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I'll take things that never happened for 300.
/r/EverydayMisandry16/09/24 11:17 PM
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I think you are missing the power component of all of this. When a woman says she's fine but isn't and is expecting you to figure it out, to men the illogic of this approach hides the intention. A women let's you know she isn't happy, but refuses to tell because this is intended to inflict emotional stress. She is feeling bad, she wants you to also feel bad. If you accept her answer and ignore her body language, she interprets this as you not caring and that causes panic. In fact arguably, she's…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 08:17 AM
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He probably asked and she told him she was "fine".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 08:09 AM
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Hence my point, life isn't fair. The reason why red pill is so important is that it refocuses a man away from chasing women to becoming a kick ass version of himself. Will this result in women? Maybe, as you say, some of it depends on genetics. But would you rather have a kick ass life and be disappointed in women or to be chasing them as more or less wasted effort?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 01:12 AM
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Why do men believe sex is degrading to women? Honestly it sounds like you believe this. "Bro. Just fuck and dump her then. Don't take her to the dates. Just treat her like cum dumpster." This isn't them saying they are degrading her, he's basically say take the enjoyment of and stop putting in effort because she's cheating. The sex isn't the punishment. If women don't like the men they are dating or get disappointed how their SO treated her, she would just break up with him. Is this meant to be …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 01:09 AM
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I think you turn it around and say 'For the right woman I am definitely ready to be serious, do you think you're someone I should be serious about?' It basically doesn't commit to anything and puts her in a position of selling herself.
/r/seduction15/09/24 06:30 AM
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Why do they block? How can she slap? Men have been asking these questions for centuries.
/r/seduction14/09/24 11:57 PM
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Nobody said life was fair. If you aren't born good looking you have to work at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 02:22 PM
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The truth is communication often doesn't solve important conflicts. It's a good place to start and it can solve trivial conflicts. But for larger conflicts the reality of compromising and possibly feeling like what you loved about a situation is being undermined means that communicating becomes the conflict and usually the solution is to agree tp work on it, which really means, I'm going to pretend we haven't had this conversation, more or less keep doing what I'm doing with maybe minor changes,…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 11:23 PM
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There are different layers to our brains. Some things we like are societal/learned, others are intuitive. Base level attraction is largely baked in (at the primitive brain level). You can believe what you want, I'm just here to educate.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 03:33 PM
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The system isn't perfect. But that attractive person will be displaying fertility cues, even if she isn't fertile. That's what physical attraction is based on. How do you think species all around the world mate?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 03:15 PM
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No, I'm explaining what people are intuitively attracted to. Inside your reptilian brain is a near instantaneously assessment for reproductive suitability. Symmetry, clear skin, shiny hair, a fit body. It all bubbles up into a cocktail of hormones that make you take pause when you see some one who's attractive. Anyone who's had their breath taken away has experienced this. Anyone who's acted silly under the directions of these hormones is familiar with it. It isn't kinky, it's biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 02:57 PM
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He's assuming that attraction is based on fertility, which it is. What is fertile is received as what is beautiful.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 01:47 PM
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I'm liking this analogy, because I own several cars at the same time.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 01:25 PM
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So tell that to OP if that is your opinion. It's not my opinion, I think women are unique in how they turn off feelings, but you are entitled to your opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 08:33 PM
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Women who leave relationships do so because they have Had Enough and are done. This doesn't explain why women uniquely lose feelings. You don't think men get sick of their wives? The major binding agent for men is family law which takes all their money in divorce. If it weren't for that, women wouldn't initiate 76% of divorces. It would likely be closer to 50/50. We are talking specifically about how female love is so conditional and can be ended so abruptly. This is more or less unique to women…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 07:50 PM
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I mean the Vikings populated Iceland almost exclusively by stealing women from Brittain. I think in native American cultures it was quite common. How do you explain why women walk away from relationships so easily compared to men?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 06:30 PM
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It's an evolutionary trait. If a warring tribe comes in and kills or enslaves all the men a woman would have only a couple of options. Fight back and possibly be killed or used for amusement and then killed, or she can get on board with marrying one of the new tribe and having his kids. The women who were loyal to their core had horrible outcomes. The women who could flip a switch and forget about their old life survived to pass on their genes.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 02:59 PM
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Also factually misleading. Katharine Wright helped run their bicycle shop when the brothers were away and also worked to promote her brothers invention to make sure they were credited with heavier than air powered flight. She deserves credit for running the bicycle shop and being an important spokesperson. I'm not sure what credit this person thinks she's deserving.
/r/EverydayMisandry10/09/24 07:18 PM
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Right, women are the ones who share men, often unknowingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 03:25 PM
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If he says he found some gold plates I'm out.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 03:24 PM
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Maybe he has, maybe he hasn't.
/r/seduction10/09/24 01:02 AM
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Wow, there are feminists everywhere.
/r/EverydayMisandry09/09/24 10:57 PM
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You sound like the perfect girl friend to these women. They probably tell you everything their masculine boyfriends do with them.
/r/seduction09/09/24 02:07 PM
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Having dated a lot of women I would say yes. But to be clear, I never intentionally played with women or pumped and dumped them. Yes I had high standards and after having sex I often realized they were not what I was looking for, but it's misleading to say I entered into dating them with that mindset. I was just looking for a good woman and found that most aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 02:12 AM
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It comes from insecurity. That insecurity is derived from her having a much higher sexual market value than relationship market value. She knows through experience that guys don't want to stay due to her low relationship market value.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 01:09 AM
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I read your comment history. Yikes. Maybe reflect on your misandry and try to be a better person. Imagine if the response to women clamoring for rights 100 years ago was 'Women don't need our empathy they want power'. Women had legitimate grievances. Men listened and cooperated with the women leading that charge for a more balanced world. Now men have grievances, and they aren't the made up ones about not having sex that you are talking about. Maybe, shutting up, putting aside your priviledge an…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 04:33 PM
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Women lie more than men because they have more reasons to lie than men. Humans as a group lie about a lot of the same things. We all lie when telling stories to make ourselves look better. We all lie to avoid conversations we don't want to have. We lie if we think it isn't a big deal and we will get some benefit. Those are shared situations we all lie during. Women also have safety concerns. So a woman is likely to lie if she has concerns a situation might escalate. Presumably men would also due…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 04:53 PM
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It's simply virtue signaling. If she thinks you will be more impressed by her chaste ways, she will act like she was chaste. 'I had some friends in college who got into hookup culture, I just knew it wasn't for me'... later you meet her friends in college and find out your girlfriend was leading the charge in hookups. She's saying it for personal gain.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 01:55 PM
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It comes from the notion that women are all dating the same men. So they are jumping from horse to horse, the same carousel other women are jumping on.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 01:53 PM
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Lol, their cherry picked virtue signaling experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 12:55 AM
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I'm curious, do you think what you see on Instagram is real life? Why do you think that? Do you think all of social media is real life?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 12:12 AM
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I see people on instagram living fake lives. Traveling in a social circle doesn't mean interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 11:54 PM
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Just via obesity alone the majority are unattractive. But physical attraction isn't everything. Most women don't live particularly interesting lives. So if you can't find a woman who's physically attractive nor particularly interesting, then the most you can hope for is that she's kind and caring and isn't entitled. Sadly these traits are also rare. I think most men would like to consider putting minimal effort into ones appearance, being able to carry on a interesting conversation, and not bein…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 11:48 PM
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i'm not saying men aren't part of the problem, but seriously I can go months without meeting a woman I think would be a desirable partner. Good women are rare. You could probably say the same for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 11:30 PM
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What's equal about men dying in war? What's equal about men falling off tall constructions sites doing dangerous work? What's equal about someone born without use of their legs? The point is to offer everyone an equal opportunity if their talent, drive, and ability allows, not to equalize the outcome or the journey.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 11:11 PM
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you can be monogamous with someone and sexually abstinent at the same time If you both agree to this yes. If one party just does it, they are forcing it on the other party who has not accepted that those were terms of their monogamous relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 06:40 PM
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I think you have equality turned upside down.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 06:37 PM
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I'm not the same person who described it as cheating. I clarified that switching to abstinence is no longer being monogamous. Cheating is one way of being no longer monogamous. Refusing sex is the other. So in reference to r/alebruto's comment, there's been a breach of contract. Marriages are typically monogamous. A person who stops having sex has left a monogamous relationship and is practicing abstinence.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 02:35 PM
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Honestly I blame family law that puts the entire financial risk of the relationship on the higher income earner. Once married, the partner who doesn't work or earns less no longer needs to perform. That includes sex, being kind, doing any sort of chores. The law has awarded them a victory. Most men's reaction to this is to assume something is wrong that they did and put in more effort. This can lead to years of them investing not realizing their partner is phoning in relationship effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 02:27 PM
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It means they've stopped being monogamous. Abstinence is not monogamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 02:25 PM
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Well it sounds like you are at the thought process stage of thinking this out. Next up would be to formulate a hypothesis, then you can see if anyone has studied this. But on the surface it doesn't pass the smell test. Unwanted sexual attention could refer to virtually any type of interaction where one party feels the other party is giving them attention that is sexually based. You could literally stop and pick up a dropped item and a woman might feel you did so due to sexual interest, which she…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 04:40 AM
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How have we gone from unwanted sexual attention from random strangers to an article about bosses abusing their authority at work? Sexual harassment is not the same as unwanted sexual attention. You've conflated these two things.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 02:08 AM
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I think when women are younger their rate of infidelity is quite high, but they create narratives around their cheating to not call it cheating. When women are older they heavily emphasize not cheating in their men because they are focused on their kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 01:35 AM
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Where is your evidence that those two women will receive similar unwanted sexual attention? I assume you have some study you are referring to? Or is that just your opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 10:57 PM
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By all means, let's teach the men who have never committed these crimes that they are the problem and they need to fix it. Because... reasons.. obviously.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 10:56 PM
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It's not that women don't have issues, it's that men also have all the issues that women do on top of issues that only men have. I would say some issues are exclusive to women, some are exclusive to men, but most issues are shared human issues that aren't related to gender at all. Women have lots of matches, but many of those don't want a real relationship, just some quick fun, and many of the others have incompatible personalities. I don't think this is the right way of looking at it. Both gend…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 11:07 AM
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I think the innate drive to ignore the majority of men is built in. As for what they select for, it's less survival focused now because we don't have survival pressures. It used to be a guy who could hunt or who was strong and could defend her. But now it's the same drive just mapped over modern societal needs. Why does a woman date a drug dealer? Because he can get her free drugs. Why does a sophomore date a senior? Because he has a car and she can get invited to the senior prom as a sophomore.
/r/seduction04/09/24 04:12 PM
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I think one of the more underrated aspects of a woman is her imagination. When she's with less intelligent guy who's going with the flow, she can look at him and wonder all the amazing things he might be thinking about, how his seemingly endless confidence stems from being so good at things. A more intelligent guy listens to women and has heard they want to be liked for more than their bodies so he starts asking all these questions and she thinks '....b-o-r-i-n-g'.
/r/seduction04/09/24 03:26 PM
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Women select men who are exciting, who enable them, who other women desire. It's pretty obvious stuff actually.
/r/seduction04/09/24 03:13 PM
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The bar is on the floor guy. I have browsed men's profiles with a girl friend once or twice to see what their experience is like. In fairness, dating apps sort for different things by gender. For men, they show the most attractive members (as voted by other men). Many of these will be popular, inactive members who haven't yet deleted their profile. They do this so you'll exhaust your swipes and subscribe. The goal is to show you a seemingly infinite supply of the most attractive women. For women…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 03:10 PM
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Men's dating is like finding water in a dessert. Women's dating is like finding a needle in a haystack. We just come at the dating market from two different realities and our strategies reflect the realities we face.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 10:26 AM
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But toothpick skinny isn't desirable for a man, where as a slim woman is.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 10:11 AM
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Imagine if we could just simply ask the person if they sex like "hey we should have sex sometime?" There's noting stopping you from doing this. instead, we play these games and make it complicated Females of all species are charged with the role of selecting which males reproduce. The literal survival of the species depends on women selecting the best candidates. A female monarch butterfly will reject mating with a male who's wing pattern is 1/32nd of an inch out of symmetry (too ugly apparently…
/r/seduction04/09/24 10:09 AM
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Honestly in the US, a woman who isn't fat is a pretty high standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 10:00 AM
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Obesity rates for men are actually higher Wrong, the numbers are close so it's a bit of splitting hairs but 34.1% of women are obese where as 32.6% of men are obese. So women are slightly more obese, but as I said, the numbers pretty close. Source Statista https://www.statista.com/statistics/237133/us-obesity-by-gender/
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 09:58 AM
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Can you imagine those poor, poor butch lesbians... being treated like men? That's cruel and inhumane no matter how you look at it.
/r/EverydayMisandry03/09/24 08:04 PM
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Honestly a lot of chores come from personal preference. I know people who don't think cleaning services do proper cleaning or that eating out is good food. They prefer how they do it. The only issue with that is when they do these things that they don't like others doing is when they then assume their part will do it with them 50/50. The partner might be fine hiring a cleaning service or eating out. So they compromise by letting their partner with the passion do what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 01:53 PM
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You are talking about something that is well under 1% of normal in the west.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 08:39 AM
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You'd have to ask men from those countries and culture. This isn't a thing in the West. It would just be seen as criminal if it happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 12:03 AM
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What are some examples of male anger towards women?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 10:43 PM
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He asks you to dress as a pizza delivery girl or for you to get stuck under the couch.
/r/seduction02/09/24 10:42 PM
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If there's no discrimination for childcare, why aren't men taking the same amount of time off? I would assume that because a new born requires breast milk most couples pick the mother to take the time off. If the father takes the time off the mother would still be required to pump or they would be forced to use formula. Formula is less healthy than breast milk and pumping would still impact the mother. There's no systemic bias in society that causes this. It's simply the most efficient thing to …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 01:29 PM
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It required looking into the data to know. You can't know from the initial data just because there's clearly a discrepancy. When you correct for experience and education there's not meaningful wage gap, so we know it's not discrimination or patriarchy. There's a gap due to having children, but taking time off is no different regardless of the reason, taking care of an aging parent or ill spouse, etc. So again, no discrimination can be found on a second order look. Then when you look across the b…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 01:14 PM
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100%
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 01:09 PM
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I think marriage is dying because divorce is designed to make one partner carry all the financial risk in the relationship, while rewarding the other. So it's just a broken institution. As far as relationships in general in decline, I think it's pretty clear, when given enough resources, it turns out most women don't want to be with most men. This was probably always the case but they didn't have the financial resources to avoid it. So it's just the new reality. We are reverting to polygamy wher…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 05:04 AM
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Dating apps are 75% men, so there is a skewing that goes on. I think an average man sees an average woman and is just confused as to why she seems to think she's a 10 when she clearly isn't. Remember, there's sexual market value, of which women will have value as long as they are interested in sex. Then there's relationship value and those two numbers are almost never the same. This is why women think they are 10s, because they can always give away sex. They mostly are confused as to why they ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 04:43 AM
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Exactly, scholarships for women discriminate against men. Call it a major success for society, we saw a problem, we propped women up, now we can end the support and treat women the same as everyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 04:17 AM
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Choose meaning what? Don't have a financial access to go? Women fewer women went to college was that because women didn't want to go? What about CEO jobs, are their fewer women CEOs because women choose not to be CEOs?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 04:16 AM
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So I'm a little confused, you are basically spitting out Red Pill talking points which I agree with. The only point of contention is that you seem to think there's men who think women are in their league when you think they are not. Generally speaking women only see 20% of men at most as viable, where as men see around 60% of women as viable. So the data makes it pretty clear which gender is more delusional. Women, like men, span the gamut of 1-10 on a rating scale, so 80% of women are delusiona…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 04:15 AM
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More women have the option of going to college.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 03:18 PM
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We should make them genderless. There are already laws against discriminating against gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 03:17 PM
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So you'd be fine with it? Great. My truck needs a change right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 03:17 PM
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People can want whatever they want. They can only have what someone else is willing to give them. A woman smashing a top 5% man for 6 months is gonna change her expectations. I doubt a land whale is getting smashed 6 months by a top 5% guy. More than likely 1 time. Most of the posts of men complaining about leagues, are usually complaining about not getting a match, or a second date with someone who’s “their league” This is primarily referring to online dating, where most men's profile's are lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 03:16 PM
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Okay but can men get relationships with women who won’t even sleep with them? No. Why are you guys in the same league with girls you can’t even get whatsoever? Who is saying they are? But her real life experience of smashing a man short term doesn’t count? Not as a committed relationship. Women (and men) have a sexual market value and a relationship market value. For women their sexual market value is almost always higher than their relationship market value. Men will sleep with women they would…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 09:43 AM
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I personally don't have any issue with women's empowerment. Plenty of talented and capable women. I think we can consider the societal institutions we put in place to prop up women as hugely successful and it may be time to start dismantling them as women seem to no longer need to be propped up. As an example, and I can give many. Women have many more opportunities for scholarships and count as diversity entrances to colleges. And more women go to college. Time to level the playing field there.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 03:49 AM
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It's different for men and women. Men verify sexual access first, so women can get with guys higher than them for sex, they just can't secure a relationship with them. They are offered a situationship instead where the guy seeks women at his own level. The sad truth of women always dating up is that men, generally speaking are always dating down. When women "settle" that's when they actually find a man just slightly above them.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 10:40 PM
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Once you accept that men and women navigate completely different dating markets and have completely different dating strategies because of it most of these double standards become meaningless.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 02:25 PM
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No you just complain a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 02:20 PM
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But men usually don't make a big fuss and probably don't even bother to list half the things they did. Women will list putting the toilet sit lid down as a chore.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 02:18 PM
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So if I want to change the oil in my car and I tell my partner, we don't need to pay for oil changes we can do them ourselves. If she says okay I can expect her to perform 50% of the oil changes by herself? No, she's agreeing to let me have it my way. She's agreeing not to undermine me, she will let me change the oil without taking it to a dealership. It's not that she couldn't get the oil changed. She knows how she would do it, but I've just told her I don't want us doing it the way she would d…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 02:17 PM
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A big part of it is that women often want their house or apartment to be cleaner than men do Then it makes perfect sense they would take over that task to do it to the standard they want. The man compromises by not trying to inject his level of cleanliness on her, he accepts her level and allows her to do. Compromise achieved.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 03:20 AM
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You aren't really doing a good job of selling the 'women don't complain' narrative. I mean read back your statements.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 03:18 AM
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They probably were just more particular about how things get done. Usually if something bothers one partner more or they one things done to a certain standard they realize they have to do it themselves. Those woman then report on the tasks they take over and conveniently ignore the tasks the men took over because they didn't like how they got done if they asked their wives.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 03:17 AM
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The bottom line is that people who are doing this are being out competed by immigrants who have their several kids in their early 20s. There will just be way more of these immigrants in a generation and if the trend continues the low birth rates will just cause the population with those birth rates to collapse. To be replaced by people who are having kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 01:52 PM
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In relationships men get what they truely want: consistent sex. Hahahaha. First sentence, straight to the delusion. Modern relationships cater towards men. Modern divorce certainly doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 02:29 PM
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True, after you date them you do realize you were taken advantage of... by them. That's how you learn.
/r/seduction27/08/24 07:38 PM
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The obvious solution to all of this is just making paternity tests mandatory. Women's power is in the narrative's they tell, whether that's perpetually finding a way to make themselves the victim of a situation or just pure gaslighting. Women will say 'Why didn't he get a paternity test?' but in their own lives they will tell a man if he gets a test she will take it as an accusation of cheating and never trust him again. This allows her to police the action while simultaneously blaming a man for…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 07:33 PM
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Lol, women are trying to coerce you to do more things for them, that is in no way shape or form making you a better man. In many cases you do the work and then they lose interest, so doing what she asks will eventually lead to the end of the relationship. Now basic adulting things like cleaning up after yourself, better grooming habits, sure those are things you should have learned as an adult already and if she had to tell you then, yes that made you more of an adult, but a lot things like text…
/r/seduction27/08/24 05:02 PM
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When things don't work out for men the message is work harder When things don't work out for women the message is you deserve better.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 01:59 PM
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I don't think that's entirely true. Everyone can become more physically fit. Everyone can learn to dress better to compliment their body type. Everyone can learn to be more interested in a broader array of things and become better at conversation. Everyone can learn to be inclusive and engaging in conversation. I knew a 5'7" slightly over weight guy who slayed with women. He had an awesome personally, was funny, was threatened by other men but instead was always complimentary. He liked to live l…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 01:49 AM
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We are going in circles here. Women who work are providing. I'm saying from a male perspective, a woman who wants to focus on the family is a better situation for you than a woman who also wants to be a financial provider. I'm not saying a woman providing financially is bad, for many people it's simply the best they can attract. I'm just saying as a man there's a better option if you can attract it (and support it). There's nothing wrong with a woman working. There's nothing wrong with someone w…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 01:17 AM
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I don't think you need to be a sociopath, just realize women have high standards (standards that they themselves can't meet), so as a man you need to be on your grind of improving yourself. Agreed on ignoring women's advice. Women treat different men differently and what they are suggesting will fall under how they see you and what they might want from you, which is very likely totally different from what you want and what you are trying to achieve, so it's just not useful.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 01:12 AM
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I think dating apps have just exposed that women really aren't attracted to most men. They'd rather travel 2-3 or 4 hours to bang a hot guy in a once a month situationship than date a normal guy next door and this seems to be irrespective of the woman's attractiveness. This has more than likely always been the case, but prior to dating apps meeting people 4 hours away wasn't likely so women chose from the men in their peer circle. Now they can chase fantasy men and clearly are more interested in…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 11:37 PM
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Are you familiar with money? It allows the purchase of goods and services as well as property. It's kind of important in the West.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 11:27 PM
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I'd say at least that many women say that they are looking for a long term relationship. It's meaningless. A good woman will make a man want to settle down and an attractive guy will make a woman hook up who claims she's looking for investment. No real surprise there.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 11:20 PM
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And what compensates the man for years of providing for the woman? She has reduced income streams until she gets herself a steady job, he has a sunk lost cost of years invested in someone who left. They both take a hit. Why do we only view it as a woman's loss? Providing for another able bodied person can cost in excess of 6 figures annually.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 07:30 PM
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I'm asking why you think it's unique to women to have to solely focus on their familes and not also men I don't think that. I think a career oriented woman could find a family/child rearing focused man and do similar. It has not been my experience that woman find men like this attractive, but in theory, hey why not. The one exception is maybe the first year when breast feeding is occurring. Mother's are obviously more suited to breast feeding. Pumping and re-warming milk can alleviate this with …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 07:24 PM
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If you are doing one thing you are not doing something else. If you are working your butt off on your career then it goes without saying you aren't going to be taking care of your kids minute by minute. It's a sacrifice you make as a provider.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 07:20 PM
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And if a woman can find a man to stay at home and was interested in that man I'd argue it would lead to better outcomes for her children the same way I think it leads to better outcomes for men who marry women who want to be active mothers.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 07:19 PM
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Well in that case neither is the man. If they are young they both have time to recover... independently.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 07:16 PM
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No kidding, women don't just fake orgasms, they often fake entire relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 07:15 PM
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Okay, what does this have to do with men? Half of everything accumulated during the marriage is hers, what more do you want?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 03:49 PM
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Are you suggesting they shouldn't so they can focus on their families? Are you asking if I think both parents shouldn't work and focus on their children? That's not a reality for me so I've never thought about it. I guess if they wealthy and don't need to work I guess it would be great. I don't think it would apply to many though. Are you a sahp? I work from home, and I do some of the child care (picking them up from school).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 03:48 PM
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If a career woman can find a man that does this I would agree. The problem is more career women don't want men like this. But that's a different issue. Yes, having a parent stay at home and focus on the kids is an incredible contribution to a partnership. Men definitely value it, women in my experience not so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 03:31 PM
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Sounds like she's making a lot of bad choices from who she married, to why she divorced and abandoned a marriage. People who make bad choices usually have bad outcomes. That's unfortunate.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 03:24 PM
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Because she will be pouring her energy into her career and not the family. It's not that it can't work, it's just less desirable than a partner who wants to put her energy into the family.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 03:22 PM
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I've been with more women than I think it appropriate to mention on reddit. I can think of 3 women I've met who struggled to orgasm. A single digit percentage. Women climax from different things. Some women love oral, some hate it. Some women like PIV by itself, some like clitoral stimulation during PIV. More women than seem to be willing to admit it love anal and have their best orgasms from it. All women are different (as I assume are all men). But I can say with certainty the majority of wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 03:21 PM
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I think you mean after she's divorced. A stay at home partner in a marriage doesn't worry about these things. Half of everything is hers.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 03:14 PM
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Providing for an able bodied adult as well as children is quite difficult. It's an incredible gift to give another human being. It opens the door for a partner who sees their life's purpose to raise healthy, well adjusted children the option to do so. The courts also heavily protect this non working party (some would say too much, for example if the stay at home partner is cheating, they still are fully protected). A woman who focus' on her career very well may be a fine person, she's probably j…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 02:55 PM
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Start with women you find unattractive. It will take all the pressure off and you'll lose any anxiety quickly because you won't care about the result of practice.
/r/seduction26/08/24 02:38 PM
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Unless a man has virtually no appeal in the dating market, all men look to verify sexual access before evaluating a woman for relationship material. If 80% 'are just looking for sex' this actually means 80% of the men who have sex with you don't see you as on their level for a relationship. A lot of guys on dating apps are also very unattractive and below looks match of the average women. And I think we found the problem, OP overestimates their attractiveness. The average woman is a 5, just like…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 02:37 PM
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Dang u/Upstairs-Calendar-52 has taken the Red Pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 02:32 PM
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By and large men already filter for this. I even had a female friend of mine tell me that all women who struggle with orgasms are single (her words not mine).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 04:57 AM
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Men have an adversarial system where we compete with each other. Even if you are a boss, people under you want your job and compete with you and undermine you. You learn to deal with this by finding common ground and mutually desired goals as well as embracing goals of those who aren't 100% on your side to bring them to where a tenuous truce can be reached to be productive. Women don't typically like an adversarial system. This is why when they become bosses and they feel people undermining them…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 04:36 AM
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California SB 826
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 04:17 AM
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When adjusted for education, job title and hours worked women earn only slightly more than man, it's not something to worry about.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 02:28 PM
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What wage gap?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 02:25 PM
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Women have come a long way, and great for them. I think we've reached the stage where we can finally stop using Government programs to prop them up. Women are smart and resourceful and can compete on even footing with men if we simply let them. There's no reason to have laws that require company boards be 50% women or similar for executive jobs. Let the most qualified person regardless of race, gender or sexual orientation get those jobs. That's what the government can do, it can stop meddling w…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 02:17 PM
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That doesn't mean anything. The instances where men can win they are told by their lawyers they can win. I know from personal experience that a family law attorney will tell you 'She's the primary care giver, you are not going to get custody. It's a waste of money to seek custody' Why? Men don’t take care of the children in their home fifty percent of the time. Because men are better parents and the women should work on getting a job and stabilizing their income. This is a much better outcome th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 11:27 PM
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Men don't seek it because they are told they won't win. Just make custody 50/50 by default with no child support. That would solve the majority of the problems. Child support should only take effect if one parent refuses to live up to their 50/50 obligation. Stop pretending to care about this. It’s another phony ass virtue signal from men who have zero desire to make any changes. Lol, I'm the only one between the two of us that cares about men's rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 11:09 PM
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I was referring to Tennessee's law and I believe Florida is moving to pass similar.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 11:06 PM
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Find an example of a man winning a suit like this. *crickets*... *crickets*
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:56 PM
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It's incredible how you see no solution other than blame men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:55 PM
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So what's wrong with her being obligated to figure it out?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:55 PM
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There is a totally difference between being pretty damn sure something is bullshit and holding them responsible legally. Wow, still sticking with 'but we can't hold women accountable'. Just tell the guy tough luck? Why do men need to ask for a paternity test? Just go get one without her... This is true if the man has access to the child. If the mother is not letting him see the child or if she lives out of state. Also a test conducted by a man from something he buys at the pharmacy isn't going t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:54 PM
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The entire education system was rebuilt by women, for women and has resulted in women being more successful in school than they were when school focused on individual learning. There are more scholarships available to women to attend college and due to this more women attend college. The majority of the social safety net is geared towards women. Women aren't sent to prison for the same amount of time as men. They are less likely to be convicted. Women lobby through efforts like the #MeToo to not…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:45 PM
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The point is if there are multiple potential fathers she knows.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 09:35 PM
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I think we can hold women a little more accountable than 'but they can't be accountable'. She knows. It isn't tricky other than her trying to trick the man she thinks would be the best provider. Women currently police paternity testing by telling men they will leave (due to insult) if he doesn't trust her and gets a paternity test, this keeps the majority of men from asking. This is why the move towards mandatory paternity testing solves all these problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 09:34 PM
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You can't sue for this currently. The woman is the only person with the entire information picture, the law should be changed obliging her to identify the correct father. There's no one else who has the entire information, so trying to tie it to intent is meaningless.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 08:43 PM
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Don't date obnoxious people.
/r/seduction24/08/24 08:35 PM
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It's theft by deception. I'l take a step further, his money should be refunded unless he decides to wave his parental rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 08:30 PM
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And even easier when child support is mandatory. Cha-ching!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 01:31 PM
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It is if child support is mandatory.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 01:31 PM
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Lol, seriously? A woman can never be blamed.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 01:30 PM
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I always love how women can find a way to make something a man's fault. Serious question, is a woman ever to blame?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 01:30 PM
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The much more obvious and direct solution is to simply award custody to the parent who is more financially stable. The idea that children belong to women is a fallacy of the courts.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 01:29 PM
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Women can decide not to be a a parent even after a baby is born. Look up safe harbor laws, they allow a woman to abandon a baby up to 72 hours after birth at a hospital no questions asked. Why are women given this right and not men? A woman currently isn't just given a right to herself, she's given a right over the man as a parent. A woman can decide to take a baby to term and currently force a man to be a father, she could also give up the baby after birth and strip away his right to being a fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 01:27 PM
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Unless you're rich you can basically get away with paying peanuts which isn't fair on the child. Child support is calculated based off of income, so if you are rich you get charged way more than the actual cost of raising a child. Some celebrities pay $75k/month in child support. That may be peanuts to you but it isn't to most of us. For the poor, the cost of raising the child (however you calculate that) could easily be more than a man makes. You suggestion is fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 01:23 PM
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Cute, but avoiding the question. Women, in most states, can abandon a baby at a hospital no questions asked (within 72 hours of birth) and not be responsible for it. They are known as safe harbor laws. So women are given the right in this country to decide not to be a parent even after a baby is born. They can decide while pregnant, they can decide after birth. Why are men not given the same rights as women?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 01:21 PM
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The default should be 50/50 with no child support. Child support should exist only if one parent is unable or unwilling to live up to their 50/50.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 01:19 PM
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You know men who don't get women pregnant are tricked into paying child support right?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 01:18 PM
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You go around making kids, don't expect other men to pay taxes to support them. I think you missed the point that this attitude has opened the window for paternity fraud. Men are forced to pay for kids who are not there's all the time. It's not uncommon.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 01:18 PM
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a woman's legal right to an abortion creates a situation in which the mother had the ability/right to determine whether or not she wants to be a parent but the father does not. I would say it is more than that. Women have the right to make a man a parent. They are not forced to become a parent. Most states have a safe harbor law allowing women to abandon a baby at a hospital no questions asked. So even without abortion a woman can walk away from being a parent. But they can legally bind a man to…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 01:16 PM
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30 is roughly the age that mean's attractiveness levels out with women's attractiveness. Your attractiveness will continue to rise another few years. This is peak time for you.
/r/seduction24/08/24 02:19 AM
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You are basically describing your role in the dating seen for women in their early 20s. It seems like all of the attractive 20 somethings are sleeping with a guy who doesn't want a commited relationship with them. They occilate between pining for that guy and getting frustrated to the point they date some other guy that they low key resent and treat terribly, they cheat on him with the guy they want when he signals they can come over. There's a third tier of orbiters she gives just enough attent…
/r/seduction23/08/24 09:03 PM
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I've been both of those guys and it's better to be the one that she shows up to after her date.
/r/seduction23/08/24 06:45 PM
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Women hook up with guys they just find overwhelmingly attractive and value the experience of hooking up just for the sake of hooking up with someone like that. For everyone else they want a relationship with they are seeking investment.
/r/seduction23/08/24 06:44 PM
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It's all about optimizing the return on what you provide.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 03:49 AM
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Once you understand their dating strategy you can decide if it matches your requirements or if it's in your best interests. To use your example, you could settle for a women in her 30s who's now looking to settle and isn't particularly into you or you could realize you'd be better off dating someone younger. So then ask yourself what would need to change about yourself to attract younger women, then make those changes to your life and find a woman who bonds to you based on her attraction and adm…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 05:18 PM
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That's only if you don't understand what they are doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 02:27 PM
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I think the answer is obvious. When women are looking to hook up they maximize their outcome by trying with the most attractive people they have access to. When looking for long term they are trying to maximize their outcome by getting as much effort from the other person as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 02:04 PM
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attitudes about how deserving they are of special treatment This isn't a red pill attitude. Red Pill speaks to putting the work into yourself, not expecting anything. The researchers found that, for men, entitlement was associated with hostile views of women. Entitled men were more likely to endorse views of women as manipulative, deceptive and untrustworthy—attitudes that past research has shown are predictors of violence toward women. The study you cite used well under 1,000 people lol. They s…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 01:39 PM
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Because the majority of people aren't chads and resort to simping.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 03:35 PM
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No one should ever do things they don't want to do. But people who severely limit their sexual skills are usually single.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 01:35 PM
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Learn oral, when you get good at it she won't last 60s.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 01:26 PM
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In your experience that is probably true.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 01:26 PM
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I'm sorry this has been your experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 10:00 PM
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Most women orgasm multiple times during sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 08:41 PM
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It can be really painful for women. Unlike men, we don't have prostrates and nothing in that part of the body can be stimulated. You need to get out more. Women that like anal sex. Love, love, love anal sex. The reason why men want to have anal sex with women is because he's probably seen it give women the most incredible orgasms they've ever had. Maybe it's not for everyone and that should of course be respected. But usually you just haven't been introduced to it right. I think you are projecti…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 05:18 PM
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Okay so you are not a ppb, why do you want to associate with them ? I don't associate with them. I knew one friend of a friend who got a mail order bride from Ukraine. Ppb refers to those i mentionned. Great spelling btw. You are really demonstrating your superiority here. Losers who cant get a woman from an equal ground, blame society for this and go somewhere their money will give them enough traction to find a girl. I think this is your opinion. I'd be curious what sort of caliber women you p…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 05:13 PM
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I assume it's due to the beauty of south east asian women. To me personally I think South American women (think Columbian, Venezuelan) as well as south east Asian women are the most attractive. It's just an exotic look I like. I find women from France or the Netherlands sort of plain to me. Now I've never travelled to these countries to meet women, but the idea that I would go where I like the way the women look but to you it could only be because I perceive that I will have money to buy them se…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 02:27 PM
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It sounds like you are fixated on buying sex. Sounds worse than a porn addiction. Seek help.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 01:51 PM
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Women don't look at roughly 80% of men. So they are attracted to the top 20%, though arguable really only attracted to the top 5%, the remaining 15% are low bar guys to them.
/r/seduction19/08/24 01:41 PM
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Why do you think girls hate dating broke men ? Because women have options. Given two men, both pretty similar and looks wise, why wouldn't she date the one who can treat her to better experiences? Or look at it a different way. So a guy is broke, what are the other qualities he brings instead of money that stand out from what any other guy can bring?
/r/seduction19/08/24 01:17 PM
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What is the leverage you are talking about? It's more about odds. Look at the obesity rates of women (and men) in the west. If you don't want an obese partner, wouldn't looking where people aren't obese be a good option?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 01:01 PM
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Gotcha, I'm not really familiar with the group other than 'Go over seas for better wives'.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 12:59 PM
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Check out the OkCupid data swiping behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 12:49 PM
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I have no idea what these men are doing. I (sort of) know one guy who married a Ukrainian mail order bride 30 years ago and when I saw him on facebook they are still married. At the time I assumed she'd leave as soon as she got a green card, but again I didn't know them too well. From what I see they are just going to a place where the women are more to their liking. The women are more slender and in shape than Western women, they take pride in their feminine beauty and they have learned how to …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 01:20 AM
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Think of what an amazing opportunity it is for these women. They are thrilled to enter into a partnership with someone who can change the trajectory of their lives and their families lives and their children's lives. The only reason why I think you would demonize this as you have is that at some level you are aware that you can't compete with what these women offer.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 01:03 AM
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I think when a woman flakes, you don't make a big deal about it and let her know that she can follow up if interested and you move on.
/r/seduction18/08/24 11:21 PM
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even if you get with a 25 year old. In 5 years is she no longer your standard, preference and boundary. Have you seen exhibit A, Leonardo DiCaprio...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 10:17 PM
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Women have spent generations telling men that looks aren't everything, that women look for much more than that, personality matters, character matters. Then we get the data and find out women are substantially more picky about looks than men. I mean look at how women use makeup to alter their appearance. Many men are fine with women without make up, but women were showing us how much they care about looks by working on their own looks. Women basically project their feelings of judging appearance…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 11:15 AM
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Your example is literally a woman discarding a man because he didn't want to pay to add cheese to his burger. Do you really think this is a good example of low quality options? By a show of upvotes, how many men would bail on a date if she didn't ask for cheese on her burger?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 10:56 AM
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You are just whacky, you obviously have a very set (like hardened in cement) view of men as the problem, which prevents you from being able to see alternate points of view. Men don’t carry the burden of pregnancy No, but we've moved 100% of the financial burden on to them alleviating women of risk of pregnancy. Men’s reputations aren’t ruined if the relationship goes bad. Because women's entitlement and poor communication skills as well as higher susceptibility to depression are usually the down…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 10:48 AM
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The issue is you all expect complete deference I didn't realize you knew me so well /s. Since modern feminism women no longer offer much value to be in a relationship with. Men carry the entire burden of risk in the relationship someone who expects a slave or personal assistant (what they call a life partner). also can’t be bothered to make sex mutually enjoyable lol, that's never been a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 01:46 AM
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I know right, why can't they just do everything they are told, it would be soooo much better.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 01:27 AM
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I think women have positioned themselves such that they cannot attract the men they would be interested in, so they choose nothing over men on their level.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 07:12 PM
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Once you realize half the time women are playing multiple guys and it more than likely wasn't you. She just wanted your attention on days she was waiting for the guy she wanted.
/r/seduction15/08/24 10:29 PM
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There's no double standard. Both genders are rewarded for doing what is difficult and both genders are looked down on for not doing what is difficult. Men have to develop themselves to be attractive, so a man who is attractive to many women has accomplished something. Being unattractive to women is looked down upon. Women are bombarded with sexual attention an opportunity, so a woman who can filter out poor options is seen to have accomplished something. Women who cannot filter out good options …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 06:50 PM
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This is fantasy. She is not nearly attractive enough to secure a man based on the contributions she provides. Everyone in a relationship needs to contribute.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 06:32 PM
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The majority of men hold inherently sexist beliefs, not through any fault of their own, but through generations of being raised in a society which less than a century ago still had a transactional view of romantic relationships. I'd rephrase this as The majority of men hold inherently sexist beliefs, not through any fault of their own, but through the obivous differences between the two genders. They can be tarnished or cheapened though sex. I'd rephrase this as Studies show women, unlike men ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 06:30 PM
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This happens with both genders. When someone is excited to meet you they tend to start regurgitating their resume. Basically it means they already like you and at some level they think they have to sell themselves for you to like them back. With experience you learn that selling isn't usually a good approach and with women their imagination is actually your strongest ally if she's already interested. So less is more. Share the spotlight, encourage them to talk. But yeah, inexperienced daters do …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 04:30 PM
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Historically speaking only 60% of men reproduce. That leaves nearly half of all men on a trajectory to either die (war, accident, disease), be a life long bachelor or to cuckolded (step parent). I suppose married with no kids is also possible. So long before social media it was nearly a coin flip if you'd be able to have kids. It's a female imperative in really all species for the females to select the best males to reproduce with. A monarch butterfly won't mate with a male who's wings are out o…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 04:27 PM
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Even the accepted definition confirms it's mostly one-sided. My question is why? Men are usually happy with the women they are dating and if anything just want to recapture that woman he first met. Women usually see men as a project and are constantly trying to mold him into what she wants (the process of henpecking). It comes from how men and women see relationships differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 04:10 PM
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who is going to watch the kid while she works? Put the child in daycare or with a relative until they are old enough to be home alone. This is a common challenge for all families with two working parents. you think dads are going to take the 9-5 parenting shift? If the mom had to pay them 50% of their salary possibly? They'd work from home in a hot minute. like... if you just sit at home.... then you... don't need daycare 🤦‍♀️ And it is your belief that forcing a man to pay so a woman can 'just …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 11:38 PM
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because if someone hits you don't you think they're going to hit you again if you go to the cops? So nothing in this post was about domestic violence, you brought up toxic relationships as though this was the norm and relevant to the conversation. Can we agree when someone is committing a crime it doesn't fall under normal circumstances? it just sounds like you aren't thinking about what happens in reality Are you really arguing that the vast majority of divorces are due to unreported domestic v…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 11:34 PM
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simply telling women to stay in toxic marriages doesn't help kids or anyone other than toxic men. I think a good start would be not pretending that men and relationships are toxic by default. If actually toxic behavior is going on why not involve the police? File charges? Get a restraining order. if these things aren't happening it honestly just sounds like cope. So coming back to reality. Two kind people. Woman decides after years of keeping things to herself that she wants to leave. Question 1…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 11:06 PM
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Maybe the mother could possibly get a job and contribute to her child's finances along with her ex husband? Just spit balling.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 11:00 PM
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You should ask the mothers abandoning their marriages what their plan is. I don't think it's very smart either. Whatever their plan, why is it the man always has to fix it for them?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 11:09 PM
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$3k is the average cost for a nanny. Sorry you abandoned your marriage, you don't get a nanny.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 11:08 PM
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Well you're not supposed to under spend for your kids in the first place. Who said anything about under spending on your kids? This is the money you need to give to someone you are not in a relationship with and they are under no requirement to spend a single penny on your child. Any argument about not spending enough misses the point that child support isn't something you are spending on your child. How much do you think parents are spending on their kids ? Well since I have four children I fee…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 06:24 PM
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I personally know men who tell me their kid cost around $200/month and when they got divorced the court ordered him to pay $4000/month. It isn't based on the lifestyle at all, it's based on the father's income an it's outrageous. In California the percentage is 1 child 25%, 2 children 40%, 3 children 50%. I've already described what I think the doctrine should be. It obviously isn't what the law says today, but what the law says today is grossly unfair to the higher income earner.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 03:00 PM
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Of course, only the best for our kid, especially if someone else is paying.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 02:56 PM
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I think the child should be 50/50 custody with no child support. If one parent cannot live up to that then child support would come in to play. I'm assuming you are asking about the 50/50 case with no child support. As a judge I'd ask the parents what their priorities were, what their concerns were and I'd look for common ground. If one parent said 'I want them to go to private school' and the other parent said 'I think public school is fine but I'd like to see us save for our kids college'. I'd…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 07:05 AM
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Try to put everything your said in practical terms and you get a very imbalanced parenting where the person with more money (usually men, obviously) have more power over the woman. People with more money always have the capacity to do more because they can spend more money. This has nothing to do with parenting. If you make a lot of money, you can spend a lot of money. That just doesn't seem fair What does fair have to do with it? When two people decide not to be together, they are deciding to s…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 06:57 AM
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The type of energy and effort a women considers 'friendship' will fall into the boyfriend level effort for the vast majority of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 06:49 AM
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The idea is to let the lower income parent control the money. Why is that necessary? The higher income earner is more qualified to choose how to spend their money, that's part of what comes from learning how to earn more money.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 06:47 AM
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Parents make decisions all the time, they try to make them together, they don't always agree. Sometimes the compromise is to allow the other parent to do what they want and to not intervene. You basically have three options. Agree on a course of action and agree on how each parent will participate in that action. Disagree on a course of action but choose to defer to the other parent letting them have their way then deciding how each parent will participate or if one will choose not to participat…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 05:23 AM
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Did you?
/r/seduction11/08/24 05:15 AM
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Why is it important to make her want to break up with you? It just seems like some insecurity around dealing with conflict. You are saying no to someone. People don't like being told no. Often times they get mad when being told no and in the moment they will act out. Just be prepared for it and choose not to partake in escalating should they choose to do so.
/r/seduction11/08/24 05:12 AM
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What is your strategy normally when you want things you can't afford them? For me, I either save for them, select an alternative, or accept that I won't have them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 05:09 AM
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Let them tie you down and use a safe word.
/r/seduction11/08/24 05:05 AM
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If it is important to one parent that they attend a fancy private school then they should pay for it if they can't get consensus with the other parent. Child support shouldn't be about letting one parent tap into the other parents money to spend on things they want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 05:05 AM
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If you are playing games with her I suppose. Just work on living a kick ass life and women will actually just be attracted to you. You won't have to lie and pretend to be something you are not. You'll actually be someone she wants.
/r/seduction11/08/24 04:50 AM
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Why would you want to put that much effort into trying to force a woman to break up with you? I once sat a woman down to tell her I didn't think we should date and she got mad and started telling me I was too high on myself, that she couldn't believe I thought she'd be so heart broken that I needed to sit her down for a conversation. That was the last time I bothered to put in that type of effort. Not contacting someone is a form of communicating. It says 'I don't want to contact you'. If she ca…
/r/seduction11/08/24 04:41 AM
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I think the default should be 50/50 custody with zero child support. If one parent cannot fulfill their 50/50 then child support should be applied to compensate the other parent. Child support shouldn't be based on income, it should be based on what it actually costs.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 04:25 AM
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I think you are way over thinking things and more than likely simply looking for a way to dismiss RP without taking it on critically. RP basically tells men that what they've been told about being kind, caring, loyal, honest, etc aren't the primary criteria that women use. Basically there's a lot of BP men who get angry asking themselves why women don't like them, having been told by their mother's and aunts that they are great catches only to find that women ignore them. RP tells men that women…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 04:19 AM
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It certainly happens, with IVF and other advances it happens more often than not. Did your cousin use IVF?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 03:51 AM
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The difference is that a lesbian won't drain relationship energy and boyfriend effort from a man because she won't be interested in it. Heterosexual women use friend zoned guys to receive boyfriend benefits without returning girlfriend effort. A lesbian wouldn't care about that energy so she would simply be friends with a guy if she enjoyed being his friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 03:49 AM
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my great grandmother had her last kid at 45 and my grandmother at 42. Having kids into your 40s is not the same as having your first child in your 40s. Having your first kid fully activates the baby making phase of life and often women can continue having kids into their 40s. I even know one who had a baby at 50, though this obviously rare, and as I said, not her first child. It's not the same for women who have never had a kid. it’s obvious men don’t like older woman and I’ll be too old to star…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 12:24 AM
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Men can only be friends with lesbians and unattractive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/24 11:46 PM
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I see this as a general admission that women don't care about men as people.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/24 11:29 PM
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Only a small percentage of people have interesting hobbies or careers. You're asking men to be interested in relatively mediocre things. If your those things were stand out I think you'd find more people interested in them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/24 07:16 PM
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I think what's happening is you are projecting your experiences on to everyone and your solution is for the world to change to cater to your needs. First of all, the vast majority of women enjoy sex. The fact that you don't doesn't make it the norm. It may be the norm among single women over 30, but not for women chosen to be in relationships. So your externalizing the problem to suggest that all men just need to learn about what you define as the important erogenous zones kind of highlights the…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/24 06:26 PM
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There is no skill that is better learned by listening to someone talking about ideas that might apply some of the time vs actually doing it. If you want better male lovers, then start having sex with more men. You'll become a better lover too.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/24 06:21 PM
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It will actually give him the opportunity to practice, which, if he finds a woman with good communication skills (unlikely I know) he will have the opportunity to improve. Do you seriously think a man will improve more by hearing about erogenous zones?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/24 04:37 AM
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RP has a better prescription for men improving their attractiveness. It's actually actionable by a real life human and doesn't require all of humanity to change before he gets results.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/24 04:22 AM
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Do you have any other ideas that don't require half of the population to follow your advice?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/24 04:16 AM
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Here's an interesting thought: maybe women would want more sex if the sex they were likely to get was at least decent. So your saying the solution is to simply tell them that you have skills that are at least decent and women will be more likely to sleep with you? Yeah that sounds like a solid plan. Good job solving the world's problems. What's your next solution? Telling hungry people you've noticed they're hungry because they aren't eating and if they started eating they wouldn't be hungry any…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/24 03:57 AM
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I've always felt when women put 'Not looking for hookups' they are basically advertising that they keep finding guys to hook up with and are externalizing the cause on to the men she hasn't meant. So 'Not looking for hookups' essentially means, 'I keep doing hookups'.
/r/seduction09/08/24 02:13 PM
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I knew it had to be a man's fault. Shame on me for entertaining the thought that maybe a woman some where was at fault for something /s
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 05:24 AM
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even though in the US, men are actually more often overweight compared to women Inaccurate. Obesity rates in women are higher in women in the US. All females, 41% All Males, 37.9% Source Heath e-stats, September 2018. So many posts in this sub are just men complaining that women are too picky and “unfair” in choosing the men we get involved with I haven't seen this, the closest I've seen to this is women complaining about men and the response being that they make bad choices are have deal breake…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 10:11 PM
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But that’s not something I see as treating someone as a human being. I guess that's the rub. Ingrained in your wanting to be treated like a human is you also being in control of what it means to be a human, and the context of that definition allows you to treat men differently then you want to be treated by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 09:28 PM
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Women use a lot of coded phrases that are intended to sound like very basic, simple requests or standards but actually are sort of absurdly entitled. "Treat like human beings" As OP pointed out, human beings can be treated in many ways, historically we've treated humans in a variety of ways, many awful. They clearly mean, as OP pointed out, to be treated as revered and respected members of society. In return, most women essentially pretend men don't exist. They don't make eye contact, they don't…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 07:08 AM
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And so do you, in turn treat all men as a 'human being'? Do you make eye contact with all men and acknowledge them? Do you take interest in their hobbies. Do you hear and listen to men in general? Do you see men for all their qualities even the ones that don't benefit you? Or are these behaviors limited to men who meet your standards?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 07:01 AM
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I think the term Submissive is code for 'I want her to treat me like she would treat Chad'.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 06:35 AM
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Well for one, men don't peak at 50. Men peak physically in their 20s (lets just say 25 as a nice number) similar to women. The main difference is men are judged on their success, which typically happens after 25, honestly into their 30s. So men's desirability peaks later, again just to pick a number let's say late 30s, maybe 38. A balance between maintaining some physical attractiveness if they've worked on it, but also with time to establish life success. Basically a guy in his mid 30s who's ta…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 04:17 PM
