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Physiologymatters/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 03:07 PM
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I agree with that, you need to trust the people you're talking with
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 12:12 AM
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Some of that stuff we'd find common ground on, some we'd debate, and some I don't know enough about to have a strong opinion either way. I'd feel comfortable talking about these with people I know in an academic, unemotional fashion for sure
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 11:46 PM
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If you take your feelings out of the equation, what objective or tangible things did she do to show her love?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 11:11 PM
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I guess I'm pretty boring then. Could you give me an example of something you believe that you wouldn't feel comfortable talking about in person?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 11:10 PM
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I think I read your comment wrong the first time. We talk about whether Trump is a foreign asset or not (I'm pro), gender roles and Jordan Peterson (I'm mixed), how much and what kind of support should be given to addicts and mentally ill people (I'm pro not wasting resources on lost causes beyond minimizing negative impacts to the community), gender differences and who is better at what (I think it depends), and whether I think women are coddled by society and not held to high enough expectatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 08:49 PM
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I never said I'd blurt it out in public or to people I don't know well. Picking your audience is important
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 08:35 PM
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Authentic viewpoints maybe, but the Internet doesn't force refinement the same way discussing things in person does. I can yell my opinion into the abyss and wave away any critiques that come back at me, but if I say something irl and someone I respect takes me aside and goes "hey when you said this, this is what i disagreed with and i thought that you didn't take x y and z into account- what do you think?" it's gonna make me think about my position and either cement it further or show me gaps i…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 05:05 PM
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Honestly I can't think of societal deterioration without including polarization as a cause on some level- what else would cause it other than fragmentation into tribal groups who believe in a zero sum scenario? And yeah I agree that first or second dates are not the time or the place to get into such debates- if a stranger asks me my opinion on something political or social I try to answer neutrally or with points in favour of either side and use it as an opportunity to feel out their own positi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 04:52 PM
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That's one way to do it for sure... but if the end goal is actual change or at least preventing further societal deterioration, there needs to be some kind of open communication between people who lean to either side otherwise like stays with like and the next generation is even more polarized. Obviously dating preferences are one thing, but in terms of actual social change the way to start would be to get to know someone a bit to guage their temperament then start the discussion if they seem ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 04:13 PM
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Yep and he didn't exactly embody the kind of success that modern men want to emulate anyways
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 03:53 PM
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This perfectly describes my mother 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 03:50 PM
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You're on a roll today
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 03:48 PM
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Yeah they're definitely a filtering mechanism- because the majority of the population is filtered out since they either don't give a shit about the issue or agree with some stuff but aren't willing to associate themselves with the extremists. If there is going to be a non-violent solution, this moderate middle group on either side will be the ones who negotiate and work together to establish new societal and legal frameworks - moderates on either side have more in common with each other than wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 03:34 PM
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What were the things you liked about your ex and what did she bring to the table? What made you want to marry her in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 03:23 PM
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The whole point of ideologies is to manufacture conflict via seemingly irreconcilable differences. It's a millenia old political strategy The counter to an ideology is not the opposing ideology, it's to take a step back so the ideology is not a defining feature and to choose to focus on similarities to establish a starting point for negotiations. Oh you both feel threatened and like you're getting the short end of the stick. Oh you both feel like you can't trust the other party because they want…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 03:13 PM
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Some people pursue their own desires, some people do what others want them to do. I gave up on my original career choice because of familial pressure, it was too "unfeminine". That's on me, if I'd been more self assured I would have told them to stuff it but I was still very easily influenced by my family
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 03:00 PM
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Some interesting research results about testosterone in men and women. Seems to indicate that testosterone is at least partly influenced by whether someone is habitually in leadership or authoritative positions, as in having authority increases testosterone, and to a greater degree in women than in men. A potential implication is that adult testosterone levels could be influenced by the degree of leadership and autonomy that one experienced as a child. I'd love to see more studies on this https:…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 02:53 PM
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Usually I don't laugh this early into my day, thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 02:34 PM
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Ye Turns out telling at each other on reddit isn't very productive
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 02:27 PM
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Picking the people you're talking to in the first place is important. I can talk about politics all day with certain people even if we disagree.. with other people I won't touch it with a 10 ft pole. If there are no people around you capable of civil discourse with people they disagree with, I'd say there's a problem with your environment because in my experience that's not the norm. I'm not in the US however so our environments may well be different.. but that just shows that the animosity isn'…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 02:26 PM
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My experience has been different from yours so I can't really relate. Of course there are people who I wouldn't discuss this stuff with but they tend to be unpleasant and unreasonable anyways so it's no big loss. I know tons of people who all have differing opinions but are always up for non-aggressive debates though And yeah I mean if I was a celebrity I'd be talking about it with people I know are calm and measured thinkers, not saying stuff to the world and opening myself up to attack and mis…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 03:00 AM
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Yeah there are walls for sure but we have a bit of choice in whether we let them contain us. I've approached this issue by getting to know a bunch of people from different backgrounds.. of course I could do this because I had the opportunity to travel and have a bunch of hobbies and go to desirable schools, if I had a different upbringing and economic situation I would probably have ended up totally different. Labels is our default but I think that for society to thrive we need to identify more …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 02:50 AM
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Oh I hear ya. There are some pretty epic miscommunications on here and words don't always mean the same thing to different people so it's good to clarify
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 01:00 AM
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I'd start with mandatory conflict resolution training for everyone involved, then appoint a qualified impartial mediator
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 12:42 AM
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I'm all middle path too. I like to be happy, and be surrounded by happy people. But I never blindly listen to advice or guidance unless the person giving it is qualified to do so
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 12:35 AM
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Yeah I lived in an ivory tower but jumped out a long time ago. Life is way better and more fun on the ground floor 😊
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 12:33 AM
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Oh yeah I have tons of respect for people who succeed despite their background
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 12:31 AM
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Super trite maybe, but people will always have common ground if they look hard enough
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 12:30 AM
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If you're saying that epistemology is only part of it and we also need to be familiar with philosophies of human nature then yes I agree
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 12:09 AM
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Same here, I talk about politics and relationship stuff all the time and it's never been confrontational
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 12:02 AM
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Every single problem or disagreement I've resolved or seen resolved was addressed by finding common ground and engaging in civil discourse.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 12:01 AM
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Sure. This is where personal values come in.. I'd consider myself to be dating down if I was with someone I didn't respect or admire. I don't respect people for solely their social class because that's an accident of birth, and many economically comfortable people didn't do anything to earn or deserve it (like me).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 11:56 PM
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Not at all. I learn from every person I interact with at a more than superficial level. I'm just sayin that if someone has an understanding of formal logic and theories of knowledge they filter all "advice" and "guidance" through it and keep the stuff that holds up under scrutiny.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 11:51 PM
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This describes literally zero of the men I know who actually like their lives
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 04:18 PM
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There's a world of difference between "you need to be self sufficient and able to finance the lifestyle you choose" and "money, status, and looks are most important in attracting a long term partner". I'd bet my entire bank account that a partner who values those things over personality and character is not a partner worth having.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 04:12 PM
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Teaching a kid that they will be valued for what they can provide rather than who they are is not comparable to locking your door before you cross the street. My mom taught me to be on guard because men would only value me for sex, and it took years and a lot of tears for me to move past that. I used to resent her but now it's just pity for the sad little lie she's locked herself in
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 04:01 PM
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No argument there What role does epistemic thinking play in your life and what will you teach your children about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 03:52 PM
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Funny how it usually is 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 03:46 PM
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Sorry how are you relating epistemology and christianity here?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 03:45 PM
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Critical thinking is a neutral framework. Will you be teaching your children anything about epistemology?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 03:38 PM
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Talk to people in real life. If a conversation starts with a basis of shared humanity it'll probably be productive- at the end of the day we all just want to matter and feel safe. Online or one directional discourse takes away the commonalities and turns it into a competitive zero sum framework Edit: discarding the labels would also help but the people feel like they're losing their identity and they don't know who they are without the box they've put themselves in
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 03:29 PM
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I hope they turn out ok
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 03:25 PM
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You either teach a kid to think critically or you don't, you can't half ass it and leave gaps in their critical thinking so your "guidance" stays valid My mom tried to ram the stuff in your post down my throat. Thank god I had enough curiosity and brains to figure it out which bits were useful and which to discard
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 03:21 PM
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Sorry I'm not sure what's going on here, did you mean to reply to me?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 03:15 PM
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Talk about a self fulfilling prophecy.. I hope her post is theoretical and they don't actually end up doing this to their kid
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 03:07 PM
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Good answer. It would be good for a daughter too
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 03:04 PM
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Well put, I'm planning to do the same. They need the space, skills, and experience to develop into a complete person instead of having an ideology rammed down their throat
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 03:01 PM
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Absolutely. I have and probably will again
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 02:51 PM
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I'll take the asshole who helps grandma cross pls
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 02:43 PM
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Same. I'm with someone who didn't have the family safety net and worked hard to establish himself. That stuff came easy to me so I admire people who did it by themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 02:32 PM
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I like exciting people in general, probably because I had to work hard to not be afraid of new experiences so I admired people who just went out and did stuff without getting stuck in their own heads
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 02:26 PM
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I think the big lesson here is that men and women who focus on personal growth and what it means to be human end up thinking similarly, so the men vs women competition is manufactured not natural.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 02:24 PM
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I just want to clarify that in no way do I actually feel like I'm "dating down" or that he's inferior. There are things I'm better at and things he's better at, we complement each other well.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 02:22 PM
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Yea that happens for sure. Although the last big relationship disaster I witnessed was a woman dating a younger handsome dude while sleeping with a rich dude on the side. Then she broke up with young and handsome for the rich guy
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 02:01 PM
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Depends on what you mean by "dating down". I'm more educated, make more per hour, and come from a "better" family than any of the guys I've been really into. Ivory tower dwellers never did it for me
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 05:06 AM
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I can see an argument for both sides using similar tactics in different flavours, but can't really see one for the "right" being science based, anti-hierarchy, and comfortable with dissenting opinions
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 04:39 AM
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I'm definitely not saying men in general lack the intelligence to distinguish between literal and figurative speech- but I would say that people who have less life experience under their belt do have a harder time with it. The impression I often get is that many of the posters on trp/related boards are young- late teens to mid twenties. They're going through shitty times and need to vent their anger, I get that.. but I'd definitely prefer that they read your original comment instead of the other…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 04:30 AM
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That's funny, "pure" is the word I was thinking of too. There's something charming and heart warming about people who manage to keep their illusions about the goodness of humanity, and it made me sad to see that shattered so horribly Edit: and the after effect of him picking up the pieces of his life wasn't great to watch either
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 03:37 AM
