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I’m a woman.
/r/seduction13/03/25 12:57 PM
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Idc if either of us sleep with anyone. Idc how anything ends. I haven’t had sex in 3 years, I don’t understand how you’re having difficulty?
/r/seduction13/03/25 12:50 PM
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I agree. Lots of people are successfully dating and living life. Only 1/3 of people are “opting out” of dating, marriage, and family. Dating is hard but the statistics out of context are ridiculous, and nobody cares about a lot of the things Reddit losers claim to care about irl.
/r/seduction13/03/25 12:48 PM
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Yeah. But the world is filled with liars and manipulators lol. Thats the entire reason of this subreddit. And honestly the main reason I’m here is because a guy lied and manipulated me. It didn’t lead to sex; but this can be an extremely dirty game we’re playing. Alls fair in love and war. Every human has a few flaws. My goal is just to avoid manwhore cheaters.
/r/seduction13/03/25 12:42 PM
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Yeah I don’t like men that sleep around neither, so I relate. I just don’t see the appeal in lying I guess, they receive nothing from the lie. If you lie to the man, you should be lying for an outcome - to not make him feel less than or to get a LTR.
/r/seduction13/03/25 03:07 AM
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Which is not a big deal. Men lie too. This whole subreddit is made to manipulate women lol. I just don’t see why they’d have to lie in a study.
/r/seduction12/03/25 07:54 PM
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What makes you say minimizing?
/r/seduction12/03/25 07:17 PM
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we all have these moments. You have to respect yourself enough to not get used.
/r/seduction12/03/25 07:09 PM
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Being Barbie is not tomboy??? I wear dresses, makeup, nails, high heels, love shopping, etc. The only tomboy things I do are career and sports/fitness.
/r/seduction12/03/25 07:08 PM
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I agree. If all men were hot, awesome, and ambitious - we women wouldn’t know what to do. Alas, we women are also hive-minded and most women are “good girls”. So if we have slut shaming, I fear we’d live in a similar reality. But since men are awesome in this hypothetical world, maybe it would be better.
/r/seduction12/03/25 07:07 PM
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Yup. I haven’t had sex in 3 years. It’s a lot of work lol.
/r/seduction12/03/25 07:05 PM
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geez, you must be hot stuff lol
/r/seduction12/03/25 07:04 PM
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Maybe, we’ll never know. I like to believe most humans are good or honest. I could see women lying to men because men are insecure about stuff like that; just like men lie about silly things that women are insecure about too. I don’t really see women lying for no reason.
/r/seduction12/03/25 07:04 PM
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Yeah. Most guys who are sleeping with LOTS of girls are probably a bit manipulative, amoral, or cheaters. Anyone else is probably just lying.
/r/seduction12/03/25 07:03 PM
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Agree with you!
/r/seduction12/03/25 07:01 PM
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So you’re okay with like living with your parents for the rest of your life and living on low income or what? Also, poor people marry each other every day, that’s not stopping anyone. Lots of poor women are married to or dating poor men. It’s not hard to grind in most countries into at least a middle class life. I have done it and I come from a very troubled and abusive background. I don’t want to be homeless and starving and if I can grind; I don’t see how a man can’t. I have had one guy specif…
/r/seduction12/03/25 05:15 PM
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Are you saying only top 10% of men are sleeping with sluts? Or are you saying only top 10% of men are in relationships? The first point would match with statistics. As only 10% of women ARE sluts according to most statistics as 70% of women report a body count of 4 or lower. 20% are in that gray zone of 5~30. The second point can also be disproved as about 50-60% of the population are in committed relationships/marriage/unions.
/r/seduction12/03/25 04:47 PM
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I wasn’t getting any dates when I was being direct. I tried what everyone on Reddit told me to do. I slowed down and started being more indirect, feminine, and trying less. I’ve started to get maybe 1 date per month vs i used to barely get a few dates per year (by just existing, no advice). When i was being straightforward and asking men on dates, i got 0 dates throughout that entire time actually. So maybe 6 months with no dates? Just constantly texting men, men who were 4-6 in looks so very ea…
/r/seduction12/03/25 02:11 PM
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Yeah! I find men will think I’m so approachable they can say any ridiculous thing to me; or they’re so scared they can barely talk to me or run away. I’ve even had a first date where I offered a guy to do a fun activity in my apartment (genuinely only do the activity) and he was so scared he thought I meant sex and literally ran away without a hug or even a kiss on the cheek. He spent like $200 on the date. I don’t think he’d ever had a girlfriend and maybe thought I was outta his league. (We me…
/r/seduction12/03/25 01:57 PM
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Im a 6-7. I get approached or checked out almost any time I go out. But it’s not real attention. Just shallow attention because I’m cute and approachable. Guys will walk up to me and say just anything on their mind. Or they’ll compliment me and run. I’ve had a few guys approach then freak out, too scared to even ask for my contact information. Some guys ask for it then never text. Hardly any of them turn into dates. I could get 100 numbers in a week and 0 dates. I could also get 2 numbers and 2 …
/r/seduction12/03/25 02:41 AM
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I get more dates and men are completely different and more interested in me when I am indirect. Men flake/ghost if I take the lead or am too direct; even if the man initially pursued me (I’ve had this happen enough times). I am a loser lol. I can’t even date a man I like. That’s why I’m here talking to the other losers to see if anyone is climbing out of loser-ville. I’m not dating anyone! Every single interaction I have with every single man I’ve met in the last 3 years (that’s how long it’s be…
/r/seduction12/03/25 02:33 AM
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Im not having one night stands? I haven’t had sex in years. Right now all i get are some texts, some flakes, and an occasional date here or there. If he’s not what I’m looking for, i always just end things.
/r/seduction12/03/25 02:18 AM
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Right. Casts the net then I get to pick the ones I want and dwindle down the numbers until I find one that wants commitment. Vs - right now I’m just winging it and looking kind of pretty when i go outside. Dont strategically go to specific places. Don’t shit test men or really do anything. Just straight forward conversations and moving on when they don’t ask me out or if our interests don’t align.
/r/seduction11/03/25 09:08 PM
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It’d be subtle. Being hot and in the right places is just the most important and optimal thing for a woman. If I am not attracting good men, I think a big component of that is being hotter.
/r/seduction11/03/25 04:10 PM
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Well, most men don’t help their cases. But that’s the problem I guess. I’ve always dated down, so I don’t know what a better man would be like. I’ve never met one. And let Reddit tell it - a man who is masculine, attractive, loyal, ambitious, and capable is the most rarest gem in the world lol. So if I have both my masculinity figured out, and I am figuring my femininity out - I think it naturally means unless I am super hot (I’ll give myself above average without plastic surgery) or in rare pla…
/r/seduction11/03/25 04:02 PM
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Not avoiding anything. I do my work every day, and I work hard for it. Yes, I ran into one fboy… We didn’t have sex but after we parted it was the most horrific blow to my self esteem and I felt so rejected and crazy. Definitely never want to experience that again! I get a lot of shallow attention but the dates are hit or miss. So for now I’m just rejecting like 9/10 guys that talk to me because it’s blatantly obvious it’s not going anywhere. I’m not sleeping with anyone, and I haven’t for years…
/r/seduction11/03/25 04:42 AM
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Wym by pot calling the kettle black? Idc about cheaters, i just want a loyal partner for myself. Other people can live their hedonistic dreams lol. But i also wouldn’t mind like a bisexual guy or having a threesome with my man. I just wouldn’t suggest it. Not because I’m jealous but i am oddly a little territorial so it would depend on the circumstances! But like, i wouldn’t call it “settling”. More like recognizing nobody is perfect and there’s no such thing as Prince Charming or a man who has …
/r/seduction11/03/25 04:38 AM
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I just googled what vtube is uhhhh. Any other alternatives to that? I understand it might be valuable to check it out but it’s kinda odd lol.
/r/seduction11/03/25 04:24 AM
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2/2 By “show interest” do you mean by saying directly to the guy “I want fuck/date you”, or are we talking about 2 second eye contact? I’ve asked them out on dates directly. This seems to lead to the most flaking or ghosting for some odd reason. Some of the guys will even come back and be like “so when are we hanging out?” And I’m SO confused because I’ve asked these men on dates, planned the event (sometimes free events), and picked the time. All they had to do was show up. This has happened a …
/r/seduction10/03/25 03:02 PM
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1/2 Men don’t get to be picky, we have to take whoever wants us. I’m talking about some men who had a good amount of options. Even though in my eyes a few of these men were undesirable. For the deception, I again want something specific, like what is he lying about, and how does he lie? Also, men tend to lie because women seem to hate the truth sometimes. Like if you asked a guy why he asked a girl out, we know you wouldn’t like it if it was because he liked her boobs, and instead lies by saying…
/r/seduction10/03/25 03:01 PM
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why do men ghost for no reason?
/r/seduction10/03/25 03:57 AM
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Thanks :)
/r/seduction10/03/25 03:49 AM
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Yeah. I’ve at least set new boundaries and standards. I get mostly shallow attention that goes no where. I am maxing out how hot i can get and debating on surgery or cosmetic procedures. As i get leaner and more feminine the difference in male attention is insane. Like even today im pretty sure about 5 married men were checking me out at the grocery store, lots of old/older men head nodding at me and checking me out. I was wearing a very modest outfit that just kinda showed off my figure but ful…
/r/seduction09/03/25 11:11 PM
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I’ve had 2 boyfriends and met a guy similar to you, we didn’t have sex but your MO was exactly what he basically did to me. My first boyfriend was a cool, typical young college guy. We dated a little over a year. My second boyfriend was cool but was not smart and was horrible with money. I couldn’t marry him because I feared he would ruin us financially and had no reliable attributes for a marriage. Everything was always chaotic, he never listened, and he only really liked me because I am pretty…
/r/seduction09/03/25 03:14 PM
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Because I don’t know which of the gamey guys are evil because they lie and deceive until you’ve discovered that they’re evil cheaters. Then they gaslight and confuse you. I am low in Machiavelli so i can’t even lead a man on if i don’t like him to manipulate him.
/r/seduction09/03/25 01:01 PM
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Thanks. I have like very low Machiavelli traits, very high empathy even with pretty high narcissism so it’s hard for me to be evil to others. But I’ve seen this work. Like this exact same script damn near. So i know its legit.
/r/seduction09/03/25 12:59 PM
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Well he just paints men as simple. All my life I heard “men are simple”. But if men are simple, why don’t they respond to things they say they want? If men are simple and say, “i want a girl who looks like this and does xyz”, why do they not lock down those types of women then? Or why do they lie and deceive then get with a different woman and marry her in 3 months even if that woman is mid? Or why do they not go for women who show high interest in them but go for the chase if they’re not addict…
/r/seduction09/03/25 12:53 PM
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Im telling you I actively tried your method and I was rejected a lot for it. I even tried it with guys who showed initial interest in me. I showed interest by asking about their hobbies and asking deeper questions. I asked a bunch of guys out on dates, set the time and place. And they all started acting weird. One guy who asked me for my number, asked me on a date first but said he got sick; even ghosted me after i tried to do what you’re saying. I’m now being more indirect and men are being nic…
/r/seduction09/03/25 01:37 AM
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Yes. I am looking for women mentors who have good husbands. I have no idea how to find them but hopefully i will learn. I think hoe_math is spot on in his explanation of women’s behavior. But his explanations of male behavior do not align with my experiences and observations.
/r/seduction09/03/25 01:26 AM
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I like more shy guys. Even sometimes i am straightforward with men who hit on me first and that never works out. Seems like every time i am more indirect men show a lot more interest and court me, but the problem is i prefer being very direct. I know this lacks the emotional element a lot of men really value in the feminine so it makes them probably bored/lose interest. I’ve noticed the more better i get at the indirect game; the better the men treat me. But it is not easy since most of my life …
/r/seduction09/03/25 01:24 AM
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It’s both. I am maximizing myself. But I also have no idea how to attract and only flirt with my type. Also seems throughout my life, more “gamey” men will distract me and hit on me consistently. So learning game has allowed me to start rejecting those men faster instead of entertaining them because i thought that’s what women were supposed to do. I now understand that i need to wait out and scope out for my type. And take more initiative.
/r/seduction09/03/25 12:31 AM
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If i do this, will he propose to me on the spot ?
/r/seduction09/03/25 12:23 AM
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I just want a loyal man, which is why I’d rather be the one good at game. 1. Because if i spot a man who’s too smooth i can know he’s probably a cheater and reject him. 2. Because I trust myself. I am displaying more feminine qualities and dressing more hot and feminine than ever. It does get lots of attention but I need to fine tune my social circles and reject men faster to concentrate on getting attention from the ones who are actually compatible with me. Seems the gamey ones are the quickest…
/r/seduction09/03/25 12:22 AM
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No. I don’t assume anything. I just flirt and see if they ask me out. I’ve noticed when I ask men out, even on free dates and after they’ve shown interest and ask for my number - I seem to get ghosted or lower levels of interest. I also can’t be too passive. There seems to be some sweet spot of letting a man lead that I seem to be unaware of. I’ve mostly been letting men know my availability not texting too much (partially because i have actual things to do, and mostly because i do not like text…
/r/seduction09/03/25 12:18 AM
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Men get uncomfortable too. And some get scared if I’m too straight forward. I find men really love me and become super interested if I flirt with them more indirectly. But it’s a lot to learn and men respond differently to different cues because men are not a monolith. But I know my type kinda, and he loves a little chase with very very subtle hints of validation. This is what makes me feel i need to learn game. He likes push and pull. He likes a little sassy and doesn’t lose herself in a relati…
/r/seduction09/03/25 12:15 AM
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I have been straight forward with guys who show interest in me. It scares them away. I notice men react way better to more indirect approaches.
/r/seduction09/03/25 12:10 AM
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It was too straightforward, I am more indirect now and men really love that way more. But i am still trying to learn. I want a man who has NO game.
/r/seduction09/03/25 12:09 AM
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I disagree. It’s just a matter of fine tuning until I get the results I desire.
/r/seduction09/03/25 12:08 AM
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I have had 2 boyfriends, I attracted them while on autopilot tbh. They just courted me and asked me to be their gf so I said okay. My main focus has never been on boys because I saw men as burdensome and useless. And I think that thought process led to my exes being very burdensome. So we had to break up. I’ve now learned through Reddit that there are men who are not burdensome. I set a few attributes of standards so I no longer have to deal with burdensome men. I have no idea how to attract the…
/r/seduction09/03/25 12:07 AM
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I guess we all have to compromise. Like I said, I’m maxing out what I can max out to be the best partner and I’m willing to die alone. That’s my compromise. Enough is those 3 attributes. I’m posting to see how to maximize my externals and show off my worth to eligible men in a way. Ambitious means ambitious, not “wealth”. If he’s not quite where he wants to be but is doing everything to get there, I am aware that some men are late bloomers or are overcoming their trauma or life circumstances. I …
/r/seduction08/03/25 11:54 PM
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I couldn’t be a bitch no matter how much I want to. I’m high in narcissism, low in Machiavellian. I care about other people a lot. Nature made me way too sweet and bubbly. Abusive nurturing made me a shy nice girl. I know I can take responsibility for and fix my nurturing but I’ll never get the opportunity to be the bitch i want to be. So your warning doesn’t matter. I do want to be her; with all of my being. But I don’t have it in me. So i have to default to just being myself and knowing the ri…
/r/seduction08/03/25 04:24 AM
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It was already in my queue, so it’s fine. No. I had no limiting beliefs surrounding that because I didn’t care about beauty or attracting men. I just wanted a stable life. I did not see men as a value add. That caused me to not care and just accept whatever men came into my life and asked me to be their girlfriend. Romance and relationships were tedious and annoying to me. Being girly and feminine was super annoying and a dumb amount of work. I was being pressured into being in relationships and…
/r/seduction08/03/25 03:37 AM
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Ok. But the words of the actions are exactly the same words PUA is using and men display similar behaviors when attracted to potential mates.
/r/seduction08/03/25 03:19 AM
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I’ve never seen a good girl with the traits Reddit men claim to want have a successful relationship to marriage. I think your other comment about most men here being loser-ish or neck beards was accurate. Seems like only losers like to virtue signal liking these traits. I know you said it was because of insecurity you liked certain things but the men i want are insecure i guess. I don’t care. I don’t want some high value guy. I want the men that like crazy bitchy girls even though I’m a nicer gi…
/r/seduction08/03/25 03:15 AM
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Oh. I do love sex. I’m a very passionate woman - but if i can’t find a man that has similar goals to me, im ok with being alone, i have cultivated friendships that fulfill me, i have other things to invest in, i am participating in community oriented relationships and services, and i can please myself whenever i do get the urge.
/r/seduction08/03/25 03:12 AM
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They just rejected them even though they said the girls were beautiful, they didn’t like how straightforward the girls were.
/r/seduction08/03/25 03:09 AM
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Ok. Thanks for sharing your story and thoughts.
/r/seduction08/03/25 03:08 AM
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Ok. If they don’t want that i just won’t date them or have sex with them, it’s not a big deal. Some men don’t want marriage and never will and i respect that and am not compatible with those men.
/r/seduction08/03/25 03:02 AM
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ok. But i realllyyyy don’t want a guy like the guy i was responding to. How to ensure a guy like that is vetted out?
/r/seduction08/03/25 01:26 AM
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Yeah. I could probably go the rest of my life w/o sex. It’s already been 2 years and I’m like meh. Wym by competitive?
/r/seduction08/03/25 01:17 AM
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I don’t know. All i know is, women men on Reddit claim men don’t like and would never marry get married and treated well by men. And women who are nice and good girls get used and discarded. I’m sure somewhere this has to not be the case of men are advocating so hard for it online and I’m trying to figure out where that somewhere and the men that appreciate my qualities are lol. And how i can attract the version of this man that wants to share similar goals. Everyone says it’s easy online but ir…
/r/seduction08/03/25 01:15 AM
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No. Those girls were rejected lol. Ok. We all have to be cautious of strangers so yes. But it’s a barrier to entry to hitting on men in a straight forward way if a lot of them are cautious or defensive? Or the creeps will take advantage of your naivety while you’re learning. Do you understand what I’m saying? That’s why women need game too. Because some men are very confusing! I’ve even had men be mean and weird to me because they were confused. I didn’t know they were attracted to me, i thought…
/r/seduction08/03/25 01:11 AM
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Agree!
/r/seduction08/03/25 12:53 AM
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I don’t mind doing that if he’s my boyfriend. I honestly did everything my ex wanted in my last relationship but he would never step up as a man and learn new things. I think because being masculine and not expecting a man to court me and take me on dates encourages men to be losers. So i agree with you. But if u tell him u only want sex and Netflix and whisper that in his ear, he will never marry you. You will only be a fuck buddy to him. I want a family.
/r/seduction08/03/25 12:50 AM
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I want a man. I’d even argue i feel the human instinct and desire to reproduce. And it’ll suck if i have to never have sex again or not get married. But we all leave this world alone and sometimes men cheat or leave or they just don’t choose you for marriage and reproduction. Maybe i didn’t show enough of the qualities men desire in a reproductive partner. I’ve made my peace with this truth. I will either learn and reproduce or i won’t. That’s why i made this post. All i can do is have a growth …
/r/seduction08/03/25 12:44 AM
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Both genders are like that. I’m different because I’ve learned to be different and maybe i was always a little different. I do want romance now, I didn’t use to care about romance i thought it was frivolous and stupid. Now i recognize men are more attracted to romantic women too. I didn’t use to care about attracting men and i was a huge nerd. So i am just now learning how to attract men and be hot and confident. Uhm… I think if i pick a man i like, I’ll be obsessed with him until the day i die.…
/r/seduction08/03/25 12:42 AM
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Ok but i am learning other things like IOIs, kino/escalation, comfort. You may think these things are not important for women to know but a lot of shy men do not indiscriminately have sex so to build a comfortable relationship and have compassion for them i have to do all the flirty work but also learn how to get them outta their shell. Men are very shocked when women hit on them and sometimes cannot tell if we’re just being nice. On the other hand, if you come on too strong he will see you as j…
/r/seduction08/03/25 12:38 AM
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Nope! I worked through the emotional barriers and reached an empathetic and compassionate point where I can sit with men through their communication mistakes and emotional baggage! It took a lot of work tho :) I was a rebel when i was a little kid so i never liked to dress girly. I studied hard during college and wanted a good career so i never focused on boys or learning how to date. So i am just learning how to dress for male interest. I agree dressing girly is very attractive to men.
/r/seduction08/03/25 12:32 AM
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Uhm. I’ve seen men say “i want a woman who cooks, cleans, and does xyz” then not wife the woman who does that but wife the next girl even if she’s not hot and doesn’t do any of that. Why does that happen? Why do men get in dead bedroom marriages? Marry sluts and disrespectful women? Chase women who are cheating on them? I’ve met men I really wanted who just didn’t want “nice girls” and got bored easily if you weren’t crazy and illogical and emotional and all that. Maybe only men on Reddit like t…
/r/seduction08/03/25 12:30 AM
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I mean. I’ve already leaned in. Right now I’m just cultivating and being intentional about it. I don’t like cheating men, or mean men, so if he’s more feminine i am ok with that. I don’t want some internet version of a “high value man”. I only want my version of a “high value man”. Men do shit test women.. when they immediately ask for sex or to go back to his place, that’s a shit test to see if you’ll sleep with him fast or if you’re naive enough to fall for his tricks. Or when they send dick p…
/r/seduction08/03/25 12:26 AM
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Ok. Idk what to tell you. I’m just here for advice and to learn. I’ve been giving you my truth, that’s all i can give. Yeah, i am approaching 30. And if no man wants me, I’m okay with that. Like I’ve said, i will never have sex again if it comes to that. The last 2 years have not been that hard. I do want a husband and family but if it doesn’t happen then that’s okay. Well. I don’t want a “high value man” or whatever. I don’t want a cheater or weirdo. So if he’s reading that book, we probably wo…
/r/seduction08/03/25 12:16 AM
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Yeah. We can grow past it tho. We’ll take responsibility for our future!
/r/seduction08/03/25 12:06 AM
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That is game. Having the confidence to make small talk, flirt, kino, escalate by breaking the touch barrier to see his reaction? I can do it on auto pilot but I’m not very present and in the moment because shyness and trauma and whatnot. Men are not a monolith. Yeah. I am trying to learn game mostly to avoid cheaters and guys who chase women.
/r/seduction08/03/25 12:03 AM
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Uhh. I mostly pull easy guys who would probably fuck a donut hole. (Donuts are very sexy especially when they’re creamed up, i get it). I just don’t like men who are hitting on women indiscriminately. I don’t think they find me attractive, they just want a wet hole for the night. I’d like to attract smarter more wholesome and shy men. Which is why i need to learn new skills and not be shy because 2 shy people will never take initiative. I’m naturally outgoing and extroverted but I’m a huge nerd …
/r/seduction07/03/25 11:50 PM
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so?
/r/seduction07/03/25 11:30 PM
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Well my 2nd boyfriend proposed but i couldn’t marry him because he was dishonest and financially unstable. I don’t mind having sex in a committed relationship. And like i said, i don’t mind never having sex again. It’ll suck but it’s ok. Both relationships were also very young, teens to mid 20s. I’m only in my late 20s now. I was just a pushover who said yes to the first men who asked to be my boyfriend. I didn’t have strong boundaries because i was insecure. I am a human being and I am still le…
/r/seduction07/03/25 11:30 PM
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I have to take care of my body regardless. It’s making me more confident and it gets more attention from men when I’m leaner. I am consciously and intentionally practicing my social skills. That’s what is allowing me to feel more comfortable around men, but being pretty helps because men are nicer to pretty women! Thank you for sharing. A lot of what you have said really resonates with me and with what I’ve been trying to get across. Some of these guys think men who approach me are the only ones…
/r/seduction07/03/25 10:54 PM
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Why? We need to learn how to survive. We don’t come out the womb with “how to be human” manuals. Yes, we have instincts. We mimic “courting” habits in childhood from our caretakers and those around us based on our peers, self esteem, upbringing, and emotional bandwidth. If some of us didn’t have healthy environments to learn those things the natural way, then I see no issue with learning to pick up the slack in other ways
/r/seduction07/03/25 10:44 PM
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Uhmm. I see what you’re saying. Yes, insecure women are more susceptible to manipulation and cannot screen out bad men. And yes, shy guys are nervous to talk to girls which is why i want to learn game. But I’ve seen game work. I’ve seen as my inner game changes more men approach me. As i learn how to be hotter, more approachable, throw more signals, give better aura, etc. I’ve literally seen in real time a couple of the dense men in my life reject beautiful women (who they agreed were beautiful …
/r/seduction07/03/25 10:42 PM
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Thanks. It’s not easy, that’s why I reach out and learn from others. Even if this thread doesn’t solve my problems, or nobody has good advice for me - I am learning so much from every interaction and getting closer to my goal. So thanks for honestly just showing some love and respect.
/r/seduction07/03/25 10:28 PM
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I am doing this, thank you!
/r/seduction07/03/25 10:25 PM
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I don’t know. I can only deduce what’s happening based on statistics. Also 18-20 year olds who get married are a large portion of that statistic. What I do think and can say based on statistical evidence is that; educated people getting married between the ages of 26-35, who have good communication skills, similar values, and are mentally and financially sound are highly likely to stay married. Which is the demographic I plan to fall into. I have also seen statistics on other things that I hope …
