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GeneralPlatinumBeetle/r/MensRights12/12/23 02:42 PM
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Will do. The bare facts are more powerful than any argument.
/r/MensRights13/12/23 12:01 AM
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Thank you both. I will give it a try.
/r/MensRights12/12/23 11:23 PM
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Actually there is an island where men are not allowed to pursue women and if a woman pursues him he has no choice but to marry her. Traditionally.
/r/MensRights30/11/20 12:59 AM
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Feminists =/= Women.
/r/MensRights22/04/20 08:46 PM
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"and only for ourselves. You have enough good stuff already."
/r/MensRights22/04/20 08:35 PM
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I disagree. While many of the most vital jobs in terms of infrastructure are done primarily by men there are a number of essential jobs that are more likely done by women. While I don't really consider teachers or social scientists essential what about nurses? There aren't enough doctors to run whole hospitals by themselves even if they know everything to do and it's hard to say medical care isn't essential.
/r/MensRights22/04/20 08:28 PM
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consensual sex Please stop talking to me until you understand sex leads to babies.
/r/MensRights22/04/20 03:53 PM
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Really? What about a woman trapping a man in pregnancy through contraception fraud? I suppose sexual fraud can greatly increase the chances of parenthood without the victim's knowledge. I concede your point. There are many cases in which the man may not want to become a parent, while the woman does, which ends up forcing him to become one against his will, based on HER decision. I said female on male rape exists. Fuck off with excusing state-enforced slavery. What you are talking about isn't par…
/r/MensRights22/04/20 03:38 PM
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The only people forced into parenthood are rape victims and false paternity victims. Other people make choices and either accept their responsibility for them or try to escape the natural consequences.
/r/MensRights22/04/20 03:27 PM
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I see.
/r/MensRights22/04/20 12:52 PM
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I don't really see how this is equivalent. It's about specific people rather than the sexes in general.
/r/MensRights22/04/20 11:51 AM
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I'm glad you get time with your children again and have found someone who truly loves you. And thank you for sharing. Lots of men on this sub feel hopeless, but you pulled through and have shown that getting some measure of justice is possible and finding a woman who will love you for yourself is too. Makes me feel better at least.
/r/MensRights22/04/20 11:21 AM
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Then thanks for being awesome.
/r/MensRights22/04/20 11:06 AM
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In context what is the difference? Pretty sure if he sexually assaulted a man it was by grabbing his junk.
/r/MensRights22/04/20 10:48 AM
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Not according to the feminists. Read the quote, their argument is that women should be exempt from the draft because by getting pregnant, giving birth, and nursing they already serve their nation.
/r/MensRights22/04/20 10:37 AM
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:( I'm sorry. I get upset because other males are awful sometimes. I can't imagine having hatred by your sex towards the other be so socially acceptable. I would think it would feel horrible for good women like you to know you can't stop it. You have my sympathy ma'am.
/r/MensRights22/04/20 10:35 AM
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I would actually sort of accept this argument if not for legal abortion and safe haven laws. Feminists support those things though, so they have no right to this viewpoint. They specifically believe women should not have to contribute to their family and society like this, even if it's the natural result of their own voluntary sexual decisions. To say men should be forced to do something they played no part in deciding because of their sex differences but women shouldn't be forced to do somethin…
/r/MensRights22/04/20 10:19 AM
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Good. Let them start by banning urinals. Which will give men more privacy and interact with the new gender neutral bathroom laws based on number of toilets to give men their own bathrooms again. Use the misandry for our equality.
/r/MensRights22/04/20 10:03 AM
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It looks like what they want from men is love. So we're not very different from each other then.
/r/MensRights22/04/20 09:47 AM
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And in context dick should be the plural dicks.
/r/MensRights22/04/20 02:25 AM
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I thought it was funny, a bit. And I understand the comparison. Idk why we have humor here though.
/r/MensRights22/04/20 02:24 AM
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Female supremacism, not misandry. This quote is chauvinism, not hatred. Let's not water down the word misandry like feminists have with misogyny. Save it for hate.
/r/MensRights22/04/20 02:17 AM
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So? What business of ours is it if he wants to pose for someone taking pictures?
/r/MensRights22/04/20 02:14 AM
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Not anymore. That was my point.
/r/MensRights22/04/20 01:41 AM
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But a physical sign you can buy?
/r/MensRights22/04/20 01:26 AM
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Could you link one then?
/r/MensRights22/04/20 01:02 AM
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Thanks, you too.
/r/MensRights21/04/20 10:50 PM
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No assault is depicted, and the activities and attitudes displayed are both legal. Even having them on a sign like this in public is technically legal by written law thanks to the 1st Amendment (assuming this was in the United States) although we all know it is not enforced fairly. Maybe the vague obscenity laws could render it illegal, but only if the majority of people can be plausibly thought to consider it offensive or something. What's shown here is a sign promoting femdom pet play BDSM, al…
/r/MensRights21/04/20 10:46 PM
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Which would still be more respectful than this from what I understand.
/r/MensRights21/04/20 10:35 PM
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How is it illegal?
/r/MensRights21/04/20 10:34 PM
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I would make a good pet. But not for a chick who wants to rule me. In me a virtuous woman could have a loyal husband, a considerate leader, an intelligent adviser, an affectionate lover, a close friend, a good father for her children, and yes, a submissive sex slave when she wants (which I hope is often). The kind of woman who wants to dominate or control a man out of some misplaced sense of grievance or entitled sense of empowerment will never get to put a collar on me.
/r/MensRights21/04/20 09:47 PM
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I don't believe climate change should be a priority. I think that's a complete red herring. Not because it isn't true, but because the solutions presented so far have either been too crippling or too asinine to consider seriously. I think you may enjoy this series of articles from Holistic Politics: https://www.holisticpolitics.org/GlobalWarming/
/r/MensRights21/04/20 04:49 PM
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Women used to be expected to help men too, in different ways but still. Especially their family, just like with men and theirs. Then feminism kept happening.
/r/MensRights21/04/20 01:20 PM
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Losing weight can be easier or harder for different people even with the same diet and exercise. People have different metabolisms. In addition to genetics some medications can effect your metabolism, I went through that. Real action definitely needs to be taken to address our public health on the issue of obesity but shaming is not going to solve the problem because much of it has to do with institutional issues of how our lives are ordered. Too much driving and not enough walking, sweetners in…
/r/MensRights21/04/20 01:13 PM
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That doesn’t translate to “40% of women are rapists" Okay, over 40% of rapists are women. Happy now? Or do we have to be specific enough that we say 43%? Or even 43.6? Or do we round up to the nearest percent at 44%? Why is even more women being rapists than what was said good for your argument anyway?
/r/MensRights21/04/20 12:49 PM
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We could decrease the conflict between different voters by switching to a better voting system. https://rangevoting.org/ It wouldn't solve the problem but it could possibly make it less bad, buying more time and creating more space for other solutions.
/r/MensRights21/04/20 12:33 PM
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If men are raped more we are raped more, if we are raped less we are raped less. I have a hard time fully understanding the different interpretations of statistics I read here, it seems determining which group is raped more often is more complex than I would have thought. The important thing is to understand that neither sex is raped by the other drastically more than the reverse and that either sex can be victims or perpetrators and often are.
/r/MensRights20/04/20 11:07 PM
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She pisses me off. 86% of men don't want to be involved in their children's lives? She's painting us as sociopaths.
/r/MensRights20/04/20 11:00 PM
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And what is the alternate strategy towards a society that is reasonably fair to us as a group that you propose?
/r/MensRights20/04/20 10:53 PM
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I don't like political parties (or the focus on candidates either really). I'd rather discuss the merits of different policies than play team sports with society's development. That said I identity more with conversatism as many progressives effectively hate me for both my involuntary characteristics and my religious beliefs. I basically hate the Republican party but seem to have little choice if I am to be a voter since our plurality voting system makes voting for the best candidate counterprod…
/r/MensRights20/04/20 05:13 PM
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Thank you. I dont think things are better now but I did go on to get my GED. I was bullied because I'm autistic but I'm also gifted so I didn't need school to learn as much as a lot of people do. The only major problems that come from not going to school are a lack of normal socialization making it even harder to relate to most people than being autistic alone does and not having things drilled into me which means I've forgotten a lot of things easier than I would have. The first point is exaspe…
/r/MensRights20/04/20 04:35 PM
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Oh, yeah. Sorry for being provincial. I am American and my assessment is primarily of American culture. I'm not familiar enough with other countries to evaluate broad cultural trends over time like this for them. The last part is me expressing my belief that many of the mental capabilities or characteristics people call maturity are the result of experience and dealing with reasonable consequences. I don't think young people get as much chance to learn and grow in natural ways anymore so they do…
/r/MensRights20/04/20 04:21 PM
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I think maybe girls mature faster than boys on average these days: Physically, because that's just how biology works and always has. Emotionally, because they are not discouraged from having them and encouraged to express them. Intellectually, because intellectual development in our society is tied to an educational system which is significantly less harmful to girls. Practically, because concern for girls future as adults is exhibited from a relatively very early age. Socially, because girls ar…
/r/MensRights20/04/20 03:38 PM
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I agree. The left is worse than the right, even if both are often bad. It's like the prevalence and intensity of sexism towards men and women in contemporary society: if you look at a lot of things they are comparable, but if you look at the worst things it's clear that one is drastically worse in a lot more ways than the other would ever think of being than the other way around, but few people notice because today the one side has sympathy by default and the other has to earn it. I wish the lef…
/r/MensRights20/04/20 03:11 PM
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To me emotional cheating sounds too vague to avoid if you have any close female friends while sexual cheating is something you will know if you are doing or not and if a man accuses you of it you can at least be sure of what he means.
/r/MensRights20/04/20 02:49 PM
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What age is 8th grade? I don't remember as I was kicked out of the public school system before the end of my first year of middle school basically for being bullied. Remembering roughly which age each grade corresponds to is difficult for me to recall as I never really learned it firsthand.
/r/MensRights20/04/20 02:29 PM
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The problem with that view is that in all likelihood both people have both kinds of need even if the extent of their need is different. I'm sure on average the man will have more immediate need of sex and the woman will have more immediate need of emotional support. The trends seem to suggest that idea, but it's just an average. More sensitive guys, tougher girls, guys with lower libidos, and girls with higher libidos are all probably fairly common. It's best entering a relationship prepared to …
/r/MensRights20/04/20 02:24 PM
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That sounds like a law that incentivizes women to abort when the father wants the child and she doesn't if she can't give him custody without paying child support.
/r/MensRights20/04/20 09:49 AM
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Try The Real Sexism Project. It's a website with a decent number of statistics with links to sources.
/r/MensRights20/04/20 09:05 AM
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Weird thing is he's been very emotional in this whole conversation and doesn't even realize it because he associates emotions with vulnerability.
/r/MensRights20/04/20 07:38 AM
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"My girlfriend told me she got raped before we knew each other and then she cried and stuff, how can I leave her and still look good?" This is an extreme example of the empathy gap. No sane man would ask this in a public space online. What kind of response did she get?
/r/MensRights20/04/20 07:23 AM
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Whether she is right or not depends entirely on how broadly you define sexism. But to rationally think the majority of men are sexist towards women you basically have to think the majority of women are sexist towards men too if you are fair.
/r/MensRights20/04/20 06:36 AM
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I want less hatred and hypocrisy too. So of course I'm against feminism. Does that mean it's okay to hate feminists or be hypocritical towards them? Very much not. I'm sure I have publicly done so some on here though. It's hard not to be bitter with how feminism has consistently opposed me having legal rights or social regard in ways they would consider gendered hatred if done to women instead of men. And that's really putting things mildly. I want full legal and basic social equality for men. T…
/r/MensRights20/04/20 05:21 AM
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The last part is about personality differences and they are statistical rather than universal but there do seem to be biological factors, there are potentially positive and potentially negative characteristics associated with both sexes and what functions in a positive or negative way depends a lot on the social context and the interaction between different characteristics. But I don't fit in well as a male in a lot of ways and people painting men as all the same is bad enough, demonizing or deh…
/r/MensRights20/04/20 12:40 AM
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Why?
/r/MensRights19/04/20 11:11 PM
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All the discussion of male disposability and evolutionary psychology and new world order female supremacist fiction and learning about sexual development and people saying men don't get pregnant so their contribution is effectively irrelevant when debating abortion and feminists saying so many things are innate to women if good and men if bad has given me a complex set of negative emotions. I think I almost constantly feel slightly biologically inferior now.
/r/MensRights19/04/20 11:08 PM
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I think "freed women from their role" is an oversimplification too though. Freedom implies choice, and having a new option open if the old option closes isn't an increase. It's actually significantly harder for a woman to get the position she would have had in the fifties now. The average man can't afford to support a wife and children on his own anymore so the opportunities aren't always there like in the past. Now many women are having to try and fill two roles and it's not easy, which is some…
/r/MensRights19/04/20 10:58 PM
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Yes, it was. They wanted the right to vote without the responsibility that came with it for men: the draft. And some of them were literal terrorists as well.
/r/MensRights19/04/20 09:23 PM
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"nothing whatsoever" is an exaggeration and makes the rest of your evaluation look ignorant by association even though it is actually correct overall.
/r/MensRights19/04/20 09:20 PM
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Stupidity =/= Low Intelligence Smart people have more intelligence and therefore more ability to misapply intelligence. Some of the dumbest people are really smart, including some intelligent feminists I'm sure.
/r/MensRights19/04/20 09:18 PM
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Definitely. It's still important though. Even if not as much. But you're right too. We do need to keep a sense of perspective here.
/r/MensRights19/04/20 09:14 PM
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As long as the competition is open and fair yes. It's one of the best arguments for capitalism. But the size and corruption of corporations and government undermines it some. We don't have as much of a "free enterprise" system anymore. https://www.holisticpolitics.org/Corporations/Work.php
/r/MensRights19/04/20 09:12 PM
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Neither is being a straight man and hating women or being a straight woman and hating men. Heterosexual misandrists and misogynists confuse me.
/r/MensRights19/04/20 08:58 PM
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Sexist is an understatement. I'd call him an actual misogynist.
/r/MensRights19/04/20 08:55 PM
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Then for the record I am totally in favor of banning unsolicited dick pics if that can enforced fairly. But only if unsolicited pictures of female genitals are banned too.
/r/MensRights19/04/20 08:54 PM
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I've seen a woman post nude pictures of herself in a Discord server that was not labeled as NSFW. I've never seen or even heard of any men doing that. "it's extremely rare" is dumb. We were all told female on male rape was extremely rare too. It's not. We need to demand gender neutral laws and strive for gender neutral enforcement of them because the bias involved is too large to properly evaluate how often something happens without lots of hard data to work with on it.
/r/MensRights19/04/20 08:45 PM
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That so few people care about our modesty for our own sakes instead of just as ways to protect females from us hurts. Not a lot most of the time, but it is something that's always bothered me, that the same rules don't apply to us just because.
/r/MensRights19/04/20 08:38 PM
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Excellent explanation. Thank you very much.
/r/MensRights19/04/20 08:30 PM
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A slap in self defense? You'd have to bitchsmack someone for a slap to be more than just mild deterrent.
/r/MensRights19/04/20 08:26 PM
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Most people hear "masculinity" and they think "what men are like" and don't think of whether those characteristics are biological vs sociological or individual vs universal. Most people are concrete and extroverted thinkers. This is probably a conversion more suited for abstract and introverted ones.
/r/MensRights19/04/20 08:00 PM
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I'm not interested in women who are this forward. Such blatant promiscuity is a turn off for me. Also another comment indicates she is legally too young for me to have sex with anyway. So even if I were a slut to match her as one I wouldn't be eligible for her idiocy if that's true. As a pick up line it's at least clever though. There are some really dumb ones out there. I don't see what this has to do with men's rights either, now that I think about it.
/r/MensRights19/04/20 07:51 PM
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Or maybe you met an asshole. NGL my first thought was "and maybe he should be raped instead." But that's not right. Natural masculinity is fine. There is nothing inherently wrong with men having statistical personality differences from women, and if these are due to biological factors then they likely serve some good purposes both in terms of relationships within families due to reproductive differences and in terms of a wider diversity of thought in societies as wholes. Our culture's socially c…
/r/MensRights19/04/20 07:41 PM
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There is some that I know of, but those cases are of husbands and wives working together on the same things. Priscilla and Aquila from the New Testament jump to mind, who were tent makers together and were also prominent in the early church as missionaries and teachers - they are always named together and never separately. In modern times there are lots of examples of the same phenomenon of husband wife teams who work together really well on the same job too. Plenty of writers are married to oth…
/r/MensRights19/04/20 07:03 PM
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...way more people commit crimes than that. You drastically underestimate the number of laws there are. Break the speed limit? Download a copyrighted movie without paying for it? Smoke marijuana? Drink alcohol or do sexting while underage? Probably everyone is a criminal.
/r/MensRights19/04/20 01:31 PM
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Not just sexist. Misandrist. Misandry and misogyny are always sexism, but sexism is not always misandry or misogyny. Treating people differently based on their sex, even arbitrarily, is not the same as hating them. Hating people just for how they were born is way worse. Keep the labels for hatred reserved for true hatred. But when true hatred is there, spam those words mercilessly.
/r/MensRights19/04/20 01:23 PM
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How is that misandry? Stupidity is not hatred.
/r/MensRights19/04/20 01:13 PM
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Kindness =/= Interest. A good person is kind to everyone. Doesn't mean they want to sleep with all of them.
/r/MensRights19/04/20 01:10 PM
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It's idiotic. But they likely were not even thinking about men being vulnerable without women. And now some men will either starve or commit crimes to avoid that.
/r/MensRights19/04/20 12:25 PM
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If they assume every man has a woman to buy food for him it makes perfect sense, women are at lower risk so them being the ones to go out is a safety measure. The problem is there is no reason to think every man is part of a family that cares about him like that. There are lots of men who don't have women they can rely on to do the shopping.
/r/MensRights19/04/20 12:19 PM
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The idea that a man who is nice to a woman he is attracted to or interested in a relationship with is only after sex is slander to me. The same thing with the sexes reversed would be instantly recognized as horribly prejudiced: "A woman who is nice to you and wants a relationship is only after your money because she feels entitled to it and that's the only reason she is nice, women only care about one thing and if they act like they care about you there is always an ulterior motive involved beca…
/r/MensRights19/04/20 12:08 PM
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Oh wow. Someone else noticed feminism is about helping the worst kinds of women at the expense of everyone else including the best kinds of women. "Love and family before sex and money? What are you? Some kind of misogynist?" Casual sex and wage slavery are the highest virtues next to perpetuatual grievance studies.
/r/MensRights19/04/20 11:51 AM
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Thank you too. I'm trying some at least.
/r/MensRights19/04/20 10:41 AM
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Leave her as soon as possible. Until then she doesn't sound like she will listen to reason, but you can try. Make sure to manage your stress though, don't wear yourself out trying to reach her with truth. Research depression or burnout and learn how to deal with them, because living with her years more you will probably get them if you try to change her mind or even simply just interact with her regularly. Maybe keep away from her as much as feasible until you move.
/r/MensRights19/04/20 05:04 AM
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I let a homeless man move in with me for a few months. And my family has given out cash or food to homeless men many times.
/r/MensRights19/04/20 04:49 AM
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You're very welcome.
/r/MensRights19/04/20 04:22 AM
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hugs I'm sorry. It's hard to come to terms with how much you have to adjust yourself when you realize how little females do these days. And switching back and forth between wearing the mask when among masculine males and not having it on around people you feel like you can trust to accept you feels dishonest. It's sort of an emotional strain trying to figure out when to give in to the masculine pressures you don't like and when to be sensitive like you feel like you really want to be.
/r/MensRights19/04/20 04:12 AM
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Watch the documentary The Red Pill by Cassie Jaye and then her TedTalk "Meeting the Enemy" and then read The Real Sexism Project website and then come back and read our about page.
/r/MensRights19/04/20 03:33 AM
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"be able to"? Are you serious? It's a draft, it's not something someone does by choice. That is not more freedom for women or more freedom for men, just less freedom for women.
/r/MensRights19/04/20 03:32 AM
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How can I help you feel better? I wish I was treated as females are in many ways too. The harshness of being male often seems unpleasant and unnecessary to me.
/r/MensRights19/04/20 02:18 AM
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Abortion is the 1# Men's Rights issue for me. I believe men should have the right to be fathers. Other MRAs only do when it's convenient. I hate this movement sometimes.
/r/MensRights19/04/20 01:58 AM
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Your welcome. I'm grateful if got to help you.
/r/MensRights19/04/20 01:55 AM
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You're very welcome. Does it make you want to punch other MRAs in the face when they say they want men to have reproductive rights but they still approve of what happened to you?
/r/MensRights19/04/20 01:39 AM
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And I have been in the situation where I wanted it and she didn't. I'm sorry for your loss.
/r/MensRights19/04/20 01:36 AM
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I think the decision to have a kid is up to both parties involved So you support making abortion illegal without the fathers consent?
/r/MensRights19/04/20 01:34 AM
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I think a virtue theory of ethics has a lot to commend it, and theologically I think it's the only option I know of that can be fully defended since it's the only one that makes morality an issue of what God is rather what he does or produces and thus the only theory of morality that is fully compatible with God being eternally good wholly apart from his creation. I think multiple theories can be true, like if virtues that are embedded in natural law as tendencies that enable mutual flourishing …
/r/MensRights18/04/20 11:19 PM
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Right! The patriarchy is magically responsible for all sexism, even hatred of men by feminists! / s
/r/MensRights18/04/20 09:53 PM
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That I don't know. How someone can be that sexist is hard to wrap my head around.
/r/MensRights18/04/20 09:51 PM
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I wonder what would happen if men started to refuse to date women who were shorter than average. Assuming they are both American and she is of average height then he would still be 1 inch taller.
/r/MensRights18/04/20 09:50 PM
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Because it's true? There are men who turn on women who reject them and insult them even though they obviously thought they were attractive enough to hit on before. It's the gross generalization to all men that's wrong here.
/r/MensRights18/04/20 09:47 PM
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Remembering that there are good women who sincerely care about men and boys seems to help me.
/r/MensRights18/04/20 09:41 PM
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I recommend you fully read this sub's about page. Also that you watch the documentary The Red Pill by Cassie Jaye and then her TedTalk "Meeting the Enemy" and finally read The Real Sexism Project website to get a decent sense of proportion on a lot of the issues.
/r/MensRights18/04/20 09:36 PM
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There have been studies done on court bias that measure bias based on sex or gender separately from bias based on ethnicity or race and then compared them and it was found that gender bias is over 6 times greater than race bias alone.
/r/MensRights18/04/20 09:27 PM
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the entire idea of natural law theory in ethics is that (1) there is a blueprint for the human person's ideal configuration and way of living, (2) this blueprint comes from God, not from mere biology, mere culture, or even the interaction of the two, and (3) human moral flourishing is a matter of adhering to that blueprint and training one's instincts and impulses consistently to follow it instead of rebelling against it. Look it up; that is natural law theory in ethics. I think point 2 is an ov…
/r/MensRights18/04/20 08:50 PM
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I don't know what you can do but thank you for wanting to advocate for our wellbeing as fellow humans ma'am. Males need female advocates for our unique concerns and frankly male MRAs need female MRAs to keep us sane with all we're up against by showing us that good women exist who care about us.
/r/MensRights18/04/20 07:10 PM
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Correct. In the 1960s feminism set out to destroy marriage as an oppressive patriarchal institution and a misguided practice. They have largely succeeded and now lifelong committed relationships are extremely rare.
/r/MensRights18/04/20 07:00 PM
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If you want my money and my dick you get my feelings too or no deal.
/r/MensRights18/04/20 06:29 PM
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Unfortunately I think you're right.
/r/MensRights18/04/20 06:28 PM
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Feminism's idea of equality has always been ideological. It is based on the ideal that men and women are exactly the same, and if they aren't, they should be. Patriarchy theory supports their ideology where the only reason men and women act differently is because of social constructs placed on men and women created by men, or where the only thing holding women back is men's misogynistic attitude toward them. Its approach to equality is always based on its ideology, not on what is truly equal. So…
/r/MensRights18/04/20 06:16 PM
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Ah, I see. I apologize.
/r/MensRights18/04/20 05:58 PM
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And the good ones, even if they are few and do little it's something.
/r/MensRights18/04/20 05:57 PM
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I forgot those are called gutters too.
/r/MensRights18/04/20 05:56 PM
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I'm not super familiar with the legal code or with the legal aspects of the debate about rape either. But in the formal definitions outside the courts that I have read there is no requirement of intent to violate consent ever explicitly mentioned. In fact some articles educating people about consent state or presume that no intent to violate is required. And I'm aware of some of the ideas that underlie our legal system, but those most basic concepts of Anglo-American jurisprudence have been extr…
/r/MensRights18/04/20 05:52 PM
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Historically that's what marriage was, a contract that included sex.
/r/MensRights18/04/20 05:35 PM
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The scary thing is I could ask a woman if she wants to have sex, her agree to it, go through it with no sign anything is wrong, and then she could accuse me of rape and depending on her subjective psychological state at the time she could be entirely correct that I raped her according to the definition in current usage. Consent can be withdrawn at any time, there is no obligation to inform the other party, nor is there any clear standard of how quickly stopping counts as quick enough. Maybe a lo…
/r/MensRights18/04/20 05:28 PM
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The path to dystopia is paved with vague language.
/r/MensRights18/04/20 05:12 PM
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This is why I don't support using the word consent or definitions of rape based on it. The concept has become so loaded with conditions that in practice it doesn't always mean understanding and agreeing to something. The tell is that consent, a positive term, is used almost exclusively to discuss it's lack, a negative. That's a sign of high quality propaganda.
/r/MensRights18/04/20 04:37 PM
1

I would say there is a difference between sexism and hatred. Somebody can treat two groups differently without being motivated by hatred.
/r/MensRights18/04/20 04:23 PM
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While I don't disagree I think using the term genocide when nobody is being systematically killed will only undermine your argument when engaging with those who disagree or have not yet formed an opinion. Drop that term and you will get a better hearing outside whatever echo chamber you may be in.
/r/MensRights18/04/20 04:20 PM
1

People really need to understand the differences between institutionalized prejudice, systematic prejudice, and just plain old scattered private prejudice.
/r/MensRights18/04/20 04:18 PM
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Which is why I hate SJWs. They hated me first.
/r/MensRights18/04/20 04:07 PM
1

Actually from what little knowledge of history I have it seems to only be democracies with universal suffrage, not all governments. Considering that so far those societies overlap completely with ones where feminism exists as a formal movement it's entirely possible that democracy with universal suffrage could be as fair as previous societies were when it comes to how rights and responsibilities are distributed between the sexes if feminism were neutralized somehow, though undoubtedly the balanc…
/r/MensRights18/04/20 04:03 PM
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Until that's fixed I don't recommend young men go to college. That was the part I was commenting on. Obviously I am for reforming the relevant laws as everyone knows they are unjust. But MGTOW on this seems likely to backfire. We're already falling behind on education as it is.
/r/MensRights18/04/20 03:47 PM
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Do cartoons count as art? I like My Little Pony and Steven Universe, so Laura Faust and Rebecca Sugar I guess. Although some of the stuff in MLP is slightly insensitive to males in ways that wouldn't be tolerated the other way around and Steven Universe promotes LGBT+ concepts and implicitly endorses a lack of father's right while still showing the dad to be awesome, they are otherwise uncontroversial besides simply being "too feminine for boys". Gems all looking like human females makes about a…
/r/MensRights18/04/20 03:01 PM
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I have talked with them. I could be one of them if I wanted. I've experienced homosexual attractions and gender dysphoria. But I don't agree with the movements around them and shouldn't have to. Intersex conditions are objectively real biological phenomenon. We're not even talking about approving of a behavior here, we're talking about acknowledging that certain people even exist at all. People born with ambiguous genitalia make up approximately 0.05% of the population, people whose physiology d…
/r/MensRights18/04/20 02:38 PM
1

