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I'm not exactly disagreeing with you here, but we're often biased by our own contemporary vantage. The last part regarding female companionship reads more like a reflection of the last hundred years or so than the last 2000. It immediately reminded me of how people often misunderstand marriage historically (at least in Spain during the lifetime of Miguel de Cervantes). At that time, girls (poor, like the rest of us) would do odd jobs to save up money for a dowry so they might be more attractive …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/07/26 07:46 PM
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I agree that it becomes important to acknowledge the variety of insights -- and those insights can be useful -- but the conversation as a whole seems to be veering off into the inane. I wouldn't say it's really a "left/right" issue in the gender space, it seems to be the under current. That's what I meant by being unhappy about the red pill stuff. Redpill was a natural consequence of "rape culture" feminism and FDS is a natural consequence of the redpill. Edit: and if we're being fair "rape cult…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/07/26 03:05 PM
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Lol, yeah. It's amusing in a sad way. A long time ago I told a friend that I believed hunter gatherers were probably more intelligent than we are. He told me that was stupid. Look at all we've accomplished. Which reminds me of a meme showing Euler and Newton as Neanderthals and a god-like being hovering above them labeled "me knowing more than them combined." Yeah, we know a lot more about mathematics than Euler and Newton, but we pale in terms of their brilliance. That's all to say that we real…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/07/26 04:02 AM
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That's actually been a long standing belief that predates American feminism by at least 200 years. It's amazing to me that it's so foreign to so many people.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/07/26 03:54 AM
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Well at this time, India would have been included in that group. I would argue that that was probably unfair and I think most Indian men would agree, but it still carried that same stink. I'm all on board with helping women out in those areas, but -- and I'm sure you'd agree -- preventing men from helping in that effort in part by creating a senseless gender war and in part by keeping them out of higher education by-in-large, can only be unhelpful in the objective of ending oppression. Sure men …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/07/26 03:48 AM
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I remember a long time ago there was a post on an American feminist Facebook page that said something along the lines of "boys will be boys" the second "boys" was crossed out and replaced with "taught not to rape." This was around the time that rape culture rhetoric was ramping up. The interesting thing is that the watermark on the post indicated that it originally came from an Indian feminist site. At the time stories about the horrors in India were circulating and I pointed out that it was a l…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/07/26 03:20 AM
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So I wasn't exactly trying to put you on the spot -- at least it was less malicious than it might have seemed, but there really is a problem in healthcare with not listening to patients. More specifically I was addressing mental healthcare where being unhelpful seems almost effortful. Men are more accustomed to it (which you might be aware of in being here) and it is still prevalent in medical care. I know it's anecdotal, but it does call your perspective into question. What you described is pro…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 07:49 PM
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Isn't it funny how you can observe an inverse relationship between the amount of oppression a woman experienced and the outrage expressed toward that oppression - in general at least. Edit: To which i can only say that the solution to what bothers them appears to be greater oppression. Why aren't men doing more to oppress women?! /s
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 07:31 PM
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Then please bring this up to your colleagues. Its a genuine problem as Healthcare deteriorates.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 03:15 PM
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Have you considered this might be a "you" problem? My experience with psychology is that it often is the practitioner.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 02:46 PM
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That could be possible. Im wondering why people would have a mouth full of gold teeth and that be a good thing though. Like fighting and having teeth knocked out and replacing them with gold? I remember the grills, but I don't really know how they got started, just that they reached a level of ridiculousness and then seemed to disappear all of a sudden. Kind of like spinning and then floating rims. Edit: Although I guess Lil Wayne didn't give up on the grills it seems.
/r/MensRights15/07/26 10:52 PM
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I looked it up. Its actually kind of cool. It comes from hip-hop culture where "cap" means "top" (so baseball cap was actually the closest). It started out as "capping contests" which were like "yo mama" joke battles which then probably slid pretty easily into rap battle culture as a different kind of capping contest in their own right. Then in the 80s to 90s there was the concept of "high capping" which meant "fronting." Which is how "capping" became synonymous with exaggerating and now means, …
/r/MensRights15/07/26 10:41 PM
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Yeah, but what's the etymology?
/r/MensRights15/07/26 10:30 PM
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I get that "no cap" probably means something akin to "full stop." But where did it come from? Is it a baseball cap? Is it a market cap? Is it a capital letter? Is it a protest against capitalism? Oh and Hannah is probably right, but its why those truths are uncomfortable that interests me. Edit: Is it a protest against Capital Punishment? Edit: Is it a reference to the Capitol Building?
/r/MensRights15/07/26 10:15 PM
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I remember when I started getting into feminist theory and realizing "hey! This also applies to men. It must be that no one has ever realized that and feminists just need to be shown how this logical framework can better explain how women and men coexist. They just need a man who can understand it relay the concept." That didn't go over well. Which led me to a video by Karen Straughan and I thought "she sounds just like me. The antifeminists are the feminists?" Then I learned that men had been t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/26 08:51 PM
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Actually, one book I still think about a lot that will probably get a lot of hate here is "Masculinity and Civilization" by Gail Bederman. She's an unapologetic feminist, but her work is really thorough. Its actually kind of strange how she opens and closes her book with pretty standard feminist arguments for the time and that her research can be used to refute them. That kind discontinuity is what bothers me about Hooks and feminism in general, but Bederman is the first feminist I've seen who p…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/26 08:28 PM
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Tipping over into Men's Rights Advocacy from feminism is a mind fuck isn't it? I always liked the term "red pill" to describe that feeling. I'm less enthusiastic about where things went.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/26 02:56 PM
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Hooks argues that women aren't blameless in the construction of patriarchy. I think she would still agree that it is primarily the creation of men with women as coerced participants. As I was reading "Will to Change" I highlighted every use of the word "domination" or some form of it. She was a little obsessed. That, I would argue, is actually a larger part of her thesis. She acknowledged that women play a role, which is a step in the right direction, but she believed that women were acting out …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/26 02:17 PM
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I think the problem is that it does do quite a bit of placing blame on men. From one rhetorical stance, it doesn't, but in many others, it does. I wish people would actually acknowledge this, then we could start making progress. Hooks is as guilty of perpetuating what amounts to gaslighting in this regard as any other.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/26 01:05 PM
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Personally, I remain agnostic not having delved too deeply into her. In a sense, it was probably her mental health status that drove her to conduct the experiment in the first place and it becomes a chicken or egg issue (I chuckled a little at "egg"). I really don't know, but she was gracious and that's what I think was the most important part.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/26 04:32 AM
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I've heard good things too. There's a documentary? It's a shame she died. And yeah, I know she didn't just "die." Felt like being sensitive out of respect.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/26 04:24 AM
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I couldn't finish "Will to Change." The previous commenter is being pretty gracious to Hooks.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/26 04:21 AM
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Technically (I guess), it is "patriarchy," but "patriarchy" is such a shitty word. I don't know if you've seen commentary on the motte and baily fallacy with regards to gender, but that's essentially what's going on. When they say "patriarchy," they at least believe they're addressing what you're talking about. They also don't let men or boys frame or correct their framing, but, in a sense, they believe they're addressing the issue. There's a textbook worth of commentary on the problems that ari…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/26 04:18 AM
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*internalized misogyny /s
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/07/26 07:33 PM
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The middle is looking less like a middle and more like a chaotic smattering of confused people who recognize that not being a dickhead is the foremost pursuit.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/07/26 06:49 PM
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One thing people often don't address is that as the performance for boys in schools has decreased, the concentration of female teachers has increased. It's a cultural issue in education, but sure: boys dumb. I'd just like to add that it gets tiring being expected to cheer women on. "Girls are killing it in education!" Yeah and standards have taken a nosedive since they started "outperforming". I don't know if that's quite the picture of success: comparing one group to another that you've hamstru…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/06/26 05:38 PM
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"Body count" implies real humans sweaty.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/06/26 01:29 PM
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But women weren't allowed to own property until the 1970s! That's a historical fact! Source: my teachers in grade school. Oh what? History is really fucking complicated and can't actually be reduced to a sentence? Edit: To the comment, I was just being a sarcastic ass. This is actually really good work!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/06/26 05:52 PM
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After listening to an interview with Koss, I'm a little amazed she'd be influential, but thank you for the information!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/06/26 11:40 PM
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I mean, I have some feminist counter-arguments (devil's advocate lol), but I generally agree with you. Honestly, it's an area I would love to delve into, but there's scant historical research on the topic. Gender history lived a short life. Kind of sad because it would be pretty interesting for what you might be able to find: Why was a peasant girl suffering psychosis able to approach the dauphin of France and then lead his armies when a peasant boy would be hauled off to die on a ship of fools …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/06/26 11:38 PM
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I was being sarcastic. Their purpose is to keep Americans healthy. Making sure we have healthy relationships falls under that mandate. They don't seem to give a shit if men have healthy relationships and their inclusion of MTP seemed to be treated originally as an afterthought and now seems to be a begrudgingly acknowledgement - but they still kind of fudge the numbers so that the public facing stats are misleading. Also, it appears I was wrong about the FBI. They don't consider made to penetrat…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/06/26 10:14 PM
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"Now instances in which offenders use drugs or alcohol on victims who know them, or offenders who sodomize victims of the same gender will be counted as rape for statistical purposes." Yeah. It really does sound like the definition revolves around the act of penetration. Thanks for the update. I'll stop correcting people on this. And the world is a little dimmer.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/06/26 09:30 PM
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Thats what I thought when I read the definition too. It's really vaguely worded so you could interpret it either way. I read an article from an MRA when their guidance changed that apparently called the DOJ to ask for clarification and they told him that it included MTP. That's why I've never known. How do you know about the training manuals?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/06/26 07:50 PM
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Oh yeah. She's totally ambivalent to men's experiences. But I think most people are. I don't know for a fact that she had a lot of influence or she's just a public figure people like to hate. It's actually interesting reading feminists defend Koss saying that we wouldn't take male victims seriously if it wasn't for her. It's actually kind of interesting that the DOJ looked at it in 2013 and said "yeah, that isn't just" and the HHS looked at it and said "on a survey about abuse, we're going to sa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/06/26 07:28 PM
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I might be wrong, but it could go back to Koss's work. I don't know how much her work contributed to how things are now, but it certainly comes from her set of attitudes which are that men can't be raped because of x,y and z. And yeah, that's what I do too with the NISVS, but it's led me to some interesting confounding results. They might have changed the presentation of 2017 three times that I've counted and the information gets shuffled around. I could have done the math wrong the first time, …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/06/26 07:12 PM
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The FBI supposedly considers MTP and rape legally the same. The way their guidance is worded though, I'm skeptical. I don't know of any case precedent that would clarify how it's treated in practice. The CDC, though considers them two separate things which leads to confusion in the NISVS.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/06/26 01:51 PM
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I am utterly confused
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/26 02:42 AM
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I don't know too much about UK Temperance. I've heard about UK feminism and I do know that the US culturally at the turn of the century was somewhat anglophilic, so it would make sense that UK Temperance would have had a similar tenor - whoever borrowed what from whom. From what I understand, that bootstraps mentality we often attribute to Reagan era ideals and conservativism actually seems to come from that turn of the century zeitgeist. The Temperance Movement in the US was likely more a bypro…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/06/26 12:16 AM
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The temperance movement and early feminism had a lot of overlap. That's where these attitudes came from.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/06/26 07:22 PM
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Sounds like Gazi Kodzo was just men victimizing men. Typical patriarchy. I'm just fucking around. I feel like sarcasm is a good way to bring levity to serious situations. " Misandry and humanity's willful blindness to it is why the world will never change." Take heart my friend. History tells us that nothing will remain the same forever. Political science suggests that the way things are can't stay the way the are for much longer. I'm not always right immediately, but I'm usually right eventuall…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/06/26 04:32 AM
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"Gender norms shape identity" is something that most people here adamantly agree with. Where we deviate from feminists is how we interpret those agreements in a structural system. Feminists say "patriarchy" we (at least used to) say "gynocentrism." Now we say "misandry." Gynocentrism doesn't disagree with your claim at all. It's how we interpret the perceived societal value that really defines the two claims. I mean whatever we're calling this movement these days was born from feminism. We can a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/06/26 03:32 AM
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So you're kind of saying that a second wave feminist is vindicated because fourth wave feminists are wrong. Which means that fourth wave (reddit) feminists are wrong because someone that they misunderstand is right? Doesn't that kind of go into my up is down and left is right comparison?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/06/26 03:22 AM
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I guess my issue is with the idea that "feminists are right." Let's take the claim that women are more nurturing. A feminist will typically present this as evidence that they are devalued: Teachers get paid less than CEOs. All they are is breeding machines. Etc. Etc. I don't deny that I've observed that women believe that they are more nurturing. I do dispute the feminist claim that it's what makes them helpless. I assert that it conveys undue power on women as a class - especially on mothers. I…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/06/26 03:15 AM
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No I kind of got what you were saying, but at some point you have to recognize that what you're describing amounts to unfalsifiability. I'm actually dead serious about the sentence in quotations, but it won't convince anyone who disagrees with me because it's unfalsifiable.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/06/26 02:57 AM
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Hmm, patriarchy exists because it doesn't exist which means it must exist. How about "we can only make an argument for the existence of patriarchy in a world where patriarchy doesn't exist." I mean... if what isn't makes what is, then why not right?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/06/26 02:52 AM
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Yeah. In part. There's some cognitive dissonance going on too.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/06/26 09:48 PM
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Kind of agree with Stoper and Johnson at the end there.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/06/26 08:58 PM
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I think my niece has an AC/DC shirt. She doesn't listen to AC/DC. She was probably wearing it as a fashion statement and didn't know who the band was.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/06/26 01:56 PM
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Au contraire! Cuddling women is great! I don't think I've ever watched Ana Psychology and I never intend to. I understand a blacksmith being named Smith and a woodworker being named Carpenter, but pretending your last name is a field of study... In summation, the only real rape culture that's been going on since the mid 2010s is the defilement of the word "misogyny."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/06/26 10:38 PM
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Do you have evidence that lower testosterone is environmental? I'm not arguing with you, I just want to follow it up. I was under the impression that reduced testosterone was due to prostate cancer treatment and the rise in prostate cancer. Interestingly, the opposite of this study is the accepted treatment for prostate cancer.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/06/26 11:21 PM
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I'd say it has more to do with a declining education system. Feminism's popularity comes from not being able to distinguish women's rights from female chauvinism. Chauvinism itself is a simplistic understanding of the world and people don't understand basic civics these days - that's the root of illiberalism. It's mostly poorly educated people whipping each other into a frenzy which means that there's less social resources for making education better. It's been that process for a while. It's als…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/26 07:04 PM
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I'm always a little curious about how many men are actually dropping out of society and how many women are truly "killing it." I mean people have to work to live. A lot of it feels like a weird interaction between feminist propaganda and men's activist propaganda: "look how special we are" vs "you'll regret it when we're gone." Women are mostly drones like the rest of us, men are still drones and, yeah, dating is a little better than cutting your dick off.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/26 05:32 PM
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I wasn't exactly trying to say "touch grass." I definitely can see why you'd think I was. Sometimes I feel words are wasted on this site so I often like to keep it brief unless I have something to say that needs some exposition. I stand by this site being like being in an abusive relationship, but I'd have to explain that a bit. I also agree with you that what's online is a reflection of what's in society. It's maybe a more honest reflection of what's out there. The idea that getting off the int…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 07:34 PM
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Being on reddit is like being in an abusive relationship with millions of random strangers... and I don't know why I'm here.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 07:35 PM
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You realize repellant is different than disgust? The fact that an ideology sours on people because of its adherents doesn't mean that they are disgusted. Similar language, sure. Different psychological function.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/05/26 02:31 PM
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So I knew about toxic masculinity ("hypermasculinity" during the Mythopoetic Men's Movement), but I hadn't heard rape culture originating in men's spaces. What's the story there? I don't know of any specific things I'd call appropriation, though there are some things similar to the story of toxic masculinity. The one I can think of is closely related to hypermasculinity. It's actually where the point gets buried in the weeds: The idea of men needing to express their emotions. I find the way femi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/26 12:48 AM
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I'm saying they've spent all their political capital and are amassing a sizable debt that they won't be able to come back from. I'm not saying that egalitarianism will die, but that egalitarianism will need to find a new champion. I'm hoping that the men's movement will step up to fill that hole and become something more than just a men's movement, but that seems less and less likely. Mostly I think that gender egalitarianism will be set back a few decades by an unhealthy back and forth until a …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/26 12:18 AM
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What do you mean by the alienation?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/26 07:01 PM
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The redeemable aspect is pretty spot on and it's a interesting frame of mind. I don't think a lot of people fully grasp that they see men as units of utility. That's been my biggest objection to Richard Reeves. In Reeves, there's a sincere attempt at kindness that completely misses that he doesn't fully see men and boys as individuals unto themselves. That kindness is actually a step in the right direction, but meager - and rare.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/26 06:40 PM
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The "emotionally intelligent" people. I was kind of referring to the comment I made to someone else after I wrote back to you which kind of lumps your average or stereotypical liberal under that category of falsely or performatively empathetic.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/26 06:10 PM
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Oh, you mistook me. I think liberals are worse - not because of their beliefs but because of who they've become. Dont worry though, the ideas you think make conservatives worse people (and that we both vehemently disagree with) are in their ascendancy. They're revitalizing the right and within ten years, they'll have consumed the conservative movement to the point that conservatives are as smug and vapid as liberals are today. It's the same process that got liberals to where they are now. The sa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/26 05:47 PM
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It has been fun watching anti-social behavior be framed as righteous and even pro-social (I've literally seen psychology studies classify some disturbing behavior as pro-social). It sucks, but it'll get better. They've become repellant to most people and their doubling down is more a reflection of lost ground in the moral campaign than it is institutional or systemic preference - as it used to be which is how we got here.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/26 05:31 PM
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So just as a brief preamble: my ex girlfriend used to use the word "disgust" alot. She is and was severely emotionally unstable. She is and was a social justice advocate. Her advocacy had a lot more to do with her need to bolster her own sense of self worth with a rallying cry against the evil she saw in the world. It gave her community. It gave her social currency. The problem is that it was all based on what ultimately fueled her own sense of being evil herself so she'd oscillate between feeli…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/26 11:13 PM
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"The Left" is leaning a bit heavily on the authoritarian side these days. I mean, I agreed with them 20 years ago, then they became... this.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/26 03:47 PM
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Why am I reading a high school girl's essay?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/26 02:32 PM
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Thanks for the insight. You think academia will ever come on board with Men's Rights or whatever you want to label it?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/04/26 12:18 AM
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We weren't human as kids too. Just ask most of our teachers. (That's not exactly sarcasm - more sardonic - so "/s" doesn't exactly work.)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/26 07:29 PM
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"Hell, worst case, they lump us all together into "man online groups," and come to an overly simplistic conclusion." Almost like saying women only make false accusations in order to get attention. Wouldn't putting up a survey on a social media board bring about a ton of bias that this post grad should otherwise be trying to eliminate?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/26 07:22 PM
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Well, just for a little clarity, the established narrative is that the rates are 99:1. What's astonishing to me (or was, suppose) is that through the push for feminist policies that seemed to ramp up in 2013, we've had this data. We knew that sexual assault against men was at least worth noting during metoo. We've had pretty good data to show that at the very least domestic violence against men is as bad as it is against women since 2007. That's being generous because the data showed that it was…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/04/26 02:58 PM
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Thank you for the update
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/04/26 01:49 AM
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Nisvs 2017. You have to do your own math because the CDC classifies how men are raped differently
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/04/26 02:38 PM
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I'd recommend saying nothing and moving on. But, just to clarify, by the numbers, men to women rapists are about 3:2. That's assuming that men are as forthcoming as women when it comes to being victimized which is a pretty bad assumption. It's probably closer to 1:1. A lot of people don't know how common it is for women to rape. That sentiment you're talking about isn't based on research. Edit: Apparently a more accurate ratio than 3:2 is 2.5:1. There's still some trouble with this in an objecti…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/04/26 02:31 PM
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If you're an egalitarian, being anti-feminist is sensible.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/04/26 02:01 PM
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To your edit. Both Aristotle and Aquinas were influential, yes, but that doesn't make their claims about gender monolithic. Intellectuals have fallen on either side of this debate for centuries. The fact that that debate never really resolved tends to prove that there is something more fluid and amorphous at work in the societal mind in regard to gender.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/04/26 04:55 AM
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Ok. So white supremacy is all about the inherent superiority of white people (both men and women). Feminism started out as an addendum to that which said that women were the white people of white people. The men (mostly) who developed the original ideas weren't concerned with their superiority as men, but as whites. Men haven't been just thinking about men which is completely contradictory to most established feminist frameworks. Edit: yes, I know it gets more complicated than that, but the chau…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/04/26 04:46 AM
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It's been effective because they've piggybacked on societal prejudices. The idea that men dominated women into submission isn't very accurate. That's why I said it's propaganda. The reason men don't have a similar movement is because men weren't seen as a group worthy of being given a similar status. I've said it before and I'll say it again: feminism disproves itself by its very existence. If women were disregarded and treated like slaves, feminism never could have been. Edit: I guess the real …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/04/26 04:38 AM
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I kind if stopped reading. Feminism grew up out of a very intellectual environment. They weren't unique, they were mimicking the world around them. Of course that brand of intellectualism tended to explain why black people were inferior to white people (yes, I'm aware this isn't intellectual now). It seems to me that your understanding of history is based on a very underdeveloped framework that has been popularized by feminism. Feminism isn't uniquely intellectual, it's propaganda and part of th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/04/26 04:30 AM
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Um... Gearhart literally advocated for turning all men into sex slaves... that's the extreme, yes, and it is more extreme than "patriarchy" at its worst. But that patriarchy is largely a fabrication of the imagination.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/26 02:08 PM
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I'd argue that the "patriarchy" is actually more of a reflection of their preferred system - mirrored - than it is a real thing. "Patriarchy" is an admission.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/26 01:53 PM
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Aren't women basically as violent as men toward men? So... that's an epidemic too? Glad we could have this talk about equality feminists.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/26 01:47 PM
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I was going to say this. Girls were less likely to go to college back then which is where the belief that girls didn't perform as well in schools.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/26 01:39 PM
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I agree with you there. I definitely see men line up to be a part of that for what seems like an antiquated purpose, but I know a lot of people see it as innate. Sometimes I feel like people don't realize how transformative the world wars were - which is where I think that became kind of a mandate.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/26 11:15 PM
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Not really a criticism of what you wrote, but I've never liked the expendability argument. It's usually framed as an innate tendency, but to me it seems more like a logistical calculation that I don't think can actually be a part of our nature (for example, a king decides that the men in his kingdom are more expendable so he drafts them into his army because he isn't so concerned if they die, while a small tribe is likely to see everyone as valuable for a less than logistical analysis). What I'm…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/26 11:04 PM
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So I wasn't trying to be a dick and put you on the spot - just in case that's how you felt. My issue with this vantage is that I think men have less control over other men than women do. I'll frame it this way: I used to actually really like "the red pill" as a metaphorical tool. I don't mean what "red pill" became, I mean the idea that, in order to honestly see how men are treated, you have to transform how you see the world. Ironically, the movement that became the red pill I don't think does …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/26 10:33 PM
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It's sounds like you're describing gynocentrism and blaming men for adhering to it. I mean, yes, Terrance Real and Jackson Katz are pieces of shit, but they aren't the collective representation of "men." I don't think we should hold men any more accountable for gynocentrism than women. That sounds kind of gynocentric.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/26 07:21 PM
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The feminist thinks that 2016/2017 is more accurate is because 2010/2012 shows men raped (I include MTP as rape) more than women. The truth is that it probably shows a shifting bias in how people interpret their own uncomfortable sexual experiences. The amount of men raped stays statistically the same, but amount of women increases. I would argue that it shows that women became a little more sensitive towards bad sexual experiences while men stayed the same. It's kind of a brain dead take to say…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/26 07:07 PM
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I'm sorry that you do. He had a pretty rough childhood. The fact that he kept his head up is actually a pretty impressive accomplishment in and of itself, but he was able to do more than just that. People can be shit, but we make the best of it. He seemed to. Last I heard he was happily married with a kid.
/r/MensRights01/04/26 06:59 PM
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Some of them maybe. The one he had a crush on I doubt regrets it.
/r/MensRights01/04/26 01:08 AM
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A kid at my school when this came out was named Earl. His family was incredibly poor and he was a little slow. He had a crush on my sister's friend so they used to shout/sing the song at him whenever he'd come around. His family was all sorts of messed up, but he was actually a really decent guy. Edit: "Earl's gotta die, na na na na na." For anyone who didn't listen to it or is otherwise unfamiliar with the song.
/r/MensRights31/03/26 07:15 PM
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The down votes are coming in. My position is more that we need to move past feminism. I wouldn't exactly call it a moderate position, but a position that seeks to effectively communicate the needs of both sexes while eschewing the extremes. The way polarization seems to work is that the two poles become more extreme because they offer simpler solutions and do so more fervently. Social media and our own natural bias rewards this polarization and makes effective communication difficult if not impo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/26 04:33 PM
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"Why don’t we all just sit and talk and genuinely be open for the questions and concerns of the other side?" I remember having that revelation almost 20 years ago. I thought it was profound. It seems things got worse. I mean, that is the only path forward in my opinion, but I guess we have to trudge through all of this in order to reach the pressure to get to that point. That's why I'm trying to be mindful of my "well fuck women then" tendency. It's no use if we all fall down that rabbit hole. E…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/26 03:11 PM
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Well, despite the other comment, this seems like a fair take to me. The attitude of "with us or against us" is self defeating. I've noticed it drawing me towards a "well fuck women then" perspective. It's not really who I am, but it does get overwhelming and disheartening to be constantly treated like you're acting with malfeasance when you're trying to make a substantive point. I will say I don't like bell hooks. I read three quarters of Will to Change and I just couldn't finish. I think she fu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/26 02:58 PM
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I won't be able to convince you otherwise, but I'd argue it's the confluence of warped incentives rather than the machinations of powerful entities.
/r/MensRights27/03/26 10:12 PM
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I see it more as the people rising up against each other, too fucking stupid to realize that each other is their bread and butter.
/r/MensRights27/03/26 02:42 AM
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"Wtf is going on?" Society is crumbling. It's partly social media. It's partly It's users. It's a lot of things, but the short answer is that society is crumbling.
/r/MensRights26/03/26 09:39 PM
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Yeah. Hard consonants. Like I know that it refers to a vagina, but think of a muscle bound roided out vagina.
/r/MensRights17/03/26 09:36 PM
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Some advice that will go unheeded (which I guess makes me the idiot): that is a reaction to posts like this. You're offended, so you react, which offends them, so they react. The only logical move is to disengage. Let the worst of them deal with the worst of their enemy and let the both of them deal with it as they become increasingly alone. I'm fully aware that that isn't how people work, but it is an option.
/r/MensRights17/03/26 07:21 PM
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Betty White did it better.
/r/MensRights17/03/26 07:10 PM
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I always found "cunt" to be masculine.
/r/MensRights17/03/26 07:09 PM
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That last paragraph in the context of the rest of it kind of makes you wonder if Simone de beauvoir was kind of talking out of her ass. Maybe everyone in society is defined by how they can be utilized by the rest of society and the project of feminism is really just a project built on egocentrism. That's been my take for a while.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/26 02:45 AM
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The metoo movement actively shunned men abused by women. Making it harder for victims of women to be visible because that's an uncomfortable reality seems to play heavily into chauvinism. They had less of a heavy hand with women abused by women, but I'm sure they became relatively invisible as a result of the metoo movement too.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/26 01:44 PM
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Here's the thing I don't get, why is it so hard for people to see female chauvinism? It's pretty blatant.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/26 01:37 PM
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American Dad does a decent job of keeping it grounded. Everyone in the family are different kinds of idiots. I was pleasantly surprised. Edit: But the Cleveland Show fell into that trap. Most do.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/26 03:34 AM
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Can I call that last part a strawman?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/26 02:07 PM
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I'm afraid it's less a pendulum and more a feedback loop.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/26 02:03 PM
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I've known men like this
/r/MensRights07/03/26 03:39 PM
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That already happens a lot, but it doesn't get publicized and has very little pushback. The soon to be governor of California (top candidate) is a domestic abuser and that gets absolutely no attention. I get it, you're fixated on headlines.
/r/MensRights01/03/26 09:23 PM
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I can understand how stock buybacks might lend to a predatory market system, but I don't see how that led to economic issues. Weren't they already baked in to some degree? I guess it has little to do with men's rights.
/r/MensRights01/03/26 08:43 PM
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Yeah, you might be highlighting why boys are falling behind in school, but I was actually talking about in terms of parental abuse.
/r/MensRights01/03/26 12:05 AM
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I thought the opposite was true especially in terms of mortality.
/r/MensRights01/03/26 12:02 AM
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"Ive never seen a woman say that she doesnt want a man as president." Ignoring that I'm really not fond of trump, but isn't that almost the foundation of a lot of people's opposition to him - especially in 2016? You have some dickhead commenting about women being incompetent (and I'd be remiss to forget to point out that the equivalent opposite is alive and well) and a whole swath of people saying that trump shouldn't be able to dictate women's lives because he's a man. I mean, anecdotal evidenc…
/r/MensRights28/02/26 11:54 PM
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Well, speaking as an American, I don't think your average American thinks too much about the draft. Maybe some of the younger men do now that shit looks ready to pop off, but to millenials and older, it's not on people's minds. I'd push back on the idea that women aren't seen as responsible. I can agree that men are held to a higher degree of responsibility, but that doesn't carry over into perception. It's kind of the classic "I'm an independent woman, but you better be paying for my date." We …
/r/MensRights28/02/26 11:49 PM
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"No lol women are seen as... worse workers in the... presidency, basically every government job." I was pointing out that that doesn't bear out in any other election and that we've only had two opportunities to elect a woman to the presidency - both of which were not good options. I guess to go a little further on the "any government job" there are a number of government jobs where Americans only see women as viable candidates.
/r/MensRights28/02/26 11:41 PM
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In terms of the US, American voters favor female politicians. They just run less often. When they do run, they have a significant advantage. The reason there have been no presidents that are women is likely two fold: one, it's a contested position within the party which isn't unlike a CEO position in the political sphere. Two, two candidates have emerged from the democrats, one who is pretty universally disliked and another who was pretty incompetent as vice president and ran her campaign poorly…
/r/MensRights28/02/26 11:30 PM
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That last sentence describes me. I could have done a lot, but after eight years old, when I was out of school for the day, I just wanted to forget being there. Aced every test, did none of the homework. Personally I think we need to realize that our education system makes that kind of abuse systemic. The teachers who don't quit only have reasons to overlook it - which is to say that the system selects for child abusers and people who don't confront it. And I would argue a strong majority of that…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/26 03:34 PM
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From my perspective, they resent boys succeeding because female chauvinism is alive and well in the education system. Boys falling behind isn't exactly intentional, but it isn't passive. Might as well call it what it is.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/26 02:51 PM
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Work camps. Then we'd be home 24/7.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/26 03:49 PM
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Hah! Harmony. That must be what this is.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/26 03:47 PM
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It's less about the spirit of the thing and more about how it's used. Mostly I see women espouse this and it's rarely in the spirit of healthy discourse. It's more about being obeyed.
/r/MensRights20/02/26 05:40 PM
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I think the purpose is so that the less domineering partner can't get space and clarity. I have no idea why people think this is a healthy concept.
/r/MensRights20/02/26 03:36 PM
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"Don't go to sleep angry" always seems to be "you don't sleep until you agree with me." Super healthy.
/r/MensRights20/02/26 02:56 PM
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You're not much of a thinker are you? I would actually engage this if I felt like it was in good faith.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/26 06:00 PM
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I disagree with both premises
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/26 05:35 PM
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The foundation of his entire argument is that men need women to be functional members of society. Most of what he says comes back to that central theme. He isn't helping anything.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/26 05:24 PM
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Yeah that makes sense, but I think the thing that people don't often address when they talk about male crime statistics is that most of that criminality is the result of a dysfunctional economic system. The narrative usually relies heavily on a bioessentialist assumption that men are more likely to be violent where, if this data point is true, it's more sociological than it is biological. That's all to say that if we lived in a healthier socio-economic world, men wouldn't be as violent which wou…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/26 05:10 PM
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I've heard the majority of male deaths are the result of street crime. I didn't dig too deeply into that though.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/26 03:07 PM
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Scott Gallloway doesn't get called an incel because he reinforces the problematic narratives that created these problems in first place. So your solution is to dig a deeper grave?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/26 02:59 PM
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The concept you're describing is female chauvinism. The male gender role supports women, the female gender role supports men. Traditionalism was ideally a kind of equality (not saying I agree with it, but it's better than what feminism created). If you remove the female gender role, but rigidly enforce the male gender role, female chauvinism. If you remove the male gender role and rigidly enforce the female gender role, male chauvinism. That's simplified.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/02/26 02:48 PM
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Just to address your qualification of radical feminists being bad: by definitions from the 90s, better than 90% of feminists are radical feminists. Radical feminism was simply the belief in patriarchy theory. Now I guess it's rabid misandry? Thirty years from now, just the ones that go on killing sprees? Maybe it's ok to acknowledge that all feminists are bad and they're just getting worse. Maybe it's OK to acknowledge that feminism has always been a movement that contorts reality to drive socie…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/02/26 03:23 PM
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Oh ok. That makes sense now.
/r/MensRights14/02/26 04:14 PM
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When you put it all together, men raped by women make up 32% of all rapes. Men raped by men make up 8%. Per the NISVS 2017
/r/MensRights14/02/26 04:08 PM
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Out of curiosity, from your vantage, is there merit in these claims?
/r/MensRights11/02/26 10:36 PM
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Do you realize this is what MRAs call hypoagency vs hyperagency? The idea is that men act and women are acted upon whereas, in actuality, both act and both are acted upon. There's definitely a bias in your framing.
/r/MensRights11/02/26 10:21 PM
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So, by your logic, maybe Indian women treat Indian men so poorly indian men treat Indian women poorly. You see how this becomes circular? It's a major stumbling block in this whole conversation.
/r/MensRights11/02/26 10:03 PM
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By your logic, maybe they treat men way better which leads the men to treat them better. This is victim olympics
/r/MensRights11/02/26 09:55 PM
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Because they've constructed a narrative around the idea that marriage is/was slavery for women. By the way, even in the 1300s, women are the only group of slaves who actually paid to make themselves slaves: the dowry it evolved into the tradition where the bride's father pays for the wedding which is funny because girls used to save up for years to have enough to pay their dowry, and now daddy does it. They have their framework backwards and I don't know how to cure that level of stupid. There s…
/r/MensRights11/02/26 07:01 PM
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Have you considered that the left spheres obsession with fascism and the alt-right, etc. isn't a healthy foundation for political discourse and trying to ignore it and trivialize it is maybe the healthiest thing to do for both yourself and your political beliefs? The people who are that reactive to buzzwords should be quieted down, not given leverage over our discourse.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/26 03:48 AM
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Those emails gave me flashbacks.
/r/MensRights06/02/26 05:02 PM
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Yeah. I was more referring to Foucault's concept.
/r/MensRights03/02/26 04:01 PM
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Yeah. That's what I thought when I first discovered it. I mean I don't exactly think it's insidious, but it's definitely an aspect of reaffirming the status quo. You internalize it through constant pressure. The initial pressure to be considered good enough for a partner, then the following pressure of conforming to their worldview.
/r/MensRights01/02/26 04:46 PM
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It's an idea based on a prison architectural design. Essentially the prison is designed so that the prisoners don't know when they are being watched, but recognize that they are potentially being watched 24/7. I always felt like relationships had a similar tenor. But you need to feel like you need to be in one in order for it to be an effective tool.
/r/MensRights01/02/26 04:12 PM
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Have you heard of the panopticon?
/r/MensRights01/02/26 04:04 PM
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I'm actually enjoying your posts. You seem like you're trying to be thoughtful. That's not a backhanded compliment. Few people try and thoughtfulness is probably more important than it ever was.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/26 05:43 PM
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There was an interesting post on the Men's Rights sub a few days ago that intrigued me. It was about two different kinds of socialization styles and why women are categorized as more empathetic. Essentially, it's what I suspected (assuming the research is sound and I've grown tired of delving deeply into things), women perform empathy more than men. It isn't really empathy in the sense of spurring action, it's more a feeling the person gets of imagining themselves to be a caring person. That's a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/26 01:53 AM
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Sorry if I came off rude. I gave up on people on this platform a little while ago so I was a little annoyed.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/26 12:26 AM
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I can't make heads of tails of what you said. You seem to agree with me and you're going off on a tangent. I said that I hoped he abandoned feminism because feminism is an unhealthy philosophy that is not about equality.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/01/26 02:30 PM
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Insightful observations. My only issue is that it makes it seem like Chat GPT is doing this intentionally rather than pulling information and regurgitating it. The bias is in the source material, so it's still a very insightful look at how society treats the two issues.
/r/MensRights24/01/26 04:21 PM
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I've read meta analyses that say 25% to 33% which is why I looked into Lisak. Lisak was not a quality study.
/r/MensRights28/11/25 12:35 PM
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I'm not disagreeing with you. I agree that the above comment was ridiculous, I'm just providing some context. The 2 - 10% figure seems to be a reference to Lisak (2010 I believe). The 2% figure could also be a reference to Susan Brownmiller's unsubstantiated claim in Without Consent. The two are often used together to suggest that the first claim (Brownmiller) has been substantiated by research. Lisak found that 6% (+- 4%) were verifiably false. If you read the actual study. There's a possibilit…
/r/MensRights15/11/25 03:10 AM
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So what happens when you're looking at a group that actually has a high in-group bias?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/11/25 10:03 PM
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I found they weren't taught to be that way by the school system and by the media in the same way girls were. There is the question of upbringing, but is that really institutionalizing something at this point? Both education and media are institutions.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/11/25 03:05 PM
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Yup, those feelings they shouldn't have are irrelevant, but they should express them because it's good for women - except not those ones.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/11/25 05:00 PM
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I've found its not really an attitude among liberals that take Republicans into account. Republicans are old too, yeah, but it doesn't seem like that attitude exists for Republicans. Liberals seem more enthused by the possibility of an infusion of new blood. Personally, I find the class that AOC belongs to refreshing and potentially reinvigorating. The old guard (Pelosi et al) seem to be more committed to industry than to the American people. That's the idea that repels a lot of democratic voter…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/11/25 12:11 AM
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Yeah, I can agree with that. There's an interesting attitude in the democratic party that they've become old and stodgy, but that's also where I see the money flowing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/11/25 12:24 AM
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But remember, men and boys don't have feelings so they aren't actually aggrieved when they lose family members. I'm being sarcastic, but that really does seem to be the underlying logic behind this statement.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/10/25 09:54 PM
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I actually like AOC despite the cringey as fuck short king shit. She seems on the ball on other stuff.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/10/25 09:51 PM
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Don't worry too much. We're looking at an economic downturn and trump is definitely not the person to make it right. Shit will hit the fan, trump will smear it everywhere and people will vote Democrat. The one problem I see is that this will happen before 2026, the dems will take the house and senate and they'll fuck that up so hard, people will turn hard Republican. I just wish the democrats would cut the anti-male shit. It would be nice to support a group that doesn't fundamentally hate me.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/10/25 09:50 PM
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An egalitarian, anti-feminist. Feminism impedes equality. We won't have equality until it falls out of favor.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/10/25 10:28 PM
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Lol. This reminds me of the last South Park episode where Power Christian Principle was trying to make Jesus a Christian. It's an apt comparison when you consider that the baseline for feminism is the belief in gender equality. Most wouldn't understand equality if they saw it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/10/25 10:10 PM
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"They're afraid that if the law is applied equally, that men will abuse it to oppress them, because that is what they believe men are innately inclined to do." It's a mixture. They believe men are inclined to oppress them, but they also believe that they would use the same means that they would use to oppress women - even though those means aren't realistically available to most men. There's a hell of a lot of cognitive dissonance there. They really need a "come to Jesus" moment where they exami…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/10/25 10:03 PM
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It worked for them because they still had a number of similar privileges then that they have now.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/10/25 02:58 PM
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"Personally I’ve always found women’s notions of manifestation as highly questionable, but I’m slowly coming around to the idea now that if they’re able to manifest a belief that they were somewhere, which can then be used as legal evidence." Memory is a dubious thing. I have a vivid memory of a woman approaching me as a child, but I couldn't tell you where it happened. Until recently, the image was always of a bank I went into once that didn't exist when I was that age. You can also place faces…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/10/25 03:36 PM
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They'd blame each other. It'd be delightful.
/r/MensRights24/10/25 07:56 PM
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What was you "ah-hah" moment do you think? Your last paragraph speaks to a lot of what I see not just with gender issues. Like, for instance, if conservatives would just calm down about immigrants, things would be a lot simpler. I imagine most Americans (I'm an American so I don't know how it is elsewhere but I assume it's similar considering the divide between the two wings of politics seems to be deepening internationally) are kind of exhausted, but they don't really realize how much they are …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/25 09:55 PM
1

