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Real, mature love is built on want, not need. Lol real "mature" love is an insignificant thing that you can easily do without. Ok that's not ROMANTIC love. Don't change the meaning of the word. Don't change the meaning of the word partnership either. It was taken from the business world where it can be equal or unequal. 49-51 owners of a business are still business partners. This is why i hate feminists. They can't just accept that some people have different preferences and values. They have to …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 09:36 PM
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Yes of course lol. It may sound that way to you because you let passion die as you got older as most people do.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 09:26 PM
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What? Servitude in that context means you do stuff for each other and add to each other's lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 09:19 PM
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In healthy love, both people are equals. This is simply not true. It can be equal or unequal. Our culture decided that "healthy" love is equal in the 70s. People have been falling in love since the beginning of time, long before feminism dictated how language is to be used. They don’t serve each other out of obligation or need for validation — they support each other freely as individuals…without sacrificing their identity or autonomy I never said that they serve each other out of obligation. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 09:16 PM
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Which part is codependency?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 08:47 PM
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Yes of people who did it badly or simply chose the wrong partner. Not every woman wants that. But it is interesting how effectively it solves dead bedroom situations when done rightly with the right person. Not surprisingly at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 08:04 PM
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“Mom” is the key word there. Work full time and raise kids? That’s a second job Most marraiges have kids. It's like the main reason people marry. Do you live on earth? Again are people supposed to have crystal balls? You can vet all you like, doesn’t stop your partner potentially cheating or abandoning you in 10 years time. Again, this is called blaming the victim It's complicated. Relationships require constant work and both partners have to work on themselves to keep themselves looking good. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 08:02 PM
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Sure, enjoy your passionless, calculated partnership.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 07:31 PM
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Ok thanks enjoy your marriage. Good-bye
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 07:30 PM
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I assume this woman works full time too, then sure. And even if she is a SAHM she can still expect some help because it's a ton of work. I think you're misunderstanding what I am saying. This is not the kind of unequal that will fix a dead bedroom and it will surely create one for almost anyone, including red pill women of course. The work has to be shared fairly. No doubt! The unequal part that MRP men introduce (often after addressing these kinds of concerns, which by themselves usually don't …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 07:29 PM
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Romantic love has a particular character. It's PASSIONATE. It idealizes the beloved. You put their happiness above your own because it brings you more joy to make them happy than to serve yourself. You feel honored to be of service to them in any way and they obviously feel the same way about you. If this sounds foreign to you then you have never been in love, which different from merely loving someone like a friend. Who am I to judge what love is? This is the meaning of romantic love that every…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 07:22 PM
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Women can't choose that lifestyle anymore because society is no longer built around it. It was definitely better for many. Most moms don't want to work full time that is for sure. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2007/07/12/fewer-mothers-prefer-full-time-work/#:~:text=Fully%20six%2Din%2Dten%20(,home%20mothers%20with%20minor%20children. When you are (even partly) blaming someone fir someone else’s actions against them, you are excusing them. Are people supposed to have crystal balls? It …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 07:15 PM
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Unless you're agreeing it's not a partnership that's probably for the best What? Sounds like you have no argument. It's confusing because you can have an equal relationship and still have sexual desire. If you go to the marreid red pill sub it's full of men in dead bedroom situations looking to turn their fate around. The ones who do it successfully make their marriages unequal (amongst other things like getting in shape). But if you have plenty of sexual desires in your 50-50 partnership then m…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 07:07 PM
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You clearly have never been in love. And you're nasty! Bye!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 07:02 PM
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See reply to other comments about partnerships. I don't want to repeat myself. Lol how what? What is confusing? Sexual desire is rooted in polarity. Women like masculine men and men like feminine women. Our society admits that this is true with regard to appearance but likes to deny that it's true with regard to behavior as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 06:52 PM
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People should choose the kind of relationship that suits them best. See my explanation of partnerships in my reply to the other user. I don't feel like repeating myself. I do agree that this is a risky arrangement in today's day and age. It was better suited in the 1950s when women could get lifetime alimony. The man is definitely not blameless. What a ridiculous thing to say. Just because someone chose a bad partner it doesn't mean the bad partner is blameless! Of course he is ultimately to bla…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 06:44 PM
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Lol there are equal and unequal partners. The term was widely used in the business world before it became common to apply it to couples (which mostly happened when people wanted to include same-sex couples). In business there are 50-50 partners, 99-1 partners and everything in between. People can structure their business and romantic relationships however they like. It does not mean that they cease to be partnerships when they are no longer 50-50. A partnership is when people willingly work toge…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 06:39 PM
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The ideal partnership is ultimately a friendship. Funny you say that because a friendship is so...non-sexual. And that is precisely how modern 50-50 relationships feel to a lot of us. They are devoid of the polarity that makes people desire each other sexually. A relationship shouldn't complete you and be your end all. Living to serve someone else is a man's fantasy of what women want. In a traditional relationship the man and the woman serve each other. He is providing, she is managing the hous…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 06:15 PM
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An average grandfather in his late 20s-30s wasn't fat, didn't have nerdy hobbies, had a social circle, a home, a career/stable job and regular physical exercise in his life. If that is simply existing, that works today just as well. This is so true. Men prior to the 1960s were also masculine, well mannered, well dressed and well groomed which made them a ton more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 05:01 PM
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Wait what? 93,000 were abused? That seems very unlikely. Can you cite a source?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 09:48 PM
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What are you talking about? That would only apply to a male only space that was focused on work related stuff or was made of people from work only.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 08:35 PM
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What? I don't believe what I am saying? What makes you say that? It's incorrect? Why is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 08:11 PM
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What exactly is the gaslighting here? That personality matters? That doesn't mean it can override ugliness. If you are a 1, you're hopeless unless you can improve your appearance. However, if a man is a 5, a great personality can make him a 7. The same if a man is an 8, a nasty personality can make him a 4.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 07:39 PM
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There are no anti-discriminarion laws that keep you from making male only clubs. Those laws refer to employment only and private clubs are generally free to discriminate even there. This is in the US, other countries may be different.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 07:15 PM
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Did you read my post? Did you read the big bold letters at the bottom that said I am not telling you to date single mothers?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 12:13 PM
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I don't deny that many of them have jobs, and that some may have degrees from community colleges. But if you are seriously telling me that you know many single mothers in their 20s or early 30s with four year college degrees who grew up in the middle class suburbs, i would call you a liar.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 01:43 AM
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Really? Was it like this in the 1950s? Or the 1920s? In the US?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 12:05 AM
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Who raised men in the past?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 11:06 PM
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I had no idea that there were this many men who actually believed that looks didn't matter. The men I knew who were confused didn't realize how much masculine qualities mattered or at least hoped to find a class of women that didn't value them. They were Nice Guys who were constantly friendzoned and they didn't know why. But I had no idea that such a huge number of men on this forum actually believed that looks didn't matter. I can't even to begin to understand that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 09:48 PM
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That's a really good point lol. The double standard is funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 09:18 PM
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I doubt women are willing to compromise than men. And no, no one should tolerate inconsiderate behavior from their partner. What the hell does gender have to do with it?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 08:49 PM
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Very odd how your experience differs so dramatically from mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 08:42 PM
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The obsession is not just with the reason for it but the topic at all. How is it relevant to your dating life? Single moms exist only in the lower classes and middle aged groups. Are you part of either of these groups? If not, you should not be encountering them at all. I don't talk about the reasons not to date thugs with 5 baby mommas because they never enter my world. This is a lower class problem and I don't live amongst the lower classes so it would be odd for me to even think about it in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 08:21 PM
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If that is not what you thought, how is your comment relevant to my post? My post is challenging the manosphere narrative that there are lots of single moms in the dating pool that fucked alpha and are not now looking for beta to raise the kid. If such women exist they very rarely show up in the middle-classes where the vast majority of these men are dating. That was my point. Of course there are plenty of good reasons not to date single moms. This is obvious. I just don't see how it's relevant …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 08:09 PM
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Lol wasn't it women who raised men in the past? Fathers do more parenting now than they ever did. It's not being raised by women that's the problem. It's being coddled and overprotected by Gen X helicopter parents. The same Gen X that was allowed to roam and held to some standards by their Boomer parents. They decided this was negligent and abusive lol. So here we are.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 07:38 PM
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Why do you think that my post was telling you to date single moms?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 06:48 PM
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Another brilliant reply. Won't bother reading any more.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 03:42 PM
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This is a very good point. And the notion that women are as horny as men is bizarre. The female sex drive is reactive and lot more complex. It takes so much more for most women to get aroused and it is so much harder to orgasm. Men just wake up with boners every morning and compulsively think about it throughout the day. I do enjoy sex but I can easily just forget about it for weeks and months if there is nothing there to arouse me. I think this notion that women are as horny as men has led to t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 03:41 PM
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What is wrong with my facts?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 03:09 PM
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Brilliant argument. Exactly what you can expect on this forum.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 02:42 PM
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The confusion is in the term single mom. The stat you're citing refers to single parent households. The 50-50 parents are excluded from that. So yeah if one parent has full custody then it is a woman 8 times out of 10. The stat also includes the lower class single mothers who were mostly never married. And the 50-50 claim referred only to the divorced middle class and middle age women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 02:33 PM
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Your point is?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 01:41 PM
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Sigh, what are you not falling for?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 01:27 AM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 08:06 PM
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This will be my last response because you're not really with us. I AM NOT TELLING YOU TO DATE SINGLE MOMS. The dumb narrative presupposes that average middle class men are told to do this. Middle class people don't even encounter it as an option.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 07:48 PM
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This is surely true. But the lower class, young single mother whose man left her should not be on their radar either unless they inhabit those communities.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 07:45 PM
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The average IQ on this sub is very low. This is by far the biggest problem. The reading company levels here are mostly below fourth grade.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 07:40 PM
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What???
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 07:33 PM
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What? Are you responding to my post? Don't care about what? No one is asking you to care. Grow a spine? What???
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 07:27 PM
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Lol exactly the caliber argument I would expect from someone with your moniker.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 06:59 PM
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I aim to offend as many people as possible with every post I make. I can't decide who I hate more, the feminists or the manosphere types, so if I get to offend both, I kill two birds with one stone. I love how you think that degeneracy spreading to the middle classes is proof that your country is less backward. The stats don't seem to support that though: "Looking at babies born in 2022, the report found that 71 per cent of parents in the higher income quintile (earning £45,000 or more) were mar…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 06:45 PM
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No one is telling you to date single moms. Why are you guys so obsessed with this topic? In the middle classes single moms are rare until you get to middle age anyway. Unless you are middle aged and single or in the lower classes you should not be encountering single moms often enough to have any feelings whatsoever about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 06:12 PM
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“Our study shows 40% of states aim to give children equal time with each parent.”, this doesn’t even show that the reality of parenting is equal within these states. It shows you what the percentage is state by state. In 20 states, almost half the country the father typically gets 50-50 custody. I live in one such state and like I already said it is almost universal among people I meet. I am dating in this pool of people so I talk to a lot of single dads. Regardless, if I don’t have a child it’s…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 06:06 PM
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I don't mean they care about fame. I mean the famous woman, super model Hollywood actress is one of the hottest women on the planet.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 03:04 PM
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Those numbers seem unlikely to be true, is all I can say. I suspect he misspoke or something. I'd have to see that study.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 03:02 PM
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What??? Why would that be? Why would women prefer a single dad to an equally attractive man who is not?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 02:50 PM
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I think he means that there are men that all women want and men that some women are willing to accept. Socially enforced monogamy assures that the men women are willing to accept end up with a mate. Then there are men that no woman wants. These men won't have a mate anyway. Before someone jumps down my throat, men would also prefer fill in the blank of some famous hottie but will accept a much mess hot alternative.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 02:48 PM
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Oh my lord I hear such nonsense all the time. It's thier best demonstration of AFBB.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 02:42 PM
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You must be confusing me with someone else I never made any such analogy and in never denied that single parenthood is harmful. However most of that harm is in the second category of my post.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 02:40 PM
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There is literally a post a few hours before mine lamenting about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 02:38 PM
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Men are generally providers and are inherently turned off by the prospect of potentially supporting another man’s offspring. It may not be a rational perception but it is a deeply ingrained initial perception. It's perfectly rational, and NO ONE IS TELLING YOU TO DATE OR MARRY THESE WOMEN.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 02:35 PM
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I am not fighting sexism. I am not a feminist. I am just telling the truth whether it benefits men, women, liberals or conservatives, and I don't care about stepping on people's feelings in the process.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 02:32 PM
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Great argument. So full of substance.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 02:31 PM
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Women getting custody is quickly becoming a thing of the past. In many states 50-50 custody is the norm. https://www.custodyxchange.com/topics/research/dads-custody-time-by-state.php#:~:text=Politics%20and%20parenting%20time,typical%20parenting%20arrangement%20(32.1%25). And like I said among middle class people in New England it's almost universal.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 02:29 PM
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There are always exceptions and gray areas but overall yes you can fit this phenomena into two categories. I never denied that young single mothers exist. That is category two - the lower classes where having kids with shitty men is the norm. I acknowledge that such women should be avoided and said maybe the manosphere narrative applies there. I don't actually know. However my point was that the behavior of the lower classes has nothing to do with most people. If you live in that strata of socie…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 02:14 PM
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Recently divorced is even worse lol. But yeah I guess if the recently divorced single dad is an 8 and the dude that is having trouble is a 3, then sure, but the same would be true of single mothers. My point is that they are both equally unattractive not that single dads are at the back of the que full stop.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 02:00 PM
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Complex essays??? Lol where? You have to go out of your way to find this stuff because I have never come across anyone telling anyone else who to date, nevermind telling them that they have an obligation to become a father to someone else's child.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 01:06 PM
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Lol what??? A man who has to put his kids before his woman and has half of his life unavailable to her and whose money goes to them is better off than a man without any such burden? The delusion alone in this place is entertaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 12:56 PM
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This may be true, but may i ask how it is relevant to my post? Did I say they were dumped?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 06:35 AM
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One parent families are overwhelmingly lower class. These are the single mothers I agree men should avoid. I am talking about middle class divorced parents in New England. You have any data on that? I have my experience which is overwhelmingly 50-50 custody. "joint custody tends to be the most common child custody arrangement." https://www.traviswalkerlaw.com/blog/most-common-child-custody-arrangement/ This is about Florida but is still relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 06:31 AM
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This is so cringe. I will reply only this once because you are terminally online and hence delusional. I won't engage beyond this. Kids in these scenarios are living proof and constant reminder that yes, she has had sex before you. This is not something that bother me personally, but it bothers many men (see every discussion on body count ever) Western men don't give a shit about this. Except for unusually high body counts the only people who care are people from non-Weatern cultures. There’s th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 06:20 AM
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These men have no problem with single moms, they have a problem with being pushed to date one. Now you're doing the thing you just denied happened. NO ONE IS PUSHING YOU TO DATE ANYONE, LEAST OF ALL A SINGLE MOM You are delusional as I already said. So i won't engage with you. If you reply I won't read it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 06:14 AM
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I don't give a shit about red lines. Say whatever you want to me. But I have no idea what you're talking about either. What is the crux?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 06:02 AM
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Mothers are definitely held to a higher standard but if a man did not have custody of his kids in this day and when 50-50 custody is the norm (at least where I live) I would be super suspicious and I don't think I am alone in this.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 05:52 AM
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There are multiple comments on this thread where men insists that society is trying to force them to date single moms. If there were no animosity, we would simply not hear about them. How much trouble is it to swipe left on a dating app? You don't need to announce it to the world. But manosphere is obsessed with them. Just look at how many posts there are about them on this forum.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 05:12 AM
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Lol mid to late thirties is middle age too. There are plenty of single dads in that demographic. And if they are type 1 women I mentioned, they don't need men to raise their kids because the kid's father is very involved and has him half-time. There is no reason for such women to pursue BetaBux. If anything many of them don't have time for a relationship and are just looking for sex. I think you are one of these people that lives online and imagines stuff about the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 05:07 AM
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There may be something endearing about it but it is a burden ultimately just like single-motherhood is. I assume you don't have your kid full time. Those men are the worst off.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 05:03 AM
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We have already established that single moms only exist among the middle age demographic (where they mostly date single dads) and among the lower classes. Are you part of either of these groups? If not, where the hell do you even find them and how the hell do you know what kind of sex they are having?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 04:47 AM
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But if you're disinterested you merely ignore it, but there is this bizarre animosity. They imagine that someone is forcing them to date single moms.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 04:44 AM
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Good luck with that. Few young women have any interest in much older men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 04:42 AM
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I agree there is no greater misogynist than a bitter incel. The men loved by women, love women. This has always been my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 03:33 AM
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I am a normal person, a rare thing on the internet. I know other normal people. So yes I have normal experiences. But those, dare I say, are the norm! So most men are not desperate losers. And most men who end up divorced at 40 parenting their kids 50-50 are also normal people with normal options
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 02:34 AM
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I have no idea but I seriously doubt that people prior to the sexual revolution were very promiscuous. The birth control options were more limited and the consequences for pregnancy were very severe.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 02:30 AM
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It's a bizarre obsession. They imagine someone is forcing them to date you. It's part of the manosphere delusion I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 02:27 AM
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You may be onto something there.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 02:22 AM
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Lol you can always find dumb people saying dumb things. It's not a common occurrence.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 02:13 AM
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LMAO so true!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 02:11 AM
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People on here really need to touch grass. I have never met the desperate men that all of you are claiming to be. All the average guys I have ever known have had plenty of relationship experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 02:08 AM
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Who does that? I think they get offended when you trash them. I don't see people telling others who to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 02:06 AM
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I mean more often than not people in these scenarios are bad parents, especially when they have kids with multiple men who abandon them. The judgement in situations like this is usually absent entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 02:02 AM
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Life experience darling. Someday you'll have it. But by older I mean the ones in the first category. The middle class women who share custody with their ex. Here is source for you. "The study found that 61 percent of men who fathered children with multiple women had served some time in jail," https://www.childtrends.org/news-releases/one-in-seven-men-will-have-children-with-multiple-partners-by-age-40 I don't think these men are in the middle classes sharing custody with their ex. Femisnts never…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 01:59 AM
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A lot of it is frustration from having seen narratives that you should date single moms from activists for years What narrative is this? Who is telling you to date single mothers? I have never seen this. But you also do have to consider that you likely dont date women and single moms and dont get to see what its like underneath the social and happy mask. I date men, and in my age group divorced men with 50-50 custody are very common. And what happy mask? Ever see the videos of women who make mal…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 01:43 AM
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This applies to single fathers as well doesn't it? So most men on the market in their late thirties and above chose badly.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 01:33 AM
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Lol bluepillers and manosphere types have so much in common. You guys are really on the same team.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 01:23 AM
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It really depends what part of the past you're talking about, doesn't it? Redpillers often want to go back to the 1950s. You're talking about 60s and 70s and later. Yes of course people had more sex then. The generation right before this one was probably the most promiscuous one in recent history.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 01:22 AM
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It's very rare to meet a middle-class woman in that predicament. In the working classes, they are more common.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 01:13 AM
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Sigh I know this was true historically but what does this have to do with what I am talking about? The older single mothers aren't sharing a "baby daddy."
