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DebatePuzzleheadedGrab8375/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 03:38 AM
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DiscussionPuzzleheadedGrab8375/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 11:20 PM
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DebatePuzzleheadedGrab8375/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 06:19 PM
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You should inform the guys you’re going with that you’ll bring a gun. I’d honestly have to much saftey concerns going on a date with an armed stranger. So if you don’t want men to trick you into dangerous situations, please also don’t do this vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 09:44 AM
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When we take those three categories, women actually score a point in who the most famous human in this discipline is. I’d say it’s pretty inarguably: Leonardo DaVinci William Shakespeare Greta Thunberg
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 12:35 PM
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Of course is sex not a need. But the title of your thread is pretty wrong nevertheless. Status among men comes with smt like cars or having the biggest box of WH40K figures. For some it’s muscles, but even they are more into each other, than who has sex. So no, men do not wanna have sex to “statusmax”.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 12:26 PM
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So it doesn’t mean anything about his body, except when it means something about his body? Well played.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 12:16 PM
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Yeah well, “tax payers” is the optimistic take. Soldiers would be the pessimistic one. They can be a little roughed up. This opens up a bunch of very dystopian possibilities. Human breeding would probably be inevitable in such a situation. Rn we only have a little bit of natural evolution. Cause no one makes a plan who procreates with whom. But if you just put an egg cell and a bit of sperm in an incubator, you’re inclined to optimise for certain outcomes. I think it will be hard to stop this te…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 01:00 PM
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If the children are there, someone has to take care of them. In other words, if governments decide to pay women to give them their eggs and men to give them their sperm, and then go ahead an buy a bunch of artificial wombs to produce some future tax payers, theres really not much you or i can do about it. And sure this might sound like a stupid brain fart from our perspective rn. But if the technology exists and nations start to collapse because of demographics, we might talk again.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 12:34 PM
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Well i can’t be sure of course. I’d just expect it to be this way. Mainly because i myself, as an egalitarian, are quite skeptical if artificial wombs are a good idea. But i am supportive of taking other measures to up birth rates. And i honestly think many feminists are as well. Involving men more in childcare is definitely a reasonable approach. The thing is, the framing around this topic became a bit weird. I think that is the case because people like Musk poisened the discourse and give thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 12:27 PM
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Artifical wombs are probably only a few decades away from now. China is already testing it. It’s gonna be an interesting discussion then. I guess feminists will strongly oppose artificial wombs and any natural measures to raise birth rates. So they might end up being perceived as a death cult then.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 11:52 AM
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To show that the initial statement that “you cannot force other people to change” is questionable. First of all we’d have to define “to force”. Are we strictly talking physical coercion? Or is strongly advocating for something also “forcing others”? If we’re strictly talking physical coercion, i am with the other commenter, that one cannot do that. But i don’t see how women are being physically coerced to approach, lower their standards, give chances, reject top tier guys and pay on dates. So fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 11:42 AM
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Is it a “really weak tactic” as well to proclaim the destruction of the patriarchy as your goal? I mean according to you, one cannot force others to change, right? I am very curious if you hold feminists to those standards as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 11:21 AM
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So if no one should ask women to settle, does that mean no one fulfils womens looks and status expectations?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 03:14 PM
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Yeah. We’re both free. And i don’t wanna change that. Still i am not fond of what lies ahead in gender questions. Ostracising a big chunk of men from having sexual partnerships, might very well radicalise them. We already see the beginning of that. This could very well ramp up, if we more strongly embrace the natural hypergamy of women. And sure we can all put them into prison. But if we put like 20% (in this hypothetical scenario 20% of men are sex offenders) of men into prison there will be so…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 09:31 PM
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What you say there has a lot of implications i think are really important. So, in animals, tons of males are left unfucked and mateless and die off. Never having spread their DNA women are now back in the biological position of being the choosers and selectors of mates in a way we haven't really had in society but it is more natural Do we wanna go back to the natural state? Because the natural state is quite something. In the natural state the males who aren’t chosen by females to pass on their …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 09:06 PM
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Yeah i fully agree. But with the important addition, that not only looks can lead to genuine desire. But there are too many men who think if they somehow woo a woman enough, she will be attracted to them. And this is a pathetic approach tbh. But it can be hard to accept that it might take a while to find someone you are attracted to and who’s genuinely attracted to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 01:19 PM
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I mean they see all the profiles of the women who just lazily pose in the same bikini three different times. I guess they think just uploading some whatever pics will do the trick.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 01:53 AM
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Yeah nobody could ever see a trend that women tend to date older men. Do you hear yourself talking?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 01:47 AM
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Actually, young people are far more likely to have their relationships status change drastically overnight. We are talking about averages here. Sure Kevins relationship status might change over night, but there are tens of millions of other young Americans. And they have behavioural patterns when it comes to relationship. Sure if we take snapshots the values might be a little bit different each time. But they wont change drastically in a short period of time. And 2 years is not that much on a so…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 01:45 AM
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If you’re so good in critical thinking you might also understand, that the age composition of relationships of all young people also wont drastically change over night. Telling me my point is invalid because the single rates could be different now is like telling me i would lie when i tell you the temperature, cause i looked at the thermometer 5 minutes ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 01:37 AM
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No, first of all we got a nominal gap of 29 percentage points here, not 50. Someone who is capable of “basic math” should be able to validate that Furthermore, part of the nominal gap is actually explained due to demographics. There are a bit more young men in the US than young women. But this explains only a fraction of the nominal gap. The remaining lion share of the gap can only be explained through age gap relationships. So i’d suggest about 20 to 25 percent of all women aged 18-29 date men …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 01:05 AM
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I want you to think about what you wrote. If 63 percent of women aren’t single then who are they together with if it’s not men? Each other?! Excellent question. The answer is with men older than 29.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 12:55 AM
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Is it impossible to fathom that those metrics change second by second? And? Can you provide a more recent snapshot than 2024? Thought so. Do you realize that some people would consider themselves not single but not in a relationship either? Well what i do realise is, that those surveys not simply ask “are you single?”. They ask several questions from wich they construct the relationship status of a person.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 12:52 AM
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Not a red piller, but i can easily provide you with data from 2024 that shows that 34% of women aged 18-29 are single and 63% of men in the same age bracket. There is definitely contemporary data wich supports red pill argumentations.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 12:29 AM
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You get most of the stuff terribly wrong here. And you assume that men are overall more capable than women, which is quite misogynistic. The thing is i also see at least a slight trend, that women in relationships tend to outsource certain decisions and tasks to men. Oftentimes this are tasks which require strict outcome driven thinking. But men tend to outsource a lot of tasks too in relationships. The best example is interpersonal care and decision making. And to some extend i think this is he…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 01:39 PM
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Damn… Yeah i’ve just been here for six months or so. And even seven years ago every single post was “men only want sex, no relationships”?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 07:15 PM
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What is love?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 03:21 PM
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There are rules in place to prevent it, but the moderation doesn’t have any fucks left to give it seems. The rules regarding debate threads state, that you must demonstrate a willingness to change your mind. I see that this rule might be hard to enforce, since especially if someone posts for the first time, it can be hard to assess the persons willingness to change their mind. But making 69 posts which are basically the same rant over and over again, demonstrates pretty effectively, that one has…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 01:12 PM
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If i remember correctly at some point you even argued yourself that love is basically just neurotransmitters doing their thing. And considering this, this post makes not much sense. Of course people get a massive dopamine boost through sex. That is really no news. So yeah, most people basically feel “love” while having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 01:05 PM
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just be yourself This is a bit of a euphemism yes. What it actually means is “figure out who you are”. But people don’t wanna tell other people that, so they say “just be yourself”. “Just be yourself” seems a bit like body positivity for your character. Which isn’t necessarily bad, but body positivity can be an easy excuse for not putting in the effort to change something - which would benefit oneself, so one should do it. But if you go with “figure out who you are” it’s much clearer what one sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 09:33 AM
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Sure the older you get the less significant becomes womens “dating advantage” and at some point it becomes a disadvantage. The statement that men are invisible to women only applies to young people and of course even in this case it’s a bit hyperbolic. The struggles feel roughly equal for both sides For young people this can be quite easily dismissed by looking at actual data. No need to go with your feeling, when we can just look up if there’s a significant disparity in the single- rates betwee…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 09:17 AM
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would give me a motive for violence and for a fight Talking about being pathetic… she probably has done that in the past as well and she would have probably slept with anyone else who decided to cold approach her Oh i think i see a pattern here. Is the reason you would you get in a fight with men who approach female family members of yours because you want to prevent them from becoming “sluts”? Everyone who's honest with themselves will admit that the only reason why there is an exchange of word…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 08:39 AM
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Do you think this wolf pack terminology is warranted when you are describing just a considerate human being? Would this dude who takes a back seat and provides assistance, cares for other, etc call himself the alpha?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 01:34 PM
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Making dudes wait half a year is also about your self esteem. So why are you so selfish?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 01:29 PM
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Yeah well you’re pink pilled so probably not a feminist. You don’t go around all day long and tell men they shouldn’t be masculine right? So you can go ahead and date masculine men without being hypocritical.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 01:18 PM
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So what is actually your proposed solution to this problem? Should people just not hook up at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 02:12 PM
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Sure, because all male relatives sit in a circle and wait for their one and only women to come home from her hike. You’d never center women in an overly dramatic way.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 01:59 PM
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The men vs bear debate really highlighted the selfishness and entitlement of young men too Hell nah, people got triggered by a rage bait? That truly never happened before and wont ever happen again. Saying men make everything about themselves is kinda valid. Many men do. But women do as well. Feminism claims to be concerned about all gender equality problems, yet focus solely on how men should change to accommodate gender equality. It is deeply disingenuous to say men would only care about thems…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 01:54 PM
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It is not true that the majority of younger people opts out of relationships. The majority of young women is in a relationship and the majority of young single men isn’t opting out, but is having not much of a choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 12:13 AM
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Ok, let’s accept the claim that all men just want sex and hate relationships. Why are so many women putting up with this? The majority of people have relationships. Are all the women just dumb, so they don’t get that they’re just being abused? If all men are that way, why are women not just having relationships only with each other? Aren’t you claiming also all the time that platonic friendships are the exact same thing as a romantic relationship without physical contact? Why do women then not d…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 07:44 PM
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Here we go again… Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 06:46 PM
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Pretty dumb to not just do it then, mh?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 12:45 PM
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Sure there are some limitations for the interpretations of the adjusted effect. Part time work is a pretty robust example, but for e.g. profession coding can be a bit misleading. For example nurses don’t earn that much which is also true for male nurses. But it could be argued that part of the reason why nurses are paid relatively little is because it is a profession where many women work. And the economists who make such studies are aware of those pitfalls. Ultimately those models are of course…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 07:27 PM
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The exact how is difficult to explain if you aren’t well versed in statistics. It took me a year to grasp regression models, so i can’t explain a particularly complex regression model to you in a Reddit post. The basic idea is to observe all other factors that influence wages (besides gender discrimination) and check if part of the nominal gender wage disparity is explained due to them. For example women work more often part time than men. Are people who are working part time maybe getting less …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 06:50 PM
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So “normal” peoples relationships are really just two people who have wildly different views and opinions on life and society, but just say or don’t say stuff to be liked? This sounds pathetic to me ngl. I had two such relationships. And after the second one, i promised myself that i don’t gonna waste my time like that again. Not having a relationship is better than having a relationship with some random person you happen to find pretty in my eyes. But sure, many people might disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 06:18 PM
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and autistic guys just need to turn their inner Spock off This made chuckle… You’re probably right that dating is much easier that way. But i don’t think i can do that. This would mean i’d have to change my whole personality to have a relationship. So i just have to hope i find another Vulcan i guess. Yeah maybe it is valid dating advice to just don’t argue about anything, but i think it’s also important to keep in mind that if you make that conscious choice now, you can’t really complain later.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 05:59 PM
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Ok, so when a men tells a woman on a date, that 20% of men get 80% of women, they shouldn’t argue and debate every grievance and pet- peeve? And just move on? Why are people even talking to each other when what they say is of no concern? Could people not just schedule to fuck, if what the other person says should be disregarded anyways?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 05:47 PM
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I want you to ask yourself a simple question: Would you have responded the same way if i would have said one should point out that “20% of men get 80% of women” is wrong, instead of pointing out that gendered labor market discrimination leads to a about 5% wage disparity and not 20%? Would pointing that out, would make someone socially awkward as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 05:39 PM
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Ie, he is anti choice and I am pro choice Yeah no… That would be a no go in a romantic relationship for me. I can’t be with someone on a romantic level if we have such huge ideological disparities. Not for a long term relationship. I would “well actually🤓” much too often.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 05:24 PM
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Well i’d reply to your question “oh so there’s still a wage gap?” with “yes, this is the isolated effect which can only be explained due to gendered labor market discrimination”. I never said that this effect is insignificant. And tbf quite some feminists also know that the adjusted effect is the one which represents labor market discrimination. But there is a shocking amount of feminists who doesn’t understand that and doesn’t even try to understand it. So i actually got a bit triggered just by…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 05:14 PM
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If I say I caught a fish that was a foot long are you going to come over and correct me and say it’s only 10 inches? I guess i kinda am the guy who does that yes. And i get that it can be seen as annoying. In the fish case it’s just pedantic and honestly unnecessary. So i try to avoid doing it in such situations (and not always succeed). But when it’s about a political/societal problem, i generally don’t hold back and think that is the right thing to do. If someone speaks about those topics one …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 05:00 PM
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I get your point. Especially in a dating context one should not be overly combatative about everything. That is definitely a valid statement. I just think the framing of this paragraph is not helpful: I think people say this mostly to neurotic men who say shit like “women are SO SENSITIVE, you can’t even tell them the wage gap is a myth without them spazing out!” Because a “normal man” would know you shouldn’t be trying to argue and denigrate someone if you realistically want them to like you or…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 04:08 PM
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It is extremely important to me to be able to call someone delusional when the person is being delusional, yes. But that is a gender neutral thing for me. You explicitly mentioned the GPG tho and this is a topic where quite some misinformation is being spread by some feminists. I happen to know quite a bit about the GPG, since i wrote by bachelor thesis about it. So i actually understand what “statistically adjusted” means and that it matter’s. And the remaining round about 5%, matter as well. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 03:15 PM
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Because a “normal man” would know you shouldn’t be trying to argue and denigrate someone if you realistically want them to like you or date you Do i get this right: When a women states that the gender pay gap is 20% i shouldn’t point out that the statistically adjusted gender pay gap is only about 5%, even tho that is the objective reality, because this lessens the probability of the woman liking me? So being normal means you let other people deny reality in order to be liked? I don’t know if i …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 02:50 PM
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Only having sex with a men is considered to be bad. And many women support this narrative as well. Or how else do you explain that many women don’t wanna date bisexual men, yet most men don’t have a problem dating bisexual women?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 01:55 PM
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Wont happen. And your assessment that only jealousy matters here is also quite wrong from my view. Many women also support the narrative, that sex with men is devaluing. A good example is that many women don’t wanna date bisexual men, yet few men have a problem dating bisexual women. Many women see men who have sex with other men as lesser or devalued if you will so. So we see, not just men push the narrative that having sex with men is devaluing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 01:52 PM
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the young woman makes it seem like Fiona’s potential is held back by settling for an ugly ogre as she puts it plainly she had generational wealth, a castle and a pet dragon but instead she got baby trapped by a sub 5 ogre who lives in a swamp This is the funniest shit i’ve read in a while.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 03:43 PM
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I tend to agree on that one. But realistically, this was some 5000 years ago, when the patriarchy was established. So i think it’s unwise so argue over who started what and rather put more thought into how to stop it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 10:03 AM
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Yeah i can imagine that if one genuinely believes in effective- altruism cases like Sam Bankman- Fried and Sam Altman are pretty though to watch. And overall i think people who genuinely believe in effective- altruism do something good. But from my view it’s not the optimal approach for three main reasons: The narrative is very easy to abuse as we discussed already I think the “better you get” at effective- altruism (basically just higher income), the higher the chances get, to become “corrupted…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 09:39 AM
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Is this the twin sister of Ben Shapiro?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 08:45 AM
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The rationalist/effective altruism community is your connection to Zizians and tech fascists like Peter Thiel. I think you are mixing some stuff up there. I am myself quite critical of effective altruism. But to say it’s some weird cult connected to Peter Thiel and his yapping about the Anti Christ, is a bit far fetched. Effective- Altruism is known for scammers like Sam- Bankman- Fried and people who wanna green wash their shady motivations like Sam Altman. So they should be seen quite critical…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 08:42 AM
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Some people do say cold approaches are bad in general tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 08:16 AM
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At school, he risks getting reported and facing discipline. In public, he risks less, but at all, he could be recorded and go viral online and known as a loser and/or creep To me it’s insane that anyone could think those are risks worth considering. In schools people are hitting all the time on each other. That’s neither against the rules of most schools nor is it legally problematic. And yeah if you’re afraid of becoming a meme on Tik Tok, don’t go outside at all then i guess…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 08:15 AM