Just curious if anyone here has noticed that, according to definitions of "radical feminism" up to at least thr 2010s, most feminists are "radical?"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/25 08:01 PM
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You keep saying "not the majority of men." So then does that mean that it's not a very serious problem? And if it's not a very serious problem, then maybe the medical community is being nitpicky in which case I would assume - based on my poor experience with the medical field in general - that they're only seeing men doing this because they only want to see men doing this (their bias dictates what they observe).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/10/25 06:28 PM
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That last paragraph makes me think this is parody.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/10/25 09:44 PM
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I think Simone de Beauvoir would disagree with that. But it's sort of funny how neither men nor women seem to really understand the other side.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/10/25 09:39 PM
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"There are know-it-all men as well, but most don’t claim to know women better than women." I'd say there's too many who do, but at least it isn't really an institutionalized arrogance/delusion. Edit: institutionalized or systemic, I'm not sure which would be the preferable word.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/25 07:48 PM
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"Given every single thing in the world can have extenuating/mitigating circumstances," you realize this is exactly what I was telling you. You're not very intelligent, but you clearly think you are. Edit: It seems like either you deleted your post or one of us is being shadow banned. Either way, I don't care, this platform is a cesspool.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/10/25 01:37 PM
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No I don't, but you don't really either, so perhaps we're at a draw and this is pointlessly futile.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/25 11:55 PM
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I'm suggesting the first. I'd disagree that they experience it less in a significant way, but I would agree that their experience would be worse.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/25 10:12 PM
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"women perform worse on such as depression and anxiety." Women are also more likely to be diagnosed because they're more likely to seek help because there aren't a slew of gendered guidances that make the field of psychology feel unaccomodating to them. Is this why they perform worse? It's like how MAHA people say that autism is more prevalent while psychologists will tell you that they've really just gotten better at identifying autism and awareness campaigns have made parents more likely to fi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/25 10:03 PM
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Not really criticizing this analysis, but it's an analysis based on single men vs single women. The push for equal pay (originally) has a lot more to do with relationship dynamics: if women are making less than their husbands, their husbands have greater control over those women's financial reality. It's not how it actually plays out more often than not, but that's the original logic. Im sure attitudes are changing a little now that people are coupling less, but it takes some time for the propag…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/25 09:54 PM
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"You genuinely can't by any stretch blame this remotely on men nor is it a gender inequality or prejudiced/bigoted." You underestimate their capacity for derangement and you underestimate society's tendency to nod along as if they said something profound and not utterly infantile.
/r/MensRights08/10/25 10:52 PM
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Thanks. You might not know what that's meant to me. It's been a while since I've felt poetic. Edit: Without wanting to go too deep into it, I used to be a songwriter. Because of what we'll call depression, I haven't been able to write songs for years. So, once again, I'm grateful.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/10/25 11:48 PM
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Isn't that sort of the point though? Taking Hispanics as the example since it's there, wouldn't you agree that trump's rhetoric about undocumented immigrants plays a much greater role in how Hispanics are treated in this country? Sure, corporations might be taking superficial measures to cover themselves, but you know as well as most do that it's meaningless. A lot of the issues we have, even with DEI in general come from Trump, the rhetoric of his devotees and the people who listen. I'd argue t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/09/25 10:28 PM
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I guess, but you might just not be that bright.
/r/MensRights28/09/25 03:50 PM
1

That's an odd take
/r/MensRights28/09/25 01:51 PM
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No, pretending that what men do is worse than what women do in that regard is what I call supporting pedophilia (i.e. what you're doing).
/r/EverydayMisandry28/09/25 01:11 AM
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I'm not trying to call you out by saying it, but why are you a feminist? I understand the predicament that arises: "I'm not a feminist" "so you believe that women should be housewives." I disagree with traditional gender roles like feminists, but I don't see feminism as a viable ally in the fight for equality and I would argue that we won't have real equality or harmony until we move past feminism, but then we'd have to also move past the redpill bullshit in the same moment.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/25 11:04 PM
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I've been with 3 abusive women one of which I suspect had BPD. It's remarkably different. To just use your criterion for fear of abandonment: I think most men are familiar with a wife or girlfriend's dislike if their friends and insistence, even pleading, that they don't go out and using some threat to support them. That's not fear of abandonment. That fear leads to sheer panic. It's frightening seeing them like that. I don't mean that you're frightened of them exclusively - you're also frighten…
/r/MensRights27/09/25 10:35 PM
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I think it's an underdeveloped concept and I think a lot of men (especially the ones here) understand it implicitly even though most can't put words to it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/25 10:00 PM
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"for some it's a process longer than life." Well spoken and insightful.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/25 09:47 PM
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I've yet to see men defending the rapist, merely making cringey jokes about him being lucky. I have, however, seen feminists suggest that the boy raped the adult who was 2 to 2.5 times his size. Priorities?
/r/EverydayMisandry27/09/25 09:24 PM
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Have you heard of roofies? And yes, considering that reporting bias would be greater in children than adult men, it gets complicated. Even the stats say that there is a significant portion of women who rape children. So no, it's not just men. We know that as a matter of fact and we've known it for over a decade. That's all before you factor in reporting bias. That's the complication. They're close enough as it is that you can reasonably assume that women might rape more boys than men do. I'm get…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/25 03:40 PM
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Well, no, most of the adult male rape victims were raped by women. That's actually a fact. Childhood assaults are where it gets more complicated.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/25 03:00 PM
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12% reported to the authorities? Would you expect that they would confide in someone (even a friend) if they were raped by a woman? I wouldn't expect that. That's a secret you're supposed to die with.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/25 02:41 PM
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As Wrong meal said, men are mostly raped by women. It's like 80%. Technically (according to the findings of the NISVS), most children are raped by men, if I recall correctly, but the difference isn't so stark. This is also assuming there is no reporting bias and we can be fairly certain that the NISVS has pretty substantial reporting bias. I wouldn't be surprised if boys were less likely to report women. As you pointed out, boys are considered "lucky" and they internalize that and that internali…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/25 02:18 PM
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Apparently studies show emotional repression comes from mothers more than fathers. I wouldn't believe that you're an outlier, but it doesn't fit the narrative which is why you feel like an outlier. People see what they expect to see. They ignore what they don't expect to see. That's what explains the perception to me.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/25 12:48 AM
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To some degree, it's all performative now. Feminists perform the strong independent woman. Men perform either the stoic breadwinner or the caring shoulder to cry on. Not much of it is very sincere, but that's how it's structured. We don't want to know each other and we want to know ourselves even less.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/25 12:37 AM
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Not too long ago I saw a report from an expert on childhood sexual violence say that the US education system is 100× worse than the Catholic Church. From my experience, the practice is similar: they shuffle them around to try to mitigate the problems, but the education system is much bigger than the Catholic church in terms of access to children.
/r/MensRights25/09/25 11:23 PM
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I have wondered recently if men dismiss it because they're more comfortable dismissing it than being horrified. I see men joke: "lucky bastard." But I see women defend the assailant saying that the child must have initiated it. I can roll my eyes at men trying to make light of it, I can't roll my eyes at women trying to portray the perpetrator as the victim.
/r/MensRights25/09/25 11:20 PM
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Are you calling Hilary Clinton a liar? For shame. The obligatory /s
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/09/25 11:15 PM
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Anyone ever wonder how difficult war would be to wage if you only had volunteers? Maybe, if men were allowed to decide if their life was expendable for a cause, less life would be lost.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/09/25 11:12 PM
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Well, I mean men experience sexual assault and harassment at comparable levels to women mostly at the hands of women. Why is the outrage so much less comparable. Also, what do jeff bezos and 99% of men have in common aside from a (usually) y chromosome. On the first, information is very disparately leveraged. On the second, it doesn't take a lot of consideration to realize that's a bad argument. Then you have to ask yourself why is information dissemination so poor and what does that imply. But,…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/25 12:25 AM
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I agree, my question was more rhetorical. In order to actually be more hospitable, they'd have to piss off women (after years of egging them on, that's where we are) and they don't want to alienate their base. It's been sad watching the right become more religious right again. We're caught in between two irreconcilable religions that make actually addressing men's humanity less and less realistic.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/09/25 09:32 PM
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How would left leaning spaces be more hospitable to men and boys though? I have my own ideas that could create a caring environment that was uplifting and a counter balance to the more right wing spaces, but that impulse of being kind is what's missing from the left. They don't want that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/09/25 02:07 PM
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I think there will be a recalibration. I don't know when. Society can't sustain what it's trying to.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/09/25 10:57 PM
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Well, technically, they say it's a based on a true story. It's not. They either have poor English or they don't realize it's fictional.
/r/MensRights16/09/25 06:59 PM
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This your brain on feminism. Glad to have the reminder
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/09/25 06:25 PM
3

Maybe as an aside from your conversation, I've always wondered how intersectionality deals with the lynchings of the late 19th century.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/09/25 11:45 PM
1

