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| 3 | What's the difference between a left-wing male advocate (or simply male advocate) and an MRA?This sub was started as a response to a pattern in MRA spaces (such as /r/MensRights). To advocate for men, you need to challenge a lot of feminist rhetoric. This rhetoric includes: making negative generalisations about men advocating for policies which are biased against men promoting the idea that sexism is only ever against women and anything that looks like sexism against men is actually just privilege backfiring Unfortunately, creating a space where feminism can be challenged tends to invit… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/06/26 12:49 AM |
| 4 | Her daughter did NOT say that shit 😭🙏<image> | /r/EverydayMisandry | 15/05/26 10:20 AM |
| 1 | “Gynocentrism is not possible under patriarchy”If we are using "patriarchy" as the label for traditional gender norms which, among other things, demanded that positions of authority be held by men, then gynocentrism isn't just possible. It's a core component of patriarchy. While (a tiny minority of) men were at the top, women were (and still are) the centre. Their safety is prioritised (women and children first). Their approval or the withholdong of it drives men to act against their own interests (see the White Feather campaign). They defin… | /r/EverydayMisandry | 14/05/26 07:38 AM |
| 26 | Feminist student organisation made SoCal gym inclusive - by banishing men - so that "women and non-binary students can exercise with a sense of ease"War is peace, freedom is slavery, exclusion is inclusive. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/04/26 10:52 PM |
| 25 | SureThis doesn't really paint women in the positive light the author thinks it does. It says women don't see men as people but as faceless fungible parts of a "system." (Textbook objectification) Meanwhile men might hate women but they see them as people. | /r/EverydayMisandry | 07/03/26 05:04 AM |
| 4 | Femcels want to force all men to cover up their entire bodies like Muslim women before going outside:Honestly, I would not be upset if I had to dress like a kabuki ninja. | /r/EverydayMisandry | 14/08/25 12:08 AM |
| 0 | "bUt FemINiSts dON't hATE mEn."What they mean is stop woman blaming. | /r/EverydayMisandry | 20/07/25 01:06 AM |
| 10 | This Is Very Much Not What a Normal Husband DoesBecome a husband. Make romantic approaches and be rejected countless times. Don't lose confidence because that would make you even less attractive. Work to meet the strict criteria to be worthy of dating. Be rejected some more. Finally get a date. Plan the date. Pay for the date. Take on responsibility for keeling the conversation flowing during the date. Don't get a second date. Repeat the process until you sufficiently impress someone to have a series of dates you also have the privilege of pl… | /r/EverydayMisandry | 11/05/25 10:52 PM |
| 3 | Counterpoint: Why is there no female equivalent of man-child, man-baby, catcalling, mansplaning and womanizer which are used mostly for men?There is no female equivalent of man-child because immaturity and even helplessness are normalised for women. Shame is wielded against those who don't conform to norms. Shaming a woman for immaturity would be like shaming a woman for wearing a dress. It would make no sense. | /r/EverydayMisandry | 29/04/25 02:05 PM |
| 0 | Couples therapy doesn't work because of perverse incentives..If the husband gives up then he is quitting on therapy and that would be unsuccessful. I think they meant he gives up trying to be heard or define any of his own boundaries and just accepts the abuse. That would be "successful" as the relationship has been restored to a state which suits the wife. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/04/25 06:31 AM |
| 3 | The Most Wildly Incorrect Generalization I’ve Ever SeenBowling for Soup has a few good breakup songs. 2-Seater is my favourite but Life After Lisa is probably a better counter-example for this post. https://youtu.be/TXc0sCQWB1c?si=YpYXtu6mmOS5P3kY I saw you with the dude who gave us our first tattoos Did he cover up my name? That was fast... Can you believe that I'm alive still not working nine to five? And my little band is kicking some ass So when you asked me if I hated you now It's not you, it's just all of the times I missed out On sleeping wit… | /r/EverydayMisandry | 18/04/25 04:18 AM |
| 4 | The Most Wildly Incorrect Generalization I’ve Ever Seenhttps://youtu.be/YS4ALgm6Rsc?si=RyJ1c3kZyJn1gaG5 You little thief You let me love you You saw me stumbling You watched me fall You left me broken Shattered and bleeding But there's no hard feelings There no feelings at all | /r/EverydayMisandry | 18/04/25 04:14 AM |
| 10 | Has anyone else noticed a huge wave of misandrist and anti-men posts and comments on Reddit lately?Yeah. It's been like this for about a decade. What's changed is that reddit's overlords have decided to copy things like YouTube and introduce a recommendation algorithm for engagement and profit. So now you get a whole lot of posts from subs you'd normally never look at showing up in your feed. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/04/25 11:56 PM |
| – | Feminist infiltration in liberal spaces has cost us everything.Because people (you) are trying to claim that women are the threat to free speech Feminists, not women, are a, not the, threat to free speech. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/04/25 09:29 PM |
| – | One of women's biggest advantage: In-group biasOprah is the greatest peddler of misinformation in history. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Oprah_Winfrey Her massive, overwhelmingly female, audience ate it up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/04/25 02:05 PM |
| -1 | One of women's biggest advantage: In-group biasWhich gender were most of Oprah's fans? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/04/25 10:09 PM |
| 5 | Boys are the worst, girls are so calm and play decentlyAnyone who thinks 13-year-old girls are morally superior to 13-year-old boys has never taught in a highschool (or middle school if you're in part of the world which uses that wacky system). Both can behave badly. The difference is that the boys know they are misbehaving while the girls have 100% conviction that they are in the right. When you tell off a boy, the attitude is usually "Okay, you caught me." With the girls, it is more often "How dare you!" | /r/EverydayMisandry | 07/04/25 10:16 PM |
| 3 | How shows like “adolescence” are used to brainwash people and promote radical feminismGo back and rewatch her first few scenes. Walter turning out to be a bad person doesn't make her shittyness good. | /r/MensRights | 06/04/25 10:11 PM |
| 3 | How shows like “adolescence” are used to brainwash people and promote radical feminismWhere are the characters who manipulate, emasculate, cheat, lie, or destroy men psychologically? Skyler White.... But now the popular narrative is that we only hated her because we're misogynists | /r/MensRights | 06/04/25 12:41 AM |
| 6 | UN Women says MRAs are against women and LGBTIQ+ movements. Let's see how much of that is actually true. So, fellow MRAs do you support women and LGBTIQ+ rights?Projection. Their feminism is anti-man so they can't comprehend of a social movement for men which isn't anti-woman. | /r/MensRights | 01/04/25 12:18 PM |
| 20 | This is the most misandrist movie ever made, right?Feminism now just means whatever gives women a dopamine hit. | /r/EverydayMisandry | 30/03/25 09:10 AM |
| 4 | Silver divorces are more common among couples where women have health issues. Does your personal experience support this study's findings?This is what is missed most times someone uses these stats to assert "man bad, woman good." It's not just the extra work of taking care of a sick person and taking on chores they can no-longer do. The sick person's behaviour can also.change, making them intolerable to live with. Serious illness causes many strong emotions which can absolutely cause shifts in personality. Also, I've seen lovely people become raging narcissists the moment they have something they believe justifies it. Serious illn… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/03/25 11:31 PM |
| 1 | Has anyone else found that Right Wing Man/Left Wing Woman pairings seem more common than the reverse?If you read my online comments, they would give you absolutely no idea of who I am in real life. That doesn't mean I'm faking my real-life personality. I can't speak for anyone else but my head is full of contradictory opinions. Some are held strongly and others weakly. In real life these get aggregated to something consistent. An online discussion lets me go all-in on one position. Quite often, it's a position incompatible with how i actually live. Again, this isn't because I'm living a lie. Th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/03/25 11:17 PM |
| 30 | The mentality exhausting burden we bear as men listening to feminist talk about thinking."Mental load" is just a way to spin nagging to make the one doing it the victim. You see a problem and fix it. No "mental load." You see a problem and tell someone else about it. "Mental load." You pester them about fixing it. "Mental load." You have a tantrum about them not fixing it. "Mental load." | /r/MensRights | 06/03/25 12:04 AM |
| 12 | What’s up with “attractive men are bad and not interested in monogamy, unattractive men are good and loyal?”"Choose better" isn't advice. It is generally said in response to a woman making shitty generalisations about men based on her own shitty relationships, meaning the men she chose. It is saying "Don't blame men in general because you keep choosing the worst men." While I would prefer that nobody be abused or cheated on, it doesn't really affect me if some woman I don't know wants to keep dating abusive, unfaithful men. What does affect me is the constant fucking vilification of men. However, if y… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/02/25 11:27 PM |
| 4 | Discussing gender issues--my friend wants me to abandon the 'MRA' label because they feel the movement is beyond redemption and I don't want to be guilty by association of propping up the far righteuphemism treadmill Exactly what I was thinking. The problem isn't that the word has bad connotations. The problem is that what it denotes is seen as bad. When i was in school "special" became the preferred term for intellectually disabled people. So naturally, we all started using the word to call each other stupid. It didn't matter what word you used, intellectually disabled is not something you wanted to be. To genuinely advocate for men you need to challenge socially dominant ideas. While th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/02/25 12:56 AM |
| 57 | Why is the left losing younger men to the right?Men have been horribly miseducated on feminism It seems that most feminists have been miseducated on what feminism means. Maybe try educating them first. bell hooks Feminists kept pushing bell hooks as proof that everything i believed about feminism was wrong. So I read one of her books. While she's far from the worst feminist when it comes to talkng about men, if she's the best then feminism has very little to offer men. https://www.reddit.com/r/FeMRADebates/s/BqgeFm7C9X | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/02/25 03:21 PM |
| 3 | There are Double Standards towards Men's Complaints in Relationships vs Women's Complaints in Relationshipswomen as receiving sympathy while men are blamed. Go into any feminist subreddit and this is exactly what you'll find. If you want to say that's not feminism then fine but say it to the "feminists" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/25 01:11 AM |
| 4 | Friendzone complaints mainly come from guys who dont value friendships.Yes, he created this dynamic. He made himself a doormat. She is not at fault for letting him do that and she's certainly not at fault for not finding a guy with no backbone attractive. The man in this scenario most likely has extremely low self-esteem. Someone with a healthy self-image isn't going to put themself in this position. To them, being desired doesn't look like a realistic option. It's being settled for or nothing. Being in this situation is certainly not helping his self-esteem. When … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/01/25 01:19 AM |
| 2 | Friendzone complaints mainly come from guys who dont value friendships.The friendzone isn't anything like actual friendship. It is an extremely asymmetric relationship. One person gives far more than they would in a friendship and the other gives far less. I'm going to gender this because it makes talking about it simpler. I'm sure similar dynamics exist with the genders reversed and even with two people of the same gender. Let's say a man and a woman are, to most disinterested observers, "friend". He has a crush on her but she has no romantic interest in him. Now,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/01/25 01:14 PM |
| 1 | Women dismiss men's relationship stress, yet believe similar complaints from lesbian/bi women.And this male in-group bias is, ironically, forming as a direct result of feminists' constant generalised vilification of men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/01/25 10:36 PM |
| -7 | Nearly every woman has been in an abusive relationship, yet they still claim they aren’t drawn to toxic behaviorUnless they are selecting for the minority of men who are abusive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/25 11:24 PM |
| 1 | This is disappointing to read:Toxic masculinity is a valuable concept. Unfortunately, the term has been poisoned by misuse, primarily by feminists. Toxic masculinity is not a list of bad behaviours. The very same masculine qualities which are toxic in some cases are positive in others. The difference is in your reason for expressing those qualities. Are you choosing them as a genuine expression of your personality or because they are helpful to you, those you care about or humanity in general? Then they are positive masculin… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/01/25 01:18 PM |
| 30 | The Casual Victimhood the Online LibfemI see this as another example of where the implicit message is what really motivates the speaker. The form modern feminist activism takes suggests that it's not really about change. Yes, it demands inequalities against women be corrected. However, in almost every case, women aren't actually disadvantaged in these areas. Quite often, when you look more closely, the inequality is actually in women's favour. The sense of grievance is the point. The demand implies the injustice. Why would a reasonab… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/01/25 12:33 AM |
| 13 | RP/BP ppl on PPD say women should choose better, but they really don’t want that.What they want is for women to choose them. Nope. I've already been chosen. I'd like more women to choose better men because: I don't like anyone, male or female, being abused. I don't like my entire gender being vilified because many women keep choosing the worst men then generalising their experiences to all men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/01/25 11:12 PM |
| 2 | The hypocrisy of "derailings"It is somewhat similar to a motte and bailey but I'm not sure it's the same thing. Or, perhaps more accurately. These models might apply to mostly the same arguments but frame the issue with the arguments in different ways. The motte would be the explicit argument and the bailey would be the implicit one. In the framing of the motte and bailey, the person is in the bailey, promoting the ideas they actually want to. However, because these ideas are hard to defend, when someone challenges it, they… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/12/24 01:56 AM |
| 23 | The hypocrisy of "derailings"My perspective on the accusation of derailing is that it is frequently provoked by engaging with the implicit argument rather than the explicit one. "Not all men" is said in response to someone making sweeping vilifying generalisations about men. However, the response this gets is usually just denial that this was happening. That is because the vilification was the implicit argument while the explicit argument was something far more defensible such as expressing concern for female victims of sex… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/12/24 11:49 PM |
| 43 | Male feminist ally gets a taste of "believe all women""I never thought leopards would eat MY face," sobs woman who voted for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party. | /r/MensRights | 26/12/24 02:14 AM |
| 3 | Paper Abortions are not ethically analogous to Abortionspunish distribution. So don't punish women who have abortions, just the doctors who perform them? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/24 04:00 AM |
| 4 | Paper Abortions are not ethically analogous to AbortionsI've not seen a lot of people argue for the legalisation of methamphetamine | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/24 01:18 AM |
| 6 | Paper Abortions are not ethically analogous to AbortionsSomeone has better go let out all of those prisoners serving time for drug offences then. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/24 12:33 AM |
| 9 | Paper Abortions are not ethically analogous to AbortionsAnd if you genuinely believed in the right to bodily autonomy you'd be arguing for that right to be recognised in the far more black-and-white cases. Instead, it's just something you reach for when arguing about abortion It's like conservatives using "free speech" when they are kicked off a platform. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/24 12:30 AM |
| 4 | Paper Abortions are not ethically analogous to AbortionsThe right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated I'd say that applying this to abortion is a stretch but even that would be unreasonably charitable | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/24 12:11 AM |
| 9 | Paper Abortions are not ethically analogous to AbortionsBodily autonomy is a concept invented entirely for the context of abortion arguments. There is no right to bodily autonomy recognised. If you had a right to bodily autonomy then you wouldn't need a prescription for any medication and there would be no laws against recreational drugs. This would be a far more clear-cut case of bodily autonomy than abortion as there is no question of whether you exercising this right interferes with the rights of any other entity. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/12/24 11:59 PM |
| – | What is meant by "women live on easy mode"?Wife is definitely a bitch to everyone Your wife or wives in general? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/24 12:32 AM |
| – | What is meant by "women live on easy mode"?Women receive more lenient treatment by the criminal justice system Women get preferential treatment in family court Girls are given higher grades for equivalent work at school Girls are punished less severely by teachers for the same behaviours In most nations, women are not subject to conscription If a woman tells someone she is being abused by her partner, the response will likely be sympathy and often attempts to help. If a man tells someone he is being abused by a woman, he can expect mocke… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/24 11:39 PM |
| 2 | The left or progressives seem to have a strong hatred of individualism. And I think this could be harmful for men issues."Individualism" is a slippery term. It means at least 3, basically orthogonal, things. There's the "be yourself" rather than conform meaning. Then there's the idea that you have no obligation to the rest of society. Finally there's the concept of seeing an treating people as individuals rather than as indistinguishable members of groups. The one conservatives believe in is 2. The one which really matters to me is 3. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/12/24 11:22 PM |
| 1 | Here is a masterclass of how to completelly repell men from the leftwing"Left" is an incredibly broad political category. I acknowledge that "woke" is a controversial term but it's the best word we've got at the moment to distinguish the part I'm talking about. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/12/24 10:49 PM |
| 32 | Just a reminder to those who haven't left. This site wants you to feel hated. They want men to be pushed into further radicalization. For the sake of your own mental well-being. Leave this website.The problem is that the spoiled children currently drowning out all other voices on the left don't actually have values. They have an ingroup and an outgroup The whole "vulnerable categories" thing is just rationalisation for applying different rules to the ingroup and outgroup. You can also see the lack of values in modern woke fiction. Those who say things like "Star Trek was always woke" miss that the progressive messaging was about generalisable values. The writers could tackle racism using … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/12/24 03:12 AM |
| 6 | Here is a masterclass of how to completelly repell men from the leftwingThe woke left make a lot more sense if you abandon the assumption that they want to convince people to agree with them. They are generally privileged (meaning born into financial security, not born with a penis or pale skin) and are therefore insulated from the results of politics. Short of revolution, no matter what the outcome, they have the resources to ensure that it is always other people who bear the consequences. Their behaviour actually suggests that they are motivated not by any desire … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/12/24 10:31 PM |
| 1 | Why does therapy fail men on a large scale and what alternatives are there?It's not the words you are using. It's the fact that you are using them to shame men for expressing their feelings. That's not just the way you talk. That's the way everyone talks. This is the point they are making and the one you are denying, while proving. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/11/24 10:22 PM |
| 1 | Why does therapy fail men on a large scale and what alternatives are there?"Emotional regard", "time to learn to be a big boy" You don't even realise you're doing it | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/24 10:13 PM |
| 1 | Why does therapy fail men on a large scale and what alternatives are there?Men are expressing their feelings here and you are shaming them for it, while telling them that nobody is shaming them for it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/24 09:55 PM |
| 21 | Skeptics lost touch with reality, blames young men's views on "loss of privilege"Elevatorgate was perhaps the first shot fired in the ongoing culture war. I won't link to a source here because it is virtually impossible to find articles on any culture-war issue which aren't insanely biased. Basically, a woman who was already complaining about sexism in the atheism community was awkwardly propositioned by a guy in an elevator after she gave a talk (on sexism in the atheism community) at an atheism conference. She made a video about it and it blew up. It led to Atheism+ which … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/11/24 12:23 AM |
| 60 | Anyone noticed how the stopgaming sub is almost nothing but women complaining about their husbands gaming "habits"?Everything built by nerds becomes anti-nerd once it becomes profitable and the popular kids move in. STEM, Comics, the Internet... | /r/MensRights | 23/11/24 02:40 PM |
| 1 | Nancy Mace doesn’t understand the irony in her statement.Well misandry is the basis for a significant proportion of transphobia. People who hate transwomen do so because they believe transwomen to be men. All of the bullshit about transwomen wanting to sneak in to women's spaces to perve on and rape women comes from similar vilification of men. | /r/MensRights | 20/11/24 10:14 PM |
| 1 | Do you think the left wing will try to appeal to young men in the future?Not until other voices on the left wrestle control away from the woke. At the moment, left-wing politics is a playground for the privileged (the actually privileged, by having enough money that pronouns can be their most pressing concern, not by being born with a penis) The problem with these people is that winning isn't actually their goal. It makes no real difference to their lives who wins. Money insulates them from the consequences. Sure, winning is nice but only because they can imagine the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/11/24 01:35 AM |
| 1 | Do you think the left wing will try to appeal to young men in the future?Trump isn't the problem. The world got lucky with Trump. There is a wave of discontent which he rode simply by being at the right place at the right time. Fortunately, the end goal for Tump is just being president. He's not really interested in changing the world. Someone who actually believed in a cause could have easily ridden that wave. History has enough examples of that happening and how badly it can go. What actually scares me is who comes after Trump. That discontent is still there and th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/11/24 11:52 PM |
| – | Wanting left winged groups to win requires more support to menLet's not be sexist. Plenty of "liberal" men are happily vilifying their own gender. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/11/24 11:20 PM |
| – | Wanting left winged groups to win requires more support to menI don't want to get all conspiracy theory here, but it is an interesting coincidence that idpol bullshit really took off in the middle of the Occupy movement. As far as protest movements go, it was doing pretty well. It's what popularised the concept of the 1%. However, ideas like the progressive stack (where the most "oppressed" identities have the most right to speak) gained hold in the movement and totally derailed it. Every major leftish political movement since has been focused on idpol (ok… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/11/24 11:15 PM |
| 1 | Men are just as irrational/emotional as women. (If anything, they are arguably more so on average.)I would go one step further and say that society insiting that women's emotions be everyone's problem has taught many women to behave as though they are entitled to make their emotions everyone's problem. And this entitlement is what people are really referring to when they say women are more emotional. Men are emotional but the message they get their entire life is that their feelings are inconvenient for other people and/or make other people uncomfortable and that is more important than their … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/10/24 12:31 AM |
| 37 | A new subreddit in the milieu - r/RadMensLibThis new sub has a goal of elucidating a theory of men's oppression under patriarchy using, and from there, men's liberation from it. Maybe start by finding a better term than "patriarchy." While the way you intended it was not "women are oppressed and it's men's fault," it is unfortunately strongly implied by the word and how it has been used by others. You can see how the responses you got here focused on that and how it derailed any discussion you were hoping to have. The problem is not so mu… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/10/24 12:42 AM |
| 53 | Lawsuit: a university counselor initiated an unauthorized investigation against a falsely accused student who confided in her about the pain of being wrongly accused. This resulted in the student being dismissed from the program."Why won't men open up about their feelings?" | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/09/24 10:22 PM |
| 6 | Most people who say this would prefer the issue of male SA victims to never come up at allIn many discussions, there are multiple subjects, some explicit and others implicit. When the explicit subject is female victims of sexual assault, the form this discussion often takes includes an implicit reinforcement of the oppressor-oppressed gender dichotomy. That is, the narrative that life for women is hard-mode relative to men and that men, collectively and exclusively, bear moral culpability for this. Whether this implicit message is conscious, subconscious or totally accidental, it is … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/09/24 04:47 AM |
| 6 | How do you respond intelligently to posts like this?I assume you'd need to dislike a man to make a false accusation which gets him murdered https://kutv.com/news/local/logan-police-investigating-beating-death-of-man-falsely-accused-of-sexual-assault https://english.elpais.com/elpais/2016/12/16/inenglish/1481901326_122760.html https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9788265/Teenager-falsely-accused-of-rape-beaten-to-death-by-gang.html | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/08/24 12:19 AM |
| 11 | Thoughts on this? I think it comes across somewhat sexistI didn't even realise it had comments. I thought it was just a platform to make the internet more annoying by gaming search results to make me click through their shitty site to get to the content I was actually looking for. | /r/EverydayMisandry | 15/07/24 09:27 PM |
| 20 | Only dangerous men get offended by generalisations about men…The Kafka trap is misandrists' favourite move. | /r/EverydayMisandry | 14/07/24 01:58 AM |
| 17 | Thoughts?https://kutv.com/news/local/logan-police-investigating-beating-death-of-man-falsely-accused-of-sexual-assault https://english.elpais.com/elpais/2016/12/16/inenglish/1481901326_122760.html https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9788265/Teenager-falsely-accused-of-rape-beaten-to-death-by-gang.html | /r/EverydayMisandry | 28/06/24 10:48 AM |
| 7 | Women's Groups in Italy demand men to 'stay silent' about Domestic Abuse. They perceive helping these men as an "attack on women."It's called projection. On some level, they know that their domestic violence "activism" is about attacking men more than it is about protecting women. So, in their minds, anyone advocating for men must be attacking women. | /r/EverydayMisandry | 10/06/24 11:10 PM |
| 22 | AS LWMA's, how do we respond to posts like this one?Vilification is the wrong complaint in this instance. However, I still think messages like this are harmful to boys and men. They are harmful in exactly the same way accusing a woman of being a "diversity hire" is harmful. When you promote the idea that everything is just like sooooo much harder for women than men, you are unavoidably accusing men of not earning what they have. This letter is pretty explicit about it. This white knight declared he, and all other male engineering students, are in… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/05/24 10:38 AM |
| 13 | Man Bear In The Woods With A PigPost-hoc rationalisations of things done just for the dopamine hit make up a significant part of contemporary feminism. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/05/24 12:01 AM |
| -3 | The reason men "have such low standards" is because they assume that any woman they get with to change to fit the mold of their ideal life.Once again, a woman demonstrates that her understanding of male psychology is 100% projection. A man gets into a relationship with a woman hoping she won't change. A woman gets into a relationship with a man already planning how to change him. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/02/24 02:10 AM |
| 4 | The view of what maturity means within the gender discussion.It is largely extrapolated from the fact that girls hit and complete puberty earlier. It is true that girls physically mature earlier than boys. However, when used unqualified, "maturity" usually refers to mental maturity, not physical. Yes, puberty affects the brain but there is more to maturity than that. Your experiences matter. Someone who has never been responsible for their own needs or accountable for their emotional reactions isn't going to be more mature just because they have grown-up … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/02/24 01:31 AM |
| 8 | What double standards do men face?It's the actual meaning behind "fragile masculinity" before pop-feminism highjacked it to say men are fragile. Socially, a woman is anyone over a certain age who is read as female. She might be seen as an unfeminine or immoral woman but her womanhood is never in question. She will not be denied the privileges of womanhood. On the other hand, manhood is contingent on fulfilling a social role. If an adult male fails to do so then he is not treated as a man. Most male privilege will not apply to hi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/02/24 11:49 PM |
| 5 | Does it annoy anybody else how those speaking up for male issues are often really conservative?A couple of decades ago, the politically engaged were a self-selecting group and, on the left, they tended to be intelligent, open-minded, deep thinkers. They were the weirdos. Most people didn't care, beyond some vague ideas about which party offered a better deal for them personally. The left-wing weirdos had a whole lot of crazy ideas but these didn't form a dominant orthodoxy within the left. People defended their ideas and respected, or at least tolerated, the ideas others were defending. N… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/01/24 02:07 PM |
| 12 | Whataboutism is a justified and logical response in certain contexts, such as the dominance of women's issues over men's issues in terms of public attentionFeminists hate "whataboutism" because it directly engages with the implicit argument which is the actual reason for the explicit argument they are making. They insist that they are just drawing attention to issues women face in order to have these issues addressed. However, the unproductive way they do this makes it clear that the actual point is collective guilt. The goal is maintaining the belief that all men must grovel to all women in the vain hope of forgiveness for all of the wrong men do … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/01/24 11:31 PM |
| 21 | Gen Z men are leaning more conservative while Gen Z women are much more liberalModern social justice isn't liberal. It took up many causes initially championed by liberalism but its approach is totally counter to liberal values. It is conformist and authoritarian. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/01/24 09:44 AM |
| 5 | what label and school of thinking would you apply to Bell Hooks besides the broad term feminism?Sure, if you're starting from the view that men in general are comparable to heroin addicts then yes, bell hooks had a compassionate and understanding take on men. However, that view is itself the problem. This sub generally does not accept the "men are the problem" one-sided oppressor-oppressed view pushed by most feminists. The view taken is more that men in general have no more to apologize for than women in general. The problem is society, something both men and women actively maintain and a… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/12/23 01:15 AM |
| 8 | what label and school of thinking would you apply to Bell Hooks besides the broad term feminism?"You suck but I understand why you suck" really isn't the sort of understanding I'm looking for. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/12/23 11:46 PM |
| 8 | what label and school of thinking would you apply to Bell Hooks besides the broad term feminism?whenever I have read hooks i find nothing but understanding for men https://www.reddit.com/r/FeMRADebates/s/uKLJuIH0ME The term "patriarchal violence" is useful because unlike the more accepted phrase "domestic violence" it continually reminds the listener that violence in the home is connected to sexism and sexist thinking, to male domination. ... Males as a group have and do benefit the most from patriarchy, from the assumption that they are superior to females and should rule over us. But tho… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/12/23 11:23 PM |
| 44 | When have women ever been the gender more expected to do emotional labor?It is funny that feminism treats the ides that society is built on male perspectives as undeniable fact but then constantly disproves it by demonstrating total obliviousness to male experiences. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/12/23 11:05 PM |
| 7 | "You should read Bell Hooks" a semi-rant about the experience of talking to feministsMay I ask why you generally don't participate on FEMRAdebates anymore? Over time, many of the better participants moved on and the quality of discussion fell significantly. The sub just became a place where the same superficial topics were rehashed repeatedly and it wasn't worth writing a high-effort post/response because it was extremely unlikely you would get any meaningful engagement. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/11/23 07:50 AM |
| 39 | "You should read Bell Hooks" a semi-rant about the experience of talking to feministsYears ago, after repeatedly hearing the same thing. I read one of her books and shared my thoughts in detail. https://www.reddit.com/r/FeMRADebates/s/dQLXSdOrSW She was far from the worst feminist but if she was the best then I'm not impressed. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/11/23 11:58 AM |
| 3 | What unique experiences do you face as an autistic man and how do you deal with them?I was diagnosed with ASD and ADHD at the age of 40. I had suspected ASD since my early 20s but didn't look into it because that was right in the middle of the wave of people aelf-diagnosing with Asperger's and everyone else mocking them for it. ADHD was a surprise because my mental image of ADHD was the loud disruptive kid who couldn't sit still in class. I wasn't a great student but I didn't draw attention to myself. I bring up ADHD because it is related to ASD and the symptoms interact in ways… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/10/23 04:56 AM |
| 2 | Concerning 'woke', and the notion of the undefinableAnd I don't have a problem with that other than being annoyed at the grammar involved. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/10/23 11:47 PM |
| 3 | Concerning 'woke', and the notion of the undefinableI don't understand the question. My issues is not with anyone's gender identity. It is with the fact that generally pronouns can replace the nouns they represent in a sentence without modifying any other part of the sentence but singular "they" still operates as a plural grammatically. For example, "Ashley is awesome." If Ashely is he or she then you just replace Ashley. "He is awesome." "She is awesome." But if Ashely is "they" then you have to change the "is." "They are awesome." It just bugs … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/10/23 09:17 AM |
| 6 | Concerning 'woke', and the notion of the undefinableI don't really have an issue with preferred pronouns themselves (other than they/them because it breaks grammar in ways that make my Autistic brain very uncomfortable - i've never really been happy with the use of singular they/them/their as a placeholder either). My issue is with the way they are used for social leverage. We generally speak without deliberately thinking about the individual words and we insert "he" for a person we read as male and "she" for someone we read as female. This movem… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/10/23 11:37 PM |
| 13 | "Men's greatest fear in pursuing relationship with a woman is that he will be laughed at or rejected. Women's greatest fear is that she will be physically harmed-raped-killed." -Thoughts?Core to most anti-semitism is the idea that Jewish people wield disproportionate power. While anti-semites probably won't refer to what they do as "punching up," it is precisely how they see it. In the mind of an anti-semite, they are fighting the Jewish conspiracy in exactly the same way feminists are fighting the patriarchy | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/09/23 01:13 PM |
| 5 | "Men's greatest fear in pursuing relationship with a woman is that he will be laughed at or rejected. Women's greatest fear is that she will be physically harmed-raped-killed." -Thoughts?Let's assume that the quote is true. It certainly feels truthy enough to become a feminist mantra. This is a perfect illustration of the power women hold over men, invalidating the female oppression narratives pushed by the same feminists who recite this. Men fear the judgement of women more than death. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/09/23 11:48 PM |
| 18 | "Men's greatest fear in pursuing relationship with a woman is that he will be laughed at or rejected. Women's greatest fear is that she will be physically harmed-raped-killed." -Thoughts?Yeah, the implication that probabilities are in any way comparable is probably the most dishonest thing about this quote. Rejection is the most likely outcome of approaching a woman. If you're a woman in a first world nation, especially if you are of the socioeconomic class of the sort of women who repeat this stuff, your chances of being murdered are vanishingly small. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/09/23 11:29 PM |
| 46 | "Men's greatest fear in pursuing relationship with a woman is that he will be laughed at or rejected. Women's greatest fear is that she will be physically harmed-raped-killed." -Thoughts?It's not our fault that misandry parallels anti-black racism so well. "Women/white people are right to hate and fear men/black people because statistics show they are dangerous." "I don't care that men/black people are disproportionately likely to be victims of violence because that violence is at the hands of other men/black people." "The higher incarceration rate of men/black people is because they commit more crime, so it isn't a systemic issue." "Women/white people need their own spaces wher… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/09/23 11:04 PM |
| 10 | Request: examples of 'controlling the narrative'It is also darkly funny. A suicide gesture (something that looks like a suicide attempt but where there was no real intent to die) is far more likely to be done for the effect it has on others. Any guesses why the stats show that women "attempt" more? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/08/23 11:12 PM |
| 1 | Female entitlement"Entitlement" is a funny word. It is an accusation we only make about a person when we believe they are not entitled to something. You aren't called entitled when you demand something you are actually entitled to. If you have done your job but your employer has not paid your salary, nobody is going to accuse you of entitlement for complaining. This is why male entitlement is such a popular concept. The general attitude is that men aren't owed anything. Any expression of dissatisfaction with what… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/07/23 04:34 AM |
| 3 | I'm not sure if that article should make me laugh or cryperpetually aggrieved It is hilarious that a feminist thinks she has any right to accuse other people of this. The entire point of modern feminism is promoting a sense of aggievement in women. | /r/EverydayMisandry | 27/11/22 12:02 AM |
| 11 | What is up with society creep shaming autistic men?I have seen the woke/anti-woke culture war characterised as a battle between cluster-B personality disorders and autism. Honestly, it makes a lot of sense. If you look up the symptoms of cluster B disorders, especially Narcissistic personality disorder, modern trendy social justice seems to be designed to allow someone to indulge these personality flaws while pretending they are virtues. At the same time, the movement is extremely hostile to autistic men. I ranted about this on another subreddit… | /r/MensRights | 21/11/22 11:15 AM |
| 9 | When did talking about men's problems become "sexist and misogynistic"?Many aspects of modern feminism can be best understood as projection. In its malignant forms, it is a defense mechanism in which the ego defends itself against disowned and highly negative parts of the self by denying their existence in themselves and attributing them to others, breeding misunderstanding and causing untold interpersonal damage. A bully may project their own feelings of vulnerability onto the target, or a person who is confused may project feelings of confusion and inadequacy ont… | /r/MensRights | 17/11/22 03:44 AM |
| 19 | Talk or shut up, which one do you want?I find that a lot of people demanding that men express their feelings have an unspoken step 1 in that process: Have the right feelings. Express your feelings. I made a post a while back somewhat related: https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/ki0bgq/the_contradiction_in_how_trendy_feminism_deals/ | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/09/22 01:23 AM |
| 17 | A bit of my story and why I don't like some commonly given advice.Statement that are true in isolation can be false in context. Yes, men aren't entitled to women's bodies, but who is suggesting they are? It is the same as giving women the advice that "you aren't entitled to men's money". True? Yes, in isolation, but in any dating context it is a derogatory statement. This is a popular trend in feminism and other social justice movements from the same mold. You make a statement which is simple and unarguable in order to slip the implications of the statement by… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/09/22 03:20 AM |
| 3 | what are your thoughts on people saying feminism benefits men?Dictionary feminism benefits men. Dismantling gender and the restrictions, pressures and assumptions which come with it helps everyone. However, few people who identify as feminist are dictionary feminists. The more common feminist position is that all of humanity's problems are due to the fact that men suck. If feminism can make men suck less then it will solve everyone's problems, even men's. Many feminists have pushed bell hooks as an example of a feminist who was not hostile to men and sugge… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/09/22 04:00 AM |
| 6 | Should boys start school a year later than girls?Mathematics is an interesting case because is starts off heavily rote but as you go up through the years in school it relies on actually understanding what you are doing. You start with things like memorising multiplication tables. This doesn't require a huge amount of intelligence but does requite that you drill over and over again. Girls excell here because they are more "mature." ( "Mature" here really means "eager to please authority figures.) By the time you graduate high school, mathematic… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/09/22 10:34 AM |
| 18 | Feminism has resulted in only male characters having interesting writingThere are still well-written female characters to be found. Please find them and support the writers writing them. I just finished watching season 2 of The Great. It is a heavily fictionalised story of Catherine the Great of Russia. The lead character is strong and competent and rises to meet challenges but she is also flawed in meaningful ways (not the usual "doesn't believe in herself enough" flaw strong women are generally given). She is naive and arrogant and she doesn't listen to allies who… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/09/22 12:41 AM |
| 8 | In my personal opinion, I don't think current feminism is left wing.Putting aside the term "woke" for a moment... Politics have never neatly fit on a 1-dimensional spectrum from left to right. For a long time, there were two distinct (but only incompatible in their extremes) philosophies considered to be "left- wing." There is liberalism. In over-simplified terms, that is the idea that we should interfere as little as possible with people's ability to live the life they want and express themselves. Then there is socialism. Again over-simplified, this is the idea… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/09/22 05:31 AM |
| 14 | Thoughts on the phrase “not all men” and more specifically the general reaction to it?While I understand the instinct to react to misandrist generalisations with "not all men," it is exactly the wrong response. "Not all men are/do X" implies that the vast majority of men are/do X. It is merely begging that the few exceptions (especially the man saying it) be acknowledged. In almost every (I want to say every because I have never seen a counter-example but let's hedge just in case) case, the vast majority of men aren't/don't X. This is what needs to be pointed out. When you say "n… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/07/22 08:00 PM |
| 15 | ''Men are ruggedly individualistic, women are socially-minded'', what is your take on this talking point from feminists and using it as some sort of cop out and shift the blame back on men for their lack of social advoacy?Basically the entire feminist framework is an exercise in projection. Patriarchy is how feminists (who tend to be women with extremely strong gender-based ingroup bias) know they would act if they had power (and how we have seen many act when they have been given power). They would absolutely abuse their power to help elevate women and keep men in their place. Meanwhile, men tend not to have this gender-based ingroup bias. They have actually been shown to have the opposite and frequently favor w… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/06/22 11:58 PM |
| 6 | Why are women objectified in your opinion?Wanted to know what you feel is the reason for blatant objectification of women? Currently, when someone complains about women being objectified they really mean women are being sexualised. Objectification and sexualisation are not the same thing. "Sexual objectification" was a buzz word for a long time and the two concepts became linked in everyone's mind so now anytime a woman is sexualised, people count it as objectification. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objectification According to Martha N… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/05/22 08:11 AM |
| 51 | What do you guys think about this? I definitely think he should have helped, but was it his obligation to help?Toxic masculinity is the pressure on men to put themselves in danger for others | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/03/22 02:18 PM |
| 75 | renaming men’s rightsmen do very largely have same rights as women legally Men lack the right to protection from gender-based discrimination against them. It's legal to preferentially hire women. Where I live (Australia) it's apparently legal to have an woman-only company and advertise yourself on that basis. In many places, men and only men are forced into military service. The draft in the US is still male only and even in places without national service or draft registration, history shows that in times of need i… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/02/22 02:39 AM |
| 8 | The top post of r/feminism. What the fuck?Honestly, this already happened. By the user-friendly definitions of feminism basically everyone is a feminist. The vast majority believe that men and women have equal value and that people shouldn't be held back from careers and hobbies on the basis of gender. We recognised this and stopped calling ourselves "feminist" because it wasn't meaningful to wear a label which identified you as believing what almost everyone else also believed. The thing this quote misses is that the people who held on… | /r/AntiFeminists | 08/02/22 07:19 AM |
| 3 | When the heck will this stop; I wonder what WON’T offend feminists?!To play their game... This attitude is ableist. Many of the people who use "females" are on the autism spectrum and they aren't dehumanising women, they simply don't see the difference. Getting offended over subtle language issues is neurotypical privilege. | /r/AntiFeminists | 06/01/22 01:21 AM |
| 6 | RIP Bell HooksI feel somewhat uncomfortable speaking ill of the dead here and I believe bell hooks did mean well when it came to men. However, the ideology she was deeply invested in and that she promoted passionately is the foundation for the misandry we see from the worst parts of feminism. I think she should be recognised for being one of the best feminist thinkers when it comes to men but we should remember that does not mean her work, in total, was good for men, just that it was less harmful than others'… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/12/21 10:59 PM |
