between thinking someone is behaving unwisely vs immorally, the "at least" thing was more about wisdom and practicality than morality. No one has to listen to me, but that's my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 12:37 PM
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Nahhh you're not considering the full scope of the enemy legions Tradcons usually also in the camp of men bad, women good. And they're anti feminist. Horse shoe theory in action I guess. Christian males always going on and on and on about how men need to sacrifice everything for family/kids and forgive anything, any time you see one in action there's a damned good chance he's trying to convince some poor broken simp to forgive his cheating wife Any kind of relationshipfluencer, like any pop psyc…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 12:25 PM
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My personal opinion is that a lot of those standards are misplaced and it's better to focus on if the woman is respectful of you, kind, accepting of difference, sexually generous towards you ie overall good person. Not trying to shame anyone but it seems unwise to exclude a woman who is a single mom but would worship you and be obedient to you, a woman who was a slut for other men will service your cock 3 times a day and remain monogamous while she's with you, etc. It all depends on if the woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 12:19 PM
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Trust me bro I know lol, i've been a victim of it. Just saying it doesn't help anyone's mental health or goals in life to dwell on it as though we can fix it. We can only adapt
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 12:14 PM
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I barely see any feminists left these days online tbh If you were on PPD like 10 years ago every other post was by a feminist
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 12:13 PM
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It would be good for society if both men and womens hypocrisy were eliminated... can we eliminate them? Not really. Look for my other post in here. I mention that mens hypocrisy can't end until they gain sufficient experience. There's nothing anyone can do to eliminate it, stop it for either gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 12:10 PM
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No one's saying you need to withdraw your points, its ok big sis
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 12:00 PM
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For me - I just want a chick who is nice to me and loves me, enjoys having sex with me, lets me live my weird little life where i code and make videogames and be antisocial, and helps me spend all my excess money. That's literally all I require of her. But it took having a really toxic relationship with a woman who was thin, almost virgin before she met me, pretty, ambitious and careerist (so not a gold digger) to understand that having all those things is fucking meaningless if the woman's pers…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 11:49 AM
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yeah... but hey, that's the inevitable outcome of market forces and simpdom men will fuck anything that moves and bend over backwards for the validation of getting pussy. obviously that isn't going to change until sol goes nova and this little planet spins off its axis and collapses into cosmic dust, so we have to just accept that women always going to hold the upper hand in dating. period.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 11:18 AM
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"The bar is in the floor" is a common narrative for every demographic group complaining about the behavior of another group. Everyone always thinks their own standards are extremely reasonable and common-sense, whereas the other side's demands are cruel, selfish and arbitrary. Having said that - a good hueristic of whether a standard is reasonable is whether the person holding the standard meets it. Is the dude who said all that also not fat, not a single dad, not overly promiscuous and not tryi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 11:12 AM
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How much is the FBI paying these days OP?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 10:00 AM
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This make it seem like women are the aggressors. That's not my take on the situation. To me, seems more like men are "quiet quitting" a system that doesn't incentivize their participation. To get someone participate, you do, to some extent, have to offer them something. Used to be that thing was a wife and kids who love you and a stable boring happy middle class future. For a variety of reasons that deal no longer seems attainable or appealing. Maybe the woman will love you long term or maybe sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 08:11 AM
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Lol, as though any of that matters given the impending obsolescence of humanity in aggregate given the rise of machine intelligence
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 08:10 AM
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Hmm Confounding variable complex #1 - self esteem is a symptom of other factors that also lead to success with women. The more success one experiences the easier it is to be confident around them, creating a virtuous cycle. Confounding variable complex #2 - The negative traits that lead to lack of success with women also lead to lower self esteem. Why? Because other people will seek to diminish your self esteem until it rests where they think it 'should' based on your other characteristics. Prim…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 07:59 AM
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Yes OP, society is degenerating into a giant clusterfuck of hatred. It's not just women and men, it's everything. We live in an attention economy. Rage, and fear, fuel clicks better than anything else. That's why attention seeking douchebags with polarizing opinions are increasingly the elite of society - influencers, reality TV presidents, vitriolic podcasters. It's also why society is increasingly tribal. You get someone truly angry and fearful by threatening his 'side' and then another person…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 11:47 PM
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Women with character and empathy and love in their hearts tend to be off the market quickly, and stay off the market. Therefore there's this pool of avoidantly attached, shallow, narcissistic, abusive manipulative leftover women who wreak havoc on the dating market and make it appear as though "all women bad, women mate choice decisions = sucky" when that's not the case. Having said that- I have noticed that women crave some kind of friction in a relationship. Ideally this is the positive fricti…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 11:29 PM
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If a woman has too many icks it's a sign of immaturity. Basically not self aware enough to recognize her internal will to power manifesting as a desire to socially reject, judge and demean others which has little to do with the target himself. Feeling the "ick" because a dude doesn't wipe his ass properly or berates the waitstaff or gets sloppy drunk every single weekend is understandable and fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 11:19 PM
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Bruh what are you talking about, there are so many men around you who would be willing to be your friend. Most men are solitary creatures but if another dude puts in the effort to befriend us and we have sufficient things in common it USUALLY works. For making friends with women.. i have no idea, you could be right or wrong, I don't bother trying that. I think my autistic brain is "too rigorously male" to have a meangingful friendship with them although I have healthy respect for good women. Mos…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 06:52 AM
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Thanks big boss, i got in fantastic shape this year and built a group of male friends. It helped a lot but now I went full hermit mode in order to publish a game ive been working on for a long time. I feel like I want to self actualize (gay term I know) before pursuing another woman. Like fully know who I am and be in a position to do it for a living and be in tune with myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 05:50 AM
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nahhh i think you're projecting
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 04:45 AM
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nahhh i disagree, i think my wording was clear. im not gonna waste time arguing though, you're free to just do whatever. that's the joy of being separate human beings.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 04:40 AM
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ah i see the problem, you think that "dealing with women = hard" is the same as saying "women are all individually hard to deal with" which is not implied by first belief. understandable but not what i was saying. it's hard to deal with a population where there is some chance (not 100% chance) of unacceptable danger, failure, risk etc. that requires mitigation. that doesn't imply all members of that group are the same. just a sufficient portion of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 04:31 AM
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lol i used to argue like that on the internet too some guy posts some shit i don't feel like dealing with and i just go "so you're admitting you're wrong?" it's satisfying as fuck, good strategy. it's good to tire out the opponent by making him deal with posts that don't make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 04:26 AM
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there's no 99% consensus on what human beings believe about relationships, sexuality etc. even if there was that's just argumentum ad populum
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 04:12 AM
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you're right bro, all nuclear facilities have their own quirks and operating procedures, I shouldn't lump them together.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 04:01 AM
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What did help you with your journey good bro?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 03:40 AM
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Experience and wisdom are both important. And it all depends on the youtuber. I know a guy who has his life pretty well together now and is getting a lot of experience with women and he stills talks about youtubers every now and then and their ideas. Dr K, orion taraban etc. He tends towards the more credentialed youtubers not just rando guy talking out of his ass. Just accruing wisdom can be someone avoiding experience, someone JUST gaining experience can be avoiding wisdom/uncomfortable truths…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 03:20 AM
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lol, i also don't get it but for opposite reasons .. if I don't want to get pussy then i have no need of human association in the first place. loneliness happens when you want to connect with someone and can't reach her. in a vacuum, no woman present? then why be lonely. there is always the soulful embrace of art.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 03:04 AM
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anybody that knows shit about fuck knows that you only learn through trial x error in the real world. That's not actually true though. It's MORE true than thinking stewing in your own trauma for years is going to accomplish anything - which I agree is stupid - but there's a healthy balance. You don't want to just go out there and repeat the same mistake over and over and over. Maybe you haven't had the "luxury" of witnessing how truly toxic people and families operate, like I have, but trust me,…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 02:56 AM
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For good women, yes you have a point OP. For good women. Not all women are instrinsically good though. And then there's also a lot of women who are neither good nor evil but just kinda selfish and carry a bunch of unexamined trauma and lashing out at the world unconsciously. Basically her parent's fault but still makes her dangerous Women have agency too, they often use it to hurt people with or manipulate/use them. If a woman doesn't do that then yes I am happy to do the chivalrous thing and de…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 02:52 AM
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Yes. But there is a thing called "now what do you do about it" and that's the part you seem be ignoring.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 02:46 AM
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Sure, you could watch Red Pill videos for 4 days straight without sleeping... Or you could just say "I'm single, I'm sad, I feel useless, and I'm exhausted." in about 5 seconds. The crux of the argument. yes, for a WOMAN you can just vent, process your emotions and move on with life. You may as well. Since you never approach men or expected to be proactive about making relationship/sex happen, you really don't have to think hard beyond just "better mate selection" and how to self soothe when tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 02:36 AM
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Glad you found some peace. Out of curiosity, before therapy, what were you doing to take it out on others?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 02:31 AM
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If you're dealing with a narcissist, therapy and all its concepts become just another weapon in their arsenal to gain leverage and power over you. You're always fighting with one arm tied behind your back when your partner is a selfish, shitty person. You're trying to defend the relationship and yourself and even them, whereas they only give a shit about themselves - it's asymmetrical. Similar to how Batman can never actually kill the Joker. And y'know what? Often (not always) the relationship d…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 02:27 AM
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Nah nah nah, why do YOU care? You posted first mon ami. I just answered your question.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 06:35 PM
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There's 1117 comments and counting on your post OP, my god, talk about striking a nerve
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 05:46 PM
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Haivng emotional intimacy without sex is like drinking ketchup straight from the bottle with no french fries. Emotional intimacy = a seasoning that enhances sex. No sex, no need for the intimacy then. Save yourself time/energy and play video games, or sit there and code in your underwear like god intended. Emotions and sociality are subpar uses of my time
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 05:39 PM
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Yeah that's what I figured. Basically no solution to the problem of shitty families, any solution you come up with runs right up against the fact that the people trying to implement the solution are also evil and fallible. Life is just going to be endless suffering forever basically. I'm fine with that, it's like that for every other species too, so whatever. Why should we be special
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 07:58 AM
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Mmm.. agree with you OP, but imo, the lack of media representation of a healthy couple is not as important as the lack of real-world representation. Fatherlessness rates, divorce rates, are the highest they have ever been historically speaking. Maybe divorce rate fluctuating a bit, but still. The collective impact is VERY bad. I had a tight knit friend group of 5 guys in high school. Of the 5 of us, 1 was raised by single mom, 3 had parents that ended up divorced, 1 had no parents whatsoever and…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 02:20 AM
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bruh i kinda ... dont wanna use that power in this context. lol although, my friend says he gets good results asking women to hang onto his arm so he can bicep curl them so maybe that's one way to leverage it
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 06:17 PM
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Live your best life brother.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 05:03 PM
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As a middle aged dude myself the only reason I would pursue a much younger woman is for sex. It's already hard enough to have a good relationship with someone who has enough life experience to know what she wants and has things in common with you. Throw in an x factor like age disparity.. I mean, it could work. But the whole thing feels kind of dumb and self sabotaging. Maybe if you really think 30 year old women are washed up or awful or something, but I think the younger ones are more likely t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 04:57 PM
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It makes sense given that you're attracted to hairy women. Hairiness and neoteny are negatively correlated
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 04:47 PM
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👼
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 04:44 PM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 01:30 PM
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Yeah really good point. That's what I mean with obfuscating whether she likes you or not. The dirty truth about try-harding, chasing a woman, lovebombing whatever you want to call it - sometimes it actually works. That's why I think men have an instinct to do it in the first place. A lot of times, a woman wouldn't normally give you a chance but if you come on strong and are really enthusiastic and seem willing to do anything for her, she'll be like "ok fuck it, why not". But the effort level is …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 01:24 PM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 01:17 PM
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Yeah, I mean best strategy is always looksmaxx, socialmaxx, moneymaxx (and have hobbies and friends that show that you moneymaxx and have disposable income) and then finally after all those things approach women. Even then you still won't get the tremendous ROI that natural born Chad gets from flirting with women but whatever, life's not fair. It's better than life as a 4/10 subhuman.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 01:16 PM
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Thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 01:11 PM
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Oh I get you. Yeah that's the male version of what i'm talking about. Me and a friend were discussing this the other day - both genders have a version of what we termed "The Ruiner".. It's the guy the causes the 20something women you meet to be guarded or even have a chip on her shoulder, like something to prove, like... bitch you don't own me, i don't NEED a man, you have to EARN me, various forms of femcel idealogy. Why is she like that? It's all a form of transferred revenge/anger at The Ruin…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 01:06 PM
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I think it happens because you go high effort on the first few relationships as a guy because that's intuitive... High effort = show I love her = she loves and appreciates me back. Simple as. Right? Then you get the harsh life experience of learning that doesn't work.. I mean maybe it works every now and then, high school sweethearts who go the distance or whatever, but for most men it doesn't. You're putting lots of effort into the relationship, the woman absorbs the effort, uses it to propel h…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 12:55 PM
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I think that being with a woman and making compromises, learning to value what she does, she learns to value my way as well, we absorb and learn a bit from each other... honestly, it's not bad. It can be wonderful with the right person. A rich shared life can arise from respectful differences and complementing each other. I don't want to go too far into because honestly, I bitch TOO much about my past, but suffice to say, I'm hopeful that with the right person everything we're describing here be…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 12:35 PM
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Yeah it's a crazy move Like if it made any sense to do that god wouldnt need to put hormones there to compromise your reasoning and basically force you to go all in
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 09:48 AM
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damn that's honestly a really good take on why you should wait to have sex
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 08:35 AM
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Yeah, we'll definitely have to agree to disagree there. You are right that an excessive focus on fairness just leads to bickering and arguing and eventually ruins whatever it was trying to preserve in the first place... but a healthy focus on it, can be the thing that causes you to walk away from a person who is essentially a doomed project. For reference, I have a friend who has a similar stance as you. He thinks no one is truly reliable or un-breakable, anyone can betray anyone given the right…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 04:18 AM
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I saw a post a long time ago that stuck with me - it was a guy explaining why he doesn't diagnose couple's problems over the internet. He had a friend, coworker I forget that was complaining incessantly about her boyfriend. The boyfriend was lazy, selfish, a whiner, immature, etc. The guy who posted then happened to attend a party at their house and saw them interacting, live, and came to the conclusion that almost everything his coworker said was projection, that she was the actual menace in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 04:00 AM
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The futures not looking bright for em dash enjoyers =/
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 03:27 AM
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Yeah, maybe arriving at the same conclusion from 2 different directions. Trust me, I WANT to actually be happy with a woman and not just devolve into a cold like... upper class victorian england marriage of convenience where we're ships passing in the night and quietly hate each other. And now that I'm free to get a vascectomy and control my finances 100%, there's no reason for me to be trapped in something like that ever again. However when I date, I'm looking for a woman with ethics. You have …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 03:21 AM
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I havent run a statistical analysis on this but my sense, and i think most people would agree, is that those are small denominations of TRP and someone like Andrew Tate is more representative of the "average" TRP proponent. If someone has a no-harm policy then I'm not talking about them. But I don't think people have even thought through these things in most cases. Just efficacy-maxxing. The equivalent of fighting fire with fire to get even with thots. Btw, nice flair.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 03:15 AM
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Probably cause no one has performed the soothe->insert method on her recently that'd mellow her out
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 03:11 AM
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So why is the expectation on society to fix women's bad partners instead of on women to leave them? Oh yeah I get what you're saying with this. Yknow how something can be 'super effective' in pokemon, it feels like socio-cultural programming - shaming basically - is super effective on women, I guess especially in their formative years. It's why they spend the entirety of their teenage years forming cliques, generating drama, gossiping, etc. It's like cats wrestling and play fighting each other t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 03:08 AM
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this was HIS advice for ME, though
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 03:03 AM
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Nahhh i completely get what you're saying and there's truth to it. I'll just say it's a balancing act and a lot of it comes to the reasonableness of the woman. Is she overwhelmed? Is everything really gonna collapse if i do the dishes my way instead of her particular way? Can she let go? There's a downside to every approach to life and that's part of the beauty of a good marriage, benefitting from each other's perspective.... In a GOOD marriage. I really hope to find a woman who is just more on …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 02:59 AM
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It's an aspirational quote, for sure. I hope you find something that works for you in this world of endless struggle bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 07:02 PM
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I want everyone to have their own autonomy. I wish you good fortune in the wars to come
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 06:36 PM
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you're right, i guess i'm gonna be crawling back after she continually nags me to buy a premium subscription at max volume or starts playing advertisements during sex
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 06:36 PM
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like most new years resolutions this one wont last long
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 06:32 PM
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hmm i wonder if this always holds up like if you go to different countries the dating scene feels different, the way the genders relate and expectations are different, this tells me culture plays a big role in how it feels to date, and the dating country in a specific culture might just be fucked. it might EVEN just be fucked in a way that is specific to a gender i think a gender actually can be collectively blamed for some things in some cases. maybe its rare but we cant completely rule it out
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 06:31 PM
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boomerwaffen Lololo. nice one.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 06:28 PM
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But then this is usually the same story for men who stay with women who they feel do not reciprocate love/sex either. Is it a partner selection issue for them as well? Or is it a nuanced dynamic in where he loves his partner despite her short comings and tries to stick it out as long as he can? Partner selection issue + doormat mentality, imo. Life's too short to love anything that won't love back.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 06:27 PM
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Let me guess, she fought you tooth and nail on actually solving the problems and when all were indeed solved, hit you with the "I'm bored. Not happy"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 06:25 PM
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omg whatever women and dating too complicated im out wake me up when the sex bots are ready
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 06:21 PM
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Only 30%, jesus christ But I mean i am top percentile in many metrics so I guess even then, ill be fine if I can just ascertain whatever criteria identify a good woman 30% is not that big a barrier now that I think of it
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 06:13 PM
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If I could just reduce it down to strategy and utility like he did, then life would be much simpler... but that's not me bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 06:11 PM
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Most men here, huh Sound off in the comments if you only think about respect when it comes to sex boys, i'll wait
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 06:10 PM
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So is there no way for him to easily score a life partner that satisfies him along every possible personaltiy axis and is head over heels for him and is 7/10 pretty and no kids ..?? Youre telling me he's gonna have to put a lot of work into this or something.. is that what youre telling me??? 😨
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 06:08 PM
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I mean fortunately for me one blessing god did give me is the ability to make really good money, so if supporting a SAHM is price for having a woman that basically manages everything (which is objectively a ton of value) and still treats me with respect I would readily pay for it. Honestly though, the whole lifestyle just sounds exhausting to me at this point. I moved to a luxury apartment so i wouldn't need to do the stuff i'm "supposed to be doing" like household maintenance/repairs/lawncare a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 06:01 PM
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Well, what's wrong with the statement? I bet most women would even agree that sex is neccessary but insufficient in a relationship. Like... are there people out here willing to settle for no sex in a relationship?? I'm pretty sure everyone wants both respect, and having sex with their partner and those things don't need to be exclusive. I hope your fam is doing well big sis.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 05:53 PM
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He does, but i don't think it's for me. I want a robotic unemotional cold woman who wants to fuck 5 times a day and then leave me alone to work on game projects.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 05:49 PM
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Ah ok, so its all about risk tolerance, I get you. Yeah i mean he's going for highly educated, high FTO, probably neurotic, women. So it makes sense they would take the same methodical safe approach to dating that they did to life generally. My guy needs to start looking for tatted drunk lascivious succubi at a bdsm convention basically.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 05:48 PM
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Oh 100%, so am i lol
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 05:42 PM
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Hmmm maybe you're right, maybe I have a blind spot. I think us male buddies are maybe better able to tank each other's idiosyncracies since we don't actively want to fuck each other
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 05:42 PM
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Yo you need to give me the rundown on the low inhibition pill I feel like I'm hearing a separate species described. So there are people who smoke AND drink AND have immediate enthusiastic SEX?? What are they like, these.... people?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 05:24 PM
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Seriously? Not even change a single diaper is some next level patriarchal bullshit. I'm not even feminist but that triggers me. One thing I'm super egalitarian on is taking care of your damn kids. They should know both parents love them, if nothing else.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 05:22 PM
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Yeah, sometimes they think it's that. Usually they do. Then later they're like "omfg what was i thinking" but its too late usually.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 05:19 PM
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I believe she wouldnt have cheated if I passed more shit tests, been firmer with her from the beginning when she starts to misbehave, been less tolerant of her midlife crisis. But also if I had been more of a planner and leader in our relationship instead of passive, I believe women find passive incredibly unattractive but lack the moral fortitude to actually mention that and would rather quiet quit the relationship until they gain the courage to branch swing. I believe that mostly covers it so …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 05:14 PM
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men are masochistic. any time someone was like "you're good the way you are bro, just piCk a good wOman aNd bE yoURselF" i'd be like wtf are you talking about, i need to get my ass in gear, this is garbage cope, etc. men need a drill instructor screaming at us to truly get motivated. it took me MANY years to try and make my inner world less toxic so that fluffy softgirl poetic advice like what women get can also permeate my consciousness. you have to be able to see yourself as the prize too. alw…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 05:04 PM
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Bouncing from partner to partner chasing limerance with no incentive to work through the hard/stale times for an ultimately more enriching monogamous relationship, may fall into that category as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 04:53 PM
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I think you're describing a relatively egalitarian relationship where he does some planning and you do other types of planning along fairly gender traditional lines. I'm assuming you don't actually feel like you wear the pants, despite what others may say. I think if you DID feel like you genuinely wore the pants and calls the shots in the relationship the tenor of your post would be different and frankly, you may have problems being attracted to him. If it felt like every major decision was up …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 04:51 PM
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If his idea of happiness was smoking crack or meth or becoming a serial killer would you be ok with that? (If your answer is yes that's incredibly based though)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 04:44 PM
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After looking at the massive amount of analytical bullshit i wrote do you really think that question never occurred to me?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 04:26 PM
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Thanks big sis.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 04:18 PM
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huh? Pm me the secret word bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 04:17 PM
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i don't put up with it, i'm no longer friends with him
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 04:15 PM
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That's a valid take, but to me it's really bold and audacious. Too bold and audacious to be justified by the realities i've witnessed. I mean that was basically the attitude my parents had, which is why they divorced earlier and it's why my mom never settled for any of the stable nice guys who would have made a good stepdad for me but instead pursued felons and toxic evil shitty people who, for whatever reason, spoke to that craving inside her for continual emotional stimulation. Same reason my …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 04:04 PM
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I think even to dark triad types things are worsening, because think about it - if everyone becomes evil, cynical, jaded, selfish and utilitarian (out of self defense if nothing else, forced to do so by race-to-the-bottom) then who is left to victimize? A world of only hardened targets is a nightmare for thieves. Evil is unsustainable, it eventually consumes itself. Only good can build. But the price of that superiority of the inferiority of being susceptible to evil. Evil has all the time in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 03:53 PM
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I know exactly what you're talking about and this is the best I've been able to come up with When you made your character, prior to entering earth, god was like Do you want to be smarter and more moral than the majority of people? And i was like YEAH! Who wouldnt want to be smarter and more moral and a cut above everyone else? Then after like 20 years or so of being on the planet, thats when it finally hits you: this means im surrounded by people who are dumber and less moral than me. That was t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 03:43 PM
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Mmm doesnt think organizing the emperor's legions into battle formation in time to repel the tyranid swarm and procuring corpse-starch rations for other commanders is worthy of a commendation hmm... smells like heresy to me, the inquisition will be hearing of this incident..