And in normal situations, even when people come to agreements, women break them all the time because...they don't have to hold to any agreement. Exactly. The argument that a man can just get a woman's agreement completely ignores that her agreement is not legally or even socially binding. He's helpless against her.
/r/MensRights18/04/20 02:24 PM
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I prefer steelmanning but it is difficult to find good versions of many arguments. Often I have no idea what people are basing their opinions off of and they act like I should just know enough to understand their evaluation of something when you can easily never come across whatever specific facts they are drawing from. I suspect that the more loudly people say something is bad combined with the less clear they are on what exactly they're condemning the more full of it their position would seem …
/r/MensRights18/04/20 02:16 PM
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That still doesn't give men a choice in being a parent, only more choice in not being a parent. Right now the choices available to a man are to choose to not choose, or choose to let a woman choose for him. That would be choosing to not choose or choosing to choose not to be a parent. There would still be no choice to choose to be one.
/r/MensRights18/04/20 02:11 PM
1

I think you misspelled sexist.
/r/MensRights18/04/20 02:05 PM
1

Strategic alliances.
/r/MensRights18/04/20 02:04 PM
1

What's wrong with Intersex or Asexual? I would have thought people being born with certain bodily characteristics or wanting to be celibate would be less controversial than homosexuality or transgenderism, not more.
/r/MensRights18/04/20 02:00 PM
1

If you're okay with breaking up like that anyway then just break up before cheating. Then it's not cheating.
/r/MensRights18/04/20 01:55 PM
1

Aren't gutters part of streets?
/r/MensRights18/04/20 01:54 PM
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Safety reminder: Do not have vaginal sex after anal sex.
/r/MensRights18/04/20 01:53 PM
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I have no problem with people making life easier on women, as long as they don't do it by making life harder on men or children.
/r/MensRights18/04/20 01:51 PM
1

From your comments it seems you live in a city or highly urban area. Maybe you should move out to a more rural area where people have more traditional beliefs and values. An imperfect formula: Cities = Modernity = Progressivism = Feminism = Exaggerated Gynocentrism = Androphobia, Female Supremacism, and Misandry
/r/MensRights18/04/20 01:43 PM
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This video may also help you remember there are good women out there who want to help men: https://youtu.be/vwKLTVCJn6Q It's less intellectual and more emotional, which might help some.
/r/MensRights18/04/20 01:38 PM
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Their hypocrisy is overwhelming. True misandry would be easier to stomach and frankly less dangerous if it weren't falsely associated with equality of the sexes.
/r/MensRights18/04/20 01:33 PM
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In other words society sucks and you should try to change it but don't let it hurt you if you don't actually have to.
/r/MensRights18/04/20 01:28 PM
2

We should have a thread about conscious consumerism for MRAs and what we can do by voting with our dollars to make a better world for men and boys.
/r/MensRights18/04/20 01:19 PM
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Also masculinity, but only for women. Nationalism is the only thing missing.
/r/MensRights18/04/20 01:15 PM
1

Feminist: Oh, no! He discovered our secret formula! panicks
/r/MensRights18/04/20 01:13 PM
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"No, we don't. You're less likely to get attacked than us despite being more physically vulnerable. It's not a rational attitude. You're paranoid because feminism has spread propaganda that makes androphobia seem rational to you and makes you think women are always more likely to be victims. We understand feeling unsafe, we don't understand the extent you do or why you gender the issue as if you were less safe than we are."
/r/MensRights18/04/20 01:08 PM
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Won't that make the problem worse in the long term since it will mean fewer males and especially MRAs in positions of societal influence that require a college education, and fewer raising children to influence the next generation since they won't make as much money to attract a mate and support a family to the extent college leads to higher paid careers?
/r/MensRights18/04/20 12:59 PM
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Yep. Lots of things would never be allowed to be made if the genders were reversed, including cartoons ostensibly meant for children.
/r/MensRights18/04/20 12:40 PM
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Maybe if people actually tried to understand other people who are different instead of just relying on mirroring for all their cognitive empathy they would see how to get what they want from others by being considerate to them.
/r/MensRights18/04/20 12:35 PM
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Don't have sex with a women until you know her views on consent and rape, her views on sexism and how or if it applies to men, and can make a good judgment of her moral character in things like telling lies and hurting innocent people. Don't move in with her or let her move in with you until then either. This requires a long term commitment but can potentially screen out all false accusers, women who would use you for child support but not let you see your children, domestic abusers, female rapi…
/r/MensRights18/04/20 12:23 PM
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I'm sorry you were taken advantage of, I'm sorry you were violated, I'm sorry you lost your father, I'm sorry you were neglected by your mother, I'm sorry you were hated by your grandparents, I'm sorry your friends were basically just using you, I'm sorry your girlfriend wasn't understanding, and I'm sorry that you have been traumatized by it all. Sexuality is hard, figuring out what's healthy or unhealthy can be difficult. Neglect and abuse can color everything and give you PTSD. Sexual abuse m…
/r/MensRights18/04/20 12:04 PM
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I never stated my position on the medical examination issue. I don't even have one.
/r/MensRights18/04/20 03:38 AM
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I think it's more like 16. Which is globally the most common age of consent anyway and actually has some good biological reasoning behind it. 18 seems like a random number until you realize it's when high school ends. Age of consent is based on our education system.
/r/MensRights18/04/20 03:24 AM
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Exactly. Being a stay at home parent IS a job. It's just that your spouse is your boss. Upsides: Flex time Can bring your children to work Can control your workspace No commute Can negotiate policies with your boss, because there are no higher ups Potential bosses compete for you (if female) Job security (if female) Can have sex with your boss, there are no corporate policies against this Sounds pretty good to me.
/r/MensRights18/04/20 12:28 AM
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"And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds." 2 Corinthians 11:14-15, ESV The theme is also in the scriptures themselves. Like, fairly often.
/r/MensRights17/04/20 11:55 PM
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Which means if you apply their logic fairly to actual facts men can't be abusers. Which is ridiculous.
/r/MensRights17/04/20 04:53 PM
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No, it doesn't. It stands for intersex.
/r/MensRights17/04/20 04:51 PM
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On the other hand I think the fact that the LBGT+ movement has done more to effectively free males from unnecessary gender roles than "the movement for gender equality" in a shorter amount of time with less support and more opposition when gender equality wasn't even their actual goal proves feminism is less about gender equality for males than any random gender related movement would be in the same position as feminism.
/r/MensRights17/04/20 04:47 PM
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I see. My search for a woman who wants me to have positive reproductive rights on the basis of gender equality continues.
/r/MensRights17/04/20 04:40 PM
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Lots of things. I try to concede anything that any feminist says that is factual, logical, or fair. This does not include "feminism is just about gender equality" or "feminism used to be all good".
/r/MensRights17/04/20 04:36 PM
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It's out of Animal Farm too. "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others"
/r/MensRights17/04/20 04:18 PM
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You are literally saying we should go easier on people who commit premeditated murder just for fun. Having one good standard is the correct approach. But the good standard in this case is to be hard on murderers.
/r/MensRights17/04/20 04:11 PM
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I'm pretty sure feminism exasperates the issue by an enormous amount.
/r/MensRights17/04/20 04:10 PM
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In 2017. When I started fully realizing the depth and breadth of sexism against males and of the feminist hypocrisy surrounding it. Combined with letting myself realize how subtly feminine I was I developed gender dysphoria in response to the pain of being male.
/r/MensRights17/04/20 04:06 PM
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I think you mean the breeder stock making up 10% of the population thanks to systematic mass murder. This was a serious proposal by a prominent feminist academic. She has not been widely condemned by the movement as far as I know. But remember, feminism is just about equality of the sexes. It's not effectively a supremacist movement or anything like that. / s
/r/MensRights17/04/20 03:54 PM
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Key word: probably. Still be careful out there guys. There are plenty of people who will take advantage of someone with a good nature and they are part of the dating pool too.
/r/MensRights17/04/20 03:40 PM
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Your junk is incredibly important Why is it junk then? Maybe we should stop demeaning male genitalia and promote bodily self respect among and between males.
/r/MensRights17/04/20 03:35 PM
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We already can't force it. I think you mean we give up the right to try.
/r/MensRights17/04/20 03:31 PM
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The video cuts off mid sentence. What is her actual position?
/r/MensRights17/04/20 03:27 PM
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Fair enough. I understand and share your concerns and can see you aren't being hypocritical about how you apply them in your own thoughts.
/r/MensRights17/04/20 03:18 PM
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We should. But not everyone will. And we need to recognize that. I don't want to turn into another grievance studies movement that looks for the smallest signs of discrimination everywhere and then constantly complains about it with the effect of causing social conflict without ever really improving what they're complaining about because they're too worried about blaming other identities and protecting their own to actually deal with all the reasons bad things happen besides prejudice and bigotr…
/r/MensRights17/04/20 03:15 PM
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I don't think 100% gender neutral implementation is possible. As long as it's a reasonable approximation of it I'd be reasonably satisfied. I just want to have basic rights, I don't expect the justice system to ever be perfect in protecting them.
/r/MensRights17/04/20 02:58 PM
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Probably. Maybe I should have said off limits to honest pedophiles. I do not consider joining a group whose rules exclude you honest. But then I'm autistic. Most human behavior seems dishonest to me. I find it stressful to answer "how are you" without a truthful description, and sometimes to break the speed limit, stream things illegally, do soft but illegal drugs like marijuana, or give anything but a 100% true answer on a test even if it's what the test makers consider "correct". (to get my GE…
/r/MensRights17/04/20 02:52 PM
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I just spent two hours looking through my comments trying to find it and I couldn't. :(
/r/MensRights17/04/20 06:34 AM
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I was shocked too. While I knew it must happen by definition I was not aware of how common it is. I don't understand the glass ceiling in a contemporary context, I don't see it but perhaps that's because I've never had an office job. I understand more about the pay gap and it seems that the numbers normally quoted are based on massive oversimplifications and the extent that the gap is due to discrimination is either small or negligible compared to the overall gap which is more the result of diff…
/r/MensRights17/04/20 04:20 AM
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That is exactly what abortion means for men with the sexes reversed.
/r/MensRights17/04/20 04:07 AM
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You're right. "Men should be able to kill women's babies without their permission" or "Men should be able prevent women from reproducing even after agreeing to have sex with them", depending on your viewpoint about fetal personhood. Yep, sounds bad.
/r/MensRights17/04/20 04:01 AM
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Stop using my neurology as an insult.
/r/MensRights17/04/20 03:57 AM
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The male counterpart to abortion is abortion. Either way you stop being a parent. Guys just have no choice.
/r/MensRights17/04/20 03:54 AM
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Or we could just teach our daughters self control. If feminism didn't take 1/4 of them from us with easy divorce laws coupled with highly biased child custody
/r/MensRights17/04/20 03:51 AM
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They also make male chastity belts.
/r/MensRights17/04/20 03:47 AM
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Listen: I'm not saying the attitude you are fighting isn't hypocritical. I'm saying you can't beat hypocrisy simply by calling it out with logic. If you could feminism as we know it today couldn't even exist, MRAs would have stopped it long ago. Male MRAs are emotional and social creatures just like female feminists are. They aren't always open to facts, logic, or fairness either. They are human beings.
/r/MensRights17/04/20 03:23 AM
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I was going to be supportive but she has been insulting everyone just for being male. I'm not putting myself out there for someone like that. What if she insults me while I'm opening up my heart to show her empathy? That would hurt. I'm too messed up emotionally already to handle that kind of mindscrew.
/r/MensRights17/04/20 03:12 AM
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Or whoever hit first, if we can prove it. As long as the policy is gender neutral I could go any way on this. Someone better than me can figure out the best set of policies (and social norms?) for stopping domestic violence without creating some sex discrimination dystopia or romantically totalitarian state.
/r/MensRights17/04/20 03:09 AM
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Hey. I read a comment you made about being raped and I wrote something supportive because I wanted to help you. Then I read your other comments in this thread and went back and deleted my supportive comment because you've been pretty mean and keep using gendered insults. You scare me and I don't want to get hurt by talking to you from you treating me badly when I show sympathy. I also realized you're a hypocrite and deluded because you say feminism isn't against men and then keep insulting men j…
/r/MensRights17/04/20 03:05 AM
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Fighting for the right for women to vote wasn't fighting for gender equality. It was fighting for female privilege. Because men did and still do have to register for the draft for the right to vote. That's why a lot of women didn't want the right to vote. But suffragists weren't asking for full equality, just the parts that benefit women. Know what else some of the suffragists did? Arson. Feminism has always had some violent female supremacists in it, and has never effectively cared about gender…
/r/MensRights17/04/20 02:47 AM
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Who does gay marriage being allowed affect? Homosexual couples, employers, wedding service providers, anyone involved in family court, taxpayers, anyone with an opposing opinion. You aren't taking marriage as a legal institution, anti-discrimination laws, or hate speech laws into account. If you just want people to be able to enter committed relationships without forcing everyone to approve I don't disagree. And I would argue from the bible that in our social context that is the Christian positi…
/r/MensRights17/04/20 12:28 AM
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I have said "I am a monogamist, I am for the equal distribution of sex" on this sub before. I understand.
/r/MensRights16/04/20 10:54 PM
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If violence is never the solution then how do you stop people from being violent if they disagree? Perhaps violence is not usually the solution. Or violence is a solution of last resort. Or violence is not ever the right solution to some problems. Or only designated authorities should get to use violence as a solution. Or whatever. But pure pacifism is like pure anarchism, totally impossible on a large scale because as soon as you say "nobody can force anybody to do anything" you suddenly can't …
/r/MensRights16/04/20 10:52 PM
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Idk how that's okay either. But I'm glad you found another good man and got to have children. It sounds like you are all happy together. That's pretty amazing.
/r/MensRights16/04/20 10:42 PM
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And what if there is reason to think most pedophiles don't molest children like most men don't rape women? What if there is reason to think many child molesters aren't pedophiles just like many rapists aren't men? How many people in a demographic have to not do something before it's not okay to blame everyone in it? And if you're going to decide when it's alright to blame people for things they didn't do based on exact numbers how can we gather enough hard data to know our stigma is justified wi…
/r/MensRights16/04/20 10:35 PM
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No, I don't think you can just impose your beliefs on me. It's two way. So I'm against you imposing your belief in gay marriage on me (by forcing me to see it as equally valid). I'm against you imposing your belief in abortion on me (by giving me no way to legally protect myself from having my children aborted). I'm against you imposing your belief in transgenderism on me (by denying me the right to treatments for dysphoria besides transitioning). Why do your beliefs automatically take precedenc…
/r/MensRights16/04/20 10:23 PM
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Yeah, except this goes way beyond parents and being around kids. Pedophiles are pretty much universally hated by everyone. And a lot of them are probably around children all the time and don't ever offend. I guess we can't know how much it just comes down to self control until we can get a reasonable amount of hard data on how many nonoffending pedophiles there are out there and how often they are around kids.
/r/MensRights16/04/20 10:09 PM
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Fair enough. I don't think anybody should be forced to trust anybody else to be alone with their kids anyway. I was treated pretty awful as a child by my teachers.
/r/MensRights16/04/20 10:02 PM
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By telling religious people to not believe what they do because they have no right to an opinion. You're saying they shouldn't be allowed to vote their conscience or express their concerns politically.
/r/MensRights16/04/20 09:58 PM
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I think it's too vague to show anything substantial. Like, what rights for men? What rights for women? A feminist who disagrees with our about page on everything could still honestly put she cares about men's rights because she supports the rights we already have but not giving us any of the rights women have or protecting them from further erosion by feminism. I did vote though, option one. I think what I want in legal terms is full equal rights by written law and something like basic equality …
/r/MensRights16/04/20 09:54 PM
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I'm not saying they should. I'm asking a question. Men rape women. Men are rapists. Why isn't that enough to hate and fear men in your opinion? Why isn't that a right thing to do to us?
/r/MensRights16/04/20 09:35 PM
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I see. You basically want to outlaw religious belief.
/r/MensRights16/04/20 09:33 PM
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In what way is church not seperate from state already? I agree about the taxes thing though. I'm not sure I like the way the applicable taxes work but churches shouldn't get exemption just for being religious institutions IMO. Not unless they do charity like a secular organization that also gets a tax break for it alongside or as part of their religious activities.
/r/MensRights16/04/20 08:00 PM
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I'm not into that stuff but I don't think the guys who are are compensating for a small penis. They just have different interests from me. I see nothing wrong with thinking vehicles are cool. Although I would worry about the safety of motorcycles.
/r/MensRights16/04/20 07:53 PM
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I especially don't trust feminist politicians, the combination.
/r/MensRights16/04/20 07:41 PM
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Yes, thank you lovely loyal ladies. Y'all are awesome. Loyal guys too. Though we have less choice in it.
/r/MensRights16/04/20 07:32 PM
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Can someone explain to me why anyone uses tinder ever?
/r/MensRights16/04/20 07:30 PM
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I feel like "chemistry" in general may be overrated. I prefer thinking in terms of compatibility, which is a rational assessment of our ability to sustain a relationship over time instead of just random feelings. Falling in love feels amazing but it doesn't always mean you could actually be with someone the rest of your life, even if it's mutual. But it's probably best to have both. Either way the main thing is commitment. If you make love a choice and you both choose to love each other and keep…
/r/MensRights16/04/20 07:21 PM
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Unfortunately the way mandatory reporting laws are set up the people who need help controlling their sexual impulses the most are the ones with the most reason to not seek out professional help. And idk of any therapy that helps with "society basically hates you for no good reason". If I did maybe I'd stop waking up thinking of how society in general and especially feminists in particular view me for being male and start getting decent sleep again.
/r/MensRights16/04/20 07:03 PM
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I would like to give a shout out to all the awesome stay at home moms out there, thank you ladies for putting so much into raising your kids. The world needs more good people in it so thank you if you are making some out of them. And I appreciate the work you do to keep your families running smoothly. This goes to all the cool stay at home dads who may be reading as well of course. Thanks guys.
/r/MensRights16/04/20 06:54 PM
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Don't insult people for asking questions when you're the one who wants them to understand. That's counterproductive at best.
/r/MensRights16/04/20 06:49 PM
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I'd have to judge that by how much self control and sense of ethics they show in other areas probably. Dexter seems pretty cool aside from all the cruel vigilantism and lying to cover it up.
/r/MensRights16/04/20 06:47 PM
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I had a sadomasochist friend with macrophilia (as the macro) and vovorarephilia (as the pred). So I've actually had a friend with cannibalistic fantasies who claimed she'd eat tiny people if she really could. Considering she sent me a video of her eating several live fish to fulfill some aspect of her fantasy I believed her. I also believed her when she said I am her friend and she would never eat me even if she grew hundreds of feet tall. She was almost always nice to me and we shared a love of…
/r/MensRights16/04/20 06:43 PM
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To be fair your grammar isn't always clear, that's why the first version of your post was taken down. It could easily be interpreted as promoting child molestation even though you didn't mean to. Your comment about consent was just as vague and could be taken as advocating disregard for another person's willingness to participate in sexual activity and in context even for child molestation again. Even though the rest of the thread makes it clear that again that's not what you meant. Is English y…
/r/MensRights16/04/20 06:32 PM
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Sexual and/or romantic.
/r/MensRights16/04/20 06:18 PM
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Ask yourself this: is it wrong to be sexually attracted to childrens? If you say no because it doesn't mean that they will abuse a child... then your telling me that child porn is ok to look at if you don't abuse a child yourself. Your argument here seemed to be based on the premise that any outlet for sexual release of pedophilia must support child abuse. If you did not intend to say that then I apologize if I misunderstood. Others in this thread have actually said that though.
/r/MensRights16/04/20 06:12 PM
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What if they don't watch child porn? Does that somehow mean they aren't attracted to children? And what do you mean by child porn? Are you going to lump stylized drawings of naked kids in with recordings of child abuse? Does lolicon and shotacon count as child porn to you? If so child porn obviously isn't necessarily abusive in origin. By children do you mean prepubescent or just minors? If minors then are the pics teens take of themselves and sent to each other that leak onto the wider web chil…
/r/MensRights16/04/20 06:07 PM
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And why is it wrong? Why shouldn't women hate men? Because it's wrong to blame people for things they didn't do?
/r/MensRights16/04/20 05:46 PM
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If pedophile means child molester then what do you call someone consistently turned on by little kids who never molests children? Answer that part.
/r/MensRights16/04/20 05:45 PM
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I love humanity and these things are anti-human.
/r/MensRights16/04/20 05:44 PM
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No, you make them see the problem. Then if they won't listen you label it hypocrisy. Labeling people as hypocrites when they don't see how they are can turn them away. And if you call them hypocrites and then won't explain it further when they don't understand you just come off as ignorant on top of being arrogant to them. No matter what you are arguing or why you have to actually engage with your conversation partner's thoughts and feelings. Crying "burden of proof" doesn't convince anyone to c…
/r/MensRights16/04/20 05:42 PM
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There are plenty of pedophiles who never molest children, and plenty of child molesters who aren't pedophiles in the sense of normally being attracted to children. Do you think pedophiles go around molesting kids just so you can tell them apart from non-pedophiles? You can't tell what someone is thinking or feeling unless they tell you or it can be inferred from their speech or behavior. Lots of pedophiles are just ordinary people who don't do anything that out of the ordinary and you can't tell…
/r/MensRights16/04/20 05:33 PM
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I'm not arguing for sex between adults or teens and actual children. Nor am I advocating breaking any currently existing laws about age of consent, even the dumb ones. What I would say is that maturity is a function of experience as much as age and people in our society don't get many chances to make truly responsible decisions until they're pretty old. Very little in the way of autonomy or consequences compared to earlier generations. Teens may not be mature enough for sex precisely because we …
/r/MensRights16/04/20 05:15 PM
1