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The only times I've felt something similar involved a genuinely good guy who I cared about being hurt by their gf in a potentially life ruining way. Like on the one hand you could have shit on him for being an idiot ad dating nasty trash like that, on the other hand he's a wonderful person and didn't deserve anything that she put him through
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 02:47 AM
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Yeah maybe I'm just wary of any message that is embellished and requires personal interpretation to justify itself, in my experience the average person (male or female) doesn't necessarily have the best tools to discern which parts to keep and which to discard... particularly amongst people who have trouble finding balanced perspectives in the first place. The recent converts are the most zealous, etc Do you think rp would have more or less value to men if they used the tone and conciseness that…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 02:38 AM
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Yeah I'm not a fan of their conversational/writing style.. it would be awesome if the general message was in the same vein and tone as what you wrote, I just get the impression that a lot of people don't actually have the reasonable judgment to figure out what's useful and what's exaggerated
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 01:16 AM
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That was very well explained. Was this interpretation how you originally saw rp or is it something that you've refined along the way?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 08:56 PM
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Eh I dunno. I liked his comment because it reminded me of my dad (who's barely taller than me)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 08:43 PM
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Well if that's the look associated with the people discussed in here it makes sense I don't relate to so much of it lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 07:25 PM
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Yeah. What about it seems abnormal to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 07:13 PM
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Don't think I've ever met one. How would I be able to tell?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 06:15 PM
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Gross. People like that suck
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 06:08 PM
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That lines up with what I've seen too. In your examples, Dude 1 is a liability because that type of person generally can't get positive outcomes out of their interpersonal relationships.. I see this sometimes among certain types of athletes, they throw their weight and aggression around until the rest of the group either quietly bypasses them or teaches them a physical lesson. Most of the toughest and most 'apex/alpha' men I know are really laid back, which I think a lot of Internet discussions …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 05:22 PM
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You sound normal and well adjusted. How did you end up in ppd?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 03:54 PM
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To me it seems like "alpha" boils down to "gets what he wants out of social interactions". Do you agree with that?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 03:41 PM
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Crap I deleted my comment. Basically I think it's dumb when people don't even look like they lift irl or have eating disorders but their instagram makes them seem super athletic and healthy. They project completely unrealistic expectations of fitness too, like the ppl doing a show will get photoshoots done then and reuse those retouched pictures for years.. their page makes it seem like they're in amazing shape constantly but irl they just look average
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 03:36 PM
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Was the woman giving you shit about the beer being overtly hostile? If not she might have been trying to really awkwardly flirt
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 03:14 PM
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The off putting thing isn't that they're proud of their hard work- it's the lengths they go to in contorting themselves into poses to make themselves look a certain way online that doesn't reflect reality and how inconsiderate they can be with their self directed gym "photoshoots". It's a weird little niche world and it's turned me off of social media tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 01:01 PM
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Well that's frightening. It might make an interesting discussion question though if people answer seriously
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 01:24 AM
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Who doesnt want to be special
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 12:42 AM
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I hit the button too early 😶 didn't fix it in time but it's good now
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 11:25 PM
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It was super sarcastic. Adults who easily lose self control are a liability. I'm ashamed when I lose my shit and try to do better in the future
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 11:20 PM
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I'm on team use-whatever-tools-get-you-what-you-want... just think rp is too rigid and focuses on what to think instead of how to think
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 11:07 PM
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Thats pretty much how I'd describe myself too, funnily enough. Understanding power dynamics is everything and a healthy dose of narcissism makes life much easier
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 09:21 PM
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Are you actually selfish and evil though or did you start off so far on the other end of the spectrum that now you're mostly balanced and it just feels extreme to you? Like if someone treated you with the same level of kindness you treat women, would you be OK with it?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 09:05 PM
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K what's the implication that I missed in your original comment?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 08:59 PM
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Sometimes yeah. Not often enough to justify positioning your original comment as the default though imo
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 08:56 PM
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Isn't getting to know someone the whole point of dating them in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 08:46 PM
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If men can't be dominated psychologically, how do they end up needing the 'red pill' in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 08:45 PM
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Men who lack self control are so sexy
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 08:37 PM
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Sounds kinda like a fancy way to say women are attracted to pragmatic men who don't automatically defer to others
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 08:30 PM
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They're definitely not. I think people who put more effort into virtual personality/relationship building don't get kind of negative feedback they'd get if they acted like that irl.. I see this with fitness models all the time, they look like complete dipshits taking pictures at th gym and everyone who sees them doing it realizes how vapid and fake it is, but people online admire them
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 08:18 PM
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Oh yeah. Lots of people are too soft or short sighted to sacrifice now for future gains so who the fucks knows how it'll play out.. seriously good luck and I hope you end up in better surroundings
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 08:26 AM
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I think another factor alongside religious morality is economic development. The warmest cultures seem to be those where economic hardship is a current reality or at least recent memory.. maybe people in poorer societies tend to band together more and value relationships and human connection more than material goods
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 08:24 AM
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Yea I think the most effective way to get ahead is for people to be as self sufficient as possible but then choose to work together
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 07:01 AM
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I'd wager there's a psychological component here.. In my professional experience people who develop significant weight related issues in the first place have some mental health stuff going on to begin with, ranging from mild escapism to major disordered eating
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 09:42 PM
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"Mutually shared illusion" is a good way to put it. As long as both partners buy into the same illusion and work to keep it alive I think there's a chance of success, on an individual scale if not a societal one
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 09:32 PM
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I get what you're saying but my gut says that getting too cerebral about this stuff guarantees failure for a lot of people. I'm not saying you're doing this, but maybe some people are using stats to justify a lack of trying in the first place.. a kind of sexual/relationship paralysis by analysis
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 09:11 PM
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Will do. Take care
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 09:07 PM
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I'm not sure how you're relating the man's value/n count to my social circle's experience with dating and relationships from ages 18-28ish We weren't fighting over the same few men- we all found and ltr'd very different men, and there was a lot of internal (and sometimes vocalized) "uh, really? Okay, if you're sure.." from all of us at different times. My SO says the same thing about his friends and their wives/gfs/ppl they fuck- he doesn't get why they're attracted to a lot of these women, and …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 09:01 PM
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I think that's a pretty fair view and can't guarantee I wouldn't think the same way if I were a dude. Most of the time when I see people worried about too-high partner count I get the impression that they're talking about like 5-10ish, which depending on context could go either way
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 08:54 PM
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Is your original assertion based on more than anecdote?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 08:46 PM
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That's not true in my experience at all. I'm not even remotely attracted to the men my friends are dating/marrying.. like they're cool people but zero desire for them. When we were single we'd be fawning over completely different types and used to give each other so much friendly shit for it
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 08:40 PM
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Hypothetical situation- you're in a relationship where you feel loved and respected and are getting the type and amount of affection you want. Feel great, she's cool, takes responsibility for herself, doesn't make you feel like you're drowning in your own shit. You've never talked about previous partner count, but a couple of years into a great relationship it comes up that she's slept with more men than you're comfortable with. What would you do?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 08:34 PM
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Not surprising at all, considering how formative the first few years of life are for kids. That would be an interesting discussion to have in relation to adult sexuality and bonding outcomes
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 08:28 PM
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My approach to this is to identify how much if any control I have over a situation, do my best to get the desired outcome, and forgive myself if it doesn't work out.. I'll try again in the future, hopefully with a better strategy but I always leave room for the possibility of failure. At the end of the day it doesn't matter if the failure is on me or on extenuating circumstances, I forgive myself either way. I don't know of this kind of thinking is what you're referring to but that's the "strang…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 08:23 PM
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My feelings towards self went through some major fluctuations between, say, 14-24.. trying to balance native culture vs new culture, disordered eating, overcoming fear of failure, shit like that. So my relationship with myself and standards for myself changed a lot, but I don't think my standards for dating/relationships did.. what definitely did change was my ability to recognize the qualities I wanted as well as my ability to actually be a partner who lived up to the standards of the caliber o…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 08:15 PM
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Yeah I figure it's (one of) my job(s) to be pretty and his job to be a beast
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 07:57 PM
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You're exactly right, and usually the most classically handsome men I've met are not the most charismatic. Same with women I think
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 07:48 PM
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As far as I'm aware, social cohesion can only really be generated from the bottom up... top down enforcement doesn't work very well. The only chance I can see for the US to make it through whole would be for citizens to reach out to each other on the basis of shared desire to rebuild community bonds, but that would require putting on the backburner any identity or ideological leanings other than "we all want to be safe, fed, and warm, therefore let's work together to achieve that" which is prett…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 07:40 PM
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I'll do some more research and put something together, sociology isn't my field either but I definitely think analyses of the current "sexual marketplace" could use some more... dare I say...intersectionality
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 07:30 PM
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Jesus christ Seriously? This is a thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 07:22 PM
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Re the sex causing depression, I think lots of casual sex over time might contribute to worsening depression depending on the woman's starting point. Like if she's starting in a place where she's seeking external validation from to try to make himself feel valuable, she's never going to get it cuz she's putting her self worth in someone else's hands and the kind people willing to take advantage of that are not going to care about giving her what she's looking for.. so basically if it's about sit…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 07:14 PM
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I don't think you're wrong at all.. I don't see an easy happy ending here either. Shits fucked
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 06:57 PM
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Ohhh yeah that shit drives me nuts. To make it worse, you have people who should know better but have ulterior economic or ego driven motivations to make a name for themselves and corner an audience/build a following. Listening to the reasonable academics is boring as hell, there aren't many spectacular debates.. maybe a minor quibble about nuance or philosophical interpretation here and there. We also gotta remember that academics are people too, they have jobs and families and need down time a…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 03:42 AM
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I don't know if I'd draw a distinction between 'born good' and 'good by choice'; they both end up in essentially the same place, with basically a positive output into the world. Do you think it makes a difference whether it's nature or choice? To tie it back to rp "philosophy", I'd say these guys were "good by force", which is bound to fail since they only acted in "blue pill" ways because they didn't have a choice or thought it would get them what they want. I think in order to live a good life…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 02:59 AM
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Ha, the noble bit was entirely learned, not something inherent. I chose to leave this particular field because Plato was right when he said that those who enjoy wielding power and seek it out do not posses the right temperament to be trusted with it
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 02:36 AM
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Oh man be careful, if you keep feeding my ego like that I'll never shut up. The reason I'm on ppd in the first place is cuz interpersonal power dynamics are my pet philosophical topic and I need to give my irl people a break from it
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 01:44 AM
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Aww shucks, thanks mate It can be kinda surreal talking to people on here, there's a huge mismatch in experiences/backgrounds/cultures that confuse the issues. This is a distinctly American forum, but I don't think discussions around the sociosexual culture of the US can take place without considering the underlying political and economic frameworks that mold society- those are 100% power based structures, but they are merely a projection of human nature in the first place, and human nature is c…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 12:59 AM
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And then you have a solid sense of self so you pick and choose who is worth your time and don't lose sleep over those who aren't.. one of the things I've noticed irl is that happy people like themselves. Online and in trp I think it gets switched around to "I'll like myself once I'm the person I want to be".. it needs to be the other way, "I like myself therefore I want to be better for my own sake". Reading the posts by rp men doesn't usually give the impression that they like themselves or are…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 12:28 AM