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 03:37 PM
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Woahhh lady, tell me you did not just besmirch the honor of warhammer 40k and the massive logistical and tactical planning it takes to 3d print latest gen figurines and look up specs in time for battle night at the local games shop War... dollies?? They're not dollies they're FIGURINES and it takes a superior intellect to wield them properly ok
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 03:23 PM
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power corrupts =/
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 02:36 PM
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Damn..... should I tell him it's over?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 02:32 PM
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Emotional labor doesn't become a thing until you truly blend lives and have kids, because everyone handles their own shit. When kids enter the equation someone has to handle the additional scheduling appointments birthdays, holidays festivities, checkups, playdates etc. Like it or not its an implicit cultural assumption that the woman does these things although its gradually changing. Shit, my first kid, my workplace wouldnt even let me having more than 3 days off because "you're the man, why do…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 02:26 PM
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im gonna use it at work next time something fails to compile on my coworkers machine its just a sick quote. movie worthy honestly
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 01:42 PM
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really harsh... but fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 01:35 PM
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lmao. based
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 01:28 PM
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I wouldn't be able to tolerate living with >1 woman, i'm autistic and women kind of bother me, but it's nice to fantasize about. But you're LIVING the fantasy bro. Keep up the good work lol
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 01:26 PM
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I'll just leave it at that bro i spent enough time on this subject, and I also think you mean well. 🤝
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 01:24 PM
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Incredible flair and lifestyle if true respect, brother!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 01:23 PM
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Definitely a new experience for me, I wonder if I should be flattered..? Lol. Probably just a sign i need to log the fuck off and stop arguing with people on the internet and find something productive to do
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 01:22 PM
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I feel the way you're posting now contradicts your OP though homie
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 01:21 PM
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Good job for being a good dad and not feeding him some simp coded "happy wife happy life" nonsense. I plan to do the same for my sons.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 01:12 PM
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They're not even em dashes, so idk what you're on about lol You need to get better at telling human slop from AI slop
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 01:02 PM
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Sexual strategy is amoral - one the of key tenets of TRP, so I think its strategies are fair game for this discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 01:01 PM
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Nothing he did specifically effected me though.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 12:59 PM
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I've since stopped being his friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 12:58 PM
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Moreso sex in exchange for free therapy
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 12:58 PM
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That is literally how I respond to posts, look at my other comments. I didn't use any llm.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 12:56 PM
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The way men and women treat each other has become increasingly, on aggregate, fucked up. Looking at people inside the actual TRP community, some of what's advocated for - plate spinning, soft harem - stuff that has a high degree of buyin, popularity among the community - is going to make the SMP even more fucked up. Maybe that's not the intention, maybe it's just a byproduct, but it happens regardless. I think on certain subjects - maybe history, politics, law, basically anything involving how h…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 12:39 PM
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lmao i do that too, only i have the urge to blurt them during team meetings or monthly business review
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 11:58 AM
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Honestly bro, if you're an older dude crushing some young puss puss I doubt you have time or energy left over to listen to what some nagging harridans on reddit have to say and even if you did it can't permeate the 48 inch thick steel wall of permanent happiness surrounding your well-sexed, satisifed brain
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 11:57 AM
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I stopped talking to him. Not because of that part of his personality specifically but because I figure he's cheating on his wife (even though he was careful - too careful - to not give me any direct evidence of that) and after my ex wife cheated on me I have a huge distaste and aversion to cheaters.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 11:54 AM
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Thanks for the detailed reply bro. I think my point of disagreement is this: There's a huge difference between what the sidebar material is.. or more aptly, what the sum total knowledge that constitutes TRP is, and TRP as a community. I think if you don't conduct any analysis whatsoever of TRP as a community, and only focus on the knowledge portion, it's disingenuous. The majority of self identified redpillers are going to advocate for a very specific set of attitudes, relationships structures, …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 11:47 AM
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Time will tell bro, I'm still not even ready to date. I have a lot of self improvement, self actualization goals (I know those are vomit worthy terms but whatever). I'm trying to publish my first game this year, I'm grinding for promotion, clearing debts left over from my shitty marriage... but it's nice to shoot the shit with people online and kinda stress test my conceptual framework around dating. Appreciate your input.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 11:23 AM
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I am confident that god made me a pessismistic sourpuss piece of shit for a reason, if confident in nothing else. I'm not gonna question his wisdom in making me this way, I will go through the forums making peoples lives less pleasant for no reason like Diogenes. If the fates didnt want that, they shouldnt have put a yearning to do it in my heart
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 11:19 AM
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I know this dude who is extremely redpilled and extremely successful with women. He is the TRP end product. Does mma, high paying/high power job, gender traditional, dominant, socially competent, the leader of his friend group, in great shape, etc etc. I doubt he's ever heard of TRP, he is what they call a natural. Guy has run through probably 100s of women in his life. I have personally witnessed him number-close several attractive women in a single day. Anyway - after hearing about my divorce,…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 11:11 AM
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Crazy accurate flair
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 10:28 AM
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Yeah you're the type of woman i'm referring to basically. I think a smart, quality woman with her wits about her will play it somewhat close to the vest even if she is super attracted to you. This is 2026 the dating market is a fucking shark tank. I think my friend is potentially weeding out good women with his approach. I'll probably talk with him although he's about as stubborn as me so it's unlikely to have any effect lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 10:24 AM
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He's in his late 30s and looking to date seriously and I think that's why he's avoiding any too-high age disparity. He really wants to find a long term, quality match. I'm with you though, I think cast a wider net = more results to choose from = can afford to discard the less interested people. Small net + super selective doesn't feel right to me. I would definitely want the girls to be into me, personally, but I'm also wary of any woman that lacks intelligence/self-control to temper herself dur…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 10:21 AM
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There are a few enlightened women on this sub that acknowledge male problems, I've talked to them and it's unironically amazing for my mental health. I wouldn't try broaching these subjects with women IRL until you have felt them out to some degree because some will explode on you for going against the societal narrative, others will just quietly laught at you/scorn you/ruin your reputation, etc. And 1000% don't mention any of this shit with a woman you have any intention of sleeping with; for h…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 10:10 AM
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Even if they acknowledge the power imbalance there's nothing they can do about it. Men will still be driven by thirst and dogpile any available, remotely attractive woman. I work in a 90% male industry. A female colleague, who is about 7/10 in looks, let it be known that she broke up with her boyfriend. I asked her how many dudes from our workplace asked her out afterward, it was literally double digits. So even if women were perfect angels, just the sheer competition and thirst from other men i…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 09:46 AM
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Dude my friend said it's horrible to speak to me because i'm so pessimistic lol Well I at least don't broadcast it verbally every second but people can sense my vibe.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 09:29 AM
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Sheeeit you had me for the first part but the second half kinda threw me
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 09:23 AM
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Damn thank you for the post. Some raw honesty over here. I admire your ability to play it close to the vest. Seems very useful.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 09:20 AM
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nahhh you're smart, i can see that. lol tbh i barely feel any desire to talk to you because i presume that you are already going to understand everything i have to say and vice versa, it's weird i have a friend at work who i feel similar about, we usually cut each other off mid sentence because we already know what the other is going to say. we're great colleagues but communication very fast and optimal/barebones between us. we have to slow it down around the normies
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 09:17 AM
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I worry about this for myself. Who are they after the limerance fades? For my friend, I think he's assuming high initial investment will just naturally lead to a better outcome throughout the relationship. Ie if she likes you enough to be crazy about you initially, she'll still like you enough to at least not make your life miserable later.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 09:06 AM
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Thanks for the update bro. But I mean, that's life, particular people come and go in a movement. The question is whether new people show up with new ideas conitnually, that's what gives a movement it's staying power. MGTOW and TRP are kinda dated, people moved on to the black pill, tradcon christian masculinity, and even passport bro is bigger than it used to be. TRP mostly lives on youtube among young black dating coaches now. MGTOW i see almost no new content anywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 08:51 AM
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Sure. There's definitely a race to the bottom going on currently.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 08:50 AM
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Brother I hope the fates are kind and send you a unicorn and you get to just be yourself and have a chill awesome life
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 08:48 AM
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ohhhhh nooooo no escape from the work? that what you're saying? i can't just order someone to love me like off uber eats...? fml
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 08:27 AM
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can't you just arrange a marriage for me, aunt?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 08:22 AM
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high five for averting a shitty pointless argument lol 🙌
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 08:21 AM
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im not about to try it yet, my career arc should take me top 1% within a few years and i may start at that time depending on how i feel and my experiences in dating. im also waiting for young kids to grow up somewhat so i have more free time. thanks for the advice my bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 08:12 AM
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Damn bro you just give me high IQ vibes, random question but have you had an IQ test? Are you genius level? Serious question, just based on the few exchanges we've had I feel like you have a very high abstraction mode of thinking
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 08:10 AM
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i place most of my hopes in the idea of superior machine intelligence picking up where we left off
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 08:09 AM
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I guess I'm already well on my way to that, so...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 08:06 AM
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It IS just a sugar baby dynamic then though... right? I'm at top 5% income for my area elder bro. I'm working hard to try and be rich and obviate the need to care about womens thoughts and feelings~~~
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 08:05 AM
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Agree to disagree there. Imo religion often seeks to reinforce good things that were already there, for example, honor thy father and thy mother.. people have a natural desire to do that even in absence of religion. Just that religion identified it as particularly important. Religion often sucks and misguided though. It all depends. Not trying to meatride religion too hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 08:05 AM
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you neurodivergent too bro? I ask because me and my friends on the spectrum have this same discussion allllllllllllll the time. Like if we could push a button and make everyone's thoughts psychically connected to everyone else so lying is no longer possible, would the result be a utopia? We generally think yes, because people would eventually adapt to honesty and no more insecurity, deceit, bad things... Plus like. Just imagine you're sitting near a chick on the bus and overhear her thoughts "th…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 08:03 AM
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men demanding women to be good looking and be sexually ready everytime Lol. I mean, I guess i have no idea what life is like for an upper echelon male but I'm having a hard time picturing someone saying this and the chick just nodding or whatever. Can it really happen like that redpill bro? In a non sugaring dynamic?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 08:01 AM
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Bro im strapped in for this argument, this is gonna be good
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 07:59 AM
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I fucking wish bro The efficiency gains throughout society would be sick
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 07:57 AM
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Nah. Too inefficient. Have to streamline and standardize the process, it's what I do.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 07:53 AM
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I place my optimism in technology. It's the only aspect of human existence that continually improves. Culture - hence, human behavior in aggregate - is more like a sin wave. There's a reason I prefer computers to humans. Cybernetic AI powered wives are not far away now.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 07:52 AM
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I actually don't think humans have changed much in the past thousand years or so let alone decades. They already had transgender shamans walking around north america couple hundred years ago. Being gay was more accepted in say, ancient greece or feudal japan than it is today. Women had more equality in neolithic tribes than they do today, arguably (no money to have a pay gap with). I think things move around a lot but nothing ever actually changes.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 07:48 AM
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I actually don't think it's that he's unattractive, I think it's that he's trying to hold out for an unrealistic level of immediate emotional investment from the women... I could be wrong though.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 07:47 AM
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Human beings are a complex and diverse and mentally plastic lot, and exceptions exist to every rule - that does not obviate the rule, or the basis for the rule. The phenomena I describe and its deep roots in not just human nature, but the nature of reality itself, may not apply to you personally, but it applies to human beings sufficient to the point where your preferred lifestyle is uncommon. Wanting your partner to not fuck someone else is an essentially healthy impulse - the fact that some sm…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 07:42 AM
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and you missed the part right after that said "while women" ....? With respect, I'm not wasting any further time here lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 07:10 AM
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Thanks for the perspective. I get the benefit of seeing whether his approach works out in practice. He's a good friend for me to have.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 07:09 AM
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There is a unique, emotive, psycho-socio-sexual bonding that happens between a man and a woman who agree to be only with each other. It exists not just conceptually, but as an important (perhaps the most important?) implicit and explicit aspect of human existence at several strata - biological (bonding chemicals/hormones in the brain), emotional, cultural, social. Spiritual too, if you allow for that sort of thing. In fact, the ability to form these pairings might be what sets humanity apart fro…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 06:56 AM
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huh? Nothing in the OP's post or my post was about men or women specifically
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 06:34 AM
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nahhh i would just write it from my pov if this was about me. its all anonymous anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 06:33 AM
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I'm stealing your idea bro. I'm gonna author a book on the P.I.L.E. method. (Pussy Insertion Lacking in Emotion)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 06:25 AM
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Damn. Life becomes almost comically straightforward when you're strictly utilitarian. No hurt feelings, no frustrations, no expectations, just adaptation to stimuli and swift replacement of subpar materials. I wish I could be like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 06:23 AM
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holy shit, you still post? i remember seeing you here years ago on a previous account.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 06:22 AM
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Yeah. I mean it can go too far in the opposite direction too where everything is threatening to your partner and it's suffocating, but the anti jerk (as usual in today's society) goes too far in the opposite direction and goes into a realm of excessive tolerance. I don't even think honesty vs dishonesty describes it properly. It's all about tact. Previous generations had a very good understanding of tact and it has just been steadily ground away bit by bit by edgelords, irony boys/girls. Subsers…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 06:19 AM
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The ambiguity is a feature OP, not a bug. Women have literally no other defense against autistic men who are good at systematizing (like me)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 05:49 AM
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dude im no exception, i can work with anything except just raw unavoidable mass. anything but that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 05:44 AM
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He's got like a 5/10 face as well, but i believe his height + style + physique + money are enough to compensate. I wouldnt say "model category" though.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 05:37 AM
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Yes OP. I too, detest the "prove we're not insecure" meta where you discuss your exes, maintain a celebrity crush, have a "work spouse", and all the other shit that modern liberal PC "enlightened" couples use to show that they are un-threatened by the implicit tensions of being monogamous-but-yet-still-a-human with occasional perverse desires/motives. What if we're all just OPEN about the fact that it's occasionally hard to be married to the same person for ever. Lol, what if we're not just open…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 05:23 AM
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ill do my best uncle
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 04:48 AM
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Women do plan, and exceptional women exist, but for the vast majority of men, if they don't take the more active and more leadership-oriented role in the relationship then the women will become un-attracted to him and inflict a variety of emotional penalties onto him. No one is saying that applies to you, just saying that women collectively and in general, enforce the male gender role. There is no escape from it unless you really do find a one in a hundred, or probably closer to a thousand, woma…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 04:44 AM
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To accurately model female behavior she will need at least 50000 modes.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 04:30 AM
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Thats a good point, I will mention that to him next time I see him. Maybe a 5/10 chick will give him the king treatment he's seeking.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 04:27 AM
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Im building a robo girlfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 04:26 AM
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im vibe coding an LLM based wife sim so its all good
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 04:23 AM
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Hmm interesting take, thanks bro. I do believe what you're describing is exactly the experience he's holding out for. Do you think demographics may play an issue? My friend is going for caucasian, educated, non child having, 30+ year old women. I'm thinking that may be the group that is more cerebral, cold, calculating.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 04:13 AM
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Bruh you told me to not overthink and now that i'm like "ok i compeltley lobotomizing myself, no thought allowed" you want me to think again?? Which is it man?? My autism can't cope with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 04:11 AM
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Is IT natural to gain weight with age though, due to hormonal and metabolic changes, and takes increasing effort to push back on. But I get what you're saying. I do think people should put the work in to keep the spark alive. No argument there. I do think your formulation is a little simplistic and naive though. It takes both partners putting in that work to maintain the relationship. And a non-ethical partner is less likely to put in that work. So, from there we see that the issue bleeds over i…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 04:08 AM
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It did occur to me, but I find it statistically unlikely that something like 5+ women will sleep with a guy but afterward not want to pursue a relationship. I would put the likelihood of that at like 5% for an 'average' guy ie SMV matched with the female sample group. In my experience and what I've read, experiences like yours are abnormal, the average partner count for women is too low to allow for women frequently sampling the wares and then dipping. It's more likely that you have anomalous pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 03:56 AM
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If there were actually a simple solution there would literally be no divorces, no? Also no reason for PPD. Marital instability is a recurring and widespread problem for a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 03:49 AM
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I'm really glad it worked out for you. I think I see it like this: there's the initial period of infatuation, and that gradually gives way to companionate love. During the initial hormonal rush, which is to some degree biologically deterministic in terms of when it starts and ends, maintaining the relationship is easy. You want to make it work with the other person, find it very easy to overlook their flaws and put work into showing up for them as your best self, impress them, dote on them, etc.…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 03:36 AM
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I'm probably guilty of it too, I'm on the spectrum 🤷‍♂️ Honestly I would be 10x happier if I just date women mindlessly like a lemming until I achieve success through sheer RNG. I'm guessing this is what most normies do. Just keep pulling the lever until you hit a jackpot.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 03:25 AM
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I admire your audacity. My personal read of history, economics, sexuality etc is that human nature is largely fixed. You can only deviate so far from what thousands or millions of years of cultural experimentation discovered was efficacious. But if there was no one who thought like you we'd never evolve at all, so I appreciate your sacrifice.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 02:33 AM
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I'll tell you later.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 02:30 AM
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Interesting point. A lot of times people are complicit in their own destruction. I know i was with my ex wife. It's not that she was a particularly good manipulator, I just stubbornly refused to acknowledge the possibility that she was a bad person. Must be that I did something wrong.. I didn't lead/attract her properly.. she'll be fixed if I... etc, etc. If someone is rightly cautious of letting that part of themselves out again, can I blame them?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 02:27 AM
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Right, we largely concur. I think our point of disagreement is that you want to liberate men from gender roles (same way women are trying to do for themselves) whereas I see them as inevitable. Would you say that's accurate?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 02:19 AM
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Happy for you, big sis.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 02:17 AM
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Yeah... I don't discount that people fall madly at love at our age but I feel like it's rare. Warm stable love gradually built up over time seems reasonable. I'm probably underselling how important just raw attraction/tinglez are. Like I'm biased too far against. But he's probably biased too far in favor, I think. No intelligent woman is going to leave herself wide open to being uppercutted by a dark triad type.... right guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 02:16 AM
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He's using Hinge I think, but I take your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 02:13 AM
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I feel like you're exceptional in a lot of ways based on our interactions. I would be thrilled if I could find a woman who is willing to be infatuated, who i can infatuate, and who wants to have sex at the frequency you do, but I don't feel like I can or should strategize as though that's going to be a likely outcome. I have even had relationships like that in the past too, but they don't last forever. Frankly, it's fine if she just wants sex a reasonable amount, wants to love me a reasonable am…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 02:06 AM
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You're gonna be hard pressed to meet a 35+ year old women who'll get infatuated with some random Tinder date. He needs to, quite frankly, aim 10 years younger if he's looking for that Damn it sounds exhausting. Lol. I can't imagine myself dealing with a 20something woman generating drama and having strong emotions about everything constantly. Is it really age based though? I feel like some women mature early and some never.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 02:04 AM