| 6 | RIP Bell HooksThat depends on your definition of "patriarchy." The way many feminists use it is "men's oppression of women." In this case, "patriarchy hurts men too" means "men suffer some negative side-effects from oppressing women." Even bell hooks said this. Males as a group have and do benefit the most from patriarchy, from the assumption that they are superior to females and should rule over us. But those benefits have come with a price. In return for all the goodies men receive from patriarchy, they are… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/12/21 10:42 PM |
| 5 | Menslib talking bollocks about false accusationsPeople interested in the male side of equality care specifically about false rape accusations due to the cultural context we find ourselves in. First, a rape accusation marks you in a way other accusations don't. Someone accused of murder and found not guilty will likely be able to get on with their life. Hell, there are convicted and confessed murderers who went on to become popular celebrities. A rape accusation will stick with you for life, even if you are found not guilty in court. People wi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/12/21 10:34 AM |
| 68 | “Men are killed… by other men”Why is this always the counter argument when you mention that men face more violence than women? This question came up here before and I think it is one of the things which reveals what modern popular feminism is really all about. It's not about equality. It's not even about making things better for women. It's just a moral battle of the sexes, mostly to promote female in-group identity. It's about promoting and validating a sense of grievance in women, directed at men. Why? Because the aggrieve… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/11/21 08:28 AM |
| 14 | For a subreddit with so many open socialists, I still cannot fucking BELIEVE that MensLib explicitly bans discussion of "paper abortion"I'm not disagreeing with you but I do want to share a link related to my comment. It's an article from SlateStarCodex and I think there's a lot of wisdom about the culture war in it. I Can Tolerate Anything Except The Outgroup It's about in-groups and out-groups and, among other things, how the obvious in-group isn't necessarily the group one identifies with and how one can criticize a group they appear to belong to because they don't really feel like they are part of that group. Here are the mo… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/11/21 01:27 AM |
| 34 | For a subreddit with so many open socialists, I still cannot fucking BELIEVE that MensLib explicitly bans discussion of "paper abortion"While I think "self-hating" might be accurate for some, most seem to exempt themselves from the hate they direct at men. The count themselves as superior so none of their generalizations of men actually apply to them. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/11/21 12:11 AM |
| 75 | For a subreddit with so many open socialists, I still cannot fucking BELIEVE that MensLib explicitly bans discussion of "paper abortion""Paper Abortion" is really the wrong name for the concept. It's not analogous to abortion. You don't prevent the child from existing. What it is equivalent to is a different legal right women have which is currently under no legal threat and is unlikely to ever be: the right to give up a child (eg for adoption) Even without abortion, women are secure in their right to opt out of the responsibilities of parenthood. LPS would just be giving men the same. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/11/21 11:07 PM |
| 14 | I feel like gender discourse has only made my dysphoria worse.My Gender Dysphoria is a big part of my anger at feminism. I'm AMAB and experience gender dysphoria. I started seeing a psychiatrist when I was 18 with the intention of having them sign off on me getting hormones and eventually surgery. However, this was 2 decades ago and the world was a very different place for trans women back then and I realised that in order to become a woman I'd be sacrificing every other part of my life, with a very real possibility of actually sacrificing my life. So I ul… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/11/21 07:33 AM |
| 60 | Where are the AMAB non-binary folks?The cost to someone AMAB performing a non-binary gender is far higher. People who are read as female can choose what they like from masculine and feminine presentation and behavior with little consequence. People who are read as male face serious social and professional consequences for taking on aspects of feminine presentation. Depending on where you are it can even draw violent reactions. When we are talking about people who actually transition (trans men and trans women) that is provoked by … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/10/21 03:11 AM |
| 2 | How much female caution about men is acceptable without being considered misandrist?There's no reason to believe the over-complicated feminist myths about rape being used by men to maintain patriarchal control when there's a far simpler explanation. Sex is something most men want. A small minority of men are prepared to violate laws and personal boundaries in order to get it. In this sense, property crime is a decent analog. People want stuff. A minority of people are prepared to violate laws and personal boundaries in order to get it. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/10/21 04:34 AM |
| 2 | How much female caution about men is acceptable without being considered misandrist?That's the feminist narrative. I think that the motivation is much simpler. If someone breaks into your house and steals your TV, did they want to send a message or did they just want your TV? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/10/21 11:03 PM |
| 53 | Debunking the theory that misandry isn't widely practiced or institutionalizedIf we are defining misandry as the hatred of men rather than just sexism against men then we must similarly define misogyny as hatred of women. Very little of what is called misogyny is hatred. Most of it is far better described as a lack of respect. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/10/21 05:32 AM |
| 102 | How much female caution about men is acceptable without being considered misandrist?Be as cautious as you like. Just remember your fear doesn't prove anything. Don't imagine that you narrowly avoided rape because you thought a guy was creepy and you moved away. You don't get to count that event as evidence that women are under constant attack from misogynists because until a man actually dies something, it is all in your head. My issue is that this paranoia becomes self-reinforcing. A woman thinks she is surrounded by men who are just waiting for an opportunity to rape her. She… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/10/21 09:34 AM |
| 121 | In ‘The Last Duel,’ Matt Damon and Ben Affleck Want You to Know They Know Men Are BadThis is an article in Mel Magazine, A site which claims to be for men but it's the same misandry we get everywhere else. My attention was drawn by the title. I thought maybe it would be an article calling out the cheap virtue signalling through vilification of men, done even by men themselves. I was of course disappointed. I knew I would be as soon as I realised which site I was on. But beyond the raised awareness of sexual assault in our society that #MeToo prompted, the movement also underline… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/10/21 07:29 AM |
| 10 | Why is "but men are the majority of perpetrators" brought up when talking about male victims?Modern feminism makes a lot more sense when you interpret is as an expression of female in-group identity. Women tend to identify with other women solely on the basis of gender far more than men identify with their own gender. An in-group needs an out-group and if the in-group is women then the out-group is men. This in-group/out-group dynamic taps in to a whole lot of tribal instincts. There's 2 which I think are relevant in this context. The first is the need to elevate the in-group and/or vil… | /r/MensRights | 14/10/21 03:44 AM |
| 4 | Corporations are not your fucking friend and you should not take politics from them. Don't let them influence you.Occupy really looks like the turning point. It was the last time a left-wing movement which really challenged those in power got traction. It was also largely the rise of modern "intersectional" social justice which led to its failure. It started with a very clear message on economic inequality but then ideas like the "progressive stack" (your right to speak is inversely proportional to your identity-based privilege) took hold. Assetrions of social debt between men and women and between white pe… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/09/21 10:40 PM |
| 5 | Corporations are not your fucking friend and you should not take politics from them. Don't let them influence you.Pretty much all left wing activism which gets traction in the modern west is this sort of corporate wokeness. It has the illusion of radicalism and it feels great to join in and chant the slogans but it doesn't challenge those in power in any meaningful way. While we are busy accusing each other of microaggressions, the rich and powerful remain quite secure. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/09/21 08:13 AM |
| 31 | "Men doing it to other men"Ultimately, a lot of pop-feminism is just a moral battle of the sexes dressed up as progressive activism. The whole point is beliving that women are morally superior to men or perhaps that men owe women some sort of social debt. All that matters in this world view is what men do to women and what women do to men. Men harming men doesn't affect the score. We get a +1 for the victim and a -1 for the villain. When you try to discuss male victims. What these people hear is that you're trying to chan… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/09/21 03:31 AM |
| 33 | You cannot advocate for men's rights without being a feminist. You cannot be a feminist without advocatin for men's rights."Feminist" means many different things. Such a broad range of things that without first stating the definition you are using it conveys no meaning at all. Are you talking someone who simply believes in gender equality? Are you talking about someone who is an activist for women's rights? Are you talking about someone who accepts the dogma of a particular brand of feminism? If so, which one? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/09/21 10:27 AM |
| 50 | What is the difference between r/mensrights and this sub?/r/MensRights tends to take the attitude "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" when it comes to tradcons and even the alt-right (where the common enemy is modern feminism). There are a few problems with this. It gives people ammunition to use against the MRM. They can easily point to someone's right-wing take and use that to paint the whole movement. It ignores that MRAs disagree with contemporary feminism for the exact opposite reason traditionalists do. Traditionalists hate what feminism claims… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/09/21 07:40 AM |
| 15 | if LWMA were to host an AMA who are some people you would like to see.Liana Kerzner. She wears many hats but I am mostly aware of her through her YouTube channel where she talks about video gaming with a heavy focus on how it intersects with social justice. She identifies as feminist but isn't what most people here might imagine when they hear that label. In GamerGate, she was something of a neutral. She was critical of both sides and hated by both sides. For me, she is a great alternative to Anita Sarkeesian for socially conscious video game criticism. Unlike Sar… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/09/21 05:04 AM |
| 3 | What is really the problem with sexbots?"Fungible" does not mean "replacable." Outside of specific interpersonal bonds (parent/child, spouse, etc.) everyone is replaceable. "Fungible" is closer to "indistinguishable." It means you can swap one for the other and nobody would notice the difference. I am a senior software developer. I am absolutely replaceable. There are millions of other people out there who are qualified to do my job. I am, however, not fungible. I have many friends who are also software developers, as good as I am. If… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/08/21 05:27 AM |
| 6 | What is really the problem with sexbots?Notice that a vital element of each of those items is a person. It's "treating the person..." A sex robot is not a person. It literally is an object. You cannot objectify an object. It simply is an object. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/08/21 04:25 AM |
| 10 | What is really the problem with sexbots?I think that, mostly, the actual problem people have with men getting sexual release from anything other than a committed relationship with a woman is that they think men's only reason for contributing to society is the pursuit of sex. There's an episode of Futurama where Fry dates a robot copy of Lucy Liu. In it his coworkers make him watch a educational video which explicitly states this. Yes it is a joke but jokes draw from real attitudes, either expressing the joker's own attitudes or commen… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/08/21 12:22 AM |
| 120 | I'm really uncomfortable with posts like this. How is this helping anyone? This isn't empowering men. It's convincing them that they are exclusively the problem.Ugh. He asserts that men who claim to be abused are really just abusers Fortunately, that was too much even for MensLib | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/08/21 10:08 PM |
| 12 | Why can people literally not handle the idea of the empathy gap towards men?On the "bro code," the saying "bros before hos" is an interesting one to dissect. People like to point to this as proof of a male in-group bias because they insist on reading it as "men before women." However, "bros" is not men. It is friends and "hos" is not women. It is women you are in relatively new sexual relationships with. It is a reminder to not abandon your friends because you have a new girlfriend. The reason we have that reminder is that this is exactly what happens in many cases. A m… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/08/21 07:09 PM |
| 41 | Why can people literally not handle the idea of the empathy gap towards men?The trans thing is tricky. I struggle to explain the rapid acceptance of trans people, not just in feminism but by the whole of society. I recall the only representation of trans women was being treated basically as freaks on Jerry Springer 20 years ago and now we have mainstream trans woman celebrities. This change took far longer for homosexual people. The best I can come up with is that trans acceptance really doesn't impact most peoples lives much. I've met like 4 trans women and 3 of them w… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/08/21 03:01 AM |
| 80 | Why can people literally not handle the idea of the empathy gap towards men?Change makes people uncomfortable. Not just those who identify as conservative. It's actually a rather rare person who is open to significant challenges to the status quo. Talking about men's issues is threatening change. We are asking people to change the way they think about men, the way they talk about men and the way the treat men in deep and significant ways. This is the secret of modern feminism's success. It doesn't challenge the status quo. It certainly creates the illusion that it does … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/08/21 01:50 AM |
| 3 | Men's rights isn't reactionaryYes. It has a definition but the accusation made against the MRM is simply that it is a reaction to feminism. Also, even in proper usage, it's still rather meaningless. It's more a subjective judgement than an objective description of a movement. In Nazi Germany, there would have been many who desired a return to the pre-Nazi days. They held political views that favored a return to a previous political state of society that they believed possessed positive characteristics that were absent in the… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/08/21 05:02 AM |
| 11 | Men's rights isn't reactionary"Reactionary" is such a meaningless word. Antifa is a reaction to fascism. BLM is a reaction to racism. Communism is a reaction to capitalism. So yes, the MRM is "reactionary" in that it is a reaction to the misandry in society and that includes the misandry present in socially-dominant forms of feminism. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/08/21 03:05 AM |
| 2 | Why do some of you choose the label "anti-feminist" instead of "anti-hate" or others?I oppose feminism because it's a shield for hate. Hate is easy to oppose. Of course hate is bad. Who would support hate? The problem is that what one person considers hate, another does not. Feminism is seen by many as a good thing. They think that nothing feminism does could possibly be hate and this allows a lot of hate to hide behind the label. Things we recognize as blatantly hateful are seen by many as not bad or even good when done in the name of feminism. You'll be told it's not hate, it'… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/08/21 06:44 AM |
| 2 | For trans members/viewers: how do you feel mens issues and misandry impact youI've seen that article before but never read it in its entirety. I find it too hard. I'll scroll through and start reading a section at random and find it so relatable it's painful. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/07/21 06:16 AM |
| 4 | For trans members/viewers: how do you feel mens issues and misandry impact youNot really trans but I think my experiences are relevant. For most intents and purposes I am a man but I wanted to be a girl since my earliest memories. I did almost start transitioning when I turned 18 but this was 2 decades ago and things were a lot worse for trans women back then and I found navigating social situations scary enough already. When I decided not to transition. I found ways to manage my gender dysphoria. The main one is that I try to live as an individual rather than a man. I mi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/07/21 05:08 AM |
| 37 | Why do people accept discrimination against men based on past experiences but not discrimination against women?I think that social media has screwed with people's understanding of the distinction between private conversation and public statements. Venting in private among friends is perfectly fine and healthy even if you make sweeping, totally unsupportable, generalizations and leave out all nuance. If a woman just had a fight with her boyfriend, I totally understand her going to her friends and declaring that "all men are pigs" and all of her friends enthusiastically agreeing. Where it becomes unaccepta… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/07/21 04:30 AM |
| 54 | Has anyone else noticed a general hostility towards men on the autism spectrum within leftist spaces?This is certainly something I've been noticing for a while. I finally wrote about it a few months ago: https://np.reddit.com/r/FeMRADebates/comments/l2jt90/neurodiversity_a_forgotten_intersectional_axis/ I'm conflating nerds and people with autism somewhat and many people may find that disagreeable but, even if most nerds aren't diagnosably autistic, being a nerd is defined by a number of traits associated with autism. There's also definitely a greater ratio of people on the spectrum in nerd com… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/07/21 05:40 AM |
| 20 | Just this late night experience I had with a lesbian talking about MRAMen can't have abortions either. Abortion is the go-to example for feminists to "prove" that women don't have equal rights but it doesn't work that way. It's not a right men have which women don't. It's something impossible for (cis) men do do and there's no analogous freedom unique to men either. If cis men could be pregnant, the same restrictions would apply to a pregnant cis man. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/06/21 01:08 AM |
| 39 | Just this late night experience I had with a lesbian talking about MRAMen have aaaaall the rights! This reaction is absurd but so common. Yes women face many issues which men don't or at least don't to the same degree but if we look at rights, there's not a single right men have which women don't (in modern western democracies). The reverse is not true. All gendered laws favor women, all gendered differences in the application of laws favor women and almost all gendered institutional rules favor women (and those which don't aren't likely to last long because they … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/06/21 12:33 AM |
| 1 | What does being 'left-wing' mean for you as a male advocate?Destroying gender roles would not mean that there would not still be noticeable differences in the distributions of traits between men and women. It would simply mean that the people aren't pressured to act against their own inclinations in order to conform to their gender. In fact, trying to force men to not perform masculinity would not be the destruction of gender roles. It is simply a new gender role. An expectation placed on men due to their gender. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/06/21 01:51 AM |
| 1 | What does being 'left-wing' mean for you as a male advocate?I think that "left-wing" means too many different things to different people. For example, many firmly believe that you must be a socialist (never mind all the different meanings that word can have) to be left wing. That's an economic question and is largely tangential to the social questions dealt with here. Also, I've seen the "left-wing" label of this sub used as to call for ideological purity, that you can't call yourself left wing unless you agree on certain dogmas. Socially, I'm firmly lib… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/06/21 06:58 AM |
| 1 | What does being 'left-wing' mean for you as a male advocate?I personally think that the "left wing" in this subreddit's name is somewhat ill-fitting for what I understand the purpose of this sub to be. There are 3 major ideological positions relevant to the discussion of men's issues. There's traditionalism. People who take this position are basically happy with gender roles. They think that they are a good thing. There's feminism. This word has many meanings but I'm using it to mean the currently dominant form of feminism. This is a movement which assum… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/06/21 03:23 AM |
| 2 | Feminist legacybut women cannot match the brutality of men Incompetence in vice is not virtue. | /r/AntiFeminists | 28/05/21 02:23 AM |
| 3 | I came across this. And I thought it was relevant for discussion here. People who are bullied for things outside of their control will lash out. That's why the idea of "acceptable targets" needs to stop.Being 'good at school' was also targeted, regardless of interests or socialness. I believed that until I got into a programme for academically gifted students and was bullied by the other gifted kids. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/05/21 05:39 AM |
| 3 | I came across this. And I thought it was relevant for discussion here. People who are bullied for things outside of their control will lash out. That's why the idea of "acceptable targets" needs to stop.I don't think nerds were bullied for their interests. Our interests were certainly targeted as part of the bullying but it wasn't the motivation. I strongly suspect that those of use who might be classified as nerds or geeks have traits which are associated with autism. Most of us would not be diagnosed with autism spectrum disorder but the traits are certainly there. For example, difficulty navigating social situations and obsessive interests. So yes, you might say it was our personalities but … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/05/21 02:22 PM |
| 3 | An increasing amount of people are accusing MensLib of all places of turning into MRA lite and I don‘t get itIf you let men talk about their feelings and experiences it is inevitable that they will contradict feminist ideology. Feminism is explicitly built on women's perspectives. Just is justified by the assertion that, under patriarchy, men's perspectives were always heard. Of course, this is not true. It only looks true from the perspective of someone unaware of the things men are pressured to not share. That is, it looks true in a world view based on the perspectives of women. Yes, those in positio… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/05/21 08:09 AM |
| 19 | The logic of x issue affecting men is actually caused by misogynymen trying to take what belongs to women One thing I have noticed is that certain things line up if you look at men and women as analogous to peasants and aristocrats respectively. We can start with fashion. Men's clothing is primarily functional. There's little in the way of superfluous decoration and they generally allow a man to be physically useful. This is like peasants. Their clothing didn't have fancy colours and embellishments and allowed for the physical labour that they had to do. Wome… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/04/21 07:08 AM |
| 49 | The logic of x issue affecting men is actually caused by misogynyOne thing to note is that men don't really get called feminine. They are called effeminate. There's no such thing as a feminine man, only an effeminate man. To most people, femininity is bound to femaleness. It is off limits to men. Men can only embody a mockery of it and that is what is hated. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/04/21 04:48 AM |
| 14 | The double standard of hating menI've had traumatic experiences with women and members of a number of minority races. I guess I am now exempt from accusations of misogyny and racism. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/04/21 09:37 AM |
| 0 | Are there "Alpha" and "Beta" men?It depends on how far you take it. There absolutely is a set of qualities which make a man sexually attractive to women in general and a different (although potentially overlapping) set of qualities which make a man an attractive long term partner to women in general. We can identify the men who have a large number of qualities from the first set and label them alpha. We can do the same for the second set and label them beta. We could then generalise about these groups and how women (and other m… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/04/21 11:27 PM |
| 7 | What's your opinion of businesses that go out of their way to emphasize that they're "women owned"?I hate that it works as marketing. The gender of the owner should be irrelevant. I cannot blame them for using marketing which works. Of course I will avoid being a customer because I don't want to encourage it. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/03/21 01:05 AM |
| 4 | What you need to know before talking about issues on this sub.Well I am talking about liberalism as it literally means not as it is used. I agree that if we just consider common usage that liberalism is a dangerous word. Some conservatives call authoritarian social justice "liberal" while that things are fundamentally counter to liberalism. Other conservatives call themselves "classical liberals" while preaching socially conservative values. The far left spits "liberal" as though it were an insult at anyone who challenges identity politics, trying to paint… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/03/21 04:39 AM |
| 2 | What you need to know before talking about issues on this sub.Economically that's true. Socially, authoritarian far-left views are extremely popular. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/03/21 03:03 AM |
| 3 | What you need to know before talking about issues on this sub.Liberalism is a broad category but there's a core to it which is undeniably socially left. Economically, it ranges from quite left-wing to extremely right wing but as we're in the social justice space here, it's the social aspect which is important. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/03/21 03:01 AM |
| 6 | What you need to know before talking about issues on this sub.To the current popular left, liberalism is right wing. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/03/21 11:45 PM |
| 1 | Telling boys to just “not rape” people is very lazy advice that doesn’t actually address the problemThis sort of rhetoric is not meant to be taken literally. You have to understand it in the context which provoked it. It's intended as a darkly humorous response to advice given to women on how to avoid being raped. The list mirrors common suggestions such as avoid getting drunk at parties, don't walk alone at night, don't mislead men about your sexual interest... The idea is to call this advice out as victim blaming. It is flipping the responsibility from being on women to being on men to illus… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/03/21 05:38 AM |
| 1 | Who's throwing rocks?This presentation is based on a false symmetry. You're looking at feminists and men. "Feminists" is a group that people opt in to. If you're a feminist then you chose to be and you can stop being that at any moment. "Men" is a group based on an accident of birth. Leaving aside the discussion of trans men and women, if you're a man then you didn't choose to be one and you cannot stop being one. Attacking feminists and attacking men are not morally equivalent. One is attacking someone for their ch… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/03/21 05:44 AM |
| 4 | Check your privilege sweety 💅The problem is that they keep putting modern woke social justice warriors in the libertarian-left quadrant. Their nonsense belongs in the authoritarian left quadrant. They love censorship and imposing rules for your own good. | /r/AntiFeminists | 28/01/21 01:09 AM |
| 4 | Men who believe that masculinity is toxic or harmful have lower self-esteem and worse metal health than men who embrace their masculinity and see it as a good thingIn my case, it's the lack of utility in most doctor's visits. I've never had a GP solve a problem. GPs really can't do much beyond referring you to a specialist or writing a note to prove to your boss you really were sick. It's a complete waste of time and money to sit in a waiting room until 45 minutes after my booked appointment and then pay $60 to be told it's a virus and all I can do is wait it out. I knew that already. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/01/21 12:56 AM |
| 7 | What happened to r/menslib?They like to keep an absurdly tight grip on the conversation. My guess is that a control-freak mod is going to be away from their PC over Christmas so they have made the sub private to ensure no wrongthink gets through. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/12/20 03:29 PM |
| 3 | "The privilege backfiring"The commenter doesn't understand the words they are using. "Male privilege" and "patriarchy" are not interchangeable concepts. Patriarchy is used many different ways but, most broadly, it is the idea that those who hold authority should be men. This of course is the motte definition. The bailey includes a whole lot of bullshit that I'm not going to unpack here. Privilege, as used by most feminists, is a unidirectional advantage. Male privilege means that, all other things being equal, it is an a… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/12/20 01:22 AM |
| 3 | "Why Men are the Truly Weaker Sex"Feminsm: women have been dominated by men for all of history. Also Feminism: Women are superior to men in every way. I have to wonder how such inferior beings managed to treat women as second class citizens for so long. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/11/20 10:37 PM |
| 2 | Ask LWMA weekly threadIf you are open to advice which may or may not apply in your situation then the biggest thing for me was developing an internal locus of control, or what you might call agency. Don't treat life as something that happens to you. Be an active participant. Left to themselves, things don't get better, you have to do something to make them better. You won't always succeed but you will have victories and those will improve your self esteem and more importantly prove to yourself that you can succeed so… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/11/20 03:38 AM |
| 3 | Ask LWMA weekly threadAfter high school it took me a few years to heal and develop some self confidence but that was a long time ago. I'm 39 now and life is a lot better. I hope you are doing better too. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/11/20 02:17 AM |
| 5 | Ask LWMA weekly threadI have experienced gender dysphoria for as long as I can remember. At 18 I started looking in to transitioning to female and got as far as being on hormone blockers to prevent any further damage from testosterone. However, I realised I could not go through with it. While I definitely want to live as a woman, I don't think I could live as a trans woman. I have social issues and navigating the process and worrying about passing would be overwhelming. I manage my gender dysphoria by trying not to t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/11/20 01:35 AM |
| 1 | Do u think its a coincidence?Men and toilets getting the same day actually makes a lot of sense. They do dirty jobs and people don't like to think about them except when they need to use one but without them, we're up to our armpits in shit. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/11/20 10:36 AM |
| 6 | Snow White and the Seven DorksDon't worry. I'm not making any judgement of the film. My daughter would never forgive me if I said bad things about it. This is not, as some have suggested, intended as some sort of anti-feminist version of lazy post-modern deconstruction where I sit in judgement of the movie and its makers and declare my moral and intellectual superiority by finding them problematic. I'm putting a spin on some of the events of the movie in a failed attempt to raise discussion of a pattern through which many ne… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/11/20 11:07 PM |
| 3 | Snow White and the Seven DorksI think some people are misunderstanding the intention of this post. It is not a criticism of the movie. It is using the movie to frame a dynamic observed in real life. The dwarves may be non-human in the movie. That isn't really made clear. However that only reinforces my point. The woke colonisers of nerd spaces don't see the nerdy occupants as completely human either. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/11/20 10:44 PM |
| 9 | "Excuse me, i'm talking" is sexism when a man say it while being interrupted by Hillary Clinton, but empowerment when a woman say it while being interrupted by Mike Pence! no matter what the man do he is sexist, and no matter what the woman do she is a victim !This is part of a broader problem I have with pop-feminism that I've been trying to put into words. There's a lot of narratives being built around inter-gender dynamics and, in every single one, the man is the villain and the woman is the victim. There's mansplaining and manterrupting, there's the idea that husbands expect their wives to do all the housework... Once you can pattern match any aspect of a conflict between a man and a woman to one of these, no matter how loosely and how much contex… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/10/20 04:27 AM |
| 7 | "They’re PRETENDING to be radfems!" argument.It is odd that this allegedly-fake feminism is not called out by true feminists when it happens but only denounced after someone else points it out as toxicity within feminism. It is almost like the only problem the true feminst have with this stuff is that it makes them look bad. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/10/20 11:28 PM |
| 9 | Do you think there are high rates of DV in WLW (women loving women) relationships?One of the first things boys learn growing up is that there are consequences for escalating a conflict. There is a limit to how far you can push someone before they punch you in the face. Girls don't seem to learn that and it affects how most women approach conflict. They will escalate thoughtlessly. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/10/20 11:23 PM |
| 1 | Discussion on the direction of our subWhy not just use that? That could work. I'm not looking for a place to vent. I do that on discord. I have just noticed a few venting posts popping up here and I thought I'd raise the issue. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/10/20 03:09 AM |
| 4 | Discussion on the direction of our subIt's just /r/MensRants/ | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/10/20 01:40 AM |
| 8 | Discussion on the direction of our subPeople need a place to vent. The sort of people who engage with this subject especially. Most of us are here because we have strong feelings on the subject and most of the time we feel the need to keep these feelings to ourselves. However, I think this needs to be separated from political discussion. One problem I see in feminism is that there's no clear line between venting and political rhetoric. "Men are all bastards" is totally valid venting after a woman has had a bad experience with a man.… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/10/20 08:56 AM |
| 1 | What is the difference between the men drawn to feminsm and those drawn to the MRM?What makes you think my interaction with feminists and MRAs is limited to Reddit? I am also not diagnosing anyone. I am noting traits which are associated with autism, that is far from making a diagnosis. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/09/20 02:43 PM |
| 6 | What is the difference between the men drawn to feminsm and those drawn to the MRM?I don't think many people on the MRM side are particularly masculine either. I rather closely match your description of a man who goes feminist but I am far closer to anti-feminist. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/09/20 04:46 AM |
| 2 | Thought you guys would find this comic interestingIt's hilariously depressing how he gaslights himself at every turn, refusing to see that his stress is the result of the woke culture he has immersed himself in which can turn on you at any moment, especially if you're a man. He even worries that by complaining, he'd be giving ammunition to us losers who see this shit for what it is. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/09/20 05:02 AM |
| 2 | "Discrimination against women is a real problem in college admissions"Well, since boys are graded more harshly whenever there's any subjectivity on an assessment this could just be a needed correction for that. Although my preference would be to stop the bias against boys in primary and secondary education. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/09/20 04:44 AM |
| 7 | What are your guy’s opinions on Christina Hoff Sommers?She is traditionalist. Yes she cares about men and boys but she thinks the best thing for them is for them to be valued in their traditional roles again. I would hope that is not what the people here want. What I want for men is what feminism has done for women. That is to open up traditionally feminine roles and expression to men and boys and have the men who chose to adopt them just as valued as the women who do. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/09/20 10:49 PM |
| 3 | Positive masculinity has to be more than oppositional.I think broad awareness of the dynamic and our role in perpetuating it is step one. Just look at how many people treat toxic masculinity as nothing more than a defect in the thinking of individual men, that men's problems would be solved if they just got over their insecurity. There's little awareness of the pressures on men to perform masculinity and the consequences of failing to do so. To far too many of the people talking about this, men are the problem, not society. Even when they talk abou… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/08/20 03:48 AM |
| 3 | Positive masculinity has to be more than oppositional.Looking for a definition of positive masculinity in the form of a set of behaviors and traits is misunderstanding how toxic masculinity works. The behaviors and traits considered masculine are necessary for society and often also helpful for the individuals who perform those behaviors or possess those traits. You can't sort the components of masculinity into toxic and positive. The ideal a man is expected to aspire to exists because it is what helped society survive. There's nothing in that idea… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/08/20 02:50 AM |
| 29 | Examining the pithy quip, "when you're used to privilege, equality feels like oppression"It's utterly stupid because men are not comparing their current treatment to how men were treated in the past. They are comparing their current treatment to the current treatment of women and noticing that there is an imbalance and it is not in their favor. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/08/20 01:58 AM |
| 30 | Feminism only took off because we already are under the effect of women are wonderfulThe early stages of feminism were controversial and had a real fight on their hands, not just to convince the men in power but to convince women to get on board with the ideas too. Later, feminism became co-opted by business. Getting women to participate more in the workforce increased the supply of labour. Now feminism is popular because it is perfectly compatible with traditionalist ideas about gender. Women are pure and innocent. They need to be protected. Men are dangerous and must be contro… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/08/20 01:45 AM |
| 8 | What do you actually expect of women?Many men, especially the sort of men who are drawn to spaces like this, have a great deal of pain hidden below the surface due to the way men are treated in society. Until they find their way to these "safe spaces" they often feel that this pain is unspeakable, that if they expressed these feelings they will be considered not only less of a man but also a misogynist for contradicting feminist narratives about male privilege and female oppression. When these feelings finally come out it's rarely … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/08/20 02:15 AM |
| 2 | What is the Apex Fallacy?Yes. It was trying to draw out what the shape of society really is. A lot of feminist rhetoric makes it sound like all men have more staus than all women. Of course almost all will deny believing this when confronted with counter-evidemce. However, many will still insist on making arguments which rest on imagining society does look like that. For example the idea that it is always "punching up" when a woman attacks men. It's a motte and bailey that hides behind the apex fallacy because all of th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/08/20 09:38 AM |
| 2 | What is the Apex Fallacy?What the hell is that sub or what the hell was my post? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/08/20 08:50 AM |
| 3 | What is the Apex Fallacy?Your diagrams reminded me of a discussion I had on /r/FeMRADebates a couple of years ago. What does patriarchy look like? I thought maybe some of the comments would be interesting to read. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/08/20 02:59 AM |
| 3 | Why feminists should stop using terms like "fragile masculinity"Thank you. I cannot claim any of these ideas as my own. Discussing this sort of things has been a bit of a hobby of mine for about 6 years. I've read a bit of the literature but mostly these ideas come from engaging with other people who are interested in the same things, many of whom have read far more of the literature than I have the patience for. I was lucky to find /r/FeMRADebates. Its quality has waned in the last few years and many of the really good posters have moved on. However, when I… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/07/20 04:46 AM |
| 2 | Why feminists should stop using terms like "fragile masculinity"It's funny then that you spend so much time trying to shut down criticism of the toxic parts of feminism and absolutely none addressing those toxic parts. Your triage system has strange priorities. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/07/20 01:40 AM |
| 2 | Why feminists should stop using terms like "fragile masculinity"I'll restate We can quibble about the frequency with which these terms are weaponised against men or we can criticise that weaponsiation. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/07/20 12:18 AM |
| 5 | Why feminists should stop using terms like "fragile masculinity"Perhaps you missed the part where I made it clear why I was linking my comment: Part of challenging it is then making the case that it is. This is something many of us have done. We are not presupposing that these terms are weaponsied against men. We are making the case that they are. Here's an example of the weaponisation of "fragile masculinity" https://medium.com/@GoodMenProject/fragile-masculinity-symptoms-diagnosis-and-treatment-8521d0c57f02 The "symptoms" of fragile masculinity according t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/07/20 03:09 AM |
| 4 | Why feminists should stop using terms like "fragile masculinity"This presupposes the term as a weapon against men, No. Many men feel it is a weapon against them. Part of challenging it is then making the case that it is. This is something many of us have done. Here I am doing so under this very same post: https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/huv5fh/why_feminists_should_stop_using_terms_like/fyq30mt/ Unfortunately, the term "toxic masculinity" is misunderstood, even by the feminists most enthusiastic about using it. It is misunderstood in t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/07/20 01:06 AM |
| 2 | Why feminists should stop using terms like "fragile masculinity"the idea that men react badly to feminism because their identities as men are fragile Yet you say yourself three paragraphs above about the very fragility of the state of manhood. That it has to not only be earned, but upheld. My wording in that part was perhaps unclear although I thought that the following sentences would help convey my meaning. Precarious manhood relates to a the state of being seen as a man by society. Fragile masculinity is not about whether or not one is a man. The accusati… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/07/20 03:00 PM |
| 16 | Why feminists should stop using terms like "fragile masculinity"Challenging the jargon which is weaponised against men is a goal in itself. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/07/20 04:21 AM |
| 26 | Why feminists should stop using terms like "fragile masculinity"I think what you are talking about involves two related concepts: precarious manhood and toxic masculinity. Precarious manhood describes the concept of being a man in our society. When a girl reaches a certain age she is considered a woman. The exact age is a grey area and she does spend a few years in a fuzzy girl/woman state. The point is that she doesn't have to earn womanhood. A boy on the other hand has to demonstrate that he is a man. Ever wonder why we have the term "manchild" but never h… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/07/20 02:04 AM |
| 20 | Why the "not real feminism" argument is problematicFeminism is as feminism does. Here's my test for what is and isn't real feminism. Consider a statement. Can people can make this statement in feminist spaces without being meaningfully challenged? Does challenging this statement in feminist spaces frequently result in being shouted down, censored or expelled? If the answer to both is "yes" then the statement is, in practice, real feminism. If the answer to both is "no" then the statement is not real feminism. This leaves a lot of grey area (wher… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/07/20 06:59 AM |
| 11 | the U.N declares war on mrasYou may be lost. As Left Wing Male Advocates we are pro-choice. You should adjust your language here, since this sounds like right wing propaganda. Ideological conformity was once considered a hallmark of the right. The left wing is characterised by certain general values, not specific dogmas. It is very possible, just not popular, to be against abortion based on left wing principles. If you reject the idea that those not yet born don't count as people then protecting them, as incredibly vulnera… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/07/20 01:54 AM |
| 5 | The primary problem is traditional gender roles, not feminism.Feminism does more than exploit that dynamic. It is currently the strongest force promoting that dynamic. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/06/20 01:20 AM |
| 3 | Relevant.It is relevant because it refutes the myth that women were powerless and it demonstrates the way soft power and proxy violence are wielded and women's part in reinforcing "toxic masculinity." | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/06/20 05:08 AM |
| 8 | Gender socialisation and maturity; thoughts?Physically, girls mature faster than boys. Mentally, I'm not convinced. What I have seen is when people observe that a girl is "mature," what they mean is actually that the girl is conformist and compliant. They are teachers and parents equating "easy to deal with" with "mature." | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/05/20 02:34 AM |
| 6 | Toxic Masculinity (as it is used by feminists) Is A False Conspiracy Theory - Boomarked This Video For International Mens Day And The Inevitable Feminist & Non Feminist Critisicm of the day and the Feminist Hijacking of ItUnfortunately it's also a bit of an optics game. Even if everyone who participates here is able to separate the person from the argument and not be suckered into right-wing ideas presented alongside feminist-critical arguments, it's still a bad look and something which will be used against us. Feminists will point to posts like this one and say "Look. That place is obviously right-wing and should therefore be ignored." | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/05/20 03:50 AM |
| 11 | Toxic Masculinity (as it is used by feminists) Is A False Conspiracy Theory - Boomarked This Video For International Mens Day And The Inevitable Feminist & Non Feminist Critisicm of the day and the Feminist Hijacking of ItWhile I agree that, ideally, an argument should be taken on its own merits, part of the reason this sub exists is that spaces like /r/MensRights have a problem with infiltration by the right due to the belief that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." It is something we should be cautious of. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/05/20 03:09 AM |
| 2 | Why do users here seem to largely concur with popular transgender ideology?The progressive ideal is that your sex should have zero relevance outside of where the physical differences are directly relevant. That's sex, reproduction and medicine. As such, it shouldn't matter if someone gets to be treated as a man or a woman, that treatment should be identical. A male-bodied person asking to be treated as a woman or vice versa isn't asking for any special treatment because whether they are a man or a woman should not be a factor in how you treat them. If you feel the need… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/05/20 04:55 AM |
| 1 | aclu is a criminal hate groupIf they did, they wouldn't be getting evicted. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/05/20 12:45 PM |
| 2 | QUESTION: What is there a gender gap in digital skills and STEM? Is it due to discrimination, culture, choice, e.t.c?Especially given that there is still prestige and money in working in STEM Well this is relates to another aspect of it. Status is measured differently for men and women. STEM can lead to masculine status (prestige and money) but the association with socially awkward men is detrimental to feminine status which is more strongly based on social factors. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/05/20 09:03 AM |