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Yeah absolutely that fits in there. This stuff is so interesting
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 11:33 PM
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Reading your post made me think of trp as training men to switch from insecure attachment to avoidant attachment, bypassing the secure attachment style that has the best relationship outcomes
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 11:14 PM
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Do you have an opinion on things like attachment styles and the research around adverse childhood experiences (ACEs)?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 10:43 PM
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Where does "being a good man" come in? The freemasons I know tend to have high powered positions and make good money. They're doing fine. The (competitive) bjj guys I know tend to be fit and resilient and get laid pretty easily and generally dgaf about much cuz they know they can fuck shit up. What's wrong with either of those communities?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 10:34 PM
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Of course it can't promise that, there's no way to make life risk free
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 10:07 PM
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👏
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 10:00 PM
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It's the real red pill
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 09:48 PM
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Yeah there's a whole conversation here around respect, power dynamics, and the fundamental truth that we tend to like people who have the capacity to flex power and fuck shit up but choose not to out of affection or respect. The only people who like weakness in others are predators or weak themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 09:37 PM
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There are plenty of people who'd rather be single than settle for a mediocre-to-shitty relationship. Plenty who wouldn't, of course, but that's up to the individual
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 09:15 PM
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I purposely looked for a partner who cared about personality and I'll teach my kids to do the same. My son will know that fuck/marry are two separate categories and they need to overlap in the same person for a successful relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 08:43 PM
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Yeah freemasons or something similar, plus bjj or some kind of live martial art
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 08:40 PM
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I should fucking hope so
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 08:38 PM
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That's probably smart. I'm pretty old school, it would take a catastrophe for me to consider divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 08:26 PM
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I gambled on a 5 year history of being a great team and going through a bunch of shit together, never losing respect for each other and never treating each other as adversaries. It's working well
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 08:11 PM
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This is one of the studies your excerpt cites (Anders 2015)- if you're bored give it a read a let me know what you think https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4653185/#s4title
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 07:58 PM
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I agree with all that, and agree that loads of people get married for the wrong reasons, but still think it's a reflection of their own internal landscape and not a problem with the institution. I fully believe it's possible to have life long partnerships, provided that both people are of sound character and took the time to choose someone else of sound character as well. That's a personal responsibility and if someone forgoes it they done fucked up.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 07:53 PM
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The difference in raw testosterone isn't super relevant - what actually matters is the response. If a man's available test increases by 50% but only 10% of it can be bound, and a woman's increases by 11% but all 11% is bound, she's getting a greater behavioural modifier. I get what you're trying to say, mostly, I'm just saying that if we're going to have an accurate conversation about testosterone and its links to masculinity, we need to involve a whole host of other variables and also take into…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 07:43 PM
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I figured you didn't have any research on it, since science says lower baseline testosterone is easier to increase than higher baseline. On average, increasing women's testosterone is easier than increasing men's testosterone, and low test men get bigger increases than high test men. Furthermore, women produce much less overall testosterone but that doesn't mean that the effects of acute elevation are proportionally smaller. The bottom line is that behavioural manifestations of testosterone bein…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 06:49 PM
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That sounds... not fun or conducive to a happy life. The US is in a really weird place right now, I mean it's kinda been weird for a while but now it seems like full out tribalism and I'm glad I dont live there. I just want you to know that there are people in the real world that think for themselves and are very reasonable and kind even towards people they don't necessarily agree with
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 06:30 PM
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Higher testosterone is only a piece of the picture, among other things you also need to consider individual and intersex variations in receptor availability and sensitivity, as well as chronic and acute lifestyle and environmental factors plus other hormonal pathways. Not to mention the impact of modern socio-cultural constraints on moderating testosterone production and utilization during adolescence If you have any research showing that higher base testosterone correlates to greater acute incr…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 06:19 PM
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That's mega fucked, dude. Like, that's not how society is supposed to function.. if you're in an environment like that you're missing out on a shit ton of positive and constructive social interaction. Like reddit is fun for me but I have similar conversations irl with almost all of my friends/clients/newish aquaintances and it's all good because we're all starting with the understanding that our commonalities as humans outweigh any ideological or philosophical differences. Yeah there are nutjobs…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 06:04 PM
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Whether something benefits you depends entirely on the specific context. Some men benefit greatly from marriage and others suffer because of it... every single man who's ever gotten married thought it would benefit him in some way
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 05:57 PM
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I'm saying the mechanism is a loop, not one directional. Environmental and social input influences testosterone production in both men and women. A low test person given authority over others will have measurably higher testosterone after bossing people around. Same with putting someone in a competitive environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 05:45 PM
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Good comment, I agree. Plus if the relationship is good and both people are getting the type and amount of love they need from their partner, marriage isn't scary. We tried out for the team and both passed, now we sign the contract.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 05:30 PM
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My friends are all getting married in their late 20s/early 30s- to men they've been with since their late teens/early 20s. They're going into the marriage with significant assets and good jobs on both sides, and have bought or are planning to buy houses and have kids. Even the guy who has been with his gf for 8 years and always said he wouldn't marry (she was okay with this) has proposed. She's fun and chill and they have a great time together- genuinely liking and trusting your partner makes ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 05:27 PM
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Are you having these conversations in real life or online? People I've met in real life who have been exposed to a variety of life experiences and are of sound character tend to be civil and easy to talk with even if we disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 05:17 PM
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Ha I know all about that. You can take the parents out of the bloc, but you can't take the bloc out of the parents
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 05:13 PM
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Just pointing out that females also produce androgenic hormones and are also more responsive to a given amount than a male would be. The variance of androgenic production and uptake within the female population is quite large. Reducing the conversation to "any social manifestation as a consequence of testosterone is in essence maleness" sets up a narrative that is not scientifically sound, particularly given the evidence that social behaviour such as exerting power or risk taking moderates testo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 05:09 PM
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That's kinda impractical isn't it? It would be less stressful and more productive to ignore the obnoxious and obviously unreasonable voices and instead seek out the reasonable ones to establish common ground and go from there.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 04:52 PM
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Exactly. I think in real life this marriage stuff is way more complicated than people here on ppd make it out to be, especially once familial/cultural obligations come into play. In my experience, families where wealth/influence accumulation is intergenerational require their kids to have partners who have skin in the game and are willing to meld themselves into the existing family unit
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 04:43 PM
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What are your thoughts on those bullet points? Agree, disagree, it depends?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 03:55 PM
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Yep. It's mainly a cultural/class thing, for my family at least. I grew up being told that relationships don't mean shit unless there's an engagement->marriage. After 4 years of dating my SO, my dad (who had been 100% uninvolved in my dating life to that point) sat me down and grilled me about when my SO would finally propose... the implication being he had better be planning to marry me
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 03:19 PM
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I'm not sure how much of that would be malicious and how much of that would be an attempt at nuance; academia in your area might be different, but in my circles there's absolutely an understanding of the physiological and hormonal differences between men and women. It just has to be tempered by understanding that broad stroke behavioural generalizations need to be applied carefully; for example, early childhood upbringing and experiences greatly influence adult attachment style, which has less t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 02:54 PM
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I have no desire to let strange genitals touch me so if I'm out dancing I either play dodge-the-dick or dance something with actual steps. Never discussed it with my SO, if he was out and was grinding on someone else we'd definitely talk about it and get on the same page. I don't think I'd be impressed if he was buying strange girls drinks without justifiable context either, that would be another thing to talk about. I don't accept drinks from strangers unless it's extremely awkward to refuse, i…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 04:12 AM
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I'm overcoming the toxic parts of my personality by being honest with myself about my shortcomings, making a list of controllable traits that I want in a partner, comparing the two, and developing the habits and skills that I want in a partner that I don't yet embody myself. It's going well.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/18 05:32 PM
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I agree with you- however I do think it's important to point out that there are different Overton windows perceived within a population based on what they're exposed to.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/18 05:04 PM
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What do you mean by elites concealing psychological gender differences? I think a lot of this men vs women/right vs left thing comes down to the people at the bottom of the socio-economic hierarchy deluding themselves into thinking that the people at the top care more about them based on shared physical traits than they do about members of the opposite gender in their same socio-economic class. My wealthy, politically connected uncle (and his friends) will always give me more opportunities and p…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/18 04:48 PM
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The mental and ideological landscape of the US is a huge factor here and probably muddies the discussion. The American conceptualization of "left vs right" is massively skewed in relation to most other developed democracies. "Left" in the US either lines up with or is to the right of what conservative means in other countries. One of my problems with RP is the focus on biology rather than social, political, and economic context.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/18 04:36 PM
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Provided that you're talking about the online rp community, I'd describe it as tribalistic rather than individualistic
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/18 04:31 PM
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I've never seen it laid out quite this way, and I'm not saying it's tre for every woman, but definitely fits my history and what I looked for in partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/18 04:09 PM
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There are plenty of dudes who have a group of women they fuck and a group of women they date. One group is entertainment while they look for a suitable gf/wife
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/18 06:30 PM
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Wow what's the rationale behind that?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/18 02:32 PM
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Likewise
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/18 02:28 PM
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Yeah cuz young women and men are so responsible and think about potential long term consequences when they're infatuated 🙄 if that were true then men wouldn't have to pay child support for kids they didn't want in the first place. On that note, I don't actually know any men paying child support for kids they didn't want so this is all pretty academic
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/18 02:25 PM
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If you're willing to pay the price socially or economically then by all means lobby to change child support laws.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/18 01:53 PM
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The source of the money doesn't impact how "helpful" it is. If the father doesn't pay, either everyone's taxes increase or society is destabilized. You gotta pick a lane
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/18 01:50 PM
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That sounds totally reasonable - if LPS laws are introduced at the same time as the social programs the only issue would be potential psychological issues for the kid, which could probably be minimized or managed by having other caring adults. I don't have much insight into American culture- do you think people would be okay with higher taxes to fund more robust social programs to make sure kids don't slip through the cracks? My real issue would be with men to want to avoid the financial respons…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/18 03:06 AM
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We are in agreement overall- if the societal conditions, laws, and benefits were such that the resulting children were guaranteed adequate social, economic, and psychological support, it would be feasible for men to have the legal option of opting out of parenthood. Unfortunately for the US, that's not the direction it seems to be going in- I hope they can figure out a better system than they currently have.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/18 12:08 AM
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But if there's a safety net to guarantee that children will have their needs met regardless of parental income, how is that the mother being 100% responsible? I don't see how that would be a deterrent; furthermore, we're not considering women who believe having an abortion is morally wrong- that's a whole different can of worms. I agree with your ideal scenario - unfortunately from what I've seen there are many people who are just shitty parents and don't understand the gravity of their role so …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 10:13 PM
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I'd like to read about children's social interactions if you have time to write a post. Or just recommend some reading
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 09:03 PM
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If there was enough of a social safety net for the kids to ensure their future isn't compromised there would definitely be a better case for absolving fathers from paying child support. My concern in that situation would be more for the psychological wellbeing of the child- I think growing up knowing that one of their parents wants nothing to do with them would be very tough for the kids emotionally.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 08:56 PM
