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MGTOWs are the ones taking care of themselves while it runs its course, and fully expecting to be dead before participation seems worth it from their perspective. At least if you go by the mouse utopia description of the phenomenon.
/r/MGTOW22/10/15 08:56 PM
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She already overstepped her bounds trying to flirt with you at work. You have almost all the cards. You: "Get a stool. I'm busy." Her: "You're just sitting." You: "I'm busy sitting." If still required to do said work, negotiate a raise. If you think there will be an HR problem, be the one to go there first. Say that interruptions to do others' work is interfering with your productivity. Bothering them about her touching you might be a lost cause, but you could try. Keep a paper trail.
/r/MGTOW22/10/15 08:43 PM
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Google "Lenyenne Helen de Oliveira". It appears to be a real story from Brasil.
/r/MGTOW22/10/15 08:32 PM
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Under what jurisdiction? It depends on the terms of the contract and how they are enforced. For most internet users, I believe they fall under a jurisdiction where it's a bad idea.
/r/MGTOW22/10/15 06:22 PM
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Do you mind giving your general age? There have been huge changes in labor markets between recent generations.
/r/MGTOW22/10/15 06:13 PM
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Yeah, it probably adds more new males than females. It would definitely now include male rape victims if they have had a penis, dildo, or similar inserted anywhere, and the sex of the perp. won't matter. So it's going to include prison rape, and that would add a huge number. The gray area is still on whether envelopment of various types would be counted due to the use of "penetration" in the definition. The FBI seems to think it does now count (from what I could gather), but their definition doe…
/r/MensRights22/10/15 06:11 PM
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In all honesty, this type of crap (in public and in person) was probably worse in the 80s. There were a lot more feminists then, and they were starting to encounter the cracks in their ideology, leading to the feminist sex wars. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_sex_wars The internet has made digital self-publishing a lot easier, though.
/r/MensRights22/10/15 04:16 PM
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The changes have mostly been to include more types of violent and forceful sexual acts, and so it is more likely to include people penetrated with an object (anal, vaginal, or oral), and maybe some cases of forced penetration*. It's more that the old definition really wasn't very good, and the new one is better but may still not good enough. *vague wording the the FBI says includes these cases, but could be interpreted either way.
/r/MensRights22/10/15 04:06 PM
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Yeah, "teach not to rape" and "teach what consent is" comes from the position that rape is a misunderstanding of both of those concepts.
/r/MensRights22/10/15 03:57 PM
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The direct relationships, maybe not. My thoughts are more on how it would impact a society and its willingness to create safety nets and empowerment programs. Neoteny gives both powerful men and powerful women a reason to promote women who are down on luck. Attraction regardless of a mate's confidence would give powerful men a reason to help women who are down on their luck. Women don't tend to find unlucky men attractive. So neither of those reasons exist to help men after a challenging boyhood…
/r/MensRights22/10/15 03:55 PM
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I agree, but why are you capitalizing "Boys" and "Girls"?
/r/MensRights22/10/15 02:55 PM
5

Could it not also be a lack of advantages in neotany or sexual appeal? Men have to be confident in modern culture, and how are they to become confident when they have a weak start? When women aren't confident because they had issues as a girl, it seems that their ability to garner mates and sympathy without high confidence would soften the blow.
/r/MensRights22/10/15 02:54 PM
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Great explanation. Though, to avoid confusion and be more precise, I do believe "traditionalism" is the better term. It acknowledges the social and reproductive power women possess, and avoids use of a term feminists coined and are constantly redefining to suit their needs.
/r/MGTOW15/10/15 09:02 PM
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Yep, they are just as ideologically misled and conservative about it as any heavily religious person.
/r/MensRights15/10/15 02:43 PM
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Reminds me of the Salem Witch Trials.
/r/MensRights15/10/15 02:35 PM
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There are also more and more awesome options for entertainment now. There's never been a better time to pursue other things than sex.
/r/MensRights15/10/15 12:02 AM
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It means it's even harder to find a "good man".
/r/MensRights14/10/15 11:50 PM
1

This is just more evidence that STEM is a function of political expedience more than market value or functional knowledge.
/r/MensRights14/10/15 11:46 PM
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Too sarcastic for you?
/r/MensRights14/10/15 10:17 PM
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Getting this complete message (that includes men) out will help with men being willing to self-report. So I agree that her message here is progress even if it may not reflect reality on values that are difficult to measure. The other thing that needs to be there are social services and rights-protections when they decide to leave.
/r/MensRights14/10/15 10:15 PM
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I don't know what video you watched, but MGTOW isn't a movement. It's a phenomenon.
/r/MGTOW08/10/15 06:32 PM
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The opening paragraph contradicts itself. I stopped reading there.
/r/MGTOW07/10/15 12:14 AM
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They need to learn the value they hold in their own two hands.
/r/MGTOW06/10/15 06:07 PM
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I've used it as an educational philosophy. Encourage their energy and hands-on inquisitiveness, and help them learn to refine it.
/r/MensRights02/10/15 03:24 AM
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I think that's illegal in the UK, as she is also the "victim".
/r/MensRights02/10/15 03:20 AM
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Why are you replying to this comment?
/r/MensRights02/10/15 03:17 AM
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Gynocentrism would be related to Briffault's Law that the sex with the highest costs in mating gains preference in the decision to mate (a special case of the Law of Supply and Demand). Arguably, it should be called Gynocentric Theory, and would be a sub-theory of Evolutionary Theory. In Gynocentric Theory, the human species organizes socially to benefit females as a result of Briffault's Law. Gynocentrism should remain as a condition of a society that may or may not be observed. This is how I'v…
/r/MensRights02/10/15 03:09 AM
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"Theory" is fine. A theory is a description of how a system may work. A hypothesis is a distinct statement that an experiment attempts to falsify. Theories are tested by basing hypotheses on the theory's descriptions and mechanisms. In this case, patriarchy theory (depending on it's most recent re-definition, though that's a big scientific no-no. Each new definition should get a new name.) may predict that an oppressive male group would become more oppressive as they are bolstered by technologic…
/r/MensRights02/10/15 02:50 AM
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Ha! Like Americans needed Soviet help to do that.
/r/MGTOW01/10/15 10:12 PM
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If I wanted to move to a nation with no laws to give power to women so I could marry so I could have a socially legit reason to keep around a woman to make babies for me, that's my choice and business. It's no accident and it's a shit-ton of effort. Very few people will migrate to a new nation just to have babies and no child support / wife support laws around. You're right. Should such a society exist, that would be fine. There's no rational reason to avoid society, if society is offering ratio…
/r/MGTOW29/09/15 03:59 PM
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"Also in the Victorian era, the term "confirmed bachelor" connoted a man who was resolute to remain unmarried. By the later 19th century, the term "bachelor" had acquired the general sense of "unmarried man"." -Wikipedia It's alright, but MGTOW defines reasons for bachelorhood in terms that confirming a disinterest in marriage does not. The MGTOW phenomenon is the social situation that is currently producing an unusually high number of confirmed bachelors.
/r/MGTOW29/09/15 03:50 PM
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Yes, the "own way" is defined in that it must not be society's way, because society is giving us the options of the mantis. I say limiting society's role in life more than government. Government is just one aspect of social pressure. If society can't consider a fair option for men, there's no reason to participate.
/r/MGTOW29/09/15 03:41 PM
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I like to think that too, but I can't feel certain I'd be typing to you on a computer right now if people in the past hadn't done that sort of thing. It's seems we've benefited more than hurt from keeping each other in line, as long as we do a fair job of it.
/r/MensRights29/09/15 07:22 AM
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Find out what she likes to buy. She's got 2 billion dollars to spend.
/r/MGTOW29/09/15 05:29 AM
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We don't need this stupid bot, we have up and down votes.
/r/MGTOW29/09/15 05:26 AM
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Damn that Keren chick can't take a joke. Just let Ronda eat her stupid comments.
/r/MGTOW29/09/15 05:19 AM
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It'll probably happen in Canada before the US. The healthcare system and social climate are more similar.
/r/MGTOW29/09/15 04:47 AM
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His show was fun, but he's nothing special as an adult.
/r/MensRights29/09/15 12:01 AM
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"Why would I?"
/r/MGTOW28/09/15 11:56 PM
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It depends which parts of the anatomy you mean by "social skills".
/r/MGTOW28/09/15 11:49 PM
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They were comparing rejections, so I'm sure they just edited out the rest.
/r/MGTOW28/09/15 11:45 PM
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Well, the word "father" isn't used anywhere in the article. They won't be raising your blood pressure.
/r/MensRights28/09/15 11:29 PM
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The other part that is funny, is that such language is meant to give reverence to the severity of the actions. If rape and killing were thought of as minor offenses, they wouldn't be used in a hyperbole. I'll do what they say, though. I'll make no jokes mocking rapists. I wouldn't want to offend a rapist with a joke that could be categorized as an off-limit "rape joke".
/r/MensRights28/09/15 11:25 PM
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Thank you for that counter. I hope you don't mind me using it?
/r/MensRights28/09/15 11:19 PM
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Pregnancy and warfare are quite analogous. Modern pregnancy doesn't have the risks pregnancy did in the past. The same is true when signing up for the draft lottery. It's almost like society organizes based on biology and environment.
/r/MensRights28/09/15 11:16 PM
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...and the top comment is ad hominem. None of them could counter the point she just made.
/r/MensRights28/09/15 11:12 PM
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This is why changing marriage is likely a factor in wealth inequality. Women don't marry down by nature, and men are now punished for doing so by no-fault divorce. You get more of the rich associating with the rich, and poor with the poor.
/r/MensRights28/09/15 11:09 PM
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Oh, 50k is actaully more than I thought. I accidentally looked at view number. Go for it if you want to take him down in some way. I'd personally just stick with how feminists can be happy about atheists, if religions are indeed "keeping women down" (which is a rather narrowminded and emotionally driven view, even if correct in some ways), but that in no way means atheists need associate with feminists. It isn't the goal of atheism to take down religion, but just to not express it in peace.
/r/MensRights28/09/15 10:03 PM
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I wonder if they'll then qualify for social programs. This would leave any beta male taxpayer completely out of the reproductive loop. We look more like a bee hive every year.
/r/MGTOW28/09/15 08:46 PM
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You don't even need another account. You can browse it and find stuff to cross post just by logging out. What a petty, BS rule. If they hate diversity of opinion so much that they can't handle their topics in other subs, they should just go full private.
/r/MensRights28/09/15 08:34 PM
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He's an idiot with too few subscribers for me to care. It's funny that the Amazing Atheist probably has more subscribers than all of those people together, and he hates feminism and this Atheism+ bullshit. A couple of the people he lists have been pretty decent people IMO, and seem to have a non-stance on feminism.
/r/MensRights28/09/15 08:28 PM
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Nature is sexist, and that's why there's a draft and men have been the ones dying in combat since before we were human. Primate populations can afford more male deaths than female deaths. The thing is the draft was put into code, while the expectation that women reproduce if the population is low was never codified.
/r/MensRights28/09/15 08:19 PM
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Admit that in extreme cases, we're social objects, and particularly in the reproductive sense. Leave the male-only draft in place, should it ever be needed (we can afford men dying). Have limits on women's reproductive freedom, should it ever be needed (they are a bottleneck in maintaining population). We'll just not use either unless the situation is dire. What it comes down to is reproductive resources, and the fact that women have to pay the costs of pregnancy, and men's sperm is as a result …
/r/MensRights28/09/15 08:16 PM
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So you advocate a type of disorder that means people wait until the last second and lose repeated small skirmishes until defeat?
/r/MensRights28/09/15 08:07 PM
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Might be too late on that one.
/r/MensRights28/09/15 08:03 PM
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It doesn't talk about finances. Are these women with money, or is the state funding it?
/r/MGTOW28/09/15 06:07 PM
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Solve your problems, not theirs. Report them both to HR for an unpleasant work environment. This has interrupted you enough that you're posting it here. Don't let them hurt your work performance.
/r/MGTOW28/09/15 06:02 PM
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When sex comes to one so easily, what's the big deal? Their concern will be where the resources go. They call it "emotional fidelity", and my prediction is this type is more likely to be upset if you spend a lot of time and money on hobbies and friends than if you sleep around and watch porn.
/r/MGTOW26/09/15 04:29 AM
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Next election where? What place doesn't have enough laws for everyone over age 10 to be some sort of criminal?
/r/MGTOW26/09/15 04:28 AM
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I think we'll have to wait and see if something better comes along. This isn't very convincing.
/r/MensRights25/09/15 10:38 PM
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So female rangers are more expensive when they can "pass". It's not a problem if tax dollars can be thrown at it, I suppose.
/r/MensRights25/09/15 10:08 PM
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Does the audience have to be uniform?
/r/MensRights25/09/15 04:59 PM
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"rape jokes" seems to be an ever-expanding catch-all term that misunderstands the nuance of humor in a way that only the humorless could embrace.
/r/MensRights25/09/15 04:50 PM
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One thing that many in here don't seem to get: there's a huge difference between a joke that mocks rape as its subject, a joke that mocks the rape victim as its subject, and a joke that mocks rapists. There's also a difference between jokes and hyperbole: saying player 1 raped player 2 isn't a joke. It's hyperbole that gives reverence to the severity of rape in saying the decision of the match was that severe. Overuse of hyperbole can literally diminish the impact of a term, but that's a separat…
/r/MensRights25/09/15 04:47 PM
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Well, feminists should consider women raping men a huge problem. Anything men can do, women can do better. They can't stop talking about how into rape men are, so they must be really concerned with women's rape, right?
/r/MensRights25/09/15 04:33 PM
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It seems like the setup to a femdom porno.
/r/MensRights21/09/15 08:11 PM
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Absolutely it is, provided there is equality in the first place. That's based on the premise that the sexes are practically equal by this metric. Is there any reason to believe that to be true? Taking corrective measure to address and inequity is fair Why? Taking measures to remove institutional discrimination would be fair. *Edited for completeness and clarity.
/r/MensRights21/09/15 07:55 PM
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Let me fix this article: 1) Figure out if they find you attractive or if they are otherwise comfortable with you. 2) If yes, the action isn't creepy (though it may garner some other adjective if it's unwanted for another reason). If no, the action is creepy. There may be a handful of exceptions. I hope you came to the comments first, because I just saved you time and stress.
/r/MensRights21/09/15 07:51 PM
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It's because whether the behavior is creepy depends on the audience's opinion of the actor.
/r/MensRights21/09/15 07:46 PM
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Giving extra tools for career advancement based on sex is textbook institutional discrimination.
/r/MensRights21/09/15 07:41 PM
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David Choe is a better comparison, in that he told a story about a rape as a part of a comedy podcast. He was pressured to further explain his story. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2608147/Im-not-rapist-Im-bad-storyteller-Famous-graffiti-artist-defends-backlash-podcast-described-forcing-masseuse-perform-sex-act.html
/r/MensRights21/09/15 07:18 PM
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Though partly because there's barely any pressure on her to address it. No one cares about the double standard. A switched sex example would be David Choe. He was pressured to release an explanation: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2608147/Im-not-rapist-Im-bad-storyteller-Famous-graffiti-artist-defends-backlash-podcast-described-forcing-masseuse-perform-sex-act.html I know Daily Mail sucks, but it's the first article I could find that covers the incident and the explanation.
/r/MensRights21/09/15 07:17 PM
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Well, shouldn't the state be charging her based on this admission? I doubt they'd have enough evidence if she decided to say she made up the story upon being charged, but the state prosecutes and the victim is a witness.
/r/MensRights21/09/15 07:08 PM
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Also, women tend to attend church at higher rates and make donations from their joint bank accounts. http://www.pewforum.org/2008/03/27/a-portrait-of-american-catholics-on-the-eve-of-pope-benedicts-visit-to-the-us-2/
/r/MGTOW20/09/15 05:34 AM
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They pay taxes? Once the child is born, it's too late unless the mom happens to be able to afford it on her own work or inheritance. The society is stuck paying for it (and men as a part of that), the father is forced to supplement by society, or the society gets a screwed up kid because it doesn't receive enough investment to come out well.
/r/MGTOW20/09/15 05:22 AM
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I dunno. They seemed to fight to include Valerie Solanas, even though she didn't originally want to associate with them.
/r/MensRights20/09/15 04:43 AM
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Imagine saying that to an elementary school.
/r/MensRights20/09/15 04:37 AM
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There's also the issue of which apartments men and women will rent. Men are more likely to get something cheap and bare-bones, and use their money elsewhere. Women are more likely to pay more in rent for amenities.
/r/MGTOW17/09/15 04:11 PM
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It's actually the best "nice guy" advice I've heard so far. Particularly the part about making the gifts public. She's dating a guy like this for the status, so it has to be seen. I still can't figure out why a guy would want to do it, though. She's more likely to think that she's already doing everything she needs to do (and won't care about your needs), or that she's good enough to go get a better guy. Any guy who's dumb enough to play should know to only treat a girl like this after she's ear…
/r/MGTOW17/09/15 02:46 PM
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What a shoddy article. There isn't enough information to compare the sentences.
/r/MensRights17/09/15 02:23 PM
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I've seen little bits of it, but it's come from the same small group of people who harass everybody. The women I've seen take pleasure from them doing it lets me know where they received positive feedback on the behavior.
/r/MensRights17/09/15 02:16 PM
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What about helping him?! "Yeah, that ass does look good in those shorts!" He is allegedly* my friend, after all. *I've never witnessed someone I know catcall.
/r/MensRights17/09/15 02:10 PM
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It might be a side-effect of how polite they are.
/r/MensRights17/09/15 02:09 PM
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Misogynist if you do, and misogynist if you don't. High five fellow misogynist!
/r/MensRights17/09/15 02:07 PM
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She's probably been stuck having to be the stable one for her mother.
/r/MGTOW16/09/15 09:09 PM
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If you've been paying attention all along, that may be part of why you don't have experience. You may be hesitant about screwing yourself over. You may have learned a lot by watching the relationships' of others, and might just not be interested in following in their mistaken footsteps. You probably have more experience than you realize in that sense.
/r/MGTOW16/09/15 08:57 PM
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Commentary on nice guys that he'll enjoy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9XDb0nxSO4 Men not marrying: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlvMAS_20K4 Neoteny: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C46rSIfTum4 Those are some good ones, but most of the stuff from her in that time period relates to MGTOW pretty well. Stardusk (thinking ape), Bar bar, and Spetsnaz are musts for MGTOW as well in understanding basics and putting the pieces together. Again, the older stuff for a new person. Bar bar's stuff in …
/r/MGTOW16/09/15 08:53 PM
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Dildos are a sex bot by a good number of definitions of robot.
/r/MGTOW16/09/15 08:40 PM
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Raging golden eagle used to do lifestyle, but I haven't checked with him in a while.
/r/MGTOW16/09/15 08:25 PM
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Are you familiar with Karen's early work?
/r/MGTOW16/09/15 08:23 PM
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It's just a question of hobbies. Women are one of your hobbies, and his interest is in other places. Both rely on the same descriptions of human nature, but those who call themselves "red pill" are typically still interested in playing a game that MGTOW generally don't. By most MGTOW definitions, you're both MGTOW (assuming you don't plan on marrying), and you just have a stronger interest in playing with fire. MGTOW typically means you look at the cost/benefit and don't bother, whereas "red pil…
/r/MGTOW16/09/15 08:23 PM
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That's one way it could go.
/r/MGTOW16/09/15 08:16 PM
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"The most hated man in Australia" I hope he twirled his mustache.
/r/MGTOW16/09/15 08:05 PM
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I'd stop making assumptions if they weren't accurate so often.
/r/MGTOW16/09/15 08:02 PM
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This is STEM right now, except the jobs are nerdy instead of dangerous. I happen to like nerdy things, and have spent my whole education and career surrounded by programs that say they are women only, or only advertise to women. There are still some unisex scholarships here and there, but I've passed that point.
/r/MensRights16/09/15 07:07 PM
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Could anyone manage to read the whole thing? My eyes were rolling too much for me to focus on the text.
/r/MensRights16/09/15 06:52 PM
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It's funny, because this is just it. A number of older liberal views have worked OK, others have never been tried and are unknown, and others have failed. By holding that line, he's holding on to this failed (misinformed) point.
/r/MensRights15/09/15 04:05 AM
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On the bright side, he's trying to end private prisons.
/r/MensRights15/09/15 03:59 AM
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I think "conspiracy theory" is the best term for it. Rather than boiling down to evolution, as all theories about human behavior should, it boils down to men randomly getting together to make life suck for women. Any model that deviates from this into reality quickly builds in complexity and actions of women such that "patriarchy" and "feminism" become ill-fitting terms.
/r/MensRights14/09/15 03:19 AM
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...but what does functional kitchen decor have to do with propaganda? ;)
/r/MensRights14/09/15 03:11 AM
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It's sad to people who think they can be loved for just being.
/r/MensRights13/09/15 06:12 PM
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As the study says, they want a husband who earns more. That doesn't mean that's what they look for in a lover.
/r/MensRights13/09/15 04:29 PM
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It's a good thing we have feminist quotas to put women over men into those decent jobs where they get stressed and eat crap, eh?
/r/MensRights13/09/15 04:27 PM
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http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sexism Believing there are differences would be prejudice. Once is deciding (judging) there is difference before (pre) meeting the person. An aside that may help. Racism and being racist picked up bad connotations, because human global diaspora was very recent, and as a result there are very few and very subtle differences between races. They are something globalization should be able to overcome. Acting like there are big genetic differences doesn't rea…
/r/MensRights13/09/15 04:23 PM
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A major seconding on the Warren Farrell. If you're interested in Karen's stuff, it's best to start with the old stuff. Honey Badger Radio typically stays more on current topics, while her old stuff goes over things that are more generally applicable.
/r/MensRights13/09/15 04:06 PM
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In the early 1990s (https://www.brennancenter.org/publication/automatic-registration-united-states-selective-service-example), they just started registering people more-or-less against their will with auto-registration programs, which has basically eliminated the need for convictions. The threat is still there, it's just that they found it easier to just sign people up against their will than to deal with letting them choose and then threatening them. It's just now impossible to break the law, s…
/r/MensRights13/09/15 02:49 AM
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The laws exist, and I've linked them. Here's a link for voting if convicted of a felony: http://felonvoting.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000286 Here's a list of people tried (and many convicted) for not registering: http://www.yachana.org/research/writings/draft/ What other evidence are you looking for that you are threatened with and can lose voting rights for not registering?
/r/MensRights13/09/15 12:49 AM
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I'm pretty sure "by the book" would be picking video evidence over testimony and charging a person having sex with an unconscious person of rape. Once a person passes out, by the law, they're automatically saying no, because they legally can't say yes. People are allowed to say no during intercourse and the other person has to stop based on current definitions of consent, and this is the same case. Prior consent is not current consent, that's the standard from dealing with date rape. Even if the…
/r/MensRights13/09/15 12:42 AM
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No problem. I'm glad you did it. I was also elaborating for the other person.
/r/MensRights13/09/15 12:04 AM
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Well they try to charge him of rape even when she's still conscious and having a good time. This is the closest I can think of: http://www.mindingthecampus.org/2013/11/is_this_a_campus_rape_well_no/ However, there's this: A few days later, on October 28, Athens County prosecutor Keller Blackburn announced the results of the grand jury investigation: no charges were to be filed, since “a reasonable person would think that [the woman] was not intoxicated beyond the ability to consent.” I don't thi…
/r/MensRights12/09/15 07:06 PM
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We charge them for drunk driving in similar circumstances. She shouldn't be drinking so heavily that she can't even tell if someone is passed out without taking precautions. She could make plans to have a sober friend around or something. She could have killed someone, but luckily she didn't. She did rape someone, though. This is part of why public drunkeness is reasonable as an offense. Hopefully you can be drunk in public with a sober escort, but I'm not sure how that law is written. I want th…
/r/MensRights12/09/15 06:16 PM
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Yeah, and once he passes out and she keeps going, she's also raping him, so that's a charge too. Passing out revokes his consent, because a passed out person can't consent unless that jurisdiction is different.
/r/MensRights12/09/15 04:49 PM
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Though, at the same time, when I was a child and had someone in a rage stare me down while approaching me brandishing a hunting knife, that would have also been assault. It shows the importance of courts in picking proportional sentences, and is also a reason "big data" can be an issue in examining justice, because it can lose track of details.
/r/MensRights12/09/15 04:45 PM
5