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I think some of the hard truths in RP simplify (fairly accurately) a lot of women's behavior into a less flattering picture of women. Women like to bask in this image of their comparative complexity and sophistication compared to men, so when it's broken down into things like attentions seeking and natural plate spinning I think they just don't like their behavior being described in that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 01:37 PM
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I see it more as not being obligated to give them a relationship. Just as women have the right to date who they please, men aren't obligated to give women relationships if they don't see a woman as commitment worthy. But go ahead and demonize it as some of weird payback vendetta instead of just confidently expressing your own standards, which btw, women do all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 07:52 PM
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I think we got our answer as to why men aren't nice and are unhelpful when dealing with you specifically.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 03:47 PM
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18 years, four kids. I'm the sole breadwinner and do the laundry and drop off my kids to school. I'm very fortunate my better half is multi-orgasmic and insatiable.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 03:41 PM
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...men are unkind and unhelpful enough to keep them from wanting men. I'm just trying to imagine how horribly you treat men for them to be unkind and unhelpful to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 03:30 PM
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I think women being happy single comes from social media feeding their near bottomless need for attention and all the social programs we've put in place to prop up women, from education, to job hirings, etc. If men had similar catering to their needs they'd likely be happy too.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 10:44 PM
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What are your thoughts on this situation? Shouldn't she be reimbursed? I think her asking him for money back is petty and childish. But if she wants to, why wouldn't you also count the first two dates?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 01:16 PM
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I've been here for a while and most of the posts goes like "Isn't it immature and weird for a woman to be turned off by a man voicing his sexual desires first instead of physically trying them?" (no one is obliged to try anyone if they do not want to or don't want it or you) I'm confused by this, aren't you agreeing with the male voice in this case? The male voice thinking it's weird that his voicing his desires is a turn off? Isn't voicing his desires first better than just trying something wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 04:27 AM
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What about when a woman tries to manipulate the words like you are doing? I'd say that's pretty dishonest and manipulative.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 11:23 PM
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Sex is only dirty if you are doing it right.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 10:34 PM
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Disinterest in a sexual act doesn’t mean someone loves you less. Nah, you just don't want the simps to catch on. When a woman is way into you she loves all aspects of sex. No one has to do anything they don't want to do, but that cuts both ways, a woman isn't required to give reasonable effort, but a guy isn't required to stay due to substandard effort. It means they find the sex act to be unpleasant or degrading. Again, they might feel that way with someone else. Sex isn't degrading. It's natur…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 10:18 PM
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Honestly it's pretty shocking when you realize how little effort women put into things in general. You hear their narrative of how they are working hard but when you spend time with them you realize the put very little effort into anything they do. They apparently think its a lot of effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 05:13 PM
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If you said it that way yes. I'm saying you break up when you realize they aren't in love with you the way you want to be. Why waste time with a woman (or a man) who sees you as a placeholder?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 05:11 PM
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How would you know? You would know because she's having star fish sex with you. If you are getting star fish sex you move on. Maybe she did try anal after one ex whom she really loved. And found that she hated it. And swore never to try it again. What's wrong with wanting her to try it with you. Experiences with different people can be quite different. Anal sex in particular is a great example. Because if done right, I mean I've never met a woman that didn't love anal sex. But done wrong it can …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 01:30 PM
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Dating apps/websites started taking shape in the late 90s. It was decades before facebook. Things really have gotten bad due to social media and more recently things like OF. Meeting people online was fine in the late 90s, 2000s, and probably didn't get bad until the mid teens is when it seemed like it went down hill.
/r/seduction29/07/24 08:02 PM
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So a billionaire, philanthropist, former NBA player who moon lights as a male model and who spent time in prison for a violent crime is now the bare minimum? But if a woman concentrates enough I'm sure she can manifest him.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 04:42 PM
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My mom had me at 30, her first and only, and got pregnant literally as soon as they started trying Having a baby at 30 is no problem, being single and starting the courting process for a long term relationship at 30 is the problem. So I could have my kid at 25 or 30, it doesn’t matter much to me. Exactly that's a great window to be having children. But 30 is not even old or risky As I tried to lay out for you, it's not being 30, it's the timeline for building a long term committed relationship. …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 04:35 PM
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After 35 a woman's pregnancy is described as 'geriatric'. Are you still going to pretend that looking to start a family with a 30 year old woman is a better idea than say a 20-25 year old woman? IVF has extended the window (though its expensive and again I'd ask why pay $10s of thousands for a chance at one baby when a 10 year younger version of your wife could have the kids no problem), but historically by 40 a woman was done having kids. Look at it this way, if you want to have say two kids if…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 03:44 PM
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Well between you and me I'd still recommend men look to women in their 20s for reproduction, not fetuses, which would be illegal, and disgusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 03:31 PM
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I never said it was, but a woman's strongest window for finding the best mate she can occurs during her fertility window. Post 30 90% of a women's eggs are gone and her appeal as a partner to start a family with is dwindling. This isn't the end of her life of course, and not even the end of her dating options by any stretch, but women are aware of losing their appeal as a family partner if that is indeed a priority for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 04:14 AM
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It isn't just single moms that do this. Women approaching their 30s do this all the time. Instead of reflecting on why they can't find a long term partner, they just think they need to demand commitment up front.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 11:38 PM
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You are probably single. I do it to my wife all the time, at the right time.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 11:35 PM
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My basic advice is to appreciate that women experience ovulatory shift and want different things at different times during the month. There's a period when they will be very horny and walking up to them and pulling down their pants will be welcomed, but in my experience that's only a few days during the month. During their periods they are usually pretty irritable and your being on top of things around the house so they don't have to will be appreciated. Towards the end of their period they usua…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 10:21 PM
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Again, female bias, if you want something, the courts will likely mandate it for you, you don't have to fight for it. If you had to fight for it you'd understand when it's time not to fight and concede that the deck is stacked against you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 10:04 PM
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Lighting money on fire and burning it by giving it to a lawyer in a case that can't be won isn't 'Spending it on your own children'. Women have a huge blind spot on this. Here in California the husband would often need to pay for both his lawyer and his wife's lawyer, so women have this attitude like 'No amount is too high, no stone should be unturned' because they aren't paying for it. The courts have a huge bias towards awarding custody to women, even when the women are cheaters, liars and oth…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 09:22 PM
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Bullshit you would. No body capable of earning an excess $20k would spend it when their lawyer told them 'It's unlikely we'd win'.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 07:51 PM
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In the spectrum of all things that can happen, I'm pretty sure probably at some point, all of possibilities have happened. So sure, men can be terrible too. In most cases the man was likely the primary bread winner, so saying 'He doesn't want the children', when he would need to maintain a successful job and do all the homelife severely lets the woman, who at that point would neither work nor watch the kids, have any responsibility at all. Women often get the leftover work not because they want …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 05:28 PM
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The data linked doesn't account for survivorship bias and draws the natural conclusions that people who don't understand survivorship bias are known to make.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 03:35 PM
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That woman in the video has likely never had a boyfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 03:34 PM
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We are talking about custody, not visitation.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 02:48 PM
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The claim was that it's due to men dodging accountability. In otherwords, it's not the woman's fault. The fact that I know anyone that counters this absolutist statement makes it clear that its false.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 02:47 PM
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You should familiarize yourself with survivorship bias. Every man I know who went through a divorce was told it was a waste of time to try to get custody of the kids, yet the article claims 94% of men who fight win. How is this possible? The answer is survivorship bias. The only men who fight are the ones where there are such glaring problems with the mother that they are guarenteed to win. This doesn't mean that men don't want their kids because they don't try. It means their lawyer usually say…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 02:39 PM
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It's more likely the mother drove the father away and refuses him access to his child unless he acts the way she tells him too.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 02:27 PM
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If a woman is interested, it will be very easy talking to her and you won't need a ton of game.
/r/seduction28/07/24 11:35 AM
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These programs are meant to solve a systemic problem at its roots. I would argue these programs are designed to bypass solving the problem and are simply looking to manufacture results that the designer perceives as better. They try to advantage some groups by discriminating against others. They throw merit and hard work out the window.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 11:29 AM
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I feel it would be great if I could steer the convo to a more platonic tone and initiate friendship. Most guys do this as a low key way to try to weasel their way in. Don't waste yours and their time trying to become friends with a woman you are sexually attracted to. All conventionally attractive women have men actively interested in them. So worry less about that and more how she's interacting with you. If she's interested she will show it. She probably won't be interested.
/r/seduction28/07/24 11:04 AM
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I think your point is that feminism exists because men support it. Without male support feminism would look like it looks in Afghanistan.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 12:19 AM
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I think your point is that feminism exists because men support it. Without male support feminism would look like it looks in Afghanistan.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 12:17 AM
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I think your point is that feminism exists because men support it. Without male support feminism would look like it looks in Afghanistan.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 12:17 AM
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The correct time to ask for a DNA test is after you've already given the kids a DNA test and you already know the outcome. DNA tests are a cheek swab, they don't require you getting consent. Just get the kid tested, if there's an issue, then you suggest it and start to bring the issue to the forefront.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 08:35 PM
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It's probably going to become more and more the norm.
/r/seduction27/07/24 02:00 PM
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The point is that was her choice. The skills still made her desirable. She just found a man that wasn't bringing to the table as much as she was. Happens all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 01:37 PM
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I've know women who become single in their 60s and get remarried. I think the women who have figured it out retain value in the sense that they know how to be in a relationship. Sadly, feminism has basically told women that anything they do for a man is sort of demeaning or a failure. So the idea of cooking and cleaning, honestly fairly trivial things get put down as some sort of shameful effort. The reality is, everyone is looking for someone to make their lives better, a good deal if you will.…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 02:13 AM
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She just became more bitter, more spiteful and less loving towards everyone as time went on. They also split when I was young, she became more spiteful, more bitter and more cold towards everyone. It sounds like your mom was a problem before the divorce and after (and very likely before the affairs). Some people just can't be happy. Based on what you wrote the constant of unhappiness seems to be your mom more so than any divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 04:29 PM
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I think women with fewer sexual partners are desirable. All the data that has been gathered and reviewed shows that as the partners increase that woman's future relationship success decreases. Again you are looking at it through the lens of men vs women. I'm saying women have a window. Your conclusion doesn't account for the window where it may be true a woman is attractive and desirable. She doesn't remain that way through her whole life. Men also have a different attraction window, but it's au…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 10:20 PM
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Your viewpoint misses the fact that women are only sexually desirable for a relatively short window in their life. About a decade. After that, other attributes such as their personality, usefulness, etc become much more important. By 30 men and women are roughly equal. The hyper desirable stage for women is only when they are in their early 20s, it isn't something they've earned through hard work, it's just the reality of the biology. So your assertion that women are beautiful and desirable, onl…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 10:10 PM
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This "double standard" is one of the most prominent beliefs within the manosphere. It's only a double standard because you don't accept the differing sexual experiences of men and women. A young/fertile woman has unlimited sexual opportunity. This is not necessarily a good thing. Most of those opportunities will be with men they don't find remotely desirable. The skill women need to learn is how to select good candidates. This is them choosing to limit their acceptance of this sexual opportunity…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 08:52 PM
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many RP men are absolutely angry at being friend-zoned and extremely bitter at women for doing so. Being friendzoned isn't something I'd get angry about, I'd just lose interest and move on. Why do you think it's necessary to be angry or bitter over it. She's not interested, I'm not interested. I think you are confusing when someone gives advice and it's stressed to avoid the friendzone that this translates into bitterness. It's only stressed because young men sometimes think that it's a good use…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 03:29 PM
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Well obviously they do it for themselves. That's why they wear revealing outfits and full makeup while sitting around the house when no one will see them. 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 01:35 PM
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Women have the right to choose and often choose poorly. If men had the right to choose they would be judged on their choices too.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 02:15 AM
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The sexual strategy for men is spreading our seed. We could theoretically impregnate multiple women a day if we had the opportunity so men have evolved the desire and attraction to pursue sexual opportunities. Women pay a much steeper price biologically for getting pregnant. Their body is locked down for 9 months and the baby occupies their time for the first few years, so the consequences of sex for the vast majority of human history landed on women much, much more. So it's no surprise that wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 04:35 AM
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Well consent is an import topic in relationships and in my opinion all sex should be consensual, so in that sense no one is owed anything. Where I see the argument around entitlement and sex is in marriages as in you the husband are not entitled to sex with your wife whenever you want, which I agree with. My counterpoint is simply that monogamy is two things. An agreement to not sleep with other people and an agreement to sleep with each other. If you aren't sleeping with each other, that's call…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 06:07 PM
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Probably just a bot harvesting numbers to sell online.
/r/seduction18/07/24 10:21 PM
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You are probably confusing black pilled men who learned about red pill and then turned black pill with men who have done the work. Most people avoid things that are hard, improving yourself is hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 05:49 PM
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I think you are seeing what you want to see. Men can either try to entice/attract women for what they can do for them (beta) or they can entice/attract them for who they are and how they live, which is most definitely partially a mindset. I struggled with dating in my 20s but by my 30s I was totally rolling for the most part I had learned what women wanted from me and had reached a point in my career I was pretty successful. I didn't discover RP until my late 40s and it aligned with about 20-30%…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 05:39 PM
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He doesn't use his vast resources to get sex, that's the difference. A beta has to be a provider to get laid. Chris Brown gets laid and can be obnoxious about not paying for things and the women would still flock to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 05:24 PM
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To answer your question, I was raised to be blue pilled (as I think most men are). I'm definitely not a chad but at times I've gotten myself in shape enough to experience chad-lite results. RP mostly has given me better clarity on not simping for women and focusing on making my life better. Contrary to popular opinion I'm still nice to women, I have loving relationships. I'm just much more aware of the dynamics that women use to manipulate and I allow women to manipulate me in directions I'm hap…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 04:36 PM
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Sadly RP does not use the terms Alpha and Beta the way scientists due. Scientist used to describe an Alpha as like a leader (such as a leader of a wolfpack). Long before RP people used to refer to someone as 'Type A', usually an aggressive, salesman type. Inconveniently RP re-used the term Alpha to refer to men with attractive characteristics and Beta for deferrential provider characteristsics. It actually has nothing to do with wolfpacks or Type a salesmen or anything like that. Many alphas are…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 04:32 PM
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Honestly I think this is a female misperception. Men first verify sexual access and then get serious about evaluating a woman as relationship material. This is the opposite way around compared with women. Women will first decide if a guy is worthy of a relationship (either short or long term), they will ignore men who don't fit in either category, but after a woman decides a guy is worth a short or long term relationship she will have sex. This means when two people have sex, generally speaking,…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 02:24 AM
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I think the key element you are missing is that these women assume or think they can change these guys. They basically think it would take less work to make an attractive guy be committed than to take a committed unattractive guy and somehow make him attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 01:40 AM
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The core tenant of RP is to start to work on self improvement in all areas, looks maxing, social skills, job performance, self grooming, overall competence, etc. It sounds like you are confusing black pill for red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 08:00 PM
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Can you give an example of a woman being judged more harshly? I mean women face lessor prison sentences and lower conviction rates for the same crimes. Generally speaking women are treated like children by the courts in terms of responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 10:42 PM
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Hard-to-get his a game you play that amuses you. It isn't a game men enjoy or want to play. You could just as easily ask 'How do I not tell my waiter what I want for dinner, but still get him to bring me what I want for dinner?' However you accomplish that you'll just annoy your waiter. What would be wrong with being fun, flirtatious and agreeable?
/r/seduction16/07/24 07:10 PM
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It sounds like he likes you when he's around to like you.
/r/seduction16/07/24 05:54 PM
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hooking up because he's attractive is prioritizing hooking up.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 05:10 PM
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I had thought of a dating app where you had to be voted in by other members based on your photos. Or you could buy your way in... That way all the women would be attractive and all the guys would be attractive or they'd have money.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 03:37 PM
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Yes, but usually someone like that would rather leave and find someone new than to hear that they could improve.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 05:14 PM
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I think it would reflect in their relationship skills and calling them out on their selfishness and unwillingness to bring much to the table. It wouldn't be the count directly as it's unlikely you'd know their count. It would be their behavior instilled from prioritizing hooking up.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 04:34 PM
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Why should women have to be “accountable?” Why should women not be accountable? Shouldn't everyone be held accountable? As an example, if some one steals from you and they lie about it but you start watching more closely and you catch them, if it's a woman, are you saying it's inappropriate to hold her accountable?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 03:47 PM
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So women don't walk around with their number on their forehead. So objectively attractive women will basically get endless opportunities. Where it hurts them is in their lack of relationship skills and that their easiest out is just to find someone new who will give them a clean slate as a means of avoiding accountability.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 01:02 PM
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Speaking for myself I used to be conflict avoidant, so when I was losing interest in a woman it was easier to put less effort in and she would just break up. To be clear when you're young this works great. Young women dump you quick. As you age though, women try to hang on to relationships more and you are just pathetically hoping she breaks up. After I learned about RP I just have accepted it's not my job to please everyone, so I've accepted conflict, handled with integrity, is just a better wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 12:54 PM
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It's the early stages of 'Where are all the good guys?'
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 01:34 AM
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These women are projecting their failed relationship skills on these men. They think they are showing up for the relationship but they are showing up with nothing, so the guy leaves. He was giving it a try and wasn't interested. She labels him a player who only wanted sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 09:37 PM
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I think the big flaw in this comparison is that your answer is 'is it men' or 'is it women', but you're failing to distinguish Chad and Tyrone vs an average frustrated Chump. They aren't the same guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 07:11 PM
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I went through a phase of trying to date only bisexual women. The main goal being to have a steady stream of threesomes. All I can say is mo-women mo-problems. The bi/lesbian community is complicated with many land mines to step on and ways of insulting a gender fluid person. You really need to immerse yourself in a way of thinking that is very foreign to most men and quite frankly a bit uncomfortable. There's more than a little misandry in the lesbian community. After securing the main objectiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 05:40 PM
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I think a lot of women get addicted to the courting phase. This is where the man is trying to get their attention. The wining and dining phase. Traditionally if a woman becomes interested it becomes her turn to then start to show him what she can do for his life. So a lot of women just skip that step, they go out, get wined and dined, then do nothing and move on to the next dog and pony show. They are addicted to the early phase attention. This prevents them from developing relationship skills a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 05:10 PM
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Jesus, you really do like to argue. I've offered why I think tests should be mandatory and you literally keep arguing that it isn't necessary. You literally are arguing that your way is the way to handle it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 11:14 PM
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You seem to struggle with your solution being the only solution. Most people aren't as interested and drama and conflict as you. How about this. I'm glad you and your partner were able to come to a satisfactory solution to his wanting assurance of paternity. I don't know why you are acting like that's the only viable solution. Or even really like a top 3 solution for most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 11:02 PM
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I'm for a solution that doesn't stigmatize or accuse anyone and also doesn't require anyone to stand up and proclaim they want it with the risk their partner will be offended.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 10:57 PM
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You've got it flipped on its head. Paternity fraud is a problem exactly because men trust the women they are with. In 10-30% of the cases that trust is misplaced.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 10:55 PM
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Or better yet, just go for 50/50 custody and eliminate child support altogether.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 10:36 PM
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He can get a test and not be responsible for supporting that child. And you're saying women will not be bothered by this? If so, fantastic. The biggest hurdle at present is the matriachy's view that asking for a DNA test is equivalent to accusing your partner of cheating. So men are discouraged.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 10:35 PM
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Yeah just make it mandatory and so many problems will just go away.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 10:33 PM
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Women are really good liars. Why make it an accusation.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 10:32 PM
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Lol, that's what RP has been saying for years, it's women's groups who oppose it and train women to take it as an insult.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 10:20 PM
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But not in the case of kids. If you've assumed a parental role, the courts won't let something like a DNA test come between your wallet and that kid.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 10:19 PM
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Exactly why it needs to be mandatory, so no ill will is perceived.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 10:18 PM
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Who made you sign the birth certificate? In most states a husband is the presumed father. Married men, outside of France, aren't forced to sign it either and can request a paternity test. Georgia just passed a law regarding paternity testing and women are freaking out. Outside of that law most women threaten divorce if a husband demands a paternity test.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 10:17 PM
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But which one is it empirically? I believe that as a human bein (regardless of gender) you get better return in free time vs cleanliness if you do it my way. The point is no one is right. Within reason of course, like I said there are minimums, living in squalor and in a room that looks like a hoarder is objectively not on par with a tidy room. Agreeing to let your partner have their way by setting the standard is the compromise. I'm not signing up for their work. I'm signing up to not argue abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 04:19 PM
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I think the other part of the equation on housework is who cares more. In other words, living with someone you have a reasonable expectation of you each not leaving messes, cleaning up after oneself, being able to tidy up. But beyond that, often one partner will have a much higher standard. Like expecting vacuuming every day vs say once a week. In that case, the person who cares about this level of clean is the one who's going to do it. The compromise is, you want to vacuum daily, I'm fine with …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 03:59 PM
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The amount of money made doesn't necessarily correlate to how hard someone works. No, but it does correlate to how they contribute financially.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 03:55 PM
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Cue the women claiming redpill is delusional, woman are basically red pilled by default.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 03:45 PM
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I doubt you're even aware of it and probably dismiss your ovulatory shift as not being real either.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 04:20 AM
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Yeah silly me, believing a woman. What man in 2024 would do such a thing. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 01:12 AM
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I didn't discover RP until maybe 2-3 years ago. The reason I gravitated towards it was that probably 25%-40% of it matched my experience exactly. My life experience matched with it so perfectly. I understand that men understanding female dating strategy isn't in their best interest, but dismissing it as delusion isn't going to work on someone who saw it years before even hearing the term.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 11:59 PM
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I've seen it happen over and over again. It's okay, we can be honest here. No need to pretend for the blue pilled guys, they will still beta for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 11:05 PM
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I think you need to broaden your appeal by being less boring. Don't get me wrong I'm not telling you to do things you don't like, I'm telling you to pick something that you can get behind that will give you a social outlet. Otherwise your dating pool will just be too small. Consider taking a dance class.
/r/seduction12/07/24 08:41 PM
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Based on observing her behavior. A woman telling a guy things like 'I'm more into a guy's heart and personality', 'I don't care about the guy who is the life of the party, I care about the guy who's there for me when I need him'. etc, is grooming a beta male. And you know this when you find out that one weekend a month she goes to a party and gets banged by the hot popular guy who doesn't care about her. It's the basis of a duel mating strategy that women participate in.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 08:20 PM
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But they give them a chance at a lessor status role. That of the beta provider. Nothing is more heart breaking for a guy who's been bending over backwards for a woman he thinks is amazing only to find out that she tells you she's not interested in dating meanwhile she gets run through by obnoxious losers who bad mouth and laugh at her behind her back.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 07:53 PM
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Well of course, Chad treatment is basically the treatment most women receive. It's the only treatment that is worth accepting. The alternative is being treated as trash.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 07:51 PM
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The point is, looks matter to the woman who is telling you looks don't matter to her. She's virtue signaling.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 07:50 PM
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There's a portion of feminism which argues for rights for all people and equality of all kinds. There's also a portion of feminism that seemingly hates men and is openly misandrist. It's hard to debate a two headed beast like this because when you point out laws that are unfair to men they trot out the 'everyone is equal' figure heads and then quietly let the anti male lobby do their work under the guise of it being equal. Just look at paternity laws, child support and family law in general to s…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 04:58 PM
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Attractiveness matters to men so there’s no reason for them to be upset when attractiveness matters to women. I think what is shocking is that attractiveness seems to matter more to women and women rate the majority of men unattractive. Men have always been driven by looks, but men find 60% of women at least somewhat attractive. That means a woman who's a 4 has guys saying she's alright. Women see a guy who's and 8 and consider him mid. So it's not that women find looks important it's that they …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 04:44 PM
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Literally women will tell you that looks don't matter to them. Women virtue signal all the time that what attracts them isn't looks. It's their main form of grooming beta males. If you are good looking you maybe don't experience this, but if you are not good looking women wanting you to do things for them will tell you all the time that your personality makes you cute or that your humor makes you cute and they like guys like that. I think you totally out of touch if you think men are making this…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 04:40 PM
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How new is this, I thought Borat mentioned Kazakhstani scientist who made similar discovery.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 01:11 AM
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Any woman who is smokin' hot is going to have a long list of guys who are interested. Her interest will wax and wane depending on how available the guys she's most interested are. If you are thinking something casual then keep it light and don't read too much into it. Head over and what happens happens.
/r/seduction11/07/24 02:08 PM
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Blue pill thinking asks questions like 'He must have treated her horribly' or 'I wonder what he was doing to drive her to this'. When you go red pill you hold everyone accountable for their actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 01:57 PM
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Just get back with your baby's dad, put your child first. Stop harassing us.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 01:56 PM
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Because guys look out for each other. You want to let the younger guys know that it's a bad deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 01:35 PM
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If your spouse stops working to take care of your children their career is stalled,is that fair? If your husband makes 5x what you make, quitting work IS the reward. Your lifestyle is substantially upgrading. You're implying the woman is giving up all this money when in fact she's receiving access to a much richer lifestyle. What would be wrong with her returning to a trajectory more consistent with what she had built for herself. Why is she entitled to a lifestyle she didn't earn and has chosen…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 09:25 PM
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As always you guys just can’t understand that the person who files the legal paperwork isn’t the one who ended the marriage. Right, it's the man's fault, we know 🙄. Unless you know the reasons why the woman is filing, your stats are meaningless. You cited a valid example. But usually it's the woman cheating and blaming the husband because she't not communicated anything and is now upset that mind reading has failed.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 08:34 PM
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You are missing the point. The root cause of the unhappiness is the women. They can't leave it because they bring it with themselves wherever they go, leaving a trail of broken lives behind them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 08:31 PM
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I have a friend who put his wife's name on the title of his home as a sign of his commitment. She was a stay at home mom and she spent her days having affairs (mostly online) but also a few times a year in person. She left, took the home that he had bought before meeting her. You're telling me a woman who enters a man's life with nothing, from day one starts looking for her next upgrade has been participating in the relationship in good faith? Then the courts decide to give her his home? It's ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 03:27 PM
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And then lose half their stuff to a partner who never tried. Protecting women in divorce (at the expense of men) has made women put zero effort into relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 02:58 PM
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And how many women do you know who are happy?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 02:43 PM
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Happy mothers raise well adjusted children. How many happy women do you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 02:38 PM
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Most men I know have to deal with pretty awful, narcissistic, entitled wives. It's just how women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 02:37 PM
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And it is true, many women are miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 02:34 PM
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You mean to get custody? Unless she has a drug habit, probably not.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 02:34 PM
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It depends on how old the woman is, a woman who is still fertile has a decent shot of finding a man, a woman past 40 is going to struggle finding a serious relationship. And I'll be honest, it's never occurred to me that it would be tough finding another woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 02:32 PM
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They are unfair to the higher income earner who bears the entire financial risk of the relationship. Paternity laws are unfair as they don't criminalize paternity fraud. Unless a state supports 50/50 custody with zero child support they are unfair.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 02:30 PM
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I've told this story multiple times. A friend of mine kept dealing with his ex's bullshit. She'd tell him to drive an hour to pick up his son and then she wouldn't be home. She'd ignore count ordered visitation. It got to the point the courts told him they would put her in jail for 30 days if he could watch his son. The only problem was he couldn't take him out of school, he needed to bring his son to school and pick him up. The hour drive made that impossible. The only other option was the mate…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 06:05 AM
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The context of our conversation was people staying in not ideal relationships. Obviously it would be better if both parents have a mutually supportive and loving relationship. Though in my experience those type of relationships result from effort and don't just magically happen. I'm talking about when you realize your spouse is trash and you are focusing on giving your kids the best upbringing you can and you know having the wife leave and block you from them is not in their best interest. AT th…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 05:51 AM
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Why is the dad not there just because they got divorced? Because women go out of there way to drive away men if they aren't getting anything from them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 05:47 AM
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And if divorce laws and the family court were fair to men, then none of these stats would matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 05:31 AM
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Children of single moms have the worst outcomes of all children with the exception of foster care. Where is the data supporting the idea that women suddenly become competent parents when they leave the father of the children?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 05:29 AM
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I'd ask different questions. Are his children happy and in a loving environment. Does he think he's doing is fair share. Women conveniently ignore most of what men contribute and then ask to split all of their work. So a woman saying a guy doesn't do enough is great for online, but falls apart in the real world. I think women are just so used to life on easy mode, they struggle to even imagine what real work is.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 05:28 AM
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Emo bands is the extent of your data research?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 03:06 AM
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I agree. Men put their family ahead of their happiness, women put their happiness ahead of the family. I don't think that's the flex you seem to think it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 01:44 AM
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Look at who initiates divorce. 76% of the time it's the woman. That figure climbs to 90% if the woman is college educated. Men generally speaking will sacrifice their happiness for their family. Women are the ones who sacrifice their family for their happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 01:26 AM
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I have a great boyfriend of a few years but get paranoid at the thought of him potentially wanting someone younger as we age. Based on relationship data women don't have a lot to fear in terms of men leaving. Men see marriage as a lifelong commitment. In most cases women who become single did so because they chose to get divorced.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 11:21 PM
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It's delusional to think 1+1 should equal 7. All the women have to do is up their game. They are single because they offer a bad value proposition. Re-read my posts. You've missed the plot entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 07:41 PM
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It’s delusional to think that wanting a serious relationship is “games” Well how else would you describe it? Single women in their 40s usually don't know why they are single. They don't bring anything to the relationship and wonder why men don't commit to them. So their game is to pretend they are easy going and are straight forward, when instead they are pulling their hair out wondering why they aren't enough. I'd rather spend time in the fresh produce aisle.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 07:30 PM
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Of course a woman is going to enjoy a free vacation. Exactly, and the short term nature/low commitment component of it puts the tone of the adventure as 'Let's just have fun and make this a memorable trip." You bypass a lot of questions like 'What are we?" and "Where is this going?". The vibe is more 'Well I've never done this before, but I can't imagine a better time to try it." One woman told me 'You've changed what I look for in a man'. The point is, do you think I care if 7 out of 10 younger…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 06:33 PM
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Usually it turns into several trips.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 05:26 PM
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lol, that's hilarious. Imagine having so little going on you can sit around and talk to people you don't want to date and seeing that as a flex. I love it. Needless to say, the women I took on trips thought differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 05:19 PM
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The difference between 20 and 25-27 is night and day. A 20 year old is probably living off her parents still and so the idea of money being important is still years away. Her dad will just buy her stuff. Most 20 year olds would be more interested in looks and status. But when I was in my early 40s, asking out a 26-27 year old was no big deal. Especially if you wanted a date for a vacation or a nice show or event. Most women that age will make exceptions on age for an exciting opportunity. Honest…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 03:17 PM
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I haven't for decades, I'm just warning guys about women like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 06:41 PM
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It's very hygiene dependent. But it's clean I'm happy to polish the button.
/r/seduction08/07/24 06:25 PM
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Okay, but I'm not cleaning up the urinals in the ladies room if that's the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 06:21 PM
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Here's a good skit this group did on friendzone, it captures the toxicity of women friends well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVvVSAn_g2E
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 06:12 PM
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Entitled to what? If you are gonna play these stupid games You mean being kind? And that is that you need to keep up the base level you set or accept that you won't stay friends. No thanks. I like friends that are actual friends. Not someone that expects I do all the work. The bar lowering is a sign that the other doesn't care anymore. It's called matching her energy. Welcome to a view of what you are like as a friend. And you are the only one that acts like a victim. I am just stating the obvio…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 06:11 PM
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“But I did all these favors and paid for things, she owes me romantic and sexual reciprocity” Always with the victim card. Guy, "Oh she's not interested, too bad, I guess I'll move on. I wonder if she was serious about being friends and will call me like an actual friend if I'm not buying her stuff" Woman, "What a liar and and asshole, pretending to be my friend. All men are shit" Sorry ladies, you aren't entitled to a friendship where the guy treats you with boyfriend level effort. You just nee…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 06:08 PM
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It means girls are mostly a hobby for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 06:05 PM
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There was a really good skit video that captured the toxic dynamic of being friendzoned. I felt this was exactly what it's like being friendzoned. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVvVSAn_g2E
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 05:22 PM
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You sound pretty entitled and delusional on this one. Friendzone was something I dealt with maybe 30 years ago when I was a kid. You want to play Schrödinger's Feminist and be a victim when a guy accepts you want to be friends and start treating you like a friend and you get butt hurt that he isn't allowed to do that. Again, for those in the back. You are not entitled to a man's boyfriend energy, he is entitled to share that with whomever he wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 05:21 PM
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If you are romantically interested in someone don't try to cover it up with a friendship and put in insanes amount of effort to try to win her over. And the corollary is the woman shouldn't dangle intimacy and the idea that she's on the fence regarding a relationship. She agreed to be your friend and you set the standard of this friendship with the effort you aren't willing to put into a friendship. If only it was so clear. The power comes in the ambiguity. Usually they tell you that they aren't…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 03:41 PM
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I'll throw you a crazy one: I'm bisexual. It's not that crazy, it was actually obvious with your experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 03:34 PM
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Glad to hear it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 03:33 PM
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Someone makes you do those things? They dangle the idea that a relationship might be waiting if you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 03:30 PM
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I think it's only feasible if the woman is unattractive honestly. Otherwise it just causes problems in your relationships. If I run into a guy friend from high school it's like no time has passed at all. Our excitement and energy is renewed and it could have been 30 years since we last spoke. If you run into a female friend you've not spoken with in awhile, you can tell it's different, female friends just require more effort to keep the friendship alive. So when you have an intimate partner it j…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 12:50 PM
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Lol, just look at your comment history. You literally are arguing with everyone about this. Maybe your experience isn't universal. Your experience sounds more like what a gay man would experience honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 12:46 PM
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Btw, I think the same is true in reverse for situationships. Basically if the female friendzone is having a guy give boyfriend effort with no romantic effort returned by the women, the male friendzone, fwb is a woman giving sex and getting no relationship effort back from the guy. Situationships are common as many women feel that if they give a guy sex, that he will more than likely want a relationship. Most guys want to date them, so they assume the really hot guys will too. There's lots of wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 12:42 PM
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Here's a good article for you to read relating to the misleading interpretation of declining divorce rates. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3972308/
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 12:34 PM
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Then she's a bitch, and you probably were never one of her actual friends unfortunately. That's terrible behavior and manipulation on her part. Exactly, in time you learn that women who just ignore you are being honest and transparent. They are being normal, they just aren't interested. The ones who tease being your friend are the ones looking to exploit your efforts. Usually they are lower tier women who keep shooting their shot with guys out of their league, so they need guy friends to occupy …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 12:29 PM
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Being friend zoned is something that happens when you are young and are not experienced. Girls personalities are largely set by 16, boys brains aren't fully formed until closer to 25. This gives young women nearly a decade head start (there's probably biological reasons why this was advantageous). So you're laying these questions out to a young boy with a partially formed brain? Why doesn't he know not to do these things? The obvious answer is that becoming friends with a girl feels like progres…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 12:22 PM
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Totally bogus take. Being friendzoned is where the friendship consists of you putting in boyfriend effort to remain friends, not actual friendship effort. When you stop putting in boyfriend effort the friendship either fades, or if she thinks you are pursuing some one else she teases the possibility of more to keep you providing boyfriend level effort. It is this exploitive nature of the friend zone that is problematic. The fact that you like them as more than friends is exploited to receive thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 11:41 AM
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So basically you've got no evidence and choose to explain away the data the disproves your point. Sorry that isn't offering actual data to support your view point.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 10:53 AM
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You can certainly say that as an opinion, but I don't know how you can offer any data to support your opinion. All the data we have whether it be marriage rates, divorce rates, birth rates, length of time between sexual partners are far lower than they were in the past. So without any data to back up your claim, it lands pretty empty.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 10:03 AM
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Sure, that could work. He could pay her for that, and she could reimburse him for rent and all the money he spent on her if you want to go that route.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 01:13 AM
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And he supported her, an able bodied adult to do those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 12:59 AM
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I think the answer is π number of times. /s Seriously I think it's less about a number and more if it's clear that the person has decided unilaterally that you both are done having sex. Most men are willing to wait years (and suffer) hoping things fix themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 12:57 AM
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Yes, you are choosing to abstain. Would you agree that this is the correct term for choosing not to have sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 12:54 AM
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If you don’t have sex you’re not monogamous? That’s one I haven’t heard before. What’s the time frame on that happening? Yes not having sex is known as abstinence. Abstinence isn't monogamy. It’s interesting we keep coming back to the idea that divorce proceedings should in some way punish women who don’t have sex. I would view it as, we should not punish men for something that isn't their fault. You characterize this as punishing women, I would just characterize it as not holding men responsibl…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 10:05 PM
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For men that think if your wife won’t have sex with you after x amount of time you should be “allowed” to cheat on her. I think the trap comes from monogamy. Remember monogamy is two things. We have sex with each other. We don't have sex with others. Many people just think monogamy is rule #2, but if you don't have rule #1 then you aren't practicing monogamy you are practicing abstinence. To be monogamous you have to both be having sex with each other and not having sex with others. So there's r…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 09:31 PM
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I don't think anyone anywhere is arguing that women need to provide men sex like fresh water to castaway. It only comes up in the context of a monogamous relationship where one party leaves monogamy by no longer participating in a sexual relationship while expecting the other party to remain abstinent.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 12:14 AM
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Only to the extent that there are many more women who are single in their 40s now. So they are out there, but I don't think it's really that much of a competition between them and the 30 year olds. A woman in her 40s is a better match (for a variety of reasons) for a guy in his 50s or 60s. So I just see them as different dating markets.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 09:22 PM
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I think it's unlikely that a 40 year old is going to date a 22 year old unless it's Leonardo DiCaprio. But a 40 year old dating a 30 year old? Common place.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 09:04 PM
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Is it really that much of a competition though? Guys basically date as young as they practically can with the overwhelming dating attention going to women below 40.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 07:40 PM
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My impression has been that the self improvement stuff was the core strategy for dealing with the reality that the RP documents. So it was always the core conclusion on how best to deal with it. Black Pill was derived from those who saw the RP prescription as being useless or a waste of time. So basically Black Pill is where you end up if you reject the self improvement approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 07:34 PM
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If a woman is having sex with you it's because she wants to. Her saying it's off the table is her current state of mind and that can change in an instant. Usually that type of talk is intended to give her an 'out' and to imply she didn't want to, that it just happened. She just happened to go back to your place, got naked by removing the sexy lingerie she wore for the date, got in bed, and you started having sex, you know like how things often due when they aren't intentional.
/r/seduction05/07/24 05:36 PM
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And how much of that was blind luck? I mean most people are doing it like crazy when dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 05:32 PM
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Men are avoiding being divorced raped, being single as a guy is great.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 05:29 PM
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I think you are missing the very big elephant in the room that men typically are royally screwed over by divorce while women are not. If you told most men dealing with a dead bedroom, hey you can walk away, get 50/50 with the kids, you keep everything you paid for, she keeps what she paid for and there's no child support or alimony most men would take it. When you find out, well no, the home you bought before you were married is half hers because you thought adding her name to the title would de…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 05:29 PM
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is it bad for me to ask straight up what are her intentions of dating I suppose it depends... Whenver I do that, .... then she drops everything and leaves. Then maybe it's not your best strategy.
/r/seduction05/07/24 05:43 AM
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No, in all honesty she probably lined up a few different guys before leaving her old relationship and you just didn't win out.
/r/seduction05/07/24 12:27 AM
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I think you're in luck, all the data we have shows men are very good at loving their wives their entire relationship. It's the reverse that is harder to find.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 01:03 PM
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So how many women inquire about your sex skills when deciding if they are going to sleep with you? If a woman is inquiring about your sexual skills, the answer is, she already wants to have sex with you. Questions like 'How big is it?', 'Do you go down a girl?', 'Are you a good kisser?', are all green light questions and the answers aren't really that important.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 12:43 PM
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I've come to the conclusion that when women talk about 'women's intuition' it's because game recognizes game. Basically a woman will spot a game she herself is running. So if she thinks a woman is cheating, it's because she herself at one point was cheating. That's why they recognize the signs.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 01:15 AM
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The term creepy is a weapon women use. It can be a shield or it can be a sword. A woman being harassed by man tells others someone is acting creepy to illicit aid. To activate protection. In that instance it's a shield. Other women use that same power as a sword such as the examples I gave. The point is that it comes down to the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 11:28 PM
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As defined by the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 11:10 PM
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You avoid getting friend zoned by moving on when a woman you see romantically tells you she's not romantically interested.
/r/seduction03/07/24 10:37 PM
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Because you keep coming back with misinterpretations of what I'm saying, seemingly intentionally. Men are responsible for their actions. Women are responsible for their actions. Ones feelings are ones own feelings. If a woman 'feels' something is creepy that is not the man's responsibility. I'll give an example (this happened to me). I was at the park with my kids, my kids are old enough they run to the other side of the park (where no benches are). I'm fine with them exercising some autonomy so…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 10:32 PM
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Ah, so men should solve their issue by just increasing their sexual market value by upping their sex skills Men do those things to get women to desire to have sex with them. Women filter sexual partners first for relationship material (short or long), so if a woman is having sex with you she's already signally she sees you as either long or short term. Women need to up their relationship skills to advance past having sex. This is where women need to up their relationship game (taking on chores a…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 10:30 PM
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Lol, you're just arguing to argue, I've made my point and you apparently are unable to engage with it genuinely.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 08:42 PM
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No, you're missing the nuance. Men are responsible for their behavior. Her response to that behavior is what she controls. If she sees a guy smiling and finds it creepy, the problem is not with him but her reaction. Women are capable and have agency or at least some do. Others want the rest of the world to re-arrange itself to suit them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 08:35 PM
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You seem to have a lot of the dating dynamics backwards. Women aren't the fish, women are the fishermen. Women spot a good fish (a man) and go after that guy, while ignoring other fish. Women do not dictate relationships, women dictate sexual access. Men dictate relationships and most of the fish women want to go after have high relationship standards, higher than most women can meet. Women who struggle in getting relationships struggle because they confuse their sexual market value with their r…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 08:00 PM
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Creepiness is a feeling the woman has. It's a determination she is making based on her experience. Men aren't responsible for her feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 07:53 PM
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She was having an affair and just wanted to blame me for why she was distant. It's a real thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 03:33 PM
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Then, OTHER men essentially tell the guy the problem is him, and that he needs to improve himself in order to attract even a woman who is way beneath his level?? Because himself is something he actually controls. A plan like 'Let's tell women they need to change' isn't a useful or actionable plan. It's like, 'Hey I'm warm, I smell smoke. Hey it's getting hot I see flames. Hey I'm not sure what to do there's smoke and flames everywhere, do you think I'm safe?' It's like no dude, get up and help y…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 03:19 PM
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I've personally experienced what I've learned to call 'the scavenger hunt'. This is where a seemingly never ending list of tasks comes up needed for her to be happy and feel loved. Once one task is complete, a new one you've never heard of appears. As a blue pilled man you feel like it's your job to work on this things as a form of putting effort into the relationship. Then at some point you realize the entire purpose was to just keep you occupied and prevent you from asking for the things you n…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 03:07 PM
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Most of hardcore feminists see a patriarchy because they are not conventionally attractive and therefore don't reap the enormous benefits attractive women receive when they are young. Once you realize feminists are usually the female equivalent to an incel, you end up caring a lot less about what they think.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 03:00 PM
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I've never seen RedPill say anything like that. RedPill is all about understanding reality, accepting it, and learning how to best navigate that reality. A blue pill approach would be to always try to make your wife happy as an ill fated attempt at having a happy content wife. It turns out this fails miserably. RedPill tells you to to do things (like work on yourself) that actually make your wife excited to be with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 02:56 PM
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Part of the reason the wife has no sexual drive is because she's secure. Make her less secure and it will stoke her flames of needing to put in effort again.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 01:19 AM
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I think the divorce rate is a reflection of unshared risk between the two parties in a marriage. Basically the higher income earner bears all the risk and a lower income earner is essentially protected, even if they are at fault and the primary reason a divorce is occuring.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 01:16 AM
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It's almost certainly a no. Even though you stated she has a great personality, to allow yourself to become obese reflects on areas of self control, self respect and discipline as well as mental health. It's sort of like all successful people are ambitious. All obese people have issues to work through and I'd pass and move on to someone who didn't have those issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 12:16 AM
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Exactly, she's totally planning on using her options.
/r/seduction01/07/24 05:48 PM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 12:31 PM
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The man n woman are complete strangers and hes taking her out on a date, but he expects sex, As you said, your made up scenario. I think it's an unlikely one. Some guy probably called you out for wasting his time and now your trying to contrive a question to get the answer you want on reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 05:22 AM
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Inheritance isn't a marital asset. I just think partners should pull their own weight, I don't understand why you think one partner can contribute so little, unless of course you plan on being that partner and want to convince some highly successful person to subsidize you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 02:47 AM
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Who would choose a retail job because their husband “makes enough,” still work 40 hours, just to have the chores be split equally? Someone who thinks that just working the same hours equals an equal contribution.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 01:32 AM
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You just aren't the type. There are some women who feel lucky to have the opportunity to not have to worry work but instead focus their energy on their kids. You characterize this as some sort of slavery. Then don't be a SAHM.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 01:22 AM
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I guess when he takes on financial responsibility for a healthy, able bodied person he just sort of expects she will eagerly want to reward the family with her efforts.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 12:35 AM
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Women bringing friends is pretty common, guys deal with it all the time. Having a woman pay for your dinner is pretty common too. You can find plenty of videos of women openly admitting that they act interested to get free meals and to stoke attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 12:33 AM
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That's the whole point, refusing to acknowledge a valid male perspective while pushing a victimized female perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 12:30 AM
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The majority of the so called wage gap is due to women picking jobs that they find emotionally fulfilling vs highest paying.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 12:29 AM
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A woman doesn't need to ever jump in to bed, sex should always be consensual. But if you aren't romantically interested in a guy, you should shut down going on dates with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 12:28 AM
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That's fine if they are not expected to contribute financially beyond 50/50.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 12:27 AM
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I have never seen or heard any of my friends talking about being owed sex. It think that when a woman has taken full advantage of a man's courtesy, even well past when she's realized she's not interested she needs a way to turn herself into the victim in the situation and pretending he expected sex is one way of doing that. The fact ur response is full of all these sex assumptions only tells me this is why some men take women out, just hoping to gain access to sex Sex is one of the defining feat…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 12:26 AM
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I've had both happen (not the same date). But I've literally been on hundreds of dates, so I've had just about everything happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 12:23 AM
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Well your question was how would you know, I gave one such specific example where a guy can feel like 'Yeah I was taken advantage on that one'. Then women turn around and admonish him for 'expecting sex' which sort of seems to miss the plot entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 07:28 PM
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Maybe she could insist on paying for herself if she isn't interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 07:26 PM
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I think when you go out and the woman is ordering the most expensive things, multiple glasses of wine, maybe asks one of her friends to join for drinks then tells you she sees you more as a friend you sort of read the tea leaves.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 07:25 PM
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I don't think he should be entitled to half if you separate, that's for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 06:52 PM
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Do these women buy you dinner?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 06:51 PM
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He expects not to be evaluated purely on how nice a meal he can provide.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 06:51 PM
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I think if a man feels used it's because he finds out she went over to some other guys place after having dinner or has a fwb. That's when he knows she had basically no interest in sex with him and just saw him as a free meal. Contrary to your premise I don't think a guy expects sex, he expects a fair chance at seeing if you are compatible. If you've got side dick lined up for after the date then clearly he wasn't given a fair chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 06:31 PM
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I mean only if you believe both partners should contribute equally. It's also fine if you don't mind one partner subsidizing the other. Maybe there's a big discrepancy in looks?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 06:28 PM
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Even if it's full time, if it makes significantly less, the point still stands. They could be home contributing equally on the home front, but you're saying by taking a non career job (say retail) that suddenly chores must be split 50/50. That makes no sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 05:40 PM
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It's real easy to figure out. Who gets paid more. Basically both partners have an obligation to contribute to the relationship and if one brings in 3x the money, the other has to make it up in other ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 03:12 PM
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I think many women see the relationship goals as an extension of their goals. Meaning they enter into the relationship as a means to further their goals. This means that if you separate effort into personal goals that each person has as well as the shared goals of the relationship, in my experience women think that their efforts are always for the relationship, where as anything the man does that is inherently selfish if it isn't towards her goals (which she miscasts as the relationship goals). …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 03:11 PM
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So if one person brings in 10x the money and the other gets a part time job she avoids doing half the chores? How convenient /s If it was me, I'd make you pull your weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 03:08 PM
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I'm beginning to realize a whole lot of people don't have any idea what the RedPill says.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 11:41 PM
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I mean a young hot guy could probably pull this off. Your average dude, middle aged? It's a no.
/r/seduction28/06/24 11:56 AM
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If it's not a yes, it's a no.
/r/seduction28/06/24 04:40 AM
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And don't get me wrong, he does okay. Certainly better than myself at his age (or maybe any age). But he still gets ignored by woman close to his level a fair amount.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 10:43 PM
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There just aren't a lot of quality woman is the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 10:41 PM
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I have a cousin. He's 19, 6'4", D1 College swimmer's body, very social and likable. He does well with the ladies but even he doesn't feel like its easy. Basically a mid-overweight woman has an easier time.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 09:35 PM
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This is the key, creepy is defined by the observer based on their feelings. Not necessarily based on the specific actors actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 03:06 PM
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Women rely heavily on other women to filter men. If some women like a man, it's much better than if no women like a man. She doesn't even need to know the women. This magnifies the effect since all women tend to more or less like the same men, if a woman can land that guy, it affects her social status. It's also probably the case that a well liked person has better developed social skills and it will translate directly into more opportunities.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 02:55 PM
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What is your relation to her? Friend, potential boyfriend? Don't take the bait and spend an enormous time giving her compliments. When she's put forth a particular effort sure, but feeding compliments like that sounds like a sure trip to the friend zone.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 11:59 AM
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I would guess she wants a guy to puff up her ego, but hard to say. Most beautiful women I know almost ignore compliments about their looks they get them so often. Is this woman actually beautiful? Like a 7 or above?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 03:57 AM
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Red Pill, read Rollo's book 'The Rational Male' as a starting point.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 12:54 AM
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She wants you to get emotionally vulnerable? She's testing if you are stable enough and a secure bet. The weaker you look the less she will think you're a good option. Basically women want to know... assuming the answer is your emotions are rock solid and you're capable.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 11:07 PM
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It's because they're lack of logic. Lol, oh man, this will be a popular take. Honestly I was confused by women for some time, this is why Red Pill is so important. It really simplifies and clarifies things. Women are way more logical than we men give them credit for, they are just playing a very different game than we have been taught to believe that they are. Women like bad boys because they are fun. Bad boys give women a free pass to do the things they aren't supposed to like but secretly do a…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 03:50 PM
1