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 01:10 AM
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Perhaps in some sections of the working class this is more common. But it's framed as some society wide problem and it is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 01:06 AM
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Men who end up in the manosphere have a much higher likelihood of having doormat qualities than average men do. If you recognize people pleasing as part of your personality then your dating decisions should factor around that. I think this is true. But honestly most people without kids would rather avoid people with kids. And if you date someone with kids you sure as hell want to avoid someone with 100% custody.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 01:04 AM
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Ok it's the liberal who want to pay these women to have kids. That was my point. This problem didn't exist until they started doing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 01:02 AM
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I am not sure how much this nonsense translates into the real world. There aren't that many women outside the ghettos and trailer parks who have kids with men that abandoned them. And in those contexts they are "normal" I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 01:00 AM
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Did you read my post to the end? I NEVER SAID YOU SHOULD DATE SINGLE MOMS!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 12:56 AM
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What asymmetry?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 12:51 AM
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It's just not relevant. Who the fuck is asking you to raise someone else's kid?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 12:49 AM
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This is correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 12:35 AM
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Lol I don't think inner citiy ghettos are in conservative states and even if they are, the ciities are always liberal. And this problem didn't exist until all the "liberation" BS from the late 60s. When liberals decided to pay these women to have kids and society stopped shaming women for having children outside wedlock. Lol they are not saints is quite a euphemism. There are no words harsh enough for women (and men) who condmen their children to a life of poverty and dysfunction and shamelessly…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 12:34 AM
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No one cares about you choosing to date who you want to date. Let single parents date each other. It's often what they prefer. But if you are still dating in your late thirties for any reason, that's all there will be.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 12:27 AM
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I never said you should marry one. Being a single mom for any reason will reduce your chances of finding a partner, at least in straight relationships. The same is true for single fathers. There is no shortage of such men out there looking for partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 12:25 AM
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Not that I expect you to care about facts, but here they are: "Looking at babies born in 2022, the report found that 71 per cent of parents in the higher income quintile (earning £45,000 or more) were married, compared with 35 per cent of those in the lowest income quintile (earning £14,000 or less), leaving a marriage gap of 36 per cent." https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14500479/Marriage-gap-rich-poor.html
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 12:22 AM
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Sigh this thread is so exhausting. I have lived all over the country and all over the world and in both middle and working classes. My world is not small at all. And I am not saying you should date them Why the hell were you dating these women? I would never date a man who had 100% custody. I would rather be alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 12:13 AM
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Ok thanks for input lol. There is no shortage of trashy people who do awful things because they are awful people but I know liberals can't deal with that. They give them welfare and encourage them to do the same over and over again. The abortion laws (that I am against) are very recent. So, no, the people that I am thinking of were not "forced to give birth" or any such nonsense. And I won't apologize for judging them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 12:10 AM
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I never said you should. But I will tell what, you better get married early on and be sure not to get divorced because past a certain age that's all there is.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 12:03 AM
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I mean they are. There is no way around it. Women who have kids with trash men and let them grow like weeds. How could they not be morally inferior.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 12:02 AM
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I don't disagree. I am just challenging the manosphere narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 12:00 AM
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Did I say they did?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 11:59 PM
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Sorry, how is that relevant to my point?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 11:58 PM
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I do also think it's basic but it's amazing how many men can't figure it out and the men I knew who could not were not clueless in other parts of their lives or anything. I think a lot of men fall into being "Nice Guys" and most women want some edge to man's personality but won't say that and will often deny it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 06:51 PM
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This is just so much BS. You won't necessarily look like your relatives. My mom aged badly but I aged really well. My brother is a giant while I am very short. Also your relatives may not have developed the non-physical traits that make men attractive. Your relatives probably did not get ripped. You don't know what your chances are until you do those things. And honestly even without them, boys just change so much from 14 to 21. You can't predict what the future holds for a boy sexually when he …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 06:46 PM
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Yeah I mean that is true. A lot of it is toxic and stupid. The men drawn to it tend to be men who are riddled with neuroses to begin with so that doesn't help. I do think that it helps some people by telling men to hit the gym, become competent, charismatic, have strong boundaries etc. But the jury is still out on whether it's more helpful than harmful because it is just so full of bullshit as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 06:42 PM
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Women like masculine men. TRP encourages them to act on neuroticism and insecurity which are typically associated with toxic femininity. It literally emasculates them which makes them much less attractive to women Interesting...can you give some examples? I am not sure what you mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 06:10 PM
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I mean the stuff that is always mentioned when this topic comes up. Hit the gym and develop a muscular physique. Groom yourself well, and dress well. There are subteddits that help men do that e.g., r/malegrooming. Develop social skills if you don't have them. Learn to talk to strangers, just chat, learn to enjoy it. Develop interesting hobbies. Participate in lots of activities where you are on contact with people. Develop charm, confidence, and humor.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 06:09 PM
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By the time a boy reaches high school, he should understand the probability that he will be able to enjoy sex with women he is genuinely, uncompromisingly attracted to, and the same for dating and marriage. I think you have given your age up with that one lol. High school boys mature slower than girls and few look like more than little kids. This is why all high school movies have 20-30 year old men playing high school boys. Men don't tend to become attractive until they're older and there is a …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 06:05 PM
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Granted, but as I already said mere observation is not enough for many of them. They need more explicit advice and it would help if women were more self-aware and honest about their own preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 04:07 PM
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It varies wildly from woman to woman. It really doesn't vary that much. This is another unhelpful myth and it contradicts your original comment. You told men to look at men women want and try to emulate them. That implies that there is some commonality between these men. Of course different women also want different things to some extent. Some women want more alpha than others, to use redpill speak. But few women want a pushover "Nice Guy." Few women would be attracted to a man who was not less …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 03:14 PM
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The lack of accountability in the red and black pilled spaces is staggering. I am a woman lol. Men don't even need advice in this area, they can use their simple powers of observation. Step 1: look at the men women date Step 2: look in mirror Step 3: make whatever adjustments necessary to look and act more like men who date I agree with you there. It does seem that simple to me. I mean it's pretty much what women do. But female attraction is also a lot more complicated than male attraction becau…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 03:03 PM
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Sadly, a lot of the conversations on this sub don’t examine how one can make themselves “unattractive” in ways that aren’t physical. There is a very large number of bitter men on this forum who have given up and have no interest in anything other than whining. You can't tell them anything because they have no interest in self-improvement (maybe because they are genuinely hopeless or maybe because they are too lazy to actually try). Most resent having to do anything at all. On the other side, the…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 02:06 PM
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Don't be a pu$$y is the cardinal rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 12:51 PM
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FFS young people don't even know what character is, men or women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 01:06 AM
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No they smell character. You people are so sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 12:42 AM
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That is what many of us prefer!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 04:03 PM
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Really? You should read my post and comment history.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 02:50 PM
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That's your other option.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 02:43 PM
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Be neurotic and suck dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 02:36 PM
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In that case yeah, I am sorry but most women won't date bi-sexual men. However there are some that will. I assume you'll find them in the LGBT community. I suggest you hang out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 02:30 PM
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Most men have no trouble with dicks ending up in their mouths. There is not much else that will undo years of masculine prowess. Masculinity is not as fragile as you think. Just because men can't act like women doesn't mean they can't be human.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 02:09 PM
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Well I didn't say never. Everything happens. Sure what the manosphere imagines happens as well but not nearly as often as they think.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 01:21 PM
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Lol talk about cringe. I don't have too much energy for nonsense so I am not going to do some extended back and forth here. But you sound like the prototypical case of a man who needs to touch grass. All your ideas come from a place other than direct experience, including referring to "society like mine," what? Ignore feminists and all the online bullshit. Lol also about comparing this nonsense you believe to astrophysics 🤣. Just because there is no prescription doesn't mean it's not an ideology…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 05:09 AM
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No this is the dumb ideology that you people are hooked on, to your own detriment. We all mature. Our ideas of what an ideal mate changes. My idea of alpha is not the same as it was when I was 15. It doesn't mean I am settling for a beta. And anyway, an ideal partner will always have a lot of beta qualities for any woman at any age. You kids would be better off partying, getting drunk and throwing up in the parking lot like your parents did at your age instead of dwelling on dumb ideologies fed …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 03:58 AM
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Sorry to cause to cringe but it's the truth. Cringe for me is the unbearable bitterness and delusion that pervades this forum.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 03:40 AM
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They can, once they mature.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 12:02 AM
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Lol it's not that weird to be a virgin at 18. Stop stressing. Women can smell insecurity and you're looking for a reason to be insecure.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 11:27 PM
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I kind of agree that it may be better to educate boys and girls seperstely. However, most teachers have been female since the turn of the 20th century, but this problem of boys falling behind is very recent, so it can't be the reason for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 05:43 PM
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Do you have a hard time understanding human emotion?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 11:03 PM
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Oh good for you, most people aren't like you
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 10:09 PM
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No, show me an example
/r/ExRedPill18/04/25 06:12 PM
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More like 50 years
/r/ExRedPill18/04/25 06:06 PM
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This will be my last response because you have a hard time understanding and I don't want to waste my time. I'm not suggesting a social structure. What??? Every society is a social structure. i'm suggesting you not impose your personal views on how people should act on others. These are not just my views. People will have expectations of others. If those expectations aren't met there will be social consequences. This is always true in every society. > Only women from the upper classes have the o…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 05:05 PM
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Very few people love what they do. It's hard to love something you do for decades and most of the time people stop loving things the moment they have to do them. Finally there just aren't enough enjoyable jobs for people to go around. Most work is drudgery most of the time. Feminism gave choice to some and took it from others. If you want to divorce your husband because he no longer makes you happy (although he is neither abusive or a philandering) to be a single mom working full time then it ga…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 04:48 PM
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Society is not and can never be structured the way you imagine. Some things are promoted and others are demoted. Most people have no idea what they want or who they are. We have different strands to our personalities and only some get developed. This happens due to social encouragement and opportunity to express this or that. Only women from the upper classes have the opportunity to be stay at home moms today because of the way society is structured. Most moms don't want to work full time but th…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 03:57 PM
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Most people would prefer to be coupled, both men and women. Most people are also not fulfilled by their work. This is a strange myth that our society promotes. If you talk to anyone who has worked in X field for 30 years, they will tell you all the reasons not to pursue it. Also most people do not have careers; they have jobs they go to in order to make money. It's not thier reason for being and being liberated to do those things is not some grand thing in my opinion. It may be useful in a utili…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 03:46 PM
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You guys make feminism sound so liberating lol. But we are always limited to the approved forms of expression. You can act like X or Y but people will react to that how they want and this will make most people change their behavior. Society always determines how you can act. To a large extent gender norms were just driven underground. Men can be effeminate but women will reject them. Women can be the breadwinner but most don't want to. Gender norms served the needs of the majority. It was believ…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 03:31 PM
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I mean alimony was limited specifically because so many women entered the workforce and were earning so much that it became antiquated. Mothers are now expected to work full time even though most prefer to work part time. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2009/10/01/the-harried-life-of-the-working-mother/ In the 50s, if your husband cheated on you, you could divorce him and get full custody, alimony and child-support until or unless you re-married in which case alimony would stop.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 02:58 PM
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A man who chooses a nice place that he thinks a woman would like shows leadership. He is not unkind, unless he is just choosing something he wants suspects she doesn't. A guy who asks a woman what she wants is not bad unless he makes her find the place. If he asks what she likes to eat and then chooses a place that has that, he is great!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 10:23 PM
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But this is the thing, for many of us the average penis size is ideal and the largest sizes would not be welcome at all. We have small cavities and are not interested in pain.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 10:19 PM
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Does this contradict anything I said?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 08:25 PM
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I don't think anyone on here said that size doesn't matter only that they didn't want one that was too large. They didn't want one that was too small either though. So size does matter but it doesn't mean it's the bigger the better like most men believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 12:10 PM
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but traditionally redpill relationships have the man as leader and women as follower which ultimately come back to a master/pet relationship, where his wants and needs are going to always come first. Think of someone you know, either in public life or in your own , who you genuinely consider to be a good leader. Does this person put his own needs above the people he is leading? Who would willingly follow such a person?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 07:10 PM
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I just want to add that neither men nor women were made to be independent of each other or to survive on their own. We have always lived in groups, and the notion of independence is very recent and very Western.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 08:46 PM
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I do, it's very common.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 06:08 PM
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Strangely enough intellectual and artistic history is full of sensitive men who were not "oppressed" by the norms of masculinity of their day.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 05:44 PM
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I think women are allowed much more leeway with emotional expression in the beginning.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 05:14 PM
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Lol I suspect that our reactions wouldn't even be very different to the same behavior. Yes a man crying for a legitimate reason is fine. I already said that some emotional expression is fine, and can even be hot or endearing or show that he trusts me enough to show me that side of himself etc. I surely would not be with a man that did not express any emotion other than anger because you can never build intimacy that way. However men crying as often as many women cry, over more trivial stuff (as …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 05:13 PM
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You don't have to worry about dating me because I would never date you. Masculinity is not toxic. Healthy masculinity is fundamentally strength. It does not exclude all weakness or show of emotion of course. However if a man acts like many women do, crying over nonsense all the time, then that's not masculinity. It's not toxic to point that out, it's just honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 04:55 PM
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Yes it very good faith lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 04:31 PM
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It means that they don't have rainbow colored hair, or even long hair. They are well built. They are not into pegging, and they are assertive and not riddled with anxiety.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 04:30 PM
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It's not over being secure in your masculinity. I don't cry at stuff like that because I am not a little girl. But different women have different degree of tolerance for cringe, so I am glad you found your girl ;-)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 04:28 PM
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To avoid women like me just be yourself. We will get the ick from your profile and move on. I am sure it happens all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 04:25 PM
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I am just going to copy and paste the comment above. They don't go off to slay dragons. They just don't violate masculine norms of behavior in the beginning. They are assertive and confident and competent and they make me feel secure in all sorts of ways that I am not even aware of. They are also just mostly traditionally masculine in their behavior, preferences and appearance. It's not performative either it's who they are. They don't know that they are proving themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 04:23 PM
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You are married to your blindness. They don't go off to slay dragons. They just don't violate masculine norms of behavior in the beginning. They are assertive and confident and competent and they make me feel secure in all sorts of ways that I am not even aware of. They are also just mostly traditionally masculine in their behavior, preferences and appearance. It's not performative either it's who they are. They don't know that they are proving themselves. But man if one of them cried over a pup…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 04:21 PM
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I don't think they are made up. I am a woman and see some stuff like this in myself. I need to feel secure with my man or I lose attraction. Once he has proven his masculinity to me, he is free to express some weakness, but not before. I suspect that is what is going on with your experience. And yes I do also suspect that the men having those experiences are not particularly masculine.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 04:08 PM
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Ah so maybe that is why the sort of cringe behavior that you describe in your post was acceptable. Masculine men expressing some emotion is actually hot. If you were not as clealry masculine it would be ultra-cringe and the girl would probably not find it endearing.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 04:01 PM
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Although the icks you listed are bizarre, and I can't imagine having them, you are correct that many icks reveal that progressive women, deep down inside, want masculine men. This is what ultimately revealed my own nature to myself and I ceased bring a feminist because I could not stand the hypocrisy. Most feminist however are not honest, self-aware, or consistent enough to question their own natures, so you get this hypocrisy all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 03:36 PM
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It's paywalled so I read the Wikipedia entry. What a bullshit argument. There were better social safety nets so women had better sex. There actually were not better social safety nets during the Soviet era, nor basic things like diapers that made care for the young and elderly much harder. But even if they were what a laughable conclusion to come to. It doesn't even deserve a reply.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 02:43 PM
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Yeah I don't know, if Eastern Europe is sexually more liberated then that is pretty recent. They were not very sexually liberated during the Soviet era and surely not before that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 03:01 AM
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This is true. The only men I ever encountered in real life that want to fuck one one type of woman and then marry another were all foreigners. And come to think of it that is another major change in Western countries in the last 20 years, the number of foreigners and children of immigrants rose dramatically. Children of immigrants tend to assimilated, at least in the US, but if they are from less popular minorities, they will have trouble dating and this likely explains some of the trouble that …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 06:05 PM
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A lot of the posts I'm seeing on this sub are topics about why women should give more men a chance or lower their expectations. The world just doesn't work that way There is definitely a bizarre sense of entitlement in Zoomers. They have been taught that victimhood gives you power and absolves you of responsibility for your own life - a very self-destruct and dangerous idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 02:58 PM
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I made a post about this two days ago. Stop spreading these lies. Young people who had no money, no thought about marraige, and no expectation of men supporting women were having massive amounts of sex just 10-15 years ago. People have been made anti-social by apps not by the death of patriarchy (their friend groups have shrunk substantially as well). Zoomers are developmentally delayed in all respects. And all but 5% lose their virginity by age 25, (see the post for citation).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 02:45 PM
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It couldn't take him from unattractive to attractive. But it can take him from average to attractive. My first love was an average looking guy that I would have probably swiped left on if we were on the apps. But he was an incredible person who was respected in my friend group, and an up and coming musician with tons of confidence and charisma, so that really made him glow.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 01:46 PM
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This is the only answer for both men and women in abusive relationships. They chose it, only they can end it. No one else can end your relationship for you. If you screwed up so badly that you're with someone you are afraid will murder you, then get a restraining order and go to a shelter (they accept both men and women). We have created these resources for you. We don't need to hear any more about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 11:30 PM
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I take it you have never been in love.
/r/ExRedPill07/04/25 09:26 PM
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This is true of course but they are high on dopamine from their screens.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 05:07 PM
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I really don't think any of that would be effective.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 04:02 PM
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"Marital or spousal rape is illegal in every state, but it's only been this way since 1993. Until 1976, every state had a "marital exemption" that allowed a husband to rape his wife without fear of legal consequences" This makes no sense. It says that there was an exemption until 1976 implying that this exemption was removed in 1976. What does 1993 have to do with it?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 03:22 PM
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Look i don't know if what you say about Tinder is true or false. I am not sure how it could help them. It has to show women desirable men, otherwise women would leave. And there aren't many desirable men on Tinder as it is. But I promise you that there was no fairy tale told to us in the 90s and the 00s about how we will marry and our husbands will support us.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 03:18 PM
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Sexlessness in the high school and college age kids has nothing to do with women's independence. Nearly everyone in that age group is dependent on their parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 02:48 PM
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If you are on this sub where this is the topic of conversation every single day and you never bothered to look up the stats to see if it were true I doubt anything I link is going to help you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 02:32 PM
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When you're in love with someone that person appears to be semi-devine. Everyone else looks bad in comparison, even if they are "objectively" better.
/r/ExRedPill07/04/25 01:38 PM
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Good job twisting my words.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 01:14 PM
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Strength, humor and charisma. By strength I mean having solid boundaries, being in control of himself in difficult circumstances, not being irrationally afraid of anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 12:46 PM
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Lol if you need that explained....nuf said. People who have no life experience have nothing to say. All they can do is parrot something that they've heard. Their opinions are not their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 12:24 PM
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I think junk food should be heavily taxed and with that revenue health food subsidized. Social media and daring apps are on par with alcohol and cigarettes in my opinion: for mature people only.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 12:20 PM
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I didn't think it was necessary to cite stats when those stats have been cited countless times and are all over the news. But yes of course someone on this sub will always ask you to prove that the sky is blue.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 12:18 PM
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Again none of this applies to high school and college kids. They have the same education and no money.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 12:08 PM
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Facts, lol. You may not have but I remember someone did in reply to another post of mine months ago. It's laughable.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 11:57 AM
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Great way to dismiss the obvious stats. I won't bother posting them again. Check other comments if you like.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 11:56 AM
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No I don't. Older people who are not senile have plenty to say that is worth listening to.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 11:54 AM
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Middle age people are naturally anti-social. They have a been there, done that attitude. Young people naturally want to explore the world. Social media existing doesn't mean it has to be the only source of dopamine. It doesn't but that is how it works for many people. "Per the shocking study, nearly half of all Americans — 49% — reported having fewer than three close friends. This marks a nearly twofold increase from 1990, when less than one-third (27%) of Americans had three or fewer close frie…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 11:53 AM
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You went somewhere else with this comment. I am not talking about all technology since the beginning of time but the tech from 2009 to now. And the dating issue has nothing to do with the empowerment of women. That was my point. All these silly ideologies figment of your bitter, sexless imagination.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 11:46 AM
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Can I ask why you think it’s going to balance out in a generation? I don't think it will but I think it could if social media and dating apps were restricted for young people.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 11:28 AM
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Lol I love how they keep pushing this BS. I am sure you'll send me a link from ideologically driven website, like the Democrstic party.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 11:26 AM
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Read the post. None of this applies to high school and college kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 11:22 AM
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Sure, but is that what happens? Or do people get high on their dopamine hits alone at home?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 11:08 AM
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I just think it made people anti-social. Women in the 00s had high standards too. My personal standards have not changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 11:08 AM
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We can push the military enlistment age to 21 as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 11:04 AM
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WTF? I opened your stupid photo, but figured I should see more than a photo. Anyway, you never addressed my point. Let's say this is a legitimate source, it contradicts every other survey. Why should anyone believe it?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 04:40 AM
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It's not letting me crate an account for some reason. Anyway, it contradicts every other survey on the topic so tjet should be enough to dismiss them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 04:30 AM
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Its about high school and college kids. Nearly everyone lost their virginity at 21 before social media. People would have a chance to develop socially. It's good enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 04:25 AM
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Ok do you have a link to a study??
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 04:23 AM
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So? The alternative to that is the trash you get from the sexless, bitter men of the manosphere.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 04:23 AM
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Get me a link to a study. All I get is a photo.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 04:21 AM
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"But it’s not just sex that’s declined among teens; it’s romantic relationships overall. Teens are dating less. A survey conducted by the Survey Center on American Life found that only 56 percent of Gen Z adults—and 54 percent of Gen Z men—said they were involved in a romantic relationship at any point during their teenage years.[i] This represents a remarkable change from previous generations, where teenage dating was much more common. More than three-quarters of Baby Boomers (78 percent) and G…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 04:09 AM
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Treat it the way we treat alcohol and cigarettes. No need to ban it for adults past a certain age, but ban it for young people.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 04:09 AM
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I can't open your link "But it’s not just sex that’s declined among teens; it’s romantic relationships overall. Teens are dating less. A survey conducted by the Survey Center on American Life found that only 56 percent of Gen Z adults—and 54 percent of Gen Z men—said they were involved in a romantic relationship at any point during their teenage years.[i] This represents a remarkable change from previous generations, where teenage dating was much more common. More than three-quarters of Baby Boo…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 04:07 AM
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Lol its not hard to say at all. Every surgery shows a huge drop.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 03:56 AM
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Look the fears were always there but everything in you and outside you drove you past them anyway. The boredom gnawing at your soul would be far more tormenting than your fears and would drown them out. You would just do it. Also you would be constantly interacting with people so you would develop social skills without trying.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 03:54 AM
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Literally every survey shows things changed. Show me one survey that shows that gen z.has as much sex gen x did at their age. Are you saying teen are having chaste romances? Lol Teen relationships are important learning experiences. You don't develop mature romance without that sort of thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 03:48 AM
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Check the stats. They have.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 03:45 AM
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Look I am sure there were always incels but there were far fewer of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 03:44 AM
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16 and pregnant Lol that show came put on cable or apps in 2009, I have never seen and it has zero to do with the culture in the 90s or 00s. People under the age of 21 have nothing to say that any reasonable adult would care to listen to unless they want to exploit their voting power, which liberals have been busy doing since the 60s. They should not have the right to vote. Oh and people only know themselves when they see themselves mirrored in the eyes of others so young men cannot get to know …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 03:41 AM
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One in four Gen Z adults — who as of 2024 can be as old as 27 — confess to never having sex, according to a 2021 Kinsey Institute and Lovehoney survey quoted in the story. Some 31% of that group said the the closest they’ve come is sexting, or virtual sex with a partner. https://nypost.com/2024/03/23/lifestyle/why-is-gen-z-having-less-sex-therapists-may-have-the-answer/
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 03:35 AM
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Nowadays chad is fucking any woman who will go to his apartment which mainly includes tinder woman who are normies. Yes this is true. He has broader range.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 02:56 AM
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"In 2021, the survey found, the number of young Californians ages 18 to 30 who reported having no sexual partners in the prior year reached a decade high of 38%. In 2011, 22% of young people reported having no sexual partners during the prior year" https://healthpolicy.ucla.edu/publications/search/pages/detail.aspx?PubID=2256 "Between 1991 and 2021, the percentage of students reporting ever having had sexual intercourse declined among all four grades: 9th grade (39% to 16%), 10th grade (48% to 2…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 02:52 AM
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No, you missed my point. Nearly every young person would be fuckign someone before too long. How do I know? Because that's the way life was before social media and dating apps. The reason you have silly ideas like Chad and Stacy is because you are an incel. If you were born 20 years earlier, you may still not like that Chad got so many women but you would be too busy fucking your girlfriend to care.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 02:24 AM
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I have no issue with it myself. I use dating apps successfully and would not want to do without them. I also use alcohol responsibility. I may not be capable of either at age 18. This is my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 02:05 AM
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I don't miss teen pregnancies or the TV shows that would glorify it. What TV show glorified teenage pregnancies? . I don't miss how objectified women were or how poorly they were treated in regular tv No clue what you're talking about or why it's better now. Would you be as happy to have a son who is an incel at 25 now instead of a son who is socially and sexually competent and ready to marry? Oh and I don't need teenagers to be aware of politics. Kids that age are easily brainwashed and they on…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 02:03 AM
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This is true. I am not sure that this has empowered women. In the past the hot men only had access to the women in their social circles now they have access to women within driving range and then some. But in reality in big cities you can always go the club and have access to tons of hot men and women outside your social circles. It was the old school version of the dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 01:57 AM
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This will be the last reply unless you have something of substance to say. I have no idea what your kink has to do with my post. If you don't want to explain it. Good-bye. Yes I know what the other words mean. 😵‍💫
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 01:53 AM
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You're really minimising how much "slut shaming" has decreased, and how much females today promote sluttery. In my circles back then no one cared about sluts because all girls were sluts. And every single survey shows that kids had more sex and didn't care. And drunk sex was normalised. Now it's pathologised, drunk = rape. Yes I agree that this is toxic but I don't think that this is reason for why there is less sex among zoomers because young kids don't understand this and don't care. What seve…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 01:50 AM
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What??Are you referring to my "feminism is bad for women" post? That was about the 50s and has nothing whatsoever to do with this post which is about the 90s and 00s. That one had nothing to do with sex and incels. What the hell are you going on about?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 01:45 AM
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Lol explain why don't you?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 01:42 AM
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Plenty is gained by it. Everything young people do they do out of boredom. But this leads to growth experiences where they figure out what they really want and what the world is really like. The only alternative to that is to push this back into the future and humiliate them by making them incompetent adults. You don't be some a competent adult without experience and you do not gain exposure without making mistakes. No young person has autonomy, what is that? They are just driven to satisfy thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 01:42 AM
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Plenty? We rolled in different circles but here is what AI is telling me about the stats: 15% of 20- to 24-year-olds born in the 1990s reported having no sexual partners since age 18, compared to only 6% of Generation X'ers when they were young adult https://www.socialworktoday.com/news/dn_080816.shtml#:~:text=The%20researchers%20found%20that%20today's%20young%20people,Generation%20X'ers%20when%20they%20were%20young%20adults.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 01:37 AM
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There's causation, there's correlation, and then there are https://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations. What does this have to do with my post? As time goes by it's interesting to observe the development of social norms; IMO the biggest issue in today's dating world is "unreasonable expectations". Funny how these did not become impediments to dating until social media and dating apps took over. It's almost like technology is to blame like my post says.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 01:27 AM
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There's is always an exception. But they are rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 01:10 AM
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Yeah i don't know, it sure beats the incel crisis. Those are critical growth experiences and most kids do not get diseases or get pregnant. Raise your kids right and they will be responsible. They have to grow up sometime.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 01:05 AM
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They are the ones who have the most trouble. How many 40 year old incels do you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 01:01 AM
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FFS read the whole post and realize that your comment is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 01:00 AM
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Yes individuals must fix their woes. But if kids had to socialize to get their dopamine hits, the incel crisis would disappear.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 12:59 AM
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This has nothing to do with why young people aren't having sex, which is the post of my post. Pay attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 12:58 AM
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My point is that the "women are more empowered now so they don't need men" argument ignores the fact that this argument does not apply to teens and early 20s kids and does not explain why they can't get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 12:57 AM
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getting drunk, getting high and starting fucking each other again You do that with a woman and you risk spending the rest of your life in prison if 5 years later she figures she did not want that and you cannot pay the money she is asking. I think you're exaggerating lol Not getting the social stigma for f*cking 20 different guys in less than a year is very much part of the "empowerment of women". What? Women and men had more sex then than they do now. People with much higher than normal body co…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 12:55 AM
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It should be treated the way we treat alcohol and cigarettes: 21+ only. Not until your brain has fully developed can you ever hope to consume this responsibly!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 12:44 AM
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I think you need to address my argument. High school kids don't know what economic freedom is. And their libidoes are what they have always been. And yet in the 90s they were fucking each other and now they are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 12:42 AM
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Fair enough yes, I am center-right and surely heteronormative. And I am sure there are women who would hate competent, confident and dominant men, but there is no reason to think that they are anything but a minority. I was not always right wing. I was once on the far left and even then these sorts of men were the most popular among the women in my friend group.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 11:22 PM
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I seriously doubt that I just happen to be the woman it works on. It's very obvious for anyone who looks around that as OP says women like, competent, confident and dominant men. This is so obvious that I don't think it should even need to be said.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 11:13 PM
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But there is no sexual attraction between herosexual women. And TRP is all about what makes women sexually attracted to men. I don't think that there is a lot of misogyny in the TRP and lots of toxic advice about "spinning plates" but they sure do have their finger on the pulse female sexual attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 11:02 PM
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It's so funny. When I read your post I thought "this is so obvious, why does even need to be said," but man looking at the comments you realize nothing is obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 10:08 PM
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Thanks, do you have a source for that?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 03:37 PM
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Are there stats on how many men want to be in some sort of relationship but cannot find one?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 03:09 PM
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I so rarely see ugly women with hot men out in the world. The norm is also hot and ugly people dating each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/25 05:59 PM
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What am I supposed to be ashamed of? Having sexual desires? I don't think a trans person is representative of the general population of women. Most women like being women. Maybe I felt shame when I was younger but just forgot about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/25 03:15 AM
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Not to nitpick, but Gen Z's moms are not Millenial but Gen X Edit: most are, yes i get that there are exceptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 02:52 AM
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Not if you have no commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 10:30 PM
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Lol, this is has to be a troll. Did you read my reply? Yes of course people always try to manipulate each other but when young people are the same age they are on the same playing field with the same equipment. You can still lose, but it's a fair fight. When one partner is 20 years older and other is 19, it's like they are twice the size with a playing field tilted massively in their direction. Few young people stand a chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 09:45 PM
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I can't say what I really want to say without getting banned. Yes. There is a reason that people frown upon much older men involved with much younger women. That reason is legitimate.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 09:37 PM
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Lol how so?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 09:18 PM
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Umm...no. I have always been grossed out by men as old as you when I was your girlfriend's age. Just the thought that a 40 year old would look at me sexually made me want to vomit because he reminded me of my dad. I think this is very common. Very few 19 year olds would date a 40 year old unless he is a famous movie star. And as for abuse. This should be obvious to a person your age. It's SO easy for an older person to manipulate a younger person. Of course young men can also be manipulative and…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 09:08 PM
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So many gray areas lol. I don't know.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 08:57 PM
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I think this is a really good point. I recently made a post about casual sex and was initially surprised by the data showing that anywhere from 60-80 of women had had "casual sex." Well once I looked at the fine print at the meaning of "casual sex" I realized that the definitions employed in these studies is different from the one I had in mind. To me casual sex means fucking a stranger. But these studies include FWB, and sex with an ex. FWB can be just a fuckbuddy that you barely know but it ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 08:53 PM
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Look feminism is indeed toxic, especially the sort you see on social media. You should not strive to become an "ally." You should ignore it because it has nothing meaningful to say. The Redpill self-improvement advice is mostly good. But you sound like you have some serious mental health issues that you need to get help with. I do think feminism is the least of your problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 08:44 PM
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I am telling you what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 12:49 AM
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No they are often "non-binary women" who look no different than other women and are attracted to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 11:34 PM
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Most of those are people hooking up with an ex. "A large share (66%) had sex with an ex-boyfriend or girlfriend" https://www.bgsu.edu/content/dam/BGSU/college-of-arts-and-sciences/center-for-family-and-demographic-research/documents/working-papers/2012/CFDR-Working-Papers-2012-09-Young-Adult-Casual-Sex-Behavior-Life-Course-Specific-Motivations-and-Consequences.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 03:06 PM
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The 30% are people who identify as LGTBQ. A huge number of those are "non-binary" and stuff like that which has nothing to do with attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 12:11 PM
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What??? I didn't understand your first two paragraphs. As to the third, I never said that there was anything wrong with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 04:25 AM
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Yeah I mean, you're not really dating at all at that point because you know each other so you can just jump right into the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 10:56 PM
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My friendship to relationship stories never involved me dating other men before i began dating the guy friend. It was always we meet and find we click and start talking lot and hanging out etc. and this intensifies until one day they guy makes a move.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 10:53 PM
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Men want to fuck anything that moves so they often seek out friendships with women in the hope of getting involved with them. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Many of my BFs were friends first. And those men who I turned down still remained friends with me, so it was fine. But typically women become friends with men that they don't have sexual chemistry with. Honestly men often make for better friends than women. Maybe it's because they secretly want to fuck you so are extra nice to …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 10:28 PM
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Maybe I am confused about what that meant.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 09:09 PM
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Metrosexuals were borderline gay in my eyes, so not masclune at all. They may be the men with the beards today though because trends changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 09:04 PM
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What?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 09:01 PM
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Your comment is so full of ludicrous comparisons it's almost not worth replying to but I will give you short reply and probably ignore any more replies from you. First of all young people have way less sex than before so this idea that people have more hook-ups now is false. In 2021, research from Rutgers University-New Brunswick showed that casual sex has steadily decreased in recent years. https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/health-wellness/2023/04/19/casual-sex-one-night-stands-decline-women-…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 08:27 PM
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Women are encouraged to be sexually liberal. They are told that it's empowering. I don't think a woman going for her first or even second hook-up knows that the sex won't be satisfying. I think they have to learn this through experience. I still think it's extremely odd to be offended by this. I guess if the woman is still giving it up on the first date but makes you wait until the 6th date then I can see why you'd be resentful. But a woman who had one or two hook ups in high school or college, …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 06:39 PM
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I am surprised by your experience actually. I would think the same women who liked metrosexuals back then would like the same sort of men now. I wonder if your problem lays elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 05:57 PM
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Again, I will ignore the most ludicrous parts of your comment. There needs to be a mechanistic explanation along with cause and effect. It is not enough to say "America became prosperous because of womens rights", but (and this is only an example to demonstrate what mean by mechanistic): pointing out that women's entry into the job market has created additional prosperity would be much more reasonable. I am not sure if even this is true, unless you mean that women's role in the workforce helped …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 04:51 PM
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I am not saying I agree with OP hypothesis that feminism will destroy Western civilization or that a successful civilization cannot be egalitarian. But the people who cliam that gender egalitarianism is what causes prosperity are just as wrong as OP. Both groups are relying on correlations and nothing more. But I do love how Bluepillers, who usually insist that the US was some version of Saudi Arabia before the 70s, are now claiming that the West was feminist since the founding of the US so that…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 04:19 PM
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They have not been patriarchal to the same degree but they have all been patriarchal. Which Western society do you think was not patriarchal before 1970?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 04:06 PM
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If only it was so. In a 2019 study, 59% of women said protecting free speech was less important than promoting an inclusive society, while 71% of men felt opposite https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-antisocial-psychologist/202104/the-gender-gap-in-censorship-support
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 04:03 PM
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Interesting graph. Do you have a source for it?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 03:37 PM
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no one remembers or even acknowledges the 99% of work done by these people, and just remembers the white man at the end who slapped his name on it. Ummm...most slaves historically have been war captives of the same race. And every single civilization practiced slavery. Most slave owners have not historically been "white." This is really laughable. And anyway slaves did menial labor and were not responsible for the inventions that made civilizations great.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 03:06 PM
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Honestly i think that egalitarian societies are more developed because those societies adopt more modern, and Western, ways of life and not because they are egalitarian. Western society was patriarchal until like yesterday. And what OP is saying is that it will fall due to feminism, (not saying I agree). But I think it is undeniable that the large number of women currently in media and academia has a lot to do with the spread of wokeness. Women definitely care more about protecting feelings than…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 02:56 PM
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I have zero sexual attraction to women, I guess I have seen lesbian porn but it does nothing for me, and I have never experimented kissing other girls. With that said I do think that there are more attractive women than men mainly because women take better care of themselves and also because women don't have to spend a ton of time in the gym to be attractive. I also think that most men are unattractive (as are most women past a certain age). I mean just look at the obesity stats. But the only pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 02:33 PM
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Ok change the definition of hook-up why don't you. In all those cases we agreed to have a relationship and had one. Also the friends began to act like boyfriends, helping me out and being there for me long before we officially decided to be in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 02:24 PM
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What the fuck are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 02:07 PM
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Ok I looked up the stats and you're right 60-80% have had hook-ups. This still leaves a large minority that has not 20-40%. But honestly even if a woman experimented with hook-ups in high school or college do you not think that many of them would realize how unsatisfying hook-ups are since so few women orgasm during them? Once they realize that would adopt the same strategy listed above: "make every man jump through hoops."