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My stance is that in an ideal and fair world a man could legally waive his responsibility to his offspring. We live in neither a fair or ideal world, and the practical result of men being able to have a financial abortion is that the rest of society has to shoulder the burden to a greater extent than we already do. You can't have both no financial responsibility towards unwanted children and low taxes- pick one.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 07:31 PM
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What do you think the economic and social implications would be for a developed nation if women were unable to have abortions and every pregnancy had to be carried to term? Furthermore, how would such law impact men's ability to get casual sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 05:31 PM
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Is that a yes to the question? I mean, that's fine, but I'd be wary of reestablishing that particular precedent
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 05:17 PM
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If the rules change, we're all paying more in taxes to house millions more criminals and cover more policing, and have higher insurance rates to cover theft and property damage, plus our neighborhoods are less safe. Either the people who contributed DNA pay, or people who had nothing to do with the situation pay. Do you think society would be okay with that? Would you be okay with more money coming out of your pocket because other men are having "financial abortions"?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 05:16 PM
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The fact that childhood neglect and poverty contributes to risk of criminal behaviour, mental illness, and addiction has been well established for decades. I'm kinda impressed that you're arguing that a stable father figure doesn't influence developmental outcomes, please elaborate. It sounds like you are saying that a kid with an uninvolved father will not develop resentment and psychological issues around being unwanted by someone who should be a major figure in his life. If you're leaving a k…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 05:08 PM
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Right but if she doesn't want to, is the state going to force her to abort?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 04:54 PM
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If you're against mandated child support, should the child be raised solely by what the mother can provide or should there be government assistance?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 03:45 PM
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Yep. I wear an uncomfortable seatbelt because I don't want to get flung through a windshield; if a dude isn't willing to take on a kid he should wear a condom. Personal responsibility is that thing, I don't understand why people have problems with this. Like why are guys putting their future into someone else's hands?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 03:41 PM
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Yeah of course shelling out money for a kid he doesn't want is not in the father's best interest; what is in his best interest is not having a delinquent, drug addicted criminal teenager who hates his guts. It's a shitty situation for the dad but having a safe society where I don't have to worry about packs of desperate kids breaking into my house and mugging me is worth the tax money I already pay. I'm not down to further subsidise people who have accidental kids
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 03:34 PM
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Agreed. Unfortunately, children who grow up without access to resources and education are more likely to turn to criminal behaviour, so it's in our overall best interest to look after their needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 02:44 PM
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I guess we have different definitions of frame then
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/18 08:34 PM
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That has nothing to do with your assertion that high testosterone=frame
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/18 07:33 PM
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I work with athletes in sports where supplementation is common. There are also behavioural/psychological/physical signs we monitor to try to prevent chronically depressed testosterone production
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/18 04:34 PM
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Long term love is just 2 people who consistently trigger positive neuroendocrine reactions in each other and minimize negative ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/18 03:58 PM
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I wonder how many of the posters on here are u-18 This is not a good place for them
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/18 03:42 PM
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Frame to me is (should be?) what happens when someone believes that their actions and decisions influence their life experience. Basically things happening to you vs things happening because of you You build it through introspection and putting yourself in challenging situations that make you uncomfortable, fucking up, figuring out where you went wrong, and trying again I think some RP see it similarly, and others think it is being aggressive and rude, purposely trying to make others uncomfortab…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/18 03:38 PM
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Plenty of high testosterone guys are psychotic messes with extremely poor impulse control and deep seated insecurities
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/18 03:26 PM
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In my case it was largely because I was constantly told by my family to distrust men and their motives so I'd zero in on as many cues as possible to try and see if his intentions were genuine. On top of that, I really liked him and didn't want to do anything he didn't like, so I'd be watching for those cues too. It was exhausting for both of us.. I'm definitely going to try avoiding that particular complex with my kids
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/18 02:45 PM
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I can't think of anything men in general need to improve on. My SO needed to improve his ability to identify and communicate his feelings, it was hard for him at first but easier now.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/18 02:35 PM
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These both took an embarassingly long time for me to figure out and come to terms with. I'd over analyze everything and stress out about it
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/18 02:29 PM
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Ohhhh I didn't realize I'd wandered under a bridge. Carry on
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/18 06:41 AM
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I'm confused as to why you're concerned about your son's future sex life if you believe character matters more than hotness to mentally balanced people
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/18 06:40 AM
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Dude your son needs a dad who teaches him how to overcome failure and not be ashamed if he can't do things perfectly on the first try, who will model resilience and sound character, and will teach him the importance of self respect and eating well and being active. When he's grown, that kid will find a partner who was raised the same way and he'll have a way better shot at happiness than a kid raised by a dude obsessed with his son's future lays
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/18 06:33 AM
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The second part of my original comment was that women need to be held to higher standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/18 06:29 AM
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If someone isn't getting what they want out of life, they are usually part of the problem. Introspection is useful
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/18 06:17 AM
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No I can't. I don't care that fat ugly dudes fantasize about and masturbate to 10s. Why do you care if ugly women read vapid romance novels?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/18 06:14 AM
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We can argue about who's fault it is or we can try to do better right?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/18 06:09 AM
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Strongly disagree
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/18 05:25 AM
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Why does this bother you? Are you offended that they're so disconnected from reality or what?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/18 05:18 AM
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If you want women to value traits other than looks, you need to teach them from a young age that character matters. That's not going to happen on a large scale unless guys as a group decide to be more discerning when it comes to who they fuck and marry.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/18 05:12 AM
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Hahahahahahaha this is amazing
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/18 05:00 AM
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Wow man I really hope this is your reddit mentality not your real life one. Good luck out there
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/18 04:21 AM
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Depends on the woman, and depends on what you include in "looks". Anyone can get athletic, improve their posture, and present themselves in a flattering way. Personality also goes a long way, risk tolerant people are way more fun to be around and generally have way more confidence and better stories
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 11:14 PM
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So what? They can expect whatever they want
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 10:32 PM
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Where do you end up if you missed the last exit of the rabbit hole?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 09:21 PM
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Men have agency
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 09:17 PM
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Yeah this only really works if parents are raising their kids this way. Like, there are basically 3 ways for someone to grow up to be a good partner/parent/person - sheer luck, being taught by adults, or being a shitty person for a while and deciding to do better. Number 1 is irrelevant, the other two need some improvements
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 08:17 PM
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I don't think it has to be gender neutral- there absolutely are biological differences, hormones are huge modifiers when it comes to behaviour/body composition etc. I just think both men and women have reached a point where we're mostly useless whiny entitled lumps and something needs to shift. The solution should obviously be tailored to the individual. Like if women were comfortable with physicality and play wrestling, they wouldn't freak out at little boys testing themselves against each othe…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 07:52 PM
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I agree that women are still expected to be competent at handling the home life stuff- I would however say that many men marry or commit to a woman they assume will be a good (competent) spouse and mother but don't actually make an objective assessment of her, resulting in anguish down the road. Same thing for a lot women- they see what they want to see, not necessarily what is actually there. I don't have anything against traditional relationships, and completely agree with cultivating talents.…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 07:34 PM
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In some past societies, women were expected to be competent at handling the home and children and servants - the men learned the skillset to manage the public sphere, the women learned the skillset necessary to handle the private sphere. In other cultures, women were allowed in combat and expected to be physically fit. I'm saying that reproductive value is not enough- there needs to be an element of competence from both parents in actually raising the resulting child, which seems to be waning no…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 07:10 PM
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The majority if men are not fucking women with the goal of reproducing. It's not a masculinity crisis, it's a competency crisis. A society either values and encourages competence in everyone or no one at all. Competent people expect competence from those around them, regardless of gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 06:57 PM
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Why are mentally maladjusted physically unhealthy women still desirable? Physically and mentally weak people are a national security risk regardless of gender. As for the economy, passive consumption is kind of a big money maker, you'd want more consumers not less
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 06:41 PM
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I don't get why this has to be gendered. Lack of exercise, sedentary behaviour, and getting lost in passive consumption instead of active experiences is incredibly negative to the development of both boys and girls. The outlets they choose may be different (video games and porn vs social media, retail therapy, etc), but the underlying causes are the same, as are the long term negative physical and developmental consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 06:12 PM
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Huh that's interesting. My understanding was that "caucasoids" overall have fewer neotonic features than other people with other genetic makeups. White people aren't generally associated with neotonic features like proportionally short arms/legs, larger heads, flatter faces, and less pronounced noses
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 03:33 PM
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The only truly fair solution is mandatory birth control for both women and men. If you want a kid you need to apply for permission to have it reversed and show all partners your status.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 03:10 PM
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Their imagination outweighs their actual experience. Kinda like armchair quarterbacks
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 03:06 PM
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I'm thinking long term
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 02:27 PM
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How does neoteny relate to this topic?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 05:35 AM
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It's not that hard to figure out the broad preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 02:28 AM
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That's not biological though, South America has its own demons related to racism and class. It's not the colour itself, it's what it represents that matters
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 02:27 AM
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I'm the same, the more mixing the better. Eventually everyone will be a similar shade and people will have to find other dumb categories to judge each other by
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 07:41 PM
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In my experience, there's almost always a reason for being attracted to someone or something, usually that it represents something that we value.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 07:28 PM
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That's good. I was trying to figure out how to word the american diversity culture = lack of agency thing, well said
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 07:09 PM
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What is your native language?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 06:22 PM
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The less you have of something the more it matters?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 06:14 PM
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Yeah it really depends on where you live. In my area mixed couples are really common, no one gives a shit
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 06:11 PM
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Mutts are healthier
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 05:46 PM
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That's just sad. Do you think they can retrain their brains to work properly?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 05:45 PM
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What's the thought process behind that?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 05:37 PM
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I'd say it is cultural. Attractive people are attractive, regardless of skin colour. It's the weird American brain that gets all divisive diversity that's the issue, not anything inherently biological
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 05:35 PM
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I'm shallow about a couple of things, the main ones being they must be athletic and they must lift (does not =must have 6 pack; no bodybuilders) A) it matters because it has implications for both our personality/lifestyle compatibility and their long term health B) it means I didn't date people who weren't fit C) no. Don't care if people think I'm shallow D) I might have to modify my behaviour if I want something from them
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 05:26 PM
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That explains a lot Is introverted intuition EN then?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 05:14 PM
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Doesn't the N stand for intuition?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 04:20 PM
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Would you mind expanding on what you believe that? I'm really curious about this idea since it's not one I've encountered before
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 06:40 PM