| 4 | QUESTION: What is there a gender gap in digital skills and STEM? Is it due to discrimination, culture, choice, e.t.c?It's the not-entirely-inaccurate image of STEM, not as woman-hostile but as the domain of socially-awkward, low-status men. Most women would rather be in a female dominated environment or one with datable men. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/05/20 12:56 AM |
| 4 | Why is the Men's Rights Movement so unsuccessful?The MRM, as we know it, is never going to be an effective activist force. That doesn't mean it's worthless although I do believe it is reaching the limits of its usefulness. What it has contributed is consciousness raising. Men and women are starting to recognize that gender issues aren't as simple as "woman oppressed, man oppressor" they are starting to push back against the misandry pretending to be activism of modern advertiser-friendly feminism. Feminism is beginning to talk about men's issu… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/05/20 04:51 AM |
| 11 | After getting the original post removed from r/unpopularopinion, feminists post in r/SelfAwarewolves for a circle jerk.The Motte and Bailey argument seems to be the most valuable concept in understanding woke arguments | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/05/20 11:31 PM |
| 7 | The ironic part is: if you are a man who has internalized the teachings of intersectional feminism, YOU need to be liberated from it, not the other way aroundtheir use of the word "Liberation" is Orwellian. Men's Liberation is named like the ministries (such as the Ministry of Truth) in 1984. It's named for something positive but serves the complete opposite purpose. Feminism does not offer liberation for men. It just offers a different restrictive gender role. Actually, not that different. At its core, it's still the same as the traditional one: Sacrifice your own well-being to protect and provide for women. The only real difference is that where th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/04/20 08:14 AM |
| 7 | When even menslib starts to get tired of feminist crap.To clarify, the response isn't "suck it up and pretend not to have feelings about this". It's "do not expect women to be the ones to do the emotional labor with those feelings". I mentioned elsewhere that I'm a white woman that does anti-racist work. Sometimes the venting I hear in those spaces catches me in the feels. That's fine and valid. But I don't expect the members of an oppressed group to focus on making me feel better: there are spaces for me to unpack that, and I use those spaces. Men … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/04/20 01:36 AM |
| 8 | When even menslib starts to get tired of feminist crap.The idea that men's feelings have ever been centred is the most absurd component of feminist mythology. Women's feelings have always been given priority. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/04/20 12:33 AM |
| 37 | He dared to defend himself against a member of the nobility.This is not complaining about women. It is complaining about an unfair social advantage granted to women. The fault is with society. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/04/20 12:16 AM |
| 13 | This is what happens when you are ignorant about men.This is probably the biggest reason feminists are so attached to the oppressor-oppressed gender dichotomy. It is how they defend blatant double standards. It's abusive when men do it because men are oppressors. It's empowering when women do it because women are oppressed. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/04/20 11:15 AM |
| 6 | Why 2/3 of Breadtube is some version of genderfluidI wrote about something like this a while ago on another sub so I thought I might share it: The Get Out Of Male Free Card In the past, my response to non-binary genders has been not so positive. I felt that they trivialized gender dysphoria and muddied the water in general about trans people by confusing gendered traits with gender identity. However, the concept may just be what I need, a Get Out of Male Free card. I have no great investment in my identity as a man. It's what people classify me … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/04/20 12:39 AM |
| 4 | OP in r/sex posts about double standards against men. Comments defend double standard and prove his point.I think this is a huge part of the issue. While it is harder to reach orgasm for woman, the experience seems more consistently intense when it happens. If you do it really badly, it's possible for a man to ejaculate with almost no pleasure. I've had orgasms which felt like what it seems women experience (obviously I can't actually compare) but getting there is not trivial and it's rare because if you get it wrong and ejaculate too early, you've lost the opportunity. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/03/20 02:14 AM |
| 5 | Which hatred is stronger: feminist hatred for men or anti-feminist hatred for Muslim and other non-Western men?"Anti-feminist" is a label which applies to a range of views across the full spectrum from extreme liberalism to extreme conservatism. Some oppose feminism because they like traditional gender roles. Other oppose it because they believe feminism leverages and promotes traditional gender roles. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/03/20 01:31 AM |
| 4 | [META] We're going to be seeing more and more alt-right trolls and bad faith participation as this subreddit grows.Nazis are bad. I know this feels like an uncontroversial statement, at least among those not sympathetic to Nazi ideas. However I am going to disagree. This statement is unproductive and is the answer to a question which really doesn't make sense. Are Nazis bad? Well Nazis are people. People we identify by a single label: "Nazi." That label only describes one aspect of each individual. Each individual has countless other labels which apply. A Nazi might also be a student, a parent, an Atheist, a… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/03/20 02:53 PM |
| 4 | What do you think of the slogan "The Future is Female"?It's symptomatic of a pervasive anti-individualist mindset in modern feminism. The idea is that men had their turn and now it's women's. Even if we accept the most one-sided feminist version of history in which women were all slaves to all men, this is still a really shitty attitude. The men who "had their turn" are dead now or at least old enough that any changes made now aren't going to have any effect on their outcomes. The women who suffered under this system are also dead or old enough that… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/03/20 02:02 AM |
| 6 | Creating new vocabulary thrashing on men to "empower" women. Sorry to say this, but are they sure that men are the fragile sex?This is an accurate example of benevolent sexism against fathers It's funny how "benevolent sexism" was coined to hand-wave away female privilege but male privilege can be examined in exactly the same way. Benevolent sexism are double-standards which superficially appear to favor one gender but are based on negative assumptions about that gender and/or pressure members of that gender to conform to their gender role. As you point out, the extra praise fathers get for parenting is an example of su… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/03/20 04:08 AM |
| 15 | Privilege and newbie questionsBut I don't know how anyone can be a Leftist and anti-feminist? If you are in opposition to feminism I mean. Are you? That depends on your definition of "feminist" and of "leftist." Let's start with "feminist." There's a number of definitions possible here. These include: Someone who believes in the equality of the sexes. Someone who wants to promote women's interests. Someone who believes that to be a woman is to be oppressed. "Leftist" is even messier as there's many different positions which … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/03/20 07:32 AM |
| 5 | Seẋual Assault of Men in Media Played for Laughs - Female PerpetratorsNotice how it was made by Jonathan McIntosh, the man behind the woman behind Tropes vs Women. | /r/MensRights | 31/01/20 05:02 AM |
| 2 | White Knights"brogressive" (this insult is used for people with mostly progressive views that are "not woke enough" by some people's standards. I think the insult is unfair in many cases, but I can't think of a snappier descriptor) Once upon a time "liberal" was the label which captured this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on liberty, consent of the governed and equality before the law. Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their un… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/01/20 07:10 AM |
| 6 | Equality Is Not Enough: What the Classroom Has Taught Me About JusticeI have a different problem with that equality/equity comic. It pretends the argument involves individuals when really it usually involves demographic groups, usually genders or races. Each man in that picture actually represents the average of a demographic group. To abstract it away from gender and race lets group people just as arbitrarily by the colour of their shirts. There are Blues, Reds and Purples, many of each. On average, Blues are just tall enough to see over the fence from the ground… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/01/20 06:34 AM |
| 4 | The dead end of the Anti-feminist Movement.What is "the anti-feminist movement?" There are anti-feminists who want to undo feminism. There are anti-feminists who think that feminism has won and should stop pretending women are still oppressed. There are anti-feminists who think that feminism has evolved into a tool of the status quo, now leveraging and perpetuating gender roles rather than tearing them down. It seems you're only addressing the first group which is described more precisely as traditionalist rather than anti-feminist. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/01/20 01:59 AM |
| 2 | Post from r/menslib of trans man's experience after transitioningTrans men are largely ignored. Part of it is probably that they pass more easily but their existence also does not seem to make people uncomfortable in the way trans women do. A woman taking on the role of a man is less transgressive than the reverse. It isn't really transgressive at all anymore. Women have already been allowed basically everything formerly reserved for men so transitioning does not really change much from the perspective of other people. A woman can already wear men's clothing … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/01/20 01:51 AM |
| 7 | Narrative around "boys will be boys" mentalityBut then, that shuts out forms of objectification that women do subject men to, like objectification through status, power, or labour/money. There's a lot of feminist concepts which, if applied honestly (and without the predetermined goal of proving women are oppressed and men are terrible) can describe men's issues as well as they describe women's. Objectification is a good one although it has been abused to the point that common usage does not resemble its actual meaning at all. https://en.wik… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/01/20 01:49 AM |
| 8 | Narrative around "boys will be boys" mentalityI've never seen "boys will be boys" actually used the way feminists insist it is. It isn't about justifying or excusing toxic behavior. It's about boys acting in ways women consider stupid but are ultimately harmless. It's not about sexual harassment. It's about playing in the mud. However, I most commonly hear it said by a woman rather than a man, usually while rolling her eyes, and directed at men rather than boys. It it said to mock the men for doing something the woman feels is immature. It'… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/01/20 08:06 AM |
| 7 | You're not helping, Obama – just reinforcing myths about men v womenShe still pushes the idea that women are better people. It's just that she asserts women are socialised to be better people rather than innately being better people. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/12/19 12:59 AM |
| 2 | A "Women Only" club is being frequented by men, because the club can't legally bar them. Patrons claim this is "male entitlement," but is it not also "female entitlement," given that women often protest male-only spaces? Should we have gender-exclusive spaces at all?I suspect that a significant chunk of these populations are made up of men and women who simply want a break from the opposite-gender's culture, and the opportunity to be truly "at home" in their own gender's. Women might want a break from the "crude" humor men tend to sport in greater quantities than women or to watch "women's tv" as opposed to sports This idea of distinct homogeneous male and female cultures is also rather sexist. Some men will be far more comfortable in what one might underst… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/12/19 01:26 AM |
| 3 | A "Women Only" club is being frequented by men, because the club can't legally bar them. Patrons claim this is "male entitlement," but is it not also "female entitlement," given that women often protest male-only spaces? Should we have gender-exclusive spaces at all?The desire for women-only spaces (except for those where nudity is expected - note below) is based on bigoted attitudes to men. There's the assumption that men will engage in a heap of toxic or even criminal behaviors but even if they don't, their mere presence makes women uncomfortable. They consider these women-only spaces to be "safe spaces" because the presence of men is apparently what makes a space unsafe. A woman who does not have bigoted attitudes to men will feel no need for a women-onl… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/12/19 01:01 AM |
| 3 | A "Women Only" club is being frequented by men, because the club can't legally bar them. Patrons claim this is "male entitlement," but is it not also "female entitlement," given that women often protest male-only spaces? Should we have gender-exclusive spaces at all?My concern is not the existence of gender-exclusive clubs, it's the attitudes which create demand for such clubs. Banning these clubs would do nothing to address the attitudes behind them. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/12/19 04:08 PM |
| 9 | Is this sub getting taken over by feminist and menslibers?Feminism is the dominant framework for discussing gender issues. In fact it asserts itself as, and is broadly accepted as, the only framework for such discussions. This is a framework which has, at its core, the idea that men are only ever privileged and women are only ever oppressed. It is impossible to talk about men's issues in this framework because there's no place for even recognizing disadvantages men face. Blatant advantages granted to women are called "benevolent sexism" in order to cla… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/12/19 07:11 AM |
| 4 | Is this sub getting taken over by feminist and menslibers?There are many different positions one can take based on traditionally left-wing ideals. Unfortunately the currently dominant one is rather collectivist and authoritarian. Worse than that, its adherents have convinced themselves that it is the only way to be left-wing, that if one does not swallow their collectivism and authoritarianism then one must be on the right. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/12/19 06:37 AM |
| 12 | To the men here who have a wife...My wife and I both dislike feminism but for opposite reasons. She thinks it goes too far and dismantling gender roles is a bad idea. I think it doesn't go far enough. It only superficially attacks gender norms and on a deeper level actually leverages and reinforces them. We tend not to get into arguments about the theory but we certainly have disagreements over what our respective roles should be. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/12/19 06:58 AM |
| 2 | Summarize your objections to feminism, either as a theory or as you see it being practiced, in up to three one-sentence bullet points.I'll start by clarifying that my objections are to the currently dominant incarnation of feminism. There have been and are many feminisms and I support a large subset of these. It ironically reinforces the core of patriarchy which is female hypoagency and male hyperagency. It is collectivist in its approach, seeing only genders, not individuals. It controls the discussion on gender issues while being built almost entirely on the perspectives of women and actively rejecting the perspectives of me… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/12/19 01:53 AM |
| 3 | I know that this sub has a sort of anti feminist bent to it, so I was curious what you would think of this discussion of toxic femininity and how both toxic femininity and masculinity are a product of patriarchy and addressed by 3rd wave feminism.He's right about everything except for 3rd wave feminism. Yes all of this shit is the result of patriarchy (more accurately described as traditional gender roles since "rule by men" is a gross oversimplification). However, I've seen no examples of the 3rd wave feminism he describes. What I most commonly see is 3rd wave feminists leveraging and reinforcing patriarchy. They play up female hypoagency and male hyperagency. 90% of modern feminism is an exercise in spinning everything as female victim… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/12/19 02:04 PM |
| 3 | "In 2018, more of us need to commit to speaking less generally and more specifically when we’re taking men to task."MRAs tend to attack feminism the way feminists tend to attack men. Women as a group are rarely the target. The movement which is a gender-flip of feminism (in terms of directing hate at the entirety of a gender) is MGTOW. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/11/19 10:56 PM |
| 22 | Some criticism of using "neckbeard" from a feminist website. Something I would personally like to see a lot more of.They fail to see the obvious: For a lot of feminists, the insults are the whole point. It's a high-school status game where you claim your place in the in-group by performing wokeness and putting down the out-group to show your superiority. The insults which attack low-status men are the best part. They never had to grow out of bullying nerds. It's now considered a progressive act. If feminism committed itself to productive dialog then most of its most vocal participants would lose interest beca… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/11/19 01:10 AM |
| 5 | The Three Components of my IdentityDogmatic ideological conformity was once considered a hallmark of the right. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/11/19 07:45 AM |
| 3 | So, about suicide...Is it because men are less likely to have people around who will help them? I don't really know. All through their lives men and women get different reactions to displaying weakness. When a girl or woman displays weakness, people rush to their aid. When a boy or man displays weakness, they are mocked or even attacked as they show themselves to be easy targets. Women learn that displays of weakness can be used as a cry for help or attention or even to manipulate others. Men learn that display of … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/11/19 06:09 AM |
| 14 | Liz Plank AMA in MensLib is up.No idea who this woman is but, without looking too closely, some of her articles sound like standard woke misandry. http://www.elizabethplank.com/writing MOST PERPETRATORS OF SEXUAL VIOLENCE ARE MEN, SO WHY DO WE CALL IT A WOMEN’S ISSUE?: Imagine a world where the burden to solve sexual violence was on men rather than women. https://www.vox.com/authors/liz-plank/archives/ The bro-code that makes men stick together when they’re accused of sexual harassment When did 2016 become all about men? Most… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/09/19 01:02 AM |
| 5 | What are the reasons behind the gender disparities between criminal behaviours and perpetration?Whether it's masculine socialisation or testosterone, men tend to take direct action in ways which make them unavoidably accountable for the results. Meanwhile, again whether it's due to society or hormones, women tend to be more passive and when they do act it is in ways which don't get their hands dirty, through social means and getting others (generally men) to do the dirty work. The male tendency toward overt action here has both positive and negative results. Yes men are more likely to comm… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/08/19 02:50 AM |
| -3 | Currently at the doctor with my girlfriend and I see this.Don't put Thatcher on that list. She's hated by the trendy kids because she was not socialist but overall she did the right thing by her nation. | /r/MensRights | 02/08/16 04:07 AM |
| 2 | How do you think that Patriarchy hurts me?Try this: http://www.genderratic.net/?p=4135 It is a detailed and clearly laid out presentation of an alternative to patriarchy theory for understaning gender roles and the problems they cause. In my opinion it is a good representation of the theoretical model applied by a large percentage of the MRM and other non-feminists interested in gender issues. | /r/MensRights | 07/03/16 08:52 AM |
| 3 | How do you think that Patriarchy hurts me?Straight white men are overrepresented in the tiny minority which have and have had significant authority in western society. Now this is something like the anthropological concept of a patriarchy but not quite. In an anthropological patriarchy women are explicitly prohibited from positions of authority. That may have been the case in the past (although you can see historical examples of these supposedly patriarchal societies being ruled by queens) but it certainly is not a valid description of … | /r/MensRights | 07/03/16 03:31 AM |
| 2 | Radical Feminist Activist Denounces Feminism and Renounces Bisexuality Feminism Pressured Her IntoThe photo of the two became iconic in Brazil of homosexual contempt for Christianity. To be fair, Christianity kinda started it. | /r/MensRights | 30/12/15 09:03 AM |
| 1 | UK: Don't tell schoolgirls to dress 'modestly'. How about boys quit perving instead? But the School uniform for boys is much stricter, (no shorts in the summer) and more formal than it is for girls!Not really. The ideal is that you have the freedom to do anything except interfere with the freedoms of others. Women have the freedom to walk around naked in public. Men have the freedom to look at them. If you try to prevent women from walking around naked then you are interfering with their freedom. Therefore this is not a freedom you are granted. If you try to prevent a man from looking at women who walk around naked in public then you are interfering with their freedom. Therefore this is no… | /r/MensRights | 17/11/15 03:56 AM |
| 2 | Racist Feminist SJW "Suey Park" gets annihilated in Huffpost interviewHer opinions were representative of modern feminism. Here's a rather well-known feminist website: http://everydayfeminism.com/2015/01/male-feminist-rules-to-follow/ So You Want to Be a Male Feminist? Here Are 11 Simple Rules to Follow 1) Understand that women are leading the way and affirm their capable leadership. Don’t assert yourself at the forefront. 2) When it comes to issues that directly pertain to women’s bodies and experiences, be quiet and listen. 3) Men don’t get to determine if they … | /r/MensRights | 13/11/15 07:09 AM |
| 2 | Racist Feminist SJW "Suey Park" gets annihilated in Huffpost interviewWe live in an age where everybody thinks because they have an opinion that it means that opinion should automatically be given the same weight as all others. Not quite, the SJWs decide the weight of your opinions based on how many victim classes you can claim membership in. A black lesbian's opinion is worth significantly more than a straight white male's. | /r/MensRights | 13/11/15 07:02 AM |
| 3 | Feminist Beliefs and Beliefs About Feminism - Survey ResultsJust an informal internet survey which was posted here and in a few other subs about a month ago. | /r/MensRights | 06/11/15 03:23 AM |
| 2 | Dating Advice for Straight Men from a Transwoman FeministMaybe just link to the original and discuss it or at least find a critique without the transphobia. | /r/MensRights | 27/10/15 09:33 AM |
| 3 | Feminist Beliefs and Beliefs About FeminismYou do realize that there actually needs to be some personally identifying information for this to be in any way useful for doxxing. This survey does not ask for your name, your date of birth, your contact details, where you went to school.... if you can figure out who someone is from their age, sex and nationality then you really should apply to MI6 or the CIA. They could use your 1337 skills. I suppose, like any website you visit, this could collect your IP address. However, it is a Google-hos… | /r/MensRights | 05/10/15 01:33 PM |
| -2 | Survey: Feminist Beliefs and Beliefs About FeminismI'm interested in how people's beliefs about gender and gender activism relate to their identification with an attitudes to various movements. Please take the time to fill in this survey. It will be active for about 2 weeks and I'll make the raw data available for others to play with once I've stopped accepting responses. | /r/MGTOW | 05/10/15 07:35 AM |
| 2 | Feminist Beliefs and Beliefs About FeminismI'm interested in how people's beliefs about gender and gender activism relate to their identification with an attitudes to various movements. Please take the time to fill in this survey. It will be active for about 2 weeks and I'll make the raw data available for others to play with once I've stopped accepting responses. | /r/MensRights | 05/10/15 07:23 AM |
| 11 | Dominoes start falling in Australia's anti-free speech regime. Man barred from entering country for disagreeing with feminists. What slippery slope?!I really hate how much my nation loves censorship. | /r/MensRights | 30/09/15 07:29 AM |
| 0 | CNN wants you to feel really sorry for this woman who was just executed. After all, she only murdered her husband.It is odd that she was sentenced to death when she wasn't the actual murderer. However, this highlights a difference in how men and women do awful things and is a potential explanation for why more violent crime is committed by men. Men do their own dirty work. Women use men to do theirs. | /r/MensRights | 30/09/15 07:27 AM |
| 2 | Are feminists man haters?I hate those guys | /r/MensRights | 15/09/15 10:35 AM |
| 3 | Are feminists man haters?I think that /u/cymrich was referring to Leviticus 18:22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. or, more clearly, Leviticus 20:13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. I don't recall any bible verse which tells liars that they have committed an abomination. | /r/MensRights | 15/09/15 12:26 AM |
| 72 | Are feminists man haters?Feminists don't hate men the same way fundamentalist Christians don't hate homosexuals. It's the same "love the sinner, hate the sin" cop out. I don't hate you, I just hate everything about you. | /r/MensRights | 14/09/15 01:26 AM |
| 4 | How to make the MRM, NOT be taken seriously.Any idea what these stickers are actually advertising? The message does not appear very MRM. Sure it is anti-feminist but there are plenty of other anti-feminist-leaning groups. The address at the bottom is blurred and I haven't had any success searching for the text. | /r/MensRights | 12/09/15 10:21 PM |
| 3 | Amnesty International claiming every Indian man as a sexual predatorThis gives us a total number of reported sexual crimes to 1,17, 035. Considering Amnesty claim to be true and only 1% of sexual crimes are in fact reported in India we find that as per Amnesty’s claim there are in reality 1,17,03,500 (aprox 1 crore or 10 million) sexual offences happening in India. ... For simplicity of calculation if we consider at least one man as culprit of each of such crimes then we find every year at least 1 crore or 10 million Indian men are committing any sexual crime ag… | /r/MensRights | 04/09/15 03:04 AM |
| 1 | Rise of the Cultural Libertariansanti-individualists see individuals as products of social systems Well clearly everyone is a heavily effected by social systems. I can't imagine anyone denying that. Individuals are shaped by social systems but that does not change the fact that they are individuals. Anti-individualists lose sight of this fact. to the anti-individualist, it's the system which is important. The individualist understands that social systems are the product of individuals. The system doesn't really exist. It's just… | /r/MensRights | 27/08/15 04:36 AM |
| 1 | Rise of the Cultural LibertariansMost broadly, authoritarianism is the belief that it is generally morally justified and in many cases morally required to inflict or accept restrictions on freedom. Obviously most people would accept some level of restriction (such as not being allowed to murder others) but an authoritarian has a much lower bar for what justifies (or mandates) restrictions. For example, restrictions on speech to protect people's feelings. Individualism is a worldview which recognises that it is the individual wh… | /r/MensRights | 27/08/15 03:36 AM |
| 1 | Rise of the Cultural LibertariansIt's not about left and right. It's about authoritarianism and anti-authoritarianism and about individualism and anti-individualism. Feminism is anti-individualist and authoritarian. | /r/MensRights | 27/08/15 03:01 AM |
| 1 | An argument that I find posted here often that I dislikeI would also like to point out that those who would be willing to self harm or end their lives for the sake of attention are in need of serious help too, and should not be excluded from being considered victims of mental illness. Suicide stats aren't just about mental illness. Suicide indicates that someone feels so negatively about heir life that death is preferable, that they have no hope that it can get better and often that nobody will care if they are dead. A "suicide gesture" is almost the… | /r/MensRights | 24/08/15 12:22 AM |
| 2 | An argument that I find posted here often that I dislikeI don't think that is fair. /u/djherp is not dogmatically pushing an agenda here. He has shown that he is prepared to engage in honest debate and adjust his position based on new information. He ultimately disagrees with the opinion many of us hold but that is fine. This is /r/MensRights not /r/Feminism. I think we can accommodate differences of opinion here. | /r/MensRights | 24/08/15 12:11 AM |
| 6 | An argument that I find posted here often that I dislikeThere is no way to account for attention seeking behavior It is an uncomfotable question but one which is not impossible to ask: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16866602 Individuals who engage in self-injury with intent to die differ significantly from those without such intent. Risk factors for membership in the former group closely resemble those for suicide death. These results add to previous findings demonstrating that those with intent to die from self-injury are more likely to sustain … | /r/MensRights | 23/08/15 07:41 AM |
| 2 | An argument that I find posted here often that I dislikeYes. However, it is not a sign that they are suffering equally. | /r/MensRights | 23/08/15 07:16 AM |
| 5 | An argument that I find posted here often that I dislikeI'd also note that those who are unsuccessful can make more attempts. If women make more unsuccessful attempts then they are more likely to be counted more than once. A man might make 1 successful attempt and a woman 5 unsuccessful attempts. It would then look like the woman was more suicidal. | /r/MensRights | 23/08/15 06:02 AM |
| 13 | An argument that I find posted here often that I dislikeAll attempts are treated as genuine. This is good when dealing with an individual but it screws up statistics by counting attention seeking behavior in the same category as genuinely trying to kill yourself. | /r/MensRights | 23/08/15 05:56 AM |
| 4 | What is Feminism? (Link problems fixed)Feminism is an ideology which asserts: Interactions between men and women can be interpreted as if men and women were separate social classes. Men (as a class) hold power over women (as a class). All gender-related issues are the result of this imbalance of power. | /r/MensRights | 22/08/15 02:28 AM |
| 1 | Why do Men have a "Power Fantasy"?That seems like something outside the realm of a simple power fantasy. What I wrote wasn't intended as a theory of everything. I was simply pointing out that power fantasies are not an exlusively male thing. What you describe is more about value than power. Femininity is a luxury reserved for those with value. Women have inherent value so are allowed to indulge in feminity by default. Men must earn value and only those who earn the greatest value are permitted feminity without punishment. | /r/MensRights | 17/08/15 11:52 AM |
| 10 | Got into this discussion with a feminist about cuckoldingWhen biological reality places women at a disadvantage (pregnancy, being generally weaker than men): Accommodations must be legally enforced to counter this. When biological reality places men at a disadvantage: Nuh-uh! Social contract! | /r/MensRights | 16/08/15 09:52 PM |
| 12 | Got into this discussion with a feminist about cuckoldingWouldn't a contract entered into based on fraud be void? | /r/MensRights | 16/08/15 08:56 PM |
| 5 | Men, who make up 30 percent of MissTravel users, pay a $40 monthly fee to use the site, and women can register for freeI don't have a problem with prostitution. I would like everyone to be more honest with themselves that this is what is happening though. | /r/MensRights | 16/08/15 01:53 PM |
| 2 | Why do Men have a "Power Fantasy"?Not really. He holds overt power and others do as he says to avoid that power being directed against them, not to simply earn his approval. | /r/MensRights | 16/08/15 01:51 PM |
| 1 | The Free Bleeders Clearly Have Not Thought About What Happens to All That BloodI need to believe that it's just something 4chan made up. I don't want to live in a reality in which people actually think like this. | /r/MensRights | 16/08/15 11:12 AM |
| 11 | Why do Men have a "Power Fantasy"?Women have power fantasies too. They just generally fantasize about feminine power rather than masculine power. Masculine power is obvious. It is active and overt. Male power fantasies involve strength or commanding armies. It is crushing those who oppose you. Feminine power is often not even recognised as power. It is passive and covert. Female power fantasies involve social influence, especially over powerful men. It is having people do your will for nothing more than your approval. A common e… | /r/MensRights | 16/08/15 04:15 AM |
| 2 | It's like a check-list of lies and misinformationA word-swap could easily make that rant about feminism and, in doing so, make it more accurate. Millie Lovelock is a Dunedin student. Well if they had led with that I would have known exactly the sort of sheltered bullshit to expect. | /r/MensRights | 05/08/15 10:29 PM |
| 15 | Looks like we were mentioned in a Cracked.com article!On the positive side, that article finally made it crystal clear why this sort of person and I will never see eye to eye. They have a fundamentally collectivist view of the world while individualism is central to my values. This is not just tumblr-dwelling SJWs either. Feminism (even in its more sane forms) is inherently collectivist. | /r/MensRights | 03/08/15 05:22 PM |
| 42 | The BBC are producing a documentary which aims to evaluate the credibility of modern day feminism. On the flip side, there are also concerns that it could demonise "contradictory movements"; this could have massive ramifications for Men's RightsYeah, a politically-correct publicly-funded corporation from an extremely politically-correct country is making a documentary about feminism. I have my doubts about how critical it will be. | /r/MensRights | 29/07/15 10:01 PM |
| 6 | If Men's Rights and Feminism both want gender equality then what's the problem?Yes. Both groups want equality. The problem is that feminism, in addition to wanting equality, demands a certain ideological approach. That approach is the concept of patriarchy. The reason feminists claim to simply want equality is because they don't recognise that their ideology is ideology. They think it is basic objective reality that women are significantly disadvantaged in even modern democratic nations and that this is due to men holding significantly more power than women and using that … | /r/MensRights | 28/07/15 01:07 AM |
| 3 | X-post from ELI5: Why is the gap in pay between genders a prominent political issue, when the gap in life expectancy between genders is not?It's simple. Men are reaponsible for the consequences of their choices. Women are not. | /r/MensRights | 18/07/15 10:15 AM |
| 24 | Re-post from /r/funny thought it would be appreciated here. Seems like a fairly universal one sided debate.If you are shitting as frequently as you are pissing there is something wrong. Even with more realistic numbers though, this logic comes out in favor of leaving the seat down. However the logic is simply wrong. To transition from the state of male piss to female anything or male shit (or back again) someone must move the seat. Only the person about to use the toilet knows which state they need. If the previous user makes an assumption and toggles the state of the toilet seat there's a nontrivial… | /r/MensRights | 14/07/15 10:14 PM |
| 1 | Male, single and unable to shop at Karachi's mallsHow will anyone know? You could be an alien under that burqa. | /r/MensRights | 14/07/15 09:18 PM |
| 3 | Male, single and unable to shop at Karachi's mallsJust go in drag. A remarkably easy feat in a muslim country. | /r/MensRights | 14/07/15 09:11 PM |
| 10 | Women in /r/askwomen blame men for their lack of college degrees.This comment is pretty much the equivalent of poking AMR with a stick. | /r/MensRights | 04/07/15 09:38 AM |
| 2 | Social attitudes and Personality linksAs as rather strict individualist I found most of the questions about groups almost completely meaningless. | /r/MensRights | 01/07/15 07:38 AM |
| 1 | Social attitudes and Personality linksDammit. I think I only get Machiavellian. Gotta try harder. | /r/MensRights | 01/07/15 07:35 AM |
| 2 | I just read an argument claiming that women are worse affected by suicide than men. Here is what your response to that should beI think it's more than attention. It's emotional manipulation. When someone thinks that not giving you what you want will make them responsible for your suicide, you've suddenly got massive power over them. | /r/MensRights | 30/06/15 11:53 PM |
| 3 | I just read an argument claiming that women are worse affected by suicide than men. Here is what your response to that should beIf they had done their part as real men they'd be dead too so they wouldn't feel the loss of their sons, brothers or fathers. | /r/MensRights | 30/06/15 11:46 PM |
| 8 | Have any of you had any sort of social science education? Genuinely curiousEnough to consider the term "social science" hilarious. | /r/MensRights | 26/06/15 06:04 PM |
| 3 | Sargon of Akkad: Anita Sarkeesian's Influences, Radical Feminist Bell Hook, and the Book Feminism is for Everybody."I learned to see through a sociological lens... and see the world how it actually is." My brain hurts. | /r/MensRights | 26/06/15 05:20 AM |
| 3 | Changing legal gender to avoid discrimination and acquire benefits?Isn't having a concept of legal gender at all an indication of legal gender-based bias? If the law didn't discriminate between men and women there would be no need for gender to be a part of your government-recognised identity. | /r/MensRights | 22/06/15 04:50 PM |
| 9 | Is the Men's rights movement anti-feminism? [Serious]feminism has evolved into a movement that tries to advance women further than men I would actually argue that feminism has evolved into a movement which exists only to advance feminism. In its current form is does more harm than good for women by maintaining their infantilization. It constantly plays down women's agency and protrays them as weak and in need of protection and special treatment. Modern feminist rhetoric serves only to convince people that feminism is still needed. | /r/MensRights | 20/06/15 08:57 AM |
| 2 | Toxic Masculinity vs. Toxic FemininityThanks. I realised that I'd missed that aspect and added it in later reply. | /r/MensRights | 14/06/15 10:00 PM |
| 2 | Toxic Masculinity vs. Toxic FemininityTo expand on my "yep": My point was simply that victimhood is a modern expression of toxic femininity. It does not appear that women played the victim in this way historically. This is primarily due to the fact that there being benefits to being percieved as the victim is a relativlely recent phenomenon. If I had to sum up toxic femininity in one word it would not be "victimhood" it would be "infantilization". Victimhood is just the current expression of this. Victimhood reduces you to the same … | /r/MensRights | 14/06/15 09:53 PM |
| 2 | Toxic Masculinity vs. Toxic FemininityYep | /r/MensRights | 14/06/15 09:03 PM |
| 2 | Toxic Masculinity vs. Toxic FemininityIt is currently. I don't believe it was in the past. That is why I say that victimhood is built on aspects of toxic femininity. Another I left out is the rejection of accountability. Victimhood makes everything someone else's fault. I think, in the past, society just accepted (acually more like demanded) women's dependence and unaccountability. Now in modern world of gender equality that does not sit well so women need an excuse. Victimhood provides that excuse. | /r/MensRights | 14/06/15 08:45 PM |
| 23 | AMA from a feminist "writer" (i.e. tumblr blogger) who says "dick is abundant and low-value"MGTOW reduces the abundance of dick. Abundance of dick is a positive state for women because it inflates the value of pussy. | /r/MensRights | 14/06/15 08:32 PM |
| 11 | Toxic Masculinity vs. Toxic FemininityToxic femininity is more than just victimhood (which I think is a modern addition to femininity but which is built from aspects of toxic traditional femininity) Toxic feminity is being comfortable with dependence on others and demanding that those others support your dependence. It is also overvaluing your emotional state relative to the feelings of others and objective reality. | /r/MensRights | 14/06/15 08:26 PM |
| 9 | Female doctor in my town refused to treat me because I’m a maleWomen are a protected class | /r/MensRights | 12/06/15 07:33 AM |
| 2 | A Call To Men [Basically they want to turn us into slaves]Why does feminism so frequently look exactly like traditionalism? Those demands have always been the gender norms. | /r/MensRights | 06/06/15 07:01 AM |
| 1 | Speaking as a transgirl, I have a few questions as I'd like to gain a better understanding of MRA points, and perhaps share my rare perspective of things (somewhat of a rant).Thanks for coming in with an open mind. I was expecting you to be most concerned about the transphobic reputation this sub and the MRM in general has. There's probably a higher percentage of trans people (M2F at least) in this sub than in the general population. I'm trans-ish myself (I feel a strong gender disphoria but decided not to transition). I think that gender disphoria provides a unique perspective which goes against the dominant "men have it so much better than woman" narrative. | /r/MensRights | 03/06/15 11:21 PM |
| 24 | Speaking as a transgirl, I have a few questions as I'd like to gain a better understanding of MRA points, and perhaps share my rare perspective of things (somewhat of a rant).Why do you assume that this post will bring hate in this sub? | /r/MensRights | 03/06/15 01:25 PM |
| 7 | Women stop trying to get to the top after just TWO years because they are turned off by having to sacrifice it all.It's not always about following and leading. I hat following but I know that a management position means not doing what I'm good at and enjoy. | /r/MensRights | 28/05/15 03:57 AM |
| 3 | Feminist Amanda Hess has her panties in a bunch because another feminist bigot was identified.Feminists use Foucault like a caveman beating someone to death with a Stradivarius. This is the best simile I've heard in a long time. | /r/MensRights | 26/05/15 04:38 AM |
| 4 | Can I be a super liberal, Republican Party-hating, Bernie Sanders supporter, while still being a Men's Rights Activist?The MRM tends to reject the identity politics of the popular left but that does not make it right-wing. Most MRAs have more problems with traditionalism than feminism. | /r/MensRights | 25/05/15 04:57 AM |
| 1 | about men being hostile to women invading male spaces and interestsWhat kind of space is babymetal? The awesome kind. | /r/MensRights | 17/05/15 11:56 PM |
| 1 | Could society's homosexual double-standard actually be rooted in MISANDRY/ANDROPHOBIA rather THAN MISOGYNY?I agree to an extent. Although, I think that the reaction straight men (or even closeted gay men) have had to gay men was driven by a need to distance themselves from homosexuality because to be associated with homosexuality is to have your manhood and therefore your value called into question. The framework attitudes like this exist within is maintained just as much by women as by men. | /r/MensRights | 17/05/15 11:52 PM |
| 1 | Could society's homosexual double-standard actually be rooted in MISANDRY/ANDROPHOBIA rather THAN MISOGYNY?The most common example I see is the way single men (after a certain age) are ridiculed as children who refuse to grow up. On the other hand, single women are seen as strong and independent. | /r/MensRights | 17/05/15 11:46 PM |
| 6 | Could society's homosexual double-standard actually be rooted in MISANDRY/ANDROPHOBIA rather THAN MISOGYNY?Just an interesting perspective, and I think it's really ironic that she didn't see that that was an admission that men are held more rigidly to their standards and roles than women are. It's easy when you start from the conclusion. For feminists that conclusion is always "Men are privileged. Women are oppressed." Any explanation which relies on a conflicting model is clearly wrong. No matter how much mental gymnastics is required to reach that conclusion, it's still simpler than questioning pat… | /r/MensRights | 16/05/15 09:51 PM |
| 24 | Salon: "Men's Rights Activists, Beware: Reddit introduces new anti-harassment policy""Stop harassing me with reality!" I wish the real world would just stop hassling me. | /r/MensRights | 15/05/15 01:18 AM |
| 5 | Is the Men's Rights movement a 'backlash' to the Feminist movement, or does it stand on its own?And then there are those of us who are anti-feminist because we believe that the feminist movement promotes a narrative which vilifies men, justifies misandry and prevents the real forces behind gender inequality from being examined. | /r/MensRights | 14/05/15 12:40 AM |
| 1 | Brief Critiques of the MovementThe first is the seeming lack of discussion on intersectionality. You can scoff at me all you want for bringing up a theoretical framework pioneered by feminists, but I think it's a valid one. The idea that everyone faces a unique combination of advantages and disadvantages, not defined by any one attribute (gender, race, sexuality) is a good one. However that's not how feminists apply it. They still maintain that "male" represents a monolithic privileged class and "female" represents a monolith… | /r/MensRights | 13/05/15 11:03 PM |
| 1 | What's a good response to "Why aren't you a feminist?"Nowadays we are all likely to meet people who think they are women, have women’s names, and feminine clothes and lots of eyeshadow, who seem to us to be some kind of ghastly parody, though it isn’t polite to say so. We pretend that all the people passing for female really are. Other delusions may be challenged, but not a man’s delusion that he is female. -Germaine Greer, Feminist Heroine | /r/MensRights | 13/05/15 10:35 PM |
| 29 | CNN Money features the hit game "tampon run" where girls shoot tampons at men: "Overnight, four publications in the UK had picked it up ... the game spread like wildfire." Unfortunately, nobody played the game (you will see why).They laughed, but soon realized how bothered they were by the fact that there was such a taboo around menstruation. We don't talk about bowel movements in most company either. Is that a human rights violation too? | /r/MensRights | 11/05/15 09:20 PM |
| 1 | The difference between sexual empowerment and sexual objectification.The majority of games with female characters either don't have overly-revealing costumes or they give the player a choice. The idea that every female character in every game is hypersexualized is a ridiculous exaggeration. Even Dead or Alive (a game known largely for its breast physics) gives players the option of female costumes like this: Imgur | /r/MensRights | 11/05/15 06:55 AM |
| 1 | The difference between sexual empowerment and sexual objectification.If they don't like playing with a sexualized female avatar and this game has such an avatar central to its aesthetic, why would they want to play? | /r/MensRights | 11/05/15 06:29 AM |
| 1 | The difference between sexual empowerment and sexual objectification.If you're attracted to what someone's doing, not what they look like, it's a little different. Not what they are doing, what they can do for you. Back to the earlier metaphor: A hammer has no more agency than a sculpture. You choose a sculpture based on it's appearance and choose a hammer based on its ability to drive in nails. Both are objects, to be used for your own ends. No one cares about Christian Grey's hopes and dreams, they just care about what he can make them feel. Sure, but that's ba… | /r/MensRights | 11/05/15 06:18 AM |
| 1 | The difference between sexual empowerment and sexual objectification.Perhaps. I would certainly argue, for instance, that army commanders discussing men as if they were nothing but tools to be discarded at will to conquer land, for instance, is objectification of the most awful kind. But this post was about sexual objectification. Sexual objectification of men looks more like Mr Darcy or Christian Grey. Women are not as visual as men and are attracted to what a man can do for/to them rather than what they might do to the man. Because women want to be like that. I… | /r/MensRights | 11/05/15 05:58 AM |
| 1 | The difference between sexual empowerment and sexual objectification.I deny that it is any more objectifying that the way men are frequently represented. It's just that men and women are objectified in different ways. Women as art, men as tools. A hammer has no more agency than a sculpture. I also deny that it is to please only male viewers. Women's magazines are full of sexy women. The fact is that both men and women like to look at attractive women. | /r/MensRights | 11/05/15 05:38 AM |
| 1 | The difference between sexual empowerment and sexual objectification.There are many types of shitty writing repeated across all forms of media. This one is not special. | /r/MensRights | 11/05/15 05:21 AM |
| 1 | The difference between sexual empowerment and sexual objectification.Simply being out of character does not mean it was not a decision made by the character. It is shitty writing but not objectification. | /r/MensRights | 11/05/15 05:07 AM |
| 1 | The difference between sexual empowerment and sexual objectification.They made the choice in every way that any fictional character can make a choice. If you say that what they wear was not their choice then nothing they did was. They are inescabably objectified no matter what they are dressed in. | /r/MensRights | 11/05/15 05:00 AM |
| 1 | The difference between sexual empowerment and sexual objectification.In the context of most stories, what the character wears is their own choice. They have chosen to present their sexuality. | /r/MensRights | 11/05/15 04:55 AM |
| 1 | The difference between sexual empowerment and sexual objectification.Why should sexual objecification be a special case? The way I see it they are equally damaging and the result to the same underlying biases. | /r/MensRights | 11/05/15 04:49 AM |
| 1 | The difference between sexual empowerment and sexual objectification.Would it not then be equally problematic to force male characters to be muscled and armored? | /r/MensRights | 11/05/15 04:37 AM |