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 02:03 PM
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Nearly all of my relationships began as friendships. I used to have a large friend group that included many men. We would get to know each other in this platonic context and then when they made a move on me months later there was no need to date or wait. Now that I am older and less social I am using dating apps and it's a very difficult to navigate. Anyway if I really like a guy I may have sex with him on the 5th or 6th date, so long as those were very long dates and we talked non-stop in betwe…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 01:47 PM
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You seem young and immature. When people are looking for a compatible life partner, they want more than just someone who will fuck them in the first date.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 03:34 AM
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Internalized misogyny is a thing. They often will act like they really want a relationship up front. It’s honestly similar to what some avoidant men do, but the motives are different. I am not following you here.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 03:12 AM
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And honestly it’s hard to gauge how attracted a woman is to you without sex. It should not be hard. How does she act when you reach out and touch her. Is he hesitant. If you're just standing there and waiting for the elevator, and you just make long eye contact with her, does she look at you in that passionate way. If you talk about sed does she get excited. There are so many tells. . A woman who’s only slept with guys she’s been in a relationship with will get some leeway but that’s far and few…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 03:07 AM
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All women have communicated after having sex with me that either they weren’t looking for something serious OR they saw me as someone they’d date seriously but they didn’t want a serious relationship at the time. All? This is very odd. No offense, but I would be looking at what you're doing wrong. I’ve respected their decision and I never coped with the rejection by saying they “used” me. I mean come on. Women don't have to use men for sex. They can just tell a guy upfront that they just want so…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 03:03 AM
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I guess I make it easier for some than for others but I make every guy jump through hoops. Of course it doesn't mean that I am not really attracted to some of these guys. So it doesn't seem like a good metric for attraction because there are plenty of women who make every man jump throught hoops. Such women are often very loyal and relationship focused and a man would miss out on all they have to offer if he followed your advice. People who are in tune can sense the sexual chemistry. They can se…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 02:04 AM
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Except there are plenty of women like me, who never had hook-ups. How do we fit into your "system"?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 01:00 AM
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In tribal societies marriage exists and is typically arranged just like in agricultural societies, so I am not sure where the 12000 year mark is coming from.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 07:48 PM
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What harshness is that you're talking about? Women used to risk their lives giving birth to ten children just to watch half of them die. Also men's life spans have been historically shorter but not vastly so. The biggest difference between lifespans is the one we see today in the US, which is six years.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 04:15 PM
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Women are allowed a much broader set of behaviors. An attractive woman with male interests actually becomes more attractive. A physically attractive man who behaves like a woman makes himself a lot less attractive. Few women when asked will say that they want a traditionally masculine man. They will say that they want a man who is nice, caring etc. This is not untrue, but it's incomplete in an important way. They want a traditionally masculine man (who is assertive, confident, competent, doesn't…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 03:30 PM
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Is that going to expose the men who cheated?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 02:29 AM
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Ok fair enough but I don't think those things are inherent to benevolent sexism.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 12:08 AM
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Andrew Tate is as revolting as they come, though very good looking, wealthy, and famous so morality doesnt apply to him. It's not surprising that silly women fall for his BS but his misogyny is very transparent to anyone who is not a child. Benevolent sexism is not misogyny. It is in fact a great appreciation of women and yes it is very attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 09:29 PM
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I generally agree with your post. However it won't serve an average man to be misogynistic or bitter. Super hot, super high status men can get away with almost anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 09:03 PM
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None of the men on the show seemed to be misogynistic or bitter. They are happy, confident and charismatic.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 08:58 PM
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Ok I surely have.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 08:55 PM
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Here is an anti-TRP thing that you can also learn from Temptation Island: men are a lot more likely to cheat than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 08:52 PM
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I began being sympathetic to you but the ending to your comment changed my mind. My advice and the advice of all people who say what I say is only aimed at men who want to attract more women. If you feel like you would be betraying yourself for all eternity and are not interested in seeing if you could grow into that role, then don't do it. There are women out there that like less masculine men, they are just not as common. Abusing individual women who gave you a chance romantically just because…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 05:45 PM
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No I meant society can't do anything to help you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 05:31 PM
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I get what you're saying, it's unfair. You want the same freedom to be whatever you are and have women be attracted to you anyway. Unfortunately there is no solution to that problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 05:02 PM
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My point is that those types of men have not only managed to exist throughout millenia and around the world but were universally admired. They were clearly in touch with their feelings, and although they were often critical of society for various reasons, they never portrayed men as oppressed by masculine gender norms. My point is that maybe we are misunderstanding what these norms are. Maybe they are not as oppressive as people imagine. Maybe they don't turn men into emotionally numb drones but…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 04:49 PM
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It's interesting though that healthy masculinity can never be defined by such types. Whenever they go to do that they just describe a good gender neutral person. But yes you are right in movies that women watch men are still masculine.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 04:35 PM
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The idea is that you become those things. It's much easier to do if you are raised that way. That is what is behind this kind of advice. Also I think you're exaggerating some things. Men can show emotions, just not to the extent that women can. Finally, up until the 70s, for millenia, these were the expectations placed on men. How did the types you mention manage then? If you look at artistic and intellectual creations produced by men, the last thing you see is lack of sensitivity or absence of …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 04:31 PM
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No, it's a guy who genuinely believes that to step in and defend his girlfriend is toxic, not someone who's afraid of what people think. I know the people involved personally so this is not hypothetical. He believes that his girlfriend would not want that (he is wrong). That she would feel disrespected. These feelings are genuine. Also he wants her to learn to stand on her own two feet. He believes this is best for her. He is a true feminist.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 03:05 PM
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Interesting. What he says contradicts every study that I read that is included in the research vault you cited above. They all acknowledged that DV causing severe injuries effects women to a much greater extent, even though the less severe violence is more equally perpetrated, and it is only these severe cases that end up at shelters. Dutton only cites one study to support his claim (the emergency room one) and he did not include it in the video details. I would like to to see it and I want to k…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 02:59 PM
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Nice Guys do not put on a mask of a masculine person. The type of guys who put on that mask overcomepensate in their expression of masculinity, nice guys undercompensate in that they don't express masculinity at all. Their whole shtick is being harmless. The guy in my example likewise is not expressing masculinity at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 02:35 PM
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How do you define fragile masculinity? To me it looks like a guy treating his girlfriend as an equal. Most guys would not expect their girls to step in and defend them when they are in a heated argument with someone (though many women would step in, most men would not expect it).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 02:24 PM
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I have definitely seen men not stand up for their girlfriends when they were being verbally attacked because they did not want to offend them since it would presume that the girl "can't take care of herself."
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 02:13 PM
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The only women who go to shelters are the ones in very severe abusive relationships where they get serious injuries. Such women fear for their lives and the idea behind shelters is that they have some place to go where the abuser can't get to them. Since men are a lot stronger than women there is a real threat of murder in such cases. The men in physically abusive, heterosexual relationships rarely sustain serious injuries. They are also at a huge physical advantage in that they can easily overp…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 01:09 PM
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Yes only Chad would send the first message on OLD, good men never do that. And only Chad's ask girls out on OLD, good would never do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 11:24 AM
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They are not as different as you imagine.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 01:07 AM
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No women don't enjoy being abused. They enjoy being spanked. And yes I think it's ok to spank children. Central and East Europe is known for family brutality so your experiences are not surprising.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 10:46 PM
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What country are you in? Yes I asked. I was just talking to my 86 year old neighbor recently who got married at 18 and had six kids at 19 onward with a man ten years her senior. She described an idyllic life. I asked her if she ever encountered domestic violence. She said she never heard of such a thing until the 70s and it surely didn't exist where she lived. Husbands were allowed to spank their wives but that is different than the beatings that feminists love to pretend were so common. Many wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 10:03 PM
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I think it's funny that feminists never bothered finding proof of the supposed prevalence of DV prior to the great feminist awakening in the 70s. Neither of my grandmothers, nor any if the elderly women that I have known throughout my life have reported any such thing so I kinda sorta believe that the rates of it were no different than today.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 09:38 PM
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That's funny, do you think those same people managed to conduct a scientific anonymous survey of DV for women in that age group because such data seems to be conspicuously absent.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 09:12 PM
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I am saying you're probably making all of this up. If you think elderly women need to feel like they can be vulnerable around you to tell you their life story than you clearly have never been around them. They are so desperately lonely that they will retell the details of their lives to anyone who will listen countless times.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 08:31 PM
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Lol that's funny because I used to work with elderly people as well and none of them had it bad. Most of them were women and described fairly good to idelyllic lives, and they missed their dead husbands.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 07:53 PM
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You mean the dysfunction you find in housing projects and trailer parks where irresponsible women are paid to have kids by deadbeat men and kids grow like weeds while using drugs? No, that is a modern phenomena. Early death is welcome relative to life in a nursing home. Poverty rates did not equal more violence and from what I hear people say who were poor then, not necessarily more dysfunction either. Illiteracy rates were extremely low, though higher than today. Alcoholism rates were lower tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 07:33 PM
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The question is to ask if it’s not the fault of approaching but more so the fault of who you chose to approach It's both I think. I only approach if the guy is very attractive and who is probably out of my league but also the fact that I approach makes them think that they will get easy sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 05:23 PM
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The men I have been with were interested in me as a person and wanted to have a relationship with me not just sex. The men I approach want just sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 05:10 PM
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I don't understand what you're saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 04:49 PM
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Yes I know but this happens 100% of the time in the wild and on OLD it's either that or low effort. There has not been a single success which is why I don't ever do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 04:43 PM
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The men I intiate with always push for sex right away.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 04:38 PM
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I don't think I said women will always but if I did i misspoke. There is rarely an always or a never when it comes to the empricle world. But that does not mean that there aren't clear patterns and that it makes sense to notice them and act accordingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 03:15 PM
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You universalize too much to all women and give too much power to the general tendencies common to women (they are just general and just tendencies). I am explaining why they exist. I also just plain think your approach to dating, romance, and sex simply just is not common. Lol what? You just conceded that these are general tendencies. There is another post today that insists the women must approach if they want good results. The women are arguing my points so it seems to be common enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 02:21 PM
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People should experiment and do whatever works for them. I agree with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 01:51 PM
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It is something that I have experienced in the past and many women who are less discerning due to age and lack of experience will surely experience. For me it's just a colossal waste of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 01:49 PM
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No I don't bring my guard or filters down prematurely lol. And no one takes advantage of me like I already said. It's simply the result of the fact that men who genuinely like women pursue them and those that don't pursue don't really like them but are wiling to use them for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 01:40 PM
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What a silly article. Men respond to women who they consider to be below their standards because they see an opportunity for easy sex. This is the source of the inequality - genuine difference in the nature of sexuality. Male sexuality is indiscriminate. They want to fuck as many women as possible, no strings. Their standards for sex are low. Most women want to avoid being a notch on someone's belt, and gain nothing from casual sex, not even pleasure most of the time. Their standards are high. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 01:38 PM
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I don't get used for sex at all anymore because I can read men's intentions easily now. But the men that I approached 100% of the time either make an over-sexual move on me too early which shows that this is all that they are after, or if the approach is online simply don't act very interested. So there is no point to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 01:11 PM
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No I have social skills that are appropriate for my situation and the wisdom to use them properly to get the best results possible under the circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 12:57 PM
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My post was a response to the many posts of men insisting that women share the burden of approaching. But I made it clear now in the edit that I mean initiating of any sort including on OLD. If about as important as anything else discussed on this forum, though maybe not relevant to you personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 12:55 PM
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I am part of a different generation, so I can't speak to what Zoomer women do. However when I talk about approach, I am talking about initiation of any sort including sending the first message on OLD, and asking for the first date etc, though being the first to like a profile is fine in my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 12:52 PM
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There is some truth to this. I definitely only ever approached desirable men. However not every man who is less desirable is going to be into me either. If he is not really into me he will still likely take advantage of the situation and use me for sex. And in that case it would be really foolish to take both the risk of rejection and the risk of being used for sex, since I such men approach me all the time and can be easily vetted my system in place.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 12:46 PM
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I am going to copy and paste my response to another comment here: You're missing the point of my post. Men and women are not the same. It's not merely about rejection. Their sexualities are different. Male sexuality is really compulsive. It's very easy for a man to reach orgasm. He typically does not need an emotional connection in order to feel safe and enjoy sex due the difference in size and basic biology. Most men would prefer to have lots of no-strings sex with many women. Most women are th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 12:30 PM
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You live up to your flair lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 12:24 PM
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You're missing the point of my post. Men and women are not the same. It's not merely about rejection. Their sexualities are different. Male sexuality is really compulsive. It's very easy for a man to reach orgasm. He typically does not need an emotional connection in order to feel safe and enjoy sex due the difference in size and basic biology. Most men would prefer to have lots of no-strings sex with many women. Most women are the opposite: they need to feel safe; need an emotional connection b…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 11:53 AM
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People should know their league from seeing the sort of people who show interest in them. However, if the guy has not figured out what his league is, it's fine to approach respectfully.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 11:05 AM
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Ok I hear what you're saying. Also by approach I meant initiated, as in send the first message on OLD, ask the girl out on OLD etc. I should have made that clearer. Anyway, the other thing that I should have made clearer is that those are not the only barriers. The others are be respectful, show an interest in me as a person etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 10:59 AM
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You have social skills that are unusual for people in this generation or just for the people you find online.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 02:48 AM
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If nothing good ever comes from that, then it's not worth doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 02:31 AM
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Lol. Every person bases their approach to life on the basis of their experiences. The fact that most women chose not to approach suggests that their experience is similar to mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 02:30 AM
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I am not talking about out the more subtle approaches. I admit I do that too.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 02:12 AM
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I don't know if you read my other comments but I have already reiterated this point. I have experimented with this and on the basis of overwhelming evidence came to the conclusion that men who do not approach do not really like me/use me for sex and ones that do genuinely like me. It's experience-based. You are trying to look it independently of that which is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 02:11 AM
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I don't disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 01:54 AM
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Lol this is logical but divorced from experience. The men who approach me are willing to take the risk, so they like me enough. The men who don't approach me still want to fuck me, because all men do, but are not willing to work for it. They will gladly take it of it comes to them and me approaching is easy sex coming their way.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 01:53 AM
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What changed not too long ago is the necessity of forming a mostly economic union (marriage) All this male loneliness stuff is much more recent, like the last ten/fifteen years or so. In the 90s and 00s high school and collegel kids socialized, drank, did drugs, had sex out of sheer boredom. What changed is not the need for marriage, but simply technology made people a lot less bored and hence a lot less social. There is another source of dopamine now. Back then, people didn't get married until …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 12:29 AM
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Yeah I agree on that point. The troubles even in those groups is that you can't say "Girl, just look at him, does he look like a good partner?" because criticizing a man's appearance is against the rules, but often it really is that simple: he looks like a thug. Women do not get the guidance that they should get and everyone suffers, most of all them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 11:48 PM
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I think women need to do a better job of vetting men. I am on these Are We Dating The Same Guy groups and so many of the men who get posted are obvious red flags but many women are clueless. Like if the guy has tattoos on his neck, or more than one "baby momma" or countless other behavior problems, just leave. I hope most of them have the excuse of being too young to know better, but women can be really blind sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 11:33 PM
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Yeah but people can never be consistent. And there are so many contextual differences between situations that consistency is really impossible. People have to follow their instincts in order to get the best results and this may look like inconsistentcy to the outside world and it may be that. There can never be hard and fast rules. The men in these situations have to learn to read the signals, know their league etc. All of this becomes obvious if you do it enough I am sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 11:21 PM
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I've seen worse looking men than him with women many times.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 11:16 PM
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Ok that's seems fair enough. It's what I meant when I said people should be polite.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 11:13 PM
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You are saying the same thing from the male point of view. Women who men approach tend to be ones that they really want. Women that approach them, are more... "disposable." This is surely how it has always felt to me. I only care to be the woman a man really wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 11:11 PM
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Nah I find put pretty quickly. And it's not just approach and take me out but have the right vibe the whole time, be respectful, take an interest in me as a person. There are more barriers than the ones listed in the post.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 11:08 PM
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People will always make whatever rules they want and apply them inconsistently. But the worst case scenario this that situation is the girl shrugs the guy away and he moves on.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 11:01 PM
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Are you saying young men like him are never coupled?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 10:55 PM
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You really think people are that hard to read? People give themselves away in thousands of ways and even if can manage to keep up an act for a short time, eventually it will give way. Everything comes out at the end.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 10:43 PM
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I am having a hard time imagining the scenario that you have in mind. Maybe you can give me some details. What does the approach look like? What exactly do you want the woman to do, if she is not interested right off the bat?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 10:40 PM
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Have you been to Walmart? This guy is stud compared to many men I see with women there.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 10:35 PM
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I mean I have been out in the dating world for a long time and I know what I get with the nets that I cast. I have met men and dated them for many months or years, is that enough time to know if a guy really likes me? Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 10:28 PM
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I mean if she knows that she doesn't like you, why bother? What do you get out of that?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 10:21 PM
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I mean, people should always be polite. If a guy is talking to you and you're not interested, let him down gently.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 10:17 PM
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What does shoot his shot mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 10:13 PM
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Lol you seem, young and experienced, to put it mildly. As I said, male sexuality is indiscrimate. Most men, and especially young men, welcome/prefer casual sex. Most women are the opposite. There is too much demand for casual sex on the male side with not enough supply on the female side. So many men resort to lying or misleading women. Every woman has had that experience and it's unpleasant. This is what is meant "use for sex."