It's like ordering steak from a waiter and the waiter brings fish and you tell them, 'I didn't ask for fish' and the waiter starts to cry and says 'You didn't even try the fish'.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 02:42 AM
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Both viewpoints are nonsense. People who are good in bed enjoy performing oral sex. I've never heard any RP content that says performing oral on a woman is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 02:41 AM
1

More like she does a bunch of things she wants to do and tells herself she's doing it for her man, who doesn't notice because they weren't things he asked for.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 07:52 AM
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Well yeah, men start off relationships courting women, putting in tons of effort. Eventually that effort level begins to match the woman's effort until they are equal. So it's no wonder the woman pines for the time when she was getting so much effort for free.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 12:39 AM
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Glad to hear you are doing well and sorry for your peers decline. I'm just going by my anecdotal evidence and life experience. I'm the same age as you and I have several friends who's wives no longer desire sexual energy in any form, one is nearly bed ridden (Imagine my 700 lb life sort of lifestyle), one has long covid. I can think of others where the mental decline in terms of depression has them acting like people from another planet compared to when they were young. Most men I know are the s…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 02:17 PM
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Men assume their wives will always stay the same but they don't. Women expect their husbands will change but they stay the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 02:14 PM
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I don't see it as a revenge fantasy at all. I see it as telling men to stop trying to force themselves to comply with the narrative that they should accept these women. It's more of a 'don't date this woman because she's on the verge of becoming bitter and will have health issues'. It's not wishing it on her, it's more acknowledging that women face a steeper decline then men as they age. Mental health issues, depression issues, shutting down of sexual desire. Women have a sparkling apex in their…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 03:41 AM
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The average woman treats the average man like he's invisible. When men talk about low standards they mean things like 'she talks to me with an ounce of enthusiasm, suggesting she's happy being here'. Most men date fun, nice women, then marry them only to find out they are bottomless pits of sadness and depression.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 03:06 AM
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No they don't want to live in a community of cat women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 01:37 AM
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6 Figures, 6 pack, 6 inches.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 01:33 AM
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We can definitely admit that, but I think the point of the question is that most women present their standards by openly insulting most men. So why is there a restriction on how men can share their standards and not women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 01:15 AM
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If you've met a women, then you know 100% what they want changes during the month. Sometimes women who barely can stand you practically jump your bones 3 days out of the month.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 06:57 PM
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Sex is easy to get for women because men verify sexual access first. Relationships are what is hard. Getting relationship commitment from a man is not easy for most women because they use the sexual access as a means to date high quality men than they are. So the man accepts the sexual access, then does his relationship vetting, then realizes he's not interested. And the woman never reflects that she's just shooting her shot way too high. Generally speaking women look to date up, which is anothe…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 03:55 PM
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This is where the dual mating strategy comes in to sharpen your picture. Yes they will get with guys below their standards, but they will remain on the look out for those guys that do meet their standards. Once they secure the beta bux side of things they can readily continue looking for alpha fux candidates.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 03:51 PM
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Is it clearly legal? I'm hearing all kinds of rumours of such events being shut down. Having an event shut down is not the same as being imprisoned. In private chat conversations people are telling me about chats being shut down. Again not the same as being taken to court, charged with a crime, convicted and then imprisoned. Agree with you there, so we need to start joining private spaces where we will be permitted to speak freely. Quite to the contrary, I think in a country that values free spe…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 01:38 PM
1