Why not? Why shouldn't an anti-male narrative by encouraged or tolerated?
/r/MensRights16/04/20 05:05 PM
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Feeling attraction is an impulse to do something, but it's an impulse one can choose either to act on or not to act on. Yeah, and a man who is attracted to a woman has an impulse to have sex with her. Doesn't mean he's going to rape her. Because he can choose to act on it or not. Pedophiles are human brings with unfortunate sexual inclinations, they have consciences just like everyone else and how they choose to conceptualize or deal with their attractions works the same as with anyone else. The…
/r/MensRights16/04/20 05:03 PM
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Yeah, and age play and loli hentai exist, what's your point?
/r/MensRights16/04/20 04:54 PM
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If pedophile means child molester then what do you call someone consistently turned on by little kids who never molests children? What do you call the stepfather who isn't normally attracted to little girls but gets drunk one night while he is sexually frustrated because his wife refused him sex and locked him out of their bedroom who then molested his 9 yo stepdaughter? Pedophile =/= Child molester. That is literally all the OP is asking for. An acknowledgement of basic facts, logic, and fairne…
/r/MensRights16/04/20 04:52 PM
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Those reasons can apply to pedophiles and child molestation. That's the point.
/r/MensRights16/04/20 04:41 PM
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Ironically CG/L relationships are kind of off limits for pedophiles because those communities and the wider age regression communities are actively hostile to them to deflect criticism that they are themselves pedophiles. Source: I tried age regression to cope with stress for a while and "no MAPs" was a rule in some places and I've looked into the Caregiver/little dynamic while researching BDSM because I want to have a soft and nurturing relationship and that aspect of it appealed to me (I could…
/r/MensRights16/04/20 04:38 PM
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He may actually just be playing it safe. Even if you're not yourself attracted to minors at all much less little kids if you say one thing on this you will be labeled a pedophile and attacked for it. Even advocating against sex with minors will get you attacked sometimes if you don't do it from a place of pedo hate. It's a witch hunt, so don't be surprised if people don't want to get burned just for showing common sense like "that's not what that word means" or "why hate people so much who haven…
/r/MensRights16/04/20 04:29 PM
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Being attracted to someone is worse than murder? You do realize conflating attraction and behavior into an identity is how the LGBT movement won right? By saying pedophilia = child molestation you're agreeing with their logic in a lot of ways. You could say sex with kids is wrong without stigmatizing pedophiles as people and giving them extra motivation to try to make child molestation acceptable. It was the stonewall riots that started the organized push towards the acceptance of same sex relat…
/r/MensRights16/04/20 04:24 PM
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How about the actual literal definition? "a consistent attraction to prepubescent children" Want a term for persistent attraction to adolescents or teenagers? Those exist too: hebephilia and ephebophilia. Whether ephebophilia counts as attraction to minors depends a lot on the individual and jurisdiction since age of consent laws vary wildly.
/r/MensRights16/04/20 04:10 PM
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I don't disagree, but you don't change hypocrisy just by pointing it out. You need to actually deal with their concerns and not brush them off with "irrelevant" if you want to change minds. You want people to show integrity and compassion? Then go out of your way to show them integrity and compassion. Set a good example. If people still won't listen to you then they are consciously being hypocrites. Most hypocrisy is not recognized because it comes natural to most people. Integrity is rare.
/r/MensRights16/04/20 04:03 PM
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I'm not totally disagreeing with you. I think sexual orientation and paraphilia and all that jazz are just labels to dictate what is acceptable and what isn't. I can't tell any clear differences apart from that. And I do think sexuality is malleable to a degree, like I said. Just not totally. There are people who've had fetishes since they were little kids. Or knew they were different before realizing their orientation after puberty. All I'm saying is sexuality isn't all about choice anymore tha…
/r/MensRights16/04/20 03:56 PM
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Many feminists effectively disagree. And most of their arguments are suspiciously similar to the ones against sex between legal adults and biologically mature minors. If you accept patriarchy theory they actually both make about as much sense as each other. The only big difference is that the systematic oppression of teenagers is real. In my state an 18 yo having sex with a 16 yo is extremely illegal and considered rape regardless of other circumstances and with a 17 yo is too if they aren't mar…
/r/MensRights16/04/20 03:46 PM
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Emotional pleas are your friend here. You aren't going to win anyone over on this with logic alone. And some people were molested as children, their experiences are very relevant. Lots of child molesters are situational offenders rather than pedophiles, but most people don't understand that. And some child molesters are pedophiles and that needs to be honestly addressed too even if lots of pedophiles never molest kids. And in this person's case the fact he calls it rape himself indicates he was …
/r/MensRights16/04/20 03:33 PM
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Or they could, you know, be celibate. Also your argument only even applies to exclusive pedophiles, who are a minority. Most adult pedophiles have some level of attraction to other adults and can satisfy their sex drives to some extent in a relationship. They just can't admit what they are to hardly anyone and may end up having to have sex with somebody who hates them unknowingly. It would be like being bisexual in a homophobic culture. Sure, you can have a normal relationship but you still have…
/r/MensRights16/04/20 03:11 PM
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What about fictional material? If no children are harmed in making the porn then what is your argument? That it's the same thing anyway? That it encourages really doing it? That it's just too indecent to exist even if it doesn't harm anyone? Those arguments wouldn't fly on any other subject in this day and age. Porn of violent rape and graphic murder is much more legal than pedo porn, even if all were made without depicting anything that ever really happened. You are arguing the ethics of fictio…
/r/MensRights16/04/20 02:51 PM
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Sexuality is malleable to a degree, but not totally, and changing an attraction that came naturally to you is harder than changing a fetish you picked up though porn, at least. Conversion therapy isn't terribly effective. Most ex-gays are still attracted to men, they just have better self control about it and don't focus on those thoughts anymore. I dove into all kinds of sick porn in my teens with hentai and stuff and picked up a bunch of fetishes. Then I became a Christian and went nofap for t…
/r/MensRights16/04/20 02:40 PM
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The film "Are All Men Pedophiles?" is a documentary on this issue. It is available to stream on Amazon Prime at no additional cost.
/r/MensRights16/04/20 01:14 PM
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That could easily be selection bias. Mothers get custody by default, the fathers who get custody probably are above average fathers going against below average mothers.
/r/MensRights16/04/20 01:01 PM
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Staying calm during arguments is probably good advice in general.
/r/MensRights16/04/20 10:47 AM
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I'm sorry to seem insensitive but have you actually asked them to stop? Your post didn't really say. Only if you did and they didn't stop is it truly sexual harassment in my opinion. And it shouldn't matter that you're exclusively homosexual. Heterosexual or bisexual men don't necessarily want to sleep or even flirt with every woman either. And asexual men don't normally want to with anybody, regardless of sex. You shouldn't have to be gay, celibate, or taken to turn down an advance and have tha…
/r/MensRights16/04/20 10:43 AM
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What two rules?
/r/MensRights16/04/20 10:19 AM
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I don't trust politicians in general.
/r/MensRights16/04/20 02:42 AM
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I don't think it's the same guys expressing both those sentiments. She seems to think all men are the exact same person as each other.
/r/MensRights16/04/20 02:37 AM
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I actually am over 6 ft. I would never date one of these women.
/r/MensRights16/04/20 02:30 AM
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Men's/Male Rights Activist/Advocate. Anyone who advocates for the rights of men and boys as men and boys is an MRA when they do.
/r/MensRights16/04/20 01:54 AM
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I think there are some tax breaks of some kind. But the main reason to get married is that you have no choice if you want a committed relationship. Live with a woman you're sleeping with for long enough and the legal institution is forced on you by common law. In other words if you want marriage as a practice you will end up in marriage as an institution anyway, even though the institution no longer actually supports the practice and may discourage it.
/r/MensRights16/04/20 01:38 AM
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I'm sorry for your loss.
/r/MensRights16/04/20 01:33 AM
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People who are both logical and kind are too rare.
/r/MensRights16/04/20 01:22 AM
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I'm male and I have standards but they mostly aren't about looks. But then I want a real relationship.
/r/MensRights16/04/20 01:17 AM
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I had a friend once who was insecure because she had small breasts. It is kind of similar.
/r/MensRights16/04/20 12:46 AM
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I don't insult people based on their body parts (or in general really). I agree that insinuating that men have small penises is bullying.
/r/MensRights16/04/20 12:44 AM
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I have had the exact opposite experience. The response you get really depends on the individual person and gender norms could work for or against you either way.
/r/MensRights16/04/20 12:42 AM
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It perpetuates a stigma against people who have done nothing wrong by conflating them with sex offenders. "all men are rapists!" "all pedophiles are child molesters!" See how that could suck ass if you were a pedophile and never touched a kid and never would? That second one is so common it doesn't even need to be said explicitly. Imagine almost every report of rapists in the media didn't say rapist or rapists. It just said man or men. That's the world pedophiles live in. Hated for just being bo…
/r/MensRights16/04/20 12:22 AM
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I disagree. I think nature and nurture both play a role in how our personalities develop, as well as personal choice in how to respond, and that there are natural trends in personality that differ by sex prior to socialization. They aren't as strong or consistent or specific or apparent as what happens after socialization reinforces those traits that conform to gendered expectations and dissuades those that break them, but there are some natural trends and that's okay. Nobody is wrong simply for…
/r/MensRights16/04/20 12:05 AM
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I'm autistic. You don't need to explain to me different isn't necessarily the same thing as wrong. And I'm kinda a sissy. In fact I hate the idea that a boy has to have a father. That expert opinion is why my mom married my ex stepfather who made our lives miserable for like 20 years straight. I said the personality differences are statistical. I'm not arguing that all men have any single aspect of their personalities in common here.
/r/MensRights15/04/20 11:55 PM
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I believe he is arguing it is hypocritical to perpetuate hatred against nonoffending pedophiles if we reject the feminist idea that just because men are attracted to women and can rape them that means it is okay to hate all men for being potential rapists.
/r/MensRights15/04/20 11:40 PM
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I don't think so. Statistical trends in personality differences between the sexes seem to be partly down to biological factors and not solely due to sociological factors or personal choice. It's quite possible that fathers are naturally prone to being more strict with their kids in how to discipline them in general. Anecdotally my mom has coddled my adoptive little brother where me and my male friend were telling her he needed more strict punishment to change his unhealthy behavior. She didn't l…
/r/MensRights15/04/20 11:19 PM
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If you finish this paper please share it with us.
/r/MensRights15/04/20 10:44 PM
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Does anyone else remember reading about how some guy invented a more comfortable and supportive kind of bra but that the clothing companies weren't interested in producing his design? Also, why are US bra sizes still not standardized industry wide yet?
/r/MensRights15/04/20 10:16 PM
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Thank you. Not only is your definition of rape gender neutral, it is also clear and reasonable. No vague talk about "consent" that can be manipulated or misinterpreted. Just if it's against the other person's will then it counts as rape. You mean forced sex.
/r/MensRights15/04/20 04:33 PM
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I agree with this. Being too fat or two skinny are both unhealthy and your romantic partner should care about your health and help you get to and stay in a healthy range IMO.
/r/MensRights15/04/20 04:24 PM
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Also IIRC most male rape victims are raped by female rapists, it's just that gets ignored because it's defined as not actually rape unless you're penetrated so the statistics most people look at only include male victims of female rapists if the rapist penetrated the victim's anus somehow. Being forced to have intercourse against your will isn't included in the statistics of rape if it's female on male by definition since "made to penetrate" is counted as something different. So she's also just …
/r/MensRights15/04/20 04:20 PM
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This. It doesn't matter what problems the MRM has we're kind of stuck with it because until and unless men's issues get public debate MRAs are our only advocates as males today. The issues are too pressing to do nothing and the only movement close to doing anything to change the situation for men is the MRM.
/r/MensRights15/04/20 09:22 AM
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The strictness and rigidity of male gender expectations today in comparison to female gender expectations.
/r/MensRights15/04/20 02:08 AM
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Creating disincentives for men to be prince charming is a stupid strategy then. They're lowering their supply of them in the longterm.
/r/MensRights15/04/20 01:50 AM
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Part of it is that these aren't the kind of arguments you win by being right. It's about emotions, not facts and logic and fairness. We need to stop being so angry and be kinder and gentler so people actually register when we're obviously right instead of going "'they're so toxic!". Remember, most people can't tell a good argument from a bad argument but they can tell a nice person from a mean person. The best way to fight stereotypes is to not match the stereotype. Ours are that we are hateful …
/r/MensRights15/04/20 01:32 AM
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Less bad feminist isn't though.
/r/MensRights15/04/20 12:28 AM
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Their plausiblity has.
/r/MensRights15/04/20 12:24 AM
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Where there really such communes? Do you have more information on them?
/r/MensRights15/04/20 12:18 AM
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Totally agreed then.
/r/MensRights15/04/20 12:14 AM
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Because the men in power are going to make policies to that benefit men, so. What policies would those be at this current point in time, when the majority of people at the highest levels of power are still male? Where is the benefit I recieve? If it's rich men making decisions that benefit rich men and women at the expense of less wealthy men and women why gender the issue? Just as a woman in power would make policies that benefit women. Look up gynocentrism. Not a bunch of people bitching about…
/r/MensRights15/04/20 12:07 AM
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I'd like everyone to have the choice. I don't think we should necessarily encourage people to be either more or less emotionally expressive than they feel comfortable with nor limit what ways are valid to express those emotions, such as only by talking. Being autistic I actually think acting like not expressing your emotions is bad is potentially dangerous. Some people don't have as much emotions, get over them quicker, don't let them lead them, don't understand their feelings, don't know how to…
/r/MensRights14/04/20 11:07 PM
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Can you not just explain how they are different here and now? If they aren't why use the term patriarchy instead of just saying capitalism when you know many people who can see your other points find it so confusing or hurtful that they turn against you from thinking you are idiotic or hateful? Do you support gender neutral language? Like "server" instead of "waitress" and "fire fighter" instead of "fireman"? If so why does that not apply to patriarchy and feminism if they are about gender roles…
/r/MensRights14/04/20 10:52 PM
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As long as it is legitimately about the freedom to be masculine or feminine in the things that only directly effect yourself and not an active pressure to behave in ways more typical of the other sex and this freedom is not just a pretext to feminize males who are naturally masculine or used as an excuse to avoid using your sex differences responsibly in a relationship than I see this fredom as a good thing. I am somewhat feminine myself.
/r/MensRights14/04/20 10:41 PM
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I'm asking where they don't overlap. Why ever say "patriarchy" instead of "capitalism" in our culture today? Where is the gain? Worth the cost of making men feel blamed and giving ammo to misandrists who blame them?
/r/MensRights14/04/20 10:02 PM
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Which is stupid because the only ways in which women are naturally less capable to a very significant degree with a very strong average is that men have have greater size and proportional strength. Which is largely meaningless these days. That and pregnancy and nursing, which decrease their independence. But I see that as being more capable since they can do things we can't at all while we can only do things they can but better. Qualitative vs quantitative. Which sex is "superior"? Depends. Do y…
/r/MensRights14/04/20 09:58 PM
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I thought there were four waves.
/r/MensRights14/04/20 09:40 PM
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Right. The roots are flawed, the flaws just weren't as obvious before the plant was more fully grown.
/r/MensRights14/04/20 09:39 PM
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How does patriarchy exist today in ways that don't overlap capitalism? What is the non-capitalism patriarchy that makes the term necessary because one isn't reducible to the other in contemporary western society? That's my question.
/r/MensRights14/04/20 09:36 PM
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You didn't answer my question. Are they at all different things in our own social context, and if so in what way? If not would a matriarchal (by the same definition but with the genders reversed) capitalism be any better somehow?
/r/MensRights14/04/20 09:32 PM
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When the requirements for attaining leadership are inversely proportional to sanity the least sane become our leaders. There are reasons Trump won and receives approval and those reasons have as much to do with a fundamentally broken voting system and a hostile overly aggressive left as an insane right. It takes all three things to get us here.
/r/MensRights14/04/20 09:25 PM
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What's the difference between capitalism and patriarchy in your view in the context of contemporary western society? Is there one in your opinion?
/r/MensRights14/04/20 09:17 PM
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I think they are a distraction and that they foster negative emotions more than meaningful discussion.
/r/MensRights14/04/20 09:14 PM
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Imagine being angry for [irrelevant] reason[s] and creating opportunities for yourself to continually be angry instead of getting your shit together enough to attract the [woman] you think you deserve. Sounds about like me and how I've stayed stuck in the emotional wreck I got in just as much for other reasons due to red pill rage.
/r/MensRights14/04/20 09:13 PM
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that's because if a man has #1, 2, 4 and 5, then why in the hell would he give up #3? Love? Not with her though.
/r/MensRights14/04/20 09:09 PM
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I'm not the one making these posts. Nor do I want to dig through some misandrist and archived misogynist spaces just to point out double standards by the social media administrators responsible. A huge chuck of feminists are conscious or deliberate misandrists, androphobes, and female supremacists and they are shallow, irrational, and dangerous. We get it, move on to planning how to counteract this movement with a realistic strategy please.
/r/MensRights14/04/20 09:05 PM
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If that's the point then the posts need to compare similar instances of sexism and show how only the anti-female kind gets banned to demonstrate the hypocrisy, not just the hate.
/r/MensRights14/04/20 08:57 PM
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Ah yes, hookup culture. All the risks from a relationship of child support, lack of child custody, and false rape allegations, but with no real way of finding out if the woman will do those things since you don't know her long before having sex with her because you don't plan to stay with her long enough.
/r/MensRights14/04/20 08:54 PM
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You're welcome. Thank you too. I really wasn't looking to argue men have it a lot worse in this. Not every area of life is like that and this is one where while things are more complicated than they first appear (some clarity about beauty standards can actually help with insecurity for example and most men don't receive enough positive attention about their bodies, too little can be as bad as too much) I'd say this is an area of life where women still have it a lot worse than us in a lot of ways…
/r/MensRights14/04/20 08:39 PM
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I read your explanation. It came off as a term to enable blaming all men for the actions of the rich few with lots of influence. Why "patriarchy", not "capitalism" if that is what you really believe? Seems to be a systematic usage of the appex fallacy in today's world.
/r/MensRights14/04/20 08:32 PM
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I'm sure other people could give a much better explanation than me, and also do a better job judging the proportionality between genders, but I do know there are pressures on men I would not have guessed and more importantly for this discussion double standards on how those pressures are applied. My only major point was that the issue isn't as one sided as many people seem to think that it is, if you recognize that then you can figure out the rest better than I can. I don't pick up on stuff enou…
/r/MensRights14/04/20 08:26 PM
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That's cool, but I'd want to pay more often if that was feasible for us, once we're an official couple. It'd make me feel manly, in a good way. Considering I'm the type of guy who found the term toxic masculinity more relatable than offensive at first I don't get many chances for that. I'm not really comfortable with most things that are considered masculine and I'm not a "guy's guy". I'm kinda a sissy. But romance? That I can do.
/r/MensRights14/04/20 08:15 PM
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That isn't "toxic masculinity" though, or "patriarchy". By focusing on women's preference in height you aren't engaging with what he is saying, no matter how dumb it is.
/r/MensRights14/04/20 08:01 PM
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Then why label that with an exclusively masculine term that fosters misandry?
/r/MensRights14/04/20 07:58 PM
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Right. And the Pope isn't catholic.
/r/MensRights14/04/20 04:11 PM
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No, it is an indictment of much of the feminist leadership. If it weren't ever their leaders or official organizations doing this stuff their claims that the philosophy itself doesn't necessarily encourage such behavior and it's just a few bad apples would have more plausiblity. Some conscious misandrists or androphobes or deliberate female supremacists are no name random internet feminists we could ignore, others have a high place in the movement's history or organization. My comment is referri…
/r/MensRights14/04/20 04:07 PM
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Just for a change of pace could we get a post about a feminist sub that is only extremely flawed instead completely toxic besides MensLib? I'm tired of reading about the most negative and superficial feminists.
/r/MensRights14/04/20 03:50 PM
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Yep. "Battered Husband Syndrome". Reasonable child support and alimony laws, equal custody by default, and access to domestic violence shelters for men should fix a whole lot of the problem of domestic violence against women.
/r/MensRights14/04/20 03:42 PM
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That sounds about right.
/r/MensRights14/04/20 03:34 PM
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I'm not seeing where this list clearly indicates a desire for a man for reasons besides money and sex for purely sensual purposes. This was written by a woman complaining about other women going after a man for the same reasons as her or about him accepting their attention for the same reasons as her and them desiring him minus money.
/r/MensRights14/04/20 03:04 PM
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Good point. Now stop using autist as an insult.
/r/MensRights14/04/20 02:58 PM
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What other men's issues do they discuss?
/r/MensRights14/04/20 02:53 PM
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I have no problem with the idea if it just means "the highly unhealthy and unnecessary expectations for males that get internalized and then enforced on them by peers". But the terminology is too rhetorically useful for misandrists to be more helpful than hurtful.
/r/MensRights14/04/20 02:52 PM
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Clearly it is some feminists beyond that sub, some highly influential.
/r/MensRights14/04/20 02:43 PM
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You're welcome. I hate that attitude. I keep getting downvoted and given harsh responses for asking people to stop using my neurology as an insult on this subreddit. I'm always "too sensitive".
/r/MensRights14/04/20 02:37 PM
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That gap is closing fast and in some ways already reversed now. There are a lot of pressures on appearance that women face but it's not nearly as one sided as you seem to think these days. The biggest difference is that women face more pressures about their appearance that center on things they can control. While men face more pressure about things outside their control like their height.
/r/MensRights14/04/20 11:20 AM
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I recommend not doing that.
/r/MensRights14/04/20 11:13 AM
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Feminism has a broad pattern of defining it's terminology vaguely enough that it can be rhetorically expanded to infinite meanings but gendered enough that those meanings are always positive towards female empowerment and useful for collectively blaming males.
/r/MensRights14/04/20 11:06 AM
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The movement that pushed women to work outside the home whether they want to or not without pushing for or even pushing to allow men to work in the home causing corporations to have access to a drastically larger pool of potential employees in turn driving down wages and thus increasing profits is against capitalism? Please define your terms, because the word capitalism seems to keep getting vaguer by the day to me. It seems to just mean "bad economics" when used by the left and "good economics"…
/r/MensRights14/04/20 10:55 AM
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That's one of the reasons I'd want to do it. Perfect opportunity to test them for their attitudes on gender. If she automatically expects me to pay the bill on the first date I know she doesn't care about my situation as a male and I can safely ignore her as a potential mate afterwards. She gets a rude awakening by having to pay half the bill, and I get to screen out dangerous women from my dating pool rather easily. Only in a committed relationship would I do more for her just because she is fe…
/r/MensRights14/04/20 10:41 AM
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I've stopped. Some of the concepts that go under the term I agree with, but after seeing how much the term itself hurts so many people's feelings here and starting to realize how much the term is used to attack men for their natural masculinity rather than criticizing the socially constructed masculinity of our current culture I decided the term's not worth it. We can discuss the issues without it. The wellbeing of human beings is more important than words. Rhetoric isn't always my strong suit, …
/r/MensRights14/04/20 10:27 AM
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Some feminists genuinely do care about gender equality for men too. Unfortunately being a feminist means they will have a harder time seeing or understanding much of our situation and an even harder time trying to make it better. They're working from a flawed viewpoint that means even when they are trying their best to help us and even succeeding somewhat they are still perpetuating concepts or terminology that enables or incentivizes the current situation that is bad for men. Pro-male feminism …
/r/MensRights14/04/20 10:10 AM
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I think you are generalizing from your own experience beyond what is reasonable. Yes, males have higher sex drives on average, but it is just an average and the difference between the averages isn't necessarily all that large. Yes, after puberty hits the younger you are the higher your sexual drive is and it takes time to learn how to deal with your new sexuality, but that doesn't mean every teenager is overwhelmed by the situation. How easy one's sexuality is to deal with depends on the individ…
/r/MensRights14/04/20 10:03 AM
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People underestimate the effects of poverty traps I think.
/r/MensRights14/04/20 09:47 AM
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I like the idea of women having the right to opt in to parenthood. I like that right so much I'd extend it to men.
/r/MensRights13/04/20 03:42 PM
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The Honey Badger Brigade says hi.
/r/MensRights13/04/20 02:46 PM
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If toxic masculinity means not being allowed to express your sense of vulnerability about being a man feminists as a collective are more responsible than frat boys. We can express being feminine more with them in some ways, but not practical problems that men face as men way beyond barriers to emotional gender nonconformity. And if we say it's mostly women that shut our soft feelings down that's not allowed either. Nice feminists let you be feminine. That's about all any feminists are good for i…
/r/MensRights13/04/20 01:06 AM
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Could you provide some sources please, or tell us where you got these numbers? I agree with most of your reasoning and I know a lot if it is true but I have no way of knowing if these specific numbers are accurate or exaggerations.
/r/MensRights13/04/20 01:00 AM
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I hope they even have it in English translation, I don't read Hebrew or Aramaic and I'm too lazy to learn.
/r/MensRights13/04/20 12:55 AM
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I know, it's super long. That's why I was only seriously considering reading the Mishnah.
/r/MensRights13/04/20 12:53 AM
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Then she is being ungrateful by complaining about the effects of something she wants and needs. Maybe you could talk to her and let her know that once she has a job hopefully the pressure on you to provide won't be as much and you'll be able to get more R&R so you have the energy for sexual intimacy. Your situation with work sounds really rough to me. I'm sorry your having to wear yourself out like that. Could it get easier there? This doesn't sound very sustainable.
/r/MensRights13/04/20 12:51 AM
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Ah, I see. I'm going to have to read this, I think I know where the rabbis got the idea from, as being a Christian I've read the Tanakh in translation repeatedly (also some Josephus and many issues of some Messianic Jewish magazines and of course books about world religions in general). I think I should probably read the Mishnah too (I'm not going to read the whole Babylonian Talmud, seems too long and if I read one Gemara I'd want to read the other for comparison) and maybe the Zohar (which I e…
/r/MensRights13/04/20 12:23 AM
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Explanation and citation please.
/r/MensRights13/04/20 12:00 AM
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I think she meant "mental rape" rather than literal telepathy.
/r/MensRights13/04/20 12:00 AM
3

I try not to use it anymore. I prefer the term "forced sex".
/r/MensRights12/04/20 11:59 PM
2

I've heard it distinguished that poisons require ingestion, toxins don't, and venom needs injection.
/r/MensRights12/04/20 11:57 PM
3

Prison just for thinking of doing something?
/r/MensRights12/04/20 11:48 PM
1

Very informative and enlightening. I liked it except for this one part, which I hate: Or they go full autist Please stop using my neurology as an insult and associating it with feminism.
/r/MensRights12/04/20 11:47 PM
2

I get different vibes from them but vibes are really subjective.
/r/MensRights12/04/20 11:31 PM
1

Second, gay men who bottom are not taking the role of a "woman," They aren't women for sure, nor are they necessarily feminine in any general way. But in sex they are taking on a role women almost universally do in heterosexual relationships but men usually don't: the role of being penetrated. If I got together with a woman and she wore a strap on and pegged me I'd still be a man and she'd still be a woman but I'd be taking on a role women normally do and she would be taking on a role men normal…
/r/MensRights12/04/20 11:27 PM
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Some feminists can be reasoned with somewhat or even converted. Many MRAs consider themselves feminists or used to. Either way the video is good. It's not about feminism or the MRM or equality per say. It's about men and women and how we need to stop blaming each other and start trying to heal from all this conflict. It was made by many women, in it they apologize for how men have been treated by women and praise our masculinity as the compliment to their own feminine nature. They're right, you …
/r/MensRights12/04/20 10:31 PM
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...but statistically men are less risk adverse than women are. Men aren't spineless in general.
/r/MensRights12/04/20 10:17 PM
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Anything like that would have to be too conservative to be truly mainstream in order to be made these days. Although maybe I'm wrong there. Along that vein there is King of the Hill which highlights both positive and negative aspects of traditional masculinity in American culture and was a pretty good series overall, for much of its run at least. Anything else I can think of would be even older or even more conservative, including the show Tim Allen did later that also touches on issues of mascu…
/r/MensRights12/04/20 10:11 PM
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Each movement keeps blaming the other for it's problems, while not understanding it's own. I don't dispute that we sometimes blame feminism beyond what is constructive and feminists beyond what is true (feminists are not feminism, some feminists are mostly decent people caught up in a web of destructive propaganda). Nor do I dispute that sometimes some of us promote hate of feminists (I'm fine with hate of feminism as an ideology as long as it doesn't extend to all the people who align themselve…
/r/MensRights12/04/20 09:55 PM
1

The researcher's interest was fairly broad and the methodology and conclusions were laid out very clearly. It was pretty good IMO.
/r/MensRights12/04/20 09:01 PM
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Sorry about your BF. Is he okay now? And sorry about the feminists. I get really upset too (a massive understatement). Ignoring popular feminism is probably good for most people's mental health.
/r/MensRights12/04/20 08:55 PM
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Thank you. I try to be clear.
/r/MensRights12/04/20 08:46 PM
3

Then she was demanding something that was almost literally impossible from you. Tell me, how much of your paycheck did she recieve or benefit from?
/r/MensRights12/04/20 08:45 PM
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I do not claim that people who are consciously or intentionally female supremacists, misandrists, and androphobes make up a large part of the feminist movement, including it's highest leadership. Many feminists do not realize the horrible effects feminism has on men, women, children, and society in general however. They have been fed numerous lies all their lives and many sincerely believe to some extent that not only are they themselves fighting for genuine equality of the sexes but that this i…
/r/MensRights12/04/20 08:41 PM
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I consider myself a moderate libertarian and the Enhanced Precision Political Quiz in 2D consistently classifies me as a Right Leaning Libertarian. I do not subscribe to a political party and have voted for Republican, and Democrat candidates for various offices as well as independent and third party candidates. I do not support Trump in general. Although I am open to supporting his policies if after learning of them I think they are overall beneficial to society I think he not only has bad poli…
/r/MensRights12/04/20 08:35 PM
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Thank you. I just skimmed the entire study. I helped me understand the context of what happens in this subreddit.
/r/MensRights12/04/20 08:16 PM
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Alright, but I thought that was implicit in what I said. Attraction =/= Behavior Attraction =/= Identity Behavior =/= Identity That goes for any sexuality really. It's just the more taboo ones make any choices involved harder. If you're exclusively heterosexual and exclusively heteromantic and have no paraphilias you might not have to think about any of this at all.
/r/MensRights12/04/20 06:13 PM
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I've seen them criticize Islam, but usually only as an excuse to criticize Christianity along side it, even when the thing they're criticizing in Islam or the way that they're criticizing it doesn't really apply to Christianity. A lot of atheists think all gods are the same, all religions are the same, and they're no point making any distinctions whatsoever. Anyone who has studied world religions or comparative theology and not fallen for the pluralistic rhetoric that contradicts the information…
/r/MensRights12/04/20 05:39 PM
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"People", not "things. Intellectually or morally bankrupt people granted, but still people.
/r/MensRights12/04/20 05:30 PM
1

Education can make it worse depending on how it's done. Self reflection is a better bet.
/r/MensRights12/04/20 05:27 PM
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Depends on if by "homosexuality" you mean attraction, behavior, or identity. Attraction is largely spontaneous and involuntary, you have some control over who or what you are attracted to, but not much. Behavior is a matter of choice but your circumstances dictate what options are available to you and what the consequences will be more than you do, and identity is a psychological thing that is mostly a response to sociological pressures and so culture is important for determining how much choice…
/r/MensRights12/04/20 05:09 PM
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See, I don't understand why such women can't take the active role in sex on those occasions, just let their men lay down and relax while they ride them. She wants sex but demands you fuck her, why doesn't she fuck you instead?
/r/MensRights12/04/20 04:49 PM
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Right, she doesn't care about your feelings either way. Whether it's caring about your desire for her or caring about your tiredness she doesn't seem to take your feelings into account. And she certainly isn't willing to abide by the same rules she expects you to on either thing.
/r/MensRights12/04/20 04:42 PM
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I love this video. I needed to hear this, and I wish I could speak it. I do want peace. I want healing. Not more hate. No more destruction. But it takes other men and women who want that too. I want to hope that we can build a world where the natures of men and women are both honored as expressions of the same humanity we're all part of. Idk what to do. But I want to try.
/r/MensRights12/04/20 02:56 PM
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Women aren't the people trying destroy us. Feminists are. Men and women are not enemies by nature, they're partners. If we're enemies it's because we've decided to make it that way.
/r/MensRights12/04/20 02:35 PM
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What would you think of a woman who left her boyfriend if he wouldn't take no for an answer while also refusing to pleasure her when she wants it? Would you think the guy is such a jerk that you can't blame her for leaving him when it become apparent that he wouldn't change his hypocritical behavior?
/r/MensRights12/04/20 02:30 PM
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I'd say feminist organization like the League of Women Voters make this a much bigger issue than it has to be. Yes there are slightly more women than men and in a democracy they have more political power than men if all else is equal, but we're a slight majority at birth and there are only more of them because we die more often and feminists keep us from addressing it in any meaningful way. Yes women have an in group bias and men an out group bias and that means they will use their power in ways…
/r/MensRights12/04/20 02:20 PM
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Without gender essentialism most misandry makes no sense. This is the main problem with the Gender Critical sub: they want to have their cake and eat it too by hating a gender that doesn't exist according to them.
/r/MensRights12/04/20 02:05 PM
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That men are drastically more likely to rape women than the other way around. I held on to that belief for a long time, it was the last serious thing I thought women have worse in any serious way. I was wrong. Men have the issue of rape worse all around. And I wake up a lot of times remembering that I am seen as a violent monster for things I would never do that society has little to no problem being done to me.
/r/MensRights12/04/20 01:57 PM
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An analysis of the two main MRA positions, in regards to equality of the sexes: Fully pro-choice, but with men able to get a "paper abortion": Men and women have equal right to opt out of the parenthood they've chosen to start, but men have no right to not be forcibly opted out of the choice women made with them and thus no right to reproduce and they continue having their right to be a father seen as less important than a womans financial security and subjective emotional wellbeing, justifying …
/r/MensRights12/04/20 01:40 PM
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Agreed. Bitching about some random idiot bitching about something else is not productive.
/r/MensRights12/04/20 01:07 PM
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I agree. If women are treated in some way that damages or disadvantages them then those issues need to be addressed. Being unfair to or untruthful about women is bad just like towards men.
/r/MensRights12/04/20 12:56 PM
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Not necessarily. Most people have lived in poverty through most of history in "civilized" cultures. That was when the global population was less than half what it is now. I think it's more a function of access to resources and opportunities you can use for yourself in most cases. In a state of nature you could hunt or gather for food when you need to if you have developed the skills. In a culture of settled agriculture that's not necessarily true because all the land is someone's property now. A…
/r/MensRights12/04/20 08:58 AM
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I am not claiming that any other group of women aren't rapists by this flawed logic, just that all the ones I've ever seen in person are. My knowledge of other cultures is too limited to say definitively what specific countries favor women over men enough to give them significantly more power than men in ways relevant to the issue.
/r/MensRights12/04/20 08:48 AM
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Deliberately avoiding both clear language and established language will only continue to perpetuate confusion. The stereotypes and sheer thoughtlessness need to be confronted, not coddled. Men can easily be forced to have sex, as women are more powerful than us legally and socially post-feminism, especially when it comes to sex. Take any definition of rape and any standard of evidence for rape and apply them gender neutrally and the numbers of both victims and perpetrators in both sexes are alwa…
/r/MensRights12/04/20 08:38 AM
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How is this any different than any other time? I want kids. I don't have a "don't put yourself in a position where you can easily be massively fucked over with society's approval" option. Even ignoring rape and DV.
/r/MensRights12/04/20 08:10 AM
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The four possible ways of judging this as I see it: Jake was intoxicated and could consent. Therefore so could Josie. Nobody was raped. Josie was intoxicated and could not consent. Therefore neither could Jake. Both were raped. Jake was intoxicated and could not consent. But Josie could for no particular reason. Josie raped Jake. Josie was intoxicated and could not consent. But Jake could for no particular reason. Jake raped Josie. Call me crazy but I think option 1 makes the most sense, option …
/r/MensRights12/04/20 12:15 AM
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Overpopulation is real issue but is generally overstated. Most developed countries either have negative population growth or would have negative population growth if they stopped importing immigrants. Yet pollution and resource diminishment continue. The issue is not primarily one of population but of lifestyle. The high-tech corporate/consumerist structure of our culture is unsustainable. Global population growth is too in the long run, but what counts as "over" population depends on the ratios…
/r/MensRights12/04/20 12:02 AM
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under 1 in 6 Meaning even if we assume all men who want custody press for it (a dubious assumption) 1/6 would still be a an increase.
/r/MensRights11/04/20 11:45 PM
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Take a fairly balanced social equation, keep removing all the positives from one side and all the negatives from the other side, then watch society collapse from the increasing strain.
/r/MensRights11/04/20 11:38 PM
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I don't think I feel comfortable sharing my BDSM test results on reddit. Sorry.
/r/MensRights11/04/20 11:17 PM
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I am now thinking of promoting vasectomies without getting one myself so all the women who want to have children will see me as a better prospect, increasing my "sexual market value" and giving me a better position in dating.
/r/MensRights11/04/20 10:53 PM
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This is what I think any time I hear the power dynamics automatically make it rape argument. If that's the case than any western woman who has sex with a man is a rapist.
/r/MensRights11/04/20 10:41 PM
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What if facts and logic show women have greater collective power?
/r/MensRights11/04/20 10:40 PM
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Most feminists think MRAs hate women. Meanwhile MRAs upvote posts on how to pleasure them sexually for no other reason than to make them happy.
/r/MensRights11/04/20 10:35 PM
3

