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DiscussionPPDebater/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/17 06:12 PM
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As I stated several times. It's not a matter of having my feelings hurt or not. For the record, I DONT have my feelings hurt, you're confusing TRPers with me. The guys that aren't socially competent barring having serious issues are because of a maladjustement, not really because they don't have the competence. They've lost touch of that part within themselves. A regular person is social by nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/17 08:24 PM
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Right and wrong do not always translate to moral and immoral. mo·ral·i·ty məˈralədē/ noun principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior. synonyms: ethics, rights and wrongs, ethicality More Morality deals with right and wrong, hence moral and immoral objectively translate to right and wrong. You are wrong here. Women do not provide an environment that allows men to be secure. Do you think men don't provide an environment that allows men to be secure? Rela…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/17 06:31 PM
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And you are right, we should strive to be moral, but not in issues where morality is thrown out the window, If what you're saying is what I understand, then two wrongs don't make a right. Absolutely. We need to be insecure in the same way that we need to fail. I agree with what you say here. I think I got my point through. Yes, you need a resistance in order to overcome it to become stronger, that's how you get stronger physically, that's how you get stronger mentally. In a relationship though, …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/17 04:12 AM
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You've made a very interesting comment. I browsed upon it and a lot of what you say makes sense to a certain level. Right now I don't have enough time to go deeper on it, but I'd like to do it when I have more free time.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 09:58 PM
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If someone needs a strategy to approach girls he's being way too analytical maybe. But if PUA works for him then I agree good for them. But most PUA advice is impractical and unhealthy for a good relationship(major PUA's dont have good relationships, and when they fail they do so spectacularly). They don't really teach you how to communicate with someone else and usually the focus is on being "alpha" and to AMOG, which in my experience is counterproductive. Most guys that I know get regularly la…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 08:56 PM
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I'm a guy. I didn't just said be social, I said be socially competent, to have fun(that also means you are fun) and take risks(that is, you take an active part). So you're a social guy having fun that goes ahead and kisses the girl when he feels it. It's not that hard. I don't know a single guy that is social, has fun and goes for it that doesn't get laid regularly. Chads are the usually unrealistic ideal of a guy as that guy's insecurities make him. Most guys get regularly laid, most guys get g…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 08:02 PM
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I understand the distinction but well that's the overall perception I got from reading several TRP posts over maybe a year? I may have been wrong, I'd need to recheck things. If the majority people use a concept one way and others another, then you have to go with the majority as being representative of that concept in that community. It can be a thing about clarity but it can also be a difference in concepts within that same community, which is what I believe. Then in that case it would invalid…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 07:54 PM
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But this isn't TRP, that's part of the reason why I didn't publish it there. This is PPB, which is a debate between both sides.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 07:41 PM
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I see good points you've made, are you a TRPer? Human nature. Deal with it, adapt... It's human <b>behaviour</b>. People have a choice in their behaviour, some people act one way, others another and saying human nature doesn't justify that behaviour and doesn't really explain it. It's another way of saying it is how it is, deal with it. If it's an issue within the community then I have the right to denounce it as an issue, if I'm wrong then the community can denounce me as being wrong and pointi…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 05:36 PM
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I agree with what you've said about doing something in order to get validation out of a woman. I would say that's the issue many "Nice Guys" have and I agree that attitude is deceitful, dishonest and obviously unattractive. But that's your interpretation of beta/alpha. Other people within TRP hold the view that beta == comfort things, alpha == sex things, even within this post. For example you have Athol Kay's books where he himself describes as leaning towards being beta and to achieve a balanc…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 05:17 PM
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I'm also talking about that. I'm talking about the don't critique or we're gonna tell you cuck/beta/white knight type of mentality. It reminds me of when someone might tell a racist that no, black people aren't like that, and their view is a wrong one and they would say things like "nigger-lover", which were meant to be shaming tactics in order not to receive criticism over their ideas. I undestand why many may react that way but it's still the wrong way to react and if most of the subreddit hol…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 05:06 PM