| 1 | The difference between sexual empowerment and sexual objectification.My own perspective comes from my gender disphoria. Whenever possible, I choose a female avatar. I lets me interact with a (fictional) world as a woman. It's probably the main reason I play games. I generally quickly lose interest in a game which forces me to play as a male. I don't really appreciate the ridiculously skimpy outfits in some fantasy games (although they are not as common or as compulsory as many feminists would claim) however, I always go for femininity over practicality. I don't w… | /r/MensRights | 11/05/15 04:26 AM |
| 1 | The difference between sexual empowerment and sexual objectification.It is also the fact that to make the female characters heavily muscled would make them unattractive by most standard (while making a man heavily muscled will make them more attractive). Similarly, dressing them in armor, like the male characters, would make them less attractive by concealing their femininity (while a heavily armored man is visually appealing because it emphasizes their masculinity). | /r/MensRights | 11/05/15 03:40 AM |
| 1 | The difference between sexual empowerment and sexual objectification.It's purely aesthetic. Look at some of the weapons in these games, it's not about practicality. The naked female form is widely accepted as pleasing to look at. Not just for heterosexual men (and homosexual women). Heterosexual women and homosexual men can also appreciate the beauty in it. Naked men are currently not so well received. At times in the past the male form was appreciated but not within our current culture. If anything, this represents an underlying cultural bias in favor of women i… | /r/MensRights | 11/05/15 03:24 AM |
| 1 | The difference between sexual empowerment and sexual objectification.Their function is to act as the proxy for the player in the game world. This is true for male and female characters. Their design is an idealized version of attractiveness and power. The source of the difference between male and female characters is not the horny-teenage-male-gaze. It's the fact that different things grant social power for men and women and different things are considered attractive. | /r/MensRights | 11/05/15 03:10 AM |
| 1 | The difference between sexual empowerment and sexual objectification."Objectification" is not the problem here. It's just a convenient way to say "Women are being looked at sexually and I don't like it" These characters are not being viewed as objects. They are active participants in the story, they are the player characters, representing the agency of the player within the game. The choices and actions of these "objectified" characters matter. They decide the fate of the fictional world in which they exist. | /r/MensRights | 11/05/15 02:51 AM |
| 3 | The difference between sexual empowerment and sexual objectification.This is a common myth in feminist though: A choice which has consequences is not a choice. | /r/MensRights | 11/05/15 02:30 AM |
| 1 | The difference between sexual empowerment and sexual objectification.It's the point of the matter. Take video games for instance. Sure, you're really only objectifying pixels. But when you're only objectifying one gender The designs for male and female characters are both power fantasies and idealized representations of what attracts the opposite sex. Traditionally male power comes from direct action, force. Traditionally female power is influence over others. Sexual power over men is a huge part of this. Men don't have skimpy armor because that's not considered … | /r/MensRights | 11/05/15 02:26 AM |
| 4 | The difference between sexual empowerment and sexual objectification.The problem is that this usually comes with the assumption that if a man and woman are involved the man has all of the power. | /r/MensRights | 11/05/15 01:19 AM |
| 2 | Have you ever heard "this thing completely unlike rape is rape" in attempt to ride the full power of the word? Of course you have. Thankfully, there is a word for this thought pattern: the Noncentral FallacyThis is a bit different. This fallacy is about demanding that the judgement applied to most members of a set be applied to exceptional members of the set. What feminists do with rape is try to redefine it to include things that are not actually rape, then demand that these things receive the same judgement as real rape. Although, this writer's examples mostly suck. Only the Martin Luther King example actually works. The key here is that it is not "criminal" which is bad but the implications of t… | /r/MensRights | 10/05/15 12:34 PM |
| 8 | Hate group known as "The Mary Sue" viciously attacks Joss Whedon for ideological impurity.I like his work and it has annoyed me that he's sided with the SJWs. Maybe being on the recieving end of the outrage machine will open his eyes. | /r/MensRights | 05/05/15 02:50 AM |
| 28 | Modern sexism in a nutshell.Let's not adopt the feminist technique of turning everything into sexism. The trope of slaughtering the henchmen but letting the villain live is quite common with male villains. | /r/MensRights | 05/05/15 01:07 AM |
| 5 | Herald on Sunday editorial: Too few men for smart women - Says "nothing wrong with education system" blames boys for failing to get to collegeyou can be incredibly intelligent and insightful and not have a degree. You can also be none of those things and have a degree. There's not really any genius required to get a degree, just literacy (possibly also numeracy delending on the field) and some hard work. demanding a degree is the stupid persons "clever" Most indications of intelligence people accept are quite wrong. My favorite being the assumption that people who use overly-complicated vocabulary and sentence structure are intelligen… | /r/MensRights | 03/05/15 09:54 PM |
| 20 | Woman starts all female company to realize her Utopian dream and benefit the absence of men. Despite having made $500k in the first year she had to shut down due to catfights, jealousy, infighting, competition, sexual aggression and no work was done. Conclusion: she would rather employ males only.It is also counter-evidence for the common feminist mythology that eveything would be puppies and rainbows without men. | /r/MensRights | 03/05/15 03:34 AM |
| 154 | U.N. Report: Women May Need ‘Different Treatment’ to Achieve Economic EqualityFeminism shows its true colours. Equality. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. | /r/MensRights | 29/04/15 02:27 PM |
| 4 | 8 men murdered by the state including two Australians, however woman receives a reprieve from death penalty.The most fucked up thing about it is the fact that the Australian Federal Police were tipped off that these guys were going to be smuggling drugs from Indonesia to Australia. They could have waited for them in Australia and arrested them on arrival (or even stop them before they left) so they could be dealt with by the Australian justice system. Instead, they passed the tip on to Indonesian police so that they could make the arrest, in a country which was known to punish drug smuggling with the … | /r/MensRights | 29/04/15 01:07 AM |
| 5 | 8 men murdered by the state including two Australians, however woman receives a reprieve from death penalty.Why did the woman receive a reprieve? The official story is that she's needed as a witness in another case. In reality it is rather suspicious that, prior to the executions, she was the only one who was getting sympathy from the Indonesian people. The attitude to the rest of the condemned was pretty much "Why is this taking so long? Hurry up and kill them." but there was a campaign to save the woman. | /r/MensRights | 29/04/15 12:48 AM |
| 1 | Who said Feminism wasn't about man hating again?Tumblr is a magical place | /r/MensRights | 23/04/15 11:43 PM |
| 2 | What do MRAs have again females who want to help the cause?You've gotten some angry responses which I don't think you deserve. Some of us here have a bit of a knee-jerk reaction to posts like this because the MRM is frequently accused by its opponents of being misogynistic. We frequently get people posting these accusations on this sub, often in the form of questions. These posts generally come from new accounts, or at least at least accounts which have never posted to this sub before. They tend to hit-and-run, not bothering to reply to any of the respo… | /r/MensRights | 23/04/15 05:51 AM |
| 14 | Why men need feminism.It took an issue men face and turned it into evidence of female victimhood. Definitely feminism. | /r/MensRights | 20/04/15 04:35 AM |
| 2 | I'm a former MRA but became a feminist. Ask me anything.So do black people. does that make the legal system's treatment of black people okay? | /r/MensRights | 20/04/15 04:24 AM |
| 1 | I'm a former MRA but became a feminist. Ask me anything.Men are treated with more suspicion by police and handled more harshly. In many jurisdictions the man is automatically assumed to be the aggressor and arrested in cases of domestic violence. At least where I live, the policy of legal-aid (publicly funded legal representation) is to only work for the woman in a restraining order matter between a man and a woman. (It would be a conflict to represent both, the problem is that the conflict is resolved by only ever representing the woman) Men receive… | /r/MensRights | 20/04/15 04:05 AM |
| 1 | I'm a former MRA but became a feminist. Ask me anything.Bad yes, but as bad as a legal system biased against men at every level? | /r/MensRights | 20/04/15 03:43 AM |
| 1 | I'm a former MRA but became a feminist. Ask me anything.catcalling is actually pretty common. Catcalling in general, maybe. Implied threats of rape made at close proximity, no. You can't look at the frequency of everything which falls into the definition of catcalling, then assume that every case is as bad as the worst example. | /r/MensRights | 20/04/15 03:38 AM |
| 3 | I'm a former MRA but became a feminist. Ask me anything.The thread only has examples from people who felt what happened to them was big enough to post about. Those women who have never had anything near that bad happen to them don't have anything to contribute to the thread. It is a self-selecting group being surveyed, selecting for the worst possible experiences. This represents a minority of women and reports on the actions of a minority of men. | /r/MensRights | 20/04/15 03:29 AM |
| 1 | I'm a former MRA but became a feminist. Ask me anything.So you weigh women being made slightly uncomfortable by a minority of men against men having their lives ruined by the systems which control our society... and find that the women's issue is more important? | /r/MensRights | 20/04/15 03:20 AM |
| 3 | I'm a former MRA but became a feminist. Ask me anything.Do you consider catcalling, even catcalling adolescents, a more important issue than legal bias against men? | /r/MensRights | 20/04/15 03:07 AM |
| -1 | Anita Sarkeesian made Time Magazine's list of the 100 most influential people.Don't worry about it. Hitler was Time's "Man of the Year". | /r/MensRights | 17/04/15 12:44 AM |
| 3 | What's your take on the "who has the power" post?I believe that this article is relevant: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/04/why-garry-trudeau-is-wrong-about-charlie-hebdo/390336/ It's based in a different context (satire and race rather than objectification and gender) but the logic is the same. Define one group as privileged and the other as oppressed then the same action carries different morality based on which group is it performed by or which group it is directed at. | /r/MensRights | 17/04/15 12:35 AM |
| 4 | Feminist vs. Bewildered man [FB drama]I admit that I didn't read the whole thing because I could see it heading into the predictable train-wreck which almost every argument of this type does. Here's the thing. You both seem to hold similar values and (for the part of the argument based on logic) applied relatively sound logic. The problem is that you are starting from different assumptions. She assumes that men hold significantly more power over the state of society than women, you assume a much more equal distribution of influence.… | /r/MensRights | 17/04/15 12:21 AM |
| 1 | project on Men's RightsWell the song was a reference to Marvin the Paranoid Android in The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. It wasn't deliberate. Years ago on another site after someone asked me to characterise my religious beliefs. I described myself as a paranoid agnostic because I didn't know what was out there but I was sure it was out to get me. After writing that I though that Paranoid Agnostic had a nice ring to it so I started using it. Only later did I realise that the familiarity was due to it's similarity … | /r/MensRights | 14/04/15 05:14 AM |
| 1 | project on Men's RightsHow did you know about this sub? | /r/MensRights | 14/04/15 04:33 AM |
| 1 | project on Men's RightsAny reason for using a throwaway account? | /r/MensRights | 14/04/15 04:17 AM |
| 2 | "Are You A Feminist? Take This Quiz To Find Out Once And For All"Feminists don't think that the second question needs to be asked. To them it's not a matter of belief, it's simply objective reality. | /r/MensRights | 08/04/15 10:50 PM |
| 3 | Are there any incorrect facts that are commonly perpetuated within the men's rights movement?/r/badhistory has gotten rather pedantic on a few talking points from the MRM http://np.reddit.com/r/badhistory/search?q=mensrights&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevance&t=all | /r/MensRights | 08/04/15 02:34 AM |
| 1 | Adversarial Feminism is Wrong; Gender Equality Helps EveryoneI was hoping for something positive but rather than tear down the us-vs-them mentality of modern feminism the author reinforces it by relying on the narrative of female oppression. The cure for poverty for everyone, men included, is empowering women to have an equal role in society, instead of treating them as livestock owned by men. Let me be clear on what I'm saying: Men are better off with an equal partner at their side, than they with free livestock. I don't oppose feminism because it wants … | /r/MensRights | 07/04/15 04:33 AM |
| 11 | Some insight would be cool?Unfortunately, the most visible feminists at the moment are either blatantly anti-male or promote a narrative of female victimhood which does not fit reality and is damaging to men. Many of us feel justified in judging the entire movement by these people because, even if you do not agree with them, you give credibility to them by wearing the same label. | /r/MensRights | 04/04/15 08:26 AM |
| 31 | Hoff Sommers, MRA...I love the double think. "Feminism is equality for both genders." "She's not a feminist because she wants equal rights for men." | /r/MensRights | 04/04/15 08:18 AM |
| 20 | Askmen embracing gynocentrismHow to date a feminist: 1) Don't Seriously a woman who feels the need to declare that she's a feminist in a country where women have at-least the same rights as men is going to be a pain in the arse. Find yourself a woman who is in touch with reality. | /r/MensRights | 04/04/15 07:48 AM |
| 10 | "Could Jesus have actually been a woman?" Because, you know, someone that nice could not possibly have been a real dude...The real story, like Leviathan's, is yet more complex. It's an attack by the masculine virtues embodied in the hierarchy – certainty, strength, power, reason – on the feminine ones embodied in Christ – love, compassion, self-sacrifice and unreasoning trust. Because the definition of masculinity isn't innately tied to sacrificing yourself for others? Women may play martyrs but men do the actual dying. | /r/MensRights | 01/04/15 09:25 PM |
| 8 | "Five Stupid Clichés About Women That Are Mostly True" - Can they say these things on Buzzfeed?There’s a sweet spot between being a domineering asshole and a doormat, and we want you to find it. This has been a major problem for me. I don't sit anywhere at all on that scale. I don't want to tell my wife what to do and I don't want my wife to tell me what to do. We are a couple, neither is "in charge". I'm not her father and she isn't my mother. She seems to feel that there needs to be a boss and if I don't take on that role she will. | /r/MensRights | 29/03/15 11:57 PM |
| 2 | I am highly motivated to write a book about men's rights. I need some advice.Are you going to take on feminism in this book? On the one hand, it would make the tone more confrontational and therefore less likely to change anyone's mind. On the other, it would be a way to stir up controversy... and controversy = publicity. If you can get the SJWs to complain loudly about your book then plenty of people will hear about it. Of course, this would make you a target. People have had their lives ruined for saying something which upset these outrage junkies. | /r/MensRights | 29/03/15 11:53 PM |
| 1 | How do you feel about the Red Pill Philosophy vs. MRA philosophy?How do you feel about Red Pill Philosophy? I think that there is a lot of truth in their conceptualization of male-female dynamics. However, where we disagree is that they don't want to change this dynamic. They simply want to perform better within it. Is it bigoted or not? Sometimes the understanding of the trends in women's behavior gets generalized in such a way that it gets applied to every woman, or at least get expressed in such a way that it appears to. The ideas are also often expressed … | /r/MensRights | 27/03/15 12:46 AM |
| 3 | Doris Lessing Quote on Current CultureAs much as I think those words make sense we should be careful using the quote as it was not actually Voltare: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Voltaire#Misattributed It is apparently from Kevin Strom, a white supremacist who was caught with child porn. | /r/MensRights | 23/03/15 12:41 AM |
| 2 | Are there ANY other transMRAs out there?I asked the same question a while back: http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/29do5s/trans_mras/ You might be interested in the responses. | /r/MensRights | 23/03/15 12:21 AM |
| 1 | Guys, this is just something I've got to know. . .Sorry I'm a little late to respond. I spent the weekend being much more manly than I like, pulling up tiles. I'm happy to be back to my cushy desk job. However, this is what I've got to know, guys. Why do very few men take me seriously when I say I'm a lesbian? I think that there's a few possibilities. First, you might live in a redneck area and homosexuality is just something that many people around you simply can't comprehend. Second, your sampling probably has some serious selection bias. You… | /r/MensRights | 23/03/15 12:16 AM |
| 1 | "5 Feminist Heroes Who Were Actually Terrible People"Almost entirely about eugenics. Here's a better example: Nowadays we are all likely to meet people who think they are women, have women’s names, and feminine clothes and lots of eyeshadow, who seem to us to be some kind of ghastly parody, though it isn’t polite to say so. We pretend that all the people passing for female really are. Other delusions may be challenged, but not a man’s delusion that he is female. -Germaine Greer | /r/MensRights | 22/03/15 11:28 PM |
| 0 | "5 Feminist Heroes Who Were Actually Terrible People"some on here are so intent on pleasing feminist lurkers The feminist lurkers vote too | /r/MensRights | 22/03/15 11:26 PM |
| 1 | I can't tell if my friend who posted this is 100% serious or not...Well I guess I've single handedly eliminated rape from the world because I follow every one of those. Do I get a parade or something? | /r/MensRights | 21/03/15 03:15 AM |
| 2 | Various Rantings on FeminismThanks Let me know your thoughts when yo finish/get bored of reading it. | /r/MensRights | 20/03/15 12:04 AM |
| 23 | How do we fight stuff like this without being called misogynic?That's not how Venn diagrams work. One circle is the set "misogyny." Everything in that cIrcle is misogyny. Everything outside it is not misogyny. The other circle is the set "Misandry." Everything in that circle is misandry. Everything outside it is not misandry. Where the two circles overlap is the intersection of the two sets. That is everything which belongs to both sets. As feminism is in that intersection it is both misogyny and misandry. The moral of the story is that Venn diagrams are to… | /r/MensRights | 19/03/15 01:04 PM |
| 47 | How do we fight stuff like this without being called misogynic?According to that diagram, feminism is both misogyny and misandry. ...so it is actually pretty accurate. | /r/MensRights | 19/03/15 02:30 AM |
| 2 | Why asking transgendered people about which sex has it worse, never seems to work.So this person is certain that they are taken more seriously as a man, and in the next breath they mention that they are taken far less seriously on a number of issues, such as when they are in pain, when they complain, or when they need help. But they don't notice this as a contradiction. It's not really a contradiction. There are different ways to be taken seriously. What I believe they are talking about is men's opinions (on traditionally masculine matters) being taken more seriously while a … | /r/MensRights | 19/03/15 01:56 AM |
| 1 | Do feminists actually elevate masculinity?I think they undervalue masculine traits but overvalue masculine roles. All of their measures of equality are about success in traditionally masculine pursuits. They completely ignore the importance of the feminine roles. | /r/MensRights | 17/03/15 01:25 AM |
| 1 | Do feminists actually elevate masculinity?It isn't about sex. Even if you're not interested in sex at all, you still need women to, as it were, give you permission to think certain things. Think of the role of Karen Straughan and others within the MRM (and this is not intended as criticism, incidentally). Were she not about, there's one hell of a lot of guys out there who wouldn't be here. But her presence is a signal - it says 'Guys. You're allowed to think this'. This sums up exactly what brought me to this sub. I'm embarrassed that I… | /r/MensRights | 17/03/15 01:08 AM |
| 8 | "You know what? The anti-feminists are right"women and other marginalized groups Even when satirizing her critics she still maintains the assumption that women are a marginalized group. | /r/MensRights | 16/03/15 06:03 AM |
| 6 | Does Rape Culture Exist?If you use the feminist definition of "rape" then yes. Because most sane people can tell the difference between consentual sex between two drunk people and a guy holding a woman down while he forces himelf on her. | /r/MensRights | 15/03/15 11:19 AM |
| 2 | Feminists now calling them self's men’s rights activists/Wom[a-z]n/ Although I think what they mean is /Wom[ay]n/ | /r/MensRights | 13/03/15 10:31 PM |
| 15 | What is your experience of sexism against men?On the subject of P.E. sexism, after P.E. everyone had to shower. The girls had private stalls while the boys were forced to strip in front of eachother and walk in a line through a row of showers. | /r/MensRights | 13/03/15 08:40 PM |
| 3 | Gender equality: What's in it for men?Actual equality or feminist "equality"? | /r/MensRights | 12/03/15 11:06 PM |
| 3 | Just a question.The general MRM position is that the definition of rape has been broadened too far and that calls to reduce the burden of proof for rape accusations are unjust. The position on male victims is that, even when you look at scenarios which should be rape by any definition (when the victim is underage or being threatened) male victims are not taken seriously. We do not complain that men are not being taken seriously when they claim rape after drunken sex, except to illustrate the imbalance in callin… | /r/MensRights | 11/03/15 01:23 AM |
| 2 | Professor Argues Men are Inferior Beings: Women Are Genetically “Superior to Men”Hypoagency means that a woman's action which initiates the conflict isn't even recognized as an action. A man's reaction will then be seen as the initial action and therefore the one which initiated the conflict. | /r/MensRights | 11/03/15 01:11 AM |
| 3 | According to the director of the Brogaard Lab for Multisensory Research, if a man "withholds sex" he is likely a misogynistNow the question is - how much of that flipped list would just be part of the standard gender script? How much of the standard female role is straight up misandry? Whenever I see a list defining "what is domestic abuse" the intention is always "watch out for men who act like this because they are abusive". Women are rarely compared against these checklists. Which is weird because they almost always define what is seen as perfectly acceptable behavior from a woman. Withholding sex as a manipulati… | /r/MensRights | 09/03/15 11:27 PM |
| 6 | Feminist icon Germaine Greer chastises "ageist" young feminists who don't listen to old feminists, then proudly defends anti-male discrimination saying "I’m a liberation feminist, not an equality feminist. Equality is a profoundly conservative aim and it won’t achieve anything.”The last I heard was that studies of trans* brains has shown structural similarity with the sex they idendified as. However that was a long time ago and I heard it from the trans community so it could have been disproven by now or may have been cherry-picked. I've never looked into it enough to be sure. The fact that I want it to be true is a warning sign that I've not been as critical as I should. | /r/MensRights | 09/03/15 08:39 PM |
| 18 | Feminist icon Germaine Greer chastises "ageist" young feminists who don't listen to old feminists, then proudly defends anti-male discrimination saying "I’m a liberation feminist, not an equality feminist. Equality is a profoundly conservative aim and it won’t achieve anything.”She is talking about trans women. It was the opinions of TERFs like her who made me start to question whether feminism was reaĺly the vehicle for equality it asserted it was. She demonstrates a side of feminism which sees womanhood as an exclusive club which inferior males have no right to join. Over time I came to understand that people like Greer are in the minority in modern feminism but by then I'd already found enough other issues with the movement to never consider myself part of it. | /r/MensRights | 09/03/15 08:17 PM |
| 29 | Feminist icon Germaine Greer chastises "ageist" young feminists who don't listen to old feminists, then proudly defends anti-male discrimination saying "I’m a liberation feminist, not an equality feminist. Equality is a profoundly conservative aim and it won’t achieve anything.”This tells me everything I need to know about her: Nowadays we are all likely to meet people who think they are women, have women’s names, and feminine clothes and lots of eyeshadow, who seem to us to be some kind of ghastly parody, though it isn’t polite to say so. We pretend that all the people passing for female really are. Other delusions may be challenged, but not a man’s delusion that he is female. | /r/MensRights | 09/03/15 04:23 PM |
| 10 | A Better World, Run by WomenWould a female President be respected and feared by our enemies, or might they see it as a golden opportunity to attack us? Have you never heard of Margaret Thatcher? | /r/MensRights | 09/03/15 02:08 AM |
| 9 | ITT top commenter states a women's issue (real or so-called), 2nd level commenters explain how it is actually (or also) a men's issue.Men work longer hours, take harder/more dangerous/less satisfying jobs. | /r/MensRights | 09/03/15 02:06 AM |
| 4 | ITT top commenter states a women's issue (real or so-called), 2nd level commenters explain how it is actually (or also) a men's issue.Girls get graded and disciplined less severely. Normal, young male behavior is treated as a disease to be cured. | /r/MensRights | 09/03/15 02:05 AM |
| 12 | ITT top commenter states a women's issue (real or so-called), 2nd level commenters explain how it is actually (or also) a men's issue.Men are taught that they are tools and have no value beyond their usefulness to others. | /r/MensRights | 09/03/15 02:04 AM |
| 8 | ITT top commenter states a women's issue (real or so-called), 2nd level commenters explain how it is actually (or also) a men's issue.Too easy The rape of men isn't even considered rape. | /r/MensRights | 09/03/15 02:03 AM |
| 9 | ITT top commenter states a women's issue (real or so-called), 2nd level commenters explain how it is actually (or also) a men's issue.This one isn't really fair because "bossiness" and "leadership" are two very different behaviors. The fact that some women cannot tell the difference isn't an indication of sexism. But in the spirit of your question... Aggressive men are labelled abusive bullies. Aggressive women are labeled strong and independent. | /r/MensRights | 09/03/15 02:03 AM |
| 5 | I'm genuinely curious, why are you an MRA?it's dragging a worthy cause through the mud I don't think that the problem is that there are people who call themselves feminists but act in ways that make it clear they are actually sexist. That's a problem with any label which anyone can self-identify with. There are MRAs who argue in favor of traditionalism despite the fact that the MRM wants to free men from the disproportionate burdens placed on them by traditionalism. The problem is that other feminists do not openly correct the sexists i… | /r/MensRights | 08/03/15 10:39 AM |
| 0 | Egalitarian, MRA, feminist, can you be all of them, a couple of them, or only one?For instance, access to abortion I believe is an important woman's issue. The ability to have a financial abortion is a men's issue. I think both need each other to really be successful. I think if men are going to ask to not be responsible financially for a child they didn't want, access to abortions for women should be easier to obtain. I am personally against abortion. Personally i believe that both parties accept reponsibility for any potential pregnancy when they decide to have sex but that… | /r/MensRights | 08/03/15 09:12 AM |
| 2 | Egalitarian, MRA, feminist, can you be all of them, a couple of them, or only one?It depends on the type of feminist you are. If your version of feminism believes that men in general are privileged over women in general, and that men use their privileged position to maintain that situation, then it is not compatible with the MRM and, I would argue, not egalitarian. If your feminism recognises that men and women have different privileges and issues, and that the the effect of these on each individual depends on context and a heap of other personal factors, then it is perfectly… | /r/MensRights | 08/03/15 08:52 AM |
| 11 | I'm genuinely curious, why are you an MRA?I got sick of the omnipresent demonization of men. | /r/MensRights | 08/03/15 06:31 AM |
| 16 | Why do most other men attack the Men's Rights movement?Feminism has control of the narrative at the moment. They have for decades. In this narrative: Men carry the original sin of female oppression. The only pennance available is to support feminism. Feminists are intelligent and good. Those who oppose feminism are stupid and evil. Most people don't look past the dominant narratives. | /r/MensRights | 08/03/15 05:51 AM |
| 13 | Should women on campus try and stop MRA groups? : AskFeministsI just found it rather illustrative of the femininst position on free speech and open debate. | /r/MensRights | 07/03/15 03:47 AM |
| 2 | Should women on campus try and stop MRA groups? : AskFeministsSorry about the .compact link. I was on my phone. I thought I'd removed it but clearly I failed. | /r/MensRights | 07/03/15 02:48 AM |
| 16 | Saw this graffiti on my way to work.Dead women can't make false accusations. | /r/MensRights | 04/03/15 11:57 PM |
| 1 | [Question] Is there a men-only space on Reddit?I just think that the concept is inherntly ridiculous. The internet allows us to interact free of all of the labels we had no say in wearing. | /r/MensRights | 04/03/15 10:58 PM |
| 2 | [Question] Is there a men-only space on Reddit?Easy enough to create an alt. | /r/MensRights | 04/03/15 10:54 PM |
| 11 | Anti-MRA but I agree : "Why I Kicked A Guy Off His Bike"She keeps repeating that there was a power imbalance. There clearly was but not in the direction she insists. She was able to kick this kid off his bike and then keep him on the ground, repeatedly kicking him. The power isn't automatically with the person who has the penis. | /r/MensRights | 04/03/15 10:45 PM |
| 11 | [Question] Is there a men-only space on Reddit?How do you ban a gender from an anonymous internet discussion group? Is there a quiz on tampons or something before you can post? | /r/MensRights | 04/03/15 10:35 PM |
| 9 | "Photographer Captures What Male Entitlement Feels Like to Women Who Experience It"Photographer Captures What Male Entitlement Feels Like to Women Who Imagine It | /r/MensRights | 04/03/15 07:01 AM |
| 15 | Female gamer's first session of D&D. Asked what her character is wearing, she responds with feminist diatribe (15:24)you can't shame an outcast who doesn't care if he's an outcast. This is why "gamers" were an incredibly poorly chosen target for feminism. Feminism's tactics rely almost entirely on social rejection. | /r/MensRights | 03/03/15 06:35 PM |
| 2 | Vicitmhood and the benefits – “A Queen For A Day”Thanks. I've been looking for a way to articulate exactly this idea. | /r/MensRights | 03/03/15 04:10 AM |
| 12 | Pretty sure that's a terrible comparison...By the currently agreed definition of rape, I have never raped anyone. You've never spoken to a woman in an elevator? | /r/MensRights | 01/03/15 04:57 PM |
| 15 | Philosophical proof that the MRA position is morally superior to Feminism.I think that in either case the reaction could go either way and in most cases what would happen is that the parents would compartmentalise. They would viciously support their child while remaining just a vehement in their ideology. Your hypothetical parent's hypothetical reactions to hypothetical scenarios don't prove anything. | /r/MensRights | 01/03/15 08:01 AM |
| 2 | Open discrimination in Japan (Not sure if repost)I think it's actually closer to a "moral panic" I had just taken the stories at face value but, reflecting on the bullshit about "rape culture" in the west, I am wondering if there is actually any issue or if it's just something some group is getting political advantage from. | /r/MensRights | 01/03/15 05:15 AM |
| 2 | Open discrimination in Japan (Not sure if repost)It is still wrong. It is punising all men for the behavior of a minority. | /r/MensRights | 01/03/15 05:07 AM |
| 29 | "It's the law"Outside the gender discrimination I'd also have an issue with being sent to die on the whim of a politician. | /r/MensRights | 01/03/15 04:56 AM |
| 4 | Feminism can prevent male suicideyou misspelled "cause" | /r/MensRights | 26/02/15 08:38 AM |
| 5 | Are you kidding me? "If Our Sons Were Treated Like Our Daughters"Feminism 101 | /r/MensRights | 26/02/15 02:44 AM |
| 28 | Taking high school health class and I see this. Does no one proofread this shit?By the definition used to get those stats I have been raped repeadedly by my wife. They count saying no, then being convinced to change your mind. | /r/MensRights | 25/02/15 12:11 PM |
| 2 | Women live longer but not as well (spin from the major newspaper in my state)I'm not sure how they decide that women live less well. There's the usual wage-gap abuse of statistics plus the insistence that this means women a poorer (ignoring the fact that they tend to marry up) Then there's "Stressed for time" which is something which can only be self-reported and is probably an indication of a lack of time-management skills or ability to cope with stress on the part of the individual. Perhaps a better title would be "Women live longer but complain more" | /r/MensRights | 24/02/15 11:53 PM |
| 12 | Marvel’s female Thor attacks critics who say ‘feminists are ruining everything’: Politically motivated violence, she breaks jaw and says "That's for saying 'feminist' like its a four letter word"*Iron Person | /r/MensRights | 24/02/15 04:55 PM |
| 15 | Marvel’s female Thor attacks critics who say ‘feminists are ruining everything’: Politically motivated violence, she breaks jaw and says "That's for saying 'feminist' like its a four letter word"Part of what ruined The Simpsons for me was that Lisa turned from frustrated genius to whiny SJW. | /r/MensRights | 24/02/15 04:51 PM |
| 3 | Women are leaving the tech industry in drovesTech is one of the worst industries for work-life balance. As women value that more than men, it makes it likely that fewer women will thrive in the field. | /r/MensRights | 24/02/15 09:56 AM |
| 0 | Does the MRM need to be "intersectional?" (discussion in /r/FeMRADebates)Why do you think that's a good idea? This movement needs to gain support from the majority (or at least indifference from the majority and more support than opposition from the rest) of the wider community in order to actually be a force for change. | /r/MensRights | 23/02/15 01:20 AM |
| 3 | Does the MRM need to be "intersectional?" (discussion in /r/FeMRADebates)It might be a stupid question, but what's /r/FeMRADebates[1] and what is it for? It's a sub where Feminists and MRAs debate they same types of issues we discuss here. It has some rather strict moderation in order to encourage civil debate and try to stop one side from driving the other away. In practice, most of the posters are on the MRA (or anti-feminist) side and the feminists are not generally representative of the type of pop-feminism we take issue with here. Is there a reason that they can… | /r/MensRights | 23/02/15 01:17 AM |
| 1 | Does the MRM need to be "intersectional?" (discussion in /r/FeMRADebates)Using the term "intersectional" is a bad idea. Yeah, I just copied the title from my post in /r/FeMRADebates. I used the term there (although in quotes) because that was the language used in the criticism I saw there. | /r/MensRights | 23/02/15 12:54 AM |
| 2 | Does the MRM need to be "intersectional?" (discussion in /r/FeMRADebates)Why would you want to try and discuss anything in a place where you're not allowed to discuss? I went there hoping to actually argue my position on issues of gender. /r/MensRights is full of people who agree with me on most of these issues. It's a bit of an echo chamber and that's not the best environment for refining ideas. They don't really censor ideas, just certain ways of expressing those ideas. Yes, I find the moderation policies extremely frustrating at times. I've had a few of my posts d… | /r/MensRights | 23/02/15 12:51 AM |
| 6 | Does the MRM need to be "intersectional?" (discussion in /r/FeMRADebates)Considering it's a pro-feminist / censorship site i question why you linked to it here. if anyone goes over there from here they will just get banned. I am currently more active over there than here. The moderation is very strict but there seems to be a greater MRA/anti-feminist than feminist presence there. | /r/MensRights | 23/02/15 12:04 AM |
| 6 | Interesting poll from 2001: women have high opinion of themselves, men have high opinion of...womenIt also ignores the creativity required in many technical fields. Art is not the only thing that requires creativity. It's simply the only field which allows one to express their creativity with a minimum of technical ability. As a software developer, I constantly need to come up with novel solution to problems. Basically, anything in programming which does not require creativity is quickly automated so programmers won't need to waste time on it again. Mathematicians need massive levels of creat… | /r/MensRights | 22/02/15 11:58 PM |
| 9 | Does the MRM need to be "intersectional?" (discussion in /r/FeMRADebates)The subject of "intersectionality" in the MRM came up a couple of times recently in /r/FeMRADebates and the criticisms of the MRM in this context seemed very similar to the "why doesn't the MRM do anything for trans men" posts we regularly get here from throwaway accounts. I started a discussion to try to analyse why people think that this is a valid criticism and perhaps convince them otherwise. Anyway. While I don't agree with them, it seems that this is something that many people expect from … | /r/MensRights | 22/02/15 11:40 PM |
| 1 | Worth Engaging?I'm on a phone at the moment so it is tricky to double-check but that sounds very similar to a recent post on Cracked.com. That site went full timblr in the past couple of years. | /r/MensRights | 22/02/15 12:50 AM |
| 1 | Would you say you are opposed to all feminism?I posted about this yesterday in /r/FeMRADebates: http://np.reddit.com/r/FeMRADebates/comments/2whmzh/what_is_an_antifeminist/ Yes, It's a form of feminism which I am opposed to. Specifically, it's the feminism which pushes a narrative in which women in general are oppressed by men in general. However, I am opposed to the feminist movement as a whole because this movement provides a platform and a shield for the specific feminists I have an issue with. | /r/MensRights | 21/02/15 05:45 AM |
| 0 | What are your opinions on the idea of "rape culture"?"Rape culture" is culture which excuses and encourages rape. If you limit your context to rape of women by men then no, we do not live in a rape culture. Even murderers feel morally superior to rapists and the rest of society supports this opinion. Our heroes can kill, but not rape. Jokes are not rape culture. We can joke about things we think are awful. I've heard jokes about genocide from comedians who obviously didn't excuse and encourage genocide. The only rape which is excused and encourage… | /r/MensRights | 21/02/15 05:24 AM |
| 2 | Mother Accused Of Punching Son For ‘Being Too Feminine And Gay’The "correct" term is internalized misogyny. | /r/MensRights | 20/02/15 10:21 PM |
| 16 | Impossible to be sexism towards men?It's all about maintaining the victim narrative. "Women are oppressed" is the core of their ideology. The conversation goes something like this: Feminist: Women suffer X Rational Human Being: Yes but men suffer Y, which is comparable. F: That doesn't count because X is a symptom of female oppression while Y is just shit that happens. Repeat this for many values of X and Y. RHB: But how can you believe that women are oppressed? F: Women suffer X1, X2, X3...Xn while men don't have any real problem… | /r/MensRights | 20/02/15 11:41 AM |
| 20 | Student Banned from Areas of Campus for Resembling Classmate's RapistI can't remember how SJW poker works. Does racism beat a trigger? | /r/MensRights | 19/02/15 09:27 AM |
| 2 | Let's have a talk r/MensRightsIt's not just legal enforcement. We need to reduce the social penalty for gender non-conformity too. The existence of roles are fine. The weakminded with no identity of their own need them as an instruction manual. It's only a problem when those roles are forced on people who have their own ideas about who they want to be. | /r/MensRights | 19/02/15 08:18 AM |
| 1 | Let's have a talk r/MensRightsSome of us don't even like men very much I was pretty much as misandric as the most rabid feminist. I hated being male and hated other males for the way they treated me when I failed to act masculine enough. Then I heard the anti-male rhetoric from feminists and realised that they see no difference between me and other men. I have a penis. The only roles open for me in their world view are villain and penitent sinner. In order to defend myself I had to defend men in general and started to see ho… | /r/MensRights | 19/02/15 08:04 AM |
| 4 | Feminists perform a gender reversal in some adverts. I don't see a difference in the weirdness, just wouldn't appeal to the same target audience.Seeing men like this is ridiculous....so why isn't it with women? Most of those seemed completely equivalent with the genders switched. The Go Daddy one actually looked less ridiculous because we still find nerdy, awkward girls attractive. The only one that was ridiculous with a man instead of a woman was the one that relied on the fact that the female form and female sexuality is generally considered attractive while male is not. If anything that represents female privilege. | /r/MensRights | 19/02/15 03:37 AM |
| 3 | Let's have a talk r/MensRightsPersonally, I'm more of an anti-feminist than an MRA. My primary concern is the narrative that pop-feminism is building against men. My 'activism' therefore takes the form of deconstructing that narrative. | /r/MensRights | 19/02/15 03:30 AM |
| 5 | A question to MRAsWell I think I can finally see your agenda in coming here with a throwaway account and posing your question. I wish I could say I was surprised Because you only care about men, and only one kind of men. We care about a great many things that the MRM does not deal with. I personally think it is tragic that people with ambiguous genitalia are arbitrarily assigned a gender and physically altered to fit it before they have an opportunity to express their own gender. However, that is an issue for int… | /r/MensRights | 18/02/15 05:32 AM |
| 7 | A question to MRAsI count black men as men. However, the issues they face because they are black are not the domain of the MRM (the issue they face because they are men are). | /r/MensRights | 18/02/15 05:06 AM |
| 2 | A question to MRAsBetter than choosing wrong and making the operation to go the right way harder and less successful. | /r/MensRights | 18/02/15 04:48 AM |
| 3 | A question to MRAsI don't know if you'll get a consensus on this as it isn't directly related to men's rights. Personally I believe they should not be surgically altered until they are able to decide which sex is more in line with their gender identity. | /r/MensRights | 18/02/15 04:20 AM |
| 31 | Australian feminist workforce agency has given up any pretense of comparing equal work for equal pay in gender pay gap. Now, "pay equity" is simply about making sure women earn the same as men, regardless of their own choices.I'm not sure about the rest of the world but In Australia we have laws against "indirect discrimination" which basically means it's not enough to simply not discriminate based on gender. It's also illegal to base hiring decisions on other things which are the result of gender. I don't have access to a case law database at the moment but I've heard about a case where female teachers successfully sued the education department on the basis of indirect discrimination because teachers willing to work… | /r/MensRights | 18/02/15 01:21 AM |
| 2 | Chris Hedges: ‘Pornography Is What the End of the World Looks Like’It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel aroused. | /r/MensRights | 16/02/15 10:00 PM |
| 3 | Men’s Pay Being Reduced To Match Women’s SalaryIt sounds to me like it's two people in the same department doing the same job. Same qualifications? From the same institutions? Same prior experience? Not just length of experience but also type? Same hire date? Same use of leave? Including sick/carer's/parental leave? Same productivity? | /r/MensRights | 14/02/15 10:11 PM |
| 61 | Men’s Pay Being Reduced To Match Women’s SalaryWill the men also be reducing their hours and dedication to work to match women? | /r/MensRights | 14/02/15 11:52 AM |
| 7 | [Meta] Getting kinda sick of the liberal-bashing in hereUnder progressissivism, men are more individually disposable than women and men punished for the prices they pay to keep society going. Under conservatism, men are more individually disposable than women and get rewards for the price that they pay to keep society going. That was the best summary of the problem I've read. Nobody is going to take care of men, but at least the conservatives will let them keep what they earn. | /r/MensRights | 11/02/15 11:19 PM |
| 1 | [Meta] Getting kinda sick of the liberal-bashing in hereFeminism on the other hand is sickeningly capitalist The focus on equal outcomes (rather than having a level playing-field and letting the market decide) makes feminism look rather socialist to me. | /r/MensRights | 11/02/15 11:16 PM |
| 4 | [Meta] Getting kinda sick of the liberal-bashing in hereI think that, like feminism, the political left in general is often mostly about belonging to the 'right team'. Feminists won't call out other feminists. We see it over and over again. A feminist will publicly make some blatantly stupid statement about men. When he hold this up as an example of what is wrong with feminism other feminists will say "no, feminism isn't about that" but you never hear those same 'good' feminists publicly rebut the 'bad' feminists. Why? because it is more important th… | /r/MensRights | 11/02/15 11:12 PM |
| 5 | Female teachers are 'bossy'. Male teachers are 'awesome'they jump to the conclusion that the differences are a result of gender bias. They don't jump to the conclusion. They are already standing there. Modern feminism is mostly an exercise in promoting the narrative that women are oppressed by men. | /r/MensRights | 11/02/15 01:24 AM |
| 3 | Opinions on #notallmenFeminist hypocrisy. The movement which fights against any negative generalisation being made about women defends its right to make negative generalisations about men. | /r/MensRights | 10/02/15 06:36 AM |
| 7 | Feminist Fallacies: Common fallacious arguments made by feministsA common feminist tactic is the "motte and bailey." It could be described as strategic equivocation although I'm not entirely convinced that most feminists are aware that they are doing it. Other than that, they mostly resort to emotive tactics rather than logical fallacies. Their favorites seem to be shaming tactics. | /r/MensRights | 09/02/15 07:04 AM |
| 0 | Philosophy of manAs far as it matters for the purpose of this sub, a man is anyone who is treated as a man by society. We care about the injustices inflicted on men by society because they are men. If society treats you like a man then you will face those issues regardless of your chromosomes, genitals or gender identity. | /r/MensRights | 09/02/15 06:54 AM |
| 5 | Feminist Fallacies: Common fallacious arguments made by feministsI'm not sure you're applying all of those those concepts correctly. I'll only address some of them here because others seem borderline. I'm not attacking you or what you're trying to do here. I just believe that it is important that we are as correct as possible in our arguments because there are a great many people who will use the slightest flaw in our argument as an excuse to dismiss our entire position. No True Scotsman Your first example as you describe it is a no true Scotsman. However, th… | /r/MensRights | 09/02/15 06:35 AM |
| 6 | Why being a MRA and a Feminist is NOT mutually exclusive.How the hell are men an institution? Power held by an individual man gives no benefit to any other man. | /r/MensRights | 09/02/15 04:54 AM |
| 4 | Why being a MRA and a Feminist is NOT mutually exclusive.But it still does mean that men are the ones that have power over most of the decisions that are made in this world. Nope. It means that rich people are the ones that have power over most of the decisions that are made in the world. It may be the case that the super-rich are disproportionately male but that is a negligible percentage of the total number of men. To say that this means men have power is the same as saying that men are pedophiles because pedophiles are disproportionately male. | /r/MensRights | 09/02/15 04:32 AM |
| 7 | Why being a MRA and a Feminist is NOT mutually exclusive.There is so much here to discuss. THE biggest thing that you seem to have wrong is the idea that politicians actually are the voice of their electors. This is not the case at all in pretty much an state in the world. The people who have authority, are the ones with money. Politicians typically have money, especially when they get to high ranking offices. Even within that cynical interpretation of the democratic process, the inequalities are due to differences in wealth, not differences in genita… | /r/MensRights | 09/02/15 04:18 AM |
| 5 | Why being a MRA and a Feminist is NOT mutually exclusive.I've been a lurker and a subscriber to /r/mensrights[1] for a long time. Then you should already be familiar with everything I'm about to say. And what I have seen countless times is how it seems as though the people here generally dislike feminists. The reasons for this are frequently explained but I'll go over them up after I've addressed the rest of your post. MOST feminists are not the angry fat lesbians that come to mind when the word comes up Our opposition to feminism is not built on any … | /r/MensRights | 09/02/15 03:09 AM |
| 3 | Are male adoptive children less desirable than female children in the US?Boys are tools, girls are luxury goods. A boy will grow up into a man who is obligated to earn his value through being useful. A girl has innate value. It makes sense that affluent people want girls while people in developing nations want boys. Poor people have more use for a pick-up truck than a Ferrari. | /r/MensRights | 09/02/15 12:52 AM |