/r/seduction07/03/25 10:25 PM
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I am not jumping from man to man. I had a 1 year break after my first relationship. And i haven’t had sex since my ex and it’s been 2 years. I don’t know what you mean when you say my history shows otherwise? Am i supposed to not talk to men at all? Reject them immediately if they’re not proposing marriage ? I don’t mind thousands of other young hot women being there. If the men like what they see and choose them, I respect them for going after what they want. If i never have sex with a man agai…
/r/seduction07/03/25 10:20 PM
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I agree with this and your initial comment. But I am a nerdy girl. I just started learning how to be more hot. So I don’t think your opinions apply to women like me.
/r/seduction07/03/25 10:07 PM
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These are actually statistics. I don’t care about lesbians. I only care about my demographic. It’s not a big deal if i never have sex with a man again or get married. It’s just something I want to try for.
/r/seduction07/03/25 10:05 PM
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I think most of the divorces are coming from old uneducated people? Because all the women who couldn’t file divorce before like the 1980s had been finally catching up and wanting to. If you look at the divorce rates of educated women who get married at older ages it’s like 20%.
/r/seduction07/03/25 09:58 PM
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No. I weight 120lbs. I’ve had 2 guys express interest in marrying me but 1 guy ghosted me and the other was my boyfriend for a few years. You must be like a hot outgoing blonde in a sorority or something lol. I have friends who’ve never even had boyfriends, but they’re kinda mid looking i guess from boys eyes.
/r/seduction07/03/25 09:56 PM
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Uhmmm. I’ve been in 2 relationships. No, I think men are simple. They like pretty girls that they’re attracted to. My problem is, all the men who hit on me are men i do not want. And I know I am attractive to men I do want because I’ve seen them show interest in me. I was just too shy and in college i was only focused on studying and my career so i didn’t care about boys. I like more shy boys or even guys who may be nervous to talk to pretty girls but i am the same way, so that’s my dilemma! If …
/r/seduction07/03/25 09:54 PM
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Agree. But i like to read between the lines of their defensiveness. It gets me into the raw emotions of what’s going on behind the mask. I learn more from having these discussions, even if men don’t understand subconsciously what they’re attracted to (just like women don’t always understand), when we dig deeper and allow people to unconsciously express themselves - we find a lot of information. I am growing from these discussions even if I need to have tough skin because some of these guys are i…
/r/seduction07/03/25 09:42 PM
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The last guy I liked ghosted me because I was insecure. I’m glad he ghosted me because he wasn’t a good person. But it did happen. I respect your opinion, thank you for sharing. All men are not a monolith though. There does need to be a baseline attraction and I understand I will be rejected for attributes I can not control since I am at 22 BMI and pretty curvy I think I’ve controlled most of what I can unless I get plastic surgery. But what I am saying here is to go after men who are shy or men…
/r/seduction07/03/25 09:35 PM
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No, I’ve never been married. I was in 2 relationships. My first broke up because we had to be long distance for a year. My second broke up because I left him. I actually have only 1 man to pick. None of the other men I’ve recently talked to have courted me or expressed interest in being in a relationship. He has expressed interest in taking me on a date, but he has not planned one. So I guess technically I have 0 men interested in me. Just men who ask me for my number and then nothing happens af…
/r/seduction07/03/25 09:26 PM
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No, I’ve never been married. I was in 2 relationships. My first broke up because we had to be long distance for a year. My second broke up because I left him. I actually have only 1 man to pick. None of the other men I’ve recently talked to have courted me or expressed interest in being in a relationship. He has expressed interest in taking me on a date, but he has not planned one. So I guess technically I have 0 men interested in me. Just men who ask me for my number and then nothing happens af…
/r/seduction07/03/25 09:26 PM
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Haha. Are you being sarcastic?
/r/seduction07/03/25 09:19 PM
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You seem to have no problem attracting men. It sounds like you are having problems finding a man to seduce who meets your standards. They’re not really connections. Men are horny. These men don’t care about me. I’m just a pretty number to them to hopefully hookup with. Have you had a good man you felt like you wanted to build a long term relationship with, and it didn’t work out? No, never. I’m the problem. Have you had situations where you feel like your lack of inner game made it so that a man…
/r/seduction07/03/25 08:52 PM
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Is there not just “ask” subs? I’m pretty sure I’ve seen a few. Women do care too much about male validation despite what we say. This sub has quality content and building women’s subs can too easily go haywire. Ie, diabla and female dating strategy. Some radical women go off the deep end or the subs get infiltrated and shut down.
/r/seduction07/03/25 08:30 PM
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It’s ok. I’m not a pushover. I can say no to sex. I just want to learn skills and seduce more shy men because i don’t like men who are too forward or manwhores that hit on every woman.
/r/seduction07/03/25 08:28 PM
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I don’t understand. I am telling you i want an ambitious man and i will do all the family stuff. I will do everything as long as he takes care of me and the kids and is loyal. My top 3 traits: loyal, kind (at least to me and family), ambitious. Idc about anything else. And I’ll die alone if i don’t get them. I’m not asking for anything absurd here. There is no “cake and eat it too”. Men can ask for a million things “hot, submissive, kind/sweet, cooks, cleans, takes care of kids, has a job” and i…
/r/seduction07/03/25 08:27 PM
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Eh. Idc about hundreds of horny men throwing themselves at me. I only need to attract 1. If that kept men happy, I’d believe you. I’ve never seen it. I know how to do all of that. I’ve done it in my last 2 relationships. I was even the breadwinner in my last relationship and still did all of that. I’d easily be willing to do it for the rest of my life for the right man. It doesn’t matter. I just want an alternative method to waiting for “The One”. Being passive isn’t gonna make him fall outta th…
/r/seduction07/03/25 08:23 PM
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My BMI is 22. I am working to get it 20-21. I’ve never really been fat. I have been masculine so i am working on my femininity though. I think that’s the biggest issue from my past. I was very study and career focused. I never really cared about boys nor did i try to be hot and pretty for male attraction. Also, i was unfortunately a nerd. I just started working on my friendships and learning better social skills. As far as socially uncalibrated men, i just don’t know how to talk to them, because…
/r/seduction07/03/25 08:11 PM
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Idk. I’ve not been socially smart enough to make it into the social circles of women I desire to be like. The only difference is the polarity between being feminine and masculine. We women are more of a hive mind and likely to play our part for society, so I agree with that point. But the latter opinion, maybe that’s the type of women you like, associate with, or have a default of being around in your environment?
/r/seduction07/03/25 08:07 PM
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I actively do this and I’ve been rejected lots of times (which i understand is just part of the process). I am just learning like everyone else. If this worked that easily I’d be married by now, but we all have to learn and we’re all on different paths to find the one.
/r/seduction07/03/25 08:04 PM
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Uhm. I don’t know. I do think that’s bad advice. But you do need to be strategic with your intentions and interests to get the best partner for yourself.
/r/seduction07/03/25 07:57 PM
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I don’t care whether im pursuing or pursued. I only care about finding a man i like that likes me back! Thanks for sharing though. Really fun thoughts.
/r/seduction07/03/25 07:55 PM
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I understand. Thank you for sharing! Really good advice and meaningful information.
/r/seduction07/03/25 07:53 PM
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I am on a ~500 calorie deficit, I also work out lots of cardio, light weights, gym classes, yoga. I am cutting for a few months then plan on lifting heavier weights and being more weightlifting focused over cardio focused.
/r/seduction07/03/25 07:51 PM
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My last paragraph is to express that it is not so clear if women actually like men or if they like what we do for them. Insofar as what I can tell it is the latter. Both genders are like this. Lots of men only care if a woman has sex with him, cooks, cleans, and has kids. They don’t care about her emotions or making her feel desired. Just “you owe me sex”. Look at all the men always complaining about not getting sex. And she’s tradeable outside of that. Look at “passport bro” culture. If they wa…
/r/seduction07/03/25 07:49 PM
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Thanks! But I do get the most attention at a lower weight and I have natural curves and C cups. After I reach my goal I plan on working glutes more but I do have a bottom heavy peach/ hourglass figure.
/r/seduction07/03/25 07:27 PM
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That’s insane. Everyone can see with their eyes how men react to pretty women. 😭
/r/seduction07/03/25 07:26 PM
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I agree! One just has to be more aligned with polarizing that’s the hard part! A lot of men fail to recognize in this sub they’re falling for the same tactics they use and say they don’t work on themselves but it’s literally in their comments and posts that it has worked on them lol. Women just need to be feminine when applying the tactics just like men just need to be masculine when applying.
/r/seduction07/03/25 06:22 PM
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Seduction was originally a women’s weapon. Most women were just beat down and not allowed to be educated so they couldn’t learn it unless they were upper middle class.
/r/seduction07/03/25 06:17 PM
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There are men out there who knows how to game but are good people in general. Find the ones that generously focusing or just sticking to one partner at a time instead of going for a number games. These men are too rare. That’s why I’m here. Basically the trickiest part is finding which one actually has a good heart behind the mask of a player. All it take is paying a little bit of attention to their niche interest or hobby like common music or media taste for example. Even the coldest ones would…
/r/seduction07/03/25 06:14 PM
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I’m a woman. But uhh. Yeah, don’t you think our divorce rates kinda speak to exactly what we’ve been doing wrong in seduction? Women had to sit back, tell men to marry them for sex, and didn’t get to go after men they actually wanted. This is the first time women can even learn how to be a human being. It’s ok to give us a little grace, and in giving women grace - it can extend to men and allow them to not need to court as hard. But yeah, 1000s of horny men who will send dick pics! lol that’s no…
/r/seduction07/03/25 06:06 PM
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I agree with all of this! I’ve read the PUA books and I was literally in horror when even in “The Game” the girls were blatantly telling him they felt manipulated and he expressed that he felt bad but they should learn on their own how to seduce and it has nothing to do with him. The two way street thing it’s important but I think as a woman, we have to be open to talking to our man and seducing him so he feels encouraged and not nagged to meet our desires too!
/r/seduction07/03/25 06:02 PM
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I am working very hard to be hot. My BMI is 22, trying to get between 20-21. If I go out I am usually swarmed in men and women telling me I’m hot (no makeup, natural hair, just a hot outfit) I am told I am fun. Literally last night a guy told me he felt cooler just being in my presence. Lots of guys feel relaxed around me. And I am agreeable, I am just working on my boundaries. So I’m not in a rush to be in a relationship. I know what I want so it’s easy to reject men who want to use me. I am ju…
/r/seduction07/03/25 06:00 PM
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You’re wrong. I don’t benefit from only men I don’t want hitting on me. I don’t care about a man who has game. I’ve met a guy who had perfect game, he was a horrible person and a cheater. So you’re right. I don’t want that. And i do believe those 2 things are more likely to overlap. So if i have to choose between having it and not having it - I’ll choose not having it every time. Here’s the thing, if he’s not good at game and I’m not good at game. How are we going to talk to each other? Neither …
/r/seduction07/03/25 05:54 PM
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I don’t. That’s why I’m here. But i can acknowledge other women do. I want a man who’s good for me and to me. I will enthusiastically pick up the social slack for him if he’s what I desire.
/r/seduction07/03/25 05:40 PM
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Your advice is good advice. And while I am trying my absolute hardest to follow it, it’s not easy. There’s a reason this subreddit exists lol. Being socially calibrated enough to work into social circles is hard work. Being hot is already hard work. But no, I’m not lying. I’d rather have a loyal, socially uncalibrated man than a cheater manwhore who’s socially calibrated. The full package is hard to get. If he has everything I want in a man except he has no game, I’ll gladly enthusiastically pic…
/r/seduction07/03/25 05:39 PM
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I actually don’t mind being the more child rearing partner if he’s ambitious enough. If anything, I’d argue he mostly just needs to be the simplest version of a man with me. That’s the perk of learning seduction. I’d be doing all the “work”. I think that’s a luxury few men have.
/r/seduction07/03/25 05:35 PM
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Start small. Flirt a little bit with everyone. Flirt with the person who scans your groceries, flirt with the cute guy sitting next to you in class, and flirt with anyone who walks up to you! Just keep flirting. You’ll get better. I wish I learned at your age.
/r/seduction07/03/25 05:10 PM
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Some women and men don’t mind! Some men want children, healthy families, and community. And men without game would probably love to marry a consistent woman they don’t have to game and court 24/7. I specifically want men without game and who do not want to chase women. One who desires a family. Which is why I have to learn to be the gamer.
/r/seduction07/03/25 05:06 PM
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Yeah! A man who can lead a woman in a dance is so sexy and he’s showing off his ability to learn, have fun, and lead.
/r/seduction07/03/25 04:35 PM
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The same reason men want to fix the manic pixie bpd dream girl??? Or save a woman in distress.
/r/seduction06/03/25 02:42 PM
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That’s my motto now too. He taught me, I should do whatever it takes to get what I want. Obviously it’s not easy to overcome my previous programming; and I’ll never be as evil as him. But I am trying my best.
/r/seduction03/03/25 01:03 PM
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He wasn’t my type at all. He became my type.
/r/seduction02/03/25 12:35 AM
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Yes. Congrats. Keep it up. Pour into your self esteem She probably never liked you and was just being nice. We women are very friendly and polite
/r/seduction01/03/25 11:16 PM
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The guy that played me mirrored everything i did. He was the hottest guy i have ever met.
/r/seduction01/03/25 11:09 PM
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Lie, cheat, future fake by pretending they want to be in a relationship and be married to the specific girl they’re dating. Love bomb. Take her on nice dates and make her feel special. Give her little gifts. Then ghost her. And breadcrumb her. Then call at obscure hours to come over so she can get a crumb of validation from him.
/r/seduction01/03/25 11:06 PM
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Anyone who’s not pure hot (I’d even argue those that are hot) that’s regularly getting hookups is probably manipulating women in some capacity. Which is fine, frankly. You shouldnt think too much of it. Seduction is manipulative. It was women’s only weapon in a time when we women had no rights. Now men in here are trying to learn it as a weapon. Anyone saying otherwise is lying or not self aware. Anyone saying “this person knows what’s really going on” when they’re lying to women to get what the…
/r/seduction01/03/25 10:35 PM
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Also don’t omit the idea that she could’ve been shy. Keep being friendly and getting the reps in. Don’t be afraid to talk to men and women. It makes you a more wholesome person. Be curious and don’t be afraid to be friendly if someone puts their head down or seems shy. Just don’t be desperate/needy for HER. Remember we’re all just humans.
/r/seduction01/03/25 04:31 PM
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No. Practicing getting comfortable with touching other human beings will help you… touch other human beings.
/r/seduction01/03/25 01:50 AM
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They don’t want our help unless they know we’re on the same page and side as them. 😉
/r/seduction01/03/25 01:48 AM
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Then help and support them lol. You can do anything ofc. But yeah, don’t try to save anyone who doesn’t want to be saved.
/r/seduction01/03/25 01:44 AM
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Everyone should do whatever they want. I’m here to learn how to seduce and manipulate men myself. Who am I to judge?
/r/seduction01/03/25 01:30 AM
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Maybe she was leading you on and just practicing flirting? I’ve had a guy do this to me and since I thought the entire interaction was really fun I’ve been basically learning how to recreate that tension with other men and practicing my flirting but ultimately i don’t actually want to have any relations with the man unless he’s exactly what im looking for so i cut it off.
/r/seduction01/03/25 01:05 AM
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He only wants to attract women looking for casual quickly. Not manipulate women into sleeping with him. That is an art that most men never master for a reason.
/r/seduction28/02/25 11:43 PM
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If they want. But i made both their lives better and easier for them. I cooked, cleaned, made significantly more money than them so they never had to really pay for much. Helped raise credit scores.. confidence. Helped them chase their dreams. My ex even told me he resented me for being better than him and when i got fat he just said he wasn’t attracted to me anymore and he mainly liked me because i was pretty. And in the end, i got nothing but a few wake up calls and heart break. Which were val…
/r/seduction28/02/25 11:42 PM
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How do you believe I used them? I’m average looking. And I even gained 50 lbs in my last relationship. Only hot women get simps and get to “use” men. The rest of us get mediocre men. If anything these men wasted valuable years of my youth and I should’ve been focusing on being hot to attract better men.
/r/seduction28/02/25 11:25 PM
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Agree as a woman. Definitely don’t care about and have lost all attraction to my exes. I’m glad I left them. I was so insecure and settled because they were good enough and I was never gonna go for the men I actually want because it required effort. I loved being able to get fat and not care or be disrespectful. Having to actually have standards and live by standards and respect yourself is difficult. Men should also ask “would i date a sloppy fat girl?” If the answer is no, then stop doing thin…
/r/seduction28/02/25 07:36 PM
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Look hot. Be hot. Do hot guy things. Say “im here for hookups” in profile. You may only get 1/100 matches but those will be the ones dtf immediately Re: models by mark Manson and his friend saying to every girl in 1 night “im gonna pee in your butt”. He apparently probably said it to 25-50 girls, but it only takes 1 girl to be receptive.
/r/seduction28/02/25 06:39 PM
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If religion didn’t work, it’d be dead already
/r/seduction28/02/25 06:04 PM
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How’d you get played
/r/seduction28/02/25 04:43 AM
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How does one create this sort of tension with men? I find myself going extreme and accidentally completely ignoring men (granted im not too into them in the first place so it’s not that big of a deal). I’ve had a few guys get a little invested but it’s inconsistent. How to build more of that “she wants me but she is busy” tension?
/r/seduction27/02/25 07:26 PM
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Emphasis on validate her specialness but also treat her like a regular human being like another poster said. This will get emotional investment heavy because we women are not used to that.
/r/seduction27/02/25 07:24 PM
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Then why did she say what she said? What about you made her think that talking to you might make her slutty?
/r/seduction27/02/25 05:04 PM
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Every human will pull away. It’s HUMAN nature to get bored. Everything women are “guilty” of, men are too. Everyone has to put in work to keep things interesting.
/r/seduction27/02/25 04:56 PM
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Results and the ability to stay undetected. The guy who played me; which was the only reason I believed seduction is possible. He was not my physical type at all even tho he was attractive. He had me acting like a completely different person. I was unconsciously giving IOIs. Even after he ghosted me, treated me like crap, led me on and breadcrumbed me, I still believed he liked me and something about it was real. That’s true manipulation and definitely something I’d love to learn to master. Unfo…
/r/seduction27/02/25 04:47 PM
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Leave her alone.
/r/seduction27/02/25 04:29 PM
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Lower your standards. Be in the company of women without expecting anything from them.
/r/seduction27/02/25 03:30 PM
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Well if she doesn’t want to be a slut and wants a boyfriend, she’s not crazy. She’s very logical for cutting you off immediately knowing that you’re not gonna be her boyfriend!
/r/seduction27/02/25 02:56 PM
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I like this mindset. I think I’ve viewed men as an enemy in the past; viewing them as fun opponents to be competitive with may make gaming them a lot easier.
/r/seduction27/02/25 02:54 PM
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Like most men can’t separate anything from lust and will automatically fetish me before seeing me as a human. I think he was just thinking like how a percentage of men already only see women as sex objects to manipulate. Not in a bad way. But the stereotype “all men are dogs” comes from somewhere, y’know? I’m not very aggressive, im more on the sweet/almost too nice side. So I have to learn how to be more of an assertive/bitch kinda.
/r/seduction27/02/25 02:43 PM
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Do you think the woman version of this is similar? I’ve recently gotten the “ovaries” to walk away from any man, so that part is easy. But I am struggling to connect with and flirt with men in a fun way. I’m uncomfortable around most of them, especially if they’re really attracted to me and clueless. But I hold space for everyone. I’ve only ever had 1 connection with a man that felt powerful and he led the interaction. I do feel like as a woman I kind of have to be a subtle passive/service leade…
/r/seduction27/02/25 04:38 AM
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Leave relationship girls alone and only fuck girls who don’t care.
/r/seduction27/02/25 03:44 AM
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A well timed and personal smile is best and very sexy. Don’t go around smiling like a creep or like crazy. Smile very intentionally at the woman you want to warm up. We love sexy smiles as much as men do.
/r/seduction27/02/25 03:42 AM
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Women and men are not a monolith. I’ve had plenty of men get bored with my logical approach to being and dating. I’ve also had men lead me on and do things that make 0 sense while wanting nothing from me (not even sex). It happens to everyone.
/r/seduction26/02/25 02:08 PM
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It’s just a fun flirt. Express your boundaries or just have fun and enjoy the ride. As long as they’re not leading you on; which some people will do horribly - you should be fine.
/r/seduction26/02/25 02:06 PM
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Phenomenal post. A lot of men need to be reminded of this with the crazy things posted in here.
/r/seduction26/02/25 01:32 AM
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This is simply not true. it is FINE to want more than “not be fat”. many men have age, face, hair, race, body specs, personality, and more requirements. And again, this is fine as most people settle down with their match. They just don’t like that women want things from a partner too.
/r/seduction26/02/25 01:31 AM
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Im a woman lol. But yeah, i guess maybe i need to do that with men. If im too logical it seems to bore them, its like y’all want the manic pixie dream girl who says and does crazy bitchy things idk. Thats like the fun for y’all.
/r/seduction25/02/25 11:02 PM
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I feel the same way, brother. That’s why i am trying to learn these tactics as an average woman. It’s hard out here in these average streets!
/r/seduction25/02/25 10:39 PM
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We don’t care about your car. But if you take us to your nice home or throw after parties; you’re way more likely to get laid.
/r/seduction25/02/25 10:10 PM
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Sounds like you were chasing hot women and now you’re settling for 4-7s with nice girl personalities while you are miserable.
/r/seduction25/02/25 10:09 PM
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No, it’s not.
/r/seduction25/02/25 09:13 PM
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Sometimes. We don’t like being uncomfortable or put in a bad situation. Most girls are “good/nice girls” so rejecting men can feel awful, awkward, or scary. Sometimes when the situation is low risk or im in a social environment - I LOVE being approached and im pretty sure most women feel this way.
/r/seduction25/02/25 09:12 PM
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You’re getting a lot of hate for this being AI generated, I relate because as a woman some of the men in here hate on me too. Although many of the men, especially the secure ones who actually get women, are very helpful. I agree completely with your analysis from the other side and id even argue that around 60% of guys aren’t even making it to the first conversation. Only around ~40% of guys have something to even brag about and it seems like only 1/100 guys are charming enough to do something s…
/r/seduction25/02/25 06:19 PM
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Because it is lol. Honestly 60% of guys aren’t even making it to the first conversation. Only like 40% of guys have something to brag about and it seems like only 1/100 guys are charming enough to do something similar to what he said and make a woman feel special.
/r/seduction25/02/25 06:16 PM
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I understand what you’re saying but have no idea how to implement it. I think the first video is also a little virtue signaling on men’s part. I’ve met too many men who like bitches/women who don’t invest much in them - even if the woman isn’t that hot. But i guess that could be a personality thing, it’s just too vague. But i know almost all the men I’ve wanted preferred at least a little sass. The whole “men value looks a lot more” and “men choose their level of commitment and rarely change it”…
/r/seduction25/02/25 03:18 PM
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I watched the video you linked and thought it was brilliant. I know there’s not much content on it but would you happen to know more about the opposite side? There’s literally barely information on how to become like the woman version of this. Save for books like “why men love bitches”. I’m not naturally a bitch and it’s hard for me to even pretend to be one. I have been more assertive lately and men have been liking me more but I don’t seem to understand how to invoke emotions/feelings in men i…
/r/seduction24/02/25 02:04 PM
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Well most men aren’t exactly players/charming so it’s rare enough to even meet a guy who’s fun and hot. Men are lucky that women are kinda raised to peacock/be hot or at least groom ourselves and be social. A large portion of men are boring, awkward, mid in looks. So the best I’ve got is potential.
/r/seduction21/02/25 03:24 AM
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i mean this is irrelevant to the post; i was asking for advice to be the kind of woman who can do this stuff. Do whatever you want; it has nothing to do with me.
/r/seduction20/02/25 10:42 PM
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Depends on the person. I personally haven’t had sex in awhile; so it doesn’t even matter. I would like to have a boyfriend for sex tho. I mean, your opinion is valid but lots of cheating sluts find boyfriends and get married all the time. And lots of women also dead bedroom their husbands. So it’s not like men or women are a monolith or anything. Sounds like a Reddit/basement dweller thing to say (in the least offensive way as possible, like username checks out rofl). But I’ve literally seen men…
/r/seduction20/02/25 10:02 PM
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I am trying to filter them out faster. I’m still learning how to get faster while keeping it flirty so things don’t get boring/stale. Plus, a lot of guys I can practice flirting with at least. I just know I want a roster as a short term goal. I been working out and styling myself, going out, and flirting my ass off just to get the mediocre attention I have right now. It’s honestly exhausting. I don’t know how to be more efficient.
/r/seduction20/02/25 09:57 PM
1