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Ah okay. I guess a better question then would be whether you believe there are people who are genetically precluded from gaining confidence, regardless of their efforts
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 06:26 PM
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Why do you think it's genetics rather than other factors? Are you thinking about mental illness type stuff?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 06:22 PM
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How to eat and exercise effectively to reach your goals. Seeing the shit people do is part hilarious, part horrifying
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 06:17 PM
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Confidence in large part comes from conquering your fears/overcoming challenging situations. Do you think there are people who are genetically incapable of doing that?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 06:11 PM
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I've heard of it but never read it. What was your biggest takeaway from the book?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 12:55 AM
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Reasons I chose not to online date: -I figured that if a guy was looking for a relationship online, he was struggling irl for a reason -people can say whatever they want online, it's easier for me to gauge them if I see them irl -I didn't want to have a bunch of random strangers messaging me sexual shit -setting up meetings with Internet strangers felt like it would be putting myself in an overly vulnerable position
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/18 04:00 PM
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It makes me kinda sad. Research indicates that the health and fitness of the parents has a great impact on the development and long term health of a child- I wonder how many kids have disadvantages that could have been prevented or minimized had their parents had a healthier lifestyle
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/18 02:44 PM
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In some circles it is
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/18 02:27 PM
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Agreed. I think the next few decades will see some borderline unbelievable research results about the impact of muscle mass and activity level on everything from epigenetics to neurological disorders
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/18 07:33 PM
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I work with a lot of kids/teenagers, so I make sure they're learning that they are capable of taking responsibility for themselves and their growth. There's no difference in the expectations I have for girls vs boys, they understand there are biological differences but everyone is expected to cultivate the same behaviours
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/18 07:21 PM
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Yeah probably, but there are women from that general area who think like that and raised their kids that way. Maybe those are her legit opinions or it's someone trolling, but either way my family is from there and I've seen that attitude
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/18 12:55 PM
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I can't imagine saying that to anyone. How fucking mortifying. Even if they did have some kind of issue with their junk the last thing I'd want to do is make them feel bad about it
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/18 04:29 AM
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What did you say to her?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/18 02:55 AM
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Yeah I do actually. I get some flack for it too. We can discuss if you're interested
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/18 02:25 AM
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That must've been awkward
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 10:47 PM
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Yeah I can see that... never met one like that irl though. If it feels good it's just fine
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 10:33 PM
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Dick size doesn't really matter if you like the dude it's attached to
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 10:22 PM
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I get that the image someone projects and their true self can be very different, but that's the whole reason you take your time and get to know someone, see how they handle stressful situations, how generous they are with their time and money, etc. There are always red flags, which makes me think guys often see what they want to see and not what's actually there
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 07:37 PM
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There's a huge culture and value gap between you and the people you're talking to. I totally get the way you think but most people born in the US won't
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 07:17 PM
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Yeah power is at the root of everything. We seek out either partners with more, less, or equal power to us, depending on our psychological peculiarities
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 06:57 PM
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Yeah there's a big difference between having resources and being resourceful
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 06:52 PM
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There are secluded areas everywhere, rural or urban. You just have to be creative and explore a bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 06:25 PM
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I'm sure you're lovely and do all of those things very well. It's just funny how different people have different criteria
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 06:17 PM
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People have been fucking in secluded areas beside a fire since the dawn of time... no money necessary
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 05:15 PM
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Being married in no way disqualifies you from being able to make big frivolous purchases. That depends on the individuals involved
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 04:57 PM
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See I don't get this- if men pick women based on how the woman makes you feel, why are guys ending up with nasty selfish ones who refuse sex and belittle them? If they pick based on who they are as a person, why are they picking women lacking integrity and good character? If what you wrote was true, there wouldn't be an audience for rp to begin with
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 04:51 PM
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Agreed. I do think there can be a difference in how much a woman prioritizes a man's finances based on her own personal financial situation- Some women might mistake the feeling of safety provided by a well off man for sexual attraction. For me personally, sexual and personal compatibility was the number one consideration, then career/financial stability
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 04:40 PM
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It blows my mind that so many people don't think this way. I get that we tend to model the dynamics we see as children, but still at some point the brain should kick in and go 'what qualities do I need in a partner to lay the foundation for the kind of relationship and life I want?'
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 04:11 PM
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That's interesting, what kind of examples are you thinking of? Is there a difference between an officially designated male space and an unofficial group of guys who decide to do stuff together? My personal experience is that guys just go do things with their friends. Sometimes the wives are invited and sometimes they aren't
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 03:58 PM
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I enjoy reading your comments
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 03:44 PM
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Exactly. Relationships are only zero sum if one or both of the people involved see it as a competition- I can't imagine living like that. The whole point of having a partner is choosing someone who will be your teammate and have your back through life. There's no room for blaming each other, if something goes wrong or someone fucks up the correct response is OK how do we fix this, not omg you're such an idiot you can't do anything right
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 03:39 PM
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Great comment, everything you said is dead on
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 03:35 PM
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Sounds like the perfect middle aged housekeeper
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 03:32 PM
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Some people deny it because it doesn't match up with their personal reality, ie they've just gotten lucky or were raised in a way that allowed them to do well without having to put too much thought into moving up. Some people deny it or don't acknowledge it as a means of gatekeeping, like if you're not clever enough to figure the rules out you don't deserve to play. I think the real problem with this discussion is that sexual attraction is a thread that leads back to an overarching power dynamic…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 03:21 PM
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Oh man you chose hilarious examples, my fiance has that exact job and drives a Toyota almost as old as me. I'm definitely not settling though 😎
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 09:33 PM
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Right, and if a guy pushed me up against a wall and I didn't want to be there, I'd either politely wriggle away and maneuver us to a more public place, or shove him away and leave. If he tries to restrain me then he's going to have problems, but until then it's a social miscalbration at best or a predatory dude at worst.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 07:54 PM
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I'm not aware of the existence of any matriarchal societies where political and military power has been concentrated in the hands of females. So yeah you're right by default
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 07:50 PM
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I said "without my consent". Just like there are some situations where you would be okay with getting your dick grabbed, and some situations where you wouldn't. Non verbal consent is a fancy way of saying rapport. Some people can accurately gauge non verbal reactions and some people can't. If you can't, then casual sex isn't for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 07:36 PM
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This is way too vague. What's the context? If someone pushes me up against a wall and kisses me without my consent I'm gonna be pissed. If someone comes up to me and starts a conversation, they don't need my consent to try but they need my consent to continue- if I don't give it, please don't keep trying to corner me. You're also missing the fact that "desirable" men are better at picking up on social cues and can tell when non verbal consent is present. That's one of the things that makes them …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 06:43 PM
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Thank you for the list!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 06:27 PM
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I totally agree with your first 2 paragraphs. There are definitely environments where masculine (ie capable), intelligent men are easier to find, but overall they are not well represented in the population. I disagree with your latter 2 paragraphs because I also see a dearth of capable, intelligent women. I know women can be capable and intelligent because I've met some, so the issue seems to be rooted in cultural expectations and norms rather than biology. I think girls and boys should both be …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 06:26 PM
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Any society where power and decision making is concentrated in a small group of people will be more effective than a society where power is diffused.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 06:16 PM
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No ulterior motives, I'm actually curious about the specific ones that you had in mind while writing your comment. If you respond with the list then I will say thank you and go on my way.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 05:57 PM
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Which societies are you thinking about in particular?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 05:39 PM
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I'd argue that it's not so much human vs animal as the pursuit of short term interest over long term interest, which is an individual choice influenced by a myriad of biological and social factors. Some people can be very strategic, long term thinkers in one area of their lives but not another; some people have zero capacity for strategic thinking and are constantly jumping from one dumpster fire to another.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 05:32 PM
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I completely agree that women want to date the best they can get. Every woman values different traits, but yes there are absolutely minimums that need to be met in hygiene, grooming, intellectual capacity etc
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 05:08 PM
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What do you think are the reasons behind declining membership in these clubs? Are there new spaces that men are congregating to? The majority of men I know have found or created male only activities/spaces.. does that line up with your experience?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 04:12 PM
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It's not like 15 guys out of the 100 are universally dateable to every woman- my 15 would be different from her 15, which would be different from another woman's 15. There might be some overlap but we wouldn't end up picking the same guys
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 02:44 PM
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Option A) they fawn over women because they have no self respect and yearn for approval or affection Option B) they don't want to make themselves targets by saying something they'll get attacked for by the woman or by an online group Option C) judging people is a subtle art that they were never taught, so they don't know how to do it very well These are re: the second part of your comment, others have already addressed the thread you posted
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 02:35 PM
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That's an interesting observation about female bosses. Did they make good professional decisions in a rude way, or just bad decisions overall? I think working out and self socialization is always good, people who do that are attra8 and that's why you're noticing a change Do you mind if I ask where you're from? I get the impression you're not from the US
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 02:28 PM
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I've never thought of it like that. How has this loss of male space impacted you?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/18 11:17 PM
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Unless he's in a group he's known forever, he's quiet and observant and I'm the social buffer
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/18 11:03 PM
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I'm not sure what you mean by the last sentence. Like, women who can't hack it in the female hierarchy turn to exerting their power over men?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/18 08:05 PM
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High value people get the kind of relationships they want, there's no reason to check out. If someone wants something they can't get, it's because they don't measure up in some way
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/18 04:54 PM
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I don't think it's a conscious thing, it's more like people who know how to be successful pass that along to the younger people around them. TRP dudes just never had examples like that growing up so their interpretation of the actions of people around them is skewed. And really the only difference between 'having good social skills' and being 'manipulative' is whether or not the other person feels good after an interaction and its ramifications have played out.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/18 04:05 PM
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K so is your arguement that male hierarchies are harder to climb than female hierarchies, or that the existence of hierarchies is denied by society at large?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/18 03:29 PM
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Kinda, it's just when people take 4x4s to the middle of nowhere and party for a few days. That's our version at least
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/18 01:43 PM
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It's kinda sweet that you think drunk girls are that responsible and manageable... interesting that you're arguing with me about behaviour that I'm intimately familiar with from the woman's perspective. I know girls who go party with pj's in their trunk so they can sleep in the parking lot if they don't find a guy to go home with. Do you think those girls can tell the difference between chad and a hippopotamus at 3 am after they've been drinking for 7 hours?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/18 01:05 PM
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Dude if a girl is drunk enough she has no fucking idea what the guy she's going home with even looks like. There are some girls at the club who will not fuck anyone there, no matter what. There are some girls that will fuck the best they can get. There are zero girls who see a dude and decide to fuck him unless they were already open to casual sex. This convo is about whether women get instantaneously turned on by seeing a hot guy
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/18 04:51 AM
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At a bush party. We'd met before in an environment that wasn't conducive to romantic pursuits, but when drunk me saw him roll up to the bonfire it was game on