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Yes... maybe I'll make single posts, it will be more effective perhaps. Well this subreddit is supposed to be about debate, and if people that are in a debating subreddit aren't willing to debate(and the base for a discussion is to be open to hearing another view) then that's kind of a major failure on the subreddit. I know many people are like that, in fact, in a way, we all are like that at times, but it's my belief and hope that there are plenty of people who ARE willing to exchange ideas, an…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 04:07 PM
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I agree with this to a large extent. But how can socially competence be taught? We all are born social(there are some very rare exceptions), but we lose that because of certain experiences, strategies and mindsets. RP in my opinion is not a healthy mindset in interacting with other people, and to a large part PUA advice(which appears on r/seduction). For example the whole being the alpha/dominant man in the group. It will lead to you stop communicating with the other guys and to covertly try to …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 04:02 PM
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All humans want validation... Yes we do, but at different levels. For some the need for validation might be greater than for others and that leads to doing things other people wouldn't do in search of that. That's also not true, validation and significance can come from people you don't even know. Of course you get MORE validated by someone you know but you can still get validation and significance from a random stranger agreeing with you(circle jerking). That's partially true, but many of those…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 03:59 PM
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There are many concepts that form the RP. Some of them are amoral, some of them immoral. Overall it sells a behaviour and attitude change, and usually to people who resent women based on their past experiences and they take RP and "get back" on women by usually immoral behaviour. Not all of them do, but I would say most of them do, at least on the anger phase
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 03:12 PM
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His level of commitment is zero because he's taking action. In that moment he has a higher level of commitment than the girl(because the girl isn't doing anything). But this is still a moot point, rather secondary. The main thing is that at time AWALT is useful at times it's destructive. Same with NAWALT. Thanks, I'll read it tomorrow
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 06:16 AM
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You give an interesting position, which now that you mention it it does strike me as truthful. It gives a valid explanation for a certain behaviour although that doesn't justify it. There are always people who behave differently. If I give arguments and he just insults me without knowing me there's a reason for that, but the question is, is that a valid reason? Ideas should be judged on their own merit if you are serious about finding truth in the world. In this same post there are plenty of peo…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 06:12 AM
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Good post, man, here are my thoughts: They don't like debates... We should strive to be moral, I don't see this as a good reason. Where do you get the 80% of cases? I thought so but after doing research I found out that it wasn't really unfair on the large part, but I admit it was a superficial research. Regarding chad thundercock... Oh I agree, but the issue with that is that it fuels your insecurities not allowing you to be rid of them. There's always someone that's going to be more towards th…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 05:39 AM
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Any guy that APPROACHES a girl does so without any previous interaction of the girl. That is his level of commitment(by approaching) is higher than the girl's(which is zero). Even if the girl commits by indicating him to come over and talk to her, he's still the one that has to take the active lead and commit above her level. Also that's what leading does, it means taking a step further in order for the woman to follow. But most posts fall in the "no because awalt and TRPers told me to do or I w…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 05:04 AM
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You're not wrong to say that TRP leads to an unfulfilling life. It does, in the same way that sprinting two miles leads to an uncomfortable afternoon. Your words. You're comparing an unfulfilling LIFE with an uncomfortable afternoon. I think we can have a really good exchange of ideas based on what I perceive to be your character, which RP concepts do you think lead to a fulfilling life and why do you think so? I've already stated why I think certain concepts don't and the main problem I have wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 05:00 AM
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But you're comparing a whole life with an uncomfortable afternoon. I think I understand what you mean though, it's just the analogy it's a bad one IMO. I disagree, there are plenty of people who are fed certain ways of thinking, of seeing the world and relationships and fueled by their own negative experiences go their own way. Men need women and women need men, we complement each other and give each other something no other thing in the world can give. You can see it as the masculine needs the …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 04:38 AM
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Then why even have this subreddit? The idea is for people who are critical to come and have their views challenged(CMV?). That's how we grow. People inside a club that has dogmatic views will most likely not see the flaws of the club precisely because it's dogmatic. Think of atheism and religion. An atheist that cares about other people and see a religious idea that may hurt people and society will speak of it, even to that religious community. Some will bash, insult, some won't even listen, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 04:30 AM