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 10:13 PM
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Lol it's never all or none, no matter what the cliam is. But there are some very clear patterns that one would have to be a fool to ignore.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 10:09 PM
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You do get that there is no reason to get offended, right? This post is merely an explanation to the men who keep posting here of the behavior of most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 10:08 PM
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You’d never approach a guy despite wanting him? That blows my mind, you are sure to miss out on many great men then I suppose. I have never had one single good thing come from approaching a man. 100% of the time the guy just saw me as an easy lay or was low effort do you still expect to be the only one actively being pursued for the remainder of the relationship? No only in the beginning. Once it's established that we really like each other, I have no issue initiating etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 10:07 PM
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Did I ever deny that looks matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 10:04 PM
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I spent enough time in Asia to know that there is at minimum missing context. Can't speak for Latin America. But Latin American culture has far too much infidelity for me to want to emulate it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 10:04 PM
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but if a guy who really did want to "use you for sex" did all of this, you'd fall for it every time so it's not definite proof either way. It could happen but it has never happened to me and I dated a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 10:01 PM
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Ok fair enough, this is not aimed at them. It's meant to be an explanation for the men who keep posting on here and complaining that women never approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 09:59 PM
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Ok...you must date women who are not very good at reading men. Most men, without intending, will make it known what they are after. Very few people are good at acting.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 09:58 PM
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Yes this is a good point and is what approach largely meant back in the day when it was more common: just people talking and if you vibe then...
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 09:54 PM
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Since you didn't read my post, I won't bother reading your comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 09:53 PM
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I don't expect such men to approach me, and I would in fact, prefer it if they didn't. Such men should either approach women in their own league, or do what they can to become better looking and then approach women in whatever league they are in.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 09:52 PM
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Some will for sure but I won't do it no matter how hot the guy is. If he doesn't like me enough to approach me, then it's not meant to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 09:47 PM
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What?? A man must take all the initial risks and pay for the date. He can't just get easy sex. It's a barrier that requires effort. Many will not think that the effort is worth it, which is the point. This is the filter.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 09:46 PM
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Then I don't want him to approach me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 09:44 PM
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Oh ok, if you define approach like that, then I approach as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 09:44 PM
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I strongly suspect it's bullshit or we are just missing some essential context, but I am not familiar enough with that culture to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 09:40 PM
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Lol what consequences? There is literally no benefit from approaching. Maybe you have seen one but I have not. All I have ever gotten were men who wanted me for sex or were kinda lukewarm about me. It filters out every guy I want to filter out. The men that really like me and are assertive enough will approach anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 09:38 PM
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"Let folks do as they please" was an odd response to my post.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 09:35 PM
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If a guy likes me, and he is assertive and confident enough, he will approach me. I experimented approaching men when I was younger and it was always disaster. They would get very sexual right away, and as soon as I pushed back, they would lose interest. There was not a single time that it ended well.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 09:34 PM
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That's surprising.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 09:28 PM
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Some women approach, most don't. Yes we all want to be wanted. It will not manifest this way for most women though. No matter how much I want a guy, I never approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 09:25 PM
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Is there anything in my post that implies that I am averse to letting folks do as they please? Lol I am just explaining why things are the way they are. If women want to approach, that's fine with me. But most women will not for the reasons stated above. Also, is your experience with your GF supposed to contradict what I said?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 09:24 PM
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Well I never said that men without a sixpack are unhealthy. But generally a man who spends a lot of time at the gym and eats well will have great muscle definition that women find attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 07:16 PM
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Oh sure maybe if they are lesbians, I don't know. I am assuming the women saying yes maybe are heterosexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 07:14 PM
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I never met a man with a six pack that was not stong and healthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 07:12 PM
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"As a general rule of thumb, 10 per cent body fat is the safest place to be. You're lean enough to show muscle — including your six-pack" https://www.menshealth.com/uk/building-muscle/a759234/what-body-fat-percentage-should-i-be-to-see-abs/
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 05:51 PM
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Well he has to have good muscles there and has low body-fat %
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 05:07 PM
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He is stronger, leaner and more fit overall.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 04:53 PM
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It's yet another manosphere legend. Long ago, in a land far, far away, men got fed up with rejection and everyone got ripped, only to find that now being ripped was passe, and women invented new reasons to reject 80% of the men. They believe these myths so that they can be content doing nothing to improve themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 03:07 PM
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It makes me remember there was a time when some men could dodge all the height and facial requirements because a six pack abs was really appreciated but soon too many men started having six packs and the craze for it went down. When did this happen? I must have missed it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 11:52 AM
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Everything you say is true, and yet I would be surprised if this many women would be open to it in real life, but maybe I just can't imagine a transman who passed well enough to look like a grown man. Most transmen on YouTube look like teenage boys. And even if one existed, it's hard for me to imagine not losing attraction the moment I learned that he used to be a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 01:04 AM
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Women seem a lot more open to this than men. I wonder if transmen have a much easier time finding dates than transwomen, or if women are just more likely to lie about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 12:33 AM
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Correlation, causation and all that. Results are still extremely contentious among humans. It's also theorised that behavioural changes might be linked the hormonal imbalances caused by excessive levels as opposed to the T itself. Lol giving women, who have very low T levels testosterone and watching them turn into men, physically and psychologically is as close to causation as you can get. They do not have excessive T levels relative to men. Well that's the point. The variance is enough to heav…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 12:31 AM
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??
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 12:01 AM
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Courtesy of Google: "There is evidence that testosterone levels are higher in individuals with aggressive behavior, such as prisoners who have committed violent crimes. Several field studies have also shown that testosterone increases during the aggressive phases of sports games." "In mice, testosterone injections can lead to various physiological and behavioral changes, including increased aggression, changes in the gut microbiome, and alterations in physical activity and anxiety levels" Howeve…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 10:29 PM
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Testosterone affects tear production, nothing more It makes males a lot more aggressive. Their emotions are much more likely to be experienced as anger than sadness. Yes human males are more nurturing than the males of other species. However every society was gendered in the way that I stated above. The conditioning has been firstly to keep males and females most useful, primarily to the ruling class. This is all conspiracy theory nonsese
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 10:06 PM
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Weirdos are attracted to subs like this; most people are pretty normal. Gender roles are nearly universal in history and throughout cultures. Men were nearly always the warriors and women were nearly always the ones to nurture children. It's hard to find a more universal human tendency.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 08:18 PM
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Oh gosh no, if it were that simple, we would all be gender conforming heterosexuals. There would never be any question of sexual or gender identity if it were that simple. I mean we mostly are and I am not denying other social and biological forces, but are you seriously telling me that you don't think that stereotypically male and female behaviors have nothing to do with estrogen and testosterone levels?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 08:04 PM
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"States that allow for late-term abortions with no state-imposed thresholds are Alaska, Colorado, District of Columbia, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon, and Vermont. Courtesy of Google Several states are already pushing legislation for those very things. It won't pass or be repealed. But if this is what the people in those states want then it's democracy and people can move to other states if they want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 08:01 PM
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I mean if this dominant hormones has the effect of making men more like women in appearance and behavior, which is of course the whole point of taking it, then this kinda proves that this hormone is partly what makes women behave this way as well. I thought this was biology 101: estrogen is what makes women, women and testosterone is what makes men men. There are social factors as well but the biological tendencies are undeniable.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 07:50 PM
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Are you not concerned about the legislation to remove no-fault divorce? Or the states trying to take away birth control? I don't believe these things are going to happen. The persistence to correlate “qualified” with “man” and the social moves by government to place women back in the kitchens barefoot and pregnant? This is just BS Overall the feminists and the anti-feminists fuel each other. The huge rise in anti-feminism since 2016 is due all the utter nonsense that feminism has wrought: the cu…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 07:43 PM
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It isn't as simple as this. Men begin losing testosterone at 35-40 and become more docile, loyal partners to women, which is why they are happy to settle down as they approach forty. The further along in life they get, the more emotional they become, and that's without the artificial introduction of estrogen. Men do become better partners at this age and it makes sense that it's because their testosterone drops. However they don't necessarily become less masculine. They become more emotionally m…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 07:33 PM
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Hence why I said emulate the tactics and not emulate the direction. The distinction matters. Explain And isn't women's lack of attraction to men already a problem and the primary thing that drives men into these narratives? Is it? I'm not so sure. Yes lol. A few decades back when men could get laid, there movements were a lot less popular.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 07:25 PM
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Those rights have been in place since the1970s or long before that. I am talking about feminism today. it has nothing constructive to say and just talks a lot of nonsense about the imaginary oppression. Outside of the fight for abortion rights in red states, it no longer has any reason to exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 07:23 PM
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Some aspects of feminism are good, but I would say that today 80-90% is toxic.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 07:12 PM
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Nothing is universal but men on here complain nonstop how the masculine guys get all the girls and how the gentler, more sensitive types are ignored and friendzoned. By imitating women they are obviously inviting more of the latter upon themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 07:11 PM
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The idea that all or most men back then beat their wives is a feminist lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 06:48 PM
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It makes sense but it will never achieve it's goal because the more men imitate women, the less masculine they become and the less attractive they become to most women. And isn't women's lack of attraction to men already a problem and the primary thing that drives men into these narratives?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 06:47 PM
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It's good for people on here to be reminded of just how toxic feminism is. This sub mostly just displays the male version of feminism with all it's whining and delusions. But they are just imitating the feminists because the feminists have been so successful in reshaping society.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 06:37 PM
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There are general tendencies between the sexes that are mostly the result of hormones. Watch videos of people taking cross-sex hormones. Women taking testosterone report losing their ability to cry and men taking estrogen report how much more emotionally vulnerable they become. Cultures take those general tendencies and push them further into the directions the sexes are already leaning into in order to create a polarity between the sexes that makes them more attractive to each other, and in ord…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 06:17 PM
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Umm..you do realize that many/most heterosexual women have a preference for classic masculinity, right? Are you seriously trying to say that I don't know what classic masculinity is because I am a woman? 🤡
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 05:18 PM
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Love that poem. It's classic masculinity in a nutshell.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 04:49 PM
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I think hypergamy will be based on whatever the woman values most. So if she values intelligence most, the man will have to equal or greater than her in that regard. If she values artistic ability most he will have to be equal or greater than her in that regard.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/25 08:34 PM
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I couldn't care less what anyone does in private. But some things digust me. Like I don't care if you sit around naked at home, but I would be disgusted to see you walking around naked at the mall. We have these disgust responses for a reason, by the way. Male homosexuality tends to be very promiscuous and tends to spread disease, like the AIDS crisis for instance.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 03:02 PM
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Player - only looking for casual sex I think it's similar to girls posting bikini selfies. Don't you kind of get the vibe that the girl is more open to casual? I have to say also, there is something extra hot about a guy with a nice body who does not show it off on the apps. Its like he is hot and humble, which makes him even more hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 02:55 PM
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Great come-back! I am offended by public displays of male homosexuality that is correct. And you are offended by my disgust. The only difference is that I own my reaction and you don't own yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 02:50 PM
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Sorry to offend you, buddy, but I am just telling you the truth. This is what I suspect most people feel, but they won't tell you. They will bullshit you instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 02:41 PM
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We want the muscle man. I am just telling how certain men show themselves to be those types. Nearly every profile that I have liked who had shirtless muscle selfies has turned out to be a player. There is nothing inherently wring with those types of photos. It's just the men who have them on their profiles tend to be players.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 02:38 PM
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Lol I have never seen people have sex with animals either but the thought of it is revolting enough, thanks! Just seeing two men kiss makes my stomach turn.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 02:30 PM
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So ok, I was wrong. I can admit that when presented with reasonable counter arguments. Congrats on being humble enough to publicly admit it! The men claimed its because women still secretly harbor beliefs in traditional gender stereotypes or something. The men are right. To be penetrated is to be dominated, and the thought of your man being penetrated is emasculating to the extreme. But even if he was the one penetrating, sex between men is just hyper revolting. Sex between women to me is neutra…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 02:18 PM
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A man has to be more than just hot for me to want to be with him. I have to attract quite a few hot men to find the right hot man.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 02:10 PM
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What? Don't you want a hot man to have a relationship with? Or do do you want to be with an ugly man?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 01:57 PM
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Is he a player? How do you know that?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 01:41 PM
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It's a double-edged sword. Nothing is hotter than a muscular body but a guy with a shirtless gym selfie is nearly always a player. Have someone take a photo of you on the beach or something. That would be much better.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 11:53 AM
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Well you actually have to feel it. Your expression of those feelings is involuntary. Your body language will always tell people how you feel.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 10:11 PM
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No they actually have to believe in themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 10:06 PM
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More like your personality will shine through your looks. I can feel there insecure vibes. If they fixed those vibes and the things I mentioned, yes of course I would consider dating them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 09:54 PM
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I can feel the insecurity from the photos of those men. Guy 1 needs to bulk up more, so that his big head marches his body. Guy 2 needs a more flattering haircut. Guy 3 needs better glasses and a more flattering haircut. But there is a confident vibe that men need to have as well. They can't just keep being dorks with muscles.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 09:32 PM
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The obesity of for men and women is about the same. So there are as many non-obese or overweight women as there are men. They are evenly matched.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 09:10 PM
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Ok just tell them to get lost...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 09:01 PM
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What is the truth? That lifting won't help you get women? It probably won't help 100% of the men. Maybe if the guy is 5'3 or has a hideous face or is just from an ethnic group whose men are not too popular in Western countries (especially if he insists on dating White women), it won't do all that it promises, but it will make a night and day difference for the vast majority.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 08:01 PM
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East Euros are a lot less individualistic in general. People have very close intimate relationships with friends/family that are simply not possible in the US. For us, intimacy is only reserved for your partner, and this is much more true for men than women. I can definitely see why men who can't find relationships become lonely.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 05:01 PM
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Lol that video is retarded. The problem with Gen Z is that they wallow in stuff like that. Previous generations didn't have access to such brainrot.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 01:59 PM
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I have never gotten good results from showing initiative. All it has ever done was prolong a connection that was dying. I make it clear through my enthusiasm in the conversation that I am interested. If we vibe, I often carry the conversation. I also respond right away. And my body language clearly conveys interest on a date. But if I find that I am thinking "should I text him?" "Is it my turn?" it's because the connection is already dying and all I will do is prolong it's death throws. It has n…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 10:50 AM
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I display enthusiasm but take zero intiative in the beginning. If we are to text, he has to start the conversation. If we are to go on a date, he has to ask. If he liked the date, he has to text first. If he wants a second date, he has to ask for it. Sometimes I get too excited and take intiative or I do it just because I think I "should," and it's always a mistake. If a guy really likes you, there is no space for you to take intiative. His text is already there when you wake up. He is already p…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 03:59 AM
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Another day, another whiny bitch post from a "man" on PPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 01:44 PM
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You're not wrong about what happens in offices and we are not wrong in agreeing with OP either. I think we have different contexts in mind. OPs observation applies to like a party in college or something like that. In an office you have a reason to be speaking with different people and you will eventually be drawn to the hot guy, especially if he has a charismatic personality. Also the older women get, the less shy they become around hot men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 11:20 AM
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Very common.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 03:11 AM
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I mean men cheat more often, and it's obvious why, their sexuality is so much more compulsive.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 05:03 PM
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You don't know the difference between feelings and actions and our ability to control one and not the other. Also some things are conducive to society and others are not. Masculinity is conducive to the society, rape is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 03:55 PM
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Oh...haven't faced that in a long time so have to really jog my memory. It would be either getting emotional over petty stuff or constant emotional breakdowns over anything; fear of confrontation is a big one, that's a turn off. It would never be crying over death of a loved one, including a pet, or an occasional breakdown over a hard situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 11:45 PM
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You seem "special" lol. Wow, what a calous take. Should I respond the same way to women when y'all voice your frustrations with gender dynamics? Most things feminists whine about today are as silly as most things men on this sub whine about so, yes, you can respond the same way. The rest of what you say doenst warrant a response, sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 11:38 PM
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No so long as he is a powerful male with a brilliant personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 11:20 PM
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Female attraction is so much more than the physical. A great man with a mediocre body can still be hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 11:18 PM
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Ok you should google to see what an average 53 year old looks like, and they don't have the intellect, money and power to boot.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 11:11 PM
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Wow this is a very strange take on Elon Musk. He is not a bad looking guy for his age by any stretch of the imagination, and very intelligent and very powerful. Plenty of women would sleep with him just out of pure attraction and I am sure all of his baby mommas were with him because they actually liked him.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 11:02 PM
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I don't know, it's bizarre to think that you would align yourself with the men who killed your husband. There are all these fairy tales from the past where women commit suicide rather than do that. That feels more intuitive but I don't think this was the norm. I don't know what to say about that other than it's hard to relate to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 10:57 PM
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I don't know what you're talking about. It doesn't matter if we have free will or not. The response to people's behavior would still be the same. We would still punish the wrong-doers.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 10:43 PM
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Men risking their lives to protect their women is as old as time. It's classic masculinity and exactly what women find attractive. Tribes used to raid each other. Men were killed and women used for all sorts of sordid purposes. I think the 2000 year period you're talking about was about 5-10 thousand years ago (so 5 thousand years really) that was particularly violent. But the ancient Greeks 2500 years ago tell stories of conquests where men are killed and women and children taken into slavery. …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 10:41 PM
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Lol I am not a one-dimensional character, and I have no trouble offending anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 09:26 PM
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I am talking about feeling not action. People can't force themselves to feel what they don't feel, but they can force themselves to refrain from actions they don't want to commit. Men will always be held to a higher emotional standard by both men and women. We can pretend not to feel this way, but we always will. Men have much stronger sex drives, and they can't help but to feel horny more of the the time. But they can help acting it out. Their sex drives always had to be controlled for any soci…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 08:56 PM
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Oh my lord anything that came to the foreground in 2016 and then some. All the nonsense about the gender pay gap and unequal female representation. Women choose different professions and different subcategories within professions, on the basis of their aptitudes and the desire for work-life balance. The reason that there are fewer female engineers is not sexism. All the silly stuff about the patriarchy and how women today are still oppressed. Women prefer dominant men and, with a few exceptions,…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 08:09 PM
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Women don't post much whiny nonsense on this particular sub, but they post plenty of whiny nonsense elsewhere. Most of modern feminism is whiny nonsense. But women can be whiny and delusional without ceasing to be feminine. This makes them very annoying and unbearable to be around. But men who whine in the same way, become annoying, unbearable to be around and worse of all--emasculated. Men and women are not the same. Men who see their kids every other weekend while paying child support are seen…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 07:49 PM
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Ok...and what of the two white men looking for relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 07:42 PM
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Look opinions may differ. I live in New England. But I was convinced that men are clueless when a Twitter meme started going around of a woman that was a solid 8, complaining about work or whatever and the red pill men were saying that she should hook up with a guy they posted who was like a 4 and they actually thought that they were looksmatched. As for the girl in this experiment, do you find her second and third photos to be 6?? What of the two white men within her age range looking for relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 07:07 PM
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Not OP but most male posts on this sub are wee wee crybabies. It's doomers who go out of their way to find excuses as to why they can't be better and try to scapegoat women for anything and everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 07:03 PM
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Men are made to go to war. Women are made to nurture children. I am not saying that men can't nurture children or that women can't go to war but this is not what we evolved to do. Watch some videos of trans people taking cross-sex hormones and see what they report. Women taking testosterone consistently report losing their ability to cry. Men taking estrogen report how much more emotionally vulnerable they became.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 06:44 PM
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Such is life. We are physically weaker, vulnerable to sexual assault and having to go through pregnancy and childbirth if we want bio kids. That is also unfair. Female preferences in men have evolved over tens/hundreds of thousands of years. If their men were weak, the women would be raped and their children would be taken into slavery. It doesn't matter that this does not apply today. Our civilization will eventually fall and it will apply again. We are like this for a reason, and it's not goin…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 06:38 PM
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The assumption that women are these caring, angelic beings that are waiting with open arms for people to be emotional with them, seems like an extension of sexist preconceptions like "all women have a motherly instinct Who is naive enough to believe that? Aren't we supposed to be adults here? They assume a "vulnerable guy" is someone that basically breathes and lives to make his GF/wife happy, someone that always tells her and shows her how much he loves her, someone who only briefly and only fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 06:07 PM
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I think the men on here are correct. I have struggled with this a lot. Intimacy requires that a man open up and a relationship without intimacy is not worth having. However if I begin to see the man as weak, I will lose attraction to him so there has to be some middle ground. Most men know this and the men on this thread have a pretty good idea of how to go about opening up in the proper way. I really wish that we as culture did not lie to both men and women about this. It was as shocking and sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 03:31 PM
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I am not the sort to lie and say women look better than they do, and it has zero to do with social media, I remember thinking all this in high school, long before social media. The last picture is closer to average but the middle two she is very much above average. This is why I don't trust men who say they get no matches. They aiming way out of their league.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 12:53 PM
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Turns out he got those 7 dates in a few HOURS not a few days 18 hours, so one day. Usually when people say OLD is a swamp they mean that everyone is either extremely sexual or low-value (terrible hygiene, unemployed, bad social skills, etc). This not the way I always interpreted it and maybe swamp is simply not the right analogy. Maybe it's more like dying of thirst in the middle of the ocean. The water is perfectly clean but not drinkable. So even if only 3 of the guys are worth it thats still …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 12:34 PM
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Ok I figured this stuff out by the time I was like 20. But the older i got the easier it became to read people, to the point that I am almost never surprised by them. But you are the one insisting that we must demonize all men because we can't tell the difference between the good and the bad ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 01:30 AM
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Look I assume you're very young so this kind of nonsense makes sense to you, but after a certain age, and with reasonably good social-emotional intelligence it becomes extremely easy to tell good people from bad people. I never have very bad experiences anymore, and even the mildly bad experiences that I still have are always foretold by signs that I chose to dismiss. People are horrible actors and liars. This why Hollywood pays top dollar for people who can act. People always tell on themselves…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 01:17 AM
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It involves figuring out what sort of men to avoid. So you become more wary of certain men, but not most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 12:58 AM
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It's definitely difficult for women. But I have always looked 10+ years younger so it's easier for me than for others.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 12:27 AM
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No, what are you asking? Those men are age appropriate for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 12:23 AM
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Old enough to be dating in that age range
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 12:22 AM
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Ok this is the source of the problem. And yes there is no way to resolve it. There are far more attractive women than there are men, and men have no idea who is and isn't in their league.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 10:58 PM
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But yeah using any remotely decent looking women for dating app experiments is pointless. Why is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 10:20 PM
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The experiment went on for two days I think, not one. And that is the time frame when you get the most attention. Tinder will promote you for like a week or two. That is when it shows your profile to the most desirable men. Then it drops off and all you see are dregs. Anyway there is zero reason to believe that would find anything better of the experiment kept going. This exactly what women find, men who are below them wanting a relationship or men who are their looks-match or above just wanting…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 09:51 PM
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No it shows once again that men over-rate men's looks. Men have no aesthetic taste and have no way to evaluate the appearance of those they are not sexually attracted to. I have seen this time and time again where men think they are a looksmatch for a woman, or think that another man is when they are way beneath her. This is why I don't trust men who "get no matches" because I know that they are likely trying to match with women way out of their league.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 09:34 PM
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Listen, the women who complain about disrespectful men are mystery to me as well because I don't encounter that, ever. This girls experience is not very different from mine. It's not horrible but it's not great. None of the men who wanted relationships were here looksmatch and the rest just wanted sex, so yay she got lots of respectful attention but did not find what she wanted: a relationship with a man worthy of her. In other words, it was a waste of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 09:27 PM
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https://archive.is/v0Rf1 Here is the link to his post The girl is an 8, so far above average. The two men without kids and within a reasonable age range who were looking for a relationship, are probably 6s, though it's hard to tell because he put red lines across their eyes. Look at the relationship goals for the other men. Still figuring out or short term open to long is a bullshit game men play when they try to trick women into thinking that they may be open to having a relationship with them …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 09:19 PM
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Fair enough, but let's not pretend that most women feel this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 08:35 PM
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If you can't get over the awful encounter and project your fear onto all men, it's PSTD. I have had plenty of awful encounters. You learn from them, process the feelings and move on. Spending your life with a fear of half the population is not healthy and its definitely not the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 07:46 PM
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Lol the guy responded with a link to his experiment. The girl is way above average. Half of the men were not looking for a relationship. One had a young kid and the girl is 27 so a definite no. One guy was nine years older. One was of another race, which is a no for most people. That leaves only two guys and they were ok looking but definitely not her looks-match.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 06:22 PM
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I have to say that I almost never feel this way, and this sounds more like PSTD than anything else. The only time I have felt this way was was when I was doing something dangerous alone: walking home at 2 am alone in NYC, traveling alone in India, camping alone in a forest at night etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 05:49 PM
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I date in that age range. It's not a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 05:11 PM
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Lol half of those men were not looking for relationships. One guy had a young kid, which is a no-go for a 27 year old girl. One guy was ten years older. Of the ones who were close enough to her age, looking for relationship and no kids, it was only 2 guys and they were less attractive than her. (The Black dude was attractive but most women don't want to date outside their race, so he doesn't count.) And the girl is very attractive, those guys are average. She would be dating down.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 05:05 PM
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Whats the point of constantly complaining about how unfair the dating market is if nothing can make women to fuck you?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 11:14 AM
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I forget what the point of these posts are. They are so idiotic. You expect society to issue you a wife or something? What are the odds you think of you going go war? What? Women are more attractive because they have already worked their asses off. Go read a post I wrote about why the average woman is more attractive than the average man You people do realize that nothing can ever make women want to fuck you, right? Acting like a victim makes you a thousand times less fuckable than you already w…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 10:58 AM
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It didn't say social advantages, it just said advantages. Men get killed more often because they are more likely to get involved in criminal activity not because the average man is in greater danger at any time. Men are always in less danger because no much stronger person is looking to rape them. What? What the fuck does intrinsic value have to do with any of this? I am talking about SMV and RMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 10:31 AM
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When did I say anything about girth?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 10:16 AM
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Men need to find a way to sort through their feelings without becoming pussies. Therapy is not it for most men. Our culture is intent on making men into women and I am not onboard, sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 11:57 PM
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good men are afraid of upsetting the wrong people. I love how "good men" is always synonymous with weak and pathetic men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 11:55 PM
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We don't think of self-improvement and training as a feminine trait when it's done in the gym, so why should men be shamed out of observing their self-harming patterns and consciously retraining their mental wiring to be the most effective versions of themselves? I personally don't think therapy is that effective, even with women. Most of it is just complaining. But there is nothing more effeminate than sitting around talking about your feelings and feeling sorry for yourself. It's better for me…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 11:52 PM
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You're making a lot of assumptions about me. No one is talking about combat veterans but men who whine about nonsense like the ones who post on this forum every day. And yeah surely a therapist is promoting noble masculinity, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 11:38 PM
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Um no, I would rather live in a society where noble masculinity is admired and respected; where men are taught to own their shit in the hope of becoming those noble men who provide and protect and seek to develop courage above all else. The kind of bullshit you describe is weakness not strength and it's are not "manly." You people always pretend that the opposite of toxic masculinity is femininity, but it's not, it's noble masculinity that men have always sought manifest.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 11:31 PM
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Nature is doing a genetic purge.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 11:18 PM
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Therapy is always at the forefront of pussifying men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 11:18 PM
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How can you not be ashamed to see yourself this way? What sort of "man" desires pity? Don't look for "protection" from women (barf!) Women are not wired to feel pity for men. They want men that they can admire and respect. Work to become the sort of man that does not need "protection." (Downvote away)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 11:01 PM
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Yes men are expected to be men. And, bring on the downvotes, it's because men are inherently stronger than women, both physically and emotionally. This of course does not apply to Zoomer men, who have the fortitude of a new born baby. Most women never like being objectified. Some of us like adventurous things and it's much harder to do them when you're a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 10:36 PM
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Sigh, another "I don't want to be a man, why should I have to be?" post. Male suicide rates have always been higher because men use more violent means (guns vs pills). Women attempt suicide more often, but men are more likely to be successful. Women have much worse mental health than men. They are much more likely to suffer from anxiety and depression and to be high in trait neuritism (fun times). You're right about number 1 and 2. Number 3 is tricky. Women earn less and are more likely to be th…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 09:58 PM
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No OP made it clear that she is fine with casual sex and will betabuxx some simp when she is through with it. The women reporting a swamp likely want relationships with high value men, which is a tall order because they don't want to be tied down.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 08:47 PM
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I looked it up and apparently you're right. Apparently I am an exception.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 11:05 PM
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I don't give a fuck what you go for. You people are entitled with too much time on yoir hands.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 10:25 PM
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Sorry I won't fuck you. Maybe someone else will.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 10:16 PM
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I am not retarded enough to get involved in stuff like that, I am sorry. But yeah men love the poly BS. Of course they do. It suits thier sexuality. And yes many young, naive girls are persuaded into it. Like I said I knew many. Not a single one still does it today. But the guys still do. I wonder why. It's almost like fucking random women suits most men well but fucking random dudes does nothing for most women. So strange.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 10:12 PM
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No I am not misguided enough for that but I have know many poly people before it was mainstream lol and yeah they mostly realized that it was BS, especially the women, who were mostly ones hurt by all this BS.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 10:02 PM
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Most people with "unconventional sex boundaries" are young kids who don't really understand how this whole thing will play out. This is true of most poly relationships. People think they are ok with it but then realize that they are not. It may work for some but it rarely works for most of the people who try it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 09:24 PM
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You have a very hard time with nuance don't you? I am finished with this conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 06:27 PM
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My point, as expressed in the comment that you responded to, was that women prefer a mix of work and being a SAHM. Very few moms would choose to work full time if they didn't have to.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 05:57 PM
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Notice that my original comment said that most mothers prefer to either work part time or stay home. Your first study does not distinguish between part time and full time work This is a quote from your second study "When asked about their ideal work arrangement, if money were not a factor, working full time was the least popular option among mothers in Idaho. Many mothers reported a preference for a more even split between work and motherhood. Among mothers who currently work full time, 41% chos…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 05:26 PM
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"While a significant percentage of mothers would prefer to stay home, the exact number varies depending on the survey and the specific question asked. A Gallup poll in 2016 found that 54% of mothers with children under 18 would rather be at home than in the office." This is literally the first thing that comes up when you search. Sahms are more likely to be depressed/unhappy Source??
