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Yes. I hold my moral principles because I believe the world they inspire will be explicitly to my benefit. A world with less harms, fewer prejudices, and broader social and economic freedoms is definitionally a reward.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 01:50 PM
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"Be charming and confident," Not to be exceptionally autistic, but I don't think it's good practice to lie to prospective partners, or even possible friends by adopting an insincere front. It's just draining. I'm not comfortable with being handed a script of basic human conduct, and getting told the only way to get anywhere is to adopt an array of personality traits that aren't natural to maintain. It's draining.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 05:52 AM
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Knowing the game is rigged doesn't provide me a strong moral incentive to cheat for a chance at victory. Call me an idealist, but I hold on to hope that relationships can be built without manipulation.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 04:58 AM
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I personally think gendered standards of conduct are shit whether it's Myron Gaines or Mila Kunis trying to determine the ideal social niche for another human being. Being told to do tricks for a scrap of human connection doesn't have much appeal to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 04:50 AM
1

What makes it ridiculous? Are you not adopting a deliberate affect in order to solicit the most favorable response? A persuasive essay or call to action is only different from a sales pitch or a con in the sense that you're arguably trying to guide someone to better ends than your own self-fulfilment.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 12:06 AM
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By definition, altering the delivery of a sentiment such that the listener is more amenable is an act of manipulation. Comms 101 doesn't care about the difference between honest and effective communication, so it makes sense that such a distinction wouldn't be relevant to the course.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 11:00 PM
1

Uncharitable? How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 05:50 PM
1

So the answer lies in manipulative framing as opposed to earnest disclosure. Neat. Lying is always helpful.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 05:39 PM
12

Some people don't have the luxury of ignoring what society thinks of them. It'll influence everything from their job prospects to their capacity to buy a home.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 03:04 PM
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The choice is inherently suspicious.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 03:00 PM
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Exactly
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 02:56 PM
2

I do, frequently. The results vary.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 04:11 AM
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He also has nothing to lose from a bit of investment-free ragebaiting. I've got no means or measure of homie's character, and absent either, I've got no reason to trust or distrust him.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 04:09 AM
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And here I am, agreeing with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 04:06 AM
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All the casual sex in the world wouldn't solve my loneliness either. Contrary to whatever narrative you've internalized, I'd feel better with a healthy social life and a community I consider trustworthy than a revolving door of apathetic fuckbuddies. The problem wouldn't be solved either way, but the bigger dent will be done with a systemic solution than an arbitrary amount of weightless sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 03:53 AM
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I agree. It sucks that some people can work their entire lives and not earn enough to take a vacation, or pay for an emergency, or pay their way through the various resource gates between the average Joe and a lady of the night. Wages really haven't kept up with production.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 03:36 AM
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As far as I'm concerned, I'd settle for a consistent d&d table, or a reliable support group, or a park that regularly gathers people I can build a meaningful sense of comeraderie with, but even the most intimate friendship cannot fulfill all social needs
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 02:51 AM
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Which men?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 01:03 AM
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There's a difference between "responsible for," and "complicit in"
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 12:57 AM
4

There's a few intuitions baked into this scenario that don't pan out very well. I'm willing to bet OP isn't doing cold approaches, which means he's not just telling strangers he hasn't had a previous partner. It's prospective partners, people he's nominally had the chance to talk to and build a rapport with. Potential friends, who are at least known enough to raise these questions and react to OP being cagey and evasive.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 12:30 AM
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Yes, it can be done, no that doesn't mean it's effective rhetoric for this situation. The idea that someone can just say "I don't want to talk about it," and not be met with the immediate social calculation for why someone would want to hide that is a delusion. It doesn't bear out in practice, especially in environments where the average person isn't especially mature around the subject of virginity, like a school, or club, or date.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 12:14 AM
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The Tone of the message doesn't meaningfully change it's content. Framing singlehood as something noble or respectable doesn't erase the implicit stigma of incompetence that comes with virginity after a certain point.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 11:57 PM
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No? The comment is up there.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/10/25 11:37 PM
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See this? This is what happens when you look at people as a mass of individuals as opposed to participants in a massive system. You're not engaging with the framework here, boss. You're not accounting for the ways in which Patriarchy as a system coerces behavior from men and women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/10/25 11:22 PM
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Fair enough. I'm happy for you and yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 09:51 PM
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Do you know the difference between bringing it up and it being brought up?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 09:22 PM
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Any problem that can be solved with money is definitionally a problem that disproportionately affects people who can't afford the solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 09:21 PM
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Do you know the difference between an anecdote and qualitative evidence?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 09:19 PM
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This
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 09:17 PM
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You're waiting on a monolith of thought from a community that can't even decide if political lesbianism is praxis?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/10/25 07:01 PM
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This post would be significantly more useful if it integrated a feminist perception of what exactly the patriarchy is, as opposed to asserting that it somehow only concerns a few groups of feminists. If you don't have a shared understanding of how the system is organized, from the top down, by multiple interlocking systems of control, you are only ever going to be able to engage with the most flanderized version of feminist thought.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/10/25 04:36 PM
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How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 04:28 PM
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Then why did you do it? You can't expect anyone who's engaging seriously with a post about how altruism doesn't exist to think you chose specifically to do something you get nothing out of. It would be contradictory.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 04:16 PM
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What makes this post more trustworthy than any other voice in cyberspace?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 04:10 PM
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What makes you more altruistic than any other voice in cyberspace?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 04:09 PM
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I wasn't disputing the likelihood of learning more about something by reading. I was disputing the likelihood of finding someone by wasting valuable swipe time lowering your rate of exposure by reading. This conversation was had elsewhere already, but you're not really navigating the dilemma here. Unless you can measurably confirm the odds of success are higher by being deliberate and intentional while droves of men in identical positions are effectively DDosing your best potential match, I don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 04:20 AM
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Your moral intuitions about right and wrong aren't exactly common sense if they're not held in common with others. That's just your values inflating their worth. That's the 'common' in 'common sense', boss.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 03:02 AM
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So it's beyond your imagination, but not an impossibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 02:35 AM