With my last relationship, I did a little run through on happy memories vs bad memories and gave them numerical values when I was deciding to break up or not. I found out that after about 6 months the happy memories kind of disappeared. The bad memories stayed constant, but there wasn't a lot of good memorable moments after that. We lose track of happiness, I think and we settle into what is objectively worse than being single. I'm trying to date now, but I keep having flashbacks of the last rel…
/r/MensRights15/09/25 11:06 PM
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For me it's always that the benefits just don't outweigh the drawbacks. You slowly lose more and more as time goes on. It always makes me wonder why women act like men aren't pulling their weight. I always feel like I'm the only one pulling any weight.
/r/MensRights15/09/25 06:41 PM
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OK, I'll hone in on "gender stereotypes" and something I think you mentioned previously that would fall under that category: poor emotional expression. My familiarity with this concept comes from Bell Hooks and her citations of Terrance Real as well as Terrance Real's first book. The argument that Real posited was that boys learn to dampen their emotional expression because other boys in the school yard make fun of them, calling them "pussy," for exhibiting emotions. I think we could agree that …
/r/MensRights14/09/25 03:15 PM
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It's a Motte and Bailey fallacy. If someone is talking about toxic masculinity and another points to positive traits that can be considered masculine, the person talking about toxic masculinity can always say that they don't understand the concept. But part of the reality of it and why it's been perpetuated is because it links toxicity to masculinity so people link toxicity to men. There's a reason why Richard Reeves (a feminist) has said a few times publicly that we should get rid of the term b…
/r/MensRights14/09/25 02:32 PM
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The misunderstanding is part and parcel to the concept. On one hand, she misunderstands it; on another, she understands it perfectly.
/r/MensRights14/09/25 02:21 PM
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To be honest, with my recent foray into online dating, I've been asking myself if straight women are ok. They don't seem to have any interests (aside from traveling) or really the ability to converse. The reversal on this is a bit weird to conceptualize.
/r/MensRights13/09/25 11:19 PM
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The sad thing is I understand the argument behind making fun of short men being misogyny. I don't agree with it, I just know the logic without delving any deeper. Feminism governs what even we talk about. We see things that don't make sense and say "what the fuck?" but the truth is that our entire reality insofar as gender is concerned is governed by feminism. What might we see if we didn't have that yoke on our necks? I can hope for that day.
/r/MensRights13/09/25 11:02 PM
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But you do see the problem in men exploiting women. Do you think you're egalitarian?
/r/MensRights12/09/25 11:43 PM
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Technological advancement doesn't mean things got better.
/r/MensRights12/09/25 11:12 PM
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So if something benefits men, it's self interest. If something benefits women, it benefits society. Sounds like we have a double standard. And yes, I do mean we because too many people agree with this.
/r/MensRights07/09/25 01:51 PM
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This is better than this forum gives credit to. In a way, the masculinity he's talking about is still incredibly valuable to men. It might not be praised, but it doesn't need it. One can persevere with this mindset regardless of what society wants from him - he just has to detach from an ambivalent society. I kind of want to give this guy a handshake, a clap on the back and tell him he's still doing good. Maybe sit down and talk about how he can utilize what he has for his benefit. Here we focus…
/r/MensRights07/09/25 03:57 AM
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They tend to be female chauvinists predominantly. There isn't a lot of distinction between them and feminism in reality. It's ironic because Andrea Dworkin wrote a book about them supposing they were diametrically opposed. The book was about how much they had in common. They're pretty much birds of a feather. Dworkin was kind of an idiot.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/09/25 04:13 PM
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I've met man haters who aren't feminists. I used to call them conservative feminists. There's a large swath of conservative women who hate men about as much as they hate feminism. They tend to oppose the equality veneer of feminism. They don't even want men to believe that they are remotely equal to them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/09/25 02:14 PM
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Yeah. That's sort of why I checked out. I think there's something deeply wrong with people and I can't fix them, but I can work on myself and learning to make myself happy. It's lonely, but then being around people hasn't been a solution to that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/08/25 08:38 PM
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I know how you feel. Maybe get away from social media? Reddit isn't great and Tik Tok is cancer. If you like looking at stuff on your phone, maybe try a digital book about something that isn't controversial: history, psychology, science, etc. It kind of fills the void. That's all I can really think to suggest. I don't think we live in a good time and it feels like people are reeling from the negative environment they've helped create and are just making it worse. That's why stepping away from it…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/08/25 08:23 PM
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"Men are generally bad until proven otherwise." I actually think they're considered bad even after proven otherwise.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/08/25 06:48 PM
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I've long felt like society empowers abusers in the way that you mentioned that you internalize their abuses. It's probably a common feeling. For me, since covid, I've kept to myself. I recently started going back to my old haunts and seeing old friends and there's something troublesome about everyone. In my solitude, I've learned to accept myself, but that doesn't mean that others will accept me unless I adopt an unhealthy mindset again. Unfortunately, I think the only solution is to step away …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/08/25 03:09 PM
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Hopefully not all women /not sarcasm. Jesus fucking christ.
/r/MensRights30/08/25 03:50 AM
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And sometimes it was powerful women oppressing men and other women. People forget that.
/r/MensRights28/08/25 12:30 AM
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I find it interesting how the rate for women increased in these studies as they went on and now the CDC only publicizes the highest figure. The conclusion there is still bad for men so much so that most people still won't believe it. But yeah parity seems highly likely.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/08/25 01:26 PM
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Coming up on a decade myself. Never would have believed it until I lived it. People really don't understand when I have to explain why I've been single for so long. And you have to because they always want to know.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/08/25 01:12 PM
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Sorry for the late comment and I don't want to make you feel like I'm prying. I've been in abusive relationships too - though thankfully no children were involved - and I'm curious when all this happened for you. The responses from the social workers sound outdated. I'm curious if this happened a while ago or if their attitudes are still outdated.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/08/25 01:04 PM
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He did use the phrase "importing cheap foreign labor" which used to be a leftist cause if you recall Cesar Chavez at all. "Foreigners eating your pets" has more to do with American Purity which fits the mold of fascism. There's a lot wrong with how common it is for politically unsavvy people to be the most vocal. It's distorted how we communicate. That's kind of how we have two halves of our political spectrum with a vocally dominant authoritarian streak. I checked out of the team sports politic…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/08/25 09:00 PM
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Why was this down voted? Why are there male feminists here?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/08/25 08:45 PM
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Senseless sacrifice always reminds me of abusive relationships: you give again and again against your better judgement and then, when the whole thing crumbles around you, it was half your fault for not speaking up. That was my first thought when I read that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/08/25 01:40 PM
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I wasn't really offering it up as a solution, more of an example that could highlight a problem. The way I see it is that boys do better when exclusively amongst boys because, one, they are more likely to have male teachers who are more likely to identify with them and thus empathize, and, two, they aren't competing with girls for attention so they get more time with the teacher. Even male teachers aren't immune to sexism against boys, but when boys are the only ones that are there, everyone is …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/08/25 10:55 PM
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Yeah, I was considering lower education more.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/08/25 10:52 PM
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Yeah. I'm saying teachers are intervening. You want measures to be taken to widen the gap? Edit: I guess to clarify since you don't seem to understand what I was saying: female teachers provide subpar education for boys. They're not failing because they develop later, they're failing because they're being failed.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/08/25 04:18 PM
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You said "Also, girls are already outperforming boys on these metrics without any intervention." I'm saying that there is intervention. It might not be improving girls' education - there's evidence to suggest that educational standards are declining overall - but it is intervening on the quality of education boys are receiving which lends to the comparison. This also applies to your first paragraph which is comment on the previous criticism of red shirting.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/08/25 03:28 PM
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I'd suggest there's significant intervention. In his book, Reeves talks about how there is a decline for boys over the years (they used to be performing better). He doesn't really express this, but one thing you can note is that education has become increasingly female dominated especially in grade school (though it has always been female dominated). I've also seen that boys and girls both do better in one sex environments, though boys improve more. I would assume that there are more male teache…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/08/25 02:39 PM
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That was actually really good. Thanks for sharing. Edit: I just saw the publication date. I wonder if he would have guessed that there is far more parity in sexual violence soon to be released when he wrote the book.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/08/25 02:14 PM
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Indian Evidence Act is from India. I made the same mistake too. I thought it was the US.
/r/MensRights09/08/25 02:10 PM
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Because it's a raw deal?
/r/MensRights06/08/25 07:06 PM
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I read the introduction of the pubmed piece and I stopped halfway through the second part because it seemed tedious and only really bolstered my observations about the introduction as I went. They admit in the introduction that a possible reason why women experience more ADRs is because of both taking more medications and some medications that are specific to women. They assume that it's due to dosages based on male body types which kind of means bad healthcare because a doctor should know to gi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/08/25 07:21 PM
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I don't have time to read the pubmed study which would be more definitive, but I glanced at the uchicago one and I'm seeing the same sleight of hand potentially. From what I've understood (and the uChicago article doesn't necessarily refute this) the fda takes dosage for women into account during phase 2.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/08/25 03:57 PM
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From what I understand, women are largely excluded from phase 1 (safety) not phase 2 (efficacy or dosage). This is because, in the past, women have been irreversably harmed by the safety trials which led to public outcry to change this. So the reason why they say women are ignored in medicine is because women aren't guinea pigs. There are a lot of those catch 22s in the gender debate.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/08/25 02:33 PM
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Yeah I stopped watching shortly after the litany was recited. Why recite the litany if you actually see what he's addressing? There should be no need for it, you already know that 90% of society understands that and you should actually be trying to undermine it because undermining it is entirely necessary to bring about positive change.
/r/MensRights03/08/25 12:14 AM
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I stopped watching after a bit. I've heard Reeves talk before. I don't really think he really gets to the issues. I did find it interesting that he went down a list of hurdles he had to go through in writing/publishing his book and it doesn't seem to dawn on him that all of those roadblocks are built into our society. We can't be such a misogynistic society (as he seems to think) while simultaneously obstructing even the thought that boys and men might have problems. He only dipped his toe into …
/r/MensRights02/08/25 11:38 PM
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Feminism was never about equality.
/r/MensRights01/08/25 11:06 PM
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I never said that. The refrain that "men built it" is pretty silly. The logic is very circuitous and, when you distill it down, the assertion really only stands because people say it does. There's little to no evidence behind it. Men and women built whatever it is and that goes back for thousands of years. Whatever it is changes, but society collectively maintains its own order for whatever function. Suggesting that women have always been slaves to the will of men is popular, but not very reason…
/r/MensRights26/07/25 04:04 PM
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It's more that the concept is poorly defined. It becomes unfalsifiable because anything you see becomes corroboration. So yes, a lot of feminists believe it exists. It doesn't mean that it does and it doesn't mean that there is even a well defined concept for it to be.
/r/MensRights26/07/25 03:25 PM
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I've seen older feminist women who are kind of out of the loop on the new version of it postulate that we might be in more of a matriarchy now. It's perfectly reasonable to wonder what patriarchy is or if it even exists considering where we are.
/r/MensRights26/07/25 03:02 PM
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Honestly, while I was reading this I felt like she was throwing red flags left and right. Maybe men are less inclined to see if there's any payoffs when the woman seems like an asshole these days. Maybe metoo made the price of admission too high and men want to play the numbers game less. Maybe sex isn't worth it anymore considering what you have to go through. She seemed to think we are just things that are there to fuck her anyways. Any man would be lucky to run away from that.
/r/MensRights21/07/25 10:01 PM
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I know one. She was just a feminist when I met her.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/25 09:47 PM
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They hate Freud, but they learned well from him.
/r/MensRights16/07/25 05:05 AM
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“Prepare for friends and family to abandon you because a violent woman is the ultimate taboo and no one wants to even be adjacent to such horrific drama.” That hit home.
/r/MensRights16/07/25 05:02 AM
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It wasn't the material suggestions you were making that I had an issue with, it was the underlying attitude. People see boys as a problem to be solved. Why not see them as people who just want to be cared about like anyone should care about another person? We're social creatures, not automatons. Just to give a "human face" to MTP: in one of my relationships, towards the end, we were having sex because I was afraid of how she would react if I didn't consent. If I didn't, she would start saying ho…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/07/25 09:06 PM
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You actually seem like a pleasant enough person and I'm sure we would get along if we met. I probably wouldn't talk about any of this. I tend to keep that under wraps. So, the reason that RAINN statistic probably exists is because, similar to the CDC, they don't classify Made to Penetrate as rape (though the CDC does record MTP separately). Most experts on sexual violence would disagree. We don't need to harp on it. I know there are a lot of misgivings in that space and I don't really care that …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/07/25 07:49 PM
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An information campaign about rape on college campuses started in 2012, I think. That's how I explain the increase.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/07/25 06:46 PM
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So, I do know what you think, you think women experience more rape and domestic violence than men. I don't necessarily know what you explicitly think regarding percentages, but I do know what most people think and 95% of rapists being men is almost generous to men. The 2010-2012 NISVS rate puts it at 50%. You said in the article that what bothered you about MRAs is that they have a traditionalistic desire to turn back the clock on progress for women. Have you considered that you might be more of…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/07/25 12:50 PM
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I think the problem with looking at the historical side of things is that it neglects to understand how it is now. Also, I don't really think that the historical analysis is very unbiased. I don't honestly know of many thorough histories on how the genders interacted in the past. You mentioned John Stuart Mills in your post. Have you heard of Esther Vilar? I'm not really trying to validate either author, but trying to demonstrate that sometime authors from any given period in time can have very …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/07/25 03:08 AM
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So after first reading your comments and then reading your post, I have a couple thoughts: You put an emphasis on empathy. Part of that comes from listening to people and trying to grapple with their perspective. That's something that most of society doesn't afford men and, I'm sorry to say, you don't seem to be doing much yourself. Also, Scott Galloway is a serious indictment on academia. He's not intelligent enough to have gotten as far as he has. I'm less familiar with Emba, though I've enjoy…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/07/25 12:25 AM
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You really don't find any of those points convincing? Even about scarcity?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/07/25 12:01 AM
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I read the article and Drucker does seem to be a bit biased in what she's writing. They're subtle things that I don't really feel like going through and finding to highlight. You can just tell that she's heavily invested in her vantage point and not really capable of seeing the vantage point of the men's. I was however pleased that she didn't seem to blame porn for the cause. I'm getting so tired of that. What I think she's talking about is something different than what Fiamengo suggests, or wha…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/07/25 02:17 PM
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The backwards observation is an underappreciated reality.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/07/25 01:27 PM
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"Real-time case study of group think." That's a good observation. The mechanism of narrative control doesn't work so well in low population subs like this one and mensrights. But with them, they have so many people contributing that they source the best explanation that supports the narrative. And then it's a competition to be that source. Makes a lot of sense.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/25 12:41 PM
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I do remember the conversations about nuking the middle east into a glass parking lot. I'd hate to say I was conservative then. I was a kid and my dad has always been conservative - not really the religious kind, more the redneck kind. I had a friend who had the "opportunity" to serve Cheney at a fundraiser here. I think he had a panic attack and told his boss he couldn't go through with it. Our friend had recently died in Iraq. There was a band we loved that was predominantly a war protest band…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/25 12:50 AM
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Is it just me or have people become more cruel lately? That's why I added the dates. It seems like people got exponentially hostile during the period I was with her (2013-2015). Before I left, people were pretty casual. Back then conservatives were the oppressive assholes. When I got back things were more rigid. It wasn't long after that that I just abandoned everyone. Saw a bunch of them recently because my best friend died and he stayed close to them all. In one respect, it was nice being arou…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/25 10:14 PM
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I think it's important to stress that feminists really don't support male victims in real life. Before I met one of my exes (maybe 2013), my circle of friends tended to be pretty liberal (feminist, pro- LGBTQ, progressive). When I got out of that relationship, I came back to them (about 2015) and I would try to talk about my experiences. They're definitely less critical in real life than they would be online (and they are probably the variety that we'd criticize here online), but they were alway…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/25 09:27 PM
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Partly they're the "victims" because they can leave. They're being "displaced." Those men are sure lucky they're being deployed instead of displaced /s.
/r/MensRights09/07/25 06:37 PM
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I had to check what they said about personal wealth to see what their argument was. Beyond that I don't really want to wade through feminist propaganda. You touched on it at the end, but I think it's 80% of a married couple's finances are decided on by the wife. A lot of that is probably at the grocery store. But that might consume a third of a couple's income. If you've ever gone house shopping (I did with a gf at the time who was not contributing to the down payment at all) you'll immediately …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/07/25 06:24 PM
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Yeah I agree. It only really makes sense - in both cases - if you have a warped view of reality. Which a lot of people do and in no small part to the popularity of those conceptualizations. I just think it's funny that some feminists have been dreaming of a "feminist utopia" with a world without men since the sixties and I'm pretty sure scientists have only been able to possibly create a world without women - in mice that is.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/07/25 04:21 PM
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Don't go to either Korea. Gotcha.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/07/25 01:42 PM
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Haven't they successfully synthesized a mouse using only sperm and have yet to synthesize anything using only female genetics? I know that argument about the bone marrow comes from the sixties. Maybe the scientists are trying to replace women /s. Those dastardly scientists.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/07/25 01:37 PM
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From what I understand the phrase comes out of post Victorianism. The standards for male behavior were much more rigid -- actually not to dissimilar to how they are now. It was in the spirit that allowing boys to grow up in a natural way would protect them from anxiety, depression and other mental illnesses later on in life -- kind of how we treat girls these days. It's honestly not a bad idea and probably did a lot of good. But yeah. They warped it. The summation is that boys need to be hawkish…
/r/MensRights05/07/25 11:12 PM
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The threat is probably just legal posturing. They're telling you that, even if you were to go to the authorities, this wouldn't turn out well for you. It's like how sometimes people will get a lawyer to file a cease and desist order, but don't intend to go any further. I'd suggest they're not threatening you with legal consequences if you were worried about that. And I'd just find another cafe if she bothers you that much. I'm not trying to be dismissive. I mean that if she's a barrier to you en…
/r/MensRights05/07/25 10:30 PM
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I'm sure the differences between the two are substantial, but I grew up in a conservative Christian area and you could easily say the same thing about them (in an overarching way). During the metoo movement, there was a whole companion movement about religious groups. I think it tended to focus on Mormons and the conservative Christianity I grew up with. I grew up with both groups really, and they're not wholly incompatible, though different. A lot of that movement leaned in heavily towards femi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/07/25 10:07 PM
1

They were pretty great. I miss that attitude. Kind of a long forgotten era now. I was thinking about her and the girls I knew that she reminds me of that I grew up with. They might be called pickmes now, but it sort of misses the point you know?
/r/MensRights05/07/25 02:29 PM
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The impression I got was it was about a lot of the girls I knew growing up: superficial and self involved.
/r/MensRights04/07/25 03:49 PM
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There's "Stupid Girl" by Cold and then a song with the same title by Garbage. They're old and the Garbage song might fit Carpenter. I know nothing about her. Doesn't seem like my scene.
/r/MensRights04/07/25 01:48 PM
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It could be, but they seem pretty limited in their ability to analyze. After that comment, it made me wonder what source material they might be sourcing. They apparently source EBSCO, but when I asked if they had any articles on male gender roles from an academic source - that strayed away from "toxic masculinity" or "healthy masculinity" or anything prescriptive in that regard. It gave only one sort of academic result. I had to do a bit of digging after reading the sort of academic article (a r…
/r/MensRights03/07/25 09:15 PM
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If only they were capable of actually internalizing the logic that they show.
/r/MensRights03/07/25 08:41 PM
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Yep
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/25 02:23 PM
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Sorry to break it to you, but that's like trying to pour water into a sieve. You can't do enough. No one can do enough. All men on earth can never do enough. That's part of the point.
/r/MensRights26/06/25 04:22 AM
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I haven't really been paying much attention to the alt-right pipeline. I never thought of them as particularly empirical, but rather a facade of that. That being said, you're right that most of what liberals (leftists, left-wingers, etc. I never know a good name) rely on is emotion (as do conservatives). I've noticed there's kind of a vacuum of reasonable empiricism. Someone pointed out that liberals have a sort of mantra that "reality has a left wing bias." I would suggest that we don't really …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/06/25 10:25 PM
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Well I don't really know or assume they're biased. I'm more interested in the fact that their data is inherently biased whether they wanted it to be or not.
/r/MensRights20/06/25 02:45 AM
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Yeah, that's what I was responding to. If you're including the 2015 result with the 2012 result, then it's going to be lopsided. This goes into the assumption that is made which is that these interpretations are static. If you look at the data, it looks like rape increased, but that's not necessarily what the data is showing. That's my point. Public perception naturally would have changed over the course of these studies. The assumption is that they assume that men and women will have a similar …
/r/MensRights20/06/25 01:40 AM
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Yeah, the 2 to 1 is between 2010-2012 and 2017. What was the perpetuation rate, men vs women from 2010 to 2012? It would be lopsided when you start to include 2015
/r/MensRights20/06/25 01:27 AM
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I don't have any if the nisvs studies saved though I thought I had them all saved at one time. I know they get relocated a lot, but I thought 2017 was the easiest to find. So from what I remember, they collected 2010 to 2012 into one study. They might have been separate initially, but I saw them shown collectively. That's where you see the twelve month figure being roughly (statistically) the same. The change would have been present after 2012. I remember there was an increase from the 2010-2012…
/r/MensRights19/06/25 11:45 PM
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That's sort of what I'm saying, but I'm not really doubting the claims so much as I'm suggesting that there are two different categories of awareness. One could imagine a world where we emphasized men being the victims and the results would be the opposite. The interesting thing is that even before the changes, the two were not considered equal. There was undoubtedly a greater threshold for men to admitting to themselves that they didn't have consensual sex and the numbers were the same. The nis…
/r/MensRights19/06/25 11:37 PM
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The nisvs was conducted mostly after title ix changes that mandated education on rape in most colleges. The first study took place before the change and actually showed incidents of rape in the past year (I include MTP) between men and women as roughly equal with men being slightly more affected. By the end of the study (after the program started and began to spill out into the broader society) the number for women had doubled while the number for men stayed statistically the same. The increase …
/r/MensRights19/06/25 06:38 PM
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Yeah, most the time it's pretty good, but I was a little taken aback at seeing what I saw as genuine progress being seen as more of the same. Recognizing when things are good is just as important as recognizing when things are bad
/r/MensRights18/06/25 01:09 PM
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I read through a few comments and was pleasantly surprised, especially considering this was posted at least a year ago. I hadn't thought progress had been made in what is pretty obviously a feminist area. I'm all for feminism learning to treat men like people and the comments I read definitely seemed to fall in line with that. Then I read the comments here and was a little dismayed. I did read your comments though and you seem to have good ideas. Kudos. I wish there was more discourse like this:…
/r/MensRights18/06/25 12:15 AM
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I felt this. Good to know I'm not alone.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/06/25 06:38 PM
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Troll?
/r/MensRights10/06/25 07:48 PM
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I'm also tired of seeing and hearing them.
/r/MensRights08/06/25 02:40 PM
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Do you think that every single one of them only knows about cultural or pop feminism? Personally, I used to draw that distinction until I realized that academic feminism wasn't much better and really only empowered the more distasteful elements of feminism by giving them an academic veneer. It might not be useful to delineate the two and consider it meaningful. I think that many of them may simply have an issue with your definition and whatever feminism it's aligned with is seen as the problem.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/06/25 01:19 PM
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So May is Women's Health Month which is why it includes Mental Health and June is Men's Health Month which is why people say it's Men's Mental Health Month. Just felt like clarifying what I found out because I don't think anyone actually knows what these things are. I don't either. No one does.
/r/MensRights07/06/25 06:33 PM
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Audible plumbing the depths.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/25 02:16 PM
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"I don't like" is perfectly fine to say. Maybe if men had standards, we'd be better off. What you're talking about is mostly speculative pseudo science.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/25 12:55 PM
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My theory? Bad incentives breed fecklessness among all sorts of various non-ideal traits. You're not alone as much as you may feel like it. This world is pretty cruel.
/r/MensRights04/06/25 01:49 AM
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Unfortunately, I think the prisoners get punished too.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/25 01:36 AM
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I don't really like the framing that women dictate men's behavior like dog trainers or eugenicists with a God complex. I think a better way of understanding it is that society is chock full of double binds for men to try to grapple with. I think if we started talking about it in terms of men as active players in a rigged game rather than tame pets being goaded through life, we'd start getting people to understand what we mean by men are humans. Maybe if we started realizing that society (some of…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/25 07:49 PM
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Criminality isn't largely genetic, most likely.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/25 02:07 PM
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"I don't hate women, I hate the flying spaghetti monster."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/25 01:01 AM
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My mind immediately went to the Quran and I was so confused until I read the first comment. But yeah, Quora's useless.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/05/25 01:19 PM
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Oh yeah I understand what you mean. I know a lot of people have the least gracious opinion of fathers, but I get where you're coming from. It's a fucked up system. People don't realize how bad it is until they're in it and then they're virtually alone. Weird world.
/r/MensRights30/05/25 01:24 PM
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I'm not saying it's fair, functional or, frankly, ethical, but it is a legal loophole. That's why I said they aren't exactly a part of the government. It's not exactly a right, because you're not exactly being charged by the government. In all honesty, I hadn't considered family court in detail until just now and now I understand why it's so frustrating. It sounds like any reasonable person would consider it illegal, but it's one of those things that people don't talk about.
/r/MensRights29/05/25 09:45 PM
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I'm not a lawyer and it's been a long time since I was in a civics class, but isn't the differentiation between civil and criminal the distinction between whether the legal matter is between two people and the state and a person ("the state of Texas vs..."). You said that jail time is a result of being found in contempt of court right? If I get sued and lose and refuse to pay the plaintiff, I can be found in contempt and be jailed, fined, etc right? The judgement has to have teeth. It'd be simil…
/r/MensRights29/05/25 09:12 PM
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Well, two of them are here. I don't save links because I don't care. The original study was done by the nih in 2007. It shows that a quarter of relationships have physical abuse, fifty percent are unilateral abuse, of that fifty percent, seventy percent have the woman as the abuser (this is exclusively heterosexual couples from 18 to 28). I don't think the other two studies limited the age range which suggests that it's increasing which is the only point I was making. You can look up those param…
/r/MensRights29/05/25 03:31 PM
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Cool. But I know that it's been about equal since the 70s and recently studies have shown it increase.
/r/MensRights29/05/25 03:28 PM
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OK. I don't really know what that means, but you do you. You're also wrong.
/r/MensRights29/05/25 03:12 PM
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I've heard of three studies over the last 20 or so years that shows a pretty significant difference and they tend to all be within the margin of error with each other.
/r/MensRights29/05/25 02:38 PM
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It's actually not equal, but I think she probably thought she'd be safer by saying it.
/r/MensRights29/05/25 01:51 PM
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A feminist would argue that supporting men is moot because men have all the power. That's why they think talking about feelings is substantive. Almost by their own admission, they would never actually realize when the scale tips until the balance is so far off, it's glaring. That's where I'd say we are now: it's almost glaring.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/05/25 12:29 PM
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You told people something they didn't want to hear even if you were correct. This is the state of information dissemination.
/r/MensRights22/05/25 06:54 PM
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I agree with you that taking a more gracious approach to another culture would be more reasonable and probably lead to better outcomes. The problem is that that isn't historically the case. The only times I can think of this possibly happening are when a single person becomes absorbed by a foreign culture. The reason for "single" is because they don't have anyone to fall back on in their previous culture. It's kind of a truism that the way we define ourselves is by observing what we are not. Tha…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/05/25 02:03 PM
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I think their example about Europeans and eastern peoples is fairly useful insofar as that's exactly how Europeans treated Eastern peoples. They still do to a lesser extent. The reason it's useful is because it's speaks to how people in power often define the other. I don't really see men's rights activists being in any position to dictate the narrative. Why do feminists really care what we have to say? We're not the ones defining them for people in positions of power. In fact, they tend to igno…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/05/25 09:11 PM
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My issue with feminism is that they do a lot to prevent men from "talking about their feelings" just by creating prevailing attitudes. We see the frustrations here and the main sub a lot how they say things like "men built it." Men didn't build it; men and women built it. They tend to ignore that women have had a significant degree of agency throughout history. Even what we often call traditionalism was created by men and women cooperatively. Then it fell out of favor and feminists claimed that …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/05/25 09:04 PM
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Women get things done because they're working within a framework that looks to address their needs. The reason we don't think of it this way is because feminists have done a lot to act as if this isn't true. The irony is that feminism wouldn't exist if feminists were framing the world accurately. It's not laziness, it's that we have much larger hurdles to surmount before we can even begin to make progress for men's issues. This is why feminism is the primary problem to be dealt with: we need to …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/05/25 07:10 PM
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I don't know if they're necessarily "false." I'd say more that they convinced themselves of something. I know in the US I started noticing the drive to make sexual assault more openly discussed in about 2013. I assume that it happened around that time in the rest of the world. Basically, what a woman considers sexual assault as a result is not what a man would consider it - and I mean in terms of being a victim. So the rate against women is inflated by genuine feelings of being assaulted whereas…
/r/MensRights18/05/25 03:00 PM
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So is he just masculine? Or is he trying to get the Dems to reverse course? I don't really know what is happening here. Edit: I read a little on this and masculinity doesn't seem to even figure into what he's talking about or what's happening unless you see defiance and rabble rousing as something inherently masculine. I didn't really believe that Hogg would be a meaningful supporter of ours and, from what I read, he probably isn't.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/05/25 02:11 PM
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This is Australia, but in the US, the Dear Colleagues Letter came out in 2011. Arguably, the effects were probably global. It's likely a reporting issue rather than a perpetuation issue.
/r/MensRights18/05/25 02:03 PM
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Oh, no, I think things are inequal.
/r/MensRights18/05/25 01:36 PM
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I would have liked to hear more about David Hogg since I don't really have a clue what he's trying to do.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/05/25 07:58 PM
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What I find interesting is that this idea of "smashing the patriarchy" to realign gender roles is what got me interested in feminism in the first place - which inevitably led me to Men's Rights. What I found interesting on that journey is that Warren Farrell joined the feminist movement in, I believe, the sixties with the same idea in mind. He then left in 1974 because, what I've gathered from interviews, he felt that they weren't serious about actually doing that. Since at least the sixties, th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/05/25 02:05 PM
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I have a question, were women really disallowed from opening bank accounts until 1974? Google's AI says yes, but nuance is not in any AI's wheelhouse that I've noticed. I can definitely see that information being misconstrued to ignore the reason why before I can see the idea that women were flatly denied the right to open a bank account until 1974 - namely, why, in the more common case of stay-at-home moms, why would a bank issue a credit card to someone who can only pay it off with her husband…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/05/25 01:56 PM
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In a lot of ways, I think many Americans (I'm going to narrow it to Americans because that's what it sounds like you're talking about and that's what I understand) can get on board with the progressivism that wants to give people safety nets and basically make life better/easier for everyone -- even conservatives these days outside of the racial immigration shit. The ideal being that the less people have to scrounge to survive, the better off society is. That's the "Left Wing" that I subscribe t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/05/25 05:07 PM
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Ah. "Real rape." The kind men can't actually experience. Gotta love how they belittle actual trauma.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/05/25 04:56 PM
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That makes sense
/r/MensRights16/05/25 01:27 PM
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Regression analysis on the sex of the therapist was not conducted? They weren't interested in finding out if that may have been a causal factor?
/r/MensRights15/05/25 06:29 PM
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Point by point. In 2010 to 2012, more men reported being raped by women that year than women by men as per the CDC's NISVS. The number for men remained stagnant, while the number for women doubled by 2017. This coincided with an information campaign about men raping women in all US colleges that recieved federal funding -- something that has never been done before for men. So, women are a significant portion of the aggressors (1/3 if you take the most recent survey at face value). That is an ove…
/r/MensRights15/05/25 12:00 AM
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It's for women with children. From what I understand though, it tends to go pretty far into a child's life that women can use it for themselves. As she mentioned, men can apply for their child. Men are not supposed to benefit from it, though women are up to a certain age for their child. It's supposed to be for breastfeeding mothers, but I've seen it go further along. Not complaining about it too much, but it really is a glaring oversight.
/r/MensRights14/05/25 11:23 PM
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How do you think men feel when they've been raped by a woman? I'd say equality is a bitch, but it's not remotely equal. It took 80 years for Israel to go from being mostly supportive of Palestinians to outright rejecting them. 100 years is plenty to reverse course. The reason why American blacks have had such a hard time is because even after equal rights was passed in 1965, things didn't completely change. I'd say only within the last 40 years has that been less of a problem, but, because of th…
/r/MensRights14/05/25 10:40 PM
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Women got the right to vote over 100 years ago. No one is alive today that didn't have the right to vote. Men had it 50 years prior. Black men and women had a harder time voting than white women up until about 60 years ago if you go strictly by legislative actions which don't always pan out. Men aren't given a pass for rape. You seem to be referencing Brock Turner which was an aberration and was controversial because it was an aberration - the exceptions are not the rule.
/r/MensRights14/05/25 10:23 PM
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It's for Women, Infants and Children. It's literally what you described didn't exist.
/r/MensRights14/05/25 09:48 PM
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WIC?
/r/MensRights14/05/25 09:36 PM
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Early feminism was rife with white supremacy, but that's partly because that was a common idea in society. The problem I often see if how modern feminists tend to white wash a lot of those old arguments and propel them into the modern era.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/25 11:05 PM
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Neo-nazi website
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/25 07:00 PM
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Well see, they don't want the male immigrants. Don't worry, they're not prejudiced, though.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/05/25 01:55 PM
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A lot of the men I've seen here are "going through it." It's partly why I think OP has a point (and I don't think his issue is any more serious than most people's issues with abuse). I've never seen that phrase (or that addition to reddit) used to be genuine. It just seems like more internet gamesmanship to me. But, if you're being genuine, I'm sorry.
/r/MensRights29/04/25 01:02 AM
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You could try not being a dick. You know you don't care. He knows you don't care. We know you don't care. That's my point. Why don't we as a society agree that your behavior is just petty, abusive and ultimately unhelpful especially to people who really do need help. It's a form of belittling even asking for help in the first place which invalidates your original position... but that's because you don't take that position seriously, right?
/r/MensRights29/04/25 12:47 AM
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Why do people who tell people that they should seek help never give a shit if they actually recieve help?
/r/MensRights29/04/25 12:41 AM
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This went off the beaten path a little quickly.
/r/MensRights27/04/25 05:33 PM
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That wasn't really my question. Intersectionality revolves around privilege but, as far as I've seen, refuses to acknowledge that female privilege exists. It's not an ideology that seeks any sort of truth when they refuse to see the whole picture.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/25 01:49 AM
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I hate to be that redditor, but do you have a source?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/25 10:09 PM
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Does intersectionality admit that female privilege exists?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/25 09:38 PM
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If I recall, she actually does broadly refer to all women (hating) men. She might not have said "hate". I don't recall what word she used there, but her assessment was that all men hurt all women and all women resent all men because of it. It's sort of in line with the belief that feminists defend (and define) all women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/25 01:38 PM
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Do feminists really have ownership of the idea that men and women are pushed into gender roles? It's the obsession with patriarchy that seems to delegitimize their entire position. "Men are dominant, but refuse to dominate sometimes, with makes the women dominate, which is because the men dominate." I'm not kidding. This comes from Bell Hooks (paraphrased). We could streamline a lot of this thinking if we'd just abandon feminism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/25 02:23 PM
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Well I'm glad your son is doing better. Hopefully not a lot more of the whisky type incident. I'm pretty sure the ex I had had BPD too. Its rough. She's actually the only girlfriend that I felt loved by, but everything else was way too much. I learned that stoic "grey-rock" I think you called it from being with her though I was too caught up in the insanity while I was with her. The next ex wasn't happy with that tendency I had/have. If things are going poorly I try to step away and not react. I…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/25 10:43 PM
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What made your friendships good? With men or women. Platitudes are interesting, but reddit doesn't usually seem the best for genuine human connection. That's why I'm asking
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/25 07:08 PM
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This is cathartic. Yeah the empathy gap is very real. I always believe that the reason they say that women are more empathetic is because women are more empathetic to other women. They don't really consider men's lives and that doesn't figure into their calculus. Men are also more empathetic to women than women are to men, but that doesn't matter if you don't value how men are treated. There really is something that's hard to explain about being a single man. I was being a little hyperbolic when…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/25 05:56 PM
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What you're describing wasn't even what I was thinking about when I wrote that, but, man, does it speak to me. I had a similar experience. I only dated her for about a year, but that basically ended all my old friendships. I couldn't handle being with her any longer than I was. When we broke up, she wouldn't stop calling me and, for some reason, I couldn't block her (which wouldn't have mattered anyways because she would have called from a burner number). My sister changed my number without tell…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/25 01:43 PM
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The funny thing about those examples and that survey is I don't think those women would consider that rape so it wouldn't show on the survey. Surveys aren't great tools which is what I like about that 2007 study. It is horrendously common because it's so unseen. I'll get more into that with the next comment because that one spoke more to me.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/25 12:57 PM
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https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1854883/#:~:text=In%20nonreciprocally%20violent%20relationships%2C%20women%20were%20the%20perpetrators%20in%20more%20than%2070%25%20of%20the%20cases This is the study from 2007. I couldn't find the other one. The one I thought it was was the wrong study. I'll paste it if you want to see it. I don't know what it says.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/25 03:12 AM
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There's a post from TheTinMen called "The Dark Side of Girl Power" or something like that. It shows that when Xers and Boomers were asked if they would rape a woman/man if they could get away with it, men responded at a certain level higher than women. They did the same survey with millenials (maybe gen z I can't remember) and the numbers were inverted. With abuse, it gets a little complicated. There was a study done in 2007 by the NIH (I'll try to find it) that found that 25% of relationships a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/25 03:07 AM
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I noticed that tendency when I was growing up with teachers. I never understood why studies said that girls were more empathetic because I never saw that. Stats on (physical) abuse seem to bear out that something's amiss. I think boys are raised to be, as you said "gentlemen" (comparatively) and girls are raised to be, as you said, again, "girl bosses." It's not that boys shouldn't be raised to be kind and gentile, it's that girls should be raised similarly. Then we might have a healthy society …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/25 02:19 AM
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No offense intended because you seem sincere, but I think women are going to have a hard time wrapping their minds around these issues since men seem to have a hard enough time themselves. Most of the suggestions here seem pretty good, but I think the homophobia excuse is a little trite. I see this argument evolve out of the idea that men are afraid of close connection which tends to come from the idea that men are closed off emotionally. That's where the crying in public argument falls into pla…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/25 12:46 AM
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My issue with that is this: While I can probably respect your actual position, feminist narratives, even when they claim to be even-handed, are misleading. Some feminists (like you maybe) don't see the harm feminists narratives cause. The problem I have with feminism (even the kind that claims to be about equality) is that they all feed off the same narratives. So one feminist can take a narrative and believe that men are born rapists. Another will take the same narrative and attribute it to "to…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/25 04:58 PM
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I read long enough to know you didn't read the study or understand statistical confidence.
/r/MensRights05/04/25 03:08 PM
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This is too much bullshit from the mouth (or keyboard) to read or respond to
/r/MensRights05/04/25 02:45 PM
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Find the source. There's three studies I believe that fill within those parameters. One is from 2007 from NIH I think. The other two are more recent. You'll find them all here if you aren't just trolling.
/r/MensRights05/04/25 01:56 PM
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What a thoughtful take. I guess I should disregard the research that's been repeated recently that finds that 70% of unilateral abuse in heterosexual relationships is perpetrated by women. I think the reality is a little more complicated.
/r/MensRights05/04/25 01:53 PM
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Wall! For the deeper conversations.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/04/25 01:16 PM
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Hopefully you've abandoned Feminism. That's not healthy. Equality is great. Feminism is not equality.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/25 08:31 PM
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So using that logic... I choose the bear, too?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/25 08:26 PM
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Bell Hooks is also pretty sexist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/25 01:29 PM
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Also the idea that women hold positions of power and hold sexist viewpoints seems less than an afterthought. The second commenter would be correct if they had a consistent understanding of institutional power.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/03/25 07:23 PM
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I'm always curious why you lot believe this. I hear it often, but it's never really justified. It's just something you all say and you all believe. Why? How does this not make you blind ideologues when you don't actually support your claims - that are patently false, I might add.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/03/25 10:59 PM
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I wish I saw more of this perspective. That saying hits, but most won't react with violence, they'll just suffer.
/r/MensRights22/03/25 03:15 PM
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Women make up around 80% of perpetrators according to NISVS.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/25 01:57 PM
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Ah man. You have something up your ass for some reason.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/25 05:32 AM
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Perhaps. The old studies seem to be surveys "did this happen to you etc." The 2007 study was unique in that it tracked couples and it asked both partners. I don't recall if it really defines this, but my thinking is that women are more likely to admit both experiencing and perpetrating physical abuse.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/25 01:07 AM
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The prevalence of it is newer. It used to be pretty evenly split when they started studying it in the 70s. Then there was a study done in 2007 that looked at xennials and millenials (28 to 18 at the time) that found numbers similar to these. I don't think this is the same study, but there's been other studies that pretty much replicate these results. They've also done studies on how willing to rape people are. They found that, with boomers and xers, men were more likely to say that they would ra…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/03/25 02:59 PM
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There's some evidence to suggest that this is a millennial and younger problem.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/03/25 04:26 AM
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There's so many inconsistencies within their own intellectual frameworks, acknowledging that sexism is bad is literally the least they could do.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/02/25 07:36 PM
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Sounds like a betting person should be less likely to vote for women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/02/25 05:39 PM
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From what I understand, voters are more likely to vote for women, women are just less likely to run. It's true that the average voter is a little sexist, just not against women. As for domestic violence, I prefer the argument that most deaths resulting from domestic violence is a result of reciprocal violence. That's how it gets escalated to the point of death. It's not men just willy nilly beating their wives to death because she didn't cook his dinner right. A more likely scenario is she accus…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/02/25 03:33 PM
1