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Yeah, you might have to choose. Either you screen for high net worth individuals, or you screen for people who actually seek love. The intersection of those groups is rather small i suppose, so you’d have to be really lucky to find someone like that. I guess one cannot have it all.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 08:07 AM
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I don’t care much about dating. And yeah i don’r suffer much. Which might mainly be due to me not having dates tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 07:38 AM
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You’re very much part of the problem not the solution, if you deny that women also antagonised men not just vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 07:33 AM
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If men want to have a movement similar to egalitarian feminism, that requires men to stop being selfish, quite frankly. I don’t get it. How can men be selfish because they don’t want a movement that centres themselves? Leftist men support feminism, which makes em selfish, because they should found their own gender advocacy group… It doesn’t add up for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 12:43 PM
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What has been achieved by feminism in the last 10 years?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 12:32 PM
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Yeah, women stick around for the responsibility in the absolute majority of cases after having kids. And a mother leaving her child has quite another ring to it than a father leaving his child. It more frond upon societally. And i get that many women don’t wanna risk becoming single mothers.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 09:32 PM
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Sure there are some weird subgroups of feminism out there who basically deny the possibility of a men getting raped by a woman. But feminists also helped to get the law to a point where it was acknowledged even acknowledged, that men can be raped by women. They pushed the idea of rape being gender neutral in the first place. So i think one has to give feminism credit for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 09:25 PM
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I am specifically talking about the situation online. There is a bunch of feminist literature which points out mens problems as well. I also said in the OP that feminism has a track record of caring about mens gender equality issues. My central point is that feminism doesn’t gent perceived that way anymore by many people. Because of online feminism, which doesn’t quite hold up to the standards of academic feminism. And that damages feminism and ultimately also the idea of gender equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 09:19 PM
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So an ick is basically noticing one could have better options? Or why attractive men get them so much more than unattractive men?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 06:20 PM
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Damn purple pilled people do have do funniest takes honestly… So when you think women have to avoid getting sperm from “old low quality men”, you surely also think men have to avoid getting egg cells from “old low quality women”? Do you? The reality is that most women can have children without major risk increases until they’re like 35-40. And men are normally fertile well into their 50s. So you seem to just push the same ridiculous talking point like OP just with switched genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 01:01 AM
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This view strips women of any agency. From your perspective the relationship between men and women is a bit like between a human and a dog. When the dog misbehaves its the owners responsibility to punish the dog so it learns for the future. So ultimately every misbehaviour of the dog is a failing of the owner, because the owner is responsible for the dog’s training. So the owner “has zero reasons to be upset at the dog’s behaviour”. And to me this view of women is quite off putting tbh. In the U…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 12:37 AM
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Alright. Pro tip: Don’t reply to the comment thread then. I think it’s a valuable perspective to the thread in general, since other people might or might not relate to what i have wrote. So in like 24h you can see how many people on here share my perspective. It might only be very few, which would indicate, that indeed few men have a preference for high self esteem women. So what i have wrote might even support your point indirectly. Therefore i see no reason for you to be so pissed about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 01:37 PM
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Sure, it’s anecdotal, but what do you expect? I acknowledged that many men might have very different preferences. Should everyone just always write “men/women are not a monolith” unter every fucking post?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 01:25 PM
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I can’t speak for all men so i just speak for myself. Two, they vet for the lowest self-esteem, for a woman who will agree to less than nothing This couldn’t be further from the truth for me. I actually find myself gravitating towards women who show a lot of self confidence. When i still went to university, every semester i had a new crush on some professor or teaching assistant cause i don’t find many things more attractive than a woman talking about some difficult to grasp topic with confidenc…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 01:18 PM
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Yeah. This has a few implications sadly. It means that red pillers are not totally wrong for blaming women for staying with abusive men. Of course, victim blaming is bs and the responsibility lays by the abuser. But women should at least be aware of their own biases. That possessiveness is explicitly wanted (but without all the negatives) is something that can actually be described as a “bad” preference. I know all those terms are loaded, but i just try to take it objectively for what it is. Wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 12:47 PM
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The second one is when he’s identified a woman he wants to commit to: he can be as possessive I mean you basically just explained that possessiveness is a good thing and that all the smut novels are based around it. So might it be possible, that it’s not just a power fantasy? Might it be possible that this shit works on most women?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 11:13 AM
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You do now that women work significantly more often part time, right? Are women trash for not working as much in conventional jobs as men?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 02:42 PM
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Do you have any data on what exactly is happening?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 02:33 PM
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they've internalized misogyny and just accept their worse off condition. But i thought every woman can be what she wants? Isn’t it ok to choose being a trad wife? Why can you tell women, what they may or may not want? Men are “groomed” into the role of the financial provider quite often. Should we blame women for that? Or dies everyone can like and do what they want?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 02:31 PM
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I mean you probably weren't present at the dates, right? I guess it’s not unheard of to have 10 bad draws on Tinder.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 02:12 AM
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What do you think the "princess treatment" is that women are expecting in any significant number? This can be all kind of different stuff. It’s not the same thing for all women. But some stuff like planning dates, making decisions with her priorities in mind without her having to say them and just a general thoughtfulness are things that are pretty commonly required or at least appreciated/actively encouraged. Sure, pretty much every one does. What this is specifically referring to is a dispropo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 02:02 AM
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Well i don’t know. But what i know is, that it doesn’t make sense to tell men how they should change, when the actual goal is, that everyone does what they want. When the goal ist that everyone should do what they want. Every societal movement like feminism would be morally flawed. Because it tries to challenge people in their ways, and therefore doesn’t support the notion of everyone doing what they want. I am not quite sure if you realise the ideological/political implications of your stance. …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 01:25 AM
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I think it’s fair to say this is just the most straight forward example. Another good example is the notion of princess treatment i think. I don’t say it is a bad thing necessarily, but it would be very naive to believe that this wouldn’t mean emotional labor for the men. I am always kinda hesitant to use the term emotional labor anyways. I tend to like doing things for my significant other. Especially emotional availability shouldn’t be a zero sum game in a relationship. That’s kinda hilarious …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 01:10 AM
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Well i don’t know. I hear all the time from feminists that toxic masculinity is the origin of most bad stuff. That men should stop competing so hard and actually be emotionally available to each others and so on and so forth. Feminists have much to say about what men should change in their behaviour. And they mainly target patriarchal gender norms in their critique. Which i think is totally fair. But when i do the same and critique the patriarchal gendered expectation, that men should take a fin…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 12:40 AM
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but that's gun to my head kind of answering Oh, that wasn’t my intention. I kinda expected a non definitive answer to my question anyways. And sure there are different areas of progressiveness men/women tend to do better in. I don’t wanna shot against progressive women. I do agree with you for example that progressive women show more effort in unionising (e.g. around lgbtq) than progressive men. And that’s a really important thing. When it comes specifically to gender norms tho, i am a little bi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 12:01 AM
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“Getting the ick” and “hating someone” are two different things actually. Almost no progressive women hate bi men, yet a significant portion of them wouldn’t date a bi men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 11:18 PM
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but progressive women tend to aspire to be more open minded about gender norms and that aspiration in itself matters What would you say: are progressive women or progressive men more open minded (on average) when it comes to this? I myself have no definitive opinion on that since i probably have a massive confirmation bias. I am just curious what other people think.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 11:14 PM
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Nah, bell hooks says all the right stuff honestly. Some people even misinterpret that as pandering to men or putting on the kids gloves for men. Which is of course bs. bell hooks just realised, that sustainable solutions can only happen if all voices are heard. She’s a good example how academic feminism is very reasonable overall. The problem of feminisms isn’t its thinkers. The problem are the non- thinkers within feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 10:12 PM
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There definitely is a difference between a friendship and a romantic relationship besides physical contact. At least for most men. In a romantic relationship i’m opening up much further, than in any friendship. Even with my best friend i usually don’t talk much about my emotional state and stuff like that. Sure if one of us had a break up or something we talk about that, but it’s often a bit awkward since none of us really knows what to say in this situation. And i just prefer to not share such …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 02:06 PM
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Are men individuals? Or are all men attracted to a nice pair of boobs?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 01:28 PM
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This sounds like a problem on your part. In a public setting like a Cafe it should be absolutely no problem to decline the offer of going to a walk together. It’s certainly possible to just say “no” in this situation. Will you be strangled to death for declining the offer? Maybe right. But what would you for example do, if some stranger approaches you in public (with other people being around) and says “please give me your purse”. Would you do it out of the fear of being strangled to death? Or w…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 01:09 PM
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I think you made some very good points. People change slower than the times This puts it quite well i think and you described pretty accurately how this manifests in my opinion. But i can’t help to notice a contradiction in your overall assessment. You say here: A lot of people just don't seem to be able to make that choice, which leaves them deeply unhappy and confused Which i think is another good point. But in the end you say: most people (…) know what they want and are consistent with it I a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 05:35 PM
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I’d argue historically, not the act of having sex is relevant for becoming an adult, but having the ability to procreate. That’s why historically in most societies people were considered fully fledged members of the society at around the age of 14. Nowadays it’s a bit harder to define what makes someone an adult.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 10:23 PM
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Why should a society who can afford it not provide for one of it’s children?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 10:11 PM
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There is a difference between wanting to fuck no one of a certain group whatsoever and wanting to fuck only a small percentage of a group. Should be quite obvious actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 01:37 PM
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I am sad to see the edit. You make an absolutely valid point in your OP. There is a big disparity in the dating prospects of young men and women. And it’s just a lazy gotcha to say this is ultimately set in stone now, because “everything else would mean rolling back women's rights”. This isn’t even an actual argument. It’s just a thesis since it lacks any reasoning let alone proof. And i think it’s quite obvious that you can try to better the situation without repressing women. Many problems men…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 01:27 PM
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Women who are genuinely slow to have sex tend to be more reserved overall less into partying and less sexually forward Well might that just be the problem, why most men rather date other women? You dunk all the time on introverted men for having no social skills and not trying to improve, yet when women are reserved and not quite social, you don’t see why people rather date someone else? This seems like a massive double standard. They’re usually called “boring” Oh, do you know any other groups t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 01:03 PM
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The topic isn't "social equilibrium." The topic is so-called "equality of outcome" No. Actually not. The topic is if consent is the only viable moral dimension, considering the mating system. Equality of outcome is just one consideration in this debate. Why do i have to explain this shit now? You seem to be unable to grasp, that there are not only the two options to either have no norms for the mating system at all, so total freedom of choice, or no choice whatsoever. You frame it as a black and…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 12:33 PM
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There is no objective "worse for society," once again this is a matter of personal opinion This might be true from an ethical standpoint. But not from a practical standpoint. The best solution from a practical standpoint is simply the solution most people agree on. This does’t have to be the morally or objectively best solution. If many people are unhappy with a given situation, it’s not gonna be a societal equilibrium. It’s not gonna be a stable status quo. I think it’s therefore inevitable tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 09:41 PM
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That's the only moral dimension that's relevant Nah, there are actually a metric fuckton of further moral dimensions that are at play here. Saying consent is the only viable metric is saying only equality of opportunity is relevant here. Sure everyone has to follow the law and respect consent. So everyone has the same baseline requirements and opportunities. But if this system doesn’t lead to equality of outcome, you cant just claim to accounted for every relevant moral dimension by saying you p…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 05:53 PM
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You didn’t answer my question at all. If we had a situation where all women only partner with attractive men, would this be a situation where men make all the decisions, or do women make also decisions in this situation? I need no lecturing about the history of women's rights, i am well aware of that. So please just answer the specific question.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 05:38 PM
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The fact a few hundred people do anythingdoesn't prove a trend. Fair. But i do think there are many especially young, quite impressionable men who buy into his bs. Not necessarily into all of it like the “be a pimp” stuff i mentioned. But i guess it’s fair to say that he at least had a pretty big genuine following at some point. Tbf one has to say that his fall from grace was pretty hard. Nowadays i can imagine that many red piller’s would distance themselves from him.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 05:18 PM
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How can only men be involved in having many partners? Do women still don’t have any agency? Can the attractive men just command all women to only partner with them? Or do women also make choices in this situation?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 05:10 PM
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How do you explain that people buy his “Hustlers University” and all the other scammy shit he dies then? Are those all just hate watchers? Hate watchers that blow money in his ass? Doesn’t make terribly much sense to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 05:04 PM
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Not sure where the hell you got that from. Ok what do all the father of great women tell em then? Just that they should never settle? Is that really it?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 05:00 PM
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Solana never was the face of feminism. Tate arguably is the face of TRP. The difference between them is how popular they are/were within their own movement.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 04:55 PM
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Valerie Solana’s actually said herself that she was just joking. And that was like some 40 years ago? Do you have some more relevant examples? I am quite critical of feminism myself. But in contrast to TRP, feminism is a coherent ideology. Of course there are fringe groups within feminism. But if we compare the most prominent feminist speakers like e.g. bell hooks to the most prominent TRP speakers like Andrew Tate, we can see a huge difference in how rationally sound their arguments are.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 04:39 PM
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But isn’t TRP meant to be only taken seriously very selectively? You’re not supposed to take anything Andrew Tate says seriously or are you? Is the advice that i should pimp out women for my sex cam empire part of the canon, that needs to be studied and taken seriously by TRP members, or can you skip those topics in the text book? It looks to me that if you’d actually take all the stuff seriously TRP says, you’d be pretty confused pretty fast.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 03:55 PM
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Why do you think that is, lol? Many bi men hide their bisexuality, because otherwise they are disadvantaged in dating women. Bisexual women are far less concerned with masculinity in male partners as a rule. Probably yes. Not a universal rule tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 03:46 PM
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Ok, but then let’s be completely fair here and acknowledge another fact. Women do harm other women proportionally (to the total assaults of the gender) more often than men. Men commit violent crimes against men and women pretty equally. Actually a bit more against men. I list the exact values below: Men total: 4,214,150 Women total: 1,077,350 Men on men: 2,389,160 Men on women: 1,824,990 Women on men: 302,550 Women on women: 774,800 So men commit violent crimes against women in 43.3% of cases an…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 03:19 PM
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How do you see gay communities police bi woman to be submissive?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 02:48 PM
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No REAL man is going to teach his daughter to settle. He wants what's best for her. This seems a bit like a weird argument. So it all comes down to what men want, you say? Women's preferences are just a proxy of what men told them? Sure, socialisation is an important factor. But not just fathers are the ones providing socialisation to young girls. The whole society does. Any other man who doesn't give a crap is going to raise a low self esteem daughter Not giving a crap about your children is ba…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 02:41 PM
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Not all women have a problem with men not fulfilling heteronormative standards, sure. There are even women who embrace that. I am a bi men, and don’t necessarily even consider myself to be submissive. I can enjoy both, being dominant and being submissive. But for me those concepts only belong to the bedroom anyways. My skin crawls at the idea of any dominant- submissive interpersonal dynamics in a relationship (asides from sex). And i gotta say that from my experience women do expect that quite …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 02:30 PM
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So you say women who don’t want kids never (or at least more seldomly) have a preference for partners with good financial prospects? I don’t know. I personally live in a country (germany) with very good maternity protection. It’s illegal to fire a woman on maternity leave (it’s also illegal to fire men on paternity leave). Also your employer has to pay you a few more weeks after the birth, and after that you get “Elterngeld” (parent money) as long as you are on maternity/paternity leave (up to 1…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 01:56 PM
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Sure, i don’t wanna support the framing of bi people being hypersexual in any way actually. I think this is just a dumb stereotype.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 04:21 AM
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But isn’t that kinda easy to solve by just getting a test? This is completely normal in gay circles anyways, so the people who are at higher risks due to their sexual orientation are normally pretty aware of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 04:18 AM
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The body of your post doesn't really argue the second half of your premise well. I get you. The last two paragraphs don’t really underpin the thesis. Especially the third one does not. I think the bisexuality example is pretty valid for stressing the thesis, because it shows that men generally tend to have less problems with their partners not fulfilling heteronormative standards. The financial preferences example does not quite show how women are not expected to be submissive, but this is just …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 04:12 AM
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This is an interesting perspective. And indeed kinda hard to grasp for me as a bi men who considers himself to be sapiosexual. Sure gendered appearance is also a thing for me, but gendered behaviour is literally not at all relevant for my dating choices. But i guess stating it like that boils it down pretty neatly, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 03:55 AM
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Let me give you an example to that that seems very fitting for your post. You claim that men say all men use their options if they have one, so attractive men are less faithful. It is common knowledge that straight women prefer straight men over bi men on average. And the reason women quote most often for that is because bi men would have so many options, that they would be too stressed by that. Like not only worrying about other women, but men too. This is straight up projection. Or maybe it’s …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 02:45 AM
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Ok, let me change my answer. Instead of Brad Pitt let’s imagine Leonardo Di Caprio. Do we agree now that it’s probably even harder for a random woman to fuck him than it is for OP to fuck Scarlett Johansson? I think it gets pretty obvious here, since as a woman you only have like seven years of your life, where you can even try. Assuming he only goes for woman of legal age. I guess Scarlet’s age requirements are not nearly as strict. So OP might actually have a shot if he becomes very rich and f…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 01:03 AM
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This is rather funny to me. Sure there are people on this sub who are pretty weird and talk an unhealthy amount of shit. But overall i gotta say this sub is by far the most reasonable gender debate sub of its (or bigger) size. r/FeMRADebates is consistently more rational than this sub, but it’s also much smaller. Basically all other gender debate subs i know (like e.g. r/PsycheOrSike) are so much worse than this sub. I am left leaning and egalitarian. But i am often surprised how many red piller…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 11:07 PM