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 04:40 PM
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I wish people wouldn't assume that just because one parent stays home with the kids that the marriage is not egalitarian. My mom was a SAHM and she was always the one running the show. It all really depends on the relationship dynamic. You can Google for exact stats but most moms prefer to stay home or work part time. And of course what every one says is true, women are happiest when they are appreciated, supported and doing what they prefer to do whether it's work or stay home. ETD: downloaded …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 03:26 PM
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Ok fair enough. But I have no idea where it comes from considering how many women don't like big dicks.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 04:13 AM
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It's funny how they always think the taller they are the better and the bigger their dicks the better. And no, some of us are short and we won't date men over a certain height and some of us have short cervixes and don't like a penis over a certain size.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 01:56 AM
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I don't think it's rare at all. I have often seen shorter women with shorter men. It sucks to always have to wear heels just to be able to kiss him comfortably.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 01:51 AM
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Being an incomplete man is not the same as lacking a soul and not going to heaven (I don't think he even believed in heaven)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 11:38 PM
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Where does Ariatotle say that??
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 11:30 PM
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My point is that men on this sub keep whining about the patriarchy because they are "oppressed" by the demand of manhood.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 11:13 PM
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Lol look at the latest post about men having to be responsible for oragasms. That's one. Here is a link to one yesterday that explicitly named the patriarchy as his enemy but was deleted https://www.reddit.com?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=2 Here is another one. https://www.reddit.np/r/PurplePillDebate/s/ywKcQRr26j Do you want more?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 11:04 PM
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You confuse manhood with adulthood. I want to be an adult woman not an adult man. You sound like you have no clue what genuine leadership is.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 10:42 PM
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All of that is part of leadership.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 10:34 PM
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Men taking responsibility for their lives and becoming leaders is fucking no one over.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 10:16 PM
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I don't care what invertebrates prefer. It has very little little to do with human males. I'll believe it when I see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 09:43 PM
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But where is the expectation that women take an active role in their own fulfillment? What exactly do you want women to do?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 09:20 PM
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In those communities this may apply but not outside of them in the general population.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 08:46 PM
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Haha ok now you're gaslighting. Ok I guess women don't lie about their preferences either. They all just want a sweet guy and nothing else. A female virgin is a male version of a Nice Guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 08:37 PM
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Lol it's more than you've got, which is nothing but what men say online.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 08:22 PM
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Oh there are, but men will turn them down for the BPD hoe. I have seen it and have seen women report the same. They seem boring. Body count was a non-issue since the sexual revolution and before the manosphere came around and made it into one. Growing up in the 90s and 00s among very sexually promiscuous young women, I have never seen them lacking for a relationship and they are all married now. And no, men were not desperate back then. Everyone had tons of sex, too much actually. Promiscuity wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 08:14 PM
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I think that you're getting too much shit for your question. Women constantly come on here and deny that they like masculine men. Why do they do it? For the same reason that men insist that they like virgins or women with very little sexual past and then hook up with the opposite type of women and marry them! People lie to themselves and to each other because it makes them feel and look good. This is why you should always ignore what people say and look at what people do. This applies to both me…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 07:40 PM
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Men can be whatever they want to be now, they don't have to be the dude in 1950s coca-cola ads Anyone can be what they want to be. But then they can't bitch about others not liking them and the men on this forum do that and almost nothing else.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 12:27 PM
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Good point, men should just demand that women split the bill on the first date, and share the risk of rejection. They should continue to whine about being oppressed by the "patriarchy." That is very progressive. It's all very attractive and women will eventually come around and do "their part."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 12:25 PM
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No I think that's literally every man on this sub that bitches about the patriarchy and finds every possible convoluted way to blame women for his misery without doing a thing about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 12:12 PM
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This is exactly right
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 11:54 AM
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No of course I want to reward them, if they actually want to change. If they are content being the way they are then I have no interest in changing them. And when I speak of children, of course they should be rewarded. I think noble masculinity should be admired and respected. That is a great reward.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 02:23 AM
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You can choose how you handle your attraction sure. But you can't make yourself attracted to someone that you're not attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 02:00 AM
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What? You can't control any of it!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 01:26 AM
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I don't want to change adults who have settled opinions. But it would be better if boys were raised to respect masculinity
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 01:02 AM
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What?? No one can control their attraction. Can you make yourself want to fuck someone of the same sex? Or a 400lbs person?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 01:01 AM
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I guess I don't know what you're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 12:58 AM
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What randoms are those?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 12:50 AM
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Whenever a man complains about the patriarchy this is what he means. Also a lot of silly/convoluted complaints about women come down to this as well. There are a lot of posts dedicated to finding ways to blame women for the way things are instead of taking responsibility and making things work (leadership). But you're right, I am exaggerating when I say all.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 11:48 PM
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Fair to say if there was infidelity, then it contributed to the divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 11:32 PM
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There is nothing but self-report in studies like this. There is no God's eye view. Only the couple itself knows why it's marraige ended and the way we can know is by asking them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 11:21 PM
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I did not even know the world incel until Jordan Peterson came on the scene. These other things were very fringe movments in the 90s and 00s
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 10:53 PM
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What the hell is a Chopin-lover. People can be what they want to be so long as they accept the consequence of other people rejecting them for it if they want to. Men online whine non-stop about being rejected though.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 10:51 PM
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, the point you're missing I hope so in good faith is that it's intended to protect the guy that is cheated on and in today circumstances still have to give half everything he have to the Ok...that is definitely unfair " Also a very large number of divorces are due to infidelity (mostly men cheating) Source? Overall, the results indicate that the most often cited reasons for divorce at the individual level were lack of commitment (75.0%), infidelity (59.6%), https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 10:50 PM
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You were not really able to say stuff like this publicly in the 90s either and the "old tribal knowledge" was passed on by word of mouth. There was no internet. Yet there was no male loneliness epidemic and men were not revolting against manhood to the same degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 10:41 PM
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Well in the past it was acceptable to say that women don't want men to take everything they say so seriously. Sometimes they're just talking and don't really mean it. Go out and publicly say that now and you're gonna get a lot of backlash You don't have to publicly say it to believe it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 10:20 PM
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If one party leads the other must follow. But you can't ask women to work full time and do the household chores. If there is no version of the dynamic that seems appealing to you then my question simply does not apply to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 10:18 PM
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Lol ok, so you just want some fantasy that never existed. Got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 10:17 PM
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Mainly the return to fauty divorce, You mean "fault divorce." Many men want to get divorced because their wives won't have sex with them. They would be stuck in sexless marriages then. Also a very large number of divorces are due to infidelity (mostly men cheating). Also women used to be able to get divorce on the basis of mental cruelty. Prior to the current divorce laws men would be forced to pay alimony to their wife until or unless she remarried, child-suppprt and to split the assets in half…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 10:16 PM
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This is a dumb answer, I am sorry. I am asking me what would make it worth for them to be men. If making life unfair for women is your answer then that defeats the point of fairness (for both men and women) that I am seeking
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 10:11 PM
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The mixed messages have been there for a while. The male loneliness epidemic is new and men not wanting to be men is more extreme than it ever was.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 10:07 PM
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Ok fair enough, there we communities for people like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 10:05 PM
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Men are constantly whining about the hell they are in. Going to the gym is a great start but becoming more masculine would do wonders for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 10:05 PM
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You do realize that sex in the recent past would have just been missionary position, right? Marriages until the 18th century were arranged by parents and not intended for either pleasure or happiness but to carry on the family line. Mommy would be pregnant or recovering from pregnancy with all the physical changes it entails and busy being mommy to her 19 kids. You would get some peasant slop for dinner before slaving away on the farm. So it's not the fantasy you imagine.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 10:02 PM
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You're the one that wants men to change, how about you think of some incentives I don't want to change anyone who doesn't want to change. A good start for getting men to be more family oriented would be removing deterrents though, like biased family and divorce courts. I think this is mostly exaggerated.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 09:57 PM
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Look, I don't want to be a leader, I want to be a partner. Fair enough, you can be whatever you want to be. If being a man is to be mentally strong, is it safe to say that being a woman is to be mentally weak? I think society holds men to a higher standard in this regard. Is a leader someone who makes every decision and demands obedience from his subordinates? It's the person that makes other want to follow him ETA: the kind of relationship that you describe makes the man feel disposable to me. …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 09:55 PM
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This is nonsense. I am not denying the input of height and I know that if a man is very short he will have a hard time but this is vast over-exaggetstion. The average male height in the US is 5'10. I am 5'1 for me 5'10 is tall and 5'7 is still acceptable and 6'2 is too tall. There are many ugly women that only get used for sex. You can be physically disadvantage as either a man or a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 09:50 PM
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Why would you expect most men to sacrifice for most women? Every relationship demands sacrifice. If it's not worth then your relationship sucks. Maybe you never had a good relation with a woman, which would explain your attitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 09:46 PM
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Is that why Fifty Shades was the best selling book of the decade?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 09:43 PM
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A correct shift between obligations and rights What exactly would that look like for you personally?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 09:42 PM
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Lol so many men are lonely. They would be a lot happier if women liked them. We are born with personalities but we are also shaped by our environment. If they were raised to be men it would not feel, to most of them anyway, like they were becoming different people for the sake of the opposite sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 09:41 PM
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These attempts are shaming? What sort of incentives need to exist in your opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 09:39 PM
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I mean most women have work full time in order to stay middle class. Most men cannot support the family on their own (and don't really want to either).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 09:33 PM
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I thought it was like a kind of hopelessness. What does it mean to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 09:32 PM
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Most women still like masculine men. Of course there is much more but those things are the basics.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 09:30 PM
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That sounds great, but it says you're blackpill?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 09:28 PM
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304? Is that code for hoe? Why would you marry an ungrateful woman? Upend your life in what way? By getting half your stuff in a divorce? You can get a prenup or marry a woman that makes an equally good living. However if she is a stay at home mom, it's only fair if she gets half your stuff because she has been raising your kids and not pursing her own cateer.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 09:27 PM
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Fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 09:24 PM
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I mean the maintaining the home and cooking is not reason while working full time. Not sleeping around when before the relationship starts or after? Do you mean not cheating?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 09:24 PM
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Literally every post by a man in the last few days.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 09:21 PM
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That is a good point. What roles do you want to see them uphold that would make masculinity worth it to you personally?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 09:21 PM
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Patriarchy" was the ruleset they enforced to suit their desires, and to combat male variability, and force men into specific roles that ultimately benefited women by loading the struggle of maintaining society onto them while women got to enjoy the fruits of male labor Do you not think women were maintaining society by risking their lives giving birth to ten or more children, watching half of them die, taking full responsibility for their care while managing the household? Men are much more like…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 08:03 PM
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Isn't this the perfect time to change the culture to reflect how you want it to look. How exactly do you think women want society to look?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 07:43 PM
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In a healthy relationship the partners serve each other. If you are not interested in meeting anyone else's needs, then be single. But for people who want to be in relationships of any sort, they will need advice on how to meet the other person's needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 01:07 PM
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No, it takes pathetic, disempowered men and gives them the power to author their own lives and to become the leaders of their families. Many men today don't see the value in being leaders because they too enamored with being victims. They want to be catered to and would just prefer to whine. Leaders are active. They change their circumstances either into ones where their wife follows and respects them or one where some other woman does; but this requires work and zoomers hate work. It's a lot le…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 12:27 AM
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Nearly every divorced man I know who has kids, has 50-50 custody and it's a lot of people. And the vast majority decided to split custody like this with their ex and did not fight for it in court.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 11:21 PM
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Nah intuition is more powerful than mere reasoning because it includes both the rational and the irrational. If you are cleaver enough you can reason yourself into anything. If you have a well developed intuition it will put a stop to all that bullshit. My logical brain is very well developed, much more so than most men, but my intuition is still much more trustworthy. In all of the examples that you gave a woman with good intuition (or any at all) would have a feeling in the pit of her stomach …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 10:54 PM
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It's trusting your intuition 🙃
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 10:41 PM
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I have actually read a lot of MRP content and they are airways clear that not all women will respond to this. This will save most maresiges but not all.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 09:44 PM
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Yup all facebook groups
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 09:17 PM
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Lol men can't control their attraction any more than women can. If you no longer turn him on and if he has managed to keep his SMV and gets hit on by younger women...well things won't go well. TRP loves to talk about wife goggles, the idea that men never lose attraction to their wives no matter how badly they age because they always remember the way they looked when they were young. There is some truth to this but I seriously doubt there is nearly as much truth to it as TRP believes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 09:08 PM
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Some groups were a a lot more self-restrained than others in the sense that a great many comments were deleted and you not even allowed to comment unless you had personal experience with the guy. Maybe they became better over time due the threat of being banned. I don't know. I just joined them recently. However I will say that they are huge in my area, so much so that nearly every man on the dating market will show up on them, and very accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 08:57 PM
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I have been on those groups for a while at my location. Many men that I went out with showed up. My ex showed up as well. I was never surprised by what was said. Most of the time what was said was nothing, by the way. If a guy does not screw over lots of women that is the typical response, silence. Sometimes petty things were said e.g., we chatted then he ghosted me; he is a good guy but is not the height he said he is etc. There were a small handful of times that very serious allegations were m…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 08:39 PM
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Yeah maybe...like when you just begin texting with a guy and he texts you his number or texts you his number and says "text me." That's the end of that conversation. Not because I am afraid to get off the app and have them know my number (I think that fear is exaggeration) it's just the rudeness of it. If he said, "can you give me your number, I don't like this app." I would have no issue. There all sorts of subtle things like that I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 04:01 PM
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Interesting thought but it's mostly the development of intuition that can only really be gained through experience with men and people in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 02:52 PM
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Yup my worst experience dating has been a boring date but I unmatch over the subtelest impolite vibe and don't look back. And every time I ignore the subtle bad vibe I quickly learn my lesson with a less subtle bad behavior. I think a lot of people are in denial about how toxic someone they find cute is. They let these men give them cagey answers and end up in emotionally murky situationships because they didn’t stand in business in the beginning. Definitely. It's always obvious when a guy is ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 12:47 PM
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This is correct. I have not so much as gotten a dick pic and I have dated a lot. There is always a bad vibe from bad men that you feel as soon as you interact.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 11:58 AM
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This is exactly right, and a huge portion of this discourse is driven by these men. I know so many unremarkable men who have no trouble dating, but when I come online, it feels like all men are suffering through some dating holocaust.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 08:34 AM
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Studies have been done about men who adhere to traditional masculinity and it leads to significantly higher rates of suicide. I call bullshit on that. I found one tiny study. Also correlation is not causation. It may have just been because they were working class (since working class men are more masculine). They also had greater access to guns. This strict adherence to gender roles, especially in modern life, is literally killing people. We have literally the least strict adherence to gender ro…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 07:04 PM
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Why not 40s, or 2000s?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 06:44 PM
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What exactly does generic diversity have to do with this conversation. Gender roles are as close to universal as it gets. In nearly every case men are the ones to go to war. Women were nearly always the ones to nurture the children. Men hunted the big game. Women gathered and hunted small game occasionally. Women almost always expected men to protect them. It's not dogma that makes women want to fuck masculine men. It's nature. It's not dogma that releases testosterone in the brain and body of b…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 05:31 PM
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What is not some hard and fast rule? Adaption has its limits. The sort of men that women find sexually attracted has not changed and never will. Also our civilization is also not eternal. It will fall, like Rome did, and we will need all of our old instincts again. We won’t survive otherwise What?? Masculinity is a great thing when it's civilized. The troubles that men on here have are all due to a lack masculinity not an excess of it. Zoomers are the most effeminate generation yet and the most …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 03:58 PM
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Each species has its own version of it but there is a lot of overlap.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 03:36 PM
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Of course, however instincts don't change. They just get expressed differently
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 03:17 PM
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Among mammals the males fight over mates, sometimes to the death. The female nurture the young.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 03:11 PM
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Is it also performative in the animal kingdom, or is it a biological imperative there?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 02:55 PM
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English, what is yours?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 12:43 AM
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I am having trouble deciphering what you're saying. It feels like a language barrier.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 11:40 PM
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I do think those men are the norm in the US too. People on this sub say lots of silly things.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 10:28 PM
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I am not even sure what you're talking about or how the posts on this sub would give you those ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 09:55 PM
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I feel like almost every post in this sub is written by a twelve year old.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 09:46 PM
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Oh sure but when you bum a smoke or get a light then you're still standing there together smoking and that is a natural time to talk. If you ask for the time, the most natural thing to do is to say thanks and walk away. Also if the girl likes talking to you, after she is done with her cigarette, she may light another one. And if you originally bummed one, she may offer you another one. This is a sign that she likes you and it would extend the conversation. After that, a guy would feel a lot more…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 07:27 PM
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Prior to 1970 men were dominant in a civilized way and this made them a lot more attractive. This was true of the average man. I don't think that most women were unhappy until the feminists told them that they should be unhappy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 06:58 PM
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I am obviously old enough to recollect about the past before technology made everyone anti-social, and "dance clubs" is the official name.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 05:16 PM
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This is exactly right. We always wanted to be out doing stuff, otherwise you felt like you were missing out on fun that your friends were having. And one of your friends would always bring along some new person and sometimes you liked each other. Dance clubs were our versions of Tinder. They would be packed with young, hot people. You step on the dance floor and some dude would start dancing with you and you either dance back or ignore him, that was our version of matching. It was a lot more fun…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 04:04 PM
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: • Paying for first dates • Buying flowers weekly without asking •'Sidewalk rule' • Opening the door for her always • Pulling out the chair for her before she gets seated • Gifts every month or two Paying for the first date is a must and I would never consider a second date with a guy who didn't pay. Openings doors is also good, though I don't notice it that much. I don't like flowers, the sidewalk rule feels neurotic, pulling out my chair feels like overkill. Gifts I would really appreciate bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 12:19 PM
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I don't think so. Women didn't need them because the sexual tension between men and women was always kept strong by the polarity between them
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 11:46 AM
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I think BDSM in women is their instincts revolting against feminism. Since men are weaker than ever, they need to concoct the most extreme possible fantasy to make them strong in order to make them attractive again. Physical appearance is not enough to turn women on, they need a man to have a masculine personality as well. For men, physical appearance is enough so they don't need such extreme fantasies, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 10:50 PM
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Ok interesting, but, either way, it's very different from the experience of a typical man so it's not something they can relate to.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 06:00 PM
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Men and women are not the same. We do not experience our sexuality in the same way. There is nothing similar in the male experience to sexual objectification as it is experienced by women. When men are objectified sexually they usually take it as a compliment and it only happens if they are very hot. Being objectificatified as a source of money is also very bad but it's not even remotely the same. I have been seen as a source of stuff before and it was infuriating but not really degrading. You j…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 04:30 PM
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I do.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 01:25 PM
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Let me guess, you were once a Nice Guy but women rejected you in favor of criminals and now you are hateful and bitter for life, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 03:00 AM
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Yes all women love criminals. You can't get laid because you're a Nice Guy. Women suck!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 02:50 AM
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What??