| 10 | Do you have a problem with feminism as a movement, or just specific feminists?Feminism may not be monolithic but, to those who wield it, it provides the same benefits a monolithic movement would. They can take credit for the good things that members of the movement have achieved (but refuse to be held accountable for the harm other feminists have done). They can leverage the illusion of support for their ideology from all of the people who also wear the label "feminist" even if their ideologies have little in common. They can count on other feminists (even those of differ… | /r/MensRights | 08/02/15 01:09 AM |
| 3 | What statements/generalizations about men are you tired of hearing from women?The evidence does appear to be on your side. I'd actually never heard the feminist usage before. Here's an example of what I understood it to mean: http://askatranswoman.tumblr.com/post/100453044299/how-late-is-too-late-for-mtf-transition-i-know | /r/MensRights | 06/02/15 02:42 AM |
| 4 | What statements/generalizations about men are you tired of hearing from women?"Testosterone poisoning" was a phrase used among M2F transsexuals back when I was active in the community. It referred to the irreversible physical changes testosterone produces, making the process of transitioning rather urgent. | /r/MensRights | 05/02/15 11:56 PM |
| 1 | Socialization or nature?By "gender" do you mean someone's personal identity as either male or female or do you mean the traits commonly expressed by each? | /r/MensRights | 05/02/15 05:24 AM |
| 32 | reddit admins holding "meetings had with experts, activists, victims, lawyers, community managers, founders"You are neither the right type of victim nor the right type of activist. | /r/MensRights | 03/02/15 12:47 PM |
| 1 | Woman get Postpartum depression, but not men?During our prenatal class we were informed that men could be affected by postpartum depression but we were also strongly encouraged to be supportive of our wives. My wife and I had a child through IVF. Every step of the way it was made clear that there was emotional support available for her, no mention of it for me. Even before the first meeting with the IVF specialist there was a questionnaire to look for possible signs of depression. It somehow ended up in my stack of paperwork (there was a l… | /r/MensRights | 31/01/15 11:21 AM |
| 3 | When did MRAs become the male version of feminists?Manspreading is the latest attack in the ongoing feminist campaign to paint men as the villains and women as the victims. Why is this important to men's rights? Because once you consider someone as the villain you cease to have any empathy for them. You celebrate their pain and humiliation. Go watch Home Alone and consider the abuse the two bad guys receive. This is a family movie and we are laughing at the most horrible things being done to these men. Why? because they are the bad guys. Anythin… | /r/MensRights | 30/01/15 03:23 AM |
| 2 | Transsexual men to be included in MRM?"Feminism hurts women too" | /r/MensRights | 30/01/15 03:03 AM |
| 5 | Transsexual men to be included in MRM?Fortunately, on the internet, nobody knows. | /r/MensRights | 29/01/15 11:35 PM |
| 11 | Transsexual men to be included in MRM?I'll first echo what others have already said because it needs to be made completely clear. Trans men are men The MRM only deals with problems men face due to being men. That does not mean we are unsympathetic to trans issues, gay issues, black issues etc. Just that it's not what the movement covers and there are other movements (which members of the MRM are also free to participate in) for those problems. Despite this is it fair to give transsexual men a voice in discussions? Unlike certain typ… | /r/MensRights | 29/01/15 11:02 PM |
| 8 | Science Has Finally Shown That Girls Are Smarter At School Than Boys: Could you imagine if the sexes were reversed there would be all out hysteria throwing all available resources to address the problem...but because its boys we just jeer and turn a blind eyeMy teachers though I was the dumbest kid in the class because I rarely did my homework and generally zoned out in class. That is until we had to take this problem-solving/pattern-regognition test for placement in an academic extension programme. I did pretty well on the test and was accepted into the programme but my teacher decided it was a fluke and didnt even bother telling my parents. It was the following year when another teacher stumbled on my results and got me into the programme. | /r/MensRights | 29/01/15 06:18 AM |
| 2 | Science Has Finally Shown That Girls Are Smarter At School Than Boys: Could you imagine if the sexes were reversed there would be all out hysteria throwing all available resources to address the problem...but because its boys we just jeer and turn a blind eyeReal money isn't play money. If it is real money then you have the private education system. Something that already exists. | /r/MensRights | 29/01/15 04:59 AM |
| 0 | Science Has Finally Shown That Girls Are Smarter At School Than Boys: Could you imagine if the sexes were reversed there would be all out hysteria throwing all available resources to address the problem...but because its boys we just jeer and turn a blind eyeYou clearly don't understand what "marketplace" means. You seem to be unclear on what I'm discussing. I'm talking about gender segregation in schools. The marketplace idea, although packed into the same paragraph in the original post is an entirely separate concept. Using it to avoid discussing the flaws in gender segregated education is simply dishonest. However, if you want a marketplace for schools, there already is one: The private school system. A marketplace for publicly funded schools wor… | /r/MensRights | 29/01/15 04:09 AM |
| 3 | Science Has Finally Shown That Girls Are Smarter At School Than Boys: Could you imagine if the sexes were reversed there would be all out hysteria throwing all available resources to address the problem...but because its boys we just jeer and turn a blind eyeRegardless, what you're literally suggesting is that we continue teaching boys in ways known to not work for boys just because you would have been uncomfortable. No. No What I'm literally suggesting is that teaching all boys the way you assume boys prefer to be taught is not the solution. | /r/MensRights | 29/01/15 03:33 AM |
| 14 | Science Has Finally Shown That Girls Are Smarter At School Than Boys: Could you imagine if the sexes were reversed there would be all out hysteria throwing all available resources to address the problem...but because its boys we just jeer and turn a blind eyeThere's at least two problems with that. First, it's the parents, not the student who would be choosing the school. The parents of a particularly girly boy may even decide he needs an all-boy school to toughen him up. Second, parents will choose primarily on the academic performance of the school, not the philosophy by which it is run. This academic performance depends more on the quality of students the school draws than the quality of its teaching. | /r/MensRights | 29/01/15 12:50 AM |
| 5 | Science Has Finally Shown That Girls Are Smarter At School Than Boys: Could you imagine if the sexes were reversed there would be all out hysteria throwing all available resources to address the problem...but because its boys we just jeer and turn a blind eyeI personally don't recall seeing any practical examples of how this may be the case, and personally cannot figure out how schools worldwide could be tailored to girls' learning style. Overall rough play is banned and competition is discouraged. Marks are increasingly being given for interpersonal skills and cooperativeness over actual academic performance From my personal experience: In my senior year of high school a comprehension section was added to the Physics exam, explicitly to make the su… | /r/MensRights | 29/01/15 12:15 AM |
| 18 | Science Has Finally Shown That Girls Are Smarter At School Than Boys: Could you imagine if the sexes were reversed there would be all out hysteria throwing all available resources to address the problem...but because its boys we just jeer and turn a blind eyeThe solution is to split the genders into separate schools. The scientifically recognized differences in learning that exist at least through the 7-8-9th grade levels make that clear. This would make things worse for gender-nonconforming students. An all-male school would have been hell for me. | /r/MensRights | 29/01/15 12:09 AM |
| 5 | Science Has Finally Shown That Girls Are Smarter At School Than Boys: Could you imagine if the sexes were reversed there would be all out hysteria throwing all available resources to address the problem...but because its boys we just jeer and turn a blind eyeScientists now have compelling evidence that girls are smarter — or at least do better at school — than boys. Okay, ignoring the facts that the education system is designed for girls and performance is deliberately measured in ways that suit girls, school performance depends very little on intelligence. It's obedience that matters most in school performance. Any student of average intelligence who just consistently does what the teachers tell them will excel. If anything, significantly above ave… | /r/MensRights | 29/01/15 12:07 AM |
| 2 | Association with the MRMChange the name to Get Rid Of Slimy girlS ...or simply accept that if you publicly discuss the ways in which society disadvantages men you will be challenging the dominant feminist victim narrative and are going to draw some angry responses. | /r/MensRights | 26/01/15 11:14 PM |
| 2 | "Manterrupting?" Never speak when a woman is speaking because she is a woman? There are people that actually believe this shit.There is a huge difference between persuasive and pushy, and that difference is not between the legs of the speaker. | /r/MensRights | 26/01/15 01:00 AM |
| 4 | Which men does the Men's Rights Movement Stand for?In most cases it's easy. A black man will face some issues because he is black and some issues because he is male. In some areas race and sex will result in similar problems and these problems will exacerbate each other. For example, both men and black people are treated more harshly by the criminal justice system. This means that black men get it the worst. From a men's rights perspective we are interested in the male part of this equation. This does not mean we don't care about the treatment o… | /r/MensRights | 25/01/15 11:30 PM |
| 1 | Hey MRAs. I have a few questions :)Would you label a feminist that fights for men's rights an MRA? Probably. It depends on the form that fight takes. If they genuinely address the issues men face then yes. If they justify anti-male rhetoric and actions with "patriarchy hurts men too" then no. Would you label an MRA that fights for women’s rights a feminist? No, it would make them a women's rights activist. Feminism implies ideology more than action. You can support women's rights (most MRAs do) without accepting concepts like pat… | /r/MensRights | 25/01/15 10:18 PM |
| 3 | Which men does the Men's Rights Movement Stand for?The focus is issues which affect men because they are men. There are other movements for the issues black men face because they are black or gay men face because they are gay. Unlike feminism we do not try to hijack other movements in order to legitimise our own. | /r/MensRights | 25/01/15 09:57 PM |
| 2 | The problem with this subreddit./r/MensRights should have higer standards than taking on a movement which actively opposes men's rights? | /r/MensRights | 25/01/15 01:15 AM |
| 3 | MRM, feminism and partisan culturefeminism isnt a hate movement Take most feminist statements about men and replace male/female with black/white and you get easily recognisable hate speech. | /r/MensRights | 24/01/15 04:14 AM |
| 1 | The problem with this subreddit.The biggest obstacle for men's issues being taken seriously is the empathy gap. Women's suffering is taken more seriously than men's. Feminism both uses and reinforces this empathy gap. It is therefore vital to take on feminism. | /r/MensRights | 23/01/15 10:54 AM |
| 11 | I'm the son of an angry lesbian man-hating feminist. AMAWhy do you think your mother failed to indoctrinate you into a being a subservient feminist man? | /r/MensRights | 23/01/15 12:16 AM |
| 2 | Feminism vs MisandryI posted some thoughts related to this last week on /r/FeMRADebates ( here ) Basically, I was arguing that "not all feminists are like that" is not a legitimate way to respond to criticism of feminism. If some feminists publicly express an idea or act in a certain way in the name of feminism and other feminists fail to call them out for it then it is perfectly reasonable to judge feminism as a whole by that idea or action. | /r/MensRights | 20/01/15 11:10 PM |
| 9 | A quote from a BuzzFeed article (of all places) really summed up the response I often get when I mention Men's RightsDon’t misinterpret your feelings of inadequacy for the cultural, social, economic, and political oppression of an entire gender. Feeling personally maligned does not a wider prejudice make. Feminists making statements like this really have zero self-awareness. Every little slight, even imagined ones, is symptomatic of systemic and structural oppression. | /r/MensRights | 16/01/15 11:54 PM |
| 0 | Ok, The cure to your misogyny is here...A good pegging by a strap-on wielding feminist...Dear lord the projection...It is a great illustration of feminist thought. Emphasizing the bad parts of male sexuality (essentially needing to worship women) and eliminating the good (dominance) is somehow liberating for men. | /r/MensRights | 16/01/15 10:15 PM |
| 4 | Sociology Textbook: Higher suicide rates among men are a reflection of freedom and privilegeWould now be a bad time to bring up feminism's favorite response to the rate of male suicide? Women make more attempts. | /r/MensRights | 16/01/15 03:58 AM |
| 10 | "Men - it's time to grow up"a group of entirely white, young middle class men Someone has really done their research. I have to wonder if this is a case of being totally ignorant of the subject but still feeling qualified to comment on it or simply pure dishonesty. Not that it matters, that's pure ad hominem. The MRAs, as they call themselves, came out of their lairs this weekend after your Worcester News’ Catherine Phillips wrote an entirely reasonable article applauding Celebrity Big Brother for ejecting former Baywatch … | /r/MensRights | 16/01/15 03:30 AM |
| 11 | Someone on askreddit is claiming that MRAs don't care about trans issues, is it true? What do you guys think?There is some overlap in gender politics where trans issues are very relevant where they are not in racial issues. Okay, it was a bad analogy. To reduce or eliminate the social consequences of gender non-conformity in men would definitely be a win for trans people but the MRM would not advocate for it on that basis. Instead it is interested in freeing all men from restrictive gender expectations. | /r/MensRights | 13/01/15 12:01 AM |
| 41 | Someone on askreddit is claiming that MRAs don't care about trans issues, is it true? What do you guys think?Trans issues are not really specifically relevant to the MRM in the same way that racial issues are not relevant to feminism. While feminism likes to hitch itself to other equality movements in some bizarre attempt to stay relevant (when it becomes clear that they are failing to demonstrate the oppression of women they will start referring to "women of color"), the MRM tends to stick to the issues its name refers to and let other movements handle their issues. That does not mean the MRM is anti-… | /r/MensRights | 12/01/15 11:30 PM |
| 10 | Not sure what to think about this. What are your thoughts?This is one of feminism's favorite myths. That all problems men face are indirect misogyny. Here's a post from a while ago on the subject: http://np.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/290ji7/because_men_who_dont_conform_to_male_stereotypes/ My favorite posts: http://np.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/290ji7/because_men_who_dont_conform_to_male_stereotypes/cigiwcn?context=3 http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/290ji7/because_men_who_dont_conform_to_male_stereotypes/cigmkvl?context=3 What it… | /r/MensRights | 12/01/15 07:36 AM |
| 6 | Why name this movement Mens Rights?Why name this movement Mens Rights? Because that's what it is about. The purpose of the movement is to draw attention to inequalities faced by men. Is it because you need to be viewed as an opposite of feminism? It is not the opposite of feminism. Many of us are against feminism. We believe that it needs to be dethroned as the dominant framework for discourse on gender before before men's issues can really be addressed. However, opposing feminism does not make it the opposite of feminism. The MR… | /r/MensRights | 12/01/15 04:17 AM |
| 2 | The latest anti-"Nice Guy" rant - The Problem With Ed Sheeran And "Nice Guys" Like HimI'm not so sure it's entirely about the vilification of men. To me it seems more about keeping women on their pedestal. Feminists usually react most strongly to the typical "nice guy" accusation that women just want bastards. If even slightly true, this would mean that women have at least one flaw. Worse than that, they have a flaw that contributes to one of feminism's favorite demonstrations of female oppression: domestic violence. That is totally unacceptable to a feminist. | /r/MensRights | 07/01/15 11:37 PM |
| 2 | How do I recover after being creep-shamed?Just ride out the storm. Everyone else will forget about it long before you do. | /r/MensRights | 07/01/15 07:44 AM |
| 4 | The latest anti-"Nice Guy" rant - The Problem With Ed Sheeran And "Nice Guys" Like HimIt is baffling how feminism seems determined to attack those men who would otherwise be most likely to ally themselves with the movement. Atheists reject the misogynistic dogmas present in the major religions Nerds have little investment in traditional masculinity "Nice guys" are prepared to do whatever a woman wants It's almost like feminism is an abusive spouse. Fortunately many of these battered wives are finally packing their bags and moving out. | /r/MensRights | 07/01/15 07:21 AM |
| 3 | The latest anti-"Nice Guy" rant - The Problem With Ed Sheeran And "Nice Guys" Like HimKaren Straughan had a great take on nice guys, especially on the accusations of "entitlement" (about 10 mins into the video). Basically she points out that feeling entitled to something is the opposite of feeling the need to do things to earn it. | /r/MensRights | 07/01/15 06:34 AM |
| 4 | The latest anti-"Nice Guy" rant - The Problem With Ed Sheeran And "Nice Guys" Like HimI'll accept that "nice guy" is essentially a mating strategy. Some guys think that being nice to women will make them appear as a more suitable romantic partner. It's not an unreasonable idea. It makes sense that people would like people who are nice to them more than people who aren't. Plus, it's what they keep hearing women tell them they want. Other male behaviors around women are also mating strategies. The difference is, they are successful and therefore women do not resent men for using th… | /r/MensRights | 07/01/15 05:35 AM |
| 1 | "Ask Mom" before changing settings on this tablet.I can't figure out whether this is sexist because it assumes that the mother will be doing all of the parenting or simply a silly attempt to be anti-sexist by not assuming that something technical would need a man. | /r/MensRights | 07/01/15 01:13 AM |
| 12 | University of Virginia student leaders' response to Rolling Stone's gang rape hoax fiasco: "We want closed criminal trials on campus shielded from law enforcement that make it really easy to throw men out of school and we want all men to take mandatory women's and gender studies courses."The fastest way to create more anti-feminists is to make the indifferent majority suffer through feminist bullshit classes. The advantage feminism has at the moment is that most people aren't aware of just how hateful and disconnected from reality the ideology is. | /r/MensRights | 07/01/15 01:02 AM |
| 17 | So it turns out /r/socialism is cluttered with folks from SRS and /r/feminism... It's hard being a left wing non-feminist. Anyone else like me out there?!!Yes but affluent pseudointellectuals usually think the far left is trendy. | /r/MensRights | 06/01/15 07:36 AM |
| 9 | Why is any crime against women considered "gender based violence" while crimes against men are just considered ordinary crimes?We live in a patriarchy therefore violence against women is a tool of oppression. Violence against women is a tool of oppression therefore we live in a a patriarchy. | /r/MensRights | 06/01/15 07:26 AM |
| 1 | More Women Go To College But 90% Of Women Only Major In The Absolutely EASIEST Majors and Graduate With Worthless Junk DegreesWe have reached a rather odd and counterproductive state with regard to tertiary education. In the push to get everyone into good jobs through education we forgot that 90% (statistic pulled out of arse to illustrate point) of jobs don't really need the sort of education a university degree generally imparts. This is true even for many of the careers which require a specific degree. University is meant to be for expanding your mind and training the higher cognitive functions, not preparing you to… | /r/MensRights | 06/01/15 01:29 AM |
| 2 | An open letter to the Two Scotts | on Nerds and EntitlementFeminists are just hypocrites. The loud and irritating ones are usually rich, but they like the idea of being oppressed so they say that their life is harder than a coal-miner. The current state of society is such that being the victim grants a weird moral authority. The victim is completely innocent, cannot be blamed for the bad things that happen to them and are not responsible for doing bad things to other people. Their failures are not their fault but their successes (if any) are given great… | /r/MensRights | 06/01/15 12:04 AM |
| 9 | "How to find a feminist boyfriend" by someone or other at the Washpost.How to find a doormat. | /r/MensRights | 05/01/15 01:18 AM |
| 9 | An open letter to the Two Scotts | on Nerds and EntitlementThis is because they don't think people are treated unfairly except via "oppression", which they say men as a group don't experience, so dating failures must be their own fault (or related to some other "oppression points" a man may have). Thus, they say nerds are "entitled," for expressing the same frustrations women do. I think this captures something about feminist thought which I don't think I've seen articulated before. Feminism over-simplifies society. Everything is patriarchy (or kyriarch… | /r/MensRights | 05/01/15 01:07 AM |
| 7 | An open letter to the Two Scotts | on Nerds and EntitlementI think what's going on here, apart from the usual feminist bullying, is that they are trying to justify their lack of attraction toward these men. Instead of simply saying, "look, I don't find you attractive," they are attempting to justify said lack of attraction by imputing sinister intent to the objects of their scorn. This is pretty despicable. It would be like a guy saying "I'm not attracted to fat chicks because they are awful human beings." This fits in well with the overarching (though … | /r/MensRights | 05/01/15 12:48 AM |
| 10 | Let me start by saying "I'm not a man but I agree with the concept of Men's Rights"As I mentioned above and you have undoubtedly figured out by my username, I am not a man. Ashley can be a boy's name too. I don't mean to crash the man cave lol and if my thoughts aren't welcome, I apologize. This is not Calvin and Hobbes' tree-fort. Your sex/gender/whatever is irrelevant to your right to be here and participate. My whole life he told me that one of the most discriminated groups of people in America were straight white men. Straight white men are the only group it is socially (a… | /r/MensRights | 02/01/15 06:27 AM |
| 18 | Men get lessons in parenting to slow rate of family breakdown after survey reveals teenagers are more likely to have smartphones than fathers at home.Hold on. The majority of divorces are initiated by women. Women who then ask for and receive primary custody of the children. Isn't it therefore the women who need classes? | /r/MensRights | 02/01/15 05:10 AM |
| 11 | Tell me about men's rights.All parts of the legal system (police, courts, support services) are biased against men. Men have more a more restricted set of behavior considered socially acceptable. The suffering of women is taken more seriously. Look at news reports of a tragedy. You hear about the victims being "people/children" or "women/girls" but rarely "men/boys". Men's issues are ignored, diminished or even mocked. | /r/MensRights | 02/01/15 03:44 AM |
| 5 | Interviewer tries every cheap and dirty trick to trip up Karen Staughan but she keeps a level head, presents facts and evidence, and gives a great talk.I don't see anything wrong with him in challenging Karen's positions Except for the very end. "I'm going to make a baseless accusation against you but we don't have time for you to respond" | /r/MensRights | 01/01/15 11:36 PM |
| 2 | I can't help but thin that if "men's rights were replaced by "feminism", there would be a shit-storm/downvote brigadeGreat points but I meant: How to we correct the fact that most people outside of the MRM (if they have heard of it) have such an inaccurate idea of what we are about? I feel that, when we correct someone who presents an ignorant opinion on the MRM it's already too late. We just appear defensive and are unlikely to change anyone's mind. There's also likely to be a large number of people carrying around similar opinions of us but who never express them in any way that would allow us to rebut them.… | /r/MensRights | 01/01/15 12:56 PM |
| 5 | I can't help but thin that if "men's rights were replaced by "feminism", there would be a shit-storm/downvote brigadeWhat is it that allows others to develop such warped ideas of who we are? More importantly, does anyone have any idea how to correct it. | /r/MensRights | 01/01/15 06:54 AM |
| 1 | What does everyone think about child support payments?If the father has the legal right to have his children 50% of the time but, for whatever reason, he does not exercise it then it is fair for him to pay half of the expenses. | /r/MensRights | 31/12/14 02:08 AM |
| 1 | What does everyone think about child support payments?That's a slightly different scenario to a father being told by a court that he only gets to see his child 5% of the time. | /r/MensRights | 31/12/14 01:22 AM |
| 0 | What does everyone think about child support payments?Yes, I have a child. Well $350 out of $1000 is 35%. Do separated fathers generally have their children 1/3 of the time? Then there is the fact that, the father is also paying any expenses incurred while the child is with them, on top of what they give the mother. | /r/MensRights | 31/12/14 01:03 AM |
| 5 | What does everyone think about child support payments?I think that the amount each parent pays toward the child should be proportional to the access they have. It is ridiculous that the father can have 8 hours of access a week but be expected to pay the majority of the expenses. | /r/MensRights | 30/12/14 08:57 AM |
| 1 | On Nerd Entitlement (feminist response to "What it’s like being a shy male geek in a feminist world")Yeah. I think I made it 3/4 of the way but it just dissolved further and further into feminist assumptions of patriarchy and female oppression. | /r/MensRights | 30/12/14 02:28 AM |
| 14 | On Nerd Entitlement (feminist response to "What it’s like being a shy male geek in a feminist world")What fascinates me about Aaronson's piece, in which there was such raw, honest suffering, was that there was not one mention of women in any respect other than how they might relieve him from his pain by taking pity, or educating him differently. I'm almost convinced she's deliberately missing the point. He never once suggested that women needed to take pity on him. He was talking about his own issues, caused largely by feminist shaming of male sexuality. The only mention he makes of the behavio… | /r/MensRights | 30/12/14 02:26 AM |
| 3 | What it’s like being a shy male geek in a feminist worldWow. To put it in tumblr feminist terms, I literally can't even. Sure, guys can be superficial but at least they are honest about how they judge women. This woman can't even be honest with herself, let alone everyone else. It's not that you find shy awkward men unattractive, you have to tell yourself that they are actively being creepy. | /r/MensRights | 30/12/14 02:05 AM |
| 4 | On Nerd Entitlement (feminist response to "What it’s like being a shy male geek in a feminist world")Original thread: http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/2qontx/what_its_like_being_a_shy_male_geek_in_a_feminist/ Here's a feminist womansplaining away a man's lived experiences (oh God I felt dirty writing that) | /r/MensRights | 30/12/14 01:01 AM |
| 1 | Anita sarkisian: sexism against men is impossible.Even better if terms can have two different definitions which you can switch at will | /r/MensRights | 30/12/14 12:18 AM |
| 2 | What is the MRM view on marriage?It is unlikely that both parties will agree on how to share these things in the event of a breakup. In the absence of a binding agreement made before the breakup there needs to be someone with the final say. Ideally this someone will be a neutral third party who applies a consistent set of rules in making their decision. | /r/MensRights | 29/12/14 01:21 PM |
| 1 | What is the MRM view on marriage?As I stated above, I think that a committed relationship is the best situation in which to raise children. A framework which promotes and assists the maintenance of such a relationship is therefore a good thing. | /r/MensRights | 29/12/14 07:59 AM |
| 1 | What is the MRM view on marriage?Marriage is a contract. The government regularly enforces contracts. | /r/MensRights | 29/12/14 07:48 AM |
| 1 | What is the MRM view on marriage?I do not believe we should return to the traditional view of marriage. Modern society needs a modern framework. There will, by necessity be obligations but they must now be symmetrical. | /r/MensRights | 29/12/14 07:23 AM |
| 1 | The Sexodus, Part 2: Dishonest Feminist Panics Leave Male Sexuality In Crisisbut can you point out how the article is specifically wrong? It's wrong due to the authors obsession with genitalia. For someone who believes that their own limbs do not belong to them, the problem is entirely about their body. For a transgendered person they come to hate their genitalia, not simply for the physical reality of the shape of the bits between their legs but because of how that physical reality defines them as something they don't feel they are. A male-to-female transsexual does not… | /r/MensRights | 29/12/14 07:20 AM |
| 3 | What is the MRM view on marriage?For the woman, the marriage contract handed total legal control of her life over to the man. In marriage, the two were treated as a single entity in terms of property and contracts and the man had total control in that area. | /r/MensRights | 29/12/14 06:56 AM |
| 1 | What is the MRM view on marriage?Australia | /r/MensRights | 29/12/14 06:45 AM |
| 1 | What is the MRM view on marriage?I don't know what it is like where you are from but in my country de-facto relationships are dealt with in pretty much the same way as marriage. Basically if you live with a woman for too long and she will have exactly the same claim over your property as she would if you were married. | /r/MensRights | 29/12/14 06:43 AM |
| 2 | What is the MRM view on marriage?Gay and unmarried straight couples have been breaking up literally forever. There is simply no need whatsoever for dealing with this through a special court. The moment there is shared property there is a need for some framework to decide how to split it. | /r/MensRights | 29/12/14 06:35 AM |
| 1 | What is the MRM view on marriage?It has always been about providing security for women at man's expense. Historically, marriage involved obligations on the part of each party to the other. As much as the man was chained to the woman, the woman was chained to the man. The problem is that feminism has freed women from their obligations and added further obligations to men. | /r/MensRights | 29/12/14 06:32 AM |
| 2 | What is the MRM view on marriage?Whether or not official civil marriage exists there will need to be a legal framework for dealing with children and shared property when a cohabiting relationship ends. | /r/MensRights | 29/12/14 06:22 AM |
| 54 | Anita sarkisian: sexism against men is impossible.There’s no such thing as sexism against men. That's because sexism is prejudice + power. Men are the dominant gender with power in society. This perfectly sums up why the MRM needs to take down feminism as the dominant ideology on gender. While the myth that men are the "dominant gender" is allowed to continue sexism against men will never be taken seriously. | /r/MensRights | 29/12/14 05:59 AM |
| 8 | What is the MRM view on marriage?We are not a hivemind. I think you will find a broad range of opinions. In terms of men's rights though, the question is not whether marriage should exist as a legal institution but whether the current legal framework relating to marriage is biased in women's favor. The answer to that question is probably yes. | /r/MensRights | 29/12/14 05:45 AM |
| 10 | What is the MRM view on marriage?I think that a committed relationship is the best situation in which to raise children. Marriage was a promise to remain in that relationship in the long-term. It has lost a great deal of that meaning though. | /r/MensRights | 29/12/14 05:37 AM |
| 3 | When Everything Becomes MysogynyI think the point was that there should not be a leader who is treated as above criticism. | /r/MensRights | 29/12/14 05:33 AM |
| 8 | What it’s like being a shy male geek in a feminist worldI don't know if a link to this comment has been posted before. I just saw it in a comment over in /r/FeMRADebates and it hit pretty close to home for me. I didn't develop the neuroses that the author did, probably for two reasons. 1) I fortunately didn't grow up in a society/era that inflicted "you are all rapists" classes on young men. 2) I'm arrogant enough to turn my negative feelings outward instead of inward. However, it really sums up well my feelings about feminist attacks on geeky (predo… | /r/MensRights | 29/12/14 05:22 AM |
| 1 | I am a man who is currently dating a feminist. I still have my testicles. Ask me anythingHow does your girlfriend feel about the Men's Rights Movement? How does she feel about feminist attempts to shame Men's Right's activists into silence and shut down any public discussion of Men's Rights? | /r/MensRights | 29/12/14 04:25 AM |
| 5 | I am a man who is currently dating a feminist. I still have my testicles. Ask me anythingOkay Define "The Patriarchy" and "Rape Culture" Do the two of you believe in female privilege? If so how do you (both of you) feel it compares (in terms of magnitude/significance/effect on daily life of individuals) to male privilege? | /r/MensRights | 29/12/14 04:05 AM |
| 2 | I am a man who is currently dating a feminist. I still have my testicles. Ask me anythingDoes your girlfriend believe in: The Patriarchy Rape Culture Male Privilege | /r/MensRights | 29/12/14 03:53 AM |
| 1 | Why Depression Is Underreported In MenNothing about the term itself conjures up images of serial killers. That's due to media representations of mental illness. Changing the term won't change that. | /r/MensRights | 29/12/14 03:27 AM |
| 1 | Why Depression Is Underreported In MenMental illness is a good thing? | /r/MensRights | 29/12/14 02:40 AM |
| 12 | Husbands Who Shout At Wives Will Face 14 Years In Jail Under New LawAnd women who shout at their husbands? | /r/MensRights | 29/12/14 01:59 AM |
| 1 | Why Depression Is Underreported In MenCretin, Idiot, Imbicile, Moron, Retard, Special... We keep changing the term because the previous one became an insult. No matter what word you choose, if it refers to something negative it will take on negative connotations. | /r/MensRights | 29/12/14 12:15 AM |
| 5 | "Emotional abuse" law is either going to be utterly unenforceable or a total social catastrophe resulting in mass jailing of men at the whim of ticked-off/vindictive women.Yes, the most important word in my post was "If". Similar "emotional abuse" laws already exist and they are almost entirely used as just another weapon against men. The behavior that is classified as emotional abuse is standard female-in-a-relationship behavor: Controlling when a man goes out (woman rarely have to phone home with an excuse to go to the pub after work) Controlling money (look at the stats on which gender makes most spending decisions) Women are often the first to resort to belitt… | /r/MensRights | 24/12/14 02:22 AM |
| 2 | "Learning to respect and protect women: Drivers attend gender sensitisation classes"The feminists don't want to stop rape. If that happened what would they use to justify the continued existence of feminism? | /r/MensRights | 24/12/14 01:02 AM |
| 1 | What are some real women's rights issues that need to be addressed? Please read the comments for how this pertains to MensRights.Telling me this does not provide me with evidence. http://www.pnas.org/content/109/41/16474 If it's an observation, it's not a bias. Do you consider it a bias to believe that if you're rear-ended while riding in a car, chances are you'll experience a whiplash injury? Bias based on statistical reality is still bias. A black person is more likely to be a criminal than a white person. It's still racist to react to all black people as though they were criminals. Similarly, it's bigotted to react to … | /r/MensRights | 24/12/14 12:30 AM |
| 2 | When Australian PM says women are particularly focused on the household budget it causes feminists to lose their sh*tThe previous (left wing) government brought in poorly thought-out feel-good environmental measures that seriously damaged the economy, just as the rest of the world was starting to recover from the GFC. He goes a bit too far the other way (he denies that climate change is a thing) but his primary goal (and what our right wing party has a pretty good record on) is putting the economy back together. | /r/MensRights | 23/12/14 09:33 PM |
| 2 | Efforts to get more male teachers failing [x-post r/newzealand]So is high-school teaching. That's why I quit | /r/MensRights | 23/12/14 05:42 AM |
| 1 | Writing an essay on gender bias, what are main points I should include?If you do list any men's issues make sure that the last one is the fact that the reader probably did not take any of those seriously because the greatest gender bias is the fact that society cares significantly more about women. | /r/MensRights | 23/12/14 05:36 AM |
| 4 | Non straight/cis people of this subreddit, what are issues that specifically involve you?I experience a great deal of gender dysphoria but I can't really claim to be trans since I decided to just live with the sex I was born. For me the biggest issue is that men's gender roles are much more strictly enforced by society than women's. It's socially acceptable for girls to play with boys' toys but not for boys to play with girls'. Women can wear male clothing styles but men cannot wear women's. A woman taking on a traditionally-male role is celebrated. A male taking on traditionally fe… | /r/MensRights | 23/12/14 05:30 AM |
| 13 | "Emotional abuse" law is either going to be utterly unenforceable or a total social catastrophe resulting in mass jailing of men at the whim of ticked-off/vindictive women.If such a law would be applied in an unbiased way, I'd be in favor of it. In my own observations of heterosexual couples, it's the woman who is more likely to be emotionally abusive, controlling what her partner does, who he sees and verbally abusing him when he does not comply. | /r/MensRights | 23/12/14 04:40 AM |
| 1 | What are some real women's rights issues that need to be addressed? Please read the comments for how this pertains to MensRights.You mentioned the presumption that women are less capable. That's not an issue in STEM fields, only a claim feminists make. It is definitely an issue in STEM fields. Studies have shown that professors in the physical sciences assume males are more capable. In computer science/software engineering I carry this bias myself. Due to my observations of women at study and work in this field I do not believe that the average woman is as capable as the average man. I am careful to remember that these ar… | /r/MensRights | 23/12/14 04:16 AM |
| 1 | 10 top tips to end rape (all passive aggressive and most misandristic).Idiots. Is it completely incomprehensible to them that the only thing an individual has control of is their own behavior? It's ridiculous to compare actions an individual woman can take to reduce her personal risk of rape to expecting every other person (male and female) to follow the rules. Sure, it would be great if rape didn't exist but it does. You can either adjust your own behavior to reduce your personal risk, accept the (currently pretty low) risk and get on with your life or wish that t… | /r/MensRights | 22/12/14 06:32 AM |
| 1 | [Serious] Mens Rights vs. FeminismI could care less https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om7O0MFkmpw | /r/MensRights | 22/12/14 03:28 AM |
| 2 | Suggestion: We figure out roughly how many MRAs are feminist refugees.http://xkcd.com/774/ | /r/MensRights | 22/12/14 03:19 AM |
| 2 | Suggestion: We figure out roughly how many MRAs are feminist refugees.Maybe. However, it really wasn't about the direction. It was about realising that the movement wasn't really what it claimed to be. | /r/MensRights | 22/12/14 03:15 AM |
| 3 | Suggestion: We figure out roughly how many MRAs are feminist refugees.The second poll really doesn't capture all possible answers. For me TERFs opened my eyes to the fact that feminism wasn't always about equality and inclusiveness. Once I was open to the idea that feminism might not always be right I stated to notice just how anti-male the movement is. I was pretty misandric myself so I didn't notice it until I looked with a newly-opened mind. | /r/MensRights | 22/12/14 02:48 AM |
| 1 | What are some real women's rights issues that need to be addressed? Please read the comments for how this pertains to MensRights.Eliminating feminism will go a long way toward ending that, not because feminism is the cause, but because feminism is an enabler of it. I agree. That's the reason I chose the example that I did. Another is the drive to make male spaces womansafe. Women perpetuate that by demanding lower performance standards in fields like first responder professions, and by failing to meet the performance standards that men in those professions are expected to meet. I wasn't even thinking about physically dema… | /r/MensRights | 22/12/14 12:55 AM |
| 1 | What are some real women's rights issues that need to be addressed? Please read the comments for how this pertains to MensRights.But where's the actual disadvantage to women here? If a man is infantilized it's a problem because a man has to cope for himself, but women don't. That's the point. Women are protected and coddled relative to men. That's a genuine privilege, not a problem. If a man is infantilized he would not be expected to cope for himself. It is the infantilization of women which spares them the same expectation. Being treated like a child isn't entirely negative. Children are protected, provided for and forg… | /r/MensRights | 22/12/14 12:26 AM |
| 8 | What are some real women's rights issues that need to be addressed? Please read the comments for how this pertains to MensRights.The infantilization of women. That is, seeing and treating women as children. This one is everywhere in society but difficult to see because it is rarely stated as clearly as "women are children." Instead, you hear ideas which superficially appear pro-woman but are built on the myth that women lack agency. For example the idea that women need to be encouraged to enter engineering implies that women are incapable of making career decisions for themselves. The assumption that a woman is less good … | /r/MensRights | 21/12/14 01:44 AM |
| 4 | MIT Computer Scientists Demonstrate... Gender Still MattersGender matters when you go out of your way to bring attention to your gender. Well, I for one am shocked. | /r/MensRights | 19/12/14 09:40 PM |
| 1 | Can feminists and MRAs work together?A fairly recent development has been recognizing that everyone has layers of privilege and oppression which means they are privileged in some ways and simultaneously oppressed in others. You seem to be referring to Intersectionality. That "development" is still more of the same. Every axis (gender, race, sexuality...) is split into the privileged group (male, white, straight...) and the oppressed group (female, black, gay...). The model allows for a man to be on the oppressed side of the equatio… | /r/MensRights | 19/12/14 02:29 AM |
| 4 | Can feminists and MRAs work together?Perhaps, but I think your comment just broke requirement number 2. No. rule 2 was As a result of (1), no generalizations should be made about any gender or sex identity. Feminism is neither a gender not a sex identity. It is an ideological position individuals take up by choice and therefore open to criticism Plus this is a discussion about the validity of your rules, to assume those rules in this discussion would be like to assume a feminist perspective in arguing about whether feminism is nece… | /r/MensRights | 19/12/14 02:20 AM |
| 1 | Can feminists and MRAs work together?All participants must respect and acknowledge the personal anecdotes of other participants, particularly when those anecdotes involve instances of oppression. All participants must respect and acknowledge the fact that personal anecdotes are only of value when discussing an individual's experience, they can neither be generalised to speak to the experiences of any group that individual might belong to nor define the interpretation others make of the same events. | /r/MensRights | 19/12/14 02:17 AM |
| 2 | why is MRA seen as such a negative thing?Women face a glass ceiling Not any more. The only thing holding women back its the fact that they tend to place more importance on having a good work-life balanace than men. Men will work themselves to death for their career. Fewer women are prepared to make that sacrifice. job discrimination The only current discrimination is in women's favor. misogyny When disagreeing with a feminist is labelled misogyny then it's not surprising that feminists see a lot of it. Genuine misandry is much more pre… | /r/MensRights | 19/12/14 12:57 AM |
| 2 | why is MRA seen as such a negative thing?Being born a man is playing the game on easy mode, relative to playing it as a girl though. As I said, feminism controls the narrative this is what we are taught. The sky is blue, water is wet, women are oppressed. Really, If you're born healthy, to educated parents in an affluent country, you're on easy mode no matter what type of genitals you have. However, if we want to hold the gender oppression Olympics, men have a pretty good team. From a very early age, toys and play are divided by gender… | /r/MensRights | 19/12/14 12:09 AM |
| 12 | why is MRA seen as such a negative thing?The MRM is a threat to feminism's fiction that being born male is playing the game on easy mode. Feminism, naturally, is fighting back. Unfortunately feminism has control of the narrative when it comes to gender so if feminism says we suck then that's what most people will believe. | /r/MensRights | 18/12/14 12:54 AM |
| 1 | [Discussion] Is "Misandry" The Best Word To Use?Misandry may not be the perfect word for what we are describing but it is significantly more accurate than the way feminists use misogyny. | /r/MensRights | 17/12/14 09:35 PM |
| 10 | Hi I'm interested in the movement but I have some questions1) We believe that women should have every legal right that a man has 2) What do you mean "accept"? We do not attempt to silence those who disagree with us but we will argue. 3) At least one is listed on the sidebar. 4) We believe that men should be free to fit or not fit gender roles as much as they like. | /r/MensRights | 16/12/14 03:41 AM |
| 1 | New DOJ stats eviscerate "rape culture" notion.But you keep saying that the focus should be on how women get themselves raped, and object to people trying to change that focus. It's a really weak strawman when it directly contradicts something I just wrote. In the context of the MRM I (and I assume most others here) don't actually care whether these discussions take place. That has no relevance to men's rights. All that matters is that these discussion not be accepted as proof of rape culture because rape culture is one of the fictions femin… | /r/MensRights | 15/12/14 03:02 PM |
| 1 | New DOJ stats eviscerate "rape culture" notion.You are expecting me to say these things and, when I don't, you continue as though I had. | /r/MensRights | 15/12/14 02:55 PM |
| 1 | New DOJ stats eviscerate "rape culture" notion.Find out what it all means behind the hyperbole. Feminists believe that we live in a rape culture. They define this phenomenon as a culture in which rape is excused and even encouraged. Victim blaming is a component of this model. It shifts responsibility from the rapist to the victim, thus excusing the rapist. Frequently feminists will include in this model the idea that rape is a tool of patriarchal control. That the threat of rape is used to make women behave in ways that suit men. Victim bla… | /r/MensRights | 15/12/14 02:33 PM |
| 1 | New DOJ stats eviscerate "rape culture" notion.You keep saying what your beliefs are. And you keep ignoring me. Let's try again. You think there should be discussion about women's "improper" behaviour in relation to rape prevention. I believe that discussion of the choices women make which might increase or decrease their personal risk is not victim blaming. To suggest that the choices a rape victim made leading up to the event placed her at increased risk is not the same as saying it was her fault. In the context of the MRM I (and I assume … | /r/MensRights | 15/12/14 01:57 PM |
| 1 | New DOJ stats eviscerate "rape culture" notion.Only your (probably deliberate) misinterpretation of my statements and assumptions about my beliefs. This guy can stand in for me if you like. | /r/MensRights | 15/12/14 10:08 AM |
| 1 | New DOJ stats eviscerate "rape culture" notion.You think rape is so normal and expected it would actually make sense for them to be wearing special nail polish and dipping it in their drinks all night. No but that is beside the point. Date-rape detecting nail polish is a stupid idea because it is designed to mitigate a risk that barely exists and because it provides a potentially-dangerous false sense of security in a world there most date rape is the result of alcohol. However it is not victim blaming. It's evidence of either well-meaning p… | /r/MensRights | 15/12/14 09:41 AM |
| 3 | Feminist logicIt's more than the agent-object problem. There's also the idea that sex is a commodity controlled by women and desired by men. A woman can either give sex (consensual intercourse) or have it taken (rape). They cannot take sex from a man because men don't control that commodity. | /r/MensRights | 15/12/14 12:22 AM |
| 3 | x-post from /r/southpark "male privilege"If you can use any public bathroom without being accused of being a pervert, you have female privilege. | /r/MensRights | 15/12/14 12:14 AM |
| 4 | Harvard Professor criticized for suggesting men more likely to be elite mathematicians, using the same exact argument behind the "men more likely to be idiots" article.The Darwin award aren't even really about the most stupid deaths. They are about the most interesting stupid deaths. All it proves is that when women's stupidity leads to their own deaths, it's in less interesting ways. | /r/MensRights | 15/12/14 12:08 AM |
| 1 | If the "progressive left" exhorts us to accept that only a small percentage of Muslims are terrorists, why can't they (and their feminist allies) accept that only a small percentage of men are rapists? Isn't that consistency in logic?Don't bother with TRPACC on this subject. He seems quite reasonable on other topics but whenever rape culture is mentioned he feels the need to educate the rest of us. I've engaged with him on this a couple of times recently (here and here) and it's a thoroughly frustrating experience. He's so convinced that he's right he doesn't seem to even read the responses and just continues with the sermon. | /r/MensRights | 14/12/14 11:48 PM |