Do you know what percentage of society makes up soldiers and police?
/r/MensRights26/02/25 12:19 AM
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Very in depth analysis that fails to understand why we punish violent crimes more severely than any other.
/r/MensRights25/02/25 11:32 PM
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We approve of violence? That's why we have prisons? I'd say added pressure combined with a macho subculture is the culprit. You can't have one without the other. If there wasn't pressure to make money and a market to make money, would the macho subculture exist? The pressure is what people overlook
/r/MensRights25/02/25 02:05 AM
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Sometimes violent crime is a job. That's where most of this violence comes from.
/r/MensRights24/02/25 03:22 PM
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And yet feminism wasn't the dominant social framing then that it is today.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/25 02:29 PM
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A lot of stereotypes about men seem to be rooted in stereotypes about black men: they're oversexed, predatory, inherently criminal, etc. I'm not certain of it, but I would guess that those attitudes didn't use to hold for white men. Now they do. That's what I meant by its the reverse of how I described it. Those stereotypes still exist for non-white men, they're just exaggerated and now white men are included to a lesser degree. Edit: I suppose I should include that, if you agree that those ster…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/25 11:39 PM
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The racial component seems to be that attitudes become exaggerated for non-white men. They're the same attitudes, just amplified. It probably works more in reverse though.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/25 04:55 PM
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Something about this thing reminds me of the feud between Sartre and Camus (excluding the non-violent part of course).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/25 10:36 PM
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That's why I'm offended by the word "idiot" and waiting for "retarded" to take its rightful place on the treadmill of offensive words.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/25 11:52 PM
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So much about the gender conversation bothers me: simply put, "men vs. women." Thank you for centering the conversation on "yes, men are indeed human" and that these data points are just expressions of that overlooked fact. Keep up the good work.
/r/MensRights19/02/25 11:34 PM
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The Obama years are when they decided to disregard men as voters (if not as people). It started with the Dear Colleagues letter.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/25 03:34 PM
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There was a study posted in LWMA about how morality is often imposed on women's bodies, and, while maybe a man's actions aren't considered his body, there's a whole lot of rhetoric about men "disappointing" women or failing to meet their standards. I'm sorry, but they're not my mother and I don't want to meet their standards if they're not worth talking to - which is about where I'm at with AWDTSG and online dating.
/r/MensRights18/02/25 08:45 PM
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"Misandry kills, misogyny irritates"? I'm going to start using that just to irritate.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/02/25 08:38 PM
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A source exists, so yes, these numbers are sourced if that's your question, but I can't share them because I don't collect links to win pointless arguments online with people who really don't care about what the source says to begin with. I decided a while ago that was a waste of my time. Do you have no numbers that you're relying on? Because that's as far as you've demonstrated. I do remember the 6% study, that's Lisak et al. I don't recall the date, but it might be 2007. "Lisak et al" will pro…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/02/25 02:07 AM
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I found it interesting that looking into this was originally (according to this) suggested in 1998. I think rates have increased since then based on other studies that are related.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/02/25 01:03 AM
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I don't have a source. What have you seen? I've seen studies that go from about 50% to about 20%. The 50% one was a study on the military specifically. The rest tended to fall from about 33% to about 20%. One study said 6% (often misattributed as 2% because that falls within the margin of error and 2% is the often cited unattributed claim from the 70s). The study that claimed 6% really claims anywhere from 2% to about 54% seeing as most of the cases couldn't be positively identified and they con…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/02/25 12:21 AM
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It certainly promotes the idea that false accusations are rare which isn't very true, unless you think 1/5 is considered rare. If false accusations are rare, then, most likely the accused is guilty, which is also promoted by feminism. It directly stands in the way of vindicating victims of false accusations by claiming they don't (or more accurately - which isn't the narrative - seldom) exist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/02/25 12:06 AM
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I didn't say that Henry VIII was polygamous. I merely suggested that people might consider his long list of wives something similar. It wasn't aligned with the attitudes of the time was more what I was getting at. Polygamy, though, has been a tradition in many parts of the world for the ruling class, just not very common in Europe. It goes against their understanding of Christianity and it likely wasn't very common prior to Christianity seeing as most of what we call Easter now is aligned with p…
/r/MensRights14/02/25 02:11 AM
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It's sort of a counterfactual. I don't think primanocta was much of a thing in medieval Europe. This could be because polygamy was never sanctioned. You have obvious sort of exceptions with kings like Henry VIII. I'm guessing you're comparing that to the "chad" phenomena we see on dating apps? Considering monogamy was pretty much the rule of the land and there are less men than women, this probably wasn't a huge concern - especially not compared to now. This is partly why you don't really have a…
/r/MensRights13/02/25 07:44 PM
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Likely it gave her some status. She probably would have become a burden to her father again as a result of a man who couldn't provide for her. Marriage was likely state/society enforced much in the way it is now. You listen to people getting married today and they often talk about "the next step." Both people are engaging in a ritual that makes them more useful or desirable to the society: breeding - then and now if you take tax benefits for children into account. The man's duty was to provide a…
/r/MensRights13/02/25 07:15 PM
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What you're talking about, though, is more like 10,000 years ago. She probably could survive, but she would be somewhat of an outcast. A man might be treated similarly. Edit: At that time, she'd probably most likely be a burden to her father and, as I said, she wouldn't be a part of the overarching social order. Just an old maid. A man would likewise be expected to marry and, if he didn't, would probably be considered the local weirdo or town drunk. Even as the town drunk he'd probably still hav…
/r/MensRights13/02/25 06:46 PM
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1000 years ago was 200 years after Charlesmagnes coronation in the West. Hunter gatherer societies weren't all that common. Serfdom limited people's movements and enforced social roles in their own way, but they were a far cry from what we understand as "tribal."
/r/MensRights13/02/25 06:37 PM
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The men... wait...
/r/MensRights13/02/25 06:00 PM
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You're misunderstanding abuse. I don't think most men in shitty relationships are there for the sex. Most probably aren't getting much anyways and, if they cheat, it's probably not about sex.
/r/MensRights12/02/25 11:02 PM
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You know they drove into the Levant right? Jerusalem. Where they quickly lost their hold because they were deep in the heart of enemy territory and were easily surrounded because they didn't really even have a border they were defending.
/r/MensRights12/02/25 07:02 PM
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Feminism is female chauvinism and feminism primarily influences mainstream culture with MRAs and, say, redpillers being a divergent subculture. Chauvinism doesn't just see the Other (men in this case) as different, they see the Other as inferior. They will give a woman every rational benefit, but a male (the terms being used intentionally here) is something foreign and less deserving of beneficial consideration. In some ways Othering is a fundamental part of chauvinistic ideologies, in other way…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/02/25 12:22 AM
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So, in your analogy, feminists are the "All Lives Matter" folks? Sounds about right.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/25 05:03 PM
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There's a study from 2007 that tends to back up this claim. They don't give numbers, but the researchers claimed that, in reciprocal violence, women tended to provoke. The overall findings align with this study it seems considering statistical variance.
/r/MensRights09/02/25 03:45 PM
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And yet, colleges don't do the spirit of justice, well, justice using title ix as a hammer. It may have done good (that's up for debate seeing as attitudes about women as professionals were changing at the time of its passage), but that doesn't mean that it isn't used to deny men the right to equal access to education.
/r/MensRights09/02/25 03:04 PM
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A lot of the comments I'm reading don't address the positive spin they put on this article. These people really think that white women are an underserved group (at a majority of executive positions now). They're not living in reality.
/r/MensRights09/02/25 02:00 PM
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On the subject of this: no shit. On the substance of this: this is the same "dark triad" drivel that makes a mockery of any scientific aspect of psychology that there is left. This is, in essence, bullshit.
/r/MensRights03/02/25 02:38 PM
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The Mamluks were technically ruled by men, but more practically by the harems. History gets complicated and most westerners tend to revolve their thinking around how the Roman Empire panned out throughout Europe. Even then, they don't see the nuances that existed.
/r/MensRights01/02/25 09:21 PM
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Men's Rights Advocates. They're more often than not men who want to be integral parts of their children's lives. Often they're men who want society to value men in any measure comparable to how society values women. A lot of it is analogous to how feminists rally around women's issues like abortion. Most MRAs recognize that feminism is a one sided, chauvinistic coin. Not all, but most try to be a sincere realization of what feminism claims to be, i.e. not a chauvinistic movement. Some fail in th…
/r/MensRights31/01/25 11:23 PM
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I tend to agree with the decisions that preceded the overturning of roe (that first trimester is a good rule). That's where paper abortions would be imperfect: what if she didn't find out or didn't tell her boyfriend/husband until after the first trimester. And yes, paper abortions wouldn't be the same as abortions. But sometimes the man wants the baby without having any say. He still wouldn't under this idea, but you shouldn't be able to force someone into such an onerous position. The way it i…
/r/MensRights31/01/25 10:10 PM
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I think what you're getting at is that it can't be made equally biologically? They wouldn't so much take away responsibility for every man. The idea, as I understand it, would be that a man would be allowed to decide whether or not he was going to abdicate responsibility and, in so doing, would give up having a role in his child's life (if he chooses to give up responsibility). You can't force a woman to get an abortion, but you can let a man decide whether or not he's willing to take on the res…
/r/MensRights31/01/25 09:46 PM
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So called "paper abortions." They're also supposedly working on male birth controls. I don't really follow the birth control part.
/r/MensRights31/01/25 08:09 PM
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I vote Frodo
/r/MensRights30/01/25 10:54 PM
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I didn't listen long. She's citing things from over 20 years ago that have been redone since, guaranteed. She's cherry picking which is why this doesn't make sense.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/01/25 02:27 PM
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They aren't ignorant, they're full of shit.
/r/MensRights28/01/25 03:29 PM
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I've always found it strange that feminists don't recognize it as traumatic. Their logic is that false accusations need to be forgiven to ensure that real rape accusations aren't undermined. Reframe their logic as some rapes need to be forgiven in order for other rapes to be justified and you wind up seeing their logic laid bare. In fact, they tend to feel that way with real rape as long as the rape in question happens to a man. It's disturbing actually.
/r/MensRights27/01/25 10:57 PM
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They say that the trauma of a false accusation isn't very different from the trauma of actual rape. Just think about the consequences: both are a denial of one's own control over life and limb. That's a recipe for trauma. I wish people would actually take that reality into consideration. I hope the best for your brother and your family. It can be rough on family members too.
/r/MensRights26/01/25 04:03 PM
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I've always likened that doublethink to a form of societal emotional abuse - gaslighting, if you will.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/25 03:23 PM
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They get good benefits and a comfortable wage despite the claims that I assume you're referring to. It's a better job than most and the quality of their work seems to be steadily declining year after year. At least the market tends to charge less for shoddy craftsmanship.
/r/MensRights25/01/25 04:10 PM
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Am I reading this right? 30% opened up to professionals (70% didn't) and all of that 30% reported being dismissed or ridiculed? Glad to see the number is much smaller for family and friends. You'd think professionals should be better equipped to help though.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/25 03:41 PM
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I guess we know who's allowed to rant and who isn't. The mods did take down the post though which made me feel better.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/25 04:12 PM
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You mean the movement that made a point to tell men - who are raped almost as often as women, by women - that their stories don't just not matter, but they're infringing on women? That metoo movement? Yeah, no. I believe in holding abusers and rapists to account in an egalitarian way rather than making a point to cover for half of those abusers and rapists. On the plus side, men's stories probably did come out despite the propaganda.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/01/25 06:15 PM
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Feminism is here to stay for a long time. But since the Metoo movement, it's taken a battering as it became more and more unhinged. I think this unhinged brand that is apparent in the post they're talking about is on its way out for a while. They'll moderate themselves. They'll become less openly misandristic. The underlying ideology will be cancerous as it's always been, but it'll be tempered. The Dems in the US will have to temper it if they want to reassert themselves.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/25 10:53 PM
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"Dick" is the operative word there. I think they're taking it literally.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/25 10:12 PM
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If it makes you feel better, I think that post is a good representation of a dying ideology in the death throes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/25 09:26 PM
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I've never heard D&D described quite so interestingly on both accounts. That made me chuckle.
/r/MensRights18/01/25 04:08 PM
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I'm actually really curious how this turns out. Good on you for sticking to your ideals and I hope it turns out well for you.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/01/25 09:50 PM
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I'm assuming she wasn't an advocate for abolishing landlording? I read her because a feminist suggested that she was a male friendly feminist. I found her not to be. I also realized why so many feminists who love her are on the aggressively horny side to put things mildly. She does fit in nicely with a historical narrative though. She's informed an entire generation of now active feminists. Her thoughts (as well as Real's) are useful in understanding why we are where we are. Edit: Just read your…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/25 01:57 AM
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He's heavily cited by Bell Hooks in "Will to Change." From what she cites, his main argument is that fathers teach boys to act tough and that they hold each other to that standard (peer pressure being the primary operative element). I didn't read the book she cited, but I read his first book which gave a scientific veneer to feminist claims that men needed to get in touch with their "feminine side" that had been circulating for a decade before the release of "I Don't Want to Talk About It." Doub…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/25 12:17 AM
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I want to like Reeves because he does push back on things like the use of "toxic masculinity," but I wish he'd be more even handed when he's presented with data like this. He claims it's not a feminist "plot" to make boys do poorly in school, yet they seem to definitely have a gender bias. What's the difference? Feminism has been creating this gender bias whether or not it's a "plot."
/r/MensRights15/01/25 11:57 PM
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Wait, did they say that because they couldn't find information on IPV leading men to kill themselves (abused to the point of suicide) they instead looked at how many men who killed themselves perpetrated IPV? Am I reading this right?
/r/MensRights15/01/25 11:51 PM
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I thought that a lot of women couldn't open credit accounts until the 70s. I always figured it was because stay and home moms didn't technically have an income therefore couldn't technically pay off their credit card.
/r/MensRights15/01/25 11:39 PM
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Can someone send this to Terrance Real? He needs to read it and probably retract his entire body of writing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/25 11:32 PM
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The way it always seemed to me - and some research tends to confirm this observation - was that teachers didn't feel it was their job to educate boys. That's what I've always seen as the k - 12 problem. If you're treated like fodder for long enough, you begin to see yourself as disposable.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/25 08:13 PM
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I appreciate your overall sentiment. I wasn't happy to see Trump win, but I was happy to see Harris lose. Such is the case in US politics. To be fair, I don't think it's affirmative action that makes women 70% of college enrollment. There's reports that colleges actually relax standards to admit more men in order to make the colleges more desirable for women - women don't want their version of a sausage fest either it turns out. The real issue, it seems to me, is that k-12 is stacked against boy…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/25 03:20 PM
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Well that was breath of fresh air! Thanks for the insight.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/01/25 05:06 PM
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On some level, advocating against feminism is a worthwhile endeavor. On another level, I do have a question: are there any men's domestic violence shelters? For me, I'm curious if there are any in the US, but it's a valid question for anywhere. I know of CAFE. I'm wondering if anyone can share their website. Are any of these shelters legally considered non-profits (501c3 in the US)? If none are, what realistic steps can be made to secure that designation for one? I'm not saying that any shelters…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/25 05:37 PM
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You're right in that regard. I think Reeves is a net positive. My issue - and it seems like other people's issue - is that Reeves tends to see men's issues instinctively as worthy of bringing up, but his dogma seems to temper his message a bit. The hope would be that people who see this come to places like this sub and realize that there is a lot of issues that revolve around boys and men's basic humanity. Reeves doesn't do a good job of articulating that, but he might be a good means of broaden…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/25 02:41 AM
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Have you read "Of Boys and Men"? He tends to focus on more utilitarian aspects of our lives: how much we can earn and how we can contribute to the economy. I don't think his message is about compassion for men which is why Obama probably didn't learn that his tactics were actually pretty grotesque.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/25 03:19 PM
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I was going to add that it resembles how dogma infects peoples ideas. I don't think it can really be considered dishonest, but you're right that sometimes stupidity and dishonesty look and act similarly: the average feminist you meet doesn't understand that, for example, men have long been at least equal victims of domestic violence; Gloria Steinhem probably does.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/12/24 03:55 PM
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It's not exactly a form of intelligence. That's not really what it's programmed to be.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/12/24 02:10 AM
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I get what you're saying. I go back and forth myself. It just seems a shame for sincerity to be wasted on people who are a little bit duplicitous. I find this site to be a black hole sometimes.
/r/MensRights23/12/24 01:32 AM
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So much energy on here is wasted on being sincere. I agree with you. I know what you're talking about. She knows what you're talking about, she just doesn't care... because you're right.
/r/MensRights22/12/24 10:49 PM
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From what I understand, the era of violent porn was in the mid 2000s. It didn't sell very well so it fell out of favor. But that change in direction didn't stop anti-porn feminists from pretending that the era lives on and is thriving. These days, traditional conservatives took up the same mantle when they talk about population decline: its all that porn that those boys are watching. I'm sure there is violent porn around still today, but I'd expect that if you randomly sampled it, you'd find tha…
/r/MensRights22/12/24 09:02 PM
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The feminist narrative. I've always found anti-porn feminism interesting how closely linked to traditional conservativism they are.
/r/MensRights22/12/24 08:41 PM
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Well, you're not totally unreasonable, but you definitely swallowed the hook on the narrative.
/r/MensRights22/12/24 08:31 PM
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What is this study you keep referencing? Everything I've seen says that the perpetuation rates skew slightly male, but not in a way that really justifies the social narrative - the narrative that you're putting forward.
/r/MensRights20/12/24 03:23 PM
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I think the answer is that "access" doesn't mean "care."
/r/MensRights19/12/24 07:25 PM
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It's just based on what they could see in a photograph. The only clue to anti-social tendencies is that it's supposed to be an unprovoked attack outside a bar.
/r/MensRights18/12/24 01:18 AM
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At a glance, your source is the same as what I'm calling the NISVS 2015. Which is to say that it is the most recent study conducted by the CDC and is widely considered the most comprehensive. Also, I'm sorry that you're being deliberately dishonest.
/r/MensRights17/12/24 03:45 PM
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Well I've seen Humbolt cited before in a similar way. They seem to be an inflammatory source. This data doesn't include how women rape men so, of course, 99% of rapists would be men under those parameters. You're specifically misrepresenting "violence." In the context of this story, one might expect "violence" to be a reference to the nature of the rape rather than, as Humboldt is using it, simply a reference to the nature of the crime: "sexual violence." According to the CDC's NISVS from 2010-2…
/r/MensRights17/12/24 03:38 PM
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At first glance, you seem to be misusing the statistics you're citing.
/r/MensRights17/12/24 03:24 PM
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To be fair, your third one is also rape.
/r/MensRights16/12/24 07:01 PM
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What offends me is that her and Real (the source she uses most often) have done real damage. On one hand, you're right, men need to be allowed to open up. On the other hand, hers and Real's version of that is a greater mutilation of their feelings. The "patriarchy" is a better alternative than the one that Real offers which has become very popular. That's why her sincerity is important. The ideas that came from this book and Real's anthology have created real harm. It's a mistake to pedestalize …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/12/24 03:24 PM
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The problem is that her purpose for writing has nothing to do with helping boys and men. She cares exclusively about women and how women feel about men. She's expressed this pretty explicitly. In a similar vein, conservatives rumble about protecting women from transwomen in sports and in bathrooms. Do you also think they're being sincere? I'd argue that Hooks is less sincere than them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/12/24 02:28 PM
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I'm curious what the results are from your experiment if you wouldn't mind updating us. It would be nice to learn that feminists start caring about men's lives more than just how they can be utilized. I don't hold my breath.
/r/MensRights10/12/24 03:07 AM
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Good name
/r/MensRights10/12/24 02:38 AM
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Feminist
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/12/24 01:33 AM
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Its regularly cited
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/12/24 01:32 AM
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Men must throw themselves on the altar of woman with their wrists opened and women must allow them to do this. Sounds like we both need some change don't we? I hope they run you off this sub. You're a nitwit and an asshole.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/12/24 11:51 PM
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And men don't dominate women. Hooks is a lying piece of shit. That's my point. You sound like you don't care about men because you don't care about men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/12/24 11:35 PM
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Her analysis revolves around the concept of men must change in order for us to love them. She's saying women fail men because they expect them to be manly. That outlook has never helped a single man. The real thing that hurts men is what she is actually asserting: "we cannot love you because of this lie we foist on your shoulders [the lie that you are violent]. It is your fault and we hold you to it." No parent, no husband, no wife, no loving person thinks this way.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/12/24 11:34 PM
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Those numbers aren't random. They're memorized. You can look it up yourself using those numbers. That's why I provided them. Does that make sense to you? Do you know how to use Google?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/12/24 11:31 PM
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I don't keep track of the study. It's well known though. 2007, 25% of relationships of 18 to 28 year olds (millenials) exhibit violence (physical, not emotional abuse). 50% is reciprocal, 50% is unilateral. 30% of unilateral is male aggression, 70% of unilateral is female aggression. The researchers noted that women tended to initiate reciprocal violence. It was done by the CDC if I recall. Not at all the picture that Hooks paints - because Hooks is a grifter. What does any of the rest of that b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/12/24 11:25 PM
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That's why I provided context. The central theme of her book is that men are overwhelmingly violent even though that would be disproven three years after this book was published (women were more than twice as violent). This fallacy is called cherry picking. Yes some men are horrendously violent, but more women are that violent. Her entire book is based on a lie because she doesn't have a hint of empathy for men, she just fakes it with eloquence. Edit: You can't read this book with a sense of emp…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/12/24 11:09 PM
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Well I thought you were just a feminist troll. That's mainly who I interact with here because I'm always curious if people really think the things they think. Personally, I lean a little liberal but Harris made me swear off the dems and Obama convinced me to vote down ballot republican (against a guy I liked for a guy I don't like though the guy I liked won) when he lectured black men for not voting for Harris. I'm not fond of partisanship. It seems like that is the death of reason. There's a lo…
/r/MensRights09/12/24 11:00 PM
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Just provided one dipshit.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/12/24 10:55 PM
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"Women and children all over the world want men to die so that they can live. This is the most painful truth of male domination, that men wield patriarchal power in daily life in ways that are awesomely life-threatening, that women and children cower in fear and various states of powerlessness, believing that the only way out of their suffering, their only hope is for men to die, for the patriarchal father not to come home." This is in the introduction. The entire premise of her book is based on…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/12/24 10:54 PM
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If I didn't read the rest of the book, I might think she was sincere.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/12/24 10:49 PM
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Your comment was originally a tangential correction to something that was otherwise irrelevant. You're not living in reality. I assure you.
/r/MensRights09/12/24 08:57 PM
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Bell Hooks and "Will to Change" are trash. She doesn't understand or care about what boys and men face. In essence, her works are part of the problem of emotional repression for boys and men, not any help.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/12/24 08:54 PM
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Sounds like your head is ringing from your own echo chamber.
/r/MensRights09/12/24 08:47 PM
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Have you ever heard the bit from Alan Watts about the catholic and the protestant? I forget which is which in the "joke" (and I frankly don't care much being neither catholic nor protestant), but the (say) catholic speaks eloquently about what he thinks is morality under god's law, etc. etc. The protestant answers this explaining that he believes that everyone is, in their own way, in touch with god and has their own unique understanding of god's will. This makes the protestant better in the eye…
/r/MensRights14/11/24 05:48 AM
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You're antagonistic. That sums it up pretty well. You acted like I was OP when I'm really some guy who read you're first paragraph about how women want to work in manual labor but men are keeping them out and thought "this can't be real." (By the way, I see plenty of women working in manual labor and those are jobs no American citizen would touch. So somethings wrong with your calibration there.) The feminists who do genuinely believe in equality are, by necessity, not well versed in feminism. Y…
/r/MensRights14/11/24 05:23 AM
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You're a feminist or at least you're valorizing them, which means you make it harder for me to be seen as a human being. I can respect that some people genuinely believe that feminism is about equality (I don't assume you fall into this category), but even they support feminists who are unquestionably sexist.
/r/MensRights14/11/24 05:12 AM
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You're not fighting for my rights, you're fighting against them and I can tell at this point that you're a prick. By the way, not the OP. I agree with your second paragraph, which is how I realized that the first one wasn't satire.
/r/MensRights14/11/24 05:00 AM
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You're serious aren't you?
/r/MensRights14/11/24 04:45 AM
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Huh?
/r/MensRights26/07/24 06:38 PM
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Yup. I tend to be more sympathetic to the right not dealing with women's issues, though. Ironically, because apparently, we have some angry pro-lifers.
/r/MensRights26/07/24 01:22 AM
1