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 02:42 AM
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All the choice in style for men is precisely the problem. Most of them have no aesthetic taste. They need a uniform that they can wear every day that would maximize attraction for the majority that's why they all dressed the same and the only variation was the color tie they chose: that's about as much aesthetic choice as most men can handle. Most men have neither the ability nor the desire to style their clothes, that's for women. And it's not unrealistic. Middle class people did it for decades…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 02:19 AM
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Isn't your point that you don't like stylish men? You want a guy to look like he just rolled out of bed with a stubbly face. And no they don't look good that way. Pretty sure the camera was curating its subject. Specifically just targeting a Friday night where everyone was looking fancy or it went on wall street on an early morning or late afternoon. I challenge you to find a newsreel that shows men dressed like disgusting slobs in the 30s/40s/50s. No, they did not always film on Wall Street or …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 02:06 AM
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Yes of course I am not talking about the poor who were trying to survive. If you see newsreels from the era all the men are wearing suits and are clean shaven and have their hair slick back and they looked good unlike the disgusting men today.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 01:53 AM
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These would be seen as effeminate in the US in 2025. But if you look at the men in the 30s/40s/50s they always dressed well and were well groomed and it was perfectly masculine. Sicily is also an interesting example. The men always look perfectly sharp but are totally masculine. Somehow in our culture being presentable became feminine. However it's not inherently so and we only see it that way because our culture is sick.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 01:44 AM
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No they just don't enjoy being objectified by strangers most of the time
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 12:42 AM
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Women want to be attractive without being seen as sex objects - a tall order! If you compliment a woman on her looks too much then it makes her feel that you're only after sex because men who do that are typically only after sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 10:51 PM
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but some women see the very suggestion itself as anti-social, which means for these women you have to establish platonic relations before sexual ones, which means they are incompatible with a lot of people. Many women insist on being seen as a person first and sex object second. I am one of them. I instantly next a guy if he makes more than one comment about my appearance on a dating site or a single sexual comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 10:38 PM
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Can you link the article? I feel like we maybe missing some context.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 04:37 AM
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It's a little bit of both. I can never have sex with a man I don't feel safe with. That foundation has to be there. But if he has an edge to his personality that is a big turn on. This can be expressed through certain negative experiences, certain positive experiences, or BDSM. It's the expression of masculinity that's hot. But there has to always be an undercurrent of safety, if that makes sense. He can't actually be abusive or a genuine threat to me because that would shut me down.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 04:32 AM
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Many things. 5'7 is not that short. You can still be high value. Develop masculine traits like confidence, competence, leadership, charisma. Get buff. Develop a style. You can certainly be high value.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 12:14 AM
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Doesn't it basically say it all that you think it was lucky that you were with trusted friends? Maybe I should say luckily I am not the type to fuck random men because that seems to be what distinguishes these "rape victims" form the rest of us. What counts as enthusiastic Maybe a woman initiating sex or actively participating rather than just laying there unaware of what's going on Is that because she accused him, or because she accused him publicly I suspect that even if you accused me publicl…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 11:17 PM
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Anyone can accuse anyone of anything, for example: I accuse you of being a pedophile. See? No I don't see. Your accusation has zero effect on me, but her idiotic accusation got him fired and got her a big sum of undeserved money, see? He was never tried. Maybe if he was accused criminally, things would be different, but he wasn't. He could be effectively punished with zero proof, and she could be rewarded handsomely again with zero proof. In theory, I agree with you. If a woman clearly doesn't k…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 10:59 PM
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A woman can still make a charge of rape can't she? And who is there to tell how drunk either one of them really is? Some people have a tendency to black out. I had this happen to two of my acquaintances. Both had sex in some crazy drunk state. She blacked out and just decided that it was rape even though she literally did not remember jack because she drank so much. The guy lost his job and she got a big sum of money from their mutual employer. No trial, no jury. He was guilty before proven inno…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 10:31 PM
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but I assure you there is a metric fuckton of that messaging going on. Largely from women a little older, the mamas and the aunties bullying young women to settle down with a man who maybe actually is abusive or belittling. This is what has provoked all the loudness of the "yassss queen" and "fat acceptance" people, trying to push back against woman on woman emotional violence. Men get caught in the crossfire. Can you give an example of this because I have never seen it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 10:23 PM
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Is it? What if both parties were that drunk? Can the woman still file rape charges?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 08:43 PM
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Many women are relationship focused and would never do any such thing. I would think that these are the women men would prefer to have relationships with because they are most likely to be devoted. They expect you to put forth effort, as all high value women do. The way to know if she is into you sexually is by the quality of the sex when you have it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 04:42 AM
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Never had to. Players always want early sex and I can't do that so I have always filtered them out.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 06:37 PM
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Fair enough. I did not mean that they are unattractive. I mean that I would be very hesitant to get involved with one.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 03:16 PM
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If you have rapport with the person that you have already gotten to know somewhat well, an unwelcome move should not be a big deal. You are making a big deal out of it which suggests that you're timid. Or it suggests that you are not sure if you have rapport which suggests a lack of social skills. You may not know if she has romantic interest, that's pretty normal, but you should know if she enjoys talking to you, and if she does there is no harm in trying. It is very unlikely that she will feel…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 03:11 PM
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Look, I emphasize again that I am not talking about cold approach but situations where it's normal and natural to get to know people over a period of time and then to express interest. Where is the 2 out of a 100 come in play in such contexts? You can only strike up a conversation with 2 out of 100 girls that you regularly interact with in such environments? Or after realizing that you enjoy talking every week, you only manage to escalate to a date 2 out of every 100 times?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 03:05 PM
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You're looking at all the men who did make a move and declaring they represent the bulk of men who wanted to make a move and anyone who didn't is uninterested or timid and anxious and lacking basic social skills. Yes, and? What are you trying to say?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 02:57 PM
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This is only true of cold approach and especially in places where it's not normal. I have had many relationships with men who were not players. None of them were awkward in their approach. Mind you every relationship I had came from shcool/friend/hobby/volunteer groups where we got to know each other in a natural context. Starting a conversation with someone over and over again in those contexts was never awkward and we already kinda knew each other when they asked me out. Them asking me out was…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 02:52 PM
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You're missing the point. This is not about "boundaries and consent." I have had many relationships and all of them began with a man in my friend group getting to know me and then asking me out. At that point we were already friends but yes, interest was never clearly expressed. They did not violate my boundaries or my consent because they expressed romantic interest. And they were all "good guys." There were lots of other men who I turned down who also made moves on me in similar circumstances.…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 02:47 PM
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Ai says this: "According to data from the CDC's National Survey of Family Growth, the median number of lifetime sexual partners for men is around 6.3." However it's s true that if a man is too smooth and charming its a red flag because it means he has tons of practice. Cold approaching women you don't know is hard for nearly everyone. However if the woman is your acquaintance because you know her through school, hobby/volunteer group, friend group etc., then, if you have normal social skills, it…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 02:34 PM
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Lol what? Did you read what I wrote? I said "he is seen as a hero." When did I determine his guilt.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 02:20 PM
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If he caused enough anxiety, it would not be worth it, and I know that fantasy is not reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 02:18 PM
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You're confusing good men with timid, socially awkward men like people on here often do. If a guy is secure in himself and has normal social skills he will pick up on the possibility of a woman liking him and ask her out. If she says no, it's ok, he just moves on. It's not devastating because he is not insecure. This requires the guy to actually be in places where women don't mind being approached or have friend/hobby groups that involves women. Cold approached on a metro is rarely a good idea f…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 02:12 PM
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Lol, ok sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 04:06 AM
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We had such similar experiences! I was also in a male dominated field that was also in the news due to sexual harassment and my God the exact same thing happened to us. The media gave a very vague account and allowed people imagine the worst even though what really happened was pretty petty. Lots of people got fired over nonsense. For example, one of the incidents involved a friendship between a man and woman who didn’t work together but were in the same field in which the man was further along …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 04:05 AM
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I think it's unattractive for a different reason. If a guy is used to a lot of variety then he is unlikely to be faithful, especially in tough times when sex is scarce, like late into the pregnancy and right after the baby is born.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 03:01 AM
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And 90% of the women on bumble filter out men who are below 6ft. This sounds fantastical. Granted I am shorter than the average, but my height is set to 5'7.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 02:42 AM
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He is seen as a hero by many. Whether he is or not is beside the point. The women who love him probably don't see him as bad guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 02:26 AM
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Well those betas will have to become alphas then won't they? I doubt in the 50s most men were betas. Some of it is generic but a whole lot of it just cultural and can consciously chosen.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 02:19 AM
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"Relationships don't work out" can mean many different things. It's intentionally vague. I take no postion on any of the questions that you asked, and I have no answers to them. The only reason I brought it up is to explain to young lad that just because a woman is a single mother, it doesn't mean that she got involved with a douchebag. He may have been a great guy and they may have done all they could to save their marriage, but it didn't work.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 01:59 AM
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No it isn't. This is a deeply ingrained instinct that assures that men stay genetically fit to fight off invaders and defend their families and their way of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 01:37 AM
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Just because a woman becomes a single mother after this age, it doesn't mean that she got involved with a douchebag. Sometimes relationships just don't work out. Also trailer park/ghetto people may stay insane for their whole lives, and that's where the bulk of single mothers come from. Whether marriage is worth it or not has nothing to do with whether someone is sane or not. Marriage is tough and once people divorce, they often refuse to remarry. Some people know nothing of marriage and are jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 01:11 AM
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It took me only one time too. For most people who are not off their rocker, that's all it takes. When I said women may do this until they are about 22, i was being conservative because not everyone has relationships in high school. Most even remotely sane people will only choose a douchebag partner once and then never again.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 12:55 AM
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Is it really that hard tho, how was i supposed to know the fully tatted violent biker gang drug dealer felon serial killer was the bad kind of masculine? I grew out of this by the time I was 16 or 17. Before that time I was naive enough to think that those bad guys are mean to everyone but they will be nice to me and that made feel really safe and really special. When you're a kid being rebellious is "cool." So these guys just look rebellious and everyone who is against them, like your parents, …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 12:25 AM
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No one said that they are good independent of everything else. He didn't become a serial killer, though presumably he is more toxic. I neen to know that that means.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 11:57 PM
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Lol those things are good. Are you a worse person now that you were then and if so, in what way?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 11:29 PM
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So now you have your answer. You have style and charisma and that's why women like you more.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 11:21 PM
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What?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 11:19 PM
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There is always a reason for why men fail. Maybe for some it's truly impossible but I assume it's a small minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 10:55 PM
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Women want masculine men. However when they are very young/inexperienced they can't tell the difference between good masculine man and bad masculine men. Some women, who have severe mental problems, continue to choose bad men even after that point, but they are a small minority and you should be happy to avoid them. Past a certain age, maybe 22, most women want men who are both moral and masculine. If you are good looking and masculine, sane women past that age become more attracted to you when …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 10:43 PM
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Lol there is a name for it. How many women have it? Adult women who are not mentally deranged are attacked to high value features.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 10:30 PM
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We can't control being only turned on by high value men. If that's not you blame nature
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 10:16 PM
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Sorry I mistook you for another blackpiller. Not many women past the age 22 get wet at the thought of being with an actual murderer and those that do are mentally deranged and no man should want them anyway. That's an insane way to see all women. It's like the feminists who think all men are rapists
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 10:05 PM
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I am not sure if the correlation is any stronger there to be honest. There are plenty of smart underachievers. You can be smart but too neurotic to do anything worthwhile. In the same way you can work to make yourself good looking but be neurotic to attract women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 09:59 PM
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Ok then don't. If you are content then that's fine. I am mainly talking about men who come on here to bit and whine about it to no end.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 09:56 PM
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Lol do you want duty sex? Because that is the only other option. You said you don't want a sub-5, well maybe you are also the sub-5 that women don't want.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 09:54 PM
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Women are the gatekeepers; they set the terms, they dictate the rules, the shift they goalposts and ultimately decide who gets to date/have sex/be in a relationship. We can't control what turns us on. Blame nature
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 09:35 PM
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That would make sense if self improvement guaranteed a woman would find them romantically attractive. There are never guarantees in life. You can do your best and still fail and this is very sad. However the number of men who even refuse to try is pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 09:34 PM
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What masculine traits do the feminists that you know acknowledge wanting in a partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 08:00 PM
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No, that's not reality. That's your reality because you're too online.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 05:27 PM
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A disproportionate focus on false accusations over real cases of assault creates a misleading narrative. The focus on false accusations should not overshadow the far more frequent reality: that sexual violence is underreported I asked you this in response to your last post, but you did not reply, so I will ask again. How is rape defined in these studies that gauge its prevalence? I have seen it be defined as, amongst other things, "having had sex when you could not consent due to being intoxicat…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 05:14 PM
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Yes, you are right and I am lumping all the other anti-feminist movements under TRP. Maybe I should just say anti-feminism. I know that they all existed prior but they were not nearly as big as they are today and yes of course there are also other reasons for why they became so big, like the rise on online content creators. However the idea that men are the victims of feminism didn't make any sense before #metoo. Prior to that all intelligent, secular people were feminists. The only anti-feminis…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 03:18 PM
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It's possible that all of these experiences happened just to different people. Maybe we on here did not withdraw but the women in the lives of your friends did.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 07:50 AM
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I did not hear it. I saw it. I knew the people involved and knew all the details. #Metoo was really the moment that we transitioned into a new era. Before that people were expected to be adults, after you can be a crybaby. A woman can say, I was offended by xyz and then then the offensive party was fired for "harassment." Myabe today people today would consider it to be harassment. But honesty people today are pussies and that is kinda the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 06:27 AM
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It was not mainstream then. These grievances made it blow up. Not right away. It was a process but it set those wheels in motion.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 06:05 AM
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Yep. There probably was a small number of dudes who did nothing wrong and got accused of something. There was definitely a much larger group of dudes who *thought* they did nothing wrong and got accused of something. Really?? i have no idea why you think this. Women could just accused anyone of anything. Some of it was true and some of it was false. They did not need any evidence. I am not sure how things worked in cases of criminal prosecution. I don't know anyone who was prosecuted in court, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 05:50 AM
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It's clear to me that women did pick up on a social cue to "see men in a new light" and stop socializing with them, but IRL and in most of the responses in this post I'm getting a sense that few of them were aware that this We did not stop socializing with men. This is what everyone said and I assume people meant it, I sure did. I did not see men in a new light on the interpersonal level and it doesn't sound like any of the other women did either. However on a collective level it did have an eff…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 05:30 AM
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What? These people worked together but their encounter happened outside of work.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 05:18 AM
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I am not sure what you mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 05:07 AM
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This did not happen at work.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 05:01 AM
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Yep this is exactly what I saw.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 04:16 AM
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Men were not bystanders. They were to a large extent victims of it of false allegations. Society had to cast a wide net to catch the actual abusers. But this meant innocent men got caught in this net and no one cared about their feelings and this was the beginning of male aggrievement that we see so much of today. Women were ecstatic that these abusers were being caught and didn't care about the male victims that got caught in the net by accident. This was the beginning of the divide between the…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 03:43 AM
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Umm because we are in the same social circles and I know that they got drunk had sex. She never claimed anything else. She didn't claim that he forced himself on her, only that she cannot recall what happened and that was somehow enough for a rape allegation. Both of these people were big drinkers.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 03:36 AM
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Intent is impossible to prove in such situations. This is exactly the sort of nonsense that #metoo introduced. And anyway the way I saw it implemented was that if both the man and the woman were drunk and the woman had regrets the next day, she can file rape charges. I knew a man personally that was accused this way and he lost his job, though the case was never filed with the police. It was literally one of my first red pills.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 03:23 AM
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Oh no #metoo leaked out into office politics quite a bit. Men who would never harass a woman could now be accused of sexual harassment and fired without evidence. This created a lot of anxiety and the sense that men are mistreated, which up to that point would have seemed laughable to most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 03:19 AM
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Only if they worked together. Employers became very panicky about sexual harassment but otherwise, no, not in my circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 03:16 AM
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Oh really? What if both people are drunk?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 03:15 AM
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No, it lowered the evidence threshold for sexual harassment and rape was redefined to include women getting drunk with a partner and consciously having sex then deciding that it was "rape" because they regretted it. Many men were falsely accused of all sorts of things, and totalitarian tactics of all sorts of adopted in work places to make sure women were not mistreated. I witnessed all of this firsthand. In this way they caught some very bad men but also lots of good men. This understandably ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 03:07 AM
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No #metoo was trending on Twitter for days with women talking about their personal experiences of sexual harassment. It exposed it as a widespread problem and it created a massive amount of rage.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 02:58 AM
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It did not have any effect in my interpersonal life. But it began this whole gender conflict in the media and it ultimatley trickeld down into interpersonal relationships, but that didn't happen until the next generation.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 02:35 AM
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resentful victim complex towards their oppressors and mild disgust. No, most women feel no such thing. Men and women have very emotionally intimate relationships. Do you really think that women could hide such feelings without most men in relationships with them noticing? I think you might lie to me for the same reason that women in real life would lie to me. You fear that I might lash out and hurt women if I know the truth I guess I could. But if you check my post history you can see thet I hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 12:09 AM
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Ok but most women in those countries are still pair-bonding with men and those women account for hundreds of millions of people don't they?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 11:58 PM
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Ok just googled it, I didn't realize that many Gen Z women identified as bisexual. I thought it was mostly other stuff thet was ultimately hetero in practice. I do think it's trendy . However many people are not 100% heterosexual. It's true of men as well, it's just not socially acceptable for them to admit it. Yes women are more agreeable and I guess more scared of men, so yes if they did hate you, they would probably not tell you. Again I am just a stranger online. I cannot prove to you that m…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 11:55 PM
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Another silly theory by another silly feminist? There is no end to what these people will think up.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 11:41 PM
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You said you're Schizoid? That makes sense of your post. I can see why the world looks this way to you but it's an illusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 11:39 PM
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You can believe whatever you want. No one will stop you. It's you're choice. There is a whole silly trend of gen Z identifying as this or that but from what I understand their preferences are still heterosexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 11:38 PM
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Thousands? Out of four billion? Again they are all sorts of nuts the world. It has nothing to do with most women. I don't know if i ever really known a woman who hated men, though we would probably repel each other the moment we met, so I am not saying they don't exist. Some of the ones that hate men do so due to ideological possession. It's not even their natural disposition. They are just prone to mental illness and it expressed itself in this particular way because this is the silly thing tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 11:34 PM
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Lol a handful of nuts posting online? There are 4 billion women in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 11:18 PM
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Schizoid sounds about right. I can see how someone with your constitution would have this much trouble with women. I am not sure what the solution for you is, but your experience it has little to do with most male-female relations.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 11:10 PM
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You people need help and I have no idea who can help you. I love men and so do most women. It sounds like you have managed to creep women out enough that you feel like they are incapacable of liking you. This is not true of all women's reaction to all men. It's true that we have twice as many female ancestors. But this is because there were periods of invasion when all the men were killed and all the women saved and mated with. However this is not the norm in human history. Outside of those peri…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 10:59 PM
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Lol being less intelligent is very negative thing no matter the gender. It’s about defining women and men as opposites, about the “naturalness” of male aggression, competition, and dominance and of female caring, cooperation, and subordination. This does not sound very bad to me. Feminists are hypocrites. They object to whatever they object to and then they seek out out aggression, competitive, and dominant men, like Christian Gray. Feminist women, over all, are no different from red pill women.…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 09:54 PM
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You make a lot of good points. I'm curious if there's any feminist literature on the social/courtship labor that is almost universally expected of men If feminists acknowledged that they like masculine men, they would cease being feminists, so don't hold your breath.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 09:38 PM
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I know it's off topic, but it's funny how most of those are actually really good things that most women, including feminists, want. The only bad thing is the woman's career being secondary and her having the primary responsibility for children, which if she works full time is definitely wrong. Feminists claim to be against toxic masculinity and not masculinity as such but in what sense is most of this stuff toxic?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 02:50 PM
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Rape is defined as sexual penetration with out consent or made to sexually penetrate without consent. If by consent you mean a person cannot be intoxicated, even if awake and even if they chose to become intoxicated, then the idea of consent is ludicrous. Is this the definition of consent used in these surveys? Because this is in fact the modern definition of consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 06:55 AM
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Not all women have the same preferences I never said they did.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 02:56 AM
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If you need your man to be more masculine, fucking tell him. It's not something you can become overnight. It's something that takes a lifetime to develop because it has to go all the way down and not feel like an act. You have to be it not just act it. Men have gotten weaker with every generation and this it been an issue since the late 19th century and maybe earlier. I think men used to be more attractive to women just because they were more masculine. That can make a huge difference. But telli…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 12:08 AM
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This is one of the pitfalls of online dating. Back when we only met people in the wild and had active social lives, you would meet all sorts of people and find that you have amazing chemistry with a guy shorter than you would normally date. On dating apps, this is less likely to happen because there are too many options and you have to set height requirements, for instance, to not waste too much time, same with education requirements etc. This is just a byproduct online dating. And of course eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 08:36 PM
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I have zero interest in "sharing" lol. It's about as unappealing to me as it would be to you. I would much rather be alone. Men need to see the raw truth of female nature, very few us trigger raw desire in women. What do you think they will do with that info?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 04:57 PM
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I know this is so funny. They think we can consciously make ourselves attracted to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 03:56 PM
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It was a lifelong journey. I go back and forth on this within myself. I could be perfectly content in a sexless relationship or one where I simply have duty sex but am honest about it. However I am not willing to lie and most men would not accept the truth, so I just don't pursue that. Whenever I had pursued a relationship like that there was no spark at first, but I was absolutely was enamored with the guy and was hoping the spark would come after some time. I know now that this never happens, …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 03:17 PM
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It's incredible how many people on here can't see that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 02:54 PM
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Divorce rate these days is the same as it was in the 1920s… has been going down since the 1980s. https://images.app.goo.gl/tfHY2xd199JvR9Us7 This is not true. Also, far fewer people, especially among the lower classes get marreid, they just have kids out of wedlock.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 02:53 PM
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Yes, I think so as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 04:13 AM
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Ok...interesting. But I won't date a guy who doesn't like me for the unique aspects of my personality. So I guess I am picky enough to screen men out who are looking for something more generic.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 09:49 PM
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This post is not about anything that I am doing now. I have done it in the past though. I have dated men I was very attracted to and men I was lukewarm about. It's hard to find a partner that you're compatible with in every respect. You always have to put up with something. Not having great sex is just one among many things you can choose to put up with. That was my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 09:33 PM
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Lol that's not most men. That's OP's experience with the men she dates. It's not my experience with the men I date.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 09:02 PM
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This has nothing to do with comparison. My feelings have never changed. I have never had casual sex with anyone. The men that turn me on always have and those that don't never have and never will. Red pill men love to scapegoat alphas etc. It's true that women can sleep with better men than will commit to them. And maybe this conviced some women that they are entitled to those men. But sexual attraction has zero to do with this. I would be attracted to who I am attracted no matter what. The guy …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 08:57 PM
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Who said anything about cheating. A woman in this situation has no desire to cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 08:11 PM
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What are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 07:29 PM
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Interesting. I could never date the sort of men that you describe. It sounds like guys who just want sex. I only ever date men who are interested in the unique things about me. As for women yeah, this is exactly why I could never be a lesbian. It feels like it would create a terrible imbalance. I really crave that grounding male energy to chill me out. I can't imagine having to deal with another one of me. It sounds explosive.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 06:12 PM
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Look I know that I am about unleash a shitstorm here but here is my answer. The men I am talking about are never ugly but closer to average. They can even above average and the problem may not be so much physical attraction as something else that is harder to pinpoint. Here comes the part everyone will downvote: women's self-esteem is tied to their appearance to such an extent that you can never criticize a woman's appearance without triggering an explosion. Every man who has dated a woman knows…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 05:57 PM
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Congrats man. Most of us can't expect to be that lucky.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 05:32 PM
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If you google Victorian porn you just get stuff from sites like pornhub
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 05:25 PM
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I'd be curious to hear your take on the difference between LTRs with women vs men. Bi-sexuals really have a unique perspective from having been with both men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 05:16 PM
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Do you honestly believe it's possible to find a perfect person? I have been head over heels in love before but there is always stuff that i did not like about my partner. Maybe he tends to have a tone that is a bit too sharp a bit too often and hurts my feelings. Maybe he has kids from a previous relationship and I am not his number one. Maybe he is of another race and your family won't accept him. Every relationship has problems. Good luck finding one that doesn't
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 04:47 PM
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Ok replace us. We won't even notice that men like you are gone because we don't notice when you're around anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 04:31 PM
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It's not ideal. I never claimed that it was. Life is tough. What can I say.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 04:24 PM
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It's men's problem too because they will be on the receiving end of this, unless they improve or just give up on women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 04:22 PM
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I am not following you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 04:20 PM
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This post is not about asexuals.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 04:18 PM
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What work could women do make themselves more attracted to men who they are not already attracted to?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 04:03 PM
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I appreciate your honesty!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 04:01 PM
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But realistically, most women do actually want as much sex as men do, I don't know what percentage of women woukd be ok with this kind of relationship. I am not saying most would. I am just saying some would and they definitely don't see it as emotional blackmail (and neither would the men). They see it as a conscious choice they made in an imperfect world, which made their lives better, all things considered.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 04:00 PM
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I am not sure about how to navigate honesty.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 03:55 PM
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Women can't make themselves attracted to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 03:54 PM
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Sex is not always good or bad. Sometimes (for different reasons) it's mediocre. Many men here have an intense aversion to mediocre sex and class it as bad. I am indeed accepting their definitions here because I am trying to engage with them, so I think it's best to speak their language. And yes sex can't always be amazing and maybe you don't have to think of it as settling if amazing sex rarely happens in your marriage anymore. You may just frame it as "working with reality." I don't know if it …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 03:48 PM
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but does not much sexual chemistry with "I accidentally a fleshlight" What?? she can call herself "Chadsexual", Who cares what anyone calls it. The reality is still the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 02:58 PM
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You're not asexual if you feel sexually aroused by others. Like if you have in the past had sexually satisfying relationships and have occasional sexual fantasies etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 02:57 PM
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It's not about the resources. You missed the whole point of the post.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 02:51 PM
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Not everyone is like you i guess. People are different it does not mean that they are asexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 02:49 PM
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No you cuddle and hug etc. You do plenty of that stuff and you thoroughly enjoy it. You just don't enjoy the sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 02:42 PM
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Many people view great sex as shallow and not all that satisfying, more like scratching an itch than anything else. It is also addictive like a drug and it leads people to sacrifice things that are more satisfying for it, e.g. break up their families. I understand your point of view but you must understand that not everyone shares it and that such people don't necessarily have low standards in life but simply prioritize others things that they find makes their lives more fulfilling. Since we can…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 02:40 PM
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Not all women see it as "emotional blackmail" lol, and women who choose these relationships are not victims. They just think that there are a dozen other things more important than sex and you can't have everything you want. Some things have to be sacrificed in order to get other thing and this is just one thing that they are willing to sacrifice because they don't really miss it when it's gone.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 02:31 PM
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I think like many other people on here you fundamentally misunderstand the fact that sex is simply not that important to everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 02:27 PM
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The Bible doesn't talk about female sexual pleasure very much. It tells people to be fruitful and multiply. It does not mean that women were expected to enjoy all that sex. It also tells husbands and wives not to deny each other, which, among other things, means have sex even if you don't feel like it, i.e. duty sex. and when your sex is backed by the love and joy of a husband and wife coming together to bring children into the world to make a happy family then whether or not your partner fits a…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 02:21 PM
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If a woman's only options are: be pumped and dumped by Chad, be with a hot guy that she does not connect with well enough, be sad and lonely, or be with a guy she adores but does not have much sexual chemistry with then the latter may be preferable. It doesn't mean that she is a lesbian.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 02:15 PM
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I am not saying everyone should be seeking this out. I am just explaining how it works when women settle sexually and what motivates them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 02:10 PM
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It sounds like men have some work to do if they want women to want to have sex with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 01:54 PM
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Society tell her that she should pursue better looking men because she is missing out. Couples like that used to stay together all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 01:50 PM
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Are you a blackpiller? Because that's a blackpill talking point, i.e., a man's romantic/sexual success with women is determined on the basis of his looks, I didn't realize this was "blackpill." I thought it was just common sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 01:49 PM
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Fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 01:48 PM
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I am not following you. Maybe you can explain.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 01:45 PM
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People have such a hard time understanding that sex is just not that important to everyone. It's like having intellectual discussions is really important to some people and not to others. I can't imagine being with a person who I couldn't have intellectual intercourse with that both of us enjoyed, and others just don't like intellectual intercourse at all and would rather not have it with their partner or anyone else. Maybe sex is like this for some people. Though even for people who do enjoy it…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 01:39 PM
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I read the Wikipedia entry on female sexuality and I admit it was very surprising.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 01:28 PM
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You insist on denying the obvious differences between men and women, even though you lean red pill. I am not going to belabor the point because it's obvious to any honest observer. I am not saying it's not insulting to men but we all know how easy it is for men to get hard and to cum -they will fuck anything - and how difficult it is for women to get turned on and to orgasm. I won't respond to any more comments from you to this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 05:17 AM
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I agree! They should become more attractive but so many on here think they can't or simply won't. This post is for the doomers I guess, and the people who don't think sex is not all that important.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 04:31 AM
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How were women supposed to get by without a man? Did they build their own houses? Seemed not very common. Women always depended on men for stuff like that. They never got by on their own. But honestly people in general depended on each other. We always lived in groups, tribes, clans, villages, nations. I am not sure how this relates to the post though.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 04:28 AM
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Fair enough. We can't always have what we want. Humans, for the most part, have always been monogamous so that is not going to change. If a guy is attractive enough to inspire many women to want him then fine, have at it. Most men are not. But the vast majority of men have never had great sex with many women or even one woman. Maybe it's just better to accept our fates. Maybe our expectations are just unrealistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 04:11 AM
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See I am not talking about not have semi-consistent sex. I am talking about the woman doing it without really enjoying it very much. I think there is a lot of pressure on women to enjoy sex and we fake organsm far more often than men realize.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 04:04 AM
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That's fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 02:46 AM
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Men can get off to almost anything, so if he could not get off to me, well that is far more insulting. Women have a much harder time getting off (see the orgasm gap), so it's really not the same. But I get what you're saying it's insulting either way. The only other alternative is to become desirable or find a woman for whom you are desirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 02:43 AM
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You have every right to reject this. I am just clarifying what it means so men are not confused by the alternative to becoming sexually desirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 02:34 AM
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This is exactly right.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 02:17 AM
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It's very hard to find the right sex partner who is also the right partner on all the other levels. Some people beleive that sex is not that important. You are clearly not one of them but the people who believe this are not necessarily desperate. They just have different values.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 02:02 AM
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Yes it is. And people used to accept it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 01:49 AM
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I think you are exaggerating the bad. We all settle. No one is perfect. We can wait around for Mr or Miss Perfect, which is fine, but you must realize that you will never find them. We judge these partnerships harshly today only because we value sex so highly as a culture. But it's not that important to all people and maybe not as important as we believe. You can have a perfectly satisfying relationship with bad sex if you don't put so much value on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 01:47 AM
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It's a personal choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 01:42 AM
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Its not easy for women to find men that they are sexually attracted to, and who they also genuinely like as people and want to be around and who feel the same about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 01:38 AM
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Yeah you can still have sex. It just won't be very exciting.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 01:22 AM
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Fair enough women do all the other stuff. Haircare, skin care, regular hair removal, high heels, make-up (men like some of it but not too much). This stuff is very time consuming to figure out.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 10:11 PM
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August 2021–August 2023: 41.3% of women and 39.2% of men were obese 2017–2018: 42.1% of women and 43.0% of men were obese 2023: 34% of women and 32% of men were obese Not replying to the remainder of your dumb comments
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 10:09 PM
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An average model (before they made models ugly) was still an average model. An average in two different distributions are not equal just because they are average.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 10:07 PM
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What?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 10:04 PM
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We are all settled for. No one gets everything they want in a partner. Sometimes women accept less sexual satisfaction in order to be with a man whose company they enjoy and who they otherwise love. Men go nuts over this and hate women for it, as though it's our fault that you are not that sexually exciting and as though we can just choose to be sexually excited by you. We can just not be with you but chances are other women won't find you very sexually exciting either. It's up to you to fix it …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 10:03 PM
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Thanks man, yes everything you say is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 09:58 PM
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I am not sure what soft looksmaxxing is but getting ripped will make a huge difference for nearly every one
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 09:52 PM
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Women on here are whining all the time about men not wanting them? Please link.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 08:30 PM
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It depends on the context.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 08:29 PM
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Again you are in deep. I desire men because I love them and so does every woman I know. Women need men in the same way men need women. We are made for each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 08:20 PM
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There are no guarantees. Chances are if they are not getting any female attention they are not putting in enough effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 07:40 PM
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Well if they are not liked by the men they want they have try and be better. But they are not the ones here whining every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 07:38 PM
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Do women and society tell you that women don't care about looks? You don't see them lusting over celebrities?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 07:28 PM
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You seem very lost. Women love men and they need them and always will. I am sorry you don't see women around you desiring men but believe me we do. It's the reason we work so hard to look good (no it's not just for ourselves!)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 07:27 PM
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What??