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Common sense is a tool of nebulous utility at best. Two hundred years ago, it was common sense that black people just weren't human. Fifty years ago it was just common sense that gay people certainly had the right to be gay, but it would be stupid of them to push for marriage equality. Ten years ago it was common sense that rhetoric on the internet has no practical applications in modern politics. Why is today's common sense any better?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 02:33 AM
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Almost never?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 01:36 AM
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And how are you drawing this conclusion?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 01:11 AM
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And you think the average guy wouldn't consider an irl date with everyone they swipe across?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 12:48 AM
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How do you know that if you don't know the degree of difference between the two strategies?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 11:09 PM
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How much more likely?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 10:39 PM
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What's "genuine" in this context?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 10:29 PM
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I know. And I'd love to dispute your claim at length, but I'm not entirely sure it's useful. "A lot of these idiots did it to themselves," okay and? What's the use in this conversation? Does it do anything for the people who didn't?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 11:54 PM
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This reads like a screed of personal grievances against less-than-preferable personality traits than any kind of practical attempt to engage with the foundations of any given quality. What's the intended outcome here?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 11:39 PM
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Asexual men exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 05:22 PM
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Of course?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 07:32 PM
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It seems a little insincere to take up ballroom dancing for the sake of finding a partner, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 05:47 PM
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As someone who is alone, solitude is it's own form of pressure. At the very least, people who have toxic views didn't spawn into the universe with those views fully developed. I find more utility in assessing the origin point for those views and trying to detangle them from someone's lived experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 05:01 PM
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What makes an insult insulting?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 03:42 PM
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Isn't this something of a "no true scotsman" argument? The idea that only toxic women think this way paints a pretty significant chunk of dateable feminists as toxic
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 03:24 PM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 03:04 PM
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Sure, that's possible. There could be any number of factors in my presentation that are uniquely flawed in such a way as to directly impact my capacity to meaningfully construct a sincere relationship with others. But my feelings towards "myself" are distinct from my feelings towards "women," and "people." The question was how I feel about women, not how I feel about my situation where women are concerned, no? I've already made peace with the board as far as men and coworkers and peers are conce…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 07:04 AM
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I find these issues with men I talk to, absolutely. The difference is just in scale. Guys just think I'm terse and mechanical, while I've been accused of outright sociopathy by women in similar environments.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 06:31 AM
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A, I'm a man B, I'm a Black Man, with all the associated cultural baggage associated with protecting even an ounce of malice C, I'm autistic, which makes my emotions already hard to read if I'm not careful
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 06:19 AM
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Vexation. Pure, unadulterated Vexation. It seems impossible to meaningfully and earnestly communicate with most women in my life in a manner that will not be immediately construed as some form of threat or hostility, even when I preface my thoughts well in advance. Building relationships with them, even friendships, is a constant practice of artifice and formality that feels like I need to gaslight people into thinking I'm tolerable before I'm allowed even an ounce of earnest expression. I don't…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 06:09 AM
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The best job in the world doesn't negate the fact that the job is mandatory. I can love a job and still hate the fact that I need money to live. The nature of the complaint doesn't change, even if the backdrop and context do. In that space, complaints are an exit valve for stress that cannot be leveraged into significant change.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 04:45 PM
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Some changes can't be made. I can complain about a job all day every day, but I still need money to live.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 04:33 PM
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Complaints are cathartic. Sometimes it just feels good to get some personal demons off one's chest.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 03:14 PM
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How are you drawing this conclusion?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 03:11 PM
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If ever there was a thought-terminating cliché in this subreddit-
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 03:59 PM
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Am I talking to a chat bot? Do you only respond in platitudes and thought-terminating clichés? Please, I'm genuinely begging you to substantiate any of your claims with a reasonable argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 03:21 PM
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You do realize that rhetorical structure can and has been applied to feminism (backwards justification for hating men), and Christianity (backwards justification for hating heathens) as well, right? "This theoretical framework is only useful for oppressing my people," is not a useful argument to make, because everybody's making that argument. The redpill is absolutely complicit in harming women, but it is still a school of thought that has influence and impact that need to be accounted for compe…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 02:38 PM
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Dating is expensive too lmao. The idea is that Dating allows a guy to continue to live in the dissonance of wanting "only sex," as they attempt to build a "meaningful interpersonal relationship." They don't have to confront the contrast, because part of Dating assumes both needs will be met if the process goes well
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 02:31 PM
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Worth noting, feminism is a coherent philosophy, and also not a monolith. Christianity, broadly speaking, is a coherent series of religious values, and is broken down into hundreds of specialized sects and faiths in a very similar way. Coherence doesn't necessarily mean monolithic.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 02:17 PM
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This sounds dangerously close to cementing a worldview from personal anecdote, which is common enough, I guess, but I don't really see a lot of utility in this narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 02:11 PM
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This take feels like it crawled out of the 1950s tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 01:39 PM
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Ditto
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 01:39 PM
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Because "simply sex" is a surface-level read, and sex workers can be prohibitively expensive to men who are living paycheck to paycheck.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 01:38 PM
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As a fatherless, lonely man, I would argue there's a much larger conversation about society's obligations to itself than "men really need to look after other men." Ignoring the strange undercurrent of bioessentialism that asserts that "only men can solve this problem," I'm not particularly inclined to believe that men are consciously choosing to perpetuate that system unmotivated. The irrationality of their concerns doesn't make them invalid.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 01:06 PM
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To that end, I'm doing more than my fair share of community engagement. I'm personally choosing to help people with my own volunteer work, but that's not something I'm inclined to impose on others by declaring their fears and anxieties as unreasonable. "Barely hit the needle," is a measurement that only those deciding for themselves whether or not to engage in community engagement can make. It's something approaching arrogance to make that claim in their stead.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 12:54 PM
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A difference in scale, not in kind.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 11:54 AM
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"Don't be a criminal, and there's no reason to fear the police"-ass argumentation
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 10:47 AM
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Do you have a meaningful source for your claim that most men just don't care, or is that an anecdote with the exact same weight as the guys describing that they do care?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 10:45 AM
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Casual sex uncoerced by economic incentives is distinct from long-term relationships. Like I said, some people want to be wanted, and prostitutes don't fill that need.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 01:17 PM