Sorry if I'm coming off as a dick. I don't really mean to be. It's just that Terrance Real really poisoned the well and now you either have people outright rejecting the feminist narrative (men must be stoic) or accepting it (men must learn to express their feelings). It gets exasperating. I feel like I'm in no-mans-land on the topic of male gender roles so often and people touch on it so lightly these days it's insane. "The Boys" describes it perfectly in the new season when they talk about how…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/07/24 01:16 AM
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Due process rights for men in college or abortion rights for women in all 50 states. Why can't we just all have rights?
/r/MensRights25/07/24 11:37 PM
3

I didn't feel like you were trivializing it and I can understand why you thought what you did. The problem is that the way society interacts with men seems to be modeled on an abusive relationship. This is why, I think, men are so focused on relationships and advocacy for men's issues is often seen as misogyny: abusive relationships are normalized and encouraged. So there's a lot of issues with "patriarchy" and it's a little more than semantics. I have read "Will to Change" by Bell Hooks (and ye…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/07/24 10:55 PM
2

I think it's a lot more complicated than men trying to be what women want, and it's just easier to point out that women tend to want a "stoic" man. I don't think we really observe the gender dynamics because we're overburdened with feminist propaganda. All that is to say that I think men are conditioned from birth to be the one who gives themself up. It's not necessarily for the sake of a relationship. Even if a woman wants an emotionally "open" man, that dynamic is still usually at play. He's "…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/07/24 07:00 PM
11

Wanting a traditional life is a youtube fad going on now. Men are pretty well bound to the traditional gender role. If they don't want it, they most often have to stay away from dating. Your man is lucky you don't hold him to it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/07/24 12:22 AM
11

I don't think it's for traditions' sake most of the time. I think that idea is for youtube and Instagram more than reality.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/07/24 12:10 AM
18

You've had trouble with the "empaths" too I see. Glad I'm not alone.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/07/24 12:05 AM
2

TIL. Either way, we have piss poor memories collectively.
/r/MensRights24/07/24 04:36 PM
5

We're trained to have the memory span of goldfish.
/r/MensRights24/07/24 02:15 PM
29

I'm beginning to think that's more of a narrative and less of a truth.
/r/MensRights23/07/24 09:17 PM
34

Yeah, we did it a lot to black men. Most of those are now presumed to be innocent.
/r/MensRights23/07/24 07:20 PM
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When has society "enabled and excused" rape? We used to hang and set on fire innocent people for just being accused of it. At least we don't do that anymore. Do they want to go back to that?
/r/MensRights23/07/24 07:17 PM
11

?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/07/24 04:55 AM
10

My assumption, when it comes to non-reciprocal violence, is that it's usually what we tend to think of as domestic abuse. It's the person in control forcing their partner into submission. I actually find the idea that a person responds to sustained emotional or psychological abuse with violence a little silly having been there myself. It's also a little silly to think that a person who uses psychological or emotional abuse as a tool would simply take their partner fighting back physically withou…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/07/24 04:22 AM
30

Have you ever been in an argument where someone keeps changing the framing so that they can "win" even though the initial point is never fully addressed? That's what this seems like. IPV and something like gang violence don't belong in the same conversation. A lot of the "by other men" talk is referring to things like gang violence. Should we try to understand why men are more likely to engage in that particular kind of violence? Sure, but that has little to do with IPV. The interesting thing ab…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/24 11:44 PM
15

Yeah, it also contradicts that, too. I see the point they're trying to make, but I don't like it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/24 11:07 PM
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I find it funny how quickly they contradict themselves: female violence is less serious, but we need to not invalidate victims. Do they mean female victims? Another thing is the assumption that a portion of non-reciprocal violence by women is a reaction to abuse. Would they offer the same assumption to a man non-reciprocally physically abusing their female partner. They want to sound equitable, and I can appreciate that, but they don't seem to be there yet. Edit: also the idea that women being v…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/24 11:00 PM
3

"Men can whip it out and pee anywhere." Gee, I wonder why I never thought of that.
/r/MensRights22/07/24 04:46 PM
21

I agree. That was why I was implying that male gender roles were pro-feminist. I've found the toxic vs. positive masculinity a very strange concept. It's always seemed to depend heavily on the female gaze. For example, if you were to apply a similar concept to women, being overweight would be a form of toxic femininity.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/07/24 11:42 PM
54

You see, liberating men from gender norms is against men's liberation... or is it not pro-feminist? MensLib is a dumpster fire. It is refreshing to see opinions like this, though. Thank you for sharing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/07/24 07:52 PM
2

Yeah I don't know where I saw it. I just know that mental Healthcare is hilariously bad. A tragic kind of hilarious.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/07/24 04:31 PM
17

I don't have a source, but I've heard that 80% of men who kill themselves go to therapy. It's almost like therapy doesn't help men who are suicidal. Maybe it doesn't help people who are suicidal. Does it help?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/07/24 02:24 PM
2

Thanks. I'll keep it bookmarked
/r/MensRights19/07/24 04:03 AM
4

The National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey : 2015 data brief – updated release (cdc.gov) This isn't the survey I think I used. I think I used the 2016-2017 survey which showed a more lopsided result. The CDC appears to have removed these surveys from their site so I can't direct you to the 2010-2012 study or the 2016-2017. What I did was took their extrapolations for the 12 month figures that include the gender of the perpetrator. For calculating men, you have to add in both the ra…
/r/MensRights18/07/24 06:26 PM
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I don't think a lot of people realize it, but a conservative estimate on perpetuation rates between men and women is about 3 to 2. There aren't that many fewer female rapists than male rapists. It would be more honest to say that perpetuation rates are similar. Edit: "are" to "aren't" and a few words
/r/MensRights18/07/24 01:52 PM
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He sums up what he sees as a viable solution for men in the last 3 minutes or so: Essentially, "the left" - as he says - needs to restore the working class economy. He's not wrong. A lot of the problems that men face are economic issues. The problem is how to fix it? I'm sure he doesn't conflate "the left" with the democrats, but who are you going to vote for? What movement are you going to support if you believe in leftist ideals? What have the democrats actually done to bring liveable wages to…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/07/24 12:36 AM
7

Did you see the comment about how the other guy is a liar? I mean, I know that people are full of shit online a lot, but that really doesn't help with the idea that she believes men can be raped too. To me, it sounds like she's willing to put on a front that she believes men can be raped while also believing (and advocating for the viewpoint) that men can't be raped. I'm sorry, but even the second comic about women's experiences is part of an ongoing barrage to make it seem like women have it wo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/07/24 07:31 PM
17

I'm going to go out on a limb because I think accuracy is important and say that I think points 2, 4, and 7 aren't totally accurate for feminists. Women, in general, tend to want these things, and feminists are sort of milquetoast about changing them, so I see your point. I left off 3 because I think your average feminist would speak out against it until it came time to change it. Then they'd speak in favor of it. No one ever said they had integrity. Ultimately, though, I do agree, feminists sup…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/07/24 09:49 PM
6

Yeah I was mostly thinking Cluster B.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/07/24 01:10 PM
19

Sorry if you took offense, but your response is much more civil than I'm used to, so I appreciate that about you.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/07/24 02:55 AM
63

Sounds like someone with a personality disorder, doesn't it?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/07/24 01:53 AM
36

Yeah I muted r/comics because I got tired of her. A shame, too. I enjoyed her stuff before she started the gender stuff
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/24 07:01 PM
3

This whole story is pretty sad
/r/MensRights11/07/24 02:13 PM
7

This was cute
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/24 01:57 PM
1

Thanks. I hope for the best for you too.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/24 05:10 PM
1

"Chad" tells me a lot Edit: I'm not trying to be an asshole. I'm sorry. It's just the grifty language makes me uncomfortable.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/24 04:53 PM
1

No offense, but this sounds like the bullshit that leads to a dating coach service. They just aren't good conversationalists.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/24 04:37 PM
3

Well I misunderstood what he was trying to say. It has been a little weird that people want me to believe something I've never heard is commonplace though.
/r/MensRights10/07/24 02:32 AM
6

I have a friend who's bi who says the same thing. Her reason (though partly about abuse) is more that she feels men love her back.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/24 01:19 AM
4

Not to me. I think that's more of a stereotype than a reality. Edit: now that I think about it, this is the first time I'm hearing this claim ever. In fact it seems to run contrary to the idea of urinal etiquette which is less of a joke than it is serious.
/r/MensRights09/07/24 09:54 PM
7

No I get that she's saying it's not good that men have to get naked in front of women, but she's also saying that it's not a problem for most men. She contradicts herself
/r/MensRights09/07/24 09:54 PM
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Where does she get that modesty in men is rare? How is that not the same as saying most men aren't modest? We need more men in Healthcare, but she seems to lean into problematic understandings of men.
/r/MensRights09/07/24 07:16 PM
22

Dating apps suck which is a big part of the problem. But I think half of it is that the app is designed to keep you swiping, and the other half is that women (probably people in general but I don't date men) are really bad at dating. Every conversation is like pulling teeth, and they die off after a day or two. I'd imagine the only men who are successful are the ones who are looking for a one night stand.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/07/24 06:40 PM
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For as often as we hear the back and forth tropes of "not enough good men" (seeking male partners) or "all men are trash" (not seeking male partners) like this article seems to promote, I wonder what men by and large think. I think it's assumed that men are just waiting on the sidelines to be that terrible partner when a woman decides she wants it. But my limited interaction with the manosphere shows me that men are also pretty fed up with women. I always wonder if this back and forth I see a lo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/07/24 02:57 PM
3

Thanks. That was interesting.
/r/MensRights09/07/24 02:27 AM
7

I can't finish this. I got to where he started talking about how women didn't have choices in the recent past because they were economically powerless, and I just couldn't continue. That's such a feminist and very simplistic take.
/r/MensRights09/07/24 12:07 AM
3

What works of Nietzche criticize stoicism. I want to read them.
/r/MensRights08/07/24 11:50 PM
1

Is she still employable?
/r/MensRights08/07/24 10:11 PM
1

That sounds like it was probably an abusive relationship. I don't think most people conceptualize it that way because it's so normalized, but that's what it is. For me, getting to know myself again has been key. I always lose myself in relationships and it feels better once I can reconnect with myself.
/r/MensRights08/07/24 07:30 PM
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I don't know. I haven't completely given up myself, but I've never been in a good relationship, and I can't think of one off the top of my head except for maybe my parents. I think it's something woven pretty deep in our society (US for me). I'm hoping for a great awakening, but not holding my breath. I've kind of devoted myself to my work and my interests if it helps at all to hear. I've found that relationships divorce you from yourself, and being single gives you the opportunity to discover w…
/r/MensRights08/07/24 04:39 PM
3

That's been my experience, too. I'm sorry you had to go through that. People shouldn't be treated like that by the people who tell them they love them.
/r/MensRights08/07/24 03:48 PM
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In my experience there aren't many good ones
/r/MensRights08/07/24 01:19 PM
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It just gets tiring. It's not sexism that keeps women from working these jobs (at least not in the sense that this person is saying), and everyone knows it, but yet they fall back on it because, well, everyone knows that men are sexist /s. I had a friend work in a field not quite as male dominated as something like construction, but still male dominated, and she saw sexism in everything that the men did, even when they were trying to be nice or friendly to her. She wound up losing her job becaus…
/r/MensRights08/07/24 01:52 AM
69

I remember that being in a relationship is lonelier than being alone.
/r/MensRights08/07/24 12:58 AM
8

How does that refute gynocentrism? Male judges also tend to give lesser sentences to women and harsher sentences to men. The fact that it's men doing the bidding of society at large doesn't mean that gynocentrism isn't a foundational premise.
/r/MensRights07/07/24 07:09 PM
9

Do you have solutions or just criticisms?
/r/MensRights07/07/24 07:08 PM
2

Maybe, when more men start realizing that "believe all women" is a bad rule of thumb, the tables will start to tilt, and more women will start to realize it too. Then, people will start welcoming challenging flase claims, and false claimers will stop making them.
/r/MensRights06/07/24 02:43 PM
1

I've noticed this, too. When "toxic masculinity" came out, I found it ironic that all the male feminists were walking examples of it, yet held up as examples of positive masculinity. Not being caught up in the propaganda gets a little disturbing.
/r/MensRights06/07/24 02:39 PM
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I'm not really saying I hope he gets railroaded, I'm saying he's supported at least one man getting railroaded: Karmic justice
/r/MensRights05/07/24 07:48 PM
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I always liked Gaiman, and I hope this isn't true, but didn't he side with Amber Heard? Hasn't he always been sympathetic to feminism (if not one himself)? Maybe this is a bit of karma.
/r/MensRights05/07/24 07:45 PM
1

Yeah, I've been noticing that problem, too. It's one thing that I think I can directly point to social media and say, "Social media caused that." It's frustrating.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/24 10:42 PM
10

Is this sub becoming MensLib 2.0? So, I believe in questioning feminism. It's a chauvinistic ideology and, so-being, will never be a vehicle for equality unless it undergoes significant redress. I say pick it apart and either put it back together in a way that it has lucidity or toss it out with the other bad ideas of history. I think there's a lot to unpack here, but, in appreciating that your average man (and woman) will never hold economic or institutional power in a way that the term "patria…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/24 10:29 PM
13

I understand the need for a word that denotes "one who holds power," but why gender the word? Why is Hilary Clinton "an honorary man instead of simply "one who holds power?"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/24 09:09 PM
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Oh, it's missing your initial statement, so I was confused. I agree with you, and TooNuanced tends to spread misinformation. I stopped paying attention to feminists a while ago, but I remember them frustrating me when I was.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/24 07:51 PM
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What's insane about it?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/24 07:47 PM
10

I remember an article about how women are gaslit by society when they're called "crazy." After I read that article, I started seeing the word misused in the way that OP is asking about and the way it was misused in the article. I don't know if that's where it came from, but I've always suspected that was the source. What sucked is having a girlfriend who'd do shit that you could only describe as "crazy" and people would scold you for trying to explain the insane shit she did to you. I hate that …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/24 07:37 PM
3

What's with the reframing the word "patriarch" I've been seeing lately?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/24 07:33 PM
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I know she's a nutter, but I swear a lot of women I've known in my life think a watered-down version of this. It's why it's always been weird that people think that society thinks men are superior.
/r/MensRights02/07/24 12:50 AM
4

Not for most of the commenters. They're defending AskFeminists like they've been called to do.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/24 01:49 AM
4

So it's pseudoscience because they haven't studied it enough/ haven't developed criteria for studying it, and because it's misogynistic. Hmm. Well, a cure for prostate cancer must be pseudoscientific too.
/r/MensRights29/06/24 01:23 AM
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Her first example is an overused trope that men say "what was she wearing?" when a woman gets raped. The other two are actually common things that women say in response to men. In fact, I've heard 2 and 3 at least ten times more often than I've heard 1 from a man. It's weird. It's like the artist doesn't observe reality.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/06/24 11:26 PM
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I just ignored this comic earlier, but don't women actually say those things? It's supposed to be an example of how women don't act, right? But they do all of that more than men do, it seems.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/06/24 07:16 PM
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Well, both comments you shared are objectively false, so... that's where the conversation is at right now: one group trying to say that the sky is blue and the other side pointing out all the studies that do in fact exist that say without a doubt that the sky is, in fact, never blue.
/r/MensRights25/06/24 09:12 PM
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You've redefined "patriarch". Is a male judge a patriarch? What about a female judge? If both are, why use the term patriarch which is a term that basically means "male head of house." I've heard this redefinition used before and, while it's better than the typical usage of the term "patriarchy," it's mired in unnecessary gendering. It also ignores where the idea of patriarchy comes from, which comes from the correct definition of "patriarch."
/r/MensRights19/06/24 10:01 PM
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Yeah. I agree with you. I'm so tired of that stupid word.
/r/MensRights19/06/24 07:14 PM
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Why even call it patriarchy?
/r/MensRights19/06/24 07:08 PM
15

Men built patriarchy, and men oppress everyone, including themselves and each other. I didn't say it made sense, I said that the logic that you're referencing is used as evidence that men oppress women and everyone. My point is that academics still hold nonsensical views about gender.
/r/MensRights19/06/24 02:23 PM
16

What confuses you?
/r/MensRights19/06/24 02:11 PM
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That idea that patriarchy oppresses men is ironically part of the idea that men oppress women and benefit most from patriarchy. The stupidity perpetuates.
/r/MensRights19/06/24 02:03 PM
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You sound like you're writing in good faith, but your bias is clearly showing. Yes, this sub (and MensRights) isn't perfect, but it doesn't take a lot of looking to find problems with AskFeminists. It sounds like you are keen to apologize for their misgivings and keen to criticize the misgivings expressed here. You find what you expect to find. Don't worry, your experience is pretty standard, which is one thing that we try to point out here. Hope that clears some things up for you.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/24 09:41 PM
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Is there evidence that this is improving? 2012 is before this wave of feminism ramped up, and I've noticed that people slowly start realizing that there's a lot of double standards in how feminists perceive the world. Ironically, their hypocrisy benefits us a little. I'd be curious if there's more recent studies.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/06/24 02:01 PM
6

I just read the first comment: "No studies exist that illuminate the issue that you're talking about, so therefore, my biased interpretation must be the truth." Yup, that's what I expect these days.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/06/24 12:05 AM
5

Yeah, no
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/06/24 03:31 AM
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Oh, I thought "avoids" was your word. I didn't understand it in that context. I still don't understand it in their context. Does it mean that misandrists avoid men? Then why do they harass us? There's so many problems with misogyny vs. misandry from a feminist perspective that you have to start by reminding them that they're idiots and that everything they think stems from that.
/r/MensRights10/06/24 04:11 PM
7

Avoids?
/r/MensRights10/06/24 04:01 PM
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It was a useful metaphor and then it became stupid. I don't really find the pills to be a coherent set of philosophies. They're more fads for people to latch onto and they evolved from there.
/r/MensRights10/06/24 02:33 PM
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DV rates in NSW are up to .441% of the population in 2023 from .362% of the population in 2017. That's an increase of .079%. These statistics also completely ignore men as victims. Just to put it into context, autism is more than twice as common as DV against women and children (more often women) in NSW. I'm not saying that DV is irrelevant, I'm saying that the narrative that men are naturally abusive is tired. That data seems to suggest that a shockingly low proportion of men are actually viole…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/06/24 12:21 AM
1

60% sounds accurate. I dont remember specifically myself. If I recall correctly, the gap between men and women insofar as sentencing is concerned is greater than between black people and white people. I've always found cognitive dissonance around gender really interesting.
/r/MensRights08/06/24 02:57 PM
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I think male judges are actually easier on women. It's that or they're harsher on men.
/r/MensRights07/06/24 02:07 PM
0

It does sound like he fabricated part of the story by my limited insight into this, but it would be a shame for her to make more than 10k off that fact. She does sound like she was predatory and I'd hate for her to be rewarded for that behavior. I'm not looking forward to seeing how I think this is going to go.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/06/24 01:37 PM
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You can disregard Psychology Today from the outset.
/r/MensRights03/06/24 11:26 PM
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I get what you're saying and this is also what makes me feel alienated from whatever the fuck "left" means these days (I consider myself a progressive from 2008 which is about the time progressives left me behind). The interesting thing for me when observing this is how people understand black men/boys. If you try to wrap your mind around their experiences with law enforcement, it completely eludes the way that people on the "left" tend to view the world. It almost seems like society uses gender…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/24 01:22 AM
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I've always been amazed by that, too, and it does seem to be the root of her failing. I've had it explained to me that "gender" refers to the other and our society others women, so therefore, "gender" refers only to women. I don't think that's ever been true, though. I can understand how society others a minority. I don't think that process has ever or could ever apply to half the human population. A lot of these ideas revolve around this, almost, delusion of oppression. They tend to mimic the l…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/24 09:37 PM
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I agree with how you frame the problem. I wasn't fond of "Will to Change" because she doesn't seem to actually conceptualize how women often are a part of this thing they call patriarchy. She does acknowledge that women take part in it, but she addresses it as if it's a bug and not a feature. Maybe this has changed in the 20 years since she wrote the book, but it does seem like feminism takes an active role in this thing she frames as patriarchy. To suggest that a feminist world is in any way an…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/24 07:48 PM
4

Notice how much shit the guy gets for saying this. He's right. Women have terrible conversation skills. I don't know why, but they do.
/r/MensRights01/06/24 04:05 PM
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Ironically, this cutthroat tendency is one of the characteristics of this so-called "patriarchy." Essentially, they believe simultaneously that men compete ruthlessly with one another and also build a system that exclusively supports each other. "Stupid" is really the only word that describes this; "ignorance" doesn't suffice.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/24 01:34 PM
2

So now we need Title VII for all? I'd be curious if this VC is successful or not.
/r/MensRights31/05/24 08:51 PM
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We have a crisis in the devaluation of men as people. Some of that leads to legal issues (rights) and shitty role models, but those two options ignore the underlying problem.
/r/MensRights28/05/24 05:57 PM
2

Well, I'm glad you want to help out men and boys. Hopefully, more people jump on the bandwagon, and hopefully, we get the bandwagon straightened out. I get kind of what your issue is. This space has become a mirror image of what most of feminism is. Regarding this issue that I latched onto - that girls are discouraged from STEM - I know for a fact that that directly opposes established initiatives in education. He may be talking about what they sometimes call "the boys club" in areas dominated b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/24 01:18 PM
7

So, I appreciate that some of these issues require a holistic approach. You may be looking at this from an egalitarian perspective, but the issue revolves around gender chauvinists. They aren't interested in egalitarianism. This issue, however, is a bit either/or mostly because you're dealing exclusively with gender chauvinists. A feminist wants a boy to fail more than they want a girl to succeed. This issue specifically overlooks the fact that, I believe, since the 70s, they've been encouraging…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/24 03:14 AM
6

I get that you think you're helping, but you're not. One day, we have to sit back and realize that these claims are bullshit. The sooner we as a society start accepting that, the sooner we can start moving onto real issues. As long as we have the hurdle of considering women first, we won't make strides in a positive direction, which is why they beat this drum so hard. They know society feels compelled to address their issues first.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/24 12:34 AM
8

Wait, the ex wives have the legal right to restrict the fathers' interaction or the fathers have legal rights to see their kids?
/r/MensRights23/05/24 09:57 PM
11

Women have been encouraged to get into the hard sciences for over thirty years. It depends when this was published, but it sounds like post 2010. That means that everyone he's writing too was encouraged to go into engineering. This is bullshit. Edit: it might be over 50 years, but I'm less confident about that number.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/24 02:00 PM
4

Well kudos. We definitely need more people dispelling bullshit.
/r/MensRights23/05/24 01:38 AM
8

I appreciate this post and I appreciate your edits more. I knew it was bullshit, but I'm some idiot who just knows bullshit when I see it. I couldn't explain why it was bullshut.
/r/MensRights23/05/24 12:51 AM
5

Think of it this way: they're advertising who you should stay away from. Bear or these people? Bear.
/r/MensRights23/05/24 12:15 AM
6

I know this is nitpicky, but I hate the terms "hyperagency" and "hypoagency" because, while what you described is accurate, what a man accomplishes is not by his doing and what a woman accomplishes is by her doing - which would suggest that men have no agency and women have agency. It's a bias that's very much like gamma bias that those two terms ignore.
/r/MensRights22/05/24 07:51 PM
4

I still think "Maggie's Farm" is a good anti-feminist song "I ain't gonna work for Maggie's ma, no more No, I ain't gonna work for Maggie's ma, no more Well, she talks to all the servants about man and God and law And everybody says, she's the brains behind pa She's 68, but she says she's 24" It makes more sense in context. Basically, ma is the big bad.
/r/MensRights21/05/24 02:36 PM
34

That's why I supported the metoo movement... until they denied men the right to air their stories. Your narrative isn't real.
/r/MensRights21/05/24 02:18 PM
2

Thanks
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/05/24 12:27 AM
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It's been a while since I looked into this, but last I checked, the definition only includes women raping men if they penetrate them with an object. Essentially, penetration is necessary for it to be considered rape. That's kind of why I was asking. I thought the date was 2017, but I know it was the FBI's definition that I'm referring to. I've seen people say this definition includes female perpetrators, but, iirc, it doesn't actually include them unless they are using an object. Essentially, ar…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/05/24 11:37 PM
7

What changed in 2012?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/05/24 10:47 PM
2

Insightful. Thanks for sharing.
/r/MensRights18/05/24 08:18 PM
8

I think you're right. Unfortunately, they're also locked into the oppressor/oppressed dichotomy (though they have more of a legitimate stance). There isn't a lot of sympathy for heterosexual men, and feminists have wreaked havoc on them. A lot of lgbtq+ people fall in line with the narrative that heterosexual men are violent and oppressive, which isn't healthy for a vast majority of the male population. To be honest, I think that attitude might have significantly impacted the incel problem.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/05/24 08:05 PM
6