How about "forced sex"?
/r/MensRights11/04/20 10:25 PM
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I'm definitely on the more submissive side. Something I'm proud of is I always get a score of 0% in sadism. I have sympathy for sexual sadists and think it can be done lovingly but it's very much not for me.
/r/MensRights11/04/20 10:23 PM
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Just get a Retron 5. The old Game Genie codes are built in.
/r/MensRights11/04/20 10:17 PM
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"Men have it worse in our society in very serious ways" "That doesn't matter, women have it worse globally, so we need to focus on things halfway around the world we have a lot less control over. Only once all inequality against women is ended everywhere can we focus on places where men have it worse. We'll get around to it, I promise we will. Men are human beings too."
/r/MensRights11/04/20 10:16 PM
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It's not that Japan doesn't take feminism seriously. They do. It's just they have less of a culture of outrage and victimhood than us. They have a more inclusive attitude towards the content of entertainment in general. Which partially leads to more creative output in it.
/r/MensRights11/04/20 10:10 PM
2

Have you tried MojoUpgrade or taken the BDSM Test together?
/r/MensRights11/04/20 10:03 PM
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Or female on male. Or if there is a difference for their victims from rape that should be acknowledged. But as in men can be raped, not that it's merely sexual assault. Forced envelopement is still forced sex. Being enveloped is sex for men, if it's forced it should count as rape.
/r/MensRights11/04/20 10:00 PM
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I mean, do we do more than that very often?
/r/MensRights11/04/20 09:55 PM
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It's alright. Sorry you're separated from her during the lockdown.
/r/MensRights11/04/20 09:51 PM
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Sorry. Any way I can help? Idk what to say. I get upset at hatred too. Still haven't figured out a way to deal with it all.
/r/MensRights11/04/20 09:49 PM
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Just do more than intercourse. Pleasure her orally or manually. Then have her envelope you. If she orgasms first she probably won't mind if you cum too quickly. Talk it out with her, reach a compromise. Sorry if this was inappropriate. Just trying to be helpful and supportive.
/r/MensRights11/04/20 09:43 PM
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I think transgenderism is nonsense and agree with them banning you. You don't need to spam "there are only two genders". That doesn't even do anything if you don't explain why you believe that or what you mean by the word gender.
/r/MensRights11/04/20 09:37 PM
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If you take out the misandry and female supremacy I agree with her. A lot of her arguments are why I don't use photographic porn and some touch on why I try to refrain from certain fantasies sometimes. The problem, as usual for feminists, is that she makes this all one way. The women who are porn models? "Telepathic sluts", just like the men masturbating to them. The women masturbating to fantasies of male celebrities? "Telepathic rapists", just like the men masturbating to fantasies of their fe…
/r/MensRights11/04/20 09:34 PM
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I think there are some ways homosexual men may have life easier sometimes but it depends a lot on how "progressive" the social climate you are dealing with is. Sex and relationships are one thing, but other than that I think it all depends on the political spectrum. Transgender is more complex and I don't feel like analyzing it in detail. Being anti-LGBT in a progressive area can probably be just as bad as being pro-LBGT in a conservative area, depending on how radical or moderate the people you…
/r/MensRights11/04/20 09:18 PM
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I just looked up the definition and disturbingly holding a belief that directly contradicts your own firsthand experience is only considered delusional if your belief is not common.
/r/MensRights11/04/20 08:48 PM
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I think it's a bit more complicated than that, but in terms of it's effects in the real world on contemporary western society then you're right.
/r/MensRights11/04/20 08:36 PM
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Just confusing or actually incorrect? Because I hope I'm not wrong but it's probably inevitable that my math is confusing. When I was a kid my teachers couldn't understand how I was trying to solve my math problems because I did it weirdly, but then I got the answers right thinking the way that I did.
/r/MensRights11/04/20 08:32 PM
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I've been going through depression too (although it may actually be "autistic burnout"). A lot of my motivation is gone these days.
/r/MensRights11/04/20 08:28 PM
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I was an active member of a Southern Baptist church for 5 years. I never heard anything bad about black people in there, and black church members were welcomed the same as everyone. Asian people too. Nobody was ever singled out for race there.
/r/MensRights11/04/20 08:24 PM
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I have never seen that claim made here, at least not explicitly. We just want clear and equal definitions of sex crimes to be used and clear and equal standards of evidence to be upheld.
/r/MensRights11/04/20 07:53 PM
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It's not about people, it's about ideology. We're saying that feminism is a deeply flawed ideology at it's core. Even if it contains or creates some good too it's fundamental structure inevitably means it creates, promotes, and protects anti-male sexism, female supremacy, and outright misandry. When "good" (thoughtful, informed, well intentioned) people follow that ideology the damage is limited and may be outweighed by the good. When "bad" people follow the ideology it just gives them ammo. Fem…
/r/MensRights11/04/20 07:40 PM
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He means that the majority of women were historically against women's suffrage. And for good reason. At that time voting was seen as a privilege that came in exchange for a serious obligation or was thought of as a responsibility, not a basic right. Men still have to register for the draft in exchange for the right to vote here in America, women don't because the suffragists didn't want equality for both men and women - they wanted equality only for women and only in "positive" things, which is …
/r/MensRights11/04/20 07:26 PM
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I often stick up for those parts of feminist philosophy that seem truthful and beneficial too. But I don't consider myself a feminist. I'm anti-feminist. That doesn't mean I can't acknowledge when they are right and try to learn from them and advocate tolerance towards those that tolerate us.
/r/MensRights11/04/20 06:49 PM
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I think we're kind of similar. I'd also like to have meaningful work of some kind beyond maintaining my family, work that gets stuff done and brings in outside resources to us as well as putting something out in the world or helping strangers with mundane everyday things. But while I'd like a regular job for a while if it's not really stressful (I don't mind actual work, but I don't want a lot of drama to go with it) eventually I will have a wife and kids if all goes well and I'd prefer to work …
/r/MensRights11/04/20 06:07 PM
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Then thank you very much.
/r/MensRights11/04/20 04:55 PM
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I see. They mean gender diversity though. Not diversity of thought.
/r/MensRights11/04/20 01:00 PM
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I wish it was 1/6. Woman actually get custody over 80% of the time (86% IIRC). When the father contests it. Most lawyers advise men not to fight it though apparently, because their chances are so low and it takes so much to succeed. So it's more like 1/10 in all actuality.
/r/MensRights11/04/20 12:48 PM
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As long as you aren't unfair to your female students in the process. Otherwise I have very mixed feelings.
/r/MensRights11/04/20 12:40 PM
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Did you see the smile on Bently's face when he was talking about his daddy? Chris loves his son. He's a good guy for not blaming the kid for his mother's behavior.
/r/MensRights11/04/20 12:35 PM
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"Game Over" :) Haha. Game over bitch. You're in prison and the dad has the kid.
/r/MensRights11/04/20 12:28 PM
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Okay, what does that have to do with this post though?
/r/MensRights11/04/20 12:22 PM
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I'm amazed how often people utterly fail at understanding how unfair they are being about equality, even when they're intelligent and knowledgable people who apparently care about equality to some extent. The "replace group A with group B and run that by yourself again" thought experiment is extremely easy to do in numerous cases. And it's often pretty easy to get a rough idea of how other people might generally react to it too.
/r/MensRights11/04/20 12:18 PM
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The success of feminism in a nutshell.
/r/MensRights11/04/20 12:04 PM
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If it has a legitimate meaning then it's too vague and abstract and context sensitive to matter a lot of times. Don't be surprised manipulative people misuse it so much when it's considered so important yet is so easy to manipulate since the average person can't understand it as a general principle given how it always comes up in the context of the same general subjects. Most people are extroverted or concrete thinkers. Principles as principles instead of principles as applications are hard for …
/r/MensRights11/04/20 12:01 PM
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What's wrong with needing true love to win? Lots of movies star male characters that only manage to pull through and save the day because there is a woman he loves and loving her gives him strength. As someone who has been in love I assure you that it can make you feel like you can do anything.
/r/MensRights11/04/20 11:48 AM
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Thank you for demonstrating how this sometimes is a hate sub.
/r/MensRights11/04/20 11:41 AM
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What's your point?
/r/MensRights11/04/20 05:50 AM
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No, it hasn't. "Legitimately delusional" would mean the majority of people here share a belief that directly contradicts their own firsthand experiences. Being an echo chamber isn't the same thing as being delusional.
/r/MensRights11/04/20 05:32 AM
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Source please.
/r/MensRights11/04/20 05:25 AM
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I think I need to read C. S. Lewis's The Abolition of Men again and see how it applies to feminism this time. It was a book written against transhumanism...in the 1940s.
/r/MensRights11/04/20 05:23 AM
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Congratulations to you, your hubby, and your baby. :)
/r/MensRights11/04/20 05:14 AM
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We don't know if they are rarely false or not. The number of proven true and proven false allegations are at comparable levels while the majority are not proven either way. You have fallen for a feminist manipulation of statistics where the accused is counted guilty unless proven innocent in court.
/r/MensRights11/04/20 05:09 AM
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Horizons prove the earth has significant curvature and if you get out to the ocean it's noticeable. Other than that single experience that is available to most people I'd agree it's all secondhand knowledge based on some trust in the people who gave it to you. A very basic understanding of 3D geometry which requires no formal training and that simple experience are enough to realize the earth must be fairly round, but unless you have been told you still might not think about it enough to see it.…
/r/MensRights11/04/20 04:56 AM
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You're cool. You have a realistic idea of your own preferences and don't look down on homemaking and raising kids just because it's "women's work", as if the work women traditionally do is somehow less valuable for it.
/r/MensRights11/04/20 04:38 AM
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Even if they made up exactly 50% why praise them as heroes more? Women are less likely to die of the coronavirus, they are risking less. Just show gratitude for all truck drivers. An old friend of mine is a truck driver, and another friend's husband is too. It's a very demanding job just from the sheer number of hours you put into it. And we all benefit from the work they do and we did before the coronavirus too.
/r/MensRights11/04/20 04:30 AM
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An interesting point.
/r/MensRights11/04/20 04:23 AM
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This is now the second or third person I have found on this sub who understands the overall effect on the economy of second wave feminism.
/r/MensRights11/04/20 04:11 AM
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Or that everyone would even want a job instead of being a homemaker or running a home business or doing subsistence agriculture, etc.
/r/MensRights11/04/20 03:50 AM
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I'm not sure any factors are obvious to the average person. Otherwise the 77 cents to a dollar type oversimplifications would have disappeared a long time ago.
/r/MensRights11/04/20 03:47 AM
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I have developed gender dysphoria, suicidal ideation, anger outbursts, and anxiety partially from thinking about sexism against males and feminist hypocrisy so much. I can confirm the negative consequences of feeling all the world's problems. Or even just a big chunk of them. Have that weight hit you when you already aren't doing well because you've been neglected and isolated for years and you may fall apart.
/r/MensRights11/04/20 03:44 AM
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Should I message my close friend from Wuhan and ask him how he feels about this terminology? (Yes, I have a close friend who happens to be from Wuhan. Weird that this happens after I met him.)
/r/MensRights11/04/20 03:32 AM
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And fairness. Don't forget fairness.
/r/MensRights11/04/20 03:14 AM
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A highly cynical oversimplification: Progressives = Communists Conservatives = Fascists Welcome to the horseshoe effect.
/r/MensRights11/04/20 03:07 AM
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No, you're thinking of transgenderists, the two group overlap only partially. You're probably thinking of feminists saying gender is a social construct, by which they mean exactly the opposite thing from transgenderists.
/r/MensRights11/04/20 02:55 AM
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Thanks then.
/r/MensRights11/04/20 12:40 AM
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Well I'm autistic and text has no verbal or physical cues to read emotions with, so there you go.
/r/MensRights10/04/20 11:41 PM
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Then their theology is flawed.
/r/MensRights10/04/20 11:37 PM
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I once made a young man cry by simply complimenting him. It happens very rarely for many of us. And then we see women complaining that they are phyically admired so much, or getting offended that their outfit was complimented, or whatever. And we're supposed to totally understand. But they aren't. We are often starved for positive attention. Please be kinder to men.
/r/MensRights10/04/20 11:29 PM
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They are real men. They just suck. All this "real man" and "alpha" and "chad" stuff needs to stop already. Men are men. It's that simple. There is not some objective binary by which all men can be judged in their masculinity as worthy or not. And if one man is less masculine than another than they are both still men.
/r/MensRights10/04/20 11:24 PM
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I prefer "humanity". Although I'll use "mankind" when I'm feeling archaic and need something more poetic.
/r/MensRights10/04/20 11:17 PM
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They don't hate dick pics, they hate unsolicited dick pics.
/r/MensRights10/04/20 11:06 PM
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You are using binary thinking, as if something always is or is not an echo chamber. Try thinking of things as spectrums sometimes. Something can be more or less of an echo chamber. And you are using a concrete way of thinking, try thinking abstractly sometimes. "Forces" instead of just "objects". The echo chamber effect is not about something being an echo chamber or not, it is about the process that makes them that way. And you can mitigate an effect. I'm saying this is more of an echo chamber …
/r/MensRights10/04/20 09:46 PM
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I know. I was responding to avstylez1's comment which was about a Canadian study that does take other factors into account. The "77 cents to a dollar" stat is true but irrelevant in most contexts as it is used in a way that ignores the majority of factors to focus on a largely nonexistent difference in pay based directly off of sex. Such a difference does exist according to people who have measured other factors but it's significance ranges from very small to negligible for the average person in…
/r/MensRights10/04/20 09:32 PM
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Depends on the situation. But in one server I was introduced with feminine pronouns by a friend. I was really struggling with gender identity at the time and a server I joined asked for my pronouns. I was really frustrated and put down "whatever you think is true". This person messaged me and after learning of my biological sex he said he considers me a girl. That was a huge relief to me, I didn't have to figure out how to label myself with nothing to go off of. He just took the burden of decidi…
/r/MensRights10/04/20 09:16 PM
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We're aren't an echo chamber precisely because we allow people with opposing opinions to be here. That doesn't mean the echo chamber effect isn't present, just that we mitigate it.
/r/MensRights10/04/20 08:35 PM
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We're enough of an echo chamber as it is. Our policy demonstrates an openness to debate and critique. It is an obvious thing we can point to and say "we are not like them".
/r/MensRights10/04/20 05:03 PM
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The wage gap is real, but it's small enough that's hard to take seriously when feminists blow it way out of proportion and act like it means women are being disadvantaged greatly in every area of society and men are privileged just as greatly. Despite differing pay by sex being illegal and women getting affirmative action in addition. We get more than half again as long of prison sentences for the same crimes. That's a much bigger gap, but "the movement for gender equality" thinks it's irrelevan…
/r/MensRights10/04/20 12:43 PM
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I have been perceived as female online. I recieved more platonic compliments and concern for my wellbeing. It felt very validating.
/r/MensRights10/04/20 12:28 PM
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If anything they are overvalued. There are tons of high school graduates who never go on to read another book or need a calculator to do medium difficulty arithmetic. What was the point of wasting literal years of these people's lives? And the systemic abuses of the public schools and foster care system are as outrageous as their sheer incompetence.
/r/MensRights10/04/20 12:19 PM
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Does it take into account hours worked? Whatever is left after that besides the margin of error probably is due to some kind of prejudice, more likely scattered or unconscious than systematic or deliberately and knowingly sexist. If after all we've done we can't make it go away completely I doubt we could without totalitarianism or transhumanism, to control minds. Note that as men need more food and are expected to pay more expenses sometimes men being paid more may not even be unfair if the wor…
/r/MensRights10/04/20 12:09 PM
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You were mistaken.
/r/MensRights10/04/20 11:52 AM
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We are women's economic servants and baby factories now, but are less appreciated for it then they were, less secure in it, and recieve less compensation for it. The irony is lost on feminists.
/r/MensRights10/04/20 11:50 AM
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This is very much the wrong way to do it but people do need to realize that their own behavior in a relationship can effect how the other person acts in response. I would actually like to see just a little bit of this attitude directed at women, though not the purely sexist wholesale victim blaming. So many women think it's okay to withhold sex in a relationship to assert their dominance over a man. That is a good example of how to drive someone away from you and towards someone else who will fu…
/r/MensRights10/04/20 11:46 AM
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A good man would try to meet all of his woman's needs. The part they leave out is that a good woman would try to meet all of her man's needs too. They don't seem very interested in being good women.
/r/MensRights10/04/20 11:27 AM
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Not the newest, it's generation 3: Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald. Hoenn was the main region for the Game Boy Advance games.
/r/MensRights10/04/20 11:18 AM
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Did she mean literally forcing a man to have sex with her or some stupid feminist definition of rape? Because some things I would want in a relationship would count as rape according to feminists if I were female and regretted it later. Edit: Just read the thread linked below. She is probably a rapist at heart and we are lucky she is too small and cowardly to act on it. Do not allow her around any male who is smaller or weaker than her. And keep her far away from BDSM stuff.
/r/MensRights10/04/20 10:45 AM
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They never claimed false accusers should be imprisoned though, they claimed the accused should be. You're confusing double standards with their underlying prejudices. Bigotry and hypocrisy are different things, they just go well together.
/r/MensRights10/04/20 10:26 AM
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How logical of you to attribute attitudes and beliefs to me that I never exhibited / s But since you brought them up here are my positions: Coke tastes better than Pepsi IMO (it has more bite), but I do not drink soda very often, preferring water. That said this ad did make me want to buy some Coke to support Father's Day by rewarding a company that promotes it. That was not a totally reasonable reaction though, as I don't need all the sugar and caffeine involved. Father's Day does seem to be ce…
/r/MensRights10/04/20 10:16 AM
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Our culture effectively decided that money is more important than family and sex more important than love back in the 60s, thanks in large part to second wave feminism and "women's liberation" from marriage, the idea of romantic commitment, with the implication of raising children and thus specialization due to reproductive differences. Now we have come to find out that first things have to be put first and collectively prioritizing sex and money over love and family naturally results in the ave…
/r/MensRights09/04/20 11:53 PM
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You're welcome.
/r/MensRights09/04/20 11:37 PM
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If you want to prove they aren't for equality then ask them "should a rape victim be believed and the accused sent to prison" or something like that and then when they answer ask "so when a man accuses a woman of raping him she should go to prison then?". If you want people to see the issue logically instead of through the emotional lens of gynocentrism you need to phrase questions gender neutrally and only add gender after they have explicitly stated their position. The less people can hide the…
/r/MensRights09/04/20 11:36 PM
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You mean she right? Should she get a prison sentence, as the accused? That would be the policy they want being applied gender neutrally.
/r/MensRights09/04/20 11:30 PM
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Again, I must point out that attitude contradicts the sub's very premise as explained by their about page. Collectively feminists are astoundingly bad at facts, logic, and fairness in general, and the more radical the feminist faction the more that seems the case. A handful of clear thought and that sub would spontaneously implode.
/r/MensRights09/04/20 11:27 PM
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Tinder toxicity extended directly into the real world to show it's toxic. Why do people not understand you are just meat on that superficial "dating" service?
/r/MensRights09/04/20 11:19 PM
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I don’t get it. That is because you follow logic. Logical people often don't get a lot of things, because those things aren't made by logical people. The more clearly you see the more confusing the world is, as it is driven by people who don't see clearly and resent being asked to.
/r/MensRights09/04/20 11:13 PM
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I just look at their point of view sometimes, because I think shunning any belief system without understanding or engaging can lead to more problems. I wish more people understood this, and I should probably understand it better myself. Learning about and understanding a philosophy doesn't mean you agree with it, in fact you can only disagree properly to the extent you know and understand what you are disagreeing with. Plus even the worst philosophies can be right about some things. Things you m…
/r/MensRights09/04/20 10:54 PM
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I don't think they're liers on this though, for the most part, they've just bought into the lie themselves. Most feminists/allies are very ignorant about what feminism has done in the real world and about the history from before feminism. Hence all the "feminism used to be good, it was about equality before". No, it was about empowering women and to a lesser extent disempowering men, which looks kind of like equality to the extent men are more powerful than women but it's not exactly the same th…
/r/MensRights09/04/20 05:40 PM
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You're very welcome.
/r/MensRights09/04/20 05:14 PM
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Congratulations on your new relationship. Sounds like you found a great woman for you.
/r/MensRights09/04/20 04:51 PM
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Not petty. His vengeance was reasonable in both justification and execution. He decided to be happy and make that information public, she is doing all the hard work of making herself feel bad for him. If his story is true she deserves it.
/r/MensRights09/04/20 04:47 PM
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Thank you for the summary.
/r/MensRights09/04/20 04:33 PM
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Okay, then what did you mean by "the patriarchy, but dumber" if not more dysfunctional versions of the same basic gender expectations?
/r/MensRights09/04/20 04:30 PM
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Tbh I think that in a highly gendered movement about gender like that any statistical differences between the sexes in terms of intelligence and personality will add up because of the usual social group dynamics. And the statistical differences may be slight but the feminine trends seem to support irrationality better, at least in the context of emotional groupthink vs concrete reasoning. Continually reinforce them by constantly favoring females over males in literally everything ever and maybe …
/r/MensRights09/04/20 12:42 PM
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Feminism: all the patriarchal male responsibility and gynocentric female concern of old, now more self destructive on both ends! Men, want patriarchy with no up side? Women, want gynocentrism that is disappointing in the long term? Then try feminism today!
/r/MensRights09/04/20 12:24 PM
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And we have more than our fair share of unstereotypical man-loving (platonically) lesbians. I say we win any hypothetical lesbian character quality contest.
/r/MensRights09/04/20 12:13 PM
1

