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Terminating paternal rights should be every bit as impactful (in every way) as an abortion then. You do want things to be fair don't you?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 06:37 PM
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Men don't financially support the mothers of their children. They financially support their children
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 06:35 PM
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I sure hope you're under father's comments screaming and crying their kids aren't theirs
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 06:34 PM
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Have them as in, gestate and give birth. Uhm yeah so now what
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 05:40 PM
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What the hell are you talking about rn? That men can't have kids?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 05:26 PM
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No, giving one party all the power through a signature is not making the situation equitable
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 05:26 PM
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You can't remove biological reality but you can mitigate it. Through law. Similarly to how a physically stronger person can't just fuck your shit up
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 05:14 PM
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Bodily autonomy
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 05:11 PM
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Why are you so fixated on casual sex? Wouldn't paper abortion allow a loving boyfriend to sign out of his girlfriend's accidental pregnancy? Isn't that great?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 05:10 PM
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"Men didn't create women's biology, so it's not men that are making your body go through the consequences of pregnancy. If I could wave a wand and make that a non-issue for women, I would." And I also would. Alas, we can't. The reproductive reality of women if paper abortion was a thing - not an equitable fantasy of yours - would be to bear all cost and responsibility, alone
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 04:13 PM
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There is no logical reasoning for wanting to forgo any and all reproductive responsibility
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 04:11 PM
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Birth and abort your own kids, in your own bodies then. Oh wait-
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 04:04 PM
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It's a joint experience between two people what women alone would risk anything from. Address that for a change
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 04:03 PM
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I do think that wanting to leave women alone with all remaining reproductive responsibility is pretty evil
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 04:01 PM
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No, women would not be giving it up as freely if there was a risk of getting left with a baby and the baby daddy's fuckass goodbye signature
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 03:40 PM
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You are going to be paying for that government funding for all sorts of bastards. And the boy's parents too. For aaaaall the whoopsie children men are going to be freely abandoning if paper abortion's put in place. Because if paper abortion's a thing, no man is ever going to wear a condom again. Why? The woman's going to be dealing with this one way or another (The woman's going to be dealing with this one way or another)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 03:36 PM
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On that note, I hope all men realise that if getting sex is difficult now, paper abortion would make it, uh, not easier But it feels like men want middle age gender dynamics to make a comeback so that's probably not a concern
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 03:33 PM
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If you're only taking into account things that do or don't benefit men, you're going to reach some damn manly conclusions Men get to have babies without endangering their bodies and, overwhelmingly, careers. But you don't care about that do you Both sides get risks, both get benefits. But you want it all don't you
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 03:30 PM
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Well, from our point of view men want to bear no costs and reap all benefits edit: all i can really say atp is im so glad the birthrates are going down. i hope they go below zero actually
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 12:40 PM
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"Fancy dates is not the end all be all, after all, or at least I don't think it should be. So is it that there is no reward or is it that maybe the man sees nothing wrong with not having fancy dinner dates?" They aren't necessarily. The reason dinner dates are cited more often than other activities is because they're somewhat the norm, culturally. It's a symbol But you've mentioned that you do take your girl out for dates, and mentioned deserving it also Because it really is not just women that …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 07:38 AM
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"So, women are lazy and lose the novelty too?" Well, yeah that's what happens in a relationship. People relax their standards for themselves. That's normal. In a similar manner, I don't expect a couple that's been together for a few years to go on dinner dates at the frequency they used to initially "Also, don't women doll up for themselves and not for any man?" No, although liberal feminism might insist that they do. It's patriarchal beauty standards, if you know how women dress and look at hom…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 07:25 AM
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"So you meet a guy, and he seems like a gentleman, but you’re not comfortable making out with him yet and wanna go on another date before you commit to that" I've mentioned "first dates", plural. As in, a couple dates in. I don't think a fancy first date dinner is necessary, and I'm not fixated on very first dates in particular A couple dates in, sure "When you get out of his car on the way home he suddenly starts acting cold; he wanted to make out and you’re denying him that" Comparing dinner t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 07:19 AM
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You're probably going to be seeing her dolled up way more often than two years into the relationship Let's also ignore that women invest much more into the relationship later on
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 06:42 AM
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Yeah, sexual incompability usually doesn't randomly turn into sexual compability
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 06:40 AM
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Could you elaborate a little on what you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 10:54 PM
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It might be hard for you to comprehend since you seem to assume every man is a piece of shit from the get go And when have I said that? Hm? I said they don't tend to randomly engage in traditional courting behaviours - in this case, dinner dates - if that dynamic wasn't established from the start. You seem to think that makes them assholes - I quite agree but I didn't put these words in your mouth It's common sense. Most people reserve that sort of gestures for the initial stages of dating Is th…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 08:05 PM
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"Dinner dates are for girlfriends or for girls you're quite certain you want to take seriously in the future." That's so naive. No man that's never had to do dinner dates with a girl is going to randomly go... Wait, I appreciate her so much I'm going to do it... and I'll pay! First dates set the tone for the rest of the relationship, men are lazy, and sexual novelty that they're so into wears off quickly. No dinner dates initially means no dinner dates forever, that's what it means
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 05:03 PM
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...They do. You're right to notice it won't be as direct. It also takes time coaxing out that information. Eventually, they'll say something like this "if it’s someone is attractive and has a lot of options and you want to make the best impression, you should know you’ll have to pay for her. (At least in the US). I don’t ask them to split unless I don’t like them" or like this, "because most men settle and do not get the woman they find attractive in their life. so what romance?" or this, "Depen…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 03:35 PM
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I agree
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 11:16 AM
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Well, that's great for you, and for her. But realistically, for us relationship mortals, it rarely happens. People rarely put in more effort at latter stages when they first see they don't have to
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 07:34 AM
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Yup
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 10:08 PM
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I feel like the situation can get tricky with large income disparities. Proportional contribution seems reasonable, but I've never been in that situation
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 12:33 PM
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How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 09:46 AM
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I don't understand. You said you're not paying but also that you buy her things and put in effort to celebrate holidays? Do you mean you weren't paying initially, or that she puts in equal finances towards your relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 09:29 AM
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No, you're just assuming
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 09:12 AM
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I would like to say nothing, which would be my part of 50/50. But I have cooked for him a few times which is more effort than a dinner date. The cost of ingredients + my labour
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 08:03 AM
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At least there's that. Do you have children, or are you planning to? If yes, then how are holding up your part of 50/50? If no, ignore the question
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 08:02 AM
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I get that. It's not really what's happening here though, we have had some conversations But yeah, it's also not as black and white for me as it might have come off as
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 07:11 AM
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That's all I meant
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 06:28 AM
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"Using me" in the future, by expecting me to sacrifice my body and earning potential to have a child with him The current arrangement does work for me, but not with children involved
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 06:27 AM
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I think he's an adult, and shouldn't assume he will receive extra effort for free. If he's not using me, he'll understand
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 06:21 AM
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Why should I? I don't need to have children
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 06:18 AM
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My boyfriend's cautionary tale will be to stop expecting extra effort in a financially 50/50 relationship😝
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 06:15 AM
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"Your "most relationships" doesn't mean every relationship" As you yourself noticed, it doesn't, and it never meant to. It is a generalization, given that an average woman (western hemisphere, despite lower birthrates) still has at least one child I am aware there are different circumstances
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 06:13 AM
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I'm not looking for advice here. This is a cautionary tale, for other women's benefit
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 06:06 AM
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Do I want to have children? Maybe. But I alone would be bearing the cost. Why should I? Would you think it's reasonable to expect a man to buy a house for both people to live in, because he'll... also get to live there? Like, doesn't he want a house? Lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 05:55 AM
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I'm still in that relationship, still paying 50/50. I don't know how I'm going to go about it in the future, but I do know where 50/50 has got me so far. So yeah. My advice is don't do it
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 05:46 AM
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Yes, I did say I pay 50/50 - so shouldn't my story be real inspirational to you? You should be going awwww rn. Why aren't you
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 05:41 AM
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Long-term, I'm expected to do things, yeah Since I've started with my own experience, I'll just continue. My boyfriend often talks about having children eventually. But why would I have that man's children and lose a whole bunch of real money and earning potential if he can't even cover the cost of a date? I'm not doing that. And I'm not just believing he will step up financially when I'm vulnerable. Don't you think that would be a little naive?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 05:29 AM
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I do get that. But in my experience, once a man tastes 50/50, it's 50/50 forever. When you're dating, and eventually when you're in a relationship and you're still transferring pennies to each other, and at last when you have his children and have lost some earning potential
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 05:25 AM
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Have you payed for other women before her?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 05:21 AM
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It's problematic because in most relationships women invest much more long-term. Through pregnancy. It's a vulnerable time in all ways, but also financially. Women lose real money at the time but also earning potential - forever. Many also have trouble keeping jobs after maternity leave How do you suggest women vet for financial stingyness, if not through seeing that men are willing to part with some money for them? Like, dinner money, I'm not talking about designer bags
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 05:18 AM
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Why is that shit talking? It's a relationship men here dream about. If you believe in 50/50, it's actually a really heartwarming story🫢
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 05:10 AM
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Because it's not mutually exclusive? A man shouldn't pay if he doesn't want to. And a woman should always be prepared to cover her own part with grace In my opinion, whether the man wants to cover the date means something though. But it should be absolutely voluntary
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 05:07 AM
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I have no idea what you're trying to say
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 10:28 PM
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It's the same general logic but taken too far. Would you prefer to buy a plate of pasta or have your hole stuffed by a stranger? Sex is intimate, moreso for women than men, and most women will not have sex immediately regardless of how much they like you. It's unusual That being said, I do understand the value of sexual attraction. If the woman doesn't show it at all, that's not great. Again, a fine line to thread because some women are very forward and some very shy And yes, I don't think it's …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 10:21 PM
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Then again, what you're describing is not at all what OP was arguing for either I like to think I do mostly understand the male pov here. I do believe that demands, entitlement, and a lack of appreciation from women are very much red flags. It's a fine line to tread "It's not just "if he wanted to, he would". That implies a woman's value to him is based on how much he spends/effort" Sure but... how can one appreciate something they never got in the first place? The process does need to start som…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 10:05 PM
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Yeah. I wish it was about the money. I have a job, I can pay for myself. It's really about how much they value you though
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 09:52 PM
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She shouldn't have to be hung up on it, ideally
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 08:57 PM
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But it's not a qualifier. We know that. It's a disqualifier If he treats you, that can mean whatever - sure If he doesn't though, it's almost guaranteed he does not like you
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 08:50 PM
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Unfortunately, women - thank you internet - can now see what men have to say about the subject. And men will say, time and time again, that they will treat a girl they really like. We can see that you know? Of course you won't want to invest in a girl you don't like that much, hence simultaneously arguing for splitting the bill. The issue is, uhh, that we kind of don't want to be that girl Ultimately, I was the cool girl that paid for herself in the beginning of my current relationship. And I'll…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 08:41 PM
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You just know it's straight offering pussy
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 12:13 PM
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She didn't become... destitute. She started working full-time. She's now financially independent... jobs tend to offer that
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 07:49 AM
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Yes please use crayons because that's some childish thinking If she had followed the patriarchal expectations, she'd be in a very similar situation except worse - this way, at least she had job experience and a half-time position already, which allowed her to fall on her feet financially Being financially dependent on men, historically, did women very little good If unpaid labour is so great, then you do it. It's strange how men don't want to isn't it
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 07:28 AM
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You said feminism has resulted in her getting bled dry - elaborate on that Because I think it was patriarchal expectation that the mother stay at home with the baby combined with the egalitarian notion of 50/50 financially You're seeing how... it's a man demanding the best of both worlds for himself? Not feminism, and not even strictly patriarchy? Are you saying men are always going to abuse the system, so why even bother? But from the point of view of women, the solution would then be to abstai…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 06:11 AM
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Oh so now you're calling financial abuse and reproductive exploitation... feminism A curious approach you have I say apples are oranges then. Can't argue with me, and if you will, I'll just say they're bananas
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 08:53 PM
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A story about financial abuse and here comes you screaming about equality. If that's equality, I do wish you get that exact flavour
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 08:21 PM
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It doesn't determine it. But strict 50/50 is much more likely to indicate selfishness rather than generosity And, as I've said in the thread, you just don't know that the person is ever going to step up. Blindly believing it is just naive at best
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 06:35 PM
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Uh, yeah. If a man lived in what legally qualifies to be a common law marriage, he deserves the legal consequences Maybe just opt out of co-habitating? Why do you need to do that?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:29 AM
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I just love men's freudian slips
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:24 AM
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Wait is that good or bad for me😭 edit: oh it's good for me
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 12:28 PM
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And when have I said anything about lifelong financial compensation? I said that pregnancy deserves compensation, period. Make it a lump sum, I don't really care You seem really stubborn to stick to 0$ of financial compensation. Don't you worry, there's wiggle room between that and paying lifelong salary to your baby mama Child support is for separated parents. Even when both parents are married, the woman still deserves compensation No, I haven't isolated men as the cause. I thought we establis…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:51 PM
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"You’re proving my point. First it was biology, now it’s money." ...It's both. Biology costs women money "If your standard is that men owe women additional compensation simply for being female and capable of pregnancy" ...No, not capable of pregnancy. Actually being pregnant and giving birth to your kids "And “women come out on top monetarily” isn’t universally true either." I literally said it's men that come out on top monetarily. Jesus christ it's like talking to the wall. Yes, it's true, for…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 12:17 PM
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"You’re treating biology as though it creates a permanent imbalance that men can never repay" No, men can. Men just don't want to. For example, if there's no biological way for men to make up for pregnancy, there's always money. Let's make that unpaid labour, paid. Why do I feel like you're not going to like this though? "Healthy relationships aren’t about finding an identical biological equivalent for every sacrifice. They’re about both partners continually contributing in the ways they can ove…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 04:47 AM
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⁠Child support is generally for separated parents ⁠No, you claim to be in favor of egalitarianism. But you seem to think any effort to make up for the difficulties women face to have your children is entitlement. Ngl, that sounds mad entitled to me ⁠The alternative isn't a padded room and saltines. It's not having children - a choice an increasing number of women are making. Do you think it's a coincidence? Getting pregnant as a woman is thankless and risky
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 11:19 PM
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Child support is generally for separated parents No, you claim to be in favor of egalitarianism. But you seem to think any effort to make up for the difficulties women face to have your children is entitlement. Ngl, that sounds mad entitled to me The alternative isn't a padded room and saltines. It's not having children - a choice an increasing number of women are making. Do you think it's a coincidence? Getting pregnant as a woman is thankless and risky
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 11:18 PM
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"You’re taking a legitimate point that pregnancy is physically demanding and turning it into an assumption about all men" I'm actually not. Re-read the thread... but you probably won't so find a copy/paste below for your convenience And it's not that every man who prefers 50/50 will eventually turn financially abusive. Many do step up. But how do you know if you don't vet for it? If the man doesn't show he can be generous towards you at all. You don't "Plenty of fathers take paternity leave, wak…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 11:10 PM
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Because it will never apply to men. So they don't care. They think it's normal, and expected, and honestly most of all a punishment for spreading your legs. That's right. You clearly wanted a kid if you're having it so shut up now and don't expect anything Every once in a while I point out that pregnancy is difficult and painful and expensive particularly for women (lost earning potential) and that men don't care And every single time they'll be like, yeah we don't lol. It's eye opening
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:37 AM
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...no it's not
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 03:22 PM
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Well, you for one seem to favour free labour I'm not even speaking negatively about 50/50 as such in the thread. It's just that a man who nickel and dimes you from the start, will likely nickel and dime you when you have his children and lose some financial independence. Do you think that he wouldn't?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 02:05 PM
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When he's saving money because of her sacrificing income to raise their children? You really think that and pinky swear you're not trolling?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 01:37 PM
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Does that situation really sound equal to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 01:19 PM
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I would actually love it if women worked and men stayed at home taking care of the baby. No, genuinely I would love that. I also wish men could gestate and give birth but we're not there technologically yet
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 12:23 PM
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yes a man might have been abusive but at least the victim didn't anticipate being abused so it's suddenly funny
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 12:16 PM
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How's that going for you, out of curiosity?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 09:56 AM
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Sure, but I never said all that either
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 07:04 AM
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The man in question didn't even pay for everything. The key point of this entire thread is 50/50 But you are right. At least that woman had a part time job and probably could transition easier into working full-time and being independent
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 03:55 AM
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a man is abusive, more news at 11. typical male behaviour licherally
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 03:52 AM
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I actually once made a thread suggesting that women in financially 50/50 relationships should be then financially compensated for the pregnancy Rest assured that 50/50 lovers did not like that
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 03:50 AM
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And what for exactly love
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 07:54 PM
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You personally said it's terrible. Well, I agree. Was I not supposed to?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 07:52 PM
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It is a terrible habit. Maybe you should keep it to yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 07:37 PM
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"Let's be real, 99% of the topics on this board is "100% men bad, 100% women bad"." I literally say the opposite in the post. You are free to re-read The situation concerned a very real woman financially abused by her partner - many such cases - and here comes some guy with a rant about chads. And then here comes you all like. You two are the same actually🤓☝️
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 07:07 PM
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Honestly at this point just scroll down the thread
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 06:57 PM
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Strict transactional 50/50
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 06:51 PM
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There is quite a large gap between traditional male provider relationships and strict transactional 50/50
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 06:48 PM
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Babies and toddlers require near constant attention
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 06:46 PM
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That man financially abused the mother of his children. You guys think you're being so witty and snarky don't you
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 06:44 PM
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I'm not even all about first dates in particular. As in, if only it didn't lead to not paying for the second and all subsequent dates and eventually to situations like this Like, why would a man that's used to splitting every single thing... suddenly not do that. It's a great deal
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 06:27 PM
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"Because after you have children it’s too late, that’s the point" They're terrified of paying for a date... but can't comprehend why having a baby with a man who won't part with 20$ for you doesn't seem like a very good deal
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 06:10 PM
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The issue is 50/50. It's not to most men, because men don't, by default, place themselves in financially vulnerable situations just to have children with their partners. Women do
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 05:47 PM
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I mean, sure? The main point of this thread isn't that you shouldn't be looking for red flags. It's that this strict 50/50 dynamic many men on PPD constantly cream their pants about, is a red flag
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 05:45 PM
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Nobody said anything about loyalty
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 05:42 PM
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Because the motive is different
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 05:41 PM
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Well, no. I think, while belonging to a family unit that very much involves the mother of your child sacrificing income to take care of your kids, there is obligation towards her. The child is another thing
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 05:41 PM
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No. Next
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 05:39 PM
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What did the man provide in this scenario? Because it for sure wasn't finances lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 05:37 PM
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Do you think giving the woman no break from house chores and childrearing is okay? Why do you get a break after you're done contributing for the day and she doesn't?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 05:36 PM
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"50/50 is a perfectly reasonable thing and if women don't want that, they should stop pretending to care about equality at all." Oh did you think the cited situation was... equal? Then, oh Unfortunately, women tend to me financially vulnerable while pregnant and after giving birth. Sure, let's split that 50/50 too
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 05:34 PM
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Anything but blaming the man, yet again
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 05:31 PM
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Anything but blaming the man
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 03:19 PM
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Okay. Imo it's mostly men that push that nonsense. I would like to see you blame them for once please
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 03:18 PM
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And when have I said that? It's because of the woman's unpaid labour the man could save money - and keep it for himself Women should avoid being financially dependent on men at all cost But what is also true, men that allow their partners to bear the brunt of motherhood... are bad people. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 03:07 PM
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Well, of course. But when men speak of 50/50, that's usually what it means. Finances
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 02:00 PM
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Child support? It all took place when they were together
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 01:52 PM
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"They forfeit their own career and money in exchange for being provisioned by someone else" "It is only logical to the man that he makes some demands in his favor. It can only be a financial 50-50" So these are actually mutually exclusive my guy
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 01:35 PM
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50/50 is actually fine, as long as it's intersectional and not just financial, which is what men often mean by 50/50
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:59 PM
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Honestly, I very much wish you were right
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:55 PM
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"This can happen to anyone, but I will say, if a man shows no interest in nor indication of generosity. care giving, providing, or looking after when you're just dating and especially if nothing sexual has happened...lady, why would you think getting pregnant is gonna change that." That's my point. It's men pretending otherwise
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:39 PM
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"And yes, it's her fault for not vetting him, because this level of not caring about her definitely showed up in 1000 different ways" That's a very generous interpretation - towards him, and very ungenerous towards her. Do you find it unbelievable that some men change after children? Or hide their characters until children are involved? "I do agree with a main message in your post tho. I too see correlation and i would expect a guy who is so transactional to be selfish as fuck and just dangerous…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:40 AM
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She did say it was a boiling frog kind of thing, and before she knew it she was trapped She also expressed regret over not discussing it more in depth but also... she also only ever expected her long-time partner to not financially abuse her Care to throw in a sentence about the man who financially abused her or...? Yeah I thought so edit: typo
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:34 AM
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That is not 50/50 my guy
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:23 AM
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What are they risking?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:23 AM
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Yeah, signs I mentioned. Stingyness edit: signs the woman herself mentioned
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:19 AM
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True