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He has managed to have sex with several of these women, but I don't dispute that his social skills are not as high as they could be and it probably effects his dating experience. Even I find him grating at times. I know he has a heart of gold under his neuroses so it's still a good friendship.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 02:03 AM
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I am kinda rooting for him just because I know him to be an intelligent dude. If he struggles to date properly despite having decent advantages, it's a bad sign lol. At the same time, I feel like it's not bad if a woman shows attraction/enthusiasm but also some guardedness and caution. It's just like.. what other approach makes sense as a 30 something person with life experience and understanding that feelings often lead people astray? I feel like it's all about being reasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 02:02 AM
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I feel like he has decent success with these women though. He has about a 50% rate of sleeping with them based on what he's told me. But even the ones he slept with he's like "she's not into me enough, she pulls back, she doesn't text first" etc. I'm like bro who the fuck cares lol she gave the clearest biological indicator of interest that women have in their repertoire. You have to allow some room for power equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 01:59 AM
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A tragedy for those who feel and a comedy for those who think.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 01:57 AM
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Yeah this matches what I think. My other sociopathic friend keeps insisting that I should join a religious community. He says I'm too pure for the secular world and always going to struggle because of that. I think the religious world is probably ridden with same problems as secular world, just on the downlow... but eh. Probably just overly pessimistic thinking on my part. Glad you found a method that worked for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 01:55 AM
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What do you think when a company is really, really, really eager to hire you and not asking many questions? Because I think "this must be a shitty job or some kind of MLM scam type deal." I think that's what women feel. Often, male thirst just obliterates the part of our brain that would normally be thinking rationally, strategically and somewhat coldly - ie like a woman - during dating. Doesn't necessarily mean that the reverse works btw. If a company is like "fuck you, do 8 interviews during y…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 01:51 AM
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Filing this information away for later use.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 01:46 AM
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I believe you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 01:45 AM
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I think women are correct in their prognosis of men and incorrect about themselves because self awareness and humility is hard. (Same thing in reverse, men are good at identifying what's wrong with women and bad at taking accountability for ourselves) Taking care of a woman, leading, doing the "emotional labor" of planning - wtf did god give you a 13% larger cerebral cortex than women if you're not supposed to plan. What did he give you testosterone for if you're not going to be aggressive and p…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 01:37 AM
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Because guys tend to shy away from confrontation out of fear... A lot of times this is the case. But I also think there's an element of in the man's mind, it's not a problem. It can tanked. Slight personality/value difference can just be lived with. Not everything has to be molded and shaped until it's 100% perfect. In woman's mind, it's a problem that needs to be addressed somehow. Sometimes the problem being addressed causes more hardship/headache than just letting suboptimality exist. Even in…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 01:28 AM
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It's not about what you feel but the other party feels in this scenario. Because my friend keeps saying it's not enough infatuation from the women he's dating. So what threshold of infatuation would you require a man to show towards YOU when dating, is the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 12:21 AM
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Behave morallly/ethically - no cheating, no lying, no branch swinging. If you have a guy on the side, while trying to date other guys, don't maintain the side guy for like 4 weeks while you sit there and make up your mind. If you're out of love and just coasting and auto piloting the relationship while you review your options and come up with a gameplan and subtly maneuver towards other males hoping one will whisk you away from your problems... you're the problem. Branch swinging is awful. You u…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 11:25 PM
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Yet, women still try to enforce old world norms on men attempting to court them. From the initial approach, to dating, to how men are still expected to be financiers of the woman's lifestyle, all the way to the marriage itself and the twisted laws around it that benefit women exclusively. This feels slightly outdated to me. Yes, some women will punish for you for not out-earning her. If not directly then through subtle "i'm just not happy" and eventual "i want a man with ambition/life goals who …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 11:18 PM
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like being around people based on AND HAVING SOCIAL SKILLS, You can have social skills without having any strong desire to be around people. I'm good at befriending cats but i'm also allergic to them. I don't necessarily pursue a high degree, or quantity, emotional intimacy in life. Loyalty, sex, cooperation, etc. is fine for me. And that's ok, everyone has different priorities. Doesn't mean i'm defective lol. I just have different aspects of life that I enjoy than you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 11:14 PM
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"stop dating", but they still get railed every now and then on the downlow right? The prosecution rests.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 10:59 PM
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I'm not arguing men and women received egalitarian training to do exactly the same task, in fact that's implied by "in parallel". In parallel implies the existence of separate tracks. I tend to think geometrically/spatially so sorry if my terminology was unclear. I also have a point of disagreement with you - "we were taught to see each other as fundamentally different beings rather than as humans shaped by the same world." Were we? Or did we just notice the fact that we're fundamentally differe…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 10:45 PM
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Could be true for a lot of them. Not for me - but of course i'd say that, right? The thing I have about what you wrote is that it views relationships through a pure value lens. Pure value lens doesn't work imo. You can immediately assess someone else's SMV but their deeper morality is an enigma. That's whole the problem for me. I tend towards naivete and assuming the best of others, but even when I don't and try to screen others ruthelessly, you have to admit that there's no way to 100% insulate…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 10:18 PM
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nah nah nah, i wouldnt get tired of it. if i was dead and the woman still wanted it i'd literally fight my way back out of hell. glad you found a good arrangement.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 08:24 AM
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Hmm i dont mean she needs to be a virgin, she just needs to not have as many bad relationships as you did, to the point where she gets turned off of dick. Several times a day? I would slave away for a woman like that. Inside the bedroom and out.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 08:19 AM
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several times a day? Honestly, thank you for the life fuel. I just have to find a version of you that the dumbasses haven't run through or let go to waste. I take it all back, I actually love women now. Literally entire existential crisis cured. Thank you for the assist!!!!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 08:12 AM
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Good people tend to just go to waste on bad people. It is what it is. God's a practical joker.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 07:38 AM
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Hmm... instinsic motivation is usually better anyway. Good job spreading joy through the world~
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 07:13 AM
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How did you become hypersexual turbo slut then? I would presume the experiences have been largely enjoyable if you became so enamored of them
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 07:07 AM
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If they choose to be, why not? If you can leave the cage, and enter it voluntarily, then it's not really a cage.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 06:23 AM
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Except the fish and bicycle analogy is valid. I cannot agree there. Literally the genders evolved in parallel, both biologically and culturally, such that the strengths of one are designed to complement the weaknesses of the other. The atomization and "interchangeable widget"-ification of the genders is one of the great crimes of post enlightenment western culture. The fact that this particular feminist bimbo has an admirably bimbo like yearning to return to the security of the male-female diale…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 06:10 AM
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Do men underestimate how often women are optimizing for risk reduction rather than attraction? Mmm, the complexity here is that optimization formula tends to adjust as the woman ages. There's a peak of thrill/risk seeking in youth, followed by a period of risk reduction/stability maxxing as she hits peak baby fever age, and then a second peak of thrill/risk seeking after babies and permanent resource allocation from beta hubs is secured. In a good marriage, this translates to the couple having f…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 06:05 AM
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you can tell by how she refuses to capitalize her name screams 'look at how Unique i am'
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 05:57 AM
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honestly OP, even what you describe doesn't sound as damaging as the fish-bicycle analogy, or myths about a pay gap/glass ceiling, or rape hysteria that asserts the right to treat all men as abusers until proven otherwise.. or even tradcon assumption that woman=wonderful=must therefore get default custody awarded. it at least opens the door to the possibility of peaceful cooperation between the sexes. is it skewed because it was written by some deranged gender extremist weirdo? yes, but i mean, …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 05:53 AM
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Are you saying sex is more complicated than can be grasped in one session? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 05:50 AM
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OP, I'm gonna be honest, I couldn't process the entire post because it's very... dense. Lots and lots and lots of points in there, but I will address the overarching themes that run through most of those points 1) The way society treats men, vs how it treats women, is unfair. Yes, and sometimes the way society treats women, vs how it treats men, is unfair. It all depends on context, sometimes even age group and geography. It wasn't fair when the romans were persecuting christians, or when the no…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 05:30 AM
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I hope not.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 01:50 AM
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i'd say it was 9:1 male to female. Not going to pretend it was mathematically 100% male. Probably someone's getting sued if that was allowed to occur.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 09:53 PM
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A harpist! you can't make this shit up lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 09:50 PM
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they had an actual line at their booth, so weaponized thirst is evidently a workable strategy... i ain't hating.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 09:50 PM
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Nah, because as I already wrote: I'm too ruthlessly efficient with myself to waste that much money on a fantasy when my giga tier imagination can already do that for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 04:52 PM
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Do you feel like you've had great experiences with men, OP? Surely you must have, since you surround yourself with people of your own type. I can't imagine what kind of amazing, affirming experiences you've had in dealing with the male gender generally. You probably really love men, since - being a quality person yourself, you have surrounded yourself by only men of the highest quality.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 04:15 PM
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looool, classic. Me and my friend were at a conference in Seattle and saw a bunch of the people you'd expect (dudes who look, talk and sound like me and my friend). Then we spotted a booth with 3 attractive women in it. I'm like - cmon, lets go see what they're selling. Because you know theyre selling something. Sure enough, overpriced/overhyped saas vendor with a bunch of swag. The women - also a form of swag, to get your ass in the door to hear the one male team member present deliver their pi…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 04:11 PM
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kek
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 04:08 PM
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but she probably would have been attracted enough not to cheat on me if I had been violent Lol. I feel you hard on that. My ex wife used to casually drop lines like "if you cheated on me, I'd forgive you". I guess strong projection on her part, but I unironically think that if I had cheated on her some point we'd probably still be married and she never would have cheated on me. Her need for drama would have been satiated. I'm a linear thinker, part of my neurodivergence, so concepts like "treat …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 01:00 PM
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maybe 'feminine' is the right term? Idk, I feel like I sound like a 60 year old stuffy uptight librarian or something. Maybe I am, spiritually.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 11:44 AM
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Yes, stealing is morally wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 08:28 AM
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Agreed. It's both or neither.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 08:28 AM
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Hmm, i htink it'll take more than a series of books. We're talking about 1000+ years of confucianism, famial shame dynamics, respect to elders, etc. I'm probably exaggerating lol there's plenty of based gigachad Chang Longwang asian dudes out there. But maybe not as prevalent inside the corporate spaces that resemble my own workplace
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 05:57 AM
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You're still gay though Hurr hurr
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 05:56 AM
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yeah
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 05:46 AM
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Honestly the indian dudes in my work are gimped by having visa status issues and HAVING to maintain employment 'or else'. So that plays into it. Asian dudes specifically I think hail from a more "shame/face" based society and also collectivist, you aren't really encouraged to stand out, it's more about showing you are diligently working for the group unless you are already senior. And I do agree there is some degree of can't win, because as a social indian/asian dude with a modicum of balls, you…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 05:41 AM
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It's an insulting assumption. Honestly, I don't think there's any way to settle this with words. I'm too offended already. You would besmirch my prowess in the arts of love? You would question my integrity? Accuse me of being a selfish lover? The internet was a mistake. In the 19th century no one would speak like you do for fear of being immediately challenged to a duel.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 05:18 AM
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As opposed to only thinking you should get something in return. And by what law do you claim the right to make the assumption that any other man feels that way?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 05:10 AM
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"I had sex, the girl enjoyed it, maybe you guys should stop thinking that it's bad to make the girl enjoy it and be more like me" That's literally your post
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 04:58 AM
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Thanks for your sex blog I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 04:50 AM
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Are you saying that you accept it as a valid duty? My opinion of you has changed. I approve of you now. Go with god.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 03:54 AM
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Interesting strategy by the female frog in that pic. Would not work on homo sapiens though. Guys would just smash anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 03:53 AM
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More lucrative though. For one party at least
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 03:52 AM
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I don't care what anyone does, I only care what I do and what I want. Ain't no way i'm having sex with a chick after 1 date. She could have STDs, she could be crazy, she could be looking to babytrap some rando, she could be part of a gang and going to accuse me of rape and blackmail me... she could be anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 02:50 AM
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I can relate, lol. My department is full of indian engineers. When physically inside the office, they have completely neutered HR approved personalities and go radio silent if any dangerous topic comes up. But Have Chai pe Charcha with them after hours at the local bistro, and bring up the subject of women? It's off to the fucking races.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 01:42 AM
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Lol yes. I went 7 years without a girlfriend because it just didnt occur to me to want one, but of relationships i did have, the average duration has been 9.5 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 01:34 AM
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Yeah im neuro divergent, so it makes sense that my lifestyle would be weird and atypical. Im ok with everything now. It helps that I tried the whole standard marrage/kids/cohabitation thing and saw that it didn't mesh well with who I am. Hope you are enjoying the unattached life. It definitely has its perks. Very calm and stress free. At least for people like us, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 01:32 AM
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Hmm I still haven't fully given up on finding a good woman at some point. I just won't tolerate changing my lifestyle for her. Ideally no marriage. Definitely no kids. She has to fully be ok with me coding, making games/art and living in separate places, come together only for dates/sex/help each other with some task. Cohabitation is bad for relationships imo. Maybe no women want to participate in what I describe and that's ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 01:25 AM
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Ah ok, I see what you're saying. Abstaining from dating entirely tends to be a more gradual realization than that, that's why I was confused. Maybe you're just able to reach conclusions faster, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 01:05 AM
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This is the problem I have with slut shaming. You guys are really going to take this girl on 4 dates so she can act stupid when you finally say you want sex. But the girl willing to sex on the first date is worthless long term? Totally backwards logic. How would the girl on the first date possibly have enough information about me to assess whether true long term compatibility is possible, and if she's willing to have sex with anything that moves (no long term compatibility) wtf is the point of h…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 12:56 AM
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Marriage as a long conversation. - When marrying you should ask yourself this question: do you believe you are going to enjoy talking with this woman into your old age? Everything else in a marriage is transitory, but most of the time that you're together will be devoted to conversation. Great conversation does not a loyal woman make, unfortunately. Ethics uber alles. Most of the time, you will be conversating but ALL of the time, you will be working together, and that can't be done without trus…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 12:53 AM
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Huh? What's the alternative, then?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 12:51 AM
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Yeah I can see the outlines of a thought pattern that could potentially justify it but it's just too riddled with simpdom to me. It's a bridge too far.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 12:41 AM
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Honestly, that's a bad idea. It would incentivize the destruction of the nuclear family even more than it currently is. Women need to have some skin in the game as far as bearing the child of some "aspiring rapper", reprobate, deadbeat. One of the potential consequences is that she'll struggle to extract CS out of him. I wish it didn't come to things like this and all kids would be provided for, but unfortunately every system that does not inflict consequences for bad decisions leads to unsustai…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 12:34 AM
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There is a very thin line between competing for a woman's affections, and people-pleasing / bending over backwards, which is bad for the relationship. As the person with the burden to pursue, but not overdo it, it is hard to find a balance. Too hard and you're love bombing. Not hard enough, and you're being too passive/feminine. Men will observe other men too, and recognize that often times the dude who wins the competition, is the one that seems less invested in it. Why? Because it signals a su…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 12:27 AM
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Men, on the other hand, get that until you're married, you're free to dump your current partner at a moment's notice. Women initiate half of most non-marital breakups. Women also initiate the majority of most divorces. https://www.asanet.org/women-more-likely-men-initiate-divorces-not-non-marital-breakups/ As part of his analysis, Rosenfeld found that women initiated 69 percent of all divorces, compared to 31 percent for men. In contrast, there was not a statistically significant difference betw…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 12:20 AM
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lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 12:17 AM
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As someone with access to a fair bit of resources, I've been tempted to go this route myself. It would be so refreshing to just fucking tell a woman, "you will not (at least not in a way that is obvious to me) fuck other dudes, because I don't want an STD, we will have sex HOW I want, WHEN i want, and when we aren't doing that you will refrain from nagging me, working me like im some kind of build-a-beta project, or bothering me in any way. When we're together you will be unfailingly pleasant an…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 12:11 AM
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The entire world is ran by married people and is optimized for married people, often with families/kids, and will continue to b Lol, implying they are two separate groups. Most older dudes imbibing from the sugar well are still in (probably miserable) marriages.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 12:08 AM
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Lol no, I actually admire OF creators - and enjoy the work they do, albeit not paying for it. There are plenty of sites where the OF content washes up when the sweatiest of fanboys is done jerking to it. Uploading so others can jerk to it gives him a thrill of temporary power over her and I'm a beneficiary of all that. However. The guys that actually pay for her content, now THEY seem pathetic to me. I have to balance it with knowing that it's his life, and his money to waste as he sees fit, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 12:04 AM
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I mean already in the OP you're massaging the data bro. “Most young men are in relationships.” But when you actually look at data, that’s just not true. According to Pew Research, a huge share of young men are single: Huge share does not equal majority. So saying most young men are in relationships is mathematically accurate. “Most women don’t want FWB / ONS.” But surveys show that a large majority are at least theoretically open to something casual (around 80% depending on the wording/context) …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 12:00 AM
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That's the actual tragedy of life OP. If we could assortively pair everyone up based on morality using some kind of automated system life would be swell. But that's just not how it works. For some reason, polarity factors heavily into attraction. People unconsciously look for people who can "complete them". Relationships involving a high degree of difference are initially very effective - they handle everything you don't want to, and vice versa. Their difference from you = novelty = mentally sti…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 11:57 PM
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I don't necessarily think casual sex is immoral per se... but I find it distasteful. I find swinging distasteful too, for similar reasons. I think sex should be an expression of deeper feelings, and without that deeper meaning it becomes something vulgar. I know this sounds gay and fruity as fuck but I don't think a woman below a certain threshold of morality/spiritual development has any right to touch me. Not saying it has to be pure and Christian and fuck with a sheet between us lol, just say…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 11:39 PM
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They do exist OP, and they tend to get a pass from society in many cases. Probably women are wonderful effect and everyone assumes if she did something wrong, where was the man involved to teach her better and maintain her attraction? I've noticed that many people in society - not all, thankfully - are allergic to the idea that a woman can be responsible for anything bad. No, it must have been society oppressed her, or she was "finding herself" and that's allowed, or the man was subtly abusive a…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 11:31 PM
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Go get 'em, big sis. Do a number on their reputations, lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 11:22 PM
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It is actually incredibly validating and affirming when a woman acknowledges that bad women exist instead of dismissing it. Every time it has happened (even on the abaddon that is reddit) my mental health improves by some small increment. I'm not sure why it matters that women in particular acknowledge it. Maybe because it's relatively rare for some reason? Maybe because, coming from a woman it counts for more? I can't quite put my finger on it, but it's a panacea that will change the world more…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 11:21 PM
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I think you're right OP. I think TRP is fatalistic and assumes you can't find a good woman and that the brutal, self-protecting rules of engagement that apply when having to deal with a narcissistic, awful woman apply everywhere. That's why I was initially drawn to it. I was dealing with a narcissistic, awful woman and TRP was the only worldview that made sense in that context. Well, there was also the worldview of "bro you're fucking retarded, she just straight up sucks, divorce her" but I didn…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 11:11 PM
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The aim of your post is irrelevant, only its potential value matters. Its just words. It couldve been written by human, couldve been AI. Intent is meaningless and often absent altogether due to lack of author consciousness in 2026. I assess all information based on its potential use case.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 02:37 PM
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Distinction without a difference imo. It doesn't matter what specific biochemical trigger causes men to be baseline hornier than women, only that it exists, and that it's deterministic. I mean, I guess it would matter if you were trying to derive a formula for female viagra or something. But for the purpose of gender debate, all that matters is whether men are naturally hornier and thirstier than women, which it seems you don't dispute. Although, I suppose a better way to describe it is that mal…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 02:17 PM