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You literally repeated your argument without changing a single detail. Again, store-bought donuts are fine, and have their place, but that's incomparable to a donut homemade by someone who wanted to see you happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 12:40 PM
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I think this fails to encapsulate the desire to feel desired. Paying for a service worker to assist in some casual masturbation is well and good, but there is less than zero reason to believe said worker desires anything from you but the rather mercenary transaction of the good old come-and-go. It might be a useful economic act, and serve some mechanical functions, but I don't think it addresses the meaningful sense of undesireability that haunts. All things being equal, therapy helps some peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 04:54 AM
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Sounds like a rigged game for scoundrels
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 04:47 AM
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At least one is
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 04:44 AM
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That almost sounds like an improvement, but I'm at least more empathetic than that. Drama would, if nothing else, be more stimulating than stagnation.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 11:53 PM
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Do you not flinch just slightly that the best advice for men on the autism spectrum is just to lie? I may not feel fully comfortable existing unmasked in neurotypical spaces, but the idea that the best way to improve an autistic person's romantic prospects is to teach them not to be autistic is so horrifically bleak.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 11:36 PM
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So his options were constrained.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 03:23 PM
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It's a matter of scale boss. The soreness of lifting beyond your weight class isn't comparable to the dread of not knowing where or when your next meal is, but it is rhetorically prudent to recognize that different people have different frameworks for what is and isn't bearable.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 10:54 PM
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"Kill" and "hurt" are completely different things. Going to the gym might not kill, but to the inexperienced there is a lot of suffering that goes into building that habit.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 10:48 PM
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What is "actual accountability?" I feel like this is a precedent that could be leveraged fairly maliciously.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 10:38 PM
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it never hurts to try
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 10:35 PM
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Define "harm"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 10:33 PM
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All of which is as reasonable an assumption as you're just offering advice out of the kindness of your heart. More reasonable if someone's especially cynical.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 10:08 PM
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You don't have much of a framework for complacent voters do you?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 05:19 PM
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You can be complicit in harm from a place of apathy. Just ask everyone who's bought a Nestlé product.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 03:55 PM
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It would be closer to a woman being upset that she's not a 1950's housewife, but you're dangerously close to arguing that feelings should have some sort of rational origin point or material harm in order to be valid, and I think that's much more necessary to interrogate in this moment. Do you think men aren't fucked up as young as children by ideas of masculinity?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 03:42 PM
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Exactly the same? You know what "comparable" means, right? I feel like you're rather militantly determined to misunderstand me here.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 03:28 PM
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You haven't read Chainsaw Man, have you? It's going to be much more difficult to explain the specific conflation of desires that comes from being told your entire life that you should seek a specific type of satisfaction, and that any other form of emotional expression is simply unmasculine. I don't think you necessarily have the framework to make sense of the "not getting my dick wet is loneliness," that comes with the patriarchal programming of men being expected to throw all their emotional l…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 02:47 PM
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If it never meant that, then people would never use it that way. Besides, this is a particularly fallacious line of thought to begin with. Expecting loneliness to have a specific type of manifestation in all possible cases is like expecting ASD to impact everyone on the spectrum identically. You're not really accounting for the subjectivity of the human experience with this type of claim. Loneliness to you may not come with a sense of intimacy-starvation, but that's no reason to assume such is t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 02:22 PM
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Are we purity-testing loneliness now?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 02:19 AM
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Aren't they? I've seen more than my share of women slutshaming, likening men's behavior to dogs, and decrying what they believe to be "indecent behaviors," for the sake of maintaining their own sense of purity and decorum.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 04:55 PM
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I'd argue that those are broadly the social consequences of an overly puritanical society. The ideas perpetrated by society to regulate sexual conduct are more than a little regressive in my opinion, but they serve a very clear purpose in pushing conversations about sex and sexuality underground. That's not, like, a "men" thing. That's a "society" thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 04:26 PM
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Oh? How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 04:19 PM
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This isn't beating the sex-negative allegations lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 04:13 PM
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It doesn't need to be reciprocal, sure, but that's not what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 04:00 PM
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I didn't say it was regrettable. I said it was temporary, impermanent, conditional. If it were possible to lose, then there were conditions to its maintenance.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 03:58 PM
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While it lasted? That sounds like a loss, my dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 03:52 PM
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This is... measurably false?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 09:08 AM
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Then how did you lose it?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 09:05 AM
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Who exactly patched meaning into life? Did I miss that balance patch, because I have opinions on the idea that life is "meant" to be challenging.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 02:40 PM
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You need happiness to live. Survival means shockingly little in an apathetic universe.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 02:59 PM
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For survival, not especially for happiness
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 02:54 PM
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It isn't your responsibility, sure, but it is still a distinct limitation on your ability to make sense of foreign perspectives. You may never need the skill, but it is still a skill issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 02:49 PM
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If you cannot see how someone reached that point, how exactly are you going to see the ways out,
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 02:46 PM
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That sounds like a skill issue, to be honest. You're limiting the amount of human experiences you could reasonably make sense of via your own revulsion.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 05:39 AM
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survive You need money to Survive. People need love to live.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 05:12 AM
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But - but relationships aren't supposed to be transactional - Listen, bossman, I'm sure you know this already, but people get really steamed when you reduce the mechanics of human relationships to mere exchange of value. I don't know what it is, but people seem utterly convinced that there's some transcendent property there that defies such narrow analysis.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 05:10 AM
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Do you intend to take personal responsibility for how you interpreted a text that was offering a clear juxtaposition between similar behavior and motives?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 10:44 PM
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Me personally? I'm generally going about cyberspace advocating for a bare minimum regard for the literalist. You'd be surprised how many people look over their nose at online weirdos for not reading the subtext in a reddit post, even after knowing how many people in these spaces are thoroughly ASD. It may not necessarily be ableist, but it feels dangerously close, y'know? As a general rule, I try to intercede in those spaces, because it feels a little inhuman for the human experience to require …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 04:11 PM