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:18 AM
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Equality meaning... that? Yeah I'm not even going to entertain you. Bye
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:18 AM
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Your whole premise is that most men who ask for 50/50 don't actually want 50/50. And I don't really believe that sorry. I've seen so many here dismiss women's contribution. I have seen many claim they would step up eventually But with stories like those, how can you blindly believe that?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:17 AM
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Well, maybe some people. A lot do push for strict 50/50 And yeah duh, obviously they should adjust the financial split. That's besides my point My point is women risk a lot - doing exactly what many men here ask for
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:14 AM
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Red pill doesn't necessarily mean no experience though
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:44 PM
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What's the conclusion here? That red pill men are inherently unable to date successfully? I think your allegory works better for incels, and that's not exactly synonymous. Personally, my boyfriend wasn't even an incel
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 02:58 PM
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Blow the money on shit, if we're following the red pill logic
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 02:37 PM
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Red pill purists are going to be telling me off I bet. No, it wasn't hitting the gym and improving himself - some people still insist that's all red pill is I'd say being transactional, that specific use of lingo, distrust. If you want an example, on his first birthday that we shared together, I took him out to dinner. On mine, he said he would too and didn't and when I asked, he strongly insinuated all I care about is money. He's just... terrified of being used (I tell him off for that to this …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 01:57 PM
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"Enough to consider ending that relationship & seeking a better one?" I'm not really looking for advice here. I'm telling a cautionary tale, if you will What do red pilled men think will happen when they do eventually get into a relationship? With a girl that genuinely loves them? If they stick to these behaviours, and they're laughably easy to spot, chances are she'll eventually resent you. It will cause arguments. Might spoil an otherwise good thing It's altogether pretty sad. Red pill definit…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 12:49 PM
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True story my boyfriend has red-pillish tendencies and I hate that about him and it's made our relationship worse
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 12:16 PM
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I'm sure women will flock to a man who's proposing maybe investing more when she's already pregnant You're looking for a naive little idiot, and for their sake I hope you won't find one
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 10:54 AM
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Yeah, no. Investing the same initially does not work when you're planning for the other party do invest more later And I sure hope you'll be kicked to the curb when you come out with that absurd unfair arrangement to anyone
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 10:42 AM
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> I'll put in more effort to take care of the mother of my child, but only when we're approaching that stage together. Demanding uneven effort in initial stages citing heightened risk later makes absolutely no sense. At that point it's way too late for the woman. Would you just get pregnant with a guy, fingers crossed that he'll treat you well all of a sudden? You guys are afraid to invest dinner lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 09:07 AM
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What cultures are you referring to? To my knowledge, women being rather passive and "courted" seems to be a pretty consistent worldwide trend Aren't a bunch of western cultures known to be egalitarian pioneers anyway? Like scandi women, I've heard it's unusually normal of women there to approach, split the bill, all that
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 08:42 PM
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Times are ever so slowly changing. It's not just going to shift overnight - it's actually very interesting, we still carry some historical behaviours with us even though they don't serve any function anymore But it's also that, even now, women still risk more in heterosexual relationships. Yes, now in 2026. Which is also changing to be fair, though I don't really know how we're ever going to even out the reproductive burden So it's offset by men investing more initially
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 06:48 PM
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"Many men have also realised that (...) helps them get dates and to get laid and so they do it" Wow! So altruistic and selfless! Seems like you have a problem with women wanting anything in exchange for what you want
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:24 PM
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> like how can women be constantly complaining that men are trying to get with them no matter what they're doing or how they look, good or bad, yet also claim that men only go after "attractive women"...? cant have it both ways.. lol because these are above average women talking... you're really not getting it
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:54 AM
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With exceptions probably, but that sounds about right. How often is it that a faceless content creator turns out to be hot?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 12:54 PM
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God I just can't wait to marry my boyfriend and then divorce him and get the whole house because it's a thing that happens Living life on easy mode, getting houses and shit. Are you hearing yourself?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:42 PM
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Buy together meaning what? In my understanding, she contributes. Or you think women just get houses bought for? So same really goes for men...?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:09 PM
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You don't just get to "downgrade" and have simps. Simps decide themselves who to simp for It's actually not relative to the woman's attractiveness. Not proportionally anyway, it's a treshold. Attractive women get simps, average women generally don't Average women may get dates. But, to men, they're just not worth simping for. Even if that's all they can get
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:39 PM
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Okay but then let's not make it sound like most women automatically have simps
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:24 PM
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What rules friend?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:06 PM
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Not always it doesn't. Sometimes it's just seeking an incubator bangmaid who will split the rent
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:32 AM
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A true girl's girl
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:28 AM
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Thank you! I'm going to tell all my simpless friends too
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:23 AM
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Where are my simps? I'm always hearing about all these simps So where can I find all these pushovers to pay for stuff? Sounds pretty nice. Do I need to apply first or...?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 06:56 AM
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Let's not make it personal. These issues exist on a systematic level, and our experiences are really only anecdotal evidence
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:33 PM
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It's the reason why a lot of slavic girls fall for italian or spanish men making cheap moves on them Because slavic men just generally aren't gentlemanly or romantic. Scraps can seem like a feast yk
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 07:40 PM
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They aren't. Selectively conservative
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 07:28 PM
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And... making assumptions about LadyMoustache's love life isn't an ad hominem because...?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 10:26 AM
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They should expect nothing. Duh
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 05:02 AM
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If they live with the kids, about as undesirable as single moms Single dads' relative desirability compared to single moms is 99% due to them not bothering to file for custody Women should just let men have the kids and live their best lives
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:38 PM
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Good for you, still a statistical outlier
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 09:53 AM
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It's like talking to a nympho wall
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 08:39 AM
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It is gross. You think I like that? No I don't. Alas, the world is the way it is, for many many women Truly, good for you. But that changes nothing
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 08:34 AM
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In YOUR favour. Who's saying anything about my experience? The orgasm gap exists outside both me and you
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 08:33 AM
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In this orgasm gap economy? You're a billionaire in late stage capitalism and that's good for you, but your experience isn't universal. If you care at all which you probably don't miss me me me
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 08:22 AM
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Okay female woman for sure. Men don't think about it as a positive thing, many do think they're using you while damaging you with their penises in the process. And you are risking more by having sex as a woman automatically despite what you may claim Your personal experience has literally nothing to do with anything
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 08:18 AM
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I am not understanding. Would you or would you not prefer to be used for your hole?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 07:14 PM
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Okay, so you would prefer to have your hole stuffed. Let's not be liars and pretend most men would be ok with that lol
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 05:22 PM
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You're thinking of "getting laid" the way a man does. No sir. It's getting your hole stuffed
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 05:15 PM
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We know what men like and it's not no-makeup
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 04:36 PM
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Well, you might prefer to be used for culinary dedication over for your hole. I wouldn't, and if we're honest close to literally nobody would
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 04:04 PM
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I'm not saying it was rape. I'm saying that, to me, getting used for sex is worse than getting used for money - for the same reason that, to me, rape is worse than theft
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 03:43 PM
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I don't know. I still think getting used for sex is much worse - especially if it involves a position as vulnerable as being penetrated. It's like theft vs rape for me
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 02:54 PM
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If the man is a chad billionaire and the woman a broke becky - like you're describing - then yeah lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 01:31 PM
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You know full well women do help men in safe situations, everyday my guy Men's relative academic failure doesn't stem from lack of ability. Do men have significantly lower IQ? They don't. The current system wasn't made with women in mind anyway so I'm not sure how we could help anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 09:51 AM
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The spill of this reply sister
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 09:47 AM
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If your safety or life could be on the line academically... then you know what, sure
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:36 AM
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Because we are physically weaker but you men still want everything to be split exactly in the middle. If we could choose to be equally strong we would, lol. But you know we can't change biology, so the perspective of both being stronger and having no moral obligation to help out a weaker person in need, probably sounds like a damn good deal to you (in the same manner men want paper abortions because they know we can't make them be able to gestate - always best of both worlds for men) You don't h…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 03:45 AM
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You can't thoroughly filter for contribution to household chores before moving in together, lol
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 08:25 PM
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If the preference is "a man taller than me" then it's not unrealistic. It's literally statistically LIKELY
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 06:41 PM
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Or maybe she likes your resourcefulness and skills? Men's problem is, you think liking a woman for her looks is liking her "for who she is" but it's not. You are primarily attracted to her looks Ladies, if you have to use your good looks to attract a man, he just doesn't like you that much
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 08:39 AM
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Shifting the blame away from yourself for choosing to date a bad man... instead of a nice guy, maybe like you? Because you don't seem very nice. Kind of like a bad man actually I think it's bad men that should take responsibility for their actions, not their girlfriends lol. I'm willing to bet you aren't demanding they take responsibility though. Are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 06:58 PM
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Shifting the blame away from yourself for choosing to date a bad man... instead of a nice guy, maybe like you? Because you don't seem very nice. Kind of like a bad man actually I think it's bad men that should take responsibility for their actions, not their girlfriends lol. I'm willing to bed you aren't demanding they take responsibility though. Are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 06:56 PM
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They want us to apologize for the collective of women existing and not fucking them, girl. What else could they mean
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 06:04 PM
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Ok you won't be ragebaiting me today. Goodbye victim
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:46 PM
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If there ever was a war it's what men have done to women over millenia. But you only care about dick no wet
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:42 PM
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Most women here deny hypergamy, don't sleep around with chads (or like, at all), will split the bill on a date Like, what do you even want
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:26 PM
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Sometimes I think I can ever so slightly get them to see through the red pill rhetoric
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:22 PM
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Gen alpha are going to want a bangmaid that pays for herself or a bangmaid that's exclusively a domestic slave and can't pay for herself. Like all men before them
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:20 PM
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You'll talk long enough with a man and he'll eventually blurt out something like this "because most men settle and do not get the woman they find attractive in their life. so what romance?"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:18 PM
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Well, they do
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:47 PM
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Maybe a few of you would always split the bill. But even the men I talk to on here admit that. Sometimes they'll let it slip they don't have a shot with a woman they'd be willing to pay for
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:45 PM
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> there are plenty of women that exist that have no problem paying for their portion of a date "have no problem paying" and "insist on paying" aren't the same. insisting to split will often mean she's not interested or feels like you'll expect sex in return sure - there are women who have no problem paying. but a MAN that's INTO THEM will pay anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:10 PM
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The sweet spot here seems to be that she's willing to split the bill but will let you pay if you want to ...But not for women. Because women know that a man that's actually into you will pay for the date. And why would you keep dating a man that's not into you, like
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:38 PM
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If she insists on splitting the bill she wants nothing to do with you🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:02 AM
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> The absolute clearest sign that a woman is genuinely into you—and not just your bank account—is her willingness to put her own money on the line for you Not factual. I'll only insist on splitting the bill when I don't want the guy to get an idea it could ever go anywhere. I know many women do it
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 05:23 AM
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The plot twist is they're hags anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 08:21 PM
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Precisely that. Also, I assume much of their environment often knows they're transgender. So there's that And I'm talking about positives of "being a man" specifically
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 02:19 PM
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They usually report both positives and negatives from what I've seen. Also their experience is pretty unique, and likely differs from what you and I experience
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 01:47 PM
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Oh golly. You know, there's a few men like you here, saying they'd feel better about their looks. And I really don't know, maybe it would just be true in your case, or at least you would like your looks more But no, you're not guaranteed good (or even better) looks as a woman, and it's not sounding like you'd be convenientionally attractive as a woman with your built
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 08:27 AM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:59 AM
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"A lot" implies a larger percentage So, most men and most women have sex. And women suffer a large most of the reproductive burden "Just don't have sex" doesn't work on that macro scale. Reproduction just isn't equal For men, it's not a question of "either don't have sex or suffer reproductive burden". For women it is. Therefore in that regard, yes - being a woman automatically puts you at a disadvantage (not all reproductive burden is related to sex anyway - like periods and menopause)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:59 AM
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I'm not sure why you think that. It's possible to have just as unflattering built as a woman
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:50 AM
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No, a lot of men do have sex. A minority doesn't
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:44 AM
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You can have garbage bone structure as a woman. Even if you'd have thinner bone structure than you do now, you'd still look just as bulky for a woman
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:36 AM
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Chances are you'd be a heavy woman then
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:30 AM
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And what does that entail? edit: also "how would a random woman get treated like a sex object in public" lol
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 06:31 AM
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Repeoduction isn't a burden - to you. To women it is
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 05:15 AM
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In what manner? How does that work? What are the causes of discrimination of men? For women, it's reproduction as I've said
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 04:10 AM
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How does stocky build correlate here?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 04:08 AM
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Explain easy mode? What are some tangible benefits?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 04:07 AM
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I mean, if by human being you mean sex object potential incubator
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 04:07 AM
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How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 04:06 AM
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You can still pregnant on birth control. If you're having sex the risk is ever present. There's also periods, menopause, and sexual vulnerability. Like, you will most likely have already been sexually assaulted in some capacity - by a larger and stronger individual, mind you And beauty standards for women don't seem all that flexible - all women men lust after the most (models, celebrities, cam girls, influencers) all have 90% of the same characteristics. Same girl with like, different hair colo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 04:06 AM
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Men over-glamorize womanhood. You'll read about those large friend groups and support systems, endless supply of benevelent simps - and be like uh oh, so when are mine arriving?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:59 AM
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That is anecdotal. Maybe they are good. Anticipatory discrimination of women is a real thing sadly
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:56 AM
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Yeah. Me too. I did add "to me", twice
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:30 PM
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This is all sounding very vague to me. Like, I love the vibes. But the tangible cons are too much... to me
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:26 PM
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A model? Do you have model's looks now, aside from height? If not, then forget it - wide nose and jaw, prominent brow ridge, and thin lips it is You're not model tall as a woman, in the same way you're not Kit Harrington short as a man
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:24 PM
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It is you brother
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:21 PM
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Thank god you were born a man and you can't (or so you're saying) get yourself in that financial mess then. God protected you
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:17 PM
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Yeah, no. Men have their own free will and might just get up and walk out on you. You never know
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:09 PM
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Yeah you're already sounding difficult as a man. Might be better off, cause all women are evil. Who knows that would have become of you. Yikes
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:08 PM
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Don't imagine yourself as a cute shorty then. If you want a true point of comparison, imagine being a 6'1 burly chubby house of a woman
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:06 PM
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Stay at home moms (or parents in general) are very economically vulnerable. There are some women who want that, but it's just too big of a risk imo. It's talked about a lot
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:03 PM
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The career thing - ehh. From my perspective, it's more difficult to get hired and get experience as a young woman because employers hate the thought of you getting pregnant and going on maternity leave Then you might have kids and they hate that too. And then you get old and become a hag, which everyone hates women for
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:01 PM
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Why maybe?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:57 PM
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You know what? They are horrible, and all the more horrible when you think about it I know people scoff and huff at the idea of menstrual leave but... it's actually sick that we're expected to just work through the pain, bleeding fron our vaginas, like nothing's happening And it's every single month until you're over 50. It's sick
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:56 PM
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Yay
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:49 PM
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Oh yeah. Well... yeah then? They are physiological and regard the reproductive system. And that changes what?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:47 PM
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Periods menopause and pregnancy are psychological now Ladies female hysteria 21st century golden edition just came out
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:45 PM
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Reproductive burden isn't optional. Unless by optional you mean having your uterus removed for no periods, (and yes, there are consequences to removing organs on a whim - and no, it doesn't prevent menopause) ...never having sex, and becoming a hermit so no men can assault you Then yeah. Sure are great options
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:41 PM
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What do you think are the pros?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:37 PM
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True. A hag
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:36 PM
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Yes, the situations are indeed very different. So for example, I'm suggesting men do something nice for their girl and OP is asking strange women to give ass
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 11:12 AM
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Gee wonder where all the money's coming from then
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 11:08 AM
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Or like, stop giving money to only fans models and take your girlfriend out for a date Cue... male screams of rage and despair
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 10:53 AM
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Because men gain more from heterosexual relationships while risking less
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 10:37 AM
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Men sacrifice what exactly? Do you genuinely think it compares? Ah, so you're saying that women can wait until they've made all these sacrifices before being treated to a... date. Well, I think you must be aware that this is a shitty deal. Smaller investments need to precede bigger investment - otherwise you're just a naive idiot Bet it'd be her fault too if she gets pregnant and the daddy actually ends up stingy and unwilling to part with 20$ for her sake
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 04:59 PM
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There is a chance but it's comparably low ...And like, everyone knows it's a part of the social script. Which is why there's all that drama around splitting the bill in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 04:49 PM
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Skill issue? Yours or hers? I'd say neither It's hard to explain. I can only offer my experience, which I've heard some women share. For me it takes really really focusing on the feeling to get myself there, and with another person there there's just more external stimuli - which is a good thing overall but disrupts that focus It can really be as simple as that. But you'd have to ask her specifically If you want to give it a try, I'd say let go, let loose, do it a lot and have fun. I know it's e…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 09:01 AM
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For some women it takes focus. It's more difficult with another person there. It's nothing to do with you - I'd compare it to a sneeze. Sometimes you can just feel it coming and then it slips away very unsatisfyingly
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:49 AM
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I'm a very similar case If you want to make it work, I'd say you should go easy on both of you. Don't be too hard on yourself. Putting too much pressure on the thing ruins it, as you've noticed already noticed Me, I can definitely tell when he tries too much and it stresses me out too because atp I want to have it happen for him. But it's only getting me further away Can she finish by herself?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:46 AM
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Genuine question out of curiosity: What type of women do you secretly obsess over, and what's the difference between them and women you can have?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:13 AM
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Sure you don't. And a woman doesn't owe you sex - because for women it comes with a risk - doesn't owe you changing her name to yours, having your children as it's economically inviable for her, statistically likely taking over most of the house chores I don't know if you specifically want these things, but the least you can do is acknowledge that most men want these things eventually Women risk and sacrifice a lot in heterosexual relationships. Vetting for stingyness is necessary
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 02:03 AM
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It's more of a disqualifier than a qualifier. Paying doesn't mean for sure he's genuinely interested, but if he doesn't pay it means he's very likely not genuinely interested
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 01:56 AM
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> If you’re a liberal baddie, you should still go 50/50. It supports your world view. Equality, down the with patriarchy right? But they know they can get men to pay, so they take advantage. Let me offer a change of perspective. It's not about one's attitude at all - you may offer, but a guy that's truly into you will pay anyway. That's one way to vet for genuine interest as a woman
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 03:09 PM
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Statistically, there's lots of women who will split the bill. Maybe not the majority, but still not what you're trying to make it seem to be Date those women. Chances are they'll be on the lower end of average though ... You're not getting how it looks like from the female perspective. We also have pretty friends, we know how good they have it. We also happen to be on the internet, and see how much men happily spend on onlyfans So the whole discourse seems disingenuous. We know you guys pay! But…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 03:06 PM
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Well... men also have different rules for different women. Always have
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 12:28 PM
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Men could just date women that split the bill. But they don't want to And since they don't want to, that piece of advice solves nothing and just enrages them instead. Like, can't we see that they want baddies to go 50/50 with them? But they'll never say it like that
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 11:36 AM
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Regardless of... all that, what you're saying is irrelevant to the discussion. Lots of average and ugly women have children, lots of pretty women are infertile
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 09:01 AM
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Harsh as it can feel, the good news is you're much more than men think of you
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 08:36 AM
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It's true. Men are very visual - if you're not a 8/10, you're being settled for. And you will be treated like it. You could be in a loving relationship for five years and you won't be treated like the dream girl. Because it's irrelevant. Ugly and average women with most beautiful personalities aren't cherished, they don't get spoiled Then again, it only lasts until you're 35. So at worst you're missing out on a few good years
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 08:26 AM
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Where I'm from, employers fear that you'll bail on them to leisure away on maternity leave while they have to find and train a new worker. They don't want that. They want a trained employee on the job and no fuss It's a real issue women face. You calling it a strawman is legitimately insulting and I'm not going to entertain your trolling any longer. Worst of luck, and bye
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 09:10 PM
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It doesn't become obvious quite early because it's rarely 100/0 - most often an 80/20 or 70/30. And in the initial stages of dating people put forward their best behaviour Not to mention motherhood penalty, when even more egalitarian couples have the woman do more once the baby is born
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 04:42 PM
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That's kind of naive. Men irl don't think about it in such great detail. They wouldn't classify this as a "traditional relationship" and they don't really consider a give-and-take. They just want you to do things, like their mom did for their dad
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 02:46 PM
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It's custom dude. I did not make it up And don't make it seem like there isn't a trade involved here because there is. Childbirth and related costs (lost earning potential), house chores that most women inevitably get the brunt of - that's not nothing. It just seems to be to you
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 01:44 PM
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Believe it or not but I'm being genuine here: no they don't. It's usually a boiling frog kind of thing
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 01:41 PM