"you're the pursuer here, you're supposed to buy me one".
/r/MensRights09/04/20 12:04 PM
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An almost stranger literally, physically forced intercourse on you, and did so violently enough to cause you lasting genital injury. Even under the strictest possible definition of rape you were raped, if it is at all applied gender neutrally. That's not even taking into account that you were a minor and she was a legal adult, which makes this rape in a legal sense as much as in a moral one despite you being male. The people who don't take your story seriously are despicable. Instead of showing …
/r/MensRights09/04/20 11:44 AM
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I have a low tolerance for cognitive dissonance I think. Actively illogical thought is usually both difficult and unpleasant for me. I couldn't be a feminist. Too many contradictions.
/r/MensRights09/04/20 11:14 AM
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Yes, because they are literally dehumanizing. "moid" = "male humanoid", not human. "femoid" = "female humanoid", not human.
/r/MensRights09/04/20 02:17 AM
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Men don't do that. I call BS. Most men don't force sex on women, some do. We aren't all angels anymore than they are.
/r/MensRights09/04/20 02:13 AM
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Whatever you feel about what happened is valid. She didn't have a right to touch you like that. The only person who has a right to grab your manhood is the person you choose.
/r/MensRights09/04/20 01:54 AM
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Yes, you were groped without your prior knowledge or consent by what sounds like a complete stranger, on your genitals. Legally this is exactly the same as if she forced you to have intercourse with her at gunpoint since as a male that would only qualify as sexual assault and not the more serious charge of rape. Unless she penetrated your anus or you were a minor while she was a legal adult. Although I'm not exactly a lawyer. Are you alright?
/r/MensRights09/04/20 01:44 AM
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I thought the same thing when I was younger tbh.
/r/MensRights08/04/20 11:10 PM
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From what I understand PUA is more like the male version of FDS. I think the "Red Pill" sub was a fairly close analogue that got banned.
/r/MensRights08/04/20 10:12 PM
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In effect? The philosophy that everyone else should team up against straight white cis men.
/r/MensRights08/04/20 10:05 PM
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My opinion of MGTOW is that it is an inevitable reaction to feminism. Given the great legal and social power a woman will have over you in a relationship not entering one unless you are certain the woman can be fully trusted makes sense, I can see why for many men the potential emotional rewards may not be worth the cost and risks. But I think they should focus on reforming sexual and family laws to make women safe again instead. Full legal and basic social equality is the real solution to the p…
/r/MensRights08/04/20 10:01 PM
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Because it's not about feminism, it's about progressivism, of which feminism is just a part. Feminists try to make it the main part to center it around their priorities. Which is why we have intersectional feminism.
/r/MensRights08/04/20 08:16 PM
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IMO the death penalty should be reserved for murder.
/r/MensRights08/04/20 08:10 PM
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Tbh the Gender Critical sub doesn't seem very gender critical. They seem to think all men have strong personality differences from all women that are highly destructive. That effectively all men are evil but all women aren't as well somehow. Doesn't seem to match their "gender is the mistaken idea that personality is chained to sex" intro.
/r/MensRights08/04/20 08:04 PM
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You're welcome very much.
/r/MensRights08/04/20 04:26 PM
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He calls her a bitch...you call her a lady...and you're the bad guy somehow.
/r/MensRights08/04/20 04:07 PM
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Unless of course the narratives are true, in which case they can withstand some scrutiny.
/r/MensRights08/04/20 03:49 PM
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That is a good quotation though.
/r/MensRights08/04/20 03:46 PM
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There are actually some good arguments for a UBI of some kind. https://www.freemoneyforall.org/ Not to mention that AI is predicted to phase out 40% of current American jobs in the next 20 years. We can't all have jobs any more, and the last thing we need is the majority of people in a poverty trap.
/r/MensRights08/04/20 03:18 PM
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I'm sorry your family is having such a hard time.
/r/MensRights08/04/20 03:04 PM
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Hey, I've been reading this conversation and I like how you are so reasonable.
/r/MensRights08/04/20 02:58 PM
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If feeling masculine is something affirming to you I would recommend The Art of Manliness, it is not MRA or MGTOW but a very positive take on traditional masculinity in western culture. It is the name of a book and a website with other books and resources. I tried that for a while but masculinity is not for me. I'm not very masculine in many ways, I don't generally find masculinity affirming, and in all honesty I don't even like conventionally masculine men. Although traditionally masculinity di…
/r/MensRights08/04/20 01:52 PM
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Feminists =/= women. There are female MRAs. And lots of women want a man to have his way with her, not tame him. Women are diverse.
/r/MensRights08/04/20 01:37 PM
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I hope that works.
/r/MensRights08/04/20 01:28 PM
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Why should we want to be more masculine than we are? By masculinity do you just mean taking care of yourself as an adult? What does this have to do with legal rights or basic social equality?
/r/MensRights08/04/20 01:25 PM
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Not with the prevalence of obesity in our society, no.
/r/MensRights07/04/20 08:18 PM
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That won't really work unless we shape young women too. Women make up the majority of parents, teachers, and romantic or sexual partners for men. And the majority of social scientists, mental health professionals, and voters They are the majority period actually, because men die more. They have much more power to shape the next generation, especially in regard to relations between the sexes. We don't. Relying on the less powerful group in society to change it all on their own is not going to wor…
/r/MensRights07/04/20 08:15 PM
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no one knows where all of the strong, wise, kind, loving and loyal women who just want equality went. The Honey Badger Brigade?
/r/MensRights07/04/20 07:57 PM
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No man wants an obese woman. Someone has forgotten Rule 34.
/r/MensRights07/04/20 07:53 PM
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Women aren't a homogeneous group though. Women today shouldn't have to suffer for the decisions made generations ago. Each person is only responsible for their own choices and the choices they support. Not all of history. Apply the logic one sidedly and you get feminist patriarchy theory. I'd prefer if we didn't develop some gynocentrism theory where all women are effectively responsible for all the bad decisions all women have ever made throughout history.
/r/MensRights07/04/20 07:51 PM
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I like that whole poke a topic with a stick attitude. It's how you see outside the echo chamber effect.
/r/MensRights07/04/20 07:41 PM
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In other words we all need to see each other as whole people regardless of sex, perhaps especially in romantic relationships, where our needs can seem so acute as to obscure the other's value outside of them.
/r/MensRights07/04/20 07:36 PM
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No, objects don't get to decide if they are bought or sold, set or negotiate the price, or go back on a sale that's already been made.
/r/MensRights07/04/20 07:20 PM
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You are correct that either would be equality of the sexes. Although I prefer the other type of equality.
/r/MensRights07/04/20 07:14 PM
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You are over generalizing there.
/r/MensRights07/04/20 07:10 PM
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Only if they are legally considered male. Rights are legal things, only in transgender supporting countries do "transmen" have male rights or lack thereof. However, socially "transmen" suffer similar issues and this does fall within the scope of the men's right movement as well, in a way subordinate to rights.
/r/MensRights07/04/20 07:06 PM
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Psychological issues that lead them to face problems men do. They are potential allies.
/r/MensRights07/04/20 07:02 PM
3

What would you recommend for such a person?
/r/MensRights06/04/20 09:28 PM
1

That's actually a really good explanation.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/20 03:48 PM
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It's alright. I am somewhat familiar with the MGTOW movement through several Discord servers but I wasn't here for the MGTOW sub and I thought this was a good opportunity to ask what happened.
/r/MensRights06/04/20 10:57 AM
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I meant the MGTOW subreddit.
/r/MensRights06/04/20 10:51 AM
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Can someone explain to me why MGTOW got banned? That happened before I joined reddit.
/r/MensRights06/04/20 10:40 AM
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Saving money.
/r/MensRights06/04/20 10:26 AM
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I believe equality is sort of a vague term, as is believe in frankly. I'd rather explain what I believe then try to label it equality or not equality. I believe men and women are more similar than different, we posses a shared humanity that is broader than our sex differences are. I believe that men and women are truly different from each other, we are sexually dimorphic in ways that often create significant differences in functional capabilities. I believe that similarities and differences can …
/r/MensRights06/04/20 10:21 AM
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Okay then, which of us are men? How can we know if we are or not?
/r/MensRights06/04/20 01:28 AM
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They sperg out Stop using my neurology as an insult.
/r/MensRights05/04/20 06:48 PM
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We can't ignore feminism. But I agree we waste too much energy focusing on that movement instead of talking about the issues directly.
/r/MensRights05/04/20 06:43 PM
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Call me old fashioned but I think the clefts of people's butts ought to be covered up in public regardless of their sex or gender.
/r/MensRights05/04/20 02:15 PM
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Anyone who has been hit on and didn't like it is covered, same with people exposed to sexual humor who were uncomfortable with it, from what I understand at least.
/r/MensRights05/04/20 02:01 PM
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Hmm...maybe asking out would be considered "romantic" rather than "sexual" and so be excluded from this (although I have my doubts) and hitting on someone would be counted but not courtship stuff. Idk, I don't trust "sexual" to be kept within reasonable limits when they can't even keep "violence" in them. I would guess anything to do with sexuality will be covered in practice, even the indirect romantic stuff.
/r/MensRights05/04/20 01:58 PM
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It literally means a penis.
/r/MensRights05/04/20 09:54 AM
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The numbers aren't high, but rather low. They define it in such a way that if I wanted to I could truthfully claim to be the victim of sexual violence a dozen times last year. The definition is absurd.
/r/MensRights05/04/20 09:52 AM
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I think everyone ought to be bothered by something like that. That's a threat of sexual violence. Drama queen would be if some guy nicely asked you out one time and then you called it sexual violence. This definition fully allows for that.
/r/MensRights05/04/20 09:45 AM
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The shallowist dating services will get the shallowist behavior. Tinder is structurally designed for toxicity. You are just a piece of meat there. Men aren't very valuable as sex meat.
/r/MensRights05/04/20 08:08 AM
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Prick is not genderless. It's male.
/r/MensRights05/04/20 07:52 AM
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Only almost nothing. The "violence" part is already meaningless but the "sexual" may still be coherent atm.
/r/MensRights05/04/20 07:42 AM
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Understandable or not it is still institutional sexism.
/r/MensRights04/04/20 09:53 PM
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They aren't.
/r/MensRights04/04/20 09:51 PM
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In practice intersectional means they are racist against whites as well as sexist against males. You know how "straight white male" is used as basically a slur now? That comes from people like that.
/r/MensRights04/04/20 09:40 PM
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You're welcome. But I suggest not thinking of the sub as a whole. We're not really very homogeneous. Except in agreeing men have serious problems from being men and that they need to be discussed.
/r/MensRights04/04/20 09:27 PM
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Thank you.
/r/MensRights04/04/20 09:02 PM
1

But with different standards of modesty that are of different degrees of restrictiveness and thus expense and inconvenience. Fair or not it is a right they lack. The only right they lack. There is 1.
/r/MensRights04/04/20 09:02 PM
1

You too.
/r/MensRights04/04/20 08:58 PM
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You can support both men's rights and women's rights. You can't support both men's rights and feminism consistently because feminism is against men having any rights if they conflict with the rights (or privileges) of women.
/r/MensRights04/04/20 06:34 PM
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There are but they are a substantial minority.
/r/MensRights04/04/20 06:04 PM
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You seem to not realize that feminism predates the second wave. I don't know enough to prove anything about custody and I really don't feel like arguing on it either. I don't feel up to debating someone like you at this time. Which doesn't mean either of us is right or wrong. Merely that I am too drained for such a difficult conversation.
/r/MensRights04/04/20 06:03 PM
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Custody was worse? Seriously?
/r/MensRights04/04/20 05:53 PM
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That's literally impossible. Many of the worst things men face are directly caused by feminism. I agree we shouldn't focus on it so much, but we can't never focus on the prime source of our issues. We have to at least some of the time. Bitching doesn't help, but we can't pretend feminism isn't a huge part of the problems men face today.
/r/MensRights04/04/20 05:42 PM
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Yes. Fair is fair. Just make sure you are actually being fair. This guy wasn't a leader in the movement. Some of the worst feminists we point out are international leaders. And frankly I'm suspicious of this article. It doesn't give much hard information but what it does sounds more like PUA than MRA. Given how often MRA, PUA, Incel, and MGTOW are conflated in media even when they don't overlap I'm doubtful of his identity as MRA. Not saying he couldn't be though, there is some overlap between t…
/r/MensRights04/04/20 05:23 PM
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I have feminist friend. I confirm this.
/r/MensRights04/04/20 04:59 PM
2

What's The Crucible?
/r/MensRights04/04/20 04:55 PM
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Wrong. Healthy masculinity is a real thing. Not all masculinity is toxic. Not all men have much femininity by nature and shouldn't have to. Shaming masculine males for their masculinity just because it's masculine is no better than shaming feminine males for our femininity just because it's feminine.
/r/MensRights04/04/20 04:41 PM
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Who was Elliot Rodger? I am unaware of him. What did he do to make us not proud, and why would he be considered a men's rights activist?
/r/MensRights04/04/20 04:31 PM
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Going topless in public.
/r/MensRights04/04/20 04:26 PM
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Much of the ignorance is willful. We all know some ways males are treated more harshly than females. Without any education at all. The only way to not know is to not care about it. Idk what to do about willful ignorance. But calmly spreading true facts or pointing out unfairness can counteract the kind that isn't willfully chosen.
/r/MensRights04/04/20 03:54 PM
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I've been paying attention. And there are different ideas going under the same labels of "toxic masculinity" and "patriarchy". Some of them are inherently misandrist but some are not. Ask her what those labels mean in terms of what she believes.
/r/MensRights04/04/20 03:51 PM
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Idk how people can be so blind.
/r/MensRights04/04/20 03:46 PM
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If she didn't do it then why does it matter in how you treat her?
/r/MensRights04/04/20 03:44 PM
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Many people have been trying to get them to for decades.
/r/MensRights04/04/20 03:43 PM
1

She didn't call us incels. You are imputing the actions of some people onto other people because they share the same sex.
/r/MensRights04/04/20 03:42 PM
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Yes, it is. But they won't face that. They define it in such a way that they can't be racist or sexist. They want to hold us to very high standards of racism and sexism while having none themselves.
/r/MensRights04/04/20 03:39 PM
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If they are sincere then treating them kindly but with truth may win them over. If they aren't sincere then treating them kindly and with truth gives them no ammo. Either way the more hateful or illogical we are the more we lose.
/r/MensRights04/04/20 03:37 PM
1

Then what happened to you is just the logical outcome of currently mainstream progressive ideology. You are a white male. The enemy.
/r/MensRights04/04/20 03:33 PM
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That's cool of you IMO. I don't know how to show sympathy about this in a politically correct way.
/r/MensRights04/04/20 03:26 PM
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Too busy for punctuation? I appreciate your post but some punctuation wouldn't hurt it.
/r/MensRights04/04/20 03:22 PM
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None. The only leverage comes when we act hateful towards them, since that confirms their bias.
/r/MensRights04/04/20 03:19 PM
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Will do.
/r/MensRights04/04/20 03:16 PM
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Some of them are sincere. Not all. But some. At least partially. Attack them for it and you deserve feminism, since you aren't willing to let them change from it.
/r/MensRights04/04/20 03:01 PM
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Shut up and leave the open minded woman in the hate group alone so she can change. She was fed the same lies all of us were all our lives. You can't blame her believing some of it. We all did.
/r/MensRights04/04/20 02:43 PM
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Good advice about how to learn.
/r/MensRights04/04/20 02:22 PM
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If being on this sub and calling myself an MRA meant identifying with and implicitly supporting many powerful people and organization's that go out of their way to make women suffer that would be fair. One of my greatest fears is that the MRM will win and become even more destructive than feminism. But feminism is already there and so I have no choice but the MRM. Nobody else will be my advocate. I respect you as a human being. I respect you for caring about both men and women as other humans. I…
/r/MensRights04/04/20 02:16 PM
2

The men's rights movement is not about equality any more than feminism was. It's about rights for men. When I see MRAs being for men or against women in ways that are untrue or illogical or unfair I consider it horribly destructive.
/r/MensRights04/04/20 01:58 PM
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I am a monogamist. I am for the equal distribution of sex.
/r/MensRights04/04/20 01:48 PM
3

Be aggressive when necessary, but not when unnecessary, and do not ever be violent or seem violent unless you're in imminent danger.
/r/MensRights04/04/20 01:35 PM
7

As a feminist, this subreddit confuses me. I’m not here to hate or disregard your opinions, I’m just curious. I understand that men have problems, just like women do, and that many of these problems are swept under the rug. I have a few questions, though, if anyone is willing to answer. Thank you for recognizing we have problems due to our sex and that these are generally downplayed. And thank you for asking questions and giving us a chance to answer. Do you think that men are oppressed, whether…
/r/MensRights04/04/20 01:21 AM
22

However, a very small percentage of rape allegations are proven to be false. Only a comparable number are proven true either.
/r/MensRights04/04/20 01:03 AM
4

I disagree completely. If committed monogamy were the norm there wouldn't be so many single guys lined up for them to pick from. Or deal with if she doesn't want them.
/r/MensRights04/04/20 12:15 AM
3

Are there legitimate issues? Yes, there are things women face exclusively or disproportionately due to being women that are destructive, unpleasant, or unfair. But they are mostly less common, less intense, or less involuntary than the issues men face as men. And they recieve more sympathy. I would actually like to know more about what women do really face, and how what they face the same effects them differently from us. Just because we are worse off as a group doesn't mean the struggles of peo…
/r/MensRights03/04/20 05:18 PM
1

I would agree, except some of the rules may have been there for good reasons of some kind. Beware of Chesterton's Fence.
/r/MensRights03/04/20 03:10 PM
2

People really need to recognize that the word abuse is getting vague and the confusion is dangerous.
/r/MensRights03/04/20 02:38 PM
3

No, the "reasonable" ones just follow the unreasonable ones. Do you know what happens to the ones that don't? They get thrown out of the movement if they have any influence. If they are lucky. The woman who realized DV is gender neutral and occurs at similar rates? She wanted to include men and her life got repeatedly threatened and her dog was killed by feminists. Decades ago.
/r/MensRights02/04/20 07:15 PM
3

Then why do they insist on making it as legal and safe for women as they feasibly can at all times? Look up made to penetrate. Look up the Duluth model. Look up the number of shelters. All direct actions by feminist leadership in support of rape and violence against men by women.
/r/MensRights02/04/20 06:55 PM
1

Yo. Right here. Show me women face a real problem that is unfair and I will still speak out about it. I've dropped friends for misogyny. I've defended women on this sub. I'm very bitter and disillusioned but I still care some. I still love women. More than men, in general at least.
/r/MensRights02/04/20 06:50 PM
2

Yeah, the trans bathroom debate helped open my eyes to how ingrained misandrist attitudes that view males as sexual predators by default and females as totally harmless no matter what are. Really the transgender debate in general has dragged up and revealed a lot of stuff about how people view sex that wouldn't have been as easy to see otherwise.
/r/MensRights02/04/20 04:31 PM
5

Not always, but it gets closer and closer to always as feminism advances. All the most serious gender inequalities are now male. We're literally second class citizens in many western nations now.
/r/MensRights02/04/20 04:13 PM
1

Wait...we don't have the same rights we used to.
/r/MensRights02/04/20 03:59 PM
3

The use of the term equality just then was rhetorical rather than precise. You are correct, I apologize for being unclear.
/r/MensRights02/04/20 08:06 AM
3

Because of feminism. Female gender expectations used to be just as strict and narrow as ours. They got equality, we got left behind.
/r/MensRights02/04/20 07:16 AM
3

Your assertion that males are smarter depends to a large extent on the apex fallacy. The average IQ difference between males and females is actually fairly slight. The big difference statistically is greater variability in male intelligence. The average is close for both but males are less likely to be average The greater number of highly skilled males is also a product of greater focus on competitive or independent activities, it's not just due to raw intellectual potential.
/r/MensRights02/04/20 07:08 AM
10

Thank you very much.
/r/MensRights01/04/20 11:01 PM
3

Which are just female incels. He was correct. They're incels.
/r/MensRights01/04/20 10:57 PM
1

I know. I don't know how to figure an exact number besides going off the minimal economic opportunity lost during his confinement. This is just the very least they could do. You could easily double or triple that number and that's without taking any more into account except the purely economic opportunity costs.
/r/MensRights01/04/20 10:02 PM
4

8 x 4 x 5 x 52 x 44 = 366,080 8 dollars an hour minimum wage 4 hours a day for part time work 5 days a week so weekends are off 52 weeks in a year for 44 years I figure $355,080 at the very least
/r/MensRights01/04/20 05:07 PM
1

I understand. I am overweight myself and would not want to be with someone this overweight. But I'm going to tell them the same thing I tell myself: lose weight if you are going to be like that, because it isn't fair to reject someone for being unhealthy in the same way that you are.
/r/MensRights01/04/20 04:58 PM
1

Capitalism = Socialism. We live in a post-private business age. Government or corporations, it doesn't matter as much as people think, they both control each other, they are both large and centralized enough to be unaccountable, and they are both basically one system.
/r/MensRights01/04/20 12:21 PM
3

Ghost them. They see you as an animal, at best. You don't need them. They are dangerous.
/r/MensRights01/04/20 12:11 PM
1

In context I was using the term in opposition to blue pill, the lie that we are truly equal or even overall advantaged in gender relations. Incels, PUAs, and MGTOW all realize being male puts you at a number of distinct disadvantages with regard to sex or relationships.
/r/MensRights01/04/20 09:28 AM
2

Worse, adulterer.
/r/MensRights01/04/20 08:53 AM
1

Yep. Nihilistic biological determinism.
/r/MensRights01/04/20 08:45 AM
1

You're welcome. Thank you too.
/r/MensRights01/04/20 08:42 AM
2

Don't call people transphobic just for disagreeing with your position. Accusing people of being irrationally hateful or afraid is not a way to make people agree honestly. It's a form of ideological bullying. If someone is uncomfortable with using pronouns that don't match a self identifying transgender person's sex consider that it may be out of a concern for truth instead of being motivated by hatred or fear and offer to let them use gender neutral pronouns instead. Note: I have experienced gen…
/r/MensRights01/04/20 12:53 AM
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Arousal is largely involuntary. Just because you are aroused by something doesn't mean that you want to be. Force is still force.
/r/MensRights01/04/20 12:42 AM
1

Glad to be American then I guess. We can technically be raped here. As long as she is dumb enough to do anal a woman can be a rapist.
/r/MensRights01/04/20 12:40 AM
2

The movements are different, they overlap some but they aren't at all synonymous with each other. I hate the basic idea of PUA. That doesn't stop me from being MRA. The only commonality is the red pill. We realize we aren't equal. Explanations and solutions differ, in large part due to different goals.
/r/MensRights01/04/20 12:33 AM
0

Idk. I sort of knew Bianca Devins online and she was murdered by someone with incel connections. And I've been around incels, they come across as nihilistic at best. Often they support hateful supremacy of some kind. I had sympathy for incels before I met them. There is by definition nothing wrong with being involuntarily celibate, but the movement around it is toxic.
/r/MensRights01/04/20 12:21 AM
4

There are already two names for it: biologically it is called gynocentrism, culturally it is called chivalry. I may be oversimplifying. There is no name for the child aspect however... But a term for men being good to kids may be great PR for our cause. As might a more positive term for gynocentrism, that was less about complaining that women are more cared for and more about emphasizing that men are caring. A less archaic view or negative judgement of chivalry may also be helpful, but that woul…
/r/MensRights31/03/20 05:01 PM
21

"Male humanoids" It's a slur.
/r/MensRights31/03/20 02:30 PM
2

Anal rape is the one way rape of men by women is legally recognized as rape per say.
/r/MensRights31/03/20 11:55 AM
4

Neither is great in theory, because the definition involves more than it seems like it does at first. They are based on very flawed models of reality and tied to very flawed methods of problem solving, from an egalitarian perspective. The flaws aren't obvious if you aren't good with logic or familiar with their starting assumptions but they become obvious as it gets put into practice and theory gets tested.
/r/MensRights31/03/20 11:19 AM
1

That is troubling.
/r/MensRights31/03/20 11:14 AM
1

Except going topless in public.
/r/MensRights31/03/20 11:00 AM
1

Did he really found it or is this a joke?
/r/MensRights31/03/20 09:39 AM
1

Sorry about your cousin.
/r/MensRights31/03/20 09:38 AM
1

I think that might have something to do with higher health risks being involved. When I go to donate blood there are a lot of gay sex questions to make sure it's okay. Lesbian, not so much.
/r/MensRights31/03/20 09:31 AM
4

There is a range of feminists, from basically decent people who have been misinformed and just don't have enough independent thought to question it, all the way to people who live and breath pure misandry and long for the majority of men to die and the remainder to become hated slaves for the rest of time. If someone identifies as a radical feminist they are likely closer to the extreme end by their own admission.
/r/MensRights31/03/20 08:52 AM
5

"Male humanoid". It is an analogous term to foid ("female humanoid"), coined by incels. Misandrists and misogynists apparently love those words now.
/r/MensRights31/03/20 08:43 AM
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Yeah I know, most women are cross dressers by the standards used for men. It's a giant double standard that gets glossed over with "formerly male clothes are just gender neutral now", which is just a positive feeling restatement of this.
/r/MensRights31/03/20 08:23 AM
2

Many feminists seem to think even the slightest sexism against women is misogyny, even if based on facts and logical or fair, but even the total dehumanization or demonization of men still isn't misandry, even if untrue or nonsensical and totally one sided.
/r/MensRights31/03/20 08:15 AM
1

That's not what the article written by a woman for women that I read said. But she didn't say how she got her data either, that I recall.
/r/MensRights31/03/20 12:55 AM
2

Only like 60% of women get orgasms from intercourse alone. I think it may be possible that might have something to do with this. Men, stimulate her clitoris when you sex your woman up. Women, make sure your man knows if you need more. Don't expect mind reading. And sex him up too. Sexual intimacy is important for emotional bonding. Additionally, research seems to indicate that male's sexuality tends to be primed more visually while female's is more situationally. So men, don't forget the forepla…
/r/MensRights30/03/20 08:06 PM
3

Thank you. That is a much better analogy. I don't play MMOs, so that was probably my problem.
/r/MensRights30/03/20 07:42 PM
1

Entertainment has surprising effects on what we think is realistic. Look up "Reality Is Unrealistic" on TV Tropes.
/r/MensRights30/03/20 06:38 PM
1

That might just be selection bias since being female any same gender collisions (?) you are involved in would be female.
/r/MensRights30/03/20 06:14 PM
3

In other words if girls level up faster it's because their class gets an experience point bonus?
/r/MensRights30/03/20 06:06 PM
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That's a really dumb argument. Female rape victims get aroused too, no matter how you define rape. That's part of why rape feels shameful to a lot of people IIRC. "His dick got hard, it isn't rape" "Her pussy got wet, it isn't rape"
/r/MensRights30/03/20 05:35 PM
1

I see the same logic used for male feminists and getting female attention here all the time. It's kind of annoying. As if no feminists were deluded or misinformed instead of just malicious or manipulative. Just because we disagree with their ideology doesn't mean every single one of them is always moved by the worst motives we can think of. It's pretty insulting as a male too. Falling into the old "men only want one thing" stereotype. By MRAs. I imagine you feel insulted similarly.
/r/MensRights30/03/20 05:27 PM
1

Why hang out with those people if they are as big of jerks as you say? If it's reasonable to say they hate you, people close to you, and total strangers then just leave them. Toxic friends drag you down.
/r/MensRights30/03/20 03:42 PM
3

Except that it isn't even portraying tradcons accurately. What tradcons promote violent video games and pornography? This is based on a very stereotyped view of men, not tradcons. As the final line shows. It's just that the author's reasoning goes women = feminism = left = opposite of right, thus right = men. So the stereotypes of men and tradcons are lumped together here.
/r/MensRights30/03/20 03:32 PM
4

"if [people] were fair, they would stop being unfair to one another, hate one another, and then pretend between them that all that hate makes sense to be directed to [other groups of people]."
/r/MensRights30/03/20 03:18 PM
6

Don't use my neurology as an insult.
/r/MensRights30/03/20 03:08 PM
3

They seem to be operating under the idea that it is unnatural for a male to care about his kid's lives. Or even the wellbeing of the woman he sleeps with. Like we don't ever love them. Evo psych people reduce me to a walking turkey baster full of sperm who is animate only to rape girls or use and then abandon them after.
/r/MensRights30/03/20 02:57 PM
6

Do they have a law criminalizing sex between women too?
/r/MensRights30/03/20 02:47 PM
0

Opinions are mixed on that. Certainly they are associated with healthy eating to many.
/r/MensRights30/03/20 02:38 PM
4

Very little examination of sociological factors. What little there is makes no sense and reinforces gender essentialism. Yet I can just walk into a supermarket toy aisle and see girls get more support in growing up. It's really quite blatant if you think about it. Stereotypical girl things are about using imagination to build skills useful for adulthood. Boy things are not like that. And that's just toys, I'm not even looking at the education system or popular entertainment, where boy shows glor…
/r/MensRights30/03/20 02:36 PM
1

They love "science" and "progress". Corporations drive technological advancement and rapid social change both as a result and as an additional effect. The political left is the social left, and they can't fully oppose corporations because they oppose conservatism and look down on the past as backwards. The past with a more sustainable lifestyle and less corporate rule, with more economic mobility so the poor weren't totally trapped. Both sides of polarization are full of internal contradictions …
/r/MensRights30/03/20 02:06 PM
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I'd rather end the draft altogether.
/r/MensRights30/03/20 01:49 PM
2

Thank you for your apology. I'm tired of them being bullies too.
/r/MensRights30/03/20 01:47 PM
1

The second part explains the first part to an extent. Society has overwhelmingly decided that a women's sexual or financial freedom and subjective comfort are vastly more important than a man's right to ever be a father. In a way if you are fully pro choice then you have little right to complain about child support or child custody being so biased. The logic may actually work in reverse too, so that child support and custody assumptions also justify abortion to many people.
/r/MensRights30/03/20 01:45 PM
2

In that case I would agree. I hate SJWs for hating me and being giant hypocrites about it all the time.
/r/MensRights30/03/20 01:31 PM
1

All I did was correct a factual error. I don't see how that makes me a leftist. Unless I let myself think in terms of neurotypical tribalism.
/r/MensRights30/03/20 01:29 PM
1

1) I'm not a leftist. 2) I don't make a big deal out of my vegetarianism. 3) Still not vegan.
/r/MensRights30/03/20 01:23 PM
1

I didn't do anything like that though.
/r/MensRights30/03/20 01:17 PM
1

You seem to be under the delusion that I'm a leftist.
/r/MensRights30/03/20 01:15 PM
1

First off I never said I was vegan. And secondly why the hell are you being so hostile to me?
/r/MensRights30/03/20 01:11 PM
0

Oh, you mean like telling each other to fuck off for our dietary choices?
/r/MensRights30/03/20 12:33 PM
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"1.) It doesnt conflate MRAs with incels or PUAs like most anti-MRA articles." Good. That's getting pretty annoying. I'm not some male slut or nihilistic biological determinist. The movements are different. We don't make it hard to understand by calling them all the same thing like with feminism and it's factions. Yet they expect us to buy into "that's not real feminism" as they do this.
/r/MensRights30/03/20 05:38 AM
2