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Nah, you're just restating the point I already disagreed with. Not everything that happens to me is because of me. Life has RNG. You can plan for every eventuality and still have a random aneurysm, or be killed by a serial killer who breaks into your house, etc. I'm not trying to be a victim, but I refuse to be responsible for the blood on other people's hands. I wasn't responsible for being molested as a kid, or beaten, or abused, I wasn't responsible when my wife cheated.. I'm not responsible …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 01:59 PM
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Honestly, you're making ME think here. I think a dude with 5 kids isn't necessarily "more adult" than a dude with one kid, or no kids - who just happened to make a responsible choice to not have kids because he knew he wouldn't be into the whole dad thing. FORCING yourself to be a dad, and then sucking at it, is not the hallmark of a great adult, yknow? I say all that, but there is a part of me that respects someone more if he is able to hold down tons of responsibilities. I just don't think it'…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 01:42 PM
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heheheh thanks bro, made me laugh in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 09:28 AM
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Your obsession with politics is a belief, your definition of what is childish is a belief, and your determination of what is a big deal or not is a belief, and finally your insistence that you are correct on all those subjects axiomatically with no evidence or logic used to justify it but just reiterating your opinion as fact over and over, is a belief, and probably your sense of superiority over other people (categorizing yourself as mature, and them childish, for having the temerity to not bel…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 09:23 AM
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Ok so yeah, basically you personally define what is childish and correct and a big deal and if anyone disagrees, they are just wrong. Again, I understand, but don't agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 09:18 AM
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"A mature adult" = anything you personally believe and value and prioritize, anyone who disagrees is childish. I'm trying not to put words in your mouth but this IS basically your stance, correct? Just want to make sure I understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 09:14 AM
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Because sticking your penis in another person can not be a big deal in a world controlled by people who use your money (taxes) to fund wars that kill children you've never even heard of and people who are friends with pedophiles like Epstein and Jimmy Savile, including presidents and members of royal families. Only a child would be aware of all these things and yet still think sex is a big deal. Why is the world any of my concern? MY world is my concern. You seem to succumb to the fallacy of thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 08:57 AM
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I don't think any of those things are true anymore. Maybe during the satanic panic raegan years, or in victorian england or something but society has definitely moved on since then.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 08:37 AM
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Ah ok, circular logic. You're mature if you understand that sticking your penis in another person isn't a big deal. And what makes it not a big deal? That mature people recognize it's not a big deal I understand your fallacy. I don't agree, but I understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 08:36 AM
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Nah Kid: I want my family to stay together, thats a big deal Bitch ex wife: Sorry kiddo, its more important for me to get some strange D I mean this could just be my bias of being more ethical and intelligent than most of my older family members even from an early age, so my perception of reality is generally that children are more sensible and correct than the fucked up adults around them, that hurl abuse at them... but that's what my personal experience suggests.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 07:56 AM
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I think you don't become an adult until you 1) come to a realistic, balanced, objective view of humanity, life, society, career, family etc and how each of them actually operates. No wishful thinking, no coping, no excuse making, no over-dramatization/black-white thinking. 2) decide to fully take responsibility for your life and the lives of any dependents you might have. No lying, no grovelling, no passing the buck, no leeching or manipulating other people in order to get by, no leaving your de…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 07:35 AM
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Behavior-wise, she got fucking mean. Called me useless. Called me all sorts of names. Did not appreciate me even as I am trying my hardest always to be the best father to our three children. Im wondering if this was the real issue. Like maybe OP's anger at his wife manifested as visceral disgust for her, but if he wasn't so angry the rest may not have been an issue. Once the door slams on being able to actually like the person you're with, suddenly every little thing about them is grating.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 04:38 AM
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exactly, there's truth .. hard facts, measurements, reproducible experiments etc. none of those have anything to do with how "important" something is, or how big a deal it is. that's entirely within the realm of anti-truth. subjective opinion, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 02:00 AM
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Supplanting, sure. We're in agreement there. It's probably better than nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 01:39 AM
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i think that's our main point of disagreement, i think we men are programmed to want "genuine" desire ie the woman wanting to have sex with us with as little transactionalism as possible (not saying full zero percent transactionalism is possible, but some things are certainly more transactional than others)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 01:26 AM
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Thank for the advice elder bro. I will definitely consider that when I'm dating. I want a woman who treats me with respect this time.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 12:28 AM
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Interesting point, I do think i have some kind of logical fallacy where I assume "if it ended badly, then the whole thing was bad". Logically I know that if a relationship provided joy for like 40 years and then someone cheats at the very end, that was still successful relationship overall. But the stigma against betrayal is very deeply ingrained in me for whatever reason. How do you overcome that and think clearly though? I find it hard to be that detached and utilitarian. Like if you can be th…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 12:24 AM
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I do agree lust is easier but I feel skeptical about the "pursue TONS of compatibility, vast majority will not be compatible" paradigm.. like.. in ancient times, you had a small community of 100 farmer gatherers and maybe like 5 women to choose from in your age cohort. Now we have 1000s of potential mates and still low relationship satisfaction. I kinda feel like compatibility gets hyped too much. The whole soulmate thing. It's more about 2 reasonable good solid people finding each other and mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 12:16 AM
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Ohhh shit, that makes a lot of sense actually. Crazy-hot axis explains a lot of this. If that's the case though, doesn't bode well for society since social media, OF, etc will provide endless validation to women who are remotely fuckable, leading to hoeflation. TRP confirmed? I am going to ruthlessly prioritize ethics as I date. I didn't do that the first time and got fucked over. I would ideally also like her to be thin, so will raise my SMV until I can acquire both of those things, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 12:11 AM
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Horrifying if true, but explains my personal experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 12:06 AM
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Thanks for the post. I'm considering that part of my self improvement journey needs to be "not preserve bad relationships". The ones that are bad should just fail without my intervention to save them. I would settle for good relationship and not life-changing. I don't necessarily want to change my life, im happy the way it is now 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 12:05 AM
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Nah I think I read it accurately and "you missed the point" is just your go to.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 11:55 PM
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Respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 11:40 PM
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Ah ok, my bad then.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 11:33 PM
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I figured you would say something like that. There's this typical argument pattern where it's like If the woman behaved badly towards you, it's because you were insecure and seeking her good behavior too hard, and that turned her off sexually and made her behave bad And when you're like "it's not my job to be perfect so no one will cause harm to me" the counter argument is always "you're playing the victim" It's a neat trick but it's getting really old and transparent honestly. I mean it's very …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 11:19 PM
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men are usually the ones complaining about being in a sexless marriage I actually don't believe this is true. If you go to the dead bedrooms subreddit, it seems fairly 50/50 as far as which party is the one being "frozen out" sexually. Your theory can only account for 50% of the sexless marriages we're seeing so already right there, we have a huge problem. I think the implicit assumption that the work of causing sex to happen necessarily falls on the man is what makes your argument flawed. Alrea…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 11:10 PM
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All of these objections from her melt away when you have adequate game, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 11:07 PM
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yeah and only 10% of dudes are abusive drunk brokie assholes, i'm exaggerating to make a point. i think the truth is that it is more often the case than not, that one person in the marriage actually IS primarily to blame for the divorce, because of moral failings and aggression directed at their partner, and 50% of the time that individual is female. what that negative behavior comprises, is going to look different for every marriage. but I cannot take you seriously if you don't grasp or accept …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 11:05 PM
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Honestly OP you're kinda enlightened. I wish I could be as suspicious and analytical towards female intentions as you are towards men. Then a sociopath narcissistic bitch like my ex wife would never be able to penetrate my defenses.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 11:02 PM
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True. Based, honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 10:59 PM
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It's probably because even being online is itself, evidence of poor mental health. Anyone who gets their shit together is going to eventually stop posting much or at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 10:57 PM
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This ignores the vast history of shamans, ascetics, monks, clergy, 'herbivore men' in asia.. There have been MGTOWs, the equivalent of men living in a van because Turd Flinging Monkey encouraged it, at every juncture of human history. Normalcy has never been appealing to the point where it can get more than like 80% buyin from the population.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 10:52 PM
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The irony is that once you stop tying your self esteem to women and seeking their approval in a positive and healthy way (and not in the “fuck women”, “women are trash” type of way), your newly found self esteem and confidence will actually be extremely attractive to women. Eh. A bit overly optimistic and just world fallacy-laden. You can completely cure and straighten yourself out mentally and some subset of women will still behave badly towards you. Not everything in life circles back to male …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 10:49 PM
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it's 33% woman's fault for being a walking TRP meme/billboard who wants to alimonymaxx and "find herself" by bouncing on dicks in Bali or Rome or Bangkok or all of the above 33% men's fault for being a cheating abusive drunk brokie asshole, and 33% no one's fault .. maybe they were both forced into marriage by well meaning relatives, maybe they married way too young not knowing what actual compatibility looks like and decide break up amicably, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 10:44 PM
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i'll give an example, I met a dude about 6 months ago who is a financial analyst, makes about 200k/year, owns his own home. he is a divorced dad and has 50/50 custody of his daughter. guy goes on solo trips or trips with small groups of friends continually. he is big on the Escort pill. he's also hella jacked and has his own home gym in his garage. he basically keeps himself busy by pursuing life goals and will only engage with women for sex/very short term relationships. he is the kind of perso…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 10:39 PM
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if they talk like they do online about men in real life most guys will just laugh it off and call it a rebellious phase. Except that her opinion probably bleeds into her behavior and having a 'rebellious phase' when already married with 3 kids (like my bitch ex wife did) causes actual harm to actual people. It's all fun and games until you're the one stuck with the alimony and the child support, homie. If you think the psychic pressure of all this bitching and moaning online doesn't seep into th…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 10:35 PM
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I think it's just my selfish desire to have a space full of engaged, enthusiastic dudes living their lives and still, on occasion, discussing how to defend yourself properly from the gynocentric globohomo femisphere or the tradcon memeplex. If you know of any such places, hit me up.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 10:32 PM
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it's also a suicidal movement. it has no children. Tough, but fair. I mean you literally are unlikely to ever have children again as an MGTOW .. that'd be like handing a loaded shotgun to the enemy (women). I do think MGTOW has a built in contradiction - if you are actually going your own way, you become too busy to talk. Even if you talk, it's about stuff like "here's the boat I built with my hands" or "this is the appalachian wilderness I've been wanting to visit".. kinda normie, un-engaging s…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 10:28 PM
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The ones bitching online, you are assessing accurately, but I have met dudes following the MGTOW path offline. They may not actually know what MGTOW is or maybe they have, but the point is they demonstrate through action. The people just "using the movement to vent" as it were, are not the best exemplars of what it's about.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 10:25 PM
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Logically there's not, but psychologically, the dna strands or whatever that cause men to feel this way actually do care about the fact that the woman values you for intrinsic properties. The more "in your body" the thing is that causes her to be sexually available to you, the bigger the dopamine hit.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 10:17 PM
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That's literally how life works, value is subjective. What determines what's important/better than something else? People's opinions. If collectively a group of people value something highly, then it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 10:15 PM
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Right and wrong are a false dichotomy, there's just a set of ideas and a continual process of hegelian dialectics
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 11:20 AM
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The majority of crimes in america are committed by a white person, are you going to tell your boss at work "Sorry i cant be in a room alone with you, whites commit the majority of crimes. Treat all guns like theyre loaded. Durr hurr" and have a purely statistics based approach to life no matter how socially obnoxious it is..? Honestly, I would want my female relations and friends to have healthy caution around strange men, but that's mostly because of the strength disparity. Not because men are …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 11:14 AM
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I don't believe in using science to try to lend credence to a person's subjective opinion on life (their worldview)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 11:03 AM
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Study: height, income and muscle don't matter in dating Author: me Abstract: I pulled it out of my ass. (unironically this counts as a study and refutes your point. you can say the methodology sucks but it is still a study)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 10:57 AM
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My honest take is that you lack experience, if you have a lot of experience you start to realize anyone can find a study to justify their PoV and that's all just a bunch of cap and nerd-fighting which achieves nothing, just a giant neverending chain of "oh yeah? Well I found this OTHER study that says..." Life is more interesting and honest when we just admit what our worldview is rather than pretending we formulated it based on data. It is good when people adjust their worldview based on data, …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 10:46 AM
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Yeah, and there are other species that do not help each other, or actively harm each other... which is where the unprovable axiomatic unscientific process of selecting a worldview based on pure preference comes in.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 10:36 AM
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OP, women still are the ones pushing for marriage today. That alone proves every single person that disagreed with you is capping, or can't put 2 and 2 together. Women want to secure a man's resources long term. Literally cannot do that without a contract of some kind.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 10:33 AM
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lmao, first time on reddit buddy?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 10:31 AM
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A few thoughts... For women, it's also about emotional attraction. And because people's personalities change over time (especially women's, see Wilde's quote about change in marriage)... basically, physical attraction alone won't save you. Also, some people are just sociopaths and will cheat no matter what. So I think in the end, the morality/self-respect that you mentioned is 90% of the equation as far as preventing cheating. But not only is morality rare, but also it is not sufficient on its o…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 10:23 AM
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Men are hard wired to seek validation through sex. If you pay for sex, then the validation does not occur. You can lie to yourself that it did occur, but inside you'll feel hollow and your inner voice of truth will scorn you. Having said that, if you really do enjoy it, then more power to you. I don't want to rain on anyone else's parade. You do you. Just saying that for the majority of men, this is not going to be a magic bullet for their problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 10:15 AM
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You do understand that the degree to which something is a big deal is subjective, right? Therefore the men do get it - they literally cannot not get it - because to whatever extent they decide it's a big deal, it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 10:11 AM
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Sadly disagree, and it's why being non neurotypical sucks. Because the vast majority of signals you receive in society are anti-jerk material trying to emphasize egalitarianism, female empowerment and a break from tradition. If you are literal minded (like me) you make a nominally reasonable assumption that society would not hammer the message to treat women like equals if it weren't true. You spend the first 20-30 years of life training for an egalitarian relationship, and the next 20 years hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 10:09 AM
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Seems reductionist to the point of absurdity, OP. You understand that many things in life cannot have scientific backing, but it's still important to make accurate judgement calls... right? I mean, probably the majority of a person's "world view" consists of moral stances which are inherently unscientific to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 10:04 AM
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It's ultimately a good thing OP. If a woman says this, and then chooses you anyway, it means she authentically chooses you for instrinsic reasons rather than just needing you for stability, emotional security, money, etc. My ex wife NEEDED me, but did not want me, and it was truly miserable for me. Also - The instant she thought she did not need me anymore, she cheated on me and destroyed the marriage (and harm all 3 of our kids futures in the process). We should encourage women to not need men.…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 10:02 AM
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We effectively have no idea how long any individual woman is going to make us wait for sex, so this post is kinda... off base. We can't pursue women based on traits we can't forecast ahead of time. The clothes don't really indicate anything. I want to pursue a woman based on whether it seems like we have a lot in common. The gamble is that if we have a lot in common, maybe she will be happy with me long term. Pursuing a woman based on speed at which she dispenses sex is short term thinking. Shor…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 09:53 AM
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I actually am very disappointed at MGTOW's lack of intellectual/cultural relevance as time goes on. The dark enlightenment, anti feminist, alt right shit spawned Trump and a general rightward shift across the globe. TRP/PUA still has a big following (see Andrew Tate, or any male youtube dating influencer) although I think it's increasingly cringe/outdated. Most of the cultural "victories" you're describing can be attributed to the black pill/incels/4chan. So those 3 wings of the manosphere did p…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 09:46 AM
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nah that's a fine answer i'll try and do the same thing see you space cowgirl...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 04:39 PM
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I think I'm yearning for a world that never existed tbh. Like ones where human beings are better and the mating dance between us isn't eerily like birds of paradise where the men frantically and sweatily preen and jump up and down so that some unadorned female bird (who barely has to concern herself with any of this mentally and can just auto-succeed at mating by virtue of having a vagina) can present her hindquarters to him for a brief moment in time with a bored glazed-eyed look on her face wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 04:37 PM
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At any point in human history uncle arthur will still be ahead of the times
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 04:32 PM
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How long have you been together? Has she hit you with some variant of the "you're not fun/outgoing/extraverted/interesting enough and i want you to change for me" shit test yet, and if not, how would you theoretically deal with it? Good luck on the book bro, I admire all forms of creative work.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 04:29 PM
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For me the issue is that whoever scores higher on conscientiousness/neuroticism wins. If you're genuinely slovenly then normies get to kick the shit out of you. If you're just average in cleanliness then a fastidious person gets to kick the shit out of you. If you're fastidious then an OCD, hyper obsessive person who researches the "best" way to be clean and tidy endlessly gets to kick the shit out of you. You can never, ever, ever win an argument of "I want clean and tidy up less", even if 99.9…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 06:51 AM
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good bro, how did you find me this far down the comments chain?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 05:57 AM
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lol no worries keep debating high and living your best life king
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 05:14 AM
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Good point i'll reflair
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 04:58 AM
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i will delete my entire reddit account, stop bitching and moaning and commit to art, self improvement and a moral life if i feel you answer my question honestly
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 04:37 AM
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😂
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 04:32 AM
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I am not trying to get a girl now, and I don't identify with the redpill. What in my post led you to assume I am looking for a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 04:31 AM
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If it's only some women doing the bad things, then it is acceptable to treat them as an unreasonable sub species (they are a subset of the species that is women, and unreasonable, that is literally what we're talking about, if they were reasonable no one would complain about them)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 04:29 AM
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No worries.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 04:25 AM
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Yeah I'm coming to that counter-intuitive realization about life It's better to be happy and unconditionally validated than be good and forced to earn things. Lol, fucking picked the wrong gender on character creation but then again, I love to play the nightmare difficulty on videogames so I guess that's why I was born with a dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 04:24 AM
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My first relationship was really successful, but my ex girlfriend died tragically My second relationship lasted about 14 years, and netted me 3 kids, so I guess biologically it was successful. Emotionally not so much. I think it ended up being a bad relationship because of my refusal to acknowledge to myself that she was a selfish immoral person. If I came to terms with that and was able to accept and process it I could've run TRP's playbook on her and probably kept her worst tendencies in check…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 04:21 AM
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m-maybe we're closer to seahorses there's gotta be SOME role for moral caring empathic men somewhere right? right boss?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 04:16 AM
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I'm actually in the top 5% of successfulness in most quantitative metrics, can you be more specific about what you think is unsuccessful about me?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 04:14 AM
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I don't think they care my dude, i think women are just out here living life and enjoying themselves Like I used to think: "being told you're awesome all the time probably causes you to suck eventually" but then I realize: if you NEVER get told you suck no matter how much you actually suck, life is still good, no? ignorance is bliss.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 04:13 AM
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honestly you're right, i'm just fucked in the head from emotional trauma. i will admit that you're right and i'm wrong, but if possible, could you answer one question for me with as much honesty and insight as you can muster? based on what you know of humanity generally, is it worth it to pursue love? given all the dating and failed attempts and vetting and screening and possibly getting fucked over in spite of all that and having to build yourself up again brick by brick... is this process wort…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 04:11 AM
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Women "fail" by choosing bad men. This is the only way they are ever considered to have failed, and society caveats it with no end of "sometimes relationships just don't work out and that's life and that's ok" and tries its best to de-stigmatize stuff like single motherhood... but hey... still at the end of the day, there is SOME assumption that the woman made a lapse of judgement no matter how pitifully the blow lands after all the softening and empathy society heaps on top of it. After choosin…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 03:59 AM
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Oh yeah all those people suck. carry on then.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 03:54 AM
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Revolutionary armed revolt yes, but smash gender roles? No. Half assed solution if you ask me. I am not going to shed blood for anything less than a male separatist nation with 3 sexbots for every citizen. Women can inherit the whole gender roles thing and debate and scrutinize it. I'm solving the problem at the root. No more need to think about women or my """"""role"""""" vis a vis women. Just blessed VR porn, vidya, awesome STEM projects, and eventual lunar colony and escape the normies perma…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 03:51 AM