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Guy AWALT assumes ... Taking it to its base level it's fallacious. An AWALT guy already assumes a certain level of commitment before a girl has proven it, up until the moment they interact she wouldn't have been able to make anything to prove worthiness of commitment, but still he gives it to him. Sometimes AWALT is a good thing to keep, it's a safer thing to do, I've done it at times when advising someone. But there are also times where going AWALT mentality is wrong, and there's a patter in TR…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 04:27 AM
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I'm not saying TRP is a cult but that it has cultish behaviour and it's something to be wary about. People who don't accept criticism for their beliefs are dogmatic, maybe that's the world that describes it better: dogma. There are certain dogmas in TRP which cannot be criticized or you'll be shamed without real arguments. I understand it, but it's something that's wrong and critical people that might be in TRP will see that. I know there are plenty of trolls on the internet, there's also someon…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 04:23 AM
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I think what @LittleWindowpane meant is immoral, which is quite different to amoral.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 04:19 AM
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What you're doing is justifying why you actually didn't read but still argued back. Maybe I really propose nothing new, maybe I do... actually reading and analysing what I said will clarify that. I understand that in many places repeated arguments get boresome and you may just have browsed superficially, but in that case you shouldn't argument back. But I do agree that if there are different points it's hard to manage all of them. That's why I thought of splitting it on different posts, but thou…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 04:17 AM
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Herein lies another problem with RP. Basically what you're saying women cannot choose to be hypergamous while men can. What do you mean by that? That women cannot help but act hypergamously? Sure they can. Men can be hypergamous and justify it(just as we all sometimes justify bad behaviour) and women can choose not to act hypergamously. I don't think I need to explain more because it's really obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 04:14 AM
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Yeah, I agree. I'm not doing that really, so it's not truly relevant to my post
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 02:32 AM
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Then I agree with that. As a general thing we humans have certain patterns we follow, and also as different biological beings, men have certain patterns we follow and women have others. What those patterns are is more subject to debate but there are certain patterns indeed. Then TRP subreddit is misusing the concept and dishonoring it. As a general concept I agree with AW/MALT and on the specifics Im sure we would also agree with many aspects
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 02:24 AM
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https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/feminism-objectification/ I'll check that link later on, with a little more time. It seems a really valuable link. I agree, but dehumanizing women in general isn't the answer as I stated. It's the wrong strategy towards empowering men. Sure, there are things women have that they shouldn't have, and you shouldn't respect that. But that doesn't mean a dehumanization
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 02:20 AM
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If that's how you view the world... sure man... keep at it ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 02:17 AM
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Yeah, that part I'm wholly, 100% in agreement. There's a difference between men and women, yin and yang, men are more dominant, women are more submissive. And I have encountered such persons that think that being dominant is disrespecting a girl and so on and so on, but they're really few, not at all what I was talking about. I'm mostly talking about certain aspects of RP and mostly TRP community
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 02:14 AM
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No, your gut doesn't tell you to fuck every woman. Your gut doesn't tell you to fuck this girl or her equivalent: http://1000uglypeople.com/wp-content/uploads/Im-Not-Fat-Im-An-American-Fugly-Fat-Girl.jpg Of course you have a biological program to further the species, and to fuck for that, and more so to fuck the best potential partner and so do women. It seems I misinterpreted your argument, usually when TRPers say AWALT it means yes, she's going to cheat because "All Women Are Like That", and i…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 01:41 AM
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That's how RP defines hypergamy because RP is for men, but hypergamy is a strategy not limited to women as I know. Which is a criticism on hypergamy as RP manages it: we all try to get the best partner we can, guys want to get the hottest girl, girls want to get the hottest guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 01:11 AM
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I agree, in fact, the other way I was talking with my older brother about my little brother and we're trying to get him to go out more often. My older brother is one of the most charismatic persons I know and he attracts girls like crazy and he just said TL;DR of talking to the other sex: It's just basic human communication, people on the internet over complicate it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 01:09 AM
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Many TRPers(I assume they are) that are disagreeing with me have the notion that I'm doing it to bitch about. I'm seriously not, I'm not complaining I just want to have an honest debate about things I've talked in the post. I'm not emotionally invested as some TRPers seem to be. Thanks for your response, man. On what do you disagree?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 01:07 AM