Well, they want men to join pro-feminist men's movement and, ironically, they want them to be both subservient and distinct, which flies in the face of the accepted stance on "separate but equal." Feminism has never been about equality and it likely never will be.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/05/24 05:04 PM
23

Except they never really did advocate for men's issues.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/05/24 02:50 PM
2

No. I mean, it doesn't rely on the husband pressing charges or not. The crime she committed was against the state. That means that regardless of what the husband wants, the state is supposed to try her. Yes, she pled for a reduced sentence... that was supposed to result in prison time also. The criminal justice system failed by every metric as it does over and over.
/r/MensRights14/05/24 10:38 PM
47

Yeah, but attempted murder doesn't really depend on what the husband wants. The system failed. Same reason (compassion for women), but it's systemic.
/r/MensRights13/05/24 07:00 PM
4

Out of curiosity, have you noticed how conservative feminism is when the subject of men comes up? That's the root of your misunderstanding, I think.
/r/MensRights10/05/24 01:55 PM
25

I'm struggling with your first sentence. Even if you believe women never push men for sex beyond the point of consent, society openly acknowledges that men push women beyond the point of consent. This has been well established for at least 30 years. The issue here is that women do to men what men do to women at a similar rate, yet we don't acknowledge it.
/r/MensRights21/04/24 03:13 AM
1

You take a long time to say nothing. Your source references modern society. How can you draw any evolutionary reasoning from a snapshot of today?
/r/MensRights19/04/24 02:10 PM
0

Sexual selection is entirely born from a person's psychology. Your rationale seems to be "people choose who they fuck, therefore women are hypergamous." It doesn't logically connect. Nice ad hominem, but this is stupid.
/r/MensRights19/04/24 01:51 PM
0

So it is Evo psych. You're just suggesting that biological urges somehow don't impact psychology and then saying there's a difference from that distinction. Your sources don't really address anything. Archeologists now believe that humans are monogamous in their "natural state" which calls to question the whole idea of hypergamy, but feminists and red pillers alike ignore this reality because it hasn't entered into the public consciousness. Much like with rape and domestic violence statistics, p…
/r/MensRights19/04/24 01:30 PM
-6

Which post? Edit: Read it. I'm not a huge fan of evolutionary psychology. It's an interesting look at some things, but too often, people draw conclusions that aren't backed by science. What I do know is that some claims of evolutionary psychology are directly refuted by archeological evidence. Archeological records show that we aren't hypergamous (ironically feminists seem to favor the polygamous and red pillers favor the hypergamous understandings), which is a foundation of this idea of innate …
/r/MensRights18/04/24 09:31 PM
0

No I'm in favor of the idea that gynocentrism isn't natural and I would say society treats women better than men.
/r/MensRights18/04/24 08:01 PM
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Thank you for posting this. This needs to be said more.
/r/MensRights18/04/24 07:06 PM
1

Will listen after work, but I haven't been a fan of Galloway's. He blames men too much. "Men arr watching porn! Oh my god!" Yeah. And? What do you expect them to do in this dating environment? Hopefully he's changed his tune.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/04/24 07:30 PM
1

Where have they banned home schooling?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/04/24 07:19 PM
5

Well, that was bizarre. I wasn't aware of this when it happened, but since they've started to romanticize it, I've definitely found it weird.
/r/MensRights11/04/24 04:01 AM
43

But patriarchy is about making things women buy more expensive to oppress them. A lunatic told me.
/r/MensRights09/04/24 02:43 AM
8

Advocate for education reform? It's a difficult issue because teachers are held on a pedestal (not rightly), but they need to be seriously questioned. The teachers are, in fact, the problem. The common refrain is that girls are "killing it" in school... as standards slip further and further. And yes, though most people won't acknowledge it, boys are being failed by the system. So are girls. Everyone is failed by the education system, and we need people to start legitimately questioning how poorl…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/04/24 02:24 AM
6

My ex was like this. Don't worry, she's worse to herself than she is to men. People like this are self-destructive.
/r/MensRights06/04/24 05:14 PM
1

Oh ok. I could find the actual report.
/r/MensRights05/04/24 08:53 PM
1

It sounds to me like the projection is based on increasing numbers now, and I still don't think age fully explains that increase even if that's the claim. The original source seems to just cite the commissions findings.
/r/MensRights05/04/24 08:41 PM
3

That's what the article says, but we've had a similar population of older people for a while, so that doesn't account for the 80% increase. That's almost 2 fold. Doesn't seem like they gave serious consideration to why the uptick.
/r/MensRights05/04/24 07:00 PM
1

I'm not sure about Queen Victoria, but it was the Victorian Age that brought about a lot of the gender roles men struggle with today. We seemed to shake many of them off at the beginning of the 19th century, but feminist propaganda has us back in the same boat as then. Anti-feminism (or anti-proto-feminism) isn't always what's best for men.
/r/MensRights05/04/24 04:31 PM
49

"Aging populations" is the cause. I'd like to know what's really causing it since I'm pretty sure life expectancy is decreasing -- at least here.
/r/MensRights05/04/24 03:08 PM
23

They say that to alienate men from their children. It's pervasive psychological abuse on a society-wide scale.
/r/MensRights04/04/24 05:59 PM
6

Thank you much.
/r/MensRights03/04/24 10:31 PM
4

Do you have sources for disproving this? It's what I suspect, but I hear that testosterone is to blame so often it would be nice to have something to refute it with.
/r/MensRights03/04/24 07:31 PM
6

Haha "beyond feminist." No. Just feminist.
/r/MensRights02/04/24 03:19 AM
6

I'm actually really surprised this was published. A thought occurred to me when he said, "Blue states are the problem" was that this kind of reminds me of "What's the Matter with Kansas?" Why people are voting against their interests, essentially, but more that people don't really realize that they might be voting against their interests. This, though, is why I'm not a fan of the Democrats. They espouse the beliefs that I agree with and yet never really follow through, which doesn't distinguish …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/04/24 12:21 AM
10

Yeah, too many problems with this and not really about Men's Rights to begin with. Just gotta say.
/r/MensRights01/04/24 12:21 AM
26

This is what I thought I'd heard, too. I'd be curious if things changed at all.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/24 03:28 AM
13

Part of me thinks they're full of shit. Part of me expects that they really are.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/03/24 10:39 PM
15

It might in the future. I don't know how they'd adjudicate it. I've recently seen people comparing emotional abuse to physical violence - "emotional violence." It makes sense since the lasting effects are very similar. Personally, I'd prefer physical violence.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/24 02:59 PM
4

And that's why I stay single.
/r/MensRights18/03/24 02:35 PM
2

What defines an actual leftist? I see this sentiment often but I have a hard time understanding what that really means.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/03/24 02:21 PM
12

Where I am, the narrative is that women are (or should be) afraid to walk alone at night. Studies actually show that criminals are averse to victimizing women on the whole. What you described doesn't sound typical. In fact, to me, it reminds me too much to the Duke case, but I'll assume that it was real. I would still argue that it's not remotely common. As for harassment and assault, where I am the rates between men assaulting women and women assaulting men are pretty similar. I think 3:2 would…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/24 06:53 PM
3

Oh no, I agree with you. I still identify with left leaning views and the typical discourse that leans too heavily traditionalist in right leaning MRA spaces bothers me, but I think around 2015, what is called "the left" went on an authoritarian streak. I don't think it's a healthy attitude, which is why I checked out of the political arena. I just always assumed left meant anti-authoritarian, but now it doesn't seem that way. Kind of a shame.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/24 06:34 PM
11

Don't you think that they might be afraid for no tangible reason? That's why the conversation about men being seen as inherently predatory is valid. I don't know if shaming people for having this view point is correct, but discouraging it seems prudent while we are, in fact, encouraging it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/24 06:29 PM
3

I find a lot of this stuff approaches authoritarian attitudes. It's one reason I'm disillusioned by "the left." Kind of complicated having a left leaning disposition and not liking "the left." But that's a long explanation.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/24 06:25 PM
1

Not by an authoritarian policy?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/24 06:19 PM
5

I'll look into those three, but only one lived after what is generally considered the start of feminism - he died shortly after the Declaration of Sentiments. I'm curious how they framed "inequality" because there are a number of scholars for centuries who have advocated for what we now call "equality" or liken to feminism. It doesn't mean that the ideas are congruent, though. I don't have a problem with female writers; it's their ideas I have a problem with (female and male im also not fond of …
/r/MensRights14/03/24 12:38 AM
2

Then you don't seem to be paying much attention to the ideology if you don't think they're misandristic. I wouldn't say that the belief is built on it, but it's close. Also, if you use the mutated definition of misogyny as a baseline (which is why this comes up, anyways), you'll find that 99% of feminists are misandristic. To your questions: I think individual MRAs promote misogyny. I think it's actually contrary to the foundation, but it does show up because of institutionalized misandry. I'd a…
/r/MensRights13/03/24 01:32 PM
6

You haven't met feminists have you?
/r/MensRights13/03/24 02:46 AM
10

Could tell that was bell hooks right off the bat. She's pretty full of shit. She creates all these logical leaps that fit her narrative that revolves around patriarchy, but she fashions herself as caring by suggesting that not all men are bad. What if a man said, unsolicited, that not all women were bad? You'd assume there was something bad about them. That explains bell hooks.
/r/MensRights12/03/24 02:23 PM
2

What I'm saying is that you're reading too much into what people think of women. These are things to say to men, not to women. In the example of women being thought of as "carrying on," we do listen, though, don't we? Men are more likely to be physically abused by their partner, but who do we listen to? Men are almost as likely to be sexually assaulted by the opposite sex, but who do we listen to? What I'm saying is that there is a strength in what you're saying is only weakness, and I think the…
/r/MensRights11/03/24 01:18 PM
2

I get what you mean that it's an attempt to shut boys down. What I'm saying is "carrying on like a woman" is a woman expressing herself. A boy or a man who is likewise expressing themselves is acting "incorrectly" while a woman is acting "correctly." It sounds like it's derogatory towards women, but it might only be against men. It's sexist, yes, but isn't it also more permissive for girls and women? That's what I mean.
/r/MensRights11/03/24 02:08 AM
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I hear this a lot, but I don't know how serious the claim is. "Don't cry like a girl" could mean "they're allowed to cry, you're not." Same with "carrying on like a woman." Do men really consider themselves superior for being stronger on average? Don't get me wrong, I grew up in a world that pointed this out to me a lot, so I understand what's being implied, but I don't know how legitimate it is, especially now.
/r/MensRights10/03/24 11:32 PM
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Always was to some extent. There's been a lot of forgetting along the way
/r/MensRights10/03/24 11:26 PM
3

That would also suggest that a significant portion of male teachers are sexual predators, while an insignificant portion of female teachers are predators. Especially considering media attention, this doesn't seem right. I'm sure this attitude will make it easier for men to become teachers /s. Might be why the number of male teachers is steadily declining.
/r/MensRights10/03/24 04:19 PM
14

It always bothers me when Reeves makes fun of the idea that feminists are intentionally holding boys back in schools. It might not be intentional, but it's certainly subconscious. Most prejudiced people aren't cognizant of their prejudice when their prejudice is normalized, and it's pretty obvious that most teachers are prejudiced against boys. So, yes, it is feminism that is holding boys back in school.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/24 04:02 PM
15

At least some people recognize that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/24 03:57 PM
5

That's weird
/r/MensRights05/03/24 10:38 PM
6

Huh. I'm glad I checked out of everything. I loved my dog, but my world didn't revolve around him.
/r/MensRights05/03/24 08:04 PM
27

That's fair. Sounds like dog culture went nuts.
/r/MensRights05/03/24 08:02 PM
10

Why is a dog a no go?
/r/MensRights05/03/24 07:43 PM
7

I don't really have much to add other than to say that professional help might work. Just do your best to be there for him. Know that you're trying and try to take care of yourself too. I hope everything turns out well for the two of you. I know this stuff can be rough, but it does get better.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/03/24 03:21 AM
15

Why are there so many posts about the MRM not making enough of a difference today? Most people have pointed out that gynocentrism and feminism get in the way of advocacy for men, and that's basically it. Even before women could vote by-in-large, women could more effective at lobbying government as a group than men have ever been. That's gynocentrism. I'll focus more on the Patriarchy/"toxic masculinity"/Menslib aspect since it's been somewhat overlooked: There is no patriarchy. That's the first …
/r/MensRights05/03/24 02:33 AM
2

Funny how you think you know me. But seriously, more and more everything is becoming an echo chamber and everything has a significant bias which makes everything unreliable. What I said may have been somewhat hyperbolic, but it was fundamentally true.
/r/MensRights03/03/24 07:04 PM
3

Everything is an echo chamber circle jerk, and nothing is very reliable anymore
/r/MensRights03/03/24 06:51 PM
3

Why does it give rates of sexual coercion for heterosexual males, non-heterosexual males and non-heterosexual females, but not heterosexual females. All they say is that the results (of which I'm uncertain) are consistent with men being raped 85-90% by women. Kind of weird.
/r/MensRights28/02/24 03:14 PM
15

I would have added to most of these points, but it's not too bad considering what I've seen before. Maybe we're making progress.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/02/24 10:03 PM
5

Not really defending Weinstein, but this is worse.
/r/MensRights26/02/24 03:41 PM
2

What exactly is HCG? I understand patriarchy partly because it's so reductive, but I don't understand how what you're talking about relates to hegemonic power.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/24 06:55 PM
3

OK then we basically agree. I didn't think it was so much an adequate example as it was an accessible one.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/24 04:21 PM
6

So you're saying that feminism is more of a hurdle?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/24 03:53 PM
6

So then are you refuting the idea that feminism gets in the way of advocating for men because you have to first dismantle feminism in order to adequately advocate for men (look at Reeves' shortcomings) much like anyone who wants to abolish the 2nd Amendment likely has to get rid of the NRA and their funding?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/24 03:36 PM
5

How? Because the NRA has less of an impact on the culture of gun violence than feminists have on the culture of sexism?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/24 03:27 PM
8

What's crazy is anti-gun advocates always talking about the NRA. It's the hurdle they have to deal with before they can approach the problem.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/24 03:09 PM
22

Arguably, men started further behind when you examine our education system.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/24 03:05 PM
3

This is why we can't have nice things.
/r/MensRights21/02/24 03:59 PM
17

Lena Dunham?
/r/MensRights21/02/24 03:45 AM
1

Yeah, that makes more sense.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/24 03:46 PM
4

I guess I can see what you're saying. What I was trying to say is that, like traditionalists, feminists don't advocate for the "weak" they advocate for women. That's how I see it relates to feminism. I see them as ideologically opposed to advocating for men in any sort of way, similar to traditionalists. As for conservatives, I had a friend die in Iraq. I got to see the disconnect between treating the living soldier with condescension for what was probably ptsd and the dead soldier with honor. I…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/24 03:33 PM
4

Oh no, I meant feminists caring about disabled men. Also, you think more highly of conservatives than I do.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/24 03:14 PM
6

Do you think that they'd advocate for disabled men? That would be the test. I think what they're saying is that traditionalism doesn't protect "the weak," but rather, women. I would agree that they expect women to play the role of "weak," though. Feminism relies on the gynocentrism that traditionalism relies on. They're very similar, except feminism requires nothing from women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/24 03:06 PM
2

You're right. I meant forced envelopment.
/r/MensRights16/02/24 04:16 PM
2

Haha no. I'm not that far gone. I just think forcing someone into intercourse should be considered rape.
/r/MensRights16/02/24 03:44 PM
4

"Made to penetrate." It's the term the US uses for forced penetration.
/r/MensRights16/02/24 03:42 PM
5

Unless I'm mistaken, MTP still isn't officially considered rape. I think what you're referring to is that they've decided that a man being penetrated with an object is rape which means that women can technically rape a man, but it's much less likely.
/r/MensRights16/02/24 03:25 PM
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Just try to ignore it. It's all pointless, and we're the ones who give it importance. If we all started ignoring it, it would go away.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/02/24 02:31 PM
7

Because the education system through college is shit.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/02/24 12:59 AM
20

Wow.
/r/MensRights12/02/24 08:07 PM
7

They also compete in competence hierarchies the way men do. It's kind of a myth of popular history that women haven't been active agents throughout history. Men are the ones credited, but that doesn't mean that women weren't playing an active role. A good example of this is the Mamluk empire. Basically, because the men were getting assassinated usually before a year into their leadership, the women kept continuity in government. This would have been maintained by a heirarchy.
/r/MensRights11/02/24 04:25 PM
5

I've heard of it, but I haven't read it. Rollo Tomassi right?
/r/MensRights11/02/24 04:22 PM
15

I always see this, and I just feel like I need to correct it: women are very hierarchal. Just look at the mean girl phenomenon and how women are always competing with one another. They just tend to support social programs more than men. I have my own theories for why this is. Also, men are the most cooperative male primates on this planet (iirc, more so than bonobos and chimps by a wide measure, at least). The reality is that hierarchies are important to establish leadership positions in both me…
/r/MensRights11/02/24 03:54 PM
1

I wouldn't say it's vindictive so much as it's apathetic. Like I would vote in favor of laws granting abortion unless it came at a cost of something I value more. Basically, women's issues are at the bottom of my list of priorities partly because they already have plenty of support, and they don't need my time and energy. The reason I brought up Dworkin is because she relies on masculine gender roles the way feminism at large does, but to a greater degree. That's why I tied her ideas to the idea…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/24 03:09 PM
21

In a sort of sad, utilitarian way, I think it would show more if men cared less. They're taken for granted. Feminists would say "see we told you so," but I think, in a utilitarian way, people would start listening to them less because things would start changing for the worse. It occurred to me the other day that Andrea Dworkin wouldn't have a leg to stand on if her ideas weren't completely backward. Her ideas are potent because she's wrong. Basically, "rape culture" exists because there is no r…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/24 05:57 AM
19

And this sentiment is kind of why I stopped caring. Iirc, women are more likely to be pro-life than men. Wouldn't it be prudent to stamp out this viewpoint lest all men check out completely on issues where their opinion doesn't matter?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/24 04:04 AM
20

But... they don't care even when you actively try to care... I get what you're saying, but you're missing the context: Men are expected to care, women are not. Men caring about women's issues is common. Women caring about men's issues is uncommon. Even when women do care about men's issues, it's saddled with a framework that comes from being concerned first with women's issues (anything born from toxic masculinity and where that all comes from).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/24 03:55 AM
11

I think this is a little old (unless people are talking about the divine feminine again), but yeah, this is a mental illness.
/r/MensRights07/02/24 03:14 PM
1

Not a problem. I can see how it seemed like I was going after you.
/r/MensRights07/02/24 01:00 AM
2

I wasn't calling you a white knight. My position is that gender tends to be complementary and, right now, women either need to change or men need to change. Women don't seem like they're going to change, which means that men need to change. Which I think is starting to happen.
/r/MensRights07/02/24 12:48 AM
2

Men white knighting for women who want to get rid of gender roles. White knights are running to women's defense as their gender roles demand while women are using that to get rid of their own gender roles.
/r/MensRights07/02/24 12:16 AM
1

So gender roles... are part of why we're abandoning gender roles... huh
/r/MensRights07/02/24 12:06 AM
19

Perhaps I worded it poorly. People tend to focus on boys misbehaving while turning a blind eye to girls misbehaving. Each tend to exhibit non prosocial behavior differently but at comparable rates from what I recall. I'm suggesting that you and people who wring their hands over this stuff are being overly critical. As for what the boys are being taught, I highly doubt they're being encouraged to do this. I'd posit that they aren't being punished to your liking, which is how you probably treat a …
/r/MensRights06/02/24 05:34 AM
26

Why then do girls learn to socialize with boys at all girls' schools? Maybe because our social decorum tends to lean heavily on what girls and women favor. Maybe there's nothing wrong with the culture coming out of boys' schools. We just frame it as wrong.
/r/MensRights06/02/24 05:20 AM
6

Sorry, but this felt too mamby pamby. It prefaced most things with making sure that we realized that women had it worse and then gave half-hearted reasons for men. For instance, why would money only affect women trying to leave abusive relationships? They get support that mitigates financial struggles, and men actually don't. By that simple comparison, men would be at a greater financial disadvantage, trying to leave an abusive relationship. This seems to flow from very tired cliches from a bygo…
/r/MensRights03/02/24 05:04 AM
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She can't understand that feminists have been complete assholes for decades and that men and boys have been raised underneath their thumb. No accountability.
/r/MensRights02/02/24 02:43 PM
2

Yeah I did. I've been skipping on substack articles this whole time haha. I read it. Interesting read. Reeves isn't so bad.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/24 08:59 PM
11

Does anybody else notice that we don't talk about femininity in terms of channeling it in a way that benefits society? Only masculinity.
/r/MensRights01/02/24 04:31 PM
23

Interesting. I'll have to see what Reeves cites when he says that the brains develop at different rates.
/r/MensRights01/02/24 04:03 PM
3

Well, first, the claim that women experience pain to a greater degree didn't have a link in this article. So I don't know what science you're talking about. I also remember that claim from fifteen years ago floating around the popular media circuit for a stint. I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't rooted in any science. I remember not too long ago an article coming out about how science articles don't often follow scientific procedure and make claims that can't be made. I think the specific exam…
/r/MensRights01/02/24 02:51 PM
4

Ten more years, and they'll forget about the "manflu" and how women apparently have more robust immune systems and start talking about how viruses affect women more.
/r/MensRights01/02/24 02:27 PM
1

Yeah, you're intentionally missing my point, so I'll just disregard your attempt at sounding intelligent.
/r/MensRights01/02/24 02:17 PM
67

I remember fifteen years ago, the narrative was that women could tolerate pain better than men. I don't think you're supposed to remember things anymore - just the thing you were told to do last up until something new contradicts it.
/r/MensRights01/02/24 01:52 AM
9

So I read it. It was much more informative than I expected. He reminds me of the rare feminist man that I come across where all I can think is "he gets it, but he doesn't." He doesn't understand that feminism is the root of the problem, but fully accepts the feminist bullshit (bullshit to feminists, but truth in reality) that men need to shed their gender roles. He's just too burdened by feminism to address those problems fully.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/24 10:34 PM
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I did know that there was unfair conscription, and there was some bullshit about feminists claiming (successfully iirc) that it was unfair for men to claim military experience as job experience. I had my suspicions that SK had gone crazy feminist and that's what explains that trend for men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/24 10:18 PM
3

Yeah, I know it's free, I just have to sign up for it, and I don't like signing up for things. Edit: I agree on Galloway. I'm not too fond of him. I like Reeves more, because he seems to focus on how men are prevented from achieving those gender roles while Galloway just seems to admonish men. It still seems a little too gynocentric to me though. Edit 2: Oops, I'm mistaken. I don't need to sign up to read it. I'll actually read it a bit. I don't have high hopes for what he'll write, but he's on …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/24 09:53 PM
7

I'm not going to sign up for this to read it, but by the graph I could see, doesn't it look like women in Germany and the US are becoming more "radical" whereas the UK seems like they can't get more radical and south Korea seems like the men are getting more radical. Just to clarify, I don't really value these labels. I see them representing political affiliation more than they represent political ideology. I.e. dems aren't liberal.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/24 08:19 PM
3

Add that to the fact that more substantive studies put the real rate at closer to 1 in 3, and you have yourself a headscratcher.
/r/MensRights31/01/24 03:46 PM
9

No, I'm insinuating that she's entitled.
/r/MensRights30/01/24 02:58 PM
11

Why do you think she beats her boyfriend? Rhetorical question.
/r/MensRights30/01/24 02:34 PM
14

Reeves is a feminist. He's one of few feminists who actually seem to care about males, but his views are tainted. If you put aside the fact that he does seem to care, he primarily focuses on men and boys as units of utility, which is a byproduct of gynocentrism. He also doesn't bring up anything new. People like Christina Hoff Sommers did a better job 20 years ago covering education. It's good - I guess - that someone who's an accepted feminist (nod to Sommers) is bringing this to the public, bu…
/r/MensRights29/01/24 10:38 PM
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It's been a while since I looked at these, but I think you're misreading it. From what I remember, the rate of MTP stayed relatively constant between 2010 and 2017 in both lifetime and 12 month figures. I remember that from 2010 to 2013, the female rate of rape for the 12 month figure was less than that of MTP for men but both the 12 month and the lifetime figure increased in 2015 and even more in 2017. From what I remember, the information "pamphlet" they have for public consumption is based on…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/01/24 03:23 PM
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It could also be the same problem we see in education: the empathy gap. It's not that the system is so much designed for women and girls, but that men and boys are not seen as worthy of benefitting.
/r/MensRights28/01/24 11:04 PM
6

Funny how often that's the list that goes through my mind when feminists talk.
/r/MensRights28/01/24 04:45 PM
3

They overturned precedence. This happens from time to time.
/r/MensRights27/01/24 08:50 PM
6

One, I'm pro choice. Two, overturning roe v wade wasn't based on that logic. From what I understand, it found the original case wanting legally. It's entirely a legal issue, not a statement on values.
/r/MensRights27/01/24 08:43 PM
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I don't think your last statement is an accurate framing of the decision to overturn roe v wade. Also, it's a (popular) exaggeration of reality.
/r/MensRights27/01/24 08:26 PM
9

It's funny to me that the sentiment is that pro-lifers are against women when this is just the next step after overturning roe v wade. I doubt most people will see the problem, though.
/r/MensRights27/01/24 08:07 PM
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It's a women's issue because women are bothered by it even if more men are affected by it. That's the society we live in.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/24 05:32 PM
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They keep saying how much the film made. Marvel makes a lot and doesn't get any nominations. Can't really explain gosling, but supposedly, he was pretty superb. Either way, it wasn't a very serious film and shouldn't have been considered for nomination in the first place. People's feminism is really some dime store bullshit if they're worked up about this.
/r/MensRights27/01/24 04:26 AM
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To the first picture, women really believe this? Maybe that's why gerwig didn't get the nomination. She was writing out of her ass.
/r/MensRights27/01/24 04:18 AM
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Not many elected officials that I'm aware of, but the sentiment exists. Traditional consevativism is just too prevalent for men's rights to gain any headway for elected officials.
/r/MensRights26/01/24 03:33 PM
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Rare? He seems like a used car salesman.
/r/MensRights26/01/24 03:29 PM
11

But they will come crying. I guarantee it.
/r/MensRights25/01/24 03:24 PM
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The disparity in sentencing between men and women arguably affects just as many men as custody does. The problem, I think, is that many people don't see the way that men are sentenced as a problem.
/r/MensRights24/01/24 03:41 PM
33

One is more deliberate. Guess which one.
/r/MensRights24/01/24 03:21 PM
6

Doesn't Bechdel not even take the Bechdel test seriously?
/r/MensRights24/01/24 02:25 PM
10

/s?
/r/MensRights23/01/24 10:28 PM
27

That's been my observation as well
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/24 03:53 PM
76

Reminds me a little of how black people used to move off of the sidewalks when passing white people in parts of the segregated south.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/24 03:43 PM
1

Curious where you get this information. I've heard it before, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's bullshit.
/r/MensRights23/01/24 02:10 AM
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If you'd just let her talk about women for a moment... why won't anyone let her talk about women for a moment! /s Couldn't help but make fun of bad writing. Edit: autocorrect
/r/MensRights22/01/24 10:56 PM
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It's almost like the reason behind "toxic" and "positive" masculinity grew out of the reality that men had been defining masculinity for themselves... and needed it defined by women in order for it to fit.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/01/24 05:06 AM
24