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It's not a debate, it's a list of "issues" without explanation as to why they're issues other than OP doesn't like them. A litany of complaints about other people is not a debate. There's nothing to debate. It's like saying "I don't like the taste of vanilla ice cream". That's a preference, not a stance.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 03:43 AM
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Who does that though?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 03:42 AM
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Perhaps the men that complain about female nature are not as exemplary of the male behaviors that you're describing as....... "normal" I have only had two female sex partners ever. I had a 7 year stint of celibacy during my young prime sexual years because I just didn't have interest in sex or dating at the time - books, art, videogames, coding and hanging out with male friends motivated me much more. I am extremely monogamous and faithful and non-abusive so none of that applies to me either. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 03:37 AM
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Maybe it's only an issue to you personally and people are allowed to live how they want 🤷‍♂️ Why do you feel the need to control people OP?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 03:27 AM
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oops
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 03:26 AM
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hmmmm... some women are just bad? no, no it can't be. all women are my ex wife. tautological. what happens once will happen a million times. eternal recurrence. this is fate.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 03:24 AM
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they're fools, or lucky. they haven't been on the losing side of the type of relationship that i'm describing. but honestly, maybe i'm trying to solve a problem that isn't worth solving. maybe any "system" i devise to try to cope with the fact that my ex wife was a massive bitch is just going to unravel because if A) the woman is a massive bitch, then no system will be sufficient to tame her or curb her desire to destroy my life bit by bit so that she can consume the raw energy released by my de…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 03:18 AM
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Hmmm I think it doesn't matter what anyone's standards are, what matters is: after you meet their standards how do they treat you? If a woman demands the man make 150k+ and he does, and then she treats him like a fucking ATM and just sits on her ass scrolling instagram, shopping online and flirting with strange men (like my ex wife did to me) then that's fucked up. If on the other hand, she tries to be a passable tradwife and cooks and cleans and try to show her man genuine appreciation in excha…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 12:39 AM
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Idk OP, young people are historically not known for their tendency to blindly listen to their elders and just have their opinions downloaded into their heads for them. Young people are rebellious. They think for themselves. They are not retards who just allow anything to take over their brain and rot it. Most of them form their opinions through experience. Thank god for this btw, otherwise millenials with their screeching intolerance of divergent opinions would create a totalitarian state to rul…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 12:34 AM
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Yea but enough of their ancestors were cucked such that the instinct of sexual jealousy got beaten into their dna strand. After enough generations of jealous men being more successful at passing on their dna, even post-hoc sexual jealousy became a thing. And if it were that irrational it wouldn't have lasted through the test of time. The ick is justified by endless years of trial and error basically
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 12:27 AM
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Greet me warmly when I come through the door - this is huge for me. Make me a meal. Back rub, shoulder rub etc. INITIATE the sex. Or at least give the mating signal (just shift your aura i'll sense and do the rest) Special lingerie or something like that, show some bedroom enthusiasm. Compliments are always nice. I am not that hard to please, I don't think. It doesn't take all that much to keep me happy in a relationship, I'm a naturally happy go lucky, lovey dovey guy despite all the caustic bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 12:24 AM
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Yeah I just kind of mindlessly pay, it feels attuned to nature or something. Just like if we're chilling at home the woman naturally wants to make a meal or re-arrange the furniture or whatever because of nesting instincts.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 12:22 AM
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The post hoc rationalizing and instinct both come from the same place though, the recognition that the slut may be dangerous to commit to. It doesn't always end badly for the man, that's why eventually the slut finds a man she can settle down with and make happy. But it's a gamble.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 12:18 AM
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I agree, but if you're unappealing (to women) in your soul then your only choices are celibacy or lies, and most men will choose lies. Even if that lie is merely to deny himself and convince himself that the life women find appealing is the same one he finds appealing, and conform to the gynocentric hand of the divine femine weighing down on him... crushing him into the shape that feminity requires of him. I don't condone lies, btw. It's splendid sexual isolation for me. I already reproduced. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 12:16 AM
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I completely 100% agree with you, but i think in every generation there are men that Fate sets apart to be loners, ascetics, wild-eyed wild-bearded old men living in the woods who come down from the mountain on occasion to lambast the masses with fiery truth. These men don't get to have sex, only make art, cultivate wisdom and try to understand - truly understand - the nature of reality rather than just enjoying the ride, supping from the lotus, and being part of the great sweating crowd. I see …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 12:10 AM
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I am being authentic, I think you misinterpreted my first post. The most sexually successful men (group that does NOT include me) are inauthentic. They are authentically social and extraverted and charming but whatever words may be spewing from their lips could be lies, truth, made up, whatever. Just anything it takes to charm the woman into bed.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 12:07 AM
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But even in your post you said that most of these women are happily married which means enough guys don't feel that ick for their character arc to at least have a happy ending.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 12:02 AM
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I haven't lied a single time as an adult male and don't intend to, that's why i have a social malus as i go through life. People don't like authentic people if the authentic person isnt useful to them. It is possible I find a woman i have something in common with at some point but given the sheer... mascularity of my hobbies and approach towards life, which is straightforward work -> gym -> home -> kid duties -> provide/protect -> obligatory participation in anything else just long enough to get…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 11:59 PM
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The slut enjoys men but she isn't loyal to them, not until she finishes cock carouseling and during that phase, a lot of men will get hurt. Essentially: it doesn't matter whether she likes men or not, it's about the sum total damage she'll inflict on them vs the sum total pleasure she'll give them (ideally the last guy gets the most). I am not convinced the scales balance out better for a slut than for an average women. A lot of men end up being damaged by the slut while she is on her slut journ…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 11:56 PM
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I think "incel" is a kind of cultural movement. And even though I have had plenty of sex in my life and could easily find more sex, I find a lot of sympathy for these guys. I mean if you've ever gone and hung out at an incel sub you'll see all kinds of shit. Guys who are unironically much more intelligent, funny or insightful than the average person and should've been comedians or philosophers or scientists. Then other guys who are just pitiful or rage fuelled and incoherent. Guys who are just n…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 11:47 PM
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Maybe, I think an earlier version of me would've done that. The current me? My bitch ex wife had one boyfriend before me and that didn't stop the beast in her from ruining everything. I don't care any longer about the past, only how the woman treats me. Enlightened men will think like me. If I find a woman with a big long sexual past and she treats ME like a king that's all I give a shit about. But what you aren't realizing is that my wife is the same woman, just at the start of the journey wher…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 11:39 PM
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Yea that happened to me OP, got cheated on and now there is this legally mandated transfer of resources from me to the... personified moral catastrophe that is my ex wife. Honestly, it's ok man. The money doesn't bother me so much, it's just money. What matters is the fucking time. I could've spent all that time on a woman who appreciates and remembers all the good things I ever did for her, instead of one who is just a bottomless black hole of un-empathy, selfishness, greed, avoidant attachment…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 11:34 PM
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There's no point in doing all that if it will just lead to the same old disrespect Men need to adapt, the past is gone and no one can bring it back
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 11:29 PM
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Yea it's basically a variant of "just be yourself, inauthenticity is unattractive" and then you're like "ok I'm just going to center my life around warhammer 40k figurines because that's what truly speaks to me" and then women are like "ew no, not like that" They want emotional openness, vulnerability because it is beneficial to them - it's basically a huge info dump where you unload everything positive or negative about yourself to supply the woman needed info to make the best decision. If that…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 11:24 PM
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dated around enough This isn't just about enjoying the company of men though. Q: How does the slutty women become free to "date around"? A: By branch swinging, cheating, breaking up the instant feelz disappear, etc. In short, by being a slut. If being a slut had zero negative impact on men ever, none of us would feel the urge to stigmatize it. Men seem to value loyalty more than women. When women branchswing, cheat they often say something like "it was a bad relationship anyway" Yea and with tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 11:20 PM
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basically because emotional needs are arbitrary, a woman can have as many as she wants and if you don't fulfill some it becomes causus belli to cheat on you, leave, become not haaaaappy, female midlife crisis etc. at least money is objective and quantitative. you can compare how much you give her to the set of male earners in general and be like "see, i give you enough" whereas if it's emotions that just devolves into female supremacy, again, she can have as many as she wants and there is no arg…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 10:17 PM
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yea, maybe gender separatism is the least worst option. i would love to live in an all male society far apart from women so none of them can hurt me anymore. then you can feel the same sense of safety and relief, everyone wins.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 10:15 PM
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Interesting stuff. Thank you bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 04:19 PM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 04:17 PM
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Isn't the part of you that wants to ignore your gut in order to get laid, also kind of your gut speaking? Genuine philosophical question for you. How do you know which of your instincts to listen to at a given time? If you have a truly good method for this you will improve my life significantly, no lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 05:20 AM
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I think people would be much more interested in doing something like Gattaca - the doc uses IVF to make like 20 kid candidates and you abort all the ones that have genetic issues. Maybe eventually it gets sophisticated enough that they can tell which will be tall, which will have high metabolism and be thin, which will be intelligent, etc. That will probably matter much more than being able to select for gender. Honestly if they just select for high intelligence and... mental normalcy/sanity, fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 05:11 AM
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Maybe i'm spiritually a woman 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 05:06 AM
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omg please keep posting and being sassy, you are the breath of fresh air this nerdy "debate" sub needs to deflate our frail egos
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 04:56 AM
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lmao you have a good sense of humor, i'll give you that
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 04:48 AM
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I think it's pretty clear that people are not reliable rational actors. Individuals, no. The collective wisdom of crowds has much to commend it though. It's why capitalism works, it's why we live in democracies, it's why individualism is generally held to be superior to top down authoritarianism... etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 04:47 AM
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great reference. added to my own repertoire. bookmarked.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 04:45 AM
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Oh I agree, and the same applies for men btw. Men who are normally very intelligent and discerning lose all their faculties when an attractive woman signals sexual availability. (I am far from an exception) But what can one do? If people weren't dumb in this regard, we wouldn't be as quick to breed. Sure, you end up having kids but being in a miserable marriage but your dna strand doesn't give a shit about that. Nature only has kindly feelings towards children in the long run, seemingly. The res…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 04:44 AM
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You would think men would be FLOCKING to colleges if they were rife with opportunities to meet good women and have great relationships with them, and yet... I'm a believer in people rationally responding to incentives. Men collectively dropping out of society and institutions lately did not happen because all men just up and decided to start doing that one day. Something in the motivational equation shifted. Maybe being a nice, educated guy in an egalitarian relationship is not as common or easy…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 04:41 AM
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Women won't stop until men are 8 ft. tall and riddled with circulatory issues, prone to early death, they still will lust for 9 foot Chad though. No escape. Natural selection is a harsh mistress
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 04:38 AM
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Holy mother of based
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 04:38 AM
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I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 04:34 AM
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"Women lack empathy for men" so fucking what? You should be focusing on thriving without women. Men need to lift each other up. I have been on the receiving and giving end of this 'lift each other up' you speak of. After my bitch ex wife cheated on me, my male friends did an amazing job inviting me out, convincing me to go on trips, working out with me, going on hikes with me... etc. So yeah, they really saved my life. But at the end of it all when my psychological HP bar is back up to maximum. …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 04:32 AM
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With great responsibility comes great power, that's why men were citizens and women not for most of history when wars like this were commonplace, and male draft was just a fact of life that every generation had to deal with. I'm not saying they, or we, should just roll back women's rights but it's worth reflecting on the fact that whenever the shit really hits the fan, suddenly only men are presumed to have agency/responsibility - whether that be needing to fight in a war, or needing to take the…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 04:27 AM
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Yes, and I was eventually hit with things like "I need you to change and be more outgoing and have more hobbies and..." When I couldn't do this to the required level, due to being busy paying off 70k credit card debt that the ex wife had accrued during her midlife crisis, and watching 3 kids during same midlife crisis, she cheated on me. This is the kind of thing I'm referring to, unreasonable amount of demands and needs with too much threat backing it. Of course, it's possible my ex wife was ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 04:24 AM
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potential “new generation of asexual men” emerging too. I'm leaning in this direction now. I already did the wife and kids thing and, while it definitely had its awesome moments and pros, overall i didn't get the respect or loyalty that I think should've blossomed between us at some point. It was mostly a one way street. Opportunism on her part. A vehicle to get what she wants, rather than a place to express love or give something back. Now when I consider adding a woman to my life i'm like.... …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 04:17 AM
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I don't either, i don't advocate going all the way back to raw transactionalism/traditionalism. I just think maybe we evolved in a bad direction from there where there is TOO much emphasis on "you have to met every single one of my needs". Sometimes people put an unreasonable amount of needs/demands on their partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 04:12 AM
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No one can expect sexual fidelity in 2025 at any price. None of the contractors you listed can give assurances of that, even a girlfriend Maybe that was always the case, but at least in previous times (like in ancient babylonia) the penalty for adultery was execution. Even in victorian times, adultery meant financial hardship and losing access to the kids for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 01:15 AM
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I wish you good fortune in the wars to come.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 12:59 AM
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What you wrote makes no sense, what the OP described is a huge step up from relationships as you describe them. If what the OP described is true then you can just say "no" to the woman's incessant demands and she won't use her primary weapons (reduce sex or cheat) against you. That's huge. A revolutionary game changer in the lives of average men. So if you really believe relationships with women tend to be awful, then you should be jumping at the chance for getting one that's just neutrality plu…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 12:58 AM
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Stop acting like you can even get what's described in the OP for any cost. The reality is she divorces you and takes your money. The unironic glory days of being able to have a functional relationship and not get rolled by a usurious woman are over. You implying that the luxury model is out of reach is just annoying when even the base model has already stopped being manufactured.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 12:55 AM
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A person who understands duty is much rarer and more valuable than one who can feel love... a wife beater can love, a cheating woman can love, even a molestor can "love" in their sick fashion.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 12:52 AM
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Keep solitude maxxing king. You have my respect. To be "anti-social" in this world of vapid parasites is the true sanity.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 12:51 AM
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OP this is just the new filter function being applied in a world where the majority of men no longer die a violent death before the age of 20. Do you have the balls to approach KNOWING that a woman may flip out, record you, report you to the authorities, post about you on the fucking tea app or whatever? If so then congrats, you have passed the genetic test. In a few generations of this we will have no anxious men remaining, sociopathy will be on the rise, dark triad will be on the rise, whateve…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 12:41 AM
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Imagine you're bowling with a dude and he's like "I'll fuck you if you make a strike"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 12:38 AM
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There needs to be SOME path for a reasonable, good hearted man who is actually trying, to form a healthy, sexual relationship with a woman of roughly his level. If he can't do that morally, because of the viciousness of the times, and the onus remains on men to approach - then that's an "everyone" problem. Not just a problem for men to deal with and tough shit if you don't like it. And I agree that you shouldn't lie to get sex, and that women SHOULD vet men aggressively - that's a good outcome. …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 12:31 AM
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It goes like this OP: Chad boyfriend mistreats his woman. Woman bitching to Male Orbiter #163: where have all the good men gone, why can't I find a guy who's nice like you?? Male Orbiter #163: well what about me? I'm a good man. Woman: Ohhhhh not you silly, I mean someone like you... someday... I'm sure some woman out there will love you though. You're such a nice guy! Orbiter: I'm a nice guy but I can't into pussy!! Internet, help! Internet: YOu'RE nOt NiCe You'RE CreEpy For ThiNkinG uR EntITLe…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 12:18 AM
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It's just incentives OP. People are generally products of incentives. Ask yourself why men have disincentived female good behavior - or more accurately, why we've become indifferent to it and "baddies" get rewarded no matter how overbearing and obnoxious they become. The answer: male desperation. Men of previous generations were fine becoming ascetics and living as hermits, joining monasteries, being sexless intellectual Newton/Tesla types, or just fuck prostitutes and have no wife. Men these da…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 12:11 AM
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I'd be good with it. A woman can love you and still wildly fuck you over. Love is extremely over-rated. My ex wife, at some point, loved me. It meant nothing in the long run because feelings fluctuate whereas her shitty, mediocre character was a constant. A llfe built around emotions is a castle built on quicksand. I have much more respect for a woman who is (like me) bitterly, angrily devoted and has an iron will to stoically see through tasks that she's committed to (like marriage) even if it …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 11:59 PM
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The really interesting question OP, is whether men opting out is ever going to reach a critical threshold where society has to change or react somehow - and if so, what form is that going to take? Men seem to be much more prone to opting out of things and just going it alone and living in squalor or poverty indefinitely as long as he has his weed, vidya, homies to hang with etc. Women have a bio clock, higher neuroticism, more biologically hardwired to focus on making a nest out of her life, i s…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 04:47 AM
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No i just want a woman to like... cuddle, watch tv with, have sex, she lets me code, i let her do crocheting or roller derby or whatever, and we go on trips on occassion and have a few laughs. Instead what happens? I get a nagging harridan who is perpetually unsatisfied and bullies me to change my personality to first be a super duper beta provider choreplay type, and then as soon as her midlife crisis hits starts nagging me to be more of an extro Chad vibemaxxing rizzler malefluencer guy. And t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 04:37 AM
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computers will never hurt you the way people will. thats my solution at least
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 03:58 AM
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Well crafted. The fact that romance always increases linearly with sex is a nice touch.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 02:59 PM
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This is essentially a problem that is its own solution... if the woman considers it a betrayal that you had sexual interest in her, then she's a bad friend, and since you can't have sex with her either, you have no further use for her. Maybe subconsciously women understand that the relationship outlives its usefulness after the man expresses a romantic interest because now there's no cloak of plausible deniability for her to accept his largesse (and male orbiting friends always provide this larg…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 02:46 PM
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Honestly there is some degree of squeaky wheel gets the grease in this equation. Because, if a woman doesn't say anything about romance it will probably drop off my list of priorities somewhat. Relationships seem to go through phases and this is how it looks from the male perspective 1 - You aren't cohabitating. Therefore the only context you see each other in is meeting up and either having fun, fucking, or both. Romance is automatic during this stage because it's the whole point of your arrang…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 02:31 PM
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Are you actually a woman OP? And not a man LARPing? Not saying a woman can't hold your beliefs but my false flag detector is going off. Your post is too vaguely pro-male, logical, formulaic and ploddingly methodical to have been written by a woman. You can PM me if blowing your cover matters to you or smth
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 02:19 PM
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yea games and art >>>> relationshits anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 02:17 PM
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You're wrong OP, certain women are vastly more romantic than men in relationships. They just save that romance for the side guy. Not beta hubs.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 02:16 PM
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Twas Schopenhauer that wrote, The nobler and more perfect a thing is, the later and more slowly does it mature.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 02:14 PM
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oh i see what you're saying yea people worry too much what others think or what society deems as feminine/masc
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 02:13 PM
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that's fine they can copy me if they want
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 05:52 AM
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nah im just making fun of myself bro
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 05:10 AM
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i didnt say i got locked in, i said she got locked in. she just.... wasnt a great wife to me for some reason. maybe i wasnt interesting enough for her i didnt have a problem with her until she started chatting up strange men online. i was fine with everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 05:09 AM
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thanks big sister
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 04:05 AM
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i'm thinking she lost attraction to me early on but didn't want to get divorced because we already had kids and just wanted the stability and i was grinding in a dead mmo, basically like the game was already over i just didn't get the memo
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 03:58 AM
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yea she got pregnant early and wouldnt abort and got locked in, is my theory it's all good. 14's better than 34 i guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 03:57 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 03:51 AM
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yes, somehow feels like i lost something not having those 14 years to build a relationship with a woman who actually likes me and wants to stay with me forever but i guess money's all that matters based on your flair
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 03:49 AM
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i don't think Marvel Thor is peak masculinity, maybe Bane or someone ugly and smelly yet buff. pretty and buff is still queer-ish. cmon, Thor's got those long flowing locks and perfectly done eyebrows. he may as well be a woman imo. Thor the fair, they'd call him. now THIS thor on the other hand..