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It’s basically just as hard for a random woman to fuck with Brad Pitt, as it is for you to fuck with Scarlett Johansson. So i guess if we make such a rule it has to be gender neutral.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 10:42 PM
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I fucking love being alone. But that’s probably also wrong from your pov, since this makes me one of those avoidant self absorbed dudes you described. I definitely don’t always want people around me tho, and in all relationships i had, i was the one putting in more effort, like flowers on valentines day, random dates i planned and payed for, doing stuff in her apartment like repairing something, etc. I’d say i also do more for my friends than i receive from them, but that’s mainly due to me not …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 10:28 PM
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Saying someone should touch grass or saying someone is not in the mood for a debate is not a personal attack tho. It is an ad hominem argument sure, but one has to expect those if one goes on Reddit and calls people stupid. You can’t cry about ad hominem arguments if you misuse a debate sub for ranting.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 08:06 PM
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I disagree. I mean sure there is not this one soul mate out there you have to find. But for (basically) every character type there are many others out there who match that well. We are 8 billion people on this rock. So you don’t have to believe in soul mates or what ever to come to the conclusion that almost no one is so special or so boring that there is no one else who’s so special or so boring. I also see myself as quite undateable. At least for the majority of women. If a woman doesn’t match…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 04:20 PM
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I mean i recently got a 24h temp ban for calling someone “my dear”. So the rules gonna get skewed in your favour, no worries. But i guess i’m safe here since you started calling other people stupid. But feel free to report it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 03:56 PM
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“Insulting” you? Who called other people stupid? You or me? You are either very ignorant, or as i said just not in the mood to have a debate rn. I know the rules for debate threads are kinda lax here, but the rules state you must show a willingness to change your mind. This is like your 20th post on the subject that it’s so mean when men don’t say they only wanna hook up. And you react to a basic question like “what about people who genuinely don’t know where things go?” by insulting them. You h…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 03:41 PM
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Stupid people in situationships. Lol, ok. Go touch some grass or build a snow man or some shit like that. Looks like you’re not in the mood to have a debate rn.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 03:28 PM
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What about the people who genuinely don’t know where things gonna go? Do you have to commit to whether you pursue hookups or a relationship? Or can you also just get to know someone and see where it goes?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 03:18 PM
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Don’t you realise that the last two paragraphs are kinda obsolete if all men devour each other in a space colony? You seem overly concerned with an irrelevant problem at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 12:39 PM
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You're expecting women should date men they quite likely feel no attraction to whatsoever,based on social pressure/norms. It won't happen Nah i think this can be pretty easily debunked. If you say relative attractiveness is what matters for women (which i partly agree on) how do you explain that most people do settle for a relationship at some point? I think for men below 30 it’s like 60% singles or something. This decreases rapidly tho in older age brackets. So even for men below 30 the “only t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 11:54 AM
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Can you overcome your 200k year old hard wiring to chase after 17 yo’s? I can. So do most other men. Most men probably think some 17 yo women are physically attractive, but they would never engage them. Which can be due to social pressure, or due to a genuine disinterest in the typical personality attributes of a 17 yo. Or both, or what ever reason. It is quite possible to act against your evolutionary wiring. We just have to set norms as a society.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 11:17 AM
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Yeah, i don’t want to argue against that. From a strictly “civilisational growth” standpoint monogamy is extremely efficient. I just made a point why that’s the case. I tend to believe that the main advantage of a patriarchal monogamous system was the reduction of in- group violence due to an decreased need for mating competition. That’s what gave monogamous societies an advantage over polygynous societies and therefore monogamy became the standard system.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 11:07 AM
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In my view socialisation isn’t something people can have different amounts of. A lack of socialisation would be a form of socialisation as i see it. Everyone is socialised one way or another. And if we want to have gender equality and an efficient mating system, the upbringing and the norms people learn from a young age onwards are very important i think. Rn we are in a weird spot where gender equality is a mainstream political goal (not so much in the US rn, but in general i think it’s fair to …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 10:51 AM
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Yeah, the whole concept of evolution thrives on competitiveness. And i majored in economics so i get the importance of competitiveness in certain cases. But i think it’s a bit of a lazy argument to say nature is competitive so everything has to be. I tend to believe that the patriarchy actually was established as a mechanism to reduce the need for male in- group competitiveness. Technically it also reduced the need for female competitiveness because it strips women of agency in partner choice. S…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 10:29 AM
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Sure, birth rates are an important consideration. Demographic problems arise in basically all developed countries and an abandonment of monogamy could significantly add to this effect. I would’t frame it tho as a problem of inter- civilisational competition. All developed countries have this sorts of problems and all could benefit from a better system. So humanity as a whole could benefit from it basically. is simply incompatible with widespread monogamy no matter how you tweek or tune the cultu…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 10:06 AM
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Yeah, thats a good point. And I understand the objection if women lean into those standards. It often becomes hypocritical tho, because the same dudes who criticise women for leaning into those standards, then often times go ahead and try to become an alpha or high value, or what ever the current terminology for that is. Maybe one could actually argue that the natural state of human reproduction, is not much better than a patriarchal monogamous system. Maybe the main reason for the establishment…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 07:59 PM
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No, the whole concept of a “evolutionary deficiency” is kinda dumb tbh. Evolution is a permanent process of optimisation. Individuals with deficiencies just die without reproducing. So if there are differences in men and women it’s because from a survival perspective those differences make sense. And i think what evolution “did” can be summed up as follows: Men are expandable. For a human society to function properly (in the sense of reproducing quickly) we need significantly less men than women…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 04:05 PM
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At some point he was a math teacher at the Dalton School in NYC. That was basically his first job before he got a position at Bear Stearns. I would have thought many people on PPD would know this.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 03:28 PM
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Epstein himself for example?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 03:21 PM
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Let’s lock up all math teachers. Anyone who understands what a derivative is should be tarred and feathered.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 03:15 PM
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Generally by agreeing with societies mainstream view of these matters Did you over read this?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 03:11 PM
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Some do probably. Are all women strictly screening for certain personality traits? Or might it be the case that in the history of the earth at least a handful of women also dated men they didn’t like character wise but which are good looking or rich? Do you think this is a possibility?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 03:08 PM
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I think it’s a little bit more complex than OP makes it out to be. Sure most men don’t like most women. As do most women don’t like most men and most people in general don’t like most other people. So dating is about finding a person that you do like. Which means you will also date people you don’t like. And there is the societal expectation that men really try hard to appeal to a woman they’re dating e.g. by planning, steering and paying for the date. So it just looks a little bit more stupid f…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 02:59 PM
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Difference is statistically insignificant How high is the p- value? I think you mean the difference is not practically significant. No one needs sex. So this claim can be debunked really easily. It’s another question tho if men, on average, want more sex than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 05:37 PM
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How so? What is the causation here?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 05:19 PM
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If i’d be a women i wouldn’t like to be framed as a purely passive agent who just reacts and never acts. But what ever floats your boat i guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 05:18 PM
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Beautifully worded, you really hit the nail on the head there. The only thing i am not 100% with you is the claim that women would buy real estate at higher rates than men. This seems pretty unlikely considering the wealth allocation between genders. And i couldn’t find any official statistic to back up this claim. However i did find this article from the National Association of Realtors stating that single women do buy real estate at higher rates than single men. https://www.nar.realtor/newsroo…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 01:11 AM
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Should i also say “well red pillers happen to speak in another way than me which makes it hard to convince them, so i just don’t even try”? Because i do get your point, it makes it harder to convince them. But that just means that you need to put on the gloves and beat them in their own game. If they don’t speak like you, you have to adopt their language and point out inconsistencies in their ideology in their own “language”. If you just surrender because you can’t talk to someone with a fundame…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 04:42 PM
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However, I have not actually heard from the men here on how women can help. There is a very simple answer to your question. Women can speak to and convince other women who are actively putting down men or just passively reinforcing toxic gender stereotypes. Just like left leaning men should speak to and convince red pillers, that their hegemonic gender stereotypes are outdated. I had many feminists telling me that i should do that as a left leaning men. But somehow feminists oftentimes seem baff…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 04:30 PM
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It’s an interesting thought for sure. But ultimately it skews Maslow’s model quite a bit. Because the sexual reproduction part of the base tier is literally just that. You kinda said that yourself by pointing out how it’s not directly comparable to the other strictly personal needs. If we had any means of non sexual reproduction, this method could perfectly substitute sexual reproduction in the base tier of the pyramid. The reason i still think it’s an interesting thought is, because i personall…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 04:13 PM
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It shocks me how many women we can have here and still have a horrible toxic male culture This made me almost spit my tea out. How can people be so ignorant? Why is a dating situation where men hold the cards a “horrible toxic male culture” but the dating situation generally where women hold the cards is not a “horrible toxic female culture”? Men are not secretly plotting to be bad in high school just so the boys have a dating advantage in college. I can tell you that much. So we can conclude, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 02:19 PM
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They are too smart and independent to do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 01:52 PM
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This post is beyond funny. First of all it’s classist. Just because someone will make a few thousand bucks less than you a month, doesn’t make the person a bimbo. Have you ever considered, that this disgusting mindset might be the reason no one wants an LTR with you? And yeah of course the men are the problem when all the women want 20% of men. Women are wonderful, so it’s not their fault. But the attractive men are just disgusting. Like they don’t even pick you over a fucking nurse - a NURSE!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 01:38 PM
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You cant beg for empathy while you have little to no empathy for others. Its that simple. If you don’t give two fucks if no one understands you, fine. You seem to equate “having empathy” to “being nice to everyone”. But that’s just not what empathy is. Empathy is the ability to feel what another person feels. This often leads to the empathic person understanding the motivations of another person and therefore being less ignorant towards this person, which can be interpreted as being nice. But if…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 02:56 PM
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I almost feel like an idiot always making way for people. Are you a men? If yes are you 60+? Because if the answers to this questions are Yes and No, you should ask yourself if you’re really as special as you make yourself out to be here. I agree that most of the people who are making problems are men yes. But i reject the notion that almost no men below the age of 60 would act cooperatively and make way when that’s the most easy solution. I do this all the time. I have several male friends who …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 02:35 PM
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The same applies to self-awareness and empathy. If you never try to be mindful of other people’s feelings, reactions, or perspectives, then you cannot reasonably expect others to extend empathy to you in return. I think it’s weird to frame empathy as a zero sum game. An empathic person should absolutely be willing to be empathic towards someone who is not, because to empathic persons empathy is like your tool for understanding other people. Having empathy doesn’t mean always being super nice to …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 01:55 PM
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I think the most posts on here who follow a clear line of reasoning and use credible sources to back this up are by men. But maybe my perception is a bit biased since there is one female poster on here who always uses communication ala “he said he doesn’t want a women with baggage like kids or trauma, so he dehumanises children” and posts multiple times a day and only ever uses tik tok as a source. I am not aware of any male counterparts on this sub. Would actually be interesting to make a littl…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 02:47 PM
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This post is kinda weird. The author presents a few percived axioms about men without giving any reasoning or examples. In the last paragraph the author states non verbal communication can be “clear communication” and mic drops outta here by saying men who state a preference for clear communication are just anti and short sighted This post added nothing to the debate. All relevant information we can extract from this post is that the author not believes a significant number of men want direct co…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 02:26 PM
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Meanwhile there are plenty of VERY direct women on this sub and those men never seem to like what they have to say lol So the men in this sub aren’t examples for people who’d even be able to use direct communication effectively, but the women here are excellent examples for that? Might it be the case that your opinion is very biased on this matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 02:15 PM
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You don’t get the analogy it seems. I am not saying women are literally crying about that. I say this framing is totally valid, when you say the framing “men complaining about male financial and status standards is just them whining about not getting their dicks wet” is valid as well. My personal opinion is neither of this narratives is valid and people should not antagonise anyone for expressing how one gets repressed by patriarchal gender norms.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 04:56 PM
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Beauty standards and not getting laid are two different contexts. So are male financial standards and not getting laid Why is this so extremely hard to understand for feminists? Yes, let's criticize capitalism. Let's criticize the financial expectations of men, created by men. Do you not get how silly you sound? You are trying to use the fact that some men created something 3000 years ago as a moral club right now. I am not 3000 years old actually. And i know no one who is. So it wasn’t me or an…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 03:51 PM
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Should men care about women crying that they’re not get laid by the dudes they want? Because i could easily frame critiquing female beauty standards like that. Like, “cry me a river girl i don’t care if you feel too ugly to get a men”. Is this an adequate reaction to critique of female beauty standards? I personally don’t think so. But this seems to be the position men should take when it comes to this question. Because male financial standards and expectations regarding that, are also a patriar…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 03:35 PM
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He doesn’t suck. He is just not appealing to you. That are two different things. Sure making a profile that is made up of snakes, a weird hoody and the hobby thats regularly polled as the most unattractive for women (fishing) is obvious trolling. If he’d be a sincere snake lover/ fishermen he’d have not showed off the hoody. Especially if you then proceed to buy premium to swipe on 2 million women, this feels very much like someone just had a little bit of fun and maybe wanted to prove some poin…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 03:25 PM
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I am not too much concerned with this dude, who’s obviously a troll and set up a tinder profile for social media attention. I am more concerned with the framing here, that 3 tik tok videos about an internet troll would prove that women's collective bar is in hell. How does women not being flattered by a profile that’s consciously set up to not flatter women evidence for women's bar being low?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 03:19 PM
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No, i don’t think most men who complained at some point about mens dating situation did so because they didn’t got hookups. Most men can’t get hookups, that really no big news. It’s more about young men being significantly more often single than young women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 03:09 PM
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Those pesky men rather go fishing than being with wonderful women. Maybe it’s because of all the talk how ridiculously low the bar is and men still failing it. Maybe men just don’t want to be with people who are intellectually fit for understanding that the bar was literally never higher than right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 03:01 PM
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How no one understands them And you think thats weird? If i go to e.g. r/AskFeminists and ask how a group that proclaims to uphold the principle of gender equality, can actually say gender equality problems concerning men are “out of their scope”, i get framed as a pathetic little manlet who’s only concerned with getting his dick wet. I think it’s reasonable for me to feel misunderstood in this situation. They are constantly trying to go online and be understood and have people care about them S…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 02:07 PM
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No one’s interested in solving the problems of other genders. Men who complain about their dating situation, commonly get framed as just wanting to get their dick wet. Women who complain about their dating situation get dismissed as chad- chasing Karens. Neither side is taking the other side even remotely seriously. As long as this situation prevails, gender equality progress is on halt and may actually reverse again.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 01:59 PM
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So do you feel like you can understand the male perspective much better, than men can understand the female perspective? Knowing you’re not privileged requires you to also understand the other side. Because you can’t even know how privileged you are compared to the other side, if you do not know their life reality. I think it’s pretty simple. Both men and women are privileged but in different areas. Only insecure people would make a competition out of whom is less privileged.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 01:08 PM
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So do you say only insecure women want princess treatment? Is there an male equivalence to princess treatment?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 01:01 PM
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But why would anyone care about that? Feminists often say mens problems are not of interest to them. And that’s despite women reinforcing certain gender norms is a part of why some of those problems exist. But feminists say they don’t care. So how can you expect men to care about this? A problem that nature itself created and that’s basically impossible to solve. Why would men care? Why isn’t the reaction: “Well it’s not my problem, just take the pill and hit the gym if you wanna change somethin…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 12:55 PM
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This is, once again, where I have to repeat: HOW you say something is just as important as what you say. I did pick this example counciously. If someone says “I want to have a ONS with you, are you down?”, is it really that hard to figure out if the person is honest or not? In this case, it would also be BEST for the woman, as the man is being considerate of her I get the feeling that you can’t speak on behalf of women here actually. Saying sensitive stuff isn’t equatable to being considerate. Y…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 04:18 PM
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Sure, TRP is not a coherent ideology. Far from it actually. This gets very obvious if we imagine what would happen if all men in the world would live strictly after TRP principles. What would this change? Society would be much more misogynistic, but for men wouldn’t change a damn thing. Because if all men collectively go up 100% in physical attractiveness, all that changes is the standards women would have about male physical attractiveness. It would still be a competition for the most attractiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 04:08 PM
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I didn't say "lie to women". I said "no one likes talking to someone with no tact." Ok answer this simple question then please: If a men only wants to hook up with a girl for one night is it “better” when he just says that, or is it better if he says exactly what she wants to hear so she ends up sleeping with him, cause she thinks she met this ultra charming dude with genuine interest in her? How do you personally want men to behave in this situation?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 03:49 PM
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Ah got it, thanks. So c basically just says men are more disagreeable than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 03:44 PM
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because generally, it's unpleasant to have to know Don’t you think you are arguing yourself in a whole here, where it’s hard to come out of again? If you think my true intentions and motivations are unpleasant, how about we just do not spent time together? Isn’t this in your interest as well? Women complain all the time about men lying to get them to sleep with em. And i get that. That is disgusting. So why do you want men to do that?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 03:40 PM
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Descriptive gender gaps in political conflict avoidance. (a) I would rather not justify my political beliefs to someone who disagrees with me (agree); (b) When people argue about politics, I often feel uncomfortable (agree); (c) I have no problem revealing my political beliefs, even to somewhat who would disagree with me (disagree). Significant gender differences at: *P<0.05; *P<0.01; ***P<0.001. Source: Democratic disconnect and political participation survey (2011). But (c) gets described as h…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 03:24 PM