| 1 | New DOJ stats eviscerate "rape culture" notion.And it shouldn't really matter - unless we are Muslim clerics that think its super important to lecture about how they cause rapes by not limiting risk sufficiently, which we are not. I don't care what level of risk women choose to place themselves in. The issue for me, and most MRAs, is dismantling the fiction of rape culture. | /r/MensRights | 14/12/14 07:06 PM |
| 1 | New DOJ stats eviscerate "rape culture" notion.There is no evidence to the contrary. Your source does not say there is no way to limit risk. It demonstrates that the response to any suggestion of how to limit risk is knee-jerk accusations of victim blaming. See also date-rape drug detecting nail-polish. | /r/MensRights | 14/12/14 07:05 PM |
| 5 | Oh, the irony of an article deriding a "drama queen" comment about a fetus turning into a rant about rape and murder committed by men.Negative traits generally attributed to men are toxic masculinity and men need to be trained out of them. Negative traits generally attributed to women are complete falsehoods and the belief in them is pure misogyny. | /r/MensRights | 14/12/14 05:26 AM |
| 1 | New DOJ stats eviscerate "rape culture" notion.Its a counter argument to an argument that doesn't exist You keep insisting this in the face of evidence to the contrary. The slutwalks were started in response to a cop suggesting that less provocative clothing would reduce a woman's personal risk of rape. and we keep using it in the context of ivy league campuses, families, established relationships and among friends and acquaintances ie. the general culture. You are the one countering arguments that don't exist. | /r/MensRights | 13/12/14 10:37 PM |
| 1 | New DOJ stats eviscerate "rape culture" notion.They are trying to erase the idea that the issue is women failing to behave properly. They are trying to erase and discussion that could possibly lead to the suggestion that women might behave improperly. because only men behave improperly Back to the analogy: A rich man who enters a high-crime area and does not take reasonable precautions to reduce his personal risk of being mugged. Has he acted improperly? The answer doesn't really matter. If yes then it is not unreasonable to suggest that a w… | /r/MensRights | 13/12/14 08:52 PM |
| 1 | New DOJ stats eviscerate "rape culture" notion.The analogy is meant as a counter argument to a non existent, imaginary claim that a person cannot elevate their risk. Its a strawman. These straw feminists look awfully realistic. If nobody is saying there is no way to elevate risk They aren't even saying that. They are saying it's misogynistic to discuss the idea that women might have some influence over the risk they face. Given its countering a non existent claim all the constant repetition of it does nothing but state a re state that AVFM b… | /r/MensRights | 13/12/14 07:24 PM |
| 4 | New DOJ stats eviscerate "rape culture" notion.Dean the publication you edit is repeatedly insisting that the correct analogy for women in the general culture is a rich man in a culture synonymous with crime Oh, this one again. The analogy is not about "a rich man in a culture synonymous with crime" it is about a rich man in a time and or place in which there exists a significant risk of crime. In the US, the majority of the residents of these places are black. To say that this analogy is about a "culture synonymous with crime" would imply t… | /r/MensRights | 12/12/14 11:33 PM |
| 1 | Can we talk about this "What was she wearing?" horseshit?Brazil isn't a developing nation. Wikipedia lists Brazil as a developing country. This is not something that happens in a developed nation. Stranger rape can easily take the form of a home invasion, or tricking the victim into inviting them inside their home, knowing the invitation itself will work in the rapist's favor. None of this has anything to do with clothing, but it does have lots to do with accusing the victim of sharing some responsibility. Home invasion is yet another of those differe… | /r/MensRights | 12/12/14 01:04 PM |
| 1 | Can we talk about this "What was she wearing?" horseshit?A dangerous situation, based on their own beliefs - again, where is the evidence that a woman with the confidence to wear eye catching clothing in public is engaging in high risk behavior? As I said, they may be wrong. I don't know what motivates a rapist. However, being wrong would just make it bad advice. It would be far from the most dangerous or most wide-spread false belief. They seem unaware that most sexual assault occurs at home. Most non-feminists are able to distinguish between differe… | /r/MensRights | 12/12/14 07:46 AM |
| 1 | Can we talk about this "What was she wearing?" horseshit?Not rape culture? A minority think that the woman bears some responsibility for placing herself in a dangerous situation. That's hardly proof of rape culture. In some countries, they've even won the debate. Brazil is far from the context we're talking about. Meanwhile, evidence to the contrary disappeared down the internet's memory hole. A list of feminists insisting that that they know what men think. Very convincing. Simply repeating yourself won't make it any more true. Which of these stateme… | /r/MensRights | 12/12/14 06:35 AM |
| 3 | 25 benefits of being a female while gaming - (Presented by 25 diverse female gamers)Feminists tell us that privilege is invisible to the privileged, yet never consider that this might also apply to themselves. | /r/MensRights | 12/12/14 04:20 AM |
| 1 | Can we talk about this "What was she wearing?" horseshit?I'm going to ask you to prove that having the confidence to wear sexy clothing, and attract a lot of eyeballs, is more dangerous than being too afraid of pushing social norms and allowing others to dictate your boundaries? 1) I have not asserted anything about how dangerous it is to wear sexy clothing. If you'll look at the post you are replying to you'll see I even state that it may not be dangerous at all. My point is that it is not victim-blaming to suggest that clothing choices might be a fa… | /r/MensRights | 11/12/14 05:51 AM |
| 2 | Am I the only one that see's the need for MRA and feminist initiatives?There are issues that women face due to being women. These are not legal as women have all of the legal rights that men do plus more and receive preferential treatment from the police, courts and publicly funded legal support services. The issues women face are social. Many of these problems come down to the fact that women are (incorrectly) seen as having less agency than men. They are acted upon rather than acting. There should be a movement for correcting the anti-woman biases in society. how… | /r/MensRights | 11/12/14 02:50 AM |
| 1 | Can we talk about this "What was she wearing?" horseshit?If you plan to keep on debating against what you imagine me to be saying then you don't actually need me here. | /r/MensRights | 10/12/14 02:02 PM |
| 1 | Can we talk about this "What was she wearing?" horseshit?Then where does the meme "Don't teach women not to X. Teach men not to rape." come from? Nobody is saying that X will make rape significantly more likely in every context. That is blatantly ridiculous. The implication is always that it will increase the risk of being raped in those contexts in which rape is already a realistic possibility. | /r/MensRights | 10/12/14 12:28 PM |
| 1 | Can we talk about this "What was she wearing?" horseshit?This is the standard mra position, which corroborates feminists claims about how women are taught to view themselves in the general culture. As mra's tend not to bother finding out whats behind the feminist slogans and hyperbole, we tend not to know that we corroborate their claims. No, this is a (possibly deliberate) misinterpretation of the position that most sane people take. That is that In most contexts the risk of rape is negligible In the contexts in which the risk becomes a legitimate co… | /r/MensRights | 10/12/14 11:03 AM |
| 1 | Can we talk about this "What was she wearing?" horseshit?I said back to you what you are saying. and i corrected your misrepresentation of my position. You just ignored that because it was inconvenient. | /r/MensRights | 10/12/14 10:50 AM |
| 1 | Can we talk about this "What was she wearing?" horseshit?You are the one who has added "in the general culture" to all of my statements. It should be obvious that context matters and I have mentioned that time and place are important a number of times. Hell, the analogy of the guy with a Rolex also implies that. | /r/MensRights | 10/12/14 09:25 AM |
| 1 | Can we talk about this "What was she wearing?" horseshit?I'm not sure I understand what you're asking. Do you mean "It's not generally important to wear anything more than a bikini?" If that's the case then... It's not generally important for the purposes of avoiding rape. It is important for other reasons. | /r/MensRights | 10/12/14 03:00 AM |
| 1 | Can we talk about this "What was she wearing?" horseshit?Because there are other situations in which the risk is non-negligible, just as there are some situations where the risk of being mugged is non-negligible. | /r/MensRights | 10/12/14 02:45 AM |
| 5 | Women are better than men acccording to huffington post.Please choose at most one Women are oppressed by men. Women are superior to men. Because those two beliefs should be mutually exclusive to any rational person. | /r/MensRights | 10/12/14 12:04 AM |
| 7 | "Saying 'boys have issues too' to a feminist is like saying 'white people have issues too' to a black person... You're not wrong but missing the point."I think that we need call call feminists on this every time they make racial analogies for gender issues. Look at the statistics which show that black people are (in general) under-privileged. Some off the top of my head: Incarcerations rates Educational outcomes Homelessness Life expectancy Compare those same stats for men and women. Women aren't the "black people" in this analogy. | /r/MensRights | 09/12/14 11:55 PM |
| 1 | Can we talk about this "What was she wearing?" horseshit?Allow me to quote a part of one of my previous post you ignored: It's not the general culture. In most times and places in modern countries, a woman could around alone in a bikini and still have negligible risk of being raped. Also remember that the risk of violent attack is much greater for men than for women. | /r/MensRights | 09/12/14 11:30 PM |
| 1 | Can we talk about this "What was she wearing?" horseshit?Feminists say women live in a rape culture where rape is expected and normalized and they are expected to act accordingly. Fine. If by "rape is expected and normalized" you mean it is acknowledged that rape occurs and by "they are expected to act accordingly" you mean that it is recognised that a woman's choices influence the probability that she will be raped. Then sure. We live in a rape culture. However, such a statement is virtually meaningless and carries none of the moral weight feminists … | /r/MensRights | 09/12/14 10:57 PM |
| 1 | Can we talk about this "What was she wearing?" horseshit?You keep disagreeing with feminists by saying the same things they are. We agree that rape exists. what we disagree on is whether it is a tool of the patriarchy, used to restrict the freedom of women. I'm not exaggerating. You are repeatedly using a man in an notorious crime spot and illustrate how women should view themselves in the general culture. This is what the feminists are saying, said in a different way. It's not the general culture. In most times and places in modern countries, a woman… | /r/MensRights | 09/12/14 12:54 PM |
| 1 | Can we talk about this "What was she wearing?" horseshit?When it reduces people access to public life and then are blamed for not reducing said access enough. Everything is a tradeoff. You want to do dangerous things, you accept the risk. You want to be safer, you accept some inconvenience. You still have not answered why you think the general culture is to women what a neighbourhood is to you. You are exaggerating. The advice to avoid rape by a stranger is similar to that to avoid mugging. Don't advertise that you have what they want, don't be alone … | /r/MensRights | 09/12/14 11:08 AM |
| 1 | Can we talk about this "What was she wearing?" horseshit?For example. Its convenient to lock a house. Its very inconvenient to wear a burka, never drink, never travel alone because it minimizes risk ect. Advice is suddenly bad because implementing it is inconvenient? What is the inconvenience threshold before pointing out a way to reduce risk becomes oppressive? The right comparison is interpersonal violence. Okay. I know to avoid bad neighbourhoods if I am walking alone at night. To not do so risks becoming a victim of a violent crime. Should I just … | /r/MensRights | 09/12/14 10:37 AM |
| 1 | Can we talk about this "What was she wearing?" horseshit?Because one is breaking into an inanimate object and piece of property, they other is interpersonal violence, like DV. You still haven't given a reason why risk minimisation advice about one crime is good and risk minimisation advice about another is bad. No, everyone understands that concept. Only mra's believe there is some issue with there people people that don't understand that. When risk minimisation advice is given the feminist response is to declare it victim blaming and insist that real… | /r/MensRights | 09/12/14 10:04 AM |
| 1 | Can we talk about this "What was she wearing?" horseshit?No, the are not completely different, Hot weather clothes generally don't show a ridiculous amount of skin. They allow air flow but protect the skin from direct sunlight. Typically people wan't say the issue with domestic violence is the behaviour of the victim. This is about rape. Not domestic violence. What is your point? Homes are irrelevant here. You will have to explain why. In what way, relevant to the analogy, do they differ? Thats not an issue anywhere except in the minds of mras'. Every… | /r/MensRights | 09/12/14 09:44 AM |
| 1 | Can we talk about this "What was she wearing?" horseshit?In other words, a deliberate attempt to look hot is made, or the weather is hot. Suitable hot-weather clothes are completely different to sexually provocative clothes. The argument is that by doing so, it leads to people like you who assume that when people are raped, its because they failed at wearing the right clothes Recognising that your own choices can increase your risk of being a victim of crime is not the same as blaming you for being a victim. Once again, explain why this is different f… | /r/MensRights | 09/12/14 09:07 AM |
| 2 | Can we talk about this "What was she wearing?" horseshit?Which amounts to the same thing. No it does not. One is something innate, something you have little control over. The other is a deliberate decision you made. Wearing sexually revealing clothes is a decision made to show off one's sexuality. There is no link proven. Perhaps. I'm not aware of any research on the subject. My intention is merely to argue that it is not victim blaming to say that advertising your sexuality places you at risk of sexual assault. It may be factually incorrect (that's a… | /r/MensRights | 09/12/14 07:57 AM |
| 1 | Can we talk about this "What was she wearing?" horseshit?Please explain how a woman in the general population looking hot is the equivalent of a man showing off wealth in an area synonymous with crime culture without supporting feminists claims. I didn't say "looking hot" I said "wearing clothes which were designed with the explicit purpose of showing off your sexuality" This is not about existing as an attractive person. It's about taking deliberate measures to present your body sexually. It is advertising that you have something men want in the same… | /r/MensRights | 09/12/14 03:39 AM |
| 1 | Can we talk about this "What was she wearing?" horseshit?Please explain how wearing clothes which were designed with the explicit purpose of showing off your sexuality is different to showing off evidence of wealth. Both advertise that you have something which some subset of the population are prepared to commit crimes against you to obtain. That doesn't place responsibility for the rape on the woman for showing off her body any more than it places responsibility for a mugging on a man for showing off his Rolex. However, criminals exist. That's a fact… | /r/MensRights | 09/12/14 03:03 AM |
| 6 | Remove Anita Sarkeesian from Mirror's Edge 2 game development.EA and Sarkeesian are two of the worst things to happen to the games industry. I say they belong together. | /r/MensRights | 09/12/14 02:24 AM |
| 1 | How do you respond to "that's not what real feminism is about..." ?Ask them to define their version of feminism. Get to the ideology and the underlying assumptions not the sales pitch. Do they believe that patriarchy is an accurate model of society in modern first-world countries? If so, get them to define patriarchy. Do they believe in rape culture? Get them to define it. Do they believe in male privilege? Do they believe in female privilege? Do they think that male privilege gives more advantages than female privilege? Do they believe that male opinions on ge… | /r/MensRights | 09/12/14 02:07 AM |
| 1 | How to end the war on womenabout as effective as the war on drugs | /r/MensRights | 08/12/14 12:10 PM |
| 2 | Ask a Male Feminist!I'm all for removing the presumption and enforcement of gender roles. I actually think that's what he meant here: I want to end gender roles. It's possible that he also believes that those roles area purely social construct. That is the feminist dogma. However, he doesn't seem too familiar with actual feminist theory, since this was his definition of "Patriarchy" a society where one is privilegded to be male Feminists have 2 definitions of patriarchy (the motte and bailey): Restrictive gender ro… | /r/MensRights | 08/12/14 05:38 AM |
| 2 | Ask a Male Feminist!I wasn't expecting much (He is a feminist after all) but I don't think I've ever seen someone so quick to shut down discussion. I am going to stop responding to your questions. You seem to only want to argue with me so I am going to stop replying to you. I am going to stop answering your questions because they are full of fallacies and seem to be trying to start an argument. Im closing shop yall had fun!!1 He didn't even try to defend his position when challenged, instead he just acted like we w… | /r/MensRights | 08/12/14 04:29 AM |
| 4 | Ask a Male Feminist!Patrirachy to me is a society where one is privilegded to be male Well then, for the reasons I listed in my previous post, we clearly do not live in a patriarchy. rape culture to me is a society that rape is normalized and victims are blammed for rape. Then the concept rape culture is also observably false. Rape is recognised as a terrible crime and treated by many as worse than murder. That's far from normalised. At the next party you attend, introduce yourself as a rapist and see how normal yo… | /r/MensRights | 08/12/14 12:38 AM |
| 3 | Ask a Male Feminist!You just interpreted it as "Women as innocent helpless children, men as protectors and providers" No, that's the traditional gender role. That leads to the expectation that men go out of their way for the well-being of women (with no reciprocal expectation placed on women). And that's what she was asking men to do. Please explain how "HeForShe" can be taken any other way. I am going to stop answering your questions because they are full of fallacies and seem to be trying to start an argument. Th… | /r/MensRights | 08/12/14 12:01 AM |
| 2 | Ask a Male Feminist!She was pushing a movement called "HeForShe" Please tell men how that can be interpreted as anything but the expectation that men act for the well-being of women. That's the core of traditional gender roles: Women as innocent helpless children, men as protectors and providers. If it was getting men involved for the well-being of all it would be something like HeWithSheForUs or perhaps just UsForUs | /r/MensRights | 07/12/14 11:41 PM |
| 3 | Ask a Male Feminist!Yet you believe in patriarchy and rape culture. Two concepts pushed by feminism with the clear purpose of forcing men into the role of penitent sinner. Gender roles are still gender roles, even when they aren't traditional. However, feminism reinforces the traditional ones too. Look at Emma Watson's feminism speech, Calling on men to live up to their role as protectors of women. | /r/MensRights | 07/12/14 11:20 PM |
| 3 | Ask a Male Feminist!a) Please define patriarchy and rape culture. b) What advantages do being male grant which outweigh these? (just off the top of my head) An education system engineered to the needs of girls Women receiving significantly less severe sentences for the same crime. The pro-female bias in the family court Girls and women having greater freedom to step outside their traditional gender roles. Massive numbers of support services which cater to women only, almost none for men. The assumption that women a… | /r/MensRights | 07/12/14 11:18 PM |
| 2 | Ask a Male Feminist!Why do you believe feminism will achieve that, or even wants it? | /r/MensRights | 07/12/14 10:54 PM |
| 3 | Ask a Male Feminist!Do you believe in these concepts? Patriarchy (as an accurate model for modern society) Rape culture Male privilege (and the lack of at-least equivalent female privilege) | /r/MensRights | 07/12/14 10:53 PM |
| 1 | "MRAssholes are basically the Klan. You know, 'cept the Klan is probably more inclusive these days."Feminism is an anti-male ideology and it is the dominant framework in which gender is discussed. So long as patriarchy is a starting assumption when looking at gender issues, the problems men face will never be deemed a priority. A woman feeling uncomfortable when a man says "hello" on the street is deemed more important than boys falling further behind in education. | /r/MensRights | 06/12/14 01:34 AM |
| 3 | Women's group wants paid leave for mensurationDo they want special treatment or do they want to be seen as just as valuable as male employees? Those two goals are incompatible. | /r/MensRights | 05/12/14 06:41 AM |
| 1 | Feminism and censorship in recent timesThose who restrict the expression of ideas have rarely been on the right side of history. | /r/MensRights | 04/12/14 10:46 PM |
| 0 | Feminist Frequency - 25 Invisible Benefits of Gaming While Male [It's worthy of discussion but that won't be happening on YouTube...]Most of those come down to women going out of their way to draw attention to the fact that they are women. Why would a female gamer draw attention to the fact that she is female? Because even they know that there are (visible) benefits to gaming while believed to be female. I've played a few MMOs as both male and female characters. Generally while playing as a female character, If asked, I would tell other players that I was a woman in real life. I was always treated better when playing a female… | /r/MensRights | 03/12/14 12:05 AM |
| 1 | What is "your"(you personally) biggest goal for Mens Rights?Maybe we have difference definitions of anti-male Consider the sort of things feminists say about men. For example: "Men need to be taught not to rape" Imagine someone saying something like that about black people. It would be called hate speech and the person making such comments would be shunned by society, probably losing their job. Feminists constantly make generalisations about men based on an infinitesimal minority. Just look at the feminist rhetoric which surrounded Elliot Rodger. Feminis… | /r/MensRights | 02/12/14 12:49 PM |
| 0 | What is "your"(you personally) biggest goal for Mens Rights?Feminism is an ideology built on concepts like patriarchy, male privilege and rape culture. It frames any discussion of gender issues in a way that makes women the innocent victims and men the privileged oppressors. That is anti-male | /r/MensRights | 02/12/14 08:36 AM |
| 5 | Men's Rights Are Not the Opposite of Women's RightsI'm a little disappointed that your response seems to be lost in the noise. Nobody here (as far as I know) is against women's rights. What many of us are against is Feminism. Feminism may claim to be simply a women's right's movement but that is not the reality. It's an ideology with a deeply flawed model of society in which women are simultaneously innocent victims and perfect goddesses and the only roles for men are privileged oppressors or penitent sinners. | /r/MensRights | 02/12/14 03:08 AM |
| 0 | What is "your"(you personally) biggest goal for Mens Rights?get the masses to understand we're not inherently anti-feminist and fight our own,separate issues as well Feminism is inherently anti-male and therefore a big part of addressing men's issues is wrestling control of the the discussion of gender away from that ideology. | /r/MensRights | 02/12/14 02:58 AM |
| 1 | A feminist I know wrote this, What are your thoughts?The feminist movement didn't come out of thin air, it first came from men, regardless of the reasons. The fact that a men's movement didn't move first and that women had so many issues to the point they'd physical act on it when men didn't, says a lot. True, it says a lot, but not what this feminist want you to believe it says. It says that women have always had massive power in our society. It was (and largely still is) also power without accountability. | /r/MensRights | 28/11/14 02:52 AM |
| 3 | I had a discussion with an MRA friend of mineI'd argue feminists aren't all as bad as I see many MRA's claim it is. It's hard to see the good ones amongst those mindlessly re-blogging things like this | /r/MensRights | 26/11/14 04:59 AM |
| 2 | I had a discussion with an MRA friend of mineWe all accept that traditional gender roles exist and that society pressures us to conform to them. The issue is the second part of your definition of "patriarchy", the part I quoted, that insists that society values the masculine over the feminine. The old nursery rhyme tells us that boys are dirty icky things while girls are "all things nice." | /r/MensRights | 26/11/14 03:56 AM |
| 1 | I had a discussion with an MRA friend of mineFurthermore, that things which society says are masculine are good, and feminine things are bad, or at least to be looked down upon. What are little boys made of? What are little boys made of? Snips and snails And puppy-dogs' tails, That's what little boys are made of. What are little girls made of? What are little girls made of? Sugar and spice And everything nice, That's what little girls are made of. - A well-known nursery rhyme from the 19th century and still repeated today | /r/MensRights | 26/11/14 03:31 AM |
| 2 | This is probably irrelevant, but what natural disadvantages do men have? (See menstruation for female examples)Physically men don't have a lot of weaknesses. Until relatively recent history a trait which left men incapable of functioning at near peak performance for a significant length of time would have likely meant his death and the deaths of anyone dependent on him. As such any man who exhibited such weaknesses would be unlikely to pass on his genes Women, on the other hand, have had their weaknesses accommodated. There has been little preventing them being passed on. The exception, and I may be wron… | /r/MensRights | 25/11/14 11:04 AM |
| 29 | "Ann Summers' Jacqueline Gold: 'Why do we feel the need for validation? Men don't'"Men feel the need for validation too. They have just come to terms with the fact they aren't going to get it. | /r/MensRights | 25/11/14 10:48 AM |
| 6 | "Mother charged (with attempted murder) over baby in drain 'deserves compassion, not vilification'"This is infanticide culture | /r/MensRights | 24/11/14 11:48 PM |
| 2 | Should Mens Right Movement name be changed?What else is it about? We often discuss the damage done by feminism to both men and women and present an alternative model of gender relations which many of us believe is more accurate and more productive. However, that's not what the MRM is about. It's about addressing the legal and social bias against men. | /r/MensRights | 24/11/14 11:45 PM |
| 1 | Radfems like to talk about "toxic masculinity". So what examples are there of "toxic femininity"?Feminists believe in toxic femininity. They just call it internalized misogyny because everything is misogyny. | /r/MensRights | 23/11/14 09:55 PM |
| 7 | Emotional abuse can get you 14 years in prison.I wonder how many women have been charged under that law. Men have the advantage in physical conflict but in emotional conflict women do and they use it. | /r/MensRights | 23/11/14 09:40 PM |
| 18 | MTA campaign to target backpacks, 'man spreading'I'd love to see the feminist reaction to a campaign shaming women for their behavior. | /r/MensRights | 22/11/14 01:35 PM |
| 2 | Karl Stefanovic’s same-suit sexism experiment goes globalWell men are allowed such limited variation in how they dress that it is pretty hard to notice. It's always a dark suit. | /r/MensRights | 22/11/14 07:15 AM |
| 3 | I've been asked to appear in a video to discuss feminism and men's rights.If you insist on participating How do men objectify woman on a daily basis? By accepting feminist dogma. Nobody objectifies women quite as well as feminists do. They treat women as though they have no agency. Someone else should always be made responsible for any negative effects of a woman's choices. How can men educate other men on feminism? By pointing out the clear flaws in patriarchy theory and concepts like rape culture and male privilege. What is the "male” role in feminism? The villain | /r/MensRights | 22/11/14 06:48 AM |
| 3 | I've been asked to appear in a video to discuss feminism and men's rights.Have you stopped beating your wife? These questions assume the feminist point of view. They assume that men objectify women, that men will accept feminism if you "educate" them, that men have a moral responsibility to support feminism. If they were balanced they would first ask IF men objectify women, IF men should be educated about feminism, IF men have any responsibility to support feminism. You aren't going to achieve much with such one-sided questions. I would simply not participate. Their c… | /r/MensRights | 22/11/14 06:42 AM |
| 5 | I am the mother of two children and I cannot and will not support feminism.Not really. She still wants her boys to treat women as more valuable than men. She's a traditionalist. | /r/MensRights | 21/11/14 05:45 AM |
| 8 | While browsing Tumblr today, I came across this piece of art....Decisiveness is a tool of the patriarchy. | /r/MensRights | 20/11/14 09:47 PM |
| 0 | Feminists demand global nut-crackingWhat feminists are talking about is the idea that men spread their legs when sitting as a form of "aggression" against women. I generally interpret guys pushing their knees out into other people's personal space as a form of aggression against other men, not women. It's a primitive alpha-male dominance display. "Look how much bigger my genitalia is than yours." | /r/MensRights | 20/11/14 02:42 AM |
| 2 | Feminists demand global nut-crackingAs someone whose genitalia also hangs between his legs, all I have to say is... Stay on your own bloody seat. | /r/MensRights | 20/11/14 12:44 AM |
| 4 | Twine, the Video-Game Technology for All -- (AKA: Twine, a dumbed down platform for SJW's including Zoe Quinn to make lame "games" about being victims.)Twine is a cool tool and you can create interesting interactive stories with it. The stories are interactive and could fit the absolute loosest definition of a computer game. However, using Twine to make an interactive story does not make you a game developer. Twine is designed to protect the writer from any technical work. I found Depression Quest to be an interesting piece of art but Zoe Quinn is not a developer. | /r/MensRights | 20/11/14 12:41 AM |
| 21 | Men commit suicide because of hatred for women. A bunch of feminists, top rated comments, show why men can't find help when they are suicidal or depressed.Same old feminist BS "Society does not respect femininity" Society has no use for femininity in men. In women the feminine is valued over the masculine. It's gender conformity which society promotes, not masculinity. | /r/MensRights | 19/11/14 09:42 AM |
| 1 | Do you see similarities between religious zealots and feminists?People are instinctively religious. Even when we reject traditional religion we tend to fill the hole it leaves with an -ism. It gives us a group to belong to, an identity. It also provides a framework through which we can simplify a complex reality. | /r/MensRights | 17/11/14 09:41 PM |
| 2 | Hey everyone, this popped up on my feed, thoughts?I only accepted that I’d been raped when someone else told me so. Sums it up for me. | /r/MensRights | 17/11/14 12:25 AM |
| 10 | How does the MRM feel about rape culture?It is a feminist myth and in direct contradiction to observable reality. Society does not encourage and excuse the rape of women. Sex crimes are treated as a special class of crime, worse than others. We romanticise murder and theft in fiction but not rape. We explain away those crimes through poverty or poor upbringing but not rape. A rapist is set apart from society. Forever marked by their crime. Not just as evil but disgusting. The only exception is the rape of men. When men rape men it is j… | /r/MensRights | 16/11/14 10:29 PM |
| 152 | I'm a woman and I am now an MRA.Allow me to apologize for the actions of my gender as a whole! Why? You are no more responsible for the behavior of other women than I am. | /r/MensRights | 16/11/14 01:43 AM |
| 1 | Rape is sometimes the woman's faultNo matter what your biological urges might be, human beings are able to choose whether, when and how they satisfy those urges. You either are capable of self control and therefore responsible for not exercising it or you are an animal and should be treated as such. The one at fault in a crime is the offender, not the victim. If I go walking alone at night in a bad neighborhood and get mugged you can say I was fucking stupid but not the one at fault. The one at fault is the mugger. Whatever his o… | /r/MensRights | 16/11/14 01:34 AM |
| 3 | Another quota to appease feminists, I suppose they have a point if a little purile: German politicians announce plans to introduce 50/50 quotas for traffic lights so there are as many flashing green mIt does further demonstrate the greater attention female issues get. We aren't even able to have a real conversation about male victims of domestic violence and the support they need but women are upset that the people on traffic lights don't look like the people outside their public toilets... we've got to do something. | /r/MensRights | 15/11/14 12:27 AM |
| 2 | Another quota to appease feminists, I suppose they have a point if a little purile: German politicians announce plans to introduce 50/50 quotas for traffic lights so there are as many flashing green mIf the biggest issue you face is that you can't identify with the stylised images on pedestrian crossings you're doing pretty well. | /r/MensRights | 15/11/14 12:08 AM |
| 3 | Men’s rights activist: Civilization fails when women and their vaginas are allowed in the workplaceThey need to believe that. If the enemies of feminism aren't traditionalist misogynists reality becomes a little too complex for them. | /r/MensRights | 14/11/14 11:46 PM |
| 1 | From a fellow manFeminism claims to be equality of all genders but it repeatedly asserts that men's voices are less important that women's. It even acts as though women's feelings outweigh not just men's feelings but empirical reality and logic too. It works from a model in which women are always victims and men are always privileged oppressors. No matter what happens, the first step is to find a way to interpret it so that women are the victims and men are at fault. | /r/MensRights | 14/11/14 11:01 PM |
| 2 | From a fellow manNo. Next question. | /r/MensRights | 14/11/14 10:09 PM |
| 1 | Just saw this in my course selection. Computer science courses are now segregated by gender....by making things worse for the minority. Would it be fair to take all of the money from the 10 richest people in the world and distribute it to the poor. Things would be better for the majority. | /r/MensRights | 13/11/14 05:19 AM |
| 1 | Just saw this in my course selection. Computer science courses are now segregated by gender....making nonconforming males worse off because they are stuck in the, now more-masculine, open class. | /r/MensRights | 13/11/14 04:56 AM |
| 1 | Just saw this in my course selection. Computer science courses are now segregated by gender.If the class catered to both male and female learning styles then the boys with a more female learning style would not be disadvantaged. | /r/MensRights | 13/11/14 03:43 AM |
| 1 | Just saw this in my course selection. Computer science courses are now segregated by gender.If they have a male only class also, I don't see a problem with it. Studies have shown that men and women learn differently. There are statistical differences but these cannot be generalised to every male and every female. Splitting the class and catering to the average male or average female will hurt those who deviate from the norm. | /r/MensRights | 13/11/14 12:16 AM |
| 1 | And when they came for me, there was no one left to object.I have not played, I am not giving her money The game is free From the stories I have read the way you "win" is by doing whatever anyone else tells you to. I've played it a little and it doesn't seem to be about winning in the normal sense. The game isn't a competition, it's meant to convey what the experience of depression is like, not provide a model for overcoming it. | /r/MensRights | 13/11/14 12:02 AM |
| 0 | Trouble In Transtopia: Murmurs Of Sex Change RegretIs cosmetic surgery mutilation? Is reconstructive surgery mutilation? If someone is born with both types of external sex organs would surgery to remove one be mutilation? Once again, sex is not a description of your DNA it describes your primary sex characteristics. When you ask what sex your baby is, you don't take a DNA sample and look for XX or XY. You do an ultrasound and look for a penis or vagina. "It's your DNA" is just an argument small-minded people fall back on because transsexuals mak… | /r/MensRights | 12/11/14 11:59 PM |
| 3 | Trouble In Transtopia: Murmurs Of Sex Change RegretBy the same author: http://thefederalist.com/2014/08/27/radfems-versus-trans-a-different-breed-of-catfight/ | /r/MensRights | 12/11/14 11:30 AM |
| 5 | Trouble In Transtopia: Murmurs Of Sex Change RegretIf you are looking for a movement where your transphobia will be accepted try radical feminism. | /r/MensRights | 12/11/14 09:27 AM |
| 1 | Trouble In Transtopia: Murmurs Of Sex Change RegretCalling it "mutilation" is not a fact. It is an opinion. The existence of some "transgender lobby" with any real influence is some paranoid delusion. Most of the time having two X chromosomes will make your body develop female features and having an X and Y will make it develop male features but it is not that simple. It us possible to be XY and have female features due to an insensitivity to testosterone. We don't look at a baby's DNA when they are assigned a sex. We look at whether they have m… | /r/MensRights | 12/11/14 08:37 AM |
| 1 | And when they came for me, there was no one left to object.a female game developer released a staggeringly offencive and unhelpful game about depression Maybe I missed that but what was supposedly offensive about Depression Quest? I thought the negative response was to people hailing her as an amazingly indie game developer after she spent 15 minutes with a free tool to create a simple interactive HTML file with zero programming required on her part simply because she was female. | /r/MensRights | 12/11/14 07:19 AM |
| 6 | Trouble In Transtopia: Murmurs Of Sex Change RegretThe article it written in a particularly transphobic way. "bodily mutilation" "transgender lobby" "the sex in your DNA" "sexual La-La Land" Maybe there are a number of transsexuals who regret their transition and maybe there are trans activists who actively attempt to suppress these stories. Those who regret their transition have every right to be heard and those who try to silence them are simply wrong. However, this author is blatantly anti-trans. Some of those who transition regretting their … | /r/MensRights | 12/11/14 07:06 AM |
| 27 | Ohio State Senator plans to introduce bill that expands selective service registration to require women as well.They would just reinstate it when they need more cannon fodder | /r/MensRights | 11/11/14 09:50 PM |
| 2 | Congrats MR 100,000 strong and counting.The two have a synergistic relationship. Feminism leverages the higher value society places on women and reinforces the belief that women are helpless children. | /r/MensRights | 11/11/14 10:22 AM |
| 2 | And when they came for me, there was no one left to object.Well they just got another subscriber. SJWs, I'd like to introduce you to the Streisand effect. | /r/MensRights | 11/11/14 09:54 AM |
| 21 | 11 signs you are a hyperbolic feminist who is willfully ignorant about MRM.Well most of them are about "nice guys" Feminists seem to have trouble distinguishing between groups of men they don't like (don't even bother trying to explain that there are female MRAs). For example, when they point to examples of "MRAs" behaving badly 90% of them are actually from Red Pill/Pick up artist sites. To them we are all traditionalist "nice guy" pickup artists. They love to tell us that we are attacking straw feminists. They aren't even responding to straw MRAs. Half of this shit i… | /r/MensRights | 11/11/14 09:46 AM |
| 58 | 11 signs you are a hyperbolic feminist who is willfully ignorant about MRM.We understand that the gender wage gap is the result of personal choices. Just because your personal choices lead you to earn less does not mean you are exempt from paying your way. It is a scientifically proven fact that the average man is stronger than the average woman. However, that is irrelevant. Is hitting someone okay if your muscles are smaller than theirs? I've never seen an MRA complain that they can't sleep with teenage girls. The problems we discuss is that when a teenage girl and te… | /r/MensRights | 11/11/14 08:01 AM |
| 5 | Congrats MR 100,000 strong and counting.Feminism does seem to be going full-retard at the moment. Previously, they would point to one, carefully selected, group and scream 'misogyny'. Everyone else would at worst keep quiet and at best join in the condemnation of whoever was identified as unclean. Nobody wanted to risk earning the label for themselves. Now feminists are pointing at everyone. Atheists, comic book fans, gamers, IT professionals, male college students... The old system broke down. Too many of us have been declared unclea… | /r/MensRights | 11/11/14 05:19 AM |
| 5 | Why dudes don't greet dudes - Article claims men don't greet each other on the street...So now the male dependence on women for emotional connection, which women themselves have fought to maintain, is an unbearable burden. It's funny. When women were raised to be financially dependent on men it was oppressive to women. When men are raised to be emotionally dependent on women it is oppressive .... to women. | /r/MensRights | 11/11/14 01:32 AM |
| 4 | Another very sexist domestic violence web site that excuses and minimises violence towards menThe most disturbing thing about feminism to me is not the hypocritical sexism. It's the way it attempts to block out any reality which doesn't match up with the ideology. | /r/MensRights | 10/11/14 11:16 PM |
| 1 | Example of toxic behavior from anti-feminists. We as a community need to confront this.Vilify; speak or write about in an abusively disparaging manner. It is a more than a bit of a stretch to argue that statements which carry possibly implied insults which were clearly not intended by those who make them are "abusively disparaging". Thank you for the pigeon chess. | /r/MensRights | 10/11/14 09:40 PM |
| 2 | Example of toxic behavior from anti-feminists. We as a community need to confront this.Unintentionally implied insults aren't quite vilification. | /r/MensRights | 10/11/14 06:27 AM |
| 1 | Example of toxic behavior from anti-feminists. We as a community need to confront this.You are interpreting the insistence on modest dress to imply that men are all violent rapists. However, as I have explained your interpretation is clearly not what they believe, as they still hold men in high regard. | /r/MensRights | 10/11/14 03:00 AM |
| 1 | Example of toxic behavior from anti-feminists. We as a community need to confront this.That can be taken as insulting but is clearly not vilification as Islam holds men and masculinity in high regard. Yes there is a clear contradiction in this but the intent is clearly not to present men in a negative light. the intent, as with victim blaming, is to place the responsibility on women. If they are raped, the fault is their's not a man's. This absolves men of guilt in the same way feminism absolves women of guilt for the negative results of their choices. This is similarly insulting … | /r/MensRights | 10/11/14 02:01 AM |
| 1 | Example of toxic behavior from anti-feminists. We as a community need to confront this.Jesus Christ, you're illogical. Those things do not portray men as villains. They do not hold men responsible for anything bad that happens to a woman. In fact they do the opposite, take the guilt from men and place it on women. An equally shitty move but not the same thing. | /r/MensRights | 10/11/14 01:29 AM |
| 3 | Do men's advocates criticize feminism too much?Almost all accept patriarchy theory. They hold a flawed model of society in which men are responsible for every evil. | /r/MensRights | 10/11/14 12:19 AM |
| 3 | Why did you become a Men's Rights Activist?I spent most of my life as a serious misandrist. As a non-conforming male forced to live among males with, no female privileged to protect me or female safe spaces to retreat to, I was constantly bullied at school and grew to hate most other males. In feminism I saw the same hatred for men as I felt. However it became increasingly clear that they group me with the other men and hold me in equal disdain. The feminist interpretation of the Eliot Rodger incident and the bullshit "poisoned M&Ms" rhe… | /r/MensRights | 09/11/14 10:27 PM |
| 1 | Example of toxic behavior from anti-feminists. We as a community need to confront this.You argue like a feminist: with shameless dishonesty. To shun those men who do not conform is not the same as asserting that anyone born with a penis is a violent rapist. Both are awful but only the second is vilification. | /r/MensRights | 09/11/14 09:28 PM |
| 2 | Example of toxic behavior from anti-feminists. We as a community need to confront this.Western religion and Islam vilify men? | /r/MensRights | 09/11/14 09:10 AM |
| 1 | Example of toxic behavior from anti-feminists. We as a community need to confront this.Which ideology opposes attempts to recognise and support male victims of rape or domestic abuse? Which ideology repeatedly attempts to vilify men? Which ideology continuously fights to hold men accountable for the decisions of women? | /r/MensRights | 09/11/14 07:35 AM |
| 10 | "I paid $50,000 to have a girl" - woman who wept with disappointment when her previous two children turned out to be male.Yeah. My parents made no secret of the fact they wanted a girl. I was the first of two failed attempts. It does wonders for your self esteem to know you're a waste product. | /r/MensRights | 08/11/14 10:55 PM |
| 1 | Jian Ghomeshi, portrait of a male feministWhat is the actual story with this guy. All I have read is heavily biassed feminist editorials which seem to simply assume he's guilty because a woman accused him of enjoying rough sex is there any evidence has he even been accused of something illegal? | /r/MensRights | 08/11/14 02:50 AM |
| 1 | New service is like Uber but for kids. All 100+ drivers are women but "this isn't a requirement"Not being a requirement and not being an official requirement are two different things. A company would probably not have an official policy against hiring black people but when hiring they could simply not select anyone who is black. | /r/MensRights | 08/11/14 02:34 AM |
| 2 | I need to ask this question. Has feminism gotten far crazier over about the last two years or is it just my perception?Feminists do seem to be going out of their way to turn everyone against feminism recently. | /r/MensRights | 08/11/14 02:31 AM |
| 7 | Open Letter to Men: Stop Raping Already!Open letter to Muslims: Stop suicide bombing already. Open letter to black people: Stop mugging already. | /r/MensRights | 08/11/14 01:34 AM |
| 2 | Generating an accurate and powerful response: what do you say?"Stop oppressing yourself" | /r/MensRights | 07/11/14 02:04 AM |
| 3 | Feminist claims Brittany Maynard's suicide was a feminist actThat's not like feminism at all /s | /r/MensRights | 06/11/14 11:06 PM |
| 1 | Generating an accurate and powerful response: what do you say?You could demonstrate that "men have never been institutionally oppressed" is a lie. Men were just as restricted by their role as women. However, it's so core to feminist dogma that you don't have much chance of convincing them... they may burn you as a heretic. I'd stick to the present day. Two groups A and B B has a higher life expectancy A has a higher incarceration rate B does better at school A has a higher rate of suicide etc. Which group is oppressed? | /r/MensRights | 06/11/14 10:12 PM |
| 1 | Generating an accurate and powerful response: what do you say?She is like a super pro debater though Is directly contradicted by this She sometimes throws the check your privilege card in my face "Check your privilege" is like "mansplaining" It's pure ad hominem. Beyond that I'd point out that it's an ironically sexist ad hominem since feminism claims its primary goal is to fight sexism. | /r/MensRights | 06/11/14 09:55 PM |
| 5 | What's a trigger warning?Those who give or demand trigger warnings will tell you they exist so that people can avoid content which might bring up traumatic memories. For example someone who was raped might get upset by a story about rape. What it really is is just another event in the snowflake Olympics. You have those demanding trigger warnings who feel special and important because everyone has to accommodate their feelings and those who give them feel so much more intelligent and sensitive than everyone else. | /r/MensRights | 05/11/14 11:07 PM |
| 2 | Dr Who nemesis turning from The Master into The Mistress has at least one feminist giddy with anticipation of a female Dr Who.There's no reason that the Doctor couldn't regenerate as a woman. I'm not aware of anything from the show which says that Time Lords stay one sex their entire lives. Even if there was, the show frequently contradicts itself and has found ways to wiggle out of inconvenient canon. The only risk is that they would make the core of the character's personality: "Yeah, I'm a woman. Want to fight about it?" like what happened with M in Goldeneye. | /r/MensRights | 03/11/14 11:31 PM |
| 4 | Typical CNN tactics. Does anyone else hate the term "mansplaining"?To assert that your opinion, or even any fact you are presenting, carries less weight simply because of your gender is sexism. You may recognise that as exactly what feminism promised to fight. Perhaps that's why modern feminism prefers the term misogyny, | /r/MensRights | 03/11/14 09:40 PM |
| 8 | Huffington post hits an all time low with this.Feminism makes the distinction easy. Any time a man interacts with a woman is abuse. | /r/MensRights | 03/11/14 09:27 PM |
| 1 | Toxic Masculinity from an MRA perspective?I don't think we have one. There are two reasons for this, one I feel is negative, the other positive. First the negative, the MRM has little-to-no presence in academia. We don't have theorists publishing work about these issues and categorising them under neat, broadly agreed-upon-terms. This is a problem, we lack academic rigour and as a result there are probably more than a few weaknesses and half-truths in the ideas which get repeated within the movement. I've been trying myself to put toget… | /r/MensRights | 03/11/14 12:26 AM |