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 03:47 AM
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you're gay if you don't do butt stuff according to OP
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 03:45 AM
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you skipped b) but i guess it will never be fixed because of d)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 03:45 AM
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I got you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 03:44 AM
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my ex wife didn't enjoy making out. i think it was a tell, in retrospect
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 03:43 AM
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rip, you must be truly facially unfortunate
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 03:43 AM
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be the change u wanna see OP
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 03:32 AM
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didn't work the first time bro, although i didn't have a prenup. i didn't lose too much money in the divorce or anything though. lived happily never after, if anything
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 03:32 AM
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It's basically like your parents, they want you to exercise freedom and become autonomous but if you make fucked up decisions they're still disappointed in you Ofc there are those women who just always nag because of overpronounced ribosomic encoding in their 28S, 5.8S, and 18S rRNA haploid matrix which leads to an overactive hippopotathallamus and is responsible for neuroticism and negative affect in women. But for those women, you can generally just ignore them. I find ignoring her criticism, …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 02:24 AM
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No i choose to be a stolid, unimaginative, depressingly straightfoward and computationally thinking semi autistic antisocial maximally self-reliant and stoic curmudgeon, even at the expense of never getting pussy. It's the principle of the matter. I want to slam my way unthinkingly and unfeelingly through life like a steel claymore just on the basis of what I think is logically and morally correct with no deviations, emotional expression or femininity allowed. If you don't like that, or want to …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 02:18 AM
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Your argument could easily be "I am 80% successful at detecting bad people based on my vibes, I have a bad vibe about this person, therefore I'm going to keep them at arm's length" Ie, argument derived from meta self knowledge rather than direct explicability
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 12:55 AM
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is marriage even good, or required any more? i feel like the jury's out on that. maybe it's anachronistic given the level of hyper individualism we're trying to build here in the west. maybe instead of mandatory, it should be outlawed. you can ONLY be married to someone for like 5 years and then you're forced to break up. and no merging finances. this might make some of the more predatory behaviors involving marriage go away. the "just sticking it out for the kids" miserable marriages go away. t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 12:49 AM
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It's all very cool and edgy OP but.................... why isnt rape, war etc the norm any longer? Because societies that inculcate peace tend to be more stable and harmonious, which means more prosperity, which means more technological innovation, which means an advantage on the rare times you do have to go and kill some members of another tribe. So it's all good to pine for the virile male ancestor but.... the harsh fact is that he lost. He got weeded out of the gene pool, or the cultural equi…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 12:42 AM
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It literally is exactly what i'm describing, the person specifically says "vibes" in that quote, not objective assessment and analysis
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 12:39 AM
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I notice the fact that your post ONLY applies to good women paired with bad men, and says nothing about when good men are paired with bad women and every single one of the dynamics you described cuts in the opposite direction. There are some women out there who are just as selfish, lazy, self interested, annoying, awful, hyper judgemental without being that great themselves, and are the female equivalent of everything you're describing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 12:38 AM
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The knowledge that you can trust your preconscious instincts to grant you greater overall capacity to avoid interpersonal danger is, itself, a valuable insight
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 12:36 AM
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It remains to be seen, OP. Egalitarianism, individualism and free choice are all very enjoyable and cool - at the individual level. Are they sustainable in the big picture and over the long arc of history? The verdict is out. People were arguing about it thousands of years ago, Plato weighed the pros and cons and came down in favor of benevolent tyranny. People living in free egalitarian individualist societies don't seem collectively all that happy. That unhappiness may have something to do wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 12:32 AM
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If you aren't consciously aware of those specifics, there is no way to give them, and it's very possible to be not consciously aware of them but only the overall negative mental effect they produce within you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 12:25 AM
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If you can maintain high standards and never have it impact someone else's live negatively then sure. But if you have high standards, then can't find a man who meets those standards and then lash out at men that becomes an "everyone" problem. So as long as you do it in silence have at it, but the instant you complain about men sucking, you open yourself up to cross-examination.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 12:23 AM
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there's a lot of things i wish politically too but i'm also powerless there, so...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 12:21 AM
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At an individual level, you can be unaware of cues that cause your to have an innate feeling about someone else, and therefore be unable to explain precisely why you don't like them. The fact that the process in abstract is explicable is unrelated to whether the individual instances of instinctice relational aversion can be sufficiently explained with reference to specific stimuli or evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 12:20 AM
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Nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh sometimes things are genuinely hard to explain, your subconscious brain is aware of much more than your conscious brain and this has been validated by many studies. https://www.informationphilosopher.com/freedom/libet_experiments.html <-- time lag before your neurons fire to take an action and being consciously aware that you're going to take that action https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iowa_gambling_task <-- you show a physiological response to negative stimuli before the consci…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 12:15 AM
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i basically just want women to not hurt me or be aggressive towards me🤷‍♂️ or scheme on how to take my money. for relationships i kinda give up. seems like provider is not respected, fun guy is unsustainable, casual sex doesn't do it for me, manipulating and lying to people doesn't do it for me, so there's nowhere for me to slot into the equation
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 12:09 AM
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she'll shit talk u to keep her girlies uninterested in u
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 12:40 AM
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thats why your girlfriend poisons the well by claiming you have a small dick or anger issues or whatever
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 12:07 AM
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lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 12:06 AM
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the type of person that goes and accrues a massive amount of experience... why? my average relationship duration is 10 years at this point. maybe i'm like TOO devoted a person or something, but i don't think the polar opposite of me is necessarily the best when it comes to the serious work of making a long term relationship work out. i mean just mathematically speaking it's unlikely she was just unlucky and landed a bad partner dozens of times or whatever. and if she's just fundamentally unserio…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 11:53 PM
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lmao. yeah... as a fellow autist i feel your pain. no way out but the sweet escape of art, imo
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 11:50 PM
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It's absolutely fine as long as those standards don't continually ramp up once commitment is decided upon. The cost of getting together with a man who has X, Y and Z (that most men don't have) is that once you ARE together, you don't start messing around with the formula that made him a cut above. Women will often try to change/fix the man in the relationship and adjust him to fit her preferences, and then at some point down the line be like "the spark died". Ofc it did, you tried to make him in…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 07:14 PM
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i would have but she died early in a bad event that i don't really wanna get into online
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 07:11 PM
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Ok i won't do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 07:10 PM
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lmao, you aint lying
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 07:10 PM
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What if you just don't like being social? Is that not allowed, or...?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 04:17 AM
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I get what you're saying. I honestly just feel exhausted reading it. Doesn't it feel like relationships are impossible, kinda? Cause I can't buy anything with my money, and just have to hope the woman loves me and cater to her emotional needs... but those needs could just inflate and become unreasonable/unsustainable. I'm pessimistic I guess. I just don't ever see it going good if even what we just discussed is not enough. If just giving a woman an entire ass great life and asking nothing in ret…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 12:32 AM
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I didn't read the actual post cause i'm short on time but I hope you find the dom you're looking for OP. Don't forget to use a safeword though 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 12:24 AM
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If you can't beat 'em, join 'em OP 🤷‍♂️ It doesn't seem like men get any props or benefits or whatever from women for being loyal through the hard times. Instead it's "keeping a woman in a miserable relationship." Sometimes the relationship is miserable because the woman is aggro and narcissistic. But I guess that also counts as a relationship you should get out of. I've done some reflection and I think... why do we give gifts that weren't asked for? My commitment, honor, loyalty etc is a gift b…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 12:20 AM
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I went through a period of no sex or approaching women for about 6 years. It just didn't really occur to me to actively look for a girlfriend back then. I was dealing with, what in hindsight, I realize is an incredible amount of trauma. Shitty, abusive, impoverished family.. my first girlfriend who I really loved died in a bad accident.. being non neurotypical and bi racial in a hostile environment.. etc, etc. I pretty much found refuge from all this in art, games, books, technology. Being able …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 12:12 AM
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Idk, OP, i had a girlfriend all through highschool and got married young... I was basically never out in the cold sexually. But it didn't help me. Why didn't it help me? Because I'm just not wired in a way where I love socializing and dissecting people and manipulating. I want to just find someone I trust and love and hope she will trust and love me. But life just doesn't work like that 95% of the time. Being a undersexed soft boy comes from some deep part of you that wants to live a peaceful, m…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 12:07 AM
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It actually might OP. There's a reason society tries to persuade men to by fathers, family men etc. It's not necessarily that dudes will lash out if they don't get pussy... it's that a dude with no family is basically immune to society's punishments. The ONLY thing he can really lose is his life and for whatever reason, men seem to not care about that as much as one might expect. Sometimes dudes just go on bloody rampages for shits and giggles and like..... create a violent, fun explosion with t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 12:02 AM
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Therefore, it's only logical for a woman to look for men who are already fully actualized, or at least men who have the momentum to get there on their own. Women aren't going to be the reason a man grows and improves, so women should instead assume that the state a man is in when they get together is the state the man will stay in years down the road, for better or worst. That's fine but then how about not nagging after you finish vetting the man and get into an actual relationship? Your logic o…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 11:59 PM
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Honestly the fact that is SOME attempt to address the problem without just going "hurr durr incels, hurr durr misogyny" is a postive regardless of how inept and tone-deaf these initial steps are.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 11:55 PM
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You don't get to breed unless you can emotionally tank women telling you you're bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 11:53 PM
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It literally made it much better, thank you sis. I'm gonna go work on my game now and retain this whitepilled feel for the rest of the day. Appreciate it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 09:20 PM
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yea...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 09:10 PM
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In the relationships you're describing, if the man provides what I'm capable of providing, does it go well for him? Does it dissuade the woman at all from engaging in the behaviors I listed?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 09:06 PM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 08:59 PM
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damn i guess there goes my routine practice of operating on suboptimal levels of sleep >.< thanks again though
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 08:50 PM
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I mean if she doesn't hop on social media in her idle time and develop FOMO and start up emotional affairs out of sheer boredom and can keep house to contribute at least a LITTLE to the familial unit and won't stop having sex with me... sure. I'll take the deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 08:45 PM
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I want to differentiate between NiceGuys that are basically riddled with rage, insecurity and social ineptitude - quasi incels - from genuinely nice guys who are a little too soft, shy, effeminate, boring, etc. to compel attraction from most women, because those are two separate groups. The guy in the 2nd group may actually be able to become an asshole, because they have almost equivalent social skills. Masking is not that hard to pick up. The better argument you made is the moral one. It is gen…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 08:17 PM
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Maybe that's a good thing OP. Maybe the mask is dropping and men and women are realizing we are too fundamentally different to actually get along and after a prolonged period of something like societal collapse someone can pick up the pieces, say 100 or 200 years from now, and rewrite the implicit cultural assumptions that undergird most of modern male/female relations. Maybe in the future our great-great-grandkids will benefit from us ripping apart all vestiges of traditionalism... because as A…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 08:07 PM
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Idk OP I can't actually solve any of those overarching, insidious societal trends you spoke of and quiet understated biases .. or the most enraging part, just world fallacy-driven assumption that all failed men are failures because it's their own fault. People scrambling to protect their "default western privileged urban person" worldview, who are unwilling to acknowledge that anything bad could ever be happening to men collectively, ie, vestigial tradcon gender-essentialist selective reasoning …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 08:01 PM
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8/9 top replies are women, you hit on something here OP. Women have something to say on this subject for sure, and want to hear other women proclaim it to the heavens. For me - I just kinda wish women would accept or understand the fact that toxic members of their own gender exist. I think there is a prevailing assumption at a societal level that most bad relationships are due to the man doing something wrong, or not doing something he's supposed to be doing. There is this insidious narrative at…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 07:49 PM
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Lol females be gooning too, you're overthinking it OP. No matter what you do in life, some group of people is out there complaining about you. If you let that bother you you'll dissolve into a puddle of anxiety and analysis paralysis.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 07:47 PM
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i always fall asleep when i try to meditate, is there a specific method or routine you use? thanks for the tips fellow autismo bro
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 07:45 PM
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i journal a lot on phone/pc but havent considered paper. maybe...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 07:42 PM
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then maybe we need less debt slavery / indoctrination / sexual free for all disguised as education being rammed down everyone's throats, sounds like a win win
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 07:42 PM
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I mean, it's as decent an explanation as any for the 40something woman entering her villain arc and deciding not haaaappy and jetsetting off to "find herself" in Bangkok with her fat bag of alimony leaving the marital home in flaming ruins behind her (assuming she didn't siphon it off in the divorce) I do think that what you're describing happens a lot OP. I don't necessarily agree that the above described woman's male counterparts are any better at learning those relationship skills later in li…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 08:23 AM
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Recommend me some books or activities for that cousin
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 08:05 AM
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You like, can't make an omelet without cracking some eggs my guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 07:53 AM
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For me the problem is a tendency towards black and white thinking / extremism. When I actually sit and think about what to do about the problem of toxic women existing I usually get increasingly pessimistic until I arrive at some variation of "move to Alaska, set up traps and dogs to prevent other people from reaching you, write your memoirs, only interact with life through nature or art or animals - but no more human beings." Then what happens? A chick shows interest in me and heart/dick immedi…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 07:43 AM
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I literally did lol
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 07:34 AM
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yeahhhh you get what i'm saying. a fellow romantic. it's like this saner, cool headed part of me was like "hey bro you DO know your wife is walking all over you and being extremely ungrateful and you should like, check her, or get out of the relationship" but the other part of me was like I'LL SUFFER FOR HER BECAUSE I LOVE EVEN THE SHADOW OF WHO SHE USED TO BE. some weird dark part of my heart low-key enjoys engaging in blind, reckless, helpless, nobly poetic sacrifice for the sake of doomed lov…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 07:28 AM
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I think it's much more doable in certain contexts. For example, in the past men and women's spheres were kept more separate... cross gender socializing wasn't as big of a thing. This produced the uncertainty/limerance/time to miss each other that is a hidden ingredient of a healthy relationship - you don't give each other's differences time to grate on each other. Another thing is division of labor. Back when each gender had a clearly delineated set of chores it was impossible to get into a puss…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 01:43 AM
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The problem with jail time is it can just be commuted. Maybe jail gets too full. Maybe a prosecutor comes in with a political agenda. Maybe covid happens and jail is deemed too unsafe (for the guy who is known for making others unsafe, but we'll just ignore that). Maybe the false song of "equity" is getting applied to an area of society where it reaaaaaaaaaally shouldn't be and then a horde of monsters are let out of jail because it's unfair to have too many people of their demographic in jail. …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 01:33 AM
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The older I get the more I realize life is not about getting everything you want, it is about specifically and religiously avoiding things that suck (yet another reason Schopenhauer was right about everything) and then getting a LITTLE bit of reasonable, humble, modest pleasantness on top of that. I think men would be well served to avoid women who manifest the worst stereotypically toxic female behaviors such as: nagging, controlling, branch-swinging aka grass is greener syndrome, hypergamy, de…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 01:24 AM
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You must not travel much in conservative circles, OP. There's so much male worry over this subject that it's spawned an entire anti-jerk about "replacement theory"... one of the biggest conservative issues is abortion... you can't be conservative in 2025 and not get railed against for being hyper-fixated on birthrates and religiosity and constraining female sexuality and ethnonationalism and yada yada. I mean you basically can't talk about birthrates IRL without running into the bad faith counte…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 01:11 AM
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Just use your own life experience, I listed plenty of my own. I think it's very evident to mature adults that other people who think they're being deceptive are really not. It's difficult to name a precise behavior because if it were that simple, they would just eliminate the behavior. It's all about identifying an underlying pattern. Something like instinctual curve fitting. No two deceivers are alike, but in a way that's difficult to describe they're all alike. Perhaps they simply lack the pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 12:45 AM
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It is usually easy to tell when there's something off with someone else unless your own reasoning has been compromised. When you're objectively, coldly observing other people they are not that slick. It's only when they start to work on you, pull at your heartstrings that things become murky. With abusive relationships, that's usually what happens - the abuser is very obviously radiating toxicity but has learned to mask/love bomb well enough, or just long enough, to get the woman emotionally com…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 12:30 AM
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looks vs money is never gonna be a settled debate, this shit goes all the way back to aristotle and plato
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 08:29 PM
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me arguing with you be like
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 08:13 PM
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It's still 2.5 for non orthodox women https://en.idi.org.il/media/27466/idi_research_haredim_english_2024_singles3.pdf You can ctrl + f "2.5" Edit: but I do see your point, it may actually be the case that society having overall "healthy" (by which I mean likely to have kids, less likely to end in divorce, likely to report marital satisfaction) relationships are impossible without some form of indoctrination being applied to both genders
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 07:36 PM
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lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 05:58 PM
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How do you vet out those toxic men when you're dating? Just curious. Do you think there are always signs? Or do you just have to accept that toxic people will occasionally find a way to pull the wool over your eyes? I ask because I never feel sure what percentage of women are good people, safe, etc. vs those that are going to try and take advantage of me. And that's what leads me to hyper focus on bad women and their characteristics, because they feel threatening to me. I never want to be burned…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 05:57 PM
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best example is probably israel. high development and gender equality while still having a relatively high birthrate strong religion and having a kind of overarching cultural purpose to your nation's existence (stay alive against your sea of enemies), thereby blunting internal demographic conflict, probably helps
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 05:04 PM
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I'm just giving you shit good bro, enjoy the nice relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 05:01 PM
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then congrats, you are in a matriarchal relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 04:55 PM
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i think it's more about the fact that if anything goes wrong in the relationship especially involving protection or provision, you as the man will usually be blamed. female agency tends to dissolve into the ether when a woman's complex web of social and material needs aren't being met. if she really wants to keep up with the joneses and he "only" makes 200k, she will lose attraction for him, egalitarianism be damned. if a man won't get up when there's a potential intruder in the house and asks w…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 04:42 PM
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Men are stuck in a vicious cycle because society beats the emotional expressiveness out of us early on and calls us gay/effeminate for crying, being needy or insecure or whatever (except anger because that's cool and lit). Then later when we try to open up it comes out clumsily and badly compared to women who have gone through every single phase of emotional maturation and have 1000000 EIQ resulting from parents, culture, tv, friends etc training them since infancy to value and express and place…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 04:04 PM
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Maybe that's why mexicans are so easy going and taking siestas all the time. Can't risk breaking your fist.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 04:02 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 04:00 PM
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Based.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 03:59 PM
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Nah nah nah, with all due respect you got it wrong my dude, money can never make you Chad, I tried. I've got the flu today so I can't explain better but just think about it. The woman won't respect YOU, only the money.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 03:48 PM
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That's because he just wants a female slave to cater to his emotions while giving nothing back basically. He sounds like an asshole. I would know, I have had my fair share of experience with assholes of both genders. I genuinely hope you find a much better man who restores your faith in humanity completely lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 03:45 PM
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The problem with that, is robots will take lots of men's jobs, like they already have (ex. Manufacturing automation). The fuck do you need a job, or money for when VR AI generated girlfriend-experience-porn is basically free
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 03:44 PM
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feast your eyes on the perfect woman
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 03:43 PM
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Hmm I actually think the worse the economy is the more being a beta provider is valued, because it gets women closer to a survival rather than luxury mindset. Being with jobless Chad is a luxury.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 02:19 PM
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I don't like people but hate being alone too. I'm the same way. What I do is look for people who are on the same wavelength as me. Nerdy, introverted, anti social types who are more into things (ie, art, systems, games, literature) than people. I vibe with these people much more than normal people. For example, they tend to be ok if i decide to go off the grid for a few months and work on a game, and we can just pick up where we left off afterward. A lot of neurotypicals are not ok with that. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 02:11 PM
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Men who are both hot, and kind are unlikely to be single, therefore it's usually a choice between hot OR kind. Although I guess if you really crit fail your appraisal check, you end up with a guy who's neither hot nor kind. The logic works in reverse too. Most men aren't going to be able to snag Stacy with a heart of gold who runs 2 charities. Either because she's taken or he lacks a statistically anomalous male RMV that is the counter-part of hers. Therefore, a guy usually has to settle for hot…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 01:54 PM
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I feel like I understand you now OP. Your ex was just a lazy, excuse making piece of shit. I, however, am not a lazy piece of shit. Ergo, the male species is not to blame for any of this, it's just that bad people exist across the gender spectrum. I don't expect you to just believe me, because hey, I too am very angry at my ex wife who was also avoidant and 10x worse than the guy you describe (cheats on others to push them away, rather than push them away and get cheated on). And my anger at her…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 01:48 PM
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yea beta provider is a shit meta these days. even if YOU do provide a lot she can just cheat/divorce and take your money. no consequences whatsoever
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 01:46 PM
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lmao, this is a great win-win for you, im surprised if youre not wealthy yourself with sick moves like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 01:44 PM
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for guys who are young and feel they have options, they tend to default towards crazy/hot from what ive seen its only older guys that have been burned that get the tradeoffs
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 01:44 PM
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Your flair is having some kind of effect on me.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 04:59 AM
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I'll do it since you asked me to.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 04:48 AM
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My and my fellow tech bros are working on this homie. Hang tight, those robo catgirls are only a decade or so away. Who's to say the AI's not sentient? Who's to say her love for you isn't as real as a theoretical human woman's? Perhaps moreso.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 02:58 AM
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Do you think character, compatibility, and common interests are more common in men who aren’t charismatic, good looking, or with status? Out of the population of SINGLE men, yes. Because obviously the higher quality of male overall the more likely he is to be off the market. Remove the most sought-after males from the equation, and what remains is 25% boring ugly but good dudes, 25% boring ugly AND nasty personality dudes (incels), and 25% hot, but nasty personality dudes. Oversimplification but…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 02:56 AM
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I can't believe how many women fall for the "I'll eventually leave my wife for you" schtick.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 02:55 AM
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Uncle Kev too real for this sub
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 02:54 AM
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Damn bro how many times did you run this through the LLM
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 02:50 AM