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If you are a pure and sincere person who genuinely cared about a woman, you would acknowledge that she's had a LOT of men "be honest" with her already I don’t know what you wanna say with this. If she has many men being honest and straight forward with her, good for her i guess. If she wants me in her life she has one more now. I don’t change my whole personality only because women do already have “enough” people who are being honest with them. I am not a shape shifter.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 03:19 PM
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Here is another study that shows women are more likely to avoid expressing political opinions, even in anonymous academic surveys I am kinda confused about this one. If i interpret this correctly women are more likely to be uncomfortable in political discussions, but are nevertheless more likely to express their believes. Or how does this graph has to be interpreted? Edit: Picture doesn’t work unfortunately. The graph that immediately shows up if you open the link.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 03:11 PM
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to be subjected to cruel or unjust treatment, control, or authority, often involving systematic harm, lack of freedom, and the abusive use of power by a dominant group over another The problem with a definition like that is, that basically every single person on planet earth is oppressed or at some point was subject to oppression then. Our whole economic system is a system wich perpetuates “unjust treatment” of 95% of people. This can be seen as “systemic harm” and as one group overpowering anot…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 02:49 PM
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It might also not be the most honest take, or even outright false. You can have absolute pure intentions and still prefer straight forward communication. It’s very mich possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 02:35 PM
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You got banned for flooding the group every other day for the last 2 weeks with male dating woes Again why are you lying or at least being hyperbolic about that? I made 3 posts (that went up, a few attempts got blocked) in 2 weeks. And before that i never posted on r/AskFeminism. Everyone can see that in my post history. I go to giggle at the pissed off men I figured that one already… It is not insane when that was YOUR 5th post in a week and the 5th post on the same subject It would have been t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 01:19 PM
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And I called you disingenuous for claiming they block dissenting opinions whilst you have several active posts up in that group as we speak. Lol, i got fucking banned for nothing. I broke no rules or anything. But sure, dissenting opinions do not get blocked… It’s insane to 1. block a post that is highly objective and cites a very credible source while clarifying a common confusion in the sub. And 2. to ban the person for attempting to post such a thing. I didn’t even argue much with the mods. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 12:30 PM
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Actually two of the other 4 posts were by me. But the two prior posts were not concerned with this specific topic. The two prior posts were concerned with the logical contradiction that emerges if a member of a movement wich proclaims to uphold the principle of gender equality says they don’t care about a certain gender equality problem. Yes i used examples there from mens dating experiences, but not everything concerned with dating is “the same type of post”. Actually, the paper i cited is kind…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 12:01 PM
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Well you can’t refute the argument either. You’re just another feminists that gets triggered about me being right. Ad hominem arguments don’t give me anything. If you really wanna attack me, logically refute this argument: If a movement proclaims to uphold the principle of gender equality it will be measured by this proclamation. We both know you’re unable to refute it so yeah probably you just gonna rant a bit more.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 11:09 AM
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Tinder is really quite unimportant. I have to agree. If you mean mens dating problems in general let me show you why those problems are important for feminism Female financial and status expectations towards men are a big reason men feel so much economic pressure. And this economic pressure is interconnected to all sorts of toxic masculinity like e.g. criminality. So feminists always say leftist men should go out there and talk to red pill dudes and change their mind. Alright feminists, will do …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 11:02 AM
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I am a leftist myself my dear. I am member of a socialist party, i couldn’t be further from being a “MAGA fuck”. The reason it bothers me more when leftists do it, is because i have a bias that leftists are reasonable people. And if that bias gets violated i don’t like that. But you want to boo hoo because they didn't post the 4th or 5th post of men crying about the Gold Digger post. With the little but important difference, that my post just summed up scientific results and wasn’t crying.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 10:49 AM
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I have no preferences in the sex or gender of people who wanna debate with me. But yeah debating is kinda a big part of my personality. That’s fair to say i guess. A pseudo psychological remote analysis that somewhat worked. You’re a natural.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 12:57 AM
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Yeah, i think you’re hitting the nail on the head in pretty much all regards here. They strike me as the type to preach about egalitarianism and equality but, deep down, still want to live the "tradwife" experience This is a bit overstated in my opinion, but i totally get where you’re coming from. I’d say it is internalised gender norms which still affect feminists too. you're from Germany and thats going to make them a little harder to understand Yes that makes it definitely harder for me. I’m …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 12:43 AM
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It's not illogical for someone to want to maintain the lifestyle they can provide themselves. Yeah, fully agree. In general i have the same preference. But i would’t categorically exclude the possibility to fall in love with someone who “ refuses to work” as you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 12:24 AM
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I'm not downgrading my life because some guy refuses to work. I always think it’s funny how i am the one that bitches about logic and rationality all the time and yet apparently i am still more romantic than you for example. If i happen to fall in love with “some girl who refuses to work” so be it. If i love her that should actually not be a problem. I live in a country with good social security tho. Maybe thats the difference here.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 11:44 PM
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So you say the moral principle of inclusion is violated here? Or is this just a random hypocrisy you wanted to point out? If yes i don’t know where you wanna go with this please enlighten me. Yes hypocrisies are not per se a bad thing if this is still your point. If the violation of the moral principle of inclusivity is what you’re pointing at here, i’d like to give the following perspective: Inclusivity about parking spaces means everyone no matter their age, gender or physical disabilities sho…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 11:17 PM
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There is something wrong with following patriarchal gender norms. But i’m by far no hardliner who shames woman for their preferences. We all follow patriarchal gender norms more than we should and it’s worth pointing that out. And also if women are the ones reinforcing the norms it must be possible to acknowledge this.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 11:05 PM
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You know the textbook definition for hypocrisy. Something being hypocritical doesn't make it right or wrong, true or false Does this basic “definition” (let me nit pick and point out that it’s rather just a statement about hypocrisy) also apply to moral principles? Lets put it to the stress test. Lets say we proclaimed that our moral principle is anti- racism. Is it “not right nor wrong” if one wittinesses the discrimination of e.g. an Indian, to say something along the lines: “i don’t happen to…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 10:54 PM
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Ok let me answer that point by point. 1. What disparity? Any gender related disparity. If you want gender equality this can be only achieved by solving any issue that disadvantages any gender in comparison to any other gender. So logically we can conclude every gender related disparity in society, is within the scope of a movement which declares to uphold the 0principle of gender equality. 2. Is it out of scope, or not important? It can’t be out of scope, but it can be sitting low on a priority …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 10:30 PM
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Would you say this system of men sacrificing personal connections for economic gains has nothing to do with women's financial expectations on men? Let’s in no way assign blame here right now. Lets only objectively answer if those two things might be interconnected. Please do me the favour and really try to just answer this question as objectively as possible. If you want we can play the blame game afterwards.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 09:59 PM
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Try me if you want. Test my logic. I am up for scrutiny. I say my logic is consistent and if you disagree feel free to point out errors. Actually, let me give you a statement that you can dissect for logical consistency: A member of a movement which proclaims to uphold the principle of gender equality, can’t dismiss any gender disparity as unimportant, because the movement proclaimed to care about it. You may assign different importances, but you cant claim a gender disparity is out of your scop…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 09:42 PM
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Yes, to go into a feminist space and say, "women wanting financially responsible adults to date" is a bit misogynistic You established not that it’s just my views. Can you also explain why it’s misogynistic?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 09:34 PM
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I can’t claim to now true oppression either, but this definitely made me chuckle.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 09:30 PM
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If you want to verbalise some critique about me we can try. Generally i’d say if you can logically show i am wrong with something i will accept that and correct my position.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 09:28 PM
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You're deflecting because you don't have a response to a very simple argument. Dude use your brain. I don’t even say that women may not have this preferences so why should the citation i bring say that? It was clearly directed at this statement: No they aren't, and this is exactly why your post was dismissed. I even marked that by using the cite function as we do in every comment. So don’t play like you’re four now. Supporting equality does not mean you must want to date everyone equally. Correc…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 09:20 PM
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Where does this say "women are not permitted to care about their partner's finances?" Now you lost the plot a bit, let me help you out: Me: That mens dating issues (which btw often stem from patriarchal gender norms) are relevant to feminism. You: No they aren't, and this is exactly why your post was dismissed. Me: “It is simply assumed in patriarchal culture that men should be willing to sacrifice meaningful emotional connections to get the job done.” Bell Hooks, 2004 You: Where does this say "…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 09:02 PM
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So why are pople on r/AskFeminists saying it’s misogynistic to say that women care on average more about financial aspects in dating? If you say this is such an obviously good preference i guess you agree that it’s nit misogynistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 08:55 PM
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Offline my experience with feminists is fortunately entirely different. I also think feminists in my country (germany) are overall a bit more reasonable than in the US, so it could be that. And i have to disagree with your notion that this is a general thing of women. I kinda get some of it, but i think generalising about this is bad. And i also think most women just as most men are able to be reasonable if they want to. That’s the funny thing. They disagree with facts. I could see disagreeing w…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 08:51 PM
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No they aren't, and this is exactly why your post was dismissed. “It is simply assumed in patriarchal culture that men should be willing to sacrifice meaningful emotional connections to get the job done.” Bell Hooks, 2004 Discourse about beauty standards never said "men must find all women attractive." As i never said women can’t have preferences about money and status. It's a strawman. You can uphold equality without wanting to date everyone equally. Wow a explicitly announced straw men… I don’…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 08:30 PM
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As far as money, ofc women care about money over certain other factors when selecting a mate. So you agree it’s wrong to say this claim is misogynistic? Feminist subs are not there for this type of argument For what kind of argument? Logic? I think it’d be misogynistic to say that. I am ultimately arguing for feminists to take mens dating issues seriously. I can give you several logical argument for that as such: Mens problems like financial and economic pressure (even if it’s just perceived) ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 08:19 PM
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Yeah for sure. It’s not just feminists. It just bothers me more when leftists do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 08:02 PM
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Now what? What conclusions do you draw or want others to draw from this statement? That mens dating issues (which btw often stem from patriarchal gender norms) are relevant to feminism. Because as a movement which proclaims to uphold the principles of gender equality one must take all disparities between genders into account. Not just womens beauty standards. Also mens economic standards. And everything else. Ultimately i argue to act up on the proclamation to uphold the principles of gender equ…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 08:01 PM
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I actually made some (worse) critique in this sub before. It was not bad critique overall, but i didn’t proved my points with papers or such. And yes it’s been received extremely badly overall. Even tho most of the times my core arguments could not be refuted on a logical level. It cant be logically explained why feminism should not care about mens dating issues. If a movement proclaims to uphold the principle of gender equality it will be measured by this proclamation. How can any sane person r…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 07:52 PM
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I am a leftist. And i always considered feminism to be a leftist movement. I support the idea of changing many gender norms and stuff like that. So i am inclined to take feminism more seriously than the manosphere, because i have a bias that leftist people should be more reasonable about moral questions than non- leftists. But feminist online spaces really put this believe through a stress test. I am a little bit ashamed that self proclaimed fellow leftists are so self- concerned that they’re be…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 07:36 PM
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I can’t just state facts on r/AskFeminism So if i encounter people saying objectively false things and wanna make a post about it, it has to be a question.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 07:19 PM
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So it’s sexist to say two facts after one another? No one implied here that women sell themselves. Just because this is a common red pill trope we shouldn’t deny reality should we? It must be possible to say to facts after one another without it being sexist.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 07:17 PM
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Anyway why do you even have to put it this way, like an equal trade? Where did i do this? Women don't care about looks? It is a problem if people only hear what they want to hear. I explicitly explained in my post that the effect sizes are nit huge which means women do care somewhat less about looks. At no point i made all the implications you point out right now. And i am so insistent about this cause this is the very root of the problem. Interpreting everything as an attack even when it’s just…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 07:13 PM
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If it doesn’t matter to you, you don’t have to comment on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 07:01 PM
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Then there is another point, that while yes, women do care about money, a lot of women prioritize financial stability in their partner and i don't hear about them so much from men, when you put it like "women care about money, men care about looks" it kind of true separately, but when you put it like that it seems misogynistic I put it that way to show that the tendencies one would expect indeed exist but are moderate in size. In no way intended to say women sell theirselves, and i think it’s a …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 06:57 PM
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The critique is that people on r/AskFeminism say it’s misogynistic to say “women care in average more about financial aspects in dating than men”. Not all of them of course. But some. So this is a valid question for the sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 06:43 PM
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You seem to be desperate for attention and approval of feminists in spite of an obvious disdain That puts it very well. I always thought feminism is a leftist movement. But if i hold this assumption contradiction pile up. How can one say one upholds the principle of gender equality and say ine does not care about patriarchal gender norms if they happen to disadvantage men? It’s logically contradictory. If you have disdain for me for pointing such things out i cant’t do anything about it, but des…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 06:39 PM
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I did not say here that it’s bad to have those preferences and do not really wish to habe this discussion. If you say those preferences are valid you should also say it’s not misogynistic to point out they exist. But that get’s refuted over on r/AskFeminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 06:33 PM
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That’s funny. You guys have used up much good will from me too btw. It is not misogynistic to say that women on average are more likely to care about financial aspects in dating than men. And yet people say that over and over again on r/AskFeminism. And then if i present the irrefutable truth. You guys pull out the ban hammer. Pathetic. Edit: And the fun part is this study is even kinda supportive of feminisms goals, cause it shows that the effect sizes are moderate. But well i guess that might …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 06:24 PM
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But why then block the thread with a credible scientific source and not the four other ones? This seems fishy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 06:18 PM
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Think what you want, i don’t really care. Everyone for whom text comprehension is no unsolvable task understands that in the comment you’re critiquing i made the point that generalisations are bad. This is why I say I rarely, if ever, straw man, because you guys aren't very mindful of you're saying. Girl you once said a men would dehumanise children because he said he prefers women without baggage like kids or trauma. But sure you never did a fucking straw men in your entire life because everyon…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 01:41 PM
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This is not my opinion. I was showcasing to you how dumb generalisations feel like.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 01:24 PM
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So think about it. Why wouldn't people not like unstable, finger pointing, violent, selfish people who make their problems everyone else's problems? Right? But why should i like a group who always hysterically cries about the other group you described either? Maybe humans are just trash in general regardless of gender. Or maybe we should not generalise like that about genders. I know you don’t wanna hear it, but there is the slight possibility that not every single men on this planet ist unstabl…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 12:51 PM
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Then outside of your bubble and inside mine, i don't see either being celebrated. I definitely don’t wanna defend OPs yapping, but i think the picture you draw now is wrong as well. For example compare, how looksmaxxing is seen for men and women. Men get roasted for being so insecure that they break their jawbones. If you make fun of a woman tho for getting a BBL, feminists wont take that. She just wanna feel good in her feminine body and there is nothing wrong with that! But men who do shit lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 12:34 PM
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I think you misunderstood DEI. It’s not really about filling mens quotas tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 12:24 PM
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but women (more than anything else) can’t stand sexism and discrimination, and so they wouldn’t mind settling for an average guy who isn’t trying to bring outdated aspects of romantic relationships back into the mainstream again I guess you’re over estimating the amount of progressive women and probably even more so under estimating the amount of completely unpolitical women. Women tend to be more left leaning than men yes, but there is also a very large group that is unpolitical and more or les…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 02:01 AM
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Monoliths are not a monolith. Neither are woman, men nor autists. While indeed no law of nature prevents “high functioning autistic people” from learning social skills, firstly not all autist are high functioning and secondly there are great examples of high functioning autists who never learned social skills. Nikola Tesla had a romantic relationship to a pigeon and died a virgin. I guess he wasn’t too dumb to learn social skills, so there might be indeed some hurdles even for “high functioning …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 01:24 AM
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but if all you do is antagonize women over this shit, they're just going to hate you, or at least mock you. Sure, antagonising women is no solution. But antagonising men neither. I really appreciate you for bringing up the education example. It is a great example to illustrate how defensive many feminists are about women's position in society. I regularly bring up this example when discussing the position of men and women in society with feminists. And shockingly, the most common answer i get is…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 11:13 PM
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Finally someone got it… Furthermore we of course need to ban beds. Because it’s much more fun to bang on the kitchen counter. And we can’t have anything that doesn’t support maximal sexual pleasure.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 09:57 PM
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All women who are dating married men know the men are married and are only dating them because they are married. Of course this is too absolut. But in general i think you are pointing out a very interesting dynamic. Yes men cheating more often, logically means women are more often the part that is cheated on, but also cheated with. I think mate choice copying is more prevalent in women than men. This is pretty easily explained by many women supporting patriarchal gender norms (as well as many me…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 05:16 PM
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Right, one has to think pretty low of oneself to come up with such a conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 04:53 PM
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This phrasing was a bit weird i see. What i meant is that it’s not a lack of morals that leads to some (well bellow 5% i’d say) women liking the gangster stereotype. They actively are attracted to a men that breaks moral expectations. I can’t really say why they like that. It’s oftentimes just boiled down to “they like the danger”, but i guess what’s also relevant is the picture of a men who just takes what ever he wants without asking. I think it’s a mix out of a preference for danger and for t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 02:27 PM
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“Just be yourself” is the only viable dating advice at all. Maybe if someone doesn’t shower that can be pointed out to. But more precise one should not say “just be yourself” but “figure out who you are”. This step is the most essential one for two reasons actually. If you concentrate on the things you enjoy and are good in you have the best chance to get exceptionally good at something. And being exceptionally good at something opens you many doors in life. Let me give a silly example for this:…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 02:12 PM