I would say misandry is pretty openly tolerated and is a source of amusement for women. It appears all the time. Do you see the women on the view 'Most men are useless'. I agree it's not productive to gender bash, but pretending that women openly mocking men is some how rare is disingenuous. Spend two minutes reading any post on r/Feminism and watch how they turn literally every interaction with men into a toxic trauma filled rant.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 01:34 PM
1

Do you realize that most women's spaces are 'let's shit on men'?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 01:23 PM
3

It's clearly legal. The policing comes in the form of being demonetized on platforms like youtube and having comments and the ability to comment banned from public spaces. I mean half the forums on reddit if you comment that women have a dual mating strategy where they seek sexual attention from good looking men and resources from average looking men you get banned from commenting immediately. So you are not being arrested, you simply aren't welcome to be part of the public discourse. Basically …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 01:10 PM
4

My partner is 11 years younger than me. I was 38 and she was 27 when we met. I look young for my age, she's aging normally, most people assume we are just a few years apart in age.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 12:09 PM
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Those same women have bad experiences with everyone they date and they arrive in their 30s feeling like no good men exist, never once turning the mirror on themselves to realize they are the common factor in all of their experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 12:08 PM
1

But those aren't the hobbies that got me laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 09:28 PM
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The hobbies are supposed to be hobbies the opposite sex likes. Btw, I raced ICC and stock moto on a TrackMagic chassis. Now I race a Spec E46 I built during COVID.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 06:10 PM
3

You gotta learn somewhere, when you learn to drive stick do you start out on a brand new 500 hp Porsche or do you learn on and old worn out civic with 300,000 miles?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 02:05 PM
5

Because the older women aren't trying to help the younger woman, the older women are trying to shame the man so that other men don't follow suite. The younger man getting with an older woman is just going to finishing school.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 01:59 PM
5