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Yeah. Granted, I will mostly likely still use them once i'm ready to date, but I also plan to do cold approach, social circle game, get fixed up with friends, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 02:43 AM
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A natural tendency, guys will also let the hot crazy chick get away with a lot. But one that should be combatted.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 02:41 AM
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I, personally, do.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 02:40 AM
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Not all women, good women exist. I'm specifically referring to ones the OP is talking about who would give a hall pass to a hot guy and practices a dual mating strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 02:40 AM
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I think we just happen to live in a temporary lull. Born too late for the healthy relationship marriage 1.0 era, but maybe not born too early for the AI driven, sentient, loving and respectful VR spouse connected to a fleshlight era. It will all sort itself out OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 12:36 AM
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You could be right OP, I mean it happened to me. I was the boring stable guy. Thing is, I'm not willing to be a degen or cheater even if it means reduced sexual success. Just like most men aren't willing to run away from a battlefield even though it means higher chance of living, most men aren't willing to just throw a colleague under the bus even though it means higher chance of promotion/retaining your job, most men aren't willing to steal everything that isn't bolted down even though it means…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 12:32 AM
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Would you want your daughter doing it? I rest my case.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 12:27 AM
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Heart broken? No. Upset the meal ticket is gone/threatened, yes. Edit: Not all women. Just the broken ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 12:26 AM
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I have no problem with women having high standards. I only have problems when women do things like: adjust the standards drastically upwards randomly after having a midlife crisis, therefore making divorce and broken home for the kids inevitable. have one set of behavioral standards for Chad but make a lowly beta bux jump through hoops, and then not even treat lowly guy well in a relationship, raise standards because she saw on social media, "hey this guy built a romantic escape room puzzle expe…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 12:22 AM
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Apps are specfically designed to maximize engagement, make you feel addicted and convince you to purchase micro-transactions (super-like or whatever) The goal is not to get people into healthy relationships. If you think about it, that would be bad for their business model anyway (every "success" = 2 lost customers). They want to basically force everyone to engage in avoidant attachment driven, grass is greener, situationship-juggling, multiple FwB but still looking, clown world... get you valid…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 12:18 AM
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Oh yeah lmao, if the man doesn't listen to that he's just a dickhead. You're right for those cases OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 12:15 AM
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Sometimes the woman breaks up with the man after a repeated period of him not listening. Boo! Why did the man not listen??? Man = bad. But let's look at the hidden, unexamined side of this dynamic which is: sometimes her complaints were unfair, invalid and destructive towards the relationship generally. Ie, sometimes the man is in a no-win position of, "If I listen to her unethical, unreasonable demand then my life becomes unbearable, if I don't she leaves me" so stasis and ignoring her becomes …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 12:04 AM
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Lol that only matters if you can routinely get laid. And if you can routinely get laid you stop caring about repeat business, hence why Chads don't care about the female orgasm
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 12:01 AM
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Maybe it's time to look at other cultures with high marriage/birth rates and low divorce rates and ask ourselves what they are doing right that we (in our western hyper individualistic, materialistic, shallow, superficial, social media infested, rife with identitarian conflict, sexual laissez-faire embracing, world) are doing wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 12:00 AM
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Women would just demand access on the basis of inclusivity.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 10:47 PM
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OP, it was never any better than this. Go back to roman or greek times and read about gender relations. Thousands of years ago people were saying "women suck today" or "men suck today" or "marriage sucks today"... I struggle to think of a time in recorded history when there was little friction between the genders. Wherever two distinct demographics exist there's just GOING to be conflict and division. That said, if you gauge the status of gender relations based on online spaces you are going to …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 10:45 PM
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Don’t let the ability to sleep with women or make money define your self worth OP I find posts like these kind of exasperating tbh. Yes, in an ideal world we would all be independently happy just off the basis of self actualization and philosophical pride in ourselves and meeting our own internal standards and society, women, etc would never get us down. The reality is that we are the product of millions of years of evolution, where under-achieving, low status, under-sexed men were systematicall…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 10:41 PM
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Yes that is literally a relationship, it's when you have sex with each other and are exclusive. How do you raise children? You take turns. Btw, what you describe was the norm for certain time periods and cultures. Spartan men had to live in the barracks apart from their wives the majority of the time, for instance. The emperor only visited his concubine for a specific reason. Raising children still happened in either case. Sigh... maybe I was born in the wrong era.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 10:34 PM
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I would do some of these things, I feel obliged to provide protection for women because it's one of my biological functions just like women in my friend group feel obligated to do emotional labor on my behalf and set me up with single ladies. Ofc if she doesn't reciprocate in any way, it's different. But cmon. You're going to let her pump gas in a dangerous area while your ass sits in the car? There is literally no reason for you to not tank the danger with your superior male physique. If she is…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 10:31 PM
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I don't think all the women who gravitate towards assholes are shallow. Maybe not fully insightful and introspective about how their sexuality truly operates. The long suffering girlfriend of a hot asshole is very similar to the stable, beta boyfriend of a manic NPD crazy hot chick. They both get treated like dirt, lack boundaries, and haven't addressed their key moral flaw (enabling bad behavior because sex/attraction). That doesn't make them "shallow", just tragic and flawed, kinda weak indivi…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 10:23 PM
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Honestly a lot of his criticism is spot on. I don't know why it's characterized as misogyny. He is to the male gender what feminist theorists are to women. A firebrand, abrasive, exaggerating to make points, but containing many kernels of truth that his more hormonally driven or sexually normative peers largely ignored or glossed over. I think it's more accurate to say men and women have coexisted uncomfortably for most of history, that men and women collectively have never been entirely morally…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 10:16 PM
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I think the real reason debating here is useless is that you have two primary groups, men burned by shitty women, and women burned by shitty men. Then the argument tends to go like this "Women are kinda shitty" "From my point of view the men are shitty" "Well then you are lost!" Meanwhile the chaotic evil members of both genders are just out there living life, partying, having fun, cheating left and right, using men for free meals, pumping and dumping, etc. So no matter what happens we'll never …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 06:48 AM
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huh. interesting
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 05:27 AM
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worked for LBJ
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 05:13 AM
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based
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 05:12 AM
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If only you could patrol the streets IRL and hand out warnings/suspensions to overly dramatic women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 05:11 AM
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yeah idk maybe i'm mad at toxic women and you're mad at toxic men and neither of us happens to be toxic so we're talking past each other
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 04:03 AM
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I got her to admit it, and it was honestly like... i can't even describe it. The moment she finally admitted to it she had this look on her face like a stubborn, spoiled 6 year old instead of a grown ass adult woman. Just really angry that she got caught, no remorse or guilt or any of that. She didn't actually try to make herself out to be a victim, at least not to me. To her therapists and friends, probably. She did try the typical lines like "it just happened", "it wasn't malicious" (whatever …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 03:13 AM
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lol yeah i used to work in hospitality and not only was all the staff fucking each other, but also random guests and lounge/restaurant customers. also doing blow on occasion, drinking during shifts, arranging escorts for VIP guests... shit was wild. wouldn't wanna go back though, i don't foresee a quality relationship springing up out of the muck of degeneracy that is the bar/club/hotel scene. it's mostly just casual bored trysts, toxic broken people wasting time on other toxic broken people.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 03:07 AM
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it's probably a mix of both
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 03:03 AM
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I am not 100% sure, but I suspect I know who it was. Some phD guy a few states away. They only fucked a few times, when she made excuses to go out of town. The affair mostly consisted of him running game on her. They are still having an LTR for all I know. I literally found out because I was googling how to be a better husband and putting details about our marriage, which brought up an anonymous forum post where a woman was describing our marriage to a t, and then gloating about her affair. For …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 02:58 AM
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Nah sis im just being retarded and bitter at my ex wife, women are actually fine lol Rare moment of self awareness
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 02:42 AM
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hey borrow away, what's mine is yours
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 02:15 AM
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may Thor bless my dating arm brother, for nevertheless here I stride into the breach
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 01:05 AM
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Oh yeah for sure. It's good practice too for when a woman who is inclined to date you shows up and you aren't a quivering, stammering wreck because you regularly talk with attractive women. Being too outcome-dependent kinda blinds you to side benefits like these. Not everything in life has to be a straight line from point a to point b.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 12:06 AM
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Hmmm good point. I think it's men that are very outcome-dependent. They aren't ok with just being the male friend but pretend they are because they want more. Then when it doesn't materialize, resentment ensues. The key is to be okay with just friendship but open to more.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 11:30 PM
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I think you're cute, you wanna grab coffee?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 11:27 PM
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Even PROVING your dick is large via dick pic doesn't help. No escape from the madness.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 11:24 PM
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Can't do it. Can't let go of my foolish dream of finding a good woman who loves me for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 11:24 PM
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It's hilarious how this is the least upvoted comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 10:52 PM
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Lol. My maths major friend brings this incident up all the time, happened on the tv show "survivor" on a certain season. The all-women island was a dystopic hellscape.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 10:50 PM
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Mmm... The gay male divorce rate is lower than the heterosexual one, so so whatever's causing the lesbian divorce rate disparity is specifically having to do with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 10:49 PM
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It's better to date than not, because you gain valuable experience which you can roll into dating later on, and create a kind of rolling momentum for yourself in life... but your long term success doesn't really hinge on it. There's a nice kinda "default moderately successful life track" that involves puppy love dating in high school, with maybe some sex thrown in, and then fucking around in college, then semi serious dating after college and then SERIOUS serious dating in your late 20s/early 30…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 10:35 PM
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Love is essentially outside anyone's control. Choice and behavior is what matters 🤷‍♂️ Morality, principles honor reciprocity etc
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 09:24 PM
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converse over your work experiences You are EXTREMELY over hyping the importance or enjoyability of conversing about work, my guy. Talking about the kids being silly goofballs and what's for dinner and how she found an old recipe in grandma's cookbook or whatever is at least comparatively enjoyable. Probably MORE enjoyable. I am not the biggest on having to have interesting convos in relationships based on your "exciting" life activities, btw. That's a dumb requirement. Sometimes life is a borin…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 08:42 PM
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Women can literally compare you to imaginary Chad from a rom com or romance novel so I agree, fighting hypergamy is completely a non starter. I think it makes much more sense for men to shift gears mentally to "some degree of unfairness and pain is going to be inflicted on me by women, but I have to tank it to get pussy, how do I cope" And then just go really far down the rabbit hole of philosophy, eastern thought systems, meditation, the Jesus pill, exercise, working out, mixing just the right …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 08:38 PM
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Lol, red herring. I'm in top 5% individual income for my area, able to provide a ton of money and still functionally invisible because i'm not "fun" like non job having, social circle maxxing Chad who attends every party and club in town. I'm probably exagggerating or whatever and plenty of good women exist who would appreciate it. I'm just saying that making money and providing, in itself doesn't solve anything. Because for a woman who is inclined to be hypergamous, it just shifts to "and now h…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 08:31 PM
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Oh yes, because women are so stupid and can’t separate reality and fantasy. Some certainly are. There are men who run away with the secretary and then come crawling back to his wife 5 months later after being dumped and is infinitely sorry and says he's changed (he hasn't, just upset it didn't work out). The female equivalent of this type of male certainly exists. How prevalent, idk. Prevalent enough for me to have landed on one and had my life ripped apart by her. Prevalent enough for her to be…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 08:14 PM
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Fight against it DON’T COMPETE WITH IT and be ‘boring’. I believe this is the most (possibly only, lmao) interesting point you made, OP. It lines up with my current thinking. I think actively aiming for mediocre temporary relationships with women is maybe the way forward. Just be yourself and let the churn/branchswing happen to you when the woman realizes you aren't going to be a complete walking ATM, tour guide, entertainment provider and jump through hoops to win her approval. When you lose yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 08:10 PM
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Not quite that simple when it's the day-to-day reality of you being stacked up against the fantasy of other men - the buff fun loving Chad on reality tv, the curated stories she sees on social media, the youtube manfluencers doing interesting shit, the best selves that your real world competition are presenting when attempting to steal ya girl. Humans aren't rational actors.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 08:04 PM
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You saying yes to both, bro?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 08:00 PM
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The older I get the more I realize my peace is the most valuable possession I have and I must set harsh boundaries or get rid of anyone who threatens it. Because without inner peace you have nothing. So I'd choose peace, but this is kinda a flawed choice. Because people with cold, distant, aloof, avoidant personalities tend to eventually branchswing, cheat or just leave you for pumpkin spice lattes, travel and boxed wine with the girlies. They always think they can do better than you, not necess…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 07:53 PM
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offering a solution that doesn't necessarily sacrifice personal autonomy or turning society into a monolithic hivemind. I guess this is where I disagree with you, I'm a bit more pessimistic than you. There's no ideal middle ground where you get the "best of both worlds." Any mix you can derive of these two elements will have some of the downsides of both, in relative proportion to how you mixed them. Betas are getting fucked no matter what, basically. Although, I honestly think maximum individua…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 07:42 PM
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Human feelings are complex and indecipherable for the most part, and attraction even more so. Nah. This is just an attempt to poeticize something that is inherently ugly, straightforward and brutal. In nature you can see women go for the socially dominant, larger, more successful, more aggressive male and males go for the physiologically fertile-seeming female and this cuts across species and is not that difficult to understand. We pretend that other random factors weigh in a lot because we don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 07:19 PM
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The point is the "just get divorced if you're unhappy" argument is unrealistic. You go through seasons of being more or less happy depending on life circumstances. There's a very human tendency to blame one's partner when times get hard and sometimes that leads to divorce that didn't need to happen, or that was a bad move overall. Divorce leads to worse life outcomes for the people involved, especially children. Just insta-divorce if you're unhappy seems too flippant to me. I think society is sp…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 07:10 PM
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So you dont care if she's having a fun time dating you, cares about your interests/hobbies, flirts with you, compliments you, actively listens, etc.? I do care but if there's no sexual chemistry, those factors would lead to friendship, not necessarily a romantic relationship... and I may already have enough friends for my taste. Although, tbh if a woman was very pleasant in terms of personality but showed no actual spark/chemistry indicators then I would wholeheartedly pursue a friendship with h…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 07:02 PM
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Yeah but that's how it works OP. Nature created sexed species because it speeds evolution (weaker males get weeded out). Expecting women to not evince this behavior is expecting them to go against millions (billions?) of years of genetic programming. There can be some reasonable constraints placed on it, I wouldn't be with a woman who was "too hypergamous" if that makes sense because she's just gonna nag you indefinitely, like a scorpion stings indefinitely regardless of consequences. But expect…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 06:53 PM
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If EVERY man you meet is "the same" in some negative aspect then maybe the problem isn't them, it's you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 06:50 PM
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Yup. It's one or the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 06:48 PM
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Why do y'all want people to stay in unhappy relationships? False dichotomy. The point is the relationships could conceivably be happier IF the woman were to improve her relational skills, navigate life in such a way that doesn't cause her to blame her spouse for all her problems, and stop being an antagonist.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 06:47 PM
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Maybe it starts at being shit at cleaning and childcare, and since no man is present there's no default person to take blame and so the interpersonal conflict escalates indefinitely until hands start getting thrown.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 06:43 PM
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Some people insist on being unhappy single or married. Their spouse has almost nothing to do with it, its reverberations from childhood and unaddressed psych issues disguised as marriage issues. Maybe the real solution for these types is just don't be permanently unhappy. Have some gratitude for life instead of choosing the grass is greener, lean into my malaise, social media imbibing, constant misery pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 06:41 PM
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crazy outcomes though. broken homes. children with worse life outcomes, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 06:40 PM
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That seems too subjective an assessment to be useful. What constitutes "just suffering together"? If they get divorced that's an objective measurement, probably the only useful one we can apply here. We have no way of making the call of whether a given couple should get divorced. That's applying your own biased judgement.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 06:39 PM
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Or do you think married people should stay married regardless of how good they get along? Maybe they should. At the very least, there is definitely a spectrum that exists between insta-divorce because I'm just not haaaaappy (true reason: perimenopause, social media, grass is greener) vs tough it out even though you routinely scream at and beat each other and constantly having exasperated officers called out to your home. Maybe men's stolid, almost idiotically one track minded commitment to just …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 06:36 PM
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As I get back into dating and everyone tells me what a hellscape the apps are, I plan to work some cold approaches in. The cute girl at the library. The cute barista. The cute girl at running club. The cute girl on PPD (imagine the fun "debates" I could have with a bluepill feminist that just naturally migrate to the bedroom, omg). Obviously I'm gonna be low pressure and if she says no that's fine. My zoomer friend tells me I'm gonna get reported to the authorities and wind up on a list of some …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 06:27 PM
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Also, from talking to a single friend of mine, the genderflipped occurs all the time. She's a white woman, and her inbox is full of Muslim and Hindi dudes in her inbox even though she says she's not religious and is only open to secular types. Literally the bobs and vagene meme.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 06:24 PM
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That's the problem dawg, not every beta is mathematically able to get a woman who sees him as his first choice. Water, water everywhere and not a drop to drink.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 05:43 PM
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The "rise" of feminism? Feminism is basically done, bro. The project is over. More young women than men have degrees now. Women are outearning men now. And what they realized (even if it's not explicitly admitted) is that this reduces their chances of finding a man who is sufficiently above them and therefore tinglez-worthy... so there's nowhere to go from here but down. I think most women have mentally moved on from feminism and social issues to nebulous "quality of life". Boxed wine, outings w…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 07:20 AM
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Uhhh.... no. She could just reduce her income intentionally then go to some shark ass lawyer and take you for every cent of alimony you're worth. Spin some sob-story narrative about "abuse" or whatever if you try to resist. The children are a burden on her too, y'know. Women generally have children because they want children. They might be more reticent to have children if they didn't know child support was an option... but I don't think any of them have a child specifically for the CP except in…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 04:29 AM
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I think men that need a woman to display extreme acts of subservience, clinginess or "earning" him are probably insecure and desperate to feed his own ego. However, I think the majority of men just want a woman to reciprocate. Reciprocate his desire for her, his care and kindness directed towards her, his effort put into the relationship with her... It's very refreshing to interact with a woman say, in a dating app, that does not just do one word boring responses and wait for you to entertain he…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 01:46 AM
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It's okay for women to be gold diggers to some extent. Would you want your daughter or sister settling for some broke, guitar playing guy who's always talking about starting a band or fucks around with his friends in the garage making a "demo" that never gets published, never talks to promoters, doesn't bring in any money, has no plans to have kids, if they DO end up having kids ALL the labor of supporting and raising and paying for those kids ends up on her... guy brings in no assets and just l…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 01:03 AM
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Hmmm.... as an asian-american I don't think things are much better in collectivist societies. Sure, collectivism has a solution for a woman who would ordinarily be a vapid thot reading 50 shades and eat pray love and "finding herself" by impaling herself on a series of tall dominant men's cocks and eventually dragging a brood of bastard children behind her. Instead, that woman is forced to actually marry and remain with a beta (through social shame, grandparents and parents beating up on her emo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 12:12 AM
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That's a good point honestly. I do think when you remove the "war of all against all" element of human male existence, stuff get skewed. All I know for sure is that woman's innate biological predisposition is really averse to being eternally locked down by a beta male. Which I think has a lot to do with why society is deteriorating and we're undergoing some kind of sexpocalypse. I think it will end in a place where beta males generally inhabit mostly virtual spaces and have 3d, AI generated waif…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 11:49 PM
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Lol bro do I look like Buddha or Socrates or someone, that's what you'd call one of the central questions of life or philosophy or whatever. Not easily resolved off a PPD post. It's your decision to make. I'm asking myself the same question, but it will probably never be answered. Probably the real strategy in life is just remain blissfully ignorant and not think too hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 08:14 PM
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Yes, but real talk, most men ARE allowing those emotions in, even while believing they're not. That's the actual challenge. Not just saying no to the emotions but remaining in constant contention with them and being hypervigilant in case their tendrils are seeping into your outer psyche. It takes skill and practice to control your emotions, not just iron will.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 08:02 PM
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Just read Brave New World. Artificial wombs, babies raised communally by robots, the masses fed on a steady diet of maximally socially liberal, individualistic, indoctrination-slop to ensure minimum resistance to the encroaching monoculture. Distractions everywhere - porn and synthetic drugs and VR - so people don't notice humanity being slowly supplanted by thinking machines. Sex completely removed from reproduction. Sex and relationships reduced to just another form of hollow, masturbatory mut…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 07:50 PM
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Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 07:33 PM
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No non-monogamy. No "work husband". No date-in-all-but-name with that one male friend who's so supportive and understanding. No texting at 3am with with that one male friend or describing intimate details of your relationship for "advice" either. No sharing sexual details or pictures of yourself or forming some weird parasocial quasi emotional affair with men you're chatting with online. No asking him to open the relationship because what's the harm in asking???? No interactions with men you wou…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 07:24 PM
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Mmm, I get where you're coming from. I kind of detest when people blame "society" for their problems. I have managed to overcome a lot of the emotive and social problems I inherited due to my upbringing. Not trying to whine in the slightest, everyone has it rough in life. I'm just saying that we can acknowledge that for most men, attaining emotional awareness, to the point where he can easily identify when his thoughts have become corrupted or skewed, is going to be a journey.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 07:14 PM
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My mom did the best she could as an outsider looking in. The real asshole was my dad for abandoning his son. He might've been able to explain the situation with some more nuance... but then again his family was wiped out during the vietnam war so what lessons could he have had for me? Life sucks all around, but I like to think it gets slightly better with each generation. I only got to have both my parents for 3 years before infidelity broke them apart. In my family, my eldest got to have 12 yea…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 07:10 PM
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If women had the burden of approach it's entirely possible, even probable, that they would have done the same thing. What's the alternative? Allow your entire people to die out? And even if you did that, within a few generations any woman NOT willing to ride out and capture a bunch of war-husbands would have been weeded out of the gene pool because hey, they didn't get to breed. Nature is ruthless.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 07:06 PM
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There is nothing stopping men from sitting still and observing their own feelings and thoughts At least for my generation, there was significant social pressure on men to completely numb and cordon off the emotional part of their brain altogether. Emoting was seen as effeminate and possibly a sign of homosexuality, even if it was entirely internal. My own mother told me to never cry because men do not cry at age 6 after another kid knocked one of my teeth out. If you're implying men should just …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 07:02 PM
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Some people not getting love is not new, so why is this suddenly considered a societal problem for men? It's not sudden. The romans invaded an entire other country to abduct women because they didn't have enough pussy at home. War brides have always been a thing. If your tribe didn't have enough hot women you would literally ride out and abduct a woman from somewhere else. In 2025, men aren't really encouraged to be violent to get their needs met so the problem of unmarried men now has a complai…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 06:55 PM