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Ok, then you might just be pretty picky. I don’t think 10% is normal for men. If it works, good for you i guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 01:51 PM
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This has not much to do with morals. One can make the objective observation that men are on average sexually attracted to a bigger proportion of women the same age, than vice versa, without making any moral implications. And tbh i think even some red pillers (or maybe you would call em black pilled then, idk) would agree that it is not a moral flaw of woman to be sexually attracted to a smaller proportion of men than vice versa. This just gets accepted as a truism that can’t be changed anyways s…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 01:48 PM
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Yeah, that’s what i imagined too when i imagined a Dan. And therefore i think it’s a valid question why he is less successful than the stereotype of a gangster. I think this has much to do with the expectation on men to “dominate” their environment. Men who take risks (even if it’s criminal) are still perceived as taking things into their own hand and shaping the world to their needs rather than adapting to the world. Which can ultimately be boiled down to men being expected to behave in a mascu…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 01:28 PM
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This framing is soooo wrong… Women (only a small group of women) are not just “not concerned with morals” they actively chase men with a questionable moral status. They are attracted to the danger if you will so. This is something entirely else than just not caring about morals at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 01:08 PM
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Might it be possible that patriarchal gender norms are pretty important in determining if someone is a looser or not? Could you expand on what makes Dan a looser so only .0001% of woman are attracted to him? Is he a raging misogynist? Otherwise i think it’s weird that only .0001% of woman want this not bad looking dude with a nice carrier. I cant imagine any character traits which would justify that other than misogyny. And even with misogyny it’s questionable if it would be that small of a numb…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 01:03 PM
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Are you sure you’re not confusing sexual attraction to genuine attraction to the personality of another person? Are you really only being sexually attracted to 10% of woman? And if yes is it also exactly 10% of women you happen to be attracted to, for their character?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 12:56 PM
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As someone who is sapiophile i can confirm that it’s very possible for men to only be attracted to a small percentage of woman. I think we have to differentiate here between being sexually attracted to someone and being genuinely attracted to a person for other reasons than sexual desire. I’d say i am sexually attracted to round about 50% of woman my age. Which doesn’t mean, that i could imagine a relationship with 50% of woman my age. The real difference between men and woman lies in sexual att…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 12:50 PM
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How about just explaining why you expect people to become asexual on the third date? As i said almost all people wouldn’t go into a relationship if they knew there will be no sex at all. Also most women wouldn’t. Are all those people nefarious assholes, or might it be the case that you are just an outlier? Maybe you want no sex at all and therefore think other people should also want no sex as well. Which would be pretty hilarious.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 12:02 PM
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If you’re not even entertaining the idea of a relationship without sex by date 3, then relationships were always optional to you. Sex was the main goal. If you’re meaning with relationship “romantic relationship” here, you’re probably just asexual. Almost all people wouldn’t go into a relationship if they knew from the beginning that there will be no sex. If you mean relationship here like “friendship” i get the point. But thinking people get asexual because they like the character of another pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 01:14 AM
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Lol what? Where have i repeated anything? Btw i need more clarification on that. Seems like you’re bending the rules here a bit and i wanna now how much. Would it be a personal attack to say someone is trolling? Is it a personal attack to say someone argues in bad faith? And let me illustrate one case really explicitly here. If someone is speaking about a problem men have in dating, would it be a personal attack to say “you just wanna get your dick wet you fucking Incel”?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 09:48 PM
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Damn, this is deep. A true endorsement of the commoditisation of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 01:05 PM
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Doesn't mean discrimination, the same way that saying christians are wrong about god existing isn't discrimination. This is actually an extremely good example. Because you cant be sure you’re right. I am an atheist by choice. But i can’t proof that god don’t exist. I can only give a reasoning why i believe it is better to do not believe in god. What this also means is, i am no missionary. I do not try to convince other people that not believing in god is the better option. I give my reasoning on…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 12:45 PM
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Alright, then you’re not interesting to me. That the right has an insane complex about trans people is nothing that knocks my socks off. I mean you’re just another living example that instantly jumps in when it’s about trans people despite my TERF comment addressing you in no way.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 11:09 AM
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The funny part about this red pill babbling is that it is so trimmed to the individual, that it makes no sense at all if you apply it to the group of all young men. If we take female hypergamy as a given (this is much too simple, but for the sake of this argument lets assume that really all women are hypergamous), than it wouldn’t change a thing if all men collectively went up 50% in attractiveness over night. The standard would just change. The new chopped would be what a good 7 is today. Women…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 10:56 AM
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What are you talking about? As a men i can definitely have the stance that trans people should not get discriminated against. I am sorry to inform you that you are a disgrace to the whole left if you support TERF ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 10:37 AM
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I guess trans women care tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 10:27 AM
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TERF detected
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 10:19 AM
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so it's easy for them to date older and get a lot of social experience it will take men years to match Lol experiences like getting raped? Domestic violence rates in relationships are significantly higher in age gap relationships. Quite some women who date older in their early twenties regret that later on.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 07:53 AM
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How long it’s been that you’ve studied? I started 2018. So i had one year where it was pretty much like you described. But after covid a lot has changed. After covid there was like literally nothing going on anymore and most people stuck to themselves and didn’t even really made friends. Maybe this changed yet again and this was just the immediate years after covid, but college for me was pretty boring because of that. At least i lived life in the first year i guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 07:47 AM
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Posts like this make me actually sympathise a bit with the “we are worried about getting murdered you are worried about getting your dick wet” stance. There are many other things than just sexual activity that are influenced by gender norms. And they are definitely worth discussing. This isn’t a dating advice sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 07:32 AM
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Is it a personal attack to say someone is trolling? How else would you call intentionally misinterpreting idioms?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 11:45 PM
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Yeah. I fucking hate Stephen Miller with every bone in my body. But making fun of a men for his height, especially when he’s 1.75m (basically average) is not the way to go. This will just upset people for no reason. And it is also a bad look insulting people for their appearance when you could also assault them for their absolutely moronic statements and actions. It makes you look like you are too dumb to attack on substance.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/01/26 10:40 PM
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Feminists can have their own opinions on dating as everyone does, because it’s not an economic, political, or legal right Why do people not get that legal gender equality is basically achieved? Give me a list please of all the rights men have and women don’t. It’s gonna be a short list isn’t it?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 09:30 PM
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Yeah it’s pretty hillarious. I even saw feminists suggesting men should just reflect really hard how they themselves nurture the patriarchy and try to stop that. This would appeal the most to women. I mean if you’re giving dating advice like that you do not have to act outraged, when young men join TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 02:47 PM
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What are the economic, legal, and political rights that you think men don’t have and feminists should fight for? I mentioned already a legal gender equality issue in my OP which i acknowledge is a difficult topic cause feminists do have a reasonable stance on the draft overall. It’s just that it doesn’t get treated the same way other problems get treated that concern women. I know it’s pretty stigmatised but dating is actually the most straight forward example. The manosphere horribly fails to a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 02:25 PM
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Yes feminists sadly tend to do not get that with great power comes great responsibility. And feminism has almost absolute power over the gender equality narrative. So they also have the responsibility to really act on that principle. Which sadly they often don’t when it comes to mens problems.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/01/26 12:37 PM
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The goal is that women’s rights be equal to men’s rights. Hence EQUALITY. I understand the terminology. And i’d say also the concept of equality. Please correct me if i get something wrong here: My understanding of equality is that if we wanna accomplish equality between two (just to keep it simple, it applies also if we add more genders) groups, all factors that disadvantage one group are relevant and must be solved to accomplish equality. So if i got this right, it is a logical contradiction t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 09:25 PM
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Wanting rights for myself doesn’t mean I’m competing against anyone Ok yeah. But if you want rights for yourself it’s disingenuous to proclaim that gender equality is the goal. That’s basically what my post is about. Only wanting rights for yourself or also for one group is not standing on the principle of gender equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 08:55 PM
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Medicine was not really my point but ok. I think you have a point, but you’re also overly dramatic. And the most important thing is that men are not to blame for that. The pharma industry is. This is nothing where men could just act in a different way to fix this. If this status quo provides the most financial value to the shareholders of those companies you gonna have a hard time convincing them to do something else. But sure they should be pressured into compliance. And i am sure not only wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 08:05 PM
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It is obviously a competition when there are different lobby groups for every gender. Why wouldn’t one work together if it’s not a competition? This makes no sense to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 07:55 PM
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How is this post an excellent example of bashing feminism when i just summarise what feminists say themselves? The by far most common response when asking why feminists don’t care about a certain gender equality problem concerning men is that they don’t think it’s too important and men should fix it themselves. And if you take such a statement at face value this clearly states that gender equality is not a concern if something is deemed to be not important enough. To be blunt i believe that this…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 07:53 PM
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Ok cool. I guess just don’t say you want gender equality and everything is fine. Egalitarian movements will fill this ideological role and i think thats for the better.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 07:31 PM
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Is Hillary Clinton really a feminist figure now? Holy moly.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 07:24 PM
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it is to fight for gender equality in a way that makes women equal to men, what's so hard to understand This is actually very hard to understand because it logically contradicts the fact that feminists don’t want to work towards changing the draft. As long as the draft exists in its current form men and women will never be legally equal. So this is a direct contradiction of what you said here: equality in a way that makes women equal to men oh, you want equality? Then first solve my issues, give…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 07:20 PM
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Men can stand up for that fight if they wanted to. They have chosen not to. I don’t think that’s true. Of course many men helped to get society to this much more progressive state we live in now, compared to lets say 50 years ago. Undoubtedly women let the charge yes. But it’s not fair to say that men did nothing. But i was stressing something entirely else in the comment you are reacting to. I pointed out that feminists also choose to not stand for gender equality. They stand for women’s intere…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 07:08 PM
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Ok. But then it would be only fair to be open about what feminism really stands for. It’s not gender equality. Gender equality doesn’t care about if you feel like a problem is worth your time or not. Gender equality means that you care about all disparities in rights between genders. I like to compare this to racism. If you say your goal is to abolish racism, you can’t say that it’s not your business if someone discriminates against people from e.g. India, just because you don’t happen to concer…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 06:45 PM
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So yeah, the big problem with this generation is how men shift blame to women for not knowing how to attract women This is a very interesting statement. Considering that most women are not feminists and material wealth being certainly not unhelpful in dating, we must ask the following question: Is the advice that feminists give really the advice that maximises mens potential to get into a relationship with someone they like? Let me emphasise again that most women are not feminists, that’s recogn…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 05:59 PM
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And the dumbest excuse I hear is “well clearly he just didnt like her” which definitely proves that men’s dating problems are 99% self-inflicted I don’t think thats fair. I doubt that all women immediately end dates upon realising that they don’t like the other person. So why do you expect this from men? And how does the circumstance that some men are non- conversational on dates proves that 99% of mens problems are self inflicted? I can’t follow this chain of reasoning.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 05:36 PM
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I know I wouldn’t make any woman uncomfortable so I assume that there are others like me but I realize for every man like me there are 5 more to make her uncomfortable or SA her Sorry brother, but you just went down the rabbit hole in a rapid pace it seems. Let me clarify for you that indeed 83.3% (five out of six) of men are not going around SAing women for fun. If that were to be the case, in my view women would have every right to make generalisations about all men SAing women. But since this…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 01:41 PM
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Also, you need to ignore anyone even discussing whether six figures is excessive or not This is just moronic. Like an educated person you can look at actual data to build an opinion whether 100k is excessive or not. The median income for full time employees in the US is 63360$. About 17% of all full time employees earn more than 100k. Of those a significant portion is female and the age distribution is very likely skewed to the right. This quite obviously shows that for women in their twenties i…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 01:15 PM
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I honestly expect women who say men must make six figures, to have quite a low IQ. About 17% of all people of labor age in the US make 100k or more. In Germany it’s 7.5%. The median income for the US and Germany is $63360 and €52159 respectively. And obviously people who make more than 100k tend to be on the older side. So the vast majority of young people don’t even come close to 100k. I think instead of looksmaxxing to maybe get one of the handful of young attractive guys which make 100k+ a ye…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 01:03 PM
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I thought he was “extremely successful”? This would make him an outlier as well. Could you elaborate on what you mean by that? Did he sleep with many women, or is he rich, or what makes him “extremely successful”?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 12:37 PM
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What does women have to offer in comparison? Like a cunt doesn’t count, as even below average men can provide a cock as well which doesn't seem to count for you either.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 06:50 AM
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You say ones OLD pictures should answer most of those questions. Yet three out of the five points you mentioned are almost not answerable by NSFW pictures. Or can you give more concrete examples on how my OLD pictures should reflect on my job status, dick size and dating history?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 07:33 PM
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I am not questioning the general legitimacy of feminism. I am pointing out, how perpetuating made up “facts” is bad for one’s reputation. Especially if you frame yourself as an academic movement. If you present yourself to be a truth teller (and don’t get me wrong i don’t mean that negatively, feminism has important things to say) you have to be quite careful of what you’re saying. Especially if you wanna convince the masses and not just fish for some dipshits that only want easy answers.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 03:41 PM
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No it is an admittedly somewhat lengthy explanation why those specific two claims are wrong: -childless single women are the happiest demographic -about 30% of men would rape a women if they had the chance to do so without consequence I myself studied in social sciences so no it’s not the classic rant about social sciences.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 03:29 PM
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I fully agree, that this happens a lot with red pillers too. Even more so. The thing is, to me this seems less frustrating, because it is to be expected. And feminism has to loose more than the red pillers. If we compare feminism to the red pill, clearly the red pill is the fringe opposition societally. So i just expect feminists to do better. It isn’t a gotcha to point out that someone who’s always bullshitting is bullshitting. But if a group wants to come off as academically sound and level he…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 03:26 PM
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This is kinda obvious i think. Women are not even physically capable of having as many children as some men desire to have. So it’s pretty natural that the desired amount of offspring is on average higher for men. I never heard of a woman who desired to have 50 children. And of course there are not many men who want that either, but they exist. But the difference in mean values is not quite meaningful if it’s mainly driven by outliers. I’d assume that the median value is pretty equal. Probably s…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 02:59 PM
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To my knowledge it is not even fully understood what exactly determines the sex of a fetus. I mean sure the sex is determined by whether the fetus has XX or XY chromosomes, but what exact dynamic leads to XX or XY chromosomes isn’t known yet. There might be some biomechanical process we just not know yet, but until then we basically assume that it is just random. So this theory uses the unproven assumption that there is a genetic preposition influencing the probability whether your children will…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 02:20 PM
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I don’t think that is quite accurate. From my experience men who are truly misogynistic have no problem with showing that. They also don’t frame themselves as victims necessarily. What often happens is that they frame themselves as heroes who fight against the woke mob. I see much more often that misandrists are trying to rationalise their behaviour than mysoginists. Misogynists just admit that they think men are worth more than women. Misandrists will tell you some shit about the patriarchy and…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 01:24 PM
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Please never go into a relationship with a men. Th poor fella would shoot himself a few days in.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 01:01 PM
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But what’s your solution? You can’t just prohibit men from founding new businesses. This would be economic suicide. Women should just found more businesses if they want more female business owners. Just because men chose to become entrepreneur’s at higher rates than women doesn’t mean in any way, that women are oppressed. There are literally no dynamics which prohibit woman from founding. This is like some scholar who never does their homework complaining that other scholars get better grades. Y…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 12:41 PM
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I’d argue women have it easier when it comes to dating in general. Also for finding a meaningful relationship. That doesn’t mean it’s straight up easy for women, but women just get much more attention in that regard. So they just have more opportunities and have to do less for the opportunities. This is of course not only a good thing. This attention can be and often is unwanted. But it makes dating in general easier. I think it’s important to acknowledge this, since it has quite a few implicati…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 09:44 AM
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Well, getting sexually aroused by someone taking your phone and unfollowing some people is a gendered thing i suppose. I can’t imagine any men getting this kind of joy out of that. Men normally just accept their possessive gf not embrace this trait of her.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 08:36 AM
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Depends on how you define “radfem”. If we go by the official meaning a radical feminist is someone who wants to abolish all gender norms. A big part of the whole feminist movement subscribed to that idea. But certainly not all of them (i’d argue certainly not even a majority) is also biphobic. It’s undeniable, that biphobic ideas exist within feminism, but it’s more of a fringe position. In my eyes feminism as a whole can only be blamed for not pushing back hard enough against those ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 08:21 AM
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I can't say I've ever run into any significant biphobia You are quite uninformed then. There are streams of feminism which center around lesbianism and declare attraction towards men as inherently suspect and nurturing the patriarchy. This is of course just a small group within feminism, but it also is just one of the most extreme examples. There exist plenty of similar, but mostly less extreme streams in feminism. The notion that men just care about the male gaze and therefore care so little ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 02:35 PM
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That’s just my personal experience. I should have said that. I doubt that there are any official statistics on this matter. My perspective is probably biased, since i interact more with feminists than with conservative women. And it is quite possible that stereotyping about bi men is more common among conservative women than feminists. But nevertheless i am concerned about how often i witnessed this behaviour by self proclaimed feminists. It undermines the whole idea of abolishing gender norms, …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 01:53 PM
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Nobody has to spend anything on beauty products. If you’re broke because you bought to much mascara, just say that. If you can’t pull a men without smearing a fortune in your face, well, sad for you. But that’s really not my problem. Maybe just buy less makeup if you can’t afford to go on dates otherwise. It’s pretty straight forward. Should women pay the bill if the dude wears a rolex? He clearly spent so much to impress his date, it would be wild to make him pay his half right?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 01:32 PM