We all grew up in a Blue Pilled world where the feminist narrative is that no woman ever has done anything wrong and everything is an example of toxic masculinity. Even if there's a begrudging acknowledgement that it is possible a woman could, in theory, do something wrong, it's seen as so rare and not realistic that you are a misogynist for denying that 99.9% of the time a man is 100% at fault. So with that backdrop most men walk on egg shells not wanting to ever be that toxic guy that accident…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 05:34 PM
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In fact, force them to build the cities for almost zero pay, then fire them all. Well obviously. And have the men do the repairs late at night, because this is a woman run city and the women don't want to see any men fixing things. They just want them magically fixed.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 05:28 PM
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Most lesbians I know are pretty comfortable not spending time with men. I have a lesbian "friend" I know from a shared hobby and although we are always friendly and happy when we see each other, there's a clear boundary and I think she'd get weirded out if I started calling her or trying to hang out.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 03:30 PM
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I think it's a great idea, how do we get men to pay for it so the women can be strong and independent?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 02:35 PM
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A good way to incentivize more women to have children. Women shouldn't be incentivized to do anything, let them pick what they want to do. guaranteeing that women could continue to chase their dreams as well. Why should society support or compensate women like that? Just let them live with the consequences of their choices the way men do. I'd say encourage women to do whatever they want, but stop all handouts that reinforce bad choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 10:09 PM
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I don't think it's very often.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 12:39 AM
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Every man I know who has gotten divorced did exactly what you said, but did so because their lawyer told them there was zero chance they'd get custody. It's crazy, because given the poor outcomes of single mothers, leaving children with a mother is the worst thing we can do statistically speaking.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 03:24 PM
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I think by frequently you mean 'almost never' and if so usually due to a technical mistake.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 01:41 PM
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The problem with no fault divorce is that it comes with a 50/50 split, which benefits the lower income earner. I think there should be no fault divorce but no fault should conclude with no alimony. If you want alimony you should have to seek an at-fault divorce. Also child support should default to zero with 50/50 custody. Child support should only apply if one parent cannot fulfill their 50/50 duty. Our current system rewards (usually) women who walk away from marriage for little to no reason a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 01:25 PM
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I think this is accurate, but also turn that logic around. The majority of women today aren't suitable for relationships and won't receive them. They will drift from f boi to f boi with out understanding why no one wants to be in a long term relationship with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 04:49 AM
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That makes two of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 10:31 PM
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That would make them terrible lesbians.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 09:54 PM
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Exactly, given enough time I'm sure a woman can point out how this is a man's fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 09:53 PM
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I think simply giving a man a route to recover his investment is what is needed. The law already has rules around 'theft by deception' and I'd consider paternity fraud in a similar light. The issue is that courts have typically decided in 'the best interest of the child' which argues that a mother having to pay back a man she deceived would result in less resources for the kid. This is what allows women to get away with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 09:44 PM
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I think it's possible to be friends with a woman when she's not in anyway attractive, but she would need a good personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 05:58 PM
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And where did you see that? Was it when I said 'during good times we should strive to treat everyone equally and give everyone fair opportunity.'
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 06:05 AM
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Feminism exists because men choose to let it exist. Progress in feminism is due to men letting it progress. Just look what happened in Afghanistan after the US left when men who didn't want feminism took over. We live in one of the longest periods of extended peace for the majority of the planet. If that changes feminism will take a back seat. Otherwise, during good times we should strive to treat everyone equally and give everyone fair opportunity. At the moment we give more scholarships for wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 03:44 AM
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France tried it and their social safety net almost went broke because of all the trifling women left alone when the men found out they were being taken for a ride. Now in France it's illegal to get one unless the court requests it. 2) Isn't a cogent argument. You're assuming the biological father wouldn't be a good father if he knew he had a child and that some man at random, chosen by the woman would be a better father. None of that is certain. 3) DV is already a crime. It's better to detect pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 01:31 AM
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It just sounds like you haven't gotten past the initial bitter taste of the red pill. Eventually you just accept it and realize you can't control it, you can only navigate it the best you can. You don't get upset about it or feel victimized. You feel empowered because you understand the rules of the game.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 05:38 AM
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100% Women's actions are intentionally ambiguous, this is the source of their power. A woman can reshape the narrative to victimize herself and put you in the wrong at any time. This is why men are always wrong. This is why it's important to keep things light and don't get too invested. A woman could change her mind for a variety of reasons unrelated to you. Her boyfriend could appear, a more attractive man could appear, her friends could appear. She could realize she's late to go somewhere. May…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 12:06 PM
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It's even more meta than that, she could very well be flirting but then she gets an ick, in which case she was never flirting and was just being nice and you are oh so weird for confusing the two. It's like how a squid leaves a poof of ink and disappears. Women reframe the narrative casting the man as the bad guy and exit stage left leaving the guy wondering wtf just happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 11:02 PM
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Well attraction is a two way street. Just because you find someone attractive does not mean they find you attractive, which is how it becomes a bit like a dance. No one wanting to put themselves out there to be spurned. You have to learn to read the cues otherwise you will waste a lot of time and creep out a lot of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 05:11 PM
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I think just the fact that she's made herself available to talk to you is a big sign. So from there I'd recommend keeping it light. The way humans react to new people is your brain tries to figure out what this new person is all about. People try to peg them to someone similar to someone they've met before so they can attribute qualities and to feel comfortable with you. All humans do this. So realistically you are interested in her because you like the idea of her. If she's talking to you then …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 05:06 PM
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It's just a shaming tactic intended to get you to act outside of your interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 01:56 PM
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That's exactly how it works. Have babies, more people like you. Don't have babies, your combination of genes are a dead end.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 01:55 PM
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And I wish you well on your path. My opinion is just that, not meant to denigrate another's opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 01:25 PM
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Exactly, I think in your situation your viewpoint is logical and appropriate. You want a partner who wants to be with you because of you, not one looking to leverage laws to extract resources from you if they decide they aren't happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 01:22 PM
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That's fine, they have a right to do whatever they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 01:20 PM
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Well I'm glad you found a like minded individual. If he only wanted to marry me as a vessel for children then I would view him very, very differently. Honestly you didn't have to make a petty comment like this. I didn't say anything remotely close to a woman is only a vessel for children.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 01:19 PM
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True, but since those people don't reproduce, we don't have many of those people.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 01:14 PM
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As a man I see no reason to marry without the children. Marriage is far too much of a commitment on a man's part to not get children in return. So yes, what you say is true, but I think the risk of divorce is almost entirely carried by the higher income earner and for me personally that risk is to great to bear to just hang out with someone. If that were the case, just date and enjoy our time together.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 01:12 PM
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Because that's literally the purpose of life, to win by passing your genes on.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 01:10 PM
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And she won't necessarily stop dating chad when chances arise.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 01:05 PM
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Exactly, and if they want to have children the most successful way to do that is to have an involved and committed partner. Not to mention marriage laws mitigate some of those pregnancy risks if there's a divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 01:04 PM
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The best approach is to reflect on why you aren't succeeding. The obvious answer is that you aren't reading the room and are mistaking apathy as interest (or not even looking to confirm interest). When I was young I'd approach attractive women and ask them out all the time. It never worked, I was 0 for lifetime. I didn't lack confidence but I definitely lacked results. Eventually I learned to pick up on women's cues and when they were showing interest in me. Once you start to see this it becomes…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 12:44 PM
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My guess is she just prefers the shade of purple over a shade of blue, I mean it's not like she understands any of the pills.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 02:27 AM
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No the wall is real. Part of the reason why it's so noticeable in women is that women use tricks like makeup to fake their looks. When a woman hits the wall and realizes she can no longer attract the type of guys she's into (she still usually can attract lots of guys) she often stops spending so much time on make up and fashion and staying in shape, goes for a simpler short hair-hair cut so it seems like she went from hot to not in just a couple of months.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 02:26 AM
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Agreed, usually women use excuses like this when they are done extracting attention or the guy is pushing for reciprocation that she isn't going to give. So they just come up with something to blame him.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 11:49 PM
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It's almost like you haven't seen a young attractive woman before.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 08:08 PM
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If you are able to look in the mirror and truly evaluate yourself. The physical, your job, your hygiene and grooming, your social skills, your comfort in promoting others around you to have the spotlight. If you can improve in all those areas (and why wouldn't you want to) it will more than likely help with women. If you told me a guy was short and not classically handsome, but then you also told me, this guy started his own company, is funny, charismatic, not threatened around other successful …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 08:05 PM
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Women aren't always an improvement.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 07:59 PM
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Self improvement is a way of life. Realizing as a man you can always improve and strive for more. Will it get you a more attractive girlfriend? Maybe, maybe not, depends on where you started, but let's say it doesn't. Let's say you can't find a woman you find attractive that is into you. You'll still have a much more kick ass life because of all that work. More than likely it will get you better options for a girlfriend as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 04:05 PM
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Yeah they stem from the same issue. One party wanting more from the other and the more wanted party only willing to offer a one sided relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 03:44 PM
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I tangentially met this couple (friend of a friend). The woman was truly stunning. Visualize a prime Scarlett Johansen and you won't be too far off. He was a very nice guy, brain surgeon with a practice generating 7 figures. Physically he was probably 5'8", a little overweight, not terribly, but not a fit guy, some hair loss (late 30s). But personality was a 10, charming, funny, very likable guy, gracious and willing to share the spot light to be very inclusive of everyone in the room. Just not …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 04:07 AM
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I think this is geared towards the post wall ex-baddy who has a three page list of requirements including loaded terms like 'Ambitious' - Code for successful, 'Great sense of humor'- Code for handsome enough I just get giddy and laugh at everything he says. etc. This woman can never find a woman good enough to meet her standards, because she herself doesn't meet her own standards. For most women it is mostly that they seem to pick poorly.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 05:57 PM
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When your brought up in the west your taught a really idealistic view of women, one where even if somethings seem crazy, that really women think differently and men should accept that they don't know everything and trust in women. Trust their intuition, etc. I think what RP exposes is that usually if it sounds crazy or illogical, its probably lying to explain away some solipsistic end result. At best it stems from women's awful communication skills that rely on telepathy. I think for a lot of me…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 05:52 PM
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You can believe whatever you want, but I think the RP assertion is accurate and men understanding that the love they receive is conditional is critical to understanding why men must always be striving to improve. Reminder, 76% of divorces are initiated by women. Was their love unconditional?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 02:42 PM
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Men are taught love from their mothers and generally only love unconditionally. Women have that relationship with their children. Women are also described as ignorant, selfish, immature beings and thus compared to teens and children I would agree with that description, but not for all women, just you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 02:22 PM
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Is letting a man buy you a drink cheating?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 02:25 AM
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They say that women love differently and I think that's accurate. Women have unconditional love for their children, not their men. I'm not sure what you mean by unaware.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 01:02 AM
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Well since I have found RP to conform very will to my experiences I can tell you that you are wrong. What you are claiming is not what I believe. I just told you what I believe. Should I tell you what you believe? I'm sure I could get creative and think up some really weird stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 03:20 PM
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Red Pill says that women are the same as men, no better, no worse. This is very different from the Blue Pill perspective that women are sugar and spice and everything nice, and are the fairer sex, the better half in a relationship, etc. RP arguably takes a much more humanizing view of women, that they are capable of being just as bad as men. Your entire premise is false.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 02:14 PM
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Women don't define what they do cheating, it's one of the ways they rationalize it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 01:21 AM
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I think the obvious answer is to look at all the female dominated societies around the world to see how well this would work.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 01:17 AM
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it suggests woman can’t have real emotions or feelings like men do It doesn't suggest anything like that. It suggests you as a man don't control her. Whether a woman's feelings are like a man's is irrelevant. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't, but they are her feelings and not the man's and she's doing with those feelings whatever she wants. when in fact the guy should be hurt from the experience and learn from it by making personal boundaries. Honestly you are so way off base with your beliefs …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 05:39 AM
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but it’s also an excuse for lack of personal responsibility I would argue it's the exact opposite, it's telling you to take personality responsibility. ‘females’ are simple creatures which can’t deny their female nature and can be controlled by the right guy. RP isn't about controlling women, in fact a strong tenant in RP is 'She's not yours it's just your turn'. It speaks to the fact that women change their mind, often based on a change in their available options, and there's nothing you can do…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 05:02 AM
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I have no idea where that stat comes from but I would argue people arrive at RP because they have had bad experiences with women. It's RP that give them the tools stop focusing on women so much and just getting their life going. Which indirectly often means women start becoming interested. I understand RP came from a PUA background, but I personally don't even think those are the most interesting aspects of RP. The basic life advice for a man to always be improving is great advice whether you ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 04:42 AM
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I mean people all over the world have by and large similar drives. There's obviously a spectrum and people don't all fall in the same spot, but most people are near the middle. That's how averages work. If you are planning a strategy you go where the majority of people are, it isn't logical to target small pockets of aberrant behavior unless for some reason you have access to a collection of people with that behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 04:33 AM
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What on Earth does your question have to do with RP? Of course we wouldn't want to live in a country like that. There are barely any Islamic countries that are out of the stone age.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 04:14 AM
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This is why RP is so important. The reaction you are talking about is a BP reaction. When guys have been told that women care about them being nice, being dependable, being loyal, working towards having a career, being family focused and then they see that what they were told doesn't work. It's when you take the RP that you realize what is going on. I'll give a example of this, BP mentality would tell you that having money is attractive to women, so saving for a house, retirement, being good at …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 04:09 AM
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We can't control what the opposite sex wants but we can control how we treat the opposite sex and who we give our attention to. What we are attracted to is basically baked in. But I agree in time someone who is physically attractive can be diminished in your eyes quite quickly when you start to see narcissistic and toxic traits, but this comes from learning.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/24 03:02 PM
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It's common to have to date older when you are younger. Women in their 20s (and early 20s in particular) are so in demand that they can act almost any way they want, which if you are a 8 or below can mean you are treated pretty horribly. But those older women function more as practice than long term. I mean 18 year old men aren't marrying 30 year old women. Regardless of what they tell themselves when embarking. When I was 24 I dated a 35 year old woman, mostly for the same reason, I wasn't attr…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/24 02:19 PM
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Well if you are mature and lead a mature life, she will catch on quick. Women are smart, you wouldn't deal with immaturity for long. Instead of thinking about the guys who would traumatize her, be that positive guy that redefines what she expects from a man. When I was 47 I dated a 31 year old. It didn't work out due to distance but that's what she told me in parting, that I had redefined in her head what a man could be and how she wanted to be treated going forward. I thought that was a pretty …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/24 01:55 PM
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This is a classic BP mentality. Everyone thinks about their good qualities, asserts in their head that these are THE important qualities that should be valued and naturally give themselves a high score on their own made up rating system. They then struggle to understand why their results don't match this self rating. They blame the opposite sex of not realizing how their way of seeing things is the right way. Btw, all these attempts at viewing gender norms as fungible has made this worse. People…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/24 01:40 PM
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Well that wasn't my point, my point was simply look for a higher quality woman, she will usually be younger than the one that just gave you a headache listening to her list of requirements.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/24 05:21 AM
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So half the time if a woman is giving you a list of things she wants in a man it's just her way of saying not interested or she's delusional. She could walk 10' and go for someone else missing everything she just told you she wants. Don't argue with a woman about what she wants, it's pointless. There's something incredibly special about how a woman acts when she's attracted to you. The flip side of that is that there is nothing less interesting than a woman who's not interested in you. So let he…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/24 05:14 AM
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Can you help me with a usable definition of toxic masculinity, it's usually used to explain psychopaths and mass shooters and is thrown around as a generic insult towards all men but the latter usage in particular just seem to stem from more of an anti masculinity view point. As for women's long list of requirements it's best for men to more or less ignore them, women are rarely consistent in terms of what they say they want and what they actually go after.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/24 05:02 AM
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RPs answer is that women have the guys they are attracted to and the guys they can extract resources from. When it's time to have kids, get a nicer home, etc they need to invest more time in the guys they can extract resources from. So to those men, they meet women with sky high standards, who never settle, who complain at the smallest inconvenience. They are in full on resource extraction mode. Like a person haggling over prices at the farmers market. They very well would act quite different wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 08:20 PM
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I think a guy who was taught to simp for women, always getting friend zoned, having his time sucked away by women who are indifferent to him is well served to realize that true friends reciprocate and that if his stopping simping is seen as 'him being mean' then he truly should look elsewhere for friends who match his effort. This is healthy and maturing. If a woman realizes that she keeps getting used by losers by throwing sex at them and thinks, I'm going to start acting like I'm worth somethi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 08:16 PM
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I literally quoted that from OPs original post.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 07:27 PM
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I think I understand a woman makes changes good. A man makes changes bad. It makes so much more sense now.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 07:25 PM
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I think the anger over RP mostly stems from the exposing of things that women would prefer not to be exposed. It basically shines a spotlight on bad behavior and it's behavior women expend a large amount of time trying to narrate is not occurring.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 04:34 PM
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It's like, if they let bad boy's hit it on the first date, and did all kinds of wild stuff. And she claims to have changed
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 04:11 PM
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Red Pill isn't about men, it's about exposing women. If you grew up in a Blue Pilled world you were taught that women are made up of sugar and spice and everything nice. That they are the fairer sex. The better half in a relationship. That women work tirelessly, twice as hard as man for half of the results. Red Pill pulls back the curtain.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 04:10 PM
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Although clearly you should like, love and respect your partner, I actually don't think it's entirely healthy to make your partner your main friend. Reasons can very but some of it is that women often store up negative emotions around situations and personalize things that don't have anything to do with them, so if you over share your feelings it can come back to bite you. An example of this is the classic complaint that women throw personal things in your face during arguments, hinting at huge …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 11:32 AM
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This is like the guy who says, I have a yacht and a villa in the south of France, you just have to play your cards right and you'll get to see them. You wanna be a masculine boss babe, you have every right to be whatever you wanna be, google luck with that. It's a hard pass from me and most men, however.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 05:13 AM
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The people who don't reproduce leave less of those people in the next generation, they just get replaced by people who are reproducing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 03:09 AM
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I think men and women optimize their effort based on their experiences in the dating market. Women put in the amount of effort that they need to.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 03:08 AM
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But yet, why is it that HE can exchange in the recreational fun, but still consider himself husband material? It's simple, people are rewarded for doing what is difficult. For a man to build himself up to be desired by women takes a great deal of work and effort, that's why it's admired. For a woman to hold out and be selective is difficult and requires effort and that's why it's admired. Also the way women pair bond is different than men and you can look at data on divorce to see that after a c…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 10:31 PM
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And women see nice guys as toxic, which is why he's not doing it anymore. So back to OPs question, why are women celebrated for making changes and men who change seen as bad when both are adjusting their dating strategies based on the prior outcomes not being to their liking?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 10:15 PM
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It's a woman saying she's not going to do the things she used to do for past boyfriends and a guy saying he's not going to do the same thing for girls he likes. Your perspective is that you are entitled to this guys attention and therefore if he stops its mean. Is it mean for a woman to not have sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 10:07 PM
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how is this a real question? OPs question or the retarded straw man question you twisted it into?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 10:00 PM
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I suspect they are promoting people based on adherence to ideological beliefs. Oh I don't doubt it, but if your endeavor fails does it matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 07:36 PM
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I wouldn't take it too seriously. Most successful entities base their decisions on performance and success. It's a relatively new paradigm to suggest that women and people of color were simply denied opportunity and therefore merit be damned, we are just going to put women and people of color in charge now. I mean pretty much every business that has embraced this is struggling. There's plenty of talented women and people of color, they will do fine in a meritocracy, but promoting random people b…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 07:17 PM
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Well this is why I say we live in a matriarchy. Women are in the protected class so all of their behavior is supported and justified. Men are in the disposable class and anything they do that a woman thinks is wrong is because he's useless and a bad person.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 01:28 PM
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This is only true for women in their 20s. The dynamic changes around your 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 06:42 AM
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I think when you meet an attractive woman there's usually a surprise that they are even single. Most single women are single because of major faults. So the narrative that they just got unlucky and were abused by their last horrible boyfriend gives a semi blue pill plausible explanation as to why they are where they are. So your typical blue pill response is to think you maybe have a good woman who just needs to find the right guy. I don't think it's about fixing someone as much as you are surro…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 06:24 AM
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We essentially live in a matriarchy with women protected and given preferential treatment in nearly every interaction, they won't admit that and spend all their time pretending to be oppressed by a patriarchy. If you think they won't admit that you think they will just come clean and admit they are more looks conscious then men are?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 06:19 AM
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I'm sorry, I only converse with those who are interested in talking to people who's life experience includes RP content.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 01:16 AM
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To highlight your point, just as women think 80% of women are trash, I'd turn that around and suggest a similar number of women are trash. Men really are fighting for that quality 20% of women, but most men aren't taught this. They are taught that being themselves is the best strategy and for someone blessed with good looks, good social skills and access to resources, being themselves probably is a simple strategy that works. For everyone else you need to work on yourself to have a chance with a…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 01:10 AM
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I dare say you are picking the non shocking elements of RP and pretending that people find those shocking. Is it possible your ignorance on the topic is the source of your confusion?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 01:06 AM
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Well if that's the case I would politely suggest your refrain from commenting on posts flared with RP. You do have a choice in doing this you realize? Unless your definition of a dialog more closely resembles a monologue.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 01:05 AM
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Quite the opposite, blue pilled men are taught that woman focus on more than looks, that being kind, showing up for her, not focusing on your attraction for her, setting that aside and being a friend is the best approach. RP calls this out as bullshit and is just blue pill beta conditioning. I think many men are shocked to realize that women are quite a bit more shallow when it comes to looks then men. Men actually find over half of women to be at least somewhat attractive. Women are more like 5…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 10:44 PM
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It's not deceptive, in some ways it reveals how insecure a woman is.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 12:50 PM
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They do if you are looking at household income. Basically they no longer have the man's income. Which should have been obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 10:02 PM
1

100%
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 09:31 PM
3

I think the point is, after you've worked on yourself your attraction goes up to women of all ages. I'm don't think at 35 I was looking to date a 20 year old woman. I mean I'd hook up with one at a wedding or something, but to date, mid to late 20s would be have been better. When I was 38 I started dating a 27 year old and that became my mostly long term partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 07:21 PM
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I think that's true for women, men usually front the bill for divorce so they actually skin in the game preventing them from leaving. We built a system where women can leave and for men it is not so easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 07:12 PM
1

My anecdotal evidence is that women are never truly happy. It is just their chemical makeup. They are programmed to worry about things. I mean look at the divorce rate among lesbian couples. Women are typically unhappy and typically think others are to blame for their unhappiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 07:11 PM
0

So yes to your question, but I had always seen phrases like “my ex(es) were abusive” as a complete failure to take any accountability.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 12:58 PM
1

Let boys compete and strive to be the best. Stop trying to make everyone a winner.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 02:47 AM
4

We aren't please enlighten us.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 02:46 AM
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I think the key is keep feminism away from boys. Let boys be boys and stop telling them to hold back so women and girls can feel like they are more. The girls will be fine. Boys should focus on being boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 12:57 AM
1

She cannot secure chad because her SMV is higher than her RMV, thats why she's chasing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 11:30 PM
11

I just saw it as great clarifying explanation for why women are the way they are. It also makes the idea of 'just be yourself' totally silly (unless your natural self happens to align with women's attractions standards). I previously had just thought 'most women are mean and complicated' and it was quite a relief to realize 'no they are just disappointingly shallow and most of the seeming complexity stems from their juggling multiple options' and if you can fit the script of what they are lookin…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 02:32 PM
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It's not a matter of whether it is wrong or right, it's simply something men should be aware of and learn to navigate. It's not your job (and it would fail miserably) to try to get women to change. It simply is the playing field a man must traverse. RP points out that you can get the shitty deal or you can get the good deal and it encourages you to strive for getting the good deal. Prior to RP many men weren't aware there was an option other than the shitty deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 02:18 PM
1

You can have any standards you want, though I'd suggest the standards fall within the range of what you could actually attract. As an example, I could say my standard is to only date Victoria Secret models, however I do not have the looks, wealth, or status to attract a Victoria Secret model so this would be a pretty silly standard for me to demand.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 02:05 PM
3

You: Women are the selectors, and they consistently choose men who see them only as sex objects. Me: Their value is purely casual dating. Are we not saying the same thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 01:48 PM
2

I think the area of self improvement for you might just be in your outlook on life.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 04:25 AM
2

I think it would work more like this. A family promises their daughter as part of an agreement with a powerful tribe to secure peace and prosperity for her family. Some older dude with wealth. She is obliged to have a son with said guy. Then while this old man is off finding new wives and doing rich guy stuff she starts to bang some young attractive guard. A man she presumably finds physically attractive. She's secured resources for her children she's found an alpha to fuck. There's a reason why…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 04:22 AM
1

There's plenty of objectively physically attractive women in their mid to late 30s who can't seem to find a man for a relationship. They perceive it as a shortage of quality men. RP would view it differently, they have low relationship value so the quality men don't want to have relationships with them. They only have their lingering sexual market value, so their offers are primarily for situationships and casual dating, and those men don't date them exclusively. Which they don't want.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 04:18 AM
2

Why would he bother coming back if he's treated like a king in the East?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 04:16 AM
1

I think the key point is that there's sexual market value and relationship market value. A woman's sexual market value is almost always higher than her relationship market value. Having men court them for sex is not the same as a committed relationship. A combination of unrealistic standards an low relationship value has many women struggling to find guys that they deem worthy of dating. They just don't see that men don't see them worthy of dating either. Their value is purely casual dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 04:15 AM
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I agree. I think that's where blackpill comes from. Let's say hypothetically you can move up maybe 2 points in attractiveness. If you're a 5 you can get to a 7, and that likely is a material change in dating options (approaching chadlite), but if you are a 3 moving to say a 5 well that may have no tangible change in your experience at all due to women treating like 80% of men as non existent. In that case a more drastic move may be required. For example for a man 5'8" below maybe considering mov…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 04:10 AM
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In the past a woman's social/community circle just wasn't that big, so she was hypergamous within the community she had access to. That only becomes settling when women can expand their dating to men that live miles away. In my 30s I had plenty of women willing to get on a plane and fly to come visit me because they liked me more than the guys in their area.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 01:31 AM
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I think a lot of women just become femcels (woman unable to secure long term committed relationships) because they choose to pursue a lifestyle that doesn't attract top quality men. I use the term femcels because they are sort of the equivalent of incels, only they could get sex, they just can't secure relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 01:29 AM
4

Nah, men have a spreading the seed mating strategy. This boils down to a single woman if he cannot successfully and consistently get multiple women. The dual mating strategy of women is that they seek reproductive mating using physical traits and seek longer term resource dating with longer term mates and often due both at the same time. The so called 'We are looking for 10s or 7s with money'.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 01:28 AM
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I don't think the message is 'It doesn't matter'. I think the message is, you can only control what you can control, so focusing on things you can't control doesn't matter. Focus on being the most kick ass version of yourself you can be. Being physically fit, being competent, having the ability to read peoples body language and keep things enjoyable during conversation, having good physical hygiene alone with good grooming, are all areas that are simply worth improving for just you yourself, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 12:58 AM
2

Okay, thanks for the data point.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 12:48 AM
1

Sorry, I meant unhinged and creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 12:47 AM
3

Well said.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 11:13 PM
4

Total 4 thing to say /s
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 11:12 PM
2

I don't know any red pill person advocating for children and sub 18 year olds. I think the RP message is date as young as you can realistically attract. Most 50 year old men have zero shot of attracting an 18 year old. That's where the divide your age in half and add 7 formulate comes from. A 50 year old might have a shot with a 32 year old woman on the younger end. But that would depend on the 50 year old and the 32 year old. In most cases you're talking about a 5-10 year range. But of course, …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 10:49 PM
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Then I get called a misandrist for saying most men hate most women. That's most likely due to your statement being a misandrist opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 10:45 PM
0

You seem kinda of creepy honestly. The way you project on to people negative feelings that aren't accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 10:43 PM
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Physical attraction isn't taught. Seeing an attractive person is a chemically driven feeling to a survey of the persons biological fitness for reproduction. Clear skin, symmetric body, glossy hair, body shape. It all bubbles to a nearly instantaneous verdict of suitability for reproduction. That's what beauty is. A female monarch butterfly won't mate with a male butterfly that's pattern is 1/64th out of perfect symmetry. He's too ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 10:42 PM
1

And which one was that...?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 10:40 PM
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You're reading too much into it. The feminist matriarchy is constantly trying to tell me to pony up and marry these boss babe women in their late 30s. They think we just need to learn to find them attractive. The point of all this is simply that woman are physically more desirable in their late teens and early 20s. Heck younger men are physically more desirable in their 20s. The only difference with men is that other attributes of attraction can accumulate into your 30s and even 40s if a man is …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 10:34 PM
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You talk too much about grass. Btw, Attachment styles are bullshit pseudo intellectual nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 05:32 PM
2

So first your entire list is subjective. So it immediately tells me or any guy, that you are going to complain a lot. There's no way for me to know if I qualify for anything on your list but I'm sure you'll tell me. Some of the words on your list fall under the category of what I'd call coded. Meaning they are a placeholder for many things. Let's take 'Ambitious'. Most people that know me would consider me ambitious. I worked in tech, bought my first home at 32, started my own business and have …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 05:31 PM
1

Btw, if you want the real answer as to why your list is a major red flag and ridiculous I'm happy to help.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 05:02 PM
3

Keep away from the weed.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 05:00 PM
1

Well if it makes you feel any better a few days a month I drop my standards and I'll get with the hottest woman I can find. But then I enter a phase of 3-5 days where I regret this and get upset at the woman for lying to me. But I still don't understand why you aren't just trying harder to meet my minimum standards. It's clear women are the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 03:04 PM
2

It also seems that your requirements are unreasonable I'm just seeking the bare minimum. You women need to try harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 02:32 PM
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The best narrative I've heard explain this is that due to women's comparatively physical frailty they rely heavily on group protection. So if they encounter someone who doesn't seem to like them they instinctively see this as a threat to their safety as they see not being liked as a risk that they won't be protected. So their response is to try very hard to be liked. Once they think you like them they can revert to their opinion of you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 02:25 PM
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Of course it's an assumption. Do you make over $700k annually? If not I don't consider you ambitious. Do you weigh under 125 lbs? If not I don't consider you 'not unhealthy'. If you don't own a personal home and a vacation home then I don't consider you 'having your shit together'. So do you meet those requirements?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 02:22 PM
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A billionaire will get all of those things, are you kidding me?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 12:46 PM
1

Totally agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 11:55 AM
1

Oh I didn't even bother with the list it's so silly. How many of these items do you meet? Do you weigh less than 125 lbs?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 11:54 AM
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I think that a billionaire's bare minimum is going to include many if not every positive trait on top of good looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 11:53 AM
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She just wrote a checklist of 41 points a man must have that she herself doesn't meet a single one of the items on that list.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 11:46 AM
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Not to mention to even reach those 41 bare minimums you need to be tall, fit, attractive, and wealthy without being a workaholic. Your basic billionaire, ex pro athlete, who just got out of jail 6 months ago type.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 11:44 AM
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It didn't even occur to me to bother reading the list. I assumed that was the joke and thought 'good one'.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 11:42 AM
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Another item to add to her list Must have iPhone.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 11:41 AM
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lol, you forgot the /s at the end. Seriously though, there are women like this and they are the undatable ones. Men the reason it is so critical to work on yourself is so that you can avoid women like OP is pretending to be. I dated a lot (easily into triple digits) and this happens to women who over date. They usually are objectively attractive and at first you think you've lucked out finding such an attractive single woman, then you realize why. She's created a greatest hits list of expectatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 11:40 AM
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How women act around you depends entirely on how they perceive your value. If women don't find you attractive they ignore you, are stand offish, and otherwise try to pretend you don't exist. If a woman respects or is attracted to you she goes out of her way to be charming. From what you are describing, it just sounds like these are women who don't value you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 11:32 AM
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I think you've given yourself away by saying 'seen'. So you mostly just watch youtube content. Trying reading a book.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 01:40 AM
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You've been lied to. It's easier for you to dismiss RP by labeling it as grifting than to engage with the cold hard truths it exposes. I agree some people go black pill and aren't constructive, but that's not everyone for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 11:08 PM
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I'm curious why you say that. I see RP advice as improve everywhere. For example, if shy join clubs like toast masters to learn to speak in public. If poor hygiene and grooming focus on these areas, use mannequins at the mall to see how outfits are put together. RP is more about owning your faults and not expecting anyone else to accept you or fix them for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 11:05 PM
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So on dating apps it's common for women to say 6' or taller only. Have you tried putting in your profile as a man women 125 lbs or under? Even if women match with you if they see that will say 'Oh just saw your comment on weight, you sound disgusting'. Thats an example of how it's policed. Same for any standard a man might have that would require a woman to not be available to meet new guys (going with single girlfriends to clubs, traveling abroad alone, etc). Women immediately label something l…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 10:17 PM
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Because women's sexual market value is by-and-large higher than their relationship value. So your average woman can enter into a sexual relationship quite easily with a large percentage of men. That doesn't change their relationship value however and so if they are picking men substantially more attractive than them for a sexual relationship they are choosing to be with a guy who has zero interest in having a relationship with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 10:01 PM
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Society pushes the idea that having any standards or imposing any boundaries from a man is toxic.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 09:51 PM
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I'd agree that's probably true.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 09:50 PM
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Wait until you get a house.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 01:16 PM
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Most men aren't attracted to 30 year old career women though, so I think he's talking about the women most men want to date. The career woman path leads to unmarried women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 01:13 PM
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I think this is spot on. The one caveat I'd say though is that for most men, it's very hard to have a lot of money in your early 20s. Some exceptions. Athletes, entertainers. That's obviously a small percentage of people, but they clearly kill it with the ladies. So part of the reason is that in most cases, money of 20 year olds just isn't enough to make a difference, but if they had the money, it likely would.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 01:07 PM
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They just get worn down by 1,000 cuts. Hen pecked daily.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 05:43 PM
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It doesn't matter if they know or what they say they respond to. It only matters what they actually respond to. So don't try to figure it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 02:08 PM
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Being nice is icing on the cake, it isn't a primary attractor. If you want to be nice, be nice, but it won't land you your best possible dating option. The beauty of RP is that it exposes the way women date. Are you the guy who gets her giddy, she bites her lip when she sees you, or are you a guy who has resources she knows she will have to play the long game to get you to pony up and contribute. A life of her always seeming to be unhappy and frustrated. Once you realize this you realize which t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 02:01 PM
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That's not a red pill belief and there's 4B women on this planet, so I will bid OP a good day and find a more partnership oriented woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 01:48 PM
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What did you mean when you wrote that women confuse the courtship experience for a dating experience? Courting is the phase where a man demonstrates his capacity as a provider. Taking her out, planning things, basically he's trying to impress her to want to keep getting to know him. That's very different than dating. When you're dating (or married) life is a lot more about you have your life goals, I have my life goals and we have shared life goals we work on together as part of our lives. It's …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 05:55 PM
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I think by seeing how little most women bring to the table, you really appreciate a woman who has developed herself and actually does want to bring her effort and energy to the table. You appreciate quality more.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 05:47 PM
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I think you hit the nail on the head. RP makes you realize how much time you've wasted trying to play in to the matriarchy and how it tells men they are the problem, if not for men women would be succeeding. Basically that everything is a man's fault and all good things come from women. Once you see the BS for what it is, you can just appreciate people for who they are. There's plenty of quality women and having quality people in your life is great. There's also tons of abusive, narcissistic, en…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 05:46 PM
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Is he allowed to change his mind? Maybe the experience wasn't what he was hoping for. Why do you assume he was lying. It's more likely he didn't think the juice was worth the squeeze.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 05:37 PM
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I don't think it's unreasonable for a woman to think that a man who takes them on multiple dates is courting them. That's exactly what she should conclude. She should then ask herself, assuming she's interested and likes what the guy has shown so far what can I now do to show him that I'm more than just a woman who shows up? A lot of women say things like 'they only put out effort in the beginning' missing the point that a man slowly reverts to the energy and effort he's receiving back. The vast…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 05:31 PM
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Can you give an example? Such as a guy saying he's looking to settle down and get married and that he's dating with intentions, only to realize a woman offers nothing other than showing up so he moves on, then she blames him, saying he lied. Do you mean that sort of example?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 05:28 PM
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He's right that most women lack relationship game. They confuse the courtship phase of dating for a relationship, so they just bounce from courtship to courtship every few months thinking that the courtship experience is a dating experience. Then they wonder why the guy loses interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 04:02 PM
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I think we are saying the same thing. I'm just prepending relationship time, to reach a suitable investment time to want to start having kids. If you're 30 and just starting a relationship and you saw yourself having more than one kid, starting a relationship at 30, courtship, vetting, engagement, wedding, first child, second child, you are very rushed to get all that done before 35. That's why you start with a woman under 30. You are just looking at it from the 'can she have a single baby today…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 05:23 AM
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Women past 30 have less than 10% of their eggs left. Yes they are fertile but starting the courtship process, vetting, an engagement, marriage. You are running out of time. The bigger problems start at 35+.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 04:00 AM
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In the west it's clearly a matriarchy. Taxes are raised primarily from men so that the Government can implement services that primarily benefit women. Women are legally protected in practice more than men, women are sentenced less, crimes like SA committed by women even against minors are regularly ignored. In states like California laws force companies to put women with less experience in positions that they haven't earned on boards. Women are the default victors of divorce and child custody. W…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 10:42 PM
1