I don’t understand. Whats uncivil or off topic about this post? I’ve seen many with similar content but honestly less thought out/more lazily written.
/r/seduction20/02/25 09:54 PM
2

I was getting a little bored and starting to feel a bit guilty for ignoring him. If he’s still interested I’ll definitely text back but he’s definitely off the roster. and I knew I didn’t really want him longterm. I feel like if I want to keep a guy on the roster; I need to at least be unsure about his potential.
/r/seduction20/02/25 09:53 PM
1

Im an average woman and dating apps are a horrible experience for me. I just match, have a few conversations, then delete the app and go back to real life.
/r/seduction06/02/25 04:30 AM
4

A lot of men get a little nervous about serious relationships so this particular situation works best for men. but yes, most women will be obsessed with you depending- you could love bomb us then do the hot/cold. I’ve definitely fell for it.
/r/seduction05/02/25 01:42 AM
1

Start with making eye contact with men you’re not attracted to, smiling, and saying hi. Gradually you’ll get confident speaking to all men, I promise.
/r/seduction05/02/25 01:12 AM
1

Probably. You need more clarity. Dates, no dates. Who cares. Women have sex with who women want to have sex with.
/r/seduction04/02/25 11:00 PM
2

Great advice for both genders. I’ve been obsessed with a guy that love bombed me; and I’ve definitely had guys who I wasn’t even thinking about blowing up my phone while I was busy or saying how crazy their thoughts of me are getting and how much they miss me when I’m busy.
/r/seduction31/01/25 06:16 PM
5

Nobody cares. We don’t care. You’re in your head. Just be a fun cool guy and women will love you, I promise.
/r/seduction27/01/25 07:14 AM
1

Agree both sides manipulate. But no, i know some people think everyone knows the lingo - but sometimes we genuinely believe we’re just going along with the flow and realize we’ve been manipulated. just like when men marry or end up financing a woman who manipulated him into that position. Which is fine, everyone gets manipulated and we all know the winners are whoever plays the game better. But i think it’s disingenuous to say “everybody knows this”. Did God bless us with some sort of rule book …
/r/seduction27/01/25 03:25 AM
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Yes. If he spins the block, keep him at a distance and let him think he’s rebuilding trust with you. Men don’t like something unless they feel like they’re putting effort into it, so make him work a little for it. Then he’ll feel more excited the second time around because he’ll believe you actually respect yourself more. Men hate insecure women who don’t respect themselves and men have been taught they need to put in work for anything worthwhile. Capitalize on that.
/r/seduction24/01/25 03:23 PM
1

Im in this subreddit because i dont have any options as an average woman. I directly hit on men all the time and men either reject me or think im easy. As someone with LITERAL experience trying to get men to pay attention to her as more than a sex object; most don’t want direct girls as girlfriends. Even on here most posts are guys trying to get women who ignore them or get their body count up, not trying to find more direct women. Just like women saying “i want a good guy” it’s all the same. An…
/r/seduction24/01/25 04:40 AM
1

You’re the problem. Don’t spam approach with no introspection.
/r/seduction23/01/25 03:50 PM
1

You can’t say patriarchy is a problem then say men not marrying forward/slutty women isn’t. The only reason most men (obviously except the ones who are not virgins themselves/value sex as love) don’t like women that are slutty is because insecurity and patriarchy. Which is FINE. but you can’t only like patriarchy when it benefits you then get mad at women who only like patriarchy when it benefits them. You’re hiding behind saying my feelings but “stated preferences” vs “revealed preferences” rev…
/r/seduction23/01/25 03:12 PM
1

It’s both. If men rewarded/married slutty/forward/direct women - we would see that behavior more. Men do not reward that behavior because it turns them off so of course women have to find other ways to passively court men.
/r/seduction23/01/25 06:40 AM
1

Marketing and data science have this term in reference to “revealed preferences” vs “stated preferences”. Just like women say we “just want a good guy” or “be yourself” and all that blabber, im sure we both can acknowledge there’s more nuance if men and women haven’t adapted. Humans tend to do behaviors that lead to the most reward. If men were super excited by slutty and direct behavior and marrying women who were like that; I’d bet women everywhere would be exactly that. Both genders say they …
/r/seduction23/01/25 06:38 AM
1

If men didn’t hate sluts, women would put out more and there’d be less lonely men in the world. Women are taught young to keep our legs closed and watch out for men and not to be sluts because men hate sluts and will treat them like trash.
/r/seduction23/01/25 05:40 AM
1

Idc about slut shaming nor do i care about social judgments. I know what I want and im going after it. I’m just saying men do NOT appreciate what they say online. Most chase passive women and ignore/dislike more active/direct women. It’s not a conscious evil that men do. It’s a biological preference.
/r/seduction22/01/25 04:23 PM
1

No. Most men prefer it. I’m literally proof of that. Men chase passive women and ignore active/direct women. You can be an outlier but frankly i doubt it. It’s like women who say “i like good guys, i just for some reason date bad guys” It’s not a conscious evil that men do. It’s a biological preference.
/r/seduction22/01/25 04:21 PM
1

Most men reject me if im direct. More men are interested if i am indirect. I’ve even seen those same men who rejected me when I was direct turn around and become attracted to me indirectly. Men HATE easy women. Men HATE sluts. Any indication that you could even hint at being a slut will ruin a woman’s chance with a man. You can also see this online as most men who simp over women are simping over women who aren’t responding to them. There’s the occasional exceptions but 8/10 do not like it; they…
/r/seduction22/01/25 06:12 AM
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Well most men aren’t attracted to direct women. Most men are either avoidant trauma response or prefer to date down as healthy men. I’ve tried to date down in the past as a woman because of insecurity and saying f the patriarchy and what not. Men are just as important in making these changes but neither gender really wants to.
/r/seduction21/01/25 06:28 AM
1

Thank you kindly. Yeah, I think often the sleaziest guys are shooting their shots the most because they know other men aren’t and ruining the dating pool by their arrogance. If more women took control instead of being passive participants, we probably wouldn’t deal with as many predatory men. But yeah, emphasis on strategic initiative. Men are pretty hard to court because women’s role is more servant leader and that’s hard for a lot of women who want the more masculine roles independence taught …
/r/seduction17/01/25 03:54 PM
1

Thank you kindly. Going to try to be consistent, more thorough, and experience more.
/r/seduction17/01/25 03:50 PM
1

It does, we can see segments of it working when men are posting or wondering “does this woman like me”, yes sometimes it’s just because the woman is hot and he puts her on a pedestal but there’s also inner game for women and sometimes women who are not as hot use push/pull, negs, etc and men fall for them like crazy. but you’re right, it has to be done in a more strategic and softly flirty way for women, maybe I’ll crack the code!
/r/seduction16/01/25 08:06 PM
1

Yes, everyone prefers indirect.
/r/seduction16/01/25 04:35 AM
1

The dates aren’t that great.
/r/seduction15/01/25 05:55 PM
1

Yes. If you show it. Unless she’s socially awkward/retarded.
/r/seduction15/01/25 02:10 PM
3

It depends on the woman. Some women will only want you if you’re preselected, as in they only like the idea of being a side bitch if your main woman is hotter than her because competition excites her. The other half of women are disgusted by this. There’s also preselecting where you don’t flirt with any women, but we see you as safe because other women are comfortable around you.
/r/seduction15/01/25 02:06 PM
0

Guys who’s approach are sometimes some of the most sleaziest guys, so after running into one of those sleazy guys - I decided I’d rather take dating into my own hands and only deal with guys that I go after. Of course, I am kind and flattered when guys hit on me now because it took a lot of effort just to feel safe in my body again - but I reject most of them. I don’t blame men for hating rejection. I blame sleazy men for ruining the dating market for well intentioned men. The seddit community i…
/r/seduction15/01/25 02:05 PM
1

do people in here want to fuck drug addicted girls that bad? it’s not that hard, just buy drugs
/r/seduction14/01/25 05:45 PM
1

how are broke drug dealer musicians getting laid in a transactional way?
/r/seduction13/01/25 06:49 PM
1