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First of all, not all bi’s are bottoms. Dating a bi men doesn’t necessarily means dating someone who sucks dicks. The comparison between having a preference for not wanting to date people who suck dick and not wanting to date people who sleep around is kinda interesting tho. They are similar in the regard that many people think it’s ok when they do it, but not ok if a certain other group does it. So both cases are strongly tied to gender stereotypes. What personally gets me triggered is when fem…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 01:19 PM
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Well there are women who do more than just refusing to sleep with you. There certainly are women who talk crap about bi men. And unfortunately they are oftentimes feminists. For some feminists it’s their most beloved bs argument to claim men hate women to the point where they turn gay. Being bi is seen as being corrupted, as being anti- women. It’s a shame that those who wanna dismantle gender norms all together are at the forefront when it comes to stereotyping about bi men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 12:57 PM
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I am aware of Paul Dolan’s study that pretty much sparked the “single women are the happiest demographic” myth. This study was extremly flawed in its methodology as Dolan admitted himself later. What exists are studys that show that on average single women are happier than single men. But i am not aware of a study other then the flawed Dolan study, which even attempts to compare the happiness of single/taken men/women. I’m not your fucking junior. Right. You are someone who can’t provide evidenc…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 01:01 PM
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Can you please quote one of those statistics?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 12:02 PM
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But this would mean they manouvered themselves into a position where they can’t say anymore that e.g. slut shaming is a bad thing. As a bi men i don’t really agree that it benefits women to stereotype about bi men. Just as it doesn’t benefit men to slut shame women. I actually think bi men are on average the better partners for straight progressive women, because they naturally don’t support traditional gender roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 11:45 AM
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The goal of it to my understanding has never been to erase all gender roles, but rather to allow people free choice when and how and which gender roles they take on That is not quite correct. Radical feminism does state exactly that as its goal. That’s why they’re also called gender abolitionists, because their official goal is to abolish all gender norms. So it is clearly hypocritical if a radfem dislikes bi men. And i guess most of them do not. But it is just really easy to attack those who do…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 11:35 AM
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Men are somewhat more likely to be socially isolated than women. They are more likely to say that they are “not meaningfully part of any group/community,” for example. Yeah i read the article. And it confirms my notion. How people self reportedly feel about their social situation is another pair of shoes.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 12:06 PM
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I don’t agree with the assessment that women are more lonely than men. I think there are less women who are socially isolated than men. But i get where you are going with this statement. Many women might have large friend groups. But women tend to be quite competitive with each other and throw their “friends” quicker under the bus than you can say “loneliness epidemic”. Year long friendships break down, because some guy hit on some women's friend. Some women never expirience genuine friendship, …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 11:55 AM
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Not only thar but young women are actually more lonely than men. They just don't really complain about it. How comes that? I always thought women have god like social skills and large diverse circles of friends. Btw is it young womens fault, and are they responsible themselves, that they are even more lonely than young men? I guess not right? That is the fault of the patriarchy am i right? And one more question. If young women are more lonely than young men, but complain less about it, does that…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 11:38 AM
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are all meant to emphasize my natural beauty and femininity while performing for whatever the current directives of the patriarchy are Why do you do a 50 step beauty/fashion routine to appeal to the directives of the patriarchy? I guess for you physical attractiveness is much more of a competition than for me. I can’t imagine spending so much time to take care of my physical appearance. And that is true for many other men who i know. Sure hygiene goes without saying. And some basic fashion skill…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 11:35 PM
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I think this perspective is one that only applies to younger people broadly spoken. People may have ups and downs in their relative physical attractiveness compared to a group of other people in the same age. The dude you were attracted to as a teenager might have been above average as a teenager, below average in his 20s and might be above average in his 30s again. As the reference shifts people may have ups and downs. And naturally the physical attractiveness of people decreases over time comp…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 10:44 PM
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What do you do to make sure you satisfy the male gaze? How do you make sure that you prioritise a mens “pleasure and enjoyment”? Maybe we all can learn from you how to appeal to esch other.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 10:23 PM
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It is kinda embarrassing how hard you try to blame men as a collective for all things that happen to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 09:54 PM
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It is indeed translated with ai yes. Does this invalidate any of the points i made?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 09:50 PM
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This post is a textbook example of starting with a conclusion and then reverse-engineering a narrative to justify it. The core claim that straight men’s dating profiles are “curated for the male gaze” rests on a series of deeply flawed assumptions about motivation, attraction, and gender socialization. First, a profile that is not optimized for what you imagine to be the “female gaze” does not logically imply that men are trying to impress other men, nor that they “do not care” whether they attr…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 09:42 PM
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Where am I generalizing about incels? What are you ranting off about now? I see you’re struggling to grasp comparisons. Let me calm you down: you said nothing about incels. All good. I just made a so called comparison. This is when you point out similarities between two distinct situations. The point i made is that generalisations about feminists and about incels are similar in that regard, that they are common. Most of the time they aren’t meant literal. Just as someone who says “incels are awk…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 10:32 PM
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I think the answer is definitely. If i wouldn’t masturbate at all i’d go crazy at some point and spent all my free time trying to get my dick wet. This is a horrible scenario in my eyes. I probably would be so desperate that i’d go for the first women who shows any interest no matter if she seems like a good match or not. This is a recipe for drama and unnecessary struggle that i can simply avoid by fapping from time to time. Desperation helps a lot to find anyone at all. But not to find someone…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 03:00 PM
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I’d say something like “i don’t need a women”, but only people who are really bitter would ever say stuff like that am i right?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 02:45 PM
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anyone saying something so sweeping and self-pitying isn’t being rational and level-headed. It’s very clearly a hyper-emotional statement full of exaggeration for someone living in the west to claim either gender is “the ones that are truly discriminated against”. Those are your words. So please spare me the bs that my comparison isn’t valid here. It totally is and you confirmed that already by admitting, there are feminists who do that. Sure “the entire movement of feminism” was hyperbolic, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 02:01 PM
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Here we go again… Girl everyone told you last time already that the same is true for not wanting exclusivity. You should communicate in both instances. Everyone will now again tell you exactly that and you will be unhappy with the responses and therefore post the exact same thing again in a week.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 01:34 PM
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“The whole feminist movement” was a bit hyperbolic on my part that is correct. But rad fems and intersectionalists make up a majority of feminists nowadays. So the majority of feminists claim women in western societies are still oppressed. I have to admit that it would be correct to say “a majority” or “big parts” of feminism aren’t rational. The thing is the actions of a loud majority will determine how a movement is seen. Not a handful of quiet academics. So i guess you have to live with those…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 01:26 PM
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Every women you met in your life gave back that energy? Astonishing. In what kind of paradise do you life?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 12:41 PM
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Saying there are isolated instances where women oppose mens rights is silly as fuck. Big parts of online feminism are openly misandrist. Some of them would like to kill all men. Feminism is all for the massively unfair situation regarding child custody and financial obligations due to divorces. Feminists say they think the draft is unfair, but only take action when there is the possibility of women getting drafted. And btw there exist conservative women too. You frame it like only conservative m…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 12:32 PM
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I simply went with the number from the OP. I agree that 1% is probably exaggerated. But this doesn’t change much about my statement. If it’s 99%, 90% or 80% doesn’t really change the fact that women are not into the majority of men. And this is explained due to hypergamy. I don’t know how i demonise anyone by stating this fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 12:19 PM
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Since you seem to be a well of knowledge about feminism and i’m just a silly boy talking on the internet, please explain the concept of male allyship to me. To my knowledge especially in intersectional and radical circles feminists are pretty set on men being allys if anything - not fully fledged members of the movement. The reasoning given for that most often is that men are the oppressive gender and therefore can’t be a part of the liberation. At least not as a fully fledged member of the move…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 10:28 PM
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you are making up gotcha bullshit comments and putting them in my mouth instead of listening and seeking places where we might find common ground. Speaking of putting words in others peoples mouths: But no, I don’t buy your exaggerated and unproductive gotcha claim that all feminists believe that western white women are the most oppressed people of all time. I never said that feminists claim that “western white women” are the “most oppressed people of all time”. That would be pretty silly consid…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 10:11 PM
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Wait, so everyone who says women are oppressed by men i our society is clearly not level headed and rational? This would mean that the whole movement of feminism is not level headed nor rational.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 12:54 PM
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That’s a good point. Only individuals can ultimately be held accountable therefore the concept of accountability cannot really be applied to a whole group. But i don’t really know how to word it another way. I guess you could say this is about how generalised critique of men/women gets handled. But this doesn’t really capture that there might be different societal expectations how men versus women should handle critique. At least in a dating context i think there is some valid critique on female…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 11:52 PM
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I see that it is clearly selective perception on my part. I can’t really argue against the fact that there are many men who will get fully defensive about age gap relationships. And of course there are women who acknowledge financial hypergamy as questionable behaviour. I talked to many liberals or actually most of the time leftists about this. I am a leftist myself so i naturally am in this bubble. And there i noticed this asymmetrical behaviour quite a bit. Critique on men gets validated even …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 11:20 PM
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I live in pretty liberal circles which might explain my different observations on how my examples being perceived. In more conservative circles i can imagine that the “socially accepted” responses to my examples shifts quite a bit. But even if what i am saying is only true for liberal circles it’s worth discussing i think. It’s important for liberals to be aware that promoting asymmetrical accountability can be seen as hypocritical. If you promote asymmetrical accountability you need a pretty go…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 10:58 PM
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What this article really argues is that the pew data is inconsistent with the latest GSS data. The headline of the article is very biased since no one knows for sure which data fits reality better. And furthermore has GSS also measured huge gaps in the past. 25 percentage point gaps are also quite common in the GSS data. Just not for the latest survey. But there is no real reason to believe the GSS data reflects reality better than the pew data. But yeah it is important to point out that there e…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 09:21 PM
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Is it a mother’s job to make sure her daughter doesn’t gain her self- confidence from relationships to men? And if yes why are so many mothers failing at that job? Or is it indeed the job of someone’s son to make women feel self worthy?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 08:53 PM
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I don’t really see how this response is childish. Would it be more mature to tell her that she should just work on her personality to attract more guys? I think the response is actually quite funny. Women tell men all the time that they don’t need em, or that they are oppressors, etc. So if a woman expresses her disappointment on not getting approached saying stuff like “wouldn’t you choose the bear anyway?” just points out that the behaviour of women as a collective is a big reason why she’s no…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 08:45 PM
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But statistics which make men look bad should still be cited, right? Can we just concentrate on the objective reality and play the blame game another day? We are totally fucked as a society when objective truth can not be communicated anymore if it reflects badly on certain groups. The moment you are offended by objective reality should really make you think…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 08:36 PM
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I did not equate anything. I pointed out why it’s stupid to look at other species and assume their behaviour is also normal for humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 08:31 PM
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I disagree. A system is fair when there is equality of opportunity. This is neither the case for dating nor for the job market. According to you the gender pay gap is totally fair. Nobody forces women to take on lower paid jobs. They do this voluntarily. But it’s very short sighted to frame it like that. And the same goes for dating. As long as there are groups who do significantly better than other groups dating isn’t fair. That every system based on supply and demand is a fair system is a lie …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 08:24 PM
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Mh well. It is normal as well that female members of a species are pregnant like all the time. Or at least once a year. That is because as soon as they become fertile the male members of the species will just “rape” them at will. I guess nobody’s advocating for that totally normal behaviour. And looks like it’s after all not normal for humans. At least not anymore. So if men can overcome their natural programming to just rape any female they can get their hands on, women can overcome their natur…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 01:25 PM
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Alright. Do you know what else is fair by this logic? Wages. Nobody is forced to do a certain job. Only if you want that job and someone wants to give you that job you can do that job. Real wages increased far less than real GDP over the last 30 years. That means workers get a much smaller portion of newly generated wealth than 30 years ago. But according to you this is totally fair. If they want higher wages they just have to quit their jobs with low wages right? I guess it’s pretty clear now, …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 01:19 PM
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I don't know what that percentage is, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if it's roughly the same as the percentage of people who feel same-sex attraction This isn’t quite comparable, since same sex attraction is pretty much set in stone and a preference for older men can dwindle over time. I’d expect women in their early twenties to have a much higher rate of preference for older men, then women in their fourties. I am not to sure about this, but i actually think the rate of young women who hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 10:20 PM
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This is very valid. But the implication of this is that you really have to dig deep and spend quite some time educating yourself to have any meaningful opinion on any gender related issue. And unfortunately most people don’t spend the appropriate amount of time educating themselves before having an opinion. Actually me included. I quite regularly find myself embarrassed at a stance i held in a discussion after learning more about the topic. But everyone should at least try to reflect objectively…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 09:54 PM
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“Women are not into men” and “women are not into 99% of men” has basically the same consequence. At least for 99% of people. What does it say about women to only be attracted to 1% of men? It says almost all women are hypergamous. Many don’t like to hear it, but there is jo point in denying the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 10:33 AM
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Doesn’t that story kinda sufgest that women are into status and not into men? Those ladys think it’s that important that there men is in the 1% that they are fine with being his second option. This story will only convince people further who say women are not into men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 10:17 AM
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People who pay for dating apps in general are a insignificant minority sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 11:31 AM
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I think everyone who has ever seen any movie knows all those things. But i am not gonna make a clown out of myself just to impress women. If i am with a women not making any decisions because she wants me to boss her around this massively gives me the ick. I am gonna ask for consent before sex each time. If this males me not man enough for some women they can fuck right off.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 11:26 AM
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The cheating example works just fine. First of all there are statistics that show women cheat more. And furthermore you are assuming that men and women change topics at the exact same rate. This is pretty unlikely. If either women or men change topics only slightly more often, by your own logic changing topics would be a gendered thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 11:11 AM
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There are women who pay for the height filter. What are 30 bucks a month if you never have to deal with manlets again?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 11:02 AM
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As many others pointed out. It is ridiculous to say women would’t value consensual experiences they had. While most women got molested in some form only a minority of all women actually got raped. So most women don’t even have the experience you say all women are reminiscent about. I think the proportions of men and women who like cnc are roughly equal. And i think the reason why some women like it is not because they crave a past experience they had, but rather are turned on by bringing the mos…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 12:44 PM
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I mean it depends on what you read. There are literally authors for dark romance books who publish 50+ books a year. You can imagine what that says about the quality of those texts. I’d say reading those books does absolutely nothing for your education. And that’s one of the most favoured genre of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 12:19 PM
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Sure, claiming the male loneliness epidemic is caused by feminism is pretty short sighted. Social isolation of women drastically increased as well. I’d argue it’s pretty obvious, that the internet is the main reason for that. 30 years ago the only thing you could do while socially isolated is reading. Nowadays you can binge watch Netflix or play video games. So the perceived drawback of being socially isolated got less extrem. You can still have fun while being socially isolated. But if we look …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 11:48 AM
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Sure alright. But claiming the unfair treatment of men in the legal system isn’t a conspiracy (which is true), but neglecting that it is systemic discrimination is kinda weird. Especially if you’re claiming that you’re only being descriptive. It feels like you wanna relativize this discriminatory behaviour. Like congrats on figuring out it’s not a conspiracy, but unfortunately you failed to figure out what it actually is.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 03:59 PM
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Not all men desire the same thing in a woman. If you’re 35 and actively hit on 20 yo’s, then you probably desire physical attractiveness above all else. There is not much to argue about the fact that 20-25 yo women tend to be the most attractive. But a 35 yo men who is in a happy relationship with a 35 yo women probably prefers maturity and experience in a women over pure looks. This means 20-25 yo women are not per se the most desirable. But they are the most desirable demographic for men who o…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 03:48 PM
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Well then i certainly don’t have to explain internalised racism/sexism to you. It is very possible for your demographic to be racist/sexist as well. But i gotta say i am surprised that you as a poc hold this position. You don’t see that every day. You want to be sentenced more harshly because poc as a group are over represented in the crime statistic. Are you also ok with racial profiling? Is this just a reasonable policing practise? People should get never judged for their ethical background or…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 03:35 PM
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You said you see it the same way for poc. So you are indeed consistent. But also racist and sexist as i just pointed out.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 02:53 PM
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The key issue is the principle of individualization. If men receive harsher sentences ceteris paribus, meaning for the same offense, the same criminal history, and the same sentencing guidelines, then a group level characteristic is influencing sentencing despite being irrelevant to individual culpability. That is exactly what we would immediately identify as racism if it occurred with race. Drawing inferences about an individual based on statistical patterns of their group, whether consciously …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 02:46 PM
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If we say there is nothing morally wrong with it and most women just don’t have it in them, then we’d have to say also most women who do it don’t have it in them. Among porn actresses drug abuse and suicide rates are off the charts. Maybe, after all there is something wrong with making money out of fulfilling the weirdest desires of some creeps. Maybe that’s not particularly healthy for your psyche. And self destructive behaviour can be seen as morally questionable.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 11:31 AM