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I think with enough social pressure, any change is possible. That's part of the reason communities exist, no? Advocating for the change you want in the world is the second step in bringing that change about, immediately after bringing that change forth in yourself. Could you imagine how dismal the world would be if the the sufferagettes were only able to change how they thought about the world?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 03:58 PM
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We're equating the argument of "just because you believe something, that doesn't mean everyone else does," to all possible permutations, friend. We don't exactly live in a world where humanity is humanized, and under this argument specifically, we shouldn't. Personally, I'm not particularly inclined to concede to the perspective of a nonsensical status quo, but hey, maybe I can dock a few points off my self-evaluation to consider the feelings of everybody else.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 03:55 PM
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An excellent argument for abandoning one's self-regard. "You might think you're a human being worthy of love and respect, but if the rest of the world doesn't, then why insist you are?"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 03:40 PM
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It does throw the rubric into question, all things being equal
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 03:23 PM
1

Why do you think objectivity is required in a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 03:21 PM
1

No, objectivity exists, it's just not required for interpersonal relationships in a lot of cases. The appeal to objectivity is used a lot in religious circles as an appeal to some sort of transcendent truth, but I find that doesn't really need to be employed in informing people that their actions can be harmful, or stressful, or antisocial, or noble, or the like. Physics may be objective, but people very rarely are. If you're willing to regard someone's inner world with the same empathy and nuan…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 03:16 PM
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Sure, but that's mutual consensus, not objectivity. A shared reality doesn't necessarily mean an objective one.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 03:12 PM
0

What do you do about the presumption of misogyny?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 03:11 PM
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Why must we agree in those definitions? It's at least possible for me to communicate while understanding that someone else has a wholly different framework for existence than I do. Making sense of how people broadly navigate social or intimate spaces is part of the same skill, and it relies more on consensus than objectivity.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 03:10 PM
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The framing of this argument seems a little contemptuous, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 10:37 PM
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There's an expression ask demographics being monolithic that I think springs to mind here
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 10:01 PM
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Perception does inform reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 07:58 PM
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I was confused about this too. It shows up too often in this discourse for me to take it at face value.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 05:12 PM
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An individual who is pleasant to be around.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 04:21 PM
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Having your own life in order, with a sense of who you are, what you stand for, and where you plan to go next.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 04:18 PM
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"Actually making it a bit easier," is certainly far from doing nothing, I'd claim. Opting to reorganize both of your lives so that the two of you are doing less work together than you would apart does sound like a chore, because that requires a level of attention and effort that I would categorize as "above the bare minimum." Redpillers may be unhinged rationalists one bad day from outright nihilism, but it's crazier for me to wrap my head around "the bare minimum," still being "work hard enough…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 04:13 PM
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So the options are, if i have this correctly Remain single Remain single- redpilled Perform enough emotional regulation for two people
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 03:52 PM
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Define "bare minimum"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 03:12 PM
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It may be hard to read sarcasm through text, but "Druggies are great girls!" seemed a little cynical.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 10:59 PM
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Druggies can be great people. Addiction is not a moral failing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 10:51 PM
10

Art eyes dont make things much clearer, boss.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 12:18 AM
3

Correct, and pretty frustrating to boot.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 10:01 PM
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How much they matter is an unsolved equation.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 09:46 PM
2

That's the vibe I'm circling myself, honestly. It feels like a pretty normative claim that nobody in the world gets something for nothing, and trying to map exactly which exchanges lead to which outcomes is very ND-Coded
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 05:25 PM
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well, men are the ones who use whore as an insult. Not just men, and I'd argue not even mostly men. Men weren't the ones spearheading the outrage campaigns against Chappel Roan, Sydney Sweeny, or Bonnie Blue, for example. would you be emotionally fulfilled if nobody ever actually spoke to you, just gave you money? No, I'd have money. Likewise, if my employers never paid me, and just gave me a hug and assurances of my humanity, I'd still be broke, even if I was emotionally fulfilled in my poverty…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 05:22 PM
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I'm of the mind that I should occupy a personal philosophy that helps people. If everyone thought like me, I would want the world to be better for it. Gassing out on empathy doesn't make for a more reasonable world in my estimates, especially if the average moral position on empathy is "I'll only care about people who care about me."
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 05:13 PM
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In theory, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 05:05 PM
2

Basically. They're both transactions, but "men are at least honest about it," is the vibe I'm getting here.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 05:04 PM
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I legitimately had a debate with a guy who compared women who want an emotional connection before sex to prostitutes, because both are transactional. . . . Sex work is work, all things being equal. But additionally, emotional security and connection is not super different from cash in terms of currency. The only problem I see with this premise is the idea that sex workers are worse people for having clearer hoops to jump through than "make me feel safe and loved." the poster is saying it's not s…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 05:03 PM
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Men use the word transactional as a negative most of the time. This doesn't pass the sniff test to me. "Transactional" is most commonly used in the idea that "relationships aren't transactional," which is an idea promoted mostly by the blue-pillers and women in this subreddit. This says two things to me, both that women are the ones perceiving transactions as inherently negative, and that blue-pilled rhetorical strategy believes natural exchanges of energy are somehow distinct from how I'd categ…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 04:40 PM
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So how does that make it non-sincere Dunno, I'm not OP. I think sincere transactions can exist, and I'd argue that the exchange of formalities is a pretty popular form of insincerity. If you smile at someone and they smile back, is it not sincere because you smiled first? I guess it depends, doesn't it? If they smile back because they're afraid I'll walk across the street and demand they smile otherwise, then it's not sincere, its a survival tactic. You guys just want to pathologize everything w…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 04:22 PM
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I don't think it's a new buzzword so much as it's just a mechanical description of a phenomenon that's commonly taken as a good. The idea that "if you perform this labor, this reaction will occur," is by definition a transaction. Reactive attraction, by virtue of responding to stimuli, is a transactional response to "something" a guy does.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 04:14 PM
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STP is quite possibly my favorite love story of all time, and there's a really fascinating gendered read about how men and women are placed in a system wherein the most frequent means of contact and connection they can access is the inflicting of pain upon one another.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 03:56 PM
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We are a social species boss, if we see one of our own getting ready to poison themselves, I think there's reason enough to express concern, if not intervene.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 03:54 PM
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I feel like you would enjoy a visual novel called Slay the Princess. It deals a lot with ideas of love and pain, especially the idea "can we love someone we hurt?" And i feel like it makes a fairly compelling argument for the idea that "loving someone" doesn't make you magically exempt from "causing someone harm."