You’re clearly the same - believing that even though you have nothing to offer, you somehow are better than these hoeflated ladies and somehow these 9s and 10s that you want owe your some sort of attention, mind you. They don’t know nor do they care that you exist. They probably would be better off if you don’t talk to them, since all you’ll probably do is waste their time. Women are individuals. Just like men are. Yes, we’re more likely to conform than men are. But at the end of the day, every …
/r/seduction13/01/25 11:51 AM
57

You’re only a baby. Relax.
/r/seduction13/01/25 01:21 AM
1

Do more indirect approaches
/r/seduction12/01/25 04:15 AM
0

Vibe is the only important thing. Some people don’t even have to say anything and their vibe is hot/sexy
/r/seduction12/01/25 04:13 AM
1

do you coach women too
/r/seduction10/01/25 10:16 PM
1

I mean clearly she’s right and you are a player. Seems like she’s playing the same game you are.
/r/seduction10/01/25 10:14 PM
1

How to attract and seduce?
/r/seduction10/01/25 07:42 PM
2

Do you have any advice for an average woman who wants a guy with lots of money? 🥹
/r/seduction10/01/25 07:24 PM
4

Wrong. You can notice she has a fat ass and still appreciate her hair. We know you notice our body, but all men notice our bodies. Do you want to be like every other man or do you want to stand out to us and not seem like a creepy pervert? We don’t mind if guys who’ve built a rapport with us, desire us. But we acknowledge we can post a nude with our hottest attributes on display and say “come fuck us” and we’ll get a thousand offers. So we just want a guy that’ll make us feel human and not like …
/r/seduction10/01/25 06:38 PM
1

Most men here only see hotness. You’re talking into the void. You’re right, there’s a reason lots of men end up in dead bedrooms and miserable marriages but they blame women. Because they’re not responsible for their own lives, lack accountability, and often do the same virtue signaling that women do.
/r/seduction10/01/25 06:25 PM
1

I am learning how to seduce men for a reason, i suppose
/r/seduction10/01/25 06:05 PM
20

Just be yourself and be not a player. They’ll think “omg he’s not who i thought he was” and be enamored with you. We women love a plot and being the main heroine who discovers an amazing man.
/r/seduction09/01/25 07:12 PM
1

Not a weird situation, very common. Agree with the other comment on how you should approach the situation.
/r/seduction09/01/25 06:33 PM
1

Both genders hate neediness. You’re probably clinging to these girls because they’re not needy.
/r/seduction09/01/25 05:46 PM
1

Seddit is a community for men AND women. 🙃 per the wiki. But some guys do kinda bully out the women and pretend women don’t need seduction and just need to exist. So yeah, some women are taught to just exist while being hot and men will talk to them. And even on a subreddit where the goal is to learn, we’re told that.
/r/seduction09/01/25 05:03 AM
2

You’re choosing that type. Maybe they feel they’re hot so they don’t have to do much, or maybe they’re inexperienced so they don’t know how to. Hot, experienced women who care about seducing men are very rare. I’d say it’s like 2% of women. And this type usually knows how to get exactly what they want (so they’re typically gold diggers or go after the top 20% and actually win). Most women who need seduction skills (such as myself) are typically average, older more confident women, or taken. And …
/r/seduction09/01/25 04:39 AM
5

Cope.
/r/seduction09/01/25 04:22 AM
5

You should probably end it, sounds like he’s trying to manipulate you.
/r/seduction08/01/25 03:54 PM
6

She seems indifferent to you. Probably just didn’t want to be at work and you were irrelevant to her. If you’re interested just shoot your shot, who cares.
/r/seduction08/01/25 01:04 AM
1

Just being some weed and alcohol. Why do you have a stick up your ass about it? It’s literally such a low barrier to entry, these girls are actually so cheap.
/r/seduction07/01/25 10:35 PM
1

I’ve friendzoned a guy that i really liked because life was busy but i also wanted to take it slow and he kinda showed sleazy/not boyfriend material behavior. And I’ve said yes to being a guy’s gf because i was lonely. I agree, you shouldn’t let yourself be taken for a ride. But i disagree that asking for a relationship is feminine or bad.
/r/seduction07/01/25 02:51 PM
0

Just get a gf dude, relax
/r/seduction05/01/25 09:24 PM
1

You also want to pump/dump and sleep with women fast - so we would never be compatible anyways. You’d just ghost me lol
/r/seduction05/01/25 03:27 AM
1

Seduction. Mild manipulation. I think the romance is better that way anyways.
/r/seduction04/01/25 04:26 AM
1

This whole subreddit, like yes there are men who are virgins and not using it for bad reasons, just to get a gf. But manipulating, lying, future faking, seduction. I’ve had it done to me too. But i can’t hate the player, just gotta learn the game. It was magnificent until it ended brutally. So, im sure a man would appreciate it too. Just gotta find out how to do it and practice on some men until i find the guy i can seduce properly and actually love. I think everyone could benefit from learning …
/r/seduction04/01/25 04:19 AM
1

Men do it, why shouldn’t everyone
/r/seduction04/01/25 01:28 AM
2

Perfect comment that solves 99% of problems honestly.
/r/seduction03/01/25 11:31 PM
1

I don’t understand.
/r/seduction03/01/25 11:22 PM
1

I have to practice. Be confident seducing men. Stop being bitter. And be feminine. I don’t really know how you can help me do that.
/r/seduction03/01/25 07:13 PM
1

Except i don’t exactly know, which is why im here… learning and hoping that every time i go outside and exercise what i learn; im closer to meeting my future soulmate.
/r/seduction03/01/25 07:02 PM
1

It isn’t enough right now. I fear it won’t ever be enough because i am not a beautiful knock out by any means. Idk what you even mean by attracting the partner because if it hasn’t happened yet, idk how it will. I definitely have to seduce the man i want. Thanks though.
/r/seduction03/01/25 05:41 PM
84

All women are hit or miss. Some of us are repressed sexually and some of us are ready to express our sexuality. The problem with both genders is we never know what is going on beneath the surface as we only see the shallow.
/r/seduction03/01/25 05:35 PM
1

Yes. Not me, obviously. But i see traditional, submissive, feminine, dainty women being treated like crap. lol. it’s why i went the opposite route. lots of men express a weird desire to ruin these types of women and run through them. so many men on the internet even desire to hunt specific women down and ruin their innocence/try to seduce them out of their panties if their a virgin or manipulate them. no, gay men are not seducing women. I’m saying lots of women are attracted to gay men because o…
/r/seduction03/01/25 05:32 PM
1

Like i said, i am not a beautiful sexy feminine woman. So i have to learn seduction.
/r/seduction03/01/25 05:27 PM
1

No. Im talking about the Jackie Kennedy’s and Cleopatra’s of the world. Both women were reported as honestly not being that physically attractive but were very ambitious, seductive, intelligent, and charming. But a part of a person’s charm is still upholding your looks even when you’re not the most physically hottest person in the room. I’m a 6 or 7 at best. I can’t compare myself to 9s or 10s but i still desire a certain type of partner so it requires a certain type of seduction skillset.
/r/seduction03/01/25 04:41 PM
1

Im doing both. I want to attract a certain caliber man but i want lots of men to be obsessed with me. I want to have lots of fun dating lots of men. I’ve had horrible experiences and let deep insecurities prevent me from enjoying the company of men. It didn’t help that men literally were running from me lol. Being feminine is hard but femininity alone is not enough to get men infatuated. Hence, lots of women are lonely and think men are horrible.
/r/seduction03/01/25 04:31 PM
2

Thank you for the recommendation. I will read it.
/r/seduction03/01/25 04:28 PM
1

Women do love gay men. Lots of women find themselves having crushes on their gay male counterparts. Getting rejected by gay men. Hell, the top 3 porns that women usually love are erotica, lesbian, and gay. Every girl who’s not repulsed by gay men has had a boy love phase. Men showed interest in me while i was masculine too, they just ran away faster because it was just the physical they were attracted to lol. They wouldn’t even be sexually attracted to me after they talked to me. I am here to gr…
/r/seduction03/01/25 04:15 PM
4

I didn’t care about the physical attributes that men found attractive in me. My insecurities laid deeper than that. But now that im more shallow i guess, i do care a lot more about what physically attracts men because i want a certain caliber of man.
/r/seduction03/01/25 04:06 PM
1

Casanova? Don Juan? Even “bad boys” show women a certain side of them that polarizes in a feminine way and makes women feel like he could be soft or different or they could be “the one”. I’m an overly masculine woman - it’s like the opposite of sexy. But as i embrace my feminine self, more men show lots of interest in me.
/r/seduction03/01/25 03:44 PM
6

Yes. We are. Most women who are insecure are not smiling at men and excited to talk to them. They’re running and isolating themselves from most men. Men are terrifying when you’re insecure. I wished men wouldn’t look at me when i was insecure. Then the only guy to ever express romantic interest & make me feel mildly safe and think he was a good guy, abandoned me and I spiraled and ruined my life. So that’s how most women end up in terrible relationships/situations.
/r/seduction03/01/25 03:37 PM
5

No. But if she’s not into you, it may seem needy.
/r/seduction03/01/25 03:33 PM
1

Yeah. I do think seduction is a woman’s weapon. We’re not as strong as men but we have what men most desire. Sure, some men will rape for it but most love the feeling it gives when they earn it. In a world where women are becoming increasingly masculine, I’ll say that men who were more polarizingly feminine are who stood out to me most before my journey started. Which is why i am now learning seduction; to increase my femininity. The greatest seducers in history from a male perspective leaned he…
/r/seduction03/01/25 03:30 PM
1

I guess i sometimes assumed some women just have it - competence. But i think some women were just lucky to be raised in a household that encouraged their femininity and seductive skill sets.
/r/seduction03/01/25 02:59 PM
1

I admire this post but there’s nothing stopping you from being competent AND confident. I can acknowledge my confidence carried me through life even when I was incompetent. I am still incompetent at seduction; although apparently it’s naturally a woman’s weapon. So, right now I would rather be competent.
/r/seduction03/01/25 06:59 AM
5

Why do you care so much about interacting with women that you freeze up? What is the worst thing that could happen if you just started letting your personality out?
/r/seduction03/01/25 06:42 AM
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Eh. It’s easy to not be recreational use, just don’t have sex and most men who only want sex will ghost you. I’m talking about .002% of men here so highly unlikely I’d meet him. Men fall in love with beauty, women love how you make us feel. You’re in this subreddit to bang/use/probably manipulate decent looking to hot women, not care for them or love them. You’re just as shallow as I am.
/r/seduction03/01/25 06:05 AM
1

I understood the post. I commented because I disagree. You’re right, it is weird and incongruent with reality. But it can work.
/r/seduction03/01/25 05:17 AM
1

No. I disagree. If a man has status, money, is tall, and is attractive. I’ll fuck. They’re right. Money is the hottest thing to me, personally.
/r/seduction02/01/25 02:39 AM
2

Yeah. Celebrity. I’d reject a 10/10 guy asking to fuck. I may or may not reject a 10/10 celebrity. Women care about status, money, fame more than looks. If they have all of the above, im probably dtf. But a random hot man? No, I’d probably be more scared of him than anything.
/r/seduction02/01/25 02:14 AM
0

So you’re saying you’d be an asshole. Even if in reality you’re an asshole, you’d just risk being rejected 9/10 times. Even if you’re hot. It may have a 2/5 success rate instead. Yes, we like attractive men but we’re still human beings.
/r/seduction02/01/25 02:10 AM
2

No. But i agree, a good one that’s aligned with your communication style and understands who you are and what your goals are may be able to help you a lot.
/r/seduction01/01/25 04:35 PM
12

We like maturity but with that sexy playfulness. Express your curiosity and youth but be a gentleman. Literally being a sexy gentleman will make you stand out 100x more than older men. Most women don’t wanna go more than 1 year younger but you can be the exception if you play your cards right
/r/seduction01/01/25 04:53 AM
2

True. I’m not hot enough to be instagram famous or anything without being a niche. But it’s definitely a goal in the future once im a little hotter. I know men treat bimbos so amazing but it’s super hard to kinda get rid of my independent mindset too. So it’s both. Inner and outer game. So many men marry and treat useless bimbos well too even after their looks have died down and they’ve been sluts or are single moms because they have the hot girl mentality. So it’s a lot of inner game for us as …
/r/seduction31/12/24 07:17 PM
1

I think seddit is fine. Another subreddit would be hard to maintain and doesn’t have enough interest yet. I’ve read lots of PUA books, RSD, etc and use those tactics and try to reverse engineer some of them. Honestly, a lot of the same stuff works and just needs to be applied in a “feminine” way. Just tired of hearing men are cavemen. Yes, men are more physically shallow and driven by their little head - but no, men are not dumb cavemen. Seducing men is a lot of work and just as difficult.
/r/seduction31/12/24 07:02 PM
0

This is a quality post and I do think it’s valuable in getting women. I just hate the “men are cavemen” mantra. As an average looking woman, I am not banging hot men. I have never banged a man out of my league. I am trying to make it a goal for 2025 - but no, we cannot just go up to a hot guy and ask to bang. They will be disgusted by us and reject us. Lots of men hate easy or slutty women. Having tact is for both genders. The best id get without tact is probably a disgusting douche bag that’s n…
/r/seduction31/12/24 06:29 PM
0

Quality post. Agree with comments saying the only way to judge your input is effective is by understanding the feedback of your environment. But that’s a subjective tweak in your wording, clearly you’re not saying do whatever you want and f the results. If im seducing men and they’re not texting me or calling me. Clearly my seduction skills did not work and need to be reevaluated. You’re not seducing anyone if nobody is making themselves available to you or chasing you in some capacity. But you …
/r/seduction31/12/24 04:00 PM
2

All men claim they pay for it in one way or another. And I’d argue all people pay for it. If they get independent/intelligent women, they probably pay for it in a personality/attitude/and looks/attractiveness. If they get a more traditional type, intelligence varies here because this type may not throw her intellect in his face, he’s often paying for all the dates and their living expenses for the rest of their lives. So either way - they pay. For a woman, I’ve previously been the independent ty…
/r/seduction31/12/24 03:11 PM
2

You did fine. I agree with the comment that says to tell her you love her intensity. She’s shy and scared of ruining your friendship. Lots of women value friendship a lot, only a few of us hate the friendzone. Like if we like you we could be in a relationship of be just friends and both are fine and valuable to us. Because we don’t have sexual scarcity but male friendships are so valuable and hard to maintain.
/r/seduction31/12/24 01:41 AM
5

Who cares. If he’s not her boyfriend, she’s available. I’d go after a single man that I want unabashedly. If they’re not taken, they’re available.
/r/seduction30/12/24 08:38 PM
0

Yup. People are not a monolith. They either like you or they don’t. Tactics only kinda matter if you have a specific end goal in mind, but they’re no end all be all.
/r/seduction30/12/24 08:02 PM
8

First, you need to detach from all men. It sounds like you want a relationship. Don’t get what seddit calls “oneitis” because if that man doesn’t want a relationship with you, then you’re going to waste your time with a potential fboy. Sex is okay, I do believe with most men you’re gonna need to have sex after you get in the relationship as men do not like easy or slutty women for LTR (long term relationship). To overcome the eye contact: practice with everyone, women men old young. The more rep…
/r/seduction30/12/24 07:45 PM
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Become friends with both of them. If he likes you, he may put in a good word for you. And you’re “vetted”. We women typically trust the men in our lives. Thats why so many men game with “wings”, any amount of people that you’re with just prove you’re not a creepy loser who sits in his mom’s basement alone. I never really understood why men are so friendship adverse???
/r/seduction30/12/24 07:11 PM
1

Idk. What are you doing? How are you creating space? How are you letting them show themselves? How are you choosing?
/r/seduction30/12/24 03:31 AM
4

Sounds like you are the problem, as many people have relationships with attractive and intelligent people. I’ve never read anything in the subreddit of particular quality on either of these subjects. Are you sure you’re doing what you claim you can do? Maybe you’re only capable of seducing dumb women.
/r/seduction30/12/24 03:09 AM
1

What are your tactics for doing this? How do you hold frame and tap into emotions?
/r/seduction30/12/24 02:49 AM
1

Because some men are here maliciously, just like some women seduce men maliciously.
/r/seduction29/12/24 05:08 AM
1

Im a girl. I meant tactics the prostitutes, strippers, etc did
/r/seduction29/12/24 04:17 AM
6

Depends on the woman.
/r/seduction29/12/24 04:16 AM
1

Same game. If she rejected you for her boyfriend, she thinks he’s better than you or she’s a loyal person.
/r/seduction28/12/24 06:52 PM
2

also, any fun tactics these types of women did that y’all enjoyed/would recommend?
/r/seduction28/12/24 06:30 PM
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He just knew how to talk to me. I’m still learning so bare with me while I attempt to logically explain. I always wondered why it was so hard to talk to men, why it was so awkward, etc. it felt like most men were either bad at conversation, sex creeps, or the good ones were taken. He told me he learned how to be better at it but refused to teach me. I think maybe most people think it’s something you’re supposed to learn on your own. So a guy who knew how to be kind to me without coming off as we…
/r/seduction28/12/24 06:14 PM
3

Agree. Men have it hard sometimes and I can admit I’ve even not given men grace in the past. Women have to learn this stuff too. A lot of men expect women to be perfect princesses. “Why would you trust that man who said he wanted to marry you? That’s stupid”, “why don’t women know that men go through xyz”, “why are women so hard to talk to”, “why are women so defensive/mean”, or a bunch of other crap. But unless you came from a perfect family, that’s often not the case. We’re often scared that m…
/r/seduction28/12/24 04:48 PM
2

I never thought about it until an experienced guy happened. I always just kinda didn’t understand why some men knew and some men didn’t know. Then when I was seduced I was like “damn, how many women has he done this to?”. It was so fun during the process but the most horrible experience afterwards. I think men think women fall for “bad boys” because they’re bad. But often they just really know how to talk to us, really know how to get in our heads, really know how to go through the motions perfe…
/r/seduction28/12/24 04:04 PM
1

I never said it wasn’t insecurity. I am also scared of players. They can get bored, they might cheat. But i guess both know how to seduce which is why you and i are here. To learn how to seduce and not be on the wrong end of the dynamic 😉
/r/seduction28/12/24 02:59 AM
1

No point in coping. You just admitted you wouldn’t LTR a slut. Idc what you like/don’t like. Women will still be sluts even though every day men say they hate sluts, and some men do end up marrying sluts so it’s not a big deal. It’s not over for sluts even if they have a kid, they can turn their lives around unless they’re a porn star. Just like men will still be players and eventually find somebody to settle down with. Honestly, the more practice - the better probably.
/r/seduction28/12/24 02:40 AM
2

Maybe you’re only hot for hookers.
/r/seduction28/12/24 01:51 AM
1

Yes 🙂
/r/seduction28/12/24 01:36 AM
1

No. We are kinda naive sometimes and will think you care about our dog lol. We know what y’all want but some of us definitely will believe you actually mean what you say. I didn’t even know that was a seduction tactic until I started learning how to seduce men, and now I do it and I finally am starting to understand. Unless you’re really attractive or have sexy energy, which it seems like you don’t - please don’t go direct. Stay indirect and literally read Neil Strauss and Mystery Method. Your p…
/r/seduction28/12/24 01:31 AM
2