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Is it also not a conspiracy against poc that they get comparably harder sentences? They have on average a more pronounced criminal history than whites. This is an absolutely slippery slope. I’d consider you to be a racist if you say black people deserve harsher sentences because they on average have a more pronounced criminal background. So therefore you are clearly a sexist if you argue men deserve harder sentences because they on average have a more pronounced criminal background. Don’t concer…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 11:21 AM
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I guess it’s a bit like with homosexuality. Those who speak out the loudest against it are quite often homosexual themselves but don’t want to admit it. They envy those who are open about it and therefore feel the need to put them down. If you’re really sure about not wanting kids you just don’t interact with the topic parenthood at all. But if you’re not sure that not having kids is the right choice, you feel the need to constantly validate your decision by e.g. consuming compilations of kids d…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 11:00 AM
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This is the shittiest of shit posts is saw on this sub so far. Take this pile of shit as a reward: 💩
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 10:46 AM
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If we’re completely honest here confidence often means being delusional. And women know that best. They lie all the time to each other how they are “the prettiest girl”. It is quite funny to see someone calling out another persons delusion while being absolutely delusional themself. Confidence is only a good thing as long as you can back it up. And unwarranted confidence is much more accepted for women than for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 10:30 AM
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Why do you choose to only learn from red pilled men? Most men don’t give you the “she fucked chad on the first date so i want that too” bullshit. If you are a right winger all good. Just do your mentally deranged thing. But if you happen to see yourself as an progressive you should definitely stop trying to mimmic red pillers.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 10:18 AM
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Your post is about rage baiting. And the other comenter is completly right. Just go for a conservative men who pays all your shit and leave us progressive men alone with your weeping about feeling only worthy if he pays your shit. No one forces you to pay anything. Go ahead make a scene in the restaurant that you will not pay because he paid for stacy too. The people in the restaurant will believe you are retarded maybe rightfully so. And the guy you dated will hopefully pay his stuff and run.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 10:03 AM
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What’s interesting is that this man isn’t just women’s ideal. He’s everyone’s ideal. This can be summed up as women wanting a partner with high social status and men don’t. But everyone wants high social status for themselves. So mens ideals for a partner are clashing with women's ideals for themselves. Vice versa this is not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 03:27 PM
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I actually just wanna point out how stupid your claim is, that single mothers are proof for women being victims of society. As i wrote in another comment quite the opposite is the case. Single mothers are only possible because women are financially independent from men nowadays. It was a sign of female oppression that women had to stay in abusive relationships to survive. So them not staying in unhealthy relationships is a sign of female empowerment. Therefore single mothers are by no means a pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 03:16 PM
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It seems as though the "alpha male" life revolves purely around sex, where the value of a man is directly correlated with his ability to have sex. Tbf, this is to be expected when adopting an analogy that revolves around pack dynamics (the Alpha wolf is the one that has the most sex after all). And there even is a label for a strong men who doesn’t cares about sex - the sigma. But in general i fully agree with the notion that is says pretty much about you if you compare yourself voluntarily to s…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 03:05 PM
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Because u/LillthOfBabylon posts a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 02:54 PM
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Girl, you make no sense at all. We all agree that it was an oppressive situation, when women couldn’t leave unhealthy relationships. A women staying with an abusive men was a sign of female oppression. So single mothers are quite the opposite of a proof that women are victims of society. Single mothers are proof for the empowerment of women. Single mothers are only possible because women are financially independent from men nowadays. Someone breaking up with you makes you in no way shape or form…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 02:50 PM
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So single mothers are proof of women being victims of society? How comes that? Am i a victim of society too if my ex broke up with me?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 02:42 PM
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Women are no monolith! All men just want a hot gf to brag about! Classic u/LillthOfBabylon post
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 12:22 PM
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Is this really a thing? Are there so many women out there who wanna marry but their partnera don’t? I always thought nowadays women don’t need men anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 12:13 PM
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I never said something against pushing for your ideals. I said something against fighting for them. Because if you declare yourself to be fighting, you are not open to constructive discourse that might involve your group being critiqued. Make love not war seems pretty fitting here. But have constructive discourse not war would also be a huge leap in the right direction. But when everyone’s fighting the only thing that happens is everyone getting hurt. Might sound a bit melo dramatical, but i thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 02:22 PM
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This is so spot on. If women commit to a relationship they should clearly sell out to the highest bidder. Profit maximisation should be taught in like 8th grade so all women are prepared to set up only fans accounts when they turn 16. Hell, why aren’t women auctioning themselves off already? Wouldn’t that be the best solution? Elon Musk can get a harem and no woman sells herself bellow a fair market price anymore. What a dream scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 01:13 PM
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I do know that yes. I mentioned indians because the OP does as well. Me not mentioning other groups that got oppressed in the past doesn’t mean i am denying their existence. And as i said, in a situation where a minority is oppressed fighting for this minorities equality is warranted. But when the systemic oppression is solved, the partisan approach must be stopped and discussions have to be held in a bipartisan manner. We solved legal gender equality and equality of opportunity between genders.…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 12:45 PM
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The problem with this take is, that feminists would be insanely hypocritical if we accept that you have to read the subtext. Take “women chase chad” for example. Almost all feminists fully reject this statement and would never consider this to be just an allegorical vent about female hypergamy. Female hypergamy is a real thing. There are countless studies on this topic. So you can’t cry about people not interpreting your hyperbolic statements in good faith if you yourself don’t interpret hyperbo…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 12:20 PM
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This post is just pathetic rage bait. Saying autists should just learn social skills is like saying women should not complain about the GPG but just learn to make money. Explaining that people were shitty to you in your childhood is not an excuse to be shitty to people who are not shitty I like the mental gymnastics on that one. Who determines who is shitty or not? This seems pretty subjective. So you keep yourself the option that being shitty is fine, as long as you deem the people you are shit…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 11:21 AM
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“Men’s rights activists are a male supremacist movement…” Nice start to the article. Do you also read Ben Shapiro, if you wanna inform your self on Palestinians? What you shared is obviously very biased horse shit. Please grow a brain.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 11:07 AM
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This post misses one extremely important point. When women and indians were second class citiziens it was righteous of them to stand up and fight for their rights. But just because you want to change something doesn’t mean you should fight for it. Men are not oppressed as women and indians were. This is something many feminists don’t get. Women aren’t oppressed anymore so fighting is the wrong thing to do. Cooperation would be much more helpful to achieve something now. But feminists most often …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 11:04 AM
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No validating means to give those feelings credit. It means saying they are valid. So you cant validate someones feelings and disagree with those feelings at the same time. That makes no sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 10:49 AM
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But you do get, that wanting to make a lot of money yourself and wanting someone to just finance you a nice life, are to very distinct things right? Women get rarely critiqued for wanting to make money. They get critiqued for wanting someone to just gift them money.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 10:41 AM
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You simply ignore that there are A LOT of women who do not quietly accept the stuff you mentioned. You literally said cat calling 12 yo’s is just an unfortunate fact of life no one bothers to call out. This is of course extremely wrong. You denying reality at this point. Men get called out for a lot of things. And parts of feminism completely demonise men. They tell you all men are oppressive pigs that would rape their own daughters if they’re bored enough. So yeah get that notion that women qui…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 10:34 AM
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The second point is all you need to show the hypocrisy. And the sad part is most women did get rejected in the past. Not necessarily in the same way men get rejected, but i’d say most women had at least one situation in their life where they made pretty obvious advances and the guy didn’t act on it. It’s a bit more indirect, but i’d still consider this rejection. And i guess most women wouldn’t wanna stay friends after they tried to shift things romantically for a while but failed. So i’d say al…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 10:32 PM
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How comes that? Isn’t it just normal behaviour to let people speak for themselves?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 03:42 PM
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I am pretty divorced from traditional masculinity that’s right. Who are you afraid of that you need some cowboy who protects you? And why aren’t you learning to use weapons yourself if you’re so concerned? A men with a Glock is just as dangerous as a woman with a Glock. I’d argue you have absolutely no rational need for a protector. You just like the idea of such a dude. And that’s totally fine. But don’t expect that many men will fulfil this completely unnecessary role.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 01:53 PM
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Sure, i am completely with you, that the unadjusted wage gap (23%) is a number that doesn’t mean much. Women work part time significantly more often which of course leads to smaller wage increases over time compared to someone who works full time. This and many other factors must be statistically accounted for to arrive at the number which truly just reflects labor market discrimination. You claimed in your OP that this follow up study found this value to sit at 1% (which directly contradicts th…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 01:29 PM
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So being loyal and being protective is the same thing? Why do you not just say you want a loyal partner, when this is your concern? Maybe i am not quite getting it yet, so imma clarify with an example. scenario: A friend of your bf talks bad about you to your bf while you are absent. scenario: A friend of your bf talks bad about you to your bf while you are present. When your bf defends you in both scenarios i think only in the second one we could call this behaviour protective. In the first sce…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 12:49 PM
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I agree with you that feminists tend to concern themselves with non existing problems (e.g. menspreading) and tend to ignore huge leaps in the solutions of certain problems to not take away from the relevance of those problems. Both is disingenuous behaviour, that should be critiqued. But you also have to be careful to not declare problems non existent, just because you don’t understand them. The GPG is a problem you didn’t quite understand. You just searched for a paper that gives a number as l…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 12:18 PM
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What does “protective” mean? Who or what endangers you that you’d need protection? And is the average men able to protect you from that? Or is this after all just a buzz word for “a buff dude who at least looks like he’d win fights”?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 11:48 AM
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Did you always communicate right away that you are bi? I had several first dates where i did this and noticed how the vibe fell off pretty hard after that. And i only date women who seem to be progressive.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 11:41 AM
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I know women for whom this is not true at all. But i gotta agree, that this is a valid observation for many young women. They are so used to men simping for them, that they feel like it’s normal to get romantic gestures and return the favour by just existing. They feel like they don’t have to put any effort in a relationship because they have all the options. Later on those are the women who become lonely cat ladys, cause when their looks fade they don’t even have the skills required to appeal t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 11:23 AM
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Egalitarianism might be the answer yes. Unfortunately feminism makes the problem even bigger. Feminism is explicitly set up to favour the problems of one gender over the other. That was necessary, while women were much more heavily oppressed. But nowadays where we argue about household chores and not about martial rape being legal or womens right to vote, feminism is actually harmful. Because nowadays it is not helpful anymore to set up a situation, where men and women are inclined to work separ…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 12:26 PM
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Do 13 yo boys or girls are fawning about getting married? I guess it’s pretty obvious which gender is more desperate for relationships. I know quite some women who can’t even handle being single. When their relationships fail, they will go into the next one right away and even admit they need to be in a relationship to feel self worthy. Of course this is purely anecdotal and there might also exist men who operate in such a way. But to me this behaviour seems much more typical for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 12:13 PM
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There is absolutely nothing wrong in wanting a partner with resources, if you provide a roughly equal amount of resources as well. I understand not wanting to decrease your own standard of living because you’re dating someone. I talked about financial hypergamy. That means you want a partner that provides more resources than you do. And this is very questionable in my eyes. If you want a partner to uplift your standard of living, you are not looking for a partner, but just for money. This is unh…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 12:04 PM
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I agree that women and men can have preferences and set those as standards. And most preferences are absolutely fine. If you only want an extremely attractive partner, go for it. If you want a partner that is amount x taller or smaller than you, all power to you. I for my part am sapiophile which is a preference that heavily restricts my dating pool. But there are a few preferences i think should be seen far more critical. Older men wanting young women is seen pretty critically for good reasons.…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 01:57 PM
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Lol yeah just go ahead and completely ignore the fact that there are people who are introverts. Nah introverts don’t exist. They just hate other people. You should get a batch for figuring that one out. Are you a detective or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 01:40 PM
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That doesn't exist liberals. You wouldn't know because you don't bother to learn anything. They're all far left communists. We know due to polls in university departments such as the philosophy or the humanities department or whatever. Get a grip bro. I know in the states “communist” is a common insult, but from a European perspective you sound like a rambling grandpa. Maybe two university departments (or what ever) are not quite representative of the whole left movement. You could bother to lea…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 01:32 PM
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Everytime i have to defend boomers i am a bit hesitant to do that because yes they fucked up pretty hard. But dating is not one of those topics you can blame on boomers. Your notion that boomers should have taught the younger generation how to adapt to the media age is ridiculous. I know boomers who can’t even write emails. How should they teach me anything about the media age? They’re 10 times as lost as i am. They just ramble about the good old times with nuclear families and shit when asked f…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 01:10 PM
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Lol, describing that dude as “a bit above average looking” is bonkers…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 04:38 PM
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Why would young men encourage age gap relationships? Those are the main reason why young men are significantly more often single than young women. So it’s definitely in the interest of young men to call out age gap relationships. Young women often frame themselves as so much more mature than young men. This is total horse shit in like 90% of cases. So young women should figure out how things are going with young men. But a significant number of young women opts out of that and chooses to date ol…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 02:41 PM
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And yet many women yell “you have no say in whom a woman should or shouldn’t date” if a man points out that young women shouldn’t date significantly older men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 02:27 PM
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Why? They never decided it was a relationship. If he cared, he would have asked for a relationship. If the guy cared so fucking much, he should say it. Have you ever asked someone for a relationship? And if no does that mean you never cared about a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 02:21 PM
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If you just wanna fuck around with your roster of guys that’s totally cool. But then you have the duty to put a label on it. If you’re dating someone for months but still wanna fuck other guys it’s totally obvious that you’re by no means looking for a relationship. Make that clear. Put the label “non exclusive” on it and you’re good to go. It’s all about honesty. But when you’re dating for months the other person might actually think it’s taking a turn towards a relationship. The honest thing to…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 01:25 PM
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And let me guess, it’s always the men who needs to put a label on it right? Because you’re just a devot little girl who wants to get conquered? If two people are dating for months and not putting a label on it, chances are high, that both just wanna fuck. But you make this all about men and the evil manosphere.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 01:07 PM
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Yeah you don’t have to be an asshole to be interesting. You can be interesting for another reason. But for many men being an asshole (and therefore a beast to be tamed) is the most easy and convenient way to make yourself interesting. If you’re interesting for another reason, there is no problem with being nice. But if you’re not interesting being nice makes it even harder to make yourself appeal to young women. Because it makes you even less interesting than you are by default.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 12:57 PM
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Sure if we only speak about this small group of pathologically lying men, i get your point. You can’t just become one of them (it’s actually hard to do for normal people) and you really shouldn’t want to be one. But i think the “nice guy” thing is about something different. You basically classify men into pathological liars and nice guys, but there is much in between. Many women often give the advice to men “just be a decent person”. And that is valuable dating advice if you’re older than 35. Bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 12:38 PM
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It’s not that simple. Of course you shouldn’t pursue a relationship with someone you dislike. But first of all it can be tricky to immediately see a person for what they really are, and furthermore one can have quite exotic preferences that basically restrict you from ever having a relationship if you’re not really lucky. I am sapiophile, which from my perspective heavily restricts my dating pool. And this isn’t an insult to women in any way. I just made the experience, that most women choose to…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 12:20 PM
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And even tho, when i as a men say “young women shouldn’t date significantly older men” i get told by feminists to stfu and don’t tell women who they may date or not. So there is a pretty big hypocrisy going on. If a woman tells another woman that she shouldn’t date older guys, that’s ok and will probably be seen as constructive advice. But when a men says it, the “i don’t let any men tell me what to do” reflex kicks in, even tho it is constructive advice regardless of who is giving it. It is jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 12:30 PM
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I do think young women are basically children. Just as young men are. And i think inexperienced young adults should figure out how relationships work together. Many young women say crap along the lines: “young men are just so immature. I need someone with experience”. But they themselves are immature and really need someone without experience, so they don’t get played like a fidel. But it’s pretty normal to frame young men as the immature gender and many young women have an absolutely laughable …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 12:16 PM
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Either you’re being disingenuous, or you have no idea what you’re talking about. Most criminal offences men commit are property or drug related as well. Just because men make up a big proportion of violent crime offenders doesn’t mean most crimes men commit are violent crimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 11:44 AM
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I would never marry anyone that was not already dating me before I became successful. So no marriage for me. The only one that deserves the legal right to take half of everything I have and half of everything I will ever make is one that helps to build it. How can one be successful carrier wise, but not even know that prenups exist? You must work a very weird job sir. One where basic knowledge of the world isn’t required at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 11:23 AM
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That is obviously wrong. No father can be forced to endanger their own life for their children. But women can be forced to do that. But yeah there are probably more laws which discriminate against men than against women nowadays. But abortion rights is a pretty big one compared to lets say exhibitionism.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 10:04 AM
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Ok, so we do all agree that women are more shallow than men when it comes to dating? Men don’t care about the financial situation of their partners. But for women it‘s "obvious“ that they do…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 09:27 AM
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The lawyer- waiter example is a bit silly. The waiter can’t just ask out every girl he finds attractive while working. He’d be fired rather quickly. But in general you’re completely correct. Exposure is the most important thing. That’s why i don’t consider me to be involuntarily celibate. Because even tho i am celibate and sometimes pity myself a bit for it, i know that i can’t complain in any way before not changing my ways to get much more exposure. But i don’t really wanna do that, so i can’t…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 04:35 PM
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There are almost none female virgins at a certain age and still some male virgins. So i think it is kinda fair to make this comparison. In my personal experience this is pretty fitting. Many women who are single later in life had relationships, they often even have kids. There exist almost no women who’s still a virgin at 50 yo. Maybe their relationships wasn’t the most fun of times, true. That might often be the reason, why they chose to be single now. But women are almost never completely isol…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 04:18 PM