That's a hypothesis. There are more, and they are all hard to test.
/r/MensRights12/09/15 04:42 PM
1

How you get rid of a "retarded" law is to charge people with it, and let the news cover how silly it is. Things don't change without a mechanism.
/r/MensRights12/09/15 04:39 PM
11

It doesn't matter whether he thinks he's a victim. The laws are clear, and the state should enforce them and consider changing them if these actions are "OK". This is how game theory works. You'll not get anywhere by "rising above" until you're in a situation where you're on level ground and building trust is a goal. Our culture has already made it clear that equal responsibilities aren't going to happen without men fighting dirty and forcing it. The ERA didn't pass.
/r/MensRights12/09/15 04:32 PM
3

The state presses charges. She'd be a witness. It's on film, so the state should press charges based on its laws. It's illegal to have sex with someone in that condition, particularly in public.
/r/MensRights12/09/15 04:21 PM
1

The dude would have received a beat-down from the bystanders, public intoxication, public indecency, been put on a sex offender registry.
/r/MensRights12/09/15 04:20 PM
0

If you want to get into analogies: pointing a gun at someone and telling them to do something is still assault with a deadly weapon, whether you plan to pull the trigger or not. The law of the land, as it stands and is made known to most men at draft age, is that it's a felony not to register and felons have limited voting access.
/r/MensRights12/09/15 03:20 PM
0

I don't know. What is the overlap between people who don't register and people who try to vote? I'd think trying to vote unregistered would particularly be an issue in one of the states where a driver's license/ID is required to vote. They'd probably force registration against their will or knowledge rather than charging the person, but that's still getting signed up in order to vote. Also, poor enforcement doesn't mean that the laws as they stand will result in limited voting access for not sig…
/r/MensRights12/09/15 03:14 PM
2

There's an indirect route. Failing to register is a felony, and felons have limited access to voting in almost every US state. https://www.sss.gov/Registration/Why-Register https://www.sss.gov/Registration/Why-Register/Benefits-and-Penalties
/r/MensRights11/09/15 10:09 PM
8

arguing that the system discriminates against women. They might even win.
/r/MensRights11/09/15 10:02 PM
1

I think scarcity might play a role, in that it's making what was outdated more relevant. Abundance gave a couple generations, and particularly the most privileged in those generations, the ability do and be whatever they want without anything to reign them in. Now scarcity has placed boundaries, and the need for specialization and roles is painful for those who do not fit. I also think that technology is blurring the lines between the sexes, as it remove limits on what either can adopt as a spec…
/r/MensRights11/09/15 09:58 PM
2

It really depends on the specific infant.
/r/MensRights11/09/15 09:42 PM
2

This is a much more elegant way of describing one of my daily practices. I intentionally and proudly break at least one stupid law a day, because if they are going to make me a criminal anyway, I might as well enjoy it.
/r/MensRights11/09/15 09:36 PM
8

That is actual rape culture. Yes, as much of our media and public reactions to it are akin to grooming.
/r/MensRights10/09/15 03:41 PM
4

...or you just don't arrest without enough physical evidence for a warrant, and fine/sue publications that publish without evidence. The rape accusation wouldn't even need to be punished without the irrational reaction. There'd be no incentive to make the accusation if society's reaction were in line with basic standards of evidence and justice. Losing the case would be all the disincentive necessary.
/r/MensRights10/09/15 01:49 AM
4

There was no judge, just the police. They were super stern though. It wasn't just a promise, it was a pinky swear.
/r/MensRights10/09/15 01:40 AM
14

They aren't pedophiles, but I agree with harsh sentences for statutory rapists. Rapists who groom (or take advantage of mass, cultural grooming) are still rapists. In the rare case there wasn't some degree of grooming, it's still an abuse of power.
/r/MensRights10/09/15 01:38 AM
2

The "nuclear" family is a very North American tradition. We must also consider that until recently, North Americans have had no shortage of resources per capita from occupying a continent where the indigenous population had been mostly killed. Abundant resources go a long way in allowing independence for young males, and the ability to support a family without efficiency increases from access to extended family. Of course, the efficiency increases only come if the extended family actually views …
/r/MGTOW09/09/15 07:48 PM
1

It's an important topic to discuss the basic units of humanity. Getting a "fair" distribution of resources and access to reproduction is essential in having a stable social structure. It's a place where a lot of communes and similar structures can run into problems, because the plan for equal material sharing, but give no thought to reproductive or intellectual legacy. Technology will ultimately play a large role in how sharing and resource distribution occurs as well. I plan to listen later and…
/r/MGTOW09/09/15 07:39 PM
1

That's always the solution if you are consumption-minded and have no real concept of scarcity, efficiency, or where resources come from. It's a fine mindset to have, as long as you can weasel out of ever having to foot a bill.
/r/MGTOW09/09/15 07:30 PM
8

...or complain about how his son needs to get off is ass and do something, as if he expects dividends while having never invested.
/r/MensRights09/09/15 07:24 PM
8

They probably bash men's rights for the same reason everyone else does. Most men will turn on each other if they can catch a whiff of pussy. As long as men don't defend themselves, they remain easy targets.
/r/MensRights06/09/15 01:20 AM
1

The only change to the FAQ I'd make is to include a definition of rape.
/r/MensRights04/09/15 09:08 PM
1

Ashe Schow, do you spend time on this board?
/r/MensRights04/09/15 09:02 PM
1

Tim Hunt is such an awful person, right?
/r/MensRights04/09/15 08:59 PM
10

I like the cut of your jib.
/r/MensRights04/09/15 08:01 PM
1

Are you married in the US? Try it yourself if you want to confirm.
/r/MensRights04/09/15 08:00 PM
2

Actually say "my body, my choice" and see how they respond. Please!
/r/MensRights04/09/15 07:59 PM
8

I'm glad you did. I missed the other posts. Simple guideline: If you got upvoted, then enough people wanted to see it.
/r/MensRights04/09/15 07:53 PM
1

Yeah, maybe biotech will change that, since men's rights advocacy isn't likely to do so on its own. However, going by a copyright argument, wouldn't it only make profiting from the photos/video the issue? If an artist gives someone some copies of their work, copyright doesn't prevent the recipient from saying to others, "Hey, look at this!". However, that seems to be the behavior outlawed by laws against revenge porn. I could see the publishing site getting in trouble if they monetize the pics/v…
/r/MensRights04/09/15 07:42 PM
2

Unless its sperm going by recent decisions. A judge ruled it's a "gift" for a woman to do what she wants with, including impregnating herself from a BJ and demanding child support.
/r/MensRights04/09/15 02:23 PM
3

Yeah, but look at Google caring and acting because society cares whether women have successful careers in whatever field they enter. There's no pressure on female-dominated careers to cater to the men who want to enter, and there is little effort to encourage men.
/r/MensRights02/09/15 01:31 PM
3

As far as I know, and the college still attacked the fraternities.
/r/MensRights02/09/15 01:22 PM
2

The college took action against the accused fraternity, which still would dramatically affect their college careers and also exposed them to vigilantes. That's part of how messed up the kangaroo courts are. They impose improper sanctions upon people that they fail to properly try or to properly protect leading up to trail.
/r/MensRights02/09/15 01:21 PM
6

For now, it seems as if it's been limited to cases where sex did actually occur. Was it for Rolling Stone's Jacky? I got too disgusted with that one to keep up. The way the story was described, I'd at least have trouble believing all the men she accused of rape had sex with her, if any did.
/r/MensRights02/09/15 03:12 AM
1

Yes. My point is more that other mechanisms may not apply evenly between sexes, and result in different values than simply genetic diversity would predict.
/r/MensRights02/09/15 03:09 AM
12

or early childhood ed.
/r/MensRights02/09/15 02:30 AM
1

If the cause is genetic, then yes. If it's environmental (chemical, disease, social, anything I can't think of), then this is less likely the case.
/r/MensRights02/09/15 02:13 AM
3

I bothered the ACLU about why they didn't have a men's section. They never responded.
/r/MensRights02/09/15 02:07 AM
17

I would avoid any sexual contact on campuses, seems no matter what you do, even if you have consent. You're still the bad guy. sigh Well, it probably doesn't even matter whether you had sex or not the way this is going.
/r/MensRights02/09/15 02:05 AM
3

I love it. Men's bathrooms are so quiet, and they're generally clean where they need to be clean.
/r/MensRights02/09/15 01:57 AM
0

I'd get him out of there. At best, you help him sort out some major problems, and at minimum you remove him from a mother who sucks. If he is biologically attracted to children, you could help him before it becomes an obsession that hurts him instead of a medical condition that he deals with. If he's not, then you still help him develop more normally by not having to be paranoid about being someone as awful as the person who hurt you. Pedophilia accusations mess up a lot of men around children, …
/r/MensRights01/09/15 07:57 PM
3

You could just tape over the "ladies" with "restroom" and see how people take it. Maybe it'll be formalized with if your building superintendent is diligent.
/r/MensRights01/09/15 07:21 PM
1

Men know you have no reason to listen to them unless they are going to pay you, hurt you, or you have a mutual goal.
/r/MensRights01/09/15 07:16 PM
1

Toward whom is the aggression directed? I think simply saying "aggression" is too general when some might be very aggressive to certain subjects and not at all aggressive to others.
/r/MensRights01/09/15 07:16 PM
2

Yup. The way to make money right now is to already have money to invest. What you are given makes all the difference, and women are given more resources. Even when they are working for pay, it comes from preference from gradeschool teachers followed by preferential recruitment programs later in k-12, followed by preferential career mentoring and recruiting in colleges, and generally more gifts and emotional support from family and loved ones along the way.
/r/MensRights01/09/15 02:55 PM
0

Of course they do. It takes money to make money in the current economy, and they are given more resources.
/r/MensRights01/09/15 02:51 PM
5

I'm fine with (upon allowing both), forcing anyone who's getting injured to stop, regardless of their sex. We let women and men both try and be drafted, but due to biological differences, it'll mostly be the men on the front lines getting shot at. I'm guessing you are also cool with the lifetime earnings gap? We let both work, but don't try to correct for the fact that women will earn less if they decide to get pregnant.
/r/MensRights27/08/15 08:10 PM
1

Yeah. I do love trying to figure out mechanisms, because they can give a plan of action. Right now, "unless women decide to police themselves in a way that tangentially works better for men simply to make a world less generally shitty for their kids." is all I've got. :-/
/r/MensRights26/08/15 05:08 PM
1