Name one single time that a group of feminists or a feminist leader tried to help men or boys in general as distinct from women and girls. Not counting "toxic masculinity" rhetoric with no actionable content except blaming and shaming men.
/r/MensRights30/03/20 05:28 AM
-5

Soyboy is a repeated insult, and vegetarians were insulted once.
/r/MensRights30/03/20 05:24 AM
3

Pressuring men to be masculine or feminine is "opressive'" to men, if that is the only reason it is done.
/r/MensRights30/03/20 05:22 AM
5

You don't have to act better towards women to be a gentleman, being nice to both sexes does that IMO.
/r/MensRights30/03/20 04:08 AM
4

Very much not. I'm against forced sterilization. Many people who were for forced sterilization would have surely sterilized me. I'm autistic.
/r/MensRights30/03/20 01:40 AM
2

It's alright. I've made a similar mistake.
/r/MensRights30/03/20 12:54 AM
2

I didn't say they shouldn't be.
/r/MensRights30/03/20 12:35 AM
6

What does MRDD mean?
/r/MensRights30/03/20 12:35 AM
2

I think in those cases it's fair to say the father caused it, even if the mother chose it.
/r/MensRights30/03/20 12:34 AM
5

I'm of a similar mindset. If I were going to fight in a war I'd have to be damn sure it was for a good reason.
/r/MensRights30/03/20 12:17 AM
26

You must admit it's gotten worse though. Or rather, more open about it's badness. It's very obvious now.
/r/MensRights30/03/20 12:08 AM
1

Add a / s and you get my upvote.
/r/MensRights29/03/20 07:41 PM
1

The people not encumbered by unbalanced footwear.
/r/MensRights29/03/20 07:36 PM
3

I definitely worry about the potential destruction our movement could do to people if it were truly successful.
/r/MensRights29/03/20 07:10 PM
1

I read a good book on male physical health made by Men's Health magazine once. I forget the name of that book though. I borrowed it from a public library several years ago.
/r/MensRights29/03/20 05:40 PM
2

Exactly. Find someone you can nurture and who will nurture you and you will both grow together.
/r/MensRights29/03/20 05:24 PM
1

I have asexual friends. Can verify.
/r/MensRights29/03/20 05:21 PM
1

Depending on what you use the intelligence for and what the ambitions are I think that's great. I don't think I could be fulfilled with a women who didn't want to think or get anything accomplished. I think your attraction to men who are the opposite of that is totally understandable. It makes sense.
/r/MensRights29/03/20 05:13 PM
1

I think great women are also more likely to get away with being great.
/r/MensRights29/03/20 05:03 PM
1

Sadly I believe this is correct. The more the justice system becomes unjust and the more obviously so the more people will start thinking of dealing with things themselves.
/r/MensRights29/03/20 04:49 PM
2

Feeling unmotivated and stifled by the quarantine but otherwise in a pretty good mood for me recently. Thank you for asking.
/r/MensRights29/03/20 04:41 PM
3

It was completely against a man's interests in the 1950s? Marriage isn't much of a real commitment now, at least for women. But that wasn't always the case. I'm talking historically.
/r/MensRights29/03/20 04:35 PM
-1

"by definition they have a severe mental disorder, one so debilitating that they want to surgically alter their bodies to fit their mindsets." Untrue. Many people who self identify as transgender do not have actual gender dysphoria at all. And many do not really want "sex change" surgery, even many with dysphoria don't try to get that done.
/r/MensRights29/03/20 04:32 PM
1

Stop equivocating transgender and intersex. Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome is not transgenderism or dysphoria.
/r/MensRights29/03/20 04:24 PM
1

Okay, but that still means they are women that can see more of men's problems because they live them.
/r/MensRights29/03/20 04:22 PM
3

This comes up a lot actually. If females who identify and present as male "pass" then they will encounter many of the social problems males do from sexism. If males face many social problems from sexism they may identify as female. Both are helped by men's rights if it promotes social sex egalitarianism, and full equality under the law could be beneficial to either depending on legal gender. As far as linguistics go I would say man means an adult human male, except that our society has made reco…
/r/MensRights29/03/20 04:13 PM
3

If men complain they can't get women they are pathetic incels. They are also dangerously entitled. If women complain they can't get men they are just trying to get a basic psychological need met, we ought to have sympathy for them. Could we please treat men the way we treat women in that situation? The double standards are horrible. Why can't we be human beings too?
/r/MensRights29/03/20 12:14 PM
2

"Women can do anything men can do, plus gestate" That idea hurts me very much. It makes me feel very devalued. Makes me feel like garbage for having the misfortune of being born without a womb. So I'm "lesser". Except I also get to be feared and hated for being "stronger", even though it doesn't really mean there is much I can do that women can't.
/r/MensRights29/03/20 12:06 PM
-3

You're reading implications where there are none. I'm saying IF her logic is valid THEN it applies the other way around too.
/r/MensRights29/03/20 11:57 AM
3

A relief. I finally had enough facts and arguments to see everything. Also like a new level of nightmare. I got even more emotional pain. Before this sub I was already hurting about sexism against males and the surrounding hypocrisy enough to give me gender dysphoria. Afterward much of the pain turned to numbness, then rebounded and got worse. It's back to numbness.
/r/MensRights29/03/20 11:55 AM
1

Erections are involuntary. There is no reason you couldn't get hard. Just like with morning wood.
/r/MensRights29/03/20 11:43 AM
-5

I'm pretty sure the men who complain about women around the world are saying similar things too.
/r/MensRights29/03/20 11:39 AM
7

What makes you think it will actually lead there?
/r/MensRights29/03/20 11:36 AM
85

That independence is driven by fear of commitment though. Second wave feminism was also called women's liberation. Guess what they wanted to be liberated from? Marriage. ie: committment.
/r/MensRights29/03/20 11:33 AM
3

Uh, excuse me, we vegetarians are not all feminists thank you.
/r/MensRights28/03/20 03:37 PM
2

Finally, someone gets "I can force you to agree with me just because I'm a minority" and "I can force you to agree with me just because I'm in the majority" are both wrong. If you want me to agree with you then give actual reasons okay? Not barely disguised peer pressure or "I feel that way so it must be true and you should have to feel the same way about that I do".
/r/MensRights28/03/20 03:31 PM
3

I understand that perspective. Most people seem to have a very hard time separating universal, statistical, and individual truths.
/r/MensRights28/03/20 02:59 PM
1

Okay, but that still sounds like an advantage for males/disadvantage for females in certain situations.
/r/MensRights28/03/20 02:09 PM
1

I don't see how that has to do with anything I said. The research is about time spent speaking in relation to formal power and the possible social backlash for women who speak more regardless of such power (which is still an example of male privilege so idk why you'd bring it up). I'm talking about deference or presumption of competence by customers or coworkers, not speaking time or "mansplaining" or whatever. Not sure why I'm getting downvoted on this, several other participants on this sub bo…
/r/MensRights28/03/20 01:34 PM
5

Today's conservatives are just yesterday's liberals/progressives. We've had second wave feminism be mainstream long enough now that few traditional conservatives really disagree with most of it's major tenants or honestly evaluate many of it's major consequences.
/r/MensRights28/03/20 11:57 AM
4

Thank you. Every time I have to fill out gender on a form I get stressed now, and sometimes just hearing masculine pronouns applied to me. "He" used to just refer to facts about my body, or so I thought, now it refers to how people see me as a person thanks to transgenderism. Incidentally my dysphoria developed in reaction to starting to realize the depth and breadth of sexism against males, and of the surrounding hypocrisy. Before I didn't exactly fit in but I could deal. So fighting feminism h…
/r/MensRights28/03/20 12:59 AM
5

You don't have consider yourself proud. Just don't blame everyone like you for what some people like you have done.
/r/MensRights28/03/20 12:55 AM
4

I am a biological male with gender dysphoria who doesn't agree with feminism or transgenderism. How do you think you can help?
/r/MensRights28/03/20 12:51 AM
2

I don't have thick skin. All the SJW hate towards me hurts a lot, honestly.
/r/MensRights28/03/20 12:03 AM
2

I think it might make you a heroine. If you speak out for men you are speaking out for those who can't effectively speak out for themselves. Female men's rights activists are people with rare positive qualities. I really wish some of the men here would stop making demeaning or even hateful comments about women as a whole.
/r/MensRights27/03/20 10:12 PM
-34

Sort of both, depending on the case. In many jobs male colleagues recieve more deference regardless of capability or even position. That's gonna be near impossible to change without serious brainwashing on a very large scale, as it's founded on developmental psychology having to do with men resembling adults more in size and arguably in appearance as well. I think men look strong and authoritative so people think we are and subconsciously this is what drives patriarchy theory even when it makes …
/r/MensRights27/03/20 09:34 PM
1

I disagree. Patriarchal tendencies are not solely reducible to gynocentric tendencies. You make some good points, but your conclusion is incorrect. It is based on an oversimplification and this results in an oversimplification.
/r/MensRights27/03/20 09:24 PM
4

I saw a "honey badger" tattoo parlor and had a moment of false hope. It just had a literal honey badger as the mascot or whatever. Not MRA.
/r/MensRights27/03/20 09:05 PM
1

It isn't relevant to the truth of your statement, only it's purpose. The context makes it seem unnecessary and dismissive. This person's point wasn't about transgender social philosophy, but unrealistic masculine body expectations. They are related in their case I suppose, but not in a way that invalidates the point.
/r/MensRights27/03/20 09:01 PM
1

Well, as glum as things are now if you do still have a good relationship with your daughter than this may be temporary. Once she's no longer a minor she will be allowed to make her own decisions and she can choose to spend more time with you if she wants to. Assuming she has the free time.
/r/MensRights27/03/20 01:03 PM
1

Yes. I would agree with that.
/r/MensRights27/03/20 12:40 PM
4

I'm sorry you can't see your daughter. That sucks, and it is not being a father or mother specifically that makes it suck, it sucks for any loving parent.
/r/MensRights27/03/20 12:35 PM
1

There is definitely feminist ideology overriding what is believable or even entertaining in entertainment. And it is getting worse over time. I am not at all denying that, honestly. I barely watch new TV anymore because I know I will probably see a lot of "social justice" propaganda on there now if I do.
/r/MensRights27/03/20 09:05 AM
2

Feminism has always been there. Hayao Miyazaki is feminist and his works often draw on feminist themes. It's just that Japanese feminism tends to be less antagonistic and thus socially destructive. It's more subtle.
/r/MensRights27/03/20 08:56 AM
2

That may actually be a cultural rather than ideological thing. Not all cultures put the same restrictions on male emotional expression, nor do they all put the same level of emphasis on it either. "Men don't cry" isn't some universal constant of prefeminist cultures or anything. Anime has a tendency towards more emotionally complex characters in general honestly.
/r/MensRights27/03/20 08:52 AM
1

Depends. Does she have superpowers or serious martial arts? Is the guy stupid and slow? Given the nature of fiction, in which impossible things can happen in logical ways and improbable but possible things happen fairly often, an average sized women beating a large man in a fistfight isn't necessarily a denial of biology. A lot depends on how it's portrayed. In unarmed combat any significantly larger opponent should always be portrayed as stronger and tougher, but that's not the same things as "…
/r/MensRights27/03/20 08:41 AM
3

It's alright. You weren't being actively confusing, you just left something out and I didn't know how to fill in the blank. It's fine.
/r/MensRights27/03/20 08:17 AM
5

Ooh. You just mean the hypocrisy all feminists do to all men. You didn't mean anything specific about them and male homosexuality. Okay.
/r/MensRights27/03/20 08:14 AM
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How is that hypocritical?
/r/MensRights27/03/20 08:09 AM
7

Oh yeah, don't use staying at home with each other as an excuse to bring families together. We can't have that now can we.
/r/MensRights27/03/20 12:06 AM
1

Well apparently males have less of a bell curve in the distribution of intelligence. The average for males and females is the same but males are more likely to be higher or lower and females closer to the average. But that's just statistics, not an absolute like I think you were looking for. I don't think there are any absolutes in the sex distribution of mental characteristics, just trends (with the occasional thing only one sex has at a certain level among its members because of those trends p…
/r/MensRights26/03/20 11:15 PM
22

Women do not "create life". They help create life with a man. Both are equal in the creating part, it's just they have a much more direct and necessary role in growing that life into something recognizable. Women bear and nourish, men protect and provide, both conceive. And I'm tired of our reproductive role being ignored or minimized, and nobody realizing that our secondary sex characteristics play reproductive roles like theirs do, but as support. Fathers matter too. Men matter.
/r/MensRights26/03/20 10:11 PM
2

I don't think the jury is out on that number yet, and either way it's a much smaller difference than people used to think it was. Like I said I'm open to the idea there are different distributions by sex of the neurological characteristics that get considered autistic and actually that raises some interesting questions that remind me of the "extreme male brain theory". More than once I've seen autistic males describe the difference between how they think and most neurotypicals think and then a n…
/r/MensRights26/03/20 10:01 PM
2

You're welcome. No problem.
/r/MensRights26/03/20 09:02 PM
1

sigh Just once I'd like to see marital duty not gendered like this.
/r/MensRights26/03/20 08:53 PM
1

By lowering the number of male deaths. Not raising the number of female ones.
/r/MensRights26/03/20 08:47 PM
3

Idk how to answer that, since many billionaires and corporations support feminism.
/r/MensRights26/03/20 08:46 PM
1

Totally true. Still, it wouldn't hurt to throw a weasel word in there, "many women". Generalizations are fine as long as they're accurate. But stating them as absolutes leads to confusion.
/r/MensRights26/03/20 08:34 PM
2

To lose gracefully shows virtue and can help you learn how to win. So good advice.
/r/MensRights26/03/20 08:31 PM
2

Please don't use dick or prick as insults, or pussy, or cunt. These are terms of mild misandry and/or misogyny. They don't help us.
/r/MensRights26/03/20 08:29 PM
2

Thank you. Ladies are wonderful. They are women or girls of kind and noble character, like gentlemen with men and boys. Not all women are ladies.
/r/MensRights26/03/20 08:26 PM
1

Look up the gender paradox of suicide. Researchers think women attempt suicide more often but that men die more from it anyway.
/r/MensRights26/03/20 08:07 PM
2

Feminists are powerful. They shape public policy and social census.
/r/MensRights26/03/20 08:06 PM
4

Could some form of anesthetic be used?
/r/MensRights26/03/20 07:44 PM
5

I've actually seen a similar argument used to support abortion. In Opposing Viewpoints: Abortion.
/r/MensRights26/03/20 07:40 PM
1

How can men be held responsible if the hate they learn comes a woman, who make up the majority of parents and teachers thanks to feminism? We must hold feminists responsible for this destruction!
/r/MensRights26/03/20 06:54 PM
1

Pretty sure he is a feminist. Or "male feminist ally" or whatever. He'd have to have drank the patriarchy theory kool aid 100% in order to have this amout of misandry internalized inside him.
/r/MensRights26/03/20 06:19 PM
2

So the straight men are being beaten by their husbands?
/r/MensRights26/03/20 06:11 PM
1

Uh, the idea that males are autistic more often is usually exaggerated. There may be some different neurological tendencies in this regard but most of the difference in diagnosis rates seems to be down to social and medical bias which favors and disfavors males and females in different ways. I wouldn't say either of us is "more effected" either way because no matter what being autistic in today's society sucks even if you have no intellectual impairment or neurological comorbidities ('if you're …
/r/MensRights26/03/20 06:05 PM
1

Okie dokie. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_sexual_orientation#Australia
/r/MensRights26/03/20 05:33 PM
1

I actually agree. Not with blaming the little guys more than the ones on top, and obviously this doesn't apply in the case of a draft, but in general being a soldier or supporting soldiers without some kind of ethical limitation is the same thing as supporting war. I'm not really very patriotic. One thing we need to look at though is that many young men have little choice but to join the military to get comparable levels of economic and social support to that which young women recieve.
/r/MensRights26/03/20 05:23 PM
1

How?
/r/MensRights26/03/20 05:19 PM
1

90+% of people are heterosexual. So at least every 9 out of 10 of those domestic abuse cases is one where an abuser is female. At 40% that would mean roughly 36% are women or 3.6 out of every 10. The numbers and analysis are flawed though, because most domestic violence is reciprocal. As such it isn't an issue of men or women, it's an issue of men and women. Most victims are abusers and vis versa regardless of sex.
/r/MensRights26/03/20 05:13 PM
2

Not actually. Apparently like 70% of DV is reciprocal and like 70% of reciprocal is started by women (and maybe like 70% of non reciprocal is too, I don't remember clearly atm) but that doesn't add up to men being 70% of victims total because any reciprocal DV will mean both people are victims. Reciprocal means the statistics overlap a lot and lower the zero sum percentage of male victims.
/r/MensRights26/03/20 05:08 PM
1

Well any victim is going to either be clearly male, clearly female, intersex, or transgender. Considering intersex and transgender take up less than 5% of the population put together that means obviously the majority of the remainder will be women.
/r/MensRights26/03/20 05:04 PM
1

Not the domestic violence one though.
/r/MensRights26/03/20 05:00 PM
1

Even though men are the majority victims in every kind of violence where there is a clear and significant majority in the contemporary western world.
/r/MensRights26/03/20 04:59 PM
3

Yes. One that fails simply because you can't go through with it. You did attempt to pull the trigger. But couldn't make yourself do it. Self preservation instincts can be pretty strong. Makes suicide hard.
/r/MensRights26/03/20 04:57 PM
2

I think it meant for the same crimes. Not the average man vs the average woman, but the average criminal man vs the average criminal woman. Its talking about the sentencing gap.
/r/MensRights26/03/20 04:55 PM
1

Not just biological advantages. Sociological disadvantages too. The theory is called "Battered Husband Syndrome". And woman likely kill their children more simply because they have more access to them and are often judged much less for doing so. Which is probably in part from being expected to take care of them more, which in a modern context can disadvantage both sexes depending on the situation. I can't imagine Autism Speaks advertising a father killing his son IRL as being sympathetic instead…
/r/MensRights26/03/20 04:53 PM
1

Yeah, it's patently ridiculous if you know the facts, but most people don't because the feminist leaders deliberately hide them and then everyone buys into their narrative.
/r/MensRights26/03/20 04:45 PM
1

Don't. Not around feminists. That would just reinforce patriarchy theory in their minds. Those wouldn't be men's achievements to them. It would be achievements withheld from women instead.
/r/MensRights26/03/20 04:43 PM
1

"Sexist pigs" is very apt for feminists in light of Animal Farm. "all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others"
/r/MensRights26/03/20 04:40 PM
6

Yeah, I realized there is plenty of totally unfair sexism against males way before I discovered the MRM. Some people are more aware of what's going in society, or more thoughtful about it, or just less susceptible to brainwashing. Any movement based on facts, logic, and fairness can win over those people if they come across it.
/r/MensRights26/03/20 04:37 PM
2

Soldiers don't generally start wars, they carry them out. This is like blaming the geeter at Walmart for corporate HQ's policy decisions.
/r/MensRights26/03/20 04:29 PM
1

I'm wondering if these conclusions are at all meaningful for today's world. If the number of female rulers vs male rulers is skewed enough the sample size might be too small to draw any major inferences and these are societies with clearer and stricter expectations for women so there are differing social factors. I think restricting an analysis to post feminist societies might be more useful for predicting trends.
/r/MensRights26/03/20 04:28 PM
1

Makes sense to me. Flip it around. Who are you more likely to listen to: some woman, or the woman you are always sleeping with?
/r/MensRights26/03/20 04:23 PM
3

Idk. There are more kinds of power than the financial, but both sexes can hold any of them so whatever.
/r/MensRights26/03/20 04:20 PM
1

Yeah, a friend referred to males as moids the other day and said male sexuality disgusts them. That hurt. The golden rule is often a good approximation of more precise ethical principles. It's a pretty good guideline.
/r/MensRights26/03/20 04:19 PM
5

Disapproving of someone's behavior or disagreeing with someone's beliefs are not necessarily the same things as hating or fearing them. Idk how we got to the point where that needs to be spelled out, but I'm glad there are still some people with whom civil discourse and peaceful coexistence are possible.
/r/MensRights26/03/20 04:16 PM
1

What "men"? Gender critical is supposed to mean personality characteristics and sex are weakly correlated prior to socialization and not completely even afterward. Implying gender as a social construct is not a very good description of objective reality. Their about page lays this out, but somehow it only applies to the extent necessary for, ironically, keeping people in a gender box. They just don't want their selves to be in a box. They don't care if others are still trapped in one and even tr…
/r/MensRights26/03/20 05:56 AM
3

That's the thing: there actually is logic in a gender critical position, within certain limits. But then they go totally illogical in the opposite direction and don't even notice. It amazes me how people can be smart enough to understand complex abstract ideas and then only use them to support some stupid agenda that contradicts them when put into practice.
/r/MensRights26/03/20 05:50 AM
2

I haven't thought much about either. I'm young enough I haven't had to have a prostate exam, and it's not like women talk to me about what they do at the gynecologist. All I know is invasive checkups in your body cavities don't sound fun. Now I'm imagining how they compare and I think going to be sick.
/r/MensRights26/03/20 02:14 AM
1

The metoo movement has lead to women not getting jobs, not getting promotions, and not getting to interact with their coworkers like before because they have made it so obviously dangerous for men to interact with women that men are treating women as the threats they are. If you could lose your whole career and reputation on a man's word in the office just cause he felt like it and there were no repercussions for him wouldn't you avoid men a lot? Turns out you can only mistreat any group of peop…
/r/MensRights26/03/20 01:56 AM
2

Being tall and having large genitalia are genetic traits. It doesn't really matter what philosophy you adopt, you would always have them. If I were a feminist I wouldn't be shorter or something.
/r/MensRights26/03/20 12:34 AM
1

I think it has as much to do with being uncomfortable as anything. Having a stranger stick something up your butt isn't everyone's cup of tea. Shouldn't that be obvious?
/r/MensRights26/03/20 12:32 AM
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Right, but how do you think in such strong and blatant contradictions? All the time, constantly, nonstop? I'd die of cognitive dissonance.
/r/MensRights25/03/20 11:39 PM
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I really don't understand how you can use the idea that gender isn't real only sex to create a gender role system of supremacy to celebrate people of one sex dying for a movement in the name of equality. The lack of logic is astounding, especially considering the amount needed to understand a gender critical framework about sex. Seems they only see gender as not real as an excuse to hate on males. Somehow, idk how that follows. I think it's just reactionary to trans. Their about page explicitly …
/r/MensRights25/03/20 10:41 PM
0

Equality isn't a belief claim though, it is an abstract value, it can't be true or false due to the is-ought barrier. Unless you take equality to mean males and females are equal in ability, which is obviously false if taken as a strong trend in many areas. Doesn't stop feminists from using it selectively and then saying women are better than men at many things if it suits them. I would add a corollary law here: Anything feminists claim, they also claim the opposite if that could also advantage …
/r/MensRights25/03/20 08:56 PM
1

Well, yeah. I thought I used enough weasel words to get that across though.
/r/MensRights25/03/20 08:32 PM
1

Promise of sexual rewards in the afterlife for killing people doesn't count as an extreme form of religion?
/r/MensRights25/03/20 08:19 PM
1

Okay, how does the first part connect to the second part though?
/r/MensRights25/03/20 08:15 PM
2

If you squint his point may actually still apply partially. School shooters might be moved by sexual frustration as part of the social exclusion that motivates some of them, and Muslim suicide bombers are expecting to be rewarded with 40 virgin brides (who are also translucent giantesses, look it up). So in a sense these acts may be driven in part by women, or rather by the desire for them.
/r/MensRights25/03/20 08:04 PM
1

I agree. Focusing on individual acts of misandry is mostly nonproductive, especially if they are only implicit. They are just symptoms and nobody but us would see them as more than scattered data points because they don't see the framework. Only the systematic or institutional stuff will open closed eyes.
/r/MensRights25/03/20 07:57 PM
10

I don't actually have a problem with it as long as it's even. Some people don't care much for holidays and commemorative events, others love them.
/r/MensRights25/03/20 07:48 PM
11

That is disturbingly disingenuous.
/r/MensRights25/03/20 07:46 PM
7

Men are also significantly more likely to be the victims of non reciprocal domestic violence and less likely to be the initiators of reciprocal domestic violence.
/r/MensRights25/03/20 07:41 PM
5

Those were not advisers to female rulers, they were male rulers. The people you reference are not relevant to the point you are making.
/r/MensRights25/03/20 07:32 PM
3

Ending the draft would also be applying the law equally. We could both have equal liberty instead of equal coercion.
/r/MensRights25/03/20 02:56 PM
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Notice a theme there: they want a man who is more powerful and dominant than themselves, particularly in ways suggesting that he can protect and provide for them should he love them and expressing a broad masculinity. Yet men are blamed for all those things now, even just the loving part in some ways, mainly from feminism. Feminism confuses women about what they want and what is realistically needed to have it, and how to make that exchange fair and thus sustainable over time.
/r/MensRights25/03/20 01:11 PM
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How is this a good thing? More people being forced into giving up years or even risking their lives for some politicians to protect their establishment's interests even if it means unnecessary killing and we celebrate it because "you should suffer too, that's more fair"?
/r/MensRights25/03/20 12:56 PM
1

Wait, they tell you to get circumcised after knowing you aren't? I thought they just wanted to know before sleeping with you.
/r/MensRights25/03/20 04:45 AM
1

Well, you kind of have to talk with them to know if they're bad sometimes.
/r/MensRights25/03/20 04:42 AM
2

No thanks. I think any definition for a whole social movement is bound to be inaccurate on some level. The broader the range of things it touches on the more inaccurate. Else you are going to give a definition that is vague and too open to interpretation to use practically. Like "feminists are for gender equality".
/r/MensRights25/03/20 12:51 AM
1

Preagricultural cultures are generally preliterate cultures. They did not have written historical records and thus do not make up much of human history even if they make up the vast majority of human existence over time. History is a specific discipline or distinct field of study. I'm pedantic, I know. But I think confusing methods of attaining knowledge leads to confusion about what is or is not actually known vs just speculated. As for the rest of what you said it's a good point and I'm afraid…
/r/MensRights25/03/20 12:17 AM
1

Too bad, I'd like to see if the other sex is thinking like we do on a similar issue.
/r/MensRights24/03/20 11:00 PM
2

:( Some people want power just for power's sake and don't care if they have to tear others down to get or maintain it.
/r/MensRights24/03/20 10:11 PM
1

Well, "survived" is a bit questionable. People in cities died so much during the middle ages that they had to keep importing citizens from rural areas to maintain their population instead of declining. The cities were where the majority of tradesmen and merchants lived.
/r/MensRights24/03/20 09:55 PM
2

Well we've all been lied to all our lives. It's not like the women folk weren't feed the same nonsense we were. Maybe some were for taking gender study classes or other forms of feminist recruitment, but for the most they are dealing with the same gender zeitgeist as us.
/r/MensRights24/03/20 09:44 PM
2

Oh, I see.
/r/MensRights24/03/20 09:37 PM
2

I think it'd be interesting if they did a study on breast size preferences for longterm relationships in comparison to causal sex. I'd imagine it matters less for selecting a marriage partner than for a quick fling just for kicks. It'd be interesting to see how that study compares to a similarly designed one about penis size preferences in women too, but since bulges aren't as obvious as boobs it might be less significant.
/r/MensRights24/03/20 08:41 PM
0

Uh, if she's your sexual partner it is her business.
/r/MensRights24/03/20 08:33 PM
1

If smoking makes such a big difference then I'm a bit worried for my family since all of them smoke cigarettes, marijuana, or both. I've tried to get my grandma to quit but she says it's all she gets to enjoy since having a seizure.
/r/MensRights24/03/20 08:27 PM
1

Yes, but that would violate the sitcom rule of always maintaining the status quo.
/r/MensRights24/03/20 08:19 PM
2

What animated movie? I don't think I have enough information to understand what's going on.
/r/MensRights24/03/20 08:11 PM
1