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/18 04:39 AM
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Are you talking about the super hot club star girls? Average looking drunk chicks are not going home with the hot guys, that's for sure
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/18 04:27 AM
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I'm saying that women who have casual sex have decided that they're open to said sex before they even meet the dude. And I mean yeah drunk chicks sleep with some pretty unattractive men.. that's kinda the point of the club scene isn't it
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/18 03:43 AM
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I agree
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/18 12:15 AM
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Fascinating. It's crazy how differently people can think
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/18 12:13 AM
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If getting out more means jumping on strange dicks I'll stay in, thanks Seriously though, I dont think 'I'd fuck him' is the same as 'I want him inside me'. And women who are up for one night stands aren't sleeping with a guy because he's omg so desirable that they can't help themselves. They're fucking him because they wanted to fuck someone and he was the first one to meet whatever their standard is
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/18 12:01 AM
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Horny and just wanted a hot guy to take you? Have women you know described it that way to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/18 05:16 PM
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Do you usually not talk to people on Sundays?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/18 05:11 PM
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Having social skills means being to guide interactions and smooth out awkward situations with charm.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/18 04:58 PM
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I've never in my entire life heard of a woman seeing a hot guy and immediately "wanting him inside her". That is not something I've ever experienced or heard women talk about, and it strikes me as incredibly lacking in any sense of self preservation. Normal people don't go around purposely putting themselves in vulnerable positions with strangers
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/18 04:45 PM
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In that case I'm very glad that there's a resource like this available to men who haven't been exposed to self improvement before
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/18 07:30 AM
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So the real red pill is that you need to improve yourself physically and mentally?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/18 01:01 AM
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Trp is kinda like spanx. It can look great from the outside but what happens when you're naked?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/18 12:28 AM
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I wholeheartedly agree that everyone should strive to be the best version of themselves. When I think of TRP I think of the reddit community, I thought all of it is interconnected
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 07:38 PM
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Behaviour is supposed to be a gauge of what is inside someone- trp's insides and the behaviour they are trying to exhibit are mismatched, which some women probably don't mind but to other women it's a huge turnoff
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 06:25 PM
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I'm so confused Isn't the whole point of trp to teach people how to act differently than they do naturally?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 06:12 PM
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I meant doing things that you find scary, not necessarily traveling
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 06:10 PM
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That's awesome, congrats on overcoming your fear and going anyways. It sounds like that's something you could do more of... in my experience, the more willing a person is to put themselves into new situations and experiences, and take risks, the more interesting they become and people gravitate to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 02:24 AM
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Any reading recommendations on the history of leftism in the US?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 02:21 AM
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What's the biggest risk you've taken in the las few months? What have you done lately that you're proud of?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/18 02:17 AM
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It's only annoying to me if I have to be rude in order to end the interaction. If it's a pleasant conversation or he picks up on a gentle rejection and doesn't push it it's fine
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/18 02:23 AM
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Thanks that makes sense
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/18 12:40 AM
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Do you know when/why the meaning diverged?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 11:04 PM
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Oh god same here. My gauge now is "am I nervous? Good". If you're interested in the psychology behind it, it's usually termed 'motivation to avoid failure'
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 09:54 PM
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Oh wow, I would never think that an instagram model would have good advice 😶 how's that for a preconceived notion I love stories like this- like yeah there are lots of stupid people out there but there are also lots of really cool people to learn from
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 09:04 PM
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Man that's awesome, I feel like this is the stuff that really makes a difference for people. Too bad that some people never get there, but at least we get to reap the benefits 😎
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 08:59 PM
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Those sound like really good strategies. Did you figure them out alone through trial and error or did you learn them from someone else? The research coming out now about visualization is fascinating
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 08:28 PM
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It sounds like you're on the right path. Learning to be kind to and accept yourself is the first step
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 08:26 PM
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Thank you for the advice, I'll check that out. My dad learned Russian in school but has forgotten most of it. I think my biggest issue will be finding someone to practice with, I don't know any native speakers around here. As to your previous post- holy shit that sounds awful and must have hurt like hell. I totally get the natural rp stuff, my parents are both from countries near you and my mom fits your description of how women act. She tried to teach me to be like that too, which is a whole di…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 08:20 PM
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I've had the same experiences- it's so important to surround yourself with people you admire or are experts in something you're interested in. People who are coachable and open to learning get way farther than people who stagnate out of complacency or fear. It sounds like you've developed a really good network!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 06:31 PM
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Yes! Most people don't live like that though, they just do whatever is easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 04:35 PM
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Oh wow I'll respond later if that's OK, your perspective and experience is really interesting. My family is from the same general region as you and it was tough having to reconcile what they taught me and what I observed in the world around me Side note, I'm trying to learn Russian- any recommendations for grammar books?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 04:15 PM
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Yep I'm grossed out by that kind of mentality too. Fortunately I don't meet many people like that irl so when I do see one it's like being at the zoo
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 04:02 PM
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I think it's a huge red flag if someone doesn't consider themselves a work in progress!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 03:57 PM
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Ugh yeah, love wrestling but hate some of the training and nutrition stuff now. After I did all my exercise science stuff I realized just how fucked up some of it is. I idolized my coaches so it kinda sucks that they were wrong about so much, but they had good intentions
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 03:53 PM
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Are you content with your life now, or is there something you're working on? I've seen the friendship dynamic you describe play out repeatedly, my mom constantly has the same experience as you. It's really hard to watch her get disappointed again and again. I just try to be a good daughter and hang out with her more frequently
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 03:44 PM
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Awesome. Wrestling is great for the soul.. just a bit rough on the body. Did you end up with any cool injuries?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 03:40 PM
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Ohhh yeah I remember fatpeoplehate. It's interesting how the things we hate the most in ourselves are what we judge people the hardest for. Human nature is a bitch, but also pretty useful
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 03:37 PM
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I totally get that, I struggled with the same thing too. It felt safer to sit back and let others handle difficult things, but that's not a good way to live. Youth wrestling is awesome- so much fun. Wrestling was actually one of the things that really helped me learn how to step up and put in work. I take it you wrestled in school? It should seriously be mandatory for everyone
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 03:33 PM
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Yeah I agree, it was mental stuff I had to work on. Obviously I don't know what it is like to be a man, but personally I was always drawn to men who had a deep rooted knowledge of themselves and high standards for a partner, so that's what I had to develop in myself in order to get men like that interested in me. Birds of a feather and all that What have your experiences been like?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 03:25 PM
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I have lots, but my biggest one was probably fear. I was afraid of failing, of being used/hurt, of hard decisions and life in general. Eventually I realized I couldn't have the kind of life I wanted if I continued to avoid things or situations that made me uncomfortable, so I started going out of my way to challenge myself and get comfortable with failing. My personality is much more stable now, I don't feel the need to posture to prove myself and I'm not constantly dwelling on the worst case sc…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 03:20 PM
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I decided to not be the kind of person who relies on other people to handle life things for them, or was a burden on them. For example I don't ask anyone (including fiance) to do things for me that I could just as easily do for myself. It seems like a small thing, but it's really irritating when someone thinks their time is worth so much more than yours. I also realized my base instinct was to avoid letting people see me fail at anything, so I decided to put myself in physically and psychologica…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 02:55 PM
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This is 100% what every man needs to understand, especially if he's looking for someone he can have a non-shitshow relationship with
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 02:41 PM
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I dated multiple men at a time, when I met a new one I liked better than one of the existing ones I'd cycle him in. I'd stop seeing anyone who showed personality traits that were a dealbreaker, and when I met someone I was seriously into I'd stop seeing others while we figured out if a relationship would work. I was upfront from the beginning that I was in it to get to know them not to get laid, and never had issues with them sleeping with other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 02:35 PM
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They didn't appear out of nowhere. The whole point of dating was to find one. Of course, that meant that I also had to be the kind of person that they would want to date. I put lots of effort into being an asset and not a burden to my future partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 01:51 PM
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I'd be super interested in a post about everyone's biggest character flaw and how they overcame it.. do you think that would get responses?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 01:08 PM
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If you're curious about what getting my shit together entailed, you're welcome to ask.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 12:54 PM
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I recommend reading Scientific Principles of Strength Training by Mike Israetel and writing your own routine
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 06:08 AM
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Oh yeah that makes total sense. Much less dramatic than the picture my imagination painted lol. I can see how options are a bit lower on the priority list
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 06:03 AM
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Yeah I was never down with casual. Totally get that it works for others, I'm just not wired that way
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 05:54 AM
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That's fair. Is it sort of like you want options, but the kind of options who would take future you over now you? I dunno if that makes any sense
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 05:53 AM
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Do you want plates?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 05:46 AM
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I understand that there are women who choose to do that. I find it gross and trashy and judge them for it. And no I didn't - I always always went out of my way to make sure no one would feel like I'd owe them something. I'd purposely pay for for both of us if we were friends, or buy the next round etc so there would be zero confusion. And accepting drinks from strangers was always a hard no- if someone wanted my number they had to do it through conversation and making a good impression.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 05:43 AM
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Indeed it is
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 05:40 AM
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Oh man it was great, I had a whole dating system that was basically the female equivalent of plates
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 05:39 AM
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I judge people by appearance all the time too. Haircut, skin quality, posture, how their clothes fit, whether they make eye contact, are they twitchy, are they fit, do they keep their eyebrows under control.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 05:33 AM
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I think you're exactly right. They also want to be able to manipulate women without actually understanding human nature, which hilariously enough just makes them easier to manipulate
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 05:30 AM
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Huh that's interesting. Do you feel like giving any examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 05:24 AM
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I was just kinda sad that I didn't meet guys my age who shared my values. Never had the urge to sleep with a stranger though, I mostly just wished I had someone beside me to cuddle up against. I think it was total shutdown for those 2 years, I didn't really start dating till I was 20 but by then I had my shit together and was a force to be reckoned with
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 05:23 AM
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Yeah I totally agree. Try to play the game and if you lose to a better player, learn from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 05:10 AM
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I can network with people without fucking them just fine. Bartering sex for material gain is not something that fits with my values.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 05:08 AM
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Are you talking about epigenetics or saying that pretty people have better personalities?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 05:05 AM
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2 years, because I didn't meet anyone I wanted to sleep with.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 05:03 AM
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One scenario among many is that some people are carefully shown from an early age that you should judge people by their character and not the physical features they were born with or how expensive their car is. If you were raised this way, you genuinely believe that integrity and character matter. Another possibility is that people feel awkward telling a friend or aquaintance the truth about why they fail repeatedly, or don't want to stir up drama/hurt their feelings so they placate them with so…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 04:59 AM
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I'm starting to agree with you
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 04:45 AM
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Spot on
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 04:39 AM