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 05:28 AM
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That's also true. That's why it's a community effort, so nobody needs to take the single duty of managing their community.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 03:23 AM
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You're right. That's why it's important that the people trying to regulate communities are themselves well-regulated. There's a difference between the digital panopticon of the Tea app, and just checking your boys when they start representing a danger. You don't need to be a cop to make sure your brother isn't bragging about keeping his women in check.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 12:36 AM
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To be fair, community justice is something that everybody should be responsible for. To do otherwise would just be handing a free pass to abusers to do whatever they want, or outsourcing justice to a police force that still disproportionately arrests men in situations where de-escalation would be preferable.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 12:28 AM
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Alright, "choose better" is bad advice. What next?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 09:47 PM
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I think any imposition of gendered standards from an outside force is dangerous, but I'm not entirely certain the standards you're seeing are the ones being imposed.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 07:11 PM
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Not to the exclusion of biological distinction. You're missing a few intersections if you think everyone is subject to identical social forces.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 06:35 PM
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This is a foundational misrepresentation of feminist thought, even at conception. The argument most feminists present is not that "men and women aren't different." It is that "men and women are deserving of equal treatment." The trouble, I find, is that feminists are not the ones telling people what feminism is, and that can make the layman very easily innoculated against feminist thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 05:40 PM
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Oh. So this is just ragebait.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 07:32 AM
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Grim
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 09:48 PM
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I'm not particularly inclined to consider the pursuit of catharsis a waste of time. I don't really agree with your premise there.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 08:12 PM
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I'm not really sure holding up "some women" as an example of them not taking the advice they give to men is an exceptionally useful framework. It's kinda like saying "some Asians are good at math," to justify the model minority stereotype.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 07:40 PM
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Different demographics require different language to communicate similar ideas. Unfortunately, there's something of a language barrier between men and women that makes ideas one group might take as a given into a 102 course on how that group sees the world. This isn't really a "woman exclusive" trait, and it shows up a lot in spaces where different subcultures find themselves arguing about what they believe to be common sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 07:30 PM
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At all?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 07:28 PM
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Poor male behavior like "asking to split the bill,"
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 05:10 PM
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If videogames were purely childish, there'd be no reason for the M rating. Games are for everyone. Also, there's no reason a struggling man couldn't want better for themselves and want to jack off to characters in fantasy settings without imaginary feminists conditioning them to think their desires are inherently predatory.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 02:49 PM
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Hands and Imagination created "no mercy." Not for nothing, but the changing social ecosystem isn't gonna be all sunshine and rainbows for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 06:29 AM
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Man, I love when my children play The Last of Us Pt.2. They really enjoyed the thematic depth of Yuri Lowenthal saying funny curse words as the multiple-hour-long condemnation of cycles of violence and retribution slowly conditioned them to higher and higher acts of brutality- Jesus christ man, how high is the horse you're on?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 06:27 AM
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Would you expect the average citizen of the confederacy to be an abolitionist?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 03:29 PM
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No, that's a man treating their wife as a whole ass person If we broke down those behaviors into a list, sacrificing free-time, working full time, nursing someone to health, buying gifts, and kissing their forehead before leaving, I can't immediately identify any behavior that immediately and uniquely implies recognition of personhood. A father could do most of that for their kids, and kids are almost ubiquitously seen as non-persons until their age of majority. Hell, capitalism sells the myth t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 01:14 AM
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I think you're conflating "encouraged," and "not discouraged."
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 11:28 PM
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The contradiction is holding apathy and contempt in the same space. You're either lying about how little you care, or are being openly hostile to something you know very little about.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 11:13 PM
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So you don't give a fuck about them But you do think they should be looked down on And you don't see the contradiction there?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 11:06 PM
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I didn't say it was a crime. I said it was a lie. Not all lies are criminal
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 07:41 PM
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You're proposing guys manipulate the truth to present their most beneficial aspects. Do you know what it is called to manipulate the truth?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 03:20 PM
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I didn't say you should volunteer your failures. I said that choosing to be duplicitous about how the truth is presented is lying. Don't get me wrong, it's a useful skill, and I'm not gonna say you shouldn't lie to get the job you want, but you should at least acknowledge that manipulating the truth for personal gain is both lying, and something everyone does.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 03:15 PM
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one shouldn't be telling the exact truth about all of one's potential deficiencies This is called "lying"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 02:36 PM
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But not, notably, no abuses. Sorry dawg, that's just capitalism.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 04:19 AM
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I care.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 06:54 PM
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Ever work at Amazon?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 06:45 PM
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Am I not included in "Everyone?" Is your normative generalization still correct if "not everyone agrees?"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 01:50 PM
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They're also not motivated purely by some inherent sense of evil. There's like 30 sociocultural failsafes that failed to inhibit a particular outcome in those cases, and those require examination just as readily as whatever justification the offender buys into for their actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 01:49 PM
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Your love seems to come contingent with the obligation of excellence. I hesitate to call that love.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 07:46 AM
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"Learning to market oneself," without "playing games or trying to pretend to be someone they aren't," is a fairly contradictory concept, no? Putting your best foot forward necessarily requires downplaying your bad side, which is a pretty duplicitous course of action.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 07:44 AM
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And this tiptoes dangerously close to an appeal to purity. The sort of argument someone who believes "only rapists, murderers, and abusers would feel empathy for rapists, murderers, or abusers" would make.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 07:14 AM
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I think it's poor praxis to deny the humanity of criminals, or to construct a narrative of good guys & bad guys when we have more than enough data on crime to indicate that most people can be driven to it by circumstance.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 07:11 AM
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I don't profile everyone as thieves until proven otherwise. There are entire weeks where I've left my front door unlocked to no ill effect. To assume everyone in the world is just opportunity and impulse away from criminal action is deeply cynical.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 07:10 AM