Some women are more selfish, some are more selfless, and they aren't always consistent on it. It's not really different from men. Gynocentrism is real but it's not some all powerful psychological force that makes women inhuman. Feminism just encourages it like crazy while neutralizing the natural balancing force of patriarchy. Neither is inherently selfish, they are just summaries of sets of instinctual tendencies that in a state of nature allow us to work together for our mutual benefit. Sex di…
/r/MensRights24/03/20 08:09 PM
1

That wouldn't do much good, we've already exported our technology and social systems globally. For any problem originating in or excessively present in western civilization to be eliminated or brought down to normal levels through extermination or societal collapse you would have to take out a huge chunk of existing nations. Not just the western ones, but all the westernized ones just as well.
/r/MensRights24/03/20 07:54 PM
1

Actually through much of history most men worked on family farms. It's only in partially preagricultural or largely postindustrial societies where what you say was the norm.
/r/MensRights24/03/20 07:48 PM
0

I know nobody said that. But pardon me for thinking somebody might and preempting them. I've been repeatedly called transphobic for saying I personally disapprove of plastic surgery without saying anything about forcing anyone to agree and with the context not saying anything about transgender. Trans activists can be pretty crazy.
/r/MensRights24/03/20 06:59 PM
2

Well, if you payed to have all those tattoos done you'd want people to see them to so the pain and money isn't wasted right?
/r/MensRights24/03/20 06:54 PM
1

Exactly, men can't get pregnant or nurse. We are less capable and thus inferior.
/r/MensRights24/03/20 06:52 PM
2

Yeah, puberty does a number on you. Before that we're a lot more similar in our builds. Damn androgens. lol.
/r/MensRights24/03/20 06:50 PM
14

Autistic monotheist MRA club. lol.
/r/MensRights24/03/20 06:46 PM
1

I have no idea why some people think having friends or even looking at the opposite sex means you are thinking about, much less wanting to cheat on them. But it's common.
/r/MensRights24/03/20 06:44 PM
1

Honestly the fact is you sound physically attractive and it's quite possible you got more of this overly possessive behavior because your girlfriends were insecure due to your good looks.
/r/MensRights24/03/20 06:40 PM
1

Just have your partner oogle you.
/r/MensRights24/03/20 06:36 PM
1

Not if their boyfriends have wandering eyes IMO.
/r/MensRights24/03/20 06:34 PM
2

Disgusts me as a male that some people act like all woman are. I think your own gender doing something bad to the other always feels worse for decent people to some degree. Like an insult on your honor as a man or a woman.
/r/MensRights24/03/20 06:31 PM
1

lol. I'm only more powerful in a fistfight or a wrestling match. I think a lot of women look at men and see that we're stronger and then translate that into some kind of general social power or think it means we're more likely to use it against them for some reason. Truth is that physical strength is only a big advantage in melee combat or hard labor and unless you have certain specific careers that doesn't mean much in our postindustrial western societies.
/r/MensRights24/03/20 06:23 PM
1

Better: find out what she thinks of men's rights with regard to sex and it's consequences before sleeping with her, and that you can trust her on it. Yeah, you won't get to have casual sex or rely on chemistry but you can still date US/UK women. You just need to screen them for basic decency and make sure they're safe to be in a relationship.
/r/MensRights24/03/20 06:10 PM
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Idk, the message seems sound to me and I'm pretty critical of transgenderism. The people being mean are just being judgmental. It's not about relevancy to the issue. A lot of people just like to put others down to try and lift themselves up. Be nice to people who self identify as transgender, whether they are male or female they are still people and should be treated well on the basis of their humanity. Disagree all you want, you don't have to be mean to them to do it. If you don't feel comforta…
/r/MensRights24/03/20 05:53 PM
1

And males have more muscle. I don't recall the percentage. We're build a bit differently, each sex having a different amount and distribution of both fat and muscle.
/r/MensRights24/03/20 05:44 PM
1

Thing is, he doesn't have to "acknowledge their gender" to include them because anyone should be welcome here who supports males having full legal and basic social equality. It shouldn't matter what your sex, gender identity, sexual orientation, or whatever is as long as you think males shouldn't be treated in ways we would call injustice for those in other involuntary demographics. If that's not why you're here then I wish you'd just leave us alone, because some of us aren't here for masculine …
/r/MensRights24/03/20 05:36 PM
3

Exactly. The idea that "transmen" can't be MRAs is even more absurd than the idea that women can't. Justice is not a concept limited to those advantaged by it, and transmen actually are in this. I don't see why you have to be mean to someone or dismiss their point just because you think that their identity is built on false premises. That's exactly the same as religious intolerance and it exacerbates conflict.
/r/MensRights24/03/20 05:26 PM
1

And? Does that somehow invalidate the actual point?
/r/MensRights24/03/20 05:18 PM
1

You seem real nice, and yeah, from everything I hear Tinder is very shallow and it leads to lots of "toxicity". You're meat there. But as a supportive woman please do not give us this as a safe space. This isn't just a men's retreat or something, it's a political and social discussion group. Leave us alone and we'll suffer the echo chamber effect like every movement does. I understand if you don't want to be here for your own reasons, but if you sincerely care about men than we shouldn't feel th…
/r/MensRights24/03/20 05:16 PM
1

"We are not blessed like women and have a path of purpose carved out for us by nature, which is raising a child." 😡 Yes we do. Which is also to raise a child, it's just not as direct and obvious. All that size and strength is there to protect and provide for a woman and the children she bears and nourishes. Men have muscles so we can be fathers. It's to make up for the weakness and vulnerability that comes to our partners when they get pregnant and nurse because we have sex and thus children tog…
/r/MensRights24/03/20 05:07 PM
1

If you are uncomfortable with your body getting in shape can make it easier to cope with sometimes. It's complicated for gender dysphoria because your body may exhibit a more naturally masculine or feminine look when it's in shape and that could offset the benefits if you don't want to look like your sex, but if your body feels good and you take care of it then it's harder to hate your body.
/r/MensRights24/03/20 04:59 PM
1

Gotta love the kiddos, even after they start growing up. I think a big mistake a lot of parents make is not thinking about the fact that their kids will grow up, and that they start doing so faster than most parents like to think about. You can't hold on to your child forever, trying to do so only breeds resentment or holds them back. Instead love your child for the adult they will be one day and help them grow into the best person they can. Don't keep them in your life as a child, be there for …
/r/MensRights24/03/20 04:48 PM
1

If I had a daughter I'd be protective, but mainly by teaching her to make good choices and maybe screening the boys she dates for problems she doesn't see herself yet. I wouldn't be hostile towards a boyfriend who shows proper regard for her, and me and her mother as her parents. A boy wanting to have sex with my daughter is not a problem, he's a potential son in law. Incidentally I'd have a similar attitude with a son. If some girl tries to take advantage of him I'd have a similar reaction to i…
/r/MensRights24/03/20 04:37 PM
2

I can't imagine being naked in a public bathroom and not locking the door. I get nervous using the toilet in a stall because the doors and walls are too small for privacy. I'm always afraid on some level that someone will, probably accidentally, see me.
/r/MensRights24/03/20 04:21 PM
1

I'd say they are both to blame.
/r/MensRights24/03/20 04:19 PM
1

Masculinity and femininity can be cultural was well as biological. And there is nothing inherently wrong with criticizing the associations surrounding sex in your culture. As long as you aren't dumb enough to confuse your culture with biology or equate men with masculinity and women with femininity.
/r/MensRights24/03/20 04:03 PM
1

Everything I hear about India in regards to gender relations sounds really messed up. There are whole MRA groups just about India so apparently it's really bad for men, and then I hear there a large number of rapes of women so it doesn't seem like all sunshine on that end either. I think I may be grateful that I don't live over there. As I understand it a lot of the problems come from Westerners exporting feminism to a culture even less able to handle it.
/r/MensRights24/03/20 03:42 PM
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A huge amount of people on both side of the overall political spectrum are like that. It drives me crazy. "When we do it it's not wrong because we're right so it's fine." Hypocrisy is very common.
/r/MensRights24/03/20 03:27 PM
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Well, there is the neurodiversity movement. That's something.
/r/MensRights24/03/20 03:25 PM
1

I disagree with this part: "Women are physically inferior than men on average". Being less capable in one way doesn't mean you have inferior capabilities overall. Women can get pregnant and nurse, they are more capable than men in that way. Doesn't mean I'd appreciate being called inferior for it. It's demeaning. Other than that insensitive word choice I basically agree with you. Total equality is not possible because people are different, nor is it desirable as most people don't want to be trea…
/r/MensRights24/03/20 03:00 PM
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I don't even like masculinity as defined by our culture. I admit most guys here are like that though. Most MRAs are very prochoice, I get treated as crazy here for what you say is a common position among us, being prolife. Nice racism there guys, apparently being white is so bad it taints political and social opinions by association now. I received plenty of hugs as my mother is quite affectionate. I don't blame a gender, unless by gender you mean social roles and not sex. Either way I blame eve…
/r/MensRights24/03/20 02:32 PM
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Who the hell is blaming all women here?
/r/MensRights24/03/20 12:57 PM
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You don't want to blame rapists? You don't want to blame rape apologists? What's wrong with you? Some of what we are talking about is actual forced sex against your will, sometimes to actual children. These stereotypes aren't just sexism, they ruin people's lives. Saying to help male victims without blaming the perpetrators (women) or those who advocate and lobby for them (feminists) while blaming males for spreading the idea that they always want it is just "men bad, woman good, you no blame". …
/r/MensRights24/03/20 12:37 PM
1

I was born like a month premature. Everyone explicitly saying it's a women's choice until birth or implying that by citing bodily autonomy without limitations is saying it's okay to kill people exactly like I was weeks after birth. A full pro-choice position is like infanticide and there is no way around that with facts and logic.
/r/MensRights24/03/20 12:24 PM
2

Feminists being inconsistent? What a shocker!
/r/MensRights24/03/20 12:14 PM
1

Nice denial of basic science there. Women ARE physically weaker, or put the other way around men are physically stronger, all else being equal. It is a very strong trend in statistics, and consists of two phenomena that stack in effect: being larger overall, and having greater proportional muscle mass. Denying men have greater size and strength is like denying women have wombs and breasts. It's false and devalues our sex differences.
/r/MensRights24/03/20 12:06 PM
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I was hoping to have a job where I work from home so I could stay with the kids, but life didn't go the way I was expecting unfortunately. Now I'm unemployed, uneducated, single, and emotionally broken. Maybe some day, if I can manage to get myself pulled together. But I definitely understand wanting to stay home with the children and take care of them in a lot of ways. What I don't understand is wanting a career instead of that honestly. Unless it's something you truly love or that truly helps …
/r/MensRights24/03/20 02:31 AM
2

Uh, yeah. Those preference tendencies are implications of basic reproductive differences.
/r/MensRights24/03/20 02:18 AM
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I didn't even know that slur applied to lesbians.
/r/MensRights24/03/20 02:16 AM
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I sure am. They however, are not. They don't want to know the men deeply and commit to them fully. Just leverage their advantages in pursuit of sex, as well as money. They're like female pick up artists.
/r/MensRights23/03/20 11:22 PM
1

I'm autistic and this is how I've thought about it for a long time. Never learned any programming.
/r/MensRights23/03/20 11:14 PM
1

You're welcome.
/r/MensRights23/03/20 09:48 PM
2

Thank you, this has been helpful to me. I have so little hope these days, I've gone through too many things in the same time period in life. It makes it hard to be a good person as my idealism is very damaged and all my emotions used up. Seeing someone being decent to an outside group without treating their own unfairly is restorative I think. I apologize for being bitter, for stopping being that person. 😭
/r/MensRights23/03/20 09:46 PM
1

I think you meant to say impossible there.
/r/MensRights23/03/20 09:39 PM
1

The difference doesn't look big enough to emphasize gender to me.
/r/MensRights23/03/20 05:13 AM
2

He doesn't even seem bad looking.
/r/MensRights23/03/20 05:10 AM
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I'm sorry your ex was so horrible to you. I'm crying right now for you. I wish people would stop hurting each other for so little reason. So many people want to hurt others just to exert power over them. You are a good woman and a good person for overcoming not only the propaganda against men but also the trauma of your own life.
/r/MensRights23/03/20 04:35 AM
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Interesting. I was only talking about specific societies from the relatively recent past. I don't remember the details though, as I don't think of anthropology much. What you said about the earliest records sounds fairly equitable though, with men doing the part that requires the most strength, women doing another part and both working together on a third. Considering most of the young women would be pregnant or nursing that seems pretty fair.
/r/MensRights23/03/20 04:09 AM
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That's the main thing. Never marry, date, or even have sex with feminists. Screen them out.
/r/MensRights23/03/20 04:04 AM
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Male: does nothing, not allowed around children because he can be stereotyped as a child molester. Female: stabs someone in front of a child for no reason, gets out of jail so she can take care of the child. Why would you be surprised by the second double standard if you aren't surprised by the first one?
/r/MensRights23/03/20 03:59 AM
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In all fairness we still have one right they don't: we can go topless. Not inside most stores or at most jobs so it's a right that is both limited and largely inconsequential, but we do have one legal option they don't. There feminism, I gave you a win. Patriarchy theory is saved.
/r/MensRights23/03/20 03:53 AM
1

That in and of itself makes me sad.
/r/MensRights23/03/20 03:49 AM
1

Interesting that even in a hypothetical world we have a hard time conceiving of him getting equivalent leeway for parenting instead of his career.
/r/MensRights23/03/20 03:47 AM
1

Why not both?
/r/MensRights23/03/20 03:40 AM
1

He makes some good points but pushes them too far I think. Particularly since he addresses what some women do as if all women do it but then treats what some men do as to be dismissed. That's probably closer to the truth today than the opposite, but maybe because of lots of incentizes rather than the innate nature of the sexes. I don't think the binary "men need sex, women don't" is true either. Men have higher libidos on average and are generally expected to be the pursuers, but that doesn't me…
/r/MensRights23/03/20 03:32 AM
1

I don't want women's reproductive contribution to be devalued the way men's have. But I'm probably alone in how I feel about reproduction.
/r/MensRights23/03/20 02:23 AM
2

Sources please.
/r/MensRights23/03/20 02:19 AM
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Sources please. In the absence of them this comes off as misogyny. Also I doubt it's truly "almost all".
/r/MensRights23/03/20 01:57 AM
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Overblown yes, false no. I'd like to see the amount of unfairness towards women diminish here, but it's hard when many of us are fuelled by red pill rage from waking up to the nightmare and disillusioned with egalitarianism after realizing how little our equality matters too and for some of us how the facts don't support it. For me personally I am struggling to know what or how much of my former system of beliefs and values to hang on to in the face of contrary evidence and crushing quadruple st…
/r/MensRights23/03/20 01:55 AM
1

Honestly? We need range voting to get rid of the "lesser of two evils". https://rangevoting.org/
/r/MensRights23/03/20 01:47 AM
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Yes, I expect individual women to equal individual men when given equal opportunities. If as a group they don't I'm going to assume there is a reason beyond being barred from participating. The biggest one probably has less to do with ability than inclination. It seems women just want to do the sorts of jobs we are talking about less often then men do. That could be for subtle reasons of socialization, subtle psychological differences due to differing neurology, subtle effects of reproductive bi…
/r/MensRights23/03/20 01:39 AM
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In many societies the women tended crops while the men went off and hunted or made war. I wouldn't be surprised if in those societies women did more to innovate agriculture since they were the ones doing more of it. But arguing who invented what in preliterate cultures seems futile.
/r/MensRights23/03/20 01:30 AM
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I'd argue that's a matter of degree rather than kind. Modern machines are just more complicated and artificial ways of harnessing nature.
/r/MensRights23/03/20 01:27 AM
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Me too. Hypocrisy drives me crazy. Unfortunately I've been so bitter lately from being exposed to so much of it while having no good coping mechanism that I've probably done a lot of it myself.
/r/MensRights23/03/20 01:25 AM
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What evidence is there for that? Wouldn't the invention of agriculture be almost by definition prehistorical and thus not recorded to where we could know for sure? The argument would have to be archeological interpretation right? I'm sure women invented or discovered a lot of agricultural techniques but the idea that they definitely found out all the major early ones sounds presumptuous. How could we possibly know that? Even if it was somehow 100% true?
/r/MensRights23/03/20 01:21 AM
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I don't think "barred" is the right word in many cases, most maybe, but definitely not all of them. I would more say "busy". While men were off inventing and providing for their families in that way their wives were supporting the family directly through pregnancy, nursing, and housework. Women contributed enormously to their societies, but it was more likely to be the "normal" type of contribution that goes unnoticed historically like with all the men who were farmers. Without those people too …
/r/MensRights23/03/20 01:13 AM
1

Once without shutting it down.
/r/MensRights23/03/20 12:18 AM
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Okie dokie.
/r/MensRights23/03/20 12:09 AM
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Both "patriarchy" and "gynocentrism" are instinctual to some degree. They are like two halves of the same coin. Traditional gender roles as a set usually try to balance them, while modern ones try to suppress human nature on the aspects that benefit males while encouraging the ones that benefit females if there is a conflict. Today's gender roles are just traditional gender roles + feminism. Which could be defined as "cultural gynocentrism in opposition to both cultural and natural patriarchy" I…
/r/MensRights23/03/20 12:06 AM
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You mean father fuckers. The mother fuckers are the ones getting screwed.
/r/MensRights22/03/20 11:52 PM
1

If you support men having equal legal rights then you aren't an "MRA supporter". You are an MRA IMO.
/r/MensRights22/03/20 10:13 PM
2

Who does that? Could you give examples please?
/r/MensRights22/03/20 09:55 PM
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:( I want to say "that's everyone" but my reason tells me that particular tendency is stronger in women due to the longterm effects of feminism.
/r/MensRights22/03/20 09:52 PM
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For the record I don't know why you're being downvoted. You didn't say anything against men exactly. Just asked us to have empathy for someone with an abuser that is more physically powerful than them. I don't see how that's super different from us wanting you to have empathy about us potentially having abusers with much more legal and social power than us. I live in the country too. It does make getting away much harder.
/r/MensRights22/03/20 09:39 PM
1

Where can I find information on possible ways of overcoming red pill rage? I need multiple options, as it is likely some won't work for me due to my unusual psychology.
/r/MensRights22/03/20 09:27 PM
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Idk. I'd like to give some of them the benefit of the doubt and think they are "stupid" (not thinking clearly) rather than "liars" (deliberately supporting falsehoods).
/r/MensRights22/03/20 09:15 PM
2

Somebody else understands the effects of second wave feminism on large scale economics!
/r/MensRights22/03/20 09:09 PM
1

I'd like to live together in peace.
/r/MensRights22/03/20 08:58 PM
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Since you are being pedantic I'm going to say it's okay for me too. The biblical commands regarding gender are more about specific behaviors and relationships than such broad generalizations. But they do include or focus on things often thought to emphasizes the qualities you mentioned, mostly within marriage which is where the majority of gender commands are. No specific form of masculinity is required, only the fulfilling of certain roles. In other words the details are irrelevant as long as y…
/r/MensRights22/03/20 07:56 PM
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He was talking about psychology though. He is asking what it means "to you". In other words the associations that make it meaningful for you. He is asking about our views on male gender identity, not reproductive biology. What fulfills you emotionally as a man, on the basis of being a man?
/r/MensRights22/03/20 07:39 PM
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Whether they are truly male or not is totally irrelevant unless they demand active affirmation. Females should be welcome in Men's Rights, if at all possible. And "trans men" are people who can see and are effected by many of the things that we complain about either way. It would be stupid to be more antagonistic than needed to avoid giving up concern for truth. I try to use gender neutral pronouns with trans people. I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings. I just don't want to be forced to suppo…
/r/MensRights22/03/20 07:31 PM
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I realize that. Unfortunately the activists have made it harder than it needs to be to get help in any way except affirmation or transitioning or even to really discuss the issues honestly. As someone who goes through dysphoria but who isn't willing or able to lie to myself that sucks. They have just made everything more confusing for everyone.
/r/MensRights22/03/20 07:13 PM
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Thank you. I think that actually healed me some. It's getting hard not be bitter. I'm hated for no reason because apparently I'm hateful. Doesn't matter what I do unless I accept I don't matter. So why shouldn't I be what they say?
/r/MensRights22/03/20 07:03 PM
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Fuck me: have sex with me. Teach me: help me learn things. Feed me: cook meals for me. You know, stuff any normal person is going to want from their romantic partner sometimes.
/r/MensRights22/03/20 06:59 PM
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First off, this is only one women. We shouldn't complain about individual people unless they are particularly heinous or recieve significant support for their views. Discussing general trends and bringing in specific examples to illustrate them is better than every few posts focusing on some specific example of bad behavior. Secondly I would like for a woman to fuck me, suck me, feed me, heal me, birth my children, comfort my pain, grow with me, and teach me. There is nothing wrong with that. I …
/r/MensRights22/03/20 06:55 PM
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No, it is like being married to a little man with diplomatic immunity. But not necessarily an angry one. And that's the only part they control. This stereotyping hurts the women that are actually good to men. No matter how few of them you think there are they exist and we ought not lump them in with the bad ones like feminists do to us.
/r/MensRights22/03/20 06:32 PM
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We aren't allowed to hate entitled women who literally want to keep us from buying food to eat just so their lives will be slightly easier? I'm struggling to understand how feminists can possibly think we are misogynistic when we hold ourselves to such drastically higher standards than them on hatred and what you have to do to deserve it. And I'm struggling to understand how the posts that don't show hatred and mock or insult women who actually do bad things get criticized more often than the on…
/r/MensRights22/03/20 06:25 PM
2

Better: don't have sex with manipulative women. Stop rewarding bad women with sex.
/r/MensRights22/03/20 06:16 PM
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I'm not sure this is true. You don't list any sources or give any arguments and it seems to me that in many cases where men and women exhibit the same behaviors the women are more likely to be viewed as "having mental illness" rather than "being bad people". Selection bias?
/r/MensRights22/03/20 06:07 PM
5

Please don't insult cows by comparing them to her.
/r/MensRights22/03/20 06:02 PM
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I've seen friendships end and family relationships fall apart over this. For some reason a lot of people resent being asked to pay back money or work it off no matter how generous what they recieved was or how patient you are in collecting. Never lend money to anyone on a personal basis. Either give or don't. Because the majority of people will never pay it back unless they are forced to, even if they are friends.
/r/MensRights22/03/20 05:41 PM
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"males do not care about women's problems" This has been repeatedly disproven scientifically. Men have been shown to have an out group bias and women an in group bias. All other things being equal men will care more about women than men. The idea that men don't care about women can't logically be combined with the ideas that men are more powerful than women and that feminism has made real progress. And I find it insulting you would say I don't care without even making an argument. I used to care…
/r/MensRights22/03/20 02:14 PM
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I'm not sure I am. They have traumatized me. I wake up every day thinking of how little I matter to them. How everyone agrees. They want me to think women's problems are so bad as a group while asking me to think it's okay for me to go through worse. I don't think I have the emotional resilience or self control to be in a feminist space anymore. And I fear them looking up my past posts.
/r/MensRights22/03/20 05:59 AM
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Part of me wants to believe that is possible. But given they support a movement that has done the nightmarish things feminism has I would need a lot to think they were both sincere and informed.
/r/MensRights22/03/20 05:27 AM
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Excellent. So it's fine for us to ignore all your problems right?
/r/MensRights22/03/20 05:22 AM
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Maybe some things are a zero sum game by nature. At least partially. Maybe some things aren't by nature but people make them that way. Again, at least partially. But if it's a zero sum game then if we distribute the sum equally it's still equal. Zero sum game only means one side has to get everything for selfish people. Unfortunately a lot of people think that way.
/r/MensRights22/03/20 05:08 AM
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She shared some info with me and it's a lot worse than I thought. Apparently these crisis conditions are going to last on and off for at least a year and a half because that is how long it takes to test a vaccine for safety in humans. And until there is a vaccine every time the restrictions are lifted the virus will just come back again.
/r/MensRights22/03/20 04:59 AM
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Which is why I won't give mine here. I don't want to be seen as racist more than I already am. I've already made the mistake of honesty here. Trying to get someone colored to see racism against whites left me emotionally crippled for a day and I still have scars from seeing how little I matter by comparison to her.
/r/MensRights20/03/20 06:27 PM
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I really went on a rant there huh? Sorry. This is a really complicated and personal issue for me that I don't get many chances to talk about. So when I come across a person or context where I think someone will understand more than one aspect of my feelings I start talking or typing and then with typing I don't stop sometimes because I finally get to order and express my thoughts in words. You're welcome if I helped you in any way. And don't worry about only knowing vague and basic things, there…
/r/MensRights19/03/20 11:44 PM
0

Wow, that's even vaguer than normal on this issue. Care to clarify?
/r/MensRights19/03/20 03:13 PM
1

Identify with sounds awfully vague. If you mean identifies as then it's just a question of who claims to be what. But of course you just said sex, and that is an objective thing. You aren't given your sex at birth, unless you mean by nature or God. It is a summary label of the set of bodily sexual characteristics you were born with, which normally cluster into 2 distinct types. (There are also people with intersex conditions but they make up between 2% and much less than 1% of the population dep…
/r/MensRights19/03/20 03:06 PM
2

Thank you. When you speak up you may not be seen as part of the "straight white male" club. I've yet to get my membership card but from what I understand we sit around and discuss ways to screw over gays, other races, and women. Having a mustache for twirling is optional.
/r/MensRights19/03/20 07:07 AM
1

I agree with this. Many MRA issues do effect black men more. I have no problem with intersectionality or with trying to help black people as a group as long as that is not used as an excuse for prejudice against me for not being in a protected class because I'm unwilling to sign onto the LGBT agenda for my attractions and dysphoria and my autism isn't practically recognized as a protected class as of yet. Black people tend to be poor, primarily for a combination of reasons related to historical …
/r/MensRights19/03/20 07:03 AM
2

That's the racism you get from this? Not that they are literally using white as an insult?
/r/MensRights19/03/20 06:51 AM
1

Today a friend posted a "joke" in a Discord server I'm in saying "kill anglos". Others joined in.
/r/MensRights19/03/20 06:50 AM
1

Who counts as trans in the first place?
/r/MensRights19/03/20 06:42 AM
3

This is literal hate speech. I think it even matches the legal definition. It is an actual incitement to violence. Yet we don't face serious issues...
/r/MensRights19/03/20 05:59 AM
1

I knew it was a thing. A leader in Boy Scouts got in trouble for saving a little girl's life. I just didn't realize they already had a name for it.
/r/MensRights18/03/20 11:39 PM
1

Most people learn almost nothing in school. True. A dedicated learner can learn much more outside school than in it in many cases. Missing two months of it matters not at all. False. Because useless or not our society makes your future dependent on it.
/r/MensRights18/03/20 09:14 PM
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I agree in general. I was raised by a single mom who was single through no fault of her own and who later married a man with a lot more money without even knowing it. And the man didn't help raise me. I would even be willing to date and commit to a single mother myself, assuming she met my standards (which include "won't use or abuse me or divorce me or cheat on me".). A women may want a man with more money because she is trying to make smart decisions about her future with that man, simply beca…
/r/MensRights18/03/20 08:18 PM
1

What percentage are they of workers though? It would be the difference between those numbers that tells you the gendered risk.
/r/MensRights18/03/20 07:43 PM
2

I define it as "leadership by men". That works pretty well.
/r/MensRights18/03/20 07:31 PM
1

Your dad sounds cool.
/r/MensRights18/03/20 07:22 PM
4

Some have already. There are female MRAs. Some in this sub.
/r/MensRights18/03/20 07:20 PM
1

Um, duh? Pick anything. Almost literally anything (though not quite). There will be some men better than some women at it, some women better than some men at it. Regardless of how strong a trend is if it isn't true by definition then it is a merely statistical truth. And all statistical truths have exceptions at a large enough scale. For example: "men are stronger". Yes, but sex is only 1 variable (actually two stacked on top of each other, total size and proportional muscles) out of several tha…
/r/MensRights18/03/20 07:12 PM
1

Witch hunts are illogical?! /s
/r/MensRights18/03/20 07:00 PM
1

Please explain how it is false, preferably with citations.
/r/MensRights18/03/20 06:55 PM
1