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It's also impossible to tell whether you're interacting with a person who genuinely holds the beliefs they advertise, or whether it's someone with an agenda pushing a narrative for gain
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 04:35 AM
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I like your flair
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 10:07 PM
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They are trp and mgtow precisely because they struggle with relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 09:54 PM
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Every rejection a trp man experiences is the result of a woman not falling for a player
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 09:48 PM
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That's an interesting way to look at it. Personally I'd only be insecure in my relationship if I didn't trust my partner, in which case it would be a major signal that we have some work to do. But I trust him and his intentions completely therefore I have no reason to be insecure I think we end up with the same result via different thought processes
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 09:44 PM
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Good post. To what degree do you think insecurity is biologically determined?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 08:44 PM
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Two secure people who each want to be the best version of themselves also prevents complacency. Same results, different motivations
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 08:20 PM
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Your description of sex with a stranger made me laugh, well said
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 08:05 PM
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My idea of a secure woman is one who went through a process of self examination, is aware of her personal shortcomings, and made an effort to become a better person for her own sake and that of the people around her. (Same goes for a man- you can't be secure unless you bridge the gap between who you are now and who you have to be to live the life you want). An insecure woman would be the opposite- one who doesn't feel comfortable facing the world relying on her own merit. She doesn't have a stro…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 07:51 PM
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I personally believe nurture is important enough to be considered in every case, and a working understanding of human variance is an asset when trying to get something from someone. My social experiences have only reinforced the efficacy of working on a case by case basis- maybe the people around you and other rp advocates are just more homogeneous in their experiences and values.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 07:02 PM
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Well shit. Now I'm gonna have to go tell my successful short friends that their existence is a lie because maybe-people on the internet said so 😔
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 06:26 PM
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Yeah bro, every person who wins a powerlifting meet or a race or an amateur fight is rich af. Totally
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 05:57 PM
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Now I'm wondering what percentage of rp has BPD, I remember learning something about BPD being highly correlated with codependency
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 05:05 PM
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Just out of curiosity, which countries and what kind of backgrounds did the women have?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 04:51 PM
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Yeah that's pretty much how it works. I do know of groups where people hook up casually with each other with no repercussions but that requires a certain kind of attitude and dynamic
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 04:29 PM
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In which case the parents should have recognized that the kid is stupid and made sure he had extra help at a young age. Like, what parent looks at their kid and goes "oh yeah thats gonna be an issue for him later, I'm not gonna do anything to correct it though"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 04:08 PM
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I know of one maybe-false accusation and it was the exact scenario your last paragraph described.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 04:02 PM
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It's the job of parents and education to fill in the gaps when someone isn't "naturally" good at something. Like, that's the entire point of both of those concepts
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 03:49 PM
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Very few people had an ideal early life, not because their parents didn't love them but because they didn't know how important certain things are during the early years when a child is realizing they are an entity unto themselves and start establishing a sense of self Many well meaning but stressed out parents interrupt the process or just don't have the time to help the kid
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 03:38 PM
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It's the duty of a parent to do anything and everything necessary to ensure your child has all the tools they need to be successful in life. If a healthy kid grows up to have poor social skills, that's on the parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 03:33 PM
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Whoa that's a cool combination. There's a lot to be said for a well rounded education I read a comment a while back where an cs student was complaining about having to take electives, he said intro to philosophy was unnecessary because he'd never have to use critical thinking skills in real life.. I think that encapsulates trps problem
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 03:26 PM
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That's the spirit!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 03:18 PM
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The whole thing is entertaining and tragic at the same time. Thank god this isn't real life Anthropology is cool, I took a couple of classes as electives. What did you end up doing with your degree?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 03:15 PM
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They had parents who didn't teach them about social behaviors or socialize them properly, and they aren't clever enough to make up for that deficit through observation and information gathering
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 03:06 PM
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I think we just approach the issue with different strategies -trp works when the target is susceptible to the given strategy, but it's more efficient to be able to tailor your strategy to a specific target. I've never seen trp talk about that, if you have and could point me to a link I'd be interested in reading it
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 03:02 PM
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Ha that's a perfect description. So true about the fucked up culture, I think they're well past the point of no return now
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 02:55 PM
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Might be because when normal people teach their children to be respectful they use the term "everyone"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 02:50 PM
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I completely agree. It seems to me that this whole issue exists because of shitty parenting and shitty education
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 02:43 PM
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It seems more like trp allows them to feel like they're gaining control of the situation without forcing them to look at the cracks in their own psyche. It's a lot easier to say "awalt" than to say "these are the demons holding me back from the kind of life I want, I'm going to chip away at them for my own sake"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 02:40 PM
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That is good advice but still limited in that if biology is assumed to be the root of behaviour, they won't be able to manipulate women very well. Getting what you want out of another person requires a scalpel and a delicate touch, trp is a baseball bat wielded by a gorilla
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 02:35 PM
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I'm from a land where short men who do cool things and win a bunch of shit and go party after pull better than tall guys who suck. Doesn't sound like you'd fit in well
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 02:29 PM
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What degree in university? if you say STEM I can tell you what the problem is
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 02:21 PM
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Maybe that's how it works in your world. That's cool
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 02:18 PM
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How does a hypothetical tragedy relate to the role of parents in teaching social skills to their children?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 05:24 AM
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That lines up with my personal experience and that of my friends. We all had parents who drilled it into us that many men would pursue us for sex, and we needed to be very discriminating in who we chose to sleep with.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 05:16 AM
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Trying to catch someone you don't know well in a lie like that is hard.. I just got a feel for their personality and stopped seeing them if it wasn't a good match
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 05:14 AM
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Thats my conclusion too Is there ever a distinction made between women with secure and insecure attachment styles? Does trp have tips on how to do well with the former?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 05:00 AM
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You're kidding yeah?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 04:56 AM
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Of course you can - among other things, you showcase good social skills at home, teach the kid about what certain cues mean and how to interpret subtext, and constantly put them in situations where they're having to practice their social skills. People have been doing this for thousands of years And yeah issues in otherwise healthy late teens/early 20s ppl stems from parents who didn't know better or didn't care. If the kid is clever enough to figure out the shit they were never taught they'll b…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 04:53 AM
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And how is this knowledge reflected in their approach to dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 04:47 AM
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It's the parent's job to prepare their child to effectively deal with the world- allowing a kid to grow up without developing social skills is not good parenting
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 04:44 AM
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I figured if I wasn't fucking him it wasn't fair to try to keep him from getting it elsewhere. Plus that early in he'd probably just lie about it to placate me.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 04:39 AM
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Raising an incel would mean you're a catastrophic failure of a parent, if the child is neurologically normal
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 04:37 AM
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I agree that many men are ending up socially maladapted- where trp loses me is they blame male issues on social conditioning but when it comes to maladapted women, they blame it on biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 04:29 AM
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I don't understand how anyone, man or woman, could be in a happy relationship and somehow still think they are dating down. If you love someone and they in turn make you feel loved, you both feel like you won the lottery. There's no concept of "dating down"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 04:24 AM
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Dating is absolutely a game, but that doesn't mean everyone is playing the same one. Trp teaches one very limited game that only works on people playing by the same rules
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 04:20 AM
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I agree completely. I also think there are many other less treacherous paths one could take to develop the same or better skills that are not tied to an Internet community full of anonymous people, many of whom have their own motives and are unlikely to be benevolent.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 04:18 AM
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Bio/evo "truth" is not compatible with literature that shows attachment styles are influenced by early childhood experiences. Unless you're saying AWALT means "all women who had suboptimal parents and were not given the opportunity to develop strong bonds and feel safe and secure with their caregivers are like that"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 04:16 AM
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There's a pretty big difference between TRP and the actual literature on human development, attachment styles, and codependency. RP would be familiar with the latter if they didn't scoff at non-STEM disciplines.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 04:01 AM
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Yeah. Living like that sounds exhausting
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 03:44 AM
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That kinda supports the OP- the reason they need trp to tell them that stuff in the first place is because they struggle with codependency
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 03:42 AM
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It's not depressing, it's a crucial part of being human and interacting successfully with other humans. I need to know how shady people play the game if I want to avoid them
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 02:24 AM
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Yep that's the ticket. If you can figure out what someone wants and make them think they'll get it from you, you've got them hooked. That's what trp should teach, not this bio evo bullshit
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 02:12 AM
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She reflected back onto you an image of what you wanted to see of yourself. What qualities did she embody that impressed you and made you think she'd be an asset to your life?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 01:51 AM
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What was it about your ex wife that made you think she was better than the rest?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 01:35 AM
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I think fucked up people all had parents who didn't teach them how to navigate the world, they just developed different coping mechanisms along the way
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 01:34 AM
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I know lots of people that rp would consider to be "chad" or "stacy" and they're glittery on the outside but pretty fucked up on the inside. I assume the nice guys are mostly just victims of a very poor social education because they didn't have family or adults around them to teach them how to do life and weren't precocious enough to figure it out themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 01:19 AM
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While there are surely lots of idiotic women out there, there are also plenty who have the life and partner they want. You'll just never hear from them online
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 01:11 AM
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White americans. I think they're just totally insulated from reality so it's a surprise when they experience it
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 01:00 AM
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Do you think the Internet accurately reflects all of society, or just a portion of it?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 12:54 AM
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That's all true. Plus very few people know how to embody those things unless they are show how to do so, and parents aren't going to be teaching their kids to do things they themselves can't
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 12:11 AM
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Where would Machiavellian philosophy not apply?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/18 11:48 PM
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I never cared if a man I was casually dating slept with other women as long as his behaviour towards me met my standards. The switch from casually dating to seriously dating was when we'd discuss monogamy and expectations
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/18 10:43 PM
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Trp teaches men how to gain the upper hand within a very narrow scenario. It's like aikido- useful if your opponent responds in a certain way, useless if your opponent has a different playbook. It might work with a lot of American women, but they take that and root it in biology rather than current American culture and values.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/18 09:31 PM
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Methodology and sample size makes a big difference, as does having a firm grasp of various philosophies pertaining to human nature. I'm not saying trp can't be useful in dealing with the people it applies to, I'm saying it doesn't apply to everyone to the extent that is advertised.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/18 05:59 PM
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I think a couple of them make decent money from their blogs and stuff, but I'd guess they're also in it for internet validation
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/18 03:56 PM
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The entire thing is one large theoretical flaw, considering that they entirely ignore the vast amount of existing academic work on the subject of interpersonal dynamics.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/18 03:53 PM