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Do you think it is possible to advocate for the dismantling of a rhetorical strategy without condemning that strategy? Like, is it within the realm of possibly to see something happening, notice its limited utility, and advocate for an alternative without declaring the initial problem as something reprehensible?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 06:51 AM
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Dunno. I'll think about that when OP clarifies their position.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 06:18 AM
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Condemnable, sure, but I'm not convinced that's the most effective strategy available. Condemning misogyny has only been so effective, let alone condemning misogynoir. I doubt the most effective solution to misandry is a failing solution for misogyny, and I doubt that's the solution OP's advocating for.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 05:54 AM
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OP didn't make a conclusion, only a claim. I could assume intent and say "OP is arguing that misandrists are directly responsible for misogyny," but I don't have the inside track on intention there. It's more practical for me to conclude that OP is describing one phenomenon of many, and trying to examine how this phenomenon specifically gets swept under the rug of the many other social forces motivating misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 05:43 AM
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Nice. I wish the other 4.1 billion men on the planet operated exactly like you. How can we get the average guy to your enlightened moral position?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 03:49 AM
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Condemnation will not stop people who already believe they're being persecuted. A more robust answer may be required
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 02:13 AM
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Is this praxis or catharsis?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 02:12 AM
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I'm very curious about how simple it would be for men, as a demographics, to just be moral, as determined by whichever cultural standards you think will work best. How easy do you think that process would be to achieve?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 02:10 AM
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Not even if the laws used to justify that action will inevitably be expanded to include your daughters? Like I said, legislation used to punish sex workers will be expanded to control the actions of laypersons. If you don't think whores and junkies are worthy of basic human decency, that's a skill issue on your part, and that very apathy will be used to hurt you in the long run.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 05:27 PM
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No, all things being equal, I dont expect you to care even if I recount to you directly how Sesta/Fosta ushered in a hilarious new age of digital censorship under the guise of protecting women from human traffickers. I could point out several historical examples of how sex workers have been used as the wedge issue to further limit the rights of a broader population, and still not surpass your personal investment in looking down on people who engage in sex work. I can say that you should be motiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 05:08 PM
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See what I mean? It's going to take months to explain how team wealthy man uses the position of women as social leverage to justify abuses against team poor people. You have to build a framework for analyzing these dynamics on a level beyond simple gendered binaries, or you'll fall for easy narratives of victims & victimizers. It's the LBJ quote about tricking the lowest white man into believing he's better than the negro all over again.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/07/25 07:08 PM
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The idea that there a "team man," that somehow supersedes the class interests of "team wealthy elite man," is why I suspect you're struggling to grasp the complementary forces of patriarchy, capitalism, and white supremacy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/07/25 05:25 PM
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And then they came for me, and there was nobody left to speak out-
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 04:53 PM
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A bad man doesn't negate that men are still the institutional majority.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/07/25 04:52 PM
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This doesn't sound like it's a perspective informed by talking to any sex worker interested in more organized advocacy projects. Also, there's a wierd piece of rhetorical slight of hand in the idea that decriminalization is somehow an incentive to engage in sex work, as opposed to criminalization just being a mitigating factor putting people who engage in that type of stuff at risk. It paints the conversation as SW being something we're either praising the virtues of, or reviling with all the we…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 09:04 AM
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Because they're often victimized by the same forces putting your life under pressure? Because they're people worthy of the same rights, respect, and care that every other person should have? Because we have a historical precedent of targeting Sex Workers with uncharacteristically puritanical laws, and then expanding those laws to affect wider and wider demographics under the auspices of protecting the vulnerable? Nobody's asking you to Moonlight as a bouncer on the local street corner, but bare …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 09:00 AM
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"Left up to the states," historically, has been duct tape on some fairly dubious arguments. See: "abortion should be left to the states,"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 08:56 AM
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Are you unironically advocating for harm to befall a population? If someone's goal, politically speaking, is to "protect sex workers," then practically speaking, doing shit like banning them from the internet, arresting them when they come forward with abuse stories, allowing credit card companies to refuse payment from the most common digital platforms, or publicly shaming anyone who falls into Survival Sex Work or Human Trafficking are the least effective measures one could pursue to "protect"…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 08:42 AM
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What's a Simp?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 05:13 PM
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Men still hold the majority in government, corporate, and cultural seats of power.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/07/25 02:54 PM
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That sounds a lot more layered than "simple."
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 08:06 AM
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All of it? Does it strike you as some kind of impossibility that a guy could use OF without being trapped by it?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 11:50 PM
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Hyperbole is the start of many great thought-terminating clichés
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 11:46 PM
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Simple?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 11:41 PM
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This is absolutely "dont think about elephants" advice. "Shove the things you want down, way down, and focus on literally anything else, then maybe people won't find you so rancid to be around." Frustrating.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 09:47 PM
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Oh absolutely not. I'm willing to bet this will only accelerate unless there's some kind of robust social intervention strategy
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 03:51 PM
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Trends are trends for a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 03:49 PM
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And if you assume all people are always lying, as a matter of common etiquette?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 12:37 PM
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Is it hating women to know they're as capable of free choice and presentation as men?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 12:32 PM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 12:25 PM
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I think "just be aro," might be up there with "just sleep with men," in terms of deflection lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 11:12 AM
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Nothing like hearing claims like "winner" and "loser" as if they're mechanically distinct from "high value" and "low value"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 10:17 AM
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You're reading an assertion I didn't make. I'm not claiming that one's identity is only a matter of self-perception. I'm claiming that one's self-image should take the lion's share of how they choose to perceive and present themselves. One's Gender identity is not all they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 11:27 PM
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How does "people's identity are a matter of self-perception," ignore the influences of social pressures and genetic factors? Perception doesn't spawn into existence from a vacuum.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 10:54 PM
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Recognizing sex-gender distinction isn't a philosophical position. It's a matter of recognizing lived experiences under a societally-constructed framework of being. Biology alone doesn't account for how people are conditioned to think, believe, and function in community with each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 10:30 PM