Indirect approach only. Never compliment a woman’s appearance. Every man ever does this, your goal is to not be like all the other guys. (We know you are, so don’t worry) Learn how to small talk. Maybe read Mystery Method - take out the peacocking and negging which are over the top tactics. Just the basics.
/r/seduction28/12/24 01:23 AM
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No. I meant just memorable fun things. Not locking down things. My goal is to learn seduction, push/pull, and fun ways to get guys a little hooked without a relationship. Just to play the field from the girl’s perspective.
/r/seduction28/12/24 12:24 AM
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wym? men hate sluts. they’re used and abused and discarded and seen as the scum of society. but yes, guys who are serious will next you at the first overstep of sluttiness so you have to be careful
/r/seduction27/12/24 06:32 PM
2

Here! As a woman this is where I started. Once you dive deep it’s actually so fun too! The harder thing is reverse engineering the tactics and ensuring you’re using them in a feminine way. There’s no solid practical books on being a siren
/r/seduction27/12/24 10:06 AM
2

Go on a date first. At the end of the first or second date, look into his eyes then at his lips, then at his eyes again and lean in. So first secure the date!
/r/seduction27/12/24 09:21 AM
6

Any good girl game tips that made these experiences more memorable? I’ll totally check out the 5 Principles of Natural Seduction - that’s new for me.
/r/seduction27/12/24 08:56 AM
2

Just compliment her style and see if she lingers, then keep talking.
/r/seduction27/12/24 08:54 AM
3

You need to be a gentleman with a youthful mischievous side. We love hot young men. Honestly it’s just taboo but like even if I’m in my late 20s and not a MILF, i can’t deny like peak hotness for men is probably 22-25. The only problem is y’all are immature. Act mature. Flirt with her. Be different from men your age. Compliment her mentally and emotionally. Then bring it physically, she’s older - men aren’t pursuing her with the same vigor they used to. This is your chance to learn how to be sex…
/r/seduction27/12/24 07:23 AM
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Like you said; he hates slutty women (most men do - so either way seduction is great) do you gotta be coy. You’re about to play the long game. First things first, ensure you’re so secure and comfortable with yourself. Second, figure out what type of seducers you are. Google traits and see what aligns with you. You need to practice in the mirror. Eye contact. Lip biting. Sexy stares. When you interact with him, confidently touch his arms, his back, and his shoulders, his face, his hair. Ask him f…
/r/seduction27/12/24 07:02 AM
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Women do this. So same same
/r/seduction26/12/24 03:18 PM
1

Just experiment with makeup. If you really feel like you need it and it’ll help. Who cares
/r/seduction26/12/24 04:29 AM
1

You can if you cater to gay men! And no; in fact i think it’s going to get worst. Then VR, AI, robots, etc. it’ll be fun.
/r/seduction26/12/24 04:13 AM
0

why not
/r/seduction25/12/24 11:27 PM
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I struggle with building attraction with men too and I think it’s this mindset. You don’t feel attractive/desirable. Just think about having sex with women. As long as it’s only in your head, you can begin to take conscious effort to make it okay. Once you’re okay with it - move to actual visualization. Meditate on it. Get comfortable with the thought of women being attracted to you. Say hi and flirt a little with random women. Compliment them. Do small acts for them (like open a door with a fli…
/r/seduction25/12/24 07:30 AM
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Ive been ghosted by a guy that i thought could’ve been the one if he were more trustworthy and honest but i know he was a serious liar (even literally described himself as honest and trustworthy) serial cheater and not a good guy so he actually saved me! Shed your tears and get ready for a fun sexy seductive 2025!!! If you can cold/warm approach, connect with, and meet a truly attractive woman once, you can do it again!!
/r/seduction25/12/24 01:05 AM
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If you’re happy with the standard of living and traditions there and can learn the language, i don’t see why not. I’ve considered going to Europe to date men there too for funsies, but I personally couldn’t live anywhere except USA i love this country and i love American southern sexy gentlemen. But i love French, British, and a couple other types of men too i just can’t live over there!
/r/seduction25/12/24 01:01 AM
2

everything just depends. if you work at McDonald’s and have a 6 figure wife, you still may not get full custody of the kids - but you may not have to pay child support or the child support will be like $100 per kid. But that’s with or without a wife. If I’m being honest, some of the more doormat women will probably have a kid out of wedlock and you can just pay child support and be a weekend dad if you want that. My male friends that have foreign brides typically love them. But they’re very trad…
/r/seduction25/12/24 12:45 AM
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It matters if you think it matters. But you’re not getting any younger and i hear its harder to find quality people with no kids as we get older. If you get more experience, you may find it easier to find “quality women” whatever that means to you. But you may be left wondering if you let a really good one get away. If you stay with her, you may wonder what else is out there. As a woman, I’m in the same spot rn. I haven’t found a “perfect guy” but dating some pretty quality guys rn and just expl…
/r/seduction25/12/24 12:33 AM
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Quality post. Could use some more practical advice, but definitely quality enough to be a book.
/r/seduction25/12/24 12:22 AM
1

Sometimes i definitely feel the same, like i go out and flirt with men just to go through the motions not because i care or want anything from them - i just need to practice. I won’t lie, it helps you mentally prepare for when you meet the one. So i get it
/r/seduction24/12/24 09:31 PM
2

Any tips on building attraction & resetting your angle of pathology?
/r/seduction24/12/24 09:13 PM
1

If sex doesn’t motivate you - why not just focus on yourself instead of women?
/r/seduction24/12/24 09:10 PM
5

Don’t directly ask to make out and hookup, yes to most men that is desperate and loser like. Just ask him to hangout or go on a date or something and escalate from there.
/r/seduction24/12/24 08:50 PM
1

What book/content are you pulling from that has “value taking” as a reference?? I’d love to read it.
/r/seduction24/12/24 03:37 PM
2

You laughed in her face… you ruined your own chances. Maybe next time, don’t laugh in her face?
/r/seduction24/12/24 03:35 PM
8

Bars/clubs are just 3rd spaces. Duh you can hit on people anywhere. Brain dead take, stop being radical. This is the male version of women’s “men ain’t shit” radicalization.
/r/seduction24/12/24 03:07 PM
1

No. I’m in my 20s trying to learn.
/r/seduction24/12/24 01:34 PM
2

are you attractive enough to attract the woman you want? maybe do some better hobbies.
/r/seduction24/12/24 05:14 AM
2

Not necessarily. I’ve been enthusiastic in conversations where men just basically sucked and were extremely awkward. I’ve had to carry them and do lots of work like pulling teeth. But then i learned a few skills to make it easier for guys to open up to me and feel more comfortable around me, and I’ve been practicing flirting and seduction. I think y’all just don’t understand what’s actually going on and the skill set lots of older more confident women are utilizing here Wym by the last part? I t…
/r/seduction24/12/24 04:19 AM
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But were you consciously aware of what she was doing that made this happen? I think you could analyze this further. It’s not as simple as she just reciprocated. She knew what she was doing and gave you grace and guidance to create a fulfilling engagement. I’ve been practicing this deeply as someone who has had many horrible and awkward conversations with men. She clearly put in work to make sure you felt good and like a competent conversationalist. Whereas young women probably just don’t underst…
/r/seduction24/12/24 04:15 AM
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As a woman, most of us probably don’t become good at that until our late 30s as we get experience. Usually girls who are flirty and good at making men feel good might get paired off in HS/college which explains the 2 kids. Can you elaborate on what made the experience so refreshing? Break down the details.
/r/seduction24/12/24 01:09 AM
2

Both genders are like this. Natural law, human nature.
/r/seduction24/12/24 12:35 AM
1

Yes.
/r/seduction23/12/24 11:03 PM
8

Outside. Or, places where the type of woman you want goes.
/r/seduction23/12/24 09:31 PM
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The guy who seduced me is my inspiration for wanting to learn how to seduce men. He had a really strong reality, was incredibly charming, successful, smart, tall, and maybe a 6/7 attractiveness so that made him feel attainable. He knew exactly what to say to make me melt. He carried himself like a Prince Charming out of a movie. He had this perfect gentleman on the outside, you don’t know what could happen behind closed doors aura that entranced me. I would’ve followed him anywhere. The passion …
/r/seduction23/12/24 09:21 PM
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Be hot. Hot as you can be. The sexier/hotter the better. Be subtle like set him up to connect dots in his head vs just telling him; he’ll be more passionate and think everything is his idea which will give him masculine confidence. Be intentional. Eye contact. Stroke his ego. Always be kino’ing.
/r/seduction23/12/24 02:40 AM
2

Both genders need game. If you’re chasing women; you’re probably shooting up and have low self esteem.
/r/seduction23/12/24 02:33 AM
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If you’re looking for a relationship, you’re probably the problem. Maybe lower your standards?
/r/seduction23/12/24 02:29 AM
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Wym why is it a struggle? And no, you must be good looking imo - i wouldn’t even accept it from a good looking guy but yes some women will hate it if you’re unattractive and insult you but horny women definitely will be ok if you’re a quality enough man. Good looking can be barely above average and just have a good profile btw.. I’ve met hotties with terrible social media and OLD accounts. But what’s the problem? What results do you want or expect vs what you’re currently doing?
/r/seduction22/12/24 01:47 AM
1

If 80% of women say yes when you ask for sex those are really good results, better than 99% of men. You must be really hot or something because as a woman this behavior would gross me out. What’s the problem here? You’re never going to get 100% of women. Some women just won’t like you, want a relationship, or prefer other seduction skills.
/r/seduction21/12/24 11:03 PM
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ask
/r/seduction21/12/24 10:57 PM
1

It’s totally okay to ask permission before a kiss! Just make the moment hot and steamy. Like you said, you don’t wanna go from 0 to 100. You wanna build those butterflies and fireworks.
/r/seduction21/12/24 10:48 PM
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You’re coming on a little too strong. I do too, i have very straight forward communication so i really relate to your struggles with men. Contrary to popular belief lots of men do not like that sort of stuff. They find it off putting or may feel like they’re being scammed or more attractive men with options might actually find it boring and too easy. Maybe start implying things a little slower so men can connect the dots themselves and feel empowered (this makes them more passionate). Ie in situ…
/r/seduction21/12/24 10:30 PM
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You’re not wrong, the problem is you’re asking people to run before they even crawl. You’re saying “just be confident bro/sis” when frankly all of us have insecurities and if we’re not super experienced with the opposite gender or have faced rejection we may have bitterness and anxiety surrounding a lot of things. Some of us need a solid foundation. I know for me as a woman, I’ve always gotten male attention but I didn’t care (was focused on my career and my life) and only dated a few guys. So w…
/r/seduction21/12/24 06:49 PM
1

They find me attractive but I still want to work on it. Looks do matter for men lol. I want a quality partner.
/r/seduction20/12/24 07:42 PM
1

are you a woman? idk, I’m learning how to appeal to the male gaze and im a ~6 in looks - it’s a lot of work. Going to the gym and dieting is pretty difficult too. The consistency part is tough.
/r/seduction20/12/24 05:30 PM
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Wym by purchased and applied? Im a woman. But i am kinda shallow. I prefer healthy bmi and attractive features. women who are >25 bmi are beautiful in their own way but i would never be attracted sexually/physically to them. Then yeah i like cute/beautiful features, prefer longer hair and more feminine looking women, presentable. Lots of women are chunky and go outside wearing baggy unappealing clothes looking frumpy and grumpy or pajamas with a disheveled just got outta bed look.
/r/seduction20/12/24 04:51 PM
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Men don’t like that and I think it’s a rare occurrence in and of itself. Some men may pretend to like it online but they will definitely start to disrespect/resent the woman. 50/50 with a hot woman sounds best for OP. But beautiful/hot women are already rare, think about American obesity rates, like 60-70% of women are fat (so like 20% of women are hot), an ambitious one is probably even more rare (like 5% of women), then one that will be excited to split the bills is like 2.5% of women.
/r/seduction20/12/24 04:36 PM
1

That’s so awesome that your mentor was so integrated into the scene that he taught some pretty popular guys! You’re so lucky. That stuff really opened my eyes as a woman and so many things that used to not make sense clicked for me! I would wonder why I’m into losers and why it’s hard for me to be attracted to/find quality guys. I wondered why some girls I worked with slept with such loser managers when they’re so pretty or even had decent boyfriends! I wondered why some of my friends or even be…
/r/seduction20/12/24 08:26 AM
1

We women, contrary to popular belief. Are adults who can take care of ourselves. Maybe communicate with them? They may even help you find women! As women will feel safer going home with you if we know other women consider you as safe.
/r/seduction20/12/24 06:54 AM
1

Pfft fly me out and i will be your wing woman 🤣 But how you’re feeling is totally human. you just gotta push through it a little.
/r/seduction20/12/24 06:48 AM
1

that’s okay! I’m kinda scared of men too and i have an amazing brother who would never hurt a fly and is so sweet and gentleman like and a pretty great father who did have a hoe phase in his youth but mostly respects women! most of my interactions with men are good but sometimes the few that are bad can leave a lasting impact. you really don’t need friends to hit on women, you need to get outta your head. i think you’re definitely physically attractive enough for your type based on my quick glan…
/r/seduction20/12/24 06:36 AM
3

Yeah, loser was in quotes so i agree with perceived, plenty of insecure attractive, successful, and amazing men in the world. They’re often just hiding from or scared of women tbh lol. RSD/PUA explains a lot of this! Gorgeous women are just as insecure as a lot of men. Many humans, especially attractive women have severe trauma or yeah - just never had to work to be intelligent and let their looks carry them. They’ll go after the man that’s socially perceived as high status in their emotionally …
/r/seduction20/12/24 06:14 AM
1

Be kind and open with him. He’s going to be a slow burner and this will be fun for both of you! Kiss him, make out with him, let him touch your body. Then take a step back and give him some space to crave you. Light push/pull. (Im learning this too!) give him some playful banter, text him about the kissing and light escalating. Hold his hand. Gaze in his eyes and randomly peck him. When you’re alone grind on him a little while you make out and push him to second base until he’s comfortable then …
/r/seduction20/12/24 06:00 AM
2

Sounds like you’re scared of women and feeling insecure. Just address those problems. We’re raised to be polite, even the hot ones. Just talk to us, we only bite sometimes 😉
/r/seduction20/12/24 05:42 AM
5

Like i said, it’s not a real indicator if a man is dangerous or a creep. It’s a sudo indicator if a man is confident and has a strong sense of his reality. As mentioned in RSD/PUA material. We think we have this magic radar but really we have a strong idea of what man could potentially have social status in some environment. This is good for us evolutionary wise because it meant our kids have an average ability to survive and will have some confidence sometimes. This is bad because we don’t genu…
/r/seduction20/12/24 05:36 AM
1

You don’t have to change your personality. Just genuinely learn who you are and how you can bring your best side out to the opposite gender. Over my life, i have not always been the most attractive option to men. I’m average cute/pretty. Like a 6 in looks, maybe a 7 if I’m done up right. But as i develop my personality, become more confident, and polarize myself based on my personality while learning mild skills to help me attract my type - more men that i actually like and have potential to be …
/r/seduction20/12/24 05:14 AM
5

Relief when escalated is like eating when you’re hungry and stopping before you’re too full. If she’s hungry, give her more and that will relieve her hunger. If she’s full, more food (flirting/escalation) will then turn her off/disgust her. As a girl; i think constantly checking for reassurance without needing validation is the most pivotal point here. He’s not wanting or waiting for the girl to verbally communicate anything (most women hate this and we expect you to read our minds). Luckily for…
/r/seduction20/12/24 04:07 AM
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Quality post. RSD really emphasizes this. Men are visual first and a little more shallow than women (which is fine and has been great for humanity), personality kinda comes second. Whereas women evaluate a man by his entire being and sometimes automatically assume confidence and a good frame will mean he’s a good man/has potential. It’s why a lot of us can accidentally get caught up with losers and unavailable men despite claiming we have a “creep” radar. The “creep radar” is really just our int…
/r/seduction20/12/24 03:38 AM
1

I mean; just be a dirtbag. Go after a less attractive, desperate, insecure woman. Ensure they know you’re a dirtbag so they can’t be mad about that later (or they can but you can just tell them you never lied to them). You’ll get a lot of rejection but once you find the right woman, you’ll be able to enjoy yourself for at least a few months. Just court her the same way you’d court a regular woman but be sure she knows you’ll never be in a serious relationship with her. I’ve seen married guys pul…
/r/seduction20/12/24 01:11 AM
2

All humans have equal capacity to be creepy. Women are more hive minded (which is why we’re commonly very “good” and better at school) and men are more risk takers on average (hence higher earning potential, higher death rates, and typically do cooler things), so i don’t really understand where you’re coming from. Could you elaborate?
/r/seduction20/12/24 01:05 AM
2

Can you elaborate on how you do this and maybe zoom out the perspective to be gender neutral? As a woman I’d like to know how to do the reverse. I know I can dangle the sex carrot but frankly I’ve been a relationship girl my entire life, so it’s a whole different skill set!
/r/seduction19/12/24 10:58 PM
3

Men are actually very similar! I think humans are just emotional creatures. Lots of men will enjoy doing things that aren’t logical based on emotions and adventure. It’s why sometimes guys fall for manic pixie dream girls, marry horrible women who logically make no sense, and various other things.
/r/seduction19/12/24 10:51 PM
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Stop wondering/caring. Just like men, women are not a monolith. Some of us are looking for relationships, some are looking to see where things go. Some want sex, some want free food.
/r/seduction19/12/24 10:48 PM
7

Thank you so much for this excellent advice 🥰 We’re all learning. Just because you’re not a master, doesn’t mean you don’t have valuable things to teach others. I loved your post, look forward to reading more from you for sure!
/r/seduction19/12/24 09:26 PM
0

Anywhere outside
/r/seduction19/12/24 08:53 PM
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We women are simple creatures. We hate creepy men who make us feel unsafe and uncomfortable. Except the traumatized women with daddy issues - they’re confused because they’re clueless about men and whatnot. So you need to work on escalation. Start learning how to be more playful, sexual, and comforting. Build comfort - compliment something about her looks she put effort into. “Your hair looks stunning”, “i love your sense of style”, etc. this separates you from 80% of men who are generic and cal…
/r/seduction19/12/24 08:00 PM
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Great post and great reply, I completely agree. I’m a girl. So, I’m more so wondering outer logic. Can you zoom out to more of a gender neutral way? In trying to kinda learn how to get in men’s heads a little better and give them an equal amount of stimulation, make them feel seduced. I already do lots of compliments and mild strategic kino which works well. I’m just learning how to build intense attraction, intimacy, and sexual tension better. I’m naturally pretty passionate and slowly becoming…
/r/seduction19/12/24 07:43 PM
6

Great post. I admit most of this works on me. And builds intense attraction. I think men love talking about themselves just as much as women do same principles apply to both genders! The soft date thing just has to be more subtle from a woman’s perspective - you have to make him feel like everything is his idea so he can feel sexy and manly.
/r/seduction19/12/24 07:39 PM
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How did you learn to do this?
/r/seduction19/12/24 06:40 PM
3

Just date less hot women. More average or less attractive women are more willing to go 50/50.
/r/seduction19/12/24 06:13 PM
1