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I think this post is kinda funny. Your arguments are all over the place. I still don’t know what the PPD paradox is. You mentioned that only people who are non- conforming to the gender roles come here, yet you are here and a bunch of red pilled men and women too. You then shift to anecdotal evidence and use anectodal evidence to show how bad anecdotal evidence is… Let me get some points straight: Women are not only going for tall guys By far not all women are hypergamous The average young men i…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 08:17 AM
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I honestly gotta say this example with asian girls got me thinking. I am not too fond of passport bros, since i think many of them are rather shallow. I have the picture in my head of a dude who’s satisfied as long as he can fuck even tho he might not be able to communicate with his gf without a translator. But the comparison to japanese girls idolising caucasian men is pretty spot on. There is also a big language barrier and the reasons are purely superficial. And i fully agree that this gets f…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 02:26 PM
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Maybe this advice helps someone out there, but i guess it’s very bad advice for most people. You gotta like to have sex very much in order to prefer having sex with a 300 lbs women over not having sex at all. I know i’d prefer the later. And i guess i am not alone with that. So if you say “see what you’re missing out on”, there is really not much to see in this case. This might even traumatise you in a way that it gets harder to actually attract someone you like as well. I am not a virgin, but a…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 01:25 PM
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This analogy doesn’t make much sense in my eyes. If women date on normal difficulty and men are dating on veteran level difficulty, who’s dating on recruit difficulty? This analogy would make more sense if you’d just say more women than men date on recruit difficulty. If you’re an attractive young woman, dating is pretty easy for you. Same goes if you’re an attractive high status men in their 30s. There are just less men that are desirable for basically every woman than there are woman who are d…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 11:27 AM
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Well i’d say if a woman is mainly concerned to have good sex she should just be with a toxic guy that slaps her around and shit. If sexual domination is what you seek, go for it. I draw the line when they later bemoan how terrible all men are despite explicitly only dating toxic dudes. The men you chose because he dominates you sexually, started to dominate you interpersonally? Who could see that coming? Right all men are terrible assholes. Because those dudes who don’t slap you around during se…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 11:07 AM
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Not only men wanna normalise this tho. I myself had quite some situations where women said i was wrong for criticising some girl for dating a significantly older guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 10:27 AM
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from a rational perspective: money is someone’s attribute just as much as beauty is I disagree. An attribute is something about the person. Not about what you get from that person. Being “hardworking, smart, ambitious” are attributes that purely define the other person. Not what you are getting from them. And if you say now that you can assume those attributes from what you’re getting from a person, you’re selling yourself as stupid (this is not about you, just in general). Dating a person is ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 07:22 PM
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Yeah i think this perspective is valid. But it has a few implications. If we say this is the actual reason why some young women date older men, it should be absolutely no problem to say “young women shouldn’t date significantly older men”. But this statement gets much resentment from my perspective. Like “you have absolutely no say in whom a woman should or shouldn’t date”. But this should actually be seen just as constructive advice. Same goes for “men shouldn’t date significantly younger women…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 06:44 PM
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first of all, tone it down. we’re not talking about me here You’re right, sorry. I got kinda triggered. I am strongly convinced that dating for looks is not “the same thing” as dating for monetary gains. If someone would argue that dating for looks is the same thing as dating for character, i tend to disagree as well but i wouldn’t get triggered at all. I would say young people tend to date for looks more often and as people get older they tend to prioritise a matching character in a partner. So…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 06:26 PM
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Girl if you want a good lifestyle, go study and get a job, but don’t just fuck someone who can provide that. I often hear “women need no men no more” but it seems like quite some of you do, to achieve their desired life style.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 02:29 PM
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Ok so being a prostitute is fine but liking younger women not. I don’t get it. Also please let go of the hypergamy thing As i said research clearly shows that woman are much more concerned with earnings potential and social status in a partner than men. So no, not everyone wants a billionaire Chad/Stacy. That’s clearly something wimen want much more often. And i think they should be critiqued for that. If you want to buy nice things, go fucking work.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 01:07 PM
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it would make sense to shame them equally if it was a symmetrical power dynamic, but its not, its asymmetrical so obviously the one with more power gets shamed more Nah. If you’re voluntarily putting yourself into an asymmetrical power dynamic as the underdog, that’s totally on you. People should be shamed for that. do you also believe we should critique men for being aesthetically hypergamous? surely if we shame people for being after money we should also shame them for being obsessed with look…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 12:57 PM
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You are far gone. And probably quite misandrist. Let me break it to you. Most sexually inactive men neither watch porn 24/7 nor do they only think about their penises. If you think that, you’re dumb, sorry to be so blunt. Many sexually inactive men do indeed have uncommon interests and hobbys. You rant about sexually inactive men allegedly ranting about having no sex for hours on end, but you yourself are on a gender forum subreddit and make extremly bad takes. So please stop thinking about your…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 11:12 AM
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Only ever men cared about being a virgin. OP is full of wisdom…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 11:01 AM
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I gotta say idk about the race thing. But in general i agree. Men oftentimes get shamed for wanting younger partners. If a 30 yo men gets with a 20 yo women, it’s common critique that he just wants a fuck doll. But the women doesn’t get critiqued for wanting to be the fuck doll. Why not? Why is it bad to want a fuck doll but ok to wanna be a fuck doll? That seems off to me. I honestly think we should shame all people who willingly get into relationships with asymmetric power dynamics. Another po…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 10:59 AM
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More men are single because they lack skills and drive to get a partner paired with the fact that women need men less and less. Saying “more men are single because women don’t need men anymore” doesn’t really make sense. Economic independence doesn’t stop most women from wanting relationships, many still actively seek one. So using “women don’t need men” as the explanation ignores the fact that desire and dependence aren’t the same thing. If women still want partners, then the real question can’…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 11:52 AM
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If those standards make it impossible for you to find someone to fuck with, that is certainly a you problem. But it’s much more probable, that you are just quite unreflected and have no idea what your standards really are. It is quite probable, that the word “natural” does very heavy lifting here. Like, “everything i like is natural, so a guy basically just has to be natural”. Other people may define the word natural completely differently than you. There’s literally no way you’ll come across so…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 08:58 AM
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Well i guess you think you’re pretty special right? So why shouldn’t others think so of themselves as well? Maybe you actually didn’t date the Brad Pitt’s and Henry Cavill’s of this world but just have the subjective opinion that everyone you dated was hot af. It’s of course wrong to slut shame someone for having a relationship (or in general), but it’s also pretty weird to showcase your superiority complex like that. People like you oftentimes become very miserable when their looks fade away an…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 08:39 AM
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You know what else is misogynistic? Shoes You gotta expand on that one. If you’d expected me to get what you’re saying there, i gotta disappoint you. yeah, men like to shift the topic. That doesn't mean that other men are fluffy bunnies, that means they don't have necessary access. So if the topic is how men violate women, i am shifting the topic by pointing out wich group violates women most often? I don’t think so tbh. And it’s certainly not only about “access”. “Access” does matter in the sen…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 02:36 PM
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So if “all women chase chad” doesn’t harm anyone it is actually not misogynistic? I guess among feminists you’re pretty lonely with this opinion. And i agree with most feminists, that it is a misogynistic statement. That’s because some spark of truth gets turned into an intentionally misleading hyperbolic generalisation. The same thing is true for the men bear thing. If you want to communicate that women do have a rational fear of men, nobody forces you to make an hyperbolic generalisation about…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 01:30 PM
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Saying this is a cry for understanding is like saying “all women chase chad” is just a cry for understanding. But in fact both are harmful generalisations. If you’re not able to cry for help without insulting anyone, that’s on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 01:04 PM
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Nice to see that there are women who agree that the men- bear- thing is perfectly comparable to misogynistic red pill generalisations. Unfortunately i see that extremely seldomly.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 12:55 PM
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This meme was the reason i stopped calling myself a feminist. It’s just so ridiculously stupid that it honestly enrages me. The notion that the average men is more dangerous than the average wild bear is just beyond stupid. Women easily meet over 10.000 men in their lifetime. And many women die of natural causes. I never heard of someone who met 10.000 wild bears and died of natural causes. The typical counter argument is: “Well we’re speaking of men in the woods. They’re creepy af”, which just …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 12:53 PM
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You are arguing in such bad faith here it’s actually insane. No one but you is saying “all women are sluts/stupid” you are the only person throwing this shit around. Mandatory test of course wouldn’t show that all women are unfaithful, because let me break it to you, most aren’t. But mandatory test would be a way to detect that a child is not yours even tho you might have had no suspicions at all. And then it’s just fair that the men can choose how to handle it. Mandatory tests would be good for…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 10:30 AM
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I'm unsure what you're thinking is neglect. Women opting out of taking up men's issues isn't neglect. We have no obligation to take these things on. Y'all aren't even oppressed. Some of y'all just don't have the courage to push back against these gender roles of patriarchy. And it isn't up to women to give you a back bone. This is just provocation, nothing more. Even the way you’re wording it shows that provocation is your only goal and finding solutions means nothing to you. Imma show you how t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 02:27 PM
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Feminists have spent a VERY long time without any men at the table, and with a fair amount of bitterness at their absence. Why should feminism entertain men now? Sou you know it would be better if men would participate, but now you don’t want it anymore, because men waited too long? So it’s just out of principle? I wouldn’t even agree with your premise. I think men are involved in establishing feminist ideals for a long time now. All the laws that got changed wouldn’t have been changed if men co…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 02:11 PM
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I’d say mutual interest is kinda required for two people going on a date. If one has no interest in the other person one should just decline the offer. In my eyes it’s dishonest to agree on going on a date if one has no interest in the other person.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 01:15 PM
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This comment makes me sad. So the mens rights movement is riddled with misogynists? Well can you really critique that, when considerable parts of feminism are riddled with misandrists? That is because of the bipartisan approach. If there would be one big movement where men and women unite to work towards gender equality, this would lower the number of misogynists and misandrists among progressive people considerably. And let’s be real. It is very easy for you right now to claim the work of other…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 01:03 PM
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I my eyes this take is quite naive. Because if you say men are on their own to fix their problems you 1. neglect that the support of men was important to achieve feminist goals and 2. more importantly you will then also have no say in how men do this exactly. MGTOW did literally exactly that. Not fulfilling classical gender roles is central for the narrative of MGTOW. And yet feminists and supporters of MGTOW hate each other. This is because MGTOW frames itself as a movement that’s necessary cau…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 12:40 PM
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I absolutely agree that abortion should be legalised. I disagree that abortion not being legalised means that women are considered less valuable than cell clumps. I live in a country where abortion is technically illegal but there is a law which prohibits its prosecution, so every women who wants an abortion (and can pay for it) can have an abortion in germany. We also have universal health care, so it is a big point that women have to pay for it by themselves. And i’m advocating for changing th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 12:09 AM
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But seriously comparing Manspreading to male suicide? That's like apples and hand grenades I didn’t want to say it is necessarily a useful comparison in and of itself. Of course the severity is not comparable at all. And everyone but straight up misandrists would agree with that. But it is a comparison that is relevant for understanding how men perceive feminism. It is about this huge imbalance, that feminists even talk about stuff like men’s spreading and what should be done about that, but not…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 11:30 PM
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I agree that it should be that way. But it obviously isn’t, when men are labeled just as ally’s and not as equal members of the movement. An ally may not define your own narrative. An ally supports you if your interests overlap. Try posting on r/AskFeminists that feminism should focus more heavily on male issues and the post will probably be blocked. Maybe not, but most people there will disagree and call you antagonistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 10:49 PM
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Alright i gotta surrender. If you don’t agree that curing cancer and curing diabetes is completely unrelated and gender problems are not i can’t say anything that might change your mind. And if you say the provider- caretaker asymmetry is as unrelated as finding a cancer- or- diabetes cure, i actually think i’m wasting my time here, with someone who argues in bad faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 10:40 PM
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Those aren't "different problems." They are related, which is why shelters separate by species and don't house cats alongside dogs. They are kept in completely separate areas where there's no chance of interaction and they won't see each other. I don’t understand what you wanna say. It is very obvious that if you achieved “no street dogs” you haven’t achieved “no street cats” automatically. That is obviously not the case. Same for cancer and diabetes. Having a cure for cancer wont magically heal…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 10:27 PM
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I could come up with some concrete examples sure, but i think it’s more useful to answer that more abstractly. Since single examples could seem not quite as important. Right now many feminists state that the goal of feminism is gender equality. But the actual actions feminists take almost exclusively focus on how to improve the situation for women. And this is understandable. This is the historic goal of feminism so i don’t critique this approach in general. If there is significant inequality yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 10:11 PM
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I agree that the standards feminism achieved in western societies must be uphold and defended. But as i said in the OP, the main question changes from “how do we achieve this” to “how do we keep it as the status quo” (of course there are also some problems left that still need to be solved, this is about the greater picture). And i think to really establish gender equality as a societal norm that is (almost) impenetrable, it has to become a movement for everyone. That’s why democracy is such a s…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 09:41 PM
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If you put cats into the dog shelter, do you think they won't "affect each other in any significant way?" If you put dogs into the cat shelter, do you think they won't "affect each other in any significant way?” As i said. It’s not about two different problems. It’s about one problem, namely gender equality. Feminism isn't about "gender equality," it's about advocacy for the rights and needs of females. Egalitarians have corrupted the message but they are wrong. It's not about advocating for men…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 09:21 PM
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You summed that up very well. And yes exactly what you’ve described happens to me quite often. Feminists tend to say: “well if you really want gender equality, then you’re a feminist”. But i think what makes this argument very weak, is that big parts of feminism see male allyship as the only acceptable way for men to partake in feminism. As the “oppressive gender” men are just not allowed to shape the narrative in a way women can. And therefore i am obviously not a feminist in the sense that i a…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 09:12 PM
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Alright, imma engage with your direct line of argumentation then, but i gotta warn you it will be a little bit condescending, because in my eyes you made a very obvious error in your argumentation. You definitely can open a cat shelter without opening a dog shelter at the same time. And yes you can engage in cancer awareness without having to focus on every other disease. But achieving “no street dogs” or “no street cats”, can be seen as entirely different problems wich do not affect each other …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 09:02 PM
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Yes, but this should change the perspective and the way one operates. It is no longer a viable solution to treat men as only just ally’s. If you really want a new status quo, that doesn’t get vilified but accepted by basically everyone, you need a movement that gives everyone the same voice. Otherwise it is set in stone, that the movement that claims to have the only viable answers gets part of an oppressive structure itself. And everyone who gets excluded from having opinions that matter, has a…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 08:41 PM
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Close one. It’s translated with Deep- L.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 08:30 PM
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Yeah as a leftist men you’re pretty much alone with the opinion that men shouldn’t pay for both. I mean sure there are liberal women who support this notion too, but there are also self proclaimed feminists who argue men should pay for both. I’ve heard the most ridiculous of arguments from feminist when it comes to this topic. Some argue that they spend so much on make up and their appearance in general, that it’s only fair if men pay for the date. I mean this arguments can easily be shut down b…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 07:08 PM
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So it is true that women have all the leverage? Because otherwise women would compete with the “quality of life of being single” as well right?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 12:54 PM
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Do i get this right that cold approaches are only bad if they come from men? You just mentioned the unwillingness of women to just approach someone, but not that it’s of course inappropriate as well if you ban all cold approaches.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 12:48 PM
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but at least in academic debate favoring neutrality would weaken your case? Absolutely not. In academic work, neutrality doesn’t weaken your argument, it legitimizes it. Being academic means you don’t start by taking a normative stance. You don’t argue for a preferred outcome; you evaluate what the evidence supports. Normative claims can be discussed, but they must follow from empirical data or rigorous reasoning, not preference. So an academic approach isn’t about “arguing for one side.” It’s a…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 01:31 PM
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A six pack with 20% body fat is most certainly not possible. For a six pack you gotta be below 15%, some people gotta be below 10% to have visible abs.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 12:33 PM
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And I don’t know where we’re getting this belief that men don’t also fuck around in their youth and then try to settle down later in life Let me enlighten you. There are considerably more men than women who don’t do that. In the age category 22-34 13% of women say they haven’t had sex in the last year and 24% of men. So while it’s of course false to say men wouldn’t do that at all, it is well documented, that women engage more in fucking around in their 20s . The single biggest reason for that p…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 11:33 AM
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Yeah ok but that seems more like overestimating your ability to fight rather than overestimating your physical strength. I think basically every men has a pretty good idea that they’re stronger than 95+ percent of women (similar age) and could rank their physical strength in a set of men pretty accurately just by looking at the other men. But i agree, when it comes to fighting, many men tend to overestimate their abilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 10:51 PM
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I’d say the average person has a pretty good clue, since the average person is about 50% male.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 10:36 PM
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I just know it for a fact that when you see men say they’re into these kinds of women, he is 100% capping. Often these girls are for only short term fun Right, because no men ever was into short term fun. Never happened and will never happen. In fact all men do, is fantasising about getting married all day long.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 09:21 PM
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I think it is totally fine for feminists to uphold that gender norm. But the moment you say you’re a radical feminist (aka gender abolitionist) and uphold this gender norm you’re making a laughing stock out of yourself. You can’t argue for just abolishing the gender norms you happen to dislike. That is intellectual surrender. But for all “non- radical” feminists i can’t detect any hypocrisy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 09:11 PM
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Yeah i think it’s really telling to constantly tell everyone that you don’t need a men. Like of course you don’t. Nobody needs a romantic relationship. It’s not required for literally anything. So it feels like they’re trying to convince themselves of something. Since we established that nobody needs a romantic relationship, it becomes obvious that the real question is: “do you want a romantic relationship?”. So it would make much more sense to go around and tell people that you don’t want a rom…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 09:00 PM
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So basically the tables have turned and men don't like it. Sure, why would they like it? Especially since many women say they’re advocating for equality not turning the tables in their favour. This seems like only abusing the idea of gender equality to get more power.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 01:31 PM
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