The problem is I don't know how we get there (US and similar cultures). Back during Roe v. Wade era, there was the chance of switching from a pro-life/assumed-pregnancy position that was consistent with pre-contraceptive/abortion technology to a stance that is pro-death/assumed-sterile-encounter consistent with contraceptives, abortions, and recreational sex. We made a technological barrier between sex and pregnancy that can be crossed at will and has abortion as a fail-safe. However, we gave un…
/r/MensRights26/08/15 04:33 PM
2

Tell me about it... I was raised catholic by home and feminist by school. It's taken a decade of work and it still isn't all out of my system. I agree with the comment that says feminism is worse in the guilt department.
/r/MensRights26/08/15 04:22 PM
2

I don't know if it's a lesson, but this is a complete reversal of the stance judges and legislatures have taken to protect women's gifted photos from being used as revenge porn.
/r/MensRights26/08/15 04:18 PM
2

It's amazing the double standard between this and naked photos women are giving away that are later used as revenge porn. The semen is a transferred gift to be used as wished, but the photos are not and laws are made against it. I smell bias.
/r/MensRights26/08/15 04:15 PM
1

Screw it, I don't have time for a non-moderated debate right now.
/r/MensRights20/08/15 05:54 PM
1

You can't (efficiently) fully remove an earnings gap until the costs of raising children are exactly the same for both sexes, and our biology says otherwise. This is the crux of the argument, and you seem to have missed it. While you might care so much about having two numbers be the same, the rest of the universe is going to follow thermodynamics, and as a result is going to select whatever is the most efficient. The subtle differences in the ability to do a job based on sex differences, the lo…
/r/MensRights20/08/15 03:32 PM
0

True. It's more likely they are just trying to erode his self-esteem with some teasing. "Look what you were trying so hard to get, you missed it! Silly you!" I picked what I did because people would be much quicker to make the rape assumption if the sexes were switched. It's not like it doesn't happen either. Amy Schumer has made a speech about using sexual activity with a drunk, passed out man to suit her emotional needs. She did, luckily, make it a speech about why it's a stupid thing to do, t…
/r/MensRights20/08/15 03:06 PM
1

You don't fix someone punching you by trying to hug them. You just let down your guard for more punches in the face.
/r/MensRights20/08/15 02:31 PM
-1

Yeah. My point is what will readers assume to be the context since there isn't one. That's the point of the whole meme. The original comment authoritatively said "no harm was done here" based on whatever assumptions they made on the context of a photo of sexual battery that could be a prank or could just as easily be a part of continued victimization of the passed out guy.
/r/MensRights20/08/15 02:26 PM
1

Actually, this is sexual battery.
/r/MensRights20/08/15 02:21 PM
2

Policies create a feedback loop. Policies that encourage differences with amplify them over time, and that's working backwards when you consider that technology is eroding the differences between sexes.
/r/MensRights20/08/15 02:14 PM
1

If she's a grammar/spelling nazi and still shared this, then she's a keeper.
/r/MensRights20/08/15 04:13 AM
-28

There's no context. What if one of those girls had raped him last week? This could easily be abusive, mocking behavior.
/r/MensRights20/08/15 04:12 AM
170

It's just how this system seeks balance. I don't see it happening any other way. You don't have to personally be offended, though. You have to recognize that some guys might legitimately be upset for myriad reasons that a girl might also be upset, and stand up for them when they fight for themselves.
/r/MensRights20/08/15 04:10 AM
41

There's still a sexist double standard at play because think about 3 hot girls on a hot guy vs 3 hot guys on a hot girl. You know those would have different reactions.
/r/MensRights20/08/15 04:06 AM
6

Good point.
/r/MensRights20/08/15 03:11 AM
6

So how does toxic femininity fit into this? Men don't express emotions because they are more likely to be refused by women if they appear weak. Women refuse men who show weakness because... how does the patriarchy (power structure benefiting men and oppressing women) cause that? Wouldn't it be a sign the man is less likely to oppress her?
/r/MensRights20/08/15 01:11 AM
6

Amanda Marcotte must be getting thirsty.
/r/MensRights20/08/15 01:08 AM
4

Just look at the graphs in the article. They are better than the quotes and headlines and will answer this question and more.
/r/MensRights20/08/15 01:06 AM
5

The most reasonable part of 1984 is that the manpower to run the system Orwell describes would probably be too expensive for it to support itself. However, now we can automate and don't need all of that manpower.
/r/MensRights20/08/15 01:01 AM
7

The NYTimes article is delusional. Instead, she said, the trick is workplace flexibility in terms of hours and location. “The gender gap in pay would be considerably reduced and might vanish altogether if firms did not have an incentive to disproportionately reward individuals who labored long hours and worked particular hours,” she wrote in a paper published this month in The American Economic Review. The flexibility typically comes with a cost. A cost that will show up in wages. The only type …
/r/MensRights20/08/15 12:49 AM
6

If you didn't get to laugh about it already: https://www.reddit.com/r/nottheonion/comments/2ll4cl/we_dont_do_clickbait_insists_buzzfeed/
/r/MensRights20/08/15 12:31 AM
7

He happens to have a good view on a lot of issues. He doesn't exhibit deep understanding of how social systems organize that would allow him to better detect misinformation or adapt when changes in the world mean a stance should change. I haven't seen a recent candidate that talks like he does have that time of understanding either. Gary Johnson was probably the closest based on the debate coverage I was able to watch in 2012.
/r/MensRights20/08/15 12:29 AM
7

She won't say it now because that type of feminism has thankfully declined, and so she doesn't need to say it to get votes. She says what she needs to say to get votes.
/r/MensRights20/08/15 12:22 AM
2

Facebook supports misery, I see. This fits the studies that say using it too much will make you miserable.
/r/MensRights19/08/15 06:42 PM
10

Those cargo shorts look handy and comfy. I think I'll go grab a pair.
/r/MensRights19/08/15 06:40 PM
78

I wonder if she'll imply male soldiers aren't people again, as well. She'll make a great commander-in-chief.
/r/MensRights19/08/15 06:39 PM
7

The claim to provide "equal opportunity", too. I'm guessing they also flat-out lie and say women are a minority.
/r/MensRights19/08/15 06:37 PM
3

A lot of schools don't help much. At least they didn't when I was the kid in this situation. They just doubled down on mom's martyr-complex views.
/r/MensRights19/08/15 06:35 PM
4

...and a lot of species as well, which indicates there are likely non-individualized general circumstances that increase the likelihood.
/r/MensRights19/08/15 06:20 PM
1

For me it wasn't the hair. It was just that I didn't want to be a man. I had to many negative associations with maleness ground into me.
/r/MensRights18/08/15 04:32 PM
7

If it's ignored, then that's the time to scale up.
/r/MensRights18/08/15 04:20 PM
2

The Daily Dot says it's fake, but doesn't give any reason other than the link to the facebook page. It also "condemns" the response while posting a joke picture of a hotdog in a camp fire. Maxim has a very similar article. http://www.dailydot.com/lifestyle/penis-on-fire-video-cheating/ http://www.maxim.com/entertainment/article/woman-lights-cheating-boyfriend-junk-fire-2015-8
/r/MensRights18/08/15 04:10 PM
1

It's a hard thing to do to demand nice things for yourself if you've had your self-respect ground out of you, and don't think you deserve nice things without working yourself to the bone for them. Use this realization. Start working on sticking up for yourself. If it helps, there are lots of us who are trying to do the same thing.
/r/MensRights10/08/15 04:55 PM
1

It's a complaint for the mods. Do your thing.
/r/MensRights10/08/15 04:52 PM
7

Me: Where do you want to eat? GF: I don't care, anywhere. Me: OK, chinese. GF: No. Me: OK, I'll see you after I'm done eating. :)
/r/MGTOW05/08/15 02:55 PM
7

No, I'm Gamergate!
/r/MensRights04/08/15 01:41 PM
2

Yeah, they argue in a void where they ignore that, in all accusations, the default should be to not believe the accuser until there is proof. The other issue is that victim support services and due process are not mutually exclusive. The court just isn't where the victim needs to be supported, but instead the victim is simply part of the evidence. To support the accuser is simply to support vengeance. The court's goal should be finding the truth of what happened and, if necessary, removing or re…
/r/MensRights31/07/15 03:58 AM
4

Yup, way too much cognitive dissonance.
/r/MensRights31/07/15 03:27 AM
1

Isn't a water bottle simpler?
/r/MensRights31/07/15 03:23 AM
4

Simply, MGTOW is the real-life consequence of ignoring the problems MRAs talk about.
/r/MensRights27/07/15 04:20 PM
25

If I were to pick the archetypal male MRA, I'd pick Warren Farrell.
/r/MensRights27/07/15 04:10 PM
2

Correlation is not causation. The general phenomenon often called MGTOW happening in many cultures has likely generated more interest in men's issues and MRA content and arguments. With at least two options, one would have to do more controlled studies to find whether Paul's tactics or other factors are playing a greater role. It's even possible they are poor tactics and are working against other mechanisms that are bringing progress to men's issues. It's hard to study this type of thing, so we …
/r/MensRights27/07/15 04:08 PM
3

Well, the onus on men to approach would still be a double standard.
/r/MensRights27/07/15 03:55 PM
2

You only stick around after you've recovered if the study of this stuff happens to be one of your hobbies. The Stardusk types are what endgame looks like if you have an interest in the topic of MGTOW. If you have greater interests elsewhere, then you're busy with that stuff. Places like this will always be fully of fresh alcoholics talking about their problems with alcohol.
/r/MGTOW27/07/15 03:21 PM
3

dress as my favourite character ...and yet still a favorite!
/r/MensRights24/07/15 03:29 PM
9

So would a feminist consider the writing in 50 Shades of Grey to be oppressing men? The author is wealthy and has power. Young women have power in the sexual marketplace. They wrote and read about a man with very limited behavioral expectations.
/r/MensRights24/07/15 03:28 PM
2

That's what it would be if he voiced objection.
/r/MensRights21/07/15 07:40 PM
3

It's often both. I was one.
/r/MensRights21/07/15 07:39 PM
3

Leave the two in a room together and we get some coin purses and kids' wallets.
/r/MensRights19/07/15 06:45 PM
4

I'd agree if they had a valid reason for doing so. What reason is there to look only at men in this instance? How do we know this is a decent analysis for rape with no other values to compare it? I've never seen a data set that makes me think looking at only men makes sense here. It's just a floating value. I see this as a problem especially when the introduction of the piece spends so much time talking about campus rape in general, and then fails to study the entire general campus population. I…
/r/MensRights19/07/15 12:32 AM
3

You missed a huge selection bias in the sampling. They only looked at men. I'd have rejected this if I were on the committee or peer review.
/r/MensRights18/07/15 11:51 PM
2

The fact that they didn't is why this shouldn't have made it past peer review.
/r/MensRights18/07/15 11:42 PM
0

I guess you can call something with so much selection bias a "study", but I would not. It's an insult to myself, let alone the insulting "conclusion".
/r/MensRights18/07/15 11:42 PM
1

This is making the economy go down via inactivity, and it's probably a good thing. This is what sustainability looks like. I'm sure it's happened in past instances of overpopulation and shows that the nature we have seems to have a built-in method for dealing with overpopulation.
/r/MGTOW15/07/15 05:43 PM
2

Only 4% would unquestioningly according to the article. 25% think they might be able to do so without having issues.
/r/MGTOW15/07/15 05:43 PM
2

Thinking like an engineer. This is way more efficient than an weeding out through grading.
/r/MensRights10/07/15 06:14 PM
6

"Stop publicly shaming this person, or I'll publicly shame you. That's right, I published a public piece about how I don't like your actions. That'll teach you for speaking in public about how you don't like others actions."
/r/MensRights10/07/15 05:16 PM
3

Yeah, but transportation, at least basic transportation fits right in with this argument. That's why if health is nationalized and equal cost for all citizens, then auto should be as well. You just can't live in a lot of the US without a car or in partial dependence to someone with a car.
/r/MensRights10/07/15 05:08 PM
3

People have been known to carry weapons in them.
/r/MensRights10/07/15 03:40 PM
7

This is PRI: Women's over-representation in anything "good" can't exist, in that you'll never see them report on it. Since women are a "minority", there must be 50+ % of them in anything "good", and nothing "bad" should happen. I regularly listen to PRI's coverage on war/economic headlines/etc. because it's decent, and continue to listen to anything feminism-related for a good laugh to wrap it up. On a side note: They actually are under-represented in careers in STEM because they often take opti…
/r/MensRights10/07/15 02:21 PM
2

Just college campuses for this law.
/r/MensRights10/07/15 01:48 PM
5

She had a bag.
/r/MensRights10/07/15 01:43 PM
6

This trend has been observed in a number of search terms, and matches well with academic calendars.
/r/MensRights27/06/15 03:52 AM
6

It's for the status, not the money. Cosmetics are for looking good, not for getting things done.
/r/MGTOW17/06/15 04:10 AM
2

Men have weaker in-group feelings than women do. When a man hears of other men having problems, he's more likely to think "that's a problem for that guy" instead of "that's a problem for us". This is part of why many issues for men persist while culture has been more willing to talk about women's issues upfront. Otherwise the whole men advocating for women and women advocating for men thing mentioned by another comment would lead to more balance.
/r/MensRights02/06/15 07:20 PM
3

I don't agree. I think his sentencing sucked, but the media misquoted his analogy for click-bait.
/r/MensRights01/06/15 11:27 PM
3

...and the defense attorney in this case, who appealed to "patriarchal norms" by saying that it should be house arrest because she has kids.
/r/MensRights01/06/15 11:26 PM
4

The way the article worded it, I didn't think it was being used as an excuse. It would be better with an audio recording, but the full quote is: '"That is candy to a young man," Judge Garrett D. Page, of Pennsylvania's Montgomery County Court, told Ginnetti at her sentencing. According to the Daily Mail, Page asked the remorseful Ginnetti, "What young man would not jump on that candy?"' As in "don't you think what you did was stupid?" Then sentence just seems like a standard pussy pass. EDIT: Th…
/r/MensRights01/06/15 11:16 PM
5

Yeah there's the possibility it didn't happen as described. I just think the media response shows obvious bias as is. It'd be everywhere if 4 male MMA fighters did this to a woman who grabbed them, spat on them, and tried to slap them. The Ray Rice story is some evidence that's already the case.
/r/MensRights01/06/15 11:10 PM
11

He obviously provoked and started the attack. There's a woman with the last name Rice who did similar and she got knocked out. The athlete who knocked her out (and didn't beat her while she was down) was skewered for months. Inconsistent media response on this one.
/r/MensRights01/06/15 11:01 PM
1

Actually, I don't think the quote is that bad in context. He's saying that she abused her power by making the advances she did to such a young man. Like offering candy to a toddler, the toddler is likely to take it even to his detriment. The way we currently raise boys, they are set up to be victim to this type of abuse in much the way nature gave toddlers more of a sweet tooth than is necessary in modern times, and she was in the wrong for making the offer. I don't get the sentence, though.
/r/MensRights01/06/15 10:49 PM
1

Figure it out or move on.
/r/MGTOW15/05/15 02:53 AM
3

Isaac Newton
/r/MGTOW15/05/15 02:51 AM
2

was that the funny?
/r/MGTOW15/05/15 02:41 AM
0

Just because they don't understand humor doesn't mean I need to flip out. People need to learn stop listening children having tantrums.
/r/MensRights14/05/15 04:01 AM
5

Meh. The point of the article is that these are bad ideas. It's making fun of Cosmo, not the men. It's actually respecting men more than Cosmo by pointing out how awful the tips in it often are. Anyway, just don't visit HuffPo if you don't like their content.
/r/MensRights14/05/15 02:27 AM
10

Who's earned a vote?
/r/MensRights11/05/15 10:24 PM
3

There is sexual dimorphism. Men are the evil sex and women are the victim sex.
/r/MensRights10/05/15 04:02 AM
10

No, because anyone can wear a green shirt. Discrimination is illegal (in most English-speaking places) if based on birth characteristics.
/r/MensRights08/05/15 12:39 AM
10

It is illegal and not enforced.
/r/MensRights08/05/15 12:37 AM
2

The government is mostly a way for these standardized personal contracts to be enforcable. However, the government, as representing society as a whole, has its own interest in people making such contracts and thus incentivizes them and may get involved otherwise. As a both social concept and personal concept, marriage can make a lot of sense if it's done right. If it's made into something that lets people exploit others, then not so much. Marriage also has the issue of being old, and as a result…
/r/MensRights07/05/15 12:20 AM
1

Yeah, I'm not really in disagreement with you on that point. I just find it funny because I get an email about once every other week (huge campus) about somebody getting groped or similar by a person they know. It then fails to give any information about the offender other than that they are male (despite the person being known to the victim), and then proceeds to say that "It can be assumed that conditions that continue to exist that may pose a threat to members and guests of the University com…
/r/MensRights06/05/15 02:34 PM
2

I would demand more information This is an encyclopedia compared to the emails I get at the state university I'm about to leave.
/r/MensRights06/05/15 02:20 PM
1

Are you good looking?
/r/MensRights06/05/15 02:17 PM
3

The trick is to paint him when he's stealthed.
/r/MensRights06/05/15 02:16 PM
3

This is another great one for a gender flip.
/r/MensRights06/05/15 02:11 PM
1

So you're saying the government is writing clauses into applications based on remarriages to appease predatory lenders? Seems a bit more convoluted than just passing off responsibility on to people no one cares to defend, but I guess it's possible. It could be both.
/r/MensRights06/05/15 02:07 PM
1