Absolutely.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 04:29 AM
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The good ones are taken early, so it's in men's best interest to look to date the good ones who haven't been taken off the market yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 02:58 AM
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That's natural. Men of all ages have an instinctive attraction to fertile women. It's basically what beauty is. Think of beauty as an instinctive assessment of health and fitness for reproduction. That's what you are seeing and chemically reacting to when you see a beautiful young woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 02:57 AM
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I agree most people won't put in the effort. Historically speaking 40% of men never reproduce. As women have gained more choice that number is increasing. Most men won't compete to reproduce.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 02:55 AM
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It's not that men want submissive women, we just want agreeable women. Is this an RP question or a BP question? The RP answer is that women are just built to be concerned about where things are heading. In some women this can manifest as a sort of bottomless pit of unhappiness. Stay away from those women, but even your average woman is just going to be asking 'Is this it?', 'Did I make the right choice?', 'Should I have gone with that other guy?' type of questions. It's just something RP believe…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 12:36 AM
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No, the average guy works on himself to have desirable traits then ignores the women his age and dates younger more attractive women. You don't wait for and settle for the women your age.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 12:05 AM
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I think that's why RP pushes improvements in many areas, physically, socially, career wise. Once you understand what women respond to then you can go about building yourself up in those areas.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 12:03 AM
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I mean I think women exit the romantic market much earlier than men. Many shutting down the shop in their 40s. Certainly not all, but a lot of women set such unrealistic standards for men, standards that far exceed what they can attract that they just accept 'I'm not settling'. Call them femcells if you want, they are just undateable.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 09:15 PM
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I think this is your perception. I've never seen RP policing anyone. It mostly just gives the life advice 'Work on being the best version of yourself'. With fitness being one of those things. If you think RP would look down on a swimmers body, or a triathlete, I think you've misunderstood what being in shape is all about. I don't even personally think a bodybuilder is even the most ideal asthetic, but the truth is, for the average person doing any kind of exercise is a fine way to improve appear…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 05:20 PM
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It's a sad lesson when you realize that mostly people aren't playing games, they simply just don't care that much. It's pretty common for younger women to have many men in their orbit and they usually only pay attention to the most appealing option they have the attention of in that moment. Then when that option ignores them they move down their list to the next guy. This lands as them being interested, then disappearing, then reappearing, then saying they want to hang out, then being unreachabl…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 12:54 PM
0

There's no question women are the way they are because men reward it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 01:07 PM
0

I think a whole lot of these kids claiming to be trans because it's trendy are going to realize that they are straight in a few years.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 04:09 AM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Believe_women
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 03:40 AM
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I think like a lot of things it starts of with a strong resonating message that many people can get behind. Then the people who like to look down on others or who like to tell others how to live show up and start to use it for their own agenda.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 03:40 AM
2

I think in that situation that would be fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 03:37 AM
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It spawned the 'believe all women' movement.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 03:34 AM
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I suppose that's better than alternative with it being a one sided open relationship without the dude knowing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 03:32 AM
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It's not important to critique what women want, it's more important to understand what women want and to cultivate those authentic attributes that you possess that can be developed into the type of things women want. Or more specifically the type of things that the women that you want, happen to want from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 12:51 AM
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Because it's taking a woman's entitled feelings and projecting the cause of those feelings on the man. Men don't talk about bang maids. Men don't want bang maids. Men want partners, best friends, and the love of their life. Women who use terms like bang maids are using it as a shaming tactic to imply that their failures to show up with even bare minimum relationship effort reflects poorly on the man. I mean think how little women bring to relationships in general, and now lower the bar even furt…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 12:33 AM
1

I agree, but I'll just say for my generation, with blue pill teachings, men were taught to go all in and add their spouses names to the title of their home, cars. Anything less than this was shamed as him being toxic and controlling. A friend of mine bought his home, then got married and did what I described, added his wife to title as a sign that he was in for the long haul. She had an affair and divorced him in less than two years, then held the house over his head to make him sign a quit clai…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 12:22 AM
1

They're even an award for being a bad partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 12:16 AM
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lol, okay, well then is telling a man he wants a bang maid immoral?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 12:08 AM
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Female arousal is complicated. Women use their sexual attrativeness to secure a mate. The problem with modern day marriage is that the contract is so one sided women lose any risk of loss from divorce. There's no pressure to keep their man and, at least, that component of their arousal is missing. If other components of their arousal are also missing then it's a dead bedroom.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 12:06 AM
2

Women leave marriages because family law lavishes them with financial incentives to do so. If men had those incentives they would leave too.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 02:22 AM
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Of course it is. When sexual needs are being met sex is maybe 30% of a good relationship. When sexual needs are ignored it's 90% of the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 02:21 AM
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But our family courts system still believes people are owed parting gifts from a relationship that they didn't bring in with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 02:20 AM
1