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I'm not really sold on whether it's woman's nature or whether it's a cultural aspect. I'm sure that worldwide there are plenty of cultures where this doesn't happen(or not in a significant level), but I don't really know either way. I'm not disgusted with AWALT, I believe it's a false notion, the same as AMALT("all men are pigs", "all men are...") because even though yes, we as humans have patterns, we also break free of those patterns, and you can't say all men cheat, all men love brunettes, al…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 01:04 AM
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I'll check it out, I think I browsed it the other day in a fitness post. And yes I'm talking about TRP the subreddit and the core aspects explained not only by the TRPers of the subreddit but also about Athol Key's books and mainly The Rational Male.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 01:00 AM
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No. There is debate and discussion that regularly goes on in TRP. If a guy says something is alpha, but someone disagrees, that comment and talk about it. I mean meta discussion, criticism about itself. You're seeing it in this post. There's a guy who spews shit about me without even knowing me, just because I'm talking about TRP in a critical manner. There is a difference between disagreeing with a part or parts of TRP... I've also touched on this. I don't disagree with all of TRP, I do agree w…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 12:59 AM
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Dude... you know nothing about me.... I go out with girls on average 4 days a week. Those women certainly care about me. I already have their love, kindness and sex, I'm obviously not looking for that on the internet. Do you have any actual argument or just ad hominems towards someone you don't know?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 12:49 AM
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Nope, this has been discussed to death. Cults require things from its members, TRP is just info that you can take or leave, like a buffet. Can you point to a link where this has been debated and concluded? As far as I know that's not what a cult is, a cult is when you are devoted. Even if it were, the point I'm arguing is that the community follows a shaming strategy when you criticize it. alpha and beta are behavior patterns. That is why TRP explains that in a LTR, a man should inject a bit of …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/17 11:14 PM
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I've seen certain things on r/seduction which are valuable and others that aren't. Overall I don't really thing there's much to getting laid other than being socially competent(you don't have to out-alpha anyone really), having fun and taking risks. For the most people. Because biology already takes care of the rest for you. Guys are attractive to girls because biology. Girls are attractive to guys because of biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/17 09:21 PM
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So you posted your advice and it got called out as negative. This is a problem with TRP why? Because we don't recognize just how great your advice is? Well that's how it works in the idea market. Though man this post reeks of gamma. Why doesn't TRP recognize your greatness? Uhm... I didn't actually said it was my idea that got turned down? It wasn't. It's every time I see any kind of criticism towards TRP. Furthermore, you're doing it on this same post. Shaming me with "gamma"(whatever that mean…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/17 09:18 PM
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Why do you say so? Truth(not RP) does not care about feelings I know. But what you said was, I'm going to tell you why you know nothing about TRP even though I'm not even bothering to read what you're actually saying(your words). That's not going after the truth. Why not make my own subreddit? Well I don't even have the time nor inclination to create a community. I don't really think it's even necessary as all elements for self-improvement are already are there, people just need to apply them. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/17 08:48 PM
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What is weakness in your perspective? Why is disagreeing with an ideology is fine but caring for others is "pathetic"? I think you have an issue that goes deeper if you think caring for others is pathetic. It's part of what makes us human and is something that is good. Also, I wonder, why did you even express this opinion if you don't care about me? You're doing the same thing you're criticizing me for. BTW, that mentality of not caring about others is defined as the essence of what it means to …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/17 07:32 PM
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If you didn't read what I actually said, then how did you came to the conclusion that it is useless? You're saying that I don't understand what TRP is based on YOUR understanding of it. I think that my perception of it is accurate based on what I've seen red pillers saying. I could be wrong and I'm open to debate(that's why I made the post) but you also need to be open to debate and not taking a condescending posture. Hypergamy Hypergamy is just "one-upping". As I understand it "branch swinging"…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/17 07:29 PM
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And yet many TRPers say that the asshole is the alpha, the one that gives 0 fucks about everyone and everything. You know in that same trilogy who acts like that? Alan. But nobody would fuck him. Many people have different ideas on what a "beta" male is. If what you mean a guy without balls, socially programmed to be a way he doesn't like to be? I would agree that's not really attractive, but it's not because alpha/beta in the way TRPers see it. You don't have to be an asshole in order to be att…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/17 06:39 PM
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