Split it or don’t pay for it. Some girls won’t sleep with you afterwards, some girls wouldn’t sleep with you whether you paid or not. Who cares.
/r/seduction19/12/24 06:12 PM
1

You have to be in a really positive state of mind. I’d be so open to talking to a man at a coffee shop/library/book store; I’ve approached 2 guys and casually chatted with others. Look attractive (well groomed), order a drink or pick up a book so you’re not some creeper (which i assume you’ll do since you already frequent them but just reiterating). Start with small talk and compliments to warm yourself up (someone said that in here) then from there start learning how to gauge their body languag…
/r/seduction19/12/24 06:02 PM
1

American
/r/seduction19/12/24 05:51 PM
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I agree! This advice works wonderfully for both genders. Nobody likes needy/too nice people. It comes off as desperate. Always have a rotation unless you know your current life is extremely fulfilling, then you can afford not to because you’re genuinely busy. Always be meeting new people so even if you do like someone early, you can rebound and reinvest your energy.
/r/seduction18/12/24 11:53 PM
2

yes. just make her feel safe.
/r/seduction18/12/24 02:23 PM
1

OP asked why we don’t respond. I’m average looking so this is a baseline of what most women experience.
/r/seduction18/12/24 02:18 PM
5

why is it difficult to ask for any date after the first one? this feels like the easiest part of dating. just ask.
/r/seduction18/12/24 01:45 AM
1

Split evenly.. girls avoid both. How do women use the attention against men? Like only use them for attention but nothing else?
/r/seduction17/12/24 09:04 PM
5

Ass grabbing is ok. Keep your hands out her pants or nobody will want to go home with you. Have some class.
/r/seduction17/12/24 08:23 PM
5

As a woman, the best way to approach is indirectly. Say hi, ask her about her gym experience. Maybe ask if she’s doing any classes or has a gym routine worked out. Just be kind so she can let her guard down. If she’s receptive, keeps the conversation going, lingers while you talk, touches you or seems flirty - go for the close (number, or even an instant date if your gym has a cafe or something nearby). If she’s unreceptive, leave her alone and say you’ll see her around. Don’t be afraid to say h…
/r/seduction17/12/24 07:10 PM
2

This is the reason women started hating being approached. You’re ruining the dating market for better men.
/r/seduction17/12/24 07:07 PM
4

I’m a girl
/r/seduction17/12/24 05:07 AM
3

I’m average and i get just about every match i swipe right on. Most people of both genders are boring. Your profile might suck. I give up on dating apps very often as meeting/going on dates can feel like pulling teeth. Irl interactions are more authentic. Tinder is the wordy social online dating app, only fans girls and prostitutes use it so most men on there will ask for nudes or to pay for sex.
/r/seduction16/12/24 11:36 PM
3

Then why did you post this post?
/r/seduction16/12/24 06:03 PM
3

In your post history you are basically failing college, seem to have no life/hobbies, and cheated on your “perfect” ex gf. Just pay for it so you can stop chasing useless validation.
/r/seduction16/12/24 04:51 PM
2

No. I wanted one but I acknowledge it won’t be as good as this one. Not enough participation. Seduction is an art. I want to be an artist. This sub is mostly men trying to get laid. Which is fine. Everyone has goals and can be rewarded for their efforts. I want to genuinely seduce everyone and be a true seductress/master flirt though.
/r/seduction16/12/24 04:24 PM
2

Just pay for it
/r/seduction16/12/24 04:17 PM
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You’re 19. I don’t expect many women your age to be comfortable bringing you back to their place where they probably have a roommate if you’ve never met in public before. So you’re gonna have to man up and expect a lot of rejections. It’s a numbers game. Just keep trying and maybe even go after older women until you get an acceptance. This may take 100+ matches. You need to just be mentally prepared for it.
/r/seduction16/12/24 02:44 PM
1

The collective male consciousness went crazy with this one. Us women were completely blindsided by the epidemic rofl
/r/seduction16/12/24 02:42 PM
1

I would just use 2 for attention and he’d be a loser creep in my mind.
/r/seduction14/12/24 04:38 AM
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Just invite them over but don’t ask for sex. Say you’re looking for a fwb if asked. Otherwise offer up some wine (i know you’re 19 but literally have something to offer) and say you wanna Netflix and chill. If you’re attractive; most girls are going to want to kiss you when ur cuddling and watching Netflix so you’ll have to take it from there!
/r/seduction14/12/24 02:29 AM
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It’s just a start. I will document. Thank you for your comment. Nothing is comprehensive, i think it’s supposed to be innate. So the women books are so bad if you have had trauma or maybe autism. They’re like “just exist” and occasionally strike up conversation. But obviously just existing has not given me a quality partner. I think being able to genuinely pick out our partner; even if we use indirect communication to do it will allow for less divorce and horrible relationships. Most women choos…
/r/seduction12/12/24 01:19 PM
2

I have no idea how to get to the primal desire. I feel autistic damn near. Like enjoying a man should be nature to me; but most of my interactions with men are forced. I need to clearly talk to lots of men to get over my anxiety and negative perceptions. I know men are just people. Idk I think once you accept that your gender probably isn’t what you think it is and really emphasize what you’ve seen work - game gets better for both genders. I’ve seen game work on women, even the ugliest brokest g…
/r/seduction12/12/24 01:12 PM
1

This is literally a PUA/seduction sub - there’s no women version. I’d probably equate this to “nice girl” thinking. Most men don’t like nice girls; so take what you want from that.
/r/seduction12/12/24 01:07 PM
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Men don’t appreciate women who cook anymore. I want to date multiple men and choose one for a relationship. Men hate sluts and don’t respect them. So no; it’s not my goal. No, if i take your advice I’ll be a joke and a loser while the guy i tried to court is taking another girl on dates and asking her to be his girlfriend. I’ve literally seen this happen where a girl friend of my planned an extremely romantic date for a man and he copied the entire thing for another girl and made the other girl …
/r/seduction12/12/24 01:05 PM
1

Nice people finish last. Everyone knows that.
/r/seduction12/12/24 01:01 PM
2

I’m trying to work on my attachment style before I get a relationship. I want to be more secure and have an abundance of options so i don’t get stuck on one man (had a very awful situation happen a few years ago where i got stuck on a guy and it basically ruined my life so i am starting over from scratch). In the past before my emotional breakdown; i had ok goals and social intelligence. Just figured I’d start a family with my ex. I am cute/average/pretty. Like a 6 or 7 in looks maybe. Yes, almo…
/r/seduction12/12/24 04:40 AM
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Except the negging has worked in the past. I’ve never had a cooking date before; but most men will think that’s low effort and will make you an easy doormat with an invitation for sex in 2024 - big NO THANK YOU. i think you’re underestimating how much men take advantage of and use nice girls. I’ve seen this happen countless times where men will treat good girls who cook for them like trash while making girls that they actually put effort into their gf and treat the other girl way better!
/r/seduction12/12/24 04:13 AM
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Most people are kinda boring, most Americans are kinda fat. Obviously the goal is to show off your personality and bring the best out of others but that doesn’t happen over night and you need some sort of metric to determine if you’re doing well. Ie for men that metric would be numbers, dates, sex. For women the metric can be validation, dates, long term relationship prospects. Everyone craves connection. Even giving people the opportunity to flirt can give others self confidence. And I’ve seen …
/r/seduction12/12/24 04:11 AM
1

I find this works with men too but I am too much of a nice girl. Any tips?
/r/seduction10/12/24 04:39 AM
2

Thank you. You’re right. Exactly, ugly strippers make money and unattractive gold diggers get great partners. Being charming and charismatic is super important for both genders. Men don’t mind talking to a nice girl; they may even enjoy it or take her out on a date. But nice girls are not fun nor exciting. Most men aren’t getting in relationships with or being good to nice girls. Yeah… i am working on my self esteem. It’s an ongoing battle and i don’t understand what is going on with me. I don’t…
/r/seduction06/12/24 04:34 AM
2

I want both. If women need no game, explain why unattractive women can get hot men and why women can be gold diggers? I’m attractive enough that men are complimenting me and give me attention. I’m a nice girl so i think they get bored or something.
/r/seduction06/12/24 02:58 AM
1

Im going to learn girl game or die trying. I’ve seen too many unattractive women and women who are gold diggers get what they want for me to believe what you’re saying. I don’t want a guy like you, so i think that means i shouldn’t take your advice. Thank you for your opinion though.
/r/seduction02/12/24 05:04 PM
1

Then explain diggers, high class escorts, ugly girls who get hot guys. Fat girls with muscular men. Cleopatra. Some women have game. It’s just way more rare because men desire to be players more than women do. Women are too scared and goodie 2 shoes. Women want to be wonderful whereas more men will snoop to questionable and evil methods. I want to get down and dirty and I’m willing to even get a little evil if it gets me success.
/r/seduction02/12/24 07:23 AM
1

I think this is a big problem. Idk how to gauge a man’s self esteem
/r/seduction02/12/24 02:35 AM
1

I’m just only attracting shallow attention. It’s my fault for having no game.
/r/seduction02/12/24 02:30 AM
2

I just have no game. I am struggling for dates; i think my personality is a little boring on dating apps and i don’t go out enough to consistently meet men.
/r/seduction02/12/24 02:26 AM
1

It’s more like… they project their insecurities and don’t know any better. It’s equivalent to how men ask women for dating advice and women say things like “be yourself”. We’re incompetent when we don’t know any better.
/r/seduction02/12/24 02:25 AM
1

Well, then I need even more tips to be a player.
/r/seduction02/12/24 02:04 AM
1

What is the script?
/r/seduction01/12/24 11:15 PM
1

Im average in looks. I am losing weight but its an insignificant difference. I’m already healthy. Ie 22 bmi to 20 bmi. So like 10 lbs. I get lots of attention. I have a fun and sweet auras most guys call me sweet and bubbly. It just never transfers into anything. But i think someone else found my problem, i lack vulnerability and men don’t feel comfortable or excited around me. I’m logical and kinda boring. Women like femininity and emotions in women. It’s the polarity. They don’t like masculine…
/r/seduction30/11/24 05:37 PM
1

It’s not my looks. I’m average. It’s my personality.
/r/seduction29/11/24 11:56 PM
1

I want men to participate of course. I think some of the greatest seducers historically have been men. Men are more likely to be geniuses. There’s so much value in the male perspective and experience. I love reading and getting inspiration from PUA. My issue is the projection of insecurities which we women deal with too - so i find myself accidentally getting defensive and angry. I try to give grace & I know we all have different issues. I know we often do the men are starving, women have low qu…
/r/seduction29/11/24 11:53 PM
1

I agree! Thank you. It’s not just women’s advice. A lot of men come in here and project their insecurities and I’m guilty of this too. Men are not horny monoliths who jump on the opportunity to fuck any woman. Seduction is complex for both genders. Thanks. My situation isn’t special. Women are struggling just as much as men. I think 1. I’m removed from easy social interactions (college, etc). 2. I was in a relationship and then spent time working on myself. 3. I’m just a chronic nerd. I have int…
/r/seduction29/11/24 11:45 PM
1

I never had high standards or expectations for meeting. I’ve just historically been in places filled with men easy to interact in. High school, college, going to clubs/events, & being in relationships. Dating as an adult leaves you without the social privileges of being in a certain places. I just hoped the seduction community would be more open minded. I added it to my book queue. Thanks for the recommendation.
/r/seduction29/11/24 11:39 PM
2

I have no expectations. I am not even asking for a LTR. My bio was meant to be teasing and fun in the beginning. I did take out the “no penpal” but i put that because guys were farming my number and I finally decided i would only give my number to men who had intentions to meet/I’ve met. I am not pressuring anyone into a LTR. My only barriers to entry are be 5’5 or taller, don’t be obese, be hygienic, have financial stability, and want to meet in person. Sometimes I’ve met guys in person but whe…
/r/seduction28/11/24 04:43 PM
1

I am literally telling you i already do everything you said i need to do. I’ve had 3 men take me on dates this year. 2/3 were from dating apps. Only 1 was from me real life approaching people. I regularly go out of my way to ask men out. All you’re telling me to do is stop doing what’s working for me 66% of the time and focus only on something working for me 33% of the time. I need actionable tips on how to be better at talking and flirting with men and learning how to read them better so i can …
/r/seduction28/11/24 07:21 AM
1

I won’t be unhappy if i never date/have sex again. I’d prefer the company of a good man, but my happiness doesn’t depend on a relationship. 🙂 I will keep asking men out. But you’re not telling me anything i wasn’t already doing. Contrary to popular belief, there aren’t just loads of men at bookstores or sexy fun men at clubs to talk to. Especially these days where lots of guys go to the club in small boy groups. Sometimes i even end up talking to groups of men just to break the ice. Plus, clubs/…
/r/seduction28/11/24 05:50 AM
1

You’re literally telling me to keep doing what isn’t working…. I AM asking men out and regularly getting rejected. Even today. Yes, it’s mostly on dating apps because I don’t meet men everyday. If I meet good seeming men, I will ask them out and if I get rejected who cares. I just am not successful. So I’m trying to learn.
/r/seduction28/11/24 04:56 AM
1

One of the most reasonable advice and answers. Men aren’t a monolith but I do need to practice getting better at reading how masculine and confident they are! I think this is part of what was missing for me, thank you!
/r/seduction27/11/24 04:39 PM
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I haven’t had sex in over a year. Since with my ex boyfriend. If i cannot even get a date, what makes you think im getting sex? lol
/r/seduction27/11/24 02:17 PM
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I think what you’re failing to see here is I’m average looking. So even if i ask guys out, most will be flattered but they will reject me. You’re applying this advice in the manner of “woman I’m attracted to and wish would come into me”. Then the ones who are attracted to me will flake because they’re probably thinking “why is she so desperate to ask me out on a date”? I’m not against rejection, I’ve received a lot of it and i have tried it this way. I’d just like to learn alternative routes as …
/r/seduction27/11/24 02:16 PM
2

I think it is different but there’s a lot of overlap! Thanks, i will ignore them. I’m gonna go for everything i want. Idc what they say from their insecurities
/r/seduction27/11/24 02:13 PM
3

I miss when online dating didn’t suck. Yeah, having that easy to talk to connection is nice. I’m trying to work on being better at it. It’s a lot of work after being hurt. I might be trying too hard. I’m trying to learn how to relax.
/r/seduction27/11/24 02:00 PM
3

I love this. I’ll definitely consider and do more research into what it takes lol
/r/seduction27/11/24 01:48 PM
3

Thanks. I know you’re kinda right. I just hoped this subreddit would be more open minded. It’s very weird. There are some good guys sprinkled in here who know what they’re doing or are actively learning, so I guess my hopes were to hear from those types!
/r/seduction27/11/24 01:47 PM
1

I’ve done this. It hasn’t worked.
/r/seduction27/11/24 01:06 PM
1

I’m average looking for sure. I do need to meet men more irl, I think the dating apps just have the worst men on there. I know that’s on me but most of my hobbies rn aside from golf are solo hobbies. It’s like I may get a date if I talk to like 500 men on online dating, but just like what everyone says - i match with like 8/10 guys and get flooded with DMs and attention. Irl i usually get guys buying me drinks, last time i went dancing lots of guys asked me to dance and guys were stopping me say…
/r/seduction27/11/24 01:04 PM
2

Thanks. I just tried match and i don’t like it so maybe I’ll try eharmony next. 🙂 I don’t like all the swiping. I do want to plan on meeting guys more irl. I feel like i have to talk to 500 guys on the apps just to get a date.
/r/seduction27/11/24 04:00 AM
2

I am not even getting first dates and i have been single for 2 years. I don’t have this leeway.
/r/seduction27/11/24 03:53 AM
2

Because i just feel like it’s worth mentioning. I have had an ex resent me for doing better than him and frankly i don’t want to deal with it again. I’m not even getting dates so i can not right now care about it. I will be able to filter once im actually attracting men.
/r/seduction27/11/24 03:51 AM
2

The beginning, it’s a little joke. The no pen pal is to weed out men who for some reason want to text “hru beautiful” and nothing else for 1 month. I did take it out tho and just decided I’m not going to give out my number to anyone until we are planning to meet. But even doing that I’ve literally had to delete 2 guys who weren’t serious about meeting just today after literally only texting them because they said we would meet. All my interests and etc are on my profile. And yes - i haven’t been…
/r/seduction27/11/24 02:53 AM
5

most men don’t. so thanks, i guess.
/r/seduction27/11/24 02:44 AM
2

I have approached men and everything. The problem is, the guy never responds like that. I’m not against giving intimacy to the right guy. I am not even getting dates. 0 dates.
/r/seduction27/11/24 02:43 AM
2

I mean. Not all women are like that. I can personally say I split and paid for lots of things in one of my relationships, and helped him with his credit score and finances immensely. I got nothing for my hard work. Instead he started to resent me and felt emasculated because i was younger than him and a woman who was doing better than him in life. A lot of men think what they think they want will work well in the dating market, but just like women often can’t tell men how to date - watch what pe…
/r/seduction27/11/24 02:41 AM
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Im like average to above average in everything - looks, intelligence, emotional intelligence, spiritual arts, social arts (i think this is just EQ) but idk lol. I do believe online dating attracts the worst men. I plan on getting out more. I’ve taken those crappy online IQ tests for fun and iirc i usually get ~130-150 but they’re probably super inaccurate because i googled the chart and that’s pretty high 😅
/r/seduction26/11/24 10:48 PM
2

I just want to meet lots of men. Have abundance. I’d love to go on more dates. I’m an average looking girl facially and body wise I stay in good shape and am trying to lose weight. I don’t even have any men taking me on dates, so there’s nobody to even consider for a relationship lol
/r/seduction26/11/24 09:28 PM
3

Well it’s just dates, my standards for sex or a relationship are higher. But I’ve read books where they said be open minded and just kind to everyone. So I’m trying that approach. Because i can definitely see the good in everyone and enjoy the flirting practice since obviously i need a lot of practice.
/r/seduction26/11/24 09:25 PM
22

She probably is just liking your messages to be kind. I do this to my friends lol
/r/seduction26/11/24 08:15 PM
5

I cook, i clean, im 22 bmi (and trying to lose weight to be at 21 bmi). Edit: this is my bio on OLD “romantic 💘 let’s hit the golf range, talk over a sexy candlelight dinner, & solve life’s mysteries. looking for someone with a similar zest for adventure 😉 i love cooking, cleaning, and massaging my man. maybe even tell the truth. who can keep up? let’s be spontaneous & go on a date, no pen pal”
/r/seduction26/11/24 07:30 PM
4

Then explain why i and many other women are struggling…
/r/seduction26/11/24 07:11 PM
1

Right… but idk how to not be myself. I’m naturally a very bubbly and excited girl. so i probably need more advice! what do girls that you really like do that you usually notice? especially more subtle things. if you have any good conversation examples I’d love to see them too, if you don’t mind?
/r/seduction26/11/24 06:59 PM
3

Im too straightforward. Men like more subtle women. I’m trying to learn how to. Most dating advice for women is “wait, don’t chase” and “be hot, focus on yourself”. I am doing this. So when i do go out i get lots of shallow attention, on dating apps shallow conversations, but i haven’t been on a date in months. Guys are even like saying they want to go on dates then i express interest or even take initiative to plan and they ghost. I know im capable of deeper because I’ve had good relationships …
/r/seduction26/11/24 06:46 PM
5

