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why do men ghost for no reason?
/r/seduction10/03/25 03:57 AM
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Start small. Flirt a little bit with everyone. Flirt with the person who scans your groceries, flirt with the cute guy sitting next to you in class, and flirt with anyone who walks up to you! Just keep flirting. You’ll get better. I wish I learned at your age.
/r/seduction07/03/25 05:10 PM
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The same reason men want to fix the manic pixie bpd dream girl??? Or save a woman in distress.
/r/seduction06/03/25 02:42 PM
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Yes. Congrats. Keep it up. Pour into your self esteem She probably never liked you and was just being nice. We women are very friendly and polite
/r/seduction01/03/25 11:16 PM
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Anyone who’s not pure hot (I’d even argue those that are hot) that’s regularly getting hookups is probably manipulating women in some capacity. Which is fine, frankly. You shouldnt think too much of it. Seduction is manipulative. It was women’s only weapon in a time when we women had no rights. Now men in here are trying to learn it as a weapon. Anyone saying otherwise is lying or not self aware. Anyone saying “this person knows what’s really going on” when they’re lying to women to get what the…
/r/seduction01/03/25 10:35 PM
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Also don’t omit the idea that she could’ve been shy. Keep being friendly and getting the reps in. Don’t be afraid to talk to men and women. It makes you a more wholesome person. Be curious and don’t be afraid to be friendly if someone puts their head down or seems shy. Just don’t be desperate/needy for HER. Remember we’re all just humans.
/r/seduction01/03/25 04:31 PM
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No. Practicing getting comfortable with touching other human beings will help you… touch other human beings.
/r/seduction01/03/25 01:50 AM
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They don’t want our help unless they know we’re on the same page and side as them. 😉
/r/seduction01/03/25 01:48 AM
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Then help and support them lol. You can do anything ofc. But yeah, don’t try to save anyone who doesn’t want to be saved.
/r/seduction01/03/25 01:44 AM
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Everyone should do whatever they want. I’m here to learn how to seduce and manipulate men myself. Who am I to judge?
/r/seduction01/03/25 01:30 AM
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Maybe she was leading you on and just practicing flirting? I’ve had a guy do this to me and since I thought the entire interaction was really fun I’ve been basically learning how to recreate that tension with other men and practicing my flirting but ultimately i don’t actually want to have any relations with the man unless he’s exactly what im looking for so i cut it off.
/r/seduction01/03/25 01:05 AM
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He only wants to attract women looking for casual quickly. Not manipulate women into sleeping with him. That is an art that most men never master for a reason.
/r/seduction28/02/25 11:43 PM
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If they want. But i made both their lives better and easier for them. I cooked, cleaned, made significantly more money than them so they never had to really pay for much. Helped raise credit scores.. confidence. Helped them chase their dreams. My ex even told me he resented me for being better than him and when i got fat he just said he wasn’t attracted to me anymore and he mainly liked me because i was pretty. And in the end, i got nothing but a few wake up calls and heart break. Which were val…
/r/seduction28/02/25 11:42 PM
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How do you believe I used them? I’m average looking. And I even gained 50 lbs in my last relationship. Only hot women get simps and get to “use” men. The rest of us get mediocre men. If anything these men wasted valuable years of my youth and I should’ve been focusing on being hot to attract better men.
/r/seduction28/02/25 11:25 PM
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Agree as a woman. Definitely don’t care about and have lost all attraction to my exes. I’m glad I left them. I was so insecure and settled because they were good enough and I was never gonna go for the men I actually want because it required effort. I loved being able to get fat and not care or be disrespectful. Having to actually have standards and live by standards and respect yourself is difficult. Men should also ask “would i date a sloppy fat girl?” If the answer is no, then stop doing thin…
/r/seduction28/02/25 07:36 PM
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Look hot. Be hot. Do hot guy things. Say “im here for hookups” in profile. You may only get 1/100 matches but those will be the ones dtf immediately Re: models by mark Manson and his friend saying to every girl in 1 night “im gonna pee in your butt”. He apparently probably said it to 25-50 girls, but it only takes 1 girl to be receptive.
/r/seduction28/02/25 06:39 PM
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If religion didn’t work, it’d be dead already
/r/seduction28/02/25 06:04 PM
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How’d you get played
/r/seduction28/02/25 04:43 AM
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Then why did she say what she said? What about you made her think that talking to you might make her slutty?
/r/seduction27/02/25 05:04 PM
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Every human will pull away. It’s HUMAN nature to get bored. Everything women are “guilty” of, men are too. Everyone has to put in work to keep things interesting.
/r/seduction27/02/25 04:56 PM
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Results and the ability to stay undetected. The guy who played me; which was the only reason I believed seduction is possible. He was not my physical type at all even tho he was attractive. He had me acting like a completely different person. I was unconsciously giving IOIs. Even after he ghosted me, treated me like crap, led me on and breadcrumbed me, I still believed he liked me and something about it was real. That’s true manipulation and definitely something I’d love to learn to master. Unfo…
/r/seduction27/02/25 04:47 PM
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Leave her alone.
/r/seduction27/02/25 04:29 PM
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Lower your standards. Be in the company of women without expecting anything from them.
/r/seduction27/02/25 03:30 PM
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Well if she doesn’t want to be a slut and wants a boyfriend, she’s not crazy. She’s very logical for cutting you off immediately knowing that you’re not gonna be her boyfriend!
/r/seduction27/02/25 02:56 PM
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I like this mindset. I think I’ve viewed men as an enemy in the past; viewing them as fun opponents to be competitive with may make gaming them a lot easier.
/r/seduction27/02/25 02:54 PM
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Leave relationship girls alone and only fuck girls who don’t care.
/r/seduction27/02/25 03:44 AM
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A well timed and personal smile is best and very sexy. Don’t go around smiling like a creep or like crazy. Smile very intentionally at the woman you want to warm up. We love sexy smiles as much as men do.
/r/seduction27/02/25 03:42 AM
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Women and men are not a monolith. I’ve had plenty of men get bored with my logical approach to being and dating. I’ve also had men lead me on and do things that make 0 sense while wanting nothing from me (not even sex). It happens to everyone.
/r/seduction26/02/25 02:08 PM
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It’s just a fun flirt. Express your boundaries or just have fun and enjoy the ride. As long as they’re not leading you on; which some people will do horribly - you should be fine.
/r/seduction26/02/25 02:06 PM
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Phenomenal post. A lot of men need to be reminded of this with the crazy things posted in here.
/r/seduction26/02/25 01:32 AM
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This is simply not true. it is FINE to want more than “not be fat”. many men have age, face, hair, race, body specs, personality, and more requirements. And again, this is fine as most people settle down with their match. They just don’t like that women want things from a partner too.
/r/seduction26/02/25 01:31 AM
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Im a woman lol. But yeah, i guess maybe i need to do that with men. If im too logical it seems to bore them, its like y’all want the manic pixie dream girl who says and does crazy bitchy things idk. Thats like the fun for y’all.
/r/seduction25/02/25 11:02 PM
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I feel the same way, brother. That’s why i am trying to learn these tactics as an average woman. It’s hard out here in these average streets!
/r/seduction25/02/25 10:39 PM
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We don’t care about your car. But if you take us to your nice home or throw after parties; you’re way more likely to get laid.
/r/seduction25/02/25 10:10 PM
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Sounds like you were chasing hot women and now you’re settling for 4-7s with nice girl personalities while you are miserable.
/r/seduction25/02/25 10:09 PM
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No, it’s not.
/r/seduction25/02/25 09:13 PM
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Sometimes. We don’t like being uncomfortable or put in a bad situation. Most girls are “good/nice girls” so rejecting men can feel awful, awkward, or scary. Sometimes when the situation is low risk or im in a social environment - I LOVE being approached and im pretty sure most women feel this way.
/r/seduction25/02/25 09:12 PM
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You’re getting a lot of hate for this being AI generated, I relate because as a woman some of the men in here hate on me too. Although many of the men, especially the secure ones who actually get women, are very helpful. I agree completely with your analysis from the other side and id even argue that around 60% of guys aren’t even making it to the first conversation. Only around ~40% of guys have something to even brag about and it seems like only 1/100 guys are charming enough to do something s…
/r/seduction25/02/25 06:19 PM
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Because it is lol. Honestly 60% of guys aren’t even making it to the first conversation. Only like 40% of guys have something to brag about and it seems like only 1/100 guys are charming enough to do something similar to what he said and make a woman feel special.
/r/seduction25/02/25 06:16 PM
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I understand what you’re saying but have no idea how to implement it. I think the first video is also a little virtue signaling on men’s part. I’ve met too many men who like bitches/women who don’t invest much in them - even if the woman isn’t that hot. But i guess that could be a personality thing, it’s just too vague. But i know almost all the men I’ve wanted preferred at least a little sass. The whole “men value looks a lot more” and “men choose their level of commitment and rarely change it”…
/r/seduction25/02/25 03:18 PM
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I watched the video you linked and thought it was brilliant. I know there’s not much content on it but would you happen to know more about the opposite side? There’s literally barely information on how to become like the woman version of this. Save for books like “why men love bitches”. I’m not naturally a bitch and it’s hard for me to even pretend to be one. I have been more assertive lately and men have been liking me more but I don’t seem to understand how to invoke emotions/feelings in men i…
/r/seduction24/02/25 02:04 PM
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Well most men aren’t exactly players/charming so it’s rare enough to even meet a guy who’s fun and hot. Men are lucky that women are kinda raised to peacock/be hot or at least groom ourselves and be social. A large portion of men are boring, awkward, mid in looks. So the best I’ve got is potential.
/r/seduction21/02/25 03:24 AM
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i mean this is irrelevant to the post; i was asking for advice to be the kind of woman who can do this stuff. Do whatever you want; it has nothing to do with me.
/r/seduction20/02/25 10:42 PM
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Depends on the person. I personally haven’t had sex in awhile; so it doesn’t even matter. I would like to have a boyfriend for sex tho. I mean, your opinion is valid but lots of cheating sluts find boyfriends and get married all the time. And lots of women also dead bedroom their husbands. So it’s not like men or women are a monolith or anything. Sounds like a Reddit/basement dweller thing to say (in the least offensive way as possible, like username checks out rofl). But I’ve literally seen men…
/r/seduction20/02/25 10:02 PM
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I am trying to filter them out faster. I’m still learning how to get faster while keeping it flirty so things don’t get boring/stale. Plus, a lot of guys I can practice flirting with at least. I just know I want a roster as a short term goal. I been working out and styling myself, going out, and flirting my ass off just to get the mediocre attention I have right now. It’s honestly exhausting. I don’t know how to be more efficient.
/r/seduction20/02/25 09:57 PM
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I was getting a little bored and starting to feel a bit guilty for ignoring him. If he’s still interested I’ll definitely text back but he’s definitely off the roster. and I knew I didn’t really want him longterm. I feel like if I want to keep a guy on the roster; I need to at least be unsure about his potential.
/r/seduction20/02/25 09:53 PM
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Im an average woman and dating apps are a horrible experience for me. I just match, have a few conversations, then delete the app and go back to real life.
/r/seduction06/02/25 04:30 AM
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A lot of men get a little nervous about serious relationships so this particular situation works best for men. but yes, most women will be obsessed with you depending- you could love bomb us then do the hot/cold. I’ve definitely fell for it.
/r/seduction05/02/25 01:42 AM
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Start with making eye contact with men you’re not attracted to, smiling, and saying hi. Gradually you’ll get confident speaking to all men, I promise.
/r/seduction05/02/25 01:12 AM
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Probably. You need more clarity. Dates, no dates. Who cares. Women have sex with who women want to have sex with.
/r/seduction04/02/25 11:00 PM
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Nobody cares. We don’t care. You’re in your head. Just be a fun cool guy and women will love you, I promise.
/r/seduction27/01/25 07:14 AM
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Agree both sides manipulate. But no, i know some people think everyone knows the lingo - but sometimes we genuinely believe we’re just going along with the flow and realize we’ve been manipulated. just like when men marry or end up financing a woman who manipulated him into that position. Which is fine, everyone gets manipulated and we all know the winners are whoever plays the game better. But i think it’s disingenuous to say “everybody knows this”. Did God bless us with some sort of rule book …
/r/seduction27/01/25 03:25 AM
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Yes. If he spins the block, keep him at a distance and let him think he’s rebuilding trust with you. Men don’t like something unless they feel like they’re putting effort into it, so make him work a little for it. Then he’ll feel more excited the second time around because he’ll believe you actually respect yourself more. Men hate insecure women who don’t respect themselves and men have been taught they need to put in work for anything worthwhile. Capitalize on that.
/r/seduction24/01/25 03:23 PM
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You’re the problem. Don’t spam approach with no introspection.
/r/seduction23/01/25 03:50 PM
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Thank you kindly. Yeah, I think often the sleaziest guys are shooting their shots the most because they know other men aren’t and ruining the dating pool by their arrogance. If more women took control instead of being passive participants, we probably wouldn’t deal with as many predatory men. But yeah, emphasis on strategic initiative. Men are pretty hard to court because women’s role is more servant leader and that’s hard for a lot of women who want the more masculine roles independence taught …
/r/seduction17/01/25 03:54 PM
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Thank you kindly. Going to try to be consistent, more thorough, and experience more.
/r/seduction17/01/25 03:50 PM
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It does, we can see segments of it working when men are posting or wondering “does this woman like me”, yes sometimes it’s just because the woman is hot and he puts her on a pedestal but there’s also inner game for women and sometimes women who are not as hot use push/pull, negs, etc and men fall for them like crazy. but you’re right, it has to be done in a more strategic and softly flirty way for women, maybe I’ll crack the code!
/r/seduction16/01/25 08:06 PM
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Yes, everyone prefers indirect.
/r/seduction16/01/25 04:35 AM
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The dates aren’t that great.
/r/seduction15/01/25 05:55 PM
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Yes. If you show it. Unless she’s socially awkward/retarded.
/r/seduction15/01/25 02:10 PM
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It depends on the woman. Some women will only want you if you’re preselected, as in they only like the idea of being a side bitch if your main woman is hotter than her because competition excites her. The other half of women are disgusted by this. There’s also preselecting where you don’t flirt with any women, but we see you as safe because other women are comfortable around you.
/r/seduction15/01/25 02:06 PM
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do people in here want to fuck drug addicted girls that bad? it’s not that hard, just buy drugs
/r/seduction14/01/25 05:45 PM
1