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All this talking and dream girls get first dates paid for without a thought and all this nonsense When are men going to realise women also want to feel special and chosen and it's not just their little feelings. It's as simple as that
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 01:40 PM
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If you weren't answering in bad faith, you would notice without me saying that a man that doesn't want to pay can just not do that, and on the first date If a woman doesn't want to be a bangmaid she can... move in with the guy and observe his habits over a prolonged period of time? But you are answering in bad faith so
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 01:34 PM
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Dating men is fun because they work more hours entirely of their own volition but will somehow blame women for being overworked
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 01:31 PM
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"Hypothetical" lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 01:29 PM
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Both are gender roles, but they aren't comparable. A bangmaid for a few dinners is a damn good deal
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 12:23 PM
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Dating men is fun because they compare paying for the first few dates to doing the bulk of house chores forever. Keep your 20$ atp and to the kitchen kitten
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 12:07 PM
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Read the sources. It's no small number but not the majority
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 11:25 AM
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The norm is shifting, that's true. But as of right now it's still not splitting (generally but as OP pointed out, there's a substantial number of women who will pay for themselves)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 11:22 AM
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I'm not. I'm not arguing for or against that custom here at all. She says, be upfront. I agree
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 11:19 AM
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It's nobody's responsibility to act outside of established tradition just for your comfort. It's customary that a man pays - or at the very least the person that's asking the other out - for better of worse. If you don't want to, make it known
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 11:15 AM
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Because attractive young women they want won't split the bill. It takes a while to get that information out of them, but I have done it before A copy paste from a guy on here, some time ago: "I defiantly said some average men could but that would mean lowering their standards quite a bit. Basically, to the point where they are accepting obese women or women already with kids, that are maybe slightly below the man’s level"
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 11:13 AM
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Because if YOU don't want to split the bill, it's YOUR business to have that happen. Take accountability
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 11:08 AM
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Vague unconsidered complaints. Hmm. Yeah that's about it. I only seem to have those. Thank you for mansplaining feminism to me now I get it
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 07:25 PM
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I do. Men do less childcare total compared to women
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 07:25 PM
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Among other things. Not everything can be legislated in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 06:35 PM
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Call it as you will, women do much more childcare than men on average
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 06:16 PM
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But I mean... it won't necessarily help men overall. Sure, paternal leave is nice. But house chores and being the primary parent is hard work. There's a reason women aren't having babies anymore now that they don't have to, and why men aren't exactly kicking and screaming to be the primary parent. When men want something they deem beneficial to them, they make it known
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 04:21 PM
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I've actually just mentioned that in a different comment! I agree
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:19 PM
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Yeah, that too. That's why it's so notoriously difficult to prove
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:12 PM
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It just doesn't sound sustainable. Whose responsibility would it be to prove pervasive patterns of employment? The potential candidate just doesn't have access to that data
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:12 PM
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Yeah, it's a difficult one isn't it. The only thing I can think of that sort of makes sense is giving men equal parental leave. So it's not just women that companies risk hiring. Make it a standard
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:10 PM
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Ok I mean I literally just told you I'm not from the US - I don't know anything. Out of curiosity - how does that work then? How do you win a civil case when you can't prove discrimination? I mean, as I've said - they can just say they like the (male) candidate better. How does the system deal with that?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 12:26 PM
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You don't believe in lots of stuff huh. Yes, I'm not from the US. To be honest, I don't really believe it's all that enforced over there. How do you prove it in the first place? They're not going to tell you they won't hire you because you're a young fertile woman and might get pregnant on them. It's a systematic issue What do you believe in then?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 12:11 PM
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If I'm understanding wrong, feel free to explain. It is what you wrote though - and it doesn't make any sense
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 11:51 AM
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Yes let's have a bunch of laws, doesn't matter if they're implemented. Same constitutional rights is plenty enough because that's writing on a piece of paper. Good for you
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 11:44 AM
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Lots. Societal norms? For example, where I'm from it's illegal to discriminate in hiring. But young women might get pregnant so employers don't really want to hire them. It's also illegal to ask whether a woman has young children or is looking to start a family - but many do anyway Law isn't all there is. But that's what men are often hyperfixated on. "Men and women have equal rights" well, sure, but see above
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 10:34 AM
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At this point you're just trying to be different. "I don't understand what equal means" - okay
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 09:46 AM
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No lmao. If she's sleeping with a man she's dating who has no intention of entering a relationship with her, and isn't letting her know otherwise, she is being used for sex It's just money money moneyyy with you. And here, now you know why some women insist on the man paying for the fuckass cup of coffee
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 08:56 AM
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Having sex with someone you wouldn't enter a relationship with in a dating context is shitty man
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 07:52 AM
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How do you use someone for money
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 06:06 AM
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> Artificial womb technology Oh let's not stop there. Surely you want every option women have - and I do too! Let men get pregnant and give birth, medicine is the future
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 03:24 PM
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Just adding one more "no" to the list. Fuck no
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:59 PM
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You don't have to be homophobic (or any -phobic) to feel uncomfortable being prepositioned for sex like that, especially if you just don't know the person in this way. You might be okay with that, but keep in mind that's *you*
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:56 PM
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If you're approching a person sexually, strange enough you're possibly making them uncomfortable, you are a sex pest and doing something wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:41 PM
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It's not diversion. It's a direct equivalent
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:39 PM
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It's irrelevant
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:38 PM
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Imagine a big burly gay guy (taller and wider and could overpower you anytime) is attracted to you. He would like to put his penis into your asshole. So he asks you "Hey I think you're hot. Would you like to have sex some time." You're not interested so you say "no thanks". And he replies "Alright no problem!" You can try and convince me all you want that most men wouldn't mind - but we both know buddy
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:34 PM
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Talk to some polish men they'll do all they can to change your mind
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 09:15 PM
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Should have treated the wife appliance a little kinder then
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 09:13 PM
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Well what do you think this teaches men that believe that message? You're essentially telling them that women are capable of feigning love for an entire marriage and having a whole ass family with a dude they don't really love for some perceived benefit You think grandpa cared it wasn't love? Lmao. He had a bangmaid at home, that's all. It was a great deal for him, and he loved it
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 08:19 PM
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Sure there is sexism against women, but it's not derived from hatred of women but rather older ways of thinking or certain not so well thought out of beliefs These older ways of thinking are sexism. Let's call misandry a modern way of thinking then, just so that the terminology is consistent
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 08:17 PM
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You notice how with men it's always the incubator robots and never "we want technology to let us get pregnant"?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 08:35 AM
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Maybe not but it should have been. Polish women used to be submissive because society demanded it, even if admittedly they weren't the happiest about it The only region I can think of that would stereotype women as somewhat dominant in relationships is Silesia Anyway, now it's just a pornified stereotype of a slavic woman, sometimes present in the west - and about as true as East Asian women being submissive pushovers, when their own men also think they're spoiled bossy whores lol. It's a worldw…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 08:00 AM
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Just answer the question brother. Are you an older man attracted to mid-teen girls? Yes or no
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 05:33 AM
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It is physically disgusting. Most young women will tell you that
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 05:29 AM
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My dad is isn't rich. He's been working a minimum wage job all his life. But he'll give away his last cent to a person in need. Like, actually. I've seen him do it But to be honest I do get your point. I've once posted a thread about men's sexuality being antisocial, and many men agreed with me (though adding that their character consists of more than sexuality alone)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 05:23 AM
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He's like "we just only JOKE you are dumb sluts jeez!" And trust me it's like, constant belittling, not different than anywhere else right now
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 07:33 PM
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That's a really strange problem to have man
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 05:07 PM
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I honestly couldn't tell you the number of young (15-35yo) polish guys who are red-pilled and hate polish women. There is no statistic for that. But it's not exactly a secret that young men are going far-right, that manosphere channels aren't niche anymore And sure, let's call it anecdotal evidence, but I know many young polish men who will repeat all that nonsense. Often while dating perfectly normal polish women. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 05:05 PM
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"Memes" internet is also real bro. Real people are writing and reading that
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 04:41 PM
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There is a growing (key word: growing, and rapidly) resentment towards polish women. Prove me wrong. I certainly can prove it Something about us being dumb single-mother sluts who prefer to bang foreigners en MASSE and force resulting mixed children onto poor polish men. En masse, or course. After a few years of that, old hags jealous of perky young girls Rings a bell?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 04:34 PM
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Nope.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 04:24 PM
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Men from literally everywhere say that, while hating women from their own countries Like, Poland? You'd think - conservative heaven, hot submissive eastern-european women? Think again. Our men hate the fork out of us
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:48 PM
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No, I really don't think so. I mean, that's the thread
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 05:08 AM
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I do believe another example of this is paper abortions. Men want the right to possibly impregnate, and simply sign out, removing all reproductive responsibility They know we can't make them get pregnant, give birth, get stitches, suffer motherhood career penalty because you dared have a child... Or, undergo abortion, which is not pleasant either. And so on So of course they would be overjoyed with no legal/financial responsibility, while continuing to bear no biological burden women just can't …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 12:17 PM
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The person who carries the reproductive burden should get decision-making power You do understand that what you're proposing gives men the best of both worlds and leaves women fucked?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 03:39 AM
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Your love for money doesn't justify skewing the entire reproductive problem in your favour
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 03:12 AM
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Yes, there's already an imbalance. That's unfortunately inevitable. Trust me, I wish men could gestate Paper abortion wouldn't create balance - it would create a super-ultra imbalance
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 03:11 AM
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A woman that's really into you will want these things the most. Yes, being romantically courted by a man you have feelings for feels good shocker
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 12:23 PM
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That's true. But I wanted to point out there is an entirely separate case against paper abortion too
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 09:07 PM
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You've addressed nothing I said
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 08:59 PM
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It's a win some lose some for BOTH. You men want to have it ALL though, and think that would be fair
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 08:57 PM
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Are you fucking german or something? What's with that frau thing? I've already said raped men and boys shouldn't be responsible for pregnancy. German and blind?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 02:10 PM
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Oh slay actually
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:31 PM
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Giving men freedom to roam and possibly impregnate, sign some paper, and walk away is a terrible idea. Every man having casual sex, and during early-stage dating, would take advantage of that. What, you think they wouldn't? I am now noticing men find it notoriously difficult to emphatize. But humour me. Imagine you're a woman. You already know you're bearing the brunt of reproduction. If you and your partner want children one day, you have to sacrifice health and finances (lost earning potential…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:30 PM
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No! No, no, no! Don't you understand they don't want to pay? They only want basic human rights, like impregnating women and then signing some paper and walking away. Like how are you not getting that this is reasonable
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:21 PM
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They're already crying that women are picking the tallest and most good looking (lmao) men. See, she must have rejected other nicer men and therefore they don't care And you bet they're getting upvotes left and right
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:18 PM
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I'm looking at it from a different angle but I also mostly agree with you Sure, let's give men zero consequences for impregnating women as they wish. That is entirely reasonable and they definition won’t abuse it at society's expense
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:10 PM
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Yes, it is unfair that men can't terminate pregnancy as they can't get pregnant. There are also aspects of reproduction that are unfair to women, because they can get pregnant It's win some and lose some for both though
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 12:56 PM
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Why would you give men an out of finances if women don't get an out of pregnancy and/or abortion
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 11:37 AM
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I think 1. already makes it much fairer To be honest, it's the first take I've seen on this thread that isn't bad-faith. Thank you edit: fairer as in the woman isn't blindsided and can decide whether to engage in intimacy in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 11:18 AM
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Its unethical and illegal where I'm from
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 11:05 AM
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They refuse to acknowledge that lmao. I give up. It doesn't matter to them one bit
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 11:02 AM
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Both men and women should pay for children they create
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 10:50 AM
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I don't hate men. They never have to gestate or give birth, they have it good as is I do think that men who want to walk away with everything, and leave women with all the reaponsibility, for sure hate them
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 10:48 AM
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So we agree that paper abortion is a bad idea
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 10:38 AM
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I'll just say it. I think you're a guy pal
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 10:36 AM
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Maybe men should be emancipated and pay every single penny for a child they themselves made Take accountability
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 10:34 AM
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Okay and some people want children. Next
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 10:28 AM
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If he got fucked over, too bad. Wah wah
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 10:24 AM
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And they have children without having to give birth
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 10:21 AM
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We are sentenced to having to gestate and birth children though. Reproduction isn't equal But under thw current systwm both men and women win some and lose some. Do you deny that?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 10:16 AM
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In both A and B women still bear the brunt pf pregnancy and childbirth. Read again with understanding and a touch of empathy. You seem incapable of considering others
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 10:09 AM
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And you think men having all the freedom to nut anywhere and leave resulting impregnated women with a signature and a wave goodbye is... being as equal as possible?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 10:08 AM
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Don't tell me what to do Signing away paternal rights is infinitely easier than having an abortion Oh no, having to sign a document. Their poor wrists, I mean, ouch
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 10:04 AM
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The thing about men and women is as much as you kick and scream about “equality” we will never been the “same” That's precisely why paper abortion absolutely shouldn't be a thing. It's a poor pretend-attempt at equality which DISPROPORTIONATELY advantages one party while leaving the other with all the consequences
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 10:03 AM
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Paper abortion doesn't "terminate life". It terminates responsibility. Another party can't terminate responsibility How is it equity again?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 09:42 AM
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Girl, like. That is not a serious conversation. Hiring a killer, okay
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 09:38 AM
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If we were to get technical about this, egg is just the cost of materials Who would pay though?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 09:37 AM
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Let me repeat for you specifically then The "win some" for men is getting to have a baby and not having to grow and birth it and recover physically
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 09:32 AM
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I don't know. Can you put a price on health, human life? You can't even sell blood, and that's much more measurable It is at least something though, which is more than... any man here is willing to give. They all want to do, well, nothing. Sign away, walk away
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 09:29 AM
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Allowing one party to walk away with no responsibility, while the other suffers consequences for both of them. Is this truly equity to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 09:28 AM
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How do you put a price on it? Who pays?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 09:24 AM
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No, it really is just wanting everything for yourself with none of the responsibility You don't want fairness, and don't pretend to be concerned with it As I've said, the current system isn't perfect but both parties win some and lose some. You want men to have the best of both worlds though
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 09:21 AM
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What? I'm not actually arguing for having their testicles messed with, you are aware of that? It's a theoretical empathy-inducing comparison
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 09:16 AM
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It's not "revenge", I really don't get where you got that from It's a matter of equity
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 09:13 AM
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Okay and when a couple decides to have a child, both get the benefit while only one party pays the VAST majority of the price It isn't fair either
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 09:10 AM
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Okay a man pays and what? It's a part of the reproductive brunt, and frankly a minor one I don't think men would enjoy of having their testicles medically touched along with each paper abortion
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 09:07 AM
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So rape is a different matter entirely. Obviously a raped man shouldn't be responsible for the resulting pregnancy I'm not going to entertain the rest of your comment
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 09:05 AM
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It can be that malicious but it doesn't have to be. It can be as simple as personally wanting all of the freedom with none of the responsibility
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 09:05 AM
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Men refuse to take accountability
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 07:34 PM
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What do you want from me? Do I applaud it? Of course not But you are talking to people who have actual policy makers talk about it everyday, casually, on public TV. Worse, actually doing it! Actually taking away women's reproductive rights, right now, as you and I are chatting it up on reddit Do you honestly feel like Jameela Jamil is going to force you into a vasectomy?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:02 PM
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A bigger example and it's one actress
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:47 PM
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We do know extermists exist, it's just distasteful of you to compare a video with 28k views to actual governments pushing to take away women's reproductive rights Can you imagine how much of a victim you would feel in our shoes? Can you?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:31 PM
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Yes I too love the 2026 mpreg
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 04:47 PM
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They won't admit it but many men would start seeing dollar signs
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 04:46 PM
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They seem to be a substantial number at least on here
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 07:06 AM
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Okay, blame a whole bunch of men who insist women hit it at 25. Lmao. Hold other men accountable
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 06:47 AM
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It was your fellow men that invented the whole concept of the wall. Blame them. I'm just the one being informed It's so fun that depending on what's convenient to men, the wall both does and doesn't exist
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 06:34 AM
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I didn't come up with the wall. Your fellow men did. Cope I love that the wall is simultaneously real and not real depending on men's convenience. Schrodinger's wall
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 04:10 AM
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I kind of didn't come up with that concept brother
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 04:09 AM
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So cute assuming an average guy will treat you better
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 07:33 PM
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We get like... seven years in our "prime"? You get a lifetime to develop an alright job and a sense of humour. Get over it and take responsibility
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 07:29 PM
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No, because wifery in our current society is not defined strictly as being useful to a man in the way that husbandry is.l Pah! Haha haha hahah! Oh hahahahahah, oh my, haha hah hahahaha. Pffft snort laugh hahahah
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 12:19 PM
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I know. I'm having my third dinner date just today with a 6'5 chad. My lowest this week. Imagine
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 07:11 PM
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I know that's the case for a lot of women but as far as piv goes, it's like... the only thing I like
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 06:33 AM
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> tall ,short, broke, rich, smart, dumb, attractive seven truths > ugly and a lie
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 04:40 AM
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Again, you are delusional about women. No, most of us aren't living the lush life you seem to think we're living And men definitely have standards, they just don't like to admit it for some reason
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 04:21 AM
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> and if men are going to experience rejection from women even below on the attractiveness scale. why not just only approach attractive women? I do agree that's what's happening. But what difference does it make? You're saying being unchosen as a woman is a failure, and in my experience it's actually pretty common unless you're the cream of the top
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 04:05 AM
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Men are kind of delusional about women. You seem to think that near every woman has a rooster of simps ready to brush her hair and feed her seasonal fruit dipped in chocolate. Basking in constant male attention, even if sexual. And once in relationships or dating, spoiled and having everything paid for That's only true for very attractive women As an average woman myself - and a friend to many gorgeous and also regular cute women - I can see who gets approached irl, offered all those things Appr…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:45 AM
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Ask any woman in a relationship with even a RP sympathizer. Like, you're so fond of these little tricks that do nothing but hurt me and cause arguments? How could you think you're doing something good here?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 06:11 AM
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Too much for me, but I do work and I intend to keep working. Maybe a SAHM would feel like getting out more
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 10:43 AM
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My boyfriend doesn't look at other women. Then again, he only met my friends after we were commited. I'd like to think he'd pick me in a full room, but who knows Then again he's not putting in that much effort as far as traditional romance goes
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 11:25 AM
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Imo they often go "lower" than their usual type and take it out on you like it's your fault
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 04:00 AM
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Men want the prettiest girls, always. I'm not ugly but I've some pretty-pretty friends. Instant invisibility. Or worse - they get mean for no reason? If you happen to shed the visibility cloak somehow, the only criteria regarding how men'll treat you seems to be looks. They will take girls out on proper dates, just not you. They will buy flowers, just not for you. There's also barely a spectrum - either they put in effort or like... not at all. Doesn't matter if you've been together for months, …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 08:19 PM
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I'm over it. It's men that refuse to admit they have any standards and insist that "any nice girl will do" to make themselves look pitiful and not shallow
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 06:13 PM
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There's only so much I can do when talking to a person who's pretending men and women have it the same when it comes to starting a family just because the benefits are the same. The price isn't the same. I've mentioned possible solutions at length, you just don't care for them. The conclusion is one I've already stated in the thread: men don't care. The idea you could do anything to improve the way women experience romantic relationships is ridiculous and unrealistic. Not a single thing comes to…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 05:07 PM
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> Interesting. You think men should be spending more money on women? One follow up question. How much do you think it costs me to take a woman out to dinner and a movie? Nowhere near as much as a woman loses by having a man's child > On childcare, what do you mean exactly? Because there is no shortage of very involved fathers. And most women still do a lot more > If you value your future income more than having children and a family, then by all means don’t have them. But that isn’t something me…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 02:09 PM
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> I see that you listed pregnancy related concerns and I’m sorry, while men are capable of a lot of stuff, we don’t currently possess the knowledge or technology to completely change biology I'm not asking men to do the physically impossible. Finances, childcare, recovery - these are all things that, in my opinion, men don't contribute enough to Nobody likes to talk about it but women sacrifice a *lot* financially when it comes to having children. And I'm not talking about spending money but los…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 01:43 PM
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It's quite literally in the post
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:51 AM
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> I actually think women have had some really sweet deals in the past but now they all seem to think it was all terrible and horrible Sweet deals. A near total lack of personal agency AND unpaid labour. Men are delusional
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:19 AM
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Hmm?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 09:44 AM
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The manosphere is also obsessed with being desired, for their looks specifically, and gold digging Looking forward to younger women wanting you for your "success" (money) is contradictory to that
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 07:52 AM
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Women work😉
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 04:19 AM
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And licorice is probably delicious compared to shit
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:21 PM
1