To many people the smallest amount of sexism against females is hatred (misgyny) yet the greatest amount of hatred against males (misandry) isn't even sexism. Sexism =/= Hatred. Hatred > Sexism (in a bad way). Misandry = Misogyny. These aren't that hard to grasp. People are just awful at semantics.
/r/MensRights18/03/20 06:49 PM
1

You have conflated statistical trends with universal truths. You almost used enough weasel words to be accurate, but not quite. Saying women are more nurturing without qualification feeds stereotypes that disadvantage fathers in court and lead to males with an interest in helping kids getting assumed to be sexual predators looking for victims. I am very nurturing and I'm male. Some females are very unnuturing.
/r/MensRights18/03/20 06:42 PM
1

Gee, I wonder if anyone is going to say we are all sexist misogynistic male supremacists for your sincere and publicly stated example of being all 3 of those things at once. About literally every women ever, including our own members. With no regard for how it effects them. Even if 75% of women are garbage (which I don't believe. Men and women are more or less equally jerks in most ways if given equal chances to behave badly IMO) Then it is still wrong to treat millions of people like scum for a…
/r/MensRights18/03/20 06:35 PM
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Right? Equality can be complicated because people are really different, but the attitude we have about it is all wrong most of the time. If instead of pulling or holding others down we all lifted each other up then we would all stand taller. Reminds me of "Screwtape Proposes a Toast" by C. S. Lewis. Tall poppy syndrome is definitely related IMO.
/r/MensRights18/03/20 06:23 PM
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I don't think that's strictly accurate. Boys are encouraged to do some things, mostly for others but sometimes for their own success. That they are then often blamed for afterward in either case. So it's more like "no one encourages boys to do anything without receiving the message they are shit for doing what they're told". It's a Catch 22.
/r/MensRights18/03/20 06:14 PM
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Deference. In many jobs men will be assumed to be in charge or presumed to be competent in ways or to degrees women wouldn't be. Even when it's totally unfair and makes no rational sense in context. This is rooted in the biological differences of greater size and lower neotny. It is the same reason (or one of them rather) that men are blamed for everything - we look more like adults to people, especially women, on a subconscious level. We look powerful and authoritative, so people stupidly think…
/r/MensRights18/03/20 06:09 PM
1

Except that women are already overrepresented in politics. 100% of politicians are male or female. Meaning 100% of politicians favor women over men. If more women were in office we would lose what little equal representation we have. If a woman doesn't actively support men in some way it's a net loss in gender equality if she's elected. Natural "gynocentrism" (the woman favoring elements of humanity's patriarchal instincts) + artificial feminism + a 50+% female electorate (in a first past the po…
/r/MensRights18/03/20 05:53 AM
1

I can sympathize. But I still downvoted you. Treating all women as bad all the time for what some or even most women do is wrong. Don't be like the feminists.
/r/MensRights18/03/20 05:12 AM
1

Seriously, there is a term for that? You know I really wanted to get trained in first aid and CPR so I can help people but I don't think I should with how dangerous it is. Maybe I will anyway. But if I don't it will be because of feminists. They work hard to make men less good. And don't even see how much of male behavior is driven by the incentives they create. Meanwhile examining every little influence on women with a microscope and claiming to want gender equality. "Where did all the good men…
/r/MensRights18/03/20 05:09 AM
1

Men need to be more selective in their dating process and find out the woman's real beliefs and values not just her looks and personality. Don't just give in to "chemistry".
/r/MensRights18/03/20 05:02 AM
1

MRAs are not necessarily right wing. Many certainly aren't here.
/r/MensRights18/03/20 04:40 AM
1

I wish I could still believe rape was a women's issue. I held on to that for a while, trying to think the inequality of feminism is balanced out somehow to a significant degree. Unfortunately it isn't. Look up "made to penetrate" sometime.
/r/MensRights18/03/20 04:34 AM
1

I'm white and so were the people I talked to if I knew their race so I can't speak to racism since you aren't normally going to experience a lot of racism from your own race in comparison to with other races. But I'm autistic and I've had gender dysphoria and been open about those things as well as that I get occasional homosexual attractions. There has been little or no "ableism", "transphobia", or "homophobia" against me either here or in the 4 different MRA or MGTOW Discord servers I've been …
/r/MensRights18/03/20 04:25 AM
1

Please be my friend.
/r/MensRights18/03/20 03:50 AM
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Sometimes you can't have both fairness and equality (being treated the same). Because people truly are different in truly significant ways sometimes and in those cases being fair means treating those differences fairly, which can't be done without treating people differently to address their differences. I speak not only as a men's right activist but also as an autistic.
/r/MensRights18/03/20 03:44 AM
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No. They think what we do with our bodies doesn't matter. Only what is on or in their bodies does.
/r/MensRights18/03/20 03:32 AM
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I don't see that accusation being made or mentioned.
/r/MensRights18/03/20 03:17 AM
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He sounds like a champ. I hope you get through this okay. I have a female friend I met on this sub who also has a compromised immune system. I'm worried for my friends. This thing's starting to concern me.
/r/MensRights18/03/20 02:49 AM
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Oh yes. Those poor women. (I actually don't know if I'm being sarcastic there. I would feel sympathy for someone who wanted children but had a sterile partner they wouldn't leave.) Meanwhile I effectively have no legal right to reproduce.
/r/MensRights18/03/20 02:46 AM
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Do definitely have to do our part. "Be the change you want to see"
/r/MensRights17/03/20 08:00 PM
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In what nation?
/r/MensRights17/03/20 07:47 PM
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Correct. But mainly because most people in general are idiots.
/r/MensRights17/03/20 07:45 PM
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Name the worst issues that women face in contemporary western society that men don't also face at equal or comparable rates. Because I've tried to see it and the harder I look for that "equality of sexism" I hope for in lieu of equality of equality the more I don't see it.
/r/MensRights17/03/20 07:43 PM
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If you can get her to watch The Red Pill. If you can't then she is close minded and my first thought is "give up". But I'm not good at persuasion with irrational people.
/r/MensRights17/03/20 07:38 PM
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Huh? How did you get that out of the above post?
/r/MensRights17/03/20 07:21 PM
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That is my exact point. Read the next part. I don't agree with them. Otherwise I would have changed my name to Autumn Rain by now.
/r/MensRights16/03/20 03:12 PM
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Fair enough. I wouldn't want you to let stubborn people railroad you.
/r/MensRights16/03/20 03:10 PM
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Or maybe feminists are to blame for creating a society where 1/4 of children grow up fatherless.
/r/MensRights16/03/20 03:08 PM
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Because you have literally 0 empathy for me going through the same thing if it is conveniant for women. You support abortion. Unconditionally I assume.
/r/MensRights16/03/20 12:18 PM
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I'm (biologically) male though. Transitioning isn't going to get me treated like a woman here. I've had a transman who was close friend and knew I had gender dysphoria tell me I'll "never understand what it is like to be a woman" because I opposed abortion and was hurt that I don't have the rights women do to choose to be parents without fear. As far as I can tell transgenderists think a man should be able to abort a women's baby against her will. As long as the man has a womb and the woman a pe…
/r/MensRights16/03/20 12:13 PM
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I keep seeing sequels on streaming services but not the original. I didn't even know sequels existed as a kid, I don't want to see them. I want to see the first one. For nostalgia.
/r/MensRights16/03/20 11:58 AM
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Yes, I see a pattern of pro-choice MRAs talking about "a right to consent to parenthood" and "reproductive rights" and then not giving a fuck about my right to be a parent when I consent or my right to reproduce. It's like you guys are deliberately rubbing my nose in it.
/r/MensRights16/03/20 11:54 AM
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I didn't know appex fallacy was a term. But I needed it for the concept I had. Thanks for sharing.
/r/MensRights16/03/20 11:40 AM
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It was many years ago. He did then for whatever amount he may have blamed me. We both knew I would never have done it if his brother didn't keep telling me to try something I couldn't handle.
/r/MensRights16/03/20 11:38 AM
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I accidentally broke a friend's arm. I don't think it was an issue of forgiveness towards me to him though. It was a backyard wrestling accident and it happened because his brother kept egging me on to do something I didn't feel safe doing. Eventually I gave in and tried, choked at the last second and messed it up, and hurt my friend. He blamed his brother, not me. Incidentally that brother also talked me into riding my bicycle down a mountain road and I lost control and ended up in an ambulance…
/r/MensRights16/03/20 11:33 AM
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I accidentally broke a friend's arm. I don't think it was an issue of forgiveness towards me to him though. It was a backyard wrestling accident and it happened because his brother kept egging me on to do something I didn't feel safe doing. Eventually I gave in and tried, checked at the last second and messed it up, and hurt my friend. He blamed his brother, not me. Incidentally that brother also talked me into riding my bicycle down a mountain road and I lost control and ended up in an ambulanc…
/r/MensRights16/03/20 11:32 AM
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I accidentally broke a friend's arm. I don't think it was an issue of forgiveness towards me to him though. It was a backyard wrestling accident and it happened because his brother kept egging me on to do something I didn't feel safe doing. Eventually I gave in and tried, checked at the last second and messed it up, and hurt my friend. He blamed his brother, not me. Incidentally that brother also talked me into riding my bicycle down a mountain road and I lost control and ended up in an ambulanc…
/r/MensRights16/03/20 11:32 AM
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I know. I imagine he felt really bad too. That both of you were in a state of shock and confusion. And him with shame and fear and guilt.
/r/MensRights16/03/20 11:23 AM
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I'm a really sensitive person but I'm not offending by this. It says better, not that he has to be to be desirable. It would be like if a man said women are better with big boobs. Only an idiot would refuse to date a woman just because she had average size breasts even if he prefers them larger. This is nothing compared to the Perfect Man chocolates they've been selling all over the place.
/r/MensRights16/03/20 11:20 AM
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I think I'm more worried about the emotional impact honestly. This whole discussion of individual people getting hurt by those closest to them makes me sad.
/r/MensRights16/03/20 11:11 AM
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How would you feel if your child was killed?
/r/MensRights16/03/20 11:01 AM
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I don't think you can ever understand how I feel. I don't think you can truly care about me. I don't think you are capable of it. You are a feminist. And the one thing feminists absolutely can't do is care about men who want children.
/r/MensRights16/03/20 10:48 AM
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Yes.
/r/MensRights16/03/20 10:36 AM
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The context is that Jesus is supposed to be perfect. And a man. Therefore if he cried then the idea that men should NEVER cry is wrong.
/r/MensRights16/03/20 10:33 AM
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I disagree. Feminism does hurt woman doesn't it? That makes them victims, sometimes innocent victims. We definitely need to make sure we are very clear that feminism is bad first because it hurts men since it hurts us much more, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't stand up for lesser victims too.
/r/MensRights16/03/20 10:21 AM
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:( Sadly I feel forced to think this way too sometimes. It's really hard to care about equality when the people pushing for it are the ones who care about it the least.
/r/MensRights16/03/20 10:13 AM
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I'd rather figure the best way things could be and try and make it reality. Even if only ever can in my own life. Actually I want to find someone who could understand and accept me romantically so I have someone I who will support me and who I can invest in completely. Then we could have kids and raise them to be even better than us. I want to turn love into a love perpetuating machine, which is what I think family is really supposed to be.
/r/MensRights16/03/20 10:02 AM
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I don't think a balance between two flawed things neccesarily negates all the flaws.
/r/MensRights16/03/20 09:53 AM
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I'm sorry you got hurt. :(
/r/MensRights16/03/20 09:48 AM
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I feel that way about everything. Any ideal I can think of feels like a threat and a burden. Because people won't just hold themselves to the same standards they do other people who are different. Most people will not lift a finger to unhold values they will ruin others lives over. Feminism is a good example of this, but it's everywhere.
/r/MensRights16/03/20 09:43 AM
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The vagueness of the term "equality" is a huge problem. And it's complicated but the term effectively implies it's simple. More equality in one way can result in less equality in another or overall. I think equality is too high an ideal and too abstract for people to handle actually living up to. It's not natural enough to be intuitive. I think fairness is more important.
/r/MensRights16/03/20 09:38 AM
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I've had the opposite experience.
/r/MensRights16/03/20 09:30 AM
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To be fair I learned a ton doing exactly what he said.
/r/MensRights16/03/20 09:27 AM
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Actually men don't rape more than women. Or if we do it is by a small amount, the bias is so great it's hard to tell exactly. It may even be the other way around. Look up "made to penetrate". When the same standards of what constitutes rape and what counts as proof are applied equally the numbers are very comparable. I hated finding that out. Women being more the victims of rape was one of the only things that let me think things weren't totally one sided. Now I can't think women don't have it b…
/r/MensRights16/03/20 09:10 AM
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Many, perhaps most, feminists are not intentionally and consciously against men in general. But on a practical level they really are. This is something that needs to be remembered: they are often not malicious, but still destructive. And the destructiveness is an inherent part of feminism by definition, since by definition it equates gender equality and women's advocacy as not only overlapping but identical and thus incentivizes hypocrisy on every level. Feminism and misandry can't honestly be d…
/r/MensRights16/03/20 08:49 AM
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If you want to educate yourself then I reccomend you watch The Red Pill documentary by Cassie Jaye and then her TedTalk and then go read the Real Sexism Project afterward. Those are the best overviews I've found and the least controversial in the case of Cassie Jaye's stuff. The Real Sexism Project just helps by giving a sense of proportion.
/r/MensRights16/03/20 08:33 AM
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Honestly? Because you said "some take the whole men are trash thing too far" as if there is a level of men are trash that isn't too far. Not trying to be overly critical, I wouldn't have said anything, but you did ask.
/r/MensRights16/03/20 08:29 AM
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I would like to join in this conversation. Not because I have anything to add atm, but just because I'm autistic too and it is a rare opportunity to join in on a open minded conversation about gender in between multiple other autistics. That's never actually happened.
/r/MensRights16/03/20 08:21 AM
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Feminism is particularly bad about it but I think all large movements are like that. Undermining their stated goals and not caring or even noticing because of tribalism. I realized a long time ago that people are dumber in groups.
/r/MensRights16/03/20 08:13 AM
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Don't equivocate. We don't go around saying #killallwomen. I can't talk about the violence ignored, condoned, endorsed, or advocated by feminism. I can't handle it and I could rant for hours. My best advice if you want to understand where we are coming from is to watch The Red Pill by Cassie Jaye and then watch her TedTalk and then go read The Real Sexism Project website afterward.
/r/MensRights16/03/20 07:25 AM
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We don't train each other how to use the bathroom except fathers teaching their sons when children.
/r/MensRights16/03/20 04:08 AM
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I'd like a place that could blame both or either one on a case by case basis instead of being one sided and ignoring aspects of it.
/r/MensRights16/03/20 04:02 AM
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And a lot of girls don't like boyfriends like that. It can be a sign of someone who is paranoid or overly controlling. My friend had a boyfriend who did that and he really was overly controlling. His bad behavior didn't stop and she ended up leaving him. I found it very sad.
/r/MensRights16/03/20 03:52 AM
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That...actually makes perfect sense. Well done.
/r/MensRights16/03/20 03:24 AM
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To show we aren't so different when you reverse the sexes perhaps. Which might be an interesting discussion if it were actually civil and rational.
/r/MensRights16/03/20 03:18 AM
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Thank you. Please don't let overly defensive idiots like him or even worse outright assholes deter you from learning and caring. As long as someone wants to learn and care then they can become a better person if they try with an open mind. I felt too broken to for a while. But seeing a feminist apparently really starting to try to be fair gives me hope of some kind. I am one of those overly defensive idiots and assholes on occasion, I'm very deeply hurt by feminism. I developed gender dysphoria …
/r/MensRights16/03/20 03:08 AM
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They don't listen because you use the term toxic masculinity. I had a hard time understanding at first too, until I connected it with what I learned by studying transgenderism and trying to make sense of that philosophy because I developed gender dysphoria. I never managed to make any real sense of transgenderism but I learned some things along the way by connecting the dots with things I learned here and through other studies. Basically the idea of gender identity as formulated and applied by t…
/r/MensRights16/03/20 02:40 AM
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I would gladly trade my male privileges for the female ones. :(
/r/MensRights16/03/20 02:02 AM
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Some of you do.Your leaders actually. One of the founders of gender studies advocated killing enough males to reduce us to 10% of the population and then continue killing us to keep it that way.
/r/MensRights16/03/20 01:53 AM
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How is it common to mock careless women? I'm genuinely asking, I get the feeling you may see something that I don't.
/r/MensRights16/03/20 01:48 AM
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No, only having value when you are useful is objectifying. That is what it means to be treated as an object.
/r/MensRights16/03/20 01:46 AM
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Women have no right to complain about rape victim blaming frankly. Not until they look at how men who are raped by woman are treated. Because we face way more of it. Not even just socially, but by law. When a minor female gets raped by a legally adult male and then has to pay him child support for the resulting child then we'll talk.
/r/MensRights16/03/20 01:42 AM
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I don't think he said anything about women in general being like that. He said feminists. I've noticed a lot of times people will read "women" where the speaker said "feminist" and the context is about ideology. You would do a lot more to recover your image by openly policing your movement so informed people could believe there is any significant concern for equality.
/r/MensRights16/03/20 01:29 AM
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Please explain how a trans man is a man without reference to their beliefs.
/r/MensRights16/03/20 01:21 AM
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I wonder, should female rapists have their ovaries surgically removed and be castrated?
/r/MensRights16/03/20 01:20 AM
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I challenge you to define the words "man" or "woman" without using them in their own definitions.
/r/MensRights16/03/20 01:17 AM
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So someone isn't a real victim of rape if they are delusional?
/r/MensRights16/03/20 01:15 AM
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You don't see anything wrong with denying men access to rape relief? "I was raped, I need help" "just man up sissy boy" And you agree? Seriously?
/r/MensRights16/03/20 01:11 AM
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You sure it wasn't both?
/r/MensRights16/03/20 01:06 AM
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When you said male ally I thought you meant an ally of males and then I got confused and had to back up.
/r/MensRights16/03/20 01:06 AM
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To be fair the level of horrendousness of much of what they do IS unbelievable. Few conspiracy theories claim the group they are blaming is doing things this bad. It's insane.
/r/MensRights16/03/20 01:03 AM
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Not a joke. Seriously, challenge them to live up to their theology.
/r/MensRights15/03/20 11:32 PM
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I think I understand feminism for the first time ever. Thank you. "Victim group" has become a normal part of female gender identity. No wonder women have a harder time seeing how men are oppressed. Patriarchy theory is part of who they are on a deep level. "Equal" was effectively part of my gender identity and then when I started realizing how broad and deep the sexism against males is I developed gender dysphoria. After studying transgenderism and seeing how men here reacted to the term toxic m…
/r/MensRights15/03/20 11:24 PM
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If a religious conservative ever criticizes a man for crying quote the bible at them: "Jesus wept".
/r/MensRights15/03/20 11:03 PM
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And that's fine. Nobody should be pressured either way just to score gender role or gender equality points. How you express your emotions is your own business.
/r/MensRights15/03/20 11:02 PM
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I run a MRA/MGTOW server on Discord. I could say something there but I'm not sure how much good it would do. That's all I got. I could talk to some of my female friends about it too I guess though.
/r/MensRights15/03/20 10:56 PM
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Consent under false pretenses is fraud. Fraud is bad and when there are big consequences like this it's very bad. Rape? Not rape? Either way it's wrong and should be illegal. I don't think it should be considered rape because that term has already gotten ridiculously broad and vague to the point of propaganda. But the guy should face punishment if the accusation can be proven in a fair trial.
/r/MensRights15/03/20 10:49 PM
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Of course. I would hope they honestly think they are right when we disagree. Otherwise they are being manipulative and dishonest.
/r/MensRights15/03/20 10:39 PM
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Exactly. Men don't have to worry about their outfits being judged as much, especially in terms of variety. That's what the woman is implicitly saying but with toxic attitudes by calling it "male privilege".
/r/MensRights15/03/20 10:36 PM
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I DO want to get involved, but I CAN'T. I have never even heard of a man judging a woman for wearing the same thing or similar things. I don't imagine many men have many opportunities to do anything to change this double standard. It seems to be a mostly a thing in between women and there is extremely little we can do about that if it is. I agree that we should all be willing to fix each other's problems if we can and I am willing to blame people for failing to, especially if they complain about…
/r/MensRights15/03/20 10:32 PM
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Personally I don't. If I thought their ideas deserved respect I'd agree with them. I don't need to pretend someone is right to value them.
/r/MensRights15/03/20 09:46 PM
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I agree, but when do you think men talk to anybody about how often women wear the same thing or not? We aren't the more fashion conscious half of the sex divide. I'd be happy to point out and criticize this double standard if it ever came up, but it never has and I've never even heard of it coming up among men or in mixed company.
/r/MensRights15/03/20 09:43 PM
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How can males possibly solve a problem within the female gender? Tell women what to do and how to think? If the problem doesn't come from us and we have no control then we can't fix it. All I think we can do is teach our daughters not to be shallow and judgmental and maybe how to deal with other girl's bullying. Except we can't even do that a quarter of the time because feminists made it to where 1/4 of girls grow up fatherless. Stop blaming us for shit we didn't do and can't do anything about, …
/r/MensRights15/03/20 09:37 PM
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Behold, that most rare of creatures, a fairminded person.
/r/MensRights15/03/20 09:30 PM
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She is actually correct. Males don't face that and are thus privileged. That's the problem: the very idea of privilege is inevitably destructive when adopted on a large scale, as it is about attaching the idea of someone being victimized to a person who is not being victimized. That leads to blaming them for the victimization by association. Which of course turns the non victims into victims of prejudice. In effect privilege means blaming innocent people for not suffering like others. It is weap…
/r/MensRights15/03/20 09:26 PM
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You have the causation at least partly backwards. Larger government and tyranny leads to weaker men. The family laws (strong government) came before the moral degradation (weak men).
/r/MensRights29/02/20 07:56 PM
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Not having a loving parent leads to children becoming less loving adults than those with loving parents around to learn from? How counterintuitive! Sadly it actually is for many people...
/r/MensRights29/02/20 07:51 PM
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Honestly it takes literally nothing to be better than feminists. You would have to actively try to get to the level of misogyny that matches the level of misandry they routinely exhibit. I suggest aiming higher than merely better than them.
/r/MensRights29/02/20 07:49 PM
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I already want to die largely because of feminism. I don't need direct exposure to blatant mysandry. It would be bad for me.
/r/MensRights29/02/20 07:44 PM
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Gee, I wonder if men staying boys could have anything to do with how little support they recieve in growing up and getting education.
/r/MensRights29/02/20 07:42 PM
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What context could make this mean anything but what it seems?
/r/MensRights29/02/20 07:32 PM
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:( This is the same advice I was given about women, by a woman. Show them you truly love them and it scares them off she said. I already realized it was taboo to want to be loyal and the thought of commitment would scare most off but I didn't realize it was that risky to show genuine love as well. Only she meant to help me get and keep a woman, not scare her off on purpose. Not to hurt anyone. I wonder if this woman supports transgenderism, because according to her I am not a man and I was born …
/r/MensRights29/02/20 07:30 PM
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I'll leave.
/r/MensRights28/02/20 01:39 PM
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What the hell makes you think the same attitudes aren't motivating many of the men on here to some extent? Pretty much everybody wants people to treat them nice and be sympathetic when they have been wronged. Pretty much everybody only questions the dominant social narrative or paradigm when they experience it's falsehood firsthand in a personal way. You want to turn away allies because they have "selfish" (not perfectly selfless) motives? A lot of men are going to have to leave then. Including …
/r/MensRights28/02/20 01:35 PM
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I think you just made me understand feminism. They are anthropomorphizing.
/r/MensRights28/02/20 01:18 PM
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Averages are averages. Outliers exist. And with muscles genetics isn't all there is anyway. A woman can work out or take steroids. It is entirely possible for a woman to be as strong as or stronger than the average man. By nature men are generally physically stronger by a significant margin. But it's a statistic, it may be a strong average but it is not some absolute law.
/r/MensRights28/02/20 01:09 PM
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I hate the double standards on promiscuity. Women get seen as sluts for things men aren't blamed for, men get seen as predators for things women aren't blamed for, and there is no consistency at all. You're welcome. Thank you for your courtesy too. And your open mindedness or tolerance with me.
/r/MensRights26/02/20 01:26 AM
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"How can you presume that if this sub exists?" Presume what? What have I presumed and how does this sub's existence conflict with it? I didn't presume anything, I concluded feminism is bad, and gave an argument of why from within the value system of feminism itself. And feminism being bad is very basis of this sub's existence. If feminism did its declared job of fighting for equality of the sexes instead of usually fighting against equality none of us would be here. You may think what I've just …
/r/MensRights25/02/20 02:54 PM
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Then by your own standards feminism is inherently and inevitably bad to some extent. "Person who fights fires" should be "fire fighter" because presuming the person doing these things is male is sexist and that's bad even if the vast majority of them clearly are and associating it with masculinity is insensitive to the women who do. Yet "person who fights against sexism" can be presumed to be female or associated with femininity and the movement that is supposed to be for equality of the sexes c…
/r/MensRights25/02/20 02:10 PM
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Color actually is a social construct though. Or more precisely the divisions between colors are socially constructed. That's why different cultures or even the same culture across centuries can have different lists of colors and view the same object as different colors. It's why women, who sort of have their own subculture (ie gender), see more colors than men. It's not that what is being seen is different, men have eyesight just as good. It is a difference in the way the colors are being counte…
/r/MensRights18/02/20 12:07 PM
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That actually sounds like a healthy way to have separate spaces.
/r/MensRights18/02/20 11:54 AM
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It's more complicated than that. At birth females are a slight minority. But by a certain age they are the slight majority among their peers because males die more often or sooner, for a combination of biological and sociological reasons, and this is reflected in the general population due to its age.
/r/MensRights18/02/20 11:52 AM
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Well said.
/r/MensRights18/02/20 11:33 AM
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I want the right to reproduce. That is extremely taboo. To say I shouldn't have my babies killed is considered extremely wrong. Like rape or something. I'm viewed with disgust for wanting to be a father. By other MRAs. I'm sorry you were hurt so bad. :(
/r/MensRights18/02/20 11:20 AM
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What I said. Do you think they should be called fire fighters and police officers and mail carriers instead of firemen and policemen and mailmen when their sex is unknown? How about saying "he or she" or the singular "they" instead of "he" in the case of a person of unknown sex? Does it matter? How important is it to you? Why?
/r/MensRights18/02/20 01:41 AM
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Climate change is real. Is it caused by humans or natural is the real question. And any honest answer is going to say both to some extent. What's the balance? Idk actually. But it's got to be partly natural because similar changes are part of the historical record and are evidenced further by geology. On the other hand we are pumping out a ton of chemicals and other environmental issues make it seem plausible that we could be accelerating or altering natural cycles and variations in weather.
/r/MGTOW218/02/20 01:22 AM
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I think you are the first person who has ever seemed to understand. At least without me explaining a lot first. Maybe that will help me move on. I had a lot of stuff in my personal life that made it hard to cope when I started fully waking up to the sexism against males. It hurt me enough to give me gender dysphoria when I did. But like I said I had already been worn down by other things in my personal life so that it was hard to cope. I think just wanting my feelings to be understand and accept…
/r/MensRights18/02/20 01:16 AM
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How do you feel about gender neutral language?
/r/MensRights17/02/20 02:40 PM
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If people aren't basically shit in general (ie original sin) then where did a movement like feminism come from and how did it survive so long and have so much influence? All original sin means is that everybody is born with a big stupid selfish streak that fucks everything up in and around them. Cynicism + Theism = Original Sin.
/r/MensRights17/02/20 02:11 PM
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Thank you. Especially for your thoughts on parental responsibility and to lesser extent promiscuity. I never tried to date as a teen because I realized that if I had sex my baby could be killed and there was nothing I could do about it. And also because I didn't want to go through all the trouble of dating just to have to do it all over again because few relationships are ever really meant to be more than short term affairs. Now sometimes I wake up with anxiety thinking about how little society …
/r/MensRights17/02/20 02:01 PM
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