how are broke drug dealer musicians getting laid in a transactional way?
/r/seduction13/01/25 06:49 PM
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You’re clearly the same - believing that even though you have nothing to offer, you somehow are better than these hoeflated ladies and somehow these 9s and 10s that you want owe your some sort of attention, mind you. They don’t know nor do they care that you exist. They probably would be better off if you don’t talk to them, since all you’ll probably do is waste their time. Women are individuals. Just like men are. Yes, we’re more likely to conform than men are. But at the end of the day, every …
/r/seduction13/01/25 11:51 AM
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You’re only a baby. Relax.
/r/seduction13/01/25 01:21 AM
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Do more indirect approaches
/r/seduction12/01/25 04:15 AM
0

Vibe is the only important thing. Some people don’t even have to say anything and their vibe is hot/sexy
/r/seduction12/01/25 04:13 AM
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do you coach women too
/r/seduction10/01/25 10:16 PM
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I mean clearly she’s right and you are a player. Seems like she’s playing the same game you are.
/r/seduction10/01/25 10:14 PM
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Wrong. You can notice she has a fat ass and still appreciate her hair. We know you notice our body, but all men notice our bodies. Do you want to be like every other man or do you want to stand out to us and not seem like a creepy pervert? We don’t mind if guys who’ve built a rapport with us, desire us. But we acknowledge we can post a nude with our hottest attributes on display and say “come fuck us” and we’ll get a thousand offers. So we just want a guy that’ll make us feel human and not like …
/r/seduction10/01/25 06:38 PM
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I am learning how to seduce men for a reason, i suppose
/r/seduction10/01/25 06:05 PM
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Just be yourself and be not a player. They’ll think “omg he’s not who i thought he was” and be enamored with you. We women love a plot and being the main heroine who discovers an amazing man.
/r/seduction09/01/25 07:12 PM
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Not a weird situation, very common. Agree with the other comment on how you should approach the situation.
/r/seduction09/01/25 06:33 PM
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Both genders hate neediness. You’re probably clinging to these girls because they’re not needy.
/r/seduction09/01/25 05:46 PM
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Seddit is a community for men AND women. 🙃 per the wiki. But some guys do kinda bully out the women and pretend women don’t need seduction and just need to exist. So yeah, some women are taught to just exist while being hot and men will talk to them. And even on a subreddit where the goal is to learn, we’re told that.
/r/seduction09/01/25 05:03 AM
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You’re choosing that type. Maybe they feel they’re hot so they don’t have to do much, or maybe they’re inexperienced so they don’t know how to. Hot, experienced women who care about seducing men are very rare. I’d say it’s like 2% of women. And this type usually knows how to get exactly what they want (so they’re typically gold diggers or go after the top 20% and actually win). Most women who need seduction skills (such as myself) are typically average, older more confident women, or taken. And …
/r/seduction09/01/25 04:39 AM
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Cope.
/r/seduction09/01/25 04:22 AM
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You should probably end it, sounds like he’s trying to manipulate you.
/r/seduction08/01/25 03:54 PM
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She seems indifferent to you. Probably just didn’t want to be at work and you were irrelevant to her. If you’re interested just shoot your shot, who cares.
/r/seduction08/01/25 01:04 AM
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Just being some weed and alcohol. Why do you have a stick up your ass about it? It’s literally such a low barrier to entry, these girls are actually so cheap.
/r/seduction07/01/25 10:35 PM
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I’ve friendzoned a guy that i really liked because life was busy but i also wanted to take it slow and he kinda showed sleazy/not boyfriend material behavior. And I’ve said yes to being a guy’s gf because i was lonely. I agree, you shouldn’t let yourself be taken for a ride. But i disagree that asking for a relationship is feminine or bad.
/r/seduction07/01/25 02:51 PM
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Just get a gf dude, relax
/r/seduction05/01/25 09:24 PM
1

Men do it, why shouldn’t everyone
/r/seduction04/01/25 01:28 AM
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Perfect comment that solves 99% of problems honestly.
/r/seduction03/01/25 11:31 PM
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All women are hit or miss. Some of us are repressed sexually and some of us are ready to express our sexuality. The problem with both genders is we never know what is going on beneath the surface as we only see the shallow.
/r/seduction03/01/25 05:35 PM
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Thank you for the recommendation. I will read it.
/r/seduction03/01/25 04:28 PM
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Women do love gay men. Lots of women find themselves having crushes on their gay male counterparts. Getting rejected by gay men. Hell, the top 3 porns that women usually love are erotica, lesbian, and gay. Every girl who’s not repulsed by gay men has had a boy love phase. Men showed interest in me while i was masculine too, they just ran away faster because it was just the physical they were attracted to lol. They wouldn’t even be sexually attracted to me after they talked to me. I am here to gr…
/r/seduction03/01/25 04:15 PM
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I didn’t care about the physical attributes that men found attractive in me. My insecurities laid deeper than that. But now that im more shallow i guess, i do care a lot more about what physically attracts men because i want a certain caliber of man.
/r/seduction03/01/25 04:06 PM
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Casanova? Don Juan? Even “bad boys” show women a certain side of them that polarizes in a feminine way and makes women feel like he could be soft or different or they could be “the one”. I’m an overly masculine woman - it’s like the opposite of sexy. But as i embrace my feminine self, more men show lots of interest in me.
/r/seduction03/01/25 03:44 PM
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Yes. We are. Most women who are insecure are not smiling at men and excited to talk to them. They’re running and isolating themselves from most men. Men are terrifying when you’re insecure. I wished men wouldn’t look at me when i was insecure. Then the only guy to ever express romantic interest & make me feel mildly safe and think he was a good guy, abandoned me and I spiraled and ruined my life. So that’s how most women end up in terrible relationships/situations.
/r/seduction03/01/25 03:37 PM
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No. But if she’s not into you, it may seem needy.
/r/seduction03/01/25 03:33 PM
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Yeah. I do think seduction is a woman’s weapon. We’re not as strong as men but we have what men most desire. Sure, some men will rape for it but most love the feeling it gives when they earn it. In a world where women are becoming increasingly masculine, I’ll say that men who were more polarizingly feminine are who stood out to me most before my journey started. Which is why i am now learning seduction; to increase my femininity. The greatest seducers in history from a male perspective leaned he…
/r/seduction03/01/25 03:30 PM
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I guess i sometimes assumed some women just have it - competence. But i think some women were just lucky to be raised in a household that encouraged their femininity and seductive skill sets.
/r/seduction03/01/25 02:59 PM
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I admire this post but there’s nothing stopping you from being competent AND confident. I can acknowledge my confidence carried me through life even when I was incompetent. I am still incompetent at seduction; although apparently it’s naturally a woman’s weapon. So, right now I would rather be competent.
/r/seduction03/01/25 06:59 AM
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Why do you care so much about interacting with women that you freeze up? What is the worst thing that could happen if you just started letting your personality out?
/r/seduction03/01/25 06:42 AM
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Eh. It’s easy to not be recreational use, just don’t have sex and most men who only want sex will ghost you. I’m talking about .002% of men here so highly unlikely I’d meet him. Men fall in love with beauty, women love how you make us feel. You’re in this subreddit to bang/use/probably manipulate decent looking to hot women, not care for them or love them. You’re just as shallow as I am.
/r/seduction03/01/25 06:05 AM
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I understood the post. I commented because I disagree. You’re right, it is weird and incongruent with reality. But it can work.
/r/seduction03/01/25 05:17 AM
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No. I disagree. If a man has status, money, is tall, and is attractive. I’ll fuck. They’re right. Money is the hottest thing to me, personally.
/r/seduction02/01/25 02:39 AM
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Yeah. Celebrity. I’d reject a 10/10 guy asking to fuck. I may or may not reject a 10/10 celebrity. Women care about status, money, fame more than looks. If they have all of the above, im probably dtf. But a random hot man? No, I’d probably be more scared of him than anything.
/r/seduction02/01/25 02:14 AM
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So you’re saying you’d be an asshole. Even if in reality you’re an asshole, you’d just risk being rejected 9/10 times. Even if you’re hot. It may have a 2/5 success rate instead. Yes, we like attractive men but we’re still human beings.
/r/seduction02/01/25 02:10 AM
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We like maturity but with that sexy playfulness. Express your curiosity and youth but be a gentleman. Literally being a sexy gentleman will make you stand out 100x more than older men. Most women don’t wanna go more than 1 year younger but you can be the exception if you play your cards right
/r/seduction01/01/25 04:53 AM
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Quality post. Agree with comments saying the only way to judge your input is effective is by understanding the feedback of your environment. But that’s a subjective tweak in your wording, clearly you’re not saying do whatever you want and f the results. If im seducing men and they’re not texting me or calling me. Clearly my seduction skills did not work and need to be reevaluated. You’re not seducing anyone if nobody is making themselves available to you or chasing you in some capacity. But you …
/r/seduction31/12/24 04:00 PM
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All men claim they pay for it in one way or another. And I’d argue all people pay for it. If they get independent/intelligent women, they probably pay for it in a personality/attitude/and looks/attractiveness. If they get a more traditional type, intelligence varies here because this type may not throw her intellect in his face, he’s often paying for all the dates and their living expenses for the rest of their lives. So either way - they pay. For a woman, I’ve previously been the independent ty…
/r/seduction31/12/24 03:11 PM
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You did fine. I agree with the comment that says to tell her you love her intensity. She’s shy and scared of ruining your friendship. Lots of women value friendship a lot, only a few of us hate the friendzone. Like if we like you we could be in a relationship of be just friends and both are fine and valuable to us. Because we don’t have sexual scarcity but male friendships are so valuable and hard to maintain.
/r/seduction31/12/24 01:41 AM
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Who cares. If he’s not her boyfriend, she’s available. I’d go after a single man that I want unabashedly. If they’re not taken, they’re available.
/r/seduction30/12/24 08:38 PM
0