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A lot of the studies suggesting brain development ceases or becomes static after a certain point were subsequently disproved. Your sense of self can alter a lot at any age depending on environmental changes.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 06:50 PM
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An objective man with no skin in the game tends to be socially perceptive and intelligent. A man in love will make excuses for a shitty woman and does most of the work of manipulating himself for her. He lacks the self awareness to understand that his ability to form rational thoughts is, itself, compromised, and keeps thinking and thinking in circles and spinning his wheels, never taking action to end the bad relationship because it only takes an ounce of sex or affection to blow apart the cogn…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 06:35 PM
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Idk, there are also too many women that do this. The fact that women tend to have more robust social networks than men is indicative of increased desire for social interaction. Not necessarily indicative that the woman is particularly giving or kind within those interactions. My narcissistic bitch ex wife for instance, had cultivated a harem of orbiters and beta females who would do things like run errands for her or help with her businesses for free. These were 90% one-way relationships where s…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 06:28 PM
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That's why you have the friends set you guys up in a plausibly deniable scenario. I used to wingman friends like this all the time. We set up an event, nominally just a large group of friends hanging out. Then, by hook or crook we engineer a scenario where the guy we're setting up is alone with the chick. Maybe we send them out to get beers or food. Point is if she's not interested there are no social ramifications because the guy never technically approached. Have socially competent friends, es…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 06:21 PM
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I agree, but if someone is like "do ____ or I'll cheat" that's just emotional blackmail. If you succumb to that dynamic you're a little bitch, in a way. Jumping through hoops to win approval, knowing the hammer could come down at any moment regardless. I would rather be like "sure, leave then. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out." Everything I do lately is about building the future prospects, independence, finances and resilience to not fear anything any woman can possibly do to me. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 06:16 PM
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Ahh, gotcha then.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 06:12 PM
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I have considered passport broing in the past, when i was still extremely angry over my divorce and wanted to experience what it's like to have mega-easy access to women, or have women appreciate me more than they normally would. But slowly over time I've realized what I really want is just a good woman who loves me for me. Prostitutes, escorts, sugar baby are not going to fill that void. Horny perimenopausal divorced lady just looking for some good D or mid tier single mom looking for her next …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 06:06 PM
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These guys are too invisible to even get preyed upon in the west so it's still a step up.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 06:02 PM
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Sugardaddy man - weak competence - has to pay for sex = bad dad (protector investment) That'd be awful logic then. Most sugar dads are divorced dudes with a shit ton of money to burn who leverage that in order to get godlike treatment from model tier women that almost no other men who ever lived will experience. They could easily get sex or another wife, but A) at their level a stipend is cheaper than alimony and B) wives are generally subpar compared to how a sugar baby treats you. If you can a…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 05:55 PM
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And a tall, rich, handsome, socially well connected, brimming with white privilege Chad doesn't have a power imbalance over basic Becky? In fact, isn't the power imbalance precisely what gets her wet? 50 shades, fantasy of the dominant male going for average beta chick, etc. If women were attracted to their powermatch, you might have a point. But precisely the opposite is true. The greater the power imbalance the greater her attractive and the luckier and more appreciative she feels.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 05:51 PM
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Idk, but she definitely wasn't mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 05:48 PM
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I don't think society is hiding the ball on "attractive dudes get sex easier than average, or unattractive dudes". Who are you going to sleep with? A 300 lbs chick with a stunning personality or ice queen bitch Stacy? I try to make a conscious effort to be fair. I have an attractiveness bar for potential female partners but above that bar, everyone gets the same treatment. However, we men can't really control our subconscious responses to attractive women. Odds are in spite of my best efforts if…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 05:47 PM
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Having your bitch ex wife carry on a years-long affair helps dispel those naive illusions about a just universe.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 05:36 PM
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go for the boob to chest contact next time, champ. i believe in you
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 08:19 AM
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would.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 08:18 AM
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he makes the common newbie mistake of being honest and forthright about his intentions and reasons for interacting.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 08:18 AM
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all non autists are untermenschen and destined to be ground up in the gears of the great machine god that we autists are collectively building
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 08:16 AM
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"voluptuous" women only for this poor specimen
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 08:14 AM
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he just played the numbers game with more gusto
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 08:13 AM
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teach me more coach
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 08:12 AM
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lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 08:12 AM
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Women could be insecure as well, I didn't say they weren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 05:22 AM
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I 1000% agree that it's not a gendered thing and that evil people exist in every demographic. My quibble with you is this: it isn't a sliding scale. Sometimes one person is clearly a piece of shit in the relationship and the other is a saint. Sometimes both are pieces of shit, sometimes both are angels. But the vast majority of the time, if you assign something like a "decency score" to both humans involved, it isn't going to exactly match. When you go to couples counseling or whatever, the coun…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 05:10 AM
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Nah you make good points, ppl arguing with you are wrong lol. One of my exes had huge D cups and i could do things with her that i couldn't with a b cup girl. Does that fucking matter to me? Not really. Because the b cup girl is the one currently with me and as long as our relationship is actually good I'm going to be too busy enjoying that to focus on the past, future or anything else. When women say "i stop caring about the exes when im with a new guy and genuinely into him" men don't listen. …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 02:18 AM
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Women in 2025 seem collectively unhappy and unfulfilled to me. It's as though they're constantly searching for something new that will make them happy - fwbs, travel, career, kids, house, husband, polyamory, whatever - and they never actually reach a place of contentment/satisfaction. It's not a competition of who needs who more. That's some very online, gender wars take on the subject. Who cares? It only matters if you want to use it as leverage to alter male behavior (which you have admitted t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 01:39 AM
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What actually happens is not receiving candies for being a good boy. It's that you're born into a broken home with no masculine behavior being modelled to you, or are non-neurotypical and don't fit in, to the point where life gives you overwhelming negative feedback unless you become essentially invisible. After suppressing your entire personality/identity in order to avoid being bullied/abused/beaten by your parents, you then feel incredibly lonely and want to be with a woman. But since you wer…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 01:30 AM
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In an ideal world, what you're saying would be true. The reality: there exists a subset of women, not going to bother guessing how large, who will exploit your tendency to want to solve problems through mutual effort and accountability. She will just have geometrically increasing list of demands which require your effort to help fix. Squeezing all the juice out of you, as it were. And once you're used up, bye bye. "Just break up with those women". Sure, but it takes time to determine the differe…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 01:14 AM
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Nah you can't just SAY that, she will shit test even more and harder like "wtf are you going to do about it" What you're eventually gonna have to do (assume she keeps escalating bad behavior) is kick her out or go no contact a few days and put HER to the test. How much does she actually value you? Does she want you more than you want her? Because if she doesn't you already lost.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 01:11 AM
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Can't speak to this, I am invariably happy when I get what I want. I think I may just be unusually rational compared to the set of all human beings though. May not be a gendered thing but more a self awareness and baseline intellect thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 01:08 AM
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OP i used to think exactly like how you describe, and I am so glad I outgrew it. I no longer care whether I am the best, worst, middle, whatever. Of course I bring a certain work ethic and creativity to the bedroom, but that's because of my own internal standards, nothing to do with meeting her approval or comparing well against the previous guys. Life becomes 1000000000000000000000x more simple and straightforward when you just focusing on enjoying your turn with the woman and don't concern you…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 01:02 AM
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There are self aware and intelligent women. The problem is that they tend to be less vocal (too busy enjoying their rational, stable reasonable lives). They also tend to be paired up already so the dating pool skews towards slutty obnoxious women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 12:57 AM
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Mmm, there's definitely some truth there. If I pair up with another woman and she's just 10x morally and intellectually better than my ex wife ever was then probably, my toxicity towards women will slowly fade. But if I spend all day engaging with other angry bitter men on the internet, the reverse will happen. The real problem is this though: interacting with another real life woman runs the risk of the same thing happening to me again which would be even more reinforcing of my toxic beliefs. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 12:53 AM
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I recently befriended a 25 year old dude who probably qualifies as a Chad - 6'4", handsome, makes well over six figures. He confesses he prefers fapping to having sex because sex is "too much work". I literally cannot relate to him. I guess men with this mentality exist at the upper echelons - everyone tends to take for granted things that come easy to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 12:44 AM
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I agree with a lot of what you wrote, but this part rings false to me: diversion and placation to guide the majority of men towards accepting a lonely life. To the promotion of women living lives of modern paradise of course. Definitely right about leading men towards accepting a lonely life. If men are still willing to be good worker drones while remaining undersexed and having no relationship (because women prefer to be kept in the rotating harems of exciting, non-boring, top tier men), then s…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 04:45 PM
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Thats never been a problem for me, sex always beats anything virtual. Lol you're just being contrarian bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 04:37 PM
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OP, it's cool to say that but difficult to do IF you are a man who happens to have had a wealth of negative experiences with women. For me, growing up my mom was BPD, and raised me as a single mom, so there was no dad around to put a check on her toxicity. My first girlfriend ever died in a tragic event. The woman who eventually became my wife is a self-admitted narcissist who cheated on me for 1.5 years and exploited me financially, emotionally. So I have a lot of trauma around issues of gender…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 04:30 PM
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Idk OP. I think sex work is a symptom of a larger problem - the disconnect between how male and female libido works, the inability of average frustrated chumps to become sexually satiated because either he can't get a wife/gf, or the one he does get has lower baseline libido or denies him sex as part of some complex web of power dynamics in their relationship. Not to say all men are blameless and deserve to be sexually satiated at all times but... cmon... is the utopia here really men having to …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 04:24 PM
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I think you are excersising some hyperbole, OP. I think like 10% of all approaches end up with the woman slinging back a rude, out of pocket response like what you describe. If there IS a screeching defensive response from the woman involved - it will usually be a chick with an awful personality who believes herself to be only 1-2 points higher than you on the attractiveness scale because punching down is always instinctively aimed at the next lowest run on the social ladder. If you approach Sta…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 04:11 PM
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hmmm nah, sexual racial preferences does not equate to racism, i certainly find some races more attractive than others as a man. doesn't mean i detest all members of that race, they just don't do it for me physiologically. if we're gonna force women to date asian/indian men, then watch out when you're forced to date ... uhh... individuals of a less than optimally attractive hue. what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 04:04 PM
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I just don't see those two things as connected. But again, it's each man's job to determine that for himself. I can tell there are many men who don't think like me. To me it is impossible to untangle sex from validation and therefore a kind of spirituality.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 03:48 PM
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I usually delete my account after a few weeks anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 03:45 PM
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I think it should not have been framed that way. Maybe they should have said "if you DO have sex with him frequently he will be extremely appreciative and be able to function better in all areas of life" The underlying point is true but negative reinforcement is much worse than positive reinforcement
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 03:44 PM
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I think it effects different people differently. Some dudes are legit porn addicts and can't get it up for their gf/wife. That's crazy to me. Those dudes need something like NoFap for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 03:42 PM
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Agreed, but that proprtional difference still doesn't mean it's common relative to the set of all relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 03:40 PM
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It definitely requires the ability to objectify others. The older I get the more I detest objectification in all its forms.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 07:21 AM
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the duality of man. slop or be slopped on
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 07:15 AM
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I guess some men are viewing the acquisition of sexual access as purely a skill building exercise or game and 300 lb women are the lvl 1 mob they need to grind to get better. This mentality would likely be foreign to women since they only need to choose which man to fuck and there is a high likelihood he WILL fuck her just because she asked or signals willingness to. There is no aspect of women-tries-to-have-sex which requires grinding in order to get better. Instead, they need to get better at …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 07:05 AM
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I feel similar to you OP but I have seen enough randy dudes on a cruise ship or at a nightclub trying to pork any vagina that will open its flaps to him to know that your moral framing of the issue is not universal. For me, I want to save myself for a woman who genuinely cares about me. But I don't think I'm the norm amongst males. I am very glad I lost my virginity to my first girlfriend who I had a genuine connection with. But even amongst female-kind, many of your peers will say losing her vi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 06:32 AM
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I think it is less a lie and more intelligent, but inexperienced men drawing a false conclusion from an incomplete theory (gender egalitarianism). If the theory were permitted to be fully fleshed based on all available information it would look like... gender egalitarianism + rollback by about 50 years due to hypergamy and female demand for dominant men who are better than them in most respects and are willing to take the lion's share of initiative/blame (aka responsibility, aka agency, aka auth…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 06:26 AM
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I don't think the majority of women are abusive towards men. Few slaps? Berating you for hours? Wtf? That shit is not common. Idk bro your post feels kinda... AI-slop-like and made up based on things you read, from guys who were also writing things based on what they read, with no real world experience to back it up. In reality, most dissatisfied women either leave, branch swing or cheat rather than get abusive. Prior to doing that, they check out and do walkaway wife type behaviors, gray rockin…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 06:04 AM
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When she starts raising her SMV and getting facial surgery or a tummy tuck watch out.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 05:58 AM
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It gets considerably more complicated than that once you have a legal contract or once kids enter the equation Honestly it's more complicated than that in general. Marriage/LTR goes through seasons. The empathy, commitment and character of the individuals involved generally matter more than "feeling good". You are not always supposed to feel good every single day or week or month of your life. Although I agree that if you consistently feel miserable over a long period of time, highest EV move is…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 05:55 AM
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Hmmm... nah. An image is not the same as the person the image was made from. Let alone hentai or ai generated hentai (mostly what i consume).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 05:46 AM
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You should be prepared for her to leave, cheat, act like a controlling bitch in the relationship or whatever it is she did that cut the previous man out of the equation. Will it be in her best interest to do that to you? No, but it wasn't the first time either. A scorpion's nature is to sting. Doesn't matter if stinging kills the frog she's riding and drowns her too. But hey, since there's already another dude on the hook for child support, I guess it doesn't matter if the relationship ends. EXP…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 05:41 AM
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Hmm that's a good point about porn honestly. If you're just using the woman as a fleshlight essentially then sure. To me, sex with a woman is not just about busting a load and it never can be. I find it very hard to objectify people like that. Sounds gay, I know. My friends give me shit for it all the time. When you're fucking a chick you're genuinely into and she's genuinely into you and she's essentially saying with her body "I authentically love and appreciate you and think you deserve my pus…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 05:34 AM
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Sure, i just mean when you're in a relationship and the girl, instead of admitting she is not into you is like "i'm graysexual" or instead of admitting she wants some strange dick and doesn't care you much and just wants your stability, "i'm poly" the dressing up of character flaws into wholesale identities (which the adopters expect to be lauded for) is one of the most insipid things about modern western society
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 05:29 AM
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Agreed but with the pretty girl there's at least a possibility of a healthy relationship. maybe only a glimmer of a possibility in 2025 but it's better than nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 05:27 AM
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Uhhhhh nah just get a good haircut with a fade and some volume up top, wear stylish clothes instead of basic jeans+t shirt, put on something that smells nice, drive a good car... probably boost you 1-2 attractiveness points if you were doing the default unassuming corolla-driving basic male style before. By doing these things you signal money, a willingness to spend it and care for yourself/appearance and higher than average competence. Don't sleep on body language either. Signalling confidence …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 04:51 AM
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The challenge doesn't come from just getting a girlfriend, I agree with that much. Assuming reasonable attractiveness, a lot of women will at least let you number-close or date-close just because they are flattered to be approached. So yeah, that's not the challenging part. The challenging part is getting a GOOD woman, who will not shit test you to oblivion, openly disrespect you, have mental problems, come out as demi sexual or what the fuck ever excuse people are using these days, propose an o…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 04:47 AM
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Respect. Great post. The expectation that men take the initiative in the dating sphere flies of the face of the aggressive insistence on gender egalitarianism and interchangeability that pervades most of (modern western urban) society. I think that's one huge problem. A naive guy lacking in real world experience might be excused for thinking "well if we're equal then I don't have any unique responsibility in this arena and it's equally likely that women approach/pursue me. That's how equality wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 04:35 AM
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Nevertheless if you're fucking an escort, or a desperate landwhale it may as well be a big party full of other swinging dicks. Because you know after you hit and quit, as well as before, there was a big long line of other faceless dudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 04:15 AM
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Hey, to each his own OP. If it works for you, or some theoretical dude then more power to him. I just know that for me, I've been hanging with a rather sleazy group of male friends recently and had the opportunity to be with an escort, a stripper who offers backroom services, get a BJ at a massage parlor AND casual sex (columbian lady i met at a nightclub) and i turned down all 4 opportunities. Why? Because I am not like these guys I'm hanging with. I know based on my gut reactions that I will n…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 03:46 AM
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That's an interesting proposition (heh) OP. I ultimately don't think it would help much. The goal is to get pussy and ultimately, loyalty, from a woman you are actually attracted to. Trying to fuck a chick whose league you are not even in, or heaven forbid paying for it, is a different type of activity and doesn't build the same muscles at all. There's no skill element. And your deeper consciousness will grasp that fact and not reward you psychologically since you are not making any true progres…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 08:26 PM
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lmao OP cannot be stopped!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 08:23 PM
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You seem overly judgemental or something. People are complex, I would say the majority of people well into their 40s and 50s are carrying some kind of unresolved trauma or parental wound. Semi dysfunctional people the norm, not the exception. I think it's kind of weird that you are seemingly upset or critical of people for just having negative feelings about their past. Policing the internal state of another person (rather than their behavior) seems too controlling to me. Where those feelings cr…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 06:13 PM
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Interesting. I may give it a try over a vascectomy. I am somewhat skeptical that it will be as effective but I kinda don't want the downtime/time off work that comes from surgery. Thanks for the find, OP. Finishing inside is peak. There's nothing that scratches the same spiritual itch, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 06:09 PM
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There's definitely a segment of men who can't get laid because of their personalities. Schizos, extremely introverted or shy weak types, passive people. You seem to be conflating morality (which I agree, it's unfortunately that women don't give a shit about that but it is what it is) with personality. Personality is a morally neutral trait. Every successful authoritarian dictactor had a magnetic personality to some extent. Who can form the biggest strongest gang, command loyalty and respect from…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 06:03 PM
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Men were the ruling class. The ruling class thinking they are the oppressed is uniquely, stupid and tone deaf. But it is commonplace, yes? The royalty are exasperated with their entitled nobles. The nobles exasperated with the entitlement and complaints of the lower classes. Etc all the way down, until you have a lowly peasant beating his donkey.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 04:07 PM
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Just wanted to say i understand the deeper point you're making OP, even though a lot of people are shredding you. Maybe you didnt bring the best points or something, but truth is women crave a man to be "the rock" in the relationship - rational, calm, stoic, composed, cool, funny, unbothered, playful, witty, etc - and that can be extremely demanding and exhausting position, especially when shit is hitting the fan in your lives or you're having to her defuse shit tests. I don't think it is true t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 08:27 AM
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Ok i gotcha. To each their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 08:07 AM
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They just create an impression that this is all men need some silicone and holes to be happy Well, carbon and some holes. But yeah. I think it's impossible to not notice, as a man, that you are expected to provide value in exchange for mating. Like you can literally go look up rates for sugar babies and understand that a romantic encounter, including sex, with an attractive woman with a nice personality is worth like $400. And this bleeds into expectations for relationships. So basically if you …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 07:48 AM
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I think OP needs to have deeper insights that wouldn't have occurred to most people or novel comparisons that most people haven't thought of already before making claims of being useful.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 07:42 AM
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Hmmm true to some extent, but raw transactionalism doesn't explain everything. Some spouses will stay with their partner even after that partner gets a terminal illness and can't provide any return on investment. Morality seems to play SOME role in all this.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 07:39 AM
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Because he's basically just restating what a relationship is with no actual insight provided.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 07:38 AM
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Understanding relationships, like it says in the title
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 07:33 AM
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Women's Dating Rules Are Impossible and often Hypocritical Yes, this has been common knowledge for like 40+ years at this point. The "husband super store" joke where women pass up 6 floors of increasingly amazing husbands and get to the top where there's just a sign that says "you are visitor 1305103531" is like 20 years old at least. I found a forum post from 2006 talking about it and even then it was called an "old classic". The problem is that you seem to think arguing or debating is gonna ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 06:10 AM
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GenZ, isn’t as willing to exhaust or extend themselves as much as previous generations were Good for them. Honestly, you probably come across to them the same way out of touch boomers come across to us with their ridiculous assertations about how much better their generation was, morally and kids these days just need to shape up and yadayada People of each generation, and human beings generally speaking, don't just randomly decide to do things, they respond rationally to incentives. Boomers didn…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 06:04 AM
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It's still too generic to be useful. Your "market"? The entire female population of planet earth? It's much more effective to understand what you're good and unique at and lean into/hone those strengths than be a generic product in a sea of generic products.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 05:54 AM
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Every N space is infected with N is a victim mentality. Literally just talk to your coworkers at work. Everyone in a given department bitches about people in other departments making their life hard. The fact that male spaces are full of bitching is seen as unique or noteworthy is evidence of misandry (lmao exaggerating but you get what I mean). No one bats an eye when a group of women get together to bitch about men over cosmos and appletinis. I think it's a common human trait to vent about pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 05:51 AM
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sex is WAY more likely to happen when things are FUN than when they are SERIOUS... So? The older I get the more I question the implicit assumption that everything must be about sex maxxing and all morality, common sense and long term strategic thinking goes out the window. I think I am much more likely to have a sound relationship with a woman who appreciates some seriousness/honesty mixed in with the fun, than a woman who is essentially trying to fuck a clown.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 05:49 AM
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I'm roughly your age and not a virgin and probably just as fucked in the head as you are, bro. Having access to sex does not fix most of the problems you listed. Granted... healthy well adjusted people are likelier to gain access to sex, so there's some correlation between psycho-spiritually thriving in the 2025 cultural hellscape, and getting laid. But no causal relationship imo. Getting laid doesn't fix shit. Making a woman love you long term and being worthy of that love while still retaining…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 05:47 AM
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Then why do you listen to them? I used to complain about feminists too, and then I realized I know none of them in real life. Almost every real life woman I know expresses some degree of exasperation or disagreement with feminism if and when it comes up. The ones that express enthusiasm about it were already obnoxious due to other reasons. Literally just ignore feminists. They are already dissolving and going away on their own as increasing numbers of women come to the depressing realization tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 05:41 AM
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The value can be anything Exactly, that's why this post is an oversimplification and useless.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 05:39 AM
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