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This is a question I'm curious to see the answer to. If you tried everything and still failed, there's only a couple rebuttals offered in this space, and I'm already making my bet on which one is going to be used.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 07:26 PM
5

The joy of negative reinforcement loops
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 07:21 PM
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Is it? Fun conversations with strangers have broadly been exhausting in my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 07:01 PM
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This is actually cool as hell.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 06:41 PM
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A dialectic is a pair of simultaneous truths. "Patriarchy hurts men," is true, because it imposes a series of near-impossible roles and obligations for men to aspire to. More often than not, these aspirations are a path to stress, grief, and an early grave as a result of subservience to other forces (capitalism, white supremacy, we all know the song and dance by now-) "Patriarchy unfairly privileges men," is true, because the end result, the self-perpetuating mechanisms of patriarchy establish a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/07/25 08:03 AM
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It sounds to me like fudging the numbers for simplicity's sake. Why does a fully functional sex organ determine someone's gender? Edit: spelling.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 07:32 AM
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So the two sexes are, by your standards "Man," "Woman," and "Arguable?" Does that sound like two to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 07:28 AM
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a painful learning curve is a good price to pay for a life of being able to take social risks in the pursuit of friendships, sex, romance, etc. That sounds like a pretty unverifiable claim. The price of admission seems much steeper from where I'm standing, and personally, I'm not a fan of anything that requires receiving pain to gain a benefit.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 07:25 AM
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your body is either a man or a woman. What are intersex people?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 07:21 AM
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Don't fix what isn't broken. This is a thought-terminating cliché. The fact of the matter is that we have many, many human beings who don't fit cleanly into the binary constructed by people who think biology is as simple as XX = Woman, XY= Man. There's multiple persistent cases where those aren't true, and multiple cases wherein someone is born with just an X chromosomes, or an XXY Genotype. Those conditions, by consequence of appealing to a narrow, simplistic worldview, are constantly excluded …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 07:04 AM
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You're arguing for geocentrism, boss. Why is it so difficult to keep up with the expanding scope of scientific progress here?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 06:53 AM
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Where do we account for Swyer's Syndrome?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 06:49 AM
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how about stop being on their phones all the time and force themselves to talk with people. Taking risks does make people better at managing risks, sure, but why take a risk when you know the first, second, third, fourth, and fifth attempts are going to be painful failures? Some people were lucky enough to have a controlled environment to try new things in, like a high school or a university setting, but those spaces are optimized for putting people in proximity to one another. Not everyone gets…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 06:46 AM
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The common points of conversation there are usually talking about how scuffed the pandemic was to an entire generation's social skills, but there's also a persistent economic downturn which is putting a lot of people in survival mode. Risking is riskier when you have less to lose.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 05:42 AM
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Not for nothing, but if the vast majority of human beings would willingly subject themselves to the risk of emotional vulnerability in exchange for human connection, I dont think it follows that all humans should be comfortable with that risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 05:10 AM
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How many spins of the romantic roulette wheel are expected before it's reasonable to consider spinning the wheel to be too much effort? Like, between 50 & 500000, how many tries should someone be able to take in stride before reckoning with the idea that gambling just isn't healthy?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 05:02 AM
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Call it a utopian ideal. Personally, it would be quite nice to be able to approach someone, flatly ask for sex, a hug, hell even a conversation lengthier than "nice weather we're having, eh?" Without the endless social tightrope of acting 'normal,' but we haven't quite reached that place in society yet. I'm not particularly fond of the way people flinch at me when I do anything even remotely autistic, so I've gotten pretty good at acting, but as I'm sure you can tell, acting is just lying with g…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 09:19 PM
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Why should the pain of rejection be part of the game? Why is that a necessary feature?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 09:12 PM
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I definitely think the larger social atomization builds this situation up a lot. Women, historically, have practically been trained for the ordeal of tracking down and building community as a survival mechanism. Now that guys need to build those skills themselves, the disparity in competence is basically being brushed off as guys not trying hard enough to master a skill they didn't realize was a skill until relatively recently.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 06:44 PM
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So, if I'm reading this correctly. Women aren't harder to date, they've just raised their standards to exclude a higher population of men than was previously acceptable to settle down with. I may be missing some details, but this sounds like saying, "Women aren't picky, they're selective." That's is a distinction without a difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 06:11 PM
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What is the intrinsic value of a human?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 08:09 AM
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I'm not sure I track the thread on this one Thinking that having a vagina brings value is why men in this subject struggle to maintain any kind of romantic or platonic relationships. Could you clarify this point somewhat? It seems wierd that guys are struggling to maintain any kind of relationship for thinking there's something valuable about "having a vagina." That's like blaming guys for being single because they're "interested in women."
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 08:08 AM
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Autistic sounds pejorative here.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 08:01 AM
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Yeah, this seems like an attempt to bait a discussion than dissect a premise.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 10:51 PM
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W thread
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 09:28 PM
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Why is it odd? Dude sacrificed every chance he had on the altar of capital.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 07:12 PM
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Then you lack imagination, bossman. Out of billions of people in the world, it's one hell of a gamble to assume not a single one feels differently. Ask Elon if he'd rather be loved than powerful.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 07:08 PM
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I'm not sure everyone has that choice, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 07:00 PM
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I feel compelled to reiterate that if you're asking for empathy in one hand and talking about how fragile men are in the other, you are definitionally asking for a free pass to insult someone. "Man, just let me get this off my chest. Women are so shallow. they never seem to ask about my interests or feelings, they just expect me to be the guy willing to sit and listen to their day, even the nicest ones never really listen when I talk about the things I enjoy," is not a particularly productive fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 01:10 PM
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The truth is even a good man can have a fragile ego and you'll always have to walk on eggshells just so he won't feel "disrespected" on even the most unreasonable things, like saying "No." Because for them, "No" means they have no control over you. Crazy! These are your claims, boss. If your conversation is about how uniquely exhausting it is as a woman to have to put up with the emotional fragility of even a "good," man who still foundationally desires to control you, that's not a belief indica…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 12:57 PM
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So for the sake of appealing, it's more practical to feign optimism in the face of the bleak reality that "most people dislike cynics." Are you advocating for deception or reprogramming here?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 12:43 PM
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This is a strangely universal claim for a species that shouldn't have universal habits.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 12:40 PM