Yup. People are not a monolith. They either like you or they don’t. Tactics only kinda matter if you have a specific end goal in mind, but they’re no end all be all.
/r/seduction30/12/24 08:02 PM
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First, you need to detach from all men. It sounds like you want a relationship. Don’t get what seddit calls “oneitis” because if that man doesn’t want a relationship with you, then you’re going to waste your time with a potential fboy. Sex is okay, I do believe with most men you’re gonna need to have sex after you get in the relationship as men do not like easy or slutty women for LTR (long term relationship). To overcome the eye contact: practice with everyone, women men old young. The more rep…
/r/seduction30/12/24 07:45 PM
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Become friends with both of them. If he likes you, he may put in a good word for you. And you’re “vetted”. We women typically trust the men in our lives. Thats why so many men game with “wings”, any amount of people that you’re with just prove you’re not a creepy loser who sits in his mom’s basement alone. I never really understood why men are so friendship adverse???
/r/seduction30/12/24 07:11 PM
1

Idk. What are you doing? How are you creating space? How are you letting them show themselves? How are you choosing?
/r/seduction30/12/24 03:31 AM
4

Sounds like you are the problem, as many people have relationships with attractive and intelligent people. I’ve never read anything in the subreddit of particular quality on either of these subjects. Are you sure you’re doing what you claim you can do? Maybe you’re only capable of seducing dumb women.
/r/seduction30/12/24 03:09 AM
1

What are your tactics for doing this? How do you hold frame and tap into emotions?
/r/seduction30/12/24 02:49 AM
1

Because some men are here maliciously, just like some women seduce men maliciously.
/r/seduction29/12/24 05:08 AM
1

Im a girl. I meant tactics the prostitutes, strippers, etc did
/r/seduction29/12/24 04:17 AM
6

Depends on the woman.
/r/seduction29/12/24 04:16 AM
1

Same game. If she rejected you for her boyfriend, she thinks he’s better than you or she’s a loyal person.
/r/seduction28/12/24 06:52 PM
2

also, any fun tactics these types of women did that y’all enjoyed/would recommend?
/r/seduction28/12/24 06:30 PM
0

He just knew how to talk to me. I’m still learning so bare with me while I attempt to logically explain. I always wondered why it was so hard to talk to men, why it was so awkward, etc. it felt like most men were either bad at conversation, sex creeps, or the good ones were taken. He told me he learned how to be better at it but refused to teach me. I think maybe most people think it’s something you’re supposed to learn on your own. So a guy who knew how to be kind to me without coming off as we…
/r/seduction28/12/24 06:14 PM
3

Agree. Men have it hard sometimes and I can admit I’ve even not given men grace in the past. Women have to learn this stuff too. A lot of men expect women to be perfect princesses. “Why would you trust that man who said he wanted to marry you? That’s stupid”, “why don’t women know that men go through xyz”, “why are women so hard to talk to”, “why are women so defensive/mean”, or a bunch of other crap. But unless you came from a perfect family, that’s often not the case. We’re often scared that m…
/r/seduction28/12/24 04:48 PM
2

I never thought about it until an experienced guy happened. I always just kinda didn’t understand why some men knew and some men didn’t know. Then when I was seduced I was like “damn, how many women has he done this to?”. It was so fun during the process but the most horrible experience afterwards. I think men think women fall for “bad boys” because they’re bad. But often they just really know how to talk to us, really know how to get in our heads, really know how to go through the motions perfe…
/r/seduction28/12/24 04:04 PM
1

I never said it wasn’t insecurity. I am also scared of players. They can get bored, they might cheat. But i guess both know how to seduce which is why you and i are here. To learn how to seduce and not be on the wrong end of the dynamic 😉
/r/seduction28/12/24 02:59 AM
1

No point in coping. You just admitted you wouldn’t LTR a slut. Idc what you like/don’t like. Women will still be sluts even though every day men say they hate sluts, and some men do end up marrying sluts so it’s not a big deal. It’s not over for sluts even if they have a kid, they can turn their lives around unless they’re a porn star. Just like men will still be players and eventually find somebody to settle down with. Honestly, the more practice - the better probably.
/r/seduction28/12/24 02:40 AM
2

Maybe you’re only hot for hookers.
/r/seduction28/12/24 01:51 AM
1

Yes 🙂
/r/seduction28/12/24 01:36 AM
1

No. We are kinda naive sometimes and will think you care about our dog lol. We know what y’all want but some of us definitely will believe you actually mean what you say. I didn’t even know that was a seduction tactic until I started learning how to seduce men, and now I do it and I finally am starting to understand. Unless you’re really attractive or have sexy energy, which it seems like you don’t - please don’t go direct. Stay indirect and literally read Neil Strauss and Mystery Method. Your p…
/r/seduction28/12/24 01:31 AM
2

Indirect approach only. Never compliment a woman’s appearance. Every man ever does this, your goal is to not be like all the other guys. (We know you are, so don’t worry) Learn how to small talk. Maybe read Mystery Method - take out the peacocking and negging which are over the top tactics. Just the basics.
/r/seduction28/12/24 01:23 AM
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No. I meant just memorable fun things. Not locking down things. My goal is to learn seduction, push/pull, and fun ways to get guys a little hooked without a relationship. Just to play the field from the girl’s perspective.
/r/seduction28/12/24 12:24 AM
1

wym? men hate sluts. they’re used and abused and discarded and seen as the scum of society. but yes, guys who are serious will next you at the first overstep of sluttiness so you have to be careful
/r/seduction27/12/24 06:32 PM
2

Here! As a woman this is where I started. Once you dive deep it’s actually so fun too! The harder thing is reverse engineering the tactics and ensuring you’re using them in a feminine way. There’s no solid practical books on being a siren
/r/seduction27/12/24 10:06 AM
2

Go on a date first. At the end of the first or second date, look into his eyes then at his lips, then at his eyes again and lean in. So first secure the date!
/r/seduction27/12/24 09:21 AM
6

Any good girl game tips that made these experiences more memorable? I’ll totally check out the 5 Principles of Natural Seduction - that’s new for me.
/r/seduction27/12/24 08:56 AM
2

Just compliment her style and see if she lingers, then keep talking.
/r/seduction27/12/24 08:54 AM
3

You need to be a gentleman with a youthful mischievous side. We love hot young men. Honestly it’s just taboo but like even if I’m in my late 20s and not a MILF, i can’t deny like peak hotness for men is probably 22-25. The only problem is y’all are immature. Act mature. Flirt with her. Be different from men your age. Compliment her mentally and emotionally. Then bring it physically, she’s older - men aren’t pursuing her with the same vigor they used to. This is your chance to learn how to be sex…
/r/seduction27/12/24 07:23 AM
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Like you said; he hates slutty women (most men do - so either way seduction is great) do you gotta be coy. You’re about to play the long game. First things first, ensure you’re so secure and comfortable with yourself. Second, figure out what type of seducers you are. Google traits and see what aligns with you. You need to practice in the mirror. Eye contact. Lip biting. Sexy stares. When you interact with him, confidently touch his arms, his back, and his shoulders, his face, his hair. Ask him f…
/r/seduction27/12/24 07:02 AM
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Women do this. So same same
/r/seduction26/12/24 03:18 PM
1

Just experiment with makeup. If you really feel like you need it and it’ll help. Who cares
/r/seduction26/12/24 04:29 AM
1

You can if you cater to gay men! And no; in fact i think it’s going to get worst. Then VR, AI, robots, etc. it’ll be fun.
/r/seduction26/12/24 04:13 AM
0

why not
/r/seduction25/12/24 11:27 PM
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I struggle with building attraction with men too and I think it’s this mindset. You don’t feel attractive/desirable. Just think about having sex with women. As long as it’s only in your head, you can begin to take conscious effort to make it okay. Once you’re okay with it - move to actual visualization. Meditate on it. Get comfortable with the thought of women being attracted to you. Say hi and flirt a little with random women. Compliment them. Do small acts for them (like open a door with a fli…
/r/seduction25/12/24 07:30 AM
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Ive been ghosted by a guy that i thought could’ve been the one if he were more trustworthy and honest but i know he was a serious liar (even literally described himself as honest and trustworthy) serial cheater and not a good guy so he actually saved me! Shed your tears and get ready for a fun sexy seductive 2025!!! If you can cold/warm approach, connect with, and meet a truly attractive woman once, you can do it again!!
/r/seduction25/12/24 01:05 AM
1