You really have no ideas?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 03:59 PM
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Ah so doing chores at your own house and nothing and also nothing
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 03:58 PM
2

My favourite part about being a woman is that nothing we do is ever right
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:00 PM
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She'd be paying out of her savings for the rent once her job position's eliminated after maternity leave's over
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:13 PM
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The lower range of 60% sure
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:09 PM
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How did they sweetened the deal a lot?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 06:38 AM
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I mean, I don't know you, but you first said you like most women and then you weren't so sure when I mentioned a not so conventionally attractive woman It's very telling and just as common for men. I just have no idea why admitting to having standards is so bad
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:29 AM
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You have standards sir
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 03:50 AM
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It could well be true, it's a general rule not a law But that 5'11 heavier girl with frizzy hair, her too? Don't lie to me, they are out there
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 03:45 AM
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My point is relationships largely aren't worth it to women anymore, men don't like that but also do nothing to change that That's my point. I know it's hard to imagine but I wasn't referring to you specifically
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:08 PM
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Talking someone into relationships? I've never said that I'm talking about taking actual action to make relationships worth getting into for women Let's not try and gaslight me into pretending men don't care about women opting out of dating
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:06 PM
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Start off with fixing the intimacy & reproduction issues. You really have no ideas at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:01 PM
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Prognosis seems to indicate these numbers will continue rising rather rapidly. Probably for no reason at all
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:00 PM
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Taking action to even out the orgasm gap, alternatively respecting women's lower libido, offering other forms of affection Taking action to minimize reproductive burden & motherhood penalty For starters
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 07:59 PM
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I'm talking about the macro scale and everyone's telling me to personally pick better men Like-
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 07:52 PM
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You're talking about "love" when faced with real measurable issues women face in heterosexual relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 07:41 PM
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Other women have this issue
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 07:39 PM
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Who are you talking to? Me? It's not about me specifically, you specifically, or anyone specifically It's observable numbers-wise, on a scale larger than the two of us here talking on reddit
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 06:25 PM
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Dear man, the problem exists on the larger scale than me. It quite literally doesn't concern me (in the direct immediate sense) personally. I'm in a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 06:23 PM
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Advice is not invalidated because it goes against another group's personal interests It also goes against personal interests of men. Fewer women enter relationships Should I care? There's plenty of women that want to date regardless, why should I be concerned with changing the mind of random women online? They can make their own judgment. First of all, you are literally the personification of my point. I'm not mad or surprised by anything you're saying Also, random women online are also real I'm…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 06:22 PM
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It isn't when the orgasm gap exists on the larger scale
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 06:19 PM
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Like focus more on the woman's pleasure and respecting their libido more? That's doable
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:31 PM
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The advice is invalid if men want women entering relationships with them. Which like... you know full well that they seem to You are proving my point. "I am a man and don't care women don't gain anything dating men." Like, that's my point
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:27 PM
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There is much room for improvement for each point I've discussed
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:21 PM
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I have given you my reasons🤷‍♀️ Life's not a movie
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:56 PM
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Sounds romantic. Life's not a movie though
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:54 PM
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I meant to say they don't encourage entering relationships with men though
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:50 PM
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Friends can be fun and cost you nothing, unfortunately
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:42 PM
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I'll be honest, I'm not understanding what you're asking
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:39 PM
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They are enough. They just encourage entering relationships with men
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:38 PM
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Fewer and fewer women. Amongst those, fewer are having children
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:37 PM
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We love an abortion ally slayyyy
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:24 PM
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The lack of value isn't inherent. Men could bring in more value, they just don't (general) seem to try to
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:23 PM
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The thing is, they really do both. They do. I point that out in the post. Having the cake and eating it too, you know
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:19 PM
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All these are increasingly making their way into real-life dating. Everyone knows what red pill is these days, and many many young men love the manosphere and conservatism
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:14 PM
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Sure some women find it worth it but, increasingly, many don't - but my point is, men (general) do nothing to change it in either case
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:08 PM
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You're making it out to be an individual issue. As we can see, it's systematic. Women are deciding it's not worth it anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:06 PM
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> from u having your life together. to being socially and emotionally adjusted and finely tuned enough to handle her NOT being emotionally adjusted and finely tuned all the time. to allowing her to be emotionally responsive. while u suppress your emotions and remain calm under pressure. to financial stability. to looks. to intelligence. to fashion. to social likability. to etc and etc women are expected to provide all that anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:04 PM
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That's exactly it
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:02 PM
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Well, not really Let's consider a relationship in which both the woman and the man both want children. Both receive the benefit of having a child, but the woman will 1. suffer physical pain 2. experience career stagnation and motherhood penalty 3. will most likely be the primary parent Profit = revenue - expenses
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:01 PM
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And that's good for her. Obviously I'm talking in general
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:56 PM
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I agree
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:56 PM
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Not at all actually. Where'd you get that from? Love, a family - these are all human desires, though women lose more and gain less from them compared to men
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:55 PM
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Love often - more and more often - isn't enough, considering my points
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:50 PM
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It is both obviously. Not to the same degree Anyway, the real reason this scenario isn't appealing to women isn't even interest in sex or lack thereof. It's safety. That sounds dangerous af to most women, even those that really enjoy sex
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:05 PM
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Not sure. It probably wouldn't be inconsequential, though as far as enjoyment goes, women still have lower libidos Most importantly though, the idea of living in a world where all men hate you and also want to fuck you sounds... pretty damn dangerous The idea that men don't seem to have that association at all - none here at least - is bananas
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:01 PM
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Yeah and that's not what it is
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 01:18 PM
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Yeah I never said any of that
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 01:02 PM
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Says what precisely? That he would rather be liked than have everyone, everywhere in the world want to fuck him? Because I don't really think so
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 12:24 PM
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That is not an aboundance fantasy
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:10 AM
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Women don't put as much importance to men desiring us because we have generally lower libidos, not because we're spoiled with aboudance We would not care to the same extent men would
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 10:41 AM
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no, even here, they're all like "i want a slim 18-25yo with a symmetrical face that maybe has mousy brown hair and therefore feels reachable! that's like every woman thus i must like most of them enough"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 06:16 AM
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It feels insane to me. I can't begin to understand this point of view. Near every woman would choose the opposite
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:18 AM
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Cause we are the worst ever and love criminals and hate nice men who wish for nothing but to brush our hair and hand-feed us grapes. Something something sex with criminals and not you
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 07:59 PM
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It's the first time I see men on PPD agree with that view Otherwise it's calling women golddiggers over dinner dates, that they will often explicitly mention they took other women on before getting tired of it
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 07:36 AM
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I'm neither blue eyed nor blonde. It's not a race thing, even most white people have different colouring It might be silly, it's just not what I prefer visually. I'm attracted to the round brown calf eyes look. I think it's cute
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 10:51 AM
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I don't fancy blonds, and especially not blue-eyed blonds. A matter of taste
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 08:57 AM
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Men will not say no to easy pussy, approaching men makes it more difficult to filter out men who are not actually all that interested. This, big time
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 08:43 AM
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If a man once accepted poor treatment from a woman... say, she slept with a man who didn't do half as much for her but kept him waiting... does he have to put up with that forever, with different women, then? I never see that scenario switched around. Why is it women that have to accept poor treatment forever?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 02:13 PM
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If you can't be fucked to put on a suit, what else can't you be fucked to do? If you can't be fucked to hold the door open, what else can't you be fucked to do? It's early-stage vetting
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 08:18 AM
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You think you have it sooo bad don't you. Damn, a woman would tell you "fine". I'd ask how you're coping with that. But I can see you're not lol
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 02:23 PM
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Entirely different, oh how convenient!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 05:22 PM
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A man is supposed to pay up the financial equivalent of a surrogate per every child he has then. There's no reason he should expect that for free
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 04:11 PM
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It's highly unlikely that a man who insists on and is used to "50/50" will suddenly change his mind edit: let's acknowledge the truth that chances to receive courtship past the honeymoon phase (when there wasn't any during) are slim at best
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 03:19 PM
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Women in the developed world have children because they want to have children, not as a favour to men The equivalent would be a man paying the full price for a house he'll live in with his wife. It's not a favour to her - he'll get to live there! Pay up!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 02:39 PM
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I comprehend your point. Men are reluctant to spend money on the hundreds of dates that they have with dozens of women apparently (who the hell is dating dozens of women?) Are you able to comprehend that women are much more reluctant to nuke their bodies and careers forever for a man for whom dinner money is too much?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 01:12 PM
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Again, I repeat: Why would that - acquaintance - ever decide to have children with a stingy man? What's the guarantee he will change just because she's investing more now? Women's investment is delayed - but also much greater than a dinner And now, How are you expecting a woman you won't spend 20$ on to believe you'll support her when she has your children?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 11:41 AM
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Supporting children? That's obvious. I'm talking about supporting the mother of your child, who loses real money by having said child for both of you Why would that stranger ever decide to have children with a stingy man? What's the guarantee he will change just because she's investing more now? Women's investment is delayed - but also much greater than a dinner And yes, if not for the social and biological inequalities, there would be no "need" to court. However, some courting would likely stil…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 11:02 AM
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What would you call putting yourself in a financially vulnerable position to birth a child fathered by a man who won't part with 20$ to get you a plate of pasta?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 09:39 AM
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Because an average woman still earns less, and an average woman still has a child - pregnancy and childbirth are financially vulnerable positions. If we didn't vet for stingyness, you'd say it's our fault for ending up with stingy men
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 09:34 AM
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I want you to know that when a man makes a fuss over covering one date, a woman sees herself 8,5 months pregnant on the bus on the way to work. Covering any pregnancy cost related to her comfort because "it's only for her anyway". Then postpartum paying out of her savings for the bills cause her boss eliminated her position after maternity leave. Cause you know her 50/50 share needs to be covered Stingy men never, ever decide to stop being stingy
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 06:32 AM
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Some men much prefer to pay for an e-hoe than treat a real girl to a date. Why do I feel like many men on PPD would find that much more reasonable
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 06:18 AM
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Like, that's not vetting. Lmao You know full well they're not vetting for dead bedrooms by waiting until marriage and seeing what happens
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 02:57 AM
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roughly similar numbers of women wanting kids, so the market value of motherhood is about the same as fatherhood Depending on what "roughly" means, you'd be wrong. Research seems to steadily point towards the fact that men want children more than women do Reasons for not wanting children also tend to be different for men and women. Men are worried about the economics of it, women are worried about their health, childcare burden, their careers due to the motherhood penalty The numbers are droppin…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 02:56 AM
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I'm pretty clearly stating most of the time average women won't even get a pump and dump? Which part of "big maybe" aren't you understanding? Attractive men don't as much as glance at average women most of the time
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 01:11 PM
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Why uncircumcised. Not much of a choice as far as I know
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 09:33 AM
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You think it's delusional to believe that the majority of women could have sex with multiple attractive men if they wanted to? Yes and no. They can get sex more easily because men are testosterone-pumped horndogs. But you really think conventionally attractive men are going for conventionally average women? Get outta here Maybe and maybe for a pump and dump. And that's a big maybe You think it's delusional to believe that the majority of women can get free money, either directly or indirectly, f…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 09:56 PM
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Sorry, but this is delusional. You people are delusional about the average female experience then turn around and complain most men are invisible to women
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 09:39 PM
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A friend he will know eventually, if you're planning to be long-term with that guy. Is he supposed to think the friend is a hoe forever? That plain is not sustainable I've seen this go the other way lol I was talking assuming the guy is in fact loyal and good
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 08:56 PM
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Women have been saying that. "If he wanted to, he would". I've seen a lot of push-back from men though
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 08:46 PM
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Women have this one figured out, have the hotter friend hit on him That's so stupid though. And then what? He'll tell you your friend tried to hit on him and what do you say? That you were just testing him? Congrats, now you are the psycho Some high school shit
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 08:44 PM
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They always say to vet better but now it's crickets
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 08:40 PM
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So that's it? Percieved value? People irl also have chemistry and fall in love, you know. It is something that happens
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 08:08 PM
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I mean, I think he meant in combination with witholding sex for some time. But then again a lot of men will just stick it out lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 08:04 PM
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A guy will put in a lot of effort towards a woman he is very attracted to or cares a lot about, not just lip service. I think this can vary person to person, but how would you say that looks like?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 08:00 PM
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That's an excellent way to vet people's overall character. A man can be an otherwise stand-up guy and not that into you at the same time though
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 07:58 PM
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All that in 20 minutes? That's impressive That being said, it's not exactly an answer to my question. It can improve your chances but what I was asking is - say you're already doing most of that, (or less - you know very well not all people aim that high) and now what? What about the man's behaviour shows investment?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 07:39 PM
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The envy with which they talk about chads pumping and dumping too
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 07:32 PM
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Do you maybe remember what was the post?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 07:27 PM
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Men answering this question is crazy cause they will NEVER know how other men are around women. They are men so chances are... they know. They might just not be honest about it. I'm still curious about the responses
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 07:25 PM
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Cause they would if they could
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 01:31 PM
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You guys think every woman swims in chad dick and freebies from simps. I mean???
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 09:14 AM
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A threat of... what exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 07:59 AM
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Yes, duh. That is infinitely better than veiled threats of violence
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 10:49 PM
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We got a detective on our hands
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 05:07 PM
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I don't know but definitely not their following
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 04:12 PM
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Numbers baby
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 03:27 PM
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I don't know, I really don't There is exactly one (1) type of a girl 99% of men seem to loooove following online. But wait, the insta baddies do have different hair colours... You're probably right then
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 02:50 PM
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I do genuinely think men have some problems that need to be worked on, but you can imagine it's hard to sympathize when most men (!!) only ever use it as a gotcha to rage on women
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 05:58 AM
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Or maybe just AMALT
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 03:07 PM
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women don’t consider their peak to be when the most men find them attractive, and if it were, those numbers would unfortunately be even lower Interesting how they always go for the lowest legal age. Not even men want to be honest about men's preferences regarding women's (girls'?) age
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 06:40 AM
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Maybe you didn't notice it or just can't read. But it happened I'm sorry. I debunked the point you made. You can't argue with it since that's what I'm telling you
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 11:36 PM
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I totally adressed the "point" you made and won big time. I made a counter-point which was bigger and smarter than yours
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 11:32 PM
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Still no point
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 11:29 PM
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Lmao. Does the point go to another school
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 11:29 PM
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And I for sure have a unicorn named Caramel Apple. You don't have a point
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 11:21 PM
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There is literally no reasonable reason why it would be like this. Since men established the draft, any other interpretation is illogical. You provided a reason but the reason is inherently biased towards men
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 11:12 PM
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All that talking and women are still disproportionately blamed for policies men created
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 11:01 PM
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We're going in circles because you're saying nothing
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 10:46 PM
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That is not a strong example because it proves how selective your framing is. Women get brought up on the draft issue because the same people who demand equal rights, equal status, and equal say suddenly do not want equal obligation when the costs show up Sorry but that's a bag of excuses. Sure, some women don't the draft abolished. But it's men that had it happen at all That is why it stands out more. Or it just stands out more because it happens more often. Which is curious, considering the ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 10:36 PM
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Women are objectively less at fault for the draft. Yet you barely see male politicians getting the blame, it's almost always used to shit on women instead for some reason That's a concrete example. You're talking about nothing in particular. Say, what should women even take the brunt of accountability for regarding common male problems?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 10:16 PM
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Of course you addressed women. Men physically can't hold other men accountable without at least mentioning women's objectively lesser fault but in thrice as many words
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 08:52 PM
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There you go gurl!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 08:59 PM
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Men created laws harmful to men and nothing you say will ever change it
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 08:35 PM
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You're welcome pretty. And thank you! Got a single guy to finally admit accountability. More than I expected genuinely
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 08:34 PM
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Good god, see how long that took you? Phew
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 08:31 PM
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It's funny how you're actually doing exactly what I'm talking about but with me. Who cares about all these men exclusively talking about women's part, including you - it is me, I'm at fault Say that it was mostly men that created those laws! Just say it was mostly men that created those laws👹 Prove me wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 08:24 PM
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It's hilarious how the thread is about men not holding other men accountable and sure enough every single man here's writing longass paragraphs about how actually🤓☝️ women are to blame too! You can't even bear to as much as utter out an actual FACT - it was majorly male politicians created laws that are harmful to men. You can't say it, it won't come out of your mouth if you can help it. It would be funny if it weren't actually crazy
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 08:10 PM
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Those poor poor male politicians. They can't help upholding the draft, I mean some women buy house decor and mascara
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 07:57 PM
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Then maybe blame some of these overwhermingly male money-obsessed politicians for a change, not the general population of women
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 07:53 PM
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Funny how not acting like a brute = action But not having sex = no action Take accountability🫵
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 07:51 PM
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I did not say only women get blamed. I said women choose too Of course you didn't say that. It's just the truth Your point was trying to act like men are the only side people ever hold responsible, which is obviously false No, I said men don't ever blame other men, even if they are objectively more guilty - ex. passing laws harmful to men The second female agency gets mentioned at all, you instantly stretch it into “oh, so now only women are blamed.” No, it's the complete and utter LACK of holdi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 07:49 PM
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Women choose too, but only they ever get blaimed? Get outta here proving my point
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 01:53 PM
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Prove me wrong and go write that guy the same thing. Thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 10:09 AM
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What incentive do women have? How does that benefit them? Obviously none, and it doesn't Why is the blame and demand to change shifted almost entirely on women then?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 08:16 AM
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I think not being a brute is so easy actually
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 07:30 AM
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Dude you are on ppd. There is a man complaining that "most women won't date most men" in this very thread
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 07:28 AM
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This is not even close to true It's true. Why do I never see men blaming other men for the draft, hogging the women etc?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 07:22 AM
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men have zero reason to do what you suggested And women have any reason to help out? Ask men to stop hogging the hoes You're incapable of being critical towards men as you refuse to point out their contribution to the "problem". It's all - "b-but women..."