The book is called Will to Change
/r/MensRights19/01/24 10:16 PM
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She argues that women are only ever abusive because men created a system in which women need to be abusive. She's a popular feminist writer, and her ideas have been influential to the point that it's pretty popular to say that women only do bad things because men make them do it. Essentially, what critics of feminism have dubbed hypoagency.
/r/MensRights19/01/24 10:04 PM
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"My thing is better than your thing. Come join my thing so you can validate my opinion of myself." MensLib is shit because they mistake the word "liberation" for servitude. Somehow, I'm going to guess that Nichols falls in line with that, too.
/r/MensRights19/01/24 10:00 PM
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You haven't read bell hooks have you?
/r/MensRights19/01/24 09:45 PM
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Well, see, that all kind encapsulates the problem: Realizing that the Democratic Party has become less palatable to younger men, awhile back people started mulling over how to attract younger men. One of the things they realized quickly was that the concept of "toxic masculinity" was driving men away. What they discovered is that masculinity (as defined by society) is fairly restrictive even when you try to offer a counter to "toxic masculinity." In fact much of what they called healthy could ea…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/24 03:01 AM
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In what ways has it translated to actual power for you? So I don't actually agree that feminism pursues equality. This is one idea that is an upstream battle with the broader culture. I think feminism reinforces gynocentrism which is the basis for many of our gendered stereotypes: women are more nurturing, men are more likely to abuse their (female) partner, etc. I think feminism tries to combat the more negative aspects of how women have been treated, not by fundamentally reframing gender (as t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/24 01:58 AM
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Why do you think you have greater perceived power in society? Do you think this translates to actual power? I'll just cut to the chase: I think feminism needs to be unlearned for society to move forward. In a way, it helps men like me and maybe you learn to see the world through a lens that is critical of gender roles, but actually impressing those criticisms on society means fundamentally changing how people interact with gender as a direct result of feminism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/24 01:02 AM
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I don't think you're really engaging the term "creepy". These two terms coincide with two different circumstances, yes, but they also suggest two entirely different prevailing attitudes. That's what I was trying to point out to OP. The feminist aligned narrative ("deference") is incongruous with OP's observations ("creepy"). I have an idea of what you're alluding to, but I would disagree with the term "deference".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/24 08:58 PM
16

I'm not really used to many women being shy about expressing disapproval.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/24 04:05 PM
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How does being treated with deference coexist with being seen as creepy? I understand being treated like a creep. I don't understand being treated with deference, and I don't understand how both those things can happen simultaneously.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/24 03:20 PM
7

Somewhere in the late 19th century, they probably actually did.
/r/MensRights09/01/24 01:26 AM
1

Thanks. That answers what I was curious about.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/24 01:16 AM
1

Oh, sorry. It said something different when I responded. I didn't see the person I was talking about substantiate what they were saying. Are meta analyses analyses of studies that they cherry-picked? Someone kept sending me them about something else, and they contradicted research I had seen elsewhere.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/24 11:38 PM
1

What was the evidence?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/24 09:16 PM
9

Can anyone verify whether or not women's health care is taken seriously or not? One of the comments suggested that the reason men die younger is because they consider being healthy to be feminine (sounds like complete bullshit to me). They also say that women die more from poor medical care and that generally, women's healthcare is worse than men's because they tend to study men rather than women. Can anyone verify or refute this? It sounds like bullshit and I want to see something substantial t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/24 03:00 PM
10

Ha. That's a lot like the real argument you posed originally.
/r/MensRights05/01/24 02:54 PM
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Can we get an Am I Dating an AWDTSG Woman? Because I have some safety concerns.
/r/MensRights05/01/24 02:18 PM
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Oh yeah, that certainly doesn't help even if we would naturally express ourselves the way women do. Like you suggest, we're not going to get a good insight into that until society tries to give us the same degree of understanding and care it gives to women. I'm not entirely sure we'd be as emotional, but I could be more fucked up than even I imagine.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/01/24 04:20 AM
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Oh shit, sorry. I didn't see that before. I tried reading the article. I couldn't get through it. I've read articles like it before and it seems like bullshit to me. I'm sure that's part of the trouble you've been having here. Where are you getting that men are sadder after breakups and women feel happier? I'm curious about that. Anecdotally I've seen people suggest the opposite. For me personally, every break up came with relief. One came with feelings of inadequacy later, but that's a complica…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/01/24 11:29 PM
2

What do you mean exactly by men rely more on women? Emotionally?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/01/24 10:09 PM
1

Aw man, you brought askfeminists back on my radar. And the first comment references bell hooks. Curious what you think of both perspectives though.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/01/24 10:02 PM
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shrug
/r/MensRights03/01/24 08:46 PM
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Just a little bit dystopian. I'd think this wouldn't have good psychological effects on either the child or the father.
/r/MensRights03/01/24 07:27 PM
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I've heard that people who tend to subscribe to political activism often exhibit narcissistic traits. The study that was linked here looked at feminism specifically, but that might be because feminism neatly encapsulates the problem areas - "the personal is political." "Narcissism" is tricky, though, because it's a bit like "misogyny": its definition has been distorted by overuse/misuse. "Narcissism" isn't NPD. Narcissistic traits aren't necessarily bad. It's a weird thing to talk about because …
/r/MensRights02/01/24 03:32 AM
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Oh ok. I think I see what you're saying. And yeah, I'm never sure about how to define whether or not the 50s was very patriarchal. I just know that people nowadays see the end of the 50s as a turning point. ('63 I think is the date they usually put on it sort of like the long nineteenth century ending with WWII). I was just curious.
/r/MensRights01/01/24 08:46 PM
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I guess I don't understand what you're trying to say. Feminism created instability and a lack of wealth, thereby ushering in patriarchy? What about the 1950s? That's considered highly patriarchal (in line with your definition) but also was considered one of the US's most affluent time periods for the average American and relatively stable culturally? I just don't understand.
/r/MensRights01/01/24 08:28 PM
4

What's your definition of patriarchy?
/r/MensRights01/01/24 08:23 PM
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Knew I should have added "/s"
/r/MensRights01/01/24 03:19 AM
3

Very thorough. Interesting read. Thanks.
/r/MensRights01/01/24 03:16 AM
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Good to see there's always people who like to pretend that the sky isn't blue.
/r/MensRights01/01/24 03:13 AM
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I think you're a little mistaken. The term originally comes from the Latin "rapere" which means, essentially, to steal. It's the same root for the word "raptor" which gets its name because it would steal eggs and quickly run off. My understanding is that the meaning suggested that a woman's innocence was something that could be taken away. There's two ways of looking at this: One is that the word is outdated. We don't need to be concerned with a woman's innocence in this day and age. The second …
/r/MensRights01/01/24 01:17 AM
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I guess that's what we get from the UN.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/12/23 06:31 PM
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I saw this study mentioned before. There's a slew of problems with the way they asked questions and then simplified their findings to "bias against women." They also don't account for possible sexism against men. The study can't really be taken seriously, and judging by the first few paragraphs of this article, nor can this author and publication.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/12/23 05:54 PM
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That feminism is a form of chauvinism (female chauvinism), and it tends to have a lot in common with narcissism. I think the main difference would be that chauvinism tends to see things through the lens of "us v them" whereas narcissism focuses on the individual though I imagine many chauvinists are narcissists and many narcissists are chauvinists. Feminism coopted "chauvinism" (which was originally about nationalism) to mean "male chauvinism" exclusively I'll. I think we should take it back. It…
/r/MensRights26/12/23 10:48 PM
13

Chauvinism and narcissism. Who'd have thought they fit together so well.
/r/MensRights26/12/23 10:36 PM
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What are the ways you think she misunderstands men? Just off the top of my head, her understanding relies heavily on Terrance Real's work. Both Real and hooks tend to interpret stoicism as a rejection of femininity. This interpretation of male typical stoicism is integral to everything that hooks builds Will to Change on. It's a commonly accepted idea. I don't accept it. You don’t really need authority when speaking on this, being human is all the credentials you really need I mean she doesn't e…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/12/23 06:16 PM
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I'm only familiar with Will to Change and this seems to be central to that book too. The problem is that she doesn't really have a very substantive understanding of why men are the way they are. In fact, her understanding of men is a bit of a straw man. I don't disagree with the premises that love can profoundly change things, I disagree with the notion that she is speaking with some authority on the issue. Anyone can say that love is necessary and powerful. I mean Ted Bundy's final words were a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/12/23 05:18 PM
8

Why?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/12/23 05:01 PM
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Sums up my thoughts on what I've read of hers. Her ideas have a nice veneer. They don't have a lot of substance.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/12/23 04:19 PM
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Because I was talking about gandhi... /s. My guess is you're political, you think of yourself as Gandhi, and you tend to prove my point. Also, my comment was based on research.
/r/MensRights15/12/23 07:09 PM
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It's not too surprising. I'd be curious if they could find out how much of feminism and other forms of activism are directed by narcissistic people. I'd speculate that a lot of these ideologies are primarily informed by narcissists.
/r/MensRights15/12/23 04:29 PM
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It sounded like it was going to be sympathetic. Pretty weird
/r/MensRights28/11/23 08:49 PM
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And they're making her into a cultural hero it turns out.
/r/MensRights28/11/23 08:28 PM
21

Looks like they're making a movie based on LeTourneau.
/r/MensRights28/11/23 08:07 PM
3

It's actually pretty equal between men and women, with some studies showing DV committed more against men.
/r/MensRights28/11/23 04:53 PM
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I hadn't considered the friend zone thing. That's usually men, I agree. Though I'm starting to see women complain about it. I'm mostly used to abusive women alienating their boyfriends from their female friends with that logic. The only abusive boyfriend I've run into was a feminist so he wasn't inclined to vocalize that perception if he believed it.
/r/MensRights24/11/23 10:00 PM
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I've always had the opposite experience in terms of who criticizes male and female friendship. And they're not really saying all they want is sex. They're saying all women offer is sex. For example, a woman could offer friendship, but she's only offering sex.
/r/MensRights24/11/23 09:36 PM
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This doesn't really address what changed in education. In the seventies, girls were behind slightly less than boys are behind now. My point is that people (I'm thinking in regards to Reeves mostly) attribute boys falling behind to neurological differences or developmental differences. This doesn't track with how boys used to be ahead of girls. We do know that neurology is influenced by the environment. This suggests to me that what we're looking at has more to do with the education system active…
/r/MensRights24/10/23 06:34 PM
1

I read an article yesterday that suggested that things like ADHD were epigenetic problems, which suggests that the environment for boys is the primary factor. Also, most of your examples lead me to wonder, "What changed?" It seems the biology hasn't changed, but the environment continues to change, and the realities continue to get worse.
/r/MensRights24/10/23 02:01 PM
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Feminists don't consider them feminists. They consider them like a polluted version of feminism. It's kind of funny .
/r/MensRights24/10/23 12:59 AM
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To be fair, men who spoke up during metoo were mocked and told to let women speak. So this doesn't make much sense.
/r/MensRights15/10/23 03:13 PM
2

Huh?
/r/MensRights13/10/23 08:06 PM
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Not to mention that prominent feminists signed a letter standing in solidarity with her.
/r/MensRights13/10/23 06:12 PM
2

Huh, I always thought feminists coined the "toxic" part in the 2010s.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/23 03:27 PM
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I'd say men call each other out more often than these people claim. It's just another way of saying that all men are complicit in the bad things that some men do. On the flip side, how often do these same people call out women who do reprehensible things? How often do they applaud them?
/r/MensRights13/10/23 02:52 PM
5

I thought the term was "hypermasculinity" back then.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/23 01:38 PM
5

Just a heads up: unless it's changed since 2013, the FBI still doesn't recognize forced penetration as rape. Their definition still relies on the idea that rape is an act of penetration.
/r/MensRights09/10/23 10:11 PM
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Why do I need to go read early feminist literature? If you read feminist literature today, they will tell you that women everywhere are chronically abused, which neglects to consider the fact that studies show that men are abused just as often by women. Why would early feminist writing be any less slanted?
/r/MensRights05/10/23 07:14 PM
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How do you know what you're saying is a fact? I'm aware of Henry VIII executing his wife and divorcing several because he thought they couldn't bear a son. How does that reflect on the rest of society? The reality is that we probably don't know, thus, to say women were discriminated against for practically all of history is not necessarily factual -- "up for debate."
/r/MensRights05/10/23 07:04 PM
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How do you know it's the truth? Edit: I should add that I'm specifically referring to "women had it worse." Since people seem to be misunderstanding that.
/r/MensRights05/10/23 06:48 PM
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That's up for debate, too. It's the narrative, yes. Whether it's the accurate truth is a different matter.
/r/MensRights05/10/23 06:42 PM
8

I think he took the Futurama episode about robosexuality too seriously.
/r/MensRights04/10/23 11:44 PM
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Something tells me Galloway isn't really qualified to talk about the things he talks about.
/r/MensRights04/10/23 08:55 PM
10

So, I'm guessing you have data to support your claim? Or we're in a pissing match where you disagree with the idea that society tends to reinforce empathizing with women while it, I would argue, it reinforces not empathizing with men. The fact that you call this rage bait and this sub biased doesn't make what the other people here are saying untrue. Oddly, I expected you just to be a troll. I'm a little perplexed by your hostility.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/10/23 10:20 PM
10

Well, it seems like the thread generally disagrees with what you've observed then.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/10/23 10:10 PM
11

It does speak to what I've observed.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/10/23 10:04 PM
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But isn't it curious why that is? Isn't that the point? Why don't people with "daddy issues" try to understand their dad, but people with "mommy issues" try to understand their mom?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/10/23 09:50 PM
1

The only line from "22" that didn't fit was about going out and getting laid. That reminded me of "It's Different for Girls" by Dierks Bentley. The entire first verse tracks more with women I've known than men I've known. Probably the reason you see this separation between the two -- where what a man wants doesn't fit with what a man is expected to do -- is because we still live in this weird traditional version of sexuality where a woman is supposed to be chaste and a man is supposed to "spread…
/r/MensRights02/10/23 04:34 AM
8

Something I've always noticed is that men don't exactly count as far as society is concerned. I suspect it's a long-standing issue, and feminism is only too happy to reify it. Usually, the conversation about men and mental health gets derailed by the assertion that men ought to talk about their feelings. Then the conversation goes into a tailspin, going back and forth between "men just don't express their feelings" and "men ought to express their feelings." Sometimes someone points out that when…
/r/MensRights02/10/23 03:53 AM
1

I'll bite. Why do you say that?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/10/23 03:37 PM
1

The problem is the framing. There's no way that "toxic masculinity" is used that is constructive. That's what I eluded to initially: the idea comes from a place that was constructive, but then it became an idea that did more harm than good and now, as "toxic masculinity," it is mainly used as a tool for emotional abuse (gaslighting, etc.)
/r/MensRights30/09/23 03:05 AM
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I've found they're pretty desperate for a new voice, but they're probably afraid to upset the feminist paradigm.
/r/MensRights30/09/23 01:05 AM
1

That's not at all how it's used. It's used to say that men are taught to exhibit toxic behaviors. The problem is that when you try to distill that down, you'll find that those same "toxic" behaviors are strongly linked to otherwise positive behaviors. A few months back, Progressives tried to answer the accusation that progressivism alienates men by identifying positive masculine traits. Every trait they named at one point or another has been considered toxic for one reason or another. That's why…
/r/MensRights29/09/23 06:45 PM
1

That doesn't really address the idea that it exclusively refers to men. Also, it doesn't really cover it completely because a theoretical and undefined "positive masculinity" still establishes gender roles, some of which are considered traditional wherever they are deemed to apply. The idea is just ammunition for emotional abusers.
/r/MensRights29/09/23 05:07 PM
2

One, I've never heard "toxic masculinity" applied to a woman, which implies that it only applies to men. Also, anyone who looks closely at it will find that it's an ambiguous and fluid concept that really doesn't have much basis in reality other than to attach "toxic" to "masculinity."
/r/MensRights29/09/23 04:09 PM
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"Toxic masculinity" is just a word used to make men out to bad people by nature. It's based on some bad speculation that went on in the 90s. It came from a questionable source before that. The original idea had some merit, but the term "toxic masculinity" is nothing more than propaganda and should be disregarded as such.
/r/MensRights29/09/23 01:49 PM
20

Poking holes in condoms always went the other way in my experience tbh.
/r/MensRights29/09/23 12:49 PM
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You'll find that it's common to downplay how people mistreat men and it's also common to deny that that happens. People will vilify you for not conforming to that mentality. I remember about ten years ago, an article came out saying that women were gaslit by society because society often calls them crazy. After that, I began seeing the term "gaslight" being used everywhere. The truth is that, if women are being gaslit that way, men are being gaslit to deny that they struggle to find a place in s…
/r/MensRights29/09/23 12:54 AM
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Don't have one, but I've seen research that says men are less likely to leave a cheating partner and they're less likely to initiate divorce, why would they be more likely to leave a sick partner. It seems to fit a narrative more than reality.
/r/MensRights28/09/23 04:58 PM
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I thought another study found the opposite. I'd be skleptical.
/r/MensRights28/09/23 03:26 PM
3

Except children having two healthy parents has a very important impact on children. This doesn't really justify ignoring men.
/r/MensRights28/09/23 12:10 AM
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So you think being grited by Meta and YouTube algorithms is better than a government establishing a support network? Yup, men are definitely doing well. What you fail to conceptualize is that the tendency for men to be more violent really shows itself in poor communities. As you move up the class structure, men are no more violent than women. In fact, women are just as, if not more violent, in intimate relationships. So we're looking at relative parity between men and women in terms of violence …
/r/MensRights28/09/23 12:07 AM
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No worries. That's why I explained what I meant by chauvinism. Feminists kind of coopted the word and made it synonymous with misogyny, which is a shame because it more accurately describes a lot of what we call bigotry these days -- and feminism fits comfortably in that definition too. It is nice to see feminists try to incorporate more nuanced ideas into the feminist narrative, but the problem is that they're married to the idea of patriarchy. It's a thought terminating framework. It's why a l…
/r/MensRights27/09/23 11:58 PM
3

Didn't expect you to go 20 years earlier. What I meant by chauvinism is that she tends to other men and pedestalize women and feminism in Will to Change. She has a pretense of love for men mixed with a prescription for men's betterment that reminds me of the same kind of condescension that accompanied "White Man's Burden." I don't so much disagree with the idea that feminism overlooks or used to overlook class. I'd say many feminists still do even when they say that they are taking it into accou…
/r/MensRights27/09/23 11:39 PM
2

What works by hooks are examples of a change of heart? She's pretty hard to take in 2004. I wouldn't mind seeing someone come to terms with what really seems like a chauvinistic frame of mind.
/r/MensRights27/09/23 11:11 PM
4

Honestly, Feminism is not unlike racial or ethnic chauvinism: "If you don't do like us, you're wrong; if you do like us, learn you're the lesser one."
/r/MensRights27/09/23 03:28 PM
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That's why I pointed out that the 2012 survey shows men are raped more by women than women are raped by men in the 12 month figure. They don't publicize that survey in the way they publicize the 2016 one. The lifetime figure also has its own bias. Some people argue that the 12 month figure gives a more accurate picture of the state of things. I was just validating the 1 in 9 figure I gave. You also have to take into account that a man is less likely to identify an unwanted interaction as MTP. We…
/r/MensRights26/09/23 07:18 PM
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https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/sexualviolence/fastfact.html under the headline "Sexual Violence is Common" Part of the reason why people say it's as common for men as for women is because in 2010 to 2013 (iirc) for the 12 month figure, it shows that men are mtp more than women are raped. For some reason, the figures changed more dramatically for the 2016/2017 survey which is where they get their 1 in 9 fast facts figure.
/r/MensRights26/09/23 06:44 PM
19

That's because they're using the penetration definition of rape. The made-to-penetrate stat is 1 in 9 in their lifetime.
/r/MensRights26/09/23 06:33 PM
1

Well, the third and fourth wave still distinguish between men and women, but they often argue that gender differences come from different socialization. I am beginning to see a bit of a push for gender essentialism lately, but it's doesn't get as much support. Obviously transgender people complicate these ideas, which probably has more to do with the fourth wave. Most of the feminist media that I've consumed that pertains to men argues that boys and men become healthy by having relationships wit…
/r/MensRights25/09/23 07:09 PM
1

Unfortunately, whenever I see the concept of boys and dating brought up from a feminist point of view, they seem to come to the opposite conclusion. It would help if they were on board, though.
/r/MensRights25/09/23 05:53 PM
1

This kind of reminds me of how men used to worship the Divine Feminine back in 2017 or so. Are you being serious?
/r/MensRights25/09/23 02:15 AM
49

I blame growing up on 90s country for being a hopeless romantic in my youth. Learned the hard way that it's all bullshit. Can't stand country anymore because of it.
/r/MensRights25/09/23 12:21 AM
2

You've gotten this response in a roundabout way, but I think we focus too much on men doing wrong and not enough on women doing wrong. You make the point that this is a generational issue that reminds me of the concept that "toxic masculinity" is patrilineal. Is this an accurate assessment of what you're trying to say? Mothers are more likely to instill "toxic" traits in their sons than fathers and mothers are more likely to abuse their children. This doesn't really answer your question, but the…
/r/MensRights23/09/23 04:04 PM
2

Thank you. I'll be adding this to my reading list.
/r/MensRights22/09/23 11:52 PM
97

Yep. Every movement that preaches the idea of men distancing themselves from women has been demonized. Girls need to distance themselves from boys to find themselves; boys need to be directed by women to find themselves.
/r/MensRights22/09/23 06:47 PM
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The irony is that we probably need to actually start telling boys they don't need a girlfriend to be happy.
/r/MensRights22/09/23 02:23 PM
3

For any of the older people here, was there a recurring barrage of this kind of stuff back in the 00s or is it a newer thing? This misinformation just doesn't die.
/r/MensRights21/09/23 05:33 PM
9

Yeah. It's weird how much propaganda there is out there.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/09/23 09:20 PM
11

The evidence tends to support your experience.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/09/23 08:53 PM
19

So their issue was that they would be required to also help men, not that it would undermine women-only shelters?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/09/23 08:51 PM
3

Just read a synopsis on it. It sounds like it was written this decade, not fifty years ago
/r/MensRights13/09/23 03:37 PM
2

I didn't know he didn't control AVFM anymore. Well thanks for letting me know. Guess that's why he seems to have disappeared.
/r/MensRights13/09/23 02:41 PM
2

I believe the term was originally "hypermasculinity" which is both more descriptive and highlights what the problem actually is.
/r/MensRights13/09/23 02:39 PM
5

Why scrub Paul Elam?
/r/MensRights13/09/23 02:29 PM
3

No problem. It made sense to me when I saw it.
/r/MensRights12/09/23 12:03 AM
14

Then why did she become a billionaire after the divorce... idiot.
/r/MensRights11/09/23 09:41 PM
7

Wasn't me who said it. They changed the layout. Go to the top of his comment.
/r/MensRights11/09/23 09:29 PM
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You're right, I didn't read all of it. You really used history as an example? It's Latin based. I was a poli Sci student myself, and we covered electoral politics which is why i know that there's no causal relationship between a lack of female reps and sexism. There's a perceived correlation because of the construct that is Patriarchy. The US Supreme Court has 4 out of 9 women this is not 2:1. Would you prefer it 5 so that it would "favor" women? As for male billionaires, what about Bezos' wife …
/r/MensRights11/09/23 08:43 PM
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I'm not surprised you're a man. Plenty of men hate other men. They tend to think they're one of the good ones. It looks like you came here just to argue with MRAs. I'd add that you likely have a very limited view on what men's issues are, so your insights are likely not going to be helpful for a productive conversation. This is part of why MRAs say feminists don't care about men's issues.
/r/MensRights11/09/23 08:30 PM
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Hmm. The Barbie movie sounds like a particularly deep and insightful narrative. Didn't watch it personally. It's really interesting that you came here to say that men need feminism and started calling everyone who responded to you bad people. It's almost like you don't have compassion for men, and your concern is a ruse.
/r/MensRights11/09/23 08:18 PM
34

There's no evidence to suggest that lack of female representation is due to bias against women.
/r/MensRights11/09/23 08:15 PM
86

Using the concept of "Patriarchy" is how feminists dehumanize men. You can't really believe in it and be fully supportive of men's issues.
/r/MensRights11/09/23 08:05 PM
23

They always say that men are afraid of their sexuality being questioned. I think that's the easy answer that doesn't require much insight. I'm not a huge fan of Psychology Today in the first place, but something rubs me wrong about this.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/09/23 03:51 AM
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Moreover, cultivating a society wherein men can cry is far from the most pressing issue for boys and men. Relatedly, how about fixing our education system so that it's supportive of boys. Maybe then they'd be able to express their emotions. That seems to have gotten worse over time, not better. I'm more and more convinced that "I Don't Want to Talk About It" (the foundation of this idea) did more to undermine boys and men than it did to support them and this idea of men expressing their emotions…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/09/23 03:16 PM
2

This whole story's pretty wild. https://radaronline.com/p/zoe-mclellan-ex-husband-jp-gillain-whacked-jail-son-kidnapped-mental-institution-ncis/#:~:text=Jean%2DPaul%20%22J.P.%22%20Gillain,there%20were%20%22other%22%20victims.
/r/MensRights02/09/23 10:23 PM
2

I was using "hesitant to approach" in reference to the analogy of the beaten dog. Basically, if enough people hurt a dog, it won't trust people; if a boy or man hears that they're a bad person enough, they'll retreat from society. The reason I left this all kind of vague is because it's a little difficult to talk about these days no matter where you turn. What exactly do you mean by a "fishbowl statement"? Why do you think that attitudes would be different in other places? These seem to be prett…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/08/23 09:43 PM
2

Saved for future use. Thank you.
/r/MensRights30/08/23 07:58 PM
11

https://reddit.com/r/MensRights/s/OD0FJNJMfg hopefully that links to the reddit thread.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/08/23 07:40 PM
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Just FYI, men being SAed by a woman is as common as women being SAed by a man. The idea that it's less common comes from a false framing of the overall issue.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/08/23 07:34 PM
4

Wow. You're special.
/r/MensRights29/08/23 07:22 PM
17

This might be an aside, but it dawns on me that male loneliness is just a symptom of a systemic problem that feminism seems to have created. It's like there was a rash of beating innocent dogs, and the observation is that "dogs seem more hesitant to approach people these days." I'm unable to watch the video right now, but I have a pretty good guess of what it says, and this "loneliness epidemic" bothers me because it seems to understate the actual problem at hand. I've heard it dismissed before …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/08/23 02:26 PM
6

This idea sure didn't pan out. Men still are ignored and accused of detracting from women's suffering for speaking up even though men are at least equally victimized.
/r/MensRights17/08/23 08:04 PM
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I think it's a little weird when feminists believe that men aren't expected to have "empathy" for women's issues. Women's issues dominate our societal consciousness. It's... obvious that men are expected to care about women's issues... more than their own issues. Feminists seem to live in backward land. I can't get over that fact.
/r/MensRights17/08/23 06:50 PM
2

One of the things I find odd about the CDC is that they have studies that identify parity between men and women in being raped by the opposite sex and, iirc, men being more abused by women yet they have more easily accessible information they say the opposite. I don't like believing in conspiracies, but it definitely seems like the CDC hides the real information in favor of the socially palatable information. I seem the same thing with these studies. It's almost like a tick these people have to …
/r/MensRights08/08/23 02:04 PM
8

This is always a weird topic. I've seen a number of these types of studies popping up, but it's been this way for a while. I think in 2012, the CDC (US not UK but still) found that females were perpetrators to male victims more than males were perpetrators to female victims. It's weird to me that we're just starting to talk about this now, and, even still, the numbers aren't often reflected in the conversation. This particular article suggests that the numbers are 1:4 (male victims: female victi…
/r/MensRights07/08/23 11:22 PM
6

They learn to parrot bullshit at a young age.
/r/MensRights04/08/23 01:57 PM
44

Because they're disingenuous?
/r/MensRights30/07/23 11:52 PM
10

I always think about that when someone brings up incels. The idea that they want a connection is foreign to people. They talk about encouraging people to talk about their emotions, but they tend to trivialize those emotions all the same.
/r/MensRights30/07/23 07:55 PM
10

One problem I noticed is that, in the case of the CDC report from 2012, "made to penetrate" cases with a female perpetrator and a male victim were actually higher than rape cases with a male perpetrator and a female victim. This analysis, though welcome, seems to downplay the fact that these two things are roughly equal. The FBI and CDC still consider rape to be the act of penetration, whereas drugging someone and forcing oneself on them is considered different. The reality is that since the ter…
/r/MensRights30/07/23 06:29 PM
14

Because of this comment, I started reading it and couldn't finish it because it was dumber than it initially sounded.
/r/MensRights30/07/23 04:00 PM
1

I'm not the one who uses the phrase.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/23 10:01 PM
2

I agree that it seems like a cult, but I don't think it's as powerful as it seems. I think a lot of people adopt the term because they're taught in school that it's about equality and equality sounds good. They don't really support the movement when it comes to the problems we see.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/23 01:43 PM
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The point is not to think about it. It's to adopt the moniker and repeat the mantra. That way, you will feel like you belong, and you won't think about the inconsistencies.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/23 01:37 PM
13