If you’re happy with the standard of living and traditions there and can learn the language, i don’t see why not. I’ve considered going to Europe to date men there too for funsies, but I personally couldn’t live anywhere except USA i love this country and i love American southern sexy gentlemen. But i love French, British, and a couple other types of men too i just can’t live over there!
/r/seduction25/12/24 01:01 AM
2

everything just depends. if you work at McDonald’s and have a 6 figure wife, you still may not get full custody of the kids - but you may not have to pay child support or the child support will be like $100 per kid. But that’s with or without a wife. If I’m being honest, some of the more doormat women will probably have a kid out of wedlock and you can just pay child support and be a weekend dad if you want that. My male friends that have foreign brides typically love them. But they’re very trad…
/r/seduction25/12/24 12:45 AM
5

It matters if you think it matters. But you’re not getting any younger and i hear its harder to find quality people with no kids as we get older. If you get more experience, you may find it easier to find “quality women” whatever that means to you. But you may be left wondering if you let a really good one get away. If you stay with her, you may wonder what else is out there. As a woman, I’m in the same spot rn. I haven’t found a “perfect guy” but dating some pretty quality guys rn and just expl…
/r/seduction25/12/24 12:33 AM
8

Quality post. Could use some more practical advice, but definitely quality enough to be a book.
/r/seduction25/12/24 12:22 AM
1

Sometimes i definitely feel the same, like i go out and flirt with men just to go through the motions not because i care or want anything from them - i just need to practice. I won’t lie, it helps you mentally prepare for when you meet the one. So i get it
/r/seduction24/12/24 09:31 PM
2

Any tips on building attraction & resetting your angle of pathology?
/r/seduction24/12/24 09:13 PM
1

If sex doesn’t motivate you - why not just focus on yourself instead of women?
/r/seduction24/12/24 09:10 PM
5

Don’t directly ask to make out and hookup, yes to most men that is desperate and loser like. Just ask him to hangout or go on a date or something and escalate from there.
/r/seduction24/12/24 08:50 PM
1

What book/content are you pulling from that has “value taking” as a reference?? I’d love to read it.
/r/seduction24/12/24 03:37 PM
2

You laughed in her face… you ruined your own chances. Maybe next time, don’t laugh in her face?
/r/seduction24/12/24 03:35 PM
8

Bars/clubs are just 3rd spaces. Duh you can hit on people anywhere. Brain dead take, stop being radical. This is the male version of women’s “men ain’t shit” radicalization.
/r/seduction24/12/24 03:07 PM
1

No. I’m in my 20s trying to learn.
/r/seduction24/12/24 01:34 PM
2

are you attractive enough to attract the woman you want? maybe do some better hobbies.
/r/seduction24/12/24 05:14 AM
2

Not necessarily. I’ve been enthusiastic in conversations where men just basically sucked and were extremely awkward. I’ve had to carry them and do lots of work like pulling teeth. But then i learned a few skills to make it easier for guys to open up to me and feel more comfortable around me, and I’ve been practicing flirting and seduction. I think y’all just don’t understand what’s actually going on and the skill set lots of older more confident women are utilizing here Wym by the last part? I t…
/r/seduction24/12/24 04:19 AM
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But were you consciously aware of what she was doing that made this happen? I think you could analyze this further. It’s not as simple as she just reciprocated. She knew what she was doing and gave you grace and guidance to create a fulfilling engagement. I’ve been practicing this deeply as someone who has had many horrible and awkward conversations with men. She clearly put in work to make sure you felt good and like a competent conversationalist. Whereas young women probably just don’t underst…
/r/seduction24/12/24 04:15 AM
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As a woman, most of us probably don’t become good at that until our late 30s as we get experience. Usually girls who are flirty and good at making men feel good might get paired off in HS/college which explains the 2 kids. Can you elaborate on what made the experience so refreshing? Break down the details.
/r/seduction24/12/24 01:09 AM
2

Both genders are like this. Natural law, human nature.
/r/seduction24/12/24 12:35 AM
1

Yes.
/r/seduction23/12/24 11:03 PM
8

Outside. Or, places where the type of woman you want goes.
/r/seduction23/12/24 09:31 PM
15

The guy who seduced me is my inspiration for wanting to learn how to seduce men. He had a really strong reality, was incredibly charming, successful, smart, tall, and maybe a 6/7 attractiveness so that made him feel attainable. He knew exactly what to say to make me melt. He carried himself like a Prince Charming out of a movie. He had this perfect gentleman on the outside, you don’t know what could happen behind closed doors aura that entranced me. I would’ve followed him anywhere. The passion …
/r/seduction23/12/24 09:21 PM
3

Be hot. Hot as you can be. The sexier/hotter the better. Be subtle like set him up to connect dots in his head vs just telling him; he’ll be more passionate and think everything is his idea which will give him masculine confidence. Be intentional. Eye contact. Stroke his ego. Always be kino’ing.
/r/seduction23/12/24 02:40 AM
2

Both genders need game. If you’re chasing women; you’re probably shooting up and have low self esteem.
/r/seduction23/12/24 02:33 AM
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If you’re looking for a relationship, you’re probably the problem. Maybe lower your standards?
/r/seduction23/12/24 02:29 AM
1

Wym why is it a struggle? And no, you must be good looking imo - i wouldn’t even accept it from a good looking guy but yes some women will hate it if you’re unattractive and insult you but horny women definitely will be ok if you’re a quality enough man. Good looking can be barely above average and just have a good profile btw.. I’ve met hotties with terrible social media and OLD accounts. But what’s the problem? What results do you want or expect vs what you’re currently doing?
/r/seduction22/12/24 01:47 AM
1

If 80% of women say yes when you ask for sex those are really good results, better than 99% of men. You must be really hot or something because as a woman this behavior would gross me out. What’s the problem here? You’re never going to get 100% of women. Some women just won’t like you, want a relationship, or prefer other seduction skills.
/r/seduction21/12/24 11:03 PM
3

ask
/r/seduction21/12/24 10:57 PM
1

It’s totally okay to ask permission before a kiss! Just make the moment hot and steamy. Like you said, you don’t wanna go from 0 to 100. You wanna build those butterflies and fireworks.
/r/seduction21/12/24 10:48 PM
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You’re coming on a little too strong. I do too, i have very straight forward communication so i really relate to your struggles with men. Contrary to popular belief lots of men do not like that sort of stuff. They find it off putting or may feel like they’re being scammed or more attractive men with options might actually find it boring and too easy. Maybe start implying things a little slower so men can connect the dots themselves and feel empowered (this makes them more passionate). Ie in situ…
/r/seduction21/12/24 10:30 PM
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You’re not wrong, the problem is you’re asking people to run before they even crawl. You’re saying “just be confident bro/sis” when frankly all of us have insecurities and if we’re not super experienced with the opposite gender or have faced rejection we may have bitterness and anxiety surrounding a lot of things. Some of us need a solid foundation. I know for me as a woman, I’ve always gotten male attention but I didn’t care (was focused on my career and my life) and only dated a few guys. So w…
/r/seduction21/12/24 06:49 PM
2

Men don’t like that and I think it’s a rare occurrence in and of itself. Some men may pretend to like it online but they will definitely start to disrespect/resent the woman. 50/50 with a hot woman sounds best for OP. But beautiful/hot women are already rare, think about American obesity rates, like 60-70% of women are fat (so like 20% of women are hot), an ambitious one is probably even more rare (like 5% of women), then one that will be excited to split the bills is like 2.5% of women.
/r/seduction20/12/24 04:36 PM
1

That’s so awesome that your mentor was so integrated into the scene that he taught some pretty popular guys! You’re so lucky. That stuff really opened my eyes as a woman and so many things that used to not make sense clicked for me! I would wonder why I’m into losers and why it’s hard for me to be attracted to/find quality guys. I wondered why some girls I worked with slept with such loser managers when they’re so pretty or even had decent boyfriends! I wondered why some of my friends or even be…
/r/seduction20/12/24 08:26 AM
1

We women, contrary to popular belief. Are adults who can take care of ourselves. Maybe communicate with them? They may even help you find women! As women will feel safer going home with you if we know other women consider you as safe.
/r/seduction20/12/24 06:54 AM
1

Pfft fly me out and i will be your wing woman 🤣 But how you’re feeling is totally human. you just gotta push through it a little.
/r/seduction20/12/24 06:48 AM
1

that’s okay! I’m kinda scared of men too and i have an amazing brother who would never hurt a fly and is so sweet and gentleman like and a pretty great father who did have a hoe phase in his youth but mostly respects women! most of my interactions with men are good but sometimes the few that are bad can leave a lasting impact. you really don’t need friends to hit on women, you need to get outta your head. i think you’re definitely physically attractive enough for your type based on my quick glan…
/r/seduction20/12/24 06:36 AM
3

Yeah, loser was in quotes so i agree with perceived, plenty of insecure attractive, successful, and amazing men in the world. They’re often just hiding from or scared of women tbh lol. RSD/PUA explains a lot of this! Gorgeous women are just as insecure as a lot of men. Many humans, especially attractive women have severe trauma or yeah - just never had to work to be intelligent and let their looks carry them. They’ll go after the man that’s socially perceived as high status in their emotionally …
/r/seduction20/12/24 06:14 AM
1

Be kind and open with him. He’s going to be a slow burner and this will be fun for both of you! Kiss him, make out with him, let him touch your body. Then take a step back and give him some space to crave you. Light push/pull. (Im learning this too!) give him some playful banter, text him about the kissing and light escalating. Hold his hand. Gaze in his eyes and randomly peck him. When you’re alone grind on him a little while you make out and push him to second base until he’s comfortable then …
/r/seduction20/12/24 06:00 AM
2

Sounds like you’re scared of women and feeling insecure. Just address those problems. We’re raised to be polite, even the hot ones. Just talk to us, we only bite sometimes 😉
/r/seduction20/12/24 05:42 AM
5

Like i said, it’s not a real indicator if a man is dangerous or a creep. It’s a sudo indicator if a man is confident and has a strong sense of his reality. As mentioned in RSD/PUA material. We think we have this magic radar but really we have a strong idea of what man could potentially have social status in some environment. This is good for us evolutionary wise because it meant our kids have an average ability to survive and will have some confidence sometimes. This is bad because we don’t genu…
/r/seduction20/12/24 05:36 AM
1

You don’t have to change your personality. Just genuinely learn who you are and how you can bring your best side out to the opposite gender. Over my life, i have not always been the most attractive option to men. I’m average cute/pretty. Like a 6 in looks, maybe a 7 if I’m done up right. But as i develop my personality, become more confident, and polarize myself based on my personality while learning mild skills to help me attract my type - more men that i actually like and have potential to be …
/r/seduction20/12/24 05:14 AM
5