In the majority of cases men aren't the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 11:48 PM
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because she doesn't want you to treat her like garbage. When did I say anything about treating anyone like garbage. Those are your words. Men don't request bangmaids. bangmaid is a derrogatory term women use to complain about husbands who want sex and want them to contribute to the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 11:48 PM
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Well he can't leave due to family law handcuffing him and not the wife. But if he did leave, it more than likely would be for a better option. A girlfriend interested in him and who also contributed to the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 09:51 PM
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I guaranfuckingtee she wants it from a competent, independent man. In that case I feel even more sorry for her husband. She blames him, describes him as only wanting a bang maid and she's off with some independent man while the husband toils away for the family.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 09:24 PM
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imagine thinking a woman doesn't want sex because she doesn't want you to treat her like garbage. I guess I have to, because no one said that. I literally have to imagine it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 09:22 PM
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There isn’t always a blatant conversation That's because men aren't saying this. The term is a term women came up with to describe how they feel. We want more from life we don't want to be bangmaids. No man is saying he wants a bangmaid of his very own. It's a term women made up to insult the idea of being a SAHW.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 07:38 PM
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I would but I live in the real world.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 07:35 PM
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You should find an example from some forum somewhere and share it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 07:34 PM
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It's really not all that complicated when you understand gendered morality. If we are talking about a woman she is always right, always the victim and whatever she wants to do she should do. If we are talking about a man, he's probably lying, he needs to tough it out or get therapy, it's probably his fault. Once you understand who is right and who is the man it's easy to see how to answer questions like this and many others.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 07:33 PM
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Women like to say they are the prize, but in reality women are the fisherman trying to land the best man they can. So ultimately women are competing over the best men and that's why they are always giving such horrible advice to each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 04:52 PM
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All he cares about is his sexual fulfillment and that his woman waits on him hand and foot. And what percentage of men in the last 50 years have experienced anything remotely close to this? Are you going to sit there with a straight face and pretend women wait on their husbands hand and foot? Most men are hoping to have a wife who is positive and contributes to an enjoyable relationship and most men are dissapointed. A man who wants a bangmaid doesn’t want love he wants a random woman to fulfill…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 04:45 PM
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I think it's true that men expect if they are going to be monogamous that they will in fact have a willing sexual partner and I think it's true that if a woman doesn't work there will be an expectation she contribute to the relationship in some form, but I hardly think that is ALL men are looking for. Maybe some weirdo, but most men want a best friend in their partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 04:20 PM
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Don't forget they don't want any emotional labor either. So it's no sex, no tangible contributions and no emotional effort. If you want any of those you are asking for apparently a slave of some sort.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 04:11 PM
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Sounds like a made up boogey man. Men are the real romantics in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 04:06 PM
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When someone talks about not wanting to be a bangmaid you've learned two things. One she has no interest in sex with you and two she has no interest in being expected to contribute in a tangible way to the relationship. Just like over half of men aren't datable, if we are being honest over half of women aren't relationship material. A woman talking about not wanting to be a bangmaid isn't relationship material. Find a woman who values intimacy and who takes pride in being an equal contributer in…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 04:05 PM
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I think a lot of single mother situations stem from two situations. A woman is dating a loser and everyone tells her he's a loser, and she decides to get pregnant which she believes will make him step up only to find that, just like everyone told her, he bails. A woman is dating a guy who won't commit to her, she is just so into him but so are other women, she gets pregnant to force his hand but the man accepts the kid but continues to reject the mother, the mother then does everything she can t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 01:12 PM
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For men this is a strange feeling, but this sort of thought policing (thot policing?) as how woman's groups suppress descent. They just label something undesirable or inconvenient to their view point as hateful and then ban it on those grounds.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 01:07 PM
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Slut shaming is primarily something women do to each other. Men usually enjoy sluts, they just don't marry them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 03:12 AM
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Just see it for what it is. Shame is the primary tool women use to coerce behavior out of men. Saying things like 'A Real Man would <some thing that would suit her in that exact moment>', or your behavior is 'creepy' which is a projection of her feelings and to her attributing those feelings to being caused by a man's behavior. Once you hear the shaming language you have to stop and make a decision about whether you've actually done something wrong, or if she's just trying to make you do somethi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 03:04 AM
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Saying men are afraid of commitment is sort of like saying women don't like sex. If you think a woman doesn't like sex, it's more than likely she isn't sexually attracted to you. If you think a man doesn't want commitment it is more than likely you don't meet his requirements for being a partner. Because women are the gatekeepers to sex, women get used to deciding when sex starts in a relationship. Men have to learn game to impress a woman enough that she will sleep with him. The part many women…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 03:00 AM
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Attraction from women is pretty straight forward. The raw physical attraction to a man, largely based on his appearance. A contextual attraction based on how he performs and is recognized by his peers. This is someone in charge at work, or greatly respected at work. Basically someone who's risen to the top of a dominance hierarchy of some sort. If she likes dancing could be a guy who's the best at dancing in a group. Could be scientist, whatever dominance hierarchy she's around. Rational thought…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 01:21 AM
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So have you tried telling your girlfriend that you and your guy friends are going to ladies night and will be buying some girls drinks, but don't worry, just having fun? Try it, see how she perceives it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 05:11 PM
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It's not until it is. The dating roles are what they are because they allow women to have plausible deniability. I remember in college there was this woman, drama major, very attractive. She used to flirt with me all the time, if I hadn't seen her for awhile she'd pretend to have her feelings hurt, 'How come you never come by?', etc. One time I stopped by her dorm and her neighbor told me she was out with her boyfriend. They had been dating all semester. Then the neighbor was like 'I don't know …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 02:39 PM
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It's impossible for a woman to leave the playing pitch so to speak. Women are approached everywhere. The store, etc. This isn't their fault of course. But for women inclined to use plausible deniability, girls night out, girls trips, accepting free drinks while out. Essentially women can participate in courting by doing nothing or doing something that can be dismissed as unintentional.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 01:31 PM
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Men desire to date younger women because youth and fertility are driving factors in attractiveness in women. Personality is more or less complete by age 25. I think generally speaking men date as young as they are capable of attracting. On the flip side success and experience benefit a man's attractiveness to women in a way it doesn't in reverse. A lot of it will depend on what kind of shape the man is in. For me I've always been a gym rat, so I'm in better shape than probably 90% of people. I'm…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 05:46 AM
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All the data points to women. Men are taught to have incredibly low expectations for women which means most women are able to meet those expectations much of the time. Women have unrealistic expectations based on Disney, fantasy novels and rom coms so all men will for short of them at least some of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 12:38 AM
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Women are the only gender with the right to decide if they become a parent. Heck women are the only gender that gets to decide if a man becomes a parent, even if that man isn't the biological father of the baby. Women can chose to not be a parent both with abortion and with safe harbor drop off laws where they hand over a baby with no questions asked. Men have none of these rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 05:32 AM
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I mean you could just google it, it's not like this is secret information. https://medium.com/the-knowledge-of-freedom/single-father-households-do-vastly-better-than-single-mother-heres-the-real-reason-why-8a7fd7c5611d#:~:text=For%20example%2C%20studies%20have%20found,14%20times%20more%20likely%20to
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 02:46 AM
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I think at this point misogyny is primarily shaming language feminists use to counter an argument that is inconvenient. Take the clear poor outcomes the children of single mother's have vs the outcomes of children of single fathers. Bringing this up is considered misogyny. So as you said, it's misandrists using it as weapon to make regular people stop wanting to point these things out.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 02:31 AM
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That they need to get better standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 01:07 AM
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No, some women you like even more after.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 12:53 AM
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I never thought of it as something to repress. More that it was better to just get the sex out of the way so I'd know.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 12:43 AM
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Losing your virginity sounds like a rough career. I mean there's got to be a limit on how many times you can lose it before it's not fun and novel anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 12:42 AM
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I've read the CDC data so not really. You literally responded to the CDC data with 'I leave more marks when I'm fighting of strangulation' as if this would in any way nullify the CDC's data. I double checked the CDC report, it turns out, wasn't just talking about you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 12:38 AM
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Post Nut clarity is a thing. But I've never found it to be something that requires being mean to a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 12:32 AM
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Maybe you should try to be less violent and pick men who aren't violent.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 12:24 AM
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Exactly. Women won't like 90% of guys who come through their DMs, but maybe 5%-10% of them they will allow things to progress. Monkey branching is a fundamentally cheating based approach to dating. But it's explained away as 'Well you know me I wasn't looking for anything, I was in a committed relationship, but then I started asking myself why is this new guy treating me better than my boyfriend and I thought (thot) it wasn't me that left the relationship it feels like my boyfriend has left me a…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 11:15 PM
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Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 11:06 PM
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RedPill has a belief, and I agree with it, that young woman use a combination of shaming and victimization to essentially allow themselves to be always in the dating market. This can include things such as girls night out and having men buying them drinks, to guy friends they keep in their circle. I'll give an example of how this plays out. Long before I had ever learned of redpill, I lived with a woman in college (just friends). She had a boyfriend for most of one school year. 7 months. She pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 07:57 PM
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I think just level the playing field on laws that prop up or create success of unearned outcomes. An example. In the west, women have the right to make someone a parent. What I mean by that is that a woman can have a baby, and in states with safe haven laws she leave that baby in a hospital no questions asked and can abandon her responsibilities as a mother. She can do this without consulting the father. She doesn't have to be a mother if she doesn't wish to. If a woman is pregnant, in most stat…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 06:29 PM
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Women can and will have whatever strategy they want. Men can't control what women do. We can only choose our own strategy. RP tells you with the same woman, depending on how you interact with her you can either get the bluepilled experience of woman who complains all the time, is never happy and who loses her sex drive the night after the wedding. The RP says you can chose to relate to that same woman differently and have her feel and act like she chose wisely and who desires you. Why wouldn't y…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 02:40 PM
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Any study that asks people if they cheat won't be accurate. It's not something that lends itself to self reporting.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 06:08 AM
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It is true that RP has it's roots in PUA but it wasn't the picking up women that was where the interesting parts of RP came from. As you said, that had been around for years. It was more in the forums where the men would fail miserably with women that they would compare notes and men started to map out female dating strategy. It was with those insights that they began to understand why PUA worked, which I'm not sure was well understood before. Understanding that some women will divide men into d…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 06:07 AM
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Why do men get to dedicate their lives to a career they’re passionate about and women have to stay home and cut apple slices? Women can do whatever they want. No one is telling them what to do. The consequence of being less attractive to men is that you likely won't get married and find a long term partner. That is either a good or bad thing depending on your perspective. For some women that may be a benefit not a problem. It's up to each individual to determine if the juice is worth the squeeze…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 05:57 AM
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It's true that after years of denigrating stay at home mothers, more recent feminism has tried to embrace it. And it's one thing to say women have the right to choose. They clearly do. I mean people have all sorts of life choices, like doing drugs and committing petty theft if they want to. Some choices are just better than others. What the female career approach doesn't warn women is that it takes a solid 10 to maybe 15 years to establish your career. It doesn't happen over night. For women the…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 01:34 AM
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Honestly that doesn't even sound liked a dumbed down version of RP. It sounds like a blue pill explanation of fuckbois.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 01:26 AM
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No question it's been co-opted for profit and the message twisted. The original message to men was you need to improve yourself, no one will help you. Look to improve, the message received seems to be to blame women. So a complete 180 from being accountable to blaming others.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 01:24 AM
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I have no idea what any of that means.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 01:22 AM
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A woman's greatest strength is the perception that she is defenseless.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 01:21 AM
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Men give up custody because they are told they have no chance of winning, so why pay the lawyers fees (often for both parties) to fight a losing fight? So you are misunderstanding the data. They don't try because they won't win. Why is it a societal priority to get girls into 'male dominated' fields more than getting boys to study for those fields? Why is the bias needed at all? Men have better outcomes because their parenting style puts more emphasis on self reliance, pushing their kids to take…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 01:20 AM
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Which gender pays more in child support. (men) Which gender gets custody more often and gets it essentially by default. (women) Which gender has more scholarship opportunities for college? (women) Which gender is granted more loans for college (women) Which gender has more gender specific protections in the work place? (women) What gender receives the bulk of wellfare and supplemental nutrition support? (women) Despite all this which gender has better outcomes when functioning as a single parent…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 08:36 PM
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I see it as, woman are going to push for whatever they want (and they have every right to), you as a man also have the right to chose women who benefit you. So as an example, a woman seeking a high level career is her choice and you can wish her success, but maybe her doing so just makes her a less desirable partner in terms of a partnership for raising a child with (from a man's perspective). So the feminists narrative is that all women should make their own money so as to never be dependent on…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 08:27 PM
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That's not what RP says at all. I'm curious why you think that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 08:09 PM
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I don't think that's the case. Most of the beliefs from redpill weren't possibly prior to roughly 2000 when the online forums allowed men to share stories regarding women's behavior in a way never before in human history.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 08:08 PM
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The roots of the manosphere, as far as I know, go back to an online forum (I think so-suave?). Basically with the birth of the Internet, men around the world were able to compare notes for the first time in human history. Guys would tell their stories of women behaving badly with a 'you're not going to believe this' tone and men would all echo 'yeah, same thing happened to me' with shocking regularity. And so with this information guys started to figure out what women were actually doing in rela…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 08:07 PM
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We live in a world where the female narrative is the cultural narrative. Call it a matriarchy, call it bias, call it whatever you want. Whether it's in family law, our education system, employment laws, our social safety net, who is believed in abuse cases, etc. Our society leans heavily towards accepting the female narrative. Even the idea of a 'patriarchy' as an explanation for women not being in charge of everything is a female perspective. Take something like the wage gap. Which only exists …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 07:59 PM
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My (female) roomate in college dated a 32 year old man when she was 20. When I was out of college I dated a 19 year old neighbor when I was 27. I think the situation was similar in that you had a young, peak attractive woman who liked the opportunities and doors opened by dating an established guy who could take them out, travel with them, etc. In my case she was my neighbor and as soon as her mom bought a house I was out. I was mostly a very convenient option as she could just knock on my door …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 02:42 PM
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Anyone who has taken the time to read the CDC reports on violence knows that if the police are called on a DV case where one partner was violent to the other, 70% of the time it was the woman hitting the man. The politicized stat is the one that says 95% of extreme violence is committed by men. Which begs the question, what is extreme violence? It's actually hard to find the definition as it wasn't in the CDC report, but from a few articles I found it sounds like it means things like 'broken bon…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 02:35 PM
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The truth that is revealed here is that men without dating options are fucking losers. That is only true if you define winning as having women like you. I know plenty of guys in tech who struggle with women who are financially incredibly successful and live amazing lives. They are only losers in the sense that they have quirky curious personalities typical of Engineers. Conversely, we can deduce that a man with plenty of options is the man that women want. I've known drug dealers who were rollin…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 02:28 PM
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I think this is a human thing and arguably most guys don't care about most girls either. Connecting with people is just difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 02:00 PM
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I'm definitely interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 01:56 PM
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I think the answer is no. Everyone is responsible for their own happiness. Communicating what they need to be happy, working to lead their life in a direction that makes them happy etc. And some people just can't do that. They may try to blame you but all you are responsible for is showing up and doing your part in the relationship. You can't fix broken.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 01:54 PM
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a huge part of a lot of women’s experiences is realizing that certain men don’t care at all about who we are or what we care about. They just care about how hot we are and if they can “have” us. I think everyone wants to be appreciated for their best qualities. Their intelligence, their humor, their commitment to the family, their kindness, etc. I think RedPill really was eye opening to realize that most of those qualities are irrelevant unless you are already attractive to a woman (and probably…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 05:44 AM
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Women can always get sex. Women literally have the monopoly on allowing sex to happen. What women can't control is getting a man to commit. I don't think of those hundred matches that she can necessarily get commitment from any of them. I mean to get that commitment requires game, which most women haven't learned since feminism told them to stop putting in effort. Also, dating apps aren't a good indicator of a man's appeal. There are more men then women and in many cases the man isn't even being…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 04:19 AM
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I think it's more that 30 is around the age that men's dating options finally catch up to women's dating options. Prior to that, men feel like they are playing musical chairs with chairs being women and there's always 20 more guys than there are chairs. After 30 men have enough options that the dynamic changes to where you can actually have some standards. For women, they still have plenty of guys after them, but it's not the top tier guys they want. Hence all there 'Where are the good guys?' so…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 04:10 AM
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But also sometimes it’s not, and it’s just concealing the fact that that man views women as worth his time only if he can sleep with them. So I'm sure on the spectrum of things that can happen, pretty much everything has happened and does happen. But I do think some of this can be cope. As an example, in my case where I liked this girl in HS, I put in tons of boyfriend effort. Presents, taking her on dates, listening to things that were important to her and incorporating those things, etc. When …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 03:34 AM
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I think that's where blackpill came from. Guys who read red pill and realized they had too many chips stacked agains them. I mean if you are a 5 and you work hard you could make yourself a 7. But if you are 2 maybe the most you can do is lift yourself up to be a 4 and a 4 experiences materially a similar life to a 2. So redpill is mostly a game changer for someone who has a lot going for themselves but hasn't quite put together why it hasn't worked for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 03:02 AM
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Friendly, respectful conversation, even if we disagree is always welcome. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 02:56 AM
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So interesting points. So some of those I think equal out to lies women tell. Meaning I don't think those are uniquely male lies. They'd fall (in my mind) under the humans lie category. Such as height, it's similar to heels, or makeup, or weight/body type on dating apps, etc. It's all lies intended to pass peoples hard filters. Age is another one. How many 39 year old men or women have you seen on dating apps, lol. I mean men do it, but women do that sort of stuff too. As for friend zone guys, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 02:56 AM
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I agree, RP is more about understanding the reality so you can try your best to navigate it. It's not some sudden magic potion that will fix everything you are doing wrong. But a lot of what you were doing wrong was from basing your decisions on lies you were fed.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 02:40 AM
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I am.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 12:52 AM
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What memo are you referring to? You want me to lie make people happy?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 12:12 AM
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You think men live in a rigid hierarchy? I think men just in a meritocracy where they are judged by their work and even if you dislike or hate a guy, you respect him if he is accomplished.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 12:12 AM
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Can you give examples of how men lie to women? Genuinely asking.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 12:10 AM
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I'd love to read the research, do you have a link to the full article?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 12:09 AM
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I think the main difference is misandry is tolerated if not encouraged where as misogyny has had it's definition broadened to anyone who doesn't take the most positive female perspective on any subject. For example, take a question such as 'Which gender lies more?' My first response would be lying is a human thing. Everyone lies to make themselves look better, to avoid getting in trouble, to not offend people. Then thinking about it more you realize, woman also need to lie for safety reasons, no…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/24 03:24 PM
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Marriages are happening later in life than ever before in human history. This means women are waiting on the sidelines to see which men emerge as successful and well put together. I think that argument could hold if you married at a young age (under 20) starting with nothing and built something together that it was a joint effort. But swooping in at 30-35 when someone has a career and house it was pretty clearly them doing it on their own and I would guess they were already happy as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/24 03:09 PM
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As men we just learn to accept it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 03:42 PM
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The answer is simple we live in a matriarchy where women get preferential treatment. We are bombarded with messaging that we live in a patriarchy to keep us as far away from realizing this as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 03:42 PM
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Initial sexual attraction is largely innate, men like what they like, women like what they like. You don't need to ask us, just ask yourself how do men interact with you relative to other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 03:40 PM
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I think many women believe very strongly they can manifest what they want. In other words, they are confident that he will bend to their will eventually.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 03:13 PM
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I think it's less about being stupid and more that they look at their options and they choose between hoping for change from something they want vs not being all that thrilled with the alternatives. Often it happens in cycles, a woman gets fed up, finally decides 'fine, I'll go date someone else', finds a lackluster selection of options then sends the 'Hey, you up?' text at 11pm and comes slinking back.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 02:32 PM
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Women generally speaking look to date up, the corollary of that is that most men are forced to date down. What you described is this in action. Men looking as far down the barrel as they can stand then trying to sift through and women aspiring to someone out of their league.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 04:36 PM
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Honestly women use multiple tactics to get what they want. They settle in on whatever technique works the best. I've chosen to only respond to affectionate efforts to get compliance. It doesn't take long for them to figure it out. Basically they can use anger/aggression, crying, seduction, logic. Stay calm and control your emotions. Just tell her you are happy to discuss it when she calms down, which will make her more angry, but eventually she will figure it out. The key is you need comply when…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 10:37 AM
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I working in the online dating space and the entire premise of your question is false. Women swipe on less than 7% of men, men swipe on around 60% of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 10:33 AM
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Okay, actual data, I'll accept actual data. Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 02:33 PM
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In my 20s I never would have considered dating a divorced woman or a woman with kids because there were simply plenty of options. In your 30s you have to start looking at divorced women and single moms because the pickings are slim and the general quality of single people is lower. By your 40s you'd actually avoid someone who never had been married or with kids because it would signal that literally no one wanted them through all that time. So it changes. A 50 year old guy dating a 50 year old w…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 02:31 PM
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I didn't say blue bill generally makes someone stupid, it's case by case. Such as your case.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 02:27 PM
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Generally speaking the good ones are taken 30 (both genders). I'm not saying bad things don't happen to good people because they do, but look at the train wreck that is online dating post 30. There's several reasons it makes sense to look younger. If you are a man who wants kids (plural) you'll have better luck starting with a 20 something than a 35+ year old woman. Plenty of 35+ year old women have kids, particularly with IVF but that costs a lot of money and most only have one kid. So if kids …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 02:15 AM
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I mean the basic advice in Red Pill is to work on yourself in all aspects. Physically get in shape. Find your weaknesses around dress, grooming, hairstyle. Develop your social skills. And focus on being successful in your career are all pretty solid pieces of life advice if I'm being honest. But there's also a blackpill for a reason. If you are a 2 and you raise yourself to a 4 you might not get the results you were hoping for. If you were a 5 and you made yourself a 7 you'd probably see bigger …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 10:23 PM
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I think that's the nature of the redpill. Men who are blue pilled were taught to by kind, polite, work hard and you'll find a good woman to partner with to start a family. When they find out that's bullshit they are understandably shocked that they were lied to their entire lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 10:17 PM
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I think deserve is a word I'm comfortable. I'm not comfortable guaranteeing anyone in the abstract deserves anything. I think marriage as a legal construct is out of step with today's relationships and offers disproportionate risk to higher income earners. Whatever defines the relationship, be that roles or chores is for each couple to sort out as they please.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 10:10 PM
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According to Pew research The share of women outearning their husbands has tripled over the last 50 years, from 5% to 16% of all opposite-sex marriages, according to data from Pew Research Center. So not a 1/3, closer to half that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 08:53 PM
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This sounds oddly specific.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 06:42 PM
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Well SA is a horrible thing and people who perpetrate it should be prosecuted. With that said there's clearly some women who wish to be able to wield and target the power of prosecuting someone as an extensions of their feelings. Such as "I thought he was nice, we wasn't, therefore he was lying, therefore he tricked me, he should be in jail".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 06:38 PM
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I think they go after the 20 year old and that after finding her insufferably unrealistic they just move on to another 20 year old.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 02:25 AM
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You lost me a feminist. Women have more rights today than men do. There's no opportunity denied to women that is offered to men. There once was, but that was a long time ago. Feminism holds that two totally incompatible things are true at the same time. Women are strong, empowered and capable. Women are oppressed, beaten down and given no opportunities. And feminists seemingly pick which of these truths apply as it suits them. If you want to pay for the date pay for the date. If she says she wan…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 02:55 PM
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During puberty girls become much more affected by negative emotions, I'm not sure there's a clear reason why this was beneficial from an evolutionary perspective other than to note their physical weakness relative to men puts them at more risk. This is well studied in psychology. I think as a society we encourage women to trust these feelings and even see this feelings has having an external cause. So, as an example, if a woman feels unattractive she may project the cause of this feeling being h…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 02:28 PM
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I mean I think it's clear we have a crisis with some young men (mostly raised by single woman) who have been taught to fear, ignore, hate, etc their masculine traits. In most cases Toxic Masculinity is a confusingly named term to describe to a man who has had a lack of exposure to positive masculine expression. It would be more accurately described as 'feminized men unable to cope with their drive to be masculine'.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 11:40 PM
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Even worse they self diagnose and then self treat (i.e. don't actually get help) but describe themselves as 'working on it'. It's like a trifecta of I'm not at fault and I'm doing everything I can by doing nothing. With the sole purpose being 'You've been warned don't judge me'.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 10:04 AM
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You're talking about in pictures online? When you meet someone on in person none of that applies accept for makeup. I see plenty of attractive people in real life every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 09:31 AM
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I'd say for it to be a relationship both parties should know what they want and need from each other. You should be willing to support those wants and needs from our partner by giving of yourself as long as it doesn't compromise your dreams and they should be doing the same for you. I think anything less and it isn't much of a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 03:48 PM
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I think so yes. Maybe the only difference is men's careers can be taking off and if they've been doing the work their physical wall hits later, so for the top 20% I think they can do okay. But I still think you are better off pairing late 20s. I mean women wait at the finish line to find winners, so to that extent, early-mid 30s there's more quality women there for those men then vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 06:07 PM
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Men are probably have closer to 5-10 more years, but no question we degrade as well. As some one who started having kids at 40 there's also the issue of just energy, I mean I'll be retirement age when they are all out of the home. It's better to have them young.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 04:31 PM
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So when I was 30 I didn't think that way, but after having lived through it and looking back, yeah it's not ideal for a variety of reasons. A woman's eggs are 90% gone by age 30. Still viable for sure but 35 is the age when birth defects and miscarriages sky rocket. It's tough force a romance, courting, seriously dating, engagement, wedding, and pregnancy into 5 years. If you wanted a multi child family starting post 30 is not a great idea, though clearly not impossible. Women after 30 are 'Left…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 03:17 PM
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I don't think there's any debate over whether if someone is drunk that their mental faculties are limited that their ability to clearly consent is diminished. I think the debate is that what if both parties are drunk? How do you argue that one cannot legally consent while also saying, but this other person bears full responsibility for clearly, soberly and accurate assessing whether the other person was able to consent when they too were drunk? Why is one person's drunk not their fault and the o…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 08:36 AM
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I mean people are crappy on both sides. I would say men and women have a tendency to be crappy at about the same rate. Call out the crappy, not the gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 01:52 AM
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The opposite just can't physically happen to him, so it's a bit redundant. You're skipping the question. She has the right to make someone a parent or not a parent, which includes financial obligation. That's the right she possess and decides for the man. That's the asymmetry. Why is a woman given the right to decide a man's financial obligations without his consent? Because that right is abused by some women. 1/3 of children born to unmarried couples the woman is lying and making a man a financ…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 01:19 AM
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Why does she have a right that he doesn't have? She can decide to terminate the baby, he cannot. She can decide who becomes a parent, he cannot. There's a clear asymmetry. Anyone who supports equal rights can see that women have rights men don't in this area.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 12:59 AM
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That's correct. And informing the woman in a reasonable time so, if she chooses, she can factor that in to her decision. Because currently, if he wants to be a dad and she says no, then she has control. This equals the playing field. We've given a woman an extra right to force a man to become a financially invested parent. It's not a right granted equally. Equal rights. It's the logical conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 08:15 PM
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The obvious solution is to give equal rights to men in women around this. Currently both parties have a choice on having sex and using birth control. Many choose unprotected sex. When a woman becomes pregnant she retains full control of becoming a parent. Currently the man loses any say in becoming a parent. This is unbalanced and should be corrected. 12 weeks for the woman to decide, 12 weeks for the man (from when informed). Paternity tests should be automatic and a negative paternity test sho…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 02:28 PM
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Sounds like you are on track, it can take a decade or so to build yourself up, you're about 5 years in (using HS as a starting point). So keep on the grind with fitness. You can pick activities (like rock climbing) that are very social, so you are getting fit and meeting people, or the gym, whatever suits you. How's your social game? Are you putting yourself out there? Not to try to talk to women but to just be around social people? If you are on your game they will approach you. Any sort of car…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 11:32 AM
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I don't think a RP man gets mad at women for wanting what they want. I think a RP man focuses on being the best version of himself and navigating the reality of the world. If he can reach top 20% then what what women want includes him, if he can't he lives a kick ass life. The men who get mad are the ones who don't want to do the work and make excuses and turn black pill. And maybe that was their ceiling so they are right in feeling hopeless.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 10:33 AM
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As someone who has worked in tech I can safely say that making the money does nothing. Women assess your lifestyle and your generosity. I save aggressively for retirement, saved for a house, don't carry debt. Do a lot of stuff to maintain my house. Women see 'boring'. That's all future payoff stuff, they aren't waiting around for that. However, wearing nicer clothes. Driving a nice car. Taking her to nice places. Those acts get noticed. When you figure it out you realize it's not having the mone…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 09:48 AM
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I mean women should be able to choose what they want. I think we should revisit our education system. Prior to the 1970s we used a much more competitive, winner take all, merit based system that boys thrived in. Women did poorly. After 2nd wave feminism we moved to a group style teaching approach, winners and losers both celebrate, less individual accolades. Awarding based on demographics to spread winning etc. Girls have have excelled in this environment boys have not. I think it's fair to conc…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 03:32 AM
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I think women are by design a bit discontent. It's a survival instinct to constantly ask themselves if they are getting the best they can do. It also means as time go on women, in my experience, tend to become less agreeable and unhappy. Men also tend to sour as they age, but I find it's at least 10-15 years delayed.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 10:40 PM
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"The Marriage Crunch" was based on a study by Harvard and Yale researchers that projected college-educated women had a 20 percent chance of getting married if they were still single at 30, a 5 percent chance at age 35, and just a 2.6 percent chance at age 40. I think your stats are padded because they include women who were married. Thought I'd be happy to read a cited study.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 05:49 AM
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You are right it is rare for a 35+ year old to have their first baby, but people not marrying until that age either adopt, don't want kids, or already have one. Just look at the odds of getting married at that age period. I understand it can happen. But if your plan is to get married at that age, not only are the odds not good, the goods are probably odd.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 02:05 AM
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Those rules won't work for a 30+ year old woman. We aren't talking 65 year olds. By 35 a woman is no longer a viable marriage partner for starting a family. At that point it's for-fun dating and it's no free lunch, the reasons no one offered marriage will be the same reasons your serial date.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 11:00 PM
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Okay, talk to me in 15 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 09:27 PM
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It sounds like advice from a 20 something woman. A group with the most privileged dating status.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 08:22 PM
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Women often confuse ability to get sex with ability to get into relationships. Men are picky about who they will get into a relationship with. Just as picky as women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 07:02 PM
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100%
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 02:40 PM
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That study that showed after 10 sexual partners a woman's future divorce rate skyrockets kind of says it all. Same isn't true for men. Pick your explanation but the data is the data.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 08:57 AM
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Even worse, all of the advice is designed to put all of the decision making and filtering in the hands of the other person. It's basically the equivalent of a woman's list, which is what chronically single women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 08:32 AM
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Who is this advice supposed to benefit?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 08:31 AM
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When the man has more life and relationship experience it becomes easier for the woman to see him as the authority and him to lead. I think this is a fundamental misunderstanding of the appeal of younger women. Younger women are more fertile and subsequently are more horny. They are more aggreeable because in general they are treated nicely. As women age and male interest wanes it's common for women to externalize this as being about the men and not their loss of attractiveness, so they often tu…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 03:00 PM
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Men largely prefilter female friends by potential lays. I mean blue pilled betas do, yes. If one afternoon those girls are down for a threesome after playing Well now you're switching to a Chad situation. I've pulled threesomes and it's a lot of work, women are very picky. Almost to the point of the whole threesome idea is a tease but if the woman is perfect then maybe. So I think you're still imaging scenarios as a beta that won't happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 01:55 AM
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What men do you know focus on being average. I think people tend to focus on the attributes that they posses that are above average. We all have many average aspects to us.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 04:03 PM
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I think you're misunderstanding what average means. There's definitely a cut off point on attractiveness and for women it's roughly top 20% for men roughly top 60%. But that doesn't change the average. Men find far more women attractive on a visceral and biological level than women find men. Also, that attractiveness band for women does not span their lifetime. Women in their 20s overwhelming dominate the attractive range. It drops rapidly for women after 30. Basically women get a head start, bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 03:24 PM
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I don’t believe this is natural. If you crave relationships in the sense of a desire for emotional intimacy with a woman & yearn to be a father & to raise children in a family unit, you are fundamentally not living up to your defining role as a man. If RedPill has taught us anything it's that a smaller percentage of men are for breeding and the rest are disposable. You're just choosing to define 'disposable, worker grunt' as masculine.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 03:16 PM
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Men and women largely don't share common interests and hobbies. When you do find women who enjoy men's hobbies (or vice versa) the friendzone dynamic just doesn't exist, because you actually are friends around common interests. They are easier to deal with than men sometimes, and of course if they are attractive, they are easy on the eyes. So this isn't real friendship talk, what you are describing is lowkey hoping to make woman like you. I have never once looked at a male friend and said 'Boy h…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 03:10 PM
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Just because you are a slim man doesn't mean you deserve a slim women What they deserve is irrelevant. Men like slimmer women, they don't find fat woman attractive. It has nothing to do with them being slim.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 02:07 PM
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I think you mostly just have to put effort into having and maintaining nicer things instead of worrying about showing off. Your clothes don't have to be designer, but pay enough attention they fit well, at least approximate the nicer brands in terms of current fashion and are cleaned, pressed and you look good. There's a big gap between buying name brands and just going tee shirt and sweat pants. You can save a lot of money buying a used car, but keep it clean, in good repair, in many cases a cu…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 02:04 PM
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Well boys raised by single mothers do particularly bad. I think if you isolate the harm caused to a boy by being raised by a single mom the stats look different.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 09:03 AM
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I think evolutionarily men did tasks that required silence. Hunting, hiding from other tribes, sneaking up on other tribes. A lot of very focused high stakes tasks. I also think it's why guys laugh at fart jokes, because nothings worse than trying to be quiet and needing to fart. When men would leave to go hunt a woman's sisterhood emerges where the older females kept the younger females in line. This is social structure that rewards with inclusion and punishes with exclusion and involves a lot …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 07:31 PM
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I think people learn and choose values with how they perceive the world. Then when they don't like the outcome they are getting, instead of questioning their values they blame others. As an example. Let's say I choose to believe that beauty is totally arbitrary and a toned, fit physique is no more beautiful than my flabby, couch sitting-video game playing, make no effort body. I then merrily enjoy being just as handsome as the next guy. Until, I start to realize women ignore me and I can't get d…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 09:08 AM
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It will get better once you get good at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 02:39 PM
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That's the way it should be!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 12:15 PM
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Are you surprised that body positivity is more female-focused Body positivity is just a marketing campaign to sell clothing to ever increasing number of overweight women. That's it's history. It isn't a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 12:09 PM
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Do me a favor an Google 'Body Positivity' and view Images. Tell me by a rough estimate what the male to female breakdown is.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 05:30 AM
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Yeah I feel so sorry for you kids today. Both men and women have gotten fat, but women have really gotten fat. I think it's like 38% of men and 42% of women are obese. When I was in college in 1990 we thought the freshmen 15 was noticeable. 20 year olds today have the body of 35 year olds from 1990.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 05:12 AM
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Sex tourism is something else. To be honest I'm not familiar with either but I think you cast an inaccurate description of what's going on. It's a market place. Western women just aren't valued as highly if you've travelled and seen what the rest of the world is like.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 05:05 AM
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I think you need to take the pill and rethink things. You're entire mindset is s BP scarcity mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 04:41 AM
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Women also derive hornyness from their estrogen, it's part of their ovulatory shift that makes them reach peak horny a few days out of the month.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 12:37 AM
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Men and women use sex for different things. Men are biologically driven to do it. Women do it acknowledge and be close to someone they are attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 11:48 PM
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I think these men just don't want to have to deal with any kind of conflict or compromise; "traditional" marriage implies that the wife does whatever the husband says without comment or argument... which is insane. I don't think that's the appeal at all honesty. I think it's mostly because most Americans are out of shape and entitled.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 11:46 PM
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I usually hear this in the context of places like the Philippines or Thailand. I think the main appeal is that they aren't taught to hate traditional female relationship skills and their diets leave them looking young. They have strong instincts towards family. Basically all the skills feminism told women were patriarchal. Honestly though, the only mail-order spouse I know of was a friend's ex wife who went to Africa to bring home a husband, so it runs both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 11:42 PM
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We've allowed ourselves to define things in terms of a feminist centric viewpoint. So of course from their perspective it's always the man's fault. I think one of the great concepts put forth by RedPill is that woman aren't better (or worse) then men. We all do a lot of unkind stuff. RedPill doesn't shift the blame on to women, RedPill just slides the scale back to the middle. Sometimes men are the ones acting crappy roughly half the time it's the women acting crappy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 09:25 PM
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The state of dating is largely a function of Western Marriage Laws which make it very easy to extract a man's resource's without committing to a relationship with him. In extreme cases a man can get saddled with child support for a kid that isn't his and it can take years to prove otherwise with zero recourse if it is confirmed that he wasn't the father. If you balance out the family law/child support system I think the current strategy of only being willing to date a top 5% guy becomes a losing…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 05:29 PM
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Bill Burr has a great skit on Sex Robots https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dk5zliabPjM
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 05:20 PM
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For a man it's both getting fat or earning less. Basically any falling off by the man is reason for a woman to lose interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 02:45 PM
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So let’s assume the dude isn’t below average by choice and can’t move up. Then what? How is someone objectively unattractive going to fair in the dating market? Probably not all that well. He/She would be best to focus on people who don't care about looks. Online/Penpal partners Sometimes you see stories about people with severe disabilities, living in a wheel chairs falling in love online. In general people in that situation have zero access to a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 01:44 PM
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Does giving women less attention work? Only if she is interested in you. If she's not interested, doubtful she will notice. So if a woman is interested in going out with you don't stop everything you're doing just to be with her. To me there's an attention spotlight of sexual energy you should be able to turn on and turn off. In general I keep the spotlight off because if a woman is not interested, it lands as creepy. If you can learn to turn off the sexual heat, then you can just be polite and …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 11:08 AM
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Small towns are lousy for dating. If you're below average attractiveness work on improving your attractiveness. You physical fitness. Your social skills. Your style. The positive energy you project.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 10:57 AM
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I think it's just true for both genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 10:55 AM
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It's breaking a wedding vow the same as infidelity does. 'To have and to hold'. That's church speak for, we have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 12:46 AM
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Totally agree, men do it to. It's like 97% women, 3% men who do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 12:46 AM
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You prevent friend zone from happening by not investing girlfriend relationship time, energy, and money into a non girlfriend-friend. If you need to plan dates and pay for them she's not a friend. Friends pay for themselves and spontaneously call each other, each inviting the other out. It's back and forth.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 02:03 PM
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Just another thing men are better at.... (I kid)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 01:23 PM
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Well sounds like you found your demographic of men to torture by not caring about their standards as OP describes.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 01:16 PM