"Women are the proletariat." Thanks for making it look as silly as it feels.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/23 01:27 PM
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It's like how they went from "misandry doesn't exist" to "misandry irritates, misogyny kills." They have to acknowledge it's there to keep their credibility.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/23 01:25 PM
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Just as they're finding that our hunter-gatherer preconceptions about people are misinformed, we're also beginning to discover that our ideas about post agriculture revolution are misinformed also. We're finding out that women were far more respected in a number of cases that we initially believed which calls the whole "patriarchy since the ag revolution" into question.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/23 01:16 PM
4

Psychology today is a pretty shit resource in general.
/r/MensRights29/07/23 05:48 AM
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I feel the same way seeing misogyny on other subs and have taken a break from them since. To be honest, it seems like a feedback loop where misandry creates more misogyny, which creates more misandry, and it's just been getting more and more shrill over my lifetime. I try to stay away from it as much as possible, though I can sympathize with why so many men are becoming so misognistic.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/07/23 07:22 PM
3

Wouldn't you say that it was more of a disgust towards sexuality in general before?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/07/23 02:55 PM
6

Well no she was only repulsed by male sexuality. She didn't "shut shame"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/07/23 01:45 PM
22

This tracks with me, and I've thought the same thing about incels too. Growing up, I was raised by a mom who wasn't exactly a feminist, but she was repulsed by the male gaze and put that on me. It's kind of confusing realizing that non feminists are heavily influenced by feminists.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/07/23 01:29 PM
2

Yeah, suppose it probably wasn't a false accusation. I just read those exact words on an r/feminism post and couldn't comment that 1 out of 3 or 4 isn't "rare."
/r/MensRights27/07/23 02:46 PM
2

But false accusations are incredibly rare /s.
/r/MensRights27/07/23 02:30 PM
17

Because feminism support what they call patriarchy as long as it's rigged to put women on top? I've been trying to rationalize this for a while.
/r/MensRights26/07/23 03:47 PM
3

Gotta love Erin Pizzey.
/r/MensRights23/07/23 05:16 PM
23

I guess I don't find it so much odd as I find it telling.
/r/MensRights23/07/23 04:54 PM
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Kind of odd that they imply the reason for the increase in violence is that men aren't able to provide the right type lifestyle their wives want and then talk about how men aren't succeeding as well as they used to. It's almost like they're saying, "Yes, there's more violence, but these men aren't providing."
/r/MensRights23/07/23 04:38 PM
4

Well, she's not wrong about the divisiveness.
/r/MensRights22/07/23 05:29 PM
10

Since women are more likely to abuse, shouldn't it be less surprising when they are?
/r/MensRights14/07/23 01:37 PM
1

You were talking about walking with Christ and praying to the universe. I get that organized religion kind of burned its bridge more recently, but that does sound religious.
/r/MensRights12/07/23 01:56 PM
1

You told him to get hooked on phonics or get glasses
/r/MensRights12/07/23 01:53 PM
1

For a religious guy, you sure break down into insults pretty quick.
/r/MensRights12/07/23 01:50 PM
1

Yeah. I was going to say that that was a good reason for men to stay away from teaching.
/r/MensRights09/07/23 04:47 PM
5

I always have to wonder if it's really men emasculating other men as that cause of, say, men not going into teaching. I don't think it looks at the whole picture. Granted, I get tired of the alpha/beta male shit, but I don't think that's the root of the problem.
/r/MensRights09/07/23 03:17 PM
7

I've noticed that feminism informs both sides of the political spectrum. Women are the majority voters and, therefore, women are afforded a certain amount of attention. I used to call traditionalist women "conservative feminists" because when you actually broke them down to their core beliefs, they were mostly female chauvinists who believed that feigning submissiveness was more powerful than outright demanding. Men tend to oblige women (gynocentrism), but women are mostly informed by other wome…
/r/MensRights08/07/23 06:17 PM
1

Yep. And they aren't very active. I wonder why.
/r/MensRights08/07/23 04:57 PM
1

I found that funny too. If she isn't prepared to read the body of literature that already exists on the subject, what makes her think her ideas will be worth reading.
/r/MensRights08/07/23 04:56 PM
1

They're kind of a funny sub. Feminists don't take them seriously because they don't consider them feminist enough, and MRAs don't take them seriously because they don't criticize feminism.
/r/MensRights08/07/23 03:29 AM
2

It's a power imbalance that exists. It's hard to describe, but it's definitely a power imbalance.
/r/MensRights08/07/23 01:57 AM
2

these are so rare that we shouldn't talk about them I get so tired of hearing this. Too often, I find that, when they actually do have the stats, that it's not rare at all or about as rare as something we focus on tremendously when it happens to women. Basically, I don't think MensLib takes the Liberation part very seriously, but rather sees themselves as obedient. I do get tired of men being obedient.
/r/MensRights07/07/23 08:18 PM
3

I think it's a shame that the MRM has such a bad reputation. I think we need more men talking about their experiences. Usually men that talk about their negative experiences are first informed by feminism which poisons the waters on the quality of the information you get. It would be nice if more men felt comfortable being open about the problems they face.
/r/MensRights07/07/23 07:49 PM
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Well, I think it would be better not to address them at all if the alternative is to be condescending. It would be nice if feminists took the issues seriously...
/r/MensRights07/07/23 06:48 PM
4

I personally have a hard time taking MensLib seriously.
/r/MensRights07/07/23 06:40 PM
1

In the article she wrote for the guardian, she put way too much attention on how men don't have a dialog about small or stinky penises. She either doesn't take this very seriously, or she doesn't understand how extensive the problems really are. I think part of the problem is that feminists have been trained to look at MRAs as the enemy (supporters of patriarchy) for so long that they don't realize that MRAs have actually been doing this work for a long time. This is why she thinks she's groundb…
/r/MensRights07/07/23 06:19 PM
1

In the article she wrote for the guardian, she put way too much attention on how men don't have a dialog about small or stinky penises. She either doesn't take this very seriously, or she doesn't understand how extensive the problems really are. I think part of the problem is that feminists have been trained to look at MRAs as the enemy (supporters of patriarchy) for so long that they don't realize that MRAs have actually been doing this work for a long time. This is why she thinks she's groundb…
/r/MensRights07/07/23 06:17 PM
5

What's funny about Moran is that she's only highlighting things that have been talked about for decades. Feminists are mad at her for bending to MRAs' perspectives, and most other people are acting like these are new issues. Meanwhile, people like Elam are called recruiters for the alt right for saying these things for a long time. It's almost like we need women's permission to talk about our issues in the first place.
/r/MensRights06/07/23 02:56 PM
1

Well you sound like a very interesting feminist, if you don't mind me saying that. Since you said that you make a point of reminding yourself what you love about men, what would you say are good masculine traits. I'm always a little curious since I have trouble coming up with a list myself.
/r/MensRights05/07/23 11:31 PM
7

While the change of pace from hate to love is appreciated, are you looking for converts?
/r/MensRights05/07/23 10:45 PM
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I only got so far (maybe I'll finish it later) before it began to irritate me. Moran's overconfidence mixed with the author's self-flaggelation makes it hard to finish. It sounds like Moran believes she's the first person to observe that boys and men face hardship. People have been writing about it for a long time. It just doesn't get attention, which is why Moran thinks her observations are so novel. Perhaps, if people had taken these things seriously when they were brought up, they wouldn't be…
/r/MensRights05/07/23 10:19 PM
3

Looks kind of like you put more into this than the guy you're responding to.
/r/MensRights05/07/23 09:55 PM
10

I agree
/r/MensRights05/07/23 03:49 AM
13

So I guess you think women shouldn't have the right to vote?
/r/MensRights05/07/23 02:09 AM
22

Well Pearl's a bit extreme, but Ava made her look like the sane one.
/r/MensRights04/07/23 11:28 PM
3

What do you mean?
/r/MensRights04/07/23 03:47 AM
28

There is no end goal or ‘happy number’ to meet. I'm always a little curious when feminists talk about the end of patriarchy. I have to wonder what that looks like to them.
/r/MensRights04/07/23 12:16 AM
7

I thought for a while before posting this. I dated one feminist. In truth, I think she was the only girlfriend I ever had that really loved me back. With that said, she was incredibly emotionally unstable to the point that she actually terrified me. I don't think we take psychological abuse as a society seriously enough. She never directly threatened me, but when she'd fly into a rage, I'd be afraid of her trying to kill me. Basically, she kept everything so unbalanced all the time that it was l…
/r/MensRights01/07/23 07:12 PM
1

We need pest control?
/r/MensRights01/07/23 05:31 PM
9

I think the fact that he's founding a think tank for boys and men's issues is a great turn of events. My thinking is that he seems reluctant to criticize feminism. I think there's a real push for everything gender to fall under the umbrella of feminism, but I think an honest account will find that feminism is a fundamental part of the problem. I'm suggesting that if he doesn't take a stand against feminism, the problem will be looked to for a solution.
/r/MensRights30/06/23 11:17 PM
9

I have to wonder if he's poised to address the cultural bias against boys and men that create these issues in the first place. He seems to have an unbalanced idea on just how damaging feminist conversation has been.
/r/MensRights30/06/23 08:52 PM
1

I don't get what you mean by setting a higher standard
/r/MensRights30/06/23 01:12 PM
5

Haha. Well, more power to you then. I've got no problem with people advocating for equality.
/r/MensRights30/06/23 06:32 AM
5

Why are you still a feminist if you feel that way? It doesn't sound like you're taking to the programming. Also, I've my maleness the hardest thing to not identify with because it's not so much how I identify, but how I'm identified.
/r/MensRights30/06/23 05:13 AM
5

I'm always a little curious why people go the other way. Why does this make you lose hope?
/r/MensRights30/06/23 01:15 AM
28

Did Gearhart start this phrase?
/r/MensRights28/06/23 11:54 PM
6

Well cluster b personality disorders are low empathy personality disorders like narcissistic personality disorder. Basically, they kind of highlight what you said.
/r/MensRights27/06/23 11:07 PM
17

That's basically the difference in the male typical vs female typical cluster b personality disorders.
/r/MensRights27/06/23 11:02 PM
3

Are they mostly involved in statistics?
/r/MensRights27/06/23 01:33 AM
17

To be fair to the feminists of yesteryear, they didn't understand shit about genetics. I have found it funny that you can watch some of these unscientific ideas continue on into the present in weird ways. Perkins-Gilman had some weird ideas about white female supremacy.
/r/MensRights27/06/23 01:18 AM
12

Interesting read. I'm glad someone is pointing out that gynocentrism need not be biological.
/r/MensRights27/06/23 12:46 AM
17

They also say that a man stepping away from an argument is a form of abuse: stonewalling.
/r/MensRights26/06/23 04:57 AM
39

I know it's still media, but do you think social media is more to blame? It's like echo chambers make people go haywire.
/r/MensRights26/06/23 12:26 AM
1

I agree about the social conditioning. I'm always a little more hesitant to agree about it being a biological truth.
/r/MensRights25/06/23 07:11 PM
1

its also no fun that people assume we're all harmless little delicate butterflies Lol. I've noticed for a while that benevolent sexism in feminism creates weird traps for women. Mainly, I'm thinking of how Clinton billed herself as a loving mother and grandmother. This seemed contrary to feminist thinking, but yet she used it because she knew it would play out well in the polls.
/r/MensRights25/06/23 06:52 PM
4

I think this is a good analysis. What I'm saying is that, in academia, the idea is that men are placed above women in "the hierarchy." I would argue that it doesn't make it true, and your post highlights why I would say that academia is wrong, but that doesn't change the fact that every generation alive today has been taught that men are above women in "the hierarchy."
/r/MensRights25/06/23 06:49 PM
1

I don't disagree with you, but I'm always a little curious why this happens.
/r/MensRights25/06/23 06:44 PM
3

>I don't want to be viewed as a victim just based on my gender. This seems fair. I've heard other women say this too. It does seem to flow from these ideas about hierarchies though. I think we need more people saying these notions of power dynamics are overly simplified personally.
/r/MensRights25/06/23 06:43 PM
12

I think society feels men ought to succeed because the idea of patriarchy or power dynamics favoring men is so ubiquitous. Basically, if a man doesn't succeed with everything in society favoring him, he's a failure whereas a woman is just the victim of social hierarchies. I don't really agree with this, but that's the general assumption I think.
/r/MensRights25/06/23 06:33 PM
26

> Psychological and emotional forms of abuse tend to cause a more negative impact and greater feelings of fear than physical aggression. I always suspected this. Do you have a source?
/r/MensRights25/06/23 06:26 PM
9

This seems like the basic argument of intersectionality.
/r/MensRights25/06/23 06:18 PM
1

The sad part is that that's not too far off from the truth.
/r/MensRights25/06/23 04:25 PM
1

He makes some good points, but I'd say there's still some holes in his analysis.
/r/MensRights25/06/23 01:11 AM
54

I feel like I'm walking on eggshells in society. I kind of think it's the point...
/r/MensRights25/06/23 12:19 AM
2

Yeah it makes a bit of sense. I know it's hard to put these things to words.
/r/MensRights24/06/23 09:05 PM
1

It's hard to say. It's almost like we can feel empathy towards something we can conceptualize, and we can't conceptualize it unless we've experienced it. I had a teacher in elementary school who defined empathy as "feeling another person's pain." She probably wasn't very helpful.
/r/MensRights24/06/23 09:02 PM
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Well, who you were responding to seemed to suggest that empathy needs to first be understood. In other words, you can't have empathy towards men if you don't understand the issues they face. Your description seems to be what empathy is usually described as. Basically, I've noticed that people seem to selective empathy, which is in line with the definition that you responded to. It makes me think that we mischaracterize empathy.
/r/MensRights24/06/23 08:06 PM
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What do you mean by a "more feminine way of expressing myself"? I have a hard time understanding the difference between feminine and masculine when it comes to defining it. I'm trying to square that concept with how I've dealt with trying to be open to women in the past.
/r/MensRights24/06/23 07:38 PM
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They see sad men who cannot explain what's wrong as weak. Honestly, I typically see a disregard for men's sadness whether or not they can explain what's wrong.
/r/MensRights24/06/23 07:22 PM
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Clearly, me and you have had a very different experience of this sub/life We must have. I've also seen people new to this sub say that they don't want to dismiss what women go through. It seems, to me, like a knee-jerk reaction to operating on the wider internet.
/r/MensRights24/06/23 06:16 PM
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I kind of agree with you. On this sub, women's issues are either invisible or dismissed by and large. But I'd argue this sub is countercultural. Men's Rights still have a long way to go before society at large recognizes that there's even a need for this conversation. I'd say most men take women's issues seriously. Even on here, I see men talk about not wanting to undermine women's issues.
/r/MensRights24/06/23 06:03 PM
2

I'm partly convinced that "empathy" is inaccurately perceived based on this exchange.
/r/MensRights24/06/23 05:54 PM
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> by no means do i want to downplay the societal challenges that women have to face. You don't need to qualify yourself by trying to sympathize with a women's perspective here. It's a weird, unnecessary tick that we've adopted in the last five years. To answer your question, I've gotten used to fading out into the background
/r/MensRights24/06/23 02:37 AM
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I think I saw your post on the feminism sub. I'm glad you made it here. What kind of things do they say?
/r/MensRights24/06/23 12:36 AM
4

Hang in there. The wheels of change are always moving, and things are looking brighter bit by bit, day by day.
/r/MensRights24/06/23 12:31 AM
10

I'm guessing Karen White is the person with the beard. It's funny that the way this guy phrases it, it seems like it's the feminist position to let men in women's prisons. I remember a TRA threw sauce on Posey Parker and IIRC, JK Rowling blamed it on MRAs. It seems like yet another way of throwing MRAs under the bus.
/r/MensRights24/06/23 12:25 AM
1

I get what you're saying but I don't think men are responding to women's dictates. I think all these attitudes come from a traditional mindset mixed with a feminist mindset. Basically feminism mimics a lot of traditional ideas in order to piggyback on more established cultural attitudes.
/r/MensRights23/06/23 01:00 PM
6

>If a man helps another man that requires help, he'll increase his own competition beside simply helping that guy overcome his burderns. I don't know how true this is. I've heard before that human men are the most cooperative males out of any species on this planet. It's how we've helped build civilization. I don't think we're doomed simply because there's an in-group bias in women and an out-group bias in men. I wonder whether that's natural or cultivated.
/r/MensRights22/06/23 11:07 PM
2

Seems like an odd choice of examples.
/r/MensRights22/06/23 10:58 PM
1

I remember before they changed, they did an account of their biases. They found that they were slightly anti-war. It seems they decided recently that being unbiased was unimportant.
/r/MensRights22/06/23 06:54 PM
5

Oh ok. I see what you're saying.
/r/MensRights21/06/23 11:23 PM
4

I'm confused. What're you trying to say?
/r/MensRights21/06/23 11:06 PM
3

Lmao. Well I'll take your recommendation and skip that one.
/r/MensRights21/06/23 10:54 PM
3

Lmao. Well at least you survived.
/r/MensRights21/06/23 10:45 PM
2

I kind of assumed you were dragged to it by the sounds of it lol
/r/MensRights21/06/23 10:18 PM
9

I've seen advertisements for this. All I can say is that it doesn't seem like my kind of movie and, from the trailers, at least Jennifer Lawrence realizes that this makes it look like her career is in the toilet.
/r/MensRights21/06/23 10:13 PM
3

Thank you for such a thoughtful response. I read a comment this morning saying that they were open to women taking the helm, and I don't know how to explain why I think that's a bad idea, so it got me to thinking about power and abuse of power. Please don’t get me wrong I understand the intent for women wanting to vet their prospective dates and I think that is fantastic at its core but didn’t it hardly last at all before meaner, viler, bitter people saw an opportunity to abuse it for all sorts …
/r/MensRights21/06/23 09:25 PM
4

Yep. I'm about the same. Too much gets sacrificed for sex whether it's a relationship or just a one night stand.
/r/MensRights21/06/23 08:07 PM
5

Oh ok. If I remember right, NPR got a new editor in 2016 and became heavily pro-feminism. I stopped listening. I think the media got a massive influx of feminists. It would be nice to know for sure though.
/r/MensRights21/06/23 07:39 PM
43

I agree that society tends to demonize male sexuality. It's been that way for a long time. Why do you think men are more sexual though?
/r/MensRights21/06/23 07:29 PM
13

I wouldn't say NPR is less biased. I noticed a dramatic change in bias in 2016 and they weren't unbiased before that.
/r/MensRights21/06/23 07:27 PM
6

Would you say AWDTSG is oppressive?
/r/MensRights21/06/23 07:17 PM
43

Why is it that women feel like men's only spaces are filled with misogyny and are used to oppress women?
/r/MensRights21/06/23 02:35 PM
2

I remember caring about the bohemian grove
/r/MensRights21/06/23 02:19 PM
3

It's not even the extreme feminists that argue that
/r/MensRights20/06/23 10:54 PM
3

Well, for what it's worth, I tend to agree with you that gender equality shouldn't be such a contentious issue. Unfortunately, I've learned the hard way that it really is. That sums up why I walked away from feminism. Partly why I asked why feminists shouldn't be expected to bridge the gap is because MRAs, unlike feminists, don't have the bully pulpit. Mary P Koss is a good example. From my vantage, we often take women's issues seriously because there is a lot of weight behind the advocacy for w…
/r/MensRights20/06/23 10:23 PM
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I'm trying not to make it one side vs. the other, but that's what it became. I think maybe the concept of patriarchy is poisoning the water here. Why do you believe that MRAs have the ability to bridge this gap and not feminists instead?
/r/MensRights20/06/23 09:47 PM
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With all due respect, Men's Rights didn't shun Feminism; Feminism shunned Men's Rights. Go to a feminist space and advocate for male SA victims. You'll be called an MRA. Try it with friends irl, they'll shun you.
/r/MensRights20/06/23 09:09 PM
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"This research very clearly demonstrates the disproportionate harm that the cost-of-living emergency is having on women and children." When did they ask the children? At this point, these researchers don't even try to disguise that they favor women.
/r/MensRights20/06/23 06:28 PM
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So women are most affected... because women are the only focus?
/r/MensRights20/06/23 05:37 PM
2

And I bet it's only gotten more intense since the 90s
/r/MensRights18/06/23 05:47 PM
11

I think it's a little weird that we always focus on boys' role models. I've only ever heard girls' role models discussed in saying that we need more women in x to be role models for girls. We don't look for them in fiction. I doubt girls have role models modeling scholastic achievement, which begs the question of why boys need academics modeled, but girls don't. I'd say the authors of those books are side-stepping the fact that schools tend to be more hostile to boys than girls. I wish we had se…
/r/MensRights17/06/23 11:18 PM
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I saw a report that said that there was a discrepancy between standardized tests and how female teachers grade female students. Aside from the way that boys are demonized by society and school, girls are also given preferential treatment in school. Kind of flies in the face of positive reinforcement as a teaching mechanism.
/r/MensRights17/06/23 11:13 PM
1

Haha. Yeah sometimes I want to get off this ride. It only seems to be getting worse.
/r/MensRights17/06/23 06:48 PM
2

What do you mean exactly?
/r/MensRights16/06/23 11:26 PM
14

That's fair. I was pretty angry at that guy crying on Instagram, but that's because I looked him up and it sounds like his job is going to corporations to talk about toxic masculinity. Now that feels like "man-face" to me. I also don't think most transmen are like that though.
/r/MensRights16/06/23 09:07 PM
40

Translation: "Women are children."
/r/MensRights16/06/23 08:02 PM
20

I don't think they're "hamming it up." I think they're actively trying to act like men. Transwomen do the same thing to similar levels of animosity. They all seem to be trying to be authentic. Granted, what I noticed with the guy crying on Instagram, transmen don't seem to be equipped with the right insights into what it means to be a man to society. A cisman wouldn't go on Instagram to cry about how lonely he feels no matter how genuine that was. Personally, I think transmen's insights can be v…
/r/MensRights16/06/23 05:57 PM
9

They can't be sexist. They're trying to smash the patriarchy. /s
/r/MensRights16/06/23 05:12 PM
15

Those women are de facto men because they're working on behalf of the patriarchy. On a somewhat related note: I find it funny that Roe v Wade was decided by 9 male justices, but it was overturned by 5 males and 4 females.
/r/MensRights16/06/23 05:09 PM
1

Kind of like so many young men see Andrew Tate as a role model. It seems like the divide between men and women/ boys and girls has only gotten wider since I was a kid. I don't hear a lot of good ideas on how to bridge the gap either. There has to be a breaking point though
/r/MensRights16/06/23 05:07 PM
6

I wish we started taking women as abusers seriously. They're more than twice as likely to abuse. Maybe it's because we jump through hoops like this to say that it's not really abuse.
/r/MensRights16/06/23 02:24 PM
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Kind of sounds like what they say patriarchy is, doesn't it?
/r/MensRights16/06/23 02:17 PM
2

Apparently not
/r/MensRights16/06/23 11:25 AM
2

Yeah but, from what I'd heard, the UK was less serious about this than the US.
/r/MensRights16/06/23 11:25 AM
6

I think Wikipedia is saying the wiki article about the GGSC isn't thorough. I mean I'd say that a UC article from something called the "Greater Good Science Center" sounds about as woke as it gets, and you can critique the source that way, but it's coming from a source that's valid. Plus I also think that the Alpha Male is BS, but for different reasons than this guy wrote about.
/r/MensRights16/06/23 12:25 AM
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I don't get what you're trying to argue here. I clicked on the link and it took me to the article "The Myth of the Alpha Male". Your photos are of the GGSC, where the article came from.
/r/MensRights16/06/23 12:17 AM
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This made me chuckle.
/r/MensRights15/06/23 07:22 PM
27

The barrage of nasty texts brought back memories. How common is this?
/r/MensRights15/06/23 07:16 PM
5

I can't take articles like this seriously
/r/MensRights15/06/23 06:53 PM
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Well, she's serving four years for lying. That's a change of pace. Maybe they're starting to take this stuff seriously.
/r/MensRights15/06/23 02:51 PM
1

Yeah. I don't much like redpill stuff. It always feels like the same old bullshit.
/r/MensRights15/06/23 01:36 PM
2

Its still a prejudice plus power concept. It's the same argument.
/r/MensRights15/06/23 01:20 PM
22

I was thinking about Andrew Dice Clay today and how he'd be crucified for his comedy now. I'd argue that women had it rougher in the 80s than now, but I have some thoughts on why they say things are getting worse: Think of it like a tight rope. You can pull the rope so tight and it will appear straight (like a slack line), but in order to use it as a tight rope, you have to pull it incredibly tight so that it doesn't bob under the person's weight. Imagine men are the rope. Being stretched. In ot…
/r/MensRights15/06/23 03:48 AM
9

Alienation sucks no matter when it happens. I know how it feels.
/r/MensRights15/06/23 03:37 AM
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I'm sorry you lost a friend over this. I've noticed that Feminists police each other's behaviors and Men's Rights isn't compatible with Feminism. It's a strange cult-like environment. That's probably the best you're going to get from your old friend on why he blocked you. You fell out of line and he's probably afraid of being ostracized himself.
/r/MensRights15/06/23 03:08 AM
9

I never said the argument was valid; I said the argument was the same.
/r/MensRights15/06/23 01:45 AM
1

I know what you mean. I doubt I'll ever be the "dad" part of that but I see myself going down the same route.
/r/MensRights14/06/23 10:08 PM
9

In fairness, they use the same logic, so it is the same argument but about two completely different things. They like to suggest that race and gender function the same way (i.e. "black men are the white men of black people.") I'd argue they're specifically trying to erase race from the discussion to make the discussion exclusively about gender.
/r/MensRights14/06/23 09:59 PM
4

I have a friend that this reminds me of. I don't really hear from him anymore. From what he tells me, he basically just works now. He inspires me to think about men's rights in the way that he voluntarily takes on all this bullshit. Men should be able to think about themselves sometimes. He internalized the workhorse mentality and got screwed by it.
/r/MensRights14/06/23 09:49 PM
2

Glad to help :)
/r/MensRights14/06/23 07:51 PM
7

I don't think it will always be bad. You can call me an optimist for having that opinion. Society has never really acknowledged how it negatively impacts men. Society has been held to task for mistreating women since 1848. We're just getting used to these ideas. It's hard to gauge because, currently, anything misogynistic is talked about as if it's world ending, but the younger generation of boys seem to be pushing back more than boys from my generation ever did. I think men have been obedient f…
/r/MensRights14/06/23 07:47 PM
23

To offend a woman is to slight a woman, and to slight a woman is to hate a woman. So basically, anything that a person says that might offend a woman is a sign that they hate women. That's why misogyny is getting worse. Women are more easily offended. Just keep walking on eggshells. Just keep walking on eggshells...
/r/MensRights14/06/23 02:57 PM
2

But they're also supposedly more empathetic. An empathetic person should be able to recognize abuse.
/r/MensRights14/06/23 01:13 PM
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I always find it funny how women are seen as the victims of women's choices -- sometimes their own individual choices.
/r/MensRights14/06/23 01:30 AM
10

I'm still a little angry from James Barnes, the trans coach, saying pretty much the same thing. How is this frame of mind so popular all of a sudden? It seems too common to be simple coincidence.
/r/MensRights14/06/23 12:33 AM
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> Call it the loneliness of the oppressor. It comes from existing in a world that wants you to win – that is set up for you, and slavishly caters to your desires, but does not make you feel good. It is the byproduct of living in a society where, as a man, you systematically get paid more, and entertained more, and your words carry more weight, but where the days still feel empty, pained and pointless. What kind of fucking world does this guy live in? Let's go down the list: Men are not systemati…
/r/MensRights13/06/23 11:43 PM
2

I would tend to say you were taken advantage of. Most of society will tell you it's your fault. It's probably best to just come to terms with it and don't drink so much. Most people won't have a sympathetic ear, and that's not your fault either.
/r/MensRights13/06/23 11:09 PM
4

I think of Sargento cheese.
/r/MensRights13/06/23 11:05 PM
3

There are so many linguistic problems with these types of articles that it takes time to highlight them. I don't know if it's intentional or not, but they detract from the point the article is specifically written to make.
/r/MensRights13/06/23 10:09 PM
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