Relief when escalated is like eating when you’re hungry and stopping before you’re too full. If she’s hungry, give her more and that will relieve her hunger. If she’s full, more food (flirting/escalation) will then turn her off/disgust her. As a girl; i think constantly checking for reassurance without needing validation is the most pivotal point here. He’s not wanting or waiting for the girl to verbally communicate anything (most women hate this and we expect you to read our minds). Luckily for…
/r/seduction20/12/24 04:07 AM
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Quality post. RSD really emphasizes this. Men are visual first and a little more shallow than women (which is fine and has been great for humanity), personality kinda comes second. Whereas women evaluate a man by his entire being and sometimes automatically assume confidence and a good frame will mean he’s a good man/has potential. It’s why a lot of us can accidentally get caught up with losers and unavailable men despite claiming we have a “creep” radar. The “creep radar” is really just our int…
/r/seduction20/12/24 03:38 AM
1

I mean; just be a dirtbag. Go after a less attractive, desperate, insecure woman. Ensure they know you’re a dirtbag so they can’t be mad about that later (or they can but you can just tell them you never lied to them). You’ll get a lot of rejection but once you find the right woman, you’ll be able to enjoy yourself for at least a few months. Just court her the same way you’d court a regular woman but be sure she knows you’ll never be in a serious relationship with her. I’ve seen married guys pul…
/r/seduction20/12/24 01:11 AM
2

All humans have equal capacity to be creepy. Women are more hive minded (which is why we’re commonly very “good” and better at school) and men are more risk takers on average (hence higher earning potential, higher death rates, and typically do cooler things), so i don’t really understand where you’re coming from. Could you elaborate?
/r/seduction20/12/24 01:05 AM
2

Can you elaborate on how you do this and maybe zoom out the perspective to be gender neutral? As a woman I’d like to know how to do the reverse. I know I can dangle the sex carrot but frankly I’ve been a relationship girl my entire life, so it’s a whole different skill set!
/r/seduction19/12/24 10:58 PM
3

Men are actually very similar! I think humans are just emotional creatures. Lots of men will enjoy doing things that aren’t logical based on emotions and adventure. It’s why sometimes guys fall for manic pixie dream girls, marry horrible women who logically make no sense, and various other things.
/r/seduction19/12/24 10:51 PM
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Stop wondering/caring. Just like men, women are not a monolith. Some of us are looking for relationships, some are looking to see where things go. Some want sex, some want free food.
/r/seduction19/12/24 10:48 PM
7

Thank you so much for this excellent advice 🥰 We’re all learning. Just because you’re not a master, doesn’t mean you don’t have valuable things to teach others. I loved your post, look forward to reading more from you for sure!
/r/seduction19/12/24 09:26 PM
0

Anywhere outside
/r/seduction19/12/24 08:53 PM
14

We women are simple creatures. We hate creepy men who make us feel unsafe and uncomfortable. Except the traumatized women with daddy issues - they’re confused because they’re clueless about men and whatnot. So you need to work on escalation. Start learning how to be more playful, sexual, and comforting. Build comfort - compliment something about her looks she put effort into. “Your hair looks stunning”, “i love your sense of style”, etc. this separates you from 80% of men who are generic and cal…
/r/seduction19/12/24 08:00 PM
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Great post and great reply, I completely agree. I’m a girl. So, I’m more so wondering outer logic. Can you zoom out to more of a gender neutral way? In trying to kinda learn how to get in men’s heads a little better and give them an equal amount of stimulation, make them feel seduced. I already do lots of compliments and mild strategic kino which works well. I’m just learning how to build intense attraction, intimacy, and sexual tension better. I’m naturally pretty passionate and slowly becoming…
/r/seduction19/12/24 07:43 PM
6

Great post. I admit most of this works on me. And builds intense attraction. I think men love talking about themselves just as much as women do same principles apply to both genders! The soft date thing just has to be more subtle from a woman’s perspective - you have to make him feel like everything is his idea so he can feel sexy and manly.
/r/seduction19/12/24 07:39 PM
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How did you learn to do this?
/r/seduction19/12/24 06:40 PM
3

Just date less hot women. More average or less attractive women are more willing to go 50/50.
/r/seduction19/12/24 06:13 PM
1

Split it or don’t pay for it. Some girls won’t sleep with you afterwards, some girls wouldn’t sleep with you whether you paid or not. Who cares.
/r/seduction19/12/24 06:12 PM
1

You have to be in a really positive state of mind. I’d be so open to talking to a man at a coffee shop/library/book store; I’ve approached 2 guys and casually chatted with others. Look attractive (well groomed), order a drink or pick up a book so you’re not some creeper (which i assume you’ll do since you already frequent them but just reiterating). Start with small talk and compliments to warm yourself up (someone said that in here) then from there start learning how to gauge their body languag…
/r/seduction19/12/24 06:02 PM
1

American
/r/seduction19/12/24 05:51 PM
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I agree! This advice works wonderfully for both genders. Nobody likes needy/too nice people. It comes off as desperate. Always have a rotation unless you know your current life is extremely fulfilling, then you can afford not to because you’re genuinely busy. Always be meeting new people so even if you do like someone early, you can rebound and reinvest your energy.
/r/seduction18/12/24 11:53 PM
2

yes. just make her feel safe.
/r/seduction18/12/24 02:23 PM
1

OP asked why we don’t respond. I’m average looking so this is a baseline of what most women experience.
/r/seduction18/12/24 02:18 PM
5

why is it difficult to ask for any date after the first one? this feels like the easiest part of dating. just ask.
/r/seduction18/12/24 01:45 AM
1

Split evenly.. girls avoid both. How do women use the attention against men? Like only use them for attention but nothing else?
/r/seduction17/12/24 09:04 PM
5

Ass grabbing is ok. Keep your hands out her pants or nobody will want to go home with you. Have some class.
/r/seduction17/12/24 08:23 PM
5

As a woman, the best way to approach is indirectly. Say hi, ask her about her gym experience. Maybe ask if she’s doing any classes or has a gym routine worked out. Just be kind so she can let her guard down. If she’s receptive, keeps the conversation going, lingers while you talk, touches you or seems flirty - go for the close (number, or even an instant date if your gym has a cafe or something nearby). If she’s unreceptive, leave her alone and say you’ll see her around. Don’t be afraid to say h…
/r/seduction17/12/24 07:10 PM
2

This is the reason women started hating being approached. You’re ruining the dating market for better men.
/r/seduction17/12/24 07:07 PM
4

I’m a girl
/r/seduction17/12/24 05:07 AM
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I’m average and i get just about every match i swipe right on. Most people of both genders are boring. Your profile might suck. I give up on dating apps very often as meeting/going on dates can feel like pulling teeth. Irl interactions are more authentic. Tinder is the wordy social online dating app, only fans girls and prostitutes use it so most men on there will ask for nudes or to pay for sex.
/r/seduction16/12/24 11:36 PM
3

Then why did you post this post?
/r/seduction16/12/24 06:03 PM
3

In your post history you are basically failing college, seem to have no life/hobbies, and cheated on your “perfect” ex gf. Just pay for it so you can stop chasing useless validation.
/r/seduction16/12/24 04:51 PM
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No. I wanted one but I acknowledge it won’t be as good as this one. Not enough participation. Seduction is an art. I want to be an artist. This sub is mostly men trying to get laid. Which is fine. Everyone has goals and can be rewarded for their efforts. I want to genuinely seduce everyone and be a true seductress/master flirt though.
/r/seduction16/12/24 04:24 PM
2

Just pay for it
/r/seduction16/12/24 04:17 PM
1

I would just use 2 for attention and he’d be a loser creep in my mind.
/r/seduction14/12/24 04:38 AM
1

It’s just a start. I will document. Thank you for your comment. Nothing is comprehensive, i think it’s supposed to be innate. So the women books are so bad if you have had trauma or maybe autism. They’re like “just exist” and occasionally strike up conversation. But obviously just existing has not given me a quality partner. I think being able to genuinely pick out our partner; even if we use indirect communication to do it will allow for less divorce and horrible relationships. Most women choos…
/r/seduction12/12/24 01:19 PM
2

I have no idea how to get to the primal desire. I feel autistic damn near. Like enjoying a man should be nature to me; but most of my interactions with men are forced. I need to clearly talk to lots of men to get over my anxiety and negative perceptions. I know men are just people. Idk I think once you accept that your gender probably isn’t what you think it is and really emphasize what you’ve seen work - game gets better for both genders. I’ve seen game work on women, even the ugliest brokest g…
/r/seduction12/12/24 01:12 PM
1

This is literally a PUA/seduction sub - there’s no women version. I’d probably equate this to “nice girl” thinking. Most men don’t like nice girls; so take what you want from that.
/r/seduction12/12/24 01:07 PM
1

Men don’t appreciate women who cook anymore. I want to date multiple men and choose one for a relationship. Men hate sluts and don’t respect them. So no; it’s not my goal. No, if i take your advice I’ll be a joke and a loser while the guy i tried to court is taking another girl on dates and asking her to be his girlfriend. I’ve literally seen this happen where a girl friend of my planned an extremely romantic date for a man and he copied the entire thing for another girl and made the other girl …
/r/seduction12/12/24 01:05 PM
1

Nice people finish last. Everyone knows that.
/r/seduction12/12/24 01:01 PM
2

I’m trying to work on my attachment style before I get a relationship. I want to be more secure and have an abundance of options so i don’t get stuck on one man (had a very awful situation happen a few years ago where i got stuck on a guy and it basically ruined my life so i am starting over from scratch). In the past before my emotional breakdown; i had ok goals and social intelligence. Just figured I’d start a family with my ex. I am cute/average/pretty. Like a 6 or 7 in looks maybe. Yes, almo…
/r/seduction12/12/24 04:40 AM
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Except the negging has worked in the past. I’ve never had a cooking date before; but most men will think that’s low effort and will make you an easy doormat with an invitation for sex in 2024 - big NO THANK YOU. i think you’re underestimating how much men take advantage of and use nice girls. I’ve seen this happen countless times where men will treat good girls who cook for them like trash while making girls that they actually put effort into their gf and treat the other girl way better!
/r/seduction12/12/24 04:13 AM
1

Most people are kinda boring, most Americans are kinda fat. Obviously the goal is to show off your personality and bring the best out of others but that doesn’t happen over night and you need some sort of metric to determine if you’re doing well. Ie for men that metric would be numbers, dates, sex. For women the metric can be validation, dates, long term relationship prospects. Everyone craves connection. Even giving people the opportunity to flirt can give others self confidence. And I’ve seen …
/r/seduction12/12/24 04:11 AM
1

I find this works with men too but I am too much of a nice girl. Any tips?
/r/seduction10/12/24 04:39 AM
2