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Because relationships are a dynamic that is built and maintained by two people. A previous relationship with someone else will be different from the relationship you are building. Problems in relationships typically come from both partners (sometimes more one partner than another, but usually both). You goal is to feel and and develop a new dynamic with the new person, not relive failures of the past that give you concern. That would be an awful way to date and to my mind a guaranteed failure.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 02:15 AM
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Well men always want women, no question about that. But the need is about having a family/legacy. Once a woman passes say 35, she's can be many things, gorgeous, smart, fun, accomplished, but she's not in a prime baby making years. As time passes it more just becomes about being with an agreeable, kind partner who adds value to your life. If she hasn't given you kids there's very little incentive to put up with the decreasing agreeability associated with women when they age. If a woman doesn't h…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 02:11 AM
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Men want women so bad, their only choice is to conform to our standards & preferences. That argument holds until around age 30. After that men don't want you so bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 01:29 AM
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Well now you've gone ahead and moved the goal posts. First it was transparency, now it's honesty. Of your course you should be honest. What you shouldn't be is sharing your real time thinking by being transparent, or trying to disclose every flaw, fear, concern that comes to mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 12:40 AM
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You want to be 100% transparent on the first date to give an excuse for why they didn't like you. Basically giving yourself an out for why they weren't good enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 10:53 PM
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I'd put it into three categories. Adulting Skills Lives in squalor, can't cook, can't clean, can't be bothered to pick up crap, totally inadequate to share a space with. Dating Skills Hasn't fixed the holes in themselves in terms of physical fitness, life focus-having a plan, social skills, can read interpersonal skills, etc. Basically making yourself appealing. Relationship Skills Learning to accept, support, communicate, set boundaries where needed, show up for each other, give up back up and …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 06:40 PM
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Briffault's Law states - The female, not the male, determines all the conditions of the animal family. So I don't understand how this law would lead you to conclude that 'Women have to accept cheating'.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 06:33 PM
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It actually says both those things about you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 06:31 PM
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I'd agree regarding average and most women, but I'd probably also concede the same for men. So focus on dating top quality women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 04:27 PM
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"Tell me you are single and haven't figured out dating without actually saying it..."
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 03:14 PM
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I think you are reading it wrong. Red Pill never tells you what to do or think, it tells you the likely outcome. A significantly a value man likely will be forgiven, it isn't a directive to a woman, she chooses freely. She will look at the alternatives and decide based on her options.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 03:02 PM
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https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1995-07-07-mn-21052-story.html https://qz.com/441905/men-are-both-dumber-and-smarter-than-women These are the studies I'm talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 11:33 AM
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My interpretation of Red Pill is that the man should be attractive and desirable enough to cheat, not that he should. Red Pill also suggests men and women perceive love as different things and to a man, love is mental state that keeps him from wanting to continue his idealized mating strategy. For women the love comes from feeling like she maximized her investment, which is why if he is unattractive and uninteresting it weakens her love. She needs to feel like she got a steal to love.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 11:14 AM
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Men dominate the upper and lower end of the IQ range. In other words if you look at the top percent of smartest people in the world, it's dominated by men. It's also true if you look at the least intelligent people in the word, it's dominated by men. Women tend to develop in a narrower band of intelligence. We talk a lot about the top tier men, top 5%, mostly looks though charisma and success factor in there as well. But what we don't talk about is women having to deal with the bottom tier of me…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 11:10 AM
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Life is a marathon not a sprint. Try to improve yourself in all areas. Social skills, networking, moral consistently, decency, physical fitness. Most of the people that struggle in relationships struggle because they are wholly aware of their deficiencies. They choose to pick things they are good at to measure themselves against and of course score themselves well. They don't understand that they don't get to pick what society judges you on.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 10:59 AM
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There's no problem with being friends. If she wants to be friends then be friends. Sit back and let her plan the first get together. *crickets*
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 08:06 PM
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This is what I would like to see. So I'll start with the birthing phase. A woman should have the right to an abortion. A man, once informed of his pending parenthood should be given a similar time window to decide if he wishes to accept parental responsibilities so that the woman, if she chooses, can factor his decision into her decision. Still her choice, but his choice also. A man who is notified of paternity after the window for abortion or after birth would still be given his window to decid…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 04:11 PM
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It was closer to 2000 early days of OLD, no they weren't overweight. They were all in the 110-117 lb weight range. But agreed, the game is different. It's also before I had ever heard of RP, I just sort of figured out a solid 20% of redpill on my own. For me the biggest change was just not wasting time with women who were trying to string me along. I just got to the point where I could tell in about 2 minutes of meeting a woman if she was into me and then it was just on me to decide if I was int…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 02:38 AM
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Why would you bother trying to change anyone. If a woman is bossy and wants to be in charge that is her right. I also don't have to date her. I cannot imagine a worse idea in any relationship than asking yourself if you'll be able to change someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 02:04 AM
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I don't get frequently rejected by women, because I don't waste my time pursuing women who aren't interested. Since I can read women's sexual cues I only pursue women who are interested. I'm older now but in my 30s I typically had 10-12 new sexual partners a year and that was the case for at least 4-5 years in between some longer girlfriends. Maybe that's struggling to you, but my neighbors referred to my house as the "Stabbin' Cabin" until I heard about the joke and asked them to stop.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 01:38 AM
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Men have roughly a decade longer than women before hitting the wall. No one said men increase indefinitely with age.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 11:06 PM
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It's obvious hyperbole. Treating a woman nice is not a special gift you bestow upon her that she should (or will) be ever so grateful for. It's not something she has search high and low for.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 04:15 PM
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It would be unimaginable pain for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 04:05 PM
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There's lots of data around these stats, here's one relating to cancer https://www.reuters.com/article/us-partners-health/men-more-likely-than-women-to-leave-partner-with-cancer-idUSTRE5AB0C520091112
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 03:08 PM
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Sex or Marriage?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 03:05 PM
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Great point, that's clearly how all men behave. 🙄 /s
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 02:53 PM
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I have never met any women who has been with a large number of men Funny how that always seems to be the case doesn't it. 🤔 At some point they just count long term boyfriends and skip anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 05:03 AM
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I think dating and relationshipping are two different things. Most women (and probably men) don't really know how to relationship. So daters just keep dating, they don't know how to take that initial phase and what they need to do to take the next steps. Basically the guy needs up front game to start things off, then the woman needs her closing game to take it to a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 04:52 AM
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Part of the reason they have a high body count is because no one is wifing them up.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 04:49 AM
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Are you talking about an abusive person? I'm talking about the cocky types who rub most other guys the wrong way.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 04:39 AM
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I uploaded my photos to a rate my face site, I would have guessed I'd be a 6. People rated me on the site 3.8-4.2 which was obviously a big ouch feeling. So no male modeling closeups for me, but I feel like when I pull it all together I'm into that Chad-Lite status, I don't have any issues meeting women, it's certainly not every woman that walks by or anything, but there's a big difference when you cross into that top 20%. Playing below the cutoff is a losing game. You literally are just hoping …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 04:35 AM
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Well first step of course is diet, you need to be leaner to have a jawline. But after that, there's jaw muscle exercisers that develop the muscles that widened the lower face to give that more trapezoidal shape and defined jawline. They are kind of like human chew toys. Cost you like $25. If your chin is weak you could try various beard shapes. Getting to be a runway model isn't really the goal, it's maxing what you have. I find developing neck muscles, which you don't hear about does wonders to…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 04:31 AM
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It's the primary physical aspect of your attraction that you can actually control. The others might be hair/beard grooming and fashion choices. Having a narrow tapered waste with a V shape and toned butt are maybe the biggest changes you can make to approve your appearance and to be more attractive. You can get into things like jawline, posture, abs (applies only when shirt is off obviously), arms, etc. That's probably you main lever to pull to move yourself into the top 20% of men. The reality …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 05:03 PM
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You are talking about a criminal. That's something very different.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 04:57 PM
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It's me recognizing that we just disagree and moving on.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 03:29 PM
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If you are happy with the results you are getting then why ask me. Sounds like you have the ladies lining up outside your door.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 03:05 PM
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I guess it depends on what you consider nice. If saying no and holding someone is accountable is 'Not Nice' then I guess. I define not nice as being cruel.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 02:34 PM
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I think there's a misconception by NiceGuys that bad boy types treat women poorly. They think 'I would treat her so much better than him'. A bad boy type might treat you badly, he treats her well. It's a misperception. The NiceGuy just doesn't offer a compelling package to make himself interesting to a woman. It's okay, that's basically the bottom 80% of men. Women consider them disposable and easily replaceable.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 02:26 PM
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If you're a girl who likes drugs, a drug dealer makes sense as a boyfriend If you're a girl who likes to go dancing, a outgoing guy who buys drinks and parties makes sense as a boyfriend. Women pick guys who are fun and enhance their lives. Just being nice? Everyone is nice to a young woman (except maybe other women). There's nothing special about being nice. Why would she pick you when all you offer is 'I think you're really pretty, wanna watch me play video games?'
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 02:11 PM
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Every career choice has a lifestyle associated with it in terms of time spent, travel, heavy lifting, education required, etc. These job choices are paid as little as the business can possibly pay. So your pay is basically measuring how hard it would be to replace you. It has little to do with how hard the job actually is. Clearing boulders by hand is a hard job, no one wants to do it, it takes zero skill, so it pays reasonably well for someone with little skill.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 02:04 PM
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Just go to mandatory DNA tests and make putting the wrong name on a birth certificate a crime and I think you clean up a lot of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 12:33 PM
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Were they higher or lower income earners in the relationship, could you give me some examples of a lower income earner getting screwed and relative to what?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 06:44 PM
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I largely agree with you. Certainly you are correct regarding the statistics. I think the strongest things I take from RP are around not putting women on pedestals as they are no better or worse then men, and you hold them accountable. That most of your dating appeal can be improved by focusing on yourself. That it's much better to be a chad-lite than a beta (chat-lite was my ceiling). A woman should have respect for you bordering on admiration and of course be very attracted to you. Anything le…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 04:05 PM
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Do women inherently perceive this as somebody who doesn’t have the ability to explore options Yes So when a man is single and trying to date and straight away indicating he is looking for a serious relationship, It’s almost like the guy admitting up front he can’t get sex without trading resources and exclusivity. correct. Is this a subconscious turnoff? It definitely signals beta. Do women like men with the confidence to believe they can be direct and get what they want for free which is where …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 03:55 PM
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Personally, the way family law is structured I don't think it makes any sense under any circumstances because it places all risk on the higher income earner with zero responsibility to even behave decently on the lower income earner. But I also respect that between two parties acting in good faith there's major financial risk to a stay at home parent that deserves to be recognized and to be mitigated.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 09:28 AM
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What is the point if there are no kids involved? Kids are a huge financial and personal investment. I'm not a fan of marriage laws, but the all encompassing combing of two people only makes sense for the 20-25 year journey of raising kids together. With out the kids it's just a really, really bad contract.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 06:54 AM
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If you look at the data the big skewing group is women age 45-65. They are happier single. Building relationship skills takes time and self reflection. If you don't build them as a man you don't get women and eventually go MGTOW. Women develop relationship skills later because in their 20s they are in such high demand and get free (quite frankly unearned with respect to skills, personality, etc attention). This why you see the 'I know my worth' crowd start to crop up around 30. They remember the…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 06:49 AM
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One area that women use in calculating attraction that men don't is social proof. Women notice other women being attracted to a man and his appeal goes up. Women notice how other men look at and treat a man respect wise and his appeal goes up. This is one of the reason bully/jerk types can get women, women can see social proof that other men fear him a bit. Whether it's raw physical attractiveness or that social proof, if you are lacking either you will just be seen as less. If you are below the…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 04:38 AM
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It's one of the reasons women often don't develop relationship skills until their 30s when their looks fade. Or they just get cats.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 03:35 AM
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Probably a lot of truth to that. I got lucky that I actually liked working out, so I just did it as a lifestyle. I think maybe the biggest advantage younger kids have is at least knowing this stuff. When I was a kid I was told to be myself and the right girl would get me. Then all you know is life being below the cut and everything you try just fails. It's just such a rigged game. You end up friendzoned all the time. At least when you know, okay, this is why I'm coming up short, I can change thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 09:36 PM
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I would say. Women are no better than men, stop putting them on a pedestal, they are no better no worse, just human like you. Hold them to the same standards as anyone. Focus on developing yourself. Hit the gym (or preferred exercise routine), eat well. Strive to advance in your career, critically look at yourself and force yourself to be the best version of yourself you can. When dating don't waste your time trying to placate to nonsense and illogical thinking. See step 1, women are no better n…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 09:24 PM
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Exactly, for all the people who knock RP and I'm aware how some take it in a dark direction, the ownership that it encourages, that it's in your control to strive to be the best version of yourself and the results you see makes you realize that the lie is that you'll be judged using all the things women say they use to judge. They don't. They respond to fit guys, who don't pay them all that much attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 09:11 PM
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It's great advice for sure. I think with women the greatest challenge is lack of accountability. A woman can be an utterly terrible partner and turn around and guys are hitting on her the next night. This makes it very easy for her to blame the ex. You need to suffer from the failure to force you to be motivated, otherwise it's sort of in one ear out the other 'Oh I'm working on myself don't you worry', meanwhile some other guy fawning over her and she can just do the same dumb things. It's one …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 07:10 PM
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No question to be good at relationshipping both genders have a lot to learn. Because of woman's sex appeal, they aren't shut out of the dating market except for really extreme body types (like a 5'11 230 girl in HS probably has it rough). But in general I agree. Being held accountable and you have a lot of work to do is a good message for everyone. For boys its an imperative.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 06:48 PM
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Id argue that most teenage boys that are highly successful with girls were and are naturally inclined to live a redpill lifestyle As a quick story, growing up my best friend S was a very good looking guy, like went to Hollywood after High School good looking and did some small commercials Good looking. I was very tall at a young age (like 6'1" 130 lbs by 12) so I was gangly, awkward moving, introverted. Later in life he has lost his hair, put on 50-75 lbs where as I grew into my frame as an athl…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 02:03 PM
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A lot of things women are attracted to in men are achievable and can be learnt. True, as long as a man holds himself accountable, is honest with his deficiencies and does the work he can improve his status and relationship appeal. when every guy that you meet has none of them qualities I listed in number 1. This requires investing in a man with potential, who has most of the pieces but is not yet perfect. Your assumption is that you, as a young, developing, incomplete person are entitled to a al…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 03:13 AM
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Exactly, she hasn't a clue.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 11:15 PM
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We live in a time where the messaging women are bombarded with is "don't settle." Women see average, normal, unremarkable men as settling, despite being average themselves. They want perfect or nothing. I agree 100% on this. The one fact to add in to my example is that the more houses she looks at, the better a perfect house gets. By 25 she might want a $1m home, by 30 it's a $2m home, despite her depreciating assets.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 10:37 PM
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But it all stems from assuming that there isn't a shelf life to attract a quality man. Who cares if you say I know they like me when I'm younger for sex. If your strategy is to wait for someone perfect, while you are a depreciating asset then there is a point of no return where the guys you could have got are no longer attainable and not only is the perfect man not possible, you aren't even looking at top 20% men. I don't buy that someone who hangs on like that understood how far their value wou…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 08:12 PM
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In other words, they thought the attention would last. Most women in this situation don't get a family. That's when they learn or they won't admit it and cope.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 07:30 PM
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If they knew they wouldn't end up 38, great career no kids, no husband. They may say they knew, but their track record tells the story that they really didn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 06:49 PM
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I think there are two parts to it. The first is that walking away is a healthy way of dealing with an impassible situation such as a boundary that your partner refuses to accept. Example. "He hun, I don't think either of us should be cultivating opposite sex friendships or spending one on one time with opposite sex friends that are of dating age while we work on our relationship" "But I love hanging out with Brian, we just hang out and watch old movies at his place and nothing every happens" "Ok…
/r/ExRedPill05/12/22 09:08 AM
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Your partner is damaged and not suitable for dating. You are wasting your time waiting for her to have an epiphany, epiphanies occur when people hit rock bottom, not when they are relatively cared for and comfortable. Why do you think leaving a toxic relationship to seek a fulfilling relationship makes you a wimp. This sounds like a thought planted by someone who would benefit in you being manipulated to think this.
/r/ExRedPill05/12/22 08:47 AM
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Dating apps are for low effort people, using a no effort platform, while expecting exceptional results. Dating apps are structured they way they are structured to make money.
/r/ExRedPill05/12/22 08:35 AM
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As someone who is just browsing this forum with an open mind I'd say delve into RP as much as you are comfortable. I don't see what the problem is with focusing on bettering yourself. Your body, your career, your conversation skills, your grooming, etc. I find RP to be very fair in pointing out that women are just as awful as men. Not worse, but not better. Where I see RP being problematic is that the men who refuse to work on themselves and refuse to hold themselves accountable for their own fa…
/r/ExRedPill05/12/22 08:33 AM
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It seems like the male equivalent of average women throwing themselves at top tier guys with free sex and then asking 'What am I doing wrong?'. People are shit at relationship skills unless they actively put an effort into learning them and holding themselves accountable for their own bullshit. If you are in your 20s, you probably don't realize that 50% of the drama and craziness is coming from you, but you talk to them and everything is always the other persons fault. After you've worked on you…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 08:22 AM
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This is basically saying that if a woman sees you as an experience not to be missed, a I don't mind if it doesn't work out short term adventure then I'll drop the relationship ritual. Which is true. But women also date for long term security, those men have to qualify themselves. And the majority of men don't make the cut for either dating style. As I described, they filter for suitability for relationship first (long or short) before sex is even considered.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 08:05 AM
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He probably did, I was half joking. Half kind of not.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 08:01 AM
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Secondly, we can look no further than the Italian Renaissance to find evidence of women who we would consider fat today, being the most attractive all over Europe. Fatter men were also considered more attractive because that meant wealth in those days. Just look at King Henry's portrait. There's a selection bias you are missing here. The people who were painted were painted because they could afford to pay the artists. They were the wealthy. Being well fed has at times, been a status symbol of w…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 07:59 AM
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It's true for men and women, most of us are not particularly good looking. Women have a system to combat this however, makeup, contouring, hair and eyelashes all intended to simulate attractivness. Men wear their bad skin, bad hair and unibrows every day so they don't associate their worth to it. I think many women act as though they are what their makeup skills says they are from 15'.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 07:48 AM
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I think he meant twenty in the last year. Which was an undercounting
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 07:32 AM
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I agree with what many have said about "it depends", but to be a partner means understanding what you want in life, what your partner wants in life, what your partner needs from you in getting to where they want to go and what you need from your partner on your journey. I think a lot of problems stem from assuming that my journey is our journey and if the other person isn't helping, they must be selfish. When really it's the person ignoring the other person's journey that is being selfish. A rel…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 07:26 AM
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These would seem to be (legitimate) non gendered concerns.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 07:17 AM
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I think the imbalance has mainly been created with the 3rd wave feminism inspired family law system, which entitles a woman to a man's resources if she has a child with him, regardless of her behavior. The older system was grossly unfair to woman and needed changing, but what replaced it just shifted that burden on to men. It creates an artificial sense of independence. We hear a lot about dead beat dads (and we should) but I'd guess in 50% of those cases you have dead beat mom's who use the pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 07:15 AM
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This isn't exactly right. Men care about those things as well, they just care about them when considering a woman for a relationship. Women, first filter for a relationship and then start to think about sex. Men think about sex and then if they are happy with it, a relationship. Even though same sex partners have obviously different tastes, it doesn't change this prioritizing of how they court and mate. If a woman doesn't see a benefit for a long or short term relationship, it ends there. For a …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 06:53 AM
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The good ones figure it out and become quality people. But man, many just think it's something that will last forever. I mean there's some seriously obnoxious, sharp tongued women and you just know they think they are a hoot. Then at 35 with no relationships more than 6 months they just talk trash about men. Like seriously, you're only qualification was being attractive 10 years ago because your personality literally is what prevented you from having a good relationship and you thought it was wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 03:00 AM
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I think one of the great lessons men learn is that being in the friendzone is a dead end and the longer it takes for them to realize that all their efforts are being wasted, the more time they've missed improving themselves. That they aren't banking up some reserve of good will that will count for something when a woman has to decide on who to be with. All that effort meant nothing. I think one of the great lessons women learn as that all the attention they receive from their late teens to thirt…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 02:30 AM
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There's a few big assumptions and a shading to the scenario you added I'd clarify before answering, as I am someone who basically fit this storyline. So unless you take care of yourself physically, have developed your style, grooming, personality, you aren't suddenly going to get access to high quality younger women. You might meet opportunistic low quality women, but what held you back when you were 20 is still there if you haven't developed yourself. You shaded the situation by saying your wif…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 02:17 AM
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This is a well studied effect. Women prefer men taller 6' or taller.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 03:21 PM
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Attractiveness is tied to fertility. Women below 25 are the most fertile. Even a 30 year old, though certainly fertile, has only 10% of her eggs left. If your goal is starting a family with multiple children you realistically need to start with a woman below 30 (plus or minus). You can see this in the marriage data where a woman's chances of getting married plummet after 35 (starts decreasing rapidly after 30). Women older than 35 can remain attractive, but they aren't good wife stock for buildi…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 09:56 PM
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I had felt the opposite. I dated this woman and when I saw her string of boyfriends it was dorky guy afte dorky guy and I started to get self concious that I was included in that group. I was thinking, man girl you need to up your game, you're making me feel bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 11:54 PM
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I'm just curious if you are familiar with the stats on women getting married for the first time after 35? Because what you are proposing squeezes a woman's time window to find a suitable man to roughly 5 years (as women find themselves on a very different dating market when they reach 30).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 11:47 PM
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The men are shamed, the women are just experimenting.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 11:43 PM
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Some of us actually are women. They are the ones who care. Bias. Both parents care. Okay, and they get same amount even if they are cheated on and abused by their partners. It's irrelevant. Says the person not being compelled to pay. And what happens if the higher earning partner acts like an ass? If by ass you mean having affairs, hiding money, or just not nice? They should be compelled to honor the commitments they made. There's an honorable way to conduct themselves and if, as I said prior, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 01:38 AM
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WOMEN are still responsible for the children. Some of us actually want to raise our children. You see it as a burden, the default should be 50/50 with zero child support and then adjusted based on one partners unwillingness to step up and do their 50/50. The lower income earner gets half marital assets even if they behaved with total disloyalty and showed no commitment the entire marriage. I'm fine with splitting assets in a marriage where both parties acted in good faith but the laws have made …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 01:01 AM
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Do you think women are men suffer more from divorce? Like who tends to pay more in child support and alimony? Who ends up being held responsible? The answer is the person with more earning potential. Which gender typically has the higher earning potential?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 12:37 AM
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So is lack of financial generosity a red flag? What about low libido?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 12:16 AM
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So you realize there's two parts. One is the right to do something, the other is accepting the consequences of said action and your decision. OP was asking if women should reflect on their own choices, the work they've done with on themselves, etc. Your answer was Of course it is, but women get told they are just beta buxxing if they ever tried to alter their course. Which sounds like I take no responsibility, it's their fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 12:03 AM
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Of course it is, but women get told they are just beta buxxing if they ever tried to alter their course. So you are helpless and have no agency?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 11:33 PM
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So you'd vet for a man being able to have multiple children without needing thousands of dollars of medical support? You'd vet for man having custody of a small child with a crazy ex? You worry about whether a man has been sexually assaulted?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 10:27 PM
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Would you make the same choices now that you made back then or do you think you've learned to be vet differently?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 08:27 PM
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Well sure you can find many that are the same, that wasn't my point. I was focusing on the lists being different, but sure some are the same, no argument from me.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 07:57 PM
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Well speaking for myself, no. I don't see it as wanting total control. My issues is that the lower income earner has absolutely zero incentive to even behave decently. In my case I had a partner who just cheated until I caught her and that's fine. She wants something else, I get it, but then you hit the divorce machine and it's like 'No Fault' give her half of everything earned during the marriage, half your 401k. I put her name on our new house, she gets half of that even though buying it was r…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 07:54 PM
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I make plenty of mistakes, I just happen to take ownership of them and blame myself. If you haven't made any mistakes, then what you really are saying is, I don't ever take blame of my own choices and actions that lead to this. I can always blame someone else. That's where we differ.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 07:45 PM
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Many don't get the option. I was thinking about this the other day. Most of us (definitely including me) during our formative years hadn't developed physically. I was lanky, no fashion sense, dorky. What red pill made me realize was I was trying to navigate the game from the bottom 80% and you're playing a losing hand. So you end up being the friend zone guy or a simp because that's the closest you get to any sort of success. When you do grow up, hit the gym, get a career, bought a house by my l…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 07:40 PM
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You can't see the red flags when the whole room is red.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 05:30 PM
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Check you out BigZaddyZ3 with the dual mating strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 05:30 PM
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Wouldn't the same factors also mitigate risks for women? I used male pronouns because I was responding to this comment. I think both our biases have been exposed. My bias is that men and women play different roles in a relationship, therefore having differing warning signs. Your bias is assuming their roles are symmetrical leading to symmetrical risk factors.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 05:06 PM
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If I'm being honest I don't think mothers and fathers warn their sons either. In earlier generations you picked your pick at like 18-22 years old. Most of them hardly dated by todays standards (btw my parents were boomers, so I'm a 50 year old). With my kids, I have a much broader set of experiences to draw from (both good and bad) and will be in a better place to offer advice. Seriously the kind of advice I got was like 'Well when your down, remind yourself why you love her and do what you have…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 03:31 PM
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Women do mitigate risk, but women are navigating a different dating market then men, so their risk factors differ and their markers differ. Would you not agree, all things being equal, a partner with a more secure job and higher pay would be a better choice than his equivalent that makes less pay?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 03:27 PM
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The state of family law makes marriage a big risk for the higher income earner, which is often the man, though the advice would apply equally to a higher income earning woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 03:25 PM
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I was careful in my wording "taking their ownership of their part of the bad outcomes" this was said intentionally because not all bad outcomes are your fault. So major fail on your part. You should read what I wrote like 10x and repeat it to yourself. Because maybe you'll see and own your part in the misunderstanding. Abusers of both genders exist. They don't where signs. That's why date and read red flags before having a child with them. If you failed to vet your partner, own that mistake. You…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 03:14 PM
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There's been such an effort since third wave feminism to prop up women's egos it would be a hard pull on the rudder to have a society that held women accountable for their decisions on a level similar to men. At this point is would just be labeled mysigony or patriarchy instead of equality. That's really what you are talking about, telling women to be accountable for the men they pursue and taking their ownership of their part of the bad outcomes that occur because of those choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 02:19 PM
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So do you always do what you're told? Why not take some ownership and do what makes sense for your life?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 02:16 PM
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The majority of men are invisible to women. This leaves 100% of the women striving for the top 5% of men and maybe settling for guys in the next 15% (rounding out the top 20%). So for men in the top 5% women are basically disposable and they have no incentive to commit to one. The next 15% have consistent access to women, but it can take some work, but they still find more women then guys like themselves. So they just need to sort through the women who value them vs women who would consider to h…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 02:10 PM
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It varies by SMV, lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 11:35 PM
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If it's working for you, don't change a thing! Just sharing what I could cobble together.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 11:16 PM
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The secret to approaching women is read the cues she is giving off. Not all (I would say more like most) women aren't interested in you approaching them. So if she is signaling her interest, then you get to decide if you attracted enough to approach. If you are just randomly walking up attractive women without the social cues, that's how you enter into awkward interactions. So based on that, I would agree that more attractive women are approached in real life. With Online dating, it's more a num…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 09:00 PM
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The advice in redpill is based on realizing how frequently your efforts to attract women are abused by some women who use the resources of men they like knowing full well they aren't interested. So the idea is to focus less on chasing and putting that time and effort into yourself. If this raises your SMV high enough you will start to find women attracted to you, if you don't then so what, at least you are focusing your time and energy on doing what you want to do, not in being tricked or mislea…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 08:15 PM
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Sadly whatever biological mechanism is in place for this... women are the absolute worst at picking guys who absolutely aren't fit to be fathers. They are drawn to them like magnets.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 07:19 PM
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Let's not knock the a-hole drug dealers, women find those guys lit.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 07:18 PM
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Everyone more or less agrees on who is attractive. It's a built in low tech method for assessing physical fitness for reproduction. In general symmetrical features are more attractive, clear skin is more attractive, white eyes over blood shot, etc. Even babies will gravitate to faces with more attractive features. So sorry, your attraction to the top 0.5% of men doesn't mean you're top 0.5% as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 07:16 PM
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Whatever excuse you get don't read too much logic into it. It was the best and kindest way she could think of turning you down on the spot. It wasn't meant to kick off a discussion to convince her she was wrong. It was a no. Hit the gym. Ask some female friends to help with your wardrobe to up your game. Learn to turn the spot light on others and engage others into the conversation instead of talking about yourself. What all these women are really just saying is you aren't there yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 05:37 PM
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As someone who has been with multiple women at the same time I would characterize the arousals as different. Guy finishes, race is over wahoo! we are champions. Women... go, that's great, okay we are going to keep at it. For the next 2 hours they just keep going and going. ​ So when a woman does want to, it usualyl has to do with how they feel about their spouse. There's surely truth to this and everyone should always self reflect on what they are taking and what they are giving in the relations…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 01:39 PM
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Whenever the mood is right. So I agree with this sort of. And I'm very happy for your high libido and pregnancy. Pregnancy is a special time with those hormones for sure. But I'll say from my standpoint, with work, kids, chores, etc I feel like 2-3x week is doable, once a week is maintenance but I'm fine with, that's sort of where I'm at. Under the scenario laid out by OP daily if not multiple times a day. But here's what you run into with the 'whenever the mood is right' with some women. W: I s…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 12:52 PM
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There's no way to measure "better" period. Of course there is. People are objectively better looking when they are young and/or when they are fitter and healthier. Line up 20 people to judge and all will more or less agree with minor variations around preference. The difference between someone who is agreeable and wants to try new things and share their things is infinitely more enjoyable than someone who immediately mocks or complains when you suggest things and gives you a list of things they …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 11:12 AM
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Women objectively don't want sex as much as men. There's ranges of course, and most women have healthy desire for sex, but it's a fantasy to say they are the same. Men in their 20s think of sex hourly.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 10:54 AM
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lol, what? There is no measurable way that older woman are better to date than younger after say age 25. The same would be true of men except men have the opportunity to improve themselves, so it pushes out maybe a decade longer. But there's a reason men and women date more in their 20s and by your 50s it's a tough slog. Because neither men or women are better as they age. Not physically. Not easier to live with. Not better catches.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 10:51 AM
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And most women have little or nothing to offer.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 10:47 AM
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And if you base your entire value on the ultimate bargaining chip of sex what happens to your power when your looks fade and later your sex drive plummets? Enjoy your 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 10:46 AM
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All I can say is, you go on an OLD app after 35 and select 'No Kids' and you watch all the attractive women evaporate from your results. Seriously, everything you list is a red flag, but you should also look in the mirror and ask yourself if you have flaws and if you need to work on yourself. It's hard finding a great match, by 30 most great matches are already married. After that you're picking over left overs and guess what, you're left over too.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 10:37 AM
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I don't agree with the premise. Both men and women have filters for relationships and both men and women have much less restrictive filters for sex. Women filter for relationship first. Either short term (fun, good looking, an experience) and longer term (provider, good father etc). Most women eliminate the majority of guys with this filter. Quite frankly if you pass this filter the bar for sex is relatively low at that point. Men filter for sex (will she have sex with me), again not a steep fil…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 01:48 AM
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Whatever the dynamics are, the point is to learn to navigate them. Men and women experience very different dating markets and their strategies are different because of this. Heck, women below 30 experience vastly different dating markets than women over 30 and certainly over 40. So don't see being horny as a weakness, unless of course you just immerse yourself in porn and stop interacting with women. Then you natural chemical drivers have been directed towards something that prevents growth as o…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 01:37 AM
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When a women describes herself as strong on a dating app, it typically means they are a bit obnoxious and instead of working on themselves they just blame men (e.g. 'Men can't handle a strong woman'). As others have pointed out, if you are attracted to intelligence you expect your partner to have differing opinions. You actually embrace hearing, learning and sharing opinions with them. You also respect your partner is in pursuit of her own dreams and you aren't there to argue or mock those dream…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 01:22 AM
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I mean they could date men. They could date older women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 07:47 AM
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Are these men particularly good looking or well endowed? If so they could become Chads. Or are you asking about guys with no ambition and no attractive attributes?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 06:44 AM
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Different people cheat for different reasons. All of those reasons are selfish though.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 06:42 AM
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I would suspect due to the very selfish nature of cheating, that the cheater will do whatever they think will benefit them the most. If the question is, what would their partner want them to do, I think the obvious answer is not cheat in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 05:30 AM
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Sounds like you are killing it. You've found your groove and you work it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 02:21 AM
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The bottom line is the opposite sex always, always, always assigns your sexual market value. Whether it's being geeky or a jock or goth or whatever you just have to see how women react to you and navigate it. If a woman has little interest in dating she is still in the game. She will still attract attention, she will still get asked out, day after day, week after week even if she puts in zero effort (assuming she's under age 30). If a man hasn't focused on dating or isn't interested he's off the…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 02:05 AM
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The lesson I took from RP was that women just aren't going to appreciate the self deprecating humor. Honestly men and women have different humor to begin with and learning to attune jokes to the audience is just basic EQ and reading the room.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 01:47 AM
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That being said, one of the most powerful things a man can do when approaching a woman is to be honest and directly stating what he wants from her. I mean this comes after reading social cues. To walk up to a random woman, a hostess at restaurant, a woman at the gym, etc and just start talking like this will land incredibly poorly if the man hasn't attuned himself to social cues given by women. Easily 90% of women will not give me any sort of social cues to approach them and so you know what I d…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 01:38 AM
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Honestly those guys probably just around putting themselves in a position to meet women. If you work in a field that's 95% male dominated and then go home and play video games... you just aren't going to meet a lot of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 11:47 PM
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Wait, you women have a support network?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 10:40 PM
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I think within a woman's areas of interest those attraction cues are still relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 08:34 PM
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I think that there are a variety of dominance hierarchies and each dominance hierarchy attracts different women based on her interests. One woman might like artists, another musicians, some others race car drivers, another triathletes, maybe some purely just like good looks and some like religious types. So basically each of those dominance hierarchies has a pool of women that sort of like that field or a few fields, but that's where they pull from.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 08:00 PM
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These seem like two completely unrelated experiences. Denying someone sex implies a pre-existing relationship of a sexual nature to begin with. Having a high body count involves minimal criteria in mate selection. They could literally be practiced by the same person. They aren't an either or type of thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 07:23 PM
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Is this a question from a woman wanting to know what she can do or is this a question from a man thinking about getting into a relationship with a woman like this?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 06:53 PM
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I think the main thing to realize is that sexual attraction isn't relationship skills. Most women who are still single past 30 lack relationship skills. So focus on the type of guy you are interested in, then work on the areas in yourself that see a man like that being attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 06:48 PM
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One other detail, the man has to be able to share that status with the woman. A tight wad rich man who never splurges on anything won't attract a woman, where as a guy putting himself in debt to party will. You have to have it and signal you share it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 04:38 PM
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I think you can use similar approaches to men. How do they treat people they don't want something from? What are their exes like. There's obviously a considerable amount of tea leaf reading on this stuff. So just slow it from a straight drop to a parachute drop in while you observe.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 04:09 PM
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Well hold on, where these women fat when they locked down a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 02:58 PM
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😂🤣😂
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 02:57 PM
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I think the bigger issue is that mating selection is heading towards factors of looks not dissimilar to dog breeding. Were physical characteristics that are deemed desirable are bread for. Just like a wild strawberry is sweeter than oversized bread for display strawberries in the supermarket you tend to lose things when you just breed for looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 06:37 AM
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I came from a family that valued self deprecation. In fact if my family thought I was talking too about myself they would get annoyed. So I learned to self deprecate. It never affected my confidence. Not when I became a semi pro athlete, not when I started my own business. I just have a tendency to make self deprecating jokes. If anything I thought it made me relatable despite my success. I've even had people tell me I need to work on my confidence and I sort of look at them like, do you serious…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 06:29 AM
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Everyone notices the opposite sex's appearance. The only problem is if you value this above and beyond other features of compatibility like kindness, intelligence, having similar values, etc. Where things get weird is when you fixate on looks. I think a lot of guys say things like 'You are so pretty' like they are bestowing this huge compliment on the woman that she should be incredibly grateful for. Like, your stamp of approval is what she needs. In reality she hears it so often from so many di…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 03:49 AM
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I think that women heavily rely on peer reaction to men to determine a man's value. If many women are sleeping with a man, his value increases. On the other hand, all women can get sex, but women have to develop skills to maintain a relationship. If a woman has had many sexual partners but few relationships it implies no men wanted to be in a relationship with her and her value decreases.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 03:33 AM
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Just the nature of the dating game is different for women and men. Women first filter for men they are interested in a relationship with (either short term or long term), after that filter is passed it's relatively easy to start having sex. Men are the opposite, their first filter is what women will have sex with me. Then after that, they begin to consider if a relationship is something they are interested in. This means that women can easily get sex, just like attractive men can easily get rela…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 03:30 AM
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I think the phrase 'trust but verify' comes to mind. I don't think you want or need to conduct yourself as a paranoid partner who expects everyone to screw you over the moment they leave your sight. I think you give trust, but you pay attention warning signs and follow up on things that seem out of place. I had a spouse who loved rap music suddenly take an interest in 90s Country Music. Suddenly started to become interested in a sleeve of tattoos despite having none. Women tend to adopt the hobb…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 03:10 AM
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So why have you chosen to focus your time and energy on someone who focuses their time and energy on someone else? It just sounds like you're friend zoned and don't realize it. She's just not into you.
/r/RedPillWomen06/11/22 10:53 PM
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What exactly does naturally mean? I'm more a fan of communicating what you want in a positive manner so the other person understands what you want. Seems to work better than smiling at them and wondering why they aren't reading your mind.
/r/RedPillWomen06/11/22 10:32 PM
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A husband always has the option to cheat, but it's not a good option and it's never justified as an ethical choice. Same is true for the wife. Letting yourself go could potentially cause your partner to lose sexual interest however and that could lead to them feeling they got bait-and-switched in the marriage. Loss of chemistry has lead to plenty of marriages ending. But you don't need to cheat to leave a relationship.
/r/RedPillWomen03/11/22 04:33 AM
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Are those relationships leading to marriage? Im my experience men and women sort of filter relationships opposite of each other. Women first determine if there's either long or short term relationship potential. The answer is usually no, but if there is, then they consider sex. So they partake in sex with men they see a long or short term relationship potential with. Men go the opposite route. They determine if a woman will have sex with them, after they have sex they ask themselves if there's a…
/r/RedPillWomen02/11/22 10:12 PM
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I think your dating market value 4 years ago (and the 7 years before that) is quite a bit higher than your dating market currently and that will change even more over the next 4 years. So the challenge I've seen is not falling into the trap of demanding/expecting to attract your peak market value match when you are no longer at peak market value. Most of the high value men your age want to date the 10-15 year younger version of you. There's a wave of 'post family' men in their 50s and older who …
/r/RedPillWomen02/11/22 09:47 PM
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That's a tough one, as he doesn't see the distinction. Maybe let him know that art is subjective and certain things speak to you while others don't. This item speaks to you and maybe you can suggest it as your birthday gift. This might allow him to get past his ego around things he picked and get on board with being the one who gets you something you loved (as opposed to seeing you get it for yourself). Maybe that's the part you missed, you robbed him of his chance to get you something.
/r/RedPillWomen01/11/22 03:25 PM
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3 months? Is he dating anyone else?
/r/RedPillWomen30/10/22 11:38 PM
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