Just take whatever you came in with, and split any items that was purchased equally, and go about your merry way. This is why. Some things can't be split very well, and some things that are brought in have more lasting value than others. Fair marriages arrangements are a sort of "relationship insurance" that can let people invest in a relationship in ways they may otherwise find too risky.
/r/MensRights06/05/15 12:30 AM
1

As long as custody is awarded unevenly, it's a sexist issue by default. Particularly since there isn't any reason for the law to exist except to encourage stepparents to pay for the children they married into (even if, as you mentioned, they may not actually do it). Can you explain why this law tying a student's financial aid to a stepparent exists if not to encourage financial support by the stepparent?
/r/MensRights05/05/15 11:33 PM
1

I have to ask you then, why does this law exist if not for the final result of OP's title? To me this seems very similar to a grandfather or literacy clause.
/r/MensRights05/05/15 11:04 PM
1

I'm not sure why you are making this reply to the comment I just made. Yes, I know. So then the student potentially sues the stepparent and a judge decides, though I doubt it often reaches that point. I'm guessing either the stepparent pays or the child gives up more often than a law suit. It's really shitty for the student who gets into a great college (or any college, for that matter) who is unable to afford it because his/her step-parent's income is too high to receive aid. A court cannot for…
/r/MensRights05/05/15 10:55 PM
2

I see a lot of these seemingly non-sexist things as similar to the grandfather clause(s). It looks non-discriminatory on the surface, but predominantly affects a subset of the population (in this case men). There is also little justification for the law as well, which begs the question as to its existence other than to have the effect it has on the said subset of the population. There's not a good reason I can see for running over personal contracts like a pre-nup in this case, other than to ens…
/r/MensRights05/05/15 10:46 PM
0

They are separate issues tied together by the fact that the child's desire to go to college maintains the demand for the money to go. It's like a car salesman changing the value of the trade-in in order to compensate for a discount the being purchased. Two separate values, but they are both part of the net cost to the customer.
/r/MensRights05/05/15 10:26 PM
2

The researchers raised the issue of cultural differences for race, but not sex. I find that interesting in itself.
/r/MensRights05/05/15 10:01 PM
1

There's at least one case in court that those can be the same thing. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2014/12/caitlyn_ricci_college_tuition_lawsuit_divorced_parents_are_obliged_to_pay.html
/r/MensRights05/05/15 09:19 PM
3

This also doesn't get into why behaviors labelled narcissistic would exist. For example, a man is likely to be more concerned with watching out for himself if he has less of a social safety net available. So a study should compare men and women in the same support setting to sort out gender differences in personality from rational responses to environmental conditions. The differences in race could also come from environmental factors in support networks. Do you have which study you found on han…
/r/MensRights05/05/15 09:18 PM
1

I guess I follow now. It seemed like it was talking about a stepparent marrying in and then divorcing away with a prenup. It seems now more like it is talking about a current stepparent. It makes me wonder what happens if that relationship ends. I can't keep up with this many parents. The wording makes me lean toward my original conclusion, but one would have to look for legal precedent.
/r/MensRights05/05/15 08:54 PM
1

My custodial parent remarried and signed a prenuptial agreement that absolves the stepparent from financial responsibility for my education. Why does my stepparent have to provide financial information on the FAFSA? Prenuptial agreements are ignored by the federal need analysis process. After all, two individuals (parent and stepparent) cannot make an agreement between them that is binding on a third party (the federal government). The federal government considers the stepparent a source of supp…
/r/MensRights05/05/15 08:06 PM
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I wouldn't say they are expected to pay as much as they could pay. If the child of a wealthy family applies for aid, they'll be denied, even if mom and dad are refusing to cover education costs. Same here, step dad may be refusing to pay and he is allowed to, but the government still says, "the money is there, if step dad won't pay, that's between you and him" This says nothing about it not being a men's rights issue. I can't communicate with outright lies. Good day.
/r/MensRights05/05/15 08:04 PM
0

That's beside the point of this post.
/r/MensRights05/05/15 08:00 PM
1

What percentage of people who have no genetic connection to a child and are legally disconnected (through personal contract) from a genetic parent are still a major part of the child's life? I honestly don't know. I'm figuring they'd just move on, rather than expecting to be financially tied for thousand of dollars over several years.
/r/MensRights05/05/15 07:55 PM
1

Expected to pay by the child. Otherwise the child is limited access to an education. Apparently according to another comment they can actually be forced to pay through court. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2014/12/caitlyn_ricci_college_tuition_lawsuit_divorced_parents_are_obliged_to_pay.html
/r/MensRights05/05/15 07:51 PM
1

So the kid goes without an education unless the step daddy pays, even if there is no longer any legal connection (and never a genetic one)? Many kids can't get into college without governmental or parental assistance. The government is passing its moral and legal obligation off on citizens who have little connection to a child and are being forced to support them by running over private personal contracts. I'm not trying to misunderstand you. I'm asking you to finish your thought and actually re…
/r/MensRights05/05/15 07:48 PM
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Ummm... what does this have to do with your original comment? Now instead of just arguing a more-or-less semantic difference between putting people in a position where the are stuck paying vs. forcing them to pay, you're moving goal posts by talking about a separate issue.
/r/MensRights05/05/15 06:14 PM
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Are you just talking because you like semantics?
/r/MensRights05/05/15 04:36 PM
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Yes, but with the notion that the kid will be rejected governmental aid because the former step parent is expected to pay (pre-nup or not).
/r/MensRights05/05/15 03:41 PM
0

Thanks, I took a moment to double-check that I had downvoted that on my YouTube account.
/r/MensRights01/05/15 10:39 PM
4

I think it's saying male sexuality degrades one's character. It's a running theme: "Protect her character. Don't get your nastiness all over it."
/r/MensRights01/05/15 10:37 PM
8

Well, it's a fitting ideology for a rapist. http://thoughtcatalog.com/anonymous/2014/05/wait-a-second-did-amy-schumer-rape-a-guy/
/r/MensRights01/05/15 10:29 PM
1

Yeah, the use of the word "this" to refer to a person next to her is pretty low.
/r/MGTOW29/04/15 03:39 AM
1

They probably, from birth, have never been respected long enough to build a self-image that includes anything other than abuse.
/r/MGTOW28/04/15 03:02 PM
3

I wasn't really intending to "get a rise". Mostly just adding more to the "women are no better than men" data pool, since it's a part of why MGTOW aren't content in current culture.
/r/MGTOW28/04/15 03:33 AM
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Don't hate the player, hate the game. Well, I didn't mean to hate the men, though I guess my title wasn't that clear. Taking blue pills is the current game, and the one we're not playing. I couldn't watch 10 minutes of this. You missed the best part. Toward the middle/end are the guys paying for verbal abuse and harassment. It takes a special type to seek profit at the expense of those who's identity is centered around abuse (likely as a result of child abuse). Yet, apparently it's only a social…
/r/MGTOW28/04/15 12:22 AM
3

Originally posted in /r/documentaries. link
/r/MGTOW27/04/15 09:47 PM
5

Just piss on the sign, and then wait for the sign about that. Sign-ception!
/r/MensRights25/04/15 09:33 PM
2

A jackass with a mattress?
/r/MensRights25/04/15 09:27 PM
3

It was right in the court document, it's thelibertarianrepublic that spelled it wrong.
/r/MensRights25/04/15 09:26 PM
1

FUCK YOU! I've said it bluntly for them. Sometimes it helps when the assholes are blunt about it.
/r/MensRights25/04/15 09:06 PM
8

...and they were right. It was a setup.
/r/MensRights23/04/15 02:52 PM
2

MGTOW is about rational self-interest and personal development. Most will find that the more a man enters into relationships with women, the hard it is to have either.
/r/MGTOW22/04/15 09:01 PM
16

He's living on the edge acting like that. A real risk taker, that one.
/r/MensRights21/04/15 05:27 PM
4

Wanting women. Wanting women a lot. I guess there's also a chance he's closeted trans. There's probably also a chance he may have been abused.
/r/MensRights18/04/15 03:20 AM
4

Maybe an accident will happen between him and his dominatrix.
/r/MensRights18/04/15 03:18 AM
11

Ugh. A little bit of a venting story of my own. This is from my elementary school years, which is before puberty for those unfamiliar. I had at least a few feminist teachers, though I don't remember too many specifics. I remember having to look into feminism as an assignment, which is problematic already given the fact a child will have trouble distinguishing hate-filled radical work, satire, and moderate pieces from each other (provided there's any rationality to a moderate view of feminism). A…
/r/MensRights15/04/15 10:24 PM
6

This has been shown in the US already. It's neat to see it from another culture.
/r/MensRights15/04/15 09:32 PM
2

He's not a scientist. He's a science guy. He's an engineer who likes science a lot. He's never published any research.
/r/MensRights13/04/15 11:20 PM
2

A BS in mechanical engineering doesn't have the rigorous focus on scientific method, controls, etc. that come from conducting research, publishing, and earning a PhD.
/r/MensRights13/04/15 11:18 PM
1

Abused children probably wouldn't get it, which is part of why I hate the assignments in elementary schools where kids have to look up information on feminism. It's way to early for learning social policy to be relevant, and it'll really confuse kids who have a rough home life and little guidance to sort through adult material.
/r/MensRights13/04/15 11:13 PM
2

Culture does change how interactions with general biological traits occur. Thus, a person could go to those cultures, and potentially be happier than in a western culture based on how local policies handle commonalities in human nature. Moving a person out of one of those cultures will invite them to change to adapt to the current culture, and those changes will be based on commonalities in human nature.
/r/MGTOW13/04/15 10:32 PM
4

It's true. I ignored someone instead of listening to them, and my Y chromosome grew another arm.
/r/MensRights13/04/15 08:10 PM
2

You're asking men? My answer is "no".
/r/MensRights13/04/15 08:07 PM
2

They'll just ignore it.
/r/MensRights13/04/15 08:06 PM
3

This is what you get when you combine hate with a poor understanding of evolution.
/r/MensRights13/04/15 08:04 PM
2

4/5 *~9/20
/r/MensRights13/04/15 08:03 PM
14

Hahaha. The author's name is "Shilling".
/r/MensRights10/04/15 09:40 PM
1

This probably counts things like minor groping as part of the numbers for sexual assault (like pinching a butt). It technically is sexual assault/battery. Those who remember being groped, even minor groping, would report it on a survey. Minor groping is a violation, but it's rather dishonest to lump it in with greater offenses like rape.
/r/MensRights10/04/15 09:38 PM
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Apparently individual doctors' offices try to strong arm consent forms from fear of litigation, but no laws exist forcing spousal consent in the US or UK. The source from the UK says litigation is a big concern, but it doesn't specify the type of case. http://www.ehow.com/about_5847677_vasectomy-laws.html http://goodmenproject.com/newsroom/are-men-legally-required-to-ask-their-spouses-permission-for-a-vasectomy/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1282203/
/r/MensRights10/04/15 10:33 AM
2

One of the many reasons men's rights recommends against marriage.
/r/MensRights10/04/15 10:18 AM
4

That show was great. There were so many moments where I could listen to Anna unintentionally trash herself.
/r/MensRights08/04/15 11:26 PM
11

That was more the reporter. The magazine's editor did actually apologize to the frat months ago. The magazine does still work with the reporter, though. They also have more cash and name recognition than the reporter.
/r/MensRights07/04/15 01:27 AM
1

Even this "apology" is under-investigated. She couldn't even figure out the victims of her crime. I hope the victims and the law find her.
/r/MensRights06/04/15 03:05 PM
7

...or "You think I'm an MRA? Thank you!".
/r/MensRights02/04/15 10:10 PM
1

"…she is in court because of some things that are getting kind of dysfunctional with the two of you, but it is really her being insecure about being 27 and having done probably what her parents didn’t want her to do by taking the road she has taken. She isn’t advancing her career. She has stairstep babies, for the most part, a guy that isn’t committed to her whom she thinks is running around with other women, and now she is here in court. That’s the reality I see. Why wouldn’t you add some stabi…
/r/MensRights02/04/15 07:31 PM
1

Women are very concerned with status, and that means doing whatever everyone else is doing. They probably like you and want to keep associating with you, but they want you to conform so that they aren't associating with that weird guy and hurting their status.
/r/MGTOW02/04/15 03:37 PM
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For a clever guy, he's a slow learner on that lesson.
/r/MensRights01/04/15 11:49 PM
2

Hard working, ambitious women are not hard to find. That's a difficult claim to back up with data.
/r/MensRights31/03/15 02:17 AM
1

I agree that independence is a bit of an illusion and it's tough to be independent and happy. I'm not sure why you are agreeing about the claim of the number of strong, independent women. It's something that is both hard to measure and hard to estimate.
/r/MensRights30/03/15 09:44 PM
2

The second part of this makes sense. The first part is a claim that would be very hard to actually estimate or measure.
/r/MensRights30/03/15 09:32 PM
2

I think you don't understand why it's stickied because you missed the point. Also, if this post is misogynistic, your response is just as misandric. In reality, misandry and misogyny are red herrings here.
/r/MensRights30/03/15 01:20 AM
2

Yeah, it's hard for me to want any woman who isn't a step or so ahead of me, such that I will feel motivated in a relationship. Given the western environment, that's where a woman on par with me would be. Or basically, if I'm 450/1000 men, she'd be 450/1000 women, but her life would probably look like a 6/10 while mine might be a 4/10. That's the type of match-up that should be happening in droves if feminism were rational. It's not.
/r/MensRights29/03/15 09:24 PM
3

It's not all that related to rights. However, since /r/oney is such a toss-up, this is probably the only place on reddit to talk about it. I don't mind seeing it here.
/r/MensRights29/03/15 09:16 PM
4

Full segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ7OiTYlpJU
/r/MensRights29/03/15 09:12 PM
3

It was kind of fun to watch Mila's face through that.
/r/MensRights29/03/15 09:09 PM
2

It's a nice concept on paper, but the few dudes swimming in it on tinder aren't likely to start prosecuting their matches. You might be able to get guys who's relationships are about to end to do it. Even so, men are less neotenous than women. Men's advocacy is an uphill battle in a physically secure and generally social setting.
/r/MensRights29/03/15 09:05 PM
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Well if he's going to send the pic to his friends so that they believe him, it's got to be a decent pic or it won't matter.
/r/MensRights29/03/15 08:58 PM
4

Sex offender registry.
/r/MensRights29/03/15 08:57 PM
2

Go for it. I've been floating around this community long enough now that I forget what is and isn't common knowledge. She will be running, though. It'll be good to have that quote making it's rounds on social media.
/r/MensRights29/03/15 06:53 AM
3

"Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat. Women often have to flee from the only homes they have ever known. Women are often the refugees from conflict and sometimes, more frequently in today’s warfare, victims. Women are often left with the responsibility, alone, of raising the children." http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Hillary_Rodham_Clinton Apparently men are only good for being women's possessions, and the real problem wi…
/r/MensRights29/03/15 06:45 AM
2

She's openly dehumanizes men and will be a candidate in a major upcoming election.
/r/MensRights29/03/15 03:22 AM
1

That depends on who is saying it.
/r/MensRights28/03/15 09:15 PM
1

Women tend to have more spending power than men, so of course they'll be donating more.
/r/MensRights28/03/15 09:12 PM
1

I scrolled over it and decided I couldn't start it. More power to you.
/r/MensRights28/03/15 07:58 PM
3

At the time it was published, the journal seems to have been approximately equivalent to self-publishing. It had no impact factor until 2012 and this article is from 1995. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Educational_Studies_in_Mathematics This article is just more crap from the peak of second-wave feminist bullshit.
/r/MensRights26/03/15 08:57 PM
3

Well, there are more women, so how else are they going to be pay if there aren't more grants for women?
/r/MensRights26/03/15 08:41 PM
3

Yeah, the ratio in most colleges is about 60% women to 40% men. I was lazy and didn't label since it's a common figure.
/r/MensRights26/03/15 07:02 PM
1

People aren't all too naturally monogamous. This is what happens when you remove the social incentives for monogamy and disincentives for polygamy. Many of these woman probably prefer being part of a soft harem to dating a lower status man, anyway. That is, as long as they are taken care of if they get pregnant.
/r/MensRights26/03/15 07:01 PM
2

There have been posts on this sub before. I'm guessing they were real since plumbing codes are designed around fixtures per person, and so there can be problems when coed dorms don't have balanced populations.
/r/MensRights26/03/15 06:22 PM
2

Maybe OP just wants some piss and quiet.
/r/MensRights26/03/15 05:52 PM
5

It depends. What you are saying isn't, but some schools are handling their 60-40 ratio by getting rid of men's bathrooms rather than making honest efforts to support men/boys.
/r/MensRights26/03/15 05:51 PM
1

You have to give up your "privilege". Now I want to make a bot that replaces "privilege" with "penis" in feminist writings.
/r/MensRights26/03/15 01:28 AM
1

Wow... this made me realize that transgender people in the US have their rates change base on their license marker. What a strange world.
/r/MensRights26/03/15 12:23 AM
2

Yeah, but then health insurance should cost more for women, but that's illegal. Both types of insurance are legally mandated in the US (or at least most of it). Both a car and healthcare are also necessary to live for most people in the US.
/r/MensRights26/03/15 12:09 AM
1

As to why, both traditional and feminist models of behavior don't have room for it. In traditionalism, men are more disposable as well as responsible for dealing with making the world safe for people, so any problem (besides reproduction) that they can't handle is a problem people can't handle. No one exists to help them because they are the ones to do the building and the helping. In a feminist model, men are in control of all the power and use it to victimize others (particularly women), so th…
/r/MensRights26/03/15 12:03 AM
1