| 1 | Toxic Masculinity from an MRA perspective?can you say it's a toxic environment? Yes | /r/MensRights | 03/11/14 12:01 AM |
| 1 | Toxic Masculinity from an MRA perspective?Breaking point? You mean like something that is going to tear us apart? We are quite capable of getting along while disagreeing on some issues. To believe otherwise is to project feminism's way of thinking onto us. As I said, we don't demand cognitive conformity, we have not core dogmas such as male privilege and patriarchy. | /r/MensRights | 02/11/14 11:59 PM |
| 1 | Toxic Masculinity from an MRA perspective?Is this just cognitive dissonance within the movement? It's a sign that the MRM is a group of people who recognise similar problems and want to fix them, not a dogmatic ideology which demands cognitive conformity. | /r/MensRights | 02/11/14 11:33 PM |
| 1 | Toxic Masculinity from an MRA perspective?I believe that there are aspects to the current model of masculinity which do more harm than good in the context of modern society. The complete dependence on women for validation would be the best example I can think of. Men base too much of their self esteem on whether they have a relationship with a woman, whether that's purely physical or something more. Boys are told from puberty that they are worthless if they don't have a girlfriend. Men also feel they need women for even a completely pla… | /r/MensRights | 02/11/14 11:30 PM |
| 1 | Toxic Masculinity from an MRA perspective?It's a term that carries feminist and misandric baggage, as such it's best to avoid confusion. | /r/MensRights | 02/11/14 11:18 PM |
| 2 | Toxic Masculinity from an MRA perspective?Does that mean traditional fathers are the wrong kind of masculine role models that get their sons to grow up like them? No. Traditional masculinity is still a perfectly fine role. It's only problematic if it's the only role available. this goes for any version of masculinity or femininity. The father is probably the most influential male role model and you generally only get one. That's unavoidable but a nontraditional father presents the same problems. Fortunately there are other male role mod… | /r/MensRights | 02/11/14 11:16 PM |
| 1 | Toxic Masculinity from an MRA perspective?Traditionalism isn't about personally living s traditional role. It is expecting everyone else to. | /r/MensRights | 02/11/14 10:48 PM |
| 3 | Shower thought: The reason new age feminism is so mocked and laughed at is because it demands respect in a world where respect is earned. It's pure laziness, it's like saying you want special, beneficial treatment because you're too weak to succeed on your own.Dignity should be the default. Respect should be earned. | /r/MensRights | 30/10/14 09:42 PM |
| 1 | Anita Sarkeesian on the Marysville school shootingThey accept that they are positives of humanity. Why do those good things have to be just yours? Why do you care? If they were inherent it's not like you did a goddamn thing to earn them, so why does it pain you so much for someone to say "When you are brave, strong, and intelligent, you're being a good person" instead of "...you're being a man" ? "Being a man" isn't about possessing traits it's about living up to a social obligation. A woman becomes a woman in the eyes of society simply by goin… | /r/MensRights | 29/10/14 05:45 AM |
| 2 | In this day and age of discussing toxic masculinity, is there also a toxic femininity?I'd say the sense of entitlement and the pathological avoidance of accountability is the core of toxic femininity. Girls are raised to expect everything for nothing and feminists are telling grown women that it's a reasonable expectation. | /r/MensRights | 27/10/14 11:45 PM |
| 1 | Project QuestionI feel dirty saying this but... Don't do your project on men's rights. Your goal is to get the best mark you can. Given the title of your class there's a good chance that you will be graded by an ideological feminist and you would likely be penalised for contradicting feminist dogma (which feminists seem to consider objective fact). | /r/MensRights | 27/10/14 04:01 AM |
| 6 | Girls in the army: Norway passes bill on mandatory military service for womenWhen you live in a peaceful nation, who wants to accept everyone, then there is zero problems with conscription. Except, you know, the loss of autonomy. Conscription gives the government, no matter how benevolent, the right to decide for you what is worth killing and dying for. More than that, military training is designed to destroy the individual, convert people into components in a machine. That's necessary for an effective military and suits some people but it is not something which should b… | /r/MensRights | 27/10/14 12:21 AM |
| 1 | Anita Sarkeesian on the Marysville school shootingFeminists accept hundreds of positives of masculinity, they object to those positives being attached to masculinity at the expense of them being thusly dis-associated with femininity. Then they don't accept that they are positives of masculinity. They are perfectly happy insisting that negative traits belong to men but not anything positive. They are also okay with claiming the positive traits of femininity as the exclusive domain of women. Do they even have a concept of "toxic femininity"? I th… | /r/MensRights | 26/10/14 11:29 PM |
| 1 | Anita Sarkeesian on the Marysville school shootingI'll accept that 'toxic' isn't intended as completely redundant in 'toxic masculinity' when feminists concede the positives in masculinity rather than insist that femininity is superior. | /r/MensRights | 26/10/14 02:56 AM |
| 351 | Anita Sarkeesian on the Marysville school shootingWhen men do great things it is because we are collectively keeping women from doing those things. When men do terrible things it is because we are inherently evil. Mediocrity is the only way to win. | /r/MensRights | 25/10/14 01:29 AM |
| 6 | Female entitlementIt is quite funny that feminists like to tell us that men feel entitled to women's bodies while ignoring the blatant sense of entitlement that women in general seem to feel. | /r/MensRights | 24/10/14 04:18 AM |
| 3 | Cracked mocks male victims of domestic violence.You don't know who might be reading. Occasionally feminists stumble in here. | /r/MensRights | 23/10/14 12:25 AM |
| 7 | So what, specifically, do you guys believe in?I believe that men are just as deserving of empathy as women. Society is built around accommodating women's feelings at the expense of men. Not just men's feelings but their financial and physical wellbeing. | /r/MensRights | 22/10/14 08:33 AM |
| 15 | When do you think it will be socially acceptable to wear dresses?It is something that will only be accepted once some critical mass of men start doing it. You can argue and legislate all you like but the only way to change attitudes to men in traditionally-female clothes is to make it normal. | /r/MensRights | 22/10/14 08:27 AM |
| 3 | My daughter brought this worksheet home from school. Check out #12. [Xpost /r/wtf]Oops sorry I wasn't paying attention and I think I just raped you. | /r/MensRights | 21/10/14 10:46 PM |
| 3 | Not half bad for a comicNo matter what women are the victims. The entirety of feminist thought is an exercise in twisting reality so that women are the victims in every possible scenario. | /r/MensRights | 19/10/14 08:53 AM |
| 3 | Not half bad for a comicSame assumption that femininity in males is treated as shameful because society thinks men are better than women. That's clearly the only reasonable explanation. Men are obligated to give their lives to protect women because men are more highly valued. Men get harsher sentences for the same crime because we don't value women. The mother having primary custody when parents divorce is the default position because men are more important. Or perhaps it is because men have greater responsibilities an… | /r/MensRights | 19/10/14 08:40 AM |
| 7 | HuffPost Live: 3 Strong Women Of #GamerGate Fight Back!Wow, that guy is exactly how I picture male feminists online. I loved watching his internal conflict between defending the feminist narrative and opposing the opinions of 3 women. | /r/MensRights | 16/10/14 07:40 AM |
| 1 | Help breaking this down? "Ways Men in Tech are Unintentionally Sexist"If this doesn't get me featured on AMR nothing will... I've never met a female programmer who was as good as even an average male programmer. I'm certain that there are female programmers just as good as any man and I'm certain that a good number of women are better programmers than I am. However they are clearly in the minority. There's 2 reasons I see for this and neither relies on assuming that men are just naturally better at programming than women. 1) Male programmers tend to be obsessive a… | /r/MensRights | 15/10/14 11:52 PM |
| 2 | I am a feminist, and I support Men's RightsWe are not amused. Is there any reason you choose to communicate as a hive mind rather than individuals? | /r/MensRights | 12/10/14 04:44 AM |
| 21 | I Infiltrated a Men's rights Group | VICE Australia / NZI stopped reading at "oppressed majority" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sex_ratio Worldwide there are 1% more males than females. However, in developed countries (The US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and most of Europe for example), which is what the MRM and feminism are primarily discussing, Women outnumber men. | /r/MensRights | 09/10/14 03:48 AM |
| 4 | Does anyone else think men would benefit from sexual courting education?You want to "teach men not to rape"? | /r/MensRights | 06/10/14 10:14 PM |
| 39 | Another Feminist Circlejerk incoming in October. IQ debate "Society would flourish under female rule". Both sides are feminists.There was no need to invite men, they were obsolete. | /r/MensRights | 29/09/14 10:54 AM |
| 3 | Why the Bechdel test is uselessIt is a problem but the test implies the wrong cause and cure | /r/MensRights | 29/09/14 06:53 AM |
| 4 | Why the Bechdel test is uselessThe point of the (unnecessarily long-winded) article was to explain how misleading the judgement implied by the test is. To sum up. Women are held less accountable by society. This is a double standard promoted by feminism. For a character to be important to the plot they must be accountable. The harm they do must be their fault. Their failures must not be excused away. | /r/MensRights | 28/09/14 11:06 PM |
| 11 | Women love stereotypes...when it helps themThe true goal of feminism appears to be freeing women from their gender roles while maintaining the benefits women gain from men being trapped in theirs. | /r/MensRights | 28/09/14 08:55 AM |
| 11 | Women love stereotypes...when it helps themPrivilege is invisible to the privileged | /r/MensRights | 28/09/14 08:52 AM |
| 2 | This bothered me. What about you guys? (x-post from /r/funny)It was just a joke. Women actually in tech have real degrees (not gender studies) and get on with the job. They don't have time for imagining oppression. | /r/MensRights | 28/09/14 08:42 AM |
| 18 | I tried reasoning with one of them.You know you're on the right side of an argument when your rebuttal starts with "Oh Boo Hoo" | /r/MensRights | 28/09/14 04:30 AM |
| 1 | This bothered me. What about you guys? (x-post from /r/funny)Except they could blame their stress on misogynistic colleagues to claim sympathy. | /r/MensRights | 28/09/14 12:04 AM |
| 3 | What the fuck happened to Time Magazine?The problem with SJWs is that, superficially, their position makes sense and is the clear moral high ground. Every reasonable person believes that people should have equal rights and be treated with equal respect regardless of gender, sexuality, race etc. and, on the surface, that's what SJWs appear to believe. Hell, they probably believe that they believe it. It's only once you delve deeper that you find they have twisted the idea into pants-on-head crazy ideas. By then it's too late. | /r/MensRights | 24/09/14 09:24 AM |
| 3 | Feminist: The mark of an abused woman.Most feminists aren't abuse survivors. They are entitled college girls. | /r/MensRights | 24/09/14 09:02 AM |
| 48 | Fraternities ordered to admit womenI look forward to men being allowed into sororities | /r/MensRights | 23/09/14 04:19 AM |
| 2 | Teach For America: Math is the ‘Domain of Old, White Men’Almost every one of my maths lecturers was Asian. | /r/MensRights | 21/09/14 10:51 PM |
| 1 | Are there any legitimate feminist issues in the U.S. even MRAs universally agree on?that doesn't mean the assumption should be made about any individual woman. But why shouldn't it? Because I don't want to be assumed to be a pedophile. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airline_sex_discrimination_policy_controversy Judge individuals by their own merits, not by the averages across whatever obvious group you can place them in. | /r/MensRights | 18/09/14 11:34 PM |
| 1 | Are there any legitimate feminist issues in the U.S. even MRAs universally agree on?Women can be judged by their accomplishments too. I didn't say they can't. Just that their appearance is more important in the judgments of others than that of a man. So you agree you mentioned an issue of discrimination against men not women. I think it's like the apex fallacy we discuss when feminists bring up that the majority of powerful people are men. Just as they see only the powerful men and ignore the much greater number of powerless men, we see the women who gain greater benefit from b… | /r/MensRights | 18/09/14 11:31 PM |
| 1 | Big Bang Theory Star Hates Disney's Frozen for its "Male-Bashing"I'm left thinking that Mayim Bialik isn't very smart. Either that or she didn't really watch the movie but feels entitled to comment anyway. The Prince/hero turns out to be a scheming villain. He pretended to love [Princess Anna] and then he double crosses her and she gets the lesson taught to her not to trust those nasty scheming conniving men. Because you know, men can't be trusted? Meh. Ignoring the fact that Kristoff is a perfectly noble character. He's genuine and sensitive and probably the… | /r/MensRights | 18/09/14 12:50 AM |
| 1 | Are there any legitimate feminist issues in the U.S. even MRAs universally agree on?First, I don't think this is necessarily true these days. Studies have shown that "attractive people" are more successful than unattractive people and that is true for both genders. Physical attraction is just as important to women as it is to men. Both genders get a benefit from being attractive (although I think the benefit is greater for women) but that's not what I was talking about. My first point was not about how attractiveness makes things more or less difficult. It was merely about the … | /r/MensRights | 18/09/14 12:07 AM |
| 2 | Are there any legitimate feminist issues in the U.S. even MRAs universally agree on?Women are judged more by their looks, less by their accomplishment That's an advantage Perhaps, for a very small subset of women. That is, those 1) lucky enough to be attractive and also 2) happy to define their identity by factors they had no influence in Even for those few women who meet that criteria, beauty fades. They will have to deal with the fact that they peak in their 20s. When you are judged by your accomplishments, you can always improve your position by working harder. Your identity… | /r/MensRights | 17/09/14 11:27 PM |
| 8 | Are there any legitimate feminist issues in the U.S. even MRAs universally agree on?I don't know what, if anything, all MRAs would agree to. I can list what I believe to be the negative results of gender roles and expectations for women. however I don't know if feminists would agree with how I frame them and even if we agree on the issues I disagree with causes and solutions proposed by feminists. Off the top of my head: Women are judged more by their looks, less by their accomplishment Women face greater consequences for not putting effort into their appearance Women are assum… | /r/MensRights | 17/09/14 03:00 AM |
| 1 | Men Without Women: Is There A Male Friendship Crisis?That sounds like a shitty trade to me. And it probably sounds like a great deal to others. The value of each to an individual will depend on that individual. To a lot of men (and probably a good number of women) having their feelings validated really doesn't carry that much value. The problem and its solution are much more important than their feelings about it. The emotional support would be little sacrifice to avoid the drama Similarly, others (more typically women than men) crave acknowledgem… | /r/MensRights | 17/09/14 12:40 AM |
| 40 | Are video games sexist? [Christina Hoff Summers -Factual Feminist]but it has nothing to do with feminism. She is what feminists claim to be | /r/MensRights | 16/09/14 09:43 PM |
| 35 | Are video games sexist? [Christina Hoff Summers -Factual Feminist]I've always assumed the almost-instant downvotes come from AMR posters who lurk here, looking for something they can cherrypick or use out of context to prove we are all misogynist woman-bashing rapists. | /r/MensRights | 16/09/14 09:40 PM |
| 3 | Australian politician says that men who complain about exclusive focus on female victims of DV need to "grow up"Sorry that /r/Australia isn't up to the standards of someone who posts in AMR and SRS | /r/MensRights | 16/09/14 07:32 AM |
| 1 | Men Without Women: Is There A Male Friendship Crisis?Sure male-male friendships generally lack emotional intimacy. But you know what they also lack? Bitchiness. There's generally no politics in all-male friendship groups. There's no status games where one will talk about another behind his back in order to increase his own relative status within the group. When there are issues they are dealt with quickly and openly then forgotten. I've lost exactly 1 male friend (to an argument, not moving away or drifting apart) and that's because we got involve… | /r/MensRights | 16/09/14 12:30 AM |
| 8 | Australian politician says that men who complain about exclusive focus on female victims of DV need to "grow up"By the way, I think you should post these on /r/australia[2] too - just use the original title of the item to avoid breaking the "editorialised title" rule. I don't think you understand just how far into the politically-correct SJWish left /r/Australia is. | /r/MensRights | 16/09/14 12:21 AM |
| 5 | Little Boy Forced to Hold Sign reading "I hit little Girls." Would a little girl be punished the same way?It wouldn't work. A boy hitting girls is something society shuns. This will shame him. A girl hitting boys is celebrated. She would be proud to hold the sign. | /r/MensRights | 15/09/14 09:23 PM |
| 5 | This is how I see both gender movements. Thoughts?That would imply that almost everyone in the field of sociology is a radical feminist. The status of women as an oppressed class is an almost universal assumption in sociology papers that mention gender in any way. | /r/MensRights | 15/09/14 02:59 AM |
| 4 | Boys and men must be included in the conversation on equality: Often branded hazardous or hopeless, boys and men are part of the development equation and can help tackle gender equalityThe fact that feminists think that everyone will agree with feminism once they have been "educated" says a great deal about what they think "education" means. There's only one subject that everyone educated on the subject agrees on: Mathematics - Pure objective fact with 100% certainty. Politics and sociology are the opposite of that and increased education should lead to increased capacity to disagree. What they mean is not education, it's indoctrination. | /r/MensRights | 15/09/14 12:16 AM |
| 25 | This is how I see both gender movements. Thoughts?Feminism isn't just women's rights. It carries with it ideological baggage which makes it incompatible with the MRM. Male privilege, patriarchy and rape culture are not restricted to radical feminism. | /r/MensRights | 15/09/14 12:08 AM |
| 6 | Misandrous article claims that the killing of Reeva Steenkamp makes it clear that no woman can presume to be safe from her partner.Oh look. They found their new Elliot Rodger. | /r/MensRights | 14/09/14 12:44 AM |
| 3 | How Does She Not See The Contradiction?What can I exchange them for? Can I get a cash refund? | /r/MensRights | 13/09/14 10:03 AM |
| 12 | Entitled douche loses to higher bid on new home: solicits rapist to visit female buyer. Felony charges filed, dismissed, then reinstated by another courtInternalized misogyny | /r/MensRights | 11/09/14 11:13 PM |
| 1 | Which one was underlined for not being a word?The annoying thing is that I've rarely seen hatred of women. I've seen lack of respect for women but that's different, most men who don't respect women still like them. Even that is disappearing. On the other hand, hatred of men is everywhere. I even spent the first 20 years of my life feeling hatred for males. | /r/MensRights | 10/09/14 09:51 PM |
| 1 | [Meta] I have sought Admin approval to start a petition to remove /r/TwoXChromosomes from the default sub listI'll take yours | /r/MensRights | 10/09/14 08:47 PM |
| 1 | [Meta] I have sought Admin approval to start a petition to remove /r/TwoXChromosomes from the default sub listNo, you provided a link to a wikipedia article along with the assertion that there were counter examples in it. | /r/MensRights | 10/09/14 02:04 PM |
| 5 | As an MRA, are you also a feminist?Feminism is more than just women's rights or equality. It comes with a heap of ideological baggage such as patriarchy theory and the assumption that the psychological differences between men and women are due entirely to social conditioning. | /r/MensRights | 10/09/14 02:02 PM |
| 1 | [Meta] I have sought Admin approval to start a petition to remove /r/TwoXChromosomes from the default sub listProvide the counter example | /r/MensRights | 10/09/14 01:54 PM |
| 65 | I think feminism inadvertently promotes anti-feminismWhat pushed me into full-blown anti-feminism was the way the feminist movement tried to use the Elliot Rodger story. That actually led me to find Karen Straughan's youtube videos and through them this subreddit. | /r/MensRights | 10/09/14 12:25 PM |
| 1 | [Meta] I have sought Admin approval to start a petition to remove /r/TwoXChromosomes from the default sub listThat's not an argument. I know that there are many conflicting styles of feminism but, at their core, all of the types that matter have the same unquestionable assumptions: women are oppressed, men are privileged. | /r/MensRights | 10/09/14 04:50 AM |
| 57 | Interesting study shows that women correlate male egalitarianism with misogyny.More evidence that "misogyny" simply means treating women like men. | /r/MensRights | 09/09/14 11:28 PM |
| 4 | What are MensRights view on the porn industry? Is it pure degradation of women? Is it objectifying?Sex workers harm women by being competing sources of sexual attention for men. I think this is the key reason for the reaction to porn. It has little to do with objectification or degradation. It's about stealing the power that the male sex drive has given women. Men want sex. Women can and do use that to control men. Within a heterosexual relationship the woman will withhold sex when she's not completely satisfied with the man's behavior. On a larger societal scale, men know that they need to b… | /r/MensRights | 09/09/14 11:21 PM |
| 1 | [Meta] I have sought Admin approval to start a petition to remove /r/TwoXChromosomes from the default sub listLOL, because you've not presented an argument for which a counterexample can exist. In fact your entire position is simply that there exist many counterexamples to mine. | /r/MensRights | 09/09/14 11:05 PM |
| 1 | UK Guardian article how to photograph "powerful women and vulnerable men"Apparently in his mind men aren't actually vulnerable, they just sometimes look that way. How do you get that from the quote? It seems like a positive thing to me, to show the vulnerability of men, so long as they are not made to look pathetic in their vulnerability. | /r/MensRights | 09/09/14 01:28 AM |
| 1 | [Meta] I have sought Admin approval to start a petition to remove /r/TwoXChromosomes from the default sub listHow will I know which one you claim does not believe being female is a disadvantage in modern society? | /r/MensRights | 08/09/14 11:10 PM |
| 1 | [Meta] I have sought Admin approval to start a petition to remove /r/TwoXChromosomes from the default sub listThen you should be able to specify one | /r/MensRights | 08/09/14 06:50 PM |
| 1 | [Meta] I have sought Admin approval to start a petition to remove /r/TwoXChromosomes from the default sub listThat's not a counterexample | /r/MensRights | 08/09/14 08:51 AM |
| 1 | [Meta] I have sought Admin approval to start a petition to remove /r/TwoXChromosomes from the default sub listLol, counter to what example? Counterexample, not counter to my example. A counter example is not an example presented to contrast with another. It's a method of disproving a hypothesis. An example which does not fit the hypothesis If you insist that my characterization of feminists is a "simplistic strawman" you should be able to find a feminist who does not fit that description. | /r/MensRights | 08/09/14 08:14 AM |
| 1 | [Meta] I have sought Admin approval to start a petition to remove /r/TwoXChromosomes from the default sub listAgain, feminism is not a singular ideology. You are just creating a simplistic straw man that makes it easy for you to brush off all people who disagree with you. Again, please provide counter-examples | /r/MensRights | 08/09/14 06:59 AM |
| 1 | [Meta] I have sought Admin approval to start a petition to remove /r/TwoXChromosomes from the default sub listAgain, you are not judging people based on what they say or their own beliefs. You are judging them based on a mishmash of stuff you have heard various people say. They see what feminism presents itself as and then choose to align themselves with it. That speaks plenty about their own beliefs. I think you would have to be naive to think that men and women are treated exactly the same in our society. The point of the MRM is that men and women are not treated exactly the same in our society. Recog… | /r/MensRights | 08/09/14 06:25 AM |
| 1 | [Meta] I have sought Admin approval to start a petition to remove /r/TwoXChromosomes from the default sub listThe fact is that you are not judging people based on their choices. You are judging people based on your preconceived notions about a particular label. We are judging them by their choice to associate themselves with feminism. An ideology we believe to be fundamentally flawed. I am judging you based on what you are actually saying, that is a big difference. They are saying that they are feminists. They are saying that we live in a rape culture, they are saying that men have "male privilege". We … | /r/MensRights | 08/09/14 04:51 AM |
| 1 | [Meta] I have sought Admin approval to start a petition to remove /r/TwoXChromosomes from the default sub listI really believe this is a false premise and frankly childish. That you can judge people based on their choices is a childish false premise? In that case why are you judging us for our choice to generalize about feminists? You seem to care more about calling people names rather than being correct. All I cared about was pointing out that there is a huge difference between generalizations based on gender and those based on ideological affiliation. There simply isn't one ideological framework or ag… | /r/MensRights | 08/09/14 03:12 AM |
| 1 | [Meta] I have sought Admin approval to start a petition to remove /r/TwoXChromosomes from the default sub listNo matter how broad and varied a group "feminist" identifies, it is still a label one chooses to wear. There is nothing wrong with judging someone based on their choice to wear that label. | /r/MensRights | 08/09/14 01:15 AM |
| 3 | [Meta] I have sought Admin approval to start a petition to remove /r/TwoXChromosomes from the default sub listBrowsing though here there are lots of things that could fit into these categories. It seems pretty common to see people refer to feminists as "retards" and all sorts of other negative terms, which kind of satisfies both the hate speech and sweeping generalization points. You don't see the difference between these? All men are X All feminists are Y You don't choose to be a member of the group "men." That's a decision made for you by random chance before you are born. Being a man says absolutely … | /r/MensRights | 07/09/14 08:55 AM |
| 6 | My female friend in response to the 14 year old who was raped"Mental maturity" is not really well defined For children it's "Sit still and do what you're told." For adults it's "Meet all of society's expectations of you." Females get it easier in both cases. Girls have less drive to run around and are more eager for the approval of adults. Women simply have less rigid expectations placed on them. | /r/MensRights | 06/09/14 06:31 AM |
| 2 | What does equality mean?If only! Care to elaborate? Feminism argues that women don't have equal opportunity because they don't have equal outcomes (wage gap, number of female CEOs etc). The only way equal opportunity can be expected lead to equal outcomes is if you assume there are no differences in aptitudes and preferences. | /r/MensRights | 04/09/14 03:09 AM |
| 3 | What does equality mean?There are differences in the distributions of various traits between men and women, including aptitudes and preferences. This is observable. While some of this may be due to social conditioning, it is ridiculous to claim there is no biological basis for it. Just as men and women's bodies evolved for different purposes, so did their brains. Does this mean that gender roles should be enforced? Of course not. That's not what the MRM is about. The reason we feel it is important to recognize the natu… | /r/MensRights | 03/09/14 11:36 PM |
| 2 | Help debating the "male feminists?"There's no point arguing with a male feminist. The feminist movement doesn't allow men to have their own opinions, they are just expected to repeat the dogma. It's like talking to a fist, trying to convince it not to punch you. | /r/MensRights | 02/09/14 12:15 AM |
| 2 | Help debating the "male feminists?"If he's black and recognizes the disadvantages black people face then maybe work from the parallels between blacks and men. Evidence that black people are disadvantaged relative to white people: Homelessness Incarceration Life expectancy Education Then show him the same is true for men compared to women. Also compare the way racists talk about blacks to how feminist talk about men. "I'm not racist. I just don't like the blacks who 'act black'" "I don't hate men. They just need to change their be… | /r/MensRights | 02/09/14 12:13 AM |
| 1 | Help debating the "male feminists?"The Catholic priest link to pedophilia is more due to the church's cover up than the frequency. Child sex offences are no more common among priests than any other group with access to children (eg. scout leaders). The problem was in how the church closed ranks and protected the guilty priests. | /r/MensRights | 02/09/14 12:00 AM |
| 2 | What do you make of this?FREE Oil Change for single mom's and the elderly in Rutherford County Someone needs grammar lessons | /r/MensRights | 31/08/14 06:55 AM |
| 1 | In which OXM thought it necessary to include Anita Sarkeesian in a list of people " most important to gaming". Thoughts, anyone?Well, they did include a fair amount of truly important women, to be fair. Yeah, but her inclusion means that there's a female programmer, writer, artist or even a real journalist who missed out on the recognition. | /r/MensRights | 30/08/14 04:09 AM |
| 1 | In which OXM thought it necessary to include Anita Sarkeesian in a list of people " most important to gaming". Thoughts, anyone?There are plenty of women who are involved in creating great games. Why not include them instead of one simply using gaming to feed her victim complex. | /r/MensRights | 29/08/14 09:16 AM |
| 6 | Feminist blogger says it's okay and even a good idea to assume men are evil.No, they are generally more violent to other men. Women are a protected class, even to most violent arseholes. | /r/MensRights | 29/08/14 06:27 AM |
| 1 | Promoted Comment: The Mutable feminist definition of 'patriarchy'I just wanted you to list some men's issues to get an idea of what you think are issues that don't deal with gender roles. I believe they all relate to gender roles. Or, more broadly to the different expectations placed on and assumptions made about people due to their gender. Off the top of my head.: Violence against men is treated as a significantly less serious offence (in the rare cases it is treated as an offence at all) than violence against women. A man's value is still based almost entir… | /r/MensRights | 29/08/14 01:44 AM |
| 1 | Let's build a list of feminist claptrap we can use in our defense.The culture which excuses and encourages mothers murdering their children. | /r/MensRights | 28/08/14 11:48 PM |
| 1 | Promoted Comment: The Mutable feminist definition of 'patriarchy'Under-representation of women in politics means males primarily occupy roles of political leadership. Women vote. Is women voting for men the patriarchy? Before I can answer this, I need to know what issues do males have other than gender roles? No you don't. I'm not asking what parts of the patriarchy remain which are relevant to the men's rights movement. I'm asking what remains. It doesn't matter if it doesn't cause issues for anyone. That's a different question. You can't start from men's is… | /r/MensRights | 28/08/14 11:45 PM |
| 6 | Saw this while scrolling through my facebook feed. Needless to say, I was pretty pissed by reading it. Especially after reading the AskReddit post about men who were raped by women.Hey I'm impressed. 2 of the 11 were actually practical suggestions which would likely work to some degree. 3 - Yes analyze the evidence you've collected. 8 - Yes, a more realistic view of the threat would also help. The rest is the usual "shame men by 'teaching' them things they already know", "don't you dare expect a woman to do anything to make herself safer" and "assume any man accused of raping a woman is guilty" | /r/MensRights | 28/08/14 09:43 PM |
| 1 | Never have I seen a Tumblr post like this. Well said!It was a joke | /r/MensRights | 28/08/14 11:39 AM |
| 1 | Never have I seen a Tumblr post like this. Well said!Well I consider men supporting feminism to be masochism. | /r/MensRights | 28/08/14 11:15 AM |
| 1 | Never have I seen a Tumblr post like this. Well said!I'd settle for them simply not exerting effort combating those who are combating abuse against men. | /r/MensRights | 28/08/14 11:13 AM |
| 2 | Let's build a list of feminist claptrap we can use in our defense.And infanticide culture | /r/MensRights | 28/08/14 08:31 AM |
| 1 | The biggest issue with the MRA community and this sub in general.there might be another side to the story. We are the other side of the story. The feminist side has been heard loud and clear. | /r/MensRights | 28/08/14 12:15 AM |
| 2 | In One Perfect Sentence, Amy Poehler Schools a Guy in What It's Like To Be a Woman.Because men have never had any expectations or responsibilities placed on them? They really believe that there are no constant pressures on men. Is it a complete lack of empathy or just the pressure placed on men to never complain? | /r/MensRights | 27/08/14 11:13 PM |
| 1 | Promoted Comment: The Mutable feminist definition of 'patriarchy'I think we both agree that historically this used to be true, and some of it still holds true to this day. What still holds true? You can argue that the lingering gender roles are the result of this patriarchy but they are certainly no longer enforced by the patriarchy. Once again, other than gender roles, what is left? Your explanation also ignores the social pressures used by women in perpetuating the same gender roles. This is my problem with the feminist model of the patriarchy. It places al… | /r/MensRights | 27/08/14 09:26 PM |
| 7 | Jessica Valenti jumps on the date rape nail polish: "Teach men not to rape! Don't tell women to use science!"Why is it easier to invent security screens than find a way to stop burglars? | /r/MensRights | 27/08/14 10:25 AM |
| 2 | Promoted Comment: The Mutable feminist definition of 'patriarchy'However, we can agree that men have historically had more overt authority that came with responsibilities and accountability. Yes. However, it must also be recognised that women were not powerless. They had covert power and due to its covert nature they were rarely held accountable for its use. Look at how much of the value of a man is based on his success with women. That gives women great power over men. Women set the standard against which men are judged worthy or unworthy. A horrifying examp… | /r/MensRights | 27/08/14 03:43 AM |
| 2 | Promoted Comment: The Mutable feminist definition of 'patriarchy'Would it be too much to say that most of these historical restrictions for females were put in place by males given that mostly males held positions of power throughout history and are usually viewed as the head of the household? Yes, that would be too much to say. Men had their role to play women had theirs. These roles evolved symbiotically and naturally, not through anyone's conscious choice. Everyone did what was expected of them and enforced those expectations on others. If it was men who d… | /r/MensRights | 27/08/14 02:49 AM |
| 2 | Promoted Comment: The Mutable feminist definition of 'patriarchy'Can we agree that historically there were laws, norms, roles, customs, culture, etc that were oppressive to women as a class? No. Women are not a class and as such cannot be oppressed "as a class" The life of a female aristocrat was very different to that of a female peasant. She would have been significantly less "oppressed" than any peasant, male or female. I will accept that "that historically there were laws, norms, roles, customs, culture, etc that were" restrictive of women. However, there… | /r/MensRights | 27/08/14 02:17 AM |
| 2 | Promoted Comment: The Mutable feminist definition of 'patriarchy'I'll concede to you and offer "the patriarchy is a type of society". Okay, that doesn't really give us much to work with. Perhaps you could describe some of the qualities which distinguish it from other types of society. We can't really discuss cars if our definition is "a type of machine" A society is not only people living together in a geographical location, but a group of people that shares laws, norms, roles, customs, culture, etc. Is it fair to say that these laws, norms, roles, customs, c… | /r/MensRights | 27/08/14 01:23 AM |
| 3 | Promoted Comment: The Mutable feminist definition of 'patriarchy'Patriarchy, at its simplest form, is a society. I'm still working on the comprehensive definition, but I hope we can both agree that it is a society. A patriarchy is a type of society. Either one in which authority is passed down along male lines of inheritance or more broadly one in which supreme authority is held by a man or group of men and cannot be held by a woman. That is observably not what our society is or has been for a long time. Mary I's reign as queen of England was in the 1500s It'… | /r/MensRights | 27/08/14 12:39 AM |
| 22 | When 'Preventing Rape Promotes Rape', You're Doing Feminism WrongNo, they are doing feminism perfectly. Feminism is about maintaining the victim status of women. If rape stats fall that weakens their case. The "victim blaming" narrative serves 2 purposes. Stops you from doing anything to actually prevent rape Accuses society of oppressing women by making them responsible for their own safety. | /r/MensRights | 27/08/14 12:04 AM |
| 2 | Promoted Comment: The Mutable feminist definition of 'patriarchy'I'd call male privilege the feminist original sin. The patriarchy is more like Satan. | /r/MensRights | 26/08/14 10:33 PM |
| 3 | Promoted Comment: The Mutable feminist definition of 'patriarchy'I provided my argument and evidence in the sentences that followed You provided assertions The other parts of the patriarchy would be how it prevented women as a class to vote, removed their rights to property once they married, Note how those bolded words are past tense. The feminist assertion is that we still live in a patriarchy. Roe v Wade Again, in the past ... and the result was pro-abortion. Also, while the abortion debate is often framed as a women's rights issue the argument does not re… | /r/MensRights | 26/08/14 10:28 PM |
| 2 | Promoted Comment: The Mutable feminist definition of 'patriarchy'Can I update my definition of patriarchy to be more comprehensive or would that be cheating? I wouldn't consider it cheating since the OP argues that when the patriarchy concept is under attack it gets shrunk down to just gender roles, whereas I would be expanding it. Yay? Nay? Do whatever you like. However, if your definition still includes an inherent valuing of men and masculinity over women and femininity then my initial response stands and I maintain that your patriarchy is a fiction. Can I… | /r/MensRights | 26/08/14 06:00 AM |
| 3 | Promoted Comment: The Mutable feminist definition of 'patriarchy'For males, since we both agree that society values them to be masculine instead of feminine, even though some males might prefer feminine behavior, then that proves there is some semblance of a patriarchy. No, that proves the existence of gender roles. Men might want to act more feminine but society will judge them harsh for failing to conform to gender expectations. It's not masculinity or femininity being valued, it's conformity. It should be noted here that women get much more leeway in terms… | /r/MensRights | 26/08/14 05:27 AM |
| 5 | Promoted Comment: The Mutable feminist definition of 'patriarchy'It wasn't a rhetorical question. I countered your interpretation of how socially there is no patriarchy with: Socially, For females, I would argue while we like our women to look feminine, we want them to take on some masculine traits. We wish they were as up for sex as much as we are, but they are punished if they are too promiscuous. We don't want them to be high maintenance. We want a chick that can be a bro. For males, since we both agree that society values them to be masculine instead of f… | /r/MensRights | 26/08/14 04:36 AM |
| 6 | Promoted Comment: The Mutable feminist definition of 'patriarchy'The only statement I've made about our social lives is Socially, masculinity is favored in men and femininity is favored in women. Masculine women are not valued over feminine women. It's about the expectation that we all conform to our assigned gender roles. That's the way it has always been. I think that expectation sucks but it's not the patriarchy. So when you said are we in agreement that the patriarchy may have some hold on our social lives? The only rational interpretation was that you ar… | /r/MensRights | 26/08/14 04:04 AM |
| 4 | Promoted Comment: The Mutable feminist definition of 'patriarchy'are we in agreement that the patriarchy may have some hold on our social lives? Only if you define "the patriarchy" as "gender roles" In which case, I'd much rather avoid the convenient-to-feminism 'misunderstandings' inherent in the term "patriarchy" and just say gender roles. | /r/MensRights | 26/08/14 03:29 AM |
| 8 | Promoted Comment: The Mutable feminist definition of 'patriarchy'Politically, the US Government demands only males sign up for Selective Service, even though there are plenty of jobs that females can do. This is valuing masculinity over femininity. You don't value someone who you send off to die for the well-being of those you allow to stay home. | /r/MensRights | 26/08/14 02:53 AM |
| 12 | Promoted Comment: The Mutable feminist definition of 'patriarchy'I don't think the patriarchy concept is as ambiguous as it is made out to be in this post. I believe it as a society that values masculinity over femininity in social, political, economic, etc sense In that case there is no patriarchy, at least in modern democratic countries. Socially, masculinity is favored in men and femininity is favored in women. Masculine women are not valued over feminine women. It's about the expectation that we all conform to our assigned gender roles. That's the way it … | /r/MensRights | 25/08/14 11:09 PM |
| 2 | What (negative) things are women (collectively) held accountable for? Not here, but out thereI don't believe /u/DavidByron2 intended that statement as a generalization about single mothers. "who keep kicking out babies they can't afford" restricts the group being referred to, rather than making a statement about the entire set "single mothers" Read it like the item above. "who make their kids take part in those stupid child pageants" clearly is part of identifying a group. It is not a statement about all mothers. | /r/MensRights | 25/08/14 09:41 AM |
| 1 | Challenge for young men is not to ‘man-up’ but to ‘open-up’The problem of couse is that men are erroneously told that expressing themselves like women will solve the problem, when in reality it only exasperates the problem. ... Men and women are psychologically different. Treating a mans anxiety "womens way" is a death sentence. I don't think it is entirely due to the psychological differences. I personally place the blame on the reactions of people in general to men and women expressing weakness. A woman who expresses sadness or despair with, in genera… | /r/MensRights | 25/08/14 09:34 AM |
| 1 | I have taken an interest in the MRM and now my SO thinks I'm the spawn of Satan!I think GWW states the case a little too strongly for those who aren't already heretics | /r/MensRights | 25/08/14 07:01 AM |
| 13 | Female MRAsIt's only fair, since feminism is run like Calvinball. | /r/MensRights | 25/08/14 04:14 AM |
| 3 | Support "The Sarkeesian Effect": An Investigative Documentary About 'Social Justice Warriors' in the MediaNo, I think they have just accepted the feminist misrepresentation of the MRM. | /r/MensRights | 24/08/14 04:36 AM |
| 3 | How is modern day feminism different to Men's Rights ActivismI'll also add to my original answer: Feminism is built on an ideological framework within which men's issues are either nonexistent, unimportant or their own damn fault. Patriarchy theory will never allow for the existence of scenarios in which women are "privileged" over men. | /r/MensRights | 24/08/14 02:00 AM |
| 3 | How is modern day feminism different to Men's Rights ActivismFeminism has done great damage to men and fights to maintain the imbalance they have created. Look at domestic violence laws, the family court and college rape accusations. It has also done plenty to destroy any positive male identity. They have eliminated the importance of fathers and continually imply that without constant reminders not to, all men would rape. | /r/MensRights | 24/08/14 01:33 AM |
| 14 | The Chilling Effect of Misogynistic TrollsMisogyny: Treating a woman like a man. | /r/MensRights | 23/08/14 07:19 AM |
| 6 | The Chilling Effect of Misogynistic TrollsIt's like "rape". Once upon a time it meant a truly horrible crime but feminists have diluted the definition to the point it no longer means anything. | /r/MensRights | 23/08/14 07:18 AM |
| 1 | The president of Harvey Mudd college discusses why women are reluctant to enter STEM fields.especially if you've decided that defining scientific terms is somehow not science - that's silly. especially if you believe something which no statement you have ever made comes close to implying - that's silly. | /r/MensRights | 23/08/14 06:25 AM |
| 1 | The president of Harvey Mudd college discusses why women are reluctant to enter STEM fields.A science test may implicitly test other things. That is unavoidable but the explicit purpose of every question should be to test science. Prior to the introduction of the comprehension section, most of the questions already required comprehension. You had to read and understand a scenario and what you were being asked to figure out within it but you then needed to apply your understanding of physics in order to find the answer. The comprehension was implicit but the explicit purpose of the ques… | /r/MensRights | 23/08/14 05:43 AM |
| 1 | The president of Harvey Mudd college discusses why women are reluctant to enter STEM fields.I did not say it was dumbing down (although it was since the comprehension section required zero actual science knowledge and was just finding an answer in half a page of text) The point you seem determined to miss is that comprehension is NOT SCIENCE. It might be useful to science it may even be a prerequisite but it is NOT SCIENCE and a science test should be testing science. | /r/MensRights | 23/08/14 04:43 AM |
| 1 | The president of Harvey Mudd college discusses why women are reluctant to enter STEM fields.Mathematics is vital to science but you don't teach introductory algebra in a physics class | /r/MensRights | 23/08/14 04:33 AM |
| 1 | The president of Harvey Mudd college discusses why women are reluctant to enter STEM fields.I didn't mean that it was discriminatory (although the fact that they did this but never considered changing any of the humanities to make them less unpleasant for boys is). The point I was making was how stupid it is to make science less scary for girls by turning it in to something other than science. If you don't enjoy science do something else but don't pretend you're doing science. | /r/MensRights | 23/08/14 03:47 AM |
| 2 | I appear to be biased. Can anyone confirm on deny my position?Women have the advantage in verbal/emotional conflict. However emotional abuse is still only taken seriously when it is perpetuated by a man. | /r/MensRights | 22/08/14 04:39 AM |
| 2 | One of my feminist friends on Facebook linked this College Humor Article. All I could do was laugh.Cancer. Cancer is hilarious. | /r/MensRights | 21/08/14 09:31 PM |
| 1 | It's like they cover their ears when told that women aren't oppressedNot that I can legally supply to others | /r/MensRights | 21/08/14 01:45 AM |
| 3 | "A Safe Space For Thee But Not For Me" - On Nerd CultureYou do not have the right to lord some kind of 'old-style nerd' personality qualification over your workplace. I wish you could. Too many hipsters getting into programming nowadays. | /r/MensRights | 20/08/14 10:39 PM |
| 1 | It's like they cover their ears when told that women aren't oppressedwww.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=west%20stanovich%20meserve | /r/MensRights | 20/08/14 10:24 PM |
| 2 | The president of Harvey Mudd college discusses why women are reluctant to enter STEM fields.When I was in high school my state added a comprehension section to the physics tertiary entrance exam. The purpose was stated quite clearly as making science less scary for girls. That's great. Except it is now no longer science. It's primary school English. | /r/MensRights | 19/08/14 10:19 PM |
| 1 | The president of Harvey Mudd college discusses why women are reluctant to enter STEM fields.Yeah, Python always gets me in a bad mood :) | /r/MensRights | 19/08/14 10:17 PM |
| 1 | The president of Harvey Mudd college discusses why women are reluctant to enter STEM fields.I've seen how quickly Python becomes unmaintainable as a program grows beyond a handfull of files. Especially with multiple developers working on the code. Other than that, I just find code without end delimiters for blocks to be really hard to read Java conventions are seriously overengineered and I would never recommend indoctrinating new coders in their ways (I prefer C#, which I consider Java done right) but it keeps code maintainable at large scales. As for speed tests. If you choose algori… | /r/MensRights | 19/08/14 08:48 PM |
| 31 | Wait, did women abandon geekdom, and now that it pays, they want their "fair" share?The core truth of feminism is that it is about obtaining advantage for women without having to earn it. That's the point of feminism. I think it's deeper than that. I think they don't even grasp the concept of earning it. They see what men have but are blind to what men paid to get it. That's the only way I can explain their absolute conviction that they hold the moral high ground. They don't see the facts that everything has a cost and they are placing that cost exclusively on men. | /r/MensRights | 19/08/14 12:38 PM |
| 9 | "A Safe Space For Thee But Not For Me" - On Nerd CultureYou seem to have missed the point. Geeks (mostly male but not exclusively) were a marginalised group. They gathered together and formed a culture in which they could feel comfortable. In feminist terms, a safe space. Now that geek culture has become lucrative and trendy other groups have (to borrow another feminist term) appropriated it. For the most part, the geeks have been fine with that. However one of the appropriating groups, feminists, is trying to remake the culture in their own image. I… | /r/MensRights | 19/08/14 10:26 AM |