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 07:25 PM
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Get lost. Men are more likely to get shot and stabbed but the vast majorty of men are never shot and stabbed.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 07:24 PM
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Women have always wanted men to be assertive. Do yourself a favor and ignore the feminists. Look at the men women like and become like those men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 07:22 PM
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No but if you put in the enough effort you should get some female attention. I have my type. You may not be it but you will be someone's type.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 07:20 PM
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Yes, and you are right. Feminists need to stop whining too.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 07:18 PM
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Ok...I don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 07:18 PM
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DM me a shirtless pic. This does not sound believable
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 07:17 PM
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Do you lift weights 5-6 times a week? If so you shouldn't just be average. A lot of it depends on personality. You have traits that women find very aversive.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 07:16 PM
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I am suspicious. DM me a shirtless pic
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 07:14 PM
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Women don't like men who seek their validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 07:11 PM
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You can keep your weight down so you don't get fat. This is still a lot of work. And you have no clue how difficult hair care can be.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 07:10 PM
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This is weird. When women settle for a man sexually it does not mean that they are using him or don't like him as a person. They typically really love the man and enjoy spending time with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 07:08 PM
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These characteristics aren't shallow and they can be complimentary. A man who is soft to me but hard to people who try undermine him for instance. Soft in some situations and hard in others. There is nothing contradictory here.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 07:04 PM
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Most men do not get stabbed or experience permanent injury...this is ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 07:02 PM
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Irrelevant, what I do. I see other women do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 07:00 PM
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There is both a subjective and a universal element to looks. It doesn't mean that a man who wants to improve his appearance is lost at sea. He knows what he has to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 06:56 PM
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Yes and? What is your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 06:55 PM
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These are very good points!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 06:54 PM
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Women absolutely do not like it when you’re timid and too careful and too concerned with their experience. I know people hate to admit it. Yes women like an edge in the male personality. They don't like men who seek their validation. You should focus on just making yourself better for your own good. Most things women like, once they are like past 22 or so are things that are good for the men themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 06:51 PM
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Oh...good question. They shouldn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 06:48 PM
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I am not talking about hiding fat but losing weight. And I am not talking about make up either but having your hair and skin look naturally good. It takes a lot of work to find the right hair color, hair style, and length and some of us have hair is very difficult to manage. It's hard to keep it looking good and healthy. It takes a long time to figure this out.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 06:29 PM
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Oh well women let themselves go too.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 06:27 PM
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Women are not the ones desperate to be liked.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 06:26 PM
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Yes Van Diesal is very hot. What point are you trying to make with the tattoo example?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 06:18 PM
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How about you just stop blaming us for being wired the way we are?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 06:13 PM
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Yes I mean more and yes I do know about men's experiences because I have male friends and see men with women all the time. And yes I see short men with women all the time and I have known very short men 5'4 who were total chads and had constant influx of hot women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 06:12 PM
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How is build? Are you muscular? Are in the gym 4-5 days a week?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 06:09 PM
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Men and women usually have to do different things to be attractive. For many women weightless is the most important thing that is best dealt with by changing the diet. For men it's building muscle that you can only do at the gym.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 06:07 PM
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I never said maybe. We don't encounter this type of whining on this sub but I see it elsewhere for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 06:05 PM
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Bullshit. We see the way men react when we do xyz and when we don't. They don't even know what they are reacting to most of the time. But you as a woman know, I did this thing and I got more attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 05:49 PM
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You have to maintain this worldview that any man’s failure with women is due to his actions and never to uncontrollable factors I see what men look like and the way they act. I am in the dating market too. I am sure that there are some men out there doing their beat and still getting nothing but this is very much not what I see when I swipe through Tinder or go out on dates. I see men who make no effort to look good. Many are so clueless they don't even know what they should be doing. There subs…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 05:47 PM
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I have been on dating apps. There is a lot of room for improvement in the male population.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 05:37 PM
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This is true and many women are indeed choosing to remain single instead of settling.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 05:33 PM
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I mean to some extent but this is just pointless, childish whining. I don't think it serves any purpose other than making people who struggle in life feel more discouraged by normalizing weakness. Weak men don't do well with women. If they want to improve they are moving in the opposite direction.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 05:28 PM
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Why do I care? I would never date one.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 05:25 PM
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I am a masochist who thinks that there is someone out there that needs to hear what I say so i subject myself to this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 05:25 PM
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In 2017–2018, 34.1% of men and 27.5% of women were overweight In August 2021–August 2023, 39.2% of men and 41.3% of women were obese It's not a costume. It's called taking care of yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 05:14 PM
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Good points!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 04:42 PM
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It does not. This is the feminist myth. We live in a tough world and we have to be tough ourselves. Our lives are so much easier than our ancestors that we have become very soft. But actually it is kinds good to fight through adversity, not let people walk all over you, to take risks etc. The classic masculine values are all good for men and society.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 04:39 PM
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Ummm....probably because they have let themselves go?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 04:36 PM
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Have you read any posts here lately?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 04:36 PM
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Yup women become less physically attractive at a younger age and men have a greater advantage when we get older.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 04:35 PM
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How tall are you? DM me a photo and I will tell you if there is more that you can do. You can feel whatever you want but if you are so ugly that even ugly women won't have duty sex with you and there is really nothing you can do about it then you have to just accept your fate and focus your energies on something else. Many great men in history were rejected by women. Nietzsche is one such example.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 04:31 PM
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Ok great. I am all for these men focusing their energy on something more productive. It seems like they only want to whine though.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 04:28 PM
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I am sick of hearing about it. It's childish.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 04:26 PM
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I think he would have to be make than just short to not even be able to find duty sex, unless he is literally a midget.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 04:25 PM
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NOT focus on their pleasure at all and instead a little selfish. Big difference between not focusing on their pleasure at all and being a little selfish. A healthy woman will not stay with a man who does not focus on her pleasure at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 04:24 PM
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This objectively false. Most people end up with their looksmatch. Google it. There are so many studies. People also to a large extent agree on who is attractive. It's very hard to find a man or a woman that the opposite sex goes crazy for that you consider ugly. This is how the movie industry works. They find the people that we all think are hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 04:21 PM
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It’s also weird to present specifically female sexual attraction as something which depends on traits when it’s true for men as well Male sexual attraction is a lot more visual. There are no personality traits that are universally liked among women Certain types of men a lot more likely to be liked: strong, confident, competent, and charismatic.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 04:16 PM
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Yes we are all settled for because we are all imperfect.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 04:12 PM
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Does venting make it easier to make the changes they need to make to make their sex life better or to accept their fate? Or does it make them feel more doomed?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 04:11 PM
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Not exactly. I want someone who combines hard and soft in an organic way.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 04:06 PM
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Yes for sure, women should be honest. I agree with that. I would have to see a photo of a man that did everything right but still can't even find duty sex. I am sure such people exist but I strongly suspect that people who claim to be those people have really not done everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 04:01 PM
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And we should be able to say that we don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 03:58 PM
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Take men and women not investing in their looks at all and see the difference. You will be very hard pressed to find women who invest nothing in their looks. But yes of course women will still have breasts and hips. Some women have a lot of natural beauty: skin that requires no care, hair that always looks good no matter what. This is not the norm. Most women have to work on those things. We also have to keep our weight down with diet and exercise. At minimum a woman that did not care for hersel…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 03:52 PM
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You mean men that are rough around the edges but you want them to be soft on the inside? This
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 03:46 PM
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Plenty of men do too. But the fact that the average woman is more desirable than the average man means that she is more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 03:42 PM
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If a woman finds nothing but men who want situationships and whines about men's refusal to commit, she is doing something wrong. She either has to make herself more worthy of commitment from the men she wants or chose different men. And if I constantly read posts from women who complain that there is nothing but situationships out there, I would surely say the same thing. You only have two choices: change your fate or accept it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 03:40 PM
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They are. This is why you desire them but they don't desire you. This is what attraction is: the amount of desire that you inspire.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 03:35 PM
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I agree with that. Women should be more honest about they find attractive. But no that is not all that men are annoyed about. They are constantly annoyed about being settled for sexually.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 03:32 PM
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Lol you're missing the point the women here are trying to make. They are saying that they also do that. But when they do it you people flip out because now they are settling for you. We all settle. You can't have the best person or even the best hundred people. But men get angry because they are not getting passionate sex. If you want passionate sex you have to be hot enough to inspire it! If you don't want to become hot enough or if a you are part of the small minority that is horribly ugly and…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 02:38 PM
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The average woman is much better looking than the average man. Men can't even manage basic hygiene a lot of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 02:28 PM
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The escape instinct is a helluva drug. My cat is currently dashing all over my apartment and literally bouncing off the walls for no reason. Burst-runner's gonna burst-run. You do realize your cat is not actually escaping anything but playing, right? If the old babysitter is dead (and you admitted that the male lion defends the cubs while the female is hunting), and it would be easier to raise cubs to adulthood with a babysitter, and the new babysitter requires a clean slate to agree to the job,…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 04:26 AM
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The "escape" thing is often just a natural "wild animals don't like being incapacitated" instinct. Not to mention that felines have barbed dicks to scrape out competitor sperm Animals don't try to escape form experiences they want. And yes I know about the feline barbed dicks, another reason to escape. The females cannot typicallydrive out males. I never said that never happens but only that it's not the norm. Your anecdotal citations are irrelevant. I already noted that lionesses kill cubs for …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 03:53 AM
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I guess this is the feminist reading of nature lol that gives lionesses way more power and agency than they really have. It's about as accurate as other feminist claims. The lionesses do not choose thier sex partners, they are raped like most female mammals. Have you ever seen street dogs or cats in heat and mating? It doesn't sound like it. The females go into heat and their bodies put out pheromones. Then they are ganged up on by the males and the female is often trying to escape. The females …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 02:52 AM
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The males? They are driven out by other males lol who kill the young and mate with the females. It sure does not sound like "matriarchy." Also there is always a big difference in size and strength between males and females among mammals and harems are very common.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 02:28 AM
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I don't know too much about animal social organization but I strongly suspect that what you are saying is false. I know lion prides consist of one or more brothers who took over the pride and of females related to each other that they mate with. The females hunt. The males patrol the territory to protect it from other males who threaten to take over the pride and kill the young. The males eat first.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 01:57 AM
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It's impossible to give feedback online, though, so i doubt your will find anything helpful here. Whatever is happening can only be observed in person.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 03:58 AM
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It seems like you need a woman there to see what is really happening and why these women come to see you as a predator.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 03:50 AM
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Do you have female friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 03:29 AM
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I suspect you are looking at them weird first because I don't naturally just look at men as though they are predators. I ignore 99.99% of men in the same way I ignore 99.99% of women and I suspect that others do the same unless they bring attention to themselves, so you are probably doing something to attract this attention e.g., staring, making eye contact, feeling paranoid. I also think that this is probably a question for a therapist not the purple pill forum.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 03:15 AM
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Well, think of a man that you really admire and wish to be like, chances are he is one such example. I don't watch movies made after 2009 due to excess wokeness, so all my pop culture examples will be dated. But typically the hero in any movie is an example of it. I am thinking Neo and Morpheus from the original Matrix, Leonardo DiCaprio's character from the Titanic, pretty much any male character from classic Hollywood movies (30s, 40, and 50s) who was not explicitly a villan. You know men who …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 06:44 PM
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Uncivilized masculinity is better than no masculinity, especially to young women who don't understand the consequences of dealing with it. Civilized masculinity is best of all, especially for women who are grown-up (22+) and not mentally deranged.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 04:26 PM
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I don't really know what you're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 02:37 AM
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There is no "domestic violence epidemic." Most things counted as domestic violence on surveys are minor (though dumb because adults should know how to use their words) and the sort of extreme stuff we imagine when we think of domestic violence is rare. There is no evidence that BDSM is associated with domestic violence. And it's not abuse if it's consensual.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 01:50 AM
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Is it? How so? If masculinity is performomative for you most of the time, then I can see it. But if it is something that you have fully imbibed and then no it is not, at least not most of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 10:51 PM
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People need an outlet for the darker parts of their nature. No one is "good" all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 10:46 PM
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No I don't expect a man to be in control of himself 100% of the time, no one does
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 09:58 PM
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I didn't say it had to be there 100% of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 09:53 PM
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Yes boys are not raised to be men, and they should be, and it's not fair that they have to go through the painful process of disillusionment. Women want a mix of soft and hard. This is precisely what makes the relationship exciting. If it's all soft then it's boring. If it's all hard then it's too dangerous. If it's both it satisfies their need for emotional intimacy and sexual excitement. IMO the reason for the rise of BDSM is due to the collapse of the polarity between the genders. Now it must…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 09:53 PM
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Eh I wouldn't say that. You can break down every once in a while, so long as it's not physical violence directed at anyone. You can blow up and you can even cry occasionally. Kinks are ok, not sure why you think they are not. But honestly you actually have to be masculine not pretend to be it. I think this is where the disconnect is.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 09:39 PM
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These posts are so painful to read, you almost have to be a masochist to be on this forum. Women have always loved masculine men, and it was never a "secret." What planet do you people live on?? And aside from misguided teenagers and unhinged adults, women have always wanted masculinity to be expressed in socially constructive way. I only recognized one of your "villains," Christian Gray, and he is a Dom sexually but is also a very loving, respectful, and committed partner and he really provided…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 09:13 PM
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You have a ludicrous understanding of masculinity. Domination is not cavemen beating each other over the head. It's men trying to outdo each other and be the best. Of course this also involves cooperation. It involves both cooperation and competition.
/r/ExRedPill22/02/25 05:57 PM
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Nearly every advance in human history was the product of manhood and the need to be dominant.
/r/ExRedPill22/02/25 05:24 PM
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You're confusing insecurity with masculinity. A man can be confident, competent and assertive without being insecure.
/r/ExRedPill22/02/25 05:16 PM
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Many things become authentic if you do them long enough, especially when you're young.
/r/ExRedPill22/02/25 05:05 PM
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Follow https://x.com/datepsych?t=mG_en6kyivcdcxxuRBJ0jA&s=09 On X, he is a social scientist that explodes a lot of the manosphere myths.