It's likely men are put into positions where they have to take more risk, and more aggression comes with it. This is something that is likely a mixture of genetic and learned contributions. When one is taking action in self-interest without anonymity, one is taking a risk. Women are protected from risk in society and their risk-aversion is common knowledge. It's too bad they surrounded a decent study with feminist bullshit.
/r/MensRights25/03/15 11:17 PM
1

Yeah, the sidebar kinda sucks.
/r/MGTOW24/03/15 02:13 AM
2

MGTOW is action in rational self-interest. So, you get to miss out on irrational self-interest and self-sacrifice.
/r/MGTOW21/03/15 08:58 PM
14

MGTOW is more concerned with discipline in achieving personal goals than women as society's recommended goal. So disciplined porn consumption (or just imagination and masturbation) are a way to get one more biological function out of the way to stay focused on other goals, be they long-term or short-term. Most MGTOW would probably not make high volume masturbation a personal goal, but also wouldn't shame a man who does. Moving beyond society is moving beyond shame.
/r/MGTOW21/03/15 08:50 PM
3

MGTOW is phenomenon. It's a manifestation of male nature under certain conditions. Lots more men are MGTOW than are interested in talking about it or are on this board. If you pursue the things you are interested in with passion and talk about it with other interested people in your area, you'll eventually find others.
/r/MGTOW21/03/15 03:38 AM
1

Aside from all the other advice, I want to let you know where challenges for other modes of thought will come from: peers, teachers, family members. Those will be the biggest influences leading her in other directions. I don't recommend warning her personally about them, but to be aware of when she is interacting with them, and help her with the critical thought necessary to see the problems in the way they see the world. As far as media goes, it has impacts in two ways: 1) people seek out media…
/r/MGTOW20/03/15 10:18 PM
1

Go one sentence at a time.
/r/MGTOW20/03/15 09:36 PM
2

She's a real person who is playing the Kaceytron character. Check her AMA.
/r/MGTOW19/03/15 06:58 PM
2

"Women are the primary victims of war" -Hillary Clinton Until she addresses that comment, she's earned any ballbuster mocking she receives.
/r/MensRights19/03/15 06:36 AM
3

"Despite the fact that the women – aged 17, 22 and 23 at the time – were injured in the first nine weeks of their RAF training, they have been compensated for nine years of lost earnings and pension perks. All have recovered and have successful careers outside the military." The payout doesn't seem to fit the damage, but it does seem like the RAF needs to decide what its standards are and make sure they are enforced. This type of thing isn't good for morale.
/r/MensRights19/03/15 06:13 AM
6

Feminism, despite the label, is gender neutral. Apparently someone thinks I failed marketing 101. Judging by the usage of the Venn diagram, so did they. Either ignore it or mock it. It's too messed up to take it seriously. Only a close-minded person would look at this stuff that simply, and close-minded people aren't worth your time.
/r/MensRights19/03/15 05:55 AM
6

I think "opt-in" is the best route, though I enjoy calling it "pro-death" just because I like to mess with people. It works on the assumption that most sex is recreational, and that contraceptives form a practical separation between sex and reproduction. It's a reversal of the old assumption that sexual relationships inevitably lead to pregnancy. It's a simple position. If sex occurs under the presumption of recreation (using contraception), then the fetus must be aborted (or maybe child put up …
/r/MensRights19/03/15 05:36 AM
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Some things seem like they have to get worse before they get better. If men's sentences have been too long, it seems this will be the only way that will be noticed. I'm not advocating that this should or shouldn't be the mechanism of change, but just observing that in this case it seems to be the mechanism.
/r/MensRights19/03/15 05:13 AM
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The Onion is pretty funny, but a little too liberal to just say "black man". They did, however, use a male name and image. Statistically, switching the sex is more punishment than switching the race. I laughed when I first saw it.
/r/MGTOW19/03/15 01:28 AM
2

What position are you arguing? What will her position be?
/r/MensRights18/03/15 05:03 PM
1

YouTube link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0L7FuA8Rry8
/r/MGTOW17/03/15 09:00 PM
1

Unless there is a strong alibi immediately ready, there will be enough doubt for an accusation to still do plenty of damage. Constantly recording his actions would probably also be a better move than avoiding all sex if he wants to go to extreme measures. That would make alibis simple.
/r/MensRights17/03/15 05:43 AM
1

It's also the difference between laughing with someone and laughing at them that is often missed. Like the "what about the menz"-related jokes that invalidate the experience rather than to help cope with it in the way humor like Bill Burr's does.
/r/MensRights17/03/15 01:22 AM
2

Mocking hate groups is very therapeutic.
/r/MensRights16/03/15 10:44 PM
6

I love how over consumption by overpopulation is driving climate change, yet the only usage of "consumption" in the whole thing is about women being more willing to eat vegetarian. I bet men are more willing to use less toilet paper. Did you study that?
/r/MensRights16/03/15 10:42 PM
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Wanted to take it down. It's still up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_against_men
/r/MensRights16/03/15 10:39 PM
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Well, does not having sex protect you from a false accusation? You're probably best off cutting women with red flags out of your life entirely than to avoid sex entirely. Actually, that's a really sensible thing to do. There's nothing you can do about the random crazy who might accuse you, so just be glad that they are rare. Hopefully enough legal precedents and protections will exist in the future to not give crazy people so much power.
/r/MensRights16/03/15 10:34 PM
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Well, there is at least effective legal recourse for rape. Also, since women can rape each other, one would have to give up all relationships. The risk of a false accusation will feel more real to a man until effective deterrents are in place and incentives are reduced. That's something that is luckily starting to change.
/r/MensRights16/03/15 10:31 PM
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Whether the opposite alone would get a shitstorm or not, the absence of this is bad enough. Neglect is a form of child abuse, and when it "takes a community to raise a child", the way boys have been treated the past few decades is atrocious. "Girl power" didn't need to exist alone. The rest of culture was not "boy power", no matter what feminists say.
/r/MensRights16/03/15 10:18 PM
2

I tip well and give directly to people who I personally know who need a hand. I'm not sure what I'll do if I find myself with too much money.
/r/MGTOW16/03/15 03:56 PM
6

It also means to have control over, while "populated" does not imply that is the case.
/r/MensRights16/03/15 03:40 PM
3

He got downvoted because this isn't what he said. That's why it's worth it to fully articulate an idea, particularly when it is tangent to the original content.
/r/MensRights16/03/15 03:59 AM
1

May I have back story on this photo?
/r/MensRights16/03/15 03:53 AM
1

Text explaining the origin of TOGTFO.
/r/MensRights15/03/15 08:03 PM
7

You don't need to fly her back.
/r/MensRights15/03/15 08:01 PM
1

I think we could afford to talk about/debate over potential policy solutions that could eventually be advocated to solve problems. A single strategy and set of goals is unlikely besides general opposition to discrimination and hate movements. It's probably also not necessary if even desirable. I'll gladly talk with anyone about pro-death/opt-in parenthood policy. I don't expect everyone to agree.
/r/MensRights14/03/15 02:40 AM
9

It's hard to communicate without words. Some people wanted to talk about it, and so they came up with a word.
/r/MGTOW13/03/15 06:46 PM
1

Democracy seems to come after a society is relatively secure. In a secure society, demand for men to provide security is somewhat diminished. That would increase the relative value of women to men. I think you would also find the societies you're referring to already treated women with greater privilege before giving them the vote with no corresponding responsibility, and splitting the vote just made matters worse (before changes in voting rights, men were expected to vote in the best interest o…
/r/MGTOW13/03/15 05:06 AM
14

"Diamonds are a girl's best friend" and a camera is a man's best friend.
/r/MGTOW13/03/15 12:35 AM
1

/u/sillymod Is this a bot? Seems like it's running a script of some sort.
/r/MensRights13/03/15 12:29 AM
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Hopefully the school can use a different source for their programs. It might be possible if there isn't too much corruption in middle management.
/r/MensRights13/03/15 12:26 AM
1

Strange reply. Time for a turing test. qbu8q3t5h89-gnu3w5h9p.
/r/MensRights13/03/15 12:15 AM
1

Explain how it is hate speech.
/r/MensRights12/03/15 11:57 PM
1

So you agree men have privilege? Yes, but probably fewer than women. You also believe in mircoaggressions? I think small actions can be perceived differently by different people. It's a problem that can be fixed easily with communication. Do you believe in that all men have oppressed all women through out history? No, not as a group in the way that "oppression" typically means. Do you have unbiased evidence that they have? The slippery slope can be avoided by just choosing not to slide. http://e…
/r/MensRights12/03/15 11:40 PM
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I second all of this, and to put it simply it's basically discrimination as long as any of the text in those two sections is different aside from the phone numbers. There's no reason to make it different between the two unless they have special differentiated services for men and women who have children that are still in their weening period that they would be bringing to shelters.
/r/MensRights12/03/15 10:57 PM
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That's the 90s for you. See the copyright? Find who is in charge and tell them to use up-to-date info. The social sciences have been getting better at running controls over the last decade. Cite the changes to VAWA as a start if they want an example of how things should be gender neutral. If they want data, come in here and we can find you stuff, or you can pull things off of the side bar.
/r/MensRights12/03/15 10:40 PM
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It may be something your prof. just hasn't thought about much. Your description of the lecture makes it seem like the prof. is less idealistic than the book. Depending how much you care about it, you could bring it up at office hours. Again, I suggest taking the angle of wanting clarification, since the two models seem to conflict. Having taught college level courses, I can tell you that going to office hours for clarification can only help or do nothing for your grade. If you choose to argue, t…
/r/MensRights12/03/15 10:28 PM
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Well that's a good sign. If you do bring it up, I suggest taking the application of theory angle. It's very impersonal and will help keep emotion out of it. Just bring up the psychological models, and how they differ, and how that's a confusing thing. Let the prof(s). give their views. I should have said this on my original comment, but I was tired at the time. Being as non-confrontational as possible is usually the best route, but it is good for the discussion to happen.
/r/MensRights12/03/15 09:52 PM
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They come about it by what I've found to be the wrong means, but I do agree with some of the things they say. I'm also not Christian, but still agree that murder is wrong. I just agree for different reasons. I'll use language that agrees with them where I agree with their definitions, and will debate where I do not agree. I'm not particularly worried about them "destroying" me.
/r/MensRights12/03/15 04:51 PM
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Yeah, I suppose. It's kind of like they have the Devil and Jesus, but no God. No wonder they are (in general, in my opinion) worse to be around than Christians.
/r/MensRights12/03/15 03:23 PM
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Bring up at your next class that this particularly isn't valid. Here are sources: "By determining that the need or desire for power was the motivating force behind battering, we created a conceptual framework that, in fact, did not fit the lived experience of many of the men and women we were working with. The DAIP staff [...] remained undaunted by the difference in our theory and the actual experiences of those we were working with [...] It was the cases themselves that created the chink in eac…
/r/MensRights12/03/15 04:41 AM
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Well, I wouldn't say that women don't have power as well as men, or that power doesn't exist. The patriarchy is power only in the hands of men, and for the benefit of men. That's the place where I see no evidence. As long as one isn't willing to switch from that which has evidence to that which does not, I don't find using one of their terms to be too much of a slippery slope.
/r/MensRights12/03/15 03:43 AM
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I agree that "privilege" as well as "discrimination" typically involve how people act toward each other, rather than simply possessing traits that are "advantages" or "disadvantages". However, both men and women possess both.
/r/MensRights12/03/15 01:14 AM
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That's would take the "fem" out of "feminism". It's like asking why Christians don't just suddenly start worshiping Zeus. Patriarchy is their god, and it means that it can't just go away without feminism as a whole going away. Denying female privilege is essential to feminism as a part of belief in the patriarchy. Since it's essential, they'll never admit female privilege unless they are leaving the faith or don't understand it.
/r/MensRights12/03/15 12:59 AM
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"We begrudgingly agree."
/r/MensRights09/03/15 10:34 PM
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Then you have it backwards. It's feminists who are unwilling to work with or who work against men. Men can't stop being men very easily, and there's no innate reason they should stop. They have every reason to want to fight for their rights. Feminists can change their ideology any time their mind is ready.
/r/MensRights09/03/15 10:21 PM
3

How is this progress?
/r/MensRights09/03/15 10:19 PM
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People change over time, and it takes quite a while to get to know them. It is in a society's best interest to foster trust rather than undermine it. Also, I suggest refraining from using "you". It makes statements sound condescending and scolding.
/r/MensRights09/03/15 06:14 PM
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No. People may or may not change. I find feminist theory false. If they fail to demonstrate why I should believe in their theory, I'm going to be critical of it. I just don't see why you're talking about special tactics to "reach them". It's beside the point. I don't care if they see my perspective. I care that they stop preaching bullshit.
/r/MensRights08/03/15 11:23 PM
1

As I said earlier, "An evolutionist and a creationist can easily agree that bunnies are cute, but that doesn't make the problems creationism causes go away." You've been able to agree with feminists on a few surface points. That doesn't mean they'll advocate any useful policy. Imagine a creationist trying to breed rabbits, or to a greater extent, biologically engineer them. Their wrong ideas will prevent them from doing it right. Feminists have the same sort of issue. You sound like someone post…
/r/MensRights08/03/15 10:53 PM
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My objection is feminist theory. It's false.
/r/MensRights08/03/15 10:44 PM
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Good point. I'm not sure how that plays out, so I'd ask a lawyer as it would be helpful if you can use it. The rules might be different when it comes to the welfare of a child. Civil rights get violated all the time to collect child support under the same rationale.
/r/MensRights08/03/15 10:33 PM
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Google's ngram viewer is great for things like this as well. It shows, for example, that the idea of "fighting patriarchy" wasn't a prominent part of women's suffrage. That came along later. Nice post, OP. https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=feminism%2C+patriarchy%2C+feminist&year_start=1900&year_end=2008&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cfeminism%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cpatriarchy%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cfeminist%3B%2Cc0
/r/MensRights08/03/15 10:29 PM
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We've been doing that for a year and she's the only one losing it during our conversations and does so every time we try, even in front of therapist Some of what you say may be hard to prove in court, but there's a witness for this one.
/r/MensRights08/03/15 10:24 PM
1

Just get rid of ideas that don't stand up to criticism, and then move on.
/r/MensRights08/03/15 10:18 PM
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So what happens when there's a tunnel?
/r/MensRights08/03/15 10:16 PM
1

Yes, and how does something that is entirely controlled by a woman protect a man from said woman's bad decisions? Birth control isn't relevant. Men have already been ordered to pay child support to children who aren't theirs because they were romantically involved with a woman, particularly in the case of marriage.
/r/MensRights08/03/15 10:06 PM
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If I encounter a bad idea that affects me, I'm going to criticize it. If they can't take criticism, I don't really care. Humanity progresses by moving past what is ineffective. You write this whole post assuming we're being emotional. We're not all the strawmen they accuse us of being. The ones who are probably aren't going to change because you and some feminists agreed on a few talking points. An evolutionist and a creationist can easily agree that bunnies are cute, but that doesn't make the p…
/r/MensRights08/03/15 10:01 PM
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That doesn't eliminate pregnancy and paternity-related issues.
/r/MensRights08/03/15 09:35 PM
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the teacher and 2 of the girls in that class about 20 minutes later were actively fat shaming a girl doing P.e out the window. If this is a common thing, and it seems like it is. Get evidence next time and have her removed or at least reprimanded.
/r/MensRights08/03/15 05:05 AM
1

Just discriminatory marketing. I can't wait for a "groundbreaking" case on this.
/r/MensRights06/03/15 06:06 AM
1

imagine the complaints that men only hours would bring. Why not find out?
/r/MensRights05/03/15 07:43 PM
1

There's an uproar this time? Might want to mark this one as "progress".
/r/MensRights05/03/15 07:40 PM
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Spetsnaz, Bar Bar, Stardus/thinkingape-tv, and Karen Straughan's early work. Raging Golden Eagle is a nice change of pace. RazorBladeKandy is supposed to be decent if you can handle the voice. John the Other is good when he's not in a spat with AVFM.
/r/MGTOW05/03/15 06:23 PM
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That's not how they handle it here. Good for your library!
/r/MensRights05/03/15 02:36 AM
1

Yes, my list of points was far from exhaustive.
/r/MensRights04/03/15 08:00 PM
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I don't know. Much about the brain remains unknown. If there's a known pathology for narcissism, it might be related to that.
/r/MGTOW03/03/15 01:06 AM
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http://kidshealth.org/parent/general/sick/munchausen.html
/r/MGTOW02/03/15 11:56 PM
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In my experience, suicide is linked with hopelessness (http://www.suicide.org/hopelessness-a-dangerous-warning-sign.html). Loss of identity and no new identity could play a role in that. Addressing a lack of services would be part of letting men find a new identity (instead of blaming them and increasing hopelessness).
/r/MensRights02/03/15 07:10 AM
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Tell me about it. I'm in the process of trying to get the primary victims' services center in my area to stop marketing itself as a "Women's Center".
/r/MensRights02/03/15 06:47 AM
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It's not just that. Survival rate for babies and mothers has also increased, and baby formula exists. These things further reduce the demand as well as increasing supply.
/r/MGTOW02/03/15 03:35 AM
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Stop slut shamming!
/r/MensRights02/03/15 01:54 AM
2