Thank you. You’re right. Exactly, ugly strippers make money and unattractive gold diggers get great partners. Being charming and charismatic is super important for both genders. Men don’t mind talking to a nice girl; they may even enjoy it or take her out on a date. But nice girls are not fun nor exciting. Most men aren’t getting in relationships with or being good to nice girls. Yeah… i am working on my self esteem. It’s an ongoing battle and i don’t understand what is going on with me. I don’t…
/r/seduction06/12/24 04:34 AM
2

I want both. If women need no game, explain why unattractive women can get hot men and why women can be gold diggers? I’m attractive enough that men are complimenting me and give me attention. I’m a nice girl so i think they get bored or something.
/r/seduction06/12/24 02:58 AM
1

Im going to learn girl game or die trying. I’ve seen too many unattractive women and women who are gold diggers get what they want for me to believe what you’re saying. I don’t want a guy like you, so i think that means i shouldn’t take your advice. Thank you for your opinion though.
/r/seduction02/12/24 05:04 PM
1

Then explain diggers, high class escorts, ugly girls who get hot guys. Fat girls with muscular men. Cleopatra. Some women have game. It’s just way more rare because men desire to be players more than women do. Women are too scared and goodie 2 shoes. Women want to be wonderful whereas more men will snoop to questionable and evil methods. I want to get down and dirty and I’m willing to even get a little evil if it gets me success.
/r/seduction02/12/24 07:23 AM
1

I think this is a big problem. Idk how to gauge a man’s self esteem
/r/seduction02/12/24 02:35 AM
1

I’m just only attracting shallow attention. It’s my fault for having no game.
/r/seduction02/12/24 02:30 AM
2

I just have no game. I am struggling for dates; i think my personality is a little boring on dating apps and i don’t go out enough to consistently meet men.
/r/seduction02/12/24 02:26 AM
1

It’s more like… they project their insecurities and don’t know any better. It’s equivalent to how men ask women for dating advice and women say things like “be yourself”. We’re incompetent when we don’t know any better.
/r/seduction02/12/24 02:25 AM
1

Well, then I need even more tips to be a player.
/r/seduction02/12/24 02:04 AM
1

What is the script?
/r/seduction01/12/24 11:15 PM
1

Im average in looks. I am losing weight but its an insignificant difference. I’m already healthy. Ie 22 bmi to 20 bmi. So like 10 lbs. I get lots of attention. I have a fun and sweet auras most guys call me sweet and bubbly. It just never transfers into anything. But i think someone else found my problem, i lack vulnerability and men don’t feel comfortable or excited around me. I’m logical and kinda boring. Women like femininity and emotions in women. It’s the polarity. They don’t like masculine…
/r/seduction30/11/24 05:37 PM
1

It’s not my looks. I’m average. It’s my personality.
/r/seduction29/11/24 11:56 PM
1

I agree! Thank you. It’s not just women’s advice. A lot of men come in here and project their insecurities and I’m guilty of this too. Men are not horny monoliths who jump on the opportunity to fuck any woman. Seduction is complex for both genders. Thanks. My situation isn’t special. Women are struggling just as much as men. I think 1. I’m removed from easy social interactions (college, etc). 2. I was in a relationship and then spent time working on myself. 3. I’m just a chronic nerd. I have int…
/r/seduction29/11/24 11:45 PM
1

I never had high standards or expectations for meeting. I’ve just historically been in places filled with men easy to interact in. High school, college, going to clubs/events, & being in relationships. Dating as an adult leaves you without the social privileges of being in a certain places. I just hoped the seduction community would be more open minded. I added it to my book queue. Thanks for the recommendation.
/r/seduction29/11/24 11:39 PM
2

I have no expectations. I am not even asking for a LTR. My bio was meant to be teasing and fun in the beginning. I did take out the “no penpal” but i put that because guys were farming my number and I finally decided i would only give my number to men who had intentions to meet/I’ve met. I am not pressuring anyone into a LTR. My only barriers to entry are be 5’5 or taller, don’t be obese, be hygienic, have financial stability, and want to meet in person. Sometimes I’ve met guys in person but whe…
/r/seduction28/11/24 04:43 PM
1

I am literally telling you i already do everything you said i need to do. I’ve had 3 men take me on dates this year. 2/3 were from dating apps. Only 1 was from me real life approaching people. I regularly go out of my way to ask men out. All you’re telling me to do is stop doing what’s working for me 66% of the time and focus only on something working for me 33% of the time. I need actionable tips on how to be better at talking and flirting with men and learning how to read them better so i can …
/r/seduction28/11/24 07:21 AM
1

I won’t be unhappy if i never date/have sex again. I’d prefer the company of a good man, but my happiness doesn’t depend on a relationship. 🙂 I will keep asking men out. But you’re not telling me anything i wasn’t already doing. Contrary to popular belief, there aren’t just loads of men at bookstores or sexy fun men at clubs to talk to. Especially these days where lots of guys go to the club in small boy groups. Sometimes i even end up talking to groups of men just to break the ice. Plus, clubs/…
/r/seduction28/11/24 05:50 AM
1

You’re literally telling me to keep doing what isn’t working…. I AM asking men out and regularly getting rejected. Even today. Yes, it’s mostly on dating apps because I don’t meet men everyday. If I meet good seeming men, I will ask them out and if I get rejected who cares. I just am not successful. So I’m trying to learn.
/r/seduction28/11/24 04:56 AM
1

One of the most reasonable advice and answers. Men aren’t a monolith but I do need to practice getting better at reading how masculine and confident they are! I think this is part of what was missing for me, thank you!
/r/seduction27/11/24 04:39 PM
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I haven’t had sex in over a year. Since with my ex boyfriend. If i cannot even get a date, what makes you think im getting sex? lol
/r/seduction27/11/24 02:17 PM
3

I think what you’re failing to see here is I’m average looking. So even if i ask guys out, most will be flattered but they will reject me. You’re applying this advice in the manner of “woman I’m attracted to and wish would come into me”. Then the ones who are attracted to me will flake because they’re probably thinking “why is she so desperate to ask me out on a date”? I’m not against rejection, I’ve received a lot of it and i have tried it this way. I’d just like to learn alternative routes as …
/r/seduction27/11/24 02:16 PM
2

I think it is different but there’s a lot of overlap! Thanks, i will ignore them. I’m gonna go for everything i want. Idc what they say from their insecurities
/r/seduction27/11/24 02:13 PM
3

I miss when online dating didn’t suck. Yeah, having that easy to talk to connection is nice. I’m trying to work on being better at it. It’s a lot of work after being hurt. I might be trying too hard. I’m trying to learn how to relax.
/r/seduction27/11/24 02:00 PM
3

I love this. I’ll definitely consider and do more research into what it takes lol
/r/seduction27/11/24 01:48 PM
3

Thanks. I know you’re kinda right. I just hoped this subreddit would be more open minded. It’s very weird. There are some good guys sprinkled in here who know what they’re doing or are actively learning, so I guess my hopes were to hear from those types!
/r/seduction27/11/24 01:47 PM
1

I’ve done this. It hasn’t worked.
/r/seduction27/11/24 01:06 PM
1

I’m average looking for sure. I do need to meet men more irl, I think the dating apps just have the worst men on there. I know that’s on me but most of my hobbies rn aside from golf are solo hobbies. It’s like I may get a date if I talk to like 500 men on online dating, but just like what everyone says - i match with like 8/10 guys and get flooded with DMs and attention. Irl i usually get guys buying me drinks, last time i went dancing lots of guys asked me to dance and guys were stopping me say…
/r/seduction27/11/24 01:04 PM
2

Thanks. I just tried match and i don’t like it so maybe I’ll try eharmony next. 🙂 I don’t like all the swiping. I do want to plan on meeting guys more irl. I feel like i have to talk to 500 guys on the apps just to get a date.
/r/seduction27/11/24 04:00 AM
2

I am not even getting first dates and i have been single for 2 years. I don’t have this leeway.
/r/seduction27/11/24 03:53 AM
2

Because i just feel like it’s worth mentioning. I have had an ex resent me for doing better than him and frankly i don’t want to deal with it again. I’m not even getting dates so i can not right now care about it. I will be able to filter once im actually attracting men.
/r/seduction27/11/24 03:51 AM
2

The beginning, it’s a little joke. The no pen pal is to weed out men who for some reason want to text “hru beautiful” and nothing else for 1 month. I did take it out tho and just decided I’m not going to give out my number to anyone until we are planning to meet. But even doing that I’ve literally had to delete 2 guys who weren’t serious about meeting just today after literally only texting them because they said we would meet. All my interests and etc are on my profile. And yes - i haven’t been…
/r/seduction27/11/24 02:53 AM
5

most men don’t. so thanks, i guess.
/r/seduction27/11/24 02:44 AM
2

I have approached men and everything. The problem is, the guy never responds like that. I’m not against giving intimacy to the right guy. I am not even getting dates. 0 dates.
/r/seduction27/11/24 02:43 AM
2

I mean. Not all women are like that. I can personally say I split and paid for lots of things in one of my relationships, and helped him with his credit score and finances immensely. I got nothing for my hard work. Instead he started to resent me and felt emasculated because i was younger than him and a woman who was doing better than him in life. A lot of men think what they think they want will work well in the dating market, but just like women often can’t tell men how to date - watch what pe…
/r/seduction27/11/24 02:41 AM
4

Im like average to above average in everything - looks, intelligence, emotional intelligence, spiritual arts, social arts (i think this is just EQ) but idk lol. I do believe online dating attracts the worst men. I plan on getting out more. I’ve taken those crappy online IQ tests for fun and iirc i usually get ~130-150 but they’re probably super inaccurate because i googled the chart and that’s pretty high 😅
/r/seduction26/11/24 10:48 PM
2

I just want to meet lots of men. Have abundance. I’d love to go on more dates. I’m an average looking girl facially and body wise I stay in good shape and am trying to lose weight. I don’t even have any men taking me on dates, so there’s nobody to even consider for a relationship lol
/r/seduction26/11/24 09:28 PM
3

Well it’s just dates, my standards for sex or a relationship are higher. But I’ve read books where they said be open minded and just kind to everyone. So I’m trying that approach. Because i can definitely see the good in everyone and enjoy the flirting practice since obviously i need a lot of practice.
/r/seduction26/11/24 09:25 PM
22

She probably is just liking your messages to be kind. I do this to my friends lol
/r/seduction26/11/24 08:15 PM
5

I cook, i clean, im 22 bmi (and trying to lose weight to be at 21 bmi). Edit: this is my bio on OLD “romantic 💘 let’s hit the golf range, talk over a sexy candlelight dinner, & solve life’s mysteries. looking for someone with a similar zest for adventure 😉 i love cooking, cleaning, and massaging my man. maybe even tell the truth. who can keep up? let’s be spontaneous & go on a date, no pen pal”
/r/seduction26/11/24 07:30 PM
4