/r/ExRedPill22/02/25 04:23 PM
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Look, people are attracted to whatever they are attracted to and they can't change that. You are surely no different. Presumably you would not date a 200 lbs woman or grotesquely disfugured woman even if she was a great person. The advice to be yourself is a double-edged sword. It may make you feel more authentic which will make you more likable but it will also turn some people off because it's just not authentic for them to like you. Only you can decide if it's worth it. Women are attracted to…
/r/ExRedPill22/02/25 03:53 PM
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Your idealogiy has rotted your brain.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 02:54 PM
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Every man out there accused of rape because he had sex with a fully conscious and consenting woman after they both had some drinks. I knew one personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 12:43 PM
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It's a recent phenomenon. It began with the #MeToo movement where society made it easier to for women to accused men of all sorts of things. It exposed some very bad men and trashed lots of good men for no reason. This fueled the men's right movement/red pill. There is more to it but thats it in a nutshell. But now Zoomers have been raised on gender wars and the conviction that this that this is reality, while it's just some absurd phase in human history. It will pass, but hopefully without doin…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 04:26 AM
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What are you talking about? Men have always been like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 03:57 AM
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What do you mean it's socialized? It's biological. Men are less sensitive to oxytocin, one of the bonding chemicals released during sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 11:19 PM
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You are so clueless. I am going to end this conversation. Men very rarely get used for sex. Women don't have to do that because men will fuck anything. No, a woman used for sex does not feel wanted! She feels like a piece of toilet paper that you used and threw away. You don't see it because you are used to women who are very selective about who they have sex with. Men are not selective at all. It does not boost a woman's self-esteem to have a man use her for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 09:13 PM
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Lol that you think being used for sex is like being used for IG follows! Being used for money is a bit closer but not close enough. I have been used in other ways before by people. None of it compares to a guy who pretends to develop intimacy with you just to use you for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 09:08 PM
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Most men have no clue how degrading objectification feels to women. We do not experience it in the same way at all. It's more like you would feel just being used for money but much much more intense because this is something so intimate. It's an incredibly brutal experience. You have no idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 09:01 PM
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Women make A LOT more effort to look good. They are obsessed with their appearance throughout their entire adolescence and do nothing but find every possible way to make their hair, skin, body and clothes more flattering. Men can barely maintain basic hygiene. The average woman is a lot better looking than the average man. Men don't understand this because they tend to have no aesthetic taste and don't see how unattractive they really are.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 08:56 PM
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On the flip side some of my friends who were women that I would say were about average in looks could swipe right and match with almost every person that they swiped on. Most of those men only want sex. Men can't seem to get it through their heads that women still have to struggle to find a good relationship-oriented man. And "good" is not some unreasonable standard. Most men can't even manage to shave their neckberds and put on clean clothes to go on a date.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 08:52 PM
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Men are more capable of having sex without getting attached. Men are less likely to contract STIs. Oh yeah and the orgasm gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 08:37 PM
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No expectation of women to make any concessions. They should keep modernity and all of the benefits, while men are expected to struggle even harder to achieve a traditional role that women compete with them in. Women only compete with men economically, but men compete with other men anyway. So your struggles with career would likely not be very different even if women were not in the workforce. I am against affirmative action for anyone but the victimhood narrative in the men's right moment is j…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 10:05 PM
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Yeah then I don't get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 08:57 PM
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I mean do the comments say "you're beautiful, you're hot" etc. Or do they say what they would like to do to her?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 07:09 PM
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This is a very interesting point. The more of the positive traits you want, the more of the negative you should be ready to deal with. Maybe true. Everything has a price.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 06:04 AM
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You open up tinder 70% of the girls that select "Looking for a long-term relationship" have an ass pic or a bikini one. This is tricky and I struggle with it too and am not always sure where the line is because you want men to be attracted to you. It's a dating app after all. You want them to see what you got so they know if they want it or not. Men with nice chests and arms definitely show those off. It's different than wearing super reveling clothes to the store or the gym etc. Where is the li…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 01:10 AM
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The solution to some of these are would be for women to not hold men to old gender roles You are talking to the wrong person. I think it should go the other way around. I would gladly give up the, mostly imaginary, benefits of feminism to have proper men in the world. Women doing some of the approaching, some of the rejection taking, being willing to see men as partners instead of “providers” (wallets) isn’t something a lot of modern women want to do. Women won't do it because it's unnatural and…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 11:40 PM
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I think men were never meant to get their validation from women in the way women were meant to get it from men. Women usually don't like men that seek their validation, while the reverse does not hold. I think boys always struggled to become men. Prior to social media/dating sites, young people had to socialize with each other and deal with all the difficulty that this entails. You attracted people like yourself but also had friends different from you. You were less likely to spiral into hopeles…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 08:25 PM
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The cognitive dissonance where they bait men, then play the victim if he even looks her way is insanity. This is true and it was true of me at that age as well. I didn't realize that this is what I was doing and I suspect they don't either. Women who are beautiful are treated so much better than women who are not that all women's self-esteem is based to large extent on their looks. This is ten times as true for teen girls in a midst of a stormy adolescence. They want to feel grown-up and the med…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 06:09 PM
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It's not easy to define and not easy for men to understand because they usually enjoy being sexually objectified. In the most simplest terms, it's being seen as a thing to be used without regard for you as a person. Men who push themselves on you when you without any regard for whether you want it or not, do it. Men who lie to women to get them to have sex with them do it. Men who focus on the physical over other parts of you when you first meet them do it (though I guess some women like that be…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 05:12 PM
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Yes, you may be right. I personally couldn't tolerate any of it from a man to whom I was not deeply connected, but I know not all women are like that. Perhaps if I was not as badly traumatized by the objectification I experienced in my youth I would not have such intense reactions to it now, or maybe this is just the way I am wired. I don't know. But whatever it is, it is a common disposition.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 04:46 PM
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It is empowering until you realize that you are being degraded.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 04:10 PM
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Prior to the most recent generation, men never saw themselves this way. I always had a lot of male friends growing up who opened up to me. I suspect even today, most men don't see themselves this way, except in online spaces.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 04:08 PM
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Most women have other options. My point is that strippers and prostitutes are paid insane amounts of money for just a few hours work because most women simply cannot stomach the objectification of those industries and they would rather do the ordinary, mundane work, and work much longer hours for pennies comparatively, than be objectified. I don't go on Instagram, but I assume men aren't making lewd comments to them all the time, otherwise they would probably be banned. They are probably just te…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 03:52 PM
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I don't care enough to do all that. Maybe you can give me a summary and tell me why it matters for this dicussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 07:52 AM
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How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 07:42 AM
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Yes this is right. Teenage girls don't really understand what's behind all this "positive" attention at first, and when they do they are often shocked. Young women generally just can't help but try and attract it because it's so...potent. But at some point they get burned and become very selective about who they allow to sexualize them. Objectification, unless it's experienced in the context of love, is one of the worst feelings IMO. This is why strippers and prostitutes are paid so well, becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 07:00 AM
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Sexual attention is a double-edged sword for women. On the one hand it is power and potentially money, and on the other hand, it's very unpleasant because it's objectifying. The odd thing about the feminist narrative is that it insists that you can have one without the other. This is one of the many lies it tells. As women grow up, they realize that sexual attention is something that most of them don't really want unless it comes from the right person: the man they love. But teenage girls have t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 06:35 AM
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Wait...what??
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 12:20 AM
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This is exactly right! No amount of beta can make up for a total lack alpha and a lack of physical attraction but a certain degree of beta traits enhance alpha and make him even more hot, not to mention much better relationship material. Most women need to feel safe with a man to enjoy having sex with him at all but most of all in the disinhibited way.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 07:43 PM
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I think the answer is that certain qualities are more common/more intense in men and others are more common/more intense in women. We all shares the same qualities but to different degrees. If they are not tied to gender then the very notion of masculinity has no meaning and the gender binary doesn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 04:39 AM
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That is such a strange reading of my comment. The abusive guy was only able to take advantage of me because I was too young to know any better. I am sure pro-athletes and types like that can get away with anything but he was nothing like that and this was decades ago, so long before any male loneliness epidemic. He is not "the lucky one." He is a guy who ended up living a shitty life. The guys I am attracted to now are well off and well rounded. They get all my passion. It's not like they get le…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 12:37 AM
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I have no idea why this sounds bad to you. Maybe you can explain.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 12:07 AM
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What the male red pill doesn't understand is that women's definition of alpha changes. When I was very young I was attracted to abusive men because I thought that was alpha. When I got a bit older (and this happened fast) I realized that those men were just pathetic and they were no longer alpha in my eyes. They no longer turned me on. And no, I did not have better sex with the abusive guy. It was worse actually. As I got older, my version of alpha became more the business type in a suit who I w…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 10:51 PM
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Lol this is so true. There are constellations of masculine and feminine traits and we all know what they are and we all know that some are more common with one sex than the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 10:24 PM
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You have to be insane to believe this.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 11:31 PM
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We'll just have to agree to disagree
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 07:50 PM
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Lol this hilarious gaslighting. I have no data to cite for you because social sciences have been a far left stronghold for many decades and it simply does not collect data things it does not want to find. But any honest observer of culture would have to admit this. Sadly this isn't you so we have reached the end of this discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 07:49 PM
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How many times have you heard men describe their woman as their rock lol. Yeah we all need someone to lean on. And I am definitely happy to be there for the man I love. But if he had a higher anxiety levels than me then I would be out. If he was generally less competent at dealing with life issues than me then I would be out. If he expected me to provide for him (save for some short period of time), I would be out. If we were the same in these respects it would be OK. But if he was better in the…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 07:45 PM
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This is literally the essence of masculinity in nearly every culture (except for maybe some weird isolated tribe of 50 people somewhere).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 07:37 PM
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Lol it's confusing why women would want a man to lean on in times of need? You ever hear women describe their man as their rock? What do you think that means?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 07:34 PM
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Because that is the way I am wired and I would bet any amount of money that most women are wired that way as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 07:32 PM
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Most women would not want a man who is more tender than she is.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 06:45 PM
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Good question. It's not there are traits women shouldn't have. But I want a man who is mentally and physically stronger than me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 06:44 PM
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It's a problem because women are sexually attracted to masculine men. If you raise boys to develop in any which way without regard for what is masculine and what is feminine they will grow up to be men that women are no longer sexually attracted to. And this is precisely why so many men have a hard time today attracting women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 05:42 PM
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I know feminists believe that the gender binary is an illusion. But attraction to a very large extent is based on the polarity between the masculine and the feminine. Feminism destroys that polarity and makes men less attractive to women hence the huge growth of incels. In the past they would have just been told to man up when they were kids and would not become the pathetic whinny bitches that they are. Today such tactics are less acceptable so men don't strive to embody the masculine traits th…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 05:34 PM
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Yes this is exactly what the response on r/feminism would be. And that is my point. They believe the gender binary is fiction. There is no positive masculinity (as there are no uniquely masculine traits) but they still believe in toxic masculinity. Very odd. There are no uniquely positive masculine traits but there are uniquely negative masculine traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 05:28 PM
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Lol that's meaningless! It lists a bunch of traits some of which is traditionally masculine and some of which are traditionally feminine then says that none of them are male specific. Then it says masculine traits are just ones that men have in other words there aren't any masculine traits (unless of course they are toxic lol in which case they are male specific.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 05:20 PM
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So in what sense is it positive masculinity? Surely not in any meaningful sense. So they would just be denying that positive masculinity exists and yet still affirming toxic masculinity...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 05:14 PM
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Ok the problem is that women are still attracted to masculine men and not only physically masculine either.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 05:09 PM
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Tell me of a better way.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 05:07 PM
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nor aims to destroy the gender binary. "Gender essentialism is a useless relic of the past. Every trait given by people to define positive masculinity is a healthy trait to have as a woman. I think we should just do away with the terms altogether." This is literally the second to top comment
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 05:04 PM
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Why do you think they wouldn't be considered positive masculine role models? I never said they wouldn't. Willingness to stand up for their beliefs, empathy, emotional availability, competence What do you think would happen if we replied to that r/feminism post with these traits?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 05:02 PM
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They are more into dominating though.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 05:00 PM
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Ok fair enough those are traditionally masculine traits. What do you think would happen if you replied to that post on r/feminism with these types and their traits? We can do it as experiment and find out.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 04:59 PM
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Can you tell me what traits they share that make them positive masculine figures?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 04:41 PM
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As others have pointed out, none of those are specifically masculine. They are just traits of good people overall. The commentor acknowledges that and goes to say it's positive masculinity because a man does it, which is meaningless. Again it's just a way of dismissing the very notion of positive masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 04:38 PM
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Being dominated sexually: 65 percent women + 53 percent men Dominating someone sexually: 47 percent women + 60 percent men https://reason.com/2014/11/11/kinky-sex-survey-finds-everybodys-weird/
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 04:33 PM
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It's good enough to gauge it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 04:28 PM
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Ok maybe you can copy and post some that listed positive masculine traits because I didn't see that. All I saw is the repeated claim that positive traits are not gendered, which means there is no positive masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 04:27 PM
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Why should anyone expect to find the ultimate truth of masculinity over there? Because it constantly criticizes traditional masculine traits: lead, protect, provide. What is positive masculinity if it's not those things? And in what sense is it even masculinity then?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 04:22 PM
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It's so odd to me that you find it so difficult to imagine a masculine man being described as a "good person". What? When did I say that? A good person is either male or female though. Positive masculinity is uniquely male, else why call it positive masculinity and not just positive human traits? Superman. Captain America. Aragorn. John Wick. I am not very familiar with any of those examples (just not the stuff I am into). What traits would you say they have in virtue of which they are positive …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 04:16 PM
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It's more common for it to go one way rather than another.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 04:10 PM
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Obviously competent.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 03:58 PM
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With a 175k members they show us what feminists believe better than any other source.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 03:57 PM
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When Barbie encourages Ken to have an identity outside of having a girlfriend. That's certainly a message a lot of men on this sub need. Ok that's pretty small part of masculinity LMFAO. Can you tell me why no one on that forum is willing to give an example of positive masculinity and why they insist the need for positive masculinity is itself against feminism?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 03:49 PM
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I am obviously only talking about heterosexual women. "Heterosexual women tend to be attracted to men who are taller than them and who display a high degree of facial symmetry, masculine facial dimorphism, upper body strength, broad shoulders, a relatively narrow waist, and a V-shaped torso.[22][23][24][25]" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_attractiveness Yes I know that these are physical traits. It's one aspect of dimorphism. "Nearly 65 percent of women fantasize about being dominated …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 03:31 PM
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Looks like you equate masculinity with toxic masculinity. Is violence for a noble cause trashy? Lets say some big, scary, heavily armed man has kidnapped a child that he plans to rape. Would another man using violence to save the child be trashy?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 03:17 PM
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because it has defined masculinity as toxic This is a lie. Have you bothered going to the post linked above? This is literally what they say. Hell, the Barbie movie quite prominently features men shedding toxic masculine traits and finding healthier behavior and outlook on life. What?? The Barbie Movie? Lol First of all it's a silly kids/girl movie where no man would ever look for examples of masculinity, LMFAO. But maybe you can remind me what positive masculinity was presented like in that mov…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 03:12 PM
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Do you find them all repulsive?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 03:01 PM
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Wasn't she just falsely accused of being trans? But yeah you do have a point feminists do celebrate some aspects of femininity e.g. nurturance and mother goddess stuff but they also usually celebrate the more masculine woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 03:00 PM
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Associating traits to a single gender is always going to cause problems because human traits are present in all humans. But do you not understand that the polarity between genders is what is responsible for attraction. Women are turned on by masculine men. And it's very problematic to insist on the destruction of gender and then to seek out sex partners who embody the exact thing you are busy trying to destroy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 02:58 PM
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So: are there certain traits that turn you on, but would actually turn you off in a husband? Absolutely not. I would never be able to do those kinds of things with a man that I did not trust 100%. I have to be completely convinced that this is just a game to be able to surrender to something like that. BDSM demands far greater trust and love than even vanilla sex, where trust and love are already non-negotiable. So I can only do stuff like that with a man who is husband material.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 01:07 PM
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Oh it's women's fault that men want to use them for sex? Lol that has been going on since the beginning of time. I was around before the internet and men were like this then, even worse probably. Anyway...I made the mistake of engaging with incels, which is completely pointless. I won't be responding anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 06:34 AM
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men, unlike women, do not (naturally/instinctively) see sex as something women "give" *to men (in exchange for: ___,) but rather as something a couple shares in together, Young men will do almost anything to get a woman to sleep with them. I mean they prefer that the woman wanted him but ultimately he is willing to settle for a warm body and will go any length to lie, cheat or manipulate the situation in any way. Where did I say anything contrary to this? You don't see the contradiction? Let me …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 06:21 AM
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What does that mean? They wanted sex with you? They were using you for sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 06:18 AM
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You deleted this comment and then reposted it. Why? I guess i will just repost my reply: Oh Jesus, you're way off. Young men will do almost anything to get a woman to sleep with them. I mean they prefer that the woman wanted him but ultimately he is willing to settle for a warm body and will go any length to lie, cheat or manipulate the situation in any way. If a woman is not secure in her "no", he will push and push endlessly until he gets his way. Maybe this doesn't describe you but you talk l…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 06:16 AM
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. In fact most of the time I hooked up with a woman, she initiated it. And they just wanted a free meal you think?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 06:11 AM
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Oh Jesus, you're way off. Young men will do almost anything to get a woman to sleep with them. I mean they prefer that the woman wanted him but ultimately he is willing to settle for a warm body and will go any length to lie, cheat or manipulate the situation in any way. If a woman is not secure in her "no", he will push and push endlessly until he gets his way. Maybe this doesn't describe you but you talk like you're from some other planet.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 06:10 AM
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No reason, hit the gym and you will have it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 06:06 AM
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This is obviously fake. There is no way that woman has that many matches.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 06:05 AM
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No, because in the post I literally said it's better to leave women alone and be single. What incel says that? Maybe not incel in the strict sense, but in a broader sense as in man who has a very hard time attracting women It's many men's experiences with women. Yes there are a lot of men like this today. You're certainly not alone. If women don't change then it won't change. Again to use my example of men only wanting sex from me, it was not real even though this is what my experience showed. Y…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 05:56 AM
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I mean come on...it is. It's not the world, it's just your current experience of the world. It can change and it can get better.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 05:45 AM
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That's like a woman saying: "men never actually like women for who they are, they are always just using women for sex." And that is when you know the problem is with her and the men she chooses because I used to feel this way too and then I realized that I was creating the problem by not valuing myself enough and choosing bad men. So no, I and most other women would never be with a man just for what he can provide for FFS. The problem is with you. You need to raise your sexual and romantic value…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 05:23 AM
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When people are younger they want excitement so the young women settle for Chad who is unstable. When people are older they want security, so yes women settle for the Beta. Men can circumvent this process by trying to be both as the men on r/marreidredpill do. That is the solution that OP is looking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 02:38 AM
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Lol and women will tell what "lie" and men will tell which "truth"?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 02:13 AM
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Sorry I am not following, which question do you mean? I thought we were talking about whether men prefer modest women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 02:08 AM
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No this is the right approach to all people.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 01:59 AM
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You are not going to get honest answers to this question. Ignore what they say. Watch what they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 01:50 AM
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It's more like their definition of alpha changes as they get older. I have negative attraction to the sort of alphas I wanted when I was 16. My current idea of an alpha would have looked like a beta to my 16 year old self. But the alpha/beta divide is also a false dichotomy. Women always want both but can't find the right mixture so they settle for too much one or the other. And when they are young and immature, they settle for too much alpha, then they get burned and settle for too much beta.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 12:50 AM
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Well I am not disagreeing with OP. Women do sometimes marry stable but unexciting men. But what they really prefer, but is hard to find, are stable and exciting men. The proper alpha/beta mix is the recipe for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 12:20 AM
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I will tell you the truth. Women love the bad boys (obviously) but bad boys also suck in many awful ways. So when women mature (22+) they begin to look for a better version of the bad boy. The best version is one that has all the features that turned them on about the bad boys but in a more civilized form. There is much talk about this on r/redpillwomen and r/marreidredpill and they frame it as a mix between Alpha and Beta which is very close to being correct. I would recommend reading about the…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 11:52 PM
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This has been my experience as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 11:21 PM
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Google AI but this has been reported many times and I don't know you don't know it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 10:37 PM
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But wait a minute, what about Zina Laws: "In Saudi Arabia, zina is the crime of consensual sexual relations outside of marriage, and it's considered a religious crime against God. The punishment for zina can include flogging or stoning to death." "In Saudi Arabia, if a woman accuses a man of rape but cannot prove it in court, she could be considered guilty of violating "zina" laws, meaning she is essentially accused of committing adultery or illicit sexual activity, potentially facing legal repe…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 09:03 PM
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Ok those are recent liberal changes to the rules. This was not the case in the 50s and should not be. Of course adopted parents can still get a divorce but according to what I just quoted over all adopted kids have a better chance at life.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 08:46 PM
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Huh? Doesn't change that what happened?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 08:39 PM
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Here is what Google AI says: "adopted children tend to have better outcomes overall compared to children raised by single mothers"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 08:31 PM
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Here is what Google AI says: "adopted children tend to have better outcomes overall compared to children raised by single mothers"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 08:28 PM
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I was stating fact and nothing else. You read the should into them. And I never said they were taken. They were given up. But adoption is probably a better choice in most cases than single-motherhood. You however clearly said that they do better with the one bio parent.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 07:59 PM
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Ok show some data that kids do better when raised by single moms than they do when they get adopted.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 06:54 PM
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You do know that the scarlet letter was a fictional account and not a real practice, right? And yes women should be shamed (as should men who impregnate them) for condemning their kids to poverty, making abuse more likely by introducing unrelated men into the house, and just generally having kids with men that are not good enough to marry and often when they are not financially ready to care for them. Giving the kids to stable, middle-class families maybe a better option.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 06:52 PM
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They don't live with both bio parents anyway. They end up living with step-fathers and live in boyfriends who are many times more likely to abuse them their bio parents. Adopted children tend to have worse outcomes than the general population, as do children born out of wedlock. I am not sure which has worse outcomes, but I suspect it's the children of single moms.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 06:27 PM
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In the Late Middle Ages, a third of the population was probably born extramaritally" This is very surprising but the word probably makes it suspect and the article doesn't provide any context. Here is one explanation for it: "peasant marriages were not common, as there was little need for a formal exchange of property among the poor." https://www.brown.edu/Departments/Italian_Studies/dweb/society/sex/sex-spouses.php#:~:text=In%20general%2C%20however%2C%20peasant%20marriages,activity%20and%20cont…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 05:08 PM
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Impoverished single moms is a modern phenomena. Out-of-wed-lock births used to be rare, and when they did occur, the kid was given up for adoption.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 09:15 AM
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You're exactly the sort of man that I hope to die out.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 10:53 PM
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I was originally flared as purple-pill but realized that red-pill was more appropriate, so I changed it. I realized a long time ago that the mainstream narrative on most things is not to be trusted but have not applied it to gender in a conscious way until relatively recently. I think the gender red pill on the male side can be often quite dangerous and toxic, even if it's an inevitable response to feminism, so I am wary of it, but I still share a lot of their beliefs and am surely a lot more re…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 06:15 AM
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You should have bothered looking at a [graph of the murder rate over time Just below is long discussion in the comments about precisely this with me as participant. If the increase in the murder rate was caused by feminism/cultural-marxism/[insert your favorite Tucker Carlson boogeyman here], then why did the murder rate drop back down starting in the 1990's? No one really know why it dropped. There are multiple theories (that again we discussed in the comments below). If you actually looked at …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 01:46 AM
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Some point in a marriage? How long were those marriages? We don't know. When was the DV experienced? We don't know. It tells us nothing. Sorry I didn't respond to your other irreverent claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 01:31 AM
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I am not a he, first of all. Second of all, check the murder rate that nearly doubled after all the "conscious raising" in the 60s. I provided a link. If that's not moral disintegration, I don't know what is.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 01:07 AM
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OP is asking for stats they know don’t exist Actually I don't know it. This is why I am asking the question. I am trying to do my due diligence. If you bothered carefully reading the post, which you surely have not, you would see that such data should exist because it was easy to collect retroactively over the course of decades following 1970. They then assume that because reported DV rates are similar in the 1950s and today, Try reading the post. I never made such assumptions. I don't even know…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 01:05 AM
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Lol you did not provide evidence for the cliam that there was more DV in the 30s, 40s, 50s and 60s than there was the decades post 1970s. You linked a Time Magazie article about how women were supposedly more likely to be institutionalized in the 19th century for being assertive. We don't even know what the prevalence of that kind of thing was. It could have been very rare. Anyway I began reading about that one woman that the article mentioned and she helped change the laws in multiple states th…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 12:55 AM
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Holy moly you're so brilliant. If I was as brilliant as you surely would have never made this post....oh wait...did you bother checking the year listed in the quote above? They surveyed DV within a particular year, and the papers were published in 1978 and 1980? So the year was likely not pre-1970, since papers don't take that long to publish. So oh...brilliant one, what does this imply about the prevalence of DV in the 30s, 40s, 50s and 60s compared to the DV after 1970? What was that??? Nothin…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 12:47 AM
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Look you have a whole framework through which you see the world that I reject. In cases like that seeing eye to eye is not possible. I will just point out, that I am looking for a 1950s relationship dynamic. Not what the feminists and anti-feminists believe in the 1950s were but closer to what i believe it actually was. Men who were strong but were also gentlemen. It was not translational. People respected each other and wanted genuine connection. If this seems foreign to you, try watching class…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 11:02 PM
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Thats why, in the pay-to-play model, a decent number of men even without realising sometimes end up treating women like commodities trying to get the "best bang for their buck." Another thing you screen out. If the guy is not an old school gentleman, I don't want him. In return, some women try to extract as much investment as possible from men while avoiding giving anything in return. If a guy really likes me, then my company and a chance to be with me is enough of a "return." To me, this dynami…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 10:21 PM
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You keep assuming that this is true of all or most women. It may have been true of me when I was 20 because none of us had money. It is not true of me now that I am older. Nowadays, I would never agree to a low effort date because a man who really likes me would not suggest one. I am also looking for a more traditional dynamic, so a willingness to pay for a moderately expensive date signals a desire for a traditional dynamic as well as intensity of interest. A nice date is sorting mechanism and …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 05:01 PM
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To be clear, I’m not against providing for a woman once I’m in a committed relationship Many women want to check precisely for this, which is why they make you pay.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 04:29 PM
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So much nonsense here. How about you hit the gym, develop good social skills, and become more attractive to women?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 02:19 AM
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Its not just men taking off their hats it's the general social attitudes that underpin it and the fact that there were actual men instead of wimps and douchebags. Condoms have existed for a long time and are plenty reliable. I do appreciate the pill though. Women were able to get educated in the 50s, plenty of women went to college. Self-supporting is not as important as you believe. There is nothing wrong with depending on your husband so long as you chose a good man. If he abused you or cheate…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 12:55 AM
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I am sorry are you denying that feminist claim that DV was more common pre-1970s before all their interventions when it was supposedly socially acceptable, than post 1970s?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 10:25 PM
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You are not addressing my points.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 10:23 PM
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For one thing it has ruined romantic relationships and made men weak. There used to be a notion of noble masculinity that has now disappeared and instead we try to make men into women, which makes them unattractive. Then they get resentful and become drawn to toxic masculinity instead. It has destroyed the polarity between men and women that makes them attractive to each other. I think in many respects women were treated better back then because they were put on a pedestal. Men would take off th…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 09:38 PM
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Ok...I don't know what point you are trying to make and how it's relevant to the discussion around my post.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 09:28 PM
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I think I posted a link to prove that wife-beating became illegal in 1920. This link went on to give the usual feminist take. Is that the link you mean? Those are not my ideas. I know that this is the standard feminist narrative but I disagree with it and so do many domestic violence researchers.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 09:26 PM
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Ok I am not saying feminism has not improved the lives of women at all. It surely has in some respects and it also made it worse in other respects. This is a very complicated question and kinda outside the scope of the current discussion. Read the above comment in context. You have a very strong tendency to misunderstand what I say.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 09:22 PM
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This is the way it's framed by feminists. I am sure it's true in some cases, maybe yours is one of them. I have come across DV researchers who dispute this framing and insist that the motives are varied. I know attached one quote to a comment on this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 09:18 PM
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