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 07:21 AM
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Your perfectly good question was based on an assumption and yours is just as good as mine. The point is, you're incapable of as much as being critical towards men
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 05:28 AM
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Explain your thought process because to me it seems like you're babbling
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 05:21 AM
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I love how you're proving my point so prettily, now accusing women of making up male loneliness epidemic. Are you self aware at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 05:18 AM
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Nope
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 05:17 AM
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Convince men to not be brutes!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 05:17 AM
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There always is a male loneliness epidemic when it conveniences men, and isn't when it also conveniences men. Schrodinger's male loneliness epidemic Just in this thread you'll find a guy complaining about hypergamy, male loneliness epidemic implied
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 05:16 AM
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And how are you so sure what will happen? Ran a simulation in your computer brain? You won't even try it, won't think to try it is the thing
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 05:14 AM
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Women don't choose candidates, political parties do Anyway, you're doing it. Blame men who put those legislations forth. Why is it so outrageously difficult to do it? Even fucking once? Acknowledge it somehow? But you just won’t🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 05:11 AM
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Evolution-wise? How? What wealth did our nomadic ancestors aquire over their lifetimes that could be so tempting? Younger men are more physically fit and therefore capable of providing & protecting😉
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 07:10 PM
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I feel like for women the graph that goes around is pretty accurage actually. It starts off with a few years older, reaches the same age, and eventually settles at a few years younger Women don't stay hot and bothered for barely legal men just because that's the lowest it's socially acceptable to. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 07:08 PM
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Dating a young pretty golddigger and having a young pretty sugar baby are very different things. I'm talking about the first one. Sugaring is very specific
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 06:53 PM
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So there are risks. And well, it's not exactly like women just stop being fertile at 30-35 either But since you're talking about "eliminating the risk" why wouldn't evolution have women eliminate that risk too? Try and get that premium 20yo michael phelps swimmers? You can't deny it's just better, and yet women aren't foaming at the mouth to mate with barely legal males. I don't know, kinda feels like an excuse man
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 06:48 PM
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Yeah, so like sperm banks are known to target 35+ year old men. In fact, they don't have age limits at all
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 02:07 PM
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The most controversial statement made in your post is this: We all know men of all ages want young women It's not controversial. We all know. Wherever it's legal, men marry and have sex with girls well under the western age of consent A LOT of women are in denial of this because they are made insecure by the thought that their partner may eventually lose attraction for them and leave them for a younger woman if given the chance Well, of course. Say, why should young women get into relationships …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 12:17 PM
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Men are simultaneously: 1/ Afraid of gold diggers 2/ Wanting an 18-year-old at 35. What do they think a girl like that would want from them? Which leads to an obvious conclusion: men are fine with gold digging, just for the right (young and hot) woman Another conclusion follows: youth and physical attraction are the most important qualities for men by far. Personality matters very little - men are not spoiling a woman that's just kind and respectful etc. In that sense, men aren’t especially comp…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 12:00 PM
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I don't know. As far as my personal experience goes, women have always treated me better
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 05:53 AM
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Do a better job of identifying what women need to take accountability for yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 04:59 PM
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And here he comes with even more buzzwords
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 01:00 PM
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That's no answer, just buzzwords. Taking accountability blah blah, never anything of substance
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 12:57 PM
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It's the exact opposite
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 08:32 PM
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It's an above average woman😉
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 04:24 PM
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You can call it whatever you want, it's still having high standards. Most people aren't slim and that's that, slim built is above average and nothing you say will make it... not Nobody's even telling you that you can't want to date a slim woman. Just admit to having a standard? It's why men refuse to admit they do in fact have standards and don't want "any nice woman" what we don't get
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 04:09 PM
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I've never claimed otherwise. Most women still aren't slim and wanting a slim woman is having high standards! There's literally nothing to argue about here
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 03:22 PM
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Wear heels I don't give a fuck
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 03:09 PM
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And most women aren't skinny. I feel like we're getting somewhere here
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 01:34 PM
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Believe it or not women can also be mentally ill. I know a number of autistic women who never had a boyfriend
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 09:29 AM
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No, I believe that happens. Nobody believes that but there's plenty of cute women out there that never had a boyfriend. On the internet obviously, and I know some personally
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 09:23 AM
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I imagine the fat or old people don't post their photos as much. shrug Obviously. I mean, barely anyone on PPD posts photos anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 09:18 AM
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Oh so you do believe all, or ar least most, men on PPD are skinny muscled kings. Only ever wanting their skinny looksmatch. Got it
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 09:05 AM
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You wanna bet most men on here are slim or in shape, given most men irl aren't? Hmm yeah they probably are gym chads. That's why they're on ppd
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 09:01 AM
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Duhhh! Because they will say "average" and not mean that - maybe not knowing what it means - slim is already not average!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 09:00 AM
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Do you have examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 08:58 AM
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Men frame their standards as the default, yeah - again, that is the point. But they'll also freely provide a whole bunch of them, few of them "average". There are comments and posts, all the time here
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 08:50 AM
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Chubby women over 30 are clowned daily, and you expect me to believe most men would happily (happily!) date them I already know it's not "settling" when men do it
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 08:45 AM
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Pray tell, where are the women here arguing they deserve more than their "market value"?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 08:44 AM
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Then men don't want a reasonably slim girl next door? You've just said the opposite
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 08:27 AM
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Okay, a young hot man can expect to date a young hot woman, I've never said otherwise. Doesn't mean slowly balding men in their 30s with a growing beer gut are hoping for a "looksmatch". They're not but they think they are - nothing special, just a reasonably slim average faced woman a couple years younger. That's already not average
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 08:15 AM
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Do most men want a same-aged (or older - I mean, women live longer!), mildly plump, average faced woman, past a certain age likely a mother too? You are aware that a cute enough next-door type most men want is most likely not average?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 08:07 AM
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Also let's face it, men also have standards, and often high standards. That's the point of this post
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 07:58 AM
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An average man these days isn't a skinny minny either. But they all want slim with a good face At least, when women want taller guys, it's statistically very doable - an average man is taller than an average woman by around 12 cm
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 06:57 AM
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A lot of the time, I think though I'm not a man, it's about the man's treatment towards the girl - a jerk who won't commit, at least micro cheats, etc I've proposed an alternative reason as to why it happens though. Men often settle for women who love them - but unfortunately aren't the 18yo instagram baddies of their dreams. Therefore, they quickly learn they can get away with pretty much anything since she loves them and won't leave
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 06:55 AM
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Human rights and having your ween wetted are comparable to you. Dick brained🫵
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 08:38 PM
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Oh free dinner and gifts? Yeah that's financial power for sure
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 08:01 PM
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These are two entirely different situations economically. Financial power and life experience > sexual power, by far
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 07:52 PM
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sexual power is no power. at best, it's barely power
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 07:44 PM
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I love feeling butt ugly and unwanted. Every little girl's dream. All disney princess movies are about this for a reason
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 03:35 PM
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It’s better when the woman is asking “what are we” 6 months or so in It’s better if she’s sitting at home fantasizing about what it would be like with you while you’re in a relaxed non-chalant vibe and not too bothered about the outcome That sounds so fucking good. Amiright ladies? Where do I fucking sign up
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 02:23 PM
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Men will never treat an average/below average woman like they would a baddie. Never, not a year into dating, not five years after getting married And yet they get mad when women sleep with them two weeks later compared to with some other guy Women need to be more selfish. Men don't gaf
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 08:57 PM
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Your personal experience is not worthless, it's just truly not relevant to the conversation. Disabled children are an entirely separate topic - that being said, you do know that primary caregivers to disabled children are mostly female? The fact you can so easily ignore all that is pretty disgusting
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 06:10 PM
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Frankly, I don't care one bit about your personal struggles (do you care about mine?) and your autistic child is not relevant to the conversation. Women still put their health and lives at risk, carrying and birthing children - did you? As well as suffer an overwhelming brunt of the parent penalty, indirect and direct financial losses. Your personal anecdotal experience does not invalidate that, much as you wish it could apparently
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 05:42 PM
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Feel sorry for most women whose men won't put in effort from the beginning. That's how it ends
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 03:14 PM
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It is so easy to say when none of the brunt falls on you
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 02:08 PM
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It is worthless, monetarily. Quite the definition of unpaid labour. It doesn't matter if it brings you joy or satisfaction, as of right now it's priced at 0$ Women should never put themselves in these circumstances, unless necessary (legal and financial) protections are put in place. But I can only imagine what the reaction of their "loving" provider husbands would be. Even in the initial stages: "why do you feel entitled to my money" Not only that, women should avoid any extra effort (birthing …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 07:46 AM
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It's a humiliation thing. They need to let themselves be humiliated before receiving effort
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 05:38 AM
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It has been my experience. Still yet to experience, first-hand or otherwise, a man spontaneously deciding you deserve a date covered for and some flowers after weeks/months/years of not having to do that. Or anything really, because that's what the post is about, that involves as much as spending a cent
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 05:37 AM
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For a vast majority of people the honeymoon phase is the best you're getting
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 05:30 AM
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That’s revered for someone you’re going steady with Do you really believe it? That men put in more effort as a relationship progresses? No they don't, and especially not men who establish a strict 50/50 from the beginning
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 06:32 PM
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I do understand that, in the age of dating apps, paying for a first date with a stranger seem excessive and unfair It's only that if a man doesn't pay for the first one, he's not paying for the second, third, fourth etc either. And before you know it you're postpartum splitting rent 50/50 from your savings because you dont have paid maternity leave
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 02:27 PM
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Men be like A man not getting sex exactly and precisely as early as every man before him is literally the same as women never getting romance ever Having to wait until the third date was the most humiliating injustice so that's comparable. Please say you would not be okay with that so I can prove a point (the point is me having to wait two weeks longer than "chad" did is the same as you getting no romantic gestures ever in your own relationship) That's what these back and forths always read like
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 10:03 PM
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Like please, you do not want to be penetrated to 0 orgasms for no damn dinner. Let's be fucking honest here
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 07:35 PM
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You wrong to assume being not so conventially attractive correlates to having unconventional standards. Often it is a lack of options, therefore settling
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 06:26 PM
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These marriages hinge on the husbands 1) restraining themselves from doing what they want 2) or more commonly, being unable to do what they want
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 06:00 PM
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And that's all good, there probably would be some people willing to entertain you, maybe they would be settling maybe not. Altogether, a hag. Can you not see how people talk about aging women? Forget this "easy mode" you're talking about
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 01:53 PM
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I certainly don't think the wall is real. I'm bisexual myself, and have been well able to find older women attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 10:35 AM
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Not only that but, at large, they don't have the compulsion to ogle men and boys half their age Men think it'd be all the rage being a woman on the dating market. Stop imagining yourself as hot perpetual 18-23 year olds. Sir you will AGE. You will be a HAG before you know it edit: chances are, you're already a hag. how old are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 10:02 AM
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It doesn't go both ways, that's the thing
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 09:38 AM
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Men don't age out for their female partners the way women seem to. People eye people they find attractive, have fun knowing every day you look less and less like those 18 year olds your faithful male partner so lusts after
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 09:22 AM
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Your synergized and complimentary partner will start eyeing 18 year olds when you inevitably age out (after approximately a few years together - how old are you btw?)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 06:17 AM
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That might have actually taken some time to plan! Sounds great though
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 11:14 AM
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Yeah, I don't know many people in long term relationships whose date of choice is a restaurant dinner. That's for more special occasions
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 10:46 AM
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Months? Oh my. What are the dates then? They must be crazy impressive Because I know for a fact planning a dinner date takes 5 minutes to make a reservation. Make it fancy and grab some flowers while you're grocery shopping, that's about a minute of your time. They're right by the cash register If you're overwhelming yourself with months of planning then that's on you, there's truly no need to be doing all that
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 10:10 AM
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There is so much I could say about this single paragraph Of course there are women out there dating men who give low or minimal effort. That's the below minimum wage I just mentioned For one, these women are also clearly unhappy, it's most likely actively causing issues in the relationship and you want that? Pardon my french but I will never, ever understand the male desire to treat your partner as shittily as you can get away with. That's sociopathic It's my original point - I do get that some …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 06:21 PM
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The problem is that advice is contradictory to women's vetting and men are interested more. It's gay chicken and women simply win You know, for all this talking about deserving better treatment with time and commitment, including but not limited to financial investment, every woman will tell you it doesn't work like that. Men put in the most effort in the beginning - it won't ever get better If a man is putting in zero effort in the beggining, you will be getting less than nothing. Who of any va…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 04:15 PM
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skill issue i had much success
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 06:15 PM
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okay. well, i am bisexual and have loved treating women i dated. many women say that, we truly don't get how getting those grocery store flowers from time to time will set you on fire
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 05:19 PM
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In my country it be used by the father too duh. They just almost never use it. It's not all one's legal opportunities, we do live in a society
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 02:51 PM
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It does depend where you are. Where I'm from, women get 1 year guaranteed maternity leave. Which is good in itself but it also means employers lowkey suspect you only want to get hired, get pregnant, and fuck away asap
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 12:06 PM
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Sorry abour a personal question, men are often hypocritical about this
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 07:47 AM
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Are you a virgin?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 07:43 AM
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Out of curiosity, what does worth the effort mean to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 07:17 AM
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That's understandable but, though the post itself is general, it's more so about long term dating than first dates I will note that for many men covering the first date is a marker of physical attraction
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 06:24 AM
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In hiring when you're a woman in her 20s/30s it doesn't matter. As far as they know you might get pregnant and become useless
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 05:18 PM
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Hm. Well, all women can get pregnant even if they're not planning to. Hell, all women in their childbearing years bear consequences of potential reproduction ex. in hiring, or accidental pregnancy To answer the question, it's very complex
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 05:03 PM
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Well, no, nobody on reddit wants children when asked this question. What about inequality between sexes due to how reproduction occurs in humans? "Well, I don't want a child"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 04:19 PM
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It of course can depend on circumstance. I want these nuanced thoughtful takes under the many threads of men demanding sex on first dates
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 04:09 PM
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Well yeah, it's not a marker of love but it can definitely be a marker of attraction. Are you saying women are wrong to pursue men who feel visceral attraction for them? (let's now think of who and in what context usually uses this phrasing)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 04:08 PM
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Wow it's almost as if this thread is a cheeky response to something
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 03:58 PM
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They’re terrified of gold diggers but spend a lot of money on women they’re interested in the most They're terrified of having to pay for a woman they don't even want that much. I suppose if she's good enough, it then pays off. Or they just feel good about treating her. Probably a combination of the two
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 03:14 PM
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Well, I've already established it doesn't only concern strange women from what I've seen
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 12:56 PM
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To be honest, I don't really understand how'd you see that as so surprising. Even if it's not your personal experience, we are living in an era of fearmongering that women are leeches out for your gold (20$) But since we're onto that, my own personal experience is nothing like yours
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 12:45 PM
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Sure, that's true. I do take that into account, however, at this stage it can be a marker of attraction. Men talk a lot about "visceral desire" - why shouldn't women want to be desired? (that being said, I do understand where you're coming from and don't feel very strongly in particular about first dates)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 12:33 PM
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First stage and long term dating. It could be my experience, though that I also hear a lot from external sources, but a man that's used to going 50/50 on everything will rarely develop a spontaneous desire to... not do that
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 12:30 PM
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I have seem men refuse to spend a cent on a woman they're dating. Both irl and on reddit
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 12:26 PM
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This is the sentiment men express, when talking about FIRST dates (and maybe when the relationship is already established, and man is hitting a financial pothole). For some yes, for some no. Many men use this sentiment when talking about first dates and everything else after that On PPD, that's definitely most men
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 12:14 PM
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All that is understandable imo
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 12:12 PM
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So you didn't write "if he won't do these things for you, high chances are he doesn't fucking love you" anywhere. Got it Have you ever heard about a synonym, or a paraphrase? And put it opposite to this They're essentially the same thing And then started talking about first dates Not really. You did. I kept saying simply "dates" I AGREE men won't have problems with spoiling a woman they LOVE. I disagree not paying for expensive first date has any correlation to it I keep repeating it depends on …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 11:35 AM
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"they wouldn't be giving "dream girl" bare minimum or clenching their ass about treating her to a nice date" edit1: Tell me though: if a man meets the one, is he going to recoil at the thought of treating her to a nice date that's in his budget?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 11:14 AM
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Quote what? "paying for the date, bringing flowers, driving her places, etc" - this? These are things considered bare minimum, and no dude has problems with doing them IN RELATIONSHIP, with WOMAN THEY LOVE. So we literally fucking agree because what I'm saying if he won't do these things for you, high chances are he doesn't fucking love you
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 11:09 AM
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It will be so easy for you to quote me on this then, go on It's okay you didn't read what I'm saying and therefore misunderstood in bad faith, as one does on reddit
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 10:55 AM
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"By “spoil,” I’m not necessarily talking about things luxury vacations or designer bags, but rather what the man can realistically afford" guess whose words are those
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 10:32 AM
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Nobody is clenching their teeth about taking the women they love to dinner. Yes, they're clenching their teeth about taking the women they don't love (aren't attracted to) to dinner Which is the base of my argument
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 10:31 AM
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And where did I ever say I expect that of anyone
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 10:29 AM
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See, I knew you would say that because we're on reddit
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 10:29 AM
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I've literally just said that's not what I think
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 10:09 AM
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It is true. It should be equitable though and not necessarily equal in each individual aspect. Is a man going to birth a child for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 10:07 AM
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And that's good. Times are changing, women earn money too, they don't need to be provided for. If we want to abolish female gender roles, we also should do so with male ones. Anyone claiming otherwise either wants to leave trade life or is a hypocrite. Covering the date is not the shackles and "providing" you think it is 1st - 3rd date should be inexpensive and dutch, unless I really feel the spark, or see she REALLY feels spark I mean, you've said it yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 10:04 AM
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Not really, but the issue is using that as a presumption of thinking you’re the one. I don't think of it as a qualifier though - more so a disqualifier. Not every man who pays for a date thinks you're the one - but chances are, if a man really really doesn't want to treat you, he thinks you're not the one for him (keep in mind paying for the date is just an example) Your view would’ve been more warranted if the culture around paying for dates was different. If a man paying was more rare then yea…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 09:59 AM
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Explain the last part. The courting stage is very temporary
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 09:50 AM
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Of course a guy won't have a problem spending money on a girl he thinks is "the one". Those who talk about going dutch etc too, they just need to know for sure, she IS the ONE. A girl i barely know is not my dream girl. She could be, but not in this moment. That is a fair point. In the very initial stages it often comes down to her looks and attraction though, no? You are saying this, as if this was not the default in modern days. It was always "a woman is the prize, you have to fight for her" a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 09:49 AM
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Don't you miss cinnamon rolls though?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 08:48 AM
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Tell me though: if a man meets the one, is he going to recoil at the thought of treating her to a nice date that's in his budget?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 08:39 AM
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Specialized effort is the most important indicator, of course, but if a man is actively refusing to do any generalized effort at all, that's not good either
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 08:25 AM
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Yes, that's also definitely true