Men do NOT appreciate direct messages. I think my BIGGEST problem is that i am too direct/boring/straightforward and kinda dominant for most men. I’m trying to learn how to be more soft and subtle because i notice this is what men like and respond to the most. I guess i can appreciate my odds are 1/10 irl. That’s about what average male odds are too. It feels like 1/500 on dating apps. 🤣 I just have to weed through all the fake attention and compliments.
/r/seduction26/11/24 06:33 PM
1

The only time men seem to go through with the date is if they plan it first for some reason. The only time they accept my plans is when we’ve been on a date before or have hung out 1 on 1 a few times already. Usually im pretty straightforward “do you want to go on a date?” Or “I’m doing xyz, you should come along”, or I’ve even tried just saying I’m doing something and seeing if they’ll invite themselves. I’ve had this happen with guys who showed initial interest in me first, who I’ve come onto …
/r/seduction26/11/24 06:24 PM
0

Because that doesn’t work neither.
/r/seduction26/11/24 06:18 PM
4

Yes. I get thousands of likes, hundreds of matches. Hundreds of compliments. “Hi” & “you’re so beautiful” then i have to carry the conversation and go back and forth with guys i even feel mediocre about (who are not even attractive, make less money than me, and i have to carry the entire conversation). I lower my standards a lot just to get some experience. All they do is compliment me every day like bots.
/r/seduction26/11/24 05:53 PM
0

I am dominant so working on softening up. I am very friendly and flirty with most guys and even try to be more forward once we’ve exchanged at least 2-3 conversations. Attention is plentiful but none of it is translating to anything. I can get 100 men dating “hi” and “ur so beautiful” but often fizzles out/no dates. I am trying to be more active with meeting men in person because the numbers game is not worth it. I try to talk to 100 men who are not even attractive, make less money than me, and …
/r/seduction26/11/24 05:51 PM
3

Yes. Attention is plentiful but none of it is translating to anything. I can get 100 men on apps “hi” and “ur so beautiful” but often fizzles out/no dates. I am trying to be more active with meeting men in person because the numbers game is not worth it. I try to talk to 100 men who are not even attractive, make less money than me, and i have to carry the entire conversation. All they do is compliment me every day like bots.
/r/seduction26/11/24 05:49 PM
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I am a woman lol. The responses are rarely ever good. It seems, like women, - men don’t often understand what they’re actually attracted to and chase. They’re so focused on specific things. Yes, men will drool over boobs. But a lot will also think boobs are sleazy and just for temporary attention. The women you are talking about probably easily get men to get them whatever they want. I’m on the side of the spectrum where there are no men for me to compromise with. I rarely have men to even talk …
/r/seduction26/11/24 04:37 PM
3

But most men don’t care. I want to date men. Exceptions like you are rare. But i seem to only attract temporary attention and i want outside expertise from people on how to get to the next step.
/r/seduction26/11/24 04:08 PM
1

I am currently reading a book on how to be better at small talk. Everything else is fine - i am fit (22 bmi) and trying to lose more weight to get to 19-20 bmi. I put effort into my appearance and I do have my niche that i love. I have hobbies. I am independent and stable (i know men do not care about this but it’s worth mentioning). I know my soft skills are the biggest issue here but everyone seems to just say “women don’t need seduction”. Clearly i need it because men are not escalating with …
/r/seduction26/11/24 03:44 PM
0

You’re literally doing what I said doesn’t work in my post… Clearly, I show up. I smile at lots of men. I look presentable. I am average in looks but even my married coworkers (male) have told me “you’re beautiful, intelligent, have a perfect bubbly personality”. Guys are not asking me out. They will buy me drinks at the bars. They will greet me in passing. I will even linger after interacting with men a little to see if they will take initiative, they often do not. When I’ve been direct in the …
/r/seduction26/11/24 03:40 PM
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If she wasn’t smiling at you or checking you out, maybe she just thought you were weird.
/r/seduction25/11/24 02:38 AM
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I want to charm men. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with learning this skill set. Men love to buy me drinks in the club, buy bottle service, and give me lots of attention or follow me on social media. Idk. I guess my personality needs work.
/r/seduction24/11/24 01:21 AM
1

Learn by doing. You seem to get dates which means you have the looks and immediate appeal down. You need to work on the next step. Why are you struggling to set boundaries with men who are not your boyfriend?
/r/seduction23/11/24 11:47 PM
1

Wym? I’m here because i want to learn to seduce men.
/r/seduction23/11/24 09:15 PM
-4

Women deserve to seduce men too. Weird take.
/r/seduction23/11/24 07:23 PM
8

Men don’t like serious women, have fun You’re too clingy & needy, men hate that You seem to have no game. Work on that.
/r/seduction23/11/24 07:22 PM
1

Any man that hits on me, i assume he’s attracted to me. Idk about other women. Most of us average girls get hit on pretty often, every time we go out. I can’t imagine how it must be for more beautiful women. Men never compliment our style or other things about us, so it stands out when y’all do.
/r/seduction21/11/24 10:57 PM
3

Looks makes you seem like every other guy. Every guy calls us pretty/gorgeous/beautiful/sexy. If you want to be like everyone else or just passively compliment, that’s fine.
/r/seduction21/11/24 10:34 PM
1

Men are the same way. Everyone is like this. It’s easy.
/r/seduction21/11/24 12:36 PM
3

Healthy women can tell. Unhealthy and/or insecure women cannot. So women who say “we can tell” usually come from good homes or have done the work to become very secure with themselves. Creeps usually know which women are easy victims. ie some older men will say “go after young girls with messed up teeth because their parents may not have cared enough about them to get them braces” or something of that nature.
/r/seduction19/11/24 09:09 PM
0

nothing. Be attractive. Don’t be unattractive. Know what you want. Know what you bring to the table.
/r/seduction17/11/24 04:48 PM
4

Even average girls like me get almost every guy we swipe right on. And most guys say the same things, it’s easy for everyone to want to give up.
/r/seduction17/11/24 04:15 AM
2

I’ll read the book and DM you. Idk any women I want to be like/mimic, your wife sounds like an excellent role model.
/r/seduction16/11/24 09:29 PM
2

No. We’re not attracted to you. We see you as safer. It’s instant comfort because when other women trust you, we see you as trustworthy and not a threat/enemy.
/r/seduction16/11/24 08:38 PM
2

Just talk to the friend too. If you want the girl, avoid being selfish, low effort, and one track minded. It’s a turn off.
/r/seduction16/11/24 08:37 PM
2

So wouldn’t hobbies and hanging with his friends accomplish those same feelings? I admire guys who are living their lives without needing external validation
/r/seduction16/11/24 04:01 AM
1

what is the natural instinct? Don’t get me wrong - women feel SAFER when they know other women trust you. So you have social proof, i have 100% seen this in action and have been a wing for guys in this capacity. But i think only girls who want to be like side chicks care about it or if they already really like the guy they might get a little jealous. so if that’s the quality of girls you like, or if you’re just looking to bang a side chick or something i see no issue. But I’ve never heard a stor…
/r/seduction16/11/24 03:52 AM
1

ok. maybe im just not hot enough for guys to use this tactic on me. I’ve never experienced it so i dont know. I’ve never seen it outside of Reddit and PUA material.
/r/seduction16/11/24 03:32 AM
1

It’s gonna be ok. I also struggle with wanting to talk to men if you wanna hear what’s it’s like on the flip side as an average woman! I don’t really want to talk to men at all. It’s so exhausting and boring 99% of the time and I also have little game. Hopefully a small break can refresh us.
/r/seduction16/11/24 03:20 AM
1

what if she doesn’t follow him on social media? i know i don’t follow the only guy ive ever had a crush on and i wasn’t jealous of him cuz he was around other girls. i liked him because of who he was and the fact that he expressed extreme interest in me. in fact, none of the guys who i think are cute that i watch on social media post girls, they usually post their hobbies and stuff. i think this will only work if he’s expressed extreme interest and built rapport.
/r/seduction16/11/24 02:40 AM
10

if you don’t want marriage and kids, just find a woman who doesn’t want that. then you can have love without the pressure.
/r/seduction16/11/24 02:35 AM
1

I think most men like it though. Lots of men have agreed that I may be overly available/coming off as too easy. That’s probably why most women act that way, I just happen to be a bit nerdy. i want the guy that’ll chase me so i want to learn how to play that game.
/r/seduction16/11/24 01:52 AM
1