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Right, which means it has nothing to do with biology of males or females and everything to do with power dynamics and human nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/18 03:51 PM
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John Bolwby's work is also very interesting, and set the foundation for attachment theory as it's taught today. What I always found interesting when reading about Harlow's isolation experiment is that we have groups of young people voluntarily isolating themselves from their community via technology. They're reproducing the same experiment with the same results in the middle of society
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/18 03:44 PM
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The behavioural patterns of the people around a young child have a huge influence on that child's future. If you want to read about it look for attachment theory My idea of what is attractive was to a great extent formed by the values I was taught- it has to be baseline physical attraction plus attractive values/personality. Acting on an attraction that's physical only is a completely foreign concept to me
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/18 03:22 PM
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Not skanks and bimbos- women with parents that didn't model good relationships or instill them with a sense of integrity and self respect, or teach them to expect the same from anyone they commit to in the future
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/18 04:54 AM
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I think men and women are equally capable of being good and shitty. Just depends on what they learned and their environment. Esther Vilar's books may describe many women and their tactics, but I'd bet money that all of those women have common threads in their upbringings and/or personalities.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/18 04:46 AM
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The unicorn analogy is dumb. Its like arguing about the existence of snow with someone who lives in the tropics Sucks about your wife though. All you can do now is teach your kids to choose better partners
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/18 04:32 AM
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I'm not saying that there aren't a bunch of otherwise smart people who are completely brain dead when it comes to relationships- there are millions. I'm saying that there are also people who believe that locking down one rock solid, capable man with self respect is worth it- the caveat is that that man has standards and will not commit to someone who's treated their past relationships as disposable. Sounds like your ex was people dumb and you went along for the ride
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/18 04:28 AM
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Mine are just right. I'd consider my friend's standards low since I wouldn't date any of their men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/18 04:16 AM
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Being attracted to someone can be biology or learned. I'd argue it's a combination. Furthermore, even if being attracted initially is entirely biological, choosing whether or not to act on the attraction is a decision everyone has to make on a case by case basis.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/18 02:30 AM
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Well that's interesting
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/18 01:15 AM
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Stupid women, yeah. If she's smart she realizes that in order for her to have long term love and trust she needs to behave in a manner that facilitates that. She's going to get a hell of a lot more from one man who knows she has been rock solid beside him than from a man who knows she's jumped ship before.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/18 01:02 AM
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So gross. I'd bet those guys don't even believe the shit they spout, they're just taking advantage of gullible stemlords
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/18 12:50 AM
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And yet Machiavelli was a man 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/18 12:47 AM
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If woman A wants to get the richest man possible, and woman B wants the best personality match to ensure long term relationship harmony, which strategy is the biologically driven one?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/18 12:45 AM
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I ditched all the guys that pulled game or RP type behaviour with me, before I even knew what RP was. Huge turnoff
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/18 12:13 AM
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Very useful. My academic background is all "liberal arts" but I've come to the exact same conclusions as you. I find it pretty cool that completely different paths can lead us to the same place, and makes me even more sure that the majority of people are completely and utterly lost
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/18 12:05 AM
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The biggest issue with rp theory is their little celebrities who monetize shit and have a vested interest in being the only font of wisdom. Like, these guys need to go read some old books and learn how to fucking think for themselves instead of being spoonfed bullshit on the internet
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/18 11:51 PM
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That's always been my only interest. 19-23 was dating guys to find the best long term partner, 23+ has been building an awesome life together Edit I definitely think it has more to do with upbringing and learned values than biology
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/18 11:46 PM
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Your comments are great. Thanks for taking the time to write them
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/18 11:42 PM
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If a woman's impulse is to find a partner she can trust and love for life, she's not going to fuck around with rp types in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/18 11:40 PM
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This seems to be the elephant in the room everyone skirts around
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/18 11:30 PM
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I know that happens but I don't know if that type of default friendship counts as a close bond.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/18 10:38 PM
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I think that's basically the source of this entire mess tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/18 08:22 PM
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Why would they pursue either of those things, considering how much the American cultural psyche idolizes individualism and the aquisition of wealth? If you want internally motivated and community oriented adults, you better start teaching them about ethics and morals and values as toddlers, and keep it up through their school careers. The death of the classical education kinda put an end to that idea though didn't it
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/18 07:51 PM
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It's not news to anyone that American culture and values are fucked up. This whole gender war thing is just a symptom of way bigger problems
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/18 07:24 PM
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Like pleasant to be around, opens my eyes to new experiences/ways of thinking, controls their negative traits so they're not dragging me down. Basically if my day is better or I'm happier after seeing them than I was before, they have added value to my life
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/18 07:14 PM
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Combination of both, they feed into each other and create a self perpetuating loop
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/18 07:11 PM
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3 strikes per relationship/friendship seems reasonable to me. Sticking around for more abuse is not something well functioning humans do
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/18 04:15 PM
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My claim is that people who stay in situations where they are manipulated are defective.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/18 04:05 PM
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Sounds like a social/cultural issue in your area, women raised to be selfish and materialistic plus men raised to be docile and productive
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/18 03:52 PM
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What are you even arguing? That the girl should be excused for being with an abusive guy cuz she's young and naive? That the nice guy should be excused for sitting around waiting for her? If someone is in a bad situation and they don't remove themselves, they are defective. They can get less defective in the future if they learn and change, but before that they are defective as fuck
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/18 03:49 PM
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Of course they're not atypical, everyone gets manipulated and treated badly at some point, the difference is how they deal with it. Above average not idiotic people get manipulated too, but the ones who are smart ditch the situation and learn from it so it doesn't happen again. The ones who don't leave are somehow fucked in the head, and healthy people don't pursue fucked in the head people. They get to stay in the corner and play with each other
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/18 03:37 PM
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Because they're defective as fuck
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/18 03:28 PM
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You need to learn about human nature and socialization patterns...like, from a textbook, cuz you don't know how to interpret or respond to stuff irl. You sound about as savvy as little red riding hood
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/18 03:26 PM
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On what planet do people form close bonds with people who don't add any kind of value to their life? Where tf did this idea come from that there doesn't have to be done kind of positive association in order for someone to invest time in you? Dude, the only people who latch on to someone who isn't already an asset do it because you can be easily used, then you're gonna end up being all sad and broken inside. You NEED to be with people who have standards in order to have a reciprocal relationship,…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/18 03:17 PM
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I can't remember the last time I heard misogynist or feminist/m used in conversation and I talk to a lot of chicks.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/18 03:00 PM
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Human socialisation sounds dangerously close to socialism, maybe that's why they avoid it at all costs
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/18 02:56 PM
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1 . If a man eats like shit, doesn't lift, has a screwed up sleep pattern, and doesn't compete, he's gonna have suboptimal test levels. If you don't do the shit that stimulates test production, your body won't produce much. 2 . Test makes men take risks, seek attention, have higher self esteem, and be more competitive. Low testosterone seems to be linked to negative mental health issues like depression. You could have found all this in a textbook or on Google scholar. 3 . Sex is most important i…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/18 07:20 AM
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So what? The chick that's complaining about her bf to another guy is a manipulative jackass and the "friend" should remove himself from the situation cuz he's wasting his time
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/18 05:42 AM
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There's a huge difference between girls who ditch the asshole when he pulls that shit and ones who stick around but complain about him
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/18 03:49 AM
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They have to be brainwashed. People with a self of dignity and self respect put demands on society that are too high to be acceptable People need to have low standards so they just plod along in their lane
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/18 02:09 AM
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It's mostly social skills. People who 'get it' form friendly relationships easily and with a variety of people, they keep meeting new people naturally while they're doing their thing with friends. Over time as they get to know each other better there can be mutual feelings and everyone is happy The weird shit happens when a dude zeros in on one specific girl to the exclusion of everyone else and then makes all kinds of social blunders as he tries to make her see him as dateable
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/18 01:54 AM
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Isn't the US already a winner take all society?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/18 01:50 AM
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Why does it matter? People manipulate each other constantly, some are just better at it than others. The nice guys and the sex-as-bait chicks are all just really bad at it and end up in a loop of failed relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/18 01:35 AM
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He should be saying, "wow this chick is cleary unstable, I'm gonna get the fuck outta here and go find people who have their shit together"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/18 01:31 AM
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For me personally it's either we're both all in or we're not in a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/18 04:59 AM
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What possible motivation would I have to fuck someone who I don't find attractive, and what use is someone I don't respect? Sounds like dead weight, not a good addition to my life
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/18 04:48 AM
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Because men who have that little self respect are incredibly unattractive
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/18 03:34 AM
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Have you ever considered the possibility that some women aren't interested in one sided relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/18 02:54 AM
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Yep definitely- if they're smart they'll pick up some pointers, hopefully
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 10:53 PM
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At least they're out doing something
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 10:42 PM
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Go find a salsa class
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 09:44 PM
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I'd say you're good. Probably a better thinker than a lot of people too
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 08:18 PM
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The only way it would be unethical is if she didn't have the capacity to consent/make an informed decision. Even then you could argue the potential lack of ethics is outweighed by the provision of comfort and security
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 08:09 PM
1

Bravo
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 07:55 PM
2

That sounds pragmatic as hell. Ensure her loyalty by giving her stability she couldn't get anywhere else... clever
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 07:51 PM
3

It's not that they don't live in reality, they just have a different reality due to upbringing and the types of people and ideas they were exposed to as children.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 07:26 PM
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Men should be okay with it if they have also fucked up and learned how to be better. If he started as a shitty person and matured over time, he's a hypocrite if he expects a woman who was born perfect. People who have high standards and also hold themselves to high standards from the start find each other and aren't even part of the world you're taking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 07:22 PM
2

I think it's because their world has moved away from classical education and there isn't value placed on learning how to think, so the world is confusing and they don't have the skills to navigate it. This makes them perfect targets for manipulative selfish people so they have bad experiences and get angry, and trp is simple enough for them to understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 05:05 PM
2

I had a guy use a $100 bill to buy me a bottle of water at a club once. Red flag city
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 04:57 PM
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Yep. People who are used to handling and having lots of money behave very differently from people who don't have a lot of money but want people to think they do. Kinda like genuinely high status men and men who want people to think they're high status
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 04:54 PM
3

If he's flashing too much cash, he's either terrible with money, low class/trying to buy status, or a drug dealer
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 04:05 PM
3

Anyone who is happy in their relationship/s is a discerning buyer. If someone is desperate to sell, they're gonna get taken advantage of.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 03:45 PM
2

In my experience, older guys date young women because they're hot and easier to placate/bullshit, which can be a very appealing combination. Depending on their social circle, it can be a plus or minus for their status in the group
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 03:19 PM
3

It's from the Wheel of Time series, they're basically Machiavellian witches. People can distinguish them from normal women by their ageless faces
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 02:06 PM
5

You're an Aes Sedai, clearly
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 03:56 AM
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