Imagine if the government spoke to women about life-threatening obligations and withholding of rights like this.
/r/MensRights02/03/15 01:52 AM
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In a society that assumes a woman either can't make sexual actions and advances, or no one would be willing to resist her if she did: yes. Those two assumptions make the concept of gaining consent irrelevant for women.
/r/MensRights02/03/15 01:46 AM
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Just don't have any friends or family and then you don't have to worry about whether to be private about it or not. I say that only kind of jokingly because at your age you are probably over-prioritizing certain people in your life that you are better off not bothering to appease.
/r/MensRights02/03/15 01:32 AM
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When in doubt just let the voting do the talking.
/r/MensRights02/03/15 01:28 AM
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Sounds like a problem for /r/firstworldanarchists
/r/MensRights28/02/15 04:06 PM
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Also, war is a unique violence against men committed by states. When looking at the rationale used for the Violence Against Women article, war alone is all the rationale needed for a Violence Against Men article. It's state endorsed violence that discriminates against men that is globally present and massively scaled. It also disconnected from DV.
/r/MensRights28/02/15 01:12 PM
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Well, you said practicality always trumps fairness in society. No, I didn't say that. I implied that nature selects what is most practical. Over time, a society will adapt by allowing what is most practical to occur, and then redefining "fair" to account for the ~1:1 birth ratio. If a society doesn't do that, then it will be outcompeted by another society that does. I pointed to, in particular, the example that it would be practical for women to stay home and watch the children rather than allow…
/r/MensRights28/02/15 09:53 AM
1

Why would you assume I'm talking about any of that?
/r/MensRights28/02/15 06:30 AM
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Then you don't understand evolution. Practicality always wins.
/r/MensRights28/02/15 05:37 AM
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The practicality of having a draft at all is a different argument and a red herring. "You're ignoring rational reality to tout your "true equality" ideology." "I'm ignoring a bit of practicality for the sake of true equality." It's nice to see we mostly agree, but I think I have more important things to do than pick through semantics.
/r/MensRights28/02/15 05:28 AM
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Confirmation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_against_men The box at the top about deletion is the primary issue.
/r/MensRights28/02/15 05:11 AM
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The part at the top where the less developed page on violence about men is scheduled for deletion before it gets to be more developed.
/r/MensRights28/02/15 05:09 AM
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there's no reason an 18 year girl fresh out of high school shouldn't be right on the front lines with an 18 year old boy So you're going to not address the reason I just gave and then say there isn't one? The only thing you said agrees with me. Men are still more sexually disposable than women. Technology has changed war, but it hasn't brought complete gamete and weening equality. A culture can have massive numbers of men die and continue much easier than if massive numbers of women die. This wh…
/r/MensRights28/02/15 05:00 AM
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They are implying they want the rights men have (or just more rights in general) and to not be controlled by an enemy (ISIS) who sees them as objects. That doesn't preclude them from having more rights and privileges than men in their own Kurdish culture. As usual; the rights, privileges, and obligations of men are basically ignored. I'm really not sure why you're trying to argue with me. The OP simply fails to show they are fighting for "true equality". It shows they are fighting for themselves…
/r/MensRights28/02/15 04:38 AM
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Thanks for bringing this up again. I've since sent the email I said I was going to send. I made a point to quote this passage from VAWA: (A) Nondiscrimination No person in the United States shall, on the basis of actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, sex, gender identity (as defined in paragraph 249(c)(4) of title 18, United States Code), sexual orientation, or disability, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under …
/r/MensRights28/02/15 04:26 AM
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I didn't say any of that, so this comment makes no sense. This comment actually reinforces what I just said. By "this post", I meant OP's post if that's the source of confusion.
/r/MensRights28/02/15 03:52 AM
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It's not progress if it's supporting views from 20-60 years ago. "they're too weak and wouldn't be able to handle war and should be protected", and this proves that argument wrong. I've said it before and I'll say it again. People talking about fighting doesn't prove they can fight. Winning fights proves they can fight. This post doesn't show women winning any fights. Also, a much better approach would be: women can pull triggers on a gun just as well as a man, so combat with guns means women ma…
/r/MensRights28/02/15 03:47 AM
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Western culture as it stands says that women have the choice to act like grownups or act like a baby, and that men are obligated to act in response to whatever women pick. Clips about women choosing to fight and stating that their current lifestyle is what they are fighting for does nothing to challenge Western views. This post is propaganda for people in the West to say "Yay! We're better than ISIS!"
/r/MensRights28/02/15 03:19 AM
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I think she's saying that ISIS will do those things if the Peshmerga fail. I also agree that what she's saying sounds like feminist propaganda and that to be relevant to men's rights she'd have to be saying something about feeling obligated to "protecting our freer society".
/r/MensRights28/02/15 03:04 AM
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I'd US feminists would see it as kind of neutral and many would like it. If they were insisting that they be drafted or that the draft of men be ended while volunteering to fight, then it'd break feminist ideology (though I suppose many feminists wouldn't notice that fact). These women are fighting for the freedoms they have that the men surrounding them do not. Of course them are motivated, they have more skin in the game because Kurdistan has done more to privilege and free its women than its …
/r/MensRights28/02/15 02:58 AM
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That would be cool if this post were about everyone deserving an egalitarian culture. This post is about fighting for the rights of women.
/r/MensRights28/02/15 02:48 AM
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It shows these few women are very motivated. What the Pentagon is going to do will be an actual comparison, if they conduct it without bias. Yes, it would be worse if it were mocking men. It would be worse if they were shooting the men, too. That doesn't make it progress or particularly relevant. This is a women's rights and potentially a feminist post. Good for these women. It doesn't belong at the top of /r/mensrights. MRAs don't have an ideology that says women's rights are inherently bad for…
/r/MensRights28/02/15 02:44 AM
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I get your point, but there's a substantial difference between men being conscripted when a significant portion of women are signing up anyway and women being treated as objects, raped, and sold into sex slavery. That's not the dichotomy in question. It compares ISIS women to Kurdish men. It's either ISIS: men die or forced to fight, women die or forced to sexual slavery. Or it's Kurds: men die/imprisoned or forced to fight, women chose to fight or live normal women's lives. It's this ignoring o…
/r/MensRights28/02/15 02:13 AM
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Plenty of other female Kurdish fighters have. Of course they're fighting for their own rights, because if they're captured by ISIS they'll be sold into sex slavery and turned into objects. That's only natural, and they SHOULD be proud of that. But many also say they joined up after having their brothers or husbands get killed in battle. I'm sure many have younger brothers or maybe even sons that they wouldn't want to see dragged away from them, lined up, and executed. In this case men's and wome…
/r/MensRights28/02/15 01:43 AM
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"...to protect their own rights and the rights of all around them." You can read that into it if you'd like, but she didn't say it. In fact, this cuts out a quote that says she's fighting specifically for women, and women the world over, putting them above the men sitting next to her. I'm happy they are fighting, but all this "true equality" is sensational at best. The message of this clip is "girl power" and "don't oppress women". Men are assumed to be oppression-proof, as is typical of feminis…
/r/MensRights28/02/15 01:04 AM
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"...some reason that would make me see why some of my friends liked feminism" Men's rights are emotionally unsettling for many, and children believe what they are told. Those two things together go a long way. I was a male feminist. Feminism is really appealing to men with low self-esteem/self-loathing. It tells them they are the bad guy that they already feel like they are. It also gives them an illusory "carrot on a stick" through theoretical redemption by white knighting. For women, I think t…
/r/MensRights28/02/15 12:14 AM
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I get it and I disagree. Hard to handle, I know. Since you suck at communicating, I'm not going to bother spelling out why. Good day.
/r/MensRights28/02/15 12:00 AM
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Yeah, but they said, "My friends and I are proving that a woman can do whatever a man does."
/r/MensRights27/02/15 11:50 PM
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These women are volunteers who are fighting for their own gain. That's very different from a draft.
/r/MensRights27/02/15 11:45 PM
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This looks like it is just the prerequisite to the feminism seen in the west. They don't talk about societal obligations and are fighting for their own gain. What happens when they get/keep their rights? Will they give up their privileges and pick up responsibilities? Western culture didn't. Once it came time for that to happen, that's when second-wave feminism kicked in, patriarchy "theory" became prominent, and playing victim became a way of life.
/r/MensRights27/02/15 11:43 PM
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There's no evidence in this post that these people want true equality. They want to have/continue to have the rights men have, and to not be objectified. They fight for themselves, and don't speak of societal obligations.
/r/MensRights27/02/15 11:36 PM
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Yes. It is in essence a big improvement except for this conversation. You wouldn't know that's the case based on the name of the law, and that most areas are only served by "women's shelters". Men aren't as likely to try to use a service if they are given the impression that they are intruding or that it simply isn't a service for them. It's like they got rid of the separate "black's only" and "white's only" water fountains in the south and left only "white's only" fountain, and under the "Servi…
/r/MensRights27/02/15 01:49 AM
0

Thanks for posting this. I have a message to send now.
/r/MensRights27/02/15 01:24 AM
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It's the business-as-usual clause. "If sex segregation or sex-specific programming is necessary to the essential operation of a program, nothing in this paragraph shall prevent any such program or activity from consideration of an individual’s sex. In such circumstances, grantees may meet the requirements of this paragraph by providing comparable services to individuals who cannot be provided with the sex-segregated or sex-specific programming." https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/s47/tex…
/r/MensRights27/02/15 01:16 AM
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The Contradiction Act? Where the title of the act violates its contents? A step forward, but missed addressing one of the biggest issues in serving men, letting them know that the community might actually have an interest in serving them. Men won't effectively use services if they are discriminated against in marketing of said services.
/r/MensRights27/02/15 01:12 AM
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I've tried emailing a Women's Resource Center that they consider changing their name and actually market their services for men. I would have used them at one point had I known they existed. They never responded. I might get to volunteer or start something in the future, but it's not possible for me to do anything other than find a place where I might donate right now.
/r/MensRights27/02/15 12:54 AM
1

Ok, thank you.
/r/MensRights26/02/15 11:45 PM
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If you haven't stumbled into it yet, we like to call that the "empathy gap". It's quick, works inside the existing lexicon, and makes a good analogy to things like the "lifetime earnings gap" (wage gap is a misnomer). It's similar to pointing out the "glass cellar" that also exists besides the "glass ceiling".
/r/MensRights26/02/15 09:19 PM
1

I haven't been commenting much the last two months or so. When did people start questioning this, and is there data on the sidebar? I thought this was one of the obvious MRA issues. /u/nicemod /u/sillymod Can this article be added to the sidebar? Perhaps on the Round-up or as an "interesting discussion" topic? Also, maybe a link to AVoiceforMaleStudents? There's also this: http://ftp.iza.org/dp5973.pdf
/r/MensRights26/02/15 09:14 PM
6

Haven't you heard? Male nature is inherently oppressive and creates the patriarchy.
/r/MensRights26/02/15 09:06 PM
2

...and that can compound in that once teachers become this nonsensical, students catch on and start willingly getting in trouble and getting into the habit of conflicting with authority. Some anti-authority sentiment is necessary, but once it's habit that's just as bad as following blindly.
/r/MensRights26/02/15 09:03 PM
1

Getting him into an individual-type sport that he has interest in and can practice in the morning may also help.
/r/MensRights26/02/15 08:58 PM
1

Hey, that's my cohort! :(
/r/MensRights26/02/15 08:50 PM
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I've seen them in academics and they are intolerable. Well, they don't complain about the lack of women so much as the lack of women in <position>, where they are unabashedly wanting to be employed whether they have earned it or not. There's also a bit of talk about how hard it is in their support programs that advertise to and are centered around them, despite simultaneously demonstrating that they are in fact better supported. I guess it takes feminism to attempt to validate a program that inv…
/r/MensRights26/02/15 06:43 AM
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This along with contacting the media. Something like Washington Examiner would be a good pick. http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/author/ashe-schow
/r/MensRights26/02/15 06:27 AM
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A court can't set a precedent without a trial. The ones holding the gun would have to first bring charges to court. That doesn't happen if they are (more typically) shamed to irrelevance without the need. Governments seem to currently love giving women weapons that they are luckily for the most part reluctant to use.
/r/MensRights26/02/15 06:20 AM
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It's more of a massacre when only one side is fighting. The future, I would say, actually doesn't look bad because there has finally been some sign of resistance lately. Feminism has also seems to have peaked in the english-speaking world in the mid 90s.
/r/MensRights26/02/15 06:05 AM
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Firing of the gun would prove it exists, but it may still exist having not yet been fired.
/r/MensRights26/02/15 06:00 AM
2