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 08:24 AM
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You are putting words in my mouth. All I'm saying is a man won't hesitate to invest in his dream girl, however that may look like
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 07:55 AM
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No, it's not demanding, that's what I'm saying. If you're the dream girl, he will want to do these things naturally instead of clenching his teeth about taking the woman he loves to dinner
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 07:54 AM
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Gold digging and the gold is a dinner and flowers edit: I'm not saying anything but your speech patterns sound like a man's
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 07:50 AM
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It has nothing to do with your attitude and everything to do with his
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 07:42 AM
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It doesn't have to be gifts as such. It can be other things, but he will want to treat you well by his own volition
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 07:27 AM
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Sure. For most women, it actually feels good to be courted by a man they have feelings for though. I feel like that's common sense Women also vet for stinginess. It's not about the 15$, it's about knowing their man is willing to part with the 15$ for her at all. You do understand that if he's not, that's going to be a problem later on when she has his children and is in an economically vulnerable situation
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 07:15 AM
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It genuinely is
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 07:08 AM
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True. In an ideal scenario, both partners are giving even though they don't "have to" be
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 07:04 AM
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I don't know. It is a little different with "professional services". I think most women hope to date men who don't hire escorts, so that wouldn't apply
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 07:03 AM
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If I ask and he won't pay I'm gonna feel lesser about him anyway! Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 06:21 AM
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My point you wrong Translated to caveman for your convenience
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 08:50 PM
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I think your incorrect reasoning corresponds with another's person incorrect reasoning and both of you are incorrect together. There
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 08:47 PM
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I can't teach you how to read sorry
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 04:59 PM
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They are analogous and also not real. Women not jumping into bed with a man immediately doesn't necessarily mean he's unattractive and not "chad". Men do often treat women they date very differently, and it's not prone to change with "time and commitment" unlike what you insinuated in your comment So what I'm saying the two situations are not that comparable in the first place, since for men it's a matter of timing and for women the treatment they get for the entirety of a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 02:57 PM
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It's not exactly switching the subject, it's just that my opinion on it is different. But sure, you responded to a hot take with a hot take Then again let's acknowledge the elephant in the room that OP's hot take is a response to a great a many hot takes by men on PPD. There's threads advocating for chad treatment every other day here. I'm not seeing any men call to set a uniform standard for treating women they date though. They don't have one, and neither do they want to Hence the deliberately…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 02:29 PM
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I don't know about that. It's understandable that you won't treat all your partners exactly the same - people change, age, prioritise different things You can definitely go overboard with this, wanting exactly the same treatment, flowers or sex on precisely the first date or whatever I can definitely understand men whose girl was all over her ex but is lukewarm at best in the bedroom with them though. Just as I know I wouldn't feel great if my boyfriend romanced his ex all the time but never tre…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 02:16 PM
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Simply put, you are attempting to discuss a different issue from the one raised in the original post. Sure, yeah. I definitely don't think OP is entirely right. It's much more nuanced, and there is much room for circumstance I don't see how that invalidates my argument though
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 02:06 PM
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Sure, but I would like to say that the situation you described in the comment above is far from typical. It's not a matter of timing, like it is for men because she is going to be sleeping with you eventually - and with timing, it can genuinely be circumstance The insistence she should be sleeping with you just as early as she did with some other guy doesn't take that into account at all Men go all out for hot women but the other women might get Olive Garden - forever. It's never going to be not…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 08:53 AM
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"If you don't pay for the date, I will like you less" is universally rude - simply due to the fact that it feels coercive instead of informative I'd prefer to let the man do as he'd like to do instead of putting pressure on him
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 10:13 PM
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Yeah? Men do that. All the time. It's barely talked about compared to the other way around
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 10:02 PM
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I could choose to go against societal norms and come off as rude for the vast majority of people but I'm not going to
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 05:47 PM
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It's definitely disgusting, I do call it crazily manipulative. It also works very well and often causes minimal conflict - just a little bit of nagging from your wife before you get to live it up like a king. Hence my choice of words But as to what you're saying, somehow they're never this dumb at work
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 01:18 PM
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If men are so much smarter than women, why can’t they manage a household, or look after kids, or do chores without being told? Girl but that's exactly it. They're not too dumb to do it, they just don't want to and are just smart and cynical enough to come up with a way to have someone else take care of it. Weaponized incompetence is so subtle yet so effective and elegant Crazily manipulative though - who teaches them that? Where do they even learn to do that? Is that instinct?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 12:39 PM
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Should be, would be, could be
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 11:32 AM
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As long as it works for you, but let's not act like politeness is this brand new concept invented by me to deceive men. For whatever reason, brutal honesty is neither common nor "normal" in society, at least where I'm from
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 06:36 PM
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burple pill debate
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 05:22 PM
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So I assume - when you ask your date questions you always start with "by the way, I'm not gonna like the answer so and so" right? So you don't Lucy with the football them? Because that's how humans make conversation?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 03:29 AM
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Hands on experience with a man does that for you
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 09:26 PM
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It's called politeness. What you're saying is a face-threating act towards the man, and could read like I'm trying to embarass or threaten the man into paying. It's aggressive and goes against social conventions I really don't get how politely paying your half is that bad. Do you verbally point out each thing your dates do that you dislike?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 08:52 PM
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How is it game playing? I don't make a fuss and pay my half. It's not a test, unless so is asking a question and accepting the answer that you happen to dislike. Which happens a lot on dates
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 08:39 PM
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I only let the man pay if I can see it going further in the first place. That said, I will offer and like him less if he accepts I'd pay my share when I first started dating my boyfriend and I regret it. It really does set the tone for the rest of the relationship. There's no rewards, no "proving yourself" until he decides you're committed enough to deserve that date and these flowers. If you don't ask for anything initially, you won't be getting those, ever
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 05:02 PM
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Men will say things like that and then cry misandry because women laugh at them on the internet and won't sleep with them
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 08:12 AM
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They don't have to pay for dates though, as I already established. Just like a woman doesn't have to spend money to look nicer than she otherwise would, as is in turn expected of women
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 12:16 AM
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Some women also have to lower their standards. Just the way life goes
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 11:55 PM
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You are not talking about average men anymore then. I've already said a whole lot of women will split the bill, and it seems to be factually supported even if we account for (potential!) low reliability. Most men can date a woman that doesn't expect them to pay, if you don't want to then that's entirely on you
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 11:30 PM
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If most women can get that, then just go for women that can't get that. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 11:00 PM
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And men go above and beyond for attractive women🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 10:57 PM
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Still, a significant number of women will split the bill. The surveys are only so reliable, but some of them do cite as many as +50%. But even if it's as low as 20%, that's still one in five women. Definitely not impossible, very doable. You can also improve your chances by going for women that don't seem high-maintenance. It would probably be so much easier to get a woman with lower expectations to date a man that has trouble dating anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 10:44 PM
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And porn. It's also porn. All in all, the internet and tunnel vision for baddies. Tunnel vision so bad they legitimately don't seem to realise they have it
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 10:34 PM
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It's not a vast majority of women though. There are options, plenty of them
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 10:30 PM
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Fully agree. They could just date women that split the bill. But since they don't want to, that piece of advice not only solves nothing but also actively annoys them. Like, can't we see that they want baddies to go 50/50 with them? Dumb hags that we are
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 09:44 PM
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Just date those women?? What's the problem
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 02:03 PM
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It genuinely seems not to register to them. They say most men are attracted to average women, but it's always thin young women with maybe an average face at best but most often not even that Every average woman will tell you life's nothing like the army of simps ready to lay down their salaries for you like men describe. Now, when you go out with a very pretty friend, you get to see it's close to the truth for some
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 08:08 AM
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This is one of the most troubling aspects of male sexuality for me to understand. I genuinely struggle to empathize here
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 07:38 PM
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Because we know it's not gonna last. It's only so long before your man decides it's time you start doing the majority of chores and popping out babies for him And do nothing for you anymore, forever
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 08:18 AM
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Always blaming evolution but somehow women are able to stay attracted to their sour jizzed same-age partners, despite the TANGIBLE detriment on the expecting mother's well-being (not to mention the fetus) Men are just lizard brained? Is that what you're saying?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 05:27 PM
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God aren't you quite the nagger yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 08:54 PM
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I'd report him and move on. I did. I don't know why the mods aren't taking action for what is clearly at the very least uncivil conduct
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 04:40 PM
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holy shit bastard discrimination in the 21st century kinda cool, medieval! are you a fan of game of thrones or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 05:20 AM
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ill bite. why is a mans financial comfort soooo much more important to you than HIS child's needs and why the single mother's financial comfort matters so little in comparison
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 10:45 PM
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Start giving birth or give up the endless fussing good god
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 09:11 PM
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It makes a difference💕 You just hate women having bodily autonomy to decide a process only they can bodily go through
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 08:58 PM
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Too many men claim to hate OF and too many men pay for that to be true
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 08:54 PM
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The detriment will exist as long as women get pregnant. It is unfair that only women get to decide to abort a pregnancy, just as it's unfair that they have to suffer to have a child - if men were able to get pregnant and suffer that burden, they'd be able to decide too. How are you not getting that
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 08:53 PM
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How is what I said sociopathic? It's only fair, because men can't give birth and all the physical and most of the financial toll is on women. Please address that
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 08:47 PM
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Ok, so sociopathy
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 08:44 PM
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Her body, her choice A living breathing kid, not her choice. Not his choice either The grave injustice is that women get pregnant. To you, it's that they can therefore decide whether to abort or not. To me, it's that it's on women alone to suffer through pregnancy and childbirth and concequent mother penalties It will never be fair. Why should it? Men will never be able to take on the burden of childbearing
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 08:41 PM
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Men think paying for the kid they themselves fathered is grave injustice and cosmic imbalance. Didn't even need to push it out. That is pathetic selfish and antisocial sorry
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 08:36 PM
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If things were ever fair, you'd be able to get pregnant three times
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 08:31 PM
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If I had three wishes, I'd wish you get pregnant three times
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 08:29 PM
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Hate? They love those baddies. They scramble to spend their last cent on them
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 08:27 PM
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Oh so it's abortion ban and no child support. Nice, sociopathic
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 08:25 PM
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what does marriage even have to do with this? it's not alimony, it's not for the mother, it's for the child. married parents or not, there is a living breathing child that needs to eat at the end of the day are you saying fuck that kid so the deadbeat can hang onto the sweet sweet cash?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 08:18 PM
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Financial penalty will incentivize men to keep their cocks tucked neatly inside their pants, where they belong - that is until they are deemed worthy of marriage by a good woman
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 08:16 PM
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Telling of what exactly? I was asking to elaborate, not paraphrase
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 04:30 PM
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Well, what have you got to say about married men scrambling to send over their paychecks to those girls? That they vastly outnumber?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 04:24 PM
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Girl they're getting called slutty whores riding the cock carousel left and right, in what world are you living? Why's there no pussy carousel?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 04:21 PM
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Elaborate
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 04:17 PM
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No???
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 03:26 PM
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Girl restaurants???
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 02:48 PM
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No lmao it doesn't
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 01:50 PM
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Why are you expecting me to disagree that sexual abuse on boys is wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 01:30 PM
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Have you heard about a society where women can and do systematically marry and have children with little boys
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 01:20 PM
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It is systematic, not systematic like the opposite though
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 01:09 PM
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Fair
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 01:08 PM
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I didn't come up with any of this. When men keep talking about the wall and need for variety etc etc what else can one do but believe them
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 01:08 PM
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The fuck are you on purplepilldebate for then?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 01:06 PM
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Why do you concern yourself with anything that's not looking after your own ass? Do you? Politics, social issues, men's rights, anything? Well, maybe you don't
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 01:00 PM
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Girl I am not trying to tell you female on male rape is somehow okay and not a problem It's just not, and has never been, systematic like male on female rape & child marriage between girls and grown men
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 12:59 PM
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No it sounds like an issue of male sexuality
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 12:56 PM
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Male sexuality. I am not a man
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 12:54 PM
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So far so good. My boyfriend's past the wall (30+). Still attracted to him, we'll see how it goes
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 12:52 PM
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When I'm 60, probably yeah
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 12:42 PM
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And it's not okay, very much not okay. Not the same thing though
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 12:41 PM
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Thank you for your honesty. But how would you say us women are supposed to feel about that? Grateful that you won’t fuck the 18yo, even though you so badly want to?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 12:39 PM
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Girl you're making no sense god bless
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 12:36 PM
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We live in a society Kray. Many asian women complain about yellow fever and being sexualised
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 12:33 PM
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There certainly are some I haven't seen women (at large) push for a social order that allows them to couple up with children though
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 12:31 PM
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That's true. I am talking in general
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 12:27 PM
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That male sexuality is incompatible with monogamy and building a family unit
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 12:24 PM
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Why do I see far more gymbros with a chubby/overweight girlfriend than I see fit gymgirls with a chubby/overweight boyfriend? I see more pretty girls with average men. I doubt there is a statistic for this topic. Now what? Why do I see far more very short women date very tall guys, but rarely a short guy with a woman of the same height or taller than himself? Sure, that I will admit. However men on average are taller by around 12-13 cm. It's just not as likely Why do I see load of white male/asi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 12:23 PM
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So you admit it
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 12:19 PM
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That is what I think
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 12:19 PM
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You are missing a part impossible for them to stay genuinely committed to one woman and still feel satisfied Satisfied according to the base instincts
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 12:18 PM
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I mean, phew
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 12:17 PM
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🤝🏼
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 12:16 PM
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Yes I can differentiate between the two, and yes I am STILL talking about the former Get lost and learn how to read
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 12:16 PM
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Do you think, for example, high body counts are equally shamed for men and women? Women are societally expected to be prudent. No, I still don't think you're right
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 12:14 PM
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Sorry for your loss
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 12:08 PM
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You probably could differentiate between inherent sexuality and sexuality as influenced by social norms
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 12:07 PM
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They probably think addiction, cheating, and household labour distribution statistics don't play a role at all
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 12:05 PM
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I suppose it could well be influenced by pornography etc. But, before it was readily available, things were not much different I think
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 12:04 PM
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I am in fact implying many men would go younger if they could, and I have good reasons to believe so. You have unsupported blind faith in men instead
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 12:00 PM
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Why are you comparing normal people to celebrities? It's a good point about onlyfans though. The models get a lot of hate, but men - often married - love them and love paying for them
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 11:57 AM
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By contrast, if a plain Jane leaves her Billy Beta husband because he's just not exciting like the bad boys she was with in her early 20s, society will still sympathize with the woman. The husband will be blamed for not meeting an impossible standard. I disagree. Women are more harshly judged for our sexuality
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 11:56 AM
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Dude! I am talking about the base instincts. I am talking about the base instincts!😠
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 11:54 AM
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If we were to talk about honesty, then I am highly suspicious law is the only thing stopping men from going even younger Source: western society historically and many societies worldwide currently
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 11:51 AM
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But most men are not animals and can control their urges for the sake of a better society at large. And that's why I'm saying male sexuality seems borderline antisocial
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 11:48 AM
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if they love you I would hope they want you more than some random 23 year old I mean... I would hope so too! I just don't believe that anymore sometimes
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 11:44 AM
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Then could you elaborate a bit on non-negative aspects of male sexuality? I mean, obviously I want you to be right
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 11:42 AM
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Women care about looks and are attracted to men their age. I really don't know what to tell you
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 11:41 AM
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Why? What are you risking more than a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 10:31 AM
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It's not all "just nature", at least in the way you're implying. Nature also gives us minds and souls, you know? We're people too. Women also need time to grow, discover themselves, get financially stable. We often don't know what we want out of life at 21, just like you don't Now that women can, they marry and have children older than they used to. The advice to settle down young with a "good man" because you will become a hag with age - when we will still age whether married or not with all th…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 03:00 PM
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So it's entirely down to being "ran through?" I understand a 30yo virgin woman is just as desirable then? If not, then it's also up to youth, and we are still going to age. If it's inevitable that the "good man" you're talking about will only be less and less attracted to us - and quickly, literally a matter of a few years... then all around it's a shitty deal
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 01:12 PM
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Yeah? With whom? 35yo hags? Hard pass
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 12:49 PM
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First loves are special in their own way - but when you meet the real shit, they don't compare When I first met my boyfriend, he made me feel like a teenager. Stupid clammy and shy. At that point, I didn't think I had it in me anymore but what do you know
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 10:09 PM
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⁠> Expecting the man to plan and pay for the date. If he can't or doesn't want to do this, that tells you a lot. What does that tell you?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 07:42 AM
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And the mind of a red pill man is so deliciously simple
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 08:10 PM
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You have an issue with it because women want to be able to fuck every hot guy possible without having to deal with the very real consequences of sex Cry your wettest tears about it More projection. This comment gives you away. Women marry older, have children older. Things will be getting worse for you girl lovers
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 08:07 PM
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Lmao BUSTED
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 08:03 PM
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We're all gonna be hags in your eyes eventually anyway! Trying to trick young women into giving ass up young. Get a grip Why would we invest our all into "securing" a man that's not unlikely to pay for only fans and eye women half his age once we inevitably grow older Better start developing a grandma fetish, cause the average will only be getting older and older baby
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 08:01 PM
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The advice is fucking stupid because there's an unspoken "don't age" rule which is impossible Fuck what red pill says, like actually. Be happier for it
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 12:20 PM
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And that's all fine but let's not pretend what I'm saying is coming out of nowhere - many men these days don't share your attitude
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 02:03 PM
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Or they're showing they are insecure and have a worriedly low self esteem But once they "prove" themselves, the man will start treating them better, right? Right?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 10:58 AM
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She will date you UNHAPPILY. That's my main point. She'll date you, she'll love you, all while being unsatisfied with how she's treated It's a question to men, why treat the woman that loves you worse just because you can "get away with it"
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 07:08 AM
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Yeah no shit? I straight up say it, what do you mean I'm trying to argue against it. Nice paraphrase tho
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 06:23 AM
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No that's not at all what I'm saying. Putting in effort means no self esteem anymore? Maybe it it's not reciprocated Accepting bare minimum is for sure self esteem though
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 03:49 PM
1