yes.
/r/seduction16/11/24 01:21 AM
1

He wasn’t my lover. We didn’t have sex. I think you’re onto something. I probably am coming on too strong and need to do more pulling and relax instead of hunting like men hunt. I will try that with all the new men I meet. Edit: i also think certain things are what men want. Ie 1 reason i suspect the guy didn’t want me was because i was clingy/neediness because i was insecure (i asked for feedback but he just ghosted me) i think men want women who are independent and won’t be too clingy in the s…
/r/seduction15/11/24 10:46 PM
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Men do the same thing. Lots of men pine after and think about girls that were nice to them that rejected them, girls that didn’t have sex with them that they “romanced”, a lot of guys get into pick up because their girl left them or their crush rejected them. I didn’t like him cuz he rejected me, i liked him because he was kind to me, assertive, fun to be around, attractive, smart, ambitious, future faked me, talked about marriage and our life together and all the things we would do together and…
/r/seduction15/11/24 06:54 PM
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after this happened to me i was extremely confused and disappointed so i deep dived into pick up artist culture and decided to learn game. I’ve never had a guy that build me up like that, had that much fun, nor been into a guy that rejected me before.
/r/seduction15/11/24 06:32 PM
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He didn’t want me. I was insecure.
/r/seduction15/11/24 05:20 PM
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The build up. The hottest guy I’ve ever wanted that i still think about just did crazy mental foreplay. I literally was begging this guy to have sex with me. I would’ve done anything for it. Make her feel hot, confident, special, be fun - most guys are NOT fun!!! Be comfortable with yourself and make her extremely comfortable so she can be a slut for you. A lot of men are very boring and just going through the motions and doing what they have to do to get sex/a relationship. Sex is just boring a…
/r/seduction15/11/24 04:29 PM
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I just think you don’t prefer it. Maybe in theory it’s nice but it’s probably not what you go after. i think most humans are just into push/pull. It’s why most women say when they ask out men it rarely works even if the guy is not that attractive, because men do not usually like being put in feminine positions. The ones that are successful are the exceptions; not the rule.
/r/seduction14/11/24 12:00 AM
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Been here. Just lurked. Got played by a guy and realized I had no game. He kinda hinted at learning game. Now I want to be the player.
/r/seduction13/11/24 04:59 PM
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You’re right. I’ve been told by a guy one time also if i give out my number too easily it means i have no game. I will be more assertive.
/r/seduction13/11/24 01:04 PM
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I don’t struggle with conversations. It’s like they all only want to talk to me, look at me virtually (ask for pics), and compliment me. I usually send selfies only or jokingly send random pics when they ask for pics. But I’m wondering if there’s a way to make it easier for them to vet me or whatever they’re attempting to do. I flirt and I’m usually pretty sweet. I hint at dates or sometimes have straight up just said i want to meet. But i get flooded with “good morning beautiful”, and small tal…
/r/seduction13/11/24 12:33 PM
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I’ll send in chat. But i am just average looking. I do try to be more sexy when going out. I get flooded with attention, number collectors, and compliments every time i go out. Just not transferring to dates
/r/seduction13/11/24 12:24 PM
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As i said, literally in the title - im average. I just get a lot of attention everywhere i go. I am flooded with attention, number collectors, and compliments. Just can’t seem to get dates.
/r/seduction13/11/24 12:22 PM
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I don’t have a type. I try to talk to most men as long as they’re hygienic and not fat, because you never know how cool someone could be. I do agree most men are probably just looking for validation by getting my number. So today I read in a book that I should ensure they have intentions before i give out my number. So now i am practicing teasing that I’ll only give out my number if he’s gonna ask me on a date or under certain conditions. But still would prefer more push and pull
/r/seduction13/11/24 01:51 AM
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I don’t understand?
/r/seduction12/11/24 10:08 PM
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I ignore it and don’t care but I’d love to meet up with more men since it will allow me to learn more about men and figure out more of what i like and don’t like. So i am just looking for tips and fun advice.
/r/seduction12/11/24 09:50 PM
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There are too few men who appreciate women like me. I am open to finding him eventually but in the meantime I’d like to understand and learn how to seduce men for my own enjoyment, since that is the purpose of this subreddit.
/r/seduction12/11/24 09:48 PM
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I am nervous and tense. Sometimes it’s not fun to be around men. I’m learning my boundaries and to stand firm in what I want and don’t want. I think exposure therapy by constantly meeting men will help me to not see men as threats. I only like kind men but some men will pretend to be nice so i am still learning wisdom & discernment. But i feel like some women just inspire confidence and comfort in men and i need tips on that.
/r/seduction12/11/24 09:35 PM
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You’re absolutely right. But what I’ve recognized is I’ve learned so much from the seduction subreddits and when you understand the dynamics of the opposite gender sometimes you gain a better understanding of what you are attracted to or you’ve seen people of your gender be attracted to. Or know small details only people who are invested in learning this stuff can understand. I was very much so a “be yourself” and “be kind to women” type! Then i was played and realized maybe i didn’t understand …
/r/seduction12/11/24 09:00 PM
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Men don’t like it when I ask them out or if I’m too straightforward about desiring a date. They end up flaking, or just being weird. Men like me more when i let them lead. I am trying to unlearn being masculine. I think especially as a black woman i will be seen as an aggressor. When i am laid back men treat me better. But i am having trouble being subtle enough with my intentions and interest. I think men would like more push/pull and passive behavior but i kinda was hoping for advice
/r/seduction12/11/24 08:42 PM
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The title says “average girl”, men tell me i am beautiful/sexy/hot etc but i see myself as above average at best because men will compliment a whale with lipstick. so i know it’s often just lip service. I think what’s super hot about me is my energy/presence. I get lots of compliments on my bubbly personality and i get told i have a great presence and good energy. I think the biggest thing is i am independent, kinda nerdy, and too straightforward. This may come across as boring and/or masculine …
/r/seduction12/11/24 07:33 PM
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????? Im asking for personality advice. I’m in my 20s.
/r/seduction12/11/24 07:02 PM
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Just an average girl 😉
/r/seduction12/11/24 06:40 PM
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I have no strong preferences on personality. But if he’s so passive he will not even attend a date or talk to me, then yes. We are fundamentally incompatible because we cannot even get to know each other. I don’t meet many men that match my fiery bubbly passionate personality, the one time i did it was amazing but he didn’t like me and ghosted me without any feedback. I am friendly and I have been upping the seductive tactics so more men are biting. I just desire consistent results and abundance…
/r/seduction12/11/24 06:34 PM
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I said lots of men compliment me but men could compliment a plastic bag with lipstick so it’s not a big achievement. I believe I’m a 6-7 so above average not the hottest thing walking. I work out a lot and keep my body sexy but i could put more effort into fashion, hair, makeup. I wear heels regularly, and decent fashion. The guy in my OP i met him at the grocery store and he flaked on me even with my attempt at a low effort date. I’m not saying i never get dates. I just want more consistent res…
/r/seduction12/11/24 06:24 PM
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Thanks. I do know what I want now. That was my biggest problem. I did not understand why more men did not like feminism because now we can split the bills and they don’t have to do all the trad things I thought men hated. Now I know better, and I am trying to have the courage to go after it. I no longer want a 50/50 guy. I feel like I’ve had to change so much to be more feminine, hot, sexy and be what men want. I have had to put my ego and pride to the side and learn to have balance with only be…
/r/seduction12/11/24 06:15 PM
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I think that’s the primary reason men don’t like me actually! My personality is too straightforward so i think i and a few posters know that’s the core issue. I just need tips to make men more comfortable and confident. I ask them on dates and they get insecure or weird. (The guy in my OP example he kept calling me and planning dates and lots of other stuff before he flaked. I finally suggested he meet me for a low stakes free yoga date or go for a walk and he agreed just to flake again!) And th…
/r/seduction12/11/24 05:44 PM
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Im not that hot. A 6-7 at best. My energy and presence are probably pretty hot. I am self assured and love people so i am quick to smile, laugh, enjoy myself, and i am passionate. My personality is too straightforward so i think i and a few posters know that’s the core issue. I come off as maybe needy or masculine when men naturally/biologically prefer more mystery/passivity from women. I am having a hard time changing this, especially as in my career i get a lot of praise for being a go getter.…
/r/seduction12/11/24 05:40 PM
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I don’t feel giddy excitement about uncertainty. I feel anxious and uncomfortable and I get needy and angry. I am also insecure and do not want to sign up for anything i am not ready for. I have also learned my lesson that i cannot tell men that i am insecure because they will emotionally take advantage of me. So i need to date casually to properly challenge myself in this regard. Idk any Asian women tbh but i am trying to make new friends! I am also looking for mentorship from quality women who…
/r/seduction12/11/24 05:33 PM
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My mom is straight forward so i accidentally learned it from her. I’ve been slowly unlearning my bad habits. When I try to be less direct.. i don’t know what I’m doing and feel uncomfortable and confused. Idk how to start, i question if they’re getting the point im hinting at. I get worried. And sometimes i get bored/overwhelmed and accidentally pull back too much. I have no balance. It scares me a little because i wonder if the guys will ever ask me out. But clearly what i am doing isn’t workin…
/r/seduction12/11/24 05:01 PM
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I know the issue is my directness and aggressive nature. I don’t know how to change, how to make men more comfortable and confident, and how to do push and pull. I’ve read books but a lot of women’s books say things like “just be yourself and men will come to you” which is true, i am pretty enough and keep my body sexy so lots of men do hit on me, express interest, etc. but they don’t like my straight forward personality and even tho I’ve read books on how to change, and i read this subreddit i …
/r/seduction12/11/24 04:48 PM
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The only feedback i got was from a guy i really liked telling me he didn’t know how to open up and share his emotions. I ignored it unintentionally because i told him i was insecure and not ready for a relationship until i was more emotionally stable then i became super needy with him and scared him off. But now that i have moved on, i think i am too straight forward and that is really boring for men. I think they prefer more mystery and push/pull. I don’t know how to adapt and hook them unfortu…
/r/seduction12/11/24 04:40 PM
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I may come off as a bit needy/too straight forward! I think the compliments may overwhelm men because they’re not used to that much attention. But if i try push/pull i end up accidentally just ghosting the guys because im not naturally good at it. I don’t know how to find balance and keep them hooked.
/r/seduction12/11/24 04:37 PM
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As i said in my post, i even asked them out on free dates (invited a guy to my yoga class at my gym), coffee dates, walks. i find men do not like it when i ask - i think it comes off as masculine and i read online men already think of black women as masculine and objects sometimes. So i am trying to stop and learn how to communicate so men can be happier and ask me on dates so they can feel manly and confident.
/r/seduction12/11/24 04:30 PM
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Most men are open to hookup or for casual, id be open to a relationship with the right guy. But it seems like they only want to chat about nothing and compliment me on how beautiful i am every day. I even ask to hangout for free (walk in the park, coffee date, exercise). Seems like men prefer gold diggers and girls who do push/pull but it’s not natural for me. I’ve been reading about flirting and trying to be more subtle & better at push/pull but it’s very hard and kind of against my nature/nurt…
/r/seduction12/11/24 04:27 PM
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My dating coach said i may be “too good to be true” and men may be having a difficult time seeing me as a human being because im a black woman. Another guy also said men outside my race may fetishize me. But i find the men that have been kindest to me are white and Hispanic men. I think i need to be more subtle and build comfort for men to feel comfortable and confident around me. I communicate very straight forward and i think men are more used to and like women who do more push/pull and play h…
/r/seduction12/11/24 04:20 PM
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This whole subreddit is dedicated to having casual relationships with women. I am only adapting to reality of what the world is.
/r/seduction12/11/24 04:16 PM
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It wasn’t real life. He was a virtual coach. He told me it might be because I’m a black woman and men don’t know how to register me as a person. I just showed him all my dating app messages. He even seemed confused by the reactions i was getting. My primary goals have been to get a first date. I’ve even had a first date with a guy months ago and he spent like $300 on the date and said it was the best date he’d ever been on and was having so much fun then the connection just fizzled (no sex, we d…
/r/seduction12/11/24 04:08 PM
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I don’t understand. Even if they are fetishizing me, shouldn’t they want to have sex with me? They don’t even ask me out to get the opportunity. Black guys are worst honestly. I give them opportunities to go on free dates and ask them on dates and they flake (ie the guy in the example). At least white and Hispanic men try.
/r/seduction12/11/24 04:05 PM
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It’s not even getting that far. We never have serious conversations so we never talk about body count. I get plenty of compliments on my smell. & I’m not asking for a relationship so body count shouldn’t matter (it’s not that high any ways). I’d even be open to a casual relationship. But it seems like guys just want to talk to me and look at me. They buy me small things (like drinks or food) I’ve even had guys send me money or give me money (at the airport this guy met me and immediately gave me…
/r/seduction12/11/24 04:04 PM
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What do you mean? I am here to learn how to seduce men, so what am i not accepting?
/r/seduction12/11/24 01:05 PM
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Thank you! I’ve spent a lot of time on this subreddit, I watch, and read a lot of game theory/tactics, materials. I really admire the hustle and dedication to create a better life for ourselves.
/r/seduction01/11/24 12:03 PM
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wym
/r/seduction01/11/24 12:02 PM
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Im asking in good faith too because as a woman the main reason women learn seduction tactics is typically for money, as you just confirmed A woman acts interested in him for his money. She uses her body and is “seductive” to get him. I’m saying the vice versa from a woman’s perspective is that some women feel used, manipulated, and “seduced” into doing sexual things for men. Because it’s the closest and most common complaint by both genders. “Oh he’s just using me for my body looks” “She’s just …
/r/seduction01/11/24 12:00 PM
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I am moving on that’s why I’m here learning how to seduce men. How does a man get used?
/r/seduction31/10/24 09:35 PM
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I’ve been emotionally played, even if it didn’t lead to a “pump and dump” i basically lost my mind in confusion because a player manipulated me. I can’t imagine the brainfuck of actually fucking a player/PUA/ manipulator type. So after that happened I rejected all men that hit on me because i was so scared of being manipulated again. So yes, it’s very hard for me to believe there aren’t men manipulating women to get what they desire and i don’t get how you can’t see the value exchange. Even in N…
/r/seduction31/10/24 09:01 PM
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I also added most men “praise and chase” hookup culture. If they’re not attractive enough for hooking up on Tinder, they are trying to learn techniques to overcome it - i think that’s equivalent to escorts/only fans/strippers learning techniques warming up men for money exchange sex. Hot people hook up with each other. You’re exchanging personality, seduction techniques, strategies, sometimes manipulation, and whatever other value you can provide in hopes for casual sex. And i don’t think that’s…
/r/seduction31/10/24 08:41 PM
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Wym?? I think most men benefit from, praise, and chase fwb/situationships/hook up culture. If I download tinder rn and put “dtf looking for ONS/FWB” 8/10 men will swipe right if the reverse happens unless the guy is like 7/10 in looks - how many girls will swipe right? Is that not basic economics?? If most men can’t say “dtf?” and get positive results, then there’s an element of suspended belief. Why do you think that is?
/r/seduction31/10/24 08:23 PM
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Then explain women getting upset over being led on, situationships, fuckboys, sleazy players, men lying or withholding information to get what they want? Yes, women have agency. But it’s no different than extorting men’s loneliness for money imo. A lot of it is kinda walking the line between finding empowered women who are confident and love sex or manipulating women who are insecure and I’d argue most men wouldn’t know the difference.
/r/seduction31/10/24 07:54 PM
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Literally the entire point of this subreddit is casual sex or relationships. A lot of men struggle with both. But a lot of men want to explore hook up culture and are looking for tactics to seduce and suspend belief women into sleeping with them without a relationship. Which is FINE. But how is that not similar to escorts suspending belief for money?
/r/seduction31/10/24 06:14 PM
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But i think the key word here is “hopefully” and about 60% of women probably don’t enjoy hookup culture (i do not mind it but i know women who genuinely have thought sex=otw to a/in a relationship). So a lot of seduction is trying to suspend belief a lot to get to the sex part for men. But for the 40% i think casual sex probably has a 50/50 ROI for women’s enjoyment which is why most men have to learn tactics or pay for it. And then of course there’s men who are going after relationships and i t…
/r/seduction31/10/24 05:57 PM
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Well, you haven’t verbalized what the difference is. They’re both value exchanges. Are they not? One prioritizes attraction and strategy. The other prioritizes money, attraction, and strategy.
/r/seduction31/10/24 04:46 PM
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😅 what region are you in?
/r/seduction31/10/24 03:35 PM
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USA - Southern. Idk. Just want a guy who matches me. And I have never had high standards tbh. Hopefully if I can learn how to seduce men, I can have higher standards.
/r/seduction31/10/24 03:29 PM
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Everyone knows everyone cater to hot people. Why not hit on less attractive women (4s and 5s), make sure they have stable jobs, be less toxic, and vet for more compatible personalities?
/r/seduction31/10/24 03:20 PM
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Its the stat I posted in the source referenced above… i know plenty of very successful women who have opted out of dating, do not want to get married, and deny all men that hit on them. I was even in that bandwagon after I was hurt by the guy that I thought was my friend. I thought I may never trust a man again and I wished I could just never date again because men are so horrible. Yeah, i did hear the stats of women killing babies is really bad. I think that’s one thing i will definitely agree …
/r/seduction31/10/24 03:11 PM
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Women who are escorts and only fans learn techniques to seduce men into buying their services as well. How is that not the same?
/r/seduction31/10/24 02:33 PM
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What’s the difference?
/r/seduction31/10/24 02:31 PM
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If 39% of women are opting out of dating completely. And 61.x% of men are looking for relationships where as 38.X% of women are looking for relationships in most respective age brackets. How is that not opting out??? And no, I’ve been ghosted more than once. This was just the one that hurt the most because he was a liar and a cheater but also the only guy that I’d ever felt truly acknowledged by outside of my looks. I can find plenty of sources of women who’ve been through horrible things too. B…
/r/seduction31/10/24 02:31 PM
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If you approach, aren’t you picking? I don’t understand. How are you not picking by approaching?
/r/seduction31/10/24 02:26 PM
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Based on our interactions I’m guessing you grew up in a higher socioeconomic class than me. You know lots of good men and people who’ve had good families. You know many educated people. You’re probably older than me, you know and have spoken to lots of divorced people. You have been hurt by women before - ghosted, used, taken advantage of, lied to, and probably hurt by her leaving. I want a man who is ambitious, decent looking, my age or slightly older, and kind. I would prefer a man that really…
/r/seduction31/10/24 02:24 PM
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You’ve linked no sources… you’re now speaking from anecdotal experiences which i respect because i did it too but you called out my doing it and i proceeded to link sources. those stats make sense because men seek relationships more than women do. Most women are opting out or used to the traditional way of men approaching so the 30% are women like me who are tired of men we don’t like approaching are taking initiative. I just meant I’m done being argumentative. I don’t mind civil discussions.
/r/seduction31/10/24 01:53 PM
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Idk. I can’t speak for privileged women. I do not come from a privileged place so I have not met these good men worth dating you speak of. Hopefully I will meet them as I learn how to flirt and seduce lots of men. Thanks for this.
/r/seduction31/10/24 01:40 PM
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Exactly my point. Both genders need to pick better. I am not relying on men to pick me anymore. Everyone should take accountability for their decisions.
/r/seduction31/10/24 01:22 PM
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Okay so your 90% stat is misleading. Yes 90% initiate divorce more but that’s in the small percentage compared to divorces of less educated women. And we notice that most women are leaving their husbands because of cheating or lack of communication: often even though they earn equal to or more than them, those men are not taking up more of the stereotypical “women” responsibilities to compensate for it - leaving these women feeling burnt out and as though there’s no reason to be with a partner. …
/r/seduction31/10/24 01:20 PM
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Physical: workout routine. start slow and small. go to the gym and do some exercises Mental: challenge yourself with learning new things career and personal wise Emotional: notice how you feel at all times, notice how you feel around others Social: constantly meet and greet new people Financial: get it together, learn where you are Spiritual: meditate or pray Confidence is practiced every day. One step at a time. Do small things. Get 1% better every day and by next year you will have more confid…
/r/seduction31/10/24 12:40 PM
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Both genders are bad at this. I wouldn’t put much thought into asking the opposite gender for constructive criticism because you’ll get a lot of “we don’t like this”, “be straightforward here”, “you’re so nice but…”, etc. Like some other comments said you need to start being extremely self aware. Understand every thing that you’re currently doing. Dissect that behavior. Learn what’s authentic and what you value. Get rid of everything else and start focusing on small tweaks/baby steps to get rid …
/r/seduction31/10/24 12:09 PM
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I’ve met escorts! Beautiful escorts that charge crazy amounts of money. I’m more of a mid looking girl so even though I do get some male attention I’m very independent (and have a good skill set/make good money) and I’m learning how to be more feminine and flirt with lots of men so I have a better competitive advantage in the dating market. I think escorts who make themselves beautiful for men and who’s entire work is to flirt with men well enough to get lots of money are an okay thing to study.
/r/seduction31/10/24 10:58 AM
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Why would I need to ask for assistance? I usually just try to gain perspective from a male’s POV in situations to learn what I should do, and flirt with lots of men. I just wanted to show another version of a very common analogy (comparing women getting bombarded by male attention to men getting hit on at gay clubs) to how it could be viewed from another perspective/analogy because I noticed a lot of men hate the gay bar analogy.
/r/seduction31/10/24 10:54 AM
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Okay but now we’re getting outside the realm of heterosexual relationships. You’ve brought up multiple times that men have money and reputation to lose - which is mostly projection since most people who get divorced are more typically poor, and tend to have only a HS education. So I brought up women have their lives and safety to lose. I’m not gonna say which is worse. Who cares. I’m saying both genders sacrifice in relationships. That’s it. That’s all. Both genders are opting out of dating. Sex…
/r/seduction31/10/24 10:52 AM
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Thank you so much! ❤️
/r/seduction31/10/24 10:43 AM
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Okay but hear me out, if everyone feels the way you feel - why are there techniques dedicated to getting sex from women? Why are men paying for sex, or only fans? Why aren’t we seeing the reverse?
/r/seduction31/10/24 10:43 AM
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No. I came here to learn how I can seduce men in away that aligns with me. I respect any one looking to accomplish their goals.
/r/seduction31/10/24 10:42 AM
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Compelling offer?
/r/seduction31/10/24 05:17 AM
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I mean i feel like you’re projecting a bit when it comes to the divorce stuff but idc. All i hear is “women should pick better” that’s literally why im here. If men wanted to marry women that didn’t take their money they’d go for less hot, more level headed, leveled emotionally, and independent women. Men don’t care about that. Men care about hotness, soft housemates, youth, breedable, and submissive personality. There are lots of single independent successful women, men don’t like and don’t wan…
/r/seduction31/10/24 04:56 AM
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Not really. Sex is a commodity. We all pay for our relationships with some sort of value.
/r/seduction31/10/24 02:29 AM
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I mean being a human is hard. Women also have to worry about rape, getting beat up, getting killed, men also can be gold diggers as more women become independent and men are becoming more as some say “hobosexual” I’ve seen relationships where men will live with and ask their less attractive female counterparts for money. And men are now getting alimony and money in divorces. Not on the same scale as men but it’s happening. Women don’t kill men as much as men kill women. Seems like you really car…
/r/seduction31/10/24 02:28 AM
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Ok so you relate. We’ve both been treated bad by the dating market. Men and women both have agency in who they choose to marry. And both can choose to opt out got whatever reason. Where is the problem?
/r/seduction30/10/24 11:14 PM
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Then why are you here if you’re giving up? I at least admire men on here for taking initiative even if I don’t agree with everything being done. I didn’t let bad experiences with men (because i have had many, not to mention countless stories of horrible men from women all over the world and publicized. i only referenced the one because it hurt and i thought we had something special close to a LTR) ruin my perspective. I’ve decided to step up and seduce men. How else can i find men who are “invis…
/r/seduction30/10/24 11:06 PM
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Well women are attracted to men. Men are not attracted to men so no matter how much other men hit on them they would never consider it an option. Vs sometimes when you hit on women we enjoy it! Sometimes men enjoy being hit on by escorts even if they don’t want to pay for the services because they’re attracted to women. And if an escort has really good game and is beautiful i think more men are more likely to take up her offer!
/r/seduction30/10/24 11:01 PM
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Have I told you that your anecdotal experiences are invalid? Have I invalidated men’s very real experiences with men using them for money or leaving with their money? This happens to all women which creates the narrative “men are pigs”. And you say “women are marrying/choosing these men”, i could flip the script and say “men are choosing women who leave them and take their money”. If anything women taking men’s money is even more reason why my analogy works. We inherently are suppose to want pro…
/r/seduction30/10/24 10:40 PM
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I actually upvoted you because I value your opinion! Some other people must’ve disliked your content. I don’t particularly care for my very valid experiences that many women go through being invalidated though, as I am not invalidating that men get used for money & divorce is horrible sometimes. However, if you’re not going to discuss in good faith, I will opt out.
/r/seduction30/10/24 10:23 PM
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Well we didn’t have sex but heavy making out/petting/toeing the line so I thought the situation was different but turns out he had a gf and he just butters up new women while he’s in a relationship before the exit. And he ghosted anyone he didn’t want. All I expected was a “i changed my mind and im not interested in you” text, instead i got ghosted. And that’s okay. I’m just saying any body could get fooled like that and it’s a real reason why a lot of women have their guard up. Just like I’d im…
/r/seduction30/10/24 10:20 PM
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Is that not what men do? Try and practice techniques and different methods to get sex? Go on dates for sex? Surround women and give them attention for sex? I don’t get it.
/r/seduction30/10/24 09:50 PM
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🤣 absolutely a banger
/r/seduction30/10/24 09:44 PM
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Thank you so much ❤️ Someone in the comments made a stripper analogy that I think aligns a little better and feels less sleazy. I hate to put it in terms like this but I was hoping it works for the logical crowd!
/r/seduction30/10/24 09:42 PM
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Sometimes in the moment I’m excited and just feeling flirty! And i completely understand your frustration, I’ve been ghosted by a guy who literally told me he wanted to marry me and future faked me. It’s hard and feels cowardly for sure but we all are trying our best!
/r/seduction30/10/24 09:41 PM
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I’m a woman. We do like sex but I think most women prefer it in LTRs/marriage. So men pushing for casual more and more often (and seeking it hard enough to have so many books and seminars and subreddits dedicated to the arts of seduction) probably feels equivalent to kinda being asked for money imo. Side note I kinda think this is probably also why more and more women are going into sex work/only fans because they’re giving up on the dating market and seeing sex as more of a trading asset.
/r/seduction30/10/24 09:39 PM
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Someone said a strip club which is a better analogy! I agreed because sometimes men invite their bros there to just hangout or for bachelor parties (ie girls who go to bars/clubs/networking events to hangout with their friends and not get hit on by guys) and sometimes when the stripper is really nice and has a great personality guys will like her or spend lots of money on her! (Equivalent to a girl ending up in a relationship or giving up casual sex)
/r/seduction30/10/24 09:34 PM
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You’re saying this to someone who has literally been played by a player before. Lots of men say all the right things, warm you up, express long term intentions, lie and future fake with you. I don’t think all men are sleazy but after this has happened to you 1 time it does make you think men are sleazy. Just look at all the men here in this subreddit who are only seeking casual interactions. I don’t think men who want casual nor gold diggers/escorts are bad people. You say “we can tell when an e…
/r/seduction30/10/24 09:31 PM
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I do this :/ ngl sometimes it’s because I was drunk, just flirting, he didn’t say anything about going on a date so i think he’s not serious, or I just didn’t like the guy that much!
/r/seduction30/10/24 09:20 PM
2

do men not demand sex?
/r/seduction30/10/24 09:10 PM
6

Personally, I’d think you were gay! But I’m only 1 woman.
/r/seduction30/10/24 08:17 PM
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sounds like something they might do but if you find a girl with war hammer figurines, i hope you wife her up 🤣 that’s a dedicated hobby.
/r/seduction30/10/24 07:43 PM
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Thank you kindly ❤️
/r/seduction30/10/24 07:42 PM
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I think the strip club analogy is better because it’s based in reality and even classy/hot/established men who wouldn’t pay for sex enjoy a lap dance and talking to strippers sometimes! But the escort analogy just easily came to my mind because of shock value. To some women, casual sex/ONS is equivalently disgusting/desperate as paying for sex as a man to some men.
/r/seduction30/10/24 07:04 PM
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Uhm. Uhh. Ermmmm. 😵‍💫
/r/seduction30/10/24 06:59 PM
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Sorry. What is the nice guy approach in this analogy? I don’t imagine an escort would pretend to be your friend for months before asking for money, but it can happen!
/r/seduction30/10/24 06:34 PM
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This is a horrifying reality to utilize as an analogy but yes your last questions are spot on and I think they matter for both genders depending on the situation at hand.
/r/seduction30/10/24 06:29 PM
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Thanks. I have been wondering how I can bridge the communication gaps in my mind as well. I love the stripper analogy even more because it speaks to reality. Even guys who don’t usually go to strip clubs but go in support of friends could end up warming up to the stripper and spending lots of money! I’d equate that to the reverse as girls who only hit up a bar to hangout with friends but don’t want to get hit on or have casual intercourse could end up warming up to the guy and open up to the pos…
/r/seduction30/10/24 06:27 PM
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If men didn’t want women to feign interest, I don’t think we’d have the gold digger trope. More women would be open to it but men seem to hate it. Men want seemingly genuine affection and I think many will trade resources for it if she looks right. Just like most women want relationships and some will say “ick casual sex/fwb/ONS is gross” but may trade sex to certain guys if he gives her genuine affection at the right time, the right way, and looks right. I’d equate fuckboys/players/PUA who can …
/r/seduction30/10/24 06:21 PM
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If 9/10 men would trade money for affection; I don’t think we’d have the gold digger trope nor incels. Men seemingly desire genuine affection, and for women to be attracted to them in some capacity other than money.
/r/seduction30/10/24 06:15 PM
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just practice :) idk why that person is so aggressive, saying hi and being friendly with women to warm up your confidence is absolutely acceptable so you won’t get burnt out by rejection as a newbie.
/r/seduction13/03/24 11:59 PM
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