Indeed, we wouldn't want to recognize that men are meeting what is being demanded of only them. It might go to their heads and feed their giant male egos!
/r/MensRights26/02/15 05:55 AM
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I guess I'm just trying to say that reddit's setup may make any board that permits negative views of a topic into a circle-jerk whether the mods suck or not.
/r/MGTOW26/02/15 03:31 AM
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I agree that it does as well, and hadn't looked at it before either. I think OP is right in calling it out. I was just commenting on why I have no issue with posts about women being here, even though I rarely look at them in depth or comment. On the posts as opposed to the sidebar: Some of it just comes down to the numbers, and what amount of relative content can be expected to a MGTOW who is past depestalization. All men here would agree that having your life not be about being a utility to wom…
/r/MGTOW26/02/15 03:14 AM
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Is the relationship stopping you from putting your own resources into your interests? Are sacrifices for each other's gain going both ways? From your comment: "She wants to cut down to part time and go to school full time, leaving me with more financial responsibilities." If you accept anyone other than a child's financial responsibilities long term, you should get some sort of contract for remuneration in return. You can cite something like this http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/04/science/study-i…
/r/MGTOW26/02/15 02:35 AM
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I look at most of the airing of grievances about women as 1) the process of depestalization for new MGTOW, in that they actively express their discontent after ages of dealing with it internally 2) a probe into whether the community is in fact MGTOW. If society is already airing the same grievances, then this community isn't going a different way. Since those two things are going to happen a lot, I just look at it as background noise that's more important as a topic of discussion to other MGTOW …
/r/MGTOW26/02/15 01:51 AM
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It's also about who sticks around. NPR is an interesting case study. It is rather grass-roots styled organization, and one would expect less bias since it draws funding from what should be a large, diverse group. However, religious conservatives represent a large group and a large portion of conservatives. Through religious objections to unbiased reporting on variety of scientific issues, an exodus of and lack of funding from that subset occurred, and a relative dearth in conservative contributi…
/r/MGTOW26/02/15 01:41 AM
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Great comment. I wanted to let you know with something other than a single upvote.
/r/MGTOW26/02/15 01:20 AM
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Learn to recognize emotional language and actions in others, so that cues that would set you off emotionally can be intercepted and countered logically. It probably falls under an aspect of mindfulness. Think about where you've responded emotionally or felt emotional in the past, and then as specifically as possible about what preceded it. Remember the trigger and recognize it in the future, and use memories of problems the emotion caused for you in the past and incentive to work past emotional …
/r/MGTOW26/02/15 12:58 AM
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Forbes seems to think Chinese women have no issues gaining access to money: http://www.forbes.com/2009/08/05/china-women-marketing-leadership-managing-retail.html The problem is this "In essence, women are expected to count on the dutifulness or chivalry of male relatives." from the Guardian article. The large amount of non-MGTOW in the west have demonstrated that is a reliable source for women to count on, as does the spending power of women in China. Sexual equality under the law can't create …
/r/MGTOW26/02/15 12:35 AM
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The elementary teachers who do this scare me more than the profs., though I suppose some of those teachers learned it from a prof.
/r/MensRights23/02/15 04:50 AM
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It's also why, as much as I hate far right pundits, feminazi isn't that bad of a term. Nazism wasn't all that different in it's scapegoating and attacking of the Jews. Why has feminism been less obviously and outright horrible as the Nazis or Jihads? It's not the ideology, that's just as bad. It's that it is fighting an inherently harder battle. It's not attacking a small minority, but half the population (at least on a local scale, since sexes are fairly evenly spread and cultures/races/religio…
/r/MensRights23/02/15 04:49 AM
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Well... at least it's not in an elementary school? Hard to be an optimist on this one.
/r/MensRights23/02/15 04:40 AM
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Laughter would also be an option.
/r/MGTOW23/02/15 04:10 AM
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It's partly human nature. Basically every group only has a small portion of people doing anything more than watching. Having them not do the wrong thing or being able to go to a place where they can talk without being hated is still important and many of the threads serve as an emotional outlet in that sense. Also, presuming the group is mostly men, you're fighting biology there. Men are not typically inclined to spend their time and money on other men, and that's part of the appeal of MGTOW/goi…
/r/MensRights19/02/15 05:00 AM
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You are aware these two things are not mutually exclusive? I agree about the changing style in jobs, but I'll get back to you on the rest after I read your article.
/r/MensRights18/02/15 03:15 AM
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There's a honeybadger radio episode on it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jtilB-TnPM This defines 4 types: http://www.mgmbill.org/mgmfactsheet.pdf Here's an academic article that goes over MGM in a lot of detail: http://www.anth.uconn.edu/degree_programs/ecolevo/mgmarticle.pdf
/r/MensRights15/02/15 09:13 PM
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A way to boil a lot of this down is an analogy to religion. Feminism picked up a lot of poorly evidenced ideology in the 70s-90s that among being easily falsified, also stands in the way of men's rights. Easily falsified rational for moral positions are also common with religions. So when an atheist, or even a Hindu or Muslim, hears some right-wing politician say that America needs moral values and therefore needs the Christian God; it doesn't sit well. There are places where the religions or no…
/r/MensRights15/02/15 08:57 PM
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It is not directly comparable to female genital mutilaton as it is less extreme Keep reading, it's not that simple. There are several procedures of varying severity for both sexes and at different ages that fall under "circumcision".
/r/MensRights15/02/15 08:45 PM
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I agree with all the posts about suing, but on the bright side: you've missed out on a lot of shitty relationships with people who will believe whatever they read on the internet.
/r/MensRights15/02/15 08:39 PM
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It's amazing what people will do to someone whom they have mentally dehumanized.
/r/MGTOW13/02/15 09:25 PM
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Feminist hypocrisy has been exposed all along. The internet has changed who gets to talk and that has made a difference (that has been big in the two cases you cited), but there's also just a huge difference in who is willing to listen. That is largely due to women gradually taking more responsibility and legal power and finding out men's issues are real issues. It's one of the ways in which feminism actually has helped men, whether it was intended or not. The men's rights movement is ~50 years …
/r/MensRights13/02/15 09:24 PM
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That sounds great, but there are no mechanisms by which the change actually happens. The only thing that has worked is to force women to start being empathetic by putting some women in a man's place. The over reach already happened when it was placed on men. The only successful way I've seen of rolling it back is to first make it applied to both sexes, and then have women freak out about it. That's already working for alimony. What other option do you suggest that will actually yield results? Me…
/r/MensRights13/02/15 08:48 PM
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Pretty sure it's the thing from Argentina a couple years ago. This: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOCD_T9Qqpc
/r/MGTOW13/02/15 04:08 PM
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Most of the policies are technically sex neutral and you just won't be believed if you report it. Film it and prosecute.
/r/MensRights13/02/15 04:05 PM
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I'm aware of all those things, but also see them as specific to a certain set of other cultural norms. I suspect that efficient outcomes could be met without a typical family unit, and simultaneously with different social norms present that result in a child's desires for basic necessities, attention, stability, role models, education, opportunity, etc. being met. Technology has broken up a primary driver for nuclear family as a social unit, so I think we have to carefully look at what needs it …
/r/MGTOW13/02/15 02:09 AM
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Those are specific actions a MGTOW might not like that often go with single motherhood, and certain societal aspects that may encourage single motherhood at a man's expense. That is different from single motherhood itself being a problem. Also, advocacy isn't a part of MGTOW though it's also not prevented by it. MGTOW is walking away from certain unfairly destructive social norms and obligations, rather than going the way of society.
/r/MGTOW13/02/15 01:48 AM
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"We advocate against single mother" We do?
/r/MGTOW13/02/15 01:26 AM
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I think it'll always be an issue simply because pregnancy is the economic driver of human sex differences. Thanks for the numbers those though for anyone looking for a current practical option.
/r/MGTOW13/02/15 01:25 AM
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The bigger question is what "well-adjusted" means. What could be a great learned behavior to have in one vision of the future could be horrible in another. To me that is the hardest part about raising children. Your child's problems will likely look different than yours (in the current world), and it's easy to want to teach them to solve your problems instead of what they might face. That said, it's very possible a child might do fine without a mother as long as there is some strong feminine inf…
/r/MGTOW13/02/15 01:22 AM
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Are you saying that women intentionally dress to flaunt sex appeal the majority of the time? That's an unknown, particularly in the case of whether it is a majority or not. There aren't mind reading technologies, but given what people say about their intentions (if they aren't lying) it is probably a mix depending on the woman in question. I give women credit as to think some would be aware of what men like and decide to use that information. Also, some of those some openly say that's what they …
/r/MensRights13/02/15 01:05 AM
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Assuming you mean the latter, women's fashion relies on the female form, as I'm sure you're aware. So you agree that sex appeal plays a role? Or are you under the impression that accentuating and flaunting the female form isn't a subconscious biological distraction to most men and some women? Much as I'd love to wear baggy clothes like dudes have the pleasure of, It's not like there are fashion police stopping a woman in sweat pants, and it's not like men are less appealing in them as well. If y…
/r/MensRights12/02/15 11:30 PM
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"they're comfortable and more fashionable than sweatpants and a hoodie." ...but why? It's undoubtedly the attention they garner. When worn without anything else covering the ass, they don't generally make the person look any more "classy" than sweatpants, but they do make them look more sexy. Comfortable or not, women frequently wear things like this to get men's attention, and you're lying if you won't admit that. "...unless I'm missing something..." Yes, the part where I said "They're free to …
/r/MensRights12/02/15 10:59 PM
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They're free to do it, but I just think it's rude. It's like walking around shouting "look at me" everywhere you go. It's like a bright lime green car with extra loud exhaust, even to the point that in some cases it can be a good thing while in others it just makes the person look silly. I wouldn't mind if places that shouting is considered unacceptable also had a dress code that made things like yoga pants also unacceptable. I'm OK with there being places where things like letting people concen…
/r/MensRights12/02/15 09:31 PM
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Yep, it's been at least 25 years.
/r/MensRights12/02/15 09:10 PM
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Yes, if I was able to provide for it.
/r/MGTOW12/02/15 04:09 AM
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No reason to give any credit to a non-evidenced ideology. There's no reason to mention God when explaining speciation, for example. Have you ever seen Sam Harris's talk on why the non-religious should avoid using atheist as a label? I think the mentality he describes also fits for men's rights and approaching feminism as little as possible, though I also agree that it is hard to avoid and find myself frequently mocking it to vent.
/r/MensRights11/02/15 10:49 PM
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It probably wouldn't work. It doesn't work to shame people if they don't carry a biological and cultural predisposition of listening to it. A boycott would probably be better.
/r/MensRights11/02/15 09:20 PM
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I'd think it'd be weight and muscle mass. Penis size, breast size, height, etc. would fall into more of genetic than workout/lifestyle. Also, women's standards of weight are more unhealthy than men's preference. Men's idea of a lot of muscle often goes beyond women's preference and both can result in unhealthy behaviors and standards.
/r/MensRights11/02/15 09:20 PM
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I'm more left than right (mostly viciously independent) and see no issue with this post. Hyperbole is fun.
/r/MensRights11/02/15 08:34 PM
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Says the person who is intentionally misreading terms I defined in my usage, is re-analyzing songs with with of the same purpose in the same way I already did and reaching a different conclusion because of the sex of the singer, and is mentally stressed about it to still be going on about it the next day. I had moved on. Talking to close-minded people is a waste of time.
/r/MensRights10/02/15 08:56 PM
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This is a pretty cool concept. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance
/r/MensRights10/02/15 08:44 PM
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If you can't figure out why they are there, there's no point in continuing this. Good day.
/r/MensRights10/02/15 06:39 AM
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"Tonight I'm a give it To you harder Tonight I'm a turn Your body out Relax Let me do it How I wanna If you got it I need it And I'm a put it down Buckle up I'm a give it to you Stronger Hands up We can go a little Longer Tonight I'm a get a little Crazy Get a little crazy Baby Do you like it boy? I wa-wa-want What you wa-wa-want Give it to me baby Like boom, boom, boom What I wa-wa-want Is what you wa-wa-want Na, na Ah, ah" "Oh and I'm craving, I'm howling, I'm begging, I'm pleading You're mine…
/r/MensRights10/02/15 06:13 AM
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http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/rihanna/rudeboy.html http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/imogenheap/comehereboy.html http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/littlemix/move.html http://www.metrolyrics.com/come-and-get-me-lyrics-britney-spears.html This is too easy.
/r/MensRights10/02/15 05:36 AM
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Jeez. I'll take a creationist over this paranoid shit any day.
/r/MensRights10/02/15 05:31 AM
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Good God it's hard to get a real explanation from anyone around here.
/r/MensRights10/02/15 05:28 AM
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"The fact that we never hear from the woman (this drama could've been avoided with a featured female artist)" This is kind of a moot point. He wanted to capture a guy's thoughts, and I'll let the art stand at that. I have no desire for changes to suit an ideological interpretation. I take the lyrics at face value. The song is overwhelming about relationships and fidelity, and "Blurred Lines" is the title. It may also refer to drunkeness as a double-entendre at the point you quote, but it's obvio…
/r/MensRights10/02/15 01:24 AM
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The blurred lines are the blurred lines of monogamy, in that he just referred to a relationship and then does again immediately after. The decision is hers whether she wishes to cheat with him, and he's just aware she is making the decision. She want's to cheat with him, but also to be a "good girl" and not cheat. He's mocking her situation from a typically female position of privilege. It is taboo for a man to reverse the standard dating protocol, and I agree that the person doing more of the w…
/r/MensRights09/02/15 11:37 PM
1

Any rational non-feminist model of interaction would have a man in charge meaning things are worse for men because of same-sex competition. This is one way in which feminism backhandedly helps men by getting women into office. Though since women tend to have a higher in-group bias than men, they'll likely not suffer as much from women in power as men do from men in power.
/r/MensRights09/02/15 10:45 PM
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Is one of the other accounts known to be hers as well, or is she just openly baiting? If it's baiting then the title of this post is misleading.
/r/MensRights09/02/15 10:34 PM
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All of them basically. The song is a guy saying "I'm sexy, work for me." and taking the object position and putting the woman in the position of acting. It's written on the assumption that women can have agency. To call that misogynistic is to say the patriarchy was inherently misandric and reverse all of feminist theory, though I prefer throwing it out to reversing it anyway.
/r/MensRights09/02/15 10:25 PM
1

The lyrics.
/r/MensRights09/02/15 07:44 PM
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All Blurred Lines did was flip the courtship roles. If anything it was really progressive. I'm lost on how it could be considered misogynistic at all. A little bit of catcalling is more than that.
/r/MensRights09/02/15 07:27 PM
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It's got more to go on than Blurred Lines did, but outrage and content seem to be infrequently correlated in certain communities. IMO there's probably more enforcement of traditional social norms (some would call that misogyny) in pop women's work than men's work.
/r/MensRights09/02/15 06:48 PM
1

Semantics.
/r/MensRights09/02/15 05:37 AM
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Thank you for the information about Frozen, but it doesn’t really matter to me. I have little interest in the film. My comments weren’t about Frozen in particular, and I was just using those two tropes as an example. I just object to the oversimplified “blank doesn’t cause blank” arguments because it is simplified to the point of being wrong. I’m bothered by wrong ideas.
/r/MensRights08/02/15 06:19 AM
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It's not quite as simple as "video games don't cause ___" Have you read over the studies that have been done since the issue arose? The issue is that these things existing in cultures and being unscrutinized by surrounding adults can reinforce views, particularly in children. It's the bystander effect. Also, I'm not for censoring anything, but I also think that criticizing something as having a negative message is important if the idea of the thing being bad isn't written into the media. IMO it'…
/r/MensRights08/02/15 05:05 AM
3

Bruno Mars's Uptown Funk features catcalling.
/r/MensRights08/02/15 04:53 AM
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Not all of them will agree on any given topic. I think some must disagree on just about every topic, and yet they keep being feminists...
/r/MensRights02/02/15 06:58 PM
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Yeah, I'd imagine the word "think" repels you.
/r/MensRights02/02/15 03:58 AM
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It's more a matter of her returning the favor if she's motherhood material. We're questioning whether sex is better than porn here.
/r/MensRights02/02/15 03:52 AM
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"Last time I looked, the sex ratios were close to 50/50. Point being, the women don't really have to deal with uninterested males." This is contradictory. If men are having to display all the interest, then clearly the 50/50 ratio isn't the whole story. As you say, women will gladly separate their sperm source from their support source given the option. They currently have that option and a man jacking off to porn isn't going to change that. Fathers are already 100 percent optional. Children bel…
/r/MensRights02/02/15 03:22 AM
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Those views came from my teachers, media, and religion, combined with lack of access to male role models and support systems to overcome abuse from family and all of the above. Teachers, media, and religion delivered the message. Many things contributed to self-esteem and an image of men low enough to believe it. When you are a kid you believe what you are told, particularly if it's by force.
/r/MensRights02/02/15 03:14 AM
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So does that mean you also have an issue with telling half of them they are destined to be rapists without constant and careful control before they even know what sex is? That seems like an easy thing to fix before trying to ban porn. Also, where were all the people saying shit needs to be banned when women don't put out. I've had no problem just leaving the relationship when that happens. If the woman wants it more than the man, she can work harder or go elsewhere. Porn is not all that great, i…
/r/MensRights01/02/15 10:55 PM
1

There's also a negative correlation between increases in social welfare and discriminatory bias toward women in the workplace and marriage rates of young women. Are you going to ban those?
/r/MensRights01/02/15 10:33 PM
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I agree. If anything this should help men more than women. It will encourage the healthcare provider to keep track of follow-ups, etc. that men are more reluctant to do. It'll also disincentivize the system from becoming bogged down with low-reward, high-volume services that women are more likely to demand.
/r/MensRights27/01/15 07:58 PM
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If this works the way I understand, it should be good for men. Men tend to downplay injury and treatment, and be less likely to be proactive about it. This should encourage the health industry to "badger" them to some extent, and ensure that the treatment is successful. Women tend to use services in greater volume.
/r/MensRights27/01/15 07:56 PM
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Hahaha! Kind of like those studies that want to find control groups for people who have never watched porn.
/r/MensRights27/01/15 07:50 PM
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Tread lightly, but carry a big stick. Be ready to smack them hard with information when they try to move the goalposts or lie. If they are bad enough, then a smack from litigation (Title IX, perhaps?) is next. I recommend getting familiar with /u/jonathan_taylor at a voice for male students and his work. Victor Zen (Sage Gerard) is also a trailblazer in what you are doing.
/r/MensRights27/01/15 12:26 AM
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TIL: I don't have male privilege.
/r/MensRights26/01/15 09:22 PM
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I give it credit for not being too wordy.
/r/MensRights26/01/15 08:37 AM
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Thanks, feminists. You engendered this post, and now I know about the book.
/r/MensRights26/01/15 07:39 AM
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Men and women are equal, except when women are better. Fresh ideas from WSJ.
/r/MensRights25/01/15 03:28 AM
1

Hmm... Names and pictures make doing this tricky, don't they? I still like it and good work so far!
/r/MensRights25/01/15 01:12 AM
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So one state with a small population doesn't? That's hardly relevant.
/r/MensRights25/01/15 12:21 AM
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It's promoting violence with innuendo.
/r/MensRights24/01/15 03:45 AM
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Selection bias is a known form of dishonesty.
/r/MensRights23/01/15 11:26 PM
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OP, you need to relate this to healthcare or people are not going to get it. That's where the double-standard lies.
/r/MensRights23/01/15 11:19 PM
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It's because owning a car in the US is "voluntary", while it is illegal in healthcare because existing as a certain sex is (sort of) not voluntary. Reality, almost everyone finds it impractical not to drive, and doesn't want to solve insurance issues by changing their sex or killing themselves.
/r/MensRights23/01/15 11:17 PM
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If you don't base it off of the median, then the huge income disparities that are a somewhat separate issue would likely dominate the data.
/r/MensRights23/01/15 11:12 PM
2

Arguably, you could force men to take off work for the same amount of time as women would for family and with whatever benefits women are getting. That sounds like a sweet deal for men and would cause (at least) lower short-term productivity, so I don't see it happening.
/r/MensRights23/01/15 11:10 PM
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I think sometimes it is. It's not always the dad making the decision. From what I understand: -religion -look like dad/look normal -believes cleaning the baby will be easier -doctors and hospital just acted like it was the normal thing to do, and insurance covered it. -weirded out by little boys touching themselves -less common myths about disease
/r/MensRights19/01/15 06:31 AM
4

Sore* Unless I'm wrong and you are able to fly from masturbating. If you've figured out how to do that, then you need to tell me.
/r/MensRights19/01/15 06:27 AM
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...and teaching boys not to rape. That shit is so fucked up.
/r/MensRights12/01/15 05:18 AM
1

What an awful title for an interesting topic. The video shows that semi-nice is only certain to win if there are a lot of trials, aka last. radiolab is better: http://www.radiolab.org/story/104010-one-good-deed-deserves-another/
/r/MGTOW12/01/15 04:29 AM
1

I think someone has a crush on nicemod.
/r/MensRights09/01/15 05:19 AM
1

...and outside of the prevalence, the weapon thing is important because it neutralizes the sex difference behind the one-way "men shouldn't hit women" standard.
/r/MensRights06/01/15 10:46 PM
4

From the sidebar. His summary seemed pretty realistic from what I've read, but it's hard to know certain numbers. http://np.reddit.com/r/mensrightslinks/comments/y0mnx/dvipc_summary/
/r/MensRights06/01/15 08:44 AM
1

...or traditional brainwashing. You can't tell them apart in this instance.
/r/MensRights06/01/15 08:40 AM
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Traditional cultures needed that standard for success, and feminism when it came only fixed traditional gender roles for women. Feminism was just a continuation of traditionalism that got out-of-control when technology changed underneath it.
/r/MensRights06/01/15 08:39 AM
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That's when they whine the most. Just look how they handle the nice guys/white knights they've created. Of course, the white knights are the ones who have listened, and a whiner needs an audience to have power.
/r/MensRights06/01/15 08:36 AM
5

Facebook back when it was more barebones about 7-9 years ago was a great auto-updating address book. It has kind of lost that quality now.
/r/MGTOW05/01/15 11:50 PM
1

This post doesn't directly say it anywhere yet, but it always needs to be made when it comes to this type of thing. The existences of a draft and whether it be sexist are two different arguments. Conflate the two, and you won't like the course of the conversation.
/r/MensRights04/01/15 09:59 PM
2