Then explain why i and many other women are struggling…
/r/seduction26/11/24 07:11 PM
1

Right… but idk how to not be myself. I’m naturally a very bubbly and excited girl. so i probably need more advice! what do girls that you really like do that you usually notice? especially more subtle things. if you have any good conversation examples I’d love to see them too, if you don’t mind?
/r/seduction26/11/24 06:59 PM
3

Im too straightforward. Men like more subtle women. I’m trying to learn how to. Most dating advice for women is “wait, don’t chase” and “be hot, focus on yourself”. I am doing this. So when i do go out i get lots of shallow attention, on dating apps shallow conversations, but i haven’t been on a date in months. Guys are even like saying they want to go on dates then i express interest or even take initiative to plan and they ghost. I know im capable of deeper because I’ve had good relationships …
/r/seduction26/11/24 06:46 PM
5

Men do NOT appreciate direct messages. I think my BIGGEST problem is that i am too direct/boring/straightforward and kinda dominant for most men. I’m trying to learn how to be more soft and subtle because i notice this is what men like and respond to the most. I guess i can appreciate my odds are 1/10 irl. That’s about what average male odds are too. It feels like 1/500 on dating apps. 🤣 I just have to weed through all the fake attention and compliments.
/r/seduction26/11/24 06:33 PM
1

The only time men seem to go through with the date is if they plan it first for some reason. The only time they accept my plans is when we’ve been on a date before or have hung out 1 on 1 a few times already. Usually im pretty straightforward “do you want to go on a date?” Or “I’m doing xyz, you should come along”, or I’ve even tried just saying I’m doing something and seeing if they’ll invite themselves. I’ve had this happen with guys who showed initial interest in me first, who I’ve come onto …
/r/seduction26/11/24 06:24 PM
0

Because that doesn’t work neither.
/r/seduction26/11/24 06:18 PM
4

Yes. I get thousands of likes, hundreds of matches. Hundreds of compliments. “Hi” & “you’re so beautiful” then i have to carry the conversation and go back and forth with guys i even feel mediocre about (who are not even attractive, make less money than me, and i have to carry the entire conversation). I lower my standards a lot just to get some experience. All they do is compliment me every day like bots.
/r/seduction26/11/24 05:53 PM
0

I am dominant so working on softening up. I am very friendly and flirty with most guys and even try to be more forward once we’ve exchanged at least 2-3 conversations. Attention is plentiful but none of it is translating to anything. I can get 100 men dating “hi” and “ur so beautiful” but often fizzles out/no dates. I am trying to be more active with meeting men in person because the numbers game is not worth it. I try to talk to 100 men who are not even attractive, make less money than me, and …
/r/seduction26/11/24 05:51 PM
3

Yes. Attention is plentiful but none of it is translating to anything. I can get 100 men on apps “hi” and “ur so beautiful” but often fizzles out/no dates. I am trying to be more active with meeting men in person because the numbers game is not worth it. I try to talk to 100 men who are not even attractive, make less money than me, and i have to carry the entire conversation. All they do is compliment me every day like bots.
/r/seduction26/11/24 05:49 PM
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I am a woman lol. The responses are rarely ever good. It seems, like women, - men don’t often understand what they’re actually attracted to and chase. They’re so focused on specific things. Yes, men will drool over boobs. But a lot will also think boobs are sleazy and just for temporary attention. The women you are talking about probably easily get men to get them whatever they want. I’m on the side of the spectrum where there are no men for me to compromise with. I rarely have men to even talk …
/r/seduction26/11/24 04:37 PM
3

But most men don’t care. I want to date men. Exceptions like you are rare. But i seem to only attract temporary attention and i want outside expertise from people on how to get to the next step.
/r/seduction26/11/24 04:08 PM
1

I am currently reading a book on how to be better at small talk. Everything else is fine - i am fit (22 bmi) and trying to lose more weight to get to 19-20 bmi. I put effort into my appearance and I do have my niche that i love. I have hobbies. I am independent and stable (i know men do not care about this but it’s worth mentioning). I know my soft skills are the biggest issue here but everyone seems to just say “women don’t need seduction”. Clearly i need it because men are not escalating with …
/r/seduction26/11/24 03:44 PM
0

You’re literally doing what I said doesn’t work in my post… Clearly, I show up. I smile at lots of men. I look presentable. I am average in looks but even my married coworkers (male) have told me “you’re beautiful, intelligent, have a perfect bubbly personality”. Guys are not asking me out. They will buy me drinks at the bars. They will greet me in passing. I will even linger after interacting with men a little to see if they will take initiative, they often do not. When I’ve been direct in the …
/r/seduction26/11/24 03:40 PM
140

If she wasn’t smiling at you or checking you out, maybe she just thought you were weird.
/r/seduction25/11/24 02:38 AM
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I want to charm men. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with learning this skill set. Men love to buy me drinks in the club, buy bottle service, and give me lots of attention or follow me on social media. Idk. I guess my personality needs work.
/r/seduction24/11/24 01:21 AM
1

Learn by doing. You seem to get dates which means you have the looks and immediate appeal down. You need to work on the next step. Why are you struggling to set boundaries with men who are not your boyfriend?
/r/seduction23/11/24 11:47 PM
1

Wym? I’m here because i want to learn to seduce men.
/r/seduction23/11/24 09:15 PM
-4

Women deserve to seduce men too. Weird take.
/r/seduction23/11/24 07:23 PM
8

Men don’t like serious women, have fun You’re too clingy & needy, men hate that You seem to have no game. Work on that.
/r/seduction23/11/24 07:22 PM
1

Any man that hits on me, i assume he’s attracted to me. Idk about other women. Most of us average girls get hit on pretty often, every time we go out. I can’t imagine how it must be for more beautiful women. Men never compliment our style or other things about us, so it stands out when y’all do.
/r/seduction21/11/24 10:57 PM
3

Looks makes you seem like every other guy. Every guy calls us pretty/gorgeous/beautiful/sexy. If you want to be like everyone else or just passively compliment, that’s fine.
/r/seduction21/11/24 10:34 PM
1

Men are the same way. Everyone is like this. It’s easy.
/r/seduction21/11/24 12:36 PM
3

Healthy women can tell. Unhealthy and/or insecure women cannot. So women who say “we can tell” usually come from good homes or have done the work to become very secure with themselves. Creeps usually know which women are easy victims. ie some older men will say “go after young girls with messed up teeth because their parents may not have cared enough about them to get them braces” or something of that nature.
/r/seduction19/11/24 09:09 PM
0

nothing. Be attractive. Don’t be unattractive. Know what you want. Know what you bring to the table.
/r/seduction17/11/24 04:48 PM
4

Even average girls like me get almost every guy we swipe right on. And most guys say the same things, it’s easy for everyone to want to give up.
/r/seduction17/11/24 04:15 AM
2

No. We’re not attracted to you. We see you as safer. It’s instant comfort because when other women trust you, we see you as trustworthy and not a threat/enemy.
/r/seduction16/11/24 08:38 PM
2

Just talk to the friend too. If you want the girl, avoid being selfish, low effort, and one track minded. It’s a turn off.
/r/seduction16/11/24 08:37 PM
1

what is the natural instinct? Don’t get me wrong - women feel SAFER when they know other women trust you. So you have social proof, i have 100% seen this in action and have been a wing for guys in this capacity. But i think only girls who want to be like side chicks care about it or if they already really like the guy they might get a little jealous. so if that’s the quality of girls you like, or if you’re just looking to bang a side chick or something i see no issue. But I’ve never heard a stor…
/r/seduction16/11/24 03:52 AM
1

ok. maybe im just not hot enough for guys to use this tactic on me. I’ve never experienced it so i dont know. I’ve never seen it outside of Reddit and PUA material.
/r/seduction16/11/24 03:32 AM
1

It’s gonna be ok. I also struggle with wanting to talk to men if you wanna hear what’s it’s like on the flip side as an average woman! I don’t really want to talk to men at all. It’s so exhausting and boring 99% of the time and I also have little game. Hopefully a small break can refresh us.
/r/seduction16/11/24 03:20 AM
1

what if she doesn’t follow him on social media? i know i don’t follow the only guy ive ever had a crush on and i wasn’t jealous of him cuz he was around other girls. i liked him because of who he was and the fact that he expressed extreme interest in me. in fact, none of the guys who i think are cute that i watch on social media post girls, they usually post their hobbies and stuff. i think this will only work if he’s expressed extreme interest and built rapport.
/r/seduction16/11/24 02:40 AM
10

if you don’t want marriage and kids, just find a woman who doesn’t want that. then you can have love without the pressure.
/r/seduction16/11/24 02:35 AM
1

yes.
/r/seduction16/11/24 01:21 AM
1

He wasn’t my lover. We didn’t have sex. I think you’re onto something. I probably am coming on too strong and need to do more pulling and relax instead of hunting like men hunt. I will try that with all the new men I meet. Edit: i also think certain things are what men want. Ie 1 reason i suspect the guy didn’t want me was because i was clingy/neediness because i was insecure (i asked for feedback but he just ghosted me) i think men want women who are independent and won’t be too clingy in the s…
/r/seduction15/11/24 10:46 PM
3

Men do the same thing. Lots of men pine after and think about girls that were nice to them that rejected them, girls that didn’t have sex with them that they “romanced”, a lot of guys get into pick up because their girl left them or their crush rejected them. I didn’t like him cuz he rejected me, i liked him because he was kind to me, assertive, fun to be around, attractive, smart, ambitious, future faked me, talked about marriage and our life together and all the things we would do together and…
/r/seduction15/11/24 06:54 PM
1

after this happened to me i was extremely confused and disappointed so i deep dived into pick up artist culture and decided to learn game. I’ve never had a guy that build me up like that, had that much fun, nor been into a guy that rejected me before.
/r/seduction15/11/24 06:32 PM
9