Yes, she will stay with you through bare minimum if she likes you enough AND has a low self esteem
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 02:26 PM
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Yeah they didn't wanted flowers because men don't like flowers, you're supposed to give something the other person is supposed to want or is aligned with what this person would want, like games, drinks or trinkets. And when have I argued otherwise They're not. They are. It's usually 50/50 and then switching between paying these days This is the most useless argument possible and ignore the basics of the situation: men are expected earlier with tangible efforts that the woman get and is not force…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 06:32 AM
2

So a woman should only expect to be treated well if she's super desirable?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 06:23 AM
2

Taking name is optional. If you want, you can, otherwise no problem. Many guys do have a problem though Differences in libido? This sounds like a sexist stereotype of men being horndogs Objectively, most women have less libido than most men. It varies individual to individual but that's a general tendency Giving birth? Well, if you don't want kids nobody should push you into that. Normally people should match their expectations regarding kids when planning marriage or LTR. No, giving birth is a …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 06:20 AM
2

Yeah obviously
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 05:13 AM
2

Men don't get flowers til their funeral (...) but they still enjoy it Men online say that, but no man that I've asked irl wanted flowers. They all make a face (it's unmanly and pointless and stupid). Including my boyfriend, whom I asked, yeah As for the dates, 1/ Not true, men are generally taken on dates. It's a 50/50 world out there these days 2/ I know men are traditionally expected to do more in the initial stages of a relationship, and it may seem unfair - but women are traditionally expect…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 10:44 PM
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For every woman wanting a bad boy, I see many more complaining about bare minimum And as a woman, I can tell you for sure how it works between women themselves - nobody's jealous of a boyfriend that treats his girlfriend poorly. She doesn't brag about him - other women pity her. It's humiliating
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 10:36 PM
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I don't know about all that, when I'm addressing statements made by men themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 10:10 PM
2

Well, yes. That's what I'm addressing, not something else entirely
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 09:56 PM
2

I didn't establish that frame myself though. Look at examples below, taken off ppd You're not wrong that women like these things, but generally if she doesn't like you, fancy courtship rituals aren't gonna change her mind and if she likes you, then she'll still date you without you doing all that (...) then she likes you enough for you to just go on a coffee date or whatever, it'll be fine. Women make it really easy when they want you, in my experience at least, if you ever feel like you have to…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 09:51 PM
3

That's not unreasonable
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 09:40 PM
2

What?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 09:25 PM
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You might well not need them, to be fair, sure. I wasn't trying to be offensive. Things like putting in more care into her appearance than a man would, taking his name when married, accounting for differences in libido for the man's needs, giving birth to children, being the primary parent, taking over the brunt of housework They are just examples. Some cultures expect those, some don't, and the same goes for individual men
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 09:23 PM
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Both what I'm hearing here and irl experiences & observations
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 09:17 PM
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Gathered a few examples, took one minute. I feel like you see it a lot on here You're not wrong that women like these things, but generally if she doesn't like you, fancy courtship rituals aren't gonna change her mind and if she likes you, then she'll still date you without you doing all that (...) then she likes you enough for you to just go on a coffee date or whatever, it'll be fine. Women make it really easy when they want you, in my experience at least, if you ever feel like you have to go …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 09:15 PM
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It's not that guys treat woman that are really into them worse, it's that these woman stick around despite not being courted as much Is there any intention to put in more effort once she's "proved" herself? Or just coasting?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 09:06 PM
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The thing is, I can provide examples, but it really does vary person to person Many men say a woman that genuinely likes them won't require much effort to date - and it reads like whatever they're capable/used to doing, she'll accept less
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 09:04 PM
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I'm mostly referring to situations where attraction and feelings are mutual though
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 09:00 PM
2

Just what I'm hearing from men here on ppd
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 08:58 PM
1

Sure, I'm not arguing against reciprocal effort But these sentiments I'm talking about have a strong implication of planned and purposeful low effort down the line
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 08:57 PM
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Normal people don’t think or act like this We're not exactly on r/ normalpeople. But these sentiments are making their way into irl dating But if you’re boyfriend-girlfriend and dating? Why wouldn’t you take her out? Yeah, like. Why wouldn't you
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 08:55 PM
2

Sure, as long as you expect and accept the same in return + no rites usually expected from women
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 08:53 PM
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I feel like that's a normal human response to an extent - when you feel safe and comfortable, you can unpurposefully get a little lazy What I don't understand is purposefully planning for it
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 08:53 PM
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I don't really understand how it relates to the question though
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 08:49 PM
1

Labour of their body, yes. Organs and blood making up their body, no. This is a bad faith conversation if you're gonna pretend it's the same
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 07:29 PM
1

Okay then, so it's about fault and consequences to you Assuming you cause a road accident - no DUI or anything but it is your fault and the other person has some internal issues now and needs a kidney You should be forced to give it, yeah?? Or are we only treating women like this, and not even over actually developed humans but some bloody tissue paper clump of cells
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 09:51 AM
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Their organs and blood?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 07:31 AM
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Is the person who needs your kidney's right to live and your right to live mutually exclusive
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 05:05 AM
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Good cause I'm not obligated to share my uterus with any full humans deserving of human rights either
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 04:59 AM
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The person who needs your kidney to live is also fully human and deserving of human rights. Give them your kidney
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 01:43 AM
5

Yes, but it's also more niche
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 01:07 PM
4

You can sell ass pics online. You do know that, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 12:05 PM
1

So true. Being treated like someone from Chad. Yeah
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 05:09 AM
1

Yes you are so smart I meant a literal royal princess with a title. That's exactly what I meant because everything anyone says is only meant to be taken literally. So for example when men say they want chad treatment they mean some dude whose name is Chad
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 05:06 AM
2

No I actually want to be loved on and treated like a princess thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 04:59 AM
0

The fuck did she do?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 08:09 PM
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What does 6/10 entail? What does 10/10?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 01:04 PM
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You didn't catch shit. I asked particular men of this sub and never argued about with their replies and experience I would also like to see the same energy from you when men here ask women questions relating for this exact same thing for the third damn time within the same month
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 04:46 PM
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How about I ask what I want and you get off my ass. Why are you asking me this huh? Trying to catch me fishing? What for? I very admittedly believe many men are hypocritical about this and will often treat women they date differently
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 04:24 PM
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Well, there's nothing to ask if it's the same. Ultimately, this thread is about the differences
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 05:38 AM
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We will start feeling sorry for men when they start treating every woman they ever date the same
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 10:16 PM
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Stay miserable
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 10:07 PM
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They don't care about none of that girl. To them you're making a bunch of buzzing noises rn. Zzz. That's what they hear
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 09:49 PM
1

What were the differences?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 09:36 PM
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Just look at the rate they keep sending their paychecks over to OF girls. Many of them are married and would likely not spend all that money on dates with their wives
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 01:28 PM
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A lot of guys have thus unfounded ideas that women live this wonderful life of constantly being spoiled. They think men are sending us money, buying us gifts, paying our rent, opening doors for us, and treating us like delicate little flowers. Genuinely, where is this coming from? They think we're all getting handfed strawberry shortcake by simps Is this the models? Are they looking at models and think this is what we're all getting? Or are they just only capable of perceiving very attractive wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 12:31 PM
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I'm sure you don't think you have to accept poor treatment forever if you did once though
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 08:31 AM
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It is kind of hypocritical though
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 08:29 AM
1

What did you do for her that you didn't for other women?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 08:28 AM
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What does the difference look like in your case, in practice?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 08:27 AM
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No? Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 05:13 PM
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It's not that women don't want a man they're really attracted to to put in effort - they do, it feels nice. It's just that they're more likely to overlook/forgive it Ironically enough, it's like men punish women who actually really like them with less effort
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 04:03 PM
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It totally is. Expensive, pointless, they feel dumb walking back from the florist with them And you're ignoring when I say many women still aren't getting even that - well, dates that take more effort than a walk, to be very precise if I so must
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 03:57 PM
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If there's no dates and no flowers and no courting in general, then what exactly are the hoops?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 01:59 PM
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Well yes? I provided commonly cited examples of "jumping through hoops", often by men themselves? What exactly is the issue? Well I wasn't talking about lobster dinners either. And yet
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 01:58 PM
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Those were just examples how many men do you think are against going on a date with a woman (maybe against expensive ones) Yeah, I'm not talking about walking dates. That's not exactly much of a "hoop" is it
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 01:41 PM
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Men are complaining about having to jump through hoops and women are complaining about no flowers and dates. How's that work?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 01:19 PM
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Funny how men would not be satisfied at all by the same signs
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 12:42 PM
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You know what I meant. The same thing men are constantly talking about on here
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 09:36 AM
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See, but I don't buy it. There has to be a difference between a woman that's just the type (even if at first glance) and one that's just okay It seems very convenient that men here have a whole rulebook on early-tells for the woman's investment, but for women it's "I don't know. You'll find out when it's time for marriage, whenever that is"
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 06:40 AM
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No need to get so emotional
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 09:46 PM
3

There is a separate thread devoted to just that. Go there
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 04:23 PM
7

Say, first three months
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 04:15 PM
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What kind of effort? Impress how?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 03:40 PM
6

That's so long term though, after possibly much time wasted. Any short-term pointers?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 12:56 PM
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What does that entail precisely?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 11:41 AM
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Okay thanks for an actual response. I'm not getting any lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 11:23 AM
6

What loving things do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 11:19 AM
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I don't know if it happens so rarely. Men on here complain about a lack of options all the time - so it's not inconceivable to assume they would often settle for what they can get. There's a subreddit for women that their men won't marry. We can also clearly see the type of women men follow online So you're not going to actually answer the question?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 10:48 AM
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Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 10:37 PM
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Imagine how most dudes would react if women didn’t care if they finished every time or not. They’d go mental. It's actually sick how many men just don't care enough to bother. It's sick. Sick! Could you imagine? You sigh, roll over, pat the man's ass and he's lying there still hard? And then you go to sleep It's sick
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 10:37 PM
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The first step is honestly to try at all Too many times a man's orgasm means the end of intimacy. If he asks, she'll possibly admit to not having come yet - he'll be let down but he won't attempt to get her off Use your fingers, mouth, I don't know. You have options Women feeling the need to fake an orgasm when sleeping with a man, while the man has no problem getting what he wants That's the root of the problem. Men are somewhat naturally selfish and women are socialized to be self-sacrificial …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 09:59 PM
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They think it'll encourage us to settle down young😭 Bitch there's no point if I'm becoming a hag to you in 5-10 years anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 07:09 PM
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I mean, women punish men who tell the truth, so this shouldn't be too surprising. Punish how?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 08:11 AM
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When you keep getting told you expire at 25... You know what, yeah. Yeah. You're starting to think you might have as well fucked around
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 10:44 PM
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Entitled🫵
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 07:08 PM
2

You better show some damn gratitude for the monthly starfish then
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 06:59 PM
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To the kitchen right this instance kitten
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 06:49 PM
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If women are entitled to want a good partner, then you are out of your damn mind to even ask about chad treatment
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 06:47 PM
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Damn men ARE parasites
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 06:44 PM
11

Comparing household labour and childbearing to being nice. A shitty deal if you ask me
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 06:02 PM
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They don't appreciate none of that. That's the default anyway - the wife appliance should have all those features built-in
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 05:32 PM
4

No you move on. Nobody asked. I (question for women) was asked
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 02:52 PM
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Who are you yelling at? I've never done this and I'm not planning to, same as tons of other women. I don't judge, it's not morally wrong, but it can be dangerous. I prefer to build intimacy and ensure my own safety "We've just met" is a perfectly good reason not to sleep with someone. The upvotes should likely indicate people tend to agree
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 01:25 PM
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It means I've just fucking met you. Jesus
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 09:35 PM
1

Yeah, if your wife won't have sex with you it's obviously less than ideal. But female virginity is a touch complex thing to compare it to. There's societal factors, expectations, religion, etc No woman has ever said "I want my future husband's wallet to stay pure for our marriage." There's just nothing quite like that for men, not even male virginity But expecting the virgin you married to magically transform into a pornstar once she's said the vows is definitely naive
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 03:58 PM
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I don't know about all that. But the concept of financial celibacy should imply a man will eventually start spending money on his wife? And I just gotta laugh. There is no way the man doesn't get used to not doing that. If you don't get those flowers and a date during the courting stage, you're never getting those flowers and a date girl! Men are free to be "financially celibate" but women should at least be aware what it means, and it's not what the name implies
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 07:48 AM
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I love that women worldwide stopped birthing children
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 05:31 AM
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Doing household chores is labour that should be valued but it doesn't necessarily say much about how much someone loves you and sees you as special. That's why I was confused. That's subjective. I am talking about effort. This is effort
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 09:30 PM
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You sir are having an episode
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 09:29 PM
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Because you think no effort from men = traditionally expected effort from women Because women's labour is not valued, it's priced at 0$ and expected for nothing in return. We know
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 08:43 PM
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Believe it or not but in real life compatible people sometimes do fall in love and enjoy each other's company. Sad for you though
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 08:37 PM
1

Nothing at all expert on internet strangers
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 04:58 PM
2

You're so edgy and real
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 04:51 PM
1

Nobody's talking about soulmates
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 04:42 PM
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Men are much more likely to be slobs then
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 04:41 PM
3

Okay I see. Talk to the wall strategy
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 04:23 PM
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You never know. According to the poster, that's not the case. Neither of us know them, so I see no use guessing. Or are you saying the otherwise never ever happens?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 04:16 PM
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I would argue that they're expected to take care of the house and children just the same
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 03:04 PM
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No, because he married his "dream girl" instead of settling for one of those women and treating them accordingly. You know, like a man would
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 02:13 PM
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That's very true because men will date or even marry you because you're eh, good enough They'll just treat you with indifference. They won't put in any effort. They're very capable, just not for you. They'll pay for e-hoes but won't spare 10$ for flowers
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 02:11 PM
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What the hell are you talking about? God forbid you treat the woman that gives a crap about you well instead of your little bitter tricks and games?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 08:26 PM
1

I'm not understanding what you're trying to say
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 04:28 PM
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Works for what? Because you don't need red pill to enter a long term relationship with a woman that genuinely loves you But I promise that if you manage to do that, all the red pill habits you've undoubtedly acquired will make her hate you
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 04:19 PM
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I'm explaining why people "parrot about how men should fix it with other men". Not because women can't provide what men can - companionship, friendship - but because they're the scapegoat
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 12:09 PM
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It's because it's BLAMED exclusively on women. But the solution CAN be solved internally. You just don't want to do that, but that's on you
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 11:57 AM
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To be fair, when I do ask, it turns out I have no clue what men (generic) actually want either
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 08:31 PM
2

A hyperbole. So do we live in a society or only when it first you?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 08:14 PM
2

And you have agency to become a billionaire, what's stopping you. Good luck!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 05:24 PM
3

It is as gay as it's ever been! I've never said it's not improving. It's significantly improved within the last 20 years alone, in fact. There's still very much homophobic families, bosses, colleagues and the works
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 02:25 PM
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There's a significant enough number of religious families in pretty much any westernized country that I can think of. Thoughts?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 02:16 PM
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I stress not once but twice that it's a selfish evil act and here comes you to still fight me on this
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 12:32 PM
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While the wife is certainly a victim of the gay husband, without a doubt, the gay husband is usually a victim of homophobia. It's a vicious cycle of events. But you can't be surprised that in a society that belittles and discriminates against gay people, some will act in self-preservation Yes, it's still very selfish. But there's no need for beards if homophobia doesn't exist
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 11:15 AM
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I absolutely tell the men off. Caused a few arguments (it made them feel bad😓). But I also can't bear to just stand by and let the women in my family ovework themselves even more just to prove a point And yes, they are (or were, for the older ladies) all employed
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 08:09 PM
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I'd go for it. Have a man cook, clean, and raise the kids so I can put my feet up when I'm back from work? All for the reasonably cheap price of keeping him fed and providing a roof over his head? That's a bargain But I don't think I'd be able to utilise weaponized incompetence quite like men do. I'd feel bad pretending I don't know how to properly put away the leftovers
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 07:53 PM
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Some people here have never been loved and it shows
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 08:46 PM
1