| 3 | What solution does feminism offer?Solution? Why would they want to offer a solution? If the "problems" were solved then feminism would be obsolete. That would be in contradiction of the primary goal of feminism - the perpetuation of feminism. | /r/MensRights | 19/08/14 09:19 AM |
| 3 | The president of Harvey Mudd college discusses why women are reluctant to enter STEM fields.I don't know much about this shit but the wording seems to imply that they lowered the standards in order to get more women interested in programming. Does anyone know anything about python? Do you want to start a holy war in here? The merits of various languages is something programming geeks are rather passionate about and they tend to take criticism of their preferred languages rather personally. To say that a language is bad is essentially calling everyone who uses it an idiot for choosing i… | /r/MensRights | 18/08/14 10:55 PM |
| 6 | It's like they cover their ears when told that women aren't oppressedIt isn't ParticipatesInFights. They are only obligated to start the fight, not fight it. | /r/MensRights | 18/08/14 10:38 PM |
| 15 | It's like they cover their ears when told that women aren't oppressedIt isn't even anecdotes. An anecdote can at least refer to objective reality. "Lived experiences" generally refers to their feelings about what happened rather than what actually happened. | /r/MensRights | 18/08/14 10:37 PM |
| 0 | It's like they cover their ears when told that women aren't oppressedUnfortunately it is generally the opposite. Intelligent people are more likely to be ideologically stubborn. | /r/MensRights | 18/08/14 10:34 PM |
| 1 | The president of Harvey Mudd college discusses why women are reluctant to enter STEM fields.The difference is that a competent person can to the job while a successful person can play the game. Competence is unfortunately no guarantee of success and incompetence is no guarantee of failure. I wasn't disagreeing with you about hard work overcoming a late start just your implication that getting a programming job proves you can program. | /r/MensRights | 18/08/14 10:24 PM |
| 7 | The president of Harvey Mudd college discusses why women are reluctant to enter STEM fields."Macho" is a completely inappropriate word in the context. It seems to be talking about the way geeks try to out-geek eachother. I guess it is competitive and therefore typically male behavior. However, it's not the dick-measuring contests that macho posturing usually comes down to. | /r/MensRights | 18/08/14 10:19 PM |
| 4 | The president of Harvey Mudd college discusses why women are reluctant to enter STEM fields.I know graduates of this program who entered without having ever written a single line who accepted $100k developer jobs during their senior year I've seen plenty of people who are completely incapable of coding get good dev jobs. | /r/MensRights | 18/08/14 09:41 PM |
| 1 | Cyber-bully Tumblr feminists send hate messages and death threats to Women Against Feminism (Google search to Facebook group. Join to support them)Stupid feminists. Don't they know you aren't allowed to say anything bad about women? | /r/MensRights | 17/08/14 08:04 AM |
| 3 | 'Mansplaining' Validated By Oxford DictionariesMansplain: (v) To act on the erroneous belief that facts and logic carry more weight than a woman's feelings. | /r/MensRights | 17/08/14 12:47 AM |
| 2 | "11 signs we live in a rape culture" ?When looking at a woman is rape there are no false rape allegations. | /r/MensRights | 17/08/14 12:43 AM |
| 3 | "11 signs we live in a rape culture" ?It is amazing that feminists are able to believe we have a culture which encourages and excuses rape when rape is treated as the ultimate unforgivable crime. Many would support a reformed murderer but even just the accusation of rape will make most people hate a man for the rest of his life. The only rape culture is that around male victims but that's not something feminists discuss. | /r/MensRights | 17/08/14 12:41 AM |
| 6 | Profile of a feminist and an unchallenged power differentialIt is strange that she openly acknowledges the imbalance in power in sex and love. Feminism cannot afford to give that dynamic any recognition as it completely destroys the concept of patriarchy. Even if men hold all of the overt power, they are using it to give women everything they want. | /r/MensRights | 17/08/14 12:31 AM |
| 1 | Do you talk to your spouse or significant other about men's rights issues?We both hate feminism but for opposite reasons. She's rather traditionalist and dislikes the deconstruction of gender roles while I resent the way feminism pidgeonholes men while claiming it wants to free everyone from gender-based judgement. Occasionally this shared hate moves on to men's issues but not in any great depth. | /r/MensRights | 17/08/14 12:10 AM |
| 2 | This woman thinks we should limit how many men can be politicians, that's feminist democracy in action!I didn't make is past the pile of unsupported assumptions in the first few paragraphs. If you artificially limited the number of men in politics I think it would actually increase the ratio of men to women in elected office. As a result of the restriction, the pool of men would be refined before being presented to the voters. Each party would present the best of the women but the best of the best of the men. | /r/MensRights | 16/08/14 06:01 AM |
| 4 | [ADVICE NEEDED] Some male employees are reluctant to take advantage of the grief counselors after a death in the office due to the stigma. What can I do?I guess that's the other side of the way women tend to want to tell you how they are feeling but get annoyed when you offer a potential solution. They want their feelings validated and find that you aren't doing that if you address the cause rather than the effect. Men tend to not see the point in having their feelings validated. Expressing and exploring feelings does not change them. | /r/MensRights | 16/08/14 12:23 AM |
| 3 | I get the MRA thing.This is not about hating women. It is not about limiting the power women wield or even gaining more power for men. Power dynamics are the way feminists think, not MRAs. Primarily what we want is empathy for men. The recognition that men have feelings and value as human beings rather than disposable tools. If power enters into it at all it is the recognition of the power women wield and the expectation that they be held accountable for their use of power in the same way men are. Although we would… | /r/MensRights | 15/08/14 11:41 AM |
| 13 | What are the top 5 most unjust female privileges?Their feelings are given more weight than those of men. Masculine and feminine gender roles are open to them while men are judged harshly for taking on feminine roles. They are not assumed to be perverts. They are free to abuse a man with the knowledge that if he retaliates he will be treated as the one in the wrong. No responsibility for a relationship is placed on them. | /r/MensRights | 15/08/14 09:22 AM |
| 26 | The Ratio - Reducing the male population, solves all problemsonly through mass public castration and the reduction of the male population to between 1 and 10 percent of their current number we can approach “true equality”. One (possibly castrated) man is worth ten women. Not a very empowering position for a feminist to take. | /r/MensRights | 14/08/14 08:21 AM |
| 1 | What are men's "gender roles" that you are still expected to conform to in the United States?I know. Just expanding on the point you highlighted. | /r/MensRights | 13/08/14 02:17 AM |
| 2 | What are men's "gender roles" that you are still expected to conform to in the United States?I just don't see how being arbitrary invalidates it as an expectation. If I drew a Venn diagram of "expectations" and "things that are arbitrary" I'd expect the intersection to be quite large. | /r/MensRights | 13/08/14 01:18 AM |
| 6 | Women's "Equality" MonthMy wife will carry on at length and buried somewhere in the middle will be some statement which implies some action is required on my part. She will later get angry at me for not carrying out that action because I failed to identify that as the important part of the conversation. Identifying the important part of a conversation with a man is easy. If he says it, it the important part. | /r/MensRights | 13/08/14 01:01 AM |
| 4 | What are men's "gender roles" that you are still expected to conform to in the United States?It's clear that you are not going to be satisfied with any of the gender role expectations we point out. It's just going to be: Legal and therefore irrelevant Arbitrary (whatever the hell you mean by that) There are workarounds so it doesn't matter. Not true because of this completely unrelated fact Nuh-uh I've never seen that happen So what is your agenda here? Desire to honestly understand someone else's point of view seems unlikely. | /r/MensRights | 13/08/14 12:58 AM |
| 6 | Women's "Equality" MonthThis Verbal is excellent. | /r/MensRights | 13/08/14 12:46 AM |
| 1 | Women's "Equality" MonthOn Fark they call that a Rotsky | /r/MensRights | 13/08/14 12:43 AM |
| 5 | What are men's "gender roles" that you are still expected to conform to in the United States?Men are expected to handle the physical, dirty jobs. I'm not talking about taking on a physical/dirty career. That's a man's own choice. I mean things like household chores etc. For example, cleaning out the gutters. This is especially annoying because men are also expected to help with all of the traditionally female chores. The man is expected to bring financial resources to a relationship. Few women would consider dating a man who earns less than them. A woman's career is not a deciding facto… | /r/MensRights | 12/08/14 10:56 PM |
| 9 | Women's "Equality" MonthWhere did "Women can handle stress better than men can..." come from? How many men do you see collapse in a sobbing heap when things get tough? I think this is a case of "privilege is invisible to the privileged." Women who have been protected from real stress think that they are great at dealing with it because they have no concept of how stressful life can actually be. | /r/MensRights | 12/08/14 10:38 PM |
| 13 | Women's "Equality" MonthI never got the "women have superior verbal communication skills" factoid. Women can talk for half an hour and convey nothing. Men can get the point across in a couple of words. More words != better communication | /r/MensRights | 12/08/14 10:34 PM |
| 6 | Several girls on my Facebook shared this. I think it's disgusting.The last one is rather ironic. Don’t have standards. Give every woman a chance, even if you aren’t really that interested in her. She likes you, that’s all that matters, because only women’s desires matter, duh. The list exists to criticize other lists in which men have expressed qualities they find attractive in women. So it is essentially telling men that their having preferences, let alone standards, is over-entitled and wrong. | /r/MensRights | 11/08/14 11:13 PM |
| 1 | Men are creeps.Yes, but we are talking about the morality not of science but how it is used. Fire is amoral. Burning down someone's house isn't. | /r/MensRights | 11/08/14 10:30 AM |
| 13 | I have no words.The Anita Sarkeesian thing works both ways. If someone thinks she has anything to offer, other than an example of the most annoying type of feminism, then I don't want to spend too much time with that person. | /r/MensRights | 10/08/14 10:57 PM |
| 3 | Men are creeps.Sometimes science can be used for good. That was the more offensive line to me. Sometimes? | /r/MensRights | 10/08/14 10:46 PM |
| 1 | Do You Consider Abortion To Be An MRA Issue?Even still this is a flawed argument in terms of abortion because you're the one pulling the lever. The point was, the person pulling the lever is playing god, deciding who lives and dies rather than just letting events unfold as the are going to. I believe that it would be wrong to pull the lever. Because it results in the death of someone who was not otherwise in danger. In the case of a woman, it has nothing to do with you. If the murder of black people was legal would I have no right to oppo… | /r/MensRights | 09/08/14 01:54 AM |
| 1 | Do You Consider Abortion To Be An MRA Issue?Pregnancy is the biological purpose of sex. An accident can in no way be described as the purpose of driving. With current technology, the mother is the only person able to bear the burden of the pregnancy. With your hypothetical body grafts, everyone is a candidate. After conception, no human intervention is required to inflict the pregnancy on the mother. The intervention of a surgeon is required by your scenario. 3 is the big one for me. It is related to my answer for the Trolley Problem. I w… | /r/MensRights | 08/08/14 09:10 PM |
| 1 | Do You Consider Abortion To Be An MRA Issue?So in the same logic, being given that the action taken causes an obligation to give up bodily agency, if one was to cause an accident and they needed your body to save the others involved the the crash, they should have the right to do so? It's not an analogous scenario. By having unprotected sex, a woman is essentially volunteering her body to support the potential new life it might create. She has taken conscious action to create that obligation. | /r/MensRights | 08/08/14 12:56 PM |
| 1 | Do You Consider Abortion To Be An MRA Issue?And in my opinion a woman should give up a certain amount of bodily autonomy when she takes action which leads to her becoming pregnant. Just like a man has the financial responsibility to support and children his actions lead to the creation of. Actions have consequences. If you have children you have to take care of them. You give up some freedom as a result of your choice. I happen to believe that the obligation extends back to conception. Other people place that obligation at 3 months or 6 m… | /r/MensRights | 08/08/14 05:49 AM |
| 10 | What exactly do you, in particular, believe as an MRA?At the end of the day, does it really matter 'who is most oppressed'? Not really but OP asserted that women are "unquestionably" more oppressed. I felt that needed rebuttal since it's quite a common feminist tactic to say "men might have some issues but they have it so much better than women so it doesn't matter." I'm happy to leave the discussion at "Men and women have different issues which are essentially not quantitatively comparable but are of equal importance." However, if someone asserts … | /r/MensRights | 08/08/14 03:13 AM |
| 6 | Who... Who started this?I have issues with feminists but i wouldn't call feminism a hate movement. that's some tired shit on both sides. Perhaps "hate movement" is a little hyperbolic. I was really just using it as a shorthand for all of the flaws in the movement, since what is wrong with feminism really isn't the point of this discussion. so what ? it's not like we control twitter. We didn't control Eliot Rodger either. That didn't stop feminists from trying to use him to score points against the MRM. I didn't say "We… | /r/MensRights | 08/08/14 01:14 AM |
| 9 | Who... Who started this?That's not the way I intended it. I Just mean that there have been a lot of non-MRAs waking up to the bullshit of feminism recently and have been publicly responding calmly and rationally. That's a good thing. More people are beginning to see that feminism is a hate movement. Wherever this hashtag came from it is bad for us because it is something feminists can point to and say "look. our opponents are just childish name-callers" | /r/MensRights | 08/08/14 12:55 AM |
| 13 | Who... Who started this?Hopefully this goes away soon. Most of the recent backlash against feminism has fortunately taken the rhetorical and rational high ground. We've been showing that we are the clear headed people while they scream abuse back at us. This sort of juvenile name-calling won't help. | /r/MensRights | 08/08/14 12:44 AM |
| 18 | What exactly do you, in particular, believe as an MRA?Who is more oppressed and how much does it matter Women. Unquestionably, if you tot up every advantage and every disadvantage, women come out worse; the gap has narrowed somewhat in recent centuries and decades, but it is still there and I don’t think it can be fairly denied. I'm afraid I'm going to need a citation on that. All of the stats show men have more in common with other oppressed groups than women (life expectancy, homelessness, incarceration) The stats which "show" women as worse off … | /r/MensRights | 08/08/14 12:38 AM |
| 1 | Do You Consider Abortion To Be An MRA Issue?Is your argument that because some of the man's DNA got into her body, he has a stake in the process and could force her to carry it to term/not do so? No. in that case, the issue is emotional investment in the pregnancy. Many men would be overjoyed at the news that they are going to be a father. However, the woman can legally take that away on a whim. I'm not saying this justifies forcing a woman to keep a baby she does not want. I was simply illustrating that this is a messy area in which it's… | /r/MensRights | 07/08/14 11:11 PM |
| 1 | Do You Consider Abortion To Be An MRA Issue?It comes down to how you think about the embryo/fetus. Clearly our views are different and we aren't going to change each other's. | /r/MensRights | 07/08/14 10:46 PM |
| 11 | Do You Consider Abortion To Be An MRA Issue?I do neither. I'm against abortion personally but recognise that it's a complex issue with many grey areas. | /r/MensRights | 07/08/14 10:48 AM |
| 12 | Do You Consider Abortion To Be An MRA Issue?It may be but I think it's too messy an issue. At this point I think it would be a poor strategic decision for the MRM to focus on it. It isn't fair that a woman can terminate a man's child without him having any say in the matter but you aren't going to end up in a happy place by arguing that men should have a say over whether a woman is allowed to have an abortion. It's also not fair that the woman has much more control over whether the two of them must face the financial burden of raising a c… | /r/MensRights | 07/08/14 06:43 AM |
| 2 | Scenes from the feminist implosionI think that most of modern feminism is more accepting of transwomen. The TERFs are fortunately in the minority. | /r/MensRights | 07/08/14 04:40 AM |
| 3 | A feminist explaining why she is a feminist, all of my Facebook feminist friends are circulating this. What do you guys think?The really annoying thing is that feminism loves to decry society's "objectification" of women while objectifying women. It demands that women are not held responsible for their own decisions and actions. In doing so it robs them of their agency. It reduces them to objects which are acted upon because if they were actually capable of action then they would reasonably be expected to deal with the consequences of those actions. It doesn't accept that, left to their own devices, women are able to c… | /r/MensRights | 07/08/14 02:48 AM |
| 5 | A feminist explaining why she is a feminist, all of my Facebook feminist friends are circulating this. What do you guys think?Feminism tells women that they have been held back by an invisible force their entire lives, they are therefore not responsible for any of their own failings and their successes are worth twice as much because they had to overcome the system to achieve them. Victimhood is an attractive refuge for some. I know, I've spent some time there myself. The male supporters? I'm not entirely sure what the attraction is. My best guess is they've been indoctrinated to feel guilt over holding women back (eve… | /r/MensRights | 07/08/14 02:05 AM |
| 5 | Fathers who call their daughters 'princess' are sexistI mostly call my daughter "Grumblebutt" at the moment. Are feminists okay with that? | /r/MensRights | 07/08/14 01:03 AM |
| 5 | A feminist explaining why she is a feminist, all of my Facebook feminist friends are circulating this. What do you guys think?I quit about halfway through because it was all the same rhetoric Sexual double standards. Yep, I agree those are a thing and they suck but feminists don't seem to have an issue shaming men for being virgins or calling men creepy or entitled for showing an interest in women. Rape culture Because rape isn't treated as one of the worst things you can to to another human being? Representation of women in government Women don't vote? Representation of women in STEM careers I suppose she enrolled in … | /r/MensRights | 07/08/14 12:32 AM |
| 1 | How did Lego become a gender battleground?They must be empowered to play with Lego first. | /r/MensRights | 07/08/14 12:05 AM |
| 1 | #IfIWereABoy... I would be offended by this article#IfIWereABoy I'd be courteous and remember to put the seat down. =) Because women's comfort always comes first? | /r/MensRights | 07/08/14 12:02 AM |
| 1 | #IfIWereABoy... I would be offended by this article#IfIWereABoy I'd treat girls as human that should be respected. If men treated these women the same way they treat other men the accusations of misogyny would be flying. Are they oblivious to the special treatment they get? Men in general treat women so much better than they treat each other. | /r/MensRights | 07/08/14 12:01 AM |
| 3 | #IfIWereABoy... I would be offended by this article#IfIWereABoy I'd collapse under the pressure of being held responsible for the consequences of my own decisions. | /r/MensRights | 06/08/14 11:57 PM |
| 2 | #IfIWereABoy... I would be offended by this article#IfIWereABoy I'd educate myself about feminism. “I think if more people took the time to understand the true definition and motives, the word would stop being so ‘ugly.’ There’s nothing ugly about equality.” Sounds to me like she's the one who needs to be educated about feminism if she thinks its about equality. | /r/MensRights | 06/08/14 11:56 PM |
| 7 | Michelle Obama: 'Women Are Smarter Than Men'Yeah, women love to be told what they want to hear. However, it just seems patronizing to me. "Don't pay any attention to those mean boys and their engineering degrees. You're smarter." | /r/MensRights | 06/08/14 11:54 PM |
| 30 | Michelle Obama: 'Women Are Smarter Than Men'Feminism: Men are inferior to women in every way but have somehow kept them oppressed for the entirety of human history. | /r/MensRights | 06/08/14 11:48 PM |
| 23 | Scenes from the feminist implosionYeah, that was the sentence which really floored me. A straight biologically female woman is more oppressed than a trans woman? How far up their own arses do they need to keep their heads to maintain that belief? | /r/MensRights | 06/08/14 11:44 PM |
| 5 | Labels Against Women - Some parts are ok, other like the end are not fair comparison - Opinion?Same bullshit. There's a difference between being a leader and being bossy. The fact that so many women don't seem to get the difference is concerning. | /r/MensRights | 06/08/14 11:40 PM |
| 4 | The Draft - A real War on MenI'd rather nobody be forced to go to war. If you can't find enough people willing to kill and die for the cause, it's probably not a cause worthy of sending people to their deaths for. | /r/MensRights | 06/08/14 11:33 PM |
| 3 | Indian teenager cuts man's penis off after he attempts to rape her: typical of traditional gender values omnipresent in the media no one cares about the brutality of her defenseAt least in my country, self-defense can only involve approximately as much force as is being used against you. You can't shoot someone who is about to punch you. That said, my personal opinion is that the moment you consciously step outside of the law and act against another person, you should forfeit all legal protection. So morally I'm fine with this. | /r/MensRights | 05/08/14 10:34 PM |
| 6 | "Help Boys, but Don’t Shortchange Girls" A Plea From Gloria Steinem, Pamela Shifman and Girls Inc.You're right. I didn't read that far. I saw "girls of color" and dismissed it as standard intersectional feminist rhetoric in which they pretend that women are disadvantaged because black women are disadvantaged (ignoring that black men are similarly disadvantaged) This was in fact feminists complaining about a rare example of a male-specific program. That's would be valid if there weren't disproportionately many female-specific programs. | /r/MensRights | 05/08/14 04:29 AM |
| 16 | "Help Boys, but Don’t Shortchange Girls" A Plea From Gloria Steinem, Pamela Shifman and Girls Inc.There is a pervasive myth in the United States that girls, including girls of color, are faring well. Typical feminist nonsense. Hijack real racial issues to pretend that women in general are oppressed. The issue is not "girls of color" it's "people of color." Stop trying to turn a racial issue into a gender one. | /r/MensRights | 05/08/14 02:05 AM |
| 7 | Are we at risk of doing what we preach against?Over the last 50 years it's probably been twisted into something nastier but I think that's a symptom of internet anonymity and the ability for every whackjob to have their opinions broadcast to the entire world rather than the inherent idea behind the cause. I'm not talking abour Tumblr feminism. Academic and activist feminism are explicitly anti-male. Patriarchy theory and "rape culture" are pure misandry. Feminist activism has eroded father's rights and prevented male domestic violence shelte… | /r/MensRights | 04/08/14 11:57 PM |
| 4 | Are we at risk of doing what we preach against?Feminism is an anti-male movement. The MRM is in no way anti-female. That's the difference. | /r/MensRights | 04/08/14 11:32 PM |
| 1 | Reddit's demographics: More female, less educated than the general internet population. Might this at least partially explain the website's ideological tilt?Hmm. I'd better not start that PhD I was considering. I might turn feminist. | /r/MensRights | 04/08/14 11:21 AM |
| 2 | Patriarchy scholarship used by feminist researchers, but they miss the pointI think that putting the comfort and well-being of women before ones own is to some extent instinctual in men. I don't think it's a negative instinct but it is one which has been taken advantage of in modern society. | /r/MensRights | 04/08/14 07:40 AM |
| 2 | Men's rights alienation with the issue of circumsicionI believe you are missing a key element. I argued that your parents does what they believe is the best for their child. If a child was seriously ill and needed real medical treatment but the parents believed that alternative medicine was best for their child, should they be allowed to risk their child's life for their own misguided beliefs? | /r/MensRights | 04/08/14 07:31 AM |
| 27 | Why do feminist hate the idea of female avatars in video games?No matter what happens, women are victims. Without that one fact feminism collapses. | /r/MensRights | 04/08/14 06:55 AM |
| 1 | Patriarchy scholarship used by feminist researchers, but they miss the pointDoes our society at large expect anything regarding the maturity of boys that is true to their maleness? I'm not sure, perhaps chivalry to some extent. | /r/MensRights | 04/08/14 03:54 AM |
| 3 | Patriarchy scholarship used by feminist researchers, but they miss the pointI'd say the difficulty for boys is the lack of a positive male identity to aspire to. If you want to focus on a high paid career, you're part of the evil patriarchy holding women back. If you want to go into a more nurturing career, you're assumed to be a pedophile. If you want to be single you're a man-child who is afraid of commitment. If you want a relationship then you "feel entitled" to sex. | /r/MensRights | 04/08/14 03:49 AM |
| 2 | Patriarchy scholarship used by feminist researchers, but they miss the pointAs far as I can tell when most people say "maturity" what they really mean is "living up to society's expectations of you." At school, the expectation is to sit still and do whatever it takes to please the teacher. That comes naturally for most girls. Later the expectations become different for men and women. Luckily for women, feminism has given them much looser expectations. For men however, if you're not interested in working your arse off for status or getting married, you're immature. | /r/MensRights | 04/08/14 03:11 AM |
| 4 | Patriarchy scholarship used by feminist researchers, but they miss the pointIt is not so much that boys develop more slowly, but that they are held back more by education. I don't even think that's the case. We currently define maturity in a very feminine way. Boys mature just fine but they don't match our feminised expectations of maturity. | /r/MensRights | 04/08/14 02:15 AM |
| 1 | Patriarchy scholarship used by feminist researchers, but they miss the pointsociety has come to favor earlier and quicker social development in the species as we economically and culturally grant more to those who are highly adaptive -- mainly young people and females. Do you have a source for adult females being more adaptable than adult males? My personal experience has been the opposite but I have no idea what the real trends might be. | /r/MensRights | 04/08/14 02:14 AM |
| 2 | Reddit's demographics: More female, less educated than the general internet population. Might this at least partially explain the website's ideological tilt?Voting for or against Obama in 2012 is not really broad enough to argue for a trend. Statistical correlation does not require that every datum match the pattern. | /r/MensRights | 04/08/14 12:49 AM |
| 1 | Reddit's demographics: More female, less educated than the general internet population. Might this at least partially explain the website's ideological tilt?http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/2778029?uid=3737536&uid=2&uid=4&sid=21104554867353 http://www.politifact.com/georgia/statements/2012/nov/05/larry-sabato/education-level-tied-voting-tendencies/ http://www.mpopost.com/college-education-increases-likelihood-of-independent-voting-1478 http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/why-graduates-lean-to-the-left/story-e6frg6zo-1225945325274?nk=6103d308e73250f96c92528bb44ef3eb https://faculty.isi.org/blog/post/view/id/670/ It's fairly well documented t… | /r/MensRights | 04/08/14 12:15 AM |
| 52 | 12 men circumcised by force by medical personnel — women approve, and say the victims are now clean and will perform better in bed.Wives of the 12 men were said to be behind the revelation that their husbands were uncircumcised. Wow | /r/MensRights | 03/08/14 11:34 PM |
| -2 | Reddit's demographics: More female, less educated than the general internet population. Might this at least partially explain the website's ideological tilt?I thought more educated people tended to lean left politically. | /r/MensRights | 03/08/14 10:23 PM |
| 1 | People at Comic con 2014 were REQUIRED to watch an hour long feminist talk, if they got up, they wouldn't be allowed to watch the marvel panel.Looking at BlindPelican's post history it is clear they he is neither a feminist not a troll. | /r/MensRights | 03/08/14 12:33 PM |
| 2 | People at Comic con 2014 were REQUIRED to watch an hour long feminist talk, if they got up, they wouldn't be allowed to watch the marvel panel.No. Just intellectually honest MRAs who don't want to follow the feminist tactic of ignoring logic and evidence in the quest for victimhood. | /r/MensRights | 31/07/14 01:35 AM |
| 7 | Feminists go after Richard Dawkins.Logic is rape culture now? | /r/MensRights | 31/07/14 01:22 AM |
| 2 | MRA has made me afraid of getting romantically involved with womenActually I have found that there isn't as much competition as there should be for these women. That's because most men are as dishonest with themselves as most women. They ignore huge red flags and go after partners who superficially appear to be what society tells them they should want. People do change but that is a good thing. You just need to recognise those people for whom change is generally growth. These people are those who are capable of self-reflection. If you want to opt out, that's y… | /r/MensRights | 30/07/14 04:14 AM |
| 6 | MRA has made me afraid of getting romantically involved with women#NotAllWomen Don't fall into the feminist poisoned M&Ms style of thinking. There are plenty of good women out there and if you are honest with yourself it is generally not hard to tell the difference. | /r/MensRights | 30/07/14 03:04 AM |
| 5 | People at Comic con 2014 were REQUIRED to watch an hour long feminist talk, if they got up, they wouldn't be allowed to watch the marvel panel.I love that this is the battle they feel is most important to fight. Male comic book fans are generally social outcasts. They don't get the positive end of "male privilege." Even if you believe in the patriarchy, these guys are not participants in it. | /r/MensRights | 30/07/14 03:00 AM |
| 1 | People at Comic con 2014 were REQUIRED to watch an hour long feminist talk, if they got up, they wouldn't be allowed to watch the marvel panel.It is really stupid too. Anyone not already on board with their bullshit will resent having to endure the talk. All it will achieve is turning previously-indifferent people against feminism. So um. Keep it up. I guess. | /r/MensRights | 30/07/14 02:54 AM |
| 17 | Study Finds That Men Like Nice Women, But Not the Other Way AroundWomen have also been known to change once they are in a relationship. That's not a risk unique to one gender. | /r/MensRights | 28/07/14 09:21 AM |
| 0 | Main reason for anti-feminism.I'm against feminism because it is a destructive lie. It claims to want to dismantle gender roles but only does so superficially. It attacks ideas of masculinity and femininity but simultaneously ignores and perpetuates the underlying gender framework from which these ideas developed. That is the fact that women are valued for simply existing as women while men are valued only for their usefulness, mostly to women. | /r/MensRights | 27/07/14 03:52 AM |
| 2 | Man-shaming is strong with this oneThis proves men are to blame how? internalized misogyny | /r/MensRights | 27/07/14 03:39 AM |
| 2 | What does Fifty Shades of Grey teach men about women?I actually meant that it was true (at least for a large number of women) and demonstrated by the popularity of the books among female readers. The books are about having crazy kinky sex but someone else bearing complete responsibility for it and tens of millions of women became quickly obsessed. Sometimes people want to be the object rather than the subject. | /r/MensRights | 27/07/14 03:27 AM |
| 3 | What does Fifty Shades of Grey teach men about women?There is some truth to both statements. Men are generally more visually stimulated and women do respond to dominant behavior. Unfortunately being a jerk is an example of dominant behavior and many women respond to that. It's not true for all women and should never be used as an excuse by a guy who is lamenting the fact no girls are interested in him. If the women you are interested in want an abusive arsehole then you're just going after the wrong women. | /r/MensRights | 27/07/14 03:08 AM |
| 11 | What does Fifty Shades of Grey teach men about women?That women like sex but it has to be something done to them rather than something they actively pursue or participate in. That way they maintain their innocence. | /r/MensRights | 26/07/14 03:54 PM |
| 5 | Sexually shamed by a Feminist, go figure.My cousin gave up bodybuilding because it screwed up her hormones so much that she was temporarily completely infertile. | /r/MensRights | 26/07/14 12:42 AM |
| 5 | Sexually shamed by a Feminist, go figure.That's a feature of feminism, not a bug. | /r/MensRights | 26/07/14 12:01 AM |
| 2 | A surprisingly positive perspective on male nanniesMy wife and I had our first baby last week. A friend bought us a copy of "What to Expect the First Year." I was just flicking through it and spotted a section titled "Is He Manny Enough For the Job" When I realised it was about leaving your children in the care of a (gasp) male. I was sure there'd be some warning about sexual deviants but was pleasantly surprised at how positive the author was about male nannies. | /r/MensRights | 23/07/14 07:33 AM |
| 4 | What would Feminists need to do in order to get you on their side?Value science, logic, objective facts and statistics more than individual women's "lived experiences" | /r/MensRights | 22/07/14 11:14 AM |
| 5 | [X-Post from /r/Feminism] "The average prison sentence for men that kill their female partners is 2-6 years. The average sentence for women that kill their male partners is 15 years." Your thoughts?It is not a specific crime. I don't know what the real stats are but "kill" can mean a huge range of different crimes with very different sentences. | /r/MensRights | 20/07/14 06:40 AM |
| 2 | Everything you do is rape, everything you say is oppressive, and you have invisible privileges that automatically invalidate any objections you might have to the first two.I wish it was just Tumblr but this is a fairly accurate portrayal of academic postmodernism | /r/MensRights | 18/07/14 02:44 AM |
| 2 | Are mens rights getting anywhere?It wasn't a long drive | /r/MensRights | 18/07/14 02:03 AM |
| 26 | Isn’t the fact that so many people feel angry about the very existence of feminism a sign of how much the movement is still needed?Isn't the fact that so many people feel angry about the very existence of the Westboro Baptist Church a sign of how much the group is still needed? | /r/MensRights | 18/07/14 12:38 AM |
| 3 | Marvel's new Thor is going to be a woman.Just a cheap trick to get some publicity and readers. Like Doctor Octopus's mind taking over Spider-man's body. It won't last. | /r/MensRights | 16/07/14 09:40 AM |
| 10 | Not a Mens Rights follower, not a troll, but I have a question: how do Mens Rights activists reconcile the idea that men are losing their rights with the fact of their overwhelming representation in gThere is what others have referred to as an "empathy gap" between the sexes. Women's wants and needs are taken more seriously by both genders. | /r/MensRights | 16/07/14 06:58 AM |
| 4 | Sandman "Male Feminists - MGTOW"Seeking consent in everything we do That's the vision feminism has for men, asking permission to breathe. | /r/MensRights | 14/07/14 02:34 AM |
| 0 | [Discussion] Where does the Mens Rights Movement (or you) stand on discrimination against male homosexuals/ men who embody traits generally percieved as feminine?Men are direct but women are bitchy. Men are leaders while women are bossy. Men are stoic while women are frigid ect. it goes both ways. This is nonsense. There's a difference between being direct and being bitchy and that difference is not what's between your legs. Similarly leadership and bossiness are two different things and so are stoic and frigid. There are plenty of women who are direct, strong leaders and stoic without being bitchy, bossy or frigid. There are also plenty of men who are b… | /r/MensRights | 14/07/14 02:02 AM |
| 4 | Man charged after slipping his pregnant girlfriend an abortion-inducing drug.I'm pro-life but even I see that there is a difference between a woman choosing to terminate a pregnancy and a man poisoning her to lose her baby. | /r/MensRights | 14/07/14 01:51 AM |
| 2 | [Discussion] Where does the Mens Rights Movement (or you) stand on discrimination against male homosexuals/ men who embody traits generally percieved as feminine?What do you think the patriarchy is? I think it is a convenient (for feminists) oversimplification of historical gender roles. Yes, men have historically held overt authority but women have never been powerless. One thing to remember is that our roles were largely defined by reproduction. Reproduction is more expensive for women than men. It's a 5 minute commitment for a man, they've got time to impregnate every woman who will let them. For women, it's 9 months of carrying the child then years o… | /r/MensRights | 14/07/14 01:50 AM |
| 2 | [Discussion] Where does the Mens Rights Movement (or you) stand on discrimination against male homosexuals/ men who embody traits generally percieved as feminine?Yes, I'm aware that "male privilege" and "patriarchy" have nice inoffensive definitions. However, those are not definitions being used when those terms are invoked. A recent post here provided a great name for this - motte-and-bailey doctrine: http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/07/social-justice-and-words-words-words/ "The patriarchy is just a system of rigid gender roles" Is the motte, a highly defensible position but not very useful. "domestic violence is the result of patriarchal ideology in w… | /r/MensRights | 14/07/14 12:20 AM |
| 1 | That Guy T "Anti-Feminist advice on Rape Culture: Part 1"Yeah we know. They are trying to change the narrative from teaching women not to do things to cause rape, to telling men not to rape. they are trying to control the narrative to maintain wide societal acceptance of the idea that men are fundamentally evil. | /r/MensRights | 14/07/14 12:12 AM |
| 1 | That Guy T "Anti-Feminist advice on Rape Culture: Part 1"Any useful advice which might actually prevent rape is dismissed as "victim blaming" It's not "don't wear that" either. It's "Don't make yourself an easy target." Advice very similar to that outlined in the video. | /r/MensRights | 14/07/14 12:11 AM |
| 1 | That Guy T "Anti-Feminist advice on Rape Culture: Part 1"They say don't tell men what to wear, teach men not to rape, to demonstrate how ridiculous teach women not to get raped by having them wear special clothes is. No, they have actually tried to "educate" men on how not to rape. http://www.savedmonton.com/our-campaigns.html | /r/MensRights | 13/07/14 11:57 PM |
| 0 | [Discussion] Where does the Mens Rights Movement (or you) stand on discrimination against male homosexuals/ men who embody traits generally percieved as feminine?I don't believe that feminist ideology is solely responsible for the issues you cited. Feminists pushed for the laws that gives default custody to the mother and fight against attempts to change that. though I don't know what the anti-boy education system means. Schools are more suited to girls than boys. It's a broad topic. Christina Hoff Sommers seems to be the expert on the problem. Checkout her book "The War Against Boys". She also has a few articles around the internet and even some Youtube… | /r/MensRights | 13/07/14 11:48 PM |
| 2 | Feminists using distance to education as a means to deter young male university studentsMore women go to university than men now. | /r/MensRights | 13/07/14 11:33 PM |
| 1 | That Guy T "Anti-Feminist advice on Rape Culture: Part 1"It's not really about giving advice to women. It's about demonstrating how ridiculous the feminist model of "teach men not to rape" is. | /r/MensRights | 13/07/14 11:19 PM |
| 6 | [Discussion] Where does the Mens Rights Movement (or you) stand on discrimination against male homosexuals/ men who embody traits generally percieved as feminine?Why are you not interested in bridging the gap? Feminist ideology is responsible for many of the issues the MRM is fighting against (lopsided parental rights, the anti-boy education system etc.). Feminists also try to silence MRAs when they try to get some focus on men's issues. The fact that you seem to genuinely believe that there is common ground suggests to me that you're more of an idealistic feminist than an ideological one. That's great. you will find plenty of common ground with the MRM.… | /r/MensRights | 13/07/14 11:05 PM |
| 3 | I propose a cleanup of MensRights ideals. Thanks to /u/sillymod for defending us today in /r/changemyviewI think the majority of MHRA's just have the belief that feminist ideals are harming society by marginalizing men. The ideals (equality) are fine. It's the ideology (the patriarchy) which is damaging. | /r/MensRights | 13/07/14 10:52 PM |
| 11 | Man charged after slipping his pregnant girlfriend an abortion-inducing drug.I'm almost convinced that this is a false-flag post intended to discredit the MRM. It's unacceptable to trick someone into taking any sort of drug. To cause a pregnant woman, who I assume wanted to keep the baby, to lose her baby is just plain evil. | /r/MensRights | 13/07/14 10:50 PM |
| 2 | Gold Coast director uses own rape conviction as inspiration for debut feature filmI recognise that it is the law, otherwise a court would have awarded compensation. I just think that the law is nuts. Sorry about ruining you life. No hard feelings? | /r/MensRights | 13/07/14 02:38 AM |
| 1 | Political Persuasion? Been thinking about this alot.The cynic in me thinks it was just to prove he wasn't misogynistic after Gillard's hissy fit. However, I like to believe that the policy was intended to encourage educated people to have children. | /r/MensRights | 13/07/14 01:23 AM |
| 3 | Political Persuasion? Been thinking about this alot.I'm not sure where I stand politically. I sympathise with most if the ideals of the left but find myself almost always voting for the right. I just find most of the left are so wrapped up in their ideals that they will unquestioningly and enthusiastically push any policy which promises to further those ideals. More often than not these policies end up doing more harm than good. They are too eager to sacrifice personal freedom or economic stability to further the cause. The right, on the other ha… | /r/MensRights | 13/07/14 12:33 AM |
| 1 | Political Persuasion? Been thinking about this alot.I still cringe when I remember Gillard's lecture on misogyny in parliament. | /r/MensRights | 13/07/14 12:17 AM |
| 5 | Apparently men don't deserve a fair trial. God help us all!You're thinking about it backward. If you lower the standard of evidence then there will be no innocent men going to prison because we will all be guilty. | /r/MensRights | 13/07/14 12:13 AM |
| 11 | Gold Coast director uses own rape conviction as inspiration for debut feature filmNo compensation after 19 months in prison for something he didn't do. How the hell does that make sense? | /r/MensRights | 12/07/14 09:55 AM |
| 4 | When you always hear of extreme feminists, you sometimes forget about regular women - 15 Women Say Why They Don't Need FeminismFeminism is a men's issue. | /r/MensRights | 11/07/14 11:24 PM |
| 0 | Is this as offensive as it feels to meDoes it matter? "I'm offended so you need to shut up" is s feminist tactic. | /r/MensRights | 11/07/14 10:48 PM |
| 5 | Here is the video of Paul Elam's debate with Matt Binder from earlier today.It failed because Elam didn't say "Only a psychopath would say that". He said "It's a statement anyone could make." Binder went on to pretend Elam said something completely different. | /r/MensRights | 11/07/14 07:33 AM |
| 3 | Question: How many of you are disillusioned feminists?Feminists complain that women in traditionally male professions are taken less seriously. That probably is true to some extent but it's largely feminism's fault. They have pushed for special treatment for women. Due to the efforts of feminism women have to meet lower standards than men to get into the same positions. This leads to the (quite reasonable) assumption that the women in these jobs are less capable. You know that a man who gets that position met more strict standards. I suppose this h… | /r/MensRights | 11/07/14 05:31 AM |
| 4 | Here is the video of Paul Elam's debate with Matt Binder from earlier today.I stopped watching after "Here's a quote from Eliot Roger's manifesto." ... "Now I will pretend you just said that's a statement a psychopath would make and reveal that I way lying. It was actually a statement by an MRA" you can't debate with someone that dishonest. Even when his little "trick" failed (Paul said that it was one line and anyone could have said it, not just a psychopath) he insisted that it worked. Hahaha Gotcha! | /r/MensRights | 11/07/14 05:03 AM |
| 11 | Question: How many of you are disillusioned feminists?Woman here. I was never a feminist. My mother was a doctor when most women were nurses. She managed to do this without being an attention whore and complaining about it. That's a pattern I've noticed. The successful women I know just get on with the fucking job. They don't whinge about oppression and privilege. My wife is a lawyer. She hates feminists. One of my best friends is a female engineer. She's never said anything positive about feminism. The women who identify as feminists seem to be al… | /r/MensRights | 11/07/14 03:55 AM |
| 10 | Mind the Gap: How One Employer Tackled Pay Equity (McGill University Spent 13 Years and $19 Million to End Disparities Between Genders)I can't remember. Are high heels patriarchal tools of oppression or are they symbols of female empowerment? | /r/MensRights | 10/07/14 11:32 PM |
| 10 | Question: How many of you are disillusioned feminists?I was a feminist by default. I grew up in a society which taught me that you were either stupid, evil, backward or feminist. I certainly didn't consider myself stupid, evil or backward so that left me with one option. My 'disillusionment' came when I realised that the belief in equality regardless of gender was just a cover story. Germaine Greer's views on transsexuals didn't help. | /r/MensRights | 10/07/14 11:30 PM |
| 3 | That Guy T! "Laci Green: The goals of feminism have been achieved!"I was unaware of That Guy T. Thanks for introducing me to his work. This video is perfect: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBJF9cmud8k&list=UULJkNhB1Eg_mXx0quUju0Og | /r/MensRights | 10/07/14 12:55 AM |
| 10 | Paul Elam plays games re debating MatT BinderI don't think I've ever seen someone so smugly misinformed. "The Women's B team" Some of the most valued voices in this movement are those of women. It was GirlWritesWhat's videos which brought me here. | /r/MensRights | 09/07/14 11:21 PM |
| 5 | Today I was empaneled as juror #1 in a rape trialPlease show me the statistical trends on "women liking to act like victims in our society." http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/08870449708407402#.U7zQOvmSx8E Females, however, tend to be more external than males on most locus of control measures. An external locus of control is the essence of victim behavior. However, I wasn't talking about that. I was referring to your statement that "tend to" is a wiggle word. | /r/MensRights | 09/07/14 05:21 AM |
| 6 | Today I was empaneled as juror #1 in a rape trialDoesn't mean I'm somehow not stereotyping just because I used a wiggle word. So discussing statistical trends is stereotyping now? | /r/MensRights | 09/07/14 05:02 AM |
| 5 | Today I was empaneled as juror #1 in a rape trialUpvoted you for calling out the guy's wide-brush painting style. /u/-Fender- didn't say "all men rely less on emotions and more on facts." He said "men tend to rely less on emotions and more on facts" He was making a statement about trends when averages are taken across large groups of men and women. Pointing out statistical gender differences is not quite the same thing as painting with a wide brush. | /r/MensRights | 09/07/14 04:52 AM |
| 3 | NZ: Rape accused would have to prove consent under Labour planIt's absurd to say that we should start convicting people without evidence on the assumption that women never lie. It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer | /r/MensRights | 09/07/14 03:03 AM |
| 3 | Can we have a discussion on this video, please?If feminism was about equality, she would spend an equal amount of time on these issues. The man's 3 second appearance in the video shows what she thinks of men's issues. Man's place is sycophantically parroting feminist propaganda. | /r/MensRights | 09/07/14 01:06 AM |
| 2 | Can we have a discussion on this video, please?Things like that make sense when you start from the assumption that men constantly silence women. However, assumption has never been true. Women meeting in the absence of men has always been the norm, men meeting in the absence of women has always been treated with suspicion. http://www.the-spearhead.com/2011/04/15/the-1674-womens-campaign-against-coffee/ | /r/MensRights | 09/07/14 01:01 AM |
| 3 | Can we have a discussion on this video, please?Same old feminist bullshit. They say "Feminism means that I believe in equality" but neglect to finish the sentence "and assume that women are universally oppressed by men." The ideal is noble but the ideology misdirects it. | /r/MensRights | 08/07/14 11:07 PM |
| 4 | NZ: Rape accused would have to prove consent under Labour planThat depends on whether NZ law recognises that men can be raped by women. | /r/MensRights | 08/07/14 10:57 PM |
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