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Again, nothing here is especially debatable, but it sounds like you wanted a shoulder to cry on or to bitch about how soft men are moreso than any kind of practical conversation. Why is this conversation in debate, as opposed to r/vent, or r/I_dont_like ? More specifically, why is this place the designated safe zone for gendered distress, compared to any other subreddit?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 12:33 PM
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Ah, the correct answer in that case wouldn't be to respond to this like it was categorized as a debate, then, huh. Yes, it feels bad to be the one footing the emotional bill in a relationship. That's unpleasant, and hopefully, you'll find a guy better than the best guy who's still sensitive to engaging with a framework utterly foreign to him. Until then, it seems like you're probably going to have to do the exact same thing the typical inkie is told to do in situations wherein their expectations…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 06:11 AM
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Is this a type of problem unique to women? Do gay men have the same quagmire of norms to navigate? Do men not have to put up a constant performance of vigilance to ensure that their partners feel seen, heard, valued, and present in relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 06:04 AM
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Your tag is amazing BTW. I empathize with being an overwhelmed millennial.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 02:11 PM
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Did you read me saying that was one of the premises I disputed? As in "I don't agree with that point, and here's why," disputed?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 01:59 PM
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Missing out on riveting cultural commentary from the likes of Brett Cooper & Candice Owen's, are we? I envy your narrowed field of view. To the point I was attempting to illustrate, even if Sabrina specifically was facing criticism from queer spaces alone, I was trying to draw attention to the fact that we still live in a culture distinctly ruled by puritanical concepts surrounding sex, sexuality and female agency. Capitalism may be trying to extract twice the labor from women these days thanks …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 01:57 PM
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There are two premises with this that I disagree with. The first premise is that "being," blue-pilled sets someone apart any more effectively than "acting," blue pilled. People historically have been incredibly easy to lie to, especially when they convince themselves they aren't. The second is that the vast majority of men nowadays are red-pilled. Luckily, we don't live in that sort of hellscape yet, but the old shadows of masculine & feminine gender roles continue to haunt a lot of what is expe…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 07:39 AM
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Not many, but I'd wager enough of them are out and loud enough to lower the bar for everyone else, including the liars competent enough to take advantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 07:30 AM
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I'm personally of the mind that pain is an indicator that something has gone wrong, and that it's reasonable to be avoidant of any space where suffering is just the cost of doing business. Too many spaces can very easily build up the argument that pain is good, that it confers worth or value in your ability to endure, to restrain yourself, to embody discipline as you suffer in silence for me to take any argument about the natural place of pain uncritically. It is not virtuous to endure, even if …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 06:00 AM
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That does raise a larger question about what exchanges need supplementary compensation. The argument about uneven distribution of labor in relationships is still an ongoing conversation from one pair to another, and I highly doubt the neurotypical romantic is going into marriage thinking about it like a contract negotiation.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 11:45 PM
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Yes, I know, it's quite frustrating to be told otherwise, and yet it's a persistent idea in dating spaces that relationships should somehow be natural, but not transactional. I have made these exact bullet points in other conversations with other people because social creatures like people are inherently driven to conduct these types of exchanges all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 11:35 PM
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What are the terms you'd use?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 11:24 PM
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"But relationships aren't supposed to be transactional-"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 11:23 PM
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Emphasizing certain things to the discretion of others is a lie by omission. By that metric, being "business appropriate," is about as deceptive as using a "customer service voice," which is a normal, common lie people use all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 11:13 PM
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There's a conversation about Averages that I think is worth adding to this discussion. During the early days of aeronautics, when the U.S. military was trying to make standardized seats for their air force pilots, they made a rather intuitive mistake of trying to engineer the seat around "the average person." When pilots got into the cockpit, most of them voiced a measure of discomfort or difficulty working within the confines of those averages, because wouldn't you know it, the physiologically …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 10:45 PM
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An appeal to definitions is a pretty weak way to argue for perpetuity. Unless you're arguing that a definition can be better refined to limit exceptions, I'm not buying the idea that exceptions are just given. More importantly, language is known to change and adapt to reflect more nuanced understanding of things all the time. We better understand what manhood is, so it's dumb to stick to a definition that has proven its failing utility.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 04:45 PM
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You would call men with De La Chappelle syndrome women? Why? The purpose of a category is to include all things of that category and exclude all things outside of that category, and I dont think chromosomes include all men, or exclude all women for that matter. We have plenty of situations where someone chromosomally xy develops into what would be called a woman from the layman's view, people with Swyer's Syndrome for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 01:13 PM
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The thing is, your definition doesn't just exclude women. What do call a man with xx chromosomes? If manhood is stored in the chromosomes, then by your definition, any abberant gene expression could kick someone out of the "man" category even if they present as such.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 12:35 AM
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The trouble with this argument is that it is trans-exclusionary. If "manhood is stored in the chromosomes," trans men aren't men. This argument has been dissected ad-nauseum, but I'm sure you have some revolutionary new angle that both validates the existence of trans people, and upholds the biological reality of sex and gender being synonyms.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 09:42 PM
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Is manhood stored in the dick? Does that not seem like an incredibly bio-essentialist argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 09:33 AM
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It's crazy how few of these statistics actually dispute feminist thought on the pervasive harms brought about by patriarchy. Like, throwing stats at the wall and saying "look, men have it rough too," doesn't provide a cohesive framework for how or why men have it rough, but if there were hypothetically a social order that values male disposability as a means to generate power and influence for a key class of person, I wonder if that system might have deleterious effects for anyone who can't effe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/06/25 05:02 AM
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This isn't the framework applied by feminists writ large, and hasn't been since at least the second wave Feminism has been attempting to engage with gendered systems of oppression on every angle, that's why TERFS are so consistently ostracized, because women as a class don't deserve any particular exaltation on the basis of their sex. I strongly recommend reading some bell hooks, because there's a lot of text about how feminists orient themselves around their real enemy, and how that enemy impac…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/25 06:54 AM
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And part of that thought does require identifying systems. You cannot end crime without a systemic understanding of poverty. You cannot solve two hundred years of economic mistreatment without understanding how historical factors have been leveraged against entire populations. It's not a matter of "dividing people," because those divisions have already been made by people already rotting in their graves. What is economic justice for a Native American if your only solution ignores the hundreds of…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/25 05:12 PM
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This one's not on the Intersectional Feminists, to be fair. The desire to dogmatically individualize what are percievable social trends on multiple different axis doesn't meaningfully address the problems people do have in common. We need to have a framework for how class, gender, race, ability, and other stratifying factors create common experiences so that people motivated to advocate for improving those systems have the best possible language and strategy for doing so. Without a concept for P…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/25 03:59 PM
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