He didn’t want me. I was insecure.
/r/seduction15/11/24 05:20 PM
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The build up. The hottest guy I’ve ever wanted that i still think about just did crazy mental foreplay. I literally was begging this guy to have sex with me. I would’ve done anything for it. Make her feel hot, confident, special, be fun - most guys are NOT fun!!! Be comfortable with yourself and make her extremely comfortable so she can be a slut for you. A lot of men are very boring and just going through the motions and doing what they have to do to get sex/a relationship. Sex is just boring a…
/r/seduction15/11/24 04:29 PM
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Been here. Just lurked. Got played by a guy and realized I had no game. He kinda hinted at learning game. Now I want to be the player.
/r/seduction13/11/24 04:59 PM
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What do you mean? I am here to learn how to seduce men, so what am i not accepting?
/r/seduction12/11/24 01:05 PM
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Thank you! I’ve spent a lot of time on this subreddit, I watch, and read a lot of game theory/tactics, materials. I really admire the hustle and dedication to create a better life for ourselves.
/r/seduction01/11/24 12:03 PM
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wym
/r/seduction01/11/24 12:02 PM
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Well, you haven’t verbalized what the difference is. They’re both value exchanges. Are they not? One prioritizes attraction and strategy. The other prioritizes money, attraction, and strategy.
/r/seduction31/10/24 04:46 PM
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Women who are escorts and only fans learn techniques to seduce men into buying their services as well. How is that not the same?
/r/seduction31/10/24 02:33 PM
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What’s the difference?
/r/seduction31/10/24 02:31 PM
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Physical: workout routine. start slow and small. go to the gym and do some exercises Mental: challenge yourself with learning new things career and personal wise Emotional: notice how you feel at all times, notice how you feel around others Social: constantly meet and greet new people Financial: get it together, learn where you are Spiritual: meditate or pray Confidence is practiced every day. One step at a time. Do small things. Get 1% better every day and by next year you will have more confid…
/r/seduction31/10/24 12:40 PM
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Both genders are bad at this. I wouldn’t put much thought into asking the opposite gender for constructive criticism because you’ll get a lot of “we don’t like this”, “be straightforward here”, “you’re so nice but…”, etc. Like some other comments said you need to start being extremely self aware. Understand every thing that you’re currently doing. Dissect that behavior. Learn what’s authentic and what you value. Get rid of everything else and start focusing on small tweaks/baby steps to get rid …
/r/seduction31/10/24 12:09 PM
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I’ve met escorts! Beautiful escorts that charge crazy amounts of money. I’m more of a mid looking girl so even though I do get some male attention I’m very independent (and have a good skill set/make good money) and I’m learning how to be more feminine and flirt with lots of men so I have a better competitive advantage in the dating market. I think escorts who make themselves beautiful for men and who’s entire work is to flirt with men well enough to get lots of money are an okay thing to study.
/r/seduction31/10/24 10:58 AM
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Why would I need to ask for assistance? I usually just try to gain perspective from a male’s POV in situations to learn what I should do, and flirt with lots of men. I just wanted to show another version of a very common analogy (comparing women getting bombarded by male attention to men getting hit on at gay clubs) to how it could be viewed from another perspective/analogy because I noticed a lot of men hate the gay bar analogy.
/r/seduction31/10/24 10:54 AM
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Okay but now we’re getting outside the realm of heterosexual relationships. You’ve brought up multiple times that men have money and reputation to lose - which is mostly projection since most people who get divorced are more typically poor, and tend to have only a HS education. So I brought up women have their lives and safety to lose. I’m not gonna say which is worse. Who cares. I’m saying both genders sacrifice in relationships. That’s it. That’s all. Both genders are opting out of dating. Sex…
/r/seduction31/10/24 10:52 AM
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Thank you so much! ❤️
/r/seduction31/10/24 10:43 AM
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Okay but hear me out, if everyone feels the way you feel - why are there techniques dedicated to getting sex from women? Why are men paying for sex, or only fans? Why aren’t we seeing the reverse?
/r/seduction31/10/24 10:43 AM
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No. I came here to learn how I can seduce men in away that aligns with me. I respect any one looking to accomplish their goals.
/r/seduction31/10/24 10:42 AM
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Compelling offer?
/r/seduction31/10/24 05:17 AM
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Not really. Sex is a commodity. We all pay for our relationships with some sort of value.
/r/seduction31/10/24 02:29 AM
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I mean being a human is hard. Women also have to worry about rape, getting beat up, getting killed, men also can be gold diggers as more women become independent and men are becoming more as some say “hobosexual” I’ve seen relationships where men will live with and ask their less attractive female counterparts for money. And men are now getting alimony and money in divorces. Not on the same scale as men but it’s happening. Women don’t kill men as much as men kill women. Seems like you really car…
/r/seduction31/10/24 02:28 AM
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Ok so you relate. We’ve both been treated bad by the dating market. Men and women both have agency in who they choose to marry. And both can choose to opt out got whatever reason. Where is the problem?
/r/seduction30/10/24 11:14 PM
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Then why are you here if you’re giving up? I at least admire men on here for taking initiative even if I don’t agree with everything being done. I didn’t let bad experiences with men (because i have had many, not to mention countless stories of horrible men from women all over the world and publicized. i only referenced the one because it hurt and i thought we had something special close to a LTR) ruin my perspective. I’ve decided to step up and seduce men. How else can i find men who are “invis…
/r/seduction30/10/24 11:06 PM
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Well women are attracted to men. Men are not attracted to men so no matter how much other men hit on them they would never consider it an option. Vs sometimes when you hit on women we enjoy it! Sometimes men enjoy being hit on by escorts even if they don’t want to pay for the services because they’re attracted to women. And if an escort has really good game and is beautiful i think more men are more likely to take up her offer!
/r/seduction30/10/24 11:01 PM
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Have I told you that your anecdotal experiences are invalid? Have I invalidated men’s very real experiences with men using them for money or leaving with their money? This happens to all women which creates the narrative “men are pigs”. And you say “women are marrying/choosing these men”, i could flip the script and say “men are choosing women who leave them and take their money”. If anything women taking men’s money is even more reason why my analogy works. We inherently are suppose to want pro…
/r/seduction30/10/24 10:40 PM
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I actually upvoted you because I value your opinion! Some other people must’ve disliked your content. I don’t particularly care for my very valid experiences that many women go through being invalidated though, as I am not invalidating that men get used for money & divorce is horrible sometimes. However, if you’re not going to discuss in good faith, I will opt out.
/r/seduction30/10/24 10:23 PM
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Well we didn’t have sex but heavy making out/petting/toeing the line so I thought the situation was different but turns out he had a gf and he just butters up new women while he’s in a relationship before the exit. And he ghosted anyone he didn’t want. All I expected was a “i changed my mind and im not interested in you” text, instead i got ghosted. And that’s okay. I’m just saying any body could get fooled like that and it’s a real reason why a lot of women have their guard up. Just like I’d im…
/r/seduction30/10/24 10:20 PM
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Is that not what men do? Try and practice techniques and different methods to get sex? Go on dates for sex? Surround women and give them attention for sex? I don’t get it.
/r/seduction30/10/24 09:50 PM
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🤣 absolutely a banger
/r/seduction30/10/24 09:44 PM
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Thank you so much ❤️ Someone in the comments made a stripper analogy that I think aligns a little better and feels less sleazy. I hate to put it in terms like this but I was hoping it works for the logical crowd!
/r/seduction30/10/24 09:42 PM
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Sometimes in the moment I’m excited and just feeling flirty! And i completely understand your frustration, I’ve been ghosted by a guy who literally told me he wanted to marry me and future faked me. It’s hard and feels cowardly for sure but we all are trying our best!
/r/seduction30/10/24 09:41 PM
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I’m a woman. We do like sex but I think most women prefer it in LTRs/marriage. So men pushing for casual more and more often (and seeking it hard enough to have so many books and seminars and subreddits dedicated to the arts of seduction) probably feels equivalent to kinda being asked for money imo. Side note I kinda think this is probably also why more and more women are going into sex work/only fans because they’re giving up on the dating market and seeing sex as more of a trading asset.
/r/seduction30/10/24 09:39 PM
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Someone said a strip club which is a better analogy! I agreed because sometimes men invite their bros there to just hangout or for bachelor parties (ie girls who go to bars/clubs/networking events to hangout with their friends and not get hit on by guys) and sometimes when the stripper is really nice and has a great personality guys will like her or spend lots of money on her! (Equivalent to a girl ending up in a relationship or giving up casual sex)
/r/seduction30/10/24 09:34 PM
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You’re saying this to someone who has literally been played by a player before. Lots of men say all the right things, warm you up, express long term intentions, lie and future fake with you. I don’t think all men are sleazy but after this has happened to you 1 time it does make you think men are sleazy. Just look at all the men here in this subreddit who are only seeking casual interactions. I don’t think men who want casual nor gold diggers/escorts are bad people. You say “we can tell when an e…
/r/seduction30/10/24 09:31 PM
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I do this :/ ngl sometimes it’s because I was drunk, just flirting, he didn’t say anything about going on a date so i think he’s not serious, or I just didn’t like the guy that much!
/r/seduction30/10/24 09:20 PM
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do men not demand sex?
/r/seduction30/10/24 09:10 PM
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Personally, I’d think you were gay! But I’m only 1 woman.
/r/seduction30/10/24 08:17 PM
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sounds like something they might do but if you find a girl with war hammer figurines, i hope you wife her up 🤣 that’s a dedicated hobby.
/r/seduction30/10/24 07:43 PM
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Thank you kindly ❤️
/r/seduction30/10/24 07:42 PM
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I think the strip club analogy is better because it’s based in reality and even classy/hot/established men who wouldn’t pay for sex enjoy a lap dance and talking to strippers sometimes! But the escort analogy just easily came to my mind because of shock value. To some women, casual sex/ONS is equivalently disgusting/desperate as paying for sex as a man to some men.
/r/seduction30/10/24 07:04 PM
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Uhm. Uhh. Ermmmm. 😵‍💫
/r/seduction30/10/24 06:59 PM
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Sorry. What is the nice guy approach in this analogy? I don’t imagine an escort would pretend to be your friend for months before asking for money, but it can happen!
/r/seduction30/10/24 06:34 PM
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This is a horrifying reality to utilize as an analogy but yes your last questions are spot on and I think they matter for both genders depending on the situation at hand.
/r/seduction30/10/24 06:29 PM
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Thanks. I have been wondering how I can bridge the communication gaps in my mind as well. I love the stripper analogy even more because it speaks to reality. Even guys who don’t usually go to strip clubs but go in support of friends could end up warming up to the stripper and spending lots of money! I’d equate that to the reverse as girls who only hit up a bar to hangout with friends but don’t want to get hit on or have casual intercourse could end up warming up to the guy and open up to the pos…
/r/seduction30/10/24 06:27 PM
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If men didn’t want women to feign interest, I don’t think we’d have the gold digger trope. More women would be open to it but men seem to hate it. Men want seemingly genuine affection and I think many will trade resources for it if she looks right. Just like most women want relationships and some will say “ick casual sex/fwb/ONS is gross” but may trade sex to certain guys if he gives her genuine affection at the right time, the right way, and looks right. I’d equate fuckboys/players/PUA who can …
/r/seduction30/10/24 06:21 PM
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If 9/10 men would trade money for affection; I don’t think we’d have the gold digger trope nor incels. Men seemingly desire genuine affection, and for women to be attracted to them in some capacity other than money.
/r/seduction30/10/24 06:15 PM
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just practice :) idk why that person is so aggressive, saying hi and being friendly with women to warm up your confidence is absolutely acceptable so you won’t get burnt out by rejection as a newbie.
/r/seduction13/03/24 11:59 PM
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