Are you unable to focus on the actual point being made or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 11:53 PM
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Im the wrong one to put that argument to No you're not. Fine, you're an exception to the rule, have it your way. The general tendency is still that women do more household labour than men, and most of them work shifts too Even my dating partners now, I will go all out on those days. If your partner doesn't step up, and you stay, that's your choice. Yes and? What are we talking about here? Because I thought I am talking about men damaging what could be good relationships influenced by redpill? I …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 10:41 PM
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And if he jumps to those responses, that's where I say it begins to enter extreme territory. It was telling but unfortunately not as extreme as you seem to think. Guys on here seem to think most women are hand-fed peaches and cream by simps. You wouldn't believe what perfectly average non-chad men get away with in relationships Most men would not go way out of their way. Like... when have men liked women that much to begin with, really? A generation ago, they were perfectly happy to let their (e…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 09:33 PM
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And they get angry when told too!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 07:29 PM
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Were other things at play? Not really, not like you're implying. Was it a matter of character? Partially, sure But it was also clearly inspired by the manosphere. Every now and then he will complain that women use dates to get free food and all, all the buzzwords Except I was his girlfriend not just some date, we were together long-term at that point, and I loved him. Where'd it get him? He made me cry and caused an argument, of course - but I also won't forget it and make sure he knows. Best be…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 05:23 PM
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I'm a woman. That tends to be generally annoying to them
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 04:35 PM
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The behaviors posted aren't limited to any pill dynamic. It is bad behavior regardless. Some behaviours very much can be inspired by and even stem from red pill. They're usually accompanied by very specific internet lingo My ideals were built off personal experiences, watching friends relationships over the years and from my own expectations in a relationship and were formed way before any of this pill nonsense or mansosphere. Ok? Not about you then? Every time a disagreement happens in a relati…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 04:32 PM
6

Oh and you sound delightful
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 04:23 PM
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Yes to all this. I've been having this thought for a long time My boyfriend isn't exactly a red-piller but you can tell he's been around online and sympathises with certain beliefs I love that guy, for his personality (not that particular aspect of it though) and looks, I've stayed through some financial insecurities. I've never given him cause to doubt me These behaviours you're talking about have only ever made me sad, angry, and caused arguments. It's not even hard to pinpoint where they're c…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 03:39 PM
1

Girl, whatever. You're making red pillers sound like a high-discipline ancient order of self-improvement, entirely separate from their black pill brethren. But lots of you just whine online and it's the same fucking difference
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 05:39 PM
1

What we're not gonna do is pretend broadly defined red-pill sympathisers don't cry and beg for ass every single day
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 04:33 PM
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And women have incentives to give ass to fugly broke men? Think twice before demanding they give up THEIR privilege. Thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 04:20 PM
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They subconsciously consider it natural to make demands of women and that women should do as told ¯_(ツ)_/¯
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 03:31 PM
-2

It's actually funny though - I've never seen a plea to stop hogging the women. Imagine that "I know you get lucky a lot, but spare some for me, or I'll start acting extremely hateful and write 150 think-pieces about the moral failures of all Chads"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 01:46 PM
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That's what asking bad faith questions gets you. What exactly are you expecting to hear? why are women attracted to abusive men Talk about loaded! Because we love to get abused. Giggles. They are so hot, unlike those nice guys that want to kiss our feet and brush our hair. Sex with chad, alpha fuck, sex, casual sex with chad and not you
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 02:20 AM
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You don't have to buy it. It's an objective fact that "generic you" is a common structure in colloquial English. Are you a native speaker?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 03:36 PM
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It is a part of English grammar. I really don't know what to tell you
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 03:07 PM
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It's a "generic you". Not personal
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 04:46 AM
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Oh they HATE the script flipped
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 04:07 PM
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Yeah. An identity outside of being a bangmaid
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 11:18 AM
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"The divorce came out of nowhere!"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 05:28 AM
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OP, don't listen to them. Like, actually. Just look up how few women can do with "normal" piv by itself. The truth is that we usually need more (stimulation AND time-wise), and she's telling you what it is. Don't let it ruin a good thing, it IS normal
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 05:15 AM
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Sure, but most men can finish just from your regular old piv. Most women can't. You insist that we should be able to because of your ego, and that's how we get the orgasm gap And yeah, for most women it doesn't merely take "a bigger thing" but for her it does. She's actually being honest instead of faking it, as many of us have to
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 05:11 AM
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God forbid you make a woman finish
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 09:41 PM
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Oh no your fiance wants you to do her with a toy? Steak too juicy?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 09:11 PM
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Getting closer to fetuses atp
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 08:20 PM
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Address the man's unilateral choice to nut and we'll talk
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 04:23 PM
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Did you miss the fact that the vast majority of states still allow it? My country doesn't. I could probably travel abroad - which brings me to... If you can't afford to travel a few states over, then you definitely can't afford a kid. I can't afford the kid but I'm supposed to have it? And alone? Thanks I would assume these men were vetted carefully before choosing to have a whole ass kid with them. Take some accountability for who you choose to be the father of your children. You're acting like…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 03:52 PM
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Did you miss the part about abortion bans? Or fathers leaving past the abortionable point - or after the child is born
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 03:40 PM
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Ah yes, what we've already known - women are entirely to blame for men's actions. Thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 03:21 PM
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Wow, that's a lot! Men should take accountability for being shitty husbands if women divorce them at this rate
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 03:10 PM
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Aside from the fact that many single mothers would have needed the gift of prophecy to avoid that fate And that abortions are getting cut-off (and fully are where I'm from) (Is this what you're arguing for btw? That they should abort them all? But don't men say this is already not taking accountability for spreading their legs?) And that it's male orgasms that lead to babies Nothing will change the fact that men abandon their born children and then get red-faced angry at women, no matter how you…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 02:43 PM
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Men avoid accountability first by leaving and thus CREATING single moms and then once again by refusing to take accountability for what they've done and getting mad at women who stayed Like babies
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 02:20 PM
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If you believe there is nothing denigrating or humiliating about doing OF, then why don’t you do it? There isn't anything morally wrong about providing OF services, in my opinion. However, there are many things that are denigrating and humiliating about it, and they stem from social stigma We can talk what-ifs and what not, but it very much is the case If you were worried about losing your job or friends then if you had a magic guarantee that wouldn’t happen, would it make you consider it? I'm j…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 01:44 PM
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Why do you think men should treat you as if you are the most attractive woman on the planet just because he married you? Yeah, why the fuck would he? It's only the ultimate form of commitment, there's supposedly love there, you're literally creating a family unit But I guess there are women on instagram that are hotter, a thumb's swipe away. Subpar treatment it is
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 03:09 PM
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With a few major differences - to build a long-term relationship it's advised you don't sleep with the guy on the first date because it makes him see you as an easy lay And, you will be sleeping with him eventually anyway. 50/50 is usually forever
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 07:47 AM
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Look, as long as you're consistent. My point is many men aren't
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 07:17 PM
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Yes, I know that once men find a woman that genuinely likes them, they'll realise they won't have to court her like they did women before her (who didn't like them as much). And?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 06:54 PM
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But is it wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 03:07 PM
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What you end up with is "I will treat a woman who genuinely likes me worse". And they know that
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 02:51 PM
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Of course women on here will say dinners and flowers and other things usually associated with courting don't matter to them one bit - and it could very well be true! But most women would be happy to be treated to nicely by their men, I think. And there's nothing much wrong with that imo
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 09:59 AM
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You're being boo'ed but you're largely correct But it's not just women involved in this weird scheme. A man will very likely pay for a woman he really wants, romance her a little. We hear it time and time again, so it's hard not to feel a sting when he doesn't at least offer Men know what women want. So yeah it is a status signal to women, and men, and children, and your mama, that you're just not worth it
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 06:19 AM
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That is true yeah
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 05:31 PM
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Slut
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 04:51 PM
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Well all the best to you
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 02:51 PM
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That's one thing. But nobody deserves to be treated like that. I mean, obviously
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 02:48 PM
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Dude, damn. Well, I don't agree with all that
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 02:42 PM
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Actually... yeah I can see that
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 02:32 PM
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Why weren't you simply worthwhile enough for your girlfriend to not cheat on you?🤨
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 02:32 PM
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Okay but have you seen OF statistics
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 02:20 PM
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Just look at how many (often taken) men will buy sexual content, but refuse to part with 15$ to buy a real girl some flowers
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 02:01 PM
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Disgust of (women having) sex (with men other than me!)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 11:37 AM
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It's not always down to "standards", is what I mean. Sometimes it actually is just hypocrisy
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 11:27 AM
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Why do men want virgins so bad? Do you associate them with certain traits of character? Positive traits? If they're so positive and you don't have them, then what does that say about you?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 11:21 AM
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Courting after sex: lots of guys like it when they’re hugged from behind by someone wearing a hoodie That's very specific
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 09:57 AM
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It means a lot, unfortunately, especially if you spare actual resources (time, money, effort) on them that you won't on your woman
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 08:28 AM
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A man should ask the same question but directed at women. I would but can't
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 01:05 PM
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Men rarely if ever use the word “settled”. I hear that much more from women. Men find many women attractive and it’s the first bar. In my experience - when men settle - they may not say it, but they will mass follow baddies on instagram, eye hotter women in public, and pay for OF subscriptions to a woman that's actually their type - but they won't spare a dime for grocery store flowers because they resent you for being unnatractive to them
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 05:59 AM
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They've seen their fathers and grandfathers receive domestic labour, and they themselves have tasted casual sex and 50/50 And they simply want both
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 07:35 AM
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👏👏👏
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 07:32 AM
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And you feel entitled to an autonomous human being's attention because...?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 10:59 PM
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To the kitchen. Right this instant kitten
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 09:38 PM
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How about men mind their own business?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 09:34 PM
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I just want the same opportunities and that my grandfathers had What opportunities did your grandfathers have that you don't?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 09:32 PM
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High risk, high reward
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 07:55 AM
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I don't think it's necessarily a matter of abusive mentality, or even character. It's socialization I won't pretend it's not improving though. Then again, so is women's active participation in courting and financial contribution down the line
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 07:52 AM
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I'll tell you why women would usually want at least a bit of romance, full honesty. This is a reply I've just received, responding to me saying that most men don't do romance anyway: because most men settle and do not get the woman they find attractive in their life. so what romance? It's called vetting, to make sure you're not binding yourself to someone who doesn't actually like you at all. Men seem to like romance just fine for the right woman, they just don't usually want to admit it
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 07:46 AM
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And here it is. I love and hate when men admit it
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 07:29 AM
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What good is "wanting" kids if you still don't take care of them equally? Because this is what happens a lot of the time
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 07:28 AM
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It can be a race to the top, if both parties put in sufficient effort - and not just during the courting stage
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 07:24 AM
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So what's all this snotty whining for?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 07:17 AM
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You’re receiving benefits before having to commit to having children anyway, it’s not like every guy who is romantic is expecting all of those things eithe Because ripping a new one for a baby you will have to be the primary parent for (while holding down a job, mind you) is a much more risky investment than what, paying for dinner twice and clenching your ass about it for the rest of the relationship It can’t be fun being that greedy, at some point it must hurt because reality can’t possibly fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 07:16 AM
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I hate breaking it to you - most men aren't doing romance either
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 07:09 AM
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At least the man gets to keep an unripped penis, and doesn't get his career mother-penalitified It's actually sick that for all your demands, and all the "consequences" women suffer, you can't even do a little romance without whining
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 07:08 AM
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No problem! Now to the kitchen jolly fellow
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 06:54 AM
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Men also produce children and live at their homes
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 06:54 AM
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I'm adding to it. It's context-less
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 06:52 AM
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We want all the romance we can get for the brief period of time before the man decides it's time you cook clean and birth his kids while holding down a full time job🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 06:49 AM
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Shoot
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 05:11 AM
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Stop being hysterical
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 09:04 PM
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A man that is much better looking like an 8 or 9 dating a 4 or 5 woman That barely ever happens, be so for real
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 08:41 PM
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There is a non-zero chance that one day you will be loved. Since I'm not a bitch, I hope you get to experience it eventually
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 05:08 PM
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I'll cut in - it's perfectly fine, thank you My boyfriend was also vulnerable with me, given the unemployment thing and some health anxieties. I don't know what else to tell you but to touch grass Men say they're not allowed to cry but they're also not allowed to do a great many number of things. Not stopping them though
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 04:05 PM
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You people want to be miserable so bad
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 01:47 PM
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Well, he was no incel. I don't know if he spelunked in pussy but he was no incel. Some of his friends seem to have more game, some significantly less. Now what?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 12:04 PM
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What nature? Come on don't be so vague
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 12:03 PM
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How would getting into a relationship with a woman that genuinely loves him for who he is reinforce redpill ideas? Is what I don't get
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 11:10 AM
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A woman admitted her husband doesn't cook nor normally shop for groceries don't be a drama queen he's more than fine
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 10:48 AM
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Can women stop using the incel term incorrectly? Incel means involuntarily celibate. Of course a guy that has a fucking girlfriend is not an incel. I meant that he wasn't an incel before he met me either
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 05:47 AM
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Right. Looks are a certain treshold, but most people wouldn't date someone just because they're attracted to them. I know I found my bf instantly attractive but I also loved his personality. We vibed. I wouldn't entertain the relationship if that wasn't the case
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 10:56 PM
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Assuming he was ever staying in the damn kitchen. He doesn't even know what ingredients he's scarfing down
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 10:50 PM
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And then he left the kitchen to have the dinner made for him
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 10:26 PM
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I say the man who doesn't have a clue what's happening in his own kitchen is a MASSIVE MANCHILD no matter what anyone says
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 09:37 PM
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Who knows. I know I don't like it. But aside from that, going pretty strong🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 09:10 PM
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Maybe I should have specified "a happy relationship". Obviously if they're not happy with the woman they're dating, well... It would only reinforce their worldview
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 09:03 PM
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Well, my boyfriend is in a relationship and yet. I know he's not the only one. What gives?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 08:58 PM
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So close to getting it
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 08:56 PM
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Congrats! You're like an average woman
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 06:26 PM
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Ah yes, the average conversation with a man on PPD. They call you dumb and stupid and call it a day - another intellectual victory yet
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 01:30 PM
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No, you And all the men crying about being nagged as they leave the kitchen to have dinner cooked for them
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 12:00 PM
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30 year olds? Many would be. 25 year olds? Not many would be I met my boyfriend when I was 26 and he was 31. He was very surprised to find out he was the oldest age I would go for at the time The youngest he said he would go for is 21😂 What a way to feel like a hag, being whole 5 years younger than him. Men - go figure🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 09:58 AM
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She admitted to nagging a useless man
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 06:41 AM
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He's not getting abused, he's getting dinner cooked for
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 09:43 PM
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Yes because you think being exploited for sex, reproduction and labour by your very much peasant husband due to being economically and socially dependent on him... is not that serious. We have nothing to talk about
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 03:03 PM
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They'll call it a cock carousel lol, they hate everything women do because they hate women and don't consider us real people. The sheer audacity to expect sexual loyalty from a grown human being on the basis of what? On the basis of nothing
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 01:03 PM
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Because they don't want to cater. Duh. They want to be catered to. And because their priority is sex, they prioritise sexual exclusivity. Best if provided with no effort whatsoever on their part Men for real think we can't see right through their little no-label games
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 12:56 PM
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I matched the tone but it's not just baseless snark Funny how men lose their shit when they have to give anything from themselves at all. Be her boyfriend or know your place in her roster
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 10:04 PM
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They never do they just call you dumb and stupid and call it a day
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 08:38 PM
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This seems like a long winded attempt to have a girlfriend without being a boyfriend
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 04:32 PM
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I didn’t know how to gracefully extract myself from the conversation without coming across like I have some kind of split personality, so I just mumbled something like, "Yeah. I guess we’ll make do with this. I’m going to start dinner.” He seemed relieved it was over and he left the kitchen. manchild
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 10:51 AM
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Okay and women were predominantly raped at war, like veeery predominantly. But also during peacetime🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 03:14 PM
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Newsflash: women also worked in terrible conditions. And died at war I can't take modern feminist nonsense seriously. You don't have to take women's historical suffering and lack of agency through enforced dependence on their husbands seriously. Doesn't change the fact that it happened
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 10:34 AM
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Men didn't suffer the sexual, reproductive, domestic, and financial abuse from their wives that women did from their husbands And no, men and women of the same class didn't have equal chances to climb the social hierarchy to the best of their limited abilities
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 09:01 AM
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Because women were famously unharmed by war. Not to mention the other, everyday, things like... a lifetime of sexual abuse, lack of access to education compared to men of similar status... Etc The history of working class women (and higher class women but to a lesser extent) in Eastern Europe is bleak. Yes, generally much bleaker compered to men. I am Eastern European too
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 07:38 AM
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I wouldn't really know as I don't hook-up with randos, nor do I have any desire to (probably an answer in itself) It's probably a thing though. Even if not quite as good as being with someone you have actual feelings for
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 04:36 AM
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the narrative of women’s millennia of oppression is not accurate Second best voted comment as I'm writing this. Women should never, ever be an ounce sympathetic to men's issues (what issues btw)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 05:44 PM
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I'm lucky enough to be bisexual. Women that liked me usually treated me solid, which I think makes sense, but maybe that's just me
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 10:48 PM
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Men get tired of and cheat on their beautiful girlfriends all the time, that's true. But still, at least they get a taste of being loved like that, you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 10:37 PM
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Actually it’s funny because in my experience the more attractive women tend to have better personalities and less bitter so equally I do more for them as well Just as good looking men can get by with the bare minimum so can good looking women because it’s a competition to get their attention from line up or constant suitors So are they much nicer, or do they act like they can get away with shit? Which is it? Maybe it's just that you give them more slack?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 10:33 PM
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Thank you for your answer then
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 10:09 PM
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Once you're in a relationship, your actions/behaviors will drive how your man treats you versus just your looks Really? I'm being so anecdotal but it feels like once they get used to treating you at a certain standard, usually dictated by that initial courting phase, the effort can only go lower
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 10:04 PM
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A lot of guys complain that the women they want to date will make them jump through hoops that Chad never had to because he’s hot, and they consider that unfair I was never talking about that though. You're the one talking about it And yes, it is fair to feel lesser than when you know your partner doesn't treat you the same they did their exes. I don't think that's a blackpill relevation at all Are you confirming what I'm thinking then? It is the looks?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 10:01 PM
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I mean, I don't know. How would I even ask that And how come it's the same, I'm not following It's still expecting a stranger who wants nothing to do with you romantically to fuck and date you vs wanting to be treated nicely by a person who supposedly loves you
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 09:38 PM
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I don't know if it's the same. I think it's a huge difference who you're receiving this treatment from Case one, a stranger. Case two, your significant other
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 09:31 PM
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Fair
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 09:28 PM
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