My aims are a small house/yurt/etc., with space for a green house and some gardens on fruit trees. Maybe a garage or work shed of some sort as well. So yeah, I don't see myself needing to work tons.
/r/MGTOW04/01/15 10:34 AM
1

I don't think there is any easy solution. You'll have to explain any reservations you have about marriage as it currently stands to any partner, and maybe ask them what they would think in your situation. Maybe you could draw up some contract of your own, that you find is fair. Maybe you would find you don't need one. I've already stated that the best solution I can think of is to be sure any contract is fair, and that will prevent any incentive for either partner breaking the deal. Good luck, t…
/r/MensRights03/01/15 01:35 AM
1

"I don't necessarily think being a different person will mean you want out of a relationship, you wouldn't suddenly hate your toaster or your cat, or your best friend that you've known since forever, so I don't think it's a done deal that you'll hate your wife." I don't think it'll necessarily happen either, but I think it'll happen enough that it has to be dealt with because the issue of shared assets and the cost of shared time upon a break-up is a real one. The chance of people growing apart …
/r/MensRights02/01/15 11:40 PM
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It's pretty similar to how women fat and fashion shame each other. They know what men like in general, and use that when they communicate with people in general in such a was as to show other women as unfit. When men (and as far as I can tell it is mostly men) talk about alpha/beta, it's because they know how women in general pick mates, and how to use that to compete with other men when they communicate. You can not like it, but as longer as there are general trends in what the sexes find attra…
/r/MensRights02/01/15 11:02 PM
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I'm not sure what exactly you want stats about, but as far as your "I wouldn't leave", I have this: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/04/science/study-in-science-shows-end-of-history-illusion.html?_r=0 Marriage represents a lot of aspects of culture, as many problems can be solved by tying together the two sexes of the species. Since forms of insurance tend to be beneficial on a social scale, it's not really surprising that it would be included as an aspect. Marriage being a "done thing" and acting…
/r/MensRights02/01/15 10:54 PM
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That's basically abolishing marriage. What's the point if people aren't going to share, specialize, and purchase mutual goods as a part of the relationship? People just need to stop signing stupid contracts, and society as a whole needs to stop encouraging them until they are more practical in modern terms.
/r/MensRights02/01/15 08:49 PM
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I don't think discussing your individual character is that useful when history as well as large data sets are available. Also, just because you don't want relationship insurance (which is basically what a marriage is), that doesn't mean others won't want it.
/r/MensRights02/01/15 08:45 PM
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You're contradicting yourself and straw manning me. I never said "life time" for one. I think lifetime is too long since people live so long. There are clear innate advantages to marriage otherwise, and you're in denial if you don't think so. It can be drawn logically and observed experimentally. So you think business contracts are immoral? What about tax incentives to ensure businesses for the public good are accomplished, or punishments if they are not? What would you think if your power and w…
/r/MensRights02/01/15 08:34 PM
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That's hard to know. Part of why men are so disincentivized is that the double standard makes trusting a woman as a man very difficult. What you are saying is only certain if there are no innate incentives to marriage, and being able to specialize and share because you have someone you can trust are huge benefits. Part of what already makes divorce a lose-lose is that the benefits of sharing disappear. It's a fallacy that's be used to say that because women (or stay-at-home partners in gender un…
/r/MensRights02/01/15 05:27 AM
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It's a good thing a Baroness lawyer said it instead of David Cameron.
/r/MensRights02/01/15 04:02 AM
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It depends on what the culture thinks is the purpose for marriage. A stiff penalty for leaving encourages people to try to stick with the marriage and fix small problems. When times are good, they may both be more specialized/efficient because the marriage allows them to place greater trust in the other person. If it becomes to easy to leave, it also becomes more difficult to place a lot of trust on one's partner. Then some cultures like to assume children are a part of marriage, and that furthe…
/r/MensRights02/01/15 03:57 AM
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There's a huge amount of discrimination in academic marketing and access, particularly in STEM. In the US, a lot of stuff like mentoring programs are women only, but then the events they hold are unisex but only marketed to women. It's really hard to navigate when you are unwelcome and makes it easy to give up on it, even though things like 1:1 mentoring can have a huge impact on success in graduate school and career course. I don't have good news, but will wish you good luck.
/r/MensRights01/01/15 05:46 AM
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It probably has to do with sticking wood in all sorts of places.
/r/MensRights01/01/15 05:32 AM
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I prefer "pro-death". By that, I mean that the societal assumption is that sex will not produce a child unless both partners have formally expressed a desire create a child before sex, or before the end of the first trimester at latest. I also call it "opt-in parenthood" as opposed to giving each sex an ability to opt-out from a pro-life position. In a sense it is pro-choice, but the choice is made as a couple and before the complication of the woman's body being tied to the outcome. Contracepti…
/r/MensRights01/01/15 12:52 AM
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It can also affect testosterone levels. Since it is a wider and more intimidating stance, apparently it has a feedback to the brain, just like how forcing yourself to smile can make you feel happier. http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2032113,00.html Men need to have enough testosterone to be healthy. However, I guess they may accidentally come off as intimidating in the process.
/r/MensRights31/12/14 08:30 PM
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Because feminism is has a lot of focus on women-centric inclusivity. In feminism, what you are is typically more important than what you think. Therefore, it can contain people who think helping men is good for women, people who think taking from men is good for women, and people (Emma Watson) who can't distinguish the differences between those stances. She's a famous woman who said she's a feminist, so it doesn't matter that she contradicts herself.
/r/MensRights31/12/14 04:52 AM
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Well HeforShe was supposed to be a global initiative, so they haven't really given up. They just continue to not understand why change doesn't happen according to the way they say it should happen. They have trouble figuring out they are using a false model. There's not a lot rich women are willing to do on their own for women in other parts of the world. They'll instead ask men in their own countries to do something. More and more, it seems those men have stopped listening, and there are probab…
/r/MensRights31/12/14 02:16 AM
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Basically all of steampunk culture seems to be patriarchy erotica in my experience.
/r/MGTOW31/12/14 01:56 AM
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Maybe just a sustainable living hobbyist group that you advertise in MGTOW outlets. A lot of MGTOW are interested in how to live efficiently so that they decrease dependence on society at large.
/r/MGTOW31/12/14 01:54 AM
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Sounds like you're hoping one will find your virgin male ass.
/r/MGTOW31/12/14 01:50 AM
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I don't think it was about a convention. Just more about creating a social outlet without having to join in with the crap the rest of society tries to shove down your throat.
/r/MGTOW31/12/14 01:49 AM
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https://www.thecalmzone.net/2014/07/mandictionary/ I have no affiliation.
/r/MensRights30/12/14 11:48 PM
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"Keep men alive by talking." is a good point, and goes well with "Keep men talking by listening."
/r/MensRights30/12/14 11:44 PM
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Hurting feminism does help a lot of men. It is also good to start focusing on putting other things than traditionalism in its place.
/r/MensRights30/12/14 11:41 PM
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It's even worse to teach boys (prepubescent) not to rape. They aren't even developed enough to truly understand what sex, sexual feelings, etc. are. They also only have a limited view of what men, that they are going to become are. All it is going to do is confuse them, isolate them, and give them psychological disorders in which they fear and hate themselves. I honestly think it's a crime against humanity when done by force in a school setting.
/r/MensRights30/12/14 11:22 PM
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If it's officials are composed of the same sex as you, that's when you should be worried if you are going to. That's your competition.
/r/MensRights30/12/14 10:08 PM
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I don't care. I just wanted people to find what each other has said.
/r/MensRights30/12/14 09:12 PM
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http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/2qontx/what_its_like_being_a_shy_male_geek_in_a_feminist/
/r/MensRights30/12/14 03:26 AM
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If women want to do something for men, they can. They can organize and fund it. If women aren't interested in it, then it won't be funded. I'm not giving my money to make them look good. I'm already giving money to this man and the things he finds important.
/r/MGTOW30/12/14 02:17 AM
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I would think by its own name that it doesn't.
/r/MGTOW30/12/14 02:11 AM
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Thank you. These types of lectures are must watch IMO, and it never hurts to watch the most recent.
/r/MensRights30/12/14 01:24 AM
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Well, the two are separate problems. The civil case would be stronger if there was a record of the problem from the criminal justice system, no?
/r/MensRights29/12/14 09:24 PM
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It resonated with me perfectly. I think the rest of a boy's environment plays a big role in such neuroses. I didn't have any supportive regions of my life to help build the confidence to say "fuck you" to these messages. In wanting a place to belong, I felt obligated to accept them. Demonization of male sexuality (as a subset of all sexuality) is also a part of many contemporary religions, so it's possible a boy never encounters a positive view of his sexuality.
/r/MensRights29/12/14 08:48 PM
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If you care about semantics, then I recommend avoiding feminism. You'll get a different definition from each person and no one who admits that is a problem.
/r/MensRights29/12/14 06:48 PM
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I agree. Policies can't change human nature or rely on changes to it. They can only make offerings that account for it in a way that seems "fair". That's done by establishing and protecting rights.
/r/MensRights29/12/14 06:46 PM
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No, it doesn't. Women need men like a fish needs a bicycle.
/r/MensRights24/12/14 12:48 AM
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It bothered the shit out of me when I was nearing 18. No one would hear me talk about it until I came here. Parents, friends, teachers... "Just sign it"
/r/MensRights24/12/14 12:38 AM
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Also just plain old mate competition. Unless you're a feminist, and think the sexes are competitive instead of cooperative.
/r/MensRights23/12/14 05:47 AM
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Well, with the recent uptick in MGTOW/men on strike behavior and the coining of "gynocentrism", the manosphere/men's rights community/whatever is currently entering second wave and echoing the feminist movement. I'd like to hope the community at large doesn't adopt views that are wrong like second wave feminists, but maybe it's an inevitable part of how humans act. I guess we'll find out. I'm fine with fighting the good fight to keep things realistic, but I don't know if I really expect to win t…
/r/MensRights21/12/14 11:42 PM
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Not this time. It's an organizational thing for this sub, and might be why your post was deleted.
/r/MensRights21/12/14 03:40 PM
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Did you have flair? You don't on this post.
/r/MensRights21/12/14 02:34 PM
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I find the ones who fight the hardest are the ones struggling with the ideas, and the ones to change given enough time (others don't care enough to be informed in a way that would change them). They have to do it on their own, though. All you can do is communicate you perspective and information as conversationally as possible. If you can't do that, I say don't engage her. Also, take basic steps to cover your ass either way. Should you try to talk, you have to approach it from the mindset that s…
/r/MensRights21/12/14 02:29 PM
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It depends on the feminist. The word is a poor descriptor. It's about as bad as asking if salads are nutritious when including pasta, fruit, chicken, potato, etc. in with the typical lettuce salad.
/r/MensRights21/12/14 02:24 PM
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"I have heard of no evidence that the trauma is any more severe than any other single incidence pain trauma. That is, it makes no sense to me that this would be a special case with long lasting consequences. This always struck me as a weak argument. The belief that people suffer long lasting psychological damage from things like these is very Fruedonian...and not part of modern psychology. I find this a bad argument." I'd think it's more a case of for neurobiology than psychology. I don't think …
/r/MensRights21/12/14 01:29 PM
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I think their is too much unknown about the infant brain to know what effect the trauma has, and that in practice there are a lot more problems than any small benefits warrant (mostly because of how it is tied to religion and unsafe practices that religion can perpetuate). I think that the little data we have would indicate not leaving the null hypothesis, and to leave the foreskin alone unless a more significant rational reason comes along. Banning FGM hasn't seemed to hurt women. I have no pro…
/r/MensRights21/12/14 12:22 PM
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They have to take a cheap shot at men to give a PSA that applies to everyone. If their going to go the root of sexism, they could at least bring up the "femin-nation" of territory covered by bags.
/r/MensRights21/12/14 12:06 PM
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Janet is a conservative MRA. Not really my flavor of MRA, but she's been picked up by AVFM and has gained more of a voice than just the blog she contributes (judgybitch). She had a debate with a non-academic egalitarian feminist on the drunken peasants/amazing atheist youtube channel and IMO performed poorly. That's a place you can go if you want to see more of what she's about. As for the rest of your post, I'm OK with some of the victim olympics for a few reasons, and just think it's important…
/r/MensRights21/12/14 11:57 AM
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gay4jesus though. He's kind, attractive face, ripped, has a good relationship with his mother, connections in high places, alpha level control of the men around him, and is capable of providing provisions with ease. He knew how to bring the life to a party, too. What more could you want? More seriously, I completely agree with you being a recovering indoctrinated dude.
/r/MensRights21/12/14 11:40 AM
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More like FluffPo. :-)
/r/MensRights21/12/14 11:33 AM
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Korean Air in my experience was also male-friendly in having slightly more of the too little leg room that all planes have. Happy to see they're in green.
/r/MensRights21/12/14 11:29 AM
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They're not offended, they're jealous.
/r/MensRights20/12/14 05:20 AM
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Yep. The MRM should strive to be honest. Being welcoming just gets you to cater to fools.
/r/MensRights20/12/14 05:18 AM
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Well I think that would still decide it. If she's going to hide that information from use as a father than she's not worth staying with as a mother. Leave her and demand a paternity test if she comes asking for child support later. I'd still prefer to put it on her to reveal that she is being secretive or dishonest through common sense actions than to attempt to run randomized screenings like a relationship parole warden. It's not like you could legally force her to take another home test, eithe…
/r/MensRights19/12/14 10:45 PM
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I agree completely with this sentiment and if I seem to be opposing it, I misrepresented myself. My views is that the productive energy of men is a huge asset to humanity, and that if our cultures only properly supported it, it would be better put to productive than destructive ends.
/r/MensRights19/12/14 10:15 PM
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Yeah, that is a similar course of action. I don't know how long leave is in relation to planning an ultrasound, but it would definitely work for non-military.
/r/MensRights19/12/14 10:11 PM
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Maybe not, I don't know the actual laws. She should be posting and expecting sympathy about lack of acknowledgement of female perpetrators if she isn't going to report one. Similarly, it's in my interest to do this. I don't know where this person lives, or how near to me her alleged aggressor resides.
/r/MensRights19/12/14 10:09 PM
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"Send the 101st "White Knights" to invade ?" If there were more aggression, this probably would not be far from the truth. They aren't a NATO member, but they are much more separated from Russia than Crimea or Eastern Ukraine.
/r/MensRights19/12/14 08:08 AM
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I'm going to bug you until you say you've reported it, for your own best interest. It's a day later now, have you? The idea that woman can't be perpetrators can't go away without anyone reporting the crimes. Even if it goes down as ambiguous because no evidence is found (provided there isn't some other evidence that can be gathered that you aren't thinking about), that's better in crime statistics than no report. Thinking of it as paying it forward. Also, defending yourself and others now to the…
/r/MensRights19/12/14 07:58 AM
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This makes me unexcited to soon be apartment hunting. I think I'll stick to larger and more established providers. It looks like he just barely escaped a major extortion plot.
/r/MensRights19/12/14 07:45 AM
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It's an extension of "what's mine is mine, and what's yours is ours" in relationship finances. It's more traditional male disposibility that feminism turns a blind eye to fighting.
/r/MensRights19/12/14 07:37 AM
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Though the Guardian was the only one I found to strongly imply the sex of the deaths in Pakistan. "Once inside, the men began a pitiless killing spree, going from classroom to classroom in the male-only section of the academy, which educates 1,000 boys aged five to 18, many of them the sons of army officers." http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/16/pakistan-school-siege-survivors-how-it-unfolded I don't know what reporting since I found this about a day after it happened has been less biase…
/r/MensRights19/12/14 07:33 AM
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Since most home tests are messed up by user error, I'd say yes without even getting into the chemical and analytical details. Also, a pregnant woman should be wanting to go and get a check-up to ensure a healthy pregnancy.
/r/MensRights19/12/14 07:01 AM
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It can be done in a less confrontational manner by going to a doctor for a blood test and health check-up, which would be the next logical step anyway. If it's a so-far stable and trusting relationship, this keeps it on a more stable heading. Home tests can have both false positives and false negatives from user error if for no other reason.
/r/MensRights19/12/14 06:59 AM
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In the future, "Let's go to the doctor to make sure the test wasn't a false positive and that you and the baby are healthy". Taking the next logical step is an easy way to call the bluff on this one. This is provided the relationship is developed enough to make children a consideration at all.
/r/MensRights19/12/14 06:50 AM
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Have them go to the doctor as a couple and have the doctor test to confirm. They should be seeing the doctor anyway if they are going to make a tiny person, and to check that the test wasn't a false positive. This is much less confrontational, better for any potential child, and will get parents who do want the child used to making time for doing parent things.
/r/MensRights19/12/14 06:45 AM
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Fear leads to hate, and hate leads to the dark side.
/r/MensRights17/12/14 06:03 PM
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No one has simply put that it is inherent in the name. 1-MGTOW are going their own way, and that means not in the direction society is currently going. 2-As governments increase in size, they typically tend to become more entrenched in whatever mode of operation they are in. Government will have recoil or collapse before it can change to a more friendly direction. 3-Men with GTOW views would be going the same way as society if they agreed with the current government.
/r/MGTOW15/12/14 10:06 PM
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Yeah, I had a similar experience with therapy. It was difficult to get my therapist to consider my serious, and he mostly just seemed happy I didn't have multiple personality disorder or something like that. The abuse I received was mostly emotional, as there was such an age and strength difference between the primary physical abuser and myself that I was too terrorized to even try standing up. As a result, I have a strong tenancy to minimize and bottle my problems and to just tell people what t…
/r/MensRights11/12/14 04:03 AM
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